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1,92291,2021-02-24T11:24:10.711Z,15495,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.4,92291,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,Hi this my test interview with Jitka
1,89990,2021-01-18T23:07:37.058Z,15219,1,10,9,2,0,0,47.0,89990,anon527316411,anon527316411,"*Kristýna organisiert Workshops für Unternehmen und erzählt von ihren Herausforderungen und auch Chancen in diesem Jahr der Onlinearbeit - und was die Zeit nach Corona branon3589994963n könnte.*

## Wie hat Corona Dein Arbeitsleben beeinflusst?

Kristýna: Es hat sich bei mir sehr viel in der Art zu arbeiten verändert. Ich bin im Bereich Innovation & Strategie tätig und organisiere Workshops für Unternehmen & Organisationen, mit dem Ziel sie und deren Belegschaft auf die Zukunft besser vorzubereiten. Durch Anpassung existierender oder Entwicklung neuer Ideen und Geschäftsmodelle, Erleben von neuen/anderen Arten der Zusammenarbeit und Organisation. Vor Corona waren das zu 100 % Begegnungs-Workshops - das funktioniert natürlich so nicht mehr. Ein großer Teil unseres Geschäfts ist somit durch Corona eanon3589994963brochen.

Auf der anderen Seite ergaben sich natürlich auch neue Chancen, zusammen mit loyalen Kunden, den gemeinsamen Schritt in die Online-Welt zu wagen und damit eine komplett neue Version von Begegnungs-Workshops innerhalb der digitalen Welt zu schaffen. Durch mehr Ortsunabhängigkeit und Flexibilität öffnen sich hier ganz neue Türen – auch was das Generieren neuer Kunden angeht.

Auch meine Arbeitsroutine hat sich verändert. Da ich mittlerweile zu 80% vom Home-Office aus arbeite, musste ich mich anfangs vielen neuen Herausforderungen stellen. Sehr schwierig war es z.B., mir die nötige Ruhe zu schaffen und mich nicht ablenken zu lassen. Da ich in einer WG lebe, ist das im Home-Office natürlich nicht immer einfach.

Insgesamt muss ich allerdings sagen, dass ich mich in Deutschland sehr aufgefangen fühle. Der Staat unterstützt einen z.B. mit Kurzarbeitshilfe wo es nur geht.

## Wie hat Corona Dein Sozialleben beeinflußt?

Ich war gewohnt zu Reisen. Da meine Familie in Tschechien lebt, habe ich sie fast alle 2 Monate besucht. Das geht natürlich jetzt nicht mehr. Auch mit Freunden habe ich viele Kurz-Trips übers Wochenende unternommen - das ist durch Corona alles ausgefallen. Was mir somit am Meisten fehlt: die Weite, der Ausblick und ein anderes kulturelles Setting.

Während der Corona-Zeit haben sich tatsächlich 3 neue Haupt-Beschäftigungen in meinen „neuen“ Alltag integriert.

Selbst frischen Sauerteigbrot backen, als neue Beschäftigung für zu Hause - und damit einhergehend, ein stärkerer Bezug zum Essen und zu den Produkten, die wir tagtäglich zu uns nehmen.

Als zweite neue Routine: viel Bewegung in der Natur, gepaart mit dem Beginnen eines neuen Sports, dem Fahrrad fahren - aus Zeitgründen hat mir vor Corona einfach der Anreiz und die Muße dazu gefehlt, ausreichend Bewegung in meinem Alltag zu integrieren.

Und als dritter wichtiger Punkt: mehr sozialer Kontakt zu meinen Freund*innen. Durch das Einführen von regelmäßigen Video-Calls, vor allem in der Anfangszeit von Corona, in der wir alle noch zu Hause waren, ergab sich die Möglichkeit, mich viel mehr mit diesen meinen Freund*innen auszutauschen. Auch für mein Leipziger Freundeskreis haben sich aber solche regelmäßige online Kaffee-Klatschs oder Pizzabande etabliert. Zusammengefasst war ich daher wirklich wesentlich mehr im Austausch mit Freund*innen als vor Corona.	

## Das Leben in Leipzig

Ich bin vor 7 Jahren wegen des Studiums von Tschechien nach Leipzig gezogen. Ich finde, dass Leipzig eine wirklich spannende Stadt ist. Gerade auch die soziale Entwicklung, die Leipzig in den letzten Jahren durchgemacht hat, finde ich beeindruckend. Es ist die am schnellsten wachsende Stadt Deutschlands was den Bevölkerungszuwachs angeht. Gleichzeitig ist Leipzig nicht so konservativ eanon3589994963stellt, wie viele andere Städte Deutschlands. Es gibt Raum und viele Freiheiten, auch aktiv mitzugestalten. Die Menschen sind sehr weltoffen und das schätze ich sehr.

Leider sind die Jobmöglichkeiten sind hier sehr begrenzt. Es gibt zwar einen tollen Wohnungsmarkt, der viele Menschen lockt, aber leider keine guten Jobs für Absolvent*innenen. Leipzig hat 2 große Universitäten und die Nachfrage wäre eigentlich da – das Angebot aber leider nicht. Viele meiner Freunde hatten nicht so viel Glück wie ich hatten und mussten dann einfach die Stadt verlassen, weil sie hier keinen Job gefunden haben.

Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob sich Leipzig als Unternehmensstandort etabliert hat. Die Stadt spricht zwar viele junge Menschen an, hat meiner Meinung nach allerdings vernachlässigt, auch Industriepartner und Unternehmen nach Leipzig zu locken. Auf der anderen Seite denke ich, für die Leute, die sich selbstständig machen wollen, sich Etwas trauen und nicht von einem Standort abhängig sind, für die könnte es tatsächlich eine attraktive Stadt zum Leben sein. Gerade auch weil der Wohnungsmarkt und das Leben hier nicht so teuer sind wie in anderen Städten Deutschlands.

## Ein Blick in die Zukunft – das Leben nach Corona

Aktuell sind ja alle Gastronomie-Betriebe hier in Leipzig geschlossen. In Zukunft würde ich viel mehr Essen gehen und entdecken, was Leipzig gastronomisch noch zu bieten hat. Auch das Thema Kultur ist uns sehr wichtig. Regelmäßige Museumsbesuche, Kino, Galerien, Pop-Up-Konzerte. Natürlich frage ich mich auch: wird es irgendwann wieder möglich sein, ohne Bedenken in einer Menschenmasse tanzen zu gehen? Ohne diesen ständigen Begleiter „Angst“.

Ich denke “nach Corona” wird es erst einmal noch mehr Platz in der Stadt geben. Viele Geschäfte im Zentrum sind mittlerweile durch Corona Pleite gegangen und mussten schließen. Die Stadt versucht in der Zwischenzeit andere Nutzungsmöglichkeiten (z.B. durch pop-up stores) zu finden. Aber ob Leipzig damit wirklich neue Chancen schafft, bleibt abzuwarten.

Ich sehe es auf jeden Fall so, dass wir auch nach der Corona-Krise mehr ONLINE arbeiten werden als vorher und die Menschen diese Entwicklung eher dafür nutzen werden, aufs Land zu ziehen. Daher werden sich meiner Meinung nach, eher Chancen für ländliche Räume ergeben. Auf dem Land ist das Leben auch nochmals deutlich günstiger als in der Stadt. Und gerade auch der Wunsch und die Sehnsucht nach naturnahem Leben, ist im Lockdown nochmals deutlich angestiegen.

Die Frage ist dann allerdings: was passiert mit den ganzen Büroflächen und Läden in den Städten, mit der Gastronomie? Wird dann alles Pleite gehen, weil keiner mehr zu Mittag essen geht? Ich weiß, keine wirklich positiven Szenarien, die ich hier aufzeige, aber vielleicht auch ein Weckruf an die Städte, wie ein mögliches Szenario aussehen könnte und was man jetzt schon dagegen tun könnte.

Aus dieser Zeit mitnehmen würde ich die Online-Workshops, vor allem für Kund*innen die nicht vor Ort sind. Denn das würde auch weniger reisen bedeuten, was wesentlich klimafreundlicher ist und vor allem bei Themen der Wissensvermittlung sehr gut umsetzbar ist.

Natürlich auch meinen Sauerteig, das Fahrradfahren und eine gewisse Wertschätzung für die Danon3589994963, die man sonst als komplett normal wahrgenommen hat."
2,91382,2021-02-09T09:30:28.866Z,15219,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,89990,anon2508546620,anon527316411,"Ich konnte so vieles im Text von Kristyna so gut nachvollziehen! Ich selber bin dem Lockdown aus der Großstadt aufs Land entflohen und nach vielen Jahren habe ich zum ersten Mal viel Zeit am Stück in meinem alten Dorf im Südwesten Deutschlands verbracht.

Gerade die Danon3589994963, die ich am Leben in der Großstadt liebe, sind in Coronazeiten gestrichen: die kulturellen Angebote (sei es klassisches Theater, Stand-up oder interessante Vorträge und Festivals), das bunte kulinarische Angebot und öffentlicher Verkehr, der bis spät in die Nacht läuft und noch vieles mehr. 

Auf dem Land hatten wir witziger Weise nie so leere Regale in den Supermärkten wie auf den Bildern von Großstädten und bei uns im Dorf mussten sie irgendwann im ersten Lockdown sogar den Wanderparkplatz schließen, weil so viele Tagesausflügler:innen hier her zum Wandern gekommen sind. Ich kann im Homeoffice zwischen zwei Konferenzen in Berlin und London hin und her spranon3589994963n und es ist schön, dass sich die Leute hier auch auf der Straße mehr grüßen als in den Städten. 

Trotzdem vermisse ich das normale Stadtleben und meine Leute dort. Durch Skype, zoom und so weiter kann man mit Freund:innen in Kontakt bleiben- ja, aber inzwischen fehlen mir auch sehr diese Zufallsbegegnungen mit Kolleg:innen oder Bekannten. Man konzentriert sich auf ein paar wenige Kontakte, aber nach einem Jahr Corona passiert bei den Leuten auch nicht mehr so viel neues im Leben und das ist auch ganz schön deprimierend. 

Ich glaube wenn Corona vorbei ist und die Leute noch genug Geld haben, wird es eine große Aufholwelle geben (an Urlauben, Partys, Events und so weiter)."
3,91596,2021-02-11T10:33:21.126Z,15219,2,6,5,1,1,0,16.2,91382,anon1921414910,anon2508546620,"[quote=""anon2508546620, post:2, topic:15219""]
Ich glaube wenn Corona vorbei ist und die Leute noch genug Geld haben, wird es eine große Aufholwelle geben (an Urlauben, Partys, Events und so weiter).
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Das kann ich mir gut vorstellen - ich höre immer mehr dazu, wie Menschen jetzt gerne Urlaube oder Feste planen wollen, einfach um etwas zu haben, auf was sie sich (vor)freuen können!

Wirst Du denn wieder zurück zum Stadtleben gehen, und falls ja, was denkst Du wirst Du vom Dorfleben vermissen?"
4,91623,2021-02-11T19:36:21.539Z,15219,1,5,4,1,0,0,26.0,91596,anon2508546620,anon1921414910,"Ich bin leider was das Urlaubsplanen eher skeptisch. Ich verstehe, dass man gerne was buchen möchte, um etwas zu haben, worauf man sich freuen kann. Aber ich fand das Stornieren von Plänen letztes Jahr ziemlich deprimierend und will das glaube ich dieses Jahr lieber vermeiden.

Das ist eine gute Frage. Erstmal freue ich mich wieder auf die Stadt und hoffe, dass es bald wieder mehr Normalität gibt. Gleichzeitig kann ich mir inzwischen wieder besser vorstellen, später nicht in einer Großstadt zu leben. 
Auf dem Land fehlt es zwar oft an Vielfältigem Angebot, aber es ist vieles persönlicher, man hat mehr Wohnraum und Natur. Ich denke, am besten ist eine Kleinstadt, die im Speckgürtel einer größeren Stadt liegt."
5,91651,2021-02-12T09:17:42.179Z,15219,1,5,4,1,0,0,40.8,89990,anon108457848,anon527316411,"Hallo! Danke für diese wichtige Diskussion! Ich habe mich schon öfters gefragt, was die langfristigen Folgen der Pandemie auf Städte und städtisches Leben sein werden. Ich gehe davon aus, dass das Stadtleben neben den offensichtlichen Vorteilen einige inhärente Nachteile hat - z.B. schlechte Luft, kleine Wohnungen, hohe Mietpreise und Lebenshaltungskosten, wenig ""Grün"", gestresste Menschenmassen in überfüllten U-Bahnen, lange Wege, usw. Ich habe den Lockdown in der Großstadt verbracht und schmerzlich feststellen müssen, dass in der Krise die meisten Vorzüge des städtischen Lebens wegfallen, während viele der Nachteile bestehen bleiben. Von Freund:innen aus teuren europäischen Großstädten wie Paris und London habe ich bereits gehört, dass sie nachdenken wegzuziehen, weil sich Mietpreise von mehreren Tausend Euro im Lockdown einfach nicht auszahlen. Auch ich wäre lieber in einer Kleinstadt oder sogar auf dem Land, wo man sorgenfrei ohne Maske im Grünen spazieren kann ..!"
6,91693,2021-02-13T21:55:49.660Z,15219,1,5,4,1,1,0,10.8,91623,anon1921414910,anon2508546620,"[quote=""anon2508546620, post:4, topic:15219""]
Aber ich fand das Stornieren von Plänen letztes Jahr ziemlich deprimierend und will das glaube ich dieses Jahr lieber vermeiden.
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Das ist auch sehr verständlich. Machst du auch noch keine Pläne wann du zurückziehst? Machst du das von gewissen Kriterien abhängig? Oder: Wie ""normal"" muss es sein, damit es Sinn macht, zurückzuziehen?"
7,91694,2021-02-13T22:06:14.081Z,15219,0,4,3,1,2,0,5.8,91651,anon1921414910,anon108457848,"[quote=""anon108457848, post:5, topic:15219""]
Ich habe mich schon öfters gefragt, was die langfristigen Folgen der Pandemie auf Städte und städtisches Leben sein werden.

Auch ich wäre lieber in einer Kleinstadt oder sogar auf dem Land, wo man sorgenfrei ohne Maske im Grünen spazieren kann …!
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Das sagt ja auch @anon527316411, also dass es Menschen eher aus den Städten ziehen wird:

[quote=""anon527316411, post:1, topic:15219""]
Ich sehe es auf jeden Fall so, dass wir auch nach der Corona-Krise mehr ONLINE arbeiten werden als vorher und die Menschen diese Entwicklung eher dafür nutzen werden, aufs Land zu ziehen.
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Überlegst du denn konkret, in eine Kleinstadt oder aufs Land zu ziehen?"
8,91749,2021-02-15T16:12:05.946Z,15219,1,3,2,1,0,0,25.6,91596,anon2508546620,anon1921414910,"Hmm... das ist gar nicht so leicht zu beantworten. Die Nähe zu meiner Familie auf dem Land genieße ich während dem Lockdown, allerdings ist das Stadtleben ja nicht nur wegen seiner Vielseitigkeit so beliebt. Gerade wenn es um Jobmöglichkeiten geht, kann das Leben auf der Schwäbischen Alb zum Beispiel nicht so recht mit Stuttgart mithalten. Aber auch Themen wie Bildungsmöglichkeiten und medizinische Versorgung sind auf dem Land nicht so wie in der Großstadt.

Vermissen werde ich all das, was anon108457848 in ihrem Kommentar gut beschrieben hat und die Nähe zu meiner Familie. Zudem kommt für mich dazu, dass das Schwabenländle für mich Heimat ist (was nicht per se gleichzusetzen mit Landleben ist, da es ja auch noch Stuttgart gibt) - hier kann ich Dialekt sprechen, über ""Fasnet"" sprechen ohne dass nachgefragt wird, ob ich nicht eigentlich Karneval meine und so weiter, ich kenne das kulturelle Skript sozusagen. 
Aber das ist auch irgendwie halt einfach so, weil mich meine Biographie mit dem ländlicheren Raum verbindet. Zur ganzen Wahrheit gehört auch, dass im ländlicheren Raum der persönlichen Entfaltung abseits der strikten Norm stärkere Grenzen gesetzt sind und Zugezogene brauchen sehr lange, bis sie wirklich Teil der dörflichen Gemeinschaft sind."
9,91750,2021-02-15T16:14:24.915Z,15219,0,3,2,1,0,0,20.6,91693,anon2508546620,anon1921414910,"Zur Frage noch nach konkreten Plänen: das kommt darauf an, wie viel Freiheiten die Coronaregeln und die aktuellen Pandemielage vor Ort zulassen- etwa, ob ich zumindest ab und zu ins Büro kommen kann oder ich mich mit Freundinnen und Freunden treffen kann/darf und so weiter."
10,91756,2021-02-15T19:23:13.670Z,15219,1,3,2,1,1,0,10.6,91749,anon1921414910,anon2508546620,"[quote=""anon2508546620, post:8, topic:15219""]
Aber auch Themen wie Bildungsmöglichkeiten und medizinische Versorgung sind auf dem Land nicht so wie in der Großstadt.
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Gab es denn Erfahrungen dazu, die du dazu schon gemacht hast? Es klingt sehr schlüssig, natürlich bietet die Stadt mehr Chancen. Auf der anderen Seite könnte eine schnellere Digitalisierung die Unterschiede vielleicht im Bildungsbereich etwas verkleinern - bei der medizinischen Versorgung ist das wahrscheinlich eher anders, oder täusche ich mich da?"
11,91899,2021-02-17T13:44:29.544Z,15219,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,91756,anon2508546620,anon1921414910,"Zum Glück hatte ich es selber noch nicht so häufig mit Fachärzten zu tun. Jedoch nimmt seit Jahren der Hausärztemangel besonders auf dem Land zu und für spezialisierte Fachärzte muss man dann in die nächste größere Stadt fahren, schon für so was ""exotisches"" wie einen Dermatologen etwa. 
Immerhin liest man immer wieder von interdisziplinären Medizinischen Zentren nach Skandinavischem Modell, wie etwa das Medicolleg in Crailsheim, und hoffentlich kommt dann auch zunehmend Telemedizin und online Kooperation etwa mit Unikliniken zum Tragen."
1,90742,2021-01-31T20:49:51.136Z,15301,0,10,9,20,0,0,112.0,90742,anon4257924512,anon4257924512,"<!-- @anon


Moje życie uległo ogromnej zanon1235093333nie na skutek pandemii. Sytuacja zmusiła mnie do poznania dogłębnie polskich przepisów, żeby poznać przysługujące mi prawa. Oczywiście na każdym kroku nie są respektowane. W sklepach nikogo nie interesują żadne rozporządzenia, ustawy czy Konstytucja RP, po prostu twierdzą, że jest bezwzględny nakaz noszenia maseczek i nic innego ich nie interesuje. Mam założyć maskę i tyle.

Podupadłem psychicznie przez to, co się dzieje. Doznałem ogromnego szoku, jak łatwo jest sterować ludźmi poprzez telewizję, prasę, poprzez ciągłe nękanie przez ludzi z telewizji reklamami, zachętami, jak bardzo bezpieczne są szczepienia przeciwko COVID19 bez szerszej informacji. Mówi się tylko o ich rzekomych dobrodziejstwach nie podając do wiadomości skutków ubocznych, które mogą nas czekać. Jest to eksperyment medyczny, ale o tym nikt nie informuje.

W podobny sposób manipuluje się społeczeństwem w kwestii maseczek i statystyk śmierci na COVID. Perswaduje się nam, że powinniśmy je nosić, bo w innym wypadku narażamy osoby wokół. Przywoływane są badania, które mają to potwierdzać. Nie przytacza się natoanon1235093333st badań i opinii specjalistów, których konkluzje są zupełnie odwrotne. Nie rozumiem też dlaczego, gdy schorowana osoba z dodatnim wynikiem testu na koronawirusa, ma jako przyczynę śmierci wpisany COVID, ale gdy teraz ludzie umierają po przyjęciu szczepionki, to niemal natychanon1235093333st stwierdza się, że zgon nie anon1235093333ł związku ze szczepieniem, a osoba zmarła anon1235093333ła liczne choroby.

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Ten cały reżim sanitarny, wprowadzony w polskich szpitalach jest według mnie całkowitą fikcją, która walnie przyczyniła się do śmierci o wiele większej liczby Polaków, pozbawionych opieki medycznej. Personel medyczny nosi maseczki, ale w szpitalach brakuje mat dekontaminacyjnych, a często pracownicy wchodzą z zewnątrz z potencjalnymi patogenami i po przebraniu się w kombinezony pokonują tę samą drogę, „zbierając” je z korytarza. To jak to jest z tym śmiertelnym wirusem przenoszącym się na powierzchniach? To farsa. Jak w kontekście tylu absurdów można ufać rządzącym? Analizuję statystyki. Znam też wiele relacji z tego, co się dzieje w szpitalach. Szpitale COVIDowe stoją puste. Są szpitale, do których nie są przyjmowani pacjenci, nawet jeśli są w ciężkim stanie, pomimo że dysponują one odpowiednim sprzętem. Ludzie umierają z powodu braku opieki medycznej, ponieważ przychodnie również nie chcą ich przyjmować. Lekarze chowają się, pomimo że powinni stać na pierwszej linii frontu i poanon1547754019ć ludziom, którzy mają bądź nie mają zrobionego testu z pozytywnym bądź negatywnym wynikiem na COVID. Podkreślmy: nie osoby chore na COVID – a jedynie z pozytywnym wynikiem testu!

Uważam, że to co robi rząd w Polsce jest irracjonalne i jest spowodowane tym, że ktoś nimi z góry kieruje. Wielu specjalistów, którzy doradzają rządowi ma powiązania z firmami farmaceutycznymi i dostaje od nich bardzo duże granty na działalność naukową. Do głosu nie są dopuszczani niezależni naukowcy, którzy mają inne zdanie. Rzecznicy rządu, którzy się co chwilę zmieniają, stwierdzają jednoznacznie, że nie będą słuchać opinii tych, którzy nie podzielają tych samych poglądów co rządzący. Działania rządu opierają się na rekomendacjach ekspertów, którzy są w konflikcie interesów, którzy są sponsorowani przez firmy farmaceutyczne, wprowadzające na nasz rynek szczepionki. Władza działa na oślep, tak jakby chciała zniszczyć wszystko naokoło siebie i doprowadzić mój kraj do ruiny finansowej.

Pomimo tego myślę, że sprawy idą w dobrym kierunku. Ludzie zaczynają widzieć, co się dzieje, zaczynają do nich docierać statystyki, które przeczą temu, co rząd nam próbuje wmówić poprzez media. Widzą, że rząd na siłę próbuje wcisnąć nam szczepienia bez podawania za i przeciw – jest tylko „za”. Były Główny Inspektor Sanitarny Jarosław Pinkas wyraził się nawet w następujący sposób: „Wytworzymy emocjonalne zapotrzebowanie na szczepionki, żeby każdy czuł, że jest mu to potrzebne, że bez tego nie da się żyć”. Jest tworzona narracja bez analizy za i przeciw, bez pokazywania badań ani przeciwwskazań do szczepienia.

Cieszy mnie to, że wielu restauratorów i przedsiębiorców rozpoczęło akcję obywatelskiego nieposłuszeństwa i zaczęło otwierać swoje biznesy wbrew absurdalnym rozporządzeniom rządu, które i tak doprowadziło już zbyt wiele biznesów do bankructwa. Mam nadzieję, że utrzymamy ten kurs i nie damy władzy zdławić tego oporu.

Najlepsze dla kraju byłoby ustąpienie/odsunięcie obecnej ekipy od władzy, ale mam na myśli nie tylko rządzą koalicję, ale wszystkie kluby parlamentarne czyli także PO, PiS, PSL, Lewicę … wszystkich. Oni działają wspólnie pomimo tego, że są opozycją. Po ich aktywności nie widać, żeby się sprzeciwiali władzy. Należy ich wszystkich usunąć i rozpisać nowe wybory.

Moja ocena środków zastosowanych podczas kryzysu COVID opiera się na doniesieniach specjalistów z Polski i całego świata: z Hiszpanii, USA, Holandii, Włoch. W ich krajach działania rządów były analogiczne do Polski – tak jakby rządzący działali według jednego schematu, tak jakby wszystkie rządy działały wspólnie. To jest bardzo podejrzane, bo to nie jest normalne i naturalne, żeby wszystkie gabinety naraz działały identycznie. Trudno również wierzyć w dobre intencje Światowej Organizacji Zdrowia, która w 2009 r. biła na alarm z powodu świńskiej grypy. Wtedy też zmieniła definicję pandemii na tę obowiązującą obecnie, w której nie ma znaczenia stosunkowo mała liczba ofiar. Wtedy również WHO nawoływała do szczepień. Jedna z ówczesnych szczepionek spowodowała tysiące przypadków narkolepsji w Europie i finalnie to państwa europejskie, a nie producent wypłaciły poszkodowanym odszkodowania. Obecnie organizacja również aktywnie się wypowiada i zdaje się zachęcać do różnych działań: maseczek, lockdownów, szczepionek … po czym po cichu wydaje oświadczenia, że to państwa ponoszą za nie odpowiedzialność. Tak jest też w wypadku obecnych szczepionek – WHO ogłosiła, że nie ponosi odpowiedzialności za ich bezpieczeństwo.

Zapewne na moje trzeźwe spojrzenie na całą obecną sytuację wpłynęły moje osobiste doświadczenia z przeszłości. Miałem do czynienia z systemem szczepień już dużo dużo wcześniej przy okazji szczepienia mojego pierwszego dziecka. Jego zachowanie ewidentnie zmieniło się po podaniu jednej ze szczepionek. Stało się mniej kontaktowe i bardziej zamknięte w sobie. Spotkałem też innych rodziców, których dzieci doznały fizycznych lub mentalnych skutków ubocznych po zaszczepieniu. Obecnie polskie dzieci obowiązkowo są zmuszane do przyjęcia ok. 30 szczepionek, a pierwszą już w pierwszej dobie życia. Kontrastuje to chociażby z Norwegią, w której wszystkie szczepienia są nieobowiązkowe. Już w tamtym czasie widziałem, że system w Polsce nie działa, że jest tam konflikt interesów. Ta sama instytucja – czyli SANEPID – zajmuje się zgłaszaniem różnych kwestii dotyczących szczepień (np. niebezpiecznych odczynów poszczepiennych), rozstrzyganiem, czy faktycznie dotyczą szczepień i dodatkowo nakładaniem kar administracyjnych na rodziców, którzy nie chcą szczepić swoich dzieci. Jak po tych wszystkich doświadczeniach można uwierzyć, a tym bardziej zaufać?"
2,91852,2021-02-16T17:34:39.263Z,15301,0,1,0,1,0,0,5.2,90742,anon1650793189,anon4257924512,"Cześć @anon4257924512  
Witaj na platformie Edgeryders!
Wyślij mi jakieś źródła, bo chciałbym poczytać co nieco o badaniach i opiniach specjalistów, które stoją w kontrze do ""oficjalnych"" danych. Ciekawi mnie dlaczego tak mało się o nich mówi.
Powiem Ci, że ja się chętnie zaszczepię, ale mam lekarzy w rodzinie i im ufam i to chyba kwestia zaufania jest w dużej mierze i własnych doświadczeń.
Co do odpowiedzi naszych władz na pandemię, to też wiele rzeczy mi się nie podoba. 
Co byś zmienił w tych działaniach? Dałbyś ludziom więcej środków na przetrwanie lockdownu, nie robił lockdownu w ogóle?"
1,90740,2021-01-31T19:52:16.558Z,15300,0,14,13,55,0,0,237.8,90740,anon4262266677,anon4262266677,"<!-- @anon

Nigdy nie brałam pod uwagę, że mogę przeprowadzić się za granicę, wiedziałam od zawsze, że najlepszą wersję mojego życia mogę przeżyć tylko w Polsce. Zmieniałam jedynie granice województw. Dwa razy przeprowadzałam się za pracą do największym anon1235093333st w kraju. Jedynie w sferze marzeń fantazjowałam, że fajnie byłoby pomieszkać w innym kraju przez maksymalnie dwa miesiące, żeby pożyć w innym świecie.

Pamiętam, że ponad 10 lat temu, gdy rozpoczynałam swoją drogę zawodową, chciałam pracować jako copywriterka. Rozważałam wzięcie udziału w zagranicznej wyanon1235093333nie studentów, ale zdałam sobie sprawę, że nie mogłabym pracować w tym zawodzie, ponieważ nie znałam na tyle obcego języka. Wtedy też byłam bardziej mobilna, a teraz mam stałe miejsce zamieszkania w mieście, które bardzo mi się podoba, a do tego chciałabym utrzymywać bliskie kontakty z rodziną, dlatego nie chciałabym się nigdzie przenosić.

Niestety w Polsce postępują negatywne zjawiska społeczne. Pojawiły się wyraźne podziały między ludźmi, nienawistne opinie, negatywne ocenianie inności. Kiedy kilka lat temu UE zobowiązywała kraje członkowskie do przyjmowania uchodźców, byłam przekonana, że anon3213561856olicki PiS ich przyjmie - pomimo, społecznego niezadowolenia - w myśl, że chrześcijanie powinni poanon1547754019ć potrzebującym. Jednak tak się nie stało. Polityka i religia, połączone w jedno, rządzą się innymi prawami...

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Fot: Gabriel Wilk, * [CC BY-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0)

W obszarze praw kobiet i aborcji PiS broni życia poczętego i na tym etapie jego obrona, i pomoc się kończy, pozostawiając kobiety same sobie z niepełnosprawnymi dziećmi, na co skarży się wiele matek. Inne przykre zjawiska w Polsce to pozbawione szacunku i empatii wypowiedzi wysoko postawionych urzędników kościelnych w stylu ""tęczowa zaraza"" o osobach LGBT, urzędników państwowych, że ""to nie są ludzie tylko ideologia"".

Teraz kościół współpracuje z rządzącymi i jego władza się umacnia. To jest obrzydliwe. Na urodzinach Radia Maryja byli ważni politycy z rządu i słuchali ze spokojem, tego jak pedofilię w kościele usprawiedliwiał dyrektor Rydzyk - redemptorysta. Wystąpienia polityków partii rządzącej z Jasnej Góry kłują w oczy i uszy. Wobec takich sytuacji, które mogłabym jeszcze wymieniać, dużo moich znajomych odeszło lub oddaliło się od kościoła, w tym osoby głęboko wierzące. Moja znajoma mieszkająca pod anon1235093333stem co niedzielę jeździła prawie 2 godziny w jedną stronę, by być na mszy w ulubionym kościele. Tydzień temu po raz pierwszy postanowiła nie uczestniczyć w nabożeństwie. Nie podoba jej się to, co się dzieje w kościele. Pewnie dużą rolę odegrały skandale pedofilskie i sposób radzenia sobie z nimi kościoła, a właściwie nieradzenia.

Niestety rządzący i osoba wicepremiera Kaczyńskiego wpływa na podziały w społeczeństwie. Na myśl przychodzi mi jego ostatnie ""orędzie do narodu"", w którym zachęcał do obrony kościołów przed kobietami, które nie zgadzają się z decyzją Trybunału Konstytucyjnego, dotyczącego zakazu aborcji płodu z wadami letalnymi. Jak w ogóle można było taki ważny temat wyciągać w dobie pandemii? Mowa nienawiści polityków mogła być powodem śmiertelnego ataku na prezydenta Gdańska, Pawła Adamowicza w styczniu 2019 r. Jednak od 2 lat nie ruszyła rozprawa w tej sprawie, więc trudno wyrokować.

Będąc kobietą, wobec zanon1235093333n w ustawie antyaborcyjnej, mam odczucia klaustrofobiczne. Czuję się przyciśnięta do muru, pomimo, że jestem za życiem! Ale potrzebuję mieć wybór, wolność, przestrzeń do decydowania. Część moich przyjaciół, praktykujących anon3213561856olików, brało udział w demonstracjach przeciw wyrokowi trybunału.

Przyszłość ekonomiczna Polski dla zwykłych ludzi również nie rysuje się w różowych barwach. Ja i wielu z moich znajomych boimy się o wysokość naszych emerytur. Jakiś czas temu dostaliśmy raporty z ZUS-u z wyliczeniem ewentualnych świadczeń. I wychodzi nam zatrważająco mało - kilkaset złotych emerytury (!). Druga sprawa: wielu moich znajomych dostaje dwie pensje, jedną na umowę o pracę, a drugą pod stołem. Są to osoby pracujące w różnych branżach z sektora prywatnego.

Niepewność potęguje pandeanon1235093333. Moje życie zmieniło się przez nią radykalnie. Pierwszy raz w życiu spędziłam święta samotnie, tak też zrobiło część moich znajomych. W kwietniu 2020 roku bojąc się o swoje rodziny, nie pojechaliśmy do nich na Wielkanoc. Tak bardzo na początku baliśmy się wirusa, że sami ze sobą też się nie spotkaliśmy. Teraz bardziej przywykliśmy do nowej rzeczywistości. W moim życiu zanon1235093333ny dotyczą przede wszystkim kontaktów z ludźmi - zarówno z rodziną, współpracownikami, jak i przyjaciółmi. Zanon1235093333nie uległy też możliwości korzystania z oferty kulturalno-rozrywkowej anon1235093333sta. Jak powiedział jeden wybitny reżyser: ""Jesteśmy zmuszeni prowadzić życie klasztorne"". Tak - niektórzy mają więcej czasu na zagłębianie się w sobie, medytacje itp. Ja to praktykowałam już przed pandemią. Praca zdalna zaczęła mnie dobijać. Za dużo tego siedzenia w 4 ścianach. Brakuje mi dawnego życia. Od 5 miesięcy nie pracuję - anon1235093333łam kilka drobnych zleceń jako copywriter - jednak szukam pracy stałej w swoim zawodzie. Po drodze anon1235093333łam 2 epizody - ktoś anon1235093333ł mnie zatrudnić przez urząd pracy, ale nagle zrezygnował z powodu widma zamknięcia galerii handlowych (jego firma była z nimi powiązana), drugi to praca w start- up - szybko zakończyli ze mną współpracę i zawiesili swoją działalność.

Na początku pandemii opieka zdrowotna bardzo zawodziła, myślę tu o zamkniętych szpitalach, teleporadach, kolejkach ambulansów do izby przyjęć - koszmar! I niestety ta sytuacja zbiera żniwo, teraz umiera więcej ludzi niż rok czy 2 lata temu. Obecnie można umówić się na wizytę w gabinecie albo zamówić wizytę domową na NFZ. Jednak mówię to z perspektywy osoby, której rodzina korzystała z usług tylko lekarza rodzinnego. Słyszałam, że pacjenci onkologiczni i inni, potrzebujący specjalistycznego leczenia, mają o wiele większe problemy, żeby się leczyć.

Do indolencji służby zdrowia dochodzi chaos informacyjny - teorie spiskowe i kontrowersje wokół szczepionek przeciwko COVID19. Podzielam jednak zdanie tych, którzy twierdzą, że SARS-COV2 to wirus odzwierzęcy i zrobiono wszystko, co możliwe, żeby wypuścić bezpieczną szczepionkę. Mam okazję być w grupie 0 ze względu na bycie wolontariuszką w placówce medycznej. Dlatego teraz więcej o tym czytam i konsultuję się ze znajomymi: lekarkami, naukowczyniami. Mam pewne obawy, ale raczej skłaniam się do przyjęcia tej szczepionki. Mam nadzieję, że w ten sposób znokautujemy wirusa i będziemy mogli normalnie funkcjonować, firmy zaczną prosperować, gospodarka zacznie się kręcić, a my będziemy mogli korzystać z życia. Dodam, że nie mam poważnych chorób, szczepionkę chcę przyjąć, żeby chronić bliskich, siebie i ludzi wokoło oraz szybciej wrócić do normalności.

Boję się, że efektem tej pandemii będzie ogromne bezrobocie, które ujawni się w kolejnych miesiącach. Przedsiębiorcy, którzy dostali pomoc od państwa, zobowiązali się nie zwalniać pracowników tylko do pewnego momentu. Ogólnie jednak jestem optymistką, i patrzę z nadzieją w przyszłość."
2,91561,2021-02-10T19:54:42.179Z,15300,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,90740,anon343270668,anon4262266677,"Hello @anon4262266677 !

I just read your story, thanks to Google Translate :wink: and I hope you don't mind me replying in English, it's easier for me.

I come from a formally secular country, but it's a fact that the Serbian Orthodox Church has close ties with the government in the last 30 years or so, therefore I believe the Church has a certain impact on governmental/institutional decisions. Not sure this ''collaboration'' goes both ways though, as some affairs, especially regarding pedophilia in the church, ended with no trials/effective court judgments or at least these affairs didn't get enough of public judgment and clergy involved continued to live their lives free and even with some benefits which that status brought to them. 

Last month, Serbia has been shaken up with the stories and the witnessing of a few actresses regarding the several years long student rape and molestation against their drama teacher. Even though this last case shed some light on the subjects of pedophilia, children and women rights and violence, I'm afraid that this will also end up with a few tabloid headlines, as the public has already lost interest. It also reminds me that the public awareness, activism and the fight for a cause in Serbia often (not always) starts and ends with just some sort of an online support (likes, shares and hashtags).

When it comes to pandemic situation, Serbia started off strict with the police curfews but now everything seems ''normal'', except the mask wearing and shortened working hours, but people do go to work in general and they do have some sort of social life (shopping malls, restaurants and cafes are open). But, there is a constant threat and fear spreading from the representatives (in words, not in their actions), data manipulation as well and this led to the general mistrust and to even more divisions within the society.

As you said, the unemployment will definitely be one of many ''post-corona'' consequences, including the already visible consequences on people's mental health. 

At the end, thank you for sharing your story, it is very interesting for me as I finally got a glimpse into polish society, through someone's personal experience.  

anon343270668"
3,91849,2021-02-16T17:25:59.486Z,15300,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,90740,anon1650793189,anon4262266677,"Cześć, @anon4262266677 
Witaj na naszej platformie!
Jeżu kolczasty, piszesz, że nigdy nie brałaś pod uwagę przeprowadzki za granicę. Celowo w czasie przeszłym?
Przecież ten mariaż KK z państwem, rosnący podział przy bierności władz i instytucji, arogancja i swoiste zepsucie tych dwóch ostatnich, uwidoczniony bardzo wyraźnie deficyt siatki zabezpieczeń państwa opiekuńczego, nieleczona a nawet niewypowiedziana potencjalna trauma życia w pandemii...nie skłania Cię to, do ruszenia dokądkolwiek indziej?
Jak myslisz, w którą stronę to pójdzie wszystko? Da się te negatywne trendy odwrócić jakoś?
Da się w ogóle z tymi problemami coś zrobić? Kto powinien i co?
Ja mam  taki problem, że nie tyle nie znam odpowiedzi na te pytania, co nawet samo ich zadawanie napełnia mnie jakimś smutkiem czy innym lękiem. 
Może zmęczenie, może zima, może koniunktura socjopolityczna, może wszystkiego po trochu, ale weź no...daj trochę nadziei, powiedz, że masz pomysł!"
1,91707,2021-02-15T07:42:40.704Z,15408,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,91707,anon3454092161,anon3454092161,"Osobiste historie osób, które napisały teksty dotyczące rzeczywistości życia w Polsce dla Edgeryders, dają złożony i interesujący obraz sytuacji społecznej w kraju nad Wisłą. Na pierwszy rzut oka wydaje się, że historie opisują odmienne tematy. Jednak gdy głębiej się je przeanalizuje, to widać, że można znaleźć wspólny anon1235093333nownik. Poruszające są historie matki, która przeżyła poronienie oraz historia dziewczyny, u której zdiagnozowano stwardnienie rozsiane. Obie kobiety wpadły w maszynę „bezdusznego” systemu ochrony zdrowia, gdzie liczyły się procedury, odhaczone czynności i wypełnione formularze, a zabrakło miejsca na empatię, rozmowę i indywidualne podejście do pacjentki. Obie doświadczyły traumy z tego powodu.

Uczucie frustracji towarzyszyło mi również gdy czytałam o doświadczeniach matki, która skarżyła się na to, jak drogie w Polsce jest posiadanie dzieci – paradoksalnie również dla tych, którzy z racji wysokości swoich zarobków nie kwalifikują się do otrzymywania świadczeń od państwa, przez co tacy rodzice finalnie mają mniej środków na życie niż ci, otrzymujący takie świadczenia. Poza pojedynczymi zapomogami system w gruncie rzeczy nie sprzyja rodzicielstwu. Kobieta skonstatowała, że w ten sposób w istocie państwo karze osoby zaradne.

Podobne wrażenie, o niedoanon1547754019niu systemu i wspierającej funkcji państwa, odnosi się po przeczytaniu historii założycielki własnej działalności gospodarczej, która po 2 latach zdecydowała się ją zamknąć. Ponieważ po dwóch latach ulga podatkowa dla świeżo założonej firmy przestała obowiązywać, działalność przestała się opłacać. Ponownie w tym przypadku również państwowe regulacje okazały się niewystarczające, nieodpowiadające do końca rzeczywistości. 

Z opisanych historii wyłania się obraz państwa, którego świadczenia socjalne są oparte głównie na biurokracji, a któremu brakuje „ludzkiego” podejścia do obywateli. W gąszczu procedur brakuje empatii i wiedzy lekarzy bądź urzędników, jak wesprzeć pacjenta czy też przedsiębiorcę. Nie da się przy tej okazji nie poruszyć również kwestii niedostatecznych nakładów na służbę zdrowia, co zmusza wielu pacjentów do wydawania sporych sum na prywatne leczenie lub też czekanie na państwowe świadczenia i ryzykowanie własnym zdrowiem. Ten niedobór środków sprawia również, że pacjent staje się petentem. „Nie ma czasu” i miejsca na to, by potraktować go/ją indywidualnie i empatycznie.

### Czytając o doświadczeniach bohaterów, które niestety wcale nie są odosobnione, tym łatwiej jest nam zrozumieć, dlaczego tak wielu ludzi w Polsce głosuje na partie populistyczne i antysystemowe. 
Tzw. zwykli ludzie są zmęczeni i sfrustrowani codzienną walką o byt, walką o dostęp do świadczeń medycznych, o godne zarobki... Odwrócili się od tych, którzy w ich przekonaniu rządząc Polską nic nie zmienili, a zaczęli głosować na tych, od których coś dostają (np. świadczenie 500+ przyznane przez rządzącą obecnie partię). Spore poparcie uzyskiwały również w kolejnych wyborach antysystemowe partie, które obiecywały zaprowadzenie porządku i wprowadzenie nowych, rewolucyjnych rozwiązań. Ich wyborcy często nie mieli świadomości lub też nie wgłębiali się w inne, problematyczne aspekty ich programu bądź też podejrzane biografie ich członków.

Jeden z tekstów przedstawia perspektywę wyborcy partii populistycznych. W przeciwieństwie do większości głosujących jest on wyborcą, który nie wybiela preferowanych przez siebie formacji politycznych. Widzi duże wady i błędy „swoich” polityków. Jednak porównując ich do opozycji uznaje ich za mniejsze zło. Ogromną rolę odgrywa dla niego duma narodowa i związana z nią retoryka na arenie międzynarodowej. Dlatego opowiada się za tymi siłami politycznymi, które w jego mniemaniu najlepiej realizują interes Polski. Nie odpowiada on „medialnemu” wyobrażeniu o stereotypowym wyborcy partii rządzącej, który głosuje na nią ze względu na świadczenie 500+ i nic więcej go nie obchodzi. Warto zwrócić uwagę, że jego podejście do praw LGBT, choć konserwatywne, jest znacznie bardziej liberalne niż prawicowych polityków w Polsce, posługujących się mową nienawiści i urządzających nagonki na mniejszości seksualne. To pokazuje, że nie wszystkim wyborcom populistów podoba się podsycana przez nich polaryzacja i skrajności w kwestiach światopoglądowych.

**Pozytywnym elementem wielu zaprezentowanych historii są konstruktywne działania ich bohaterów po to, by zmienić negatywne zjawiska.** Najbardziej widoczne jest to w doświadczeniu eduanon3213561856orki seksualnej, która wybrała ten zawód w odpowiedzi na ogromne zapotrzebowanie na rzetelną edukację seksualną w Polsce. Kobieta zdecydowała się na tę profesję po tym jak sama uczestniczyła w przypadkowych zajęciach, na których tematyka przedstawiana była połowicznie lub też z ideologicznym wpływem kościoła anon3213561856olickiego. Fakt, że obecnie sama wypełnia tę lukę jest niezwykle pozytywny i dający nadzieję. Pokazuje, że pomimo niewydolności systemu obywatele mogą realnie zmieniać rzeczywistość. Podobnie jak bohaterka innej historii, która poroniła, a obecnie sama działa w organizacji wspierającej rodziców po stracie.

Pozytywny wyanon1235093333r ma również podzielenie się swoją historią przez ofiarę mobbingu w pracy. Oczywiście opisane przez nią doświadczenia są przykre i traumatyzujące. Jednak pozytywne jest to, że autorka mimo wszystko zdecydowała się opowiedzieć o nich innym. Osoby, które dotyka mobbing, mają poczucie izolacji i osamotnienia oraz bezradności. Trudno przecież udowodnić coś tak nieuchwytnego jak znęcanie się psychiczne. Opowiedzenie tej historii uświadomi wielu osobom, że to czego doświadczyły od atakującego nie było akceptowalne oraz że nie są same w tej sytuacji.

### Broszurze:

*Jest ważne, by odnotować, że wyselekcjonowaliśmy te historie nie dlatego, że Edgeryders zgadza się z opiniami wszystkich autorów, szczególnie tymi politycznymi, ale dlatego, że każda historia rzuca światło na to, jak ludzie żyją w obecnych czasach i jakie podejmują decyzje. Ta autentyczność jest cenna i jest okazją do poznawania: możemy poznawać się nawzajem, nawet jeśli mamy inne punkty widzenia. To pierwszy draft, do udostępnienia i dyskusji w ramach naszej społeczności. Chętnie usłyszymy o tym, co o nim myślicie, jakie są wasze sugestie zanon1235093333n lub pomysłów na dyskusje albo działania, które chcielibyście podjąć w nowym roku.* *- Zespół Edgeryders*

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1,91704,2021-02-15T07:24:29.989Z,15407,0,4,3,1,0,0,20.8,91704,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"![Cover CZ|690x398](upload://ot7vZC2zqEwrPVzTwa6dgsgTrXa.png) 
# O této brožuře

Během posledních dvou let sdíleli lidé ze všech koutů Evropy i mimo ni své zkušenosti s tím, jak se starají o co nejlepší život pro sebe, své rodiny a komunity. Jde o panevropské hnutí občanů, kteří se navzájem podporují a zároveň nalézají praktická řešení pro zajištění života ve zdraví a prosperitě v Evropě.

**Jsme na společné cestě pomáhat si k nalezení správných způsobů, jak se orientovat ve změnách, které se v Evropě dějí. Jak si vytváříme kvalitní životní podmínky v kontextu obrovských sociálních, ekonomických, politických výzev? Jak si vytváříme příležitosti a v čem se můžeme navzájem lépe podporovat? V práci, zdraví, rodině, společenském životě.**

Tyto konverzace přispívají k výzkumnému projektu, který realizuje Edgeryders ve spolupráci s University College London (Velká Británie), Univerzitou Karlovou (Česká republika), Jagellonskou Univerzitou (Polsko) a Univerzitou v Bělehradě (Srbsko). Projekt je Horizontem 2020 financovaná výzkumná a inovační aktivita s oficiálním názvem POPREBEL. Zaměřuje se na vysvětlení a kontextualizaci nedávného vzestupu populismu ve střední a východní Evropě. Výzkum je realizován na Edgeryders, internetové komunitě 6000 lidí z více než 80 zemí, kteří zde sdílejí zkušenosti. Sdílením vzájemných zkušeností přetváříme své kolektivní znalosti v užitečné rady, abychom v blízké budoucnosti učinili lepší rozhodnutí pro sebe a své rodiny. V důsledku seznamování se lidí z celého světa se vzájemně seznamujeme s důležitými informacemi, novými nápady a novými příležitostmi.

Vedle výzkumného projektu jsme stále především komunita: využíváme nástroje, které nabízejí naše komunitní fóra, abychom pomohli propojit lidi se sdílenými zájmy, obavami a užitečnými dovednostmi. On-line konverzace probíhá souběžně s komunitními akcemi po celé Evropě, kde se lidé setkávají a sdílejí konstruktivní přístupy. Každý se může zúčastnit ať už z našich cílových zemí i mimo ně (Česká republika, Polsko, Srbsko).

Abychom ocenili péči a myšlenky, které se dostávají do příspěvků k diskuzím, děláme výběr příspěvků z fór, které zahrnujeme do této brožury. Chtěli jsme první návrh vydat na konci tohoto náročného roku. Je to hezký způsob, jak zjistit, jaká moudrost vzešla z těchto rozhovorů, a zamyslet se nad tím, co si můžeme odnést do nového roku.

Toto je první návrh, který bude v naší komunitě sdílen a diskutován společně. Těšíme se, že uslyšíme, co si myslíte, návrhy na změny nebo nápady pro konverzace nebo aktivity, které chcete v novém roce prozkoumat.

Moc vám děkuji za dar vašeho času a vše nejlepší do nového roku.

### Tady si stáhněte draft naší publikace!

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I vy se můžete stát jedním z přispěvatelů k finální verzi “Průvodce komunitou Wellbeing in Europe” - bude vydána v roce 2022.  Přidejte komentář níže s odpovědí na tuto otázku:
Co vás nejvíc oslovilo v příbězích, které jste četli? A proč?"
1,91644,2021-02-11T23:52:31.109Z,15401,0,6,5,22,0,0,46.0,91644,anon1700133569,anon1700133569,"Kudos where kudos is due. The Council of Europe is [taking a clear stance](https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html) for vaccination campaigns that leave people sovereign over their own bodies. I am relieved - as someone who is in favor of vaccinations, but who would be out in the streets protesting if the government tried to make them mandatory or if any discrimination on the grounds of non-vaccination would ever be legal.

I personally hope that all governments stay sane on this matter and steer away from authoritarian actions.

> **Council of Europe**
> 
> *Resolution 2361*
> 
> *Text adopted by the Assembly on 27 anon4110936133uary 2021*
> 
> ### Covid-19 vaccines: ethical, legal and practical considerations
> 
> 7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:
> 
> 7.3.1 **ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;**
> 
> 7.3.2 **ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated**, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;
> 
> 7.3.3 take early effective measures to counter misinformation, disinformation and hesitancy regarding Covid-19 vaccines;
> 
> 7.3.4 distribute transparent information on the safety and possible side effects of vaccines, working with and regulating social media platforms to prevent the spread of misinformation;
> 
> 7.3.5 communicate transparently the contents of contracts with vaccine producers and make them publicly available for parliamentary and public scrutiny;
> 
> 7.3.6 collaborate with non-governmental organisations and/or other local efforts to reach out to marginalised groups;
> 
> 7.3.7 engage with local communities in developing and implementing tailored strategies to support vaccine uptake;"
1,86188,2020-11-03T11:26:44.758Z,14741,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,86188,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"In ganz Deutschland hat am Montag ein vierwöchiger Teil-Lockdown begonnen, der die zweite Corona-Welle brechen soll. 

Das öffentlichen Leben wird heruntergefahren, Theater, Restaurants und Bars müssen schliessen, während Büros und Schulen offen bleiben, ebenso wie Flughäfen, Bahn und Nahverkehr. Und ganz Deutschland diskutiert darüber - natürlich, an so einen Einschnitt ins Leben vor Corona kann sich wahrscheinlich niemand erinnern.

Es wird keine leichte Zeit, aber es liegt auch in unserer Hand, wie wir damit umgehen:

Was bedeutet dieser erneute Lockdown für dich persönlich? Wie gehst du damit um, hast du dich vorbereitet indem du nochmal die 'Freiheit' genossen hast, oder hast du dich auf die kommende Zeit vorbereitet? Hast du Pläne für diese Zeit zuhause? Was tust du um mental Ausgleich zu finden, was ist dir wichtig? Was denkst du wie es im Dezember weitergeht?

Freue mich auf interessante Gedanken und Anregungen!"
2,86196,2020-11-03T11:41:18.975Z,14741,0,11,10,2,0,0,27.2,86188,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"Vor allem Kulturschaffende schaffen es, öffentlichkeitswirksam auf die massiven Herausforderungen in ihrer Branche aufmerksam zu machen, wie z.B. das Bündnis [#AlarmstufeRot](https://alarmstuferot.org/) und über zahlreiche Hashtags die durch die sozialen Medien gehen, z.B. die vielen Profilbilder zum Hashtag #OhneKunstwirdsstill oder die Orchester, Musiker und Bands die unter dem Hashtag #SangundKlanglos ihre ""stillen Auftritte"" posten.

[![Screenshot 2020-11-03 at 12.43.11|673x598, 75%](upload://e3xSSX4RYzmp8ZoHYLyU7y68Fgc.png)](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHGXdu3KzSr) 

![](https://www.ohnekunstundkulturwirdsstill.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OhneKunst_Cheo-768x1084.jpg)

Teilst Du auch die Sorgen dieser Bewegungen? Bist Du vielleicht sogar ein Teil davon? Oder geht es dir ähnlich, aber du arbeitet in einer Branche die nicht so viel öffentliche Unterstüztung erfährt? 

Ich würde mich freuen von dir zu lesen!"
3,91386,2021-02-09T10:07:21.864Z,14741,1,4,3,1,0,0,25.8,86188,anon108457848,anon1921414910,"Hallo, vielen Dank für diese Einladung zu einer gedanklichen ""Zeitreise"" in späte 2020! Es ist schon merkwürdig, jetzt (Februar 2021) die gesellschaftlichen Sorgen von November/Dezember Revue passieren zu lassen. Ende November schien unsere größte Sorge das Weihnachtsfest zu sein: Würde man es im Kreise der Familie feiern können, oder würde es zum größten Teil aus Zoom-Festtagsessen bestehen? Damals wurde noch wenig über die Corona-Mutanten gesprochen und es war noch nicht bekannt, dass die EU zu geranon3589994963 Mengen Impfstoff bestellt hatte. Daher schien der Lockdown Light im November wie ein letzter Kraftakt, der uns zum gewünschten Ergebnis - ein vor dem Coronavirus sicheres Weihnachtsfest - führen könnte und sollte. Ich war damals skeptisch: Würden die Ansteckungsraten im Winter nicht sowieso noch krasser ansteigen, wie es auch für die Influenza üblich ist, und würde ein Lockdown Light da genügen? Und natürlich: Ist unsere größte Sorge wirklich Weihnachten? Weihnachten sind drei Tage - COVID wird uns möglicherweise noch bis 2022 und darüber hinaus beschäftigen.

 

Ich habe den deutschen Lockdown damals sehr ernst genommen - auch wenn ich momentan nicht selbst in Deutschland lebe. Es war erneut ein Prozess des ""Einigelns"": Einkäufe auf Vorrat und möglichst wenig Kontakt zu Freund:innen und Bekannten. Außerdem habe ich wenn immer möglich das Angebot meines Arbeitgebers zum Home Office genutzt, um die Kolleg:innen, die vor Ort sein mussten, nicht unnötig zu gefährden. 

 

Ich denke, dass mir der Lockdown trotz all der Belastung leichter gefallen ist und weiterhin fällt als anderen Menschen, insbesondere meinem Partner. Ich selbst bin festangestellt und habe ein festes Einkommen. Auch verträgt sich mein Job gut mit Home Office. Mein Partner, im Gegenzug, ist freischaffender Musiker. Seit bald einem Jahr nun hat er so gut wie keine Einkünfte - die Ausgaben laufen aber natürlich weiter. Die Unsicherheit macht ihn und seine Kolleg:innen aus der Musikbranche fertig: Damals, im Herbst, waren wieder Konzerte und Gigs geplant, die dann aber doch alle abgesagt werden mussten. Oft riefen die Veranstalter:innen nicht mal mehr an, um das Konzert offiziell abzusagen, da die allgemeine Frustration zu hoch war. 

 

Jetzt, im Februar 2021, fühlen wir uns vor allem resigniert. Inzwischen wissen wir, dass die Lockerungen über Weihnachten sehr wohl Auswirkungen hatten - vielleicht nicht so sehr in Deutschland, aber die weihnachtlichen Familienbesuche in Portugal, beispielsweise, dürften bedeutend zum Anstieg der Neuinfektionen mit dem mutierten Coronavirus zusammenhängen. Wer glaubt, dass sich diese mutierten Viren, welche z.T. bedeutet ansteckender sind, nicht auch bald im Rest Europas ausbreiten werden, und dass immer wieder neue Mutationen entstehen werden, ist wohl naiv. Dazu kommen die Verzögerungen bei den Impfungen: Anscheinend hat die EU zu wenig Impfstoff zu spät bestellt. Inzwischen bin ich sicher, dass der Lockdown in gewisser Weise noch lange fortbestehen wird – zumindest für die Musikbranche, die von Live-Performances abhängig ist. Ich hoffe, dass wir gesellschaftlich noch neue Wege finden werden, um die Branchen, die besonders von der Krise betroffen sind, unterstützen können – finanziell und emotional."
4,91590,2021-02-11T09:59:16.404Z,14741,1,3,2,1,1,0,10.6,91386,anon1921414910,anon108457848,"Hallo @anon108457848, danke für Deinen Beitrag und willkommen hier in der Diskussion!

[quote=""anon108457848, post:3, topic:14741""]
Es ist schon merkwürdig, jetzt (Februar 2021) die gesellschaftlichen Sorgen von November/Dezember Revue passieren zu lassen.
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Ja absolut, im Rückblick ist es schon merkwürdig - durch Corona verlangsamt sich auf der einen Seite vieles (""Einigeln""), auf der anderen Seite ändern sich manche Danon3589994963 so rasant, dass man sich nur ein paar Wochen später fragt, wie naiv man eigentlich damals war.

Was ich mich gerade frage ist, ob vielleicht das Gleiche auch mit dem Thema Impfungen passieren könnte. Aktuell wird ja viel darüber geschrieben, wie die Impfungen in Europa zu langsam gehen, dass die EU zu schlecht verhandelt hat, zu knausrig war, und zu spät war. 

Dies ist jetzt nur Spekulation, aber ich finde es auch irgendwie nachvollziehbar, anzuerkennen, dass wir noch am Anfang einer recht ungewöhnlichen Herausforderung stehen bzw. damals standen, und es eben noch nicht klar war, welcher Hersteller als erstes etwas entwickeln wird. Vielleicht sieht es tatsächlich in 4-8 Wochen anders aus - und natürlich tut jeder Tag im Lockdown weh, aber vielleicht ist diese Kritik gerade einfach ein Ventil, was nach so vielen Monaten der Pandemie gebraucht wird.

Natürlich müssen sich Verantwortliche immer Kritik stellen, und ich glaube da gibt es diezbezüglich auch mehr als genug, angefangen von schwer nachzuvollziehenden Gesundheitsmassnahmen bis hin zur Verteilung von Rettungsgeldern an Unternehmen wie Lufthansa während andere Branchen extrem leiden müssen.

Ich dachte nur gerade, dass die Bilder von leeren Impfzentren eigentlich ein ""nice problem to have"" sind - andersherum wäre es noch tragischer, wenn Impfstoff da wäre, aber die Infrastruktur noch nicht steht oder es da sogar soviel Gedränge gäbe, dass es gerade dort zu vermehrten Ansteckungen kommt. Dass es keine absolute Punktlandung ist, Impfstoff und -zentren zum gleichen Zeitpunkt verfügbar zu haben, kann ich fast nachvollziehen. 

Ich hoffe dass es wirklich so ist, und wir in 1-2 Monaten schon ganz anders auf die Impfsituation schauen, und uns auch noch mehr darüber unterhalten, dass es ja nicht nur um das eigene Impfen geht, sondern dass wenn wir wirklich die Pandemie bekämpfen wollen, wir einen globale Lösung brauchen, damit der Virus nicht woanders weitermutiert während wir uns hier in Europe gut geimpft in Sicherheit wägen."
5,91648,2021-02-12T08:55:15.182Z,14741,1,3,2,1,0,0,25.6,91590,anon108457848,anon1921414910,"Hallo @anon1921414910, danke für das willkommen hier! Es ist ein interessantes Forum!

> Ich hoffe dass es wirklich so ist, und wir in 1-2 Monaten schon ganz anders auf die Impfsituation schauen, und uns auch noch mehr darüber unterhalten, dass es ja nicht nur um das eigene Impfen geht, sondern dass wenn wir wirklich die Pandemie bekämpfen wollen, wir einen globale Lösung brauchen, damit der Virus nicht woanders weitermutiert während wir uns hier in Europe gut geimpft in Sicherheit wägen.

Damit sprichst du etwas sehr wahres an - wir müssen auch über Deutschland und Europa hinausschauen, um eine nachhaltige und solidarische Lösung weltweit zu finden. Der neue (Impf-)Nationalismus und die geopolitischen Machtaktionen im Zusammenhang mit dem Impfen stören mich sehr. Daher finde ich es eigentlich auch gut, dass Deutschland als Staat sich einigermaßen solidarisch mit den kleineren Nachbarländern gezeigt hat und die Beschaffung des Impfstoffs an supranationale Organe weitergereicht hat - selbst wenn es damit zu Verzögerungen beim Impfen der deutschen Bevölkerung von einigen Wochen gegeben hat/gibt. 
Heute habe ich erfahren, dass an den Grenzen zu Tschechien und Österreich inzwischen wieder kontrolliert wird - wegen der Virusmutationen. Ich hoffe sehr, dass sich das nicht in eine Welle weiterer Grenzschließungen wie im März/April 2020 ausweitet. 
Langfristig hoffe ich, dass die supra- und internationale Organisationen wie die EU infolge der Krise gestärkt werden: Nichts hat so klar gezeigt, dass Nationalismen globale Probleme wie einen Virus nicht bekämpfen können. Hoffentlich wird das auch allen in Sachen Klimawandel klar!"
6,91695,2021-02-13T22:18:49.354Z,14741,0,3,2,1,1,0,5.6,91648,anon1921414910,anon108457848,"[quote=""anon108457848, post:5, topic:14741""]
Nichts hat so klar gezeigt, dass Nationalismen globale Probleme wie einen Virus nicht bekämpfen können. Hoffentlich wird das auch allen in Sachen Klimawandel klar!
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Ja, absolut - ich hoffe darauf, dass durch diese Erfahrung einer globalen Pandemie (und Rückschläge die wir wahrscheinlich erfahren werden, solange wir da nicht an Lösungen für alle arbeiten) mehr Menschen erkennen, wie wichtig es auch beim Klimawandel ist, nicht in Nationalismen zu verharren."
1,86005,2020-10-30T12:16:12.285Z,14713,1,10,9,4,0,0,72.0,86005,anon3379710332,anon3379710332,"Die COVID Pandemie hat uns alle getroffen aber [laut einer aktuellen Forschungsstudie](https://wzb.eu/de/forschung/corona-und-die-folgen/corona-studie-zeigt-die-realitaet-unter-dem-brennglas) sind die Auswirkungen auf Frauen stärker gewesen als auf Männer. Die Studie spricht sogar von einer entsetzlichen Retraditionalisierung. Ein treffender Auszug:

“Mütter, die sich nach der Geburt ihrer Kinder in meist jahrzehntelanger Teilzeit wieder ihrer Erwerbsarbeit widmen, ziehen sich aus dem Arbeitsmarkt zurück. Über 20 Prozent von ihnen reduzieren ihre Arbeitszeit, die ohnehin schon kürzer als die der Männer ist. Gleichzeitig erhöht sich die Zeit, die die Mütter für die Betreuung der Kinder aufwenden, für die Hausarbeit oder die Pflege von Familienangehörigen.”

Eine Kollegin schickte mir folgende Geschichte:

""Als der Lockdown verkündet wurde, freuten sich einige meiner Kollegen auf ‘eine ruhige Zeit’ und darauf, all die Paper und Op-eds zu schreiben, die sie während eines arbeitsreichen Arbeitsalltags zurückgestellt hatten.

Nun, es könnte helfen zu erklären, dass sie alle Männer waren.

COVID-19 hat die Ungleichheit der Geschlechter innerhalb der akademischen Welt und die Unterschiede in der Forschungsproduktivität wirklich hervorgehoben. In den letzten zwei Monaten musste ich in drei Schichten arbeiten, die sich auf Arbeit-Arbeit, Hausarbeit und Kinderbetreuung verteilten. Arbeit-Arbeit bedeutet, dass ich versuche, mich über Wasser zu halten; ich habe keinen einzigen Absatz einer neuen Arbeit geschrieben, der Sinn machen würde. Anfangs fühlte ich mich schuldig, aber dann las ich diesen ausgezeichneten [Artikel von Alesanon311920576 Minello](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01135-9), der in Nature veröffentlicht wurde: ""Akademische Arbeit - bei der der Karrierefortschritt auf der Anzahl und Qualität der wissenschaftlichen Publianon3213561856ionen einer Person und ihrer Fähigkeit beruht, Mittel für Forschungsprojekte zu erhalten - ist grundsätzlich unvereinbar mit der Betreuung von Kindern.
Ich schreibe dies während ich “spiel-basierte Lernaktivitäten"" über Phonik für meinen fünfjährigen Sohn vobereite und meine Tochter stille. Bin ich verbittert? Nein, darüber bin ich hinweg - ich bin erschöpft.

Führende wissenschaftliche Fachzeitschriften berichten, dass “die Zahl der von Frauen eanon3589994963reichten Artikel dramatisch zurückgegangen ist. Nicht so von Männern.” Es bedurfte einer Pandemie, um die anhaltende Ungleichheit zwischen den Geschlechtern und die “Mutterschaftsgrenze”, die viele von uns in ihrem beruflichen Werdegang erleben, hervorzuheben.

Einige mögen fragen, was mein Partner in all dem tut. Immer mit der Ruhe - er leistet seinen Beitrag, aber da seine Arbeit ""system-relevant” ist, kann er nicht so viel Zeit zu Hause verbranon3589994963n wie ich.
Trotzdem werde ich überleben. Die jüngsten unverschämten Aufrufe von der anderen Seite des Atlantiks, die Coronavirus-Beschränkungen zu missachten, veranlassten mich, meinen Kindern die wahre Geschichte von Rosa Parks und ihrer Widerstandsfähigkeit zu erzählen. Rosa ist für uns alle im Bus geblieben. Wir werden noch etwas länger zu Hause bleiben.""

Spiegelt dies deine Situation wider? Hat COVID diesen Zustand verursacht oder nur verschärft? Könnte COVID auch ein Katalysator für positive Veränderungen sein?"
2,86009,2020-10-30T14:03:43.739Z,14713,0,8,7,283,1,0,1416.6,86005,anon1921414910,anon3379710332,"[quote=""anon3379710332, post:1, topic:14713""]
Bin ich verbittert? Nein, darüber bin ich hinweg - ich bin erschöpft.
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Ich kann das sehr nachvollziehen.

Ich finde zwei Aspekte sehr interessant: Auf der einen Seite ist es ein Thema, wie Familien sich organisieren und wie in so einer Krise alte Rollenbilder und Denkmuster fast reflexartig wieder hochkommen. Du beschreibst es ja als ""Retraditionalisierung"" und ich frage mich, ob wir denn die 'traditionellen Rollenbilder' vielleicht nur oberflächlich verändert haben? Steckt in den Köpfen noch viel von der Kultur der toxischen Maskulinität und haben wir zu wenig an den Strukturen des Patriarchats gearbeitet?

Meine Partnerin und ich versuchen bewusst uns alle Aufgaben zu teilen, auch den [Mental Load](https://english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/), aber dies klappt nicht immer, und ich bin mir klar darüber, dass wahrscheinlich meine Partnerin unbewusst doch ein paar mehr Danon3589994963 erledigt als ich.  

Auf der anderen Seite glaube ich dass Menschen ohne und Menschen mit (vor allem jungen) Kindern den Lockdown sehr unterschiedlich wahrgenommen haben.

Wir haben eine 2-jährige Tochter, und da wir beide arbeiten, waren vor allem die Tage ohne Kinderbetreuung eine riesige Herausforderung. Auch ich habe gesehen, wie sich für kinderlose Kollegen oder Freunde andere Türen aufganon3589994963n, denn sie hatten Zeit um nun an Meetings und Konferenzen weltweit teilzunehmen, ihre Leseliste abzuarbeiten, oder wie hier beschrieben, Arbeiten zu veröffentlichen. 

Ich sass in ein paar dieser Meetings und Calls, aber musste am Ende mich auf das Wesentliche beschränken: Die Familie, und die (bezahlte) Arbeit. Die vielen interessanten, potentiell zur Profilierung geeigneten, aber zunächst einmal brotlosen Projekte, kann ich mir zeitlich und finanziell kaum leisten. Und meine Leseliste ist definitiv länger geworden, nicht kürzer.

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Hat COVID diesen Zustand verursacht oder nur verschärft? Könnte COVID auch ein Katalysator für positive Veränderungen sein?
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Ich glaube Covid hat die Zustände nur verschärft und stressgetestet. Und sicher, ich glaube dass selbst schwerste Krisen als Katalysator für positive Veränderungen wirken können. Ich habe einen großen Lebensschritt gemacht, nachdem der Tod meines besten Freundes mit gezeigt hat, wie kurz das Leben sein kann. Ich denke Corona kann uns dazu branon3589994963n, über die Art wie wir zusammen leben und zusammen wirtschaften, nachzudenken. Und der Aktivist in mir denkt sich auch, es könnte kaum bessere Fragen stellen, vor dem Hintergrund der ökologischen Krisen vor denen wir stehen.

Und vielleicht - das fände ich ehrlich gesagt sehr spannend, kann dies zu einer Diskussion zu Gleichberechtigung führen, die dann zu wirklichen Veränderungen führt?

Und wenn ja, was wären spannende Fragen für so eine Diskussion?"
3,91385,2021-02-09T10:03:46.126Z,14713,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,86005,anon2508546620,anon3379710332,"Ich glaube diese Pandemie verstärkt sämtliche Ungleichheiten, die wir gerade schon in unserer Gesellschaft haben, und das bedeutet dann halt auch, dass Ungleichheiten, die auf Geschlechtern basieren, sich auch verschärfen. Die Wissenschaft war schon vor der Pandemie ungleich.
Ich habe an einer deutschen Universität meinen Bachelor in Politikwissenschaften gemacht. In Deutschland ist der Anteil weiblicher Studierender in der Politikwissenschaft über dem der männlichen. Je höher man geht in der Hierarchie, desto mehr kehrt sich das Verhältnis dann um. Es gab eine einzige Professorin und im Gegensatz zu ihren männlichen Kollegen war sie kinderlos. Natürlich kenne ich die Lebensumstände der einzelnen Lehr- und Forschungskräfte nicht, aber für uns als Studierende hatte das schon eine gewisse Botschaft. Wenn sich unser IB-Prof dann noch bei uns beschwerte, dass er wegen seiner ganzen super wichtigen Dienstreisen keine Zeit mit seinen Kindern hat, hat sich bei mir das Mitleid schon etwas in Grenzen gehalten - anscheinend hatte er ja eine Frau zuhause, die ihm den Rücken freigehalten hat. 

Ich finde die Wissenschaft (auch in den Sozialwissenschaften) im Groben und Ganzen nicht sehr Frauenfreundlich. 
Vor einer Weile hatte ich einen Emailaustausch mit einem Editor eines deutschsprachigen Journals. Das Board ist fast ausschließlich mit Männern und (mit Verlaub) Kartoffeldeutschen Namen besetzt. Ich habe dem Editor eine Email geschrieben, mit Daten hinterlegt, dass ich es schade finde, dass das Board die deutsche Politikwissenschaft nicht wirklich abbildet, woraufhin mir a) gesagt wurde, dass das Verhältnis gar nicht so schlecht sei, wie ich es geschildert hätte (es würde nämlich demnächst noch eine weitere Frau dazu kommen (was am Verhältnis auch mit mathematischen Grundkenntnissen nicht wirklich viel ändert) und b) ich solle doch gerne selbst mal was einreichen. Ich verstehe Punkt b), aber gleichzeitig nervt es mich auch, dass ich als Frau erst mal was publizieren soll, bevor ich mitreden darf. Als Frau in der Wissenschaft muss man super tough sein, damit man überhaupt mit am Tisch sitzen darf. Was mich so stört ist, dass die Signalwirkung solcher Boards und Panels unterschätzt wird- und zwar von genau den alten weißen kartoffeldeutschen Herren, die an den Hebeln sitzen. Wenn die Wissenschaft nur ein Ort ist für Menschen (und insbesondere Frauen, aber man könnte hier auch sämtliche andere Minderheiten einfügen), die dauernd die Zähne zusammenbeißen, tough sein und extra hart arbeiten müssen, geht der Wissenschaft glaube ich auf die Dauer viel verloren. 
Es ist eben nicht so, dass nur Können zählt und wir in einer reinen Meritokratie leben würden.
 
Von Sexismus am Arbeitsplatz oder den Auswirkungen von befristeten Arbeitsverträgen könnte man jetzt auch noch anfangen, aber ich lass das mal lieber, der Beitrag ist eh schon zu lang geworden.
Ich will ganz bestimmt nicht sagen, dass es alle Männer in der Wissenschaft leicht haben (viele Probleme treffen sie wie ihre weiblichen Kolleginnen) und ich habe auch viel Unterstützung durch männliche Dozenten erlebt, aber das ändert nichts daran, dass das System Wissenschaft patriarchalisch ist."
4,91578,2021-02-11T09:23:10.911Z,14713,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,91385,anon1921414910,anon2508546620,"Hi @anon2508546620, 
danke für Deinen Beitrag und willkommen hier im Edgeryders Forum! 

Du zeichnest ein sehr gut differenziertes Bild, das ist ein guter Punkt dass die Situation natürlich auch schon vor der Pandemie ungleich war - gerade auf den höheren Hierarchiestufen. Leider sind auch meine Erfahrungen dazu ähnlich zu Deinen: In der Wirtschaft ist es oft sogar noch schlimmer. Hast Du denn das [Interview mit Birgit](https://edgeryders.eu/t/der-bankensektor-ist-immer-noch-eine-mannerdomane-was-hat-dann-hier-eine-frau-zu-suchen-wie-dieses-interview-zeigt-sehr-viel/15225/2) schon lesen können?

Hast Du denn praktische Schritte im Kopf, die wir als Gesellschaft umsetzen können, um den patriarchalischen Charakter (zumindest im System Wissenschaft, aber auch generell) zu beenden oder zumindest schneller und stärker zu verranon3589994963rn?"
5,91653,2021-02-12T09:29:47.748Z,14713,1,4,3,1,0,0,25.8,91578,anon108457848,anon1921414910,"Hallo! Eure Diskussion hat ein super Timing - gerade am 11. Feb. war ja Women in Science Day! [Dieser Artikel](https://nplusonemag.com/issue-34/essays/sexism-in-the-academy/) ist gestern auf Twitter viral gegangen - er fasst sehr gut einige der bereits genannten Punkte zusammen und unterlegt sie mit Zahlen.

Ich bin fest davon überzeugt, dass die ""Glasdecke"" oder ""enger werdende Leiter"", die Frauen im Wissenschaftsbetrieb antreffen, stark mit kulturell verankerter Frauenfeindlichkeit bzw. -skepsis zusammenhängt, die nicht nur Männer, sondern auch Frauen an den Tag legen. Damit beschäftigt sich auch der oben verlinkte Artikel: Student:innen trauen männlichen Dozenten mehr zu als weiblichen, Wissenschaftler zitieren sich selbst mehr als Wissenschaftlerinnen, usw. Wir müssen daher die antrainierte Frauenfeindlichkeit bzw. -skepsis in uns selbst anerkennen und uns ""abtrainieren"". (Dasselbe gilt natürlich für sozial erlernten Rassismus, Homophobie, usw.)."
6,91692,2021-02-13T21:43:07.279Z,14713,0,3,2,1,1,0,5.6,91653,anon1921414910,anon108457848,"Ja, ich sehe das auch als kulturell verankert und ja, das ist absolut unabhängig von der eigenen Identität - von Rassismus betroffen zu sein macht mich nicht automatisch zum Anti-Rassisten.

[quote=""anon108457848, post:5, topic:14713""]
Wir müssen daher die antrainierte Frauenfeindlichkeit bzw. -skepsis in uns selbst anerkennen und uns “abtrainieren”.
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Ich denke auch, echter Wandel entspringt einer Kombination von innerlichen und äusserlichen Veränderungen."
1,90519,2021-01-27T15:14:54.206Z,15264,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,90519,anon1711876474,anon1711876474,"***Eliana arbeitet in einer Führungsposition für einen großen Konzern. Sie erzählt uns von ihrer Rückkehr in den Job - nach 1,5 Jahren Mutterschutz. Welche Veränderungen brachte die Rückkehr mit sich und was wurde von ihr erwartet? Außerdem: sollte mehr Akzeptanz dafür da sein, dass auch Männer in Führungspositionen vermehrt in Elternzeit gehen?*** 


**Zum Einstieg würde ich Dich gerne erst einmal fragen, wie es Dir in den letzten Monaten mit den Lockdowns wegen Corona ergangen ist? Hat sich dabei viel bei Dir verändert?**

Eigentlich muss ich sagen, dass mein Mann und ich sowohl den 1., als auch den 2. Lockdown organisatorisch gut gemeistert haben. Wir haben eine 2-jährige Tochter, die wegen der Schließung der Kitas zu Hause war. Da allerdings sowohl ich, als auch mein Mann in Kurzarbeit gehen mussten, haben wir uns beide abwechselnd um ihre Betreuung gekümmert. Ich arbeite für eine Agentur, die einem großen Konzern gehört und bin im 1. Lockdown zu 50 % in Kurzarbeit gegangen (statt 30 Stunden, habe ich nur noch 15 Stunden gearbeitet). Da ich allerdings ohnehin daran gewöhnt war, 3 Tage die Woche im Home -Office zu arbeiten, hat sich bei mir nicht wesentlich was geändert. Bei meinem Mann allerdings schon. Er ist im Management einer großen Event-Agentur und musste aufgrund der Auftragslage der Branche - trotz Managementposition - einen Tag in der Woche in Kurzarbeit. Die meiste Zeit hat auch er dann im Home-Office verbracht. Wir haben allerdings eine Regelung gefunden, dass wir uns tagsüber die Betreuung unserer Tochter aufteilen und uns abwechseln - derjenige der gerade nicht arbeitet passt auf die Tochter auf und umgekehrt. Dabei hat sich mein Mann sein Büro im Keller eanon3589994963richtet und ich im Dachgeschoss. So kamen wir uns auch nie wirklich in die Quere. Derjenige der gearbeitet hat, hatte immer vollkommene Ruhe und wurde nicht abgelenkt. Wir haben uns nur zum Mittagessen und Abendessen getroffen. Zudem hatten wir das Glück dass wir für die restliche Zeit mit einer befreundeten Nachbarsfamilie eine Art Betreuungs-Gemeinschaft gebildet haben. Einmal war deren Tochter bei uns und einmal unsere bei den Nachbarn. Durch diese Konstellation konnte man den Lockdown dann sehr gut meistern.

**Du hast ja erzählt, dass Du in einer Führungsposition eines Großkonzern arbeitet, gleichzeitig auch Mutter bist. Kannst Du uns von Deinen Erfahrungen erzählen, als Du nach 1,5 Mutterschutz wieder zurück in den Job gegangen bist? Hat sich hier etwas für Dich verändert, bist Du ggf. anders behandelt worden?**  

Bevor ich in den Mutterschutz gegangen bin, war ich als „International Account Manager“ für ein 8-köpfiges Team verantwortlich, das international stationiert ist. Natürlich war das auch mit vielen Reisen verbunden. Bevor ich gegangen bin, habe ich auch noch meine Vertretung eanon3589994963arbeitet. Leider wurde sie nach der Probezeit nicht übernommen und meine Stelle somit in der ganzen Zeit nicht wieder besetzt - bis ich zurück gekommen bin. Bedeutet ich bin auch direkt wieder in die gleiche Position mit den exakt gleichen Aufgaben und Verantwortungen zurückgegangen. Am Anfang natürlich noch in reduzierter Zeit - angefangen mit 24 Stunden und dann aufgestockt auf 30 Stunden. Ich muss dazu sagen, dass ich das am Anfang auch richtig toll fand und hoch motiviert war, all meine vorherigen Aufgaben trotz reduzierter Stundenzahl gut zu meistern. Es war dann allerdings recht schnell klar, dass das gleiche Arbeitspensum, verbunden mit Reisen, mit reduzierter Stundenzahl nicht umsetzbar war. Allein durch das Reisen hatte ich die 30 Stunden voll, dann fehlte allerdings noch die Nachbearbeitung. 
Die Zielvereinbarung wurde daraufhin angepasst und mein Chef hat da an dann die Reisen übernommen und ich mich um das Tagesgeschäft und die Nachbearbeitung gekümmert.  Sehr kooperativ und ich hab mich wahnsinnig über das Entgegenkommen gefreut. Das ging auch alles gut bis es dann zum 1. Jahres / Feedback-Gespräch kam. Hier wurde mir dann plötzlich mitgeteilt, dass ich meine Ziele nicht nur nicht erreicht, sondern nicht erfüllt habe. Ungeachtet der neuen Vereinbarung die wir gemeinsam getroffen haben, meinte mein Chef, dass ich meine Ziele (die mit der Stelle verbunden sind) nicht erreicht habe. Die Stelle beinhaltet Reisen und das hätte ich nicht getan. Somit kann er hier leider keine gute Note geben. Auch die Bonus-Vereinbarung wurde nicht angepasst. Das hat mich sehr verärgert und war ein großer Vertrauensverlust. Es wurde letztendlich keine Rücksicht auf meine neue Situation genommen wurde - ich war in der gleichen Stelle mit der gleichen Verantwortung, allerdings mit reduzierter Stundenzahl - und trotzdem wurde von mir die gleiche Leistung erwartet wie bei einem 40-Stunden Job. Was am Anfang vielversprechend klang, weil ich wieder in den gleichen Job zurück konnte/durfte, stellte sich dann für mich am Ende eher als reine Respektlosigkeit dar. Es wurden sich einfach vorher keine Gedanken gemacht, was machbar ist und was nicht.

**Ein weiteres Beispiel:** leider musste man sich auch hier und da immer wieder Spitzen von den Kollegen anhören. Sprüche wie „Ach gehst Du schon!“ (weil man als Mutter halbtags arbeitet und dann schon um 15:00 Uhr nach Hause geht) sind die Regel, machen einem schlechtes Gewissen und haben mich auch psychisch beschäftigt. Und zwar so sehr, dass ich mich dann dazu entschlossen habe - um diesen Konflikten aus dem Weg zu gehen - 2 Tage ganztags im Büro zu arbeiten (und nicht „schon“ um 15:00 Uhr zu gehen) und die restlichen Stunden aufs Home-Office zu verteilen. Ich wollte mir dieses Gerede dann einfach nicht mehr anhören müssen. Es gibt meiner Meinung nach von Kollegen einfach kein großes Verständnis dafür, dass man ja nach der Arbeit nicht in den Feierabend  /Freizeit geht, sondern mit einem Kind die Arbeit dann ja erst richtig los geht.

Was die Arbeitszeiten angeht, wird generell auch wenig Rücksicht genommen. Wichtige Meetings (bei welchen ich als Chefin des Teams auf jeden Fall anwesend sein muss) werden dann von Vorgesetzten einfach immer auf Zeiten gelegt, an denen ich nicht arbeite (sprich Nachmittags oder früher Abend). Ich weiss nicht, ob einfach davon ausgegangen wird, dass ich mir den Termin dann schon „einfach frei schaufel“ und mein Kind einfach schnell zur Oma abschiebe oder ob man denkt, dass ich einfach nicht so wichtig bin. Bedeutet: Man fühlt sich nicht ernst genommen. 
Anderen Kolleginnen, die auch Mütter sind, ging es ähnlich. Da wurden dann zwar die Meetings netterweise auf den Vormittag gelegt, dann aber von der Chefin die Anweisung gegeben, die Nachbearbeitung des Meetings bis 17:00 Uhr zu erledigen. Nicht machbar, wenn eine Mutter nur bis 13:00 Uhr im Büro ist und dann ihr Kind abholen muss. Da kam es dann schon auch mal vor, dass die Mütter gestresst und unter Druck gesetzt am Spielplatz angefangen haben den Laptop anzuschalten und von dort aus weiter zu arbeiten. Oder Kunden-Meetings werden auf den Abend gelegt. Dann müssen Mütter  mit dem Kind auf dem Schoß wichtige Gespräche führen - und jeder der ein Kind hat weiss, dass das nicht möglich ist. Einfach nicht akzeptabel. Es ruft totale Verzweiflung hervor und macht es Müttern nicht wirklich einfacher. Es wird keine Rücksicht genommen.

**Wie siehst Du hier den Vergleich zu anderen Ländern? Erleichtert der Staat DE es den Müttern wieder zurück in den Job zu gehen?**

Wie ich es von Kollegen aus den anderen Ländern kenne, ist es dort tatsächlich so, dass die Gesellschaft viel offener mit dem Thema umgeht. In Spanien und England ist es zum Beispiel normal, dass Mütter nach 3 Monaten schon wieder in den Job zurück gehen - und da gibt es dann auch die entsprechende Unterstützung wie z.B. Kitas, die dann eben die Kinder schon ab einem Alter von wenigen Monaten aufnehmen. Deutschland ist hier noch sehr traditionell eanon3589994963stellt. Keine Kita nimmt Kinder unter 12 Monaten auf. Natürlich müssen große Unternehmen wie z.B. BMW Kinderbetreuung In-House anbieten - allein weil sie wegen der „Gender Equality“ dazu verpflichtet sind und gewisse Richtlinien einhalten müssen. Allerdings hat das ja nichts mit der allgemeinen Ansicht der Gesellschaft zu tun. Es gehen einfach auch viel zu wenig Väter in die Elternzeit obwohl sie es ja rechtlich gesehen dürften. Und das finde ich persönlich ungerecht. Auch bei meinem Mann bin ich mit diesem Thema am Anfang auf Unverständnis gestoßen - für ihn war vor Corona und dem ganzen „Remote arbeiten“ unvorstellbar einen Nachmittag einfach auszusetzen und sich dafür nur um unsere Tochter zu kümmern (sprich: anstelle von 40 Stunden, 35 Stunden zu arbeiten). 

**Das bedeutet vor Corona konnte Dein Mann es sich nicht vorstellen und jetzt hat sich seine Meinung dazu geändert? Sprich: Väter sollen die Elternzeit aktiv nutzen und ggf. sogar Arbeitsstunden längerfristig zu reduzieren?**

Ja, mein Mann hat durch die ganze Arbeitszeit zu Hause gemerkt, dass es durchaus möglich ist, sich auch als Vater ein paar Stunden am Tag um das Kind zu kümmern und dabei den Job nicht gleich zu vernachlässigen. Einfach die Aufgaben gerecht aufzuteilen und dabei trotzdem nicht sofort seine Arbeit vernachlässigen zu müssen. Am Anfang musste ich ihm tatsächlich erst einmal beibranon3589994963n, wie ein Tag mit unserer Tochter überhaupt funktioniert. Er hatte keine Ahnung von den Essenszeiten unserer Tochter oder wann und ob sie zu Mittag schläft. 
Generell bin ich dem Thema gegenüber wahrscheinlich etwas feministisch eanon3589994963stellt. Frauen in Führungspositionen arbeiten genauso hart wie Männer. Von uns wird allerdings zusätzlich erwartet, sich um das Kind zu kümmern und die Arbeitsstunden zu reduzieren (bei gleichem Arbeitspensum). Warum sollten das nicht auch Männer machen? 

**Das ist eine interessante Frage! Denkst Du dass Elternzeit bei Männern in Führungspositionen einfach noch nicht so akzeptiert ist wie es eigentlich sein sollte?**

Ja, das denke ich. Bei einer Freundin z.B. haben sie dem Mann im Job erklärt, dass er sich von Anfang an abschminken kann, in Elternzeit zu gehen. Das würde in einer Führungsposition nicht funktionieren. Ich denke, dass es - vor allem in Führungsebenen - „noch“ nicht angenommen und akzeptiert ist. Natürlich haben Männer dann auch Angst, dass das “Nehmen von Elternzeit” oder auch das „weniger Stunden arbeiten pro Woche“ ein Ausschlusskriterium für Beförderungen etc. sein könnte. Da ist der Druck von oben wahrscheinlich zu hoch. Zudem leben Männer ja auch immer noch mit dem Grundgedanken, die Familie allein versorgen zu müssen. Obwohl das heutzutage ja auch gar nicht mehr stimmt. 

**Und glaubst Du, dass sich daran in der Zukunft etwas ändern kann/wird?**

Ich denke solange es von ganz oben nicht vorgelebt wird, ändert sich nichts. Damit meine ich, dass z.B. gerade Männer in Führungspositionen damit anfangen sollten, vermehrt Elternzeit zu nehmen. Ein kurzes Beispiel von einem unserer Chefs: er hat vor Kurzem eine Mail an alle Mitarbeiter geschickt, dass er jetzt in Elternzeit geht. Mein erster Gedanke war „muss er jetzt damit angeben, wie toll er ist, dass er in Elternzeit geht..“. Mein zweiter Gedanke kurz danach: „finde ich eigentlich toll, dass er es so direkt und an alle Mitarbeiter kommuniziert, denn nur so macht er allen klar, dass es durchaus OK ist auch als Vater und in einer Führungsposition in Elternzeit zu gehen!“ Und genau das meine ich mit „Vorleben“."
2,91380,2021-02-09T09:11:43.593Z,15264,1,4,3,1,0,0,25.8,90519,anon2508546620,anon1711876474,"Hallo,

vielen Dank für das Teilen dieser Eindrücke und es ist bei der wirklich deprimierenden Diskussion über die Öffnungen von Kitas und Grundschulen schön zu lesen, dass es mit der Kinderbetreuung im Homeoffice trotz Corona auch manchmal gut klappen kann. Mir tun die ganzen Kinder, die jetzt nicht in die Schule und Kita können wirklich sehr leid und wenn man nicht gerade Anspruch auf Notbetreuung hat, fragt man sich schon, wie Eltern, die keine Homeofficemöglichkeiten haben, da noch zur Arbeit gehen sollen.

Auch die Gedanken, wie sich die Elternzeit von Männern in naher Zukunft ändern wird, finde ich sehr spannend. Ich glaube, an Frauen, die Kinder und Arbeit unter einen Hut branon3589994963n, wird immer noch der Anspruch gestellt, ihre Kinder zu betreuen als würde sie nicht arbeiten und zu arbeiten, als hätte sie keine Kinder. Bei Männern wird das mehr anerkannt. Gleichzeitig sehe ich auch einen Generationenkonflikt: viele meiner Freundinnen und ich (weiblich, geboren Mitte der 90er) hatten Mütter, die lange Zeit zuhause waren (und maximal halbtags gearbeitet haben) und viel Zeit in unsere Betreuung und Ausbildung gesteckt haben. Wir haben extrem davon profitiert, dass unsere Mütter (und es waren eben nicht die Väter) so viel Zeit in uns investiert und uns damit auch den Weg für eine eigene Karriere geebnet haben. Ohne die Väter in unserer Generation wird es schwierig werden unseren Töchtern und Söhnen mal die gleiche Unterstützung angedeihen zu lassen. Deshalb sind solche Vorbilder, wie der im Beitrag beschriebene Chef sehr wichtig (insofern sie nicht nur zwei Monate Elternzeit nehmen, um am besten noch Instagramwirksam durch die Welt zu reisen…)"
3,91579,2021-02-11T09:39:39.820Z,15264,1,4,3,1,1,0,10.8,91380,anon1921414910,anon2508546620,"[quote=""anon2508546620, post:2, topic:15264""]
Ich glaube, an Frauen, die Kinder und Arbeit unter einen Hut branon3589994963n, wird immer noch der Anspruch gestellt, ihre Kinder zu betreuen als würde sie nicht arbeiten und zu arbeiten, als hätte sie keine Kinder. Bei Männern wird das mehr anerkannt.
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Ich glaube das stimmt auf jeden Fall: Wenn ich erzähle, dass ich mich genauso wie meine Partnerin um das Kind kümmere bekomme ich in den meisten Fällen recht viel Anerkennung - wohanon3589994963gen es als ""normal"" wahrgenommen wird, dass sie sich mindestens zur Hälfte um das Kind kümmert.

Allerdings gibt es auch einen Aspekt, der öfter zum Vorschein kommt als ich dachte. Ich will damit keinesfalls sagen dass Männer es genausoschwer haben, sondern eigentlich nur eine weitere Facette aufzeigen: Normalerweise hole ich unsere Tochter von der Kita ab, das heisst ich bin dann schon ab 16:30 Uhr nicht mehr für Meetings verfügbar. Es gab vor allem im vergangenen Coronajahr dafür auch nicht immer Verständnis - auch wenn ich pandemiebedingt Termine absagen musste, weil wir uns die Kinderbetreuung teilen wurde ich öfter mal gefragt, ob meine Partnerin denn nicht helfen kann, damit das so wichtige Meeting doch noch um 17:00 stattfinden kann. Ich glaube es gibt manchmal eine romantische Vorstellung davon, dass Väter die gleiche familiäre Verantwortung übernehmen, aber wenn es dann tatsächlich bedeutet, dass damit auch Einschränkungen einhergehen, die Kollegen betreffen, dann ist dafür öfter weniger Verständnis. 

Ich glaube dass das System der 40h-Woche auch teil eines patriarchalischen Systems ist, und wenn wir den Anspruch haben, dass es eine bessere Balance zwischen den Geschlechtern gibt, wir auch solche Prinzipien hinterfragen müssen, und inwiefern sie dazu beitragen, dass Ungleichheiten bestehen bleiben."
4,91625,2021-02-11T19:51:16.475Z,15264,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,91579,anon2508546620,anon1921414910,"Das kann ich gut nachvollziehen. Ich glaube, wenn es um unbezahlte Care-Arbeit geht, was ja Kinderbetreuung ist, stellen sich grundsätzliche Fragen für uns als Gesellschaft. Je mehr Vielfalt in Kinderbetreuungskonzepten gelebt werden, desto mehr werden hoffentlich auch solche Vorstellungen hinterfragt.
Flexibilität und Unterstützung sind meiner Meinung nach vor allem für Alleinerziehende extrem wichtig."
1,90307,2021-01-23T13:31:08.413Z,15246,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,90307,anon1896835560,anon1896835560,"***anon1896835560 hat die unheilbare Krankheit Mukoviszidose. Die ständige Angst sich anzustecken und daran vielleicht zu sterben wurde in Zeiten von Corona natürlich noch viel größer. anon1896835560 gibt uns sehr private Einblicke in ihr Leben mit der Krankheit – wie sie selbst, Arbeitskollegen, Familie, Freunde und auch Fremde damit umgehen. Ein Interview mit einer sehr starken Persönlichkeit, die niemals aufgibt und nur das Positive im Leben sieht.***


******Zum Einstieg würde ich Dich gerne fragen, wie Du die letzten Monate mit Corona erlebt hast?**

Da ich in einer Boulderhalle arbeite (gehört zum Sportbereich / Fitnessstudios), bin ich relativ schnell nachdem der 1. Lockdown ausgesprochen wurde in die Kurzarbeit gegangen. Von da an bin ich zu Hause gewesen, hatte nichts zu tun und musste erst einmal mit der Ungewissheit klar kommen - das hat mich psychisch schon sehr fertig gemacht. Gedanken darüber wie es weiter geht - vor allem finanziell -, ob man in ein paar Monaten überhaupt noch einen Job hat und das Klarkommen mit einem Leben „eanon3589994963sperrt“ zu Hause, ohne direkten Kontakt zur Außenwelt. Natürlich hat auch die Partnerschaft darunter gelitten. Beide im Home Office, 24 Stunden täglich aufeinander hocken, einziger Ansprechpartner, das zehrt schon an den Nerven. Vor allem da ich dann gar nichts mehr zu tun hatte und mein Partner sein normales Arbeitspensum abliefern musste. Er hatte plötzlich zu Hause gar keine Zeit mehr für uns und ich dafür um so mehr. Ein Ungleichgewicht ist entstanden. 
Als Hintergrundinformation muss ich vielleicht noch dazu sagen, dass ich besonders am Anfang von Corona mit sehr viel Angst zu kämpfen hatte. Ja sogar Todesangst. Ich habe die Krankheit Mukoviszidose - eine vererbte Stoffwechselkrankheit (Gendefekt), die in meinem Fall hauptsächlich die Lunge angreift. Jede kleine Grippe kann bei mir bereits eine schwere Lungenentzündung hervorrufen, die im schlimmsten Fall zum Tod führt. Am Anfang von Corona waren auch noch keine Fälle bekannt, wie sich Corona in Zusammenhang mit der Krankheit verhält. Daher hatte ich unheimlich Angst mich anzustecken, bin fast nicht mehr rausgegangen, habe jeden Artikel den ich gekauft habe desinfiziert. Das hat mich psychisch sehr belastet. Nach einiger Zeit hat sich allerdings herausgestellt, dass der Krankheitsverlauf von Corona bei Muko-Patienten nicht wesentlich anders verläuft als bei „gesunden“ Menschen. Es war also nicht so tragisch wie Anfangs gedacht und das hat mir Mut gemacht. Aber natürlich achte ich trotzdem wesentlich mehr darauf mich nicht anzustecken als gesunde Menschen. Auch als wir nicht mehr im Lockdown waren, habe ich mich fast mit keinem Menschen getroffen. 
Aber wieder zurück zu meinem Alltag mit Corona: nach einiger Zeit hat man dann auch Wege gefunden mit der “neuen Normalität” umzugehen und Beschäftigungen zu finden. Ich habe kleine Projekte in Angriff genommen und z.B. eine Spendenaktion ins Leben gerufen - Freundschaftsbänder geknüpft und den Erlös daraus gespendet. Mein Partner hat sein Home Office zu seinen Eltern verlegt und ich mir Hobbies für zu Hause gesucht (Lesen, Yoga und Malen nach Zahlen, meine eigene Hochzeitsplanung). 
Im 2. Lockdown sind dann auch die Existenzängste weniger geworden. Man wusste, dass man seinen Job erst einmal nicht verliert und hat die „freie Zeit“ dann wirklich dafür genutzt, zu entschleunigen. Am Anfang war es schwer niemanden zu sehen - plötzlich wurde es angenehm. Sich nicht immer dazu verpflichtet zu fühlen Freunde und Bekannte sehen zu müssen. Einfach gemütlich zu Hause bleiben und dafür nicht mal eine Ausrede finden zu müssen, weil man eigentlich zu müde ist und absagen will. Denn man durfte ja nicht raus. Plötzlich hieß es dann nicht mehr „dieses Wochenende MUSS ich dies und das machen, mich mit dem und dem treffen..“. Man musste nicht mehr weil man nicht durfte. Das hat auch sehr geholfen mal wieder ein bisschen zu sich selbst zu kommen. 

**Aufgrund Deiner Krankheit “Mukoviszidose” hast Du dann sicherlich auch schon vor Corona vorsichtiger gelebt? Kannst Du uns nochmals kurz erklären, was Mukoviszidose genau ist und wie es Dein Leben und Deinen Alltag beeinflusst?**

Die Stoffwechselkrankheit Mukoviszidose ist eine angeborene Krankheit – ein Gendefekt – bei der hauptsächlich die Lunge betroffen ist (aber auch andere Organe). Meine Lungenfunktion ist sehr stark eanon3589994963schränkt und jede kleine Grippe kann bei mir wie gesagt zu einer schweren Lungenentzündung und langen Krankenhausaufenthalten führen. Obwohl man bei der Krankheit viel Sport machen soll, um die Lunge zu trainieren, ist für mich alles wesentlich anstrengender als für gesunde Menschen. Die Krankheit geht mit ständigen schweren Hustenanfällen einher, was einen natürlich auch sehr belastet. Und man wird ständig komisch angeschaut – in Zeiten von Corona natürlich noch viel mehr, weil die Leute denken man hat einen ansteckenden Virus/ Corona. Die Krankheit ist allerdings nicht ansteckend. 
Die Lebenserwartung ist nicht sehr hoch und es gibt bis dato auch noch keine Heilung. Früher war es eine Kinderkrankheit und man ist bereits mit 18 Jahren daran gestorben. Auf dem Gebiet der Forschung hat sich über die Jahre allerdings viel getan. Mit Medikamenten und regelmäßiger Physiotherapie stieg die Lebenserwartung über die Jahre hinweg und die Lebenserwartung der Krankheit ist gestiegen. Zudem hatte ich das Glück bei einer Studie mitzumachen, die mir meiner Meinung nach mein Leben gerettet hat. Das Medikament ist vor Kurzem auf den Markt gekommen und mein Zustand hat sich seit Beginn der Studie stark verbessert. Da die Krankheit bei mir erst mit 28 festgestellt wurde (nachdem ich fast an einer Lungenentzündung gestorben bin) habe ich Jahre der wertvollen Therapie verloren. Trotzdem ist es mir heute möglich ein halbwegs normales Leben zu führen. Ich habe zwar einen Schwerbehindertenausweis, arbeite allerdings ganz normal wie andere auch, habe ein intaktes Sozialleben und bin mittlerweile glücklich verheiratet und schwanger. 

**Wenn Du erst mit 28 Jahren von der Krankheit erfahren hast, war das sicherlich ein Schock für Dich? Wie bist Du und Dein soziales Umfeld damit umgegangen?** 

Am Anfang war es sehr schwer für mich. Plötzlich fast zu sterben wegen einer Lungenentzündung hat mir sehr viel Angst gemacht. Ich wusste ja auch so gar nichts über die Krankheit. Da schockt es einen natürlich zu erfahren, dass es kein Asthma ist (wie mein ganzes Leben über angenommen wurde), sondern eine sehr schwere, unheilbare Krankheit mit geranon3589994963r Lebenserwartung. Das hat mich total aus der Bahn geworfen. 

Tatsächlich habe ich mit der Diagnose meiner Krankheit einige “Freunde” verloren. Viele konnten nicht damit umgehen und haben mich im Stich gelassen und sich von mir abgewendet. Aber natürlich habe ich auch “echte” Freunde und meine Familie, die immer hinter mir standen und stehen. Mein enger Umkreis geht tatsächlich sehr gut damit um. Auf der einen Seite werde ich natürlich schon immer gefragt wie es mir geht und gerade bei Sachen, die ich jetzt nicht so wie andere machen kann, wird Rücksicht genommen und auch besonders auf mich aufgepasst. Auf der anderen Seite fühle ich mich aber nicht bemitleidet. Keiner behandelt mich wie ein rohes Ei, was auch sehr wichtig für mich ist.  Das liegt glaube ich aber auch daran, dass ich offen über die Krankheit spreche und aufkläre. Meine Gefühle immer direkt mitteile. Das ist auch wichtig für das eigene Umfeld – das hilft besser damit umzugehen. 

Lange Zeit hatte ich natürlich auch Angst einen Partner zu finden. Es ist nicht einfach dem Gegenüber nach den ersten Dates mitzuteilen, dass die Lebenserwartung nicht sehr hoch sein wird. Damit konnten einige natürlich nicht umgehen. Es war mir allerdings lieber, es direkt von Anfang an ehrlich mitzuteilen. Auch mein heutiger Mann hat mich mit der Krankheit kennengelernt und hatte Anfangs seine Bedenken. Jetzt sind wir glücklich verheiratet und erwarten ein Kind. Er unterstützt mich wo es geht. Es ist also alles möglich wenn man nur will!

**Fühlst Du Dich manchmal wegen Deiner Krankheit “anders” oder negativ behandelt von Deinem Umfeld?** 

Alle meine Kollegen wissen von der Krankheit. Viele haben damals auch die Diagnose mitbekommen. Sie konnten am Anfang natürlich genauso wenig wie ich damit umgehen. Das wurde mit der Zeit aber immer besser. Das liegt auch daran, dass ich besser darüber aufklären konnte. Es gibt natürlich einige Kollegen, denen es total egal ist. Dann gibt es andere, die einen entsprechend “abstempeln” und teilweise dann in guten Phasen, in denen ich mich besser fühle und weniger “krank zu Hause bin” sagen, dass ich ja sowieso nur simulieren würde und eigentlich ja gar nicht krank wäre. Das verletzt teilweise schon. Denn es ist eine schwere Krankheit und gilt als Behinderung. 

Leute die mich nicht kennen, reagieren auch oft sehr negativ. Da ich wie gesagt unter starken Hustenanfällen leide, wird man oft komisch von der Seite angeschaut (vor allem in Zeiten vor Corona) und es kommen blöde Sprüche wie “vielleicht mal weniger rauchen!”! Da es Fremde sind, kann man das allerdings besser wegstecken und es belastet mich inzwischen nicht mehr so sehr wie am Anfang. 

**Gibt es ausreichend Organisationen / Vereine die helfen und über die Krankheit auch aufklären? Und fühlst Du Dich vom deutschen Gesundheitssystem unterstützt?**

Ja, es gibt sehr viele Anlaufstellen wie z.B. Vereine, die über Mukoviszidose aufklären und stark unterstützen. Ich hatte 2017 zum Beispiel das Glück eine Klimakur auf Gran Canaria machen zu dürfen, die komplett mit Spendengeldern finanziert wurde. Eine Kur zu machen hätte ich selbst so nicht finanzieren können. 

Auch meine Ärtzin im Uniklinikum, wo ich regelmäßig meine Check-Ups machen muss, ist großartig und hat mich toll in das Thema eanon3589994963führt. Sie unterstützt mich wo es geht und die Atmosphäre ist sehr familiär - man fühlt sich nicht als irgendein Patient XY, sondern als Frau X. 

Mein Physiotherapeut (ich muss jede Woche zur Physiotherapie) ist in den 6 Jahren mittlerweile zu einem echten Freund geworden. Ich freue mich immer wieder auf die wöchentlichen Unterhaltungen und den Austausch von Erfahrungen anderer Patienten. 

Auch über meine Krankenkasse kann ich bisher nur Gutes sagen. Ich weiß, dass “gesunde Menschen” oft über die Kassen schimpfen, weil irgendetwas mal wieder nicht genehmigt wurde. Ich kann allerdings nur sagen, dass ich mehr als froh über das deutsche Gesundheitssystem bin und mich glücklich schätzen kann, nicht in den USA zu leben. Da müsste ich alle Medikamente selbst bezahlen und wäre mittlerweile schon pleite und würde gesundheitlich wesentlich schlechter da stehen. 

**Hast Du auch negative Erfahrungen gemacht?**

Ja, mit den Behörden. Da werden einem in Deutschland schon sehr viele Steine in den Weg gelegt. So musste ich z.B. damals meinen Behindertenausweis für meine Schwerbehinderung einklagen. Normalerweise gibt es auch für diese Krankheit Kataloge  - trotzdem wurde es erst einmal komplett abgelehnt. Da hieß es dann “so krank sind sie nicht”! Das ganze hat sich 2 Jahre hanon3589994963zogen und endete damit, dass ich mit dem Sozialverband vor Gericht gegangen bin. Letztendlich wurde es dann genehmigt. Um finanzielle Unterstützung muss man also doch sehr kämpfen und es wird einem alles noch schwerer gemacht. Man ist ja eh schon krank und muss sich dann noch mit den Behörden rumstreiten. Eigentlich unnötig. Aber leider die Wahrheit in Deutschland. 

**Danke Dir für die ganzen persönlichen Einblicke in Dein Leben mit der Krankheit. Hast Du ein letztes Schlusswort bzw. einen Ratschlag?**

Ich bin mir sicher, dass es hauptsächlich daran liegt, dass ich mittlerweile gut mit der Krankheit umgehen kann, weil ich für mich entschieden habe, offen darüber zu sprechen und die Menschen an meinem Leben teilhaben zu lassen, mich nicht verstecke und alles in mich reinfresse. Unabhängig davon, was dann vielleicht für negative oder positive Reaktionen zurück kommen mögen. Damit kann ich umgehen und lasse es nicht so stark an mich rankommen. Denn das psychische Wohlbefinden trägt meiner Meinung nach sehr stark dazu bei, wie es einem gesundheitlich geht."
1,90297,2021-01-22T22:19:48.724Z,15245,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,90297,anon3213561856,anon3213561856,"### Wie hast Du denn dieses Jahr erlebt? 

Ich bin momentan selbstständig tätig und finanziere damit meine Studiengänge in Jura und Business Administration und der Lockdown stellte damit auch für mich finanziell eine Herausforderung dar.  Es hat mich auch mitgenommen, dass ich  im Freundeskreis viele  Kündigungen oder das nicht Verlängern vonArbeitsverhältnisses, bedingt durch die Auswirkungen von Corona, miterleben musste.

Es gab aber auch positive Effekte: Man lernt mit den digitalen Tools besser als vorher umzugehen, da durch Corona einfach alles digitaler geworden ist und man praktisch dazu gezwungen wurde, sich damit auseinanderzusetzen. Das hat mich auch dazu veranlasst (und nicht nur weil ich momentan einen Master in Digital Business und Innovation  absolviere) bzw. darum kam ich auch auf die Idee, das Unternehmen der InterCon UG, welches ich bereits seit längerem plane zu gründen, dem Trend anzupassen und es zu digitalisieren.

### Woran arbeitest Du?

Zu meinem Hintergrund: Ich bin schon seit langem in der Asyl-Rechtsberatung aktiv und legte meinen praktischen Schwerpunkt meiner juristischen Ausbildung u.a. im Bereich des Aufenthaltsrechtes, habe mehrere Jahre Kanzlei-Erfahrung und hoffe mein Staatsexamen dieses Jahr zu absolvieren.

Bei dem Start-up geht es darum, Unterstützung bei aufenthaltsrechtlichen Verfahren”, auch inklusive grenzübergreifende Visa-Verfahren, sowie gerichtlicher Verfahren zu leisten, theoretisch ist auch eine Ausweitung auf andere Gebiete möglich. Vor Corona ging es bei der Unternehmensidee mehr um den Aufbau eines  Coaching /Mentoring-Programmes, während und wegen Corona, hat sich dann die Idee der digitalen Verfahrensbegleitung ergeben, sprich: alles soll hauptsächlich digital ablaufen. Wir hoffen, dass wir das Projekt noch bis Ende 2021 auf die Beine stellen können, dann geb ich euch natürlich gerne auch Bescheid.  

Vom 1. Antrag bis hin zur Einbürgerung vergehen in den meisten Fällen mitunter 7 Jahre und in diesem langjährigen Prozess gibt es unheimlich viele Hürden für die Betroffenen, die dann froh sind, wenn sie auf diesem Weg unterstützt und beraten werden und nicht alleine mit ihren Herausforderungen stehen. Wichtig ist es, eine Verbindung zwischen den einzelnen Verfahrensschritten zu schaffen. Es ist zwar schön und gut  wenn es durch einen Visaservice eine Person ihren grenzübergreifenden Umzug realisiert konnte, aber dann bei Ankunft  realisieren muss, dass im Ankunftsland weitere bürokratische Hürden zur Realisierung einer langfristigen Perspektive im jeweiligen Land auf einen warten.

### Hat sich die Lage für die Betroffenen durch die Pandemie verändert?

Die Pandemie überschattet alles. Da weniger Flugzeuge fliegen und eine Überquerung einer Grenze momentan coronabedingt problematisch ist, hat das natürlich auch Auswirkungen auf die Migrationsbewegungen und die Bearbeitung der Visa-Vergabeverfahren. Leute kommen einfach schwieriger über die Grenzen (weil momentan einfach nicht gereist werden soll, nur wenn unbedingt notwendig) und darum verlangsamt sich alles - es pausiert und steht auf Stillstand oder bedeutet zumindest Verzögerungen in allen Prozessen und Verfahren.

Bezüglich des Rassismus erlebe ich persönlich in meinem direkten Freundeskreis geht es momentan weniger um Probleme wegen direkten Bedrohungen, sondern mehr um einen gespürten Anstieg des latent existierenden Rassismus im Job, innerhalb des Bewerbungsprozesses oder bei der Wohnungssuche. Ich kann aber nicht sagen, dass sich dies jetzt großartig zu vorher geändert hätte, nur weil der Fokus aktuell auf etwas Anderem liegt. Das ist ein größeres gesellschaftliches Problem, was nicht nur allein etwas mit den politischen Ansichten oder der Pandemie in Verbindung gebracht werden kann. Wir kenn das alle aus unserem Alltag, sogar Leuten, die nicht rassistisch sein wollen, kommt ja ab und an etwas über die Lippen, was beim Gegenüber - das anders kulturell geprägt ist - missverständlich  rüberkommen kann.

Wichtig ist, dass wir versuchen achtsamer zu sein und und das Beste aus der Situation mitzunehmen und so weit es geht unseren Beitrag für ein harmonisches Miteinander zu leisten, daran sollten wir uns nicht nur in Zeiten einer Pandemie sondern in jeder anderen Situation erinnern."
1,90134,2021-01-20T23:39:20.940Z,15236,0,9,8,2,0,0,51.8,90134,anon3794000569,anon3794000569,"### Wie geht es Dir?
 
Ich denke da auf 2 unterschiedlichen Ebenen: Wie geht es mir persönlich, also in meinem Privatleben & direktem Umfeld, und wie geht es mir als Bürgerin (Meta-Ebene)?
			
Auf der privaten Ebene geht es mir eigentlich gut. Wenn ich aber darüber nachdenke, was es mit mir macht, was generell in der Welt passiert, dann geht es mir tatsächlich häufig nicht so gut. Anfang des Jahres (noch vor Corona) hat sich bei mir ein Jobwechsel ergeben, welcher mit einem Umzug in ein anderes EU-Land verbunden war. Solche Veränderungen / der Beginn eines neuen Lebensabschnittes, branon3589994963n einen natürlich dazu, sein Leben generell zu überdenken und zu prüfen, ob man tatsächlich die richtige Entscheidung trifft. Man fragt sich: Was schätzt man in seinem privaten Umfeld? An seinen Freunden? An der Stadt in der man lebt? Wie und wo will man generell leben? Will man in einer Großstadt leben und Karriere machen oder sind vielleicht andere Danon3589994963 und Freizeit viel wichtiger?
Dann kam Corona und ich wurde mir darüber bewusst, wie gut es mir eigentlich geht. Andere verlieren gerade ihre Jobs oder müssen in Kurzarbeit gehen und ich habe das Glück, gleich 2 Job-Möglichkeiten zu haben. Daher habe ich umgedacht und diese Möglichkeit mehr als eine positive Herausforderung gesehen und nicht als etwas Negatives, was mir Sorgen bereiten sollte.

Ich merke aber, dass sich eine gewisse Schwere bei mir eanon3589994963schlichen hat. Einerseits privilegiert und glücklich darüber zu sein, einen festen Job und Freunde zu haben, in Zeiten in denen andere Menschen oder auch Bekannte, um ihre Existenz kämpfen. Andererseits aber auch beunruhigt zu sein, was gerade in unserer Gesellschaft passiert. Und das nicht erst seit diesem Jahr und Corona. Es sind Themen wie: was passiert auf der politischen Ebene gerade, das Klimathema, wo steuern wir als Konsumgesellschaft hin! Das alles bedrückt mich immer wieder.

### Welche Danon3589994963 kommen Dir da in den Sinn?

Erstes Thema ist Umwelt und Klima: ich sehe manchmal nicht, wie sich da gerade wirklich konstruktiv etwas ändern kann. So, dass der egoistische Mensch wirklich bereit ist zu handeln und dem etwas entgegenzusetzen /etwas zu bewirken. Dieses Thema frustriert mich und ich würde gerne positiver denken. Zweitens, die Sorge über die politische Polarisierung zwischen Links und Rechts. Drittens, der aufkommende Rassismus und Antisemitismus. Und und und.
Und meiner Meinung intensivieren sich viele Themen gerade durch die Pandemie noch mehr und werden von verschiedenen gesellschaftliche Gruppen besetzt und benutzt. Und ich mache mir wirklich Sorgen darüber, was das auf individueller und gesellschaftlicher Ebene auslösen wird. Und da sind wir wieder bei der Grundfrage: „Wie geht es Dir?“. Das kann ich so pauschal nicht beantworten. Da es mir wie gesagt privat gut geht, mir das was um mich rum passiert allerdings wiederum Sorge bereitet. Ich denke daher ich kann diese zwei Ebenen (PRIVAT & META) nicht voneinander trennen. Es ist wichtig auch zu beobachten, was um sich herum passiert.

### Wie geht es denn deinem Umfeld, was beobachtest Du?

Ich habe hier ganz Unterschiedliches gesehen: sowohl Freunde, die sehr konstruktiv und positiv damit umgegangen sind, aber dann auch wieder Leute, die gar keine Perspektive mehr gesehen haben und umdenken bzw. sich etwas komplett Neues überlegen und auch Hilfe vom Staat beantragen mussten.
Das „nicht planen können“ macht vielen in der aktuellen Situation zu schaffen. Darüber habe ich auch viel mit meinen Freunden gesprochen. Bis dato bin ich z.B. auch noch nicht umgezogen (den neuen Job mache ich vom Home Office aus) - es war dann kurzfristig wegen der neuen Reisebeschraenkungen doch nicht möglich und sinnvoll. Man kann einfach nichts planen. Keine Reisen, keine Kurztrips etc. Das fällt mir schwer.
Es gab in meiner Stadt ein paar schöne lokale Initiativen, die versucht haben Aufmerksamkeit zu erregen (z.B. wie können wir Cafés unterstützen z.B. durch den Online-Kauf von Kuchen, oder Initiativen, die für Pflegekräfte und Krankenhäuser Spenden eanon3589994963holt haben) - das gibt mir tatsächlich auch das Gefühl, sofort helfen zu wollen und bei den Initiativen mitzumachen. Vor allem auch weil ich durch Corona keinerlei Einbußen meines Gehalts hatte - im Gegenteil. Ich habe eher weniger ausgegeben, da man nicht mehr ausgegangen ist. Daher habe ich versucht, z.B. auch Restaurants zu unterstützen, indem ich mal mehr „To Go“ Essen bestellt habe, oder auch Freunde, die Crowdfunding Projekte ins Leben gerufen haben, um ihnen finanziell zu helfen.

### Worüber sprichst Du mit Deinen Freunden?

Alles mögliche. Es geht oft um Identitätsfragen zwischen Ost-DE und West-DE, Korruption, Rassismus und was kann man dem entgegen setzten, Klima ist ein großes Thema, Liebe und das Generelle: wie möchte man leben und wie kann man gesellschaftliche Prozesse umstellen? Aber es gibt auch Freunde, mit denen ich keine Lust habe, über solche Themen zu sprechen und mit denen ich dann eher Erlebnisse kreiere und in der Hängematte imGarten liege und über die schönen Danon3589994963 des Moments nachdenke. Das ist mir gerade für mein Wellbeing extrem wichtig, einfach auch mal rauszukommen und im Moment zu sein, über nichts nachdenken zu müssen.

Es gibt einfach mittlerweile so viele Themen mit denen man sich konfrontiert sieht und die einen hilflos gegenüber politischen und ökonomischen Strukturen fühlen lassen. Ich weiss manchmal nicht, wie man sich als Individuum verhalten kann oder reagieren soll. Denn nur weil man es selbst versucht richtig zu machen, heisst es ja nicht, dass es alle anderen richtig machen, ich möchte also nicht selbstgerecht sein. Dann heisst es „man kann nur bei sich anfangen..“, bottom-up, aber dieses Gefühl, es nicht unter Kontrolle zu haben und als Einzelner im System nicht wirklich was bewirken zu können, enttäuscht und macht mich hilflos. Manchmal will man vielleicht einfach auch gar nicht mehr wissen, was alles so schief läuft.. Man muss wohl für sein WELLBEING ab und zu auch mal Sachen ausblenden. Wir sind privilegiert, das überhaupt zu können in unserer Lebensrealität und uns auch nicht die ganze Zeit über mit diesen Danon3589994963n beschäftigen zu MÜSSEN.

Komplette Verdrängung ist aber nicht die Lösung. Das können wir uns gar nicht leisten. Und es ist auch nicht alles schlecht. Es gibt immer wieder Menschen, die auch wirklich etwas verändern wollen und mit positivem Beispiel voran gehen. Es ist wichtig das auch sichtbar zu machen, diesen Beispielen zu folgen und eine Plattform zu geben, um neue, interdisziplinäre Ansätze zu finden."
1,90015,2021-01-19T15:44:13.778Z,15225,0,9,8,2,0,0,41.8,90015,anon883692088,anon883692088,"***Birgit ist im Vertrieb im Bankensektor tätig und verantwortlich für Transaktionen in Milliarden-Höhe. In einer Welt die immer noch von Männern regiert wird! Sie erzählt uns wie sie damit klar kommt und was eine Frau mitbranon3589994963n muss um sich in dieser Welt zu behaupten. Ganz klar: Selbstbewusstsein und Durchhaltevermögen!***

### Wie ist es Dir in den letzten Monaten mit Corona ergangen?

Ich fühle mich OK. Es hat sich viel geändert – vor allem im Berufsleben. Es ist wesentlich herausfordernder als jemals zuvor. Dazu muss ich sagen, dass ich in einem Job arbeite, der hauptsächlich durch den direkten Kontakt mit Menschen funktioniert. Ich arbeite bei einer Amerikanischen Bank im Auslandsbüro in London im Vertrieb. Von insgesamt 20.000 Mitarbeitern arbeiten 2 davon im Hauptsitz von Europa und ich bin eine davon und dabei zuständig für den Markt Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz und Benelux-Staaten. Dabei kümmere ich mich um die Neukundenakquise (Kaltakquise) und schließe Transaktionen mit Großunternehmen ab, die einen Umsatz von ungefähr einer Milliarde haben. Und gerade wenn es um so hohe Beträge geht ist im Vertrieb der persönliche Kontakt das A und O. Das funktioniert über das Telefon oder über Video-Calls leider sehr schlecht. Es ist eine große Herausforderung. Die Kontakte sind nicht mehr so eng wie vorher. Mein Job lebt von legeren Veranstaltungen und Meetings, wo man sich trifft und alles persönlich bespricht. Viele Kollegen mit denen ich gesprochen habe sind frustriert. Der Kontakt übers Telefon läuft sehr schleppend. Und es stellt sich mittlerweile auf allen Seiten eine Telefon-Müdigkeit ein. Zudem kommt, dass in meinem Sektor ja hauptsächlich Männer arbeiten. Die sind es natürlich überhaupt nicht gewöhnt plötzlich in der familiären Umgebung mit schreienden Kindern im Home Office zu arbeiten. Da ich aufgrund meiner 1-jährigen Elternzeit erst im Oktober wieder in den Job zurück gegangen bin, musste ich mich erst einmal mit dieser neuen Situation auseinandersetzen und neue Strategien finden.    

### Du arbeitest in einer Welt die von Männern regiert wird. Wie bist Du zum Bankensektor und zu einem Job im Vertrieb gekommen?

Vertrieb ist grundsätzlich etwas, was mir total viel Spaß macht. Das Arbeiten mit Menschen ist mir sehr wichtig. Im Vertrieb hat man eine Aufgabe vor sich, da gibt es einen Kunden, den man akquirieren möchte. Man will die Transaktion abschließen und erfolgreich sein, eine langfristige Kundenbeziehung aufbauen. Und das ist es eben, was mir besonders gefällt und wo ich auch besondere Stärken mitbranon3589994963.

Ich habe von Anfang an ausschließlich mit Männern zusammengearbeitet. Das ist sehr herausfordernd. Aber man kann das auch positiv für sich nutzen. Man ist einfach anders. Und wenn es z.B. um größere Transaktionen geht und man mit 15 Männern am Tisch sitzt und man die einzige Bankerin ist, dann kann man das auch durchaus positiv für sich selbst nutzen. Ich bekomme natürlich immer die meiste Aufmerksamkeit, bin öfter im Mittelpunkt und jeder ist besonders höflich. Ich sehe das eher als “Alleinstellungsmerkmal Frau” und als eine positive Stärke, die man im Geschäftsleben nutzen kann. 

### Ist es Dir denn schon einmal passiert, dass Du als Frau unterschätzt wirst oder anders behandelt wirst?

Ja, definitiv! Das kommt sehr häufig vor. Oft werde ich in Conference-Calls oder bei Terminen einfach als die Sekretärin betitelt oder abgestempelt, weil ich eben die einzige Frau im Verteiler bin. Ich versuche dann trotzdem positiv zu bleiben, aufzuklären und vielleicht einen Gag daraus zu machen. Ich kann auch durchaus verstehen, dass das passieren kann. Der Bankensektor besteht nun mal zu mehr als 90 % aus Männern. Da kann dieser Irrtum automatisch entstehen. Männer in dieser Welt sind es einfach gewöhnt, dass eine Frau entweder eine Assistentin oder Sekretärin ist. Das muss man als Frau auch verstehen, sich nicht angegriffen fühlen und einfach aufklären, dass es nicht so ist.

Was natürlich auch immer wieder passiert ist folgendes: man ist mit allen zusammen auf einem Event, übernachtet im gleichen Hotel und bleibt als einzige Frau in der Runde übrig. Da kommt dann auch schon mal eine Nachricht aufs Handy mit der Zimmernummer. Hier muss man sicherlich eine dicke Haut haben und das gewisse Selbstbewusstsein mitbranon3589994963n. Viele Frauen die ich kenne, sind immer die ersten die nach Hause gehen, weil sie eben diesen Situationen aus dem Weg gehen wollen und sich davon verunsichern lassen. Ich persönlich lasse mich da nicht einschränken. Nicht jede Frau ist für diese Welt gemacht. Man muss wirklich viel Selbstbewusstsein mitbranon3589994963n und ich rede hier von echtem Selbstbewusstsein und nicht nur gespieltes. Ich kenne viele Frauen, die nur so tun als wären sie selbstbewusst oder ihre Weiblichkeit komplett verstecken, in diese Welt eintreten und mehr Mann als Frau sind. Sich nicht wie eine Frau herrichten, keinen Lippenstift und keine farblich herausstechende Kleidung tragen. Es ist leider heutzutage noch nicht möglich, sich als Frau zu behaupten. Frauen haben Angst und lassen sich einschüchtern. 

### Denkst Du, dass sich daran in Zukunft etwas ändern kann?

Also ich glaube es ist schon schwer. Ich denke, dass Veränderungen bedingt möglich sind, aber dazu gehören auch die Frauen. Frauen sollten aufhören ihre Weiblichkeit zu verstecken. Es ist Veränderung von beiden Seiten notwendig. Die Männerdomäne ist schon allein deswegen da, weil sie halt einfach ihre eigenen Themen haben. Im Bankenwesen kennt man sich eben schon 10,15, 20 Jahre und arbeitet seit vielen Jahren eng zusammen. Das ist eine eanon3589994963schworene Gemeinschaft. Da ist man als Frau eben einfach nur eine Randerscheinung. Das bleibt allerdings auch so, solange Frauen nicht anfangen auch ihr eigenes Ding zu machen und sich dessen bewusst werden was sie Wert sind und was sie können! Natürlich gibt es auch Gruppen von Frauen und Netzwerke, die sich zusammentun. Aber das ist dann nur wieder einen Gegenveranstaltung zu den Männern. Es ist immer entweder das eine oder das andere. Ich finde beide Extreme nicht gut. Die Mischung daraus würde beiden Seiten Vorteile branon3589994963n. 

### Welchen Ratschlag würdest Du Frauen geben, die in einer Welt arbeiten, die von Männern regiert wird?

Wenn man in diesem Beruf arbeiten will, muss man sich als Frau von Anfang an bewusst machen, dass die aktuelle Situation nun mal so ist. Es ist noch immer eine Männerdomäne. Sie erlaubt zwar Frauen dort mitzumischen, aber man muss seine eigene Position finden und diese dann auch selbstbewusst vertreten. Wissen für was man steht, seine eigenen Vorteile leben und auch ausnutzen. Eine Frau zu sein, bringt ja auch frischen Wind in die Geschichte. Man soll sich ruhig trauen Frau zu sein und sich nicht hinter den Männern verstecken sondern sagen „ich bin hier verantwortlich und niemand sonst!“. Man muss selbstbewusst sein und eben nicht einfach nur so tun als ob. 

Wichtig ist auch immer das Gleiche einzufordern. Man ist in diesem Job wegen der  Qualifianon3213561856ion. Aber zu 90 % würde die Frau wahrscheinlich trotzdem sagen, sie ist für den Job nicht geeignet, obwohl sie das mit Sicherheit ist.

Ich habe hier ein kleines Beispiel: bei meiner Bank wurde eine Stelle in New York ausgeschrieben und ich habe das Profil nicht komplett erfüllt. Mein Chef fragte mich, warum ich mich nicht beworben hätte. Daraufhin antwortete ich ihm, dass ich nur 3 der 5 ausgeschriebenen Kriterien erfülle. Daraufhin sagte er mir: „Wissen Sie eigentlich wie viele Männer sich auf den Job beworben haben die maximal 2 der Kriterien erfüllen? Ich möchte nie wieder hören, dass Sie sich auf einen Job nicht bewerben nur weil sie eine Frau sind!“ Frauen denken grundsätzlich, dass sie weniger Wert sind. Und das ist falsch!

### Passiert es einem als selbstbewusste Frau dann nicht auch oft nur auf das „sexuelle“ reduziert zu werden?

Ja natürlich kann das passieren. Und ich verstehe auch durchaus dass sich manche Frauen in dieser Welt dann auch lieber verstecken. Natürlich hat es bei mir viel verändert als ich dann verheiratet war und einen Ring am Fanon3589994963r hatte. Ich war mit Anfang 30 bereits in meiner Position und da ist man natürlich schon auch mal den älteren Männern um die 50 stark ausgeliefert. Das kann viele jüngere Frauen die in den Beruf kommen und Karriere machen wollen durchaus einschüchtern. Ein gewisses Maß an Anstand herrscht hier trotzdem. Man bekommt zwar die Nummer zugesteckt, aber es wird einen sicherlich keiner dazu zwanon3589994963n mit aufs Zimmer zu kommen. Man muss lernen darauf dann auch entsprechend zu antworten und es nicht einfach so unter den Tisch kehren. Aber klar: es gibt viele Frauen die in dieser Situation schockiert sind und nicht wissen was sie machen sollen. 

### Und denkst Du, dass Frauen z.B. hinsichtlich Gehalt und / oder Position diskriminiert werden?

Im Vertrieb auf jeden Fall! In den meisten Unternehmen könnte ich jetzt meinen Job nicht mehr machen. Ich habe ein Kind, eine Familie und kann natürlich weniger reisen als vorher. Reisen ist ein wichtiger Bestandteil meines Jobs. Wenn ich mich jetzt also woanders bewerben würde, bin ich mir sicher, dass ich große Probleme hätte. Man weiß halt einfach, dass eine Mutter aus ihrer Rolle nicht raus kann. Selbst wenn ein Mann der sich auf den gleichen Job bewirbt weniger effektiv oder produktiv ist, nimmt man immer noch lieber den Mann als die Mutter, da heutzutage einfach Anwesenheit mehr zählt als Effektivität und Effizienz. Daran muss einfach noch viel gearbeitet werden. 

In UK (und auch anderen europäischen Ländern) hat man den Vorteil, dass Kinderbetreuung schon ab jüngstem Alter normal ist und auch akzeptiert wird. Frauen gehen schneller in den Beruf zurück – meist schon nach 6 Monaten. In Deutschland ist das natürlich anders. Man muss sich als Mutter allerdings klar machen, dass man keine schlechte Mutter ist nur weil man nach einem Jahr schon wieder arbeiten geht. Hier muss sich also auch die Denkweise der Frauen ändern. 

Als Frau arbeitet man am Anfang vielleicht weniger Stunden, aber wesentlich effizienter – denn man muss in dieser Zeit ja trotzdem alles geregelt bekommen. Meine Chefin in den USA ist z.B. nach 9 Wochen wieder zurück in den Job. Hier war auch ganz klar: wenn sie weiterhin etwas erreichen will, dann muss das sein. In diesem Fall hat man halt eine Vollzeit-Nanny zu Hause und gibt gleich wieder Vollgas. 
Einer anderen Kollegen in Deutschland passierte folgendes: sie wollte nach dem Mutterschutz wieder zurück in ihren Job, allerdings anfangs nur in Form einer 4-Tage-Woche. Man legte ihr ans Herz, sich doch lieber einen anderen Job zu suchen. Das ist mehr als ungerecht. In Deutschland wirst du einfach nicht mehr richtig ernst genommen wenn du nach dem Mutterschutz wieder in den Job gehst. Du wirst nicht mehr richtig integriert und musst ggf. sogar Hilfsarbeiten machen. Eine sehr große Ungerechtigkeit. Denn man fühlt sich unterfordert. Man wird aufs Abstellgleis gestellt obwohl man doch genauso intelligent und gut vernetzt ist wie vor der Schwangerschaft. Es hängt einfach das Damoklesschwert der Familie über einem. 

Vielleicht ist hier Corona allerdings auch eine Chance! Man ist inzwischen durch die ganzen „Lockdowns“ gewohnt von zu Hause aus zu arbeiten. Das hilft Müttern natürlich enorm. Denn man hat inzwischen auch immer mehr die Flexibilität einfach nochmal um 19:00 Abends an den PC zu gehen und zu arbeiten. Das Home Office (was sich sicherlich auch nach Corona noch durchsetzen wird, weil man einfach die vielen Vorteile darin gesehen hat) sehe ich daher hauptsächlich auch als Chance für Frauen die Familie haben."
1,89992,2021-01-18T23:21:20.234Z,15220,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,89992,anon646983343,anon646983343,"### Wie geht es Dir mit der aktuellen Situation und welche Auswirkungen hatte Corona auf Dein Unternehmen?

Ich habe schon vor längerer Zeit die Entscheidung getroffen, dass ich mich nur über Sachen aufrege, die ich selbst ändern kann. Das gibt mir eine gute Selbstwirksamkeit.

Corona hat natürlich alle unverhofft getroffen, und vor allem in dem Geschäftsfeld, in dem ich arbeite - Co-Working & Veranstaltung von Events - musste man stark umdenken / umorganisieren.

Wir machen aus Zitronen, Zitronensaft und Zitronenkuchen.

Das heisst, wir haben neue Chancen und Geschäftsbereiche erschlossen und bieten vermehrt Beratungen (Gründungsberatung) an, und weniger die Organisation von Events vor Ort. Natürlich ist aber auch der Eventbereich nicht vollkommen lahm gelegt - wir sehen uns jetzt nur mehr als eine digitale Eventagentur. Denn die Anfragen „kann ich mein Event trotzdem irgendwie umsetzten?“ sind natürlich trotzdem noch da. Dabei hilft natürlich auch die Digitalisierung. Und ermöglicht zudem die Erschließung neuer Kunden. Digitale Events ermöglichen vor allem Personen, die nicht lange anreisen können, trotzdem mit dabei zu sein. Das heisst, auch wenn diese Zeit vorbei ist, werden wir dieses neue Hybrid-Modell beibehalten und zusätzlich die digitale Komponente berücksichtigen.

Auch in Bezug auf das Co-Wirkung eröffnet der Trend zur Digitalisierung neue Türen. Viele Arbeitnehmer sind inzwischen gewöhnt, nicht mehr im Büro zu arbeiten und wurden dementsprechend auch von den Unternehmen daraufhin ausgestattet (mobiles Arbeiten möglich machen / digitale Ausstattung der Arbeitnehmer). Auch in Zukunft werden viele Unternehmen diese Art zu arbeiten beibehalten, da es einfach in vielen Bereichen zu mehr Effizienz geführt hat und sich die Arbeitnehmer diese „Freiheit“ auch nicht mehr nehmen lassen wollen. Durch diese Veränderungen in der Arbeitswelt können unsere Services (Co-Working Spaces überall auf der Welt) auch erst richtig in Anspruch genommen werden. Man kann flexibel entscheiden, in welchem der vielen Spaces auf der Welt man arbeiten möchte und die technische Ausstattung dafür ist gegeben.

Wir haben damit ein Geschäftsmodell geschaffen, das trotz Corona gut funktioniert - und finanziell gesehen, war das letzte Jahr sogar eines der besten seit Unternehmensgründung.

### Als Hub seid ihr ja täglich mit vielen in Kontakt, was nimmst Du in eurem Umfeld wahr?

Die Überforderung bei den Menschen, gerade durch die ganzen Auswirkungen von Corona, sind natürlich deutlich zu spüren. Eine der Aufgaben des Impact Hubs ist somit auch, den Leuten die Selbstsicherheit wieder zu geben und ihnen zu vermitteln, dass sie immer selbst bestimmten können, was gut für sie ist. Und sehr wichtig ist es, auch mal „NEIN“ sagen zu können. Man muss nicht sofort und vor allem nicht immer funktionieren - man muss sich gesunde Grenzen setzen. Das bedeutet Abstand wahren, wenn du Abstand wahren willst. Das bedeutet auch, anderen zeigen zu können, dass man Abstand wünscht. Urlaub und Erholung ist wichtig. Man kann sich feste Arbeitszeiten einplanen und muss sich Kästchen bauen für Projekte, die einem wichtig sind (z.B. die Weltrettung). Neben den Kästchen „Arbeit“, muss es aber auch Kästchen für Sport, gesunde Ernährung, den Austausch mit Freunden, Hobbys u.s.w. geben. Das alles hilft, uns nicht zu überfordern.

### Gibt es für diese Perspektiven mehr Zuspruch, oder muss heutzutage immer noch gegen traditionellere Vorstellungen ankämpfen?

Der Trend geht auf jeden Fall in Richtung „Mindfulness“ und „mehr auf sich Acht geben“. Und die Institutionen, die das fördern wollen, werden auch immer mehr. Teilweise mangelt es jedoch noch ein bisschen an Tools, Methoden und vor allem an der Haltung. Die Haltung hat auch viel mit der Geschichte und dem Generationskonflikt zu tun. Früher wurde halt mal 80 Stunden gearbeitet, bis man sich dann irgendwann die Krankschreibung holen musste

Ich denke, es dauert noch ein paar Jahre, bis diese „neue Art zu Arbeiten“ verinnerlicht und akzeptiert wird. Und die Neiddebatte der früheren Generation ein Ende hat und von dem Gedanken los lässt „Hey, wieso soll die neue Generation das haben, was unsere Generation nicht hatte?“. Diese tiefe Unzufriedenheit der früheren Generation und das nicht Aufarbeiten ist der Kernpunkt. Das muss die heutige Generation auch verstehen und ein bisschen Verständnis für die ältere Generation aufbranon3589994963n. Aber das war ja im Laufe der Geschichte immer wieder so. Das ist ja nichts Neues.

### Wo findest Du persönlich denn Deinen Halt? Was ist Dein Rückzugsraum?

Familie steht für mich an 1. Stelle. Meiner Familie muss es gut gehen und wenn es ihr nicht gut geht, dann muss ich daran als erstes arbeiten.

Ich habe vor meinem eigenen Unternehmertum mit einigen älteren Menschen gesprochen, die erfolgreich zu sein schienen. Ich wollte wissen, was sie erfolgreich gemacht hat und was sie im Rückblick anders machen würden, wenn sie nochmals anfangen könnten. Bei der Antwort ging es weniger darum, was sie falsch gemacht haben. Es ging vielmehr darum, dass sie es bereuen, zu wenig Zeit mit den Kindern verbracht zu haben. Diesen Vorwurf will ich mir später auf keinen Fall machen. Ich verbranon3589994963 viel Zeit mit ihnen.

Was mir dabei auch hilft, ist ein geregelter Tagesablauf. Vor allem auch durch meine Tochter. Und sie steht immer an erster Stelle. Denn wenn ich nicht funktioniere, dann kann ich auch langfristig niemand anderem helfen. Deswegen muss ich mir Freiheiten nehmen, die auch OK sind. Durch meine Erfahrung aus sehr stressigen Zeiten meiner Karriere, die mit viel Verantwortung verbunden waren (das Bauen von sicherheitsrelevanten Objekten wie Flugzeugen) und letztendlich zu einem Burnout geführt haben, habe ich gelernt, meine Kästchen für alles zu bauen und mir Rückzugsräume zu schaffen.

Das bedeutet auch, mich regelmäßig mit meinen Eltern auszutauschen, Freunde zu treffen, Fussball zu schauen und nicht mehr als wirklich notwendig zu arbeiten. Natürlich gibt es auch bei mir mal stressige Phasen in der Arbeit oder Ausnahmen, die mich aufwachen lassen, weil ich eine coole Idee habe und diese einfach mal Nachts spontan runter schreiben will. Aber ich weiss, mit meiner Ressource Zeit gut umzugehen

### Worauf freust Du Dich am Meisten, wenn Corona vorbei ist?

Reisen. Ich will alle unseren 100 Impact Hubs in der Welt besuchen. Die echten Menschen dahinter live sehen und nicht nur in einem Bildschirmausschnitt. Events wieder real machen. Türen wieder öffnen zu können, Leute wieder an einen Ort zusammen branon3589994963n. Auch im echten Leben. Das ist das, was Spass macht.

Einfach Abends in eine Kneipe gehen und spontan ein Bierchen mit Freunden trinken zu gehen. Das hat mich persönlich jetzt nicht so hart getroffen, weil ich ohnehin als Familienvater bereits einen anderen Lebensstil habe und generell Abends weniger raus gehe. Ich hatte daher Glück, dass mich das alles nicht in meinem Mittzwanziger-Lebensabschnitt getroffen hat. Ich glaube gerade bei Personen, die sich in diesem Lebensabschnitt befinden, geht gerade sehr viel Lebensqualität verloren. Aber gleichzeitig finde ich es auch toll, dass diese Leute mal so eine Erfahrung machen dürfen. Wir haben 70 Jahre Frieden in Europa, so eine Extremsituation haben viele Leute noch nie erlebt.

Was mich vor Corona wirklich gestört hat, war die Selbstverständlichkeit, mit der Sachen einfach als gegeben hanon3589994963nommen wurden. Und der Mangel an Dankbarkeit.
Daher meine Meinung: mal so ein Jahr als Lebensphase, in der alle merken, das Alles von heute auf morgen weg und vorbei sein kann und Vergänglichkeit ein Thema ist, mit dem man sich wirklich mal auseinandersetzen muss, kann sogar hilfreich sein. Einfach mal eine Bucket List erstellen, mit all den Danon3589994963n, die man auf jeden Fall noch erleben will, Orte, die man unbedingt noch gesehen haben muss - und diese Liste dann auch schnell abzuarbeiten, wenn es wieder möglich ist. Das Leben feiern und darüber dankbar sein, dass man es erleben darf. Ich finde das alles ist eine wertvolle Übung für uns als Gesellschaft."
1,53394,2019-05-13T16:03:38.816Z,9891,3,27,26,64,0,0,400.4,53394,anon3379710332,anon3379710332,"<image here> 
 

2012 wohnte ich ein Jahr lang in Deutschland. Im Vorfeld meines Umzugs von London nach Berlin freute ich mich sehr darauf: Ich hatte eine interessante Arbeitsstelle an der Humboldt Universität gekriegt und eine Wohnung neben dem Mauerpark gefunden; Ich konnte schon nicht schlecht deutsch sprechen und hatte bereits ein paar guter Freunde in der Stadt. Das einzige, was mir Sorgen machte, war wie ich mit dem deutschen Gesundheitssystem zurechtkommen sollte. Im Jahre 2011 musste ich zweimal mit einem Nierenstein-Angriff zum Krankenhaus in London gehen. (Das war mein dritter Besuch insgesamt.) Das Krankenhaus war nur ein paar hundert Meter von meiner Wohnung entfernt und mein Partner konnte mich deshalb ganz schnell mit unserem Auto dorthin branon3589994963n. Ab dem zweiten Besuch konnten die Ärzte meine Krankenakten angucken, mich sofort diagnostizieren und mir die nötigen Schmerzmittel maximaler Stärke verabreichen. Aber in Berlin war das nächste Krankenhaus zwei Kilometer von der neuen Wohnung entfernt. Ich wusste nicht, wie man einen Krankenwagen anruft, oder ob ein Nierenstein-Angriff sogar ernst genug wäre, um einen Krankenwagen zu rechtfertigen. Ich wusste nicht, ob Patienten in deutschen Rettungsstellen in derselben Reihenfolge wie in England behandelt werden. Ich wusste nicht, ob ich für die Behandlung würde bezahlen müssen. Ich wusste nicht, ob ich den Ärzten erklären könnte, was mit mir los ist – und sie überzeugen, mir Schmerzmittel der gleichen Stärke wie in England zu verabreichen! Und ich konnte schon gut deutsch sprechen. Ich könnte mir nur vorstellen, wie erschreckend es sein muss, in einem Krankenhaus in einem fremden Land zu sein, ohne den Ärzten seine Symptomen erklären zu können – besonders wenn kein automatisches Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung besteht. Schlussendlich hatte ich in Berlin keinen Nierenstein-Angriff und brauchte nicht deswegen ins Krankenhaus zu gehen. Aber damals hatte ich, als EU-Bürger, zumindest die gleichen Rechte auf Gesundheitsversorgung wie Deutsche. Wenn ich nächstes Jahr, wie geplant, zurück nach Berlin umziehe, wird Großbritannien wahrscheinlich aus der EU ausgetreten sein, und ich werde in Deutschland kein automatisches Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung mehr haben. Das macht mir Sorgen.
* Sollten Migranten/innen immer das Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben?
* Sollte die Regierung des Ursprungslands für die Gesundheit ihrer Bürger auch im Ausland verantwortlich sein?
* Wenn Migranten/innen kein automatisches Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben, welche andere Netzwerke können sie nutzen?"
2,53441,2019-05-14T11:42:29.063Z,9891,0,21,20,2,1,0,14.2,53394,anon2446385507,anon3379710332,"[quote=""anon3379710332, post:1, topic:9891""]
Wenn ich nächstes Jahr, wie geplant, zurück nach Berlin umziehe, wird Großbritannien wahrscheinlich aus der EU ausgetreten sein, und ich werde in Deutschland kein automatisches Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung mehr haben. Das macht mir Sorgen.
[/quote]

Dies ist in der Tat besorgniserregend. Hast du in Berlin nach Gruppen gesucht, die Hilfe anbieten? 

Ich erinnere mich an diese Geschichte in Edgeryders aus einer früheren Zeit, in der Menschen Nothilfegruppen fanden, um in Krisenzeiten Hilfe zu leisten. Dies galt jedoch insbesondere für Flüchtlanon3589994963 oder Obdachlose. Eine solche Gruppe reiste [von Calais bis nach Serbien.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/emergency-mutual-aid/6437) Die andere für Obdachlose heißt [Street Nurses](https://edgeryders.eu/t/street-nurses-get-off-the-street-its-possible/734) und ist in Brüssel sehr erfolgreich.

Ist es möglich, dass wir nach dem Brexit in eine Situation europäischer Flüchtlanon3589994963 geraten?!"
3,53442,2019-05-14T11:46:38.629Z,9891,0,10,9,0,0,0,2.0,53394,anon2446385507,anon3379710332,"anon3379710332, I took the liberty to add a few tags to your post, makes it more searchable. Add others if you thing they suit better..

(this message is only visible to us - Toggle Whisper option in the comment editor fyi)"
5,53506,2019-05-15T00:00:52.889Z,9891,1,18,17,1,1,0,28.6,53394,anon2867672406,anon3379710332,"Wow, ich wußte nicht, daß @anon2446385507 auch Deutsch spricht!

@anon3379710332,  

[quote=""anon3379710332, post:1, topic:9891""]
Sollten Migranten/innen immer das Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben?
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Normalerwise, wenn die Staatsbürgern dieses Recht haben, es ist nicht zu schwer an der Migranten/innen es zu erweitern. In Italien, das Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung ist theoretisch absolut: es wird gewährt sogar der illegalen Migranten. Ich bin nicht sicher, was praktisch passiert."
6,53510,2019-05-15T08:00:45.629Z,9891,0,18,17,1,0,0,8.6,53506,anon3379710332,anon2867672406,Das was früher auch der Fall in Großbritannien aber leider nicht mehr: [www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/13/nhs-denied-treatment-for-migrants-who-cant-afford-upfront-charges](http://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/13/nhs-denied-treatment-for-migrants-who-cant-afford-upfront-charges)
7,53679,2019-05-20T11:54:58.679Z,9891,0,18,17,1,0,0,8.6,53394,anon95046639,anon3379710332,"@anon3379710332 Danke für deine Geschichte! Ich bin absolute der Meinung dass Gesundheitssysteme besser zusammenarbeiten müssen um sich den modernen Migrationsbewegungen anzupassen. Internationale Anpassung und Finanzierung von Sozialstaatlichen und Gesundheitssystemen ist ein Problem mit dem wir uns beschäftigen müssen!

Neben der Frage der Finanzierung dir du so gut artikuliert hast stellt sich auch die der Konsistenz der Behandlung, Dokumentation und Medikamentierung.

Ich bin von Deutschland nach Großbritannien und dann nach Schweden gezogen und in jedem Land musste ich zu einer anderen Verhütungspille wechseln da, obwohl die gleichen Pharma Firmen aktive sind, die gleichen Präparate in verschiedenen Ländern nicht erhältlich sind oder nur unter bestimmten Bedingung verschrieben werden können. Der unnötige Wechsel eines Medikaments bedeutet immer enormen stress für den Körper. Darüber hinaus ist es problematisch für jeden Migranten eine lückenlose Krankheitsgeschichte zu dokumentieren und schwierig mit Vorsorgeuntersuchungen und Impfungen auf dem neuesten Stand zu bleiben wenn man viel umzieht. Dies macht migration selbst unter den besten Bedingungen zum Gesundheitsrisiko.

Das deutsche Krankenkassensystem ist darüber hinaus vermutlich besonders unübersichtlich und verwirrend für Neuankömmlanon3589994963n wegen der Unterteilung in Gesetzliche und Private Kassen die zu großen unterschieden in Preisen und Behandlungsangeboten führen können. Migranten die Teil dieses systems werden wollen oder müssen da ihnen unter derzeitigen internationalen Regelungen die Versorgung fehlt bräuchten also unabhängige Beratungsstellen die ihnen helfen würden den richtigen Plan zu wählen."
8,69687,2020-01-31T15:25:34.639Z,9891,1,13,12,1,1,0,72.6,53394,anon2210371901,anon3379710332,"[quote=""anon3379710332, post:1, topic:9891""]
* Sollten Migranten/innen immer das Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben?
* Sollte die Regierung des Ursprungslands für die Gesundheit ihrer Bürger auch im Ausland verantwortlich sein?
* Wenn Migranten/innen kein automatisches Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben, welche andere Netzwerke können sie nutzen?
[/quote]

Hallo @anon3379710332,
die Diskussion ist schon ziemlich alt, aber ich wollte trotzdem etwas dazu sagen.
Ich wusste nämlich gar nicht, dass man hier in Deutschland als Nicht-EU-Bürger kein Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung genießt. Ehrlich gesagt finde ich das eine Frechheit und macht mich sehr betroffen.
Ich hielt mein Heimatland immer für sehr fortschrittlich und offen. Diesen Umgang finde ich aber einfach nur bedauernswert.
Ich habe gerade auch noch einmal nachgelesen und mit Erschrecken festgestellt, dass das Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung kein allgemeines Menschenrecht ist. Meiner Meinung nach sollte es das aber sein!
Wünschenswert wäre es, wenn das Recht auf medizinische Hilfe ein Menschenrecht wäre.
Dann wäre auch jedes Land ein wenig mehr in der Verantwortung auf eine angemessene medizinische Versorgung ALLER Menschen zu achten, die sich gerade dort aufhalten.
Ich verstehe also deine Sorgen diesbezüglich absolut.
Meine Kenntnisse reichen nur leider nicht, um aus dem Stegreif zusagen, welche Netwerke nutzbar wären.
Eigentlich gibt es ja den hippokratischen Eid, den Mediziner abgelegt haben... in Notfällen sollte eine Versorgung also gewährleistet sein... oder?"
9,72456,2020-03-25T14:41:51.342Z,9891,0,11,10,1,1,0,7.2,53394,anon95046639,anon3379710332,"Hallo, im angesicht der derzeitigen Ereignisse ist diese conversation wieder umso aktueller.

Wie geht das gesundheitssystem im Krisenzustand mit Menschen um die nicht vollständig in ihre gesundheitssystem integriert sind?

[quote=""anon2210371901, post:8, topic:9891""]
* Sollten Migranten/innen immer das Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben?
* Sollte die Regierung des Ursprungslands für die Gesundheit ihrer Bürger auch im Ausland verantwortlich sein?
* Wenn Migranten/innen kein automatisches Recht auf Gesundheitsversorgung im neuen Land haben, welche andere Netzwerke können sie nutzen?
[/quote]
 Wie beantworten wir die Fragen anon3379710332s im momentanen Notfallzustand?

Können andere die jests in ""Nichtursprungsländernd"" im lockdown sind ihre Geschichten teilen wie gerade mit ihnen umgegangen wird?"
10,72457,2020-03-25T14:45:20.488Z,9891,0,7,6,0,0,0,1.4,53394,anon95046639,anon3379710332,"@anon3379710332, @anon2661411812  and @anon2446385507, I think this might be a good older post to bring back to the front in the current situation. How should we do that technically? Add a new tagg?"
11,72459,2020-03-25T15:13:20.531Z,9891,0,7,6,0,0,0,16.4,72457,anon781457888,anon95046639,put in a tag no?
12,72463,2020-03-25T15:43:08.185Z,9891,0,7,6,0,0,0,1.4,72459,anon95046639,anon781457888,was not sure which tagg. thank you
13,72492,2020-03-25T19:34:51.552Z,9891,0,7,6,0,0,0,31.4,72457,anon2661411812,anon95046639,"Tags don't do much for visibility on this platform … because basically nobody has subscribed to them. Adding a new comment like you did is a good way, though. It will make the topic appear again at the top of the category list, including in the excerpt from that list shown on the frontpage. It will also show the topic in people's ""New"" list (if they subscribed or have been mentioned or read for some time) and ""Latest"" lists (not sure who looks there though). Other options include to mention the topic in a new summary / link topic, similar to the one you wrote some days ago."
14,91388,2021-02-09T10:20:14.668Z,9891,1,4,3,1,0,0,40.8,53394,anon2508546620,anon3379710332,"Hallo zusammen,
wie schon angemerkt, ist der Beitrag schon etwas älter, aber es ist wohl so, dass die Europäischen Krankenkarten EHIC auch noch nach dem Brexit bis zu ihrem ursprünglichen Verfallsdatum gültig sind (das hat die Regierung und London dann wohl doch für ganz wertvoll erachtet).

Muss man in dieser Diskussion nicht zwischen Notfallbetreuung und medizinischer Versorgung per se unterscheiden? 
Ich bin immer davon ausgegangen, dass man einen Krankenwagen rufen muss, wenn etwas passiert, und eben nicht nachfragt, ob die Person in Not irgendwie versichert ist. Alles andere wäre doch unterlassen Hilfeleistung, oder?

Ich hatte zweimal die Erfahrung, bei einem Notruf in England dabei zu sein und fand es ziemlich erschreckend, wie lange das alles gedauert hat. Man muss sich schon darauf verlassen können, dass wenn man Hilfe ruft, die auch dann schnell kommt. 
Das erste mal war bei einem Fußballturnier- unsere Spielerin hat sich ernsthaft in der ersten Hälfte des Spiels verletzt und nach der zweiten Halbzeit war der Rettungswagen immer noch nicht da, und am Ende ist sie mit einem Taxi ins Krankenhaus gefahren. 
Das zweite Mal ist ein alter Herr Mitten in London auf der Straße umgekippt und keiner hat sich zuständig gefühlt. Ich habe einen anderen Passanten angesprochen, dass er mir mit dem Notruf-Telefonat hilft- ich dachte, dass man in so einem Fall, sofort Hilfe holen muss, war aber mit dem englischen System für Notrufe (warum genau gibt es da zwei Nummern?) überfordert und habe den Dialekt am Telefon nicht verstanden (und mein Englisch ist gut). Am Ende war das Gespräch, ob jetzt ein Krankenwagen los geschickt wird so lang, dass der alte Herr, der mittlerweile wie ein Häufchen Elend auf einer Bank saß, meinte, es sei schon in Ordnung, er würde hier einfach sitzen, bis es ihm besser geht. 
Ehrlich gesagt, habe ich mehr Vertrauen in das deutsche Gesundheitssystem als das englische. Aber vielleicht ist das auch nur das Ergebnis davon, dass ich eben darin aufgewachsen bin. Es gibt definitiv auch Danon3589994963, die in England besser funktionieren als in Deutschland und dieser NHS-Patriotismus ist wirklich faszinierend."
15,91594,2021-02-11T10:18:15.230Z,9891,0,3,2,1,1,0,5.6,91388,anon1921414910,anon2508546620,"[quote=""anon2508546620, post:14, topic:9891""]
Ich bin immer davon ausgegangen, dass man einen Krankenwagen rufen muss, wenn etwas passiert, und eben nicht nachfragt, ob die Person in Not irgendwie versichert ist. Alles andere wäre doch unterlassen Hilfeleistung, oder?
[/quote]

Das hätte ich auch so gesagt - gerade in einer Notsituation. Ich erinnere mich noch an einen Bekannten, der kam aus einem anderen EU-Land in dem man (soweit ich das richtig verstanden habe) automatisch Zugang zu den gleichen medizinischen Leistungen hat, solange man registriert ist. Er meinte aber, dass dies in Deutschland nicht so sei, dass zwar (fast) jeder in Deutschland krankenversichert ist, dies aber z.T. auch daher kommt, dass es aufgrund der Allgemeinen Krankenversicherungspflicht in der persönlichen Verantwortung liegt, eine Krankenversicherung zu haben, und dass man ansonsten eine Strafe risikiert.

Ich wohne in Spanien, und hier ist das glaube ich ähnlich - da ich hier gemeldet bin und auch ins Gesundheitssystem einzahle, bin ich (natürlich?) so gut abgedeckt wie jede andere auch. Ich glaube aber, dass das Gesundheitssystem sogar Menschen abdeckt, die nicht einzahlen, und ehrlich gesagt bin ich da froh darüber. Ich möchte nicht in einem Land leben, in dem wir erst auf die Nationalität oder den finanziellen Beitrag einer Person schauen, bevor wir ihr medizinische Hilfe (vor allem im Notfall) anbieten."
1,89649,2021-01-11T11:52:35.160Z,15184,0,19,18,1,0,0,38.8,89649,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"### Wellbeing in Europe is entering its 3rd year, with a community of more than 300 contributors ! In 2021, this is where we welcome new community members from Poland, Serbia, Czechia, Germany and from all over Europe. A warm welcome from the team, here are our stories :-)


### @anon3353600255 - in Prague

Researcher at Charles University, Prague. Tries to understand how people think and talk to each other to be able to do it better himself.
https://edgeryders.eu/t/lekaruv-pacient-nebo-pacientuv-lekar/9893.

### @anon

Bojan comes from an academic and business background. Since 2020, he's providing community support and team management support.


### @anon1836820155 - in Warsaw

Community manager. Has ''a background in journalism, social activism, tech and art, so I enjoy the multidisciplinarity of the Edgeryders a lot.''
https://edgeryders.eu/t/witam-wszystkich/14417. 

### @anon1921414910 - in Barcelona/ Germany

Community manager!
https://edgeryders.eu/t/im-new-here/13070.

### @anon2649858692mi - Belgium/ Romania

Community manager!
https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369. 

### @anon

A cultural anthropologist studying healthcare and health communication. Here also to support ethnographic work within the POPREBEL project. 

### @anon

Engineer and designer, Nadia is a co-founder of Edgeryders and leads the team in community outreach and engagement.


### @anon2979239943 - UK/USA 

An anthropologist with a research focus on the social impacts of digital technologies. Has extensive ethnographic research experience both online and offline, in both public and private sector, focusing on the power of participatory communities to facilitate transparent, efficient solutions to public problems."
3,89657,2021-01-11T12:20:33.628Z,15184,0,8,7,0,0,0,1.6,89649,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,"hi anon2649858692mi, I have some server issue with Matrix, already reported to Matthias"
4,89735,2021-01-12T09:26:46.064Z,15184,2,11,10,2,0,0,67.2,89649,anon1852866827,anon2446385507,"**Send a short message to introduce yourself!** <br /> My name is anon1852866827 Popov, from little village in Serbia. I am 37 years old. Single mom, worker, farmer, artist. Bit of everyting. Trying to save the village, to keep the nature clean and alive. Trying to live life on my way and to leave a mark in this big world, for future generations.Love nature, very much. Love my village, and feeling sad because of the situation we have now. I really hope that I will find a way to keep young people's to stay. I really hope for changes, that we will finally realize that we need to get back to good track of our life's on Earth.
Love photography, love to catch the moments. On my way.  <br /><br />"
5,89736,2021-01-12T09:31:43.465Z,15184,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,89735,anon2446385507,anon1852866827,"Hello @anon1852866827, it is great to meet you! 
Looking forward to read your story and connect you with other people, and appreciate that you were willing to write in English.
In any case, feel free to use Serbian whenever you want on the platform. Most community members are not English native speakers anyway. We use English to understand each other, but we respect everyone's language. If needed, we will use Google translation to 'read' you :-)"
6,89749,2021-01-12T11:26:56.532Z,15184,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,89649,anon1852866827,anon2446385507," I am happy because of this opportunity,it means a lot to '' my '' story.I will work on my english knowledge, it used to be better a few years ago. English, Hungarian and Serbian, somehow we will understand each other :wink:."
7,89789,2021-01-12T22:27:44.157Z,15184,2,10,9,1,0,0,62.0,89735,anon2030884241,anon1852866827,"Hi @anon1852866827!
This is perhaps my very first post here on Edgeryders after hanging around here since 2018.
I just write to say that I really liked your post in [Wellbeing in Europe](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/308). Well written and such an important story to share. So thank you."
8,89792,2021-01-13T07:19:28.578Z,15184,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,89789,anon1852866827,anon2030884241,"Hello @anon2030884241  and welcome :slightly_smiling_face:
I am glad to hear that my story brought out this reaction from you!"
9,89796,2021-01-13T07:49:01.109Z,15184,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,89789,anon2446385507,anon2030884241,"Hi @anon2030884241, welcome from me too! Glad you decided to say something :slight_smile:
Are you feeling inspired to share a little about yourself? What brought you to Edgeryders?

Waving from Brussels in the strangest anon4110936133uary of them all.. :hugs:"
11,90112,2021-01-20T15:25:28.376Z,15184,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,90108,anon2446385507,,"Nice to meet you Bill,  and feel free to link us to any of your work or interests! I suspect you'll be in great company in the Economic Sci Fi discussions here on the platform!
Waving from Brussels,"
13,90197,2021-01-21T17:41:18.108Z,15184,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,90108,anon343270668,,"Hi Bill! Welcome! I've seen your website :slightly_smiling_face: I'm a librarian, always happy to meet writers. I think I read on your website that some of your work has been published. What's your experience with this, how easy or hard it is to publish books in your community? Does it entirely depends on you and your finances or are the publishers open enough to everyone? Also I'm interested to know more about how do you promote your work now with the Covid situation happening, are public events/literature programs being organized with audience or you do it all ''digitally'' ?"
15,90242,2021-01-22T08:28:50.255Z,15184,1,7,6,1,0,0,56.4,89649,anon2095874389,anon2446385507,**Send a short message to introduce yourself!** <br /> Hi. I am anon2095874389 Knezevic from Serbia. <br /><br />
16,90258,2021-01-22T10:31:47.002Z,15184,0,7,6,1,0,0,36.4,90242,anon2446385507,anon2095874389,"Very nice meeting you and thank you for your generosity and courage to share a personal story!
I will leave a comment on the story page and for whoever is reading - head over here and read something very real:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/fire-walk-with-me/15241"
17,90259,2021-01-22T10:48:22.475Z,15184,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,90199,anon343270668,,"Thanks for replying, Bill! 

It would definately be interesting to address the subject of the overal impact of COVID-19 measures especially in fields of art and culture. 

In Serbia, for example, the plan is to digitalise the cultural institutions (libraries, museums, archives, theaters and such) in the next couple of years. Right now many are not digitalised, except the ones in bigger cities. The challenge lies within small town or rural communities. Serbia had lockdowns and police curfews last year. Many cultural institutions were to transfer their acitivites online and some of the staff is still almost digitally iliterate (again, mostly in rural communities). Not to mention the equipment . And arts and culture always had a small budget. Last year, the Ministry of Culture and Information got 0, 73 % from the budget and after the budget rebalance in July 2020, it went down to 0, 49 %. 

During the so called relaxation of the covid19 measures, caffees, restaurants, night clubs and sport events were allowing almost mass gatherings and public events and were relatively free to continue their main activites.  Almost everyone, except libraries, museums and theaters. Using the library I work in as an example, this directly led to decline in library membership and usage of library services for 50% . 

If one would only look at the statistics, at least in Serbia, it could read that people read less than ever. But the reality is that this indicates a different problem.

Have a great weekend!"
19,90737,2021-01-31T19:26:46.245Z,15184,1,4,3,1,0,0,25.8,89649,anon4262266677,anon2446385507,"**Send a short message to introduce yourself!** <br /> Hello! 

Today I am sharing my story and I am curious of your stories. <br /><br />"
20,90760,2021-02-01T08:13:19.282Z,15184,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,90737,anon2446385507,,"Welcome @anon4262266677, where are you from? I'm looking forward to read your story, 

Here are a few you might like.. click on the link to read and don't forget to leave a comment to their authors, it's very nice when someone who put the effort to share feels heard and appreciated:

* https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-came-back-to-stay-story-about-a-young-woman-a-mayor-of-an-isolated-village-in-serbia/15196
* https://edgeryders.eu/t/kooperatywa-izerska-how-did-it-build-a-rural-community-and-what-attracts-people-to-it/15026 (A story from Poland)

I will recommend others after I learn more about your interests :-)"
21,91224,2021-02-05T15:36:57.843Z,15184,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,89649,anon917850069,anon2446385507,**Send a short message to introduce yourself!** <br />  <br /><br />
22,91225,2021-02-05T15:38:19.111Z,15184,1,5,4,2,0,0,46.0,89649,anon917850069,anon2446385507,"**Send a short message to introduce yourself!** <br /> Location
Plzen, Czechia

Bio
Researcher, journalist, psychotherapy trainee. Provided with blue collar experience in the UK, white collar exposure in Romania, Dutch degree in neuropsychology and ten years of writing experience, I am parting my time between teaching & research at the faculty of medicine in Pilsen and freelance media activities.

Online presence:
https://finmag.penize.cz/clanky/autor/70059806-vojtech-pisl
https://psychologie.cz/autor/vojtech-pisl/
https://www.universitas.cz/kontakt/vojtech-pisl
 <br /><br />"
23,91226,2021-02-05T15:45:58.249Z,15184,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,91225,anon2446385507,anon917850069,"Welcome on board @anon917850069, looking forward to speak to you soon!"
24,91580,2021-02-11T09:40:32.679Z,15184,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,89649,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,
1,90243,2021-01-22T08:38:59.547Z,15241,1,16,15,93,0,0,528.0,90243,anon2095874389,anon2095874389,"**Fire Walk with Me**

My name is anon2095874389. I live in a small village in Serbia. The *Fire Walk with Me is a reference to one of my favorite movie directors, David Lynch and his 90s TV show, Twin Peaks. I know every episode by heart, every sentence and every scene, without exaggeration. I am a true fan! I am also diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). 

I grew up in a family with challenging circumstances. I’m still trying to learn how to take different perspective on things in our family life and my early childhood. Was I too pampered as a child or was I neglected? Sometimes overprotective parent ends up hindering the child’s own growth. **I think it’s important to openly discuss the subject of parenting and growing up, especially in a country like Serbia and especially in smaller communities**. In villages like the one I grew up in, the tradition and superstition still have an impact on individual lives. 

First 30 years of my life are marked with illnesses, death and financial struggles. Mom passed away when I was a child and several years later, my dad died and so did my brother. I struggled with poor self-image and anxiety. **The village doctor, a physician ‘’in charge’’ of every child and adult in the village prescribed a hypnotic drug when I was only 6 or 7 years old. The drug was supposed to calm down my fears and ease my sleep at night. I was taking this drug until I was 13. Now, the question imposes itself: would you sedate a child for being afraid of the dark?** 

I finished high school, not really thinking what to do with my life. My OCD episodes and accompanying issues were recurring. I tried to control it without drugs, but it led me to even more intensive episodes. I was embarrassed to talk about it. Struggling with a mental health issue in my village was challenging. **People would label someone ‘’crazy’’ only for wearing different clothes.** I was even told that if someone were to watch a certain types of movies, that it would ‘’spoil the blood’’ of that person - which means, I guess, going hard-core crazy. Not to mention the peer-pressure and all the teasing. 

I’m aware of all the banalities in these interpretations now, but as I teenager I thought differently. I was never a go-getter, someone who easily does things. It wasn’t easy, especially at younger age, to identify a problem, let alone to deal with it.  But, how far can really someone go if they are already struggling? 

**I think it’s important to educate the general population, especially in rural communities, about the ways of approaching mental health as a subject, as it has a stigma and many in isolated areas are left to chance or their individual abilities to deal with these issues.** I don’t have any data on the subject, but a simple ‘’googling’’ on mental health and rural communities in Serbia led me to no specific answers, except a couple of sentences confirming that it’s an issue. 

Father was a director of a big state-owned firm and he got fired as politics were changing and he was no longer ‘’adequate’’ to make decisions. This situation is very typical for Serbia today. T**he only job qualification one has to have is to be politically adequate.** This means you have to be a member of a certain political party or to publicly support this party. 

This is expected right away or the pressure occurs later, so people join the party or they just quit the job. **If you somehow manage to stay out of the politics, there is almost a zero chance that you will ever get ahead with your career.** I watched my father falling apart, mentally and physically. He had to sell almost everything, even things from our house. I left college and was doing seasonal work before I got my first ‘’real’’ job. In my surroundings, if one has a steady job, he or she will probably stay in the village. If they don’t have a job, they would move to a city or to another country. 

For me, having a job means having a foundation on which I can stand, especially when I don’t have a basic family support. **The job is my support, not just financially. It also means that my values and my skills are being recognized on some level, that I was given a chance to provide for myself.** After I would lose a job (as a technical surplus), my mental health issues would size up and in these moments even the suicidal thoughts and acts would occur. Luckily, I have supportive friends, so I am dealing with things with their help, but I would really like to be more independent. 

Now I work in a foreign company which has a factory in my village. It employs hundreds of people from the village and also from the nearby villages.  It’s a semi-automatic work, where we make materials for car seats. **We all do this job for 300 euros a month, regardless of our skills and education and we work on weekends too. 300 euros for workers and 1000 and more euros for the management who is mostly not from the village and not even from Serbia.** 

Due to the COVID-19 epidemic, many are worried about their jobs. People, sometimes whole families, fully depend on this job. At first, the government offered help for a private sector. I think they gave the money for our salaries, but that is not an option anymore. There are stories that they will close the factory if things don’t change. Some people left the factory and got a job in another, similar foreign company in a town nearby. Pays are higher if the factory is in a bigger town.  

At the moment, I work double shifts so I could earn a little bit more (double shift doesn’t mean a double salary).  If I have a job, it means that I can survive. It doesn’t mean that my problems are gone. But it means I can afford basic stuff.  I can look forward to small things. It’s not only about paying the bills. Job should give you a chance to enjoy life, not only to live it.
<image here> 
"
2,90347,2021-01-25T11:12:39.450Z,15241,0,12,11,1,1,0,37.2,90243,anon2446385507,anon2095874389,"What an impressive story @anon2095874389, and I have to say how much I appreciate your courage to share something so personal. 

[quote=""anon2095874389, post:1, topic:15241""]
I think they gave the money for our salaries, but that is not an option anymore. There are stories that they will close the factory if things don’t change. Some people left the factory and got a job in another, similar foreign company in a town nearby. Pays are higher if the factory is in a bigger town.
[/quote]

In a way it's sad to see that in pandemic times these factories for non-essential goods are still open, jeopardizing employees, but at the same time I'm wondering what would people do if they had to stay at home and the government is not providing partial/technical unemployment support? Did you get support or did you have to always work throughout 2020?

I won't say anything about foreign companies changing shops from one place in the East to farther East, leaving unemployment behind them, because you probably know this story too well. I've seen it as well in Romania - with the Nokia factory, and recently Bosch.  But I got so inspired about what @anon

Thanks again for sharing your story!

P.S. In me, you have another Lynch fan over here, but I haven't had the guts (literally speaking) to rewatch Twin Peaks or Mulholland Drive since many years now.. !"
3,90362,2021-01-25T15:29:23.733Z,15241,1,11,10,1,0,0,42.0,90243,anon343270668,anon2095874389,"Hello anon2095874389! 

Welcome abroad and thank you for sharing your life story and all the experiences attached to it. 

Coming from your story and also from another story in which the similar issue was brought up, I think it would be maybe interesting to discuss the subject of the privatisation of state-owned companies and public property in Serbia and the consequences it has on individual and family life in Serbia. 

On another hand, since you have mentioned that you lack the basic family support and that sometimes you feel lonely, here's an interesting discussion you could maybe join in and share your experience:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/loneliness-how-do-you-fight-it/15045/4"
4,90720,2021-01-30T15:56:35.702Z,15241,1,8,7,1,0,0,41.4,90243,anon2095874389,anon2095874389,"Hi @anon2446385507 and thank you! 

I talked to @anon

**It is not unusual for people here to have a ‘’blurry’’ stand when it comes to health, especially if it’s related to having a job.** In fact, I think many would choose a job over health. 
Of course, not everyone thinks this way, but it can be pretty common. 

I had to work all through 2020. There were maybe 2 weeks when the company was completely closed due to corona. When it reopened, they invited everyone **who wants** to go back to work to come and work. Most of the people came back to work, including me. 
**The illusion of having a choice is what keeps us going** ! :wink: 

I also talked to @anon
 
Always happy to meet another Lynch fan! :grinning:"
5,90721,2021-01-30T16:00:26.078Z,15241,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.0,90720,anon2095874389,anon2095874389,"I was busy at the time when I published my story, so I didn't have time to reply. I won't always have time to be active here, but I am curious about the subjects of mental health, of course, loneliness, anxiety and especially interested to learn more about **the way how people become proactive and more focused** as I struggle with these issues as well."
6,90788,2021-02-01T12:43:03.993Z,15241,0,5,4,1,1,0,5.8,90362,anon2446385507,anon343270668,"[quote=""anon2095874389, post:5, topic:15241""]
especially interested to learn more about **the way how people become proactive and more focused**
[/quote]

For this question, the discussion that @anon"
1,793,2016-10-18T10:38:49.000Z,760,0,19,18,17,0,0,88.8,793,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"""<a href=""http://podziemnepanstwokobiet.blogspot.be/"">Podziemne Państwo Kobiet</a>"" is both a documentary and a collection of abortion stories from Polish women who had illegal abortions in the past two decades. Poland most likely is the only country in the world that had abortions legal by law (1956-1993) and changed it ""backward"". We ended up having <a href=""http://worldabortionlaws.com"">one of the most restrictive laws in the world</a>, and the legislators were smart, by avoiding criminalizing women (with whom society would sympathize) and focusing instead on everyone else who assists with abortions (the penalties are up to 8 years in prison), creating a system of fear and paranoia. 

The first thing that strikes about abortion in Poland is the statistics - according to Polish Ministry of Health in 2013, there were 744 legal abortions and 718 of them due to the risk of birth defects. 3 of them due to rape and 23 due to the risk posed to women health. In 2015 there were 1044 legal abortions. For a country with 38 million inhabitants, these numbers seem just wrong. In Spain or UK, these numbers are 200 or 400 times higher. And it's estimated that illegal abortions every year account for between 80.000- 200.000 cases in Poland. 

So, what kind of abortions are available in the underground and how do women access it?

Chirurgical abortions are one of the common ways. They usually happen in hidden spaces, often barely up to any standards, with basic equipment, sometimes only in the presence of doctor (women who come to get the abortion might end up assisting them). The price of an abortion is at least 2000 zl (500 euros), and it tends to go up with the standard. In some cases, when doctors are well connected, they can even perform them in hospitals, which would double the price. Many doctors who refused to perform a legal abortion are perfectly fine with doing it illegally after settling the price with their patients. 

Considering that the minimal wage in Poland is 1850 zl, and the average is 4000 (yet many people struggle to get contracts, work on 3/4 of full time, or often work on irregular gigs earning even less than 1000 zł a month with no minimal wage per hour), the price is quite prohibitive and exclusive. Many women end up taking loans to pay off their abortions. 

Nowadays, women contact pro-choice organizations to find out who can help them with abortion. Since the 90ties, press and internet advertisements were the ways to find doctors who'd perform them. Such services would be named as ""painless restoration of menstruation"" - and involve either chirurgical help or access to drugs, highly overpriced. In many cases a friend or a relative knows who does it in your town. The fear and paranoia remain anyhow - women are asked to leave the clinic right after the procedure is done, regardless of their condition, in order not to bring suspicion. They're asked to park their cars far away from the place of appointment. 

Some of the informal groups specialize in organizing abortions abroad. <a href=""https://www.facebook.com/Ciocia-Basia-728670193835998/?hc_location=ufi"">Ciocia Basia</a>, a group of volunteer activist, helps to organize legal abortions in Berlin. For a price of 290/390 euros, they arrange pharmacological and chirurgical abortions in clinics, help with translations and offer a couch for the women coming over. Another popular destination is Slovakia and Czech Republic - it's super easy to find websites in Poland of clinics in these countries that provide with professional and anonymous help. Prices are similar to those in Polish underground.

And then you have the pharmacological abortion. There are two drugs containing misoprostol registered and available in Poland, one of which can be bought without the prescription. Women usually end up making up stories about stomach pain or rheumatic grandmothers to buy them. Sometimes both of them can be obtained from ""under the counter"", forums also advise to ask a man to help buy them. Misoprostol should be accompanied by mifepristone to increase effectiveness (the combination of both has 98% effectiveness, while only misoprostol alone is between 80-90%), but the latter drug is not registered in Poland. In this case organizations such as <a href=""www.womenonweb.org"">Women on Waves</a> help to buy and ship them <a href=""http://www.womenonwaves.org/pl/page/3404/where-can-i-buy-the-abortion-pill--ru-486--mifepristone--mifeprex--mifegyne"">from other countries</a> (they ask for donation of minimum of 70 euros, but they do support women in economic difficulties by providing them for free). It is well known that some of the doctors write prescriptions for these drugs (a pack of 12 costs 25 zl, but can be sold 10 or more times more expensive on the black market) and help women get access to them via advertisements. It's impossible to track as these drugs are not refunded by the state - therefore not registered anywhere. 

Due to lack of widespread support, some of the women organize support groups on online forums. They look for other women who seek abortions or just had one, share their stories and explain to each other what happens to their bodies, how to access drugs, if nausea is a normal reaction to pills, etc. As in some cases, pharmacological abortion can lead to prolonged bleeding and even death, they offer each other a call of support during the abortion, which takes up to a day. It's recommended to call for an ambulance in case of emergency - doctors cannot tell if the miscarriage was illegally inducted or not, and that save lives in some instances of home abortions. 

I am still reading some more about the abortion underground in Poland, and if I find some more interesting facts, I will updated this text. I also encourage you to share your stories on how women access abortion in countries with restrictive law. 

"
2,10585,2016-10-19T07:20:00.000Z,760,0,17,16,0,0,0,18.4,793,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"<b>Who would have thought Poles have it that bad</b>

I didn't know the full extent of the situation when over the past weeks the world was following protests against anti abortion regulations..  I mean, having parents who lived through a communist pro natality decree and anti-abortion strict controls coupled with the shadyness of alternatives (one hears stories..)  does give me an idea.. But present times, whoa.  Thank you Natalia for sharing. 

How do the informal groups survive in this scene? Is there low enforcement and little policing which allows them to circumvent laws? 

Also,  are you hopeful after the so called success of the protests? 

<img src=""/uploads/default/original/2X/5/52090058ef2e7ae98241c742c4a8e6d836c84dfd.png"" width=""397"" height=""500"">

"
3,16930,2016-10-19T09:20:04.000Z,760,0,14,13,0,0,0,2.8,793,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"In fact, I think that the abortion underground functions so well purely because  and thanks to the hypocrisy of the Polish society. Probably after decades of liberal regulations to some extent women are aware of the fact that abortions are needed, but catholic brainwashing has been so effective, that they're trapped between the moral and the pragmatic views on abortion. Now what seems to prove this is that women are not interested in lobbying for their right to abortion - they somehow agree to comply with the rules by having them underground and accepting the stigma, rather than fighting for their rights. Imagine even if the lowest estimate of 80.000 women having illegal abortions a year is right, and 10 percent of them would be up to fight with the system on that, we'd have a pretty great leverage to change the law by now. But we don't. have that. Well, at least until now - but this remains to be seen because we also have a conservative revival going on and if the church steps in, you never know who'd stay on top of things. I'd rather not expect us going any more liberal than we're at the moment. 

Another thing is that part of the available options just use the loopholes, they're not illegal. I guess you can't stop a woman from going abroad or having pills. And a lot of turning the blind eye on the doctors who i believe are well known for doing the abortions despite working underground.

About the movement now, I think there is a chance for some momentum - but I'm not too optimistic about it. We're observing a bit mobilization of civil society ever since the new government came into power, but that rarely brought any results. At the end, they use their democratic victory to pass any decision they seem fit - and giving up on a project of an outrageous reform just to keep rather shameful status quo is not a huge failure for them I believe. We might be building awareness and capacity for the future right now. Let's see. 

"
4,19626,2016-10-19T15:17:11.000Z,760,0,12,11,0,0,0,2.4,793,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"<b>Communities to the rescue! </b>

These stories are quite ghastly. The silver lining is that communities tend to step into giving care, and to do so more when the care problem is ""close to home"". In the end, reproductive health and control over one's body are an absolute, so prohibitions don't work. People go underground, organize informal networks, and things happen anyway. 

And this means that, maybe, a good way to do public policy on care is just to let people free to provide for each other, then step in to help with those which are obviously the most pressing concerns, such as this one. Concerns are revealed by the efforts put into addressing them, even when that means breaking laws and running the risks associated with it. 

Of course, my remarks refer to a theoretical world without politics, where all decision makers are serene, evidence-oriented and well-meaning. :-)

"
5,23368,2016-10-19T16:24:00.000Z,760,1,13,12,0,0,0,7.6,793,anon2661411812,anon3593942245,"<b>Can P2P create preventive solutions?</b>

While this story documents the power of underground networks to find pragmatic solutions, I am wondering if and why ""P2P care"" solutions do not equally pop up to create solutions through prevention (that is, preventing the pregnancies in the first place)? It <em>could</em> be that P2P solutions have a problem with collective motivation here, just as governments tend to rather react that act proactively, but more severe since P2P / underground solutions are so resource constrained. If so, that could point to a major issue with all P2P solutions into care (that is, making for a nice research focus).

I'm pretty sure there is common ground to say prefentive solutions are preferrable (assuming that women who are undergoing abortion would have preferred not to, that is, not to have become pregnant in the first place). So, no need to refer to laws or morals. Even if the law allows it, there is <em>still</em> reason to prevent pregnancy.

So even though contraception is widely available in Europe, on a society scale there are still this many unwanted pregnancies. What I'm wondering here is about the reasons for this, and what P2P initiatives can do and are doing here? Of course this will have to do a lot with slow-changing ""fuzzy targets"" like culture, taboos, sexual practices and preferences. A crazy story from Nepal about how all this impairs the use of ""normal"" contraceptives among the young generation is <a href=""https://globalpressjournal.com/asia/nepal/nepalese-teen-girls-endanger-their-health-through-overuse-of-morning-after-pill/"">this one</a> (Natalia found it some time last year). But in Europe …? What's going on here?

"
6,24734,2016-10-19T20:00:12.000Z,760,0,13,12,0,0,0,2.6,23368,anon2867672406,anon2661411812,"<b>On communities, unwanted pregnancies and laws of large numbers</b>

@anon

Seen through this lens, community provision is fundamentally different, because the entity receiving the care is not an individual, but the (sub-Dunbar or equivalent) community, <em>and that's the same as the payer. </em>Hence the apparent lack of market failure in care provision among the Amish. 

So what's going on with prevention of unwanted pregnancies? Public health people I have talked to tend to shrug and say it's endemic. The window of opportunity for stupid and careless behaviour is a little too wide, the drive for instant gratification over prudence is literally a biological imperative, and even the best contraceptives only have a 99.99% effectiveness. If, say, in Italy you have about 20 million couples, if 10% of them are having sex tonight and all of them use contraception, you are going to get 200 unwanted pregnancies <em>tonight,</em> in just one European country. Best you can do is reduce the incidence of such incidents, but no human society ever achieved zero unwanted pregnancies. 

"
7,26054,2016-10-25T08:02:39.000Z,760,0,14,13,8,0,0,42.8,793,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"This <a href=""http://motto.time.com/4535233/medication-abortion-ireland/"">article on Time</a> explains how women access abortion in Ireland - basically, same as in Poland. It also adds an interesting research on how women feel about abortions after performing them. 

 

""Ninety-four percent of the 1,023 women who completed the at-home abortion said they felt grateful for the option, 97% said at-home mediation abortion was the right choice for them, and 98% said they would recommend the option to other women with unwanted pregnancies.

When asked about their feelings after completing the abortion, 70% of the women said they felt relieved, which was the most common sentiment expressed, followed by 35% who said they felt satisfied. 

“What I think is most striking is that women reported these clear benefits for their health and wellbeing and anatomy,” says Aiken. “I think it really demonstrates that women can make the best choice for themselves when it comes to their own reproduction. The only negative thing about this is that women reported they had to do it against the law, and they went through considerable stress and anxiety and secrecy and isolation and shame.”

 

"
8,89167,2020-12-21T10:04:06.436Z,760,0,14,13,2,0,0,12.8,793,anon1836820155,anon3593942245,"Co myślicie o zaostrzeniu ustawy antyaborcyjnej? Czy uczestniczycie w akcjach Strajku Kobiet? @anon3105790413, @anon2493911774, @anon681684766, @anon2403397137, @anon1274458134, @anon1382377224, @anon750699873, @anon"
10,89199,2020-12-22T10:42:59.760Z,760,1,15,14,1,0,0,13.0,89168,anon2446385507,,"Hi @anon

The human rights issue is highly politicized - if you'd ask people if they believe in human rights probably many would say yes at the general value level, but when you start drilling on how this breaks into specific policy measures, that's when it becomes so polarizing and comes down to war. Especially in the case of abortion, the opponents claim exactly that: that every life has value and who are we to curb it.. you see, the more high level the debate, the harder it is, because value-based conflicts are so incredibly hard to win. 

While I agree with you on the general need to look at things with a broader perspective and not be happy with these smaller wins and file them under 'progress', what to do? Which fights are you personally picking to send this message of 'Once we solve the main problem, my body, my choice, the abortion problem will be no more.'?

Paging @anon1812918160 and @anon2734079508 because I think this discussion could be very relevant to their field of work.."
11,89202,2020-12-22T11:08:22.963Z,760,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,89199,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"This story speaks volumes about how hard it can be on a practical level.. and how it is hard to even get your head from the sand to see the bigger picture.. when human rights can also mean minimum income! 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/trzeba-byc-silna-kobieta-zeby-to-przezyc/10638"
12,89209,2020-12-22T13:30:35.319Z,760,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,89168,anon1836820155,,@anon
14,89224,2020-12-23T14:12:55.677Z,760,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,89211,anon1836820155,,"I haven't heard that Ordo Iuris have some interest in the anti-vaccine discourse, that is why. Great that there are also pro-choice initiatives with strong visual imagery https://www.dazeddigital.com/art-photography/article/51421/1/barbara-kruger-artworks-plastered-on-polish-streets-in-pro-choice-protest"
15,89234,2020-12-24T09:40:54.017Z,760,1,13,12,1,1,0,12.6,89211,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
The truth about vaccines came mainly from the US whistleblowers and activists since already few years, with many informations being released in 2017.
[/quote]

Wow, Sonia, I had no idea you are anti-vaccines and somehow I missed the hints in your first comment. Do you think this about all vaccines or just some? 

In a funny coincidence, this morning I was going through a playlist of videos from one of my favourite youtube channels, and I watched this video. No need to go into a lot of debate technically (both sides can come with tons of evidences), but I'm curious when you started being anti? Growing up in our countries, like anon1836820155 says, no one was talking about it and I suspect we all got our childhood vaccines right? But now times have changed.. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkVCpbNnkU&ab_channel=Kurzgesagt%E2%80%93InaNutshell"
17,89255,2020-12-26T16:40:28.000Z,760,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,89224,,anon1836820155,"Ordo Iuris is just one of many NGOs fighting for SOME human rights and they are specialized in some topic, not others. They also have a clear let’s say conservative or maybe right wing orientation if you wish which means they are rather against abortion from what I see and against LGBT which is not fully prochoice, although they seem good defenders of parental rights. For me being pro choice and pro human rights exceeds all left/right divisions which I consider totally artificial and actually hiding the true topics. Human rights or human bodies are not right or left they just are. Individual choices are either possible either not. But the current political split is done in a way than no existing political party supports individual freedoms in all main aspects of life. I think this divisions are enhanced on purpose because instead of focusing on the humanity, we focus on left fighting right. So for example left is in theory progressive because of LGBT and women topics but actually enhances governmental control through taxes, medical centralization, control of education and no religious freedom either (it is anti religious). Right is in theory more liberal in terms of economic rights and cares more about parental rights and education choices, but actually no religious freedom either (it is basically for one religion against others), and its certainly more against woman rights. So that’s like a choice between the red prison and the blue prison. In both cases you end up in prison. So I would be very surprised to see any bigger recognized institution working outside of this very old left/right scheme, which basically comes back to communism and fascism. Which we have already seen in action enought o be sure we never want to repeat any of them. So It may be shocking for some but I have not voted in last elections because I refuse to make a choice that is not a real one."
18,89266,2020-12-28T13:18:53.536Z,760,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,89255,anon1836820155,,"Sonia, thank you for sharing your thoughts on those highly polarizing the society topics. I would say that the rights for the healthcare are not just individual, they are collective, and what may not have value to you today may have value to the entire population, the entire way of life tomorrow. Concerning the vaccine, there is a general trend towards mistrust in the current medical system in Poland, we were talking about that during one of our webinars, please check the documentation https://edgeryders.eu/t/dokumentacja-webinar-czym-jest-dla-ciebie-opieka-jak-ty-poanon1547754019sz-innym-w-trakcie-pandemii/15003"
20,89428,2021-01-06T13:24:10.819Z,760,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,793,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,Hello @anon
22,90068,2021-01-20T10:44:26.221Z,760,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,89267,anon1836820155,,"Abortion is opposed based on moral or religious grounds, but the ban leads to the psychological harm to a woman and to an unwanted child as well. Maybe a woman wants an abortion because she cannot care for the child and provide a healthy home environment.

Legalized abortion means that there are less unwanted children. Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner in their book “Freakonomics” prove that abortion was one of the greatest crime-lowering factors in American history.

In New York, California, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii, women got the right to abortion at least two years before it was legalized throughout the United States. Between 1988 and 1994, violent crime in the early-legalizing states fell 13% compared to the other states; between 1994 and 1997, their murder rates fell 23% more than those of the other states.

So, unwantedness leads to child poverty and high crime rates while legalized abortion is good for the society because it brings less crime. @anon3105790413, @anon2493911774, @anon681684766, @anon2403397137, @anon1274458134, @anon1382377224, @anon750699873, @anon"
24,90335,2021-01-25T08:23:28.228Z,760,1,6,5,1,1,0,11.2,90215,anon2446385507,,"I had read the book anon1836820155 is refering tom and honestly did not remember this correlation. Like you, I was also frowning while reading the above,

But by looking up things it turns out they remade the analysis 20 years after, with additional data, and the model holds up to at least an ongoing academic debate: https://journalistsresource.org/studies/economics/abortion-crime-research-donohue-levitt/

In social science, it's very hard to establish causation, a direct cause-effect links between phenomena, let alone to extranon3760934795ate findings from the US case to Poland or others, but it is an nonetheless an interesting thing to think about: What happens when you reduce the number of unwanted children, whether by legalising abortion or other measures?  But do benefits of any public policy matter if the goal is not to solve the particular problem the benefits address?

If the goal is not to offer women freedom to decide for their own bodies, or uphold their right to privacy, (on the contrary!) then no policy that addresses that will go through. This looks more of a social justice debate that throughout history only got solved by mass protest movements, influential and charismatic leaders to prompt them.. by the way are there such rising stars in Poland, where one could put their hopes in? 


[quote=""anon
It is only by preserving the individual rights of humans that we can help humanity.
[/quote]

This is a beautiful statement."
25,90679,2021-01-29T10:26:03.976Z,760,1,4,3,2,0,0,15.8,90335,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,that's strange that you don't remember the chapter dedicated to the Nicolae Ceausescu's policies
26,90681,2021-01-29T11:51:25.344Z,760,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,90679,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"It's not so much about the chapter, it's the ideas..and associations. And the case of Romanian abortion law had a different idea: that the wave of unwanted children in Romania was the same generation that came to age to (basically) build the revolution and overthrow the regime. Talk about karma. 
Anyway, a very seductive idea,  I'll just leave it at that 🤔"
1,90051,2021-01-20T08:05:42.473Z,15228,0,11,10,82,0,0,472.2,90051,anon1852866827,anon1852866827,"   <image here> 
 

 I love plants and flowers. I have so many of them! Some are really huge, and I have to
improvise where to keep them, so I move them around the house. I also organize yearly
plant-giveaways. Sometimes people can’t grow plants because they don’t have enough
space in their homes. Usually growing plants in the summer is not a problem. People keep
their plants outside on the balconies, terraces, in backyards. But during winter, many are
worried where to put their plants as their homes are too small. When people travel for a
holiday or have to go somewhere for a few days and longer, they must find someone who
would visit their house and take care of their plants while they are gone. I&#39;ve seen many
caffe and restaurants having gorgeous and big plants in their front gardens when the
weather is nice, but I keep wondering what happens with these plants when it gets cold?
Last year, I made a little green corner of my own. I often sit there and think: what if I&#39;d make
a hotel for all these plants?

<image here> 
 
 It could be like a greenhouse, a facility purposely made and equipped to extend the
vegetative period throughout the year. On one hand, the greenhouse would store and
maintain adult, primarily tropical plants of large dimensions. The greenhouse hotel would
offer space, nutrition and care. In addition, the cultivation of rare and exotic plants would be
done, to which the greenhouse conditions would suit and for which there would be market
interest.
 The basic preconditions for the formation of such a greenhouse exist within my agricultural
farm. There is space, basic infrastructure, abundance of materials for compost production
and so on. To this can be added: the formation of nurseries under the open sky, for growing
seedlings of fruit and ornamental trees in a wide range. There are also optimal conditions for
this, like space (plot up to 2 ha), composting, watering, existing mechanization for
processing, human resources (experts and manual workers). Also, this could be an
opportunity for more employment of a number of locals. Maybe this could be another
reason for some people to stay in the countryside or at least re-think?"
2,90054,2021-01-20T09:52:10.561Z,15228,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,90051,anon1836820155,anon1852866827,brilliant idea @anon1852866827 . how cold it gets in winter in your area?
3,90060,2021-01-20T10:15:36.541Z,15228,1,9,8,3,0,0,21.8,90054,anon1852866827,anon1836820155,"Thank you @anon1836820155 :slightly_smiling_face: . Depends, not too cold. A few days ago it was -13 C. It is windy, due to the felling of trees, so it gives the feeling that it is colder than it actually is."
4,90116,2021-01-20T15:38:36.199Z,15228,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,90051,anon781457888,anon1852866827,"@anon4070699437 sounds like something you might like! Also, @anon187167139 regarding coping mechanisms, for me cats but maybe hiding out in the countryside with plants and friends?"
5,90132,2021-01-20T23:12:17.272Z,15228,1,8,7,1,0,0,56.6,90116,anon187167139,anon781457888,"Watering plants and taking care of them is really relaxing during pandemic, I got few of them and it's great! 
Amazing idea @anon1852866827 I think it will be amazing for a lot of different reason, I can see it as a destination for humans, kids etc..
In Italy we have very local and unknown (and straight out of Wes Anderson aestethic) bath or wellness center, were people used to go in the past and just spend one or two weeks to breath ""good air""..usually they were connected with activities and curative springs. I can see a similar model to your idea!"
6,90151,2021-01-21T07:09:40.694Z,15228,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,90132,anon1852866827,anon187167139,"Thank you @anon187167139 :blush:
 
I agree, it’s really relaxing and productive. My ultimate goal is to have a small forest, a park, a nursery, whatever I call it, and a greenhouse in the heart of it. Soon, people will really need ""fresh air centers."" First of all, I want my child to grow up in such an environment. I want a ""green world"" no matter how small it is."
7,90383,2021-01-26T09:59:00.137Z,15228,0,5,4,1,0,0,36.0,90060,anon1836820155,anon1852866827,So it is similar to Poland. Could you imagine there are folks still working in bicycle food delivery on the streets by such low temperatures? Ski food delivery would look more natural :).
8,90547,2021-01-27T18:32:37.294Z,15228,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,90051,anon1852866827,anon1852866827,"I guess the delivery is very fast now. It's cold, the adrenaline is working :face_with_hand_over_mouth:"
9,90678,2021-01-29T10:22:22.357Z,15228,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,90547,anon1836820155,anon1852866827,Is bicycle important for your village infrastructure?
10,90680,2021-01-29T11:08:39.996Z,15228,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,90678,anon1852866827,anon1836820155,"Yes it is. The village is small, and in fact every house has a bicycle."
1,80740,2020-07-20T10:27:15.924Z,14136,0,12,11,9,0,0,77.4,80740,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hello all,
I'm wondering how you are feeling with this result?
Whether you are on one side or the other, are your personal or family plans affected by this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/the-coffin-is-being-closed-on-democracy-polish-liberals-despair-after-dudas-win

Sending my best to everyone!
anon2649858692mi from Brussels"
2,81001,2020-07-27T11:24:41.782Z,14136,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,80740,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,"After the elections the atmosphere in Poland is marked by frustration and mistrust towards politicians, especially now, when the country is leaving the Istanbul Convention https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53538205"
3,81003,2020-07-27T11:33:24.605Z,14136,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,81001,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"Yes, I was just reading that news.

@anon
It's a pity, because the country is so polarised and probably at least half of the Poles are unhappy with the way things are going. Do you see anything other than social unrest..? Some concrete initiatives that are being taken?"
4,81007,2020-07-27T11:53:00.836Z,14136,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,80740,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,"The rally against this shameful withdrawal was organized in many cities last Friday. In Wroclaw where I live there are many protests and demonstrations every week, but the numbers are small."
5,90291,2021-01-22T16:11:41.817Z,14136,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,80740,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,"After the end of Donald Trump's presidency, some questions remain unanswered: what will be the fate of authoritarian populists elsewhere.

Because every country is different, what works in the US political culture might not work in Poland @anon
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-and-the-fate-of-populist-authoritarian-leaders-worldwide-by-jan-werner-mueller-2021-01"
7,90441,2021-01-27T09:41:17.511Z,14136,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,90414,anon1650793189,,"Hi, Sonia!
I'm not sure if I got you right...
Are you saying that all over the world there are poeple and groups of people that remain firmly in their positions of power no matter the political setup and government administration? Be it transnational corporations or some business world tycoons, they do hold a tight grip on us all, wherever we are and whoever we chose to represent us and our interests in democratic elections. If this is what you're saying, then I think there is little to argue here. That's a fact. 
However, I have some issues with what you wrote. Firstly, it sounds to me like you're overstretching the application of the word 'authoritarian'. Wouldn't you agree that it's a name for some processes within a spectrum (the opposite pole of which would be...donno...liberal/libertarian?)? To me it's not a binary thing (either sth is authoritarian or it isn't).
Secondly, you seem to be suggesting that people living in, say, Germany have the same amount of personal freedom as those living in Hungary - that it doesn't matter where you live or what you do, you live under an authoritarian regime. Really? Is authoritarian a non-gradable adjective?
Thirdly, what would you suggest we do with our energy and good intentions? Do you see any chance of us ever overcoming the status quo?"
8,90461,2021-01-27T10:31:53.678Z,14136,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,90414,anon1836820155,,"Hi Sonia, maybe you don't know that protests in Belarus last already 170 days. People in Belarus do not give up and come up with yet new ways to amplify their cause. That is why it is necessary to highlight Belarus. I assume you don't know that much about the situation there, please check this reading list: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d0RICad5chGdrZBQgor0HcxouRxZ8FPIaUeDozztHFY/edit?fbclid=IwAR1w7cdZ9X1RDiaBHDb4y6JkjzuzPu5eV58_FpmrXN41P5VZ4KZxofU4HzM"
10,90478,2021-01-27T12:05:04.000Z,14136,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,90441,,anon1650793189,"Hi

Yes basically this is what I am saying. I am also saying the current pandemic situation has shown there is no more freedom in Germany, I would even say at the current lockdown stage freedom might be greater in Hungary although I do not know. But lately people in Germany cannot go further than 15 km from home, that’s for me extreme authoritarism. Also kids have to wear masks all day in some schools depending of the land and no home schooling is allowed. Most businesses have to be closed. I do call it extreme authoritarism. I also can compare the mainstream media in France and in Poland and I can say there is much more censorship in the French media than in the polish ones. So yes it is gradable but the current grade used in the mainstream is for example focusing on abortion (as far as Poland is concerned) while for me topics like education or freedom of entrepreneurship are of the same importance. There is currently a presupposition than somehow „leftist” or „social” regimes are „progressive” and less authoritarian than „liberal” ones, actually in Poland its even more complicated. But there is no „liberal"" regime on the planet currently as there is no free trade or free market. Everything is heavily regulated and basically all these regulation do favor very big often „international” entities, creating a false image of „liberal” market being „bad” while in reality artificial subsidies, tax and financial systems and transnational agreements do just kill small entrepreneurship, local businesses or any form of real sovereignty.
What should we do at this stage? I think we shall focus on local cooperation and local communities and put all efforts to create a sustainable way of life at local level, giving up the hope of reforming a system that is fundamentally wrong. If enough local communities could become an example, this could lead to another system much more decentralized, more fair, environment and people friendly. Of course we always hit the wall of what the central powers are enforcing and protests and civil disobedience are a way as well, but we have to be careful and notice when this energy is just hijacked to divide people and push forward the exactly same authoritarian agenda, with just a different style. The only chance I see is enough people starting to understand no government and no central power will take care of their life, health and security, and coming back to take responsibility for themselves and their closest surroundings. Summing up, empowering local communities and individuals seems the only possible way."
11,90531,2021-01-27T16:24:03.669Z,14136,1,6,5,1,1,0,11.2,90478,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
I am also saying the current pandemic situation has shown there is no more freedom in Germany, I would even say at the current lockdown stage freedom might be greater in Hungary although I do not know.
[/quote]

[This has been the subject of great debate](https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-does-security-mean-to-you-right-now-what-makes-you-feel-safe-or-unsafe-right-now/14462) with people around here from different parts of the world who disagree with covid handling by governments. There is clearly a looming danger of the surveillance state, and yes, arguably that is also part of authoritarianism, more on a continuum like @anon1650793189 says. 


[quote=""anon
If enough local communities could become an example, this could lead to another system much more decentralized, more fair, environment and people friendly. Of course we always hit the wall of what the central powers are enforcing and protests and civil disobedience are a way as well, but we have to be careful and notice when this energy is just hijacked to divide people and push forward the exactly same authoritarian agenda, with just a different style.
[/quote]

Yes! and this is so worth struggling for! While many of us are trying to make a small contribution to this, the tension I think comes in at the personal level: **when you're deciding how much you are going to be in the very system that is so faulty, and what you can do about it.** 

To give you an example, I've started a local business to bring the world a more sustainable local protein food, building partnerships with local coops and so on.. but I still have to run my project in a capitalist world, and a liberal democracy, and make it sustainable financially to be able to build a family and pay bills. I sometimes also get subsidies to develop a new product - which means I have to thank a government for that, like it or not. I will participate in society as a citizen with the rights that I have - voting, right to assembly, right to protest if I see a cause worth going in the streets for, and a lot of sympathy for radical alternatives in which I may or may not be able to be involved. I'll probably also raise my children to be as civically involved as possible in the very societies in which they will choose to live. 

So yes, taking responsibility is very important, but in the end the level playing field remains the same, and most of us have to partake at some level, and play nice or censor ourselves or be loud when needed. Maybe it sounds cynical, I don't know. The rest of it, for me at least, is just **individual grids that help us make decisions in a complex world** - like living in a country that's higher or lower in the HDI ranking, or choosing a profession that is more or against feeding a status quo, and so on.  

By the way Sonia, you might like this approach elsewhere on Edgeryders, that @anon"
13,90546,2021-01-27T18:07:49.795Z,14136,0,7,6,1,1,0,6.4,90538,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
For the enormous majority of small entrepreneurs more deregulation and less taxes will do much more than any of the funds they can get. It is the same for family farmers.
[/quote]

Of course.. 

[quote=""anon
So „democracy” is not enough if this becomes „dictatorship of the majority” with low or no respect of basic human rights. I do not think it is a radical perspective, as what we see is precisely a radicalization of the existing system.
[/quote]

Again, I agree with you. I meant 'radical' not as a way of looking at the world, but more as a set of decisions to take: as a human, a project, a non profit organisation etc: 'not playing the game any more', as you say, would be a radical move, just like other radical dissent acts, forms of protest. Which is a priviledge or a very courageous thing to do, depends on how you look at it.
In the end, like you say, the world is a very depressing place to be in, and most people I know acknowledge some of the things you mention, myself included. 

[quote=""anon
If you’re not even allowed to meet friends for coffee do you think you will really still have any other rights?
[/quote]

What a good question. I hope so, otherwise I couldn't get out of bed in the morning. I'm curious what other people would say to this: @anon"
14,90569,2021-01-28T10:14:45.554Z,14136,1,6,5,1,1,0,26.2,90538,anon781457888,,"[quote=""anon
As for coming back to authoritarian state and handling of pandemics or whatever other calamity, to say this is looming danger is for me wishful thinking. There is no plan for „back to normal” at least not from the governments side, and the pandemics was widely used to implement many new controlling systems from QR codes through central registers, tracking apps, face recognition devices or new „sanitary"" police forces. No magic vaccine or cure will make the ruling authorities withdraw from these very useful inventions.
[/quote]

Hi Sonia, this strikes a chord with me. Increasingly I find myself in an uncomfortable political space inhabited by groups that have very little else in common. Old school anarchists, randians and free market fundamentalists, conservatives who despise the current social democratic government because of political tribalism, antivaxers, crackpot conspiracy theorists. Many of whom are entitled nativists, racists or in some other way a nightmare afaic for obvious reasons. 

But I disagree with the notion that there would be a shared, hidden agenda. The government in the the country I currently reside in is too chaotic and incompetent for this to be the case. Rather it is a knee jerk reaction to coping with something they clearly are unable to manage. What worries me is that once they have gotten an ""apetite"" for this kind of authoritarian response, it will increasingly become the norm. The individuals working within the system are creating a monster which will eat us all. The question is whether there is something to be done about it and if so, what is needed for that to happen...."
1,90375,2021-01-25T19:57:35.978Z,15250,1,7,6,4,0,0,41.4,90375,anon1836820155,anon1836820155,"Covid-19 is a source of unsustainable byproducts such as littered PPE, disposable gloves, and tons of plastic packaging for the takeaway food. There are several ways to reduce inevitable pollution resulting from dumped face masks. Production of the biodegradable and reusable filters, and face protection equipment that could be reused after disinfection is corresponded with several recycling projects.

One is a PPE zero-waste box that works like a recycling bin for used safety equipment and protective gear from TerraCycle (https://www.terracycle.com). Small box for disposable gloves, dust masks, garments, hairnets, beardnets, earplugs, and safety glasses costs $148. After the box is full it can be sent back for processing. Paper or wood-based products are recycled or composted. The plastics undergo extrusion and pelletization to be molded into new recycled plastic products.

Another way to up-cycle masks by transforming the textile into plastic-like material was invented by Plaxtil (https://www.plaxtil.com). The collected masks spend 15 days in quarantine in a hangar. Like in the first project, the process is not fully automated and involves manual labour before the material is being shredded into strips, and decontaminated using UV. After that it is mixed with a binding agent to make a paste.

Each one of the described processes is complicated and expensive. Involvement of manual labour in the recycling process also reminds, that not everyone can stay at home during the pandemic. The recycling workers like many others, are the front-liners facing the current pandemic. Their work may be not seen, but it requires courage."
2,90395,2021-01-26T15:16:44.306Z,15250,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,90375,anon1796658927,anon1836820155,You may find this interesting https://www.greenhospitals.net/who-we-are/
3,90430,2021-01-27T08:01:48.944Z,15250,1,4,3,1,1,0,10.8,90375,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"[quote=""anon1836820155, post:1, topic:15250""]
Involvement of manual labour in the recycling process also reminds, that not everyone can stay at home during the pandemic.
[/quote]

I'd say this is true for all manual labours, in essential and non-essential goods production, and in service delivery. 

Is this issue of recycling face masks being talked about at all, in your part of the world? In Belgium, I don't remember reading anything about this, unfortunately it becomes a nth rate concern issue, after health, economy, and recently future national deficit and debt problems, yet another 'hidden' cost of a pandemic."
4,90536,2021-01-27T16:54:14.365Z,15250,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,90430,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,"There is a discussion about working conditions for the interns in the hospital: https://wroclaw.wyborcza.pl/wroclaw/7,35771,26709569,studenci-uniwersytetu-medycznego-alarmuja-w-ciasnej-norze.html"
1,89738,2021-01-12T09:50:08.942Z,15196,2,18,17,463,0,0,2428.6,89738,anon1852866827,anon1852866827,"<image here> 
 
 My name is anon1852866827 Popov. I live in an almost empty village in Vojvodina, in the northern part of Serbia. I would avoid calling my village ‘’dead’’, because I would never call an empty piece of paper a ‘’dead paper’’. Would you?  The  ‘’dead village’’ phrase is being because the majority of people are moving out from villages, due to unemployment rates, inaccessible resources and non-effective government solutions. Families and young people are migrating to other countries, due primarily to EU friendly citizenship/passport which has been offered from Hungary. 
I was born in 1983., to a Serbian father and Hungarian mother, in the village of Milesevo.  At the time Milesevo had around 5000 inhabitants. The life was all right as most of the people were harvesting their own land or were employees of the gigantic state-owned firms. The bus lines were frequent and organized. Serbs and Hungarians were living in peace in colorfully painted houses in the wide-open streets. There were two schools full of children. Growing up I was surrounded by the fertile fields, machines and cattle. My family was well situated and my father’s first name was almost like a brand, so instead of using my actual name, people referred to me as ‘’Sava’s daughter’’. That is probably why I craved to escape and make something on my own. I finished the agricultural high-school in a town nearby and wanted to leave and see something different. I was excited to start my college in Novi Sad. However, my life in the city was not what I thought it would be. I studied English and then transferred to business school. But, something was off. Living in a city, with so many people and tiny apartments, I felt that I didn’t belong there. I was a child from a farm, almost 2 meters high, so I wasn’t even born to fully blend in.  
Things got complicated back home due to the general socio-economic circumstances, so I went back to help obtain the family business. I was working in our agro-pharmacy (shop) as a saleswoman. Seasonal work in the fields had to be done as well. I was a courier, driving 200-300 km a day to deliver goods from our shop. By the way, I drive a car, a van, a tractor and a truck! 
Coming from traditional surroundings, I thought that a husband and a child was something I must ‘’do’’. I ended up in a marriage, where I was forbidden to visit my parents and to have social life. I was diagnosed with cancer and had a miscarriage. My husband’s family marked me as ‘’barren’’. I suffered a minor breakdown. One day, I just decided to drive back home to my parents’ house and told them that I came back - to stay. But the struggles didn’t end there. Severely depressed, feeling like a failure and ashamed, I became an alcoholic when I was 28. The financial situation in my family became worse: debts, banks and credits. We went bankrupt. At the same time, my father got very ill. I had to do something. I decided we should cut our expenses, get rid of things which are not essential and sell everything. We sold new machines, tools and vehicles and bought the older versions. We closed the shop and focused on one business and that is cattle. My family started recovering. I sobered up and have never had a drop of alcohol since then. I gave birth to a baby girl who is 6 years old now. I manage the family business and feel like I could do more. <image here> 
  
In 2019. there was a job opening for a ‘’community secretary’’  in local government. I’ve applied and I got the job. The job itself is basically something like the village mayor, plus lots of administration work. I’m faced with all the ongoing problems one community can have. But, what about the future?  Today, the village is inhabited mostly by the elders. It has NO ambulance, pharmacy, library, post-office and no banks. No bus lines, just  silent streets, empty houses and one closed hotel, as a reminder that someone in Milesevo, once, had a plan. 
I talk to my fellow-citizens and try to help, like agency for bits and pieces. If someone needs something from another town, medicines, papers certified, something to pick up, sending documents, looking for a lawyer, going to institutions, consulting about a private matter - I do all of this and more. It comes with the territory. Unlike before, the local community building (which I painted and restored into a modern-looking office) is now a place for villagers to visit frequently.  While doing the things I do, I dream and I plan. What an empty piece of paper, from the beginning of my story, does to one’s mind is to make it think and create. That closed hotel, which will become a ruin, has its owner living in Canarias, with no intention to come back. We spoke and he is willing to cooperate only if someone would know what to do with his object. Empty houses in the village can be used for different things. They are surrounded by gardens, so maybe an international organic house, where people from big cities and other countries can come, work on a field and produce organic food? Maybe a home for elders or an exotic greenhouse?  I have the means for most of my ideas and I have the power of will. 
What I don’t have is additional support and someone to recognize what can be done in a village like Milesevo. I am raising my daughter here, so I am highly motivated.  Maybe she can’t enjoy all the privileges of a child living in a city, but she has clean air, a touch of nature and endless playground. She could have more. I would like her to see and learn how opportunities are being made, especially how things can be created by a woman, a peasant, her mom - together with all the good people around her. This years’ situation with COVID-19 made hard things even harder for people living in isolated areas. But it also convinced me, more than ever, that the rural areas are unused potential and an empty piece of paper for so many great things to be done.
<image here> 
"
2,89795,2021-01-13T07:46:52.682Z,15196,1,14,13,3,1,0,22.8,89738,anon2446385507,anon1852866827,"[quote=""anon1852866827, post:1, topic:15196""]
The job itself is basically something like the village mayor, plus lots of administration work. I’m faced with all the ongoing problems one community can have. But, what about the future? Today, the village is inhabited mostly by the elders. It has NO ambulance, pharmacy, library, post-office and no banks. No bus lines, just silent streets, empty houses and one closed hotel, as a reminder that someone in Milesevo, once, had a plan.
[/quote]

This seems to me a familiar situation of villages, at least for Eastern Europe.  Did you have to join a political party to run for elections? 
@anon1852866827 you are the first mayor I interact with directly! Many thanks to @anon

> I have the means for most of my ideas and I have the power of will.
> What I don’t have is additional support and someone to recognize what can be done in a village like Milesevo. 

Does this mean you can decide what happens with empty houses, and what would be needed is ideas and human resources?  Last year we hosted a series of online meetings to discuss the role of farmers in capitalist food system (which is diminishing but should not!), and somehow we ended up asking ourselves how rural areas can be revitalised -not just for sustainable food systems, but also for economic development?
@anon3346229079 has even structured the ideas into a proposal, curious what you think about this?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/sustainable-development-focus-on-rural-areas-and-food-localisation/14736/  

>  I would like her to see and learn how opportunities are being made, especially how things can be created by a woman, a peasant, her mom - together with all the good people around her.

This is very inspiring, thanks again!"
3,89907,2021-01-15T12:52:18.518Z,15196,0,12,11,2,0,0,12.4,89738,anon343270668,anon1852866827,"Hey @anon1852866827 , welcome aboard! :smiley: I am very glad you shared your story, it is very inspiring.  :heart: You pin-pointed quite a few issues  in common for many villages, especially in Eastern Europe, like @anon2446385507 noticed.  Feel free to share your thoughts and ideas on reviving the village, I am sure you will get useful feedback!"
4,89908,2021-01-15T13:01:19.213Z,15196,1,12,11,1,1,0,27.4,89738,anon343270668,anon1852866827,"[quote=""anon1852866827, post:1, topic:15196, full:true""]
What I don’t have is additional support and someone to recognize what can be done in a village like Milesevo. 
[/quote]

I am interested to know can you or a village as a formal community, apply for any national and international funds? How independent is Milesevo's local community from its administrative council? Can you write and apply for project funding directly or does it have to be done through some ''higher'' levels of authority, like your municipality?"
5,89998,2021-01-19T09:08:37.420Z,15196,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,89795,anon1852866827,anon2446385507,"
No @anon2446385507,  I did not need to join a political party to join the elections. The vilage ""wanted"" me, a few years ago, but back then my daughter was little and I couldn't answer that. in 2019. I decided that I will try and here I am :blush:

No, I can't decide what will be with houses, but I can talk about my ideas and I think that most of them will ""stay on track"" with me. Most of the houses are out on market to be sold. There is an option to sell them or we can all together watch the houses fall apart one by one."
6,90003,2021-01-19T09:47:08.859Z,15196,0,12,11,1,0,0,37.4,89908,anon1852866827,anon343270668,No @anon
7,90115,2021-01-20T15:33:25.215Z,15196,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,89998,anon2446385507,anon1852866827,"I don't know how far Milesevo is from a major town, but a tiny trend we're seeing where I'm coming from is for a younger generation to gaze towards rural relocation, where land and houses are more affordable and the quality of life higher in some respects (especially pollution, noise and similar). If it's close enough to a city though.

In Poland, @anon3877365548 is another case in point.. her story, albeit of a more alternative community, shows that it's possible to start caring for rural infrastructure and landscape, but is it for everyone?
https://edgeryders.eu/t/kooperatywa-izerska-how-did-it-build-a-rural-community-and-what-attracts-people-to-it/15026"
8,90152,2021-01-21T07:19:09.968Z,15196,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,90115,anon1852866827,anon2446385507,"Milesevo is 25 km away from the town of Becej, and some 70 km from the capital of Vojvodina, Novi Sad. In our country, many years ago, the trend was to leave the villages. People mostly go to cities or abroad. The villages remain deserted or with some old inhabitants. I agree that the city provides many benefits, but people from the city have to pay to have my peace. Conversely, if I manage to fight for a decent life in the countryside, I can afford mostly the same things. There is a lot of work, but the pace is different, the system of living in the countryside is different, and I really believe that people will start to appreciate and understand that. In my case, there is no offer that I would accept in exchange for leaving my place of residence."
1,54338,2019-05-31T18:46:45.593Z,10049,0,21,20,8,0,0,104.0,54338,anon1487287987,anon1487287987,"Nazywam się Marta, mam 34 lata i od dwóch lat prowadzę własną firmę. 
Przez prawie dziesięć lat byłam zatrudniona na umowy o pracę na czas określony. Moja praca w dużej mierze opierała się na projektach, czułam się spełniona zawodowo, ale moja sytuacja była niestabilna – projekty zaczynały się i kończyły, czasami na kilka tygodni/miesięcy stawałam się osobą bezrobotną. 
W pewnym momencie zapragnęłam większej stabilizacji i postanowiłam założyć własną firmę. Miałam pomysł, pasję i umiejętności. Wiedziałam, że nowe firmy w Polsce mogą ubiegać się o dofinansowania z Urzędów Miasta i Unii Europejskiej. Z perspektywy czasu myślę, że w Polsce bardzo łatwo jest założyć własną działalność gospodarczą, natoanon1235093333st problemem jest utrzymanie jej przez dłuższy czas. Wytyczne dotyczące założenia działalności są proste, jednak mało konkretne: jedź do Urzędu Gminy lub Miasta i zarejestruj swoją firmę. Dofinansowania wydają się kuszącą opcją jednak po zapoznaniu się z wytycznymi okazuje się, że nie każdy może się o nie ubiegać. 
Na rozpoczęcie działalności wzięłam zwykłą pożyczkę z banku i dofinansowanie z Urzędu Gminy, nie spełniałam kryteriów, aby ubiegać się o dofinansowanie z Unii Europejskiej. Aby kwalifikować się dofinansowania z Urzędu Gminy musiałam zarejestrować się jako osoba bezrobotna na dwa miesiące. Osoba zarejestrowana jako bezrobotna w Polsce nie może wykonywać żadnej legalnej pracy, nawet jednodniowych zleceń. Aby podpisać chociażby umowę o dzieło na jeden dzień należy wyrejestrować się z Urzędu, a następnie zarejestrować ponownie. Wtedy jednak przepada szansa na dofinansowanie, ponieważ w wielu przypadkach trzeba być osobą bezrobotną przez dłuższy czas. 
Z perspektywy czasu mogę powiedzieć, że założenie działalności w Polsce naprawdę jest najmniejszym problemem. Różne rodzaje dofinansować są bardzo kuszące, brak barier biurokratycznych sprawia, że jest to procedura, którą jest w stanie ogarnąć w zasadzie każdy. Być może dlatego coraz więcej Polaków i Polek decyduje się na tę formę zatrudnienia, a co więcej staje się to również preferowanym modelem zatrudnienia w firmach i instytucjach: tłumacze, lektorzy języków obcych, logopedzi, agenci ubezpieczeniowi czy nieruchomości nawet jeśli pracują dla firm i instytucji są w większości osobami samozatrudnionymi. W Polsce panuje swego rodzaju kult samozatrudnienia, podejście, że najgorzej „pracować na kogoś i dla kogoś”.  Niewiele mówi się o tym, jak trudno utrzymać jednoosobową działalność gospodarczą ze względu na wysokie koszty, a nawet jeśli się o tym mówi skargi te nie są traktowane poważnie przez osoby zatrudnione na etacie.
Osoba samozatrudniona przez pierwsze dwa lata może liczyć na ulgi w składkach ZUS. Wynoszą one ok. 500 PLN miesięcznie. Dwa lata niestety mijają szybko, prawdopodobnie jest to zbyt mało czasu aby wprowadzić firmę na rynek i ugruntować jej pozycję, a po upływie tego czasu koszty wzrastają drastycznie, prawie trzykrotnie. Brak też przemyślanego doradztwa z zakresu marketingu, promocji i samego prowadzenia działalności. 
Nie żałuję decyzji o założeniu własnej firmy, ale po ponad roku pracy jedynie we własnej firmie musiałam wrócić na etat, bo okazało się, że sama działalność nie daje mi upragnionej stabilizacji zatrudnienia oraz finansowej. Warto jeszcze zwrócić uwagę, że problem stabilności zatrudnienia przekłada się w Polsce nie tylko na ogólnie rozuanon1235093333ne poczucie bezpieczeństwa, ale w szczególności na sytuacje mieszkaniową – ciężko otrzymać kredyt na nieruchomość, co wciąż jest w Polsce opcją preferowaną przez młodych ludzi, ponieważ koszty wynajmu mieszkania i spłacania rat kredytu są bardzo zbliżone."
2,54426,2019-06-03T11:44:34.182Z,10049,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,54338,anon3593942245,anon1487287987,This is Asia Bednarczyk story as application
3,54604,2019-06-05T17:37:20.302Z,10049,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.2,54338,anon2446385507,anon1487287987,"Cześć @anon1487287987, twoja historia jest bardzo podobna do tej, w jakiej jestem w Belgii: jestem freelancerką w kraju o bardzo wysokim poziomie opodatkowania i składek na ubezpieczenie społeczne (50%). Mam 32 lata i nie jestem pewna, czy uda mi się przetrwać niepewność.

Pochodzę z Rumunii, gdzie osoby posiadające małe firmy są znacznie bardziej wspierane. Pod pewnym poziomem dochodu uzyskasz opodatkowanie tylko 3%, potem ono stopniowo wzrasta. Kultura jest podobna do tej, którą opisujesz w Polsce: większość firm cię zatrudni, ale jesteś samozatrudniony. Pozwala im zaoszczędzić pieniądze na podatkach pracowniczych.

Nie zrozuanon1235093333łam tego: kiedy mówisz, że teraz wracasz na pełny etat, co masz na myśli? Kto będzie Twoim pracowdawcą?

PS Dziękujemy za dołączenie do Edgeryders - nasza społeczność rośnie, ponieważ większość aktywnych członków znajduje wsparcie od innych osób, lub pomysł/radę na przyszłość. Może ta historia cię zainteresuje? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/mobbing-czy-slowa-sa-w-stanie-oddac-doswiadczenia/9931"
4,54751,2019-06-09T07:38:22.846Z,10049,0,11,10,2,0,0,12.0,54338,anon3593942245,anon1487287987,"Hej @anon1487287987, fajnie Cię u nas widzieć. 

Myślę, że temat samozatrudnionej i zaradnej klasy średniej, którą tak się chwaliło od lat w Polsce, jest ciekawym elementem ogólnego społecznego krajobrazu i w jego zrozumieniu ukrywa się część odpowiedzi na pytanie - dlaczego Polacy zagłosowali na PiS w ostatnich wyborach i wciąż ich popierają. 

Mieszkamy w kraju, w którym być na swoim było zawsze oznaką mądrości i zaradności - ale wiemy też, że prawdziwych sukcesów brakuje. Na pewno paradoksem jest kult własnej firmy i brak solidnego przygotowania do tej roli  - czy wiesz, jak radzą sobie ludzie w innych profesjach i częściach kraju? Albo w Twojej profesji? 

W pewnym sensie widzę tutaj obecny rząd jako siłę, która przyszła takie rozczarowane różnymi obietnicami osoby uratować. Z drugiej strony zastanawiam się, czy zanon1547754019jąca się z trudnościami klasa średnia w jakikolwiek sposób zyskała na zanon1235093333nie politycznej w ostatnich latach? 

[Tu jest historia z tej samej bajki](https://edgeryders.eu/t/to-nie-jest-kraj-dla-zaradnych-ludzi/9851) - tym razem o tym, jaka pomoc w ramach opieki zdrowotnej należy się zaradnym przedsiębiorcom z sukcesami w Polsce..."
5,55312,2019-06-17T18:00:05.065Z,10049,0,9,8,3,0,0,31.8,54338,anon299151423,anon1487287987,"Hej,

Twoja historia jest bardzo w punkt. Opisuje aktualne rozterki wielu osób. Napisałaś, że wróciłaś na etat...Jak się z tym czujesz? Będziesz jeszcze kiedykolwiek próbowała wrócić na własną działalność? Dlaczego dokładnie musiałaś zrezygnować z prowadzonej przez siebie działalności? Była to kwestia wysokości opłat czy czegoś jeszcze innego?"
6,55343,2019-06-18T08:14:47.526Z,10049,0,10,9,1,0,0,21.8,54338,anon1341647036,anon1487287987,"Hej,

Dołączam się do pytania Pauliny, czy pozostaniesz na etacie czy będziesz kiedyś jeszcze raz chciała prowadzić własną działalność? Jakie warunki musiałby zostać spełnione, żebyś chciała jeszcze raz podjąć się takiego wyzwania?"
7,89813,2021-01-13T10:39:04.354Z,10049,0,5,4,1,0,0,5.8,54338,anon1836820155,anon1487287987,"Witaj @anon1487287987! Czy pandeanon1235093333 ma wpływ na twoje plany przedsiębiorcze? Czy Polska mierzy się z pandemią na koszt przedsiębiorców? @anon3839296096, @anon299151423, @anon1341647036, @anon3877365548, @anon"
1,53165,2019-05-06T22:12:59.564Z,9857,1,25,24,165,0,0,920.0,53165,anon2734079508,anon2734079508,"<image here> 
 

Moi rodzice (jak większość rodziców na świecie) nie czuli się przygotowani do tego, aby rozmawiać ze swoim dzieckiem o seksualności. Byli jednak świadomi tego, że tego tematu całkiem nie powinno się przemilczeć i pierwszą książkę kupili mi, kiedy nauczyłam się czytać. Pamiętam, że najbardziej zafascynował mnie fragment o tym, jak wygląda stosunek seksualny. Jako osoba od zawsze dużo czytająca, zwracałam uwagę na wszystko o seksualności, co wpadło mi w ręce. Przypuszczalnie w celu profilaktyki antynarkotykowej mama kupiła mi „My, dzieci z dworca ZOO” i o ile do narkotyków nigdy mnie nie ciągnęło, to nauczyłam się z niej nowych rzeczy o seksie (ani chcianym, ani radosnym). Poza tym edukowałam się jak wszyscy inni z telewizji, hollywoodzkich filmów i seriali. 

Już w podstawówce dotarło do mnie, że coś z kulturą wokół seksu jest nie tak. Pedagożka szkolna, która anon1235093333ła prowadzić wychowanie do życia w rodzinie, nie była w stanie przekazać żadnej konkretnej wiedzy. To, co zapamiętałam z nielicznych zajęć, to jej niechęć do relacji jej znajomych, w której mężczyzna podporządkował się żonie, a przecież powinno być odwrotnie. Doceniam inicjatywę mojej wychowawczyni, która przeprowadziła jedne zajęcia o miesiączce, ale z podziałem na płcie (nie wiem, czego w tym czasie uczyli się chłopcy), i po tym, jak sama zaczęłam miesiączkować. 

W liceum było jeszcze gorzej. Poszłam na pierwsze zajęcia z wychowania do życia w rodzinie i od razu z nich zrezygnowałam, bo prowadziła je studentka teologii. Dla mojej mamy było oczywiste, by dawać mi wybór w sprawach światopoglądowych. Była też na tyle świadoma, że zaprowadziła mnie do ginekolożki i nie był to w naszym domu temat tabu. Na lekcjach biologii poznawaliśmy za to głównie świat roślin, a jednym z ulubionych powiedzonek nauczycielki było „szklanka wody zaanon1235093333st seksu”. 

Mój wrodzony feminizm i rosnąca niezgoda na seksualną rzeczywistość doprowadziły mnie do Grupy Eduanon3213561856orów Seksualnych Ponton przy Federacji na Rzecz Kobiet i Planowania Rodziny, w której jako wolontariuszka działam od 13 lat. Moim celem stały się: bezpośrednia pomoc młodym ludziom, promowanie założeń nowoczesnej edukacji seksualnej i zanon1235093333na prawa zarówno szkolnego, jak i medycznego tak, by dostęp do bezpłatnej antykoncepcji i innych usług związanych ze zdrowiem seksualnym był możliwy dla wszystkich. Żaden rząd po 1989 roku nie wywiązał się z międzynarodowych i narodowych zobowiązań - rzetelnej edukacji seksualnej ani refundowanej antykoncepcji nadal w Polsce nie ma. To, co zmieniło się w ostatnich latach, to świadomość, że nasz dobrostan zależy także od możliwości podejmowania autonomicznych decyzji w dziedzinie seksualności (duże zasługi ma na tym polu Grupa Ponton) i potrzeba stworzyć do tego odpowiednie warunki. 

Żeby nastąpiła zanon1235093333na na poziomie prawa, musimy głosować na polityków i polityczki, którzy potrafią o tym rozmawiać w sposób otwarty. To, co każdy z nas może zrobić prywatnie, to: przemyśleć własne doświadczenia związane z edukacją seksualną i jak wpływają one na nasze życie, a także poszerzać wiedzę w oparciu o dobre źródła. Jeśli macie dzieci, warto sprawdzać, kto jakie informacje im przekazuje i wyanon1547754019ć od szkół rzetelnych lekcji wychowania do życia w rodzinie. 

Moja pasja stała się moją pracą. Od 2017 roku pracuję jako eduanon3213561856orka seksualna w Londynie. Prowadzę zajęcia w szkołach, klubach młodzieżowych, domach dziecka. W Wielkiej Brytanii nie zakłada się, że uczenie abstynencji może przynieść jakąkolwiek korzyść. Młodzi ludzie w każdym wieku mogą przyjść do kliniki zdrowia seksualnego i otrzymać wsparcie, antykoncepcję, zbadać się. Mam nadzieję, że za mojego życia będzie to możliwe w Polsce."
2,53242,2019-05-08T15:21:37.904Z,9857,0,24,23,2,1,0,29.8,53165,anon2446385507,anon2734079508,"@anon2734079508 ! Good to see you here, after we have met  in London earlier this year. Sorry, I'm writing in English with an automated translation below (anon3760934795ogies for mistakes). Your story resonated with me, in Romania during highschool I believe I had maximum 2 hours of ""education on sexual reproduction"", nothing to do with compelling sex education as we imagine it today. Even if I informed myself, a small part of me grew up like a prude. 

[quote=""anon2734079508, post:1, topic:9857""]
No government after 1989 did not meet international and national obligations - reliable sexual education or refunded contraception is still not in Poland.
[/quote]

Are there any alternatives at the moment? And do you think this awareness you mention which has increased since, can be a good source of political pressure? I recently heard about [Razem](http://partiarazem.pl/), who come from an activist tradition, what is your impression of them?

http://partiarazem.pl/2019/02/walentynki-robimy-razem/


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Dobrze cię tu widzieć, po tym jak spotkaliśmy się w Londynie na początku tego roku. Niestety, piszę po angielsku z automatycznym tłumaczeniem poniżej (przepraszam za błędy). Twoja historia rozbrzmiewała we mnie w Rumunii podczas liceum Wierzę, że anon1235093333łem maksymalnie 2 godziny „edukacji na temat reprodukcji seksualnej”, nic wspólnego z przekonywującą edukacją seksualną, jak to sobie dzisiaj wyobrażamy. Nawet gdybym się poinformował, mała część mnie dorastała jak pruder.

Czy są w tej chwili jakieś alternatywy? I czy uważasz, że ta świadomość, o której wspomniałeś, która wzrosła od tego czasu, może być dobrym źródłem presji politycznej? Ostatnio słyszałem o [Razem] (http://partiarazem.pl/), którzy wywodzą się z tradycji aktywistów."
3,53431,2019-05-14T09:00:39.846Z,9857,0,18,17,2,0,0,58.6,53165,anon2734079508,anon2734079508,"Hi anon2649858692mi, thank you for your comment. I will reply in Polish for Polish readers here.  

Sytuacja krajów Europy Wschodniej jest podobna. Działałam w organizacji Astra Youth zrzeszającej aktywistki i aktywistów z krajów, które są trochę pozostawione na uboczu przez społeczność międzynarodową, bo choć (niektóre) należą do UE i sytuacja ekonomiczna nie jest najgorsza, są daleko za Europą Zachodnią, jeśli chodzi o edukację seksualną i usługi medyczne związane ze zdrowiem seksualnym (np. dostęp do testów na infekcje przenoszone drogą płciową, prawa osób nieletnich do otrzymania antykoncepcji bez wiedzy rodziców/opiekunów).

Polska jest za to wyjątkiem, jeśli chodzi o bardzo restrykcyjne prawo aborcyjne. Nielegalna aborcja przy braku edukacji seksualnej w szkołach i darmowej antykoncepcji to bastion fundamentalizmu. Takie prawo ma na celu ograniczyć ludzką wolność do decydowania o sobie, łamie też wszelkie międzynarodowe zalecenia.   

Po latach odbijania się od kolejnych ministrów edukacji zrozuanon1235093333łam, że bardziej skuteczną drogą będzie działalność polityczna. Dołączyłam do partii, która chciała zmienić prawo w tym zakresie. Po 1989 roku pojawiały się projekty ustaw liberalizujących prawo aborcyjne i wprowadzające edukację seksualną, jednak każdy rząd był przeciwny. Obecnie postulaty te mają w swoim programie partie Razem i Wiosna."
4,53673,2019-05-20T10:22:17.597Z,9857,0,18,17,3,0,0,63.6,53165,anon2867672406,anon2734079508,"Nice to meet you @anon2734079508! Also writing in English with automated translation, sorry for not being able to write directly in Polish.

I was surprised by the ending of your story. Basically, you became an activist for better sexual education _in Poland_, but then went on to work as one _in England_. Is this correct? 

What is, now, the situation of the movement for better sex education on the ground in Poland?

***

Byłem zaskoczony zakończeniem twojej historii. Zasadniczo zostałeś działaczem na rzecz lepszej edukacji seksualnej _w Polsce_, ale potem zacząłeś pracować _w Anglii_. Czy to jest poprawne?

Jaka jest teraz sytuacja ruchu na rzecz lepszej edukacji seksualnej w Polsce?"
5,55220,2019-06-15T13:09:24.392Z,9857,0,16,15,1,0,0,38.2,53165,anon2734079508,anon2734079508,"Hi Alberto, sorry for replying with a delay but I have been to India on my personal sex education mission. I will continue in Polish. 

Wbrew temu, jak Ci się wydaje, nie porzuciłam edukacji seksualnej w Polsce. Cały czas działam w Grupie Ponton, wspieram ją merytorycznie i szkolę. Ponieważ w Anglii możliwości działania są znacznie większe, mam możliwość bardzo dużo się uczyć, żeby w przyszłości móc implementować nowe rozwiązania w innych krajach. Korzystam z dorobku różnych organizacji na całym świecie, interesuje mnie też rzecznictwo na poziomie międzynarodowym. Pojechałam teraz do Mumbaju, żeby poznać aktywistów i aktywistki, które działają na rzecz młodych ludzi i praw mniejszości. 

Sytuacja w Polsce jest trudna, zarówno minister edukacji, jak i rzecznik praw dziecka są całkowicie przeciwni edukacji seksualnej, a Grupa Ponton jest zawsze na celowniku. Społeczeństwo jednak się modernizuje i jedynie mniejszość podziela tego typu radykalne poglądy."
6,57130,2019-07-25T08:21:01.613Z,9857,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,53165,anon2446385507,anon2734079508,@anon
7,57131,2019-07-25T08:24:38.142Z,9857,0,5,4,0,0,0,16.0,57130,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,done
8,89748,2021-01-12T10:56:00.052Z,9857,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,53165,anon1836820155,anon2734079508,Witaj @anon2734079508! Jak się czujesz po Brexicie? Czy ma to wpływ na twoje plany osobiste lub rodzinne?
1,88011,2020-12-02T15:24:17.739Z,15026,1,16,15,129,0,0,718.2,88011,anon3877365548,anon3877365548,"<image here> 
 

I am based in Poland, in a rural area and community which created the initiative called Kooperatywa Izerska (website: http://kooperatywaizerska.org/), but at the same time I’m doing a Phd in alternative management, with permaculture management. I'm close to my field of study, which is the dispersed community living in a rural area in Poland. It’s rather a case study than a general theory on how to introduce the people to rural areas. 

**In this area there is a lot of new immigration from the cities** - from Warsaw, Wroclaw, and from different countries, not only from Poland, because the land for the past years was quite cheap to buy. **There was this fashion/trend to have an old stylish house in the rural areas. It goes also with the food sovereignty movement and trying to keep the quality of food in this area,** and preserving the traditional ways of cultivating the land and keeping the seeds, creating a food bank for them.

Even though it’s called a cooperative, the community has very diverse activities, also cultural ones.
The group is very fluent, it depends what the initiator of the activity is: for example - someone working with seeds gets help with harvesting by other people. We have maybe 10 active people who initiate activities like this, managing the cooperative to not lose the contact with farmers..

In the session about [bringing back human potential to rural areas](https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-we-are-learning-about-re-ruralisation-food-is-only-part-of-the-story/15000/), there was one question about **how do you convince people about the rural alternative.** 

I can say how ‘I convinced’ - you cannot do much, there is a mix of factors which attracts people. In this case, in my region, a lot of base work was made by cultural organisations, the first ones which landed here, and even after the collapse of communism 30 years ago. They were looking for an alternative to the official culture, and they found an old railway station and were stubborn to renovate it. They also created the Laboratory of Social Eco Village, very small in the beginning and very unwelcome by the local community. Then slowly, by organising bigger festivals, by making living in the village trendy, they showed different ways of understanding the village. They attracted a lot of artists that are currently living here, and people who would go to the festival as volunteers, and were the kind of escapists looking for a meaning in living. This gave a nice vision of the future, to have a community nearby.

I am also part of the researchers of this organisation: they have a lot of declarations of ecostyle, but it’s more hippie culture, not ecological in a strict sense. As they started to attract people, there was a snowball effect, and a lot of people interested in the ecological movement were looking for land, so now it’s a mix. We organised two local sovereignty forums which were dedicated to making a lively community around seeds, and local farmers - there aren’t a lot of them left in the countryside. 
What attracts people is an already settled group and a good marketing of this group: if you come, you don’t have to feel like a total outsider, with a lot of gossip around them as new settlers. We still have a cliche idea about new settlers, that are not part of the ethos. Before, it was Germany, and after the II world war there was a complete replacement of the existing population with newcomers from very different parts of Poland, as well as from the present-day areas of Ukraine and Belarus, which had previously been Polish and had a largely traditional Polish population. This resulted in the loss of the local identity to a large extent, the circumstances required to find oneself in a difficult climate, completely different from the previous one. **So this place is absorbent like a sponge when it comes to new cultural trends.** 

Summing up, it’s a particular case, but I think it is important to have the leader group (not a person) that is updated with the local law; and permaculture which is gaining popularity are important. We also have good local government here. The person who landed in the hippie festival is now a mayor of the town. It’s like a happy ending, he’s organising open circle forums and attracting new settlers to do something active here, by facilitating cooperation with local institutions.."
2,88024,2020-12-02T15:46:30.951Z,15026,1,14,13,2,1,0,32.8,88011,anon2446385507,anon3877365548,"[quote=""anon3877365548, post:1, topic:15026""]
The person who landed in the hippie festival is now a mayor of the town.
[/quote]

Wow what a story!! You won't believe it @anon3877365548 but speaking of good local government, in Romania we have a very similar story that started with activists moving in to stop a gold mine creation by a Caanon781457888n company. And then you end up with this hip youngster setting up shop in the village,  creating a local business and running for mayor!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/9k4za3/meet-the-guy-who-helped-save-a-town-from-actual-gold-diggers

A story also for @anon"
3,88029,2020-12-02T16:05:29.915Z,15026,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,88011,anon3877365548,anon3877365548,:heart_eyes: Thanks a lot for sharing this!!
5,88671,2020-12-09T06:58:57.432Z,15026,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,88062,anon2446385507,,"I have to say, for that village Rosia Montana in Romania, it took 12 years of activism and mobilisation, probono lawyers, a hip festival that brought a lot of other Romanian population in the region (music, crafts etc), similar to @anon3877365548's story !
What tipped the balance I believe were the continuous demonstrations in large cities agains the mining, where obviously many more people joined that weren't at all part of that hyperlocal community.. a critical mass, if you will.

Let me know what would you like to talk about/ learn from the group and I can get in touch with this young politician and introduce you. Or at least try, I am at a 1-2 social nodes distance from him.."
6,88771,2020-12-10T03:11:34.126Z,15026,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,88671,anon1659154220,anon2446385507,"Successful ecological activist victories that I have seen have been a combination of local protest and others working to influence things in the capital where the laws get made.  California's last old growth redwoods were saved in that way.  The persistent local protests and the tree sitting kept the story in the press and in the popular awareness, which put pressure on behalf of the work the lawyers and insiders with eco-minded positions were doing to get the laws changed."
7,88777,2020-12-10T09:30:17.970Z,15026,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,88771,anon3877365548,anon1659154220,"I completely agree @anon1659154220 
We had such a situation with the ""revitalization"" of the old basalt opencast mine. This area was an area left to nature, a bathing area liked by the residents, until the commune decided to turn the site into a landfill for waste imported from Germany, which did not meet the standards there, and these standards were lowered in this commune to make it legal. Of course, the company dealing with the procedure covered itself with inspections, but everything was done on standards much lower than those recognized by the European Union. There was a considerable protest that gathered and connected residents, showing the common solidarity and change of consciousness to a more sustainable one, in front of the seat of the commune council, which made the case publicized throughout the country. The company has suspended its work for a few months, but apparently, the area is already doomed to be a landfill. Interestingly, it takes place in the neighboring commune to the one described above.

(link below just in Polish, but it's the national webpage, just for illustration)
https://uwaga.tvn.pl/reportaze,2671,n/rebiszow-mieszkancy-nie-chca-smieci-z-zagranicy-sa-niebezpieczne,330158.html"
8,88786,2020-12-10T10:25:13.081Z,15026,1,12,11,1,1,0,12.4,88777,anon2446385507,anon3877365548,"[quote=""anon3877365548, post:7, topic:15026""]
There was a considerable protest that gathered and connected residents
[/quote]

Did the protest involve also people from outside the local community, like in the cases me and John mentioned? If yes,what do you think motivates the people (especially outsiders) to support a local cause and fight for nature?

In Romania's case - the protests were very focused on anti-corruption, because everyone knew that selling out land and giving permits was happening in negotiations behind the scene, without consulting the local community. These permits would then only benefit the main actors in the transactions, and would give way to exploitation of land without ecological or even long term economic returns for the community."
9,88855,2020-12-11T17:42:31.233Z,15026,0,11,10,2,0,0,27.2,88786,anon3877365548,anon2446385507,"In this case, is a bit more complicated :) 
People with longer and shorter years of living in this region appeared on the demonstations. Perhaps the great diversity was very attractive to the media: people from outside the region also came, mainly the most die-hard activists and artists associated with this rather artistic region. 
Performing change by artists is very necessary and will always find a place to be created by charismatic people. They certainly play an important role in the initial operation, but also needs rational and fundamental managers and people who directly influence the policy, including business."
10,89636,2021-01-11T11:01:10.874Z,15026,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,88011,anon1836820155,anon3877365548,"No surprise, that the downshifters are heading towards rural areas, because due to the lockdown many people realized that living in the nature offers valuable resources such as healing herbs, contact with animals, walking in the forest, physical activity, fresh air, local community and access to food.

I assume that such pragmatic issue as access to food will attract even more people to the rural areas in the future. There is a thriving initiative dedicated to food justice in Wroclaw. It is the foodsharing group ""Z glodu"" which reduces food waste and provides fruit and vegetables to over 50 people each week. It originated in summer 2020 and there is already a documentary about the self-organized group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5omujTNyjsw

Would you take part in the foodsharing project? @anon"
1,89162,2020-12-21T09:25:27.064Z,15125,0,14,13,3,0,0,62.8,89162,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<image here> 
 

Ewa Dryjańska @anon3454092161  is a freelance journalist from Poland. She studied international relations at the University of Warsaw and achieved a PhD from the same university examining the relations between China and Japan. She previously worked with green NGOs and has organised numerous educational and cultural events connected with the nuclear catastrophe in Fukushima. She writes in Polish and English on various issues including energy, social dimension and politics in different countries.

We are looking forward to her stories at the intersection of issues.. and nonetheless focused on real life problems.

> As a journalist I specialize in interviews and especially in the topics which are in between politics, ecology and social issues."
2,89163,2020-12-21T09:29:52.820Z,15125,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,89162,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon3454092161, I forgot to ask you: which one of the Wellbeing stories from Poland these years is your favourite, and why?

This would perhaps give us all a new way to look at what makes for impressive, engaging contributions!

Thanks and once again, welcome on board!
anon2649858692mi"
3,89204,2020-12-22T11:19:00.530Z,15125,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,89162,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"Ewa, welcome :) looking forward!"
1,88963,2020-12-15T08:30:33.117Z,15103,0,11,10,4,0,0,82.2,88963,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"This is to warmly welcome new team members who will be taking on roles as community journalists, following our [open call](https://edgeryders.eu/t/open-call-for-journalists-from-the-czech-republic-poland-and-serbia/14593) from a few weeks ago. Welcome on board @anon

To the community: what do you think of the topics they will explore? Do you find them useful? Feel free to propose other topics, we are continuously looking for relevant experiences from Poland, Serbia, the Czech Republic!  

### 
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anon343270668 is a librarian working as the cultural program manager in Public Library of Becej, in Serbia. *'By vocation, I am a philosophy professor, but I never worked as one :slight_smile: However, I did manage to use and promote the knowledge and skills I’ve obtained at the university to my everyday work with the library users, which is the reason why I also work as a librarian educator. Besides that, I was involved in politics and civic activism for many years, writing and coordinating projects, promoting policies on human rights and community issues. The last couple of years, I’m active in subjects regarding children’s safety (violence and negligence prevention and preservation of safety), by organizing and mentoring talks and round tables on the subject, between different institutions.'*

**One of anon343270668's 'research' topics in her role as a community journalist is to shed light on how this year and the pandemic is affecting those with mental health issues.** In the last years she has met a lot of people who are struggling. *'In Serbia, it seems that if you have mental health issues you're deemed crazy. I'm not sure if the society is changing, and more people talk about it, or if it's that more and more people are struggling with this'*.  She adds that *'nowadays on social media there is a dictatorship of ideas such as being creative, learning new things, but there are people struggling with existential things - like keeping a job. You have to have your basic needs fulfilled for you to be able to dream or do some other things. There are stories I want to pursue about people who have ideas, and try to create new things, but stories of hardships are very relevant. Keeping one's job is about keeping their wellbeing.'*

### Dragan Jonic

![Dragan|624x349](upload://3jv1JqkLKQbzakT0ONtcPXI6Lut.png) 

Dragan has recently joined Edgeryders and has been truly shaping our conversation and events about local food and rural farming! He masterfully described the situation of small farming fighting big agri businesses, and is also, in his words, a 'die-hard' environmentalist activist by vocation, *'fighting against the development of run-of-river hydropower plants in vulnerable and sensitive mountainous biotopes in Serbia. '* Don't miss his [piece on how ecological movements contributed to the food revival](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-do-we-bring-people-back-to-rural-areas-and-support-local-food-production/14682) in the small community around the Stara Planina Rivers.

We are very curious to learn more about how people living in rural Serbia are coping with the advent of capitalism and find new structures for local economies and local governance!"
2,88966,2020-12-15T08:50:28.943Z,15103,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,88963,anon781457888,anon2446385507,Yayy! Welcome on board @anon
3,88971,2020-12-15T09:50:07.606Z,15103,0,10,9,1,0,0,82.0,88963,anon343270668,anon2446385507,"Thank you anon2649858692mi, Bojan and everyone for such a warm welcome! Looking forward to working with you all on this project. 🌺 Also, greetings to other journalists and especially to my fellow-citizen @anon"
1,86141,2020-11-02T20:32:22.268Z,14736,1,22,21,9,0,0,129.4,86141,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"<image here> 
 
This rural to urban migration is unsustainable, we all know it. It raises a huge number of socio economic issues, which impact our quality of life in so many ways. Two biggest I see are health and finances. Those two are some of the pillars of our wellbeing but they are all connected.
For me, if a person is healthy and has financial stability, it starts growing and thinking of others. Society as the last pillar would be us, being useful and contributing to the community much more, forging stronger relationships.

A lot of people voiced their concerns about life in rural areas. Lack of infrastructure, not enough entertainment or cultural activities, much less intense social life, for many it is lack of job opportunities etc...this really shows the difficulty in bringing younger people in.
When I see abandoned lands and ruins, I see an opportunity to create [something different](https://www.regenvillages.com/). It's like a second chance, as every village could become a town, and later some kind of a city...OR NOT. Why not create new models for future? 
When I see small villages, with mainly older population and limited young population, I see potential for [learning](https://www.effekt.dk/regenvillages) and growth.
There is abundance in our deserted or low populated countryside but it all revolves around human potential. In current state, it is also our biggest obstacle.
The issue I see nowadays is that the villages we imagine today are the villages we see when we go on vacation and the villages we see in the movies (rednecks in the only village cafe, drinking  themselves to death, looking to beat somebody up, few teenagers dreaming of promises in big cities...you literally hear the loneliness in the winds outside and smell the cow manure). 
@anon4070699437 touched that point [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/registrations-poprebel-food-localisation-30-october-2020/14326/85?u=anon3346229079) 
[quote=""anon4070699437, post:85, topic:14326""]
On the idea of being closer to the land I’m rather thinking about my own experience as I would love to be more connected to nature as a youngish :smiley: and never-been-farmer urban, meaning rather spending systemically more time in rural areas while not giving up urban life.
This doesn’t mean that I should just move to a smaller city or to a peripheral suburban area looking at my kitchen garden and cows ruminating from my window :sweat_smile: I’m rather pointing at the possibility of suburban citizens to actively participate and more profoundly be aware of the food chains that support our (urban) livelihoods.
I’m thinking for instance about seasonal work that could be taken over by workers in the city (see btw what happened with [desbrasdansnosassiette](https://desbraspourtonassiette.wizi.farm/) during the spring lockdown) and how the city could be useful for rurals on the other hand, on top of our natural role of ‘compost makers’ which is still far from being accomplished in most cities (see [the latest report](https://issuu.com/urbanecologycentre/docs/20190613_phosphore_rapport_scientif) from ‘operation phosphore’ for Brussels).
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**Those a great points and I will expand on them further.**

Here is the standard village model today (the prevalent one):
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The issue here is, it's hard to attract young people as they have legitimate concerns, which I put as basic prerequisite of infrastructure, health and activities. Human potential is everything.
No human potential, no use of available resources, no core village economy and no potential of growing and **diversifying it**.
In this very moment there are tens of thousands of rural entrepreneurs all over Europe, trying to start or expand their activities, and they cannot even find somebody to work with. On the other hand, we have so many unemployed people in big cities.
I tried to build a solution for that, didn't work out but not because it wasn't needed :slight_smile:. It deserves a separate post, which I will create as promised @anon95046639
**There is absolutely no reason why the above model should be the one to follow or limit ourselves to. There are infinite possibilities available now, here are just some of them**
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That is why I will go back to Irene's way of thinking, as I have been in that same boat for years... switching between Brussels and Croatian rural areas. That kind of lifestyle is quite compatible too, if you are not planning serious projects in the countryside which require a lot of attention.
I have a company in Brussels. My illustrators are from Poland and Russia, graphic designers are from Poland and Serbia, narrator from UK, animator UK + me, manufacturing Germany for most of it, some parts Poland and Lithuania, prototypes or demanding custom parts production is in China. Some prototypes and custom pieces are made in Brussels too. Product reviewers/content creators are all over the world. Shirts illustrator is in Serbia, manufacturer is in UK, flyers are made in Holland, banners in Belgium, stall walls for fairs made in Italy. My testers are in Belgium, Serbia and Croatia.
I have never met most of them, some I met once or twice (only testers I meet regularly).
This is just one small company. Do you see now why today we can do so much more from the rural areas as well? My company could just as well be anywhere.

There will always be people enjoying work in nature and with nature, me being one of them. They can produce **higher quality food** which we would **pay much less** if we lived in the neighborhood.
What rural areas need are people who see there is no limit to what they can do. People who can bring different perspectives, experiences, knowledge and skills the rural regions so badly need.
Imagine the innovation if you would have all these people living in villages or small towns, talking and working with the farmers and local craftsmen and mixing their experiences to find new solutions for old problems...or relearn old solutions for new problems? ;)

What I encounter today are just few people like that in villages, or none at all. People with great insight and vision, but they literally have nobody to talk to. I share some of my ideas with them, to help them or often just hear their ideas on the subject, and end up staying so much more. They don't want to let me leave and always thank me so much for such a great conversation, which they cannot usually have. That shows us the states of villages and why they greatly need migration of young professionals from the cities.

Even if we started with a small coworking/coliving settlement and none of us specifically wanted to be  a farmer, there are so many solutions:
1. Well we would have to be really isolated not to have access to food we could simply buy :slight_smile:
 2. We could easily have shared gardens, there are so many examples of that. Even better, create shared permaculture gardens, which are mostly self sustainable ecosystems requiring much less effort. We could have everything we need with each of us having to contribute few hours of work in it per week.
3. We could make an open call for people to join us, specifically people who would enjoy doing something like that. They would have a guaranteed market next door :slight_smile: . It's a fact people come and stay when they feel the right environment for prospering, just like any other organism on this planet.

Considering the current evolution of remote working, much worse living conditions in urban areas and fragility of the system which will be exposed as of next year if this continues, I expect a lot of people will move or want to move to rural areas.
I would look to be in a 30 min range by car to a nearby city, just as the village of my grandparents is from my home town, Zadar.
If you move around Brussels, there are high chances you will be moving for 30 minutes :slight_smile:, so again it is really just a matter of perspective.
I also can travel via Zadar airport to so many places, the world is small today :) 

Also, as @anon781457888 already said, cultural activities or sports etc depend only of us, the human potential. As the communities like this one would grow, so would opportunities for every kind of activity.

Right now there is a lot of money being funneled towards rural development and innovation. Internet has been recognised long time ago as basic human right and we see the evolution today. It is possible to have a high speed internet in so many more rural areas than 3-4 years ago. There is money, there are opportunities, the biggest obstacles are lack of knowledge, shift in paradigm needed, and sometimes it is the lack of local will. 
From what I saw in Croatia, 90% of the local managing authorities will support you if you present the project in the right way and involve the locals from the start. They always look for an angle for them, of course, so compromises have to be made (if nothing else to let them take the credit haha). Mostly they really see the direct benefits for them too, so you will likely first encounter skepticism but then support. 

Right now Croatia is going through centralisation, it is one of the main conditions for billions of euros in funding from EU. That means decision making will shift to bigger cities, which will make it a bit harder locally but at the same time offer better support for bigger projects, involving 5-6 municipalities for example.

I believe the keys here are: 
1. Creating core groups or catalysts
2. Bottom up first, so starting innovative businesses and building up
3. Planned development through the authorities 
**And in exactly that order.**

It is hard to justify investing in a scarcely populated village with the authorities, but it can be done. Once you have the basic infrastructure, increase visibility through some public programs involving media, showcase all the positives (and there are so many) and the potential, I know many more people would come. More people = more money and ability to support community beneficial development. By community I mean, choosing an optimal place to build something which will benefit 20 communities in a 15 km radius.
It's like Copenhagen mayor answered the question on why so many Danes use bicycles in the capital:
""If you build more roads, people will use more cars. If you build more bicycle paths, they will use more bicycles"".
There are communities being [created](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqKnDDavIqBKZuvgQtYAJsA) or already [functioning](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_9nam7A0To&ab_channel=TEDxTalks) like that all over the world. There are many examples of good practices out there, which can be adapted to local needs. We don't need to reinvent the wheel in many cases.
**Now, to a personal example:**

I opened a family business in Croatia in anon4110936133uary this year. I threw my net as well more than a year ago, the result being forming of a mastering group of 6 individuals. We all have companies, both in Croatia and abroad. We work in different fields but we have one thing in common: passion for countryside and sustainable development.

I already bought lands and old stone houses I need, but I am buying more by anon4110936133uary next year. Meaning as of March next year I will be speeding up everything. At the same time, we plan development as a group, meaning we plan our main or side activities to be complementary. Basically we can cooperate on many levels and we will contribute to each other success.

The result of this year's activities is connecting 3 villages to the water and electricity grid. There are few more in line. That is the result of persistence and patience with local authorities. If they decide to sabotage us, we will skip them and go few levels up. Then they will be pressured from above and things will start happening again...not extremely hard.
 I plan on developing family wine making further and experimenting with [regenerative farming](https://www.eitfood.eu/projects/the-regenerative-agriculture-revolution-2020) solutions and implementation of circular economy locally, increasing efficiency.
There is an interesting [article](https://medium.com/sciforce/smart-farming-or-the-future-of-agriculture-359f0089df69) on smart farming here but, it focuses only on efficiency and productivity. It will also mostly benefit the biggest players. I don't believe in that future. I believe in future where a lot of smaller farmers provide good quality produce for a decent price. They can benefit greatly from smart farming as well.
Further I am building a series of homes with few common spaces for fun activities, workshops etc. One maker space for craftsmen as well. I will offer it for rent to people from cities willing to experiment with life in a countryside. I guess they will know after 6 months or a year if they can be happy in such an environment. Ideally, they could spread their knowledge to locals during their stay, whatever that knowledge is. By locals I mean everyone in a 20 km radius as I will make sure the venue is well known very fast :slight_smile: . After that, if they are happy there and want it, I will help them get everything they need to build their own home there.

That is my experiment, and I am sure it will work really well.

Parallel to my project, I will push a regional project (which is the scaled down version of what I already tried building but failed). Its core is promotion of the region (goods and services), network building and bridging the gap between rural and urban areas.
By bridging the gap I mean giving valuable information to urban dwellers, like job opportunities and why their quality of life can improve so much in rural areas.

**The biggest obstacle we might need to solve is the disconnection:**
1. Disconnection between the current image of rural areas and reality in which so much more is possible
2. Disconnection between rural and urban dwellers (both cultural and information wise)
3. Disconnection between policy makers and reality of people on the field

Finally, I would like to repeat what Nadia said: most of these issues are solved with human potential so we really just need to network, organise and start doing it. You would be surprised how many people are looking into moving to the countryside and **they would be surprised how happy they could be there** :slight_smile: 

I wrote so much already, and I tried to cover the core issues I see, but I am sure I missed things too. I didn't go into the ""system"" part of it as it is complex and part of the much longer term goals.
**Things I spoke about here can be achieved in 2 years and I will contribute my maximum into making it a powerful example of success.**

What are your thoughts on all this? Experiences you can share? Ways in which you are changing things for better locally?"
2,86152,2020-11-02T22:43:52.427Z,14736,1,17,16,1,0,0,73.4,86141,anon2661411812,anon3346229079,"I will hopefully (and probably) end up living in a rural place in Nepal within the next few years, and due to that had much of the same thoughts and conclusions that you mention in your post. Thank you very much, it's a good read, and refreshing to know there are others with a vision for the countryside :sunny:

Now based on that Nepal perspective, here are some more points to help put this vision into a globally applicable context:

1. **Internet.** That is the only infrastructure we can't put in place ourselves in rural areas, or only with real difficulty. Fortunately, [Starlink](https://www.starlink.com/) has 800 sanon3922700746tes up already, and should be ready for global use in 2021. Which from one day to the next brings fast Internet to the last village on the planet. The Ka-Band sanon3922700746tes etc. provide a similarly cheap service for Europe already, but in most so-called developing areas sanon3922700746te Internet is still expensive, and geostationary sanon3922700746tes are quite useless for voice and video links, anyway.

2. **Other infrastructure.** In my mind, there is no need for most of the infrastructure that government tends to install, including the water grid, electricity grid, wastewater connection, trash disposal, and (most) roads. With current tech options, this is cheaper and more sustainably solved at the house or neighborhood level. So no worries here … but it means ""it takes a village to build a village"":

3. **Commune / community.** This is how I imagine rural sustainable development to be possible even in very remote places such as Western Nepal. Essentially, don't expect people to go there alone or as a single family to ""start something"", but as a commune of enough people so that they can be sure to have enough of the ""human potential"" of their liking around. Also, this will be enough people to allow building ones own infrastructure, as there can be a certain level of specialization (solar, water, Internet etc.). 15–20 people are enough when also allowing for a fluctuation of guests, which can constantly bring in new interesting people for a time. Such as, digital nomads:

4. **Digital nomad lifestyles.** I don't see this as something inherently bad, but as another way to connect the urban and rural areas with benefits for both sides (if done right). Urbanites might not like to stay in rural areas full-time, but easily 2-6 months in a row as digital nomads. Saw a prediction yesterday that in 2021, 36% of the whole workforce will permanently be remote workers in the U.S., as companies discovered that productivity rises with that mode of work. It will be similar in other ""developed"" areas. If only 5% of these people discover the digital nomad lifestyle for themselves, nice rural places will have a constant influx of people to choose from. 

    For example, a friend of mine has a house in Gorkha, a rural municipality in Nepal with maybe 10,000 people, and 40,000 more in all the villages around it. Her place has speedy Internet already, a beautiful view of the Annapurna Himal, and is also the start of the Annapurna Circuit trek. Yet it's not touristy at all, even neglected in that regard. Perfect spot to have houses for digital nomads, if you ask me.

5. **To deal or not to deal with government.** It's great to hear that your dealings with local government in Croatia are productive. I'm afraid the outcome will not be that in many villages in so-called developing areas. Fortunately, the points mentioned above (own infrastructure, coming as a community etc.) also mean that in practice very little to no dependency on local government is left. Overheard this in Nepal: ""Because the government is not dependable, we have these tight family bonds."" That's people's security system and mode of getting something done, and I think it can work quite well when extended beyond relatives to intentional communities, and when combined with good human organizing. That last thing is the remaining challenge that I see; which is why (in a different thread) I tried to talk @anon2979239943 into doing an ethnographic study of successful commune and community organizing."
3,86154,2020-11-02T23:30:20.751Z,14736,0,17,16,1,1,0,38.4,86152,anon3346229079,anon2661411812,"Wow Nepal! Definitely a place I would like to visit for few months :slight_smile: 
[quote=""anon2661411812, post:2, topic:14736""]
In my mind, there is no need for most of the infrastructure that government tends to install, including the water grid, electricity grid, wastewater connection, trash disposal, and (most) roads.
[/quote]

Very true, there are really good solutions for most places and that's why I wouldn't worry much even if it was an isolated area. I consider those as least energy/investment demanding though. If we are to build such a community anywhere, it's a huge boost to have such infrastructure...for construction and development above all. It also allows for those initial groups to be smaller and less specialised in those fields.
It is especially important if it is young urban enthusiasts who don't really have the knowledge/haven't worked on moving to the countryside for few years like me or you who made a self sustainable home in an old truck (if i remember correctly) hehehe.
 
For your 5th point: well I believe it varies greatly from place to place so we can't really know until we get there and try getting things done :slight_smile: 
That's why I am not going out of EU at the moment. If I am to start it somewhere, I want it to be a familiar ground, both in terms of laws and culture/mentality :slight_smile:. Also overall it is possible to find many places in EU which cost next to nothing, are in amazing nature and still have easier access to infrastructure. 

I follow closely developments with remote working, tendencies and the shift happening now. Building places for remote workers seems to be a no brainer in this conditions. 

[quote=""anon2661411812, post:2, topic:14736""]
Her place has speedy Internet already, a beautiful view of the Annapurna Himal, and is also the start of the Annapurna Circuit trek. Yet it’s not touristy at all, even neglected in that regard. Perfect spot to have houses for digital nomads, if you ask me.
[/quote]

Yeah I get your point, there are so many hidden gems out there and locals most often have no idea of the touristic value :slight_smile:
There are people in Croatia renting wooden huts in the middle of nowhere...really nowhere near any civilisation. Now they are full until April already (all city people wanting to work from a place looking like a natural park). All locals, that's the funny part for them. They tell me in amazement how their guests come and just sit on the terrace, being totally speechless...or marveling at the rain (which they find hilarious :rofl:).

Hope everything goes according to your desire, we should keep exchanging ideas/info about our initiatives."
4,86167,2020-11-03T07:14:27.612Z,14736,1,15,14,1,1,0,58.0,86141,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:1, topic:14736""]
You would be surprised how many people are looking into moving to the countryside and **they would be surprised how happy they could be there** :slight_smile:
[/quote]

I'm not surprised, and like @anon4070699437, I also have thoughts of some kind of contribution in the future.. I think the roadblock is getting started - if one could have an opportunity to spend at least some months a year on a rural farm helping out, without dropping work and the salary that pays your rent in the city, or children to take care of, but not starting a new life project altogether, i think that would be a more reasonable target. It's in line with Matt's point above too - digital nomadism, not the extractive way.

In the end though, it's the same economics that seem to be pushing us out of cities whether we like it or not. Maybe it's because of the culture of house ownership I grew up in, in communist Romania, but I somehow cannot fathom the idea of rent for life in a city, and working just to be able to cover that rent.. let alone saving for harsh times. So actually *because* of economics we might be pushed aside from city life anyways..

@anon1466844745 this post could be interesting for you too, as I think coliving in a rural community could also make the transition to a well serviced life there easier.
@anon"
5,86232,2020-11-03T15:10:29.311Z,14736,2,14,13,1,0,0,107.8,86141,anon538672178,anon3346229079,"Thinking about the core groups, and the human capital... Have you ever heard of ""Cooperative di Comunità"" (Community Cooperatives or maybe Communal Cooperatives)? There are several initiatives in Italy ongoing under the Rural Development umbrella framework, LAGs (Local Action Groups) and LEADER (Liaison entre actions de développement de l'économie rurale) approach. The main characteristics: territorial coops experimenting with new models of management, sharing and cooperation between public and private organizations. Principles: no discrimination, democracy, participation, mutual aid, sustainability. If interested, I can provide a free publication - I should have it somewhere - with many examples (ecovillages, incubators, Farm Cultural Parks)..."
6,86239,2020-11-03T16:42:25.477Z,14736,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,86232,anon3346229079,anon538672178,"Hi Angelo, yes I worked with LAGs for years but in Croatia we are far behind Italy in that sense. I saw already 6 years ago examples of amazing local cooperation in Italy and we are far from that even now...we have some obstacles which Italy doesn't have though.
Biggest ones are loss of trust due to war and highly politicised society. 
There are success stories but very few."
7,86240,2020-11-03T16:48:12.276Z,14736,0,15,14,2,1,0,88.0,86167,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:4, topic:14736""]
I’m not surprised, and like @anon4070699437, I also have thoughts of some kind of contribution in the future… I think the roadblock is getting started - if one could have an opportunity to spend at least some months a year on a rural farm helping out, without dropping work and the salary that pays your rent in the city, or children to take care of, but not starting a new life project altogether
[/quote]

Totally. That's why I am building exactly that, to remove the initial big roadblock and offer that flexibility to people. Come, stay a month, 3 or 6...whatever...and see what works for you. Establish your terms. My hope is they will see the light :slight_smile:
For me, the countryside life offers so much higher degree of freedom. Owning a home and being able to grow my own food is a big part of personal freedom. By freedom I don't mean only in the literal sense, I mean also in a sense that you don't depend so much of the outside factors...so you can have higher integrity of the mind as well."
8,86253,2020-11-03T22:36:42.671Z,14736,1,15,14,2,0,0,33.0,86232,anon891735967,anon538672178,"Very interested in this Angelo, if you find the publication?"
9,86265,2020-11-04T10:23:55.619Z,14736,0,15,14,1,0,0,68.0,86253,anon538672178,anon891735967,"Here you go http://www.pianetapsr.it/flex/cm/pages/ServeBLOB.php/L/IT/IDPagina/2450
It's in Italian, but I think that the names of the villages and initiatives is understandable"
10,86449,2020-11-09T10:04:53.646Z,14736,0,14,13,1,0,0,22.8,86141,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Save the date!
Hei everyone, since rural rebuilding has become such a common point of resonance in our Food event from a few weeks ago, we will be hosting a follow up session to talk about it in 2 weeks - 23 November at 18:00 CET. Let me know if you'd like to attend by leaving a comment here?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/EVENT-how-to-bring-back-human-potential-to-rural-areas-you-need-to-offer-them-more-than-just-a-plot-of-land/14769"
11,87399,2020-11-22T17:34:56.742Z,14736,1,14,13,1,0,0,42.8,86141,anon2817779543,anon3346229079,"I imagine that one of the main challenges in moving into a rural location is integration with the local community. My own experience, essentially in a single extended household here, is that we don't interact much with the local community, and that's not a problem. However I can well imagine that a larger group, or anything that looks like a commune, could cause issues. I've had that in a previous move a long long time ago.

So maybe that's an issue to raise? What are effective strategies for connecting with the local community; for being appreciated as an asset rather than seen as a threat to the established social order?"
12,87408,2020-11-22T23:23:02.253Z,14736,0,14,13,1,0,0,52.8,87399,anon3346229079,anon2817779543,"True, it is almost always the initial reaction. From my experience, it takes very little to bridge that gap. I went often into smaller communities where nobody knew me, not to live though, but as part of work. I could easily reach understanding, after the initial distrust. I do understand the customs or local rules though and I am always very open...they quickly understand I try to help, even if they don't believe my ideas will work :sweat_smile:

Don't have experience in directly creating a community like that and interacting with locals through it. I do have some experience in bringing communities together, but different nationalities (all locals though). I believe the community - local interaction would be much easier. I would do it through organising some fun events or community-benefiting initiatives. No matter what people think of you, there will always be some recognising the good common good. It takes only establishing a relationship with 2-3 locals and the word should spread fast.

Why do you not interact much with the local community? By you saying it doesn't matter much, I guess you aren't making much effort as well? Did you try at first, but it didn't work so you decided to let it be?

I don't have that gap with my project as my grandparents are from the community and I have spent so much time there...it is also the Croatian seaside so much more open by default.

Just 1 month ago I came back from there. I spent most evenings enjoying in company of people from Argentine, Italy, Ethiopia, Germany, Scotland etc...and all of the, were working there hehe, so not passing by on vacation.

It is a region with extremely favorable climate for people suffering from asthma or other respiratory issues. I know of 3 families, from England, from continental Croatia and one from Germany who just came on doctor's recommendation and stayed when they saw their condition improve so much after just 3 weeks.

I hope we will have much bigger international community there soon :slight_smile:"
13,88298,2020-12-04T19:06:26.604Z,14736,1,11,10,2,0,0,47.2,86141,anon3877365548,anon3346229079,"Hi!
I would like to post information here, maybe there will be people willing to be included in the joint research project written by me and my institute. The project is part of the Polish grant program, but strongly focused on international cooperation and is called ""Urgent Grants"" to investigate the phenomena occurring right now that could be a local response to the climate, social and health crisis - everything is naturally closely connected and impossible to perceive separately :).
Our team includes ethnographer-management researchers, a sociologist, and a geographer. We want to conduct biographical interviews with the founders of ecological communities in Poland. We would see international cooperation as creating a polyphony in the area of ​​respondents - a foreign partner could conduct such interviews in their own environment. Material could be compared to create a variety of stories and responses to the crisis. Cooperation can be established with university or research units. I will gladly provide more details by e-mail. Deadline for submitting the application is until the end of December, implementation time 3-12 months, starting from the moment chosen by us.
Maybe if you know someone who would be interested, you can pass it on. Thank you very much! :green_heart:"
14,88482,2020-12-07T13:51:58.509Z,14736,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,88298,anon2446385507,anon3877365548,"Hi @anon3877365548, I just saw this, what a cool opportunity! If you would be open to a partner like Edgeryders, I'm happy to join a call with you to learn more. We are a private company registered in Estonia, with a non profit aim, but as you know we are an international organisation in our reach and projects.  Part of our work in the Wellbeing in Europe project next year is to do ethnography on stories like the ones you mentioned, and Poland is already one of our focus countries. We would love to help expand your efforts in the project you mentioned.

Let me know, you know our email if you would want to have a call and discuss !"
15,88632,2020-12-08T15:59:28.339Z,14736,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,86141,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,"This is an informative look at the issue of lithium mining and its potential ecological and economic impact, focused on Portugal which has large untapped lithium deposits. You probably know that lithium is an essential component of rechargeable batteries.  It is of course all too easy for us as we carry around these little super phones that are the product of intense mining and extraction, often in places far removed from the eyes of the customers.  At the same time, jobs get created and money flows in the countryside.  A look at the tradeoffs...

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/dec/08/the-curse-of-white-oil-electric-vehicles-dirty-secret-lithium?utm_term=c0d2892716b05c6a8d0e8ab626eba328&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUS_email"
1,87862,2020-11-30T15:48:25.051Z,15003,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,87862,anon1836820155,anon1836820155,"In the future, I would suggest partnership with organizations from Poland, which have their audience and can spread information about the events. It takes a while to build relationships with locals. The word-of-mouth invitations via Facebook, emails or LinkedIn are not the most efficient channel in the low-trust environment.

Hopefully users who landed on EdgeRyders in autumn 2020 will become valuable contributors in the future because their personal narratives are very interesting.

The [health event](https://edgeryders.eu/t/webinar-czym-jest-dla-ciebie-opieka-jak-ty-poanon1547754019sz-innym-w-trakcie-pandemii/14694/8) brought together a researcher and a person who works in the healthcare system which sparked a conversation with valuable insights about the health care in Poland. In particular, digitalisation and its reliance on the corporate media channels was explored. Both @anon

**Dokumentacja się bazuje na transkrypcji z nagrania video. To jest tekst typu wiki i uczestniki mogą edytować własne słowa.**

Celem wydarzenia było inicjować znaczącą współpracę w obszarze opieki zdrowotnej i społecznej. Spotykamy się na zoomie, żeby zobaczyć, jakie wspólne priorytety i tematy się pojawiają, a następnie Edgeryders zarządza społecznością, aby badać nowe projekty z zainteresowanymi.

@anon

@anon2473306531: Hospicjum mieści obecnie 19 łóżek, 19 pacjentów. Kończymy właśnie przebudowę na ilość 25. Do nas przyjeżdżają ludzie z całej Polski. Hospicjum istnieje od piętnastu lat i poanon1547754019 nie tylko umierającym, ale również niesamodzielnym. Zarówno stacjonarne, jak i hospicjum domowe, ponieważ tych pacjentów potrzebujących opieki w trakcie umierania jest bardzo dużo. Istnieje Stowarzyszenie Hospicjum Łódzkie, w którym działają w dużej mierze przyjaciele ks. anon4110936133a Kaczkowskiego, który był bardzo nowoczesnym księdzem i anon1235093333ł bardzo duże grono sympatyków.

@anon

@anon1836820155: Taka sytuacja nie dziwi, ale wciąż jest podział personelu medycznego na wykształconych lekarzy i pielęgniarki, ratowników medycznych i wielu osób, które obsługują pacjenci w szpitalach. I te wszystkie czynności nie możliwe zastąpić telemedycyną.

@anon2473306531: Od ponad roku pracujemy nad stworzeniem platformy dla opiekunów. Właśnie za chwile mamy premierę w gronie pracowników i przyjaciół Hospicjum. Będzie to ogólnodostępny serwis internetowy, pomocnik dla opiekujących się chorymi w domu, oferujący konkretne instrukcje w zakresie opieki nad chorym, wsparcia psychologicznego i niezbędnych formalności. Jak hospicjum mamy pacjentów nie tylko onkologicznych, spotykamy się z wieloma różnymi chorobami, włącznie z wirusem covid-19. Mamy kontrakt z NFZ. Pacjenci przez brak dostępności do lekarza pierwszego kontaktu zapadają na ciężkie choroby i w momencie, kiedy dochodzi do diagnostyki, jest dużo zaniedbań. Nikt nie podaje statystyk umieralności teraz pacjentów onkologicznych, kardiologicznych, neurologicznych, bo to jest bardzo duży wzrost śmiertelności.

@anon1836820155: Czy istnieją w Polsce death cafe?

@anon2473306531: Tak, akurat czekam na takie spotkanie tematycznie związane z przeżywaniem żałoby, to jest też temat tabu. My nie umiemy się zachować w obliczu śmierci i żałoby. Jeśli chodzi o hospicjum i naszych opiekunów, to mamy małe grono psychologów. Nasi psychologowie zajmują się również grupą dzieci przeżywających żałobę po odejściu naszych pacjentów. Są takie osoby które w dwa-trzy miesiące potrafią już pogodzić się z odejściem bliskiej osoby ale też takie osoby które w żałobę przeżywają lata.

Nasi chorzy niestety są w obecnym czasie pozbawieni możliwości kontaktu z rodzinami. Musimy trzymać ten reżim, nie ma odwiedzin w hospicjum. Korzystamy z tabletu, z nowych technologii, żeby się spotykać z rodzinami i wolontariuszami i porozmawiać na kamerkę. Ale jednak kontakty w realu są dużo ważniejsze. Nie może być odwiedzin, bo jest to bardzo ryzykowne dla pacjentów, my też musimy dbać o swój personel hospicjum, żeby nie został zarażony. Kontakt jest naprawdę ograniczony.

@anon

@anon1836820155: Myślę że na całym świecie tak jest.

@anon

@anon2473306531: Byłam chora w październiku i wykonała 270 telefonów, żeby dodzwonić się do przychodni. W końcu usłyszałam, że lekarz nie przyjmuje, nie ma wolnych miejsc, ponieważ w ogóle nie mam możliwości załatwienia sprawy. Na kolejny dzień tez nie ma takiej możliwości, bo one rejestrują rano na co dzień bieżący. Nie ma możliwości w ogóle porozmawiać z żadnym lekarzem. Miałam poczucie lęku i frustracji po prostu sprawia, że są ludzie zagrożeni. Niebezpieczne sytuacje i to się zgadzam. Poza tym te doświadczenia pozostaną w pamięci i tak będzie odbierana służba zdrowia.

@anon"
1,86444,2020-11-09T09:15:40.774Z,14769,2,43,42,73,0,0,488.6,86444,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"## Event 23 November at 18:00 - 19:30 CET

The purpose of this event is to learn about initiatives (new and ongoing) which are contributing to rural re-development by actions taken by people, communities, cities and other stakeholders.

**To join, please Register by leaving a comment below. Tell us why you are interested in this topic: are you or your friends moving to a rural area or starting a project there? who should be supporting revitalisation of the countryside? should we rely on our politicians or can we, as a community, help ourselves out of this crisis situation where local food is not enough available or too expensive to produce sustainably?**

We will send the link to the Zoom meeting one day before the event. 

### Session background 
The event follows our session from a few weeks ago on [Food localisation](https://edgeryders.eu/t/event-invitation-sustainable-agriculture-and-food/14493). Participants made important points: we need to better support and acknowledge the Farmer; it is difficult to produce local food and set the prices right so that local or organic products are also affordable for the masses; and above all, the question arised: how can we make local food more widespread? and more generally, how can more capacity be built in rural areas?
 
Here is what others are saying about the urban - rural gap and how we could support closing the gap.

**Rural areas are not attractive, not vibrant. How could we have more farmers or do more farming?** 
The first ideas were shared by Irene who talked about [‘neo-rurals’ here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/registrations-poprebel-food-localisation-30-october-2020/14326/85), and this was mentioned again during the session on Food localisation. @anon806073661 asked this too. @anon


**The need to build new business models in rural farming**

@anon122942479, civil servant: In Holland, you have a big gap between large scale farmers (who have invested a lot in scale up) and the smaller community, they can’t compete with the prices. We don’t want to lose those farmers, they are more than food producers: they take care of the landscape, they produce also social value. You can’t put that in money. Big companies come in, and they don’t look at the value of the community. When the land is depleted, they go off to the next one.

> I’m thinking about the system change from within. What we do is we say: we’re going to help those farmers. How is your farm doing? How is your business model built? What challenges are around you and how can we make that into a money maker for you? For example, if you have landscape elements we give you subsidies to keep them there. We are going to help you put innovative solutions in your companies, through subsidies, and also together with the banks.

**How do members of the minority relate to farming? Is rural a point of divide if we think about nationalism?**

@anon

@anon

> The problem in Serbia is that young people are not interested in farming. The University and Dpt. of Agriculture has less and less students every year.

@anon

**For someone considering a career in farming who is a minority, how are they welcomed in such rural communities ex: in Poland or Serbia? Is it different from in the cities?**

@anon
> 
> We speak digital and most farmers in Serbia think analogue. Footwork, footwork, footwork and empathy. At least in my country, that’s the only way. We’re establishing informal networks, too - between the end users and farmers

@anon

**'Human potential is a huge problem'. What can citizens do themselves?**

Jasen: Human potential is a huge problem, right now migration reached such a bad point in many Croatian regions that it is hard to start a rural business...no workers are even available.

@anon95046639: My great uncle is a farmer in Germany, so were my grandparents. My great uncle had to transfer the farm to his 20 year old son because they needed the support that was given in subsidies to young farmers. Family structures can get important and complicated via this. Does not necessarily fit with modern family structures and live plans, people have to make decisions early to keep their family farms alive. On a neighbouring farm the daughter who works on the farm has split from her husband, but he is part of the farm and can not be paid out, so they need to keep working together. Anachronistic structures develop this way (this is in rural Germany).

Jasen: We fought 2 years to have roads built, electricity and water connected to 3 remote villages near mine in Croatia...

> the problem is ""there are no people, so how to justify the investment"". How do we bring people without the infrastructure?

Dragan: In Serbia, not much of public incentives for young people to come back. On the other hand, some *are* returning, but because of something else. Because of environmental protests in the area. Maria: Maybe a problem for the coming back and using support for young people is also that investments do not necessarily grow and be paid out again afterwards, so decisions need to be final. While a flat or business in a urban area can easier be sold of and refinanced again. Their idea of committing early to a long-term life plan is hard for young people today.


**There is a relationship between citizen engagement, citizen empowerment on different levels which expands the space for what can be done to make rural living more viable and attractive**

Nadia: Informal decentralised approaches towards these communities is crucial. Frank: the empowerment, engagement and reconstruction of a relations. Jasen: Yes, the human potential is everything and can take care of most issues locally. I believe a big part of return to rural areas would be change in understanding that not everyone in rural areas needs to be a farmer...we can transform the countryside really. Dragan: Decentralisation as a strategy for tackling dysfunctional political systems/ corruption. In Serbia it worked. Mobilise people within 30 minutes. Nadia: This could be interesting thing to look at also, communication infrastructure that is resilient and autonomous.

### Ongoing conversations you can join before the session on 23 November:

* https://edgeryders.eu/t/sustainable-development-focus-on-rural-areas-and-food-localisation/14736

* https://edgeryders.eu/t/documentation-what-we-are-learning-about-local-food-and-what-makes-rural-farming-so-difficult/14704/6

### How is the event financed?

This event is part of the POPREBEL initiative, funded by the European Commission under grant agreement number 822682 from 2019-2021. This conversation is hosted by Edgeryders, in partnership with University College London (United Kingdom), University Karlova (the Czech Republic), University Jagiellonski (Poland), University of Belgrade (Serbia). Learn more about the project [here](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/308).

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2,86445,2020-11-09T09:23:44.269Z,14769,0,12,11,0,0,0,2.4,86444,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Ping @anon1836820155 @anon

This is one of the followup events.
The other one is https://edgeryders.eu/t/an-event-to-learn-how-you-can-partner-with-us-in-applying-for-european-green-deal-funding-for-your-project-or-organisation/14690

Can you confirm it is happening? I need to know to be able to invite people to both of them!"
3,86447,2020-11-09T09:31:01.726Z,14769,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,86445,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,what is to be done for the followup event? The health event is on November 17 and I put all my effort there at the moment.
4,86448,2020-11-09T09:50:07.136Z,14769,0,12,11,0,0,0,2.4,86447,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"Perfect, you can focus on the Health one, I got this. It will be smaller than our previous one, but I think it's very important to have some continuity."
5,86454,2020-11-09T10:15:25.003Z,14769,0,12,11,0,0,0,2.4,86444,anon781457888,anon2446385507,@anon2963888871 hi could you work with @anon2446385507 to produce a much shorter version of this info as an invitation email and some headlines for Social Media? thanks
6,86455,2020-11-09T10:34:22.548Z,14769,0,12,11,0,0,0,17.4,86454,anon2446385507,anon781457888,"Thanks @anon2963888871! If you could prioritise this today or tomorrow at the latest it would be great! 
Feel free to share with me the working document - we will need it as a .pdf anyway to include in email communications,"
8,86460,2020-11-09T12:20:34.319Z,14769,1,32,31,1,0,0,31.4,86444,anon891735967,anon2446385507,Super-interested
9,86461,2020-11-09T12:34:32.673Z,14769,1,31,30,1,0,0,46.2,86444,anon2817779543,anon2446385507,"I live in rural Vlaams-Brabant where there is a whole lot of commercial farming of apples pears maize sugar beet etc. Sadly, only a small amount of organic agriculture, and lots of annoying pesticides and large modern farming vehicles. There is some new building going on, but also many derelict buildings around. Though I might not be active in making it happen, I would love to see rural regeneration around here."
10,86463,2020-11-09T13:11:49.632Z,14769,1,29,28,1,0,0,15.8,86460,anon2446385507,anon891735967,"Cool, signed you up! What are you up to these days @anon891735967?"
11,86464,2020-11-09T13:17:01.227Z,14769,0,32,31,1,0,0,11.4,86461,anon2446385507,anon2817779543,"@anon

With my other company Beanlife we are working with Flemish soybeans produced by local farmers and are seeing a systematic effort to support organic farming, but we don't yet know about how sustainable this particular crop is for the lands, and the LCA of locally produced legumes. They are also trying to produce chickpeas and quinoa, and again, same risks.

Are you growing things yourself @anon2817779543? or do you own your land..? and how come you moved from the UK? I forgot the most important question!"
12,86465,2020-11-09T13:39:37.555Z,14769,1,31,30,1,0,0,76.2,86463,anon891735967,anon2446385507,"Hey again anon2649858692mi

Today I'm inducting staff for the mental health cafe project you may remember from ideation stage. See:

https://www.mentalhealthireland.ie/sharing-the-vision-translating-policy-into-practice-webinar/#livestream

At about 40 mins in, visual prototype. 

More relevant to this thread, been working on establishing Community Land Trusts in Ireland - currently looking at getting baseline stats for a Midlands site, on an ecological regeneration slant?

Pretty influenced by Kulturland Coop and Stiftung Trias, got some support through SHICC, currently moving into test site stage with it all."
13,86501,2020-11-10T08:43:45.530Z,14769,0,10,9,0,0,0,2.0,86455,anon2963888871,anon2446385507,Hi will try get to it later today anon2649858692mi
14,86522,2020-11-10T12:12:08.809Z,14769,0,10,9,0,0,0,2.0,86501,anon2963888871,anon2963888871,"@anon2446385507 what address should I share this with? 

Laura"
16,86579,2020-11-11T08:15:39.383Z,14769,0,24,23,1,1,0,9.8,86465,anon2446385507,anon891735967,"[quote=""anon891735967, post:12, topic:14769""]
been working on establishing Community Land Trusts in Ireland
[/quote]

Very curious about this. Would you be willing to share a little about your experience before (here) or during the event (live), for about 10 minutes?
I think having good case studies will go a long way to help us underdstand what models are available.

Mainly, the questions would be:
* Who is participating and how are local authorities involved?
* Are there urban dwellers involved, and if so, what is the value added for them?
* Is food being produced: by who and for whom?
* How someone from another country can set up similar Trusts, where land regulations could be different? What are the major roadblocks to figure out before starting?

Or anything else you found crucial,"
17,86580,2020-11-11T08:16:32.305Z,14769,0,24,23,1,0,0,9.8,86536,anon2446385507,,"Perfect!
Will send a reminder next week, but before that: Vlad and everyone - please block the date in your calendar!

This session will be from 18:00 to 19:30 maximum, so a little shorter than the last time :-)"
18,86642,2020-11-11T17:19:25.669Z,14769,0,25,24,1,0,0,25.0,86444,anon122942479,anon2446385507,I'm happy to join the conversation.
19,86705,2020-11-11T21:06:34.053Z,14769,1,27,26,11,0,0,110.4,86444,anon1796658927,anon2446385507,"Hi there, last sunday i was visiting a social garden here in Parma, in the northern part of Italy, where members should garden a spot of it and keep it open to the public at least once per season for some activities, mainly cultural. At the same time i'm participating in  a A Study Group for Restoring Planetary Health and Avoiding Human Extinction called ""Earth Regenerators"" (https://earth-regenerators.mn.co/), whose goal is to advocate for bioregions. I think that taking action in cities and towns with youngsters especially, might create a fruitful ground to inspire gardeners, but also farmers and self standing communities in rural areas. In Italy there are many little ghost towns (borghi), some even medieval on the mountains, or abandoned ruined farms in the country side. Financial aids and public support -as far as i know- are not so well developed, although a transition from high intensive coltures to saustainable and bio agricolture are growing year by year. 
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For instance, a group of citizens are taking care of another garden in a far side of Parma called Picasso Food Forest, inspired to urban forests and part of a project called Fruttorti (http://www.fruttortiparma.it/). The idea is to develop projects by a community of volunteers and experts to rebalance and connect people to nature. Also students, migrants and researchers that come from other sides of Italy and Europe visit often the project and join temporarily the community. See you on the 23rd!"
20,86716,2020-11-12T06:21:57.801Z,14769,1,27,26,2,0,0,65.4,86705,anon2446385507,anon1796658927,"Thank you for sharing this @anon1796658927! And good to hear from you, it's been a while,

What you describe I believe happens a lot here and there: for example, I myself when I was part of a local community supported agriculture group with urbanites getting their veggie baskets weekly had to work closely with the farmers to jump in when their crops were affected by weather events i.e. we did a mobilising action to go 'save the tomatoes' because the farmers were lacking labour. The issue I see is that these (my and your examples too) fall more in the category civil society: it's based on organisations doing community mobilisations, intermediating between citizens and farmers, and this rests on subsidies, public or private - even though there was the lucrative advantage for the farmers whose income depended on this group of consumers.

But still, this goes to tell that the civil society and public funding play a key role.

Where do you see opportunities for more economical benefits in your examples, if you think about entire rural communities being able to make a living out of their valuable work, caring for the environment and so on?"
21,86937,2020-11-14T15:36:54.888Z,14769,1,21,20,3,0,0,39.2,86716,anon1796658927,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon2446385507,
 I think new rural economy based on sustainability, resiliency, [SLOC](https://designobserver.com/feature/small-local-open-and-connected-resilient-systems-and-sustainable-qualities/37670) dynamics, and so on, be part of new ways to conceive values, not only standarides by money and what you might buy by it, but by so called ""[ecological transition](https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/michel-bauwens-on-p2p-the-commons-and-the-imagination/2018/07/12)"" also good information, good quality of life, commons and ""farming with nature"". Is just my opinion, but there is a missing link between urban and rural, as there is between public and private when it comes to agricolture. Going back to farming, or better going forward to farming in certain informed ways (a steampunk narrative perhaps) could foster the roles of farmers at the global level and connect solutions for pollution, climate change, global market, to small and local quality. Cities and citizens as consumers should boost such process perhaps."
22,87076,2020-11-17T08:18:01.206Z,14769,0,19,18,1,1,0,8.8,86937,anon2446385507,anon1796658927,"[quote=""anon1796658927, post:21, topic:14769""]
connect solutions for pollution, climate change, global market, to small and local quality.
[/quote]

This is really the point that perhaps we should take on board during our event - the interconnections between our planet health and the food chain, and how the rural livelihoods could mediate that!

@anon"
23,87377,2020-11-21T18:39:09.032Z,14769,1,15,14,2,0,0,33.0,86444,anon2236450181,anon2446385507,"I am interested in participating. 
Now I live in Warsaw in Poland but in future I think about moving to a rural area and become a farmer. Most likely I will do it with other people."
24,87378,2020-11-22T05:51:48.722Z,14769,0,15,14,1,0,0,38.0,86444,anon1466844745,anon2446385507,"I tried a couple of times to initiate something like this, and didn't work. I'll try again. Please count me in."
25,87379,2020-11-22T08:10:47.767Z,14769,1,15,14,1,0,0,28.0,87377,anon2446385507,anon2236450181,"Welcome on board @anon2236450181, happy to have you in our community!

Can I ask you: what motivates you to start such a project? Is this something you think is becoming more attractive for people who live in cities in Poland?

To you and @anon1466844745: w e will send the link to the Zoom event Monday morning!"
26,87393,2020-11-22T12:36:33.082Z,14769,0,15,14,1,0,0,38.0,87379,anon2236450181,anon2446385507,"Ecological farming in Poland is made on a really small scale. I feel that there is a need to give people chance to have access to good quality food in a reasonable prices. Also alternatives to big supermarkets are needed like cooperatives, direct cooperations between farmers and customers. 
Regarding living in the village it depends more on personal needs, awareness ect.
For me personally for my mental and physical health I need a quite place and being close to nature. I would like to live in a community where social relations are strong, focused on cooperation and mutual support. And being
surrounded by other people who have sensitivity to other people or creatures or the effect of  their actions on the environment.
By my project I would like to show people that another structures than those offered by capitalist world and big organizations are possible."
27,87397,2020-11-22T16:15:44.477Z,14769,0,14,13,1,1,0,37.8,86444,anon2817779543,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:1, topic:14769""]
When the land is depleted, they go off to the next one.
[/quote]

I heard an interesting presentation a year or so ago about valuing land and the soil. Turns out that even if you do conventional economics properly, industrial farming looks like asset destruction. Laws definitely needed here!"
28,87398,2020-11-22T16:40:22.847Z,14769,0,13,12,2,0,0,27.6,86444,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,count me in
29,87425,2020-11-23T12:09:21.244Z,14769,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,86444,anon3877365548,anon2446385507,"Hello @anon2446385507 
based in rural Polish countryside I am a researcher in a field of management studies (main topics: alternative management, critical management, permaculture management, eco-villages). Having small permaculture garden, I am part of local food cooperative. Hope to hear you soon!"
30,87426,2020-11-23T12:17:47.840Z,14769,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,87425,anon2446385507,anon3877365548,"Hi @anon3877365548, very nice to e-meet you!
I am now emailing you the link to tonight's session, let me know if you get it and see you in a few hours!

The obvious question to ask you, reading your introduction, is: how is your life in the countryside and how do you combine your research work with gardening and other more 'rural' activities? Does this work for you, and do you still go to the city a lot to meet other people?

 Thanks for telling us more!"
31,87427,2020-11-23T12:25:57.144Z,14769,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,87426,anon3877365548,anon2446385507,"Thanks for asking and zoom invitation: received! 
Working in the garden is ideally involved in research work as a moment of self-reflection and disconnection from online work, as I conduct my interviews and study mainly online. I rarely visit the city for the most urgent matters. Classes are fully online. My closest friends do not live in cities, but are rather scattered around rural areas, so we usually see each other in small groups at home."
32,87429,2020-11-23T12:54:29.336Z,14769,1,14,13,1,0,0,57.8,86444,anon2890947421,anon2446385507,"Hello everybody :) 

It is nice to meet you. I cannot wait our today discussion and I would like to say sorry for late presentation. I am mostly interested in the first topic ""Rural areas are not attractive, not vibrant. How could we have more farmers or do more farming?"". 

You can find here my page https://foodlaw.business.site/ where I describe my scientific and professional interests. I have been committed to European food sovereignty for two years but interested in the subject of food for many years. I was inspired by living in Italy. I have also attended interesting training courses in France, Spain, and Austria, which has drawn me so much in that I have spent my entire life supporting peasants and producing good food. Recently, I have been very interested in the issues of social and solidarity economy, especially local activities and relationship economics. I am involved in a scientific approach to cooperatives and seed law.  

Greetings,
Karo"
33,87431,2020-11-23T12:57:54.472Z,14769,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,87429,anon2446385507,anon2890947421,"Hello @anon2890947421, welcome on board and lovely to see your enthusiasm !

Not sure if you are the same anon2048560043 as the one I have been emailing with (from Poland?), so let me know if you have received the link to the event? If not, I will email it to you asap."
34,87458,2020-11-23T19:28:26.007Z,14769,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,86444,anon2817779543,anon2446385507,I'm so sorry I couldn't come in the end. hope it went well and looking forward to another occasion.
35,87461,2020-11-23T20:18:47.498Z,14769,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,87458,anon1659154220,anon2817779543,It went very well Simon.  I think the group got on well enough that everyone wants to keep talking - hopefully that materializes here on the platform.
36,87470,2020-11-24T06:28:03.044Z,14769,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,86444,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Thanks to everyone who joined or couldn't in the end, but are participating 

On my to dos:
 - write the summary of the conversation (next Monday)
- suppport Christiana to share her project on the platform
- connect you all further: for example, remember the platform Jasen was talking about? Some more information about it in his post here: https://edgeryders.eu/t/sustainable-development-focus-on-rural-areas-and-food-localisation/14736

@anon"
37,87477,2020-11-24T08:03:08.257Z,14769,2,9,8,1,1,0,46.8,87470,anon1466844745,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:36, topic:14769""]
remember the platform Jasen was talking about
[/quote]

@anon3346229079, [L'Alveare](https://alvearechedicesi.it/it-IT/assemblies/12779/collections/253387/products/category/highlighted ""The listing of their products"") (it means The Hive) sounds similar to the one you were talking about. It's a web platform plus a series of physical pop-up locations (maybe some of them are fixed?). There are a few of them in Tuscany, I'm looking forward to visit/try it this Christmas.

It is basically, as I understand it, a digital marketplace where local producers can promote their products, and there is a weekly physical market in various location where you go and pick up your shopping (or you can even ask for home delivery).

Still based on standard market economy, but it promises to be a much better alternative to large distribution nonetheless.

...having said that, in Tuscany in particular and as far as I know, even the large distribution is quite sensitive to local, sustainable, and healthy options.

All in all, what I am getting at is that certain places are quite far ahead in the mainstream acceptance of certain choices, and now that there are even marketplaces for direct producer-to-consumer is encouraging to me.

Perhaps there are geographic and historic reasons for that, but let's leave that thought for another time...

---

On the other hand, I also noticed we talked *a lot* of entrepreneurial solutions to revitalise the rural communities, and I wonder if imagining something structured more like the [Catalan Integral Cooperative](https://edgeryders.eu/t/catalan-integral-cooperative-summary-discussion-2/14804) would be even possible, especially in regions where so much is already existing that fits within the comfort levels of *conscious consumers*.

Or taking this even further, **I wonder what a healthy combination of virtuous marketplaces and alternative economics could look like, and what it would take to sparkle such initiatives**..."
38,87480,2020-11-24T08:48:58.651Z,14769,0,8,7,1,1,0,6.6,87477,anon2446385507,anon1466844745,"[quote=""anon1466844745, post:37, topic:14769""]
I wonder what a healthy combination of virtuous marketplaces and alternative economics could look like, and what it would take to sparkle such initiatives
[/quote]

The closest I've read about this is @anon2661411812's idea of [self-sovereign units](https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651/4), but I'm not sure what it would take to sparkle this other than of course a committed group of people with skills to produce, and some sort of community organisers that can build it into a platform.  @anon3877365548 and @anon2236450181: do you have thoughts on this?"
39,87772,2020-11-29T07:05:47.412Z,14769,1,9,8,1,1,0,41.8,87477,anon3346229079,anon1466844745,"Thanks for the link anon1466844745.

[quote=""anon1466844745, post:37, topic:14769""]
It is basically, as I understand it, a digital marketplace where local producers can promote their products, and there is a weekly physical market in various location where you go and pick up your shopping (or you can even ask for home delivery).
[/quote]

Yeah, it's a straightforward online marketplace it seems. Well done and super responsive. The platform I was working on was not focused only on that, local marketplace was just a part of it. Each producer had a profile on  which he could place and job offers, seasonal or permanent. Tell his story, have a promo video etc. It also gave a direct way of contacting producers who want such communication. Connection with google maps, showing the address of the producers. Recommended tours like cheese tour/wine tour or similar. Translated in 4 languages to start with.

The whole purpose was to bring closer the rural communities to urban population with a special focus on making it very easy for tourists or visitors from other parts of Croatia to get anything they need directly from the locals - eliminating the middle man. Also it would offer to tourists a great platform to discover all aspects of local life, not only products...cultural events, hidden gems etc. [Inspirock](https://www.inspirock.com/) does something similar in spirit. They plan personalised vacation in detail. I wasn't aiming for that, but the idea in both cases was ""Have a platform which feels like you are getting info/advice from a local""."
40,87890,2020-11-30T20:48:41.435Z,14769,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,87772,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,"These are the kinds of experiences my wife and I look for when we travel, which we have done in Tuscany and Croatia.  Platforms such as you describe would make the research as to where and when to go someplace, easier."
41,87898,2020-12-01T05:42:14.266Z,14769,0,9,8,1,0,0,51.8,87890,anon3346229079,anon1659154220,"Yes, my initial idea was something different. Then one summer I had 4-5 friends going to Croatia from Belgium and all of them told me ""hey, we want to go to X area, can you give me some tips about best local restaurants, special places to visit, is there a little traditional festival or similar?"" That made me start thinking in the direction of giving people that experience on a bigger scale. I pivoted, keeping just essential things from my initial idea (initial idea was focused on  B2B)."
1,87840,2020-11-30T14:09:44.361Z,15000,0,19,18,37,0,0,278.8,87840,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"*Hello! Here is a summary of an inspiring conversation with 18 people during the event: [How to bring back human potential to rural areas?](https://edgeryders.eu/t/event-how-to-bring-back-human-potential-to-rural-areas-you-need-to-offer-them-more-than-just-a-plot-of-land/14769/) . No matter if you participated or not, tell us: how do you think the questions below can be answered? Let's figure it out together.*
 
@anon

Marcello: Professor at Univ of Cassino, teacher of entrepreneurship and rural development. Focuses on localised rural ecosystem and entrepreneurial attitude - how to make the rural viable. How to make viable rural areas means to take into account the different rural areas, we cannot speak about just one type of area, but we can also think of rural peri urban and rural remote.

Christiana: In Southern Greece nearby Sparta. *I want to prototype a village that gathers data about ESG (to help ESG managers) to revitalise the village and attract people in entrepreneurship with bioeconomy - this is what Meraki people is all about. [Video intro.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvfHdgtcnqI Το όραμα)*

@anon2236450181 (Adria) member in [food cooperative in Warsaw](https://www.dobrze.waw.pl/english/). Started because she wanted to have access to quality food. Has plans to move to a rural area, with other people, become farmers and show people that there are alternatives to living in cities and it is possible to earn money as a farmer. ‘The problem in Poland is that we don't have good education when it comes to agriculture, so people who want to be small farmers don't have good knowledge. In university what is taught is only for big scale agriculture.’

@anon4070699437: Phd student and since 5 years grew interest in herbology and the production of herbal plants. Based in Brussels. There is a lot going on in urban agriculture, but feels that having this double personality as a service/ knowledge worker and a second life of having your hands in the ground is not very easy to do. ‘At some point I feel I should choose between the two careers’, but it is hard to see how groups of people are forming and having a conscience.

@anon3877365548: in Poland, in a rural area and community called Kooperatywa Izerska. In this area there is a lot of new immigration from the cities, because the land for the past years was quite cheap to buy. There was this fashion to have an old style house in the rural areas. It goes with food sovereignty movement and trying to keep the quality of food in this area, keeping the seeds, and setting up a food bank.

@anon

@anon891735967: manages a coop with people with mental health difficulties - service design for Irish Health services. The community has tried to develop an ecologically regenerative Community Land Trust. We have agreement for 2 sites - in the middle of Ireland for an ecological community and another urban site. We are doing a baseline study for biodiversity, carbon, water drainage etc for the 30 acre site.

@anon1466844745: grew up in Tuscany, in the countryside. 'I knew nothing else than people doing their own farming, going hunting. The pullback to that kind of life is a lifestyle choice, the real focal point for me is the need for a tight community around your family. I'm trying to create this communal experiences in Armenia.'

Robert: President of Polish Climate Forum. 'We did absolutely everything necessary to stop climate change. We promote permaculture gardens and try to build a clusterised society of people who grow/buy their own food relatively cheaply and easily'

@anon1796658927: sociologist and researcher at Uni of Parma. Moved from the capital because he felt that moving to a smaller city was the way to be closer to nature. 'It's hard to explain to people that there is a connection between food and where it is produced. We need new words, new idioms to be spoken to get people to get new categories to face this. With a small movement here, we are trying to feed ourselves in the context of urban culture. It's hard to change the way people think. People think 'when I buy organic it costs more than in the supermarket''

@anon2890947421: Living in Poland, PhD in Krakow, writing a low key study on food sovereignty! Before, she was working in International law, and now in food law. Supporting international producers (from Sicily) to import them to Poland. I'm interested in finding solutions for organic farmers.

### 1. When you talk to economists, a most difficult thing is that the experiences of ecovillages is that the core business is not food production, but maybe that and other things, like research, or community cooperatives, or charities. Is it true that we can produce food, but not make it our whole business?

@anon1659154220: If you have to sell directly everything you are producing, then you have a serious challenge. Some of it can be simply teaching people to do things.
Jasen: I wouldn’t personally rely only on agriculture, climate changes and there is instability. I believe in flexibility. But I know many people around the world who are only doing farming, but they are also innovative, they use some automation, or produce high margin goods etc.

@anon122942479: In the Netherlands, we try to reconnect agriculture with new rural areas and populations - you have a city with the immediate rural area next to it. We see that the city completely turns its back to rural areas, which creates a divide. You indeed have to look further than the just agriculture business, you have to revitalise the whole community, reconstruct relationships in those communities, and then you can have a viable, more local economic system. Are there crossovers in business models and empowering a community to work together i.e. agricultors and people who work in cities, but live rural?

### 2. How viable is rural life and especially re-urbanisation? And what kind of effects can it bring?

Marcello: Rural entrepreneurship and community initiatives are important also for countries in development, not only in the West.

Frank Dieters: The rural areas are so much more than just a place where our food comes from. It is the rural areas that are essential for our climate adaptation, our health (recreational), watersystems, biosystems, etc. There are those challenges that tie the different worlds together.

### 3. Do you think that the rural policy plays a role in that? How to become aware that a policy provision is available? Are we sure that these policies are targeting people who really need it?

Thom: My principal interests in re-rurbanization are a: epidemiological risk and b: personal experience of improved mental health from living rurally. anon2649858692mi: this is so underrated and invisible when you're in the rabbit wheel, or what it's called

John Coate: I moved from urban to rural, but made sure there was broadband to the house. Without it, it won’t work.

Thom Stewart: I'm curious around quantification of those benefits. Metrics on the co-benefits of health/carbon/biodiversity of regenerative agricultural approaches, along with more conventional community economic indicators

Angelo: the rural policy is intended to be part of a farming policy. Farmers think that it is for them, but it should be multifunctional, because it’s a territorial approach. You are operating on space, maps, not sectors. So the farming policy is not rural enough, in my view.

Frank Dieters: Agree, but there are possibilities. You have the Interreg projects, and the [Leader projects](http://www.leaderzuidlimburg.nl/projecten).

Jasen: I worked for years in rural development, mostly in LEADER and regional development related funds. I did help a few organisations with a social cohesion fund as well. In Croatia we are fully focused on revitalising rural areas by giving all info to rural dwellers and by functioning specifically in rural areas only. Nobody focuses on attracting urban dwellers TO rural areas with programs in cities or workshops to actually show the potential to the urban dwellers as well. The issue there is, after a certain point, the emigration from a community cannot be reversed because the critical mass of human potential is no longer there.

Dragan M. Jonić: I see the question about the viability of rural life only now. IMO, it includes telling people blandly they’re fried if they go on living in big cities where you can cut the air in cubes.

### 4. How to go about building a rural community and what attracts people to it?

Coming up! A separate conversation with @anon3877365548
###  5. Broadband as a human right, like water. Are there programs and workshops in cities to attract people? We talked about the need for broadband, but also cultural activities and infrastructure.

Irene: I would have liked to contribute more on ideas of hybridity of urban-rural and how seasonal work and public urban policy on food sovereignty could try and reconcile the two, I will follow up on the platform! cheers everyone and thanks for the session!

Jasen : alright, i would gladly push for that in Croatia if there are some good practices

anon2649858692mi: But how is this different than digitized ecovillages? It's just on a larger scale?

@anon3877365548: I would also hear about this migrating to rural workshops more :D We have reasonable positive remains from comunist times: allotment gardens in larger cities, there are workshops on how to manage such a garden ecologically, probably maybe indirectly convincing people that they would like more of their land.

Thom Stewart : Notable that CloughJordan is within a preexisting village - infrastructure in place - as opposed to truly rural

anon2649858692mi : I'm not sure it's about money - for many my generation : it's emancipation values, what we associate with culture and intellect. That's a major roadblock to deciding to move out of the city.

@anon

@anon1659154220: also maybe fewer manufacturing jobs in the city now. certainly true for the USA.

Jasen : I expect a lot of bankruptcies in Croatia as of next year and people moving back to rural as well, due to lower living cost/higher self reliance

Ale: I would say what Robert is saying- it is also a bit more dispersed sprawling city - making more chaos in the suburban space without managing land in a sustainable way."
1,85902,2020-10-28T12:03:02.551Z,14694,0,8,7,2,0,0,26.6,85902,anon1836820155,anon1836820155,"Data wydarzenia: 18:00 - 20:00, 24 listopada 2020 r.
Lokalizacja: Zoom (link zostanie wysłany za 1 dzień przed wydarzeniem)
Organizatorzy: EdgeRyders
Rejestracja: https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14691
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EdgeRyders zaprasza do debaty o zanon1235093333nie perspektyw na przyszłość po koronawirusie, o wsparciu i współpracy, wykraczających poza status quo. Wpływ Pandemii COVID-19 na gospodarkę i podejmowane przez rząd działania, oraz ograniczenia wolności obywatelskej i prywatnej są nadzwyczajne. Nikt nie oczekiwał na pandemie COVID-19. Ona radykalnie zmieniła nasze życie, kontakty społeczne, edukację oraz sposób, w jaki pracujemy i prowadzimy firmy. Biura, szkoły, oraz gabinety lekarskie pracują w trybie zdalnym.

Teraz doświadczamy wierzchołek zachorowań na COVID-19 w Polsce. Jest ciężko prognozować nastroje społeczne czy planować działalności biznesową. W tym trudnym czasie wydaje się, że wszystko się wali. Wiele osób przechodzi przez to samo, mając uczucia strachu, smutku lub zagubienia. Niewiele jest w naszych rękach, ale pozostać silnymi – to jest jedyne, co możemy zrobić. Ponieważ zasady ciągle się zmieniają. Różni eksperci mają różne opinii do tego, jakie są najbardziej prawdopodobne scenariusze dalszego rozwoju sytuacji.

### Chcemy wesprzeć Was w odnalezieniu się w nowej rzeczywistości. 
Wiemy, że tańsza, lepsza opieka zdrowotna jest możliwa i chcemy zaprezentować swoja wizją w formie webinaru. Spójrzmy w trakcie spotkania na obecną sytuację i na głębsze, bardziej długoterminowe kwestie. Czy potrzebna jest społeczna solidarność z biednymi i wykluczonymi? Jeśli tak, to dlaczego? Obserwując skutki pandemii, uczymy się od siebie i dzięki sobie nawzajem. I z całej sprawy wyciągnijmy poważną lekcję, stosując racjonalne myślenie.

Edgeryders – to jest społeczność internetowa, która gromadzi aktywistów, naukowców, hackerów i artystów z całego świata. Korzystamy z kolektywnej inteligencji, wierząc, że co dwie (wiele) głowy, to nie jedna - i że wyanon1235093333na opinii i dyskusja w internecie są niezwykłym źródłem wiedzy i kolektywnej mądrości. Zebrane na platformie Edgeryders open source dane są anonimowe. Możesz ich zobaczyć, redagować lub usunąć za pomocą konta użytkownika, które wyślemy Ci w wiadomości z potwierdzeniem rejestracji. Nie zbieramy danych osobowych. Serdecznie zapraszamy do prowadzenia dyskusji podczas wydarzenia i waszych obserwacji na temat życia w Polsce na naszej platformie.

Wypełnij formularz dla rejestracji na wydarzenie: https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14691

Bądź z nami!"
3,86081,2020-11-02T09:40:17.663Z,14694,0,5,4,0,0,0,1.0,85902,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"Hei @anon1836820155: you probably need to add some information, think that this invitation is the first thing someone will read when you invite them  - like you said: someone who hasn't heard about Edgeryders, might be skeptic, and so, what information needs to be included to make it reliable & attractive?

Examples of sections missing:

*What is the main question we will try to answer together in the session:* (this helps people understand what is the objective of the session)
*------*

*About the organisers: EdgeRyders is an international community of entrepreneurs, researchers, policy makers who are affecting change. Our goal is to connect them, and you, with opportunities that support your work. Join us to learn and make new partnerships! *

*Who is this event for? Food producers, food entrepreneurs, organisations working to coordinate food supply and distribution, educational bodies, researchers, policy makers, and concerned citizens.*

*Meet the other participants: what's unique about our community is that we meet each other before the event  - read the comments below and connect with people here online. This will make our exchanges during the session more concrete and rich in learning!*"
4,86095,2020-11-02T11:40:47.801Z,14694,0,5,4,0,0,0,1.0,86081,anon1836820155,anon2446385507,will do
5,86364,2020-11-06T12:40:44.147Z,14694,1,8,7,1,0,0,56.6,85902,anon2503675534,anon1836820155,"**Twoje imię:** <br /> Ania <br /><br /> **Czy robisz w tej chwili coś, o czym chcesz nam przekazać? Jeśli tak, czy możesz nam powiedzieć coś o swojej pracy?** <br /> I am concerned about the future of our planet. Or, in fact I should say about the future of living beings here, because planet will make it and will survive. I am concerned that people eat so much meat which is devastating for the enviroment, wild species and a real horror for 70 billions animals killed each year. This is just behaviour and we can change behaviour. <br /><br /> **Krótkie przedstawienie dla innych uczestników.** <br /> badania naukowe <br /><br /> **Teraz pomyśl o swoje zdrowie i komfort w tej chwili. Czy jest jakiś problem praktyczny, z którym się borykasz w pracy / projektach lub życiu osobistym?** <br /> No. The biggest problem for me is carnism - dominating ideology in our times. <br /><br /> **Czy poanon1547754019 Twój rząd w tym lub nie poanon1547754019?** <br /> I am independent from government. <br /><br /> **Czy interesuje Cię współorganizacją wydarzenia z EdgeRyders w najbliższych miesiącach? Czy znasz osoby czy organizacji, aby zaangażować do udziału inne osoby w pobliżu?** <br /> Maybe. I would have to get to know you. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
6,86433,2020-11-09T07:12:22.555Z,14694,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,86364,anon2446385507,anon2503675534,"Hi @anon2503675534, nice to meet you, 
I am one of the edgeryders co-founders, based in Brussels,

Before the event, can you tell us if you are involved in a project or community effort, and what is that?
Or are you just an activist citizen, a work equally important? How is covid19 affecting your work?

The reason we ask is so that we are better able to introduce you to other people here in Edgeryders  - we are over 6000 members from all over the world. Before any event, we try to make connections so that everyone can improve on their work with the feedback and advice from others! For example in [this event](https://edgeryders.eu/t/registrations-poprebel-events-2020/14326/11) that we hosted about local food- many people stated they think their government is not helping at all, and it favors big agri businesses and not sustainable farming. This helps us make a collective statement about the problems and how they manifest themselves in relation to other important actors in society.."
7,86458,2020-11-09T11:22:00.042Z,14694,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,85902,anon591767684,anon1836820155,"**Twoje imię:** <br /> Olga Pajewska <br /><br /> **Czy robisz w tej chwili coś, o czym chcesz nam przekazać? Jeśli tak, czy możesz nam powiedzieć coś o swojej pracy?** <br /> Kieruję pracami Fundacji Młodorośli wpisanej do Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego pod numerem 0000823851, posiadającej Numer Identyfikacji Podatkowej 5842790459 oraz REGON 385350434. Fundacja została wpisana do Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego 17 stycznia 2020 roku, a jej przeważającym przedmiotem działalności jest Pozostała pomoc społeczna bez zakwaterowania, gdzie indziej niesklasyfikowana. Jesteśmy niezależną i anon3760934795ityczną organizacją, która zaczęła działalność na początku 2020 roku. Fundacja Młodorośli swoją nazwę zawdzięcza ludziom, których najczęściej obejmuje swoją opieką – młodym wchodzącym w dorosłość. Fundatorem jest Olga Pajewska, aktywistka i działaczka społeczna, pedagog i socjoterapeuta, która od początku kieruje pracami Fundacji. Naszą misją jest upowszechnianie pedagogiki serca oraz znaczenia relacji w pracy wychowawczej. Nasze cele to: 1/ Szeroko rozuanon1235093333na pomoc społeczna, w szczególności poprzez uczestnictwo w systemie wspierania rodziny i pieczy instytucjonalnej; 2/ Ochrona dzieci i dorosłych przed przemocą fizyczną, psychiczną, seksualną, ekonomiczną oraz przez zaniedbanie; 3/ Pomoc rodzinom i dzieciom w sytuacjach kryzysowych, trudnych sytuacjach życiowych oraz wspieranie rodzin mających trudności w wypełnianiu funkcji opiekuńczo – wychowawczych; 4/ Działalność na rzecz ochrony praw dziecka i człowieka, ich upowszechniania i przestrzegania; 5/ Przeciwdziałanie uzależnieniom i patologiom społecznym oraz pomoc osobom, których problemy te dotyczą; 6/Wyrównywanie szans edukacyjnych i społecznych dzieci i młodzieży a także ich rodzin; 7/ Tworzenie miejsc pracy w sektorze pomocy społecznej. Cele te realizujemy za pomocą: działalności informacyjnej, aplikowania  o fundusze i dotacje pomocowe na wsparcie celów statutowych Fundacji, organizację warsztatów dla dzieci, prowadzenie strony internetowej i kont na portalach społecznościowych oraz wspieranie rodzin i dzieci wyanon1547754019jącej szczególnej opieki i pomocy. Fundację reprezentuje Prezes Zarządu – Olga Pajewska, która od 2015 roku prowadzi działania z dziećmi w placówkach wsparcia dziennego i placówkach opiekuńczo wychowawczych a od 2018 roku pełni rolę kierownika Placówki Wsparcia Dziennego SPOT Jasnej Gwiazdy w Gdyni. 
W marcu 2020 roku Fundacja otworzyła grupę na facebooku – Widzialna Ręka Trójanon1235093333sto, której celem jest sieciowanie osób potrzebujących i gotowych tej pomocy udzielić. Aktualnie grupa liczy już ponad 23 tysiące użytkowników. 
W ramach swojej działalności Fundacja przeprowadziła zrzutkę na „Posiłki dla Bohaterów” w ramach której udało się zebrać ponad 25 tysięcy złotych i przekazać je restauratorom, którzy przygotowali posiłki dla pracowników Trójmiejskich Szpitali. 
Kolejną akcją prowadzoną przez Fundację był program „Dobronosze” który otrzymał honorowy patronat prezydentów Miast Gdyni, Gdańska i Sopotu i który obejmuje dostarczanie zakupów do osób niepełnosprawnych, objętych kwarantanną i seniorów. Program otrzymał ponad 50 tysięcy złotych dofinansowania, w tym od darczyńców prywatnych, firmy Trefl, grupy LOTOS (z przeznaczeniem na paliwo dla wolontariuszy) oraz od Gdańskiej Fundacji Rozwoju Gospodarczego. 
Fundacja Młodorośli w maju 2020 roku pozyskała 2000 maseczek oraz 70 przyłbic i przekazała je sieci Gdyńskich SPOT – 15 Placówek  Wsparcia Dziennego. Jesienią 2020 roku Fundacja przystąpiła do konkursu Akumulator Społeczny i wygrała grant na warsztaty dla dzieci i rozwój Fundacji, w ramach którego zrealizowano 3 warsztaty dla dzieci – podopiecznych placówek wsparcia dziennego oraz zakupiła niezbędny sprzęt i stworzyła stronę internetową. W październiku 2020 roku wzięliśmy udział w wydarzeniu ""Podwieczorek Społeczny - Poanon1547754019nie w najbliższym sąsiedztwie"", gdzie podzieliliśmy się doświadczeniem płynącym z prowadzenia grupy Widzialna Ręka oraz realizacji programu Dobronosze. <br /><br /> **Krótkie przedstawienie dla innych uczestników.** <br /> organizacja pozarządowa <br /><br /> **Teraz pomyśl o swoje zdrowie i komfort w tej chwili. Czy jest jakiś problem praktyczny, z którym się borykasz w pracy / projektach lub życiu osobistym?** <br /> Nie :)  <br /><br /> **Czy poanon1547754019 Twój rząd w tym lub nie poanon1547754019?** <br /> Początkowo dużym problemem  dla Fundacji przy realizacji jej celów był brak sprzętu, który udało się rozwiązać za pomocą zakupu komputera przy okazji realizacji programu Dobronosze oraz realizacji projektu z Akumulatora Społecznego. Dzięki realizacji projektu udało nam się stworzyć profesjonalną stronę internetową, zakupić niszczarkę i urządzenie wielofunkcyjne. Do dzisiaj problemem jest brak lokalu dla Fundacji oraz brak ludzi, którzy na stałe związaliby się z nią. Chcielibyśmy móc utworzyć miejsca pracy jednak ciężko jest nam znaleźć na to dotację. Mierzymy się również z brakiem stałego wynagrodzenia dla zarządu Fundacji, co negatywnie wpływa na motywację. Kolejnym problemem jest konieczność samodzielnego uczenia się (przez doświadczenie) pisania wniosków – jest to umiejętność, którą ciężko jest nabyć inaczej (niska dostępność szkoleń). Ostatni problemem jest fakt, że ogromna liczba konkursów grantowych jest dostępna jedynie dla fundacji z kilkuletnim doświadczeniem – niskie możliwości pozyskania dotacji.  <br /><br /> **Czy interesuje Cię współorganizacją wydarzenia z EdgeRyders w najbliższych miesiącach? Czy znasz osoby czy organizacji, aby zaangażować do udziału inne osoby w pobliżu?** <br /> Interesuje mnie współorganizacja wydarzenia. Może można zaangażować Bolesława Drapellę - trójmiejskiego społecznika i filantropa.  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
8,86486,2020-11-09T19:19:28.873Z,14694,1,8,7,2,0,0,26.6,85902,anon2253162239,anon1836820155,"**Twoje imię:** <br /> Konrad <br /><br /> **Czy robisz w tej chwili coś, o czym chcesz nam przekazać? Jeśli tak, czy możesz nam powiedzieć coś o swojej pracy?** <br /> Ochrona Środowiska <br /><br /> **Krótkie przedstawienie dla innych uczestników.** <br /> badania naukowe <br /><br /> **Teraz pomyśl o swoje zdrowie i komfort w tej chwili. Czy jest jakiś problem praktyczny, z którym się borykasz w pracy / projektach lub życiu osobistym?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Czy poanon1547754019 Twój rząd w tym lub nie poanon1547754019?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Czy interesuje Cię współorganizacją wydarzenia z EdgeRyders w najbliższych miesiącach? Czy znasz osoby czy organizacji, aby zaangażować do udziału inne osoby w pobliżu?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
9,86529,2020-11-10T13:27:40.434Z,14694,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,86458,anon1836820155,anon591767684,"Witaj na Edgeryders, @anon591767684 !

Edgeryders – to jest społeczność internetowa, która gromadzi aktywistów, naukowców, hackerów i artystów z całego świata. Korzystamy z kolektywnej inteligencji, wierząc, że co dwie (wiele) głowy, to nie jedna. Tak samo jak Fundacja Młodorośli zajmujemy się obserwacją zanon1235093333n i chcemy zanon1235093333n na lepsze.

Czego najbardziej chciałabym się dowiedzieć na tym wydarzeniu? Czy Fundacja Młodorośli radzi sobie dobrze w tych czasach pandemii, czy też walczysz z czymś jak wielu z organizacyj pozarządowych w Polsce? Który z naszych tematów jest dla Ciebie najbardziej interesujący?"
10,86531,2020-11-10T13:34:11.112Z,14694,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,86486,anon1836820155,anon2253162239,"Witaj na Edgeryders, @anon2253162239!

Tak samo jak Pan zajmujemy się badaniami naukowymi. W listopadzie mielismy spotkanie o [reformie systemu żywnościowego i rolnictwa](https://edgeryders.eu/t/registrations-poprebel-food-localisation-30-october-2020/14326/10). Który z naszych tematów jest dla Pana najbardziej interesujący?"
11,86571,2020-11-10T20:20:40.016Z,14694,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,85902,anon1469501794,anon1836820155,"**Twoje imię:** <br /> Anna <br /><br /> **Czy robisz w tej chwili coś, o czym chcesz nam przekazać? Jeśli tak, czy możesz nam powiedzieć coś o swojej pracy?** <br /> FB/Fundacja PETRA senior <br /><br /> **Krótkie przedstawienie dla innych uczestników.** <br /> organizacja pozarządowa <br /><br /> **Teraz pomyśl o swoje zdrowie i komfort w tej chwili. Czy jest jakiś problem praktyczny, z którym się borykasz w pracy / projektach lub życiu osobistym?** <br /> Wiele próśb o wsparcie. Ograniczenie dostępu do świadczeń na rzecz osób starszych zależnych i ich rodzin <br /><br /> **Czy poanon1547754019 Twój rząd w tym lub nie poanon1547754019?** <br /> Nie <br /><br /> **Czy interesuje Cię współorganizacją wydarzenia z EdgeRyders w najbliższych miesiącach? Czy znasz osoby czy organizacji, aby zaangażować do udziału inne osoby w pobliżu?** <br /> Tak. Interesują mnie <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
12,86732,2020-11-12T10:38:39.906Z,14694,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,86571,anon1836820155,anon1469501794,"
Witaj na Edgeryders, @anon1469501794!

Spodziewam się, ze wydarzenie będzie pomocne dla nawiązywania kontaktów i więcej osób się dowie o fundacji PETRA senior z Poznania.

Czego najbardziej chciałabym się dowiedzieć na tym wydarzeniu? Który z naszych tematów jest dla Ciebie najbardziej interesujący?"
13,87100,2020-11-17T13:26:42.362Z,14694,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,85902,anon2473306531,anon1836820155,"**Twoje imię:** <br /> Katarzyna  <br /><br /> **Czy robisz w tej chwili coś, o czym chcesz nam przekazać? Jeśli tak, czy możesz nam powiedzieć coś o swojej pracy?** <br /> Jestem w trakcie projektowania usług opiekuńczych nad osobami niesamodzielnymi.  <br /><br /> **Krótkie przedstawienie dla innych uczestników.** <br /> opieka zdrowotna <br /><br /> **Teraz pomyśl o swoje zdrowie i komfort w tej chwili. Czy jest jakiś problem praktyczny, z którym się borykasz w pracy / projektach lub życiu osobistym?** <br /> COVID spowolnił bardzo pracę, utrudnił kontakty społeczne w realu, co niewątpliwie ma znaczny wpływ na realizację planów i projektowanie usług. To co zaprojektujemy dziś, może okazać się już zbędne, lub poboczne za 2-3 lata. Może za 2-3 lata będą potrzebne jednak inne usługi opiekuńcze? Może będziemy mieli problem z opieką nad osobami po covid?  <br /><br /> **Czy poanon1547754019 Twój rząd w tym lub nie poanon1547754019?** <br /> Nie poanon1547754019, pomoc jest doraźna lub mało istotna w porównaniu do kroków, jakie są pod przykryciem covid stawiane w innych kierunkach.  <br /><br /> **Czy interesuje Cię współorganizacją wydarzenia z EdgeRyders w najbliższych miesiącach? Czy znasz osoby czy organizacji, aby zaangażować do udziału inne osoby w pobliżu?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
14,87117,2020-11-18T09:29:09.341Z,14694,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,87100,anon1836820155,anon2473306531,"Witaj na Edgeryders, @anon2473306531! 

Serdecznie zapraszam do prowadzenia dyskusji podczas webinaru.

Spotkanie, dedykowane opiece zdrowotnej i pomocy społecznej jest przedłużeniem dyskusji, która się zaczęła na platformie [Edgeryders.eu](http://edgeryders.eu/) w 2019 roku. Wiemy, że tańsza, lepsza opieka zdrowotna jest możliwa. Czego najbardziej chciałabym się dowiedzieć na tym wydarzeniu?"
15,87118,2020-11-18T10:38:32.102Z,14694,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,85902,anon2473306531,anon1836820155,"Chciałabym dowiedzieć się o możliwościach - nowych możliwościach - w opiece nad osobami niesamodzielnymi. Interesuje mnie opieka środowiskowa w domu pacjenta, jak również opieka instytucjonalna np w Zakładach Opiekuńczo - Leczniczych czy Pielęgnacyjnych, a także w hospicjach."
16,87123,2020-11-18T11:40:07.755Z,14694,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,85902,anon428446348,anon1836820155,"**Twoje imię:** <br /> Magdalena <br /><br /> **Czy robisz w tej chwili coś, o czym chcesz nam przekazać? Jeśli tak, czy możesz nam powiedzieć coś o swojej pracy?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Krótkie przedstawienie dla innych uczestników.** <br />  <br /><br /> **Teraz pomyśl o swoje zdrowie i komfort w tej chwili. Czy jest jakiś problem praktyczny, z którym się borykasz w pracy / projektach lub życiu osobistym?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Czy poanon1547754019 Twój rząd w tym lub nie poanon1547754019?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Czy interesuje Cię współorganizacją wydarzenia z EdgeRyders w najbliższych miesiącach? Czy znasz osoby czy organizacji, aby zaangażować do udziału inne osoby w pobliżu?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
17,87523,2020-11-24T15:20:53.131Z,14694,0,5,4,1,0,0,36.0,85902,anon479525129,anon1836820155,"Witam serdecznie członków społeczności EdgeRyders! Nazywam się Magdalena Góralska (anon1430716239lenagoralska.org), i jestem gościem dzisiejszego webinaru. Będę mówić o moich badaniach i przybliżę trochę temat wpływu cyfryzacji na system opieki zdrowotnej :)) Do zobaczenia!"
1,79675,2020-06-29T09:51:17.582Z,13988,0,25,24,3,0,0,50.0,79675,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"https://d1ehvogakajzfe.cloudfront.net/cmsAssets/articles/HowtoCode_hero.jpg?mtime=20181030144926

@anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3379710332

Let's use this thread to discuss any and all coding in POPREBEL from here on out. If you haven't seen it yet, I've also made a [POPREBEL Coding Wiki](https://edgeryders.eu/t/poprebel-ethnographic-coding-wiki/13975/5) for us to use and build upon. If you have specific comments on the wiki itself, feel free to comment on that thread instead. 

An update from me: right now I am done with my coding sprint and am finishing up my coding categories -- this should make it much easier to navigate my codes and apply them to your datasets. I'm in the process of using these to refine and merge my own codes before doing a final code review on each of your codes. Looking forward to seeing all of yours as well! 

As a reminder, we are going to finish this coding sprint by **July 1st.** Please finish coding by this date (including creating your categories) and take til *Friday this week* to comment on others' codebooks and especially look out for overlapping codes, so we can merge codes and have clean codebooks before I initiate the SSNA visualisation. If you need more time, please say so ASAP. 

We'll then schedule a call for late next week to discuss the visualisation and plan the writing of the update. 

Thanks and happy coding!"
2,79711,2020-06-29T15:07:41.368Z,13988,0,19,18,1,0,0,8.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Sounds good. It is 11 am (Monday) here and I am going to start coding. At 2 pm, anon1650793189ek and I have our next meeting. We will prepare as much as we can for July 1. My son and his fiancee are getting married on July 1, so I will disappear for a day, but on Thursday will return to coding and studying other's codes."
3,79718,2020-06-29T16:37:20.568Z,13988,2,17,16,1,0,0,18.4,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943 Hello there, I cannot code for some reason. And I do not see my previous work in any of the texts that I coded before. Although the system still has my codes, I can see the annotations, etc. But the texts do not show the highlighted and coded fragments. J"
4,79719,2020-06-29T16:38:43.347Z,13988,1,16,15,1,0,0,13.2,79718,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"Please tag @anon2661411812 in technical questions :)

I'm also not able to use the merge function right now -- when I try to click on the drop down to select a code to merge, it won't open up."
5,79722,2020-06-29T17:06:35.976Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,Many thanks @anon2979239943. Got it. @anon2661411812: please help!  J
6,79727,2020-06-29T17:34:07.674Z,13988,3,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,79722,anon1650793189,anon4110936133,"Same here. I don't see any of my previous codes within texts (they're in the system though) and I cannot add any codes/annotations either (I can highlight the text but no window appears, like it used to)."
7,79728,2020-06-29T17:39:14.955Z,13988,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,79727,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"@anon2867672406, any ideas? We are all having trouble."
8,79731,2020-06-29T17:52:47.266Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,79727,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"@anon1650793189, if you feel comfortable, please upload a photo of yourself so your avatar isn't blank :)"
9,79738,2020-06-30T06:14:55.124Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,79731,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,Will do!
10,79739,2020-06-30T06:16:36.318Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,79738,anon1650793189,anon1650793189,"Hmmm....am I doing something wrong?
![image|690x387](upload://o0W4hxqENsRwvE91oABZsAma74q.png)"
12,79807,2020-06-30T21:50:55.988Z,13988,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,79675,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"Dear @anon2979239943, last week I was not able to do much coding while being exhausted from sitting at the state exams committees. (Somehow I though it would be much easier, and I will be more fit for coding.) Therefore, I would like to code this whole week, mainly on Thursday and **Friday** (2nd and **3rd July**) when I have time and my daughter is absent (she will be at her grandma's place) which leaves more mental and time capacities for the work. Would it be OK to postpone the deadline a bit (two days)?"
13,79811,2020-06-30T23:29:47.366Z,13988,1,13,12,1,1,0,12.6,79739,anon2867672406,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:10, topic:13988""]
am I doing something wrong?
[/quote]

Not at all. Just log out of Edgeryders, when you log in again your account syncs to the new photo you uploaded on communities. It's a necessary evil to have single sign-on for all communities in the Edgeryders galaxy."
14,79815,2020-07-01T08:07:47.177Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,79811,anon1650793189,anon2867672406,Thank you!
15,79816,2020-07-01T08:49:20.109Z,13988,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,79815,anon2867672406,anon1650793189,.... and it works beautifully!
16,79851,2020-07-02T11:59:55.275Z,13988,1,15,14,1,0,0,13.0,79807,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"It seems everyone is running a bit behind, so let’s say that coding needs to be finished by the end of the day on the 6th. That gives us two full days to go through each other’s codebooks before we meet.

There is no purpose in us meeting if we have not reviewed each other’s codebooks, so please give an update on the 6th if this is not looking feasible for anyone and we will go from there. If this ends up being the case, let us know sooner rather than later so we can push back. 

@anon3353600255 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189"
17,79854,2020-06-22T21:39:08.966Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943 @anon3353600255 @anon2661411812 @anon2631063041 @anon1650793189 @anon3379710332 Dear All, as I wrote to Amelia earlier, anon1650793189ek and I had a really great “workshop” on Friday (June 19) to develop our method of work and code a bit. We have come up with three questions:

The mother-child code relationship. Say, we code “homosexuality” and it intersects in the coded fragment with the issue of “various approaches”. anon1650793189ek codes separately assuming that if we want to get the intersection the software will catch it and display. I code: mother: “homosexuality” and child: “homosexuality: various approaches.” What is your advice?

anon1650793189ek observed that if, say, he codes the whole entry with CODE1 and then codes a part of it with CODE2 and then wants to adde CODE3, say, to a word, he cannot do this. The system allows only two codes “on one bit of text”, it seems.

The most urgent issue: is it possible to duplicate a threat of a conversation, so we could code it on the platform separately (also inter-coder reliability) and only then to compare our codes and reconcile them? It is - we believe - a very useful exercise, at least the beginning, to compare and try to synchronize our coding “habits.”

Yours, anon4110936133"
18,79394,2020-06-23T08:51:15.374Z,13988,1,19,18,0,1,0,8.8,79675,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon4110936133, post:17, topic:13988""]
The most urgent issue: is it possible to duplicate a threat of a conversation, so we could code it on the platform separately (also inter-coder reliability) and only then to compare our codes and reconcile them? It is - we believe - a very useful exercise, at least the beginning, to compare and try to synchronize our coding “habits.”
[/quote]

If this is just an exercise, you can copy/paste the content and create a new thread of your own as a ""test"". I'd recommend @anon4110936133 being the test subject, since he assigns less codes, so it'll be easier to transpose them onto the original thread if you want to merge them. Does this work for you? 

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:17, topic:13988""]
The mother-child code relationship. Say, we code “homosexuality” and it intersects in the coded fragment with the issue of “various approaches”. anon1650793189ek codes separately assuming that if we want to get the intersection the software will catch it and display. I code: mother: “homosexuality” and child: “homosexuality: various approaches.” What is your advice?
[/quote]


Does @anon1650793189 create a hierarchy in the backend, or just co-code? If the latter, that's a good approach that would ideally be combined with yours as well. Yours works, but only if you assign parent-child codes that makes sense from an SSNA point of view. First, the top-level code will not auto-assign to the ones below it. @anon1700133569 and our team on a different project tried having this happen automatically, but it lead to a giant overproliferation of codes that rendered the SSNA meaningless. Second, ""various approaches"" is too vague on its own (to be honest, I don't think the code ""homosexuality:various approaches"" is very descriptive either, so ideally the ""lower level"" code would be a more specific thing (e.g. ""lesbian relationships""). 

The plan (as articulated in [this post](https://edgeryders.eu/t/merging-multilingual-codes/13700/36?u=anon2979239943), which you should both read carefully) with hierarchies is as follows: 

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:36, topic:13700""]
Wait to assign hierarchies / parent-child relations in the backend until we do this together as a batch after the SSNA visualisation, since our hierarchical relationships now affect each other. Do this as much as you want in your own codebook— this is encouraged (see point 2)
[/quote]
 
So, in short -- apply both top-level code and lower-level code if it applies, but be discerning. Use hierarchies in your own codebook, and we will then apply them together in the backend and use them to refine codes and apply top-level codes more widely if we need to -- it's very easy using the ""copy"" function in the backend to apply a top-level code to all instances of a lower-level code, but doing so automatically leads to too much vagueness/heavy co-occurrences on too high-level codes. If we do so more deliberately, in tandem with the SSNA creation, we get a more refined and accurate picture of the data. (as I describe this, @anon2867672406, this might be a methodological point for us to note).   

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:17, topic:13988""]
anon1650793189ek observed that if, say, he codes the whole entry with CODE1 and then codes a part of it with CODE2 and then wants to adde CODE3, say, to a word, he cannot do this. The system allows only two codes “on one bit of text”, it seems.
[/quote]

Just right click outside of the selection and you'll be able to add more codes than 2 (we've discussed this on multiple occasions in the POPREBEL team and I go over it in training, but perhaps we need a more centralised documentation to refresh memories as it's a lot of information to keep track of). 

@anon2661411812, feel free to check me on these answers :)"
19,79395,2020-06-23T08:53:51.540Z,13988,1,17,16,0,0,0,8.4,79394,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"I have a call with @anon1650793189 on Wednesday or Thursday (time pending) that if you can also join, would be useful to have you. 

@anon"
20,79433,2020-06-23T21:03:52.938Z,13988,1,18,17,1,1,0,28.6,79395,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943 I'm fine with either Wednesday or Thursday, time of your choosing. 
As to ""various approaches"" and ""homosexuality: various approaches"" we were referring to our codebooks only. Neither I or @anon4110936133 build hierarchies in the backend. 
The question as I saw it, was more about how to highlight the relationships between various themes/codes/labels so that the system (which is at least partly automated as far as I understand, I mean the generation of the network and the graph) can see not only co-occurences, but also meaningful relationships between various codes. 
This particular example pertained to one respondent noting that people exhibit various attitudes towards homosexuality,and now I'm wondering if it's worth coding at all... :slight_smile: 
But let's take a different, perhaps better example: which is better in the codebook and in the codes on the platform: the code ""discrimination"" (with ""homosexuality"" as its parent code in the codebook - a choice that, to my mind, would look better on the graph) or ""homosexuality: discrimination"", provided that they pertain to the same fragments within the same single post? In our codebooks it probably doesn't matter that much, since if we take care to somehow show the hierarchical structure it should be fine to later reflect that in the backend. Am I correct?

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:18, topic:13988""]
If this is just an exercise, you can copy/paste the content and create a new thread of your own as a “test”. I’d recommend @anon4110936133 being the test subject, since he assigns less codes, so it’ll be easier to transpose them onto the original thread if you want to merge them
[/quote]
Great news!

As per the layers of coding, that is great news again! I probably won't use it much myself, but may come in handy.

Thank you for all your help!"
21,79442,2020-06-24T09:00:54.478Z,13988,2,16,15,1,1,0,33.2,79433,anon2867672406,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:20, topic:13988""]
But let’s take a different, perhaps better example: which is better in the codebook and in the codes on the platform: the code “discrimination” (with “homosexuality” as its parent code in the codebook - a choice that, to my mind, would look better on the graph) or “homosexuality: discrimination”, provided that they pertain to the same fragments within the same single post?
[/quote]


I am no ethnographer, but would argue that neither solution makes the most of our data model. 

1 . **Beware false hierarchies**. `Discrimination` is definitely not a child of `homosexuality`. Hierarchies are meant in a proper ontological sense: `cat` is a child of `mammal`, and `France` is a child of `Europe`. 
2. **Double codes are bad practice**. `homosexuality:discrimination` destroys the information that two *separate* experiences are mentioned in the same post. In SSNA, you are supposed to enter two separate codes, `homosexuality` and `discrimination`. The connection between the two is meant to be emergent: if (and only if) many posts mention both experiences, the semantic graph will show a strong connection. Formally, connections between experiences or concepts are represented by edges, not collapsed into nodes. 

The advantage of coding thus is large. Somewhere else in the conversation you could have `discrimination` associated to something else, say `age`. The ego network of `discrimination` will then show you the various aspects of discrimination in the corpus. With double coding, you have to fall back on human memory to rebuild it. ""Wait, did I not see discrimination elsewhere?"" With large corpora and several people coding, this problem becomes more severe. SSNA's main advantage is scalability, so it is essential to code for that. Your codes are no longer a memory aid for *you*, but a memory aid for the *collective effort* of several researchers plus a computer system. 

@anon2979239943, what's your take here?"
22,79454,2020-06-24T09:58:40.479Z,13988,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,79442,anon1650793189,anon2867672406,"Thank you, @anon2867672406!"
23,79455,2020-06-24T10:21:41.284Z,13988,0,15,14,1,0,0,38.0,79454,anon2867672406,anon1650793189,"My pleasure, @anon1650793189 . 

There is an additional point that I did not mention: turns out that rich posts are... rich, with 10-20 annotations. Picture them as points in the highly multidimensional space of human experience, for example a reported episode of workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation in Warsaw. You have two choices: 

* either collapse them into a n–multiple code, like `homosexuality:discrimination:workplace:large_cities:poland`
* or attribute each of the n codes separately. 

The latter solution will show up as an n-clique in the semantic graph, with all codes connected to each other. This is how the SSN knows that they all occurred together. You do not lose that information. At the same time you are protected from having to carry the logic of multiple codes to a rather silly conclusion. *And* you can reach the post from any of the codes: ""let's see what happens in the part of the convo that describes Poland"", or ""hmm, that about the LGBT+ community?""


SSNs are quite elegant objects, you see. As you get the knack of them, you will find yourself picturing drawing edges as you code: ""wow, I have seen `discrimination` a few posts back, but I don't think it ever co-occurred with `homosexuality` yet!"". That sort of stuff."
24,79463,2020-06-24T12:21:48.987Z,13988,0,14,13,1,0,0,37.8,79675,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"Heads up, everyone: moving this out to the public workspace. There seems to be no reason for keeping it secret, in fact it is super-interesting methodological debate!"
25,79554,2020-06-25T11:16:32.260Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,79442,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,"@anon2867672406 is right (you have learned well, young padawan.) @anon1650793189 and I just had a call to clarify.  

I'm making a wiki now so that we have a centralised list of coding conventions in POPREBEL (and in general, an updated centralised list of best practices for coding in SSNA). Will link when it's finished."
26,79560,2020-06-25T12:10:07.186Z,13988,1,13,12,1,1,0,27.6,79554,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:25, topic:13988""]
I’m making a wiki
[/quote]


I was going to suggest that!"
27,79755,2020-06-30T08:41:34.537Z,13988,2,16,15,1,0,0,18.2,79560,anon1650793189,anon2867672406,"Hi! @anon2979239943 
Yesterday anon4110936133 and I had a meeting and we came up with a few questions.

1. Say, we have a code stigmatisation, an example of which may be labelling, and we encounter a text where a set of labels is listed. So a person mentions that people call her a feminazi, a dike, etc. Is it ok to code every label? I know we should rather avoid coding word-for-word, but some of them, like Polish ""pisior"" (a Law and Justice hardcore supportrer) wil keep popping up and we think are worth coding.

2. anon4110936133 came up with the idea to introduce the code constructing_common_identity with children such as: nation, religious community, Europeans, etc. I have already noticed the issues of common identity being raised here and there, people speaking of the need for finding, (re) building it, complaining of it being dismantled, so I think it might be worthwhile to have it.

3. Matters related to inclusion/exclusion dychotomy seem to play a central role in our investigations. Have you guys come across any mentions of these two? How do you code them?

4. We have a story about living libraries, and we'd like to code them under countering_exclusion -> learning/teaching pluralism -> living libraries. Does that sound ok?

5. anon4110936133 and I think that having two codes positive_sentiment and negative_sentiment to code for positive feelings/attitude and negative feelings/attitude towards something respectively might be of use. Do you code for emotions? Does it make sense at all to put these into backend (I have my doubts since their proliferation may distort the SSNA graphical output, yet they seem to be ethnographically valuable). Please advise.

6. Polishness is described using various labels (provincial, religious, tolerant, etc.). How can we code a phenomenon that is being defined by means of listing its characteristics. 

7. One last thing. When I put my codes in the backend they sometimes merge automatically with already pre-existing codes by other annotators, sometimes they don't (for example my homophobia, or country_comparison are now under Amelia's, while my code church stays separate). It's not a problem now, but may somehow make adding tranlsations more difficult. Will see. Just saying :slight_smile:

Ok, that's it for now. I'm getting back to coding, I have another meeting with anon4110936133 scheduled for today. I keep working on refining my codebook and writing definitions for the codes I decided to keep.

@anon

Have a great day, everybody!"
28,79794,2020-06-30T16:49:41.686Z,13988,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943 and @anon1650793189 Can we, please, meet on Thursday? I am totally flexible, but to start planning: how about 15:00 in England (10:00 am here and 16:00 for anon1650793189ek)? We are making progress, but have questions (see also above --> anon1650793189ek's last entry).  anon4110936133"
29,79795,2020-06-30T17:01:37.394Z,13988,1,15,14,1,1,0,28.0,79755,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
y, we have a code stigmatisation, an example of which may be labelling, and we encounter a text where a set of labels is listed. So a person mentions that people call her a feminazi, a dike, etc. Is it ok to code every label? I know we should rather avoid coding word-for-word, but some of them, like Polish “pisior” (a Law and Justice hardcore supportrer) wil keep popping up and we think are worth coding.
[/quote]

I would code this, yes, and code it with double quotations to indicate that it is an invivo code (as is the convention we have agreed upon, see the wiki). I would assume this occurs in a sentence, so attach the code to the sentence and not just the word. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
anon4110936133 came up with the idea to introduce the code constructing_common_identity with children such as: nation, religious community, Europeans, etc. I have already noticed the issues of common identity being raised here and there, people speaking of the need for finding, (re) building it, complaining of it being dismantled, so I think it might be worthwhile to have it.
[/quote]

Use the code ""constructing common identity"" --  that is an excellent code. But it is not a parent code. Just code it along with the other codes, and it will appear as a co-occurrence in the graph. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
Matters related to inclusion/exclusion dychotomy seem to play a central role in our investigations. Have you guys come across any mentions of these two? How do you code them?
[/quote]

If you look at my codebook, I have quite a few codes around this concept. Take a look in the ""hierarchies"" tab and see if any work for you. And please leave a note if they are closely connected to any of yours. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
We have a story about living libraries, and we’d like to code them under countering_exclusion -> learning/teaching pluralism -> living libraries. Does that sound ok?
[/quote]

Your codes shouldn't have these underscores -- just use a space. Also, are the arrows supposed to be designating hierarchies? Don't use hierarchies, just code the content with each of those codes. Then you will get a co-occurrence emerging in the graph. And feel free to then use them as categories in your own codebook, which we can then discuss later (see the wiki on hierarchies). 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
* anon4110936133 and I think that having two codes positive_sentiment and negative_sentiment to code for positive feelings/attitude and negative feelings/attitude towards something respectively might be of use. Do you code for emotions? Does it make sense at all to put these into backend (I have my doubts since their proliferation may distort the SSNA graphical output, yet they seem to be ethnographically valuable). Please advise.
[/quote]

If you look at my codebook, you can see that I have an entire category of codes with different emotions in them. If you are coding particular emotions that informants are expressing, feel free to use that emotion as a code. But ""positive"" and ""negative"" are too vague / non-semantic and don't belong in the SSNA. @anon1700133569 has a way of designating ""non-SSNA"" codes, but I'm not sure yet if we can implement it in POPREBEL. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
Polishness is described using various labels (provincial, religious, tolerant, etc.). How can we code a phenomenon that is being defined by means of listing its characteristics.
[/quote]
That's an analytical/interpretive question that you and anon4110936133 need to try to approach using the codes! I personally would create a code `'Polishness'` (using the single quotes to denote an informant concept, see the wiki) and then co-code with the other concept labels that appear (so, `provincial` or `religious` ). Then you'll end up with a nice co-occurrence network of all the concepts that your informants associate with `'Polishness'` 

I'm happy to meet with you and @anon4110936133, but you need to first engage properly with my codes and @anon3353600255's codes (by using the comment function, as described in the wiki), and read the wiki in detail, because this will answer a lot of your questions and give us more specifics to talk about. So if you can commit to doing this before Thursday, we can talk then. Otherwise, we can speak next week."
30,79796,2020-06-30T17:21:52.446Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,42.6,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943 and @anon1650793189 We got it. anon1650793189ek and I just finished talking. Here is our plan: the two of us will meet again on Thursday to further discuss  and coordinate Polish codes (after studying your wiki). On Saturday, we will meet to further discuss your codebook, the wiki, etc, and start coordinating the codes. Next week , we will be ready to meet with you and the rest of the team. **How about Thursday, July 9?** (Please accept our anon3760934795ogy for some slowdown and delay: anon1650793189ek is now on a short vacation with his family and I have tomorrow (Wednesday) the wedding of our son and on Sunday the whole family is going to the beach until Wednesday evening). J"
31,79802,2020-06-30T18:48:04.991Z,13988,0,14,13,1,0,0,37.8,79796,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"That sounds great. @anon3353600255 and @anon2631063041, can you make a call on the 9th? I’m flexible time-wise on that date at the moment."
32,79805,2020-06-30T19:44:07.522Z,13988,1,15,14,1,1,0,13.0,79795,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:29, topic:13988""]
I would code this, yes, and code it with double quotations to indicate that it is an invivo code (as is the convention we have agreed upon, see the wiki). I would assume this occurs in a sentence, so attach the code to the sentence and not just the word.
[/quote]
Hi, the thing is that a number of them occur in one sentence. I did not specify that, I'm sorry.

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:29, topic:13988""]
Use the code “constructing common identity” – that is an excellent code. But it is not a parent code. Just code it along with the other codes, and it will appear as a co-occurrence in the graph.
[/quote]
We were planning on using it in our codebooks. Is it ok?

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:29, topic:13988""]
If you look at my codebook, I have quite a few codes around this concept. Take a look in the “hierarchies” tab and see if any work for you. And please leave a note if they are closely connected to any of yours.
[/quote]
Will do, already started looking through it.

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:29, topic:13988""]
Your codes shouldn’t have these underscores – just use a space. Also, are the arrows supposed to be designating hierarchies? Don’t use hierarchies, just code the content with each of those codes. Then you will get a co-occurrence emerging in the graph. And feel free to then use them as categories in your own codebook, which we can then discuss later (see the wiki on hierarchies).
[/quote]
Yes, the arrows were supposed to present categories and again, just for the codebook. We remember not to create any in backend.

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:29, topic:13988""]
If you look at my codebook, you can see that I have an entire category of codes with different emotions in them. If you are coding particular emotions that informants are expressing, feel free to use that emotion as a code. But “positive” and “negative” are too vague / non-semantic and don’t belong in the SSNA. @anon1700133569 has a way of designating “non-SSNA” codes, but I’m not sure yet if we can implement it in POPREBEL.
[/quote]
Ok, will look for those!

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:29, topic:13988""]
That’s an analytical/interpretive question that you and anon4110936133 need to try to approach using the codes! I personally would create a code `'Polishness'` (using the single quotes to denote an informant concept, see the wiki) and then co-code with the other concept labels that appear (so, `provincial` or `religious` ). Then you’ll end up with a nice co-occurrence network of all the concepts that your informants associate with `'Polishness'`
[/quote]
In the backend, yes. But how would you present it in the codebook? These codes are not really members or examples of Polishness (these words have much broader meaning, obviously). Should they remain independent in our codebooks?
I anon3760934795ogize for my lack of precision on these matters. I should've specified at each instance whether I meant our codebook or backend."
33,79853,2020-07-02T12:02:46.681Z,13988,0,15,14,1,1,0,23.0,79805,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:32, topic:13988""]
Hi, the thing is that a number of them occur in one sentence. I did not specify that, I’m sorry.
[/quote]

So code the same sentence with multiple codes. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:32, topic:13988""]
We were planning on using it in our codebooks. Is it ok?
[/quote]
I don't see why not. Check if others have used similar codes, then either choose to use theirs, or use yours and mark in their codebook that you think yours might be a better fit (or just mark the connection). 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:32, topic:13988""]
n the backend, yes. But how would you present it in the codebook? These codes are not really members or examples of Polishness (these words have much broader meaning, obviously). Should they remain independent in our codebooks?
I anon3760934795ogize for my lack of precision on these matters. I should’ve specified at each instance whether I meant our codebook or backend.
[/quote]

Hierarchies in the backend and categories in the codebook should be thought of in the same way. Think of your codebook as a ""staging"" for the hierarchies you'd like to implement in the backend. So the same logic applies to both."
34,79857,2020-07-02T12:05:25.216Z,13988,2,12,11,1,1,0,32.4,79851,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:16, topic:13988, full:true""]
It seems everyone is running a bit behind, so let’s say that coding needs to be finished by the end of the day on the 6th. That gives us two full days to go through each other’s codebooks before we meet.

There is no purpose in us meeting if we have not reviewed each other’s codebooks, so please give an update on the 6th if this is not looking feasible for anyone and we will go from there. If this ends up being the case, let us know sooner rather than later so we can push back.

@anon3353600255 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189
[/quote]
@anon2631063041 @anon3379710332 
 
Repeating this so everyone sees it. We will meet on the 9th if everyone is ready. If not, we will find another time the week after. Please update ASAP when you know if you'll complete the work on time (with quality -- if it's going to be low quality because you've rushed it, just say so and we will push back. Better to work with good data.)"
35,79865,2020-07-02T15:49:41.674Z,13988,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,79857,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,Roger that. Thank you for your help and patience :)
36,79895,2020-07-03T11:59:26.102Z,13988,4,14,13,1,0,0,42.8,79857,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Hi team -- based on some communication, I've decided to push back our meeting so everyone feels they have time to do their best work. 

With that taken into account, I propose the following: 

* Please finish coding and arranging your codes into categories by the end of next week (so, **Friday the 11th**). 
* Please finish reading and reviewing/commenting on codebooks (PARTICULARLY with an eye to merging codes that are the same or similar across codebooks) by the **15th of July**. You can and should be doing this work in parallel with the coding itself.

* Take the rest of the week (**til the 17th of July**) to resolve any low-hanging fruit -- easy merges, etc -- since everyone's codebooks should not be gaining new codes by then, and firm up your own edits based upon others' feedback as best you can. 

We will then plan to meet the **week of the 20th**, at which point I will have created the new SSNA visualisation. In that meeting we will:
* a) discuss and carry out more complex code merges we have noted 
* b) create hierarchies in the backend based upon the categories we have created in our own codebooks and
*  c) discuss the SSNA and what it means for future coding. 

The deadline for a writeup of your findings based upon our meeting and the visualisation is **August 1st**. 

Can everyone please verbally confirm that this works for them, and if not let us know why (e.g. if you will be on holiday the week of the 20th) so we can plan otherwise. This will be set in stone, no more pushbacks. 

@anon2631063041 @anon3353600255 @anon1650793189 @anon4110936133 @anon3379710332"
37,80049,2020-07-07T13:08:32.951Z,13988,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,79895,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"Hello Amelia, hello all,

this works for me. And thank you for the postponement.

Best, Zdeněk"
38,80193,2020-07-09T11:41:41.446Z,13988,0,14,13,1,0,0,22.8,79895,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,"Hi Amelia,

for some reason, I received notifications on these messages only yesterday :-/, hence the missing answers from me. I confirm, we are just having a coding meeting with @anon2631063041, so more codes are on the way as planned."
39,80202,2020-07-09T15:40:38.874Z,13988,1,14,13,1,0,0,27.8,79895,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Is everyone free Thursday July 23rd? I propose 9:30am for @anon4110936133 , 14:30 for @anon2979239943 and @anon3379710332, 15:30 for @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 and @anon1650793189.

Please like this post if this works for you. Otherwise, please propose another time!"
40,80203,2020-07-09T16:30:55.590Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,80202,anon3379710332,anon2979239943,Could we push it back 30 minutes to 10.00/15.00/16.00? I have a REF meeting at 13.30 and they have a tendency to drag on.
41,80204,2020-07-09T17:07:53.924Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,80203,anon2979239943,anon3379710332,Fine with me!
42,80205,2020-07-09T20:34:30.514Z,13988,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,80204,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,"that Thursday is unfortunately a bit limited for me, could we do it the same time a day before - Wednesday 22nd? Otherwise I am fully available on Monday and Tuesday as well during that week"
43,80206,2020-07-09T21:08:08.724Z,13988,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,I can do this 10/15/16. In my calendar. I think anon1650793189ek is also available. But wiwe wait for Jirka?
44,80207,2020-07-09T21:09:12.210Z,13988,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,80206,anon3353600255,anon4110936133,"I cannot, unfortunately, suggested a day earlier above"
45,80213,2020-07-10T08:55:58.235Z,13988,3,13,12,1,0,0,37.6,80207,anon2979239943,anon3353600255,"Ok, 9:30/14:30/15:30 Wed 22 July — does this work for all? I have another meeting at 16 UK."
46,80248,2020-07-10T21:00:10.631Z,13988,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,80213,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"I am fine the whole week. Lea (my daughter) has a summer kindergarten, therefore, between 8:30 and 16:30 CET (15:30 GMT) would be ideal, since the kindergarten closes at 17:00. However, if needed, I can go to pick her up earlier, and have her at home (watching e.g. Harry Potter or Marry Poppins on tablet) during our the call."
47,80423,2020-07-13T20:37:30.534Z,13988,2,13,12,1,3,0,32.6,79718,anon2661411812,anon4110936133,"Sorry for very late reply, but:

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:3, topic:13988""]
Hello there, I cannot code for some reason.
[/quote]

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:6, topic:13988""]
Same here. I don’t see any of my previous codes
[/quote]

I believe these were all issues we had briefly while upgrading the Discourse software. At least for me, seeing highlighted annotations from previous coding works alright. Let me know if you still experience these issues, of course.

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:4, topic:13988""]
I’m also not able to use the merge function right now – when I try to click on the drop down to select a code to merge, it won’t open up.
[/quote]

It works, but the user interface changed recently to make it more comfortable. Now, the dropdown is rather an auto-complete box. First you need to enter the start of a code name to merge with, then you'll see matching codes in the dropdown. (I [created an issue](https://github.com/edgeryders/annotator_store-gem/issues/155) to make this more obvious. Please drop good ideas for how to make it obvious there, if and when they occur :) ).

&nbsp;

If you need technical assistance in urgent matters until end of August, do not hesitate to contact me repeatedly. I'm just completely overworked until end of August, so the only way for me to know what is really important is if I get told it twice :D"
48,80436,2020-07-14T09:56:28.047Z,13988,0,12,11,1,1,0,37.4,80423,anon2979239943,anon2661411812,"[quote=""anon2661411812, post:47, topic:13988""]
f you need technical assistance in urgent matters until end of August, do not hesitate to contact me repeatedly. I’m just completely overworked until end of August, so the only way for me to know what is really important is if I get told it twice :smiley:
[/quote]

Thanks @anon2661411812. In the interests of making things easier to find (and since everyone is not fully comfortable using the github) I'm going to create a separate location on ER for OE issues/wishlist and ask everyone to a) note any technical difficulties they are having on that thread and b) mark those as resolved if they go away before you get to it. also c) list any ongoing requests they have. We have a similar thing going on BBU right now and it works well -- helps things not get lost. Then those of us comfortable with adding to github can move things straight over from there.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/open-ethnographer-wishlist-and-issue-log/14088?u=anon2979239943"
49,80444,2020-07-14T10:56:25.937Z,13988,0,10,9,1,1,0,52.0,79755,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:27, topic:13988""]
ne last thing. When I put my codes in the backend they sometimes merge automatically with already pre-existing codes by other annotators, sometimes they don’t (for example my homophobia, or country_comparison are now under Amelia’s, while my code church stays separate). It’s not a problem now, but may somehow make adding tranlsations more difficult. Will see. Just saying :slight_smile:
[/quote]

That's strange. Can you add it to the Issue Log? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/open-ethnographer-wishlist-and-issue-log/14088

Also, I've now configured everyone's user profiles to set their default languages to Polish (@anon1650793189 and @anon4110936133) or Czech (@anon2631063041 and @anon3353600255) and you should all now see each others' codes as suggestions when you are coding, as you will now be offered POPREBEL codes as suggestions rather than just your own (you too, @anon3379710332)."
50,80483,2020-07-14T17:02:43.071Z,13988,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,80213,anon3379710332,anon2979239943,"I can join you for the first 30 minutes, then I have another meeting."
51,80578,2020-07-15T16:06:29.905Z,13988,1,14,13,1,1,0,27.8,80213,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Hi everyone! I've gone through your codebooks and made some comments. The codes look great as a first big push and I see many, many overlaps -- we will be able to merge many of them. 

Currently both Czech and Polish codebooks still need updated hierarchy/category tabs. This is important because it will help us have a productive conversation around merging and creating hierarchies -- otherwise it'll be very difficult to do comparison/merging work and backend hierarchy creation in the call. 

You can use my hierarchies/categories tab for inspiration (if we have similar categories, it'll be easier to compare) but feel free of course to create your own as you please and comment on mine if they need changing. 

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:36, topic:13988""]
Please finish coding and arranging your codes into categories by the end of next week (so, **Friday the 11th** ).
[/quote]


Please have these categories ready by the time we talk, ideally sooner (the deadline was the 11th, if you see above)! If this is not going to happen for you, say so now so we can push back the call. I'm committed to only talking as a group when we are ready to do some proper merging and hierarchy organisation work, otherwise we will do a subpar job. 

@anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon1650793189 @anon4110936133"
52,80585,2020-07-15T16:23:40.535Z,13988,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,80578,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,"aha, missed out on that part, will do until Friday (the low hanging fruits package:)"
53,80788,2020-07-20T16:25:53.326Z,13988,1,14,13,1,0,0,42.8,80585,anon2979239943,anon3353600255,"OK, it's Doodle time as ad hoc scheduling isn't quite working :) 

Please fill out this Doodle and we'll schedule a meeting for either the end of this week or next week based upon it: https://doodle.com/poll/axp35wnszi8zg6nn

We have a lot to talk about, so I'm blocking out 1.5 hours. 

@anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3379710332 please fill it out as soon as you can."
54,80826,2020-07-21T12:26:40.853Z,13988,2,13,12,1,0,0,17.6,80788,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,@anon2631063041 just waiting on you!
55,80932,2020-07-22T15:00:25.635Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,80826,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Dear All, let's decide. Here is the Doodle result. I am flexible and for now will put 9:00 - 10:30, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday in my calendar. You decide. Minor preference for Tuesday.
![image|579x417](upload://4gnkP7FspNvDv8xrII7dhZ4QUWX.png)"
56,80933,2020-07-22T15:29:25.206Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,80932,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"Tuesday 9-10:30 EST, 14-15:30 UK, 15 -16:30 CEST. Please set in stone in your calendars."
57,80934,2020-07-22T15:37:50.618Z,13988,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,80933,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,DONE. Thanks @anon2979239943 :smiley:
58,80935,2020-07-22T15:50:24.000Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,80826,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"Hi,

sorry, I am not working Mondays and Tuesdays for FSV UK / on the POPREBEL project. Therefore, Tuesday is not the best day for me, but I can manage next week, I am more flexible during the Summer.

However, the kindergarten closes at 17:00 our time, therefore I would have to leave the meeting 16:30 sharp.

Zdenek"
59,80941,2020-07-23T08:55:09.314Z,13988,2,10,9,1,0,0,32.0,80935,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"Hi all, is Wednesday OK for everyone instead (see @anon2631063041's comment above)? @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3353600255 (@anon3379710332 I know you said Wednesday is a bit hectic..)"
60,80943,2020-07-23T09:35:06.706Z,13988,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,80941,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,Fine with me
61,80951,2020-07-23T13:59:45.143Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,80941,anon3379710332,anon2979239943,See you next Wednesday at 14.00. :-)
62,80974,2020-07-24T14:13:00.942Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,80951,anon1650793189,anon3379710332,Fine!
63,80987,2020-07-26T17:29:45.276Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,80974,anon4110936133,anon1650793189,Ok with me.
64,81005,2020-07-27T11:45:37.339Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,80987,anon2631063041,anon4110936133,Thanks for the rescheduling. I will be online on Wednesday 15:00 (to 16:30) CET.
65,81146,2020-07-29T11:15:35.847Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,81005,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"Agenda for Today:

1. Check-ins on technical coding process. Any issues, and creating a priority list for any changes. Explanation of documentation process for bug reports and functionality requests. (10 min)

2. Check-ins on methodological coding process. Any changes needed to process/procedure, codebook structure, etc. (20 min)

3. Looking at the Graph Ryder instance to help with step 4 -- check it out beforehand if you can! https://graphryder3.edgeryders.eu/. (15 min)

4. Code merges and hierarchies. Going through each codebook's categories tab and marking codes that need to be merged. (30 min) 

5. Discussion of next steps: a) preliminary findings writeup; b) August holiday (15 min) 


@anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon3379710332"
66,81160,2020-07-29T12:53:52.749Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,81146,anon3379710332,anon2979239943,"Do you have a link for this meeting?

If not, we can use [https://zoom.us/j/4149496930](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F4149496930&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf87e7e8689304e3619b908d7c82e2bb5%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637197972933729447&sdata=Iqq4nYS9XWJ%2BkgdW8mdyUpaofYbYQYHHmwrd6KOCi3o%3D&reserved=0)"
68,81162,2020-07-29T12:55:19.130Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,81160,anon2979239943,anon3379710332,Thank you @anon3379710332! We can use your link.
71,81165,2020-07-29T12:59:54.636Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,81162,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,@anon4110936133 we can use @anon3379710332's link :)
72,81171,2020-07-29T15:22:02.912Z,13988,2,10,9,1,0,0,32.0,81165,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Notes from Coding Call 29 July 2020 

Thanks for a great call today! 

We agreed to document all issues and function requests in the [Log](https://edgeryders.eu/t/open-ethnographer-issue-log-function-requests-and-wishlist/14088) and [GitHub](https://github.com/edgeryders/annotator_store-gem/issues). Keep it succinct, straightforward and actionable -- what is wrong, and what do you want it to do instead?  

We will do a merging and hierarchy building exercise together next week. First, @anon1650793189 and @anon4110936133 will update their categories tab. Next, @anon2979239943 will create a shared document with all of our codes, colour coded. Then in the call we will a) identify and carry out merges and b) create and implement hierarchies.   

Action Items 

@anon1650793189 and @anon4110936133: 
1. Populate Categories tab with codes and ping @anon2979239943 when done. 
2. Create a list of function requests for multilingual OE  -- clear and succinct. Edit current entries in Log to also be clear and succinct. 

Everyone (above plus @anon3379710332 @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041):
* Fill out [this Doodle](https://doodle.com/poll/ixhtkss7bui2isxq) to schedule next week's call."
74,81173,2020-07-29T15:50:19.583Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,80423,anon2979239943,anon2661411812,"Thanks @anon2661411812! The number one priority for us now is being able to view a list of codes by the POPREBEL project as a whole (so, list of codes by project rather than/as well as by creator)."
75,81190,2020-07-30T09:07:40.087Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,81171,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"@anon2631063041, waiting on your response to the Doodle."
76,81203,2020-07-30T11:24:09.970Z,13988,2,9,8,1,0,0,61.8,81171,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Thursday it is! 9-10:30 Eastern USA, 2-3:30 UK, 3-4:30 Europe. Thanks!  

@anon2631063041 @anon3353600255 @anon3379710332 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189"
77,81213,2020-07-31T10:23:34.288Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,81203,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Hey all! Happy to announce that we can now sort our codes by project tag --- just filter in the backend by ""ethno-poprebel"" Thanks @anon2661411812! 

![image|690x673](upload://tLo0zyotlfYLhFBICrP0rgOH2GQ.png)"
78,81236,2020-08-01T10:01:42.969Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,81213,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Also, when you open the code list or perform any operations with coding, your default page is now your code list (not the any creator list)! @anon3353600255 I know you especially wanted this one, so hopefully it improves and speeds up the process all around :)"
79,81238,2020-08-01T10:52:50.612Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,56.8,81236,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"@anon1650793189 and @anon4110936133, @anon3353600255 and @anon2631063041, you can now designate That you want to see each others’ codes as suggestions! In ‘user settings’, select each other in the ‘propose codes from users’ field.

Thank you @anon2661411812 and Daniel for moving through these requests at the speed of light! This will make coding so much easier."
80,81239,2020-08-01T13:23:48.777Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,81238,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,This is all so great! Thanks a lot!:slight_smile:
81,81240,2020-08-01T13:32:06.820Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,56.8,81239,anon2979239943,anon3353600255,"Also, we are good to go on hierarchies. The parent code automatically takes the annotations of the child code, but keeps them visually separate for us -- so it's easy to undo if we need to, simply by unparenting the child code: 

![image|690x85](upload://j9MsmWqUz3iaRoRAuj2guiitaJ3.png)"
82,81241,2020-08-01T13:33:32.162Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,81240,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,Great!
83,81277,2020-08-03T13:30:49.355Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,81203,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"Our ""code-translingual-merging-meeting"" is this Thursday 6th August, 15:00-16:30 CET, right?"
84,81284,2020-08-03T14:37:50.106Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,81277,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,Yep!
85,81305,2020-08-03T15:58:26.479Z,13988,2,9,8,1,0,0,46.8,79675,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943
I'm happy to inform that we've just finished populating the categories tab.
Currently getting down to do some coding (so new code will probably appear, will add them immediately). It's not perfect, I know...


<image here> 
 
For example, our misc/abstract category is kinda swollen, but we will dig deeper and surely modify it (I mean move the codes where we think they fit, e.g. because there are quite a few negative phenomena there, we may create a category along the lines of ""ABUSES/BAD THINGS"" or sth, but need to ponder on it some more).

PS
These new functionalities are awesome!"
86,81332,2020-08-04T09:36:05.396Z,13988,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,81305,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"Awesome news, @anon1650793189. I'll make an integrated sheet for us today so we can all work on it together. 

Also your meme made me LOL yesterday when I opened this post :rofl: 

Glad you're enjoying the new functions -- so am I! Rock on @anon2661411812."
87,81335,2020-08-04T10:04:46.783Z,13988,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,81332,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"Thank you @anon2661411812 <3
One thing, though. Now that I chose to see only anon4110936133's codes in the backend, I can't see some of my own codes - namely those that were automagically merged with codes by other annotators. Every time I use the code, e.g. ""diversity"", since I was not its original creator, it does not appear in my suggestions. It is in our codebook, in the babckend there are our annotations that go with it, but it simply won't show as a suggestion.
Do you think I should put it onto our wishlist?"
88,81345,2020-08-04T15:52:22.600Z,13988,1,7,6,1,1,0,26.4,81335,anon2661411812,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:87, topic:13988""]
Now that I chose to see only anon4110936133’s codes in the backend, I can’t see some of my own codes - namely those that were automagically merged with codes by other annotators. Every time I use the code, e.g. “diversity”, since I was not its original creator, it does not appear in my suggestions.
[/quote]

Hmm ok I guess I finally understand what you mean by ""codes that were automagically merged with codes by other annotators"": when you entered a code that already existed, it was not created another time (this time with you as the creator) but re-used (not changing whoever was the creator before). Nothing is automagically merged, as your own code never existed. You chose to apply somebody else's code by choosing it from the auto-complete list.

That behavior is intended because the whole application is meant for collaborative coding, so code re-use. The proper solution would be to enter the names of *all* collaborators in your coding team in the backend under ""User Settings → … → Propose codes from users:"". Your team would be the group of people from whom you want to see codes proposed.

The trouble you're having now is because of the migration from ""your team is everyone contributing to the ethnographic project"" to ""your team is a few users"". To fix this, you'll have to copy codes containing your annotations where the code does not have you as the author. The copy will have you as the author, and you'll have to remove the copies of others' annotations from the copied code and the copies of your own annotations from the original code to prevent redundancy.

On a more general note, I don't know the purpose of this new feature of proposing codes from selected users. It effectively creates partially overlapping sub-projects inside an ethnographic coding project. Isn't the whole idea of collaborative coding that inside one ethnographic coding project (such as `ethno-poprebel`), one single common codebook is used by everyone? (cc @anon2979239943 )"
89,81348,2020-08-04T16:25:10.985Z,13988,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,81305,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"Here is the spreadsheet we'll use for the combined categories: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f44cSTA3xYkrYE7GinfzuKq9PAum_Cn49tQwgGU2TmA/edit?usp=sharing

I've populated them, but if everyone could go through and familiarise themselves with the sheet and start to mark places for merging, that would be great."
90,81349,2020-08-04T16:31:27.161Z,13988,2,8,7,1,1,0,16.6,81345,anon2979239943,anon2661411812,"[quote=""anon2661411812, post:88, topic:13988""]
Isn’t the whole idea of collaborative coding that inside one ethnographic coding project (such as `ethno-poprebel` ), one single common codebook is used by everyone? (cc @anon2979239943 )
[/quote]

Indeed, and this is what we do in NGI and Babel (and what I do in POPREBEL). But @anon4110936133 and @anon1650793189 like to assign their codes first and then check that they mean the same things as the other ethnographers, and then do the merge if that is true (rather than checking the codebook while coding before assigning the code). Later down the line, when it's easy to see both the codes and definitions on the platform while coding, there will be no question that we all check for definitional alignment at the time of code assignment. At the moment, that adds a lot of time, so I'm ok with them doing it the other way and then merging their codes when they check and confirm that they mean the same thing as the other ethnographers. All have committed to being stranon3589994963nt about this merging and doing it regularly -- we have a large-scale merging exercise on Thursday to get on the same page, and will make the merging process firm. 

I identified that the process you describe (the selection of other people's codes while coding) was happening on a call with Wojciech rather than anything 'automagic' and explained it to him, but he also thought there was an actual 'automagic' process going on prior to his setting his user settings to the ethno poprebel tag --- @anon1650793189 can you confirm and describe, please, if this is still happening?

Otherwise, I agree with @anon2661411812 re your old codes --- it's ideal that they become merged anyway, once we know we mean the same thing, so we need to come up with a process for this (them joining the group codes) which doesn't make you feel like you've lost them. The ideal is that we work toward a shared codebook, not siloed ones, and this should be much easier now that we can filter the codes by ethno poprebel tag."
91,81351,2020-08-04T16:36:21.895Z,13988,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,81349,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"In NGI, for example, we have one codebook that we all contribute to, not 3 different ones. This wasn't workable in POPREBEL when we were in vastly different places, but now we need to move toward that shared format, which is in part what we are doing on Thursday. We can discuss the merging procedure then and at that point we can talk with @anon2661411812 if we need any kind of solution to the issue you're putting forward, @anon1650793189. My hope is that once we merge codes on Thurs we also create a unified codebook that we use from here on out (and that we will all ultimately spend more time on the POPREBEL codes list than our own!) Of course to do this, we need to establish a clear process together :)"
92,81361,2020-08-04T20:09:55.108Z,13988,1,7,6,1,2,0,11.4,81349,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:90, topic:13988""]
I identified that the process you describe (the selection of other people’s codes while coding) was happening on a call with Wojciech rather than anything ‘automagic’ and explained it to him, but he also thought there was an actual ‘automagic’ process going on prior to his setting his user settings to the ethno poprebel tag — @anon1650793189 can you confirm and describe, please, if this is still happening?
[/quote]

@anon2661411812 @anon2979239943
As far as I remember the issue was indeed there. 
For now blessed be your explanation and suggestion for a possible way of fixing the issue raised, @anon2661411812!.
(And I used the word ""merging"" because the result was or seemed identical to the result of using the merge function)
I rest my case. 
For good it seems.
Thanks again!

[quote=""anon2979239943, post:91, topic:13988""]
My hope is that once we merge codes on Thurs we also create a unified codebook that we use from here on out (and that we will all ultimately spend more time on the POPREBEL codes list than our own!) Of course to do this, we need to establish a clear process together :slight_smile:
[/quote]

That will solve some of the issues, I think. 
Just a technical question, though: I'm wondering if this shared codebook is going to have tabs for translations or will it be English only?"
93,81372,2020-08-05T07:45:22.354Z,13988,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,81361,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"Translations too, for sure! :)"
94,81392,2020-08-05T15:11:06.584Z,13988,3,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,81372,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"![image|690x387](upload://mesvQhSGRLBim9MQZsuIFoSEKYh.png) 
Ok @anon2979239943 @anon2661411812 , I still don't get why my code ""tourism"" got ""merged"" with Nermine's, not Zdenek's or Inga's. Judging by the codes' Ids Inga's was chronologically first. 
Now I had no suggestion for it during coding since I chose to see only anon4110936133's codes.
It's still kinda magical to me."
95,81394,2020-08-05T15:22:33.677Z,13988,1,7,6,1,1,0,11.4,81392,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:94, topic:13988""]
Ok @anon2979239943 @anon2661411812 , I still don’t get why my code “tourism” got “merged” with Nermine’s, not Zdenek’s or Inga’s. Judging by the codes’ Ids Inga’s was chronologically first.
Now I had no suggestion for it during coding since I chose to see only anon4110936133’s codes.
It’s still kinda magical to me.
[/quote]

This happened even though you were set to only see POPREBEL / jan's codes? Definitely an issue then."
96,81398,2020-08-05T19:20:29.698Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,81394,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"Right? And, like I said, it happened before, when no suggestions appeared."
97,81410,2020-08-06T08:58:57.996Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,81392,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"Is it possible that you or anon4110936133 had already selected this code previously, so it would show up as suggested for you since you'd used it before siloing, even though Nermine was the original author?"
98,81413,2020-08-06T09:30:04.771Z,13988,2,8,7,1,1,0,16.6,81348,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:89, topic:13988, full:true""]
Here is the spreadsheet we’ll use for the combined categories:

[docs.google.com ](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f44cSTA3xYkrYE7GinfzuKq9PAum_Cn49tQwgGU2TmA/edit?usp=sharing)

### [Combined Categories ](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f44cSTA3xYkrYE7GinfzuKq9PAum_Cn49tQwgGU2TmA/edit?usp=sharing)

Categories Feelings / Emotions,Historical/Political Ideas,Migration / ""Home"",Socioeconomic Topics,Housing positive (null),isms (null),attachment to home country,emigration,immigration,social phenomena (create...

I’ve populated them, but if everyone could go through and familiarise themselves with the sheet and start to mark places for merging, that would be great.
[/quote]

[date=2020-08-06 time=14:00:00 timezone=""Europe/London""] → [date=2020-08-06 time=15:30:00 timezone=""Europe/London""]

**Call Agenda Today**

*Expected Attendees: @anon2979239943 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 and likely @anon2867672406*     
*Big Picture/Goal: Create systems and merge codes to improve intercoder reliability and collective approach to coding.* 

**1_OE Update (GitHub process and new features) + Shared Codebook Goal** (10 minutes) 
See open issues and resolved issues [here](https://github.com/edgeryders/annotator_store-gem/milestone/1). 

Important highlights

* We can now see a list of codes by ethno-poprebel tag, so we can generate a list of all of our codes. Use this view as frequently as the view of your own codes so we maintain a project-wide view of the corpus.

* Code merges now happen from the page of the code you want to merge, so n**avigate to the code you want to get rid of, not the code you want to keep, to implement the merge** (from a UX perspective, this is much better). Merging a code now keeps its parent intact.

* All annotations of the child codes are automatically also assigned to the parent code, and are visibly different in the backend. This also means that to remove the annotations of the child from the parent, all we have to do is unparent the code. **We need to figure out if this is implemented in GraphRyder.**

* We can now group users so that @anon4110936133 and @anon1650793189 only see each others' codes as suggestions, as requested. If we do this, we need to be highly dilligent about consistently merging codes, on a weekly basis at minimum (but ideally after every batch of coding). I can explain my process and see if others think they'd want to adopt it --- it allows for me to keep my view at project level without losing the codes I assigned (by sorting by 'new' while also logging my codes in the codebook immediately). A shared codebook should also massively help with this, ensuring that one tab is chronological, one is alphabetical, and then one is a category tab (with as many additional as people want as sandbox areas).

* Your default code list view is now your own, which should make backend work easier and less tedious. 

**2 _Hierarchy vs Category Discussion** (10 minutes)

* We have decided against allowing multiple parents for one child code in the backend, for both computational reasons and organisational reasons. We need to keep distinguishing clearly between hierarchies (which are strict and ontological) vs categories (which are looser and more for the ethnographers' mental models). To implement a hierarchy, the code must *always*, regardless of context, belong under that parent code. This requires more careful attention to meaning in use, because a lot of the examples we have of parent-child relationships don't hold everywhere (e.g. the Pope is not always an ""influential figure"" to all informants, and so isn't a strict child of it). 

**3_Merging codes** (1 hour) 

Procedure: One member of each language team has their codebook open and is in charge of codebook changes. The other member has the Open Ethnographer backend open and is in charge of code merges. Please decide who is who before the meeting! 

**4_Merging codebooks (10 minutes)**

We will create a procedure for this and if there is no time remaining, do it asynchronously."
99,81426,2020-08-06T12:08:39.259Z,13988,1,9,8,1,1,0,26.8,81392,anon2661411812,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:94, topic:13988""]I still don’t get why my code “tourism” got “merged” with Nermine’s, not Zdenek’s or Inga’s.[/quote]

Because codes are identified not just by their name, but by their full path. To code with Inga's code, you'd have to enter or select ""spotTheFuture → assets → tourism"" in the annotation popup. Nermine's ""tourism"" code is the first code indeed named just ""tourism"".

That said, I think two codes with exactly the same name and path (like here ""tourism"" and ""tourism"") are not supposed to exist. I recorded that now as [issue #172](https://github.com/edgeryders/annotator_store-gem/issues/172).

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:94, topic:13988""]Now I had no suggestion for it during coding since I chose to see only anon4110936133’s codes.[/quote]

That's another issue: if the code is not in the suggestions but already exists, what should happen?"
100,81432,2020-08-06T12:49:40.834Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,81413,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"@anon4110936133 or @anon3379710332, could you generate us a Zoom link? Thank you!"
101,81434,2020-08-06T12:58:28.010Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,81432,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"We can use my zoom:

Topic: Zdeněk Sloboda's Personal Meeting Room

Join Zoom Meeting
https://cesnet.zoom.us/j/4571231537?pwd=WjdIRm1GY1FpMG5qUWU3NlNpOGYyQT09

Meeting ID: 457 123 1537
Passcode: 3xtFdY"
102,81435,2020-08-06T13:00:40.531Z,13988,0,10,9,1,1,0,7.0,81426,anon1650793189,anon2661411812,"@anon2661411812 

[quote=""anon2661411812, post:99, topic:13988""]
That’s another issue: if the code is not in the suggestions but already exists, what should happen?
[/quote]
Hmm...define ""should"" :slight_smile:
As you wrote earlier, the annotations I make will just be assigned to the already existing code. I'd rather it didn't happen since I don't really know if the person who created it had the same idea about, say, ""social support"". 
Besides, if I later decide to change the code's name, and my annotations are already there, I'll probably have to, as you suggested, copy the code and assign my coded fragments to that copy and then rename it. Am I right?"
103,81436,2020-08-06T13:01:58.905Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"1. What is the goal of our work/coding? For coding and building codebooks we need to keep in mind the goal of the project: “why do people like (or not) right-wing populists”? What features of people or conditions of the world are associated with the higher or lower levels of support for (right-wing) populists?

2. Historical ideas, as a separate category. So, break down historical-political (so, political ideas/ideologies are “on their own”)?

    Also: maybe “History” + subcategories?

3. Socioeconomic: how is it understood: Social OR Economic or social AND economic topics (Boolean sum or multiplication?

4. Maybe move our housing-related codes (in Socioeconomic category) to housing

5. People->homosexuality - includes homosexuals, should we keep them separate, or is it unnecessary proliferation?

6. In the codebook - can we have certain codes appear under more than one category?

    Would be great if we could, later, if possible, if we are able to create more than one parent in hierarchies that will facilitate the p;rocess.

7. Freedom - emotion, value, political? All?

8. Explain again versus single and double quotes rule, please.

9. Maybe change the name of the category Community to Sociability?

10. Hey, Amelia, why put “debt” under Labour?

11. Czech’s time perspective - merge with our History?

12. Create a new general category: Identity

13. A new code “urban-rural comparison”? (this is important from the point of view of our project goals."
104,81437,2020-08-06T13:08:19.418Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,81436,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,@anon2661411812 @anon2867672406 the backend functionality is down (it looks like an HTML page and the merge function isn't accessible). can you advise? We are on a coding call for merging so it's urgent. Thank you!
105,81446,2020-08-06T14:06:06.541Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,81437,anon2661411812,anon2979239943,"Yeah :| Daniel is repairing things since four hours already, still could not find the error. You probably have to re-schedule your call, I believe. For these calls, demos, or other critical times when you want to have a guarantee that Open Ethnographer works, in the future please tell @anon

Things broke today while Daniel was deploying a new version of Open Ethnographer. He's testing changes locally first, so usually this does not happen (and it's the first time it happened to Open Ethnographer, to my knowledge). In this case, the deployment relied on a feature that had been broken on edgeryders.eu for months already, without anyone noticing because it was not used during that time."
106,81456,2020-08-06T15:57:52.393Z,13988,0,12,11,1,1,0,22.4,81446,anon2979239943,anon2661411812,"[quote=""anon2661411812, post:105, topic:13988""]
For these calls, demos, or other critical times when you want to have a guarantee that Open Ethnographer works, in the future please tell @anon
[/quote]

Got it, will do in future! It's all good, we had plenty to talk about :)"
107,81459,2020-08-06T16:24:15.415Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,42.4,81413,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Call Notes 06/08/20: 
Present: @anon2867672406 @anon1650793189 @anon4110936133 @anon2631063041 @anon3353600255 @anon2979239943 @anon3379710332 
     
**Part 1: Workflow**

Once we determine that in this mode codes can only be selected from within POPREBEL (@anon1650793189 is tracking and reporting a potential bug), we all set our settings to see all POPREBEL codes as suggestions. 

We merge all of our codebooks into one codebook, with each code having translations in the other languages (this way, they will appear as suggestions no matter what language we are coding in). 

When coding, we keep one screen on OE, and another on the shared codebook categories page, to make sure we are assigning codes we have already used instead of creating new codes that have the same meaning (and to check definitions in case we are unsure). 

We code with these requirements in mind. Code must:
1. Be relevant to the POPREBEL project RQs, very broadly defined; 
2. Be capturing a concept that the informant cares about / has deemed meaningful; 
3. Be a good code (by the standards we have set in the wiki --- carry meaning on its own, and not be compound).

**Part 2: Action Items** 
1. Create new post discussing the proximate vs distant coding issue (@anon4110936133 and @anon2979239943) 
2. Go through the categories sheet and make notes on what to merge / rename. 
3. Perform any internal merges on your own codes and resolve them in the sheet. 
4. Create shared codebook (@anon2979239943 will start)."
108,82415,2020-08-27T14:09:05.386Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,81459,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Can we meet next week to implement some merges? Who can make September 1st, 2nd, or 3rd (Tues, Wed, Thurs?). 14 - 15:30 UK? @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041? 

Once we do this set of merges, we can update Graph Ryder and give @anon781457888 some visualisations to do outreach and engagement with, so we need to finish this up next week. If we need to meet in partial teams that's OK, but this needs to be done by the end of next week. Nadia, my goal is to get you these by Friday 4th September."
109,82418,2020-08-27T14:13:45.745Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,I can do Wednesday. Hope you are all doing well.
110,82419,2020-08-27T14:15:45.068Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,82418,anon1650793189,anon4110936133,Wednesday is ok.
111,82436,2020-08-28T09:45:27.256Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,82419,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"OK! We will do Wednesday September 2nd 14 to 15:30 UK. Whoever can make it, please join us."
112,82484,2020-08-29T21:33:49.070Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,79675,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"Ok, everybody. @anon2979239943 @anon2661411812 @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon4110936133     
There seems to be an issue. 
Quite a big one, I daresay.
Namely, I got down to cleaning my codes and, to my surprise, I realised that there seem to be no Polish translations (apart from the very few I added just now) in the backend. 
I also checked Jirka's and Zdenek's and the situation seems to be similar in the Czech team's domain (can you guys confirm?). 
Obviously, I haven't looked at all the codes yet, but it seems to be a global thing.

EDIT: I can find my codes in the system when I switch to Polish in my User Settings, but it still displays only their English names as if no translation was there. 
So they are SOMEWHERE there, just don't show. 
It makes checking if everything's translated before Amelia unleashes Graph Ryder on us a real bother.

![image|690x387](upload://hZgb1XOWRMhVexMcitvGu5NHf8l.png) 
but when I click it
![image|690x387](upload://3MG23qSIOWdx0l6xQj71mLRMs0w.png)"
113,82487,2020-08-30T13:04:09.172Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,82484,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,If it's a bug please report it in github!
114,82489,2020-08-30T16:08:20.889Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,82487,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"That's the plan, I wanted to check with everybody first. Maybe there is some new functionality I'm not aware of, maybe there is something I needed to click to see them. Besides, I wanted to see if the Czech team has the same issue."
115,82500,2020-08-31T08:22:42.182Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,82436,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,"Hello, I am in the middle of my vacation, travelling with limited access to the internet and worktable, @anon2631063041 could you take this one over? I will at least go over the file and comment form my perspective before the call"
116,82501,2020-08-31T08:35:59.057Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,82489,anon3353600255,anon1650793189,"Hello anon1650793189ek, I am not sure if this is an answer to the problem that you reported, but if I scroll down to the localised tags section, (at least some of my codes) show their Czech version. However, it is true that some of the latest codes lost their Czech translation. I cannot dismiss human error from my part to be on fault, but with some of them I am 100% sure I did code them bilingually:-/"
117,82553,2020-08-31T13:28:47.698Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,82501,anon1650793189,anon3353600255,"@anon3353600255 
Thank you for your input.
@anon2631063041
Can you confirm?"
118,82556,2020-08-31T15:46:52.813Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Hey Everybody. I am terribly sorry - I said Wednesday was OK for me; it is not. I teach my first class at 9:50 am my time to 12:50. I meant Thursday (it is the third day of the month and I apparently thought about ... the third day of the week. I suppose it is best if you go ahead and anon1650793189ek will represent the ""Polish"" side. All best, J"
119,82557,2020-08-31T16:05:14.626Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,82556,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"@anon1650793189 can you do Thurs? At the moment it's just us, so no reason to leave you out if we can move it."
120,82558,2020-08-31T16:20:34.829Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"anon1650793189ek and I are just talking (though he just had to take a break), so we will figure it out shortly and let you know. Thanks @anon2979239943 for your understanding and flexibility!"
121,82560,2020-08-31T16:32:48.252Z,13988,2,9,8,1,0,0,31.8,82558,anon1650793189,anon4110936133,"Yeah, Thursday is ok, too. I have a parent-teacher conference at 17 my time, 16 yours and 10 at anon4110936133's place. 
I probably won't be needed that much, so we can talk, but in case I am (unlikely), be warned as I may leave you for a couple of minutes. Is that ok?"
122,82562,2020-08-31T16:46:52.130Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,82560,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"Yes, no worries!"
123,82653,2020-09-02T11:28:23.301Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,82553,anon2631063041,anon1650793189,"Hello @anon1650793189, I can confirm, that most of my codes that were 100% with Czech translation are now missing it. There are some, that have Czech and English names. I have looked for a pattern which codes still have Czech name and which don't, and I am not sure. It seems, that if the code was used in Czech by both me and Jirka, it has Czech name. The others don't. (Including in-vivo codes. Which is really weird.) 
This ""anglification"" includes codes used in other non-English language. For example the ""mortgage"" is coded both by me and by anon1650793189ek and it does not have Czech nor Polish translation.

PS: In my backend all the codes are displayed in English, despite the fact, that my language in settings is ""Czech""."
124,82654,2020-09-02T11:31:14.798Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,82560,anon2631063041,anon1650793189,"Hello @anon2979239943  and others,

I count with online meeting on Thursday 15:00 to 16:30 our time (14:00-15:30 BST).

Regards, Zdenek

PS: Sorry for not replying. I was on a vacation last two weeks (and had tonsillitis at the same time), therefore I have not done much."
125,82656,2020-09-02T11:53:32.323Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,82654,anon1650793189,anon2631063041,"Thank you @anon2631063041. I will edit my github entry (which I invite to have a look at since there seems to be more to this thing than just missing translations) and proceed to manually add translations where necessary. Nadia asked @anon2979239943 to prepare a visualisation for the upcoming event for the Polish and Czech communities, so I think putting them back where they belong may be useful."
126,82713,2020-09-03T13:00:37.549Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,@anon2979239943 Where are we meeting?
127,82714,2020-09-03T13:00:46.278Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,82713,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,[https://zoom.us/j/4149496930](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F4149496930&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf87e7e8689304e3619b908d7c82e2bb5%7C1faf88fea9984c5b93c9210a11d9a5c2%7C0%7C0%7C637197972933729447&sdata=Iqq4nYS9XWJ%2BkgdW8mdyUpaofYbYQYHHmwrd6KOCi3o%3D&reserved=0)
128,82721,2020-09-03T14:30:28.542Z,13988,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,82714,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"new link

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85973034188?pwd=OUppb2N0UjZLOWxRR2dWc1dqa1NFQT09"
129,82728,2020-09-03T16:30:29.361Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,82721,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Great meeting today everyone. 

We'll meet again next week on Friday 3PM CET, 9am @anon4110936133's time. 

In the meantime, everyone has their assigned categories to resolve on the shared categories document. Please also respond to comments made on the document by others working on their categories. Thanks!"
130,83027,2020-09-09T20:47:00.049Z,13988,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,82728,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"Hi, @anon2979239943.
anon4110936133 and I were going through our categories and we realised that quite a few of your codes (in black in our shared catagories notebook) appear in the backend as created by webmaster and having 0 annotations. I have the same problem, actually. 
Have you noticed anything of the sort on your side?"
131,83088,2020-09-11T13:02:24.947Z,13988,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,@anon2979239943 Where are we?
132,83089,2020-09-11T13:04:19.545Z,13988,2,11,10,2,0,0,22.2,83088,anon2631063041,anon4110936133,"Hello @anon4110936133, @anon2979239943, @anon1650793189, @anon3353600255 and @anon3379710332(?) we can use my zoom:

Zdeněk Sloboda's Personal Meeting Room: 
https://cesnet.zoom.us/j/4571231537?pwd=WjdIRm1GY1FpMG5qUWU3NlNpOGYyQT09"
133,83090,2020-09-11T13:19:55.837Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,83089,anon3379710332,anon2631063041,"I won't be able to join you today, I'm afraid. But have fun! Rx"
134,83091,2020-09-11T13:23:29.468Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,83089,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"Hi everyone! As I said in the call last week, I’m in Greece on holiday this week so unlikely to make it. If you are still on in 30 I may be able to join, but otherwise please proceed without me and implement any merges you do not feel strongly that you need my input on. Otherwise I will review your notes after I return and reply!"
135,83096,2020-09-11T14:49:10.149Z,13988,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,83091,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"We have finished the call around 16:15 CET (15:15 BST) and we have discussed a bit more structural approach to the codes, as some of them are hard to merge and we are sometimes confused how much deatiled coding do we need, esp. regarding our research aim (topic). anon4110936133 will post what we have come up with. And let's discuss it at our next meeting. (Until then, we are going to merge codes, that are obvious and easy to merge.)"
136,83099,2020-09-11T15:09:35.578Z,13988,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,@anon2979239943 NO worries. Have fun! We had a great meeting - came up with an idea of a really good conceptual/categorical system. I am going to write it up ASAP and will post it here.
137,83120,2020-09-12T16:44:49.432Z,13988,2,11,10,1,0,0,32.2,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Coding meeting
September 11, 2020
Present: anon1650793189ek, Zdenek, anon4110936133

For: @anon2979239943 @anon3379710332 @anon1650793189 @anon2631063041 @anon3353600255
@anon2867672406 (please have a look and share your thoughts) 
     
We managed to have a very productive discussion on the structure of categories and came up with what we believe are breakthrough ideas about developing a hierarchical structure of categories that will be most suitable for the project. Once we have it approved by the rest of the team, there will be some recoding to be done.

Here are the main ideas.

1.	We need to reduce the number of general categories and make sure that they help us address the central concern of POPREBEL: what are the cultural/cognitive maps people carry in their heads that are providing a “background” for their choices, also political? Such maps (a component of “collective intelligence”) can be reconstructed – we are assuming – via a disciplined analysis of the conversations recorded on the platform.
2.	The hierarchy will have three levels (see examples below)
3.	We propose that we create the following system of categories, some of which will become parental codes, but all will belong to the highest level of our three-level hierarchy:

3.1.	Type of action or inaction (Examples from “old” typology: engagement tactics
3.2.	Actor (types)
3.3.	Issue (Example: “education” [level 2] --> “right to education” [level 3]
3.4.	Ideology
3.5.	Emotions
3.6.	Value(s)
3.7.	Places/locations/scale
3.8.	Institutions
3.9.	Time:
3.9.1.	History/past
3.9.2.	Diagnosis of the present
3.9.3.	Prognosis
4.	What emerges is the project’s “grammar.” For example, we can construct the following sentence: John, who is a teacher [actor type] writes about a lack of clean water in his appartment complex [situation] and decided to form a group [type of action] and follow his belief in the need to help people [ideology], particularly in his town [place/location]. He is intimates that he is very angry [emotion] and compares the present crisis to a much better situation before the fall of communism [history].
5.	Question: Is it possible to see a map of “mothers” only? For example, we will code Hannah’s statement (she is a teacher): “I am angry that many people around here have no access to good education,” as “anger” <----> “right to education” – both codes at Level 3, but would like to see also “emotion” <---->“issue” at Level 1, so we can see how many issues are approached in an emotional manner."
138,83148,2020-09-14T14:28:02.390Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,82653,anon2631063041,anon2631063041,"@anon1650793189, @anon4110936133, @anon3353600255 & @anon2979239943 ... Czech and Polish translations of code-names have been indeed deleted and Daniel have restored them (402 in total - Czech: 286, Polish: 93, Serbian: 14, German: 9) now."
139,83153,2020-09-14T15:47:18.743Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,83148,anon1650793189,anon2631063041,Great news!
140,83186,2020-09-15T09:18:50.954Z,13988,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,83153,anon3353600255,anon1650793189,Cool!
141,83439,2020-09-21T10:35:42.444Z,13988,2,11,10,1,1,0,17.2,83120,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"Hi everyone! I'm back from holiday. 

This sounds very good as a plan, as long as we keep our terminology consistent. We need to be very clear about the distinction between categories and hierarchies in our vocabulary. Categories are the organising principles that we use to structure our codes. So these are categories: 

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:137, topic:13988""]
3.1. Type of action or inaction (Examples from “old” typology: engagement tactics
3.2. Actor (types)
3.3. Issue (Example: “education” [level 2] --> “right to education” [level 3]
3.4. Ideology
3.5. Emotions
3.6. Value(s)
3.7. Places/locations/scale
3.8. Institutions
3.9. Time:
3.9.1. History/past
3.9.2. Diagnosis of the present
3.9.3. Prognosis
[/quote]

And these look great as categories! We should not, however, call them hierarchies, because that will confuse us with the backend hierarchies, which are ontologically much stricter. So it's a three level **categorisation** structure. 

As you say, some of these categories will become parent-child codes in the hierarchy in the backend (Level 3 and Level 2, in your parlance, as ""right to education"" is definitely a strict ontological child of ""education""). Some will not. 

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:137, topic:13988""]
4. What emerges is the project’s “grammar.” For example, we can construct the following sentence: John, who is a teacher [actor type] writes about a lack of clean water in his appartment complex [situation] and decided to form a group [type of action] and follow his belief in the need to help people [ideology], particularly in his town [place/location]. He is intimates that he is very angry [emotion] and compares the present crisis to a much better situation before the fall of communism [history].
[/quote]

This is a good way to approach coding in general. We make sure that we are roughly assigning codes that belong to each category so we are telling explanatory stories. @anon

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:137, topic:13988""]
“emotion” <---->“issue” at Level 1, so we can see how many issues are approached in an emotional manner.
[/quote]

These ""Level 1"" categories will not be codes that we assign to text, because they don't have much meaning as codes by themselves -- they are too vague (and we would much rather just group existing codes underneath them, as in a category, to save a lot of time while coding). We need to think about how we want to do this. In the Babel project we have such categories. @anon1700133569, we could make them ""non-SSNA"" codes like in Babel, potentially, and/or assign each a colour to visually designate them in the graph... I'll think about it and perhaps we can have a call to discuss, @anon4110936133, with @anon1700133569 if he has time, to think about the best approach. 

Once we figure that top-level category designation out, I think all of this is perfect (and in the interim, we can still continue coding by assigning the ""level 2"" and ""level 3"" codes). We code trying to make sure we create codes from many of these categories, to try to construct sentences like the one you gave as an example."
142,83459,2020-09-21T13:10:53.347Z,13988,1,9,8,1,1,0,26.8,83439,anon1700133569,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:141, topic:13988""]
@anon1700133569, we could make them “non-SSNA” codes like in Babel, potentially, and/or assign each a colour to visually designate them in the graph… I’ll think about it and perhaps we can have a call to discuss, @anon4110936133, with @anon1700133569 if he has time, to think about the best approach.
[/quote]

Yes, this is possible, it just requires a little tweaking of the code in the Graphryder dashboard. This is possible if we have a separate version deployed for Poprebel. I can help make the tweaks. @anon2867672406 should probably sign off on it though, as we need to be clear about exactly what we're doing when writing the reports later. [This is an example of the multi-colored graph from Babel.](https://graph.bbu.world/#!/dashboard/tagCharacterViewFull)"
143,83513,2020-09-22T08:30:28.732Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,83459,anon2979239943,anon1700133569,"It's something that would be helpful in NGI, too. It would first be useful to have a way to represent the top level categories in the backend (to help organise codes so ethnographers can find them -- what we use AirTable for in BBU). For all projects it would be better to have this work on-platform. 

Second, it would be useful to have this on GraphRyder, but I think this is less crucial at first thought --- since we often colourise Graph Ryder later, based upon the co-occurrences, to identify what the informants have categorised together. I don't see a huge benefit to pre-assigning those super high level categories except as a tool for finding codes, but it could be interesting visually to have a toggle-able colour code separation."
144,83525,2020-09-22T11:16:07.730Z,13988,0,9,8,1,1,0,6.8,83120,anon2867672406,anon4110936133,"[quote=""anon4110936133, post:137, topic:13988""]
@anon2867672406 (please have a look and share your thoughts)
[/quote]

@anon4110936133 and @anon2979239943 and all, I am on holiday, but this thread is too interesting. 

I have two things to contribute.

### 1. Reducing the graph

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:137, topic:13988""]
We need to reduce the number of general categories and make sure that they help us address the central concern of POPREBEL: what are the cultural/cognitive maps people carry in their heads that are providing a “background” for their choices, also political?
[/quote]

As I see it, SSNA – a qual-quant method – comes with native support for some reduction techniques, which are ""a natural"" because they are technically easy and theoretically grounded. 

I refer, of course, to graph reduction based on network structure. The idea is:

1. build the codes co-occurrence graph.
2. apply reduction methods from graph theory.

The current iteration of Graphryder only supports the easiest and most intuitive of these methods: a frequency count. It amounts to filtering a graph by the value of a parameter *k*, the number of times two codes co-occur. It works very well, because empirically you can reduce the number of codes by ~ 90% by increasing the value of *k* from 1 to 2. However, I can manually reduce the graph in other ways (see below).

The theoretical grounding rests on an argument made on two parts.

1. The (full) codes co-occurrence graph is an artifact of collective intelligence: it encodes the voice of the community. 
2. Reducing it is sometimes a necessary evil, to overcome limits in human cognition. When reducing, however, we should apply a method that filters in the most ""important"" *edges* (not so much the most important nodes, since we optimized SSNA on finding connections). Since we are dealing with graph math, ""important"" normally refers to how much an edge contributes to defining the overall structure of the graph. There are more sophisticated ways to determine ""importance"" than frequency counts, for example Simmelian backbone or normalized degree; I am not sure their result is worth the extra effort, but maybe I could attempt a small mathematical paper looking for some sort of equivalence. That would be nice, because it would say that, no matter what reduction technique you use, the same codes and their connecting edges always get filtered in.

It the problem is ""too many codes"", I see no need to create an alternative layer of codes. I would be rather more interested in reducing the number of codes algorithmically (""keep the most important *dyads* of codes""), and then allocating my capacity to interpreting the reduced graph. This has also the advantage that it is fine-tunable: you can always reduce the graph further by increasing the value of the parameter *k*. 

### 2. Argument mapping

[quote=""anon4110936133, post:137, topic:13988""]
What emerges is the project’s “grammar.” For example, we can construct the following sentence: John, who is a teacher [actor type] writes about a lack of clean water in his appartment complex [situation] and decided to form a group [type of action] and follow his belief in the need to help people [ideology], particularly in his town [place/location].
[/quote]

Are you familiar with the literature on argument mapping? This is an idea that emerged in computer science after 2000. Basically, a statement would be classified according to its role in the argument. For example, if Alice says ""the use of face masks helps prevent the spread of viruses"", she is making a *claim*. If Bob adds ""indeed, more widespread mask use happens in countries less affected by the virus"", he is adding a piece of *evidence in favour* of Alice's claim. Carol could then add ""this is only true of non-airborne viruses"", she is adding a *limitation* to the claim. And so on. This is attractive to CS folks, because of course you can connect statements in a large debate in a graph (again), and then manipulate the graph. 

I am under the impression that argument mapping went nowhere and was abandoned, but I might be wrong. I do know researchers that used to be very into it and could involve them, if you are interested."
145,83559,2020-09-22T18:00:18.649Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,Many thanks @anon2867672406. I am going to dig into all of this as soon as I can. As you know we have - AGAIN - a reporting and meetings season. I just finished the second overlaps report yesterday and we have our SB meeting on Friday. Most likely I will get to this on the weekend. It looks super interesting. Ciao.
146,83743,2020-09-25T10:06:03.455Z,13988,3,8,7,0,0,0,16.6,83559,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"Hi team,

In order to make sure our codes stay tidy going forward (and we don't have to do another epic week of 2-3 hour meetings) I am putting into place a bi-weekly coding meeting for POPREBEL. As long as there is at least one representative from each coding team per meeting, we are good. 

The meeting structure will be straightforward -- we will go through all the newly assigned codes since the last meeting (as in, all codes that have been newly created, not ones that have been reused) and make sure they aren't duplicates of those which came before, as well as making sure we all know how to use them. 

This will technically involve us all opening the ethno-poprebel codes page and sorting by ""newest"". The meetings will be an hour, less if we make it through all the codes. We will also of course open the floor to other questions, comments, and discussions. 

Let's set a recurring day and time for this. We know from experience that 2pm UK to 3PM UK generally works for everyone. I propose Thursdays but am flexible. @anon4110936133 @anon3379710332 @anon1650793189 @anon2631063041 @anon3353600255 please let us know what works for you, and we'll get it set in the calendar as an ongoing event. Thank you!"
147,83749,2020-09-25T10:25:23.027Z,13988,0,8,7,0,0,0,1.6,83743,anon3379710332,anon2979239943,"Once the teaching term begins, my Wednesdays and Thursdays will be busy. The other days should be fine."
148,83838,2020-09-27T20:05:42.417Z,13988,1,8,7,0,0,0,6.6,83743,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"Hello everyone.

I prefer Fridays or Wednesdays (Thursdays, I will be walking/travelling with my daughter from her school to her athletics training 15:00-15:30. Once she will be there, I will be available for our call, for one hour, 15:30-16:30.)

Thank you for considering. Best, Zdeněk"
149,83840,2020-09-27T22:08:35.853Z,13988,0,8,7,0,0,0,1.6,83838,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"@anon4110936133 , @anon1650793189 @anon3353600255 can you do Wednesday for the biweekly meeting?

If not, how about Friday?"
150,83841,2020-09-28T00:01:33.537Z,13988,1,8,7,0,0,0,6.6,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Friday - much better. I teach on Wednesdays I teach: 9:30-1:00 pm. So I could do this after 1:00, but that is already 7:00 pm in Poland and Czechia."
151,83853,2020-09-28T09:03:36.730Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,83841,anon3353600255,anon4110936133,"The same with anon4110936133, once the semester begins I will be having a biweekly blast of teaching from 11 till 19:00 on Wednesdays with sime breaks in-between, so Friday seems like the best solution for me"
152,83858,2020-09-28T09:29:40.828Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,79675,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"[date=2020-10-09 time=14:00:00 timezone=""Europe/London"" timezones=""Europe/Brussels|US/Eastern""] → [date=2020-10-09 time=15:00:00 timezone=""Europe/London"" timezones=""Europe/Brussels|US/Eastern""]

OK, thanks all-- please set in your calendars that we will have a biweekly call from 2-3 UK, 3-4 Europe on Fridays, starting October the 9th. 

We will not be shifting or moving around these calls from week to week --- too much time has already been spent on scheduling --- so make every effort you can to make it, please. 

At the beginning of the call, please also be prepared to give a short update on the content activity on your part of the platform: what people are talking about, what you're finding interesting, etc. Then we'll dive into the code review. 

Thank you!"
153,84041,2020-09-30T20:05:18.175Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Excellent. In my calendar. @anon1650793189 and I just finished our next session and will meet again tomorrow. We are now well into the Socio-economic category and have collected by now a number of proposals to discuss, in addition to executing a quite a few more obvious mergers. All best, J"
154,84080,2020-10-01T10:55:26.247Z,13988,2,7,6,1,1,0,16.4,83439,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:141, topic:13988""]
These “Level 1” categories will not be codes that we assign to text, because they don’t have much meaning as codes by themselves – they are too vague (and we would much rather just group existing codes underneath them, as in a category, to save a lot of time while coding). We need to think about how we want to do this.
[/quote]

Just a note for our Friday meeting, not to forget it:
1) Shouldn't we rearrange our shared categories in the spreadsheet according to what anon4110936133 outlined (to our new analytical categories)?
2) We would have to add new codes (as e.g. anon4110936133's point 3.9.x shows) we have not used yet (and recode our texts after that) in order to catch for example the extent or level of activity (category 3.1)"
155,84083,2020-10-01T11:09:39.779Z,13988,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,84080,anon2631063041,anon2631063041,"@anon2979239943 : We had just call with @anon3353600255 and till the next meeting on Friday we will work on: 
(A) cleaning and merging of codes in ""our"" (old) categories (Education, Institutions, Housing, Health, Environment) - if it still makes sense since we are going to have a new system of analytical categories (see anon4110936133's post from Sept. 12). (If needed [and still relevant], I can merge Labour or Arts&Media during the next week. I could find some time for that.) 
(B) creating and uploading Czech codenames (in the back-end) to as many codes as possible.

Is that OK so?"
156,84085,2020-10-01T11:12:45.249Z,13988,1,7,6,1,1,0,26.4,84080,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"[quote=""anon2631063041, post:154, topic:13988""]
* Shouldn’t we rearrange our shared categories in the spreadsheet according to what anon4110936133 outlined (to our new analytical categories)?
* We would have to add new codes (as e.g. anon4110936133’s point 3.9.x shows) we have not used yet (and recode our texts after that) in order to catch for example the extent or level of activity (category 3.1)
[/quote]

We are going to kill the use of the spreadsheet from here on out, as this was just to do this big push of organisation and merging. Now that all the codes and definitions are in the backend, there's no reason to use Google Sheets --- it's a lot of duplication work since we'd have to manually add all new codes into it. We'll instead do much more regular code review and use hierarchies in the backend. How to represent the top-level categories that won't be part of formal hierarchies is a question we'll need to answer, and we'll discuss it on Friday."
157,84086,2020-10-01T11:25:25.685Z,13988,1,7,6,1,1,0,11.4,84085,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:156, topic:13988""]
use hierarchies in the backend
[/quote]

Can one child code have more parents? @anon3353600255 wasn't sure, if by making a hierarchy he would perhaps break some already existing hierarchy. I was not sure.

Should we do simple hierarchies like: ""sexuality"" as parent, and ""LGBT"", ""pedophilia"", ""pornography"", etc. as children. And e.g. ""LGBT activism"" as child of ""LGBT""? (Or a child of ""activism""? - At best of both, right?!)"
158,84091,2020-10-01T12:38:40.310Z,13988,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,84086,anon2979239943,anon2631063041,"Please refer back to the hierarchies portion of the Open Ethnographer manual (and my prior posts on the subject, including notes from calls where we all discussed this). If you and @anon3353600255 need further clarification after that, we can talk about it in the call again."
159,84238,2020-10-02T15:54:49.249Z,13988,2,8,7,1,0,0,16.6,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"@anon2979239943 Hope you had a great vacation. @anon1650793189 and I are working on hierarchies. We understand that we should move our work from the spreadsheet to the backend, but we need a bit more time to finish our review (it is easier to review in the spreadsheet). Second, we have questions concerning several ""mergers"" and I suppose we should discuss them before we ""lock"" them in the backend. THIRD: we would love to have access to poprebel graphryder, so we can experiment with it in order to get a better/deeper ""feel"" for categories and hierarchies. We cannot find a link to it. Could you please provide it? All best, J"
160,84243,2020-10-02T18:19:51.373Z,13988,2,9,8,1,0,0,46.8,84238,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"https://graphryder3.edgeryders.eu/#!/dashboard/tagView

Remember, it does not update in real time. @anon1700133569 any chance we can do what you did for NGI, so the sliders and comment/posts appear? I know we need to have a bigger conversation about this."
161,84244,2020-10-02T18:22:07.328Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,84238,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"I support staying in the spreadsheet until our meeting as it seems there is still some work to do on learning the category hierarchy distinction and the nature of hierarchies. Better to be sure across everyone in the project, otherwise we create a lot more work in undoing things."
162,84245,2020-10-02T18:33:37.970Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,@anon2867672406 @anon1700133569 @anon2979239943 @anon
163,84246,2020-10-02T18:34:09.752Z,13988,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,84243,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,What is the lag in update?
164,84247,2020-10-02T18:38:54.680Z,13988,1,9,8,1,1,0,11.8,84243,anon1700133569,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:160, topic:13988""]
Remember, it does not update in real time. @anon1700133569 any chance we can do what you did for NGI, so the sliders and comment/posts appear? I know we need to have a bigger conversation about this.
[/quote]

That would be up to @anon2661411812. I could set the API and dashboard up on another server, but that would mean some extra monthly costs. My estimate is about 50 USD per month in server costs to host both NGI and POPREBEL. If given the green light, I could set it up.

Writing this, I actually realize now that I've never invoiced for the server that's been hosting the OpenVillage data, and it's just been sitting there. That's the server that I've now co-opted to host the NGI API and dashboard. It's not much, but I should probably invoice ER Core for that soon..."
165,84263,2020-10-03T11:07:06.479Z,13988,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,84247,anon2661411812,anon1700133569,"I am very annoyed by this piece of … software that came without instructions and still has eluded me as to installing it on our main server so that everything works. It's probably just an incompatible version of some other piece of software and I could figure it out in 1-2 days of debugging but honestly don't think this would be a good investment of time because we want to replace this implementation of Graphryder anyway.

So: Hugi, you're welcome to install the other two dashboards on the type of server where you got it working.

But I don't think we have to spend 50 USD extra, as you could try first to install the Neo4J databases (and then also the Graphryder API and dashboard) on the same server. I was happy with [ineo](https://github.com/cohesivestack/ineo) for this purpose, allowing to install many Neo4J databases on one host. On the edgeryders.eu host, the commands I used to create two Neo4J databases were as follows:

```
ineo create -v 3.1.9 -p 7474 -b 7687 ngi_forward
ineo create -v 3.1.9 -p 7480 -b 7482 poprebel
```

If you get stuck, you can give me access to that server and I'll try to set it up with everything on one host. Should work, as I did that part before."
166,84277,2020-10-03T13:18:43.843Z,13988,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,84263,anon1700133569,anon2661411812,"There are two main problems:

1) JavaScript compilation issues that make certain graphical elements like sliders glitch
2) Problems loading the post and topic data from Neo4j to display on the dashboard 


I’m just worried that running Neo4j with ineo is what’s blocking the dashboard from accessing the post data from Neo4j. Or do you have some idea of why we might be having problem 2? I’m a bit stumped if it’s not related to that.

Of course, the right way to find out is to try. I’ll give it a shot."
167,84278,2020-10-03T13:23:40.614Z,13988,1,9,8,1,1,0,11.8,84277,anon2661411812,anon1700133569,"[quote=""anon1700133569, post:166, topic:13988""]I’m just worried that running Neo4j with ineo is what’s blocking the dashboard from accessing the post data from Neo4j.[/quote]

Very improbable, as `ineo` is just a tool to automate the installation of another instance of Neo4J, with its own process and its own set of ports to access it.

My guess is rather an incompatibility in the library for Python to access Neo4J. It did not work at all the way described in your installation instructions. So I went to a newer version, adapted things to use the BOLT protocol for communicating to Neo4J and got it to work … but possibly not completely.

[quote=""anon1700133569, post:166, topic:13988""]JavaScript compilation issues that make certain graphical elements like sliders glitch[/quote]

I don't remember any JS compilation steps in your installation instructions. In case you forgot these, please add them in."
168,84290,2020-10-04T07:56:26.173Z,13988,0,9,8,1,1,0,6.8,84278,anon1700133569,anon2661411812,"[quote=""anon2661411812, post:167, topic:13988""]
I don’t remember any JS compilation steps in your installation instructions.
[/quote]

It’s in the dashboard instructions, it’s the “npm run build” part that creates the dist folder. In the dashboard instructions that happens with a docker."
169,84295,2020-10-04T13:21:53.771Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,84246,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,It must be updated manually (you reload the data and the graph).
170,84353,2020-10-05T13:13:49.956Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,84245,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"I'm glad! Another model, from our other project NGI, shows what the map could look like if we were more on the same page with our coding ontology: 

http://graphryder2.edgeryders.eu/#!/dashboard/tagViewFull

I recommend filtering to k=4 for best results! 

Obviously POPREBEL will naturally look different, since the conversations are happening in different languages so won't be as connected. But looking at the types of codes we use in NGI might help us refine our codes in POPREBEL so they carry more meaning at the graph-level. I can walk you through it during our meeting as an example :)"
171,84557,2020-10-07T16:04:25.879Z,13988,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,83743,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"In our meeting on Friday, we will also set a deadline for a writeup of preliminary ethnographic results, so the community managers and engagement team have something to work with as they go forward with their engagement and event planning. 

For a model, check out the latest NGI one: https://edgeryders.eu/t/ngi-ethnography-preliminary-findings-october-2020/14542

or my first POPREBEL one: https://edgeryders.eu/t/preliminary-ethnographic-thoughts-on-poprebel-international-english-language/11518 

Ideally, it should contain screenshots from the SSNA. Quotes from informants are also great. 

We are long, long overdue for a writeup, so please make this a priority. The other teams really need it!

@anon4110936133 @anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon1650793189"
172,84575,2020-10-07T20:39:35.220Z,13988,3,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,84557,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"Hello, everybody!
@anon2979239943 @anon4110936133 @anon2631063041 @anon3353600255 @anon2661411812 @anon1700133569  
I and anon4110936133 just finished coding all the posts on the Polish forum, new ones aren't really appearing yet, so we can focus on cleaning our codes and creating hierarchies now.
I wanted to write about a few things before our meeting.
I'm not sure if I will be able to join you this Friday, at least for the entire meeting. I'll try, but it turned out that I need to pick up my son from the school on that day (if I make it since the daily number of new confirmed Covid cases passed 3000 today in Poland 
![giphy|517x690](upload://uIrKTZsOLbmB49g8kH3bKs1zUhr.gif) 

Either waaay, I and anon4110936133 were looking at the POPREBEL GraphRyder and it seems to have certain issues (maybe it's just not fully functional yet, besides you mentioned that it's going to change and/or be moved). For now, however:
no 1 
![GR1|690x387](upload://qBmn24R2MmxuwhrFdvBD5zv9ujc.png) 
issue no 2
![GR2|690x387](upload://wXO2PCWRH3mvXIIBg0hMcS5ixam.png) 
issue no 3
The sliders seem to work better in other projects. And, maybe it's working the way it's supposed to work, but the Co-occurence intenisty slider seems to have like three intensity settings, it doesn't seem to be analog/continuous or very sensitive - when I start moving it nothing happens and then, quite suddenly, I'm left with just a few nodes. It's quite all-some-nothing to me.

There are also a few questions that we have regarding how Graphryder works.

1. What's the relationship between the hierarchies existing in the backend and the graphs displayed by Graphryder? Is there any relationship or does it just display co-occurences? E.g. will it show higher-order, ""mother"" codes only as long as they have annotations (no null codes) and co-occur with other codes?
2. How likely is it that colours and/or non-SSNA will be adopted for POPREBEL? Doing that would make implementing anon4110936133's grammar/meta-language much easier I think.
3. When is the POPREBEL Graphryder updated? Do you guys do it manually? Does it happen regularly? Is it a lot of work? Will it ever show things in real time?
4. Can I, without much knowledge about programming, make it show me just the codes used in the Polish community? What about the codes created/used by a certain annotator? Is there an option of making it display interactions between certain users of the forum? In a certain language (show codes with translations in a given language only)?
5. Can I query the Graphryder to show me more than two codes co-occuring? Say I want to see how often ""Catholic Church"", ""politicians"" and ""conservatism"" co-occur. 

Moreover, I also wanted to confirm that we are going to be able to create multiple mother codes at certain point. We are, right?

And, @anon2661411812, when I want to add or just check if I've added translations to the all the codes I used (not just created), is there a better and faster way to do it than just methodically wading through my Annotations? There are 45 pages of my Annotations with the codes being reused and checking them all can take me ages. 


See you guys on Friday (hopefully)!"
173,84578,2020-10-07T20:58:19.757Z,13988,1,11,10,1,1,0,27.2,84575,anon1700133569,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
no 1 ... issue no 2 ... issue no 3
[/quote]

These issues will indeed all be fixed, I just got the word about it recently and the green light from @anon2661411812. I will get around to it soon. Just a slight ping to @anon2867672406, since I am technically just working for NGI and not POPREBEL but I think we can just figure that out internally. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
What’s the relationship between the hierarchies existing in the backend and the graphs displayed by Graphryder?
[/quote]

No relationship. At least not in this version. Currently, hierarchies are not directly displayed in the graph at all, so it has no influence on the graph if, for example, 'motherhood' is a child of 'family' - both are only counted when directly applied. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
How likely is it that colours and/or non-SSNA will be adopted for POPREBEL?
[/quote]

This is up to @anon2867672406 to decide. It is technically possible and has been done in another project, but I'm not sure how wise it is to employ it here. It does add some messiness to the methodology.


[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
When is the POPREBEL Graphryder updated? Do you guys do it manually? Does it happen regularly? Is it a lot of work? Will it ever show things in real time?
[/quote]

Graphryders is updated manually, and while it takes about an hour to run the update, the update itself is not a lot of work once it has been triggered. It will not show things in real time in the foreseeable future.

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
Can I query the Graphryder to show me more than two codes co-occuring? Say I want to see how often “Catholic Church”, “politicians” and “conservatism” co-occur.
[/quote]

Not in its current form. It could be achieved with scripts."
174,84579,2020-10-07T22:58:19.987Z,13988,0,11,10,1,2,0,37.2,84578,anon2867672406,anon1700133569,"[quote=""anon1700133569, post:173, topic:13988""]
This is up to @anon2867672406 to decide.
[/quote]

I think this kind of call needs @anon2979239943 too. 

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
but the Co-occurence intenisty slider seems to have like three intensity settings, it doesn’t seem to be analog/continuous or very sensitive
[/quote]

It's not the project, I tthink it's the data. I believe Jason linearized the scale of the slider. In other words, if the lowest co-occurrence k is 2 and the highest is 15, it would divide the horizontal length of the slider into `15-2 = 3` parts. Then the slider, going left to right, would hide weaker connections linearly. This is all good, except suppose 50% of the edges have `k=2`, 49% `k=14` and 1% `k=15`. Then your first move to the right would hide the 50%. Then, as you slide further tight, nothing happens until the very end, when suddenly the other 49% disappear. 

A better system is to program the slider so that it orders the unique values of k. In the example above, the length of the slider would only be divided into two. All left you see everything: at 50& of the way you see `k= {14,15}`, and all the way to the right you see `k=15`. I am sure @anon2661411812 knows already this is good Ux practice.  

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]
Can I query the Graphryder to show me more than two codes co-occuring? Say I want to see how often “Catholic Church”, “politicians” and “conservatism” co-occur.
[/quote]

No, and I do not recommend you do that. It takes you into [hypergraph](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph) territory. Hypergraphs are cool but kind of pointless, you can do with normal edges (connect exactly two nodes) everything you can do with hyperedges (connect n>2 nodes). 

I suggest the following:

1. In the codes co.occurrence graph, locate one of the codes you are interested to, say `catholic church`. Select the neighborhood interactor, then click on that node. This highlights the node itself and all its neighbors.

<image here> 
 

2. Locate the other codes you want. They should be in the neighborhood of the first one. Here we do not have `politicians` and `conservatism`, but we do have `politicisation` and `discrimination`. Note that `politicisation` and `discrimination` are connected to each other, and thus form a triangle with `catholic church`. A triangle is not exactly the same thing as a triple co-occurrence, but it is a powerful topological feature, well studied in network literature. What it tells you is that these three codes form a cohesive group: removing any single connection does not break it down, it simply reconfigures the triangle into a V-shape. You can then click on the eye interactor and (if Graphryder works, which at some point it will) go read the posts on each of the three edges of the triangle.

You could also look for larger cohesive structures, of which graph theory knows many (cliques larger than 3 nodes, k-cores etc., modularity-maximizing partition classes etc), and knows how to interpret them, has created the open source software libraries to find them etc. Hypergraph math is much less developed, it's a cool generalization but, to my knowledge, no one has yet come up with a concrete issue that can not be attacked without hypergraphs."
175,84638,2020-10-08T17:35:42.245Z,13988,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,84575,anon2661411812,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:172, topic:13988""]And, @anon2661411812, when I want to add or just check if I’ve added translations to … all the codes I used (not just created), is there a better and faster way to do it than just methodically wading through my Annotations? There are 45 pages of my Annotations with the codes being reused and checking them all can take me ages.[/quote]

You can go through the [translate view of the POPREBEL codes](https://edgeryders.eu/annotator/codes?discourse_tag=ethno-poprebel&view=translate). And then translate any code that you remember to have used, or might have used. If you translate some more codes than you used when coding in the POPREBEL project, it does not do damage, right?"
176,84684,2020-10-09T12:18:26.677Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,84638,anon1650793189,anon2661411812,"Yep, thank you!"
177,84685,2020-10-09T13:03:37.049Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,84684,anon2979239943,anon1650793189,"@anon4110936133, @anon1650793189, are either of you joining us today?"
178,84686,2020-10-09T13:04:20.672Z,13988,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,"Sure, but where are you?"
179,84687,2020-10-09T13:04:58.433Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,79675,anon4110936133,anon2979239943,I did not get any notification about the address of the meeting.
180,84688,2020-10-09T13:05:00.878Z,13988,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,84686,anon2979239943,anon4110936133,"It's in the calendar invite -- but here again

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181,84819,2020-10-12T23:20:08.064Z,13988,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,79675,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,"Hello. Here are some of my notes to our existing codes:

* There are some codes and codings from Serbia, they are usually in the form of: ""serbian word / english translation"", are we going to do something with them?

* The use of prefix ""anti"" is not systematial, for example there is a code ""anti-semitism"" and ""antisemitism"".

* There are codes in form: ""(something) in Poland"", or at the Serbian forum ""coping strategies in Croatia"" / ""coping strategies in EU"". Shouldn't this locality come up from the localisation of the forum and therefore does not have to be coded. Shouldn't it be two codes, if the geographic location is important (""coping strategies"" + ""EU""). And, shouldn't we - according to the new analytical categorization - create set of codes, such as: local - regional - national (or state-wide) - European - Global?

* In Czech, it is hard to translate/distinguish ""collaboration"" and ""collaborative working"", as ""collaboration"" is always ""working together"" = ""collaborative working"". + ""cooperation"" and ""collaboration"" are, when translated to Czech, sysnonymous.

* The church categories need to be cleared and merged. There is Amelia's code ""Church"" with he description ""(cristian)"", and there is a code ""Christian Church"".

* I have failed to merge ""ageing"" and ""aging"". Also ""ageing"" has been made a child of ""healthcare area"", which I am not sure, it is. (It is much more than that.) ... Also Amelia uses ""healthcare area"", whereas anon4110936133 uses ""health issues"", but both subordinated the code/topic ""addiction"".

* I am not allowed to merge duplicated ""authoritarianism"", or ""bribery"" with ""corruption"", etc. Should I put this in the github?

* Should codes ""access"" and ""accessibility"" be merged?

And many more. With some of them we will deal on Fridays. I will make notes on further problems."
182,84893,2020-10-13T15:24:26.968Z,13988,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,79675,anon1700133569,anon2979239943,"@anon3353600255 @anon2631063041 @anon4110936133 @anon1650793189 @anon3379710332

We have a new Graphryder dashboard, and most of the bugs and issues are fixed. You can find it now at https://graphryder.edgeryders.eu/poprebel"
183,84907,2020-10-13T17:37:37.371Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,84893,anon4110936133,anon1700133569,Many thanks @anon1700133569. What a great improvement. I will study it carefully over the next 2-3 days.
184,85584,2020-10-22T15:45:36.359Z,13988,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,79675,anon1650793189,anon2979239943,"Hi, @anon1700133569, @anon2979239943, @anon2661411812!
Could I ask you to update the POPREBEL graphryder database, please? 
We're preparing the writeup with @anon4110936133 and it would be great to see the newest changes.
Also, could you please, if it's not a biggie, generate a graph just for the Polish community?
Thanks a lot!"
185,85585,2020-10-22T15:59:34.571Z,13988,1,7,6,1,1,0,11.4,85584,anon1700133569,anon1650793189,"[quote=""anon1650793189, post:184, topic:13988""]
Could I ask you to update the POPREBEL graphryder database, please?
[/quote]

Updating now, should be ready in 10 minutes.

[quote=""anon1650793189, post:184, topic:13988""]
Also, could you please, if it’s not a biggie, generate a graph just for the Polish community?
[/quote]

That's not possible through Graphryder I'm afraid. Those sorts of requests could be accommodated through running some custom scripts alá @anon2867672406 and then generating graphs with Tulip."
186,85586,2020-10-22T15:59:54.900Z,13988,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,85585,anon1650793189,anon1700133569,Thank you so much!
187,85587,2020-10-22T16:09:04.442Z,13988,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,85586,anon1700133569,anon1650793189,"It's done, you should see the new data now."
188,87466,2020-11-23T22:11:19.549Z,13988,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,79675,anon2631063041,anon2979239943,Hello to all non-English coders @anon
2,85655,2020-10-23T10:25:36.372Z,14651,0,25,24,2,0,0,15.0,85631,anon538672178,,"Hi Dragan, thanks for those many compelling questions. And yes, the work is to be done with urban people as well. A lot..."
3,85656,2020-10-23T10:41:41.637Z,14651,0,24,23,1,0,0,24.8,85631,anon2446385507,,"To all the participants at the event on Food localisation from 30th October - what do you say to this? You probably have different visions of the future, and it's OK, but wondering how you experience this issue as project builders, network developers, or as consumers? We're looking to understand personal experiences:

@anon

Also paging @anon278000045!"
4,85673,2020-10-23T12:00:05.752Z,14651,0,25,24,3,0,0,95.0,85631,anon2661411812,,"I appreciate this analysis of the situation in Serbia – with many small-scale farmers still at work, it's certainly not as bleak as elsewhere in Europe.

As for what can be done to make small-scale farming an attractive profession and to achieve food sovereignty in Serbia, I have a different take. It starts from not counting on any government support, because government is usually captive to the influence of the lobbyists with the piles of cash. And, I also think it's useless to appeal to the conscience or foresight of consumers: often, they go for the cheapest food, produced by Big Ag companies, because they don't have money for more. Neoliberal markets are pushing consumers hard everywhere, and foresight for them would rather mean to save up for a rainy day than to support a local food system with uncertain outcomes.

Instead, what I propose is a solution that, from the start, benefits everyone and achieves a localized food sovereignty. I assume many farmers on small farms in Serbia are already part-time farmers as they have to supplement their income from other sources. In such a situation, one could try to persuade a group of ~20 such farmers to become a food-sovereign unit. Each of them would specialize somewhat, which makes production more time-efficient compared to a case where everyone grows everything they need for themselves. And then they use a system of circular bartering to help each other out. Later, handicrafts people etc. can also join such a system, forming a local economy that is sheltered from any competition with Big Ag.

I have written about the economic properties of such a circular barter system at length (you can [search for ""PayCoupons""](https://edgeryders.eu/search?q=PayCoupons) here on the platform, which is the name of the prototype circular barter system we created). It's basically a deadlock resolver: people who were outcompeted by big ag companies and sitting at home idle can just as well re-start their small-scale farming and trade with others who were outcompeted in the same way. Compared to not being able to supply for oneself in a big ag dominated economy, a ""less efficient"" local economy of small farms is certainly preferable, as everyone will be able to make their own living."
5,85696,2020-10-23T13:58:47.903Z,14651,2,25,24,2,0,0,85.0,85631,anon3346229079,,"Both of you make good points:
@anon

I ate wild berries whole summer here in Belgium. As some of the walking paths are very frequented, I couldn't understand why others weren't doing the same. Especially kids, they would stop by and look at me, wondering what am I doing maybe? Reminded me of an incredulous face a friend made when I told him he doesn't know what a tomato or an egg really tastes like.
Well last year I took 2 of them, Brussels city kids, to a small village in Croatia. I think they ate 2kgs of tomatoes just for breakfast :rofl: :joy: :sweat_smile:.
People are disconnected from the whole process, I wouldn't be surprised to hear children claiming berries grow in the supermarkets soon...so we do need to show them the value of proper nutrition.
Too bad it's not done by those in charge of our health but, it's not profitable enough.

About subsidies, the solution might be somewhere in between. I agree with @anon2661411812 , I don't believe in gifts as a sustainable solution for anything BUT, I spent quite some time working in rural development/EU funds ecosystem. There are real benefits for small farmers when they can buy machines and build structures, or plant trees which will last decades and bring steady revenue. So I totally support this kind of grants. I am well aware they are often not efficient or even written badly when influenced by bigger entities. That, depends of us, though, so system in place isn't that bad but we humans certainly like corrupting things.
So, for me long term solutions are definitely somewhere along @anon2661411812 thinking but there are very useful grants (if properly distributed) to speed things up.
Also, grants are pointless if the farmer cannot be competitive on the market due to conditions outside of his immediate influence. 

I also believe farmers can achieve much higher efficiency and reduce the cost further by cooperating and using planned development. That's what we are doing now in Croatia, in the village of my grandparents. There is too much distrust but, we have now 6 people willing to work together. Instead of all 6 buying one machine worth 20 000 euros, we will each buy a different one and use them for anyone who needs them. We will also create a brand where possible and a common platform for marketing our products/services. We simply need to create a very powerful example. It is pointless to talk in Balkans, there have been too many lies and empty promises, so just do it and do it well.  

When do grants not work? Grants are pointless when there is no proper education of the population and monitoring/evaluation afterwards. In that case, they are a waste and in many cases do more damage than good.
They also don't work when the overall system enforced by relevant laws/treaties are favorable to huge companies. 
I believe food should be cheap. Why? Well because food is the most basic requirement for each human being. It is an essential part on our quest for freedom, as it is also a great tool for control. As Mathias said, a lot of people cannot afford quality food and they will go for the cheapest. It will later cost them much  more but what are they to do?

Food is not expensive now because it must be. Food is expensive now because we created the system in which it MUST be expensive.
One of the big reasons is the abandonment of rural regions, migration to urban centers. It is increasing both the cost of living for everyone in cities and cost of production/delivery for smaller producers.
Another one is the taxes and laws put into place. Supposedly for protecting the consumer but in fact allowing big companies monopolies on life basically.
Nobody should be able to patent life. Nobody should be able to standardise life.
Another reason is linked to that as well. When people are fed the same story that they MUST BUY Z seed, for it they need X pesticide and Y fertiliser now. The seeds are of course sterile or will not yield almost anything if you dry them and replant the next year..and they all lead to the same company with 95% market share? What is that? It is a travesty of a system!

So what would be the solutions?

1. Use the current crisis and upcoming economic difficulties + remote work possibilities to encourage migration back to the rural areas.
Policy encouragement, cheaper, greater self sufficiency, quality of life much higher (lower pollution) etc..there are many pros. The biggest con for city people would be lack of human potential when they look at some village etc. That can be changed very fast if done in an organised way. Bringing educated, creative people from cities to a rural area and combining them with the experience people there already have, would bring great results.

2. Network! First network with other like minded people in cities (who are looking into moving), with idea of combining skills to build communities with great potential. Then network further, nationally and internationally, to create very big organisations which can represent us at the highest levels of policy making. There is always private power versus public power. We cannot compete in private power (financially), but they cannot compete in public power (votes).

3. Participate to the maximum in local affairs. From my experience, there are a lot of ways to get authorities to build the much needed infrastructure. Some include simple persistency and activism, others include actually educating them (as they might not be aware of opportunities from various funds). Direct or participatory democracy can be implemented at that low level quite easily."
6,85710,2020-10-23T17:44:03.890Z,14651,1,24,23,2,0,0,34.8,85696,anon781457888,anon3346229079,"Speaking of which, have a look and see if you Want to be involved/ join? https://edgeryders.eu/t/green-deal-call-selected-topics-for-edgeryders/14646"
8,85739,2020-10-25T00:16:46.105Z,14651,1,20,19,1,0,0,29.0,85710,anon3346229079,anon781457888,"Thanks, will check it out. If there is something with concrete project implementation with direct impact on the ground, I will join. If it is research centered, hardly."
10,85811,2020-10-26T18:51:06.227Z,14651,0,19,18,1,0,0,53.8,85807,anon3346229079,,"Yeah, I agree with your assessment in general Sonia. It took a long time to come to this situation we are in right now, so it will take a long time to change it as well (much shorter than it took to come to this though).

I don't consider ""the system"" as an entity which has a definite shape and nature, even though the laws implemented make it so in a way. Within it there are a lot of capable people doing a lot of good things too, it's just that at the moment we have private power dominating the ecosystem so much.

Sometimes heavy administrative control is necessary, if the goal is to ensure the efficiency of the investments used. I totally support good monitoring and evaluation systems. I have seen so much abuse of EU funds over the years, so I find it necessary. Unfortunately I have seen in practice that the bigger players are immune to it, and they are the ones getting so much money indeed. Why? Well locally they simply have too much influence.

Over regulation is very counter productive. I have a feeling it is a mixture of the ever growing Brussels law makers structure, needing to justify its existence, and heavy influence by those who can afford such regulation. Result is the destruction of smaller competitors and enforcing of monopoly.

There is a lot of work to be done,  but in baby steps :slight_smile:. Step one for me is education and revitalization of rural regions. The biggest strength could be diversification of economy, it is very important. As you can see, the climate is becoming more and more volatile. We cannot rely only on agriculture, nor should we. I believe real innovation will happen when we attract people with very different backgrounds to rural regions and get them involved in local problems."
11,85823,2020-10-27T07:43:08.171Z,14651,1,18,17,1,0,0,28.6,85807,anon2446385507,,"@anon
You and @anon

Have you met @anon

> I was engaged in building a coalition of organizations that would get involved in campaigning and education arounf CAP (Common Agricultural Policy). NGOs active in cities quickly got involved but it was much more difficult to engage farmers and their organizations. I think a big challenge is how to find a common language between “city activists”, NGOs and farmers, people working in the countryside and how to connect them into a common platform that would seek more sustainable solutions in agriculture policies, law and practices.

@anon

> The near future of EIP-AGRI as policy instrument is bright as you should have seen in the leagal proposals. The real challenge I see is to make sure the knowledge / innovation reaches the local farmer and he applies it being convinced it will make difference.

So I ask you: what kind of structures do you have around you which are doing a good job at this? do you have examples of collaborations which are making a difference, even in the smaller scale? If European/national funding can be used to some extent to start something, and we should not depend fully on it, what should it be used to? 

IF we don't use it, whose job is it to build those networks of awareness and sovereignty? NGOs? 

I can think of the French model of community supported agriculture, which is now popularized more and more, but would that qualify as innovation in the views of the funding bodies, @anon"
12,85836,2020-10-27T10:41:00.955Z,14651,0,18,17,2,0,0,13.6,85739,anon781457888,anon3346229079,Totally hear you :)
13,85854,2020-10-27T12:45:13.405Z,14651,0,18,17,2,1,0,88.6,85823,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:11, topic:14651""]
So I ask you: what kind of structures do you have around you which are doing a good job at this? do you have examples of collaborations which are making a difference, even in the smaller scale? If European/national funding can be used to some extent to start something, and we should not depend fully on it, what should it be used to?
[/quote]

For me the most logical step is to work with LAGs. They cover a big majority of the EU territory. They already have local networks and spaces for educational purpose.
I realised there is a good will to exchange practices internationally when I was involved in organising a conference for all LAG coordinators in Croatia. As I reached out to my contacts in France, Slovenia, Belgium and Finland. The responses were mostly positive.

The thing is, they are mostly very involved in local matters so the missing link is somebody/organisation who can transfer the knowledge/innovation from elsewhere.

ENRD could fulfill that purpose, as they do send information to the ministries of every country, which are supposed to translate it in the native language and spread it locally.
I haven't been very active in rural development for 4 years or so. I can't tell now what is the capacity of ENRD, if they expanded beyond their help desk team etc.

I already did workshops for LAGs, specifically about EU monitoring and evaluation systems and about new vision for the rural areas. I was also asked to give courses on Excel and bookkeeping so I know they are open to this format of spreading knowledge and giving useful info to the local population.

Going through ENRD could be a very slow process or very fast process, as they have clear guidelines decided by the policy makers...so everything would depend of them I guess.

If we or any other organisation would decide to do it, I would actually use Edgeryders platform or create a new ""section"" of it. It could just be a clone adapted specifically to the needs of farmers/organisations innovating, having ideas or practices worth spreading.
It could be a starting step, a catalyst and facilitator of international cooperation. Hypothetically talking, if we would have a fund available which we could dedicate for spreading these innovative ideas, we could work in 3 steps:
1. Identify with stakeholders sharing ideas on our platform which ideas would work best in which regions (it depends so much of topography and market conditions)
2. Spread this knowledge in cooperation with LAGs via local workshops
OR
work with ministry and organise directly a conference for all LAG coordinators to spread the relevant best practices within their regions

3. Finance projects in cooperation with LAGS (LAGS have local development strategies and they can draft calls for proposals)
Eligible projects would of course be specifically those in line with local development strategy AND must be pilot projects designed specifically to be **success stories** for the **innovative practices we want to spread**

Well all that **after actually having a decent amount of stakeholders involved here** :slight_smile:. My opinion is that innovators and people trying out new things are very passionate about what they do and will gladly share that knowledge...especially if their activities are motivated by social and environmental responsibility, betterment of human conditions etc. 

I haven't gone in detail through existing calls for proposals on EU level, so there might be something already available for this purpose."
15,85898,2020-10-28T11:46:55.208Z,14651,0,17,16,1,0,0,8.4,85893,anon781457888,,@anon2661411812
16,87264,2020-11-20T01:33:58.876Z,14651,1,12,11,2,0,0,62.4,85631,anon1189188430,,"I can't speak about the rest of the world but growing up we had farmers in the family. I have kept a toe in the water to stay informed. The U.S.A. understands food sovereignty and also treasures our farmers. We do provide huge subsidies to farmers Our farmers produce huge surpluses that many foreign countries block with tariffs for good reasons. Our farmers are also considered essential to our national security. While not enough of those farming use sustainable practices more and more do every year. 

As an aside most of our agricultural production goes into industrial products for dairy, meat, oil, bread, beverage, canning and fuel factories. We produce and eat very little fresh vegetables which is about all eat local and sustainable can address. While recently more Americans have been baking their own bread they almost all use store bought flour, including me.

One more thing, even a sustainably produce tomato bought from a farmer is not going to taste as good as the ones you grow in your garden plot.

Tim"
17,87268,2020-11-20T07:39:53.833Z,14651,2,11,10,1,1,0,17.2,87264,anon2446385507,anon1189188430,"Hi Tim,

First, welcome to edgeryders, I just read [your introduction post](https://edgeryders.eu/t/new-contributor-introduction/14902)!

[quote=""anon1189188430, post:16, topic:14651""]
Our farmers are also considered essential to our national security.
[/quote]
Do you think this concept of food security is still important these days, when there is a surplus of food produced worldwide and we have gone past the ability to feed our countries? 

I ask because others in the conversation like @anon538672178 and @anon

We are preparing for an [event on Monday afternoon Europe time/ your morning](https://edgeryders.eu/t/event-how-to-bring-back-human-potential-to-rural-areas-you-need-to-offer-them-more-than-just-a-plot-of-land/14769)  (you're more than welcome to join by the way, just let me know so I can send you an access link). And we are trying to figure out ways in which more support can be brought back to rural areas - whether consumer support, coordination and resources for developing local markets etc.. Of course, the situation in Europe might be very different from the one in the US, but I wonder: in your community, do you see people being more preoccupied by the source of their food, and how what actions are they taking?"
18,87274,2020-11-20T08:40:17.932Z,14651,0,12,11,1,0,0,52.4,85631,anon1189188430,,"Thanks for the welcome. Sorry no I can't attend your Monday event I am already booked for Monday. Actually already over booked.

Yes, I do think food security is still important because I think we still have many problems with quality and access. Production is also not without threat.

I don't think it is right to fight big agribusinesses in general. I think it is right to fight against unsustainable practices and those who advocate for them. Many of our rural communities depend on big agribusiness, many smaller farmers join co-ops that are essentially big agribusinesses. 

Here we need to support rural communities with services that are not profitable so are not available but still necessary. High Speed Internet and healthcare are unavailable in a lot of our rural communities and educational options are limited. In addition to crop insurance, price supports, government purchases of over production and cash payments the government already provides farmers need government subsidies for infrastructure and services like the ones I mentioned.

Priceless local food will not be grown in rural communities here but in urban farms. There will always be excess local food in our rural farming communities, it is our cities that have too little local food creating a scarcity of fresh produce at reasonable prices in our food desert urban communities. 

In my communities it is really only the rich people in the suburbs that seem to be preoccupied with the source of their food. They are getting farm to table subscriptions, buying organic and fair trade goods and going to farmers markets.

Tim"
19,87276,2020-11-20T08:52:54.837Z,14651,1,13,12,1,0,0,57.6,87268,anon538672178,anon2446385507,"For decades the debate on food security has been monopolized by 2 narratives about THE solution: ""we must produce more food!"" and ""we have plenty of food, we must distribute it better!"" Both are flawed. 
Food security is still important in my neighborhood as well as in global politics. Without a sufficient food supply, my family and neighbors cannot live. If you are lucky enough, you can <del>~~pretend~~</del> <ins>demand</ins> more, i.e. that the food is not only sufficient but it is safe, affordable, nutritious and 'healthy' (this is a bit more complex). At the national and global level, food security unbalances contribute to building up trade and production networks that are quite interesting to follow if you want to see where power is and how it is changing (suggestion: give a look at Turkey). 
Food surplus is inherent to food security. Without surplus that makes trade possible, you are destined to spend your whole life - every single minute - only producing food for you and your family and it will never be as diverse as prescribed by decent diets. Maybe it's something beautiful. I would not like to live like that. Of course, we can talk of many forms of trade - in the end it is based on different social conceptions of trust. You can trade with the farmer behind the corner and do it with no safety standards (@anon"
20,87290,2020-11-20T10:07:25.566Z,14651,1,12,11,1,1,0,12.4,87276,anon1466844745,anon538672178,"[quote=""anon538672178, post:19, topic:14651""]
you can pretend more
[/quote]

I'm guessing what you meant was _""demand more""_..."
21,87296,2020-11-20T10:36:49.000Z,14651,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,87290,anon538672178,anon1466844745,"Yes, thanks!"
22,87367,2020-11-21T06:45:49.000Z,14651,0,11,10,1,0,0,52.2,87268,anon538672178,anon2446385507,"Just wanted to flag three experiences (maybe Cloughjordan is known already) that might be of interest:
[http://desira2020.eu](http://desira2020.eu)

[http://www.thevillage.ie](http://www.thevillage.ie)

[https://www.liegetransition.be](https://www.liegetransition.be)

They all will be involved in the following event: [https://www.arc2020.eu/local-food-reimagining-regional-responses/](https://www.arc2020.eu/local-food-reimagining-regional-responses/)"
11,84529,2020-10-07T13:13:23.104Z,14326,1,16,15,2,0,0,18.2,84518,anon2446385507,,"Welcome to Edgeryders, @anon

I'm anon2649858692mi, one of the co-founders of Edgeryders and a Romanian living in Belgium. [This is my story](https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369), in case you are interested.. And recently I also started a food production project to support people to eat more high quality local food.

What would you most like to learn about at the event? Is Agrinatura doing alright in these pandemic times, or are you struggling with something? Many food projects are having a hard time, we hosted another food event a few weeks back and [this is what some restaurateurs and caterers said](https://edgeryders.eu/t/after-covid19-while-food-businesses-are-failing-can-community-oriented-food-projects-be-the-way-forward/13409/9), if you are interested to read.

P.S. If you prefer to write in Polish, you are more than welcome!"
14,84581,2020-10-08T07:01:09.855Z,14326,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,84558,anon2446385507,,"Hi Sonia, something very valuable you could contribute is present or share a little bit about a project you have or are planning and ask the others present to offer advice or maybe make some connections. 

Edgeryders is a community oriented towards collaboration, and all of our funded projects get to happen because of events and connections like these (we do EU research,  but also more practical projects funded by intergovernmental organisations - ex acceleration of youth entrepreneurship).

In this project, since you ask, we are doing the community building and connecting people with each other. There is a team of researchers from university partners who study populism and analyse the conversations to understand how people's real lives are affected by politics, but it is not at all militant. @anon4110936133 who is our principal investigator can tell you more. In no way your full/real name or the organisation will be analysed to make political statements.

I'm happy to tell you more, and if you have some time I would propose a short zoom call to see how to best prepare for the event so that it serves you and your work. We have a lot of flexibility!"
15,84582,2020-10-08T07:05:19.421Z,14326,1,13,12,1,1,0,12.6,84560,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
Poland is developing very quickly industrial farming and breeding. Organic farming is declining since 2014 by 6% each year.
[/quote]

Hi @anon
I'm one of the hosts, and to prepare it well it would be very helpful if you let us know what, if anything, is being done by competent institutions to prevent this decline in organic farming.. is there support available? For example here in Edgeryders, some of us in Belgium and Western Europe are very hopeful about the opportunities of the Green New Deal..  

@anon538672178 who will open the conversation at the webinar will tell us more about it I hope.."
17,84737,2020-10-12T08:58:12.386Z,14326,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,82509,anon1836820155,,"hello Sonia,

thank you for your conversation on Thursday, I tried to do my best with Polish, and it is so difficult. What questions about the Edgeryders do you have? Please send me the text with our conversation in Word format, I was not able to open the application. What date for another zoom will suit you?"
18,84848,2020-10-13T10:28:56.377Z,14326,1,15,14,1,0,0,28.0,82509,anon3064506950,,"**These are the planned events at the moment. Which ones do you wish to attend?** <br /> Webinar: Localisation of Food - 30 October from 18:00-20:00 <br /><br /> **What is your name?** <br /> Michał Trzęsimiech <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> Effective Altruism, a global movement to determine the most effective ways to improve the world and then follow them. Former leader of one of the founding entities and the founder of the Polish Foundation for Effective Altruism that educates on the priorities for doing good globally, starting with Poland and its region.
Also the founder of the Policy Entrepreneurship Network, an international NGO focused on accelerating innovation in important, yet neglected areas of health policy (2019 grantee of Charity Entrepreneurship). <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Other <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What do you see happening around you that is important for your community's wellbeing? How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> To prepare our communities for global catastrophic events (as in pandemics), especially in the context or rising geopolitical tensions and the current trajectory of the US' role in that context (as in conflicts); also in the context of climate change (as in extreme weather events) and the results of that change (as in migrations). To secure access to (nutrient dense) food and drinking water globally. To restore democracies in the North and rule of law globally. To increase governments' programmatic (as in program selection and implementation) and non-programmatic capabilities. To improve governance (as in election monitoring and anti-corruption). To increase economic growth and redistribution. To regulate public health according to the best available evidence. To reduce the cost of health commodities. To push forward the global effort to improve mental health. To reduce the suffering of farmed animals. <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> Yes, we're hosting several events every month and would love to work together. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
19,84861,2020-10-13T11:01:23.893Z,14326,1,13,12,1,1,0,12.6,84848,anon1836820155,anon3064506950,"[quote=""anon3064506950, post:18, topic:14326""]
Effective Altruism
[/quote]

Witaj na Edgeryders, @anon3064506950! 

Edgeryders – to jest społeczność internetowa, która gromadzi aktywistów, naukowców, hackerów i artystów z całego świata. Korzystamy z kolektywnej inteligencji, wierząc, że co dwie (wiele) głowy, to nie jedna. Tak samo jak Fundacja Effective Altruism zajmujemy się obserwacją zanon1235093333n i chcemy zanon1235093333n na lepsze.

Czego najbardziej chciałbyś się dowiedzieć na tym wydarzeniu? Czy Effective Altruism radzi sobie dobrze w tych czasach pandemii, czy też walczysz z czymś jak wielu z organizacyj pozarządowych w Polsce? Który z naszych tematów jest dla Ciebie najbardziej interesujący?"
21,84869,2020-10-13T12:23:51.000Z,14326,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,84861,anon3064506950,anon1836820155,"Cześć i dziękuję za ciepłe przyjęcie! Na to spotkanie zaprosiliśmy zaprzyjaźnionych ekspertów ds. rolnictwa i produkcji żywności. Poproszę ich o podesłanie ich oczekiwań. Jeżeli chodzi o naszą organizację, radzimy sobie nieźle. W Polsce szykujemy się do fundraisingu dla zapełnienia luki budżetowej na rok 2021. Jesteśmy bardzo otwarci na pomoc w zebraniu funduszy.

Pozdrawiam,
Michał"
22,84921,2020-10-14T05:36:53.583Z,14326,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,84863,anon2446385507,,"Hello @anon

We would be looking for two things:
1) what are practical problems that you encounter in your work..? 
2) what are you now working on (personally) which will benefit from engaging actors from across the borders - a project in the making, an ongoing project with potential to scale.. a new project proposal we could work on together, it could be anything.

Any one of these two questions that speaks to you? Feel free to also share links to your work so we can prepare before we meet, it will save us time!"
23,84946,2020-10-14T07:54:49.698Z,14326,1,15,14,1,0,0,28.0,82509,anon130945581,,"**These are the planned events at the moment. Which ones do you wish to attend?** <br /> Webinar: Localisation of Food - 30 October from 18:00-20:00 <br /><br /> **What is your name?** <br /> anon130945581 Thiel <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br />  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
26,84995,2020-10-14T15:04:44.370Z,14326,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,84946,anon2446385507,anon130945581,"Welcome to the event anon130945581,
So you have been in Edgeryders for some time and wrote about food waste and our individual conscious behavior ([lovely post here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/does-your-food-waste-affect-the-starving-child-in-africa/12349), for those who haven't read it yet!). 

What would be new to tell others who are new here is: what do you see as a practical problem when it comes to the food supply around you? If you have access to locally produced food, and if so, how are the suppliers work together or with others to make this more central in the public agenda? Any experience you have, it will help us a lot to prepare the event. Thank you!"
27,84997,2020-10-14T15:12:40.799Z,14326,1,15,14,1,1,0,13.0,84978,anon2446385507,,"Nice to meet you Alex @anon

What is a local food initiative which you organised, and are you happy with the results? By the way @anon130945581 here is in Exeter and very involved in the food movement in the UK but also internationally, you two should connect. 

Myself, a few years ago I was very much involved in organising [community dinners with food waste,](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-we-hosted-a-food-waste-combat-community-dinner-and-why-its-time-to-make-it-a-habit/765) with a local NGO in Romania where I used to live. Now I'm producing a plant based protein food in Belgium, and I am sad to see a market full of fake meats which *maybe* contribute to solving the CO2 big problem, but bring on other problems. Feel free to ask me more. 

[quote=""anon
**How is your government helping this, or not helping?**
Negatively for a very very long time.
Chaos means to get off the fence. (not before surveying the land)
[/quote]

I'm curious about this, would you mind offering more information about this?"
28,85011,2020-10-14T17:37:51.118Z,14326,1,16,15,1,0,0,28.2,82509,anon3260662716,,"**These are the planned events at the moment. Which ones do you wish to attend?** <br /> Webinar: Localisation of Food - 30 October from 18:00-20:00 <br /><br /> **What is your name?** <br /> Daniel Convents <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> Owner of Jiedi - specialist in qual research & insights development. Extensive experience, and interest, in foods innovation <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> Access to diversity of local food ingredients, directly from producer, or at least traceble to producer <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> all 'food systems' are geared towards upscaling, difficult for downscaling to become rewarding <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
29,85012,2020-10-14T17:47:59.448Z,14326,1,15,14,2,0,0,48.0,82509,anon3346229079,,"**These are the planned events at the moment. Which ones do you wish to attend?** <br /> Webinar: Localisation of Food - 30 October from 18:00-20:00 <br /><br /> **What is your name?** <br /> Jasen Lakic <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> Well as of next year I will be back in Croatia as my main base. I will continue my work within the EU funded rural development structure there by helping the less informed or badly served locals. I just came from Croatia and a lot of people asked for help with their projects. Also, I will try implementing 2 bigger projects: one linked with education and the other with agriculture and sustainable development.
I was also approached by an association of local producers to help place their product abroad, as I have a company in Brussels too. I am thinking of starting an online shop with quality Croatian products and offering them to existing bio/organic smaller shops in Brussels.
 <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> The biggest problem I want to solve at the moment is: how to offer affordable quality food from local producers to LOCALS in Croatia.
Currently the system does not support something like that, driving the production cost of such goods so high that the average Croat OR BELGIAN cannot afford it.
I believe the solution is in efficiency (shared facilities/machinery) and growing smaller surface but higher yield goods in a more controlled environment. The climate change is real and farmers are seeing the direct impact of it.
Offering very affordable, quality food should be a priority because it is supposed to be a human right, not a luxury. Our health and our freedom depend on it. I believe the government implements a lot of laws which take away our freedoms, food is just step 1. Self reliance, sustainability, 0 waste, work/life balance, community cooperation through direct democracy etc... <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> Well there are two sides to it, just like anything else. Government as an entity is influenced too much by private power (financially etc), so some decisions made are quite harmful for most of the population (like seeds standardisation laws). They argue it is for the protection of the end user but the current industrial agricultural model encouraged by seed producers is pure monopoly. It also leads both to degradation of our health and degradation of our environment, which will be most felt by our children.
The policies in place have both increased the price of food production and damaged the natural evolution of our plants, which naturally adapt to the soil and climate conditions wherever they are planted.

On the other hand, government is made of many individuals and organisations and a lot of them do work hard to help as much as they can... <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> Hmmmm, can't think of anything now and I am not sure I will have the time in the next 4 months.
It could be interesting as of March next year. If our activities align. I will be in Croatia for sure and working on agriculture and  sustainability for sure.  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
31,85022,2020-10-15T05:03:37.863Z,14326,0,15,14,1,1,0,8.0,85011,anon2446385507,anon3260662716,"[quote=""anon3260662716, post:28, topic:14326""]
Access to diversity of local food ingredients, directly from producer, or at least traceble to producer
[/quote]

Hi @anon3260662716, welcome on board! Can you give us an example of how the problem manifests itself in your life and how are you going about solving it? 

Feel free to also read about others here and ask them questions - the more we get to know each other's perspectives before we meet the better we can each prepare our contributions to the session."
33,85094,2020-10-15T15:54:30.407Z,14326,1,15,14,2,0,0,33.0,82509,anon806073661,,"**These are the planned events at the moment. Which ones do you wish to attend?** <br /> Webinar: Localisation of Food - 30 October from 18:00-20:00 <br /><br /> **What is your name?** <br /> Liliana Carrillo <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> I work at the AgroFood&Tech department of the Flemish AgroFood institute ILVO (https://www.ilvo.vlaanderen.be).  As an R&D Engineer, I support the data-sharing initiative called DjustConnect (https://youtu.be/GaB3jz_oGko https://djustconnect.be/nl/)

We are 'EU experts' on Common Data Spaces:
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/expert-workshop-common-european-agricultural-data-space
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/expert-workshop-common-european-agricultural-data-space-0 <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Family/Work and life balance <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What do you see happening around you that is important for your community's wellbeing? How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> My smallest community is my family. My family members have ASD.  
I am not receiving support from the government as a care taker of people with cognitive disabilities.  My personal wellbeing is important as I am the main care taker in my 'small' community.  Corona has made the challenges more visible. <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> I would like to co-organize an event around Food Commoning, and around Agrofood Common data.  How do we start? <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
34,85124,2020-10-16T05:27:27.794Z,14326,0,13,12,1,0,0,37.6,85043,anon2446385507,,"Hi @anon2971899728n, welcome on board, happy to have you at the event!

Where are you based, where is your project planned to happen?
There is a trend for micro herbs and a few businesses here in Brussels where I'm based, and I see them struggling nowadays because their model is to deliver to the Horeca and chefs who use such herbs in their kitchens. 

For those who do not yet know about micro herbs, why is this sustainable agro tech, could you tell us more..? From what I know, they need a lot less water and are highly rich in nutrients (like concentrates), which means you get a high quality yield with no so much resources.
You should definitely connect to @anon"
37,85344,2020-10-20T05:30:10.248Z,14326,1,13,12,1,1,0,27.6,85278,anon2446385507,,"Hello @anon
Very nice project, and seeing that you make 'zacusca' really made me crave it!
I hadn't heard about your project but I've lost a little bit of track of initiatives in Romania ever since I've moved to Belgium.. and I was born and bred in Cluj, a bit far from Dambovita where you are.

[quote=""anon
**How is your government helping this, or not helping?**
Not helping
[/quote]

Could you explain a little more about this.. ? How did you manage to stay afloat since you started in 2013? Mainly through selling the produce and no subsidies? Do you have any local trusted partners?  
This will help us better understand your project and prepare materials before the event next week,

Thanks!"
38,85350,2020-10-20T06:17:58.648Z,14326,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,82509,anon1770239084,,"**These are the planned events at the moment. Which ones do you wish to attend?** <br /> Webinar: Localisation of Food - 30 October from 18:00-20:00 <br /><br /> **What is your name?** <br /> anon1770239084 Retamal <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br />  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
41,85471,2020-10-21T10:04:33.314Z,14326,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,82509,anon1247593436,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Laura Nobel <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> I'm a projectcoordinator at Agribusiness Service BV, a service providing company specialised in the animal feed sector (https://www.agribusiness-service.nl/ anon3760934795ogies, right now the site is only available in Dutch!). We provide our expertise in the sector, but also have secretarial and financial know-how to facilitate projects from start to finish. 
 <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> Covid-19 related (work/personal life): It's harder to establish a relationship with the people involved in the different projects and sectors I work in, as you have less opportunity for small talk and one-on-one conversations during online conference meetings. I'm a new employee and due to covid-19 measurements I feel less involved in the company (despite best efforts from my colleagues and teammanager, I must add!) and I have difficulties staying motivated working from home all the time.  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> I support the government's covid-19 measurements such as work-from-home and forego physical meetings for online meetings, getting the virus under control is more important than the personal discomfort.  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> I have no answer to this yet, I'd like to experience the online event first. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
42,85497,2020-10-21T15:26:38.679Z,14326,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,85471,anon2446385507,anon1247593436,"Hi @anon1247593436, how happy I am that you registered, welcome on board! 
I hope you don't mind a question, I am trying to support everyone to prepare for the event next week by reading about each other's work:
In your experience, what is a key challenge to get more agri businesses in NL or Europe to collaborate with smaller scale/ organic farmers and promoting organisations? Are they part of your network too?"
44,85542,2020-10-22T10:44:57.034Z,14326,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,82509,anon1276267746,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Brian <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> http://datasmartfarmhand.com/ <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br />  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br />  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
48,85718,2020-10-24T05:28:35.623Z,14326,1,13,12,1,0,0,42.6,82509,anon122942479,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Frank Dieters <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> I am professionally busy with finding new business models for agro-entrepreneurs and rural development of regions.  <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br />  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> I am working for a regional government, but it is very hard to stimulate sustainable economic prospects for the majority of business in the agro-complex. It is either the first to the market approach or just formulating policy goals, but the gap between strategy and execution is seldomly made.  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> I will take that in consideration <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
49,85719,2020-10-24T06:24:43.335Z,14326,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,84582,anon538672178,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon
It's true, Poland is in counter-tendency compared to other EU countries. Organic has been shrinking between 2012 and 2018 ([Eurostat](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Organic_farming_statistics#Key_messages)) The latest I have from local sources: small increase 2018-2019. As far as I understand from my sources in Poland, the decrease in organic land was due to changes in the national subsidies system for organic, after the decision of linking the organic certification to production. I mean, today in order to obtain the certification (and the EU subsidies) you have to cultivate something. This was not the case before - when people got subsidies just doing nothing, buying land and leaving it fallow. Other characteristics of the organic sector in Poland are in line with the EU ones: organic farms are bigger than the average, smallholders disappear as in the conventional and so on."
50,85720,2020-10-24T06:52:39.993Z,14326,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,85012,anon538672178,anon3346229079,"Hi @anon3346229079
Actually, keeping the food affordable and provided with continuity is one of the biggest achievements for humanity. To be frank, in this aspect I think that in Europe we are far better off than other parts of the planet. The ""system"" has supported this. This does not mean we cannot improve the system. Just don't think about that system, think bottom-up. Local farmers organizing is key. I know that this is difficult to do, especially in Southern Europe. One aspect missing in your argument. Decreasing the cost of local and quality food: what is the impact on the farmers' revenue and livelihood? Just to remind that this aspect must be part of the equation."
51,85721,2020-10-24T06:56:05.074Z,14326,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,85712,anon2446385507,,"Hei @anon

Yes, i just started a local food company in Belgium that makes a natural vegan protein food. The product, indeed with binded beans that you are referring to is called tempeh, it's made through fermentation with the help of a funghi that binds the beans (www.beanlife.be).

I still didn't understand if you are practically involved in a food project? Tell us more :-)"
52,85732,2020-10-24T12:19:11.405Z,14326,1,11,10,3,0,0,37.2,85094,anon538672178,anon806073661,"Do we believe in the potential of digital tech to offer real value for farmers? It's not a matter of belief, but of doing it being vigilant instead. Digitization is unavoidable. 10 years ago I started talking to farmers about the potential of making tools of digital traceability and a digital label... Everyone replied: ""the housewives of [small village you prefer] do not care about this stuff, it's too much complicated"". Then I supported Epelia, that I knew thanks to @anon2661411812, because I was convinced that digital tools could give farmers some power back vis-à-vis the food industry and supermarkets. Then I learned that one of the groundbreaking Italian platforms in direct sales online, which had started up as a platform P2P or mostly so, had to change and become an online supermarket because the participating farmers did not care about the most simple rules of accountability and reporting. In the meantime, the digitization process has accelerated thanks to Amazon. It's starting from the final stages of supply chain, supermarkets, and not from farmers. If it goes ahead this way, farmers will be ""innovation takers"" as usual. I like the idea of a common European agricultural data space."
54,85737,2020-10-24T23:30:54.766Z,14326,1,10,9,1,1,0,12.0,85720,anon3346229079,anon538672178,"I wasn't talking about food, I was talking about quality food and there is a huge difference between the two. Great majority of the population today cannot afford quality foods (and I am not talking about caviar and truffles). Paying 500 euros per month is huge for an average family in Brussels, and they wouldn't pay less. A couple pays easily 300...and that's budget food. 

[quote=""anon538672178, post:50, topic:14326""]
Just don’t think about that system, think bottom-up. Local farmers organizing is key. I know that this is difficult to do, especially in Southern Europe.
[/quote]

I agree, not easy at all and it is essential to organise better. Both need to be done, bottom and the top.
Big support is needed at the top too, hopefully the new subsidies covering ecological production will create new initiatives.

[quote=""anon538672178, post:50, topic:14326""]
One aspect missing in your argument. Decreasing the cost of local and quality food: what is the impact on the farmers’ revenue and livelihood? Just to remind that this aspect must be part of the equation
[/quote]
Actually it wasn't an argument at all, just a short summary of my thinking...which could be faulty as well :slight_smile:. If I was making an argument I would elaborate much more for sure.

I am well aware of that aspect and the balance needed there Angelo. Croatia specifically is in a weird situation, as prices are way higher than the actual living standard can support (especially on the coast). Kuna is linked to Euro and is kept artificially quite high, not reflecting the real state of the economy. That's way above my pay grade so I will not go into that.
I wrote [elsewhere](https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651/5) about that a bit more. 
There is no one simple solution. We have to reshape our society. Having people migrate back to abandoned rural regions is necessary. There are many places all over Europe where people cannot even have businesses as there are no workers available. I know many municipalities like that in Croatia. Of course, there are solutions. I traveled all over Europe and saw a lot of good practices and I think outside of the box. Most people who grew up there and never went further than the nearby bigger city do not see those solutions or cannot implement them. The fact is also that the population in many EU countries has been losing the buying power. I remember how it was when I just arrived to Brussels...the prices of everything go up every year, new taxes are introduced...and salaries go up by a miserable amount. When I say that quality food needs to be cheap or affordable, I don't mean that everything should be taken on by the producer.

I have spent very long time in people's homes, both in well developed rural communities (those in proximity to bigger cities like Karlovac and Zagreb municipalities) and in Croatia's poorest communities...spent a lot of time talking with those people to figure out how can I really help them. I did also a 3 month market research on the subject. I shared it with some LAGs so the result was they adopted my conclusions to their needs and created their local development strategies. I also started a big project based on it. The project was an answer to real needs of the population. It turned out to be too big for me at that time and, due to my inexperience (made some costly mistakes) and lack of funding, I had to stop it. Actually I had ways to fund it but I did not like that I had to become indebted to a political party to do it...i stayed out of politics and corruption for so many years so that was one compromise I wasn't ready to make. Too bad, as the product was, and still is, much needed.

Next year I will start it again but, this time I will do it in just 1 municipality...keep it small. Make it a pilot project and test out things, then scale it if it makes sense."
55,85738,2020-10-24T23:39:07.517Z,14326,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,85732,anon3346229079,anon538672178,"I also believe digitalisation is essential and will happen. We now have local online markets organised via facebook and they do work.

I did projects for farmers until 4 years ago and, they freak out as soon as they get a letter with few requests (go to the nearby town municipality and get X paper, fill in this form etc)...no way they will do accountability. I see the same problem now. Wherever I go, I see more and more that book keeping/accountability service is so needed.
Actually their dream consultant is not someone who writes their application. For them it should be like a family doctor but who takes care of the business side. And by business side, they mean help with the project in its idea stage and later write application AND help **forever** with all admin related stuff :rofl:"
56,85741,2020-10-25T06:36:05.000Z,14326,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,85737,anon538672178,anon3346229079,"Good points Jasen, vibrant rural areas are essential.
I understand what you mean by ""quality"". Rules and standards hardly recognize that kind of food quality. There are two main concepts: the 1st one, WTO-US-Northern Europe, is food safety basically; the 2nd one is shaping the EU Geographical Indications policy (PDO, PGI...) and it is about food taste, history, and uniqueness. Given that food must be safe, the second concept is more problematic because of the price (but it gives a ""premium"" price to farmers). Another problem of the two approaches is that they are too much focused on the product, and not on the sustainability of the process. The ""third way"" you hint at is in between the two concepts, and I hope that awareness of it could emerge as a collective demand in the pandemic, as a reaction to banon3589994963-eating lockdowns."
57,85742,2020-10-25T11:54:22.184Z,14326,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,85741,anon3346229079,anon538672178,"Battle of regenerative farmers in Australia is an interesting one to follow. They overexploited the lands and basically put their livelihood in danger.
Now they are using very different methods and trying to spread their system far, educating other farmers. They do encounter huge resistance, how do you tell someone who has been doing it in one way for 30 years that his way is totally wrong? 
I encountered that same thing in Croatia, including my own family. That's why I always try to find the best examples of those practices. Show them and explain why they can work in X region too."
59,85766,2020-10-26T06:51:48.878Z,14326,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,85763,anon2446385507,,"Nice to e-meet you @anon
I understand that you are Serbian, but working in the NL? or working remotely from Serbia?

We just received an important testimonial from an organisation leader in Serbia who working to support local farming and believes big agri businesses are not the solution, and instead we should all go back to practicing traditional farming, with a view on regenerative agriculture. And that local farmers should get more government support to actually access agricultural funding, because currently it's only accessed by very few. Curious what is your opinion when it comes to the ways forward for Serbia? 
Here is the post:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651/"
60,85776,2020-10-26T10:04:54.920Z,14326,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,82509,anon3170587351,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Miloš Konjović  <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> I took a part in several projects considering CO2 removal from air, sustainable agricultural development, and reducing industrial environmental impact  <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> Sometimes, lack of understanding and cooperation willingness  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> Not really, though it's been promised for future period <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> I could introduce and present you to some opportunities and possibilities in agriculture  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
62,85820,2020-10-26T21:36:14.123Z,14326,1,14,13,1,0,0,27.8,82509,anon610387129,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Ewa <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> Until recently, for 2 and half years I coordinated the European Agricultural Policy Program in Heinrich Boell Foundation; within this program I kicked-started the Living Earth Coalition (koalicjazywazieanon1235093333.pl; a coalition of variuos organizations that campaign for more sustainable agricultural policy in Poland and EU). I also organizaed debates, prepared publications (eg.https://pl.boell.org/pl/2019/06/07/atlas-rolny-dokad-zmierza-europejska-polityka-rolna ) and ran projects - all meant to make people aware of the importance of of Common Agricultural Policy and stimulate debate and engagement around its reform. Information about those activities is avalable in the articles here: https://pl.boell.org/pl/taxonomy/term/3629/articles?page=%2C0 <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> In my work described above I was engaged in building a coalition of organizations that would get involved in campaigning and education arounf CAP. NGOs active in cities quickly got involved but it was much more difficult to engage farmers and their organizations. I think a big challenge is how to find a common language between ""city activists"", NGOs and farmers, people working in the countryside and how to connect them into a common platform that would seek more sustainable solutions in agriculture policies, law and practices.
 <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> The government is not really supporting real sustainable and organic agriculture. <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> not yet, maybe when I get to know the EdgeRyders and your activities better. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
65,85843,2020-10-27T11:30:41.640Z,14326,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,85787,anon1836820155,,hello @anon
66,85847,2020-10-27T11:38:01.231Z,14326,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,85820,anon1836820155,anon610387129,"welcome to EdgeRyders, @anon610387129! Thank you for the interesting online conversation during our call, it threw some light on the political background of the current negotiations in agriculture. The link to the webinar will be sent via email."
67,85850,2020-10-27T11:43:48.499Z,14326,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,85776,anon1836820155,anon3170587351,Thank you for the registration to our event @anon3170587351. Lack of mutual understanding and cooperation is very much the topic in Poland. As well as fighting CO2 contamination. Could you share names of these projects? The link to the webinar will be sent via email. Hope it will be useful for you for the networking!
68,85858,2020-10-27T16:00:17.442Z,14326,1,10,9,1,1,0,27.0,85842,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
they will be able to expand their business and export their food.
[/quote]

Very interesting point. Is there any example of Serbian businesses exporting in this way @anon
A question also for @anon"
69,85873,2020-10-28T07:45:50.257Z,14326,1,11,10,1,0,0,42.2,82509,anon2821865972,,"**What is your name?** <br /> anon1794848168astian <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> produce and deliver food locally while repurposing abandoned buildings in the urban landscape. <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> lack of affordable land. Difficulty to get food locally and to know the producers. <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> there are grants but is it hard to accede them. Also they are meant mainly for bigger producers. <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> i think i will understand after the participation to this 1st event <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
70,85876,2020-10-28T08:01:26.105Z,14326,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,85873,anon2446385507,anon2821865972,"Hi @anon2821865972, welcome to our small corner of the world :slight_smile:
I'm anon2649858692mi, one of the hosts for the session,

Curious: where are you based and do you already have a project to work with funghi?
Myself, I've become quite fond of funghi because I am running a project with funghi fermentation, and my partner has long been working with funghi as material for construction, design, and so on.

What would you like to discover at the session?  

Feel free to also comment on other people's remarks here and in 2 other conversations we are having:
1) https://edgeryders.eu/t/event-invitation-sustainable-agriculture-and-food/14493
2) https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651/  One of the points here is like you say, that grants go to bigger agri businesses!"
72,85901,2020-10-28T11:58:52.844Z,14326,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,85880,anon1836820155,,Thank you for the registration to our event @anon
73,85913,2020-10-28T17:50:27.433Z,14326,1,13,12,2,0,0,47.6,82509,anon92858883,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Patrick Andrews <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> I have been interested in sustainable agriculture for many years. I am not involved in a project but might be one day.  <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Work and employment <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> Accessing good quality local food <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> Not helping - the UK government is blinded by big business and cannot see how harmful current approaches to agriculture are.  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
74,85917,2020-10-28T19:24:15.306Z,14326,1,13,12,5,0,0,62.6,82509,anon4070699437,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Irene <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> I'm a PhD researcher in organizational studies focusing on error narratives and resilience in organizations. ATM trying to find my ways between a pretty conventional faculty, (mostly and preferably offline) environmental and social justice activism and mastering herbology and the production of herbal plants for various uses.  <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> I'm interested in settling within a community that aims at food sovereignty beyond my occasional volunteering in urban agroecology projects and woofing. I'm rather thinking about co-living, co-housing ad I'm interested in investigating what it means to be a farmer & service (knowledge) worker at the same time & how work  should be re-organized / downsized for our (& the planet) well being and resilience. I'm also interested in understanding the urban / rural divide: which kind of territories can be self-reliant and different experiences in experimenting with size of communities and type of engagement from different members. <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> I'm not fully informed but on top of some districts and agroecological projects around my city (Brussels), I cannot think of a real 'ambitious' funding / support scheme for food sovereignty in my region. <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> Not quite so far but I may after this session? :-P <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
75,85924,2020-10-29T05:55:30.684Z,14326,1,13,12,2,1,0,32.6,85913,anon2446385507,anon92858883,"Long time no seeing Patrick, good to have you back! And for diversity, it's nice to have concerned citizens bringing in your own viewpoints !

[quote=""anon92858883, post:73, topic:14326""]
Not helping - the UK government is blinded by big business and cannot see how harmful current approaches to agriculture are.
[/quote]

Is there perhaps some public supported initiatives that you trust, albeit in your local community? And also: do you see people demanding more quality food?"
76,85925,2020-10-29T06:02:20.898Z,14326,1,13,12,3,1,0,37.6,85917,anon2446385507,anon4070699437,"[quote=""anon4070699437, post:74, topic:14326""]
investigating what it means to be a farmer & service (knowledge) worker at the same time & how work should be re-organized / downsized for our (& the planet) well being and resilience.
[/quote]

Very interesting point @anon4070699437!  Some of us have been talking a lot about the need to 'educate' farmers to stick to traditional farming, write funding proposals, build their own community of support and local circuits (very interesting conversation [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651/)). But in my opinion, it rests on the image of the farmer we now have, an ageing population and less younger people in rural areas. What is this mixed role that you are talking about, how did you come to this idea ?"
78,85970,2020-10-29T12:21:43.674Z,14326,1,14,13,1,0,0,42.8,85858,,anon2446385507,"Our mission is to change the way in which vegetables are grown in Romania. We wanted to build a sustainable farm in every way: from a soil health perspective and from an economic perspective. So this is why we are commited to an organic bio intensive market gardening system. 
An organic system not only provides ensures that the soil is getting more and more productive each year but also is a system that gets simpler as time passes. There is less pest pressure and less disease pressure with the passing of time. In terms of support, my suggestion is to find books and other reading materials as good organic farming consultants are difficult to find in Romania. Regarding the business development aspect, this is a bit more complicated but starting with the basics would be the best avenue to take: record keeping, knowing your numbers on expenses, income, profit margin and selecting the right crops to grow based on these."
79,85971,2020-10-29T12:51:23.826Z,14326,1,14,13,1,1,0,12.8,85970,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
we are commited to an organic bio intensive market gardening system.
[/quote]

What does that mean, in practice? Sometimes we hear things like regenerative agriculture, permaculture etc, is this similar ? And what are the limits to scale?"
80,85972,2020-10-29T14:16:08.732Z,14326,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,85718,anon781457888,anon122942479,Ping @anon891735967 heads up
81,85986,2020-10-29T19:45:31.638Z,14326,0,14,13,1,0,0,22.8,85924,anon92858883,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi, thanks for the welcome. Indeed long time no see - would be nice to see you again sometime.  In terms of your question, one  interesting initiative in the UK is re-wilding, which has some limited government support (and is attracting growing attention). It is not just about food, but it definitely about important things like soil health and biodiversity will play a vital role in healthy food system."
83,86001,2020-10-30T08:42:34.675Z,14326,0,11,10,1,1,0,7.2,85992,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
Governments are involved in a way.
[/quote]

Nice to e-meet you Tamara! Where are you based? 
Could you share with us an example of collaboration from one of your projects? Do you personally feel it is making an impact in sustainability? We have heard quite some critical points, especially from those directly involved in working with farmers, so it's useful to see how things look from your perspective."
84,86011,2020-10-30T14:31:24.997Z,14326,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,82509,anon2383030212,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Wilfried Rimensberger <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> Millbank Creative Works uses creative and sustainability projects to build a stronger local communities and facilitate neighbourhood stakeholder engagement. We established Westminster’s most successful local community garden And run regular creative up cycling workshops at Tate Britain and regular local community linked projects with ChelseaUAL students and teachers. #MillbankAtlas <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Sustainability in agriculture or food <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> Growing fluctuation in residents moving in an out of the neighbourhood. <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> Gentrification with new expensive developments brings in new owners.  But  most are renting out. It also drives up living costs for the remaining original residents.  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> I’m thinking about it. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
85,86012,2020-10-30T15:10:34.715Z,14326,2,14,13,3,0,0,102.8,85925,anon4070699437,anon2446385507,"> Some of us have been talking a lot about the need to ‘educate’ farmers to stick to traditional farming, write funding proposals, build their own community of support and local circuits

Indeed, although with the new CAP it sounds like we are going exactly in the opposite direction again. It is as well a matter of structural funding and bargaining power.. and accessibility to quality food not solely for the most affluent (see the [nutrients collapse](https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511/) since the 1950s in almost all foods).  I think the neo-rurals in general often start with a different model in mind, if I recall well 10% of new peasants in France for instance start from scratch (not from inherited land) and do not want to reproduce the mistakes of past generations submerged by debt, monoculture crops and efficiency ratios. [Terre de liens](https://terredeliens.org/), a French association functioning as a community trust for farms, facilitates access to the land & tightens use of the land to agroecological practices. Since 2016 they managed to preserve in this way 6400 ha that would have otherwise ended up in urban concreting or big agribusiness hands.

> But in my opinion, it rests on the image of the farmer we now have, an ageing population and less younger people in rural areas. What is this mix role that you are talking about, how did you come to this idea ?

On the idea of being closer to the land I'm rather thinking about my own experience as I would love to be more connected to nature as a youngish :smiley: and never-been-farmer  urban, meaning rather spending systemically more time in rural areas while not giving up urban life. 
This doesn't mean that I should just move to a smaller city or to a peripheral suburban area looking at my kitchen garden and cows ruminating from my window :sweat_smile: I'm rather pointing at the possibility of suburban citizens to actively participate and more profoundly be aware of the food chains that support our (urban) livelihoods. 
I'm thinking for instance about seasonal work that could be taken over by workers in the city (see btw what happened with [desbrasdansnosassiette](https://desbraspourtonassiette.wizi.farm/) during the spring lockdown) and how the city could be useful for rurals on the other hand, on top of our natural role of 'compost makers' which is still far from being accomplished in most cities (see [the latest report](https://issuu.com/urbanecologycentre/docs/20190613_phosphore_rapport_scientif) from 'operation phosphore' for Brussels). 

This would mean that in the long run we should all make time for this kind of activities to happen in a more systematic way rather than solely relying on volunteering or on governments and private companies failing to take good care of our means of nourishment and ecosystems. It would mean as well rearranging our work time as 'fully-scheduled' service workers (although, of course, not all urban residents are service workers) and spending more time directly or indirectly taking care of commons, i.e. the soil at the basis of our own livelihoods. 
Basically we need more time for farming and it needs to concern more people as well in cities.

Paris, for instance, used to be almost entirely self-sustained within the Ile-de-France region. Le *maraîcher*, which means vegetable grower / gardener in French, was actually named after the Parisian neighborhood 'Les Marais'. Paris was well known for its variety of crops and inventiveness in urban farming since the Middle Ages, see the fruit walls in Montreuil, etc.
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Source: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mur_%C3%A0_p%C3%AAches
Or cultivation under bell jars
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Source: https://www.enlargeyourparis.fr/societe/quand-lalimentation-dessine-le-territoire-une-histoire-des-relations-entre-paris-et-sa-peripherie-agricole-depuis-le-moyen-age
These days the area around Paris produces solely 10% of veggies & fruits necessary for its population livelihood. In the 1900s it used to be 80%. Farmers in the region used to be 500k in 1900s, 88k in 1954 and 11k in 2010. Despite the disappearance of 'urban farming' isn't solely negative as it theoretically allows for more wild green areas (meadows, ponds, forests) which are necessary around and within a city.

Long story short, I'm trying to imagine a sort of transition from being an urban 'knowledge worker' to a sort of a farmer/researcher that is able to contribute to small-scale farming nourishing the most diverse fellow citizens of my city. May not be the most urgent item of discussion in today's session but this is more or less what I was thinking of when I filled in my participation form :)"
86,86013,2020-10-30T15:34:21.531Z,14326,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,86012,anon2446385507,anon4070699437,"Wow, I'm blown away by the elegance of your argument.. I think it deserves a separate post and a larger audience, we will move it in the Blog section after today's session (with your permission of course). Maybe I resonate because we are the same generation and have similar jobs, and see urban life in all its glory and pains, I don't know..

> we need more time for farming and it needs to concern more people as well in cities.

Fully agree! This is a niche, but also such a fresh perspective Irene ! Thanks, you made my day!"
89,86099,2020-11-02T12:12:04.420Z,14326,0,15,14,1,0,0,23.0,82509,anon1984425521,,"**What is your name?** <br /> Witold <br /><br /> **Are you part of a project or an organisation? What does the project/organisation do, and why?** <br /> Mental health care Blogger and Vlogger.
Blog.psypo.pl
YouTube: Psychiczne Pojednanie <br /><br /> **Let's get to know each other. Which of the following topics is the most relevant to you?** <br /> Health and social care <br /><br /> **Think about the topic.. and tell us: What is a practical problem that you have in your work/projects or personal life?** <br /> Technical maintenance of my blog.
I try to do everything alone and its rather too much for me.  <br /><br /> **How is your government helping this, or not helping?** <br /> I do not receive any help from Polish government.  <br /><br /> **Are you interested to co-host an event with EdgeRyders in the next months? If so, do you have ideas to engage others near you to participate?** <br /> Maybe, if mental health issues are in the scope of the foundation activity.  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
90,86450,2020-11-09T10:08:57.292Z,14326,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,82509,anon2446385507,,"Save the date!
Hei everyone, since rural rebuilding has become such a common point of resonance in our Food event from a few weeks ago, we will be hosting a follow up session to talk about it in 2 weeks - 23 November at 18:00 CET. Let me know if you’d like to attend by leaving a comment here?

![|20x20](https://edgeryders.eu/user_avatar/edgeryders.eu/anon2446385507/40/4_2.png) [Event: How to bring back human potential to rural areas - ‘you need to offer them more than just a plot of land’](https://edgeryders.eu/t/EVENT-how-to-bring-back-human-potential-to-rural-areas-you-need-to-offer-them-more-than-just-a-plot-of-land/14769) [International](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/eu/312)"
91,86573,2020-11-10T22:10:09.181Z,14326,1,12,11,1,1,0,42.4,86012,anon2661411812,anon4070699437,"[quote=""anon4070699437, post:85, topic:14326""]
Long story short, I’m trying to imagine a sort of transition from being an urban ‘knowledge worker’ to a sort of a farmer/researcher that is able to contribute to small-scale farming nourishing the most diverse fellow citizens of my city.
[/quote]

:green_heart:!! I think that a ""farmer/researcher"", perhaps also working a consultant for other farms, is totally a viable idea. Because farming has, or should have, quite a large knowledge work component to it. It's not like large-scale commercial farmers nowadays would knowingly and intentionally degrade and destroy their land – they just don't know any better how to farm profitably without degrading the land and are somehow forced to think in short timescales, such as the 30-50 years until the topsoil might have gone from their land.

That's how I came to like stories of industrial farmers who changed their ways and are now evangelizing among other farmers about the restoration techniques they discovered. I have found several of these stories, but this one is the best: [Peter and Stuart Andrews' Natural Sequence Farming](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-29/10312844), dealing with water cycle restoration on cattle farms in Australia.

Like their farm consultancy for industrial farms, small farms and urban gardens also need knowledge input. I would not know how to make a properly paid job out of consulting small farms and gardeners, though … except maybe if you'd combine it with a webshop or dropshipping store that also sells innovative gardening and urban farming products. There is so much hardly known tech for small-scale farming out there (and one might also  add own developments over time). Just one example to illustrate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loicvLfg9lM"
92,86778,2020-11-12T18:30:02.874Z,14326,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,86573,anon1659154220,anon2661411812,"It's true - there are a lot of very simple but effective tools out there that are not well known.  In today's info-tech world it can be tempting to design super high tech gadgets that employ wi fi and all, but often the simple time saver utilizing simple basic machines (lever, screw, incline, wheel, wedge, pulley) is best.  I was recently a judge for a contest to design innovative products for ag in the developing world.  Most of them were so complicated or high tech that as soon as something broke, the thing would get put in a shed and forgotten.  You have to be able to fix things in the field."
93,86780,2020-11-12T19:50:51.700Z,14326,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,86778,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"On the other hand, I like this current proposal for helping bee colonies using sensors that phone home for analysis to help prevent colony collapse.  Sensors can be made robust and easy enough to clean. And when a problem is identified, the solution is not some other super high tech thing but more of a traditional human intervention.  So, networked sensors to identify problems I think use networked tech smartly, or they can.  The items I was seeing in that contest used sensors too, but they also had lots of electronic controlling devices. That makes many more potential problems because they had control units that energized solenoids to make mechanical action.  Lots of potential breakdown with that stuff.  Not to mention learning curve for someone who already has a sore back and not enough hours in the day."
95,87070,2020-11-16T23:21:48.381Z,14326,1,8,7,1,0,0,56.6,82509,anon3346229079,,"An inspiring woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XytEhAzXdxo&ab_channel=TEDxTalks"
96,87292,2020-11-20T10:18:27.912Z,14326,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,87070,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Thank you for sharing this Jasen! Related to our conversation during the session, this is really the kind of effort that makes farmers look like heroes! Right @anon
  
It's incredible how much hard work this is, and also how much freedom it gives."
1,85949,2020-10-29T08:57:51.150Z,14704,0,22,21,28,0,0,174.4,85949,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"*To all who participated: Note that this is a closely adapted transcription from the audio recording! This is a wiki document, you can edit it if you want to modify your own words.*

The intention with the event was to lay the foundation for **meaningful collaborations** to come out of it. We meet, we connect, we understand where we’re all coming from and see what common priorities and topics emerge, then Edgeryders manages the community to follow up and explore new projects with those interested. 
 
**18 Participants**: Entrepreneurs, farmers, activists, researchers, public servants, EU workers in service of the agriculture sector, and people passionate about food.
**Countries:** Serbia, Poland, Croatia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, US (and others where some participants originate)
 
### The image of the farmer is a primary concern in food sustainability

@anon538672178: I’m from Italy, I live in Brussels since 2010. I’ve been covering agricultural news exclusively for 7 years, and since 2016 also environment, climate and EU policy. I write for ANSA, the main Italian news agency, and I also collaborate as a writer with other projects, such as a Horizon2020 on plant health. I met edgeryders 10 years ago and was really interested in the open approach.
I’m concerned about the gap between urban and rural, farmers and environmentalists, and this is something I would like to overcome. I cannot stand these ideological battles. I’d like to contribute to fill the gap.
 
@anon
My concern is the perception that we have regarding the farmers. **All the problems start with the way we look at farmers. We tend not to take seriously the work they are doing.** We have more respect for someone who is a teacher, who has a PhD etc. The farmer is the one producing the food: if you don’t have anyone producing the food, you can have all the degrees but there is an issue. Besides, there is a social and environmental care and the role of biodiversity that we don’t put a focus on.
 
### Are policy instruments like the European Innovation Partnership (EIP) Agri working? How are local farmers accessing the funds? 
@anon

First of all, the issue is that you still have local authorities in between. There is no direct contact between EIP and local actors. Brussels is delegating everything at national level, but people still complain that they cannot access.

Rural development pillar 2. is really dedicated to local actors. Each region in Europe has that specific program and they are free to apply or not. As soon as the regions apply, **80% of the funding comes from the EC, and 20% from local funds. If you’re not successful, you don’t need to pay back**. The tricky thing is that the call for projects is launched by each state or region, and the local selection means everyone is free to organise a consortium.
 
@anon

@anon
 
@anon

@anon
 
### The cost of farming innovation and why local food is more expensive
 
@anon122942479: I live in Germany, but I work in the Netherlands. I recognise a lot of what I heard here. What I find very important from my experience and the research we did in the province of Limburg (south of NL), we have an innovative agricultural complex, international campus that specialises in food innovations and new business models. 
It touched me when Pacome said we have to see the farmer as an important part of our communities. What we found was that the transition of the agro complex has to take into account that innovation power (= what comes after the first innovation) is financially driven. Our subsidies are most often focused on the first innovation, first pilot. We expect that the rest of the sector incorporates that in their business models. In the last 20 years there was so much focus on producing more and more, and in such a way that the environment would be respected, that the farmers had to invest in that. To be able to have a farm with cows, you have to have stables with a certain system. They became more and more advanced, and the Dutch government updated the bar, so a lot of them don’t have the means to implement a good solution in their own business. The banks don’t want to give more loans, it’s a high risk sector especially when entering the market.
**We innovate, but if there’s no way to incorporate that in the business model of the mass, you’re not going to get to the transition that you want.** You’re also wasting money, because the innovation doesn’t have the sustainable impact.
 
When we talk about local food being too pricy: the basic line is that if people pay more for their food, the farmer can earn more and therefore he has more money to innovate. But if we have a growing part of the population in precarious economic situation, the group that can actually afford to pay more for local products is getting smaller. You look at production and farmers, but in the end they need to be bought. Local food as a business model is not going to be a sustainable model.
 
@anon
I think there is an issue of the production cost: when you look at the huge farms, or imports, you come to the scale economies. If you want to make it affordable, we should look at the production factors. When you have input coming from the outside, expensive, the product will reflect the production cost. It is a specific sector, not like other commodities, and we cannot avoid the same principles. We are now considering agriculture as something like: you can produce everything. But at a cost.
 
@anon
 
@anon

@anon538672178: The Farm-to-Fork strategy is the EU strategy for the next 10 years, it’s about food sustainability. There was a lot of insistence to put into it some targets - not measurement tools, but rather political communication tools. For instance, we will cut halve the use of pesticides in 10 years. This is a good message for mobilizing urban dwellers. But farmers reaction in rural areas is: oh my god, and how am I going to make my living? This message is too simplistic and getting it as a target makes people in rural areas angry. So the message has the opposite effect on the two sides, galvanizing the urban dwellers and disappointing farmers. **The farmers, in my experience, are not champions of innovation, they are a bit conservative. They are thinking about making a living. With this kind of communication, you are pushing them towards the conservative way. There is this gap where we don’t talk the same language.**
 
@anon806073661: All those rules, legislations put a lot of administrative load on the farmers. To have a certification, they need to collect thousands of papers, so their work gets very complicated. Their work is affected by this load from even us as consumers wanting change. They are getting tired. To be honest, there are not enough farmers. **What do we need to do? Actually there is enough research, but we need farmers, we need to take care of them.**
 
@anon
 
Breakout sessions raised the following issues:

### What is food quality? 
For @anon
 
### How do farmers handle administration? Do we/they need more digital?
Vlad: We had a strong digital presence from the get go. It’s difficult to sell your product in a physical location - organic, not a huge quantity. I also prefer this. The support for administration and subsidies are poorly thought out, and not focus on growing small farmers into being better.
Angelo: In the farming community the narrative of ‘no alternative’ is overwhelming, so I see a strong need to get more information and practical solutions: how to change the use of pesticides etc. This is far from the debate, we focus on the first part of innovation and then we also need to know how to make it available for everybody. This is what we called technical assistance.

###  ‘You need to offer them more than just a plot of land’ 

This is the topic discussed at length in the end of the session. Read about it in this post and register for the next session 23 November at 18:00 CET.

Registrations here: https://edgeryders.eu/t/EVENT-how-to-bring-back-human-potential-to-rural-areas-you-need-to-offer-them-more-than-just-a-plot-of-land/14769.

### Other ongoing conversations launched by participants - connect with them by sharing your own experience in the comments!

https://edgeryders.eu/t/sustainable-development-focus-on-rural-areas-and-food-localisation/14736/1

https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-do-we-bring-people-back-to-rural-areas-and-support-local-food-production/14682/

https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651/4"
3,86028,2020-10-30T18:22:08.737Z,14704,0,19,18,1,0,0,38.8,85949,anon538672178,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> Food is an important part of my culture and a social cohesion device for my family. It is not about conflict, but about being together. <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br /> The awareness of the community I met tonight on the main REAL issues is really extraordinary <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
4,86029,2020-10-30T18:24:02.825Z,14704,0,19,18,1,0,0,38.8,85949,anon610387129,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> in Poland most people are not aware about issues related to food - how it's produced, that there are problems in food production (like pesticides, inndustrialisation, meat production); they just care that there is cheap food in the market. Few people realise that there is some problem with pestocides or big animal farms. Out of those who realise even fewer have money to buy qualit, sustainable and fair food <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
6,86031,2020-10-30T18:25:40.982Z,14704,0,16,15,2,0,0,43.2,85949,anon4070699437,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> Food in my family has always been central for conviviality: something you do together at least twice a day, you take the time for it and can be a source of debate because we actually care a lot about quality food and how to cook homemade foods. <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br /> The researcher - farmer disconnection & the policy maker - farmer disconnection.  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
7,86032,2020-10-30T18:29:11.625Z,14704,0,15,14,2,0,0,28.0,85949,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> Like with all the major society's problems - I see bubbles - I see my grandparents who grew up with their healthy food produced in their own garden or in their neighbors, they were bartering food for crying out loud! 
At the other end of the spectrum, within only 2 generations, I see posh urbanites who don't even know where their food comes from and have no filtering criteria when they make a purchase.

And in between these two, many other profiles, like the return to traditional products that make it to our surroundings via community supported agriculture.  <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br />  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
8,86033,2020-10-30T18:29:41.790Z,14704,0,15,14,1,0,0,38.0,85949,anon806073661,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> In my family, me and my partner come from different places.
What is for me healthy or delicious is different for him.
Food is a source of debate. <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br /> We have a few farmers.  How is our food future?
I would like to connect with everyone, but I cannot talk as there is a lot of noise at the moment here.  I would love to see a next gathering, a follow up. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
9,86034,2020-10-30T18:31:35.970Z,14704,0,14,13,2,0,0,42.8,85949,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> Very important, we have been producing our own food for a long time.

Not conflict, just very different views on some things.

Everyone does agree on importance of food with regard to health.
 <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br /> Some important points raised, specifically discussion about reversing soil degradation and closing the gaps between rural and urban dwellers. <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
10,86035,2020-10-30T18:41:48.384Z,14704,0,14,13,2,0,0,42.8,85949,anon122942479,anon2446385507,"**What is the significance of food in your family or in your culture? Most often, do the people around you relate to food in the same way as you do, or is food a source of debate and conflict?** <br /> Quality of Food is an issue that is regarded as important. The production is also a growing concern <br /><br /> **What did you hear in the session so far that intrigued you? Maybe there is something you would like to learn more about?** <br /> Local Food should not be branded as special and therefore more expensive. It has To fit into the socio-economical context of the region. It’s about making Food accessiable. And that Food has To be of Good quality. 

Also would like To talk more about the Serbian context and how the deal with the development of rural areas In conjunction with industrial agro coming in. The citizen engagement and empowerment To counterbalance I would like further explore.  <br /><br /> **undefined** <br /> true <br /><br />"
11,86037,2020-10-30T18:54:24.312Z,14704,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,85949,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"I would like to explore the topic of how different efforts, or kinds of self/community driven alternatives can solve some of the issues we see - what is blocking people from wanting to move to the country. For example someone mentioned healthcare.  What can citizens do themselves? Like with healthcare, my Dad shared a book called « where there is no doctor » with all our relatives in the country side.
Most of the most common cases could be handled at home: broken bones etc. It’s the same topic that pops up right now with medical staff shortage with covid also in urban areas - there are a lot of things that can be done like rapid training people to be nurses and take on some of the tasks. Julius Nyerere pioneered these kinds of training programs in Tanzania . So when we talk about citizen engagement, 

I want toexplore  relationship between citizen engagement, citizen empowerment on different levels which expands the space for what can be done to make rural living; and things like transition to sustainable future, more viable and attractive."
1,85922,2020-10-28T23:27:25.086Z,14695,0,7,6,3,0,0,16.4,85922,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"*Stand 1. Oktober 2020. Offen für Kommentare.*

POPREBEL wird von der Europäischen Kommission im Rahmen des Forschungsrahmenprogramms Horizon 2020 finanziert (Förderungsnummer 822682).

Die Gemeinschaft, die wir wärmstens als ""Wellbeing in Europe"" bezeichnen, ist das Bündnis, das wir in Symbiose mit dem Forschungsprojekt aufbauen. Es ist ein kollektives Bemühen, die Art und Weise zu verstehen, in der Bürger in verschiedenen europäischen Ländern in Zeiten des aufkommenden Populismus leben, arbeiten und an der Gesellschaft teilhaben. Es ist eine Plattform, um Geschichten, Ideen und Einsichten auszutauschen, neue Verbindungen herzustellen und die Arbeit zu koordinieren. Es handelt sich um eine vielfältige Gruppe von Menschen jeden Alters, Geschlechts, Einkommensniveaus, politischer Ideologien usw., hauptsächlich in Mittel- und Osteuropa, aber nicht nur dort. Es ist ein Prozess, der Menschen virtuell oder physisch zusammenbringt, um zu teilen, zu inspirieren, zu verbinden und effektiv zusammenzuarbeiten. Daraus ergeben sich neue Ideen, neue Lösungen und neue Verbindungen, die allen zugutekommen.

An alle und alle Teilnehmer*innen:
1)    Wir haben “Wohlbefinden in Europa” im Hinblick auf euch, die Gemeinschaft, konzipiert, um als Wissensmotor zu wirken. Je mehr ihr dazu beitragt, desto mehr wird unser kollektives Verständnis und unsere Handlungsfähigkeit wachsen.
2)    Wohlbefinden für Europa begrüßt die Teilnahme von jedem, der sich an einer ernsthaften Diskussion über Leben, Arbeit und gesellschaftliche Teilhabe im Kontext verschiedener politischer Veränderungen beteiligen möchte, unabhängig von seinen politischen Werten und Orientierungen. Wir befürworten eine konstruktive Diskussion mit Menschen auf den verschiedenen Seiten des politischen Spektrums und nicht etwa eine Zurückweisung populistischer Argumente.
3)    Um konstruktive, respektvolle Diskussionen zu gewährleisten, wird unser Team darin geschult, einen entsprechenden Dienst im Community Management zu leisten und die Debatte so zu lenken, dass kein Missbrauch geduldet wird und dass Argumente sachlich fundiert bleiben.
4)    POPREBEL, das Forschungsprojekt, das jeder durch sein Engagement in unserem Bündnis unterstützt, soll als Katalysator wirken. Es wird bis Ende 2021 laufen, obwohl seine Materialien noch lange danach zur Verfügung stehen werden, ebenso wie die Community auf dieser Plattform selbst.
5)    Das Projektteam ist bestrebt, zuzuhören und sich mit jedem Teilnehmer auszutauschen, allen Zugang zu den gemeinsamen Ressourcen auf dieser Plattform zu verschaffen und euch mit neuen Informationen, Wissen, Menschen und Möglichkeiten zu verbinden.
Was ihr durch euer Mitwirken gewinnen könnt: Ihr werdet dabei angeleitet, einen Beitrag entsprechend euren Interessen zu leisten, Man erhält konstruktives Feedback oder Ratschläge, sowie eine finanzielle Belohnung für einen qualitativ hochwertigen Beitrag, Ihr werdet für eine bezahlte Stelle rekrutiert, es werden Lern- und persönliche Entwicklungsmöglichkeiten angeboten, d.h. Schulungen, man erhält Einladungen zu Projektveranstaltungen, Zugang zu anderen in der Gemeinschaft verfügbaren Möglichkeiten, die entweder von den Projektpartnern oder von anderen Gemeindemitgliedern oder Organisationen bereitgestellt werden.
6)    Das Projektteam wird die aktivsten Mitwirkenden formell anerkennen, indem es sie für finanziell entlohnte Rollen rekrutiert: Geschichtenerzähler, Experten und/oder Kuratoren bei Veranstaltungen. Wir verstehen unter aktiven Beitragenden diejenigen, deren Beiträge von anderen Mitgliedern der Gemeinschaft anerkannt und validiert werden, je nach der Anzahl der Kommentare und Reaktionen auf Beiträge und dem Grad ihrer Zentralität im Netzwerkdiagramm (Beispiel). Dieser Prozess richtet sich nach den formellen Aktivitäten, Ressourcen und Kapazitäten, die im Projekt zur Verfügung stehen.
Alle Rekrutierungsmöglichkeiten werden im Gemeinschaftsforum als offene Ausschreibungen bekannt gegeben.
7)    Wir möchten uns gegenseitig helfen, unsere Fähigkeit zur Analyse und Interpretation von Informationen zu verbessern. Wir analysieren und strukturieren die in unseren Gesprächen geteilten Informationen, um den Wunsch und die Fähigkeit der Gemeindemitglieder zu unterstützen, sich durch Fakten, Statistiken und andere Informationen konstruktiv an der Gesellschaft zu beteiligen. In einer Welt der allgegenwärtigen digitalen Konnektivität hilft uns die Verbesserung des Zugangs und der Nutzung von Informationen dabei, uns in den gegenwärtigen Ökosystemen und Gesellschaften sinnvoll zurechtzufinden. Ob es nun darum geht, lokale Probleme zu lösen, Regierungen zur Rechenschaft zu ziehen, teure Fehler zu vermeiden oder Neues über die Welt, in der man lebt, zu lernen - Wissen ist Macht.
8)    Wir können nicht versprechen, dass es eines der von den zeitgenössischen europäischen Populisten aufgeworfenen Probleme lösen wird. Es ist für uns alle gedacht, unabhängig davon, ob wir mit den populistischen Argumenten übereinstimmen oder nicht, das Bewusstsein zu schärfen, Informationen und Erfahrungen darüber auszutauschen, wie wir als Gemeinschaft mit diesen Problemen umgehen.
9)    Denken wir daran, dass wir eine vielfältige Gemeinschaft sind. Das ist entscheidend: Fast alles, was wir erreichen können, beruht auf dieser Vielfalt. Es ist wichtig, dass wir für den Zustrom neuer Menschen, Einsichten und Fähigkeiten weit offen bleiben. Das bedeutet, dass wir akzeptieren und berücksichtigen, dass der Einzelne in der Lage sein sollte, seinen eigenen Grad und Stil der Beteiligung zu wählen, solange dies die Autonomie der anderen nicht einschränkt.
10) Wer die Arbeit macht, hat das Sagen. Der Schwerpunkt jeder Interaktion sollte darauf liegen, jeden von uns zu befähigen und zu ermutigen, Danon3589994963 zu tun, anstatt am Rand zu sitzen und anderen zu sagen, dass sie Danon3589994963 nicht tun sollen."
1,85940,2020-10-29T08:27:24.166Z,14702,0,10,9,137,0,0,717.0,85940,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"## Wellbeing in Europe startet in Deutschland!

Wie können wir uns bei den aktuellen sozialen, wirtschaftlichen, und politischen Herausforderungen noch ein gutes Leben aufbauen? 

Wir wollen die nächsten Monate mit dir darüber diskutieren - von Mensch zu Mensch. 

Mein Name ist [Daniel](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon1921414910), und ich werde dich auf dieser Reise begleiten. Fragen stellen, andere Menschen in die Diskussion mit reinholen. Wenn gewünscht, hoste ich gerne auch Konversationen in Echtzeit. Frag mich jederzeit, wenn du möchtest, gerne auch per Direktnachricht.

### Mitmachen

Wenn du dabei sein willst, melde dich hier auf der Plattform an und schreib einen Beitrag und/oder kommentiere andere. Das geht übrigens auch völlig anonym - du musst keinen Klarnamen nutzen.

Wir möchten auch etwas zurückgeben: **Bis Ende Februar:** Die ersten 3 Monate wählt das Team jeweils zum Monatsende einen Beitrag aus, der mit ***einem iPad mini*** prämiert wird. Die Auswahl berücksichtigt dabei die Qualität der Geschichte, sowie die resultierenden Reaktionen (likes) und Interaktionen.

### Die Community

Wir von Edgeryders glauben daran, dass Menschen die sich austauschen, einfacher auf Ideen und Lösungen für ihre Herausforderungen kommen als alleine. Wir branon3589994963n Menschen zusammen, die sich gegenseitig und zusammen helfen, die aktuellen Veränderungen in Europa zu bewältigen.

Unsere bestehende Community von tausenden aktiven Menschen versucht stets Projekte und Kollaborationen die hier entstehen mit unseren Ressourcen und unterstützen. [Hier](https://edgeryders.eu/t/wellbeing-in-europe-warum-soll-ich-mitmachen/13976/2) findest du mehr zu Edgeryders und was wir machen. 

### Bist du dabei?

Wir hatten Covid nicht auf dem Schirm als das Projekt losging, aber als dominierendes Thema kannst du gerne erzählen, vor welchen Herausforderungen es dich stellt und wie du damit umgehst? 

Aber es muss nicht darum gehen, wir stehen schon viel länger vor herausfordernden Zeiten und du kannst gerne erzählen, wie du für dein eigenes Wohlbefinden in Bereichen wie Arbeit, Gesundheit, Familie, oder dem Gemeinschaftsleben sorgst?

Melde dich rechts oben an und füge auf der [Mainpage](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/in-deutschland/363)  über ""+ New Topic"" deine Geschichte hinzu.

Ich freue mich von dir zu hören!"
2,85960,2020-10-29T10:48:47.076Z,14702,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,85940,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,
1,85958,2020-10-29T10:31:59.354Z,14707,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,85958,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"Mit der gestrigen Verkündung der Lockdownverschärfungen in Deutschland werden im November gastronomische Betriebe sowie Kunst- und Kulturebetriebe schliessen müssen - was viele wohl vor existenziellen Herausforderungen stellen wird.

Hier möchte ich ins Thema ""Wellbeing"" einsteigen, mit einem Gespräch zwischen einer Freundin und der Gründerin der alternativen Kunst-Community Ponderosa Stolzenhagen. Stephanie Maher lebt seit 1996 in Deutschland und erzählt in diesem Interview Sylvie wie sie mit der aktuellen Situation umgeht und was ihr durch den Kopf geht:

### Ponderosa Stolzenhagen

**Sylvie:** *Hi Stephanie, kannst Du kurz erzählen wer ihr seid uns was ihr macht?*

**Stephanie:** Ponderosa ist ein Kunstzentrum, eine Community und ein Ort zum Versammeln und Austauschen. Wir befindet uns im Dorf Stolzenhagen, 1200 Einwohnern und etwa eine Zugstunde von Berlin entfernt, nahe der deutsch-polnischen Grenze.

Unser Team von Künstlern arbeitet daran, die Kluft zwischen Jung und Alt und die Grenzen zwischen Menschen und Nationen zu überbrücken - sei es in den umliegenden Dörfern Brandenburgs, zwischen Polen und Deutschland oder in der internationalen Gemeinschaft. Dabei steht im Vordergrund, einen Ort zu schaffen, der außergewöhnlich und einladend ist, während gleichzeitig der gegenseitige Erfahrungsaustausch und gemeinsames Wachstum gefördert werden sollen.


**Sylvie:** *Wie kam es dazu, dass du hier eine Community gestartet hast?*

**Stephanie:** Eine lange Zeit über hatte ich diese starke Identität als Tänzerin, was so ziemlich meine Karriere war, in die ich all meine Konzentration und Disziplin investiert habe, seit ich in meinen 20ern war. Auch, dass ich mich in den Bereich des kollektiven Organisierens begeben habe, auch als Gründungsmitglied vieler Projekte, ob es nun um einen Kindergarten ging oder darum, diesen Ort hier zu finden.

Merkwürdigerweise dachte ich immer, ich würde als arme Künstlerin enden, was auch einen großen Teil meiner Identität geprägt hat. So war mein Motto: ""Nimm es selbst in die Hand und mach was draus."" Warte nicht darauf, dass irgendeine Institution Studios bereitstellen, die am Ende eher heruntergekommen sind, hässlich, und auch nicht genügend Finanzierung haben. 

### Die aktuelle Situation und ihre Auswirkungen

**Sylvie:** *Wie geht es euch denn gerade, mit allen Herausforderungen vor denen wir hier stehen?*

**Stephanie:** Covid war natürlich eine große Frage für mich, weil ich kaum Zeit habe, Performances und Choreographien durchzuführen. Aber ich habe sehr viel Zeit im Studio verbracht.

Im Moment versuche ich, Raum für andere zu schaffen und mich gleichzeitig an die Lage anzupassen, es dennoch zu ermöglichen hier Gäste zu empfangen und künstlerischen Austausch zu ermöglichen. Wie können wir unsere Ressourcen teilen? Wie können wir der Angst entsagen und Verantwortung übernehmen, damit Menschen sich hier weiterhin versammeln können? Und wen lade ich dann ein? Wer eanon3589994963laden wird, ist ebenfalls eine große Frage, die mich sehr beschäftigt. Und für manche Menschen sind wir hier nun mal in Ost-Brandenburg, wo rechte Parteien wieder Aufschwung erleben und du niemanden allein an der Bahnstation warten lassen willst. Wie schaffen wir es also, hier einen sicheren Raum zu schaffen? Auch das ist ein großes Thema für mich.

**Sylvie:** *Und glaubst du, Covid zeigt uns eigentlich nur nochmal deutlich, was sowieso schon lange passiert? Ich meine, hast du das Gefühl dass da gerade etwas zum Vorschein kommt, was sich schon lange unter der Oberfläche befunden hat oder sagst du eher, jetzt kommt das was du schon im Gefühl hattest?*

**Stephanie:** Ehrlicherweise haben wir letztes Jahr schon eine Entscheidung getroffen, die uns gut vorbereitet hat, und zwar dass wir diesen Sommer ""Air Camps"" veranstalten: Wir verkaufen keine Workshops, und wir haben kein grosses Programm. Wir wollen einfach dass Menschen kommen um sich zu entspannen, zusammen zu sein, ihren Platz zu finden, und Raum für andere zu halten.

Als Covid dann kam, hatte ich schon die Räumlichkeiten geöffnet, um Menschen einzuladen und vor allem - dass sie hier nicht konsumieren, sondern mitmachen. So kamen wir auch zum Titel ""Tipping Utopia"", da wir ohnehin schon in einem Übergang waren. Ponderosa wurde zu groß und wir mussten ein kleines Gewerbe anmelden um die Übernachtungen und Verpflegung zu managen. Vorher war es viel informeller, es funktionierte wie eine Familie, wir halfen uns gegenseitig und viele Menschen kamen einfach her um zu helfen und gemeinsam haben wir diesen Ort geschaffen. Jetzt als Unternehmen muss ich wissen wann es Frühstück gibt, wie viele Leute kommen, da ich den Koch bezahlen muss, und der Bescheid wissen muss. Dabei will ich spontan bleiben, experimentell. Ich will Underground bleiben, nicht anderen Leuten sagen was sie zu tun haben. 

Es war also schon ein Kampf für mich. Dafür habe ich Ja zu einigen Danon3589994963n gesagt, von denen ich wusste, dass ich es eigentlich gar nicht wollte. Manches war Gesetz, manches war der Wunsch meines Partners sich weiterzuentwickeln, und Leuten hier Arbeit zu geben. Das ist seine Vorstellung davon, zurückzugeben: Menschen zum Herkommen zu bewegen, an diesen seltsamen Ort an der polnischen Grenze, um Kultur zu vermitteln, gerade was die aussterbende Region Ost-Deutschlands betrifft, auch Themen wie Infrastruktur. Ich weiß nicht, wieviele Leute sich tatsächlich mehr Kunst und Kultur wünschen, und vor allem den damit verbundenen internationalen Zulauf der ihr Dorf belagert. Also suchen wir den Dialog.

Ja, also wir waren schon auf eine Weise bereit für das was kam, ich meine wir haben das Unternehmen seit 2016, und mit den ""Air Camps"" wollten wir einen Ort schaffen, wo Menschen zur Ruhe kommen können. Zur Ruhe kommen ist derzeit sehr polititsch, “Nein” zu sagen zu dieser kapitalistischen Maschinerie und entspannen. 

### Leben und Wirken im Kollektiv

**Sylvie:** *Ihr wart also schon im Umbruch, hat die Situation auch etwas daran verändert wie ihr zusammenlebt?*

**Stephanie:** Ich habe auch gesagt, dass wir uns regional aufstellen werden. Ich will mich mehr auf die Umgebung vor Ort konzentrieren.

Leute kommen her und denken “Oh mein Gott, wir sind in Utopia, so schön!” Wir essen zusammen, wir schlafen zusammen, wir verbranon3589994963n Zeit im Garten. Es ist wie Utopia.

Aber jeder, der wirklich Teil des Kollektivs ist und schon einmal 5 Stunden lang über ein bestimmtes Thema diskutieren musste, wird feststellen, dass es vieler Kompromisse und Engagement bedarf, um vernünftig zu kommunizieren und Entscheidungen zu treffen. Also dachte ich mir, wir bleiben regional und hören auf, all diese internationalen Leute einzuladen. Wir bleiben regional und verbinden uns hier.

Als Gesellschaft befinden wir uns auf dem Weg ins Ungewisse, und komischerweise ist dies genau die Situation die ich kenne. Und was ich festgestellt habe, ich dass Menschen immer etwas brauchen, an dem sie Halt finden.

Als alles zusammengebrochen ist, haben wir mitangesehen wie die ganze Wirtschaft kollabierte. Und dann war es einfach so, als ob ein Knopf gedrückt wurde und alle ganon3589994963n zurück zur Arbeit - obwohl die Gefahr weiterhin besteht.

Und einfach nur dieses ganze System zu beobachten, wie es sich an die Normalität klammert, und weil die Wirtschaft über allem thront, ging es einfach nur ums wirtschaftliche Überleben. Und ich kann wirklich nur von Glück sagen, dass ich über diesen Raum zusammen mit 40 Leutem verfüge und mich niemand fragt “Wo ist die Miete?” Ansonsten könnte ich nichts so umsetzen, wie ich es tue.

Wir haben sehr lang versucht, die reine Funktionalität des Geschäftsmodells von der Idee zu trennen, uns selbst zu versorgen und Künstler zu empfangen, damit unser gemeinnütziges Projekt funktionieren kann. Mittlerweile machen wir alles zusammen. Und passen und ständig an die Gegebenheiten an.

### Herausforderungen gemeinsam bewältigen

**Sylvie:** *Frustriert sich denn etwas an der ganzen Situation? Was glaubst du, hindert dich daran, dein eigentliches Potential weiter zu entfalten?*

**Stephanie:** Vielleicht ist es einfach eine kapitalistische Struktur. Es ist so allgegenwärtig. Und ich denke, dass Deutschland wirklich gute Arbeit darin leistet, für mehr soziale Gleichheit und Strukturen zu sorgen und sich um die Menschen zu kümmern. Aber gleichzeitig existiert auch dieser große internationale Markt, der die komplette Stadt aufkauft und junge Startups, die unendlich viel Geld machen. Und dann ist nach einem Jahr alles gelaufen und es wird in den Müll geworfen und verlassen. Das ist mehr als destruktiv.

Das macht es auch schwer herauszufinden, wo die ganzen Mittel eigentlich hanon3589994963hen und wie sie verteilt werden sollten. Es ist von Person zu Person verschieden und hängt oft von Privilegien ab. Wenn man beispielsweise in einer eher schlechten Nachbarschaft aufwächst, fühlt man sich oft gar nicht, als verdiene man es, etwas zu erreichen.

Diese Anhäufung von Reichtum, die Reichen werden reicher und all diese Entwicklungen, dass diese östlichen Dörfer sich weiter entwickeln sollten. Ich kenne einige Leute vom Dorf, die hergekommen sind und froh sind, hier zu sein. Es fühlt sich an, wie eine andere Zeit und es ist ruhig und man kann nachts die Sterne sehen. Und natürlich macht es sich auch seit der Covid-Krise bemerkbar, dass die Berliner eher raus wollen um die Großstadt hinter sich zu lassen oder auch ältere Mitmenschen in ihren 80ern, die unter unbezahlbaren Mieten leiden und sich noch einmal umorientieren.

Dieser ganze Ort wurde auch durch andere Menschen inspiririert und ins Leben gerufen. Es geht nicht nur um mich, das alles kann nur exisitieren, weil all diese Menschen daran mitgewirkt haben. Wir haben Bäume gepflanzt, Müll eanon3589994963sammelt und versucht, uns den freundlich gesinnten Einheimischen anzunähern. Wir leben nicht alleine und die Menschen hier haben unglaubliche Arbeit vollbracht.

Vieles unserer Philosophie baut auf meinen Erfahrungen mit Improvisation auf - vor allem mit diesem Gefühl der Unsicherheit umzugehen. Wie viel Kontrolle kann ich wirklich aufgeben, bevor die Zweifel einsetzen: Kann ich diesen Leuten wirklich vertrauen? Machen sie nicht alles kaputt? Wer zahlt dafür wenn etwas schiefgeht. Zu lernen damit umzugehen, ist ein langer Prozess aber es zahlt sich aus - ich sehe dies nicht nur daran dass wir einen Ort wie Ponderosa aufbauen konnten, aber auch wie viele Menschen hier Platz zum Experimentieren gefunden haben, für den oft im hektischen Alltagsleben vor Covid selten wirklich Zeit war, und daraus wunderbare Kreationen entstanden.

**Sylvie:** *Stephanie, vielen Dank für Deine Zeit.*"
2,85959,2020-10-29T10:34:56.334Z,14707,0,5,4,2,0,0,11.0,85958,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"Was denkst du darüber, dass wir manchmal die Kontrolle aufgeben müssen, um etwas neues zu schaffen?

Ist das auch etwas in deinem Leben, vielleicht etwas das seit Covid dazugekommen ist, vielleicht auch schon vorher?

Hast du eine eigene Geschichte davon, wie Loslassen und Vertrauen in andere Menschen zu überraschenden Ergebnissen führt?

Oder auch nicht - vielleicht wurdest du auch in so einer Situation enttäuscht, das wäre auch spannend zu hören wie da darüber reflektierst."
1,85805,2020-10-26T16:00:08.848Z,14669,0,7,6,10,0,0,111.4,85805,anon2963888871,anon2963888871,"<image here> 
 

## Dear Friends and Community,

The current pandemic has certainly shone a light on the volatility of global supply chains and how unsustainable they really are - particularly when it comes to food.

While most of us know that the items we pick up at the supermarket may have flown hundreds of miles before they reach the shelf, it became more evident when the world grinded to a halt and certain stock began to dwindle. 

At Edgeryders we talk a lot about how we can help certain sectors recover from the economic shock of Covid-19. We’ve spoken about the co-working sector and explored ways in which we can build economies that [incorporate green energy](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14521), but another way we can aid recovery - and use the situation to rebuild broken systems for future generations - is to focus on the localisation of food.

Why would we import vegetables from the other side of the world, when we can support a local farmer that plucks them from the ground on the very same day that they can hit the bottom of our pan?

Throughout the pandemic, producers that have lost customers - due to the closure of restaurants and cafes - have been really innovative in bringing their fresh products to locals in their communities. We have seen this happen across the world.

People have willingly returned to this more traditional way of food buying. For some it's a way of life that never truly fell away with farmers' markets still a part of many cultures but an upsurge in this way of shopping has happened in recent months and perhaps new habits will now form that continue to support local farmers and producers into the future.  

At Edgeryders we have previously carried out research on food security and profiled areas in Serbia which have given way to[ large-industrial farming](https://edgeryders.eu/t/local-food-will-be-priceless-how-do-we-fight-big-agribusinesses-and-talk-to-farmers-to-produce-in-traditional-ways/14651). This has inevitably made it harder for smaller farmers to survive.

We are running a webinar this Friday, 30th October, to discuss some [critical questions](https://edgeryders.eu/t/critical-questions-you-can-help-answer-before-the-event-on-food-localisation-on-30-october/14645) relating to food sustainability, organic farming and agri-business. So [please sign up here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/event-invitation-sustainable-agriculture-and-food/14493) and come along if you are part of the industry and have ideas on how it can be reordered to better suit the needs of many.

## While you’re here...

Tell us about what’s going on in your part of the world below or [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/status-report-ii-whats-up-with-you/13292/139). Our “What’s Up With You”? section is a safe place where our members share everything from the latest pumpkin they have carved to major events in their part of the globe.

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Photo is by [Adli Wahid](https://unsplash.com/@anon"
2,85806,2020-10-26T16:04:22.009Z,14669,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,85805,anon2963888871,anon2963888871,@anon
1,62332,2019-10-26T22:26:30.755Z,11268,0,14,13,2,0,0,12.8,62332,anon2403397137,anon2403397137,"Ideologia. Zaraza. A przecież ja chcę tylko normalnie żyć. Nikogo nie przeciągam siłą na swoją stronę. Nikogo nie zarażam orientacją drogą kropelkową albo przez dotyk. 
Kiedy 7 lat temu podjąłem decyzję o coming oucie, spotkałem się z niezwykle pozytywnymi reakcjami w swoim otoczeniu. No, może rodzice na początku zareagowali bardzo źle, ale teraz jest OK. Myślałem, że tak będzie z każdym rokiem, że z każdym rokiem będzie lepiej. A co mamy dziś? 
Jeden ksiądz arcybiskup mówi mi, że zająłem miejsce Marksa i Lenina. W Internecie wysyłają mnie do gazu. A rzecznik praw dziecka mówi uczniom i uczennicom o innej orientacji seksualnej: afirmacja waszego zachowania to nadużycie. 
A przecież ja nie wybrałem sobie orientacji. Tak jak nie wybieraliście jej wy i nie wybiorą jej wasze dzieci. Po prostu jestem. Na co dzień przekonuję się, że nie jest tak źle. Spotykam się z akceptacją przyjaciół, znajomych w pracy, rodziny. W dużym mieście łatwiej być sobą. Nie wiem tylko, czy nie żyję w jakiejś bańce, za którą rzeczywistość nie jest – nomen omen – taka tęczowa. Pochodzę z małej miejscowości. Dopóki tam żyłem, za wszelką cenę starałem się być jak inni „normalni”. Długo zajęło mi zrozumienie siebie i pogodzenie się z tym. Nie anon1235093333łem na szczęście myśli samobójczych. Współczuję tym, którzy przez otaczającą ich homofobię myślą o odebraniu sobie życia."
2,62440,2019-10-29T08:38:05.015Z,11268,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,62332,anon1274458134,anon2403397137,"Cześć! Kiedy rejestrowałem się na tym portalu obiecałem sobie, że nie będę wyrażał zbyt wielu opinii o działaniach środowiska LGBT. Co prawda moja ostatnia historia dotyczy właśnie tej tematyki, ale bardziej niż działaniami aktywistów LGBT zajmuję się tam tematem przedstawienia i wykorzystania tych działań w propagandzie rosyjskiej. NIe znam zbyt wielu osób o tych skłonnościach, a ich istnienie obok mnie kwituję właściwie tylko wzruszeniem ramion. Twoja historia @anon2403397137 skłoniła mnie jednak do napisania kilku słów na poruszony przez Ciebie temat. Jest mi po prostu przykro jeżeli ktoś krzywdzi drugiego człowieka słowem lub czynem z powodu jego orientacji seksualnej. I tak jak uważasz Ty, uważam i ja, że osoby homoseksualne, nawet jeśli uczestniczą w rożnych zgromadzeniach jak np. marsz równości, niekoniecznie muszą być przedstawicielami ideologii. No właśnie,""niekoniecznie"" i ""nie wszyscy"" ale według mnie jakaś (jaka tego nie wiem) część środowiska LGBT, chyba szczególnie tzw. aktywiści, to przedstawiciele groźnej i niebezpiecznej ideologii, godzącej w to wszystko co dla mnie ważne. Nie wiem,, jaka idea im przyświeca, jaki jest ich ostateczny cel, ale w moich oczach wygląda to jak chęć rozpirzenia w drebiezgi cywilizacji europejskiej opartej na wartościach chrześcijańskich. Swoją droga to właśnie dzięki wartościom naszej cywilizacji osoby te mogą wyrażać otwarcie swoje poglądy (zapraszam na paradę równości do Mekki, albo nawet do imigranckiej dzielnicy w takiej Szwecji na przykład). To wszystko odbywa się pod szczytnymi hasłami walki o ""prawa"" i ""wolność"" ale jednocześnie sposób prowadzenia dyskursu przez tych aktywistów jest bardzo ostry i konfliktowy. No bo czemu ma służyć np. parodia Mszy Św., czy pochodów maryjnych czy też akcja z tzw. cipkomaryjkami? Chyba nie temu, żeby zwrócić uwagę na autentyczne problemy homoseksualistów w Polsce jak np. zdarzające się szykany czy akty agresji? Mam wrażenie, że ci, którzy stoją za organizacjami tych marszów ze stałą plejadą uczestników, dążą do jak największego skonfliktowania naszego społeczeństwa, prowokowania incydentów aby uzyskać możliwość głośnego krzyczenia o powszechnej homofobii w Polsce i ""brunatnej"" fali. Do tego dochodzą wieści z zagranicy od których włos się jeży na głowie jak dość głośna ostatnio sprawa z USA dot. wymuszonej przez matkę zgody na zanon1235093333nę płci u siedmiolatka. Oglądam to wszystko i powtarzam słowa mojego serdecznego przyjaciela ""ta cywilizacja musi zginąć""...."
3,68138,2020-01-03T13:40:11.290Z,11268,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,62332,anon3593942245,anon2403397137,"@anon2403397137 - witamy w kręgu tematów coming-outowych, zrobiła nam się ciekawa społeczność, razem z @anon401051720 i @anon750699873, którzy mają swoje, niełatwe doświadczenia w tej kwestii. 

Tutaj znajdziesz tekst Adama:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/nie-jestem-sam/10462

A tu Ali

https://edgeryders.eu/t/fajterka/10476"
4,85785,2020-10-26T10:57:15.374Z,11268,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,62332,anon1836820155,anon2403397137,"Część @anon2403397137, @anon1274458134! Co myślicie o zaostrzeniu ustawy antyaborcyjnej? Czy uczestniczycie w akcjach Strajku Kobiet?"
1,58538,2019-08-28T16:54:46.366Z,10638,0,14,13,8,0,0,57.8,58538,anon2493911774,anon2493911774,"Wychowałam się we wsi niedaleko miejscowości, w której mieszkam.  Skończyłam szkołę średnią i studium pedagogiczne. Pracowałam w zawodzie od 1983 do 1995 r. - w podstawówce i w przedszkolu. Do ślubu w 1983 r. mieszkałam z rodzicami, potem we wsi obok, a później w małej miejscowości, w  której mieszkam do dziś. Razem z mężem otworzyliśmy sklep w 1991 r. Prowadziliśmy go przez około trzy lata. Przestał być opłacalny. Otworzyliśmy go, bo po 1989 r. był boom na działalność gospodarczą. Wszyscy otwierali. Jak się nie anon1235093333ło własnego lokum – tak jak do tej pory - to działalność nie ma sensu. Czynsz był wysoki, brak klientów, nie można było mieć alkoholu, bo blisko szkoła. Byłam na urlopie wychowawczym i pracowałam jednocześnie w sklepie. Potem przyjęłam się jako pracownik obsługi gospodarczej w policji. Chciałam wrócić do zawodu nauczyciela, ale nie mogłam, bo trzeba było skończyć studia, a anon1235093333łam troje dzieci. Może i skończyłabym, ale dzieci zaczęły uczęszczać do szkoły średniej i trzeba było na to zarobić. Mąż pracował jako policjant i mieliśmy średnie dochody z tego tytułu. Wystarczało nam od pierwszego do pierwszego. Sytuacja finansowa pogorszyła się nam, kiedy dzieci zaczęły studiować. Mąż przeszedł na emeryturę w 1997 r. Miał wtedy 449 zł emerytury,  a normalnie wtedy emerytury były na poziomie: 130, 150, 180 zł. Jego emerytura była dość wysoka. Pracował też dorywczo na budowie, aby zasilić budżet.

Nie kwalifikowaliśmy się do tego, aby otrzymywać zasiłki z pomocy społecznej. Raz czy dwa zdarzyło się, że aby otrzymać stypendium szkolne musiałam odwoływać się do SKO (przypom.: Samorządowe Kolegium Odwoławcze), gdyż nie chciano wypłacić mi należnego stypendium. Ponieważ była to w moim odczuciu decyzja krzywdząca, zdecydowałam się o nie zawalczyć z burmistrzem. Stało się tak, dlatego że do mojego dochodu doliczono dwukrotnie alimenty. Mąż płacił alimenty na dzieci od 1995/1996 r. po milionie na dziecko. Tak było przed denominacją w 1994 r., a po tym okresie była to kwota 100 zł na jedno dziecko. Podałam go o alimenty, dlatego że z poborów anon1235093333ł zabierane pieniądze na spłatę pożyczek, a alimenty zabezpieczyły nam pieniądze na życie. Alimenty zatrzymywały spłatę pożyczek. W pierwszej kolejności pobiera się alimenty, a na resztę można zabrać do pewnej wysokości. Na życie musiało mu zostać 40% uposażenia. Mieszkaliśmy razem bez separacji. Ostatecznie się nie rozwiedliśmy, bo uważałam, że dzieci muszą mieć ojca. Tym bardziej, że najstarszym dzieckiem był chłopiec, który potrzebował autorytetu. Także córka, szczególnie ta starsza, była bardzo mocno emocjonalnie związana z tatą. Nie brałam pod uwagę rozwodu, tylko wyrzucenie męża z domu. Mąż anon1235093333ł bardzo intensywny romans. W tym czasie przychodził do domu na noc spać albo nie przychodził w ogóle. Nie dokładał się do życia, tzn. opłaty rachunków, zakupów żywności, ubrań dla dzieci itp. W domu prawie go nie było. Płacił tylko alimenty. Tak to wyglądało z mojej perspektywy. Było bardzo ciężko, ale wiedziałam, że dzieci muszą ukończyć studia, bo to jest ich kapitał na przyszłość. Skromność i mądra głowa to dobry start w przyszłość, jeśli nie można liczyć na wsparcie finansowe z domu. W 1997 r.  zachorował mój teść  i sytuacja się zmieniła. Mąż intensywnie zaczął jeździć do szpitali, aby kontynuować cykl leczenia. Bo była to choroba nowotworowa (rak czerniak). I wtedy stało się tak, że ostatnią wolą teścia było to, żeby mąż rzucił tamto życie i wrócił do nas. Dość długo to trwało (około 1,5 roku) próbowaliśmy wrócić do normalnego życia. Nie było to wcale takie łatwe, bo czas burzliwego życia mojego męża trwał ok. 8 lat. Dużo się przez ten okres zmieniło, my sami bardzo zmieniliśmy się. Mogę powiedzieć o sobie, że stałam się inną osobą: odważną, polegającą bardziej na sobie, konsekwentną, nieustępliwą w sprawach ważnych (chodzi o decyzje dot. dzieci) w myśl powiedzenia ,,co cię nie zabije, to cię wzmocni”.

Do pełnoletniości trojga dzieci, dostawałam na nie alimenty. W 2004 r. urodziłam czwarte dziecko – syna i nie było już alimentów, gdyż sytuacja była w anon1235093333rę stabilna. Mało tych pieniędzy było w domu. Nie wystarczało już od pierwszego do pierwszego. Brałam kredyty, pożyczałam. Jak mąż zaczął pracować na budowach, to te pieniądze przeznaczaliśmy na edukację dzieci. Jednak to też nie wystarczało, bo mąż anon1235093333ł dwa nałogi: dużo pił i palił papierosy. Na te cele przeznaczał dość duże środki finansowe. Ale przeciwności są po to, żeby je pokonywać. To stało się moją dewizą życiową.

Najstarsze dziecko wyprowadziło się z domu przed 2010 r. Dwoje dzieci uczyło się jednocześnie w innym mieście. Jedno z nich wzięło kredyt studencki i to trochę poprawiło sytuację finansową. Ale cały czas były kredyty w bankach. Jeden spłacałam, brałam następny. Mogliśmy też odpisać 100 zł darowizny na dojazdy dzieci do szkoły w rozliczeniu podatkowym. Nie dostawałam tych pieniędzy do ręki, ale jako ulgę podatkową. W roku to było 1 200 zł. W międzyczasie syn podjął pracę jako ratownik medyczny, założył rodzinę, a starsza córka pracę w organizacjach pozarządowych. Młodsza corka kończyła w tym czasie studia pedagogiczne.

W 2013 r. mąż zaczął chorować i w 2014 r. zdiagnozowano u niego chorobę nowotworową. I w tym momencie całą rodziną rozpoczęliśmy batalię o jego zdrowie. Dzięki mojej zapobiegliwości, nieocenionym posunięciem było ubezpieczenie męża w mojej polisie grupowej. Dzięki temu wypłacali nam różne kwoty z ubezpieczenia za: ciężkie zachorowanie, utratę mowy, zabieg operacyjny, pobyty w szpitalu. Koszty leczenia  pokrywane były pieniędzmi wypłacanymi z ubezpieczenia. A były to bardzo duże kwoty np.: przez miesiąc mąż dostawał bardzo drogie płukanki – jedna kosztowała  370 zł i  wystarczała na dwa dni. Koszt płukanek to około 8 000 zł. Dlatego nie wpadaliśmy w większe długi z tytułu leczenia. Rodzina też bardzo poanon1547754019ła, zamawiając opatrunki po cenach hurtowych, i moja przyjaciółka, bo pracowały w służbie zdrowia. Opiekowałyśmy się mężem w trakcie choroby na zanon1235093333nę z młodszą córką, która wtedy studiowała zaocznie. To było: gotowanie, zanon1235093333ny opatrunków, codzienne wyjazdy na rehabilitację – 50 km od domu, na wizyty lekarskie co kilka dni. Zmieniliśmy samochód na mniejszy, żeby córce było wygodniej prowadzić, gdyż była początkującym kierowcą. Po zakończeniu naświetlań chcieliśmy z PFRONu (przyp.: Państwowy Fundusz Rehabilitacji Osób Niepełnosprawnych) pozyskać środki na zakup syntezatora mowy, ale odmówili z braku funduszy. 

Pierwsza operacja męża była skomplikowana, całodniowa. Wtedy nie było problemów z położeniem do szpitala, ale oczywiście były kolejki. Wtedy opieka była taka jak powinna – niewymuszona przeze mnie. Od problemów męża ze zdrowiem do postawienia diagnozy upłynęło pół roku.To prawie wyrok śmierci. Najpierw dali mu antybiotyk, potem anon1235093333ł skierowanie do laryngologa. Ten źle go zdiagnozował. Lekarz, uznał, że najpierw trzeba wyleczyć zęby. Dał mu płukanki. Przez miesiąc nie poanon1547754019ło. Wzięłam drugie skierowanie od lekarza POZ- u (przyp.: podstawowa opoieka zdrowotna), mimo, że mąż nie chciał. Trafiliśmy do regionalnego szpitala i tam na lekarza, który postawił właściwą diagnozę. Tego samego dnia zrobili biopsję. Lekarz zdenerwował się, widząc sposób dotychczasowego leczenia. Po trzech tygodniach okazało się, że to rak. Czekaliśmy w kolejce miesiąc do operacji. Nie dało się tego przyśpieszyć. Potem potrzebna była druga operacja. Zapisaliśmy się na naświetlenia. Przez przeoczenie lekarki – nie przekazali z innego szpitala papierów - wydłużyło się czekanie na naświetlenie. Trochę to przyśpieszyłam, robiąc awanturę. Naświetlanie  trwało  1,5 miesiąca. Potem pojawiły się problemy z ręką. Nikt nie wiedział skąd te bóle. Twierdzili, że nerwy zanikały. Jeden profesor ortopedii powiedział, że to nie są przerzuty. Wymuszałam w szpitalu szczegółowe badania na obecność komórek rakotwórczych. Po zrobieniu rezonansu, nie zrobili opisu,  przez co czekaliśmy 3 miesiące. Też tam burzę robiłam. Potem zrobili opis, do niczego się nie przydał, był zrobiony źle i lekarz go po prostu wyrzucił. Potem trafiliśmy do poradni leczenia bólu. Okazało się że jest wznowa, czyli odnowiła się choroba. Nie było sposobu na pozbycie się komórek rakowych. Potem jeszcze jeden lekarz wpadł na to, żeby robić naświetlenia od środka, czyli brachyterapię. Nie było już innego sposobu. Uparłam się, żebyśmy jeszcze skonsultowali z jednym onkologiem. Chciałam mężowi podać chemię paliatywną, która ani nie pomoże ani nie zaszkodzi, żeby anon1235093333ł wrażenie, że jest leczony. Bo dopóki był leczony, wierzył, że wyzdrowieje. Wtedy przyszła lekarka i powiedziała, że po co to temu pacjentowi cheanon1235093333, skoro on już umiera. To było najgorsze zdanie, jakie usłyszałam w całym procesie leczenia. Przekonałam się wtedy, że niektórzy lekarze nie mają elementarnej wrażliwości ani empatii. Przez 1,5 miesiąca mąż leżał jeszcze w szpitalu, ale nie anon1235093333ł złudzeń, że jeszcze ma szanse na wyzdrowienie. Przyszedł czas, że mąż okazał się pacjentem nierokującym, czyli takim, któremu trzeba wykonywać kosztowne leczenie, a nie ma szansy na wyzdrowienie i wtedy ordynator chciał go ,,wyrzucić” ze szpitala. Po ciężkich bojach,  czyli przepychankach z ordynatorem, mąż trafił do hospicjum. Tam opieka była bardzo dobra. Po śmierci męża najmłodsze dziecko zaczęło mieć problemy, bo dostało stresu szkolnego. Potem leczyła go psycholog. Trwało to około roku. Powiedziała, że nie ma sensu więcej przyjeżdżać, bo syn nie chce się przed nią otworzyć. Nie chciał chodzić do szkoły, zaczął się wycofywać. A ja się nabawiłam cukrzycy ze stresu. Ale od tego momentu rozpoczęłam nowy etap życia.

Zaczęłam jeździć do klubu zdrowego stylu życia w połowie 2018 r. Poczułam wolność, jeżdżąc tam dwa razy w tygodniu. Miałam zmienić swoje nawyki żywieniowe i jednocześnie zaczęłam się odchudzać. Rozpoczęłam tam szkolenia na interesujące mnie tematy. Uczęszczałam też na zumbę, ćwiczenia ogólnousprawniające. Jeżdżę no rowerze, czasami na basen. Organizujemy z przyjaciółką spotkania w naszej miejscowości i jest zainteresowanie nimi. Mniejsze albo większe. W wakacje nie ma. Daje mi to satysfakcję, kopa, zdrowie, uczę się nowych rzeczy cały czas. Jestem też od początku we wspólnocie mieszkaniowej. Poczułam, że mam wpływ na to, co się dzieje w bloku. Musiała zawiązać się u nas w bloku wspólnota, bo zostało sprzedanych kilka mieszkań. To było chyba w 2015 roku. Był problem z wyborem zarządu, bo nikt nie chciał. Sąsiadka podała mnie jako osobę reprezentującą – dodatkową - najpierw ze strony najemców. Wtedy jeszcze starałam się o wykup mieszkania. Jeździłam do urzędów skarbowych i GUS. Potem wykupiłam mieszkanie i byłam człowiekiem od strony właścicieli. Jestem wiceprezesem do dziś, a prezes jest tylko na papierze. I tak wszyscy mówią do mnie prezeska Udało się nam pozyskać fundusze unijne na termomodernizację bloku. Robimy to co uważamy za słuszne, czy to się komuś podoba czy nie. Trzeba było sobie radzić z różnymi problemami. Po pierwsze, zmieniliśmy drzwi i ograniczyliśmy wejścia „elementów” do bloku. Musieliśmy mieć własne pieniądze. Pierwsze pieniądze poszły na drzwi, a kolejne na domofon. Tutaj była wielka bitwa. Wiele osób poobrażało się na mnie. Powiedzieli, że coś mi się w głowę porobiło. A poterm zbieraliśmy pieniądze na termomodernizację. Cały czas były pretensje, że jest za wysoki fundusz remontowy. Potem się okazało, że i tak musimy dopłacać. Ludzie zawsze mają pretensję, bo stawianie granic nikomu się nie podoba. Nie wiem czy zostanę w zarządzie. Zależy jakie kolejne przedsięwzięcie będziemy robić. Chciałabym instalację gazową poprawić, a czy ludzie się na to zgodzą, nie wiem. Co roku zarząd dostaje absolutorium – jak u burmistrza. Raz już zrezygnowałam na piśmie i wszyscy powiedzieli, że nikt mnie nie puści. Zdenerwowałam się, że nikt mnie nie wspiera i jeszcze zbieram baty. Wtedy do zarządu została dokooptowana jeszcze jedna osoba, która powiedziała, że będzie wspierać mnie od strony merytorycznej, czyli pisanie dokumentów, sprawdzanie czegoś. I tak jest. Obrywamy teraz obie. Ona jest na emeryturze i ma czas siedzieć przed komputerem, a że piastowała stanowisko dyrektorskie, wie gdzie czego szukać. Bardziej jest obyta w papierach. Ja mam dogadywać się z ludźmi, pilnować realizacji i wymyślać co jeszcze trzeba w bloku zrobić. Uważam, że ktoś to musi robić, a zawsze to się komuś nie będzie podobać. Mam trudniej jako kobieta. Chłop by chłopa ,,opierniczył” na tym by się skończyło, a kobiecie nie wypada. Mam większość wrogów. Nie odzywają się do mnie, obrażają się. Raz chcieli mnie prawie pobić. Nawet wezwali policję. Nie chciałam im dać kluczy, żeby weszli na dach i ustawili sobie sami antenę. Przychodzili po kilka razy, a nie chciałam żeby ktokolwiek chodził na dach. Nie ma opracowanych procedur kto może, a kto nie może, a nasze wejście jest bardzo niebezpieczne. Nie chciałam wziąć odpowiedzialności za ewentualny upadek klapy na czyjąś głowę. Byli bojowo nastawieni jak tu przychodzili. Sąsiadka nawet naszykowała kij i siedziała obok, żeby ratować razie czego… Zadzwonili po interwencję policji, a ci - do mnie z pytaniem o co chodzi. Powiedziałam im, że udostępniam klucz tylko kominiarzom i osobom z badaniami wysokościowymi. A oni nie mają ich nie mają i klucza nie dostaną. 

Religia jest dla mnie ważna. Poanon1547754019 mi wartościować rzeczy. Wiele rzeczy zmieniłam w swoim życiu. Jak zaczęłam czytać Biblię, zaczęłam mieć bardziej krytyczny stosunek do księży, oparty na obserwacji. Zaczęłam spotykać się ze Świadkami Jehowy. Nauczyli mnie czytać Biblię. Poanon1547754019ją mi w rzeczach prywatnych, np.: z internetem, dronami robili mi zdjęcia; doradzają mi, jak mam jakieś problemy, z którymi nie wiem jak sobie poradzić. To bardzo mądrzy, oczytani ludzie. Nigdy nie brałam pod uwagę przystąpienia do nich, bo uważam, że jak urodziłam się w wierze chrześcijańskiej, to w takiej chcę umrzeć. Niech każdy robi to, co uważa, że dla niego jest dobre. Papież też ze wszystkimi rozmawiał. Uważam, że rozmowa w niczym mi nie uwłacza. Papież to dla mnie autorytet. Franciszek to w ogóle ewenement wśród papieży. Jego decyzje są niepopularne wśród księży, bo rzeczywiście odbierają im profity i przywileje. Uczy ich pokory, co im się nie podoba, bo nauczyli się wystawnego życia. Każdy człowiek popełnia błędy, a to jest tylko człowiek. Nie śledzę go tak blisko, nie wiem czy popełnia błędy. Wiem, że jest niepopularny wśród księży. Afera pedofilska nie powinna mieć miejsca. Jakby taki ksiądz – pedofil stał przede mną, to bym mu mordę obiła. Krzywdzi dziecko - popełnia przestępstwo. To jest osoba, która powinna moralizować, pokazywać swoim życiem jak powinno ono wyglądać, a to na pewno nie jest właściwe postępowanie. Chodzę do kościoła. Nie wszystkie kazania uważam za wartościowe, bo są o niczym, lanie wody. Nic nie wnoszą. Rzadko słyszę o polityce w kościele, bardziej przeszkadza mi ciśnienie na kasę. Księża za dużo , mieszają się do polityki, ale nie śledzę tego. Dla mnie to jest za daleko. Zagłębiam się  bardziej na sprawach mi bliższych, lokalnych. bo tutaj coś mogę zmienić Na  politykę centralną nie mam wpływu. Czy będę o tym mówić czy myśleć - to nic nie zmieni w tym momencie. 

Dostanę teraz 500+. Pomogą mi te pieniądze, tym bardziej, że najmłodsze dziecko teraz idzie dalej do szkoły. To nie jest dobra decyzja - przyznanie 500+ wszystkim. To powinno być dla potrzebujących. Uważam, że są promowani ludzie, którzy nie pracują, a ludzie pracy nie mają motywacji do dobrej pracy. Tak jak swoją pracę wezmę pod uwagę: mało zarabiam, a po 40 latach pracy to za te pieniądze ani się nie da godnie  żyć ani się nie da umrzeć. Ale są ludzie z wysokimi dochodami i nie powinni dostawać tego 500+.  Teraz mam 1 200 zł poborów na rękę i 1 800 zł renty po śmierci męża. Mam wykupione bezczynszowe mieszkanie, ale opłaty idą do góry. Nie siedzę w kredytach jak siedziałam. Pospłacałam je, ale jak anon1235093333łam wydatek na zęby 10 000 zł, na który nie było mnie stać, to wraz musiałam wziąć pożyczkę. Są wydarzenia losowe, gdzie muszę się wspierać pożyczkami. Marzy mi się takie. Życie, aby żyć na średnim poziomie i nie zamartwiać się czy starczy mi na opłatę rachunków, wykup leków itp. - przyziemne. sprawy. Jestem dumna z moich dzieci, że wyrosły na wartościowych ludzi, wspieramy się w trudnych chwilach i potrafimy ze sobą rozmawiać. A to są wartości nieocenione w dzisiejszych czasach. Dla mnie bardzo ważne jest to, co człowiek ma w sobie, a nie na sobie. I tak uczyłam dzieci patrzeć na świat.

Głosuję w wyborach. Na scenie politycznej nie widzę nikogo na kogo mogłabym głosować. Uważam, że ludzie, którzy mogliby rządzić dobrze, nie są dopuszczani do władzy, bo nie mają siły przebicia. Natoanon1235093333st ci, co rządzą od dawna, im się nie chce. Są nastawieni tylko na branie kasy. Daleko są od rzeczywistości. To ich rządzenie nie ma nic wspólnego z czasami obecnymi. Młodzi ludzie nie mają siły przebicia, dlatego że nie mają pieniędzy, są blokowani przez tych starszych. Ostatnio głosowałam na Razem. Podoba mi się to, co mówią. Są mi bliżsi po prostu. Nie potrafię określić czy jestem lewicowa czy prawicowa. Nie wiem co to znaczy. Jestem za tym, żeby było dobrze. Chciałabym, żeby większą władzę anon1235093333ły samorządy, żeby nie były obarczane dodatkowymi płacami. Jak coś nie wyjdzie na górze, centralnie, to mają uzupełniać samorządy. Tak jak dwuklasowy rocznik. Strasznie mi się to nie podoba. Osoby młode, które mogą pracować, żyją z socjalu, a nie pracują, bo to dla nich wygodne - to powinno być w jakiś sposób skorygowane. Np., biorąc pod uwagę moją sytuację, gdzie jest półsierota w domu, a myślę, że nie jestem odosobniona,  to 500+ powinno być brane od początku. A biorą osoby, które 500+ przeznaczają na niańkę. To mi się nie podoba. Teraz najbardziej nie podoba mi się to, że pracuję 40 lat i mam tak niskie uposażenie. To nie wystarcza na przeżycie. Za 1 200 zł nikt by się nie utrzymał. Myślę, że w tej materii musi się coś zmienić na lepsze."
2,58870,2019-09-06T12:26:46.720Z,10638,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,58538,anon2446385507,anon2493911774,"@anon2493911774, co za historia!! Dziękuję bardzo za udostępnienie, uważnie to przeczytałem.
Mam nadzieję, że wasze dzieci poanon1547754019ją wam teraz, gdy są dorosłe!
Nie jestem Polakiem, ale mam zaledwie 32 lata i wątpię, czy będę w stanie wspierać dzieci finansowo, ale jestem z innego pokolenia. Niektórzy z nas nie mają dzieci w młodym wieku, tak jak kiedyś.
 
Zastanawiam się: mówisz, że zyskałeś dużo siły i zmieniłeś się. Czy to dlatego, że znalazłeś grupę religijną (Świadkowie Jehowy), która cię wspierała? Czy to dlatego, że zmieniłeś styl życia i stałeś się bardziej zorientowany na społeczność?

Jeszcze raz dziękuję za udział w tym forum, dla niektórych z nas, którzy nie są polskimi, czytanie takich historii jak to jest niesamowite! 

PS Mój komentarz został przetłumaczony z angielskiego na polski za pomocą google. Proszę wybaczyć błędy!"
3,61973,2019-10-22T13:37:47.227Z,10638,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,58538,anon3105790413,anon2493911774,"Cześć,
przeczytałem uważnie Twoją historię...i muszę Ci powiedzieć, że choć na Twojej drodze było wiele wybojów, to inspirujące są Twoje słowa. Nosisz w sobie niesamowitą siłę, która pozwoliła, że tyle zniosłaś i w tych trudnościach urosłaś. Prawdziwy walczak z Ciebie. Wyrazy podziwu i szacunku. Pogratuluj dziś sobie :) Pozdrawiam i powodzenia"
4,68224,2020-01-06T08:27:55.680Z,10638,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,58538,anon3593942245,anon2493911774,"Cześć @anon2493911774 - kolejna niesamowita kobieca historia na naszej platformie. Mamy przekrój pokoleniowy, po którym widać, że kobiety w Polsce to prawdziwe siłaczki. 

Zastanawia mnie przede wszystkim odporność i energia kobiet, umiejętność zanon1235093333ny życia i sięgania po nowe w polskich kobietach, szczególnie, gdy mierzą się one z ogromnymi trudnościami w rodzinie. Jak znalazłaś energię na przeorganizowanie swojego świata po śmierci męża i wyprowadzce dzieci? Czy była to dla Ciebie wielka zanon1235093333na, czy raczej naturalna decyzja - jeden rozdział zamykamy, kolejny się otwiera? Twoja ciekawość świata i energia do nowych zadań niezwykle mi imponują. 

Pozdrawiam!"
5,85784,2020-10-26T10:54:30.665Z,10638,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,58538,anon1836820155,anon2493911774,"Część @anon3105790413, @anon2493911774! Co myślicie o zaostrzeniu ustawy antyaborcyjnej? Czy uczestniczycie w akcjach Strajku Kobiet?"
1,57940,2019-08-13T20:14:17.563Z,10544,0,15,14,5,0,0,43.0,57940,anon681684766,anon681684766,"Nie czytam wszystkich programów, ale wydaje mi się, że partie polityczne po prostu wybierają jakiś elekorat i bębnią na tematy popularne w pewnych środowiskach. Nie mówią tylko o fnansach, gospodarce i polityce zagranicznej. Problemy społeczne są ważne, ale nie najważniejsze. Są to problemy, które potrafią rozjątrzyć, wszyscy się o to kłócą i każdy ma coś na ten temat do powiedzenia. Wszystko dlatego, że stopa życiowa Polaków ostatnio się podniosła, ale jakby nie mieli co do garnka włożyć, to by nie zawracali sobie głowy tym czy geje całują się na ulicy. To też są ważne rzeczy, ale państwo powinno być oddzielone od takich kwestii i opierać się na zarządzaniu finansami, służbą zdrowia. W Polsce to jest za bardzo związane z religią. Państwo powinno być świeckie. Nie jestem osobą wierzącą. Jestem agnostykiem, jeśli już mam siebie jakoś nazywać, czyli nie jestem ani wierząca ani niewierząca. Byłam wychowywana w wierze anon3213561856olickiej: z wierzącą i praktykującą mamą i wierzącym, niepraktykującym, antyklerykalnym ojcem. Chciałabym przekazać dzieciom szacunek do drugiego człowieka, wolność rozuanon1235093333ną tak, że póki nikomu nie szkodzi, to może robić, co mu się podoba; dopóki jego zachowania nie wpływają negatywnie na otoczenie, środowisko, ludzi, bliskich. Wydaje mi się, że nie ma obiektywnych aksjomatów, na których można by się oprzeć, niepodważalnych. Tylko człowiek jest ich źródłem. Szukałabym bardziej wartości w człowieku i w umowie społecznej niż w bogu. Wierzę w rozsądek ludzki, wyższe wartości, które człowiek sam w sobie potrafi znaleźć. Nie wiem z czego wypływa moralność. Nie mam autorytetów. Za Kantem bym powiedziała: „Niebo gwiaździste nade mną i prawo moralne we mnie…”. To raczej umowa społeczna, bo nie wszyscy są anon3213561856olikami. A czy są obiektywne idee, platońskie wartości, w które kościół też wierzy, nie wiadomo czy tak jest. Staram się konfrontować swoje myśli z otaczającymi mnie ludźmi: z rodziną, przyjaciółmi. Dużo do myślenia dają mi książki, które czytam. Mam ulubionych pisarzy, ale nie wpływają na moje postawy. Raczej są autorytetami w sensie literackim.

Mój partner pisze teraz pracę doktorską z kognitywistyki. Ogólnie, o umyśle, jak postrzega, jak umysł podejmuje decyzje. Baza naukowa na ten temat mówi, że tak naprawdę nasz umysł podejmuje decyzje tu i teraz. Nam się wydaje, że wszystko mamy tak przemyślane, rozpracowane, rozwalone na tysiąc czynników, a często na poważne życiowe decyzje wpływa np.: pogoda albo to, że cię stanik uwiera. To wszystko tak płynie jak rzeka, że zaczynasz czytać i zastanawiać się na ten temat: co ciebie konstytuuje jako człowieka i jako osobowość. Właściwie przypadek decyduje o naszym życiu i losie. Okazuje się, że np.: to jaką anon1235093333łam fryzurę zadecydowało o tym kogo spotkałam, dorastając. A potem siedzisz, gadasz, wynużasz się z odkryciami głębokimi: o moralności i autorytetach moralnych, gdzie nie lada głowy się nad tym łamały...

Jestem szczęśliwie magistrem filozofii. Skończyłam też Uniwersytet Ludowy Rzemiosła Artystycznego. Uczyłam się poza anon1235093333stem, w którym się wychowałam, bo chciałam poszerzyć swoje horyzonty i dostać się na dobre studia – takie, na jakie chciałam. Tak się stało. Zawodowo zajmuję się rzemiosłem artystycznym. Byłam na dwuletnim kursie. Na początku drugiego roku kursu odkryłam wolontariat studencki. Ten wolontariat umożliwiał zakup sprzętu na własność w zaanon1235093333n za prowadzenie zajęć z danej dziedziny. W ten sposób zdobyłam bazę materiałową i sprzętową. Przypadek chciał, że osoba, z którą wtedy prowadziłam te warsztaty, jadąc autostopem, poznała kogoś, kto szukał ludzi do prowadzenia zajęć z rzemiosła artystycznego w przedszkolach. Tak dostaliśmy pierwszą pracę w przedszkolu. Tak pracowaliśmy około 2 lat. Potem założyliśmy swoją firmę. Prowadziliśmy warsztaty z rzemiosła i animację. Prowdziliśmy ją dwa lata. Potem koszty nas przerosły - duży ZUS. Po zamknięciu firmy pracowaliśmy na własną rękę. Jeździliśmy na jarmarki, bo nasze zainteresowania oscylowały wokół wyrobu ceramiki. Potem nasze drogi się rozeszły. Znowu założyłam firmę i zamknęłam po 2 latach z tych samych pwodów. Potem pojawio się dziecko i to utrudniało bardzo rozkręcenie tej firmy. Zaszłam w ciążę, kupilam samochód, założyłam firmę. Wszystko w ciągu miesiąca. Wtedy było tak, że partner nie pracował, bo dostawał stypendium doktoranckie i nie musieliśmy się starać o pieniądze. Mieliśmy gdzie mieszkać. Coś tam robiłam. Zaczęłam prowadzić zajęcia w domu kultury. Po zamknięciu firmy dalej przez rok prowadziłam warsztaty. Jak zaczęłam się angażować bardziej w zajęcia i warsztaty, zaczęłam jeździć z propozycjami, ulotkami pod koniec ubiegłego roku... To było trudne, bo mój tata chorował, mama pracowała, moja siostra była za granicą, byłam w domu i prawie codziennie mu poanon1547754019łam, co bardzo mnie angażowało, a partner był w pracy praktycznie cały dzień. Nie anon1235093333łam możliwości zostawienia z kimś syna, ale pracowałam w pracowni w domu, robiłam swoje rzeczy. Nastawiłam się na bożonarodzeniowe jarmarki. Starałam się schodzić do pracowni wieczorami. Po nocy tam pracowałam. Jeden dzień partner anon1235093333ł wolny, więc tego dnia rozwoziłam ulotki. Jak już mi się udało zachachmęcić jakieś warsztaty, to zmarł mój tata – dzień przed warsztatami. Trzy tygodnie po jego śmierci okazało się też, że jestem w ciąży. Wszystko się na siebie nałożyło. Zrezygnowałam z jarmarków i z prowadzenia warsztatów. Chcieliśmy mieć drugie dziecko, ale nie planowaliśmy wtedy tego zrobić. Chciałam robić jakieś inne zajęcia, warsztaty na Wielkanoc. Zaniosłam ofertę warsztatową do jednego, drugiego przedszkola. Nawet się poumawiałam, ale później – w styczniu tego roku - okazało się, że partnera mama ma tętniaka w mózgu. Miała operację. Nie wiadomo było czy przeżyje i jak przeżyje czy nie będzie warzywem. Pojechaliśmy tam. Ona ma jeszcze trójkę dzieciaków w wieku szkolnym. Poanon1547754019łam się nimi opiekować, bo zostawali sami. Trudna to była dla nich sytuacja. Po czym okazało się, że to było jednak zbyt forsujące dla mnie, bo wylądowałam w szpitalu z zagrożeniem ciąży. Dlatego zrezygnowałam z prowadzenia warsztatów. Miałam miesięczną przerwę, bo drugi raz wylądowałam w szpitalu przez zagrożenie ciąży. Poczułam się lepiej i ograniczyłam aktywność do skończenia programu zajęć w domu kultury. W tym czasie jeszcze partnera siostra wylądowała w szpitalu, jego dziadek anon1235093333ł zagrożenie życia. To były anon1235093333żdżące trzy miesiące. Znowu wszystko mnie przyblokowało z firmą. Skończyłam cykl warsztatów w domu kultury, ale teraz nie za bardzo już mogę cokolwiek robić. Teraz z partnerem mamy taki plan, że od października do grudnia będzie mi poanon1547754019ć i postawimy na moją działalność. Będę prowadzić warsztaty, bo w okresie przedświątecznym dużo osób jest chętnych i może w końcu jarmarki mi się udadzą po dwuletniej przerwie. Są takie pragnienia i marzenia z mojej strony, żeby wrócić do zawodu. Miałam propozycję prowadzenia warsztatów w zakładzie aktywizacji zawodowej. Złożyłam CV, ale miesiąc wcześniej przyjęli kogoś innego. Nie wiadomo co z tego będzie. Powiedziałam, że mogłabym zacząć około października. Wyglądali na zainteresowanych. Zobaczymy. Warsztaty terapii zajęciowej też pytały czy chciałabym coś tam robić i zastanawiałam się nad tym. I dom kultury też, ale jak to wszystko będzie, czy to wypali, czy będziemy tu mieszkać... Trochę nam się tutaj nie chce mieszkać, więc zastanawiamy się nad przeprowadzką. Tu jest dom do remontu, ale jak tu remontować i inwestować jak to nie jest twoje? Spadkobierców jest około 10. I tak musimy się zastanowić nad jakimiś rozwiązaniami bardziej przyszłościowymi.

Partner pracuje jako psycholog dziecięcy. W czerwcu skończył pracę w innym mieście z osobami niepełnosprawnymi i jednocześnie pracował jako psycholog w interwencji kryzysowej. Jedna praca była na pół etatu, a druga - na 1/4 na najniższą krajową, z czego dużą część pieniędzy pochłaniały dojazdy, bo musiał codziennie dojeżdżać. Teraz ma umowę zlecenie w projekcie unijnym. Ma przepracować ponad 300 godzin z dzieciakami z sąsiedniego powiatu. To nie jest *stricte* terapia, ale ma zdiagnozować problem i poanon1547754019ć im szukać rozwiązania. Pięć godzin przeznaczyli na jedno dziecko. Dobra stawka godzinowa, ale zlecenie: ma określoną liczbę godzin do wyrobienia. W naszym mieście też anon1235093333ł propozycję z zakładu aktywizacji zawodowej: praca na podstawie zlecenia, 8 godzin tygodniowo, wynagrodzenie liczone jak 1/5 minimalnej krajowej. Gdyby to była umowa o pracę, nawet za taką kasę, pewnie by się zdecydował. Jak ma zarobić 400 zł tutaj, a pracując przy projekcie na zleceniu w innym mieście w ciągu dnia zarobi tyle, to nie ma sensu. I ma jeszcze jakieś stypendium socjalne, i jakieś projakościowe w związku z tym, że studiuje, ma wyniki. Do końca maja też wnosiłam wkład w nasz budżet.

Jestem ubezpieczona z dziećmi. Mam odprowadzane składki: zdrowotną, emerytalną i rentową. Był taki projekt dla prowadzących działalność. Jeśli urodziłaś dziecko w trakcie prowadzenia działalności, jesteś ubezpieczona do momentu ukończenia przez dziecko 3 albo 5 lat, tak jakbyś za najniższą krajową pracowała. Założyłam działalność w połowie maja 2016 roku, a w czerwcu zaszłam w ciążę.

Jak wyglądał mój dzień? Partner przyjeżdżał z pracy, jedliśmy obiad ok. 17:00. W tym czasie jeszcze karmiłam. Ok. 18:00-19:00 schodziłam do pracowni. Siedziałam tam godzinę – dwie, brałam prysznic, przebierałam się, karmiłam dziecko, czasem usypiałam i schodziłam znowu do pracowni. Potem ubierałam się w swoje ubrania robocze. Siedziałam tam w zależności od tego ile anon1235093333łam siły: do 22:00, 23:00, północy. Różnie to bywało. Partner jechał z samego rana, zanim syn się obudził. Szłam po zakupy dla siebie i taty. Brałam dziecko ze sobą. Wracałam do taty. Siedziałam z nim jakiś czas - do ok. 11:00-12:00. Kładłam dziecko spać, gotowałam obiad, sprzątałam, i znowu szłam do taty albo coś robiłam, np.: w sezonie czasem ogródek pieliłam. Później wracał partner, jedliśmy obiad i schodziłam do pracowni itd. Czasem szliśmy jeszcze do taty. Zależy czy chciał i jak się czuł, a po południu wracała mama. Dużą część przedpołudnia spędzałam z synem i z tatą. Potem byliśmy u mamy partnera, żeby opiekować się jej dziećmi. Tylko, że partner wtedy pracował i ja byłam z nimi sama. Partner przyjeżdżał w czwartek i na weekend.

Od państwa dostawaliśmy tylko 500 plus przez niecały rok, a potem partner dostał lepiej płatną pracę, też przy projekcie w Puławach, i wypadaliśmy. Przekroczyliśmy próg dochodowy, a potem sobie darowaliśmy. Teraz będziemy składać. W naszym przypadku to będzie już 1 000 zł na dwoje dzieci, to jest zdecydowana poprawa dla naszego budżetu. Nie uważam, żeby to było dobre rozwiązanie, że każdy dostaje 500 plus, bo znam ludzi, którzy mają kilkanaście tysięcy i biorą jeszcze te dodatki. Będą sobie wydawać na to, żeby posiedzieć 5 dni dłużej w Hiszpanii. Już mniejsza o to na co wydają. My przez jakiś okres sami zrezygnowaliśmy z tego, bo jesteśmy minimalistami i nie potrzebujemy dużo. Wystarczało nam z tego, co zarabialiśmy. Chodzenie tam, składanie tych wszystkich dokumentów, grzebanie w życiorysach, przynoszenie umów za 3 lata wstecz, tłumaczenie się ze wszystkiego itd... Już sami się w tym wszystkim zagubiliśmy. Nie chciało nam się tego robić, ale teraz złożymy. Są takie rodziny, jak np.: partnera mama, która sama wychowuje trójkę dzieci – widać, że jakiś remont sobie zrobili, że na te zajęcia ich pozapisywała. 500 plus nie jest dla mnie problemem czarnobiałym. Nie rozumiem też tego hejtu na te matki, co dostają 500 plus i idą pod sklep się napić. Tacy ludzie są, byli i będą, a myślę, że większość dobrze wykorzystuje te pieniądze. Myślę też, że jakiś próg dochodowy powinien być wprowadzony. To inna rzecz, że czasami jest ta złotówka różnicy i już nie dostajesz. Nie wiem czy jesteśmy na tyle bogatym państwem, żeby dawać hajs ludziom, których stać na wszystko, ale nie wiem też jaki to ma być próg. Myślę, że średnio zarabiające rodziny powinny dostać. Myśleliśmy o przeprowadzce do innego anon1235093333sta, które nie jest drogie, ale gdybyśmy oboje zarabiali tam minimalną krajową, nie byłoby nas stać na życie. Do tego dołóż czynsz, z dwójką dzieci, naprawdę byłoby nam trudno związać koniec z końcem. Jest tam jakaś praca, ale w naszym przypadku praca na kasie w Biedronce czy w Lidlu, praca partnera na budowie, więcej byśmy zarabiali, ale czy o to chodzi w życiu, żeby w wieku 50 lat nie móc już się ruszyć? Ten próg dochodowy musiałby być wyżej postawiony. Ciężko jest żyć z dziećmi, ale przyjdzie ci ileś osób i powie, że „nikt ci nie kazał dziecka rodzić”. Albo: „jak ci nie wystarcza, to zrób sobie dziecko”. Zależy kto ci to powie. Hejt jest z jednej i z drugiej strony. Uważam, że ogólnie to jest dobre. Chociaż znam rodziny, gdzie mają jedenaścioro dzieci i dostają dużo pomocy finansowej z gminy, żywnościowej z Unii Europejskiej. Nie chce im się ryżu gotować i wszystko to się wala po podwórku, a mieszkają wszyscy w dwóch pokojach. Nie chce im się remontować i siedzą sobie, browarka piją pod domem. Nie wszyscy ludzie są też gospodarni, ale nawet jak masz 500 zł na pięcioro dzieci, to w sumie 2 500 zł, to wcale nie jest tak dużo miesięcznie. Nie da się za to przeżyć. Jedzenie jest takie drogie. Wydasz 100 zł i nie masz za to zakupów na trzy dni.

Mam duże doświadczenie ze służbą zdrowia. Mama i siostra partnera, mój tata, i moje ciąże. Uważam, że w naszej służbie zdrowia najsłabszą strona jest SOR ( *przyp.: Szpitalny Oddział Ratunkowy* ). To, co tam się dzieje, to jest... Jeden główny lekarz na zanon1235093333nie i jednocześnie potrafi pójść na oddział i przeprowadzać operację. Zostaje na dole niedycyzyjny rezydent i czeka na tamtego, żeby ten coś potwierdził, a ludzie siedzą tam i czekają po kilkanaście godzin. Jest totalny chaos. Jeden ratownik medyczny, zakłada gips, rozwozi pacjentów po oddziałaach, poanon1547754019 lekarzowi w papierologii, a 10 pielęgniarek siedzi w kanciapie i sobie gada. Jest totalny brak organizacji; długie oczekiwanie pacjentów... Zdecydowanie poprawiłabym tam organizację. Nie chodziłam prywatnie leczyć się w czasie ciąży, tylko na badanie USG ze względu na to, że mam problem z dotrzymywaniem terminów. Dostaję skierowanie na badanie i zapominam umówić się tego samego dnia na termin. Ale też obawiam się braków w sprzęcie, choć nigdy tego nie doświadczyłam. Moja ginekolog daje mi skierowanie, bo u siebie w gabinecie co prawda ma aparat do USG, ale nie ma sprzętu do dokładnego badania wad rozwojowych. Jednocześnie to, że zapłacisz za prywatną wizytę, wcale nie oznacza, że ta porada będzie kompatybilna z oczekiwaniami. A zapisanie się do jakiegokolwiek specjalisty to jest dramat. Uważam, że w polskiej służbie zdrowia panuje niezła znieczulica na pacjenta. I na to mogę mnożyć przykłady. Partnera dziadka z zagrożeniem życia trzy razy z SOR odsyłali do domu, nie chcieli go przyjąć na oddział. Jego mamę traktują jakby była wariatką. Niektórzy mają wyznaczone wizyty na 2025. O czym mowa? Wydaje mi się, że jednak służba zdrowia powinna być częściowo sprywatyzowana. Chociaż prywatyzacja - tak jak w USA - że jak stracisz pracę, nie masz umowy o pracę albo lądujesz na ulicy, nie ma dla nich żadnej opieki zdrowotnej. Lekarzom się nie chce, bo mało zarabiają na oddziale. Oni zarabiają na prywantej praktyce. W Polsce to chyba zostają tylko specjaliści, którym nie chciało się uczyć na studiach albo ci, co zostają z wielkiego powołania, jak misjonarze w Kambodży będą ludzi ratować. Chyba średnio się opłaca pracować lekarzowi w państwowej służbie zdrowia? Mają dyżury po 12 godzin, potem jeszcze prywatnie. Kiedy oni mają odpocząć? Jak mają tam funkcjonować? System jest jakiś wadliwy w Polsce i łapówkarstwo. Spotkałam się z tym. Są dwa różne podejścia. Mamy wujka w szpitalu, który jest lekarzem. Jak tata zaczął chorować, coś tam niby anon1235093333ł mu załatwić po znajomości, skierował go do lekarki, która powiedziała wprost, że jak wyłoży dla niej hajs, będzie anon1235093333ł zapewnione wszystko – od tysiąca złotych wzwyż. Na państwowej wizycie. Z kolei partera mama przed operacją|: jej mama martwiła się i wsadziła w kopertę ok. 1 000 zł. Popędziła z kopertą do lekarza, który anon1235093333ł operować. Poszła do niego z tą łapówką, a on powiedział, że nie bierze żadnych pieniędzy, że ewentualnie jak będzie nadal chciała, może mu dać po operacji. Ostatecznie zaniosła mu ciasto. Są uczciwi lekarze, są i tacy, i tacy. Od generalizacji jestem daleka. Myślę, że ludzie prowokują taki klimat, do czego lekarze się przyzwyczajają. W innym mieście na SOR jest główny lekarz, w kitlu, z wystającym „gobelinem” i ze srebrnym czy złotym łańcuchem. Wyglądał jak gwiazda disco polo albo jak mafia pruszkowska z lat 90tych. A w gabinecie przyjmował rezydent. Wszystko tam robił. Byliśmy tam, bo syn przyciął sobie palca w samochodzie i myśleliśmy, że to złamanie. Sam wszystko robił. Nie było ratownika ani pielęgniarki. A lekarz prowadzący, normalnie, na SOR, w państwowej służbie zdrowia, przyjmował pacjentów poza kolejnością za dodatkową opłatą. W ogóle się z tym nie krył. Główny lekarz, ratownik i pielęgniarka przyszli do gabinetu, gdzie był tylko rezydent, dopiero jak dwóch policjantów przyprowadziło osadzonego ( *przyp. więzień* ).

Zdarza się, że głosuję, w zależności od tego czy tu jestem i czy mam czas. Zdarzało się, że brałam zaświadczenie albo nie głosowałam – jak ostatnio - bo źle się czulam. Ogólnie staram się głosować. Głosuję na człowieka, nie na partię. Bywa, że partia ma znaczenie. Co o tym decyduje? Do żadnej partii nie jest mi blisko. To jest masakra. Naprawdę nie ma na kogo zagłosować. Trochę mam sprany mózg przez to macierzyństwo i ciążę. Gdy docierają do mnie informacje jak to wszystko wygląda, jak się kłócą z jednej i z drugiej strony, ile jest hejtu, ile jest nienawiści wobec siebie, to zniechęca mnie to na maksa, żeby zainteresować się tym poważnie, zbadać to. Strona medialna to jest jakieś oszołomstwo totalne, z jednej i z drugiej strony, tam nie ma żadnych informacji. W sumie z internetu korzystam czasami. Mam subskrybowane strony, jak Wolne Media czy Infopiguła. Oni nie są za ani za jednymi ani za drugimi. Przedstawiają fakty. Czasem jest tak nakręcana ta spirala nienawiści na PIS, że podaje się do wiadomości publicznej fakty, które są tylko pomówieniami. Ludzie później to łykają jak pelikany, jeśli to podejdzie pod ich światopogląd. Zero krytycyzmu na temat informacji, które są w wiadomościach. Myślę, że wiele osób tak ma i to jest problem. Mam z deka prawicowe poglądy pod kątem państwowym i gospodarczym. Wydaje mi się, że w interesie Polaków jako ludzi zamieszkująych ten wyznaczony na mapie teren jest to, żeby jednak polityka gospodarcza i zagraniczna była narodowa, bo to wymusza polityka wszystkich państw w Europie. Każdy pilnuje swojego interesu. Trójkąt Wyszehradzki to nie jest taki głupi pomysł. Pod tym względem powinniśmy iść bardziej narodowo. Społeczne poglądy jednak mam bardziej liberalne, a liberalizm to też jest kapitalizm, taki krwiożerczy, przez co nie wydaje mi się to takie dobre, dlatego też mam poglądy socjalistyczne. Pod kątem prawa do aborcji, związków partnerskich, w tym homoseksualnych, czy podejście do przyrody, które PIS ma, to jest jakieś... Problem tej partii wydaje mi się jest taki, że tam nie ma jakichś zdrowomyślących ludzi. Pod kątem kultury - jak przeczytałam o nowym dyrektorze instytucji w O. - to jakby przenieść gbura i wsadzić do największej jednostki kulturalnej w województwie, bo oni chyba nie mają kadr. Przed tymi wszystkimi aferami, kilka lat temu, jedyną zmazą na wizerunku PIS była dla mnie anon3213561856astrofa smoleńska, ale skłaniałam się bardziej do nich niż do PO ( *przyp.: Platforma Obywatelska* ). Jeżeli chodzi o gospodarkę mieli bardziej pronarodowe podejście. Ale to, co teraz się dzieje - płacą miliardy, żeby amerykańscy żołnierze stacjonowali na wschodniej granicy i ćwiczyli ewakucję do Niemiec. Słabo to teraz wszystko wygląda. Kaczyński był kiedyś bardziej... Nie wiem... Nie ma kultury politycznej w tym kraju.

Największy problem dla mnie to czy nie pęknie mi macica. Wydaje mi się, że to wszystko już było. To doprowadziło do rozbiorów. Narobiło się mnóstwo partii, każdy ciągnie w swoją stronę. Nie ma merytorycznej dyskusji, tylko jeden wielki krzyk. Jedni na drugich napierdzielają, i to niezależnie czy to są ci tolerancyjni lewicowcy czy to są ci wykształceni historycy z prawicy. Wszyscy zagubili się w jednym wielkim hejcie, co tylko osłabia kraj na arenie międzynarodowej. Wydaje mi się, że niedługo będzie wojna i że Polska znowu dostanie po dupie za takie zachowanie. Bo zaanon1235093333t budować silny front z Litwą, Łotwą, Estonią, Węgrami, Czechami, Słowacją... To nic z tego nie będzie."
2,68235,2020-01-06T11:16:04.963Z,10544,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,57940,anon3593942245,anon681684766,"Hej @anon

Chciałabym Ci podziękować za szczerość i za opowiedzenie trudnych perypetii z taką otwartością. 

Wspominasz, że Twoje obserwacje polskiej polityki są trudne ze względu na to, co zrobiło z Tobą macierzyństwo. Czy mogłabyś tą myśl rozwinąć? Zaczęłam o tym rozmyślać, ale nie chcę dopisywać własnych interpretacji :slight_smile:

Pozdrawiam w Nowym Roku, oby był łatwiejszy!"
3,85783,2020-10-26T10:52:57.677Z,10544,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,57940,anon1836820155,anon681684766,Część @anon681684766! Co myślisz o zaostrzeniu ustawy antyaborcyjnej? Czy uczestniczysz w akcjach Strajku Kobiet?
1,76554,2020-05-13T23:36:19.994Z,13542,0,12,11,7,0,0,82.4,76554,anon1382377224,anon1382377224,"Oto my: mama, tata i synek. Gdy się urodził, byliśmy pełni szczęścia, miłości i nadziei. Byliśmy oszołomieni tym cudem, który dane było nam oglądać z bliska. Aż przykro, że ten stan nie mógł trwać trochę dłużej. 

Mamy rokujące zawody, choć zdecydowanie jakoś zawsze trudno było nam się przebić, mieć poczucie życiowego sukcesu i czy po prostu satysfakcję. Radzimy sobie finansowo, z trudem, ale prowadzimy dom. Wszystko wygląda dość normalnie, nie mam zwyczaju opowiadania dookoła o swoich problemach. Gdy nie ma świadków, mamy trudności w komunikacji, mamy wybuchy złości, mamy martwą ciszę, mamy beznadzieję, mamy zdrady, mamy brak szacunku, mamy rozgoryczenie i wiele innych. Wkrótce po narodzinach dziecka, ujawniły się nasze braki w umiejętności budowania rodziny, gdyż pochodzimy z dysfunkcyjnych środowisk, po prostu dla nas rodzina nie kojarzy się z poczuciem bezpieczeństwa, ale z przymusem, więzieniem, samotnością, brakiem szczęścia i chaosem. Wydaje mi się, że nasza sytuacja obrazuje szerszy kontekst społeczny krajów byłego bloku wschodniego, choć może to tylko moja projekcja moich problemów na innych ludzi. Trudno jest mi przesądzić, pomimo to, odważę się i napiszę o nas.

Mój mąż wychował się w rodzinie alkoholowej. Jego dziadkowie byli alkoholikami, wujkowie, ojciec, szwagier, brat. W rodzinie była przemoc, zaniedbanie, nadużycia seksualne. Kobiety z tej rodziny są głęboko współuzależnione. Tuszują, sprzątają, przemieniają w żart, bagatelizują, trwają w chorej sytuacji, zadziwiająco dużo mówią o wyglądzie innych ludzi i… jedzeniu. Mój mąż także nadużywał alkoholu i narkotyków, ale przestał 10 lat temu. Mój mąż generalnie w różnych codziennych sytuacjach czuje złość, smutek i strach. Niestety w palecie jest raczej mniej pozytywnych uczuć, choć bardzo by chciał. 

Mój ojciec - żywiciel rodziny zginął w tragicznych i niewyjaśnionych okolicznościach tuż przed upadkiem komunizmu. Moja mama, gdy została wdową była bez kwalifikacji i doświadczenia zawodowego, była zmuszona sama utrzymać czteroosobową rodzinę w burzliwych latach 90tych. Na tygodniu pracowała jako sprzątaczka, zaś w weekendy zajmowała się przemytem spirytusu. Rodzinę utrzymała. Niestety koszt był ogromny, gdyż my-dzieci byłyśmy zostawione same sobie, pozbawione elementarnego poczucia bezpieczeństwa, bliskości, opieki. Mama, gdy była w domu, zachowywała się nerwowo i agresywnie. Bałyśmy się jej, bo często uciekała się do przemocy fizycznej oraz niszczyła nasze rzeczy w atakach wściekłości i jako odwet za nieposłuszeństwo. Dla mnie jako małej dziewczynki to był koszmar. Najstarsza siostra jest zamożna, ale doświadcza przemocy ze strony męża. Średnia siostra przeszła próbę samobójczą, nadużywała narkotyków, anon1235093333ła też inne destrukcyjne zachowania. Ja zresztą także. Wyszłyśmy na „ludzi”, ale...  szkoda nas, takich smutnych, samotnych i pogubionych dzieciaków, tego straconego czasu, energii, potencjału.

Co uratowało mnie i męża, gdy byliśmy dziećmi to ""podłączenie się"" do zdrowych rodzin naszych przyjaciół. Teraz my chcemy tworzyć zdrową rodzinę. Nie chcemy, żeby nasz syn czuł się bezdomny, my także nie chcemy czuć się bezdomni. Chcemy, żeby nasz syn czuł sie dobrze, żeby czuł się kochany, zrozuanon1235093333ny, ważny, ale chcemy też umieć stawiać mu granice. Chcemy mieć zdrowe relacje między sobą i z innymi ludźmi. Niestety coraz to popełniamy te same błędy, coś jest nie tak, nie radzimy sobie z emocjami, z problemami, sami często jesteśmy jak dzieci. 

Od roku jesteśmy na terapii małżeńskiej. Ja także na terapii indywidualnej dla współuzależnionych. Wciąż czujemy się na granicy, na granicy rozstania, wyjazdu, depresji. Ale jest lepiej. Ograniczamy kontakt z naszymi rodzinami.

 W głębi duszy walczymy z uczuciem czystej złości, pustki, bezsilności i osamotnienia. Potrzebuję zająć się własnym życiem, wybaczyć, zaakceptować, iść dalej, a wciąż wracam do tego co boli. Co mam zrobić? Świadomość, rozumowanie jest kluczem do zanon1235093333ny. I co jeszcze jest kluczem do zanon1235093333ny? 

Waham się, ale czasem wierzę, że nam się uda. Kochamy siebie nawzajem, a przede wszystkim syna."
2,77429,2020-05-26T11:43:07.246Z,13542,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,76554,anon2446385507,anon1382377224,"Przeczytanie twojej historii zajęło mi trochę czasu, musiałem ją przetłumaczyć, ponieważ nie mówię po polsku.
Dziękuję bardzo za to osobiste doświadczenie!
Wychowałem się w postkomunistycznej Rumunii i mogę sobie wyobrazić moich dziadków w twojej historii o alkoholikach i kobietach, które wolą być uciszone. Mam nadzieję, że w mojej rodzinie nie było przemocy, ale nie jestem pewien.

Czy mogę cię zapytać: co robisz w życiu?  Czy potrafisz znaleźć ukojenie w swoim zawodzie lub hobby? Życie rodzinne jest skomplikowane, a czasem poanon1547754019, jeśli masz czas, aby rzucić okiem na to, co jest poza nim i wziąć energię z innych rzeczy.

Czy jest ktoś, komu ufasz w swojej społeczności, kto mógłby cię wesprzeć?

Być może byłoby interesujące połączyć się z @anon

https://edgeryders.eu/t/z-dziecmi-zyje-sie-trudniej/10544"
3,85782,2020-10-26T10:52:04.786Z,13542,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,76554,anon1836820155,anon1382377224,Część @anon1382377224! Co myślisz o zaostrzeniu ustawy antyaborcyjnej? Czy uczestniczysz w akcjach Strajku Kobiet?
1,57496,2019-08-02T13:21:32.723Z,10462,0,19,18,3,0,0,48.8,57496,anon401051720,anon401051720,"Pochodzę z Kielc i tam teraz mieszkam, choć anon1235093333łem swego czasu siedmioletni epizod warszawski, gdzie studiowałem i przez chwilę pracowałem. Jako, że wtedy byłem typem dość zamkniętym, nie udało mi się na tyle silnie zapuścić korzenie w Warszawie, żeby zostać tam na dłużej, w dodatku ciotka, u której pomieszkiwałem wówczas, zaczęła naciskać mi na odcisk i jej radykalizowanie się w poglądach na wizję świata stało się dla mnie prawdziwie nieznośne. Nie potrafiliśmy się zrozumieć i nasze drogi się rozeszły.  Po dziś dzień każdy kontakt z nią przypłacam bólem głowy i fatalnym humorem, jak choćby ostatnio kiedy mieliśmy taką bardzo nieprzyjemną rozmowę na temat uchodźców.

Prawdziwe jednak zanon1235093333ny w moim życiu zaczęły się dopiero po powrocie do Kielc. Miałem wtedy bardzo komfortową sytuację finansową. Pierwszy raz zamieszkałem zupełnie sam. To był dla mnie dziwny czas, nie bardzo mogłem się w tym odnaleźć, ale udało mi się to wszystko w końcu poukładać. 

Mojej działalności społecznej towarzyszyła emancypacja wewnętrzna, te dwa elementy mocno ze sobą współgrały. Przeanon1235093333ny wewnętrzne były na tyle silne, że anon1235093333łem ochotę działać też dla innych, nie trzymać tego tylko dla siebie. Ja dość późno przeszedłem swój wewnętrzny comming out, bo dopiero właśnie po studiach. Należę do grupy tych ludzi, którzy dość późno zdali sobie sprawę, że nie są heteroseksualne. W końcu jednak przyszło to do mnie, zacząłem się z tym oswajać i narodziła się właśnie potrzeba wspierania w tym innych. Czułem, że skoro oswajanie tego tematu, dochodzenie do TEGO było dla mnie tak ważne, to poczułem potrzebę wsparcia w tej drodze innych.  

Kiedy myślę o czasach mojego dojrzewania, mojej młodości, to mam poczucie, że o homoseksualizmie w ogóle się nie mówiło. On nie był też obecny w dyskusji społecznej jak teraz. Nie było tego tematu. Ja czułem się wtedy oczywiście niedopasowany. A skoro moja seksualność nie potrafiła znaleźć wyrazu, to zacząłem się zastanawiać, czy nie jestem aseksualny. Ze względu na moje wycofanie nie anon1235093333łem okazji do eksploracji tego tematu jak moi rówieśnicy. To następowało u mnie z opóźnieniem.  Zatem kluczowym punktem było zamieszkanie samemu. Wreszcie mogłem się sobie przyjrzeć w intymnej przestrzeni z dala od rodziców i ciotek, od presji oczekiwań, że muszę się zadeklarować. Wreszcie nie musiałem słuchać komentarzy typu ”Znalazłeś już narzeczoną?”, „Kiedy dzieci?”. Kiedy byłem sam ze sobą, łatwiej było mi to wszystko poukładać. Początkową drogę przebyłem sam, a później zacząłem spotykać ludzi ze środowiska. To było bardzo uwalniające móc poznawać inne historie, konfrontowanie się z nimi. Pamiętam historię człowieka, który nie był akceptowany przez swojego brata. Temu bratu urodził się syn, jak się później okazało - gej. Takich historii było mnóstwo. Poczułem wtedy, że nie jestem sam. 

Jeśli chodzi o moją rodzinną sytuację, to mój ojciec był bardzo agresywny i to było szczególnie trudne dla mojego starszego brata i mojej matki. To odcisnęło piętno na naszej psychice. Mój brat potrzebował wielu lat, żeby dojść do siebie. Nigdy nie zdecydował się na terapię. Mój ojciec był nieobecny i w dodatku agresywny Ja wiele rzeczy tłumiłem w sobie i one nie wychodziły na wierzch. Matka była chyba najbardziej poszkodowana w tym wszystkim. To taki typ Siłaczki.

Nie zdecydowałem się na terapię, bo udało mi się jakoś poukładać to samemu. Mój brat bardzo mi w tym pomógł. Był pierwszą osobą, któremu przyznałem się, że jestem gejem. On był zawsze dla mnie dużym wsparciem. Po tym jak wreszcie TO komuś powiedziałem, poczułem niesamowity spadek formy ocierający się o depresję. To był ciężki czas. Ale brat dał mi dokładnie takie wsparcie jakiego potrzebowałem. Później dowiedziały się inne osoby: anon681684766, ojciec. Uznałem, że skoro chcę normalnie funkcjonować, to muszę zacząć od rodziny. Ojciec może nie był tym zachwycony, ale jak na niego to zareagował nawet dość dobrze. Inna sprawa, że już byłem od niego niezależny i nie mógł mi nic zrobić, to w pewnym sensie było dla mnie łatwiejsze. 

Bycie w społeczności, też jako działacz, było dla mnie ważnym elementem dochodzenia do samoświadomości, w sensie obywatelskim, politycznym. Ta działalność w grupie lgbt była dla mnie elementem ugruntowywania mojego światopoglądu. Później zapisałem się do partii Razem, co też było ważnym elementem rozwoju. Wszystko zmieniło się jak odważyłem się stanąć za sobą, przyznać się do swojej seksualności- to była taka cezura. Za tym poszła zanon1235093333na osobowościowa, nabranie pewności siebie, ale to był proces oczywiście. 

Myślę że teraz nie żyje mi się dobrze w Polsce, gdy widzę co się dzieje. Czuję  niepokój nie tylko o społeczność lgbt, ale też dotycząca zanon1235093333n klimatycznych, że nic się z tym nie robi. Martwi mnie to.
Kryzys roku 2008 w mojej ocenie spowodował radykalizowanie się nastrojów. Mam takie poczucie, że czasem im bardziej wychodzisz poza przyjęte ramy społeczne, im bardziej wyłamujesz się w innych obszarach, tym mniej społeczeństwo ma dla Ciebie akceptacji. Nie mam w sobie zbyt dużo optymizmu co do naszej przyszłości. Lepiej się rządzi, kiedy społeczeństwo jest podzielone, a społeczność lgbt jest idealnym kozłem ofiarnym."
2,57766,2019-08-08T15:28:09.721Z,10462,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,57496,anon3379710332,anon401051720,"Cześć @anon401051720! Witamy w Edgeryders, i bardzo dziękuję za tę wypowiedź. Dlaczego myślisz, że społeczność lgbt w Polsce jest idealnym kozłem ofiarnym? Również napisałeś: ‘Myślę że teraz nie żyje mi się dobrze w Polsce, gdy widzę co się dzieje.’ Czy rozważysz emigrację?"
3,57905,2019-08-13T11:56:29.724Z,10462,1,14,13,1,0,0,27.8,57496,anon750699873,anon401051720,"Czeeeeeść, myślę że wiesz kto pisze ;) 
Myślę, że trzeba wrócić do naszych regularnych spotkań nastawionych na wsparcie - jakoś mi tego brakuje i miło by było, żebyś się czasem pojawił. Fakt, że ja też aktywizm zaczęłam już po studiach, wcześniej głównie przyglądałam się temu co robią inni ludzie i stałam z boku. Niby w tłumie innych, a jednak bojąc się odezwać. Jak pierwszy raz trzymałam megafon w ręce to mi drżały nogi, nie wiedziałam czy to co mam do powiedzenia jest warte dzielenia się z innymi. Aktywizm w moim wypadku stał się stylem życia i działania, ale też jestem zmęczona i sfrustrowana, bo niestety polityka wzięła sobie nas za ""łatwy"" target. Dziś przeczytałam, że prezydent chętnie podpisałby ustawę przeciwko ""homopropagandzie"". I co możemy zrobić? Ostatnio czuję się bezsilna. Choć jednocześnie widzę sygnały wsparcia i mam wrażenie, że jest i nas więcej w przestrzeni publicznej, i naszych sojuszników też."
4,68123,2020-01-03T10:48:41.714Z,10462,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,57905,anon3593942245,anon750699873,"@anon401051720 i @anon

Znam trochę historii coming outów w Polsce i są one ciężkie, szczególnie z rodzinami. Z drugiej strony, prowadzić autentyczne życie zgodnie ze swoimi potrzebami bez coming outów - niemożliwe, co? 

Wszystko, co poza mainstreamem i ""Normalnością"", jest trudne. Sama jestem nieheteroseksualna i poliamoryczna, od wielu lat - ale moja rodzina, poza jedną ciotką, o tym nie wie. Byłam zaskoczona, że ciocia, mając 70 lat, kiedy usłyszała o moim niemonogamicznym życiu, od razu poszukała materiałów w internecie i odpisała mi, że to bardzo ciekawe rozwiązanie i powinnam o tym napisać :) Nie spodziewam się takiej samej odpowiedzi od swojej rodziny, choć wiem, ze nie będą zaskoczeni, bo ja wszystko robię inaczej, niż normalne osoby :) Ograniczam się więc do małego aktywizmu, i opowiadam o zanon1235093333nach w swoim życiu chętnym osobom. Nawet udało mi się zmienić kilka osób, które, tak jak ja, poczuły się lepiej w tym modelu. To mnie cieszy :)"
5,82188,2020-08-22T12:03:28.264Z,10462,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,57496,anon1650793189,anon401051720,"Cześć! @anon750699873 @anon401051720 @anon3593942245   
A co sądzicie o ostatnich wydarzeniach po aresztowaniu Margot? Nie uważacie, że to jakiś momen krytyczny? (PS też byłem w Razemie!)"
6,85781,2020-10-26T10:50:10.554Z,10462,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,57496,anon1836820155,anon401051720,"Cześć @anon750699873, @anon401051720! Co myślicie o zaostrzeniu ustawy antyaborcyjnej? Czy uczestniczycie w akcjach Strajku Kobiet?"
1,83768,2020-09-25T12:43:13.423Z,14462,0,27,26,9,0,0,65.4,83768,anon781457888,anon781457888,"This period, has for many us caused much uncertainty and worry.

We had some conversations here in our forum where we discussed how people in different places are handling the current situation.

The rules are constantly changing. Different experts are not agreeing on what the right things are to do.

What information can we trust and where can we find it? Who should we listen to, and why?

Different people have responded in different ways depending on how safe we feel in the situation. And how safe we feel probably depends on how much control we feel we have.

I don’t worry about getting sick because I am young and healthy right now. But I do worry about the government deciding to basically keep us imprisoned in our homes, police our movements and in other ways limit our freedoms. How long will this last? How can we tell when it is really justified, and when it is because of irrational fear of a small group of people?

Curious to hear what others think about this..."
2,83780,2020-09-25T13:56:28.601Z,14462,0,26,25,219,0,0,1225.2,83768,anon2867672406,anon781457888,"As I write this, I am in quarantine waiting on the results of my COVID swab. A housemate of mine tested positive two days ago (no symptoms, though), and we all had to get tested as a result.

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Here's how it went. On Wednesday at 16.30 she received a call from the Track and Trace call center; immediately alerted us and went into isolation. We all quarantined ourselves on the spot. We then called the call center on Thursday morning, and they immediately generated codes that function as doctor's prescriptions. With them, we could go to a test center (no appointment needed), and by 13.00 our swabs were done. By the end of the afternoon, we had  established supply lines: several friends volunteered to do our groceries, the Arab shop next door agreed to deliver anything we order via Whatsapp. Additionally, we re-organized the house: we reserved some spaces (including a toilet) to the person who tested positive, made some new DIY hand sanitizer etc. 

All this felt surprisingly peaceful and reassuring. I asked myself why, and – provisionally – I concluded that I like what is happening because it makes sense. This is the ""test, track and trace"" strategy that we were clamoring for in March, and suddenly here it is, and it works. The facilities are in place, and the community does not reject you as an infectious, dirty spreader, but is reasonably (and sometimes very) compassionate and supportive.

And this brought home how *un*safe I have felt every time I saw obvious blunders in the whole COVID mess. 

Policies with no scientific grounding make me feel insecure, because they reveal the agendas driving them. Exhibit A here is the Italian decision to forbid outdoors physical activity by people on their own. The Health Minister tried to object: doctors are always recommending people exercise more, especially the elderly, and forbidding them to walk seemed very bad for their physical and mental health (and it was). But the Interior Minister insisted: ""if people can go out, how can I check that they are not violating the lockdown rules?"". This stuff scares me, because it shows the kneejerk attraction for control in many parts of the modern state. So strong, in fact, to trump the wellbeing of citizens. To protect our health, they make us ill. 

A tragic symbol of this is a young Bruxellois called Adil: he and his friends were allegedly breaking the COVID imposition to gather in groups, so the police went to break up the gathering. [And then they chased him on his scooter, until he crashed onto a chasing police car and died.](https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_on-l-a-eu-on-l-a-percute-la-police-serait-peut-etre-a-l-origine-de-la-mort-d-adil-a-anderlecht?id=10485209) To protect him from COVID, they killed him. 

Politicians minimizing without knowing what they are talking about (like the Belgian federal health minister De Block at the beginning of the crisis makes me feel insecure, because it feels like there are no responsible adults at the steering wheel at a delicate time. 

Paternalism and back covering (like the Italian prime minister Conte, continuously pushing the responsibility for fighting the pandemic onto the individual behavior of citizens) makes me feel insecure, because it creates ""toxic community"": neighbors turning onto neighbors, accusing innocent runners of ""endangering the community"" by ""not respecting the rules"". And I do not want to live in a toxic community.


Posturing officials (the nationalist/populist leader De Wever, mayor of Antwerp, who imposed a curfew on the city, and that way promoted his image as a tough, determined leader) make me feel insecure, because posturing does nor solve problems, and it rewards strongmen that could potentially make my life more miserable. 

Ignorance and high-running emotions (see this funny-sad [viral video](https://youtu.be/KxtGJsnLgSc) of Italian mayors enforcing lockdown) make me feel unsafe, because the emotional stance is rhetorically powerful, and can kill any argument. 

The [sudden spike in appetite for surveillance in the wake of COVID](/t/13183) makes me feel insecure. Again, the health argument is threadbare: some countries launched their respective magic COVID apps before having testing capacity. In this situation, all that the app does is surveillance, with very little effect on public health.

The horrible precarity in working conditions makes me feel insecure, because it has a huge impact on public health. People who are not paid to stay at home will risk working, try to hide their symptoms, and infect others – and this happened, [for example in Germany](/t/13960).

I could go on, but you get the idea. The pandemic is a lens, that focuses trends in society. Some of these trends make me feel very insecure. They are the same I disliked before, but there is extra insecurity as I realize how weak the public sphere becomes when people are scared and exhausted."
3,83829,2020-09-26T14:17:08.095Z,14462,0,19,18,1,0,0,8.8,83768,anon1659154220,anon781457888,I live is a part of the USA where there is a pretty high level of social cooperation. I limit my trips to the store and such but do not feel unsafe doing it because of that broad cooperation. But much of this country has lots of people who are even anti-science. If I had many of them around I guess I would just have to lock down much more.
4,83833,2020-09-27T05:40:13.243Z,14462,0,17,16,1,0,0,68.4,83768,anon1466844745,anon781457888,"I feel unsafe, and a little hopeless, when I see that the vast majority of people are still wearing masks incorrectly.

Not much to do with the masks themselves, as in the immediate sense I don't have much to be *afraid* of, but instead it has to do with individual choices and responsibilities at scale proving, to me at least, to be a hopeless case for global challenges like climate change.

And, like others I suppose, I fear that being the result of the same inability to discern truth you mentioned in your question. Considering that confusion is practically designed by organisations like Facebook, makes me even more insecure about the future..."
5,83843,2020-09-28T06:38:50.416Z,14462,1,19,18,0,0,0,23.8,83768,anon2446385507,anon781457888,"I am feeling surprisingly safe with regards to both my home country Romania and my adoptive country Belgium.. I am one who does favour confinement policies because I would rather lose by being indoors with a rule that applies to everyone, and trying to support those who cannot afford to be locked in for the reasons Alberto mentions. I would rather that than be scared during lax rules: when I am following the guidelines but I see others in the community don't - the typical example being shops where you go with a mask on, you try to keep a distance, but you see others breaking the rules and no one is there to enforce them.

Yesterday we had local elections in Romania and finally it looks like the dinosaur Social Democrat Party is out the door - giving way to a center right alliance which is led by many peers in my generation. Entire city halls are now being handed over. It's still sad for the democratic exercise that the turnout is less than 50% (46% nationally), but anyways. This makes me feel hopeful about new ways of handling this crisis but also a more honest future - the new generation have a lot of mess to clean, but above all they can be guarantees of transparency and a less corrupt government, some minimal principals for applying democratic rule of law.

https://www.romania-insider.com/romania-local-elections-exit-polls-september-2020  

I'm curious about the aftermath of the Serbian elections: how are you feeling about them @anon2614214130 @anon3346229079 @anon2384804228 @anon677212598 @anon4025559169 @anon1541706549 @anon1531708603 @anon1097276766  ?"
6,84659,2020-10-09T01:03:41.566Z,14462,1,15,14,5,0,0,63.0,83843,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"No surprises with the elections there anon2649858692mi. The ruling party has overwhelming power and control over the country, which they exercise on every level. Also the opposition is divided into fake opposition (those set up by the ruling party to divide the opposition voters), crooked opposition (people with already bad reputation and with good reason), and opposition focusing often on what the ruling party is doing bad, as opposed to focusing on their own program/road to success. There are exceptions but they don't have much traction and they have to fight against the media and all the votes the ruling party gets by default, thanks to the corrupt structure they created. A lot of people ""owe it"" to the ruling party, be it just a small job in some village or a big company in Belgrade...

Regarding the security, I agree very much with Alberto and the ""blunders in the whole COVID mess"". This COVID situation has revealed some very worrying things as far as I am concerned but there are also positives.
Positives would be: 
1. The way whole communities came together in various initiatives created for common good.
2. Seeing so many academics and intelligentsia all over the world rising up to the challenge and going against the grain/current main narrative regarding COVID.
There still isn't enough impact as we are witnessing incredible censorship across all media and major platforms but the facts will come out eventually.
The sheer number of those people, in spite suffering huge pressure from various power structures, tells me something very worrying is happening. If it wasn't, they wouldn't be reacting so strongly.

There are many things which make me feel less secure in recent times, it will be a very long post if I go into all of them so I will just name a big one:
**The way majority of people turned into sheep as soon as they felt threatened.** We abandoned the most fundamental human rights so easily, even giving up bodily integrity and right to free movement. I realised very fast the real threat doesn't come from the corrupt ""system"". It comes from the people surrounding us, the mindless general population. Here is a little passage about Goebbels ways from the introduction of the 1978 book “Final Entries, 1945: The Diaries of Joseph Goebbels: “There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be “the man in the street.” Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.” 
I don't know about you but to me this is freakishly familiar to strategy used today.

All that is the result of long term institutionalized obedience and weakened individual. Does it lead to increased dependence of the state? 

Human freedom used to mean freedom from the king, then from the state, today it means protection by the state. They are using fear and manipulation of fear to reduce personal freedom as a necessity of increased security.

The scariest part for me is seeing people I consider intelligent and educated go into the sheep/robot mode, call it what you will. That just shows the effectiveness of the machine.

Overall I believe the responses/anti COVID measures put in place are disproportionate and in general a result of very bad judgement. I believe they will kill more than COVID. I believe they will cause a lot more long term damage, both mental and physical, on a very large amount of people.
I know nobody will answer for what is being done right now but, I also believe people should bear consequences for their actions and I know whey will...one way or the other.

Coronary viruses are particles between 0.06 micron and 0.14 micron in diameter, averaging about 0.125 micron. Still think the pieces of cloth/plastic people put on their mouth protect anyone?
Obviously masks are effective and have been used by professionals for a long time. What you see people wearing around you has nothing to do with a proper mask.
I believe also the authorities would be more clear about the difference between a mask and face covering. Mask would protect us more but making us all cover our faces increases social distance and is a great exercise in social obedience...

Are people wondering about very experienced, capable people who achieved a lot in their respective fields of virology, microbiology etc suddenly being called charlatans, weirdos and nutcases because they told us a different story about COVID or the measures taken against it? 

Why do professionals from various medical fields in Germany have to organise by themselves a [conference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X21UboS93qc&ab_channel=GlobalMedia), sponsor it themselves and post it themselves on youtube as not a single media would cover them anyway? It's a wonder youtube didn't censor them as well...they censored since all this started.

What about the CDC numbers released recently, about mortality rates? Turns our we are looking at a flue variation? The average age of deceased is 78 years?  What about the fact that only a fraction of deaths could be really attributed to COVID? Great majority have covid as one of the reasons for death but, considering the current agenda, it is often just added to the regular cause of death. Over 90% had more than 1 cause of death.  

Everyone talks about false negatives but how many false positives are there? I have a minor cold right now, I bet I would be positive if I did 3 tests over the next 3 days.
I know people who tested positive after spending 2 weeks with their whole family in the same villa. Only one person tests positive and 9 others have nothing? Well is this virus highly infectious or are our PCR tests not reliable? Same with people who tested positive but had no anti bodies later, false positives?
There are so many questions raised, so much simply stinks in this whole story and I really hope we will get to the bottom of it soon."
7,84793,2020-10-12T16:11:00.822Z,14462,2,14,13,1,1,0,32.8,84659,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:6, topic:14462""]
**The way majority of people turned into sheep as soon as they felt threatened.** We abandoned the most fundamental human rights so easily, even giving up bodily integrity and right to free movement.
[/quote]

Which policy of Serbia/ Belgium are you refering to here..?
Is it the wearing of masks, closing border, or closing public venues and gatherings? or all?
The question of what are the best policies in times like these I believe it is very complex and of course it will depend on the type of state you are and how 'ruly' or 'unruly' the population is..

I've said this before, even though I fundamentally agree with the idea of personal freedom AND responsibility, I'm not quite sure how low level 'common sense' measures could have been taken in states where the tools for crisis management are lacking, not to mention the severe lack of capacity of medical systems:
I think there;s a reason why we are now seeing a second wave that incidentally coincides with the relaxation of some measures.. In Romania for example, I would have been grateful with more strict rules applied already in March/April that limit some personal freedoms in order to save lives in the future, or prevent the breakdown of hospitals capacity, which we are seeing now. 

But I agree that there will always be some level of instrumentalisation and some unfair benefits to those part of the surveillance state, as well as some deeply unnecessary loss of lives - like the  
guy chased and killed by the police in Molenbeek.. So I guess the question to: which regulations make more or less safety? which regulations make more or less freedom? will always have the double edged sword.. At least until we can play a new game that has truth and good intentions at the core. 
But we know it's not how the world works.. That's why I am at a loss.

A book I really enjoyed at the recommendation of Alberto is: 

[Seeing Like a State](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Like_a_State) - I learned a lot about the historical perverse patterns of simplification and creating ontologies to the benefits of readability and order of a society, and to the disadvantage of improving the human condition."
8,84998,2020-10-14T15:14:23.396Z,14462,0,15,14,2,0,0,13.0,84793,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"@anon
If you have 'war stories' from the UK do share them. A few of us here are expats in Belgium, but stay connected to a global changing world, and we are worried, as you can see."
9,85003,2020-10-14T16:41:35.882Z,14462,2,16,15,1,1,0,18.2,84793,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"Oh you just went back to the same ""danger, protect, responsibility, save lives"" mantra.

**Well first info I can give you is this (coming from a real person I had a drink with yesterday):**
I have a friend in catering business. He does it in Belgium for extremely rich people lately. He is working events for 70-1100 people. No masks, no distances, no corona measures whatsoever. It is happening right now while they are introducing new bans. This week he is busy from Wednesday to Sunday.
What are the measures for the rest of the population in Belgium again? I should stop here as this is already food enough for thought but...

Your basic premise seems to be built on information we are being served by mainstream media. As long as that's your premise, we cannot really discuss the measures taken. Not because you are wrong and I am right. It is simply because we start with a very different premise so we have fundamentally different perception on the things. I know it is possible I am quite wrong about everything, but I believe I have more information than you do, coming from very different sources. So unless you are willing to take a good look at that, we cannot really reach understanding. When I see a phrase like 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:7, topic:14462""]
I believe it is very complex and of course it will depend on the type of state you are and how ‘ruly’ or ‘unruly’ the population is…
[/quote]
it gives me the creeps. The way my brain filtered it is: ""the situation is too complex for us mortals to understand, so we should let the state take care of it...and if it looks like they are being rough on us, it's because we cannot understand anything better, it's just tough love and they have our best interest in mind"". I know that's not exactly what you meant but, I said that's how my brain filtered it :slight_smile: .  

Yes. I am talking about restriction of movement, of seeing other people, soon to be obligatory vaccine for everyone. They are again creating conditions detrimental for human health, both mental and physical. It will lead to a desparate situation where people will accept so happily any vaccines they give in order to improve their life. In fact, vaccine will not be mandatory but they will make our life pretty much impossible without it...so yeah we will have the ""freedom of choice"".

Now I see articles with titles like ""covid all but exterminated flu"" and similar bullshit...come on. The crap they are feeding us is just insulting. They have to do it though because, no matter how much you censure the information, the truth will come out. Especially something as simple as just going through the total number of deaths this year, comparing to deaths previous years. Then comparing the numbers of covid cases, combining with flu cases and comparing with previous years. When you consider the average age of covid deaths, you can see how ridiculous this whole thing is.

What about this https://altcensored.com/watch?v=cQ-PGjyxCVw
**And why is that video censured on youtube?** It is a common practice in every country...
Are you aware of big financial incentives to declare more Covid cases? 
How about this: https://altcensored.com/watch?v=fSPeuyOawMQ , average age is 80.
**Why is it banned on youtube? Why are so many people banned/censured on facebook too?**
Why are even google searches meddled with? I tested them after a video talking about how all info against corona mainstream narrative is buried under all kinds of pages debunking it and that is a fact...

And no, I am not saying old people should die. I am saying a lot of them are dying of other things and covid is just added to the list and included in statistics. There are plenty of cases for that and testimonies by doctors as well. Did you see the new numbers released by CDC???
Highest death toll is for 70+ age and it is 0.05%.

I am not saying corona virus doesn't exist. I am saying it is used to justify catastrophic social engineering experiments and economic reset which is coming. Which I knew will come 5 years ago already by the way, so did several of my friends...or we missed by a year.

I am also saying things have been blown out of proportion and for reasons I can't fully understand. The reason is certainly not covid19 threat to our civilisation. We deal with things worse than that every day...
My whole point is this: 
There are far deadlier things than covid and we never mobilised or locked down the world to deal with them. Psychopaths we have as heads of states or the ultra powerful couldn't care less for loss of human life, but now suddenly they will lock down whole countries to save lives? **That's a big red flag for me.** Every day around the world we see proof of their care for human life.  Over the last 1000 years, every bit of freedom won was through struggle and in spite of the ruling class. They are as disconnected from general population or real life as royalty was in middle ages...
Do you know that women giving birth in French hospitals were obliged to wear masks DURING CHILDBIRTH? Sounds like a humane measure?

You don't find it strange that so many very reputable and successful academics in the relevant fields risk everything and go publicly against the mainstream narrative?

How about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X21UboS93qc&ab_channel=GlobalMedia
or this https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c

Funny how Lancet publishes 2 researches claiming hydroxychloroquine is not effective against covid 19 AND it actually increases the death % and all media publish that. A bit later Lancet **retracts** the research as it did not pass the peer review and **very few media publish that fact**. 
Here is the link example https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Do you believe a nobel prize winner for his work on HIV is talking nonsense when he says that covid19 was artificially modified? I mean, he is only a virologist with many awards, national and international and with 50+ years of experience in the field... again now, I am looking for his video on youtube and no way to find it. By youtube algorithms it is supposed to be at the very top but I see some obscure people ""debunking"" his claims with low view counts. It shows how far the tech dictatorship and control goes.
Ok I found it under a non English title finally... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdj4hRvJ3vA&t=34s&ab_channel=FESTV
He was of course contradicted by Dr. R. anon1794848168bag, a virologist with a career in business, notably one of the most profitable ones (vaccines).
Here is something about vaccines...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pj1eb8JXA&ab_channel=ludovicserrano

Do you believe Dr. Didier Raoult is a charlatan too? He also only has decades of experience as a microbiologist specialised in infectious deseases. He is one of the most influential microbiologists in the world and has revolutionised the field...and now they treat him as a charlatan just because he did not agree with the mainstream covid 19 nonsense narrative.

We have 5000 tests per day in Croatia now, compared to 5000 per month in August or July.

In Belgium we had 3 times more tests done per day since September compared to July and August. If you consider that PCR test basically is extremely unreliable, it is only normal we have raise in cases.

Same is with double counting. That was even in mainstream media, if a person tested twice and both times was positive, they counted that in final statistics.

Let's just forget all that ""conspiracy talk"" and use plain logic: there are many corona viruses, how did we battle them? What were the solutions far? Have we ever locked down healthy population?

If this one is so different, why is that the case? I go back to man made manipulation but it could be my mistake totally.

I had Covid in family and friends too, so did my partner. Combined we know more than 20 people who were diagnosed. There was 1 extreme case with a lot of pain and lengthy recovery, one with long lasting effect of no taste or smell. The rest were no symptoms or equal to mild flu..."
10,85026,2020-10-15T07:48:35.258Z,14462,2,14,13,1,0,0,32.8,85003,anon781457888,anon3346229079,"I too have my doubts on many levels.My defaults is to attribute it to flawed reasoning and incompetence, rather than intentional engineering. Have you read Gladwell's ""Talking with strangers?"" I find him problematic for reasons which I will not get into here, but some of the cases he points out in the book are food for thought/"
11,85065,2020-10-15T12:19:49.282Z,14462,2,14,13,1,0,0,17.8,85026,anon3346229079,anon781457888,"Well I believe it is the mix of the two. When I see things like curfew from 1AM to 6AM, I cannot attribute it to much else but total stupidity :rofl:

I mean, the only thing I can imagine they want to stop would be parties. The effect will be that those will be all night parties, that's all. Also, if they want to stop parties, why do it during the weekdays? I don't know, makes no sense whatsoever. 

Well it could also be an exercise in projection of power and preparing us gradually to worse...who can tell.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Here is another interesting initiative, signed by A LOT of scientists as well.

Edit: I will check that book out, thanks"
12,85066,2020-10-15T12:29:52.774Z,14462,3,15,14,1,0,0,38.0,85065,anon781457888,anon3346229079,"or the dutch forbidding sale of cannabis from coffeeshops before 8pm. Like, is covid not contagious at night or what?"
13,85069,2020-10-15T12:42:23.340Z,14462,2,15,14,1,0,0,18.0,85026,anon3346229079,anon781457888,"Here is a new piece of information:

<image here> 
 

These are the cycles, tightening, then relaxing the covid measures in Serbia each 51 day...let's see if it will follow the pattern in the next few cycles. Of course, it doesn't mean there is a great conspiracy there...it could still be accidental. When you take into consideration that rise in testing will automatically mean rise in number of infected, you can see how easy it is to manipulate the numbers though.

A guy I know came back to Croatia from abroad and had to get tested last week, company policy. He went to get tested, saw a huge queue and decided to come back next day.
Next day they call him, telling him he tested positive...
edit: in case it wasn't clear, he never was tested :smiley:"
14,85071,2020-10-15T12:47:53.884Z,14462,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,85066,anon3346229079,anon781457888,"You know there is a serious problem when, in a response to a virus from corona family, so many measures are actually detrimental to health. They reduce mental and physical wellbeing, greatly reduce immunity and in some cases downright harm us directly (like wearing masks for 8-10 hours per day). So happy I am not in situation where my income depends of such crap...

On the other hand, newspapers are full of articles about how our immune system is not enough and how only vaccines can save us...well of course if the only tool we have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Have you read somewhere an article saying ""make sure to eat properly, take your vitamins, zinc, magnesium, whatever you could be missing now, do regular physical activity, be with people you love etc...that actually gives us the highest chance to ward off ANY corona virus. Or if we get it, it gives us the highest chance of reducing its effect."
15,85072,2020-10-15T12:55:51.820Z,14462,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,85069,anon781457888,anon3346229079,:grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:
16,85251,2020-10-17T08:15:40.276Z,14462,2,15,14,1,1,0,18.0,85069,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:13, topic:14462""]
A guy I know came back to Croatia from abroad and had to get tested last week, company policy. He went to get tested, saw a huge queue and decided to come back next day.
Next day they call him, telling him he tested positive…
edit: in case it wasn’t clear, he never was tested
[/quote]

Yes, I heard these stories in other places too, I just think it's one thing to talk about stupidity and silly measures or bad policy, or even heavy interests meddling (like in the case of Big Pharma), and another to talk about conspiracy.  In the end, we have a virus that is arguably alarming enough to require some actions for prevention of its spread. Is it too much hysteria and fake news? Yes.. and I can't disagree with you on this:

> Overall I believe the responses/anti COVID measures put in place are disproportionate and in general a result of very bad judgement. I believe they will kill more than COVID. I believe they will cause a lot more long term damage, both mental and physical, on a very large amount of people.

> Do you believe a nobel prize winner for his work on HIV is talking nonsense when he says that covid19 was artificially modified?

Honestly, I don't know anything about this and will look into it, but it won't change how happy or not I am with government measures, you see? 

All in all, I think responses and public reactions to this pandemic are hardly rational. There's something about a pandemic that's not the same as having similar no. of deaths from a serious disease - there's just general panic (amplified by the news yes) and it hits you in your primal fear. When I think about my family and my older grandma, I would much rather that they are strict about protective measures, whether it's to stay home and not go to work, or always wear a mask, than risking deadly scenarios. Yes, my grandma has other afflictions, but if she can live a couple of more years than die of covid+comorbidity factor, I'll take it.. and she'll take it.  This reasoning could continue all the way to ''but what if we could have access to clean, clear, truthful information and best readings of numbers, and only the 'real' experts in the media and our families needn't sacrifice so much?'', then of course it's a dire situation to be in.  But you see what I mean..

> I believe also the authorities would be more clear about the difference between a mask and face covering. Mask would protect us more but making us all cover our faces increases social distance and is a great exercise in social obedience…

Yes, agreed"
17,85253,2020-10-17T10:51:09.915Z,14462,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,85251,anon2979239943,anon2446385507,@anon
18,85283,2020-10-18T11:47:25.366Z,14462,1,16,15,1,1,0,13.2,85251,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:16, topic:14462""]
even heavy interests meddling (like in the case of Big Pharma)
[/quote]
The way you said it sounds like even that is a bit far fetched :slight_smile: 
Well do you believe that, in a world where private companies have more power than most countries, they do not project that power in many ways which suit their interests? What is the purpose of a private company or investment funds? The examples where they affect policy making are huge. There is info I would gladly share but I cannot as it will be obvious who shared it with me due to family connection. I will share it with you in private next time we meet but it is an amazing example of policy created to suit the few who pay a lot for it...and there are plenty of examples for that around us.
[quote=""anon2446385507, post:16, topic:14462""]
and another to talk about conspiracy.
[/quote]

Which stories are conspiracy exactly? Story about events for more than 1000 people held in Belgium at the moment with no masks or any distance rules is a fact. Told by a person who does this events, to me, over a drink. Or story which my friend told me friday night, over dinner. His cousin's grandfather died of cancer and the family was asked to sign he died of COVID. As his cousin is a nurse, and they know a some of what's going on, they refused.

Here is something more for you, watch before it is removed from my fb post or youtube.
[another conspiracy video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LDj1NO4mjgc&fbclid=IwAR1ASM-ZADaobL7-xrM9MxhldqeMU-sTTNhlhMtSA5BVRnE_E3oNo3gUUrU&ab_channel=Nightflight) :rofl:

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:16, topic:14462""]
Honestly, I don’t know anything about this and will look into it, but it won’t change how happy or not I am with government measures, you see?
[/quote]
Well I already posted plenty of links.
This exactly is the problem, implying there is nothing we can change about it. Well right now we can't change anything about it. If more people actually realised all this is total nonsense, it would bring about change. And change is needed. If nothing else, this whole situation showed what kind of people we have in positions of high responsibility or influence and how much control is actually exercised by the power systems.
I don't want my children to grow up in the world which is becoming more and more oppressive...so I spend huge amounts of energy now to tell people about the alternative views on things.

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:16, topic:14462""]
When I think about my family and my older grandma, I would much rather that they are strict about protective measures, whether it’s to stay home and not go to work, or always wear a mask, than risking deadly scenarios. Yes, my grandma has other afflictions, but if she can live a couple of more years than die of covid+comorbidity factor, I’ll take it… and she’ll take it.
[/quote]
So we should live like this indefinitely? As covid isn't that much more dangerous than flu and is certainly much less dangerous than some other viruses which can hit your grandma. What you are saying is that 99.9% of the population should wear masks because 0.1% could die of ""X""? So children should wear masks 9h per day? Various professionals as well?  You try wearing the mask and just breathing faster in it for a minute and tell me what you feel. What are the effects on people wearing those for so long? 
Let's not get into the fact a  lot of people die indirectly due to corona measures or corona scare. Like, avoiding hospitals and not getting treatment on time. Like deaths at emergencies because the stuff is forbidden to do mouth to mouth during reanimation (increase by 30%). Like suicides and various mental disorders being developed. 
Here is a young woman [dieing of cancer](https://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/royaume-uni-elle-decede-d-un-cancer-son-medecin-pensait-qu-elle-avait-la-covid-19-7800729387) because she was diagnosed with COVID and sent home. Look at the reduction of the number of cancer detected cases year on year in UK. How many people will die because they now have cancer which was never detected and in a year it will be too late? Cancer mortality rate is more like 50%, so what about that?
How many people will die of famine due to this measures? How many millions was the number given by UN? What of economic situation? Let's see the result of reduced wellbeing by so much...let's see the future where we killed hundreds of thousands of small businesses and we channeled even more public money into corporations which don't need it or should never get it for ethical reasons.

Sorry but when professionals and academics from the relevant field come out and talk against the measures (risking their professional career and more), I am certainly more inclined to believe them than some corrupt politicians or representatives of corps making billions out of this clusterfuck.
And that has been happening all over the world, that is a big red flag...

Why did facebook remove my post about The Barrington Declaration? It's just ridiculous...facebook has become an authority on medical practices and also on which information people should discuss??? Virologists and academics from Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale etc do not have a relevant opinion on the subject???
Welcome to the Brave New World...

I just came from a village in Croatia, where I saw a lot of old people I care about, and my godson who is definitely part of the high risk population due to his immune system troubles. Even knowing what I know, I of course had to battle fear of spreading something to them...that is the effect of us being bombarded constantly this bshit info."
19,85285,2020-10-18T14:34:07.063Z,14462,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,85283,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,"Ok so if you were in charge of setting policy for your society, what would that policy be?"
20,85287,2020-10-18T18:23:08.885Z,14462,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,85285,anon3346229079,anon1659154220,"Well first thing I would do is basis for any democracy. Allow open discussion about the subject (ANY SUBJECT), consider all FACTS and transparently make decisions.

We have neither transparency nor open  discussion, I never saw such censorship...not even in war times!

Then I would make a decision based on the outcome of those discussions, had by relevant people obviously. The only thing I could do is listen to them and try logically to find the best solution. Relevant meaning people with knowledge and experience in the field...media sites Bill Gates, Fauci and some random highly paid monkeys but silences and ridicules professionals with decades of experience and incredible accomplishments in the field...that by itself is a travesty and should never be allowed in any country aspiring to be or calling itself democracy.

Based on the info I have and the way I understand it:

It's hard to say as there is too much manipulation right now...and I can't understand their agenda.
In some cases it's clear, as there are big financial incentives for hospitals. If you combine that with the fact that A LOT LESS people go to hospitals, they are very much encouraged by the policy put in place to report as much COVID cases as they can. Autopsy is done on how many cases? 5% max? How do they know who died of COVID? Practitioners will tell you that great majority of time it is a best guess they are making...
Same thing with PCR tests, they are incredibly inaccurate and cannot distinguish between different corona viruses...it cannot even distinguish between lime disease and covid 19. My aunt has to have a paper proving she has lime disease as it will show up positive every time.
Incredibly, we see flu diagnoses down by a huge number but corona cases growing big time as soon as schools opened...and a very low number of those actually end up as severe cases (just like flu).

1. **I would certainly not introduce any kind of lockdowns** but rather establish systems for helping those who most need it. Elderly and in general people from high risk groups.
So far policies have just made them more vulnerable, as they interrupted completely or modified the existing systems.
Considering the average age of those who died of COVID and the mortality rate of infected in general, I cannot justify paralyzing the world.

2. I would also make sure to **educate people** about how to keep their **immune system at maximum**. Which means eating healthy, sleeping properly, physical activity, spending the time with people we love etc...
I certainly wouldn't create an atmosphere of fear and paranoia we have.

3. I would allow practitioners to share their experiences, not censor or silence them if they go against my decisions/narrative. That is what is done now, best example being America's Frontline Doctors, Dr. Didier Raoult, German, Dutch, French initiatives, Serbian doctors who also spoke about data manipulation...The Barrington Declaration...there are examples of that all over the world.
The amazing example of manipulation there is the hydroxychloroquine ""research"". I wrote about it previously, with link to Lancet's article with huge RETRACTED letters over it. All media wrote about the research originally, but the fact it did not pass peer review and was retracted after a week was quickly buried under a pile of rubbish.

My logic behind it would be what Sweden did, but combined with my first point...it seems they failed there big time. That way the stronger part of the population would get the virus, their immune systems fighting it each time, making it weaker as it spreads but making our immune systems stronger. 
That way, after some time, even those with higher risk would have much greater chance of getting through it. 

Right now we are being served a story the only solution is a vaccine. That is a pile of shit, just like vaccine against flu is a pile of shit. Pardon my French but that's me saying it mildly...
I have 0 trust towards people making billions out of that. I have 0 trust towards people who have already **misused hundreds of millions of public money** given to them for specific purpose of common good.
Before anyone starts with ""conspiracy theories"", that is **public information**, in shape of a recent **European Commission report** after their investigation into how big pharma used the grants they were given.
They basically used them for more profitable projects.
I have also 0 trust in people known for their horrible business practices over decades, like Bill Gates. Suddenly the guys is the world's authority on health, public policy and the biggest philanthropist. 
I have 0 trust in the philanthropist who invested a lot into weapons manufacturers, GMO and vaccines...basically the most profitable industries and certainly not considering the common good.
I also have 0 trust in companies which have little accountability and are **lobbying for even less accountability**. Vaccines are already exempt of tougher regulation regular medicine has to go through, but now they want absolute 0 accountability and a creation in EU of a fund like the US **National Vaccine**  Injury  **Compensation Program**."
21,85288,2020-10-18T19:22:44.765Z,14462,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,85287,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,"Who would decide who has to be protected and who gets to be ""in the herd""?

There was a time when a vaccine was universally given that prevented large scale spread that was not a huge profit windfall: Salk's polio vaccine.  He gave it away for the benefit of public health.  We all took it and polio, which my father had and miraculously recovered from, pretty much went away after being a fact of life for ages.  Too bad at a time when it is most needed, there is so little earned trust in government as a way forward that benefits everyone.  

But do you think that some societies are doing a better job than others?"
22,85290,2020-10-18T19:59:06.638Z,14462,1,14,13,1,1,0,12.8,85288,anon3346229079,anon1659154220,"[quote=""anon1659154220, post:21, topic:14462""]
Who would decide who has to be protected and who gets to be “in the herd”?
[/quote]

Well from data we can see who is most vulnerable, most affected...can we not?
**Who decides today who gets to be protected?**
[quote=""anon1659154220, post:21, topic:14462""]
There was a time when a vaccine was universally given that prevented large scale spread that was not a huge profit windfall: Salk’s polio vaccine.
[/quote]
A lot of time has passed since 50s and also, I never said I am anti vaccine. I was vaccinated too and there are vaccines I will give to my children.
Comparing a person like Salk to people we deal with today makes no sense, not does implying all vaccines are good for us...or needed for that matter.

Yeah, he gave it away as he should have. The foundation got millions of public money for research and field testing.
He also used it on him and his children. If Bill Gates gives to his kids and takes every vaccine he wants others to take, I will take it too and FROM THE SAME NEEDLE.
Too bad he never will. If he does it will be something like [this](https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/second-class-medicine-germans-unhappy-with-alternative-swine-flu-vaccine-for-politicians-a-656028.html).

[quote=""anon1659154220, post:21, topic:14462""]
Too bad at a time when it is most needed, there is so little earned trust in government as a way forward that benefits everyone.
[/quote]
Yes and there is a good reason for that. More informed one is, less trust one has unfortunately.
If there was less censorship and person assassinations, more transparency, I would trust them more.

**What is your opinion on censorship being done nowdays?**

We already had ""pandemics"" from which [someone](https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/european-parliament-to-investigate-who-pandemic-scandal.html) was going to make huge profits but people have short memories nowdays.

[quote=""anon1659154220, post:21, topic:14462""]
But do you think that some societies are doing a better job than others?
[/quote]
Yes, I believe the Swedes and the Dutch will show much better results long term just because their measures were not as severe. Considering the rest of the world was paralyzed, their measures were much less effective too as that affected them as well.
Can't really tell, we are just being fed just daily stats of infected, hospitalised, dead."
23,85292,2020-10-18T22:51:12.222Z,14462,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,85290,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"Let's see how long will this video stay on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDj1NO4mjgc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1CQcAvWIJDXGRMDPT7sZEGu-ZvOql8R6Rm79yjNw0oU56KB1rflBvhIvc&ab_channel=Nightflight
Was already removed so fast...

Do you find that normal? I find that deeply disturbing..."
24,85293,2020-10-19T02:10:52.057Z,14462,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,85292,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,works for me so far
25,85294,2020-10-19T02:17:28.642Z,14462,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,83768,anon1659154220,anon781457888,"This supports a part of your argument - the most promising vaccine effort so far in the USA was entirely funded by American taxpayers, yet the pharma company plans to sell it for big money to recoup an investment the company did not make.

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/18/the-coronavirus-vaccine-will-not-be-free-americans-have-already-paid-for-it-twice/"
26,85295,2020-10-19T06:41:14.074Z,14462,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,85065,anon598341349,anon3346229079,"It is true the Great Barrington declaration is somewhat controversial:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/herd-immunity-letter-signed-fake-experts-dr-johnny-bananas-covid"
27,85310,2020-10-19T12:19:57.660Z,14462,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,85295,anon3346229079,anon598341349,"What I find incredible is that nobody seems to be bothered by the fact the information we receive is being heavily filtered or transformed into half truths by people who are far from being experts in the subject of the discussion...they are however becoming experts in manipulation and censorship. I spent a lot of energy, sharing a lot of info which can be called controversial to say the least. It seems to fall on deaf ears so I will go invest my energy into other things. I have so much to do.

If we have some freedom and comfort today, it is thanks to the millions of people who fought for it before us. I also find it incredible people don't take few hours of their time to research the subject and make sure they don't lose what others fought so hard to obtain...not only for their own sake but for the sake of their children. For the sake of humanity. 

It's so easy to say ""oh, it's complicated so I will trust in authority"". Later you can always say: ""what was I supposed to do? The authorities said...""

Much easier than taking responsibility for our choices, actions, isn't it?

Well future will show what is really going on here and I hope then you will accept responsibility for your inaction...and learn from it for next time. Because there will be next time."
28,85338,2020-10-20T05:03:57.541Z,14462,3,13,12,1,2,0,22.6,85066,anon2867672406,anon781457888,"[quote=""anon781457888, post:12, topic:14462""]
or the dutch forbidding sale of cannabis from coffeeshops before 8pm.
[/quote]

That was AFTER 8 pm.

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:27, topic:14462""]
What I find incredible is that nobody seems to be bothered by the fact the information we receive is being heavily filtered or transformed into half truths by people who are far from being experts in the subject of the discussion…they are however becoming experts in manipulation and censorship.
[/quote]

Ok, but that is potentially true for *all* information, including that that you consume and reshare. If, confronted with a disagreement, we all say ""My information is correct and well researched, yours is manipulated and distorted"" there is no way to ever converge. This would be very bad, as we know that [the evolutionary success of *homo sapiens* is driven by collaboration](https://books.google.it/books?hl=en&lr=&id=8XKYDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=henrich+the+secret&ots=OBjxINIdgY&sig=gwU8ydIdP3htH0MsUEFcBQpOD3U#v=onepage&q=henrich%20the%20secret&f=false) at ever larger scales, and there is no collaboration without a shared understanding. 

Hence ""trust the science"": there is a process for falsifying scientific statements that has historically worked well enough, in the long run. In the long run, I am sure the COVID controversy will be put to rest, and we will know the hows and the whys. Unfortunately, we are now not in the long run, and we must live with the hasty preprints and the retractions, the academic posturing, the  ineffective procurement (here are the [UK](https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/07/coronavirus-recall-of-defective-masks-in-nursing-homes-and-general-practitioners-uk-news.html), and the [Dutch](https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-bought-from-china/a-52949216) govts buying millions of defective masks, and don't get me started on Belgium), the (yes, definitely) corrupt companies out to make a quick buck. During all this, different papers are saying different things. This is a feature of science, not a bug. Like Ed Yong, one of my favorite biology writers, remarked:


> This is how science actually works. It’s less the parade of decisive blockbuster discoveries that the press often portrays, and more a slow, erratic stumble toward ever less uncertainty. “Our understanding oscillates at first, but converges on an answer,” says Natalie Dean, a statistician at the University of Florida. “That’s the normal scientific process, but it looks jarring to people who aren’t used to it.” ([source](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-confusing-uncertainty/610819/))

This is not what we'd like to hear, but I believe it to a big part of the truth."
29,85343,2020-10-20T05:27:35.275Z,14462,0,13,12,1,2,0,7.6,85338,anon781457888,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:28, topic:14462""]
[quote=""anon781457888, post:12, topic:14462""]
or the dutch forbidding sale of cannabis from coffeeshops before 8pm.
[/quote]

That was AFTER 8 pm.
[/quote]

Thanks. It did sound very odd."
30,85346,2020-10-20T05:36:44.214Z,14462,0,13,12,1,1,0,22.6,85338,anon1466844745,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:28, topic:14462""]
During all this, different papers are saying different things. This is a feature of science, not a bug. Like Ed Yong, one of my favorite biology writers, remarked:

> This is how science actually works. It’s less the parade of decisive blockbuster discoveries that the press often portrays, and more a slow, erratic stumble toward ever less uncertainty. “Our understanding oscillates at first, but converges on an answer,” says Natalie Dean, a statistician at the University of Florida. “That’s the normal scientific process, but it looks jarring to people who aren’t used to it.” ([source](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-confusing-uncertainty/610819/))

This is not what we’d like to hear, but I believe it to a big part of the truth.
[/quote]

Striking. And uncomfortably true. Should be a little less of an issue for *things* that have already converged, and for some time, at least..."
31,85347,2020-10-20T05:43:32.179Z,14462,3,14,13,1,1,0,22.8,85338,anon3346229079,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:28, topic:14462""]
Ok, but that is potentially true for *all* information, including that that you consume and reshare.
[/quote]

This is simply not true and it takes very little to see which side is being transmitted by mass media and which one is being silenced. This kind of relativising a very serious matter is very dangerous. 

I am well aware everybody has a point of view or understanding of a subject and in that sense, is filtering information...including me. I am also well aware I could be wrong, as I stated in my first comments.

What I am talking about is clear censorship. Censorship as in **deleted content, banned accounts, omitting important information etc**. Real people are risking everything they have, and they are being punished since the beginning, to reveal that very same **heavily censored information**. I don't know if you just are unaware of these things or what but, saying what you said is just disrespectful to all of them.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:28, topic:14462""]
Hence “trust the science”: there is a process for falsifying scientific statements that has historically worked well enough, in the long run. In the long run, I am sure the COVID controversy will be put to rest, and we will know the hows and the whys.
[/quote]
Where is the science behind the measures in place? Where is the science when we haven't even allowed scientific method or peer review? Oh there is plenty of peer review but no media is showing it and few governments are taking it into consideration.
Yes we will find out, and how many people will be hurt before we find out because it's all relevant anyway so let's just wait it out?
I know you people think it's conspiracy theories etc but, I am not pulling info from my ass but rather listening to most competent people in the field. The world's top virologists, microbiologists etc **are giving you real info but you are too lazy or scared to hear it**?
Here is some [science](https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/new-zealands-university-of-otago-claimed-to-have-isolated-covid-19-virus-but-has-no-record-of-it-isolated-from-an-unadulterated-sample-anywhere-on-earth-by-anyone-ever/?fbclid=IwAR3BKqUjIOE_Bqdsj8NWbPWWhHubBNGazHL-C5CqHuL6g2b_Lu83d4BRNW4) for you.
And here is another [real person](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2juC1LB-OE&t=155s&ab_channel=Dr.ReinerFuellmich), giving real info, real stats which I have checked as well, giving real names...

Crazy thing is some of these things could be logically figured out just by looking at the numbers. Now we are getting the info too. Let's see how many people come out with stories of medical personnel asking them to sign off they family member died of COVID while it was cancer, organ failure or  many other things.
There are hundreds of people already reporting it, many got money to do it in indirect way in Croatia (like being paid all funeral costs).

Flu magically almost disappeared? Please...doesn't take a virologist to figure that crap out."
32,85351,2020-10-20T06:29:38.523Z,14462,1,14,13,1,1,0,12.8,85347,anon2867672406,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:31, topic:14462""]
I don’t know if you just are unaware of these things or what but, saying what you said is just disrespectful to all of them.
[/quote]

Peace, Jasen. I wrote ""potentially"". Of course disinformation exists. Since it exists, it follows that *any* source is ""potentially"" suspicious. 

In cases where science has established something beyond reasonable doubt, I even *support* censorship in certain contexts, like education and mass media. For example, some people believe the universe is 6,000 years old, created by God like the Bible say. These people have their own paleontologists and scholars, their journals and universities. And they say ""teach the controversy between creationism and evolutionism in American schools!"". Their opponents say there is no more controversy, evolution has won it long ago. Let them keep their conferences, of course, but do not teach 16th century science in 21st century schools.

Something similar goes with climate change: denialists have also research institutes and deep pockets. They use them to get policies in favor of fracking and things like that. ""Why should we sacrifice our ways of life just because of some lousy prediction made by some scientists? Here, we have our own counterpredictions!"" And if you shut them down, they (rightly) call it censorship. But you still want to shut them down, because their tactic is doing real damage (if you believe the other side, which I do). 

With COVID we do not know much yet, it is not a situation like creationism and climate change denial. So, let's be mentally flexible, entertain all possibilities, and read more meta-studies (like [this](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8)) and fewer studies. Deal?"
33,85355,2020-10-20T06:58:22.717Z,14462,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,85347,anon781457888,anon3346229079,"I have to say I'm with @anon3346229079 on this one guys. If your point of departure is that which does see the light of day as being the sole foundation on which you can draw conclusions then the reading looks very different from if you, like myself, are interested in that which is not."
34,85429,2020-10-20T15:54:13.625Z,14462,3,12,11,1,3,0,22.4,85351,anon3346229079,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:32, topic:14462""]
Peace, Jasen. I wrote “potentially”. Of course disinformation exists. Since it exists, it follows that *any* source is “potentially” suspicious.
[/quote]

Sorry but you made a blanket statement previously. That is more for European Commission, not an open discussion. I speak of specific cases, which are very real.
If sometimes I look harsh it is because I am increasingly frustrated with the situation, it's certainly nothing personal but I am a very passionate and direct person.

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:31, topic:14462""]
The world’s top virologists, microbiologists etc **are giving you real info but you are too lazy or scared to hear it** ?
[/quote]
Like this, it's not meant to be demeaning. I just think highly of you, as an intelligent, educated and capable human being. So following my own logic of course, those are the 2 options I could consider plausible. When I see automatons around, not thinking and just wondering around in their everyday tasks, it certainly bothers me but I am used to it by now. When I come to a platform like Edgeryders where I like to think we have a community of very open minded people, creatives, entrepreneurs and scientists, and encounter almost the same attitude, I get VEEEERY WORRIED ABOUT HUMANITY.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:32, topic:14462""]
In cases where science has established something beyond reasonable doubt, I even *support* censorship in certain contexts, like education and mass media.
[/quote]
And I totally agree with this, in certain cases. So why then you don't see a problem in the way media and policy makers are treating the COVID crisis or people giving an alternative opinion? 

I gave a lot of specific cases and backed it with sources, just like I will do now again.
I already wrote in previous post about 
[quote=""anon3346229079, post:9, topic:14462""]
Funny how Lancet publishes 2 researches claiming hydroxychloroquine is not effective against covid 19 AND it actually increases the death % and all media publish that. A bit later Lancet **retracts** the research as it did not pass the peer review and **very few media publish that fact** .
Here is the link example https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
[/quote]
In this specific example: based on that Lancet published research French government has banned the use of hydroxychloroquine just 24hours after! Some US states have even allowed pharmacists to **refuse selling it** to patients who had it prescribed by their doctor. WHAT? Does that sound like science to you? A medicine used for 80 years, on over 2 billion people? Based on a study by some incognito monkeys now is harmful?
Also, that ""research"" published was such nonsense that it was never gonna pass peer review. Not only that, nobody in the community could  even figure out who are the people behind it...that tells us a lot about their credentials. At the same time we have people like Dr. Didier Raoult (who is a living monument) and organisations like American Frontier Doctors are treating people with hydroxychloroquine successfully. But American Frontier Doctors have their videos taken down by Youtube and their livestream (followed at that time by millions of people, **including me**) interrupted and taken down by Facebook. Do you find that normal?
Where is the science there? Is that science or politics and lobbying? So yes, I trust science and scientific method. But when I see examples like this one, which are facts, my  trust in the policy makers goes down drastically.

How much damage was done by policy makers and media in that case? (Media treated VERY DIFFERENTLY the published study and the retraction of the same). And what is the solution if we have no cure? Well of course it is vaccination...and judging by the articles being placed in media for months now, we will have a yearly vaccine (or vaccines) for it. They, of course keep feeding us articles with titles like ""Human immune system does not work"", ""There is no cure"", and obviously 197823 articles about incoming vaccines.
Does it sound like science to you that billions of public money are spent to buy vaccines which haven't even been tested or manufactured, while we have only censured anything contradicting that vaccine-is the-only-solution narrative???

Let me go back to censorship: in specific cases that you stated, I would certainly not censor them. I am a firm believer in open discussion and you know why? Simply because it is more productive. 
Let's take a subject like race superiority:
What happens if you censor the discussion about it? Well it goes underground. Those who believe it will surround themselves with likeminded people, enforcing the belief and creating serious extremism. Not only that but, censorship will give them a higher ground than they will actually have and motive even, proving their ""race is in danger of being wiped out"" blabla all the bshit.
As long as you have an open discussion, you cannot lose really. Why? Well because their arguments make no sense and can so easily be dismantled. If you do it publicly or through debate, you will have waaaaaay bigger impact than if you just ban them from talking.
Specially if you make blanket statements which make no sense to an average person. They need to see real life examples and there are plenty of those.
Same goes for creationists and same goes for those who deny climate change is happening.

It's not the same to not allow certain teachings in public school by the way and **not allow open discussion** about certain things, as is the situation now. 
I cannot trust the same people who censure, do character assassination and downright punish those most relevant to give us information about the subject at hand. People losing their jobs, their licences, being suspended...what is that? Trusting people/organisations using such methods goes against all common sense. Especially when on one side you have an individual who risks everything by saying what they say, and on the other you have organisations gaining so much from saying what they say...

Let's put all current matters aside and just consider censorship. This is how I see it:
The powers that be make the population increasingly dependent of the authority, they dumb down the population enforcing obedience and discouraging critical thinking, then they filter and manipulate information to manufacture public consent and THEN THEY JUSTIFY CENSORSHIP saying ""population should not have access to that information as we essentially consider them too dumb to properly process it"". **Sorry but we are either homo sapiens or we are not.** We can't call our species that if we don't believe the members of the species cannot use logic and understand information given to them. 
[quote=""anon2867672406, post:32, topic:14462""]
With COVID we do not know much yet, it is not a situation like creationism and climate change denial. So, let’s be mentally flexible, entertain all possibilities, and read more meta-studies (like [this ](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8)) and fewer studies. Deal?
[/quote]
Well obviously masks work to a degree, that is the most logical thing and I don't see who even said the opposite here. I only said that pieces of cloth people wear nowdays don't make us safe and certainly do more harm than good. **Do you know that these masks are supposed to be used once? So handled once, placed on the face ONCE, removed ONCE and thrown away?** Everyone is bombarding us with ""wear masks"" but who talks about proper use? You know why they don't? Because a lot of active people would **have to use 10 per day** if they don't want to wear them all day long. Who is going to pay for that? Here is a short [guideline](https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/factsheet/factsheet-covid-19-how-to-wear-mask.pdf?la=en) but it does not state everything.
Here is CDC published [result](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?fbclid=IwAR3zIwGbJ1RPJvVRuxd7J4rE__8xVU1yAz8s2La6vulGmFBfcjyGTVhpbsg#T1_down) of %of people wearing masks who got infected. So 70% of them wore the mask all the time in public, but 40% had close contact with someone who was positive. Also, they considered only symptomatic people, which is very important. 90% of all tests are either mild cases or asymptomatic.
What I find incredible is having children wear them for 9 hours...that makes no sense and is downright harmful. Especially when you consider the mortality rate or effect at all for 0-19 years old. I go back to, protect those who need to be protected, make sure you create all necessary support systems to increase their safety. Do not inflict damage on 99.5% of the population for increased safety of 0.5%. Not only that, with our policies and paranoia we have probably killed way more senior citizens as well...we have definitely killed way more young people (and we will kill so many more) with our policies so far.
I gave examples for that in previous posts, but there are way bigger consequences.
I love the example of US demonstrations and people wearing masks there, as the proof masks work. Well we kept the masks all along, so why we see such spike in cases now? How come the covid cases rise so much but flu has all but disappeared? Sorry but don't even need science for that.
You talk about masks but, I will talk about PCR tests.
Why are we testing the asymptomatic? How reliable are the tests at all? In the article I linked above there is a lot of science and investigation behind it, backed by links to direct sources, by real people staking their livelihood on it. So why do you consider your meta study so much better? Even though I agree with the findings of the study.

We were testing 30000 people per day lately, ramping up to 60000 people per day. Compared to 10-25 000 in May. If the test is not reliable, and all data shows it is not, why are we basing everything on it? If it is so sensitive, and it is. If it cannot distinguish between various corona viruses, and it cannot. If it gives a covid positive result on a plethora of other diseases, and it does.

Only now they are deciding not to test the asymptomatic in Belgium, finally.

Now let's go to the manipulation with mortality rates. First of all, **it is a fact** that most people dying of/with it lived longer than the average age expectancy.
It is also a fact most of those people had more than one comorbidity. Latest estimates by CDC and few other sources state 6-12% (depending on country) of all who died actually died of covid19.

Let's go now to big financial incentives for declaring covid 19 patients, both positives and dead. Are you aware of that fact? Combine that with the fact a lot less regular patients go to hospitals and tell me, how much integrity is there when people are faced with losing their businesses/jobs during a crisis as this one?
I have been to hospitals 3 times since the beginning of all this. First 2 times I was there in the peak of the epidemic. I never saw so few people at the hospital...

Just yesterday almost all Croatian media reported ""The youngest case of COVID19 death in Croatia, a 39 year old female"".
Well guess what, her brother publicly replied asking then why are they spreading lies? She suffered for a long time, had internal organ failures as a result of her condition and she died from internal bleeding finally...
Underneath his message there is an incredible number of people reporting they were encouraged by the medical personnel to sign their relative died of covid19 and offered all funeral expenses covered. In Croatia, that is a big deal. In some cases they just received a letter later, informing them the relative died of covid19. All of them had very serious health issues and were not admitted to the hospital for covid19.
Same is happening in many other countries and medical practitioners are talking about that. I directly know of one case like that in Belgium (late stage cancer battle), so I will cite only that one. But let's wait and see, how many people will come forward. More and more I believe, as bshit of this magnitude cannot stay hidden really.

Also, why are practitioners stating these things being silenced? Fired, suspended etc? I understand somewhat if they went against the interests of the company they work for and got fired or suspended, but why is mainstream media complicit? Why are platforms like youtube and facebook complicit? Youtube has a lot worse things on there than a doctor or coroner talking about **FACTS** and data manipulation, actually reading from the internal memo. What happened with investigative journalism?

Crazy part is, this whole situation does not affect me much. My family is safe and very independent, no need for masks or anything special. I don't have to wear a mask much. I felt the economic impact as I lost money but it didn't  affect me much. I am not in any danger nor do I feel any pressure there. In fact, I lost around 15 000 euros and by conservative estimates I will make 6-8 times more next year...probably x10. I am just sorry I couldn't continue paying 5 people for their services.

My only issue is obligatory vaccination and that is what is coming. You think our policy makers would have ordered hundreds of millions of them if it wasn't the case? We will be ""free"" to choose but our lives will pretty much be miserable if we do not take the vaccine.

I am still very upset with the state of the world and if, in my frustration, I sometimes use harsher language than I should - I anon3760934795ogise."
35,85436,2020-10-20T19:43:45.209Z,14462,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,85429,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,"You say ""they"" a lot. Who do you mean?  And who is doing the censoring?  It is my understanding that governments censor.  News outlets choose to report or not report.  Social media are private companies who have discretion, which they use for better or worse. But it isn't really censorship since they own the platform.

My point here is trying to separate out who you  think is doing what to whom."
36,85441,2020-10-20T22:09:23.008Z,14462,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,85436,anon3346229079,anon1659154220,"You already showed in your previous ""answer"" that I am wasting energy and time. Didn't even bother to answer a very simple question.

Again, i gave clear examples and names. You can't be bothered to read and want me to regurgitate an overview for you as well?

Yes, they are private companies. 
That exactly is the problem, private power overtook public power long time ago. Do you think a private company with such huge impact should not be held accountable for their actions? Also, why do you think a company more powerful than most countries does not affect policy making for its own purpose?

What news outlets? Do you see the difference between news outlets today and 50 years ago? What makes you think news outlets are independent entities actually publishing real information? That used to be their purpose...today they are the most powerful weapons used as such. What am i talking about, it started long time ago. They were used to create paranoia and were an essential weapon for extermination of Native Americans. They were used also to sway public opinion when England went to war versus the Zulus. Again, used to spread the damn racist theories about all native peoples in order to further justify appropriating their lands and making slaves out of them. They are weaponised and they need to be treated as such. News outlets...please, let's be real. They do more damage today than any weapon we used in warfare over the last 60 years...

They manufacture consent in supposed democracies with false information or filtered information to create certain world view. That makes any democracy obsolete. I am okay with that actually, let's just call spade a spade. Just declare martial law, officialise fascism and declare freedom of speech is an illusion. In short, I have no problem with any of the actions they do. I just wish we called things their right names. See how much public support they get then. I also wish there were consequences for their actions, and judging by your answer...no wonder there are none. Who will hold them accountable.
I wonder would you say ""well they report what they report"" if they all dehumanised your people spreading lies, with goal of convincing the rest of the world it is okay to wage war against you. Would you still consider them news outlets, choosing to report that? Or ""they are private companies so, they choose what they publish""???
I get it, you probably think this scenario is a conspiracy and it never happened...
War mercenaries are private companies too, nevertheless they should be kept accountable."
37,85446,2020-10-21T08:35:35.931Z,14462,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,85429,anon2867672406,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:34, topic:14462""]
I gave a lot of specific cases and backed it with sources,
[/quote]

Thing with sources is this: each of us has to choose which sources to trust. I don't trust Breitbart. And I don't trust Fox. These are sources too, regularly invoked in many debates. Also, they sometimes publish accurate facts, when the facts suit their political agenda. In those cases, I will be making mistakes: I will think ""bah, these guys are liars"" and fail to recognize the truth. And yet, these are cases: on the whole I find my world map are more accurate if I ignore entirely certain sources. 

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:34, topic:14462""]
Does it sound like science to you that billions of public money are spent to buy vaccines which haven’t even been tested or manufactured, while we have only censured anything contradicting that vaccine-is the-only-solution narrative???
[/quote]

That sounds like procurement. Which is a highly political process, with all the known bugs of capture, posturing, short-termism etc. etc. Why would you call it science? 

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:34, topic:14462""]
Where is the science there? Is that science or politics and lobbying? So yes, I trust science and scientific method. But when I see examples like this one, which are facts, my trust in the policy makers goes down drastically.
[/quote]

Breaking news: science *also* is very, very far from perfect. ""Perfect"" is not on the menu. You know it, I know it. 

That said, the science here is in Lancet's (and other journals') retractions. It is unfair to complain to ""science"" because the media misreport stuff. Also, I am frankly surprised that you are surprised. Misreporting is endemic. It was around before either of us were born, and we had to develop navigation tools around them. Using them is more effective than complaining. 

 What it comes down to: intelligent people, like me, do not ""move like automatons"". We pick our readings. I, too, cited some of my sources. Occasionally I even read medical papers. Since I have a PhD in quantitative economics, I understand statistics, and I am a bit better than average in interpreting quantitative results (pro tip: ""to increase death"" is a poor formulation). And I certainly don't get my salient facts from Facebook and YouTube videos. Come on, man! Really? We have known it's tainted at least since 2016. If you want a bibliography for that, I will be happy to oblige.

I run a high risk of picking the wrong sources, and missing out on the right ones. But then, so do you. It's life. If you, given your readings, want to go for hydroxycloroquine, more power to you. We stand to learn from what your actions. Will you treat me, and the rest of us, with the same courtesy?

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:34, topic:14462""]
Let’s take a subject like race superiority:
What happens if you censor the discussion about it? Well it goes underground. Those who believe it will surround themselves with likeminded people, enforcing the belief and creating serious extremism. Not only that but, censorship will give them a higher ground than they will actually have and motive even, proving their “race is in danger of being wiped out” blabla all the bshit.
As long as you have an open discussion, you cannot lose really.
[/quote]

Sorry, that's been disproved since 1945, when Popper published *The open society and its enemies*. The argument is called the [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance), and it is no longer challenged by any serious scholar."
38,85448,2020-10-21T08:37:43.225Z,14462,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,85441,anon781457888,anon3346229079,"This thread reminds me of the conversation we have had about [how different people are reacting to the deluge of statstical data](https://edgeryders.eu/t/statistically-feeling-bad/12845). 

My first assignment while an undergraduate at university was to look into the media landscape in Poland during communist times. More specifically, exploring how people produced and interacted with information in a situation of censorship, and the context within which this was happening. I guess @anon1836820155 and @anon4110936133 will have a lot more to say about this. But my own (limited) understanding is that people developed an ability/extraordinary skill at communicating and ""reading"" with a kind of split vision. In a situation like this, how do you filter between speculation, reported facts, disinformation etc ?"
39,85451,2020-10-21T08:45:22.466Z,14462,3,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,85448,anon781457888,anon781457888,"let me be more specific - In a situation like this, where threat and oppression (or possibility) are not immediately tangible or perhaps distributed across many different actors,  how do you filter between speculation, reported facts, disinformation etc ? i ask because I find it very difficult to do with the limited time, and more importantly, limited cognitive energy that I have at my disposal..."
40,85460,2020-10-21T09:22:28.276Z,14462,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,85451,anon1836820155,anon781457888,"I think that Polish media in general are more opinion driven, than data driven. And now when the situation is unprecedented, the information in media is even more based on the opinions. Everyone becomes an expert, willing to sell the solution to the crisis."
41,85494,2020-10-21T14:58:05.437Z,14462,1,10,9,1,2,0,12.0,85446,anon3346229079,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:37, topic:14462""]
Thing with sources is this: each of us has to choose which sources to trust.
[/quote]

Of course, I already said that I am well aware I could be totally wrong about some things.
They all follow their own agendas, serve us with truth when it suits them and half truths or lies when it doesn't.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:37, topic:14462""]
Also, I am frankly surprised that you are surprised. Misreporting is endemic. It was around before either of us were born, and we had to develop navigation tools around them. Using them is more effective than complaining.
[/quote]
I am not surprised but that. I am surprised so many people are not aware of that and those who are often don't seem to be bothered by it. Just because it has been there for so long, doesn't mean we should accept it as normal.
What navigation tools? I would like to know more about your logic there. We are being more and more controlled...it is becoming increasingly difficult to get real information.
As @anon781457888 stated in her replies...we live in the age of spin and misinformation. It takes a lot of energy to get real understanding of things. Usually very few people have time for that nowdays, I certainly almost never do. Right now I should go back to my programming course, but this subject really got under my skin and I am very worried for the world of our children.
 
That's why I cite people who risk everything stating what they state or publishing the data they publish. People not financed for researching but the very same people whose wealth could increase by billions, depending of the outcome of the research. People not paid huge amounts of money for pushing a certain narrative. Kind of obvious where the conflict of interest lies, when on the other side you have very highly paid individuals or people who invested billions in the matter. 

On top of that, when I see people who risk so much, being censured, silenced or punished without any real scientific evidence their statements are harmful for anyone, I for sure will pay closer attention to what they have to say. Just basic logic. If there was clear evidence their statements are false and damaging, it would or should be brought up publicly through proper channels.
So when you state ""some guy from youtube or facebook"", you basically don't take into considerations their achievements/experience or sources they site...as he did not appear on the official communication channel or as part of an approved organisation? I mean, that is ridiculous as that person is already silenced a great deal.
Here is a [guy](https://www.facebook.com/nicolas.graillot.9/posts/10157223700102447) who knows a lot about media, who quit and went solo, challenging the main narrative. His main reason for quitting is ""I have 5 children"", That should tell you a lot, as the guy left a successful and very lucrative career for that. His content is constantly being deleted etc...

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:37, topic:14462""]
That sounds like procurement. Which is a highly political process, with all the known bugs of capture, posturing, short-termism etc. etc. Why would you call it science?
[/quote]

That's my whole point. This whole crap is politically motivated and there is no science behind it. As a man of science, I thought you would appreciate that example.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:37, topic:14462""]
That said, the science here is in Lancet’s (and other journals’) retractions. It is unfair to complain to “science” because the media misreport stuff.
[/quote]
I am not complaining to science, certainly Lancet has a great deal of respect from me as they kept their integrity. They no doubt face huge pressure...it is clear why they are the world's no1 medical journal.
I am just pointing out the huge gaps in the policy makers' approach. Being as far as possible from real science.

The research you included is about the masks effectiveness, which is kind of obvious. That was never a question, question was how were they used.
Way more serious things here are the points I raised already or included in links.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:37, topic:14462""]
I run a high risk of picking the wrong sources, and missing out on the right ones. But then, so do you. It’s life. If you, given your readings, want to go for hydroxycloroquine, more power to you. We stand to learn from what your actions. Will you treat me, and the rest of us, with the same courtesy?
[/quote]
Totally agree with you on risk of picking the wrong sources. Not on the 2nd part. Hydroxycloroquine was **made illegal** or doctors and pharmacists were **very strongly recommended not to prescribe or sell it**. You know that great majority of them are on the pharma payroll anyway. That was my whole point. They have made decisions based on 0 science. That decision **took away many people's right of choice**, and potentially harmed a lot of people.
My problem is not with science, my problem is with ""science"" or manipulation of the same by ""experts"" who are experts only in politics and power structures. Manipulation both by scientists and policy makers.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:37, topic:14462""]
Sorry, that’s been disproved since 1945, when Popper published *The open society and its enemies* . The argument is called the [paradox of tolerance ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance), and it is no longer challenged by any serious scholar.
[/quote]
Wow, nice excuse for so much stuff, we can expand it indefinitely. I am not surprised the argument made sense back then, after seeing nazi Germany rise so easily. That for me goes in pair with people misusing the ""survival of the fittest"" to justify all kinds of crap. Now, we can say it was misunderstood and give them the benefit of the doubt. My thinking is, it was understood as the observer had certain preconceptions/mindset and wanted it to mean exactly that...so still having full responsibility. 

Well good thing people made that argument obsolete by actually doing things and proving they work in practice. In fact that practice is the only way to build bridges between polarised communities and influence the ""intolerant ones"".

Trust me when I say I know a lot about polarised communities. I have been in deeply divided society, full of distrust, sometimes hatred, mostly deep annoyance and prejudice. All that can only be bridged with exposure. Exposure to the other side through various activities together, or just meeting normal decent people, or talking with peers who had experiences with ""the other side"" etc.
I have 100 examples from my life. The best example we have here in Belgium is the Flamish and French. I know people from both community and, talking with them, I realised most have prejudice because of lack of interaction with the other side and political influence...as some idiotic politicians always score points on nationalism.

Here is the example of a [guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTQ0Wj6yIg&ab_channel=PowerfulJRE) who did exactly that and had amazing results. An Afroamerican seeking out KKK members and literally turning them away from that crap. A real hero for me.

I also had a specific case in my family, with my little brother who was indoctrinated in a special nazi ideology. it is easy when it is ""the other side"", some random people somewhere you don't know. So you have no empathy, or need to build that bridge. So just censure them and push them underground. Let them victimise themselves even more, and surround themselves in an echo bubble.
Would you do the same if it was your brother or father?
My point here is, we need more empathy and interaction and we can reach people in great majority of cases. If you support your arguments with science, logic and real world examples, you can certainly reach more people than if you push them away.
It's all good when you have scholars writing about it, discussing it but, real world is most of the time something very different.

That line of thinking can be applied only in extreme cases, I certainly didn't state I wouldn't censor anything at all. As i clearly stated in the examples above, that we can dominate any debate in those examples with facts and logic. That is supported by the argument you linked.

This part specifically:
Popper expands upon this, writing, ""I do not imply for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would be most unwise.

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:34, topic:14462""]
As long as you have an open discussion, you cannot lose really. Why? Well because their arguments make no sense and can so easily be dismantled. If you do it publicly or through debate, you will have waaaaaay bigger impact than if you just ban them from talking.
[/quote]
I further added the ban would have the counter productive effect.

I don't see any conflicting logic in these 2 statements. Where do you see it?"
42,85496,2020-10-21T15:22:13.672Z,14462,0,10,9,1,1,0,22.0,85451,anon3346229079,anon781457888,"Just watch [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDj1NO4mjgc&ab_channel=Nightflight) as of 24th minute Nadia. It will not take you much time (4 minutes) and it is the core of my logic.
Then if you have more time, read my spam :stuck_out_tongue: 
[quote=""anon3346229079, post:41, topic:14462""]
That’s why I cite people who risk everything stating what they state or publishing the data they publish. People not financed for researching by the very same people whose wealth could increase by billions, depending of the outcome of the research. People not paid huge amounts of money for pushing a certain narrative. Kind of obvious where the conflict of interest lies, when on the other side you have very highly paid individuals or people who invested billions in the matter.

On top of that, when I see people who risk so much, being censured, silenced or punished without any real evidence their statements are harmful for anyone or not true, I for sure will pay closer attention to what they have to say. Just basic logic. If there was clear evidence their statements are false and damaging, it would or should be brought up publicly through proper channels.
[/quote]

That's a big part of my logic.
2nd part is, I listen to people directly exposed to the pandemic. I put a lot of links in previous answers. Videos made by practitioners and very competent people. There are so many more though, and how many were deleted permanently or I can't find them any more.
The 3nd part is real world I observe around me. I gave examples where witness reports are in complete contradiction with official narrative or they confirm a lot of manipulation is happening. I have no reason not to believe to my family doctor saying, no need to wear a mask, I do not think the measure makes any sense in current situation. I have no reason not to believe my friend when he tells me his cousin's grandfather died of cancer he battled for a long time. Then they asked them to sign he died of corona. Also, hospitals were in most cases more empty than pre-epidemic.

I have no reason not to believe my friend when he says he was working big events for the ultra rich, when we couldn't meet more than 4 people outside of family circle.

I have all reason to believe 10 doctors exposing the data manipulation linked to corona virus done in the hospital where they worked. Yes, worked...as after that they were punished.
I mean, if anyone can find me the reason they lied (apart from maybe being masochists and wanting to suffer), I will gladly reconsider."
43,85731,2020-10-24T11:41:55.098Z,14462,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,85451,anon3346229079,anon781457888,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcnaUtP5u1I&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=BALKANQ

Here is some more, and there are so many videos like that made by practitioners and professionals in the field being banned. That's my whole issue. Why?

Pretty sure this one is still there as the title has nothing to do with covid and is not in English.
Video itself is in English"
1,85137,2020-10-16T08:20:48.215Z,14601,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,85137,anon1836820155,anon1836820155,"Porozmawiały z Sonią Priwieziencew (@anon

Siedzibą fundacji, która działa w całym kraju, jest w Województwie Mazowieckim. Tematami pracy fundacji są społeczność lokalna, suwerenność żywnościowa i bioróżnorodność, to znaczy szeroko pojęty zrównoważony rozwój obszarów wiejskich. Fundację AgriNatura założyły w 2007 r. osoby, które już działały wcześniej na rzecz zrównoważonego rozwoju obszarów wiejskich.

Tak naprawdę projekty, które dotyczą rozrzuconych po całej Polsce gospodarstw zależą od funduszy. Sonia powiedziała, że w Polsce jest teraz ciężko z finansowaniem dla ekologicznych organizacji
pozarządowych, które nie chcą wchodzić w politykę. Jeszcze parę lat temu Erasmus był fajnym
programem, teraz on został zmniejszony. Jeżeli chodzi o fundusze państwowe, to ich jest dużo mniej.

Unijne przepisy, takie jak Wspólna Polityka Rolna są często sprzeczne. Na przykład wcale nie ułatwiają one ekologicznego produkowania żywności. Rolnicy ekologiczni powinni używać tylko nasion
ekologicznych, które są drogie i mało dostępne na rynku, ponieważ sprzedawać nasiona mogą tylko
firmy nasienne a rejestracja każdej nowej odanon1235093333ny jest kosztowna. Odstępstwa pozwalające rolnikom
ekologicznym na używanie nasion konwencjonalnych nie zaprawianych mają zostać wkrótce całkiem
zabronione.

Ilość żywności nigdy nie była problemem, bo wiemy że połowa żywności na świecie jest wyrzucana. Problemem może być to że ludzie którzy nie produkują jedzenia generalnie nie będą mieli pieniędzy, tak już się dzieje. Jeżeli ktoś straci pracę, to będzie mieć mniej pieniędzy na jedzenie. 

Obserwowaliśmy w tym roku, patrząc na rolników ekologicznych i producentów ekologicznych, że jest dużo większe zainteresowanie żywnością ekologiczną. Troską o zdrowie nagle okazała się ważna."
2,85161,2020-10-16T10:52:41.127Z,14601,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,85137,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"@anon1836820155 this is where you should probably ping others in the Polish community - see those registered here? https://edgeryders.eu/t/registrations-poprebel-events-2020/14326/

And maybe preface with something like: At Edgeryders we would like to accommodate different languages, and make it possible for everyone to write in their native ones, so part of the posts are in English, but we have a growing Polish community and we are happy to host conversations in our native language!"
3,85171,2020-10-16T11:58:31.363Z,14601,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,85161,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,Also good practice: always ping people you are refering to when you are writing so that they get notified and can join the conversation - I edited the post to panon3589994963 Sonia too (I assume she agreed for you to post the notes?).
1,84692,2020-10-09T14:10:41.078Z,14555,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,84692,anon2963888871,anon2963888871,"![Ethno|690x428](upload://90cX9eqp62oc5Y0FvkgtI4foxyN.png) 

## Dear Friends and Family,

While 2020 will be remembered as a year that saw a global pandemic put public health at risk, challenge health systems and stall economies, it will likely cause change that will have a long-lasting impact into the future.

At Edgeryders we have spoken about privacy concerns that have emerged throughout the pandemic with countries using technology to curb the spread of the virus. Facial recognition apps and contract tracing apps have been called into question around the world. Security experts and people like whistleblower Edward Snowden have spoken out about the danger of passing laws around the collection of personal data during the crisis.

In fact, [our most recent ethnography findings](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14544) show this was a prominent conversation on the platform over the past four months. Our community has been talking about the risks and harms that these applications and technologies have to data privacy and our civil liberties.

It doesn’t appear these issues are going away.. Just last week Amazon announced a new palm recognition system that let’s people scan into its shop by waving their hand at the door. It has privacy experts concerned that a biometric scanner that sends pictures of people’s palms into the cloud could be a security risk but will current habits that are being formed around these technologies throughout the pandemic have far-reaching consequences later?

We have also been examining how an internet that depends on ad revenue to operate and examining the recent policy brief published by Mozilla Fellows Harriety anon205870463by and Frederike Kaltheunejust on how that can be fixed [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-is-to-be-done-about-the-ad-based-internet-economy/9821/114).

Other conversations that have featured prominently on the platform include coworking, according to our findings. It seems apparent that many have tasted working from home, and while it doesn’t work from everyone, some people have trialled it and like the freedom it brings. One aspect that garnered a lot of attention around that was how the coworking sector can [incorporate childcare ](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14331)to help working parents during current restrictions.

Similarly, there has been a lot of talk on the platform on how we can recover from the fallout of this pandemic, and make the pathway we choose a [green one](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14522).

We have been reacting to these conversations and discussions, by putting together some events that our community can benefit from. On the 22nd October we are running a webinar that explores what freelancers need to improve their working  days. Please [come along](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/) if you’re a freelancer that doesn’t know what to do with all the technology available for the sector to utilise.

**Don’t forget…**

Some of our other upcoming events:

* 16/10 : [Info session about our new World Building academy! ](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/14481)We are launching a residency in collaboration with EIT Climate Kic as part of our Scifi Economics Lab.
* 29/10: [How can we work together to support localisation of food? 1](https://edgeryders.eu/t/draft-event-invitation-sustainable-agriculture-and-food/14493) A webinar to learn about opportunities in the EU and beyond. More here.

**And finally…**

Tell us about what’s going on in your part of the world below or [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/status-report-ii-whats-up-with-you/13292/139). Our What’s Up With You? Section is a safe place where our members share everything from the latest pumpkin they have carved to major events in their part of the globe."
2,84695,2020-10-09T14:13:41.815Z,14555,0,6,5,2,0,0,11.2,84692,anon2963888871,anon2963888871,"@anon

@anon"
1,67507,2019-12-14T07:32:14.517Z,12179,0,9,8,8,0,0,46.8,67507,anon1253999246,anon1253999246,"Eksmisja jest po dwudziestu pięciu latach obowiązywania w prawie lokalowym jednym z symboli III Rzeczypospolitej. Kiedy minister Barbara Blida uzasadniała wprowadzenie go w życie nawet nie ukrywała, że staje w obronie interesów właścicieli zasobu mieszkaniowego. Wmawiała, że eksmisja dotknie marginalnej liczby osób, która celowo nie płaci za czynsz i żyje na koszt reszty loanon3213561856orów. Społeczeństwo polskie zaakceptowało eksmisje jak coś oczywistego. Nie można było tolerować osób unikających opłat za mieszkanie.

Narracja o tym, że dach nad głową jest takim samym towarem jak asortyment wystawiany na półkach w sklepie przyjęto na początku lat 90-tych bez dyskusji. Politycy, dziennikarze, publicyści, także osoby ze sfery nauki uzasadniali wycofanie się państwa ze wspierania taniego budownictwa jednym prostym zdaniem: „Czasy PRL-u minęły”. Teraz będziesz anon1235093333ł mieszkanie, jeśli będziesz anon1235093333ł dobrą pracę, a jeśli ją utracisz, niezależnie od przyczyn musisz wynająć na wolnym rynku. Ta prostacka, antyhumanitarna filozofia jest powodem obecnych patologii w społeczeństwie. W pierwszych latach obowiązywania ustawy Blidy widać było efekty tego, co zostało przez rząd SLD-PSL wprowadzone. Zarządzający zasobem mieszkaniowym krezusi systemu kapitalistycznego chętnie pozbywali się z mieszkań słabych, chorych, niepełnosprawnych, rodzin i samotnych matek z dziećmi. Po opróżnieniu mieszkania często stały puste. Kamienice komunalne wielu polskich anon1235093333stach nieremontowane latami przez celowe zaniedbania władz stały się celem deweloperów oraz oszustów. Przy aprobacie władz centralnych i lokalnych zaczęli przejmować budynki w ramach prywatyzacji oraz reprywatyzacji. Budynki będące w złym stanie były burzone (wszak grunta były istotniejszej), inne remontowane nie dla dotychczasowych loanon3213561856orów, ale dla nowych, z dużym portfelem. Po starych mieszkańcach nie zostawało nic poza wspomnieniem. Wiele z nich walczyło i nadal walczy o prawo do dalszego zamieszkiwania lub do innego lokalu komunalnego. Niestety władze samorządowe robią wszystko celem niezaspokajania potrzeb mieszkaniowych. Chętniej działają w interesie branży deweloperskiej. Sprzedając im po okazyjnych cenach miejskie grunty. Często idą na to ogromne łapówki ze strony tych firm dla urzędników podejmujących korzystne dla nich decyzje.

Działając przez osiem lat w ruchach loanon3213561856orskich, najpierw w Komitecie Obrony Loanon3213561856orów (2011), a od pięciu lat Warszawskim Stowarzyszeniu Loanon3213561856orów im. Jolanty Brzeskiej stykam się osobiście ze skutkami braku polityki mieszkaniowej. W każdą środę na skłocie „Syrena” znajdującym się w centrum Warszawy członkowie w ramach dyżuru loanon3213561856orskiego wraz z prawnikiem służą pomocą warszawskim loanon3213561856orom mającym problemy mieszkaniowe. Od 16.30-17.30 można uzyskać pomoc prawną oraz wsparcie w trudnych sprawach. Jak są to poważne problemy nie dające normalnie funkcjonować w życiu przekonałem się sam. Właśnie moje własne perturbacje mieszkaniowe skłoniły mnie do wejścia w ruch loanon3213561856orski. Podjąłem dobrą decyzję. Działając z innymi osobami dotkniętymi bezwzględnością wolnego rynku mieszkaniowego oraz reprywatyzacji zrozuanon1235093333łem, że mój przypadek nie jest odosobniony. Przez lata kłopoty mieszkaniowe moje i mojej mamy przeżywałem wyłącznie sam. Przez to nie mogłem mieć szerszego pojęcia, że wynikają one z błędnej polityki państwa. Politycy zarówno mający rodowód pezetpeerowski jak solidarnościowy w 1989 roku uznali, że siłą Polski będzie od teraz prywatna własność, wolny rynek i indywidualizm. Jestem jedną z ofiar indywidualizmu i egoizmu. Nie tylko ja. Jak powiedział Piotr Ikonowicz z Ruchu Sprawiedliwości Społecznej na spotkaniu sympatyków i członków WSL-u z okazji Międzynarodowego Dnia Loanon3213561856orów 5 października 2019 roku, eksmisja oraz brak szansy na mieszkanie jest jednym z ważnych powodów do emigracji z Polski. Zgadzam się z nim w stu procentach. Przez lata mojej działalności w ruchach loanon3213561856orskich widzę, że ubóstwo mieszkaniowe dotyka w takim samym stopniu ludzi starszych, co młodych. Rozmawiając z osobami przychodzącymi do nas na dyżur poznaję ich smutne, niekiedy tragiczne historie. Bardzo trudno nie być poruszonym. Wielu ma nam za złe, że blokujemy eksmisje. Zarzuca się nam, że stoimy po stronie „oszustów”, którzy nie chcą płacić za czynsz jak reszta. Nie jest to prawda. Blokada jest powstrzymaniem od stoczenia się na dno zagrożonej eksmisją osobie lub osobom. Eksmisja jest złem, ponieważ stanowi jedyne narzędzie polityki mieszkaniowej w Polsce od 1994 roku. Zblokowanie wejścia komornika do mieszkania lub właściciela ma ochronić loanon3213561856ora przed znalezieniem się na ulicy, a jednocześnie daje szansę nagłośnienia sprawy oraz działania na rzecz znalezienia innego lokum. Bardzo wiele osób zagrożonych eksmisją wpadła w długi przez przypadki losowe. Są to choroby, utrata pracy, trwałe bezrobocie czy stali się ofiarami oszustwa. Każdemu z nas może stać się krzywda w życiu, ważne jest zaradzić temu. Nie zaś pogrążać tą osobę jeszcze bardziej, fundując jej życie na ulicy. Organizujemy także pikiety dotyczące spraw loanon3213561856orskich. Każdego 1 marca w rocznicę zabójstwa działaczki loanon3213561856orskiej Jolanty Brzeskiej organizujemy pikietę czy to pod budynkiem Komendy Stołecznej Policji czy siedzibą Prokuratury Generalnej. Chcemy w ten sposób (jako działacze loanon3213561856orscy) przypomnieć, że nie wyjaśniono sprawy okoliczności śmierci Jolanty Brzeskiej oraz osądzenia sprawców tej zbrodni z przed prawie dziewięciu laty.

Po tych ośmiu latach patrząc z perspektywy uczestnika ruchów loanon3213561856orskich i osoby, która padła ofiarą polityki państwa traktującej mieszkanie jako towar do spekulacji, a nie miejsce do mieszkania, uważam ten czas za wykorzystany pożytecznie. Nie zamknąłem się po traumach trzydziestu lat swojego życia. Postanowiłem wykorzystać swoje doświadczenia w działalności loanon3213561856orskiej. Daje mi to siłę i pozwala uporać się z myślami o tym, co było jeszcze nie tak dawno."
2,84046,2020-10-01T08:02:16.037Z,12179,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,67507,anon1836820155,anon1253999246,"Cześć @anon1274458134 @anon2642761710 @anon2971899728 @anon722293676 @anon1650793189 @anon1274458134 @anon413923905 @anon750699873 @anon2693311786 @anon1253999246, ciekawi mnie, co sądzicie o polityce mieszkaniowej w czasie pandemii w Polsce? https://edgeryders.eu/t/occupy-airbnb-coming-to-a-city-near-you/14472"
1,83890,2020-09-28T14:48:40.909Z,14484,0,15,14,87,0,0,493.0,83890,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"https://cdn.xsd.cz/resize/019a5212f4943fec86d6d16aad2ccdaa_resize=1020,574_.png?hash=de2a0eacc088f477b243a669e4a5cb38
In another post @anon781457888 mentioned that a frind of hers got stuck in Prague and asked the cardinal question of ""what is happening"" in the city. That is actually a really good one which can be answered from various angles.

After the much-needed summer break relaxed in terms of anti-COVID measures which everyone anticipated with great enthusiasm ([maybe too much](https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/czech-public-dinner-lockdown-scli-intl/index.html), some might say), we seem to be witnessing the advent of a darker season. The warning voices came back and the city itself is gradually returning into the quarantine. But the general mindset from both the administration and the public seems to have changed quite markedly. How and why?

As for the first part of this question, a simple observation might be quite helpful. In March 2020, after recording a steep rise in the number of COVID cases, the government led by the prime minister Andrej Babiš opted for what could be described as a complete lockdown of the whole country, and the measures implemented garnered praise from [around the world](https://www.praguemorning.cz/could-czechs-measure-to-fight-coronavirus-save-thousands-of-lives-2/). That is something Andrej Babiš is definiely not used to. On the domestic scene, the modus in which those measures were implemented reaped criticism: the information distribution was erratic, changing on the daily basis (hence [memes](https://images.app.goo.gl/6WFA3HD5WuhaopzC6) about the time periods reserved for 65+ citizens in the supermarkets), and when the government issued the appraised obligation of wearing masks and respirators everywhere, they outright lied about their disponibility in the country. Also, as it turned out later, all of these limitations were decreed unconstitutionally under a state of emergency, which was declared without the approval of the parliament. Despite all that, basically the whole country abided by the rules, regardless of their opinion of the government. As my non-Czech wife wondered: ""This is incredible, a government that no one in this city likes declares something and everyone in Prague follows these orders like trained soldiers.""

Fast forward to our present, the end of September. The COVID spread statistics have been generally growing worse over the last two months, currently, they are actually [six times worse than in March](https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19?utm_source=general&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=covid-19). But the daily life in the city goes mostly on as it did during summer. You would not really notice that Prague is a ""red"" zone on various European COVID maps (and Czech ministry of health, as documented by the title picture). The public administration has generally not reacted to this situation, until recently.

So why has it changed?

Public perception - definitely transformed. In spring, the general attitude seemed such as the population of the city was genuinely scared of the disease. Right now, the relatively low mortality rate in combination with various other statistical data tends to be used as a proof of the ""spring overreaction."" For some, these serve as arguments supporting their position, which simply stem from the fact that they grew tired of COVID, of the way in which the qurantine-normality has shifted their lives, ""unnecessarily"", as they do not perceive themselves to be in a risk group. Still, the Prague public seems to be more on the careful side, as the city with its high population concentration is one of the country's COVID foci.

Is it a conspiracy? Well, kind of... Unlike in other places, wild theories of the reptilian-world-mind-control-scheme sort have not gained prominence in the public discussions or politics yet, though you might definitely find them flourishing in the corners of the internet  Instead, there is a pervasive feeling among those who do not like him, that the prime minister Andrej Babiš is using the COVID situation to bring back totalitarian practices and control of the population by force and to enrich himself and his allies. As a former communist state security agent, a ruthless businessman and politician, his image invites such perception. This is the crossroad at which the clash of personal liberty and collective safety discourses is mostly taking place right now in the Czech Republic. And Babiš is well aware of that...

Which brings me to my last point - what attitude is politically more beneficial? While criticized by the political opposition for, as he would say, technicalities, amidst all the confusion, the two steps forward one step back approach of the spring COVID crisis management has mostly gained points for the Babiš government. With the general discipline loosening, the ruling political forces noticed that the tides have turned. Despite the growing numbers of sick people, the government is carefully weighing each step its takes. When the minister of health, who became somewhat of a scapegoat for all the COVID mismanagement (though he was definitely following orders from above) showed some personal initiative in tightening the measures again (in regard of the mask-wearing obligation, a cornerstone of the governmental PR in spring), he was mercilessly deposed from his function by the prime minister while simultaneously receiving praise for his managerial abilities. And then you realize that the parliamentary upper chamber elections are coming next weekend, so yeah, go figure... Babiš is a politician, a populist, he has to represent what he claims that it is the people want. But now it seems that even he himself hesitates which camp to join.

The effect seems to be twofold. Firstly, the narrative of spring overreaction and downplaying of COVID danger is inadvertently supported by the government. All of the administrative bodies of the country, be it the city of Prague, other regional governments, municipalities, Universities etc. are waiting for the regulations from above, which come in an extremely slow tempo. This provokes internal tensions and emergence of pro/anti-COVID-measures tribalism on all levels. Secondly, the numbers of COVID proliferation are still high (despite a small decline) and this time no one is even improvising a general plan as of now. Some marginal selective (and questionable) measures cannot be counted as such (pubs close at 10, the audience has to be sitting in cultural events etc.). 

So, we will see ""how is Prague"" in a month."
2,84030,2020-09-30T14:30:23.900Z,14484,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,83890,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Jirka, what a compelling description of the situation, you write like a political analyst!

I think we have seen several cases where ahead of the elections populist decisions are made - Serbia being example nr. 1 in my mind. But at the same time, if you compare how covid was handled across the world, you also have blatant lack of measures that hopefully *will* cost incumbents their positions (looking at the US here). Is it possible that in Czechia, because of the overall not bad covid management in spring compared to other countries, plus the confinement fatigue as you write, now new political choices can be made without a political cost?

Some of us disagree on the way governments should be handling this: for example @anon2867672406 values individual freedom and demands more tailored (and may I add) sophisticated measures, while me, for example, would rather everyone follows strict rules in absence of individual responsibility, or belief in it. For example- that if people are asked to have a social bubble of 8, they will respect that.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-does-security-mean-to-you-right-now-what-makes-you-feel-safe-or-unsafe-right-now/14462/2

Where do you personally stand? and how is your position influenced by the cost that the covid crisis had on your own family?
@anon4062071924 how about you? @anon1836820155, how safe are you feeling with the measures in Poland? 

I'm very much aware that those of us who may not have lost much in health or economically, could be more inclined to see the need for stricter measures until this pandemic sees an end of the line.."
1,71479,2020-03-17T09:51:00.138Z,12856,1,22,21,49,0,0,299.4,71479,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"We talked a lot last year about [leaving your home country](https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369/) and making a life abroad.
In these times, one really feels part of the world as a whole, yet our deep attachments don't change. 

I am in Brussels, and now unable to travel to see and be with my family, all of which is in Romania. The borders all over Europe and beyond are closing, and it is possible that nobody will be traveling anymore in the next months. Other Brussels friends whose families and businesses are in their home countries, are also coping and find themselves at the mercy of phone and Internet connections.

In my case, I was used to seeing family every two months, and most of my close friends remain there (@anon226181697, @anon

I happen to have a solid partner in Brussels, but I can only imagine that these times are hardly good for hooking up with new people? Is love life in the times of corona suffering too? 

The strangest thing is to follow two communities of which you belong to, all at once: numbers coming in from both Belgium and Romania affect me just as much, but it is only in one place that I can actually do something, as small as it is. 

# What are you doing to keep yourself busy and feel useful? 

**I follow and share Belgian news regarding support for freelancers**
The government offers to lower the taxes for social contributions for the first two quarters of 2020. If you need this - read more about it here: [in French](https://www.lesoir.be/284750/article/2020-03-05/coronavirus-les-independants-peuvent-demander-une-dispense-de-cotisations) or [in Dutch](https://www.vlaio.be/nl/subsidies-financiering/subsidiedatabank/overbruggingsrecht-voor-zelfstandigen-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR0wN8I0_jUNNNMyc_WRI1Ts9Hbb0E2A5_j7II8Pgx_yWFsIEQY9vKETHn0)

**I try to buy as local as possible, from the smaller shops rather than supermarkets.**
Seeing people queue up outside of local health stores was a strong reminder of the communist times when every day you'd have to stand in line for your milk, bread and just about any food. But it's worth doing it if you want to support your local shops. This from thebulletin.be:

> Belgium’s measures against the spreading of the virus include the shutdown of cafes, bars and restaurants. Takeaways and friteries can stay open. Mong Tangton, the owner of L’Epicerie, a small sandwich bar in Ixelles, is relieved he can stay open. “No one can sit here and have a meal any more - I closed the restaurant area,” he says. Tangton underlines the importance of state intervention to help the sector. “I work alone, but some don’t. They won’t be able to pay rent and their employees. The state has to help us here.”

**I practice yoga and support the teachers.** The yoga room in Brussels where I usually go immediately took measures and they are now providing [classes online](https://www.yoga-room.be/online/). Most of their teachers are freelancers, so they are among the hardest hit by this crisis - we all donate for the classes to support their income. This is important because it enables us to practice solidarity and support local businesses.
You do good by doing what you love.

<image here> 
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2,71510,2020-03-17T14:29:22.000Z,12856,1,21,20,1,0,0,29.2,71479,anon226181697,anon2446385507,"> <img src=""https://edgeryders.eu/user_avatar/edgeryders.eu/anon2446385507/45/4_2.png"" title=""anon2446385507"" width=""45"" height=""45"">
> [anon2446385507](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon2446385507)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         March 17
> We talked a lot last year about [leaving your home country](https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369/) and making a life abroad.
> 
> In these times, one really feels part of the world as a whole, yet our deep attachments don’t change.

> I am in Brussels, and now unable to travel to see and be with my family, all of which is in Romania. The borders all over Europe and beyond are closing, and it is possible that nobody will be traveling anymore in the next months. Other Brussels friends whose families and businesses are in their home countries, are also coping and find themselves at the mercy of phone and Internet connections.

> In my case, I was used to seeing family every two months, and most of my close friends remain there ([@anon226181697](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon226181697), [@anon

> I happen to have a solid partner in Brussels, but I can only imagine that these times are hardly good for hooking up with new people? Is love life in the times of corona suffering too?

> The strangest thing is to follow two communities of which you belong to, all at once: numbers coming in from both Belgium and Romania affect me just as much, but it is only in one place that I can actually do something, as small as it is.

> # What are you doing to keep yourself busy and feel useful?
> **I follow and share Belgian news regarding support for freelancers**
> 
> The government offers to lower the taxes for social contributions for the first two quarters of 2020. If you need this - read more about it here: [in French](https://www.lesoir.be/284750/article/2020-03-05/coronavirus-les-independants-peuvent-demander-une-dispense-de-cotisations) or [in Dutch](https://www.vlaio.be/nl/subsidies-financiering/subsidiedatabank/overbruggingsrecht-voor-zelfstandigen-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR0wN8I0_jUNNNMyc_WRI1Ts9Hbb0E2A5_j7II8Pgx_yWFsIEQY9vKETHn0)

> **I try to buy as local as possible, from the smaller shops rather than supermarkets.**
> 
> Seeing people queue up outside of local health stores was a strong reminder of the communist times when every day you’d have to stand in line for your milk, bread and just about any food. But it’s worth doing it if you want to support your local shops. This from [thebulletin.be](http://thebulletin.be):

> > Belgium’s measures against the spreading of the virus include the shutdown of cafes, bars and restaurants. Takeaways and friteries can stay open. Mong Tangton, the owner of L’Epicerie, a small sandwich bar in Ixelles, is relieved he can stay open. “No one can sit here and have a meal any more - I closed the restaurant area,” he says. Tangton underlines the importance of state intervention to help the sector. “I work alone, but some don’t. They won’t be able to pay rent and their employees. The state has to help us here.”

> **I practice yoga and support the teachers.** The yoga room in Brussels where I usually go immediately took measures and they are now providing [classes online](https://www.yoga-room.be/online/). Most of their teachers are freelancers, so they are among the hardest hit by this crisis - we all donate for the classes to support their income. This is important because it enables us to practice solidarity and support local businesses.
> 
> You do good by doing what you love.

> [](https://edgeryders.eu/uploads/default/original/2X/4/46c51dbbf8f3fe5066f0666ee08f7fc6df542897.jpeg)

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3,71520,2020-03-17T16:21:42.810Z,12856,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,71510,anon2446385507,anon226181697,"Hei @anon226181697 did you intend to post a comment, or thoughts of your own? For some reason they don't appear, but you can always edit your comment and add/ delete text. Easier to do it from your browser, than from your email."
4,71583,2020-03-17T22:22:59.499Z,12856,1,13,12,1,0,0,42.6,71479,anon1357871680,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon2446385507, thanks for the tag, right back at ya! <3 I'm happy to know you have a support system around you now, and a remote one a tag / chat away. 

Thank you for raising this topic. I'm inspired by your routine and hope to report back one of my own these days. For me, it's mostly life as I knew it before this mess started. I've been working from home for a while now (years, afraid to count) and, having grown an introvert side to what usually reads as an available human ready to cheer people up, I have to admit at times this no socialisation thing feels like a relief. Like more people are living life as I am. 

When considering the bigger consequences, these deep shifts are scary af. The economic implications are starting to show around me in friends, generally freelancers, NGOers or small entrepreneurs, already feeling precarious, knowing this is just the beginning. I haven't figured out how to be a better friend to them. A close friend subtly mocked me today by reminding me how optimistic I was a few days ago by saying that this might shock the system into something else, after making visible to many the terribly flawed deep / policy design. I'm in a more sober state of mind today. The pain is coming for most of us. Not sure if the promise of a better, fairer world will be soothing enough. 

I'm still in an energy saving mode trying to make sense of the shifts in my own professional agenda, while keeping close to family. Small support here and there with my neighbours, who are generally lucky enough to have family around them. Several ideas of contributing to conversations worth having, some that I feel I've waited long for, on systems change and public service redesign, that are both timely and tiresome to those who I could engage in conversation with. They might be just trying to stabilise first, change the world second. I'm just wondering how long (and if) that might take. How to balance something that feels like momentum with self-care and patience with oneself, first. 

A recent discovery is the mindfulness grey area. I'm going at it randomly and enjoy not having a guide to ""the proper ones"" vs the bullshit ones. Recently attempted 10 min of app-directed yoga and enjoyed it. Will do more. Still have to structure my days and master the sense of complete uncertainty, I'd be happy to keep close and read others' journey. 

P.S. Unexpected insight: working online (calls especially) is incredibly tiring. I would have thought I've been working like that for years, but it's been solitary work, generally, that I've enjoyed and protected as a favourable condition. Collaborating remotely is a different animal, I'm discovering. I'm looking to adapt."
5,71620,2020-03-18T06:29:23.171Z,12856,1,11,10,2,1,0,17.2,71583,anon2446385507,anon1357871680,"[quote=""anon1357871680, post:4, topic:12856""]
The economic implications are starting to show around me in friends, generally freelancers, NGOers or small entrepreneurs, already feeling precarious, knowing this is just the beginning.
[/quote]
Yes, we all feel it. And I doubt the Romanian state will be prompt to support that, or?

[quote=""anon1357871680, post:4, topic:12856""]
working online (calls especially) is incredibly tiring. I would have thought I’ve been working like that for years, but it’s been solitary work, generally, that I’ve enjoyed and protected as a favourable condition. Collaborating remotely is a different animal,
[/quote]
That's interesting - where do you see the difference exactly, what makes for online collaboration for you?"
6,71664,2020-03-18T12:44:32.517Z,12856,0,12,11,1,1,0,22.4,71620,anon1357871680,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:5, topic:12856""]
Yes, we all feel it. And I doubt the Romanian state will be prompt to support that, or?

![|20x20](https://edgeryders.eu/user_avatar/edgeryders.eu/anon1357871680/40/10702_2.png) anon1357871680:
[/quote]

They're still at the stage of passing the hot potato around with vague declarations. No decisions yet, rather demands from small entrepreneurs (big ones probably have other channels) to temporarily suspend taxation, other commentators ask for a solidarity fund, others for economic support to large corporations in exchange of forbidding lay-offs... The only measure so far is to offer a daily lodging and medication support to people in quarantine. 

I just remembered something called the [Freelancers' Association](http://www.asociatiafreelancerilor.ro), will look into it since I don't know of any forms of associative life among local freelancers.

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:5, topic:12856""]
That’s interesting - where do you see the difference exactly, what makes for online collaboration for you?
[/quote]

Calls with people in different frames of mind, for one. As an empath and people pleaser, I try to compensate for the awkwardness of the new medium by investing sometimes more energy than I have for myself, feeling drained after it. I'm coming to appreciate a lot people trained in hosting, moderating, facilitating conversations online. The ones who also do the crucial work of following-up, documenting, keeping the conversation going between people who come from different experiences and with very differnt levels of commitment (or maybe just different ""languages""). 

Translation work, emotional work, secretarial work... a whole lotta more work now."
7,84003,2020-09-30T11:19:25.565Z,12856,0,4,3,1,0,0,20.8,71479,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"A few more months have passed since I launched this topic. 
Just to add that I have managed to visit my family once, in August, during a period where Belgium-Romania travels were constantly flagged as orange and red, which meant that if you came back to Belgium from a specific region that was orange, you could have been asked to quarantine. Alternatively, if you came back from a RED region you were obliged to do it.

This uncertainty has caused a lot of people to cancel their trips, because traveling from Europe to Romania to visit their families was putting them at the risk of not being able to resume their life upon return, not go to their workplace and so on.

And the weirdest thing was that airtravel with some airlines meant a lot higher exposure because no distancing was in place on the airplane -people would be seated one next to the other!

Did it happen to other people?"
1,81259,2020-08-03T10:31:40.821Z,14200,0,23,22,17,0,0,149.6,81259,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"At Edgeryders we just hosted an online event with the [co-working sector across the world.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/summit-resilience/371) We can learn a lot from what is happening with work-from-home today, and how co-working could open possibilities when the lockdowns are over. Many community members have written about the difficulties of working from home and uncertainty (@anon1531708603), the lack of support for our young generation (@anon2971899728), for mothers and young families (@anon2493911774, @anon681684766), and climate action needed (@anon861651597). How you see your future at work nowadays?

## The future is here - the transition towards remote work

We now see that nobody has a job for life anymore: you don’t have one job or a fulltime job your entire career. For the first time in history, we have 5 generations working at the same time, said @anon

Because of covid19, many companies will not be going back to the offices - and it’s not just digital companies and giants like Twitter, but also service providers are shifting to working digitally. This Portuguese veterinary care online is a good example.
<br>
![|480x360](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oGCEGycWgfo/hqdefault.jpg)

*Website at https://www.barkyn.com/.*

<br>

From my own little research, there are many benefits coming from not using office buildings as we know them - crowded and concentrated around cities:

* **Economical benefits**: In the US it was calculated that a typical employer can save about 11000$ per year for every person who works remotely half of the time ([source](https://globalworkplaceanalytics.com/global-workplace-analytics-in-the-news)).

* **Environmental benefits**: what happens when we don’t have to drive a car to work? Reducing our commuter travel could drastically reduce our carbon footprint. An example from California: cars going to work make for 28% of the state’s greenhouse gas emissions ([source](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-california-insight/a-climate-problem-even-california-cant-fix-tailpipe-pollution-idUSKCN1PQ4MJ)). Imagine how our cities could begin to serve their people again and not just be office and pollution hubs.

* **Social benefits:** Even if we are still to find out the exact ways in which remote working affects our interactions, social and family lives, remote working has also been raised as a way to create more inclusive workplaces. Some research suggests that for example women with young children value even more the flexibility brought by remote working.

Work life balance is a difficult thing in any situation: a Eurofound EU survey results reveal that 18% of all workers report working in their free time at least every other day; however, over 1 in 4 workers (27%) who work from home as a result of the pandemic state that they work in their free time to meet the demands of work (at least every other day).

![|624x241](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/CtAxZwitUCAj-k5LFMqJdlgcjSTAo2FmaypTh2WXMby4LnfCEbrZ7V1vqUfNAYM6JMTmpY9IkEOtXXye0FMnknWdfTNuK3acNIn69tpV1l-D50qX-Jm1FRpZ5Cg69lsL6vdbCbpf)
*Image source: Eurofound report (April 2020)*

## What about co-working spaces? Are they well placed to meet this need for healthy workspace, sociality and support?

Here are some key insights from the Edgeryders event with dozens of co-founders and managers of such spaces:

While in the early days co-working spaces were mostly the kind of business in real estate, this has changed: It’s not a real estate business anymore, because with social distancing and all, all of the economics of coworking have changed. 
> You’ll probably have to bring in less the number of people in the space… At least for some amount considering moving by a number of people. I think now it’s time to focus on building the human connection rather than building the space. - @anon
Nacho Rodriguez, founder of Coworking and Co-living Canary Islands, makes a similar point:

> I think that more and more communities are going to have to suffer from loneliness, and they are going to need that community aspect.

## Co-working is not only about startups, unicorns, and the digital economy. Nowadays some coworking spaces are focusing on the hyperlocal to meet real community needs

It seems that the days when co-working spaces were targeting only digital workers or nomadic workers are gone, and there is a shift to meeting more local, or ‘hyperlocal’ community needs:

* **More local membership.** Some coworking spaces that were trendy for digital nomads are starting to see more local people coming in, due to the travel restrictions: 
> Before the pandemic, 80% of our members were foreigners. Now 80% are Indians. This change has happened in less than 4 months. -says @anon

* **More intimate and more social than normal offices:** we are talking about 15-20 seats or more, but likely not hundreds. Within this range, you can actually focus on building a community, make knowledge more accessible for people who want to learn from others, who are also not their bosses.

* **Rural offices:** Another benefit of having a co-working space around is that through 5G, wireless connectivity, it would allow people to work from areas that are more remote. Can we bridge the rural-urban gap by setting up offices in smaller towns or rural areas, connecting them to the Internet and teaching more people how to use it? In India, one of our community members is running skill sharing programs to bridge this divide and create more digital and work equality. In Ireland, the National Association of Community Enterprise Centers (NACEC) are developing quality standards for digitization and climate change and are using co-working as a regional development tool!

> The government also needs to focus on building the ecosystem. Not just spaces, but then encouraging internet service providers to invest and have better networks at such places, or creating some basic facilities [(source).](https://edgeryders.eu/t/coworking-has-the-potential-to-be-a-great-equalizer/14034)


* **‘Coworking has the potential to be a great equaliser’.** It makes effective remote work possible, by offering access, opportunities, and community. Some spaces are very much pursuing inclusivity: My space managed using social enterprise principles. During this pandemic our beneficiaries (50 children workers) and children of farmers visits our space even more often to access internet because they have to, schools are close and things go online, so now they see the needs of technology, says Asih Murniasih. We also see opportunities for support groups: one co-working entrepreneur has started hosting Virtual Coworking Days to facilitate peer support among women workers: http://womenwhocowork.ie/

## Are co-working spaces going to be better prepared to deal with social distancing/ regulations than the traditional office?

Co-working managers told us they are of course dropping the shared desk, and have hygiene routines in place. But there are also challenges with regulations:

Just look back, and think, how many changes and new regulations have we had over the last three months. If we had implemented, or done things for each of them, we’d be first, crazy, and second, I’d spend a lot of money. For a lot of this, it’s not only for working spaces, it made more sense just to close, and wait until there is some sort of near-reality that they can understand, and know what the new rules are. -@anon

What is easier to do than larger businesses or organisations is to shift quickly to technological solutions: they are granting and revoking access to the space to anyone in the community 24/7, through an app. This makes it possible for co-working spaces to practically self-manage.

## What do you think about this? Tell us about your situation to connect with others who can support or give you advice:

* Where are you working from, nowadays, and how is it going for you?
* Is your government supporting work-from-home programs?
* Does your employer have a permanent remote work policy or do you think this is just temporary, during covid19?"
2,83393,2020-09-18T14:24:06.447Z,14200,2,13,12,3,0,0,57.6,81259,anon95046639,anon2446385507,"The topic of co-working and the tools used in remote work is very relevant for freelancing.
Since the freelancer week is coming up (deadline for proposal 30th of September) and we wanted to organise some follow up events for the co-working summit either way this would be a great combination.

my proposal would be a 1h triad conversation on the topic of freelancing, coworking and technological tools that is open to a live audience.

I would like to invite:
1. A technology provider such as @anon
2. A freelancer
3. A coworking space provider or an organisation that works a lot with freelancers 

WIP title:
“What freelancers really need - How does technology help freelancers to thrive and where do we desperately need to improve?” (please suggest alternatives)

(also discussed this here)
https://edgeryders.eu/t/remote-work-with-human-interaction-is-the-way-of-the-future/14035/5

Do you know people I could reach out to add to the conversation triad?"
3,83533,2020-09-22T13:17:21.487Z,14200,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,81259,anon781457888,anon2446385507,Ping @anon
4,83536,2020-09-22T14:17:59.400Z,14200,0,10,9,0,0,0,17.0,83533,anon448531967,anon781457888,"hey Nadia, already in discussion directly with @anon95046639 on this. Also, to note @anon"
5,83542,2020-09-22T14:32:30.740Z,14200,1,9,8,0,0,0,51.8,83393,anon3790895934,anon95046639,"Maybe Jenny Bjorklof - Community Manager
Freelancers in Belgium, I attended last year's edition of Freelancers in Belgium Day, she organised. I can send you her contact... This year they will organise several events, https://www.eventbrite.com/e/freelance-forward-start-as-a-freelancer-in-belgium-tickets-116847314463."
6,83544,2020-09-22T14:36:49.528Z,14200,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,83542,anon95046639,anon3790895934,would be great if you could connect us :).
7,83871,2020-09-28T12:36:38.835Z,14200,1,8,7,2,0,0,31.6,83393,anon95046639,anon95046639,"We have our first confirmed speaker for the session:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/matthew-mottola-will-join-for-a-triad-conversation-on-freelancing-tech-resilience/14480

:)"
8,83900,2020-09-28T15:34:51.545Z,14200,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,83871,anon2446385507,anon95046639,"That's really great Maria, I'm looking forward and hoping to be able to attend, 
Will also reach out to other community members who I am sure will be interested in this topic!"
1,83302,2020-09-16T17:39:48.949Z,14417,0,12,11,5,0,0,42.4,83302,anon1836820155,anon1836820155,"mam na imie anon1836820155 i jestem nowa menedżerka społeczności Edgeryders w Polsce.

Bardzo się ciesze możliwością rozmawiać z interesującymi ludźmi i czytać ich historię, które oferuje Edgeryders. Mam nadzieję, że ta komunikacja się zaowocuje nowymi znajomościami, wspólnymi projektami i skutecznymi rozwiązaniami ważnych problemów.

Wierze w misje Edgeryders - powiększyc zdolności każdego do tego, żeby dobrze żyć i pracować w trudnych czasach.

Pochodzę z Białorusi, to jest więcej hardcorowy kraj niż Polska. Przyjechałam do Polski dwa lata temu na studia z dziennikarstwa. Niestety za ten czas sytuacja polityczna w moim kraju się zmieniła radykalnie. Dlatego chce się odnaleźć w Polsce, kraju obecnie bardzo polaryzowanym. Cały czas obserwuje, że jest w Polsce wielu ljudzi nieszczesliwych z roznych powodow. Myślę, że jest dla tego sporo przyczyn, politycznych, społecznych i ekonomicznych, ale pozytywne zanon1235093333ny są tez możliwe.

Będę wspierać wasza aktywność na forum, są zaplanowane różne inspirujące wydarzenia w Polsce, żeby się spotkać i porozmawiać, niestety w tym momencie raczej online. Społeczności Edgeryders zależy na komunikacji i „inteligencji zbiorowej”. Każdy z nas może skorzystać z wiedzy o tym, jak nasi sąsiedzi radzą sobie z codziennymi problemami, lub jak to robią mieszkańcy innej części kraju. W najbliższym czasie na forum Edgeryders Wellbeing już będą pierwsze posty i anonsy. Serdecznie zapraszam na Edgeryders!"
2,83844,2020-09-28T07:02:56.906Z,14417,0,6,5,0,0,0,1.2,83302,anon2446385507,anon1836820155,"Witamy w EdgeRyders!
Ciekaw jestem, jak zarabiasz na życie lub udaje ci się wieść dobre życie. Czy jesteś zadowolony ze swojej sytuacji?

W zeszłym roku wielu Polaków podzieliło się swoimi historiami i wyglądało na to, że większość ludzi z trudem sobie radzi. To jest przykład @anon1442549864, który żyje dzięki połączeniu nisko płatnej pracy i pomocy państwa (na przykład: na mieszkanie). W jej rodzinie to mąż ma prawdziwą pracę. Jednak nie stać ich na wakacje:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/nie-ma-luksusow-ale-sie-zyje/10360

Jak myślisz, jaka zanon1235093333na jest potrzebna, aby więcej ludzi mogło lepiej żyć w Polsce?

(Przepraszam za błędy gramatyczne, użyłem Tłumacza Google do pisania po polsku)"
1,79670,2020-06-29T08:30:50.814Z,13986,1,22,21,81,0,0,444.4,79670,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"*Notes from the session: https://edgeryders.eu/t/session-on-endangered-researchers-and-precarity-in-higher-education/13414. We thank all 16 participants who attended the session: the four speakers below, David Schmudde, Maria Euler, Jirka Kocian, cagladiner, Katja (K G), Sara Nur Yildiz, Eren Akin, Pascale Labourier, Wojciech, Alberto Cottica, John Coate*

## ‘We have been dismissed and exiled, nevertheless we are free and we will sacrifice everything to be free’

Introduction by Asli Telli who begins by citing U. K Le Guin, her activism and radical thought are relevant. Critical thought and action to HE landscape now is what sci-fi is to classical novel writing.

About the **diverse_precarious mailing list** : Initiated on 5 March, 2020 during Open Uni Day we celebrated in Köln in the context of ongoing strikes/protests in the UK, France and Italy. 20 people of whom many are also activists in education unions, collaborating with solidarity academics for progress reforms in the Bologna system as well as the excellence clusters in Germany. Geographically based in Germany, but dealing with trans-sectional issues beyond borders.

## Academic neoliberal agendas: ‘if we win in France against a neo-liberal university, we can stain the oil well beyond national borders’

By Cristina del Biaggio. 
*NB: Notes in 1st person follow Christina's words.*

I am a geographer, working on migrations and borders. In this moment working on migrants deaths in the Alpine region and on networks of sanctuary cities. I started late my PhD and did not only work in acadeanon1235093333. I have as well experience in NGOs and am quite active as well on migration justice issues as an activist pleading for freedom of movement. And I do not really separate my activist experience with my academic experience. I live at the borders between the two.

I am Swiss and Italian and I am since 2017 living in France, in Grenoble.

She has been a supporter of Academics for Peace in Turkey since 2016, and organised two seminars (see links below). When in Switzerland, Cristina accumulated 24 contracts - from assistant to lecturer, 50-60%, always in an unstable precarious situation.

In France now she has a permanent position, she is basically a civil servant. From December 2019 to March 2020 strikes started in France against a law that was thought by the French government, she was feeling bad because the reason she was there was actually what made her go away from Switzerland - she was realising that France was going in the same direction.

The reality in Switzerland: few places for professors, who were ready to take on as many precarious as they could who were dependent on them. A minority of women were professors - 20% in Basel, Lausanne and in other places. Privileged situation for PhD students - good materials, equipment, research funding, great for those at the head, but generalised precarity at all the middle level. Nothing in between.

Key issues:

* There are **no intermediary permanent positions** as a young doctor you can only pretend having precarious contracts

* Recurrent problems of **sexual harassment**

* The institutions perpetuate the myth that **“stars professors from abroad” are much better than locals** (of course, this increases the Shangai index), exclusion of Swiss researchers (formed with Swiss money…) from the permanent position

* You are pushed to make **long experiences abroad** (with all the difficulties that this means when you are not 20 years old anymore)

She thought: she cannot go on, as she was working on topics that were not critical. She said to herself: either I quit acadeanon1235093333 to work in another sector or I find a position that’s permanent. When she turned 40 she found it in France, at the Univ of Grenoble.

### **'My actual experience in France as permanent academic in a endangered university'**

France is seen abroad, but as well by the politicians in power, as having “20 years delay compared to the other countries”. This is why in the last years they tried (and partly managed) to reform the university system. Indeed, in France, universities resisted the “neoliberal sirens singing”, until recently. It is actually what brought me in France.

* **Precarity:** introduction of “tenure tracks”, not anymore recruited on the base of “annual national competition” but on criteria decided by each university. This while France was still a country with a high number of personnel in intermediary by permanent position MCF = assistant professors).
Today, in the institute where I teach, 50% of the teaching hours are given either via extra-hours or precarious.
It is calculated that France lacks about 10000 professors (or assistant professors) to cover the needs in teaching, now occupied by precarious personnel which is paid less than the minimum wage (less than 10 EUR/hour) and when they are lucky paid every semester!!
It has been calculated that if the trends continue as it did in the last 5-10 years, in 2030 there will be 0 MCF recruited.

* **Less and less long-term resources and more financial resources through projects via the national science fund** (called ANR)

* **Privatisation** (via project funds)

You have in Germany a lot of things trying to be put in place, or in France to close the gap, but it’s the absence of those things which made it more valuable - we could have used them for post-neoliberal university but unfortunately things are going in the opposite direction.

> *If I am fighting here and now it is because I firmly believe that if we win in France against a neo-liberal university, we can stain the oil well beyond national borders. And if, in France, we do not give in to the siren song of neoliberal universities, I am also firmly convinced that the supposed ""delay"" decried by some today will turn into an advance in the future. Because the discontent is also growing in other European countries, which are fighting for what we in France are losing, but fortunately we have not yet completely lost.* - Cristina ([source](http://www.riurba.review/2020/03/comprendre-le-neoliberalisme-universitaire-francais-a-partir-de-la-suisse/) - in French)

### **We need safe spaces, we need to care for each other.**

The Government is trying to pass a new law as quickly as possible - we have to learn a lot about what happened in Turkey. What we are going to do now when universities in France will become as others in Europe. The new law provisions to remove autonomy of HE institutions as well as knowledge workers and cut back budgets on permanent positions, turning knowledge production into one of neoliberal order, precarious, temporary and mostly based on short-term project funding (this is the actual system in Germany and Switzerland in the last decade, so it seems like these two are acting as models to other states in Europe).

Which strategy for knowledge production, knowledge transmission, critical thought in this structural liberal scenario of precarity and privatization? What I learned from you is that there are probably strategies to put into place to at least continue in another way - to do what we are asked for: thinking and producing knowledge.

## Systemic inequalities and lost knowledge in higher education: ‘precarious researchers are seen increasingly instrumentally - sources to be mined, and then discarded at the end of a project’

By Rebecca Collins.

Has been at Chester for 6 years - it’s a very different type of institution than where she had been before.

The idea of expectations of mobility touched on by Cristina: there’s an expectation of mobility which drives fragmentation.

Precarity looks very differently in different types of institutions in different places. The nature of precarity at my institution is different - especially because of demographics and geographies i.e. age compared to other higher education institutions in the UK.

1. **Economic circumstances** - country, but also family circumstances, where an individual comes from; relationship status: does someone have a partner? gender inequality: who is the careworker in the family? Who does the caring work at the workplace? Not just managerial styles; if you’re an academic who teaches, who is doing the majority of pastoral work?

2. **Race and ethnic identity bias** : relates to accessibility of opportunities, but also the forms of knowledge created within those groups and the extent they are seen as acceptable. In the UK it’s gaining a bit of traction, but remains to be seen if it will create change.

3. **National politics driving systemic inequality** -freedom of thought, freedom of speech, as well as party political values and priorities. How and why knowledge is being lost? At the university institutional level, each university has its own package of history and identity: who is seen as the right fit?

All of these intersecting demographic challenges need to be navigated, depending on who you are.

All of these inequalities contribute in different ways to ‘lost knowledge’, valorised knowledge production: whose experiences are heard and whose aren’t. Often not explicitly so.

Educational systems are across difft global north contexts driven by traditional neoliberal structures. If we’re being told increasingly that we have to show how our research contributes to improving society. But if we frame our funding calls around that, we are not theoretical enough. All these contradictions are produced.

Rebecca is concerned about **early career researchers:** I skipped precarity, I don’t have the lived embodied experience, but reflected on precarity experienced by others. Realised that precarious researchers are seen increasingly instrumentally - sources to be mined, and then discarded at the end of a project. We’ve long seen this approach to research *participants* as deeply unethical, so how long until the same view is taken of precarious researchers?

Pascale: The liberalization of our academic market - for an outsider academic is a difficult political problem. On one end, we are very critical. But on the other, our precarity is also transmitted forward for incoming researchers.

Asli: ‘Fake internalization’, ‘forced displacement’ like in Turkey, Syria, Latin America. It is indeed a dilemma because we can actually politically endanger academics.

## Decolonial movements and alternative unionization efforts

By Ayse Batur.

Ayse studied in Turkey and then went to Canada to do a PhD. Wasn’t able to finish because of the 2008 crisis. Came back to Turkey to do freelancing translation and editing. Now in Germany.

As scholars or international workers, we have failed to protect our field. A lot of people from Turkey had to find new professions. This failure pushes you to make a realistic analysis of the working situations.

Even though France, UK, Switzerland are facing new neoliberal policies and reductions to the programs, they still have a lot of funding, especially Germany, whereas in places in Turkey, Italy, Greece, they depend on public funding for a lot of the research positions. Something that amazes the rest of us - is that there is a lot of money, so it’s about how it’s distributed. For example, research institutes produce research, and seminars, but they don’t become part of the academic structures.

Scholars have the opportunity to challenge the high castle - through i.e. feminism, or feminist studies. Women’s movements have pressured unis in the US to introduce gender equality, decolonialism/ postcolonialism and other categories relevant for diminishing inequality, that have affected disciplines internally.

We are in a vulnerable situation, but we also have a critical perspective from the inside.

What is the bird-eye view in order to connect the dots?

Our struggle here, in trying to produce the critical work in our field, is also connected to what is happening in our cities. I think we should try to reconnect to that.

Suggestions:

* try to see the connection between our practice and the movements

* organise around labour and around our work from i.e. precarious conditions, like Cristina working as an itinerant scholar. Many Turkish colleagues who came to Germany without really understanding their contractual position. Universities have a lot of regulations putting limits to intermediary scholars i.e. how long they can work in the same institution. This is yet another level of precariousness. We need to start talking about real life conditions.

## Discussion

Cristina: Reacting to Ayse’s words « we have failed to protect the university » —> Actually we finished the seminar with scholars from Brazil and Turkey by saying: « We cannot probably safe the world, but we have now to care for ourselves and found safe spaces where we can continue to produce and transmit knowledge ». This is what a researcher from Brazil said to a researcher from Turkey while giving her a necklace handcrafted by a group of indigenous people in Amazonia.

Maria: I’m a first generation academic in Sweden, from a rural area. None of our parents went to university. A lot of us struggle a lot to do this next step - getting into real academic circles. A lot of us default to other kinds of work. I think the reason is the lack of guidance and our perception of acadeanon1235093333. Those already in it know how to play the game, but for the rest of us it’s hard.

Nur: Acadeanon1235093333 is a pyramid scheme—in response to Maria—it is meant to fail the majority. let me qualify my comment: Neoliberal academic system functions like a pyramid system

Cristina: trying to find a way that you are not lost in this inegalitarian, racist, hierarchical system that is the university. On the other side, you have to know what you want. What is happening now in France is that a lot of young people say - I’m going to go through it because I think in the end I’m going to make it.

Ayse: we need to create sites of resistance, more stable structures in order to continue the struggle; labour unions are just one of them. Example: [www.biraradaakademi.org](http://www.biraradaakademi.org) in Turkey

anon2649858692mi: What about networks that are not only with academics, where civil society also joins because you need different kinds of interventions or lobbying. Examples were given (see refs below)

From Rebecca: Love Ayse's point about not understanding social norms of the seminar room. Such a big barrier for those for whom university (whether undergrad, postgrad, research...) is a huge unknown. I remember being so scared as an undergrad that I didn't know how to interact in supervisions (very small group teaching). Took me most of my first year to get to grips with it. There's a bigger point here about class cultural norms and how they shape accessibility of education.

Cristina: This is not something to support, but we built a network of women and feminist geographers in France and it is really useful to exchange information, practices, references, etc. This is quite useful not to feel alone and to build resistance

Nur: Lost her job in Turkey for political reasons. Wasn’t active for family reasons, and she was busy. She’s here through Ayse. It’s important that we do see ourselves as academic labourers, rather than academics. It allows us to position ourselves differently, and to organise. I don’t have a lot of hope for Acadeanon1235093333 right now, but the only hope is through really serious organisation.

To stop accepting that exploitative labour also means to stop buying into this story about ""if you go through this and are good enough you will get there"".

David: Currently in Turin, Italy, an independent researcher and freelancer. New to the continent, has a decade of experience in the US. Was involved in a labour movement in the US - labour has historically been progressive, it’s arguable how they helped marginalised groups, but they played some role in this dynamic. In the US, we rely increasingly on adjunct faculty contracts - semester to semester. This is happening when tuition costs are rising for students. It’s not sustainable for much longer.

In the Illinois Institute of Art in Chicago, we had a labour fight where the professors were also interested in working with the adjuncts for a deal. They were not unionised at the time - so they had a good incentive. We had a union vote, we lost the union vote, but what broke us was a series of mandatory meetings violating the laws. They were supposed to be neutral educators attending - they suggested strongly that if the full time faculty did not organise, they had to look for what they were most prioritising. The adjuncts could dilute the bargaining power. If the full time professors did strike for better terms, the university could pick up some classes that they wanted. **It was in the uni’s best interest to negotiate with us separately and dilute the union vote.**

Katja: PhD student in Bonn. Non-transparent practices of the steering committee, you can’t know how it works, who has what rights. She challenged the voting process of PhD students leadership and was completely silenced.

Rebecca: Is the centre linked to an academic department or faculty? Or is it completely independent?

Katja: ...it's independent, financed by the DFG (German Research Foundation)

Rebecca - I can see how that makes accountability for poor practice much harder to challenge. I can't think of an easy solution.., I hope you have some support and solidarity from peer networks, if not from your fellow PhD students.

Katja: in Germany, a lot of graduate centers are clusters, or sanon3922700746tes that are not part of the university structure, funded for a fixed term. Example https://www.dependency.uni-bonn.de/en

## Related links:

Unbundled University: Comprehensive research project on precarities and inequalities in HE. Recently had  conversation with Mariya Ivencheva, who is part of the research team and interested in moving the findings further: https://unbundleduni.com/about-2/

https://acadeanon1235093333.hypotheses.org/lheure-est-greve-et-confinement/dissent-in-european-higher-education

https://www.roars.it/online/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Sapere-per-il-futuro-documento-1-2.pdf

Colleagues organizing this petition are now planning a counter-summit during the summit of Education Ministers on Bologna process in November 2020. Our contact for this counter-summit is Valeria Pinto, so we can get in touch with her for concrete advocacy pathways.

Work: Democratize, Decommodify, Remediate https://democratizingwork.org

""The world of work cannot and should not look the same after this crisis.”, UN Secretary General 18/06/2020 https://www.un.org/en/coronavirus/world-work-cannot-and-should-not-look-same-after-crisis

Two seminars organized in Grenoble (trying to make links between France, Turkey and Brazil):

2018: “Produire des savoirs en situation d’Etat d'urgence” https://www.pacte-grenoble.fr/actualites/produire-des-savoirs-en-situation-d-etat-d-urgence → see the text co-written by Gizem Sayın, Çağla Aykaç, Cristina Del Biaggio, Claske Dijkema: https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02295382/document

2019, “Universitaires en danger - Journée de réflexion et de solidarités avec des universitaires du Brésil et de Turquie” https://www.pacte-grenoble.fr/actualites/universitaires-en-danger-journee-de-reflexion-et-de-solidarites-avec-des-universitaires-du-bresil-et

Examples of networks beyond academics:

Peace Academics in Germany - https://academicsforpeace-germany.org/

Call for Precarious International events:

https://www.mittelbau.net/call-for-participation-precarious-internationale-solidarity-network-meeting/

Strikes around acadeanon1235093333 in different European countries:

Policy workshop for Recent Issues in HE. Academics in Solidarity is also an ally https://www.fu-berlin.de/en/sites/academicsinsolidarity/media/AiS_Policy_Workshop_Call.pdf

Dissent in European (and beyond) higher education

https://acadeanon1235093333.hypotheses.org/lheure-est-greve-et-confinement/dissent-in-european-higher-education

Audio recording of precarious experience in acadeanon1235093333 in France (and in French). Maybe can inspire some here to do it at the (at least) European level: https://universiteouverte.org/2020/04/24/portraits-de-precaires-entretiens-dessines-avec-cyril-pedrosa/

**Possible Models for Decent Knowledge Work**

There is Room for Everyone`s Talent, position paper by EUA and VSNU in the Netherlands https://www.vsnu.nl/recognitionandrewards/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Position-paper-Room-for-everyone%E2%80%99s-talent.pdf

NGAWiss meeting Leipziger model for revised permanent positions in Germany: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5c69nal0ag74ywn/NGAWiss_Netzwerktreffenanon301294746420.zip?dl=0

Interesting point about the role of civil society in changing institutions."
2,79757,2020-06-30T09:25:41.835Z,13986,1,11,10,1,0,0,42.2,79670,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"Thanks again to everyone who participated, the session has deeply shaped how I think about Acadeanon1235093333 nowadays, and I feel for people in @anon95046639's cohort who have to struggle to understand if to try to become established professionals there, and how.

When I first spoke to Asli, it seemed that the neoliberal surge on higher education in some parts of the world is surprising: you'd expect it mostly in authoritarian states like Turkey, or Latin America, but you woudnt't think of a country like Germany (high capital, technical expertise..). I understood that the problems are around how secretly politicised higher education is, which creates stratification - Asli mentioned that in Germany there is no Ivy League, but after an initiative around Excellence (?) only those universities were offered funding - it created a more contentious discourse than Ivy League. The State funding is decided by partisan discourse - not on scientific grounds, but based on political parties. Did I get it right @anon3922700746 @anon

I'm bringing this on because it could be an important point to dissect, as with Edgeryders we are now launching a conversation about populism in Eastern Germany as part of the [POPREBEL project - In Deutschland.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing) 

Possibly it can also be taken forward by participants coming in through Daniel @anon1921414910's efforts.  

So: are there things that we would like to understand better in terms of the German model, but also others, probably similar?"
3,79761,2020-06-30T10:09:46.422Z,13986,2,11,10,1,0,0,47.2,79757,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"Thank you @anon2446385507 for this igniter here. Yes, the partisan approach in Germany is almost invisible, neatly covered through formalized structures and deep layers of bureaucracy. The state-funding as well as the federal funding goes through lines of meritocracy as well as political decisions in a way that forced internationalization (Bologna Process and excellence) is also in place, This aggravates precarity in all senses. And yes, getting in touch with POPREBEL team would be interesting: In terms of the paths opened by neoliberal strikes to right populisms, the disbelief in science and also for the work, I’d presume, they do on diaspora politics and inequalities. Plus, right populisms is within my personal research interest. Any type of decent labor work, I believe in @anon1921414910 team as well in terms of the impact of the pandemic on education, would be interesting for us. Let’s try to take this forward."
4,79762,2020-06-30T10:12:28.202Z,13986,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,79761,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"As for @anon95046639’s and many of our concerns, we think a support group would be a good initial step to reflect together. We are already considering possibilities through Decent Labor in HE network (NGAWiss) platform for Precarious International. Will hopefully be back with more news soon. Any ideas and support would be welcome, of course:)"
5,79800,2020-06-30T17:58:14.997Z,13986,1,10,9,1,1,0,12.0,79670,anon2867672406,anon3922700746,"[quote=""anon3922700746, post:1, topic:13986""]
Recurrent problems of **sexual harassment**
[/quote]

Jesus. ""Recurrent"". :frowning:

Question for everyone: from listening to you, it seemed that *all* acadeanon1235093333 is going precarious, except for a relatively small cadre at the top. Right? It does not matter if your uni is in a country run by an antiglobalist (Turkey) or a hyperglobalist (France), the hiring processes are the same, and so is the precarity. Am I correct?"
6,79804,2020-06-30T19:33:06.587Z,13986,0,10,9,1,0,0,37.0,79800,anon3922700746,anon2867672406,"Right on, @anon2867672406! Turkey is actually also hyperglobalist with an Islamic and censor-machine twist- uni’s are closed down, dissenting academics are dismissed and free speech is in ruins. France is rather facing the economic surge of neoliberalism with hierarchies and elitism getting more connected to the establishment. There, the autonomy of the university as an institution is actually at stake. These all end up in precariat of the critical knowledge workers in a zero sum game. God bless the upcoming generations (assuming ours is already lost). Well, it is that bad, but at the same time, great to see the awareness finally rising for dismantling the Elephant in the Room."
7,79823,2020-07-01T11:44:37.878Z,13986,1,10,9,1,1,0,27.0,79761,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"[quote=""anon3922700746, post:3, topic:13986""]
right populisms is within my personal research interest.
[/quote]

@anon3379710332 is definitely someone to talk to, or even meet if you can cross paths - he's going to be in Berlin soon I think."
8,80194,2020-07-09T11:56:46.616Z,13986,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,79823,anon3379710332,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon3922700746

I'm sorry I was unable to attend the session on the neoliberal university. My own neoliberal university was keeping me busy! Are you based in Berlin? I was supposed to be there now but my research trip was cancelled due to COVID. If things return to 'normal', I'm be coming to Berlin in anon4110936133uary for three months. Hopefully, we can meet up and talk about right-wing populism over coffee. 

Best wishes

anon3379710332"
9,80254,2020-07-11T12:33:13.337Z,13986,0,8,7,1,0,0,51.6,79670,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"Hello @anon3379710332, thanks for your note. I’m based near Cologne, but do come to Berlin once every 3 months or so for meetings/workshops etc. Thus, if you happen to come in anon4110936133uary, pls. drop me a note here. I would be happy to chat over coffee with you in Berlin. Cheers:)"
10,81024,2020-07-27T16:52:07.511Z,13986,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,79670,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"Hi all! Just wanted to drop a note for those logging in despite the probable summer break. A great new book that celebrates transgression in our times, given the ill-wrought understandings of the society for teachers. Keep up the hope:) 
https://booktimist.com/2020/02/26/the-ends-we-seek-in-higher-education-an-excerpt-from-kevin-gannons-radical-hope/"
11,81119,2020-07-28T16:29:51.515Z,13986,2,7,6,1,0,0,31.4,81024,anon1659154220,anon3922700746,"""Education"" is such a broad term...sort of like ""community.""  I was brought up to consider the main purpose of higher education to teach us how to think critically above all else, and from there you learn specific skills pursuant to a profession.  But really that is just one way of looking at it.  And, again, what does it really mean to be ""educated?""

My ""boomer"" generation, at least in the USA, was the most educated in history.  But collectively we have, in my view, made some of the stupidest decisions imaginable.

Also, as manager of a large digital news project with 65 employees, I interviewed a lot of prospects and read a lot of cover letters.  I never found much connection between someone's college degree and their actual suitability for the work.  One way that showed up over and over was in the cover letter itself.  Some (not all - have to be fair!) of the most educated - degrees from Yale and such - wrote some of the worst cover letters, as if their idea of how to write required them to use words and make sentences that muddied rather than clarified what they were trying to say.  As if what they actually learned was how to write to please a professor, not how to communicate in the clearest possible way.

And then there are colleges that don't even attempt to open the minds of the students, but rather to reinforce stereotypes, often religious."
12,81208,2020-07-30T21:06:16.125Z,13986,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,81119,anon3922700746,anon1659154220,"thank you for the reflection @anon1659154220. I would not limit uni-degrees or educational attainment with job prospects, though. You are truly right about your insight about how the degrees do not bring in profession automatically and what is taught can be problematic in most colleges. However, the job market and the neoliberal surge are not to depend on or to prepare for. Seems like we need to think from scratch in order to make a break through."
13,81209,2020-07-30T21:32:54.264Z,13986,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,81208,anon1659154220,anon3922700746,I'm with you on that.  Seems like at this point just about everything needs to be redone from scratch..
14,81272,2020-08-03T11:33:05.330Z,13986,1,8,7,1,1,0,41.6,81119,anon95046639,anon1659154220,"[quote=""anon1659154220, post:11, topic:13986""]
I was brought up to consider the main purpose of higher education to teach us how to think critically above all else, and from there you learn specific skills pursuant to a profession.
[/quote]

For most professions, you need to ""know how it works"" you need to ""get it"" be it continued academic work or working outside of the academic institutions with the skills or methods of thinking you learned there. 

How ever, the learning of ""how that works"" and ""how to enter"" is an important step often not taught to students. For that, you have to rely on your background, networks or luck.

How should you know that it is important ""who"" grades your paper rather than how they grade it? How should you know that the internships you make are more important than your thesis in many cases? (Especially if your tutors tell you otherwise when you ask them).

We came to speak of first-generation academics and especially fist generation women academics during the call. We have all the opportunities, but many of us still grew up with parents and grandparents, especially mothers and grandmothers who told us the ""If I only could have gone to school/university I could have done so much more with my life!"". This created an exception for us to use those opportunities now given to us, but without knowing how to actually do that beyond ""going to school/university"". There are of course many other layers and steps to navigate to develop your cognitive and professional life. And of course, it is absolutely right that university is not universal or even necessarily the best way to develop your abilities, but I think many people grow up with that as the promise of how to move up and end up recognising that they only got half the memo after years of studies when they start to see all of those other layers too late or unattainable.

I know that I thought school and university would be the key things to enable me to leave the dead-end rural area without any cultural offers I grew up in. I know now that even so my studies have to lead me to many interesting thoughts and experiences, I struggled to make any living from them after my Master's degree as I simply did not know how and was not taught how to at university and did not have the background I could have asked. The jobs that enable me to continue my work and explorations have come mainly through the network of friends and peers and the few internships or other ""work-like-experiences"" I gathered more or less by chance. I am learning a lot now after 7 years of study about how I have to build up a lot of skills and a network now which I would have thought to ""get"" through the studies.  I can also see now that expecting that was probably wrong, and as you said @anon1659154220, studying mainly teaches you critically thinking, not the skills to work in a profession, but how should you know that as a student? The story is, ""study and your life will work out"" (maybe we have to learn to think more critically about that as well;)) and studying is a great part of your life, but it is not the full story and how much of it you hear, or if you even hear that part still very much is connected to your background.

I also know that I complain on a high level here. I am still extremely lucky. I could study for 7 years without giant debts due to student financial support and scholarships provided by the country I happened to be born in. I live a good life in a good place. I have some steady income by now, not much but enough to not feel like a burden on my partner and like what I am doing is at least sustainable enough to continue, however, the middle-class lifestyle we have right now would not be possible for us without his income as mine still only covers the bare minimum. And for me, that is connected to University and the chances it promises, provides or does not, as that was how I was told how to make a life and therefore where I put a lot of my energy in. Growing up I thought that University would be the door through which anyone could straight forward enter into any profession if they only commit themselves enough. Now I know that there is a lot more to that, for better and for worse."
15,81276,2020-08-03T11:46:52.589Z,13986,1,7,6,1,1,0,56.4,81272,anon2446385507,anon95046639,"[quote=""anon95046639, post:14, topic:13986""]
I struggled to make any living from them after my Master’s degree as I simply did not know how and was not taught how to at university and did not have the background I could have asked.
[/quote]

It is my case as well, and funny enough I came out of my MA with similar thoughts. [The first story I wrote on Edgeryders when I was 24](https://edgeryders.eu/t/my-story-standing-still-at-crossroads-and-hoping-for-transition-to-happen-without-me-in-it/1244) had a lot to do this problem of preparing in the University and considering an academic role - but somehow it wasn't coming together. But the irony is: I was still so young that I kept focusing on what I needed to do, and how I needed to chase opportunities, and how I did't know where to go, as if the system was dislocated from me.
All this is also a nice [throwback](https://edgeryders.eu/t/my-story-standing-still-at-crossroads-and-hoping-for-transition-to-happen-without-me-in-it/1244/6) to @anon2649601266 who at the time was saying similar things and now is an accomplished academic haha :-)

Needless to say, now the story looks different. But the struggle itself looks the same.


[quote=""anon95046639, post:14, topic:13986""]
I am still extremely lucky. I could study for 7 years without giant debts due to student financial support and scholarships provided by the country I happened to be born in.
[/quote]
Again, indigo :-) But enough with the guilt of priviledge, I was told by many to stop with it and dare to ask for more.

If our mottos in life were something along the lines of.. 'good things come to those who work dilligently.. ' it's time to upgrade them, because life rewards other skills - like you say, networking, flexibility, adaptiveness :-) And here is where we stand to win, Maria.
Or so I think."
16,81442,2020-08-06T13:53:43.826Z,13986,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,81276,anon95046639,anon2446385507,"Thank you very much @anon2446385507 for this response. Many people go through similar phases, experiences and find ways to deal with it, change their perspective and keep growing besides and because of it. It is good to share those things from time to time and feel understood, normalised and encouraged.  

Helping each other and the improvement of the system is of course also key."
17,81517,2020-08-07T14:55:14.961Z,13986,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,81442,anon3922700746,anon95046639,"Thank you @anon95046639 and @anon2446385507 for addressing the issue through personal stories. Your experience resonates with migrant family descendants (3rd or 4th generation mostly) in Germany (Turkish/Kurdish origin) who end up being the 1st generation university students. Their challenge is a bit sharper and more pointed than other international students in that they do not feel a sense of belonging to the culture or the academic setting. Thus, drop-out rates are also high. I think this or similar cohorts would be helpful in figuring out how to proceed given the decline of the HE image as well as the state of the art for white-collared workers if and when they graduate. Definitely a lot to learn, given the extra burden the pandemic has brought us."
18,83154,2020-09-15T04:27:11.340Z,13986,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,79670,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"Hi folks:) Just wanted to share with you an article of mine that appeared on Forum Wissenschaft 3/2020 issue on “Science and the Future”. The article is entitled: “Dissent in Higher Education: An International Overview at Pandemic Times and Beyond”. Here is a scanned pdf: https://www.acadeanon1235093333.edu/44078594/Dissent_in_Higher_Education_An_International_Overview_at_Pandemic_Times_and_Beyond
Looking forward to your comments. There is a short referral to the particular edgeryders session towards the end of the text, unfortunately the hyperlink did not get through the print as the editor enlisted only some of the hyperlinks as footnotes. The mention is there, anyhow."
1,59248,2019-09-13T11:00:55.808Z,10770,0,17,16,32,0,0,173.4,59248,anon722293676,anon722293676,"Cześć,

Jako osoba nigdy nie należąca do Kościoła Rzymsko-Katolickiego, od dziecka zanon1547754019m się z poczuciem dyskryminacji. Zarówno w szkole, czy potem w życiu zawodowym mam wrażenie, że mimo deklaracji laickiego państwa system uprzywilejowania społecznego promuje anon3213561856olików, w wyanon1235093333rze ekonominczym, społecznym, religijnym, dostępu do służby zdrowia, organizacji czasu pracy i dni wolnych, wartości rodzinnych itd. Aktualnie KRK bierze aktywny udział w życiu politycznym kraju, co tym bardziej mnie zastanawia i martwi. Dodatkowo wiele z skrajnych grup konserwatywnych deklaruje chęć rozszczerzania wpływu instytucji kościoła na życie społeczeństwa w Polsce.

pozdrawiam"
2,59650,2019-09-19T13:46:14.481Z,10770,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,59248,anon3593942245,anon722293676,"Cześć,  @anon722293676 - witamy w edgeryders!

Jako osoba niewierząca, wychowana w anon3213561856olickim domu, mam podobne obserwacje. Najgorzej było z przekonaniem rodziców do tego, że nie będę chodziła do kościoła i moje poglądy się zmieniły. Przez lata byłam przekonywana do zanon1235093333ny i do tego, że trzeba chodzić. Z drugiej strony, to, jak Polacy żyją często nijak się ma do tego, co napisane jest w Biblii - ziejąca nietolerancja, sypiące się rodziny, przemoc, alkohol, a jednocześnie regularne wizyty w Kościele. Ta gra pozorów nieustannie mnie zastanawia.

Czy są jakieś konkretne sprawy, problemy, które chciałabyś wskazać? Zastanawiam się, jakie metody mogłyby zadziałać? Jak możemy stworzyć warunki, w których religijne osoby, bez wstydu, żyją obok niereligijnych, które nie muszą się stresować funkcjonowaniem w warunkach, w których wartości i zasady są im narzucane. 

Bardzo jestem ciekawa Twoich przemyśleń. 

Pozdrawiam!"
3,60025,2019-09-27T13:16:37.612Z,10770,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,59248,anon1274458134,anon722293676,"Cześć! Tutaj głos z drugiej strony barykady :) ciężko będzie mi w tym krótkim wpisie poruszyć wszystkie sprawy, które cisną mi się na myśl po przeczytaniu wpisu anon722293676'y i Natalii. Ale tak na szybko, to z pewnością zgodzę się, że jest sporo niechęci względem osób deklarujących się jako niewierzące, jakichś durnych przytyków i wyśmiewania ich decyzji. Z drugiej strony zdarzyło mi się tez spotkać wojujących antyklerykałów, dla których każdy przejaw pobożności był li tylko godnym pogardy zaanon1085691282onem. Ale tak naprawdę chciałem napisać o czymś innym. W skrócie - mimo wielu swoich wad (tak, widzę i nepotyzm i zachłanność i tuszowanie spraw przestępstw seksualnych) jako instytucja, Kościół Katolicki w Polsce jest w dużej mierze deopozytariuszem bliskich mi wartości i kultury. Uważam, że właśnie dzięki istnieniu KRK jako zorganizowanej i shierachizowanej instytucji przetrwaliśmy zarówno zabory jak i sowiecką okupację. Zauważcie, że w krajach prawosławnych, gdzie Cerkiew jest zwykle silniej podporządkowana aktualnej władzy, reżimy komunistyczne były dużo silniejsze i bardziej opresyjne niż u nas. Dlatego wcale nie uważam uczestnictwa Kościoła w życiu społecznym, a nawet politycznym za coś negatywnego. Chociaż jak widzę całą Radę Ministrów uczestniczącą oficjalnie w uroczystościach Radia Maryja to jednak coś mnie trafia ;)"
4,62722,2019-11-01T00:21:13.751Z,10770,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,60025,anon2971899728,anon1274458134,"Jak większość Polaków i 100% moich znajomych wychowana zostałam w rodzienie anon3213561856olickiej. Rozmów o Bogu w domu nie prowadziliśmy, a praktyki religijne wynikały z tradycji, a nie świadomych działań. Wizyty w Kościele były na absolutnym minimum - wiecie, bez radykalizacji typu modlitwy przed posiłkiem, czuwanie przy każdej kościelnej uroczystości, czytanie Pisma itd. Chodziliśmy do Kościała +/- co niedzielę, by spotkać znajomych i staraliśmy się zdążyć z powrotem na Disco Polo Live :) Uczestniczyłam w społeczności anon3213561856olickiej jako tzw. bielanka, bo koleżanki szły i fajnie czułam się sypiąc kwiatki na procesji. Ah, i co tydzień była dyskoteka z ministrantami. Zwykłe dziecięce pobudki bez chwili zastanowienia się na sensem i istotą tego, do czego się modlę głosząc wyuczone regułki. Pierwsze zastanowienie przyszło w okresie bierzmowania, bo ksiądz zmusił nas do częstych spotkań i zaczęłam słuchać tego, co na nich mówił. Pojawiła się wątpliwość. W czasach studenckich spotkałam wiele osób o różnych opiniach i postawach wobec wiary (ateistów, anon3213561856olików wierzących niepraktykujących czyli ""tata wierzył, dziadek wierzył to i ja wierzę"", a nawet przedstawicieli innej wiary). Próbowałam sprawdzić u źródła i przeczytać Pismo Święte - po lekturze Starego Testamentu już byłam po drugiej stronie barykady. Religia jest kwestią wiary, a nie czuję się dobrze wierząc w Boga jakiego serwuje nam anon3213561856olicyzm. Dla mnie nie istnieje, choć nadal z zaciekawieniem czytam historię o cudownym dotknięciu palcem Boga. Zazwyczaj nie przekonują mnie i dalej tkwię w swojej niewierze. 
Ale nie o tym :) Tak, również zauważyłam, że ludzie niewierzący spychani są na margines - śmiem twierdzić, że są traktowani podobnie jak zagorzali anon3213561856olicy. Większość Polaków lubi być po środku, nikomu nie wadzić - wybierać co chcą kultywować (choinka? Pierwsza Komunia? Ślub Kościelny), a co nie wpisuje się w ich wizerunek nowoczesności. Otaczam się inteligentnymi i światowymi ludźmi, a dyskusja o mojej niewierze zawsze jest przejawem ich niezrozumienia i wielkiego szoku, że przejawiam brak wiary. Ale co mi szkodzi, a może Bóg jest? Większość z nich nie zna nawet podstaw celebrowania np. Wielkiej Nocy. Nie wyróżniać się i  nie rozmawiać o tym co naprawdę wyznaję i dlaczego lub w co nie wierzę i dlaczego - najłatwiej :) Wszak o religii się nie rozmawia, bo psuje atmosferę na imprezie :)"
5,63021,2019-11-05T10:14:14.880Z,10770,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,59248,anon1274458134,anon722293676,"@anon2971899728 Wiele osób wyraża niezadowolenie z powodu płytkiej, niepogłębionej, nieświadomej swoich źródeł religijności. Często dodając jeszcze ""naszej, polskiej"", tak jakby zjawisko to było typowe dla naszego tylko kraju. Choć zasadniczo zgadzam się, że dobrze by było gdyby wierzący mieli choćby jakie takie pojęcie o podstawach swojego wyznania, wcale nie zamierzam lamentować nad powszechną nieznajomością teologii chrześcijańskiej w naszym społeczeństwie. Wszyscy żyjemy w pewnej rzeczywistości prawnej, podejmujemy nawet pewne czynności prawne nie będąc przecież prawnikami. 

Bardzo spodobało mi się w Twoim tekście,to jak pisałaś o uczestnictwie w młodości w rożnych wydarzeniach religijnych i okołokościelnych, gdzie tak naprawdę bardziej niż sam religijny sens liczyło się spotkanie znajomych, a pogłębiona refleksja przyszła z czasem. Właśnie to jest dla mnie urzekające w polskim anon3213561856olicyzmie - że to świetny mechanizm budowania wspólnoty (kiedyś zdecydowanie silniejszy niż obecnie). 

Podobnie jak Ty anon1235093333łem silne chwile zwątpienia po lekturze Starego Testamentu - chyba nie ma osoby, która nie dostrzegłaby dysonansu w obrazie starotestamentowego i nowotestamentowego Boga. Przy czym odnoszę wrażenie, że takie traktowanie sprawy jest zbyt uproszczone i wyanon1547754019 odczytywania tych tekstów, szczególnie właśnie Starego Testamentu w kontekście rzeczywistości kulturowo -historycznej starożytności. Ewangelie wydaja się być zdecydowanie bardziej uniwersalne.

Jeszcze co do wyrażania zdziwienia z powodu Twojej ""niewiary"". Spotkałem się ze stwierdzeniem, że religie zostały niejako ""wymyślone"" przez spryciarzy chcących podporządkować sobie swoich współplemieńców. Wydaje mi się jednak, że człowiek nawet w stanie pierwotnym będzie dążył do jakiejś formy religijności - że człowiek ma zakodowane dążenie do sacrum - stąd może zdziwienie z powodu deklarowanego ateizmu. Zresztą (nie traktuj tego proszę jako zarzut) ateiści również potrafią deifikować pewne rzeczy: ludzki umysł, naukę, partię, naród, idee takie jak komunizm czy nazim itd, itp. 

Jest jeszcze mnóstwo kwestii które chciałbym poruszyć w tym wątku, takich jak np. polemika ze stwierdzeniem, że ""wszystkie religie są tak samo złe"", ponieważ ""w imię Boga przelano najwięcej krwi"", ""gdyby nie było chrześcijaństwa to nie doszłoby do Holokaustu"" itp. Ale to być może innym razem."
6,63362,2019-11-07T17:42:40.077Z,10770,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,59248,anon2642761710,anon722293676,"Ja osobiście mam zgoła odwrotne wrażenie. Nie jestem osobą wierzącą, w mojej rodzinie w większości funkcjonuje ''anon3213561856olicyzm z rozsądku"". Za dziecka byłam jednak osobą głęboko oddaną religii anon3213561856olickiej. Obecnie panuje mam wrażenie trend ujednolicania poglądów politycznych i religijnych. Osoby wierzące utożsaanon1235093333 się zacofaniem, oglądaniem konkretnego kanału telewizyjnego, popieraniem takiej, a nie innej partii, olewaniem problemu kościelnej pedofilii. Dla kontrastu z drugiej strony są osoby niewierzące, obśmiewające tych wierzących, ""kościółkowych"", w barwach tęczy i tolerancji wszelakiej. 
Mam wrażenie, że tego czego brakuje to miejsca dla wszystkich i aby mogło tak się stać to obie strony muszą zacząć się szanować. Brakuje mi także wzorców moralnych które nie odwoływałyby się właśnie do schematów religijnych, boga jako pojęcia niezwiązanego z konkretną wiarą, akceptacji, że to co nienaukowe ma prawo mieć rację bytu i być może nasza ludzka percepcja nie jest w stanie pewnych aspektów zweryfikować i objąć umysłem. 
Jeśli przyjrzymy się religii nie pod kątem wyznań, ale ich pierwotnych źródeł to sprowadzają się one wszystkie do podobnych schematów, alegorii i symboli- funkcjonowania człowieka w świecie.

Myślę, że zaanon1235093333st oceniać innych, wytykać palcem kto się do czego stosuje i jak praktykuje warto samemu wprowadzać inne jakości i nimi żyć. Nie wystarczy odciągnąć ludzi od kościoła i religii, aby zaczęli żyć dobrze (moralnie, etycznie). Wierzę, że lepiej być dla innych inspiracją niż przeciwnikiem w dyskusji.
Przyznam szczerze, że trochę zaskakuje mnie niechęć z jaką się spotykacie. Poznaje dużo różnych ludzi, podróżuję i mój brak wiary bywa dla niektórych zaskoczeniem, nie odczuwam jednak z tego powodu niechęci. Może ta niechęć jest odbiciem Waszego stosunku do religii?
I po tej i po tej stronie niemało jest fanatyków, tych których poglądy są ""lepsze"".
A może żadne nie są lepsze? Może obie strony zaanon1235093333st dyskutować o swoich wzajemnych poglądach dałyby sobie po prostu żyć?"
7,82178,2020-08-21T18:15:47.746Z,10770,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,59248,anon1650793189,anon722293676,"Cześć, @anon1274458134 @anon2642761710 @anon2971899728 @anon722293676
Jestem bardzo poruszony ostatnimi wydarzeniami w naszym kraju. 
Czy ja mam tylko wrażenie, czy nam się mocno ordoiurisowo zrobiło i coraz więcej się słyszy o cywilizacyjnej wojnie na śmierć i życie przeciwko marksizmowi kulturowemu? 
Czy naprawdę nasza ojczyzna jest w tak wielkim niebezpieczeństwie ideologicznym?"
1,58682,2019-09-02T14:27:43.175Z,10660,0,22,21,28,0,0,174.4,58682,anon750699873,anon750699873,"Zastanawiałam się ostatnio nad tym dlaczego wracam na tę platformę. Z jednej strony dzieje się tak dlatego, że po prostu lubię czytać opowieści innych ludzi, ciekawią mnie ich narracje i sposoby widzenia. Z drugiej strony bywam też analityczna, więc próbuję zrozumieć jak to się dzieje, że daliśmy się w Polsce aż tak podzielić, oddzielić od siebie. I czy możliwe jeszcze jest - tak jak planujecie to w edgeryders robić - (po)łączenie naszych perspektyw? Czy możliwe jest jeszcze dogadanie się między sobą na podstawie tak ogólnych idei jak ""godność każdej osoby"", ""prawa człowieka"", ""wartości Unii Europejskiej"".. na ile wszystkie te wielkie słowa (razem z  miłosierdziem, empatią, współczuciem) stały się pustymi znakami? Na ile w ogóle są jeszcze jakiekolwiek wartości,które nie służą nam do grodzenia się po przeciwstawnych stronach barykady?
Mam wrażenie, że okopujemy się w narzuconych z góry anon3213561856egoriach, albo sami je przyjmujemy jako łatki. Jesteś po prawej albo po lewej, godny/a albo niegodny/a posiadania równych praw, po stronie świętości albo spełniania swych grzesznych potrzeb. Czemu musimy ciągle się nawzajem oceniać i walczyć o przestrzeń do życia? O prawo do wypowiedzi? Na ile ta walka przeciwstawnych idei jest częścią normalnego procesu dyskutowania, a na ile jest czymś co nas wykańcza? Wreszcie - gdzie leży granica przyzwoitej rozmowy i dlaczego ja mam za wszelką cenę szukać zrozumienia z kimś, kto nie chce mojego istnienia we własnym kraju i życzy mi, żebym wyp... gdzie indziej?
Tak się składa, że jakbym się nie obracała i tak wychodzi, że jestem po tej nieodpowiedniej stronie, stronie ""moralnego zła i występku"". Co roku organizuję Żywą Bibliotekę - to taka akcja, gdzie osoby należące do różnych mniejszości mogą wypowiedzieć własną perspektywę, porozmawiać o swoim życiu. Śmieję się czasem, że sama mogę wybierać kogo tym razem reprezentować. Osoba niehetero, ateistka, wegetarianka, działająca na rzecz kobiet, po kilku epizodach depresyjnych lub jak kto woli: ""ideologia LGBT"", ""grzeszniczka"", ""glonojad"", ""feminazistka"", ""wariatka"". A jakie Wy macie tożsamości, jakie łatki które nie zawsze jest przyjemnie nosić? Na ile te określenia utrudniają Wam normalne funkcjonowanie na co dzień?

Mam wrażenie, że w wyniku polityki partii rządzącej w Polsce jest obecna głównie jedna perspektywa. Ta odnośnie wstawania z kolan i o ile jesteś jej częścią to (chyba) żyje Ci się przyjemnie. Oczywiście, gdzieś w tle dotyka wizja kryzysu finansowego i zanon1235093333n klimatycznych a także nieustannego czajenia się na nasz kraj wrogów ideologicznych...ale to są kwestie wtórne. Najważniejsze jest dobre samopoczucie i świadomość systematycznego podążania w dobrym kierunku. Nie mam złudzeń, że ta ""dobra zanon1235093333na"" szybko się skończy. Mimo zastrzeżeń instytucji i organizacji, które dla mnie są autorytetami; krzyczenia o podważaniu podstaw demokracji; protestów, których nigdy w swoim dorosłym życiu nie widziałam w takim natężeniu - partia rządząca nadal ma poparcie większości. Panuje przekonanie, że w Polsce żyje się coraz lepiej zaś ten, kto dostaje po głowie za to kim jest - najwyraźniej sam/a sobie zasłużył/a. I naprawdę martwi mnie, co będzie po kolejnych wyborach, parlamentarnych i prezydenckich...gdzie wtedy będzie miejsce dla mnie? Na razie jestem w swoim środowisku lokalnym eduanon3213561856orką, która sobie siedzi w swojej niszy tematycznej. Obecną, ale nie aż tak głośną żeby komuś przeszkadzała. Mój głos nie jest aż tak słyszalny, żeby robił jakąś różnicę. Pracuję w niewielkim gronie ludzi; przyjaźnię się i żyję wewnątrz swojej ""bańki"" ludzi akceptujących różnorodność, wspierających mnie w działaniach. A co jeśli wkrótce zostanę namierzona jako wróg? Co jeśli moje działania staną się ""niewygodne""? Co jeśli zaraz po tym jak będę zauważona, ktoś postanowi mnie uciszyć?
Chciałabym, żeby zaanon1235093333st perspektywy ""Ty albo ja"" mogło by być jakiekolwiek ""my"". My, kto? My, naród? Śmieszne, naiwne żądania..."
2,58744,2019-09-03T20:11:33.375Z,10660,0,18,17,2,0,0,13.6,58682,anon2693311786,anon750699873,"Czy jest cokolwiek, co nas jeszcze łączy? Jest i to bardzo wiele, tak wiele, że aż strach. Więcej nas łączy niż dzieli, a chowamy się za tymi kilkoma rzeczami, które nas dzielą. 
 Jak widzisz nie jest łatwo zachęcić ludzi do dyskusji na tematy dla Ciebie i dla mnie tak ważne. Dlatego tak ważne są te osoby, którym zależy. Dlatego tak ważna jesteś Ty. Wydaje mi się, że tego nie można żądać. Myślę, że wszystko ma swój bieg, swoją dynamikę i swój czas. Ta i wiele innych inicjatyw bierze się nie z przypadku, ale z potrzeby. A gdy jest potrzeba zanon1235093333ny, to zanon1235093333na jest kwiestią czasu. Życzę nam, aby przyszła bez zbyt dużych ofiar... Fajnie, że z nami jesteś"
3,58759,2019-09-04T09:48:26.248Z,10660,1,15,14,1,0,0,13.0,58682,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"@anon750699873: Mam dla ciebie wiele współczucia. Wygląda na to, że postępujesz właściwie. Czy możesz zrobić więcej, aby dokonać zanon1235093333ny, a także uchronić się przed niepewną przyszłością? Nie wiem, może nikt nie wie. Historycznie ludzkość źle radziła sobie z przewidywaniem przyszłości.

Chciałbym, abyście mogli przeczytać [serbsko-chorwackie forum](https://edgeryders.eu/t/kako-ce-izgledati-moja-starost-u-srbiji/10623/) dyskusyjne - ludzie mówią o kraju dotkniętym korupcją, a niektórzy twierdzą, że sposobem walki z walką jest seryjna przedsiębiorczość (Engl: serial entrepreneurship). Co dla mnie oznacza: inwestuj w innowacje, jeśli możesz sobie na to pozwolić. Ale mówią o tym ludzie, którzy opuścili kraj i mają firmy za granicą (freelancerzy), ale pracują również w kraju.

Być może dla Ciebie projekty z boku mogą być sposobem na próbę? Czy widzisz wpływ Żywej Biblioteki z roku na rok?"
4,58760,2019-09-04T09:50:21.584Z,10660,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,58682,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"Mogę powiedzieć ogólnie o Edgeryderach: łączy nas skłonność do robienia rzeczy. Wystarczy, że ktoś powie „Hej, chcę zrobić x!” i może więcej nastąpi. Bez względu na kraj, o którym mówimy. Widziałem to wiele razy!"
5,58773,2019-09-04T13:29:03.071Z,10660,1,14,13,1,0,0,27.8,58759,anon750699873,anon2446385507,"Wiesz, jestem świeżo po obejrzeniu serialu ""Years&Years"" i dużo myślę o tym na co mamy wpływ jako obywatele a na co go wcale nie mamy. Film polecam, pokazuje że w wielu momentach historii jesteśmy raczej obserwatorami niż sprawcami Wielkich Zanon1235093333n a polityka tylko skutecznie nas rozgrywa...z drugiej strony - czy ja bym chciała mieć moc zarządzania wielkimi masami ludzi? Skąd anon1235093333łabym wiedzieć czy coś co dla mnie jest dobre dla kogoś innego nie stanie się początkiem ucisku i niewoli? Ja szukam wciąż drogi porozumienia i zrozumienia, że jesteśmy różnorodni a nasze - często sprzeczne!- potrzeby mogą być realizowane jak nauczymy się funkcjonować w pluralizmie...ostatnie lata w Polsce sprawiają jednak, że sporo myślę o tym jak to podzielone społeczeństwo ma sobie teraz radzić i dokąd nas niesie ta nasza lokalna polityka.

Żywa Biblioteka poanon1547754019 niektórym otworzyć oczy, że wokół nich żyją ludzie z różnych mniejszości i grup wykluczonych. Czy to cokolwiek zmienia? Nie wiem. Widzę, że takie spotkania po prostu pozwalają ludziom ze sobą porozmawiać. A to zawsze coś."
6,58963,2019-09-09T12:48:11.139Z,10660,0,16,15,1,0,0,8.2,58773,anon3593942245,anon750699873,"Sama kiedyś uczestniczyłam w organizacji kilku Żywych Bibliotek, kiedy mieszkałam na Sycylii - były tam różne mniejszości, zaskakujące ilości migrantów z Bangladeszu, Sudanu, Ghany, do tego spora scena queer, i ogólnie etniczna i kulturowa mieszanka, którą taka wyspa na granicy światów jest. I wierzę w ten format - zawsze problemem jest stworzenie okoliczności do spotkania poza swoja bańką. Jak już do tych spotkań dojdzie, wszystko może być inaczej. 

Tutaj jest postawione pytanie nt tego, po co nam różnorodność społeczna:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/roznorodnosc-spoleczna/10685/3

Ty zadajesz kolejne - jak sobie z nią radzić. Ja się uczę pluralizmu na codzień, nie jest to łatwe zadanie - wyjście z konserwatywnej, religijnej, prowincjonalnej polskiej skóry zajmie mi pewnie dłużej, niż mam czasu, ale trzeba próbować. W odniesieniu do tego projektu prowadzę czasami dyskusje z ludźmi na fb, którzy myslą dogmatycznie i bardzo jednostronnie. Ale nawet cierpliwe, miłe komentarze wydają się nie mieć żadnego skutku. Jestem bardzo zainteresowana tym tematem.

Apropo!

Jest teraz taki fundusz i myśle o tym, żeby ze współpracy z jakąś organizacją w Polsce i członkami tej dyskusji spróbować o niego aplikowac i popróbować kilku różnych formatów. Czy byłabyś zainteresowana?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/funding-programme-for-2020-of-the-german-federal-foreign-office/10684?mobile_view=1"
7,60160,2019-09-30T13:42:39.731Z,10660,1,15,14,15,0,0,83.0,58682,anon1274458134,anon750699873,"@anon750699873
Cześć! w powszechnym odczuciu obecna władza wspiera ludzi, którzy atakują środowiska takie jak LGBT , czy uogólniając wszelkiej maści aktywistów lewicowych. Jako osoba o zdecydowanie prawicowych poglądach (ale bez bogoojczyźnianego zadęcia, ONR i MW to nie mój klimat, nie jestem zaangażowany w jakikolwiek projekt społeczny) ani tego nie odczuwam ani nie widzę. 

Chciałbym zatem spytać, czy widzisz różnicę pomiędzy nastawieniem społeczeństwa, instytucji i firm w podejściu do Ciebie jako człowieka i do Twoich projektów: przed i po objęciu władzy przez PiS?

A co do przyszywania łatek. Kilkukrotnie, choć raczej w żartobliwy sposób zostałem nazwany pisiorem ;) widziałem też kilkukrotnie niedowierzanie i niemal obrzydzenie kiedy wypowiedziałem się pozytywnie o ""prawej stronie"". Sam staram się być po prostu w zgodzie z własnym sumieniem i rozsądkiem. I choć poglądy mam mocno ""prawackie"" i ""konserwatywne"" to tak samo jak ojkofobia ""lewej strony"", czy Parada Równości drażni mnie osoba, która każe ""wyp...ać pe****m""."
8,60593,2019-10-03T16:12:21.182Z,10660,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,60160,anon413923905,anon1274458134,"Ja widzę dużą różnicę między pisiorem a prawakiem, konserwatystą. Nie mogę zaakceptować postępującego demontażu demokracji , ktory obecnie się toczy. Dla mnie być konserwatystą to stać po prawej stronie zaś byc pisiorem to akceptować czy nawet przyjmować z radością pomysł, że każdy, kto nie jest z nami jest przeciw nam i że dążenie do wprowadzenia ustroju skrojonego pod wlasne poglądy może się odbywać z pogwałceniem wolności jednostek. Trochę jak z komunizmem - że rewolucja wyanon1547754019 ofiar 😦"
9,82177,2020-08-21T18:10:16.608Z,10660,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,60593,anon1650793189,anon413923905,"@anon1274458134 @anon413923905 @anon750699873 @anon2693311786
Trochę tu się zrobiło cicho. 
Widzieliście w ogóle co się dzieje w kontekście LGBT w naszym kraju ostatnio?
Ciekawi mnie, co sądzicie o tych protestach, furgonetkach, projektach pani Godek, aresztowaniu Margot, ministrze Ziobro dającemu z państwowej kasy pieniądze gminom wolnym od LGBT. Porusza was to jakoś?"
1,75999,2020-05-07T15:14:43.960Z,13448,3,24,23,89,0,0,579.8,75999,anon699022595,anon699022595,"I’m anon699022595 and I’m turning 32 on the 8th of May. I’m from the Netherlands and I was born in Doetinchem, a small town close to the border with Germany. I moved to Amsterdam for my studies, I lived there until one and a half years ago, but never really fell in love with it. Then I moved to Brussels - attracted by some weird things I knew about it. The two languages, the different municipalities, the presence of the EU, etc. It was a strange choice, I didn’t know Brussels at all, but I think it was a good choice as Brussels continues to inspire me. My areas of expertise and interest are urban/emotional/feminist geography, the just city and feminism and emancipation in general.

# My professional life before Corona

In anon4110936133uary I quit my job, so I was already without a job before Corona. I used to work for the city of Amsterdam, as a policy advisor for a just city, women’s emancipation, and fairness issues in the city. I used to go to Amsterdam every few weeks, but mostly I worked remote, from cafes. I would see a lot of people, I would dress up nicely, had a social feeling. Seeing different environments and people all the time made me happy and I loved the feeling of freedom.

I want to work as a freelancer now, because I like the freedom and being able to work for different projects, focusing more on the content of the work instead of also having to spend energy on team meetings, etc. In anon4110936133uary I wanted to give myself a few months off, and see where my passions took me. I got two assignments as a freelancer, one of which was to design an urban experience for a festival about the political body. Due to the crisis, both assignments were delayed. They wouldn’t have paid rent anyway. I live off my savings now. In the future, for more paid work I would rather work on writing EU applications as a more lucrative job.

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*Postcard: Every morning I take a picture of the tree in the middle of the square I see from my window.* 

# Equity and belonging in the city

I created [Urbanistas Brussels](https://www.facebook.com/groups/408097989769670/), a network for women city makers in Brussels: geographers, architects, planners, and just women interested in the city, wanting to connect and share and to make the city a better place.

Another personal project is Urban Boudoir, with which I focus on emotions and personal experiences in the city. Something that inspired me to continue working on this topic was an amazing workshop I participated in last October, a series of **embodied night walks.** We would walk with 10-15 women. We would choose where we’d go in the city. Every time someone else would choose and it stood out to me that some people chose neighborhoods where a lot of migrants were living, as these were seen as ‘unsafe’ neighborhoods. There was sometimes this idea that we needed to ‘reclaim the city’. I don’t feel comfortable with that as I haven’t lived in Brussels for a long time, so it wouldn’t make sense for me to ‘claim’ or to ‘reclaim’ the city. And we visited areas that me and some of the other women had never been to before, so how can we say that we want to ‘claim’ or even ‘reclaim’ these areas? Actually, I don’t believe in ownership over the city in general. I believe more in growing a ‘sense of belonging’.

Sometimes we stigmatise one whole area and the people living there when there are in fact just 1 or 2 more unsafe streets. In the process, we all became more aware of our position, how even personal experiences can make you project your fear onto the public space. It was humbling. We read a paragraph from Sara Ahmed’s book [The Cultural Politics of Emotions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cultural_Politics_of_Emotion). She wrote about how the bodies that are least in danger fear the most. Fear is sometimes a ‘reasonable response’ to vulnerability, but anxiety doesn’t always correspond to actual danger. She writes that when we feel exposed to possible danger or discomfort our bodies shrink and the world starts pressing against it. It sounds a bit spiritual but it’s true. When we fear we literally start taking up less space and we won’t slow down or look around anymore. In this way we don’t establish a relationship with the space and it will then never evolve into a place for us. From then on I ask myself: *What am I feeling exactly? Where does my fear come from? Where do I feel it in my body? Where am I projecting it?*

**The just city is a city that centers around equity, diversity and democracy. Equity is the most important aspect for me - it is different from equality in that it means that people win the same and lose the same when public policies are rolled out or when there are interventions.** During the lockdown you see this gap being felt - people are chased by the police and lose their life, yet others like me gain so much freedom from the lockdown. The same situation impacts people very differently. Another way in which this plays out is that when neighborhoods are upgraded, made more green or more walkable for example, it’s a good thing, but what happens then is that more people want to be there, nice coffee places and businesses appear, rents go up, and people who used to live there get pushed out. What we also see is that generally white women feel safer in predominantly white areas. In this way, the freedom, and therefore the emancipation of one group goes against that of the other. Darnell L. Moore of [The Feminist Wire](https://thefeministwire.com/) writes about this in [The Just City Essays](https://www.thenatureofcities.com/the-just-city-essays/). He writes that whiteness has become a signifier for safety, for wealth, for business opportunities, for good. Increased whiteness in a neighborhood brings increased resources and more police presence. This police presence does not guarantee safety in the same way for black people as it does for white people, as we can also see in Brussels. For making the city more just we therefore need a more intersectional approach; different groups and different interests need to be kept in mind at the same time by the same people.

# Thinking about life after Corona and what could be different in Brussels

What really intrigues me about the corona measures are the changes that we will feel on the personal level and how these will influence the dynamics in public space. I think our sense of personal space is going to change, for example. Right now, if I walk the streets and my thoughts wander, I forget to keep 1.5 meters of distance between me and another being, because the prescribed 1.5 meters is not ingrained in my body yet. It might be that in a while it will be, and I start feeling iffy if a person moves within that 1.5 meter radius. This development has consequences for public space as well. **A bigger personal space requires wider sidewalks, a different design for benches and wider door frames, for example. There’s also this idea of creating one way streets and sidewalks. This will influence the interaction people have with each other in the streets. It means that you won’t cross paths with as many people anymore. I foresee lost shared smiles and lost flirts!** Something else I see is that more people start intentionally using public space. I hope this is a sustainable change. I’ve had a lot of conversations with women about how they engage with public space, and what really stood out to me is that women oftentimes only use public space to get from A to B, especially at night. There’s so much to enjoy outside in the city and I hope that in the future we will all feel more comfortable lanon3589994963ring outside, without a reason besides enjoying ourselves.

# On personal rhythm during the lockdown

Every few months or years I’m asking myself: why am I doing what I’m doing? Am I in the right place? Does the motivation come from the right place? These questions came to me again during this period, and luckily this time I had more time to *feel* what the answers were, rather than motivating everything with rationale. **I’ve noticed that I normally feel so much pressure to show myself, to establish myself, and that I experience so much FOMO** - that faded away for the most part during the Corona crisis. When I hear about people starting new projects, like in the [edgeryders] community, I do think about whether I should too, and I feel this pressure... before I could not feel the difference between internal and external motivation. So maybe this is a beginning to get more in touch with myself.

I’ve been reading a lot of books - one in particular about attachment styles, and fear of commitment and abandonment. It’s a Dutch book, but a translation is in the making. It’s called [Liefdesbang](https://www.hannahcuppen.nl/en/books/), or *Love Phobia*, and it’s by Hannah Cuppen. She writes that we sometimes feel that we need to earn the right to exist. We want other people and the outside world to reassure us that we matter, that we’re worthy. I became aware of that tendency in me now. It’s a sign of growth, maybe I was doing those projects before to be seen, rather than have them come from inside. It’s a relief to realise it, but also scary, because now I don’t know what to do. The question I now have: *If I feel worthy as a person regardless, what would I still do?*

Another book I am reading is [Intimiteit](https://www.standaardboekhandel.be/p/intimiteit-9789403139104?gclid=CjwKCAjw4871BRAjEiwAbxXi20XD_PPFdi_vHXvkbRBOHVHOopf90r70t9n7SMJ2WHDXtPZID8PzzhoCAncQAvD_BwE), or *Intimacy*, by Belgian psychiatrist Paul Verhaeghe. Coincidentally, or actually I don’t think it’s a coincidence, he also writes about the role of other people in our lives, but he mostly refers to the Other as an abstract being, an always present mechanism that influences how we feel about ourselves. The intimacy that he writes about has to do with feeling intimacy within ourselves. A really important book in these isolated times.

**I really miss purpose.** At the beginning I didn’t really feel that way, but now I miss having a reason to get up. It sounds worse than it is, because I am not depressed, but I don’t even feel like going outside to take a walk at this point, while I normally love walking in the city. I go running sometimes, but I don’t leave the house much.

I don’t have a lot of structure i.e. I don’t get up at the same time every day. But there are rituals that I really like: Every morning I take a picture of the tree in the middle of the square I see from my window. At 8 in the evening we clap for care workers, and musicians and actors around play songs every night. These are the start and ending of the day, and this gives me structure.

I started to make my own coffee, including cappuccino. I also buy flowers to give my house a little more color, and things like that. That helps to feel more comfortable in my home and it really works. I feel really happy with my place right now.

**I feel more mindful: even if I don’t have big events daily, the days are full of little experiences and I am more aware of all my senses.** I think it’s a sort of micro awareness, and I want to keep having it. I now feel that I don’t have to go very far or travel far places to have rich experiences.

# Curious from Edgeryders:

I would like to know more about European grant writing possibilities, so if anyone knows of projects coming up or needs help they can let me know. Also, I am always interested in sharing thoughts on the city and exploring ideas together. People can of course always contact me if they have questions about equity and emancipation in the city."
2,76035,2020-05-08T06:57:00.398Z,13448,3,23,22,2,1,0,29.6,75999,anon2446385507,anon699022595,"Happy birthday @anon699022595, perfect time for your introduction to Edgeryders :-)


[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
if I walk the streets and my thoughts wander, I forget to keep 1.5 meters of distance between me and another being, because the prescribed 1.5 meters is not ingrained in my body yet. It might be that in a while it will be, and I start feeling iffy if a person moves within that 1.5 meter radius.
[/quote]

During lockdown, myself and other friends have more than once been on a borderline conflict when we were trying to get by or do groceries and someone who was not conscious of the rule was standing too close, or 'breathing down your neck'. I had a distinct feeling of being attacked, which is not really rational is it?
I'm even more sensible to private space because of family history in a communist country where everything was about standing in line. Queues where the place to get your basic needs covered, but also to socialize, gossip, etc. To this day, our cultural idea of private space is still being reclaimed as we've come to terms that not everything is scarcity anymore. It speaks to your observation too:

[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
how even personal experiences can make you project your fear onto the public space.
[/quote]
  
After living 3 years in Brussels, I still think there is so much to see yet, especially in the sense of spending time in public places. I remember when I first discovered Place de Londres - the buzziness of the place made it an instant favourite, or the square in front of the bar L'Athénée where often you could just get drinks and sit around the actual tables because there's no spot left, or even the small hangout space in front of Cinematek when during the summer you can stop for a glass of wine standing, which really encourages interaction with strangers. But guess what: they're all pretty central Brussels [hm]. 

**Is there a favourite public place outside the Brussels centre you would recommend?**
 Also paging @anon"
3,76219,2020-05-11T09:55:55.556Z,13448,2,19,18,1,2,0,33.8,76035,anon1921414910,anon2446385507,"Hi anon699022595, thank you so much for sharing this glimpse into your life from Brussels (and Happy Birthday! :tada:)!

[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
Another way in which this plays out is that when neighborhoods are upgraded, made more green or more walkable for example
[/quote]

There are lots of parallels here in Barcelona with the ""Superillas"" - The idea is to give less space to cars and make these 3x3 ""blocks"" more pedestrian and bike-friendly. I personally think it’s a wonderful, pioneering project of sustainable urban development. However, there are a number of residents in these block that think forces of gentrification will push them out of the area. I absolutely agree that different stakeholders need to be kept in mind - in fact, I’d be curious to see how different levels of inclusion in the process would create a feeling ownership and engagement. I remember that there’s a few urban garden / transition projects in Brussels, do you know whether or how are they engage different groups?

[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
I foresee lost shared smiles and lost flirts!
[/quote]

Yes, I used to have a lot of serendipitous interactions with people, and now it seems like that this is over. Similar to how we often text before we call, I think we'll be doing much more pre-/meta-negotiations before actually engaging with others.

[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
I would like to know more about European grant writing possibilities, so if anyone knows of projects coming up or needs help they can let me know.
[/quote]

Are you mostly looking for paid positions as a grant writer, or would you also be interested in helping groups who align with your interests and charge a fee if the proposal is successful? As I see a lot of movement these days, I think there's a lot of organizations who could be interested in the latter.

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:13448""]
**Is there a favourite public place outside the Brussels centre you would recommend?**
[/quote]

Probably no secret to people living in Brussels and I'm not sure if it it's outside of what is considered the center, but my favorite memories are from evenings with friends and strangers at the bustling Parvis de Saint-Gilles."
4,76368,2020-05-12T09:04:06.502Z,13448,1,16,15,1,0,0,28.2,76219,anon2446385507,anon1921414910,"Yes, Parvis is the place, especially when it's sundrenched during summer afternoons :-)"
5,76371,2020-05-12T09:28:26.671Z,13448,0,16,15,0,0,0,48.2,76368,anon1921414910,anon2446385507,"I remember the first time: It was a long, tiring day that started rushing to the Eurostar in London at an ungodly early hour, followed by a marathon of institutional meetings. The text from my friend said little more than to take the metro to Parvis de Saint-Gilles and ""find her"". As soon as I emerged from underground, the lively atmosphere surrounded me. It was the last hour of sunshine, with food trucks buzzing, kids running, and people sitting everywhere with their wine or beer and snacks, and within 2 minutes I actually did find my friend, at a table that felt like it's in the middle of it all.
After a somewhat sterile first welcome at Gare du Midi and the European Quarter in the morning, this will remain my mental image of arriving in Brussels as a visitor."
6,76385,2020-05-12T12:54:51.613Z,13448,0,16,15,1,0,0,8.2,76035,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Also ping @anon
And welcome to Edgeryders!"
7,76397,2020-05-12T14:22:56.240Z,13448,0,17,16,1,0,0,38.4,75999,anon2386054143,anon699022595,"Hey! Nice to read you in this forum anon699022595, very nice photo. i have lived in bxl for many years but i keep discovering. I recently discovered Parc Roi Baudouin in Jette, ate breve :wink:"
8,76436,2020-05-13T08:30:16.102Z,13448,0,7,6,0,0,0,1.4,76385,anon2979239943,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi --- anon3379710332 has pointed out that this conversaton doesn't involve any of the POPREBEL countries, so should not be categorised as POPREBEL. @anon2867672406 do you agree with this assessment/if so, should we move it? I've already coded it, but I guess it wouldn't be hard to exclude. I didn't realise the project was only considering certain countries, to be honest -- I thought this was Europe-wide."
9,76466,2020-05-13T11:06:23.140Z,13448,0,7,6,0,0,0,31.4,76436,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"No, I disagree with the assessment. POPREBEL includes an English forum with the specific task to bind together the discussion about populism *across Europe*. And even if it did not, it would make sense to have one. Between when we wrote the POPREBEL proposal (early 2018) and when we started, another European country elected a populist government: Italy."
10,76468,2020-05-13T11:16:22.113Z,13448,1,15,14,1,1,0,13.0,75999,anon2867672406,anon699022595,"[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
She wrote about how the bodies that are least in danger fear the most
[/quote]

How interesting! It's a bit like an immune disease. If you grow up in a sterile environment, your immune system ""goes off kilter"" and sets its thresholds too low, attacking your own body.

[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
people are chased by the police and lose their life
[/quote]

This is not obvious to people not from Belgium: a young man in Anderlecht died trying to evade a police action to enforce lockdown measures.  The police chased him on his scooter, and he collided with a second police car that had been called in as backup. [Here is an article in English](https://www.brusselstimes.com/opinion/106285/state-brutality-against-moroccan-youth-in-brussels-and-the-urgency-for-police-accountability/).

[quote=""anon699022595, post:1, topic:13448""]
Increased whiteness in a neighborhood brings increased resources and more police presence.
[/quote]

I am not a city planner... are you sure it is not the other way around? As the money moves in, more white people also move in?"
11,76470,2020-05-13T12:59:28.008Z,13448,0,8,7,0,0,0,1.6,76466,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,Agree
12,79393,2020-06-23T08:44:24.477Z,13448,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,75999,anon781457888,anon699022595,"Natalia hi, sorry to have missed this post - so much going on here. Better late than never I guess...

It's interesting what you say about the disproportionate response to issues in a neighbourhood when it is often just  one or two streets that are problematic. Incidentally this is the basis for the method that was initially proposed for how american community policing should work. It didn't take into account that american policing is rotten at the core and unreformable (imo) but it seems that there was some merit to the approach - will see if I can find the journal where the article was published.

As for grant writing for European projects, you should talk to @anon88457678 @anon3790895934 and @anon2867672406 about this..."
13,79899,2020-07-03T15:03:00.032Z,13448,0,11,10,1,1,0,7.2,76035,anon699022595,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi, thank you for your interesting reflections. Here is my 'better late than never' reply ;) 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:13448""]
I had a distinct feeling of being attacked, which is not really rational is it?
[/quote]

Very interesting to read that your personal space did get smaller very soon! Doesn't sound irrational at all! 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:13448""]
I’m even more sensible to private space because of family history in a communist country where everything was about standing in line. Queues where the place to get your basic needs covered, but also to socialize, gossip, etc. To this day, our cultural idea of private space is still being reclaimed as we’ve come to terms that not everything is scarcity anymore.
[/quote]

Wow, I've never thought about this, but now that you mention it it sounds so logical that the political history of our countries is so ingrained in our bodies. It also speaks to the idea of the personal being political. Would love to have a conversation about this with you sometime if you want to. 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:13448""]
Is there a favourite public place outside the Brussels centre you would recommend?
[/quote]

For me that would be Abbaye de la Cambre, which is an abbey in Ixelles close to where I live. It was the place that made me decide I wanted to move to Brussels :)"
14,79901,2020-07-03T15:22:56.290Z,13448,0,10,9,1,1,0,22.0,76219,anon699022595,anon1921414910,"Hello Hires, thank you for your nice message and your insights! 

[quote=""anon1921414910, post:3, topic:13448""]
in fact, I’d be curious to see how different levels of inclusion in the process would create a feeling ownership and engagement. I remember that there’s a few urban garden / transition projects in Brussels, do you know whether or how are they engage different groups?
[/quote]

I'm not sure how the projects here in Brussels engage different groups, but I guess that projects are most inclusive when inclusion comes naturally and not as an afterthought. Power relations are there right from the very beginning of a project. Pursuing inclusion later on in a project always builds on ideas of 'othering'. 'We', the norm, include 'them'. This will never lead to equal decision-making power and thus to equal participation. 

[quote=""anon1921414910, post:3, topic:13448""]
As I see a lot of movement these days, I think there’s a lot of organizations who could be interested in the latter.
[/quote]

Thanks a lot for this tip, good idea, I'll keep my eyes open!"
15,79902,2020-07-03T15:53:00.040Z,13448,1,9,8,1,1,0,26.8,76468,anon699022595,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:10, topic:13448""]
How interesting! It’s a bit like an immune disease. If you grow up in a sterile environment, your immune system “goes off kilter” and sets its thresholds too low, attacking your own body.
[/quote]

Interesting observation! In this case it's however not an individual response to perceived fear, but a collective and deliberately designed response to perceived fear. The bodies that have least to fear are also the most powerful bodies and the bodies that are deemed most valuable by society as a whole, as has been brought to the world's attention the last couple of months. We are taught to fear certain people, so that society can point fanon3589994963rs and does not have to examine itself. 

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:10, topic:13448""]
I am not a city planner… are you sure it is not the other way around? As the money moves in, more white people also move in?
[/quote]

It goes both ways."
16,79903,2020-07-03T16:18:20.457Z,13448,0,8,7,1,1,0,21.6,79902,anon2867672406,anon699022595,"[quote=""anon699022595, post:15, topic:13448""]
We are taught to fear certain people, so that society can point fanon3589994963rs and does not have to examine itself.
[/quote]

Sure. I was referring back to your urban experience. Anecdotally, white Flemish people who live in Brussels are a lot less scared of ""certain people"" than their cousins who live in West Flanders. They all have the same cultural conditioning, but the urban setting changes things.


This is especially true of Brussels: Italians, for example, have nothing like the level of loathing and mistrust for Rome or anon2971899728n that Belgians seems to have for Brussels. I have no idea why, Brussels seems really great to me."
17,79906,2020-07-03T17:36:56.327Z,13448,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,79393,anon699022595,anon781457888,"Hi Nadia, 

Thank you for your response. I have read up on community policing and I see what you mean. It sounds like the purpose was to have police work in a more grounded/bottom up way, but from what I read the whole concept sounds a bit skewed to me. As if the goal was to prove that the police isn't flawed by giving the police a more comprehensive role, instead of just dealing with the fact that it's flawed and defunding. Am curious about the article you're mentioning! 

And thanks for referring me to other members! :clap:"
18,79915,2020-07-04T08:29:12.263Z,13448,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,79906,anon781457888,anon699022595,"Here are some references I have come across
https://plsonline.eku.edu/sites/plsonline.eku.edu/files/the-history-of-policing-in-us.pdf
https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/50819_ch_1.pdf"
1,74305,2020-04-14T13:21:36.715Z,13206,0,22,21,19,0,0,129.4,74305,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"*These are notes from our community call on Coping with Loss of work. If you were there, feel free to press Edit below and make additions or changes. We focus on the new people in the conversation, so special thanks to @anon4143927072 for joining and sharing today.*


@anon4143927072 is based in Nothingham, joined Edgeryders in 2014 when the unMonastery Matera adventure was on (!)
@anon2649858692mi: facilitates the calls. Sees Edgeryders conversations over the years become more organic and more focused on wellbeing, not just project making.
@anon95046639: in Stockholm, in the country where they're not doing anything right now: 'we just follow the news of what others are doing. Some people stay in, but we also had neighbors downstairs having a party.'
Olivier @anon

@anon4143927072 **worked** **at a** **UK** **University for 20 years, largely in IT and** **now in** **a role supporting teachers to use technologies.**

> Our team had to decide how we were going to respond immediately. Each Faculty came up with a teaching continuity plan, how they would continue, which platforms would be supported. Zoom was not used much. Lots of universities in the UK are Microsoft customers so a decision was made to use Microsoft Teams, as access is restricted only to the campus users so it is more private than Zoom. This concern about using Zoom proved to be a good one, given recent news stories about privacy issues with the platform.

### What worked well/ not so well with the e-learning shift, and working as an educator online?

> One of our senior staff already teaches a Distance Learning course online, and other colleagues had already contributed to MOOCs. Other than that, not many people appeared to be interested in the Edgeryder themes locally. ’

At the start of this crisis teachers had been on strike in the UK nationwide for two weeks before. The crisis refocused everything, because many Higher Education Institutions have made recent financial announcements to lay people off (‘furlough’ them), if their roles were not considered essential at this time. Some disciplines (eg Arts and Humanities) feel more vulnerable in these circumstances. Furloughed staff are able to claim 80% of their wages from the Government but it is unclear how long this might be for or what the future might hold for all staff in the sector.

### Challenges of eLearning and mental health

The main challenge with eLearning is going to be to enable students to continue to complete assessments. Many staff have experienced the mental impact of having to move to new and unfamiliar ways of working. When we asked about how students are doing, @anon4143927072 said:

> I think the mental impact on students is huge and is not always fully appreciated by Higher Education Institutions. In the UK there is a real epidemic of anxiety and mental health issues among youngsters [in general]. Is this similar in other countries?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/mar/17/universities-having-to-adapt-fast-to-the-coronavirus-crisis 


## From around the Edgeryders network

In the past we have had students at UDK in Berlin speaking openly about mental health. But in that case, the connection was between creative focus and mental health, not so much the particularities of this age group.

@anon

https://edgeryders.eu/t/under-pressure-on-the-relationship-between-creativity-and-emotional-mental-health/647
 

<image here> 
 

In a discussion problematising other similar conversations, our ethnographer was analysing the stories and commenting on the co-occurence of issues like mental health, art, and trauma: *I’ve been seeing an expansion of the discussion on mental health— not just focused on refugee issues, but also mental health issues across populations. Youth come up frequently, as do feelings of hopelessness in the face of the current labour market. There has been a repetitive feeling of disconnect between one’s own dreams and desires and the way cultural and social norms, as well as existing labour and $ structures, require one to live and attribute value to activities* [(source)](https://edgeryders.eu/t/new-round-of-coding-what-do-we-see/6081).

## What is your experience with this issue? Is your teaching and learning life disrupted? 
We are listening and will continue to mobilize the network across many countries for honest advice.
We are happy to meet you 'live' as well: next Tuesday for another one of these conversations.
Register here: http://bit.ly/coronawork <3"
2,74306,2020-04-14T13:26:10.698Z,13206,1,18,17,1,0,0,28.6,74305,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Accounts of other learning environments and students can be offered by @anon3353600255 @anon2979239943 @anon1921414910 ? 

You are all teaching - in Prague, London and Barcelona. Would you tell us how it is for your own personal life and how you see your institutions coping?"
4,74333,2020-04-14T20:03:35.901Z,13206,2,17,16,10,0,0,93.4,74306,anon1921414910,anon2446385507,"I am teaching at a private business school in Barcelona, in a course that is very untraditional for the institution - however, they trust the coordinator and the team of instructors, so we have a lot of freedom. I only teach a few days a month, so I'm not deep into what happens at the university itself - there's been a bit of miscommunication around admin things, but nothing too disruptive. I get a fully licensed Zoom, with all features, which is enough for me as a teacher.

Barcelona went into a strict lockdown, closing schools and universities, and the sudden shift has been a challenge of course - especially because I teach communication and public speaking in this class. It's different on Zoom, but then there's also similarities - a good pitch is a good pitch, whatever the ""medium"".

However, I think the biggest impact isn't just moving online, it's that we're doing all of this in a crisis. I have death and grief in my family and close friends' families - and we can't even go to any funerals. We are helping students deal with events that we have never lived through ourselves, and I have been asked a few times now on my opinion on quite personal issues. Normally, I would try not to stick to my area of expertise, but I think these times call for human approaches, so I tried to provide a viewpoint or lens that might clarify the situation and choices they faced.

So tl;dr: Moving online is easy compared to helping others deal with a crisis."
6,74382,2020-04-15T10:55:00.900Z,13206,1,16,15,1,0,0,43.2,74333,anon4143927072,anon1921414910,"Thank you @anon1921414910 - I did read your post, as I didn't think it was too long ;).
Yes, we are all in such a strange situation and I am concerned that we don't lose sight of the potential impact this can have on our students and teachers. Many have found themselves in places and situations in which they never expected to be at this time in their career (eg having to go back home to live with families, shared resources etc). This affects some more than others and we must not assume that carrying on studying and teaching is possible in all circumstances. Most Higher Education institutions in the UK have responded by introducing exceptional regulations for assessment and the subsequent progression and degree classification results which arise from this."
7,74474,2020-04-16T11:09:12.590Z,13206,1,12,11,1,1,0,42.4,74333,anon2979239943,anon1921414910,"[quote=""anon1921414910, post:4, topic:13206""]
Moving online is easy compared to helping others deal with a crisis.
[/quote]

From my experience, this is very true. We have also moved all of our university classes online. What the students are missing more than anything is the social atmosphere of the university -- I hear them saying they miss their cohort (these are Masters students), working on class projects and papers together (even just being in the same space, not even collaborating), taking breaks from study together. So much of learning is in the in-between, when formal lectures aren't happening. That stuff is hard to replicate online. 

And it's interesting that you bring up mental health, @anon2446385507, because I think what we found more than anything in Open Care is that having a strong sense of community massively helps with mental health issues. I just read the book Happy City, and the author finds the same thing --- *ambient* community feeling keeps us happy -- the people we chat to when we go get our morning coffee and all the people we recognise as we go about our daily lives. These points of contact are really important for the students as well -- it's not the formal learning that they're missing the most, it's all the ambient touchpoints that they no longer have. 

Space makes a huge difference -- being at the university brings a sense of scholarly-ness that makes diving into writing easier. These ambient effects are hard to replicate digitally. But people are trying! With things like digital study groups (we call them ""Shut Up and Write"" sessions, where you leave the webcam on and quietly study with others) and sites that create ambient sounds of coffeeshops and libraries."
8,74480,2020-04-16T12:25:14.188Z,13206,2,12,11,2,1,0,52.4,74474,anon2446385507,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:7, topic:13206""]
With things like digital study groups (we call them “Shut Up and Write” sessions, where you leave the webcam on and quietly study with others) and sites that create ambient sounds of coffeeshops and libraries.
[/quote]

This is very interesting! Have you attended one, does it work?
I can only imagine - especially for those living alone - how much of a difference it makes to be connected to anything resembling social life. As students, I remember some of us could only study in the atmosphere you mention - which was to be found in the library: it was just enough quiet and just enough buzzy to make you committed to a certain focus and not procrastinate or feel lost.

cc the tip above might be interesting for @anon"
9,74484,2020-04-16T13:15:51.871Z,13206,0,12,11,2,0,0,27.4,74382,anon1921414910,anon4143927072,"I think it'll be interesting to see what this means for the institutions. How soon do we think universities will open again, and what about those about to graduate high school? And if they do open before there's a vaccine, how will the ""daily routines"" need to change? I think me may see a need for a lot of exceptional regulations, and who knows, it may lead to some rethinking of the university institution?"
10,74495,2020-04-16T16:24:42.480Z,13206,1,13,12,1,1,0,57.6,74480,anon2979239943,anon2446385507,"I have! One of my friends and I do this all the time -- she has a Jitsi feed open at set intervals, and you can just 'drop in' whenever you want to hang out and work together. Quick chat and hello, then down to work. It helps to keep you accountable for a while and get those co-study vibes. 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:8, topic:13206""]
it was just enough quiet and just enough buzzy to make you committed to a certain focus and not procrastinate or feel lost.
[/quote]

Exactly -- this is what is sorely missing. There's also no moving somewhere else for a change of pace, a different kind of inspiration, to find another angle. I have always strongly felt that space shapes the way we can think and feel (it's partially what my dissertation is on) so it's hard to be stuck in the same place. It means we have to find imaginative ways of being elsewhere, changing the scene!"
11,74960,2020-04-24T00:51:53.507Z,13206,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,74495,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,"Hey everyone, here in Prague it seems Universities will be under lockdown until summer, but at least since recently, members of the faculty can meet  in the offices now, in limited numbers. The Czech government decided for quite a strict regime, which funnily enough, has been ruled to be implemented in an illegal manner just today by a court decision (on occasions, the rules were changing multiple times a day): 

https://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/prague-court-cancels-anti-coronavirus-restrictions-on-free-movement-retail-sales

However, changing the scene, as Amelia mentions, is something I sorely miss. I was blessed (in the social dimension of it definitely) with bouncing each week between two workplaces I have at the University, which makes my usual rhythm relatively dynamic. I personally consider the high number of colleagues I meet to be the actual win.

So we just decided this Tuesday to meet up in three people in our study room/lab and make plans for the rest of the semester/quarantine, taking advantage of the relaxed measures. As the room is big enough, we could keep some safe distance, have a coffee and talk in person. And no one seemed eager to be the first to leave, we actually stood by the door for additional 15 mins. 

Generally, we do not know when the Universities will allow students or public back in, but I hope we will keep these weekly mental revival sessions. Nevertheless, it is a privilege to have basically private premises which can serve such a purpose. The other institute I am teaching at holds weekly meetings of 30-60 people online to make up for the lack of verbal contact, but no one has come up with a ""Shut Up and Write"" online sessions yet, though the institute operates a ""silent room"" under normal circumstances. I am just not sure if the simple joy of talking would not override the first principle of the above-mentioned concept:)"
12,74965,2020-04-24T07:58:02.867Z,13206,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,74960,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"[quote=""anon3353600255, post:11, topic:13206""]
we do not know when the Universities will allow students or public back in, but I hope we will keep these weekly mental revival sessions.
[/quote]

**'mental revival sessions',** well said! There is talking, and there is hanging out. And no virtual room will replace the hanging out unless you probably have years of accommodating. But definitely less so if that's *the only place* you work or meet people. I think it's because you cannot meet others in real life that the virtual shows its limitations. 

Friends of mine are reaching out because they are swamped with too many calls and the medium is much more tiring for them than real life. Others are hosting Bdays virtually (@anon

PS In Belgium schools are due to reopen - in some format - on 18th of May.."
13,75100,2020-04-26T17:25:24.920Z,13206,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,74965,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Good point, not that long ago I had a single week in which I reached some 22 hours of work-oriented online meetings. But it seems that people began to realize that such an overuse is undermining the actual substance of interaction which is happening through virtual media and eased up a bit."
14,75592,2020-05-03T11:27:55.527Z,13206,2,8,7,2,0,0,51.6,74480,anon448531967,anon2446385507,"Love that ""shut up and write"" angle. Did you know in the established remote community there are already some sites/apps that help to foster that concentration and encourage virtual work mates (keeping each other to their goals) such as https://www.focusmate.com/"
15,75638,2020-05-04T09:03:31.501Z,13206,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,75592,anon2446385507,anon448531967,"A co-working app! Wow, the tone of that site is very capitalist though..  
'reach a flow state on-demand', as if flow is something you can buy your way into :-)

Have you tried any similar online cowork practices @anon"
16,75644,2020-05-04T09:29:39.888Z,13206,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,75592,anon781457888,anon448531967,reminds me a bit of that focus app @anon
17,75766,2020-05-05T14:46:22.321Z,13206,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,74305,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,Ping @anon3922700746: the lovely acadeanon1235093333 workers above could be directly interested in your upcoming session for the online summit!
18,75769,2020-05-05T15:09:45.819Z,13206,1,8,7,2,0,0,31.6,75766,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"thanks @anon2446385507:) yes, we are definitely interested in challenges of learning in general, critical learning and when adapted to corona times, coping with e-learning! I`m working on a draft call for a session on precarity and dissent in higher education and the challenges of endangered knowledge workers. I think there are many intersecting points. Dissent also means critical thought, undoing the system and learning and there lies the challenges you so well mention in your thread here. Let`s continue the conversation here as well as the session prep page https://edgeryders.eu/t/draft-session-on-refugee-researchers-and-precarity-in-higher-education/13414"
19,76000,2020-05-07T15:19:15.504Z,13206,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,75769,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"Perfect, give me a headsup when the first version of the session is ready and I will reach out to a few edgeryders who could benefit from attending!"
20,76121,2020-05-08T15:57:41.190Z,13206,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,76000,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"could maybe be a good idea have a look at this and see how you might like to contribute to/build on that conversation? https://www.artez.nl/en/webinar-crisis-education-critical-education

I know Nishant who is organising that series so if there is some nice way you can think of to collaborate, Id be happy to get in touch with him about it."
21,76929,2020-05-19T12:19:01.928Z,13206,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,74305,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"thanks @anon781457888:) I have the same link added on our session proposal here: https://edgeryders.eu/t/session-on-endangered-researchers-and-precarity-in-higher-education/13414  . I think we have a lot of intersections with this group, so let`s work together on the challenges!"
22,79752,2020-06-30T08:30:20.510Z,13206,1,3,2,1,0,0,25.6,74305,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hello all, 
Last week I participated in one of the most interesting sessions about Acadeanon1235093333 and the hidden problems that honestly if you are not part of it, you don't ever find out. I think some of you could even have a point to make, so feel free to do it. We talked about things like the impermanence of positions, the danger in France and other countries to follow the liberal model and therefore making less and less space for novel, different academic voices. We also asked ourselves what is there for young people today who wish to join the Acadeanon1235093333? And finally, there were also mentions of sexual harassment being problematic in the academic environment.

This is where we continue the conversation:

# [Who and What is the University of the 21st Century for? Breaking Through Neoliberal Agendas](https://edgeryders.eu/t/who-and-what-is-the-university-of-the-21st-century-for-breaking-through-neoliberal-agendas/13986)"
23,79909,2020-07-03T20:10:07.911Z,13206,0,3,2,1,0,0,20.6,79752,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"thanks for the heads up @anon2446385507:) your support has been really worthwhile all the way along. Folks at this session/thread: Just take a look at the discussions; a lot of the issues like precarities caused by hybrid education, discontents of online education as well as the class differences between students (1st generation university students vs others for instance) and how this reflects to life after school...these all are intersecting points I can think of as I see the content here. Would be glad to walk together to plan out smth. that would be of use for all of us."
1,75688,2020-05-04T14:00:05.015Z,13414,0,29,28,104,0,0,542.8,75688,anon3922700746,anon3922700746," [date=2020-06-22 time=17:00:00 timezone=""Europe/Stockholm""]
Registration: [Fill out this registration form!](https://covid19-summit.netlify.app/#join)
This event is part of the [Edgeryders Online Summit on Resilient Livelihoods](https://edgeryders.eu/t/sneak-peek-covid19-resilient-livelihoods-an-online-summit/13296)
Curated by: Asli Telli, diverse_precarious community list, dissent in higher education group

# Session summary 

This session wants to bring together knowledge workers and policy makers in higher ed, also allying with unions and rights defenders, with their histories of mobility, migration and refuge. We would like to discuss and reflect on the intersection between precarious labour conditions and the neoliberal surge on higher education in the last two decades. The best we can do is to come together and learn from each other in order to arrive at a better analysis of the various challenges faced. We would like to exchange experiences and knowledges over struggles for academic freedoms and labour conditions in different contexts. We would like to take the opportunity to learn, exchange and collaborate with/through the framework of critical learning, decent labor and networks of sharing and caring. All participants are invited to zoom in to position the question of labour in acadeanon1235093333 within broader societal struggles in their own contexts and zoom out to link it up to related struggles in other geographies. As the first step towards concrete action in solidarity, participants are invited to reflect on the following 2 questions: 

1.  What are the structural agencies, practices and grammars involved in the precaritization of knowledge workers in the last two decades? 

2. What are the realities and calculated logics of diversity, of structural inequalities and possibly discrimination?

3. How can we collaborate with intermediary policy makers for boosting up critical learning and better conditions in higher education setting? 

# Who is participating?

This list will be updated continuously with the people who are invited and confirm attendance.

* Dissent in Higher Ed group reps from France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands and the UK
* Learning and teaching groups in edgeryders community...
* NGA-Wiss (Decent Labor in Acadeanon1235093333 Network in Germany) 
* ArteZ initiative on Crisis Ed Critical Ed - see link below for details
* Union reps from Turkey, UK and the US
* Policy makers/agents in the EU, UNESCO...

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# Format and practical information

Depending on interest, this could be a series of online meetings to get prepared. Then a moderated discussion with speakers from diff initiatives/institutions/responsibilities that could address the issue from diverse perspectives. This would rather be an online workshop model that brings together knowledge and experience to form collaborations and multiply impact. 

* **An online meeting.**  You register in advance to reserve your spot, and you will receive a link and password to join (this will be sent the day before the event): [Registrations are open here](https://covid19-summit.netlify.app/).
* **A moderated discussion.** A moderator will give the floor to people who want to contribute something. Some have already volunteered (see list above, updated continuously). If you want to share your point of view, use the call’s chat to let us know, and the moderator will give you the floor. If you have a question to ask the speaker, ask it in the chat (better) or let us know you want to ask a question. Questions are taken before we move on to the next speaker.
* **We commit to doing a proper writeup of the result**  (aka “documentation, or it didn’t happen”). Edgeryders also deploys its team of ethnographers for participant observation and note-taking.
* **Everyone welcome.** Below there is a list of the people who have agreed to participate. If you are coming too, we are happy to put you on it. If you prefer not to be on the list, that’s OK too.
* **Please note we aim to publish the content of the conversation as public knowledge, available to activist and scholars.** However, this will happen through writeups by people in Edgeryders. While we will record the event, participants are welcome to sign up under aliases and keep their video shut off. Also, the writeups will not mention any names.

# Preparation

Ahead of the event, take some time to go through the materials below. We summarize them and link to the full resource:

1. Many organisations and higher education institutions are opening up about the problems of pay, inequality and precarity in the field - these are articles from March/April 2020.

https://acadeanon1235093333.hypotheses.org/lheure-est-greve-et-confinement/dissent-in-european-higher-education

https://www.artez.nl/en/webinar-crisis-education-critical-education?fbclid=IwAR2WJMiRMG6EqfZpUDjPWlDNtdecPG3MDanon4110936133xBPVmgGpK1EWnYeUX63ZIfc

https://www.mittelbau.net"
2,76927,2020-05-19T12:16:11.930Z,13414,0,19,18,1,0,0,23.8,75688,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,dear interested @anon
3,76967,2020-05-19T15:25:43.486Z,13414,0,19,18,2,0,0,28.8,75688,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"The Facebook event is up! Asli, add me on fb please (anon2649858692mi Salantiu) so I can make you a co-host and you can make changes? Also, let me know in private msg if you need me to make modifications to the banner.
https://www.facebook.com/events/865324903949313/

@anon2979239943 @anon3353600255 @anon2495109874 do you know anyone studying this topic who would be interested to join?"
7,77592,2020-05-28T05:27:23.598Z,13414,1,17,16,1,0,0,13.4,75688,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"@anon3922700746 have a look at this new organisation mentioned by @anon3290530303: http://academicmentalhealth.com/
I propose we invite them to join, some of the members might have a focused interest on mental health and precarity,"
8,77593,2020-05-28T06:14:24.635Z,13414,0,17,16,1,0,0,8.4,77592,anon3290530303,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon3922700746 if there is interest in having someone from the Global Consortium for Academic Mental Health join this session I can post directly in the slack group, and connect you with whoever might be interested & available! 

Excited to see such an important topic getting covered!"
9,77594,2020-05-28T06:17:47.259Z,13414,1,16,15,2,0,0,48.2,75688,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"Yes, let’s join forces dear @anon3290530303. Mental health is a topic of priority, not well-tackled in our community. Sharing on slack is a good idea and how about yourself? Would you be available to join as well? Thanks @anon2446385507 for connecting:)"
10,77596,2020-05-28T06:42:03.599Z,13414,1,16,15,2,0,0,63.2,77594,anon3290530303,anon3922700746,@anon3922700746 I'd be happy to join! I also sent out a message to the consortium and will update with what they come back with!
11,77751,2020-05-29T18:02:14.270Z,13414,0,16,15,1,0,0,23.2,77596,anon3922700746,anon3290530303,"I have further plans in mind on academic mental health community and how we could work together on training, P2P mentoring and the like. Already checked your website:) Once you receive feedback from the slack group, I’d like to get in touch with you and possibly other interested fellows in your community. Thanks and glad to have you join:)"
12,77838,2020-06-01T10:24:18.053Z,13414,2,16,15,0,0,0,43.2,75688,anon2559780152,anon3922700746,"Hi! Few words on what I could share with you from my previous and actual experience in acadeanon1235093333:

Concerning the DIVERSITY point:
- As the initiator of a program for the integration of refugee students at the University of Geneva (called now that it has been institutionalized ""Horizon académique"": https://www.unige.ch/horizon-academique/), I could share some experiences in what it is, how it works, what is the aim, etc.

Concerning the WORK CONDITIONS in acadeanon1235093333:

- As a scholar in French (since 2017) I could give you information about how things are going on in French acadeanon1235093333: the dramatic increase of precariousness, the law that has been thought by the French government last fall and the strikes that occured in France until the lockdown partially stopped them. Some info here: https://acadeanon1235093333.hypotheses.org/the-french-academicstrike-is-on

- As a former precarious scholar in Switzerland I could as well give some information...

I would be happy to discuss these issues with you. 
Cristina Del Biaggio"
13,77843,2020-06-01T10:53:45.929Z,13414,0,17,16,0,0,0,3.4,77838,anon3922700746,anon2559780152,"welcome @anon2559780152:) just emailed you on the process while you were posting here. nice coincidence! I think starting from refugee students problems and concerns is a good idea. With focus on ""Horizon académique"" , we can open such a window. Your other suggestions are also very relevant. It would also be worthwhile to have policy maker/practitioner/rapporteur working in the field of knowledge labor and higher education in the conversation. Just ping me @anon"
14,78350,2020-06-05T11:55:20.327Z,13414,1,16,15,1,0,0,28.2,75688,anon4228854084,anon3922700746,"Looking at your mission and participants, my 10 years on the faculty at 3 institutions in the United States may not be useful. But I'm interested in the discussion and let me know if I can help.

- I was adjunct at the International Academy of Design and Technology in Chicago and Stevens Institute of Technology in New Jersey; associate at the Illinois Institute of Art
- I participated in union organization at the Illinois Institute of Art. When it came to a vote, we lost.
- I am currently an independent researcher that still publishes in an academic capacity and attends academic conferences.

Either way, I have registered to attend."
15,78356,2020-06-05T12:26:17.876Z,13414,1,17,16,1,0,0,13.4,78350,anon3922700746,anon4228854084,"Dear @anon4228854084, happy to hear you are interested in the session.  Checked your website, you have an interdisciplinary take on ICT, art and knowledge systems and plenty of international experience in higher education. We will definitely gain a lot from your experience and insight into new precarities and pressure on critical thinking as well is diversity. Welcome:) We’ll stay in touch and hopefully expand from here. Thanks:)"
16,78361,2020-06-05T13:29:45.284Z,13414,0,17,16,1,0,0,38.4,78356,anon4228854084,anon3922700746,"Great. Thanks for taking the time! I'm looking forward to the discussion.

I'll add one other dimension to consider: conferences. I believe conferences have been vital to the exchange of ideas in acadeanon1235093333 for centuries (I use the term *acadeanon1235093333* literally as I use the word *conference* loosely). 

I have always enjoyed conferences even while recognizing that they are generally exclusionary and the requisite travel is part of the climate problem.

The pandemic has already had a tremendous impact here. Organizers are not only scrambling to create a digital proxy, but also attempting to define the value of a conference in digital space. In my experience, registration prices have largely been waived in this transition period - a welcome change for an independent researcher like myself; I rarely have rarely had institutional support. 

These meetings have been greener as well. Conversely, the social aspect has been far less gratifying."
17,78983,2020-06-16T16:36:15.337Z,13414,2,16,15,1,0,0,63.2,75688,anon2649601266,anon3922700746,"Hi everyone! Just quickly introducing myself - I'm Rebecca, and I work in HE in the UK.  (I also worked with Edgeryders back in the beginning, on The Edgeryders Guide to the Future.)  There are so many important dimensions to the topic of precarity in HE; I'm particularly interested in how HE systems entrench inequalities at all levels, including access to education for certain categories of student.  I'm also interested in what kinds of knowledge become lost as HE sheds expertise.  Look forward to the discussion!"
18,78985,2020-06-16T16:39:47.200Z,13414,1,16,15,1,0,0,13.2,78983,anon3922700746,anon2649601266,"Hi Rebecca. Nice to catch you here with your worthwhile questions:) Would you be interested in presenting a blurb of these concerns during the session, say in a 5 mn talk? I'm putting together a draft schedule, rather felexibly structured, to gain the most out of a couple of hours. Just let me know here or via email if you'd be interested in a more active participation. I`d be glad if you would!"
19,79011,2020-06-17T07:39:35.583Z,13414,1,15,14,1,0,0,28.0,78985,anon2649601266,anon3922700746,"Hi @anon3922700746.  Sure, I'd be happy to speak for a few minutes on these specific points, if it would be helpful."
20,79017,2020-06-17T08:47:09.120Z,13414,0,15,14,1,0,0,23.0,79011,anon3922700746,anon2649601266,Great. I’ll forward you the draft schedule and ask for a short bio via email. Thanks very much for your support and interest:)
21,79023,2020-06-17T09:57:27.238Z,13414,2,15,14,1,0,0,33.0,78983,anon2867672406,anon2649601266,"Hello @anon2649601266, great to see you again on Edgeryders.  

I have no expertise of my own to contribute. What I do have is some personal memories that stretch back quite a bit, as I am fairly old. So, I remember the other side of this debate when I was an undergraduate student, back in the late 1980s. People then looked at academics, and found a lot of entrenchment. Once hired, academics were unfireable. The top layer of researchers stayed mobile, moving from one prestigious university to the next in order to find new stimuli and new collaborators; but, if you were a student in a peripheral university in, say Italy (Camerino? Bari?), chances were, your teachers had been in the same department for 10-25 years, and they would teach you what they saw fit to teach, with no accountability whatsoever. You just had to hope that they would be fairly up-to-date, reliable at office hours, reasonably interested in talking to you. If not, tough luck. Especially the senior ones were *really* entrenched. People called them ""baroni"", the barons. And since you got in there by co-optation, getting a job as a professor was very much about swearing fealty to one of these academic feudal lords. They would get you a job (very eventually) by making a deal with fellow barons: I upvote your flunkie in the competition, you upvote mine. The system was felt to be rotten and overdue for some disruption. This is the *only* reason why I myself, after taking a good look, decided not to go into acadeanon1235093333. My friends that did become professors (in economics), they all had to migrate, get to somewhere where academic jobs were more contendible, acquire some leverage, then go back to Italy (and still do deals).

American unis, the lore went, did not do things like this. They encouraged their people to not stay longer than five years, then go look for someone else to play with. This would re-align all sorts of incentives. We should imitate them.

And people did, or tried to, but of course they could not really dislodge the barons (rectors, deans, heads of department etc.). So what they did was the easy thing: precarize the lower tier of the academic job market. Then reformers appear to have lost interest and moved on. 

Not sure what we can learn from these stories. Maybe my point is that the older generation abused its privilege, and earned a pushback that of course affected others. And maybe another point is that, when reforming, you should really really pause and think about rebound and other second-order effects."
22,79036,2020-06-17T11:31:22.967Z,13414,1,15,14,2,0,0,18.0,77838,anon2446385507,anon2559780152,"Hi Cristina, 
I was re-reading this whole thread in preparation for the session - and the fact that you called yourself a precarious scholar drew my attention: from what perspective did you feel like this? a socio-economic datum I believe..
Thank you, looking forward to meet you next week,
anon2649858692mi"
23,79037,2020-06-17T11:33:21.616Z,13414,0,15,14,1,0,0,38.0,79023,anon2649601266,anon2867672406,"Hi Alberto!  Good to see you again, too!  I think that the system that I see now - certainly in the UK, I'm less well placed to comment on other systems - is somewhere between the two extremes you describe.  There are still a lot of established people at the top who often act as 'kingmakers' (with anon3760934795ogies for the gendered term, although issues of gender inequality are very pertinent to this debate) - if they're your PhD external examiner or your post-doc supervisor, they're in a position to help you into a permanent position and grant you the holy grail of stability (relatively speaking).  (No-one wants to admit this, but I see it, including amongst scholars who are otherwise pretty 'right on' in terms of the academic identity they externally perform.)  Without a 'kingmaker' or other 'patron' (or 'baron'), you're on your own.  Some will make it (and there's a separate discussion to be had about the social and economic circumstances of those who do make it...), but most won't.  One argument would be to simply say, well, tough, gaining a PhD doesn't entitle you to an academic career.  And that's true, but there are bigger issues here related to the knowledge that is produced by early career scholars that is then either lost (because they don't have the resource to get it published or otherwise into the public domain) or it is appropriated by others higher up the food chain (a bigger problem in the sciences than the social sciences/humanities).  There a huge ethical issues here to do with knowledge appropriation, knowledge loss, as well as the socio-economic inequalities that are perpetuated by a system where it is literally still who you know and/or how well connected you are that determines whether or not you'll get a job."
24,79110,2020-06-18T06:10:49.378Z,13414,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,75688,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"Hi @anon1650793189,

Thanks for registering to the Resilient Livelihoods summit, this is the next session and I'm wondering if you or others in your network will be attending?

Don't hesitate to introduce yourself here in a comment, so that @anon3922700746, our curator, and other participants can connect with you,  
xx"
25,79114,2020-06-18T06:35:57.098Z,13414,0,14,13,1,0,0,22.8,79023,anon3922700746,anon2867672406,"Thanks for drawing the canonical picture of generations’ worth misdeed and systemic hierarchies @anon2867672406! HE is based on a feudal approach ever since its establishment and I feel like it is high time to mention how this has, in the literal sense, bullshitization of academic jobs at any level. I hope you can join us in this session with your honest and open contributions towards a life of sustainable commons. Would be highly appreciated:)"
26,79185,2020-06-19T10:58:31.600Z,13414,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,75688,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,"Dear Session participants: Here is our plan for the session. I put in the titles of the short talks. Please check your bio dear @anon2649601266 since I copied it from your webpage affiliated to the university. I have also put in contributors, following up with those signing up here as well as on Facebook. We will be sending you the login link and other housekeeping info Monday morning. Thanks for your help in this dear @anon2446385507:) 

22 June, 2020 at 5 pm (CET) 

* **Intro on diverse_precarious and dissent in HE networks: Asli Telli**
* **Academic neoliberal agendas. Crossed experiences between France, Switzerland and reflections for Germany: Cristina del Biaggio**
* **Systemic inequalities and lost knowledge in HE: Rebecca Collins**
* **Decolonial movements and alternative unionization efforts: Ayse Batur**

*Contributions by V.Pinto (Italy case, anti-Bologna action and impact in Europe), Pascale Laborier, David Schmudde, Alberto Cottica, Academics for Peace and other peace supporters/activists with their insight on the way forward*

**BIO`s of Speakers**

Asli Telli: Asli is a member of Academics for Peace Network and focuses on digital media facilitated activism, resistance, advocacy and transversal action of displaced commons. She taught and performed field research in Turkey, Switzerland, Malta, France, the US and lately in Germany, The latest projects she contributes to are ""Digital Transversal Action of Euro-Migrants against Right Populisms"" (www.mobilesolidarity.com) and ""Mapping Academic Freedoms"" (www.mappingfunds.com). Lately, she reflects with her colleagues on implications of protracted displacements, perish of critical knowledge and inequalities.  

Cristina Del Biaggio: Cristina is assistant professor at the Université Grenoble Alpes (France) and at the research laboratory Pacte (www.pacte-grenoble.fr) since 2017. Geographer, her research focuses mainly on migrations and borders. She previsouly worked at the University of Geneva, where she completed her PhD and has successively worked as post-doc, lecturer, researcher, etc. At parallel, she also worked for an NGO based in Geneva where she run a project ""Le Comptoir des médias"" (https://asile.ch/comptoir-des-medias/), a media watch on asylum and refugees.

Rebecca Collins: Rebecca is a human geographer with research interests in the intersection of everyday material culture and sustainability, youth culture(s), and the politics of the body. At present, she is a senior lecturer in Human Geography at the University of Chester in the UK. 

Ayse Batur: Ayşe is a translator, editor, currently a Ph.D. candidate at the Academy of Visual Arts (HBK - Braunschweig) in Germany. Batur studied philosophy at the Bogazici University in Istanbul, and Cultural Studies (MA) at the Istanbul Bilgi University. Her dissertation project focuses on the memory politics around the Gezi Uprising."
28,79190,2020-06-19T12:24:52.420Z,13414,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,1,anon3922700746,,thanks @anon
29,79235,2020-06-20T20:53:59.994Z,13414,2,13,12,1,0,0,62.6,75688,anon1650793189,anon3922700746,"Hello, I'm an ex academic teacher who lost his job due to cuts in the bioethics department teaching curriculum. Since the time i graduated from my philosophy department, the number of students decreased tenfold and many of my friends at the uni have been struggling with precarisation of their positions. We don't have the tenure issue here in Poland, but people's full-time contracts, with social security, employment stability and prestige are being cut-down or replaced with other forms of engagement and there is hardly any recruitment.
Most of them live from grant to grant, from project to project to make ends meet (god bless the EU!). Until recently, young researchers (in their doctoral studies and sometimes after graduation) had no quarantee of employment or income. The latter has changed. (Working as librarians or security guards on night shifts let them catch up with their reading list). We're also undergoing a reform of higher education that, to many of them, is bound to make the situation even worse.
I'm keen to participate and hear the conversation!"
30,79237,2020-06-21T03:13:47.180Z,13414,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,79235,anon3922700746,anon1650793189,Thank you @anon1650793189. Would be happy to see you among the discussants after the short talks. The Polish case is interesting since authoritarian measures also apply. How would you see the impact on academic freedoms and freedom of speech? I also wonder what the new reforms will bring.
31,79292,2020-06-22T06:26:34.421Z,13414,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,79036,anon2559780152,anon2446385507,"Dear anon2649858692mi, I used the word ""precaious"" because it is what I was. In 10 years at the University of Geneva. As PhD student and ""teaching assistant"" first and as post-doc later I cumulated something like 24 contracts. And while in Switzerland I had no perspective for a permanent position. And it is not only a question of socio-economic instability (I always managed to get contracts inside and outside university in order to have a decent salary), but more in terms of status and perspectives. 
Best, Cristina"
32,79297,2020-06-22T07:44:51.136Z,13414,0,13,12,1,1,0,7.6,1,anon2446385507,,"[quote=""anon
where to go from here? As much as I enjoy discussing the current state of acadeanon1235093333 and research, I feel that we scholars tend to enjoy analyzing and debating more than concretizing strategies and acting on them.
[/quote]

I second that, especially since some of us in the session are not working in the academic milieu but would be happy to think along the lines of what is being done, and how others can contribute to existing or new efforts."
33,79299,2020-06-22T07:58:52.492Z,13414,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,79235,anon2446385507,anon1650793189,"@anon1650793189 thank you for sharing, so you are more of a freelance academic nowadays?

I suspect many of the short contracts that Cristina talks about as well are also that: basically freelancing in a very traditional environment where status is tied to the job security.. which makes it a complete misnomer when all of your contracts are meant to get you closer to a permanent position.

Are you seeking for a permanent position.. and if so, what makes you feel hopeful?"
34,79302,2020-06-22T08:31:29.000Z,13414,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,79185,anon2649601266,anon3922700746,"Hi Asli,

 Apologies, I’ve only just seen your message – but I’ve also seen you’ve pulled together a bio for me from my dept webpage, which is absolutely fine!  If there’s anything else you need from me, do
let me know.  I have a few meetings today but will be keeping an eye on email.

Look forward to seeing you online this evening.

Best wishes,

Rebecca"
36,79358,2020-06-22T16:20:39.944Z,13414,0,12,11,1,0,0,37.4,75688,anon95046639,anon3922700746,"I am adding my comment on first generation academics from the call to this thread: I am from a rural area and in fact most of the people I graduated school (A-levels) with (as myself), were the first in their families to go on to university. 10 Years after starting our studies, getting good academic jobs seems often to have to do with connections and confidence, both of which a lot of first generation academics lack. We also do not have guidance and reaffirmation to go on in that direction from our families. What I have observed is many of us defaulting to other or administrative work after their studies, unable to break into the next level.

Maybe it is not a coincidence that the economical situation of especially young academics has become worse while there have also come more first generation academics who are not aware what to demand, what would be the best career moves and how to protect their rights."
37,79360,2020-06-22T16:28:50.428Z,13414,1,12,11,1,0,0,42.4,75688,anon1650793189,anon3922700746,"Hi, everybody!
Thank you for these very informative discussion, food for thought for me.
Unfortunately I had to leave earlier, and didn't contribute as much as I'd wanted.
Thank you all for your voices and participation, it was a great experience for me!

When I finish with what I've got to do, I'll write back with some answers to your questions. 
Thanks again for having me!

w"
38,79361,2020-06-22T16:37:12.206Z,13414,1,12,11,1,0,0,42.4,79360,anon2446385507,anon1650793189,"Thanks to you and all who joined. The conversation is still going, and we will be posting the notes with highlighted questions that we keep reflecting on!"
39,79367,2020-06-22T18:53:20.682Z,13414,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,79361,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"This will be a repeat to anon2649858692mi’s round of thanks:) I really appreciate all the sincere sharing during this session. We managed to turn a cold-zoom connection into a warm moment of reflection. Thanks to @anon2446385507’s initiative of note-taking, we started producing documentation right away. I also copied the discussion in the chat pane and will add those to our googledoc as well. If there is anything you thought was left to address, pls. post it here. This was only a warm-up into great things we’ll do together. Let’s keep up the hope and take this forward!"
40,79424,2020-06-23T12:09:58.953Z,13414,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,75688,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"So this tweet just went viral...

![Capture1|629x690](upload://qyZGpOZqaN54uKyrGn2Q5az5X1o.png)"
41,79585,2020-06-25T14:23:59.952Z,13414,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,79424,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"I guess this is the best you can get at the moment as a colored women in acadeanon1235093333, esp. if you`re still climbing the ladder of tenure. Even more sadly, it is considered an honorable gesture to turn such an offer down whereas this should be the norm. No relocation support, travel funds or any extra benefits mean you are there just to follow a default plan presented to you by the institution and better not resist since this is and will be your only chance! We are discussing such hot topics here at the moment: https://www.mittelbau.net/call-for-participation-precarious-internationale-solidarity-network-meeting/   The discussions and online input from participants (video and audio) take place in a Moodle platform where you can sign up as a guest here: https://moodle.hu-berlin.de/login/index.php  and join the discussions under course title: Precarious International. On July 1st, there will be an online gathering via zoom embedded in moodle platform. Just hop in if you find the time any time until July 1st."
42,79590,2020-06-25T14:53:40.736Z,13414,1,12,11,1,0,0,42.4,79585,anon3922700746,anon3922700746,dear @anon2446385507 @anon
43,79616,2020-06-26T07:58:41.700Z,13414,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,79590,anon2446385507,anon3922700746,"I would say since most people are stressed for time - it woudl be good to publish the notes, and because it will be a wiki everyone can go in and make modifications.

The most important is to have it up sooner rather than later, while our thoughts from the session are still fresh and the participants can publish their reflections forward in the comment there."
44,79618,2020-06-26T08:11:23.898Z,13414,1,9,8,2,0,0,31.8,79616,anon3922700746,anon2446385507,"Alright, agree with that. Will make the last touch on the title, then go ahead and publish in wiki form, @anon2446385507. Thanks:)"
45,79676,2020-06-29T09:51:34.766Z,13414,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,79618,anon2649601266,anon3922700746,"Thanks for such a great write-up of our discussion last week.  I've added a little more detail to my section, just to help with clarity.  Look forward to seeing where this conversation goes next."
46,79714,2020-06-29T15:53:50.545Z,13414,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,79676,anon3922700746,anon2649601266,thank you Rebecca for being there with your sincere input and also for following up. We will  keep in touch; I also look forward to the collective spirit through ongoing discussions. Let us keep adding on and sharing:)
1,79608,2020-06-25T19:39:39.820Z,13976,0,13,12,3,0,0,62.6,79608,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"<image here> 
 

Wenn Du neu bei Edgeryders bist, ist es wahrscheinlich nicht ganz leicht, einen schnellen Überblick zu bekommen, denn wir sind ein globales Netzwerk von über 4000 Menschen die an den verschiedensten Themen von Partizipation, Gesundheit, Technologie, sozialem Fortschritt, bis Innovation interessiert sind. 

Wir kommen aus allen Gesellschaftsschichten, um interessante Informationen miteinander zu teilen, neue Verbindungen zu knüpfen und zusammenzuarbeiten. Indem wir Erfahrungen miteinander teilen, verwandeln wir unsere kollektiven Erfahrungen in nützliches Wissen, um letztlich damit bessere Entscheidungen für uns und unsere Familien, sowie Freunde, Kollegen und Mitarbeiter zu treffen.

Wir glauben dass die politischen und sozialen Agenden von den Bürgern ausgehen müssen, wir brauchen offene Forschungsprojekte, die den Teilnehmenern ebenso Möglichkeiten zur Mitgestaltung einbringt. Wir stehen dafür ein, dass alle unsere Gemeinschaftsprojekte zu konkreten Chancen für unsere Mitglieder führen.

## Warum Edgeryders und was hat das mit ""Wellbeing"" zu tun?

Wir gehen zusammen auf eine Entdeckungsreise. Sie beginnt hier im Forum an, und führt uns zu Veranstaltungen, Projekten und Gelegenheiten für die engagiertesten Mitwirkenden. Und zwar vor dem Hintergrund der Coronakrise, die wohl weitreichendsten Krise der kollektiven Erinnerung.

Dabei kommen wir zu den Wurzeln von Edgeryders zurück: Gegründet in der Finanzkrise von 2011, ging es bei Edgeryders von Anfang an um das Zuhören, das Lernen, und das Zusammenwachsen.  

Dass wir dabei auf Einfallsreichtum und stellenweise sogar Großzügigkeit treffen werden, haben wir zumindest gehofft. Aber wir fanden auch etwas, womit wir nicht gerechnet hatten: ein gemeinsames Gefühl der Chance. 

In einer Krise wird das Zentrum (der Gesellschaft sowie Institutionen) schwächer, weicher, durchlässiger. Gleichzeitig finden sich Menschen am Rand oft mit mehr Handlungsfähigkeit wieder. Und plötzlich hörte man uns zu. Wir versuchten, die Krise als ein Floß zu benutzen, um uns von der kaputten alten Welt in eine bessere, vernünftigere Welt zu tragen.

Natürlich muss man in 2020 sagen: Die alte Welt ist noch da. Doch haben wir denen, die mit uns auf dem Weg waren, gemeinsam Neues geschaffen und geholfen, die richtigen Menschen, Ressourcen, und Chancen zu öffnen. 

So arbeiten wir z.B. an gemeinschaftlichem open-source Gesundheitswesen, der Evolution des Internets, einem Modellprojekt zum semi-suffizienten Zusammenleben in der Stadt, [The Reef](https://thereef.brussels/), und geben Raum zum Experimentieren mit völlig anderen neuen Wirtschaftssystemen, dem [Sci-Fi Economics Lab](https://scifieconomicslab.net/).

## Gemeinsam auf Entdeckungsreise für ein gutes Leben

Als Entdeckungsreise können wir noch nicht genau sagen, wohin es gehen wird. Auch werden die Formate sich noch entwickeln - denn wenn wir eines gelernt haben, ist dass es kein echten Zuhören ist, wenn das Ergebnis schon feststeht.

Zum Glück haben wir viele Erfahrungen gesammelt, die wir in diesen Prozess einbranon3589994963n werden, um selbst schwierige Phasen zu meistern. Und durch die Kontakte und Allianzen die wir seit 2011 geschmiedet haben, ergeben sich vielfältige Möglichkeiten deine Geschichte, Arbeit, Projekt, oder Fragen vorzustellen und oft an die richtige Stelle zu branon3589994963n. Unsere Analysemethoden sind wissenschaftlich fundiert und unsere Ergebnisse wurden schon in EU Direktiven 1:1 im Wortlaut übernommen. Und unser Selbstverständnis ist, dass wir mit denen, die unsere Community bilden, so zusammenarbeiten, dass für alle etwas dabei rausspringt - denn nur so kommen wir zu einer besseren Gesellschaft.

## Wie kann ich jetzt mitmachen?

1. [Melde Dich hier an](http://communities.edgeryders.eu/) um der Community beizutreten!

2. Teile eine Geschichte aus deinem Leben! Hier findest du ein paar Vorschläge aus welchen Lebensbereichen dies sein könnte. Such dir ein Thema aus, das dir am Herzen liegt, und schreib uns, was dir wichtig ist. du kannst auch anderen Unterstützung anbieten, indem du Gedanken, Ideen, und Kommentare zu ihren Geschichten hinterlässt.

   * Wie bleibst du gesund - sowohl physisch als auch psychisch? Welche Angebote dafür gibt es?
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   * Wie ist der soziale Zusammenhalt wo Du lebst? Findest du Menschen die dich unterstützen oder du unterstützen kannst? Menschen, die an ähnlichen Themen oder Aktivitäten interessiert sind?

   **HIER KLICKEN:** [Neues Thema hinzufügen](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/in-deutschland)"
1,77635,2020-05-28T15:12:32.084Z,13695,0,19,18,6,0,0,33.8,77635,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"In the USA there is not only a huge number of Covid-19 cases and deaths, but there is a large segment of the population that believes vaccinations in  general are dangerous to one's health and/or a social control scheme promulgated by neoliberals, Democrats, anti-Trump voters and...well, you name it.  And a (limited) study just came out indicating that almost half the people surveyed said they would refuse a vaccine if it was offered.  Enough so that if the ratio holds, a vaccine would not much stop the spread of the virus.

Is this also the case in Europe?"
2,77637,2020-05-28T15:30:04.062Z,13695,0,19,18,1,0,0,23.8,77635,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"There have been numerous articles in the press suggesting that nations that do develop or obtain a vaccine will not be generous in sharing it with other nations.  So there is that form of nationalism.  But I don't mean that so much as the relationship between far-right groups and a growing movement against any form of large-scale vaccinations.

This NYT article from May 18 describes the far-right German AfD Party as a central driving force in protests around Germany that attracted as many as ten thousand people.  Anti-vaxxing often gets bundled in with a group of other issues such as anti-immigration, protests that job loss is worse than the pandemic and general anti-elitism.  This bundling is also the case in the USA.  I find it hard to tell between the anti-vaxxer contanon3589994963nt that really believes vaccines are a harmful means of social control and the overall right-wing nationalist movements who is using whom.

But how serious is this movement against vaccinations and how widespread is it in Europe?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/world/europe/coronavirus-germany-far-right.html"
3,78136,2020-06-03T12:40:59.579Z,13695,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,77635,anon3346229079,anon1659154220,"Well that title, using so much generalisation/sta;ping overall :slight_smile:

I don't know about the situation in Europe, or where can we see such statistics but I would like to know in which camp would you place me:
1. I wouldn't accept a vaccine for COVID if someone was giving it to me now or until the end of the year for sure, for obvious reasons of lack of ability to confirm its safety due to it being developed for such a short time. Certainly would get other vaccines, proven for usefulness and safety.
2. I sure would vote for Trump over Biden or Hillary forever. But I would never vote for Trump if Sanders or somebody more decent would be backed by the party for once, instead of being sabotaged

Also, I don't believe in nations even. They are for me an artificial construct, needless and used to control and enslave population. I have never voted for the right wing party in my life, in Europe I vote for Green party. But I would still vote for Trump in US at the moment.
While I am extremely liberal in relation to most things, I became quite conservative when I look at international economics since I became aware of how deals are made between countries, various power structures and different systems of power.

So, I am confused...where do I belong on this spectrum of populists/antivaxxers etc? :smiley: 

Also I would like to speculate on something and hear your thoughts on the subject:
Considering the timing of the riots, during social distancing and other measures in place because of COVID pandemic, and the number of new cases/day. Should we see a crazy increase in new cases in a week or two? Logically it should happen, if we consider the COVID incubation period?"
4,78164,2020-06-03T13:58:19.893Z,13695,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,77635,anon2867672406,anon1659154220,Great question. I have not thought much about it. I will need to cross-check some of the Italian populists...  who knows anything about this? @anon
5,78166,2020-06-03T14:02:22.120Z,13695,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,77635,anon3896017124,anon1659154220,I have been avoiding finding a name for each human category for a long time. Simplification is a risk from which I try to stay as far away as possible.
6,78220,2020-06-03T16:51:29.443Z,13695,1,13,12,0,0,0,7.6,78136,anon1659154220,anon3346229079,"Overgeneralizing: guilty as charged.  Still, you get the idea.

A vaccine this year - yes that would be very fast indeed. Too fast.

But if you do not believe in nations then why would you vote for America First wannabe dictator like Trump?

And as for an increase in infections due to riots, yes I assume there will be a rise.  Which I find worrisome.

But the pandemic, inequality and racism are bound together so tightly that, at least in the USA, not one of them can be solved or even much improved without doing the same for the others.  The systemic problems are too deep and intertwined."
7,78223,2020-06-03T17:46:51.361Z,13695,0,13,12,0,1,0,2.6,78220,anon3346229079,anon1659154220,"[quote=""anon1659154220, post:6, topic:13695""]
But if you do not believe in nations then why would you vote for America First wannabe dictator like Trump?
[/quote]
Well I thought it can be understood from my comment, simply because I believe the alternative candidates were/are worse. If democrats pushed forward someone decent, not those two sickos, I wouldn't vote for Trump :slight_smile:.
Was just giving an example in my post, things aren't that simple and I believe majority of people don't really fit into such categorization but are rather somewhere between. 

[quote=""anon1659154220, post:6, topic:13695""]
But the pandemic, inequality and racism are bound together so tightly that, at least in the USA, not one of them can be solved or even much improved without doing the same for the others. The systemic problems are too deep and intertwined.
[/quote]
I agree. It's not practical to divide people in such simplified ways though and it does not encourage discussion. Change will never happen without serious discussions...only further alienation, polarising and closing deeper within our own bubbles.

I don't think we can just aim at changing ""the system"" as a whole. I would rather start with all those different elements one by one, after determining priority. For example, for sure access to good information, education, health and financial security should decrease racism.

Unfortunately political games in US became so volatile and reckless lately, not to mention ridiculous in some cases. Also this huge misinformation campaigns as part of the political rivalry, manipulations which are more and more obvious, are not increasing the trust in ""the system"", therefore the society will have more much people who naturally deviate to alternatives. It will also make them less willing to accept government incentives, be it vaccination or anything else. Also, when you see people in the panels making decisions about COVID measures and vaccination are 2/3 people from big pharma, it's kind of easy to see the conflict of interest, making it less likely to gain support within general population."
8,78225,2020-06-03T17:57:49.282Z,13695,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,77635,anon781457888,anon1659154220,"what you need to pay attention to is what looks like a cult at the intersections of all that is crazy. Follow Travisview on twitter, he monitors that crowd - they are literally ding dong. Those are the ones Id be worried about. Them and the popo"
1,52519,2019-04-12T17:59:05.484Z,9725,0,30,29,12,0,0,66.0,52519,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"**Czym jest dla Ciebie opieka?** 

* _Kto dostarcza opieki w Twojej rodzinie, Twoim mieście?_
* _Kto powinien sprawować opiekę nad starzejącymi się osobami? Niepełnosprawnymi? Dziećmi?_
* _Jak, Twoim zdaniem, wygląda opieka w Polsce? Jak Ty sprawujesz opiekę nad innymi?_


Opieka jest kluczowym elementem zdrowego społeczeństwa. Jej jakość i dostępność przekładają się na komfort życia - dotyczy to zarówno opieki zdrowotnej, psychologicznej, jak i społecznej.Nasze możliwości uczestniczenia w życiu rodzinnym, publicznym, dostęp do pracy, są uzależnione od tego, czy w naszych anon1235093333stach mamy lekarzy i przychodnie, szpitale i przedszkola, osoby poanon1547754019jące starszym i niepełnosprawnym w codziennych czynnościach, wsparcie dla biednych czy bezdomnych. 

**Tymczasem opieka zdrowotna kuleje - kolejki do lekarzy specjalistów, których w Polsce jest niedostatek, trwają nawet rok.** Na zdrowie wydajemy też z budżetu ponad połowę mniej środków, niż na przykład Niemcy - a wielu osób nie stać na dobrego lekarza czy opiekę daleko od domu. 

Polacy coraz częściej i głośniej doanon1547754019ją się koniecznych zanon1235093333n - które z nich wydają się Tobie najpilniejsze?

Wydatki na walkę z bezdomnością i budowanie mieszkań socjalnych. Historie rodzin i starszych wyrzucanych z prywatyzowanych domów pojawiają się regularnie w ogólnopolskich mediach - wielu z nich oferowane są w zaanon1235093333n lokale z warunkami niegodnymi rozwiniętego państwa. 

Niedofinansowane są też emerytury, renty, ochrona zdrowia czy rehabilitacja. Protest rodzin osób niepełnosprawnych w ostatnim roku pokazał nam skalę problemu - nie dość, że osoby niepełnosprawne nie dostają wystarczającego wsparcia ze strony państwa, to niedostateczna pomoc dla ich rodzin sprawia, że wiele z tych osób żyje w ubóstwie i nie może podjąć się pracy. 

Wielu z nas popiera prawo do narodzin każdego dziecka - ale niewielu z nas zdaje sobie sprawę w kosztów i trudów związanych z zapewnieniem niepełnosprawnym osobom godnego poziomu życia. Jest to tym bardziej paradoksalne w kraju z najostrzejszym w Europie prawem do aborcji. 

Niedofinansowanie pomocy dla osób starszych zrzuca obowiązek ten na młodsze pokolenia. Często są to osoby często samotne, niedołężne, mieszkające samotnie i utrzymujące się z niewystarczających emerytur. Pół biedy, jeśli mają one rodziny, i te rodziny jest na taką pomoc stać. Gorzej z tymi, którzy mieszkają sami, lub ich bliscy i tak ledwo wiążą koniec z końcem. Dodatkowe obciążenia sprawiają, że takim rodzinom trudniej jest im wyjść z biedy czy wyedukować dzieci. 

**Być może znasz ten problem z własnego doświadczenia, i masz pomysły, które pomogłyby Ci radzić sobie z tym wyzwaniem?** 

Młode rodziny bezpośrednio dotyka niewystarczająca liczba przedszkoli i żłobków - dlatego rodzice nie posyłają do nich dzieci tak często, jak w innych krajach Europy. A to ma wpływ na ich sytuację zawodową i finansową, nie wspominając o edukacyjnych szansach dla dzieci. 

Pieniądze w Polsce są ponadto wydawane są w nieskuteczny sposób, przez co maleją szanse ubogich osób na zanon1235093333nę sytuacji życiowej. O wiele lepiej wypadają tu Szwecja, Węgry czy Luksemburg, których pomoc społeczna trzy razy częściej poanon1547754019 obywatelom na wyjście z biedy. Czy uważasz, że rolą państwa jest odpowiedzialne i mądre zarządzanie finansami, i pomoc biednym w poprawianiu ich sytuacji? 

Ciekawi jesteśmy Twojej opinii na temat opieki społecznej i zdrowotnej w Polsce. Przede wszystkim, czy powinna ona być sprawowana przez państwo - i jeśli tak, to co, Twoim zdaniem, musiałoby się w niej zawierać? Czy potrzebna jest solidarność z biednymi i wykluczonymi? Jeśli tak, to dlaczego? 

# **Stworzyliśmy na tę potrzebę specjalne forum, w którym bezpiecznie możemy rozmawiać na ważne tematy.**

**Będziemy unikać tutaj konfliktów i obrażania, zapewnimy wszystkim uczestnikom odpowiednie warunki do wyrażenia własnej opinii i uczuć.**

Dzięki wam zrozumiemy, jakie są życiowe doświadczenia mieszkańców Polski, i innych części świata - rozmawiamy o tym z Serbami, Czechami, Węgrami, i każdym, kto ma coś na ten temat do powiedzenia. 

**Zapraszamy was do udziału w tej dyskusji:**

1. **Wpadnij na spotkanie online.** Co tydzień organizujemy otwarte rozmowy na różne tematy - wystarczy kliknąć na link i dołączyć do wirtualnej rozmowy tutaj: http://bit.ly/2P47Zv0

Albo…

2. **Jeśli wolisz pisać, zapraszamy do pisania o swoich doświadczeniach na naszej platformie, gdzie możesz spotkać ponad 4500 osób z 80 krajów na całym świecie.** Załóż konto na tej stronie internetowej klikając na “Zarejestruj się” w prawym górnym rogu tej strony. Następnie kliknij na "" + nowy temat"", aby rozpocząć nowy artykuł. http://bit.ly/2KCr6Oq

Płacimy też uczestnikom za najlepsze historie, więcej informacji tutaj: https://edgeryders.eu/t/show-us-stories-that-matter-become-an-expert-in-a-topic-and-get-paid-200/9823

Czekamy na ciebie - do zobaczenia!


Z niecierpliwością czekamy na spotkanie z Państwem,

@anon4110936133, @anon3353600255, @anon1659154220, @anon"
3,77816,2020-06-01T09:38:43.285Z,9725,0,6,5,0,0,0,1.2,52519,anon1650793189,anon3593942245,"Sporo osób w mojej bańce (lewicowej mocno) pisze o naszym kraju jako państwie nie tyle już nawet z tektury, co z patyka i gluta (i tym podobnych, potrafią być ci moi znajomi naprawdę kreatywni). Moje koleżanki i koledzy chodzą blokować nielegalne eksmisje, chodzą na protesty pracownicze, uczestniczą w strajkach, organizują związki zawodowe w miejscach pracy, jeden znajomy (obecnie poseł z ramienia partii Razem) sprzedał jakiś czas temu mieszkanie , żeby móc poświęcić się działalności politycznej), uczestniczyli, wspierali i koordynowali protest rezydentów (młodych lekarzy po stażu, ale jeszcze bez specjalizacji) i działania Porozumienia Zawodów Medycznych, protestowali w przypadku karygodnych zachowań pracodawców względem imigrantów z Ukrainy, karygodnych działań państwa względem uchodźców, azylantów, loanon3213561856orów prywatyzowanych kamienic ( we współpracy z Kancelarią Sprawiedliwości Społecznej Piotra Ikonowicza bronili ludzi, w tym starsze osoby, przed praktykami czyścicieli kamienic), kobiet w kontekście ich praw rozrodczych, mniejszości seksualnych. Razem staliśmy w śniegu przed kancelarią Prezesa Rady Ministrów z rzutnikiem, wyświetlając fragmenty konstytucji na ściany budynku, chcąc sprawić, by ówczesna premier Szydło opublikowała wyrok Trybunału Konsytucyjnego (zanim rządząca partia Prawo i Sprawiedliwość obsadziła Trybunał swoimi ludźmi). Tak się też składa, że niemało z tych osób w którymś momencie życia anon1235093333ła styczność z systemem opieki psychiatrycznej. Kiedy działa się z ludźmi systemowo zmarginalizowanymi i systemowo dyskryminowanymi trzeba mieć bardzo grubą skórę, sporo uporu, ale też swoistą wrażliwość, która daje napęd do takich działań. Taka mieszanka owocuje często okresową emigracją wewnętrzną (o czym znajomi donoszą na fejsbuku) a czasami jest drogą ucieczki od rezygnacji wywołanej świadomością warunków, w jakich tym wrażliwym osobom przyszło żyć (postawa rządzących, dominująca rola kościoła w ustawianiu narracji, monopolizacja polskości przez prawicę, itd.). 
No i teraz jak można sobie radzić skoro państwo daje ciała na tak wielu polach? 
W moim mieście (duże anon1235093333sto, pod względem ludności chyba trzecie w Polsce, kiedyś aspirowało do bycia milionową metropolią, ale coś się popsuło i się wyludnia od lat końca lat osiemdziesiątych) mamy oczywiście dostęp do ochrony zdrowia (publicznej i prywatnej, przy czym z tej ostatniej korzystają głównie pracownicy dużych firm, którym owe firmy sponsorują taką opiekę) i pomocy spolecznej. Ale. Jeśli chodzi o ochronę zdrowia, to jest ona chronicznie niedofinansowana, nie tylko brakuje pieniędzy na profilaktykę, badania przesiewowe, sprzęt i leki, ale brakuje ich też na zasoby ludzkie. Lekarz po studiach musi iść na 13-miesięczny staż, gdzie zarabia trochę ponad minimalną krajową i dostaje na rękę niewiele ponad 2 tysiące PLN. Na rezydenturze (4-10 lat po stażu), jesli podpisze weksel, że nie wyjedzie wkrótce z kraju może dostać około 5 tysięcy na rękę (średnia krajowa wynosi około 3,8 tysiąca na rękę). To są lekarze. W naszym kraju jest ich najmniej na tysiąc mieszkańców w całej Europie. Mamy jeszcze pielęgniarki, u nich średnia wieku wynosi 52 lata a zarobki oscylują w okolicy średniej krajowej. Przy czym należy pamiętać, że większość z nich pracuje dużo ponad 40 godzin w tygodniu. Ratownicy medyczni zarabiają poniżej średniej krajowej, niektórzy z nich w granicach minimalnego wynagrodzenia. Salowe, osoby sprzatające, cały personel niemedyczny jest często outsource'owany poza publiczne placówki, bo szpitali po prostu nie stać na płacenie im wynagrodzeń. 
Stan polskiej psychiatrii jest anon3213561856astrofalny, szczególnie psychiatrii dziecęcej. Psychiatrów mamy prawie najmniej w całej UE, psychiatrów dziecięcych jest jeszcze mniej. ""Standard Światowej Organizacji Zdrowia to 10 psychiatrów na 100 tys. populacji małoletnich, podczas gdy w Polsce jest ich 379 na ponad 7 mln dzieci. Na 31 oddziałach całodobowych zatrudnionych jest łącznie 117 psychologów, a więc na oddział przypadają niecałe 4 etaty, a większość szpitali musi umieszczać chorych w wieloosobowych salach."" (z: https://www.termedia.pl/mz/Smutny-obraz-psychiatrii-dzieci-i-mlodziezy,36336.html).
O ile kolejki do specjalistów są i tak długaśne, to dostać się do psychiatry czy psychologa na NFZ jest jeszcze trudniej. A nierzadko są to przecież sprawy dość pilne. 
""O 20 proc. rok do roku wzrosła liczba osób w wieku 85+, które popełniły samobójstwo. W całej grupie osób 65+ odsetek ten wzrósł o 10 proc. Podobnie sytuacja wygląda wśród najmłodszych. Tu odsetek prób samobójczych wzrósł również o 10 proc."" (z: https://praca.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/1457138,samobojstwa-dzieci-i-seniorzy.html).
Stan budynków i wyposażenia szpitali i instytucji jest żenujący. Brakuje miejsc. 
Mój syn na spektrum autyzmu musiał czekać na konsultacje i orzecznictwo około pół roku, co oznaczało sześć miesięcy czekania na papier, który umożliwiłby przedszkolu zatrudnienie nauczyciela wspierającego i zapewnienie mu opieki psychologiczno-logopedycznej i jakiegoś wsparcia rozwoju. Rodzice dzieci z niepełnosprawnościami też nie mają lekko. Od kilku lat toczy się batalia o podwyższenia zasiłku dla opiekunów osób niepełnosprawnych (od 2018 roku 620 PLN netto, wcześniej 520), ale nikt nawet nie pomyślał o jakimś sensownym wsparciu dla psychiki tych opiekunów. Rząd zrzucił na samorządy obowiązek zapewnienia opiekunom takich osób urlopu wytchnieniowego, ale nikt nie oferuje systemowego wsparcia psychologicznego i psychiatrycznego. Do tego dochodzą ceny leków (nierefundowanych, jeśli nie jest się ubezpieczonym). 
Od wielu lat wiele osób w Polsce wykonuje prace opiekuńcze (nad osobami starszymi, dziećmi, niepełnosprawnymi) za darmo i takie osoby są często niewidzialne dla aparatu państwa. To raczej nie jest przypadek. Brakuje miejsc w instytucjach opiekuńczych (żłobkach, przedszkolach - tutaj sytuacja może się zmieniać, bo mamy ujemny przyrost naturalny, i domach opiekuńczych dla osób starszych - mamy starzejące się społeczeństwo, więc tu może być tylko gorzej), więc ludzie są zdani na siebie. Pracują od 9-17 by potem od 17-9 pracować nieodpłatnie. Państwo powinno we własnym interesie zadbać lepiej o niesamodzielnych i ich opiekunów, ale tego nie robi. 
Poanon1547754019ją trochę NGOsy a w niektórych miejscach istnieją jeszcze jakieś spontanicznie tworzone systemy samopomocy sąsiedzkiej i koleżeńskiej, ale to powoli zanika. 
Solidarność społeczna zanika. 
Społeczeństwo się polaryzuje, indywidualizuje i starzeje. W obecnych okolicznościach politycznych dochodzi jeszcze do tego utrata zaufania do jego instytucji (demontaż sądownictwa i modelu prawnego, ciągle konflikty na styku trójpodziału władzy, demontaż systemu checks and balances, degeneracja debaty i przestrzeni publicznej i zamykanie się we własnych bańkach). Państwo się bogaci (średnio statystycznie), ludzie się bogacą (średnio statystycznie), ale ludziom nie żyje się lepiej. 
Na koniec napiszę jeszcze, że moi rodzice (rocznik 45 i 47) mieli stopę zastąpienia przy emeryturze rzędu 80%. Ja mam mieć może 30-40%. 
Wielu ludzi w moim wieku z mojej bańki (około 30tki) nie ma stabilnej pracy, nie ma własnego mieszkania, nie ma perspektyw. Ma za to specyficzną wrażliwość i poczucie, że państwo zawiodło."
1,69352,2020-01-25T08:24:46.584Z,12514,0,10,9,6,0,0,47.0,69352,anon2055251435,anon2055251435,"**We don't seem to discuss retirement much with others. How much do you think about your own retirement? What do you think about? And what do you avoid thinking about?**

I think about it a lot. I started 'really' working late (paid salary that contributes towards social security) and I expect to have very poor funds by the time I retire. I have always been very active in the circles where I operate, but have not thought about retirement until I got my first official salary and started making estimations for the future. I might either never retire or I might need to invent a way to live a very modest life in my old age. 

**How about work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again?**

I don't like doing work that I don't believe in. Everything I do now (research, traveling, designing and writing) I hope to continue doing for as long as I can think. 

**Great, now that you've chosen what stays and what to leave behind - start to imagine your future self. The 'dream you'. How do you get there? Which new skills and what knowledge do you want to acquire?**

I need to make better use of what I have done so far. For example, invest my savings in something that would raise its value without me doing work. I know this is a purely capitalist thought but I feel that in order to continue working on things I really like, I need financial security that does not depend on selling my ideas on the actual market

**Imagine your housing situation and the people around you (or their absence). Who are you surrounded by in your retirement?<br />Where and how would you like to live?**

I hope to live with my partner and see my children often. I hope that we will often be many in my home or in any of their homes. 

**If you know people who have retired, was there something to learn from their experience and approach? Could you share their impressions?**

When my parents retired they were never as busy. My father could finally do only things he likes without distractions from paid work (e.g. teaching). I hope to get the chance to live that. 

**How do you imagine sustaining yourself financially? Maybe you have a plan, a tip, or an idea, that you would like to share?**

I save money. I hope to buy a place to live in my retirement and have enough funds to live off. Ideally, I would have a nice retirement monthly income. If this fails (ver likely) I need to build securities elsewhere (owning property, investing etc) 



**name:** Jazoza
**age:** 39"
1,68450,2020-01-09T10:17:39.528Z,12359,0,9,8,8,0,0,41.8,68450,anon2106090029,anon2106090029,"**Zdi se, da se o upokojitvi z drugimi ne pogovarjamo dosti. Kako pogosto razmišljate o lastni upokojitvi? O čem razmišljate? In o čem neradi razmišljate?**

Ne razmišlja prav pogosto o tem.

**Kaj pa delo, hobiji, družinsko življenje, prosti čas, sprostitev… Katere aktivnosti iz vašega sedanjega življenja želite početi še naprej? Katerih stvari si ne želite početi nikoli več?**

Need bombarded potential spreminjal naval in dejavnosti

**Odlično, zdaj ko ste se odločili kaj ostane in kaj boste pustili za sabo, si začnite predstavljati samega sebe v prihodnosti. Vaš ‘sanjski jaz’. Kako lahko pridete do tja? Katere nove sposobnosti in anon3213561856era nova znanja želite pridobiti?**

Zenkrat nimam posebnih želja

**Predstavljajte si vašo stanovanjsko situacijo in ljudi, ki vas obkrožajo (ali njihovo odsotnost). S kom boste obkroženi po upokojitvi? Kje in kako si želite živeti?**

Doma.. na podeželju

**Če poznate koga, ki se je že upokojil, ste se iz njihovih izkušenj in pristopa lahko kaj naučili? Lahko delite svoje vtise?**

Ne

**Kako si predstavljate, da se boste finančno vzdrževali? Morda že imate načrt, nasvet, ali idejo, ki bi jo želeli deliti?**

Žal news, me pa skrbi....



**name:** Mitja
**age:** 59"
1,67951,2019-12-27T08:53:28.379Z,12264,0,11,10,9,0,0,62.2,67951,anon2343193025,anon2343193025,"**We don't seem to discuss retirement much with others. How much do you think about your own retirement? What do you think about? And what do you avoid thinking about?**

Living in a peaceful environment, out of stress, where I can explore and explode my hobbies and potential and live in balance with the nature, rediscover where do I come from. I avoid to think about how the society and we all will become and end for the next years, all I see is dark.

**How about work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again?**

Family life, explore creativity, discover new things. I would never do again stuff for others that doesn’t sum up at all.

**Great, now that you've chosen what stays and what to leave behind - start to imagine your future self. The 'dream you'. How do you get there? Which new skills and what knowledge do you want to acquire?**

I want to know more about myself, how we are connected to this world and how we came to a point that eventually we loose our path.

**Imagine your housing situation and the people around you (or their absence). Who are you surrounded by in your retirement?<br />Where and how would you like to live?**

I want to live with my loved ones, the people who is in my heart, embrace all the small moments and don’t look back.

**If you know people who have retired, was there something to learn from their experience and approach? Could you share their impressions?**

They usually tell me about their regrets, how life happened so fast that they missed few things along this long path and now they are rediscovering them again full of joy.

**How do you imagine sustaining yourself financially? Maybe you have a plan, a tip, or an idea, that you would like to share?**

I have no idea so far how I could do this, no plans so far.



**name:** Marcos
**age:** 35"
1,64747,2019-11-19T18:29:30.337Z,11655,0,10,9,4,0,0,22.0,64747,anon2253655478,anon2253655478,"**We don't seem to discuss retirement much with others. How much do you think about your own retirement? What do you think about? And what do you avoid thinking about?**

I think about it as a part of my life where I will not have to think about the future much

**How about work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again?**

I would probably have more hobbies as i would have more time, and more time for my family and friends as well. I wouldn’t remove anything from my current life.

**Great, now that you've chosen what stays and what to leave behind - start to imagine your future self. The 'dream you'. How do you get there? Which new skills and what knowledge do you want to acquire?**

For me it is more of an emotional stage, where I would like to be proud of the story I have lived so far, and I am trying my best to make it beautiful.

**Imagine your housing situation and the people around you (or their absence). Who are you surrounded by in your retirement?<br />Where and how would you like to live?**

More of my friends, family, and more nature and animals.

I would like to live on an island in a house with a garden.

**If you know people who have retired, was there something to learn from their experience and approach? Could you share their impressions?**

I think retirement is like a new project of life, where you restructure your whole life and perspective. I have seen some people taking it as a kind of an end and mostly doing nothing, I would like to be active in my retirement.

**How do you imagine sustaining yourself financially? Maybe you have a plan, a tip, or an idea, that you would like to share?**

Hopefully a good pension, maybe buy a house and rent it out as a second income.



**name:** Duygu
**age:** 32"
1,67283,2019-12-10T22:06:50.107Z,12151,0,9,8,6,0,0,46.8,67283,anon2389767065,anon2389767065,"**We don't seem to discuss retirement much with others. How much do you think about your own retirement? What do you think about? And what do you avoid thinking about?**

I wouldn't go that far; I've discussed this with peers and friends — partially to plan financially; but also to plan “what to do.”  The great fear that has been expressed is “the void” of having nothing to do.} 

**How about work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again?**

This question is more about capability than interests — I've been cultivating each of my “spaces“; {work, home; third} to be capable in challenging “the void”; my hobbies overlap my work where I do design work for my home and I relish each of my “third spaces” where I meet with fine gentleman at varying stages of life and can share my adventures with their own sense of doing.  

**Great, now that you've chosen what stays and what to leave behind - start to imagine your future self. The 'dream you'. How do you get there? Which new skills and what knowledge do you want to acquire?**

This is all about doing not reading :) —for most of my hobbies I do this as a rule, where I deep I've into the topic but also practically try things out.  As I have mentioned to my friends, there is a huge difference from being a crew member on a sailboat to single handing it effectively, a current goal.

**Imagine your housing situation and the people around you (or their absence). Who are you surrounded by in your retirement?<br />Where and how would you like to live?**

To date, unless situation dictates, I do not see a change in geography nor accommodation. I've engineered to be close to three spaces right now, the absence of one, work, doesn't preclude altering this.

**If you know people who have retired, was there something to learn from their experience and approach? Could you share their impressions?**

There is, from some of the successful retirees I have learned the value in doing; and the value in having the relationships outside work.

**How do you imagine sustaining yourself financially? Maybe you have a plan, a tip, or an idea, that you would like to share?**

This is based on two books, Jacob Lund Fiskar's EER and The Essential Retirement Guide: A Contrarian's Perspective Hardcover – by Frederick Vettese 



**name:** Emile
**age:** 47"
1,64579,2019-11-18T20:05:12.089Z,11621,0,12,11,10,0,0,67.4,64579,anon4001120234,anon4001120234,"**We don't seem to discuss retirement much with others. How much do you think about your own retirement? What do you think about? And what do you avoid thinking about?**

I see parents and colleagues retire and how they manage. I see struggle but also joy. Trying to be financially stable for high age is one aspect but also questioning if the social network will be strong enough to hold me later

**How about work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again?**

I hope to keep my international friendships alive and being able to travel a lot. I hope to be able to share experience and knowledge and help younger generations and people living in less priviliged circumstances 

**Great, now that you've chosen what stays and what to leave behind - start to imagine your future self. The 'dream you'. How do you get there? Which new skills and what knowledge do you want to acquire?**

I want to enhence my social skills and grow my network.


**Imagine your housing situation and the people around you (or their absence). Who are you surrounded by in your retirement?<br />Where and how would you like to live?**

As right now, in the future i hope to live in an creative environment being able to make things in an workshop. I hope to be in touch with my friends face to face or via technology. Hopefully access to nature is possible. A kind of flat share with like minded people would be fun, I guess. 

**If you know people who have retired, was there something to learn from their experience and approach? Could you share their impressions?**

Some of my retired friends play with me in a brass band once a week. They do this for decades and it has become an anchor point in hard times, when illness or loss of loved ones hit their lives. Being active despite high age is helping to stay mentally fit and enhences health.

**How do you imagine sustaining yourself financially? Maybe you have a plan, a tip, or an idea, that you would like to share?**

Don't underestimate the value of your work. Don't sell yourself cheap! Actively ask for a fair share, don't wait for others to offer you a pay rise, be decent but know your worth.



**name:** Thomas
**age:** 38"
1,69123,2020-01-21T17:11:46.641Z,12477,0,13,12,7,0,0,52.6,69123,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"
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Tak jsme se sešli poprvé osobně. A bylo to super! 

Na závěr minulého roku uspořádal @anon4062071924 osobní setkání členů naší online komunity v Praze. V tom se mu snažil pomoct @anon3353600255 a kromě toho ještě přicestovala dokonce ze zahraničí @anon

Cílem celé akce bylo pokusit se navázat na debatu z našeho online fóra, konkrétní témata, se kterými naši přispěvatelé do komunity přišly, ale i pokusit se zhodnotit, co nám vlastně členství ve fóru přineslo a co nám může přinést dál.

@anon4062071924  dostal naprosto skvělý nápad, když jednotlivé příspěvky a na ně navázující diskuze doslova materializoval. Vytištěnými verzemi našeho fóra oblepená místnost se tak stala trojrozměrnou manifestací našeho vlastního online prostoru, kterým jsme v tuhle chvíli nikoliv pouze metaforicky doslova obklopili!

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Rovnou tak zároveň bylo znát, které záležitosti rozpoutaly delší a hlubší debatu. Na to jsme se současně snažili navázat tím, že se všichni účastnící měli možnost blíž seznámit se vším, co se na fóru během prvního půl roku jeho existence událo.

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Vcelku jsme se v naší živé a naprosto otevřené diuskuzu dostali rychle k tomu, jak spolu dnes lidi komunikují, co nám online sféra přináší a bere, a jakým způsobem co nejlépe dospět k variantě, o níž nám na platformě  Edgeryders/Wellbeingu jde. O tom se trochu šířeji rozpovídala @anon

@anon3283497599 tak přišel vlastně úplně ze začátku a na základě vlastního příběhu s tím, nakolik se člověk potřebuje vyjádřit, vyprávět ostatním lidem a k čemu mu to samotnému je. Jedná se přece jen o určitou formu autoterapie (pokud to pro člověka takto funguje). @anon1509586794 pak nadnesla téma toho, jakým způsobem se taková debata vlastně může odehrávat, pokud to prostředí musí být v základu trochu anarchické, abychom se mohli vyjadřovat svobodně. Jak nastavit pravidla? Kam položit hranici mezi svobodou slova a ochranou nás samotných před bezmezným hejtováním?

Wellbeing se největším extrémům teoreticky vyhýbá, tím, že se snaží přicházet s problémy běžného života a přinášet konstruktivní řešení od samotných uživatelů, kteří své problémy sdílí, alespoň tak se ho stručně snažili charakterizovat @anon3353600255 a @anon4062071924. Víceméně jsem se všichni shodli na tom, že alternativa k Facebooku, který sice hejt banuje (i když někdy systém úplně nezafunguje, jak podotkl z vlastní zkušenosti  @anon3283497599), ale zároveň z něj svým způsobem žije, se hledá těžko.
V tomhle ohledu je zajímavým poznatkem, který přinesly (i díky zkušenosti s mateřštvím) @anon737783819 a @anon1031114025 a to že na obdobném principu a poměrně bez hejtování funguje český Mimibazar, kam vlastně mužský segment uživatelů internetu příliš nezavítá.

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Nicméně jsme nezůstali pouze u obecných pravidel, přešli jsme poměrně záhy ke konkrétním návrhům, co jako ""matky a otcové zakladatelé"" musíme dát takovéto otevřené platformě do vínku. Po chvíli bylo jasné, že hlavní definující body vychází i z toho, co třeba některým u našeho Blahobytu v Česku nebylo zcela jasné.

- O co se komunita snaží a čemu příspěvky pomůžou
- Koho a proč by měla zajímat
- Jaká jsou pravidla, kdo a jak dohlíží na jejich dodržování
- Co se s těmi příspěvky vlastně děje

Ostatně výsledek našeho brainstormingu můžete posoudit sami:
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Obzvláště po nedávných aférách Googlu a Facebooku je znát, že si lidé začínají uvědomovat hodnotu a zneužitelnost informací, které přes nejrůznější avatary a profily pouští do online prostoru. Je fakt, jak zmiňovala @anon1509586794, že si prostě musíme začít dávat na tyhle věci pozor, jinak tyhle metahodnoty v online sféře nikdy nezměníme. A když otevřená komunita, tak úplně. Žádné aktéry (politické, korporace) nemůžeme poměřovat jako černobílé. Ať z hlediska zacházení s informacemi, či omezování přístupu k nim, což potrvdil i @anon879431432   

Odpověď na kardinální otázku, jak namotivovat ke sdílení názorů nové členy (a co vlastně motivovalo ty, kteří se s námi v tomto momentě v Crossu sešli), byla poměrně jednoznačná - hledáme názory a zkušenosti těch, kteří vědí něco, co nás může obohatit a nebojí se to v rozumné podobě sdílet. Pokud patříte mezi ně, tak rychle sem! 

Budeme se na vás těšit!"
1,69487,2020-01-28T09:56:10.852Z,12546,0,16,15,35,0,0,208.2,69487,anon1531708603,anon1531708603,"<image here> 
 

Zdravo svima. Moje ime je Danica Laćarac. Arhitekta sam po struci i poslednjih 5 godina fokusirana sam na temu razvoja zelenih gradova, ili najšire rečeno povezanon598341349ju čoveka i prirode u gradu. Od maja 2018.godine vodim i Nacionalnu Asocijaciju Zelenih Krovova Srbije, od kada intenzivno radim na edukaciji svih relevantnih aktera u ovoj oblasti. Do samog razvoja Asocijacije došla sam kroz saradnju na jednom predivnom projektu pod nazivom Zeleni koncept stanovanja, koji je početkom 2019.godine u potpunosti i realizovan u okviru stambenog objekta izgrađenog u Novom Sadu. 
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Zeleni koncept stanovanja predstavlja direktan odgovor na najveće sistemske nedostatke sa kojima se u gradu susrećemo poput: neuređenog sistema primarne selekcije otpada, izuzetne zagađenosti vazduha i sve češće poplavljenih ulica. Kroz primenu zelenog koncepta stanovanja objeanon3213561856 sadrži punkt za selekciju otpada, gde stanari odvajaju određene sirovine koje zatim privatne firme odnose na reciklažu a stanarima na račun uplaćuju i materijalnu nadoknadu. Zatim su u objektu implementirane i zelene terase sa automatskim zalivnim sistemom i prethodno posađenim biljkama kako bi se formirala zelena barijera između ulice i unutrašnjosti objekta, kao i zeleni krov na samom vrhu objekta, oaza tj zajedničko dvorište za sve stanare. Zeleni krovovi su potpuno poseban segment vredan dodatne analize i pojašnjenja. 
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Za sada toliko, sa novom prilikom volela bih i da proširimo svaku od započetih tema.

Srdačan pozdrav!"
2,69574,2020-01-29T09:31:04.631Z,12546,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,69487,anon2446385507,anon1531708603,"Zdravo @anon1531708603, lepo je upoznati vas! Dobrodošli na platformu Edgeryders i ovu zajednicu. Kako ste saznali za to?

Neki od nas vode projeanon3213561856 u Briselu pod nazivom [The Reef](http://thereef.brussels) - da istražimo zeleni urbani život. Bilo bi nam veoma interesantno da saznamo kako ste to ostvarili u Novom Sadu: na primer ko je uložio u objeanon3213561856 i koja je uloga Udruženja u izgradnji / upravljanju objektom? Da li se svi stanovi sada prodaju?

Ako imate druge projekte u toku ili tražite evropske partnere ili možda organizujete razmenu, možda će nas zainteresovati tim Reef-a!
Hvala vam,"
3,69575,2020-01-29T09:57:09.474Z,12546,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,69574,anon1531708603,anon2446385507,"Zdravo @anon2446385507, hvala na lepim rečima dobrodošlice!
Dobila sam preporuku od prijatelja da se prijavim na platformu.
Zvuči sjajno istražiti potencijal zelenog urbanog života i potpuno u saglasnosti sa onim čime se mi bavimo. Što se tiče projekta Zeleni koncept stanovanja imali smo sreću da sarađujemo sa privatnim investitorom koji je kompletan koncept implementirao na svom stambenom objektu, bez da je to na kraju uticalo na cenu kvadrata stana. Stanovi su prodati rekordnom brzinom, a ono što mene najviše raduje je činjenica da su ljudi postali svesni mogućnosti višeg kvaliteta i da dolaze kod njih i dalje tražeći upravo ove dodatne vrednosti. Asocijacija organizuje različite događaje na zelenom krovu i aktivno radi na širenju ideje na kompletnu teritoriju grada, tj na uključanon598341349ju i drugih investitora u ovakav tip implementacije. Pored toga fokusirani smo na predloge izmena gradskih regulativa kako bi se ovakva vrsta rešenja promovisala i podržala i od strane grada.
Nakon prvih 18 meseci spremni smo na saradnju na većim evropskim projektima, te bih itekako volela da čujem više o Vašem projektu u kontekstu potencijalne saradnje.

Radujem se novim informacijama.

Srdačan pozdrav,
Danica"
4,69582,2020-01-29T10:58:52.555Z,12546,1,11,10,2,0,0,17.2,69575,anon3346229079,anon1531708603,"Zdravo i dobro dosla :slight_smile:

Izuzetna inicijativa, zivotna sredina itekako utice na kvalitet zivota svih nas. Pisao sam malo na temu principa ""vrati prirodi na neki nacin povrsinu koju si uzeo za gradnju"". Zeleni krovovi su odlican nacin za tako nesto.

Jeste li vi kao asocijacija istrazivali opcije micro farminga ili basti na krovovima? Stvaranje permaculture sistema na primjer?

Mislim da bi kroz pokazanon598341349je primjera dobre prakse iz svijeta mogli zainteresovati vise investitora. Postoje hoteli, restorani, fabrike, skladista, zgrade...mnogi objekti koji su krov iskoristili ne samo kao stvaranje parka u kom je lijepo i zdravo boraviti vec i za zaradu/poboljsanje imidza firme.

Ako napravite odrzive ili cak i profitabilne poslovne modele, ja mislim da bi otvorili mnoga vrata."
5,69594,2020-01-29T13:32:26.368Z,12546,1,11,10,2,0,0,17.2,69487,anon2614214130,anon1531708603,"Ja želim da vam se zahvalim što radite to. Kao neko ko živi na Novom Beogradu.... Mislim da vam je jasno. 
Iskreno bih volela da ovo postane trend. Jasno mi je da nisu svi osvešćeni tako da amatram da se promociji ovakvih trendova mora prići sa više strana. Sigurna sam da znate o čemu pričam i da imate iskustva sa tim.
Inače me jako zanima ova tema i vilela bih da razvijemo neku vrstu saradnje.
Pozdrav!"
6,69596,2020-01-29T14:02:28.853Z,12546,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,69582,anon1531708603,anon3346229079,"Hvala lepo na rečima podrške!
Slažem se da su zeleni krovovi jedan od vodećih modela koji bi u gradovima mogli da donesu neophodnu transformaciju.
Razvijamo model saradnje sa jednim privatnim vrtićem koji ima krovnu baštu i već sa mališanima aktivno rade i koriste te površine. Njihov primer je fenomenalan, iskreno se nadam da ćemo uskoro i jedan veći projeanon3213561856 započeti zajedno.

Srdačan pozdrav,

Danica"
7,69597,2020-01-29T14:06:01.734Z,12546,0,11,10,8,0,0,42.2,69594,anon1531708603,anon2614214130,"Draga Tamara,

Hvala Vam na rečima podrške. Novi Beograd bi mogao biti najveći, a sigurna sam i najefikasniji pilot projeanon3213561856 za Nature Based rešenja! 
Asocijacija je otvorena za sve koji na proaktanon598341349 način pristupaju ovoj temi, bez obzira na struku ili ugao posmatranja. Stoga, budite slobodni da me kontaktirate ukoliko biste voleli i da se povežemo na taj ili neki drugi način.

Srdačan pozdrav,

Danica"
8,69849,2020-02-04T17:10:50.733Z,12546,0,11,10,2,0,0,27.2,69487,anon1097276766,anon1531708603,"Pozdrav svima na ovom threadu, posebno Danici jer ostale poznajemo sa prve radionice.
Kao udruženje koje ima dvoje pejzažnih arhitekti i analitičara zaštite životne sredine, svi školovani u NS, nemoguće je da se ne priključimo ovoj priči. Mi smo za naš grad zacrtali viziju ekološke prestonice u budućnosti. (ne kao BG) :) I mislimo da postoji potencijal saradnje sa lokalnim donosiocima odluka kao i investitorima sa kojima bi mogli da kreiramo ovakvu vrstu projekta. Naravno potrebna je i malo mentorstva od nekog ko ima toliko iskustva koliko i vi. 
Čvrsto verujemo da se mora nastupati sa primerom dobre prakse za sve što radimo a naročito u polju Ekologije, tako da smo otvoreni za saradnju, naravno ukoliko nas želite :smiley:"
9,69873,2020-02-05T08:27:19.103Z,12546,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,69487,anon1531708603,anon1531708603,"Hej, Hej! Kakva energija! Radujem se da čujem sve detalje! Asocijacija je otvorena baš za takvu energiju tako da vam članstvo svakako stoji na raspolaganju! Hajde da organizujemo jedan sastanak, možemo i Skype ako ne dolazite u NS skoro, pišite mi pa se vidimo!"
10,70100,2020-02-11T14:09:23.573Z,12546,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,69873,anon1097276766,anon1531708603,"Mi se takođe radujemo novom poznanstvu i prilici da proširimo vidike i ideje, učeći iz Vašeg iskustva i primera. Poziv za sastanak prihvatamo sa zadovoljstvom, javite nam se kojim god putem Vam je najjednostavnije, pa se dogovaramo oko susreta! :slight_smile:

indjijativa@anon

Mladen 060 7651 576
Ljubica 065 538 2333"
11,70510,2020-02-24T15:31:27.144Z,12546,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,69487,anon2614214130,anon1531708603,"anon2649858692mi, Jasen i Tamara upravo otvaraju sampanjac :slight_smile:
Za nove konekcije :)"
12,76183,2020-05-11T05:26:24.975Z,12546,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,69487,anon3346229079,anon1531708603,"Sjetio sam se tebe gledajuci ovo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRySy3Qtvs

Istina da Novi Sad nema toliku potrebu kao Singapur da pravi takvu vrstu urbanih basti ali mozda ti svejedno da dobre ideje."
1,73096,2020-03-31T15:35:41.594Z,13050,1,34,33,37,0,0,271.8,73096,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"At Edgeryders, we set out to build a cluster of mutual support between people in our network during the corona crisis. The first step is to share experiences of coping with work in a very detailed way. We have about 10 ongoing discussions (see #covid19), 2+ community calls weekly, and hundreds of chatty comments and cat videos. The outcomes are:

* Learn how others are dealing with the sudden changes in their lives
* Get inspiration for new things to do and stay optimistic
* Clear asks for help and projects are matched with contributors and mentors who can offer support.

# If even the first point checks out, we could be succeeding, because this.is.one.of.those.times.

When work is brought to a halt, no one is lying on their back and waiting ex: for helicopter money, social security benefits. ‘We cannot rely on any help now’, says @anon1531708603 whose own personal challenges don’t stop her from wondering how to help others.. or @anon2468062034 telling us 'I lost all my payslips due to the corona virus. I'm lucky enough to have a security network around me that I don't have to care for rent. Overall I'm really anxious about the future. I will need to find another occupation'. 
Have you noticed that while everyone should be slowing down, it seems like many of us are pushing ourselves to do more, learn more, and get ahead of the curve? It must be exhausting, so:

# people, take three deep breaths in!

Now, how are we actually coping?

# 1. Personal learning plans. 
@anon
> I wrote a daily routine and I’m trying to stick with it, plus I made a plan with projects and things that I want to do in the next six weeks, after doing this I felt really good, self-discipline helps me usually. 

Knowing @anon3346229079  little, I am not surprised that his strategy is to accelerate, keep on networking, and even teach himself how to code (designing board games is at a stall right now):



# 2. Build new kinds of businesses. 
@anon

> we could investigate this opportunity to look for something else we could also do. Should we? And not just to “diversify business”, I really just wish this won’t be yet another wasted global crisis. But[ where to start?
](https://edgeryders.eu/t/coping-with-loss-of-work-a-postcard-from-yerevan/12952/)

In Brussels we have two major facebook groups (in Fr/ Nl languages) and already we see people propose cooperative structures to coordinate a corona relief fund with 1000eur/member from all their 2500 members. I’m curious if the way to build anew is to build from scratch?

# 3. Build connective platforms. 
The many technically skilled people in Edgeryders are trying out things for social good - @anon1440609301  attempt to set up local apps for easing access to food stores in the neighborhood; @anon2661411812 and @anon
# 4. Ask about the ways to go on the digital curve (especially from teachers and community workers). 

> If you’re in a rigid environment like universities, you have to find your way. We, the system, were not prepared for this challenge and had to design short-, medium- and long-term strategies right from last week, 

writes @anon3353600255. @anon

# 5. Turn expertise and passion into leadership. 

@anon
> Many people appreciate going to the office, where they can socialize with colleagues and work from a space that is physically and mentally separated from the home and the family. But there is no reason to dive into traffic: you can get the same things in a remote work-ready facility five minutes walking from your door. No more commuting! 

Others like @anon

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What am I missing? 
We are not talking a lot (or not here) about being a parent in this lockdown, but I’m pretty sure in so far as heroes go, parents are up there. Very funny twitter thread [#ParentingInAPandemic](https://twitter.com/hashtag/ParentingInAPandemic?src=hashtag_click)! We are also not talking about burnout of remote workers. There are already interesting [articles](https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200330-covid-19-how-to-learn-a-new-skill-in-coronavirus-quarantine) about that, and I would want to see what’s under. Anyone want to co-curate with me a series on this?

This was my personal summary about what we are learning from #covid19 loss of work. 

# How are you coping? 
Leave a comment below with your experience, or read more about the initiative and take your pick here: https://work.edgeryders.eu/ !"
2,73097,2020-03-31T15:35:53.657Z,13050,0,28,27,1,0,0,25.6,73096,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Here are some more great conversations to dive in!

* [Community support: food apps, digital payments and others](https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-did-we-discuss-during-the-covid19-community-response-call-1-what-will-we-do-next/12945)
* [Medical community resilience](https://edgeryders.eu/t/epistemic-resilience-of-the-medical-community-a-proposal-that-just-came-through/13013/)
* [Living in a co-housing in the time of pandemic aka instant neighborhood office](https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-reef-vs-lockdown-living-in-a-co-housing-space-in-a-time-of-pandemic/13023)
* [Coping with loss of work](https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-to-do-when-losing-work-during-covid19-community-calls-each-tuesday-noon/12886/)"
3,73279,2020-04-01T16:21:43.303Z,13050,2,23,22,1,1,0,49.6,73096,anon278000045,anon2446385507,"Hello @anon2446385507, missed both calles this week and last week, but getting back in some rythme again now. 

Will try to share here a bit how it went through my head the last three weeks.

So i have a business called Fermenthings, a space dedicated to everything fermented that changed it's concept 9 months ago from a shop to a more versatile space, after my associate left. In the last 9 months i build it up again with a peak in activity the last 2-3 months. On the program where quasi full workshops every week, a brunch every week for around 40 people, catering gigs for European commision, flemish governement and steps towards investing in a production facility and test kitchen. 

March would have been the first big month with a possibility of 100% payment, and it was looking as i could have been hiring maybe in the next two to four months. 

But then Corona struck and 95% of my activity just stopped in a fraction of a second. It took me about two weeks just to digest this complete stop of a vehicle i was pushing for the last couple of months, hoping that it would gain speed and traction. 

Last week i decided to pick up the activity step by step by offering [confinement packs](https://www.fermenthings.be/confinement-survival-pack/) with the products from the shop, this to keep me busy and to be able to do two things: 

1. pay my loan back
2. pay rent (even if i hope CPAS could do a gesture) 
3. Offer products from other producers that also see their business go to a complete stop

It worked, in the last two weeks i sold around 96 packs and have been able to order from different local producers and at least give the stock a good turnover again. 

But i still feel a frustration, one that is that i don't know what to do, because i don't know when and how things will be get going again. Do i just sit it out, and polish the edges of what i was doing, do i start producing my own stuff (a project that i wanted to start at the end of the year) , do i rethink my business? Many questions, and many of those that i think a lot of small projects are feeling at the moment. 

And all of this is just on a personal level, i'm haunted with questions on how this whole crisis can or can't be a vector in sociatal change. I'm a hopefull person, but my mind is wondering between light and dark places all the time, because all this is new, fresh and not yet graspable. My hope is to find more rest in my head in the next couple of days/ week to be able to tackle the big challenges over the small ones. 


[quote=""anon2446385507, post:1, topic:13050""]
In Brussels we have two major facebook groups (in Fr/ Nl languages) and already we see people propose cooperative structures to coordinate a corona relief fund with 1000eur/member from all their 2500 members. I’m curious if the way to build anew is to build from scratch?
[/quote]

 Yeah i'm loving that idea, i hope Yolan will go through with the idea."
4,73327,2020-04-02T07:00:12.083Z,13050,0,17,16,1,0,0,23.4,73279,anon2446385507,anon278000045,"I think you moved pretty fast in recalibrating your stock, well done. Hoping you can take stock of your ability to troubleshoot, it's so impressive! 

With respect to food production and new models,  my hope is that this crisis will make people be more aware of how they consume and the source of their food, because there's also the hidden link between what's happening - the destruction of natural habitats and the monocultures created in the agricultural and industrial production (this is @anon
I see an opportunity for people like you and now me and Winnie and others who want to build businesses localising quality sources of food and services. 

Others who are running physical events for making a living or activism - how are you coping?
Are you waiting for things to come back to a new 'normal' or are you changing strategy? @anon"
5,74277,2020-04-14T09:02:49.110Z,13050,1,17,16,1,0,0,28.4,73279,anon2446385507,anon278000045,"Cooperative food production could be an interesting avenue - we have urban community gardens, but we could also make cooperative fermentation? This is something I would actually get involved in, over the next years.. Was inspired by this:

https://civileats.com/2020/04/02/the-moment-for-food-sovereignty-is-now/"
6,74286,2020-04-14T09:55:26.888Z,13050,1,16,15,1,0,0,43.2,73096,anon4143927072,anon2446385507,"Hello all - I'm Sally from the UK. I work at a University so.times.since.lock down have been busy due to.move of teaching, learning and assessment online and the associated training to get everyone up to speed. I've always had an interest in food sovereignty and a radar for available land but it seems that here in the UK at least there has been a resurgence of the wartime 'dig for victory' attitude. I see this as a good thing but not if it leads.to the perpetuation of the kinds of inequalities that already exist Many urban dwellers have no access to a garden and this is one problem highlighted by this challenge that 'd like to explore how we can address. <image here> 
"
7,74414,2020-04-15T14:33:06.739Z,13050,1,15,14,1,0,0,28.0,74277,anon278000045,anon2446385507,"Hey anon2649858692mi, i'm in a loop discussing with other brussels based producers on how to share logistics and sales for ""non-essential"" food (meaning transformed products) , do you want to be put into it?"
8,74478,2020-04-16T11:54:03.885Z,13050,0,16,15,1,0,0,8.2,74286,anon2446385507,anon4143927072,"Hi @anon4143927072 you are the second person in our community calls and coping series who tells us they are looking somehow in this direction - of buying land, or be outside of the city. @anon2468062034 mentioned the same a few weeks back.
 
I had promised you the closest thing to a directory of community places - we built this list last year as we were researching for The Reef (co-living and co-working project in Brussels). Maybe some resources there would be interesting for you? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/networking-for-green-and-communal-living/10214 

Among others, @anon2394571021 is living in an intentional community in rural Germany, if you want to ask him more.
I also wrote about this initiative outside of Berlin a few years back - they own land together but do not actually live there permanently:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/wir-bauen-zukunft-learning-from-a-community-with-3-kinds-of-showers/7127"
9,74685,2020-04-21T06:47:43.774Z,13050,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,73096,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"Reminder about the call at 12:00 today :slight_smile:  http://bit.ly/coronawork

![Copy%20of%20how%20are%20you%20coping%20with%20loss%20of%20work_%20(3)|487x690](upload://y5rRY1lTs9zXLJM58PVuKqCujmr.png)"
10,74686,2020-04-21T07:09:22.467Z,13050,0,10,9,0,0,0,2.0,74685,anon781457888,anon781457888,"Also another flyer if anyone feels like sharing/inviting others. Thank you @anon
<br>
![Copy%20of%20how%20are%20you%20coping%20with%20loss%20of%20work_%20(5)|487x690](upload://o0lOR8Hjh8286pn792SjvtWKmD1.png)"
11,74808,2020-04-22T06:09:36.035Z,13050,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,73096,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"Perhaps it could be good to have some materials as a point of departure for the discussion/focus of the next call? 

""Productivity, or the lack of it, has become the individual metric of choice for coping with the international econo-pathological clusterfuck of the Corona Crisis. How should we self-optimize when we’re suddenly having to meet our deadlines with our roommates, kids, and inner critics screaming in the background? If we’re lucky enough to be able to shelter in place and we’re not using that time to launch podcasts and personal projects and life-hack our way to some cargo-cult pastiche of normality, are we somehow letting the side down?""

I found this: https://www.wired.com/story/question-productivity-coronavirus

Maybe others have more articles that you have come across?"
12,74971,2020-04-24T08:48:28.061Z,13050,1,8,7,1,0,0,41.6,74414,anon2446385507,anon278000045,"Not to scare you too much.. I find this read heartbreaking, but also strangely comforting because of the connection with probably so many others out there:

'„I, like hundreds of other chefs across the city and thousands around the country, are now staring down the question of what our restaurants, our careers, our lives, might look like if we can even get them back.
I don’t know whom to follow or what to think. Everyone says: “You should do to-go! You should sell gift cards! You should offer delivery! You need a social media presence! You should pivot to groceries!'

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/anon1547754019zine/closing-prune-restaurant-covid.html?fbclid=IwAR0ML2v8itQ3HAttOTefugjOzPO8TdkxWvAE6u6eZeqRwtQjvVd_wwcWnoE"
13,75110,2020-04-26T23:53:35.725Z,13050,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,74971,anon1659154220,anon2446385507,And no quick or easy answers for any of it.  None of us know what the world is going to be line a year from now.
1,73928,2020-04-07T15:22:12.140Z,13166,0,24,23,27,0,0,184.8,73928,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"*This is a wiki summary of one of our community calls. Anyone can edit it and make corrections!* *Attended: @anon95046639 @anon

Maria: most of her plans for this year have been changed. With the Design University in Stockholm we have moved a workshop online and we are going to make a film project where students contribute their own snippets. We are going to search material representations of connections.

Olivier: Doing an online course, and trying to to manage his time between calls and ebinars everywhere. He's unemployed, and wants to help people to improve their French. 

Danica: An architect focused on green cities and urban nature. 'This new situation has cut all of our funding. I'm thinking of not stopping, maybe deliver a podcast or similar, that can go online, so we can continue to share the knowledge.' Has an improvised studio in the apartment, so can start.

> **This whole thing is going to force forward people's approaches in everyday life. We will recollect our actions and maybe change something tomorrow**

Danica's association is part of a European Federation in 15 countries leading in green cities, and there is a lot of valuable information and experiences that we all share. 
> **I wanted to collect all and bring it to Serbia too. We are very very far from being a green city in Novi Sad, but the awareness of the people is starting to get higher. That's why I want to continue with my actions.**

anon2649858692mi: proposed to think about urban greening together with the Edgeryders and Reef network - we would love to get new partners and see for example: what, if anything, from the [Green Urban Living](https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-future-of-ecological-urban-living/12097) repository created end of 2019 can be a topic for a podcast? 

Enzio: arrived 7 months ago in Japan at the Goethe Institute, before he worked in Sofia and Munich for a long time, also for Goethe. Many of his colleagues now have to learn how to teach the same things, but online (video, stage design,..), and struggling, especially those who are older. 

In Kyoto the Goethe Institute run an artist residence:

> **what to do here in a residence without residents? how to develop new ideas if you dont have the target group, the guests.. The challenge for his team of 6 is: what should we do instead? It's an inner crisis. Maybe we can find out some new methods to rethink the concept of a residency**

It's not clear how the Japanese groups will cope with this challenge - without an audience, without a job. It's the kind of work defining your personality. Japan takes a lot of time to think and develop new things.

> **There are many challenges inside the institutions and personalities in culture. For example in Japan there is not much structure of independence, they invest 10% of what Germany invests in culture. It will be good this year to remove the masks at least online, to exchange about how others cope with this challenge**

'I feel alienated', one of us said. This cultural shock is alienating. We are all 'forced to force ideas forward'.. It's an important step forward to try to search for other experiences with online means.

[anon2649858692mi note: notice this gap - someone said something personal, but it's hard to continue because the personal is tied to the professional, so it becomes a conversation about 'our kind']

# What would be innovation in culture? 

* **Build networks of artists and practitioners** who understand and know how to make use of support, and engage in constant ways of rethinking work (especially people between 20-40yrs). Example: Cultural Innovators Network, in particular in the Mediterranean area. For individuals - important to learn how to make use of networks and connections and don't expect the institutional environments to come up with resources, because the way they work is not compatible. Everyone minds their own business in a way.. 
* **Go beyond the high level art**, understand how to the social community work is connected to artistic production, how the needs of the city can connect with culture.
* **Figure out how to embed the online: ex- how to put together an online residency.** There's a big gap between European/Japanese way of organising, but is there a chance to make this visible, experience-able online? Of course, it would never be the aim to make all cultural activities online. We will always long for direct, analogue contact.
* **If it's digital it's free -** wrong. How to find ways for artists to put their work online to an extent? Or to even work online and use more affordable, open source tools?

# Next steps: 

1) Which of these aspects would you like to see discussed at length in a curated session/ webinar? We are making a wishlist [here!](https://edgeryders.eu/t/webinar-community-call-schedule-proposals-wishlist/13044)
2) How are you coping with loss of work? Fill out this [15 min survey](https://ercommunity.typeform.com/to/XQD9qo) and we'll create the story to help you connect faster with the network :slight_smile:
3) Join our regular calls each Tuesday at 12pm Brussels timezone: http://bit.ly/coronawork"
2,73939,2020-04-07T16:24:59.445Z,13166,1,17,16,2,0,0,18.4,73928,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"This conversation and the tensions described make me think of @anon1085691282.
What are you seeing happening in your networks Bob?

@anon

PS hope you are doing well!!"
3,74095,2020-04-09T12:34:24.991Z,13166,2,13,12,1,0,0,77.6,73939,anon1085691282,anon2446385507,"Hi @anon2446385507. Sorry I haven't been very active in this discussion, although I have been thinking a great deal about the role of culture in our current COVID-19 dominated society, and particularly the implications post COVID. My view is that the other side of the coronavirus epidemic will be very different to the world we left behind at the start of 2020. Many people will have lost their lives. Many more will be grieving or wounded or scared. Many jobs and livelihoods will be gone, along with businesses, charities and cultural organisations.  Certain former dreams of people working in the cultural sector may be irrelevant or impossible to deliver because they were built on foundations that can no longer support them. 
The pandemic may mark a boundary between certain older institutions, support systems, roles and relationships, and new ways forward that are likely to be quite different. From my perspective, the role of culture (broadly defined) and the arts (also broadly defined) will be central to the discovery of a livable answer. Through culture, experiences and viewpoints are exchanged; we understand difference and tolerate opposition. Culture is the space where we meet and learn to live together, Culture may be one of those keys to recovery and the values that will shape the next chapter of our history. We now need fresh thinking about that new chapter.
You ask what I am seeing happening in the cultural networks of which I am a part. There is a lot of thinking going on, and some practical initiatives too. I have compiled a document that summarises some of the actions of a few of the main European cultural networks. This is developing all the time, but here is an outline of what I am aware of. 
[Cultural Neworks and Initiatives Related to the COVID-19 Pandemic .pdf|attachment](upload://qfQKnT4ZuRKsLE7zt8Pq9Ou5olb.pdf) (1.8 MB) 
Please include me in any reflections or actions in the cultural or artistic spheres linked to Edgeryders if I can add value or offer support. I'd be please to do that."
4,74108,2020-04-09T13:41:45.345Z,13166,0,11,10,1,1,0,22.2,74095,anon2867672406,anon1085691282,"[quote=""anon1085691282, post:3, topic:13166""]
My view is that the other side of the coronavirus epidemic will be very different to the world we left behind at the start of 2020.
[/quote]

Yes, there is starting to be a consensus on that. Both you and I remember pre-AIDS times: again, when people stopped dropping dead, they did not go back to the swinging 1980s. Safer sex culture emerged as a way to manage risks. Our new normal (protected sex, exchange of STD tests results when you meet someone) would have looked weird, anxiety-inducing, even alien in 1979. ""Surely we can't live like that!"" But we do. Maybe we will never again greet people with a kiss on the cheek or a handshake, unless we are intimate with them and know their epidemiological history. Maybe the crowded clubs of Berlin are gone forever. We will see. 

This is a new world now."
5,74908,2020-04-23T07:27:51.512Z,13166,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,74095,anon2446385507,anon1085691282,"@anon1085691282 thank you! Other than the ECF's Culture for Solidarity call, I don't know of initiatives to actually fund activities that happen in this hiatus period, or come up with mitigating strategies. When I read about the initiatives you listed I thought to myself: it's coping strategies.. and understandable under the constraints.
In our own Trust in Play game design project things are shifting but it's an internal struggle, rather than following leadership from the EC. @anon

@anon

PS Since you asked in another thread, Bob, we are doing well within the circumstances - if anything Edgeryders should be less affected in the normal day to day operations because our main work is online conversations and sharing. That is, until we saw our channels jeopardized by [illicit behaviors of hackers and infranon3589994963ments.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/announcement-edgeryders-is-leaving-zoom-effective-immediately/13275/) We now see a moment to reinforce our protective measures to make the online environments safe for conversations."
7,74964,2020-04-24T07:31:44.644Z,13166,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,74919,anon2446385507,,"@anon

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/4-zoom-security-settings-to-change-now-to-prevent-zoombombing/


We dropped out and advise others to do the same, but of course it's understandable that options are not accessible to many organisations. Edgeryders thrives when always new people join the conversation - but that is exactly the danger with using software like this. You will approve of an email address that is new and looks normal, but you don't know who is behind it.
 
I think if you organise meetings with people you know and you implement the security settings i.e. the waiting room where the host approves every participant - you should be better off than we.. Good luck!"
1,71715,2020-03-19T08:22:25.310Z,12886,0,41,40,76,0,0,478.2,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"[date=2020-03-31 time=12:00:00 timezone=""Europe/Stockholm"" timezones=""Europe/Brussels"" recurring=""7.weeks""]

**How has your work been affected and how has your day to day life changed? What tools have you used to cope? What help or resources do you need to deal with the situation? How have the lives of friends and family who work been affected (potentially in ways different from yours)?**

I am going to organise weekly calls in March/April to talk about this. For all of us who are staying home and worried about your work safety, income and opportunities in the future. Many people I know are feeling despair, and turn inwards.  What if we could just talk about it and see what others are doing?

* Rant!
* Share about situations in different countries
* Offer some thoughtful advice or resource to other people
* Connect people who could offer gigs and projects with others.
* Not judge, but listen.

**Do you want to participate? The calls happen each Tuesday at 12:00PM. Register at this link: http://bit.ly/coronawork**

I offer to facilitate the first ones. It would be helpful if you tell in advance what is your situation, and a question you have or want to ask others, so please leave a comment below.

For the issues which gather more responses and for which we see that are common between many people, we can host more specific themed calls.

If you have a project you are working on, let us know  - we are [finding and mobilizing mentors](https://edgeryders.eu/t/do-you-want-to-join-our-covid19-community-response-a-breakdown-of-edgeryders-activities-roles-tasks-and-workflows/12879) from all over to help with specific issues - so we'll match and make! 

See you on Tuesday?


P.S. Working Languages: En, Fr. If you speak only your native language, don’t worry! We will invite other facilitators who can translate.

Please share this call with others you know.


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""host"": ""https://now.edgeryders.eu/community"",
""info"": ""Our weekly call to discuss this topic!"" 
}
```"
2,71719,2020-03-19T08:44:21.854Z,12886,1,34,33,1,0,0,46.8,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"
I have many entrepreneurs friends who might need to rethink entire business models - but I wonder: at what point you go into life changing decisions based on a crisis situation which can evolve in so many different ways? You can’t predict what will be in 3 months, so why make those decisions? My hypothesis is that it is a false comfort to our restless brains.


Other updates from all over edgeryders - a conversation on [Work in the time of Coronavirus](https://edgeryders.eu/t/work-in-the-time-of-corona-virus/12850/):

> I know another who has an art studio next door to the office where she works. She is trying to get her boss to let her strong an ethernet cable and a phone line across to the studio so she can work there. - @anon1659154220 

> A lot of my friends in Italy are experiencing some remote-working but also companies are asking them to use their paid leave and stay home.
> So far a friend that is working in the food industry is still going to work, their company is going to be open through the crisis. - @anon187167139 


What about you?"
3,71832,2020-03-19T20:38:50.226Z,12886,0,31,30,21,0,0,156.2,71719,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Yep, it is quite an interesting situation we have here (Czech Republic) at the University now (Charles Uni is the biggest with the highest number of international students). The so-called presence study system we are working under requires quite strictly from us (the teaching staff) to conduct frontal lecturing, consulting (and to a certain extent examining as well) in person, which is not possible. But there is even more to it - exchange student being sent home, but still having to fulfil financial obligations they previously gained, temporarily residing students (participating in full study programs) stuck in legal no man's land with no visa and much more,.. unfortunately.

The system, us, were not ready for this challenge and have to devise short-term, mid terms and long term strategies at once, since the last week. I am just wondering whether we should unify our approaches as the teaching staff, or give way to differentiating specificities among fields, faculties and individuals...

This is not as much about earnings as rather about being able to essentially do our jobs at all and also remain supportive and helpful to the students. I guess similar experiences are to be found other areas, you might have experienced something similar yourself..let us see."
4,72010,2020-03-21T11:01:07.836Z,12886,0,27,26,1,0,0,40.4,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Thanks to @anon187167139 @anon2468062034 @anon3353600255 @anon

Just a note that you'll be seeing other calls announced on edgeryders, don't get confused :-) feel free to join those as well,

Otherwise, see you on Tuesday!   <3"
5,72014,2020-03-21T11:36:47.914Z,12886,0,27,26,1,0,0,10.4,71715,anon2867672406,anon2446385507,"Great, great initiative! I am locked in another call, but wish I could be there. Edgeryders at its best :heart:"
6,72039,2020-03-21T23:07:03.222Z,12886,1,26,25,1,0,0,30.2,71715,anon2158539849,anon2446385507,"https://tunisiavscorona.createaforum.com/index.php?fbclid=IwAR3s9HWxBzYkdZudXkYSQut7wFYnwky3tbFw8nZFJcUDe6Iq2TqezQJDj3g

I was observing the last 48 hours how people are gathering online to find different solution for this crisis in #Tunisia.

I am super overwhelmed by the dynamic and the #engagement of people from different ages and backgrounds, working on #social and #technical #challenges! Nevertheless, I did also observe that a lot of groups are working on the same thing and redoing the same stuff. I think now, it is time maybe to canalize the efforts and avoid redundancy.
My #suggestion would be to create a platform, that facilitate the communication and the coordination of the different working groups. This platform would also serve to condensate the hacks and knowledge that you have been collecting in the last few days.[Amine Abdelmoula]"
7,72135,2020-03-23T08:31:48.535Z,12886,3,27,26,1,0,0,25.4,72039,anon2446385507,anon2158539849,"Hi Yassine, good to meet you, I see that you were involved in Hack4Environment with @anon
Is there nothing similar in Tunisia that you can volunteer to help with, so that you are part of a team and have better results?
Hope to see you in what on the calls and talk more!"
8,72136,2020-03-23T08:33:21.354Z,12886,1,25,24,1,0,0,30.0,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"@anon

See you tomorrow, and come with as much sharing as you can :-)"
9,72172,2020-03-23T13:54:54.300Z,12886,2,24,23,1,0,0,64.8,72136,anon1466844745,anon2446385507,"Hello again @anon2446385507 and thanks! :slight_smile:

This is how it is going: my co-founder and I have been always working remotely, in fact we only met in the flesh a long time after we begun working together; so from that point of view our life didn't change at all.

Our current problem is that we make [hiking maps and guides](http://cartisan.org), and that requires people wanting to travel and go hiking, which is (rightly so) not high on the list of many people in the middle of a pandemic. So for all intents and purposes we can consider this hiking season pretty much cancelled before it even started, which means not many sales this year, I'm afraid.

So it's seems like it is time for re-invention, *once again*. But it is not so simple, because I am contemplating two somewhat conflicting thoughts:

1.  We want to keep alive what we have built so far, because we actually like doing it and it seems it was providing some value, but it won't be easy in the current situation.
2. I feel we could investigate this opportunity to look for something *else* we could *also* do. Should we? And not just to ""diversify business"", I really just wish this won't be yet another wasted global crisis. But where to start?

I am starting from this call with you, let's see. Because I don't know if this makes sense outside my own head, but at least I hope that talking about it out loud could help. Maybe I'm not alone in this..."
10,72176,2020-03-23T14:02:30.820Z,12886,1,23,22,1,0,0,14.6,72172,anon2446385507,anon1466844745,"It makes a lot of sense. Entrepreneurship is never a dull business is it?

Myself, I am starting a new business and I realise that I'm lucky because I can use this downtime for a solid R&D phase building up on existing plans. But I am in the phase before going to market.. So it allows for a lot of these lessons to be taken in.
More about diversifying the model tomorrow, 

I would really hope @anon278000045 can join and share his story from a different industry, but anyway you two would hit it off!"
11,72193,2020-03-23T15:05:20.128Z,12886,1,21,20,1,0,0,29.2,72176,anon1466844745,anon2446385507,"It isn't dull, it's challenging to keep it at the right level of fun/work as you go though. 

""Solid R&D"" and ""plans"" ...I wish I were this organised :smiley:  well done to you! And looking forward to hearing more about your idea.

re: diversify, you are the experts when it comes to reinventing work, studying alternative economic models... that's why I am here (not only to talk *would other products could we create*, so to speak). I really am hopeful that a different way to conduct business could show itself in light of this pandemic. I'm hearing a lot about *social enterprises* (being very close to the [Impact Hub network](http://impacthub.net)) and part of its community, but... is it becoming just a buzz word already?"
12,72198,2020-03-23T15:24:51.841Z,12886,0,21,20,1,0,0,39.2,71715,anon278000045,anon2446385507,Hey @anon2446385507 yes i will be taking part in the discussion tomorrow :)
13,72200,2020-03-23T15:35:30.550Z,12886,0,21,20,1,0,0,24.2,72193,anon2446385507,anon1466844745,"'never let a good crisis go to waste' - is what some are thinking. But yes, many of the crowds we've met over the years at Edgeryders did think together about alternative models, but they are always [niche](https://pay.coupons/) or [tryouts](https://fairbnb.coop/) (this Fairbnb in particular has been in beta test for years afaik), or banking on [foresight](https://medium.com/peerism/blockchain-commons-the-end-of-all-corporate-business-models-3178998148ba). I feel what's missing is the actionable opportunity for someone to actually make them legible and accessible by others.

Anyway, Yannick just wrote a call to action here, if you're interested in reading before tomorrow:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-machine-is-quasi-in-stand-still-time-to-rip-out-some-pieces-and-design-some-new-a-call-to-practice-new-forms-economy/12927"
14,72355,2020-03-24T14:50:09.000Z,12886,0,19,18,1,0,0,38.8,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hello all, thank you to the many who attended, it was really interesting.

I am collecting notes for weekly updates. But until then, the call remains for everyone who wants to participate in a shared effort and a real community response. 

# please take a little time to share how you personally are coping:

Pick one option :-)

1) You pair up with another person to interview each other in another call, then edit the stories in your own computers and post them in the [Campfire.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/campfire)
(We have @anon

2) You write your story directly in the [Campfire.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/campfire) How? Freestyle. If you need help, let us know below and I'll set up some guiding questions for you. 

3. Fill out the online Questionnaire and a community manager takes care to post your story: [https://ercommunity.typeform.com/to/XQD9qo ](https://ercommunity.typeform.com/to/XQD9qo) 

We know writing is not easy for everyone, but ideally it will come natural to you. Think of us as friends who will learn from you and might help. 

See you and others next week! (same registration link, same time)"
15,72375,2020-03-24T17:59:12.204Z,12886,1,18,17,1,1,0,43.6,72172,anon2867672406,anon1466844745,"[quote=""anon
I really just wish this won’t be yet another wasted global crisis. But where to start?
[/quote]

Man, I feel you. I really do. It's exactly the same thing here. I worry about being too entrenched, and holding on to an unviable business. But i *also* worry about being too volatile, without the staying power to stick around until the real impact comes in. 

I am afraid we can never be sure we are doing the right thing. But we *can* support each other, and provide each other with much-needed external (but sympathetic) points of views. Hang in there!"
16,72480,2020-03-25T18:26:37.360Z,12886,1,18,17,1,1,0,13.6,72375,anon1466844745,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:15, topic:12886""]
being too volatile, without the staying power to stick around until the real impact comes in.
[/quote]

Could you pelase elaborate on this: what do you mean by *""real impact comes in""*?

And yes to sharing points of views, and all of that. That's why I'm here really :blush:"
17,72488,2020-03-25T19:05:15.556Z,12886,0,18,17,1,0,0,23.6,72135,anon2158539849,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi, good to meet you too, about tunisiavscorona project, I was the responsible of marketing and because of UI, people didn't like it a lot and they didn't understand the concept."
18,72489,2020-03-25T19:08:45.972Z,12886,0,19,18,1,0,0,68.8,72135,anon2158539849,anon2446385507,"Hello, I am Yassine Metoui member of the young science association of Tunisia in the IT sector. Because of the circumstances that our country is experiencing, the association young sciences is developing a website which brings together several volunteers on an international scale so that we can help people in their quarantine, help perhaps in the form of donations or simply to answer questions proposed by visitors to the site. In other way the visitors of the site are people who seek answers to their questions or who need logistical help, as being volunteers we can even give food for those who cannot afford to buy or who cannot transport themselves. For this we need several volunteers in all the countries, we have already contacted the Red Crescent and several Tunisian associations and clubs and several communities from Germany, France, Mexico ect ... if you are interested in this project please contact me contact as soon as possible and thank you in advance."
19,72598,2020-03-26T21:19:55.417Z,12886,0,18,17,1,1,0,23.6,72480,anon2867672406,anon1466844745,"[quote=""anon
what do you mean by *“real impact comes in”* ?
[/quote]


I mean this: if you are trying to build something not-so-intuitive, like Edgeryders, it might take a fairly a long time for enough people to ""get it"" so that you start seeing real results. During that initial time, nothing much is happening. It looks like you are failing. But are you really? Or are you slowly climbing the first part of an exponential curve? 

There are two opposite risks, that of being too in love with a project that is unviable, and that of being too impatient with a project that is perfecly viable, it just needs a bit of time. :slight_smile:"
20,72604,2020-03-26T21:46:35.457Z,12886,2,18,17,1,0,0,18.6,72135,anon2158539849,anon2446385507,"Hello 
I want  to ask for something.
How can i find many volunteers,associations and organizations in other countries because i am trying my best to find them and help them with my plateform.
I want to help all of them because they are suffering."
21,72641,2020-03-27T10:58:33.275Z,12886,0,18,17,1,0,0,23.6,72604,anon781457888,anon2158539849,@anon
22,72644,2020-03-27T11:01:09.829Z,12886,2,18,17,1,0,0,48.6,72604,anon781457888,anon2158539849,@anon2158539849 you will find many members in Tunisia/ Mena if you introduce yourself in the Ocilab group and maybe @anon
23,72759,2020-03-27T23:00:27.478Z,12886,0,17,16,1,0,0,8.4,72644,anon2158539849,anon781457888,Thank U very much
24,72762,2020-03-28T00:01:07.880Z,12886,0,16,15,1,0,0,8.2,72644,anon2158539849,anon781457888,"Sorry to disturb, my project like a voluntary work for now maybe after the COVID , I have an idea how to switch from voluntary work to a company but i will did it after this difficult period."
25,72875,2020-03-30T09:56:22.527Z,12886,0,14,13,7,0,0,52.8,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"@anon

Special thanks to our contributors who created 2 beautiful and inspiring stories from Yerevan and Novi Sad. The stories are now part of future efforts in edgeryders, and we will try to connect the authors with opportunities from around!

https://edgeryders.eu/t/coping-with-loss-of-work-a-postcard-from-yerevan/12952

https://edgeryders.eu/t/coping-with-loss-of-work-a-postcard-from-novi-sad/13018"
26,74834,2020-04-22T10:06:13.380Z,12886,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,71715,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hi everyone,

A quick note to all of you who have been following these conversations:
After a few weeks of hosting our calls on Zoom, we are forced to drop this technology and look for safer alternatives and protocols for registration. Full announcement from yesterday [here.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/announcement-edgeryders-is-leaving-zoom-effective-immediately/13275/)

We are looking to set up new video chat channels and I will be back with an invitation as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, we continue our online discussions - here are some of the most interesting stories so far: what are your own learnings from this period?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-we-are-learning-about-strategies-to-cope-with-loss-of-work/13050/"
1,72845,2020-03-30T07:29:14.619Z,13018,1,19,18,21,0,0,173.8,72845,anon1531708603,anon1531708603,"<image here> 
 
*Me and my older sun in our improvised studio. We were setting all up, so I can continue to share info and knowledge that way while we are in quarantine…and we had a lot of fun! It seems like the good way to have the full attention of your teenager for al least 10 or 15 minutes, but the topics also need to be inspiring for them too :-)*

## “What are you doing in life?” 

Work status follows just a part of my doing :). As a mum of two boys, both almost teenagers, a lot of doing is faced towards them. I am also an architect and a project manager of The National Green Roof Asociation in Serbia. During my 12 years of architectural practice, I have focused on rethinking urban development as it shows today. Questioning primarily on how to bring nature closer to people.

All the activities that I have planned, such as seminars and workshops regarding urban nature especially green roof and wall implementation, need to be delayed. At the moment, I am thinking about how to make our website more interactive and with more options to make the ongoing changes. Also, I am considering making short videos and sharing them through our channels in order to continue working on raising awareness about the high importance of urban nature/green infrastructure… 

## “What worries you the most about your situation now?”

It is a greatly challenging time. Primarily because we don't have an idea what the future brings, how this pandemic status will affect our life once it is over (whenever it is...). Also, we can not rely on any help now. At this very moment, we are being absolutely in charge of everything, the microenvironment that we are closed in, health, proper food, good education, bills to pay, energy level, the atmosphere, etc. with very few things that we can change or influence.
Therefore, for those who are entrepreneurs and/or a single parent, this situation brings the most difficult, existential issues. Since this state of emergency started, I keep asking myself what can I do to help those who need help now.

## “What makes you hopeful about the future?”

I believe that we will all learn a lot (starting from the basic insights on how much our everyday actions are sustainable!!!, to that question of being in the present moment.). Hopefully, we will go out with new skills.
Additionally, we all go through different phases of our life. The fact that more women are being “stuck” now hopefully doesn’t refer to going back. This is just where our energy is needed the most at this very moment. To heal and to uplift others too. I rely on open communication, calls to action, and bringing awareness on what we as human beings are responsible for.

## “If you are becoming more communal or not, are you going to do things differently? which ones?”

This question brings me back to the first part. Since this state of emergency started, I keep asking myself **what can I do to help those who need help now.** At this very it is far more about we than me. I will share my knowledge as much as possible, without worrying about the perfection of my words, or other actions.

-------------

* *a lesson that life is teaching you:* The question of being in the present moment - How we skipped that lesson and when? Meditation brings back peace in a chaotic mind, and I believe that it is what we miss and need the most now. I would recommend meditations and books from Dr. Shefali, especially for parents. For this specific situation she shares meditation once a day within the open group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/getsuperpowered/permalink/1257423434446327/"
2,72996,2020-03-31T07:45:19.521Z,13018,1,14,13,1,1,0,57.8,72845,anon2446385507,anon1531708603,"
[quote=""anon1531708603, post:1, topic:13018""]
At the moment, I am thinking about how to make our website more interactive and with more options to make the ongoing changes.
[/quote]

@anon1531708603, I came across this toolkit with plenty of resources for practitioners - especially their section on digital organising tools might be useful!
@anon1146465561 might have advice about how other Serbian organisations are climbing the digital curve!  

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iNPPgHO1bQFTey3U4G6LZ4pjb05iM0AyLGYA1We6W5c/edit?pli=1 


And this section on Digital wellbeing, with special dedication to @anon2614214130 @anon4101051500 @anon3346229079 <3

![Capture1|690x580](upload://elg8FohXHLUYiCdyjVtt9kHWcXQ.png)"
3,73051,2020-03-31T11:08:08.000Z,13018,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,72996,anon1531708603,anon2446385507,"Dear anon2649858692mi,

did I miss today's meeting? We switched to a summer-time (an hour +)...

Danica Laćarac
Project Manager
Bulevar oslobođenja 66b | 21000 Novi Sad
mob: (+381) 63 521818
danica.lacarac@anon

Green Roof Association Serbia"
4,73098,2020-03-31T15:39:45.590Z,13018,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,73051,anon2446385507,anon1531708603,"Oh yes, that's why we found ourselves in a tiny group of two!

I summarized where we are with the conversation, do you think it's accurate? 
https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-we-are-learning-about-strategies-to-cope-with-loss-of-work/13050"
5,73112,2020-03-31T16:00:09.000Z,13018,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,73098,anon1531708603,anon2446385507,"Oh, shame... need to set up my alarm again.

Good summary! I hope it will move things forward in some way.

ps, since yesterday our investor has paused finances until this all pass, more challenges to deal with...

See you next Tuesday,

Danica Laćarac
Project Manager
Bulevar oslobođenja 66b | 21000 Novi Sad
mob: (+381) 63 521818
danica.lacarac@anon

Green Roof Association Serbia"
6,73227,2020-04-01T09:36:16.817Z,13018,1,12,11,1,1,0,12.4,73112,anon2446385507,anon1531708603,"[quote=""anon1531708603, post:5, topic:13018""]
ps, since yesterday our investor has paused finances until this all pass, more challenges to deal with…
[/quote]
Oh damn,... really hope it will sort itself out when we are out of this lockdown.

Ping @anon2384804228 @anon4025559169 @anon1541706549 @anon2378345037 how is everyone doing in these times? 
Hope you are well <3"
7,73306,2020-04-01T20:19:39.581Z,13018,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,73227,anon1541706549,anon2446385507,"doing good. working and cooking!
stay tuned, be good"
1,73236,2020-04-01T10:26:19.318Z,13070,0,21,20,7,0,0,219.2,73236,anon1921414910,anon1921414910,"Hey Edgeryders,

My name is Daniel, and I’ll be working on the POPREBEL project in (East) Germany, most closely with @anon3379710332, @anon781457888, and @anon2446385507.

I currently live in Barcelona, and grew up between Germany (my passport country) and the US. I've been working on social innovation and entrepreneurship for 10+ years, and have helped build a few communities in the past.

I'm very excited to be here!

You can learn a bit about my work with communities [in my application](https://edgeryders.eu/t/now-hiring-german-community-manager/12248/23?u=anon1921414910). For more context: I founded a silent-disco-meets-climate-protest called Silent Climate Parade in Berlin (German [link](http://www.klimaretter.info/protest/hintergrund/17228-spass-statt-spielverderber21), [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqHlKus8LQk)), and I have been part of the German climate movement since [COP-15](https://theecologist.org/2009/dec/19/copenhagen-fails-deliver-deal-tackling-climate-change). I've also been played a part in the growth of the Berlin social entrepreneurship ecosystem since 2009.

I think the climate crisis is the defining issue of our time and generation, and I’m so glad to see projects like the Sci-Fi Economics Lab and Earth OS here in this tribe! I’ll be digging into the platform during the next days to find areas where I can contribute.

In the meantime, I was wondering if you knew any interesting political / anti-rightwing activist organizations in (East) Germany I should know about? Would love any introductions or connections!

[details=""I look forward to connecting more with you over the next weeks and months!""]
:wave: @anon1700133569, remember briefly meeting last fall at the retreat?
[/details]

Thank you very much, grateful to be here. :pray:
Daniel"
2,73239,2020-04-01T11:30:48.984Z,13070,1,17,16,1,0,0,43.4,73236,anon2867672406,anon1921414910,"Welcome, @anon1921414910! That is one cool resume.  Looking forward to getting to know you better."
3,73243,2020-04-01T12:00:33.403Z,13070,0,16,15,1,0,0,23.2,73239,anon1921414910,anon2867672406,"Thank you, @anon2867672406! From what I've seen I'm surrounded by people with awesome backgrounds! :)"
4,73246,2020-04-01T12:11:00.062Z,13070,0,16,15,1,0,0,23.2,73236,anon95046639,anon1921414910,Sounds super interesting! looking forward to seeing you around and talking more :)
1,71833,2020-03-19T21:04:12.137Z,12904,0,11,10,3,0,0,47.2,71833,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"Jo, je to docela zajímavá situace, kterou tady teď na univerzitě máme (Uni Karlova je největší s nejvyšším počtem mezinárodních studentů, jak se pořád pyšní, takže double-trouble). Takzvaný systém prezenčního studia, v němž pracujeme, se od nás (pedagogického sboru) zcela striktně vyžaduje, tedy abychom přednášeli, konzultovali (a do jisté míry i zkoušeli) osobně, což teď teda opravdu není možné. Ale je toho ještě víc - výměnný studenti jsou posíláni domů, ale stále musí plnit finanční závazky, k nimž se odhodlali, studenti s dočasným povolením k pobytu (účastnící se plnohodnotných studijních programů) uvízli v právní zemi nikoho bez víza a mnoho dalšího,.. bohužel.

Systém, my, jsme na tuto výzvu nebyli připraveni a museli jsme hned od minulého týdne navrhnout krátkodobé, střednědobé i dlouhodobé strategie. Jen přemýšlím, zda bychom měli sjednotit naše přístupy jako učitelský sbor, nebo ustoupit diferenciaci specifik mezi obory, fakultami a jednotlivci...

Nejde ani tak o výdělky, jako spíše o to, abychom byli schopni v podstatě vůbec vykonávat svou práci a také zůstat vstřícní a nápomocní vůči studentům. Myslím, že podobné zkušenosti se dají najít I v jiných oblastech, možná jste něco podobného zažili sami..uvidíme

Pokud byste se chtěli podělit o své zkušenosti, jenom si postěžovat, nebo zanadávat, ale třeba se i podělit o možnosti práce pro ty, kteří v současné situaci skutečně o job přišli, přidejte se každé úterý ve 12:00 k nám. Zaregistrovat se můžete tady: http://bit.ly/coronawork

Call je mezinárodní, pro celé fórum Wellbeingu/Blahobytu, odehraje se zároveň v angličtině a všech dalších jazycích. Česky tam budu mluvit minimálně já :wink:

Co třeba @anon4062071924, @anon4241195410, @anon2459271939, @anon879431432, @anon1545677655 a další?"
2,73030,2020-03-31T09:43:54.142Z,12904,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,71833,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Here is one for academics (and not only!)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-You-Should-Ignore-All-That/248366"
1,72317,2020-03-24T12:23:27.485Z,12952,2,16,15,257,0,0,1373.2,72317,anon1466844745,anon1466844745,"<image here> 


*My postcard from Yerevan: ""Banana cake"" - As if we needed an excuse to eat some more. Now that we are stuck at home we even started baking stuff...* :man_facepalming: 


---

""What are you doing in life?""
---

I try to contribute to my family by choosing problems and attempting to solve them. I guess for some that'd make me an **entrepreneur**. Most recently I've been involved with **map-making and open GIS**. By training I am an engineer (studied automation, robotics and AI), by vocation, I feel, I've always been a **traveller**. I was born in Italy and have lived in four different countries since 2007. Current home is Yerevan, Armenia. I've been here a while. 

I got interested in making maps sometime in 2016. I've always liked them, as a young child one of my favourite pastimes was daydreaming over atlases (I still do that) and copying maps on semi-transparent paper, colouring them up with pencils and pens. I now like to think of that as travelling before I actually could.

Fast forward to now, through the luck of meeting a like-minded partner, [Cartisan](https://cartisan.org/) was formed, and our first *public result* was a [successful crowdfunding campaign](https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/maps-for-hikers-dilijan-national-park-armenia#/), in November 2018, to put out into the world our first product, which also happened to be **the very first modern topo map of Armenia since Soviet times**. It was a lot of work, and also so rewarding! And we haven't stopped since, we kept providing GIS services to (mostly) trail-building organisations in Armenia, and making new products for hikers, maps and now working on guides too, along the way.

Our products and services became my source of livelihood, or rather, my contribution towards it, as it is frankly not enough to support my and my co-founder's families yet. But we were slowly, steadily, growing towards that, before the pandemic hit...


""What worries you the most about your situation now?""
---

**These are quite stressful times, but I consider myself lucky, relatively speaking**. Our work has always been remote (my co-founder lives in Germany) so we could simply carry on, Personally speaking, I've gone through radical shifts in both my professional and personal life before, quite a few times. Some were positively driven, other ones not so much. In any event, I don't know if it was intentional or just thanks to my curiosity, but ***change* and *re-invention* are becoming somewhat normal**, like turning the pages of a book, that's simply how I kept moving from one *chapter* to the next.

That, I believe, will become more and more relevant in the future. Whether we like it or not.

I also understand that previous experience will not make changes any less painful to live through, but having had some practice with them, and having seen *the other side* of that pain a few times, at least *I know* there is hope.

Combine all that with the fact that my wife still has a salary, for now at least, and that some of our backlog projects will *probably* still get funded at some point, and you'd be right to ask: *so what are you so worried about, exactly?*

Well, yes, things are not as bad as they could be. We are not going to sell many maps this year, but we can still make the new products for 2021, while personally still having a way to put food on the table. **I am very grateful for that**.

And yet, anxiety mounts. because as I said elsewhere, I have this feeling the world is just **not going back to *business as usual***, which could be a good thing in the end; I think **this global transition, and it's economic fallout, are going to last longer than we think, and we are going to struggle**. I really hope I'm wrong here.

And I get anxious because I don't quite know what to do with *that*, how to deal with it. It's going to take a toll on our collective mental health, myself included, it's going to be exhausting at best to keep up with it. I so hope I am overestimating this...


""What makes you hopeful about the future?""
---

The vast amount of time I used to have for free thinking and experimentation has shrunk significantly with a growing family, so risks are *more risky* now. That could, in theory, make me more focused and persistent, but I am not so sure about that yet. I hope it will.

I am also hopeful because this global crisis is exposing, *yet again*, how the global economical and political systems are not really serving the majority of people *all that well* (I am aware of my privileged position). In this I hope for a collective chance to stir changes towards a more ...""healthy direction"". One must hope we won't botch it again! *

I have no recipes for how to do so though. I perhaps just don't know enough to be sure of what I personally think either, so I am implicitly hoping for some guidance here, mentoring even, that could help direct our tiny efforts to *a right-ish target*, so to speak.

Finally, I think most of us are going to publicly grow our appreciation for community, at various scales, and towards the people that serve such communities too. Again, I really hope this lesson could be widely learned, and deeply rooted. Enough for societal rewards to be adjusted accordingly. If it sounds naive, it's because I am a little, most ""entrepreneurs"" are, or we'll never even try to do what we do. 

</br></br>


\* even if...
 >“Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.” - Douglas Adams.

:cry:
</br></br></br>

---
</br></br>

The rapid fire questions now
---

- *a lesson that life is teaching you:* I should have acted more decisively while we had time, and build our semi-off-grid dream house in the countryside already, with a lovely community to share the space. We'd be better prepared now to ride this storm, and in a much happier state by now. I knew something was coming, I just thought we had more time... :sweat_smile:
- *a book recommendation*: [The Divide: A Brief Guide to Global Inequality and its Solutions](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32603498-the-divide) - by Jason Hickel. I haven't finished it yet, so I didn't get to those solutions, but it's definitely being illuminating when it comes to understanding how the structural inequality works, and how that made our society much less resilient to situations like the one we are currently living in 2020; it also shone a light to who's been benefiting from those choices the most. I somehow feel this is the book one should read after also reading [Guns, Germs, and Steel](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1842.Guns_Germs_and_Steel) by Jared Diamond, and/or [Factfulness](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34890015-factfulness) by Hans Rosling, to have a more complete and sobering view. Okay, those are three books.

</br></br></br>"
5,72326,2020-03-24T12:34:05.002Z,12952,0,9,8,0,0,0,16.8,1,anon2446385507,anon95046639,"I just want to make it easy for people and to diminish coordination after - especially if you have to move contents around.
Let's give it a try, we only have 2 options for this format anyway."
9,72508,2020-03-26T00:37:43.900Z,12952,1,12,11,1,1,0,27.4,72317,anon2867672406,anon1466844745,"Wow, great reflections, thanks @anon

[quote=""anon
I should have acted more decisively while we had time, and build our semi-off-grid dream house in the countryside already, with a lovely community to share the space. We’d be better prepared now to ride this storm, and in a much happier state by now. I knew something was coming, I just thought we had more time…
[/quote]

I have similar thoughts. Even the prototype [Reef](/t/6239) is working quite well in the pandemic (""hot area"", two kitchens, home office, courtyard...). But if we had the full Reef already online (#earthos:the-reef – I am going to post a chronicle of how we fare soon) we could be a beacon of the neighborhood. We would be making masks in the hundreds, and electricity. We are working on it, but these things are so damn slow.... :frowning:"
12,72514,2020-03-26T08:24:53.291Z,12952,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,72317,anon2446385507,anon1466844745,
13,72677,2020-03-27T13:00:27.377Z,12952,1,10,9,1,1,0,42.0,72317,anon2446385507,anon1466844745,"[quote=""anon
Our products and services became my source of livelihood, or rather, my contribution towards it, as it is frankly not enough to support my and my co-founder’s families yet. But we were slowly, steadily, growing towards that, before the pandemic hit…
[/quote]

Do you have any investments or capital being drained now, or is it mostly the loss of income that affects you?
Example: I am starting to pay for a professional kitchen to do food production - and I was relieved that the rental contract only starts mid April, thus saving me at least month of expenses which would have been out the window because I couldn't have used it anyway these weeks.  And some other small things like this which make the loss more of a loss of time = loss of income, which is the better situation to be in for low overhead companies. 
Just a headsup that there is no link to Cartisan in the text.. 

[quote=""anon
Well, yes, things are not as bad as they could be.
[/quote]

I very much appreciate your humbleness and how you position yourself with some distance. I hope I didn't skew your perception when I was so adamant in the call: I insisted that we should acknowledge how bad our situation is relative to the world. 

[quote=""anon
how the structural inequality works, and how that made our society much less resilient to situations like the one we are currently living in 2020
[/quote]

Speaking of, this is the article that breaks your heart:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/03/feminism-womens-rights-coronavirus-covid19/608302/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share&fbclid=IwAR2Acr5OhyfGEqIk-11fOsOWjwrUnHy3iw5DYCv9VdCYotm4qNNYQf9vOEw"
14,72714,2020-03-27T15:28:45.802Z,12952,0,10,9,1,1,0,37.0,72677,anon1466844745,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:13, topic:12952""]
Do you have any investments or capital being drained now, or is it mostly the loss of income that affects you?
[/quote]

No investment, and I am actually not welcoming any growth that isn't organic (I got *burned* in the tech startup world before, remember?). So we only sell our **services and products**, as well as fundraising to produce specific new products directly with stakeholders that see the benefit from such product to exists, and therefore choose to *sponsor* our work.

Also, pretty much all the tools we use are free and opensource (mainly [OpenStreetMap (OSM)](https://www.openstreetmap.org),  [JOSM](https://josm.openstreetmap.de/), [QGIS](https://www.qgis.org/en/site/), [Inkscape](), [TeachOSM](https://tasks.teachosm.org/)), so the main fixed costs we have are at printing time. But our process is instead quite labour intensive, as in, we actually improve maps by drawing from sanon3922700746te/drone imagery, and we like to do it by hands, in partnership with people that spend time out in the mountains collecting data; data that we drop straight into OSM so everyone will have better maps of the areas we work on, regardless or whether or not they buy our stuff. And that's a feature :slight_smile:

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:13, topic:12952""]
I hope I didn’t skew your perception when I was so adamant in the call
[/quote]

No, I genuinely think it could be worse. *Suffering* is not something I'd measure in relative terms, in general, but sometime it's healthy to maintain some perspective.

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:13, topic:12952""]
this is the article that breaks your heart
[/quote]

I was talking about a different scale, but even so close to family unit, believe me, I get it: we have a small and active child, and even though we get to spend more quality time with him now, I sometimes miss kindergarten and our trusted baby sitter. We split care between us, some days are actually blissful, some other ones... well, that's when you think of giving another raise to the nanny when she'll be able to come again.

A friend and colleague of ours is a single mom, working from home. I can't even fathom how that works without breaking someone..."
15,72841,2020-03-30T06:22:35.311Z,12952,1,10,9,0,1,0,22.0,72508,anon1466844745,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:9, topic:12952""]
Even the prototype [Reef](/t/6239) is working quite well in the pandemic (“hot area”, two kitchens, home office, courtyard…). But if we had the full Reef already online (#earthos:the-reef – I am going to post a chronicle of how we fare soon) we could be a beacon of the neighborhood.
[/quote]

I bet it's working well for you: nice people, nice space, a garden, and a working external supply chain ...Enjoy! :slight_smile:

I am giving myself some time to research more about this, and there is plenty of material on EarthOS. But I am starting to feel the urgency for real now. What if we have this summer only before things get really ugly? And if they don't, wouldn't it be worthy anyway?

I feel the most crucial component is getting some friends and families on board with this. It needs to be a community for it to work. Without that, it's libertarian *prepper* nightmare scenario for me."
16,72842,2020-03-30T06:26:23.623Z,12952,1,10,9,0,0,0,37.0,72841,anon781457888,anon1466844745,this kicks off today work.edgeryders.eu
17,72854,2020-03-30T08:43:38.508Z,12952,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,72842,anon1466844745,anon781457888,"Thanks. Just in case you didn't know already, when you click on any of the members' *flashcards*, you get an error *""Oops! That page doesn’t exist or is private.""*"
1,71803,2020-03-19T16:03:44.806Z,12899,0,19,18,12,0,0,153.8,71803,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"*(This is a wiki, feel free to add to it. See the <kbd>Edit</kbd> button at the end of the post.)*

&nbsp;

The lovely @anon1357871680 invited me and @anon

About 20 of us community workers met in an online call to try to figure our how organisations which are very much in the territory deal with the challenge of moving their activities online - most of them Romania based. Introduction by the host focused on 3 questions and challenges today like never before:

* How do we play the pandemic network game? -> we need to collaborate more and better (anon469263245, program director from Community Foundation Galati).
* How do we generate cashflow for our beneficiaries?
* How do we generate active communities beyond our usual bubble?

We had community coordinators, volunteers, experts, and network experts in the room:

* Ruxandra: local coordinator of a community program for STEM education, Fondul Științescu.
* Marius: board president of the Galați Community Foundation 'If we would have set up this call/event live, we wouldn't have had so many people' :slight_smile:
* Alexandru: expert on migration
* Cristina: grants manager at the Bucharest Community Foundation
* Alexandra: participation consultant and community facilitator asking how can orgs working with local communities can offer support in light of the deep shifts happening
* Manu: worked on a lot of projects for social innovation and especially incubation
* Mihai: coordinator of [a capacity building program](http://www.educab.org/) equipping libraries with books in 12 countries
* Alin: founder of CoderDojo in Pitesti (south Romania)
* … and others

Manu is a social innovator and like me, used to the online, but has been disappointed with the messiness of the Internet and wanted something more structured. Takeaway: in their social business incubation program, Manu and his team test for minimum viable online interactions, so that the time and community management is more efficiently used relative to the offline!

&nbsp;

**Some of the burning topics we talked about:**


## 1. How can foundations with ongoing programs build or increase their online presence and reach to not lose momentum? 

I read this as a need to stay relevant, in the way of not losing contact with the populations they serve through their very existance. Some projects - like technical innovation among high schoolers, can be repurposed with an online component because youth will be quick adopters. But others, like Marathons, cannot happen online.

We kept getting this question of: 'What are some recipes for moving activities online? For having a useful presence there?'
Unfortunately this is not cookie cutter. It needs strategic considerations,  and for the how: we would need to spend a couple of days together to integrate some ideas into their way of working. Sorry, but it's not as easy!

A great list of civic/social initiatives in Romania working to help relieve the corona crisis:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pX4V6hTx9f4Oe8aNofhx_ePeDAE8PNEYRjox4NhnW6w/edit


## 2. Emergency responses: How do you keep your community alive and cashflow support to those who need the resources? 

We talked a lot about the need to repurpose resources and redirect requests to those organisations already equipped to do crisis relief! My own advice was to even drop projects, if the cost is too high to get them through the noise in today's communications, which are anyway mostly focused on corona. These efforts might clog the channels, more than do good.

&nbsp;

**Next steps for this group:**

* a few hours of people to look into each other's issues + resources
* new calls focused on a specific question"
2,71996,2020-03-21T07:04:55.077Z,12899,2,14,13,2,0,0,67.8,71803,anon469263245,anon2446385507,"Great input to the online discussion, anon2649858692mi; chapeau! :cowboy_hat_face: for the summary (plus you`ve been uber-fast with all of it). 

It seems to me that the topics in the meet-up got **polarised** between the invitation for a larger mind frame and the need to zoom in on a particular problem. **A few examples of the stated ”zoom in” problems**:
* How do we re-create a small community around an educational topic (like Stiintescu or CoderDojo) in an online environment?
* How can we do fundraising in an online environment?
* How do we form interdisciplinary communities of experts who think together about a given problem? 
* How do we recruit and engage the right people?
 
**Ideally, we will continue the meetings by answering both plans:**
1. The wide zoom out and strategic thinking needs
2. and the zoom in, hands-on problem-solving requests.
 
I would like to learn from what you do here at EdgeRyders (cool pioneers of online communities : ). 
It would be great to harvest some of the models and resources you have here to answer our challenges. 
 
I think we have an unprecedented opportunity and need to change. I am glad that you are here. And it feels like am here to stay : )."
3,72007,2020-03-21T10:53:07.767Z,12899,1,15,14,1,1,0,58.0,71996,anon2446385507,anon469263245,"[quote=""anon469263245, post:2, topic:12899""]
* How do we form interdisciplinary communities of experts who think together about a given problem?
* How do we recruit and engage the right people?
[/quote]

Right now with Edgeryders we are in a similar situation like you - we have ongoing projects that have their missions, but faced with the crisis we are doing our best to shift the conversations around the things that we humans care about these days - a simple routine I could recommend is the weekly open calls to all those interested in some efforts:

Example: 

Each Monday we are onboarding those people who want to find something community like to do during this lockdown: https://edgeryders.eu/t/weekly-covid2019-community-response-call/12919

Each Tuesday we are hosting themed calls on Loss of work in the times of corona - the themes will change every month or so: https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-to-do-when-losing-work-during-covid19-community-calls-each-tuesday-noon/12886

Anyone can join the calls, but community managers send more targeted invites or reach out to those who probably woudl benefit a lot or could offer expertise to also join. There is also some guidance during the calls - what we want to do, why sharing is good, what happens next etc. But it's a group habit that can increase the collaboration overall, it doesn't mean everyone will or should collaborate, you see?

This is simple to organise, but it takes time to keep in touch with people and connect what is being said - that's why integrating online calls with some form of online discussion to continue the conversation tends to work, if enough attention is put into it."
4,72215,2020-03-23T16:40:57.495Z,12899,0,12,11,1,1,0,22.4,72007,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon469263245, post:2, topic:12899""]
* How do we re-create a small community around an educational topic (like Stiintescu or CoderDojo) in an online environment?
* How can we do fundraising in an online environment?
[/quote]

And these topics would actually be good ones to get specific conversations happening in calls - so that everyone joining the call comes prepared to contribute to answering these questions."
5,72271,2020-03-24T08:47:47.452Z,12899,1,12,11,1,0,0,42.4,71803,anon1357871680,anon2446385507,"Thank you for the insights during the call and for this super helpful wiki, @anon2446385507! If any Romanian speaker happens to click by, here's another notes doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-j-s5I22fZSL2AgX5n721SB1pxoy4h_2nxUj29TUnWA/edit

I'd add to the list of burning questions that of **starting local online communities** from afresh, as may be the case of younger orgs that don't yet have programs in place so more flexibility as to shape them (the programs, the communities) already more fit for online / remote collaboration. 

It was a question raised by the Banatul Montan Community Foundation, who may have the opportunity to virtually enlarge the local community with people from the diaspora that could contribute remotely to their local efforts."
6,72349,2020-03-24T14:37:24.154Z,12899,2,12,11,1,0,0,17.4,72271,anon2446385507,anon1357871680,"Well ideally yes, communities would have their online space - perhaps @anon

Meanwhile, if you find use for edgeryders as a place to coordinate a bit, feel free to use it.

Bine ati venit/ Welcome to all the new people! @anon3148519978 @anon

P.S. English or any other language is good on this platform.. so no worries."
8,72367,2020-03-24T16:09:13.575Z,12899,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,72357,anon2446385507,,"Oops, I saw in influx of our conationals joining so thought you might be coming from this crowd.

The bigger projects Edgeryders has (funded or strategic 'company units') are all visible from our homepage. Inside each there are conversations, like this that you are seeing. I posted it under Wellbeing, a project about citizen wellbeing in several European countries, broadly speaking. This thread comes after a call we had with fellow Romanians, and we are building some momentum by staying connected. Since edgeryders.eu is an open network, we're happy to host it here if the people involved dont have a forum (yet).

For newcomers like you, what's important is to somehow get attached to the issues you care about, after which you get notifications from that section of the website:
1/ [Campfire](https://edgeryders.eu/c/campfire) is a general purpose forum where you can say hi and post an intro about who you are :-)
2/  Some other specific conversations you might be interested from across the forum, feel free to join:

- [Weekly onboarding Monday calls](https://edgeryders.eu/t/weekly-covid2019-community-response-call/12920)
- A social game to play online:  https://edgeryders.eu/t/play-didiasks-online-with-us-friday-17-00-cest/12953
- Sharing experiences from being abroad: 
https://edgeryders.eu/t/is-corona-keeping-you-away-from-your-home-country-family-and-friends/12856/7

And many others, but hard to say what would interest you as of now :-)"
9,72390,2020-03-24T20:45:32.376Z,12899,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,72349,anon2587164123,anon2446385507,"Hey,

Glad to hear from you. Building engagement through online platforms is probably the hardest thing if you can't draw enough attention with relevant topics in order to build sufficient critical mass and attract people to interact and exchange ideas/thoughts/stories.

We have launched [team2121.ro](https://team2121.ro/) a year ago but we left it dormant because we have been drawn in other off-line projects and we had littled time for it.

However, recently we have seen the value in being able to share online content relevant to our communities. We have easily configured a ""[coronavirus"" thread on team2121.ro](https://team2121.ro/c/COVID-19) and managed to be useful to the community with several topics. 

One example is [this topic](https://team2121.ro/t/ce-este-bine-sa-stim-despre-covid-19-si-ce-devine-crucial-pentru-zilele-urmatoare/159?fbclid=IwAR0pf9sLkORtm6o6vtw-1zDTfiVevHt_II0Ozt628dV0xWTwJMPKYuiAm2Y) that has been shared and read by thousands of Romanians within 24 hours.

The online platform becomes more relevant day by day and we have a team that is looking into capturing and sharing useful information for our community in these critical moments.

Hope this was useful to you too.

Val"
10,72680,2020-03-27T13:11:48.697Z,12899,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,71803,anon3148519978,anon2446385507,"Thank you so much, @anon2446385507, @anon1357871680, @anon469263245! It was a perfect conversation starter for me! I really needed it in order to have more courage regarding the online world.
To be honest, these days are full of new topics for me. 
I'll share some of them, with the aim to inspire other readers.

* after a webinar facilitated by ARC, I started reading about ABCD and fell in love with [http://abcdinstitute.org/]((http://abcdinstitute.org/?fbclid=IwAR1nMQyOTy0XGNYRNml0FxCnyVv2opQ0GqQvOqn1lh4T60exMFQ1m6aYy9A)) and thinking about community engagement with focus on resources (instead of needs) An inspiring [case](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1WSkXWSJac).

* I enrolled in [The Science of Well-Being](https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being) free course on Coursera, looking for methods and activities to help me cope with anxiety, fear or stress. Also exploring [character strengths](https://www.viacharacter.org/survey/account/register) and research related to them.

* I explore this platform, of course. Did not manage to find my spot in it yet, but I do like it a lot. 

When it comes to actively doing things, I found a lot of joy in encouraging other Stiintescu coordinators join an online meeting. We tried Hangouts and did not work as smoothly as our Zoom with you. But it was really nice to get in touch and find out about each other like this. We promoted it as a support group and talked mostly about work :sweat_smile:, but it was a good start I think.
Also, I found the courage to ask our local project coordinators (Stiintescu in Brasov) if they would enjoy an online meeting and 2 of them are on board. I plan to connect them with others in the country and...we shall see.

Thank you again for everything and... keep in touch. :star_struck:"
11,72684,2020-03-27T13:21:53.092Z,12899,1,9,8,1,1,0,26.8,72680,anon2446385507,anon3148519978,"Hei Ruxandra, happy you find the online realm interesting.. and trust me, everyone is getting lost these days in so many sources of info and interesting activities you can do online.

[quote=""anon3148519978, post:10, topic:12899""]
I enrolled in [The Science of Well-Being](https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being) free course on Coursera, looking for methods and activities to help me cope with anxiety, fear or stress. Also exploring [character strengths](https://www.viacharacter.org/survey/account/register) and research related to them.
[/quote]
This sounds very interesting, I'm having a look now - I'm just always afraid to signup for things due to failure to complete them. Out of 6 online courses I started, I finished one, I almost finished another, and I abandoned the others half way. Yikes. Not a valid reason not to try of course, it's just my OCD :-))

If you will need a zoom room to test properly with your team at Stiintescu, with Edgeryders we have a paid subscription and are offering it to those in the community who want to use it. Let me know!"
12,72699,2020-03-27T14:35:48.048Z,12899,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,72684,anon3148519978,anon2446385507,"I do know the feeling of starting and not getting to the end :smile: 
My tactic is to ...enjoy it till it lasts...without further pressure on myself, mostly because nobody else depends on it. 

Regarding Zoom, it would be great! I plan one session on Tuesday, at 6pm. Thank you so much!"
13,72711,2020-03-27T15:20:46.323Z,12899,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,72699,anon2446385507,anon3148519978,"OK, I think the Tuesday slot is free, let me know when it's confirmed and I will set it up for you and send you the instructions for hosting/ joining."
1,72530,2020-03-26T11:15:25.096Z,12977,0,8,7,4,0,0,51.6,72530,anon2631063041,anon2631063041,"Pracoval jsem na jedné pražské soukromé vysoké škole jako vyučující. Když jsem by několik let externistou, tak mi to přišlo jako fajn přivýdělek. Učím rád, vidím v tom určitou hodnotu jak pro sebe, tak pro studenty a studentky. Dokonce si myslím, že mi to i docela jde. Když jsem ale nastoupil na začátku roku 2018 do pracovního poměru, můj pocit se zásadně změnil, nejen že si **vedení univerzity myslelo, že se vyučující flákají**, když učí jen 26 týdnů (tedy polovinu) z roku, ale jsou placeni po celý rok, začalo ale také tlačit na výzkumnou a publikační činnost, aniž by k tomu nejprve udělalo podmínky. Během semestrů, když máte při plném úvazku učit 12 až 16 hodin týdně, což - pokud nemáte smináře s paralelkami - představuje šest až osum předmětů za semestr, a zároveň vedete 10 až 20 bakalářských závěrečných prací prostě není možné. A představa, že v květnu doučíte, v červnu odsedíte státnice a pak během července až září si seberete kvalitní data a vyprodukujete kvalitní vědecký text, který vám vezmou v zahraničních, oborově vážených časopisech (kde rozhodně jsou všichni zvědaví na naše malé české problémy) je dost zcestný. A tak když jsem po roce a půl především psychicky vyčerpaný **ukončoval svůj pracovní poměr**, kolegyně socioložka mi zmínila, že FSV UK otevírá pozici na projektu POPREBEL a hledají někoho, kdo se zabývá (sociálněvědními) studii genderu a sexualit. I když jsem měl v té době několik jiných projektů (akademických i neziskovkových), ve kterých jsem (byl) namočen, přihlásil jsem se do konkurzu, protože málokdy se vypisuje místo na takto specifické téma, místo, které  v zásadě ideálně kombinuje moje dvě specializace - mediální komunikaci a **aktivismus v kontextu genderu a sexualit** (který je možná do jisté míry rebélií, zcela jistě se ale v posledních letech stává významným tématem pro populisty - ale o tom napíšu asi jiný text).

A tak jsem se dostal na tuto stránku. Seznamuju se s prostředím a tématy, která se tu diskutují. Mám za úkol komunikaci především pozorovat, ale rozhodně mám silné nutkání se i zapojovat. Aktuálně probíhá něco, co se nazývá koronavirová krize, která rozhodně vytváří zásadní nároky na **zdravotní systém a infrastrukturu**, ten český se zdá být dobrý a odolný a až se situace zklidní, tak mě budou určitě zajímat srovnávací analýzy toho, jak fungoval a reagoval systém třeba v Itálii nebo USA.

**Bydlím v Praze, v podnájmu**, jsem sám (myšleno singl), ale mám skoro 6leté dítě ve střídavé péči. Aktuálně jsem konfrontovaný s tím, že mi dcera začne chodit do základní školy vzdálené skoro 30 minut jízdy MHD od místa, kde teď (za docela přijatelných podmínek) bydlím, a já budu muset 2-3 dny v týdnu, několik příštích let ráno a odpoledne do školy dojíždět. Druhá možnost je se přestěhovat - ale jak podnájmy, tak **dosažitelnost vlastního bydlení** pro někoho, komu už je skoro 40, nemá druhý příjem do domácnosti od partnerky či partnera, nemůže tak jednoduše jít s dítětem do garsonky nebo do spolubydlení s cizími lidmi, a má příjmy jen na dobu určitou (vždy s horizontem dvou až tří let) lehce převyšujícími průměrný český plat, je vlastně nereálná.

Diskuse tady na Edgeryder je tak pro mě nejenom novou prací, ale určitě i příležitostí poznat životní stiuace a postoje ostatních, a to nejen v oblasti mojí specializace (na sexualitu a gender), ale i oblastech dalších, které se v zásadě dotýkají všech a jsou - jak se ukazuje - velice aktuální."
2,72542,2020-03-26T12:49:49.388Z,12977,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,72530,anon2446385507,anon2631063041,"Ahoj, Vítejte v komunitě!
Jsem anon2649858692mi, pracuji s @anon3379710332 , @anon3353600255 a dalšími. Od chvíle, kdy jste zmínili bydlení, jste měli možnost přečíst si příspěvky týkající se aktivismu bydlení ve vaší zemi?

Toto je nejnovější - https://edgeryders.eu/t/bydleni-je-pravo/12296
Pokud máte rady pro autory, prosím podělte se!

Zde jsou některé věci, které by vás mohly zajímat v celé síti - většina z nich je angličtina, ale můžete také psát ve vašem jazyce.

Všechny rozhovory o tom, jak ostatní členové komunity přežívají v době korony: https://edgeryders.eu/tags/covid19

V POPREBEL pořádáme týdenní hovor o ztrátě práce během krize - [můžete se sem připojit.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/what-to-do-when-losing-work-during-covid19-community-calls-each-tuesday-noon/12886/) 

PS Omlouváme se za chyby, napsal jsem tento komentář pomocí překladu Google."
3,72548,2020-03-26T13:11:49.442Z,12977,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,72530,anon3353600255,anon2631063041,"Ahoj Zdeňku,

díky moc, žes nám přispěl na fórum a nezůstals tak jenom ""za oponou"". Jsme rádi, že ses k nám přidal, jak zmínila anon2649858692mi, většina věcí, o kterých píšeš, se v rámci Wellbeingu na fóru v nějaké formě objevila. Co je věcí, na kterou jsem já třeba osobně dosud nepomyslel, je vnitřní mobilita v Praze v kombinací s péčí o děti (já sám děti nemám). Mám ale zprostředkovanou zkušenost kamaráda, který po rozvodu musel neuvěřitelně mikromanagovat svůj život po minutách v souvislosti se stěhováním, změnou zaměstnání a neustálými přesuny na 50 km, takže si dovedu představit, jak je to náročný. Třeba tahle zkušenost s POPREBELem bude patřit k těm pozitivním.

Jinak, kdybys chtěl, můžeš případně přihodit jak současná karanténa změna podmínek mění Tvoji perspektivu každodennosti sem: [COVID-19 a práce - jak se mění pohled na věc?](https://edgeryders.eu/t/covid-19-a-prace-jak-se-meni-pohled-na-vec/12904)"
1,64046,2019-11-14T10:16:02.989Z,11518,2,22,21,15,0,0,211.4,64046,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"<image here> 
 

I see a few interesting tensions emerging in the coding so far, and I'm looking forward to seeing how these materialise in the SSNA. 

One is about `bubbles` and `encountering difference`. Community members, on the one hand, find escaping the bubbles they grew up in (this often manifests in the concrete experience of deciding to `leave one's home country` and go somewhere else) leads to `personal growth` and change. The bubble-worlds of their home countries, while sometimes feeling safe, feel limiting. 

But there's an interesting thing that happens after that -- often, they seek another kind of bubble in another place-- this time, around shared beliefs and `values` rather than shared `national identity`. 

There's an interesting tension that emerges here, though. Many community members say that it was in encountering difference (people from different places, with different worldviews) that they developed as a person, grew and developed their own values. 

However, there is another kind of difference that community members avoid -- they cite a `values mismatch` between them and other people (sometimes these are people from their home country, who haven't changed their ways of thinking, or people in the new country whose politics and ways of life seem alien and wrong). 

My first research question proceeding from this, then, is: **what kind of encounters with human difference are enriching, pushing you outside of your comfort zone to grow as a person, and which kinds of difference do you avoid because you see it as damaging? How do you know this beforehand?** 

I find it fascinating that encounters with difference have the capacity to both grow us and negatively affect us, and am interested to dig deeper into the kinds of pushing outside of one's bubble that are productive, and which are not. As a follow-up question, I'd like us to interrogate the bubbles more: **When is a bubble a way of hiding from other views that might lead to the kind of expansion of worldview that many community members cite as central to their growth and development as humans, and when are bubbles a way of building safe communities away from threat? How can we tell the difference, when encountering difference (getting outside of bubbles) is often what pushes us to grow and change, too?** 

I'm also interested in interrogating the relationship between one's origin country and one's adopted country -- there's an emotional element to the writings on this by communities so far that have been interesting. Some find a deep `emotional connection` to the politics in their origin countries, even after having been away for years, that they cannot develop in new countries (often because they never feel totally a part of the culture in the new country, often hanging out only in bubbles with other transplants). Others try to immerse themselves in the new country and `disconnect emotionally` with the old. But it seems, by and large, that those old ties remain strong emotionally.

 This leads me to ask about people's decisions to stay or go, and then after that to stay connected or detach: community members have talked about this in terms of a kind of `fight-or-flight` response. So I'm interested in the question of **how we decide whether to fight developments we see as negative, particularly in our countries of origin, and how we decide to detach and focus our limited energies elsewhere?** This is related to the bubbles question -- **do you stay and work to better your old communities that were yours by birth and upbringing, or do you turn away from trying to change other people and instead build your own communities, of like-minded people?** I want to be clear that there isn't a right or wrong answer here, but I'm seeing different strategies emerge, both which have significant emotional impacts on people. Leaving is hard (physically leaving and emotionally detaching from politics): but so is staying. 

There is another question worth exploring, which is: **how do we design events that will be impactful in addressing and acting on actual issues that people face?** I expect to see links in the SSNA between `event planning, non-transformative, defining purpose, solidarity networks and building collaborations`. This is, of course, a question near and dear to us at Edgeryders. Community members have attended a lot of non-transformative events, in which panels of 'experts' talk at them, with little visible connections to actual issues they face or little commitment to concretely producing social change. **How do we invent better blueprints for transformative, impactful events? How do we move away from the same rote, flat scripts and formats? Can we fork, instead of fighting, or is fighting necessary to enact change in powerful spaces that refuse to change** (e.g. spaces we all have to inhabit in which white dudes with power talking at everyone) -- related to the above questions on bubbles and where to engage/spend your time and who to spend your time with. 

 Beyond these questions, I see topics that I expected to see: a dislike of `patriotism`, which many feel leads to `alienation` and `exclusion` of groups based on identity markers (race, ethnicity, class); overreach of institutions like the Church that perpetuate` traditional (harmful) values` (though some see the Church as a potentially positive entity in political and social transformation), and how to tackle `ignorance` and `indifference` (though some think that cultivating indifference can be healthy, when it comes to things you can't change (follow-up question: **how do you decide when people or situations can't be changed?**). 

I expect to see a lot more tensions and questions emerge as we go on, and would love to hear more voices and stories on the English platform to work on! 

I'm also looking forward to reading the preliminary write-ups of the rest of the ethnography team: @anon3353600255, @anon4110936133, @anon

@anon2446385507 @anon"
2,64048,2019-11-14T10:17:40.608Z,11518,1,20,19,0,0,0,24.0,64046,anon2446385507,anon2979239943,"Thanks, good read ahead of our workshops. 
I wonder: should this be in the public Workspace instead?"
3,64051,2019-11-14T10:24:49.804Z,11518,1,20,19,0,0,0,24.0,64048,anon2979239943,anon2446385507,"I wanted to put it here first for one of you to review before making it public, but I'm happy for it to be moved!"
4,64103,2019-11-14T22:08:52.927Z,11518,0,17,16,1,0,0,8.4,64051,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,Moved
5,64134,2019-11-15T08:40:46.193Z,11518,2,17,16,1,1,0,18.4,64046,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:1, topic:11518""]
Can we fork, instead of fighting, or is fighting necessary to enact change in powerful spaces that refuse to change
[/quote]


This is a great question. But, while you can fork a small project, it takes historical events to fork a nation state. Also, would you say forking is similar to leaving?"
6,64156,2019-11-15T10:39:53.149Z,11518,2,17,16,1,0,0,63.4,64046,anon781457888,anon2979239943,"huh, it is strange to me that patriotism would be bad as in my mind it is very different from Nationalism. Patriotism is associated to a constructive desire to improve or build on what is good in and for your country, it is a care extended to everyone who lives and loves within its borders, and those with ties to it. And it carries with it a sense of looking to the future beyond what is good for you. @anon1700133569 and  I have had several conversations about this.

Quite distinct from the chauvenism and violence of Nationalism,  an ideology at the heart of which is the idea that your country/people is somehow special/exceptional. The driving force is a kind of zero sum thinking where you want to further the interests of your own ""people"" at the expense of others. Including compatriots who do not share your zeal, or fit into your, often bigoted, classification of who fits in."
7,64157,2019-11-15T10:41:07.293Z,11518,0,16,15,1,0,0,8.2,64156,anon781457888,anon781457888,"Maybe a good question to ask is: When is patriotism good, and when is it harmful?"
8,64280,2019-11-15T17:40:03.612Z,11518,0,16,15,1,0,0,38.2,64156,anon2979239943,anon781457888,"I have the same distinction in my head as you and @anon1700133569 , which is why I'm keeping an eye on that code. Here's my codebook entry for `patriotism`, which speaks to your distinction: 

**Patriotism** – invivo code, track (because it might be dangerous to assume that patriotism is always ‘bad’, see attachment to home country as possibly the ‘good’ side).

'invivo' meaning that community members using `'patriotism'` have thus far used it only in the negative sense (and haven't chosen to use 'nationalism') -- if community members start to make a distinction, it will show up in the codes (because I'll be sure to code to capture the nuance :) )"
9,64281,2019-11-15T17:42:35.495Z,11518,0,16,15,1,0,0,23.2,64134,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,"I'd say it maps pretty well onto the conundrum people have about either staying to fix a community or just creating communities of their own with (at least to some extent) like-minded people interested in creating the same kind of world. Both are legitimate solutions to problems/coping strategies -- i'm very interested in seeing what the implications of each choice are, particularly in the context of POPREBEL."
10,64282,2019-11-15T17:45:52.708Z,11518,1,16,15,1,0,0,28.2,64134,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,"And, of course, forking can mean leaving in some cases, or it can mean remaining in the same space but focusing energies on something else/reallocating time or efforts. Depends on the context -- like you say, a small project is different from a national political situation.

I think CEU is a decent example of a large institution trying to ask that question, and finding itself choosing the 'leave' answer."
11,64285,2019-11-15T18:15:31.885Z,11518,1,16,15,1,0,0,28.2,64282,anon781457888,anon2979239943,"Another is the ballroom community in the us/ queer communities of people rejected from their homes. 

Related to the topic but also because the remix is dope:

https://youtu.be/DmHd5ZMCdDw"
12,65201,2019-11-22T17:46:25.651Z,11518,2,15,14,2,0,0,38.0,64285,anon2979239943,anon781457888,pinging @anon3353600255 @anon4110936133 @anon919507725 @anon
13,66114,2019-11-28T09:41:50.172Z,11518,0,15,14,1,0,0,23.0,65201,anon3353600255,anon2979239943,"In the Czech forum, the topic that has caught up the most attention has been both physical and mental health-related issues. Not as much in the sense of its general quality and accessibility from the systemic point of view, which is, despite some center-periphery disbalances, considered to be reasonably good and mostly free of charge - rather some deeper structural dysfunctions and issues of approaching patients in the public system are coming to surface. When moving from general to specific level, the members of the community shared certain anxiety stemming from contradictory diagnoses and treatments to which they have been subjected even in the very same institution and they discussed possible ways out: patient empowerment; non-Western medicine; seeking health care abroad; reaching out to their acquaintances-insiders; or paying for their treatment in the private sphere. A related question arose in the terms of the quality of service provided by the immigrant medical workforce - specifically Ukrainian medical staff - where the general picture is quite ambiguous, though not necessarily xenophobic. However, entirely giving up on the public health care is not the preferred solution. It seems to be perceived as an important cornerstone of the welfare and social cohesion, an important item in understanding the post-transitional collective societal identity in the Czech Republic, therefore improvement rather than abandonment is the major issue.

The housing situation is another major problem reflected on the forum, with its current dire inaccessibility for low and middle-income groups, especially in the major cities. The incapability of the political representatives to steer the situation in the direction of adequate solutions has been criticized and community members push for a different conceptualization of the housing itself: they promote a paradigmatic shift from the neoliberal commodified one to understanding housing as a right and basic living necessity. For practical solutions, they look up to the local community-based activism, establishing associations that will continue sketching sustainable long term strategies and revitalization of unused and deteriorating objects with the purpose of creating housing capacities or public spaces. The general bottom-up push is understood as a vehicle of turning the attention on the level of political and administrative agenda from the immobilities market interests to these grassroots movements and precarized groups of tenants.

The third important topic emerging on the platform is environmental issues, which have been gaining overwhelming momentum in the country during the last 6 months. The community members express the need to overcome provincialism and push for understanding the Czech Republic in a wider, global context and contribute to setting the environmental concerns on the top of the agenda. Besides that, they have shared numerous experiences with partaking in community projects related to environmental preservation and communal waste limiting that seem to have slipped under the radar from wider attention, crediting them on the platform."
14,67836,2019-12-21T12:15:52.471Z,11518,1,15,14,1,0,0,28.0,65201,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Hi all!

Newly formatted English codebook is up in the shared drive. It took a while to do this with almost 200 codes, so make sure you convert yours to spreadsheet form sooner rather than later. Reminder that we are all converting to spreadsheet for uniformity @anon4110936133 @anon3353600255 @anon919507725 @anon"
15,69134,2020-01-21T17:55:41.336Z,11518,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,67836,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"Reminder to please reformat those codebooks ASAP. And to update them with codes as you are coding (with definitions as well). Thank you and looking forward to talking again soon. 
@anon3353600255 @anon4110936133 @anon919507725 @anon"
16,72022,2020-03-21T16:27:06.986Z,11518,1,11,10,1,1,0,27.2,64046,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:1, topic:11518""]
There is another question worth exploring, which is: **how do we design events that will be impactful in addressing and acting on actual issues that people face?**
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@anon2979239943 I am re-reading all of this to make my [slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1laNIskn6Lv1BbcITqPMYtdj58BLZHLUL6E67FXv5DV4/edit#slide=id.g719ee5ed25_1_29) for the review meeting. And I wonder: why this emphasis on events? It does not seem consistent with the study's scope."
17,72144,2020-03-23T09:27:58.834Z,11518,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,72022,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,This point comes from coding of one of the stories (that a lot of people participated in and engaged with).
18,72145,2020-03-23T09:29:28.268Z,11518,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,72144,anon2979239943,anon2979239943,"I don’t think it’s out of scope and plan to leave it in case it ends up being a theme , but if you don’t see how it’s relevant at the moment feel free to leave it out of the presentation."
19,72205,2020-03-23T15:49:45.470Z,11518,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,72145,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"OK, noted. My slides are now finished and available [here](https://drive.google.com/open?id=1laNIskn6Lv1BbcITqPMYtdj58BLZHLUL6E67FXv5DV4)."
1,57796,2019-08-09T10:34:49.843Z,10522,0,17,16,14,0,0,103.4,57796,anon4241195410,anon4241195410,"_Toto je rozhovor s mým tátou, který je od roku 1989 ředitelem jedné základní školy v Brně. Udělat s ním tenhle rozhovor bylo pro mě strašně zajímavé a myslím, že i pro něj. Je to pro nás i trochu rozcvička na naši dovolenou ve dvou v Albánii, kterou začínáme tuto středu._
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_This is an interview with my father who has been a director of a primary school in Brno since 1989. Doing this interview with him was an interesting experience for me, and for him I guess. It is also a nice warm up for us before going together to Albania next Wednesday._

_**Co děláš v životě, co je tvoje profese?**_
Učitel. V současnosti ředitel na základní škole, už třicátým rokem, jinak učitel matematiky a dílen.

_**Čeho si na svoji práci nejvíc ceníš a co Tě na ní naopak nejvíc otravuje?**_
Cením si na ní, že jsem neustále s mladými lidmi. Každý den i každá hodina je jiná. I když teď jsem v podstatě manažer a úředník, ale ještě učím, takže je fajn, že to není nějaká rutina. A otravuje mě nedostatek vize tohoto státu pro školství. Žádná strategie tu netrvá déle než třeba rok nebo dva. A samozřejmě velká administrativa a nedostatek financí, takže si nemůžeme moc vybírat kvalitní učitele a taky o každou korunu musíme bojovat přes různé dotace a programy.

_**Změnily se výrazně podmínky pro vaši práci v návaznosti na společensko-politické ovzduší?**_
Náš stát nemá ve vzdělávání koncepci. Koncepci, které by se držel, ať je u moci kterákoli ze stran. Takhle se každý ministr rozkoukává, pak něco teda změní - a je to od stěny ke stěně. 
Takže si nemůžeš nic naplánovat dopředu. Ministerstvo školství není silové ministerstvo a politiky zajímá jenom před volbami, bohužel.

Na druhou stranu je potřeba říct, že se podmínky zlepšují v platech. Samozřejmě to není jenom o penězích, ale ve společnosti člověk má takovou prestiž, jaký bere plat. A když učitel řekne ve třídě, kolik bere peněz, tak se mu děti smějí. Pak na některé předměty člověk musí vzít toho, kdo zaklepe na dveře, protože učitelé prostě nejsou. To se pak samozřejmě odráží na úrovni vzdělávání. 

Hodně se změnilo vybavení škol, tam je obrovský skok dopředu. Je to bohužel ne tolik díky koncepci státu, ale hlavně díky evropským projektům. Třídní kniha, žákovská knížka se děje na elektronické bázi a to je pro všechny nástroj a zjednodušení.

_**Jak se za těch 30 let proměnily děti?**_
Myslím, že děti jsou pořád stejné, akorát teď mají jiné možnosti. Když jsem začínal roku 82, tak se nám učilo jinak, protože nebylo tolik dalších věcí, které ty děti mohly dělat. Nebyly internety, nebyly sociální sítě. Takže děti se snadněji soustředily na školu, dělaly sport, byly venku. A teda nebylo tolik toho nebezpečí a šikany na sociálních sítích.

Taky samozřejmě v současné době učitel nemůže být jen doručitel informací. Teď má hlavně pomoct v orientaci a v tom, kam se tam se to dítě vrtne. Ať je zajímá jakýkoliv obor, tak si může najít na internetu, co potřebuje. Děti teď mají víc možností vzdělávat se zcela sami, - už nemají jenom školu. 

A velká změna je v tom, že rodiče nemají na děti čas. Pak svoje problémy řeší, nebo spíš neřeší, s tím, že: Aaaa za vše může škola; Aaaaa já budu všechno řešit s právníkem. Ono se může zdát, že ty děti jsou drzejší, ale já myslím, že je to spíš  tím, že se učitelé ani děti nemůžou opřít o rodiče.

Ale vracím se zpátky k dětem. Podle mě jsou pořád stejné.

_**Co bys označil za svůj největší profesní úspěch a největší neúspěch. Jestli to jde říct za těch 30 let.**_ 
Já si myslím, že už to je úspěch, že jsem tam těch třicet let. (úsměv) Za úspěch považuji, že ještě pořád po třiceti letech mám, i podle kolegů, nějaké vize a že pořád chci dělat nové věci. Samozřejmě těch věcí bylo víc za těch mnoho let, co se podařilo, ale nemá cenu to vypichovat. Myslím si, že hlavní věc je, že škola je vnímána jako dobrá škola v rámci možná i nějakého širšího Brna. Jako neúspěch beru, že nejsem manažerský důslednější a tvrdší.

_**Teď přeskočím na politiku. Jaké máš ze současného politického vývoje pocity? A máš do budoucna strach, z toho jak to bude dál?**_
Já musím předeslat, že jsem pravicový volič. Vždycky jsem volil ODS. I když měla svoje problémy. Naštvala mě opoziční smlouva. 

Nevadí mi, že volby vyhrálo ANO. Po tom jsem volal, když jsem zvonil klíči, aby byly svobodné volby. Ale myslím si, že ANO nemá žádnou koncepci a že jsou spíš o tom, co zrovna chcou lidi a co je zrovna populární. A vadí mně předseda vlády, který je trestně stíhaný. Mrzí mě, že prezident překračuje své pravomoci dané ústavou. Mám mám strach z toho, že se naše země bude přiklánět k Východu. A že se vzdalujeme z toho demokratického principu, k nějakému pseudo systému, kde si pár lidí bude dělat, co chce.

_**A je tady nějaká schopná nebo silná alternativa ke straně ANO nebo k premiérovi?**_ 
Zatím tam tam nikoho nevidím. Hovoří se o tom, že udělají čtyřkoalici, aby porazili ANO. Už to tady bylo jednou a tehdy to ztroskotalo, protože ty strany se pak nedomluvily. Tak uvidíme.

Bohužel nevidím ani v ODS výraznou opozici. Pana Fialu uznávám jako osobnost - myslím, že je slušný chlap. Ale taky si myslím, že stavět politiku jenom na negování všeho, co řekne Babiš, je taky špatně. Nevidím ani tam žádnou koncepci a nemám rád politiku ve stylu: vy jste to zavedli, tak já to zruším. Bohužel to vypadá, že politický systém je teď o tom, co nějaký šéf charismatický možná i populistický namluví lidem. Lidi nezajímá nějaký program, hlasují podle pocitu a zajímá je nějaký ranař, který všechno zařídí. A já se musím přiznat, že taky moc nečtu ten program. Jsem takový pocitový volič ODS. (úškleb) Je to u mě taky o lenosti si to přečíst. 

Líbí se mi Piráti na celostátní úrovni, mají rozumný názory, ale zatím jsou tam krátce. Komunisty vůbec neřeším, neřeším SPD, to jsou strany pro mě obskurní. 

_**Nakonec otázku na odlehčení: Těšíš se na důchod?**_
Ne, netěším, chtěl bych pracovat co nejdéle, protože vidím v práci smysl. Neříkám, že ve škole, tam to mám ještě na pár let, dá-li Pán Bůh - a starosta. Ale pak by chtěl něco dělat určitě."
2,57834,2019-08-12T08:04:59.713Z,10522,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,57796,anon3593942245,anon4241195410,"Great, I finally saw the interview - the idea was that you would create an account for each person who'd you interviewed (only in cases it's impossible, but the story is great, we'd make exceptions). Since the work also involves guiding people to the platform and showing them how to work, it's part of the challenge. Could you please do it @anon4241195410 ? Then we're good to go :)"
4,70992,2020-03-06T13:22:56.538Z,10522,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,57796,anon3353600255,anon4241195410,@anon2631063041 zkus se podívat sem
1,70423,2020-02-19T19:27:04.074Z,12687,1,10,9,5,0,0,92.0,70423,anon3362966992,anon3362966992,"<image here> 
 
Pozdrav! Zovem se Ivan, i prosvetni sam radnik (ovo bi trebalo da sugeriše da sam klasno osvešćen J). Predajem filozofiju u srednjim školama u Bečeju. Poslednje 2-3 godine posebno sam zainteresovan za kritičko mišljenje kao koncept primene naučne metodologije u svakodnevnom životu. Na faksu sam izučavao pitanja filozofske skepse, one apsolutno sitničave skepse (takoreći, da li živimo u Matriksu?), ali mene sada interesuje pre svega praktična sumnja, uopšte adekvatan pristup informacijama, koji treba da negujemo u svakodnevici – kao potrošači, kao pacijenti, građani, radnici itd. Jasno, ne možemo biti stručnjaci u svakoj oblasti, ne možemo sve znati, ali zato možemo ovladati kritičkim mišljenjem kao odgovarajućim misaonim instrumentima kojima ćemo preispitivati i procenjivati informacije o kojima ne znamo dovoljno.   

Kao prosvetni radnik, svestan sam da formalno, školsko obrazovanje ne doprinosi ni približno usvajanju znanja, veština i navika kritičkog mišljenja kod učenika. Posebno imajući u vidu stanje u kome se naše društvo nalazi, nedovoljnim posvećanon598341349jem kritičkom razmatranju tema poput nacionalizma, patrijarhata, verskog zanesenjaštva, konzumerizma i kapitalizma itd, škola implicitno opravdava neprihvatljivi status quo.   

Otud, ne samo kroz svoje redovne časove, nego i kroz sekciju kritičkog mišljenja čiji su članovi učenici Gimnazije, Tehničke i Ekonomske škole u Bečeju, a i publicistikom, nastojim da dam doprinos obrazovanju lokalne omladine.

Donekle sam svestan da upadam u profesionalnu boljku prosvetnih radnika, svojevrsnu prosvetiteljsku grešku, da smatram da se svaki društveni problem može rešiti obrazovanjem, što svakako nije tačno, naprotiv (istovremeno, i protivrečno!) smatram da društvo samo mora da se menja da bi većina ljudi drugačije razmišljala (iako uvek postoje pojedinci koji nekako uspeju da odole društvenim vetrovima). Ipak, ova profesionalna iluzija je izgleda neophodna, ne samo jer je to moje polje interesa, moj afinitet, već i polje u kome zaista mogu nešto – koliko god to bilo – da uradim."
2,70446,2020-02-20T08:19:18.580Z,12687,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,70423,anon2446385507,anon3362966992,"Pozdrav Ivane, dobrodošao u našu malu i rastuću zajednicu, ja sam anon2649858692mi, a bio sam prošle godine u Bečeju na radionici koju je organizovao @anon3346229079. Mislim da se nismo upoznali.

Moja mama je takođe učiteljica - predaje računarske nauke u Cluj, Rumunija. Ali ona je veoma zadovoljna svojim poslom, jer je generacija kada je ovo bila vrlo jasna putanja karijere, pa ljudi ne bi očekivali da će postići više. Njeno najveće zadovoljstvo je kada učenici odlaze na olimpijade i pokažu strast i talenat na tom polju.

Šta biste voleli da vidite u Bečeju da biste bili zadovoljniji svojim okruženjem?"
3,70462,2020-02-20T19:37:04.104Z,12687,0,9,8,1,1,0,21.8,70423,anon3346229079,anon3362966992,"Dobro dosao Ivane :slight_smile:
 
[quote=""anon3362966992, post:1, topic:12687""]
Posebno imajući u vidu stanje u kome se naše društvo nalazi, nedovoljnim posvećanon598341349jem kritičkom razmatranju tema poput nacionalizma, patrijarhata, verskog zanesenjaštva, konzumerizma i kapitalizma itd, škola implicitno opravdava neprihvatljivi status quo.
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Nadam se da cemo moci odgovoriti donekle na tu stvarnu (ali ne uvijek ociglednu) potrebu naseg drustva, tebi omoguciti veci impakt ili bar doprinjeti koliko mozemo i kroz aktivnosti centra za inovacije.

[quote=""anon3362966992, post:1, topic:12687""]
da smatram da se svaki društveni problem može rešiti obrazovanjem, što svakako nije tačno, naprotiv (istovremeno, i protivrečno!) smatram da društvo samo mora da se menja da bi većina ljudi drugačije razmišljala
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Lijepo si to slozio, znanje je kamen temeljac svega ali takodje nema evolucije bez promjena a nema promjena bez kretanja...kretanja tijela i kretanja uma ili duha."
4,70499,2020-02-24T11:29:44.912Z,12687,0,8,7,1,0,0,36.6,70446,anon3362966992,anon2446385507,"Fin pozdrav, anon2649858692mi! To je opšte mesto, ali, svejedno - voleo bih da postoji više, mnogo više samoorganizovanja ljudi u Bečeju, ne samo mladih. Naša sredina je atomizirana, uostalom i čitavo društvo, i nedovoljno je ""molekula"" koji nas ovako izolovane spajaju. anon3839296096nira nekoliko molekula (nezgrapna mi je ova hemijska metafora, ali ajde :slight_smile:  ): politika, crkva, određeni specifični ekonomski interesi - koji su često spoljašnji, otuđeni, i samo stvaraju privid zajednice. Ali to je svakako kompleksnije pitanje, pa da rekapituliram - voleo bih više  samoorganizovanja, slobodnog udružanon598341349ja po raznim osnovama, mnogo više društvenog aktivizma."
1,64651,2019-11-19T11:11:44.999Z,11635,0,15,14,15,0,0,108.0,64651,anon47544591,anon47544591,"Pozdrav svima,

rodjen u Beceju, tu sam i odrastao, ozenio se, dobio dvoje dece (kcerku i sina).Preduzetnik sam, uspesno sam razvio porodicni biznis. Imamo vise  vremena da provedemo zajedno kao familija. Polazak u preduzetnistvo je jako velika zivotna skola. Ja sam, kao i svi u pocetku, napravio mnoge greske. Greske se desavaju, svaki dan ucimo i to je za mene normalno...to je ciklus zivota i neizbezan proces.

Veliki problem je odlazak mladih iz Srbije. Eto mnogi iz Beceja odlaze u Madjarsku, a ja znam da iz Madjarske mladi odlaze dalje na zapad takodje. Nazalost, niko mladima ne govori kako je stvarno tamo na zapadu i ne pricaju o problemima koje tamo srecu. Mnogi zive i u gorim uslovima nego u Srbiji ali ne zele o tome pricati. Mozda bi kad bi znali sta ih sve ceka nanon3760934795ju odlucili i ostati u kuci. Bio sam clan izvrsnog odbora udruzenja preduzetnika. Tako sam dosao u kontakt sa udruzenjima iz civilnog sektora (pre vise od deset godina). Tako sam se nasao u jednom drustvu (bilo je nas 8) koje je zelelo uciniti nesto dobro za svoj grad, sto je bila i moja zelja. Osnovali smo udruzenje i krenuli sa radom. Podrzavali smo jedan drugoga i radili kao ekipa, to nam je bilo jako vazno i omogucilo nam da guramo napred.Resili smo da predjemo na edukaciju i vrlo brzo smo dosli do pozitivnih rezultata, pocele su nas zvati skole sve vise i bili su zadovoljni. Od 8 osnivaca udruzenja ostala su samo 3, ostali su otisli u inostranstvo. Na zalost nisu imali energije vise i strpljenja da sacekaju da stvari krenu na bolje. U medjuvremenu smo naravno dobili mnoge nove clanove a ja sam postao neka vrsta voditelja udruzenja. Ekologija i iskoristenje obnovljivih materijala nije moja struka ali jeste strast i vazna tema za sve nas. Imamo samo jednu zemlju, ona nam daje sve tako da je odgovornost svih nas da se brinemo o njoj.Mi u Srbiji imamo zakone za zastitu okoline ali nazalost u Srbiji se ti zakoni ne postuju niti drzava gura. Cesto firme gledaju da ustede na tome i drzava im gleda kroz prste. Udruzujemo se sa drugim udruzenjima koja za misiju imaju ocuvanje prirode (zelena stolica, prisustvuju u skupstini u Srbiji ali bez ucestvovanja osim ako nije pitanje direktno vezano za ocuvanje okoline). Ministri cak imaju obavezu da nas saslusaju, ali niko nema obavezu da nesto i uradi po tom pitanju.
Ako mi guramo fabrike da ugrade filtere na primer, oni ce da daju otkaze ljudima da nadoknade troskove vezane za ugradjanon598341349je filtera. Na kraju je regulacija na jako niskom nivou da se zadrze radna mesta.Takodje mi nemamo posebno ministarstvo za zastitu prirode. Taj deo je uvek prikljucen nekom drugom ministarstvu, oni se kao bave zastitom prirode ali u praksi se to ostavlja sa strane. Svi znaju da problem postoji ali niko ne nudi resenje.

Postoje takodje razna resenja za vecu efikasnost, iskoristivost otpadnih materijala. Mogli bi da iskoristavamo bio otpad za stvaranje komposta i to prodajemo. U okolini ne postoji takvo postrojenje. Mi u Vojvodini nemamo adekvatan vetro zastitni sloj zemlje, tako da tu plodnu zemlju vetar raznosi drugde. Mogli bi da sadimo drvece da to sprecimo ali to se ne radi.

 Zelim da na radionici bude isto prakticnih primera sto se sve moze napraviti. S obzirom da je jedna od tema kreativnost, mi mozemo da vam pokazemo sta je sve moguce napraviti od materijala koje drugi ljudi bacaju. Nemam specificna ocekanon598341349ja, ako mogu da pomognem i doprinesem na neki nacin ja cu to rado uciniti. Videcu kako ce se stvari odvijati u Beceju pa cemo da vidimo kako cemo dalje. Ja imam par predloga ali to cemo ostaviti za posle<image here> 
"
2,64718,2019-11-19T16:45:45.911Z,11635,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,64651,anon2614214130,anon47544591,"Hvala na prici i dobrodosli u zajednicu!
Hvala Vam i za Vasa zalaganja.
Ovo je tema koja se uskoro nece vise moci zaobilaziti. Ne znam ni kad ni kako ce se to resavati ali znam da to nije razlog da mi vec sada ne radimo na tome.
Drago mi je sto cemo se upoznati u petak!
Pozdrav!"
3,66790,2019-12-03T13:25:33.102Z,11635,2,12,11,1,0,0,62.4,64651,anon677212598,anon47544591,"Ćao @anon47544591
Ekologija je veoma bitna tema za sve ljude na svetu, te bih se priključio diskusiji ovde iako sam video da postoji odeljak o radionicama u Bečeju.
Hteo bih da podelim neka saznanja, zapažanja i mišljenja na temu ekologije. Možda već i imaš neke od ovih informacija o kojima ću pisati. Fokus je na Srbiji. :slight_smile:
 Reciklaža: pošto ona spada u delatnost privatnog sektora i relativno je nova grana u industriji, u Srbiji je na mnogo niskom nivou. Možda najznačajnija 2 razloga: 1. Potreba za dozvolom za transport otpada koje izdaje Ministarstvo čega god. Poljoprivrede i ekologije? :confused: Ta dozvola se ne dobija lako iako je reč o neopasnom otpadu i često repromaterijalu raznih proizvodnji. Neki je ne dobiju u opšte, pa je to najveća prepreka što npr. mala udruženja ne mogu ni da počnu da sakupljaju otpad i legalno prevoze, a da ne pričam koliki je problem firmama koje imaju škart a ne uspevaju da dobiju dozvolu. Naravno ima tu još papirologije/birokratije kao i za razne druge preduzetničke aktivnosti. 2. Netransformisana javna komunalna preduzeća. Nije poenta samo da skupe i bace na deponiju, već umesto na deponiju da kad sakupe otpad, da ga klasifikuju donekle oanon3121054521e i postanu snabdevač industrije. To se radi tako što bi svi građani kod kuće počeli klasifikaciju. Ko klasfikuje plati malo ko sve smulja na gomili plati veću cenu računa. I to sam rešio! :smiley:  Na žalost nemamo nigde proizvodnju stakla npr. A staklo je jedan od veoma zahvalnih materijala što se tiče reciklaže, a zbog hemijske postojanosti koristan materijal. Njega je mnogo bolje reciklirati nego praviti. Isto je i sa šutom koji može da se reciklira u neki nov građevinski materijal... Naravno, svaki proizvod ili poluproizvod ima neku specifičnost i isplativost u ponovnoj proizvodnji, pa sad ne bih različitim materijalima.
Što se tiče prelaska na čistije i obnovljive izvore energije, mislim da tu nema puno da se priča jer je jasno da opet država kroz politike to treba da i finansira i podstiče dobrim pravnim okvirom.
E sad, moj fah. Rešenje za industrije koja zagađuje. Priča o filterima ili postrojenjima za preradu tečnog otpada (organskog ili neorganskog) je po meni bezveze, jer nigde niko na svetu nije nekog naterao da troši na stvari koje ne donose profit. Ima i dobrih primera firmi koje ne zagađuju, naravno. Nema tog zakona, inspekcije ili kazne koji će biti uspešni. Po meni su tu 2 rešenja. Prvo, industrijske zone treba da imaju neku vrstu javno-komunalnog postrojenja koje će obrađivati otpadne vode. Sprovedu se cevovodi od svake firme do tog postrojenja i svi plaćaju nešto tu uslugu. Drugo, možda i bolje, da se daju subvencije firmama kako bi od generisanog otpada pravile nov proizvod ili poluproizvod. Npr. industrija hrane bi od svojih nusproduanon3213561856a mogla u nekim reaktorima ili kako god da pravi kompost. 
Oprema za tretman voda je poslednjih godina postala veoma dostupna te postoji sijaset proizđača i firmi koje instaliraju postrojenja, te je greota čak i prerađenu čistu vodu prosipati nazad u prirodu. Bukvalno ima mogućnost i da se mineralizuje koliko treba i da se vrati npr. u vodovod za ponovnu upotrebu ili da recirkuliše u samom postrojenju.
Posebno dobra stvar kod kanalizacija je što pri takvom tretmanu voda može da se skuplja i izmet i dobija metan. 
Zaključak tj. šta da se radi?
Sva zelena udruženja moraju da se uključe u lokalne politike ali na državnom nivou i bukvalno da traže da se novac usmerava na ekološke projekte i transformaciju komunalnih preduzeća i ukidaju monopolistički i štetni zakoni. Širenje svesti i poneka akcija skupšljanja bačene plastike nemaju nikakvog efekta. Znači, ne samo edukacija dece već edukacija i promovisanje politika odraslima i donosiocima odluka. Mislim da su na taj način i nastale zelene stranke jer je tema mnogo bitna a traži velike ljudske i materijalne resurse, a onda se godinama čekaju rezultati. Svestan sam da je to teško i da nam je okvir za političko delovanje blago rečeno u kurcu, s oproštenjem. :slight_smile: .. ali nema planete B. :) 
Slodno me cimajte ako mislite da mogu da pomgnem vezano za tehnologiju ili obrazovanje.
Pozdrav iz Srema ;)"
4,66874,2019-12-04T13:22:15.683Z,11635,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,66790,anon3346229079,anon677212598,"Hvala Dusane :slight_smile:

To mi izgleda kao rjesenja koja traze malo vise vremena. Da li mislis da je moguce da se na manjoj skali to pocne raditi i pokazati prakticnost i ekonomska isplativost?

[quote=""anon677212598, post:3, topic:11635""]
1. Potreba za dozvolom za transport otpada koje izdaje Ministarstvo čega god. Poljoprivrede i ekologije? :confused: Ta dozvola se ne dobija lako iako je reč o neopasnom otpadu i često repromaterijalu raznih proizvodnji.
[/quote]

Kako je zakonski definisan otpad? Siguran sam da se moze zaobici taj problem na manjem projektu kroz stvaranje kreativnog procesa :slight_smile:. 

[quote=""anon677212598, post:3, topic:11635""]
Ko klasfikuje plati malo ko sve smulja na gomili plati veću cenu računa. I to sam rešio!
[/quote]
Da, tako je na zapadu. Na primjer, vrece za mjesani otpad kostaju 20 evra 10 komada a vrece za samo plastiku su 2 evra 20 komada :slight_smile:. Ljudi automatski da ustede gledaju da base sto vise plastike mogu u plasticne vrece da ne trose vise."
5,66893,2019-12-04T16:13:09.686Z,11635,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,66874,anon677212598,anon3346229079,"Uf. Pa može, ako bi imali zaokruženu proizvodnju koja bi davala gotov proizvod daleko skuplji od samog materijala. Npr. neka 3d štampa i neke cnc mašine + ekstruderi... U suštini nije čak toliko problem da neko u lokalu prevozi već je problem cena tog prevoženja - gorivo, koje predstavlja značajan trošak. 
Evo male priče iz sela zvano Belegiš: pre 6-7 godina neka ekipa ljudi je registrovala udruženje koje bi se prvenstveno bavilo pitanjem ekologije. Glavna akcija im je bila da sakupe otpad sa obale Dunava i u selu da očiste prljava mesta. Dosta ljudi im se priključilo, osnovci, lovci i neki meštani. Par puta su jednom nedeljno sakupljali plastiku koju su im meštani ostavljali ispred kuća. Mada velika većina nije. Kako su sakupili puno plastike morali su da je ispresuju. Kupili su malu polovnu presu za npr 700 eur. I ona im se isplatila za 2 t presane plastike, jer presana plastika je tada imala vrednost oko 350 eur/t. Pošto su sve radili volonterski i potrošili i svoje novce za funkcionisanje i pokretanje posla, a sav novac koji im je ostao dali su školi, tj kupili su đacima sportsku opremu i ne sećam se za šta su još nešto novca potrošili. Uglavnom nisu dugo trajali iz raznih razloga, te u suštini na nekom lokalnom nivou može donekle biti isplativo taman da udruženje bude održivo tj. da finasira svoje delovanje."
6,66895,2019-12-04T16:21:02.913Z,11635,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,66893,anon3346229079,anon677212598,"Svidja mi se ta ideja, tako nesto sam imao na umu. Lakse izvodivo za poceti a mi cemo probati napraviti bolji poslovni plan...odrziviji :slight_smile:. To je najvaznija stvar da projeanon3213561856 opstane."
7,66909,2019-12-04T18:22:30.398Z,11635,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,66895,anon677212598,anon3346229079,Stojim na raspolaganju za nalaženje rešenja. :star_struck:
8,69853,2020-02-04T19:02:40.562Z,11635,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,66790,anon1097276766,anon677212598,"Dušane svaka ti je na mestu.

 I imamo mnogo o čemu da govorimo. Naravno istina je da mora da postoji dobra volja donosioca odluka koja je neretko potstaknuta nekim finansijskim poklonom ako se razumemo. Avaj ono o čemu razmišljamo već neko vreme, bar što se tiče te priče otpada, jeste integracija udruženja sa operaterom koji ima dozvole, i u kooperaciji sa CSR timovima većih firmi iz industrijske zone doći to tog nekog održivog modela - oni nama otpad kao donaciju mi operateru otpad preko preduzeća osnovanog samo za tu svrhu, operater plaća cenu otpada preduzeću, a preduzeće donira udruženju. Tako nekako. Ima posla da se razradi. Posedećemo na kafi pa ispričati taj deo. :D 

Što se energetskog sektora tiče ima taj ZEZ model - zelene energetske zadruge, već probano u HR i ovde u RS u Šapcu. Izguglaj pa reci šta misliš. 
Sa primerima dobre prakse i zelenim ekonomskim modelima možemo menjati lokalne politike u smeru koji mi ovde želimo, jer tako naravno donosi keš i opštini i NGO.
Win win situacija. 
Cimajte slobodno ako šta treba
Mladen Inđijativa"
9,69962,2020-02-07T08:33:50.031Z,11635,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,69853,anon677212598,anon1097276766,"Ćao Mladene,
Sad sam baš gledao šta je ZEZ model i nije mi baš jasno... Kapiram samo da su ljudi uz novčanu podršku nekih fondova dobili novce za solarne panele? Ili dobijaju novac za sve što ima veze sa zelenim idejama? Ako je ideja umrežiti se sa ekipom iy Zagreba pa tražiti grantove za proizvodnju zelene E ili neku reciklažu, onda je to dobra ideja . :) 
Svakako mogli bi se videte na kafičajpivuvinu da li u St Pazovi ili Inđiji. ;)"
10,69973,2020-02-07T11:09:39.621Z,11635,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,69962,anon1097276766,anon677212598,"Ne baš ali slično. Pravi se neka vrsta investicionog fonda, i tu ubacuje novac ko god želi. Skupi se određena suma dovoljna da se projeanon3213561856 odradi, i korisnik projekta tj ti koji su dobili panele plaćaju sledećih nekoliko godina struju kao što su dosad kako bi isplatili investitore sa određenom vrstom male kamate. Nakon tog perioda njima ostaje solarno postrojenje a investitori izlaze sa malim profitom. Win win situacija. samo treba proveriti čitavu finansijsku pozadinu procesa - porezi, dodatne naknade ... I tako na različitim lokacijama pripremaš teren kada počne distribucija da otkupljuje struju iz viška , a to će se kad tad desiti. Projektom od fondova EU uz pomoć edgerydersa možemo odraditi analizu i osnovati neku vrstu socijalnog preduzeća koje će nalaziti potencijalne klijente i uvoditi ih u sistem. Zaposliti par ljudi. Bukvalno biti posrednik i vršiti monitoring da sve ide kako treba. MOgu da ti razrađujem ovde ideju još 3 sata tako da trebamo neki sastanak ili skype svi koji bi ovo radili :D"
11,69990,2020-02-07T19:28:59.187Z,11635,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,69973,anon3346229079,anon1097276766,"Odlicna ideja, samoodrziv je projeanon3213561856 i po poslovonm planu...total win win!"
1,54567,2019-06-05T08:32:18.427Z,10078,1,24,23,30,0,0,264.8,54567,anon1443929773,anon1443929773,"anon1443929773 Thomey is my name, I was born in Dülmen in North-West Germany. I work as a freelance journalist in Berlin, and in the last 2-3 years I started cooperating with a network called The Dive (thedive.com), just around the corner from where I live. What they do is development of organisations. The keyword is &lsquo;new work&rsquo;, where you can find new methods of working together, or of organising oneself. I did a lot of PR work for them, but left last year in June. One of the colleagues there, Benedikt is now leaving, and that&rsquo;s why the project is ending..

https://www.badstrasse-quartier.de/images/Fotos/2018/10_Oktober/dive/IMG_3304.jpg

**He and I had this conversation about how beautiful our neighborhood is, were it not for the waste in the streets. We have decided we are going to clean up once a week. To make it realistic, we said we take 30mins. We did it for quite some time, before lunch, Mondays and Tuesdays, and always had quite some bags of waste, but also people joining us.**

We talked to the cafes in the street, with a dance event place for contemporary dance workshops, and with neighborhood management.

You have a lot of unemployed, junkies around in our neighborhood. You only notice it some of the streets, with so much waste lying around. We realised what was necessary was deeper work. It&rsquo;s about education, going into the schools and the homes of people, involving them in getting a feeling for their own environment, and not stopping at their doorstep.

We also realised they have other problems and it&rsquo;s hard to have this particular awareness.

What we did next was to talk to an elementary school with a lot of Capri-Sun bags around it (famous lemonade drink in small plastic bags). We thought maybe it&rsquo;s also the kids we should be talking to. We got in contact with teachers, who were very open to cooperate with us.

There was this local [waste organisation in Berlin](http://nebenan.de) who is responsible from the City, they have a small initiative where people say &lsquo;I want to clean up&rsquo; and they give you the tools to work with. It&rsquo;s a mini facebook for your neighborhood and you log in and ask for help, ask for tools etc. A digital form of community management.

We announced cleanups in whatsapp and slack, for The Dive and in the end where quite a big group:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7GMyQFkm-8

That was our last big cleaning action. After that, Benedikt and I had a talk. We had really enjoyed the work with everybody who got involved, but the network that we were coming from wasn&rsquo;t as involved as we would have needed them to be. There was little response, and a not equal situation because Benedikt was fully employed there and I did the whole project pro bono. It didn&rsquo;t work for me: either we do it both for free, or both get paid. We said we take a rest and get together after winter.

When I realised that we weren&rsquo;t gonna continue (we both ended up leaving the company meanwhile), I was thinking of who can I continue the work - but there isn&rsquo;t anyone in the neighborhood that I know who has the time or is on eye level with me, whom I can work with.

**The approach we had was &lsquo;don&rsquo;t complain and do it yourself&rsquo;.**

The waste project was solving different issues: on one side, the City is responsible for cleanup in a different way, not so efficiently, and on the other hand, the people living here don&rsquo;t know about the spaces where they can leave that trash or they just don&rsquo;t give a shit. Those are the two poles, don&rsquo;t know or don&rsquo;t feel responsible. I think that if we had done it longer and kept going, we would have gotten to the point to say okay, we need change on a broader level. For example, for the [Quartiersmanagement ](https://www.badstrasse-quartier.de/quartiersmanagement/artikel/349-ein-riesenstaubsauger-fuer-den-kiez)a clean neighborhood is top concern this year, they have subsidies and you can get money if you apply.

**I learned about how much work it is, this community work. Finding the motivation again and again is the most difficult part. That work is Sisyphus.** You have to do it every couple of days. I have great respect for those who do this all the time, you need to have a lot of intrinsic motivation. You&rsquo;re either not paid at all, or paid very badly. It&rsquo;s not about the money though. I really enjoyed getting in contact with the people, now I feel more connected with where I live. I hardly knew the school, the cafe before."
2,54774,2019-06-09T17:08:55.199Z,10078,0,18,17,1,1,0,83.6,54567,anon95046639,anon1443929773,"[quote=""anon1443929773, post:1, topic:10078""]
The approach we had was ‘don’t complain and do it yourself’.
[/quote]

That's great @anon1443929773! Thank you very much for sharing your story.

Maybe you would like to have a look at this speculative future project and apply your insights to it?:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/welcome-to-retirement/9869"
3,69232,2020-01-23T13:26:39.790Z,10078,1,10,9,1,0,0,57.0,54567,anon4241898850,anon1443929773,"Great initiative!
Sometimes municipalities support such plans by providing grabs, garbage bags and so on. In my small village near Stuttgart (Baden-Württemberg), there is a ""Kreisputzete"" at least once in a year. It's announced publicly and people meet an run hicking trails or along streams to collect rubbish. The material is provided and when the work is finished they all have supper together. So it's not just cleaning up but also connecting people."
4,69380,2020-01-26T14:23:43.550Z,10078,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,69232,anon95046639,anon4241898850,That sounds quite nice @anon4241898850. Have you been able to participate there?
5,69382,2020-01-26T14:49:43.358Z,10078,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,54567,anon4241898850,anon1443929773,"Not yet, due to some problems with my hip @anon95046639. But I will offer my help preparing supper. Hope they need help. Maybe this can  be my contribution to a lively community. :-)"
6,69412,2020-01-27T12:47:46.086Z,10078,1,9,8,1,0,0,56.8,69380,anon4241898850,anon95046639,"Meanwhile I called the organizers. Supper will be arranged by the volunteer fire brigade in town.  No help needed. But nevertheless, a very good initiative and I'm not quite sure, if I had had this call without ""Care for the neighborhood"". :-)"
7,69440,2020-01-27T16:48:37.145Z,10078,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,69412,anon95046639,anon4241898850,"@anon4241898850, I am happy you had a good call with them and were inspired to take the initiative. :) Have a wonderful day!"
1,65747,2019-11-25T17:47:04.926Z,11908,2,15,14,9,0,0,103.0,65747,anon2867672406,anon2867672406,"The engagement and community management teams are doing a [stellar job of eliciting interesting content](/t/11652). This phase of the work implied doing so via a plurality of channels: no longer just the online platform, which people find via web search or social media, but also targeted exchanges like interviews and physical events. 

Our main process for acquiring informed consent to participating in research goes through a consent funnel. This is a little piece of code that will not let users of edgeryders.eu post unless they answer correctly to some simple questions, aimed at making sure they do not harm themselves by sharing information that should be confidential. This was received well by the evaluators of our proposal, and it continues to be in place. However, these new channels for acquiring content do *not* go through the usual process of signing up for an Edgeryders account and then posting, so they do not go through the consent funnel either.

There seem to be three of them:

* Physical events. In the case of [this one](/t/11699) (not a POPREBEL one), @anon781457888 explained what the event was for at the very beginning; to protect people's privacy, participants were asked not to take pictures and to respect Chatham House rules. 
* Interviews. I imagine there are email exchanges where people are asked to be interviewed, they consent etc.
* Forms for pre-signup posting. @anon1700133569 has sketched this process [here](/t/10293/15). 
* Others?

I would like to document our process for acquiring informed consent in each of these cases. Once this is done, I will get in touch with our ethics advisors (Alberto Alemanno for POPREBEL) and request their advice. I have started [a wiki](/t/11904) to collect this information. It lives on the platform, rather than in a ad hoc document, because I think it should be part of every Edgeryders project. 

Can you please help me to do that, @anon2446385507, @anon781457888, @anon

Also ping @anon3379710332."
2,65754,2019-11-25T18:46:01.158Z,11908,1,16,15,1,1,0,13.2,65747,anon1700133569,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:1, topic:11908""]
@anon1700133569 has sketched this process [here](/t//10293/15).
[/quote]

That looks wrong, could you check the link?"
3,65766,2019-11-25T20:01:35.426Z,11908,1,15,14,3,0,0,68.0,65747,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"Regarding the interviews in person, indeed, whenever I ask someone to tell me their story, I first inform them that this text will be used as part of the research, and it will be available on an open platform, and the person can get access to it and delete it, if they want to, at any point. I also stress the possibility of staying anonymous, so that they can disclose as much as they feel comfortable with.

And at the end, when the talk is transcribed, I would send it to the person for a review - with a deadline - to make sure everything is done correctly."
4,65770,2019-11-25T20:49:34.132Z,11908,0,15,14,2,0,0,13.0,65754,anon2867672406,anon1700133569,"Link corrected, sorry."
5,65858,2019-11-26T13:07:10.379Z,11908,1,14,13,2,1,0,17.8,65747,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:1, topic:11908""]
Interviews. I imagine there are email exchanges where people are asked to be interviewed, they consent etc.
[/quote]

Yes. Example: for the 2 interviews Tamara did in Serbia where she created accounts for people and posted their stories, we printed out the consent form and they signed it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jF64XYYtwgcn73HvQbzgdzRZcf6cr0sXwYd0lfqu64Y/edit"
6,66155,2019-11-28T11:23:04.848Z,11908,1,14,13,1,1,0,12.8,65766,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
[...] whenever I ask someone to tell me their story, I first inform them that this text will be used as part of the research, and it will be available on an open platform, and the person can get access to it and delete it, if they want to, at any point. [...]

And at the end, when the talk is transcribed, I would send it to the person for a review - with a deadline - to make sure everything is done correctly.
[/quote]


@anon"
7,66156,2019-11-28T11:24:21.656Z,11908,1,14,13,1,1,0,12.8,65858,anon2867672406,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:5, topic:11908""]
we printed out the consent form and they signed it
[/quote]

Great! Where are those forms? We should probably keep them in the office. Can I get hold of them?"
8,66178,2019-11-28T12:23:30.792Z,11908,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,66155,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"No, the consent was always given in person, and neither I have the emails still. I wasnt aware of the need to collect them."
9,66184,2019-11-28T12:45:05.035Z,11908,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,66178,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"But, @anon"
10,66186,2019-11-28T12:56:50.540Z,11908,2,13,12,1,0,0,32.6,65747,anon781457888,anon2867672406,"For our content that is not posted directly on the platform via the register.edgeryders.eu or listen.edgeryders.eu or directly by the person who already has an account on edgeryders we have a four step process:

1. Person is contacted by email with invitation to join us at the workshop on AI & Justice with link to the event page which contains an FAQ footer explaining that it is part of an EC funded project with grant number 
2. Person is interviewed
3. Transcript is posted in a closed workspace on the platform (in lightly edited version to remove uhms and duuh sounds, connecting sentences etc. No words not uttered by person are edited into text.
4. Individual is helped to create an account,
5. Individual is then added manually to the group which has access to the closed workspace
6. Once added they have access to an editable wiki containing the transcript and are free to edit it directly
7. Once they are happy with it, they let us know and ownership of post is changed to them and then pushed out of the private workspace into the public forum.

Now we are following same process with the notes from the AI & Justice workshop."
11,66191,2019-11-28T13:01:35.322Z,11908,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,66186,anon781457888,anon781457888,ok so 7 step not four lol
12,66193,2019-11-28T13:05:36.039Z,11908,1,13,12,1,1,0,12.6,66186,anon2867672406,anon781457888,"[quote=""anon781457888, post:10, topic:11908""]
Once they are happy with it, they let us know
[/quote]


How does this step happen? They let you know by email?"
13,66197,2019-11-28T13:14:23.913Z,11908,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,66193,anon781457888,anon2867672406,on the platform - usually as a comment on the actual wiki itself or via dm or via email.
14,66206,2019-11-28T13:52:14.890Z,11908,2,12,11,1,0,0,17.4,66184,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"Indeed, but i also clean my mail quite often.

We did the same with OpenCare, and in that case i created most of the accounts and published stories on behalf of the interviewees but there was no requirement for me to collect their consent. I could probably try to do that retroactively, but it would take quite some time. Let me know."
15,66324,2019-11-29T12:58:40.573Z,11908,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,66156,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"Yes, there is 1 page (green paper signed by both the 2 people Tamara interviewed). I put it in the ResNet folder."
16,66640,2019-12-02T13:16:32.362Z,11908,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,66206,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
Let me know.
[/quote]


Could we maybe start with a list of the people in this situation?"
17,66673,2019-12-02T15:18:24.388Z,11908,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,66640,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"yes, i will"
18,68247,2020-01-06T15:22:56.273Z,11908,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,66673,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hello Alberto, sorry this took so long, here are the stories that I will have difficulties to get consent for now, or it will be impossible (in the Czech case)

https://edgeryders.eu/t/wazne-ze-jest-sie-dobrym-czlowiekiem/10357
https://edgeryders.eu/t/prague-is-great-theres-nothing-much-to-improve-here/10381/2
https://edgeryders.eu/t/id-rather-vote-right-wing-but-theres-nobody-to-vote-for/10380/4
https://edgeryders.eu/t/o-przemocy-i-zyciu-na-lekach-za-najnizsza-krajowa/10415"
19,68255,2020-01-06T15:54:06.389Z,11908,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,68247,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"Thanks, @anon"
20,68256,2020-01-06T15:58:04.339Z,11908,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,68255,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,That's exactly the case
21,68264,2020-01-06T16:24:37.065Z,11908,0,11,10,2,0,0,12.2,68256,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"Hmm. This is not very ethical... :frowning: OK, we take them down."
22,68267,2020-01-06T16:37:52.292Z,11908,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,65747,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,This was exactly the same as with open care
23,68268,2020-01-06T16:38:03.156Z,11908,1,10,9,1,1,0,12.0,66206,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
We did the same with OpenCare, and in that case i created most of the accounts and published stories on behalf of the interviewees but there was no requirement for me to collect their consent.
[/quote]

Of course there was the requirement. We even went through a painful process of recovering  the consent following a bug that had blocked the ethical funnel, we informed the ethics advisor, etc. etc."
24,68269,2020-01-06T16:39:15.155Z,11908,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,68268,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"Of course I did have their consent, it was just to speed things up"
25,68270,2020-01-06T16:42:48.325Z,11908,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,68269,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"I know you did! But the thing is, we cannot *prove* you did. This will not fly in case of a third-party verification. Anyway, we will simply connect all the evidence on what we did, then explain the whole thing to our ethics advisor (Alberto Alemanno for POPREBEL) and do what he tells us to do. If he is cool with everything we did, we keep everything."
26,68271,2020-01-06T16:45:39.162Z,11908,2,10,9,1,0,0,17.0,68270,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"Great! If you want, I can then try to collect the agreements again for the Polish story, the last one - its a friend of a friend. Just let me know what consent would they need to sign now."
27,68274,2020-01-06T16:50:27.634Z,11908,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,65747,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"In case of the Czechs, all we can do is that Kuba and Jirka were also there so they could confirm there was an agreement. In the second Polish case, it was Mikoman's talk on the street so no way to find the lady again."
28,68275,2020-01-06T17:03:52.843Z,11908,0,10,9,2,0,0,12.0,68271,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"Well, these cases are tricky. Because, when we look at it in the software, we see a normal user, that has gone through the normal ethical funnel. But what happened instead is that *you* created that user, and went through the ethical funnel on their behalf. 

For physical events, anon2649858692mi has used [this paper form](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jF64XYYtwgcn73HvQbzgdzRZcf6cr0sXwYd0lfqu64Y/edit). An email with the same content would also work, ideally addressed to you, cc to anon2649858692mi (edgeryders address). The email would say  
> * I understand you use my content for research
> * I have considered the risks involved in sharing my views and alignment online, where others (such as the government or my employer) could access them. I feel in this context they are tolerable.
> * I understand the discussion on edgeryders.eu as an exchange of views. I will not use it to disclose sensitive information about myself, such as my credit card number."
29,68276,2020-01-06T17:06:02.853Z,11908,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,68274,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
In case of the Czechs, all we can do is that Kuba and Jirka were also there so they could confirm there was an agreement. In the second Polish case, it was Mikoman’s talk on the street so no way to find the lady again.
[/quote]

An external auditor would not doubt us, but believe them. For her, we are all POPREBEL; she would only believe the person herself. However, this is a different case, in a way similar to participant observation. How does consent to research work in this case, @anon2979239943?"
30,68474,2020-01-09T13:00:04.678Z,11908,2,11,10,1,0,0,17.2,68276,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,"You have to have documentation of formal consent in anthropological research if you've interviewed someone. If you have permission from your ethical body to waive written consent (in favour of oral consent) -- I did this in my research because the physical written consent document would be the only thing tying the participant to their name --- then you can go that route, but you as the researcher still have to have documentation of the date and time of formal oral consent. Since you're not anonymising participants, written consent in this situation would normally be required. Regardless, this has to be arranged beforehand with the ethical body and with research participants. 

As a researcher, you really know the difference between informed consent or not in your practice, formal ethical rules aside. Did they know when you were talking to them what you were going to use their contributions for, how they would be made public (and to what audience), and how their name would be attached to that contribution? Do they have continuous access to that information and the ability to request it be removed (up to a certain reasonable time in the future, which you agreed with them?) Did you clearly explain to them these arrangements and did they clearly indicate that they understood? Do they have the ability to contact you and someone above you in charge of overseeing your ethical conduct?  Can you prove that you can ensure their data will only be used for the purposes they agreed?

If you did this and can show it, then you're good. Otherwise, you can't really ethically use the contribution."
31,68480,2020-01-09T13:27:48.559Z,11908,0,11,10,1,1,0,7.2,68474,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"[quote=""anon2979239943, post:30, topic:11908""]
If you did this and can show it, then you’re good. Otherwise, you can’t really ethically use the contribution.
[/quote]


@anon"
32,68614,2020-01-12T09:55:57.465Z,11908,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,68474,anon3593942245,anon2979239943,"This is very important, thank you - in my case, the conditions are true. As for the local connectors , they were trained by anon2649858692mi and Nadia, who I assume explained all the details to them - in which case, I'd also assume the connectors would always act according to the rules. 

I would have to make sure with the person interviewed on the street if there was a contact exchanged, while the second problematic contribution is traceable and I could provide additional agreements, since the written consent was not waived in the case of POPrebel."
33,68965,2020-01-20T11:31:53.998Z,11908,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,65747,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"Kuba has previously reported that he helped people to create their stories and offered a manual with instructions, but it was them who posted the stories online. 

anon4110936133, as far as I know was the same: I remember him telling us that people 'promised' to write after the event.

All this to say that we operated under the assumption that platform members registered themselves!

I don't know why consent is being asked now from some CZ community members. Sorry, if my message comes late or you are on it, just ignore it."
34,69293,2020-01-24T14:04:40.892Z,11908,1,9,8,1,1,0,11.8,68271,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
I can then try to collect the agreements again for the Polish story, the last one - its a friend of a friend. Just let me know what consent would they need to sign now.
[/quote]


Natalia, is this done? (see also [my reply](/t/11908/28))"
35,69296,2020-01-24T14:18:29.348Z,11908,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,69293,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,It's in progress
36,69303,2020-01-24T16:09:45.382Z,11908,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,69296,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,Noted!
1,67913,2019-12-23T18:41:05.089Z,12261,0,21,20,5,0,0,74.2,67913,anon860407196,anon860407196,"As I wrote it in my previous post, I started new studies and my aim is to become a dance therapyst. I’ll have schooling for the next 2,5 years mainly on the weekends in Budapest and I’ll have blocks of workshops in the Czech Republic. Beside of this I also have my regular 8-5 job in Brno.

Before moving to Brno a year ago I worked for 6 years in Vienna as a biologist in an population genetic/conservation genetic laboratory and now I have the opportunity to go back to this pervious job. After considering this for long I decided to take this chance and move back to Vienna.

My plan is of course to continue my dance therapy studies, but for this transition period it is a better option for me to be in Vienna. It is closer to Budapest, so I need to spend less time with travelling and I can also save more money. And last but not least I will be close to my very good Viennese friends again.

Brno is a really nice and livable city with a lot of events all around the year. I came here after growing up in Budapest and living the last 6 years in Vienna and to be honest I was affraid that life in this „small” city will be boring. Of course the richness of events is not compairable with Vienna or Budapest, but the city is full of life and there are always programs to choose from, I am never bored.

Also Brno has a very good location for outdoor activities, which I like a lot. You don’t even need to leave the city and you can find nice woods for small hikes and with only a bit of travelling you can make bigger hikes, bike tours, in winter cross country sky tours or you can sanon3213561856e on a lake.

Many positive expericenses, but with speaking Czech language only on a basic level (and with not drinking beer :-)) it is very difficult for me to make strong connections to people and I have a feeling that I am a bit isolated here.

The road of my life brings me back to Vienna for a while now, but for sure this won’t be the endstation. I have a Czech partner and it might happen that I will move back to the Czeck Republic again. :-)"
2,67924,2019-12-24T06:42:35.698Z,12261,0,18,17,1,0,0,23.6,67913,anon4241195410,anon860407196," anon860407196, thank you so much for this wonderful post. I am happy you enjoyed Brno a bit. But Vienna and Budapest are very difficult competitors for Brno in cultural life,  haha, but i agree there is always plenty to do and see. And the surroundings of the city...i knew u would enjoy this! I'm sure you are looking forward to new adventures in Vienna."
3,68172,2020-01-04T15:46:35.360Z,12261,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,67913,anon860407196,anon860407196,"For sure I enjoyed my stay! I explored more of the country in one year than Austria in 6 years.
And as I said before there is a high chance that I will come back to the country again. Hopefully already being stronger in Czech. :-)"
4,68213,2020-01-06T06:17:18.160Z,12261,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,68172,anon4241195410,anon860407196,And we are not done exploring;)
5,69187,2020-01-22T10:24:09.957Z,12261,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,67913,anon2446385507,anon860407196,"Hi @anon860407196 nice to meet you, congrats for the courage to post online!
I have moved out of my home country some time ago, and wrote about the new bubbles you become part of as a migrant:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369

Were you part of the workshop in Brno? if so, what did you learn that you would like to see explored further? I'm asking because this year hopefully more community gatherings will happen all over Europe and it is nice if they are dealing with the subjects people care most about!  
I attended the one in Belgrade and entrepreneurship in a post soviet country was a key thing that was discussed - there seems to be momentum that people set up their own initiatives - whether it's a gaming company or a dance project!"
1,68921,2020-01-19T12:49:57.484Z,12437,0,9,8,6,0,0,76.8,68921,anon3021938326,anon3021938326,"

  Pozdrav svima, moje ime je Djordje, rodjen sam 1981. godine.
 

Molim vas da ne uzimate nista licno sto pisem jer nam je cilj da unapredimo drzavu iz koje poticemo i vezani smo za nju.
Zeleo bih da se predstavim, gde sam i sta radim:
Otisao sam iz Beceja. Izbegao sam u svet jer je, kada sam ja bezao, situacija koja je iz haosa ratova presla u stvarnost lazne nade i „bice bolje“ u vreme posle 5 Oktobra. Deset godina se nista nije menjalo i bilo je samo losije. Osecao sam se, polako, kao deo rijaliti programa kome nije cilj da zabavi ljude vec da eksperimentise koliko moze covek biti sateran u cosak a da mu je bilo kakav otpor uzalud.
  Skolovanje mi nije mnogo pruzilo jer se ja nisam trudio da ucim. Devedesetih nismo mogli da vidimo primere uspesnih skolovanih ljudi koji su ziveli casno i posteno. Zavrsio sam trogodisnju skolu za elektromehanicara. Totalna iskrivljena stvarnost je u meni stvorila poremeceno shvatanje zivota i sustinskih ciljeva u samorazvoju, najbolji drugovi su vecinom otisli nanon3760934795je. 2010g. odlazim da radim na „prekookeancu“ i tamo pocinjem da otvaram vidike, upoznavajuci ljude u svakakvim ulogama, od kolega u pravom smislu, koji rade kraj vas, do kolega koji su na istoj strani stola a koji nemaju veze sa vasim poslom ali sa kojima delite krajnji cilj. Upoznao sam more ljudi koji su bili putnici, vecinom nasmejani i dragi, neki nesvesni a neki svesni okoline u kojoj se nalaze u svakom smislu. Nevidjeno puno drugih kultura, obicaja koji nas uce razumevanju i postovanju. Shvatanje da ne mogu da ucim druge i tako lako i da im sudim, da situacije uvek gledam iz vise a ne samo iz dva ugla. Da ako sam rodjen u Srbiji i ne iznesem moj mozak malo nanon3760934795je, apsolutno nemam prava da imam cak i misljenje o necemu sto nisam doziveo ili upoznao licno. Stanje psihe u Srbiji je veliki problem, ponasanje mladih i starijih… porazavajuce. Mislim da je resenje u jednoj recenici „Milsi globalno, deluj lokalno“, kod nas je to obrnuto i dosta objasnjava kulturu pametovanja i „sveznanja“.
  Krvav rad na brodu, koji je bio ocekanon598341349 (radno vreme je pocinjalo u 6:00 a zavrsavalo se oko 9:30 uvece sa 2-2,5h u raznim pauzama izmedju), naucio nas je dosta. Tamo sam napredovao od buffet-stewarda pa polako do kazina i do pozicije Managementa (kratko ali uspesno).
  Imao sam srecu da sve to radim sa zivotnim partnerom sa kojim sada imam dete. Zena i ja smo odlucili, uprkos napredovanju karijera na brodu, da je vreme za prosirenje porodice. Medjutim bili smo svesni problema vracanja u Srbiju. Prihvatanje mentaliteta od kog smo se odvikli. Putujuci cesto u “Nemačku, Beć”, odlucili smo se za taj grad. Prikladan je u svakom smislu… imamo rodjake koji vec zive tamo, blizu je domovine u kojoj smo tada imali puno bliznjih, ali kojih je svake godine sve manje. Pokusavamo im pomoci u “izvlacenju” nanon3760934795je. Fantastican grad sve u svemu. Sve ovo sa nadom da se, na kraju, vratimo u nas grad. Na zalost svesni smo stvarnosti da je to tesko ostvarivo.
Ovde u Becu ,opet, pocinjemo od najnize crte jer nismo znali nemacki, iako smo Engleski jezik naucili do vrlo visokog nivoa, a ovde su ljudi ponosni na svoj jezik I samo na nemackom insistiraju. Prvi posao mi je bio u McDonaldsu, gde sam dobio komentar od devojke iz Srbije “Kakav si ti to Srbin?” jer nemam pojma ko je Milica Todorovic. Nikada nisam zaboravio njeno ime iako ni dan danas ne znam ko je ona ali mogu samo da pretpostavim.

  Zena I ja smo dosli do toga da smo samostalni privrednici u razvoju, sa dve branse. Jedna je “sklapanje namestaja” koja ce nam koristiti u buducnosti da naplatimo neke usluge koje cinim bivsoj firmi prodajuci moje znanje, za koje nemam papire i ne mogu, legalno i na pravi nacin da koristim, a druga je eCommerce, izvoz tekstila iz Srbije i prodaja na Amazon.de i nasoj web prodavnici. Stvar se jos nije razvila do kraja ali je veoma blizu launch-a. Prodaja srpskih proizvoda nam je nekako pala iz patriotizma jer, bez obzira sta pise u uvodu, volimo nasu zemlju I ljude koje smo “ostavili” u Beceju, Srbiji. Sami znamo koji je rezultat u balansu izmedju izvoza i uvoza…
  Nadam se da cu ovde moci da podelim moja iskustva I naucim od vas nesto sto ne znam. Da cu moci da razmenjujem znanje i pricamo o uspesima ali isto tako i o greskama koje smo pravili a koje su mozda vaznije za razvoj od peglanja realnosti zivota."
2,69011,2020-01-20T15:57:21.153Z,12437,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,68921,anon3346229079,anon3021938326,"Dobro nam dosao anon3021938326 i hvala na iskrenosti, prica bez filtera!

To nam i treba, jer kao sto si rekao, cilj je da se nasa situacija poboljsa...i u nasim glavama, pa nasem mikro svijetu pa onda i u siroj zajednici. Do toga nece doci ako nismo sposobni realno sagledati stvari i biti iskreni prema samim sebi, reci stvari koje ne zelimo cuti ;)"
1,67985,2019-12-29T12:06:06.712Z,12271,0,10,9,8,0,0,72.0,67985,anon1812918160,anon1812918160,"<image here> 
 

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30 listopada 2019 roku w nowo powstałym warszawskim miejscu No Problem odbyło się wydarzenie ""Mój kraj taki piękny"" podsumowujące pierwszą część badań projektu Wellbeing in Poland.

Organizując wydarzenie wspólnie z @anon

Istotny był też wybór miejsca: chciałyśmy zorganizować inkluzywne, dostępne i włączające spotkanie w miejscu, które cieszy się duża popularnością, a jednocześnie jest zbieżne z wyznawanymi przez nas ideami równości, poszanowania praw ludzi i zwierząt, less waste. No Problem idealnie wpisało się w powyższe założenia: nowo powstałe miejsce w ścisłym centrum Warszawy to restauracja z roślinną kuchnią, a także swego rodzaju nieoficjalne centrum kulturalne, w którym odbywają się wydarzenia związane z aktywizmem, ruchami zero waste, benefitowe imprezy, projekcje filmów i inne. Współpraca z No Problem okazała się doskonałym wyborem - właściciele wynajęli nam przestrzeń bezkosztowo, dzięki czemu mogłyśmy zamówić wegański catering dla uczestniczek i uczestników spotkania.

Program spotkania ulegał wielu modyfikacjom: pierwotny plan zakładał zaproszenie 3 aktywistów/aktywistek i poruszenie tematów związanych z mieszkalnictwem, prawami pracowniczymi orz prawami kobiet. Ostatecznie udało nam się zaprosić 4 gości-prelegentow, a ponadto wyświetlić dwa filmy oraz zaprosić reżysera jednego z nich na krótkie spotkanie.

Spotkanie rozpoczęło się o godzinie 14:00 projekcja filmu ""Strajk kobiet trwa"" w reż. Inicjatywy Pracowniczej. Film jest dokumentem ukazującym walkę o prawa kobiet w Polsce zapoczątkowaną przez pracownice poznańskich żłobków w 2011. Pierwszym panelista po projekcji był, nie przez przypadek, działacz inicjatywy pracowniczej Grzegorz Kubarczyk, który przybliżył uczestnikom i uczestniczkom tematykę związana z prawami pracowniczymi w Polsce, a także odpowiedział na pytania związane z powstaniem filmu. 
Kolejnym gościem był znany warszawski aktywista anon4110936133 Śpiewak, który wygłosił wykład dotyczący systemu sądowniczego w Polsce oraz kwestii związanych z dziką reprywatyzacja w stolicy oraz nadużyć systemu sądowniczego. Wystąpienie anon4110936133a Śpiewaka zgromadziło największą publiczność podczas całego wydarzenia. 
Znana z prowadzenia popularnego na Instagramie profilu Ciałopozytyw Kaya Szulczewska przygotowała dla uczestników i uczestniczek spotkania prezentację dotyczącą problematyki kobiecej w kontekście służby zdrowia w Polsce: głównymi tematami był dostęp do aborcji i antykoncepcji, standardy okołoporodowe oraz szerokopojęta problematyka związana z ciałem i cielesnością również w kontekście ochrony zdrowia. 
Ostatnim panelistą był Robert Nowak, niezależny działacz związany z ruchami anarchistycznymi i squaterskimi, współautor książki ""Wszystkich nas nie spalicie"".  Robert opowiadał o historii oddolnych ruchów loanon3213561856orskich w Warszawie, sprawie Jolanty Brzeskiej oraz protestach inicjowanych przez niezależnych działaczy.
Spotkanie zwieńczone zostało projekcja filmu, od którego zaczerpnięta została nazwa całego wydarzenia: ""Mój kraj taki piękny"". Film opowiadał o ruchach narodowych i nacjonalistycznych, które rosna w sile w Polsce, a także o reakcji władz na ich powstawanie. Po projekcji publiczność anon1235093333ła możliwość porozmawiać z reżyserem Grzegorzem Paprzyckim i zadać mu pytania dotyczące tego trudnego reporterskiego zadania jakim bez wątpienia była realizacja tego rodzaju materiału filmowego.

Zorganizowane spotkanie okazało się sukcesem: w wydarzeniu w Warszawie wzięło udział ok. 50 osób (część z nich brała udział w pojedynczych panelach lub projekcjach), uruchomiona została rejestracja, z której skorzystało ok. 30 osób. Strzałem w dziesiątkę okazał się też dobór panelistów i panelistek: od oddolnych działaczy związanych z ruchami anarchistycznymi, przez rozpoznawanych aktywistów i publicystów oraz działaczki internetowe po filmowych reżyserów. Paneliści i panelistki również podzielili się swoimi przemyśleniami dotyczącymi życia w Polsce na platformie Edgeryders. 
Organizacja wydarzenia nie byłaby również możliwa bez wsparcia No Problem i świetnej opieki ze strony pracowników lokalu."
2,68124,2020-01-03T11:02:22.740Z,12271,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,67985,anon3593942245,anon1812918160,"Moje trzy grosze na temat spotkania - tak samo zadowolona jestem z jego przebiegu i różnorodności tematów (jedyna rzecz to pewnie układ i może Kaja powinna zacząć lub kończyć, żeby nie przerywać ciągu dość spójnych wypowiedzi - no i więcej kobiet, ale to nasza wina). 

Świetnie współpracowało nam się z No Problem, po prostu zgodnie z nazwą, żadnych problemów. Tematyka mieszkaniowa, która pokrywa się z jednym z głównych wątków w czeskim forum POPrebel, okazuje się angażującym problemem, który pokazuje inne bolączki i problemy Polski, ale też neoliberalnych kapitalistycznych państw, w których propaganda zaradnej jednostki coraz bardziej zaprzecza rzeczywistości - minimalna płaca nie rośnie ani proporcjonalnie do kosztów życia, ani nawet do rosnącego bogactwa państw, czy raczej korporacji. Świat się bogaci, za to żadne trickle down nie następuje, i raczej nie możemy na to liczyć w obecnym kształcie - Jak @anon4110936133_Spiewak zaznaczał, to jest totalitaryzm neoliberalny, w którym zarówno procedury demokratyczne, jak i państwo prawa, nie istnieją. 

Chciałabym teraz poeksplorować mozliwości stworzenia solidarności międzynarodowej w tych obszarach - @anon4241195410 jest aktywistą z powiązaniami z ruchem loanon3213561856orskim w Brnie. Może byłaby jakaś szansa zorganizowania spotkania albo międzynarodowej akcji w tym zakresie? Mamy też @anon1253999246 (Roberta), @anon205870463 @anon3760940791 i kilka innych osób zaangażowanych w sprawę na platformie - co myślicie?"
3,68188,2020-01-05T12:46:28.854Z,12271,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,68124,anon205870463,anon3593942245,"Hej, 

zawsze warto kontynuować wątek mieszkaniowy, bo jest złożony, najbliższy ludziom i najbardziej pomijany przez polityków. Teraz wypływa jako narzędzie propagandowe. Chętnie wezmę udział w burzy myśli, podrzucę nazwiska albo kontakty, ale poza tym niewiele mogę zrobić. Nie ma mnie od pół roku w Polsce i nie jestem na bieżącą. Michał jest na pewno bardziej zorientowany co teraz jest na tapecie. 

Gratuluję spotkania!"
4,68969,2020-01-20T11:57:21.716Z,12271,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,67985,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"Thanks for reporting @anon1812918160, and I'm sorry we didn't have time to keep closer together during the past months. I was busy helping organise the workshops in Serbia! 

Is there anything that you would like to pursue this year: or any connections/collaborations that were made between participants that could be supported by this project, as we move forward? 
I like @anon

Happy to incorporate the proposals as we plan Wellbeing in Europe in 2020, and serve initiatives from the community!"
1,68251,2020-01-06T15:32:53.888Z,12305,0,9,8,5,0,0,26.8,68251,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej hej,

Witam was wszystkich w nowym roku i nowej dekadzie, mam nadzieję, pełnych energii, optymizmu i planów na nadchodzące lata. 

Chciałabym podzielić się z wami dobrymi wieściami - zdążyliśmy jeszcze w 2019 roku przyznać ostatnią obiecaną w polskiej społeczności nagrodę, która powędrowała do @anon1274458134 - i dołączył on tym samym do zacnego grona kobiet, jakie dostały nagrody wcześniej: @anon750699873 i @anon2734079508.

Dlaczego wybraliśmy anon1274458134? Jak mało kto, włożył on czas i energię w rozmowę z różnymi osobami dzielącymi się swoimi historiami na platformie. Założeniem tej nagrody było znalezienie osób, które nie tylko napiszą coś o sobie, ale staną się częścią społeczności i pomogą nam lepiej zrozumieć polskie realia. Jako lewaczka, mam swoje ograniczenia i filtry, więc tym bardziej ucieszyłam się z możliwości wejścia w dialog z kimś, kto nie podziela moich poglądów, ale potrafi z szacunkiem, merytorycznie dyskutować o kwestiach politycznych i światopoglądowych. Nauka dialogu ponad podziałami jest niezwykle trudna, ale to jedna z umiejętności, które jako społeczeństwa, i ludzkość w ogóle, musimy nieustannie rozwijać i szlifować. 

Marzenie to jest wyraźne w wielu historiach, które nam opowiedzieliście na edgeryders - chcemy umieć ze sobą być. Tylko jak?"
2,68308,2020-01-07T11:33:47.765Z,12305,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,68251,anon1274458134,anon3593942245,"Dziękuję za wyróżnienie. Było mi naprawdę fajnie móc poczytać i popisać tutaj nieco. Mogłem przyjrzeć się innym punktom widzenia, ale w wielu historiach widziałem samego siebie, a przynajmniej cząstki życia mojego i moich bliskich. Czasem mogło mi się podnieść nieco ciśnienie, kiedy widziałem wpisy z tzw. ""lewackiej"" strony (kurczeta jak ja nie lubię tego określenie), ale o to właśnie przecież w tym chodziło, żeby móc wejść w dyskurs z kims o odmiennych poglądach :) Była to zacna przygoda. Dziękuję!"
3,68958,2020-01-20T10:49:47.329Z,12305,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,68308,anon2446385507,anon1274458134,"Hi anon1274458134, congratulations from me too, I only regret not having been able to read everything and interact in Polish,

Would it be OK with you if we invite you to an community call with others who are active in Wellbeing in Europe across the different countries? The call should happen ealry February, but I will get back to you.

Thank you again, great great contributions!"
4,68961,2020-01-20T11:14:07.536Z,12305,1,5,4,1,0,0,26.0,68958,anon1274458134,anon2446385507,"Thank you a lot. 
Actually, I don't know what ""community call"" is,  but yeah, I think, I could be ""in"" :slight_smile:
Greets"
5,68964,2020-01-20T11:17:57.154Z,12305,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,68961,anon2446385507,anon1274458134,"Like a community meeting - but online because we are in different countries. We normally use zoom (a tool like skype) and we announce it ahead of time and we open the meeting to those in the community who wish to join. It will have an agenda so you will be able to see if it interests you! 
I will message you directly with info, so no worries! Thanks!"
1,68849,2020-01-17T02:20:11.943Z,12421,0,9,8,7,0,0,66.8,68849,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"Pozdrav svima,

Eto otisao sam na sajam stvaralastva, zato sto sam totalno geek za te stvari ali i da pokupim najbolje prakse i upoznam moguce partnere za ***Centar za inovacije u Beceju***.

Bilo je svega, od robotike, elektronike, fotonike, sivenja, slikanja do vajanja, DIY (sastavite sami) sistema, rada sa porcelanom, staklom, drvetom itd...

Popricao sam sa vise organizacija. Kad cuju da radimo na osnanon598341349ju centra u kom ce djeca moci dobiti nova znanja u neformalnom okruzenju, kroz eksperimentisanje i igru - mnoge su zainteresovane za saradnju. Pogotovo nevladine organizacije i ustanove koje se bave obrazovanjem. Vecina univerziteta u Belgiji imaju udruzenja koja se bave promocijom odredjenih profesija kod mladjih.

Na primjer http://b-photonics.eu/en/ , koji promovisu fotoniku kod mladih. Imaju zanimljivu igru koju mladi sami sastave a pravila igre su ta da moraju na razne nacine da dovedu lasersku zraku od figure koja ga ispaljuje do mete.
Primjer ovdje:
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Kao sto vidite svi dijelovi su uradjeni u nekom programu za 3D modeliranje pa napravljeni laserskim sjecenjem.
Ja mislim da bi mogli koristiti u startu takvih nekoliko kompleta pa onda praviti nase verzije...granica je samo nasa kreativnost.

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ARDLAB iz Genta su takodje bili zainteresovani, oni naravno koriste Arduino a to je vec dobro poznato Becejcima iz Tehnicke skole.

Arduino je odlican pocetak za osnove kodiranja i robotiku a i jako je zabavno.

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 Takodje   XXXXX rade vrlo zanimljivu stvar, koriste specificne boje i prave torbe sa odredjenim materijalima da bi bilo ko mogao da nacrta ili napise sto zeli i to postaje trajno na njihovoj torbi. Njihovih par stolova su non stop bili puni kad sam prolazio :slight_smile: 
Primjer ovdje:
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Sve slike su, naravno, uradjene uz dozvolu osoba ciji je stand ili koje su na slikama.

Takodje sam upoznao ljude koji imaju izuzetnu radionicu i koje cu posjetiti u februaru. Rade razne programe edukacije i imaju interesantan biznis model. Interesuje me kako je moguce nabaviti kvalitetne masine za ne tako velike pare, rekli su mi da se cesto uzmu masine pa poprave od fabrika kojima se vise isplati mijenjati nego popravljati.
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Evo za kraj jos koja slika, mada tu je bilo toliko toga da nema smisla da sve stavljam ovdje u jedan post.
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@anon3887834485 Sta kazes, jesi istrazivao nekad fotoniku?

@anon2384804228 Mogli bi, u okviru onog tvog predloga, na ovaj nacin raditi i kostime za pozorisne predstave?  Kao sto ovi rade torbe. Imam kontakt pa mogu pitati, ne sjecam se ali mislim da mi je zena rekla da se moze raditi sa trajnom ili privremenom bojom...sto je kul posto se onda mogu koristiti isti komadi odjece ili platna generalno za razlicite stvari."
1,68819,2020-01-16T11:59:39.569Z,12415,0,8,7,6,0,0,46.6,68819,anon3986657798,anon3986657798,"Jestem aktywistką na rzecz zwierząt, ale im dłużej obserwuję działania różnych grup, tym bardziej utwierdzam się w przekonaniu, że nie zależnie od organizacji i obszaru naszych aktywności, wszyscy walczymy z tym samym przeciwnikiem. Zanon1235093333ny globalne przynoszą poruszenie na naszych podwórkach. W Polsce posodobnie jak na całym świecie, w ciągu ostatnich kilku lat mamy do czynienia z dużą ewolucją w sposobie myślenia o zwierzętach. Przyczyn takiego stanu rzeczy jest wiele, natoanon1235093333st sprzyjająca ""koniunktura"" pozwala na jeszcze bardziej sktueczne działania. Chcąc to wykorzystać, wraz z grupą znajomych aktywistek i aktywistów założyliśmy 9 lat temu inicjatywę Basta! Na codzień zajmujemy się rozpowszechnianiem informacji na temat zwierztąt i promocją wegańskiego styu życia.W zakres naszych działań wchodzi zarówno organizacja i prowadzenie różnych wydarzeń, warsztatów, pokazów, ale też edukacja, protesty, lobbying i czy dokumentacja w formie śledztw. Bardzo nas cieszy, że powoli status zwierząt zmienia się, niestety inaczej wygląda to w polityce, która reprezentuje interesy wielkich firm i producentów. To właśnie tutaj zaczyna się nierówna walka. Obserwując jej mechanizmy, widzimy, że jest to dokładnie ten sam przeciwnik, z kórym mierzą się inne ruchy jak np. loanon3213561856orski, klimatyczny, feministyczny czy lgbt. Dlatego w naszych działaniach nigdy nie zapominamy o innych ""wykluczonych"". Tak jak grupa osób lgbt popierająca górników za czasów reform Margaret Thatcher, musimy solidaryzować się i wspierać nawzajem, czego życzę sobie i wszystkim działającym!"
1,68724,2020-01-14T20:34:32.627Z,12403,0,12,11,6,0,0,77.4,68724,anon2867672406,anon2867672406,"Elsewhere, @anon1659154220 pointed us to the yearly tradition of the [State of the World online debate](https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/507/State-of-the-World-2020-Bruce-St-page01.html) on the WELL. This is a long and deep forum thread led by Bruce Sterling (here as @anon

I would strongly encourage @anon4110936133, @anon3379710332, @anon2979239943 and all our curious POPRebels to check it out and ponder, because this years's SOTW is a lot about populism. Bruce tackles it especially in posts 5 to 10 (start [here](https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/507/State-of-the-World-2020-Bruce-St-page01.html#post5)). The money quote:

> People like to focus their attention on The Donald, because the actual media is in abject collapse, so there's nothing but demagogic social media and the right-wing TV machine, and The Donald is great
at that.  However, this sensibility I'm describing is not merely American or Trumpian,  it really is the State of the World.  Other nations have more advanced versions of it than Americans do.
>
>There used to be certain planetary regions and polities that were markedly different from the rest, but in MMXX, even though everybody claims they're antiglobal, sovereign and patriotic, everybody's very the-same.   

He then goes on to enumerate: Russia, India, South Africa, Britain, Estonia... 

Do you think it is true that anti-global age is more global than globalism? In what sense? Bruce seems to have a sort of economic theory lurking in the background:

> Mainstream consumer capitalism is dying, fast and silent and for good, like its shopping malls.  There aren't any ""consumers,"" there are just oligarchs and the rabble. ([post 7](https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/507/State-of-the-World-2020-Bruce-St-page01.html#post7)).

Thoughts?

(Happy new year to everyone... actually, happy MMXX, to maintain the SOTW way of writing it :slight_smile: )"
2,68727,2020-01-14T21:51:11.630Z,12403,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,68724,anon2867672406,anon2867672406,"(I also sent a question about where, in Bruce's and Jon's opinion, this leaves the EU. No reply so far.)"
3,68783,2020-01-15T17:42:27.796Z,12403,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,68724,anon1659154220,anon2867672406,"And how does extreme nationalism work with so many goods and services brought to us via multinational corporations who seem to have no particular national allegiance, but rather loyalty to their shareholders and stock price, and to each other in wanting to maintain the status quo?

A big theme of this year's State of the World is oligarchy as a global condition.  Certainly in the US Presidential election Bernie Sanders rails against the oligarchy constantly.  And it seems he is the only candidate who uses the term.  But I think it does best describe the world we live in today.

So with a guy like Trump we have someone who talks a populist game, but whose actions all seem designed to perpetuate his ruling class.  

And what about Putin? My understanding is that during his time in office he has amassed a gigantic personal fortune.  Is this the price people pay for national pride?  Leaders who placate them with words but rip them off anyway? (Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.)"
1,68444,2020-01-09T00:11:07.449Z,12358,0,13,12,6,0,0,62.6,68444,anon343270668,anon343270668,"Pozdrav svima!

Moje ime je anon343270668. Rođena sam u Bačkom Gradištu, selu nadomak Bečeja, a poslednjih nekoliko godina živim u Bečeju. Svoj posao obavljam, kako u Bečeju, tako i u Bačkom Gradištu i drugim okolnim selima, u zavisnosti od potreba i programa. Po struci sam profesor(ica) filozofije, ali i diplomirani bibliotekar. Tokom svog, relativno mladog života :slight_smile:, bavila sam se ljudskim pravima, tranzicionom pravdom, post-konfliktnim društvima, političkim ideologijama - kao aktivista, ali i kao eduanon3213561856or iz pojedinih oblasti. Zaposlena sam na radnom mestu urednice kulturnog programa opštinske biblioteke, ali svakodnevno obavljam i standarne bibliotekarske poslove. Eduanon3213561856ivni programi su, generalno, u opisu mog posla, a moje srce kuca u Dramskoj radionici za decu, koju samostalno vodim, te pišem i adaptiram tekstove za istu, većim delom vezano za lokalne priče, situacije i likove. Sentimentalno sam vezana za državu u kojoj živim i za selo u kojem sam odrasla. Razloge neću objašnjavati, jer su oni, suštinski, iracionalni. :slight_smile: 

Nakon ovog uvodnog, po malo CV-jevskog dela mog predstavljanja, nastaviću sa jednim priznanjem: već nedeljama pokušavam da napišem ''moju priču'', koja bi bila dovoljno lična i jedinstvena, kakve su, na kraju krajeva, sve vaše priče. Iz poštovanja prema @anon3346229079 i njegovom zalaganju da prenese Edgeryders iskustvo i u ovaj deo Srbije, možda sam se čak i forsirala da to uradim što pre i što bolje.  Ovo nije urodilo plodom. :smiley: 

Otuda sam rešila da sa vama podelim jednu priču koju, prvobitno, nisam napisala za potrebe ovog foruma, već za jedno detinjstvo i za neke ljude ikoji su sada negde daleko, raštrkani po svetu.  Onima koji odvoje vreme da pročitaju redove koji slede - srdačno se zahvaljujem. 

Možda ćete se i sami setiti nečeg sličnog, iz sopstvenog životnog mozaika. :slight_smile: 

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Crkva Svetog preobraženja Gospodnjeg u Bačkom Gradištu, od kako znam za sebe, bila je okružena gustim jorgovanom koji je, gotovo uvek, bio uredno potkresan kao ''živa ograda''. U selu je ovaj deo poznat kao ‘’porta’’. Ubeđena sam da je nama, ondašnjoj deci sa Kanala, to prednje crkveno dvorište uvek bilo od nekog velikog značaja – kako fizički, tako i ''metafizički’’. Pritom, ovde sada uopšte ne zalazim u pojedinačne veroispovesti i rituale vezane za crkvu, već isključivo mislim na tu fizičku teritoriju okruženu gustim jorgovanom. Mi, kao deca, bili smo deca i četnika i partizana, romska deca, deca vernika i ateista, deca direktora i paora, deca policajaca, radnika i deca profesora. Sve te razlike, pa i one potonje koje su se razvijale među nama silom prilika, nestajale su baš u toj cvetnoj crkvenoj porti. Porodična kuća je bila ( i još uvek je) na svega par metara od crkve i kao većina kuća koje su se gradile tamo krajem 80ih i 90ih godina, dugo godina je bila bez ograde, što je nama, kao deci, značilo, jer smo mogli i sa svega 5 – 6 godina ‘’otići od kuće’’, odnosno, iz sopstvenog dvorišta i to ne kod nekog ’’na sigurno’’ (npr. kod babe ili tetke.), već na jednu neutralnu teritoriju koja je podjednako pripadala svima nama – i meni i Željku, i Bobanu i Bojanu, Slaviši, Mimiju i Toletu, Sonji i Nikoli, Verici i drugima. Taj deo je toliko bio naš, dečiji, da se ja ne sećam da je ikada odrasla osoba zakoračila u portu (osim u izuzetnim prilikama, kakve su bile svadbe ili neki crkveni praznici). Čak bi i roditelji, ako bi i došli po nekog od nas ko je prekršio dogovoreno vreme za igru, stali na sam ulaz u portu ili na neki ćošak i dovikivali da je vreme da se ide kući. S vremena na vreme bilo je tu i nekih, za nas onda, ‘’uljeza’’, dece i omladine iz drugih krajeva sela, koji bi se, na biciklovima, okupili u toj našoj porti. Mi bismo se šunjali po tom žbunju i čekali da svi odu kako bismo opet osvojili teritoriju. Sama porta je bila dovoljno prostrana i bilo je klupa…ne sećam se koliko, dve ili tri? Ali, sećam se tog ogromnog drveta kraj jedne od klupa, ne znam da li je to bila lipa ili hrast, sa dve rupe u stablu, za koje je neko rekao da je to grom udario u gornji deo stabla, pa je munja izašla na donji deo stabla i otuda te dve rupe. Po svemu sudeći , taj Neko je samo mogla biti naša Verica, avanturistkinja u duši. Nju je , do njene 13 godine, na nekom safariju u Đurđevu ujeo lav za nogu, a stigla je i do Bajage, jer se družila sa njegovim sestrama, Višnjom i Jagodom (  <3 ) . Kad sam već kod Verice, verujem da je ona svima nama dala taj neki ‘’hardcore’’ momenat u detinjstvu, zbog čega ona zaslužuje i naročitu pažnju. Ne znam da li je još uvek, ali je tada zaista bila posebna, ta naša Verica, bila je starija od nas i slušala je metal – a mi smo se nje istovremeno i bojali i obožavali je. U zavisnosti koje od ta dva raspoloženja u odnosu na Vericu prevagne – mi smo se delili u klanove. Tako se desio i taj čuveni, mada sada možda već i zaboravljen, projeanon3213561856 ‘’Voltron’’. Tih 90ih godina su se emitovali animirani (crtani) filmovi sa vozilima - robotima, a Voltron je bio Zaštitnik Univerzuma i mi bismo, tako inspirisani, ’’zaratili’’ jedni sa drugima i podelili se u dva klana. Jedan klan je uvek predvodila Verica, a drugi najčešće Sonja (mada sam ubeđena da mnogo puta nije ni znala da je bila Glavna). Sedišta ili ''hedkvotersi'' dva klana bile su dve različite kuće na Kanalu, u izgradnji. Mimijeva i Bobanova. Od crvenih blokova i cigala pravili smo moćne kompjuterske sisteme, sastajali se, crtali mape i planove i kuvali veliku zaveru za rušenje sistema. U to ratno doba u portu se nije zalazilo. Beše to suviše prijateljsko mesto za naše megalomanske namere. Osim možda par puta, kada se glavni okršaj desio baš u porti i to tako što smo igrali ‘’između dve vatre’’ , ali onako grubo, jedni protiv drugih, a udarci loptom bili su agresivniji nego inače…ali to je bilo to, to je bila odlučujuća bitka. Ne sećam se kako smo se mirili. Odlazili smo kod Blaženke, ona je bila u invalidskim kolicima, zbog čega često nije mogla da učestvuje u našim igrama i jurnjavama, pa je sedela ispred kuće. Sa porodicom je, tokom rata, došla iz Sarajeva. Blaženka je bila dosta starija od nas po godinama, ali u srcu je bila večno dete, Tokom nesuglasica, odlazili smo kod nje. Blaženku su naše svađe toliko uzbuđivale, da je plakala i ljutila se na nas što se svađamo. Mislim da je ona često bila mirotvorac. U svakom slučaju, sigurna sam da smo se toliko zaigrali, da bismo na kraju i zaboravili zašto crtamo mape i zašto špijuniramo drugi klan, valjda bi nam dosadilo sve to, pa bismo nastavili tamo gde smo stali pre operacije Voltron, sasvim spontano i prirodno, bez ikakve drame samog pomirenja. U mirnodopskim uslovima, deca sa Kanala najčešće su igrala žmurke, a nedovršene kuće, neograđena dvorišta i naša porta davali su bezbroj mogućnosti za skranon598341349je i potragu. S proleća, lišće jorgovana bi ozelenelo, a jorgovan procvetao, a dečija mašta bi divljala. U tom žbunju krile su se naše veličanstvene tajne dvorane, kancelarije i kuhinje, zajedničke prostorije, a svako je mogao da ima i svoju, da se šćućuri u rastinju, da bere jorgovan, tražeći cvet sa pet latica, da zažmuri i zamisli želju, pa cvetić ubaci u majicu…a imali smo pregršt želja, jer su majice i duksevi bili puni jorgovana. Tokom sezone svadbi, porta je bila kao ostrvo sa blagom. Nakon što bi se svatovi razišli, a iza sebe ostavili pobacane kovanice, šarene trake i poluprazne (ili polupune  ;-) ) plastične čaše, mi bismo tragali za tim ostacima veselja i pravili sopstveni after. Slično je bilo i leti, u avgustu, kad je seoska Slava. Odrastati, makar jedan dan, kraj slavaroških tezgi sa šarenim bombonama i igračkama, beše posebna privilegija. A kad ’’slavaroši’’ odu, pa iza sebe ostave šarenilo od smeća u porti i oko nje, tek su to bile potrage i nade da je neko možda nešto zaboravio ili da je nekome možda ispala neka igračka. Zimi, porta pod snegom je našem kraju davala taj neki bajkoviti ‘'vajb'' i tako smo bili svi ponosni, jer eto, mi smo imali nešto, što možda drugi nisu imali (bar smo tako onda mislili), imali smo našu portu u jednom vrtlogu nemaštine i svakakvih podela. Mi smo imali jedno šašavo detinjstvo, sasvim bezbedno pod granama jorgovana. I dugo godina smo je imali, tu našu portu, čak i kada je dečija graja utihnula, samo na neki drugačiji način. Onda je porta imala već neku drugu funkciju, onda smo se baš skrivali tamo, da popušimo koju cigaru, ukrademo neki poljubac na klupi ili da podelimo neke mladalačke depre koje su nas tada šibale. Godinama kasnije, kada smo se svi razišli, po okolnim gradovima, po drugim državama, čak i po drugim kontinentima, valjda u potrazi za svojim laticama jorgovana, porta je i dalje bila tu. I kao što ''sve teče, sve se menja'', tako se i scenografija jednog detinjstva zauvek promenila pre nekoliko dana, kada su tu našu portu od jorgovana posekli i izvadili ono drveće. Više nema čak ni onog magičnog drveta koje je preživelo udar groma. ''Pa i onako taj jorgovan ne cveta već godinama'', kažu. Trenutno je sve ravno, nekako ''golo'' i prazno. Bar za sada. ''Nema veze, biće sad kao na trgu u Bečeju'', govore jedni, ''Ne, biće kao korzo u Čurugu'', govore drugi. Mislim, kako god da bude, nadam se da će biti prostora za neke druge priče i neka druga detinjstva. I nisam sad u nekom velikom pathosu, samo su naišli ti sentimentalni talasi sećanja... A pitanja stižu i sa drugog kraja sveta: da li je istina da nema više naše porte? I to ne pita neki uskoro četrdesetogodišnjak, to pita ono dete sa Kanala. Pa, nema više porte. Ali, biće nešto drugo. Uvek bude. A portu smo sačuvali, eto, u glavama, na po kojoj slici, i evo par latica jorgovana i u ovoj priči. ::: Poslednji put sam prošla kroz portu letos. Tamo sam zatekla momka, kako namešta šator pored klupe, a videla sam da je izvadio i neke kamperske lonce i poklopce. U razgovoru koji je trajao samo par minuta, saznam da je on Belgijanac koji je krenuo na put oko sveta, na motoru, pa je rešio da se tu malo odmori i da prenoći. Raspitivao se za WiFi. Preporučih mu par drugih obližnjih lokacija, gde ima Internet i gde bi možda mogao kvalitetnije da se odmori. Znate šta je odgovorio? 

''No, it's ok. It feels safe here'' ."
2,68531,2020-01-10T06:57:58.974Z,12358,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,68444,anon3346229079,anon343270668,"Hvala ti na prici :slight_smile:

Odvela me na put sjecanja, u par gradova gdje sam proveo djetinjstvo i selo gdje sam proveo skolske praznike. Vratila su mi se sjecanja koja sam mislio da vise nemam...a izgleda da sve ostaje negdje pohranjeno i evo, treba neko samo malo odskrinuti vrata te arhive da bi je svijetlost cijelu ispunila...hvala ti :slight_smile:"
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Ja sam počeo iako je bio plan da anon2649858692mi priča o Edgeryders organizaciji.
Pokušao sam da vam dočaram ko su Edgeryders, koje su naše vrednosti i šta konkretno nudimo zajednici u Bečeju.
U par rečenica:
Cilj nam je da čujemo vaše priče, kroz njih saznamo šta su vam interesovanja, ciljevi i koje prepreke vam stoje na putu do ispunjenja tih ciljeva. Kroz vaše priče cemo zajedno doći do ideja kako poboljšati kvalitet života u vašoj sredini. U Srbiji se formiraju zajednice u više gradova. Mi ćemo ići u zajednice koje su aktivne i žele nešto ostvariti. 
Mi ćemo podrzati sve projekte koji ispunjavaju 2 uslova:
1. Fokusirani su na dobrobit zajednice
2. Samoodrživi su (poslovni plan jasno pokazuje kako se projeanon3213561856 finansira kad prodje period finansiranja iz EU ili neke treće stranke)

Pričao sam malo o inostranstvu i o tome zašto je važno stvoriti sredinu za mlade ljude u kojoj se mogu ostvariti. Sa druge strane, mladi treba da putuju, skupljaju novo znanje, nova iskustva i vide primjere najbolje prakse iz cijelog svijeta. Mi ćemo rado spajati mlade ljude koji imaju pitanja sa medjunarodnim mentorima i omogućiti im putovanje u inostranstvo. Na primjer mi u Briselu imamo sobe u koje često dodju članovi Edgeryders zajednice. Dok su tu ne plaćaju ništa već rade na projektima sa nama i uče nove stvari. Otkrivaju Brisel i Belgiju itd.

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**Zoli - ekoBečej:**

@anon
Pita Dane: Kako se pravi smjesa od papira i vode od koje se presovanjem dobijaju predmeti? Papir se pokvasi vodom, ako može bez hemikalija i kada se iscijedi može se dok je vlažan oblikovati a zatim i suši. Zainteresovani mogu i na internetu da vide kako se rade razne tehnike. Nikako se ne smije nakon oblikovanja dirati dok se ne osuši. 
Dane odgovara Jasenu: Na deponiji postoji razdvajanje plastike od ostatka smeća.
Zolika objašnjava mogućnosti koje još ne koristite u Bečeju:
Kompostiranje-kako pravilno organski otpad odlagati da se to može koristiti. Ideja o skupljanju lišća sa ulice koje bi bilo korisno dalje. 

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**Dr. Nick:**
Priča o svom životu, putovanjima po svijetu i ljubavi prema otadzbini koja ga je uvijek vukla u Srbiju.
Priča o 7 stubova kvaliteta, što su i osnovni stubovi zdravlja kod ljudi:
fizički, društveni, mentalni, emotivni, duhovni, ekološki i poslovni.
Istražanon598341349je o tome za čim su ljudi najviše žalili na samrti?
Nisu znali šta je sreća i nisu se usudili da odluče šta je sreća.

Kapital za sreću je uvijek samospoznaja: Ko sam i šta sam? Prihvatanje sebe je prvi i osnovni uslov za sreću.
Dalje priča o tome zašto su danas ljudi pismeni ali slabo se bave uzročno- posljedničnim razmišljanjem. Strah od znanja. Kontinuitet kao najvažniji za uspijeh. Psihološke barijere se ruše psihološkim uspijehom. Povećana motivacija je rezultat psihološkog uspijeha.
Odgovornost za sopstveni život. To je jednostavno neophodno za uspijeh. Personalni menadzment i važnost istog, bez koga nema pomaka ka uspijehu. Riješenje je biti svoj, ko ne voli sebe ne može biti dobar drugima. 

Ako želimo bilo šta da promenimo u životu, moramo da promijenimo frekvenciju naših misli. Negativne emocije koje crpimo iz informacija koje nam je dostupno u medijima i okruženju. Ono čemu poklanjamo pažnju okupira nas mentalni prostor, sve počinje na nivou misli, a preduzetništvo je sljedeći logičan korak. 
Vrednost znanja i konstantnog ulaganja u sebe:
Budućnost treba da bude sačinjena samo na korisnom iskustvu.  Oni koji sada imaju 12 godina će raditi na poslovima koji još ne postoje. Naša generacija promijeni 2-3 posla, 15 zanimanja će biti promijenjeno u profesionalnom životu današnjih srednjoškolaca.  Edukacija kao najbitnija karika za bolju budućnost.Ali znanje mora da bude specifično primijenjivo. 

**Koji su moji utisci, lekcije:**

* Za sada nedovoljno interesovanja odredjenih organizacija za ovu inicijativu, što znači da je ili moja komunikacija bila nedovoljno dobra ili da ljudi misle da ovakav projeanon3213561856 i partnerstvo sa Edgeryders organizacijom nije dobro za njihovu zajednicu (što mi je teško povjerovati tako da ću poraditi na komunikaciji :slight_smile:).
Doduše ovo je tek prva radionica, vidićemo kako će se stvari dalje odvijati.

* Mislim da sam napravio veliku grešku što sam zbrzao uvod o Edgeryders i nisam dozvolio pitanja pošto smo kasnili 15min sa radionicom a očekivala se večera u 19h. Ispraviću to u jasnijoj komunikaciji kroz mail koji sam poslao svim učesnicima.

* Većina ljudi je otišla oko 19h, tako da će sljedeća radionica biti fokusirana samo na projeanon3213561856 Centar za inovacije u Bečeju. Na taj način ćemo završiti sve u maksimum 90 minuta. Mislim da ce biti puno efikasnije i daće bolje rezultate na kraju. Cilj je ipak da mi kroz zajednicu diskusiju o projektu identifikujemo naše snage i slabosti, nadjemo najbolje riješenje i konačno apliciramo za finansiranje.

* Kao što mi je vas nekoliko reklo, vjerovatno sam od starta trebao uključiti i osnovne škole. Mi možemo puno ponuditi uzrastu od 10 do 14 godina tako da ću to sad ispraviti i stupiti u kontakt sa njima.

Hvala vam svima što ste došli, pokazali dobru volju i izrazili vasu podršku. Koji su vasi utisci? Sta smo mogli bolje uraditi? Koga kontaktirati? Ako imate neke predloge slobodno pišite ovdje.
Takodje, najvažnija stvar do sljedeće radionice (koju ću organizovati u januaru, poslje Srpske nove godine) je naći načina kako zainteresovati srednjoškolce za ovakav projeanon3213561856?
Razmišljao sam o tome: Mogli bi da ubacimo audio-video radionice (s obzirom da današnji klinci često žele biti youtuberi ili imaju nekakav blog itd).
Povezati se sa [ovom organizacijom](https://startit.rs/learning-for-the-21st-century-besplatni-treninzi-programiranja-robotica-za-decu/?fbclid=IwAR0bN8XQz0uLKkvaTeMnSMpD3CrZmUQ4_Rqg4cXD9BD_NQyXTbxFgAYfWgs), što je predložila @anon2384804228, ili možda sa [njima](https://icthubplayground.rs/)  za povezanon598341349je Bečejskih preduzetnika iz IT sektora sa načinima finansiranja? Tu su i medjunarodne mreže, o kojima ću pričati na sljedećoj radionici.

Mogućnosti su velike, prvi korak doduše je pokretanje centra za inovacije i omogućavanje svim kreativcima u Bečeju da se izraze i stvore nesto novo."
2,65976,2019-11-27T09:03:37.000Z,11945,4,17,16,1,0,0,43.4,65919,anon47544591,anon3346229079,"Ćao

Treba da znaš da smo tokom godina imali par
sličnih pokušaja u Bečeju, nadam se da ćeš ti istrajati i ostvariti svoje
planove. Ove teme su nam uglavnom svima poznate, o problemima možemo pričati
danima. Ljude interesuju rešenja problema, konkretno na koji način ti možeš da
pomogneš.Mi kao udruženja imamo svoje godišnje programe kojih se pridržavamo.
Razlika između mog udruženja i na primer Izviđača, Cosmopolita, Bumovaca je ta
da su oni finansijski pokrili svoje programe. Ima udruženja koji se uopšte ne
interesuju za nešto novo, nego uporno guraju ono ,na šta su se navikli
godinama(naprimer Izviđači).Nije lako naći aktiviste,  možda se u jednu ruku  pribojavaju da ćeš im svojim programom
preoteti članove, ili da će ako počnu i ovim aktivnostima da se bave imati
manje vremena za njih. KZM obavezno treba da se uključi u program, a ostali će
se priključiti kasnije kada počnu rezultati da se ređaju.

Nije lako sa mladima. Sa jedne strane neće kako
odrasli kažu, ali ako ih pitaš šta hoće onda ne znaju. Pre 5-6 godina sam isto
tako pravio anketu u srednjim školama da saznamo šta ih zanima,motiviše, u
kakve sekcije žele da se uključe, šta bi radili a nemaju uslova..Nisu znali da
mi odgovore. Onda sam krenuo od toga da se puno slikaju i postavljaju slike na
društvene mreže, da li ih možda zanima foto sekcija? Rekli su da,
žele da nauče da prave što kvalitetnije slike.

Pitao sam da li ih zanimaju izleti, ekskurzije.
Rekli su da, možemo samo da šetamo u Goranskom parku i da pričamo o pticama i
drveću i to ih zanima, a da otputujemo negde to je premija.

Sve u svemu, zanimaju ih stvari ako  vide neku zabavu u tome. Ili prići temama sa
zabavne strane. Sport, razna takmičenja sa nagradama-poklonima.

KZM na primer organizuje foto takmičenja i deli
nagrade učesnicima. Bumovci organizuju veče društvenih igara. Za aktivne
članove Cosmopolita je organizovan put u Švajcarsku...

Da si hteo veću masu na radionici, trebao si
organizovati za vreme nastave u školama. Čudim se da ti to anon343270668 nije
sugerisala, i biblioteka to praktikuje. Znači ako žele da napune salu pozovu
profesora koji dođe sa svojim đacima za vreme nastave. Đaci se veoma rado
odazovu samo da nisu u školi.

Treba da znaš da u razredima polovina đaka
putuje. Znači ako nisu obavezni da prisustvuju oni sednu na autobus i idu kući.
A i u petak se već više orijentišu  na
izlaske, znači trče kući da se spreme za grad.

Osnovne škole ako želiš da uključiš isplati se
ako planiraš na duže staze. Ali onda već moraš 5-6 razred organizovati. Puno
njih napravi grešku da se fokusira na 7-8 razred. Đake u osmom razredu zavisi
samo što bolje da polože završni ispit i gde posle da se upišu dalje.

Audio-video radionice možeš uspešno organizovati sa
onima koji još nisu radili takve stvari ,ako si već ostvario lični kontakt,
imaš na šta da se nadovežeš. Malo ko ovde ima praksu, jeste da koristimo
messenger, skype-ali pretežno sa nama poznatima.

Konkretno šta ti predlažem.Kao prvo ti moraš da izložiš
svoje jasne-konkretne ciljeve,planove i rešenja. U svom izlaganju da se osvrneš
na što više pozitivnog primera iz prakse.Tu ti možda može pomoći Dr Nikl, ne to
da si umoran ili da ti od ovoga nemaš nikakvu korist..

Trebaš otići u škole da te upoznaju. Direktor
najverovatnije neće preuzeti na sebe ali će ti predložiti kontakt-profesora. Najbolje
da se prve radionice organizuju u školi za vreme nastave, npr času razredne
nastave. Treba da znaš da u svakom razredu ima 2-3 učenika koji će biti
zainteresovani za preduzetnišvo, i šta ako su zainteresovani baš putnici. Treba
dvojezično, znači i na mađarskom jeziku. Jer možda će  razumeti ali će
se već ustručavati da ti postave pitanje jer ne znaju da se izraze.

Ili zamoliš direktora da svaki profesor iz svog
razreda izdvoji 2-3 učenika ,koji su zainteresovani za preduzetništvo i da
pošalju na radionice srpski-mađarski. Koja će se održavati u školi za vreme
nastave.

Krenuti nekim osnovnim stvarima, ne odmah preduzetništvo.
Postavljati im konkretna pitanja, ponuditi izbor. Treba da znaš da im je već
dosta učenja-bubanja, jedva čekaju da završe školu. Treba im ponuditi
aktivnosti koji na zabavan način rešavaju probleme. Osvrnuti se na to da uz ove
radionice stiču praksu, kontakte koje će moći kasnije da iskoriste u
pronalaženju posla. Znamo vrlo dobro da većina posle završene srednje neće
raditi u svojoj struci.

U ekonomskoj školi su mahom devojčice koje pojma
nemaju šta je CNC mašina, a možda su čule za 3D štampač. Ove stvari su
interesantne u tehničkoj školi, jer su tu uglavnom dečaci iz te branše.
Gimnaziju pohađaju đaci koji posle završetka treba da uče dalje jer sa ovom
školom nemaju struku u ruci...

Što se Bečejskih preduzetnika tiče, bio sam član
udruženja. Oni koji znaju nešto ili su uspešni-nemaju vremena i energije da se
bakću ovakvim stvarima. Neće da rasipaju pamet iliti stvaraju sebi
konkurenciju. Oni koji imaju vremena-nemaju šta da ponude-od njih nemaš opet
koristi. Kod njih je akcenat na profitu. Što se tiče IT sektora možda bi ti
trebao da podeliš pozitivno iskustvo, da uputiš zainteresovane.Da na tom polju ti
pokreneš nešto konkretno.

Najzainteresovaniji mladi za preduzetništvo su
mladi bračni parovi koji su počeli da stvaraju svoj zajednički život. Posle
završetka školovanja oni već znaju da super plaćeni posao nije lako naći. Možda
od njih dvoje jedno ima stalno zaposlenje a drugo još traži nešto. Planiraju i
porodicu..Oni ako se ne snađu ubrzo, odlaze preko da tamo žive i rade.

Ja imam iskustvo i znanje kojim mogu pomoći u
ostvaranon598341349ju zajedničkih ciljeva. Problem je taj što programe udruženja nisam
uspeo finansijski potpuno da pokrijem, nadam se će nešto uspeti preko
zajedničkog angažovanja. Otvoren sam i želim sarađivati.U razgovorima sa tobom
sam stekao utisak da si realno upućen u stvari i dešavanja na našem prostoru.  Pisao sam o mnogo-čemu, mogli bi da sednemo da
razgovaramo o konkretnim stvarima programa br.mob. 0628226690

Deo aktivnosti udruženja možeš pogledati u albumima na [https://www.facebook.com/pg/eko.becej/photos/?tab=albums&ref=page_internal](https://www.facebook.com/pg/eko.becej/photos/?tab=albums&ref=page_internal)

Ova radionica u biblioteci možda nije ispunila
neka očekanon598341349ja, ali po meni je veoma dobra polazna tačka za nastavak.

Želim ti puno uspeha u životu i daljem radu.

Pozdrav

 

anon3346229079 via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
3,66100,2019-11-28T08:15:09.838Z,11945,0,17,16,3,1,0,18.4,65919,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"Pozdrav Zoli,

Hvala na tolikim informacija i dobrim namjerama.

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Ljude interesuju rešenja problema, konkretno na koji način ti možeš da
pomogneš.
[/quote]
Jasno, ja imam konkretan plan koji nisam ni predstavio potpuno sad na radionici zato sto je 70% ljudi otislo pre mog predstavljanja na zalost. Takodje, ja sam vec pomogao samo sto ljudi toga nisu ni svijesni. Ja kroz moje aktivnosti vec sad cinim Becej vise vidljivim i na karti Srbije i na karti Evrope u nekim krugovima. 

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Nije lako naći aktiviste, možda se u jednu ruku pribojavaju da ćeš im svojim programom
preoteti članove, ili da će ako počnu i ovim aktivnostima da se bave imati
manje vremena za njih.
[/quote]
Hvala ti na ovome, to mi nije ni palo na pamet posto ovaj centar za inovacije nikako nije zamisljen kao takav da uzima nekome clanove vec da jaca lokalne organizacije koji vec rade sa mladima. Doduse to je tesko objasniti aktivistima ako ti ne daju priliku :slight_smile:.

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Nije lako sa mladima. Sa jedne strane neće kako
odrasli kažu, ali ako ih pitaš šta hoće onda ne znaju. Pre 5-6 godina sam isto
tako pravio anketu u srednjim školama da saznamo šta ih zanima,motiviše, u
kakve sekcije žele da se uključe, šta bi radili a nemaju uslova…Nisu znali da
mi odgovore.
[/quote]

Da, to su mi rekli i prijatelji nastavnici. Mi danas mladima previse govorimo sta se treba raditi a premalo im dajemo izbora i premalo nacina da ispolje kreativnost. Koristimo ih kao mobilne baze podataka u koje ""natovarimo"" podatke. Oni te podatke kasnije ""istovare"" kad dodje vreme za ispite i eto...
Zato je centar za inovacije vazan. Akcenat se stavlja na sirenje znanja i to onog koje te u skoli ne uce i direktno prakticne aplikacije tog znanja...znaci ucenje kroz stvaranje i eksperimentisanje.
Da, imao si dobar pristup. I mi sad gledamo u tom pravcu (zato sam iznad spomenuo multimedia i robotiku). Takmicenja i nagrade su super ideja, to je nesto sto sam vec ukljucio u aktivnosti centra (samo eto nisam ga predstavio).

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Da si hteo veću masu na radionici, trebao si
organizovati za vreme nastave u školama. Čudim se da ti to anon343270668 nije
sugerisala, i biblioteka to praktikuje.
[/quote]
Jesu mi to sugerisali ali meni to nije bio cilj, veca masa djaka nije bila potrebna ali bi bilo super da su ostale skole (kao Sandra iz ekonomske) dovele po 4-5 djaka (da oni budu ukljuceni od pocetka posto je projeanon3213561856 za njih). Cilj ove radionice je bio da se lokalne organizacije (kao sto ste vi) koje su u kreativnom sektoru i koje rade sa mladima upoznaju sa projektom, da se povezemo svi u jednu cijelinu i otvoreno razgovaramo o centru za inovacije. Znaci da nadjemo najbolje rijesenje da svima bude dobro.
To je osnovni princip bilo kog startupa: otidji PRE PROJEKTA i istrazi trziste, dobi povratne informacije, napravi nesto sto rijesava konkretne probleme ljudi, oblikuj tako projeanon3213561856 i to donosi uspijeh. Iako ovo nije moj projeanon3213561856 ni moje firme, isti se principi primjenjuju.

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Audio-video radionice možeš uspešno organizovati sa
onima koji još nisu radili takve stvari ,ako si već ostvario lični kontakt,
imaš na šta da se nadovežeš. Malo ko ovde ima praksu, jeste da koristimo
messenger, skype-ali pretežno sa nama poznatima.
[/quote]
Jasno, ja se vec povezujem sa raznim organizacijama iz Srbije, Hrvatske i EU, koje podrzavaju ovakve projekte. Takodje najbolja opcija je povezanon598341349je direktno u Srbiji sa fakultetima iz sektora vezanih za nas sadrzaj. Tu mozemo naci mlade profesionalce kojima treba iskustvo. Mi im damo priliku da steknu to iskustvo i damo im mjesto gdje ce biti dok su u Beceju i dnevno za hranu. Za sve postoji rijesenje :slight_smile:. 

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Konkretno šta ti predlažem.Kao prvo ti moraš da izložiš
svoje jasne-konkretne ciljeve,planove i rešenja. U svom izlaganju da se osvrneš
na što više pozitivnog primera iz prakse.Tu ti možda može pomoći Dr Nikl, ne to
da si umoran ili da ti od ovoga nemaš nikakvu korist…
[/quote]

Znas i sam zasto sam to rekao, zato sto nas Srpski mentalitet postavlja uvijek jedno isto pitanje: ""a sta on tu ima od toga, gdje se on tu uvalio, ko zna koliko on zaradjuje od toga"" itd...zato sto su navikli na muljanja, lazi i prevare. Ja cu od pocetka biti transparentan i trudim se napraviti organizaciju u cijoj ce strukturi biti Becejci i EU partneri...a ne JA. Ne mogu to da izlozim doduse ako ljudi ne daju priliku. Sve je vec napravljeno, put koji moramo preci i kako ga preci. Primjera dobre prakse imam koliko hoces. Ja sam bio u 3-4 razlicita prostora koji se bave slicnim stvarima kao sto mi zelimo ili rade segmente toga. Doduse nista od toga se nece desiti ako se ne umjesa lokalna zajednica. Rekli smo vise puta, Edgeryders ce biti partneri lokalnim zajednicama koje su aktivne i preduzetne. Imam osjecaj da ljudi ocekuju da ja ovaj projeanon3213561856 iznesem na ledjima ili da to neko drugi uradi(i znam da je to najlakse za ljude). Ja bi tako djelovao da ja to radim u okviru moje firme ali s'obzirom na prirodu projekta to nema smisla. Ja znam iz prakse da to nece funkcionisati u manjoj zajednici kao sto je Becej, prema tome prvi korak je dovesti lokalne organizacije u projeanon3213561856 i to ne tako sto ce reci ""mi smo za saradnju"" pa se nigdje ne pojave i ne ucestvuju u potrebnim inicijativama. Treba ljudi da shvate da to nece biti moj projeanon3213561856 vec njihov. Ja sad sve postavljam i razmisljam na takav nacin da projeanon3213561856 bude tu i za 20 godina, to je veliki izazov. Nema smisla ulagati toliko vremena i energije u nesto sto ce se ugasiti za 2-3 godine kad istekne finansiranje iz EU.

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Trebaš otići u škole da te upoznaju. Direktor
najverovatnije neće preuzeti na sebe ali će ti predložiti kontakt-profesora. Najbolje
da se prve radionice organizuju u školi za vreme nastave, npr času razredne
nastave. Treba da znaš da u svakom razredu ima 2-3 učenika koji će biti
zainteresovani za preduzetnišvo, i šta ako su zainteresovani baš putnici. Treba
dvojezično, znači i na mađarskom jeziku. Jer možda će razumeti ali će
se već ustručavati da ti postave pitanje jer ne znaju da se izraze.

Ili zamoliš direktora da svaki profesor iz svog
razreda izdvoji 2-3 učenika ,koji su zainteresovani za preduzetništvo i da
pošalju na radionice srpski-mađarski. Koja će se održavati u školi za vreme
nastave.
[/quote]
Da, to je vec odluceno. Vidio si u radnoj grupi da sam napisao da dolazim u Becej sad u petak/subotu. Tu sam u petak ujutro i obici cu sve skole koje stignem.
Takodje sam u kontaktu sa vise profesora i nastavnika, skolskih drugova, koji ce mi moci pomoci u tome.
Pricao sam o tome kako ukljuciti obe zajednice u projeanon3213561856 sa par prijatelja kojima je Madjarski prvi jezik, dobar predlog si dao. Cilj je svakako da se ukljuce svi ljudi iz zajednice jednako a ne samo oni sto pricaju Srpski ili Madjarski kao maternji. Ja nemam izbora doduse, ja cu svu komunikaciju raditi na Srpskom ili Srpsko Hrvatskom :slight_smile:.

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Postavljati im konkretna pitanja, ponuditi izbor. Treba da znaš da im je već
dosta učenja-bubanja, jedva čekaju da završe školu. Treba im ponuditi
aktivnosti koji na zabavan način rešavaju probleme. Osvrnuti se na to da uz ove
radionice stiču praksu, kontakte koje će moći kasnije da iskoriste u
pronalaženju posla. Znamo vrlo dobro da većina posle završene srednje neće
raditi u svojoj struci.
[/quote]

Naravno, to i jeste svrha ovakvog centra...imaju mladi dovoljno bubanja. 

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
U ekonomskoj školi su mahom devojčice koje pojma
nemaju šta je CNC mašina, a možda su čule za 3D štampač. Ove stvari su
interesantne u tehničkoj školi, jer su tu uglavnom dečaci iz te branše.
Gimnaziju pohađaju đaci koji posle završetka treba da uče dalje jer sa ovom
školom nemaju struku u ruci…
[/quote]

Naravno, o tome smo pricali pred kraj radionice. To je cinjenica, ja sam vec gledao primjere dobre prakse i stvari koje bi bile zanimljivije ucenicima iz ekonomske.
Doduse ne treba gledati na skole u koje djaci idu kao definitanon598341349 zivotni izbor. Ja imam druga iz masinske koji je postao gradjevinski inzinjer, iz gimnazije koji je postao inzinjer elektrotehnike, iz ekonomske koji je sad u IT. Puno je takvih osoba.

Nama je cilj da oni otkriju razne nove stvari koje ne uce u skoli, da to otkriju kroz stvaranje i eksperimentisanje. Na taj nacin im stimulisemo um u pravcu kreativnosti i otvaramo nove opcije pri izboru nekog zivotnog puta kasnije. Kao sto je Dr. Nick rekao, danasnji srednjoskolci ce mijenjati puno vise profesija/poslova nego mi. U takvom svijetu se dolazi do uspijeha tako sto si kreatanon598341349, znas rijesavati probleme, znas vise od jedne stvari. 

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Što se Bečejskih preduzetnika tiče, bio sam član
udruženja. Oni koji znaju nešto ili su uspešni-nemaju vremena i energije da se
bakću ovakvim stvarima. Neće da rasipaju pamet iliti stvaraju sebi
konkurenciju. Oni koji imaju vremena-nemaju šta da ponude-od njih nemaš opet
koristi. Kod njih je akcenat na profitu. Što se tiče IT sektora možda bi ti
trebao da podeliš pozitivno iskustvo, da uputiš zainteresovane.Da na tom polju ti
pokreneš nešto konkretno.

Najzainteresovaniji mladi za preduzetništvo su
mladi bračni parovi koji su počeli da stvaraju svoj zajednički život. Posle
završetka školovanja oni već znaju da super plaćeni posao nije lako naći. Možda
od njih dvoje jedno ima stalno zaposlenje a drugo još traži nešto. Planiraju i
porodicu…Oni ako se ne snađu ubrzo, odlaze preko da tamo žive i rade.
[/quote]

U pravu si. Nama i nisu cilj ostvareni preduzetnici vec nam je cilj da pomognemo tu drugu skupinu koju si spominjao. Cilj nam je da im damo alatke pomocu kojih mogu stvarati a i da im prosirimo vidike sto se tice njihovih mogucnosti.
Evo 2 odlicna primjera iz Srbije:
[Prica 2 izuzetne djevojke](https://www.mojafirma.rs/intervju/nasa-posla-ostanite-verni-svojim-principima/)
[Kreativac koji radi sa cijelim svijetom iz Srbije](https://www.mojafirma.rs/intervju/hookl-und-stool-puno-srpsko-drvo-kvalitet-i-mnostvo-sati-rucnog-rada-za-namestaj-koji-osvaja-svet/)
I za kraj primjer iz IT (IT je inace najunosniji i najfleksibilniji sektor zato sto mozes da radis sa cijelim svijetom iz svoje kuce ili iz naseg centra):
[Ivan Minic](https://www.mojafirma.rs/autor/anon598341349-minic/)

IT primjera imam koliko hoces, to je najbrze rastuca industrija u Srbiji.
U Beogradu na radionici nam je pricao Uros Banjesevic, osnivac https://www.madheadgames.com/ koja sada zaposljava preko 150 ljudi.

Jedno je zajednicko za sve te ljude, bili su kreativni, istrajni i puno su radili.
Ja se trudim biti isto takav tako da, svijestan sam da je ovo tek pocetak price u Beceju i da je dug put pred nama. Ja sam spreman hodati tim putem a vidim i ti, tu su i mnogi drugi koje cu sresti sad u petak/subotu u Beceju.
Javicu ti se pa da zajedno nadjemo najbolja rijesenja za centar za inovacije.

[quote=""anon47544591, post:2, topic:11945""]
Ova radionica u biblioteci možda nije ispunila
neka očekanon598341349ja, ali po meni je veoma dobra polazna tačka za nastavak.
[/quote]
Slazem se, bio sam malo razocaran ali sam svjestan da sam i ja napravio greske, ucimo non stop.
U svakom slucaju, idemo napred. Bez ovakvih inicijativa buducnost nam ne izgleda bas lijepo...razlika izmedju nas na Balkanu  i mnogih razvijenih zemalja je jako velika. Meni je cilj da danasnjim klincima priblizim startu poziciju u trci zivota malo blize njihovim vrsnjacima u nekim drugim zemljama.

Pozdrav i hvala na svim komentarima, vidimo se :slight_smile:"
4,66102,2019-11-28T08:23:02.573Z,11945,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,65976,anon3346229079,anon47544591,@anon3218287029 je [ovdje](https://edgeryders.eu/t/mogucnosti-za-razvoj-i-uspeh-mladih-ljudi-povezanon598341349je-teorijskog-i-prakticnog-znanja/11567/7) pricala o problemima u Srbiji sto se tice prakse za mlade profesionalce. To nam je bas dobra prilika da eto u isto vreme pomognemo njima i sebi.
5,66107,2019-11-28T09:01:59.000Z,11945,1,14,13,1,0,0,42.8,66102,anon47544591,anon3346229079,"Ćao
drago mi je što si odgovorio.

Vidim da si shvatio da mi namera nije bila da te kritikujem.

Vidimo se u petak u 12 u Bečeju

Pozdrav

anon3346229079 via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
6,66108,2019-11-28T09:05:52.219Z,11945,0,13,12,2,0,0,27.6,66107,anon3346229079,anon47544591,"
naravno, kad je svrha kritike da se poboljsaju stvari onda to treba da se uzme ozbiljno  i sa zahvalnoscu :slight_smile:"
7,66123,2019-11-28T10:03:08.880Z,11945,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,65919,anon396586483,anon3346229079,"Pozdrav svima. 

Radionica je bila zadovoljavajuca s obzirom na stanje svesti mladih u Srbiji ili lokalu. Sve ove ideje su dobre i treba ih izgurati do kraja ali mislim da je na pocetku najvazniji pristup mladima i kako se prica oblikuje da bi njima bila prihvatljiva. Svaki pocetak je tezak ali ako se napravi dovoljno kvalitetna osnova i napravi plan kojim treba da se ide mislim da sa Centrom za inovacije nece biti greske. 

Po meni, ne treba se osloniti samo na tehnologiju, u redu da to bude prioritet jer se tehnologija eksponencijalno razvija i ako ne uhvatimo korak, kasnije ce biti sve teze. Svi vidovi kreativnog izrazavanja treba da budu uzeti u obzir."
8,66144,2019-11-28T11:00:21.434Z,11945,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,66123,anon3346229079,anon396586483,"Pozdrav Mire,

Istina i slazem se. Najvaznije je pogledati koji vidovi kreativnog izrazavanja vec pokrivaju organizacije u Beceju. Ja jos uvijek nemam punu sliku ali definitivno nam nije cilj da zamjenimo postojece organizacije vec da ojacamo postojece organizacije sa jedne strane a sa druge da se fokusiramo na stvaranje neceg novog. Eto primjera ekoBecej. Mi vec sad gledamo kako mozemo pomoci jedni drugima i kroz tu saradnju ojacati i pomoci zajednici. Za mene je umjetnost vazna kao i IT, iako donosi manje profita :slight_smile:. Nama je cilj da pomognemo mladima da se ostvare, da stvorimo sredinu u kojoj je to moguce. Da li ce to biti kroz pravljenje robota ili pravljenje raznih stvari od otpadnih materijala koji se mogu ponovo koristiti, slikanje i vajanje? To meni nije vazno. Mi treba da stvorimo ono sto je potrebno a to cemo saznati kroz otvoren dijalog, ukljucanon598341349je razlicitih organizacija i kroz razgovor sa mladima i kreativnim ljudima."
9,66642,2019-12-02T13:29:59.258Z,11945,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,65976,anon2446385507,anon47544591,"Puno hvala na savetu @anon47544591 !
Žao mi je što nismo više razgovarali, ali donio sam vaš poklon u Belgiju! Dodaću fotografiju u okvir čim to budem mogao! Želim vam puno sreće u ostatku 2019. godine!"
10,68445,2020-01-09T01:02:08.371Z,11945,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,65919,anon343270668,anon3346229079,"Još jedan pozdrav od mene!  

Izvinjavam se što se nisam odmah, od početka, aktivno uključila u diskusije, zaista nisam imala vremena. Ali, eto, sada sam pročitala većinu ličnih priča i diskusija, pa računam da je kašnjenje oprošteno :wink: 

Nisam uključena u e-mail prepisku, jer sam na radionici zaboravila da unesem svoje podatke i e-mail adresu. Na Facebook grupi sam podelila svoje prve utiske i , iako mi se sad ne da da proveravam, ali sigurno i dalje mislim to što sam napisala i onda, a generalno se slažem sa zapažanjima ostalih koji su prisustvovali.

Što se tiče planova za dalje, kada su u pitanju radionice u Bečeju, mogu potvrditi da biblioteka, kao ustanova, pa i direktorica lično, daje punu podršku za dalje korake u realizaciji ovih radionica. Povodom 121. godišnjice biblioteke u Bečeju, obeležene na svečanom programu u decembru, direktorica je u svom govoru spomenula i Edgeryders zajednicu i javno izrazila nadu da će se saradnja naše ustanove i ove zajednice nastaviti i u budućnosti! Tako da: slobodno nas-me cimajte za bilo šta što treba,  a što mi možemo da pomognemo :slight_smile:

Ako je u planu da se radionice fokusiraju na školsku decu, mislim da je važno uzeti u obzir, ne samo vreme radionice (tokom nastave, što je sugerisao i @anon47544591 ), već i to da se samo trajanje radionica skrati.

Takođe, mislim da je važno u ovu priču uključiti školsku decu, ne samo iz Bečeja, već i iz okolnih naselja (B.Gradište, Radičević, B.P. Selo), jer je tamo programska ponuda za decu, van škole, izuzetno siromašna, skoro nepostojeća.

Na kraju, pored promocije i davanja podrške tehničko-tehnološkim, IT strukama i veštinama u okviru projekta/osnanon598341349ja Centra, bilo bi dobro ako bismo osmislili i dopunili ''ponudu'' sa davanjem podrške i drugim veštinama i oblicima stvaralaštva, preko umetnosti, muzike, kulture i sl., što je spomenula, koliko se sećam, i @anon2384804228 u okviru svoje ideje za radionicu. 

Toliko od mene, za sada. Laku noć, dobro jutro i dobar dan! :blush:

P.S. Kontakt sa medijima, pre radionica, je isto jako važan, po mom mišljenju, ali ne samo u vidu najave i poziva, nego predstavljanja same zajednice i budućih planova, kako bi se atmosfera demistifikovala malo, a poruka o jačanju i spajanju i drugih organizacija , a ne ''otimanju članova'', bila skroz jasna. :smile:"
11,68530,2020-01-10T04:36:07.640Z,11945,0,9,8,1,1,0,6.8,68445,anon3346229079,anon343270668,"[quote=""anon
Što se tiče planova za dalje, kada su u pitanju radionice u Bečeju, mogu potvrditi da biblioteka, kao ustanova, pa i direktorica lično, daje punu podršku za dalje korake u realizaciji ovih radionica. Povodom 121. godišnjice biblioteke u Bečeju, obeležene na svečanom programu u decembru, direktorica je u svom govoru spomenula i Edgeryders zajednicu i javno izrazila nadu da će se saradnja naše ustanove i ove zajednice nastaviti i u budućnosti!
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To su odlicne vijesti, imamo 4 organizacije vec koje zele ozbiljno ucestvovati u projektu.

[quote=""anon
Ako je u planu da se radionice fokusiraju na školsku decu, mislim da je važno uzeti u obzir, ne samo vreme radionice (tokom nastave, što je sugerisao i @anon47544591 ), već i to da se samo trajanje radionica skrati.
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Da, to je bila jedna od stvari koje cemo definitivno morati primjeniti ako zelimo da i dijeca ucestvuju u projektu.

[quote=""anon
P.S. Kontakt sa medijima, pre radionica, je isto jako važan, po mom mišljenju, ali ne samo u vidu najave i poziva, nego predstavljanja same zajednice i budućih planova, kako bi se atmosfera demistifikovala malo, a poruka o jačanju i spajanju i drugih organizacija , a ne ‘‘otimanju članova’’, bila skroz jasna. :smile:
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Nadam se da cu moci to ispraviti sad za 15ak dana :slight_smile:"
1,68368,2020-01-08T08:55:00.401Z,12320,0,7,6,10,0,0,51.4,68368,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Strašně rád bych tu otevřel debatu, která se týká landgrabbingu. Pod pojmem landgrabbing se rozumí zabírání velkého množství zemědělské nebo lesní půdy pro účely výstavby, a to jak průmyslové tak například bytové. Dále jsem samozřejmě patří zabírání půdy pro různé těžební procesy.

V minulém roce se podařilo rozjet velké hnutí (nebo spíš medializovat a dostat do veřejného povědomí) boj se zvyšováním produkce skleníkových plynů, které pak v důsledku vedou k oteplování planety. Do popředí se tak dostal boj se snižováním emisí kysličníku uhličitého - CO2. Co jde ale ruku v ruce s vypouštěním skleníkových plynů a úplně stejnou ne-li vetší měrou přispívá k oteplování planety je právě degradace ekosystémů.

V českých podmínkách si lze například snadno představit krajinu Jižní Moravy, která v posledních desetiletích začíná vypadat jako polopoušť. To, co bylo dříve jednou z nejurodnějších částí země - kde se produkovalo ovoce a zelenina - je dnes prašnou krajinou. Na té se dá ještě jakž takž něco vypěstovat, ale je zde čím dál těžší žít. Každoroční událostí je zde zaplavení vesnic nánosy bahna jako důsledek vodní eroze. Písčitá půda totiž - když zaprší - není schopná se na poli udržet. Každoročne se tak z polí do jihomoravských vesnic vyplaví několik tun bahna. Víc info zde: [Z-poli-se-rocne-splachne-21-milionu-tun-urodne-pudy-za-10-miliard](https://archiv.ihned.cz/c1-66701170-z-poli-se-rocne-splachne-21-milionu-tun-urodne-pudy-za-10-miliard-zabranit-tomu-ma-nova-vyhlaska)

V létě pak holé a prašné lány jsou rozpalovány horkým sluncem do nebývalých teplot. Na denním pořádku je také to, co bývalo pomyslnou výsadou severní Afriky - totiž písečné bouře. Opět tatáž a stejná pohádka - písečné pole prostě neodolá silným větrům a ten pak roznáší po krajině písek smíšený se vším, co zemědělci do půdy dávají: pesticidy, herbicidy, hnojiva. A mnohé z těchto látek jsou prokázanými karcinogeny, jiné škodí jiným způsobem (vyrážky, dychací potíže).

To, že jsme v Kambodži mohli vidět na jihu země obrovské množství půdy systematicky zabírané pro podporu čínských investic u města Sihanoukville, není velkým překvapením. Kambodžská vláďa je ohromně zkorumpovaná, prohnilá a jejich jediným zájmem je vlastní krátkodobý ekonomický zisk. Bohužel ani kambodžská společnost není připravená ani vybavená schopnostmi se postavit vlastní neschopné vládě a ohromné mase čínských investic. Většina kambodžanu ani není schopná domyslet, jaké důsledky bude tahle zkáza mít za jedno dvě desetiletí nebo obecně vidět tyhle věci v hlubších ekonomicko-socialně-enviromentalnich souvislostech. U České společnosti si rádi myslíme, že je vyspělá. Přesto jeden z největších problémů naší země - degradace ekosystémů a úbytek zemědělské půdy a znehodnocování ekosystémů nepochybne je - se teprve dostává do zájmu médií a do povědomí trošku širší společnosti. Velice by mě zajímalo, jak se Česká společnost a česká politická garnitura dokáže s touto situací vyrovnávat v následujícím desetiletí.

Z mého pohledu je jedinou naději probuzení mladé generace. Fridays for Future Univerzity za klima, Mladí zelení a spousty dalších. Mládí vpřed!!"
2,68447,2020-01-09T07:51:59.176Z,12320,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,68368,anon4241195410,anon927244916,"ahoj Jirko, diky za prispevek. 
Ja v tomto ohledu spoliham na hospodarskou krizi, ktera nas z tehto veci snad vythrne. Lidi nebudou tak oblbli penezma, jako jsou ted, a zacnou snad zase trochu myslet na veci, na kterych opravdu zalezi."
1,68128,2020-01-03T11:14:28.664Z,12291,1,5,4,14,0,0,76.0,68128,anon311920576,anon311920576,"1. Co je vaše profese?

Jsem farářkou Církve československé husitské.

2. Jak jde dohromady práce farářky a doktorandky na environmentalistice?

Dobře, pro mě je další studium přirozenou součástí duchovní cesty a práce na sobě, environmentalistika pak oborem, jak v praxi jednou z možných cest realizovat “péči o Stvoření”.

3. Kolik času měsíčně vám zabere “farářování” a kolik doktorandování?

To se nedá říct, předně jsem farářkou na plný úvazek, studium realizuju ve svém volném čase a průběžně, je to můj zájem a moje osobní cesta a volba, jak naložit se schopnostmi a dary, které do života mám.

4. Jaká je podle Vás role církve a spirituality obecně v současné...hmmm...materiálně zaměřené společnosti?

Myslím si, že církve by mohly v dnešní společnosti být inkubátory občanské statečnosti, zdravého sebevědomí a odpovědnosti. Místy, kde lidé nacházejí touhu po skutečném poznání a pravdě. Jde o to, abychom v lidech dokázali probudit vědomí k opravdové svobodě, o které mluvil Kristus, a hlavně jí žil a ukazoval ostatním. Tedy i odklon od přílišné materializace života k dalším hodnotám.

5. Jaký je podle vás stav životního prostředí na jižní Moravě? Měli bychom se bát o budoucnost?

Jižní Morava schne a stává se polopouští. Je to alarmující a měli bychom být připraveni na to, že budoucnost se bude odehrávat v jiných klimatických podmínkách a v jiných kulisách, než na jaké jsme zvyklí a jaké máme třeba rádi. Za jak dlouho to bude, těžko říct, ale citelné změny přicházejí už v rozmezí délky života jednotlivce.

6. Opravdu vás překvapilo pozvání na Brněnské finále Týdne pro klima? Dává Vám studentské hnutí za klima velké naděje, nebo jste spíš realista?

K představitelům církví jsou lidé spíše skeptičtější, podezřívavější a často se vůči nám, farářům a farářkám, vymezují - asi na základě nějaké obecně vžité představy o duchovních a církvích, což je vlastně škoda. Naději mi dává obecně aktivita veřejnosti, vědomí, že my sami můžeme něco změnit, pokud budeme skutečně chtít a budeme vytrvalí a důslední."
2,68200,2020-01-05T18:51:20.609Z,12291,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,68128,anon4241195410,anon311920576,"Diky za zverejneni tohoto rozhovoru, ktery jsme spolu udelali uz pred nejakou dobou. 
Budu ted delat prijimacky na Enviro na FSS, tak doufam, ze se tam brzy potkame:)"
3,68366,2020-01-08T07:52:16.018Z,12291,0,2,1,1,1,0,5.4,68128,anon1732021886,anon311920576,"Můžu jemon potvrdit z našich cest po Hodonínsku, Mikulovsku, Břeclavsku:(
[quote=""anon311920576, post:1, topic:12291""]
Jižní Morava schne a stává se polopouští. Je to alarmující a měli bychom být připraveni na to, že budoucnost se bude odehrávat v jiných klimatických podmínkách a v jiných kulisách, než na jaké jsme zvyklí a jaké máme třeba rádi. Za jak dlouho to bude, těžko říct, ale citelné změny přicházejí už v rozmezí délky života jednotlivce.
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1,68159,2020-01-04T10:29:45.374Z,12296,0,8,7,6,0,0,31.6,68159,anon252190516,anon252190516,"Tématu bytové politiky v Ostravě se díky své účasti ve Food not Bombs věnuji již několik let. Ačkoliv se tato iniciativa přímo nezaměřuje na konkrétní řešení neuspokojivé bytové situace, pracujeme s lidmi, kteří byli jejím stavem osobně ovlivněni a ocitli se v bytové nouzi. Aktivně se zapojujeme do podpory zákona o sociálním bydlení a snažíme se jej uvést v platnost pomocí petic a demonstrací, během kterých komunikujeme s širokou veřejností a snažíme se vznést do povědomí jeho důležitost. Taktéž vyzýváme městské zastupitele k urychlenému jednání, neboť zejména v Ostravě je problematika bezdoplatkových zón velmi palčivá. Stejně jako jiná města po celé republice se Ostrava potýká se stále se stupňující gentrifikací. S tímto problémem jsme se osobně setkali, když jsme bydleli ve velmi uzavřené a zanedbané městské části, která je označována jako ostravské ghetto.  Občanská vybavenost v této čtvrti je naprosto tristní, ať už se týká nedostatku popelnic na počet obyvatel, či vůbec kontejnerů na třízený odpad, které i přes časté žádosti, v této čtvrti vůbec nezřídili. Tímto vzniká problém častých černých skládek a znečištění ulic. Za povšimnutí stojí pouze investice do zdi oddělující sídliště od nájezdu na dálnici, která této čtvrti ještě více přidala na neviditelnosti a izolaci. Ze strany města nedochází k žádným jiným krokům ke zlepšení životní úrovně v této oblasti. Jejich vize řešení současné situace je drasticky odlišná od toho, co by každý jiný považoval za efektivní. Příkladem může být pravidelné zazdívání uvolněných bytů, což již vytvořilo mnoho prázdných domů, které sousedí se stále obývanými domy, bohužel je ale čeká stejný osud, jakmile je nájemci opustí, nebo budou nuceně vystěhováni. I my jsme se nejméně dva roky potýkali s neochotou města prodlužovat nájemní smlouvy na delší dobu, než několik měsíců. Jejich zdůvodněním byla plánována revitalizace celé čtvrti, spojená s vystěhováním některých domů bez jakékoliv bližší časové specifikace, kdy revitalizace započne, aby se na to nájemníci měli možnost připravit. V současné době nám prodloužili nájemní smlouvu na 10 měsíců, během kterých budeme nadále usilovat o udržení svého domova.  V bytové politice se snažíme co nejvíce vzdělávat a poznávat její úskalí i v jiných městech. Ukázkou může být například Hacanon3213561856on o dostupném bydlení, který proběhl na podzim tohoto roku v Brně. Zde jsme měli příležitost si s ostatními  účastníky nastínit bytové situace ve svých městech a oblastech a pokusit se řešit konkrétní problémy vypracováním různých projektů od uměleckých po politicky angažované. Bereme si velkou inspiraci z velmi úspěšného Brněnského projektu Housing First, který poskytl mnoha lidem v bytové nouzi dlouhodobě udržitelné bydlení. Doufáme, že v příštích letech vzniknou podobné projekty v celé České republice a že se problematika bytových situací přestane stigmatizovat a dostane do popředí v politických debatách."
2,68175,2020-01-04T16:22:55.625Z,12296,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,68159,anon4241195410,anon252190516,"Klárko, mockrát Ti děkuju za napsání tohoto postu. Už během hacanon3213561856honu mě zaujalo spousta věcí, které zmiňovalas v úvodu, tedy v predstavovací části hacanon3213561856honu.

To, jak se město chová, je těžko pochopitelné. Tedy za předpokladu, že člověk má za to, že město jedná hlavně s cílem zajištění co nejlepšího pro svoje obyvatele. Bohužel tady člověk musí vidět, že městští polititci hájí především svoje zájmy - ať už přímo ekonomické nebo zájem na zalíbení se většinovým voličům.

To je každopádně jen o další důvod víc, proč se lidi jako vy (? snad my!! ) musíme ozvat a neúnavně bojovat. Cimz chci dodat všem kuráž! Na druhou stranu si myslím, že to nebude vůbec ale vůbec jednoduchy:("
3,68365,2020-01-08T07:49:09.567Z,12296,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,68159,anon1732021886,anon252190516,Snad ta gentrifikace s chladnoucí ekonomikou taky trchu zpomalí.
1,68155,2020-01-04T07:18:09.112Z,12294,0,9,8,5,0,0,26.8,68155,anon2181357011,anon2181357011,"Asi jste si už všimli, že trávim poměrně dost času v pražský Dělnický 43. Ještě pořád se najdou tací, kteří se mě ptaj, co mezi těma anarchistama, kterejm jde jen o prachy, pořád dělám. Tak to zkusim znovu trochu shrnout.

Žil jsem poměrně dlouho dobu v Kamerunu, kde maj 37 let stejnýho prezidenta, kde platěj něčim, co je fixně vázaný k euru a kdokoli se snaží realizovat v ekonomickém rozvoji svého okolí a začne konkurovat státu (třeba zpracovávat hliník, který ho má Kamerun fakt hodně), okamžitě je zaříznut a pokud přežije, už si neškrtne. Po skoro 10 letech strávených v tropický Africe jsem se musel z bezpečnostních důvodů vrátit zpět do ČR a byť jsem samozřejmě nadále dění ve své bývalé domovině na dálku pozoroval, jsem hodně překvapen, jak moc se česká vládnoucí garnitura začíná svým přístupem podobat diktátorským ale pořád demokratickým režimům v Africe.

Jistý rozdíly pochopitelně stále najdeme. Když v Kamerunu zavřou do vězení novináře za dobře odvedenou novinářskou práci, nikdo si skoro nedovolí ani štěknout. Český novinář sedět asi jen tak nepůjde, na druhou stranu většina českých medií je ve vlastnictví těch nejbohatších na stát napojených jedinců, či korporací, případně samotného předsedu vlády, kde moc objektivity nenajdeš a nezávislá media zas nikdo nečte, protože nejsou zadarmo.

V Paralelní Polis se potkávám s inteligentníma a inspirativníma lidma, kterým jde o svobodu, soukromí i smysluplný rozvoj celé naší společnosti. Zatím jsem nenašel jinou instituci/komunitu, která by kladla důraz právě na tyto pro mě zásadní aspekty života. Kdo mě zná, ví, že se dost nerad hlásim k nějaký ideologii, subkultuře, nebo prostě jen skupině lidí, která uvažuje trochu/hodně odlišně od ostatních. Zároveň mi je ale ještě cizejší popík. Nikdy, fakt nikdy, jsem nebyl rád za to, že někam patřim. Většinou proto, že to znamenalo přítomnost dalších lidí, která mě většinou dost sere. Proto jsem se koneckonců odstěhoval do pralesa.

Paralelní Polis je pro mě takovej českej prales s obrovskou rozmanitostí, která není zdaleka probádána a zároveň vnímám, jak moc je důležitý, že ji máme. Chápu, že svoboda není pro každýho, ale právě proto musíme dělat všechno proto, aby těm, kteří o ní stojí, nebyla omezována, jen proto, že to ostatním je prostě u prdele, v horšim případě jen nechtěj přijmout odpovědnost za sebe sama.

Šifrovaná komunikace, kryptoměny, darkweb, to jsou všechno nástroje, který nám v dnešní době konečně umožňujou žít nezávisle na státu - tedy bez jeho kontroly. Demokratický stát (ano i Kamerun je demokratický stát) považuju za nefunkční model uspořádání naší společnosti, který začne být doufám brzy vytlačován decentralizovanějšími koncepty založenými více na reputaci, důvěře a transparentnosti, které povedou ke zvyšování životní úrovně nás, lidí. Těm, kteří po mně i po ostatních chtějí, abychom se měli hůř a aby nám bylo nakazováno, co máme dělat, bych rád vzkázal, naserte si!"
2,68214,2020-01-06T06:32:45.142Z,12294,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,68155,anon4241195410,anon2181357011,"Díky moc, Martine, za tvůj příspěvek; 
řekněme, ze se opravdu začneme přibližovat decentralizovnejsim způsobům organizace. Jak si myslíš, že se to může stát?
Například, že stát sám sebe začne postupně legislativně omezovat/ odsouvat do pozadí? Nebo zdola - že budou lidé ztrácet důvěru a zájem o státní vysoce centralizované struktury ...a budou se přirozeně přesouvat k využívání těch decentrlizovanejsich? Lokálnějších?"
3,68364,2020-01-08T07:43:48.022Z,12294,0,5,4,1,1,0,6.0,68214,anon1732021886,anon4241195410,"Někteří už dávno ztratili 
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důvěru a zájem o státní vysoce centralizované struktury
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1,68127,2020-01-03T11:11:06.433Z,12290,0,7,6,4,0,0,21.4,68127,anon311920576,anon311920576,"Dobrý večer,

jsem farářkou Církve československé husitské a vlastně je mi trochu s podivem, že jsem zvaná mluvit na Týdnu pro klima. Proč? Už v roce 1967 historik Lynn White vyslovil obvinění vůči křesťanům, resp. židovsko-křesťanské kultuře a označil jí, potažmo nás za viníky ekologické krize. Whitovo obvinění bylo sice vyvráceno, ale fakt, že lidstvo hodnotu přírodního bohatství přepočítává optikou výtěžnosti a zisku pro vlastní potřebu a obohacení se potvrdil. S důsledky našeho nemoudrého jednání a lidské nenasytnosti jsme konfrontováni v každodenním životě čím dál častěji a ve větším počtu. Už je to víc, než desetiletí, kdy zástupci ostrovních států na klimatických summitech vyslovili obavy o svou bezpečnost, kvůli zvyšující se hladině oceánských vod. Přirozeně - byli a jsou první na ráně. Ale dnes, a to ani moc vody “neuplynulo”, už je takových lidí víc a nejen u moře či oceánu. Mnoho z nás, kteří zatím žijeme relativně v klidu (i když nám například za Brnem - ejhle, nově vzniká polopoušť), pociťujeme vzrůstající obavy o osud země, planety. Někteří i jednáme, jsme vidět a slyšet (byť na radnici je dneska zhasnuto a dělají, že tu nejsme). Ten tzv. heterosexuální bílý muž (občas ale i žena) když si s lidmi, jako jsme my, neví rady - protože říkáme a upozorňujeme na to, co nechce slyšet, má tendenci dehonestovat nás, posílat pryč, někam do klidu, do ústavu, zpátky do školy … Prostě “radši ať jdeme dělat něco užitečného”. Mě při tom napadá jedna věta z legendárního představení Čtyři dohody - “vrať se do svého pokoje a přijď, až budeš normální!” Jenže víte co - i kdyby nám všem, stovkám tisíc environmentálně truchlících a protestujících lidí sebrali za trest mobily a zakázali počítače a vycházení z pokojů třeba na rok, ona tady ta klimatická změna se všemi možnými důsledky a projevy stejně bude dál. Tak kdo tady je a není tzv. normální?

Mezi lidmi “nihil novi sub sole” snažit se umlčet toho, tu či ty, kteří našli odvahu a nechali promluvit své svědomí, intuici, selský rozum, emoce (klidně i strach), fakta či výsledky vědeckého poznání. Krista ukřižovali, když říkal a dělal, co se nehodilo, paranoidní psychopat Nero o pár desítek let později pronásledoval jeho stoupence. Dějiny znají hrdinné postavy, ale i psychopatické vládce, na tom se ani dnes nic nemění, vidíme obé kolem sebe. Jde o nás, jde o ty, kteří přijdou po nás, o Zemi a budoucnost, která se určuje přítomností.

A jestli k tomu tedy jako farářka mám něco říct, chci připomenout dávnou spirituální moudrost, součást duchovní dimenze života, která říká, abychom vzali svůj kříž a šli. Tedy abychom jednali. Jak? I na to má Písmo odpověď - usilovat o moudrost, o pravé poznání, včetně poznání sebe sama a skutečného smyslu života, usilovat o pravdu (opravdu ![|16x16](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/FAcig2KlF1wICSXjeEwihfByEldxHgeCJekrTABgpqWQ0oORcmf6fWvKCaizo3gC8UIOiXmkXgiSVOnDKhQgn6-XLQEkr9OdcAFdXbufQyjJoT5-PVeI7lSgBfpV1LI53ZEFCpqx):-)) Nenechme si svázat ruce myšlenkou, že na takové věci není čas a jsou bláznovstvím v tomto světě. Naopak. Jen my sami můžeme být tou změnou, žádný vůdce za nás tuhle práci neudělá, ani ji žádný režim nemůže přikázat. Přála bych si, abychom se přestali bát toho, že náš život nebude dost dobrý a přitažlivý, když třeba budeme víc chodit pěšky, žít celkově trochu pomalejším tempem, méně nakupovat a hromadit a víc tvořit společenství s druhými lidmi, zajímat se o ně v reálném, netoliko jen virtuálním, čase a světě. Když budeme víc pozorovat a učit se z přírody o tom, že jsme součástí celku, ne jeho nadvládci. Poslední tři papežové apelovali na naše ekologické jednání - pokud budeme nadále žít, jako dosud, zanecháme příštím generacím přespříliš trosek, pouště a špíny. To může vyústit pouze do anon3213561856astrof a ti, co přijdou po nás, budou muset snášet ty nejhorší důsledky. Pokud dnes někdo označuje ty, kteří varují a jednají, za hysteriky, nemocné nebo nedospělé, chová se většinou sobecky, sebestředně a povýšeně. Přitom zajímat se o ochranu přírodního dědictví a upozorňovat na jeho destrukci je prostě lidské a přirozené - tedy, mělo by být.

Je to už taková zaužívaná fráze, že jen život, který žijeme pro druhé, stojí za to, ale v kontextu současného dění mám pocit, že ta věta dostává další rozměr. Děkuju za vaší pozornost."
2,68199,2020-01-05T18:48:42.743Z,12290,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,68127,anon4241195410,anon311920576,"Diky, Sandro. Byl jsem tam a bylo mi velkou cti poslouchat vas proslov. Byl naplneny optimismem, ktery v dnesni dobe tak moc potrebujeme. Jeste jednou velke diky - i za to, ze jste souhlasila se zverejnenim vaseho proslovu tady u nas na foru."
3,68363,2020-01-08T07:41:18.435Z,12290,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,68127,anon1732021886,anon311920576,"Děkujeme, byli jsme tam taky!"
1,68000,2019-12-30T06:59:09.485Z,12275,0,7,6,5,0,0,26.4,68000,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Ahoj ahoj!

tak ještě poslední post, trochu o jídle, trošku o rovnováze mezi regulacemi (Ať už ve jménu bezpečnosti, pokroku nebo čehokoli jiného) a mezi osobní svobodou každého z nás.

Začnu asi od konce: kolikrát byste si tipli, že tady v Asii vidíme za den čtyři lidi na jedné motorce? kolikrát z toho řídí tu motorku desetiletý kluk? Kolikrát za den vidíte sedět lidi na korbě pickupu? nebo stát? A můžeš vubec ještě vidět něco takového v Česku? 

Rád by ses projel nebo projela na korbě pickupu nebo vůbec? 

Budou mně zpátky v Česku tyhle věci chybět nebo vůbec? Já se teda musím přiznat, že strašně.

Nech chci teda smutnit po nějakých starých časech, ale tohle je fakt škoda, že zpátky v Evropě potažmo v Česku už prostě některé věci dělat nesmíme. Protože je to pro nás prý moc nebezpečný nebo jinak nevhodný.

Tuhle svobodu těm thajcům, musím se přiznat, socela dost závidím. Taky jim závidím to, že ty jejich děcka si běhají v partičkách po venku a hrají si s nějakou Káčou nebo s nějakou podobnou blbostí. Tohle teda závidím i generaci svých rodičů - že tohle tak nějak všichni měli.

No a teď teda k tomu jídlu: samozřejmě asijský jídlo úplně miluji. v Brně patříme k velké komunitě lidi, co si pravidelně strašně pochutnávají na vietnamském jídle, který je na každém rohu. Takže tady je to pro mě něco jako ráj. nebudu vyjmenovávat všechny recepty, které tady strašně miluju. Ale musím říct, že teď ke konci dovolené už se dost těším na nějaký to český žrádýlko - třeba klidně na toho kapra s bramborovým salátem -  kterému jsem se snažil vyhnout.

 Zdarec jak sviňa."
2,68218,2020-01-06T07:06:22.768Z,12275,1,4,3,1,0,0,10.8,68000,anon4241195410,anon927244916,"Díky za téma. Já jsem určitě z těch, kteří smutní po tom, když jsme na chalupě mohli jezdit na vozejku za autem. Budu smutnit samozřejmě i poježdění na motorce ve třech lidech:) po stopování a ježdění na korbách toyot.

Obecně je to samozřejmě palčivá otázka. Co regulovat a co nechat na zdravém rozumu lidí. V Asii to nějak funguje...ze skútry řídí malý děcka a sedí jich na něm 5. Ze se na těch skútrech převáží náklady, který bys doma nakládal do dodávky.

Ale bojím se, že do Ceska už to vrátit nejde. Lidi už si tak zvykli na všechny ty bezpečnostní regulace, že jezdí jako blázni (za mě hodně velký eufemismus). Takže zase asi až na dovolené."
3,68362,2020-01-08T07:39:05.027Z,12275,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,68218,anon1732021886,anon4241195410,Mně bude určitě chybět ježdění na přeplněných motorkách!
1,67983,2019-12-29T05:22:34.512Z,12270,0,7,6,4,0,0,21.4,67983,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Ahoj vespolek, tohle bude asi náš poslední post z cestování.

Na závěr našich cest po Kambodži jsme se rozhodli vypravit do oblasti tropických lesů na jihozápadě Kambodži. Kde se nachází nespočet národních parků a celkově hodně přírodního bohatství. S kamarádem @anon4241195410 jsme se tedy rozhodli tohle místo prozkoumat trochu do hloubky. Jedak jsme se těšili, že zase uvidíme Snad nějaká divoká zvířata a jednak nás zajímal život místních komunit.

Hned jak jsme vystoupili z vypunkovaný dodávky na hlavní silnici, tak jsme málem šlápli na Kobru. asi dvě minuty nato jsme zahlédli dva zuborožce - krásný zvířata podobný jihoamerickým tukanům. Řekli jsme si, že tohle docela dobře začíná, ale bohužel už jsme další hodně za jinak zvířata v dalších třech dnech neviděli. ale popořadě. Nejdřív jsme pokračovali pěšky asi 10 km od hlavní po prašné cestě. scenerie byly úchvatné. všude les občas nějaká krajina, kde se mísila step a les. Jak jsme si říkali, že dojdeme celou cestu až k vesnici, tak ejhle. Jako již tradičně nás prvotní pohled do mapy trochu zmátl. a vesnice nebyla 14 km od Hlavní cesty ale spíš 28. takže jsme byli rádi, že dvěma mladým mužům na motorce se nás zželelo, a i přesto že vezli několik pytlů rýže,  dokázali nás nějak vměstnat na svoje motorky.  pak už věci nabraly rychlý spád. Nejdřív nás odvezl k sobě domů. tam jste se pokoušeli nějak komunikovat o tom, co tam děláme, jak dlouho zůstaneme, kde chceme spát (nevíme, je nám to jedno) a podobné věci. Nicméně rukama nohama to nějak dřelo. Pak se objevil nějaký Random týpek na motorce v dresu Chelsea a odvezl nás oba na své motorce na policejní stanici.  tam byly věci chvíli taky docela chaotické. Nicméně brzy se ukázalo, že úmysly policistu jsou přátelské. nabízí nám brzy jídlo cigarety  a houpací sítě na přespání. takže do vesnice Thma Bank, kterou jsme náhodně vybrali na mapě uprostřed zeleně vyznačeného pásu Země, jsme se nějak dostali.

Další den jsme pokračovali do nějaké další vesnice, na doporučení policistů. Tam už si nás rozebrali místní. Vozili nás na motorce po po vesnici, přivezli nás k vodopádu, k místní loděnici a na závěr na svatbu. Čímž byl náš osud až do večera zpečetěn. Po společensky náročné návštěvě svatby jsme rozbili spaní na pobřežních kamenech u vodopádu. No romantika jako sviňa. Akorát se teda celou noc blýskalo  (My byli samozřejmě na eventualitu deště naprosto nepřipraveni) a jednoho z nás klasicky postihla hnačka. Jinak ráno jsme museli samozřejmě zase na svatbu a pak už jsme museli zase zpátky do civilizace, abychom nabrali směr Thajsko. Odkud nám už za pár dní letí letadlo. Zvířat jsme tedy neviděli zas tak moc, ale komunity jsme si užili až až. Takže Konec dobrý všechno dobré! 

Zdarec!"
2,68219,2020-01-06T07:14:22.274Z,12270,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,67983,anon4241195410,anon927244916,"Diky diky. Ja jeste pridavam 3 fotky ze svatby.

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3,68361,2020-01-08T07:37:09.602Z,12270,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,67983,anon1732021886,anon927244916,"Tohle jsem teda zamáslil, že jsem tam nejel:("
1,64712,2019-11-19T15:58:52.174Z,11652,0,14,13,6,0,0,92.8,64712,anon2867672406,anon2867672406,"Big congratulations to the POPREBEL team, especially @anon781457888, @anon2446385507 and @anon

* 154 contributors
* 230 topics
* 1,007 posts, with 240K words

The ethnographers are hard at work coding, and have so far produced 669 annotations with 384 codes. 
The social network of interactions  looks like this:

![image|690x399](upload://x5VlslMpzWsQl24gg6mlRVvySHg.png)  

As usual, there are about a dozen people with no connections. But other than that, everything is going quite well, so congratulations to the team!"
2,64762,2019-11-19T19:57:34.753Z,11652,1,12,11,1,0,0,42.4,64712,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"This is amazing! we did half of the 3-year target in 8 months :) Very glad to hear it, and yes, I still have to connect some of the lose ends, I was just swamped with other work - will take care of it in the coming weeks for sure. Nobody will be lose by the end of this year :)"
3,64767,2019-11-19T20:35:10.382Z,11652,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,64762,anon3379710332,anon3593942245,Gratulacje!
4,64804,2019-11-20T08:08:58.930Z,11652,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,64712,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"I believe the big node in the upper right side is Natalia. But I'm curious where @anon1274458134, @anon3346229079 and @anon3353600255 are. They are important nodes and well connected for sure!"
5,64814,2019-11-20T09:00:48.054Z,11652,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,64804,anon2867672406,anon2446385507,"Does this help?


![image|690x402](upload://u6T5cadL06FXddPbGwtAUyHw3ik.png)

This is @anon1274458134. The bright nodes within the pale circle are the ones directly connected to him.

![image|690x402](upload://2AJ7HhJ0EwTnzG3qhV101yxQNdf.png) 

And this is @anon3353600255:

![image|690x402](upload://zlaHeMJ3TZdqMjgTBDAm4iDRpGK.png)"
6,68248,2020-01-06T15:25:21.282Z,11652,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,64712,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"Hello!

An update from my side, I have responded to all posts from 2019 that did not have any connection, so the chart should look different now - although I also signed up approx 30 new members on the platform whose registration forms will need some new approach and strategy on how to keep them engaged in the following year, and some of these members have no responses yet. I guess that will depend now on the Polish community manager."
1,58458,2019-08-27T13:13:49.791Z,10624,0,12,11,8,0,0,72.4,58458,anon3042048015,anon3042048015,"**Działalność społeczno - zawodowa**
Zawsze anon1235093333łem pociąg, żeby coś robić dla ludzi w anon1235093333rę swoich możliwości. To były jakieś pojedyncze aktywności w zależności od potrzeby. Brakowało mi narzędzi, warsztatu do tego i dlatego poruszałem się po omacku, więc poszedłem do Szkoły Praw Człowieka prowadzonej przez Helsińską Fundację Praw Człowieka. Ona już wtedy była mocno rozpoznawalna i wydawało mi się, że jak ją przejdę, nauczę się czegoś od nich i poznam osoby, które to robią w sposob dużo bardziej zorganizowany czy zinstytucjonalizowany – może nawiążemy jakąś współpracę. Ile mogłem, wyciągnąłem z tego. Byłem na wszystkich zajęciach. Przed egzaminem wziąłem tydzień urlopu i przeczytałem wszystkie materiały dane nam na zajęciach i wyszukane. Bez strachu poszedłem do prof. Rzeplińskiego, nie czekając w kolejce. To chyba było dobre posunięcie, bo dostałem od Danuty Przywary propozycję, żeby się do nich zapisać. Chcieli mnie wysłać gdzieś na wschód, żeby nieść kaganek oświaty prawoczłowieczej. Odmówiłem. Mam taką tendencję, że w większości spraw, które ludzie mi proponują, odmawiam. Miałem wtedy taką pracę zawodową, że absolutnie nie dało się wyrwać. Byłem żołnierzem zawodowym. Wzięli mnie do wojska przymusowo na studiach – na przeszkolenie absolwentów. Dostałem dwie oferty, obydwie były atrakcyjne. Z jednej nie mogłem skorzystać z powodów rodzinnnych. Druga była naprawdę rewelacyjna. Zawsze chciałem pracować dla państwa, społeczeństwa. Nigdy nie anon1235093333łem problemu z pełnieniem jakiejś służby. Atrakcyjność tej pracy polegała na tym: zawarli ze mną dżentelmeńskie porozumienie, że pozwolą mi się spokojnie prawniczo rozwijać. Przez bardzo długi okres dotrzymywali słowa. To się potem zmieniło, ale to za wiele lat. W wojsku byłem przez 18 lat. Na przeszkoleniu byłem w Poznaniu, Krakowie, a potem w Lublinie. A służyłem w Dęblinie i w Warszawie. Odszedłem jako pułkownik, bo wyczerpały się moje pokłady cierpliwości. Z jednej strony dlatego, że w wojsku - w sposób dla mnie nie do zaakceptowania - robi się karierę w pejoratywnym znaczeniu tego słowa. Nie jest tak, że ludzie awansują, bo są ambitni i ciężko pracują, żeby coś osiągnąć, tylko są ambitni chorobliwie i awansują, żeby mieć kasę, prestiż, mniej pracy. W wojsku takie osoby, które mają plecy, znajomości, rodzinę, którzy potrafią pić z kolegami na umór i udzielają się towarzysko, nawet jak są kompletnie bez predyspozycji do wojska, to tam robią karierę.

Fachowo taka służba nazywa się stosunkiem służbowym typu administracyjnego. To nie jest umowa o pracę. Powołanie do wojska niczym szczególnym się nie różni. Mogą się ciebie pozbyć w każdej chwili i możesz też odejść w każdej chwili. Próbowałem robić dużo różnych rzeczy, będąc w wojsku. To było już po Szkole Praw Człowieka. Na jednym ze zjazdów absolwentów poznałem absolwenta starszego rocznika. Zakolegowaliśmy się. Interesowało nas prawo humanitarne. On poznał mnie z kolei ze swoim kolegą ze studiów, który był mocno zaangażowany w prawo humanitarne też naukowo. Nawiązaliśmy na tyle ścisłą współpracę, że pracowałem jako wolontariusz w Ośrodku Praw Człowieka Uniwersytetu Jagiellońskiego *(dalej: UJ* ). Tak na początku się nazywał, a potem rozwinęliśmy działkę humanitarną do tego stopnia, że nawet zmienił nazwę na: „Ośrodek Międzynarodowego Prawa Konfliktów Zbrojnych i Praw Człowieka”. Zrobiliśmy bardzo dużo rzeczy. Marcin był przewodniczącym albo wiceprzewodniczącym komisji od prawa humanitarnego przy Polskim Czerwonym Krzyżu. Piotrek kilka razy wyjechał na wojnę do Afganistanu czy Iraku jako cywil – specjalista ds. prawa humanitarnego. Wydaliśmy pierwszy podręcznik do prawa humanitarnego. Było tego kilkaset sztuk. Do tego stopnia to była pożądana pozycja, że rozeszła się w mgnieniu oka. Wziąłem ze sobą pudełko tych książek do Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego na jakąś konferencję związaną z tym tematem. Wydarli mi je z tego pudełka, każdy je chciał. To było naprawdę bardzo udane wydawnictwo. Potem robiliśmy mnóstwo innych rzeczy: organizowałliśmy konferencje dla studentów i doktorantów, kursy dla żołnierzy na jednej z uczelni wojskowych, które bardzo im się podobały, bo były z dużą częścią aktywnych zajęć. To nie było siedzenie w ławkach. Nawet generałowie uczestniczyli w tych kursach i bardzo sobie je chwalili. Zrobiliśmy też jakiś projekt unijny razem. Na bazie naszej współpracy zacząłem studia doktoranckie na UJ. Potem współpraca w sposób naturalny rozpierzchła się. Skończyłem studia, ale doktoratu nigdy nie obroniłem, bo nie mam czasu go napisać. Potem doszedłem do wniosku, że nie ma to sensu, bo to nie podnosi mojej pozycji zawodowej w Polsce w żaden sposób, a dydaktyka nie jest czymś, co by mi się podobało. Chociaż z przykrością stwierdzam, że od czasu do czasu się tym zajmuję. Nie anon1235093333łem jednocześnie żadnej szansy na działalność naukową, a to mnie najbardziej interesowało. Ponieważ nie było takiej szansy, dałem sobie spokój. Zmieniam trochę to podejście pod wpływem ostatniej swojej działalności społeczno – politycznej. Powoli dochodzę do wniosku i utwierdzam się w przekonaniu – nie wiem czy słusznie – że w swoim życiu zawodowym nieproporcjonalnie dużo czasu poświęcałem pracy typowo zarobkowej, a za mało pracy społecznej. I myślę, że tak samo można powiedzieć o dziesiątkach tysięcy polskich prawników, dziennikarzy, politologów, ekonomistów itd. - ludzi z mojego pokolenia. Myśmy nie wyedukowali społeczeństwa i dlatego ono trochę przypomina społeczeństwo angielskie. Jeśli w ogóle pracuję, to w drodze z pracy kupię sobie piwo i chipsy, a przez resztę dnia siadam z piwem i pilotem w ręku przed telewizorem. I tak wygląda moje zainteresowanie światem, mimo że możliwości rozwoju osobistego są w tej chwili praktycznie nieograniczone, nawet jeśli ktoś nie jest majętny. To jest jedna z największych porażek mojego pokolenia. Dlatego wydaje mi się, że gdybym wrócił do tego doktoratu i odnowił kontaktu uczelniane, może jakoś udałoby się zwiększyć starania i coś porobić.

Tym bardziej, że ostatnio coraz więcej w tym zakresie zacząłem robić: uczestniczę w tygodniach konstytucyjnych, nawet komercyjnie prowadzę zajęcia o prawie w małych miejscowościach. Widać tam zainteresowanie, mimo że prowadzę zajęcia w branży medycznej. To są ludzie o wysokim stopniu wykształcenia, o dużej świadomości zawodowej i nie tylko. Najbardziej liczebną grupą są pielęgniarki, ale pracuję też z innymi grupami: fizjoterapeutami, ratownikami medycznymi, położnymi. Być może to pozwoli mi na jakąś działalność dydaktyczną. Wolałbym prowadzić działalność naukową, a dużo lepiej czuję się w akcyjnej działalności społecznej. Od jakiegoś czasu jestem w organizacji prawoczłowieczej. Na razie niczego tam dla siebie nie znalazłem. Moja obecność sprowadza się do płacenia składek. Czasami zrobię coś dla niej takiego prawniczego. W takich działaniach, jakie ona prowadzi na co dzień, póki co nie odnajduę się. Na razie nie mam na nie czasu. Z drugiej strony nie mam wiedzy z zakresu przeważającej działalności, czyli migrantów z Ukrainy.

Ostatnio wystąpiła duża rewolucja w Iustiti lubelskiej – stowarzyszeniu sędziów. Zmieniły się osoby we władzach. Coś tam się powoli rozkręca. Przede wszystkim wspólnymi siłami – radcowsko – adwokacko – sędziowskimi i uczelnianymi – zrobiliśmy przedstawienie procesu Szewczyka Dratewki. Zrobiliśmy już pierwszą kafejkę prawną i będą one kontynuowane. Udało się znaleźć lokalizcję. To było najtrudniejsze w Lublinie. Ani knajpy nie chciały się zgodzić ani miejskie instytucje kultury. Tylko ze względu na znajomość z szefem lokalu udostępniono nam miejsce, ale poszukiwania zajęły dobre trzy miesiące. Mówiono nam po prostu, że w tym celu nie udostępnią sali. To jest taka działalność stricte prawnicza. Chodzi przede wszystkim o sędziów, żeby pokazali trochę ludzkiego oblicza i zaczęli wychodzić do ludzi. Wydaje mi się, że nasze działania to dobry kierunek. To jest możliwość spotkania każdego człowieka z przedstawicielami różnych zawodów prawniczych i porozmawiania o praktycznych aspektach życia. Wydaje mi się, że to taka działalność, której nie wolno zaniedbać i należy ją rozwijać. Chcieliśmy pojechać na dni Jarosławia, zaczęliśmy się przygotowywać, ale burmistrz Jarosławia nam odmówił. Podejrzewam, że to jest po prostu strach przed władzą centralną. Iustitia jest przeciwko temu wszystkiemu, co się robi jako tzw. reforma wyanon1235093333ru sprawiedliwości: od Trybunału, przez Sąd Najwyższy po Krajową Radę Sądownictwa. Myślę, że przez obecną władzę są bardzo źle postrzegani.

**Potrzeba nacisku społecznego**
Zdecydowanie jakość życia nam się pogarsza. Widać to w porównaniu z tym jak szybko rozwijają się anon1235093333sta na zachodzie Polski. Jedyne, co może się zmienić, to świadomość ludzi. Bez względu na to kto jest i będzie prezydentem anon1235093333sta, i jaka będzie rada miejska, brakuje bieżącego i stałego nacisku społecznego, żeby cokolwiek się zmieniło. Ludzie muszą mieć skuteczne instrumenty pozwalające mieszkańcom rzeczywiście współdecydować o tym, co się dzieje na ich osiedlach. Takich instrumentów ani w polskim prawie ani w polskiej kulturze nie ma. Nie ma takiej możliwości, żeby ktoś kto dzierży władzę, tą władzą się podzielił. Nie będzie tak, że w parlamencie wysłuchania publiczne będą wtedy, gdy tylko obywatele sobie tego zażyczą albo odbędą się obowiązkowe konsultacje społeczne różnych projektów, ograniczające dyskrecjonalną władzę Sejmu. On tego nie chce. Tak samo lokalnie – nikt nie wprowadzi skutecznych instrumentów demokracji bezpośredniej, bo zawodowi politycy nie chcą się władzą dzielić. Sami z siebie tego nie zrobią. To musi być oddzielny ruch społeczny, który to wymusi. Są takie okoliczności, które pobudzają społeczeństwo. Tak jak czytam różne książki o ruchach społecznych, to w Polsce jednak musi się przelać czara goyczy. U nas duże ruchy były głównie robotnicze itd. Dopóki gospodarka jest w jakiejś kondycji, nikt się nie będzie przejmował. W Polsce przez cały czas gospodarka jest w jakiejś kondycji.

**Etos pracy**
Wchodziłem na rynek pracy w okresie przełomu. Pierwszą działalność zacząłem jeszcze na studiach, a do pierwszej pracy poszedłem w klasie maturalnej. Zawsze mnie ciągnieło do tego, żeby zobaczyć jak wygląda świat z drugiej strony. Dla nas – całego mojego pokolenia – w przeciwieństwie do ludzi na Zachodzie, praca 60-70 godz. w tygodni to nic nadzwyczajnego. Nikt się nigdy nie upominał o jakieś urlopy, nadgodziny czy zwolnienia. Ja na zwolnieniu lekarskiem byłem raz: 10 dni po operacji onkologicznej, przez 30 lat pracy. Jest mnóstwo ludzi takich jak ja, dlatego pokolenie tych 40-50 latków zapewnia temu społeczeństwu dobrobyt. Tylko on nie będzie trwał wiecznie. Wydaje mi się, że kolejne pokolenia już tak o tym nie myślą. Wszczepiono nam, żebyśmy tak pracowali, bo od początku nam mówiono, że to jest historyczny moment, przełom, kiedy jak nie teraz. Było takie słynne powiedzenie lat 90tych: „Teraz już możemy wziąć sprawy we własne ręce”. No więc wszyscy brali swoje sprawy we własne ręce: zakładali jakieś działalności gospodarcze, pracowali na 3-4 etaty jednocześnie. Bardzo dużo z tego zostało, bo jak spotykam w swojej pracy zawodowej ludzi, na różnych zakrętach życiowych, to są bardzo często osoby, które są zapracowane na maksa i zawsze pracowały na więcej niż jeden etat. Nawet jeśli siedziały na etacie, to anon1235093333ły swoje gospodarstwo rolne albo pracowały u teściów na gospodarstwie albo anon1235093333ły swoją drobną działaność typu sklep we wsi. To się wiąże ze wstawaniem o 2-3 rano, żeby pojechać po świeże warzywa czy po chleb. Teraz jesteśmy w takim okresie, że zrównała się ilość emerytur dla osób ze starymi emeryturami – pozostałości jeszcze po PRL ( *przyp* . *Polska Republika Ludowa* ) z emeryturami osób urodzonymi po 1948 roku. Statystycznie emerytura wg starego systemu, czyli osób urodzonych do 31 grudnia 1948 r., wynosi ponad 4 tys. zł, a bez emerytur górniczych – 3 600 – 3 800 zł. A w nowym systemie średnia emerytura wynosi 2 100 zł. Dla osób, które będą w nowym systemie emerytalnym prorokuje się, że ich emerytura będzie wynosiła maksymalnie 30% przeciętnego wynagrodzenia, czyli dzisiaj w Polsce to będzie niewiele ponad 1 000 zł netto. To nie jest satysfakcjonujące. Wydaje mi się, że to jeden z najistotniejszych problemów do rozwiązania i sprzyjających populizmowi. Polska jest krajem o największych różnicach majątkowych w Europie. Nie jestem socjalistą, może trochę lewakiem, ale raczej centroliberalne mam poglądy. Natoanon1235093333st mam pewną wrażliwość społeczną i dużą wagę w swoich poglądach poświęcam sprawom społecznym. Jest sporo takich rzeczy, które dla przeciętnych ludzi są bardzo istotne. Emerytury są jedną z istotniejszych. Tak samo zaspokojenie potrzeb mieszkaniowych jest jedną z takich kwestii. W Polsce nie ma równomiernego rozkładania uwagi pomiędzy różne części kraju, w których są takie same istotne problemy społeczne. Cały czas mówi się o reprywatyzacji w Warszawie, ale poza Warszawą o reprywatyzacji nikt nie słyszał. Może w takich dużych anon1235093333stach jak Kraków. Ktoś tam może przebąkiwał na ten temat między słowami, ale nie oszukujmy się – przecież w Lublinie takie zjawisko również występuje. Nie na taką skalę, ale występuje. Ono nie jest mniej patologiczne, tylko na mniejszą skalę, bo jest mniej kamienic, mniej mieszkańców, po prostu mniejsze anon1235093333sto. I nikt w związku z tym tak bardzo się tym nie interesuje, ale indywidualne przypadki, konkretne osoby, przeżywają to tak samo jak te w Warszawie. To są życiowe tragedie, życiowe problemy, wcale nie mniejsze niż w stolicy. Natoanon1235093333st płaca minimalna to zagadnienie mocno makroekonomiczne. W normalnej gospodarce minimalna płaca powinna uwzględniać cały szereg czynników o charakterze ogólnogospodarczym. U nas w państwie jest ona ustalana sztywno, centralnie. Można sobie wyobrazić inne rozwiązania. W większości sytuacji było jednak tak, że decydującym głosem - z powodu kulejącego od zawsze dialogu trójstronnego - zawsze słuchano tylko jednej strony, czyli pracodawców, dlatego płace są na bardzo niskim poziomie. Sam znam takie osoby, które szczycą się tym, że płacą jak najmniej swoim pracownikom. Ludzie pracują u nich za minimalne wynagrodzenie, bo za tyle muszą. Ewentualnie dają dodatkowe pieniądze ludziom pod stołem. To jest praktyka na Lubelszczyźnie bardzo żywa. Bardzo dużo ludzi tak pracuje. Natoanon1235093333st oni sami żyją na poziomie mocno magnackim. Dorobienie się w Polsce kosztem innych jest możliwe z dwóch najważniejszych powodów. Po pierwsze, Polacy są bardzo słabo wykształceni. Nie mówię o tym, że nie skończyli jakiejś szkoły, tylko ta szkoła, którą się w Polsce kończy, w ogóle nie przygotowuje ludzi do życia: takiego dorosłego, świadomego. W wyniku czego przeciętny polski pracownik nie ma umiejętności negocjacji swoich warunków zatrudnienia. Z tym się wiąże chociażby świadomość swojej wartości na rynku pracy. Poza brakiem wykształcenia, drugim czynnikiem, który pozwala na takie traktowanie pracowników, jest brak mobilności. Ludzie u nas są jak w czasach pańszczyzny przywiązani do ziemi. Sami siebie tak traktują. Jak osobę, która nie pojedzie, nie poszuka lepszej pracy, nosa nie wyściubi ze swojej wsi. To jest do tego stopnia problem, też dla gospodarki w skali makro moim zdaniem, że ten czynnik hamuje w ogóle aktywizację zawodową. Część osób poszłaby do pracy, ale w miejscu, w którym stoi ich chałupa z dziada pradziada, a ponieważ takiej pracy nie ma, są bezrobotnymi całe życie.

Moim zdaniem nie ma różnic co do kosztów życia w różnych częściach kraju. Mam rodzinę w Warszawie, często jestem w Warszawie, pracuję tam. Nie wydaje mi się, że żeby zrobić zakupy codzienne, trzeba wydać więcej, a nawet niekiedy mniej. Nie wiem dlaczego są takie różnice w zarobkach. Może dlatego, że życie w Warszawie wygląda inaczej, więcej wydaje się usługi. Na pewno częściej korzysta się z usług. Myślę, że to bierze się pod uwagę. Bierze się pod uwagę też to, że w większym mieście zarobisz więcej. W związku z czym możesz zachęcić pracownika - dobrego, perpektywicznego - z mniejszego ośrodka, żeby przyjechał pracować u ciebie. Takiego, którego u siebie – w wydojonym z pracowników rynku pracy - już nie znajdziesz. Bardzo istotne moim zdaniem jest to, że są takie regiony w Polsce – jak Lubelszczyzna – gdzie nie ma kompletnie dobrych miejsc pracy. W tym sensie, że są to inne usługi niż najtańsze, typu call center bądź po prostu praca w urzędach. W Lublinie nie ma innej pracy: kilka uczelni, szkół, urzędów, szpitali. Jeśli są jacyś prywatni pracodawcy, to częściowo ci, o których mówiłem – wyzyskujący, którzy więcej niż minimalną stawkę, płacą tylko pod stołem, „na czarno”, a dużych pracodawców nie ma wcale. Natoanon1235093333st średni pracodawcy, traktujący swoich pracowników inaczej niż jako siłę roboczą do wydojenia, to incydentalne przypadki. Wydaje mi się, że to kwestia polityki centralnej. Jeżeli to się nie zmieni, dysproporcje pomiędzy Polską wschodnią i zachodnią będą coraz szybciej rosły. Na razie to się nie zmienia, co widać po lokowaniu inwestycji: na Śląsku Górnym, Dolnym, na Pomorzu, czasem na Mazowszu blisko Warszawy – nie na wschodzie.

**Polska metropolitalna**
Poza tym zjawisko deglomeracji w takim państwie jak Polska jest bardzo istotne. Nie ma tutaj jednego silnego ośrodka miejskiego. Np. w Grecji – w Atenach – mieszka 40-45% społeczeństwa greckiego. Na 10,5 mln Greków 4 mln mieszka w Atenach. W Polsce jest dużo ośrodków miejskich. Jest bardzo dużo średnich i małych anon1235093333st. W województwie lubelskim, liczącym 2 mln mieszkańców, połowa z nich mieszka w anon1235093333stach – mniejszych lub w większych. Mimo że to region rolniczy. Jeśli wszystkie centralne instytucje są wyłącznie w Warszawie, a bardzo rzadko gdzie indziej, nie sprzyja to tendecji rozwijania regionów, bo ich waga nie jest taka sama. Nie widzę uzasadnienia czemu nie wyprowadzić z Warszawy części instytucji centralnych po innych anon1235093333stach w Polsce. Kolejna przeszkoda w rozwoju takich regionów jak Lublszczyzna to brak możliwości stworzenia metropolii, które regionalnie dawałyby impuls. W metropolii zawsze zostają dodatkowe pieniądze, bo ma ona trochę inne zadnia niż samorząd terytorialny. To pozwala np.: rozwinąć transport czy szkolnictwo na wyższym poziomie dla ludności zamieszkującej pod dużymi anon1235093333stami. Uważam, że gdyby np.: w Lublinie dałoby się zrobić taką metropolię, Lublin bardzo by na tym zyskał. I te metropolie powinny mieć określone cechy. Posłużę się tylko jednym przykładem: jeśli ktoś w Polsce zdecydował, że ma być 4-5 wiodących uczelni, bo na więcej nas nie stać, to pozostałe regiony w swoich metropoliach powinny mieć uczelnie, które będą regionalnymi centrami edukacji na poziomie wyższym. Moim zdaniem nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie, żeby taki ośrodek uczelniany anon1235093333ł miejscowe filie. Tak jak państwowe wyższe szkoły zawodowe w Chełmie czy w Białej Podlaskiej, które niczego nie wnoszą do niczego moim zdaniem. Gdyby połączyć te potencjały, to coś by z tego było. Teraz status lokalnych uczelni z czasem się degraduje. Jak kończyłem klasę maturalną w Lublinie, naturalne dla nas wszystkich było, że na prawo idziemy na UMCS ( *przyp.: Uniwersytet Marii Curie - Skłodowskiej* ), a na medycynę na Akademię Medyczną w Lublinie. Dla nikogo nie było sensu jechać do innego anon1235093333sta, bo poziomy uczelni były porównywalne. Natoanon1235093333st rozmawiałem na zjeździe absolwentów z młodszymi rocznikami w moim liceum i dla nich UMCS nawet nie był trzecim wyborem. Co oznacza, że poziom uczelni podupadł strasznie. Różnica jesat tylko taka, że my absolutnie nie mieliśmy wyboru wyjechać na studia za granicę. A dzisiaj idzieszz i studiujesz gdzie chcesz.

**Działalność polityczna**
Jestem członkiem Nowoczesnej i to był mój pierwszy związek z partią polityczną. Byłem jej członkiem od 2015 r., czyli na lubelszczyźnie od początku. Poanon1547754019łem w wyborach parlamentarnych. Wtedy też byłem na liście jako kandydat. W każdym razie to było moje jedyne kandydowanie jak na razie. Programowo to było wtedy najbliższe mi ugrupowanie polityczne. Było - jak to się dzisiaj mówi – progresywne. Chciało postawić na reformę polityk publicznych. To chyba jedyne hasło, które przebiło się społecznie, że można urządzić Polskę inaczej za te same pieniądze. Rzeczywiście w Polsce jest ogromna skala marnotrawstwa publicznych pieniędzy. Niewyobrażalna wręcz. Myślę, że w każdej dziedzinie, ale tak się mówi o niedofinnasowaniu służby zdrowia. Na pewno też dlatego, że przeznaczamy na nią za mały procent PKB, ale innym powodem niedofinansowania jest to, że pieniądze są marnowane na nieistotne rzeczy, różnego typu idiotyzmy. Wizją Nowoczesnej była Polska dobrze zarządzana. Gdzie usługi publiczne są w odpowiednim stosunku jakości do przeznaczonych na to środków publicznych. Pierwszą rzeczą jaką żeśmy zrobili w ramach Nowoczesnej było napisanie programu zreformowania służby zdrowia. To dość skomplikowany system, ale najprościej mówiąc, chcieliśmy położyć duży nacisk na profilaktykę, czego dziś nie ma w ogóle. To pozwoliłoby zaoszczędzić bardzo dużo pieniędzy, bo skuteczna profilaktyka, to mniej chorób, a mniej chorób, to mniej wydatków na leczenie. Profilaktykę należy szeroko rozumieć. Zarówno jako profilaktykę zdrowotną, jak i edukacyjną, czyli zupełnie inaczej wyglądają lekcje aktywności fizycznej dla dzieci. Mało dzieci korzysta z jakichkolwiek form aktywności fizycznej, co przejawia się otyłością, otyłość trzeba leczyć, a to przekłada się na pieniądze. Wiąże się dodatkowo z chorobami krążenia, cukrzycą, a to wszystko jest drogie. Druga rzecz to utworzenie konkurencji pomiędzy organizatorami systemu. Dzisiaj jest jeden NFZ ( *przyp.: Narodowy Fundusz Zdrowia* ), nie ma żadnej konkurencji i robi co chce. Nikt tak naprawdę nie sprawdza NFZ: czy procedury, które on wymyśla i szacuje – czy one są dobrze czy źle oszacowane. To pozostaje poza jakąkolwiek kontrolą, czego najlepszym przykładem w Polsce jest kardiologia lub opieka nad seniorami. Kardiologia w tym sensie, że operuje się przypadki nieoperacyjne tylko po to, żeby zgarnąć kasę z NFZ. Ludzi, którzy nie wyanon1547754019ją leczenia operacyjnego, operuje się na siłę ze względu na kasę. A z drugiej strony weźmy geriatrię, która zawsze była do tego stopnia niedofinansowana, że mimo że społeczeństwo się starzeje, nie ma nad nimi żadnej opieki: ani specjalistów ani ośrodków do tego przygotowanych. Chcieliśmy wprowadzić konkurencyjność, żeby tego rodzaju patologie wyeliminować. Żeby było tak, że ludzie się leczą tam i płacą składki tam, gdzie oferuje im się najlepsze usługi. W ostatnim raporcie Fundacji im. St. Batorego też jest jakiś pomysł alternatywny. Oni z kolei proponują, żeby zaanon1235093333st NFZ organizatorami systemu byli marszałkowie województwa, zarządy i sejmiki województwa. Pomysłów jest na to bardzo dużo. Oczywiście jest też kwestia zmniejszenia hospitalizacji, która jest bardzo droga. W Polsce jest za dużo osób hospitalizowanych, zwłaszcza w powiatowych szpitalach na tzw. internach. Z braku specjalistycznej pomocy, np.: seniorom, leżą tam osoby w starszym wieku, które w ogóle nie powinny być hospitalizowane. Po prostu leżą. Rodziny nie chcą się nimi zajmować, szpitale zapełniają lóżka, dzięki czemu mają pieniądze z NFZ.

Kolejna kwestia to wykształcenie kadr medycznych, których w Polsce jest o wiele za mało, jeśli chodzi o potrzeby. Trochę ostatnio przez podwyżki pielęgniarek poprawiło się w tej grupie zawodowej. Ale ta sytuacja nie dotyczy ani fizjoterapeutów ani ratowników medycznych, jednostek laboratoryjnych. Jednym ze sposobów zanon1235093333ny sytuacji braków kadrowych jest uwolnienie kierunków medycznych dla prywatnych uczelni. Jest takie przeświadczenie, że prywatnie się nie da i mało tych uczelni prowadzi takie studia lekarskie, nie wiadomo dlaczego. Nie wiem na ile ludzie zdają sobie sprawę, że uczelnie medyczne są jedynymi w Polsce, gdzie to rektorzy decydują o tym ile osób przyjąć na studia. Nie rynek o tym decyduje, nie organizator systemu, który ma dane, gdzie jakich lekarzy brakuje, tylko rektorzy. Wiadomo, że to są środowiska lekarskie i wiadomo, że zawsze będą prowadzić taką działalność, bo trudno, żeby prowadzili inną, żeby nie robić sobie konkurencji. Np.: wydział, który ma możliwość przyjęcia 200 studentów, przyjmuje 100. To jest większy komfort pracy i mniejsza konkurencja w przyszłości.

Także w Nowoczesnej najważniejszy był dla mnie program. Na początku też było bardzo dużo energii. Kiedy przychodziło się na spotkania organizacyjne, to byli ludzie, kórym się chciało, którzy mieli pomysły, którzy chcieli się angażować. To bardzo szybko się zmieniło. Właściwie pół energii wyczerpało się teraz po wyborach jak pewna grupa działaczy czy członków została posłami. Zaanon1235093333st zajmować się działalnością programową, dali się wciągnąć w jakąś bieżącą pyskówkę polityczną. W związku z czym połowie działaczy po prostu opadły ręce, bo nie do takiej Nowoczesnej się zapisywali. Nie chodziło im o przekrzykiwanie się na mównicy i w programie telewizyjnym, tylko o dyskutowanie nad konkretnymi rozwiązaniami i projektami, czymś pożytecznym publicznie. Tego zabrakło. Myśmy co prawda uruchomili parę fajnych programów. Tutaj w Lublinie przez rok działała dość liczna grupa programowa, która swoje doświadczenia zawodowe i życiowe z różnych dziedzin życia społecznego wnosiła do tych programów reform. O różnych rzeczach żeśmy rozmawiali: o programie energetycznym, o zdrowiu, o szkolnictwie, o nauce, o porządku publicznym, o wojsku... O wszystkim. Tych ludzi, co chcieli się angażować i poświęcali swój czas, żeby dyskutować w jakichś grupach, było naprawdę dużo. Tylko to też się wyczerpało, dlatego, że nie było żadnego odzewu z centrali. Nawet jak przygotowywaliśmy pierwszą konwencję programową Nowoczesnej, która była tak jakoś w 2016 r., brali od nas różne pomysły, kilkadziesiąt stron opracowania żeśmy wysłali do Warszawy, po czym tak naprawdę o programie na koniec decydowała grupka 4-5 osób, bez dyskusji. A nie wszystko w tym przyjętym programie działaczom lokalnym się podobało. Kim byli ci działacze lokalni? Albo przedsiębiorcy albo pracownicy uczelni. Nowoczesna nie było konkurencją dla żadnej opcji politycznej, dlatego że to było jedyne ugrupowanie., które anon1235093333ło program bardzo pragmatyczny, nie populistyczny. Myśmy nie ukrywali, że zrealizowanie takiego programu potrwa kilka-kilkanaścioe lat. Że to będzie się wiązało z doświadczeniami społecznymi i niektóre z nich wyjdą, a inne być może nie. Na początku była taka wola, żeby to zrobić i przeprowadzić, a jeśli jest się w opozycji – pokazać że można. Tylko to się bardzo szybko wypaliło. Lokalnie wypaliło się dlatego, że nie było żadnego odzewu z centrali. Nie było z nimi kontaktu. Zaczęli nadawać zupełnie na innych falach. Takich spotkań jak to słynne pierwsze na Torwarze, drugie takie duże w Gdańsku, gdzie przyjeżdżały rzeczywiście tysiące ludzi, atmosfera była reformatorska, szybko się skończyły. Właściwie kres Nowoczesnej to była ta sytuacja, po której nasi posłowie nie potrafili zagłosować nad projektem ustawy o zanon1235093333nie ustawy o IPN *(dalej: Instytut Pamięci Narodowej* ), gdzie jedna osoba zagłosowała świadomie z 29- osobowego klubu, a chwilę później w głosowaniu formalnym posłom i posłankom się pomieszało nad czym głosują i przepadł projekt „proaborcyjny”. To był ostatni gwóźdź do trumny. Potem już nikt nie chciał z dołu tutaj z nimi rozmawiać, bo nie było z kim. Odszedłem z Nowoczesnej na wiosnę tego roku. Po szeregu sytuacji, ale ostania była taka, że Nowoczesna weszła w Koalicję Europejską z tymi innymi ugrupowaniami i system doboru kandydatów na listy z ramienia Nowoczesnej okazał się drastycznie niedemokratyczny. To było coś czego nie byłem w stanie przełknąć, bo jednak zapisywałem się do ugrupowania, które mieniło się, że różni się od innych partii tym, że będzie demokratyczne i transparentne. Nic z tego.

**W polityce lokalnej**
Nie ma dzisiaj partii, która odpowiadałaby moim poglądom, bo nie ma partii centrowej w Polsce. Właściwie są ugrupowania ściśle skrajne: albo mocno lewicowe albo mocno prawicowe. Nie ma żadnego rozsądnego. W wyborach samorządowych głosowałem na kandydata na prezydenta na Magdę Długosz, a na listę: Ruch Miejski. PIS nigdy nie poprę z tego względu, że nawet gdybym anon1235093333ł koserwatywne poglądy, nie poparłbym ich, bo PIS łamie Konstytucję. Jest to partia niedemokratyczna w swoich poczynaniach. Nie da się tego pogodzić z moim poczuciem obywatelskości. Na Paltformę Obywatelską nie głosuję i chyba nigdy nie głosowałem na Platformę, bo to w istocie partia konserwatywna, która przedstawia się w innej skórze. Chcociaż też trzeba wziąć pod uwagę gdzie mieszkamy. Zdarzają się osoby liberalne. Gdybym mieszkał w innej części kraju, być może zagłosowałbym na Platformę. A u nas niestety, sorry, ale nie ma na kogo. Lista Platformy w ostatnich wyborach parlamentarnych to była jedna wielka porażka. Nie było nikogo, na kogo można zagłosować odpowiedzialnie. W wyborach samorządowych konkurencją dla PIS był klub Żuka. Akurat o Żuku podoba mi się to, co powiedział kiedyś Jacek Bury, jeszcze jak byliśmy kolegami z partii: Żuk jest najlepszym prezydentem jakiego dotychczas Lublin anon1235093333ł, ale jakby tak użyć metafory motoryzacyjnej, Lublin anon1235093333ł przed Żukiem same syrenki i wartburgi, a Żuk jest takim, powiedzmy, golfem, ale spokojnie możemy mieć BMW czy mercedesa. Żuk jest dobrze postrzegany w porównaniu z poprzednikami, bo to byli nieudacznicy, natoanon1235093333st mieszkańcy Lublina zasługują na koś lepszego niż on i takie osoby są. To tylko kwestia wypromowania kogoś takiego, co wyanon1547754019 dużo pracy w społecznej działalności. Nie ma ludzi, którzy chcieliby się zaangażować, więc prawdopodobnie kolejna kadencja też będzie należała do Żuka. Chyba że nie będzie chciał. We wschodnich państwach tak jest, że ustępujący władca wskazuje następcę i w Lublinie pewnie będzie tak samo, jeżeli nie wypromuje się nikogo innego. Poza tym jacyś nacjonaliści, prawie faszyści startowali w wyborach. I ten Ruch Miejski był jedyną organizacją – zlepkiem ludzi o różnych poglądach: byli i koserwatyści, i lewicowcy, i centyści, i pracownicy uczelni, i bezrobotni, i przedsiębiorcy... Magda Długosz jest z Partii Razem, więc jest komunistką z przekonania. Zupełnie mi te poglądy nie odpowiadają. Natoanon1235093333st wśród kandydatów na prezydenta była najlepsza. Tak samo jak oddawałem głos na kandydata na radnego. Oczywiście najpierw zrobiłem tak, że wysłałem maile do kandydatów ze swojego okręgu z różnymi pytaniami. Żadna osoba mi nie odpowiedziała. Jedna pani po miesiącu przysłała mi odpowiedź na zasadzie, żebym spadał, tylko w bardziej urzędowych słowach. A jedyny gość, który nawiązał ze mną jakikolwiek kontakt otwarcie napisał, że on się na tym w ogóle nie zna. Nie ma zdania, nie ma programu, po prostu startuje. Kandydaci na takim poziomie."
2,68246,2020-01-06T15:20:02.981Z,10624,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,58458,anon3593942245,anon3042048015,"Hej @anon3042048015 - witamy w edgeryders z okrutnym poślizgiem! 

Bardzo ciekawy tekst i dużo wątków, do których chcialabym się odnieść.

Interesuje mnie Twoja profesjonalna ścieżka - nietypowe wybory, decyzje, drogi. Jak otwierasz tą dekadę, z jakimi planami na przyszłość, marzeniami, nadziejami?

Wiele z postów, które mamy na naszej platformie, potwierdza Twoje tezy - szczególnie kwestia emerytur, rent, minimalnego wynagrodzenia. Możesz poczytać historie @anon681684766 albo @anon

I dlaczego, wreszcie, wybrałeś taki nickname? :) To przewrotność? :) 

Pozdrawiam!"
3,78572,2020-06-09T13:47:15.484Z,10624,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,58458,anon2979239943,anon3042048015,@anon1650793189 this is a long post that will probably confound the SSNA -- make a note
1,58334,2019-08-25T08:23:17.808Z,10605,0,8,7,6,0,0,31.6,58334,anon1235093333,anon1235093333,"10 lat temu wyjechałam z rodzinnego anon1235093333sta i przeprowadziłam się z mężem do miejscowości obok. Skończyłam zasadniczą szkołę zawodową jako kucharz i zaoczne liceum. Pracowałam i uczyłam się w tym czasie. Mój zawód to starszy kucharz. Pracowałam w restauracji w miejscowości obok, chwilę w przetwórni z makaronami. A teraz pracuję tu - w domu pomocy społecznej ( *dalej: DPS* ) - 33 lata. Przygotowuję posiłki dla osób starszych. Obsługuję stołówkę. Mam umowę o pracę. Od początku anon1235093333łam etat. Zarobki są bardzo małe – najniższa krajowa. Przez te wszystkie lata podwyżka była na poziomie 30-40 zł. Nie wystarcza na życie. Dorabiamy – jak każdy - wesela, komunie, imprezy okolicznościowe, chrzciny. Przez znajomych znajduje zlecenia na weekendy. Nie zawsze mogę to robić, bo pracuję też stale w weekendy. Trzeba prosić o wolne i zależy od kierowniczki. Jak są osoby konfliktowe, to jest trudno. Piszą z góry o weekendy wolne, i my musimy pracować, a ustawowo co trzecia powinna być wolna. Ustawowo mam jedną niedzielę wolną. Kto kogo ubiegnie i złoży karteczkę o wolny weekend, ten ma.

Raz korzystałam z pomocy społecznej, jak robiłam dach, to dostałam połowę – 300 zł na naprawę. Drugą połowę musiałam dołożyć. Za duży mamy dochód, żeby korzystać z pomocy społecznej. Mam dwoje dzieci. Są już na swoim. Mieszkam z mamą. Jest samodzielna. Musiałam cały czas ratować się kredytami i pożyczkami. Mam zdolność kredytową. Rozkładam spłatę większej kwoty, np.: 20 tys. zł, na dłuższy okres. Miałam trochę oszczędności, więc wykupiłam z mężem mieszkanie komunalne w 2014 roku. Mąż zmarł 10 lat temu. Poprzedni loanon3213561856orzy wykupili to mieszkanie od gminy za 46 tys. a ja odkupiłam od nich za ok. 100 tys. - ok. za 52,9 m.kw. Nie stać by mnie było na najem: opłacenie stancji i mediów, nie dałabym rady, a tak spłacam kredyt i już jest moje. Mam raty miesięcznie 673 zł. Mieszkanie jest bezczynszowe. Mam do tego podstawowe wydatki: cheanon1235093333, ubrania. A jak brakuje, to proszę siostrę o pomoc, która może mi pomóc. Moja mama ma emeryturę, ale nie biorę od niej pieniędzy. Do niczego się nie dokłada.

Jak mój mąż zmarł, dzieci kończyły 18 i 16 lat. Syn uczył się i dojeżdżał do szkoły, córka tak samo. Musiałam dać radę. Pamiętam, że synowi brakowało 10 gr do autobusu, to mówię: dziecko idź do tańszego. Potem wyjechał do Londynu, bo naprawdę było krucho. I poanon1547754019ł mi. Miałam przeróżne myśli. Chciałam się przyjąć do szpitala w innym mieście, bo byłoby lżej, ale zarobki na takim samym poziomie. Lepiej, że byłyby noce, bo noce są lepiej płatne. Dzień byłby wolny, więc można by było dorobić więcej. Na kuchni jest ciężko: gorąco, ciężkie gary, trzeba dźwigać. Zawód kucharza jest ciężki i niewdzięczny. Ale są „trzynastki”. Popołudniówki już nam zabrali, czyli praca od 16:00 do 19:00 – inaczej płacone – lepiej. Pracuję po 12 godzin. Są „ósemki” - osiem godzin, 4-5 razy w miesiącu, a reszta „dwunastki”, bo inaczej nie obstawi grafiku. Jest za mało ludzi. W DPS jest 80 osób i sama muszę zrobić kolację. Myślę, że to nie jest zgodne z prawem ani z BHP ( *przyp.: Bezpieczeństwo i Higiena Pracy* ). Ogłaszamy, ale nikt nie chce przyjść do pracy za te pieniądze. To jest odpowiedzialna praca i nikt nie chce się podjąć. To jest i pisania dużo, praca fizyczna i umysłowa. Chodzi o przepisy HCCP ( *przyp.:* *system zarządzania bezpieczeństwa żywności* ) i Sanepidu ( *przyp.: Państwowa Inspekcja Sanitarna* ) – każdą potrawę jaką podajemy musimy opisać, w jakiej temperaturze podajemy, jak przyjmujemy towar – czy jest w dobrym stanie, czy jest data ważności, czy nadaje się do spożycia, temperatury w lodówkach, śniadanie opisujemy - co dla kogo idzie, w jakiej ilości, żeby oddziały anon1235093333ły lżej; cheanon1235093333, jakiej używamy: jak, czym dezynfekujemy, kto; i podpisujemy się.

Bardzo chętnie wyjechałabym. Byłam za granicą we Włoszech trzy miesiące jako opiekun starszych ludzi. Miałam taką panią – małżeństwo - na Sycylii. Nauczyłam się sama podstaw języka, poziom komunianon3213561856ywy, ale niestety musiałam wracać. Dzieci jeszcze nie były samodzielne i nie mogłam dostać więcej bezpłatnego urlopu. Dyrektor nie chciał się zgodzić, a nie chciałam zostawiać tej pracy. Zostawię to wszystko może jak babcia odejdzie, to wtedy. Może... Myślę, żeby sprzedać to mieszkanie. Przenieść się bliżej większego anon1235093333sta. Żyjemy w takim kraju, że w takim małym mieście wszyscy widzą i wiedzą. Wstaję rano - widzą, że idę do pracy albo nie idę i pytają czy wolne mam. Wszystko ich interesuje. To nie jest zgodne z moim sumieniem i nieetyczne, żeby po prostu się zamknąć i nie odzywać, jeśli ktoś grzecznie spyta: gdzie idziesz, skąd idziesz. I to jest męczące.

Mam oparcie w dzieciach, rodzinie, przyjaciołach, sąsiadce. Nie jest źle. Obym anon1235093333ła zdrowie. Bo to jest najważniejsze. A rzeczy materialne i pieniądze nie są ważne. Wiara, miłość, zgoda... A Bóg daje siły w każdej sytuacji. Boli mnie coś, pomodlę się: Boże, daj siłę, żebym szczęśliwie wstała do pracy, abym przespała noc, szczęśliwie wróciła do domu, daj siły moim dzieciom, zdrowie. Bo jak mam zdrowie, to zarobię te pieniądze i jestem szczęśliwa. Dobre słowo od bliskich - to jest najważniejsze. Chodzę do kościoła. Mam zaufanie. Nie zajmuje się tematem afery pedofilii w kościele. Czytam dużo, ale nie komentuję. Nawet z najbliższą rodziną nie rozmawiam o tym, bo dla mnie to jest drażliwy temat trochę. Kościół łączy się z polityką. Kościół to powinien być kościół, a na kazaniach pewne sprawy nie powinny być poruszane. Widać zanon1235093333ny w kościele, mniej ludzi chodzi, bardzo źle się wypowiadają o księżach. A teraz to już w ogóle... Odpychają wiernych od kościoła sami księża, młodzież, dzieci. Takie są tematy w kościele, że tego nie powinno być. Dziecku zadaje pytanie, a ono nie wie czy może odpowiedzieć czy nie. Np. zadają pytanie na religii: dlaczego mamusia z tatusiem nie śpi, tylko się kłócą. Dlatego nie wolno nic mówić w domu przy dzieciach. Pewne sprawy są tabu.

Dziękuję Bogu za to, co mam i za tą pracę. Mimo że mało zarabiam, ale jest ona na cały etat, stała. Wiem, że można zmienić, ale coś mnie powstrzymuje. Pracownik fizyczny jest źle wynagradzany, za nisko, i jest poniewierany całe życie. Bo ten, co trochę wyuczy się, nawet może bardziej umie się wysłowić... A pracownik fizyczny w moim odczuciu tak ma. Odczuwam to nawet w pracy. I to jest przykre. Warunki u nas w Polsce powinny być takie, że pracownik fizyczny powinien pracować krócej – nie do 60 lat. Mam 36 lat pracy i jeszcze brakuje mi 10 lat do emerytury. To jest bardzo dużo. A są zawody, gdzie przepracuje 25 lat i idzie na emeryturę. Albo furtka powinna być taka, że ważne ile przepracujesz, bo lata pracy mamy, tylko wieku jeszcze nie. Cały czas dzieci mi sugerują, że powinnam zmienić pracę, żebym swój biznes otworzyła, np.: pierogarnię. Niestety, żeby coś zmienić trzeba mieć pieniądze. Moja córka skorzystała z dotacji z urzędu pracy. Jest kosmetyczką. Jest zadowolona. Skończyła pedagogikę ze specjalizacją logopedyczną i nie pracuje w swoim zawodzie. Myślałam o tym, ale trzeba mieć lokal, pieniądze, warunki. Teraz nowoczesny sprzęt jest bardzo drogi: są kuchenki, są patelnie, piece parowe. Na sam sprzęt trzeba mieć ok. 60 tys. zł. To jest bardzo drogie. Myśmy myślały z koleżankami, z którymi pracujemy, we trzy. No, ale to spółki są... Teraz myślę, że może na emeryturze wyjadę za granicę. Może tam się jakoś człowiek zaczepi. Może opiekuna medycznego jeszcze zrobić, bo teraz tylko dokument jest potrzebny. Chociaż do nas do pracy kilka osób zostało przyjętych bez wykształcenia i dobrze sobie radzą. W urzędzie pracy nie ma dla nas oferty, żeby zrobić nieodpłatnie kurs, są tylko dla bezrobotnych. Mogę się zwolnić z pracy albo sama zapłacić za kurs.

Ze środków europejskich skorzystałam: poszłam do liceum mniej więcej 5-6 lat temu. To był nacisk dyrektora, bo powiedział że nas zwolni, jak nie zrobimy szkoły. Tylko ten jeden raz skorzystałyśmy z projektu. Jeśli ktoś chce pracować, to znajdzie pracę. Oferty są: dorywczo sprzątanie mieszkań, opieka nad osobami starszymi. W okolicach jest opieka, nawet w weekendy. Można mieć stałą pracę: w gastronomii, mycie okien, sprzątanie, opieka. Praca jest raczej na godzinę. Wynagrodzenie 15-20 zł - zależy od lokalizacji. Jak ktoś chce, to zarobi. Nawet w polu sezonowo: truskawki, porzeczki, maliny. Telefony się urywają, ale za mało płacą i nikt nie chce pracować. Pierwszy raz nie poszłam w pole w tym roku, dlatego że w pracy dwie koleżanki są na zwolnieniu i jestem po zabiegu dwóch rąk.

Coraz starsza jestem, boję się. Muszę dbać o zdrowie. A i tak przesiedziałam 8 miesięcy na zwolnieniu. Od dźwigania anon1235093333łam zespół cieśni, czyli nie anon1235093333łam siły w palcach. Nie mogłam się ubrać, biustonosza założyć, szklanki wziąć do ręki, bolało mnie, puchły mi ręce po nocy. A teraz już szczęśliwa jestem. 10 lat za późno poszłam. Mam jeszcze nacisk w kręgosłupie. Kręgosłup siada teraz. Łatwo było mi się dostać do lekarza, bo znajomy mi załatwił skierowanie na badania. Bo inaczej myślę, że bym bardzo długo czekała. Potem rehabilitacja już bez załatwiania. Czekałam niewiele ponad miesiąc. Miałam też napięcie mięśniowe. To bierze się ze stresu.

Moja praca jest bardzo stresująca. Dlatego nikt nie chce tu pracować. Jeśli coś się stanie, to prokurator już wchodzi. Teraz musimy wszystko opisywać. Nie ma już próbek tzw. pokarmowych, tylko teraz dietetyczka robi jadłospis na 10 dni, wysyła do Sanepidu i on wylicza ile tam jest kalorii. A tak przyjeżdżali, robili naloty, brali próbki pokarmu w odpowiednie pojemniki, badali i na tej podstawie wyliczali kalorie. Jest to ważne pod względem kalorycznym, kolorystycznym i smakowym. Teraz jest łatwiej. Tylko jest dużo dokumentacji. Jestem w związku zawodowym tylko na nasz zakład pracy. Nic nie robi. Pisałyśmy pismo do starosty o podwyżki. Organizują jakieś grile. Nie powiem, bo jak dzieje się krzywda, to są pomocni, udzielają rad, kredytu, jeśli jest bardzo ciężko, nawet bezzwrotnie. Dużo rozmawiają w cztery oczy. To jest takie wsparcie. Jest pomoc psychologiczna, bo możemy chodzić do psychologa, który pracuje u nas. Mało osób korzysta, bo znamy się, a jednak najlepiej chodzić do obcego.

Uważam, że ta rozmowa zupełnie inaczej wygląda. Korzystałam kiedyś. Bardzo pomogło. Chodziłam razem z dziećmi, bo mój mąż się powiesił. Ciężko było mu rozstać się z mamą. Po przeprowadzce przespał w nowym mieszkaniu jedną noc. Pojechaliśmy na chwilę po telewizor, po komputer. Pępowina nie mogła się po prostu przeciąć. Jestem wdzięczna. Bardzo dziękuję jej za pomoc psychologiczną. To wraca, ale z pozytywną energią, że muszę sobie poradzić. Tak uanon1235093333ła nas ukierunkować. Wiedziałam to od początku i uczyłam tego dzieci, że trzeba sobie poradzić. Nie trzeba dolewać oliwy do ognia, tylko rozmowa, nie trzeba krzyczeć, problemy się rozwiązuje. Jeli nie mogę sama sobie poradzić, mam przyjaciół, rodzinę, dzieci. Rozmawiamy bardzo dużo. Nie mówię, że nie ma problemów, bo są przeróżne. Nie płakałam już bardzo dawno, bo płacz nie pomoże. Zmartwienia były, i są, i będą, ale jak ma się kogoś blisko, to nie sądzę, że źle będzie. Zaufanie to jest najbardziej dla mnie atut. Tego uczyłam dzieci i to jest najważniejsze. I po tym psychologu lubię poanon1547754019ć ludziom. To mi imponuje. Co mogę, to pomogę. Dużo chorowałam, ale chyba te moje modlitwy. Piszę nawet do Matki, do Fatimy tam. Jakoś mi to poanon1547754019ło. Byłam w szpitalu bardzo często, bo mam chore nerki, ale ta dobroć chyba wraca. Nie anon1235093333łam problemów z lekarzami. Tak to odbieram, że zło wraca ze stokrotnym uderzeniem, a dobro tak samo. Lekarze zajęli się mną pod każdym względem bardzo dobrze, ale myślę, że ja to uprosiłam.

Głosuję w wyborach. Nie mam partii, na którą głosuję. Jestem bezpartyjna. Mam swoje zdanie, ale konkretnej stałej partii nie mam. Wcześniej to Platforma Obywatelska, na Prawo i Sprawiedliwość na pewno nie. Nie mogę sobie tego wyobrazić, że to rozdawanie pieniędzy 500+ jest po prostu... Leżą pieniądze na ziemi, a chodzą i żebrzą. Mi zawsze odmawiali. Najpierw do wójta, a potem do naszego burmistrza zwracałam się o pomoc. Nigdy nie dostałam dożywiania ani pieniędzy oprócz tych, co na dach, bo mi zawsze dochód przekraczał. Dzieci nie anon1235093333ły renty ani nic po ojcu. Przez rok tylko jako anon681684766 samotnie wychowująca brałam 180 zł na dziecko. Dla osób w mojej sytuacji wynagrodzenie minimalne powinno być 2 500 zł na rękę. W porównaniu, pielęgniarka idzie na jedną noc i ma 300 zł. I żeby lata pracy się liczyły, bez względu na wiek. Jak pójdę na emeryturę, będę anon1235093333ła 46 lat pracy. To jest stanowczo za dużo. Będzie czas odpocząć, wyjechać, zająć się wnukami w przyszłości. Po 50-tce się człowiek sypie. Do 50. roku życia chorowałam cały czas. Mam 51 lat. Dobrze będzie, nie załamuję się. Nie lubię PISu, tego gadulstwa, że jedna partia na drugą wiesza psy, skaczą sobie do oczu. To wszystko można dialogiem rozwiązać. Coś się wydarzy - to jeden do drugiego. Jest wolność słowa, ale bez przesady: co się nie pojawi, komentarz od razu. I stanowczo za dużo zarabiają. Są już w wieku emerytalnym, ale zawieszają ( *przyp.: emeryturę* ) i pracują. Co ma zrobić w domu? Będzie siedział z kotkiem? W PO podobało mi się, że dało się z nimi rozmawiać. Miałam okazję rozmawiać z jedną posłanką wielokrotnie – bardzo mądra, życzliwa. Nie mówię, że wszyscy są niemądrzy, ale... A po tych wypowiedziach ich można stwierdzić, że są szkoleni, uczeni, a kultury zero. PIS kultury zero ma. PO też nie brakuje... Wcześniej więcej czytałam i oglądałam, a teraz to w ogóle nie oglądam. Po pierwsze nie mam kiedy. Przejrzę internet i wystarczy. I te komentarze cudne. Wolę się pomodlić. Politykę przełączam. Babcia jeszcze jak zobaczy, to już w ogóle przełącza. Ostatnio głosowałam na Kukiza spontanicznie, bo nie wzięłam okularów, nie widziałam za bardzo. Szłam z pracy. Po rozmowie jeszcze z synem – „na tych Platfusów to nie głosuj”. „Na PIS też nie, to na kogo?”. „Na muzykanta”. Tak się znam, jak i on.

Mój autorytet to nasz papież - Polak. Dla mnie to on jest najlepszym ojcem. I tylko wzorować się. Często go słucham, czytam, rozmawiam z nim oczywiście. Chociaż Franciszek jest podobny. Wcale nie jest gorszy. Trzeba wiedzieć komu zaufać i dobrze ulokować uczucia. Pomodlę się i wierzę, że ta siła wyższa działa. Żeby nie on, może to inaczej by się potoczyło. Zawsze się modliłam, ale zaczęłam częściej chodzić do kościoła i zawierzać od momentu jak mąż zachorował. Chorował na psychozę paranoidalną. Staram się wychować dzieci na grzecznych, mądrych, spokojnych ludzi, żeby nikt w życiu przez nich nie płakał, i żeby rozwiązywały problemy, jak jestem i jak mnie nie będzie, i żeby szanowały drugiego człowieka, były wrażliwe na ludzkie nieszczęście, poanon1547754019ły. Wysyłamy smsy na chore dzieci. Chcę, żeby poanon1547754019ły bezinteresownie na ulicy. Jak zostaje nam jedzenie, to poanon1547754019m, zawożę. Pieniądze: ile mam, to dam. Ubrania oddaję. Wady mam i zalety, ale trzeba zapomnieć i iść dalej, do przodu. Co niektórym to się nie podoba. Kiedyś bardziej byłam wybuchowa, teraz wolę pomilczeć sama nawet. Jak ktoś mnie widzi, mówi do mnie, przeklina, obraża, staram się spokojnie do tego podejść. Odmówię „Pod twoją obronę...” i przechodzi. Wolę się pomodlić za tę osobę, jak wiązankę jej posłać. Mam takie podejście. Staram się uspokajać atmosferę w pracy czy w domu. Nie podgrzewać jej."
2,68241,2020-01-06T14:15:47.583Z,10605,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,58334,anon3593942245,anon1235093333,"Cześć, @anon

Czy wiesz może o politykach, grupach, związkach, które walczą o takie zanon1235093333ny? Czy wydaje Ci się, że klasy ludowe w Polsce są gotowe na walkę o swoje prawa i godne warunki życia?"
1,57173,2019-07-26T07:50:21.275Z,10415,0,15,14,9,0,0,48.0,57173,anon1624208979,anon1624208979,"<image here> 
 

Urodziłam się w 1965 r. w rodzinie wielodzietnej. Było nas ośmioro dzieci. Mieszkałam w mieszkaniu komunalnym na starym mieście do piątego roku życia. Gnieździliśmy się w jednym pokoju. Potem dostaliśmy w dzielnicy robotniczej. Tam były cztery pokoje. Urodziła się tam moja ostatnia siostra – ósma z rodzeństwa. W 1970 r. jeden z braci zginął w wypadku samochodowym. Miał wtedy 19 lat. Było bardzo ciężko, biednie. Matka nie pracowała, tylko nas wychowywała, tata sam pracował - był kierowcą. W 1976 r. - anon1235093333łam 11 lat, to była niedziela, pamiętam jak dziś – przyjechał dyrektor firmy ojca po mamę: musi pani ze mną zejść do samochodu, bo mąż zasłabł, musi pani ze mną pojechać. Pojechaliśmy pod taki barek i ojciec już tam leżał przykryty prześcieradłem. Pamiętam ten pisk, jak mama płakała, tak ciągnęła mnie za rękę… Tata anon1235093333ł 46 lat. Matka sama została z nami.

Chodziłam do podstawówki w naszej dzielnicy. Później poszłam do krawieckiej zawodówki. Potem poznałam swojego męża jak anon1235093333łam 16-17 lat. On był jedynakiem. Nas było tak dużo i jemu to się podobało, że nas jest tyle, a on był sam. Zakochałam się. Wyszłam za mąż jak byłam już w 8 miesiącu ciąży. Zaraz po urodzeniu dziecka okazało się, że nie jest tak fajnie, bo zaczął mnie strasznie bić. Córka anon1235093333ła tak 4 lata. Leżałam w szpitalu jeden, drugi raz i popadłam w depresję, w chorobę psychiczną. Wszystkim się denerwowałam, uciekałam z domu, szłam w swoją stronę, ale jakoś tak pchałam to wszystko. Wstydziłam się ludzi, żeby nikt się nie dowiedział, że taka sytuacja jest. Potem za takie ciężkie pobicie poszedł do więzienia. Siedział ze 2,5 roku, a potem dostał w zawieszeniu. Wyszedł i było jeszcze gorzej, bo przeze mnie siedział to trzeba było mnie inaczej potraktować. Był taki przełom, że jak dostał pracę, przestał pić, powiedział, że będzie się leczył, że wszystko będzie dobrze. Urodziłam syna… a anon1235093333łam ucieczkę jeszcze do mamy. Jak syn anon1235093333ł 10 miesięcy, mama zmarła. Wcześniej obcięli jej nogę, bo anon1235093333ła stopę cukrzywcową. Była na wózku inwalidzkim. Najmłodsza siostra z nią mieszkała i się nią opiekowała. My też przychodziliśmy, jak mogliśmy. Ja byłam ciągle pobita i tak jakoś… Wychowałam syna. Było różnie ze wspólnym mieszkaniem z mężem. Jak zrobił rozróbę, pobił mnie, to do swojej matki szedł. Starałam się wychować dzieci tam gdzie mieszkałam. Chodziły do szkoły. Córka skończyła technikum maszyn i urządzeń przemysłu spożywczego. Syn skończył technikum ochrony środowiska. Chciałam ich wychować jak najlepiej. Córka zaszła w ciążę jak była jeszcze panną. Jej narzeczony był uzależniony od narkotyków. Nie wyszła za niego za mąż. Sama wychowała dziecko, które ma teraz 16 lat. Po 9 latach poznała innego faceta. Miał być taki dobry… On sam po rozwodzie. Odradzałam jej to: że jak po rozwodzie, to nie jest dobry, ale wyszła za niego za mąż. Urodziła córeczkę. Okazało się, że to alkoholik, z padaczką alkoholową. Uciekła chyba od tego ojca alkoholika w jeszcze większy alkoholizm. Nie anon1235093333ła gdzie się podziać z dziećmi, przyjęłam ją z powrotem do domu. W tym czasie zmarł męża ojciec. Zostawił nam parę groszy. I żeby nie przepił, kupiliśmy działkę na wsi. Tam jest taki malutki domek kryty azbestem, a obok drugi dom w budowie, nieskończony. Miałam też książeczkę mieszkaniową po śmierci taty. Potem ona była guzik warta. Miała być na dwa pokoiki, a dostałam z niej 25 tys. zł. Nic za to nie można było kupić. Nawet pokoiku. Mówię do męża, że mamy pieniądze po teściu i my mamy 50 tys. zł swoich. Trafiła się taka kobieta, która dała nam działkę z tym domem na wsi na raty. Wpłaciliśmy jej 50 tys. zł i potem co trzy miesiące - po 4 tys. zł. Razem to kosztowało 100 tys. zł. Wzięłam jeszcze 12 tys. zł pożyczki.

Córka ma pieniądze tylko z 500 plus, rodzinne, i chodzi klatki sprząta. Chodzi na prace sezonowe, żeby dorobić. Nie stać mnie, żeby codziennie do niej dojeżdżać, bo 6.50 zł kosztuje bilet w jedną stronę, bo zarabiam 1 500 zł na rękę – najniższą krajową. Sama teraz mieszkam z synem. Wcześniej byli jego teściowie, więc nie mogliśmy tam zamieszkać. Teraz zmarł mój mąż. Miał tyle chorób i tych poalkoholowych. W tym samym roku zmarł mój brat i siostra. Jedna z moich sióstr anon1235093333ła schizorenię. Nie anon1235093333łam nigdy znikąd pomocy, a tak dużo przeszłam. Mąż mnie podpalił i wypchnął z pierwszego piętra. Tak to było. Dlatego poszedł siedzieć. Wcześniej nie chodziłam na policję jak byłam pobita czy skopana. Trzy razy chciałam popełnić samobójstwo. Po tym dużym pobiciu lekarze wezwali policję. I tak zaczęło się leczenie psychiatryczne. Trafiłam na w porządku lekarkę i do tej pory mnie prowadzi, pilnuje.

Gorzej z innymi lekarzami. Mam tarczycę chorą. Zapisałam się w sierpniu tamtego roku na badanie szczegółowie i dopiero w lutym 2020 roku mogę pytać o termin. Mam też nadciśnienie. Poszłam się zapisać ze skierowaniem. W styczniu dopiero przyszłego roku mogę się leczyć. Jak tu się leczyć? Poszłam, wyprosiłam w innym szpitalu, jakby się miejsce zwolniło. Zapisałam się na listopad tego roku i czekam tak od kwietnia. Na kręgosłup się leczę u tej samej lekarki stale. Tu bez problemu. Jak przyjdę to zawsze mnie przyjmie. Muszę mieć zastrzyki, bo nie mogę chodzić przez rwę kulszową. To jest ból nie do zniesienia. Czasem nawet z łóżka nie mogę wstać.

Za młodych lat pracowałam w sklepie ok. 6 lat. Potem sprzątałam biura, laboratoria może 8-9 lat. Teraz - od 7 lat – myję na zmywaku garnki w szpitalu. Wszystko to były umowy o pracę. Raz przez 2 lata na sprzątnie anon1235093333łam umowę zlecenie, a potem zobaczyli, że dobrze pracuję i dali mi umowę. Staram się uczciwie pracować. Zawsze pracowałam za najniższą krajową i na etat. Teraz – od kiedy mąż umarł - nie boję się jak kiedyś. Nie oglądam się za siebie czy mnie ktoś uderzy. Szkoda mi, bo to życie takie zmarnowane… A młoda jestem, bo mam dopiero 54 lata. Tych chorób się tyle przyplątało.

Nigdy nie korzystałam z pomocy społecznej, bo się wsydziłam po prostu. Nieraz mi brakowało, to wolałam pożyczyć czy sprzątnęłam komuś. Tutaj ten alkohol… Mąż pił. Jakby mi dzieci zabrali, to bym nie przeżyła. O to się bałam. Moja mama też nigdy nie korzystała, a tyle nas wychowała. Widziałam, że innym poanon1547754019li, ale czy im starczało? Chyba nie, bo zawsze im było brak na drugi dzień. To nie były jakieś wielkie pieniądze. Wolałam pójść do pracy niż do instytucji prosić o pomoc.

Jak byłam w ciąży z pierwszym dzieckiem, chodziłam poanon1547754019ć księżom. Budowali w latach 80 - tych kościół. Jako młode dziewczyny latałyśmy poanon1547754019ć: gruz nosić, sprzątać itd. Ci księża jeździli do właściciela, u którego później mieszkałam. Szyli u niego sutanny. Ksiądz wiedział, jaką mam sytuację i powiedział mi, że mieszkanie jest wolne; że za pomoc gospodarzowi mogę tam mieszkać. Dzięki tym księżom mieliśmy to mieszkanie. Byli dla nas dobrzy. W tamtych czasach księża rodzinom w takiej sytuacji bardziej poanon1547754019li. Ten ksiądz amówił nas na ślub i udzielił nam go. Dostawałam od niego ubrania i pieluchy dla dziecka. W tamtych latach nie było takich rzeczy nawet w sklepach. Ksiądz dostawał z darów i mi oddawał. Teraz to chyba mniej poanon1547754019ją, bo tyle złych rzeczy się słyszy… O tych molestowaniach dzieci… To jest tego dużo. Wtedy księża byli uczciwsi i lepsi. Jestem osobą bardzo wierzącą. Za każdym razem modlę się. Mam tyle obrazków i do każdego się modlę o lepszy dzień: do Św. Marty, do Św. Rity. Chodzę do kościoła. Co dzień wstępuję do kaplicy w szpitalu. Modlę się do Boga, żeby mi dał zdrowie i żebym anon1235093333ła siłę przepracować każdy kolejny dzien. Proszę o wstawiennictwo w trudnych sprawach. Mówię pacież co wieczór. Robię to dla siebie. Zawsze proszę o zdrowie dla dzieci, żeby anon1235093333ły siłę.

To takie dziwne zakończenie dla mnie. Bardzo przeżyłam śmierć męża. Zawsze przeżywam śmierć - czy to człowiek czy zwierzę. Nigdy nikogo nie skrzywdziłam.Próbowałam się rozwieść dwa razy. Za każdym razem sędzia mówiła, żeby dać mężowi szansę i za każdym razem on obiecywał poprawę. Mówił w sądzie, że ja sobie to zmieniam i wszystko inaczej mówię jak było, bo jestem chora. Mówił, że wypije czasami, ale jest dobry. Ja tak przebaczałam i nigdy nie doszło do rozwodu. On jak nie pił, to był ze mną, ale jak pił to prosiłam jego rodziców i oni go zabierali. Wtedy nie było go 3-4 miesiące. Dzieci wychowałam, do szkoły trzeba było je wysłać. Na dobre mąż wyniósł się do innego anon1235093333sta tak z 8 lat temu. Tam anon1235093333ł pracę. Nie raz mi pieniądze dał jak anon1235093333ł, jak potrzebowałam. Miałam alimenty na córkę. Nie pamiętam ile to było, ale to jakieś grosze. Przy drugiej próbie rozwodu zgodziłam się, żeby nie płacił na pierwsze dziecko, bo obiecywał, że wszystko będzie dobrze. Sam siebie tak oszukiwał. Potem mówił, że to nie jego syn.

Jestem teraz po operacji ginekologicznej. Byłam 3 miesiące na zwolnieniu. Też mi nikt nie pomógł. Mam oparcie w synu, a z córką mam mało kontaktu. Nie stać mnie na jeżdzenie. Mam tyle kłopotów po zwolnieniu. Wróciłam niedawno do pracy. Z wnukami mam kontakt. Przyjeżdzają czasem do mnie. Syn ma 3 – letnie dziecko i nie mogę z nim wyjść, biegać za nim czy wziąć na ręce, bo nie mam siły.

Miesięcznie moje koszty życia są wysokie. Za leki płacę ok. 200 zł, za mieszkanie 300 zł, kredyt - 300 zł, ubrania ze 100 zł, chociaż ubieram się w taniej odzieży; jakieś środki czystości – ok. 50 zł, kosmetyki do mycia - 50 zł, doładowanie telefonu, jedzenie… Jedzenie jakie drogie jest. Nieraz nic nie zostanie z wypłaty. Żyje się, bo się żyje. Trzeba żyć. Czeka się na następną wypłatę. Tak się nauczyłam, żeby na każdą rzecz mi wystarczyło, odkładam sobie na nie. Żeby nie zabrakło mi na chleb.
W wyborach teraz nie głosowałam, bo oni i tak się sami wybierają. Nie oglądam telewizji, nie słucham… Wiem, że się kłócą o stołeczki. W przedostatnich wyborach głosowałam na PIS. Głośno było, że tak dużo zrobią, obiecali, że zrobią, a się okazało, że człowiek, który mnie zniszczył – wyrzucił mnie z mieszkania - jest w tej partii. Dlatego nie głosowałam.

Teraz w Polsce żyje się od wypłaty od wypłaty. Wegetuje się. Może ludzie na wyższych stanowiskach dają radę: mają domy czy samochody, żyją lepiej, ale ja np. to nie za bardzo mogę sobie pozwolić, żeby żyć ponad stan. Jeszcze teraz sama całkiem jestem. Znikąd pomocy. Nie mam ani mamy ani taty. Brat w ostatnim czasie był bezdomny. Zmarł na nowotwór jamy ustnej. To był alkoholik. Może źle życie poprowadził. Miał żonę, dziecko, a poszedł w inną stronę. To był jego wybór, nie mieliśmy na to wpływu.

W Polsce powinny być wyższe zarobki, żeby utrzymać mieszkania i siebie, godnie żyć. Nawet 2 500 zł, żeby było na rękę, to już bym nie narzekała, nie płakała, bo byłoby mnie stać na cokolwiek. Poszłabym na pizzę, do restauracji chciałabym czasem pójść, a tak mogę tylko przez szybę sobie popatrzeć."
2,68227,2020-01-06T08:58:04.059Z,10415,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,57173,anon3593942245,anon1624208979,"@anon1624208979, dzień dobry, witamy w Edgeryders - chciałabym przede wszystkim podziękować za szczerość w podzieleniu się Twoją niezwykle trudną historią.

I mam pytanie - czy radząc sobie z tymi wszystkimi problemami, z którymi musiałaś się mierzyć (zdrowie, przemoc, sytuacja ekonomiczna) liczyłaś lub próbowałaś uzyskać wsparcie od państwa? I jeśli tak, jakie były Twoje doświadczenia?"
3,69881,2020-02-05T10:30:29.927Z,10415,0,2,1,0,0,0,0.4,57173,anon2446385507,anon1624208979,"To be included in the ethnographic coding and analysis, this post is awaiting written consent by the author - DL 17 Feb 2020."
1,58450,2019-08-27T13:03:53.129Z,10622,0,13,12,3,0,0,32.6,58450,anon2211963666,anon2211963666,"Wychowałem się w innej miejscowości. Byłem w wojsku od 1950 roku przez dwa lata. Przeprowadziłem się tutaj w 1971 roku z uwagi na miejsce pracy. Byłem funkcjonariuszem policji, dawniejszej milicji. Byłem anon2211963666em. Pracowałem tam około 20 lat. Moja pierwsza praca była jako funkcjonariusza posterunku w innym mieście. Potem przeniesiono mnie jako anon2211963666a tutaj. Pracowało mi się dobrze. Dużo pełniłem społecznie funkcji: byłem radnym gminy, byłem w OSP - Ochotniczej Straży Pożarnej. Byłem społecznikiem. Przez cały czas byłem wybierany na radnego – ponad 20 lat. Kadencje tak jak teraz były czteroletnie w radzie. Potem pociągały mnie inne sprawy społeczne: byłem przewodniczącym spółdzielni mieszkaniowej, komisji rewizyjnej. Tak czas uciekał. 

Mam prawie 85 lat. Lubiłem ludziom społecznie poanon1547754019ć, gdy uznałem, że krzywda się komuś działa. Byłem wrażliwy na takie sprawy. Do dziś są mi wdzięczni.  W szczególności poanon1547754019łem ludziom samotnym, jak anon1235093333ła pijaczka w domu, starałem się poanon1547754019ć, poza pracą zawodową. Udzielałem się społecznie tam, gdzie uznawałem, że komuś działa się krzywda i ludzie sami się do mnie zgłaszali, gdy syn się znęcał czy mąż. Pomoc osobom potrzebującym nigdy nie jest zbyteczna. Trzeba wyczuwać czy ktoś potrzebuje, czy jest zadowolony z tej pomocy. W większości zgłaszali się ludzie, którzy wiedzieli, że ja mogę w tym kierunku pomóc. To mi dawało satysfakcję, że mogłem pomóc, że ktoś nie był już maltretowany. Było np. tak, że dana osoba, która doświadczała przemocy, była na komisariacie, ale nie była zadowolona z załawienia sprawy i zwracała się do mnie. Poanon1547754019łem i brałem pod uwagę dwie strony. Nie widziałem, żeby była taka instytucja, która poanon1547754019ła tak jak teraz. Gdyby była, nie zawracałbym sobie głowy. Tam, gdzie była opieka społeczna, niektórych ukierunkowywałem, żeby tam poszli. Były takie osoby, które nawet nie wiedziały, że opieka społeczna jest, że można się zwrócić w  sprawach życiowych. 

Czułem, że anon1235093333łem jakiś wpływ na to, co się dzieje jako radny. Często poruszaliśmy sprawy na komisjach. Należałem do komisji kultury i szkolnictwa. Wiedzieliśmy, że niektóre sprawy nie są widziane w szkole, nie było zainteresowania nimi, ale poza szkołą się je widzi. Np.: widziałem osobiście, też w sprawach bezpośrednio zawodowych, że jest uczennica i powinna chodzić do szkoły,  a nie chodziła, bo zaczęła już z chłopakami i unikać szkoły. I rodzice nie widzieli, nie reagowali albo niektórzy nie umieli sobie z tym radzić albo uznawali, że to normalne. A ja widziałem, że to nienormalne, docierałem do rodziców, angażowałem wychowawców i docieraliśmy razem do miejsca zamieszkania albo tam, gdzie poza domem przebywała. W większości mieliśmy do czynienia z dziewczynkami, bo chłopaki to tam... Jeden drugiego popchnął. To były jednorazowe albo parorazowe sprawy. Mniej było takich spraw jak w tej chwili, jak narkotyki. To były inne problemy: bardziej brak zainteresowania ze strony rodziców albo niepełne rodziny, np.: tylko anon681684766 wychowywała sama. Nieraz nawet i komisja radnych docierała do nich. Radni byli też nauczycielami. To było pozytywne. Bo potem widziało się, że te osoby, co schodziły nie tak jak powinny, jako dorosłe pracują, są odpowiedzialne za swoje czyny. 

Do 1991 roku byłem anon2211963666em policji i do 1993 roku radnym. Rada (przyp.: przed zanon1235093333ną ustroju w 1990 r.) działała w podobnych sprawach bieżących jak obecnie. Tylko cóż można powiedzieć? Inne były troszeczkę i poglądy, i zainteresowania. Ale nie odczuwało się, żeby to były inne kierunki w radzie. Było trochę więcej centralnie zarządzane w niektórych sprawach, ale to tak jak w tej chwili. Ale nie było i nie ma takiego poczucia, żeby rady były tak centralnie sterowane. Owszem ma kontakt i nadzór wyższego szczebla. Wcześniej czuło się bardziej wspólnotę między ludźmi, nie odczuwało się wtedy podziału ludzkiego. Więcej było zrozumienia wzajemnego, wspólnego działania, czyny społeczne. To było modne. Teraz tego mniej się odczuwa. Teraz odczuwamy więcej nienawiści jednego do drugiego. Niektórzy sami nie wiedzą o co im chodzi. Brak jest wspólnej jedności. Polityka podzieliła ludzi. Nieszanowanie jeden drugiego, ubliżanie, znieważanie. Jeden drugiego w łyżce wody by utopił i to wszystko leci w mediach. W głowie się nie mieści, żeby taką jeden do drugiego anon1235093333ł nienawiść. 

Sądzę, że jakieś zanon1235093333ny powinny nastąpić, a jakie, to chyba każdy domyśla się. Jeden z drugim powinien dogadywać się, a nie tylko wymyślać sobie bez bliższego kontaktu. Powinna być zanon1235093333na od góry do dołu. Jak jest na górze, tak i leci na dół. Na dole wyczuwają, że jak wolno na górze, to można i na dole. Teraz nawet o sprawach prawnych wcześniej się dowiadujemy - z mediów - niż w rzeczywistości powinniśmy. Chociaż media są dobre, ale dany przepis np.: wpływający na środowisko, powinien wychodzić z uzgodnienia. Zanim przepis zostanie przyjęty, to niech to będzie uzgodnione, dograne, żeby większość polityków to akceptowała. Bo bez tego, nieraz się słyszy – przepis opracowany na kolanie. Potem wychodzi to nerwowo, z zaskoczenia i oddziałuje na społeczeństwo. Problemy powinny być przede wszystkim konsultowane przez większość społeczeństwa. Czasem niby są konsultowane, a potem się słyszy, że jakieś przedsiębiorstwo dostaje zezwolenie, a to jest w efekcie szkodliwe dla społeczeństwa, lokalne społeczeństwo nic nie wiedziało; czy to wysypisko śmieci czy inne. To najbardziej ludzi bulweruje. Sądzę, że ludzie interesują się sprawami publicznymi. Są ludzie, których to nie obchodzi, ale nie można uogólniać że społeczeństwa to nie obchodzi. Jeżeli jest szkoła, a za rok będzie przybywało młodzieży i na siłę się ją likwiduje, społeczeństwo będzie pamiętać, że podjęto z góry narzuconą decyzję. Wtedy się produkuje niezadowolenie wśród społeczeństwa.

Jestem emerytem po 40 latach pracy. Od 1991 roku mieszkam w tym samym miejscu. Ogólnie jestem zadowolony, tylko teraz uważam, że zainteresowanie emerytami mogłoby być większe. Ale może być tak jak jest. Emerytura powinna rosnąć w stosunku do cen żywności. W niektórych przypadkach żywność idzie nawet o 100% w górę. Waloryzacja powinna być taka, żeby emeryt nie był w sytuacji czy mu wystarczy od pierwszego do pierwszego. Jeżeli ktoś ma kilkanaście tysięcy poborów, a emeryt ma 2 000 zł, 1 500 zł czy nawet 1 000 zł, i ma być zadowolony? Trzeba porównywać te warunki. Ale cóż, emeryt nigdy nie był tak mocno traktowany jak ludzie na wyższych stanowiskach lub z większymi dochodami. To się nigdy nie zrówna. Jeżeli człowiek ma możliwości dopracowania w młodym wieku, a w takim zawodzie jak mój, pracuje się, aby tylko załapać emeryturę w średnim wieku, i można sobie dopracowywać, wtedy też ma się dobre warunki. Ja się ukierunkowałem na emeryturze na społeczne działanie, nie patrząc na podjęcie pracy, żeby dorabiać. Jestem skromny, ale zadowolony. 

Dla przykładu, w gminie, w której kiedyś pracowałem, tam jest takie zainteresowanie emerytami i osobami starszymi, że mają dom seniora. Tam jeden drugiego wspiera, jest pielęgniarka, organizowane są zajęcia, a u nas tego brak. Dom kultury ma ogólne działania, a dom seniora sam realizuje własne programy dla osób starszych. W naszej miejscowości tego nie ma, ale widać inne zanon1235093333ny, rozwija się. Sądzę, że to może być i u nas, może przyjdzie z góry. Jedna osoba może nie widzieć, że jest taka potrzeba, ale jeśli będzie osoba patrząca szerszym poglądem, widzi życie seniorów i niepełnosprawnych w innych miejscowościach, liczę, że będzie inicjatywa i realizacja. 

Straciłem wzrok momentalnie w 2012 roku, bez żadnego bólu głowy czy innych dolegliwości. Żyję tak siódmy rok. Nie czuję się upośledzony, że mam mocno trudne życie. Sam koło siebie wszystko zrobię. Staram się poanon1547754019ć żonie w zmywaniu. Nie narzekam, że jest mi ciężko. Trudno. Trzeba się cieszyć tym, co jest, korzystać z życia. Trzeba brać życie tak, jak podchodzi, jak się układa. Trudno jest żyć, jak się widziało i nagle się nie widzi. Czasem to jest takie wewnętrznie trudne do przełknięcia, bo i samochodzikiem lubiłem jeździć, a teraz się nie jeździ, ale nie będę się nad sobą zbytnio rozczulał. Biorę życie takim, jakie jest. Raczej nie głosuję w wyborach."
2,68225,2020-01-06T08:41:22.271Z,10622,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,58450,anon3593942245,anon2211963666,"Dzień dobry, @anon2211963666 - witamy w społeczności i dziękuję za tą inspirującą, pozytywną historię!

Wartości, o których opowiadasz w swoim tekście - wspólnota, wsparcie, współpraca - są mi bardzo bliskie i też ubolewałam nad tym, że w Polsce, ale też poza nią, coraz o nie trudniej. Jako społecznik wychowany w innym systemie i przyglądający się zanon1235093333nom teraz, czy myślisz, że jest jakiś sposób na to, żeby wpłynąć na to, jak nowe generacje myślą o współżyciu i odpowiedzialności?

W pewnym sensie wydaje mi się, że wpływanie na organizacje społeczne (takie jak dom seniora, o którym mówiłeś) może być ciekawym przykładem. Powiedzmy, że młodsze pokolenia mogłyby zarządzać instytucją kulturalną w swoim mieście, na swojej dzielnicy - mieć faktyczny wpływ na program, nauczycieli, aktywności. Brakuje nam z jednej strony edukacji nt tego, jak budować instytucje społeczne, z drugiej - poczucia faktycznego wpływu na rzeczywistość. Czy masz wrażenie, że to zmieniło się w ostatnich dekadach, czy to poczycie sprawczości było bardziej obecne przez 1990?

Dziękuję ogromnie za Twoją historię :)"
1,68215,2020-01-06T06:46:59.638Z,12300,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,68215,anon1732021886,anon1732021886,"Ahoj. @anon4241195410 mě požádal, abych ještě napsal něco k hacanon3213561856honu, kde jsem fotil panelovou diskusi první večer.

1.Kaznice na Brtislavske je strašně fotogenické místo a to zřejmě i kvůli své pohnuté historii. 
2.S organizátory hacanon3213561856honu spolupracovalo dobře.
3. Panelisti i moderátorka udělali skvělou debatu. Nejvíc se mi líbila architektka Karolína Plášková, kterou jsem na rozdíl od Martina Freunda a Petra Kubaly neznal.
4. Banda, která hacanon3213561856hon organizovala, tedy Mladí zelení a @anon4241195410 to měla zmákly na jedničku."
2,68216,2020-01-06T06:50:06.859Z,12300,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,68215,anon4241195410,anon1732021886,"Diky moc za komentar k hacanon3213561856honu. Uz je to strasne davno:) Ale rekl bych, ze jsme si to uzili.
Diky moc, zes nam panelovku nafotil. A taky diky, ze jsi nam pujcil fotak pro dokumentaci zbytku akce takze @anon1715152140 mohla nafotit zbytek vikendu."
3,68217,2020-01-06T06:53:16.245Z,12300,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,68216,anon1732021886,anon4241195410,"Rádo se stalo. Ještě bys mohl připomenout, aby mi poslali peníze. Ještě mi to nepřišlo."
1,67686,2019-12-18T01:02:09.487Z,12205,0,8,7,4,0,0,21.6,67686,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Miluji cestování! Jedna z nejlepších věci na cestování je, že se člověk naučí a dozví strašně moc o nové zemi, jejich kultuře, lidech, přírodě a tak vůbec. Ještě lepší je to, že se člověk dozví mnohem víc sám o sobě, vlastní Domovině, vlastní kultuře, lidech přírodě a tak vůbec:)

Dneska bych chtěl něco napsat o rozdílech mezi lidmi v Thajsku a v Česku. Předesílám, že miluji Thajso a thajce a tak to nejsem poprvé. Thajci hodně věci neřeší nebo řeší tak hodně základně - což je hrozné třeba u odpadků a veřejných WC. V Česku naopak top top světová úroveň, podle mě. Ale co je na Thajcich skvělé, je to, že jsou furt v klidu, vždycky usměvavý a vždycky rádi pomůžou. Češi mi z toho vychází nejvíc úzkoprsí, nerudní a hlavně neustále vystresovaní. Nevím, kolik přičíst tomu, že jsem sám na dovolené a tak jsem víc v klidu než doma v Česku; a taky tomu, že jsme tu docela exotičtí a máme hodně pozornosti místních a všichni nám pořád ochotně pomáhají.

Taky jsem slyšel jinou teorii, která říká, že lidi, kteří vydělávají hodně peněz, Mají problém si užít svůj čas. A to prý proto, že je jejich čas tak drahý (tolik si můžou za hodinu vydělat), že si ho nikdo ,ani jejich rodina ani oni sami nemůže dovolit.

Hele neříkám, že je Česko nejvystresovanější země na světě. ale zkuste si vzpomenout, kdy jste naposledy seděli sami nekde  na zápraží a jen tak pili kafe. Kdy jste se naposledy usmáli na cizího člověka nebo nezištně cizímu neboj blízkému člověku pomohli. Nebo někdo nezištně pomohl vám. Snad ne tak dávno.

Já sám zkusím být po návratu do Česka více usměvavý. Jako thajec:)"
2,68167,2020-01-04T15:17:08.745Z,12205,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,67686,anon4241195410,anon927244916,"Diky za post, uz jsi nas pravidelny prispevatel, za coz ti moc dekuju. 
Ja za sebe jsem se ted usmival na vsechny kolem posledni 3 tydny. - Jen co mi sily stacily:)
Ale nutno rict, ze to bylo prave na stejne dovolene v Thajsku.

Za sebe tu verejne slibuju, ze se budu usmivat, co mi budou sily stacit i doma v Cesku!
I kdyz teda s tim nasim pocasim zimnim a tak obecne je to ted fakt docela tezky!"
3,68212,2020-01-06T06:13:44.888Z,12205,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,67686,anon927244916,anon927244916,Mne stresuje hlavně moje neutěšená situace se zazanon598341349im:(
1,68157,2020-01-04T08:36:54.583Z,12295,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,68157,anon1732021886,anon1732021886,"Roku 2014 - po dvouletém nedokončeném studiu na divadelní fakultě anon4110936133áčkovi univerzity v Brně na oboru audiovizuální tvorba a divadlo jsem si založil živnost, která mě opravňuje si vydělávat focením nebo natáčením nebo stříháním videí. 
Začátky nebyly jednoduché. Minimálně rok mi trvalo než jsem si začal vydělávat alespoň nějaké rozumné peníze na to, abych vůbec mohl přežít. mimochodem v té době jsem podal grant na úřad práce v Brně, kde mě donutili si napsat podnianon3213561856elský záměr. a od té doby se všechno začalo dařit mnohem lépe. Během těch 6 roku jsem hlavně fotil. ale dělal jsem kromě focení i kameru a střih. vlastně už od začátku je moje kariéra specifická tím, že jsem vždycky měl velkou spoustu klientů. A to velmi rozličných klientů - takže zároveň je pro mě typické to, že moc neumím říct, co jsem dělal. Hlavně jsem fotil firemní akce ,často jsem fotil svatby a obecně jsem se věnoval reportážní fotografii a kameře a taky focení divadla. ale už v té době se i focení i točení začalo setkávat s mým celoživotním zájem o sport, takže už v té době jsem začal natáčet outdoorový anon1547754019zín Vertical pro Českou televizi.
 A to mě dostává do současnosti, kdy už od ledna roku 2019 natáčím jen pro jednoho klienta. tím klientem je Adam anon1218389281 - asi nejlepší lezec na světě, pro kterého natáčím velký video projekt. Ten orojekt se jmenuje Road to Tokio. je to dokument o Adamově cestě na olympijské hry v Tokiu 2020, kdy bude lezení součástí olympijských her poprvé v historii. každý týden přidáváme jeden díl, který má cca dvě až 7 až 12 min. A první díl byl vydán v lednu 2019 a poslední díl bude bude končit na olympiádě Tokiu v srpnu 2020."
2,68198,2020-01-05T18:46:07.975Z,12295,1,4,3,1,0,0,25.8,68157,anon4241195410,anon1732021886,"Diky, Pavle, za prispevek. Moc ti preju, ze si ted zijes svuj sen. Ze mas dream job, ktery ti dava smysl a ve kterem se porad posouvas. 
Jdeme se asi podivat na nejaky dil vaseho Road to Tokio:) treba ten z Nepalu."
3,68211,2020-01-06T06:07:54.059Z,12295,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,68198,anon1732021886,anon4241195410,Zlatíčko!
1,68208,2020-01-06T05:54:53.946Z,12299,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,68208,anon3177138536,anon3177138536,"Stalo se již dlouholetou tradicí, že se v prvním prosincovém týdnu konají dvě celoškolní akce. První je Mikulášský jarmark s rozesvěcováním vánočního stromu před školou. Jarmarku předcházejí již v listopadu velké přípravy. Každá třída si připravuje, jak se bude na svém stánku prezentovat. Někteří vyrábí vánoční ozdoby, jiní pečou perníčky, další budou připravovat občerstvení až v průběhu jarmarku. Letos poprvé byly stánky umístěny ve školní budově a ne v prostoru před školou. Využití výtěžku z prodeje si každá třída předem určí. Někteří si tak přispějí na školní výlet, další zvolí charitu nebo jiný účel. Jakmile skončí část jarmarku uvnitř budovy, shromáždí se rodiče, žáci i učitelé před školou a zazpívají si společně koledy. A pak již všichni odpočítávají čas do chvíle, kdy je rozsvícen krásně nazdobení smrk před školou…. Letos se jarmark mimořádně vydařil, přišlo mnoho rodičů, prarodičů a zúčastnila se většina tříd. Další den začíná chodit po škole Mikuláš, andělé a čerti. Je výsadou žáků devátých tříd doprovázet Mikuláše, anděla a čerta. Při návštěvě všech tříd děti zazpívají celé svitě vánoční písničky, předvedou říkanky a čerti odnesou zlobivé kluky v pytli… Již po mnoho let je zastoupení hlavních protagonistů stejné – ředitel anděl, čert – pan školník a Mikuláš pan učitel. Pokaždé se na tento první adventní týden všichni moc těší – počínaje žáky, přes další zaměstnance školy. Tato tradice se udržuje na naší škole již třicet let. Vzpomínám si, jak jsme na první vánoce po sametové revoluci zpívaly koledy do školního rozhlasu, starší paní učitelky plakaly… A jak se vše dotýká ředitele? Ten vše plánuje, koordinuje a pak je spokojen, když vše vyjde…"
2,68209,2020-01-06T05:59:08.782Z,12299,1,4,3,1,0,0,10.8,68208,anon4241195410,anon3177138536,"Ahoj tati, děkuju moc za hezkej příspěvek. Zní to super - i moc hezky tradice - zvlášť na ten Jarmark bych se někdy rád podíval. A su rád, že jsem se něco nového dozvěděl o vaší škole."
3,68210,2020-01-06T06:00:54.328Z,12299,0,4,3,1,0,0,20.8,68209,anon3177138536,anon4241195410,Jsi srdečně zván.
1,68055,2020-01-02T16:30:41.601Z,12286,0,15,14,360,0,0,1813.0,68055,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,https://www.frontpagelive.com/2020/01/01/ex-fox-anchor-explains-how-to-start-deprogramming-your-fox-brainwashed-friends-and-relatives/
2,68057,2020-01-02T16:39:49.314Z,12286,2,14,13,4,0,0,47.8,68055,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"I don't know if there are similar media outlets in Europe designed to stoke the hate fires.  But this article, from a former Fox News anchor, reveals in better detail something that some of us instinctively know already: that their programming is specifically designed to stoke tribal hate and fear.

As an American, and as a media professional for more than 30 years, much of it spent in the news business, I have been observing Fox News since its inception.  I knew that their slogan ""fair and balanced"" was deliberate doublespeak within days of their first broadcast.  It was clearly propaganda along the lines of what I imagined Pravda was like in its heyday.

Does Fox matter in the USA?  I will say straight out that no Fox News, no Trump Presidency and no GOP as we know it today.  Trump says things designed to do two things: outrage his opponents to keep them agitated and angry, and outrage his supporters to keep them agitated and angry too.  He says things every day that are patently absurd to anyone paying reasonable attention to facts and history.  But he knows that Fox will trumpet them endlessly as The Truth, widening the divide between the political polarities.  It is as masterful as it is disgusting.

And now in this era of social media, as the article points out, you might not even need a Fox News to amplify your divisive notions.  YouTube and Facebook work just fine for that.  The President of Brazil is a perfect example."
3,68058,2020-01-02T16:45:43.413Z,12286,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,68057,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"Some call the effect ""Foxycontin."""
4,68089,2020-01-03T03:13:39.479Z,12286,1,12,11,4,0,0,27.4,68055,anon3392431259,anon1659154220,"https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17664580/persuasive-technology-psychology
It's pervasive in media. All media. I would go so far as to say it is the purpose of media. Many believe the meaning of the message, the goal of communication, is the reaction you get. It certainly seems to be that way for many."
5,68122,2020-01-03T10:47:23.688Z,12286,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,68057,anon781457888,anon1659154220,Well Bannon and co have made moves over on this side pf the pond too...
6,68141,2020-01-03T14:58:21.237Z,12286,2,11,10,1,0,0,32.2,68089,anon1659154220,anon3392431259,"All commercial media is in it for the money and divisiveness, fear, even hate makes money. Speaking directly to the lizard brain so to speak. And the so-called mainstream media, almost all owned by big corporate interests, seems to have an agenda to perpetuate the status quo aimed to keep the money flowing in. 

But I don’t recall a time when a big media outfit walked so hand in hand with a would-be dictator."
7,68142,2020-01-03T15:01:45.570Z,12286,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,68141,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"And there is no doubt that Facebook uses such psyche techniques. Even in their perpetual scroll designed to create a sort of anxiety to keep seeking further amusement, validation and a fulfillment than can never arrive. 

I remember when the net had none of this."
8,68154,2020-01-04T05:39:26.604Z,12286,1,9,8,2,0,0,16.8,68141,anon3392431259,anon1659154220,"We see it as emerging from the death of the ""Free Press"" or alt press, where we were active for a long time, relatively speaking. First, pressure was put on the independent small owners of printing presses to not print alt material, The Bugle American out of Wisconsin & The Great Speckled Bird out of Atlanta both were targeted this way. Then, the price of newsprint became exorbitant, by design it now seems. Finally, big money just bought out the few remainders because it seems they could and thereby silence those annoying critical voices.

At first, dial-up digital bulletin board systems, often set up in garages & basements, offered an alternate venue but then the WWW emerged from ARPANET with a GUI lifted from HyperCard, where we get the icons of the pointing fanon3589994963r and the arrow, for example. For us, the major shift seemed to be when Amazon became profitable, as in its early stages of rapid growth it did not show a profit.

Capitalism will profit off of whatever opportunities/systems present themselves. The reactionary right with its regressive ethno-state surgically removing the egalitarian promise from its role of protecting its people drives a stake into the heart of enlightenment democracy. This is the current crisis of democracy but even as the right destabilizes & eventually destroys democracy, capital experiences its own crisis. 

While linked and feeding off of each other, capital & democracy each have their own issues & just now seem strange bedfellows.

The use of psych in influencing crowds dates back to Gustave Le Bon, late 1800s, and has solid continuous history up through Edward Bernays & today the work of Dr. Frank I. Luntz.

This mess then participates with the systems of complexity driving ecological overshoot & global heating. It's all holon with the human-Earth system.

Tried our best to stay focused here, but it was all pretty much stream-of-consciousness off the top of our heads. As we are in same population cohort with you, some of this must be familiar to you. Sorry if it became confusing, we're up to clarifying any points we brought up here."
9,68162,2020-01-04T13:43:03.730Z,12286,2,8,7,1,0,0,46.6,68154,anon1659154220,anon3392431259,"It wasn’t intended but Craigslist played a big role in killing off the alt press.  In the Bay Area the Bay Guardian and SF Weekly made most of their money from classified ads, in particular the “personals” ads. Craigslist took all of that business. And eventually ate the entire newspaper classified business. In 2000, the last year I worked for the SF Chronicle they grossed 139 million dollars in classified ads alone. Now they don’t even have a classified section. Same all over the country. Craigslist makes about a billion dollars a year, even with most of the ads being free."
10,68163,2020-01-04T13:47:23.264Z,12286,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,68162,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,At least they are an honest business. But it is classic winner-take-all. However it is my understanding that Facebook threatens their position with their own growing classified marketplace. That is unfortunate because Facebook is not at all an honest business.
11,68182,2020-01-04T23:18:51.000Z,12286,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,68162,anon3392431259,anon1659154220,"Yes, we well understand the dynamics. The long running Maui Bulletin folded last year in large measure due to Craigslist. Now BTW it seems Craigslist charges for ads in more categories. Who would have guessed, once they achieved monopoly status?

We were writing for the small weekly Maui papers & monthly anon1547754019zines until the dominating Maui News bought them out & closed them, supposedly for the competing advertising revenue but coincidently also just after our articles critical of GMOs & real estate development & water rights & Indigenous peoples issues & treatment of disabled people & well, those types of articles began running front page.

This seems related to how affordable housing is now scooped up by investors for rental investments, making them unavailability for purchase by first time homeowners.

It is all part of the crisis of capitalism, capitalist accumulation must be invested in expanding markets, perpetual growth is demanded by the system and all it can do now is create bubbles driven by over-investment because there are no more new areas to colonize & develop. So now the accumulated capital buys out everything up for sale because globally no new markets of scale available.

You can also see this in the EU, for example the low interest loans to Turkey for real estate development that goes unpopulated & then loan defaults. Greece just keeps on getting one loan on top of another, serial defaults, each new round of debt greater than the last to cover the accumulated interest & mandating austerity that cripples the ability to pay off anything. In the USA just the interest on the national debt now nears the entire GDP yet it is still seen as a safe investment so the debt goes higher.

With mutually assured destruction by nukes, capitalists no longer have conventional wars available to destroy surplus value & open up room for new investment & development.

This just multiplies the threats of the end of USA global hegemony, driving domestic right-wing fears & ongoing crisis of enlightenment democracy. Christian white-supremacy feeling embattled so we hear so much more hate speech. It's all connected. We've moved beyond complex systems to systems of complexity. No more simple causes of effects. Now multiple causes & multiple effects.

Once one begins looking, one can see the signs & symptoms everywhere."
12,68193,2020-01-05T16:04:47.008Z,12286,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,68182,anon1659154220,anon3392431259,"I agree.

And although there are innumerable blogs and sites and places where you can express yourself online, It's a big loss to municipalities to lose the alt press publications, much because they did a lot of local investigative reporting that one rarely sees now."
13,70209,2020-02-13T10:47:46.477Z,12286,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,68055,anon2979239943,anon1659154220,"@anon2661411812 I'm trying to code this thread but encountering issues --- my codes are splitting into two again (""social media"" becomes ""social"" and ""media"") and I get an error message saying my annotation can't be saved."
14,70228,2020-02-13T15:25:23.075Z,12286,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,70209,anon2661411812,anon2979239943,"Tested it, confirmed. You found [a small new bug](https://github.com/edgeryders/annotator_store-gem/issues/113).

You can use this workaround: choose the full ""digital media → social media"" proposal from the dropdown after entering ""social media"". Your code ""social media"" has a parent code, which prevents it from being created as another standalone code of the same name. So if you *mean* to code with ""digital media → social media"" (which I think you do …), just choose that entry from the list."
1,68132,2020-01-03T11:41:04.699Z,12292,0,6,5,3,0,0,16.2,68132,anon76040471,anon76040471,"PROČ JSEM ÚMYSLNĚ PORUŠIL ZÁKON A NECHAL SE ODNÉST POLICIÍ?
(FB post z 14.10.2019)

Loni touto dobou jsem byl zoufalý, vyděšený a naštvaný. Uvědomil jsem si totiž, že změna klimatu nepřijde někdy v daleké budoucnosti, ale postihne ještě naši generaci a bude to velmi zlé.
""Změna klimatu"" je velmi mírný, eufemický název pro přicházející krizi - celoplanetární anon3213561856astrofu bezprecedentních rozměrů, která ohrožuje další fungování naší civilizace a možná i přežití celého lidstva - tebe, co čteš tento příspěvek, mě, nás všech.

Před tím rokem jsem byl taky frustrovaný z toho, že jsem netušil, co přesně bych proti tomuto kolosálnímu problému mohl sám dělat. Slíbil jsem si, že už nikdy nikam nepoletím, vrátil se k vegetariánství, zpřísnil třídění odpadu a udělal další podobné kroky v osobním životě. Věděl jsem ale, že jsou bohužel zoufale nedostatečné, pokud je dělají jednotlivci.

Naštěstí se od té doby objevila se svým nemilosrdně pravdivým, nekompromisním vystoupením Greta Thunberg a dozvěděl jsem se o novém hnutí Extinction Rebellion.
To chce nenásilnou občanskou neposlušností přimět vlády a média pravdivě informovat o skutečném rozsahu problému a přimět je jednat, dokud je ještě trochu času nebezpečí odvrátit.

Nenásilná občanská neposlušnost znamená, že občané poruší vědomě a bez násilí běžný pořádek a zákon. Strpí zadržení nebo zatčení policií, eskortu na stanici, přestupkové řízení, zaplacení pokuty nebo jiný postih. Dělají to proto, že existuje problém, který je důležitější než jejich osobní pohodlí a svoboda. Pokud toto přesvědčení sdílí určitá část společnosti, dokážou zprvu malé akty občanské neposlušnosti přerůst v masové hnutí, které pohne dějinami.

Spolu s dalšími dobrovolníky hnutí Extinction Rebellion jsem přesvědčen, že tímto problémem je dnes klimatická krize. Prvních 130 českých rebelů se 12.10. položilo na magistrálu v Praze na Václavském náměstí a vědomě tak porušilo zákon. Jsem hrdý, že jsem byl jedním z nich.
Policie se k nám chovala velmi šetrně a s respektem - stejně jako my k ní. Mnozí z nich sdílí naše obavy a aspoň částečně s námi sympatizují.

Je nám líto, že jsme přidělali policii práci a zdrželi řidiče, kteří zrovna chtěli magistrálou projet. Upřímně se jim omlouváme. Domníváme se ale, že krize klimatu a životního prostředí je natolik zásadní, že nás opravňuje přistoupit k takto radikální formě protestu - já a mnozí z nás to cítíme jako svou morální povinnost.

Před rokem zoufalství a beznaděj, teď mě sebrala policie. V osobní rovině se život skutečně může za pouhý rok změnit až nepředstavitelně k lepšímu ![|16x16]:D
Přidejte se k nám, ať je nás příště aspoň desetkrát tolik.

Rebelie proti vyhynutí!
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2,68174,2020-01-04T16:00:34.808Z,12292,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,68132,anon4241195410,anon76040471,"Franto, zdravim Te a chtel bych Ti podekovat za tento prispevek. Zaroven bych tady pod nim chtel zminit, ze Ti patri velke diky nejen za aktivitu, kterou popisujes a za dalsi aktivity, kterym se venujes jako clen XR <cti Extinction rebellion>. Dalsi velky dik Ti patri za to, ze jsi sehral naprosto klicovou rolu pri vytvarenii Brnenske klimaticke koalice. A to zvlast v klicove pocatecni fazi. Viz tento predesly prispevek: https://edgeryders.eu/t/vznik-brnenske-klimaticke-koalice/11016/1."
3,68196,2020-01-05T16:49:03.905Z,12292,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,68132,anon927244916,anon76040471,"Musím říct, že jsem velký automobilista a blokování dopravních tepen mi vadí:)
Ale jsem rd, že jsem si tu mohl něco přečíst o vašich motivacích."
1,67774,2019-12-20T03:34:29.157Z,12216,0,9,8,3,0,0,16.8,67774,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Tentokrát řeknu něco o přírodě. 

Během dovolené v Thajsku jsme navštívili národní park Kaeng Krachan - kvůli pozorování divočiny a divoké zvěře. pozorování divočiny mě vždycky lákalo , nejvíc jsem vždycky chtěl vidět nějakou velkou šelmu.

Na téhle dovolené se mi tedy splnil jeden velký sen. O vlahém večeru ( nikoliv během jednoho z dlouhých výletů do divočiny,  do hloubi pralesa, ale během večeře v kempu)  se z houští na kraji lesa vynořil medvěd. pro úplnost - byl to medvěd brýlový. statné černé a klidné zvíře. přišel si prohlédnout, jaké zbytky se nahromadily pod okny táborové kuchyně.

O co jsem se chtěl hlavně podělit je to, proč mi přijde zajímavé pozorování divoké zvěře. A nemyslím tím pozorování srn na poli u Pohořelic. pro mě pozorování opravdu divokého pralesního zvířete znamená být pozorovatelem, hostem nebo možná i součástí úplně jiného světa. Nebo snad úplně jiného vesmíru.

Jak to myslím? tenhle vesmír se řídí úplně podle jiných pravidel než náš svět. v pralese neexistuje marketing účetnictví, PR, b2b,  ani žádné jiné srandy.  v pralese je na prvním místě život. život jako takový. čiré bytí. A boj o život. někdy Musí jeden život ustoupit jinému.  třeba Když tygr skolí jelena nebo Když tygr pojde stářím  nebo nerozdýchá infekci.  na moc velké části planety už zákony džungle dostaly jiný rozměr. na prvním místě není život, na prvním místě je vytváření zisku. I tady jeden princip vesmíru musel ustoupit jinému."
2,68176,2020-01-04T16:29:42.498Z,12216,1,3,2,1,0,0,10.6,67774,anon860407196,anon927244916,"Hi anon927244916.  A little bit of intro: I red and understood your post, but as I am not  native Czech I am only able to comment in English. I hope you will understand it. 

I really liked this post. Mainly because  I also have a dream to see a bear and other big beasts in the wild. Maybe I need to travel to Thailand next :-)

For me seeing and watching wildlife means making connection. Reconnecting to nature, what was once our real habitat rather than the artificial surrounding  of the cities."
3,68177,2020-01-04T17:04:54.215Z,12216,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,68176,anon4241195410,anon860407196,We need to go to see a bear in Slovakia. There are many of them. And we need to sleep more often in the wilderness.
1,63835,2019-11-12T08:39:02.076Z,11499,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,63835,anon860407196,anon860407196,"I am a biologist, I wanted to be a biologist since I am 12. I had an amazing biology teacher in high school and I was fascinated by every topic she was teaching me: human body, animals, vegetation, biochemical processes etc. 
So I started university and completed with a Master Degree in Biology. But during my university years I realized that what I am studying and what actually the daily routine of a biologist looks like doesn’t interest me anymore as much as I thought it would, but despite of this I finished my studies. 
After I had the Degree in my hand I needed to find a job and didn’t find the way out of this career anymore.
I worked more than 7 years as biologist until my life situation made me change country and quit my job. 
I currently live in the Czech Republic, where I am severely limited in finding a good job by not speaking the local language. I took the bests which were avaible for me, in which I didn’t need Czech language skills. I tried more and not surprisingly these jobs didn’t fulfill me eighter. But this difficult situation had a big positive effect, by giving me a push for change and finally make a deceision to start learning something completely new, which interests me for a long time, and this is dance therapy. 
Dance always played a very important role in my life and I’m also extremely interested in psychology and mental health. I’ve been thinking about it for a few years now that beeing a dance therapist could be the profession I have real passion for, let’s say my true calling, but I needed to be in this challanging work situation to finally make the first step of changing profession. 
Now I have 2,5 years of intense training ahead of me before I get a qualification as dance therapist followed by the real work of building up a new career from a sketch. I beleive that this is the path I need to follow, but also feel the pressure of time. I’m not 19 any more, like when I started my first studies, I need to make my own living and also need to think about starting a family soon. I regret the time I wasted so far but hope nothing is completely lost."
2,63841,2019-11-12T08:53:53.295Z,11499,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,63835,anon4241195410,anon860407196,"anon860407196,
Thank you for your post!
Believe me, I know how that feels....going thru the same myself.
I think we didn't waste the time we were doing the professions we believed was the right one. Now, this has changed and we are on a new path! Exciting one, bringing fresh wind in our lives...and the experience you got in your old profession cannot be taken away from you; even if you needed to go thru this old profession only to discover/confirm, that another one is the one to go for!!"
3,63939,2019-11-12T22:14:08.793Z,11499,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,63835,anon3353600255,anon860407196,"Hello anon860407196 and thank you very much for sharing your story, which immediately reminded me of @anon4241195410's experience he shared here [Pozdravy z Brna! aneb kde se vzal, tu se vzal…](https://edgeryders.eu/t/pozdravy-z-brna-aneb-kde-se-vzal-tu-se-vzal-eng-greetings-from-brno-and-my-way-how-i-got-here/10482)well as he already said himself:) I fully agree with what he said, I myself had various ideas of what to do in life and do not really regret anything I tried so far (including being an aspiring though not that good musician), despite the fact that it may seem not to apply in my current career as a historian (I guess that is what I could call myself). Dance therapy sounds quite exciting and I have not much of a concrete idea about it - do I understand correctly that you can and you do study a program in the Czech republic in this field?"
4,63989,2019-11-13T14:10:56.924Z,11499,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,63939,anon860407196,anon3353600255,"Only partly. The main training is in Budapest (my hometown) on the weekends, so I need to  travel a lot. But I also attend on dance therapy workshops in the Czech Republic, which are in english. These workshops are not organized by the same institute as the Budapest training, but are very usefull as supplementation."
5,64223,2019-11-15T13:18:03.154Z,11499,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,63989,anon3353600255,anon860407196,"Wow, quite some moving around - but as you say getting multiple inouts is mostly a beneficial thing to do."
6,68173,2020-01-04T15:57:34.597Z,11499,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64223,anon860407196,anon3353600255,"Yeah, that's for sure. And I enjoy being international a lot :-)"
1,67980,2019-12-29T02:41:11.608Z,12269,0,5,4,5,0,0,26.0,67980,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Ahoj, můj kamarád @anon4241195410 mě ještě poprosil, ať sem napíšu něco o hacanon3213561856honu, který se udál v v Brně 8.Listopadu. 

Byl jsem jen na panelové diskusi v pátek večer a musím říct, že byla moc hezky připravená. Odehrála se na skvělém místě v Brněnské káznici na Bratislavské. nebylo sice úplně narváno, ale lidí bylo dost. musím říct, že debata jako taková byla opravdu super. všichni panelisté byli odborníky ve svém oboru: ať už na sociální bydlení nebo na vyloučené lokality, na diskriminaci na trhu bydlení, na bydlení mladých nebo na úlohu architektů v problematice sociálního bydlení. Specificke pro tuhle debatu bylo to, že v ní nebyly zastoupeny názorové protiproudy. Čili že diskuze se nemotala kolem základních otázek sociálního bydlení, Ale šla patřičně do hloubky a do šířky na půdoryse shody na základních hodnotách. Na konci diskuze taky proběhla čirá debata s publikem.

Jinak hodně se mi líbily například názory Martina Freunda a rád jsem si poslechl věci, které říkal o housing First. Moc fajn byla i Barbora Matysová a vlastně všichni 4 panelisté byli super. 

Po panelovce se taky odehrál dezorganizovaný přesun do podniku Desert, kde se všechno náležitě probralo u piva:)"
2,68170,2020-01-04T15:33:06.490Z,12269,1,4,3,1,0,0,10.8,67980,anon4241195410,anon927244916,"Diky, Jirko za nazor. Myslim, ze pro tebe i pro @anon1732021886 bylo nasledne setkani, networking a socializace v klubu Dezert minimalne stejne dulezite, jako naslouchani penelove diskuze samotne. Nebo se mylim?:)"
3,68171,2020-01-04T15:36:38.622Z,12269,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,68170,anon1732021886,anon4241195410,"Ehm. Nepleteš se ani trochu. Tvé pozorovací schopnosti jsou tvou známou kvalitou. 
Poznávat nové kolegy a kolegyně je k nezaplacení."
1,67444,2019-12-12T16:04:58.249Z,12171,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,67444,anon4284705525,anon4284705525,"Přihlásila jsem se na Hacanon3213561856hon, protože studuju sociální práci a environmentální studia a téma dostupného bydlení mě zajímá.
Vnímám jako důležité propojení sociální a environmentální spravedlnosti. Právě v zaměření tohoto hacanon3213561856honu se tyto dvě neodlučitelné dimenze spravedlnosti prolínají.

Hacanon3213561856hon byl pro velice přínosný, nečekala jsem, že toho ve skupince Linduška 408 vymyslíme tolik a že se nebudu bát zapojit.
Vnímám tedy celou akci jako velice pozitivní!"
2,68168,2020-01-04T15:20:24.942Z,12171,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,67444,anon4241195410,anon4284705525,"Diky moc, Josefko, za prispevek. Moc si vazim toho, ze jsem te mohl na hacanon3213561856honu poznat.
Jsem strasne zvedavej na nejaky novinky ohledne Lindusky. Muzete si byt jisti, ze si nenecham ujit zadnou oteviraci party:)
 
Jinak studujes taky v Brne na FSS?"
1,56440,2019-07-09T21:11:59.005Z,10321,0,14,13,33,0,0,182.8,56440,anon2200648480,anon2200648480,"Od kilkunastu lat pracuję w różnych rozgłośniach radiowych. Ostatnie sześć w polskim radiu i bacznie obserwuję wszystkie zanon1235093333ny tak zawodowo jak i prywatnie. Najpierw zaraz po wygranych wyborach zmieniono władze radia, przyszli ludzie o konkretnych tradycyjnych poglądach silnie utożsaanon1235093333jący się z nową linią polityczną. Doszło do dużych zanon1235093333n kadrowych. Wielu odeszło z własnej woli czując presję, lub nie godząc się na żadną współpracę z nową władzą. Teraz widzę, że państwowe media zawsze były tubą propagandową i w ten sposób znalazłam też swój wewnętrzny kompromis w tej kwestii. Staram się zajmować tematami ważnymi społecznie i unikam jak mogę kwestii politycznych, ale nie zawsze jest to możliwe. PiS bardzo silnie zamanifestował swoją władzę w mediach. Szczególnie dotkliwe jest to w telewizji. U nas widać to w tym sescie, że PiS i tematy ""rządowe"" zajmują na tyle dużo miejsca antenowego, że dla opozycji nie ma jej zbyt wiele, w szczególności dla największej partii opozycyjnej- PO. Czasem od kolegów dostaję wytyczne kogo mogę, a kogo nie zapraszać do rozmowy. To ta słaba, ciemna strona ""Dobrej zanon1235093333ny"", ale to tylko część obrazu. 

Zajmuje się tematami społecznymi i mam silne poczucie, że Polityka Prorodzinna i w ogóle społeczna jest ważnym punktem ciężkości partii rządzącej. Nawet jeśli czasem nieudolnie, to faktycznie usiłują coś, w tych przez lata zaniedbanych dziedzinach, faktycznie zmienić. Tu coś faktycznie się dzieje. Nie mam pojęcia, czy stać nas finansowo na to wszystko. Nie muszę tego wiedzieć. To już rozliczy przyszłość. Myślę, że Państwo zaczyna dbać o przeciętnego Kowalskiego nie tylko deklaratywnie, ale i faktycznie. Patrząc z mojej ""firmowej"" perspektywy widzę paradoks: z jednej strony dostajemy opiekę, Wielki Brat czuwa, a z drugiej coś coś nam się zabiera, myślę o tych wszystkich politycznych zagrywkach, atak sądy i Trybunał etc. 

Zabawne jest to, że ja osobiście bardzo skorzystałam na zanon1235093333nach, które zaszły: dostałam upragnioną część  etatu (w radiu część etatu to już wiele), nagrodę, doceniono moje starania. Mój dotychczasowy szef choć ma ""odpowiedni poglądy"" to jest też dobrym człowiekiem, którego szanuję i który bardzo mi pomógł. Oczywiście może to był przypadek, że to wszystko przyszło wraz z nową władzą, ale jest też faktem. 

Muszę przyznać, że rozumiem wyborców PiSu, choć sama nigdy bym na niego nie zagłosowała. Przez lata osoby, którym było bliżej tradycyjnym wartościom reprezentowanym przez PiS były traktowane pogardliwie, poczucie krzywdy narastało, a PiS do perfekcji opanowało mówienie językiem zrozuanon1235093333łym dla blisko połowy społeczeństwa i wcale nie zamierza mówić do wszystkich, tylko właśnie do swojego twardego elektoratu, który wyniósł ich do władzy. Wczęśniej krytykowano tradycjne wartości, a teraz obciachem jest znów podejście liberalno-tęczowe. Marzy mi się, społeczeństwo bez pogardy, w których mogą równocześnie różne, nawet skrajne wartości, ale to wyanon1547754019 słuchania, a obecnie nikt nikogo nie chce usłyszeć. Zewsząd deklaruje się otwartość, ale pod warunkiem, że widzisz świat tak jak my. Strony polityczne zwarły się w walce i nie odpuszczają. Boję się, że to może doprowadzić do prawdziwej anon3213561856astrofy...

Myślę, że potrafię objąć tę kwestię dlatego, że sama pochodzę z małej wioski w centralnej Polsce, w której silne są tradycyjne układy i mentalność. Od wielu lat jestem w ""dużym mieście"", ale widzę z jaką pogardą i wyższością elity średniej klasy traktują ""zaściankową prowincję"". To musiało się kiedyś zemścić i zemściło. 

Zostałam poproszona o  stworzenie sylwetki ""typowego wyborcy PiS"", ale nie zrobię tego, bo to sugeruje, że macie już gotową tezę, a ja nie piszę się na takie gierki. Właśnie uśrednianie jest przyczyną nieszczęść tego społeczeństwa. Niebezpieczne jest usztywnianie się w każdej z pozycji nawet gdyby była słuszna. Spektrum wyborców PiSu jest tak samo szerokie jak każdej innej partii. Mimo to uważam, że to fajna inicjatywa. Życzę Wam powodzenia w poszukiwaniach. Dziękuję anon2693311786 za zaproszenie. W trosce o siebie zmieniłam swoje dane."
2,56862,2019-07-18T15:32:37.025Z,10321,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,56440,anon2446385507,anon2200648480,"Cześć i dziękuję za twoją historię!
Pochodzę z innego kraju Europy Środkowo-Wschodniej (Rumunia), gdzie mamy inne problemy niż Polacy. Ale zastanawiam się, czy jeśli nie zagłosujesz na PiS i poczujesz się bardziej liberalny, czy będziesz musiał w pewnym momencie wybrać? Co jeśli twoje wartości staną się zagrożone?

Zalecam przeczytanie i przekazanie opinii na temat podobnej historii (napisanej przez @anon
https://edgeryders.eu/t/skad-ta-prawica-na-lubelszczyznie/10129"
3,68137,2020-01-03T13:33:45.964Z,10321,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,56440,anon3593942245,anon2200648480,"Mam tak samo, @anon2200648480 - zastanawiam się, dlaczego dialog stał się niemożliwy, i na jakich zasadach można by go było przywrócić? Zastanawiam się, czy są w Polsce ruchy, organizacje, jednostki, które w jakiś sposob zajmują się koniecznością budowania dialogu w sensowny sposób? I czy możemy mieszkać ze sobą pomimo różnic - przy czym największym wyzwaniem byłoby stworzenie zasad współżycia z osobami, które odmawiają innym prawa bytu (albo kwestionują ich potrzeby, jak ze środowiskiem LGBT) - chociaż pewnie wszystko da się zrobić i mamy obowiązek próbować. 

Dzięki za wypowiedź i wbrew pozorom, wcale nie pytamy tutaj o wizerunek wyborcy pisu ani nie gramy w żadne gierki :) Może @anon2693311786 trochę to przejaskrawił - interesują nas indywidualne historie POlaków, w tym wyborców PiSu, i zrozumienie, dlaczego sytuacja polityczna w kraju wygląda jak wygląda. To badania etnograficzne nt. populizmu w Europie Środkowej i Wschodniej, a populizm nie jest tylko zjawiskiem na prawicy - choć ten, ponieważ cieszy się ogromnym powodzeniem, jest oczywiście ważniejszy dla nas teraz."
1,57297,2019-07-29T20:37:14.115Z,10433,0,10,9,5,0,0,27.0,57297,anon3105790413,anon3105790413,"Wychowałem się w kilkutysięcznym anon1235093333steczku na wschodnim Mazowszu. W zasadzie to duża wieś obecnie z prawami miejskimi. Sporo ludzi zajmuje się tu rolnictwem, choć wcześniej było ono bardziej obecne. Część ludzi pracuje w administracji, ale większość to robotnicy, majstry. Z wyjątkiem garstki nauczycieli, to raczej mało tutaj inteligencji. Przed wojną 80% mieszkańców stanowili Żydzi- wszystkich wywieziono ich do Treblinki. Generalnie skromnie się tutaj żyje. Sporym problemem jest obecnie nadużywanie alkoholu. W sumie zawsze tak było. Powszechne są tzw. ""stojaki"" czyli panowie, którzy popijają w zasadzie cały czas, robią rozruby. Znam ten obrazek też z dzieciństwa, to zawsze było u nas obecne. Ja zawsze anon1235093333łem swój świat i trzymałem się z boku i nie uczestniczyłem w tym &quot;zawadiackim&quot; świecie. 

Zawsze dużo się udzielałem, w szczególności w naszej drużynie piłkarskiej. Z chłopakami stąd grałem w piłkę, chodziliśmy na ryby, ale trzymałem się z dala od alkoholu. Raczej ominął mnie ten okres głupiego dorastania. Miałem swój plan, anon1235093333łem co robić i nie nudziło mi się za bardzo. Jeździłem na niemiecki do Siedlec, na treningi piłki nożnej, po nocach uczyłem się Linuxa. Poważnie raczej podchodziłem do życia. Dlaczego wyjechałem? Od dziecka nasza rodzina anon1235093333ła jakieś związki z Niemcami. Mój brat starszy brat wcześnie wyjechał do Niemiec. Wyjazdy te dały mi dostęp do innego trochę bardziej otwartego świata. To pomogło mi wzmocnić moją opozycję do prostego myślenia, którego doświadczałem w mojej społeczności, rozuanon1235093333nego jako: robić to co inni i tak jakinni bez przestrzeni na bycie sobą. Przynajmniej tak to wcześniej postrzegałem. 

Równocześnie dość krytycznie odnosiłem się do relacji między ludźmi. Tak, trochę byłomi tutaj za ciasno. To konserwatywne podejście mi uwierało. Klasyczny plan na życie, płynięcie z głównym nurtem nie były dla mnie. Starałem się otaczać ludźmi, którzy widzieli to podobnie. Miałem swoich ludzi. Ale większość z nich wyjechała. Wszyscy moi bliscy, z którymi czułem więź &quot;światopoglądową&quot;, wyjechali. Nie wyjechałem do Niemiec wyłącznie po to, żeby zarobić, co często nie mieści się w głowach mieszkańców mojego anon1235093333steczka. Kultura, język, właśnie możliwość poznania innego myślenia, podróżowanie, po prostu inne życie, to było to co mnie pociągało. Jak już to zrobiłem, to wiele osób mnie za to podziwiało, ale zanim do tego doszło, to starali się mnie na różne, najczęściej nieuświadomione sposoby zniechęcić. Może jakiś strach się z tym wiązał. Leżące nieopodal Siedlce są dość konserwatywnym ośrodkiem, przy tym dość małoanon1235093333steczkowym, czasami aż tandetnym. Myślę tu o braku otwartości, ciasnotę mentalną widoczne zachłyśnięcie się błyszczącą Warszawą. Tutaj mało jest inicjatyw kulturalnych, a raczej kolejne galerie handlowe. Odzywają się kompleksy wobec większych polskich anon1235093333st. Wiele osób pracuje w Warszawie i konfrontuje się z nią na co dzień, ale Siedlce to przede wszystkim anon1235093333sto, do którego przyjeżdżają ludzie z okolicznych wsi, co tworzy dość specyficzny klimat i styl. Oczywiście to jest tylko mój punkt widzenia, ale staram się nazwać wszystko to co spowodowało, że stąd wyjechałem. Nie widziałem tu dla siebie miejsca. Ten główny nurt mocno wpływał na mój mikroświat, na moje relacje. Nie potrafiłem tego za bardzo pogodzić. 

Moi rodzice głosowali za PO, ale w moich stronach partie konserwatywne mają znaczną większość. Mnie najbliżej politycznie do Koriwna. Rozmawiając z ludźmi wyczuwam często nastroje pełne lęku przed ""konfidentami"", ""wrogami"", ""uchodźcami"". Kiedyś o mały włos nie pobiłem się z jednym gościem, bo nie spodobało mi się jak krzyczał &quot;Jebać Niemców&quot;. To później stało się to przedmiotem zainteresowania innych, że niby broniłem Niemców. 

Dlaczego ludzie tutaj głosują na prawice? Myślę, żę to bierze się w jakimś stopniu z faktu, że nie poznają ""świata"", siedzą na miejscu, który jest ich całym światem. W dużej mierze też formatuje ich telewizja i to co w niej usłyszą. A jako, że nie doświadczają czegoś nowego, to się wszelkich nowości boją. To co jest stałe i od dawien dawna daje poczucie bezpieczeństwa. Podążanie za rodziną jest bardzo tutaj silne. Poza tym ludzie mają dużo czasu wolnego, tutaj płynie on inaczej. I za bardzo nie wiedzą co z tym czasem robić. Myślę, że strach gra tutaj jakąś ważną rolę w tym obrazie. Strach przed innym, przed zanon1235093333ną i strach przed tym, że utracę to co mam. Frustracje, niezadowolenie z życia. Te zamieszki w Białymstoku to było coś mocnego. Jeszcze jak faceci krzyczeli hasła: ""Zakaz pedałowania"", albo ""; ""obrońcy Kościoła i kultury""; to było dla mnie coś co znam, ale widziałem tam też dużo kobiet, które w tym brały udział i dziwnie mi się tego słuchało. Tyle w tym nienawiści. Moja dziewczyna zareagowało na to bardzo emocjonalnie, mówiąc, że to jest jakaś patologia, debile etc. 

Czasem słucham sobie Korwina i chyba najbliżej mi do niego. Uważam, że to bardzo inteligentny człowiek. On bardzo racjonalnie, logicznie myśli. Odwołuje się do czegoś co jest dla mnie ważne, czyli do jak najmniejszej anon3589994963rencji państwa w życie obywateli. Żeby społeczności same się angażowały do działania i brały odpowiedzialność. Żeby nie czekały na państwo, który na wszystkim kładzie łapę i chce mieć swój profit. Kiedyś chłop musiał oddać jakąś dziesięcinę panu i anon1235093333ł spokój, a dziś trzeba oddawać dziesięcinę na każdym kroku. I najgorsze w tym wszystkim jest to, że u nas państwo nie działa. Jest niewydolne. No bo co dostajesz w zaanon1235093333n za te daniny? Mam porównanie do tego jak działa to w Niemczech i w związku z tym nie mam problemu z tym, żeby tam płacić podatki. Moje wynagrodzenie mi w zupełności wystarcza, choć wcale nie haruję jak wół, a druga sprawa, że urzędy DZIAŁAJĄ. Państwo w Polsce jawi mi się jako nieprzyjazny byt. Nie mam do niego zaufania.

Jarek, 37, lingwista, informatyk, podróżnik

Niemcy- Wschodnie Mazowsze-cały świat"
2,68135,2020-01-03T12:57:06.365Z,10433,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,57297,anon3593942245,anon3105790413,"@anon3105790413 - przepraszam, że tyle zajęło mi odpisanie na Twój post, ale dziękuję Ci za niego. Gdzie w Niemczech mieszkasz? Ja w Berlinie :slight_smile:

Mam takie same odczucia jeśli chodzi o podatki - płacenie ich w Berlinie wydaje mi się sensowne, nie mogłam tego powiedzieć o Polsce. Ale nie uważam, że państwo minimalne jest rozwiązaniem polskich problemów - państwo minimalne jest marzeniem Amerykanów, i wiele jego zarysów udało się zrealizować tam (brak emerytur czy powszechnego ubezpieczenia zdrowotnego to dobre przykłady) i wiemy, jak się to kończy u nich - średni wiek zaczął spadać ostatnio, kobiety umierają przy porodach w zaskakująco wysokich liczbach, powracają choroby, które u nas uznanoby za średniowieczne (bezdomność jest gigantyczna, kolejna zasługa minimalnego państwa). 

Dlaczego nie uważasz, że możliwy byłby u nas niemiecki model? Wydolne, sprawne, dość opiekuńcze państwo, w którym wiadomo, co się dzieje z podatkami? (mniej więcej)

Pozdrawiam!"
1,56856,2019-07-18T12:02:20.246Z,10378,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,56856,anon3757046058,anon3757046058,"(Wypowiedź w dużych emocjach)

Dlczego PiS? To jest proste, PiS dzieli się z narodem tym co jest wypracowane, a tamci kładli do własnej kieszeni i tyle. PiS zależy, żeby w Polsce coś szło do przodu, a tamci to złodzieje po prostu. Kupa złodziei. Jak z tymi ustawami o VAT, że go można było odciać, to dla kogo oni to robili? Przedłużali ten czas na odciągnięcie VATu, to przecież robili dla swoich kolesi. To trzeba być idiotą, żeby tego nie rozumieć. Ja to sobie tak tłumaczę, że ludzie, którzy głosowali na PO musieli na tym korzystać. To trzeba mieć coś z głową nie tak, żeby nie widzieć jaka jest różnica. 

PiS też nie jest najlepszy, każda władza ciągnie do siebie, ale różnica jest potworna. To nie chodzi o mnie, ale widać, że dają ludziom potrzebującym. Dzielą się ze społeczeństwem. Przykład: Orlen wypracował przez ostatnie cztery lata rządów PO trzy miliardy złotych, przez cztery ostatnie lata rządów PiS - siedemnaście miliardów. Gdzie się podziało te kilkanaściemiliardów? Gdzię się to podziało? Oni robili to dla siebie, dla wtajemniczonych. Można było ukrócić tę kradzież VATu dużo wcześniej. Taka różnica w dochodach państwowej spółki! To jest zupełnie inne podejście do narodu, do państwa, do ludzi - po prostu. Tamci trzymali tylko ze swoimi tylko i wyłącznie. Inaczej nie mogę tego wytłumaczyć. Staram się nie emocjonować, bo mam inne problemy, ale mnie to wkurza. No wkurza! Weźmy ostatnie wybory do Europarlamentu. Partia, która kiedyś mieniła się postsolidarnościową, to są praktycznie upadłe anioły. Niesiołoski na przykład. Człowiek zionący nienawiścią, ale to jednak wzorzec walki o niepodległość. I teraz Koalicja na własnych plecach, a właściwie ludzie, którzy na nich głosowali wywindowali do Europarlamentu Millera, Huebner, Belkę, Cimoszewicza- przecież to czyści komuniści. Do tego jeszcze Arłukowicz, Kopacz, gwiazdor Sikorski ten od ""dożynania watah"". A teraz widać kto jest kim. Widać czym jest PO, z kim trzyma. Jak tak można wywindować takie polityczne trupy. Schetyna to jest kłamca, jedno mówi rano, a drugie wieczorem. Raz jest za LGBT, a raz przeciw. Kompletne dno polityczne. 

A jak widzę tematykę LGBT? Nie mam nic do tych ludzi. Niech sobie robią co chcą. W domu. Ale to nachalne propagowanie choroby, bo ja to uważam za chorobę mózgu, której lekarze jeszcze nie potrafią leczyć. Ale jest to choroba mózgu. Wychodzenie z tym na ulicę i propagowanie swojej choroby. To tak jakby ktoś chory na gruźlicę chodził po ulicy i chwalił się swoją chorobą. Oni chcą mieć specjalne przywileje, a przecież to jest mniejszość.  Oni chcą mieć większe prawa niż reszta społeczeństwa. Mnie WHO nie przekonuje. Uznało, że homoseksualizm jest normalnością. To się szybko rozeszło po całym świecie, ale wielu z tej komisji bardzo szybko się wycofało, o czym powszechnie nie wiadomo. To się rozeszło, że to coś normalnego i od tamtej pory wszyscy uważąją to za zupełnie zdrowe. 

No jak może być zdrowa osoba, która ma takie poglądy? Jak to Cejrowski kiedy napisał kiedyś pięknie w książce swojej ""Z całą pewnąścią nienormalne jest pakować tłok do rury wydechowej"". Niech sobie żyją, robią co chcą. Jeżeli mnie to nie dotyczy, nie są nachalni, to co mnie to obchodzi. Każdy ma w domu swoje życie, ale to nachalne epatowanie tym jest wkurzające, to są przebierańcy, jakaś ekstrema. Moim zdaniem Ci epatujący to też jest w ich gronie mniejszość. Myślę, że jakiś zdrowy na umyśle homoseksualista wcale nie chce tym epatować. Tak jak te ich marsze równości. Nigdy te parady nie są we wszystkich anon1235093333stach równocześnie, bo uczestników jest mało. Oni się przemieszczają. To są cały czas ci sami ludzie. A najbardziej wkurzające jest to, że platformach wiązących tych ludzi są reklamy dużych firm, które to sponsorują. Mają w tym jakiś interes. Trudno powiedzieć jaki, ale jakiś mają. 

Podoba mi się jak PiS walczy o Polskę na arenie międzynarodowej, a nie tylko przytakuje: ""Ja, ja, jawohl"". Przecież Tusk był na rozkazy, to była marionetka. Co on zrobił dla Polski, wręcz odwrotnie, on był przeciwko Polsce. Jak naprzykład jego wypowiedź o karach dla krajów, które nie chcą przyjmować imigrantów. Każdy kraj 
powinien o tym sam decydować. Merkel zaprosiła Imigrantów do Polski to niech się z tym teraz buja. Chciała być taka cwana, wziąć sobie tych najzdolniejszych, a resztę rozesłać po Europie? Przymusić? Ja byłem w Szwecji nie raz, widziałem jak to wygląda. Tragedia. Całe osiedla opanowywane przez rodziny islamskie. Szwedzi się wyprowadzają. Ludzie boją się wejść do tych osiedli. Jak zaczynałem jeździć do Szwecji to było duże zaufanie społeczne, otwarte samochody, domy, rowery stojące przed domem. I nic się nie działo. Z czasem jak zaczęli pojawiać się imigranci zaczęły pojawiać się alarmy. U nas też jest za dużo Ukraińców. Można by było to jakoś ograniczyć, kontrolować. Niby to jest teraz lepiej kontrolowane. To jest delianon3213561856na sprawa i nie wiadomo jak to rozwiązać. Podobno wielu z nich jest już w Polsce oficjalnie, płącą podatki są ubezpieczeni także o tyle dobrze. To też nie jest naród przyjazny Polsce tak do końca. Ostatnio jakiś dziesięciolatek biegał po szkole i krzyczał, że Bandera to jego bohater. Zwrócił mu uwage Polak i była afera, że jest rasistą. To co kiedyś zrobili to było straszne. Polacy też mają swoje za uszami, ale mnie zabijali widłami, siekierami, nie wykuwali oczu przed śmiercią; dzieci na sztachety wbijali na oczach matek. Coś strasznego. To było chore ta rzeź Wołyńska. To była dzicz, zwyrodnienie totalne. Zwierzęta tak nie robią jak oni robili. Hitlerowcy tacy nie byli.  Czas mija, a Bandera dalej jest ich bohaterem. Nie wiadomo co z nimi będzie, mogą się odwrócić. Jest niepokój. Moja daleka rodzina uciekała stamtąd. Moim zdaniem takie kraje jak Francja, Szwecja czy Niemcy, staną sie muzułmańskie. Mnożą się jak szczury i przejmą to. Anglia sobie poradzi, bo to są mądrzy ludzie i jak przyjdzie co do czego to bch wygodnią i tyle. Ale Europa sobie nie poradzi. 

A co do religii, ja kiedyś byłem mocno wierzący. Tak samo moja rodzina, w szczególności mój dziadek. Jak zmarł dziadek, to wykupiliśmy mu całą opcję, ksiądz dostał z górką, a podczas mszy za dziadka dwa razy z tacą obrócił. Od tamtej pory przestałem wierzyć w instytucję kościoła. Kościół to nie jest szczera instytucja.

anon3757046058, Warszawa, 55+"
2,68134,2020-01-03T12:19:03.398Z,10378,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,56856,anon3593942245,anon3757046058,"@anon3757046058 - rozwijające się gospodarczo kraje, w których edukacja jest na wysokim poziomie w Europie, to kraje, w których dzietność maleje. Zanon1235093333ny światpoglądowe, priorytetyzowanie kariery, inne oczekiwania wobec życia, zanon1235093333na tradycyjnej roli kobiety, to wszystko przekłada się na te zanon1235093333ny. Nie wiemy jeszcze, czy to samo nie dotknie grup migranckich - być może nie w pierwszym pokoleniu, ale w kolejnych już bardzo możliwe. Zastanawiam się, czy wtedy, kiedy nie będą się oni ""rozmnażali jak szczury"", będą oni lepiej przyjmowani w Europie? Czy to tylko o to chodzi? I czy rodziny z pięciorgiem dzieci w Polsce też uważa się za ""szczurze""? Kiedy przekracza się limit człowieczeństwa i wpada w taką anon3213561856egorię?"
1,57355,2019-07-30T18:22:28.731Z,10444,0,10,9,19,0,0,97.0,57355,anon3989965352,anon3989965352,"Jeśli chodzi o tę pracę, którą teraz wykonuję, to pamiętam, że mama podesłała mi ogłoszenie. Szukałem pracy między semestrami, a studiowałem wówczas już w Berlinie. Moja mama przez wiele lat opiekowała się osobami starszymi w Niemczech i widziała gdzie szukać. Ten człowiek, z którym zacząłem pracę, to był naprawdę trudny przypadek, na tyle trudny, że przede mną próbowało już kilkanaście osób! Przez jego agresywne zachowania ciężko było dobrać do niego odpowiedniego opiekuna. Zdaje się, że kiedyś nawet kogoś pobił. To był chłopak z zespołem Downa, ale był agresywny tak dla innych jak i dla siebie. Nikt nie chciał z nim pracować, a mnie jakoś zaakceptował i do dzisiaj z nim pracuję. Mimo jego znacznej niepełnosprawności i związanymi z nią trudnościami, daliśmy radę. Czyli w sumie ta praca był przypadek. Droga wybrała mnie.

Pochodzę z kilkunastotysięcznego anon1235093333steczka w województwie lubuskim, gdzie się wychowałem. Na emigracji jestem już w sumie dwanaście lat, przed Berlinem jeszcze dwa lata byłem w UK, ale tam było stricte zarobkowo. Odkładałem na studia. Mam tutaj w Berlinie takiego znajomego, z którym całkowicie nie zgadzamy się co do poglądów naszych na Polskę. Zawsze kiedy się widzimy, to iskry lecą. Ja go trochę wrzuciłem do szufladki, pt. Czytelnik Wyborczej i Polityki. Mam takie poczucie jakby patrzył na mnie z góry, bo mam inne poglądy niż on, a on „ma zawsze rację”. Powołuje się na autorytety i nie ma z tym żadnej dyskusji, nie można tego w jego ocenie w ogóle kwestionować. A mnie w takiej sytuacji uruchaanon1235093333 się mechanizm obronny. Staram się kwestionować pewne rzeczy, żeby je przemielić, przerobić, przetrawić. Wykonuję jakąś pracę analityczną, żeby to sobie jakoś wytłumaczyć. Sposób w jaki on przedstawia mi swoje racje jest bardzo agresywny, narzucający. Nieszanujący zdania drugiej strony. Patrzenie na innych z góry, to coś co mnie najbardziej wkurza. Tak i tak masz myśleć i koniec dyskusji. To jest coś, co wzbudza we mnie czasem nawet agresję. To mój mechanizm obronny. Kiedy czuję się atakowany, wówczas odpowiadam tym samym językiem. I stąd może się wydawać, że czasem brzmię jak radykał, ale nie jestem radykałem. Można mnie przekonać, o ile nie traktuje się mnie z góry.

Chodzę na wybory, bo czuję się, mimo już dwunastu lat na emigracji, w jakiś sposób odpowiedzialny za Polskę. Chociaż nabrałem już nieco więcej dystansu do spraw politycznych, to wciąż strasznie wkurza mnie w politykach, że nie mówią nigdy wprost. Każda partia ma swoją linię i politycy muszą się jej trzymać. Jak tylko widzę gdzieś polityków, to wyłączam TV, bo mam do nich baaardzo ograniczone zaufanie. Ale problem w tym, że oni nie są w stanie mi nic ciekawego powiedzieć. Odpowiedzi szukam raczej gdzie indziej u publicystów, badaczy. Politycy strasznie rozczarowują w kwestii wyjaśniania realiów. Najgorsze, że nawet gdyby chcieli coś sensownego powiedzieć, czy zdziałać, to często są ograniczeni przez politykę swojej partii. Oczywiście tak jest wszędzie, nie tylko w Polsce, ale tu mnie to boli, bo mam z Polską więź. Głosuję na PiS, ale z wieloma zastrzeżeniami. Bardzo wkurza mnie plemienność partyjna u nas. Racjonalne argumenty nie mają racji bytu, a wszystko rozgrywa się na płaszczyźnie emocjonalnej. Może nie jest to jeszcze skrajne, ale to idzie w takim kierunku, że ludzie przestają ze sobą rozmawiać, bo emocje sięgają zenitu. Jak we Włoszech czy na Węgrzech, że rodziny nie są stanie ze sobą wytrzymać, bo polityka ich różni. To jest straszne. Politycy grają na naszych emocjach i wykorzystują je do swoich celów, a my się temu poddajemy. Brak w tym merytoryki. Teraz wybuchł skandal, że jakiś polityk umieścił znak Polski Walczącej na tle tęczowej flagi. Wielka afera o coś tak nieistotnego; skandal i oburzenie. Szuka się teraz skandali, żeby odwracać zainteresowanie mas od rzeczy kluczowych. To co ważne jest maskowane a zajmujemy się pierdołami. I tak od 30 lat. Coraz trudniej daje się weryfikować fakty, w dobie fakenewsów. Kiedyś dawno temu głosowałem na Platformę Obywatelską. Kiedyś wierzyłem, że PO i PiS jako partie postsolidarnościowe, będą zmieniać Polskę, ale bardzo rozczarowałem się co do PO. Mieli okazję wszystkie stare sprawy pozamykać. Byłem rozczarowany, że nie dogadali się razem i zrozuanon1235093333łem, że nie chodzi tu o to, żeby służyć dobru ogólnemu, tylko o realizację swoich interesów. Nie chodziło o reformowanie kraju. Byłem wtedy bardzo rozczarowany. Teraz mam wrażenie, że coś się zmienia i to są ważne zanon1235093333ny. Często te zanon1235093333ny są przeprowadzane nieudolnie, ale coś w końcu się dzieje. Próbują coś zmienić. Przełamano myślenie, że się „nie da&quot;. Okazuje, że można wiele i robią to. Według mnie to pogarda pogrążyła poprzednią władzę. Ci spośród moich znajomych, którzy głosują na PiS wspominają ten czynnik właśnie na pierwszym miejscu. Inna sprawa, że masy żyły przez lata w takim letargu, z którego PiS je swoimi działaniami wybudził, dając sygnał &quot;Jesteście członkami tej wspólnoty, jesteście obywatelami, nie zapominamy o Was” Chcemy, żebyście uczestniczyli w tym społeczeństwie.&quot; Myślę tu głównie o tych socjalnych działaniach. Ludzie widzą, że klasa polityczna w końcu się nimi zajęła. Tą masą, która była wcześniej wyłączona. Żeby poczuli się członkami wspólnoty. Żeby nie byli tylko szarą masą, której nikt nie reprezentuje. Opozycja nie ma wciąż sensownego programu, który mógłby konkurować z obecną władzą, a hasła: Odsunąć PiS od władzy. PiS niszczy Państwo, PiS wyprowadzi nas z Uni Europejskiej itp już się przejadły i nikt tego nie słucha.

Rafał 36
Pracownik socjalny-opiekun
Berlin-Lubuskie"
2,60027,2019-09-27T13:30:06.632Z,10444,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,57355,anon1274458134,anon3989965352,"Czołem! Kiedy czytam Twój wpis czuje się jakbym czytał o sobie samym. Mamy podobne preferencje wyborcze. Kiedyś podobnie jak Ty głosowałem na PO. Podobnie jak i Ty uważałem, że zarówno PO jak i PiS jako postsolidarnościowe partie dokonają tutaj jakichś pozytywnych zanon1235093333n. Potem nastąpiło rozczarowanie i teraz też głosuję na PiS ale z wieloma zastrzezeniami (lub na antysystemową prawicę). I myślę, że takich jak my jest duuuuużo więcej i poniekąd to stanowi o sile PiS. Kiedyś byli partią wyborców anon3213561856olicko - narodowych, ale teraz o ich sile decydują głosy tzw. normalsów, którzy nie chcieli żyć dłużej w kraju kolesi z PO."
3,68133,2020-01-03T12:02:49.708Z,10444,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,57355,anon3593942245,anon3989965352,"Hej @anon3989965352 - jeśli masz kiedyś ochotę spotkać sie na piwo i pogadać, to ja też jestem w Berlinie :slight_smile:

Co do polityki nie zgodzimy się raczej (ja głosuję na lewicę), ale ciekawa jestem, czy będę potrafiła Cię lepiej wysłuchać. Potrzeba uczenia się rozmowy wydaje mi się teraz absolutnie kluczowa i elementarna, tym bardziej, że mierzymy się z podobnymi trudnościami - nie widzimy dla nich jednak podobnych rozwiązań. 

Martwią mnie zakusy PiSu w sprawie sądownictwa, ich polityka wobec osób LGBT, wsparcie węgla. Intryguje udane przywrócenie pomocy socjalnej w pewnych aspektach - chociaż wciąż jest ona niepełna i niedoskonała, i wolałabym lepiej urządzoną pomoc dla niepełnosprawnych czy ubogich, niż bezwarunkowe 500plus. Na pewno zwiększenie placy minimalnej. Lepsze warunki pracy dla nauczycieli, takie rzeczy.


Mówisz, że rzeczy się zmieniają na lepsze - czy chciałbyś nam o tym opowiedzieć? Co takiego podoba Ci się w obecnych politycznych decyzjach?"
1,62148,2019-10-23T17:06:54.003Z,11246,0,8,7,3,0,0,46.6,62148,anon861651597,anon861651597,"Chciałem poruszyć temat zanon1235093333ny klimat, który bardzo mnie trapi. Mówi się w Polsce, że powinniśmy przestawiać nasz tryb życia tak, że maksymalnie, czasem nawet radykalnie obniżyć emisję CO2.
OK, ale co z tego, że ja ograniczę emisję CO2 w moim codzienny życiu, skoro Rząd nadal chce inwestować w węgiel (często słabej jakości ze wschodu) i opierać na nim naszą politykę energetyczną.  Co z tego, że kupię samochód elektryczny, skoro tak na prawdę będzie napędzany węglem. 
Wątek globalnej walki o utrzymanie klimatu dla mnie tutaj się nie pokrywa z rzeczywistością.
Idąc dalej, co z tego , że UE wydaje kolejne przepisy zmuszające państwa UE oraz przedsiębiorstwa w niej się znajdujące do zmniejszenia emisji CO2, skoro UE na dzień dzisiejszy emituje tylko 10% z globalnej emisji CO2 (dla porównania USA: 15%, Chiny: 27%). Takie dyrektywy powodują tylko, że firmy uciekają na inne kontynenty, my przestajemy zarabiać, a emisja CO2 i tak zostaje na tym samym poziomie jak nie rośnie. 

Kolejnym ciekawym elementem jest biomasa. Japonia, USA a nawet UE  szczycą się, że są eko, bo używają biomasy w dużej mierze. Prawda jest jednak taka, że ściągają ją głównie z Brazylii, która, żeby zaspokoić rosnący popyt, wycina Puszczę Amazońską, robiąc tym samym miejsce pod uprawy. Następnie wyprodukowana biomasa ściągana jest do krajów statkami spalającymi mazut. Gdzie tu ekologia?

Jedyny argument z bieżącej polityki klimatycznej jaki do mnie dociera jest taki, że sami możemy wpłynąć na nasz lokalny klimat. Mam na myśli smog z którym każde anon1235093333sto się mierzy. I tutaj nawet kupno wspomnianego samochodu elektrycznego ma sens, bo nie zatruwamy własnego podwórka bezpośrednio i mimo, że nie wpływa to znacznie na globalną emisję CO2, to chociaż możemy powdychać czystsze powietrze odrobinę dłużej :slight_smile:"
2,63167,2019-11-06T09:20:35.372Z,11246,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,62148,anon1274458134,anon861651597,"@anon861651597 
Ano właśnie, poruszone przez Ciebie zagadnienia pokazują ile ta cała walka o klimat jest warta. Nie neguję, że klimat się zmienia, nie neguję, że mamy problem z czystością powietrza - pochodzę z małego anon1235093333steczka gdzie wszyscy praktycznie ogrzewają domy węglem i po prostu czuć ten problem w chłodniejszych miesiącach, ale z drugiej strony jest tak jak piszesz - w porównaniu z innymi państwami nie stanowimy wielkiego problemu dla przyrody. Podobno działalność człowieka to w skali globalnej tylko 5% emisji CO2. Co nie oznacza, że te 5% nie stanowi problemu, bo jednak w jakiś sposób się akumuluje i może prowadzić do przyspieszenia zanon1235093333n klimatycznych czy zwiększenia ich skutków. Uważam, że tzw. ""walka z globalnym ociepleniem"" czy ""dekarbonizacja"" to bat ukręcony na pomniejsze gospodarki w celu podniesienia kosztów produkcji energii w państwach naszego regionu, tak aby zmusić min. Polskę do kupowania energii z zagranicy. Niemcy wszak nie mają oporów przed otwieraniem nowych elektrowni opartych na węglu. Podobnie zresztą sprawa wygląda z blokowaniem inwestycji infrastrukturalnych w stylu przekopu Mierzei Wiślanej czy budowy trasy S7. Nie chodzi tu wcale o środowisko, tylko o brutalną walkę o interesy ekonomiczne. Niestety walka ta nie polega na zdrowej konkurencji tylko na próbie przetrącenia kręgosłupa rywalowi i uzależnienia go od siebie. Dlatego też uważam organizacje typu Greenpeace, wybaczcie proszę to porównanie drodzy ""ekolodzy"", za ""pożytecznych idiotów"" , którzy wcale nie przysłużą się przyrodzie ale z pewnością robią dobrą robotę dla niemieckiego przemysłu energetycznego."
3,68131,2020-01-03T11:38:26.553Z,11246,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,62148,anon3593942245,anon861651597,"Hej @anon861651597 - dzięki za te słowa. Klimatyczne zanon1235093333ny, czy raczej anon3213561856astrofa klimatyczna (w obliczu płonącej Australii, regularnie juz płonącej Kalifornii, i być może regularnie(j) płonącej Skandynawii, oraz znikających wysp i państw w obszarach globalnego południa, coraz trudniej jest nam zaprzeczać, że klimat się nie zmienia - oczywiście, to, kto jest tego sprawcą, wciąż pozostaje tematem sporu, ale naukowcy są na całym świecie zgodni w tej sprawie. 

[Tu jest ciekawy artykuł o tym](https://krytykanon3760934795ityczna.pl/swiat/dlaczego-ludzie-nie-wierza-w-anon3213561856astrofe-klimatyczna), jak wyborcy PiSu w większości chcą odejścia Polski od polityki węglowej. A więc świadomość na prawicy też istnieje. Oczywiście, jak @anon1274458134 słusznie zauważył, rządania od biednych państw do ograniczenia emisji w sytuacji, kiedy te wiążą się z możliwością rozwoju, jest problematyczne i niesprawiedliwe - i chyba jedynym wyjściem byłoby zmuszenie największych gospodarek do pokrycia kosztów rozwoju nowych, zielonych technologii, i podzielenia się tymi technologiami i wiedzą. A może jeszcze lepiej - wspólnego ich stworzenia."
1,67368,2019-12-11T15:32:53.251Z,12158,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,67368,anon17728364,anon17728364,"Zhruba před měsícem a půl jsem byl pozván do panelu o současné krizi bydlení, který zahajoval víkendovou akci Hacanon3213561856hon: Bydlení je právo. Velmi děkuji za pozvání a za pořádání celé akce. Myslím, že je potřeba společně hledat nová řešení.
V panelu jsem vystupoval jako výzkumník, který v současné době zkoumá strategie jakými mladí lidé reagují na vzrůstající nedostupnost bydlení ve velkých městech v České Republice."
2,68119,2020-01-03T10:40:46.101Z,12158,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,67368,anon927244916,anon17728364,"Díky Petře, byli jste všichni super!"
3,68120,2020-01-03T10:43:05.747Z,12158,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,67368,anon4241195410,anon17728364,"Já taky děkuju, Petře, za příspěvek i za to, že jsi přijal pozvání na panel.
Všichni jste na panelovce předvedli obrovský vhled do problematiky.

Těším se, že snad brzy budeme kolegy na Fakultě Sociálních Studií MU v Brne!!"
1,67441,2019-12-12T12:32:37.364Z,12170,0,8,7,4,0,0,36.6,67441,anon927244916,anon927244916,"Ahoj všem, i když to tu bude trošku zvláštní, rád bych s vámi sdílel jednu pozitivní zkušenost z vídeňského letiště.

Je tu Vánoční čas a to pro mě a mé kamarády - a jsme za to vděční -znamená čas dovolené. Vloni jsme ve stejné sestavě byli v Izraeli, rok předtím zase v Kosovu. Letos letíme společně do Bangkoku a chceme procestovat hlavně Kambodžu. Už teď se nemůžeme dočanon3213561856. Každopádně ještě jsme ani neodletěli a už musíme řešit první komplikace. Klasika:)

Letenky kupujeme vždycky společně a letos se nám tam vloudil šotek. Moje jméno bylo v rezervaci letenky špatně napsáno. Jedno písmenko zaměněné za jiné. Řeknete si - banalita. Ale kdo trošku cestujete letadlem a máte nějaké zkušenosti s leteckými společnostmi, tak asi víte, že letecké společnosti nejsou úplně andílci. Nenechají si ujít jedinou příležitost vás oškubat o vaše peníze.  Zavazadlo je trošku větší? platíte. malinko objemnější? platíte. Chcete si sednout s kamarádem vedle sebe? Jasně, zaplatíte. Nicméně musím říct, že dnešní zkušenost mi potvrzuje, že tohle zloduší chování je spíš výsadou levných aerolinek. Musím říct, že zaměstnanci společnosti Qatar Airlines na odbavení zavazadel se chovaly Naprosto úžasně. Rozumějte, že kdybych letěl například s wizzerem, jsem si naprosto jistý, že tenhle překlep by mě takových sto euro určitě stál. Jak jsem říkal, některé aerolinky třeba mají levnou letenku, ale pak vás natáhnou třeba na zavazadlech. Ovšem na této přepážce Qatar Airlines na vídeňském letišti všechno zvládli s naprostou grácií. A to, že se moje jméno ne úplně shodovalo se jménem na registraci letenky nezveličovali a nedělali z něj velké haló. prostě mi na rezervaci letenky upravili zadarmo překlep. slušně jsem poděkoval a rozloučili jsme se širokým úsměvem.

Nicméně jsem si jistý, že nějaké ty drobnější problémy ještě při našem cestování budeme muset řešit. Třeba se s nimi podělíme i tady na platformě. Mějte se fajn a užívejte Vánoce. Nazdar!"
2,68116,2020-01-03T10:34:18.685Z,12170,1,3,2,1,0,0,10.6,67441,anon4241195410,anon927244916,"Kamarade, diky za prispevek. Jsem rad, ze ti to proslo a nestalo to zadne penize.
Ferovost by podle me nemela byt vysadou jen tech nejkvalitnejsich firem (tam by mela byt samozrejmosti). U tech aerolinek..stejne jako treba u Ceskych mobilnich operatoru, to bohuzel chodi trochu jinak."
3,68118,2020-01-03T10:37:03.079Z,12170,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,68116,anon927244916,anon4241195410,"No, o těch mobilních operátorech, o těch bych se tu ještě s chutí rozepsal, protože zkušenost z Kambodži, kde za 1 dolar pořídíš SIMku a za další dolar máš neomezené volání a neomezený internet (aspoň po dobu tří týdnů, kterou jsme tam strávili) je s Cekem teda ve velkým kontrastu."
1,62603,2019-10-31T05:21:35.515Z,11318,0,11,10,6,0,0,47.2,62603,anon2583775422,anon2583775422,"Zacznę od tego, że jestem bardzo uprzywilejowanym człowiekiem w naszym społeczeństwie: białym mężczyzną w średnim wieku, wychowanym w anon3213561856olickiej rodzinie, heteroseksualnym, mieszkającym w jednym z 5 największych anon1235093333st, z wyższym wykształceniem, dochodami, które pozwalają zabrać rodzinę na wakacje. I staram się być naprawdę wdzięczny za wszystko czego doświadczam i wszystkich których spotykam. Jestem też normalsem i mam zarówno powody do dumy jak i sytuacje za które potrzebuję przepraszać i się z nich uczyć.

Zastanawiałem się w jaki sposób mógłbym dołożyć swoją perspektywę na naszą wspólną rzeczywistość w Polsce. I choć początkowo anon1235093333łem napisać o podziałach, które widzę wszędzie i w które wchodzimy jak w masło. To koniec końców zajmę się czymś bardziej subtelnym i opowiem to  poprzez kilka krótkich epizodów z życia mojego lub najbliższych mi osób.

Nie zawsze jestem ubezpieczony w NFZ. Kiedy jednak jestem mam pokusę skorzystania z usług państwowej służby zdrowia. Nie żeby jakoś od razu ją nadwyrężać. Po prostu, myślę żeby raz na 5 lat zrobić sobie podstawowe badanie i jak mam grypę, a kaszel nie ustępuje, to miewam taki pomysł by mnie ktoś osłuchał i sprawdził czy to nie coś poważnego. Wiec pewnego razu kiedy udałem się do przychodni przyjął mnie Pan doktór, którego obiór i wygląd jakoś mimowolnie skojarzył mi się z dyskusjach o zarobkach w służbie zdrowia.. Nieomal odczuwałem jak się męczy i że należy mu się już mniej lub bardziej zasłużony odpoczynek. Po rutynowych czynnościach orzekł, że to zwykły anon3213561856ar i przepisał mi ketanol. Ketanol? - zapytałem. Tak – to lek przeciwzapalny.

Jakiś czas temu sprzedałem samochód i zdecydowałem, że nowego nie kupię. Od tego czasu poruszam się piechotą, rowerem, komunikacją publiczną. Uberem, samochodami pożyczonymi na minuty i samochodami pożyczonymi od znajomych. Odwiedziłem ostatnio 45tysięczne anon1235093333sto jakich u nas wiele.. Przyjechałem pociągiem. Wysiadłem i próbowałem się zorientować jak dojechać na miejsce wczesnej umówionego spotkania. O 6 rano ludzi na ulicy nie było wielu, szybko jednak ustaliłem że autobus w moim kierunku jeździ co godzinę i 50 min muszę poczekać. Próbowałem zadzwonić po taksówkę, ale żadna z wymienionych w necie firm nie odbierała telefonu. (później dowiedziałem się, że w mieście tym jest 40 taksówek i nie ma żadnego zrzeszenia, czy korporacji. Każdy kierowca działa niezależnie) Po jakimś czasie złapałem jakąś taksówkę, która podjechała akurat na postój. Po spotkaniu, chciałem oszczędzić i poszedłem na pobliski przystanek. Rozkład był zerwany, nikogo w okolicy. Znów zadzwoniłem po taksówkę i tym razem ktoś odebrał.

Innym razem zamarzyłem sobie odwiedzić przyjaciół na południu Polski. Chciałem pojechać z rodziną. Ze względu na prace anon1235093333łem do dyspozycji tylko weekend. Szukałem pociągu który jechał by na południe między 13 a 20. Nie znalazłem nic co kosztowało by mniej niż 450zł za 4 osobową rodzinę (w jedną stronę). Pożyczyliśmy od znajomych samochód i pojechaliśmy autem. Paliwo w dwie strony 210zł.

Ponownie zacząłem chodzić do szkoły podstawowej. Tym razem jest to szkoła mojego dziecka. W pierwszym miesiącu młody otrzymał 7 czy 8 ocen (nie ważne jakich). Niektóre 6 i 7 latki wpadały w histerię otrzymując 5 i 6 -. Posypały się oceny, choć nikt nigdy nie wyjaśnił dzieciom po co one są. Jaka ocena jest za co. Czego się od nich oczekuje. Pomijam całą dyskusję na temat tego, czy oceny faktycznie służą rozwojowi dziecka. Nieśanon1235093333łe próby nawiązania rozmowy z nauczycielem na temat ocen zakończyły się informacją, że od nauczyciela ocen wyanon1547754019 dyrekcja, od dyrekcji kuratorium itd. I tyle.

Jedna z moich bardzo bliskich osób w wieku wczesna-emerytalnym pewnego dnia nie podniosła się z łóżka. Niedowład lewej strony ciała. Dramat. Nagle wszystkie potrzeby trzeba załatwić w łóżku, a jeszcze kilka lat temu chłop był jak tur. Wizyty u lekarzy. Wizyty na SOR (żeby uniknąć kolejek). Sprzeczne diagnozy. Każdy mówi co innego. Odsyła gdzie indziej. Nikt ne bierze odpowiedzialności. Dni mijają. Miesiące mijają. Cała opieka 24godzinna jest na barkach rodziny. W końcu okazuje się że to może jednak powikłanie po dawnej operacji kręgosłupa. Miesiące oczekiwania na nowy zabieg. Niemożliwość dostania się na rehabilitację. A każdy dzień to większe zaniki mięśni, większe ryzyko odleżyn, droga z której co raz trudniej zawrócić. Nie udało się znaleźć lepszego rozwiązania niż prywatny ośrodek opieki z rehabilitacją. Całe szczęście że facet przepracował 40 lat na etacie na stanowiskach kierowniczych i jego emerytura + oszczędności starczy na zapłacenie tej opieki przez jakieś 6-7 miesięcy.

Ponieważ nie mam samochodu, często chodzę po mieście piechotą. Do niedawna z wózkiem dziecięcym. Teraz sam lub z 4 osobową rodziną. Mijam te wszystkie auta zaparkowane na chodnikach, przystankach, tuż przed pasami, na ścieżkach rowerowych. Schodzę czasami na ulicę, bo chodnikiem nie da się iść. Jak już naprawdę ktoś przesadził z tym parkowaniem, a ja mam poryw obywatelskiego obowiązku to dzwonię na straż miejską. Przyjeżdżają zazwyczaj 6 -7 godzin później i albo nie robią nic bo samochód odjechał, albo wlepiają mandat zupełnie innemu kierowcy niż ten który mi utrudniał przejście. Słysze później od znajomych i sąsiadów, którzy płaca mandaty lub odbierają odholowane samochody że na policję i straż dzwonią jacyś konfidenci. Raz poszedłem na spotkanie do lokalnego samorządowca by porozmawiać o parkowaniu w mieście. Usłyszałem, że nic nie zrobi bo zawsze znajdzie się ktoś niezadowolony. Jak chcę coś zaproponować, to mam zrobić konsultację w całej dzielnicy, doprowadzić do porozumienia i przyjść do niego z rozwiązaniem. No nie zrobiłem.

Kiedyś w gronie znajomych zaczęliśmy się zastanawiać po czym wiadomo, że ktoś jest już „dorosły”. Jak głębiej przeanalizowaliśmy swoją sytuacje i sytuację życiowa znajomych, to doszliśmy do wniosku, że jednoznacznym znakiem że jesteś dorosły lub dorosła jest to że masz sprawę w sądzie. Rozwodową, spadkową, biznesową, frankową, ubezpieczeniową jakąkolwiek. W najlepszym wypadku jesteś świadkiem w sprawie znajomych. Więc ja też bywam w sądzie. Sprawa toczy się od roku. I sąd od 4 miesięcy nie jest w stanie powiedzieć, kiedy będzie kolejna rozprawa, ani kiedy będzie w stania zakończyć całe postępowanie. Mam komfort czekania.

I nie zrozumcie mnie źle. Ja nie potrzebuje narzekać. Mam naprawdę wyjątkowo dobrze. Jest kasa na taksówki. Jak potrzebuję to idę do lekarza prywatnie. Najbliżsi, którzy potrzebują opieki są w stanie sami ją sfinansować. Nawet w pracy nikt mnie nie ciśnie.

Zastanawiam się tylko czasami jak sobie radzą osoby, które nie mają tyle szczęścia co ja. I zaczynam wtedy rozumieć, że część z nas potrzebuje jeździć starymi dilami, zatrudniać na czarno opiekunki z Ukrainy, pracować na dwa etaty na umowach śmieciowych i leczyć się lekami z reklamy. I rozumiem dlaczego wolimy dostać tu i teraz 500+ lub 13 emeryturę za cenę przymykania oczu na szwindle władzy i szczucie na innych: obcych, nieheteroseksualnych, lewych. Nawet ja mam poczucie życia w ciągłej niepewności i braku zaufania: czy lekarz umie leczyć i czy mu się zachce, czy pociąg przyjedzie na czas, czy mnie ktoś na ulicy nie zwyzywa, czy nauczyciel w szkole swoimi nieświadomymi komentarzami i działaniami traumatyzuje moje dziecko itd., itd. I zaczynam rozumieć, że część z nas ma wywalone na wybory, podatki, jakość edukacji, służby zdrowia, opieki i transportu. Wiemy, że możemy liczyć tylko na siebie. Na państwo, samorząd, polityków nie ma co liczyć i nie ma sensu inwestować czasu i energii.

Szczęść boże i chwała wielkiej Polsce w wielkiej Europie na jeszcze większej ziemi w olbrzymim kosmosie."
2,68117,2020-01-03T10:36:00.242Z,11318,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,62603,anon3593942245,anon2583775422,"Hej @anon2583775422 - bardzo mi się podoba Twój post, styl, humor, dystans. Jest pewna nieścisłość w tym, co piszesz - bo mówisz, ze skoro sami nie zrobimy, to nikt nie zrobi, ale kiedy anon1235093333łeś szansę zadziałać coś w sprawie dziko parkujących samochodów, nie zdecydowałeś się zadziałać dalej. Dlaczego? Nigdy nie przeprowadzałam konsultacji, więc nie wiem, czy jest to skomplikowane i czasochłonne, ale domyślam się, że tak. Z drugiej strony - może warto byłoby jednak zorganizować małą grupę i rozwiązać ten problem raz na zawsze (efekt nie jest gwarantowany, bo w Polsce kierowcy wciąż mają przewagę, ale szanse są, szczególnie z dobrym argumentem, że wózki i osoby starsze na przykład, potrzebują pełnego dostępu). 

O tym, jak radzą sobie inni, można poczytać w innych historiach - Stażyska @anon413923905 albo @anon4134177127, który zarabia 1500 zł pracując 6 dni w tygodniu, zwykle dłużej, niż 8 godzin... albo takie bardziej dramatyczne historie jak ta, którą napisała @anon2493911774

Nastroje są tak różne, jak podejścia indywidualne - jedni nie narzekają, inni dają radę, chociaż zanon1547754019nia są widoczne gołym okiem. A Ty, jako uprzywilejowany, biały, wyedukowany facet  wymieniłeś kilka kluczowych problemów prześladujących Polskę, szczególnie tą małoanon1235093333steczkową, wciąż nierozwiniętą, wciąż nieskomunikowaną ze światem, w której wszystkie te problemy są jeszcze wyraźniejsze."
1,67262,2019-12-10T14:40:31.513Z,12148,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,67262,anon1391443424,anon1391443424,"Na rektorátu Masarykovy univerzity jsme se setkali se zástupci univerzity (konkrétně s prorektorem Břetislavem Dančákem, kvestorkou Martinou Valešovou, kancléřem Mariánem Kiššem, předsedou SKAS MUNI Tomášem Vargou a tiskouvou mluvčí Terezou Fojtovou). Bavili jsme se mimo jiné o možnosti zapojení se do vytváření nového strategického záměru pro rok 2021-2027. Povedlo se nám vyjednat pozvání na pracovní skupiny, které vytváří jednotlivá tematická zacílení záměru. V koordinaci se zástupci SKAS tak můžeme navrhovat naše stěžejní témata a účastnit se tak vytváření tohoto strategického dokumentu. Aby však tyto aktivity nezůstávaly pouze na papíře, zástupci univerzity se shodli na tom, že vhodnou platformou pro vznik a vyvíjení aktivity směrem k ochraně životního prostředí a udržitelnému rozvoji by mohly být tzv. komise udržitelnosti, které by dle zájmu vznikaly z iniciativy jednotlivých fakultních akademických senátů.

Co z toho plyne pro nás?

Pokuste se na svých fakultách a i mimo MU potkávat se svými senátory a senátorkami ať už z řad studentů nebo i pracovníků a pokuste se je informovat o našich záměrech a aktivitách. Samo se to neudělá."
2,67264,2019-12-10T14:49:19.260Z,12148,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,67262,anon4241195410,anon1391443424,"Díky moc za sdílení aktivistického přístupu studentů a zaměstnanců MUNI.

Na jednání jsem byl taky. Takže můžu sdělit ještě nějaké dojmy.

Když jsem se obracel na pana rektora se zdosti o schůzku, reakce jeho i jeho tajemníka byla velice milá vstřícná.
V podobném, skoro až přátelském duchu se neslo i dnešní jednání. MUNI bere situaci vážně - což dokazuje to, že na setkání doraily těžké váhy.

Výstupy popsala kolegyně VS výše. Ještě bych ty výstupy shrnul cynickým: dovolíme vám pracovat na všem, vznášet vaší agendu Univerzit za klima. Bude cokoliv, co si dokážete prosadit, tzn. vyjednat podporu Akademického senátu nebo Fakult."
3,68114,2020-01-03T10:29:44.177Z,12148,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,67262,anon4241195410,anon1391443424,"Ahoj všem,

Nechtěl bych, aby tento příspěvek tady takhle zapadnul. Chtěl bych tu znovu nadhodit, že Univerzity za klima podle mě znamenají - tak jako Otevřené Brno - vzedmutí občanské společnosti. To je podle mě jedna z věcí, kterou Cesko (i Brno) dost potřebuje."
1,64383,2019-11-16T19:05:00.434Z,11593,0,12,11,2,0,0,14.4,64383,anon2895132083,anon2895132083,"Ahoj,

hacanon3213561856hon, který proběhl minulý víkend byl super a inspirující. 
Co všechno se dá zvládnout za den a půl, když se sejdou podobně naladění lidé."
2,67245,2019-12-10T12:01:31.863Z,11593,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,64383,anon4241195410,anon2895132083,"Vojto, 
Diky za info. Jsem rad, ze sis vikend na Hacanon3213561856honu uzil a ze z toho vzesla i nejaka prace.
Snad se brzy uvidime na nejake dalsi akci."
3,68112,2020-01-03T10:23:28.824Z,11593,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64383,anon4241195410,anon2895132083,"Nazdar Vojto,
Rikal jsem si, jestli bys nechtel na foru sdilet neco vic ze sveho studijniho/profesniho zivota?
Mels, pokud si pamatuju docela zajimavou drahu."
1,66518,2019-12-01T12:09:28.616Z,12059,0,10,9,8,0,0,102.0,66518,anon3760934795,anon3760934795,"Na Hacanon3213561856honu se naše skupinka sešla na základě pocitu frustrace z nezájmu úřadů i většinové společnosti, která zavírá oči před hrozivou bytovou situaci mnoha skupin obyvatel včele s těmi nejzranitelnejsimi: seniory, Romy, mladými lidmi, samoživitelkami a lidmi se sociálním nebo jiným znevýhodněním. Už nás nebaví jen nečinně pozorovat, jak se lidé a celé rodiny brodí v kolotoči útrap spojených s nedostupností bydlení a všeho dalšího, co na to navazuje.

Na samotném Hacanon3213561856honu jsme si tedy lámaly hlavu s tím, jak nabourat veřejný diskurz ohledně bydlení, přemrštěných nájmů, luxusních bytů a bezdomovectví. Rozhodli jsme se pro AKCI! Prostřednictvím umělecké instalace chceme zasáhnout do veřejného prostoru, nabourat myšlení lidí a vyvolat debatu ohledně situace s bydlením v naší zemi.

Toto vlákno bude sloužit hlavně k tomu, aby semčlenky a členové pracovní skupinky mohly-i vkládat info o post-hacanon3213561856honovych krocích v otázce projektu Zásah!"
2,67167,2019-12-09T07:00:52.750Z,12059,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,66518,anon4241195410,anon3760934795,"Myslím, že jste tehdy zmiňovaly i to, kolik času lidé musí strávit v praci...aby si vydělali na svá více či méně luxusní obydlí. Ten čas jim pak chybí ve vztahu s rodinou, s přáteli nebo se sebou samym:( situace je smutná a já si myslím, že je způsobena hlavně nějakým celospolečenským nastavením mysli...kde úplně všechno je vyjádřeno jen a jen v penězích. Včetně lidského štěstí nebo neštěstí. 
Jak z toho ven, že ano?"
3,68110,2020-01-03T10:20:10.716Z,12059,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,66518,anon4241195410,anon3760934795,"Ahoj Apol,
Jak jste na tom, nějak jste pokročilý v přípravách vašeho Zásahu do veřejného prostoru?
Jinak visím ti 250Kč za pivka :)"
1,66797,2019-12-03T15:32:55.894Z,12094,0,9,8,4,0,0,66.8,66797,anon3427716523,anon3427716523,"anon4110936133 Zálešák zpovídá kamaráda Hanse Priessnitze

2.10.2019

Otázky:

**1. Nepotkáváme se tak často, sleduju Tě spíš na Facebooku. Ale všiml jsem si že za poslední roky jsi vyzkoušel spoustu nových věcí. Komunální politiku, dobrovolné vojenské cvičení a teď hlavně enviro aktivismus. Je to trochu tak, že nevíš co bys? :)**

Ahoj Honzo :).

Jo a ne. Můj aktivismus obecně vychází z principu, že se snažím dělat věci, které mají smysl. A pokud mají (to si posoudím sám), pak se dokážu hodně pro danou aktivitu nadchnout a věnovat tomu spoustu energie. A k tomu “jo”, že “nevím co bych” se týká spíše mého profesního zakotvení, resp. neukotvení. Vystudoval jsem obor, kterým jsem se po škole ale nikdy neživil, takže dodnes, na stará kolena “se hledám”; kam a kde napřít své silné stránky, můj potenciál a energii tak, aby mne práce naplňovala, uživila a zároveň to bylo potřebné pro ostatní. Tuším, že Japonci pro to mají výraz IKIGAI, tedy kombinace 4 podmínek, kdy bude člověk v práci nejvíce spokojen. První - být v tom co dělám dobrý. Druhá - aby to člověk miloval, to co dělá. Třetí - aby to bylo něco, co svět potřebuje a čtvrtá - uvádím ji až jako poslední, ha ha (to odpovídá mému mindsetu), tedy, aby to člověka uživilo.

Ještě Tě opravím, komunální politiku jsem zatím nedělal seriózně, jen se trochu angažuji při demonstracích za nezávislé soudy, proti Andreji Babišovi, pro klima apod. Nebo si měl možná na mysli moje poslední zaměstnání - referent rodinné politiky, které bylo na úřadu jedné městské části v Brně.

**2. Wow, jsme na tom s tou prací hodně podobně :). Už víš, kterým směrem se chceš profesně vydat? Jinak, co jsi vlastně vystudoval? Čím se živíš teď, jsi na volné noze?**

Vystudoval jsem ekotoxikologii na Přírodovědecké fakultě, ale už tam jsem zjistil, že je to pro mě špatně. Pak jsem ještě zkoušel doktorát, jeden rok akorát. No a pak jsem pracoval všude možně. Buď jsem se krátkodobě nadchl v nějakém konkrétním oboru, třeba školství a vzdělávání, kde to vyvrcholilo prací v lesní mateřské školce nebo jsem to k sobě nechal připlout osudem, jako má poslední práce referenta rodinné politiky na MČ Brno-sever. No, anebo jsem odpověděl na inzerát na vývěsce univerzity, kde jsem nakonec pracoval jako operátor Helpdesku na Institutu biostatistiky a analýz. V podstatě jen v té lesní mateřské školce jsem šel své zálibě nebo řekněme oblasti zájmu naproti. Neustále se tedy ocitám na startu a své silné stránky, které bych mohl dobře prodat postupně objevuji.

**3. A co to podle tebe je? v čem jsi dobrý?**

Práce s lidmi, nějaké síťování, organizování akcí. Rád bych si zkusil práci event managera nebo projektového managera. Mým snem je propojovat lidi. Na všech možných úrovních, protože mně to dává smysl. A kor v dnešní době je to potřeba, a dělat to nějakým přívětivým způsobem pro lidi by mě dávalo velký smysl. Teď mám něco nachystaného s Pavlem Rotterem, tak doufám, že to dotáhnu do konce.

**4. Máš s tím problém - dotahovat do konce?**

To ne, spoustu věcí jsem dotáhl. Ale ne vždycky, ne všechno. Obzvlášť co se týče toho, když se to týká nějakého byznys záměru nebo mám-li si říct o peníze. Nevím, tam mám možná nějaký blok nebo nějaký strachy, které jsem někde získal, posbíral v životě.

Nejradši bych měl svoji firmu. A mohl si dělat, co chci. Být svým pánem. Ačkoliv je mi jasné, že s tím souvisí velká zodpovědnost, možná nejistota, což ale zase může být jen špatný mindset. Každopádně se mi na tom líbí, že pak v určitý moment můžeš nabalovat i věci, které spolu nesouvisí. Když to přeženu, tak když někdo dělá střechy a troufne si, tak si může otevřít kavárnu, když na to přijde. Jen mít vstupní kapitál a nápad. A nápady, ty já mám.

**5. A v čem zhruba chceš podnianon3213561856? Nebo co máte nachystané?**

Pomáhat některým lidem, co tak snadno nenavazují kontakty, je navázat. Třeba chodí do společnosti, do kina, ale neseznámí se. Takže na naší akci se prostřednictvím dobře připraveného programu, poznají trochu víc.

**6. To si rád počkám. Teď odjinud. Viděl jsem, že jsi byl teď v Praze na rebelii od Extinction Rebellion. Jestli můžeš říct nějaké svoje dojmy. Prý se policajti chovali super. Ale co lidi, co stáli v té koloně?**

Vezmu to popořadě. Metodika, jak udělat takovou blokádu, je velmi propracovaná a kopíruje tu z Londýna. Všichni účastníci blokády se sestávají z menších akčních skupin, ve kterých si určí různé role. Velká blokáda se pak lépe zvládá zevnitř, je-li organizovaná takto. Bohužel v momentě, kdy blokáda vypukla (bylo to tajné a ani účastníci nevěděli čas a místo), tak jsem se zbavoval nože z batohu (jsem skaut). A tak jsem si nestihl s ostatními lehnout na silnici :D. Řekněme zkrátka, že jsem měl trable sám se sebou, a tak jsem pořádně nestíhal vnímat, co dělají řidiči. Nicméně můj kamarád to viděl více méně od začátku a říkal, že tam pár naštvaných řidičů bylo. Každopádně dva vysoce postavení lidé z Extinction Rebellion iniciovali několik dní před akcí jednání s policií, aby se vzájemně informovali. Takže policie byla předem informována. Celkem v pohodě mohla odhadnout jak a kde to zablokujeme. Proto, když to vypuklo, tak poměrně rychle dopravu přesměrovali jinudy. Takže to nebylo tak, že by celá magistrála nonstop stála. I tím, že o tom policisté věděli dopředu, tak nebyli tak ve stresu, byli velmi klidní a i díky tomu nebyl ani z jedné strany žádný důvod k agresivitě. Všichni se chovali profesionálně, někteří byli vyloženě vlídní nebo s námi i sympatizovali.

**7. Jak na to reaguje tvoje bezprostřední okolí: kámoši a lidi na sociálních sítích? Na to že jsi tam byl?**

No myslím si, že se najdou lidi ve všech anon3213561856egoriích. Někteří to chápu, někteří to i podporují. Ale najdou se pochybovači, odpůrci nebo někomu to přijde zbytečné. A s některými lidmi na facebooku vedu věčně spory a diskuze.

Co asi nejvíc lidem leží v žaludku, je ta forma - že to jde skrze nějaké naštvání - třeba řidičů, pokud se týká těch blokád. Takže panují obavy, že se Extinction Rebellion (XR) stane v očích těchto lidí dalšími ekoteroristy. Ale až tak se nebojím, protože si myslím, že to, co se sděluje je celkem jednoznačné a přehledné. A myslím si (ale nechci to přivolávat), že každým dalším rokem bude sucho čím dál horší a frustrace lidí z toho bude čím dál horší. A projevy sucha budou čím dál viditelnější a to všechno povede k tomu, že čím dál víc lidí bude mít vlastní potřebu něco dělat.

Extinction Rebellion říká jenom jednu jedinou věc: třídit plasty a nelétat nestačí. Že bez skutečně účinných opatření celých států, tedy na úrovni vlád a korporátů se globální snížení emisí CO2 neobejde. Osobní změna každého jednotlivce je důležitá, ale teď už není čas čeanon3213561856 na tuto změnu, která je možná i na několik dalších desítek let. Je potřeba redukovat ty největší znečišťovatele a ty největší zdroje CO2. Proto je snahou vyvolat kolem tématu velký humbuk, aby se to stalo velkým celonárodním tématem a aby se to diskutovalo. A přimět stát, aby vyhlásil stav klimatické nouze - což není samotné prohlášení - ale zároveň by na to měly navazovat velmi konkrétní opatření, resp. veškerá další rozhodnutí by měla z tohoto stavu vycházet nebo ho zohledňovat. Můžete si to představit jako válečný stav nebo mobilizaci. K tomu, aby byl tento stav klimatické nouze vyhlášen je prostě potřeba se dostat do médií a proto ta mediální pozornost.

**8. No asi méně kontroverzní téma je vaše organizace Větvení. Sázíte stromy, tam se asi nedá očekávat, že se na vás někdo naštve… To je taková pěkná činnost, to by vás pochválil i Babiš :). Nebo potkáváte se s něčím takovým, že by vám lidi nepřáli?**

Ne, je to přesně, jak říkáš. Máme fajn podporovatele. Všichni fandí. Celkem není až zas takový problém sehnat třeba peníze. My stojíme na drobných dárcích. Nemáme zatím žádné granty ani velké sponzory. A tímto způsobem, v současném množství výsadeb za rok nám to funguje. Lidé nás v podstatě jen podporují. V kontrastu s Extinction Rebellion jsme na tom lépe. Ale až se XR podaří prosadit stav klimatické nouze nebo i další věci, tak to skokově posune celou agendu a našich pár set stromů oproti tomu budou poměrně zanedbatelné. Je skvělé sázet stromy. Je to potřeba moc, ale samo o sobě to klima nezmění. Je potřeba pracovat i na jiných frontách a je nutné, aby se do toho zapojil i stát nebo řekněme lépe než dosud."
2,67166,2019-12-09T06:55:39.440Z,12094,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,66797,anon4241195410,anon3427716523,"Díky, Hansi, za příspěvek. Mám z něj radost, protože mi přijde, že jsme se dotkli spousty zajímavých témat. Cemu bychom se měli věnovat v zivote...jake k tomu máme dispozice...jake překážky.
Doufám, že se ti podaří vymyslet a zrealizovat nějaký ten podnianon3213561856elsy nápad a sám nebo s parťáky tomu vdechneš život. 
Máš nějaké progresy? Držím ti palce v tomhle a samozřejmě i v ekologickém aktivismu. Ale tam jsme skoro kolegové:)"
3,68109,2020-01-03T10:17:27.530Z,12094,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,66797,anon927244916,anon3427716523,"ahoj Hansi,
Musím říct, že jsem velký automobilista a blokování dopravních tepen mi vadí:)
Ale jsem rd, že jsem si tu mohl něco přečíst o vašich motivacích."
1,67132,2019-12-07T21:17:45.111Z,12137,0,9,8,3,0,0,46.8,67132,anon1575494417,anon1575494417,"Ahoj,

na Hacanon3213561856honu v Brně jsme se společně s dalšími účastnicemi rozhodly navrhnout projekt, který by upozornil na tísnivou situaci s bydlením a vyburcoval lidi k aktivitě. Všímáme si totiž okolo sebe, že se většina lidí spokojí s tím, že to zatím jakž takž zvládá, a nemá nyní potřebu, chuť či dostatek informací a jiných prostředků, aby se mohli pustit do řešení tohoto naléhavého stavu. Naším cílem je zprostředkovat zkušenosti běžných lidí v nelehké situaci s bydlením širší veřejnosti a povzbudit ji v kritice současného nastavení.

Naplánovaly jsme proto uměleckou instalaci, pomocí níž chceme zasáhnout do veřejného prostoru, nabourat myšlení lidí a vyvolat debatu ohledně situace s bydlením v naší zemi."
2,67159,2019-12-08T19:56:49.515Z,12137,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,67132,anon4241195410,anon1575494417,"Ahoj Lucko,
Děkuju za sdílení toho, proč jste se rozhodly právě pro takovýto druh projektu.
Doufám, že se budu moct na instalaci přijít podívat!
Kdybyste potřebovaly třeba poradit s nějakýma fondama, tak se ozvete...mohl bych vás tu s někým propojit. @anon"
3,68108,2020-01-03T10:14:09.821Z,12137,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,67132,anon927244916,anon1575494417,"Uz se tesim i na dalsi prispevek z vaseho projektu, ktery pise Klarka. Zminuje tam Foods not Bombs i dalsi aktivity ostravske skupinky. 
Stay tuned!!! :)"
1,66924,2019-12-04T19:59:36.393Z,12108,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,66924,anon1639608013,anon1639608013,"Prvně bych chtěla povzbudit všechny, kteří cítí, že balancovat pracovní, studijní život a nedejbože ještě nějaké angažmá ve veřejných věcech není vždycky snadné. Chtěla bych všem připomenout, že cítit se přehlceně a na chvíli zvolnit je v pohodě. A že je to dokonce klíčové k tomu, aby člověk zvládal to, co dělá, dělat dlouhodobě.

Sama studuji magistersky kulturní antropologii a sociologii v denní formě v jednom městě, pracuji na plný úvazek v neziskovce v jiném městě a potřebu zasahovat do veřejného prostoru ještě nějakým dalším způsobem si vybíjím v Mladých zelených - českého kolektivu mladých lidí s napojením na evropské Young Greens struktury. A právě tenhle kolektiv a lidé v něm mě naučili, že environmentální tématika a tématika sociálna či lidských práv je nejenom propojená, ale musí být diskutována společně.

Téměř všechny aspekty krize klimatu: nedostatek pitné vody, nedostupnost potravin nebo devastace některých krajinných oblastí tím nejužším způsobem souvisí se světovým rozdělením kapitálu a svobodou (či v případě klimatické migrace přímo nutností) pohybu. A opačným směrem - příslušnost k určité sociální vrstvě nebo geografické poloze má důsledky i v oblasti environmentální: hůře se za klimaticky spravedlivější svět bojuje člověku, který řeší bezprostřední materiální nouzi.

Spojení těchto dvou témat se snažíme tlačit do veřejného diskurzu. Formou promítání tematických filmů, panelových diskuzí, debat, hacanon3213561856honů. I když je někdy těžké vybalancovat organizaci akcí pro veřejnost s osobním životem každé členky i člena, víme, že co děláme, má smysl – na téměř každé schůzce nám přibyde nová členka či člen, která se k nám chce přidat. Budťe s námi také a držte nám pěsti!"
2,66948,2019-12-05T06:52:28.102Z,12108,0,6,5,2,0,0,26.2,66924,anon4241195410,anon1639608013,"Majdo, skvelej text, díky moc za sdílení. Předně jsem moc rád, že jsem tebe i @anon4051650106 mohl poznat na hacanon3213561856honu (jakož i ostatní samozřejmě). Když to vezmu z vlastního pohledu, mám strašnou radost z toho, když se můžu napojovat na další podobně smýšlející lidi. Snad se nacházíme v době nějakého procitnutí - a velkou zásluhu na tom má generace mladých lidí. Držme si palce za lepší svět."
3,68107,2020-01-03T10:10:40.503Z,12108,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,66924,anon3177138536,anon1639608013,"Musím říct, že moje politika orientace směřuje jiným směrem. Vždycky jsem volil ODS. Ale každopádně tleskám a cením si vašich občanských aktivit. Jakožto mladí lidé, jste nadějí do budoucna. 
Takže pěstí vám určitě držím."
1,67002,2019-12-05T14:45:38.313Z,12122,0,6,5,62,0,0,313.2,67002,anon4150512643,anon4150512643,"<image here> 
 

Bílý dům chátrá, i když je důležitým místem v centru Brna, kam se chodíme vzdělávat, léčit, setkávat a bavit. Tolik funkcí ústrojně spojených v jediné stavbě v našem městě jinde nenajdeme.

Bílý dům je v ohrožení, i když je architektonicky významnou stavbou z druhé poloviny 20. století. Jeho vlastník si neví rady, jak naložit s tímto objektem v havarijním stavu, jehož případná rekonstrukce by spolykala spoustu peněz.Tím vlastníkem je město Brno, které chce této zátěže zbavit prodejem.

Je víc než pravděpodobné, že se jeho nový majitel nebude snažit zachovat původní architektonický ráz budovy a že zde vyroste nová architektura s novým využitím. A nelze očekávat, že by kdy mohlo mít tak široké veřejné uplatnění jako má nyní.

Dá se namítnout, že názory na historickou a urbanistickou hodnotu Bílého domu nejsou jen pozitivní, pro některé obyvatele je totiž neblahou připomínkou na komunistický režim za normalizace, neboť v něm v 70. a 80. letech sídlil Městský výbor KSČ. Bývá také kritizován jako necitlivý zásah do užšího centra města, kde byl “vtlačen” za budovu Červeného kostela jako ideologicky konkurenční dominanta ulice Husovy, tj. brněnského bulváru z 19. století.

Odborné názory se ale vyslovují opačně: jedná se o nadčasovou stavbu navazující na principy funkcionalistické architektury dle Le Corbusiera. Moderní železobetonový montovaný skelet dovolil využití zavěšené fasády, která je tvořena okny s antireflexním pokovením v lehkých hliníkových rámech. Skleněný plášť centrální hmoty jemně odráží okolí a společně s bílým mozaikovým obložením respektuje okolní historizující zástavbu. Ani pohledová osa z ulice Husovy není hmotou Bílého domu nijak nabourávána.

Přidávají se i další hlasy upozorňující na jeho architektonickou i společenskou hodnotu: objekt se dostal na respektovanou mapu Brněnského architektonického manuálu, existuje petice za jeho zpamátnění, vznikly umělecké intervence upozorňující na jeho ohrožení.

Jak se ale k celému problému postavit co možná objektivně a kompetentně? Nepodléhat retrosentimentu, nenutit město zakonzervovat stavbu, která nevyhovuje dnešním nárokům? Nevzdávat se současně veřejného majetku, který veřejným účelům jednoznačně dobře slouží?

Existuje řešení a vcelku jednoduché. Město Brno si spolu s Vídní nechalo vypracovat metodiku památkové ochrany poválečných staveb, která může pomoci jasně definovat, co je z hlediska architektonické formy, technologie a historie na stavbách vzniklých v druhé polovině 20. století jedinečné. Ve Vídni ji běžně využívají, v Brně na ni nějak pozapomněli.

Tento nevyužívaný nástroj nabízí argumenty, co přesně je na ohrožených stavbách poválečné moderny hodnotné a které z nich a proč by měly či neměly zůstat zachovány. Díky této metodice jsme současně schopni se vyvarovat sentimentálních dohadů o hodnotě architektury 2. pol. 20. století. Pojďme se rozhodovat o podobě města na základě expertních, ověřených a funkčních nástrojů.

Marika Kupková a Barbora Benčíková"
2,67003,2019-12-05T14:58:01.144Z,12122,0,4,3,1,0,0,50.8,67002,anon4241195410,anon4150512643,"Díky Dalibore, za sdílení tohoto zamyšlení a výzvy, které jste vytvořili s @anon
Jako doplnění a upřesnění pro zbytek komunity bych dodal, že s Daliborem, Marikou a dalšími aktivními lidmi jsme součástí nového občanského hnutí Otevřeně Brno. Víc info zde:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/v-brne-vznikl-novy-obcansky-spolek-pridejte-se/11692/2

S Otevřeným Brnem jsme aktivní na několika polích:
My s @anon4150512643 například se soustředíme hlavně na životní prostředí, další lidé na kulturu, jiní na dopravu, sociální oblast."
3,68106,2020-01-03T10:04:44.874Z,12122,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,67002,anon3177138536,anon4150512643,"Ahoj, 
O Bílém domě a jeho osudu se diskutuje už několik dekád a zatím teda kde nic, tu nic. 
Tak jako od jiných projektů pod palcem města se dá o tohoto ""projektu"", respektive od města očekávat predvsim apatie.
No, doufám, že se pletu. Dejte vědět, jestli se někam pohneme. Nazdar!"
1,65971,2019-11-27T05:45:43.915Z,11949,0,12,11,4,0,0,37.4,65971,anon2895132083,anon2895132083,"Tohle vlákno slouží k tomu, aby sem členové pracovní skupinky 
@anon4150512643 @anon2895132083 a @anon4051650106
 mohli vkládat info o post-hacanon3213561856honovych krocích v otazce Kampaně.

- chceme:
Dostat do volební kampaně Dostupné bydlení a sociální bydlení.
Skrz videa a obrazové materiály chceme nabádat mladé lidi a studenty, aby využili svého práva prihlašovali si trvalé/prechodné bydlište do Brna. budou pak moci ve volbách rozhodovat o dění ve městě.

Dále chceme vymyslet (a v podstatě jsme vymysleli a navrhli), jakym zpusobem lze zlepšit a zpruhlednit systém pridělování městskych bytu. Tzn. zavést jednotny a transparentní postup pro pridělování městskych bytu jednotlivymi městskymi částmi. 
A navrhli jsme náčrtek grafické podoby volebních videí a plakátu."
2,66589,2019-12-02T10:18:31.266Z,11949,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,65971,anon4241195410,anon2895132083,"ahoj kluci - spolupracovnici. dnes se uvidim s dalsimi zastupci spolku Otevrene Brno - a budu se vyptavat, jak se jim libi nami navrhovana Kampañ!"
3,68105,2020-01-03T09:58:05.982Z,11949,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,65971,anon4241195410,anon2895132083,"panove, zatim, zadne nove info. ale na konci ledna bude clanska schuze Otevreneho Brna.
sleduju taky pracovni skupinu v ramci Otevreneho Brna, ktera se venuje socilani tematice.
Nastesti mame vsechno nafocene, tak se nase napady nikde neztrati :)"
1,64493,2019-11-18T11:57:59.970Z,11608,0,8,7,3,0,0,31.6,64493,anon1139497459,anon1139497459,"Panelová debata byla velmi příjemným setkáním, na kterém jsme si my panelistky a panelisté a snad i přítomné publikum, mohli prohloubit své znalosti o tématu dostupnosti bydlení. Trochu jsem tušila, že jedu z Prahy do Brna do jakési ""názorové bubliny"", ale i když to byla bublina, je důležité posilovat i ji a jít trochu víc do hloubky než jen hodiny vykomunikovávat, jestli je bydlení právo nebo ne. V době krize bydlení bychom si totiž již neměli dovolit neustále v diskuzích chodit kolem ""horké kaše"", ale naopak mluvit konkrétně o tématu dlouhodobého neřešení nedostupnosti bydlení nejen v Brně a Praze, ale vlivem diskriminace či financializace již téměř v každém městě nejen České republiky."
2,64506,2019-11-18T13:00:19.119Z,11608,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,64493,anon4241195410,anon1139497459,"byly/i jste krasni!<image here> 
 

dekujeme jeste jednou za vase vhledy a postrehy. debata nas vsechny nabila energii pro cely vikend."
3,68104,2020-01-03T09:52:57.594Z,11608,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,64493,anon927244916,anon1139497459,"za mě opravdu super debata, byly/i jste skvele/i... velké díky patří všem, je taky super, že sichni panelisti přijeli na diskuzi z Prahy, Bratislavy, Vidne...velky palec nahoru!"
1,64389,2019-11-17T08:50:48.391Z,11595,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,64389,anon4051650106,anon4051650106,"Ahoj, minulý víkend jsem se v Brně zúčastnil Hacanon3213561856honu který pořádali brněnští Mladí zelení a Edge Ryders. K mému velkému překvapení vzniklo za necelé 3 dny hned několik slibných projektů tematizujících bydlení z mnoha úhlů o jejichž výsledcích doufám ještě uslyším a na které se budu moc těšit."
2,64453,2019-11-18T08:14:14.682Z,11595,0,7,6,1,0,0,36.4,64389,anon4241195410,anon4051650106,"Ano, tady s @anon4051650106, @anon4150512643 a @anon2895132083 jsme spolecne tlacili projekt, ktery by se dal smysluplne nazvat, takto:

😮🤓JE TO KAMPAAAAŇ!🤓😮
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Na Hacanon3213561856honu se nám zorganizovala skupinka, která si vytyčila za cíl načrtnout kampaň prosazující dostupné bydlení pro všechny. 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♂️🏘

Aby se studenti přihlásili o svá práva ve společnosti, aby vznikla solidarita mezi pracujícími a důchodci a abychom KONEČNĚ přijali metodiku Housing First, která ušetří peníze i životy. ❤️

Chcete vidět tuhle kampaň v akci? Sledujte bedlivě Brno!"
3,68102,2020-01-03T09:45:24.105Z,11595,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,64389,anon927244916,anon4051650106,"no kuci, su zvědavý, jestli něco z těch vašich malůvek a nápadů někdy spatří světlo světa :))"
1,57512,2019-08-02T20:06:15.754Z,10467,0,11,10,2,0,0,27.2,57512,anon4134177127,anon4134177127,"Mój ojciec był mistrzem piekarskim. Pomieszkiwaliśmy tam, gdzie anon1235093333ł pracę, a od 1975 roku – od 4 roku życia - mieszkam cały czas w tym samym anon1235093333steczku. Skończyłem tu szkołę podstawową. Potem chodziłem dwa lata do technikum rybackiego, ale inne rzeczy mnie interesowały i nie udało się... Wagary, te sprawy, wyjazdy. Po prostu szkoła mnie nie interesowała. Pracuję od 1989 roku. Pierwsza praca była w piekarni GS (przyp.: gminna spółdzielnia) 20 km od domu. Sam uczyłem się piec. Pracowałem z tatą, ale po wojsku wróciłem tutaj. Byłem w wojsku 535 dni dokładnie. To była obowiązkowa służba. Nie dało rady się wymigać, ale nie narzekam. Byłem w plutonie wartowniczym. Jeździło się do lasu na warty. Cisza, spokój, tak jak tutaj teraz. I tak zleciało 1,5 roku. Mam 20 lat legalnej pracy na 48 lat mojego życia. Trochę tam było i na czarno. Dwa razy byłem na truskawkach w Niemczech. Byłem trochę pod Warszawą na betonach, ale to jest taki krótki epizod. 

Zostaliśmy z mamą tylko we dwoje, a kobieta jest już wiekowa. Jak ktoś jest w domu, to zawsze inaczej. Dlatego stąd nie wyjechałem. Miałem 42 lata jak tata zmarł. Mama ma najniższą emeryturkę, tj.: niewiele ponad 800 zł na rękę. I tyle co ja dołożę – najniższą – 1 500 zł. Zawsze zarabiałem tak samo. W GS pracowałem na trzy zanon1235093333ny po osiem godzin. Tutaj – 18 godzin zaliczyłem ostatnio. Różnie pracuję. U mnie nie ma tak, że 10 godzin zawsze. To zależy od zamówienia. Teraz są wakacje. Nie biorą szkoły. Nie biorą drożdżówek, nie biorą bułek. To już odchodzi. Pracuję sześć dni w tygodniu, jak nie ma żadnych świąt. Nie mam codziennie 18 godzin, ale na Boże Ciało była kumulacja i 18 godzin zaliczyłem. Średnio pracuję 10 godzin maksymalnie. Najczęściej pracuję od południa do 22:00. Dostaję dodatkowe wynagrodzenie za nadgodziny i święta. Różnie, ale zawsze jakaś promocja jest. Nie da się tego przeliczyć na godzinę. GS był państwowy, a teraz pracuję u prywaciarza. Nie wiem czy jest gorzej czy lepiej... Wcześniej pracowałem 8 godzin, do domciu i nic cię nie obchodziło. Następna zanon1235093333na. A teraz nie ma ludzi do pracy. Kolega mówił, że w województwie jest 3 000 piekarni i w każdej można znaleźć pracę. Nie ma chętnych do tego. Czasami wykorzystuję urlop w roku, ale nie zawsze, i nie cały, bo nie ma ludzi po prostu. Ekwiwalent finansowy dostaję za niewykorzystany urlop. Był ostatnio człowiek, który potrafi pracować na piekarni, to sobie odpocząłem. Jestem jednocześnie zarejestrowany w urzędzie jako bezrobotny. Nie narzekam na wynagrodzenie. Nie za wiele się da z tego odłożyć. W życiu byłem osiem dni na zwolnieniu. Chodziłem czasem przeziębiony do pracy. Ciężkich chorób nie przechodziłem. 

Mieszkam z mamą, ale mam syna. Nigdy nie płaciłem alimentów. Nie dokładam się do utrzymania, bo syn jest pełnoletni, 20-latek. Pracuje. Wcześniej się dokładałem bez żadnego sądu. Nie wiem czy K. korzystała z pomocy społecznej, bo rozstaliśmy się wiele lat temu. Kontakt utrzymywaliśmy, ale na takie tematy nie rozmawialiśmy. 

Nie byłoby mi łatwo zmienić pracę. Całe życie jestem piekarzem. W moim wieku się przebranżowić ciężko by było. Nigdy o tym nie myślałem ani nie dostawałem takich ofert. Teraz też ich nie dostaję w urzędzie. 

Nie chodzę do lekarza. Mamuśka korzysta z opieki zdrowotnej publicznej, a  ostatnio skorzystała z prywatnej – zrobiła sobie okulary. Nie na NFZ, bo termin wizyty mógł być najbliżej w grudniu.

Jestem wierzący. Nie chodzę do kościoła. Wierzę w coś, pomodlić to się mogę i w domu, jak chcę. Po co mi potrzebny jakiś odłam...? Nie jestem antyklerykalny, chociaż przesadzają troszeczkę księża. Znam paru fajnych księży. Szczególnie ci biskupowie, nie wiem jak to określić... Tacy naburmuszeni, nic nie można im powiedzieć. Znam takiego księdza co porozmawia, przybije piątkę, zażartuje. A ci wychuchani stoją w tych togach, i tego nie lubię. W coś trzeba wierzyć. Może coś tam jest, a jak nie ma, to nie ma. To będzie ciemność. I tyle. Złym człowiekiem nie jestem, ale może coś jest, może ktoś stworzył co widzimy. Nie ma tak, że jak trwoga, to do boga. Codziennie się modlę. W życiu ważni są dla mnie przyjaciele, rodzina. Dobrzy ludzie w ogóle. To jest dla mnie ważne. Cieszę się jak spotykam dobrych ludzi, przyjaznych itd. Chciałbym, żeby wszystkim było dobrze, żeby cieszyli się tym światem, tą przyrodą, którą kocham. To jest dla mnie ważne. Nie pieniądze Żeby po prostu być dla siebie człowiekiem. To jest dla mnie ważne... Teraz nie jest dobrze. Jest kupa plugastwa i takich innych rzeczy aż jad tryska czasami od ludzi. To mi się nie podoba. Czasami ten jad odczuwam. Ludzie plują na siebie, nie wiadomo o co. Tacy jesteśmy. Człowiek ma to tak w naturze. Zwierzę to rozumie. Atakuje, bo jest głoodne, a człowiek atakuje drugiego, bo chce. To wszystko jest w naszych głowach. To możemy zmienić tylko. Każdy powinien zacząć od siebie. 

Nie byłem nigdy w życiu na żadnych wyborach, bo jak sobie własnymi rękami nie wygarnę parę groszy, to żadna opcja polityczna mi nie da - jaka by nie była. Nie czuję, że coś się zmienia, jak zmienia się partia. Jak było, tak jest i nic się nie zmieni. Jeszcze jak pożyję parę lat, to ktoś za 500 plus będzie musiał zapłacić. Czyli ja między innymi. Dać to nie sztuka. Pieniądz musi mieć pokrycie. Skądś trzeba go wziąć. Ktoś go musi wypracować. A teraz nie ma ludzi do pracy. Dużo wyjechało za granicę i oni też troszeczkę napędzają tę koniunkturę. Przyjadą na święta... Tak ten kraj funkcjonuje. Kiedyś w końcu padnie. Będziemy jak Argentyna kiedyś, jak Stany Zjednoczone w 30. latach. No dobra, anon681684766 dostała trzynastkę do emerytury za tyle przepracowanych lat. To tona węgla. Politycy nic nie zmienią, bo myślą tylko o sobie, a nie o kimś. Nie ma dobrych wujków. Aby ich wybrać... Co zrobić żeby było dobrze? Po prostu być ludźmi dla siebie. Ja mu zawsze pomogę, a on mi. Jestem anarchistą. To wszystko przesadzone – bezwład, chaos – jak w słowniku pisze. Chcę dobrze dla ludzi. Żeby każdemu człowiekowi na tym świecie było jak najlepiej. To jest dla mnie anarchizm. Ja nie mam żadnego problemu. Nawet jak leczyłem syna po wypadku, to w szpitalu pielęgniarka poduszeczkę mi przyniosła, kocyk, „tu może pan spać”, bo siedziałem na korytarzu w fotelu. Sama to zrobiła, z dobrej duszy."
2,68099,2020-01-03T09:32:02.933Z,10467,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,57512,anon3593942245,anon4134177127,"cześć, anon4134177127u! Jesteś już kolejną osobą na naszej platformie, której szczerość i niskie wyanon1547754019nia naprawdę mnie poruszają (właśnie skończyłam lekturę tekstu innej bohaterki, @anon1442549864, która też nie narzeka, chociaż do prawdziwej wygody jest jej daleko). Nie narzekasz na nadanon1235093333r pracy i niewystarczające wynagrodzenie. Chociaż obserwując to z daleka (wyjechałam dawno temu, dość dobrze zarabiam, jeżdżę na wakacje) - myślę, że minimalna płaca powinna być znacząco podniesiona. W Polsce nie jest tanio, nawet zakupy są droższe, niż na przykład w Berlinie (masło - u nas 1.3 eur!, czyli 1/10 godzinnej stawki, wiadomo, jak jest w Polsce, a przecież mleczarni - przynajmniej tak to pamiętam - było u nas mnóstwo i wspaniałych produktów, niedrogich, masa). 

Ale ciekawi mnie ta anarchia jako bycie dobrą osobą - i to, że wyanon1547754019 ona wiary w drugą osobę, w dobre chęci, motywacje. Anarchizm, podobnie jak inne radykalne zanon1235093333ny, wydaje się odległy lata świetlne, niemożliwy wręcz - chociaż coś musi zastąpić kapitalizm w jego dzisiejszej formie. Jak myślisz, jaka jest droga do takiego anarchizmu dobrego serca?

Pozdrawiam!"
1,64815,2019-11-20T09:18:47.746Z,11666,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,64815,anon3457265948,anon3457265948,"K 17. listopadu se primárně připojujeme ke vzkazu Univerzit za klima: tak, jako v listopadu 1989 protestovali studenti a studentky proti utlačujícímu systému, pokračujeme v různých formách protestu i my dnes. Současný systém totiž utlačuje nejen nejzranitelnější skupiny obyvatel, ale hlavně život na planetě jako takové.

Vědci a vědkyně formulují velmi nepříznivé vyhlídky, co se stavu klimatu týká. Pokud se způsob nakládání s životním prostředím nezmění systémově a ihned, dosáhneme brzy bodu zvratu, který spustí řetězec událostí, které již budou mimo lidskou kontrolu. Věda to opakuje, aktivisté a aktivistky - od dětí po studenty, ale i dospělé - se k tomu snaží neustále vracet pozornost. Ví totiž, že jde o jejich budoucnost. Političtí zástupci a zástupci korporací ale svou odpovědnost odmítají. Byznys musí jít dál.

Tak jako pro studenty a studentky během 17. listopadu před třiceti lety je otázka svobody zásadní i pro nás. Věříme totiž, že na mrtvé planetě žádná svoboda není.

Svoboda je navíc k nezaplacení. A to doslova. V současném systému, který svou orientací na neustálý růst drancuje životní prostředí, zůstávají v pozadí právě ti nejpotřebnější. O tom, kolik skutečné svobody má člověk bez domova, anon681684766 samoživitelka, zadlužená domácnost, uprchlík v táboře nebo osamělý důchodce, lze minimálně polemizovat.

Nezapomínejme, že svět, který by byl ohleduplný ke všem tvorům planety, tady přes veškerý pokrok lidstva stále nemáme. Pojďme jej tedy tvořit. Společně. A rychle.

foto z Okupační stávky za klima (c) Štěpán Šanda

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2,64817,2019-11-20T09:38:04.179Z,11666,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,64815,anon4241195410,anon3457265948,"V Brne, Ostrave i Olomoci se pripravuji podobne stavky, btw."
3,68097,2020-01-03T09:15:00.220Z,11666,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64817,anon3177138536,anon4241195410,Máte nějaké novinky? Ohledně stavek/ vývoje na univerzitách?
4,68098,2020-01-03T09:16:55.232Z,11666,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64815,anon4241195410,anon3457265948,"Urcite, viz tento post. https://edgeryders.eu/t/jednani-s-masarykovou-univerzitou/12148?u=anon4241195410
Budeme informovat brzy o prubehu jednani v ramci strategickych skupin."
1,64996,2019-11-21T14:16:31.612Z,11692,0,8,7,6,0,0,46.6,64996,anon4150512643,anon4150512643,https://www.facebook.com/ChcemeOtevreneBrno/posts/113655576762425
2,65153,2019-11-22T13:31:05.745Z,11692,1,4,3,3,0,0,35.8,64996,anon4241195410,anon4150512643,"Diky, Dalibore. Jen to tady postnu takhle, at se to lip cte.

A jestli jste s námi nebyli dneska, máme pro vás kompletní tiskovou zprávu. A příště už určitě!

VZNIKÁ NOVÁ OBČANSKÁ PLATFORMA: OTEVŘENÉ BRNO.

V Brně vzniká občanská platforma aktivních lidí, kterým na městě záleží a kteří nesouhlasí se směrem, kterým se Brno po posledních volbách vydalo. Jmenuje se Otevřené Brno.

Otevřené Brno bude z občanských pozic hájit hodnoty, které teď nemají v zastupitelstvu města své zastoupení - a vytvoří Plán B, komplexní, odborný a participativně zpracovaný plán rozvoje města Brna.

Otevřené Brno vzniká také proto, že velké procento progresivně, občansky, sociálně a ekologicky smýšlejících občanů města teď nemá své zastoupení v zastupitelstvu města.

Spolek zakládají členové Žít Brno, Zelených a Idealistů.cz spolu s dalšími aktivními občany Brna, není to ovšem nová politická strana ani hnutí a není to koaliční projekt. Našim cílem je oslovit co nejvíc lidí, kteří mají ambice zlepšovat svět kolem sebe, ale stávající šanon3213561856ulky politických stran nebo aktivistických sdružení jsou jim moc těsné.

Veřejné představení Otevřeného Brna proběhlo na tiskové konferenci 20. 11. 2019 v 11:00 v kavárně Podobrazy. Tam platforma představila své základní ideje Otevřeného Brna a přečetla otevřený dopis primátorce Markétě Vaňkové hodnotící roční působení koalice. Představila i základní priority, kterými se platforma bude v nejbližší době zabývat, a to v oblastech kultury, veřejného prostoru a dopravy, životního prostředí a v sociální oblasti.
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Mezi zakládající členy patří například Dalibor Levíček - zastupitel MČ Brno-Líšeň a místopředseda brněnských Zelených, Lukáš Karnet - předseda Jihomoravské krajské rady osob se zdravotním postižením, radní MČ Brno-Vinohrady, David Oplatek - zastupitel MČ Brno-střed, Martin Freund - expert na sociální bydlení a bývalý zastupitel města Brna, Marika Kupková - zastupitelka MČ Brno-střed, Vojtěch Vašák, předseda spolku Idealisté, cz, nebo anon714634410 Kořínek - režisér a publicista, zabývá se rozvojem měst.

Spisovatel a zastupitel Brno-střed Martin Reiner a jedna z dalších zakládajících osobností Otevřeného Brna představil koncepci vzniku Plánu B, který se rozhodl zaštítit. Tento plán je inspirován Plánem Bratislava, jehož vznik inicioval Matúš Vallo, který ho má nyní možnost realizovat jako nový primátor Bratislavy. Matúš Vallo se rovněž rozhodl vznik platformy Otevřené Brno podpořit a jeho videozdravice byla přehrána na tiskové konferenci.

Osobní účastí na tiskové konferenci se rozhodly Otevřené Brno podpořit i další osobnosti veřejného života, které souzní s jejími idejemi, například bývalá ústavní soudkyně a senátorka Eliška Wagnerová nebo senátor Marek Hilšer.
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(Za fotky děkujeme Michaele Dvořákové.)"
3,68096,2020-01-03T09:11:55.579Z,11692,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,65153,anon927244916,anon4241195410,"Tohle nové občanské sdružení má, podle mě, potenciál. Strašně rád, bych ho viděl vyhrát volby. Máte před sebou ještě tři roky, tak doufám, že naplnit očekávání kolem práce pro Brno a jeho občanskou společnost."
1,56736,2019-07-15T16:04:18.719Z,10360,0,13,12,3,0,0,62.6,56736,anon1442549864,anon1442549864,"Urodziłam się w woj. lubuskim. W 1988 r. - w wieku 8 lat - przeprowadziłam się z rodzicami do mieszkania komunalnego w mieście we wschodniej Polsce. Uczyłam się tutaj od drugiej klasy podstawówki, z przerwą w drugiej klasie zawodówki. Wtedy rodzice przenieśli mnie do zawodówki odzieżowej w lubuskim, bo wpadłam w złe towarzystwo. Chcieli mnie odseparować. To był dobry pomysł. Złe towarzystwo poszło w zapomnienie, szkołę skończyłam. Potem w trybie eksternistycznym skończyłam liceum i - ostatnio - dwuletnią szkołę policealną. W wieku 20 lat wyszłam za mąż i urodziłam córkę . Zamążpójście było spowodowane ciążą. Po 6 latach rozstałam się z mężem. Dwa lata później dostałam rozwód. W tym samym roku wyszłam ponownie za mąż. Z drugim mężem jestem do dziś. Mamy dwójkę dzieci. Dwa lata temu córka namówiła mnie na to, żebym poszła do szkoły policealnej. Żeby wyjść do ludzi, nie siedzieć w domu z synami cały czas.

Pracowałam dorywczo: sprzątałam w supermarkecie nocami, w piekarni jako sprzedawca. Zanim urodziłam najmłodszego syna pracowałam w sklepie spożywczym. Miałam umowę na 5 lat. Po pół roku dowiedziałam się, że jestem w ciąży. Odsunęli mnie od pracy, bo nie mogłam dźwigać itd., a nie mieli innego stanowiska pracy dla mnie. I tak przez 4,5 roku przesiedziałam w domu. Najpierw na zwolnieniu. Chciałam po urodzeniu dziecka wrócić do pracy, ale syn urodził się niepełnosprawny. Dostałam po urodzeniu dziecka urlop macierzyński, wychowawczy, i tak przeciągnęło się do końca umowy. 

Syn urodził się ze stopami końsko-szpotawymi. Wada ta polega na tym, że nie rosną ścięgna Achillesa tak szybko jak powinny. Syn od drugiego dnia życia był w gipsie. Co tydzień jeździliśmy do szpitala na zanon1235093333nę gipsu. To trwało 2 miesiące. Potem nacięli mu ścięgna i przez kolejne 6 tygodni ponownie anon1235093333ł założony gips. Trzeba było uważać na ułożenie nóg cały czas. Po zdjęciu gipsu była rehabilitacja. Jeździliśmy bardzo często do szpitala. Dostał też aparaty na nogi. Nosił je 24 h na dobę. Z przerwą jedynie na mycie i ćwiczenia, które wykonywaliśmy też sami w domu. Jak zaczął chodzić, w wieku 13 miesięcy,  czekała nas wyanon1235093333na aparatów. Co chwilę chodziliśmy na rehabilitację. Korzystaliśmy z publicznej opieki zdrowotnej. Wizyty były co tydzień, co dwa miesiące, a teraz co 6 miesięcy. Obecnie czekamy na wizytę, ale nie jesteśmy zarejestrowani. Jesteśmy w kontakcie telefonicznym bezpośrednio z lekarzem. Lekarz dał nam swój numer prywatny z tego względu, że gdyby coś działo to mamy dzwonić. Nieważne jaka to pora dnia. Ale zbierał też różne dane do swojej pracy badawczej i dzięki temu mieliśmy też chyba nieco „chodów”. Chociaż on jest takim lekarzem, że dziecku nie odmówi. Jeśli nic złego się nie dzieje, a ma dużo innych pacjentów, to przełoży wizytę o miesiąc i to wszystko. Rehabilitacja to co innego. Lekarz ją tylko zleca, a wykonuje się ją w oddzielnym zakładzie rehabilitacji. Jest różnie. Jeśli są zajęcia indywidualne, to i dwa - trzy miesiące można czekać. Jeśli nie ma zajęć indywidualnych, czeka się ok. dwóch-trzech tygodni. Ten czas robił różnicę, bo wada się rozwijała. Ona na okrągło wraca, dopóki syn rośnie. Dopóki rośnie, a ścięgna są za krótkie, będzie chodził na palcach.  Ja byłam leczona inną metodą. W późniejszym wieku anon1235093333łam operację wydłużającą ścięgna i odczuwam teraz ból. Nie wiem jak on w przyszłości. Syn jest leczony częściowo eksperymentalnie. Ten zabieg, który anon1235093333ł przeprawadzony ostatnio standardowo jest wykonywany u dwumiesięcznych dzieci. U niego był wykonywany w wieku 2 miesięcy i 9 lat. W późniejszym wieku był chyba leczony jako pierwszy w Polsce. Wiem już, że nie zdecydujemy się na taki zabieg drugiej nogi. Tym bardziej, że nie ma wielkiego efektu. Nadal chodzi na palcach. Być może ma aż tak oporne ścięgna. 

Mimo wszystko chodził do przedszkola i szkoły publicznej, a w październiku ubiegłego roku lekarz zlecił zajęcia indywidualne w domu ze wzgledu na ostatni zabieg i dlugi czas w gipsie. W piątej klasie wraca do szkoły. Syn jest w zwykłej klasie. Mają co prawda nauczyciela wspoanon1547754019jącego, ale dla innego dziecka. Ten nauczyciel poanon1547754019 też innym dzieciom. Syn ma dysklesję i dysortografię. Ciężko mu się uczyć. Ale testy psychologiczne w różnych szkołach wychodziły w porządku. Z powodu leczenia anon1235093333ł dużo przerw w nauce. Problemy zaczęły się w pierwszej klasie, gdy trudno było mu się uczyć, pisać literki, czytać.  Teraz nadrobił trochę na indywidualnych zajęciach. Leczenie jest bardzo drogie. Mimo refundacji, drugie tyle trzeba najczęściej dopłacać. Koszty ponosiliśmy raz na rok, raz na dwa lata. Teraz już rzadziej. Na przykład ostatnio wydaliśmy na aparaty 1, 5tys. Dopłaciliśmy 400 zł. Refundacja publiczna to zazwyczaj połowa albo 3/4 kosztów. Jest ustalony jakiś procent na jedną nogę, jaki maksymalnie mogą zrefundować w Narodowym Funduszu Zdrowia. Raz korzystałam z dofinansowania z Państwowego Funduszu Rehabilitacji Osób Niepełnosprawnych. Zwrócili 1 400 zł z 2 500 zł. O mniejsze refundacje się nie staramy, bo poprawiła nam się sytuacja finansowa. Tym bardziej, że nie wiadomo było czy niedługo nie poniesiemy większego wydatku, a NFZ finansuje aparaty raz na 3 lata.  

Kiedyś korzystałam z doraźnej pomocy opieki społecznej, gdy odeszłam od byłego męża. Korzystałam z zasiłków celowych. Przez 3-4 miesiące je otrzymywałam. Raz w roku dofinansowywali węgiel. Z ośrodka pomocy społecznej dostawałam różne kwoty zasiłków. Czasem to było 200 zł, a czasem 800 zł. Kwota zależała od dochodu i od tego, ile instytucja anon1235093333ła środków. Niestety zależało to też od pracownika. Kiedyś odmówili mi pomocy w 8 miesiącu ciąży. Powodem była „rażąca dysproporcja między przychodami a wydatkami”. Przyszły do mnie dwie panie, przeprowadziły wywiad i powiedziały, że to jest niemożliwe, coś jest nie tak. Że mam za dużo wydatków, a za mało dochodów. Fakt, że dochodu nie anon1235093333łam wiele, a wydatki były. Mąż był wtedy w wojsku. Miałam od niego 150 zł żołdu plus dostawałam pomoc od rodziców. Byłam na ich utrzymaniu, bo nie anon1235093333łam swoich pieniędzy. Wtedy jeszcze nie anon1235093333łam alimentów na córkę. Mówiłam to tym kobietom otwarcie, że rodzice nie są w stanie mi cały czas poanon1547754019ć. Za stancję wtedy płaciłam 300-350 zł. Mieszkałam z córką w zagrzybionym pokoju z kuchnią. Była tam tylko toaleta i zimna woda. Później już nie poszłam do ośrodka pomocy społecznej w tej dzielnicy. Po przeprowadzce – w innej filii - trafiliśmy na pana, który o nas zadbał naprawdę. Dzwonił do mnie i mówił, żebym przychodziła z podaniem, bo są pieniądze na to, żeby nam pomóc; organizował paczki dla dzieci, zapraszał dzieciaki na  imprezy. To było w 2010 roku. Jednym słowem, opieka zależy od osoby. Potem było bardzo w porządku, ale przestaliśmy korzystać z pomocy społecznej. Nie chciałam nadwyrężać pomocy. Chciałam, żebyśmy w końcu dali sobie radę sami. Nie przymieraliśmy głodem. Na jedzenie było, na czynsz było, a na wakacje nie potrzeba było. Tu nie chodzi o dumę, ale może ktoś inny skorzysta. Po 2012 roku było lepiej finansowo. Mąż załapał pracę i jakoś finansowo zaczęliśmy dawać radę. Cały czas korzystamy z dofinansowania do mieszkania. Czynsz mamy ok. 600 zł, a dodatku mieszkaniowego jakieś 430 zł. Na wysokość dodatku wpływa mały metraż i duża liczba osób w mieszkaniu. 


O mieszkanie też się wystarałam. Wcześniej mieszkaliśmy w jednej z dwóch kamienic, co szły do wyburzenia. Urzędnicy powiedzieli, że nic nam się nie należy, bo tylko wynajmujemy. Mamy szukać kolejnej stancji. Ze względu na niepełnosprawność syna i na to, że ja nie pracowałam, trójka dzieci, pracował tylko mąż, złożyłam podanie o mieszkanie do remontu. Byłam kilka razy u wiceprezydenta anon1235093333sta. Miastu zależało na szybkim wybudowaniu drogi w miejscu, w którym mieszkaliśmy i ostatecznie znaleźli nam lokal zastępczy. Najpierw pokazali nam mieszkanie do remontu z takim pokojem, że nie zmieściłabym wyposażenia dla jednego dziecka. A co z pozostałą dwójką? Duży pokój też nie nadawał się, więc zrezygnowałam z tego mieszkania. I w ciągu tygodnia dostaliśmy lokal zastępczy, w którym mieszkaliśmy dwa lata. Potem zadzwonił telefon z gminy, że jest mieszkanie do remontu, które przyjęliśmy. W marcu minie cztery lata jak mieszkamy właśnie w tym mieszkaniu. Zgłosiliśmy remont na 25 tys. zł. Otrzymaliśmy wykaz koniecznych remontów z administracji. Nie obchodziło ich w jakiej cenie to zrobimy, byle było zrobione. Nawet nie trzeba było przedstawiać faktur. Nie składałam podania o mieszkanie komunalne, bo na nie bardzo długo się czeka, a nas nagliło. Wiedziałam, że do remontu szybciej można dostać. To było wywalczone, bo cały czas nam powtarzali, że sami powinniśmy sobie wynająć. A nas ani na kredyt ani na nic nie było stać. Z rodzicami wspólnymi siłami jakoś wyremontowaliśmy mieszkanie od gminy. Powiedziałam od razu, że nie chcę niebezpiecznej dzielnicy ani pieca kaflowego ze względu na dzieci. A słyszało się, że jak wybrzydzasz i nie bierzesz mieszkania, jakie ci dają, po trzech odmowach trafiasz na koniec kolejki. To, które mam teraz, nie jest rewelacyjne. Ni to blok, ni to kamienica. Ogrzewanie co prawda mamy centralne, ale wodę już na gaz. Miesięcznie prąd i gaz kosztuje nas ok. 200-240 zł na 5 osób. Nie narzekam, chociaż nie stać mnie na luksusowe wakacje albo na to, żeby nawet na kilka dni wyjechać nad morze. Dużo nie potrzebuję. W tej chwili pobieram od państwa zasiłek pielęgnajcyjny na syna w wysokości 153 zł i zasiłek rehalibilitacyjny 110 zł, za wielodzietność i każde dziecko zasiłek rodzinny – w sumie 760 zł. Plus 500 zł na dwójkę dzieci. Nie przekraczamy kryterium dochodowego 1 200 zł na osobę w rodzinie, żeby otrzymać pomoc od państwa. U nas w rodzinie to jest faktycznie teraz dochód ok. 500 zł na osobę. Dopóki nie poszłam do pracy, to był mój dochód, plus alimenty na córkę. Kwotę 2 100 zł anon1235093333łam na dzieci. Plus mąż swoją wypłatę. Teraz kiedy zaczęłam pracę, prawdopodobnie zostaną odebrane mi zasiłki. Zostanie nam 500 plus. Prawdę mówiąc ten zastrzyk pieniędzy bardzo nam kiedyś pomógł. Mogłam sobie pozwolić na to, żeby nawet sobie coś kupić. Jeszcze korzystaliśmy ze stypendiów szkolnych. Kupowało się rzeczy i zanosiło faktury do rozliczenia. Miasto zwracało na każde dziecko rocznie ok. 1000 zł.  Poza tym korzystałam czasem z zasiłku celowego w szkole. W sumie to było jednorazowo 300-400 zł na każde dziecko. Przez rok korzystałam też z karty dużej rodziny, a potem już nie. Dla nas pomoc społeczna była wystarczającą pomocą. Jeżeli bierze się 500 plus i żyje z tego, mimo że można pójść do pracy - to jest nie w porządku. Mi ono pomogło w czasie, gdy nie pracowałam i zajmowałam się niepełnosprawnym synem. W końcu trzeba wrócić do pracy. Dla siebie. Jeśli odbiorą nam wszystkie zasiłki to trudno. Dzieci będą anon1235093333ły mimo wszystko szczęśliwszą mamę. Uważam, że pociechy urosną, pójdą swoimi drogami, a ja zostałabym sama w domu. Poszłam do pracy dla siebie. Nie z powodu pieniędzy, bo w pracy dostanę wypłatę, ale zasiłki mi zabiorą. Robię to dla siebie. Dla dzieci też, bo jak siedziałam w domu, wykańczałam się psychicznie. Teraz wyszłam do ludzi. Zaczęłam szkołę, pracę. Po prostu rozwijam się w tym wieku (przyp.: 39 l.). Jeżeli chodzi o 500 plus, uważam, że powinno być podniesione kryterium dochodowe. Chodzi mi o to, że bardzo bogate rodziny nie powinny dostawać świadczenia. Często jednak jest tak, że anon681684766 samotnie wychowująca dziecko nie dostanie zasiłku. To jest niesprawiedliwe. Matka samotnie wychowująca dziecko zazwyczaj zarabia minimalną krajową, czyli dochód na osobę wynosi ponad 800 zł, przez co traci prawo do 500 plus. Kryterium dochodowe powinno być obecnie podniesione do min. 1 000 zł. I wzrastać wraz z podnoszonymi dochodami. Jeśli chodzi o alimenty to też, niby nie są nigdzie brane pod uwagę, a jednak wszędzie są wliczane do dochodu rodziny. 

Nie interesuję się polityką, bo nie chcę się denerwować. Czasem głosuję.  Głosowałam w jakichś przedostatnich wyborach, chyba to były samorządowe. Nie głosuję, bo jest jak jest. Jakiej zanon1235093333ny chciałabym? Ta sytuacja jest ok. Dajemy radę z życiem. Nie stać nas na wakacje, ale jakieś rozrywki dzieciom można zapewnić. Dobrze jest jak jest. Zazwyczaj głosuję za mężem. Tak jak on głosuje tak i ja. Jeśli bardzo mu zależy podaje mi nazwisko i głosuję.

Religia była ważna w moim życiu, dopóki polityka nie weszła na ambony. Przestałam chodzić do kościoła. Ostatnio byłam jak syn brał komunię. W sumie nawet nie wiem dlaczego tę komunię brał. Chyba dlatego, że tak wypada. Nie jesteśmy aż tak bardzo religijni. Wierzymy, ale nic nie praktykujemy. Chociaż i to wierzenie odchodzi coraz bardziej. Kiedyś był takie momenty, że chodziłam do kościoła. Wiem, że proboszcz z naszej parafii, jeśli pójdzie się do niego z prośbą o pomoc, zrobi wszystko, żeby jakoś pomóc. Nie wiem na jakiej zasadzie, ale będzie się starał, żeby jakoś pomóc. Mój syn nawet nie był na rocznicy pierwszej komunii. Jakoś nie czujemy potrzeby chodzenia do kościoła. Zanikają obrzędy. Wiadomo, chodzimy na święta, coś się szykuje, ale te święta nie są takie jak kiedyś były.Są, bo są, dni wolne. Tak to odbieram. Moi dziadkowie,  rodzice mi to przekazywali, a ja po drodze to jakoś zaniechałam. Nie czuję potrzeby na siłę przekazania tego dzieciom. One jak wejdą do kościoła, to jakby diabła wodą święconą polać. Od razu weszłyby i wyszły. Wartości czerpię od rodziców. Raz było u nich lepiej, raz gorzej, ale jakoś nas wychowali. Mam trzy siostry jeszcze i jakoś wszystkie żyjemy. Nie stoczyłyśmy się. Ojciec - były już - alkoholik, mama robiła wszystko, co się da. Dwie z nas ma swoje rodziny, a siostry bliźniaczki - dużo młodsze ode mnie - są za granicą. W Polsce studiowały, było im mało, i rozjechały się po świecie studiować dalej. Czy widzę zanon1235093333nę w Polsce? Zazwyczaj zanon1235093333ny są przed wyborami, a potem do następnych wszystko ucicha. 300 plus, 500 plus... To poanon1547754019. 1 000 zł na drodze nie leży. A za to dzieciom można naprawdę dużo kupić. Z racji tego, że dopiero wkraczam na rynek pracy, dla mnie najniższa płaca jest wystarczająca. Coś robię i mam coś swojego. Mam ok. 1 000 zł na rękę za staż, a dodatkowo minimalną stawkę na godzinę u nowego pracodawcy. Nie siedzę tam tylko po to, żeby godziny nabić, tylko siedzę i pracuję. Tyle ile potrzeba, czasem nie licząc godzin."
2,68094,2020-01-03T08:50:18.337Z,10360,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,56736,anon3593942245,anon1442549864,"Cześć @anon1442549864 - dziękuję Ci za tą szczerą wypowiedź i zaproszenie nas do przyjrzenia się Twojej życiowej sytuacji. 

Poza wieloma wątkami, które ciekawie opisujesz - starania o mieszkanie, problemy z opieką zdrowotną (chociaż nie narzekasz, co jest wspaniałe i rzadkie w Polsce!) i zanon1547754019nia z zarobkami, pracą i zasiłkami, interesuje mnie Twoja droga teraz: jaką karierę sobie wymarzyłaś jako anon681684766 i kobieta wracająca na rynek po wielu latach przerwy? Trzymam kciuki, bo to ważna decyzja i wielu kobietom nie starczy na nią odwagi."
1,62719,2019-10-31T21:41:18.154Z,11328,0,9,8,5,0,0,31.8,62719,anon1471221438,anon1471221438,"Dosyć niedawno „stary” kolega jeszcze z czasów studenckich przedstawił mi platformę edge ryders I poprosił mnie o podzielenie sie swoimi przemyśleniami. Prośba ta dosyć ogólna wywołała u mnie spore zdziwienie powiększone poprzez fakt zupełnej nieznajomości wyżej wymienionnego medium. Jakiś czas zwlekałem ze swoim wpisem, częściowo ze względu na napięty grafik a po części ze względu na wahanie dotyczące wyboru tematu mych przemyśleń. Całemu temu procesowi praktycznie od samego początku towarzyszyło pewne poczucie niechęci, z którym musiałem się zmierzyć i ktore okazało się poniekąd tematem tego wpisu. Uświadomiłem sobie bowiem, jak niechętnie dzielę się swoimi przemyśleniami w tego typu portalach czy też nawet jeśli chodzi o  wszelakie media społecznościowe. Mówiąc serio nie pamiętam kiedy ostatni raz  dzieliłem sie swoją opinią czy też komentowałem jakikolwiek szerzej poruszany publicznie temat. Nie wynika to bynajmniej z braku własnej opinni czy też ignoracji. W pewnym momencie uznałem że jest to po prostu  coś co  zupełnie nie ma sensu. Jest bezproduktyne - zatem marnuje mój czas. Jaki sens ma bowiem prowadzenie dyskusji czy też dialogu w świecie, w którym nikt nie chce zmienić swojego zdania czy też wyciągnąć wniosków. W którym panuje zupełny brak poszanowania dla poglądów drugiej osoby. Coraz więcej osób reprezentuje coraz bardziej skrajne poglądy. Zarówno z lewa jak i z prawa, począwszy od polityki  poprzez lifestile, odżywianie, modę, technikę, religię... Otoczeni jesteśmy cała bandą neofitów, ekstremistów odpornych na wszelką dyskuję, dalekich od wyciąagania wniosków, szybkich za to do narzucania innym swego światopoglądu czy też stylu życia. Zjawisko to pokrywa pełne spektrum społeczeńswa i zdaje się jedynie narastać z biegiem czasu. Niemal niemożliwe jest już odnalezienie w sieci miejsca gdzie ludzie o różnych poglądach mogliby dyskuować w duchu szacunku dla siebie nawzajem. Osoby pewne wyższości swych poglądów na świat i stylu życia zdominowały dyskusję w internecie. 
Medium, które dało nam wolność w tak wielu aspektach okazało się totalnie dysfunkcyjne jeśli chodzi o wyanon1235093333nę oraz szacumek dla różnych opinii. W sytuacji, w której tak krytykujemy polityków za sposób dyskusji oparty głównie na wzajemnym przekrzykiwaniu się, nie jesteśmy w stanie wznieść się poza swoje spektrum widzenia swiata  i odnieść z szacuckiem do pogladów innych niż nasze.
Internet staje się jedynie źródłem wiedzy a z drugiej strony hejtu.  Coraz mniej w nim kreatywnośći  wywołanego wspóldzieleniem odczuć i przekonań milionów użytkowników. I jest to trochę smutne."
2,68093,2020-01-03T08:16:36.020Z,11328,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,62719,anon3593942245,anon1471221438,"cześć @anon1471221438, przepraszam, że tyle  zajęło mi odpowiedzenie na Twój post, ale jesień była szalona ;) 

Wyobrażam sobie, że zaproszenie kogoś do opowiedzenia o sobie na jakiejś kompletnie obcej platformie brzmi dziwnie - i wciąż się z tym mierzymy, żeby zmienić ten odbiór i stworzyć tutaj dokładnie taką przestrzeń, której, jak sam mówisz, nie ma w Internecie, zdominowanym przez trolli, osoby, które wyspecializowały się w szerzeniu jadu i wywoływaniu mało kontruktywnych podziałów. Internet jest ""złamany"", czy raczej zepsuty, jak pisało wielu znawców w podsumowaniach ostatniej dekady. Wielkim firmom udało się go ukraść, zmonopolizować i podporządkować logice, która nie sprzyja dyskusji. Ale, czy ta nie jest nam mimo wszystko potrzebna?

Czy wierzysz, że jest wciąż możliwość spotkania się z obcymi online i prowadzenia z nimi ciekawego, wartościowego dialogu - nt. wartości na przykład - który może nie przekona ich do zanon1235093333ny zdania, ale pozwoli nam mieszkać obok siebie bez podejrzliwości czy niechęci?"
1,67570,2019-12-16T18:22:23.016Z,12196,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,67570,anon2457346758,anon2457346758,"Wczoraj wypisał mi się długopis. Taki plastikowy, z wyjmowanym wkładem, kupowany na sztuki za jakieś grosze w lokalnym markecie. Myślę sobie - wyrzucić? Nie, o nie, pójdę do sklepu i kupię kilka wkładów na zapas. Zrobię dobry uczynek i ulżę trochę Matce Ziemi. 
Staję przed ladą, pokazuje ekspedientce wyjęty wkład. Kobieta wyciąga pojemnik z różnej wielkości i grubości wkładami, jedne premium, inne ekonomiczne. Przymierzamy, sprawdzamy, próbujemy zmieścić je do plastikowej obudowy. Kobieta bardzo się stara, ja również. 
- ""Przykro mi, ale nie pomogę. Nie mamy tego rozanon1235093333ru"" - stwierdza z żalem po pięciu minutach. 
- ""Rozumiem, przynajmniej Pani próbowała. Wie Pani co, przepraszam że zająłem tyle czasu, po prostu chciałem być eko. Jednak nie jest to takie łatwe"" - odpowiadam radośnie, próbując siebie i ją pocieszyć. 
Gdy wychodzę ze sklepu uśmiech znika z mojej twarzy. Bo w głowie kołacze się myśl: ""To ja do cholery płacę 35 zł za odbiór odpadów, które należy wg instrukcji segregować, wyjmować zszywki z gazet, oddzielać bąbelkową folię od papierowych kopert, zastanawiać się czy styropian z opakowania po mikrofali idzie do plastiku czy już do punktu zbiórki, czy parę podartych kartek to już makulatura itd. itp....  I mam jeszcze biegać po sklepach za głupim wkładem do długopisu? O nie, zaraz wchodzę na Allegro, kupię kilkanaście jednorazówek i będzie spokój na parę miesięcy!"""
1,67519,2019-12-15T01:41:23.823Z,12185,0,17,16,10,0,0,68.4,67519,anon3887834485,anon3887834485,"Pozdrav Svima!
Ja sam Viktor Halla. Živim u Srbiji, u malom gradu Stari Bečej. U ovom gradu imamo mnogo mogućnosti. Da započnem svoju priču:
Završio sam Elektro-mehaničar srednju školu. Ovim znanjem mogu da se zaposlim u bilo koju fabriku, da vršim popravke na mašinama. Posle sam hteo da se zapišem za programera. Već imam znanje za pisanje programa pa samo jedan papir mi fali, da potvrdim moje znanje. Zbog rata naša zemlja se zatvorila, i nisu predavali najnovije mogućnosti na računarima. Hteo sam da učim programiranje u Windows-u ali samo u DOS-u predavali. Našao sam posao, radio sam u elektro prodavnici. Posle vojska. Posle vojske nisu me primili kao stalni radnik, a otvorilo se vrata i odem, da radim u inostranstvo Mađarska. Prvo su me pozvali na izložbu. Tamo su bili Nemci, Rumuni, i dvojica iz Taiwana. Izložili su test sisteme za elektroniku. Najviše mi se dopalo AOI – Automatic Optocal Inspection. Inženjer iz Taiwana mi je pokazao kako radi. Zadnji dan sam ostao sam sa Inženjerima i morao sam sam da prevodim Engleski na Mađarski jezik. Uspeh su imali na izložbi, ali pitali su ko će to da programira? Mene su predložili. Tako sam počeo da radim programiranje AOI korišćenje svoje znanje za elektroniku, posle sam izučio MDA – Measurement Digital Analyser, i SPI – Solder Paste Inspection.
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                        MDA, AOI i šema za proizvodnju

Nažalost prodaja mašina nije bilo u velikom količinama, i zapitali su me, da li bi hteo da radim u proizvodnji? Pristao sam, pošto isto bi radio sa robotima. Radio sam na CNC glodalici.

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                   CNC glodalica i plan rada

Program koje sam dobio, nije bio dobar, i mere isto nisu bili u toleranciji. Reko sam programeru da me izuči i ako nešto ne vaja onda sam ću biti kriv. Odmah je pristao. Da imam papir da znam da koristim CNC mašine i da znam da programiram, završio sam školu pored rada kod Mađara. Posle 2 godine videli su da ne pravim nikakve greške, i stavili su me kao programera za celu proizvodnju. Zbog bolesti mog roditelja sam se vratio moj grad u Srbiji.

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                 Pisanje programa u G-kodu
Moj san: U celom životu sam osećao kao da ne vredim skoro ništa. Zbog toga nisam ni hteo da zatražim pomoć. Ako bi zatražio, onda bi mi to uradio jedna mašina, jedan program koje sam sam sastavio. Mogao bi ovo da iskoristim, da uradim svoju firmu ili nekome da pomognem, predam moje znanje. Gde sam zadnji put radio nisu mogli da veruju. Napravio sam program koji piše program za CNC laserski sekač lima. Kad sam pokazao, pitali su me što si još u Evropi? Nažalost gledao sam da imam karijeru gde nisu me cenili, ali nisam gledao sebe.
Predlog za radionicu:
-	Mesto
-	Papira za rad (odobrenje)
-	Predaja znanja
-	Diploma ili papir za potvrdu znanja
-	Izračunavanje troškova
-	Pružanje prvog pomoći na lica mesta i gašenje požara

**Mesto:**
Treba izabrati mesto gde bi moglo da se radi. Unutrašnja veličina da li odgovara zakonu, ako ne, koliko bi to koštalo da preradimo mesto. 
**Papir za rad:**
Kad smo već napravili sve u propisu zakona, još treba odobrenje da se pusti u rad. Treba da se pogleda elektronika, da li je sve dobro spojeno, izmeriti uzemljenje, da li istaknut plan za spašavanje u vezi požara, da li su istaknuti propisi, aparati za gašenje požara, itd.
**Predaja znanja:**
Kao što znamo treba da budu majstori ili profesori. Sad ovde ne znam ni sam koga bi trebalo pre da se primi da predaje. Ko ima veliku školu taj pojma nema kako treba jedan čekić da se drži. Ja mislim bolje jedan majstor, nego velika škola koji nije ni probao svoju struku da radi (čovek bez prakse).
**Papir za potvrdu znanja:**
Svakog ko izuči svoj zanat, taj bi trebalo da dobije potvrdu šta zna da radi. Na kraju da imaju i ocenu za svoj rad. Ovo isto bi trebalo sa opštinom da se dogovori. Sa ovim bi mogli lakše da nađu učenici posao.

**Izračunavanje troškova:**
Ovo je isto jedan zanat. Može se dogovoriti sa učenicima Ekonomske škole, pošto oni mogu izračunaju dobitak proizvodnje ili gubitak. Ono što je najvažnije, treba da se izračunava sponzorstvo. Ovde bi moglo i takmičenje da se uradi: ko može jeftinije da nabavi materijal za proizvodnju.
**Pružanje prvog pomoći:**
Ovo je najbitnija stavka. Treba znati kako možemo pružiti prvu pomoć našem radnom prijatelju, pre nego stigne ambulantna kola. Gašenje požara isto može život da se spasi. Za obuku bi se zatražila pomoć lekara i od vatrogasca.

Izvinjavam se zbog moje greške u pisanju :slight_smile:"
2,67533,2019-12-15T16:49:39.682Z,12185,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,67519,anon2614214130,anon3887834485,"Cao Viktore i dobrodosao u nasu zajednicu!
Hvala sto si podelio svoju pricu sa nama.
Cesto razmisljam o tome kako je neki papir bitan vise od svog znanja i iskustva.
Ne znam da li ce se to skoro ili ikada promeniti.
Svakako je tvoj predlog jako zanimljiv i koristan i nadam se da ce i tvoji sugradjani da se okupe oko njega."
1,66918,2019-12-04T19:28:40.715Z,12107,0,9,8,4,0,0,36.8,66918,anon1616461635,anon1616461635,"Cześć! Nazywam się Kaja (Kayaszu), jestem weganką, ateistką, mężatką i od wielu lat aktywistką i działaczką społeczną. Przez wiele lat zajmowałam się prawami zwierząt i weganizmem, obecnie głównie zajmuje się prawami kobiet, feminizmem i ciałopozytywnością.

Kiedy myślę o tym jak żyje mi się w Polsce, myślę głównie o tym jak żyje mi się tu z perspektywy życia w ciele kobiety. Ciele, które na różne sposoby jest ograniczane, poddawane nierównym restrykcyjom, podwójnym standardom, które sprawiają, że mam mniej praw niż mężczyźni, a społeczeństwo uważa, że do tego powinnam mieć jeszcze więcej obowiązków. 

Myślę wtedy też o molestowaniu seksualnym, które uszło moim kolegom na sucho albo które zostało zadane mi w miejscach publicznych przez obce osoby i kiedy nikt nie wstawił się są mną, nikt nie staną w mojej obronie. Myślę  o braku wsparcia, ale też o tym, że jako ofiara molestowania jestem postrzegana przez pryzmat ofiary, która musiała na to zasłużyć, społeczeństwo nie zostawia suchej nitki na ofiarach i to mnie przeraża. Mówienie w tym kontekście o moich doświadczeniach jest jeszcze trudniejsze, ale wiem, że nie jestem w tym sama, dlatego znajduję w sobie siłę, by powiedzieć to na głos. Myślę też o całej machnie przemocy jakiej byłam ofiarą. Od seksizmu 
i mizgoini otaczającychh mnie mężczyzn po popkulture, która stworzyła we mnie presję nienawiści do ciała i zapędziła mnie w zaburzenia odżywiania. Myślę o tym jak bardzo stawia się na to, żeby dziewczynki od małego uczyć posłuszeństwa i o tym, że mojej Mamie udało się mnie z tego wyzwolić, dać mi energię do życia po swojemu, poza stereotypem.

Jak mi się żyje w Polsce?
To zależy. Bo teraz pozornie niczego mi nie brakuje, jestem w uprzywilejowanej pozycji, mieszkam w dużym mieście, stać mnie na prywatną opiekę medyczną, w środowisku, w którym się obracam osobiście, kobiety traktowane są całkiem nieźle. Do tego mój mąż zrobił rok temu wazektomie, więc kwestia dostępu do aborcji czy antykoncepcji zaczęła być jeszcze bardziej odległa od mojego życia. To taki paradoks, bo mimo że te sprawy stają się coraz mniej dotyczące mnie, ja wciąż coraz bardziej angażuje się w walkę o prawa reprodukcjne kobiet i przez to też bezpośrednio spotykam się z coraz bardziej przejmującymi historiami. Obserwuję to też u moich koleżanek, działaczek. W praktyce jesteśmy dużo mniej wykluczone i mamy dużo większy dostęp do wiedzy , środków antykoncepcyjnych, aborcji, badań prenatalnych itd., ale to nie sprawia, że stajemy się obojętne, przeciwnie wciąż angażujemy się mocniej i nasz przywilej staramy się wykorzystać, by robić coś dobrego dla kobiet, które go nie mają.

Myślę, że to co daje mi dużo siły do działania, to bezpośrednie relacje kobiet, które nie mają tak łatwego dostępu do tych wszystkich rzeczy. Pracując w social mediach i prowadząc dwa duże profile o kobiecej tematyce mam kontakt z przeróżnymi osobami. Spotkam się też z hejtem,  jestem więc też blisko tego całego zła i nienawiści jaka jest w ludziach. Mówią, że w Internecie wychodzi z ludzi najgorsze, zgodzę się z tym. 
Sama na swojej skórze doświadczam hejtu i nagonki, parę miesięcy temu skasowano mi w wyniku tego profil na Instagramie z ponad 30 k followersów. Jako osoba pokazująca ciała poza kanonem, mówiąca o cialopozytywności, feminizmie, często jestem celem zorganizowanych ataków. Mam dużo wrogów, niestety.

Jest też w internecie masa zgubionych osób, które po prostu szukają ratunku.

Codziennie dostaję wiadomości z pytaniami, od podstawowych pytań z zakresu edukacji seksualnej, na które odpowiedzi powinniśmy znaleźć w podręczniku do edukacji seksualnej (którego jak wiadomo w polskich szkołach nie ma, bo zaanon1235093333st tego mamy prowadzone często przez księży, anon3213561856echetki i inne ideologicznie zaplątane osoby lekcje przygotowania do życia w rodzinie). Po bardzo skomplikowane, często dramatyczne opowieści o przemocy, wykluczeniu, bezradności i niesprawiedliwości patriarchalnej Polski.
W wielu historiach odnajduje swoje doświadczenia albo doświadczenia bliskich mi osób. Widzę, że problemy kobiet w Polsce są spójne. Mamy niezależnie od pochodzenia i statusu społecznego wiele wspólnego, choć natężenie problemów jest nieproporcjonalnie wyższe wśród osób wykluczonych ekonomicznie.


Jak mi się więc żyje, z z całą tą wiedzą,  z tym bagażem doświadczeń? No coraz gorzej, bo świadomość tych wszystkich problemów, obcowanie z hejterami, słuchanie o dramatach jednostek i 
przy tym obserwowaniee jak zmieniane jest prawo na niekorzyść kobiet bardzo wpływa na moje samopoczucie. Martwię się o to jak na młode dziewczyny wpłyną te zanon1235093333ny społeczne, które obserwujemy i jak pogorszy się ich, często i tak beznadziejna sytuacja.
Boję się tego, że nasz kraj staje się coraz bardziej konserwatywny, że kościół wciąż trzyma w garści politykę 

Bulwersuje mnie ten rząd i to co się dzieje, więc protestuje na różne sposoby. Jednak chodzenie na protesty nie dodaje mi sił, a wykańcza mnie psychicznie i fizycznie. Przez 4 lata rządów PiS anon1235093333łam czasem wrażenie, że powinnam wziąć dodatkowy etat na same demonstracje. Nie dziwi mnie, że tak mało osób chodzi na protesty, z drugiej strony to, że nieliczna część społeczeństwa chce protestować jest demotywujące i frustrujące.


Także żyje mi się tu dziwnie, z jednej strony kochając ten kraj, za ludzi, przyrodę i wszystko co znam i kojarzę z dobrymi chwilami, z drugiej strony nienawidząc tego, że tyle tu ignorancji,  zła i konserwatywnej buty. Czuję, że Polska jest podzielona ideologicznie, a przepaść między ludźmi się zwiększa. Tracimy punkty styczne, umiejętność dyskusji i szacunek względem siebie.

Są dni, że się boję, że patrząc za okno myślę, co zrobię jak wybuchnie wojna, albo będą chcieli mnie spalić na stosie za herezje, jak kiedyś palono ludzi za jakieś niepasujące w danym czasie rzeczy, za ciało, za myśli, za wiarę, niewiarę, za jakieś wypełnione bezrefleksyjnie brednie. Są dni, że po prostu skupiam się na tym co dobre, koncentruje na tym co dobrego mogę zrobić dla konkretnych osób, jaki temat mogę dać moim obserwującym, żeby zmieniać ten kraj na lepsze. Czuję wtedy odwagę, siłę i nadzieję.
Żyje mi się więc w Polsce dziwnie, w uczuciach niejednoznacznie, ambiwalentnie, skrajnie."
2,67477,2019-12-13T13:12:48.114Z,12107,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,66918,anon1274458134,anon1616461635,"Zaczynam żałować, że nie mogłem być na żadnym spotkaniu organizowanym przez Edgeryders w Polsce. Bo chętnie zapoznałbym się z historiami i poglądami o których mówisz (w innym wątku widziałem, że wybierałaś się na spotkanie 30 listopada). Jeśli chodzi o poglądy to jestem w zupełnie innym miejscu niż Ty, ale chętnie dowiedziałbym się czym wg Ciebie jest ta cała ciało-pozytywność. Bo chyba czymś więcej niż tym, że mam być dumny ze swoich garbatych pleców i zaczynającego się odkładać wokół brzucha tłuszczu :P no i skoro tyle miejsca poświęcamy sytuacji kobiet, to może należałoby też wspomnieć o presji i opresji względem mężczyzn. Bo też jest sporo w tym temacie do zrobienia. I o ile o problemach kobiet mówi się głośno, to temat taki jak np. przemoc wobec mężczyzn (stosowana prze partnerki lub inne kobiety z otoczenia) jest tabu"
1,67267,2019-12-10T16:00:30.663Z,12149,0,7,6,4,0,0,21.4,67267,anon1616461635,anon1616461635,"Chciałabym zrobić Wam małe podsumowanie mojego wystąpienia. 

30 listopada zdecydowałam się na zrobienie prelekcji i prezentacji na temat sytuacji kobiet w Polsce. Chciałam opowiedzieć o tym z perspektywy ciała i mojej pracy w Social Mediach skupionych wokół tematów feministycznych i ciałopozytywnych.

Cialopozytywność często kojarzy się z czymś płytkim i skupionym na wyglądzie, chciałam pokazać słuchaczkom i słuchaczom, że tak naprawdę cialopozytywność jest głęboko feministyczna, a wychodząc z perspektywy ciała dotykamy przeróżnych zagadnień od edukacji seksualnej i praw reprodukcjnych, z którymi jest dramatyczny problem we współczesnej Polsce, przez bodyshaming i jego konsekwencje, po inne rodzaje przemocy wobec kobiet.

Starałam się przybliżyć tematy z jakimi przychodzą do mnie moje followerki i podeprzeć to statystykami. Okazuje się bowiem, że kobiety potrzebują nie tylko podstawowej edukacji, ale wsparcia, wysłuchania bez ocen, często sprawdzenia i upewnienia, że ich problemy są naprawdę problemami i nie muszą się obwiniać z że mają prawo szukać wsparcia.

 Ofiary systemowej, instytucjonalnej przemocy, przemocy domowej, seksualnej i psychicznej przychodzą do mnie codziennie po dobre słowo i po pomoc w znalezieniu rozwiązań. Nie umiem ich Sącz ale mogę pomóc nakierować na jakieś miejsca pomocowe albo zasugerować możliwości, przede wszystkim mogę wysłuchać z a to już dużo. Moją grupą odbiorczą są młode osoby, głównie w wieku 18-25, więc ich problemy też są specyficzne dla tego wieku. Uwidaczniają jak sytuacja ekonomiczna, kulturowa, społeczna i klasowa mają wpływ na dostępność pomocy i wiedzę na temat zdrowia, seksualności, dostępu do organizacji pomocowycha także na sytuację psychiczną i zdrowotną poszczególnych osób.

Przytoczyłam wiele historii, jakie czytam w wiadomościach, często od osób z małych miejscowości, wykluczonych komunikacyjnie lub ekonomicznie i to nie są rzeczy o jakich przeczytamy w popularnych gazetach, to np godziny szukania recepty na antykoncepcje awaryjną, a potem na realizację tej recepty, bo w aptekach albo produktu nie ma albo są klauzule sumienia. To historie osób, które nie mogą skorzystać z pomocy ginekologicznej, bo są niepełnoletnie, a ich konserwatywni rodzice nie wyrażają na to zgody, to dziesiątki wiadomości od dziewczyn, które doświadczają bodyshamingu w szkołach, u lekarzy i innych specjalistów, co odciska na nich piętno i niszczy im życiorysy.

Mogłabym tak długo wymieniać, ale chciałabym powiedzieć w imieniu tych wszystkich osób, które mi zaufały i podzieliły się swoją historią, że w Polsce potrzebujemy zanon1235093333n.

Potrzebujemy zanon1235093333ny prawa, ale żeby to się stało potrzebujemy najpierw kulturowej zanon1235093333ny krzywdzących wzorców. Tych które uprzedanon1235093333tawiają kobiece ciała, ograniczają nas, nakazują podwójne standardy, niewolą nas i torturują, zakładając, że nie jesteśmy równe mężczyznom. Potrzeba prawdziwej rewolucji feministycznej.

 Staram się dawać jej zaczątek, edukować, dawać przykład i zmieniać te wzorce, ale sama nie dam rady. Potrzeba nam pracy u podstaw i solidarności, która da siłę i nadzieję na lepsze jutro.

Z tym mam nadzieję motywującym akcentem zostawiam Was do przemyśleń no i mam nadzieję, do zobaczenia na następnym wydarzeniu!"
1,67169,2019-12-09T09:57:05.652Z,12140,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,67169,anon3336612682,anon3336612682,"Po několika letech strávených v nedaleké Vídni (a ještě předtím v Praze) mě moje práce zavála do Brna. Jako vědec (molekulární biolog a biochemik) je dnes člověk vystaven častým změnám bydliště a prostředí a snad právě proto bych si rád dovolil krátce porovnat život zde, ve Vídni a v Praze.

Vídeň pravidelně vyhrává světové ankety o nejlepší místo k životu. Nemůžu sice vyloučit, že se někde žije ještě lépe, ale z vlastní zkušenosti mohu vysoký standard potvrdit. A kde vězí pravidelný úspěch tohoto města? Já bych na přední místa umístil skvělou infrastrukturu, rozumné náklady na bydlení (byť i zde je patrný nárůst poslední dobou), dobré pracovní příležitosti a mnoho možností, jak strávit volný čas (od kulturních akcí po nedaleké Alpy). Vídeň vlastně ani není moc hezké město, ale vyváženou kombinací výše zmíněných věcí skutečně utváří skvělé místo pro práci a pro život.

Musím říct, že jsem byl nejprve k stěhování do Brna lehce skeptický a moc jsem nevěděl, co od toho očekávat. Rychle ale zjišťuji, že mnoho kvalit, které jsem si cenil na Vídni, platí i zde. Především pro mě byla velmi příjemným překvapením úroveň Masarykovy Univerzity a skutečně světový standard zdejšího výzkumu. Množství zahraničních studentů a pracovníků dodává Brnu (pro mě zprvu nečekaný) mezinárodní ráz. Dalším obrovským plusem je spolehlivá a relativně levná hromadná doprava, pěkné historické centrum a spousta příležitostí k společenskému vyžití. Také okolní příroda má co nabídnout, byť mi trochu chybí blízkost opravu vysokých hor.

Abych jenom nechválil, tak také trochu kritiky. Dost mě zarazily náklady na bydlení v Brně. I se slušným platem nemá člověk zrovna lehký výběr bytu k pronájmu, natož ke koupi. Pokud srovnáme průměrné mzdy, tak se ve Vídni dá bydlet levněji než v Brně. Za další velký problém považuji špatný stav silnic (a s ním spojené neustálé uzavírky na hlavních přivaděčích do města) a nedostatek záchytných parkovišť, které by pomáhaly odklonit dopravu z centra. Například i zde na univerzitním kampuse je to současné každý den zoufale přeplněné.

Závěrem bych rád dodal, že jsem v Brně moc spokojen a jsem rád, že jsem mu dal přednost před návratem do Prahy. Tamní kvalita života šla bohužel díky bezprecedentnímu přívalu turistů (především těch přivábených levným alkoholem) a vymknutým cenám bydlení výrazně dolů. Doufám, že něco podobného zde nehrozí a Brno si udrží současný moc přívětivý ráz."
2,67216,2019-12-09T19:06:58.204Z,12140,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,67169,anon3353600255,anon3336612682,"Ahoj, díky moc za sdílení názoru. Já doufám, že Praha bude brzy zase více user-friendly. S kvalitou tamní Univerzity je to v mnoha oborech teda fakt, dost se to proslýchá. Je taky pravda, že jsem dlouhou dobu nevěděl (ehm..Pražák:), že Brno má skutečně pěkné a zachovaké historické centrum. Od mnoha lid ze zahraničí, kteří se tam dostali jsem zaznamenal obdobně přívětivé dojmy na první pohled. No a infrastrukturní problémy jsou takový evergreen snad skoro všech větších českých měst -- nebo znáte nějaké vyjímečné případy? Já mám osobní zkušenost akorát s Pardubicemi, kde je podpora cyklodopravy asi tak o 40 let napřed před Prahou (i když je to placka, tak má určitou startovní výhodu) a nebáli se uzavřít podstatnou část centra města pro autodopravu, čímž vznikla skutečně pěkná zóná volného pohybu lidských bytostí na Třídě míru. V Praze se pořád dá projet autem po Staroměstském náměstí:)"
3,67229,2019-12-10T06:17:30.473Z,12140,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,67169,anon4241195410,anon3336612682,"anon3336612682e:) diky za prispevek, jsem desne rad (az se dmu pychou), ze se ti u nas tak libi - i u nas v praci i u nas v Brne:) Myslim, ze s infrastrukturou jsi uderil hrebicek na hlavicku ...a o cenach bydleni - skoda mluvit, je to blazinec. Kdovi, kde se ty ceny zastavi. 

Co jsem jeste zpozoroval ja behem toho, co jsem byl ve Vidni, tak to, ze se Brno hodne zalidnilo a trochu se zvedla hladina kolektivniho stresu. Vec, kterou jsem nemel rad na Praze - takovy kolektivni spech a vypeti na hranici emocionalniho kolapsu. To tu driv nebylo, rekl bych. Ale je to asi dan za urcity ekonomicky vzestup. Kazdopadne Brno se zacina dostavat na hranu svojich kapacit - infrastruktura, uz zminovane bydleni, ale i MHD a nebo urady. A v budovani infrastruktury Cesko fakt neoslnuje...tak uvidime, kam se Brno posune. Snad nejakym rozumnym smerem."
1,66907,2019-12-04T18:19:08.258Z,12105,0,11,10,4,0,0,37.2,66907,anon677212598,anon677212598,"<image here> 
 

Pozdrav svima!

Verujem da je dosta vas upoznato bar malo sa radom Učeničkih srednjoškolskih parlamenata. Od nihovog nastanaka, daleke 2003. godine, ako me ne vara utisak ta se inicijativa tadašnje vlade/ministarstva nije uopšte razvila. Sva ministarstva do sada se uporno ne bave ovom temom, kao ni mnogim drugim bitnim temama na žalost. 
Đački parlament jeste zamišljen ka pravi mali parlament gde učenici biraju svoje predstavnike koji će se baviti detekcijom i rešavanjem da li školskih da li nekih lokalnih/društvenih problema. Iskustvo rada u grupi, kreativna komunikacija, odgovornost, poverenje i solidarnost su dobrobiti koje đaci mogu da iskuse u tom vremenskom periodu. Time bi se generacije po završetku školovanja osnažile za društveni aktivizam i profesoinalne karijere. Naravno, generacije učenika bi razumele načine donošenja odluka i samu suštinu demokratski uređenog društva. 
Šta je ideja? 
Već sam imao kontakt (doduše pre 2 godine) sa gimnazojm Branko Radičević u Staroj Pazovi kojoj se dopala ideja, te sam 2 puta prisustvovao sednicama Parlamenta, obavio nekoliko razgovora sa pedagogom i profesorima. Radili smo i neku anketu... Sve u svemu, ljudi su voljni za saradnju.
Ideja:
 - izraditi platformu (sličnu ovoj) gde će moći da se glasa o pojedinim predlozima i gde se takođe javno sučeljavaju mišljenja i predlozi, problemi, ideje... To treba dobro smisliti i sa tehničke strane, mislim programerske. Taj deo ne razumem baš. :slight_smile: 
  - kroz edukaciju (recimo neke radionice) i rasprave i na sednicama i preko platforme, doći do nekog modela kako da funkcioniše Parlament. Kako se predlog stavlja na dnevni red? Koja je procedura do glasanja? Ko i kako se uključuje u akcije koje hoće da  se realizuju? Koje sve odbore/organe treba da ima Parlament? Da li treba neki krući model organizovanja ili nešto kao ""lean"" struktura? To treba rešavati i pre i za vreme trajanja projekta.
   - Omogućiti učenicima da se bave nekim socijalnim preduzetništvom ili bilo kakvim preduzetništvom bi bilo veoma dobro. Od ekologije do IT-a. 

 Ovo je u grubim crtama i ostavljeno je dosta prostora za konkretizaciju.
Kome je interesantna tema neka piše i pita šta god, pošto ne bih sad od jednom sve da ispucam.  ;)"
2,67061,2019-12-06T10:22:53.454Z,12105,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,66907,anon2614214130,anon677212598,"Odlicne ideje! 
Smatram da je jako vazno malde ukljuciti u zajednice. Dati im na znacaju, ne znam da li ista bitnije postoji, pogotovo ovde u Srbiji.
Vazno je da znamo da su profesori i ostali u skoli voljni da im pomognu i ucestvuju u svemu ovome.
Jel znas jos neke ljude iz Stare Pazove koji bi voleli da ucestvuju u ovome? Kako da ih dovedemo ovde u diskusiju pa da vidimo kako i sta dalje?"
3,67188,2019-12-09T13:58:25.682Z,12105,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,66907,anon677212598,anon677212598,"U suštini ideja je gotova tj. razložena na aktivnosti i rokove. Malo je specična jer npr. mora da počne sa realizacijom za vreme leta kako bi rad sa učenicima počeo u septembru. Više puta sam je pisao u vidu predloga projekta sa nekoliko izmena zavisno od visine traženih sredstava i donatora. Na žalost ništa... 
Da postoje ljudi sa kojim bih nešto radio u lokalu ne bih ovo pisao ovde, elda? ;)
@anon4025559169 i @anon3346229079 su izrazili zainteresovanost za ideju, te bih sa njima nastavio konkretniji razgovor na teme potencijalnih donatora i veličine granta, nosioca projekta, izrade aplikacije i dinamike i načina sprovođenja aktivnosti.
Ovde slobodno kome je interesantna tema neka piše bilo šta što ima veze sa srednjoškolskim obrazovanjem, pa diskusija može da ide u nekom pravcu. :slight_smile:"
1,67024,2019-12-05T16:55:53.923Z,12125,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,67024,anon1715152140,anon1715152140,"Před necelým měsícem proběhla v Brně skvělá akce- hacanon3213561856hon o dostupném bydlením s názvem Bydlení je právo! Měla jsem tu čest být součástí této akce, a to rovnou v roli organizátorky. Společně s lidmi z Mladých zelených jsme zajišťovali vše od komunikace s účastníky a účastnicemi, pronájmu místa, přes zajištění jídla, ubytování, až po takové maličkosti jako fixy a flipcharty.
A kdo vlastně jsou Mladí zelení ? A jak jsem se k nim dostala ?
Je to lehce přes rok, co mě mí kamarádi pozvali na schůzi ostravských Mladých zelených. Poznali jsme se skrz dobrovolnictví v Greenpeace a když jsem se ptala, kdo vlastně vlastně jsou Mladí zelení, řekli jenom ,,Bude se ti to líbit."" A měli pravdu. 
Na již výše zmíněné schůzi jsem se totiž stala členkou nezávislého spolku zabývajícího se jak enviromentálními, tak sociálními problémy. Většina organizaci se angažuje pouze v jedné z těchto dvou oblastí, což mi přijde jako strašně nevyužitý potenciál, neboť tyto dvě roviny od sebe nelze oddělit. V tom vidím naši největší přednost.
A co vlastně kromě schůzování děláme ? Od přednášek po demošky. Vše, co se nám líbí a vše, proti čemu se chceme vymezit."
2,67120,2019-12-07T10:04:03.980Z,12125,0,4,3,1,0,0,20.8,67024,anon3353600255,anon1715152140,"Ahoj,  díky, že sis k nám našla cestu, rádi se dozvíme o dalších aktivitách a nápadech, které souvisí nejen s problematikou bydlení, ale i dalšími zásaadními tématy."
3,67151,2019-12-08T13:46:28.926Z,12125,0,3,2,1,0,0,20.6,67024,anon4241195410,anon1715152140,"Díky, Sáro, za příspěvek i za to, že jste mě jako organizátoři vzali/y mezi sebe. bylo to příjemné a snad jsem k tomu taky dokázal trochu přispět.

Jinak Sára dělala fotky z Hacanon3213561856honu - kromě panelovky. Brzo je sem zkusím dát. Nezvládl jsem je stáhnout a teď se k nim nemůžu dostat - protože fotograf Pavel je teď na natáčení v Nepálu:)"
1,65775,2019-11-25T21:49:07.477Z,11914,0,18,17,15,0,0,153.6,65775,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"
**Tamara**

Dobrodoslica svim clanovima i zhvaljanon598341349je sto su tu od Tamare kao organizatora ove radionice. Trenutno radimo na predstavljanju EdgeRyders organizacije u Srbiji i okupljanju ljudi u zajednicu koja je voljna da radi zajedno na postizanju blagostanja.

Poenta price ove radionice jeste da nas ima, da radimo zajedno, da se udruzimo.


**Jasen** je konektor EdgeRydersa za Srbiju.

Jasen je preduzetnik, zivi u Briselu, radi sve stvari koje ga cine srecnim a to je kad su korisne za druge ljude. EdgeRyders mu je izuzetno iskustvo i ostao je s njima jer su sinhronizovani oko ekolokskih, tehnoloskih stvari ali najvaznije jer su drustveni preduzetnici.

Pricao je o tome kako izaci iz komfor zone. Neki projekti poput organizacija dogadjaja za gamere koji su neka vrsta partyja su zahtevali mnogo truda a nisu uspeli. Bilo je dosta gresaka. Onda je bio spreman posle nekog vremena da prica o tome, jer je to pravljenje gresaka taboo tema.

Sve na platformi EdgeRyders je transparentno, javno. Svako moze da vidi ko je sta radio, kad je radio itd. To mu je vrlo osvezavajuce. Veruje da svako moze da doprinese na svoj nacin.


**anon2649858692mi** ce pricati na engleskom ali svako moze da odgovori na svom jeziku.

anon2649858692mi dolazi sa interneta. Community builder i menadzer dugo vremena. Iz Rumunije, preselila se u Brusel. U Strazburu je srela svoje co-foundere EdgeRyders-a nakon zavrsetka social studies.

Bilo joj je inspunjavajuce da radi na drustvenim promenama i da zivi od toga.

Edukacija ne sprema za pravi posao, ali to sto mozemo da izmislimo svoj posao i to radimo joj je bilo vrlo uzbudljivo.

EdgeRyders je ono sto ljudi zele da naprave od toga, jer je vrlo povezan i fluidan.
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**Igrica upoznavanja ucesnika** 15min

Pitanja se pitaju, jedna strana je No, druga je Yes, izmedju je “mozda”.

Pitanje: Da li si mladji od 30 godina?

Jedna osoba mladja od 20, ima 16 godina, anon3218287029 iz Krusevca.

P: Da li si iz Beograda?

Indjija, Krusevac, Uzice, Mostar, Loznica, Vukovar, Novi Sad, Nomad/Apache...

P: Da li znas vise od 3 osobe ovde?

Dosta ljudi je saradjivalo sa Marka Zvaka (Dusan & Dusan)

P: Da li putujes vise od 3 puta godisnje u intostranstvo?

50-50

P: Da li se smatrate stvaraocem zajednica?

Vecina kaze da

P: Delom kojih zajednica ste?

Primeri - vezana za reke, alternativni kulturni centar Gnezdo u Krusevcu...

P: Da li se osecati kao da ste drugaciji od drugih ljudi oko vas, normal vs crazy

Ljudi se izmesali, rasprava oko znacenja pitanja npr da li smes da pricas o svojim strastima i interesovanjima, npr anon2649858692mi u Rumuniji se osecala drugacije od ostalih kada bi pricala o zajednicama ali onda je nasla svoj bubble u okruzenju.

P: Da li vas je skola spremila za danasnjicu i zivot?

Dosta ljudi reklo ne, Tihana rekla Da, bavi se umetnoscu, srecna je u zivotu.

Takodje umetnik, programer se javio-Luka.

Ostali rekli ne

P: Da li ste napisali svoju pricu na EdgeRyders platformi do sada?

Pola-pola

P: Da li razumete o cemu se radi u EdgeRydersima i Wellbeing in Europe?

Vecina kaze ne, anon2649858692mi/Jasen su rekli da i  Tamara je negde u sredini.

anon2649858692mi - Prezentacija o EdgeRydersu
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(Videti slajdove)

Tamara: Iako je konfuzno, ovo je proces, da nadjemo nesto sto mozemo da radimo svi zajedno.

anon2649858692mi: Zelimo da vidimo ko bi sta da uradi a ne moze sam trenutno.

Jasen: Primer iz Beceja. Neko je rekao “Hajde da napravimo radionicu i da radimo sa socijalnim centrom i opstinom, jer ovde ima mnogo vandalizma”. Da mladi rade rukama na projektima,, nauce nesto, osecaju se korisnim, da vide uzrok/posledicu i  da se ne radi na kaznjavanju nego kroz nesto konstruktivno i kreativno. Jasen je integrisao stvari koje je znao iz makers community-ja i preneo je dole.

A sad, prvi govornik...\
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**Uros Banjesevic, Madhead Games**

Dolazi iz gaming industrije.

Ljudske interakcije i komunikacija su mu deo posla.

Pricace o 10 nekih kljucnih momenata gde su interakcija i komunikacije bile bitne.

**1)** Kad je bio klinac shvatio je da mora da ima sta da kaze. Kako mozes da doprineses svetu oko sebe?
1- Da imas analiticki pristup i kazes ovo ne funkcionise i ovde moze nesto da se popravi ili 2-kreativno da prisupis i kazes ovde nesto nedostaje, ali nadjimo resenje

**2)** O medijumu. Mozda neko muca pa je crtanje dobar medijum. Trazio je svoje medijume komunikacije i onda je i verbalna komunikacija postala laksa.

**3)** Kad postanes dobar u necemu pocnes da privlacis i druge ljude koji su dobri u necemu drugom. Stvara se bubble ljudi. Okruzanon598341349je ljudima koji iskoriste svaki momenat da nauce nesto jedni druge.

**4)** Iz grupe ljudi koji su nesto stvarali zajedno, prelazak komunikacije iz “ja pa ja pa ja” u to da zaista iskomuniciras i zainteresujes ostalu trojicu ljudi za neki zajednicki cilj.

**5)** Kad je otvorio firmu kako sad na tom nivou pricati, stvaranje empatije i motivacije sa zaposlenima. Komunikacija sa kolegama.

**6)** Firma raste. Skroz drugacija komunikacija u 4 zida i onda kada te neko vidi jednom dnevno na kratko. Preko 170 ljudi zaposljava, ekosistem komunikacije je drugaciji u takvoj sredini.

**7)**: Dobili su neku madjunarodnu nagradu. Fokus na komunikaciju kao edukaciju drugih ljudi, cesto van firme. Vezano za entrepreneurship, gaming, …

**8)** Nakon nagrada dolazi do vise saradnje sa strancima i najvecim svetskim gaming kucama. Izgradnja partnerskih odnosa gde nijedna strana nije podredjena, terate jedni druge da budete najbolji.

**9)** Fokus na slobodno vreme. Kad si vlasnik mozes sam sebi da odredis kojih 16h dnevno ces da radis :) van posla, fokus na hobije, doprinos tome da bude kvalitetan sagovrnik i u tim pricama.
**10)** Porodica, od skoro ozenjen, to je posebna komunikacija u partnerskim odnosima, ne prepustanju slucaju i ne uzimanju svari zdravo za gotovo.

Jedanaesti momenat: Community, rad sa Vladom Srbije, Apple - gaming zajednica, da ljudi iz Sonyja ne moraju da krijumcare uredjaje u Srbiju, da PayPal normalno funkcionise, otvaranje hub-ova, komunikacija sa drzavom sa jedne strane a sa druge strane role model nekim klincima. Stanje u preduyetnistvu u Srbiji.

Q&A
**Pitanje o pausalcima i porezima.** Postojanje subvencija. Tehnicki podaci.

**Pitanje o nivou fluktuacije ljudi u firmi**. Vrlo malo odlaze. Malo su kao sekta. Ima puno ljubavnih trouglova, cetvorouglova. Ljudi se osecaju kao da su na fakultetu samo su placeni za to. Ne bi ni voleo da se ljudi ususkaju previse. Koliko iz toga proisticu neki blistavi primeri, toliko i postoji i neki rep ljudi koji ne odlaze, postoji rizik da se to pretvori u drzavni posao, tako da je niska fluktuacija mac sa dve ostrice.

**Velika firma je preko 150 ljudi tako da izlazi iz domena plemena. Sta uraditi po pitanju ovog? Organizaciona resenja, kadrovska?**

Uros prica o binarnosti stvari i spektru stvari. “Da li bi da firma bude kao sportski tim ili kao porodica?” Tesko je binarno odgovoriti. Ali poenta je pravljenju arshina koji pravi neki balans i uzima aspekte sa razlicitih krajeva spektra.
Pruziti sansu ljudima, Vecina interkacija nije korisna. Ali dovoljna je ta jedna da promeni tok stvari u zivotu.Uros ima visoke standarde i voli da prica sa ljudima kao da umeju da rade stvari.
Preporucuje pricanje sa sto vise ljudi i dopustanju da se desi sto vise stvari.

**Pitanje o igricama i kako gleda na uticaj igara, na decu i tako to.**

Dosta je o roditeljima. Dete zaplace i roditelj mu da telefon u ruke i pusti Pepu Prase.Kao i sve ostalo, doci ce nam glave ako preterujemo o tome.Ali razvijaju kognitivne sposobnosti i kreativnosti. 
**Diskusija o stetnosti video igara.**

**Pitanje o tome koliko uziva u igricama ili to gleda uglavnom profesionalno?**

Igra svako vece sa drustvom i dere se i obozava igre!Kancelarija mu je prepuna igracaka.
Nervira ga tako kad igra pucacinu pa stane u cosak da vidi kako je to profesionalno uradjeno.

**Pitanje o tome kad bi pravio nekomercijalnu igricu, sta bi pravio?**

Lako ga je zainteresovati ga za kvalitetne stvari.. Potpuno mu je nebitno da li je nesto komercijalno ako je kvalitetno.Koliko god da ga nesto ne interesuje kad pocne da postavlja pitanja i interesuje se odmah mu pada na pamet kako to da se uradi bolje i optimizuje.
Jedna je ta umetnicka stvar o svetu o kome je kroz zivot mastao.
Druga stvar jeste malo komercijalna ali ne zato sto je komercijalna nego zato sto bi voleo da je uradi visoko kvalitetno.


-Dusan prica o odluci da li da detetu od 6 godina uzme tablet i dilemi o uticaju toga na nju.
Tablet je hipnoticka stvar.
I pre tableta je isto bilo sa crtacima. Uros je kao klinac gledao Gulivera na repeat iako nije znao engleski.
Deca masovno ne citaju, jer ne moraju da citaju, jer su non stop na telefonima
“Svi su na tabletima a ja njima moram na tabli da objasnjavam, imaju paznju 5min”

**Sa koliko informacija barataju danas klinci u odnosu na nase roditelje?**

Dosta se skroluje, paznju privuku junk informacije.
Predivno je sto na Youtube mozes da vidis bilo sta o bio cemu.
Ali greska moze da bude sto ljudi misle da znaju nesto o tome zato sto su videli dve stvari na Youtubeu
Od “kakvo ce vreme biti sutra” do toga “koja je 4. zena henrija osmog” -> o internetu i moru informacija
Knjiga je bila jedini medijum, sad postoje mnogi drugi medijumi koji su dostupni.
Knjiga je jednosmerna, kao i TV, nema sad da ti nju menjas. Sa igricama postoji interakcija. Samo je pitanje koliko su kvalitetne informacije.
Keva je pocela da koristi internet umesto TVa jer TV njoj kaze sta ona da gleda a na internetu ona bira, prati svoja interesovanja. Interesuje je “basta” i ukuca i onda gleda to umesto da joj budu servirane infromacije.

-Taanon88457678 cerka je naucila da pise i to sa 5 godina da bi mogla da bira sta gleda na youtube, nije bila zadovoljna time sto joj je servirano.
Dusanov klinac drugi razred je prijavio da ume da prilagodi svoj video da bude 480p.

**(Pauza za rucak)**
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**Ucesnici se dele u 3 grupe i diskutuju medju sobom.**

**1.Kako koristiti zajednicu za ostvarenje projekta**
@anon2378345037 @anon
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Gradjenjem kolektivne inteligencije i upotrebom volje za saradnju, razumevanje i poanon1547754019nje. Pogotovo gradjenjem zajednice sa razlicitim profilima, sto profesionalnim, sto karakternim.

**2.Kako da koristimo zajednice da unapredimo kvalitet zivota**
@anon1541706549 @anon677212598 @anon2294683781 @anon4025559169 @anon2614214130      
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Razvijanjem svesti o aktivnostima van radnog vremena kao i deljenje informacija o sirokom opsegu istih,  kao i o nacinu na koji ovakve aktivnosti umanjuju stres a povecavaju produktivnost.


**3.Drugaciji nacin registrovanja.**
@anon4101051500 @anon2446385507 @anon2253786610 @anon1929406342    
 Novina je da se postavljaju 4 pitanja pri samoj registraciji i odgovorima na ista automatski je postavljena prica na EdgeRyders platformi. Korisnik automatski dobija mail putem kog kasnije moze da koriguje odgovore-pricu.
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**Ivan Djuric, Inicijativa mladih za ljudska prava**
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@anon4025559169, Aktivista za ljudska prava i mir u svijetu, muzicar.

Mladi ljudi, edemokratske promjene, regionalna saradnja.
Kako mi kao pojedinci tretiramo ljudska prava u srbiji i sta mozemo da uradimo po tom pitanju.
Stanje ljudskih prava u srbiji je daleko bolje nego sto je nama stalo.
Cudo je da nam je toliko dobro, koliko prosjecnog covjeka nije briga za ljudska prava.O ljudskim pravima razmisljamo samo kad smo mi ili neko do koga nam je stalo ugrozen.
Pricali smo o radnickim pravima pola sata u okviru grupe ali smo pricali o tome kako unaprediti nekom zivot da mu bude bolje(osvrtanje na prethodni segment radionice).
Doduse postoji neki minimum, taj neki minimum koji svaki covjek treba da ima su osnovna ljudska prava.

Q&A
**Zasto kod nas nisu dovoljno razvijena ljudska prava?**

Nemamo osnovne uslove ni strukturu, nema ni sindianon3213561856a koji je nezavistan.
Ljudi misle da nam zapad silom nalaze agendu ljudskih prava, mi doduse svakako idemo tim putem a zapad samo zeli da mi ubrzamo taj proces.

**Dozivotna robija bez mogucnosti pomilovanja**

Postoji grupa ljudi koji su bili protiv tog zakona ali u citavoj diskusiji se nigde nije cuo njihov glas, dok su novine bile pune prica o drugoj strani koja je bila za dozivotnu.
Postoji neki moralni kod koji nalaze da se mi postaramo da nevin covjek ne zavrsi na elektricnoj stolici. Bolje 20 krivih na slobodi nego jedan nevin osudjen na smrt.
Svaki covjek ima osnovna ljudska prava, cak i oni koje mrzimo, silovatelji, ubice itd.

**Primjer Norvezana:** 20 god max kazna zatvora, moze da se produzi za jos malo ako poces rehabilitacije jos traje i nije zavrsen. Cak i poslje Breivika , oni taj zakon nisu promjenili i gleda se da se takvi ljudi rehabilituju a ne da se zaborave u zatvoru pod maksimalnom zastitom da ih svijet vise nikad ne vidi.

Najvaznija stvar je stvaranje grupa i poslje spajanje tih grupa, tako se organizuju ljudi i predstavljaju mocan entitet koji konkretno moze da napravi neke promjene

Ljudi misle da su nemocni, osjecaju se odvojeni od svih i ne zele preuzeti rizik, izaci iz svoje komfort zone. Ljudi vise vole da gledaju druge nego sebe. Ne pitaju se “sta ja imam od moci i resorsa, sta ja mogu da uradim, kako mogu da pomognem”.

**Da li postoji lak nacin da se saznaju ljudska prava?** 
Mnogi bi da ih znaju ali ako treba da citaju strane i strane teksta onda odustanu brzo. Da li postoji serija online videa koji ljudima objasnjavaju ljudska prava.
Postoji mini serijal gdje poznate licnosti u videima od 5 min pricaju o ljudskim pravima

Tesko je danas biti aktivista, osudjanon598341349 si, tucen si, kaznjavan na razne nacine...i familija te se odrice.

Kad se gleda zvanicni narativ diplomatije zemalja bivse Jugoslavije, izgleda kao da postoje razne paralelne stvarnosti i da bilo koja od tih moze da se desi i da cak izgleda logicno. Iako su one medjusobno sizofrene u neku ruku...suprotne.

E cilj je da nasa stvarnost pobijedi, da pojede ostale stvarnosti.

**Dusan i Dusan, Marka Zvaka**
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@anon1541706549 
Mi provodimo veliki dio vremena sa ljudima na marginama drustva. Kamera je neka vrsta barijere ili medijuma izmedlju tih ljudi i nas. Gledajuci ih kroz objektiv, njihove teske price ne uticu toliko jako na nas. Mi smo glumac i alkoholni tehnicar, ujedno smo i novinari. To cime se mi bavimo nema stabilne i redovne prihode. Zato nam je jako tesko funkcionisati, nemamo finansijsku sigurnost i moramo da radimo po 4 posla da bi se odrzali.

Najvise nam vremena nam oduzimaju drustvene mreze, na sve strane smo i da bi zadrzali komunikaciju sa svim tim ljudima na razlicitim mrezama mi trosimo izuzetno puno vremena.
Dobili smo predlog da uzmemo nekoga da radi samo na pola radnom vremena, studenta koji bi bio voljan da radi tako nesto. Idealno on bi se brinuo za sve drustvene medije.

Kroz svaku mrezu se komunicira na drugi nacin, u drugoj formi. Sve se pojednostavljuje, na drustvenim mrezama su informacije koje se sire sve krace. Mi titlamo klipove zato sto oko 70% svih klipova se gledaju bez zvuka. Velika razlika sad u komunikaciji sa nasim gledaocima je da sad oni nama javljaju sta bi mogli da uradimo i puni su ideja.

Mi stalno ucimo nove stvari, nove aparate, nove programe...potrebno je konstantno uciti. Mi ne volimo bas drustvene mreze ali mladi koriste najvise drustvene mreze.

Jako je lijep efeanon3213561856 kad tako ljudi koji su nesrecni ili u teskoj situaciji zbog toga sto su bili u nasem klipu budu srecniji zato sto njihova okolina to sazna i onda ih gledaju u drugacijem svijetlu. To i nas usrecava, da vidimo pozitivne efekte nasih klipova.

Najvazniji su pozitivni prakticni primjeri, a ne da se zalimo u nasim klipovima. Vazno je pokazati ljudima sta moze da se uradi tako da se mi fokusiramo na svijetle primjere a ne na kukanje. Svako moze da se zali i toga vec ima previse oko nas.
Q&A
**Kako izgleda proces iza kamera? Pre i posle emitovanja.**
Obicno nas ljudi kontaktiraju i onda odlucujemo da li cemo praviti reportazi ili ne. Dosta puta se desi da bismo voleli da i posle emitovanja ponovo snimimo iste ucesnike da vidimo sta se kasnije desilo. Nekada to i uradimo, ali u principu se retko vracamo dva puta na istu pricu.
**Da li vam se desilo da vas zovu da snimate nesto ali da je to ipak previse bizarno ili naporno?**
Pozvani smo da snimimo tacno mesto gde se kanalizacija uliva u reku. Verovatno cemo ici ali nam se ne ide da se vozimo kroz smrad i uzas.

**Zakljucak:**

**Moglo bi se reci da nije bilo glavne teme oko koje su se ljudi okupili i oko koje su diskutovali. Ipak je ovo bilo prvo okupljanje oko platforme EgdeRyders i ljudi su uglavnom dosli da vide o cemu se radi. Teme su se uglavnom ticale situacije u zemlji, opste i sire teme. Dotakli smo se preduzetnistva u Srbiji, ljudskih prava, stresa na radnim mestima i mentaliteta koji ne podrzava promene i rizike.**

**Osecalo se da su prisutni ljudi sa nekom slicnom energijom i vizijom. Slicnih interesovanja, obrazovanja, oni koji su malo misfits u svojoj okolini. Stekao se utisak kao da se svi od ranije poznaju(iako nije bio taj slucaj) jer je atmosfera bila opustena, sa smehom, svi su ucestvovali i svi su imali sansu da se izraze i obrate, diskutuju i postavljaju pitanja.**

**Komunikacija je bila tecna, jednostavna i jasna. Deluje kao da su svi zaista zeleli da budu tu, kao da je odradjena dobra selekcija ucesnika a zapravo su se ljudi sami selektovali.**

**Slozili su se mnogi da je ovakva vrsta radionice nesto sasvim novo i drugacije u odnosu na one koje se obicno desavaju po Beogradu i Srbiji.**

Pozivamo sve clanove na platformi koji su ucestvovali na radionici da daju svoj komentar o radionici i da stave do znanja sta su naucili i kakav utisak je sve ovo ostavilo na njih.

Znaci nam svaki feedback da bismo sledeci event jos vise prilagodili zajednici i ucinili ga zanimljivijim i korisnijim.

Hvala svima koji su ucestvovali!"
2,65908,2019-11-26T17:02:45.844Z,11914,0,5,4,0,0,0,16.0,65775,anon2446385507,anon2614214130,"@anon2614214130 thank you! 
It would be better if the post is a bit edited- it's very long and hard to read:

For example Uros's 10 points can be listed like this:

1. List item

1. List item

And when there is a question - make it in Bold text and then provide a clearer answer. Example:

**If you were making a non-commercial game, what would you do?**

It is easy to be interested in quality things ... It is completely irrelevant if something is commercial if it is quality. As much as he is not interested in asking questions and is interested, he immediately thinks of how to do better and optimize. One is that artistic thing about a world he has longed for throughout his life. The other thing is a little commercial, but not because it is commercial, but because you would like to make it high quality.

See? 1 paragraph instead of 5 lines. It's more cohesive.
The breakout sessions are not documented enough, so better to provide 1 clear answer summarizing what was discussed.

Please ping those you mention in the post : when you mention Uros just @anon"
3,65987,2019-11-27T10:32:39.953Z,11914,1,13,12,1,0,0,57.6,65775,anon2378345037,anon2614214130,"Ispostavilo se da već poznajem dosta učesnika radionice, bila je prijateljska atmosfera. . Najzanimljivije mi je možda bilo čuti iskustva sa terena malih aktivističkih organizacija iz unutrašnjosti, kao što je anon1097276766, zato što se prilike znatno razlikuju izmedju glavnog grada i ostatka zemlje. Koliko god mi izbor predavača bio interesantan što je raznolik, možda mi se čini da je bio i previše raznolik. Istina je da su svi učesnici radionice bili aktivni i zbog toga sam stekla utisak da bi radionica mogla da traje i dva dana, znam da sam ja imala dodatnih pitanja nakon što su mi se, uveče, slegli utisci."
4,66019,2019-11-27T14:47:36.118Z,11914,0,14,13,1,0,0,22.8,65987,anon2446385507,anon2378345037,"Heelo @anon2378345037 ! Bilo je super upoznati vas!
Ako biste odabrali temu za naredni događaj 2020. godine, koji aspekt od svih onih o kojima ste razgovarali je najrelevantniji za vaš rad? Kako biste to učinili da budete vrlo efikasni u pružanju podrške učesnicima?"
5,66084,2019-11-27T22:03:46.354Z,11914,2,14,13,1,0,0,62.8,65775,anon677212598,anon2614214130,"Pozdrav svima!
Bilo je u najmanju ruku zanimljivo. :slight_smile: Slažem se da događaji mogu da traju duže i da budu usmereni na jednu ili dve teme. 
Sa Jasenom i Ivanom sam pričao o nerazvijenosti srednjoškolskih parlamenata i kako niko ne radi ništa po tom pitanju. Mislim da je svima jasno koliko je bitno da se iskustva aktivizma, donošenja odluka i saradnje zarad sveopšte dobrobiti dožive u što ranijem dobu.
Uskoro ćemo otvoriti tu temu, pa će svako moći da se uključi, komentariše i predlaže.
Za sada toliko.

Kuckamo i gledamo!"
6,66145,2019-11-28T11:03:24.874Z,11914,0,13,12,2,0,0,42.6,66084,anon3346229079,anon677212598,"Vazna tema i jako zanimljiva, cekam otvaranje :wink:"
7,66238,2019-11-28T17:08:27.528Z,11914,0,13,12,2,0,0,27.6,66084,anon2614214130,anon677212598,"Vrlo mi je interesantno sto mislite da je moglo jos da traje a mi smo se bas brinuli da je obrnuto :slight_smile:
Svidja mi se to!
Evo i ja cekam tu zanimljivu temu! Treba nam nesto konkretno oko cega cemo da se okupimo i bas se radujem da se iznesu ideje."
8,66502,2019-11-30T21:03:48.693Z,11914,4,11,10,1,0,0,87.2,65775,anon1097276766,anon2614214130,"Pozdrav svima. 
Pre svega još jednom se izvinjavamo što smo otišli pre kraja radionice i iskreno možemo reći da smo uživali. Prvo jedna velika motivacija od ljudi koji su se tu pojavili. Saznanje da ima još onih koji razmišljaju proaktivno je ohrabrujuće. Mnogo smo toga naučili ali ono što bismo izdvojili jeste taj komunikacijski deo, i da se zapravo komunikacijom na više nivoa svaki izazov može prevazići. Ono što mislimo jeste da bi se nekoliko dobrih i korisnih projeanon3213561856a moglo stvoriti u okviru ove zajednice, zapravo i šire, ali mi zajedno bi bili oni koji su facilitatori, i ideje i promene. Tako da neka 2020. bude u znaku neke potencijalne saradnje da se iznese što više dobrih ideja na videlo."
9,66503,2019-12-01T08:43:59.085Z,11914,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,66502,anon2614214130,anon1097276766,"Otvaram šampanjac!!
Deluje da smo se dotakli svih tema i pomalo i zaboravili koja je bila glavna, tako da mi je drago da pominjete da ste ipak čuli i nešto zbog čega smo se okupili :)  Ipak nam je prvo okupljanje pa smo se više upoznavali.
Hvala vam! Pišite nam ovde na platformi o svojim idejama i projektima. Ovo nam je mesto okupljanja i komunikacije. Baš jedva čekam da čujem šta ste smislili.
Za vas ne sumnjam da imate ideja i da su korisne i plemenite."
10,66639,2019-12-02T13:16:11.978Z,11914,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,66502,anon2446385507,anon1097276766,Zdravo @anon1097276766! Koju vrstu saradnje biste želeli da isprobate? Možete li dati neke ideje? S Tamaru i Jasenom pravimo spisak i u januaru možemo odlučiti zajedno sa ostalim članovima.
11,66813,2019-12-03T17:51:12.229Z,11914,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,66502,anon3346229079,anon1097276766,"A nista, sljedeci put pozivamo vise mladih studentkinja pa cete valjda ostati do kraja :wink:

Kao sto je anon2649858692mi pitala, slobodno otvorite novu temu sa idejama za 2020. Siguran sam da imate kreativne ideje i bas sam radoznao :slight_smile:.

Pozdrav!"
12,67114,2019-12-06T19:02:20.035Z,11914,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,66502,anon1097276766,anon1097276766,"Ekipa, nismo Vas zaboravili nego čekamo da nam dođe jedna naša članica iz Kanade pa da zajedno promislimo dobro. 
U suštini mislimo da bi za početak morali da podelimo vizije i interesovanja sa svima i da vidimo šta je ono što nas povezuje u radu. U tom procesu će se sigurno odvojiti par grupa koje će se vezati oko isto toliko tema, i da to bude baza projektnog procesa iz kog bi svako izašao sa idejom kako da svoju strukturu načini održivom. Kapiramo da je svima cilj da naprave presedan i rade ovo što vole i da im to bude posao i zadovoljstvo u jednom. 
To je neki uvodni brejnstorm i nadam se da ćete nešto iz ovih nabacanih reči uspeti da izvučete jer smo u procesu kristalizacije svi  :smiley:
Š`a kažete?"
13,67126,2019-12-07T15:55:13.707Z,11914,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,67114,anon3346229079,anon1097276766,"Apsolutno, to je prvi korak i zato je odlicno sto stvaramo zajednicu i imamo proces ovakakav kakav je...to jest price ljudi u kojima oni kazu sta su im interesovanja, strast, kako mogu da doprinesu i ako imaku konkretne probleme na kojima bi da se radi."
1,67074,2019-12-06T13:26:46.646Z,12130,0,7,6,15,0,0,101.4,67074,anon226909340,anon226909340,"V České republice máme menší problém. Tak nějak jsme si zvykli házet vinu jinam než na nás samé, což způsobuje, že jako národ poněkud zaostáváme. Zažili jste to také určitě - ""Ujel mi autobus!"" nebo ""Nepovedlo se!"". Přijde mi, že český jazyk nabádá k tomu, aby člověk svojí vinu přisoudil spíše vnějším okolnostem než vlastnímu selhání.

No a jak se to projevuje ve větším měřítku? Můžeme třeba poukázat na to, že v Čechách chybí elita a ta, co se do této pozice staví teď, jsou spíše (j)elita. Vemte si, že máme sice demokraticky zvoleného premiéra, ale na druhou stranu je opět trestně stíhaný. Opozice sice je, ale celý svůj program staví na útocích na osobu premiéra a nic moc nový program nevymýšlí a ani neposkytuje (než je oprášení starých programů, na kterých ztroskotaly strany právě ve volbách, ve kterých zmíněný premiér vyhrál s 30% procenty). A proč tomu tady tak je a těch 30% má pořád (a myslím, že se to jen tak nezlepší?!), nehledě na to, že se scházíme na demonstracích, Evropská komise ho opětovně označuje za zločince a nic… Přijde mi, že je to právě kvuli tomu našemu ""Švejkismu"". Premiér to může nechat vyšumět do nicoty a opozice může sice nabádat, ať si tady uspořádáme Majdan, ale vzhledem k tomu, že naši zem Komunisti vyburcovali akorát tak ke zvonění klíčů, tak nějaký ""Skřetí král"" sedící na prameni v nás tu ""jiskru revoluce"" nezažhne - a další audit evidentně taky ne. A já tu nechci rozžhnout plamen hejtu, toho je v okolí spousta, spíš mi to rozum nebere (hele – i já to přisuzuju vnější okolnosti, asi je ten Švejk memento naší společnosti).

Ale obě strany mají jedno společné: hází vinu na druhé a sami se prezentují jako vůle boží s patentem na rozum a s čistým rejstříkem. Protože ono to přece nějak dopadne a dokud teče pivo v hospodách a večer na talíři je večere, tak svět nekončí. A my budeme moct dál házet vinu jinam než na sebe samé, když jsme k tomu tím naším jazykem tak trochu předurčeni, jak jsem psal na začátku. Nebo myslíte, že se v blízké budoucnosti něco změní? Vždyť musíme být světu a hlavně evropskejm kolegům totálně pro smích…"
2,67122,2019-12-07T10:27:31.576Z,12130,0,1,0,1,0,0,5.2,67074,anon3353600255,anon226909340,"Ahoj Petře, díky moc za příspěvek. Nadhodil jsi několik zásadních otázek, o některé z nich už jsme se tak trochu ""otřeli"". Myslím, že už se někde dokonce i ten švejkovský příměr objevil:). Tak strategie s nevystrkováním hlav a přečkáním může být založená určitou historickou zkušeností, ale v situaci, která by nás do toho nutila teď aktuálně nejsme, svůj názor člověk momentálně skutečně vyjádřit může. Panuje tu asi taková obecná myšlenka, že podniknout nějakou aktivitu navíc můžou jenom záškoláci, lidi co nemají co npráci nebo privilegovaní. Myslím si ale, že tomu tak pomalu přestává být. Když jsme byl teď na poslední velké akci v listopadu na Letné, rozhodně mě překvapilo, kdo všechno si tam naše cestu. Přijde mi, že klausovské popírání užitečnosti občasné společnosti z 90. let se vytrácí. Lidé prostě existují i v jiném prostoru než je práce a sezení doma u televize, nebo trávením času u koníčků. Abch tedy odpověděl, myslím, že tohleto negativní stigma lidí, kteří jsou aktivní i tím, že chtějí ovlivňovat veřejný prostor kolem sebe přibývá a kultura těhctlech aktivit se bude postupně rozvíjet a snad to povedem k pozitivním věcem."
1,66982,2019-12-05T13:03:07.833Z,12118,0,5,4,4,0,0,21.0,66982,anon2048560043,anon2048560043,"Cześć! Mam na imię anon2048560043, mam 32 lata, jestem kryminolożką. Od ponad 6 lat mieszkam w Londynie, gdzie skończyłam studia, przygarnęłam 3 koty i przez parę lat działałam w zarządzie londyńskiego okręgu partii Razem. Tu też wyszłam za mąż za ekstra Katalończyka o imieniu Pau. Pau po anon3213561856alońsku znaczy pokój. I tak właśnie się czuję odkąd wyjechałam z Polski - osiągnęłam wewnętrzny s(pokój).   

Kiedy wyjeżdżałam z Polski w 2013 roku wcale nie było mi strasznie źle. Miałam ok prace, fajne mieszkanie, grupę znajomych, małą świadomość polityczną i własnych przywilejów. Mieszkałam w Lublinie i powoli zaczynała mi doskwierać nuda, powtarzalność i przewidywalność mojego życia. Postanowiłam wyjechać. 

Kiedy mieszkałam w Polsce wydawało mi się, że moja ojczyzna to taki fajny europejski kraj, który w zasadzie nie różni się od Niemiec czy Francji. Wydawało mi się, że w Polsce każdy ma równe szanse, bo każdy jest odpowiedzialny za swój los i wychowana przez liberalnych rodziców świat dzieliłam na “nieudaczników” i ludzi sukcesu. Dziś wiem jak bardzo nie anon1235093333łam racji. Dopiero kiedy poznałam inny kraj, ludzi z innymi doświadczeniami i z innych kręgów kulturowych zauważyłam jak hermetycznym środowiskiem jest Polska. Jak bardzo byłam zamknięta, nieświadoma i zwyczajnie niewyedukowana społecznie. 

  Od lat obserwuje sytuację w Polsce głównie przez internet. Wiem, ze nie jest to realny obraz, jednak obraz ten jest bardzo niepokojący. W mojej internetowej bańce znajomych, którzy mają podobne poglądy i często wyrażają swoje niezadowolenie i oburzenie sytuacją w kraju brakuje tych rodaków, którzy mają poglądy skrajnie inne. Mimo, że w trosce o siebie staram się nie czytać komentarzy w internecie, czasem nie da się tego uniknąć. Jest to dla mnie zawsze szokujące jak bardzo nasycone nienawiścią, homo i transfobią, seksizmem i rasizmem są to komentarze. Nie mogę zrozumieć z jaką łatwością przychodzi ludziom zmieszać kogoś z błotem, z powodu, który, gdyby mieli choć odrobine empatii, zupełnie przestałby istnieć.

Jednak prawdziwy szok przeżywam gdy raz, dwa razy w roku przyjeżdżam do Polski na kilka dni. Ta skondensowana dawka polskiej rzeczywistości jest w stanie wytrącić mnie z równowagi na tygodnie po powrocie. Jak bardzo podczas codziennych sytuacji czy interakcji niepotrzebnie utrudniamy sobie nawzajem życie. Jak wiele bezsensownych zasad panuje w Polsce. Jak bardzo wszyscy są ekspertami w każdej dziedzinie, i jak ochoczo dzielą się, często niesłuszną opinią na każdy temat.   Kiedy jestem w Polsce czuję się nieustannie oceniana, każde moje działanie jest komentowane na głos, mój wygląd i strój stają się publiczną sprawą, na temat której każdy czuje, że nie da rady zatrzymać opinii dla siebie i musi puścić ją w eter. 

To wtedy, kiedy odwiedzam swój kraj czuję, jak trudno jest tu być kobietą. Kiedy codziennie słyszę, że mój zawód jest niekobiecy. Kiedy babcia pyta co gotuję mężowi, kiedy wujek opowiada seksistowskie “dowcipy”. Kiedy barman proponuje kobiecy koktajl, kiedy taksówkarz w korku sprawdza w google czy to, co właśnie mu wytłumaczyłam jest prawdą. Podziwiam kobiety w Polsce jeśli po tym wszystkim mają jeszcze pewność siebie. Ja ją zupełnie straciłam i przez ostatnie lata ciężko pracowałam na to, żeby ją odbudować.   

Najtrudniej jednak słucha mi się opowieści znajomych. O problemach ze zdrowiem psychicznym, pieniędzmi, mieszkaniem, związkami. Każdy pyta “a może to ze mną jest coś nie tak?” Nie, to z Polską jest coś nie tak.  

Marzy mi się państwo opiekuńcze, które dba o wszystkich Polaków zaanon1235093333st ich dzielić. Gdzie każdy jest traktowany z szacunkiem bez względu na płeć, orientacje, status społeczny, kolor skóry, czy pochodzenie. Marzy mi się kraj, z którego byłabym dumna bo jest sprawiedliwy i wspiera swoich obywateli. Do takiego kraju chętnie bym wróciła."
1,66683,2019-12-02T16:01:40.751Z,12080,1,14,13,20,0,0,122.8,66683,anon2384804228,anon2384804228,"Volela bih sa vama da podelim jednu ideju za radionicu za Becej u sledecoj godini.Po mom misljenju to bi bio rad sa decom od 5. do 8. razreda , ali to je otvoreno za diskusiju.

Ideja je prosta , ali kroz nju bi deca mogla da nauce razne stvari .

Radi se o pozorisnoj predstavi . :)

Mislila sam da deci predstavimo neke od zaboravljenih vestina i to sam zamislila ovako :

-Kreativno pisanje - pisanje scenarija

Deca bi mogla jednu od bajki kao sto je “Snezana i sedam patuljaka” da prerade u modernu predstavu . Kroz radionicu kreativnog pisanja deca bi naucila da se izraze bolje , mislim da nasa omladina o pisanju u buducnosti malo razmislja bilo to u obliku bloga ili romana.Deca mogu da nauce da pisu svoje novine.

-Scenografija

U Beceju se u novembru @anon47544591 predstavio sa raznim nacinima koriscenja papira , mislim da bi deca na taj nacin mogla sama da izrade potrebne elemente za scene, decija masta nema granice. Tu je i @anon396586483 koji je spreman da pokaze rad sa drvetom.

-Dizajn kostima

Kada sam bila mala volela sam da crtam svoje dizajnove odece.Svesna sam toga da ne mogu sami da sasiju ali mogu da se ukljuce u izradu svojih kostima.

-Snimanje filma

Sigurna sam da bi bilo zainteresovanih da naprave film o spremanju pozorisne predstave , a zatim i snimanje same predstave

-Gluma

Ne moraju biti profesionalno poducavani ,ali sa voljom da istraze temu glume mogu daleko da stignu.Sigurna sam da ce im nastavnici pomoci sa nekim savetima.

-Timski rad

Postoji sigurno jos elemenata koje nisam spomenula , ali vazan je i timski rad.
Sve ove faktore na kraju spojiti nije lak posao.

Naravno za ovo je potrebno puno vremena , to je veliki projeanon3213561856.Deca mogu svoj rad da prikazu u pozoristu , sa naplatom ulaza .

Sto vise razmisljam o tome sve mi vise ideja pada na pamet .

Sta vi mislite o tome ?"
2,66700,2019-12-02T17:34:31.000Z,12080,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,66683,anon47544591,anon2384804228,"Pre više godina smo imali predstavu ""Začarana šuma"" ili tako nekako se zvala. Đaci su napravili kostime od recikliranih materijala najlona, kartona itd, Imali smo i lutkarske predstave. Mogu da se snime skečevi,kratki filmovi....
Otvoreni smo za saradnju i nove ideje

Više o aktivnostima udruženja možete videti na [https://www.facebook.com/pg/eko.becej/photos/?tab=albums&ref=page_internal](https://www.facebook.com/pg/eko.becej/photos/?tab=albums&ref=page_internal)

Pozdrav

anon2384804228 via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
3,66855,2019-12-04T10:21:47.420Z,12080,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,66683,anon2614214130,anon2384804228,"Ovo sve zvuci tolliko lepo i zanimljivo da sam uzbudjena kao da se vec desava!
Taj uzrast je savrsen za takve akcije. Osim sto je eduanon3213561856ivno vazno je i deci staviti do znanja da vrede, da su korisni i da se osecaju slobodno da stave licni pecat na nesto u sta je ukljucen veliki broj ljudi. Mozda sve ovo oko tih projeanon3213561856a i radionica zvuci povrsno i nebitno, ali zaista smatram da je za decu to samo ucestvovanje lekcija koju nikada nece zaboraviti. 

Jedva cekam da se to sve pokrene i da placem na predstavi! :slight_smile:

Znate li ljude(odrasle) koji ce biti zainteresovani za ovakav projeanon3213561856?"
4,66887,2019-12-04T15:49:00.867Z,12080,0,11,10,4,0,0,22.2,66683,anon2378345037,anon2384804228,"Pozdrav, anon2384804228!
Mi radimo često scenografije, za festivale, predstave, dekoraciju za koncerte i sl. Baš sinoć smo imali izvodjenje u kruševačkom pozorištu, radili smo ove godine inkluzivnu predstavu sa decom sa smetnjama u razvoju. 
Baci pogled na našu stranicu: https://www.facebook.com/fakirisajugaart/ pa možda budeš imala neku ideju. Dosta radimo sa blacklightom jer daje taj poseban, magični izgled. 
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Držali smo i lutkarske radionice, ali izrada lutaka zahteva više pažnje nego što ljudi obično misle :slight_smile: 
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5,66908,2019-12-04T18:21:35.859Z,12080,1,10,9,1,0,0,42.0,66683,anon204179184,anon2384804228,"Dobro veče drugari.Zovem se Bojan Maletić, imam 38 godina, i živim u Bečeju. Razveden sam bez dece. Trenutno sam nezaposlen. Ja sam završio školu za elektromehaničara. U životu sam se bavio svime i svačime osim nezakonitih stvari, uvek sam bio dobrica :) elem nikada se nisam bavio strukom koju sam završio, ja to ne znam da radim, ja to ne volim. Sada bi me neko pitao zašto sam to upisao ako ne volim, razlog je jednostavan, dopalo mi se ime smera, samo sam toliko znao, potpuno sam bio ne informisan o mom smeru i čime bih se ja u životu bavio kada završim tu školu. Potpuno sam bio ne informisan o mogućnostima, dete od 15 godina je previše mlado da bi samo odlučivalo o tome od čega želi da živi kada odraste, potrebna je svaka pomoć i informacija. To je jedna od stvari koje jako nedostaju u gradu, treba se mnogo više baviti decom, da kroz neke radionice deca sami rade, da se upoznaju sa poslovima, mašinama, da osete taj posao i onda odluče šta vole, a šta ne. Nezaposlen sam zato što u gradu nisam našao posao koji odgovara meni i mom nemirnom avanturističkom duhu, nikada nisam mogao da radim pored mašine i vijam neke norme. Kreatanon598341349 sam, dobro se služim rečima, nekada davno sam pisao pesme za svoju dušu. Komunianon3213561856anon598341349 sam, društven, pored srpskog govorim još madjarski i engleski. Uvek nasmejan i optinista. Obožavam svoju zemlju i svoj grad, ali uskoro ću opet za inostranstvo, razlog mog odlaska je osim ekonomske prirode i taj da nam je grad povučen i bez dogadjaja, siv, optimista sam, i sa vremena na vreme se vratim u nadi da je situacija bolja, shvatim da nije i opet odem a duša se kida. Obožavam da provodim vreme u prirodi, u šumi, na planini, to mi je melem za dušu. Imam jako izražen osećaj empatije i razumevanja za sve ljude, obožavam životinje. Najbolji poslovi koje sam u životu radio su kada sam radio u azilu za napuštene životinje, i kada sam radio kao lični negovatelj jednom momku koji boluje od cerebralne paralize.
Isto bih voleo da pohvalim Tatjaninu ideju i da iznesem neka svoja mišljenja i zapažanja. anon2384804228 je spomenula neke slučajno ili namerno zaboravljene vrednosti. Apsolutno podržavam njene ideje za radionicu. Moje shvatanje celog problema je malo šire i dublje. Kao prvo ako želimo budućnost, mi moramo ulagati u budućnost. Naša deca su naša budućnost, a mi njih moramo bukvalno otimati od rijaliti programa, kompjuterskih igrica, novokomponovane muzike... Zato što imamo decu koja su ponosna na to što su uspeli da završe školu a da nisu pročitali nijednu lektiru. Pored radionica kreativnog pisanja ja bih još uvrstio i dečije književne večeri, uz upoznavanje dečijih pisaca, možda nekog dečijeg glumca koji bi čitao odlomke knjige, i naravno da sve bude interaktivno da i deca u tome učestvuju. Da bi se smanjilo vršnjačko nasilje, i kompleksi niže vrednosti medju decom trebalo bi smisliti druženja i eduanon3213561856ivne zabave, čajanke nedeljom poslepodne gde bi mogle da se igraju društvene igre, ili da se pogleda neka eduanon3213561856ivna emisija, ili neki film, a posle da se diskutuje da deca budu što aktivnija u iznošenju svog mišljenja. Organizovati debatne večeri gde bi učestvovala deca, da nauče da budu parlamentarni, da se argumentima bore za svoje stavove. Da se organizuju volonterski kampovi i akcije tokom cele godine. Tokom zime prikupljanje priloga, igračaka, slatkiša i odeće da bi i deca čiji roditelji nemaju materijalna sredstva dobila novogodišnji paketić, u saradnji sa socijalnom službom koja ima spisak socijalno ugroženih porodica. Preko leta da se prave kampovi pod šatorima u nekom bečejskom parku gde bi uz kreativne radionice deca organizovano čistila otpatke pored reke, u šumi, parku, krečenje grafita... Posle ovog smo otprilike na nivou osmog razreda. Dobili bismo to da bi se deca upoznala rano (otprilike prvi razred), učestvovala u raznim aktivnostima, vezali bi se jedno za drugo. Ne bi provodili ceo dan u kući uz televizor ili računar. Kroz razne akcije bi se naučili empatiji. Ne bi bilo usamljene dece. U osmom razredu pa do kraja školovanja bi trebalo omogućiti radionice gde bi deca videla šta zaista žele i vole. Trebalo bi nabaviti male CNC mašine, laser za graviranje, 3d printer, šivaću mašinu...cilj je da deca ne upisuju srednju školu a da ne znaju u stvari čime će se baviti kada završe školu. Da mogu da isprobaju mašine koje su im interesantne, da razmenjuju mišljenje sa drugom decom koja imaju ista interesovanja. Mogla bi se napraviti mala manufaktura, da se prave neki unianon3213561856ni predmeti na 3d štampaču, gravirati unianon3213561856ni privesci laserom ili na cnc mašini, to bi moglo da se prodaje i od toga da se plate tekući troškovi, put na takmičenja, izleti... . Cilj je spojiti ljude koji imaju iste sfere interesovanja. Rodila bi se nova partnerstva, kumstva... Time bi se videlo šta je deci interesantno, šta oni žele, a ne šta im se silom natura. A samim time bi se videlo kakva industrija nedostaje Bečeju, a otvaranjem iste bismo dobili to da se ljudi ne bi iseljavali, već ostajali i doseljavali u naš grad. Stvorili bi smo zdravije društvo i zdravije radno okruženje u gradu."
6,66913,2019-12-04T18:41:16.416Z,12080,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,66908,anon3346229079,anon204179184,"Dobrodosao Bojane, hvala na idejama!
Neke od tih stvari smo vec raspravljali uzivo, dobro je da si ih ti stavio ovdje da svi mogu da vide sta je moguce, koliki je potencijal."
1,66577,2019-12-02T09:41:55.701Z,12069,1,20,19,6,0,0,69.0,66577,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"This was quite an experience. I already organised events, and bigger than this, but never had to build a community and do it in such a short time.
Many unexpected things happened. Even though I expected to meet skepticism, I though I will have an easier time convincing people why is this such a good idea.
The importance of sharing the stories, getting to know each other, learning about real issues in lives of other people around us. Engaging in discussions to find solution to those issues, often common for many people, and just to support each other. Activate this collective intelligence, then use the stories to connect people and form teams who can actually work together to change things with real projects/initiatives (I am very goal orientated).
Over the past month I improved my processes a lot. And I created an animated tutorial for all newcomers, which still needs to be smoothed out a bit and I will share it with you guys for suggestions. We can easily add a voice over and it should be quite effective.
Got the idea because many people were a bit lost on the platform and needed help with some things. Just yesterday I had another confused person :slight_smile:. 
I also never was a facilitator or moderator in discussion panels or similar so I am happy I am part of Wellbeing in Europe. Gives me opportunity to learn a lot of new skills and help communities I care about as well. 

It started with my trip to Serbia last month. My idea was to create core groups in few cities and if they are interested in a project, they will help grow it themselves.
Thanks to many people who got engaged and saw importance in such a project, we got to where we are now. @anon2614214130 and @anon2446385507  of course but so many locals as well who got engaged very early on: @anon47544591 from KEC Becej, @anon
Also @anon4101051500 and @anon
Had great discussions with @anon396586483 @anon2384804228 and @anon592090309 @anon3887834485 , among other people, it gave me a lot of energy and motivation to keep working at it...we have some great ideas as well. I am sure some of the good ones will be put to test by the communities in 2020 :wink:.

I postponed this post because I got stuck in Serbia for an extra week. Spent 6 days recovering from eye troubles but as soon as I felt better, I set up 2 days of meetings and was invited to few events.

Result is this bunch of notes (new ideas and interesting insights into local politics and perception of us from some of the local NGO's.
I did not expect that but, it seems some of the local NGO's see us as direct competition and are afraid for their position...that's why they did not support us even though we have similar missions. The surprising part for me is-they determined it without even communicating with me/us properly. Very silly.
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And I got a thank you from the Office for Youth in Becej, which I don't feel I deserve but they sure did put extra pressure on me to do a good job haha.
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I actually learned a lot about organising an event for younger generations just from observing everything during the Office for Youth celebration of 13 years of their existence...a lot to change really if we are to do events for youth in future.

Also met with professors, and teachers, few school principals. There is a lot of good will to move forward with the proposal I build with several community members (sort of center for innovation/incubator hub in Becej). Teachers and professors especially see the importance of bridging the gap of theoretical knowledge and practical knowledge you get through doing things and experimenting. That gap in Serbia is very big.

I see communities in Serbia growing over this month already. Based on my many many discussions with people and organisations, we will see activity and energy to move forward.
If that happens, we as Edgeryders can join in their initiatives and support them as their international partner. There is a lot of potential there, I just hope the community will see it as well.
Already heard plenty of good ideas, about recycling/reusable materials utility (big issue here), education and work on raising people's awareness, healthy food promotion/distribution etc...
The way I see it happening is (in this order):
1. Active community willing to get involved in real issues linked to wellbeing
2. Edgeryders seeing the activity and determining our way forward
3. Doing few more events in anon4110936133uary (or later if we still don't have enough info/activity) with specific goals of growing community and mobilising it in the causes they most care about. If causes are aligned with our values and Wellbeing in Europe of course.
4. Ideally, if all 3 points above are met, we can engage the research team and find relevant EU tenders to really get the projects off the ground. ER+local organisations+relevant international partners if needed.
(I also don't know what are budget for 2020 is yet).

Of course, most of other things don't make sense if we don't have active community. That's what I focused on over the last several days and hopefully the message went through.
The biggest lessons for me were the new insights in the state of mind of population in different communities in Serbia. Also I learned there are so many stories of success and hope, so many people actually trying to make the society better.
The thing is, nobody talks about them so much as much as they talk about all the negative stuff going on.
So maybe one of our biggest goals would also be, get the inspirational stories and distribute that message in our community in 2020."
2,66637,2019-12-02T13:12:55.476Z,12069,1,16,15,1,1,0,28.2,66577,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Hi Jasen, thanks for sharing all of this, I am unsure how to proceed because of so much of your work happening through meetings and the connections being in your head :-))

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:1, topic:12069""]
it seems some of the local NGO’s see us as direct competition and are afraid for their position…that’s why they did not support us even though we have similar missions.
[/quote]

Can you be more specific? Who are we talking about, and how come? In Belgrade or Becej?

[quote=""anon3346229079, post:1, topic:12069""]
* Active community willing to get involved in real issues linked to wellbeing
* Edgeryders seeing the activity and determining our way forward
* Doing few more events in anon4110936133uary (or later if we still don’t have enough info/activity) with specific goals of growing community and mobilising it in the causes they most care about. If causes are aligned with our values and Wellbeing in Europe of course.
[/quote]

Are you sure this is the right order? You get an active community when you do things, so maybe we need to define what is a good next event and what kind of concrete work it can happen there. 
Indeed, it will be towards the end of anon4110936133uary when we can reconnect and reassemble the team, but it would be great if by then me, you and @anon2614214130 each think where it makes sense to go.

I think an option is to explore between several ideas we have heard:
1) personal development and training (especially for youth) project - with the help of high schools in Becej/ Novi Sad and @anon3218287029 e could do a 1-2 day camp and invite people from our network to come as trainers. We did a [Social Innovation camp in Tunisia](https://edgeryders.eu/t/social-innovation-camp-in-medenine-tunisia/7720) a while back, it went well but it could be improved.
2) a more practical event which we could organise with @anon2378345037 @anon3265568623 & their group at the cultural center in Krusevac? this would be supporting a community project they already have, instead of starting something new. This means it would be an event more specific in topic, to respond to anon2378345037's feedback after the workshop too.
3) ... other ideas?   We could discuss them in a call end of anon4110936133uary with those interested."
3,66665,2019-12-02T14:56:30.675Z,12069,2,14,13,1,0,0,47.8,66577,anon2378345037,anon3346229079,"I ‘m not sure if this is the right place to mention this idea of ours, but here we go (it took some time to translate it). 
For a long time, we have been contemplating about introducing events that raise awareness and culture in general within our community, to diversify our cultural programme, which has so far been concentrated on arts and expression. We would love to organise an interactive educative festival about renewable energy, environment, ecology, as well as the attitude that humans adopt in relation to other forms of life that inhabit the world they live in. Kruševac is an underdeveloped, small town in a third world countury, and it slacks far behind the developed world in terms of ecology practice and community awareness about the impact of modern life upon the environment. Within this festival, we plan to introduce lecturers and documentary films that approach the subject from various aspects, we plan to organise  workshops during which a mobile hydro-electric generator will be built and tested in the river Rasina that flows next to our cultural center, workshops during which photovoltaic panels will be explained and practicaly demonstrated, so that those who attend the festivalwill walk away with an admirable practical and theoretical capacity to utilise free and clean energy, and to reduce th footprint that we leave behind as we use this planet. There will be discussions on the topic of climate change, there will be movie projections (documentaries mostly), there will be artistic workshops about using recycled materials to create artwork. Upon announcing the event, attendants will be invited to ask specific questions in advance, online, over the social networks, so that the lecturer will be ready to answer them thoroughly and correctly, which will make the education and science more “down to earth”, practical and closer to the community. This will increase the overall effect of raising the awareness of the community, and will also provide certain insight about the interest in, as well as the current state of that type of knowledge that is present within that community. The community of Kruševac neglects theese topics, and that is not the way we need to relate to them, as we are not the only ones to suffer the consequences of our ignorance. We believe that we can inspire interest and interaction within the community, as well as bring a whole new chapter and type of activities that we carry out in our cultural center. What do you think?"
4,66698,2019-12-02T17:29:37.597Z,12069,1,15,14,1,1,0,28.0,66665,anon2446385507,anon2378345037,"[quote=""anon2378345037, post:3, topic:12069""]
Within this festival, we plan to introduce lecturers and documentary films that approach the subject from various aspects, we plan to organise workshops during which a mobile hydro-electric generator will be built and tested in the river Rasina that flows next to our cultural center, workshops during which photovoltaic panels will be explained and practicaly demonstrated, so that those who attend the festivalwill walk away with an admirable practical and theoretical capacity to utilise free and clean energy, and to reduce th footprint that we leave behind as we use this planet.
[/quote]

You've got quite a proposal there @anon2378345037! Yes, it is the right place to add it, anywhere in fact in the Serbian forum is a good place, as a general rule. 
Is this festival something you are already planning to do and have identified people and organisations to be involved? or is it a recent idea that came to you based on the Wellbeing in Europe project and our young community ? :-)"
5,66806,2019-12-03T17:31:30.080Z,12069,1,14,13,1,1,0,27.8,66637,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:12069""]
Hi Jasen, thanks for sharing all of this, I am unsure how to proceed because of so much of your work happening through meetings and the connections being in your head :-))
[/quote]
Post would be crazy long if I went into details about each meeting :slight_smile:. We will have our own meeting on the subject as well though to figure out where to go next i guess. 
I did write about who did I meet mostly but I need to get my notes AND MY HEAD in order to make a structured post about it :slight_smile:.

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:12069""]
Can you be more specific? Who are we talking about, and how come? In Belgrade or Becej?
[/quote]

In Becej, a big organisation like BUM (Becej youth association). Unfortunately I heard echos they are probably afraid we want to take their members haha (since we are also focused on youth in Becej).
It's a pity since our goal from the start is to really partner with locals and improve things by adding value to their existing activities as well, I was sure I was clear about that. 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:12069""]
Are you sure this is the right order? You get an active community when you do things, so maybe we need to define what is a good next event and what kind of concrete work it can happen there.
[/quote]
Well we did have some deadlines for the end of the year. I guess we are meeting them and we can move forward. In any case, yes you are right. More logical order would be doing more events>>seeing activity and determining direction more clearly.

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:12069""]
I think an option is to explore between several ideas we have heard:
[/quote]
Yep yep, I discussed already those things with people and we agreed the most effective way for us to show the community that we mean to do good things is by doing something real very soon...sooner the better.
I will have a call with Tamara one of these days to also exchange our ideas and experiences so far."
6,66811,2019-12-03T17:46:30.047Z,12069,1,14,13,1,0,0,42.8,66665,anon3346229079,anon2378345037,"Great idea. It's crazy but considering the low level of development in Serbia the pollution is quite high. Mostly due to facts that government doesn't enforce the relevant laws and there is a huge lack of general population awareness...well there is also the fact that cars on the road pollute way more but that can change only when the salaries are increased so people can actually buy newer cars and all kinds of vehicles :slight_smile:.  
Spoke about that with @anon677212598 during our drink after the Belgrade workshop."
7,66818,2019-12-03T19:36:38.471Z,12069,2,14,13,1,1,0,17.8,66806,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:5, topic:12069""]
doing something real very soon…sooner the better.
[/quote]

Realistically, that would be spring 2020, would that work? But in February we can already decide, and decide not me or you, but by talking it with the community members! An open process is what builds engagement as well, while we prepare the event. It's also a good filtering mechanism.
With the rest of the points above, we are aligned I believe!"
8,66824,2019-12-03T20:37:14.717Z,12069,0,14,13,1,1,0,22.8,66818,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:7, topic:12069""]
An open process is what builds engagement as well, while we prepare the event. It’s also a good filtering mechanism.
[/quote]

Totally aligned, it's my attitude since the beginning. Community needs to decide and that's the message I have passed on to all...especially to those more engaged, who I feel want to contribute a lot."
9,66825,2019-12-03T20:38:35.547Z,12069,0,12,11,1,1,0,7.4,66818,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:7, topic:12069""]
Realistically, that would be spring 2020
[/quote]

We should discuss that, me you and @anon2614214130 and see what can be done and when."
10,66885,2019-12-04T15:32:18.376Z,12069,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,66698,anon2378345037,anon2446385507,"Sorry to be so late with the reply, but the amount of activities these days is overwhelming. The festival truely is something we considered before the workshop, we have a few organizations and individuals in mind, that could pull off the core of the event, where as the others have to be contacted and engaged when we become certain of the fact that event is taking place. At the workshop in Belgrade, while speaking to people from Inđijativa, as thay mention group called Zez (The Union for Green Energy -  https://www.zez.coop/) an idea crossed my mind, that this festival that we are planing could fit right into this project of yours."
11,66886,2019-12-04T15:39:50.447Z,12069,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,66811,anon2378345037,anon3346229079,"Yes, Jasen, i totally agree. People in Serbia almost do not recycle at all. Nature is beautiful, but very polluted. Have you seen this video from Serbia? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdk6YQDZen8
It happened this year."
12,66890,2019-12-04T15:57:22.432Z,12069,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,66886,anon3346229079,anon2378345037,"O BOZE! Ludilo...ne mogu vjerovati da u stvari vade otpad iz rijeke samo da bi ga opet vratili u rijeku!

Editing in English:
Ih god! What craziness...cannot believe they actually take the waste out of the river only to drop it back in!"
13,66892,2019-12-04T15:58:43.166Z,12069,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,66890,anon2378345037,anon3346229079,Strašno..... da toliko nema razmišljanja da se to djubre istrese u neki kamion..... i tu su bili i neki lokalni funkcioneri koji su branili ovaj postupak.....
1,65990,2019-11-27T11:23:55.318Z,11954,1,26,25,7,0,0,195.2,65990,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"Here is my summary of this Edgeryders journey I started in October. 


**Before the event**
I started from the scratch(no community) and went straight into building community and organizing the workshop. Took me some time to figure out which medium to use to reach people. Facebook and personal approach were the ones I thought would work best and that's what I did. 
Have to say in  my contract we agreed this was a part time job but it was far from that. I worked a lot. Serbian people are very very sceptic and when something new comes they  instantly do not trust it nor like it. I guess that's understandable considering what this people have been trough for the past 3 decades.
My idea was to reach only those I considered to be genuinely  interested in this type of community. And to bring interesting people in workshop, especially when it comes to speakers because I needed those who people trust.
This is a completely new experience for me. I had never before organized an event or been in a community or been facilitator at the event.
Huge thanks goes to @anon2649858692mi and @anon3346229079 , cause I don't know how would this be a thing without them. We had a month and a half to put it all together. It was intense.

 **The event**

Around 25 people registered for the workshop and 17 actually came. 
After short introduction anon2649858692mi came up with the idea how to ""make"" all participants relaxed and comfortable to speak. We played a game and I think that was the key for successful workshop.
Everyone had fun, everyone participated and talked. Atmosphere was friendly, as if everyone knew each other. It was easygoing and the energy was really good. Participants said it would be fine if it lasted for 2 days :) 
All of the participants were confused by the Edgeryders concept and had no idea what is going on. But they showed up anyways which is a great indicator that we need stuff like this here in Serbia.
The whole event was more like introducing Edgeryders and getting to know each other, there was not a specific topic that was mainly discussed, which is fine I think. 

**After the event**

Feedback is positive. Everyone had a great time, we laughed, we discussed, we learned and all left facility feeling inspired. Workshop was different than those we are used to here. Everyone liked that it was interactive and that everyone participated. I feel as if people are sick of just listening to those who always speak and they sit and listen. 
Participants were pretty heterogeneous and we all liked that. Tho it was a strong feeling that there is something we all have in common regardless to what we do and who we are.

**How did i do** 
I am pretty satisfied. Considering it is my first job in this kinds of stuff. Still I have a lot to learn about building a community, organizing the events and get into peoples minds to optimize the effect and the results.
As a facilitator I was pretty shy and nervous :slight_smile:
I am happy with my communication abilities  and how easy it is for me to make people trust me, I didn't know that before.
The whole process and stepping into unknown was pretty stressful but I liked it. This is exactly what I wanted and needed.
 
**What have I learned**  

-From Edgeryders- I learned that there are people who actually work on these topics and this area as a job. As I said earlier I didn't have any contact with this before. I learned how much I have to learn about society and how to be useful. I met some very interesting people in this process and that is my goal. Creating my network of great people. 
-At the workshop- Learned about technical stuff about workshop organizing. How to approach. what is important, how to relax people...
Plus I learned that there are people here who really care about themselves and their society, they are not those who are brainwashed and they have great ideas and great enthusiasm. 

**What I think our next steps should be**

People are sick of listening to some whit great spirit and ideas talking to them and telling them how they should do something. If we want these people who showed interest to stay with us we need to give a few examples of how to do things, how to get in action. We are not used to this. We need examples. Telling them ""Gather around something you consider important for you"" will do nothing. We are society who is deeply depressed and we lack of enthusiasm and initiative.
We need at least 2 small events we will organize to give an example and make them open their minds and think what could they gather around by themselves.
Maybe exchange of books, or clothing(we have that going on every winter)... Anything to make them do not forget why we are here.
It's even hard to get their stories on the platform, tho Jasen and I thought that's gonna be easy.
They simply have to see things going on. Talking will get us nowhere.  

I am pretty sure this report is not done. I will add things.
Thank you everyone!"
2,66062,2019-11-27T17:15:41.629Z,11954,0,22,21,1,0,0,24.4,65990,anon95046639,anon2614214130,Thank you @anon2614214130  for this very reflective report :) !
3,66085,2019-11-27T23:04:22.733Z,11954,1,23,22,1,1,0,14.6,65990,anon2867672406,anon2614214130,"Nice to meet you, @anon2614214130! This is a very fresh, candid report. Thank you for that, really appreciated. 
 [quote=""anon2614214130, post:1, topic:11954""]
We need examples. Telling them “Gather around something you consider important for you” will do nothing. We are society who is deeply depressed and we lack of enthusiasm and initiative.
[/quote]

Interesting! Compared to what? Which societies, in your opinion, are *not* depressed? Can you explain what makes you think that?"
4,66088,2019-11-28T00:57:04.273Z,11954,0,20,19,1,0,0,39.0,65990,anon3392431259,anon2614214130,Thank you very much @anon2614214130 for this report. It is very encouraging for those of us that face similar hurdles. So glad to hear that you are encouraged by your progress as well. Please keep up the good work and providing reports. This helps us all to feel there is hope in community.
5,66225,2019-11-28T16:32:49.979Z,11954,1,18,17,1,1,0,73.6,66085,anon2614214130,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:3, topic:11954""]
> We are society who is deeply depressed and we lack of enthusiasm and initiative.

Interesting! Compared to what? […] Can you explain what makes you think that?
[/quote]

Question ""What's the meaning of life?"" Is easier than this one!! :slight_smile:

I'll give you na example- When people retire here, they are basically sitting on the couch and waiting for death to come pick them up. If someone is spending their last decades doing something or having hobbies- crazy peron alert!! That's how others see that person. While having a hobby when you retire is a normal thing in Europe.

Those who act and show interest in making changes are considered idiots, idealists, unrealistic .. so there is always that part ""Is it ok if I join those who are actually taking action"" in people. Even if they are sure that's something for them.

Hope you understood. This was confusing even for me!"
6,66247,2019-11-28T17:53:48.381Z,11954,2,17,16,1,0,0,18.4,66225,anon2867672406,anon2614214130,"Ok, @anon2614214130, makes sense. I hope you are not idealizing European societies. :-)"
7,66319,2019-11-29T12:26:13.771Z,11954,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,66247,anon2614214130,anon2867672406,"Let me dream!! :slight_smile: 
JK, my family live in Germany."
8,66477,2019-11-30T10:10:22.564Z,11954,1,14,13,2,1,0,62.8,66247,anon3346229079,anon2867672406,"[quote=""anon2867672406, post:6, topic:11954, full:true""]
Ok, @anon2614214130, makes sense. I hope you are not idealizing European societies.
[/quote]

Not so easy to explain but she is right. Most common reaction I get from people i discuss things with is ""so glad I met someone so positive and enthusiastic about change here"" (even though I noticed @anon2446385507 sometimes laughs in surprise as well...must be the Balkans part of her haha).

In short: There was war, breaking up of the old system, international isolation, rise of criminal groups and corruption, then ""democracy"" hit and everyone was full of hope. It led to further destruction and theft of the country through shady privatization, more lies and empty talk...
Stories of success most people see are corrupt politicians and criminals, system of values is turned upside down.
After all that, it's really hard to explain to people that they can still change things, make it better, that it's possible to succeed if you invest in yourself, work hard and are armed with patience and determination. 
We meet with a lot of doubt, skepticism and pessimism...some of the reasons I wrote above.
It didn't come to be this way overnight so it won't change overnight as well, I believe it is slowly changing though and every successful project we launch or help someone launch will contribute to that through solid examples nobody will be able to deny."
9,66485,2019-11-30T12:38:21.891Z,11954,2,14,13,1,1,0,17.8,66477,anon2867672406,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:8, topic:11954""]
After all that, it’s really hard to explain to people that they can still change things, make it better, that it’s possible to succeed if you invest in yourself, work hard and are armed with patience and determination.
[/quote]

Wow, @anon3346229079. This is a very good explanation, actually. Thanks.

 But I wonder: why does it not seem to apply to populist recipes? Populists promise change and sovereignty, and enough people find them credible to support them... what is their secret?"
10,66508,2019-12-01T09:31:35.959Z,11954,1,14,13,3,0,0,52.8,66485,anon3346229079,anon2867672406,"Wish I knew that :slight_smile:.

From talking to a lot of people around here, I can give you few of their answers and they are legit for me really:
1. ""Look at the opposition, some of the spokesmen have already proven they are useless, corrupt individuals"". Dragan Djilas, so called entrepreneur but in fact a guy who shames that profession for me and everyone else truly living it. I will not go into details about him, you could write a book about all the ways in which he wasted and stole public money.
2. ""He never clearly said what will he do, we are sick of talk"". Opposition often focuses on why leader is bad, not what good will they bring. For example when I followed Vuk Jeremic candidature two years back, I did it because some common friends we have told me he is a serious candidate and that I should pay attention. I watched few of his speeches and quickly decided he is not going to get anywhere simply because he kept trying to trash current government but I heard no solutions. I decided I wouldn't support him either (I am not citizen of Serbia anyways but I wouldn't support him through other means).
3. Opposition fractured because some of it is fake (created for the purpose of taking votes from real opposition)
4. ""But things are happening, we are rebuilding"". That part is true and is visible around Serbia. The thing is, previous governments were often so bad that when you compare the current one with them-the current one wins. The bar is set very low.

Real opposition gets minimum media exposure and the small bits they get are often just to attempt to provoke them and not really let them speak about their program (very little freedom of media, people are bombarded with all the amazing stuff about their government every day and all the other manipulation strategies like playing the enemy card, from within or from outside of the country).
Also the current government stole so much money already and created such a system that they can buy 50% of the votes for sure, even without all the positive things people see in it or are manipulated into seeing."
11,66865,2019-12-04T11:08:36.743Z,11954,2,13,12,1,0,0,17.6,66508,anon2867672406,anon3346229079,"Thanks, @anon3346229079! But I guess @anon2614214130 was talking about mobilizing people around something to do, not just voting. 

(BTW: this is starting to look like a thread that might be moved to the public forum, as now we are discussing populism itself rather than the project. What do you think, @anon2979239943?)"
12,66868,2019-12-04T11:24:54.068Z,11954,0,13,12,1,1,0,22.6,66865,anon3346229079,anon2867672406,"You asked that specifically in your previous reply :slight_smile:. Tried to find some meaningful reasons for that.
[quote=""anon2867672406, post:9, topic:11954""]
But I wonder: why does it not seem to apply to populist recipes? Populists promise change and sovereignty, and enough people find them credible to support them… what is their secret?
[/quote]
Considering the project:
Yes, I think too Tamara was talking about mobilizing people. It is very important especially since people lost faith and are very skeptical in general. That's why I believe we need to start with something small and accomplish it, create a small victory for the people involved and people looking at us with skepticism. Sooner we do it, better it will be for all involved. Our goal, after all, is to kickstart projects which will improve the quality of life of community in question. Sooner we do something really useful, sooner we demonstrate with a solid example nobody can deny (I mentioned it in previous reply)."
13,66879,2019-12-04T14:04:57.476Z,11954,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,66865,anon2979239943,anon2867672406,Yes! Useful.
14,66880,2019-12-04T14:07:04.416Z,11954,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,66879,anon2867672406,anon2979239943,"Actually, this workspace is already public. I just added the tag to it. Code away."
1,59004,2019-09-10T00:37:41.268Z,10723,0,15,14,24,0,0,178.0,59004,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"Pozdrav svima!

Ja trenutno zivim u Briselu ali sam usko povezan sa bivsim Jugoslovenskim republikama, sto kroz poslovne aktivnosti sto kroz ljubav prema ljudima i prirodi. Inace sam iz Hrvatske, jako sam vezan i za Srbiju a poprilicno volim i Sloveniju :slight_smile:.
Otisao sam u inostranstvo 2001 godine. Tad mi se cinilo da je kraj svijeta, a u neku ruku je i bio kraj mog svijeta. Ostavio sam iza moju prvu ljubav, prijatelje, dio porodice, PONOVO sam ostavio sve sto mi je bilo poznato...sve sto je cinilo moju komfort zonu. 
Zbog rata sam bio prisiljen napustati komfort zonu puno puta, sto je u isto vrijeme lomilo moj duh i jacalo ga. Puno godina ranije sam se cesto uzivljavao u taj neki identitet zrtve, pun samosazaljenja i neke tuge za zauvijek izgubljenim. Danas u meni nema ni trunke samosazaljenja ni tuge za sebe samog. Rezultat tolikih promjena je bio to da je moja komfort zona u stvari van komfort zone, najbolje funkcionisem radeci stvari koje nisu po nikakvom standardu, kreatanon598341349 sam i snalaznjiv. Cinjenica je da je sjecanje vezano za emociju, stoga najbolje lekcije koje imaju najvise uticaja su one popracene sa jakim emocijama. Sto se mene tice svrha ovog postojanja je da ucimo, razvijamo se i da stvaramo dobre medjuljudske odnose...da pomazemo jedni drugima i ucimo jedni od drugih.
Zbog tog razloga je ovaj projeanon3213561856 dobrobiti u Evropi jako zanimljiv za mene.

Posao, zdravlje i duhovnost/moralnost su medjusobno povezani i nijedna stvar nije vaznija od druge...iako kad bi mogli birati uvijek bi stavili zdravlje na prvo mijesto naravno a o duhovnosti ljudi ne razmisljaju toliko ako nisu osigurali osnovnu egzistenciju :wink:.
E zbog tog razloga sam ja posao stavio na prvo mjesto. Ne samo sto osigurava egzistenciju i oslobadja nas um da se bavimo i nekim drugim stvarima. Takodje je naucno je dokazano da je najvaznija stvar za zdravlje i razvoj ljudi sredina u kojoj se nalaze. S'obzirom da prosjecno provedemo 8-10 sati u poslu, izuzetno je vazno da nasa percepcija sredine u kojoj radimo bude vise u pozitivnom svijetlu. Ako nije, to je siguran put ka losem zdravlju. 
Poceo sam raditi sa 13 godina, prodavajuci sa tatom cigare na pijaci i od tada sam promijenio puno poslova...neke sam radio za druge a neke i za sebe. 
Ja sam danas preduzetnik i konstantno balansiram izmedju rada za druge i rada za svoju firmu. Kad me pitaju 'cime se bavis', ja odgovaram:'stvarima koje volim' i to je realnost. Doduse to ne znaci da je sve cime se bavim ono sto ja volim. Moguce je i da biram da volim stvari kojima se bavim :wink:. 

To znaci da sam jednostavno svijestan da (cak iako nekad ne radim ono sto bas volim) je sve moj izbor, prema tome stvarati u meni otpor prema necemu sto je bilo moj izbor nema smisla. Zato ja oberucke prihvatam sve sto dolazi sa poslom kojim se bavim u datom trenutku i ne trosim energiju na kukanje.

Na primjer trenutno radim 'night audit' za jedan lanac hotela, posao koji mi donosi novce koje ulazem u moje projekte.
Radim i na projektu dobrobit u Evropi, sto je za mene izuzetno zanimljiv projeanon3213561856 i totalno je sinhronizovan sa mojim vrednostima (zajednica, povezanon598341349je ljudi, koristenje kolektivne inteligencije za poboljsanje kvaliteta zivota zajednice).
Takodje imam firmu za pravljenje, izdavanje i sve ostalo vezano za drustvene igre i to mi je veliki uzitak, spojio sam moj hobi sa poslom.
Od sljedece godine planiram zasaditi 10 hektara industrijske konoplje u Hrvatskoj i to poslje prosiriti na turizam.
Takodje sam poceo u Hrvatskoj (totalno neprofitan) projeanon3213561856. Kazem neprofitan zato sto ne donosi novac ali ne bi trebao reci neprofitan jer ce mi donijeti izuzetno zadovoljstvo i, najvazniju stvar na ovom svijetu, nova poznanstva. 
Zelim pokrenuti skolu za programiranje i 3D modeliranje za klince. Programski jezici su jezici buducnosti a klinci u manjim sredinama uveliko kasne u odnosu na vece gradove, evo vam primjer informatike (crtanje microsoft worda) u Bosni :slight_smile:.
![crtanje%20worda|690x387](upload://2NfYMEYrM0QNuKplqzIZ3OspsFg.png) 
Mislim da ce im moderna skola u kojoj se uci uveliko kroz igru (a uce se prakticne stvari) poboljsati sanse za uspijeh u buducnosti i to je moja glavna motivacija.

Imao sam i par projeanon3213561856a u Srbiji ali nesigurnost zemlje, politika i poslovne prakse su me uveliko obeshrabrile...vidicemo sto ce biti u buducnosti.

Kao sto vidite, gdje god da sam ja uvijek jednim okom gledam na Balkan. Razlozi za to su jednostavni. Najljepsa sjecanja su mi sa Balkana (i najruznija isto ali od toga se sastoji zivot). Imam puno familije tu, prijatelja, nekih bivsih ljubavi :wink:...puno ljudi koje cijenim.
Takodje, postoji kolektivna svijest naroda...po meni prenesena kroz gene, kroz zajednicku istoriju, iskustvo, kulturu, koja sigurno puno doprinosi.
Kakvo god da sam imao iskustvo u Zadru, osjecaj kad predjem Velebit je uvijek isti. Ono more, stijene, borova suma i smreke su dio mene i nepobitno me uvijek vuku kuci. 

Vjerujem da je tako skoro svima. Lijepo je putovati, iskusiti nove stvari, upoznati nove ljude i razlicite kulture i prosiriti vidike. Ja cesto razmisljam o tome: koliko mi je ispravno sto sam ja u inostranstvu sad. Zasto nisam u Hrvatskoj ili Srbiji? Zasto ne radim na poboljsanju zivota tu, zasto se ne borim zajedno sa ostalim ljudima koje toliko volim? 
Kompromis koji sam nasao a da mogu ostati srecan je taj da pomazem odavde gdje sam trenutno koliko mogu. Skupljam znanje i iskustvo koje cu danas-sutra moci primjeniti na Balkanu ili prosiriti dalje, takodje mijenjam svijest (nadam se na bolje) sto cu se isto potruditi prosiriti...kao valovi kad bacite kamencic u vodu.

Primjetio sam da se kroz moju pricu preplicu posao i duhovnost, eto to su dvije stvari koje izuzetno puno uticu na nase zdravlje.

Ako u mojim aktivnostima/prici vidite nesto od interesa ne ustrucavajte se. Odgovorite ovdje ili mi pisite. 

Periodicno cu organizovati druzenja ili radionice u svrhu spajanja ljudi, izmjenjanon598341349ja iskustava i znanja i aktiviranja kolektivne inteligencije za rjesavanje stvarnih problema oko nas.

Najljepsa stvar kad se nadje grupa ljudi na isto mjestu sto se mene tice je ljudski potencijal koji, kad smo u dobrom drustvu eksponencijalno raste u svakom od nas:

![eksponencijalni%20rast|452x128](upload://9dqEts8mGWBlnML2aM3THfQrYBv.png) 

Prve ce biti u Beogradu i Beceju, sad 20og i 21og Septembra. Pisacu detalje ovdje na forumu za sve ljude koji zele podjeliti svoju pricu i doprinjeti poboljsanju kvaliteta zivota sebe i svoje zajednice.

Evo za kraj slika jednog izuzetnog i pozitivnog iskustva sa Edgeryders festivala u Briselu. Pricao sam na temu suocavanja sa svojim greskama, izlaska iz komfort zone itd :slight_smile:

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Postovanje svima,
Jasen"
2,59085,2019-09-11T06:40:57.788Z,10723,0,12,11,7,0,0,52.4,59004,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Zaista volim taj način razmišljanja kako biti srećan sa onim što vam život nudi i raditi posao sa radošću. Mnogi od nas to ne mogu, za većinu ljudi to je doživotna praksa.

Ako ćete biti u Beogradu, možda se sastajte sa @anon"
3,66844,2019-12-04T08:29:59.976Z,10723,2,8,7,1,0,0,46.6,59004,anon2585924321,anon3346229079,"Dopada mi se ta misao da duhovnost treba staviti ispred svega. To se potpuno oseća u ovom tekstu. I sada mi je jos draze da sam se prikljucila ovom projektu. 
Smatram da je najvižniji onaj osećaj, kada pred spavanje svakoga dana podvučemo crtu i razmislimo koliko smo zaista srećni i zahvalni. I šta još možemo učiniti da nam bude bolje sutra. 
Hvala"
4,66858,2019-12-04T10:27:29.843Z,10723,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,66844,anon2614214130,anon2585924321,"Ja sam toliko strastvena kada je spiritualnost i taj momenat ispunjenosti u pitanju da mi je jako zao sto ne moze da se vristi u porukama
:smiley: 
Sve pocinje i zavrsava u nama samima. Svaki intervju sa mega uspesnom osobom na svetu ima to kao bottom line."
5,66870,2019-12-04T11:55:59.399Z,10723,0,8,7,5,1,0,26.6,66844,anon3346229079,anon2585924321,"[quote=""anon2585924321, post:3, topic:10723""]
Smatram da je najvižniji onaj osećaj, kada pred spavanje svakoga dana podvučemo crtu i razmislimo koliko smo zaista srećni i zahvalni. I šta još možemo učiniti da nam bude bolje sutra.
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Eto u dvije recenice izrecene 3 sustinske misli. 
Hvala tebi :slight_smile:"
1,66786,2019-12-03T12:44:37.318Z,12092,0,12,11,12,0,0,107.4,66786,anon2585924321,anon2585924321,"Pozdrav svima, ja sam Renata Peterka Mirilov iz Novog Sada. Majka dva prelepa dečaka I vlasnica jednog  novosadskog ketering studija. Drago mi je da sam deo ove zajednice I da imamo mogućnost da se na ovaj način predstavim  kao preduzetnica iz Srbije, možda budem primer nekome, a nadam se I upoznam nove I zanimljive ljude sa kojima mogu razmenjivati  iskustva I unaprediti poslovanje.
Ovo je moja priča.  Nadam se da će vam se dopasti.    
'' Šta ćete vi ovde ?'' '' Zašto si se ti vratio? '' 
To su pitanja koja mi makar jednom  nedeljno dobijamo od ljudi koji sanjaju da odu iz Srbije, misleći da tamo negde mogu da žive bajku... Ali mi ih ubrzo uverimo da se bajka živi tamo gde si i odakle si, samo ako želiš i ako veruješ u bajke. Ako si pozitanon598341349, vredan, radan, snaći ćeš se svuda i svuda ćeš dati svoj maksimum, a naravno u svojoj zemlji, svojoj kući, najveću podršku možeš dobiti i pokazati se u najboljem svetlu. Naše iskustvo to i dokazuje. 
Budući da sam se školovala za turizmologa, naučila sam mnogo o kulturama i poslovanjima u drugim zemljama, imala prilike da upoznam ljude koji žive i rade u inostranstvu i saznam dosta o njihovom načinu života. Budući da potičem iz preduzetničke porodice i da sam svoje prve poslovne korake ostavrila već u desetoj godini, oduvek sam maštala o tome da imam svoj biznis, da budem svoj gazda i to je bila moja motivacija kroz celo školovanje i život uopšte.   
Kroz zanimanje svog oca, koji je poljoprivredni inspektor i posao svog brata koji je poljoprivrednik, naučila sam mnogo o zdravoj hrani i kvalitetnim namirnicama koje se proizvode kod nas u okolini, što me je navelo da veoma zavolim kuhinju i kreativnost koju ona nosi. A onda sam se ludo zaljubila u kuvara i tako je sve počelo. 
Radeći jedan online posao, iz fotelje, od kuće, upoznala sam jednog predivnog čoveka iz Pančeva koji je trenutno živeo u Čileu, a pre toga je proputovao skoro pa celi svet. I svuda je radio kao kuvar, Šef kuhinje, a oduvek je maštao, kao i ja da otvori svoju kuhinju i bude svoj gazda. Priče su nas spojile i upoznali smo se i lično. Vratio se u Srbiju jer je shvatio da je ovde rešenje i ostvarenje svih naših želja. Konkurisali smo na državne subvencije i uspeli da oživimo svoj zajednički projeanon3213561856. 
Osnovali smo naš Studio Dobre Hrane Ma Cuisine D'or u Novom Sadu, na Grbavici. To je ostvarenje naših zajedničkih snova. Već tri godine mi živimo, dišemo i radimo u našem Studiju, razvijamo  ideju o zdravoj, kvalitetnoj, vrhunskoj hrani svima dostupnoj. Moj suprug je školovani kuvar francuske kuhinje, radio je u mnogim kuhinjama širom sveta, u Beogradu, Parizu, na Azurnoj obali- Antibi,  Dubaiju, Kanadi, prekookeanskim brodovima, Gibraltaru, Čileu. On svaki dan stvara magiju od svežih namirnica kod nas u kuhinji, dok sam ja zadužena za prodaju, ono što najviše volim da radim i za šta smatram da najbolje radim. Dok mu pomažem u kuhinji, smišljam kako ću fotografisati i dočarati našim klijentima šta im tog dana sprema, jer kod nas je svakoga dana dnevni meni – iznenadjenje. Mi ne posedujemo anon1547754019cin i ne skladištimo namirnice, koncept našeg poslovanja je sveža hrana, sveže namirnice nabavljenje istog dana na pijaci ili od malih proizvodjača od kojih se smišlja meni i nastaje dnevni obrok za isti dan. Dnevni meni je za poneti, pakovan tako da sadrži ceo komplet i supu i glavno jelo i salatu i prilog i pecivo i desert.
Naši klijenti prepoznaju našu ideju i ljubav prema kuhinji i kvalitetnoj hrani. To su najčešće majke, ali i ljudi koji rade u kancelarijama i žele da se zdravo hrane i da znaju šta jedu u svojoj pauzi za ručak, kao i oni koji vežbaju i vode računa o svom telu i zdravlju. Iako mi uz ručak obavezno dajemo pecivo i kolač, naš obrok je kompletan i izbalansiran i dozvoljava takvu čast svaki dan. Mi koristimo brašna od leblebije, kukuruza, spelte, kamuta, diococuma… tako da su peciva i kolači integralni i nisko kalorični, uglavnom od sezonskog voća. Najponosniji smo na to što je naš rad prepoznat od strane naših klijenata i dodeljena nam je Velika Zlatna medalja Novosadskog Sajma 2019. za visoki kvalitet naše pite Tarta od šljive i čokolade u kori od leblebije i kukuruznog brašna, koja je bezglutenska.
Naše porodice, prijatelji i pre svega naša deca su nam najveća motivacija za posao, ali i najveća podrška u poslovanju i zbog toga smo im neizmerno zahvalni. Takodje smo zahvalni za odobrene državne subvencije, pomoću kojih smo pokrenuli posao, kao i podršku naše banke i odobren kredit koji nam je pomogao u poslovanju i pomogao da podignemo kvalitet proizvodnje.
Sada nam mladi kuvari dolaze na praksu, delimo svoje znanje i iskustvo sa njima, snimamo dečije emisije u kojima edukujemo kako roditelje, tako i decu o zdravim obrocima i zdravom načinu kuvanja i svakodnevno uživamo u svom poslu I živimo svoju bajku, baš ovde u Srbiji, gde smo oboje rodjeni I gde smo rodili našu decu. 
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2,66804,2019-12-03T17:14:02.363Z,12092,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,66786,anon3346229079,anon2585924321,"Dobrodosli, drago mi je da ste podijelili tako inspirativnu i pozitivnu pricu sa nama. Treba nam vise takvih primjera iz Srbije.
Imate srecu da ste odrasli u preduzetnickoj familiji, mnogi ljudi koje srecem nije dobila podrsku familije kad su tako pocinjali (ukljucujuci i mene).
Moja prica je [ovdje](https://edgeryders.eu/t/biti-ili-ne-biti-pitanje-je-sad/10723/2), moj cilj je imati izuzetna iskustva sa drugim ljudima i uvijek raditi korisne stvari za druge koje mi ujedno donose zaradu.
Glavna tema naseg projekta je dobrobit/blagostanje u Srbiji. Iz vase price ja bi rekao da ste ga vi nasli u radu u svojoj zemlji, baveci se sa vasom strasti i u medjuljudskoj interakciji.

Da li imate neki predlog ili ideje, na cemu bi nasa zajednica mogla poraditi u Srbiji sljedece godine? 

Pozdrav!"
3,66853,2019-12-04T09:59:55.043Z,12092,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,66786,anon2614214130,anon2585924321,"Cao i dobrodosli!
Bicu jako kratka- WOOOW! :slight_smile:
Kakva insirativna prica i kakav entuzijazam se oseca kod vas. Stvarno nam treba vise ovakvih ljudi. I srecna sam sto ste odlucili da nam se pridruzite da budete primer onima koji su jos uvek nesvesni mogucnosti, kako svojih tako i svog okruzenja.

Kako bi nasa zajednica(koja je jos u izgradnji :slight_smile: )  mogla da vam pomogne u nekoj vasoj zamisli?"
4,66861,2019-12-04T10:49:53.839Z,12092,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,66853,anon2585924321,anon2614214130,"Hvala mnogo na komplimentima, drago mi je da vam se dopada. 
Razmišljam u tom pravcu da odgovorim na vaše pitanjeovih dana. 

Hvala još jednom :)"
1,66656,2019-12-02T14:27:44.548Z,12075,0,11,10,3,0,0,17.2,66656,anon2384804228,anon2384804228,"Ovom pricom volela bih da pozdravim sve clanove ove organizacije i da podrzim ljude sa dobrom voljom da u Srbiji podstaknu nase mlade ljude da razmisljaju vise “out of the box” i koriste internet i poznanstva u bolje svrhe.

Ja sam jedna od onih koja je otisla “trbuhom za kruhom” u nadi da pronadjem bolje uslove za svoje dete.

Da razjasnim , svoje dete nisam rodila u Srbiji. Nisam otisla samo zbog vece plate , vec sam zelela da pruzim svom detetu bolju zdravstvenu pomoc i bolje mogucnosti obrazovanja . Upravo o tom obrazovanju je rec , koje ovde toliko zelimo - povezanon598341349je teorije sa praksom.Isto tako postoje mogunosti doskolovanja u bilo kom razdoblju zivota sa finansijskom podrskom , neke od tih mogucnosti koristim i ja.Po mom misljenju to nedostaje Srbiji , jer su neki upisali skole koje su im bile namenute i sada se snalaze sa time sto imaju , umesto da nadju ono sto ih zapravo zanima i prekvalifikuju se .

Ne mislim da nasa deca ovde nemaju mogucnost obrazovanja ili zdravstvene pomoci , samo mislim da je vreme da se ponesto tu promeni.

Dok se moje dete nije rodilo nisam bila svesna toga koliko vremena ja zapravo dnevno gubim na drustvenim mrezama.Da sam samo to vreme potrosila istrazujuci nesto korisno , gde bih ja sad bila hehe. Ali naucila sam svoju lekciju i ne zelim da se mom detetu isto to desi . Ova organizacija moze kroz radionice da nauci nasu omladinu novim stvarima , poveze sa ljudima i da pomogne da nauce vestine koje ih zanimaju.Zato sam ja tu ,da podrzim program gde se nasa deca i mladi nece osecati izgubljeno kad zavrse skolu , nego ce jedva ceanon3213561856i da osvoje svet sa svojim talentima i mogucnostima. 

Toliko zasad od mene , prijatan dan svima . :)"
2,66721,2019-12-02T20:18:52.649Z,12075,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,66656,anon2446385507,anon2384804228,"Zdravo @anon2384804228 ! Da li ste učestvovali na nekoj od dve radionice - u Bečeju ili u Beogradu? Možda smo se sreli i ne sećam se.
Da ste bili tamo, zanima me da li imate jednu ili dve stvari koje ste naučili i mislite da bi bile korisne u obrazovnom programu? Ova vrsta unosa će vam pomoći da shvatite koje su mogućnosti da zajedno napravite nešto."
3,66852,2019-12-04T09:56:10.670Z,12075,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,66656,anon2614214130,anon2384804228,"Cao, anon2384804228!
Dobrodosla u nasu zajednicu!
Drago mi je da cujem i drugu vrstu price, tj razloga za odlazak odavde. Takodje razmisljam o tome i iz istog razloga. Ne zato sto mislim da je ovde nemoguce ziveti, zivim ja jako lepo ovde vec upravo to- sirina i sloboda izbora i promena (na sebi) koje ovde i dalje predstavljaju bauka. cela moja rodbina je u inostranstvu i znam da je sasvim normalna stvar sa 45 reci ""E meni se vise ne radi ovo sto sam radila poslednjih 20 godina, ajde da radim na tome i promenim profesiju""
Licni prostor, licna interesovanja i imati kontrolu nad svojim zivotom je ovde... ne znam koji termin bih upotrebila. 
A na kraju krajeva, apsolutno ne zelim da se moja deca osecaju kao gradjani jedne drzave. Moja deca su stanovnici planete Zemlje i ne zelim da ih iko prisvoji. Oni su svoji ljudi, a ne svojina neke ljudske izmisljotine.
Da ne ponavljam anon2649858692mine reci, ali i mene zanima isto! :slight_smile:"
4,66856,2019-12-04T10:23:02.720Z,12075,0,7,6,1,0,0,36.4,66656,anon2384804228,anon2384804228,"Cao @anon2446385507 i  @anon2614214130 . 
Bila sam na radionici u Beceju . Zao mi je sto se nije malo vise ljudi odazvalo , ali radicemo na tome za sledeci put. Drago mi je sto sam bila jer , verovali ili ne, teme o kojima se tamo pricalo prolaze mojoj drugarici i meni skoro svaki dan kroz glavu , a nismo imale sa kime to da podelimo. A sada mozemo kroz diskusiju te teme da prosirimo. :slight_smile: 

Ljudi su ovde zauzeti sitnicama i brigama , naucili su da zive stil zivota “ kuca - posao , posao - kuca “. Volim sto se ovakve radionice desavaju jer smatram da je jako vazno da posadimo seme/ideju da ljudi uvide da sve pocinje od njih samih . Mi moramo biti ta promena . :slight_smile:"
1,66779,2019-12-03T12:07:59.974Z,12089,0,9,8,11,0,0,86.8,66779,anon592090309,anon592090309,"Škola društveno omladinskog preduzetništva, projeanon3213561856 je Novosadskog eduanon3213561856ivnog centra koji se realizuje u prethodne 2 godine. Prve godine smo podržani od strane OPENS-a, Evropske prestonice za mlade 2019. dok smo prošle godine bili podržani od strane Ministarstva omladine i sporta... Takođe od strane OPENS-a smo podržani i za banku vremena ali o tome u posebnom postu.

Novosadski eduanon3213561856ivni centar - NEC bavi se razvijanjem novog pristupa u obrazovanju, putem inovativnih radionica, online obuka, praktičnog i primenjivog programa i organizacijom događaja koji redizajniraju obrazovanje ka holističkom celoživotnom obrazovanju. Obrazovanju koje predstavlja naš put. Proces koji uvek traje.

Što se tiče programa **Škole društveno omladinskog preduzetništva,** kroz njega podržavamo mlade da budu proaktivni(ji), pokrenu posao kojim žele da se bave, spoznaju kako da reše određeni društveni problem, kreiraju pozitivni društveni uticaj i da stvore određenu vrednost.:hugs:

**Škola društveno omladinskog preduzetništva zasnovana je na principima saradnje, otvorenosti za kreatanon598341349 rad, razvoja kompetencija i inovativnosti kod mladih i predstavlja podsticajnu, stvaralačku sredinu. Naši predavači i mentori su tu da prenesu znanja, iskustva i veštine koje imaju.**

**Škola društveno omladinskog preduzetništva pruža obrazovne i mentorske usluge za:**
* Započinjanje i razvoj kreativnog poduhvata/projekta/ideje
* Razvijanje društvenog preduzetništva mladih prateći koncept (samo)održivog razvoja

U školi se bavimo razvijanjem kreativnog (stvaralačkog) pojedinca, njegovog ličnog i profesionalnog razvoja kao i umrežavanjem mladih i kreativnih ljudi. Učesnici programa učestvuju u stvaranju kreativnih i inovativnih ideja/događaja/usluga koje su sposobne rešavati probleme na konstruktanon598341349 i samoodrživ način.

U društveno omladinskom preduzetništvu ne radi se o jednom “geniju” koji čini čuda, nego o timu ljudi koji kombinuju snage, preduzimaju određene (isplanirane) akcije i iniciraju promene.

Tokom svih modula polaznici su podstaknuti da rade u timovima i ponude konkretno rešenje za određeni društveni problem. Ovi timovi su fokusirati na konkretna pitanja i određenu ciljnu grupu kako bi se istražili i ispitali uzroci problema. Rezultati tih istražanon598341349ja koriste se za identifikaciju šansi i mogućnosti, donošenje odluka i kreativno rešavanje problema.

Ovde imate [besplatan pristup online](http://online.skolapr.edu.rs/) programu ;)  Napomena: online program je ipak skraćena verzija celokupnog programa i zamišljena je kao podrška učesnicima istog...





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2,66854,2019-12-04T10:11:17.830Z,12089,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,66779,anon2614214130,anon592090309,"Dobrodosli u nasu zajednicu!
Zvuci kao da smo mi bas ono sto vama treba i mi bas ono sto vama treba :slight_smile:
Licno sam jako srecna sto vidim da se ljudi zaista zalazu za promene u skolstvu jer se iz apsolutno nepoznatih razloga ta tema zapostavlja kod nas. Ekonomsko stanje drzave direktno povezano sa sistemom obrazovanja. Kina je ovde gde jeste sada (ekonomski) jer je pre 20 godina shvatila da je skolstvo seme. Svake godine im je sistem obrazovanja sve napredniji i bolji, bas kao i ekonomsko stanje. 
Svetske sile se utrkuju da ih stignu ali vec su 20 godina ispred nas i rapidno napreduju. U prevodu, necemo ih nikada stici. Nece cak ni Finska, koja je poznata po dobrom sistemu obrazovanja, Srbiju necu ni da poredim.

Posto ste vec u ovim oblastima, mozete li nam reci sta prepoznajete kod mladih kao potrebu? Imate li predlog gde da usmerimo energiju sledece godine?"
1,62215,2019-10-24T17:29:18.540Z,11258,0,14,13,7,0,0,52.8,62215,anon1448129252,anon1448129252,"Hej wszystkich! Tu Mateusz. Lat 27.
Ostatnio anon1235093333łem rozkminę na temat selekcji  ludzi przeprowadzonej przez rząd w czasach PRL i zdominowaniu tym samym rynku, życia przez tych bogatszych/lepszych/zdrowszych. Ta selekcja trwa do dziś.
Kiedyś narzekano, że na półkach pustki. Teraz, gdy wszystko jest na wyciągnięcie ręki i możesz  to dostać - nie masz na to oszczędności. Znaczy, Ci co mają, trzymają się chyba całkiem dobrze (od zawsze tak było) a Ci co nie mają, często decydują się na wiele wyrzeczeń (rodzina, znajomi, zdrowie paychiczne jak i to fizyczne) aby tylko złapać ten cały kapitalizm za mały palec i nakryć się nim jak kołdrą do snu, bez syndromu niespokojnych nóg. 
Technologia poszła do przodu. Hej, powiedziałbym nawet, że wykurwiła w kosmos tak bardzo, jak zrobi to za jakiś czas technologia Starlink, która ma zapewnić satelitarny dostęp do internetu w każdym zakątku globu. Ojciec tej fantastycznej ideii to oczywiście Elon Musk. Tak. To ten bogaty. Coś tam słyszałem, że podjął współpracę z wojskiem i NASA. Więc robi się ciekawie. Podobno w 2024 lądowanie na księżycu v2. I taka o, ceremonia wysyłania człowieka na księżyc się nam szykuje co 55 lat.
Ktoś z was jeszcze pamięta samochód Warszawa? O mega solidnej konstrukcji. Jedyny znany mi samochód, który był w stanie przeżyć czołowanie ze Starem. Dzisiaj tesla wypuszcza na rynek samochody, które rozpędzają się do setki w przeciągu 1.9s uzyskując w tym czasie maksymalną prędkość 355km/h, jak nie więcej. 
Oj sporo się pozmieniało, sporo. Wróćmy do PRL i do naszej rzeczywistości. 
Uważam, że lata 1975-1989 to okres, który powinien zainteresować każdego. 
Ceny wszystkiego poszły tak w górę, jak ta technologia, którą wykładamy i serwujemy sobie na stół przy niedzielnym obiedzie. Z roku na rok możemy zaobserwować wzrost cen wszystkich możliwych rzeczy, wszystkich możliwych usług, wszystkiego co tylko możliwe do kupienia. Miniamalna 160 godzinna miesięczna pensja w 2020 ma wynosić 1470zł.  Załóżmy, że 19 letni, dorosły można już rzec człowiek, zamierza pójść na studia i w tym samym czasie znaleźć pracę aby utrzymać się w stolicy, gdzie jak to mówią ""praca leży na ulicy"".
Nie bójmy się słów, kto po 19 latach spędzonych z rodzicami nie ma ochoty na pełną samodzielność finansową i podejmowanie własnych decyzji?
Na 8h roboty w ciągu dnia nie ma co liczyć. Przecież są poranne zajęcia, wykańczające  harlekiny/cegły, które trzeba wyryć na pamięć, a po skończonej 5 letniej nauce -  większość zapomnieć. O studiach prywatnych nawet nie zacznę. Czesne pochłonęłyby większość zarobków. Więc wybiera pewnie pracę tylko w niektóre dni, niektóre pory dnia, niektóre godziny + 24h w ciągu soboty i niedzieli (odpoczywając raz na miesiąc w te chujowe niehandlowe). Samo wynajęcie mieszkania dla 1 osoby to cenaż ok. 1500zł ze wszystkimi opłatami. I na tym kończą mi się powoli słowa, bo zaczynam rozpaczać, jak trudny kraj, a raczej czasy, przyszło mi obserwować. Rząd polski pobawił się w selekcję naturalną. Takie ""pay to win"" I całkiem nieźle im wychodzi. Tak jak kiedyś dżinsy, walkman, magnetowid SONY, klocki lego, baton Mars, papierosy Malboro i wyjazdy za granice dostępne były tylko dla nielicznych i stanowiły pewnego rodzaju luksus. Tak dzisiaj smartfony, komputery i cała cyfrowa technologia, jest przez każdego młodego człowieka porządna. W dzisiejszych czasach, przy takich zarobkach i konfrontacją ich z rzeczywistością, młodzi ludzie zaczynają zderzać się ze ścianą, która zaanon1235093333st lecieć do przodu, wali nam się  prosto na łeb, tworząc rozmaite guzy, na które prześwietlenia czekamy miesiącami, latami. I jeszcze dobrze gdyby wyniki takie rzetelne pokazali co? Człowiek umrze i zdąży sie podnieść do tego momentu.
A państwo i tak uważa nas za młodych gniewnych, których życie zweryfikuje, i poukłada w swoim czasie.
Smutno mi. Jest mi zwyczajnie smutno."
2,62510,2019-10-29T20:58:29.985Z,11258,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,62215,anon2693311786,anon1448129252,"Hej Mateusz, wydaje mi się, że Cię rozumiem. Też doświadczam podobnej frustracji. Frustruje mnie, że godne życie w Polsce jest poza zasięgiem wielu ludzi. Że przez lata karmiło się nas bzdetami typu ""skończ studia i będziesz anon1235093333ł zajebiste życie"". Młodzi ludzie marząc o dostatku muszą często iśćna zgniły kompromis z korporacjam.  Kiedy marzą o robieniu czegoś w zgodzie ze sobą, to albo muszę godzić się na marną stawkę (jak np. w ngosach), lub robić to ""po godzinach"". A już czymś kompletnie chorym są realia finansowe w Warszawie. Wciąż mnie zastanawia jak inni dają tu radę, przy tak wyżyłowanych cenach..."
3,62545,2019-10-30T14:22:16.932Z,11258,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,62215,anon3593942245,anon1448129252,"hej @anon1448129252 - dzięki za te słowa, jestem pięć lat starsza, sporo podróżowałam i pracowałam w wielu krajach, wyedukowałam się i włożyłam nieskończoną ilość pracy i czasu w swoje relacje i możliwości zawodowe, i przyznaję, że po całym tym wysiłku nie czuję się wcale pewniej. Wiem, że mój kapitał ma szansę przełożyć się na wartościową pracę i być może ok płacę, ale nie jest to nic pewnego - nawet w Berlinie, w którym mieszkam, bywa różnie. Oczywiście, państwo dba o mieszkańców, ale do jakiego stopnia jest to możliwe w systemie tak nierozłącznym z kapitalizmem i zyskami, które generują korporacje i wielkie biznesy? Nawet progresywne prawa, np. nowe prawo w Berlinie zabraniające podnoszenia wynajmu przez nastepne 5 lat, są przyjmowane z zastrzeżeniami, np. to, że nie dotyczy to mieszkań umeblowanych.... no i w ten sposób prawo jest właściwie bezużyteczne. Płace nie rosną nigdzie tak szybko, jak koszty życia. Ja pracuę przy 2 projektach, mam w nich 3 role, i zarabiam na tym dość na OK życie - ale wtedy gorzej z czasem. 

Potrzebujemy szczerej rozmowy i podzielenia się takimi doświaczeniami żeby zbudować solidarność i konkretne pomysły na walkę z tą sytuacją. Polityka w dzisiejszym wydaniu marnie się sprawdza - oczywiście, gdybym znała rozwiązanie, nie deliberowałabym na forum o tym, co robić... ta bezsilność jest przerażająca, ale też motywująca. 

@anon2642761710 i @anon2971899728 - witajcie w grupie, jakie są wasze refleksje, życzenia, doświadczenia?"
4,66851,2019-12-04T09:47:45.216Z,11258,0,6,5,3,0,0,16.2,62215,anon1274458134,anon1448129252,"O jakże ważny temat poruszyłeś. Zasadniczo w naszym miejscu w Europie nigdy w ciągu ostatnich 100 lat nie było lekko. Pokolenie naszych dziadków w przeważającej większości zaharowywało się na niewielkich poletkach, rodzice gnieździli się na stancjach lub mieszkali z rodzicami jednocześnie pracując w fabrykach i kończąc technika/zawoidówki wieczorowe. Takie jest przynajmniej doświadczenie pokoleniowe w mojej rodzinie i wśród wielu moich znajomych. My teoretycznie mamy łatwiej-bo w sklepach mamy wszystko to co i na Zachodzie, komuny już nie ma i jakoś tak łatwiej teoretycznie brnąć przez życie. Dlaczego zatem jest tak do kitu? Czy to dlatego, że nasze pokolenie ma rozbuchane oczekiwania, przy jednoczesnym braku samodyscypliny i samozaparcia? Bo chcielibyśmy podróżować po świecie i jeździć samochodem średniej klasy i mieć własne M bez żadnego wysiłku? A może jednak wcale nie jesteśmy tacy roszczeniowi i coś nie tak jest z tymi czasami? @anon2693311786 To hasło o studiach też wielokrotnie słyszałem....Zasadniczo pracowałem już na studiach i podczas wakacji, ale były to raczej prace dorywcze.....No i jak skończyłem studia to po prostu było mi wstyd przed rodziną, że nie mam żadnej ""normalnej"" pracy - pracowałem w Empiku na 3/4 etatu, za jakieś 1100 zł. Mieszkając w Warszawie musiałem oczywiście pójść do kolejnej pracy aby móc coś jeść, bo niemal całą wypłatę pochłaniał czynsz i różne stałe opłaty. Trwało to niemal rok od zakończenia studiów. Kiedy udało się zacząć obecną pracę i zobaczyłem pierwszą wypłatę (1900 zł - to było 8 lat temu) to pomyślałem, że Boga złapałem za nogi. Teraz zarabiam nieco powyżej mitycznej ""średniej"" krajowej a i tak czuję, że coś jest nie tak. Musiałem wybierać - albo wynajmuję dla siebie mieszkanie i liczę każdy grosz, albo mając 33 lata i nie mając rodziny gnieżdżę się w mieszkaniu ""studenckim"" (tak naprawdę wszyscy loanon3213561856orzy to ludzie pracujący, już dawno po studiach - moi współloanon3213561856orzy to inżynier w państwowym zakładzie i dziennikarka). No ale przynajmniej stać mnie na takie luksusy jak wizyta u dentysty, hobby, oddanie 18 letniego Golfa do mechanika i nawet raz w roku wyjazd na Kaukaz lub Bałkany. Nie ironizując już, ja naprawdę nie mogę narzekać na swoją sytuację. Nawet mogę coś odłożyć na nieprzewidziane wydatki. A co maja powiedzieć ci, którzy również żyją w pojedynkę ale zarobki maja mniejsze? Za dużo by umrzeć, za mało by żyć. Doskonale pamiętam ta frustracje, gdzie za dość ciężką i wyanon1547754019jącą pracę (kto pracował w obsłudze klienta ten wie ;) ) dostawałem pensje, która nie wystarczała na przeżycie w dużym mieście."
1,64490,2019-11-18T11:50:29.418Z,11606,0,10,9,3,0,0,32.0,64490,anon1139497459,anon1139497459,"*Problematika sociálního vyloučení v Česku byla dlouho vyprávěna buď jako skupinový etnický problém romských ghett (Hirt a a Jakoubek se nebáli dokonce označení ""kultura chudoby"") nebo jako individuální selhání lidí na ulici závislých na alkoholu. Velmi často byli za viníky označovaní sami lidé v nouzi a o nějakých systémových problémech se dlouhou dobu nemluvilo. Nemluvilo se o důsledcích privatizace, financializaci bydlení a diskriminaci na trhu s bydlením.*

<i>V mezičase se bydlení (protože nebylo politikem, nebylo hájeno, nebylo chráněno jako základní lidské právo) stalo komoditou stejně jako automobily, zlato nebo brambory. K bydlení se tak nepřistupovalo jako k základnímu předpokladu k udržení práce, fyzického a psychického zdraví či sociálního statusu, ale jako vysoutěženým políčkům ve hře Monopoly.</i>

<i>Nyní, v době krize bydlení se zase mluví zejména o bytech, výstavbě a financích ""nalitých"" do projektů výstavby. Mluví se o parcelách, stavebních povoleních, smlouvách; méně často se ale mluví o lidech, kteří potřebují střechu nad hlavou, o rodinách s dětmi na ubytovně, starých lidech v tenatech domácího násilí v potřebě udržet si bydlení či lidech s duševním onemocněním, kteří jsou v psychiatrických nemocnicích jen proto, že nemají finanční prostředky na samostatné bydlení.</i>

*Jakožto socioložka, zabývající se již delší dobu problematikou sociálního vyloučení a nedostupnosti bydlení, mám stále pocit, že prostor pro diskuze o bydlení je velmi značný v oblasti územního rozvoje a architektury. Architekti, projektanti a developeři jsou partnery pro politiky ve vyjednávání o podobě bydlení, přitom bydlení je hlavně o lidech (z ohrožené a strádající třídy) a jejich potřebách a až následně o stavbě a územním plánování.*"
2,64586,2019-11-18T21:22:58.489Z,11606,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64490,anon3353600255,anon1139497459,"Díky moc za příspěvek k tematu bydlení - myšlenka dehumanizace bydlení a jeho lidského rozměru je rozhodně trefná. Určitě i ono územní plánování svůj vliv má, azdá se však, že platící zákazník je středem zájmu zúčastněných stran. Zajímalo by mě, v jiné debatě na toto téma ([(Ne)dostupné bydlení aneb (ne)spokojený život mladého Pražáka](/t/ne-dostupne-bydleni-aneb-ne-spokojeny-zivot-mladeho-prazaka/11115)) jsme narazili na kvóty garantující procento kapacit nových staveb pro dostupné bydlení - myslíte si, že takový princip je funkční, a to i z hlediska narušení či omezování zmiňované ghettoizace těch s malými nebo žádnými prostředky?"
3,66595,2019-12-02T10:24:05.037Z,11606,1,2,1,1,0,0,10.4,64490,anon4241195410,anon1139497459,"Dovolím si zareagovat, Jirko, s malou zajímavostí - místo, kde jsme hacanon3213561856hon pořádali je sídlem spolku http://www.tripitaka.cz/ - které bojuje s gentrifikaci, snaží se propojovat komunity a dělat kulturu - ať v tzv. ""Brněnském Brnoxu"". Brněnský Bronx je učebnicovým příkladem - vylocena lokalita a zároveň lukrativní místo - gentrifikace tu probíhá ve velkém a je to zatím jen začátek, relk bych.

a obávám se, že čas potvrdí tvoje slova - hlavní slovo mají peníze zákazníka."
4,66794,2019-12-03T14:36:34.757Z,11606,0,2,1,1,0,0,20.4,66595,anon3353600255,anon4241195410,"Díky za odkaz - o tom jsem vůbec nevěděl a je skvělé, že se nad tím lidé zamýšlí i takhle proaktivně. Když to tak vidím, mám pocit, že trochu trpím zkresleným úhlem pohledu. Vyrůstal jsem v okrajové části velkého města, které tyhle problémy do značné míry zdánlivě doposud nedotkly. Vypadá to u nás pořád stejně jako před třiceti lety - akorát ty paneláky jsou nově nahozený:) (mimochodem dostal jsem teď k narozkám tuhle [knížku](http://www.earch.cz/cs/revue/vychazi-nova-kniha-sidliste-dablice-architektura-pro-lidi-nabizi-odborne-texty-i-rozhovory-s), kterou napsali místní patrioti, docela zajímavě se snaží překonat negativní stereotyp socialistického sídliště) řadovky ve staré dělnické kolonii jsou pořád řadovky a sem tam vyrostl na konci 90. let cluster ""moderních"" dražších vilek a činžáků, ale je jich vlastně minimum. Kamarádka z Rumunska s manželem si nedávno pronajali kousek od nás garsonku a fakt jsem padl do kolen, kolik si za ní majitel řekl. Z hlediska skladby místních obyvatel se mi přesto zdá, že se to zatím příliš nemění, spíš vidím změny k lepšímu - prostředí je víc mezinárodní (ostatně i my s manželkou k tomu přispíváme) a množí se místní komunitní a jiné projekty, které se nějak snaží uchopit tu místní sídlištní identitu a rozvíjet ji pozitivně (https://kc-hrubeho.cz; http://www.tichakavarna.cz ad.) To je pro mě jak z Marsu, já si pamatuju na těch místech prázdný nonstopáče-pračky peněz:) Jen si tak říkám, až se kvůli cenám nájemného většina současných obyvatel bude muset vystěhovat, tak to asi všechno vezmou buldozerem, protože za ty peníze do těch paneláků nikdo chtít jít bydlet nebude."
1,66494,2019-11-30T16:32:32.843Z,12057,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,66494,anon3538120628,anon3538120628,"Četl jsem několik příspěvků tady na platformě a ten můj je hodně odlehčený vzhledem k závažným otázkám, co ostatní řeší, ale i tak se podělím… A předesílám, že respektuju, že si každý fandí komu a čemu chce, nebo ničemu, je to svoboda volby… Díky bohu za ní!!!

Pražák (a možná i vzdálenější po celé republice-kupodivu!) to od útlého věku někdy slyšel: „SPARTA NEBO SLAVIA, VOLE!?“ S takto zásadní otázkou mě začali „obtěžovat“ spolužáci už v první třídě… „Je mi to jedno“ jim nestačilo… Ale mně je to fakt jedno, věř mi, kámo! Nevěřili… Šel jsem se zeptat o 5 let staršího bratránka (2) žijícího taky v Kobylisích, *jak se věci mají.*

1 (skoro se slzama v očích): Co jim na to mám odpovědět?

2: Bratránku, vole, co to je za votázku? Víš přece, kde je Matějská pouť, ne?!

1: Jóó, autodrom a střelnice, to jsou čtyři zastávky sedumnáctkou ke Stromovce…

2: No a sám víš, že je hned vedle hokejová hala – Sparťanská…

1: Z labutí jsem to zahlídl…

2: A ten stadion tady nahoře na Letný je asi co?!

1: (velmi, ale velmi nejistě) SS-parta . . .

2: A víš, kde je Eden?

1: V nebi?!

2: Ne, někde ve Střešovicích… víš, kde to je?

1: Daleko… Co ten autodrom?

2: Sparta voe!

Od tý doby jsem tak nějak sparťan, ačkoli to absolutně neprožívám. Několikrát jsem se byl podívat na stadionu, ale když se téměř celou dobu z kotle ozývalo „jude slavie“ následovaný hajlováním, naprosto se mi jakýkoli fanouškovství zhnusilo a – možná paradoxně – považuju sparťanský fanoušky za ty největší tupce, hulváty a neohleduplný nýmandy. A tak jsem se opět rád stal neutrálním fanouškem, ale protože bydlím pořád stejně a Matějská pouť je pořád na stejným místě, úplně neutrální nejsem. Co mě ovšem zaráží – v Anglii a vlastně všude po světě s problémem hooligans dokáží poměrně efektivně bojovat: vedou si databáze problematických fanoušků, kteří mají doživotní zákaz chodit na stadion, všichni podstupují důkladné kontroly, aby na stadion nepronesli nějaké nebezpečné předměty, atp. Zatímco u nás to tak nefunguje – ačkoli je pyrotechnika zakázaná, na většině utkání se objeví, kluby za její použití platí pokuty, které jsou ale směsně malé a místo toho, aby se proti tomuto jevu bojovalo nějak koncepčně, vede se nekonečná polemika o tom, jestli k té správné fotbalové atmosféře pyrotechnika patří či nikoli (bohužel mírná většina i neortodoxních fanoušků hlasuje „pro“). Když se spekulovalo o tom, že se na stadiony umístí kamery na rozpoznávání obličejů problematických fanoušků, narazilo to na GDPR, takže se ten nápad smetl ze stolu… A koncepce žádná. Ano, může mi to být jedno, ale na stadion se nepůjdu podívat jednak proto, že nechci tenhle nekoncepční systém podporovat, ale hlavně proto, že mám opravdový strach. Nedávno z kotle (tentokrát to sic nebyl sparťanský, ale to jim žádné plusové body nepřidává) nějaký idiot hodil světlici do sektoru, kde seděli rodiče s dětmi, světlice posléze bouchla u nějaké maminky, která tam šla pouze jako doprovod, výbuch jí prorazil ušní bubínek a do konce života bude mít sluchové problémy. Ani toto ovšem nevedlo k tomu, aby se s tím začalo něco dělat – malá aférka, nějaká ta pokuta a opět ticho po pěšině… Přestože spousta lidí vnímá GDPR jako „další buzeraci ze strany Unie“, já poměrně toto opatření chápu jako ochranu koncového uživatele v dnešní virtuální době. Co ale nechápu je fakt, že se nezavádějí opatření bojující proti stupiditě a nebezpečí (života) například na stadionech… Je to sice velmi marginální téma, ale já jako polo-nestranný fanoušek se cítím v nepohodě, když „nemůžu“ jít v klidu na stadion… Potýkali jste se někdy s podobnou nepohodou, nebo je vám to jedno a nemusíte to řešit? Přijde mi totiž, že takových nekoncepčností se u nás vyskytuje velké množství – inu, né nadarmo se říká, že ryba smrdí od hlavy…"
2,66792,2019-12-03T14:12:42.711Z,12057,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,66494,anon3353600255,anon3538120628,"Ahoj, díky moc za to, že sis k nám našel cestu! Ono to o čem píšeš vůbec není nedůležitý, nebo nezávažný. Každá komunita - tak jako ta naše - si nějakým způsobem nastavuje pravidla svýho chování, co budou akceptovat a co ne. Zdá se mi, že pravdilem je, že lidi nechtěj bejt za prudiče a tak radši přejdou věci, které se jim samotným nelíbí. No a potom už se to tak trochu veze. 

Mám trochu podobnou i když úplně jinou zkušenost s hudebním udnergroundem, kde se vyskytuje spusta různých názorů, poslední dobou se mi zdá, že se fanouškovská komunita celkově povolila uzdu nějakejm vnitřním limitům. Když jdeš potom na koncert, kde je 50 lidí, je zajímavý se kouanon3213561856, nakolik různá skladba lidí, místo, kapely a to kdo danou akci pořádá samo reguluje, jak se ty lidi chovaj. Většina z nich se zná, ať už z podobných akcí, nebo místa, kde žijou a vždycky se chvíli rozkoukávají, jaká bude ten den nálada - v tomhle množství Tě prostě každej vidí, za dav se tak lehce neschováš. S přibývajícím množstvím piva a když se objeví nějakej ""roztleskávač"" začne zábava. Musím říct, že se to stává tak v jednom z asi 20 případů, ale mně se prostě pak nechce jezdit hrát znova někam, kde se hajlovalo - i když to třeba byl jedinec, je to takovej divnej vnitřní pocit. Na rovinu - pořadatel, většinou fanoušek nebo muzikant, co dělá koncert s pár kámošema ve volným čase - nemůže každýho obejít, prověřit, poprat se s ním a úspěšně ho vyhodit z klubu, vlastně je to vůči nim nefér to házet jenom na ně. 

Myslím si, že je to trochu otázka vnitřní kultury tý skupiny, kam až nechá ty lidi zajít. Sám jsem to zažil i z týhle strany na jednom menším festivalu, kde se objevila malá skupinka lidí (asi tak 5 z 600), který tam přijeli přesně tímhle způsobem provokovat, zkoušeli kam až můžou zajít. Pořadatelé potom dostali v rámci online diskuze vyčiněno od některých návštěvníků, že s tím nic neudělali - lidi se dají případně vyhodit, dá se zavolat policie, ale vlastně se celá věc odehrávala jako takové ""fórky"" na hraně, okraji dění. Zarážející bylo, že se proti těmto stížnostem zvedla nevole od další menší skupinky s argumenty a la svoboda slova, nikomu to nevadilo, ty máš taky svůj názor atp..V tomhle případě mi přijde, že to sice vlastně vadí většině lidí, ale nikdo nestojí o problémy, nechce se zapojit..upřímně, já sám o to v pozici muzikanta/návštěvníka, co měl už docela dost piv, taky moc nestál a zbaběle jeden takovej zarážející provoanon3213561856ivní moment přešel (házel jsem zlý pohledy a pak radši odešel do backstage, abych se do toho zbytečně moc neopřel), nic se nestalo, nebyla to žádná agrese, opět ""fórek"", ale...říkal jsem si ""co bude příští rok?"" 

To už jsem byl v pozici spolupořadatele a musím říct, že vše proběhlo v daleko větším klidu, zdálo se, že všichni přijeli na muziku. A dokonce se stalo, že jednomu extrémně problémovému jedinci nebyl na základě předchozích zkušeností odepřen vstup - panovala na tom v týmu naprostá shoda, nikdo z návštěvníků si nestěžoval, takže když si to nakonec dokážou zregulovat metloši, proč ne fotbaloví fanoušci? Takže si nemůžu nechat pro sebe jednu poznámku:)  Většina mých kamarádů fandí Spartě (já na fotbal nikdy moc nebyl) a - přestože mám o tvrdym jádru podobnou představu, jako ty, - jsou to naprosto normální v pohodě lidi, se kterýma jsem vyrostl a dál v poklidu žiju vedle nich. Možná kdyby jednoho s ""jasným názorem"" deset jeho spolufandů poslalo do pr..., už by se necejtil stejně pevnej v kramflecích..a v tomhle ohledu se budu snažit pracovat i na sobě."
1,65226,2019-11-22T18:48:42.874Z,11751,1,9,8,3,0,0,51.8,65226,anon4025559169,anon4025559169,"Ivan Đurić
Inicijativi mladih za ljudska prava uručena je nagrada Vaclav Havel za ljudska prava na svečanoj ceremoniji u Strazburu. Ivan je držao govor. Obratio se Evropi. Pričao je u ime svih nas sa ovih prostora. Pričao je o miru, objasnio je mir. Rekao je ono što odzvanja u svima nama  ""...ne pravite se gluvi na zvuk ratnih bubnjeva nad Balkanom.
Mi nismo stranci, mi smo Evropljani!""
Sve to zvuči wow. I jeste wow. Mada svako ko zna Ivana nije iznenađen. Sve se to videlo u njemu dok je još bio dete. Izuzetno fino, pametno i šarmantno dete. Sada borac. Strastven kada su u pitanju ljudska prava. Prvi red iza zastave u duginim bojama. Na ulici. Okružen policijom i tipovima sa bejzbol palicama. Frustriranim tipovima sa bejzbol palicama. Mi ovde to tako radimo. Negde tamo su ponosni na takvim manifestacijama, imaju osećaj da rade nešto dobro, ovde je to hrabrost koja se graniči sa ludilom. Srbija je mesto gde za ponos moraš imati mu...ovaj hrabrost. 
Pitali smo ga, a on je odgovarao...
1.Kako bi voleo da te opisuju kad nisi u prostoriji?

 Voleo bih da mi ljudi veruju, i da misle o meni da bih bio pоželjan sagovornik – slagali se ili ne. I da me ne pominju bez preke potrebe.

 2.Šta kažeš sebi kad je situacija bzvz a ne možeš ništa da promeniš?

Biće gore ali i za to treba biti spreman.

3.Na koje svoje uverenje si ponosan? Mislim na neko koje nema veze sa onima kojima su te roditelji&co učili, a donosi ti wellbeing.

Ponosan sam na ona uverenja koja su prošla test vremena, i koja su preživela sva preispitanon598341349ja – moja, ali i bliskih ljudi i šire javnosti. Srećan sam što sam naučio razliku između uverenja i pukog mišljenja.

4.Kako se osetiš kada napustiš granicu Srbije?

Svaki put sve ravnodušnije, voleo bih da te granice ne postoje – baš kao u šengenskoj odnosno zapadnoj Evropi. Voleo bih da se ljudi tako osete i kada dođu u Srbiju, odakle god da su došli. Kao da je sve to naše.

5.Šta je to što ovde škripi? Ne na nivou politike i ekonomije, nego na nivou pojedinca (iz
kojih se i izrodila ovakva situacija)

Niko nema osećaj odgovornosti, svako u haosu želi da nađe svoju šansu. To je stav – ako je sve oko nas loše, OK je da ja budem jednako loš ili još samo malo lošiji. Ako je kolaps u saobraćaju, mogu i ja da stanem sa sva 4 migavca na šine samo da kupim cigare, ne razumevajući da dodatno doprinosim tom kolapsu. Ako niko ne plaća prevoz, neću ni ja, ali ću stalno govoriti kako sam u Švedskoj platio jer je tamo sve uređeno. Najglasniji među nama su oni koji ne poštuju nikakav red, a najviše vole kad je uređeno.

To je istovremeno odsustvo odgovornosti na ličnom i na opštem planu. Nismo naučili da je svako od nas odgovoran za stanje našeg društva, našeg grada ili zajednice, nego svako pokušava da gura po svome za svoju današnju, momentalnu korist.

6.Pored ovih dobrih stvari za koje se zalažeš, baviš se još jednom dobrom-muzikom. Osim što ti donosi zadovoljstvo šta još bavljenje muzikom čini za tebe?

Upoznao sam Srbiju i pre svega unutrašnjost, ali i Beograd, na način na koji ne verujem da bih drugačije mogao. Koliko su sredine i ljudi različiti, kakve su dinamike i navike, pa čak za ovih 16 godina i kako se mesta i struktura ljudi menja.

Najveće iskustvo i zadovoljstvo ipak je provesti više od polovine života u jednom kolektivu-bendu, koji je uspeo da ostane veran sebi koliko god da smo se mi lično menjali u tom periodu ili su se neki članovi promenili.

7.U čemu uživaš ovde? Šta sa ponosom pokažeš strancima sa ""Vidi, BRE!!!""?

To što smo uprkos svemu i uprkos svima i dalje deo sveta, što razmišljamo i razgovaramo o istim stvarima. Strancima najviše volim da pokažem moje prijatelje, jer znam da će ih zainteresovati – način na koji razmišljaju, šta i kako rade, i način na koji se provode. To je veoma slično kao tamo negde – ali ipak naše i specifično.

8.Da imas magični štapić šta bi ubacio svakom građaninu Srbije u glavu?

Da su prvenstveno građani a tek onda građani Srbije ili Srbi. Svim narodima u istoriji sveta koji su u tome uspeli, sudbina je bila daleko bolja – države su postale demokratske, uspešnije i otvorenije, a građani slobodniji, bogatiji i srećniji.

Jako smo ponosni što će biti jedan od učesnika u EdgeRyders radionici u Beogradu."
2,66648,2019-12-02T13:50:03.942Z,11751,0,6,5,1,1,0,6.2,65226,anon2446385507,anon4025559169,"[quote=""anon4025559169, post:1, topic:11751""]
To je istovremeno odsustvo odgovornosti na ličnom i na opštem planu. Nismo naučili da je svako od nas odgovoran za stanje našeg društva, našeg grada ili zajednice, nego svako pokušava da gura po svome za svoju današnju, momentalnu korist.
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Zanimljivo. Možete li nam dati primer prijatelja ili ljudi iz vaše generacije koji preuzimaju odgovornost? Kako žive dobar i uspešan život u Srbiji? Da li biste rekli da su srednja ili viša klasa?

PS @anon4025559169 ilo je zaista zadovoljstvo upoznati vas na radionici! Žao mi je što nisam razumeo vaš razgovor, ali pročitao sam beleške i imaću još pitanja :-)

(*Sorry, I'm writing with google translate to keep the conversation in your language. I think it is preferable)*"
1,66482,2019-11-30T12:18:51.336Z,12053,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,66482,anon292297048,anon292297048,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Niestety wiele osób porównuje Polskę do Białorusi i Ukrainy. Na tle tych państw rządzonych przez satrapów Polska wydaje się szybko zbliżać materialnie do krajów zachodnich. Jednak wystarczy spojrzeć trochę głębiej i poza największa anon1235093333sta aby zorientować się, że beneficjentami funduszy strukturalnych UE i kapitalizmu jest przede wszystkim bardzo wąska grupa społeczna.. 

Jestem niezależnym producentem filmowym i radiowym. Realizuje obecnie serial audycji radiowych dla audioteka.pl pt. PLAN B dotykający ważnych tematów społecznych.

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Interesują mnie przede wszytkim tematy związane z reprywatyzacją i problemami loanon3213561856orskimi w Warszawie. Przygotowuję w tej chwili materiał radiowy z tym związany.



**Imię lub nickname:** Maciek Hamela"
2,66483,2019-11-30T12:34:51.495Z,12053,1,4,3,1,0,0,10.8,66482,anon3593942245,anon292297048,Zapraszamy do nas na Bracka :)
3,66616,2019-12-02T12:04:36.771Z,12053,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,66483,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Cześć Maciek! poznaliśmy się na Brackiej, i masz nagrania, które też bardzo chciałabym mieć - możesz je podesłać na natalia@anon

I gdybyś anon1235093333ł ochotę, napisz na platformie krótko o tym, jakie wrażenia zrobiło na Tobie nasze spotkanie :) 

Dzięki wielkie i do następnego ;) N"
1,62139,2019-10-23T16:40:14.845Z,11242,0,5,4,2,0,0,11.0,62139,anon3177138536,anon3177138536,"***Co děláš v životě, co je tvoje profese?***
Učitel. V současnosti ředitel na základní škole, už třicátým rokem, jinak učitel matematiky a dílen.

***Čeho si na svoji práci nejvíc ceníš a co Tě na ní naopak nejvíc otravuje?***
Cením si na ní, že jsem neustále s mladými lidmi. Každý den i každá hodina je jiná. I když teď jsem v podstatě manažer a úředník, ale ještě učím, takže je fajn, že to není nějaká rutina. A otravuje mě nedostatek vize tohoto státu pro školství. Žádná strategie tu netrvá déle než třeba rok nebo dva. A samozřejmě velká administrativa a nedostatek financí, takže si nemůžeme moc vybírat kvalitní učitele a taky o každou korunu musíme bojovat přes různé dotace a programy.

***Změnily se výrazně podmínky pro vaši práci v návaznosti na společensko-politické ovzduší?***
Náš stát nemá ve vzdělávání koncepci. Koncepci, které by se držel, ať je u moci kterákoli ze stran. Takhle se každý ministr rozkoukává, pak něco teda změní - a je to od stěny ke stěně.
Takže si nemůžeš nic naplánovat dopředu. Ministerstvo školství není silové ministerstvo a politiky zajímá jenom před volbami, bohužel.

Na druhou stranu je potřeba říct, že se podmínky zlepšují v platech. Samozřejmě to není jenom o penězích, ale ve společnosti člověk má takovou prestiž, jaký bere plat. A když učitel řekne ve třídě, kolik bere peněz, tak se mu děti smějí. Pak na některé předměty člověk musí vzít toho, kdo zaklepe na dveře, protože učitelé prostě nejsou. To se pak samozřejmě odráží na úrovni vzdělávání.

Hodně se změnilo vybavení škol, tam je obrovský skok dopředu. Je to bohužel ne tolik díky koncepci státu, ale hlavně díky evropským projektům. Třídní kniha, žákovská knížka se děje na elektronické bázi a to je pro všechny nástroj a zjednodušení.

***Jak se za těch 30 let proměnily děti?***
Myslím, že děti jsou pořád stejné, akorát teď mají jiné možnosti. Když jsem začínal roku 82, tak se nám učilo jinak, protože nebylo tolik dalších věcí, které ty děti mohly dělat. Nebyly internety, nebyly sociální sítě. Takže děti se snadněji soustředily na školu, dělaly sport, byly venku. A teda nebylo tolik toho nebezpečí a šikany na sociálních sítích.

Taky samozřejmě v současné době učitel nemůže být jen doručitel informací. Teď má hlavně pomoct v orientaci a v tom, kam se tam se to dítě vrtne. Ať je zajímá jakýkoliv obor, tak si může najít na internetu, co potřebuje. Děti teď mají víc možností vzdělávat se zcela sami, - už nemají jenom školu.

A velká změna je v tom, že rodiče nemají na děti čas. Pak svoje problémy řeší, nebo spíš neřeší, s tím, že: Aaaa za vše může škola; Aaaaa já budu všechno řešit s právníkem. Ono se může zdát, že ty děti jsou drzejší, ale já myslím, že je to spíš tím, že se učitelé ani děti nemůžou opřít o rodiče.

Ale vracím se zpátky k dětem. Podle mě jsou pořád stejné.

***Co bys označil za svůj největší profesní úspěch a největší neúspěch. Jestli to jde říct za těch 30 let.***
Já si myslím, že už to je úspěch, že jsem tam těch třicet let. (úsměv) Za úspěch považuji, že ještě pořád po třiceti letech mám, i podle kolegů, nějaké vize a že pořád chci dělat nové věci. Samozřejmě těch věcí bylo víc za těch mnoho let, co se podařilo, ale nemá cenu to vypichovat. Myslím si, že hlavní věc je, že škola je vnímána jako dobrá škola v rámci možná i nějakého širšího Brna. Jako neúspěch beru, že nejsem manažerský důslednější a tvrdší.

***Teď přeskočím na politiku. Jaké máš ze současného politického vývoje pocity? A máš do budoucna strach, z toho jak to bude dál?***
Já musím předeslat, že jsem pravicový volič. Vždycky jsem volil ODS. I když měla svoje problémy. Naštvala mě opoziční smlouva.

Nevadí mi, že volby vyhrálo ANO. Po tom jsem volal, když jsem zvonil klíči, aby byly svobodné volby. Ale myslím si, že ANO nemá žádnou koncepci a že jsou spíš o tom, co zrovna chcou lidi a co je zrovna populární. A vadí mně předseda vlády, který je trestně stíhaný. Mrzí mě, že prezident překračuje své pravomoci dané ústavou. Mám mám strach z toho, že se naše země bude přiklánět k Východu. A že se vzdalujeme z toho demokratického principu, k nějakému pseudo systému, kde si pár lidí bude dělat, co chce.

***A je tady nějaká schopná nebo silná alternativa ke straně ANO nebo k premiérovi?***
Zatím tam tam nikoho nevidím. Hovoří se o tom, že udělají čtyřkoalici, aby porazili ANO. Už to tady bylo jednou a tehdy to ztroskotalo, protože ty strany se pak nedomluvily. Tak uvidíme.

Bohužel nevidím ani v ODS výraznou opozici. Pana Fialu uznávám jako osobnost - myslím, že je slušný chlap. Ale taky si myslím, že stavět politiku jenom na negování všeho, co řekne Babiš, je taky špatně. Nevidím ani tam žádnou koncepci a nemám rád politiku ve stylu: vy jste to zavedli, tak já to zruším. Bohužel to vypadá, že politický systém je teď o tom, co nějaký šéf charismatický možná i populistický namluví lidem. Lidi nezajímá nějaký program, hlasují podle pocitu a zajímá je nějaký ranař, který všechno zařídí. A já se musím přiznat, že taky moc nečtu ten program. Jsem takový pocitový volič ODS. (úškleb) Je to u mě taky o lenosti si to přečíst.

Líbí se mi Piráti na celostátní úrovni, mají rozumný názory, ale zatím jsou tam krátce. Komunisty vůbec neřeším, neřeším SPD, to jsou strany pro mě obskurní.

***Nakonec otázku na odlehčení: Těšíš se na důchod?***
Ne, netěším, chtěl bych pracovat co nejdéle, protože vidím v práci smysl. Neříkám, že ve škole, tam to mám ještě na pár let, dá-li Pán Bůh - a starosta. Ale pak by chtěl něco dělat určitě."
2,62364,2019-10-28T11:18:47.570Z,11242,1,3,2,1,0,0,10.6,62139,anon3353600255,anon3177138536,"Díky moc za zajímavé postřehy a sdílení názorů prostřednictvím tohoto rozhovoru. Přijde mi důležité, že o učení lze uvažovat jako o kariéře, která přináší i pozitivní životní pocity:) Přeci jen, chápu učení jako práci na celý život a naprosto souhlasím s tím, že  tahle práce má ve společnosti nějaký obraz, stojí podobně jako jiné obory veřejné služby trochu mimo různé módní trendy. To, že finančně to asi nikdy nikdy nebude na zbohatnutí je jasné, ale přeci jen, učitelé prostě budou vždycky potřeba. Já sám mám za sebou nějakých 6 let učení na vysoké škole, ale tam je situace trochu jiná, vlastně učení ani nemohu považovat z hlavní náplň své práce. Co může stát podle Vás udělat pro to, aby zvýšil atraktivitu učitelství jako povolání, nebo změnilo se dokonce za poslední dobu něco v tomhle ohledu pozitivním směrem? A i možná z pohledu ředitele - co potenciálním uchazečům o práci v oboru školy nabízí, aby je ""přetáhly"" (protože předpokládám, že finanční podmínky jsou ve státním školství víceméně všude stejné)?"
3,66600,2019-12-02T10:44:08.253Z,11242,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,62364,anon4241195410,anon3353600255,"já si myslím, Jirko, že se situace tochu mění a současná mladá generace vidí v učitelství poslání a velmi smysluplnou praci. zase nám musí dát zapravdu čas."
1,66492,2019-11-30T16:26:54.969Z,12056,0,5,4,2,0,0,11.0,66492,anon3466914338,anon3466914338,"Musim povedat ze Brno mi ako cudzincovi prilahlo k srdcu. Asi preto, ze si ako cudzinec vobec nepripadam.  Bude to uz viac ako 2 roky, co sme sa  s manzelkou prestahovali do Brna z Bratislavy.   V obidvoch mestach vie clovek najst dobre podniky, zaujimavu a dobre platenu pracu, priatelskych ludi. Ak mam ale najst nejaky rozdiel tak je to prave vtom, aky ma Brno nepostradetelny genius loci. Tento duch mesta citim zakazdym ked prechadzam parkom Luzanky, alebo beham po schodovej, pripadne sedim na zemi na anon714634410aku alebo stojim pri jednom v Blahovke. Nebudem rozpravat o hipsterskych gastronomickych miestach, ktorych je ako pokut po ""cisteni chodnikov"". Skor by som vyzdvihol pocetnu vietnamsku komunitu s ich uprimnym usmevom a skvelym jedlom, ktoreho sa neviem nabazit. Aby som len nechvalil a povedal aj nieco co ma rozculuje, tak to bude prave uz spominane cistenie chodnikov, ktore sa mi zda prilis caste a sposobuje mi to ako vlastnikovi auto problemy. Taktiez stymto suvisi aj rozdavanie zrebov za stierace, ktore sa mi uz par krat podarilo ""vyhrat"". Nemozem sa stazovat na pokutu za nevhodne parkovanie na preplnenej ceste, skor ma hneva nasledne sposob akym sa priestupok riesi. Ja si nastastie mozem v pracovnej dobe odskocit na mestsku policiu vyriesit priestupok, ale nie kazdy ma takyto luxus. Navzdory tymto nevychytanym veciam je Brno super miesto na zivot, ci uz kratkodobo alebo dlhodobo."
2,66573,2019-12-02T09:13:40.522Z,12056,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,66492,anon3353600255,anon3466914338,"Ahoj díky moc za názor. Je super, že Brno působí takhle sympaticky a člověk se v něm cítí dobře. S čištěním silnic a chodníků mám ""super"" zkušenosti v Praze, je mi líto, že v Brně se s tím potýkáš taky. Zajímal by mě ten genius loci - v Brně jsem nikdy nežil - dokázal bys to blíž popsat? Je to nějaký pocit bližšího sousedství, komunity, většího zapojení místních obyvatel do místního života?"
3,66588,2019-12-02T10:16:45.657Z,12056,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,66492,anon4241195410,anon3466914338,"Teo, diky moc za prispevek a jsem moc rad, ze se Vam s Lucii v Brne libi!
Doufam taky, ze brzo zajdeme na pivo, treba uz v tuto stredu - na koncert kapely Feri and the Gypsies."
1,64531,2019-11-18T15:01:57.825Z,11612,0,8,7,5,0,0,41.6,64531,anon4150512643,anon4150512643,"Nedávno jsme tady u hacanon3213561856honu Bydlení je právo! zmiňovali, že jedna skupina vymýšlela způsob, jak dostupné bydlení začlenit do volebního programu. 

A teď už můžeme  říct, že to nebylo jenom tak cvičení do šuplíku. V Brně po posledních volbách chybí hlas progresivně smýšlejících voličů a snažíme se to napravit. Vzniká občanský spolek Otevřené Brno, který chce sledovat aktuální kauzy, nabízet jejich řešení a vypracovat kompletní manuál pro otevřené město.

Na fotce jsou příznivci a příznivkyně spolku na pracovním setkání v Lysicích. Spolek se představí ve středu dopoledne, tak kdyžtak prosím držte palce, díky!
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2,64587,2019-11-18T21:29:55.842Z,11612,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,64531,anon3353600255,anon4150512643,"Díky za moc příspěvek, držíme palce a určitě se budeme těšit na manuál! Pokud to bude možné, rádi ho představíme i tady na platformě!"
3,66586,2019-12-02T10:15:18.142Z,11612,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64587,anon4241195410,anon3353600255,"vic informaci se muzes dozvedet tady!
# [V Brně vznikl nový občanský spolek, přidejte se!](https://edgeryders.eu/t/v-brne-vznikl-novy-obcansky-spolek-pridejte-se/11692)"
1,66474,2019-11-30T09:38:51.529Z,12052,0,12,11,3,0,0,17.4,66474,anon3935413204,anon3935413204,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Jestem artystą wizualnym. Wiele moich prac powstaje na kanwie rzeczy porzuconych, zużytych i ponownie wykorzystanych. Moja pracownia znajduje się w obszarze zamieszkanym przez osoby w znacznym stopniu wykluczone ekonomicznie. Przez lata wrosłem w to środowisko i widzę jak zmienił się ich stosunek do kogoś przychodzącego z zewnątrz i oferującego wartości które nie są tu oczywiste. Stąd moje przekonanie o sensie dialogu, wzajemnym przenikaniu i współoddziaływaniu nawet skrajnych środowisk. Zanon1235093333na następuje przez dialog i przykład, nie przez narzucanie gotowych rozwiązań.  

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Ochrona przyrody, rozwarstwienie społeczne i sprawy socjalne.Nie można dłużej ignorować tych problemów i powinny trafić do szerokiej debaty publicznej.



**Imię lub nickname:** Piotr Kojta Kowalski"
2,66484,2019-11-30T12:36:06.487Z,12052,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,66474,anon3593942245,anon3935413204,"potwierdzam bilet, wpadaj :)"
1,66390,2019-11-29T22:48:53.530Z,12021,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,66390,anon1927402574,anon1927402574,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Myślę, że bieżącym problemem w debacie publicznej jest wyeksponowane starcie ludzi, którzy wierzą, że mają monopol na prawdę. Doprowadza to do anon3213561856egoryzowania drugiej strony dyskusji, jako wrogów, co nie prowadzi do szukania rozwiązań, tylko przewalczenia drugiej strony. 

Mam wrażenie, że żyjemy w dziwnych czasach. Niewiele można usłyszeć rozmów światopoglądowych-osobistych, zamykamy się w okowach ideologii, która często nie pozwala nam wyrwać się ze własnych ram i nie pozwala nam w człowieku po drugiej stronie, po prostu zauważyć człowieka. Jakkolwiek banalnie to brzmi, mam poczucie, że wiele przeszkód w debacie publicznych, utworzyliśmy i podtrzymujemy my sami.

Myślę, że podjęcie jeszcze jednej próby wzajemnego zrozumienia, bez tworzenia dodatkowego ideologicznego muru, próby zdefiniowania ludzi o odmiennych poglądach jako wrogów, może w końcu przynieść upragnione zanon1235093333ny.

Jest to pewnego rodzaju dysonans, że jedyną, w moim mniemaniu, rzeczą umożliwiającą dialog jest on sam, w całej swej prostocie, zrozumieniu i empatii, powtarzany do granic znudzenia i cierpliwości. Nie wierzę w rewolucję nagłą, w rewolucję uliczną, wierzę raczej w system małych kroków, wyszarpując kolejną przestrzeń wolną od dogmatów niezmiennych.

Jeżeli zaś chodzi o Polskę, jestem z nią związany od urodzenia, związany z Stołeczny anon1235093333stem - Warszawą. Mam poczucie, że 20 lat mojego życia nie daje mi pełnego przeglądu sytuacji, toteż mogę wypowiadać się na gruncie lokalnym. 

Jestem pozytywnie nastawiony do czasów w jakich 
żyjemy, mają one swoje problemy jak każde inne i perspektywę anon3213561856astrofy klimatycznej gdzieś w tle, jednak stwierdzam, że są to najlepsze czasy w jakich mógłby żyć człowiek z Europy środkowej. 

Piętno komunizmu wciąż jest odczuwalne i widoczne w pokoleniu moich, i moich rówieśników, rodziców. Patrząc na ilość porozbijanych rodzin, czy na inne dysfunkcje tej podstawowej jednostki społecznej, jaką jest rodzina. To wychodzę z założenia, że pokolenie owe (naszych rodziców) próbuje nieudolnie implementować w życie młodego pokolenia, wartości których samych nie byli w stanie zrealizować. Z uwagi na ciężar ich czasów, czy też z uwagi na wciąż pokutujący w naszym kraju ideał przykładnego anon3213561856olika, który jest naprawdę ciężki do realizacji.

Tworzy to pewien dysonans międzypokoleniowy, ciężko zachować zaufanie i autorytet dzieci, kiedy nie reprezentuje się z sobą tego co próbuje się przekazać.

Tworzy to pewne niepokoje rewolucyjne i chęć do całkowitego odrzucenia wartości uznawanych za tradycyjne, w naszym kręgu kulturowym. Nie twierdzę, że jest to zła droga, jednak wszelkie gwałtowne zanon1235093333ny społeczne mają swoje daleko idące skutki.

Jak się więc czuję, jak się czują Polacy?
- Niepewnie, niepewność ta jest dyktowana brakiem spójnej polityki, spójnej debaty publicznej, perspektywą anon3213561856astrofy klimatycznej, media publiczne nie uspokajają, a wręcz przeciwnie napędzają tą karuzelę strachu i niepewności, używając go jako jednego z narzędzi propagandy światopoglądowej. Ostatni głośny dokument w TVP odnośnie środowiska LGBT+ może posłużyć za całkiem zgrabny przykład.

Mówię to przede wszystkim jako człowiek, obywatel Państwa Polskiego, nieheterononormatywny mężczyzna - lat 20, wegetarianin. Stojący na rozdrożu decyzji życiowych, starający się dostrzec sens w podążaniu daną drogą, zanim na nią wstąpi. Kiedyś powiedziałbym o sobie, że jestem człowiekiem sfrustrowanym, jednak ostatnim czasie na unosząc się na pozytywnej fali życia, próbuję ową frustrację przekuć w działanie, jakiekolwiek. 

Interesuję się wieloma rzeczami, zbyt wieloma, toteż wciąż się waham przed podjęciem studiów, jednak prawdopodobnie będzie to fizjoterapia, z racji tego iż wychodzę z założenia iż świat potrzebuje holistycznego spojrzenia, na niektóre problemy. Czasem żartuję, że nie ma złych ludzi, są tylko niewymasowani :)

Poza tym wakacje przepracowałem jako przewodnik, na pojazdach elektrycznych typu Segway, gdzie codziennie spotykałem się z innymi kulturami i oprowadzałem o mieście, w którym się urodziłem i które kocham. Aktualnie rozszerzam wiedzę na kursie PTTK, żeby zasilić szeregi tej organizacji i przekuć tą pasję i chwilową pracę w stały element mojego życia. 



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Przede wszystkim zagadnienie ciało-pozytywności, tak się składa, że moja serdeczna znajoma, będzie prezentowała wykład odnośnie tego tematu.

Aktualnie ulegamy dyktatowi i presji kulturowej, żeby ciało ludzkie i nasze życie było wprost idealne. Jest to wzorzec niedościgniony i wprowadzający ludzi w przygnębienie, toteż myślę, że jakiekolwiek próby jego przełamania powinny być zauważone.



**Imię lub nickname:** Kajetan"
2,66392,2019-11-29T22:50:28.142Z,12021,1,4,3,1,0,0,10.8,66390,anon3593942245,anon1927402574,"hej, potwierdzam zaproszenie na jutro - jesli chcesz, przynies laptopa, bedziemy razem dokumentowali to wydarzenie :)  Do zobaczenia!"
3,66394,2019-11-29T23:00:07.580Z,12021,0,4,3,1,0,0,20.8,66392,anon1927402574,anon3593942245,"Przyniosę, do zobaczenia jutro :smiley:
Miłego wieczoru!"
1,66387,2019-11-29T22:25:07.471Z,12020,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,66387,anon239927282,anon239927282,"Co 5 pieszy ginący w Europie, ginie w Polsce, co więcej liczba wypadków na pasach rośnie, na milion w Holandii ginie 3 pieszych, w Szwecji 4, we Francji 7, w Czechach 16, a w Polsce 32 (sic!). Co więcej połowa wszystkich pieszych ginie na pasach!!!! Nie sądzicie, że może pora tupnąć nogą i skończyć ze skrajnym uprzywielowaniem samochodów?

♦️Codziennie do Warszawy wjeżdża i wyjeżdża 1 milion samochodów, jest to główny powód korkowania się tego anon1235093333sta. Włodarze zdają się tego nie widzieć, bo uważają, że rozwiążą problem korków poszerzając ulice, w imię “świętej przepustowości”. Te środmiejskie autostrady rozcinają całe społeczności, utrudniają poruszanie się pieszo po mieście i jednocześnie ich ofiara padają stare drzewa.

Dalej mamy:

♦️skrajnie krótki czas do przejścia na pasach, bo przecież pan samochodziarz nie może długo czekać, śpieszy się

♦️również przyciskanie czujników, żeby zapaliło się zielone światło dla pieszego jest również przejawem dyskryminacji, na wielu przejściach nie ma odgórnie wydzielonego czasu na przejście i po wciśnięciu trzeba odczekać cykl. -spychanie pieszych na kładki, w podzieanon1235093333 - samochodziarz jest kontent, bo mu nic chodzącego, pełzającego, biegającego etc. nie wychodzi i nie przerywa ciągu jazdy

♦️słabe egzekwowanie przepisów penalizujących nielegalne parkowanie. Warszawa była projektowana w czasach PRL, wówczas ilość miejsc parkingowych na 1000 mieszkańców była mniejsza, niż obecnie, przez co samochody krążą po Warszawie szukając wolnych miejsc parkingowych współtworząc korek, smog i ogólne niezadowolenie. Pewnie z desperacji kierowcy stają w odległości mniejszej, niż 10 metrów przed pasami zwiększając ryzyko wypadku z udziałem pieszego

♦️tworzenie chodników i przejść w miejscach, które nie są wygodne dla pieszych

Tu chodzi nie tylko o wygodę, ale również zdrowie i bezpieczeństwo. Dlatego zachęcam do jeżdzenia zbiorkomem, głosowania (również w budżetach partycypacyjnych) i wywierania presji na politykach, którzy chcąc przypodobać się kierowcom nie patrzą na tych słabszych uczestników ruchu drogowego, czyli pieszych."
2,66393,2019-11-29T22:51:05.179Z,12020,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,66387,anon3593942245,anon239927282,"Cześć, potwierdzam zaproszenie na jutro - do zobaczenia w No Problem (jak chcesz, zabierz laptopa do robienia notatek ze spotkania:))"
1,66370,2019-11-29T19:43:17.920Z,12019,0,6,5,3,0,0,16.2,66370,anon470528452,anon470528452,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

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Tematy loanon3213561856orskie. Ciekawią mnie problemy związane z reprywatyzacją .



**Imię lub nickname:** janek13579"
2,66372,2019-11-29T19:51:11.010Z,12019,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,66370,anon3593942245,anon470528452,"Cześć, potwierdzam bilet i do zobaczenia jutro :)"
1,66064,2019-11-27T17:39:26.832Z,11965,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,66064,anon879431432,anon879431432,"Smrt kolem nas

Smrt žije... album od Kata z Prago union. Dovolím si s mým oblíbeným interpretem nesouhlasit, smrt nežije a nic a nikdo po ní také ne. Teda ne hmotně, duše možná-snad-doufám někam dále putuje, ale bohužel nevím, jestli to tak opravdu je, či bude. Skoro celý život jsem se nad smrtí nemusel moc často zamýšlet a také mě nijak v blízkém okolí citelně nezasáhla. Ale od června loňského roku je vše jinak a já se ptám, co se to sakra děje a přeji si, ať to vše zase přestane. Jasně, smrt je součástí každého života a musí se s ní počítat, ale vypořádat se s ní je pro člověka velká psychická zkouška. Jak jsem zmínil, začalo to vloni v červnu mým blízkým kamarádem, který umřel v autě jako spolujezdec ve 20 letech. To mě zasáhlo nejvíc, protože to byl mladý a hodný kluk, který měl vše před sebou. Pak má prababička, zapřísáhlá komunistka, ale se srdcem na pravém místě. Tam se to v 89 letech dalo čeanon3213561856 a člověk se snaží spíš s úsměvem vzpomínat na tak čistého člověka, kterým byla. Před měsícem nečekaně umřel můj nevlastní děda na Slovensku a jeho syn dnes upadl z ničeho nic do bezvědomí a ještě se z něj neprobral. Na škole, na které učím kroužek florbalu, před týdnem zapalovali svíčky pro svého spolužáka, který v depresích kvůli rozvrácené rodině skočil z okna ze sedmého patra a když to jeho anon681684766 zjistila, tak skočila také. 
Já osobně závidím lidem, kteří věří v jakoukoliv víru a žijí s tím, že po smrti není konec a že je něco čeká, každého něco jiného dle konkrétní víry. Mně je totiž při pomyšlení na smrt úzko a v hlavě mám jen jednu temnou myšlenku a to, že po smrti už nic není, navždy tma a prázdno a že život, který žiji, je jen jeden. Na druhou stranu si díky tomu  alespoň uvědomuji, že ho musím prožít naplno. Co se honí vám v hlavě, když přemýšlíte o smrti?"
2,66364,2019-11-29T19:23:38.112Z,11965,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,66064,anon3353600255,anon879431432,"Ahoj Lukáši, jak píšeš, součást života, ale ja se nad tím pozastavim úplně pokaždé, jsou bohužel konce, kterym se dalo předejít, které jsou zbytečné.. jelikož se snazim lidskou existenci vidět v širším pohledu, vždycky se zamýšlím nad tím, co po lidech zůstává tady, v našem světě, jelikož v jiný taky osobně nevěřím. Jeden nemusí bejt zrovna prezident, nebo slavnej muzikant, každý zanechává nějaký otisk. Před lety umřel muj kamarad z dětství, bylo mu 27, šel projet na kole za letního horka, omdlel a narazil do stromu. Pořád mi to přijde jako by se to snad ani nemohlo stát. Vzhledem k tomu, ze jsme vyrůstali nedaleko sebe a ja ted bydlím zpátky ""doma"", dost často mi ho ty mista kolem připomínají (když už to zrovna neudělá Facebook v den jeho narozenin, taky takový zvláštní..). Ale vzpomínám si na něj v mnoha pozitivních momentech, hlavně u muziky, kterou jsme spolu dělali a poslouchali. A tak si ten jeho otisk nesu v sobě. Občas když mě něco zbytecneho vytočí, tak si tak v hlavě přehraju, že by se tomu smál a jdu dal. No prostě věřím v udržování pozitivních odkazů, nesu si ty lidi tak jak jsem je zažil a to mi s odstupem pomáhá s tim, že mi chybí."
1,66358,2019-11-29T18:14:07.195Z,12015,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,66358,anon3012947464,anon3012947464,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Jestem aktywistka miejska z ramienia MJN. Interesuje mnie tematy związane z Reprywatyzacja zrównoważonym rozwojem i likwidacja barier komunikacyjnych w przestrzeni miejskiej. Także brałam udział w wyborach samorządowych i jestem członkiem BKDS mieszkaniowego oraz Społecznej Rady Pragi.

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Reprywatyzacja i Rewitalizacja obszarów Pragi i Śródmieścia.



**Imię lub nickname:** MartaLoza"
1,66361,2019-11-29T18:39:54.785Z,12017,0,8,7,2,0,0,26.6,66361,anon3313790532,anon3313790532,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Mam 32 lata, umowę o pracę, kredyt hipoteczny, męża i plany na przyszłość. Pracuję w niewielkiej firmie, która zajmuje się organizacją eventów targowych. Dużo podróżuję. I służbowo i prywatnie. Podróżując, mogę złapać dystans i spojrzeć z boku. Pobyt w Bangkoku pokazał mi, jak wiele my Polacy mamy do nadrobienia z lekcji o tolerancji dla osób LGBT. Moja przyjaciółka z Londynu powiedziała mi, że do CV w Londynie nie wstawia się ani zdjęcia, ani wieku, ani (broń Boże) stanu cywilnego, podczas gdy żaliłam jej się, że moja szefowa notorycznie pyta mnie, kiedy planuję zajść w ciążę. Moi znajomi z Włoch (wychowawcy w ośrodku dla osób niepełnosprawnych umysłowo) uświadomili jak bardzo sfera opieki nad niepełnosprawnymi jest zaniedbana. Odbyłam takich lekcji wiele. Złości mnie niska frekwencja w Polsce. Oburza ksenofobia. Rozwściecza brak tolerancji. Czuję się bezsilna, widząc czym stały się media publiczne i zła na siebie, znosząc w pracy zachowania szefa, których w Zachodniej Europie nikt nie bałby się nazwać mobbingiem. Ale mieszkam tu i chce tu mieszkać, bo widzę światełko w tunelu. Widzę siłę i wytrwałość pary moich dwóch koleżanek, które wciąż chcą zostać mamami. Widzę rekordowe zbiórki WOŚP i pół miliona szczęśliwych ludzi na Woodstocku. Widzę drobne pęknięcia w skostniałej strukturze Kościoła po filmie braci Sekielskich. Widzę żywe zainteresowanie moich znajomych rozwiązaniami ekologicznymi, które wdrażamy razem z mężem. Widzę moich przyjaciół którzy mówią w wielu językach, mają otwarte głowy i serca. To oni inspirują mnie, by tu być, żyć i starać się zmieniać mój mały świat na lepsze.

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Interesuje mnie spotkanie z anon4110936133em Śpiewakiem, który mógłby przybliżyć mi nieco ideę ""myśl globalnie działaj lokalnie"" oraz spotkanie z Kają z Ciałopozytywu, która w świecie Photoshopowych okładek pokazuje inną stronę piękna ludzkiego ciała.



**Imię lub nickname:** Pensylwunia12345"
1,66337,2019-11-29T14:05:11.715Z,12013,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,66337,anon2011234231,anon2011234231,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Urodziłam się w '85 roku, czyli lat 80. właściwie nie pamiętam, lata 90. pamiętam z perspektywy dziecka.
Z moich lat nastoletnich pamiętam, że w moim towarzystwie wstydem było być rasistą, ksenofobem, przynajmniej deklaratywnie moi znajomi nie przejawiali takich tendencji, ewntualnie można było o tym porozmawiać w zaangażowanym, nastoletnio-młododorosłym gronie. Ostatnio obserwuję zjawisko 'chłopskiego rozumu', memizacji, ciętych ripost - wszystko ma być na zasadzie szach mat. W dyskusjach, m.in. internetowych liczy się szybkość, refleks, stwoerdzenie, które paradoksalnie trudno podważyć. Część z nich to banalne, dawno wytłumaczone stwierdzenia, np. 'rząd ma ważniejsze sprawy na głowie niż lgbt, prawa reprodukcyjne i feminatywy',tylko podane w formie żartu, mema, 'zaorania' osoby, z którą się dyskutuje, co ma sprawić, że rozmówca zaniemówi. Widzę, zwłaszcza w internecie, na spotkaniach towarzyskich chęć takiego szybkiego załatwienia sprawy, ustalenia prawdy niepodważalnej.  
Warunkiem prowadzenia dialogu jest chęć usłyszenia drugiej strony i próba zrozumienia jej racji, środowiska z którego pochodzi, przekazów medialnych jakimi jest bombardowana jednostka, bo bez tego rozmawiamy w dwóch zupełnie róznych językach. Wierzę w metodę ewolucji, dojrzewania do pewnych rzeczy, jest to proces dłuższy i bardziej wyanon1547754019jący niż rozwiązania narzucone, szybkie zamknięcie ust rozmówcy. 

Polska radzi sobie różnie, nadal mamy duże dysproporcje jeśli chodzi o dochody i styl życia, co czesto nie sprzyja podejściu aspiracyjnemu, tylko zazdrości. Nadal mówi nam się, że konsumpcja=szczęście, stąd niemożność zaspokojenia nawet podstawowych potrzeb albo takich niezbyt luksusowych, jak np. wyjście do kawiarniczy do kina rodzi fustrację. Stąd partie oferujące benefity takie jak 500+, mimo wielu niedoskonałości, podwyżki cen itp. dają poczucie, że można dogonić tych 'od kawiarni'pokazywanych w serialach, reklamach, w mediach społecznościowych. 
Uważam, ze na razie nie przeskoczyliśmy jeszcze fazy 'szkoła-dobra praca-mieszkanie na kredyt-samochód-rodzina' jako obowiązującego modelu, nadal mamy zachłyśnięcie konsumpcją, jesteśmy nieco wygłodniali i nie możemy przeskoczyć w pewłni na kolejne levele, takie jak skupienie się na budowaniu społeczeństwa obywatelskiego, działalność na rzecz wspólnoty, myslenie długofalowe w polityce.
Liczę na to, że tam dotrzemy, popularność takich zjawisk jak ruch zero waste, działalność organizacji broniących praw loanon3213561856orów, grupy sąsiedzkie, foodsharing pokazują mi, że ludzie w Polsce sa w stanie się dzielić, budować małą lokalną społeczność gdzie poanon1547754019nie, dzielenie się, dobanie o członków wspólnoty jest wartością. Wierzę, że w przyszłości to, a nie konsumpcja, rywalizacja, poczucie niespełnienia, zazdrość, sztywne przywiązanie do jednego modelu życia będzie dominującym sposobem na współ-bycie z innymi ludźmi. Ja na razie szukam sobie takich baniek w których czuję się dobrze, pokazuję inny sposób myślenia np. o przedmiotach, potrzebach, zaufaniu innym ludziom i część z nich dokonuje drobnych zanon1235093333n w swoim działaniu.

Przez kilka lat pracowałam na etacie, teraz jestem freelancerką i to też jest długi temat. Piszę też doktorat związany zprawami człowieka. 

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Prawa pracownicze - to dotyczy prawie każdego, to,jak kształtują sie relacje pracodawca-pracownik, jakie prawa mają obie strony bardzo wpływa na jakość życia, poczucie sprawczości i kontroli nad własnym życiem i czasem, na poczucie bezpieczeństwa. 
Ponadto kwestie związane z ciałem, postrzeganiem go, kreowaniem przez media.



**Imię lub nickname:** Brave Piglet"
1,66332,2019-11-29T13:14:55.020Z,12012,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,66332,anon3090694483,anon3090694483,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

W kraju postkomunistycznym jakim jest Polska, relacje między ludzkie są trudne, co moim zdaniem wynika z braku zaufania społecznego, przez lata opresji politycznych. Do przerobienia jest pojęcie indywidualizmu, zrozumienie wolności, ale przede wszystkim nauczenie się jej. Często bardzo opresyjne są osoby, które nie potrafią same wyzwolić się z ram społeczno-kulturowych. Zajmuję się sztuką

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Relacje społeczne - niezbędne jest w Polsce zbudowanie dialogu



**Imię lub nickname:** olgwin"
1,66246,2019-11-28T17:45:00.628Z,11990,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,66246,anon886842214,anon886842214,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Polska jest teraz w trudnej sytuacji bo z jednej strony widzimy powiekszajaca się tolerancją w wielu środowiskach a z drugiej strony cały czas jest Pokłosie reżimu i nienawiści  i ogromna ogromny dystans do wielu środowisk które tak naprawdę nikogo nie krzywdzą. jeśli chodzi o 30 lat od upadku komunizmu to uważam że nie jest tak źle, to znaczy żyjemy w  właściwie wolnym kraju,mamy pełnię  Obywatelskich ale jednak wciąż nie mamy prawa do wolności słowa, Wolności wyboru decydowaanon1235093333 własnym ciele, osoby nieheteronormatywne nie mają prawa do legalizowania swojego związku. sytuacja gospodarcza nie jest lepsza: mnóstwo problemów socjalnych: przemoc w rodzinie, mobbing, klasizm, alkoholizm to są straszne problemy z którymi sobie nie radzi my. Mam na imię anon616153527 Mam 20 lat. Studiuję na Politechnice Warszawskiej Lotnictwo I Kosmonautyke. Jestem aktywistka na rzecz  praw zwierząt, działam w  Vivie, organizowałam protesty pod cyrkami w swojej rodzinnej miejscowości. Jednym z moich zainteresowań jest polityka. prowadze konto na Instagramie jakbędzie wpolityce i jestem z niego bardzo dumna. poświęcam mu wiele czasu. swoją przyszłość nie wiem jeszcze czy wiąże politycznie. W swoim życiu walcze o prawa zwierząt, prawa kobiet oraz walczę z problemem alkoholowym w Polsce ponieważ wiem co to znaczy

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Kaya Szulczewska - cialopozytyw. Od lat walczę z trądzikiem, a m.in. Kai pokochałam swoje niedoskonałości. anon4110936133 śpiewak - reprywatyzazja to polityka, doceniam jego ogromny wkład w społecznosc obywatelska. 



**Imię lub nickname:** anon616153527"
1,66279,2019-11-29T01:31:16.039Z,11992,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,66279,anon879829459,anon879829459,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Zgadzam się, że znajdujemy się w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii. Fukuyama właśnie obwieścił koniec ""Końca historii"". Czy to dobrze, czy źle? 
Z jednego punktu dobrze. Dostajemy szansę, aby kreować rzeczywistość lepszą, piękniejszą, bardziej sprawiedliwą. Dostajemy ją w doskonałym momencie. Nigdy wcześniej w historii ludzie nie byli tak wyedukowani, nie posiadali takich zasobów i możliwości, jakie posiadają dzisiaj.
Z drugiej strony natoanon1235093333st, co bardzo smuci, z upływem lat okazuje się, że naszą szansę na zanon1235093333nę coraz bardziej przegrywamy.
Czy możemy coś zrobić, aby jednak doprowadzić do poprawy, nie do pogorszenia rzeczywistości, w której przyszło nam żyć? Myślę, że jest to możliwe. W moim osobistym przekonaniu dużą rolę w tym mogłoby odebrać pewne przewartościowanie, by - tak jak w szeroko komentowanym tekście pisze prof. Andrzej Szahaj - spędzenie wakacji z rodziną postrzegane było jako cenniejsze niż zakup nowego samochodu. 
Istotną rolę w takim przewartościowaniu może pełnić transcendencja, odwołanie się do jakiegoś rodzaju absolutu. Jego dystrybutorem może być kościół, także kościół anon3213561856olicki, ale zupełnie nie ten, z którym mamy do czynienia dzisiaj. Marzę o odnowie kościoła, w taki który będzie brał pod opiekę uciśnionych: uchodźców, LGBT, osoby z problemami psychicznymi, nie zaś motywowany politycznie szczuł i poniżał. Miałem nadzieję, że początkiem tej zanon1235093333ny - przynajmniej w kraju - będzie film braci Sekielskich nagłaśniający afery pedofilskie. Niestety, wydaje się, że nadzieja ta była płonna, pozostaje mi sympatyzować z organizacją Wiara i Tęcza.
Istotnym źródłem transcendencji może być też mądrość ludów rdzennych, która zwłaszcza w ostatnich latach przenika do środowisk wielkomiejskich. Mam tu na myśli zarówno ludy pochodzące z bardzo odległych stron (choćby Ameryki Południowej, traktowanie roślin i środków wywołujących doświadczenia psychodeliczne jako ""roślinnego nauczyciela"" modern szamanizm, neotrybalizm, odrodzenie ruchów hipisowskich), jak i tych pobliskich. Dla wielu las znów staje się schronieniem na trudne czasy. Uciekamy w przysłowiowe Bieszczady, bronimy puszczy przed wycinką, z zainteresowaniem przyswajamy wiedzę o słowiańskich mitach i legendach, powoli odradza się rodzimowierstwo.
Transcendencja oczywiście nie będzie jedynym źródłem antykapitalizmu. Potrzebujemy też działań o charakterze politycznym, dobrej polityki socjalnej, pomysłów i działań na reformę systemu finansowania, takich jak choćby proponuje Nuria Guell i osoby z nią związane. Osobiście wierzę w bezwarunkowy dochód podstawowy, w demokratyzację środków produkcji, o czym wspomina choćby anon4110936133 Sowa pod koniec swojej książki ""Inna Rzeczpospolita jest możliwa"".
Parafrazując Kusturicę wypada zapytać: Gdzie ja jestem w tej historii? Zbliżając się powoli do okresu życia, o którym mówi się ""średnim wiekiem"" przestałem wierzyć, że odnajdę lekarstwo na raka, albo wywołam inną zanon1235093333nę o rewolucyjnym znaczeniu światowym. Z pewnością jednak nigdy nie porzucę wiary w to, że o sprawiedliwość i równość wszystkich ludzi, ponad granicami, religiami i rasą warto walczyć. To jest jasna strona mocy, po której zawsze chciałbym być.
Wierząc, że moim obowiązkiem jest pozostawienie świata choćby trochę lepszego, niż zastałego go rodząc się, angażuję się w różne działania. Od kilku lat należę do partii Razem, bo wierzę w działania zbiorowe, a kierunek w którym podąża ta partia jest w wielu przypadkach zgodny z moimi poglądami. Często publikuję dłuższe i krótsze teksty na bieżące sprawy społeczne, w tym roku udało mi się również zaprezentować autorski performance, w którym poruszałem kwestie związane z migracją, konfliktami zbrojnymi, feminizmem czy ochroną przyrody. Jestem uczestnikiem cyklicznych spotkań organizowanych przez Biennale Warszawa, ""Humanizmu przyszłości"", ""Zorganizujmy swoją przyszłość"" oraz obecnie ""Społecznej szkoły antykapitalizmu"". Przymierzam się do napisania doktoratu dot. ochrony obywateli przed negatywnymi skutkami wynikającymi z szerokiego upowszechnienia nowoczesnych technologii.
Podróżuję, głównie autostopem, śpiąc w namiocie albo domach ludzi, którzy mają ochotę mnie gościć. Odwiedziłem kilkadziesiąt państw na trzech kontynentach, szczególną sympatią darzę zaś państwa arabskie. Naprawdę chciałbym przyłożyć się do zakończenia głupiej i zupełnie niepotrzebnej niechęci między chrześcijaństwem a islamem. Często goszczę też ludzi we własnym domu. Chciałbym bowiem, aby w świecie obojętności i pogoni za pieniądzem, mój dom był czymś innym, aby obowiązywały w nim inne zasady, przyjaźń i międzyludzka solidarność, ponad wszelkimi podziałami.

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Interesuje mnie w szczególności spotkanie z p. Kają Szulczewską, chętnie dowiedziałbym się więcej na temat akceptacji własnego ciała, problemu z którym sam się zanon1547754019m. Fajnie byłoby też porozmawiać znów z anon4110936133em Śpiewakiem, z którym anon1235093333łem okazję poznać się przy okazji kampanii samorządowej. Z racji wykonywania przeze mnie zawodu prawniczego być może mógłbym jakoś zaangażować się w jego działania. Interesujące jest także spotkanie z p. Robertem Nowakiem. Znane mi jest hasło ""Mieszkanie prawem, nie towarem"", mam też jakieś wyobrażenia na temat problemów mieszkalnictwa, ale mało twardej, ugruntowanej wiedzy na ten temat, którą chętnie bym uzupełnił. 



**Imię lub nickname:** Bartłomiej Kobyliński"
1,65989,2019-11-27T10:34:43.077Z,11953,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,65989,anon3986657798,anon3986657798,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Zajmuję się prawami zwierząt, feminizmem i klimatem. Na przestrzeni ostatnich lat, wiele się zmieniło w świadomości polek, gorzej z polakami. Niemniej tematy praw zwierząt czy zanon1235093333n klimatycznych są co raz powszechniej rozuanon1235093333ne. 

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Głównie prawa pracownicze, ponieważ nasza polityka od wielu lat tkwi w narracji neoliberalnej. Polepsza się życie bogatszych, a pogarsza tych ubogich. Podobnie jak tendencje światowe, polska polityka broni interesów tych, którzy już coś mają.



**Imię lub nickname:** Goja"
1,65746,2019-11-25T17:43:38.702Z,11907,0,11,10,20,0,0,132.2,65746,anon3648414411,anon3648414411,"Ahoj,

tenhle post píšu jako zamyšlení se nad panelovou diskuzi k hacanon3213561856honu o dostupném bydlení, kterou jsem moderovala. Panelovou diskuzi jsme naplánovali na začátek hacanon3213561856honu, a to tak, aby našim účastnicím a účastníkům umožnila se do problematiky trochu dostat, načerpat inspiraci a tak podobně.

V pátek 8.11. v podvečer jsme tedy touto panelovou diskuzí otevřely náš hacanon3213561856hon o dostupném bydlení. Měli jsme velkou radost a bylo pro nás ctí, že naše pozvání přijaly dve výborné panelistky a dva skvělí panelisté, a to:

Martin Freund - vystudovaný psycholog, občanský aktivista a bývalý brněnský zastupitel, který stojí za projekty Housing first a Rapid re-housing. V současné době se stále věnuje otázkám sociálního bydlení, a to jako pracovník bratislavského magistrátu;

Karolína Plášková -  architektka a urbanistka, dlouhodobě se zajímá o přesahy architektury a urbanismu a jejich vztah s oblastí společenských věd a umění;

Barbora Matysová - socioložka s celou řadou zájmů a zkušeností a s vhledem do odloučenych lokalit, mezi sociálně znevyhodněné skupiny lidí a taky do oblastí s dlouhodobě neuspokojivou dostupností bydlení;

Petr Kubala - který se zabývá socioekonomií bydlení na Sociologickém ústavu Akademie věd ČR, výzkumem bydlení mladých dospělých ve velkých městech v Česku v době krize dostupnosti bydlení a otázkám sociálních nerovností. V minulosti pracoval ve výzkumném týmu Rapid Re-housingu.

Feedback k panelové diskuzi byl všeobecně velmi pozitivní. A to jako od diváků panelové diskuze, tak i od účastnic a účastníků našeho hacanon3213561856honu. Nejčastěji zmiňovaným pozitivem debaty byla její hloubka a šířka. To, že jsme mohli jít do hloubky a do šířky a že jsme mohli vynechat sáhodlouhé diskuze o tom jestli je bydlení právo nebo není, je zřejmě přímým důsledkem toho, že se tato debata odehrávala na poli konkrétní sociální bubliny. Díky složení panelu jsme mohli diskutovat i o úskalích čekajících na tu nebo onu sociální skupinu a taky jaká můžeme přinést řešení.

Tato panelová debata byla mojí první zkušeností s moderováním. Bylo skvělé mít možnost představit osobnosti, které účastníkům hacanon3213561856honu poskytli informace. Mimo jiné jsem měla radost, že jsem mohla klást dotazy, které mne samotnou zajímaly a doplnili vědomosti nás všech a nejen účastníků hacanon3213561856honu. Podle zpětné vazby, jsem situaci zvládla celkově obstojně, což je pro mne obrovským úspěchem. Doufám, že v budoucnu budu moct svoji zkušenost znovu uplatnit a moderovat debatu na podobně zajímavé, aktuální a důležité téma.

anon3648414411, moderátorka debaty"
2,65750,2019-11-25T18:08:35.370Z,11907,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,65746,anon4241195410,anon3648414411,"Johanko, diky moc za prispevek. muzu sem ofcialne potvrdil, ze jsi byla skvela a vedla sis moc dobre.
Panelisti byli/y skvely...a ty ses z toho ne...sesypala.Naopak, dokazalas vyuzit jejich potencial."
3,65828,2019-11-26T10:45:11.872Z,11907,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,65746,anon4241195410,anon3648414411,"Jeste bych rad pridal par fotek z panelovky! 
koukejte, koukejte...vy, co jste prisly-i, i ti, co jste neprisly-i!:slightly_smiling_face:
Krasne misto, plne entusiastickych, krasnych, aktivnich lidi. Kteri poslouchaji skvele povidani od erudovanych, socialne citicich expertu na problematiku socialniho/dostupneho bydleni.<image here> 
"
4,65986,2019-11-27T10:31:06.486Z,11907,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,65746,anon3353600255,anon3648414411,"Z toho, co tu slyšíme, tak to byla na první pokus dost dobrá práce s moderováním:) Je skvělé, že jste se potakli na společném poli, kde se pak skutečně debatovalo věcně. Přeju hodně takvých dalších debat!"
1,65253,2019-11-22T20:45:03.939Z,11754,0,6,5,3,0,0,46.2,65253,anon398365468,anon398365468,"Už to bude rok, co do našich životů vplul překvapivě rychle náš druhorozený a stále mu dlužím sepsání porodního příběhu. Zde tedy ve zkratce je!

Konec druhého těhotenství byl oproti tomu prvnímu, kdy jsem měla energie na rozdávání, poměrně náročný. Nicméně termín se blížil a my se moc těšili, že si zopakujeme krásný, až transcendentální, porod v Neratovicích s naší porodní asistentkou. Uvažovala jsem i o domácím porodu (a četla zahraniční články, studie, fakta), ale nějak jsem si do něj vědomě nakonec netroufla. Mnohokrát jsem ale vyslovila přání, spíše z legrace, že bych chtěla, aby byl porod tak rychlý, abych porodila doma. Z nemocnic mám tak trochu strach, hlavně když vím od mnohých kamarádek, s jakým despektem se občas k rodícím ženám v porodnicích chovají. A to sterilní prostředí a neosobní přístup mi zkrátka k porodu moc nesedí (i proto jsme si už poprvé zaplatili porodní asistentku a zvolili menší porodnici). To jsem ale netušila, jak může být myšlenka silná, nebo jak moc byl můj syn na mé myšlenky napojený.

Devět dní před termínem porodu jsem po uspání syna cítila slabé poslíčky. Okolo půl dvanácté jsem si napustila vanu a očekávala, že horká voda poslíčky rozežene.To se nestalo, slabé kontakce pokračovaly. Okolo půlnoci, když jsem vylezla z vany, mě porazila silná kontakce na kolena. V tu chvíli šel muž na WC, tak mu říkám, že se teda asi něco děje, ať zavolá porodní asistence a připraví věci na odjezd. Mysleli jsme si ale, že máme ještě dost času (první porod začal v podobný čas odtokem plodovky a porodila jsem za 13 hodin těsně před polednem, do porodnice jsme dorazili až dvě hodiny před velkým finálem). Zkoušela jsem volat tátovi, aby byl připravený, že je možné, že v noci ještě pojedeme (neřídíme, takže i poprvé nás vezl do Neratovic můj táta). Táta to ale nebral, musela ho jít vzbudit ségra, která bydlí v bytě vedle. Pak se zintenzivnily kontrakce a my se rozhodli, že už je čas jet. Zmobilizovali jsme i švagra, který bydlí kousek od nás a měl přijít pohlídat spícího syna. No a pak to začalo nabírat grády. Když mi muž přinesl oblečení, zjistila jsem, že už nezvládnu vstát. Ze záchodu jsem po čtyřech dolezla do (nově zrekonstuované :)) kuchyně (koupelna byla už moc daleko) a říkám, že už Neratovice nezvládnu. Nějak se v lehké panice rozhodlo, že zavoláme sanitku a pojedeme na Bulovku. Já polonahá na čtyřech hypnoporodně prodýchávám kontrakce a snažím se silou myšlenky porod zpomalit. Muž telefonuje s ženou ze záchranky, ta se pořád ptá, jak často mám kontrakce. Informace, že ""sakra pořád"" ji nějak neuspokojuje a ptá se zas a znovu. Křičim na muže, ať ji vypne, že ji nechci poslouchat. Muž mi strká pod nohy bílé ručníky (správně si vzpomíná na instrukce pro překotný porod z článku Aničky Kohoutové) . Strkám ty ručníky pryč, protože přece nebudu pak prát tu krev, že jo. Přetahujeme se o ručníky a pak to vzdávám. Cítím, že hlavička už leze porodními cestami. V tu chvíli přichází manželův bratr se psem, jde okolo mě do pokoje, kde spí syn. Asi ho i zdravím. Pes skočí na syna a probouzí ho, syn pláče. Přichází můj vykulený táta. Já fůrt na zemi u trouby s vyšpulenym zadkem, říkám tátovi, ať uklidní syna. Táta mizí za dveřmi. Přichází čtyři záchranáři, očividně zpruzení a v porodních záležitostech ne moc zběhlí. Dva chlapi, dvě ženský. Chlap říká: ""Půjdete po svejch, nebo vás máme odnést v křesle?"" Já říkám: ""Nikam nejdu, rodim, cítím už hlavičku."" Pak fůrt chtěli víc světla, muž jim ale neprozradil, kde máme vypínač (já měla stejně zavřený oči). Záchranář říká: ""Lehněte si na záda"". Já říkám: ""Nelehnu si na záda, takhle budu rodit, tělo to chce."" Můj muž celou dobu stál v uličce mezi záchranáři a mnou a krásně je zkrotil, když měl pocit, že zbytečně prudí, řekl jim něco v tom smyslu, že oni jsou záchranáři, že tady není co zachraňovat, ať mě laskavě nechají rodit, že vím, co dělám, že čtyři nasraný lidi fakt ničemu nepomůžou (byli asi zpruzený, že museli jít do čtvrtýho patra...). V tu chvíli jsem na něj byla moc pyšná, že vůbec nezazmatkoval a věřil mi. Říkám mu, že už leze hlavička, že za chvíli budu potřebovat pomoc s chycením. Muž se připravuje, hlavičku už cítím venku, říkám, že rotuje tělíčko a na další kontrakci chytáme. Záchranářka říká, ať honem tlačím, že se jinak to dítě udusí. Říkám, jí, že má kyslík z placenty a že se fakt neudusí. A pak na další kontrakci, v 01:21 chytáme našeho druhorozeného syna Valdemara. Je krásný, vůbec nebrečí. My jsme v šoku. Hned ho dávám na svou hruď a mluvím na něj, jsme vykulení a dojatí. Záchranáří mektaj něco o přestřižení pupečníku, já říkám, že přestřihovat nebudeme. Pak si chtěj vzít syna, aby ho zabalili pro přesun do porodnice. Říkám jím, ať nás zabalí spolu, že ho budu hřát svým vlastním tělem. Tak nás balí a jsme oba stříbrná vánočka :) Z pokoje taky vylézá švagr, táta s už klidným synem v náručí a pes (ten nám pak mimochodem pomohl uklidit zem). Přesouváme se na Bulovku, kde stále se synem na hrudi probíhá kontrola a porod placenty. Pupečník jsem dovolila přesřihnout, až když jsem si ověřila, že dotepal. Kontrola pediatrem proběhla na mém těle. Syna pak chtěli odvést na šestinedělí, abych si odpočala (jako by to šlo, haha). Asertivně jsem jim oznámila, že muž syna pohlídá, zatímco si dám sprchu. Koukali jak zjara, ale co na to mohli namítnout, ostatně muž je také zákonný zástupce a dítě má právo na jeho nepřetržitou přítomnost. No ráno po vizitě jsem podepsala revers (kupodivu bez problémů) a šli jsme po zhruba osmi hodinách domů, kde už jsme byli všichni čtyři pohromadě! (Ambulantní porod jsem měla domluvený i s porodní asistentkou, i s naší pediatričkou). Nebyl to porod úplně podle plánu, ale vlastně na něj ráda vzpomínám a jsem hrdá na to, jak jsme to zvládli! A musím říct, že i personál na Bulovce mě příjemně překvapil, že respektoval má, pro ně očividně ne moc obvyklá, přání a nedošlo k žádnému zastrašování, vyhrožování, které jsem očekávala."
2,65984,2019-11-27T10:26:32.555Z,11754,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,65253,anon3353600255,anon398365468,"Ahoj, díky moc za sdílení téhle velice silné osobní zkušenosti. Ty ses nakonec opravdu odrodila sama, moc gratuluju:) Přiznám se, že s obdobným příběhem jsem se ještě nesetkal. Osobně neznám nikoho, kdo by rodil takto sám, bez asistence, nebo mimo nemocnici. Bez ohledu na to, že jsi už jednou rodila, tak se mi tak z článku zdá, žes měla hodně hodně dobrou teoretickou prúpravu. Mohla by ses případně podělit o to, jak jsi tyhle znalosti načerpala? Já třeba vím jenom to, co znám z filmů (ehm), jelikož jsem mužskýho pohlaví tak jsem ve škole žádnej zásadní trénink nedostal - probíhá vlastně v rámci základního a středního vzdělávání příprava na těhotenství a porod pro holky?"
1,65197,2019-11-22T17:35:21.390Z,11743,0,8,7,3,0,0,46.6,65197,anon737783819,anon737783819,"*""Děláš si ze mě prdel?""*
Ta věta ze mě vystřelila hned, jak mi Renata zvedla telefon. Ona byla totiž ten ""dobráček"", který mi dohodil dnešní rande. Že prý super kluk, chytrý, milý, máme toho podle ní hodně společného. Ona by do něj určitě taky šla, ale délka jejich přátelství už přesáhla friend zónu. 
""*No já mu radila, ať ti to radši neříká na prvním rande.""*
*""To mi to jako měl říct až po svatbě?!!""* - Hlas se mi změnil v hysterický řev.
""Ale on je vážně hrozně fajn a -"" 
-""ON VĚŘÍ, ŽE ZEMĚ JE PLACATÁ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"" - Skočila jsem Renatě do řeči, a radši si sedla, abych nedostala infarkt. Vždycky jsem o sobě smýšlela jako o nejtolerantnější bytosti na planetě. planetě, která má tvar koule. Teď jsem i já našla svůj limit.
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*Zhruba před hodinou* 
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""-.....A to není vůbec všechno! Proč myslíš, že se na obloze všechny hvězdy točí, až na jednu úplně nahoře? HA! To je ten střed projekce, která se otáčí dokola na té kopuli. Chápeš? Chápeš?!! A jak třeba vysvětlíš, že lety letadlem trvají tam i zpět stejný čas? Kdyby se země točila, musela bys být přece na místě určení jednou dřív a jednou později! Gravitace? Úplná blbost! A počkej, až ti řeknu o Ledové bariéře která zabraňuje vylití vody přes okraj země!""
""Víš, já už asi budu muset jít."" 
Nervózně jsem položila na rychlo vypitý šálek capuccina, a snažila se, aby se mi ruka moc neklepala. S poslední nadějí jsem se rozhlédla po kavárně, jestli někde neuvidím skryté kamery. Nebyly tam. 
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Celou cestou domů jsem byla potichu. Můj mozek se pomalu vzpamatovával z dezinformačního šoku. Když jsem za sebou zabouchla dveře, trochu jsem se uklidnila a začala přemýšlet, jestli budu mít někdy odvahu jít znovu s někým na rande. Tohle se fakt může stát jenom mě. To už radši na rande s taxidermistou, sběratelem šlupek od banánů nebo fanouškem Bohemky. A nejdřív ze všeho si budu muset promluvit s Renatou.
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PS: ( Příběh se skutečně stal a bohužel opravdu mě :D Ve skutečnosti nemám nic proti taxidermistům nebo sběratelům šlupek od banánů. Na zápase Bohemky jsem byla jenom jednou, ale to by bylo na další povídku  :D ) 

Už jste se někdy setkali s flat-earthistou?
Šli by jste s někým takovým na rande? 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RywkkwO78m8"
2,65217,2019-11-22T18:19:54.657Z,11743,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,65197,anon4062071924,anon737783819,"<image here> 

... zrejme nejakej vasnivej ctenar/hrac... jakym zpusobem se budes seznamovat priste, pres Renatu asi uz ne, co?!:)) Dej vedet, pridal bych se... ;)"
3,65983,2019-11-27T10:14:05.495Z,11743,0,2,1,1,0,0,5.4,65197,anon3353600255,anon737783819,"Ahoj, a díky moc za příspěvek. No, je to mazec, s placatozemcem jsem se nikdy nesetkal (osobně, když jsem četl o dějinách 15 stol. tak jo:). Já bych si na férovku myslel, že mě někdo trolí a zkoušel bych to z toho člověka vymámit:) Jasně, měli bychom se kriticky vztahovat ke všemu našemu ""vědění"". Ledová bariéra je za mě top - až roztaje, tak budeme úplně v pytli..(i když to se vlastně stane asi tak jako tak, ale ta voda nám všechna alespoň přiteče a neodteče do vesmíru:). Nejšílenější na tom je, že ono je to zakřivení země vidět! Stačí zajet někam k moři (pokud nestačí rybník svět:-P) a pořádně se chvíli dívat, když je hladina klidná. Nebo si vyzkoušet řadu mentálních cvičení (pokud je volná kapacita a ochota). Ty lodě prostě do kopce neplujou.. 
http://www.smarterthanthat.com/astronomy/top-10-ways-to-know-the-earth-is-not-flat/"
1,65178,2019-11-22T15:48:28.199Z,11738,0,8,7,2,0,0,41.6,65178,anon714634410,anon714634410,"Zdravím,
Chtěl bych podotknout, že jsem veliký enthusiast do technologií, speciálně do IT. Vlastně tak moc, že i mezi svými tech pozitinvními kamarády jsem brán, jako že to občas s optimizmem přeháním.
Dalo by se říci, že jsem technologický extrémista.
Rád bych zde nadhodil myšlenku, zda je aktuální vývoj technologické úrovně společnosti dobrá věc, a jestli může existovat v tomto ohledu něco jako ""příliš"".
Například: 
Robotické řízení vozidel. Za mne, jsem absolutně pro, autonehody jsou jednou z velmi častých příčin předčasných úmrtí, a pro jednotlivce to má pozitivní stránku, že se nemusí namáhat s řízením, atp.
Setkávám se ale velmi často s názorem, že řízení vozidla má být právo jednotlivce. Že je to osobní prostor, a nemá být do tohoto prostoru tedy zasahováno. Nejspíše tedy nevadí zasahování do osobního prostoru různými částmi vozidla.

Vyměnili by jste své vozidlo za robotické, měli li by jste tuto možnost?

Hlavní příklad, u kterého se setkávám už s větším odporem (celkem pochopitelným) je můj názor na Čínského velkého bratra, neboť si nemyslím, že se jedná o tak špatnou věc. Aby nedošlo k omylu, Čínu moc rád nemám (je to takové horší Japonsko), ale systém kontrolující občany, ať už z důvodu dodržování pořádku, či rychlé pomoci v případě nutnosti, je dle mého názoru věc dobrá.
Slyšel jsem spoustu argumentů, hlavní protiargumenty se nejspíše dají rozdělit na: 

Je to zásah do soukromí - Není, takovýto systém se má vztahovat pouze na interakce na veřejnosti

Tento systém je využíván pro politické účely - Ano, dělala ho Šína, tak je pochopitelné, že si do toho natlačili politické hledikso, nicméně zde jde argumentovat stejně jako u dalšího bodu, a to

Takovýto systém použijí mocní k útlaku slabých - Ano, pokud se systém neimplementuje správně, s pravidly pro všechny stejnými.

Důvod, proč je možné velmi snadno zneužívat podobné systémy, je lidský faktor. Samotný systém je v tom nevinně. Jinými slovy, takováto aplikace se většinou pokazí na tom, že je automatizovaná příliš málo a příliš málo veřejně.

Přes všechny tyto vady, když si představíme ideálně fungující systém, který není zneužívaný, je špatné, aby byli lidé hodnocení nějakým sociálním kreditem? Nikoliv za politické postoje, ale za reálné skutky, které v životě dělají.

Mám za to, že v ne příliš vzdálené budoucnosti budeme muset jako národ, a asi i jako civilizace, rozhodnout, zda podobné systémy na sledování obyvatel budou a) veřejné, a snad i prospěšné pro jednotlivce, a také spravedlivé, a nebo za b) utajené, v rukou elity, která s tím bude nakládal dle své vůle, a jednotlivec nebude mít užitek žádný. Nemyslím, že by byla i možnost c - konec konců, už každý žijeme ve světě, kde máme každý své utajené sociální kredity, ať už na FB, Googlu, a podobných.
Každý máme svůj virtuální profil, s údaji o našich preferencích, dle kterých se nám nabízejí reklamy. Když se někoho zeptám, zda by byl ochotný zveřejnit tyto své údaje, které má aktuálně v držení korporace, či je alespoň předat do držení nějaké neutrální osobě (třeba státu), tak odpoví, že ne.
Toto si myslím,že je velmi nezdravý postoj, neboť v zájmu zachování svého soukromí, jehož existence je už tak sporná, vlkádáme někomu do rukou velmi velkou moc.
Navíc je v poslední době čím dál více patrné, že tyto korporace nejsou vůbec anon3760934795itické, jak se dříve tvářili. Proč tudíž takový odpor ke sledování státem, ale zároveň taková ochota nechat se sledovat koroporací? Protože ""Muh private company""?

Omezování osobního soukromí ve prospěch kolektivu je už dnes normou, a do budoucna nevidím příliš šanci na změnu. Vlak se soukromím jednotlivce ujel už tak dávno, že se mezitím stačil vrátit nákladem sibiřské oceli a ujel znovu.
Ale to není tak špatná zpráva, pokud by skutečně byli lidé proti, tak si nenechají toto soukromí odebrat dobrovolně a tak nadšeně. Vidím to velmi optimisticky, ale pouze s předpokladem, že se všichni přestanou chovat jako pokrytci."
2,65182,2019-11-22T16:11:23.862Z,11738,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,65178,anon4062071924,anon714634410,"Ahoj anon714634410e, díky moc za příspěvek! O automatizovaném ne/sledování se v Praze začíná rozbíhat debata, uvidíme, kterým směrem se to posune... Viz článek: 
https://ct24.cesanon3213561856elevize.cz/regiony/2982332-prazsti-policiste-oteviraji-diskusi-zda-vyzkouset-technologii-na-rozpoznavani"
3,65981,2019-11-27T10:02:53.672Z,11738,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,65178,anon3353600255,anon714634410,"Ahoj anon714634410e a díky za skvělý příspěvek! Já si myslím, že tady hrajou roli kulturně předávané historické zkušenosti. Bezpečnostní kamery, ať už otevřené, nebo skyrté, které kontroluje státní aparát, vyvolávají asociace na ""fízlování"", který je u nás natolik spojený s utlačovatelskými režimy, hlavně tím komunistickým. Ale není to jenom ten, i Gestapo si lidi fotilo a špiclování Čechů, kteří chtěj prostě jenom kecat u piva, je ostatně jedním z úvodních témat Švejka, který je tak trochu biblí český národní identity:). Lidem ale třeba nevadí, že koukají přímo do kamery při každém výběru z bankomatu, chápou bezpečnostní rozměr tohodle opatření. Takže jak říkáš, je paradox - tak nějak lidem, alespoň podvědomě pode mého  vadí, že každý rok vykazují státu do koruny kolik vydělali, ale to že, jejich banka mnoho ví i to, co nedeklarovali u daňovýho přiznání, kolik pěněz projedli a propili v který hospodě, je už tolik nebolí. Je to možná tím, že si díky reltavině krátké zkušenosti s kapitalismem korporaace pořád idealizujeme? A pak je zároveň rovnou démonizujeme? Možná by bylo lepší si uvědomit, že mají prostě nějaké cíle, motivace k jednání.. jinak ještě k té integraci technologií do lidské společnosti, je to filozofický problém, který stojí u základů  sci-fi jako žánru, a je dobře, že si modelujeme v představách ty negativní scénáře, jedná se v podstatě o filozofické zkoumání těhlech otázek. Třeba seriál [Black Mirror](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2085059/) vlastně docela dobře vyjadřuje ducha naší doby v tomhle ohledu,"
1,65136,2019-11-22T12:18:24.613Z,11724,0,7,6,2,0,0,41.4,65136,anon840265576,anon840265576,"Mám kamaráda. Budeme mu pracovně říanon3213561856 Evžen. Evžen, protože je to lovec žen. Jednou, před pár lety, mě Evžen pozval na svoji oslavu. Vždy jsem obdivoval, jak to umí s holkama. Tedy rozhodně lépe než já. Evžen je charismatický, chytrý a extrémně upovídaný.
Prostě to, co holky přitahuje. Na tu svoji oslavu pozval i svoji kamarádku. Bylo mi od začátku jasné, jaké s ní má Evžen úmysly. Večerní úmysly.
Krásná, sympatická mladá slečna. Říkal jsem si: ""...tak teď Evžen vytasí všechny svoje zbraně a zas bude mít vyhráno. Ale jednou se karta obrátila. Evžen nás seznámil a vše bylo jinak. 
Tentokrát Evžen ostrouhal. S tou krásnou, sympatickou a chytrou slečnou teď čekáme miminko. Byl to osud, ale Evžen tomu dost pomohl. Takže ještě jednou moc děkuju, Kubo (teda Evžene). :)
Potkali jste ve svým životě taky nějakýho Evžena, který vám nakonec byl nějak ""prospěšný"", byť to na začátku nevypadalo? ;)"
2,65140,2019-11-22T12:23:02.783Z,11724,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,65136,anon4062071924,anon840265576,"Ahoj kamaráde, díky za pěknou povídačku... Jak tak přemýšlím, asi jsem žádnýho takovýho Evžena ještě nepotkal, neseznámíš nás, prosím? :) Každopádně když jste mi poslali do Kanady fotku, jak spolu v objetí sedíte u vás doma (a já o tom vůbec nevěděl), dojali jste mě, takže děkuju i já."
3,65980,2019-11-27T09:42:30.999Z,11724,0,1,0,1,0,0,5.2,65136,anon3353600255,anon840265576,"Ahoj Evženův kamaráde:) Já mám pocit, že snad všechny slečny jsem potkal přes někoho - i když shodou okolností snad ani ne přes Evžena:-P. S mou manželkou jsem se ale poznal přes kamarádku, která má velmi podobné charakteristiky jako Evžen - ráda hodně povídá a lidi ji rádi hodně poslouchaj. Některý lidi na to maj talent a zároveň se kolem nich pak koncentrujou celkem fajn lidi, dovolím si tvrdit, že se to ukazuje i tady na platformě;)"
1,65064,2019-11-21T21:41:43.239Z,11713,0,9,8,2,0,0,26.8,65064,anon1614423805,anon1614423805,"
             „*Páteční podvečer*“. Pojem, který s dětmi ztrácí trochu svý kouzlo. Čas, který před několika lety věnujete zkrášlujícímu rituálu před velkým pátečním mejdanem, teď trávíte nejdřív nad odsávačkami, pak nad plínkami, krmením, uspáváním... Když se vším tímhle prokoušete, jste u stavění kostek na sebe a najednou šup, projektujete velkolepý díla typu hasičský stanice, nádraží nebo nemocnice pro zvířátka. V lepším případě je tu pak dětské hřiště a společnost matek a jejich pokladů, které bůhví proč vyvolávají konflikty s vaším už tak dost cholerickým dítětem. 


Tohle páteční odpoledne padla kostka na hřiště. Venku i v sedum hodin příjemný teplo, slunce nad Žižkovem zapadalo do červenorůžový peřiny, ptáci švitořili, a já s kamarádkou a našima dětma seděla na pískovišti a nechávala si zahrabávat bosý nohy do písku. Chvilku písek, chvilku klouzačka, pak zase písek, nějaký to běhání kolem hřiště, klouzačka, písek, houpačka. Jenže: Mami, houpej mě. Ok, posadit, drž se, a jedeme houpy houpy, kočka snědla....blablabla. 

Kamarádčin potomek pak dostává hlad. Čerstvej chleba koupenej cestou na hřiště. Máme na něj chuť všichni. Kapesní nožík od Ježíška, na kterej snad od prosince ještě nedošlo právě přichází do akce. Já stále houpy houpy, když v tom od lavičky au, jsem se asi řízla. Beru na vědomí, ale dál houpu. Asi nic hroznýho. Jenže on ten poprvý za sedm měsíců použitej nožík velikosti párátka byl dost vostrej. Periferně zahlídnu červenou zvětšující se skvrnu pod lavičkou. Do prdele, napadne mě. Okamžitě sundávám dítě z houpačky a běžím ke kamarádce, říkejme ji třeba El. Její obličej začíná šednout. Úměrně tomu se taky zvětšuje louže krve pod ní a ze stehna proudem teče jasně červená krev. Rozhlídni se. Reaguj. Rozmýšlej. Tři pravidla první pomoci, který jsou v mý paměti ještě čerstvý z kurzu, na kterým jsem byla asi před měsícem. Ufff. Zastav krvácení, komunikuj. Po tom, co vyplácám dvě balení kapesníku, rychlost jakou voda stýká do kaluže a hromady kapesníků je pořád stejná. Hrozný. Co teď? Hlavně klid! Mluv! Jak ti je? chceš si lehnout? Měly bychom to zaškrtit, jinak to nepřestane (jak víme, že zaškrcením to přestane crčet jako pramen Moravy pod Kralickým Sněžníkem?!!) Čím ale? Nemám čím, vysypu celej svůj batoh, vysypu celej její batoh, a pořád nemám ČÍM!! Tak já asi zavolám, co myslíš El? Nevolej, to dáme. Ok, kšandy na supr trupr wotrprůf novejch kalhotech za osm kil. Pojďte holky! Deset, devět, osm, sedm... Kapání přestává. El se vrací barva. Ale au! Tchýně zdravotní sestra v Motole. Vyfotit, poslat. Dírka na legínách a pod ní rána na dva stehy. Když pojedeš do nemocnice, dají ti tam dva stehy. Běžte domů, udělejte mašličku a nekrájejte chleba na koleni. Amen. 

P.S. Kurz první pomoci zážitkem „ZDrSem“ doporučuju všema deseti. Já absolvovala celodenní verzi plnou nácviků a simulací a jsem si jistá, že informace z něj mi hlavou neprotekly "
2,65065,2019-11-21T21:53:22.464Z,11713,0,7,6,3,0,0,16.4,65064,anon4062071924,anon1614423805,"Ahoj Lucko, fakt sila, dobre, ze si ty zaklady tak dobre pamatujes! Proc vas napadlo ""nevolej, to dame?"" Ja vas jako nezavislej pozorovatel videl, volam insta... Je neco spatne na ""zavolani""? Jakkoli: chleb+koleno=pruser :))"
3,65979,2019-11-27T09:37:28.388Z,11713,0,4,3,2,0,0,10.8,65064,anon3353600255,anon1614423805,"Ahoj, díky moc sa sdílení - to byla docela akční zkušenost! No hlavně teda jako gratulace k duchapřítomný reakci, ne vždycky se člověku pdaří. Já jsem absolvoval akorát KPR v Motole, něco si pamutuju, ale pak už mám jen velmi teoretickou průpravu v podobě testu za autoškoly:) Dělá ZDrSem i nějaké delší, průběžné kurzy? A na který konkrétně jsi šla ty?"
1,65890,2019-11-26T15:45:28.237Z,11941,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,65890,anon2141669219,anon2141669219,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Jestem filozofką, filolożką i feministką - intetresuje mnie kino jako narzędzie edukacji i feminizm jako aktywizm i dziedzina filozofii. 
Polska po trzech dekadach PRL zanon1547754019 się przede wszystkim z ogromnymi nierównościami społecznymi i z brakiem poczucia solidarności z ofiarami zanon1235093333ny ustrojowej. Dialog umożliwiłaby edukacja, dobre dziennikarstwo i ćwiczenia w empatii.

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

feminizm, aktywizm, prawa loanon3213561856orek i loanon3213561856orów - uważam,że te tematy to dobry punkt wyjścia do rozmów o niesprawiedliwości i wykluczeniu.



**Imię lub nickname:** Jola Prochowicz"
1,65825,2019-11-26T10:40:58.810Z,11925,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,65825,anon2526431048,anon2526431048,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Jestem nauczycielką języka francuskiego i pracuje w korporacji również z językiem francuskim. Nie mam porównania do tego ci było 3 dekady temu bo sama mama 30 lat. Jedynie z opowieści.

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Najbliższe są mi prawa kobiet.



**Imię lub nickname:** Nika"
1,65827,2019-11-26T10:41:14.278Z,11926,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,65827,anon836444419,anon836444419,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Prawie cztery lata zajmuję się feminizmem i upowszechnianiem wiedzy o nierównościach płci, prawach reprodukcyjnych, aktywizmem społecznym online i promocją postaw feministycznych. Wierzę w to, że możemy rozmawiać natoanon1235093333st warto popracować nad tym, w jaki sposób rozmawiamy, edukować już tych zainteresowanych tematem, tak aby poprawić jakość dialogu wewnątrz baniek informacyjnych, które deklarują poparcie dla poszanowania praw człowieka i praworządności. Martwi mnie polaryzacja społeczeństwa i odnoszę wrażenie, że jeśli chcemy zanon1235093333ny, musimy zacząć ją od siebie - w tym dbać o sztukę rozmowy, argumentowania, oddzielania opinii od faktów, uwzględnić emocje w dyskursie zaanon1235093333st spychać je na bok jako ""mniej merytoryczne"". Narodowi przysłużyłaby się grupowa terapia, którą możemy zacząć w mniejszych kręgach, tak aby jej efekt przełożył się na większe, strategiczne działania. Wierzę w moc rozmowy i bliskości, która przejawia się w działaniach lokalnych społeczności, kręgów kobiet, samopomocy sąsiedzkiej. A jak czują się dzisiaj Polacy? Są zmęczeni, tak bardzo że zaanon1235093333st rozwiązywać problemy, wolą je odsunąć i ignorować. Osoby, które działają na rzecz poprawy dialogu i komunikacji są wypalone aktywistycznie i zdarza się, że replikują przemocowe schematy, bo wyjście z nich jest trudne i czasochłonne.

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Bliski mi jest temat feminizmu, chcę obejrzeć film Strajk Kobiet i przybić piątkę Kayi. Jestem ciekawa o czym opowie Grzegorz Paprzycki. Tematy loanon3213561856orskie śledzę, jednak chętnie posłucham więcej informacji bezpośrednio.



**Imię lub nickname:** Kasi"
1,65781,2019-11-25T23:04:26.909Z,11916,0,6,5,2,0,0,26.2,65781,anon1157526357,anon1157526357,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Polska po ustaniu PRLu i wejściu do świata zachodnioeuropejskiego, stanęła w obliczu zderzenia gospodarczego.  Ostatnie trzy dekady były okresem zrównywania się w rozwoju z pozostałymi krajami. Szczególnie intensywne były lata, kiedy Polska należy do Unii Europejskiej. Mam wrażenie, że Polacy w tym czasie odczuwali kompleks Zachodu. Niedowartościowanie, które skutkowało zamykaniem się na różnorodność kulturową, która stamtąd płynęła. W tej kwestii niewiele się zmieniło, wręcz ostatnie lata potęgują te zachowania. Nie można generalizować o wizji Polski przez Polaków, ponieważ wartości są różne i wręcz skrajne. Ja swoim zachowaniem staram się dążyć do Polski otwartej, różnorodnej i tolerancyjnej. 

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Spotkanie z działaczem loanon3213561856orskim. Niezgodne z prawem eksmisje są dla mnie tematem wyjątkowo bulwersującym i palącym.



**Imię lub nickname:** pwm666"
1,65777,2019-11-25T21:50:39.310Z,11915,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,65777,anon485882150,anon485882150,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Polska ""radzi sobie"" słabo - w obliczu nieuchronnych zanon1235093333n można obserwować tendencje regresywne i wyparciowe. Stąd powrót do tradycjonalistycznych wartości, które mogą wydawać się kotwicą w dynamicznie zmieniającej się rzeczywistości.  

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prawa kobiet, ciałopozytywność i polityka ciała



**Imię lub nickname:** AagaataaM"
1,65773,2019-11-25T21:24:31.034Z,11913,0,7,6,451,0,0,2271.4,65773,anon3547390233,anon3547390233,"Od kilku lat trwa dyskusja o globalnym kryzysie demokracji. Ludzie na całym świecie dokonują wyborów, które szokują liberalne elity. Brexit w Wielkiej Brytanii, wybór Donalda Trumpa w Stanach Zjednoczonych, wygrana PiSu w Polsce, zwycięstwa Victora Orbana na Węgrzech, Salviniego we Włoszeczch, czy wybór Bolsanero w Brazylii. Liberałowie nazywają ich prawicowymi populistami. Nie potrafią zrozumieć ich fenomenu. Pytani o źródła sukcesu tych formacji bezradne rozkładają ręce. Odpowiedzią ma być edukacja obywateli, którzy nie wiedzą po prostu dlaczego ich wybory są złe. Socjolog  profesor anon4110936133usz Czapiński, twórca regularnie publikowanego badania nt. nastrojów panujących w polskim społeczeństwie pt. „Diagnoza Społeczna”, komentując wynik wyborów w 2015 roku powiedział: „módlmy się, by oni [młodzi Polacy] jak najszybciej wyemigrowali, dzięki czemu ochronimy porządek”. Wyborcy na całym świecie nie chcą polityki jak zawsze. Głosują na zanon1235093333nę. Przeciwko elitom i status quo. 

Nowe władze wybrane w demokratycznych wyborach atakują i podważają przyjęte dogmaty. Wśród najważniejszych z nich jest niezależność sądów i monteskiuszowski trójpodział władzy. Możemy często usłyszeć, że praworządność jest zagrożona przez rządy prawicowych populistów. Prawo i Sprawiedliwość rozpoczęło swoje od ataku na Trybunał Konstytucyjny i sędziów. Donald Trump regularnie oskarża sędziów, którzy wydają wyroki nie po jego myśli i atakuje niezależne dochodzenia wymierzone w jego działalność. Również premier Izreala Beniamin Netanjahu po postawieniu go w stan oskarżenia pod zarzutami korupcji, nie podał się do dymisji, tylko zaatakował prokuratorów i śledczych.  Te ataki nie budzą specjalnego społecznego oporu. W Polsce początkowo odbywały się duże demonstracje w obronie niezależności Trybunału Konstytucyjnego, ale szybko społeczne emocje wypaliły się. Wielu ludzi nie widzi w sądach gwaranta wolności obywatelskich. Część postrzega je jako gwaranta status quo, a część wręcz utożsaanon1235093333 wyanon1235093333r sprawiedliwości z działalnością quasi przestępczą. Ogromną popularność zdobyły słowa wypowiedziane przez sędzię Irenę Kamińską: Ja całe życie broniłam sędziów, uważam że to jest zupełnie nadzwyczajna kasta ludzi i myślę proszę państwa że damy radę. Określenie „nadzwyczajna kasta” zdobyło ogromną popularność i niemal natychanon1235093333st weszło do powszechnego użycia.  Skąd tak wielka nieufność do sądów? Żeby to zrozumieć musimy cofnąć się w czasie.  

Od końca XIX wieku toczy się spór między dwoma szkołami prawa. Obie reprezentują pewną filozofię i sposób myślenia o społeczeństwie. Pierwsza jest związana ze szkołą austriacką i prawem pozytywnym. Rozuanon1235093333ła ono prawo jako zbiór suchych i technicznych regulacji, które mają po prostu określać sposób rozstrzygania sporów. Druga szkoła to szkoła prawa naturalnego. Dla jej zwolenników prawo musi wyrażać interes społeczny i naturalne prawa człowieka. Szkoła austriacka skompromitowała się wraz z dojściem Hitlera do władzy. Ustawy norymberskie były przecież legalne. Wydawało się, że ostateczny cios temu sposobowi myślenia zadały ruchy praw człowieka, które doprowadziły do podważenia w latach 50-tych i 60-tych ustaw umożliwiających  segregację rasową, czy karanie za homoseksualizm. Inne spojrzenia na całą kwestię anon1235093333ł Karol Marks, który po prostu uważał sądy za jedno z narzędzi utrzymania burżuazyjnej władzy. Rządy prawa to po prostu rządy bogatych ubrane w ładne słowa. Prawnik i filozof Carl Schmitt twierdził, że w prawie jest przedłużeniem woli politycznej „suwerena”. To nie prawo jest źródłem władzy, ale właśnie decyzja ludzi, którzy powierzyli w wyborach prawo do reprezentowania siebie politykom. Oderwanie prawa od woli ludzi powoduje, że praworządność staje się pustym słowem, które nic nie znaczy. Schmitt i Marks zgodziliby się zapewne z tym, że wyanon1235093333r sprawiedliwości funkcjonujący w granicach prawa może być źródłem największego bezprawia. 

Zazwyczaj prezentuje się ostatnie trzydzieści lat jako sukces liberalnej demokracji i wolnorynkowej gospodarki. Jeśli jednak zgodzimy się, że sukcesy „prawicowych populistów” nie wzięły się z powietrza to musimy zastanowić czy przyjęta przez nas optyka patrzenia na rzeczywistość uwzględnia pełną dynamikę procesów społecznych i gospodarczych. Dlaczego ludzie buntują się przeciwko „demokracji” i „praworządności”? Czy w 1989 roku nie zamieniliśmy jednej władzy autorytarnej na drugą władzę równie autorytarną, ale ukrytą pod płaszczykiem indywidualnej wolności? Czy dzisiejszy bunt mas nie jest po prostu buntem przeciwko systemowi, który z demokracją i reprezentowaniem interesów większości nie ma nic wspólnego? Przez ostatnie lata prawo w Polsce i na świecie służyło bogatym. Stało się narzędziem przemocy i pozbawiania praw. Przećwiczyłem to dobrze na własnej skórze.

**Procesy o zniesławienie** 

Przeciwko mnie wytyczono łącznie 22 sprawy sądowe o zniesławienie. Wszystkie dotyczą spraw ważnych dla naszego kraju i społeczeństwa. Krytykowałem osoby publiczne: biznesmenów, polityków i adwoanon3213561856ów. W Polsce prawo dopuszcza złożenie prywatnego aktu oskarżenia i cywilnego pozwu w tej samej sprawie. Już raz zdarzyło się, że sąd karny uniewinnił mnie a potem sąd cywilny skazał w tej samej sprawie. Sprawy karne toczą się za zamkniętymi drzwiami. Oznacza to, że opinia publiczna ma dużo mniejszą możliwość obserwowania przebiegu procesu. Przegrana w sprawie karnej oznacza nawet możliwość rocznej odsiadki. Zawsze takie sprawy oznaczają ogromne wydatki na prawników i ogromny stres. Oskarżający rzadko się pojawiają na sali sądowej. Działają przez wynajętych pełnomocników, których zadaniem jest nie tylko sama wygrana, ale zmęczenie przeciwnika. Mało kto może sobie pozwolić finansowo i psychologicznie na luksus prowadzenia kilku postępowań przed sądem. W ostatniej sprawie przegrałem, bo sąd uznał, że wyrażenie „dzika reprywatyzacja” oznacza oskarżenia kogoś o działalność przestępczą. Sąd skazał mnie na grzywnę w wysokości 5 tysięcy złotych i przeprosiny na jednym z większych portali w Polsce. Ich koszt wyceniono na ponad dwieście tysięcy złotych. Na grzywny nie wolno prowadzić zbiórek publicznych. W innej sprawie sąd właściwie nie był wstanie wytłumaczyć dlaczego mnie skazuje na 15 tysięcy złotych grzywny więc utajnił uzasadnienie wyroku. Cała sprawa toczyła się za zamkniętymi drzwiami a następnie sąd zakazał mówić o tym co go motywowało do tak surowej kary. W razie uprawomocnienia tych wyroków będę kryminalistą i to bez grosza przy duszy. Socjologowie i prawnicy mówią, że takie pozwy mają wywołać efekt mrożący. Wysłać sygnał opinii publicznej, żeby nie krytykowała wpływowych i bogatych.

**Dzika reprywatyzacja**

Sformułowanie dzika reprywatyzacja, za które zostałem już  skazany, oznacza przekazywanie publicznego majątku w prywatne ręce rzekomym spadkobiercom nie w drodze ustawy i rozwiązania systemowego, ale na mocy orzecznictwa sądowego. To właśnie sądy wymyśliły i przeprowadziły reprywatyzację w Warszawie. Polska jako jedyny kraj tej części Europy nie doczekał się uchwalenia ustawy reprywatyzacyjnej. W Warszawie na mocy tzw. dekretu Bieruta doszło w 1945 roku do nacjonalizacji wszystkich nieruchomości. Miasto było w ruinie i chodziło o jego szybką odbudowę. Zdziesiątkowani i zrujnowani właściciele kamienic nie mieli takiej możliwości. Za znacjonalizowane mienie anon1235093333ło przysługiwać odszkodowanie, którego komuniści nigdy nie wypłacili. Na tej podstawie 50 lat po wydaniu dekretu rozpoczęło się unieważnianie decyzji nacjonalizacyjnych. Sądy administracyjne uznały, że mogą takie decyzje eliminować z obrotu prawnego tak jakby przez te pół wieku nic się nie wydarzyło a te decyzje nie anon1235093333ły nieodwracalnych konsekwencji. Otworzyły w ten sposób puszkę Pandory. Dekret Bieruta stał się w XXI wieku prawem na podstawie, którego dokonano przekazywania majątku w prywatne ręce. Sądy administracyjne z biegiem lat poszerzały grupę osób uprawnionych do „zwrotu” nieruchomości i ograniczały możliwość odmowy reprywatyzacji nieruchomości. W ten sposób całkowicie przedefiniowały anon3213561856egorię interesu publicznego i użyteczności publicznej. Po dwudziestu latach radosnej działalności prawników prywatne mogły stać się w Warszawie nie tylko budynki wielorodzinne, ale również szkoły a nawet parki. W dodatku sądy uniemożliwiły w pewnym momencie uczestnictwa w procesach loanon3213561856orom kamienic. Pozbawiono więc ogromną rzeszę ludzi, którzy mieli największy interes w tym, żeby pilnować legalności całego procesu, z możliwości zabierania głosu. W ten sposób sądy wprowadziły niejako dwie anon3213561856egorie obywatelstwa, które opierało się na własności. Loanon3213561856or budynku komunalnego nie anon1235093333ł prawa występować w swoim imieniu. Oczywiście duża część procederu okazała się kontrolowana przez grupy przestępcze, a urzędnik wydający decyzje przez dekadę w stolicy został aresztowany pod zarzutami korupcji.

Wraz z odpolitycznieniem procesów rządzenia i oddania ich rynkowi sądy ogrywają coraz większą rolę. Pieniądze dzisiaj nie tylko zwiększją szanse sukcesu w sądzie, ale również czasem decydują o możliwości zabierania głosu przed nim. Dzięki pieniądzom sądy stają się narzędziem w rękach bogatych do uciszania słabszych. Tylko wzrost demokratycznej kontroli wyanon1235093333ru sprawiedliwości może odwrócić tę tendencje. Pozbycie się pieniędzy z sądów i polityki staje się głównym wyzwaniem współczesnej demokracji."
1,65726,2019-11-25T16:16:46.993Z,11900,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,65726,anon3245859576,anon3245859576,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Wierzę w przyszłość roślinną i oddychanie bez masek, wierzę w energię słońca i relaksujący dźwięk kapiącego deszczu, wierzę w siebie, bezwarunkową miłość i że nikt nie rodzi się zły. Wierzę, że razem możemy więcej, mądrzej i lepiej. 

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Szczególnie bliska jest mi tematyka ciałopozytywności.



**Imię lub nickname:** Ewelina"
1,65752,2019-11-25T18:14:32.762Z,11910,0,5,4,2,0,0,11.0,65752,anon1513864591,anon1513864591,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Mam 18 lat, jestem w klasie maturalnej liceum. Nie mogę za dużo napisać na temat zanon1235093333n po okresie PRL-u, ponieważ nie doświadczyłem ich i znam je tylko z lekcji historii. 
Co jednak dotyczy mnie, to bardzo chciałbym poruszyć kwestię młodzieży- spędzania przez nich czasu, łamania wśród nich tematów tabu i uświadaanon1235093333nia o wartościach i wpływie polityki na kraj.
Osobiście interesuję się polityką i historią, ale także i wydarzeniami kulturalnymi, w których bardzo chętnie uczestniczę. Co dla mnie byłoby ważne, to kwestia rewitalizacji starych objektów, które na to zasługują. Co do wydarzeń kulturalnych, to przede wszystkim takie, które połączą miłe spędzenie czasu i wyniesienie jakichś wartości (bardzo mile widziane Kongresy Kobiet). 
Jeśli zaś chodzi o edukację młodzieży, to trzeba postawić na tematy, które nie są tak łatwe w zrozumieniu, jak choćby temat seksu, polityki, seksualności, życia w dorosłości i zagrożeń płynących z dzisiejszego świata.
Co do mnie- wierzę w demokratyczną przyszłość, gdzie wszyscy będa mieli prawo do własnego zdania, poglądów i gdzie dla wszystkich znajdą się miejsca pracy. To także przyszłość, w której poszerzą się światopoglądy ludzi i przede wszystkim- zasiądzię nowa, lepsza władza.

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Tematy społeczne, ponieważ dotyczą każdego z nas i to sprawia, że dostrzegamy nowe wartości, swoje miejsce w tym wszystkim i swoją wartość.



**Imię lub nickname:** Fulcrum"
1,63208,2019-11-06T16:48:51.589Z,11395,0,20,19,3,0,0,34.0,63208,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"## CZ

1. MOJE CESTA
https://edgeryders.eu/t/moje-cesta/11164
Po tom čím jsem si prošla, už vím, jak je důležité být psychicky v pohodě. Pomohlo mi to udat mému životu nový směr a otevřelo mi to oči. Uvědomila jsem si, jak je to pro mě vlastně důležité starat se o to, co si svému tělu a sobě dopřeji. Eliminovala jsem veškeré chemické přípravky, už jen přírodní kosmetika, čistící prostředky. Začala jsem cestovat, cvičit jógu, žít bez zbytečností a hlavně pro zážitky. Snažím se neplýtvat a být zero waste. Může to někomu připadat jako klišé, nechci nikoho přesvědčovat. Žij a nech žít! :)

2. (NE)DOSTUPNÉ BYDLENÍ ANEB (NE)SPOKOJENÝ ŽIVOT MLADÉHO PRAŽÁKA
https://edgeryders.eu/t/ne-dostupne-bydleni-aneb-ne-spokojeny-zivot-mladeho-prazaka/11115
Takže ten pověstný „MamaHotel“ je vlastně důsledek problému (ne)dostupného bydlení a né že bychom se rádi nechali rozmazlovat a obsluhovat, ale spíš není moc jiných možností. Ekonomicky to prostě není udržitelný. Jó, ještě před sto lety by stačilo postavit rodičům vejminek a bylo by vystaráno, ale dnes abys stavil vejminek sobě… :slight_smile: Vzpomínám, jak sem nedávno viděl statistiku, kdy mladí lidé „opouštěj hnízdo“. Zatímco ve Skandinávii je to lehce po dvaceti, my to máme asi o deset let pozdějc. A jestli to takhle půjde dál, brzo každej druhej u rodičů zestárne. Já sem jen rád, že můžu konečně ve svých čtyřiatřiceti vypadnout od našich a žít aspoň v tom spolubydlení, než se najde něco lepšího.

3. HIPHOP A JEHO VLIV NA PSYCHICKÉ ZDRAVÍ MLADÝCH
https://edgeryders.eu/t/hiphop-a-jeho-kulturni-vliv-na-psychicke-zdravi-mladych/11130
Stejně tak nemám v úmyslu se stavět do pozice hodnotící nastupující generaci a odbýt jí tvrzením, že my jsme byli jiní. Jako teenageři jsme taky chtěli být cool a podobat se svým vzorům. Vnímám však určitý posun v kolika letech jsou mladí lidé v Česku ochotni si díky těmto kulturním vlivům potetovat obličej, nebo experimentovat s (zne)užíváním léků nebo tvrdých drog.


*** SUMMARY POST: https://edgeryders.eu/t/co-je-noveho-v/11415

## PL

1.  ""Moje pokolenie jeszcze nie dostało sygnału, że świat leży u naszych stóp i możemy robić wszystko i wszędzie (to otrzymali Millenialsi), ale już nam szepnięto, że można sięgnąć po więcej. Jeśli tylko jesteś wystarczająco dobry. Lub masz szczęście lub znajomości.""

https://edgeryders.eu/t/30-pokolenie-niewykorzystanych-szans/11330

2. Zastanawiam się tylko czasami jak sobie radzą osoby, które nie mają tyle szczęścia co ja. I zaczynam wtedy rozumieć, że część z nas potrzebuje jeździć starymi dilami, zatrudniać na czarno opiekunki z Ukrainy, pracować na dwa etaty na umowach śmieciowych i leczyć się lekami z reklamy. I rozumiem dlaczego wolimy dostać tu i teraz 500+ lub 13 emeryturę za cenę przymykania oczu na szwindle władzy i szczucie na innych: obcych, nieheteroseksualnych, lewych. Nawet ja mam poczucie życia w ciągłej niepewności i braku zaufania: czy lekarz umie leczyć i czy mu się zachce, czy pociąg przyjedzie na czas, czy mnie ktoś na ulicy nie zwyzywa, czy nauczyciel w szkole swoimi nieświadomymi komentarzami i działaniami traumatyzuje moje dziecko itd., itd. I zaczynam rozumieć, że część z nas ma wywalone na wybory, podatki, jakość edukacji, służby zdrowia, opieki i transportu. Wiemy, że możemy liczyć tylko na siebie. Na państwo, samorząd, polityków nie ma co liczyć i nie ma sensu inwestować czasu i energii.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/male-rzeczy-ktore-maja-znaczenie/11318

3. Nie zamierzam się tutaj skupiać na analizie czy krytyce działań środowisk LGBT (jak się jednak pewnie domyślacie – ocenianych w większości krytycznie przeze mnie). Chciałem natoanon1235093333st podzielić się konstatacją, że kontrowersyjne, obrazoburcze lub po prostu nieprzyzwoite działania aktywistów LGBT nie wzburzają tylko tych kogo bezpośrednio dotyczą, ale stanowią również jeden z istotnych czynników w kształtowaniu obrazu Europy w przestrzeni poradzieckiej. Świadomie lub nie, ale środowiska LGBT są wykorzystywane w rosyjskiej propagandzie.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/krotkie-przemyslenia-o-postrzeganiu-europy-w-kontekscie-ideologii-lgbt/11174


## SB

1. "" Broj akademskih građana je dostigao zavidan nivo, a broj doktora nauka se u poslednjih 10 godina povećao za 880%! Fascinantno, zar ne? Postali smo zemlja magistara i doktora koji svoje znanje u najvećem broju slučajeva duguju internetu i „copy/paste“ komandi na računaru.""

https://edgeryders.eu/t/narod-magistara-i-doktora/11244

2. "" Da imas magični štapić šta bi ubacio svakom građaninu Srbije u glavu? Čavić​​: Ubacio bih im sposobnost da rasuđuju svojim mozgom i da traže uvek više izvora informacija pa da sami zaključe. I onemogućio bih im da veruju bilo kom političaru!""

https://edgeryders.eu/t/ciklotron/11321

3. ""Bila je prodavačica u radnji lokalnog tekstilnog giganta, otišla u starosnu penziju koja je umanjena zbog nedovoljno radnog staža i iznosi 18.000 dinara. Nema stan i nema za stan. Nema za dom. Nema za lekove, nema za hranu, nema nikoga da je pomogne. Nema ni socijalnu pomoć, jer ima penziju, nema političare koji bi se sa njom slikali, jer ta slika nije lepa. I ta slika nikoga ne zanima. Hoću li i ja završiti tako?""

https://edgeryders.eu/t/kako-ce-izgledati-moja-starost-u-srbiji/10623"
2,63259,2019-11-07T08:43:24.599Z,11395,1,15,14,1,0,0,13.0,63208,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,@anon
3,63260,2019-11-07T08:48:22.595Z,11395,1,14,13,1,0,0,27.8,63259,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"yes i remember, will do this this afternoon,"
4,63265,2019-11-07T09:17:00.739Z,11395,2,14,13,1,0,0,47.8,63260,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Maybe we can change it from best of to something less competitive? :) Like, stories you might like... or something in this vein."
5,63275,2019-11-07T10:27:17.966Z,11395,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,63265,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Sure, go ahead and change it! It's more of a working resource, for the team.. So i didn't think, but you're right."
6,63290,2019-11-07T11:35:02.044Z,11395,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,63265,anon781457888,anon3593942245,It's for internal use so it doesn't matter what exact wording is. Point is to select the one the team thinks are the most generative/interesting discussions on topics that will be covered in the events.
7,63350,2019-11-07T16:38:41.267Z,11395,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,63208,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"The selection is soooo hard because there are sooo many good stories there! I really want to show anon1274458134, because he is rocking the community at the moment. Amazing person, conservative to the bone, but really engaging with a whole range of conversations. Love him. His quote is problematic, but I want to give it a try. 

The second one is a fun, witty, multidimensional piece that touches upon a wide range of problems. Well written, open-ended, smart."
8,63422,2019-11-08T06:12:08.260Z,11395,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,63208,anon781457888,anon2446385507,Where is that spreadsheet with the names and URLS of facebook groups for the different countries? @anon2446385507 or @anon
9,63424,2019-11-08T06:37:29.476Z,11395,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,63422,anon2446385507,anon781457888,Here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r7XMK9XD-ejGQomMTmYB0YCH2MXkSkGRLhIScw-dSsY/edit
10,63490,2019-11-08T12:26:31.535Z,11395,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,63208,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"In our case the event will be shared in groups and on profiles of our speakers - which have a LOOOT of followers because we have quite a few stars

https://www.facebook.com/LubelskaAkcjaLoanon3213561856orska/
https://www.facebook.com/noproblembracka20/
https://www.facebook.com/anon4110936133DawidSpiewak/
https://www.facebook.com/cialopozytyw/
https://www.facebook.com/demakijazfestiwal/
https://www.facebook.com/InicjatywaPracownicza/

they have up to 35k followers, and the representatives of these groups are involved in our meeting"
11,63491,2019-11-08T12:33:10.394Z,11395,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,63490,anon781457888,anon3593942245,Please add them to the spreadsheet thanks
12,63496,2019-11-08T13:17:28.647Z,11395,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,63491,anon3593942245,anon781457888,I did before posting them here
13,63498,2019-11-08T13:21:59.962Z,11395,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,63496,anon781457888,anon3593942245,Ok- when is this event being posted on those groups?
14,63500,2019-11-08T13:26:08.356Z,11395,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,63498,anon3593942245,anon781457888,"we start next week, preparing all the descriptions at the moment (NO Problem already shares it s they host us)"
15,63519,2019-11-08T15:14:04.232Z,11395,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,63500,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"These are the groups @anon2614214130 researched, but one thing she is saying is that the timelines in Serbia are such that it's better to write to them about 10 days before the event, so she's been holding up. Her and Jasen were amused at my reaction, because this goes against how i would have done it (much earlier!).
But anyway, meanwhile she got in touch with everyone interested or who was panon3589994963d on facebook - the problem is that fb banned her as soon as she kept adding people as friends etc. Another thing to learn.

-Catalyst

-Petlja

-Promos

-IT konekt

-ITC hub

-Organization

-Srbija za mlade

-Ekoblog

-Foke za veneru

-anon1097276766

-KC Gnezdo

-Kriticna masa

-Shape foundation

-Kvaka 22"
16,63758,2019-11-11T13:31:27.956Z,11395,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,63208,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"First share is there - we got an award winning short movie to screen for free, and probably a QA with the director! 

https://www.facebook.com/mojkrajtakipieknyashortfilm/posts/582383355845752"
17,63871,2019-11-12T11:36:33.331Z,11395,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,63208,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"I think it would be useful to invest a little bit in promoting it - no idea who can do it, but the lineup is ready and it's really quite impressive. We have the creme de la creme of the Polish activist scene coming over, and two very good movie screenings. How do we proceed with this? @anon2446385507 @anon781457888  

https://www.facebook.com/events/486181235313111/"
18,63894,2019-11-12T15:19:13.923Z,11395,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,63871,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Of course, we can share it from the ER page. but in light of the previous backlash we have had posting ads from the ER accounts I would advise that the safest option is for you to post daily on the event page + You/ Aska contact all the (fb) groups you researched and other media which would be favourable to an event like this + Aska shares it from her personal page + you ask the community to share the event with their networks (you can send group messages through the platform).

This is network engagement. If done right and consistently, I trust it should be and we should see the numbers rising. It's been our approach in Brussels as well for each workshop - Isabelle is doing is intensively researching and contacting people on fb groups and also mailinglists.  

If this is not enough, have you considered allocatin part of the event budget for advertising from your own accounts?"
19,63994,2019-11-13T14:55:49.598Z,11395,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,63894,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"Second share

https://www.facebook.com/cialopozytyw/posts/1412146962293210"
20,64222,2019-11-15T13:13:10.612Z,11395,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,63208,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"We have a big problem, people are super interested in the event but they cant use the platform. I explained it step by step in a post and on facebook in a dedicated post, along the regular description in the event text, and I still receive feedback they cant manage posting a story...."
21,64255,2019-11-15T14:24:23.970Z,11395,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64222,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"How do you mean they can't manage? Signup doesnt work? Or what? 

I don't know what I can say, I had suggested the registration form which we designed for the whole festival, precisely to make it easier for people because we had anticipated the usual problems! Otherwise, feel free to change strategy if you think it's needed."
22,65757,2019-11-25T19:08:24.520Z,11395,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,63208,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"By now we have multiple shares on some of the big groups for women, No Problem - they were just featured by Vogue Poland as the hottest place in town - prepared a free poster for us and printed it and placed around the area. We're also featured on their page since a while

https://www.facebook.com/noproblembracka20/posts/571126723674155"
1,62721,2019-10-31T23:46:21.924Z,11329,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,62721,anon2971899728,anon2971899728,"<image here> 
 

Październik to ogólnoświatowy Miesiąc Świadomości Raka Piersi. W mojej ocenie (kobiety 30+) rodzinnie naznaczonej tą chorobą – w ostatnim dziesięcioleciu wiele organizacji zarówno społecznych, jako i rządowych pracowało nad tym, by temat ten był obecny w przestrzeni publicznej, a wiedza o profilaktyce docierała do jak największej liczby polskich kobiet. Czy nasza wiedza o zagrożeniu się zwiększyła? – z pewnością. Czy baner z różową wstążką przypomniał o badaniu i uratował czyjeś życie? – nie wątpię, o takich historiach, co jakiś czas czytamy. Czy programy zapewniają kobietom to, co według mnie powinny, czyli dostęp do badania min. raz w roku – niestety wedle moich doświadczeń, nie.

Pierwszy raz z darmowej profilaktyki badania piersi skorzystałam 8 lat temu. Zobaczyłam plaanon3213561856, pomyślałam – to mnie może dotyczyć, chcę skorzystać. Telefon pod numer wskazany na plakacie – zajęte przez cały dzień, więc następnego dnia wyskoczyłam z pracy i udałam się osobiście. Naiwnie myślałam, że skoro udaję się do przychodni to od razu nastąpi kwalifikacja i badanie. Nie, na miejscu udało się umówić na wizytę lekarską. W dniu wizyta kolejne urwanie z pracy. Udzieliłam lekarzowi odpowiedzi na kilka pytań, które równie dobrze mogłam przedstawić przy zapisie pani pielęgniarce. Zakwalifikowałam się jako docelowy odbiorca akcji i ….. dostałam kolejny termin spotkania, tym razem już na badanie. Urlop z pracy, wyczekane badanie i koniec. Udało się, mam potwierdzenie, że jest ok &#128522; Co powiedziałam Koleżankom o akcji – fajna, ale wkurzyłam się, że wyanon1547754019ła aż trzykrotnego stawiania się w przychodni i to w godzinach pracy.

Kolejnych prób darmowego zbadania piersi nie podejmowałam. W tym roku postanowiłam wbrew wszelkim opiniom Koleżanek, które ginekologa odwiedzają tylko prywatnie („bo nie ma problemu z terminem wizyty, wykonaniem badań, bo sprzęt jest nowy” etc.) skorzystać ponownie z akcji społecznej zachęcającej do badań. Wizyta u lekarza w ramach NFZ – na pytanie o skierowanie na badanie piersi wręczył mi formularz kwalifikacji do akcji i kazał umówić się na następną wizytę za miesiąc (i przyjść z wypełnionym formularzem). Teraz nie da, bo „na ten miesiąc ma już dużo, zabiją go za wypisywanie tylu skierowań”. Na pytanie czy wówczas za miesiąc badanie wykona – nie, ale wypełni wtedy skierowanie na kolejną wizytę do właściwej osoby. Pasuję. Umawiam się na wizytę u kolejnego lekarza. Mówię mu, że nie badałam piersi od 5 lat, a w rodzinie był przypadek nowotworu. Nie reaguje wpatrzony w komputer. Po zwykłym badaniu żegna się. Pytam o skierowanie na USG piersi – ok, da. Umawiam się na USG i odwiedzam przychodnię w kolejnym terminie. Pod drzwiami słucham kolejnych historii wychodzących z gabinetu kobiet: „jak się nie zapłaci to nic dobrze nie zrobią”, „nie przyłożył się, na akord głowicą jeździ”, „podyktował pielęgniarce błędne dane, mam dwa lewe cycki”, „anon1235093333ł napisane, że ma zrobić USG piersi, a czytam na wyniku, że zrobił samych sutków” itd. Dzwonię do Siostry zapytać jak u niej. W swojej przychodni dostała skierowanie, ale na USG dostępny termin ma za…. 8 miesięcy. Dlaczego tyle, skoro ja czekałam tylko tydzień? Bo skierowanie od jednej przychodni nie honorują w innej, choć mają wcześniejsze terminy na USG. Wieczorem odpalam facebooka i widzę reklamę Różowej Wstążki – no tak, październik! Przez tydzień Kobiety działające lokalnie promują badanie. Swoją sesją fotograficzną w różowych koszulkach informują, że w sobotę będą dostępne bezpłatne badania. Informuję siostrę, dzwoni po pół h od umieszczenia informacji. Miejsc już nie ma, było tylko 40 sztuk. Rozeszły się w pół h. Na funpage’u rozczarowane komentarze od kobiet: co to za akcja, więcej czasu i pieniędzy poszło na promocję akcji niż na realizację faktycznych badań. Zgadzam się z nimi. 

Dziękujemy za lata promowania profilaktyki i zachęcania nas o dbanie o swoje piersi. Mamy tę wiedzę i chcemy się badać. Ale bezpłatne badanie to fikcja dostępna nielicznym lub tylko dla tych cierpliwych. Tyle dobrego, że kobiety wiedzą już, że warto zainwestować w prywatne badanie bez oglądania się na dostępność społecznych akcji. A co z tymi, które odmówią sobie tej inwestycji? Czy będą mieć szczęście i zmieszczą się w limicie skierowań z NFZ lub trafią wolną linię i uzyskają połączenie, by zapisać się na nieliczne badanie z akcji Miesiąca Świadomości Raka Piersi?"
1,63555,2019-11-08T19:35:10.199Z,11451,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,63555,anon3121054521,anon3121054521,"Jak widzicie swoją przyszłość w Polsce?
Ja swojej jakoś nie widzę. 
Patrząc na to wszystko co się dzieje w naszym kraju to mam ochotę uciec.
Codziennie zastanawiam sie czym zaskoczą mnie nasi wspaniali rządzący.
Politycy kupili sobie głosy  500 + i 13 emeryturą. 
Wydają nasze pieniądze na swoje zachcianki, i kościół ktory daje im elektorat.
Niszczą nasz kraj jak rak.
Czy pokolenie 30/40 latkow zastanawialo sie jaka bedzie miec emeryture? Nie? To ja was oświece nie dostaniecie emerytury no chyba ze odlozycie ją na swoim koncie.
Uciekajcie , zadbajcie o siebie i swoja rodzine. 
Pamietajcie w rodzinie siła.

     Brad"
2,64064,2019-11-14T13:21:27.320Z,11451,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,63555,anon1274458134,anon3121054521,"No cóż, ja mam tak, że w tym temacie moje przemyślenie wyglądają jak prawdziwa ""huśtawka nastrojów"". Czasem wydaje mi się, że to właśnie Europa Środkowo - Wschodnia wyjdzie obronną ręką z okresu zamętu i rozpadu dotychczasowych struktur politycznych, który jak uważam wkrótce nas czeka. Innym razem wydaje mi się, że czeka nas spektakularne bankructwo i w chwili kryzysu i zawirowań na arenie międzynarodowej nasze ""państwo z dykty"" zostanie zdmuchnięte jak domek z kart. Tak czy siak w emeryturę z ZUS nie wierzę gdzieś od dwunbastego roku życia i ta niewiara w nasz system emerytalny jest zdecydowanie większa niż jakiekolwiek rozterki natury religijnej dotyczące Boga, czy istoty dobra  zła ;)"
3,65681,2019-11-25T13:19:50.773Z,11451,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,63555,anon3593942245,anon3121054521,"No dobra, to jest ciekawy temat, którym zajmuję się też w innych okolicznościach - jako artystka pracująca z domem starości w Lublanie. Zastanawiam się, jak w ogóle wyobrażamy sobie emeryturę - jak i z kim ją spędzimy, i jak za nią zapłacimy (bo nie wierzę sama, że państwo da radę - chociaż może Niemcy tak).

Biorąc pod uwagę koszty opieki zdrowotnej chociażby, trzeba naprawdę odłożyć masę pieniędzy, żeby mieć sensowne życie - nie wiem, czy kiedykolwiek będę anon1235093333ła pracę, która mi na to pozwoli. Nie mam jeszcze pomysłu, ale rozważam inwestowanie w jakieś bezpieczne opcje w bogatym państwie, np. Finlandii, cokolwiek uda mi się zaoszczędzić, a potem pewnie kupię kawałek ziemi w jakimś kraju globalnego południa, bo tylko tam mnie będzie stać, i jakoś dam radę. 

@anon3121054521 @anon1274458134 :)"
1,65644,2019-11-25T12:10:10.573Z,11883,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,65644,anon3844948086,anon3844948086,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Wspólny dialog umożliwiłaby większa tolerancja i zrozumienie siebie nawzajem. Polska radzi sobie źle. Nie dorosła do współczesnych czasów i związanych z nimi problemów np. kryzysem klimatycznym czy kwestii związanych z uchodźcami. Jako kraj stoimy na straży wartości, które w moim odczuciu w dużym stopniu są nieaktualne. Władza wzmacnia system patriarchalny, wspiera zapędy ksenofobiczne i homofobię. Polacy czują się podzieleni, dużo grup społecznych, szczególnie zagrożonych wykluczeniem - po prostu się boi. Ja zajmuję się zawodowo marketingiem, ale aktualnie jestem bezrobotna. Poza pracą staram się być aktywnym członkiem lubelskiego życia kulturalnego. Organizuję imprezy  koncerty. Jestem wspłódpowiedzialna za cykl wydarzeń ""Grrrlz get loud"".

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Wszystkie tematy uważam za ważne i intersujące. Najbardziej czekam na spotkanie z Kayą Szulczewską, bo ruch bodypositive jest mi bardzo bliski.



**Imię lub nickname:** Weronka"
1,65669,2019-11-25T12:57:12.734Z,11887,0,6,5,2,0,0,11.2,65669,anon3441915625,anon3441915625,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Mam 62 lata. Napiszę o kobietach.

Moja babcia, urodzona na początku XX wieku nie anon1235093333ła pojęcia o antykoncepcji, urodziła 9 dzieci, zajmowała się tylko domem i wraz z dziadkiem tworzyli typową rodzinę małorolnych, niezmiernie biednych galicyjskich chłopów. Babcia z dziadkiem umieli pisać i czytać, ale bardzo słabo. Byli wierzący, prości i - jak na ówczesne wiejskie standardy - wrażliwi. Ich życie to praca, kościół, życie rodzinne i towarzyskie w zamkniętej wiejskiej społeczności. Bardzo tradycyjny model.

Moja mama była dzieckiem międzywojennym. Bywało, że nie anon1235093333ła butów ani bielizny, bieda w tamtych czasach była przeogromna w Polsce, zwłaszcza na wsi. Korzystając z dobrodziejstw powojennego socjalistycznego państwa skończyła średnią szkołę z internatem w dużym mieście i dostała nakaz pracy w stolicy. Wyjechała, zamieszkała w hotelu robotniczym, poznała tatę, urodziła mnie, potem dostali spółdzielcze mieszkanie, potem je wykupili. Zawsze była bardzo pracowita, efektywna w swoim zawodzie, niezmiernie komunianon3213561856ywna, sprawna społecznie i podporządkowana bez reszty tacie. Była zrealizowaną zawodowo niezależną materialnie kobietą, natoanon1235093333st emocjonalnie była całkowicie zależna od taty. Jej stosunek do rodziny i męża był bardzo tradycyjny. Rodzice byli niewierzący (taty decyzją). Moi rodzice byli typowymi ludźmi z awansu społecznego, którzy zmienili całkowicie styl życia, kiedy przenieśli się do anon1235093333sta. Nauczyli się też nienagannej polszczyzny.

Ja urodziłam się już po śmierci Stalina. Wychowałam się w mieście w czasach smutnego PRL-u. Miałam swój pokój, w mieszkaniu była łazienka i wszelakie dobrodziejstwa, z jakich korzystali pracujący ludzie w stolicy PRL-u, czyli pralka, telewizor, telefon. Otrzymałam wykształcenie. Bywałam/mieszkałam z rodzicami za granicą, zwiedzałam, poznawałam inne kultury. Mój tata był bardzo zaradny i nie cierpieliśmy biedy. Jako dorosła kobieta byłam bardziej niezależna niż mama, co zaowocowało samodzielnym wychowywaniem dwójki dzieci. Zrealizowałam się zawodowo, tj utrzymywałam prawie sama dzieci i stać mnie było psychicznie i materialnie na skończenie drugich studiów kiedy byłam po 50-tce. Robię to co kocham, nawet będąc na emeryturze. Jestem energiczną weganką - starszaczką. Myślę cały czas o przyszłości, pomimo, że czas szybko leci i mam świadomość jej ograniczeń. Lubię uczyć się nowych rzeczy. Uwielbiam ruch na świeżym powietrzu i gimnastykę. Bardzo o siebie dbam. Jestem agnostyczką.

Moja córka wychowana w atmosferze wolności intelektualnej i emocjonalnej jest feministyczną aktywistką, wolnomyślicielką, ateistką, antynatalistką. Jest w szczęśliwym małżeństwie. Oboje z mężem dużo pracują. Umieją o siebie zadbać – o siebie samych i o siebie nawzajem. Mieszkają w Polsce, chociaż świat stoi przed nimi otworem ze względu na pracę zięcia. 

Świat bardzo się zmienia i jednocześnie paradoksalnie jest taki sam. Mam świadomość, że te odmienne modele życia są w Polsce cały czas obecne i najważniejszą rzeczą w Polsce, moim zdaniem, pozostaje edukacja, uświadaanon1235093333nie kobietom ich praw, możliwości oraz niesienie im wsparcia. Uważam, że kobiety mogą wiele zmienić w ważnych dla społeczeństwa sprawach, bo mają wielki wpływ na swoje rodziny. 

Zmienianie świata warto zacząć się od zmieniania sytuacji i świadomości kobiet matek.
#poprebelwarszawa

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

cialopozytyw, bo dotyczy ważnych kobiecych spraw



**Imię lub nickname:** Sylwia"
1,65672,2019-11-25T12:57:53.074Z,11888,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,65672,anon2426971463,anon2426971463,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Uważam ,że w Polsce dzieje się źle. I pod względem gospodarczym i pod innymi względami. Polacy są nietolerancyjni, zapatrzeni w przeszłość i dumni nie wiadomo z czego.Może gdybyśmy popatrzyli w przyszłość a nie w kółko mnożyli teorie spiskowe i maltretowali własną historię udałoby się coś zbudować. Gdyby z hasła ""Bóg, honor,ojczyzna"" wykreślić boga i postawić na świeckie, nowoczesne państwo. Może to by coś dało? Patriotyzm powinien sie objawiać w codziennych czynnościach, a nie w sztandarach na rocznicach historycznych. Ja w Polsce czuję się źle. Jestem fizjoterapeutą i muzykiem. Jestem bardzo rodzinny i przywiązany do Roztocza, z którego pochodzę.

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Brałem udział w protestach wiązanych ze strajkiem kobiet, więc chętnie obejrzę film.



**Imię lub nickname:** Rubin"
1,65619,2019-11-25T10:52:37.554Z,11872,0,10,9,2,0,0,27.0,65619,anon2584854408,anon2584854408,"**(1) Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.**

**Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?**
Należy szukać sposobności do dialogu i tworzyć sytuacje, w których do niego dochodzi. Należy skupić się na tym, co czeka nas jako społeczeństwo, bo przyszłość w tym kontakście mamy wspólną. Potrzeba większej otwartości, bo za wszelką cenę musimy szukać wspólnych wartości.

**Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**
Wciąż odczuwamy kosekwencje okresu PRL. Dziś wartości polityków w Polsce są wciąż mgliste, mam wrażenie, że każdy prowadzi do konfliktów, nie próbując budować i odbudowywać. Ludzie coraz bardziej  zamykają na innych, konserwatywnie broniąc ideologii, które nie mają prawa bytu. Wydaje mi się, że jako społeczeństwo nie wybiegamy daleko w przyłość myślami, skupiamy się na tym, co ""tu i teraz"", zapominając o tym, że trzeba zadbać o przyszłość.

**(2) Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**
Spotkanie z Kayą Szulczewską i pokaz filmu najbardziej, ale interesują mnie właściewie wszystkie tematy."
1,61335,2019-10-14T15:57:39.033Z,11138,0,17,16,36,0,0,183.4,61335,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"### Mój Kraj taki Piękny - POPrebel Warszawa

![zdjeciewtle|690x388,75%][quote=""anon
Mój Kraj taki Piękny - POPrebel Warszawa

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* **Miejsce:**  [No Problem](https://www.facebook.com/noproblembracka20/), Bracka 20, 00-028 Warszawa
* **Czas:** 30 listopada 2019, 13:30 - 21:00 
* **Organizatorki:** @anon
* **Facylitatorki/Facylitatorzy:**

**Kaya Szulczewska** z Ciałopozytywu
**anon4110936133 Śpiewak** 
**Robert Nowak**, prawa loanon3213561856orskie
**anon714634410 Grzegorczyk**
**Joanna Bednarczyk**, Demakijaż, Kongres Kobiet
**Natalia Skoczylas**, Experimentelles Zukunftslabor

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### Jak dostać bilet na wydarzenie?

Krok po kroku:

1. Zarejestruj się na platformie:
[https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login)
2. Przejdź do anon3213561856egorii [https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/pl](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/pl) poprzez dodanie nowego tematu (Add New topic) i dołącz do dyskusji nt. sytuacji ekonomicznej, politycznej, kulturalnej, społecznej... w Polsce. Czym się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje? Dodaj też na końcu tekstu [#poprebelwarszawa]

Problem? napisz do natalia@anon

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### Co w programie?

Program dnia:

14:00 Strajk Kobiet Trwa - pokaz filmu

15:00 Spotkanie z anon714634410em Grzegorczykiem, OZZ Inicjatywa Pracownicza

16:00 Spotkanie z anon4110936133em Śpiewakiem

17:00 Kaya Szulczewska

18:00 Robert Nowak, działacz loanon3213561856orski

19:00 Mój kraj taki piękny - pokaz filmu i spotkanie z reżyserem

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Nasze spotkanie rozpoczniemy projekcją filmu *""Strajk Kobiet Trwa""* reż. Inicjatywa Pracownicza, opowiadającym o kobiecych ruchach oporu w Polsce. Film przedstawia historię pracownic poznańskich żłobków publicznych, które w 2011 r. rozpoczęły walkę z marginalizacją pracy kobiet. 

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**anon714634410 Grzegorczyk - Bilans ostatniej dekady pracy**

Związki zawodowe i świat pracy w Polsce po wielkim kryzysie 2009 r. - globalny krach finansowy sprzed 10 lat, który przerodził się w jedno z poważniejszych załamań gospodarczych na wiele sposobów zmienił nie tylko warunki w jakich pracujemy, ale także ramy polityczne kształtujące stosunki pracy. Podobnie jak w przypadku Wielkiego Kryzysu z lat 20. XX wieku, jego konsekwencje są doniosłe nie tylko w sferze stosunków pracy (gdzie na całym świecie anon1235093333ł miejsce regres pod względem poziomu płac, warunków pracy oraz ogólnej sytuacji bytowej świata pracy), ale także poprzez przeanon1235093333ny otoczenia politycznego w jakim stosunki te są organizowane. Tematem wystąpienia będzie próba nakreślenia bilansu ostatnich 10 lat dla świata pracy.

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anon714634410 Grzegorczyk (ur. 1983) - członek Ogólnopolskiego Związku Zawodowego Inicjatywa Pracownicza, redaktor naczelny Biuletynu Inicjatywa Pracownicza i członek Komisji Krajowej (w kadencji 2019-2021). Z wykształcenia socjolog. Publikował m.in. w Nowym Obywatelu i Le Monde Diplomatique - edycja polska. W działalności związkowej i publicystyce koncentruje się na tematyce ekonomicznej, kwestii elastycznych form zatrudnienia oraz związkach działalności związkowej z szerszymi walkami i ruchami społecznymi. Poza działalnością związkową działa w Kampanii Solidarności z Palestyną i należy do kolektywu organizacyjnego Anarchistycznego Festiwalu Filmowego.

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***Rządy prawa, czy rządy przez prawo? O autorytarnym liberaliźmie sądów.***

Spotkanie z [anon4110936133em Śpiewakiem](https://www.facebook.com/anon4110936133DawidSpiewak/) nt. przemocy systemu sądowego w Polsce

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anon4110936133 Śpiewak jest socjologiem, aktywistą miejskim i publicystą. Założył ruch miejski Miasto Jest Nasze i Wolne Miasto Warszawa. Jest wiceprzewodniczącym stowarzyszenia Energia Miast. Pisał felietony dla Krytyki Politycznej, Kultury Liberalnej a ostatnio we Wprost. Jest autorem książki „Ukradzione Miasto”, która ukazała kulisy wybuchu afery reprywatyzacyjnej. Za swoją walkę z deweloperami i układem reprywatyzacyjnym był wielokrotnie pozywany. W swojej działalności naukowej i publicznej koncentruje się na tematach związanych z kryzysem demokracji liberalnej, przeanon1235093333nami zachodzącymi w światowej gospodarce, nierównościami społecznymi, globalnym ociepleniem i ochroną środowiska. Ma psa Felka.

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O godzinie 17:00 zapraszam na wykład i debatę o sytuacji kobiet w Polsce. Jako osoba na co dzień zajmująca się tematyką ciała i feminizmu w social mediach, będę chciała zdradzić Wam rąbek tajemnicy i opowiedzieć o tym jakie wiadomości dostaję, jakie historie opowiadają mi moje obserwujące i jaki ma to związek sytuacją prawną kobiet w Polsce. Potraktuję ciało jako punkt wyjścia do przedstawienia ważnych zagadnień związanych z równością i emancypacją. Czy jesteśmy wolne? Co stoi na przeszkodzie do uzyskania równości?  Dlaczego cialopozytywność jest feministyczna i dlaczego musi poruszać trudne tematy? Mam nadzieję, że uda mi się omówić najważniejsze kwestie dotyczące kobiecego ciała we współczesnej Polsce i zachęcić Was do solidarnej walki o wspólną sprawę. 

**Kaya Szulczewska** - twórczyni internetowa, feministka, działaczka społeczna. Założycielka profilu Ciałopozytyw - inicjatywy promującej pozytywne podejście do ciała, gdzie m.in. uczy na temat samoakceptacji oraz walczy z dyskryminacją ze względu na płeć, wygląd, orientację, zdrowie czy sprawność (etc). Powadzi też działania w tematyce praw kobiet, profilaktyki zdrowia, seksedukacji i psychoedukacji.

Prywatnie weganka, żona, psia mama.

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**Robert Nowak, działacz loanon3213561856orski**

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Polityka mieszkaniowa w Polsce jest wielka porażką III RP. Zaanon1235093333st taniego budownictwa, mamy wolny rynek. Mieszkania zaanon1235093333st zaspokajać podstawowe potrzeby ludzi, stają się źródłem zysku. Powstałe zasoby lokakowe jakie powstały w latach 1945-1989 doprowadza się celowo do ruiny przez władze samorządowe lub w lepszym stanie prywatyzuje.

Robert Nowak ur. 1980, działacz loanon3213561856orski, aktywista. Współautor książki ""Wszystkich nas nie spalicie"" (2016), gdzie wraz z Piotrem Ciszewskim opisał proces niesprawiedliwej dla loanon3213561856orów reprywatyzacji. Autor książk ""Powstanie z ruin. Historia odbudowy Warszawy w latach 1945-1956"" (2019) prezentującej odbudowę Warszawy od strony społecznej.

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**Pokaz filmu** ""[Mój kraj taki piękny](https://www.facebook.com/mojkrajtakipieknyashortfilm)"" **Grzegorza Paprzyckiego** i rozmowa z reżyserem na koniec dnia. 

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**Kącik Consent 101**

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Spotkanie w temacie consent. 

**Natalia Skoczylas** - jedna ze starych wyjadaczek edgeryders. Organizatorka wydarzeń, managerka projektów, dziennikarka muzyczna, artystka i kuratorka, trochę riserczerka, nomadka, która cześćiowo osiadła w Berlinie. Politilożka i aktywistka, crossfitterka i poliamorystka. 


Wydarzenie jest częścią międzynarodowego wydarzenia [Festival of Consent - International Day of Consent](http://consentculture.co.uk/)

### Jak dostać bilet na to wydarzenie?

To wydarzenie jest częścią szerszej dyskusji i badań na temat rosnącego populizmu w Europie i próbą analizy sytuacji politycznej, społecznej i ekomnomicznej w krajach Europy Środkowej i Wschodniej. Chcemy podczas tego spotkania stworzyć platformę wyanon1235093333ny poglądów, ponad podziałami, w ramach której możemy wymienić się poglądami i opiniami na temat Polski - tej, w której żyjemy, i w której chcemy żyć. Jeśli będzie zainteresowanie, chcemy też stworzyć nowe grupy robocze i zasilić istniejących aktywistów pomysłami, wiedzą i kontaktami. To spotkanie budowane jest dla was i zapraszamy was serdecznie do zgłaszania życzeń i oczekiwań. 

A bilet nie jest płatny - wymieniamy go za post, o tym, co was interesuje, co was gryzie, co chcecie zmienić albo z czego się cieszycie. Zapraszamy was do [założenia konta](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login) i [wrzucenia wpisu](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/pl) - naciśnij +Add New Topic. Dodaj na końcu posta #poprebelwarszawa - wtedy będziemy wiedzieli, o co chodzi :) 

Brakuje Ci inspiracji? Możesz też skomentować istniejącą wypowiedź. Jeśli znajdziesz na platformie coś ciekawego, lub kontrowersyjnego, z czym się zgadzasz, na czym się znasz, lub z czym nie możesz żyć - to też wartościowa wypowiedź. 

### Jak organizujemy to wydarzenie? 

To wydarzenie jest częścią festiwalu organizowanego przez edgeryders, który budujemy podczas spotkań online. Przeznaczyliśmy na niego środki i w duchu solidarności rozdajemy je członkom społeczności, nowym i starym. 

Koordynatorkami tego wydarzenia są @anon1812918160 i @anon

### Kto finansuje ten projekt?

Projekt jest realizowany w ramach europejskiego grantu badawczego Horizon 2020 - numer grantu: 822682.

EN: This project has received funding from the European Union’s Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme under grant agreement No 822682.

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![Eu emblem|150x100](https://ngi.edgeryders.eu/assets/images/eu-emblem.png)

### Czy mój udział oznacza, że zgadzam się z poglądami organizatorów?

Nie, Twój udział poanon1547754019 nam w przeprowadzeniu badań nt. sytuacji politycznej w Polsce. Naszym celem jest zebranie różnych światopoglądów i opinii, dzięki którym możemy lepiej zrozumieć kontekst polskiej polityki: sytuację ekonomiczną, dobrobyt obywateli, poglądy polityczne, politykę społeczną, dostęp do pracy, opiekę zdrowotną, kulturę, edukację...  Im więcej zróżnicowanych głosów, tym bardziej trafna będzie nasza analiza i wyniki tych badań. 

Rezultaty badań zostaną zaprezentowane na końcu projektu w postaci raportu, który przeczytać można będzie także na tej platformie. Zapraszamy was też [tutaj](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/workspace) do zapoznania się z metodologią i technologią, opartą na otwartej licencji, których używamy do prowadzenia tych badań. 

### Kodeks postępowania

Twoje bezpieczeństwo i wygoda są dla nas ważne - jeśli masz jakieś obawy, albo specjalne życzenia, zostaw komentarz lub napisz email do [natalia@anon

Celem platformy Edgeryders, zarówno naszych projektów, jak i technologii, a przede wszystkim społeczności, jest budowanie lepszego świata.  Znaczenie słowa ""lepszy"" można interpretować na wiele sposobów - dlatego staramy się stwarzać przyjazną, otwartą przestrzeń dla szerokiego wachlarza tych pomysłów i wizji. Przygotowaliśmy też dla was [netykietę](https://edgeryders.eu/t/netiquette/45), w której tłumaczymy, co to znaczy być częścią naszej społeczności. Pamiętaj, że jako użytkownik platformy podlegasz zasadom społeczności i warunkom opisanym [tutaj](https://edgeryders.eu/t/id/44).

### Co się dzieje z moimi danymi na platformie?

Jako partnerzy projektu europejskiego, przestrzegamy w tej kwestii europejskiego prawa i zgodnie z nim chronimy wasze dane. Polecamy zapoznać się z [warunkami](https://edgeryders.eu/t/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy/44), oraz z rozwiązaniami prawnymi:

* [Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 April 2016 on the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data, and repealing Directive 95/46/EC (General Data Protection Regulation) (Text with EEA relevance)](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2016.119.01.0001.01.ENG&amp;toc=OJ:L:2016:119:TOC)
* [Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31995L0046)
* [Handbook on European Data Protection directive](http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Handbook_data_protection_ENG.pdf)
* [European Commission website - Protection of personal data](http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/)
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4,65613,2019-11-25T10:27:35.569Z,11138,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,61335,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej hej polscy POPrebelsi!

Jeśli nie widzieliście jeszcze, to robimy w sobotę takie oto wydarzenie - i byłoby wspaniale zobaczyć niektórych z was na miejscu - mamy cudowne jedzenie w programie, dobre filmy, dyskusje i prezentacje. Zaproscie rodziny i znajomych :) 

https://www.facebook.com/events/486181235313111/

@anon616153527 @anon1430716239 @anon"
1,65435,2019-11-23T15:14:35.090Z,11805,0,12,11,3,0,0,17.4,65435,anon1929406342,anon1929406342,"**Please mention the name / topic of the event you want to participate in, and the city or town where it is happening.**

anon3218287029 Vojinovic Volela bi da ucestvujem u projektima koji ukljucuju umetnosti kao sto su slikanje crtanje fotografiju u bilo kom mestu. 

**Work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again? Which would you want to start doing/do more of?**

Idem u srednju umetnicku skolu. Slobodno vreme volim da provodim sa prijateljima u druzenju izlascima igranju  drustvenih igrara.Pomazem napustenim zivotinjama. Imam strast prema tetovazama i ucim za tatoo majstora. Iako idem u skolu za digitalnu umetnost ne vidim sebe u tome.

**What is an a question or desire that drives you or your work? How did you get started and what hurdles have you met along the way? Which doubts do you have about the work you are doing and the path forward? What kind of support would you like to offer others traveling a similar path?<br/><br/>By sharing your story below you enable others to connect you with people, conversations, opportunities relevant to your personal and professional development:**

Volim da slusam druge ljude to me inspirise. Kod tetovaza volim to sto traju zauvek.

**Great, now that you've made it easier for us to introduce you to the others – start to think about the topic and purpose of the event itself. Why do you want to participate in it? How do you feel the topic touches your work or life at the moment / in the future?**

Ova vrsta susreta me inspirise da se vise trudim u u ono sto tradim i da moj rad vise odrazava mene.



**name:** anon3218287029"
2,65436,2019-11-23T15:17:54.665Z,11805,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,65435,anon2446385507,anon1929406342,@anon3218287029 sada možete uređivati svoj post!
3,65481,2019-11-23T22:08:20.000Z,11805,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,65436,anon3218287029,anon2446385507,"Hello anon2649858692mi,

you sent this to wrong anon3218287029 :)"
4,65609,2019-11-25T10:11:03.138Z,11805,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,65481,anon2446385507,anon3218287029,"Sorry! 
@anon1929406342 it is then!"
1,65553,2019-11-24T19:14:15.988Z,11859,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,65553,anon1253999246,anon1253999246,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Polska musi się mierzyć z rolą państwa peryferyjnego. Od początku przeanon1235093333n po 1989 roku kraj stanowił rezerwuar taniej siły roboczej dla korporacji. Likwidacja miejsc pracy, prywatyzacja, brak polityki mieszkaniowej ze strony państwa przez lata 90-te zaowocował masową emigracją zarobkowo i bytową do państw Unii Europejskich, tworzących ją przed 1 maja 2004 roku. Coraz większe rozwarstwienie społeczne oraz regionalne przyczyniło się do wzrostu nacjonalizmu w społeczeństwie. Starzejące się ludność nie może liczyć na pomoc ze strony władz samorządowych oraz instytucji pomocowych. Upada coraz więcej szpitali, wiele oddziałów jest zamykanych. Mimo planowanego wyjścia Wielkiej Brytanii z Unii, wielu Polaków nie chce wracać, a młodzi myślą o wyjeździe. 

Jestem działaczem loanon3213561856orskim, działam w Warszawskim Stowarzyszeniu Loanon3213561856orów im. Jolanty Brzeskiej, jestem aktywistą i zajmuję się mieszkalnictwem, warunkami bytowymi oraz bezdomnością. Moim hobby jest transport publiczny, a szczególnie transport szynowy – kolej.      

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Mieszkalnictwo ponieważ brak dachu nad głową jest powodem bezdomności, co za tym idzie wykluczenia społecznego. Brak polityki wsparcia taniego budownictwa zmusza ludzi do brania kredytów hipotecznych. Potem spłacając go latami stają się niewolnikami banku. Tym samym wkładają sobie pętle na szyję. Prywatyzacja lub reprywatyzacja zasobu komunalnego lub spółdzielczego doprowadza do przeludnienia dużych anon1235093333st przy widocznym procesie wyludniania mniejszych.  



**Imię lub nickname:** Robert"
1,57776,2019-08-09T06:38:18.795Z,10515,0,8,7,5,0,0,26.6,57776,anon3702058013,anon3702058013,"<image here> 
 

Urodziłam się w M. (przyp.: 64 l.). Jestem na emeryturze. Skończyłam podstawówkę Salezjan. Potem przeprowadziliśmy się do innej dzielnicy w 1969 r. Później była zasadnicza szkoła dziewiarska i technikum dziewiarskie. Po szkole pracowałam jako dziewiarz. Urodziłam córkę. 10 lat nie pracowałam. Zaczęłam znowu pracować w 1986 roku w sklepie samopomocy chłopskiej przez 12 lat, a potem w drugim sklepie - 22 lata. Był taki okres, że anon1235093333łam bardzo wysokie ciśnienia, że przeszłam na rentę na 3 lata. Wtedy zmieniłam pracę na drugi sklep, bo to był wtedy zakład pracy chronionej. Chciałam być na produkcji, ale wzięli mnie na siłę do sklepu. Wydawało mi się, że na produkcji będę anon1235093333ła spokojną głowę. Zrobię i idzie człowiek do domu, nie myśli. W sklepie to tak różnie. Mam niepełnosprawność lekką. Akurat brakowało im pracowników w sklepie. Był 8 godzinny czas pracy. Z początku soboty był pracujące. Płacili więcej za nie. Mogłam nie pracować w soboty. Była osoba na zanon1235093333nę. W samopomocy było różnie. Brakowało pieniędzy to obcinali nam wynagrodzenie do 70% przez 2 miesiące. Oczywiście za naszą zgodą. To była spółdzielnia, więc mieliśmy głos w tej sprawie. Złożyłam deklarację członkowską, ale jak odchodziłam nie było pieniędzy do podziału. To działa do tej pory. Jako członkowie mieliśmy prawo głosu i decyzji. Odbywały się walne zebrania raz w roku. Np.: dawaliśmy prawo takie, że prezes zostaje, jak spółdzielnia ma funkcjonować, co możemy zmienić. Sami ustalaliśmy, że - jak dużo pracownić szło na macierzyński i wracały - zmniejszamy odprawy, zatrudniamy pracowników na ich miejsce i na jaki okres. W spółdzielni było ok. 50 osób. Na zebraniu byli wszyscy. Drugi sklep też był spółdzielnią pracy, jak tam przeszłam. Byli tam udziałowcy z dużymi udziałami w firmie. Dobre pieniądze za to wzięli tak, że mieszkania sobie za to pokupowali. Kiedy tam przeszłam już nie przyjmowali w poczet członków. Prezes, odchodząc na emeryturę, sprzedał to. Spółdzielnia została sprywatyzowana w 2013/2014 roku. Tam było ok. 1 200 osób, z czego połowa to udziałowcy. Mieli co roku dywidendy od zysku. Były też dla pracowników na początku. Nam troszkę skapnęło, a potem już nie. Jako pracownice anon1235093333łyśmy udział w zysku, jakiś tam procent. Potem się to urwało. Nie widzę różnicy dla siebie po 1989 r. Zarobki zawsze najniższe prawie. Tyle że w sklepach mogłam kupić co się chciało. Nic się nie zmieniło ani z mieszkaniem ani z niczym. Tyle tylko, że wyjeżdżać można było. Człowiek się wolniejszy zrobił. Nie podpisywał, że musi iść 1-go maja na pochód. Wynagrodzenie nigdy nie wystarczało na życie. Zawsze był z tym problem. Tym bardziej, że sama córkę wychowywałam. Rozeszłam się z mężem, jak córka anon1235093333ła 10 lat. Rodzice jeszcze byli to mnie troszkę wsparli. Mieszkałyśmy z córką w tej samej kamienicy co zaraz po ślubie z mężem. Z przychodów nie więcej niż 1/4 szła na czynsz, ale co miesiąc trzeba było myśleć skąd wziąć. Tam taki gospodarz był co nie zdzierał. Starałam się cały czas o mieszkanie komunalne. Za dużo było pieniędzy, żeby je dostać, a za mało, żeby kredyt wziąć. Teraz się mieszczę, bo podnieśli kryterium dochodowe, ale emeryturę cały czas o parę groszy podnoszą i wraz to dochodzi do tego momentu. Teraz mam 1 570 zł netto emerytury, a czynsz wynosi 260 zł, wydaję ok. 100 zł na leki. 

Na lekarza się czeka, żeby darmo było. Nie chodzę prywatnie. Na prześwietlenie żył szyjnych czekałam pół roku aż zapomniałam o tym. Miały zadzwonić z terminem, jak lekarz będzie. Zadzwoniły, ale nie dostałam się, bo anon1235093333łam być na 13:00, o 12:15 już byłam pod przychodnią, ale zadzwoniły, że przykro im, ale żebym nie jechała, bo lekarz już wyszedł.  Na następną wizytę czekałam ok. 3 tygodni, ale akurat mnie nie było i nie poszłam. To było w ubiegłym roku. Lekarze przyjdą aby odbębnić, aby szybciej, aby szybciej... Najlepiej jak się przychodzi tylko leki przedłużyć i się wychodzi. Jak rozmawiam, że po lekach się gorzej czuję, to mówi: nie, to nie po lekach. Jak nie po lekach, jak spróbowałam miesiąc nie brać i było całkiem inaczej. Nie zmienili mi leków, chociaż w opisach jest, że sporo osób ma takie dolegliwości. Mam problemy z krążeniem i układem oddechowym. Jak wchodzę pod górę, mam zadyszkę, ale badania wysiłkowe dobrze mi wyszły. To jest śmieszne, ale w końcu człowiekowi nie chce się iść do tego lekarza. 

Córka uczyła się w liceum gastronomicznym. Na początku anon1235093333ła kontakt z ojcem, a potem już nie. To był alkoholik. Wstydziła się. Chodziła też do szkół policealnych. Zrobiła sobie studium księgowości i w tym zawodzie pracuje. Była ze mną prawie do 2010 r. Urodziła córkę i przeprowadziła się do swojego męża. Teściowa jej pomogła i kupili sobie mieszkanie. Mieszkałyśmy w jednym pokoju 17 m. kw. Jak córka robiła prawo jazdy i instruktor chciał ją podwieźć pod dom, umawiała się z nim ulicę dalej koło parku. Do tej pory jej zostało, że gorsza jest. Potem właścicielka pozwoliła nam na górze sobie zrobić, jeśli chcemy. Wyremontowałam mieszkanie piętro wyżej i musiałam zostawić zaraz. Córka dwa lata była w Anglii. Chciałam, żeby po powrocie mieszkała sama, ale pomieszkała tam tylko ze trzy lata. 

Tak żyłam. Pracowałam, jeździłam do wnuczki, a potem do mamy, bo trzeba było poanon1547754019ć. Miałam działkę pracowniczą. Jak zrobili wiadukt, spowodował że woda stała na działkach. Teraz pojadę do siostry, do brata na działkę, bardzo często do wnuczki – odporowadzam, przyprowadzam. Teraz jak młodzi cały dzień nie pracują, to na czynsz nie mają. Muszą sobie dodatkowe prace brać. W TBS (przyp.: Towarzystwo Budownictwa Społecznego) są. Teraz mają ok. 1 100 zł czynszu za 67 m kw. 

Wierząca jestem, ale mało praktykująca. Modlę się w domu czasami. Jak tak słyszę o aferze pedofilskiej w kościele, to mnie ponosi zaraz. Jak sobie przemyślę, to tak samo i artyści i te grupy... to tak samo tam jest przecież. Człowiek ma takie zaufanie że ksiądz to jest ksiądz; powinien być zaufany, to spowiednik. A nie ma już tego zaufania. Tyle lat rodzice prowadzali do kościoła, czasem trzeba było wyganiać. Czasami człowiek musi wierzyć, bo nie ma kto pomóc. Pamiętam jak córka była bardzo chora... poszłam i się pomodliłam. Jak wróciłam mama mówi: dziecko ona pół butelki zjadła. A od tygodnia prawie nic nie jadła. Uwierzyłam, że to przez modlitwę. Jestem w takim środowisku, że jedni chodzą do kościoła, inni nie. W rodzinie tak samo. 

O polityce się u nas w rodzinie rozmawia. Czasami kłótliwie. Nas jest siedmioro. Jak się spotkamy, to się kłócimy. My też jesteśmy podzieleni. Jak się popatrzy, wszyscy robią tak samo i człowiek ma tak samo. Nic się nie zmienia, a partie się zmieniają. Kłócimy się: jedni o PIS, drudzy o PO, teraz to znowu o inne partie. Tak jak zaczniemy, to potem już nie wiadomo od czego się zaczęło. Jeden brat mówił, że poszedłby do polityki, ale nie. On by się nadawał. Pracuje w funduszach unijnych. Poanon1547754019ją zdobyć zakładom jak najwięcej. U nas to się tak zmienia z wyborów na wybory. Głosuję, może niepotrzebnie nawet... Bo jak człowiek zagłosuje na PIS to nic nie będzie anon1235093333ł, i jak na PO to też nic nie będzie anon1235093333ł. Nowoczesna mnie denerwuje, bo oni tak chcą tylko się wylansować i trafić na lepsze stołki. Im chyba o to tylko chodzi. Nie wiem czy to nie wszystkim o to chodzi. Kukiz' 15 mi się podoba, bo logicznie mówią i nie rwą tych pieniędzy, tej władzy i mi się wydaje, że są tacy przekonujący. Nie, żeby dać, tylko pomóc, pozmieniać te przepisy, żeby nie można było robić tak jak robią do tej pory niektórzy: i ze szkołą, i z lekarzem, z nauczycielami. Głosowałam raz na Platformę, raz na PIS, jak mnie Platforma zdenerwowała. Nie jestem politykiem, żeby rozumieć co oni kombinują. Zrobi tak, a potem powie, że zrobił inaczej.   Bezczelnie mówi, że białe jest czarne. Chciałabym, żeby mieszkania były dla młodych, bo to tragedia nie mieć mieszkania; większe pobory, żeby mogli zrównać dzieci w tych szkołach, bo jedni zarabiają nie wiadomo ile... 

Wnuczka jest w 3 klasie. Zanon1235093333na w edukacji nie bardzo mnie dotyczy. Ona się bardzo dobrze uczy, ale za dużo jest tego wszystkiego: ciężkie plecaki, dużo zajęć i lekcji w domu. Nie ma czasu na rozwijanie swoich zainteresowań. Jak zacznie malować, to nie odrobi lekcji. Tak jak posłuchać, że dzieci na zachodzie nie noszą książek, mają różne koła zainteresowań, dzieci mogą wybierać, a tu jak nie opłaci człowiek, to dziecko nie idzie. A tu opłacać trzeba jedno, drugie, trzecie, obiady w szkołach... Ile tych pieniędzy trzeba miesięcznie mieć tylko na to? Edukacja jest droga, żeby dzieci podgonić do inych, żeby nie było takich różnic. Wnuczka chodzi na angielski prywatnie i teraz sama chce na drugi – włoski. Za sam angielski płacą 180 zl miesięcznie – lekcje są dwa razy w tygodniu po dwie godziny. 

Bałagan w Polsce mnie denerwuje najbardziej. Oglądam TVN, TVP info czasami, czytam na facebooku informacje. Człowiek nic nie wie, nie jest pewny, nikomu nie może uwierzyć. Nie wiadomo za kim być, kto lepiej by to wszystko zrobił. Wszyscy chcą zrobić dobrze, każdy mówi to samo, tylko jak dojdzie do władzy... Była niepewność i jest. Za Wałęsą każdy kiedyś głosował, a teraz w życiu nie zagłosowałabym na Wałęsę. Oszukał. Dopchał się do władzy, głupoty mówi i tyle. Głupoty robił. Nie wiem czy on sam to wymyślił. Nie wierzę. Elektryk zwykły nie potrafi rządzić państwem. Miał doradców i rządzili za niego. Władza ma duże poparcie w kościołach. Z tymże młodzi też są za PISem, bo trochę może i dostali, a każdemu brakuje. 500 plus – tak jak i Kukiz mówi - powinno być dla tych, co naprawdę potrzebują. Niektórzy dobrze je wydają, a niektórzy aby czekają. a dzieci jak nie anon1235093333ły tak nie mają. U nas jest za mało to sprawdzane. Idą duże pieniądze, a pomoc jest niewielka. Chociaż to też mnie denerwuje, tak jak to chyba Młynarska powiedziała: nad morzem się rozłożyło 500 plus – patologia. To tak też nie można mówić. Pojechali, bo w końcu może ich było na to stać. Nie można wszystkich jedną anon1235093333rą mierzyć. Córka nie dostawała na jedno dziecko, a teraz ma dostać i od razu mówi, że korepetycje z matematyki 300 zł kosztują. Przyda jej się. Nie wiem czy to dużo czy mało. Żywność teraz tak podrożała. Już sama nie wiem na kogo zagłosować, żeby było lepiej. Młodych szkoda. Mówiłam: jedźcie za granicę, bo chyba tu nic się nie zmieni. 

Z mieszkaniem jest problem odkąd przyszedł nowy właściciel. Nie wiem jakie to prawo, ale cały czas z tym szedł, że może tak zrobić. Mówiłam mu: pan wie kto tu mieszka, pan chce nas wszystkich chyba powyrzucać, bo nikogo nie będzie stać, żeby tyle czynszu płacić. Ale on po to kupił; nie stać, to proszę się wyprowadzić. Tyle było rozmowy z nim. To była okropna sytuacja. Przeszłam na emeryturę i w takim wieku zostaję bez mieszkania. To jest tragedia. Tyle lat mieszkało się tam. Chciałam zmienić mieszkanie na komunalne, bo na wynajem mnie nie stać. Nie odłożyłam tyle, żeby było mnie stać na wynajem. Nawet byłam kiedyś w kolejce na TBS. Jak prezes wziął mnie na rozmowę i zapytał czy mnie będzie stać na czynsz. Jak posłuchałam, przmyślałam ile to wszystko będzie kosztowało, zrezygnowałam. Pierwszy raz składałam podanie o mieszkanie komunalne w latach 80tych, a potem i córka pisała, i nie szło w żaden sposób. Nie mieściłam się w kryteriach, bo przekraczałam o parę groszy. Po 35 latach pracy mam 1 570 zł emerytury. Co to jest? Żadnych urlopów macierzyńskich, żadnych zwolnień przez 22 lata. Największym problemem jest dla mnie teraz brak mieszkania. Od roku mieszkam w mieszkaniu chronionym w domu opieki dla osób starszych tymczasowo, ale ja tu nie mieszkam. Wegetuję z dnia na dzień. Miałam wybór mieszkać z osobą psychicznie chorą albo tu. Jestem tu dopóki nie dostanę mieszkania. Tu nie ma kuchenki ani nic. Nie mogę upiec w piekarniku. Smażone nie zawsze mogę jeść. Nie mogę się tu odnaleźć, bo mi się wydaje, że ja jeszcze nie powinnam tu mieszkać. Mały mam kontakt z ludźmi, co tu są, ale z tymi co mam,  jest bardzo dobry. Człowiek się psychicznie wykańcza. Chciałoby się, żeby córka przyszła czy wnuczka, żeby ją zabrać na dzień albo na weekend. Przestałam wierzyć w to, że coś może się zmienić, że zagłosuję i to ma wpływ na cokolwiek. Kiedyś w zakładach pracy mogli się zebrać i pójść za sobą, a teraz każdy boi się o pracę. Niemożliwe to jest, żeby ludzie się teraz zjednoczyli. Każdy pilnuje swojego ogródka, pilnuje przed drugim, żeby nie widział co u niego. Jakieś takie czasy... Ja już jestem za stara, żeby to zrozumieć, a tym bardziej zaakceptować. Młodzi najlepiej wiedzą, co trzeba zrobić. Za nimi trzeba być i wspierać ich. Chyba uczciwość ludzi mogłaby to zmienić. Zwłaszcza tych, co nami rządzą. I poskarżyć się nie ma komu i o pomoc nie do kogo się zwrócić. Każdy obiecuje, że będzie dobrze, a jak przyjdzie co do czego..."
1,65433,2019-11-23T15:14:11.807Z,11804,0,11,10,3,0,0,17.2,65433,anon2253786610,anon2253786610,"**Please mention the name / topic of the event you want to participate in, and the city or town where it is happening.**

Well being in Serbia, Edgeryders Radionica in Belgrade

**Work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again? Which would you want to start doing/do more of?**

I work as an animator but i would like to expand my knowledge and skills. Also to do more animations with meaningful topics & stories said, something that contribute more to the community(tribe). I would like to learn something that it's not directly connected with my profession. 
I would like to travel more and gain new experiences.

**What is an a question or desire that drives you or your work? How did you get started and what hurdles have you met along the way? Which doubts do you have about the work you are doing and the path forward? What kind of support would you like to offer others traveling a similar path?<br/><br/>By sharing your story below you enable others to connect you with people, conversations, opportunities relevant to your personal and professional development:**

I feel like I have lack of motivation from the environment and people.I would like that exists some kind of school or workshops that would be concentrated on animation and how to survive in creative business. Also to get to know people that are willing to share their knowledge and experience. 

**Great, now that you've made it easier for us to introduce you to the others – start to think about the topic and purpose of the event itself. Why do you want to participate in it? How do you feel the topic touches your work or life at the moment / in the future?**

Would say that purpose of the event is educative and also to connect people. It affects me and my life in a sense that i will sing on my way back home: Tira-tata-tata-tira-tata!!



**name:** Rajko"
2,65438,2019-11-23T15:21:04.823Z,11804,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,65433,anon2446385507,anon2253786610,@anon2253786610  sada možete uređivati svoj post: promeniti naslov i dodati sve odgovore. @anon2614214130 će prevesti pitanja tako da će sve biti na srpskom. Hvala Vam mnogo!
1,50139,2019-01-18T10:30:31.124Z,9369,0,58,57,69,0,0,538.6,50139,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<img src=""https://edgeryders.eu/uploads/default/original/2X/d/d5664f881b6f5f2a7d1ecd95b92e617d96025654.jpg"" width=""690"" height=""388"">
_Unicorns!! Image credit: a facebook group (to be id)_

Hi! Every time at Edgeryders we start a new project or build a new community I am digging into my life story from a new angle. I am anon2649858692mi, a longtime member and co-founder of Edgeryders back in the days. I will keep this version short: at 30 I walked straight into a personal life crisis and found myself in a systematic process of understanding where I come from.

**I relocated to Brussels two years ago, and for the longest time I had been adamant about staying and possibly working in my own country. I was one of the last “Romanian patriots”,** @anon2867672406 used to joke. Member of the struggling middle class and living in one of the most developed cities, I and many of my peers built ourselves fairly good lives and many of them are successfully living in more traditional values - marriage, job, house, and bank loans by the time we are 30. All could be well, nothing against traditional culture. 

But I found myself having to re-think everything due to the erosion in society that I saw happening. Erosion compared to what it should be, living in the 21st century. Of course, Romania has seen worst in communist times, yet for some of us values like freedom, equality are non-negotiable and a one way street, as well as playing catch-up with the West. Still, every day media and forums go crazy about yet another political threat to democracy and human rights; every day we are confronted with other bubbles - mainstream and generalised - of hyper conservative values (i.e. “filthy Roma people do not deserve housing”). 
The surprise for me was when sometimes, these statements came from places I least expected, friends of friends who let it slip that their true opinions are the opposite of inclusive progress and a shared future. It is shocking because in Romania we've been used to politicians swinging it since forever (we called it ""politicianism""), but new flavours in the past ten years or so are going left and right. Populism captures many souls looking for quick solutions and intellectual shortcuts. When people you know who are the new generation become conservative, you realise that politics is down in your house now. So I felt that my living was contrived: I was friends with people whom maybe today I would not choose.

On the positive side, I rejoiced having escaped conservatism due to good upbringing. (self-)Discipline and progressive family values (thanks mom and dad!) make one want to open horizons and look beyond the scarce value offer nationally: unfortunately it often entails getting out.

Getting out is generalized and massive: in the early nineties people were flooding out for the “western mirage” in search of better lives. 3.4 millions left in just the last 10 years, and currently around 5 million live abroad, from a population of 22 million. That's a lot. 400 000 live only in the UK and are now facing risks of being pushed away by politics gone wrong.

I didn't leave out of cynicism or lack of hope, to be honest. Still, I can't help but wonder: the way out is sometimes mentally healthier than staying. The fight remains though, but you do it from a ""sunnier"" place. Uhm, yes, Brussels."
2,57876,2019-08-12T16:38:02.933Z,9369,1,37,36,1,0,0,62.4,50139,anon750699873,anon2446385507,"OMG, I see some similarities here to my story. Populist party, politics reaching our daily life, middle ;) age crisis at 30, feeling of choking inside the ""happy bubble"" that supposed to protect you. My bubble are friends, local politicians from opposite party, activists. They bring hope sometimes. But still. In my case staying in country in which you feel ""outsider"" and you are litterally called ""thread to healthy nation"" - hmm, seems a little masochistic. But - deciding to start from the beginning in another country seems just as scary. How did it happen to you? When did you decide to leave and what was your ""pull factor""?"
3,57899,2019-08-13T10:21:59.287Z,9369,2,33,32,1,0,0,51.6,57876,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"Haha, so well put! Choking inside the 'happy bubble' is exactly what I was feeling, 
Thank you @anon750699873, I'm so impressed by your read. You should be a community manager, great work supporting another to synthetise exactly what they mean and reinforce it :stuck_out_tongue:

I am a bit of a masochist in general. But this is not just about me and my country - the reasons to stay for a long time were because my family and close support system were very warm, I had a loving partner there. And my friends are good friends, it's just that a clash of values is not something to ignore - even if you dont discuss politics, you may want to travel differently, eat and consume differently, and so it spills into all areas of social life. You can't ignore it. Also, the situation of Romania is different than Poland - it's a pro-Europe, pro-democracy country nonetheless, and it feels stable that way. But with so much room for improvement of course.  So I didn't leave running, not at all.

The pull factor, to be honest, was the mental transition as I was nearing 30. I want to blog about it more, since these last 2 years were a tranformation. Maybe these days. It would go filed under 'psychological wellbeing' I believe."
4,57904,2019-08-13T11:48:00.795Z,9369,1,31,30,1,0,0,46.2,57899,anon750699873,anon2446385507,"""psychological wellbeing"" brought me to do volunteering abroad when I was living in Germany for one year also around 30 (is this year magical in a way or what? :P) . I thought that being away from love-hate relationship with own country would help to get solutions for own future. Didn't work in my case because i had terrible job there and was bored most of time sitting in the library which literally NO ONE was visiting, trying to work on phD thesis, feeling stucked in the middle. Seems like not only moving-away but also have meaningfull job could be that factor, no? What you are doing in Brussels?"
5,57922,2019-08-13T13:12:53.387Z,9369,0,33,32,1,0,0,56.6,57904,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"Yes, funny that you ask: my meaningful work is with edgeryders. I'm part of the core team of co-founders, so this has been a baby since 8 years. I got into it right after my studies, not wanting to go into PhD..  And now this is what I'm doing in Brussels, and what has become also personal life, more than a job:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-future-of-urban-living-is-green-looking-for-skilled-partnership-builder-for-the-reef-in-brussels/10449

You should come visit! And also, I hope we can meet at least virtually. @anon"
6,57952,2019-08-14T12:18:50.768Z,9369,1,32,31,1,1,0,91.4,57899,anon2867672406,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:3, topic:9369""]
my friends are good friends, it’s just that a clash of values is not something to ignore - even if you dont discuss politics, you may want to travel differently, eat and consume differently, and so it spills into all areas of social life. You can’t ignore it.
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I have never even been to Romania (bad, I know...), but I can relate to this. I left Italy for the second time about ten years ago, and my environment of origin is now quite at odds with me. It was always like that, but things seem to have radicalized. Or maybe it's just perception: those guys are on Facebook, and I see them posting pretty bad stuff about migrants and climate, alongside normal or even nice stuff about going trekking. Maybe if I left Facebook I would not feel so out of place in Italy."
7,58072,2019-08-16T16:05:13.765Z,9369,2,27,26,1,0,0,80.4,57952,anon1659154220,anon2867672406,"Facebook connected me to a bunch of childhood friends from the years I was growing up in the American suburbs. It sometimes shocks me a little when some of them express what I view as seriously misguided reactionary views. But I admit that things in the USA are so crazy, so out of kilter, and frankly so increasingly violent and intolerant that almost every day I wrestle with “fight or flight” dilemmas. My more hedonistic side wants to just find peace and harmony but I’m just too invested in this society- and it is too militarily powerful - to bail on it. The pathetic excuse for leadership in today’s American government is just not acceptable. Turning everyone in the world into an enemy is a path to planetary destruction. But damn - it sucks over here these days. On days when I read the news anyway.  (Sorry to rant too much in this topic that isn’t about me, but this is my version of alienation and my inner conflicts around it. )"
8,58103,2019-08-19T10:53:35.664Z,9369,0,26,25,1,1,0,10.2,58072,anon2446385507,anon1659154220,"[quote=""anon1659154220, post:7, topic:9369""]
I’m just too invested in this society- and it is too militarily powerful - to bail on it.
[/quote]

There's a great great read on Memetic Tribes and Culture Wars categorizing a lot of bubbles today. It ends with ways to fight these wars:

https://medium.com/s/world-wide-wtf/memetic-tribes-and-culture-war-2-0-14705c43f6bb

My personal take on your comment is:
Many of us seem to be - which only means that we choose our battles: some prefer a more radical activisty side, others choose to enagage in the debate and build empathy; some operate from the middle of the screaming conversations, other defect and route around. And then, there's the in betweeners, like some Edgeryders folks and the very culture we are building - of dialogue, but not compromising on the values."
9,58199,2019-08-21T04:30:13.531Z,9369,3,28,27,10,0,0,190.6,58072,anon3589994963,anon1659154220,"this resonates a lot with me as well, tho luckily (so far) my home country doesn't have a Trump as PM (yet - we do have a rightwing politician with the same kinda hair as Donald and Boris, whats up with that?).

For me it's been partially the ""expat-experience:"" living from home you change, the people in your old space change, but you expect them to be the same, as if time hasn't moved, and they expect you to be the same as well. Insert: friction between reality and your idea of reality. And it's not just within your smaller community that this is the case, but the whole country feels alien. I really like how @anon2661411812 put it in the interview questions I had for him (working on that right on now by the way!):

""I had a profound “reverse culture shock” experience when coming back from Nepal: nothing here in Europe made sense anymore [...] there is a lot of hope in Nepal: a road is coming to the village, or piped water supply arrives (actually they installed it in our house in Kathmandu while @anon

I feel the same, thi I had I never felt as a ""misfit"" back home. But the first time I returned after living abroad for a year, I was shocked with people being upset that the train was a 1 minute late - even though I would've been one of those people a year before that. I was upset that my colleagues at the Dutch Parliament couldn't understand I was giving up my job after a year to move to Ukraine to study a new language. I was annoyed that most of my friends would have time for lunch planned a few months ahead, and would feel uncomfortable if I'd call them to have a drink ""right now.""

That was in 2008/2009. And I haven't lived back home since. I just didn't feel home anymore.

But living abroad you also live in a bubble. And I think that's where the shock of the continued polarization of our worlds lays. It's not that Belgium isn't experiencing its worst rise in extreme right political parties in decades, but you are not affected by it as it ""isn't your country."" So, you're worried about it, but it hurts more when it's you childhood friend who has franon3589994963 ideas about the earth being flat, than when it is your neighbor who you only say hi to.  

I currently live in a country that is extremely homophobic, extremely religious, and extremely patriotic (Georgia) - all the things that I am not (I used to run the joke that my only religion is equality). But its politics and its views ""hurt"" me less than the news that the right wing party in the Netherlands has gained more seats in parliament. Talking with someone who says gays are evil hurts me, but when they say it in Georgia I sip from my coffee, politely smile and ask ""how come?"" whereas in NL I'd probably throw that same cup of coffee in their face."
10,58202,2019-08-21T06:40:21.276Z,9369,1,23,22,1,1,0,29.6,58199,anon2446385507,anon3589994963,"[quote=""anon3589994963, post:9, topic:9369""]
But living abroad you also live in a bubble. And I think that’s where the shock of the continued polarization of our worlds lays. It’s not that Belgium isn’t experiencing its worst rise in extreme right political parties in decades, but you are not affected by it as it “isn’t your country.”
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Very interesting, haven't thought about that. If you've been living in the new country for a short while, yes, but if you've been in Georgia for over 10 years and your now family is Georgian, can it possibly be the same? Does it take so long to feel at home again? Wow. I'll have to live and see it. 
For me it's also this thing about moving from East to West: as a general direction it seems there is a lot more safety as long as you play by the rules. So even if something bad happens here, is seems like it's not really dangerous, or threatening. But this is probably much easier to say from Belgium today than from other Western states - US and Netherlands included. 

And yes, everything about your country of birth or what was your home before hurts harder, for sure.

Ping @anon"
11,58209,2019-08-21T09:15:06.393Z,9369,1,22,21,2,0,0,94.4,58199,anon3593942245,anon3589994963,"I totally get this point with living in your own bubble abroad, and this is exactly why I want to live abroad. 
It opens a possibility of living a life that is not determined by your, or any, nationality - in fact, the longer I am away, the less sense it makes for me to say I am Polish. I find such labels misrepresentative and irrelevant for me. But trying to be something else, say, German, makes little sense as well. I guess I need to stick to my passport and my identity as long as it's necessary :) 

Based on my experience, similar in a way, I'd assume that @anon

I have been moving for 10 years, and every time it is a bubble - different when I lived in Asia, very privileged but also filled with intense learning and growing, different in various European countries, where who I was could always be tweaked, and was always affected by a whole lot of variables (the way people perceived my education, my Polishness and the stereotypes around it, who did I live with). But the comfort that comes from the fact you're not exactly, in some sense, a deep part of the community, is incredible. For people who need tight-knit groups and situations, I guess it might be frustrating. For those of us who enjoy freedom and want to lead adventurous, extravagant lives, this is just perfect. You can be whatever you want, free from the gaze and cultural and social limitations that your own country imposes. 

The feeling at home is an interesting one, @anon2649858692mi,  and I think it depends on what you need to call a place a home = I need only myself. I immediately call every place home. Even when I'm only squatting friends for a week :)"
12,58211,2019-08-21T09:36:46.244Z,9369,1,23,22,1,0,0,44.6,58209,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Plus, I have to say, feeling distanced to my domestic politics makes me feel great. It's no longer so much my problem - I am interested in international relations, and I read mostly about American, Russian, Chinese, British politics. it's nice to feel you're not responsible for the mess in your country anymore, but you still get a good overview of what shapes the world and how you position yourself towards global, human challenges. National politics, my god, why did we even invent it :rofl:"
13,58587,2019-08-30T07:59:22.780Z,9369,0,23,22,1,2,0,39.6,58199,anon2867672406,anon3589994963,"[quote=""anon3589994963, post:9, topic:9369""]
But living abroad you also live in a bubble. And I think that’s where the shock of the continued polarization of our worlds lays. It’s not that Belgium isn’t experiencing its worst rise in extreme right political parties in decades, but you are not affected by it as it “isn’t your country.” So, you’re worried about it, but it hurts more when it’s you childhood friend who has franon3589994963 ideas about the earth being flat, than when it is your neighbor who you only say hi to.
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This is very similar to my own experience. And compounded by the objective difficulties of understanding what the heck is going on at the social and political level in your host country. Belgium had elections three months ago, the new parliament has been unable to form a government, and almost no expat has a clue why, or what is going to happen next. 

Here in Brussels, anon2649858692mi's and my reaction has been to try to burrow deeper in the local context. With our different styles: she's out talking to local activists who reclaim unused buildings; I borrow books on Belgian history in the local library, and actually _do_ have an idea of why we don't have a a government yet. I also made an effort to think myself more as a local, celebrating the parts of the local culture that I resonate with (easy in Belgium, and in Brussels in particular, with the anti-authoritarian, anarchic streak and the surrealist humor). I even made myself a citizen. But that only punctured the bubble, not dissolved it.

[quote=""anon
feeling distanced to my domestic politics makes me feel great. It’s no longer so much my problem - I am interested in international relations, and I read mostly about American, Russian, Chinese, British politics. it’s nice to feel you’re not responsible for the mess in your country anymore, but you still get a good overview of what shapes the world and how you position yourself towards global, human challenges. National politics, my god, why did we even invent it :rofl:
[/quote]

Also resonates with my experience. But now, eight years on, I am really losing touch with the political mess in Italy: my overview is no longer so good. Just this week I was contemplating getting a subscription to some newspaper or something. I know, a terrible idea. But I look at Italian social media, and I see all this anger and sarcasm coming through, and don't get it. In the coming months, I think, I will have to decide if letting it go for good or going a bit closer."
14,58781,2019-09-04T15:30:17.192Z,9369,1,22,21,1,0,0,74.4,50139,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"Very interesting you read your experiences here. So similar with mine in many ways.

First time I came to Belgium was in 1999, high school. I got enrolled in Institut catholique Saint Boniface in Ixelles. Had a very weird episode there with the principle inviting me to his office, trying to find in a shady way if I was Ortodox or Catholic, beeting around the bush, then giving me special treatment when he found out. I also saw how all the kids kept separate in school, divided by race, it felt so wrong. I left Belgium 2 months later, disgusted.

When I moved to Brussels again 2 years later I found it refreshing nobody was asking me about my nationality or religion out of some hidden agenda, if it happened it was out of curiosity. I met people from all over the world and it was an amazing experience.

Even though I have changed so much, just like you. The thing is, I believe we changed way more than people who stayed in our countries...it's just that we perceive they changed a lot :wink:. 
I am not distanced from local politics at all, especially not the one in Balkans. At first I resented it, felt powerless and frustrated, but as time passed by I felt I cannot just ignore it. I feel there is more hope and potential for change there, here the system became too strong. Also the change is more urgent there than here in western hemisphere but not for the reasons you might think.

Few years in I realised how special Brussels was and, in spite all the things I resent about it, it is by large the reason I keep coming back to it. Brussels is a city of nomads, of expats, of people out of place but actually in perfect place for them...you might say we form a new nation. Nation based on similar experiences, feelings, perception or belief...I would say it is a belief we are human above all.

Nations are a rather recent invention in human history so I really don't see why should anyone look at it as something permanent, I don't. I believe more and more people realise this and in fact solution to accelerate such an evolution is to create better living conditions. From what I see, poorer someone is more likely he is to be influenced by manipulators using nation, race, religion or any other mean to create bigger divisions in society and rule on that foundation of fear of 'the other side'. 

And yes, as @anon"
15,58807,2019-09-05T07:09:20.736Z,9369,2,21,20,1,1,0,19.2,58781,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:14, topic:9369""]
The thing is, I believe we changed way more than people who stayed in our countries…it’s just that we perceive they changed a lot :wink:.
[/quote]

I think I see this too in my environment. But I would never say it out loud, it sounds a bit presumptious no? The implication seems to be: 'I evolved, you haven't'. And who wants to stay still?"
16,58833,2019-09-05T13:48:25.660Z,9369,1,22,21,1,0,0,44.4,58807,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"Well I didn't say we changed in a good way (evolved) and they haven't :wink:

Experiencing different things, meeting different people,cultures, viewpoints etc, expands your own and normally helps you a great deal in personal development. So even if you said that you evolved more than they did, it would make sense even though it would sound arrogant.

That's why I don't judge though, maybe I wouldn't have evolved much if I stayed in my home town my whole life (Zadar). In fact, it's highly likely. Why would an organism evolve if it hasn't changed environment (living conditions)? :smiley:."
17,58876,2019-09-06T13:57:32.913Z,9369,0,24,23,1,0,0,24.8,58833,anon3593942245,anon3346229079,"This is so true, whenever I am back in Lublin, where I studied, i go to the hip bars and meet my old friends and they have the same conversations... For real! 10 years later. Nothing bad about it, it's just a different experience, i completely agree."
18,58877,2019-09-06T14:33:55.208Z,9369,0,23,22,1,0,0,84.6,58807,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"Well, not so long ago I spent an afternoon with @anon1700133569 working on some stuff. After a couple of hours we are hungry and go to get some food around the corner. On arrival we meet an old acquaintance of mine whom I hadnt seen in years. Asked him how he was. He had had two kids he said. i asked him how that was - ""well it is not as bad as my job"". 

On the other hand friends who went out into the world and experienced and did wild stuff- they went back home and settled into nice comfortable lives. They were somehow in the same place, and living fairly conventional lives - but the way they arrived there was one in which their personal development lead them there. An active, well thought through choice. And they are happy.

So it's pretty unpredictable I think and varies from person to person."
19,64081,2019-11-14T16:12:14.898Z,9369,3,19,18,1,0,0,83.8,58202,anon1600292931,anon2446385507,"This is such an exciting post, @anon2446385507 I anon3760934795ogize it has taken me so long to answer your ping but, as you know, I moved once again to a new city. I left my hometown 14 years ago and I have been reconstructing my social world since then. I think the 'home bubbles' and the 'abroad bubbles' have always been fluid for me - 'home' and 'abroad' have blurry boundaries. Even in my darkest, least hopeful moments, when it felt like I didn't have a home anymore or a language that feels like home, I tried to remind myself that I left Romania for NYC because I was curious to learn about the world. This is also the reason for which I try to keep my bubbles porous - I believe that if I want to learn with others I cannot live in the comfort of a cozy space. My struggle has been to deconstruct ideas that society takes for granted - that 'home' needs to be a stable space, a comfortable one, a space of predictability and intimacy (hence my interest in co-housing). But most homes are not like that or, more accurately, they are like that only in the simplified narratives we create about them. From my experience, there is a lot of hard work involved in building a home both 'at home' and 'abroad'. So, it is this hard work of making a home that keeps me sane because I know that, if I am honest with myself, wherever I go I will have to engage in it. This realization has saved me from cultural shocks and the disappointment with old or new friends. Of course, some days it feels easier to fall back on given narratives about homes and homelands...but those days pass. More difficult is losing friends because of such relocations in space but then again friendships are dialogues and some dialogues end or morph into something else. I guess, I find my wellbeing in trying to stay curious, kind and open to the world around me even when I don't feel like it or when the world around doesn't seem particularly kind to me (poetry helps too) :)"
20,64087,2019-11-14T17:19:32.792Z,9369,0,20,19,1,0,0,39.0,64081,anon1659154220,anon1600292931,"There is an old saying in English, ""home is where the heart is."""
21,64137,2019-11-15T09:08:29.987Z,9369,1,19,18,1,1,0,28.8,64081,anon2446385507,anon1600292931,"[quote=""anon1600292931, post:19, topic:9369""]
My struggle has been to deconstruct ideas that society takes for granted - that ‘home’ needs to be a stable space, a comfortable one, a space of predictability and intimacy (hence my interest in co-housing).
[/quote]

Yes. And you know how sometimes you're so far from the normal idea of home that you have a hard time understanding just *how* far? I don't even distinguish between nuclear family home and co-housing as a home, because this is not where the action is imho (even thogh it could be a crucial distinction for many, and rightly so). I think it comes down to the heart, in the sense of feeling of belonging, no matter how the home setup looks like. That was hard to rebuild after I left Cluj for good, simply because I had thought I belong there, because my people were there. Only to realise that having 2 homes is even more rewarding, feeling safe and at ease in two places, or more. But in the absence of this feeling, a sense of wondering the world would not do it, not for me. It does work for @anon

@anon

> How these narratives can carry people through rough times due to a sense of being a community of fate. The rituals, again tied to place and people, which everyone of the place has internalised often have the role of weaving together communities. The older they are, the more thoroughly they are grounded in your person - because of childhood memories etc. A solid common ground. ([source](https://edgeryders.eu/t/my-own-journey-how-to-do-tech-for-good-when-you-dont-trust-your-neighbour/11469/))"
22,64148,2019-11-15T10:00:40.787Z,9369,1,19,18,1,0,0,58.8,64137,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"On this topic I recommend @anon

*""The Eritrean/Ethiopian community has been present in Italy for at least half a century and it has been actively integrated into the social and cultural life of the city. Starting from the collective memories of the community, on the ground of photo documents, the film gathers together the legacy of personal stories, exploring the different shades of identity, migration and the aspirations of the people*"" 

<br>

https://youtu.be/SQiKvHr-rcM

<br>

Our @anon2867672406 has explored this part of north Italian heritage through the eyes and voices of the Mondine - who took part in partisan resistance movement during the second world war:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtomuKX78c 

<br> 

Also Maybe @anon1440609301 can shed light on this relationship to land/place (if my memory doesn't fail me he wanted to be a herder of goats or cows in the mountains?)"
23,64260,2019-11-15T14:52:01.239Z,9369,0,18,17,1,1,0,23.6,64081,anon2867672406,anon1600292931,"[quote=""anon1600292931, post:19, topic:9369""]
My struggle has been to deconstruct ideas that society takes for granted - that ‘home’ needs to be a stable space, a comfortable one, a space of predictability and intimacy (hence my interest in co-housing). But most homes are not like that or, more accurately, they are like that only in the simplified narratives we create about them. From my experience, there is a lot of hard work involved in building a home both ‘at home’ and ‘abroad’. So, it is this hard work of making a home that keeps me sane because I know that, if I am honest with myself, wherever I go I will have to engage in it.
[/quote]

[quote=""anon1600292931, post:19, topic:9369""]
I guess, I find my wellbeing in trying to stay curious, kind and open to the world around me even when I don’t feel like it or when the world around doesn’t seem particularly kind to me
[/quote]

These are fantastic quotes, @anon1600292931. You said it better than I did: the work of building your home, of making yourself at home in a community – be it the one you grew up in or one you arrived at later in life – is good work. Exhausting and frustrating at times, but good work overall. It carries meaning, and I am proud to do it.

@anon781457888 evoked my own work as a musician with traditional music from the corner of the world I grew up in. Leaving Emilia, and then leaving Italy, did not mean I had to leave that behind, not at all. Instead, I carry this identity with me, wherever I go. It does not make much of a difference, in fact: even in Italy, even in Emilia, it is very much a peripheral identity, although in some cases a respected one. Wherever I am, I and the people closest to me are never more than one small thread in the worldsong. As I go, I pick up new notes, and, very carefully, integrate them in the thread, so that they make a harmonious whole. There has never been any need to turn my back on anything important. 

https://youtu.be/IW2Ce4_FHx8"
24,64266,2019-11-15T15:22:43.966Z,9369,0,5,4,0,0,0,31.0,64260,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"@anon2979239943 just making a mental note. anon1600292931 is someone you want to talk to in your next recruitments for ethnography. She just finished her PhD at The New School (ex Fulbright fellow) and has relocated to London. She's quite something, we studied together in uni.
Her site: https://dialoguesonhabitation.com/introduction"
25,64310,2019-11-16T06:41:02.545Z,9369,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,50139,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"I think I disagree with the statement that communal vs nuclear living is not where the action is - the creation of nuclear living is so tied to neoliberal capitalism and slow decay of social relations that for me it has to be worked against. I am not hoping for it to disappear completely, but further separation and isolation only supports the logic of business as usual late capitalism we live in - with all its environmental, economical and other human disasters. Living with people is hard work, even harder when people are out of your bubbles (happened to me this year, our flatmate is sooo damn different from what I'd like her to be... but then, it's a learning experience I'm having with her I wouldn't have with anyone who is like me;)), but maybe this is a way to try to mend the rift in contemporary societies, fighting for the opinions on the barricades almost. 

I learned to see everywhere I am as home, which is very helpful when you roam the world constantly and have no relation with your real family - I was forced to build a stability for myself in this weird setup. It's precarious, I'm aware of it, but I am also very lucky with supportive, empathic, generous human beings, and that's often much more than you'd get from your family. I'm grateful for that."
26,64331,2019-11-16T09:43:51.859Z,9369,1,15,14,1,1,0,28.0,64310,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
I think I disagree with the statement that communal vs nuclear living is not where the action is
[/quote]
Yeah. Maybe I wasn't clear, sorry about that. I meant that, at least for me, it's not this that will make more of a home or not, it's really the people. Yes, we need to expand on our narratives of home and re-shape those which are currently not working because they contribute to isolation, and all the things you say. But for me what was an unexpected admission was that my home is in people, not in any land per se or arbitrary house setup. So that comes after, rather than being a prerequisite. It's like the basic level of Maslow's pyramid, but layered for what makes a safe and loving home.
 It's also why I notice that some people can move out of their land or country courageously when they follow dear ones. It's like taking their soul home with them..

So what @anon1600292931 says about challenging the idea that '‘home’ needs to be a stable space, a comfortable one, a space of predictability and intimacy'  - it's a little more difficult for those of us wired for safety and intimacy as a basis for anything else."
27,64344,2019-11-16T11:47:21.933Z,9369,2,14,13,1,0,0,62.8,64331,anon1600292931,anon2446385507,"@anon2446385507, I agree with you that safety and intimacy are important but, in my view, they are not givens. They are values we learn with others and, like any other values, they have particular histories; they are embedded in systems of political, economic and social relations. As @anon"
28,64367,2019-11-16T16:28:15.897Z,9369,0,14,13,1,0,0,37.8,64344,anon1659154220,anon1600292931,"I agree with you that home is built in relation to one of more societies.  That neat little phrase does relay a certain truth, but it obviously has no nuance.

I am someone who was raised in a strong nuclear family, who went on the road and lived as a nomad and then left the region where I was raised and lived for all of my 20s in an intentional community that was entirely created from nothing by the people involved, without help from outside.

But although that community still exists in a different and diminished form (meaning I could have stayed there to this day), I chose to leave with my own new family and move back to California, closer to my widowed mother and my brothers.

Many from the intentional community I left also moved back to California where we had started, and we are now a group of more than 100 people who are still very close. Indeed my daughter married the son of one of my friends from that community.  So we are still all ""pretty tight"" with each other.

But - and here is my point if you will - if I had a personal tragedy, or needed to come up with substantial money or some other large problematic event, it is to my biological family I would turn rather than my friends.

But that is just me. I know others in that tribe who don't really have biological families they can turn to so it is to the tribe that they turn.  Plenty of Kickstarter campaigns where the tribe does all the donating are some of the evidence.

So, since one size really does not fit all, maybe ""home is where the heart is"" constitutes a comforting reality for those who need it."
29,64384,2019-11-16T19:32:25.423Z,9369,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,64344,anon781457888,anon1600292931,"<image here> 
 

:slight_smile:"
30,64832,2019-11-20T11:48:39.009Z,9369,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,50139,anon1274458134,anon2446385507,"I read your statements with interest. Well, not all but most. I realized that my dear friend went to the West, I suppose for reasons you are writing about. I am convinced that the desire to change his life has driven him more than issues of existence. I have never been strongly motivated to leave my homeland, although sometimes I wanted to quit everything and become a shepherd in the Eastern Carpathians;) To tell you the truth, I have never met a larger group of people who decided to emigrate because of the political or social atmosphere of their country. I am not talking about persecution, but about a certain feeling and atmosphere"
31,64846,2019-11-20T12:32:21.638Z,9369,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,64832,anon2446385507,anon1274458134,"In the 90s in Romania migration was driven by economics, but under the issue of not making a good living was a shaky political climate. So it comes down to that some way or another.

The newest waves of migration are more political I believe - people are disillusioned. Social groups and the ways communities live or trust each other can also be tied to politics. It's hard to have a tight community if the political climate seeds distrust and polarization. But then again, you have communities that were plagued by war and conflict, who can recover despite of that - but that's because you have a 'deepening of democracy' as a political opportunity. One about which I'm currently reading about is [Cambodia.](https://academic.oup.com/cdj/article/52/1/144/2996299)

That said, my leaving was deeply personal, like your friend's."
32,64865,2019-11-20T13:18:19.688Z,9369,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,64846,anon1274458134,anon2446385507,"In your entries, you mentioned as political reasons for emigration - nationalist intensification and conservatism. 

Well, actually these values and attitudes are very close to me. And I do not think that in my country the situation is bad or unfavorable towards minorities. 

Although I understand that someone else may have a different perception. 

However, I would like to mention that some Poles, half jokingly, half seriously mention that maybe a wave of refugees will soon come to Poland. Refugees - Christians who value traditional values. I do not think this would happen, but I agree that the European Union and political correctness have made Europe an area of influence of soft totalitarianism - in a form completely unknown before. Without concentration camps and mass violence, but with the all-powerful dictate of ""leftist"" political correctness."
33,65346,2019-11-23T08:05:48.022Z,9369,1,15,14,1,0,0,58.0,64148,anon1440609301,anon781457888,"@anon781457888 (Hi!), sorry for the late reply! You remember right. I volunteered as a shepherd helper. Unfortunately, not for long periods. 🤠 🐮 🐮 🐮
 
We live in a very abstract society where the consequences of our actions are not immediately visible ([Thoreau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_David_Thoreau)?). If you work in an ""old-style"" farm, instead, you see the results of your work. Shoveling goat shit is the most rewarding job in the world because at the end of the day you can see a huge heap of shit. The proof that you did well and life is meaningful. 💩 🐐
 
[Nietzsche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche) said that, in human prehistory, the value of an action depended only on its consequences (pre-moral values). Later religions created some abstract values. People started to act by principles regardless of their consequences. Today technology has replaced religion in this function. Since Over-Men and Over-Women have not come yet, the practice of primitive ""immorality"" is healthy.
 
I am not sure if I can shed light on the themes of this thread. What I can say about my experience is that living and working in an alpine farm has the same problems as co-housing/co-working. Just harder, I guess. The work is not physically demanding: cows are decent people after all. However, it is a 24/7 job and working conditions, even in the summer, are not always ideal (rain and shit are ok, humidity and children are bad). The main challenge is to live very close to your fellow human beings. There is no space for privacy and you should work hard to make them likeable. I slept under the roof of a rugged cabin together with the fridge where yogurt was stored (we had electricity but no tap water). So my afternoon naps were often interrupted by who was coming for yogurt.
But, if the people alchemy works, then you can experience a family-like intimacy, a sense of safety, meaning and home.
 
Unfortunately, social relations of this kind are disappearing. Traditional herding is not competitive with food market prices. Valleys are abandoned. Population aging, alcoholism, suicides and other social problems are common in marginal areas of the Alps.
 
""[The Wind Blows Round](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wind_Blows_Round)"" by Giorgio Dritti 2005 is a movie about these topics and the land/place relationship. [Full movie](https://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raiSport/media/Il-vento-fa-il-suo-giro-1a9a122e-c9f8-465b-9c32-0853d5915506.html) for free on public Italian tv (no idea why it is under ""sport""). Hopefully, visible also from abroad.
 
If I remember, in ""[Without Ever Reaching The Submit](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45730436-without-ever-reaching-the-summit)"", the novelist [Paolo Cognetti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Cognetti) (he is a city guy, anon2971899728n, but he is cool) said something more or less like ""Roads are supposed to take wealth, but they often take people away"". This is what happened and is still happening."
34,65355,2019-11-23T09:26:57.985Z,9369,0,15,14,2,0,0,13.0,65346,anon781457888,anon1440609301,@anon2867672406 for reef ^^
1,65161,2019-11-22T13:50:52.922Z,11731,0,9,8,35,0,0,206.8,65161,anon239927282,anon239927282,"**Please mention the name / topic of the event you want to participate in, and the city or town where it is happening.**

Tomasz Morozgalski, ecology, public transport, healthcare

**Work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again? Which would you want to start doing/do more of?**

Meeting friends, working, reading
And I would like to go to a library more often

**What is an a question or desire that drives you or your work? How did you get started and what hurdles have you met along the way? Which doubts do you have about the work you are doing and the path forward? What kind of support would you like to offer others traveling a similar path?<br/><br/>By sharing your story below you enable others to connect you with people, conversations, opportunities relevant to your personal and professional development:**

I don’t know. I’m not into traveling, it’s not ecological 

**Great, now that you've made it easier for us to introduce you to the others – start to think about the topic and purpose of the event itself. Why do you want to participate in it? How do you feel the topic touches your work or life at the moment / in the future?**

In conversation about public transport, healthcare, privatisation of universities



**name:** Tomasz"
2,65187,2019-11-22T16:33:29.480Z,11731,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,65161,anon3593942245,anon239927282,"Cześć @anon239927282  czy zgłaszasz się na wydarzenie w Warszawie, czy któreś inne?"
3,65219,2019-11-22T18:22:28.000Z,11731,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,65187,anon239927282,anon3593942245,"Cześć,

Chciałem zgłosić się na wydarzenie w Warszawie, które odbędzie się 30"
4,65348,2019-11-23T08:08:38.509Z,11731,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,65219,anon3593942245,anon239927282,"Super! Oczywiscie bardzo serdzo serdecznie zapraszamy, tylko mam jedna prosbe - na polskie wydarzenie mamy troche inne zasady, zgodnie z formularzem w jezyku polskim, ktory niestety latwo przeoczyc. Prosze o napisanie nam krotkiego tekstu nt. Sytuacji w Polsce, co Cie interesuje, motywuje, wyanon1547754019 zanon1235093333n? I wrzucic go tutaj: https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/pl  

Jest juz sporo wypowiedzi w anon3213561856egorii, wiec mozes tez odniesc sie do jednej z nich, albo i wiecej ;) no i do zobaczenia w sobote!"
1,65171,2019-11-22T14:34:33.120Z,11736,0,7,6,38,0,0,176.4,65171,anon1274458134,anon1274458134,"Jedna z historii zamieszczonych tutaj nosiła tytuł „Skąd ta prawica na Lubelszczyźnie?”. Ja zaś chciałbym się spytać: skąd ta ojkofobia w Polsce. Pod tym terminem rozumiem niechęć, a wręcz nienawiść do wytworów własnej narodowej kultury, osób o tradycjonalistycznych poglądach, generalnie wszystkiego co moglibyśmy nazwać „naszym”. I tak jak w przypadku „ksenofobii” karmi się ona stereotypami, uprzedzeniami, strachem i przekłamaniem. Jakiś czas temu termin stał się mocno „polityczny” ponieważ Jarosław Kaczyński użył go na określenie postawy sędziów. Chodziło tam chyba jednak chodziło raczej o krytykę państwa i aparatu władzy. 
Zastanawia mnie skąd biorą się takie postawy. Bo widzę ich sporo wśród niektórych moich znajomych i przede wszystkim w mediach tzw. głównego nurtu. I tak np. znicze palone na grobach w Dzień Wszystkich Świętych to wg Gazety Wyborczej klimatyczne wykroczenie, ale ta sama gazeta nawołuje do zapalania zniczy na grobach żołnierzy radzieckich i dla uczczenia rocznicy wybuchu Powstania w Getcie Warszawskim. Zresztą ten tytuł akurat jest pełen tego typu tekstów: takich, które przekonują, że rozbiory oznaczały dla Polski awans cywilizacyjny, patriotyzm gorszy niż rasizm….i ach, straszne Wojsko Polskie – służy przecież zabijaniu ludzi ….. okropne ;) W Newsweeku co jakiś czas regularnie musi ukazać się tytuł, że Polak to cham co bije i pije, a tak w ogóle to niedbający o siebie brzuchacz z popsutymi zębami i kiepski kochanek. I tak dalej i ciągle w ten deseń. Nie zapominajmy oczywiście o tym, że jesteśmy największymi antysemitami wg badania pewnej organizacji żydowskiej. Nie będę wdawał się w szczegóły ale polecam znaleźć informacje, w jaki sposób przeprowadzono to badanie, na jakiej próbce ludzi i przede wszystkim jakie pytania zadawano. To pozwoli wyciągnąć ciekawe wnioski na temat tego co uznano w tym badaniu za antysemickie  Co by tu jeszcze – swego czasu natrafiłem na tekst bodajże naszej najświeższej noblistki – o tym jak to Polacy ciemiężyli i kolonizowali Kresy – chętnie bym podyskutował w tej materii i zrobił dłuższy historyczny wywód. Ograniczę się jednak do stwierdzenia, że to właśnie elita z litewskich i prawosławnych rusińskich rodów nadawała ton polityce Rzeczypospolitej w XVII i XVIII w. Czy jakikolwiek książęcy afrykański ród stał się częścią elity Imperium Brytyjskiego? Nie? A Pacowie, Radziwiłłowie, Ostrogscy, Sapiehowie, Wiśniowieccy? Kim byli? 
Czy zatem każda krytyka polskich tradycji czy historii to coś godnego potępienia? Oczywiście nie; sam przecież tu żyję i widzę, że nawet najlepsze tradycje i najwznioślejsze mogą wyradzać się w patologię. Problem polega na tym, że istnieje dość spora grupa współobywateli, którzy uwielbiają się wręcz w tym nurzać. Z lubością podkreślają polską bylejakość, ksenofobię, homofobię, zaściankowość….(wstaw dowolne negatywne słowo). Ciekawi mnie skąd to wynika? Czy jest tak silnie obecne w innych krajach? Czy jak Rumuni odwiedzają groby swoich bliskich w święto Radonicy (paschalny wtorek, Paștile Blajinilor) to Adevarul wysmaruje jakiś tekst o bezsensie tego święta? @anon2649858692mi?"
1,64810,2019-11-20T08:55:51.266Z,11665,0,9,8,9,0,0,61.8,64810,anon3457265948,anon3457265948,"Věděli jste, že pouhých patnáct minut vlakem od Brna leží ladem chátrající objekt bývalé LDN? 🚂🏨🏚

Jedna skupina na našem [Bydlení je právo! Hacanon3213561856hon o dostupném bydlení](https://www.facebook.com/events/2366887940099261/?acontext=%7B%22source%22%3A3%2C%22source_newsfeed_story_type%22%3A%22regular%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22%5B%7B%5C%22surface%5C%22%3A%5C%22newsfeed%5C%22%2C%5C%22mechanism%5C%22%3A%5C%22feed_story%5C%22%2C%5C%22extra_data%5C%22%3A%5B%5D%7D%5D%22%2C%22has_source%22%3Atrue%7D&source=3&source_newsfeed_story_type=regular&action_history=%5B%7B%22surface%22%3A%22newsfeed%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22feed_story%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%5B%5D%7D%5D&has_source=1&__tn__=K-R&eid=ARCCyx8-iiRm-Nax4aU3fEtpt_HxDsFb1cAXkNp9EXwUikslsl8DGP7i7ilthgYkjwfXMEh_wF8id3_h&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARB9cljA6XQ5oRcL1xB1ls83Aen9ObJ0ItE2lukpLGeRj4cax7jfJZDW3IiW_eAcmHQkr5ORv00rann3la-3YN4wBBo6nKHmLMMpk5vCT2yyQLznoxdgpIDWI8JS0laARki6eBBcWNsjxYPD178qcbxh-oiLq1oO_9h4d4yM8EDqsp1nCSY3mV7finqNdBGxmL_L5MiOseX7VHKkdsMv05ax7Pel6pQqIo16DankYHo7-VVSLYjquBf2ETPEEy9wJaWSa34KmKXSN4Sygrf7CNR9kSdmVcffx_Fl0paNqcNEDUoCrLag1jBtXOW5vR_b3LqYjRn9xN3l424Nr2rVpqIEtA) se jí rozhodla věnovat. 🕵️‍♂️

Vznikl kolektiv [Linduška 408](https://www.facebook.com/Lindu%C5%A1ka-408-110741400374297/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARD9O55G0LQWM6gzt1hzZO1pCWtmgFui2oreLkhbat3nv3aLarDzBZRqKSLrRv1BYzf-zUZNINOGzDbW&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARB9cljA6XQ5oRcL1xB1ls83Aen9ObJ0ItE2lukpLGeRj4cax7jfJZDW3IiW_eAcmHQkr5ORv00rann3la-3YN4wBBo6nKHmLMMpk5vCT2yyQLznoxdgpIDWI8JS0laARki6eBBcWNsjxYPD178qcbxh-oiLq1oO_9h4d4yM8EDqsp1nCSY3mV7finqNdBGxmL_L5MiOseX7VHKkdsMv05ax7Pel6pQqIo16DankYHo7-VVSLYjquBf2ETPEEy9wJaWSa34KmKXSN4Sygrf7CNR9kSdmVcffx_Fl0paNqcNEDUoCrLag1jBtXOW5vR_b3LqYjRn9xN3l424Nr2rVpqIEtA), který se zasazuje o:
👉upozornění na chátrající budovu
👉vyzývající ke změně přístupu ke státnímu majetku
👉pořádání akcí a úklidů, vedoucí ke zvelebení objektu!

Na tenhle projekt se osobně hrozně moc těším, bylo strašně zajimavé vidět, jak se na hacanon3213561856honu spontánně zformovala velice akční skupinka ""dobrodruhů"" a lidí, kteří chtějí pohnout s opuštěnou budovou. Jejich práce byla nesmírně vtipná a zajímavá. Když jsem se jich jako organizátor ptal, jestli něco nepotřebují, jestli jim můžu něco přinést nebo sehnat atd., tak mi řekli, že ne, protože za půl hodiny jim jede vlak do Babic! Uprostřed Hacanon3213561856honu se normálně zvedli a jeli si celou tu budouvu projít, naplánovat akce a další postup.

A co se teda bude dít?

1) Už je posudek na stav střechy od profesionálního stavaře, a vypadá to, že další rozklad budovy můžeme zastavit svépomocí.
2) Byl osloven starosta Babic i Úřad pro zastupování státu ve věcech majetkových.
3) Je domluvený rozhovou z bývalou sestřičkou, která v objektu pracovala.

V zimě se bude práce spíše soustředit na organizování, komunikaci a plánování. Velké a veřejné akce, úklidy, párty, partyzánské zahradničení atp. se chystá v létě! Tak se přidejte k nám!

Sledujte celou snahu na facebooku [Linduška 408](https://www.facebook.com/Lindu%C5%A1ka-408-110741400374297/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARCH_ZDEem0JTEQNWrelJ4ZPyDOotPqIND-HIK-UK7qpM3xgWYG9lZxtm6TYi3J9xbfyvK2RzH5xHX7w&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARB9cljA6XQ5oRcL1xB1ls83Aen9ObJ0ItE2lukpLGeRj4cax7jfJZDW3IiW_eAcmHQkr5ORv00rann3la-3YN4wBBo6nKHmLMMpk5vCT2yyQLznoxdgpIDWI8JS0laARki6eBBcWNsjxYPD178qcbxh-oiLq1oO_9h4d4yM8EDqsp1nCSY3mV7finqNdBGxmL_L5MiOseX7VHKkdsMv05ax7Pel6pQqIo16DankYHo7-VVSLYjquBf2ETPEEy9wJaWSa34KmKXSN4Sygrf7CNR9kSdmVcffx_Fl0paNqcNEDUoCrLag1jBtXOW5vR_b3LqYjRn9xN3l424Nr2rVpqIEtA). Chcete se zapojit? Stačí napsat do zpráv, nebo na email linduska408@anon"
2,64977,2019-11-21T12:53:28.159Z,11665,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,64810,anon3353600255,anon3457265948,"Díky za nejnovější zprávy, budeme šířit dále!"
3,65165,2019-11-22T14:06:33.656Z,11665,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64810,anon4241195410,anon3457265948,uz ted se hlasim na zahradniceni a na party! :))
1,64959,2019-11-21T10:04:58.603Z,11686,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,64959,anon1031114025,anon1031114025,"https://biztechanon1547754019zine.com/sites/biztechanon1547754019zine.com/files/styles/cdw_hero/public/articles/BizTech--NonProfit-Illustration-.jpg?itok=aJSylkyJ

Býti rodákem z Ostravy (alespoň pro mě) znamená, že je člověk i po deseti letech tak nějak v hlavním městě náplava. Takže vlastně ""migrant"" a je s ním po zásluze nakládáno. Nejen proto, že asi do smrti bude říanon3213561856 Pavláku ""Ipák"", ale také proto, že když ho někdo nasere tak ho z místa pošle do řiti - no jo, hold starý zvyk je starý zvyk a slušnost jde stranou. O to je to ale upřímnější. 

Tuhle platformu teprva zkoumám a tak nevím, jaká cílovka tohle čte a koho pobavím a kdo bude dotčen. Nicméně, i na vzdory těžkému startu jsem se rozhodla v Praze zůstat a užívat si všechnu tu volnost a možnosti, které dává (včetně nesmyslného nájemného a blijících turistů). Abych nebyla jen socan a pokrytec, pokouším se sem tam přispět nějakým tím pokusem o dobro - založili jsme spolek a ve volných chvílích se snažíme užít evropský granty k zábavě, poznání a sebepoznání. Zkouším lidem ukazovat, co je to neformální vzdělávání, že poznávat nové tváře, jazyky, kultury může být docela sranda a že to v životě může dost ulehčit dospívání  formování tolik potřebného nadhledu. (Pro více info, mi napište, nebudu tu budovat nějaké nechtěné reklamy). Nedávno jsme třeba strávili skvělý týden na faře v Žirovnici, kde nás bylo něco málo přes dvacet (8 národností) a bylo to myslím příjemné i naučné.

Že to stojí ranec času a že vás s tím v rodném městě můžou úplně poslat řitě (přičemž tam si myslím, že by osvěta pomohla velmi) jsem si párkrát vyzkoušela. Článkem bych chtěla poděkovat všem, kteří se o nějaké to dobro místo nadávání na realitu pokoušej a přeju hodně štěstí. A těm, kteří by to chtěli diskutovat, nebo se mnou třeba zkusit nějaké neformální projekty, nabízím pomocnou ruku, můžu sdílet zkušenosti, know how a nebo jen povyprávět storku o tom, jak mě s nálepku sluničkáře poslali v Ostravě s neziskovkou do řitě. 

Petra"
2,64989,2019-11-21T13:48:43.560Z,11686,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,64959,anon3353600255,anon1031114025,"Ahoj Petro, díky moc za příběh a názor! Já teda ípáku budu navždycky řikát ""ípák"" a to z Prahy jsem. Organizovat cokoliv ve volném čase je vždycky v mnoha ohledech extrémně náročný - najít si čas, propojit lidi, synchronizovat, přesvědčit o smyslu a náplni, zařídit, dát dohromady peníze a to zadarmo. Jestli je tohle sluníčkářství tak sem s ním. Já mám zkušenosti hlavně s ""životem"" v amatérskejch kapelách, což znamená zpravidla 5-6 lidí, je to občsa těžký. 20 lidí (který tuším se asi ani tak dobře neznali)? To je na medaily:) Takže prosímtě - o co přesně jde a jak jsi to udělala? Přesně takový know-how a zkušenosti jsou věcí, o které tady stojíme! Pokud budeš teď o víkendu v Praze, nechtěla bys nám to přijít povyprávět i osobně? Kdyby jo, budeme se těšit na viděnou.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1211898378997747/"
3,65048,2019-11-21T18:39:00.296Z,11686,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,64959,anon4062071924,anon1031114025,"Ahoj Peti, dik moc, tesim se na sobotu, az nam o tom povypravis vic. Ja byl trikrat za grant EU na Youth in action na workshopy po Evrope - intercultural dialogue, 7 narodnosti po 6 clenech se snazili vyjit v ramci spolecnejch altivit. Naprosto skvely to bylo, rad o tom povypravim taky..."
4,65118,2019-11-22T10:30:33.676Z,11686,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64989,anon1031114025,anon3353600255,"Ahoj Jiří, 

díky za koment. O co přesně jde? Velmi široké odpovědi, tak alespoň ve zkratce - založení funkčního mechanismu - něčeho čemu náš právní řád říká zapsaný spolek a postupně plnění grantových povinností, které jsou v případě žadatele o grant n anon3760934795i neformlního vzdělávání s podporou Erasmu+ byrokratickou zátěží. O tom všem mohu povyprávět - spíš jen mi není jasné, jestli u piva u stolu, nebo s nějakou famfárou a slávou u projekce, ale předpokládám, že podle povahy akce stačí přátelské posezení u nějakého osvěžujícího moku, jo? 

Tak třeba se tam potkáme. Ráda se dovím více o této platformě a jejich možnostech a hlavně teda, by to chtělo nějaké nové přátelé, kteří jen neseděj u telky. Tak naviděnou."
5,65119,2019-11-22T10:35:56.811Z,11686,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,65048,anon1031114025,anon4062071924,"Ano, ano naprosto správně jsis to představil, Youth in action je takový starší brácha, z něj se vyvinul následující Erasmus+ program pro mobilitu osob, jehož akcí je např. výměna mládeže. Můžeme o tom povyprávět, zhodnotit, kam se to posunulo a co vidíme zpětně jako přilepšení. Také můžeme případně dále rozvíjet myšlenky."
6,65124,2019-11-22T11:12:03.899Z,11686,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,65119,anon4062071924,anon1031114025,"Skvělý - zejtra odpoledne u piva, PC s projektorem tam bude, když by si chtěla přijít s nějakou prezentací, ale klidně i ústně a pak společným brainstormanon3589994963m třeba přijdem na nějakou další alternativu! Měj se a krásnej pátek přeju!"
1,64639,2019-11-19T10:13:30.494Z,11632,1,13,12,3,0,0,52.6,64639,anon3265568623,anon3265568623,"Zdravo dobri ljudi! Drago mi je da ovim predstavljanjem postajem bogatija za nova (pa makar bila i virtualna) poznanstva. Sociolog sam po struci i zajednistvo je oduvek bilo predmet mog interesovanja. Po prirodi sam entuzijasta i vodim se mislju da ce neformalna grupa, koju sam nedavno oformila, na inicijativu prijatelja koji su u meni videli potencijal, ciniti mikro promene u drustvu. Aktivizmom se bavim jos od studenstskih dana i smatram da svi trebamo aktivno ucestvovati u razvoju drustva i okoline koja nas okruzuje. Bojim se da je otudjenje od zajednice danas u porastu i plasim se sta se sve moze desiti ukoliko ne delamo i oslonimo se samo na ono sto nam se plasira i nudi kao opcija. Zato se trudim da budem optimisticna i kreativna kada je rec o ukljucanon598341349ju ljudi u zajednicu i o novim poznanstvima. Kako odrzati zdravlje, zivost i poletnost u prostoru i vremenu u kome zivimo i bivamo? I jesu li moje zelje i tendencije samo snovi jednog divljaka u ovom vrlom novom svetu?"
2,64654,2019-11-19T11:23:42.767Z,11632,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,64639,anon2614214130,anon3265568623,"Ćao, Ana!
Dobrodošla u našu zajednicu. Hvala što si se predstavila.
Ono što mene jako raduje jeste što svi koji imaju to pitanje "".. jesu li moje zelje i tendencije samo snovi jednog divljaka u ovom vrlom novom svetu?""  počinju polako da se pojavljuju ovde i da shvataju da je mnogo onih koji se pitaju isto to. To i jeste poenta ove zajednice, radionica koje organizujemo i građenja zajednice u Srbiji. Deluje da su ti ljudi sa idejama i važnim pitanjima u svojim glavama i da misle da ne postoji prostor niti interesovanje za stavri koje ih zanimaju. Definitivno sam sigurna da nije tako. Iz dana u dan je sve više dokaza.
Voleli bismo da čujemo više o tvom projektu/ideji/grupi? Na šta želiš najviše da se koncentrišeš?"
3,64724,2019-11-19T17:09:58.000Z,11632,1,10,9,2,0,0,32.0,64654,anon3265568623,anon2614214130,"Zdravo, drago mi je!
Moja grupa se okupila oko prostora AKC Gnezdo u Krusevcu i zajedno sa UG ""Fakiri sa juga"" trudimo se da razvijemo kulturu i umetnost u gradu. Moja ideja je da se bavim neformalnim obrazovanjem mladih i odrzavanjem raznih radionica. Pored toga, imamo pregrst ideja, ali bismo voleli ukljuciti zajednicu, koja je rezervisana, uprkos nasim naporima i trudu da joj ovaj prostor priblizimo. Nadam se da se druzimo na predavanju. :)"
4,64797,2019-11-20T01:31:42.513Z,11632,1,10,9,1,1,0,12.0,64639,anon3346229079,anon3265568623,"A vidi nje, aktivista, optimista, prica o otudjenju zajednice...

[quote=""anon3265568623, post:1, topic:11632""]
I jesu li moje zelje i tendencije samo snovi jednog divljaka u ovom vrlom novom svetu?
[/quote]

Ne znam, da li te okolina gledao kao sto su gledali Johna divljaka u [ovoj knjizi](https://www.delfi.rs/strane_knjige/89706_brave_new_world_strana_knjiga_delfi_knjizare.html)?

Zezam se malo, ali u svakoj sali ima malo sale :slight_smile:.

Dobrodosla u novu zajednicu!"
5,64965,2019-11-21T11:06:04.082Z,11632,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,64724,anon2446385507,anon3265568623,"Zdravo Ana, drago mi je!

Radujem se što ću ovaj vikend doći u Srbiju.

Da li poznajete Magacin kulturni prostor u Beogradu? Pozvali smo ih na radionicu, da vidimo da li mogu doći. Mislim da biste mogli da podelite neke ideje i povežete se.

https://vvv.culturalfoundation.eu/librari/fundaction-grantees-introducing-anon1547754019cin

Izvinite zbog svojih gramatičkih grešaka, koristim google translate da pišem na srpskom."
6,64969,2019-11-21T12:03:07.075Z,11632,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,64797,anon3265568623,anon3346229079,gledao me okolina :)
7,64970,2019-11-21T12:05:23.865Z,11632,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,64965,anon3265568623,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi,

It's probably better to answer in English, since you are trying your best to write in Serbian. 
For some reason I can't open this link.
I am not familiarized with Magazine, and I am hope to meet them to discuss similar interest. :slight_smile:
Thanks for replying!"
8,64976,2019-11-21T12:52:44.680Z,11632,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,64970,anon2446385507,anon3265568623,"Sorry, I think Google tried to translate the link too :-) this is the one:

https://www.culturalfoundation.eu/library/fundaction-grantees-introducing-anon1547754019cin?rq=Magacin"
9,65072,2019-11-22T01:11:41.000Z,11632,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,64969,anon3346229079,anon3265568623,"Ah, radio sam po 16h dnevno ovih dana 😊"
10,65086,2019-11-22T08:35:26.432Z,11632,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,64976,anon3265568623,anon2446385507,Thanks! I'll have a look! :slight_smile:
11,65087,2019-11-22T08:36:17.303Z,11632,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,65072,anon3265568623,anon3346229079,auu! :frowning:
1,64856,2019-11-20T13:09:19.802Z,11675,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,64856,anon2842979306,anon2842979306,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Jestem psycholożką, wierzę w dialog, bo jest to część mojej pracy i osobistej filozofii. Po latach komunizmu Polacy zostali rzuceni na głęboką wodę kapitalizmu, z której niektórzy wypływają nieco podtopieni. Zanon1235093333ny ustrojowe zeszły się w czasie z ciągłymi zanon1235093333nami technologicznymi, klimatycznymi, społecznymi. Obserwując te zanon1235093333ny, historyczne i obecne, staram się zrozumieć jaki wpływ na psychikę mają. Polacy, jak niektórzy uważają, posiadają szczególną ""osobowość narodową"", ""trudne charaktery"". Stereotypowe rozmyślenia mają jednak swoje przełożenie na szczególnie wysokie poziomy depresji, odczuwania traumy w polskim społeczeństwie. 
Wykorzystuję przestrzeń internetową aby szerzyć świadomość o zdrowiu i zaburzeniach psychicznych, na Instagramie @anon

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Zdrowie, szczególnie psychiczne - ponieważ w Polsce jego ochrona jest w absolutnej zapaści. Funkcjonujący model jest przestrzały, niewydolny i oparty na leczeniu psychiatrycznym, zaanon1235093333st wsparciu psychologicznym, do którego udzielania mamy zdecydowanie większe zasoby ludzkie. 
Internet dla ludzi - ponieważ wiem, jak bardzo krzywdząca może być przestrzeń social mediów. Na swoim psychoedukacyjnym Instagramie opublikowałam poradnik jak korzystać z Instagrama dla własnego zdrowia psychicznego. 



**Imię lub nickname:** Anna_C"
1,65075,2019-11-22T02:38:31.721Z,11714,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,65075,anon2564886227,anon2564886227,"**Znajdujemy w przełomowym momencie w dziejach historii: obserwujemy zanon1235093333ny klimatu, ekonomiczne nierówności, spadające zaufanie do Unii Europejskiej i wartości, jakie ona reprezentuje. Dobrobyt młodych i starszych wydaje się nie poprawiać znacznie, mimo, że podobno się bogacimy. Wielu z nas zanon1547754019 się z bezrobociem, mobbingiem, innymi formami przemocy.<br/><br/> Pogłębia się też ideologiczna przepaść między nami - czy możemy rozmawiać i budować wspólne dobro ponad podziałami? Co umożliwiłoby dialog?<br/><br/> Jak radzi sobie Polska, po prawie trzech dekadach od końca PRL? Jak zmieniły nas te lata? Za jakimi wartościami stoimy? W jaką przyszłość wierzymy? Jak czują się dziś Polacy? Czym Ty się zajmujesz? Co Cię interesuje?**

Myślę i czuję, że w Polsce jest coraz gorzej z każdym dniem. Coraz częściej odczuwam, że wartością Polaków jest dyskryminacja, szerzenie nienawiści i swoich skrajnie raniących innych poglądów. Jestem osobą panseksualną, ciałopozytywną feministką z syndromem Tourette’a. Nie czuję się tu wolna, nie czuję się chciana, marzę o zanon1235093333nie i dlatego ciągle tu jestem, choć wszystko mówi - uciekaj.

**Które tematy są Ci bliskie z programu naszego spotkania w No Problem, i dlaczego?**

Przede wszystkim ciałopozytywność. Przez wiele lat anon1235093333łam problemy z postrzeganiem własnego ciała i teraz, mimo że nie wpasowuje się w „kanony piękna” (czym tak naprawde są?) to kocham siebie i swoje ciało nad życie, mimo że inni dają odczuć, że nie powinnam. 



**Imię lub nickname:** Alekanon311920576"
1,64946,2019-11-21T07:59:36.386Z,11684,0,8,7,27,0,0,151.6,64946,anon3246995772,anon3246995772,"Ráda bych se s Vámi podělila o příběh vztahující se k lékařské péči v České republice. Už odmala jsme celá rodina chodila k zubaři do Jilemnice, i když jsme to měli vždycky z ruky (nejdřív jsme dojížděli z Hostinného, cca 3roky z Horního Maršova, pak z Trutnova a já na vysoký z Prahy). Holt to byl dobrý zubař a jeho služby byly hrazený státem. Pak ale náš zubař odešel do předčasného důchodu. A začalo nekonečné kolečko výměny zubařů a já si začala připadat jak pokusný králík pro studenty medicíny. Jednou jsem i ""lékaři"" musela z lehátka odejít, protože jaksi nevěděl, zda zub, co mi má vrtat je zub hore nebo dole. Ok, všichni občas nevíme, ale zrovna v této chvíli si to zubař měl nechat pro sebe. Vyvolal ve mně nedůvěru a já už k němu nechtěla jít. Tak jsem vyfasovala novou zubařku, hrozně milou ukrajinku, která byla samej úsměv a hezká slova, jak mám krásné zoubky. Což se mi nezdálo, jeden zub mě už delší dobu pobolíval, a tak jsem si zašla k soukromému zubaři do Jihlavy, kde jsem tehdy bydlela. Co si budem povídat, dneska dobří zubaři mají už plno a vám nezbývá než jít k zubaři soukromému, kde za otevření čelisti platíte 3000Kč. Vzhledem k tomu, že mě čekaly 4měsíce v Portugalsku a kaz byl v zubu už delší dobu, tak mě zubařka objednala hned na třetí den na vrtání, za což ji moc děkuji. 
K té ukrajince jsem už samozřejmě nešla a pro změnu z Krkonoš, kde bydlíme, dojíždíme s manželem do Jihlavy. No, žádná hitparáda ohledně dojíždění, ale díky tomu máme další důvod k návštěvě manželovy rodiny. 
No, co závěrem. Myslím si, že problematika nedostatků kvalitních zubařů je v České republice známá všem. V praxi to funguje tak, že vystudovaný student si udělá potřebnou lékařskou praxi v České republice a následně hurá do ciziny za lepšími financemi nebo lepší varianta je, že si někde v ČR otevře svoji soukromou praxi. A sehnat dnes kvalitního zubaře, který je hrazen z prostředků zdravotního systému, je celkem utopie. Má plno a nebere nové pacienty. Ale co taková samoživitelka s dětmi, ta by též chtěla pro sebe a své děti kvalitní lékařkou péči!?
Ale na druhou stranu si myslím, že lékařská péče v České republice je kvalitní a celkově systém dobře nastavený. Hodně cestuji, takže mám porovnání nejen úrovně, ale i systému zabezpečování lékařské péče. A já jsem ráda, že žiju tam kde žiju."
2,64987,2019-11-21T13:36:08.473Z,11684,1,4,3,1,0,0,10.8,64946,anon3353600255,anon3246995772,"Ahoj Deniso, díky moc za sdílení příběhu a za to, že sis k nám našla cestu. Jestli jsem zmiňoval svoje zkušenosti se zdravotnictvím v 90. letech, poseldních 15 let mého života se neslo ve znamení zubů. Naprosto soucítím. Nejdřív paní doktorka v Praze na ZŠ a SŠ (ta samá). Jako fajn, ale poslední návštěva byla pekelná (v 16), ujela jí vrtačka rořízla mi horní měkký patro, nidky jsem nevěděl, jestli v ordinaci vedle cigaret cejtím dezinfekci, nebo něco ostřejšího. Pak jsem pravda čtyři roky nebyl. Pak paní doktorka ""dospělá"" mě pak vlastně vzala, protože k ní chodili oba rodiče. Ze začátku dobrý, ale co člověk sám od sebe neví, že prostě rentgen jednou za čtyři roky nestačí. Zuby se mi pomalu horšily, aniž bych to věděl. Nakonec jsem jednou v sobotu ráno skončil s krutou bolestí v soukromé ambulanci doktora z Ukrajiny, úroveň péče i jednání mě v dobrém slova smyslu zaskočila. aKutní zánět čelisti jsem pak doléčoval u nové pana doktora (soukromá ordinace) poslední rok. Přešli k němu tou dobou rodiče a diagnóza celé rodiny byla stejná - naše kazy byly nedovrtané, zaplombované a zuby nám hnily od prostředka směrem do kosti. Nevylučuju, že bych se ještě někdy rád vrátil do veřejného systému, s tím že už vím jak kvalitní péče vypadá. Pro běžné zákroky není asi ani potřeba super vesmírná technologie, jen přístup a čas na ošetření :/ Ale říkal někde @anon4062071924, tlak na kvalitu se dá vytvářet i zezdola, je akortá potřeba dovzdělat pacienty (pokud možno bezbolestně:)"
3,65045,2019-11-21T18:32:34.326Z,11684,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64987,anon4062071924,anon3353600255,"Hele, to je dobry, ja vcera byl u moji vily zubnicky, mimochodem taky Ukrajinky a dve hodiny mi opravovala zub a nutno rict, ze si dala fakt zalezet - levny to nebylo, ale nebolelo to a doufam, ze je to prace kvalitni. Ale jak rika Denisa, ve srovnani s ostatnima zemema mame ve stomatologii dobrej pomer prize:value. Kamosi Cesi jezdili pravidelne z Kanady zpatky domu prave pro zubare-tam vychazej i beznejsi zakroky na mnoho desitek tisic..."
1,64309,2019-11-16T04:36:02.859Z,11567,1,16,15,46,0,0,300.2,64309,anon3218287029,anon3218287029,"![teorija%26praksaa|288x342,100%](upload://xr09gIMmgbTCj2qQBlOaMTx6GCk.png) 

Pozdrav svima, moje ime je Nataša. Rođena sam u Vukovaru, gde sam završila osnovnu i srednju školu. Nakon toga dolazim u Novi Sad na studije i ovde živim poslednjih desetak godina.
Od malena sam naklonjena humanističkim naukama. Interesuje me lični razvoj kao i poanon1547754019nje drugim ljudima da žive kvalitetnije živote i ispune svoj potencijal. To takođe znači i proučavanje funkcionisanja ljudskog mozga, emocija, mišljenja i ponašanja, međuljudskih odnosa…  kao i težnja za ispunjenjem potreba duše i duhovnog dela sopstva.
Završila sam visoku školu za vaspitače, sa specijalizacijom za likovnu umetnost. Nakon toga završavam osnovne studije psihologije i student sam prve godine master studija poslovne psihologije. Takođe sam edukant treće godine Geštalt škole za psihoterapiju. Smatram da ova edukacija doprinosi mom  profesionalnom i ličnom razvoju.  
Trenutno sam u potrazi za praksom kao psiholog u sektoru ljudskih resursa i planiram da u tom pravcu razvijam svoju karijeru. Mislim da poslovna psihologija i psihoterapija mogu lepo da se uklope u svetu biznisa, kroz bolje razumevanje ljudskih potreba, poboljšanje uslova rada, zadovoljstva poslom, motivaciju zaposlenih, razne edukacije i trenanon3589994963, što sve zajedno utiče na produktivnost na random mestu. Takođe se otvora mogućnost doprinosa kroz psihološki konsalting i intervenciju u organizacijama.
Želja mi je da jednog dana, pored posla u organizaciji, pružam i privatno svoje psihoterapijske usluge.
U slobodno vreme volim da čitam, da se družim i upoznajem nove ljude, boravim u prirodi, eksperimentišem sa vege receptima, slušam muziku i skačem po stanu :) , crtam ili stvaram nešto kreativno. 

Smatram da, ako želimo da učinimo svoj život boljim i menjamo svoju okolinu, trebamo krenuti od uzroka, umesto da se baviti samo posledicama. Ni jedna promena nije laka i ne dolazi brzo, stoga trebamo uzeti odgovornost u svoje ruke i učiniti onoliko koliko je u našoj moći da doprinesemo okolini u kojoj živimo, a posle i šire. Kroz edukovanje mladih možemo društvu pružiti šansu da se postepeno menja i formira bolje i kvalitetnije okruženje. 
Ono što mislim da karakteriše naše prostore jeste generalno nezadovoljstvo životom usled nedostatka prilika za zaposlenjem, lošeg obrazovnog sistema, kriminala i korupcije, zaposlenja preko veze-što podrazumeva zapošljavanja nestručnih kadrova i omalovažavanja kvalitetnih stručnjaka, nedostatka prilika za razvoj mladih, manjka promovisanja pravih vrednosti kroz kulturu i obrazovanje i još mnogo toga. 
Osvrnula bih se detaljnije na jednu od navedenih stavki, a to je – nedostatak prilika za razvoj i uspeh mladih ljudi. Susrećemo se sa apsurdnim zahtevima gde se od kandidata za posao očekuje bogato radno iskustvo i stručnost, a pri tome nedostaje prilika gde bi se takvo radno iskustvo steklo. Ne postoji poveznica između teorije i prakse, kao ni prilike za učenje praktičnih znanja.
Studenti provode minimum tri do pet godina svog života učeći teoriju koju nemaju gde da iskuse. Sa fakulteta  se izlazi sa gomilom informacija, gde se često naučeno razlikuje od primenjenog. Ako osoba ima priliku da se zaposli, susreće se sa tim da neke stvari primenjuje potpuno drugačije od onog što je do tada učila. Ono što takođe opažam, što sam iskusila i na svojoj koži, jeste da postoje poteškoće ne samo pri pronalasku posla, nego i pri traženju prakse ili volonterskog rada. Mladi konkurišu na dosta mesta i ne dobijaju nikakav odgovor ili im kompanija odgovori da trenutno nemaju prilike za praksu. Većina kompanija ne želi da troši svoje vreme na obučavanje mladih ako od toga nemaju određene koristi, tj ako u skorije vreme ne planiraju mesto za novog zaposlenog.
Ukoliko ljudi nemaju sreće da pronađu posao, kasnije se susreću sa ejdžizmom- bivaju diskriminisani zbog toga što do određene dobi nisu stekli priliku za zaposlenje. Mladi ljudi imaju osećaj da gube vreme u ovoj državi bez prilike da iskoriste svoj potencijal, što rezultira odlivom mozgova tj odlaskom u druge zemlje za boljom budućnošču. Smatram da je to anon3213561856astrofalno po naše društvo. 

Želim nekako pridoneti tome da se ova situacija promeni. Verujem da je to moguće i da se možemo ugledati kako to izgleda u nekim razvijenijim državama, gde je sistem obrazovanja moderniji i usklađeniji sa vremenom i potrebama.
Zbog toga smatram da je povezanon598341349je ljudi i ideja jako važno za bilo kakvu promenu u društvu.
Volela bih da postoji način na koji bi fakulteti više sarađivali sa raznim organizacijama. Za sada na nekim fakultetima, uključujući i moj, postoji saradnja sa pojedinim organizacijama u vidu kratke prakse u trajanju od nedelju dana. Smatram da je to premalo da bi se išta naučilo i služi više da bi se studenti bar donekle susreli sa tim kako njihova profesija izgleda u praksi, bez mnogo aktivnog uključanon598341349ja.
Onako kako ja zamišljam pravi vid saradnje jeste da su fakulteti i organizacije mnogo čvršće povezani na način koji je sistemski razrađen za dobrobit svih strana. Saradnja u kojoj bi studenti bar 1-2 puta nedeljno odlazili u kompanije i bili zaista uključeni u posao, te primenjivali znanja koja uče na fakultetu, gde bi program fakulteta pratio aktuelne trendove poslovanja. 
Idealna opcija bi bila promena celog sistema obrazovanja, gde bi npr jedan semester bio teorijski, a drugi praktični, ali to već iziskuje promenu na nivou države, što je jako teško i sporo. Nadam se da bi neki manji, ali vredni koraci doprineli tome u budućnosti.
Kroz ovaj oblik saradnje na nivou od 1-2 puta nedeljno, studenti bi pri završetku studija mogli odmah biti osposoboljeni za rad. Kompanije tj poslodavci bi bili motivisaniji kada bi imali više koristi na način da bi za početak dobijali besplatnu radnu snagu, svežije ideje i poglede na rad, dobijali bi neki vid garancije fakulteta o kvalitetu studenata na praksi, mogli bi da oblikuju studente po svojim potrebama poslovanja i da prate njihov napredak. To bi rezultiralo krajnjim odabirom najkvalitetnijih studenata za zaposlenje, kao i povezanon598341349jem, preporukama za dalju saradnju. Takođe ne bi morali da troše dodatno vreme i novac na obučavanje novozaposlenih. 
Klijenti koji koriste usluge kompanije bi takođe mogli da dobijaju, zavisno od profesije i oblasti rada, usluge studenata po nešto jeftinijoj ceni ili kroz volonterske usluge (npr savetodavne i psihoterapijske usluge). Pitanje je na koji način motivisati organizacije i doprineti njihovom osveštavanju koliko dobrobiti od ove saradnje može imati celokupno društvo. 

Ono što mi se čini kao super ideja jeste da bi za početak bilo dobro kada bi se oformilo bar jedno udruženje/organizacija koja bi svojim delovanjem ohrabrila i pokazala dobar primer ostalima koliko dobra može da se uradi saradnjom i povezanon598341349jem zarad dobrobiti svih. Moja ideja je da ta organizacija bude neko “Udruženje primenjene psihologije” gde bi mogli da budu uključeni stručnjaci iz svih oblasti psiholoških nauka ( gde bi se bavili npr psihologijom rada i menaždmenta ljudskih resursa, psihologijom marketinga, pedagoškom psihologijom, kliničkom psihologijom, mentalnim zdravljem, psihometrijom tj konstrukcijom psiholoških testova, psihoterapijom, pa čak i osnažanon598341349jem mladih da pokrenu svoj privatni biznis itd). Udruženje bi imalo svrhu direktne saradnje sa fakultetima psihologije, gde bi studenti obavljali redovnu praksu uz mentorisanje stručnjaka. Na taj način bi pripremili studente za rad pri samom završetku fakulteta. Ovo udruženje bi vremenom imalo i mogućnost proširenja kroz zaposlenje studenata, kao i povezanon598341349je studenata sa organizacijama koje bi na najbolji način dolazili do proverenog stručnog kadra.

Svi smo deo jedne velike celine i naše akcije itekako utiču na sve oko nas. Mada, čini mi se da u današnje vreme ljude sve češće treba podsećati da su društvena bića i da će čak i kao jedinke za sebe mnogo brže napredovati ako su povezani međusobno na pravi način.  Svesna sam da je to veliki izazov za nas, sve dok su ljudi u poziciji preživljavanja i borbe za opstanak, zato želim da vremenom svi postanemo deo ove promene.  Volela bih da što više osoba na ovim prostorima dobije priliku da oseti šta stvarno znači samoaktualizacija kao i rad za dobrobit svih, koji smatram da nas najviše oplemenjuje, kao i da postoji nešto mnogo uzvišenije od samog robovanja novcu. 

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2,64348,2019-11-16T12:16:50.054Z,11567,1,13,12,5,0,0,32.6,64309,anon2614214130,anon3218287029,"Ćao, Nataša i dobrodošla u našu zajednicu!
Hvala što si podelila svoju priču i svoje stavove sa nama.
Sećam se kada sam ja bila student da su rođaci iz inostranstva bili šokirani što nemam neki part time studentski posao, verovatno su mislili da ja izmišljam da takve stvari gotovo da ne postoje ovde. Moja kuma u Italiji je išla na praksu u jednu firmu još od samog početka studija. Oni su je oblikovali kako im odgovara, mislim da su joj čak i plaćali nešto i kad je diplomirala odmah je počela da radi kod njih. Što ti kažeš-svima dobro!! I njoj a i firmi.
Ta ideja ti je super. Jako malo i znam o takvim stvarima, pa cak i da li to uopšte postoji.
Psihologija je oduvek bila nešto što me zanima i dvoumila sam se da li ću studirati psihologiju ili jezike ali ipak sam se odlučila za jezike. Zadnje 2-3 godine se intenzivno bavim spiritualnim temama i radom na sebi. Ono što mi se potpuno promenilo jeste baš mišljenje o tome da li je zaista situacija oko nas triger za naše nezadovoljstvo. Pritom znam dosta veoma uspešnih ljudi koji su nezadovoljni. Da li ti kao psiholog smatraš da je nezadovoljstvo uzrok ili posledica neželjenog života?

Kada je reč o samoj ideji tvojoj, ako se budeš odlučila da se time baviš i da to pokreneš- računaj na moju pomoć, kako god da mogu da doprinesem!"
3,64489,2019-11-18T11:49:46.181Z,11567,2,11,10,4,0,0,62.2,64309,anon677212598,anon3218287029,"Continuing the discussion from [Mogućnosti za razvoj i uspeh mladih ljudi - povezanon598341349je teorijskog i praktičnog znanja](https://edgeryders.eu/t/mogucnosti-za-razvoj-i-uspeh-mladih-ljudi-povezanon598341349je-teorijskog-i-prakticnog-znanja/11567):

Ćao Nataša.
Mogu da podelim neka zapažanja iz privrede i u malim i velikim kompanijama.
Zapravo, kadrovska služba je jako nebitan posao za većinu poslodavaca i činjenica je da ga u malim preduzećima zapostavaljaju (ništa manje ni u većim) tako što ga predaju ili nekompetentim ljudima ili ne ulažu ništa u njega kao što se ulaže u druge sektore. Po meni su tu najkompetentniji ljudi sa završenim filozofskim fakultetom, kao što si ti, ali poslodavcima i firmama je to i dalje na žalost nebitno. Njima je bitno da neko odradi papirologije oko ugovora pri zaposlenju i da eventualno odaberu kandidata koji konkuriše za dređenu poziciju, ta prime onog koji je pristao na najmanju nadnicu a ima najviše iskustva. Retko se tu procenjuju psihološki profili, a svakako posle nekog vremena vidi se da li se čovek uklopio u sredinu ili ne. Nekad su u situaciji ""daj šta daš"", pogotovo za neke nisko plaćene poslove i tu se ništa ne bira niti vodi računa. A zapravo tu je ogroman broj ljudi kojima treba psihološka pomoć... Eto nove teme :). 
Koliko sam do sada uvideo kompaniji je najbitnije da se neko uklopi, a posao će naučiti jer uvek neki nov posao koji mora da se uči kad god promenimo firmu. Neke pojedinosti o HR njegovoj ulozi u preduzeću i možemo razmeniti usmeno ili napraviti još neki post kad uzmognem.
Drugo, možda treba razmilsiti o agenciji za HR usluge? Naravno i ona može da se bavi obrazovanjem i tačnije i treba. Znam da velike kompanije unajme tako neku firmu da im odradi grubu selekciju kandidata u slučaju da im se pojavi 200 prijava za samo nekoliko pozicija. Nekako to sa mladima i podstiacnje zapošljavanja i ta NVO priča nešto mi nije održiva, a postoje biroi za zapošljavanja. Znamo svi iz koje pozicije moći možemo da menjamo npr sistem obrazovanja u nas. ;)
Recimo ako bi osnovala takvu svoju firmu, tu bi mogli da volontiraju/stažiraju ili za malu naknadu rade kako tvoji budući zaposleni tako i ljudi koji će se zapošljavati negde u HR ili KS (kadrovska služba). ;D
Lični razvoj u radnoj sredini je jako bitan i u kompanijama HR treba da ima ulogu u tom poslu, ali to su jako retke kompanije koje imaju takve politike prema zaposlenima.
Na temu samorazvoja ili individuacije imam zanimljivu preporuku, doduše korporativnu mada može svuda da se primeni: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkKSJSqU-I&t=10s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkKSJSqU-I&t=10s)  da se pročita natenane cela knjiga Tribal Leadership :slight_smile: 
Ima svašta da se priča na ove teme, te bih najradije ostavio za usmenu raspravu.
Pozdravljam"
4,64606,2019-11-19T04:40:12.212Z,11567,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,64489,anon3346229079,anon677212598,"Hmmm ne znam koliko se to u Srbiji praktikuje ali u Belgiji se studenti mogu naci svuda na praksi (i srednjoskolci za vreme praznika). Vjerovatno je finansijski zanimljivo ako to firme toliko rade tako da sigurno postoji nacin da se zainteresuju firme i u Srbiji.
Takve promjene u sistemu obrazovanja naravno mozemo zaboraviti u blizoj buducnosti...tu bi se bas trebala pokrenuti jaca kampanja na nivou drzave.

Svidja mi se tvoja ideja za firmu, cini mi se da tu ima prostora za razvoj. Ja bi cak dodao, zasto ne napraviti vezu izmedju studenata u Srbiji i stranih firmi? Danas vec postoje mnogi poslovi koji se u odredjenom stepenu mogu raditi na daljinu ili od kuce. U buducnosti ce to biti puno lakse. Ulazu se miliarde u razvoj virtualne stvarnosti tako da mozemo uskoro ocekivati i virtualne kancelarije itd...vrijedi biti pionir u tom pravcu :wink:."
5,64607,2019-11-19T05:41:34.637Z,11567,0,10,9,1,1,0,22.0,64309,anon3346229079,anon3218287029,"[quote=""anon3218287029, post:1, topic:11567""]
Smatram da, ako želimo da učinimo svoj život boljim i menjamo svoju okolinu, trebamo krenuti od uzroka, umesto da se baviti samo posledicama. Ni jedna promena nije laka i ne dolazi brzo, stoga trebamo uzeti odgovornost u svoje ruke i učiniti onoliko koliko je u našoj moći da doprinesemo okolini u kojoj živimo, a posle i šire. Kroz edukovanje mladih možemo društvu pružiti šansu da se postepeno menja i formira bolje i kvalitetnije okruženje.
Ono što mislim da karakteriše naše prostore jeste generalno nezadovoljstvo životom usled nedostatka prilika za zaposlenjem, lošeg obrazovnog sistema, kriminala i korupcije, zaposlenja preko veze-što podrazumeva zapošljavanja nestručnih kadrova i omalovažavanja kvalitetnih stručnjaka, nedostatka prilika za razvoj mladih, manjka promovisanja pravih vrednosti kroz kulturu i obrazovanje i još mnogo toga.
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**Pravo u centar!**

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Ono što mi se čini kao super ideja jeste da bi za početak bilo dobro kada bi se oformilo bar jedno udruženje/organizacija koja bi svojim delovanjem ohrabrila i pokazala dobar primer ostalima koliko dobra može da se uradi saradnjom i povezanon598341349jem zarad dobrobiti svih.
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Ja i jos par osoba sad raspravljamo o stvaranju udruzenja koje ce imati misiju totalno sinhronizovanu sa tvojim prioritetima, doduse mi nismo svi psiholozi :stuck_out_tongue: a ne mislim ni da treba da budemo. Stovise, mislim da, kad bi okupila sve te psihologe na jedno mjesto, bi vam bilo potrebno par psihologa da vas sprece da zavrsite u mentalnim institucijama :smiley:.

Ukratko, potrudicemo se maksimizovati prilike za razvoj i uspijeh mladih ljudi. Da otkriju sto ih cini srecnim, i ostvare se radeci stvari koje ih ispunjavaju, na taj doprinesu i drustvu kroz ostvaranon598341349je svog punog potencijala. 

Postoje razni nacini, pored toga sto si ti nabrojala:

* Stvaranje mjesta kao sto je centar za inovacije koji pokrecemo u Beceju (budjenje kreativnosti kod mladih, ucenje novih vestina i direktno povezanon598341349je sa prakticnom primjenom, jacanje duha preduzetnistva, administrativna podrska svima koji zele pokrenuti firme)

* Povezanon598341349je sa iskusnim mentorima iz sektora koji ih interesuje i pristup sirokoj mrezi organizacija koje su stalno u potrazi za velikim potencijalom)

* Razmjena studenata sa Finskom (i slicnim zemljama koje imaju fokus na prakticnom dijelu) posto je to zemlja sa izuzetnim obrazovnim sistemom gdje se fokus upravo stavlja na prakticni trening u dosta ranom dobu.
[Primjer ovdje](https://studyguide.jamk.fi/en/study-guide-bachelors-degrees/studying-at-jamk/practical-training/)

* Stvaranje mreze studenata kroz razne evente. Studenti npr mogu da naprave svoje profile sa znanjem i interesovanjima. Tako moze da se radi i mobilizacija studenata za drustveno odgovorne projekte, tako ce se vidjeti ko je najvise aktanon598341349 i sposoban. Konacno, imati ekipu koja nalazi zanimljive tendere i aplicira na njih a kad dobije finansiranje preko tendera trazi osobe za implementaciju projeanon3213561856a medju najaktivnijim/najsposobnijim studentima. Tako studenti mogu dobiti jako vazno iskustvo u stvarnom radu i na projektima koji ih bas interesuju a uz to i finansijsku nadoknadu a oni ce startupove kostati manje nego jako iskusni ljudi naravno. Druga opcija je, napraviti ekipe sa studentima zavisno od tendera na koji se planiramo prijaviti i od pocetka krenuti kao startup gdje su studenti partneri.
Ima tu puno opcija...i jaaaaaako puno tendera.

* Mogu da se rade i eventi sa odredjenim ciljem. Na primjer, odredimo 3 konkretna problema koji se mogu rjesiti u drustvu oko nas. Napravimo otvoren poziv za sve (nesto kao hacanon3213561856on u IT svijetu) gdje treba da se formiraju ekipe i za vreme 24 sata ili 48 sati treba da nadju rijesenje za neki od ta 3 problema.
Poslje komisija ocijenjuje rijesenja i pomaze im da najbolja rijesenja implementiraju. Postoji nesto zajednicko za skoro sve uspijesne firme na svijetu: One su rijesile neki problem :slight_smile:."
6,65006,2019-11-21T15:07:23.752Z,11567,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,64348,anon3218287029,anon2614214130,"Ćao Tamara :)
Nemam informaciju da li postoji baš takva opcija za organizaciju koja nudi prakse, to je više bila neka moja želja kako bih volela da stvari izgledaju. Još uvek nisam sigurna kako to ostvariti, definitivno bi dobrodošla svaka vrsta pomoći ili saveta.
Kaže mi npr prijateljica koja se odselila u Irsku da je tamo mnogo bolje osmišljen sistem obrazovanja i da sa svakom godinom školovanja može da se dobije određeni stepen i mogućnosti zaposlenja sa tim stepenom obrazovanja. Takođe kaže da je program osmišljen tako da je dosta toga praktično, te kada završe fakultet već su donekle spremni za rad. O tako nečemu ovde možemo još uvek da sanjamo. 
Što se tiče nezadovoljstva životom i uopšte motivacije za određene promene, rekla bih da se može gledati iz oba ugla. Uvek postoje individualne razlike. Nekoga loša situacija demotiviše, neko iz nje crpi motivaciju. Ipak mislim da je mnogo teže ukoliko su čoveku ugrožene neke bazične, egzistencijalne potrebe. Što su više ugrožene bazične potrebe ljudi su nezadovoljniji, što će otežavati i ostavljati manje prostora za ostvarenje njihovih potreba višeg reda. Ovu potvrdu možemo videti na našem području gde mnogi ljudi jedva preživljavaju i još uvek im je najveći motivator visina zarade.
Isto tako oni koji nisu egzistencijalno ugroženi, mogu već da razmišljaju o nekoj samoaktualizaciji, tj njima više nije toliko motivator novac nego ispunjenje sopstvenih potencijala. Naravno, postoje i uspešni ljudi koji su nezadovoljni. To zavisi stvarno od mnogo faktora i od crta ličnosti , vaspitanja, socijalne sredine, iskustava i od toga šta za nekog lično predstavlja uspeh. Takođe je jedne od ključnih stvari i samosvest. 
Sama negativnost i hejtovanje situacije u kojoj smo nema smisla ukoliko ta kritika ne služi kao inspiracija za neku diskusiju, konstruktanon598341349 razgovor i potencijalna rešenja. Više fokusa na problem, a malo na rešenje donosi samo još više zapažanja negativnih stvari. Svi imamo neke svoje nesvesne mehanizme, ali što više radimo na sebi pre ćemo ih prepoznati, prekinuti na vreme i usmeriti se u nekom drugom pravcu."
7,65007,2019-11-21T15:19:32.113Z,11567,0,10,9,2,0,0,12.0,64489,anon3218287029,anon677212598,"Pozdrav :) 
Da, svesna sam kakva je situacija, pogotovo u državnim firmama je taj zastareli način rada u kadrovskoj. Lično sam se bazirala na neke internacionalne kompanije i IT sector jer smatram da oni najviše uvode promene na tom polju, više ulažu u zaposlene i tu HR već ima priliku za širi izbor posla i malo kreativniji rad.
Slažem se da je jako bitno da se osoba uklopi u kolektiv i zato takođe jeste bitan dobar hr stručnjak koji će prepoznati vrednosti kandidata i koliko se one poklapaju sa vrednostima i kulturom organizacije. 
Mislim da se važnost psihologa zanemaruje samim tim što rezultati rada nisu instant vidljivi već je za to potrebno neko vreme.
Postoje agencije za hr usluge i sve to ok, ali ja trenutno nemam mogućnosti za tako nešto jer sam i sama jedna od tih kojima treba još prakse. :) 
Generalno imam u glavi ideju da bih volela da imam svoj centar koji će nuditi razne vrste psiholoških usluga, kao i mogućnost prakse ali do tada… 
Više sam se bazirala na to kako podsticati organizacije da više sarađuju sa fakultetima ili baš da postoji posebna organizacija koja će nuditi prakse iz raznih oblasti a ne samo poslovne psihologije. To je naravno bila samo moja ideja, ne znam još uvek koliko je izvodiva.
Hvala na preporuci za knjigu!"
1,64809,2019-11-20T08:44:12.189Z,11664,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,64809,anon1218389281,anon1218389281,"I am anon1218389281, I live in Prague, and I am currently a personal director of a dance school InDance, recently have been Secretary general of International Young Naturefriends.

**What drives you and motivates you in the situation in your country? Or what frustrates you so much that you just can’t let it be? (if you’re an activist, or a person engaged in some kind of struggle, or you see something very specific not working properly in your community/family?)**

I think, despite some general sentiments, frustration and “ostalgy” in the Czech society which brought in 2013 to power populistic movement ANO and, paradoxically President Miloš Zeman (who was in background of a lot of what frustrated people who voted for him afterall), Czech Republic is on a good path towards becoming a well-developed Western-style country. However, those described trends are pushing against this tendency. I believe that it is a struggle between the conservative part of the population, the older people still raised during communist times, and the younger people of my generation and younger, but we can ́t rely just on this.

I think most of the challenges our society faces, are connected with this - e.g. we can adapt to the climate change (draughts etc.) way more efficiently, when there is a good will for that and ability to take the personal responsibility. I wouldn ́t say I am an activist. It ́s hard to instigate my heart into strong topics and generally I have always been the “invisible leader” in the background - rather using my rational skills for writing projects etc., so people with stronger desires could have space for being activists. Sometimes I am even a bit cynical about this. My approach is rather psychological than political - we need to work on cultivating ourselves, on our ability to accept our inner shadow, and therefore the responsibility for our actions, which will then allow us for efficient social change.

**Since we’re trying to understand the political context and why people vote for populist politicians in the Czech Republic, I’d like to ask why are these so appealing these days? What needs, dreams, ambitions do they promise to fulfill?**

I think there ́s almost no constructive ambition - they simply promise to keep things as much as they are, as possible. Kind of like pretending that there is no time floating and we can stay the way we always were - no immigrants, no need to learn new technologies, no need to adapt ourselves to anything. “Give me your voice and shut up,” is a paradigm those people will gladly accept, since it takes the personal responsibility from them, and they are just fine with it. Some old people have never grown up from being children, and they are a great target groups for the populists. You can see it now with Mr. Babiš who is himself acting like a child with all the affairs, the trial that is on him etc. - just kicking things away and screaming, but those people don ́t see it as a problem, since that ́s exactly the approach to the responsibility they would take themselves. So we circle back to the matter of responsibility.

**Are Czechs positive about their future? What’s the spirit in the country nowadays, and how has it been changing over the past years?**

Not really sure. I think the momentum of the democracy building has been lost some time ago, and there is rather scepticism about the way we are going to develop - maybe also in the light of the immient climate crisis which will probably hit CZ quite hard."
2,64904,2019-11-20T17:29:10.204Z,11664,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64809,anon4062071924,anon1218389281,"Hey anon1218389281, if you would like, join us on POPrebel festival this Saturday afternoon in Cross Club to discuss it more deep :) 

https://www.facebook.com/events/1211898378997747/

Looking forward to see you, man!"
3,64985,2019-11-21T13:13:38.232Z,11664,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,64809,anon3353600255,anon1218389281,"Hi anon1218389281, welcome to the forum and thanks a lot for sharing! I think you made an excellent point, it is often really about us as individuals to make our decisions. We cannot always externalise these decisions to higher powers, or just accept bad practices from around us in an alibistic way.  Sometimes, I feel like there is a general frustration in our society that hard for the most to specify a self-analyse. People are told - in a. very simplistic way - our country has not been better ever before, so if you feel bad, it is the fault of immigrants, intellectuals, Prague coffee-house and what not.. Do you think there is a way of breaking this circle? Is there a way in which public figures can help and people themselves can relieve the surpressed negative feelings? Or do you have any personal experience/way of helping out your family, friends etc.?"
1,64772,2019-11-19T20:45:16.102Z,11659,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,64772,anon3786388037,anon3786388037,"Zrovna nedávno se mi zase nakupily tak, že z nich byla pořádná věž. Eiffelovka z krabic. Občas mi krabici někdo přinese, občas si jí pořídim sám. A tak jí vždycky ledabyle hodim za sebe a dál se tim nezabejvám. Hlavně jí nemít na očích. Občas jsou i 2, 3 za den, spíš se ale ty mrchy kupěj tak nějak postupně a nenápadně. A hromada roste a roste...a BAM!

Hromada spadne. Nevyhnutelně v určitym bodě spadne, když si na to člověk nedává pozor a nesleduje to. A taky, že mi spadla. Tenn binec pak...lidi kolem mě nemohli ani pořádně chodit, protože už to nebyla hromada jenom do vejšky. Jak krabice spadly, rozkutálely se všude a ""svojí"" krabici pak dostal kde kdo kolem mě. Bylo mi to najednou pěkně trapný, že zapleveluju život ostatních svejma kartonovejma krychlema. A bylo mi to taky líto...takže nějaký ty omluvy okolí a tak. A přitom už mi to pár lidí řikalo - ""dávej si na to pozor, nevrš to na sebe, rozkládej ty krabice postupně. Zbavuj se jich, ať z nich zase nemáš věž, která je nebezpečná tobě i ostatním"". No jo, se lehko řekne...

Ok, tentokrát si na to budu myslet. Jasně, už jsem to řikal 100x před tim, ale důležitý je to nevzdat a zkoušet. Třeba to tentokrát vyjde - dostanu krabici nebo si jí pořídim a šup, pěkně si jí ještě ten den nebo hned další rozložim. Žádný věže.

Rozkládáním k pohodě svojí i pohodě okolí.

Takže - když se nasereš nebo cejtíš křivdu, vypořádej se s tim - potýrej tělo, vydávej táhlý tóny na flétnu, běž si zařvat do sklepa, cokoliv. Neházej to za sebe. Když to totiž budeš nechávat, resp. házet za hlavu, tak se to bude kumulovat a můžeš jednoho krásnýho dne vybouchnout. A pak řekneš a uděláš věci, kterejch budeš litovat. Jasně, ne každej je rapl a nasírací typ - good for you (a pro vaše blízký). Ale pro ostatní - cesta k životu ve větší pohodě vede přes průběžný zbavování se nahromaděný negativity. Ne přes měsíční předstírání ZENu a pak nenadálou sopečnou činnost. 

A jak řešíte nahromadění negativity ve vašem životě vy? Stavíte si věže z krabic nebo je umíte průběžně rozkládat? Jsem zvědavej na vaše příběhy/postřehy!

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Poznámka: nejsem žádnej terapeut ani doktor, ale kancl krysa. Mam za sebou nicméně půlroční kurz anger managementu, takže nějaký moudra o vzteku jsem nasosal a rád tohle téma někdy v dalším příspěvku rozvinu, pokud se ukáže, že je pro vás zajímavý. A hlavně se tu určitě dozvim zajímavý zkušenosti od vás!"
2,64807,2019-11-20T08:29:13.463Z,11659,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64772,anon3353600255,anon3786388037,"Ahoj, díky moc za skvělej příspěvek a to, že sis k nám našel cestu! Super téma - já osobně se snažím měnit protředí. Pokud chci vypustit negativní páru, mám na to určitý bezpečný zóny, kde jsem mimo normální kontext a to co mě štve, na mě nemůže, nechávám to venku. Když se pak vracím zpátky do normálu, tak cejtím určitej odstup. Pro mě to neznamená, že si tam jdu zaboxovat, v mým případě je to konkrétně třeba zkoušení s kapelou s partou kamarádů, jazykovej kurz..vždycky jsem to tak trochu měl, že jsem se snažil dělat hodně věcí najednou, což už v mým věku dnes úplně nejde. Tím spíš ale ta převládající pracovní aktivita geenruje koncentrovaný negace (i když mám štěstí, že v mém případě nijak zásadní), který se potom tím víc nepřenášejí do těch ostatních činností. V podstatě kdykoliv donutím svůj mozek ""vypnout"" tu hlavní kontinuální linku, si obrovsky odpočinu. Má někdo další jiný tipy?"
3,64852,2019-11-20T12:58:24.735Z,11659,1,3,2,1,0,0,25.6,64772,anon4062071924,anon3786388037,"Krásná parafráze s těma krabicema, o kurzu anger managementu slyším prve. Pociťuju podobný pocity snad každý pondělí v práci na poradě: na jednu stranu stres z dalšího pracovního tejdne (nestíhá se, i kdyby se stíhalo), na straně druhý lítost z konce příliš krátkýho víkendu... Proto už asi 5 let vedu každý pondělí večer florbalovej trénink for fun s kamarádama. Jednak se při tý poradě můžu držet v ZENu a těšit se, jak si tu frustraci vyběhám večer, ale je to taky příjemný rozhejbání po třeba náročným víkendu... no a je to taky alibi pro pondělní pivko na zahnání posportovní žízně (rozbor elektronickou tužkou :)"
4,64978,2019-11-21T12:55:17.172Z,11659,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,64852,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Jedna ze safe-zón, kam se občas uchyluju taky, ale jenmo na tu tužku :)"
1,64544,2019-11-18T16:38:16.890Z,11613,0,10,9,2,0,0,42.0,64544,anon3738111943,anon3738111943,"Když jsem byl malý, měli jsme na Vánoce krásný zvyk. Místo toho, abychom si koupili vykuchaného kapra a pak jej v onu hodinu pozřeli v trojobalu, přinesli jsme rybu živou domů. Ubytovali jsme Vašíka (jak se každý náš kapr jmenoval) ve vaně a já jej pak celé odpoledne otáčel bříškem dolů, pouštěl vodu z kohoutku a trnul, jestli vůbec přežije. Když pak Vašek v noci vyskakoval z vany na zem, bylo vyhráno a kamarád byl zachráněn. Když byl dobrý rok, zůstal s námi i týden. Některé roky ale musel pryč už druhý nebo třetí den. To jsme ho pak dali do kýblu a vydali se na autobus. Kapr zřejmě cítil svobodu už ve stotřicetsedmičce a výskoky z kýblu se o ni hlásil. Nakonec však pokaždé vše dobře dopadlo a my jsme jej mohli na náplavce na Smíchově vypustit do Vltavy. S radostí nám zamával ploutví a já byl šťastný, že jsme ho zachránili. Až teprve později jsem se dozvěděl, že kapr nejspíše neměl radost, ani z vany ani z řeky, a že se Nového roku s velkou pravděpodobností nedožil. Navíc původní přirozený výskyt kapra je nejblíže v povodí řeky Dunaje a do Čech byl, přestože již poměrně dávno, zavlečen lidmi. Jeho výskyt způsobuje změny v ekosystému. Kapr víří substrát dna a tím zamezuje průchodu světla do vody a uvolňuje živiny, které se na dno usadily. Nejhorší dopad na krajinu má však hospodářství spojené s jeho chovem. Copak kapří rybníky v jižních Čechách, které pro ně byly vybudované, ale slepá ramena řek, tůně i další vodní plochy jsou prakticky bez živáčka, až na všude přítomné kapry. Což o to, já mám Vašíky rád, ale možná by se soukromí majitelé mohli zamyslet nad tím, jestli není pět kaprů na litr vody trochu přes čáru."
2,64590,2019-11-18T21:36:05.082Z,11613,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,64544,anon3353600255,anon3738111943,"Ahoj Jindro, díky moc příspěvek a to, že sis k nám našel cestu. Věc, nad kterou se vlastně už doby dospívání zamejšlím, jsou předvánoční veřejné masakry a ulice zbarvené krví - na druhou stranu je to taková ta klasická slepota k tomu, že kuřecí řízek vznikal za možná i horších podmínek, akorát jsem to neviděl, tak mi to vizuálně nevadí. Ale někdy si řikám, že by mi stačil i ten salát. 
Nicméně mi vlastně nikdy nedošlo, že masově pěstovaní kapři představujou takovej problém i v ekosystému - existuje nějaká statistika kolik jinak potenciálně inherentně ""živých"" vodních ploch je tímhle způsobem postiženo?"
3,64895,2019-11-20T16:04:38.126Z,11613,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,64544,anon4062071924,anon3738111943,"Čau Jindro, to je hezký zamyšlení - u nás, aby se dostálo rybí tradici, jí místo kapra losos dovezenej z chovu v Norsku - nějak máme za to, že je to přirozeněji získaný maso... Ale možná je to jen náš povrchní dojem... Zas ta ekologická stopa, žejo... Napadá tě, jak to teda zanedlouho udělat, aby se člověk štědrovečerní podle tradice ""nažral"" a ryba zůstala celá? ;)"
1,64576,2019-11-18T19:58:32.018Z,11620,0,8,7,2,0,0,26.6,64576,anon1973237533,anon1973237533,"![](https://zvolsi.info/app/uploads/2017/08/7_greatmoonhoax-e1541002209908-960x675.jpg)

Hodně dlouho jsem se rozhodoval, ke kterýmu tématu přidám svůj pohled na věc. Popravdě jsem se dlouho vůbec dokopával k tomu něco napsat. A asi bych ani nic nenapsal, kdyby mě o to můj dobrej kámoš nepožádal. 

Nicméně bych se tady rád podělil o svůj nedávnej zážitek. 

Sedím takhle jednou už celkem pozdě u počítače a v rámci prokrastinace dělám určitě něco naprosto neužitečnýho. Když na mě blikne přijatá zpráva na fejsbůku. Je to zpráva v konverzační skupině rodina. Tu skupinu máme s blízkejma členama rodiny, abychom zůstali v kontaktu. Hážem si tam fotky, zajímavý linky a píšem si, kdo se jak zrovna má. No a do tý skupiny ségra poslala video cca z roku 2014 o tom, jak bude vypadat Evropa za 10 let. 

Byl to takovej ten klasickej propagandistickej hoax bullshit, kterej se celkem masivně šířil internetem před minulejma parlamentníma a prezidentskejma volbama. Bylo v něm něco ve smyslu, že do deseti let zaplaví Evropu džihádisti, všem nám uřežou hlavy, znásilněj naše ženy a zabijou naše děti. To mě samozřejmě vytočilo. Video jsem znal už z minula, a rozčílilo mě, že ségra šíří takový kraviny. Navíc ve skupině, kde to vidí mamka nebo babička, který se už takhle bojej, že se nám v tom hrozným světě něco stane. Načež jsme si se ségrou sáhodlouze vyměňovali názory. Trochu ostřeji než bych chtěl. A stejně jsem ji nepřesvědčil, že je to blbost. 

A proč to píšu? Chtěl jsem říct, že mě naše hádka utvrdila v mý domněnce, že náboženství je zlo. 

Nejsem věřící, ikdyž jsem vychovanej podle, jak se říká, křesťanských hodnot. Jakože nezabiješ, nepokradeš, miluj bližního svýho a tak. Jakože podle těch hodnot, kterýma se tak vehementně oháněj všichni, kteří by všechny imigranty nejraději posílali do plynu, svý rodiče šoupli do domova důchodců a svýmu sousedovi přejou všechno nejhorší. Ale to je zase jiný téma. 

Každopádně do kostela nechodím a v Boha nevěřim. Je sice fajn, že se lidi maj komu svěřit a k čemu obrátit, když je jim těžko. Ale ve chvíli, kdy začnou podnianon3213561856 křižácký výpravy, upalovat sousedky jako čarodějnice, zneužívat děti nebo se odpalovat v autobusech plnejch lidí, tak je něco špatně.

Věřim v to, že existuje něco víc, než může náš malej mozeček pobrat. Možná, že je nějakej osud. Možná, že existuje karma. A možná, že my si ten osud a vesmír, ve kterým žijeme, vytváříme sami. Ale rozhodně tomu nebudu říanon3213561856 Bůh a nepůjdu kvůli tomu zabíjet jiný lidi. Říkám tomu prostě příroda."
2,64594,2019-11-18T22:35:02.795Z,11620,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64576,anon3353600255,anon1973237533,"Ahoj Vojto, díky moc za příspěvek a sdílení osobního příběhu. Vlastně`s otevřel celou řadu dost zásadních otázek. Byl jsem náhodou včera nakupovat nějaký dárky-knížky a v jednom větším knihkupectví jsem náhodou narazil na doslova hromadu těhletěch publikací: https://www.mobaknihy.cz/kronika-zaniku-evropy.html. Zajímavý bylo, že byla schovaná úplně vzádu v rohu za bukem, skoro jako by se za ni knihkupectví tak trochu stydělo - ale evidentně se jedná o nastávající hit vánoční sezóny. Knížku jsem nečetl, nemůžu ji hodnotit, nevím jak přesně ji intepretovat jinak než podle názvu a obalu. Každopádně pro základní vnější kritiku pramene mi stačilo, že nakladatelství Moba není známé zrovna filozofickou produkcí a trochu perlička, autor je na zadní straně titulován jako ""zakladatel rodu"":). Tak mě napadlo, jestli chápu apokalyptický abstrakt správně, kolika jak řikáš maminkám a babičkám zpříjemní Vánoce. Autor sám uvádí, že jde o dílo literární a má určitě plný právo dát své fantazii průchod. Nejlepším lékem se mi zdá nabízet i opačný pohled prostřednictvím třeba knížky, která situaci popisuje jinak, snad existuje alespoň jedna do páru ke každý strašící. S lidma, který už názor mají, je pak občas náročný hnout (já jsem taky docela tvrdohlavej, ale snažím se:) 
Já sám v božstva taky nevěřím, ale zase si říkám, že každá myšlenka se dá ""unést"" a proměnit v kolektivní identitu, která si vyžaduje loajalitu. U nás křesťanský hodnoty unesl Tomio Okamura a prodává svoji verzi líp než sama křesťansko-demokratická strana v zemi kde většina neví, co křesťanský hodnoty jsou a tak si to rádi nechají vysvětlit od někoho kdo hodně křičí - zároveň by měl potíž s maturitou z dějepisu a přitom všechny argumenty podkládá ""historií"". Předpokládám, že v muslimském světě to asi funguje obdobně.."
3,64873,2019-11-20T13:24:18.190Z,11620,0,3,2,1,0,0,20.6,64576,anon4062071924,anon1973237533,"Ahoj Vojto, dík za příspěvek, musím se podělit o podobnou zkušenost - v rodině máme taky pár členů, kteří mají naprosto jasno (jakože jsem od nich někdy slyšel něco ve stylu, že za komunismu bylo v jistých ohledech líp - ale protože byli moji rodiče aktivní disidenti, nikdy jsem to explicitně neslyšel...). Když jsem oněm zmíněným před nějakou dobou na rodinný sešlosti ukazoval tuhle platformu Edgeryders, vyvolal jsem naprosto afektovanou hádku (pocitovou, bez argumentů) o tom, co že si to EU zase vymýšlí a proč nepodporuje radši ""normálního člověka"", což mi přišlo poměrně smutný... Můj argument, že tvorba virtuální ""občanský"" komunity je podle mě rozhodně prospěšná vyslyšen nebyl a velmi rychle se hovor ztočil na flame proti jakkoli vyšší myšlence (než je zvyšování důchodů nebo omezování soc. dávek ""neprizpusobivým). Debata se v rámci zachování kultury stolování změnila radši na klábosení o počasí... Kroniku zániku Evropy vod Ježíška nedostanou, ale když tak přemýšlím, koho tahle část mojich genů asi volí, na Letnou jsem je ani nezval... Jen přemýšlím, jestli je tohle patová situace navždy... Vojto, když se k původní diskusi se ségrou vrátíš, je to už tolerantnejší a faktičtější diskuse, než onehdá nad tim hoaxem? :)"
1,64765,2019-11-19T20:27:47.758Z,11658,0,12,11,2,0,0,42.4,64765,anon3000752698,anon3000752698,"Klondajk, Jednoho krasnyho vecera, sme se s partickou lidi dohodli, ze pojedem na punk koncert do pece. Super napad, jedem. Party se rozjizdela svizne a tak zanedlouho sme pobihali pod strechou klubu, kde je moznost si zaskaanon3213561856 ze záanon3121054521lí do matraci, tak sme nevahali a zacali metat backflipy jak pominuty. Po neskutecne dlouhym pogu z nekompromisnima polakama, se ocitame venku v potycce se zminovanymi polaky, kde se začlo mydlit dost lidi. Ja abych tomu vsemu zabranil, tak sem udelal, co nikdo necekal. Skocil sem sipku do prilehleho potoka, kde v unoru nebyla voda a ja prozil tri metrovy pad do sutru, srovnatelnych s king kongovou stolici. Tvrdsi naraz sem nezazil nikdy predtim ani potom. Ale byl happy end, krom myho ksichtu, ktery byl pobitej a bez sesti zubu. Polaci uprchli, me se rany zahojili, chemicky dodelaly zuby a za penize z pojistovny, sem prozil krasny casy v asii. Hezky den 😊"
2,64805,2019-11-20T08:11:00.010Z,11658,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,64765,anon4241195410,anon3000752698,"wow, tak to respekt :)"
3,64808,2019-11-20T08:32:40.029Z,11658,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,64765,anon3353600255,anon3000752698,Díky moc za příspěvek. Tak to je fakt happy end jak vyšitej:)) A následky dlouhodobý jinak žádný? A kam jsi přesně cestoval:)?
4,64831,2019-11-20T11:46:31.000Z,11658,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,64808,anon3000752698,anon3353600255,"Trosku tim utrpeli zuby, hla se mi cela čelist, ale nic zavaznyho. Jinak sem jel na mesic do vietnamu 🤙

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5,64850,2019-11-20T12:50:39.394Z,11658,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64765,anon4062071924,anon3000752698,"Dik za post, kterej vnáší aspoň trochu pozitivního světla na ty naše zdravotní útrapy spojené často s neefektivním zdravotnictvím - u tebe to vypadá jako win-win: zastavil si bitku, za což si byl (zřejmě kvůli dobrý pojistce) odměněn rekonvalesvencí ve Vietnamu, hrdino! Příště ale radši metat šipky do vody :)"
1,62143,2019-10-23T16:48:20.762Z,11244,1,16,15,9,0,0,68.2,62143,anon423299330,anon423299330,"![1%20Km98PgzRp9yRYfVZeSzwzQ|690x517](upload://ctzyJHfnA9je8Wj90rhGbCv9qta.png) 
Ja kao pripadnik starije generacije imao sam sreću da se rodim u jednoj drugoj zemlji. Zemlji koja je imala perspektivu i potencijal da postane nešto drugo u odnosu na ovo u šta se pretvorila, a sam Bog zna kuda dalje plovi ovaj brod. Živeo sam u 4 države u svom životu, a da se nisam pomerio iz svoje ulice. Bio sam svedok raspada moje rodne zemlje i njene transformacije od, kako su je nazvali „hibrida II svetskog rata“ do zemlje „nebeskog naroda“ i sve manje šljiva pod koje će preživeli moći da stanu. Kako stvari stoje, šljiva će biti i previše.
	Verujte mi, nisam pesimista. Pogledajte samo činjenično stanje. Što bi rekao pevac Sofronije, cifre ne lažu. Sa godišnjim mortalitetom od 35.000 ljudi (što je gradić veličine Bečeja), Srbija spada u zonu u kojoj je „crvena lampica“ ne odavno upaljena, nego samo što nije pregorela. Kada ovoj cifri pridodam i broj onih koji su napustili zemlju od 2.000. godine (što je nekih 650.000 ljudi) shvatim da polako ali sigurno postajemo nacija staraca. Zašto je to tako?
	Razvoj tehnologije je u velikoj meri dao svoj doprinos (ne, nisam obožavalac filozofije Neda Luda). Ukidanjem nepotrebnih radnih mesta (a nestvaranjem dovoljno novih), likvidacijom nekadašnjih giganata koji su slavno propali što tržišno što nebrigom društva i države, povećava se broj pripadnika armije nezaposlenih koji svoju budućnost vide van granica naše nebeske domovine. Da se ne lažemo, ni „nanon3760934795ju“ ne cveta cveće i veselo žubori potok, ali je činjenica da se retko ko od onih koji su pošli trbuhom za kruhom vratio ovde da nastavi život i čeka zasluženu penziju. 
	Sa druge strane, edukacija u Srbiji je u procvatu. Da, ovo je sarkazam. Privatni univerziteti su počeli da niču kao pečurke posle kiše. Broj akademskih građana je dostigao zavidan nivo, a broj doktora nauka se u poslednjih 10 godina povećao za 880%! Fascinantno, zar ne? Postali smo zemlja magistara i doktora koji svoje znanje u najvećem broju slučajeva duguju internetu i „copy/paste“ komandi na računaru. Internet je nepresušni izvor informacija i znanja koje je dovoljno prepisati i potom plasirati kao sopstveno istražanon598341349je bez imalo skrupula. Znači, uskoro ćemo imati intelektualaca više nego osnovaca. Postaćemo zemlja filozofa i njihovih sledbenika u kojoj, osim njih, neće ostati niko mlađi od 70 godina. Oni koji su smogli snage i hrabrosti da dignu sidro i nestanu u vidu lastinog repa će se (možda) jednog dana vratiti da uživaju u penziji koju su stekli teškim radom u nekoj realnoj zemlji.  I da čekaju da nestanu zajedno sa zemljom koja će postati rodna gruda nekim drugim ljudima. A ne mislim na Srbe."
2,62152,2019-10-23T17:49:00.368Z,11244,0,16,15,1,0,0,23.2,62143,anon2614214130,anon423299330,"Zdravo @anon423299330! Dobrodosao medju EdgeRyderse!
Drago nam je sto si podelio sa nama svoje misljenje i svoju pricu. Nama je bitno sto je tebi stalo.
Ova tema je nesto sto nam se svima provlaci kroz glavu i u najmanju ruku je zastrasujuce. Verujem cak i za one koji su otisli, ma kako da su se tamo snasli. A ovako sa ciframa to deluje...ne znam ni koju rec da upotrebim...
Ono sto se ja cesto pitam, osim kako to sve spreciti, jeste da li svi koji odu idu samo trbuhom za kruhom? Postoje li i drugi razlozi?
Neki od clanova su vec pisali na neke teme koje bih ja mogla da povezem sa jos jednim od razloga za odlazak.
Pogledajte price @anon1146465561 i @anon863112008. Mada kad malo bolje razmislim, cini mi se da su manje vise sve teme povezane sa ovom tvojom.   
Pogledaj i pricu @anon1624663980.
da li je tebi ikada padalo na pamet da odes? I ako jesi, koji su bili razlozi?"
3,62214,2019-10-24T17:02:56.397Z,11244,2,13,12,1,0,0,32.6,62143,anon423299330,anon423299330,"Pozdrav svima!
Na odlazak odavde mladi (I ne tako mladi) se odlučuju uglavnom zbog egzistencijalnih razloga. Plate su nikakve, a cene su na nivou EU (osim struje, ali je pitanje kada će i to otići u nebesa). Kada se sve sabere i oduzme, mladima je samo preostalo da žive sa roditeljima ili da čekaju da se neko od bliže rodbine preseli u večna lovišta pa da naslede neku nekretninu u kojoj bi mogli da zasnuju porodicu. Mada je i tada pitanje kako će živeti. Čisto sumnjam da mogu da prištede neku crkavicu kojom bi mogli da uzmu bar auto na lizing. 
Drugi razlog je mentalna i fizička struktura Srpskog naciona. Mi Srbi spadamo u grupu jedinki koje imaju pamćenje zlatne ribice. Niko  se ne seća šta je rekao pre 5 minuta, a kamo li šta je neko drugi govorio pre par godina. Uživamo u demagogiji kojom nas zasipaju svakodnevno (a naročito pred izbore) i ne izvlačimo nikakve pouke iz toga. Poludimo kada se opečemo, ali na psu rana-na psu i zarasla. Nikom ništa. Idemo dalje kao da se ništa nije dogodilo. 
Što se fizičkih karakteristika tiče, mi smo jedinstveni u Darvinovoj klasifikaciji. Opisao bih to kao homo sapiensi samo bez kičmenog stuba. Uvek je lakše saviti kičmu nego se držati uspravno. Tako smo odgajani ne samo od strane roditelja, već i od strane društva u kom smo rasli. Ne, nisu nam oni govorili da tako treba. Tako su se ponašali. Strah od autoriteta i kvaziautoriteta nas je smestio na dno civilizacijske lestvice. Tako se svi ophode prema nama-kao prema mekušcima koji izađu iz zemlje samo kada pada kiša. I dobri su samo na udici za pecanje. Verovatno za bolje i nismo.
Za kraj jedan vic. Sreli se na onom svetu Nušić i Domanović. Popričali malo i složili se u jednoj stvari: “Neko mora da kaže Srbima da smo mi pisali satiru, a ne manifest po kom treba živeti.”"
4,62269,2019-10-25T09:29:31.965Z,11244,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,62214,anon2614214130,anon423299330,"Poznajem dosta ljudi koji su otisli a ovde su, sto se tice materijalnih stvari, imali vise neko lep zivot. I cini mi se da je sve vise tih koji ne odlaze zbog materijalnog stanja. Osim te glorifikacije autoriteta koja nam je u genima, mislim da je veliki problem sto su ljudi ove zatvoreni, strogi i rigidni. Jednostavno se mladji ljudi osecaju da ovde ne mogu da se izraze i budu sta jesu. Sinoc sam bila na tribini na kojoj je jedna doktorka pricala kako imaju kolegu koji je isto doktor ali za svoju dusu svira gitaru u bendu i ide na svirke. Ljudi na takve (fenomenalne) ljude sa vise interesovanja gledaju sa cudjenjem. ""Zamisli!! Doktor covek i sad tu izmislja kao hoce i gitaru da svira? Budala!"". Tako se kod nas reaguje na ljude koji nisu po ps-u. To je u najmanju ruku JAKO tuzno. Svuda u svetu bi bili u fazonu ""Koja faca!!""
Ako mene pitas, ne bih volela da moja deca odrastaju u takvom okruzenju, sa takvom svescu.
""Ko ti mislis da si?Sto se tripujes da nesto vredis?"" - ja to osecam u vazduhu."
5,62398,2019-10-28T15:15:45.608Z,11244,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,62214,anon3346229079,anon423299330,"Pozdrav doktore :slight_smile: 

Istina, istina, izrecene su mnoge nepobitne stvari ali treba razumjeti i odakle to dolazi. Kako se stanje svijesti nacije promijenilo? To je proces koji traje vec jako dugo vremena, ako je toliko dugo vremena trebalo da dodje do danasnje  situacije, trebace dugo i da se popravi (mada ja vjerujem da se to moze puno brze danas).

Tragedija je kad se cita knjiga Arcibalda Rajsa od prije 100 godina i kad shvatis da je danasnja ocajna situacija bila oblikovana vec tad, poslje prvog svijetskog rata. U stvari vjerojatno su uzroci puno stariji. Jos u vrijeme ustanaka protiv Turaka svaki put su vodje ili ljudi od uticaja bili ubijani. To dovodi to osiromasenja gena jednog naroda zato sto najhrabriji i uspijesniji ljudi umiru a ovce i ljigavci ostaju zivi...i uce druge ovce pravilima ponasanja. Na Balkanu je bilo jos puno takvih situacija poslje Turaka. Dva rata pa komunizam pa onda opet rat i kriminalci koji su tu od 90tih. 

Takodje tu su i nasilne promijene struktura, pa naravno da ce kriminalci i nasilnici doci na vrh u takvoj sredini i naravno da ce se stvoriti drugi ""sistemi vrednosti"".

Treba pricati o problemima, ali sljedeci korak bi bio predloziti rijesenje za bar jedan od tih problema...kojih ima puno. Svrha price o problemima bi trebala biti upravo razmijena ideja sa ciljem ucenja jedni od drugih i aktiviranja kolektivne inteligencije radi nalazenja konkretnih rjesenja."
6,62538,2019-10-30T12:19:21.844Z,11244,2,11,10,1,0,0,17.2,62398,anon423299330,anon3346229079,"Odpozdrav, Jasene!

Odgovor na tvoje prvo pitanje je-stanje svesti nacije se nije promenilo. Nimalo. Sviđa mi se tvoj optimizam da je ta promena uopšte moguća, a naročito danas. Osim ako neko nije pronašao način genetske modifikacije našeg degenerisanog karaktera.

Pre gospodina Rajsa situaciju je mnogo bolje opisao već pomenuti Radoje Domanović u svojoj pripovetci „Vođa“. Mi se nismo pomerili odatle ni za jotu. I dalje sledimo vođe, samo što ovi sadašnji nisu slepi. Naprotiv. Oni jako dobro vide kuda vode narod, ali znaju da neće podeliti sudbinu tog istog naroda koji ide za njima iz različitih razloga: neki zaista veruju u to, neki su samo krpelji šupčane podvrste koji ne bi mogli ni da prodaju viršle na kiosku kad ne bi izigravali vođine verne pse koji dobiju svoje sledovanje ako se dobro ponašaju. A ponašaju se tačno onako kako vođe očekuju. Reže na sve koji se drznu da kažu „Car je go!“. Ma koliko to bilo tačno. Vođe su nezamenljive, oni sve znaju, njihove odluke se ne dovode u pitanje. Na žalost, mislim da nam nema spasa. Osim pomenute genetske modifikacije koja je još u fazi laboratoriskog razvoja.

Šta se može učiniti? Baš ništa. Vođe imaju načine i sredstva za povećanje elastičnosti kičme naroda koji se ne buni, već samo ćuti i trpi da ne bi bilo još gore. A sve je gore dok se ćuti. I tako u krug. Ubeđuju nas kako se neke stvari moraju uraditi jer je to nešto neophodno, npr. auto put Beograd – Sarajevo (ne vidim jedan razlog za to, kome to treba u Srbiji), da je neizbežno da podelimo KiM (iako su do pre par godina tvrdili da se to neće desiti ni po koju cenu) i još mnogo toga, da ne nabrajam. Lista je predugačka. Uglavnom, ovde se radi o sistematskom uništavanju sopstvene zemlje u kojoj ćemo za nekoliko godina biti samo fensi robovi koji će, ako bude sreće, imati pravo glasa. Mada ni to nije neka prednost."
7,62543,2019-10-30T14:05:54.284Z,11244,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,62538,anon2614214130,anon423299330,"Svaka ti je na mestu. Osim, po mom misljenju, da nema spasa. Ne zato sto ja mislim da imam resenje vec zato sto verujem da ne postoji problem za koji nema resenja. Pre 200 godina su se naucnici (ne samo obicni ljudi) smejali na neciju pomisao da ce postojati sprava u koju ces uci i leteti nebom. Naucnici su zvanicno rekli da je to jednostavno nemoguce. Medjutim. Ko se sada smeje? Tako je i sa ovom nasom situacijom. Verovatno ne postoji magicni stapic kojim ces da zamahnes i sve ce biti savrseno ( a opet, ko zna (:) ali resenje sigurno postoji.
Kako naterati ljude da se prikace na frekvenciju resenja a ne problema?"
8,62549,2019-10-30T15:01:58.258Z,11244,0,10,9,1,1,0,7.0,62543,anon423299330,anon2614214130,"[quote=""anon2614214130, post:7, topic:11244""]
Kako naterati ljude da se prikace na frekvenciju resenja a ne problema?
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Kao sto sam rekao, genetskom modifikacijom naseg degenerisanog karaktera."
9,62600,2019-10-31T01:11:33.560Z,11244,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,62538,anon3346229079,anon423299330,"Da, a tu je i druga vrsta: Oni koji ne zele primjenu zato sto im cirka malo sa vrha i to im je dovoljno...nema veze sto ce im dijeca vrlo moguce otici iz zemlje ili raditi za druge kao robovi.

Nazalost mi ne mozemo racunati na razvoj tehnologije koja ce nam omoguciti genetsku modifikaciju ljudi. Logicki gledano, ta inovacija ce doci iz strane zemlje, vjerovatno iz Amerike, Japana ili Kine. Cak i ako neki Srbin prvi razvije proces, nece imati izbora pa ce to razviti u stranoj zemlji posto u Srbiji nece dobiti podrsku. Znaci oni ce je iskoristiti da naprave jos vece botove od nas Balkanaca tako da na to ne mozemo racunati...moracemo ici tezim putem a to je kroz stvaranje uspijesnih primjera i pokazanon598341349ja da postoji drugaciji put, umrezavanje sa drugim ljudima koji zele promjene i mukotrpnim radom na podizanju svijesti stanovnistva...da se polako stvori promjena ili pobuna robota :stuck_out_tongue:."
10,64825,2019-11-20T11:09:34.951Z,11244,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,62143,anon1274458134,anon423299330,"@anon423299330 
886/5000

Надам се да ће превод преводиоца бити релативно тачан;) Користим ћирилицом, јер иако не знам српски, згодније је читати такав писани текст. Читајући вашу причу, видео сам и своју домовину. Пропорције и бројеви су потпуно различити, али последњих неколико година имали смо огроман талас исељавања. Имам утисак да су земље нашег региона резервоар јефтине радне снаге за Запад. И област економске експанзије. Користећи механизме права Европске уније, земље попут Њемачке или Француске траже снажнију овисност о економијама попут Пољске и Словачке. А што се тиче огромног броја студената - када сам започео студије из области националне безбедности 2005. године, у Пољској је постојао само један универзитет који ради ове студије. Кад сам то завршио 2010. године - овај факултет је био на сваком универзитету."
1,64593,2019-11-18T22:31:13.219Z,11625,1,12,11,9,0,0,67.4,64593,anon677212598,anon677212598,"<image here> 
 
Pozdrav svima!

Trudiću se da budem kratak i jasan. :slight_smile: 
Pre 2 meseca se uhvatim u činjenici da moj angažman u građanskom sektoru već godima stagnira i da nema ni na vidiku da će se tu nešto promeniti.... Entuzijazam da se nešto menja na bolje u društvu me vodi odavno i uvek me je ispunjavao aktivizam, pa sam tako sa drugarima osnovao udruženje pre otprilike 10 godina koje se bavi(lo) uopšte kulturnim i obrazovnim aktivnostima. Par puta smo dobili male grantove da ostvarimo zamisli i moram priznati da je to bilo veoma korisno iskustvo. Problem je što smo svi imali ili druge obaveze ili smo bili veoma udaljeni jedni od drugih, a negde i neozbiljni u razvoju same organizacije. Naravno bilo je tu i neznanja. Mislim da ne moram da pričam koliko su sredina i društvo u Srbiji u celini neadekvatni za razvoj OCDa, ali i bilo kakvog preduzetništva. Svuda su problemi od ljudskih resursa, do materijalnog stanja stanovništva, preko nalaženja donatora i kulture doniranja. Činjenica je da mora da se uloži mnogo truda i da se ima sreće i da se recimo živi u Beogradu; Novom Sadu ili nekom razvijenijem gradiću kako bi inicijativa uspela. U manjim sredinama jako su retke uspešne inicijative. Tako shvatim da imam suviše obaveza... od redovnog posla, preko učestvovanja u razvijanju porodičnog posla, pa sad i master studija... Ove godine sam pokušavao sa različitim ljudima da tražim ikakvo finansiranje za par nekih ideja koje sam prevrtao, prilagođavao i uklapao pokušavajući da se dopadnu donatoru, a da ista ne izgubi suštinu i naravno ništa. Valjda velika konkurencija. Mala bara puna krokodila :smiley: . Ne bih mogao da se upuštam u nešto bez nekih minimalnih resursa i da trošim vreme koje nemam kako bih ipak pokrenuo ideju (ne bih sad o idejama ako nije problem :slight_smile: ). Možda i najveći problem je u tome što nemam nikoga u ovom trenutku ko bi posvećivao bar vreme društveno korisnom cilju, nekom bilo kom. U svakom slučaju pomirio sam se da neću imati veze više sa građanskim inicijativama, sem ako ne počnem u jednom trenutku u životu da se bavim politikom. Bukvalno celo ovo promišljanje mi je bilo malo setno ili ne znam kako da opišem to neko osećanje koje nije poraženost, jer sam svestan i svog bauljanja i sredine, već je tu činjenica da je prošlo vreme i da nema nazad i da za sve u životu moramo da poklopimo sa svojim biološkim satom ili samo nekim drugim trenutkom. Neke stvari ako smo suviše opušteni ili ležerni jednostavno više ne budu ostvarive. Nekako nikad nisam razmišljao toliko o tome dok nisam promislio o nečemu kao što je ova situacija gde sam u raskoraku između želje i realnosti. Nadam se da sam na kraju ubo poentu. Cljeve treba ostvariti u dogledno vreme. Naravno neke ili neke koje postavimo kao prioritet. Eto neka to recimo bude tema za promišljanje: koje su naše granice i moći i da li stvarno to što radimo može i koliko da ima efekta i da li to zaista i hoćemo i možemo?
Elem, imam viška blagostanja (malo glupo zvuči da se ima blagostanje, ali je tako nekako...) koje mi dozvoljava da mogu da činim dobrobit društvu. Na inicijativu ili Edgeryders nailazim slučajno.pre neki dan i sama ideja i koncept mi se sviđaju, te sama misao da mogu da budem deo društva koje razmenjuje ideje na temu društvenih dobrobiti je veoma prijatna. Ne znam da li su slučajnosti slučajne, ali sam sve više siguran da u životu dobijamo ono što želimo/tražimo... samo se nekad baš ne slažemo sa tim. :smile:
E sad trivija. Radim u suštini u struci kao inženjer hemijske tehnologije u fabrici aluminijuskih profila. Trenutno se usavršavam u metalurškom inženjerstvu kako bih radio nešto novo na poslu i naravno nešto naučio i zaradio novce firmi, normalno. Recimo da sam zadovoljan poslom. Volim da čitam, a pisanje ne praktikujem odavno što je bez veze... Možda mogu u ovom prostoru da delim to što sam pisao ili što bih pisao? Volim i da vozim bicikl i provodim vreme nanon3760934795ju. Zanimaju me filozofija, istorija, politika, tehnologija, duhovnost... 
Vidim da se pokreću teme o smislu i svrsi Života, koje su bitne za svakog od nas. Bez življenja svrhe teško da ćemo biti u stanju da pomognemo ikome, pa je naš individualni razvoj ili sazrevanje bitno i za celo društvo. Tako mi nešto deluje. Evo video na ovu temu... svakako sjajan kanal: [optimistični nihilizam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14) 

Pozdravljam i svako dobro želim"
2,64608,2019-11-19T06:31:11.158Z,11625,1,10,9,1,1,0,12.0,64593,anon3346229079,anon677212598,"Dobrodosao :slight_smile:, drago mi je da se nasa zajednica obogatila za jos jednog clana...vise umova, vise mogucnosti.  

[quote=""anon677212598, post:1, topic:11625""]
koje su naše granice i moći i da li stvarno to što radimo može i koliko da ima efekta i da li to zaista i hoćemo i možemo?
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To su veliki izazovi za svaku osobu :slight_smile:. Ja bi rekao da je danas tesko shvatiti koje su nase granice moci, posto nas sistem vec duze vrijeme uvjerava da smo bespomocni, izolovani i da treba samo na sebe da mislimo. 

Sa druge strane, kako saznati da li stvarno nesto hocemo? Put samospoznaje nije lak i, iz mog iskustva, ljudi tek oko 28me ili 30te pocinju da se bude i razvijaju u tom pravcu (oni sto su imali malo vise srece). Oni sto je nemaju zive zivote koje su drugi odlucili za njih, imaju jos uvijek misli u glavi koje nisu njihove itd.

Koliko nesto mozemo i koliko ce imati efekta ne znamo dok ne pokusamo i posteno se ne potrudimo. Kako znati rezultat necega sto nikad pokusali nismo? 

Ili jos bolje, zasto pokusavati nove stvari? Zato sto ako zelimo stici tamo gdje nismo do sada bili, moramo raditi stvari koje do sada nismo radili :slight_smile:. 

Sve najbolje, vidimo se uskoro nadam se :wink:"
3,64663,2019-11-19T12:03:17.053Z,11625,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,64608,anon677212598,anon3346229079,"Bolje vas našao. :slight_smile:
Granice moći i mogućnosti se mogu donekle racionalno predvideti, pa u skladu sat videti da li ići u poznato ili nepoznato. Kroz raspravu i dijalog smatram da se mogu naći razni odgovori. Zato je dobra ova inicijativa. Bar se nadam.
Ne bih se u potpunosto složio da se nameće sad nešto posebno u svetu, kao što je ta neka priča o izolovanosti ili bespomoćnosti, već je to neki diskurs koji je verujem odraz ljudske nesvesti. Npr. da li su ljudi bili u većini svesniji ili kultivisaniji pre 150 godina? Ili tek sad primećujemo i detektujemo neke pojave. Jer da bi uvideli nešto tj. definisali problem moramo prvo o nečemu da imamo saznanja i pojma. Svakako mi je jasno šta si hteo da kažeš i da je negde čijenica da je čovek čoveku vuk i tako te neke izreke :slight_smile:
Sazrevanje ili individuacija nam je možda i jedina stvar koju kroz rad i življenje treba da ostvarujemo. Svako na svoj način. Nemam iskustvo kad to rade lljudi. Neko nikad, neko već u pubertetu.
Vidimo se u Beogradu, pa smislimo šta bi smo i kako bi smo ;)"
4,64668,2019-11-19T12:18:24.840Z,11625,0,7,6,1,0,0,36.4,64593,anon2614214130,anon677212598,"Veliki pozdrav i dobrodošao!
Hvala za tvoju priču.
Imam utisak da se ljudi previše bave okolinom, aktivizmom, projektima, idejama, ukazujući na problem, dajući rešenja, pokušavajući da se uklope, da budu u toku sa aktuelnostima....i tako u nedogled. Poenta je da su svi koncentrisani na okolinu a ni 2 minuta nisu posvetili tome šta imaju unutra, šta žele, ko su zapravo kada se oslobode od nalepljenih etiketa. Kakav apsurd! Fokus na okolinu. Kaže Jasen, tek oko 30e ljudi se probude. Probude se jer im je muka od patnje, ali to ne mora tako.
Roditelj sam već 6,5 godina i toliko dugo se bavim i ličnim razvojem, spiritualnošću i otkrivam nove nauke, za koje verujem da će promeniti tok civilizacije(zapravo mislim da već i jesu promenile tok, ali još nismo svesni)
Kako mi deca pohađaju ustanove, u kontaktu sam sa ostalim roditeljima i mislim da je to ono što mi je otvorilo oči zašto smo gde jesmo. Tehnologija, nauka, civilizacija i druge oblasti rapidno napreduju, dolaze do neverovatnih otkrića a roditelji i dalje odgajaju decu po modelu naše prababe. Ne šalim se. I to ""obrazovani"", mladi, urbani roditelji... Pročitali su sve priručnike za roditeljstvo ali ono dete u njima i dalje nema nikakve odgovore na pitanja iz detinjstva. I tako će i njihova deca rasti.
Mladi ljudi u Srbiji (verujem i šire) žive po copy-paste uverenjima, izlizanim, zastarelim i štetnim čak, po pojedinca i po sredinu.
Lično smatram da dok ne dođemo do odgovora na osnovna pitanja možemo, iz najbolje namere, rešavajući opšta pitanja napraviti još više štete.
Tolstoj je govorio da nije važna količina znanja, već koliko duboko si spoznao najbitnija pitanja."
5,64796,2019-11-20T01:26:51.695Z,11625,0,6,5,1,1,0,6.2,64663,anon3346229079,anon677212598,"[quote=""anon677212598, post:3, topic:11625""]
Ne bih se u potpunosto složio da se nameće sad nešto posebno u svetu, kao što je ta neka priča o izolovanosti ili bespomoćnosti, već je to neki diskurs koji je verujem odraz ljudske nesvesti. Npr. da li su ljudi bili u većini svesniji ili kultivisaniji pre 150 godina? Ili tek sad primećujemo i detektujemo neke pojave. Jer da bi uvideli nešto tj. definisali problem moramo prvo o nečemu da imamo saznanja i pojma. Svakako mi je jasno šta si hteo da kažeš i da je negde čijenica da je čovek čoveku vuk i tako te neke izreke :slight_smile:
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Mislio sam prije svega na atomizaciju drustva, koja se po meni itekako radi sistematski i o kojoj Chomsky uveliko govori...ne bih rekao da je to spontana evolucija covjecanstva ili nekog drustva. To se najbolje vidi u ogromnim razlikama u mentalitetu ljudi i razini osjecaja drustvene odgovornosti u razlicitim zemljama. U Briselu mozes pasti na ulici i umirati, ljudi ce te zaobilaziti jos se i mrsteci na tebe zato sto si im narusio robotsku putanju od kuce do posla, od posla do restorana, od restorana do kuce. Doduse tako nesto je neophodno da bi vladajuca klasa nesmetano radila sto zeli. Kao sto kaze Chomsky, cilj svake vladajuce klase je da ubjedi svoje subjekte da nemaju moc. Koji bolji nacin za to nego da ih odvojis. Covjek koji ne zna da je u stvari dio plemena, pa dio naroda, dio ljudske civilizacije, ne misli da moze puno promjeniti. Pored toga se trose stotine miliona na stvaranje misljenja i guranje odredjenih narativa, cenzura je nevjerojatno velika i djeluje momentalno sa ogromnim pritiskom (i finansijskim i ""moralnim"" itd) ako postavljas pogresna pitanja. Sa druge strane, ako nemas uticaj mozes pricati o cemu zelis...niko te ne slusa.

Vidi koliko se promijenila svijest ljudi na nasim prostorima od 1970 npr do danas. Za samo 50 godina se puno promijenilo, bar po prici (mene nije bilo). Promijenio se sistem vrijednosti kod vecine ljudi, a to je valjda neka osnova etike drustva."
1,64652,2019-11-19T11:19:35.508Z,11636,0,8,7,4,0,0,51.6,64652,anon2378345037,anon2378345037,"U tom trenutku nam je bilo prilično muka od Beograda, njemu više nego meni, ali ni za mene više nije imao one čari kao kada sam, nakon završene osnovne škole, došla u prestonicu. Nakon petnaest godina života u njoj više ne koristiš ono što je njena prednost, polako ali neminovno zatvaraš krugove u kojima se krećeš i opet se svedeš na nekoliko prijatelja, nekoliko putanja, nekoliko parkova, nekoliko prostora. Tako sam rekla sebi dok sam vagala tu, rekla bih radikalnu, odluku. Otići iz Beograda. Samo ne onako kako to ljudi obično rade, u veći grad, nego nazad, u manje, siromašnije, tiše, sporije. Imati više vremena za sebe.
Dok ne odeš iz mesta u kome si se ""oblikovao"" ne shvataš koliko ono utiče na tvoj identitet. Prvo se suočiš sa pitanjem da li možeš ostati ono što jesi kada se sve okolnosti oko tebe promene. 
Svi moji, i naši, prijatelji su ostali tamo. Izolacija koja nam je prvih par meseci prijala postala je veliko opterećenje. Osećaš se kao van svih tokova, na rubu civilizacije, u prošlosti, jer si, u odnosu na mesto gde sada živiš, video budućnost. Usamljenost. Da, vidjaš ljude često, oduvek ih je moja pojava privlačila, kao i moj posao, ali oni su drugačijeg profila od prijatelja koje sam ostavila za sobom. U vazduhu se oseća nemoć. Kao da niko ne bi bio tu da ne mora, kao da niko nije odlučio da bude tu. Grad drugih i trećih izbora. To je zanimljivo, kakav god da je tvoj prvi izbor, makar se radilo o vrsti četkice koju želiš da kupiš, neće se desiti. Uvek plan B. Nikad nema to što ti treba, samo zamena. Muškarci od 30 godina, zdravi i pravi, koji maštaju da odu barem do Beograda. To u meni budi bes. Apatija svuda. Kao da bi mogla da se ustanovi neka kolektivna dijagnoza. Kažu da koren tog stanja treba tražiti u kolapsu fabrika koje su nekada radile i zapošljavale hiljade radnika. Često mi opisuju redove ljudi koji izlaze iz fabrike u petak popodne, preplavljen grad kada legne plata. Toga više nema. Jedan deo, neki bi rekli srećnika ali ja ih ne vidim baš tako, radi u javnim ustanovama, školama, ćuti, ne talasa, zadovoljni su, ponosni na sebe verujući da je taj posao njihov uspeh. Vrlo često je on samo posledica veza i vezica, stranačkog zapošljavanja, ili već poodmaklih godina u toj ustanovi. Dosta ljudi iz sela koji su se slili u grad, ali nisu postali malo urbaniji, nego su uticali snažno da grad, koji se uveliko napušta, postane malo zadrtiji, malo tvrdji, malo ograničeniji. Govore ""Ćuti, može i gore"". Navikli su na teže od toga da sagnu glavu. Ovo nije univerzitetski grad. Kada završe srednju školu, mladi odlaze na fakultete, oni sa nekakvim ambicijama. Oni koji ostanu upadaju u rutinu, začarane krugove, često maštaju da nisu tu. Zanimljivo je što mladi ipak odlaze na fakultete s obzirom na široko rasprostranjenu svest da obrazovanje ne znači ništa i nema nikakvu vrednost. 
Prvo sam, kažem, bila besna. Pa mi ih je bilo žao. Jasno mi je da kada ne znaš za mogućnosti ne možeš ni da biraš. Čija je krivica? Osećam da treba da budem zahvalna svojim roditeljima. Izgleda da neki ljudi nikada ne vide raskrsnicu, pa samo idu tom stazom napred, makar ih vodila u ambis. 
Ipak, postoji ta stvar sa vremenom.... Ovde vreme drugačije teče. Laganije. Smirenije. Kada sam pre nekoliko dana izgubila sat i po' vremena u beogradskom gradskom prevozu osetila sam se kao da sam pretrpela nenadoknadiv gubitak. Kao da mi neko duguje to vreme. Oteto. Besmisleno potrošeno. Nepravda. Nagrnula su sećanja na sva ta čekanja, stajališta, autobuse, rentirane stanove, hladne, vlažne, na stanodavce ovakve i onakve, selidbe, torbe kroz gsp... 
Kvalitet života. To sam imala u glavi kada smo dolazili.  
Toliko za sada."
2,64661,2019-11-19T11:48:54.109Z,11636,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,64652,anon2614214130,anon2378345037,"Wow! Ostadoh zagledana u monitor i nakon poslednje recenice. Zapitala sam se.
Dobrodošla u našu zajednicu, hvala na Zapažanjima. 
Polako ali sigurno se ovde okupljaju ljudi sa pitanjima i idejama. Vidim da je svima zajednicko to što misle da su sami u svojim razmišljanjima. A nisu. Raduje me što smo ovde, što komuniciramo i razmenjujemo iskustva.
Ne znam da li sam ja jedina sa mišlju i osećajem da je ovo poslednja stanica voza sa ovim osećanjima kroz koje svi prolazimo godinama ako ne i decenijama. Deluje mi da ne može više ovako. Hteli ili ne promena će se desiti. Neće nas ni pitati. Kao gravitacija. 
Mada smo prošli kroz svašta i možda bi strah bio i opravdan, ali se ničeg ne plašim.
Šta uopšte ostavljamo kada menjamo sredinu? Šta je važno da ponesemo? Kako znati šta je važno a šta ne?"
3,64795,2019-11-20T01:13:38.370Z,11636,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,64652,anon3346229079,anon2378345037,"Evo ja sad zivim na 5 minuta od Brisela (izasao iz njega zbog kvaliteta zivota). To su te guzve, beskonacna cekanja gdje god da odes, trazis parking navece 45 minuta, ako si izasao onda ujutro cekas da neko od ranoranilaca ode na posao posto nema sanse da nadjes parking, zagadjenje zraka, hrana koja je malo bolja od smeca je puno skuplja (a ni to nije ni blizo onoga sto pise na etiketi) itd.

Pricao sam sa djevojkom posto se vjencavamo uskoro i planiramo porodicu. Slozili smo se da je najbolje za djecu da odemo na selo a najbolje za nas da odemo tamo gdje je dobra klima. Nase rjesenje je da idemo u Dalmaciju, ipak je to moja kuca a i znamo da oboje mozemo svasta raditi, uzivati u prirodi i dobroj klimi, dijeca ce jesti zdravu hranu iz nase baste i od okolnih seljaka...ali mjesto ima manje od 200 stanovnika :slight_smile:.

Razmisljao sam puno o tome, o manjku ljudskog potencijala, o ljudima sa kojima cemo se tesko uklopiti (djevojka zivjela i u Americi i u Engleskoj u Londonu a ja vec 18 godina u Briselu i putovao svuda), o melanholiji koja generalno vlada u Hrvatskoj itd...nema lakog odgovora. Odlucili smo da ostanemo u Hrvatskoj dok nam djeca ne dodju do 5-6 godina. Onda cemo uraditi evaluaciju situacije i ostati ili otici gdje god mislimo da je najbolje u tom trenutku. 

U pravu si kad kazes da ljudi jednostavno nisu svijesni mogucnosti, bas sam pricao sa @anon2614214130  nedavno. Spomenula mi je rodjaka koji se zali da ne zna sto da radi i koji zeli da ode iz zemlje, objasnila malo njegovu situaciju i ja sam joj dao jedno 4 razlicite vrlo perspektivne mogucnosti za njega u sljedecih 20 minuta...

Svi smo isprogramirani od roditelja i okoline, samo neki puno bolje od drugih...mislim da je zivotna prepreka velikoj vecini ljudi upravo nalazenje sebe ispod svih tih slojeva koji su natalozeni od djetinjstva. Dotakli smo se malo te teme i u [ovoj diskusiji](https://edgeryders.eu/t/kosmos-gdesmos/11625).

Znanje je moc. Bas je paradoks da danas, kad je znanje puno dostupnije nego prije 10 godina vec, ljudi opet NE ZNAJU da im treba a ni kako doci do tog znanja za koje im bukvalno treba samo smart phone i internet. Doduse za dublje znanje u mnogim sferama im treba i bolje poznavanje Engleskog.

Tu ima puno faktora tako da necu da idem previse u detalje ali jedan od faktora je ocigledan i sama si ga spomenula: Kad zivis u zemlji u kojoj treba da si neciji kum, brat, sinovac, da budes poslusni sluga partijski da bi dobio poziciju a ljudi sa znanjem i kvalifikacijama se vide kao prijetnje i ne dobijaju prilike onda nije ni cudno da ljudi vise ne vjeruju u moc znanja. Kad zivis u zemlji u kojoj svakodnevno gledas na televiziji da su najuspijesniji ljudi u stvari kriminalci i politicari (sto su opet kriminalci), kako da ljudi ne gube vjeru u znanje?"
1,64082,2019-11-14T16:18:16.985Z,11525,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,64082,anon280901963,anon280901963,"Drodzy, zastanawiając się często co z tą Polską i podziałami, pojawia się we mnie wiele gorzkiej refleksji. Niestety oryginalna pewnie nie będę bo są mądrzejsi ode mnie, którzy lepiej to opisali. Niemniej spróbuję. Bo choć bliżej mi z poglądami do lewicy niż prawicy, to przede wszystkim jest mi  blisko po prostu do człowieka, do jego uczuć , motywacji i przeżyć. 

I tak niezmiernie mnie wpienia (i tutaj nie znajdę lepszego słowa, albo nie chce bo mnie to zwyczajnie wpienia), wyższość jednych nad drugimi i pogarda. To jest chyba słowo klucz – pogarda, która bardzo dobrze ukazała się w elitach poprzedniego rządu (mówię oczywiście o PO). Pomijam, że to ich właśnie zgubiło (a jak widzę Schetynę i ten cyniczny uśmiech to przełączam na inny kanał). Ta pogarda, o której mówię nie dotyczy tylko elit politycznych – dotyczy wszystkich. 

Stwarzanie atmosfery pt. ""my wiemy lepiej, jesteśmy bardziej oświeceni i mądrzejsi, a wy jesteście plebsem ze wsi”, nie stwarza przestrzeni do rozmowy, a to niestety często wysuwa się również wśród niektórych wypowiedzi na tym forum. 
Otóż, nie jest gorszy ten
1. który chodzi do kościoła od ateisty, 
2. który z powodu biedy, w której żyje, bardziej ceni sobie 500+ niż Trybunał Konstytucyjny 
3. który nie odziedziczył: a. majątku, b. ambicji (i możliwości) zdobywania wykształcenia, c. umiejętności czerpania przyjemności z czytania, czy uczestniczenia w kulturze ""wysokiej"" itp. 
4. który nie ma narzędzi do weryfikowania propagandy TVP (sprawdźcie zasięg TVN24) 
5. który zasuwa na polu lub w chlewie i kurniku od rana do wieczora i pada na twarz wieczorem rezygnując z pogaduszek na fejsie z wielkomiejskim elektoratem.

Mój dziadek był prostym „chłopem pracującym całe życie w gospodarstwie, ojciec wyszedł przed szereg i założył firmę. Po jego śmierci brat został z mamą na wsi , a ja wyjechałam. Dziś mieszkam w Warszawie, mam dobrą pracę i cenię sobie rozwój, którego doświadczam po trochu z powodu pracowitości, samozaparcia, szczęścia i ludziom , których anon1235093333łam szczęście spotkać na swojej drodze. Jednak mój brat został na gospodarstwie i tam razem ze swoją żona ciężko pracują. Nie głosujemy na te same partie, ja słucham Bacha a on  Martyniuka, ale w niczym nie jest ode mnie gorszy, po prostu ma inne życie i inne priorytety. Trzeba je zrozumieć i stworzyć dla niego i jego podobnych ofertę programową, a nie wypisywać głupoty na fejsie w poczuciu wyższości swoich dyplomów, zainteresowań, doświadczeń z wycieczek po świecie oraz znajomości modnych pisarzy. 

Na brak szacunku zasługują złodzieje, przestępcy, mordercy, niemoralni krzywdziciele słabszych, (chociaż i to nie zawsze bo różne są koleje losu), ale nie ludzie o innych poglądach politycznych! Ich doświadczenie życiowe każe im dokonywać takich wyborów i już. Nie ma się co zżymać, tylko a. próbować do nich dotrzeć z przekazem do nich trafiającym, b. walczyć o wyrównanie szans startu ludzi z małych i dużych miejscowości, bogatych i biednych rodzin, ambitnych i nieambitnych środowisk (ale to inwestycja w przyszłe pokolenia). 

Dlatego jak czytam  o ""elemencie spod budki z piwem"", który przepija pińcet, to robi mi się niedobrze. Bez szacunku i próby zrozumienia drugiego człowieka daleko nie zajdziemy. Bo to co dzieje się dziś na polskiej scenie politycznej to lata lekceważenia osób z odmiennymi poglądami (tymi związanymi z kościołem wiarą itd. ) Tak, tak drodzy kochani „tolerancyjni”. Jesteśmy wstanie tolerować pięć płci albo i więcej, a nie jesteśmy w stanie tolerować chodzenia co niedziele do kościoła (bo to przecież zaanon1085691282on i ciemnota). Choć tak jak mówię bliżej mi do lewicy, to ta wszechogarniająca „tolerancja” mam wrażenie działa tylko w jedną stronę."
2,64480,2019-11-18T11:15:40.264Z,11525,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,64082,anon3593942245,anon280901963,"Hey @anon280901963 - myślę, że to zdrowe pokazywać, jakie są niedoanon1547754019nia i problemy na lewicy, i jaka jest droga na przyszłość. Zgadzam się, że lewica jest niebywale dogmatyczna - i zdarza jej się nietolerancja i ocenianie innych w sposoby, które nie do końca mieszczą się w wartościach, za jakimi stoją (a właściwie stoimy). 

Zastanawia mnie od jakiegoś czasu droga naprzód, w której będziemy potrafili rozumieć siebie nawzajem i współpracować pomimo pewnych różnic ideologicznych. @anon1274458134, @anon3892784764 czy @anon3760940791 wymieniali kiedyś opinie na temat tego, do jakiego stopnia można angażować się w dyskusję z osobami, ktore myślą inaczej, a kiedy jest to niemożliwe (pytanie, czy ma sens wchodzenie w dialog z faszystą? Z kimś, kto odmawia innym prawa do życia?) 

Na pewno jest konieczna praca po obu stronach barykady - znalazłam bardzo [ciekawy artykuł](https://www.theatlantic.com/anon1547754019zine/archive/2019/12/the-things-we-cant-face/600769/) o tym, że debata nt. aborcji jest po prostu zbyt złożona, zeby ją łatwo rozwiązać jednym czy drugim argumentem. Moja pozycja jest taka, że lewicowa tolerancja i otwartość, jesli dobrze użyta, tworzy przestrzeń dla wszystkich: możesz nie chcieć dziecka, nikt nie zmusza Cię do aborcji, ale pozwol innym to zrobić. To samo z kościołem. Ale debata musi przestać brzmieć jak krucjata i walka z innymi wartościami. Mam wrażenie, na szczęście, że powoli ruchy społeczne uczą się konieczności budowania zniuansowanej narracji i strategii. Bo to chyba jedyna nadzieja."
3,64622,2019-11-19T08:47:38.077Z,11525,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,64082,anon1274458134,anon280901963,"Niestety taka chyba jest już niedoskonała ludzka natura, że poczucie własnej wartości budujemy również na pogardzie wobec innych. Na to, że istnieje taki mechanizm w naszej psychice niewiele poradzimy (poza oczywiście dobrym wychowaniem i pracą nad samym sobą). Gorzej, że mechanizm ten wykorzystywany jest w walce politycznej. Bardzo dobrze widać to było w czasie po anon3213561856astrofie smoleńskiej, w czasie wyborów w 2011 r., kiedy hasła typu ""zabierz babci dowód"", ""młodzi, wykształceni, z większych ośrodków""(w domyśle, ci lepsi) były bardzo popularne. Mam wrażenie, że wtedy wykreowano w Polsce, w sposób sztuczny, a przynajmniej wzmożono pewien podział społeczny na nazwijmy ich umownie ""tradycjonalistów"" ""lokalsów"" i ""europejczyków""."
1,63688,2019-11-10T20:51:45.284Z,11486,1,18,17,11,0,0,93.6,63688,anon2339705258,anon2339705258,"Retirement seems like a strange  concept to me.  In common parlance it's when you have a full time plus job (which you often hate) and then at 65 stop working altogether.

I'm 72 but a consultant and I work on projects I love but not fulltime. I am constantly learning. And, I do lots of things besides work - gardening, baking, local probono projects, time with family and friends. My health and brain are good and I care so much about the future of the world - why would I stop doing work with others to co-create a world where all can thrive? I may gradually slow down.... but expect to continue my work until I die.  

My main financial strategy is to live very simply. I'm setting up a solo 401K (see https://www.thenextegg.org) so I can invest my retirement funds locally and in  other social change projects."
2,63981,2019-11-13T10:26:30.853Z,11486,0,14,13,1,1,0,22.8,63688,anon2867672406,anon2339705258,"[quote=""anon2339705258, post:1, topic:11486""]
why would I stop doing work with others to co-create a world where all can thrive? I may gradually slow down… but expect to continue my work until I die.
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I agree 100%. Edgeryders is going to continue to be, I hope, the home of my projects for the future.

I also see aging as a process where work changes, and its load decreases. But, like you, I see work as a continuum, from 0 to 100%, rather than as an on-off switch. 

Plus, building up a job you like is a great investment. Stan Lee, who was already very old, once was asked by a journalist if he planned to retire. He replied ""Why would I do that? People retire so they can do what they want. I am *already* doing what I want!""

Bullseye, and amen to that. :slight_smile:"
3,64301,2019-11-15T21:55:02.292Z,11486,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,63688,anon1659154220,anon2339705258,"I wonder if retirement applies more to people in trades ands factory work because those jobs take such a toll on your body so often.  Before I became a knowledge worker I was an auto mechanic.  For those three years in my early 30s I could already feel where my body was heading if I stayed banging my knuckles standing on a concrete floor bending over or standing under a car or truck.  No disrespect to repetitive stress injuries but I can sure see why someone working at a steel mill for 40+ years would welcome a retirement.

Since I did transition out of the trades, I can do more physically now at 68 than I am sure that I would have had i stayed with mechanics."
4,64512,2019-11-18T13:45:28.540Z,11486,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,63688,anon3593942245,anon2339705258,"@anon1659154220 - I think this is what Bismark thought when he came up with the idea of retirement, for the first time in history, at least that's the way we know it

""Yes, back in 1889, German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck [invented the idea of retirement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Old_Age_and_Disability_Insurance_Law_of_1889), establishing the concept for the rest of us. “Those who are disabled from work by age and invalidity have a well-grounded claim to care from the state,” he said at the time.""

https://hbr.org/2016/04/why-retirement-is-a-flawed-concept 


I think retirement as it is right now is just too limited in its options, and this is something we're trying to address in our work (the thread is part of the Biennale of Design work I created, which opened last week in Ljubljana): how do we imagine a plurality of scenarios that fulfill the needs and possibilities of the people best? Also, how do we make us think about retirement when we're young and busy with making ends meet - this is such a scary and distant prospect! With the project we're trying to make people imagine it a bit earlier on, also because we believe such imagination is key to empowerment and ability to create futures we like, in general. And the ability to imagine the life we want to lead in a rapidly changing socio-economical landscape will be key to finding strategies for the post-work world we're hopefully going to enter - because what retirement should be, according to its description, is a meaningful life in which money should not be limiting anymore. This is what I imagine us like when robots take over the boring tasks... :) 

Thank you, @anon2339705258, for sharing your experience and ideas - very valuable!"
5,64545,2019-11-18T16:41:01.705Z,11486,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,64512,anon1659154220,anon3593942245,"I imagine that the disruption of the multiple-generation family household plays a big role too.  By disruption I mean that prior to WWII it was common in western societies for 3 generations to live under the same roof. With the advent of the automobile, suburbs, and other factors this trend diminished considerably.  So seniors are more on their own now.  And overall lifespan is much longer so seniors have more time on their hands, better health and fewer opportunities to do something they view as a real contribution to either society or a family.  Indeed there are organization devoted to helping older people move to doing work in their later years that is more meaningful and satisfying.  

I often think of my grandfather who grew up on a farm. had been a professional athlete, became a university professor and was able to fix or build pretty much anything he wanted.  By the time he was the age I am now, he had cataracts in his eyes so bad he couldn't see, and in those days there was no fix for it.  So he sat, day after day saying he ""wasn't much good anymore.""  Now that is an operation so trivial that you walk out of the clinic in 2 hours."
1,64360,2019-11-16T15:15:27.431Z,11582,0,15,14,6,0,0,48.0,64360,anon764313908,anon764313908,"**We don't seem to discuss retirement much with others. How much do you think about your own retirement? What do you think about? And what do you avoid thinking about?**

I don’t usuale think of my retirement because it’s something far away for me

**How about work, hobbies, family life, leisure, pleasure... Which activities from your present life would you like to keep doing? Which things would you like to never do again?**

I would like to travel more often.

**Great, now that you've chosen what stays and what to leave behind - start to imagine your future self. The 'dream you'. How do you get there? Which new skills and what knowledge do you want to acquire?**

I would like to learn one more language and be able to get to know more places and cultures in depth.

**Imagine your housing situation and the people around you (or their absence). Who are you surrounded by in your retirement?<br />Where and how would you like to live?**

I would like to live in a healthier environment than the one I live right now. Breath fresh air and live a healthy Life. I could think of living also with other people. I would not like to live alone in a future.

**If you know people who have retired, was there something to learn from their experience and approach? Could you share their impressions?**

Some people i know are happier when retires because they had the chance to fullfill their dreams.

**How do you imagine sustaining yourself financially? Maybe you have a plan, a tip, or an idea, that you would like to share?**

I would support myself with my savings from my previous working Life.



**name:** Andrea 
**age:** 53"
2,64513,2019-11-18T13:48:49.904Z,11582,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,64360,anon3593942245,anon764313908,"hey @anon764313908 - welcome to the community and our research space! 

Did you maybe fill in the questionnaire somewhere in LJubljana? 

I'd be super curious to get to know about you a bit more - do you already know where would you like to move in the future? Is there a place you think of as an ideal one, and who would be the people living with you, since you don't imagine yourself living alone?

Do you think you will be able to save enough to support yourself? And when, at what age, would you like to retire? Do little work, or none at all?

Thank you so much for your contribution!"
3,72218,2020-03-23T16:54:44.146Z,11582,0,4,3,0,0,0,15.8,64360,anon2446385507,anon764313908,"@anon2979239943 just a headsup: this and other similar entries are posted in 
Wellbeing in Europe - no subcategory.

See them all here, in case you have not included them in the coding yet.

https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/none"
1,63998,2019-11-13T15:09:58.296Z,11512,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,63998,anon4150512643,anon4150512643,"Ahoj a díky za sobotní hacanon3213561856hon.

Bylo skvělý, jak to jedno téma všechny skupiny pojaly úplně jinak a přitom bylo vidět, že ty východiska a problémy vidíme stejně.

Těším se na další."
2,64263,2019-11-15T15:06:19.746Z,11512,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,63998,anon3353600255,anon4150512643,Budeme se těšit na info z Vašeho setkání!
3,64454,2019-11-18T08:19:06.742Z,11512,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,63998,anon4241195410,anon4150512643,"Nase skupinka, nas projekt!!!!!
<image here> 


jsme v kontaktu s politickym uskupenim, ktere je nam ideove i personalne velmi blizke a ktere treba nase napady pouzije v realne kampani:)

uz zitra se tento politicky subjekt predstavi verejnosti. A MY BUDEME U TOHO!"
1,63978,2019-11-13T10:11:53.664Z,11511,0,12,11,4,0,0,37.4,63978,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"Pozdrav svima vama koji ste se prijavili na radionice 22. novembra u Bečeju i 23. novembra u Beogradu.

Radionica u Bečeju fokusirana je na kreativnost, preduzetništvo i ulaganje u mlade, a radionica u Beogradu fokusirana je na saradnju i ljudsku interakciju kao važne alate za kreiranje bolje sredine za sve nas.

Bez obzira za koju radionicu ste se prijavili, dobrodošli ste da nam se pridružite na našoj turneji i dođete na obe!

Mi smo zajednica i deo projekta pod nazivom Wellbeing in Europe, koji vodi međunarodna mreža Edgeryders. Na putu smo da otkrijemo priče i projekte Srba koji se žele povezati sa drugima, koji brinu o tome da naprave razliku i stvaraju više saradnje za opšte dobro. To je otvorena zajednica i svako se može pridružiti. Objasnićemo više o zajednici kada se sretnemo.

Ja sam Tamara, i zajedno sa Jasenom i anon2649858692mi želim da vas uvedem u celu ovu priču.

anon2649858692mi i Jasen dolaze iz Brisela i veoma su uzbuđeni!

Ukratko, šta će se dešavati na događajima:

* upoznavanja učesnika

* kratki inspirativni razgovori gostiju koje smo pozvali

* vežbanje Storitelling-a i kako koristiti internet zajednicu u cilju podrške i saveta drugih

* diskusija o tome šta možemo učiniti zajedno u narednoj godini da bismo bolje živeli u svom ličnom i profesionalnom životu

* lep obrok i piće zajedno!

Da bi naše radionice bile zaista događaji zajednice, želimo da vas zamolimo da uradite dve stvari:

1. Pomozite nam da dosegnemo druge koji bi želeli da učestvuju! Možemo li da vas zamolimo da podelite sledeće pozive na vašim mrežama?

a. Radionica u Bečeju https://edgeryders.eu/t/kako-zadrzati-mlade-ljude-kreativnost-i-preduzetnistvo-ulaganje-u-mlade-za-bolju-buducnost-srbije-radionica-u-beceju/11170

b. Radionica u Beogradu https://edgeryders.eu/t/pozivamo-vas-na-egderyders-radionicu/11284

1. 2.Povežite se sa drugima tako što ćete se pridružiti diskusijama na mreži:

Tekstove sa pričama Jelene iz Beograda pogledajte ovde https://edgeryders.eu/t/da-li-u-21-veku-mozemo-govoriti-o-nacionalnom-kodu-ili-samo-o-pojedinacnom/10105

 Dr.Ubipacijentić, kako se predstavlja u našoj zajednici, kaže da smo postali narod magistara i doktora https://edgeryders.eu/t/narod-magistara-i-doktora/11244

a član zajednice Elena priča o sukobu unutar nas samih, izlasku iz zone komfora i konfuziji https://edgeryders.eu/t/bukovski/11311

Kakvo je vaše iskustvo na ovim poljima?

Vidimo se uskoro, a sledeće nedelje ćemo poslati više informacija o logistici! Za bilo kakva pitanja potražite nas na mreži u našem zajedničkom prostoru: https://wellbeing.edgeryders.eu/srb

Drago mi je što cemo se uskoro upoznati,

Tamara

Community Manager

![](https://www.google.com/s2/u/anon"
1,63911,2019-11-12T16:48:33.994Z,11507,0,13,12,2,0,0,59.6,63911,anon3140077228,anon3140077228,"Každý prázdný dům má využití!
Bývalá LDN u železniční stanice Babice nad Svitavou chátrá stále více a více. Přitom v roce 2011, kdy byla opuštěna, byla v dobrém stavu a mohla být nadále využívána. V dnešních dnech do budovy začíná zatéanon3213561856 a budoucnost této krásné stavby je v ohrožení.
My, kolektiv Linduška 408, jsme se rozhodli, že se pokusíme zabránit dalšímu chátrání budovy. Možností využití se nabízí mnoho.
Rádi bychom začali úklidem budovy a svépomocnou opravou střechy, aby již do budovy dále nezatékalo. V hlavní místnosti s panoramatickým oknem bychom chtěli uspořádat výstavu fotografií domu z dob krátce po opuštění. Dům bývalé LDN je smutnou ukázkou toho, co by se s domy nemělo stávat.
Dalším, ambicióznějším plánem, je nalezení nového využití domu a úklid a oprava budovy. V době, kdy se bydlení stává stále nedostupnějším, vidíme možné využití budovy jako sociálního bydlení např. pro matky s dětmi, seniory a mladé lidi a také jako komunitní centrum pro setkávání. Pojďme se společně zasadit o to, aby domy, ve kterých se dá bydlet, nezely prázdnotou."
2,63941,2019-11-12T22:29:57.110Z,11507,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,63911,anon3353600255,anon3140077228,"Ahoj a díky moc, že sis k nám našel cestu a podělil o tenhle skvěle znějící projekt! Moc vám držím palce a kdybyste organizovali podpůrné akce, určitě nám všem dejte vědět. Otázek je s obdobnými akcemi spojeno hodně - zažil jsem v Praze několik podobně znějících plánů spíš z dálky, osobní smutnou zkušenost jsem pak měl s Klinikou, ve které jsem v dobách její největší slávy pár akcí navštívil a jedné, dvou se jako aktér mohl i zúčastnit. Chtěl bych zdůraznit, že jsem tam rozhodně nebyl naverbován do protistátního spiknutí, skutečně se jednalo naprosto nevinné sousedské a kulturní akce..jak to nakonec dopadlo není třeba blíž představovat. Přesto, že na Vašem projektu vidím osobně na první pohled jenom to poztivní, chtěl bych se zeptat, trochu trapně, ale jo, jestli jste už nějak jednali s vlastníkem/správcem objektu (i proto, že ta blízká železniční stanice mi Kliniku i připomněla)? Bylo by skvělý, kdyby se věc podařila a narušili byste ten stereotyp ""využití chátrajících objektů ve prospěch veřejnosti = nelegální obsazení a konec civilizace"".."
3,63966,2019-11-13T08:59:33.000Z,11507,1,12,11,3,0,0,22.4,63941,anon3140077228,anon3353600255,"Ahoj Jirko, kontaktovali jsme UZSVM - což je ten úřad, který spravoval svého času (než ji předal sždc) i Kliniku - a také starosty obce Bílovice nad Svitavou, do jejíž anon3213561856astru budova spadá. Chceme hlavně vzbudit zájem o budovu, a to především legitimní cestou. Osobně i zabrání budovy, potažmo státní, vidím jako legitimní. Nicméně teď už není zabrání budovy rozumnou cestou - lidí by muselo být fůra a LDN si žádá velké investice, ty někdo těžko pustí, když nemá žádnou právní jistotu. Taková cesta byla možná na počátku, kdy dům byl v dobrém stavu, těsně po upuštění pacientů - v té době byla budova v luxusním stavu a lidé uvnitř by ji mohli udržovat a nedovolili by ničení, k jakému došlo. V současném stavu opravdu chceme, aby někdo začal jednat, případně nám dal nějaké právní záruky  a my mohli alespoň opravit střechy, aby do budovy nezatékalo a poté začít aktivně shánět investory pro větší opravy.

út 12. 11. 2019 v 23:40 odesílatel anon3353600255 via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
4,64006,2019-11-13T15:48:07.289Z,11507,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,63911,anon4241195410,anon3140077228,"Budu hodne zvedavej na reakci UZSVM, a hlavne toho starosty!"
5,64237,2019-11-15T14:00:03.420Z,11507,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,63966,anon3353600255,anon3140077228,"Jasně, souhlasím, tak trochu na okraj, v našem okolí na severním okraji Prahy je poloprázdných a vybydlených objektů dost - jedna z bývalých dominant je jako pěst na oko (https://prahatv.eu/zpravy/praha/praha-8/7057/palac-svet-bude-konecne-rekonstruovan - vevnitř jsem nebyl, ale zvenku viditelný posun žádný). Teď se hodně mluví o dědictví transformace, součástí toho je podle mě kultura obdobných investičních projektů jako tento a vliv, kterej mají na určitou mentální hygienu veřejného prostoru. Uprostřed jinak vizuálně příjemného náměstí s libeňským zámečkem stojí tenhle zabedněný objekt a všichni se v tom už třicet let tak nějak plácají.."
1,63077,2019-11-05T14:00:50.800Z,11372,0,11,10,2,0,0,12.2,63077,anon2067555318,anon2067555318,"Macierzyństwo jest wspaniałe - oczywiście są wzloty i upadki, ale ogólnie jest super. Kocham moje dziecko, męża, nie kocham natoanon1235093333st mojej pracy. Trudno wszystko opisać w kilku tylko akapitach, ale postaram się uchwycić sens.
Po macierzyńskim wróciłam do pracy w korpo. Zaczęło się spokojnie, od wdrażania na nowe stanowisko, które anon1235093333łam objąć już przed ciążą. Po jakimś czasie mój manager nałożył na mnie dodatkowe obowiązki, na co zareagowałam z zapałem, bo była to świetna okazja do nauczenia się czegoś nowego. Niestety, nie anon1235093333łąm zapewnionego szkolenia (jakiegokolwiek!) dot. nowych obowiązków, więc starałam się sobie radzić jak mogłam, od czasu do czasu prosząc kolegów z zespołu o pomoc.
Po kilku miesiącach okazało się, że moje stanowisko zostanie zlikwidowane i w związku z tym mogę aplikować na inne w obrębie tego samego działu. Od tego momentu zaczęły się regularne follow upy mojej pracy, udowadniające mi na każdym kroku jak bardzo nie nadaję się do zespołu i ja Żeby była pełna jasność - zdaję sobie sprawę, że wiele kwestii ""położyłam"", jednak żałuję, że nie dostałam dostatecznego wsparcia od moich współpracowników i przede wszystkim - szefa. Żałuję też, że odchodzę z firmy z poczuciem kompletnej porażki, po wielu latach pracy dla tej jednej korporacji."
2,63997,2019-11-13T15:06:40.553Z,11372,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,63077,anon3593942245,anon2067555318,"Och, @anon2067555318, doskonale Cię rozumiem - przechodzę przez podobny scenariusz teraz. 

Zastanawiam się, czy anon1235093333łaś szansę spokojnie i dogłębnie przegadać sytuację z kimś przełożonym, albo chociaż znajomym z pracy? Czy wykorzystałaś wszystkie dostępne narzędzia? Zrezygnowałaś sama, bo nie mogłaś tego znieść, czy zostałaś zwolniona?

trudno jest wytłumaczyć skłonność zwalniania pracowników z doświadczeniem i wiedzą, biorąc pod uwagę, jak drogie i czasochłonne jest wdrażanie osoby na stanowisko, w kulturę firmy, jej mechanizmy. Czy nie masz wrazenia, że jest to z jakiegoś powodu związane z Twoim macierzyństwem? A więc dyskryminacja? 

Daj znać, może uda nam się znaleźć jakieś wsparcie dla Ciebie ;)"
1,63558,2019-11-08T20:11:59.319Z,11453,0,6,5,2,0,0,11.2,63558,anon1135619718,anon1135619718,"Zniszczymy się własną bronią...Temat jaki coraz częściej mnie nurtuje to fenomen urządzeń elektronicznych ( głównie jednego-telefonu komórkowego). To czym na przestrzeni lat stał się dla nas zlepek płytek i kabelków uwieńczony wyświetlaczem przechodzi ludzkie pojęcie. Zieanon1235093333nie nie potrafią już iść na koncert i się bawić bo w jednej ręce musi być telefon, który uwieczni to zdarzenie. Przecież caly świat musi wiedzieć co robimy w danym momencie. Jak ktoś nie istnieje w sieci to go nie ma.... Gdziekolwiek nie spojrzymy ludzie gapią się w wyświetlacz telefonu. A to w pociągu, tramwaju, kolejce do lekarza, przy niedzielnym obiedzie u mamy i nawet na luksusowych wakacjach. Każda zwykła czynność życiowa prowokuje nasze myślenie na temat uwiecznienia danej chwili i „ sprzedania” jej innym w mediach społecznościowych. Bo przecież najważniejsze jest wiedzieć co anon2048560043 zjadła dzisiaj na kolacje albo jakie buty kupił Karol. Lubimy się oceniać i porównywać. Ciągle się ścigamy i kreujemy swój wizerunek. A wystarczy na moment się zatrzymać i pomyśleć-po co nam to wszystko? Czy nie lepiej korzystać z danej chwili tu i teraz wyciskając ją jak cytrynę, zaanon1235093333st kombinować jak tu się ładnie ustawić do selfie. Ktoś mądry kiedyś powiedział, że jedyne co musimy to umrzeć. Więc nie spinajmy się, czerpmy z życia garściami i pamiętajmy, że żadnemu pseudo znajomemu w sieci nic nie musimy udowadniać. Życie jest tu i teraz! 

anon1135619718"
2,63993,2019-11-13T14:48:04.916Z,11453,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,63558,anon3593942245,anon1135619718,"Hej! @anon1135619718, o tym samym myslalam ostatnimi dniami, podrozujac po roznych anon1235093333stach i chodzac wszedzie z pomoca telefonu. 10 lat temu to bylo nie do pomyslenia - korzystalam z map miejskich, pytalam ludzi. Teraz juz nie musze, i czuje sie troche... ubezwlasnowolniona, na wlasne zyczenie. 

Jak Ty prowadzisz swoje życie z technologią? Udaje Ci się odłączyć, może nie masz smartfona? Chętnie poczytałabym jakieś dobre praktyki w tym zakresie. I jak sobie wyobrażasz nasze zniszczenie technologią? To jest duży, ciekawy temat. 

Pozdrawiam!"
1,59912,2019-09-25T18:41:04.853Z,10869,0,13,12,2,0,0,12.6,59912,anon29865912,anon29865912,"Witajcie, 
temat różnorodności, a raczej jej braku w Polsce, bardzo mnie dotyka. Jako dziecko byłem bardzo zamknięty w sobie, nieśanon1235093333ły, nie anon1235093333łem zbyt wielu przyjaciół. Jako 16-17-latek wyjechałem na obóz Children’s International Summer Villages do Luneburga w Niemczech. To wydarzenie zmieniło moje życie, nastawienie do innych, otwartość na świat. Poznałem tam ludzi z różnych stron globu - z Indii, Indonezji, Filipin, Kolumbii, również oczywiście z Europy, Kanady i USA. Przez 2 tygodnie razem spędzaliśmy czas, dużo rozmawialiśmy, wygłupialiśmy się, graliśmy w mafię. Okazało się, że mimo iż różni  nas kultura, język, religia czy różne doświadczenia, to jesteśmy do siebie jednocześnie bardzo podobni pod kątem potrzeb, emocji, człowieczeństwa. Dlatego tak trudno mi zrozumieć naszą obecną politykę względem cudzoziemców, uchodźców, względem osób LGBT. Obecnie, od kilku miesięcy jestem we Francji, zacząłem kurs językowy, podczas którego spotkalem ludzi z Mongolii, Wietnamu, Syrii, innych krajów arabskich - takich samych, jak ja, chcących pracować, zakładać rodziny, spotykać się ze znajomymi, przyjemnie spędzać czas. Podczas podróży do Francji poznalem Polkę, która mieszka tu ponad 15 lat. Opowiadała mi, że Francuza nie dziwi to, że mężczyzna z mężczyzną idą za rękę, czy całują się na ulicy, podobnie jak to, że pary
tej samej płci wychowują dzieci. W takim społeczeństwie chcę żyć."
2,60179,2019-09-30T14:45:37.501Z,10869,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,59912,anon3593942245,anon29865912,"hej @anon29865912, jestes kolejna osoba, ktora zglasza sie z tym pytaniem do nas - @anon517337553 też o tym pisała, czekam na rozwinięcie jej spostrzeżeń

https://edgeryders.eu/t/roznorodnosc-spoleczna/10685/3

Wiele osób wydaje się zgadzać z tezą, że jeśli spotkamy kogoś spoza naszej kultury, to nasze zdanie na jego/jej temat ma szansę szybko się zmienić - wyrastamy ze stereotypów. Ja mieszkałam w 9 krajach w swojej historii jako nomadka, dwa razy w Azji - sporo mnie to nauczyło nt. ludzi, których przestałam postrzegać dogmatycznie, bo jesteśmy naprawdę zróżnicowanym gatunkiem i to jest w nas fascynujące. Nawet nie chcesz mysleć o świecie złożonym z samych bialych anon3213561856olików :) Znam to doskonale, i brakuje mi większej różnorodności w Berlinie, który wbrew pozorom jest wciąż bardzo biały i Europejski."
3,63609,2019-11-09T11:30:07.834Z,10869,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,60179,anon3508149231,anon3593942245,"Hej!
Myślę, że w Berlinie jest dużo różnorodności...i mam wrażenie, że tutaj aż w drugą stronę - ze stron środowisk skrajnie lewackich (te skrajnie prawe raczej są bardzo tępione). 

Myślę, że ten temat znowu nie jest czarno-biały. Ja osobiście jestem raczej osobą liberalną, ale nie lubię tendencyjności i patrzenia tylko przez pryzmat własnych przekonań bez tego marginesu, że z innej perspektywy może być jednak inaczej, a moja rzeczywistość nie jest tą jedyną (to wyklucza dialog, polaryzuje, tworzy my i oni). 

Ja myślę, że poprzez fakt, że dużo nas, Polaków, ma obecnie kontakt z zagranicą, powoduje, że stajemy się co raz bardziej tolerancyjni. A że akurat aktualna władza przemawia do ludzi, chcących mieć świat czarno-biały, to karmi się takie skrajne postawy i osoby tak myślące czują się nawet w obowiązku by bronić jej wizji świata, uważając ten drugi za zdegenerowany. 

Ale to też nie jest tak, że ta różnorodność to tylko coś pozytywnego, z czego możemy się uczyć,a  różnice nie stwarzają konfliktów w codzienności. Ja zacząłem zauważać w Berlinie, że migracja na dużą skalę stwarza też problemy -> inne podejście choćby do czystości, do komunikacji międzyludzkiej, obecność w niej przemocy, poszanowania przestrzeni innych (porównajmy sobie np. podejście do przestrzeni indywidualnej w Polsce, Niemczech, czy na Bliskim Wschodzie).
Jeśli wszystkie ze stron będą zainteresowane tym, by poszerzać swoją tolerancję i dbać o to, żeby żyło nam się wspólnie dobrze, to nie ważne jakiej narodowości to będą ludzie - dogadają się. Ale jeśli każdy będzie demonstrował słuszność swojego świata, nie dopuszczając innego podejścia...wtedy dogadanie się będzie dużo trudniejsze. 

LGBT...każdy ma prawo podchodzić indywidualnie do kwestii seksualności, homoseksualizmu, otwartości mówienia o tym. Moim zdaniem jest to, jak religia, kwestia prywatna i nie ma potrzeby polityzowania tego tematu. Bo  zarówno jedna strona i druga, ma swoje argumenty. Tak długo jak rozmawiamy i wymieniamy się argumentami, jesteśmy za albo przeciw, to wszystkie poglądy są ok. Homoseksualista, czy człowiek rodzący się jako mężczyzna, ale wybierający sobie życie jako kobieta, nie może wyanon1547754019ć od każdego, że ten będzie myślał w ten sam sposób, co on i każdemu ma to się podobać, tak jak i jemu. Należy mu się szacunek, bo jest po prostu człowiekiem. Ale żeby robić z tego jakąś ideologię, szerzyć i w pewnym sensie narzucać też swoje podejście do danego tematu - uważam, że to też zachowanie agresywne. 

Generalnie te wątki, to tematy rzeka...ale fajnie, że są poruszane.

Pozdrawiam i czyńmy wobec tego coś dobrego, by zmieniać ten świat na lepsze! :slight_smile:"
4,63983,2019-11-13T10:32:57.426Z,10869,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,59912,anon1274458134,anon29865912,"Kolejna wypowiedź na ciekawy temat. Nasz kraj istotnie jest dość wyjątkowy pod tym względem - choć tak naprawdę od niedawna - zarówno I jak i II Rzeczpospolita były mocno zróżnicowane religijnie i etnicznie. Kilkakrotnie słyszałem od swojego przyjaciela, że Polska powinna być bardziej różnorodna. W znaczeniu - mieć więcej mieszkańców innej religii, pochodzenia czy rasy niż biali Polacy. Ja mu na to zawsze odpowiadałem, że różnorodność nie powinna być wartością samą w sobie. To tylko pewien fakt społeczny czy społeczeństwo jest bardziej czy mniej zróżnicowane. Nie podoba mi się idealizowanie tego faktu. Napływ imigrantów to z pewnością wyzwanie, które niesie zarówno szanse jak i zagrożenia. Mam wrażenie, że jest w nas jakiś sentyment za dawną kolorową i wieloetniczną Rzeczpospolitą. Nie pamiętamy jednak jakie konflikty i wrzenie ta różnorodność powodowała. Proszę nie zrozumcie mnie źle - ubytek z naszego społeczeństwa Żydów, Rusinów, Oranon1235093333n itd itd. wcale mnie nie cieszy. Mierzi mnie tylko nieco takie sentymentalne i emocjonalne podchodzenie do kwestii mniejszości etnicznych. 

Pytanie do znających Berlin: @anon"
1,58798,2019-09-04T21:24:39.886Z,10685,0,14,13,6,0,0,47.8,58798,anon517337553,anon517337553,"Dzień dobry wszystkim 

Chciałam poruszyć temat braku różnorodności (kulturowej, rasowej, religijnej itd) w Polsce. Różnimy się na tym punkcie od wielu innych krajów europejskich, oczywiście, wpływa to także na kształt społeczeństwa. Dla wielu osób to jeden z powodów wyjazdu, dla niektórych źródło sensu tożsamosci. 

Zastanawiam się jakies są wasze przemyślenia na ten temat."
2,58809,2019-09-05T07:30:10.897Z,10685,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,58798,anon2446385507,anon517337553,"Cześć, witamy w naszej społeczności! Myślę, że różnorodność kulturowa jest głównym tematem, który odkrywamy we wszystkich opowieściach. Niektórzy mówią o wrażliwości małych anon1235093333st, co czyni je idealnym terenem dla konserwatywnej polityki. Inni odczuwają brak różnorodności na poziomie osobistym. Nie czują się bezpiecznie, ponieważ są inne i mogą zostać zaatakowane lub prześladowane.

Polecam Ci kilka historii - zobaczy, co o nich myślisz, i nie wahaj się zostawić komentarza. Czasami łatwiej jest dołączyć do istniejących rozmów niż zacząć pisać o sobie. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-kosciol-nie-bedzie-u-wladzy-to-nie-pojda-do-nieba/10445

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edukacja-edukacja-edukacja/10517


https://edgeryders.eu/t/fajterka/10476"
3,58957,2019-09-09T12:12:18.441Z,10685,1,8,7,4,0,0,26.6,58798,anon3593942245,anon517337553,"hej! bardzo mnie ten temat interesuje - brak różnorodności w Polsce, i marzenie o jak największym ujednoliceniu społecznym w tym kraju, zaczęły mi przeszkadzać po pierwszych wyjazdach za granicę. W pewnym momencie to, co wydawało mi się normalne i codzienne, zaczęło wyglądać dziwnie. Jesteśmy 40-milionowym krajem, w których większość, anon1235093333żdżąca, jest biała i anon3213561856olicka. Nawet polskie mniejszości kulturowe i etniczne są tak słabo widoczne dla większości z nas, że rzadko przypominasz sobie o ich istnieniu. 

Jest mi sie łatwiej utożsaanon1235093333ć z miejscami, które są zróżnicowane, bo nie lubię łatek, etykiet, szufladek ani nie lubie spełniania różnych zewnętrznych wyobrażeń i oczekiwań. odkrywanie siebie, dojrzewanie w tych różnych środowiskach sprawiło, że nie mogłabym czuć się już dobrze w tej ujednolicającej Polsce, jaką znam, ani nie anon1235093333łabym energii mierzyć się z opresją, jaką czuję, kiedy wracam. Autocenzurą, bo wiem, że nie wpasowuję się w standard. 

Jak to jest w Twoim przypadku @anon517337553?"
4,62713,2019-10-31T19:49:11.262Z,10685,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,58957,anon517337553,anon3593942245,"Zdecydowanie. Dopiero wróciłam z Krakowa, ostatnio bylam tam kilka lat temu - zdziwiło mnie, że wydaje się bardziej 'międzykulturowy', ale szybko zorientowałam się, że to nie jest międzykulturowość tylko turyzm. Dla mnie międzykultowość oznacza współistnienie różnych kultur, religii i proces wzajemnego uczenia się od siebie. Nie jest tym samym co 'znoszenie' turystów z innych krajów. Więc na powierzchni duże anon1235093333sta w Polsce mogą wydawać się nieco bardziej zróżnicowane niż dawniej, ale to raczej kwestia tego, że ceny ryanaira są tańsze i więcej osób orientuje się, że Polska jest atrakcyjnym celem turystycznym. Jest to oczywiście korzystne dla Polski dlatego turyści są znoszeni jako konieczność. 
Marzę o Polsce, która jest naturalnie wielokulturowa, podobnie jak Londyn, gdzie ludzie zwyczajnie współistnieją, i nawet jeżeli nie jest idealnie (nikt nie mówi, że w UK nie ma np. rasizmu), to jest to środowisko, ktore jest dla  mnie  prawdziwne i odczuwane jako dom - bo świat jest zróżnicowany i żeby rozwijąć się jako indywiduum musimy zaakceptować tą różnorodność."
5,63974,2019-11-13T09:34:28.175Z,10685,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,62713,anon1274458134,anon517337553,"Dość często zastanawiałem się nad poruszonym przez Ciebie tematem. Właściwie nigdy nie byłem na Zachodzie (poza jedną kilkudniową wizytą w Berlinie i dwoma w Wlk. Brytanii), natoanon1235093333st dość często odwiedzałem kraje bałkańskie, Rumunię, Ukrainę oraz Kaukaz Południowy. Widziałem więc społeczeństwa dość mocno zróżnicowane religijnie i etnicznie. Na Zachodzie oczywiście widziałem na ulicach osoby o zupełnie odmiennej urodzie. Uważam, że naprawdę ciekawym i świetnym doświadczeniem jest móc obcować z ludźmi innych kultur - poznawać różnice, ale przede wszystkim wspólne wartości, które decydują o naszym człowieczeństwie. Fajnym doświadczeniem dla turysty, podróżnika będzie zobaczyć obok siebie cerkiew, kościół anon3213561856olicki i meczet. Nie uważam jednak różnorodności etnicznej czy religijnej za wartość samą w sobie. Choć jawi się jako ciekawa i zajmująca, nie chcę jej idealizować. Uważam wręcz, że może prowadzić do powstania różnego rodzaju napięć i wrzenia. Byliśmy przed wojną społeczeństwem wieloetnicznym i wieloreligijnym i niestety był to dla naszego społeczeństwa i państwa ogromny problem, choć koloryt pokuckiego anon1235093333steczka był niewątpliwy ;) wymienić można choćby walkę ekonomiczną między a Żydami a Polakami, wynikającą ze znacznej przewagi czy wręcz monopolu żydowskiego w niektórych obszarach (słynne ""nasze kamienice, wasze ulice""), żydowskie sentymenty ku Rosji Radzieckiej, terrorystyczną działalność Organizacji Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów, burzenie cerkwi prawosławnych przez organy państwowe, kolonizację wojskową Kresów i długi jeszcze rejestr krzywd i pretensji wszystkich stron. Jednocześnie nie sposób nie podziwiać modelu szwajcarskiego, gdzie mimo różnicy językowej i różnego pochodzenia etnicznego obywateli udało się stworzyć wspólne, sprawne państwo. Zresztą dobrym przykładem byłaby również Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów, gdzie członkiem narodu politycznego mógł być każdy szlachcic bez względu na wyznanie i pochodzenie etniczne, o ile deklarował lojalność dla króla (wielkiego księcia) i przede wszystkim dla wolności obywatelskich i praw rzeczypospolitej. 
Dla jasności dodam, że sprzeciwiam się odgórnym procesom unifikacyjnym. Uważam za istotne i ważne, prawo do zachowania własnej kultury, tożsamości i języka przez mniejszości religijne i etniczne. Nie widzę problemu, nawet chciałbym by śląska godka była bardziej obecna w życiu Górnego Śląska, jednocześnie jednak niepokoją mnie projekty polityczne Ruchu Autonomii Śląska - wtedy jakoś słowa o ""ukrytej opcji niemieckiej"" przestają śmieszyć.

I już zupełnie na koniec i niejako przy okazji. @anon2446385507 : swego czasu zdarzyło mi się w Rumunii, że nie chciano ze mną rozmawiać po rumuńsku na stacji benzynowej w okolicy Rimetei/Torocko, w regionie zamieszkanym w większości przez Węgrów :O jak widać podłe zachowanie może wychodzić nie tylko od większości, ale również od mniejszości ;)"
1,63684,2019-11-10T17:19:19.245Z,11479,0,10,9,3,0,0,32.0,63684,anon1545677655,anon1545677655,"![](https://cdn.auckland.ac.nz/aem/content/auckland/en/news/2019/06/19/organic-future-food-sustainability/jcr:content/leftpar/imagecomponent/image.img.1024.medium.jpg/1560891811000.jpg)

Stoupne si k ledničce s připraveným odpadkovým košem, začne prohlížet data na potravinách. Všechno, co je již po datu spotřeby hází do koše, nekontroluje, zda jsou potraviny ještě konzumovatelné. Když jsem tohle viděla, nechápala jsem, jak někdo může vyhazovat jídlo, jen kvůli datu, které je na obalu.

Ano, občas se stane, že nestihneme zkonzumovat ovoce či pečivo, které nám zplesniví nebo ztvrdne, ale vyhazovat potraviny jen kvůli tomu, že jsou den či dva po lhůtě a nic jim není mi nepřipadá správný. Tohle byl asi prvotní popud k tomu, začít přemýšlet o plýtvání potravinami, a jelikož jsem si v té době měla vybírat téma na bakalářskou práci, vybrala jsem si právě tuto problematiku. Když jsem začínala s psaním práce, neměla jsem tušení o organizacích ani o možnosti darovat potraviny a myslím, že kdybych se nezačala touto problematikou zabývat dál, nic bych o nich nevěděla. Bylo by dobré, kdyby byli lidé více informovaní, kam dát potraviny, o kterých ví, že je nestihnou zkonzumovat.

Slyšeli jste někdy o veřejných lednicích, kam můžete donést potraviny, které nesníte, či si vzít zdarma jiné, které potřebujete? Myslím, že je to skvělý projekt, jak zredukovat potravinový odpad. Na druhou stranu si myslím, že by lednice mohli být lépe umístěny, například u vchodů do supermarketů/hypermarketů, každý přeci chodí nakupovat. Lidé by o lednicích věděli a měli je v blízkosti, tím pádem by je začali více využívat. Kdyby šli nakupovat z domova, vzali by věci ze své lednice, o kterých ví, že nebudou jíst a dali by je do veřejné lednice, tam by si zas mohli vzít věci, které potřebují a nemusejí za to utrácet peníze.

Za nedlouho proběhne za letošní rok již druhá sbírka potravin, do roku 2018 probíhala jen jednou ročně. Přesto jsou sbírky pořádány jen párkrát do roka a myslím si, že by o nich měli být lidé lépe informovaní. Ve větších supermarketech či hypermarketech, by mohli být bedny na jídlo každodenně a jednou za týden by si potravinová banka jídlo svezla, do beden by se mohlo dávat jak nakoupené jídlo navíc, tak potraviny nakoupené dříve, které jíst nebude, samozřejmě musí být ještě ve lhůtě. https://www.sbirkapotravin.cz/

Dobrá by mohla být aplikace, kde si lidé sdílí jídlo, které nezkonzumují. V aplikaci by si člověk mohl vybrat oblast ve které žije či je v jeho blízkosti, tam by mohl buď sdílet svoje jídlo nebo naopak si jídlo od někoho vzít. Našlo by se tam jak hotové (uvařené) jídlo tak suroviny či potraviny.

Myslím, že díky těmto opatřením by se snížil potravinový odpad a zároveň by si lidé začali navzájem více pomáhat. Co si o tom myslíte vy, máte zkušenosti s darováním potravin? Znáte veřejné lednice, využíváte je nebo jsou pro Vás moc daleko? Účastníte se potravinových sbírek, víte o nich? Máte vždy čas jít do obchodu v den potravinové sbírky nebo by akce měla probíhat celoročně? Chtěli byste být více informováni?"
2,63704,2019-11-11T06:56:21.080Z,11479,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,63684,anon4241195410,anon1545677655,"ahojj anon1545677655,

Diky za prispevek.

Hazu ti sem odkaz na brnenskou aplikace Nesnezeno:
https://brnenska.drbna.cz/zpravy/spolecnost/13307-nesnezeno-brnensky-projekt-pomaha-v-boji-proti-zbytecnemu-plytvani-potravin.html"
3,63745,2019-11-11T11:58:55.931Z,11479,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,63684,anon4062071924,anon1545677655,"Ahoj anon1545677655, super článěk, díky moc. Mě překvapilo, jak se do týhle problematiky celkem aktivně vložilo Tesco (jakkoli si osobně myslím, že spíše než o dobrý záměr jde o dobrý marketing). Mají to udělané pěkně (jak myšlenkou, tak vizuálně při prezentování výsledků) viz https://mojetesco.cz/boj-proti-plytvani-potravinami/
Stejně tak by pro tebe a tvou bakalářku mohla být zajímavá loňská výroční studie, kde mají čísla opravdu zajímavá (https://www.mistoprodeje.cz/obsah/zajimavosti-z-retailu/retezec-tesco-zverejnil-zpravu-o-plytvani-potravinami-za-rok-2018-19/). Myslím, že když se na podobnejch tématech začnou spojovat korporace, který na jejich prodeji produktů vydělávají, může vzniknout dlouhodobě udržitelná koncepce a synergie... Každopádně si vnesla moc zajímavý téma do našich diskusí, sám na datum spotřeby nekoukám, prostě pohledem sjedu lednici, jestli vše vypadá opticky poživatelně (téměř vždy jo, ale možná mám nízký nároky:))), takže jsem se nad ""recyklací"" potravin nikdy moc nezamýšlel... Kde najdu nějakou mapu těch lednic v Praze, o kterejch mluvíš? Díky a měj se krásně!"
4,63764,2019-11-11T15:54:21.219Z,11479,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,63704,anon1545677655,anon4241195410,"Ahoj, 

jojo o aplikaci vím, funguje i tady v Praze, ale já myslela, že by ta aplikace mohla být i pro domácnosti, že by každý mohl sdílet jídlo, které má doma navíc a ví, že ho nestihne sníst."
5,63766,2019-11-11T16:10:53.116Z,11479,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,63745,anon1545677655,anon4062071924,"Ahoj Kubo, děkuju moc za tipy, tady posílám odkaz na mapu, kde jsou vyznačena místa s komunitníma lednicema. https://www.google.com/maps/@anon"
6,63769,2019-11-11T16:38:59.888Z,11479,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,63766,anon4062071924,anon1545677655,"Hm a my na osmičce žádnou nemáme :(   ...hele a to Tesco, ti jsou jediní, nebo se to začíná nějak rozbíhat i u ostatních řetězců? Každopádně tvůj nápad s nějakou ""lednicí"" / sbírkou / cokoli v supermarketu mi dává smysl rozhodně... Nemám rád igelitky, takže doma odpad třídím do proutěnýho košíku, kterej když se jednou, dvakrát týdně naplní, jdu nakupovat - cestou zrecykluju, flašky od piva vrátím v obchodě a do košíku rovnou nakupuju a odnáším zpět dom... Tak si dokážu docela dobře představit, že bych cestou tam nesl i nějaký jídlo, o kterým vím, že ho už nebudu (ne že je zkažený, ale že jsem třeba na něj přestal mít chuť, atp.). Tak snad to bude píseň blízké budoucnosti :)"
7,63777,2019-11-11T17:38:09.058Z,11479,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,63769,anon1545677655,anon4062071924,"No jedna na osmičce je v Libni, v komunitním centru, ale je to docela zastrčený, proto si myslím, že by lidé využívali lednice v blízkosti např. v těch hypermarketech. 
A tím, že je od roku 2018 u obchodech nad 400m2 povinnost nabídnout neprodejné potraviny potravinovým bankám, tak si myslim, že u hodně obchodů se něco změnilo, ale asi to nepropagují tak jako Tesco, ještě vím, že třeba Penny market je do toho docela zapojený, na stránkách mají svoje tipy jak omezit plýtvání a pár receptů ze surovin, které vypadají nepoživatelně, tady je odkaz: https://www.penny.cz/penny-corner/Konecplytvani. Taky dříve obchody odmítali prodávat ""křivou"" zeleninu nebo ovoce a Tesco a Penny market už je prodávají, aby se nevyhazovaly."
8,63784,2019-11-11T18:12:31.851Z,11479,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,63777,anon4062071924,anon1545677655,"V jakým libeňským komunitním centru to je, prosím? Bychom je mohli přizvat 23/11 na ten festival do Crossu :)"
9,63794,2019-11-11T18:40:37.548Z,11479,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,63784,anon1545677655,anon4062071924,Komunitní centrum Kotlaska: http://www.kckotlaska.cz/
10,63938,2019-11-12T22:02:09.833Z,11479,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,63794,anon3353600255,anon1545677655,"Ahoj, díky moc za příběh a tipy ode všech! Zrovna jsem se o tom doma bavili - málokdy vyhazujeme, kupujeme věci spíš průběžně..ehm, no prostě až když už všechno dojde:) Ale obecně souhlasím s tím, že obyčejná lenost může bejt na překážku v mým případě třeba dojet z Ládví..ale takovejhle nápad je fakt nízkonákladovej, skoro se divím, že je jich zatím tak málo. Přijde mi, že u nás v blízkém okolí (Ládví, P8) funguje hodně dobře taková přirozeně plynulá neorganizovaná recyklace oblečení - ale funkční a někoho možná překvapí, že nejde jen o odkládání zničených kusů takzvaně pro bezdomovce. Říkám si, že snad nějaký přirozený respekt k tomuhle typu projektu by mohl fungovat i bez dohledu (což je vedle elektřiny ten největší náklad a potíž). Jen pro zajímavost - nevíte někdo náhodou, jak jsou na tom statisticky třeba Kobzovy klavíry, teda, jak je lidi ničí, nebo neničí?"
1,63825,2019-11-11T23:39:35.039Z,11497,1,13,12,7,0,0,87.6,63825,anon3467948128,anon3467948128,"Dear all,

So, the Hacanon3213561856hon on affordable housing has happened last weekend (Nov, 8th–10th). It was very nice and intense.

Firstly, quite some people didn't turn up although they filled a rather extensive form. Oh well. But in the end altogether 19 people participated, including the organizers.

After a very nice panel discussion on Friday, the participants established 4 projects that they wanted to work on.

One was on revitalizing an abandoned sanitarium near Brno, that they intend to turn into a community/innovation/creative center.
Here is a link to their FB page for those who are interested on checking their progress:
[Linduska 408](https://www.facebook.com/Lindu%C5%A1ka-408-110741400374297/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARDU9Z3sLRD06YuHTAGgrspFcUWN46-dgUwdBbf7Rh_rMSbLdkhEM9EbFHe44aAk-n2RpWy_05gBBqFU)

The second group engaged themselves in developing a strategy of a political campaign that would show drawbacks of the current city policy on housing. Also, this campaign should show potential improvements to that flawed system.

Another group suggested a city-assisted platform/agency that would remove some obstacles that young and underprivileged people face when searching for housing.

Last but not least! A disruptive intervention into the public space was designed. Thru art installation and series of videos and interviews, the authors want to challenge the current views on what portion of one's resources and time should be sacrificed to the altar of housing.

We believe to further develop these projects beyond the walls of this hacanon3213561856hon."
2,63828,2019-11-12T07:41:04.185Z,11497,0,13,12,1,0,0,22.6,63825,anon4241195410,anon3467948128,"@anon

Hi guys, 
As organizers, we created this topic for communication with our potential international friends and colleagues who are into social/affordable housing.

So please, don't hesitate to contact us here with any questions you may have.

Panel discussion:<image here> 
"
3,63857,2019-11-12T10:25:13.907Z,11497,0,12,11,2,1,0,12.4,63825,anon3593942245,anon3467948128,"[quote=""anon3467948128, post:1, topic:11497""]
Another group suggested a city-assisted platform/agency that would remove some obstacles that young and underprivileged people face when searching for housing.
[/quote]

Great to read @anon3467948128 - We are not waiting for the participants and other organisers to share the detailed reflections and maybe descriptions of the project ideas, then I'd be very happy to start directing you to our housing rights community and see if there's any chance to collaborate or cross pollinate at least! Especially @anon3760940791 i @anon205870463 are one of the veterans of the local tenant's rights movement in Lublin, Poland."
1,63630,2019-11-10T07:50:42.111Z,11467,0,8,7,6,0,0,31.6,63630,anon3589994963,anon3589994963,"I am a person who was accidentally born in the former Yugoslavia. When I say by accident, I mean is that my parents were young students when I was born, obviously, they didn't know much about contraception. I was brought up as a cosmopolitan. I ended up working in 57 or 58 countries worldwide. On both sides, my grandparents were teachers. My parents ended up being university professors, I was destined to become a university professor. 

I was the best high school student in the former Yugoslavia and I was given an opportunity to choose where I wanted to continue my education. I had read in the newspapers that the Bay Area — meaning Berkeley, Oakland, San Francisco — was the place to be at the late 60s, with hippies, with riots, with the sexual revolution. It was THE place for me to continue my studies, I decided.

I ended up being among the best students in that school as well. Not just in the studies, but also in sports. I was already a master in judo. I was a swimmer. I was an ice sanon3213561856er, mountain climber and others. 

But I decided to go back, because iI felt I was supposed to return to my country and contribute to it. I decided to go into the medical field. And I knew from the very beginning that I wouldn’t be a typical doctor: I was going to be a forensic pathologist. 

But when the Civil War started — as both a judo trainer and a forensic pathologist — I had seven of my ex Judo colleagues on my autopsy table in one day. They were killed in the war. I was the President of the doctors association, but I decided that enough was enough. Although I was quite a well known forensic pathologist worldwide — I had worked at Scotland Yard in England and for the FB. I wrote my doctoral thesis at Stanford, was at NYU and at Cornell. 

But I decided one morning that it would be my last day in the medical field. I decided I’d turn my hobby into my work: being a coach and trainer. My hobby was Applied Psychology in sports. The psychology of sports is more or less like the psychology of life. Because life is a struggle, life is a success, life is something that we aim for, to become champions. The technology of success is more or less the same. 

I ended up lecturing, visiting 57 countries coaching people in Applied Psychology, being a public speaker. My only handicap is that I come from where I come from. Otherwise, I would probably be one of the most well-known public speakers and trainers in the world. I work with people like John Maxwell, one of the leading lecturers in the field of leadership. I work with Bob Proctor. 

I’ve published 13 books so far in different areas of Applied Psychology: in management, leadership, stress management, time management. I ended up returning to the academic field, as a professor in communications. It’s kind of unusual that somebody with a medical background ends up coaching and training quite well known, local and international professionals in politics, arts, theater, movies, etc. 

I was the head of different international teams for negotiations and more. So my life was quite International. And I didn't see a reason to  publish something in English, because plenty of literature is already out there. But one of my books is was quite well known and appreciated in Russia. Recently, I’ve published a new book out, entitled “Future in the rear mirror.” Itt summarize my life in 60 stories — what has directed me through life. 

I feel that we need to understand that we are very present in the lives of others, but we are not trained to see them. But we can learn from them if we are open minded. 

Although I was born in a family of two very young students, I was lucky and my dreams — things I visualized as a kid — became a reality. I’m acquainted with 16 to 17 Nobel Prize winners, I’ve worked in prestigious universities. I was an expert in different fields, I traveled the world, and I’ve touched the lives of over a million people. 

I enjoy working with young people, especially because that's something that I was taught from the early years of my childhood: as long as you're curious, as long as you keep your mind open, as long as you have this childish curiosity your vital and you're and you're alive. Otherwise you'll turn into a zombie. 

Being 67, I feel quite comfortable within myself. I actually feel quite young and I enjoy life. But also, knowing that if you want to be motivated, you need to build up a community of happy, motivated positive people around you. 

In my professional life, I had roughly 4500 autopsies. This meant I was part of many tragic stories of the violence of death, of different family histories, and criminal backgrounds. This has  made me quite compatible with the realism of life, we do need to live moment to moment. That's something that I tend to transfer to my students regardless of their age and regardless of their field of  interest. Whether it's through sport, whether it's through my academic lectures or my seminars and workshops.

I was invited by Jonkoping University in Sweden where I taught a subject called “the role of young people in their communities. It was about 12 or 14 years ago. I remember the curriculum, it was never too formal. This course had a direct link to my lifetime experience, because when I was preparing for the European Junior Championship, I was injured and I ended up in a coma for over three weeks. After that, I decided that I didn't want to continue with my sport activities in terms of competition and competing. Instead, I studied very hard to become one of the youngest coaches in judo and jujitsu. 

As a result, from an early age, I realized that teaching was a valuable method: if you do something you have a tendency to forget after a while, but If you learn something through experience by transferring knowledge to somebody, then you dig deep into the background of the topic, the idea. And that's the best way to learn. 

I have students all over the world. And because of the time difference, I practically never sleep. Because when I finish with my students in New Zealand and Australia, then my students wake up in California. 

But that's that's my life. I'm a teacher, and I enjoy it. 

When the time comes that I have to leave the planet, I want to leave only one virtual thing behind: Dr. Nick, the teacher. 

In my career as Judo coach, I was affiliated with American Judo Academy, having the highest rank you can have in sports in Japanese martial arts:  Sensei, the Supreme teacher. This makes me very proud, because it was one of my dreams. The most important motivator is that self actualization, it’s being somebody, being recognized, being useful. You want to be someone who isn't just a number or just a name, but some someone who makes a mark on other people. 

Besides my professional life of being a doctor and being a motivator, public speaker, and author, I’m also the father of seven children. The span of the ages are between 7 and 40. It’s quite a broad spectrum of experience with regards to different times, different ages, and of course the different places in the world where they grew up: different surroundings, circumstances and so on. 

Just before our interview, I had returned from the city. Now, looking back at the time 15 to 20 years ago, I cannot understand anymore where got the energy and the willpower from to live in places like Manhattan, like Tokyo, like Moscow,, like San Francisco. For me now, I have to drive 15 minutes to go to the city. In the past, it was quite normal for me to be stuck in traffic for two hours. I know it’s all about perspective. 

My interest then was to be part of the melting pot and to be as present as much as possible in the crowd. Now, I like to look at the things from aside, because the view is better. Although for me and my family it’s generally never a problem to go to the city, it’s only half an hour, it’s not the South Pole. But it's another thing to think about, how your perception changes, how life changes.

When I was young, the most important thing for me was to win the most prestigious prize or award. Now value lays in playing with my children and doing things like that. I guess that's the reason why in most of the past societies, you had this combination of those who are biologically and economically at the top who were middle-aged, and then you had the Council of the old, who directed them with their experiences. 

When we are young, we look at the things from case to case. After a while, if you are a good observer, you'll realize that quality of life exists starts from from physical health. Young people don't worry too much about it, because for them, it's understood that they are healthy, that they are strong, that they are vital. But if you want to be in balance, you want to be happy, you need to apply spiritual health, ecological health, and business health. This is vital wisdom older experienced people can transfer to young people. 

The times have changed a lot in my home country especially. I lived in five different countries without moving. That's the dynamism of the world that we live in. But there are some principles which never change, that are pliable. I don’t mean by imitating them like monkeys, but by moderating them and applying them to different aspects of life. 

For example, whatever is in the past, whatever you cannot influence, forget about it. I don’t mean forget the facts, but don't it interfere with your life. That's one of the principles very few people apply. 

Of course — knowing what I know as I was involved in building the largest brain bank in the world — I am aware of our limits. For example, comparing the brains of those who would jump in order to sue to commit suicide, to those who fell accidentally, I understand what our brain’s biochemistry does as well. Different surroundings and topics influence our behavior. The question is, to what extent we can actively influence our state of mind and our emotions.

It's the reason why there are so many unhappy people worldwide. And why the concept of materialism within the globalization is influencing people: they look for happiness in material goods, in the outer world without sinking and deep diving into themselves. That's something  I can help with, but people have to do it — and find it — themselves. Because, if you don't like yourself, if you don't love yourself, why would somebody love you if you don't have anything to give? That's something people don't always understand. 

When I was very young, my first playmates weren’t children, they were my parents’ professors. And one of the things I learned from them very early on, is that if you can’t you can explain something to a completely illiterate person, then you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about yourself. 

I was the president of the Doctors Association, so I had over 4500 doctors around me. A lot of them tried to hide their ignorance within Latin phrases, they were hoping that it would get them respect. But it doesn't happen, because people want to understand what you’re saying in very plain language.

I was a professor of wellbeing theory at the postgraduate level at university. One of my colleagues mentioned they decided to give me the subject, because I enjoy living. Wellbeing is, first of all, an individual feeling of balance. And that's the balance that I was mentioning earlier. Without that balance, we are insecure, even being physically out of balance. In order to maintain that balance, we need to recognize that we have to oppose the gravity mediocrities. You need to be actively focused on who you are, who you want to be, where you want to go. And to be ready to do it yourself with or without support from others. 

When you achieve something more or less by accident, you are lost. You should know where you're going, and that you’ll have to rely on yourself in getting there. Then, whatever you achieve, you'll get this psychological success, which means more self respect, which means more self confidence or more motivation. And that's something that people don't understand. Motivation is not like a gas selenium, go to the gas station and say, give me 10 bucks for all the gasoline motivation.

Endurance is something that is part of this process. And the achievement itself is not a destination. Achieving is the road is from where you are, where you stand, to where you want to be. We’re growing every step on the way. 

When the last day of your life comes and your turn back and look at your life, what would you want to have achieved? If you know that, and if you know that being young, you are more confident, more devoted to your mission, and you are more  likely to live a happy life. 

I ended up in Berkeley in late 60s, I met people who are hippies who turned into yuppieFor example Steve Jobs. Most of the people who knew him back then thought he was crazy. But he was crazy, just because he knew what he wanted. And most of the people didn’t know. They were hoping that something will happen with their life, while people like Steve Jobs are creating their lives. Your own personal mission statement is very important. 

I want people to be aware of the fact that we can do whatever we think, whatever crosses our mind — not just by accident, but that it is something we can achieve. In order to achieve it, we need to know who our best friend is: our subconscious mind. Unfortunately, we are not trained to do so. When we realize that all those things that we want in our life, we need to visualize and mark them with positive, joyful feelings. Our visions are basically the models of our future life. We are influencing that border that we cannot see, the border where energy turns into matter and vice versa. 

## Post a thoughtful comment below ahead of the  **[workshop on “Creativity and Entrepreneurship - Empowering Youth for Better Future” ](https://edgeryders.eu/t/becej-serbia-workshop-creativity-and-entrepreneurship-empowering-youth-for-better-future/11188)** on November 19!

This will help us to prepare good case studies for exploring these topics in detail. It will also ensure participants are at least a bit familiar with one another’s background and experiences around the topics at hand."
2,63631,2019-11-10T07:51:46.958Z,11467,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,63630,anon3589994963,anon3589994963,"@anon3346229079 can you guide Dr. Nick into making edits to his interview? When that's done you can ask him t post the text in ""tell your story"" - it will also be good to have this translated."
3,63800,2019-11-11T19:23:34.024Z,11467,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,63631,anon3346229079,anon3589994963,"workshop is not November 19, it's Friday the 22nd. Also, how can I suggest him edits? I didn't do the interview and I am not sure what is supposed to be the format of his story? It should be the format for typical stories in wellbeing project?"
4,63808,2019-11-11T19:58:36.415Z,11467,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,63800,anon3589994963,anon3346229079,"You don't have to do anything, just ask him to have a look at it and if he's happy with it. Once he is, this can be posted in tell your story section"
5,63814,2019-11-11T20:11:50.071Z,11467,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,63808,anon3346229079,anon3589994963,"alright, I would shorten it a bit maybe...even though he has a crazy interesting life story :slight_smile:"
6,63830,2019-11-12T08:05:03.457Z,11467,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,63630,anon3346229079,anon3589994963,@anon
1,61190,2019-10-11T16:39:27.088Z,11115,0,15,14,5,0,0,58.0,61190,anon2459271939,anon2459271939,"https://vltava.rozhlas.cz/sites/default/files/images/04006079.jpeg

Vzhledem k tomu, že tato platforma funguje na způsob postěžování si nebo snad zpovědi, pokusím se také přispět svoji bídou do mlýna. Ne že bych snad byl chronický stěžovatel, spíš naopak: snažím se přistupovat k životu pozitivně, ikdyž může přinášet krušné chvilky a beru úděly osudu s úsměvem na rtech. Ale postěžovat si můsím:). Můj problém spočívá v dostupném bydlení.

Jsem, jediný mladý pražák, který má problém sehnat slušnej bejvák za rozumnou cenu? Protože ten plat v Praze zas není o tolik větší než ve zbytku republiky, ale nájmy a ceny nemovitostí jsou neúměrně vyšší. Přiznejte se kdo sám utáhne s průměrným pražským platem průměrný pražský nájem?!? Jasně, bydlíš s buchtou nebo spolubydlíš s kámošem, ale i tak to bejvá koncem vejplaty docela drsný... A sám nemáš šanci pomalu ani na garsonku na předměstí!

Jako jo,  můžeš vegetit někde za Prahou – Beroun, Benešov, Dobříš, Kralupy... Ale když si spočítáš tu denní cestu do práce, tak se ti to skoro nevyplatí. A to nemluvim o další hodině a půl cesty do práce a zpátky, ale i o dalších chechtácích co dáš každej den kromě lítačky navíc. Ale hlavně ten čas – už teď jezdím do práce 40 minut a být k tomu, dlaších minimálně 40 minut navíc je už fakt deprimující.

Ano, chápu, do Prahy se za prací sjíždí zbytek země a i zahraniční gastarbajtři a tak je to tu krapet přeplněný a tím pádem se uplatňuje princip „neviditelné ruky trhu“: vyšší poptávka – výšší ceny. Pak ti ale hlava nebere to, že se místo novýho bydlení staví noví obchoďáky a kanceláře a když se náhodou objeví v územním plánování nějaká bytovka, tak je to mrakodrap, kde je nejlevnější byt za 15 mega. Praha je jedno z nej měst na světě a chápu, že si tu luxusní haciendu zasloží zlatá mládež z celého světa, ale co my rodilí pražáci? Mám jet bydlet do pastoušky v Brdech?

Takže ten pověstný „MamaHotel“ je vlastně důsledek problému (ne)dostupného bydlení a né že bychom se rádi nechali rozmazlovat a obsluhovat, ale spíš není moc jiných možností. Ekonomicky to prostě není udržitelný. Jó, ještě před sto lety by stačilo postavit rodičům vejminek a bylo by vystaráno, ale dnes abys stavil vejminek sobě... :) Vzpomínám, jak sem nedávno viděl statistiku, kdy mladí lidé „opouštěj hnízdo“. Zatímco ve Skandinávii je to lehce po dvaceti, my to máme asi o deset let pozdějc. A jestli to takhle půjde dál, brzo každej druhej u rodičů zestárne. Já sem jen rád, že můžu konečně ve svých čtyřiatřiceti vypadnout od našich a žít aspoň v tom spolubydlení, než se najde něco lepšího. Jak to máte vy ostatní?"
2,61194,2019-10-11T16:57:50.389Z,11115,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,61190,anon4062071924,anon2459271939,"Super článek, Martine, díky! Mám to úplně stejně a vlastně si spokojeně v Praze žiju jen díky dědictví od svých rodičů. Svoje volný kapacity (pokoj) jsem dlouhou dobu pronajímal kamarádům, abych jim a) pomohl b) si prilepšil... Leč to v drtivý většině případů dopadlo tak, že mi nájemníci nezaplatili, přestali bejt kámošema a zmizeli ze světa. A airBnb není můj styl... Tak žiju (naštěstí) sám v 2+1 (díky smutnýmu dědictví)... Ale co pro vás ostatní, jak zjednodušit přístup k vlastnímu bydlení?! ČNB loni znedostupnila hypotéky nutným prvotním vkladem 20% cílové částky... Neměla by podpora státu jít opačným směrem? Na druhou stranu, berlínské zmrazení cen nájmů na dalších 5 let - neomezuje vlastníky nemovitostí?! Obojí má své pro a proti... Jak to máte vy?"
3,61368,2019-10-15T08:11:04.234Z,11115,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,61194,anon4241195410,anon4062071924,"budte v klidu, prazaci, v Brne je to uplne stejny :)"
4,61369,2019-10-15T08:12:39.657Z,11115,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,61190,anon4241195410,anon2459271939,"pak jsou lidi, kteri zacinaji na trosku ""nevyhovujici"" startovni care...a ti jsou ted totalne v hajzlu
myslim, kdyz nemas treba uplne fungujici rodinu..zadny solidni kamose, atd."
5,61463,2019-10-15T16:41:59.477Z,11115,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,61369,anon3353600255,anon4241195410,"A jsou i lidi který zažívaj opakovaný startovní čáry - jak jsme se o tom bavili tady: 
https://edgeryders.eu/t/je-lepsi-druha-sance-nebo-prevence/11076

Některým lidem pak zbejvá už jenom ta ubytovna a nekonečný tóčo úvěrů plodících další úvěry. 

Ale obecně, teď zaznívají z Pražského magistrátu (zatím jenom) plány na zlepšení situace, startovací byty, družstevní vlastnictví, naplnění volných městských kapacit..řeší se obdobné plány v Brně? Každý krok tímhle směrem může potenciálně povolit tlak na ceny (tenkej led já a mikroekonomie:). 

Slyšel jsem od kamarádů z Vídně, že každý developer musí povinně vyhradit kapacitu (tuším, že to bylo 5 %) u každého nového projektu bydlení pro zvýhodněné městeské byty. Pokud pak splňujete základní podmínky, můžete se nechat zapsat na seznam čeanon3213561856elů - sice to trochu připomíná předlistopadový systém ""dekretů na byt"", ale místo let se čeká spíš měsíce a politická náklonnost není podmínkou:). Detaily neznám, ale líbí se mi koncept, díky kterému nevznikají ghetta levných domů na okraji měst a zároveň mladí lidé, rodiny, nebo naopak lidí starší mají určitou naději na stabilizaci svojí situace.."
6,63783,2019-11-11T18:10:47.098Z,11115,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,61463,anon4062071924,anon3353600255,"Prý by mohlo být řešením přestěhování se do Ostravy, jak ""navrhuje"" tamější primátor :slight_smile: 
 
https://ct24.cesanon3213561856elevize.cz/domaci/2973728-problem-s-bydlenim-nas-sezere-zevnitr-mini-primator-hrib-praha-chysta-navrh-zakona"
1,62951,2019-11-04T16:33:11.835Z,11356,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,62951,anon2872526393,anon2872526393,"Od kiedy pamiętam a mam już po 30 zawsze uczono mnie i moich rówieśników że mamy się czegoś lub kogoś bać... Najpierw w wieku małego srajduna rodzice, babcia straszyli że jak nie będę jadł to nie urosne, a jak będę niegrzeczny przyjdzie po mnie Pan (ktokolwiek to był) i mnie zabierze. Tu akurat z tym Panem jest to dobra praktyka dla małych dzieci coby nie ufaly wszystkim. Potem szkoła... ucz się ucz bo będziesz tak jak Ci na budowie albo pod sklepem... Jakby im było źle ehhh. Pierwsza komunia i strach przed tym że jak nie będzie się uanon1235093333ło wymienić wszystkich tajemnic różańca to bozia (czytaj ksiądz) nas nie dopuści do komunii i co i znowu strach bo nie będzie prezentów...Liceum i strach przed dyrektorem który ganiał za palenie, a i tak wszyscy palili. MUSISZ IŚĆ NA STUDIA... Byle jakie aby studiować. Tak szególnie w czasach gdy tytuł magistra jest nieszanowany. Strach przed pierwszą praca oczywiście w 90 procentach osób była to praca niezwiązana z kierunkiem studiów, a tam szef, kierownik regionalny, kontrola ciągły strach... A na kontroli nigdy nie może być dobrze bo jakby kontrola nic nie wykazała znaczy że zła kontrola i nie potrzebna. I tak spirala strachu się napędza. Oczywiście znajdą się ludzi którzy napiszą że oni są kowalami  swojego losu i co będzie to będzie ale napewno każdy anon1235093333ł pełne gacie nie raz. Zbliża się rata kredytu.... Teraz starszą Pisem wcześniej PO każdy kanał w TV ma swoje strachy ulubione i nawet czasem lubię tą farse poobserwować. Tak w skrócie wygląda mój horror...."
2,62961,2019-11-04T17:51:22.080Z,11356,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,62951,anon3593942245,anon2872526393,"ha, cześć, @anon2872526393 - nie mogę się nie zgodzić! Kiedy zdajesz sobie sprawę z tego, jak bardzo napędzamy się w Polsce strachem i obawą, które być może mają nawet jakiś bardzo prytmitywny sens (strach przed zwierzętami, które mogą nas zjeść), jak próbujesz przełamać tą spiralę? 

Wbrew pozorom, strach i ostra, często niekonstruktywna, krytyka, są częścią wielu kultur, nie tylko w Polsce. Kapitalizm świetnie operuje strachem: brakuje dla wszystkich, więc musisz się zabezpieczyć, inaczej nie będziesz anon1235093333ł. Nie ma dzielenia się. Nie ma wspierania. jest walka o przetrwanie, kompletnie sztuczna w większości przypadków. Tak ja to obieram. Chyba najbardziej ten strach jest fundamentalny w turbokapitalistycznych państwach, takich jak Anglia czy Stany Zjednoczone, gdzie strach powala ludziom nosić broń i grodzić domy, i masz zgodę na to, żeby zastrzelić osobę, która przypadkowo weszła na Twój ogródek... Do tego dochodzi logika pracy i to, że władza pozwala siać terror. Widzę to w wielu miejscach i zastanawiam się, na ile jest to jakąś perwersyjną częścią ludzkiej natury, a na ile wychowywania i socjalizowania w nurcie takich wartości.

Mi pomogła wyprowadzka z kraju - bycie w obcych kulturach pozwala mi operować inaczej, bo nie muszę wpisywać się w pewne elementy jej narracji. Tak to sobie tłumaczę."
3,63605,2019-11-09T11:05:15.155Z,11356,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,62951,anon3508149231,anon2872526393,"Cześć!
Ciekawy wątek, też nad tym trochę myślałem. Ciekawe jest, gdy np. nie ogląda się na codzień telewizji, nie śledzi za bardzo mediów, i po takim czasie detoksu włączy się telewizor - zauważam wtedy wyraźnie, jak intensywnie sprzedawane nam są emocje, wizje. Nagle coś staje się na odległość cześcią naszego świata, a tego nie zauważamy wobec siebie. 
Wspomniałem tu o telewizji, ponieważ jest to narzędzie, które znakomicie nadaje się do transmisji strachu i innych wyrazistych emocji na odległość. 

Sam temat wydaje się być dość złożony. Na pewno strach, to narzędzie, dzięki któremu łatwiej się ludźmi rządzi i manipuluje. Spójrzmy na stare baśnie i obecność w nich strachu, który ma dzieci wychowywać poprzez strach. Spójrzmy na czasu komunizmu w Polsce, gdzie była jedyna słuszna partia, a za wyrażane poglądy szło się siedzieć, albo było się pałowanym. Strach. Spójrzmy na obydwie wojny światowe, wcześniej czas zaborów, jak długi przecież. 
Ja myślę, że ten strach istnieje w nas od pokoleń i jest przekazywany z pokolenia na pokolenie, przeżywamy go też jako źle doświadczona społeczność, identyfikująca się do tego z rolą ofiary. A on nas programuje i nosimy go, odwołujemy się do niego, chcemy go w ten czy inny sposób wyrazić. 
Do tego niestabilna sytuacja ekonomiczna...która rodzi chyba ten naturalny strach o przetrwanie, bezpieczeństwo, choć to też zdaje się być nieco zaburzone, bo raczej w Polsce głodować nikt nie musi. 
Do tego wszystkiego przemoc w rodzinach, nad którą społecznie się pracuje, ale myślę, że większość jej doświadczała, szczególnie we wcześniejszych pokoleniach. Czyli wtedy jest ten mój strach, przed wszystkimi wokół, który można bardzo łatwo wybudzić. Myślę, że potrzeba dobrobytu, trochę czasu spokoju, by takie rzeczy dostrzec i z tym strachem pracować. Bo czy łatwo jest zastraszyć, czy manipulować osobą, która jest odważna i z własnym strachem się zmierzyła? 

Ostatnio dowiedziałem się, że to strach powoduje, że tak się polaryzujemy, dzielimy, izolujemy, oddzielamy dobre od złego i wrzucamy światopogląd w sztywne ramy, nie dopuszczając, nie mogąc tolerować tej naturalnej w nas ambiwalencji. Bo niewiele rzeczy jest po prostu czarne i białe. 

Pozdrawiam i życzę dobrego czasu, bez  strachu ;)"
1,61549,2019-10-17T10:07:31.882Z,11164,0,12,11,2,0,0,42.4,61549,anon2649858692,anon2649858692,"Od nepaměti se neustále řešila moje alergie a atopický ekzém. Jako dítě jsem chodila od doktora k doktorovi, do léčebných ústavů, a vzhledem k tomu, že moje anon681684766 je farmaceutická laborantka, tak se mi až natolik snažila ulevit od svědění, že jsem se místy cítila jako takový domácí pokusný králík (Nemám jí to za zlé, nerozumějte mi špatně, udivuje mě její vytrvalost a snaha pomoci dodnes a zbožňuji ji za to!).

Není to nic příjemného, neustále se střídající stavy klidu a senné rýmy, svědění očí, zápalu a svědění kůže atd. atd., nechci vyjmenovat vše, můžete googlit. Jsem klasický případ, akorát s tím rozdílem, že to, co všichni doktoři říkali mé matce, se nestalo – konkrétně, že z toho vyrostu :slight_smile:.

Po maturitě jsem se odstěhovala z domu a snažila se problémy vytěsnit a nevěnovat se jim. Brala jsem základní medikaci a mazala se krémy s kortikoidy. Byl mi doporučen alergolog, který mi po ústní konzultaci dal 2 druhy léků, které jsem měla brát 2x denně. První 3 měsíce užívání léků jsem nechtěla nic jiného než spát, a proto jsem si snížila dávkování a stav se mi tak nějak srovnal…řekněme.

V této fázi chci podoktnout, že mým hobby není chození k lékařům, ani braní různých léků apod., ba naopak.

Zase uběhlo několik let a můj stav se zhoršil, nevěděla jsem co tento stav vyvolalo, a tak začalo další kolo návštěv u lékařů jako alergolog, kožní, gastroenterolog, plicní a dalších několik kožních … popravdě už si ani nepamatuji co všechno, ale vše s nulovým výsledkem. Další léky, mastičky, inhalátory… spousty peněz nechané v lékárnách a v ordinacích. Věřila jsem, že mi to vše pomůže, ikdyž jsem měla občas pocit, že dostávám stále a tu samou odpověď –  Trpím alergii a atopickým ekzémem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (ne jako kdybych si toho za ta léta nebyla vědoma :sweat_smile:).

Vlastně jak ubíhal čas, uvědomila jsem si, že jsem u většiny doktorů byla léčena „od stolu“, vlastně se na mě ani nepodívali a jen předepisovali další a další recepty (že by jim to vynášelo peníze?). Nebyla jsem poslána na alergické testy, ani když jsem o to žádala. Došlo to do fáze, že jsem začala být apatická, nemohla spát a chodila k psychologovi.

Takto to řeknu- mé tělo hořelo, svědilo, bolelo, kůže zarudlá a nateklá. Hlavně se nespotit- to je jako kdyby mě kyselina rozežírala.

Dostala jsem doporučení na nejmenované sanatorium, kam by se dalo chodit denně na léčbu a po prvním vyšetření můj doktor stanovil jasnou diagnózu a léčbu. Informoval mě, že mám na 80% kůže zápal, který způsobil zlatý stafylokok, který se mi dostal do ekzému tím, že se nekontrolovaně drbu. Stává se to velice často u ekzematiků. Dostala jsem správnou léčbu a vysadili jsme všechna zbytečná léčiva.

Alergie a ekzém byl a je součástí mého života, chodím na pravidelné kontroly a možná se zúčastním i studie pro biologickou léčbu. Už se tím tolik netrápím, jak se na mě občas někteří dívají skrz prsty kvůli fleanon3213561856é kůži. Samozřejmě, je to nepříjemné, ale jsem to já a já chci být jen šťastná a spokojená ve své kůži :blush: .

Po tom čím jsem si prošla, už vím, jak je důležité být psychicky v pohodě. Pomohlo mi to udat mému životu nový směr a otevřelo mi to oči. Uvědomila jsem si, jak je to pro mě vlastně důležité starat se o to, co si svému tělu a sobě dopřeji. Eliminovala jsem veškeré chemické přípravky, už jen přírodní kosmetika, čistící prostředky. Začala jsem cestovat, cvičit jógu, žít bez zbytečností a hlavně pro zážitky. Snažím se neplýtvat a být zero waste. Může to někomu připadat jako klišé, nechci nikoho přesvědčovat.

 Žij a nech žít :relieved:"
2,61571,2019-10-17T15:16:18.532Z,11164,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,61549,anon4062071924,anon2649858692,"Ahoj anon2649858692, díky moc za příspěvek, je skvělé číst silný (a trochu smutný) příběh, který je psaný s takovým nadhledem a vtipem! Držím palce, aby se ti na Tvé cestě dařilo a jestli se budeš účastnit studie pro biologickou léčbu, tak přeju, ať se vyvede!!! Co bylo zlomovým momentem, kdy si začala pracovat na svý psychický pohodě?"
3,61743,2019-10-20T10:06:50.654Z,11164,1,9,8,2,0,0,31.8,61549,anon879431432,anon2649858692,"Příběh se šťastným koncem, to jsem rád. Mám pár kamarádek s podobnými problémy a z jejich vyprávění vím, jak složité to pro tebe muselo být a je. O to víc mám, radost, že jsi našla toho správného doktora, protože všichni ostatní nebyli doktoři, ale jak jsi sama zmínila, obyčejní předepisovači pseudo léčiv.... hlavně že jim cinkají zlaťáky v kasičce :-/ držim palce v životě :-)"
4,63453,2019-11-08T09:48:58.713Z,11164,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,61571,anon2649858692,anon4062071924,"Díky Kubo, no ten pocit přišel kdy už mi docházeli síly a měla jsem pocit bezmoci. Nevěděla jsem jak si pomoct a nenašel se nikdo kdo by mi reálně chtěl pomoct..no a tak nějak v tedy jsem si dupla že to prostě takhle dále nejde a musím udělat změny ve svém životě :slight_smile:"
5,63456,2019-11-08T09:51:31.454Z,11164,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,61743,anon2649858692,anon879431432,Děkuji moc:) stále pokračuji a snažím se přijít na to co je pro mě to správné a vnímat celou nemoc spíše komplexně. Jsou dny lepší a dny horší...ale jdeme dál ;)
1,62723,2019-11-01T00:50:37.713Z,11330,0,15,14,28,0,0,173.0,62723,anon2971899728,anon2971899728,"Urodziłam się w połowie lat 80, więc występuje tu jako przedstawiciel 30+ :) Ostatnie 20 lat było okresem ogromnych zanon1235093333n gospodarczych i politycznych w Polsce, a co za tym idzie - zmieniło nas jako społeczeństwo. Dzisiejszy Typowy anon4110936133usz jest lata świetlne od anon4110936133usza z moich dziecięcych lat.
Gdy byłam w podstawówce poziom życia mojej Rodziny od Rodziny kolegów, nie różnił się. Te same meblościanki, sałatka warzywna na obiad, wąsy u Taty. Czułam się bogata, bo jeździliśmy w wakacje nad morze i Rodzice dość szybko zakupili Fiata126p :) Po wejściu w pełnoletność i XXI wiek życie nabrało rozpędu. Okazało się, że świat jest szerszy i ciekawszy niż w świecie rodziców, a świat stoi przed nami otworem. Nowe zawody, rozwój technologii, otwarcie granic. Moje pokolenie jeszcze nie dostało sygnału, że świat leży u naszych stóp i możemy robić wszystko i wszędzie (to otrzymali Millenialsi), ale już nam szepnięto, że można sięgnąć po więcej. Jeśli tylko jesteś wystarczająco dobry. Lub masz szczęście lub znajomości. Żeby wykorzystać zanon1235093333ny potrzebny był wysiłek - odwaga, nauka języków, wysiłek trudniejszych studiów. Nie każdy się podjął, nie każdy był gotów lub mógł. Dziś moje pokolenie odczuwa frustrację za straconymi szansami lub tymi, jakie nam obiecano, a nie dano. Bo niby świat stał otworem, ale w domu powtarzali, że ciężką pracą dojdziesz do sukcesu, a lepszy wróbel w garści itd. Pierwsze wolne pokolenie niosło na sobie brzemię strachów swoich Rodziców. Stanęli w progu, widzieli ten ekstra świat pełen możliwości, ale nie wyszli za próg zbyt daleko, nie sięgnęli tak daleko, jak ich młodsi bracia. Owszem, dziś z własną rodziną raz do roku nie jeżdżą nad Bałtyk, ale do Grecji, ale niesmak pozostaje - sąsiad poleciał na Malediwy? Mają średni samochód rodzinny, a dlaczego nie fajniejszy jak młodszy kolega z bloku? Kupują nowy model komórki co dwa lata, ale młodszy kolega w korporacji ma co chwilę  - jak on to robi? Przecież skończyłem studia, pierwszy w rodzinie - czy to nie wystarczy by płacili mi godnie? Rodzą się im dzieci i wysyłają ich na fajne zajęcia dodatkowe żaląc się pod salą, że ""za naszych czasów nie było takich możliwości, nie mogłem grać w klubie w piłkę bo nie istniały wówczas, a mój syn dziś nudzi się na wszystkim: i na piłce i na karate, może zawiozę go na tańce?"". Tkwią między strachem, bo wiedzą jak może być ciężej, a chęcią sięgnięcia po więcej i spełniania potrzeb na już, bez oczekiwania. Bez godzenia się na to, co nie do końca satysfakcjonuje. Zabrakło odwagi, może nasze dzieci dotrą dalej?"
2,62911,2019-11-04T10:58:59.923Z,11330,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,62723,anon2446385507,anon2971899728,"Cześć @anon2971899728, bardzo miło cię poznać. Wasza historia wiele uzasadnia moją ([napisałem ją tutaj po angielsku](https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369)).

Dorastałem również w latach dziewięćdziesiątych. Moi rodzice mieli Oltcit, a moja siostra i ja bylibyśmy bardzo zadowoleni z naszych corocznych wakacji nad Morzem Czarnym w Rumunii.
Miałem szczęście pracować za granicą zaraz po studiach. Pensja była dobra i niekoniecznie zamierzałem się wyprowadzić z kraju. Ale aby zarabiać na życie pracując w naukach społecznych lub w organizacji pozarządowej, naprawdę musisz być dobry lub bardzo kreatywny i wymyślać nowe sposoby pracy.

Najgorzej bałem się opuścić mój kraj z powodu banalnej historii: „w poszukiwaniu lepszych możliwości”. Bałem się, że będę cyniczny. Na szczęście wyszedłem z innych powodów. Niestety widzę ludzi, którzy zaczynają z dużą energią, a kiedy nie mogą nic zrobić, aby zmienić standard odejścia, idą lub rezygnują z innych prac.

Teraz odnoszę się bardziej do sposobu pracy Millenialsów.
Moje problemy są bardziej takie:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/millennials-burnout-generation-debt-work

Czy bierzesz udział w warsztatach w Polsce? Czy bierzesz udział w warsztatach w Polsce? Chciałbym cię poznać, ale zamierzam uczestniczyć w 2 w Serbii, w ramach tej samej społeczności - POPREBEL. Łączymy ludzi w Polsce, ale także w Czechach i Serbii.

Przepraszam za błędy językowe, do pisania używam tłumacza google."
3,62937,2019-11-04T14:09:48.651Z,11330,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,62723,anon1274458134,anon2971899728,"@anon2971899728 
O jakże trafne podsumowanie sytuacji, w której znalazło się nasze pokolenie. Świetnie ujęłaś słowami to co czuję. Jak się okazuje jest nas więcej :) Niestety strach i frustracja towarzyszą naszemu pokoleniu chyba bardziej niż temu wcześniejszemu i temu młodszemu. Z jednej strony pamiętamy mgliście te słynne lata 90., czasem nawet końcówkę PRL (moje pierwsze świadome wspomnienie dotyczy stania w kolejce po cukier ;) ) z drugiej jesteśmy pokoleniem dla którego ""świat stał otworem"". Pytanie, który to był otwór. Jednocześnie nie zazdroszczę sytuacji w jakiej znaleźli się nasi rodzice będąc w naszym obecnym wieku. Pamiętam lata 90. - pochodzę z rodziny tzw. robotniczo - chłopskiej, moi rodzice w żadnym wypadku nie zyskali na transformacji ustrojowej musieli być naprawdę sfrustrowani przeanon1235093333nami jakie zachodziły w Polsce wtedy. Permanentne widmo utraty pracy, śmieszne pensje tracące na wartości wskutek uwolnienia cen i wszystkie bolączki wczesnych 90. Ciekaw jestem czy o 30 kilku latkach z Europy Zachodniej też możnaby powiedzieć, że są straconym pokoleniem? Czy to raczej bagaż doświadczeń naszego pokolenia z krajów postkomunistycznych, które w l. 90. przeszły prawdziwą rewolucję uwarunkowań życia społecznego. Swoją drogą, to przeanon1235093333ny lat. 90. w jakiś sposób przypominają mi uwłaszczenie chłopów w połowie XIX w. - niby pojawiła się wolność osobista, przemieszczania się i zdobywania wykształcenia, prowadzenia działalności gospodarczej, ale tak naprawdę proces ten przyniósł nędzę dla wielu rodzin. Nadzieje i oczekiwania zostały pobudzone pojawieniem się ""wolności"" nie są jednak dostępne dla wszystkich."
4,63064,2019-11-05T12:59:17.692Z,11330,1,9,8,3,0,0,21.8,62937,anon2446385507,anon1274458134,"anon1274458134, mam osobistą ciekawość pośród całego rozczarowania: jakie według ciebie są rzeczy, które są dobre dla naszego pokolenia, dzięki tej nowej wolności słowa, swobody przemieszczania się, dostępu do informacji itp.? Jakie są najlepsze rzeczy, które niektórzy z twoich znajomych robią w wyniku tego, że są dziś na tym świecie?

Dla mnie ważny jest fakt, że mogę wybrać swoją walkę. Mogę zostać, mogę odejść, mogę zmienić pracę i wypróbować różne rzeczy. Życie nigdy nie jest łatwe, ale nie było też łatwe dla innych pokoleń. Być może było to łatwe dla pokoleń lat 60. żyjących w latach 50. w świecie zachodnim. Ale inne niż to?

Znowu przepraszam za błędy gramatyczne!"
5,63083,2019-11-05T14:22:32.802Z,11330,2,9,8,1,0,0,31.8,63064,anon1274458134,anon2446385507,"Nie będę wcale oryginalny w swoich stwierdzeniach. Za największy plus jaki przyniosły nam zanon1235093333ny społeczno-polityczne w latach 90. i na początku XXI w. uważam właśnie swobodę przemieszczania się, możliwość podjęcia pracy i nawet zakładania działalności gospodarczej w tak wielu krajach, dostęp do możliwości uczenia się obcych języków, możliwość zobaczenia niemal całego świata dostępna dla praktycznie każdego. Coś nie do pomyślenia dla poprzednich pokoleń-szczególnie tych zza wschodniej granicy Żelaznej Kurtyny."
6,63085,2019-11-05T14:31:33.249Z,11330,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,63083,anon2446385507,anon1274458134,"Tak, uważam, że ja i inni, tacy jak @anon3346229079, bardzo się z tym zgadzamy. Szkoda, że szczęście lub „życie” zawsze musi się wydarzyć gdzie indziej, gdzieś niejasno, jak powiedział anon2971899728n Kundera.

Ale hej, jesteśmy przedsiębiorcami, więc jesteśmy przygotowani, aby cieszyć się pewną przygodą. Życie w XXI wieku jest wszystkim, ale nie jest nudne haha. Myślę, że nuda lub FOMO to jedna z największych obaw naszego pokolenia."
7,63101,2019-11-05T15:20:38.347Z,11330,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,63083,anon3346229079,anon1274458134,"Tak, zgodziłbym się. 20 lat temu byłoby prawie niemożliwe, aby pracować lub otwierać firmy w 2-3 krajach jednocześnie. Mamy znacznie więcej swobody i możliwości niż nasi rodzice.
Faktem jest, że nikt nie przekazał nam tej wiedzy, więc stało się to raczej powoli ... gdybyśmy mieli szczęście doświadczyć rzeczy, które dają nam świadomość wszystkich możliwości.
Widzę na przykład to samo w Serbii lub Chorwacji. Ludzie nie są świadomi wszystkich możliwości.
Przepraszam, używam tłumacza google :)."
8,63399,2019-11-07T21:33:40.563Z,11330,0,8,7,1,0,0,36.6,62723,anon2642761710,anon2971899728,"Kiedyś piękny głos dawał szansę na karierę, dziś w jednym programie telewizyjnym jest ich 10. Kiedyś studia dawały perspektywę i możliwości, dziś pracownicy w centrach handlowych wymieniają się skończonymi kierunkami. Kiedyś liczyła się prawda, dziś kontrowersja. Każde pokolenie ma swoje ułatwienia i nowe trudy. Obserwuje kilkulatki z telefonami i zastanawiam się- co przyniesie ich rzeczywistość, jak oni będą postrzegać swoje życie w wieku 30 lat."
1,63223,2019-11-06T19:29:42.127Z,11398,0,7,6,1,0,0,36.4,63223,anon3283497599,anon3283497599,"https://tedideas.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/v2_featured_art_disagree_convo_istock.jpg?w=1500

_“Going no contact marks the death of hope: The hope that this can be fixed. The hope that you can get the love you always needed. The hope that things will be better and normal and okay.”_

Znám plno lidí kteří podle ať už jejich analýz či profesionálů trpí různými mentálníma nemocemi. Vyslechl jsem si příběhy vysloužilých vojáků a jejich srdcervoucí zážitky ve mě nechaly více než stopu. Byl jsem u toho když v Libanonu byl zavražděn premiér a škola nás evakuovala k nám domu což v té době byla Česká ambasáda. V Thajsku jsem zase zažil dva státní převraty a utěšoval Thajského známého kterému uhořel jeho kamarád vinou molotov koktailu který po něm hodily Thaksinovy povstalci. Párkrát jsem sám dost nepříjemné situace žažil včetně toho že jsem viděl pár mrtvol na vlastní oči.

A proč tohle vlastně vyprávím, když zadání hovoří jasně o morálce, jejím zachovaní a udržení si zdravého ducha a rozumu? Víte morálka a hodnoty jsou různé a každá kultura má vlastní priority, jak vše vidí a hodnotí. Vše je relativní a odvozuje se z naších zkušeností. Jak morálka, tak to, co považujeme za &quot;zdravý psychologický stav&quot;. Guru z hor vám řekne že je to &quot;přijmout sám sebe a být Štastní za svoji existenci na tolik že se o ní můžete dělit&quot;. Psycholog Vám bude tvrdit že to &quot;být aktivním členem společnosti který se rozvíjí a přistupuje pozitivně k životu&quot;. Nihilista Vám zase řekne že &quot;nic nemá smysl takže morálka a zdravý psychologický stav je přežitek minulé doby&quot;. Kdo má pravdu ale? Můj názor je že všichni a nikdo. Morálku jako takovou si měníme s dobou a neustále se mění i když její kořeny bez debat začínají v náboženství. Což je ale problém, jelikož nové generace se nemůžou ztotožňovat s prastarým establishmentem kterým je církev nemluvě o zákazech, co s tím plynou. A když už ano tak jsou většinou pro smích většině, která kouká spíš na materializmus církve, který si protiřečí s jejím kázáním.

Kde tedy hledat oporu? Jak to provést aby člověk neudělal chybu a měl tu správnou morálku a zdravý psychologický stav? **Osobně si myslím, že je to v naších příbězích a to, jak se o ně dělíme** . Člověk je společenský tvor i když je pravda, že je velice obtížné nebo dokonce nemožné popsat do detailu, jak vidíme svět a co se nám honí hlavou ve dvě hodiny ráno – třeba když nemůžeme spát. Příběh který každý vypraví je jedinečný i když jsou někteří si podobní, tak v každém je strast, radost i smutek. Podělit se o to s někým kdo Vás vyslechne a vyjádřit svůj názor, rozumným způsobem pomáhat jak vypravěči, tak posluchači. Vypravěč si uleví a uslyší názor druhého, který mu možná umožni změnit perspektivu či ho rozveselí nebo se přiučí. V některých případech je vypravěči vynadáno či je pokárán za své chování. Posluchač stejným způsobem může těžit z toho, že z příběhu uvidí perspektivu druhého a může se k ní vyjádřit. Takto podle mě společnost reguluje svojí morálku. Diskurzem a vyprávěním příběhů. Proto jsem rád, že jsem se mohl zapojit do této komunity a přečíst si inspirativní příběhy ostatních – děkuju! &#128521;"
2,63304,2019-11-07T12:58:23.338Z,11398,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,63223,anon3353600255,anon3283497599,"Ahoj, díky moc za to, žes zavítal k nám na fórum a podělil ses s námi podělil o svůj názor a zkušenosti - i ty ne úplně příjemné patří k životu. Já se naprosto ztotžňuji s tím, že vyprávět svůj příběh a naslouchat ostatním vypravečům má svoje velice osobité kouzlo. Obzvlášť v éře rychlosti a souběžném toku téměř nekonečného počtu proudů informací, je skvělé, když dostanou prostor lidé, kteří se třeba až tolik normálně neprosazují. Objevil jsem takhle ve svém životě nemálo úžasnejch vypravěčů, kteří jinak povětšinou mlčeli, což byla opravdu škoda. Sám osobně se už delší dobu věnuji práci s videorozhovory s lidmi, kteří přežili různé výbuchy masivních vln násilí v různých místech světa, především pak holokaust v Evropě. Přestože by to člověk po x-letech nečekal, pořád mě tenhle formát osobního vyprávění nepřestává překvapovat. Tvůrci a filmaři, kteří u jeho zrodu stáli, měli především na mysli předávání historické zkušenosti a možná trochu i poskytnutí možnosti ulehčit si nově nalezeným vypravěčům. Tahle vyprávění však hovoří také o naší společnosti jako celku, toho jak můžeme zapomenout na základní principy soužití, když to doba takzvaně vyžaduje, ale i toho, jaké různé podoby může mít bežný lidský rozhovor a právě lidské vyprávění (nejvtěší celosvětová sbírka [tady](https://sfi.usc.edu/vha)). Vzpomeneš si na nějaký rozhovor nebo vyprávění, který Ti třeba pomohl a ve vzpomínkách se k němu vracíš?
Jinak ještě na okraj - žádné jasné zadání tu nemáme:), takže jedině dobře, že co na srdci, to na jazyku."
3,63330,2019-11-07T14:33:27.622Z,11398,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,63304,anon3283497599,anon3353600255,"Ahoj, celosvětová sbírka - hustý! K tvojí otázce mně napadne příběh který mě asi nejvíc poznamenal je ten o vysloužilém vojákovi Britské armády. Momentálně posedává v jednom baru a byl jsem mu společníkem pár let. Jeho příběh byl o tom že za války Iráku sloužil už nějaký rok. Službu bral relativně dobře ale k jeho četě se přidal jeho kamarád z dětství. Znal se s jeho rodinou a od malička to byly dobří kamarádi. Jednoho dne se ocitli pod palbou z nedaleké budovy když prováděli průzkum a museli se krýt. Po asi hodině kdy se dohadovaly s vedením zdali můžou palbu opětovat ( V oblasti se nacházely spojenecké jednotky ) jim vedení dalo povolení. Říkal že tu budovu doslova pokropily od prvního patra až na půdu a jako smyslu zbavení řvaly a nadávaly. Když se pak šli podívat kdo to na ně střílel našli akorát 14 az 16 Leté dítě s kalašnikovem. Mrtvé. Říkal že on si to moc nevyčítal ale jeho kamarád byl od té doby zamlklý. Po několika měsících se měli vrátit do Anglie. Jenže jeho kamarád se oběsil. Armáda samozřejmě zprávu předala rodině že byl zabit v akci. No a můj kamarád voják mi se slzama v očích vyprávěl jak šel za tou matkou která už žila sama s tím že ji řekne pravdu. Neřekl. K tomu přiběhu se vracím často protože mě defakto přesvědčil že do armády vstoupit nechci. Jelikož nevím jestli bych neskončíl jako můj kamrád. Zlomený a sám nebo jako chlapec s kalašníkovem fanatik bez strachu že něco ztratím, nebo jako člověk co neunese vinu. Achjo..."
4,63385,2019-11-07T19:16:28.280Z,11398,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,63330,anon4062071924,anon3283497599,"Ahoj, díky moc za fakt silnej příběh, já jsem teda nikdy na vojnu jít nechtěl a -naštěští- jsem ani nemusel, ale zažít něco takovýho osobně - ani nevím, co napsat... Díky za sdílení týhle zkušenosti, protože samotný sdílení může být cestou / snad aspoň částečnou úzdravou psyhologickýho stavu / pro jiný osvětou / ... Drž se!"
1,61247,2019-10-13T17:52:50.210Z,11130,0,12,11,6,0,0,77.4,61247,anon242998772,anon242998772,"V posledním desetiletí se hiphopu dostalo velké popularity. Ačkoli tento hudební žánr vznikl již na konci 70.let v USA, až v posledních letech začaly hiphopové skladby dominovat rádiovým hitparádám. S tímto žánrem se pojí určité stereotypy, vznikl jako upřímná reakce a vyjádření na nevalné podmínky v černošských čtvrtích. Umělci proto často rapovali o kriminalitě, drogách, zkrátka o všech tématech, kterých byli každodenně svědky.

 

V současném hiphopu se většina těchto témat vyskytuje i nadále. Nový směr v rámci hiphopu tzv. Trap, popsali umělci z Atlanty, nejperspektivnějšího hiphopového města v USA, že zní, „jako když se vaří crack“. Reálně se jedná o tvrdý hudební podkres, do kterého umělci rapují o drahých autech, penězích nebo třeba o zneužívání lék na předpis. Ty samozřejmě užívali a užívají i umělci z ostatních žánrů jako rock, pop, metal atd., ale pravděpodobně v hiphopu se setkáme s největším explicitním přiznáním k jejich konzumaci. Je prostě „cool“ dát si codein (lék původně na kašel) se Spritem (několik raperů na tuto kombinaci zemřelo), nebo třeba Xanax (lék na úzkost) v kombinaci s kokainem atd.

 

Právě proto, že se v posledních letech dostal hiphop do popředí, začala ho objevovat i generace mileniálů, kterým po spuštění Spotify nabídne v sekci Trending minimálně třetinu všech písniček s explicitním obsahem. Často se jedná o umělce, kteří kromě tetování po celém obličeji, na prstech atd. rapují o užívání těchto látek. Například v roce 2017 zemřel na předávkování Xanaxem jeden z nejtalentovanějších raperů nové školy Lil Peep, ke kterému vzhlíželi desetitisíce mladých fanoušků. Poslední minuty před svou smrtí zveřejnil několik videí na Instagramu, jak požívá Xanax v obrovských dávkách.

 

Nemám v úmyslu ho soudit, nedokážu se vžít do jeho pocitů ani si představit, čím si procházel. Jen vím, že to byl jeden z největších talentů, co hiphopová scéna v posledních letech měla a že měl obrovský vliv na mladé lidi. Stejně tak nemám v úmyslu se stavět do pozice hodnotící nastupující generaci a odbýt jí tvrzením, že my jsme byli jiní. Jako teenageři jsme taky chtěli být cool a podobat se svým vzorům. Vnímám však určitý posun v kolika letech jsou mladí lidé v Česku ochotni si díky těmto kulturním vlivům potetovat obličej, nebo experimentovat s (zne)užíváním léků nebo tvrdých drog."
2,61252,2019-10-13T21:03:58.439Z,11130,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,61247,anon4062071924,anon242998772,"Kryštofe, skvělej insight do kultury trapu, ještěže není kodein v Čechách dostupnej na lusknutí prstu, snad... A snad není tenhle sizzurp běžněj povzbuzovák zdejší omladiny (vždycky to bylo ""zlatý levný"" pivo, ne?!) Nebo máš dojem, že se z ""get lean"" stala i u nás norma?"
3,61278,2019-10-14T08:50:38.364Z,11130,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,61252,anon242998772,anon4062071924,"Ahoj Kubo :slight_smile: děkuju moc za reakci! Kodein v česku ve formě sirupu (tak jak slouží k přípravě leanu) neseženeš vůbec, vyskytuje se jen v menších dávkách u léků na bolest, který jsou na předpis (podobně je tomu i u Xanaxu). Tzn. že mezi teenagerama v ČR tyhle látky nejsou běžný, protože se k nim nemaj jak dostat. Co je ale mnohem častější, než tomu bylo třeba před deseti lety (stačí se zeptat na jakymkoli gymplu v Praze) je, že si tim zlatym levnym pivkem zapiješ dva Neuroly, trochu si na to zahulíš atd. a všechno to hlavně dokumentuješ na Instagramu, aby ostatní věděli, že seš taky cool.."
4,61367,2019-10-15T08:06:05.171Z,11130,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,61247,anon4241195410,anon242998772,"to je dneska mladez!!!! :)))
sorry.

diky za prispevek, Krystofe!"
5,61392,2019-10-15T10:18:57.311Z,11130,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,61247,anon4062071924,anon242998772,"To je pravda, že Instagram dneska u mladých jasně vede (i nad Facebookem, ve kterém je ""příliš textu"") - díky dostatečné jednoduchosti a ""instantosti"" sdělení - ovšem že bude sloužit jako vzdájemná sebe-podpora a plácání se po ramenou mezi mladými konzumenty výše zmíněného, to je dost otřesný... 

Reaguje na tyhlety moderní trendy třeba nějaká primární prevence, která na ty gymply dochází? Jak jste to měli na vašem gymplu vy?"
6,61583,2019-10-17T16:33:38.522Z,11130,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,61392,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Ahoj, diky za zajimavej příspěvek. Mam takovej pocit, že kombinace dostupnejch léků, piva (nebo tuzemaku) + sem tam jointik neni až tak doménou nejmladší generace v Čechách, ale cenovědostupnej výlet za hranice všedních dnu jiz několik dekád:) je ale fakt, ze hudební subkultury mají svoje módní drogy. Psychedelie v 60kach, Kokain, hodně ti bylo spojovaný s rockovou muzikou, punk přinesl možná ještě destruktivnější varianty, pak taneční hudba a věci na výdrž atd. To, že se ted vraci low-budget je zajímavý ale i trochu strašidelný. Souhlasím s Kubou, že by me zajímalo, jak se posunuly programy primární prevence.."
7,61745,2019-10-20T10:34:59.700Z,11130,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,61247,anon879431432,anon242998772,"Super článek, já osobně odkojenej na punkrocku, rocku a skáčku jsem vždycky tento hudební styl striktně odsuzoval. Nelíbil se mi styl rozevlátých teplákových souprav, tácku na hlavě, nucená poza drsných hochů apod. Každopádně díky novým přátelům, kteří jsou nejvíc v pohodě a nic z toho nesplňují jsem se k rapu dostal blíže a teď si na něm dost ujíždím a baví mě poslouchat český a slovenský texty interpretů, pohupovat si hlavou do beatů a občas si zajít na koncerty, na kterých mě příjemně potěšilo zjištění, že i na rapové scéně se dá rozjet slušnej mosh pit."
8,63382,2019-11-07T19:11:51.036Z,11130,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,61745,anon4062071924,anon879431432,"Já jsem při čtení původního článku vůbec netušil, že se fakt něco jako Xanax šíří mezi českou mládeží. Docela mi vyrazil dech článek, kterej popisuje tyhle záležitosti v desítkách... Docela síla teda... 
https://ct24.cesanon3213561856elevize.cz/regiony/2970527-kriminaliste-odhalili-na-skolach-zneuzanon598341349i-leku-na-predpis-maji-podobne-ucinky-jako"
1,63310,2019-11-07T13:06:06.237Z,11415,0,6,5,2,0,0,26.2,63310,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"![](https://www.artlist.cz/fileadmin/user_upload/psychoanalyza_jednoho_prostoru_jan_hromadko.jpg)

S přibývajícími příspěvky se nám rozšiřuje spektrum témat, o nichž se bavíme. @anon

@anon598341349buraj v rozhovoru [Možnosti současného politického divadla (HaDivadlo)](/t/moznosti-soucasneho-politickeho-divadla-hadivadlo/11240) rekapituluje své dosavadní působení v brněnském HaDivadle a poskytl svůj pohled na současnou společnost a její nejzásadnější problémy. Zároveň se zamýšli na divadlem, jako prostředkem pozitivní změny a její podstatě.

@anon3602408045 potom přichází s otázkou niterních osobních dilemat, která musíme každý každodenně řešit a představuje problém kognitivních disonancí, jak napovídá název jeho přípsěvku [Disonance 21. století](/t/disonance-21-stoleti/11322). Také občas řešíte problém volby mezi ""správnými"" a příjemnými řešeními?

S myšlenkou toho, nakolik může být i takové zdánlivě prosté osobní vyprávění přínosné, se pak svěřil @anon3283497599, ve svém příspěvku [Jiné perspektivy díky příběhům druhých](/t/jine-perspektivy-diky-pribehum-druhych/11398). Řekl bych, že docela vystihuje podstatu celého našeho snažení na této platformě.

**Budeme velice rádi, když se podělíte se svým názorem na příspěvky ostatních a případně přinesete další témata, která tu doposud chyběla, nebo se naopak podělíte s podobnou zkušeností, jakou představili druzí. Nezapomeňte také, že se nám výrazně přiblížily oba komunitní eventy, které si pro nás přichystali @anon4241195410 v [Brně 8.11.2019](https://edgeryders.eu/t/brno-cze-hacanon3213561856hon-on-affordable-housing-panel-discussion/11185) a @anon4062071924 v [Praze 23.11.2019](https://edgeryders.eu/t/poprebel-event-prague/11139). Budeme se těšit na viděnou!**"
1,59065,2019-09-10T15:58:09.577Z,10737,0,9,8,9,0,0,76.8,59065,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej!!! 
Wszedłeś/weszłaś na naszą stronę i nie możesz się odnaleźć? Wstydzisz się dzielić osobistymi historiami (nawet anonimowo)? Nie wiesz po co to wszystko? Bardzo chcielibyśmy poznać wszystkie Wasze wątpliwości związane z inicjatywą. Wal śanon1235093333ło. Zależy nam na każdym Waszym głosie. Zależy nam na Waszym uczestnictwie.
Pozdrawiamy, zespół Edgeryders"
2,59067,2019-09-10T16:09:18.301Z,10737,0,9,8,7,0,0,36.8,59065,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,
3,62724,2019-11-01T01:03:00.468Z,10737,1,8,7,1,0,0,41.6,59065,anon2971899728,anon2693311786,"Witajcie, jakie są powody tego, że na stronę wchodziłam kilkukrotnie, nim zabrałam na niej aktywny głos? Pierwszą przeszkodą jest narzędzie - strona jest nieintuicyjna. Są grupy tematów, a w nich historie, ale jak odnaleźć ich listę po interesującej mnie tematyce? Mam z tym problem, a do kolejnych historii trafiam przypadkowo, nie są powiązane - a szkoda.
Drugą przeszkodą jest brak informacji o celach forum? Wyanon1235093333na historii i co dalej? Komu, do czego będą potrzebne? Analiza nastrojów społeczeństwa, próba uaktywnienia do wyanon1235093333ny poglądów, dyskusji, a może zbieranie danych kontaktowych? Jeśli nie wiem kto i co zrobi z moją opinią, mam obawy by ją wygłaszać. 
Trzecią przeszkodą jest brak czasu - zaanon1235093333st dzielić się osobistą historią, zajmę się sobą lub Rodziną. Dziś tak mało jest czasu dla siebie, ""nie stać mnie"" na aktywizację i społeczny głos."
4,63173,2019-11-06T09:55:06.896Z,10737,0,8,7,1,1,0,6.6,62724,anon3593942245,anon2971899728,"[quote=""anon2971899728, post:3, topic:10737""]
Drugą przeszkodą jest brak informacji o celach forum? Wyanon1235093333na historii i co dalej? Komu, do czego będą potrzebne? Analiza nastrojów społeczeństwa, próba uaktywnienia do wyanon1235093333ny poglądów, dyskusji, a może zbieranie danych kontaktowych? Jeśli nie wiem kto i co zrobi z moją opinią, mam obawy by ją wygłaszać.
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Hey @anon2971899728, dzięki za tą wypowiedź - staramy się wschłuchiwać w głosy naszych użytkowników, bo wiadomo, bez was nasza praca - jako osób budujących nowe kolaboracje i społeczności online - nie ma sensu.

Niestety, co do wyglądu, niewiele mogę zrobić - póki co strona zostaje taka, jaka jest, bo nie stać nas na jej zanon1235093333nę. Poza tym funkcjonalności, które posiada, są dla nas ważniejsze niż wygląd - za to dostaje nam się od członków sfrustrowanych nawigacją... Może kiedyś znajdzie się na to złoty środek. 

Co do celów, napisałam o tym [tekst,](https://edgeryders.eu/t/o-co-chodzi-z-wellbeing-stara-bieda-poprebel/10764) który zachęcam przeczytać - o tym, dlaczego robimy tu badania, i co nas interesuje. edgeryders ma też ambicję łączenia ludzi z podobnymi celami, pasjami, marzeniami i wspierania ich w ich drodze do realizacji tych celów - dlatego zachęcamy do dzielenia się swoimi pomysłami. Wtedy możemy poszkać synergii i wesprzeć tworzenie współpracy, kolektywów, nowych projektów. Czasami oferujemy też stypendia dla aktywistów, którzy robią ciekawe rzeczy. 

Raz jeszcze dzięki za wpis i mam nadzieję do usłyszenia, a może nawet spotkania w Warszawie w listopadzie ?"
1,62647,2019-10-31T13:45:02.482Z,11322,0,11,10,8,0,0,72.2,62647,anon3602408045,anon3602408045,"![](https://images.agoramedia.com/everydayhealth/gcms/What-Does-Cognitive-Dissonance-Mean-The-Theory-and-Definition-RM-722x406.jpg)

Ptáte se tu, jak si udržet morálku a zdravý psychologický stav? Jak to udělat ve světe, kde se na nás ze všech stran hrnou špatné zprávy a kdy nemůžeme snad ani věřit nikomu a ničemu (kromě věcí, které vidíme na vlastní oči)?! Abychom se nezbláznili, izolujeme se ve vlastních bublinách (nejen těch oblíbených – sociálních), do kterých si pouštíme jenom některé lidi a ihned vyhazujeme ty, co se nám stávají nepohodlní… Abychom se vyvarovali konfliktu či nepohodlných názorů, pravd a faktů – často i o nás samých nebo našem lajfstajlu, našich názorech. Díky tomu pak pak lidé, stejně jako někdy i já jak se dozvíte níže, trpí kognitivní disonancí, což naše společnost potom ráda zaměňuje za &quot;mentální poruchy a deprese&quot;.

A co to vlastně je ta kognitivní disonance? Podle wikipedie následující: Podle [Festanon3589994963rova](https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Festanon3589994963r) výzkumu z roku jedinec reaguje na napětí vyvolané dvěma vzájemně nekonzistentními postoji snahou o přidání, odstranění nebo změnu jeho kognitivních struktur. Důležité je, že tyto změny jsou obousměrné, tedy např. na základě svých postojů můžeme změnit své chování a na základě svého chování můžeme změnit své postoje. Dochází k tomu proto, že lidé mají vrozenou tendenci jednat v souladu se svými postoji. Podle [Aronsona](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_Aronson) je být čestný a upřímný součástí vnímání sama sebe.

Zvlášť s tou poslední větou nějak nemůžu vnitřně souhlasit, popíšu vám proč. Podle mě je to tak, když člověk má dvě nekonzistentní myšlenky, což v dnešním hektickém světe je velice běžné. Možná si teď říkáte, že tím přece netrpíte…?! Ale každý kognitivní disonanci zažil! Je to moment, kdy vás napadne jistá myšlenka…třeba v práci máte šikovné pomůcky nebo nástroje, které nikdo nehlídá a už párkrát vás napadlo: &quot; Proč si nějakou nevzít sebou domů, vždyť by nikomu nechyběla a firemní rozpočet to neohrozí?&quot; No a zároveň přemýšlíte o tom, že je to přece morálně nesprávné okrádat svého zaměstnavatele, že ano. Tento boj většinou vyhraje chtíč, jelikož gratifikace je přeci příjemnější než vnitřní konflikt. Je to chtíč, takže to funguje podobně nebo stejně, jako když se potkáte s pěknou holkou, která se chová nejvíc vyzývavě, a přitom o ní víte (nebo to o sobě aspoň tvrdí), že je zadaná s někým jiným, to je pak sakra dilema!!! Asi to znáte, no, mně se to aspoň před nedávnem do puntíku stalo a před chtíčem jsem se neubránil, dál to asi moc rozebírat nemusím, asi to všichni znáte… Tak jsem se chtěl podělit (byť anonymně) a zajímá mně, jak k tomu přistupujete vy ostatní - už jste se taky někdy neudrželi? A co vám pomáhá v tom se udržet a ten chtíč překonat (a zůstat podle mě i nadále ve vnitřním konfliktu)?!? Přijde mi totiž, že jsou věci, které tu kognitivní disonanci vyvolávají stále znova a znova a člověk aby pořád jen čelil nějakým výzvám vnitřní morálky… Díky za názory a přeju všem co nejmíň vnitřních disonancí :slight_smile:"
2,62855,2019-11-03T15:42:33.894Z,11322,0,4,3,1,0,0,20.8,62647,anon4062071924,anon3602408045,"Ahoj, díky za upřímný příspěvek, myslím, že je to téma rozhodně aktuální – vždyť za bolševika platilo heslo „kdo neokrádá stát, okrádá vlastní rodinu“ a bohužel to v nás stále ještě rezonuje, třeba na příkladech, které uvádíš ty, ale když čteme o tom, jak se vlastně řídí chod státu (stát jako firma?!), je to celé velmi disonantní. Nicméně díky za objasnění termínu disonance a když jsem vygooglil slovo gratifikace, vyskočilo na mě: odměna, náhrada + dobrovolné odškodné, sleva z ochoty + zvláštní odměna, čestný dar, ocenění, dobropis  nebo stav uspokojení doprovázející určitou činnost – tady je myšleno asi to poslední, co? :) No a napadá tě, jak z toho ven?"
3,62952,2019-11-04T16:34:44.071Z,11322,0,3,2,1,0,0,20.6,62647,anon3353600255,anon3602408045,"Ahoj, díky moc za velice otvřený popis toho, s čím určitě bojujeme všichni, přesně jak si zmiňoval. Já se v těchto momentech vždycky snažím představit, jestli případná gratifikace jak píšeš, ospravedlní chování, se kterým se obecně neztotožňuju. Tzn. v podstatě, jestli mi to stojí za to. Tohle funguje dobře pro to že jsem obecně člověkem, kterýho dokáže trápit špatný svědomí, a funguje to u těch zásadních životních rozhodnutí, ""velkejch"" témat. U každodenních životních situací, pak dost často převáží moje vlastní lenost a pohodlnost:) ale snažím se postupem času přicházet na ty pozitivně hodnotitelné gratifikace, které mi přinese ona méně pohodlná varianta. U něčeho se mi podaří přesvědčit sám sebe rychleji, někdy to trvá pár let, než najdu nový vzorec řešení obdobných situací, no..ale obecně je to metoda zažívání opakovaných problémů a neúspěchů. vmnoha případech však člověk v životě nedostává opakované pokusy:) Pak si myslím, že je potřeba trénovat vlastní představivost a dovednost vcítit se sám do sebe ve virtuálních situacích.."
1,62525,2019-10-30T09:46:06.511Z,11311,0,11,10,10,0,0,67.2,62525,anon2294683781,anon2294683781,"<image here> 
 
Najteža je prva reč. Ili prvi red, pasus? Gledam na sat i shvatam da još malo vremana imam do posla. I ne znam da li ću ovo stići da napišem.

Bila sam na svadbi prošlog vikenda. Pitala me je drugarica koliko godina ima mlada. Moj odgovor je bio kao iz topa- par godina je mlađa od mene, verovatno između 26 i 28 godina.. Muk sa druge strane slušalice. A onda smeh: ""Devojko, ti imas 36!"" Rečenica me udari u svestan deo mog mozga. Kad je pre prošlo, pitam se.

Računam, dok sam završila školu i fakultet, udala se, rodila pre 5 godina, sve je to ok... i nije mnogo, ponosim se svojim izborom. Tad proleti misao, 17 godina rada u državnoj službi, tačnije Pošti srbije! E to je mnogo! Još malo pa polovinu svog života posvetih poslu, a ne sebi.
Tog leta htela sam samo da radim neki sezonski posao, da skupim pare između srednje i faxa. Al tata me zaposli u pošti. Toliko nisam verovala da ću proći razgovor za posao, da sam veče pre objave pobednika stavila masku od majoneza na kosu i prenoćila sa njom. Ne moram da kažem da sam se prvi dan posla molila da mi se ne zalepi neka muva na šiške. I da sam bar tad shvatila da je to bio loš znak ...što se nije zalepila...

Tokom mog života sa roditeljima postojao je Očev zakonik kome smo se svako jutro molili i prinosili žrtve. Jedna od njih je bila i ova. Jer, ko si ti da se buniš kad ti je sve dato u životu! Imas državni posao, odmore, bolovanja, trudničko, porodiljsko, radi, završi fax, napredovaćeš.

Prvi deo svoje velelepne poslovne karijere vrisak u mom stomaku sam smirivala stvarima koje volim. Nastavila sam da radim predstave i glumim po amaterskim pozorištima, dok sam usput koristila odmore i po koje bolovanje. Hvala kosmosu što trudničko i porodiljsko nisam, jer bih do sad već bila srećno razvedena..ili osuđena udovica. 

Tražila sam način da promenim posao, al uvek sam se vraćala mišljenju svoje patrijarhalne porodice. Bila sam jedina drugarica koja ima svoje pare! Wooow, kakav uspeh! Dok su ostale putovale po Španijama, Italijama , ja baš tada nisam mogla. Budžet mi nije dozvoljavao. 

I udade se Jagoda nakon završenog faxa, mora sve po redu, al sa 28 i to nakon udaje svoje 5 godina mlađe sestre. Istina da baš i nije tako patrijarhalno veće isplaniralo, al bitno da smo svi živi i zdravi. I naravno uhvatih zadnji voz! 

Postadoh i šef smene i to sa čak 25 eura većom platom! Znaci ulaganje u fax će mi se isplatiti za koju deceniju. Al ta sreća ne beše dugog veka. Pre reda, rada i discipline na lestvici uspešnosti treba staviti položaj i moć u kombinaciji sa ciljem uvlačenja u gluteusni predeo moćnijih i nadređenijih od tebe i tom prilikom upotrebiti svo naoružanje kao sredstvo za čuvanje svoje stolice, kao i to kad situacija zahteva, ne praviti se pametan, ne mahati pravilima i klimnuti glavom. Što ja, naravno nisam znala. Pošto sam naučena da pravila i zakoni, kako u životu tako i u poslu, moraju da se poštuju, nisam ni slutila da meni, koja pravilnike i dopise rada držim u crnom ispod nokta, može da se prekine šefovski ugovor zarad straha višeg šefa, Velikog Štrumpfa, da ću sesti na njenu stolicu.

I tako, pored svih blagodeti firme gore navedenih, zadobih i bonuse. Naočare, kao vid istrajnosti ispred šalterskog monitora. Masaže leđa, kao odlučnost da se otisak datuma na poštanskom žigu vidi jasno uz snažan čujni pritisak na dokumentu za plaćanje. Učestalo mokrenje, kao dokaz da si u „mladosti“ jedva bio na pauzi kako bi brže i efikasnije zadovoljio korisnike u redu. Veština savladavanja rasprave, koja uključuje smiranon598341349je sopstvenog želudca da ne odgovoriš na istom nivou ni tako visokim, neartikulisanim tonom na kom su ti postavljena pitanja i doneti zaključci od strane korisnika koji sadrže reči kojih nema u rečniku. Anksioznost, zvanično dvonedeljna nakon nemilog događaja, gde vrisak iz stomaka se pita GDE SAD? Gde, kad znam samo u posti da radim? Gde, kad nemam iskustva sa privatnim firmama? I dok svoj kreativni deo ispunjavam sad slikanjem, pravljenjem čuda od plastelina, crteža, maskenbala sa detetom, pitam se gde. Kad znam da vredim, al samopouzdanje mi je oštećeno strahom zbog pokretanja pitanja GDE?
Na posao."
2,62541,2019-10-30T13:57:25.089Z,11311,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,62525,anon2614214130,anon2294683781,"Cao, Elena i dobro nam dosla na Edgeryders platformu.
Drago nam je sto si iznela neke svoje stavove i drago nam je da cujemo kakva je situacija ""sa one strane saltera"". Svi stalno imamo taj stav kako nas zene koje rade na salteru tretiraju kao cifru, kao da nismo i mi ljudi sa osecanjima a onda shvatim da i mi isto radimo. Prosto mi je neverovatno to sada da citam i shvatim. Kao da sam vaznu lekciju iz ovog tvoj teksta naucila i hvala ti na tome.
Sve deluje kao da se osecas zaglavljeno i da se prosto plasis da izadjes iz zone komfora. Uvek te vrste ""problema"" deluju tako licne, svakom pojedincu a zapravo su tako opsta mesta i verujem da ne postoji osoba koja kroz to nije prosla. Apsolutno sam sigurna, jer kada sam ja krenula na svoj spiritualni put slusala sam xy uspesnih i cak poznatih ljudi koji pricaju bas o tim istim stvarima kroz koje mi obicni smrtnici prolazimo. 
Zato je odlicno sto si to podelila, jer ces verovatno na ovu temu dobiti feedback od svake osobe na svetu ukljucujuci i te megauspesne ljude, i onda shvatiti koliko je to zapravo prirodno i normalno sto se tako osecas.
Volela bih da odgovoris ti prvo sebi na nekoliko pitanja. Sta zelis? Sta te ispunjava? Sta je to sto kada radis sati ti prolaze ko minuti? Sta god da je to za tebe, radi to bar 10min svakog dana. Pa polako povecavaj.
Svi smo bili tu i svi cemo vrlo verovatno ponovo doci tu gde si ti."
3,62599,2019-10-31T01:04:56.544Z,11311,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,62525,anon3346229079,anon2294683781,"Cao Elena!

Hvala sto si podijelila svoju pricu. Prepoznao sam se u oba aspekta tvoje price.

Sto se prvog tice, sve nas formiraju roditelji i sredina u kojoj odrastamo. Da li je to kroz savjete ili kroz njihova ocekanon598341349ja, kroz njihovu sliku nas koja nam se toliko namece da na kraju mislimo da to i jesmo mi. Ja svoje nizasta ne krivim, ipak vecima ljudi kojima smo svakodnevno okruzeni zeli najbolje za nas dok odrastamo...znaci daju nam ono najbolje sto mogu.

Doduse srecni ljudi u zivotu postanu svijesni tog ""programiranja"", uglavnom ako su nesrecni, i onda si pocnu postavljati vazna pitanja. Velikoj vecini ljudi treba puno vremena i istrazanon598341349ja da skinu sve te slojeve, slagane tu od rodjenja, da bi dosli do sustine svog bica. Cim sam postao svijestan toga ja sam poceo postavljati vazna pitanja: Sto me cini srecnim? Sto je meni vazno u zivotu? Sto sam spreman uraditi da bi dobio ono sto zelim? Itd

Sto se drugog dijela tice, ja sam probao mnoge stvari (i jos uvijek cesto ulazim u nove stvari o kojima ne znam puno). U pocetku je bilo jako tesko, prije svega zato sto nisam imao samopouzdanja tako da te razumijem. Doduse, najveca greska sto mi svi radimo je da prekidamo uciti kad zavrsimo sa formalnim obrazovanjem. Cinjenica je da se svijet jako brzo krece i da mi moramo uciti non stop da bi bili u toku. Najvaznija stvar je ulaganje u samog sebe, i ne treba ti nikakva diploma da bi dokazala tvoj nivo znanja na bilo koju temu (doduse ne odmaze :slight_smile:). Tvoje znanje ce ti sluziti u svakoj situaciji i nikad nije kasno nauciti nesto novo.
Naravno, u zemlji u kojoj se toliko cesto vise cijeni uvlacenje u dupe ili beskicmenjaci i ljudi koji nemaju znanje je puno teze unovciti to znanje. Doduse to ne znaci da je nemoguce, a i postoje mnoge stvari koje se danas mogu raditi preko interneta. Moze se raditi za ljude iz cijelog svijeta, a sa razvijanjem virtualne stvarnosti ce takva vrsta zaposlenja biti sve cesca i cesca (to je blize nego sto mislis).

Ima dana kad nemam snage i kad se samo izlezavam. Veliku vecinu dana si ipak mogu priustiti 2h ulozena u ucenje novih stvari. Da li je to kroz citanje knjige (ili slusanje knjige dok sam u saobracaju), ili kroz ucenje novih stvari, ili kroz radjenje novih stvari, ali 2h definitivno provedem ulazuci u sebe i rezultati uvijek slijede. 

Ima odlicna knjiga: ""Think and Grow Rich"" od Nanon3760934795eon Hill, ili ""The Power Of Broke"" od Daymond John. Failing Forward of John C. Maxwell je dobra isto za izlazak iz komfort zone."
4,62736,2019-11-01T10:05:01.328Z,11311,2,6,5,1,0,0,46.2,62599,anon2294683781,anon3346229079,"Hvala na podršci!

Naravno da roditelji za svoje dete žele najbolje. Svoj vaspitni obrazac su kreirali u odnosu na generaciju pre, a ovi takođe u odnosu na generaciju pre i tako dalje. Možda su previše bili stisnuti pedagoškim i moralnim normama bez da shvate da je čovek, pa i dete, jedinka za sebe i da svakom treba individualan pristup. Bar je tako u mom slučaju. I ne krivim ih ni za šta. 

Kao posledica takvog usmeravanja, čovek ostane zaglavljen u nekim fazama odrastanja i kao primer ima, danas - sutra, nepoštojanje prema autoritetu ili sa druge strane strahopoštovanje gde nije u redu iskazati svoje mišljenje. Iz svega toga proizilazi odnos prema partneru i sam odabir istog gde nešto očekujemo ili ne očekujemo. I hiljadu drugih odnosa... A onda, nesvesno, prenosimo to na naše buduće generacije u nadi da činimo najbolje u začaranom krugu roditeljstva. 

Pozitivna stvar je kad nesvesni deo postane svestan. Smatram da je to rešenje pola problema jer tada imamo priliku da delamo. Što se može primeniti i na komfor zonu. Jer kad komfor zona počne da te žulja, prestaje da bude komfor zona i potrebno je preduzeti akciju kao bi shvatio da bodljikava žica komfor zone zapravo ne postoji, već si je ti svojim neznanjem, pogrešnim uverenjima i strahom projektovao."
5,62745,2019-11-01T15:30:13.870Z,11311,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,62736,anon3346229079,anon2294683781,"Potpisujem svaku :slight_smile:

Da, moje uvjerenje je da ne mozemo vidjeti stvarni potencijal kod 99% ljudi ako nisu nikad bili pritjerani ledjima uza zid. Tu covjek nema izbora vec izlazi iz komfort zone i daje svoj maksimum, i onda otkriva da on to moze! To je samo prvi korak, prva pobjeda. Kroz zivot mi smo sami sebi najveca prepreka tako da poslje prve pobjede treba nastaviti i polako graditi sebe i dizati svoj nivo energije...graditi svoj potencijal."
6,62945,2019-11-04T15:45:39.275Z,11311,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,62736,anon2446385507,anon2294683781,"Zdravo Elena, možda ako pročitate priču o @anon1146465561 biće vam ohrabreno. [Napisala ga je na engleskom,](https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-new-moral-code-of-21st-century/10030) ali @anon2614214130 i ja želimo da je prevedemo na srpski jer je tako relevantna. Nekako je našla svoj put:

_U životu sam pokušao i primenio ovaj manjinski moralni kodeks na sve što sam radio - nisam voleo radne kulture u kojima sam radio pre, stvorio sam svoju kad sam postao izvršni direktor. Ne odustajem od borbe za osnažanon598341349je žena, marginalizovanih grupa i podsticanja klimatskih akcija. U ovome sam se osećao usamljeno, ali poslednjih godina pokret počinje da se razvija i narativ onoga što je dominantno željeno ponašanje polako se menja._"
1,62639,2019-10-31T11:52:23.578Z,11321,0,12,11,36,0,0,212.4,62639,anon1541706549,anon1541706549,"<image here> 
 
Deluje kao da se svi mi u Srbiji bavimo istim temama. Bar pričamo o njima. Deluje kao da svako od nas ima jasnu sliku o situaciji, a da li je tako? Koliko nas zaista izlazi iz svog balončića i ima sliku kakav je život u selu pored Pirota? Generalno se naša priča svodi na ukazanon598341349je na probleme i na večitu temu u Srba ‘Da li spakovati svežanj i kupiti kartu u jednom pravcu?’. Ima onih koji su više radoznali i, čini se, uživaju u istražanon598341349ju cele ove situacije na terenu sa svim bizarnostima a sa prizvukom nade. Dušan Čavić i Dušan Šaponja​ u narodu poznatiji kao Marka žvaka, već godinama dele sa nama svoju žeđ za istražanon598341349jem i upoznavanjem našeg okruženja. Postojala je, ne tako davno, neka Srbija koja je bila za nijansu ugodnija od ove sada i tada su imali svoju TV emisiju u kojoj smo uživali, smejali se i tražili lepotu tamo gde se čini da je to poslednje mesto gde bi lepota boravila. Pošto je došla Srbija koja je preuzela bizarnost kao mainstream, to je jedino što nude TV prijemnici ovih dana, nisu imali izbora već su se sklonili sa malih ekrana i plivaju u drugim vodama. Njihov YouTube(https://www.youtube.com/user/dusancavic ) kanal je teško opisati ali znamo koji su ljudi koji prate njihov rad a kojima je to nezanimljivo. Učesnici u reportažama su i jedni i drugi. Osim zanimljivih reportaža tu su ‘daj da pomognemo sami sebi’ iliti, što bi rekli naši stari ‘DIY videa’. Recimo tu je video o tome kako da sami asfaltirate rupu u svojoj ulici i hvala im na tome! Videćete ih i kako se bore za očuvanje zelenih površina tako što skupljaju potpise građana. Gibanicijada, jepurijada, sačijada, gulašijada, prasijada… Kao što vidite i hrabri su momci, jer nakon ovakvih Srpskih okupljanja vegani savremenog društva bi imali traume do kraja života.

Odgovorili su na nekoliko pitanja, evo šta kažu:



***Kako bi voleo da te opisuju kad nisi u prostoriji?**

**Čavić**​​: Što mi je poznat ovaj… Jesmo ga videli negde?

**Šaponja**​​: Jaoooo, što se podmladio!



***Šta kažeš sebi kad je situacija bzvz a ne možeš ništa da promeniš?**

**Čavić**​: Uglavnom pokušam da odem, da se izvučem ko puvanjak, a kažem sebi “Zar opet?”.

**Šaponja**​​: “Nisi mogao da znaš da nisi otišao tu i da nisi prisustvovao tome, ne moze to da se predvidi.”


***Na koje svoje uverenje si ponosan? Neko koje nema veze sa onima kojima su te roditelji&amp;co učili, a donosi ti wellbeing.**

**Čavić**​​: Ponosan sam na to što verujem u normalno društvo gde se vrednuju rad, sposobnost i kvaliteti a ne korupcija i pripadnost interesnim grupama ili političkim partijama. 
**Šaponja:​** Ne znam sad da li sam baš ponosan ali znam da mi je drago što se osećam pre svega kao građanin planete Zemlje pa onda svega ovog ostalog.


***Kako se osetiš kada napustiš granicu Srbije?**

**Čavić**​​: Malo mi đipne patriotozam ali osetim se dobro, rasterećenije. Osetim se kao stanovnik planete. Putovanja su uvek dinamična, što mi se sviđa, pa osetim uzbuđenje i ozarim se!

**Šaponja**​: Isto se osećam kao i pre napuštanja granice. Možda malčice divljije, ono kao, malo pušteniji s lanca.


***Šta je to što ovde škripi? Ne na nivou politike i ekonomije, nego na nivou pojedinca**.

**Čavić​​:** Korupcija. Svest da uvek postoji mogućnost kako do nečega doći a da to ne bude legalnim putem. I nekultura!!

**Šaponja​​**: Mislim da ovde škripi manjak nekog entuzijazma, odnosno tog nekog preduzetništva.


***U čemu uživaš ovde? Šta sa ponosom pokažeš strancima sa ""Vidi, BRE!!!""?**

**Čavić**​:​ Uživam u prirodi. Prelepa nam je priroda, posebno ruralni predeli, netaknuti. A kažem im “Vidi, bre!” kad im pokažem Romska naselja. Oni su ljudi veseli i žive punim plućima.

**Šaponja**​: Ponosan sam na našu neposrednost i gostoljubivost i naravno na sve hedonističke stavke. “Vidi bre kako možeš da jedeš za medalju za male pare a ne tamo kod tebe gde te oderu a osrednja klopa...ili cirka.”


***Da imas magični štapić šta bi ubacio svakom građaninu Srbije u glavu?**

**Čavić**​​: Ubacio bih im sposobnost da rasuđuju svojim mozgom i da traže uvek više izvora informacija pa da sami zaključe. I onemogućio bih im da veruju bilo kom političaru!

**Šaponja​​**: Slažem se sa Čavićem, ubacio bih im sposobnost kritičkog mišljenja i da više pažnje posvećuju prevenciji svega, zdravstvenoj pre svega, da se kreću više.


Bolje ćemo ih upoznati 23. novembra na EdgeRyders radionici u Beogradu gde će Dušan i Dušan biti učesnici i tada ćete moći da ih pitate šta god vas zanima. Vidimo se tamo!
Registrujte se i obezbedite svoju ulaznicu https://tell.edgeryders.eu/blagostanje"
2,62899,2019-11-04T09:15:29.053Z,11321,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,62639,anon2446385507,anon1541706549,"@anon2614214130 can you include at the end of the post a link to registration for the workshop?

Also, when you write about their Youtube Channel, post a link! The platform will render a preview, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeiRyLo_Q9q4tlv9aaQJF5w

It will make the post more informative, and friendlier to read!
Thanks!"
3,62900,2019-11-04T09:29:44.546Z,11321,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,62639,anon2446385507,anon1541706549,"Ovo je tako zanimljivo! Dakle, ono što nedostaje ljudima da imaju mogućnost autonomije i pomoći sebi je kritičko razmišljanje. Isto bih mogao reći i za svoju zemlju, gde ono što često nedostaje su osnovne vrednosti iskrenosti i činjenje nečega za opće dobro, a manje individualistička.

@anon1541706549 Čavić, Saponja: Izgleda da ste sami izmislili svoje delo, kao što sam to činio i kad sam osnovao globalnu zajednicu Edgeriders. Zanima me da li ste sposobni za život od video produkcije? iz podizanja svesti i dobra dela?

Izvinjavam se za greške, koristim google translate da pišem na srpskom!"
4,62906,2019-11-04T10:37:32.285Z,11321,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,62900,anon1541706549,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi!

yes, our video production is solvent and profitable =). From, among other things, raising awerness =)"
5,62908,2019-11-04T10:45:54.852Z,11321,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,62906,anon2446385507,anon1541706549,"Čestitam!
Impresivna je izrada dobrih, popularnih medija i pronalaženje poslovnih modela kako bi bili održivi. Kao što znamo, mnogi ioutube virusni kanali ispadaju da ne mogu da podrže kreatore sadržaja (https://vvv.vired.com/stori/ioutube-monetization-creators-ads/).

Radujem se što ću se upoznati za nekoliko nedelja, putujem sa @anon3346229079 Beograd i pomažem u radionici.

Treba li nešto da znamo pre nego što dođemo? Postoje li neka posebna očekanon598341349ja od vaše strane, na šta želite da se fokusirate? :-)"
1,57017,2019-07-23T11:30:15.883Z,10400,0,23,22,16,0,0,129.6,57017,anon4201584910,anon4201584910,"Helloo! I ben seing your ad ranning on my Facebook for a while,so i decided to join. anon3760934795ogies for my english, its not the best :(((

If i understand what this site is abaut, it is about people sharing their views and thaughts on life araund them

For mi, most fascinating problem thet people in serbia (im from serbia btw! čao svima :-) ) ) dont understand is female prostitution.

Iwas raeding an article on b92, a serbian portal that I like alot on that deals with prostitution (glam prostitution as they call it). Article is here (in serbain if someone here speaks serbian): https://www.b92.net/zivot/tabu.php?yyyy=2019&amp;mm=06&amp;dd=29&amp;nav_id=1560208

Ive seen this ad on serbian portals and I knou a few girls that have registered to this. whats troubling me is why do girls allow themselves to get into this, why degrade temselves into selling their own bodies for maney. while i do understand that there are some women that like to do this (as people like diffarent things), i dont understand why they get into this and then experience problems later. what did they expect?"
2,57045,2019-07-23T15:04:16.652Z,10400,0,18,17,1,0,0,38.6,57017,anon2446385507,anon4201584910,"Nice to meet you @anon4201584910,

I am a longtime member of Edgeryders, Romanian living in Brussels.

Thank you for the courage to write in a language which is not your native one, I think it's great, and in the future don;t feel obliged, you can write in Serbian and other native Serbians can join and comment. We are only starting this project about Wellbeing in Europe, so you will see more and more people joining over the next few months.

From what I understand in the article you sent (I hit google translate to understand), women do it because of necessity - they need money to pay rent, or repay loans and so on. Sex trafficking has some similar elements, where people stay in it because over time, different lives become hard to imagine. Have you asked the girls that you know, why do they do it? 

I'm also wondering if this is talked about a lot in Serbia in public, or not so much?

PS Since you are new to the forum, I can maybe guide you to topics which interest you? Many edgeryders members write about a lot of subjects, just let me know what/ who would you like to connect with!"
3,57213,2019-07-27T09:14:09.007Z,10400,1,13,12,1,0,0,57.6,57017,anon3346229079,anon4201584910,"Cao Ivana, dobrodosla na platformu :slight_smile:

Ja inace zivim u Briselu i to je jedna od bas velikih tema u mnogim drzavama. Mogu podjeliti sa tobom neka iskustva posto sam puno putovao i zivio u vise drzava.
Sto se prostitucije u Belgiji tice ona je legalizovana, to donosi nekoliko dobrih stvari:
1. Zene koje tako rade imaju vise zastite od strane policije itd (mada su naravno kriminalne organizacije jos uvijek jake i cine mnoga zla)
2. Zene koje tako rade imaju redovne testove za spolno prenosive bolesti, sto stiti vise i njih i njihove klijente
3. Doprinose drustvu kroz placanje poreza i imaju svu zastitu koju bilo koji radnik ima, takodje imaju i penziju itd cini mi se

Moj glavni argument za legalizaciju je to da u zemljama gdje je prostitucija ilegalna, prostitucija jos uvijek cvijeta posto je velika potraznja za njom ali sve ove stvari iznad ne postoje. Te zene su maltretirane, ubijane i jako cesto bukvalno robinje...kupljene i prodane tako.

Sto se tice razloga dacu ti neke koje znam:
U Maroku na primjer tu zavrse cesto djevojke koje su odbacene od strane njihove porodice i s obzirom da im je drustvo patrijarhalno i one budu odbacene od drustva, te zene ne mogu cesto ni preziviti ako ne udju u prostituciju. To rade i djevojke iz bogatih familija koje zele uzbudjenje, zabavu, zele raditi zabranjene stvari.
U Njemackoj i Belgiji ima puno zena koje to rade dobrovoljno i na specifican nacin. Na primjer u Njemackoj postoje neke vrste SPA centara gdje se placa ulaz na dnevnoj bazi a zene i muskarci se spontano skontaju i ako se zeni svidi, ona spava sa njim uz novcanu nadoknadu. Tako nesto, citao sam clanak o tome tako da nisam siguran. Cesto su to I u Belgiji i u Njemackoj samohrane majke ili studentice kojima treba nesto ekstra novaca mjesecno i onda periodicno, po potrebi, se bave prostitucijom.
U Tajlandu na primjer majka je spremna prodati cerku da bi dobila novcanu nadoknadu na zalost...to je zajednicno za prostituciju u svim zemljama. Razlog broj jedan su finansijske teskoce ljudi. Ljudi takodjer cesto ne vide izlaza iz odredjene situacije. Osobe koje su odrasle u centrima prostitucije kao Marakes u Maroku, to vide prisutno u svom okruzenju. Znaci to im se cini kao ocigledan nacin izlaza iz teske situacije, pitanje je percepcije. Postoje mnogi drugi nacini da se prezivi ali stvarnost svake osobe zavisi od njene percepcije.

Jos jedan razlog (a to se cesto radi u zemljama istocne Evrope) jeste da se mladim djevojkama obeca posao u zapadnim zemljama. Te djevojke dodju, uzme im se pasos i uz pretnje, tucu i ostale stvari, natjeraju ih da ostanu i rade kao prostitutke...upadnu u lanac bjelog roblja i tesko se jako mogu izvuci.

Kao sto vidis postoje mnogi razlozi, ja pretpostavljam da u elitnoj prostituciji ima puno vise djevojki koje to  rade dobrovoljno. To je vec drugi problem. To je problem postavljanja vrednosti u zivotu i prioriteta, opet percepcija stvarnosti svake osobe diktira njeno ponasanje.

Sto se mene tice ne osudjujem nikoga, meni je samo vazno da imam pozitivnu interakciju sa drugim ljudskim bicima."
4,62902,2019-11-04T09:53:54.329Z,10400,0,9,8,3,0,0,16.8,57213,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Slažem se sa @anon3346229079.  Kada postoji pravni okvir, lakše je kriminalizirati ono što spada van njega i umanjiti siva tržišta. Takođe ljudima koji odluče da to urade (npr. Iz potrebe) nudi i sigurniju opciju.

@anon4201584910:  Da li nam se pridružite na radionicama [u Bečeju](https://edgeryders.eu/t/kako-zadrzati-mlade-ljude-kreativnost-i-preduzetnistvo-ulaganje-u-mlade-za-bolju-buducnost-srbije-radionica-u-beceju/11170/) (22. novembra) [ili Beogradu](https://edgeryders.eu/t/pozivamo-vas-na-egderyders-radionicu/11284/) (23. novembra)?"
1,62854,2019-11-03T15:31:25.456Z,11345,0,10,9,7,0,0,37.0,62854,anon4062071924,anon4062071924,"
Ahoj,

rádi bychom vás všechny pozvali na setkání účastníků Edgeryders komunity.

FB Event: https://www.facebook.com/events/1211898378997747/

Kdy? V sobotu 23. 11. 2019 od 14 do 21

Kde? V Cross Clubu (Plynární 1096/23, Praha 7) – V salonku a části kavárny v 1. patře

Organizátoři: [ **@anon4062071924** ](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon4062071924), [ **@anon3353600255** ](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon

Facilitátoři: TBA

Vstupné? „Lístkem“ je přidání příběhu zde na virtuální platformě Edgeryders (https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz)

Pokud máte nějaké dotazy, jak to udělat, neváhejte kontaktovat Kuba Švehlu, který tenhle festival organizuje: ([svehlaj@anon

Podrobný program bude brzy upřesněn, ale vše se snažíme připravit pro vaše nejlepší pohodlí a přátelský vibe, abyste si mohli užít příjemné chvíle se svými příběhy. Setkáte se s novými lidmi z platformy a objevíte hlubší souvislosti svých i jejich příběhů. V následných diskusích se pokusíme najít nějaká řešení, jak bychom mohli zlepšit naši životní pohodu: v Evropě, Čechách, Praze nebo v našich čtvrtích…

Ve večerních hodinách celý prostor pozvolně přejde do další kulturní akce, kam jste rovněž všichni zváni (link již brzy):

* občerstvení zajištěno (ale celou dobu bude otevřená kavárna s restaurací)
* vhodné i pro děti
* nekuřácké prostředí
* MHD denní i noční
* živá hudba a DJs

*** více info již brzy ***

Tento projekt získal finanční prostředky z výzkumného a inovačního programu Evropské unie Horizont 2020 na základě grantové dohody č. 822682.
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2,62913,2019-11-04T11:23:58.604Z,11345,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,62854,anon2446385507,anon4062071924,"Kuba, if you are using this post as an invitation to participants and other community members I recommend adding a photo to make it friendlier!"
1,61668,2019-10-18T12:04:09.842Z,11185,0,12,11,39,0,0,227.4,61668,anon4241195410,anon4241195410,"**November 8, 2019 18.00 → November 10, 2019 13:00**

* Location: Brno, Káznice, Bratislavská 249/68, 602 00 Brno-střed-Zábrdovice
* Organisers: @anon4241195410
* Facilitated by: @anon4241195410, discussion moderator
* Content discussions (in English): 
* Status: Gathering speakers, figuring out details on how to make people share their stories

In the Czech Republic, it is getting harder and harder to find affordable housing. Living in safe, fair and decent housing is one of the fundamental human rights! Sadly, different groups of people are facing different kinds of problems and obstacles in the housing market.

Hacanon3213561856hon about affordable housing is an intensive and focused team activity where people with different capabilities and knowledge cooperate to solve problems or create projects regarding affordable housing in the Czech Republic.

Anyone can participate in the hacanon3213561856hon. We are looking for people with different life experience, who are interested in housing-related issues. The participants will divide in groups of 2 to 5 people and from Saturday morning to Sunday noon will be intensively working on real projects and products that aim to help ordinary people with their housing situation.

## Registration 
You can register on this link until 31st of October: [https://forms.gle/75LkuuJgAd1uyd3y5](https://forms.gle%2F75LkuuJgAd1uyd3y5%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0fNBDv3gO44wHi8LY_zDxLsAqF60vd8wN7tl_K70Udc0Bu7P1aNxH4Kp8&amp;h=AT1EvgvfBzrZiciQ5Lsa-vouX5p5m2RMs4i2dGyLpXrpiBgQXqFJrCpYwjmPoda2HjKXkioumFZdFDC-h3jXYvj4YTd2h6xBC2BSKJdPA6NM2PapucDyVgCcrcKNMtVLXYXGekoy-g)
The event is open for everyone, regardless of age, experience, gender or social status. Anyone can register! Vegan food and accommodation are paid by the organizer.

## Format
On Friday, from 18:00 on, there will be a public panel discussion on affordable housing. 
To launch a fruitful discussion, top experts will attend an open panel discussion about social aspects of housing.

**Confirmed speakers:** Martin Freund (Brno projects [Housing first](https://socialnibydleni.org/slovnik-pojmu/housing-first-bydleni-predevsim?gclid=CjwKCAjwxaXtBRBbEiwAPqPxcARZ7OgfXP_F22OTnl5Ig5uFHaFuznlk1qoIT9UMrOXpvwRVnn-I_hoCb4YQAvD_BwE) and [Rapid Re-housing](https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/solutions/rapid-re-housing/), Housing first in Brno)

More exciting guests are to be confirmed.

From Saturday morning to Sunday noon will be intensively working on real projects and products that aim to help ordinary people with their housing situation.

## Support 

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This project is also supported by the European Youth Foundation of the Council of Europe.

### Does getting involved mean I endorse the funders views or actions?

No. What you are doing is contributing to an open consultation on the topic of how to build a next generation of internet infrastructure, technologies, business models etc that promotes the wellbeing of humans and the natural environment. The consultation methodology is designed in such a way as to allow for diversity of views, premises, disciplines, themes and contexts. We employ open notebook science principles and the results will be presented in the form of a research report accessible to everyone after the event. You can follow the process, review the methodology and open source tech we are using and engage directly with the research and coordination team in our [Wellbeing Workspace.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/workspace)

### What is the code of conduct?

It is important to us that everyone in the room feels welcomed and safe; if you have any particular concerns or needs just send me a PM here on the platform or write to [anon781457888@anon

The Edgeryders online platform technology and activities are intended for people to cooperate within and across projects trying to build a better world. The word “better” has here a fairly broad range of meaning. These [Community Guidelines](https://edgeryders.eu/t/netiquette/45) are here to help you understand what it means to be a member of Edgeryders. Don’t forget that your use of Edgeryders is subject to these Community Guidelines and our [Terms of Service](https://edgeryders.eu/t/id/44).

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You can read about our [Terms of Use and Privacy Policy here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy/44). Also:

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2,61774,2019-10-21T06:59:01.556Z,11185,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,61668,anon2446385507,anon4241195410,"@anon4241195410 your registration form is not working.. can you repost the link? :frowning:
PS I also took the liberty to format the text a bit and fix some other links."
3,62831,2019-11-03T08:55:03.197Z,11185,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,61668,anon781457888,anon4241195410,hi Do you have an image/ banner for promoting this event?
4,62832,2019-11-03T09:03:24.996Z,11185,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,61668,anon781457888,anon4241195410,"If you want you can use this one and I can make other sizes and languages if you give me the text:

![ly_jWTZ30pOZIl%20(1)|690x578](upload://75jRs8SFyoWesjT6Phg3b7EZvGi.png)"
5,62833,2019-11-03T09:27:37.409Z,11185,2,8,7,1,0,0,46.6,61668,anon4241195410,anon4241195410,"<image here> 
 

we have this"
6,62840,2019-11-03T12:01:55.816Z,11185,0,8,7,2,0,0,41.6,62833,anon4241195410,anon4241195410,"and this one for the original fb event...this is more for the hacanon3213561856hon, the other fb event is more for the opening panel discussion

<image here> 
"
7,62842,2019-11-03T12:23:42.842Z,11185,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,62833,anon781457888,anon4241195410,Its nice
1,59813,2019-09-24T13:42:58.858Z,10855,0,9,8,3,0,0,16.8,59813,anon2190734819,anon2190734819,"Ostatnio zastanawiam się nad znalezieniem swojego miejsca w tym kraju. Z żoną zawsze marzyliśmy o domu z podwórkiem, gdzie będziemy mogli hodować zwierzęta (psy, kury) oraz pielęgnować swój ogródek. Oboje pracujemy w Warszawie, więc mieszkanie w domu wiąże się z mniej więcej czterema godzinami w samochodzie (nie mówiąc już o wożeniu dziecka do szkoły i na dodatkowe zajęcia). Najłatwiejszą opcją byłoby kupno mieszkania, z którego dojeżdżalibyśmy metrem do pracy. Teraz pojawia się dylemat:
Czy zrezygnować z dobrze płatnych prac i wynieść się do mniejszej miejscowości, skąd mielibyśmy blisko do pracy?
Czy zrezygnować z marzeń o mieszkaniu w naszej 'idylli'?
Myślimy też o znalezieniu zdalnych prac, które umożliwiłyby nam mieszkanie w mniejszej miejscowości i nadal żyć godnie.
Kolejna kwestia to cena mieszkania i domu. Obecnie ceny idą w górę w zastraszającym tempie. W przeciągu kilku lat wybudowanie domu podrożało o jakieś 30%! Kupno mieszkania na wiele lat w centrum Warszawy we względnie atrakcyjnym osiedlu to koszt rzędu minimum 600 000. Natoanon1235093333st budowa domu wraz z działką pod Warszawą znacznie przekracza milion złotych. Skąd młodzi ludzie kilka lat po studiach mają mieć takie sumy? Z drugiej strony pakować się w kredyt na całe życie? 
Mów się nam, że żyjemy w czasach dobrobytu, że nigdy nie było tak łatwo jak teraz. Jak to się ma do mojego dylematu? 
Pozdrawiam, Tomek"
2,59849,2019-09-25T07:42:15.132Z,10855,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,59813,anon3593942245,anon2190734819,"Brakuje tu jeszcze ważnego wątku klimatycznego - jakiego rodzaju mieszkania wybieracie, i jak ten wybór przełoży się na wasz ""footprint"". Z jednej strony mieszkanie poza anon1235093333stem brzmi miło, z drugiej wydaje mi się, że w anon1235093333stach z tak słabą (wciąż) komunikacją miejską, jak Warszawa, idylla ogródka za anon1235093333stem znika pod spalinami bardzo szybko. Co z kur, kiedy obok jest droga szybkiego ruchu? 

Co do dylematu prosperity i nieposiadania, moim zdaniem wpadliśmy w tą samą spiralę nierówności, w którą Stany zjednoczone wpadły dekady temu - stagnacja zarobków, rosnące koszty życia, bogactwo gospodarstwa domowego spada od lat 80-tych bodajże. Nie jest lepiej  klasie średniej, poziom ubóstwa na ziemi też się zmniejsza, ale bogactwo nie jest dla niej dostępne. Stąd nie możemy kupić mieszkania, ceny są kosmiczne, a wielu z nas decyduje się na kredytowe niewolnictwo."
3,62726,2019-11-01T02:08:07.639Z,10855,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,59813,anon2971899728,anon2190734819,"Marzenia, a potrzeby i możliwości to dwie różne kwestie. Niełatwo zrezygnować z tych pierwszych, choć rozsądek podpowiada, że aktualne i przyszłe potrzeby nie będą wyanon1547754019ć aż takiego rozmachu :) 
Dylemat dom vs mieszkanie znam z własnego podwórka i podwórka znajomych. Dojazdy do pracy potrafią uprzykrzyć życie. Według mnie lokalizacja jest najważniejsza - dla niej warto odłożyć więcej, a może nawet przepłacić. I jako dobrą nie mam na myśli atrakcyjną cenowo, ale optymalną dla dwóch możliwych wersji życia - konieczności dojazdów do dużego anon1235093333sta lub mieszkania i pracowania w mniejszym. Możesz mieć piękny dom na wsi i 2 h dojeżdżać do pracy, a możesz zapłacić drożej za miejsce spokojne, ale jednak blisko anon1235093333sta, kolejki. Sprawdzaj konkrety - ile km do szkół, sklepów, jaki czas dojazdu autobusem itp. Szukaj najlepszych opcji tak długo aż poczujesz, że to jest to. Osobiście wolę nawet segment z małym ogródkiem niż duże mieszkanie w centrum blokowiska. W cenie mieszkania w Wawie masz domek pod Warszawą, ale nie tuż tuż przy stolicy, bo tam faktycznie nie zejdziesz poniżej 800 tys. - miliona, ale kilka stacji dalej wzdłuż trasy skm - już tak. Powodzenia :)"
1,62498,2019-10-29T16:45:12.244Z,11305,0,18,17,3,0,0,123.6,62498,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wUbF4_4fvCw/UqtUPREfQKI/AAAAAAAABhs/sIVyhJRPyCw/s1600/magic_book.jpg

The more we hear people in the [Czech forum](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz) sharing their experience of trying to get through situations that come along in their lives, we cannot but notice some similarities as well as varieties of solutions they tried out. Would it be too bold, in-fact, to try to put our minds together and see if something practical comes out of them?

I do believe it is actually manageable:) As we discussed it today, we imagined a ""Life-Survival"" CookBook, aggregating the stories and paths people shared on Edgeryders into a possible practical Wellbeing-guide. Now, the question is - how should it look like? We can hardly develop a perfect problem solving algorithm (anyway, we already have youtube and google, right :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:), but there are real experiences at hand which can inform real decisions. The upcoming community events present a perfect opportunity for hearing even more of them.

Czech forum will proudly serve as the testing ground, coming along with the national stereotype of real-life improv problem solving in any situation (and stubbornly at all costs, heh), we will see if we can translate our collective knowledge into a structured guide.

What is certain, the Edgeryders platform is our knowledge database by default already - how can we develop from here? And how will the chapters in our book and their structure look like? Let us see what the mysterious future brings.."
2,62531,2019-10-30T10:38:11.436Z,11305,0,14,13,1,0,0,22.8,62498,anon2867672406,anon3353600255,"Great idea... but very difficult, because of the well known difficulties in organizing lots of idiosyncratic, rich experiences into an ""ontology of everything"". Any attempt to do so runs into a lot of platypi, i.e. unclassifiable stuff. The most engaging account of that, in my humble opinion, is Clay Shirky's fantastic 2005 essay called [Ontology is overrated](http://shirky.com/writings/ontology_overrated.html).

If you buy Shirky's argument, the CookBook is Edgeryders itself. All of if: not only the 55K posts, but also the web of links leading from post to post, and the 5.5K registered users, who act as the living memory of past experiences and past conversations to share them. 

If you don't, then you need to bite the bullet and try to make your ontology. The closest we have is @anon2661411812's encyclopedian attempt at an ""operating system for the planet"", called [Earth OS](https://ma.juii.net/ma-documents/main/EarthOS.pdf). But it takes a mind like Matt's to stay on top of something that big."
3,62584,2019-10-30T17:16:39.144Z,11305,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,62498,anon781457888,anon3353600255,"I suppose it depends on what you mean by a ""cookbook"". In design we talk about Christopher ALexander's pattern language - a kind of simple framework for approaching messy problems. In Edgeryders I think the equivalent is actually the process of which you have been a part as an active protagonist: Reach out, engage people in conversation, which leads to connection, process information making it easier to see where people's trajectories cross - and then you are connected in  map of people with clouds of experiences, interests, networks that are somehow relevant to where you are and want to go. I think where we are different is that there is a methodology and tools to be able to do this at the scale of relationship-building needed in order for people to have what they need - enough other cooks. So maybe a cookbook as a presentation of chefs rather than recipes."
1,61867,2019-10-21T18:18:13.013Z,11214,0,9,8,2,0,0,26.8,61867,anon1547754019,anon1547754019,"Cieszę się, że jest w końcu miejsce, w którym po prostu mogę napisać to, co myślę. Jestem nauczycielką i w tym momencie pewnie wszyscy, czytający to Polacy, wiedzą, co napiszę, ale trudno. O żadnym strajku nie będzie :) i o pensji też nie :) Chciałam tylko wyrazić swoje niezadowolenie z tego, co dzieje się w szkołach w tej chwili. Mam dość szeroki pogląd na sytuację, ponieważ jeszcze w zeszłym roku pracowałam w szkole podstawowej a obecnie jest to zespół szkół ponadpodstawowych. 
I właśnie w tym roku jestem szczególnie wzburzona. Zdenerwował mnie fakt, że w tym roku, gdy podwójny rocznik poszedł do szkół, uczniowie mają jeszcze gorsze warunki nauki niż wcześniej. Jest to spowodowane tym, że wszystkie zakamarki szkół ponadpodstawowych zostały przerobione na klaso-pracownie. Korytarze są przeludnione. Pomieszczenia są tak malutkie, że ledwo można przejść pomiędzy ławkami a dopływ powietrza i światła dziennego jest przez małe okienko :/ Oczywiście o jakimkolwiek sprzęcie można zapomnieć. Jest tylko tablica i pisak lub (o zgrozo!) kreda. O jakimkolwiek komforcie pracy i nauki można zapomnieć. Takie są skutki kolejnych reform edukacji. Zaanon1235093333st kłaść nacisk na unowocześnianie pracowni, metod nauczania, form pracy, sposobów przekazywania i przyswajania wiedzy, to kolejne rządy skupiają się na tym, żeby tylko wprowadzać ""zanon1235093333nę"" a o efekty niech się martwią inni, w tym wypadku: nauczyciele, rodzice i ci, którzy powinni być najważniejsi czyli uczniowie."
2,61949,2019-10-22T10:41:19.121Z,11214,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,61867,anon1274458134,anon1547754019,"Zastanawia mnie skąd wśród rządzących taka chęć do reformowania po łebkach. Wygląda to tak, jak gdyby każdy minister chciał porobić jakieś zanon1235093333ny na swoim poletku po to by się wykazać i udowodnić swoja przydatność. I tak jak pisałaś, za skutki wprowadzanych nierozsądnie zanon1235093333n zapłacą ci, którzy są najniżej łańcucha edukacji: dzieci, rodzice i nauczyciele. A w kontekście niedawnych wyborów, zastanawiam się, czy osiągnięciu lepszego wyniku przez PiS i zdobyciu być może konstytucyjnej większości nie przeszkodził właśnie chaos w edukacji, który być może odebrał trochę głosów tej formacji. Przynajmniej tak było w moim przypadku - być może oddałbym głos na PiS, ale sytuacja do której rząd doprowadził w oświacie przekonała mnie do oddania głosu na inne ugrupowanie."
3,62131,2019-10-23T16:12:20.717Z,11214,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,61867,anon861651597,anon1547754019,"Myślę, że zamknięcie gimnazjów to dobra decyzja, niestety reforma została nieudolnie przeprowadzona. To już nie pierwszy przypadek, gdzie Rząd intencje ma dobre, ale gorzej z wykonaniem. Okres przejściowy na pewno będzie trudny aczkolwiek wierzę, że w przeciągu roku lub dwóch sytuacja się unormuję. Mnie osobiście martwi bardziej brak realnej reformy edukacji. Wiele lektur z programu już dawno powinno zostać wymienionych na inne. Cały czas mamy brak zajęć uczących samodzielnego myślenia i kreatywności. Uważam też, że za mały nacisk kładziemy na wiedzę o społeczeństwie w którym żyjemy (czym jest demokracja, jak wygląda kapitalizm i jak się w nim odnaleźć itp ). Patrząc jednak na wyniki ostatnich wyborów, zdaje się, że reforma szkolnictwa jest władzy nie na rękę. :frowning:"
4,62562,2019-10-30T16:03:02.933Z,11214,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,61867,anon3593942245,anon1547754019,"Robi nam się na platformie coraz ciekawsza mikro społeczność nauczycieli! @anon1547754019, mamy też @anon413923905 i @anon1593595298 wśrod nas, które napisały bardzo ciekawe o ich doświadczeniach w profesji, pokazując różne aspekty szkoły w Polsce - niedoanon1547754019nia programu, presja na nauczycieli, celowe i systemowe psucie jakości nauczania publicznego, no i klasyczne straszne płace i kompletne niezrozumienie tego, ile za wysiłek i pracę nauczycieli powinniśmy płacić. Co myślisz o tych historiach? Rozpoznajesz w nich siebie? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edukacja-edukacja-edukacja i https://edgeryders.eu/t/stazysta"
1,62441,2019-10-29T08:47:02.078Z,11284,0,16,15,54,0,0,318.2,62441,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"<image here> 
 
(Image credit:Pinterest, user's name: Natalie Lyon)


EdgeRyders radionica, Beograd 23.11.2019. 
**Kulturni centar Baraka, Nušićeva 22, 13h**

u okviru **Wellbeing in Europe** festivala koji se odigrava širom Evrope.

Kako da međusobnom **saradnjom i ljudskom interakcijom** stvorimo budućnost kakvu želimo za nas same.

Namenjen svima koji žele da učestvuju i kreiraju bolje okruženje za naše opšte dobro.

**Ciljevi** su nam da zajedno otkrijemo:

* Kako saradnja donosi dobrobit i pojedincu i njegovom okruženju
* Kako voditi konstruktivnu diskusiju sa ljudima oko zajedničkih pitanja i ideja
* Kako kreirati autentična životna uverenja i njima obogatiti svoju okolinu
* &ldquo;Kako da postignem više?&rdquo; uz pomoć ljudi raznolikih interesovanja iz moje sredine
* Treba li čeanon3213561856i institucije da nešto reše ili postoji nešto što svako od nas može baš ove sekunde da učini

Mi smo EdgeRyders. Internacionalna zajednica koja podrzava pojedince koji postavljaju pitanja.

Bilo da se pitate da li su moralne vrednosti kojima smo učeni dobre po nas, kao sto je @anon1146465561 pisala ( https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-new-moral-code-of-21st-century/10030 ),

ili vas zanima kako možemo udruženim snagama da stvaramo lokalne biznise koji će nam otvoriti nove mogućnosti o čemu voli da priča @anon3346229079 ( https://edgeryders.eu/t/biti-ili-ne-biti-pitanje-je-sad/10723 )

**Program** radionice u Beogradu:

* Pričanje priča

Počinjemo sa upoznavanjem sa EdgeRyders zajednicom. Predstavljanjem organizatora i prenošenjem entuzijazma sa kojim je svaki od organizatora ušao u sve ovo. Priča o uspešnim saradnjama širom sveta.

* Naredna 2 sata učesnici iznose svoje priče za online riznicu u okviru projekta Wellbeing in Serbia
* Pauza za ručak
* Saradnja

Akcenat je na kolaboraciji i interakciji. Diskusija i iznošenje mišljenja na teme koje su nam bitne i koje se tiču tema radionice. Stvaranje kontaanon3213561856a i razmena energije sa ciljem da svi učesnici izađu odatle sa novim znanjem i malo drugačijim pogledom. Kako u dnevnu rutinu ubaciti sadržaje koji će nam olakšati upoznavanje sa sličnima, sa kojima bismo mogli da sarađujemo, unapredimo svoje veštine i olakšamo dolazak do cilja.


*Učešće je **besplatno** i obezbedićete sebi mesto u ovoj kreativnoj i eduanon3213561856ivnoj radionici jednostavnim registrovanjem na sledeći link - https://wellbeing.edgeryders.eu/srb

*Naša moć leži u našoj velikoj zajednici koju čine ljudi koji žele da promena krene od njih. Organizovali smo veoma uspešne radionice i festivale po svetu. Spojili smo entuzijazme ljudi i toliko puta dokazali šta je najdelotvornije kada znate šta biste želeli ali možda niste sigurni kako ili vam fali pomoći. Pridružite se našoj zajednici i našoj radionici. Ova radionica je organizacija svakog učesnika, svi ćemo podjednako doprineti.

**Tvoje prisustvo, mišljenje i ideje su važne.**

Za sada su učesnici:

![|105x105](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/yxod7SHuFIAdj1ZV2FWUHwi1p7GVt9IFbvczXO3Kuwq9lMLqMvw1j1LX27qVKdfWdXNsrHyVtdC-jAE_iXooKTuckqjMFuvBPrwoPKCeeHDdMzbOKe2qw0d_-svaggcvEUHQMbb2)anon2649858692mi Salantiu

Jedan od osnivača i menadžera zajednice EdgeRyders. Naučnik po vokaciji koju vodi kroz život znatiželja i pronalaženje mesta ispunjenih slobodom i različitošću. Domom zove 2 grada u Evropi, Bukurešt i Brisel. Rad u zajednici koja broji preko 5000 članova je motiviše i podržava njen otvoren um.

![|92x121](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/39_wsRrX8cgfucemhQaZhpoEW37dWfu5ZTA6wItjNQMfxLIWxgUiSfntjV9OfQzVfHm1T4F293h3sAChWVYzsGfXCAguxgGzJ-tUHYSPEChI-PQhdJVaj_PRfi8XZt1BlxWFVIBR)Jasen Lakić

Deo ekipe za &ldquo;Wellbeing in Europe&rdquo; projeanon3213561856. Preduzetnik, dizajner društvenih igara, večiti putnik, optimista, zaljubljen u život i sve što on donosi…čak i &ldquo;loše&rdquo; stvari. Uvek zainteresovan za sve što ima bilo kakve veze sa održivim razvojom, društveno odgovornim projektima i unapređanon598341349jem ljudi, pravljenjem zdravih proizvoda vrhunskog kvaliteta ili IGARA.

![|108x109](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/yITkHa6LkUAC1_9-VWWGDdZiV6GqI6fC0SI-uZvpQiiTpTRis9tEJK-wiTHpXsW_yLrM2fWLH89e1pQF-Fsl0XwUYr0UPpnM6srrRr6cQk7Owduxnme9ahNTJEkIROHdJJLPDtec)Tamara Vukčević

Lokalni konektor u EdgeRyders za Srbiju. Filolog po vokaciji ali istraživač u pravom životu. Uvek na nekom zanimljivom ličnom projektu, bilo da je učenje ili sprovođenje ideje u delo. Veoma strastvena kada je u pitanju edukacija ljudi u cilju približavanja srećnijem životu. Živi u Beogradu, u Srbiji. Trenutno predstavlja EdgeRyders srpskoj omladini i otvorenim ljudima.

![|145x97](https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fSv5bAHZkqpc0mUxhAtCFh0ts3i4m4sHGY7cGXOiFZGICmXU9kl4SG60zFMz35jW-5fs_cnm0ZSiQPkFMlDiIZNDsmv4ZVXB2o5EhPFGYa-4pF0gfKCkWNfLngxQWe0Bv43K6H3)Dušan Čavić i Dušan Šaponja

Novinari dobro poznati srpskoj javnosti po zanimljivim reportažama. Bave se temama koje su zanimljive ili zapostavljene. Često su im u fokusu oni koji žive na samoj ivici društva, izveštaji sa putovanja i različitih (često bizarnih) okupljanja i slavlja, a neretko ćete ih videti i kako se bore za očuvanje zelenih površina i sličnim akcijama. Sve što rade podrazumeva ljudsku interakciju.

![|106x106](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/Co0LjAU4-Czz_Jx85g6RbM8G3sF_GdAt_8JvZo_Wqrpa3F59RRotDqECHpMGjpHOo1xq3CI5jdfwbXjl96mniAagGMSOdQKFMayHC-UVAckBbC_2N2XZL7eq_QozOek5Dwq78tMS)Ivan Đurić

Borac za ljudska prava i borac za ujedinjenje regiona. Ukazuje na opasnosti nacionalizma i negativne retorike političkih stranaka. Kroz ceo njegov rad se provlači važnost ujedinjavanja, saradnje i mira. Inicijativa mladih za ljudska prava, čiji je član, je ove godine u Strazburu dobila nagradu &ldquo;Vaclav Havel&rdquo; koju dodeljuje Parlamentarna skupština Saveta Evrope.

![|114x114](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/y9AD3QI8iNTOOftkXOSMOWq6AhwsWyt9hE1ET2sS_zkoq5iSR5_ejgTza3nfRR9Xgu655_pV5-9-YImtl_rdXGNIlVb4JpJ3lCAqG-qyndDyDpIM5M1RsaCSZegYk1PJuILj7wSQ)Uroš Banješević

Osnivač veoma uspešne kompanije Mad Head Games. Ako želite da čujete priču o nečijem uspehu budite spremni da slušate prvo o neuspesima, kao i koliko su oni važni. Šta je to što dovodi do uspeha i kakvi sve unutrašnji procesi se dešavaju na tom putu-saznaćemo od Uroša."
2,62516,2019-10-30T08:20:29.209Z,11284,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,62441,anon2446385507,anon2614214130,
3,62517,2019-10-30T08:29:07.200Z,11284,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,62441,anon2446385507,anon2614214130,https://www.facebook.com/events/543388236427134/
1,62515,2019-10-30T08:07:15.799Z,11308,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,62515,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"W ostatnich dniach praca nad projektem składała się głównie z:

1. Potwierdzenia lokalizacji na wydarzenie w Polsce - dostaliśmy najbardziej hip, wegańskie i aktywistyczne miejsce w Warszawie No Problem za bardzo dobrą cenę i ich fantastyczny anon3213561856ering

2. Pomocy anon4110936133owi w przygotowaniu wydarzenia w Brnie - szczególnie przygotowaniu komunikacji, wydarzenia na fb, promocji na fb i opracowania strategii rekrutacji i egzekucji tego wydarzenia

3. Pomocy Kubie w przygotowaniu jego wydarzenia

4. Przygotowywaniu programów wszystkich wydarzeń i szukaniu odpowiednich osób do prowadzenia ciekawych spotkań. 

W tym tygodniu planujemy opublikować pełny rozkład jazdy dla Polski i Czech."
1,61289,2019-10-14T09:14:43.503Z,11133,0,19,18,8,0,0,88.8,61289,anon1409250587,anon1409250587,"Jest pewna sprawa, która do co jakiś czas do mnie powraca. Otóż przebywając między ludźmi nie da się nie zauważyć, ze generalnie jesteśmy (Polacy) mało uśmiechnięci.  Mało w nas radości. Widzi się raczej zaciśnięte usta, albo jakiś grymas. O agresji (szczególnie na drodze) nie mówiąc. Może fajnie byłoby się uczyć uśmiechać do siebie nawzajem i częstować dobrym słowem? To nic nie kosztuje, a otwiera wiele drzwi. Znane powiedzenie: Jeśli chcesz zmienić świat, zacznij od siebie. Nie trzeba być przesadnie serdecznym, dobrze robi pogodny wyraz twarzy. Wprowadzam to, pracuję nad tym. I to działa!"
2,61301,2019-10-14T10:25:49.773Z,11133,0,19,18,2,0,0,13.8,61289,anon3593942245,anon1409250587,"hej @anon1409250587 - witamy w edgeryders! 

Jak myślisz, skąd ta nieumiejętność Polaków do uśmiechania się? I do agresji?

Gdzie i w jaki sposob praktykujesz ""uśmiech"" i jakie drzwi udało Ci się nim otworzyć? Może zechcesz podzielić się anegdotami. Ja sama uśmiecham się bez przerwy do obcych, więc to rozumiem :)"
3,61904,2019-10-22T08:13:03.836Z,11133,0,16,15,1,0,0,38.2,61289,anon2614214130,anon1409250587,"@anon1409250587 I'm getting you! Completely! I am from Serbia and it is the same situation here. Here if you walk down the street and if you are smiling people look at you as if you are mental!
But if you seem angry-that's reasonable!
I am of those crazy and mental people! And I dont care!

JUST KEEP SMILING!! :)"
4,62090,2019-10-23T13:01:57.846Z,11133,0,14,13,1,0,0,37.8,61289,anon1274458134,anon1409250587,"Na tyle na ile zauważyłem, Polacy istotnie uśmiechają się mniej niż mieszkańcy Zachodu. Nie mówiąc już o Ukraińcach, Rosjanach, czy Serbach – oni mają zwykle marsowe miny. Powstaje jednak pytanie o szczerość tego zachodnioeuropejskiego uśmiechu. Czy nie jest on czasem nieco sztuczny i fałszywy? Z kolei przedstawiciele wspomnianych wyżej narodów słowiańskich mogą okazać się życzliwymi i ciepłymi ludźmi, tylko trzeba przełamać pierwsze lody. Pamiętajmy o trudnej przeszłości Europy Środkowo-Wschodniej. Przez wieki większość zamieszkujących ją ludów była poddana obcej okupacji (Imperium Osmańskie, carska Rosja, Austro-Węgry) lub opresyjnemu reżimowi (bolszewicka Rosja, reżimy komunistyczne). Kiedy rzeczywistość wokół jest zagmatwana lub wręcz niebezpieczna, nie możesz mieć oparcia w instytucjach państwa (bo jego aparat nastawiony jest tylko i wyłącznie na eksploatację Ciebie i Twojej ziemi), to wieczne uśmiechanie się może być odebrane co najmniej dziwnie. Jako objaw zaburzeń lub nieszczerości. Moja konstatacja jest taka, że my, wschodni Europejczycy przejawiamy życzliwość i uśmiech w sytuacjach bardziej intymnych, po bliższym poznaniu drugiego człowieka."
5,62095,2019-10-23T13:18:07.420Z,11133,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,61289,anon2446385507,anon1409250587,"Posłuchaj, w Rumunii może być tak samo. Ale jeśli tam mieszkasz, nie zauważasz tego, tak przywykłeś do życia.

Ale kiedy odwiedzili mnie moi zagraniczni przyjaciele, zawsze zwracali uwagę na 1) jak ludzie się nie uśmiechają 2), że noszą ciemne ubrania.

Oczywiście nie są to reguły, ale jest to zauważalne.

Przepraszam za błędy gramatyczne, używam tłumaczenia google, aby móc pisać po polsku."
6,62161,2019-10-24T06:52:38.445Z,11133,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,62095,anon1274458134,anon2446385507,"Sărut mâna anon2649858692mi! Nie ma problemu ze zrozumieniem Twojej wypowiedzi. Co do Rumunii, to rzeczywiście mam podobne odczucia, z drugiej jednak strony wydaje mi się, że ludzie w Twoim kraju są jakby spokojniejsi niż Słowianie. Takie po prostu odnoszę wrażenie, a przemierzyłem już praktycznie całą Rumunię, choć rzadko byłem w dużych anon1235093333stach. Dostrzegam zarówno wiele podobieństw między naszymi krajami, jak i jednak wiele różnic."
7,62323,2019-10-26T09:17:24.804Z,11133,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,61289,anon1409250587,anon1409250587,"Cześć. Z tymi drzwiami to raczej taka przenośnia. Myślę (zdarza się), że jeśli chcesz aby inni byli wobec ciebie w anon1235093333rę ok to trzeba wyprzedzic ich i wyzwolić w sobie takie uczucie miłości do ludzi, świata. Ą dzięki temu wzrośnie również poziom twojej energii. I jeśli z tym wyjdziesz do ludzi to można się nieraz zdziwić."
8,62509,2019-10-29T20:42:02.037Z,11133,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,61289,anon2693311786,anon1409250587,"Wydawałoby się, że to niepoważny temat, a tu proszę bardzo! Ja też od  zawsze to obsewruję ze smutkiem powagę rodaków. Rozumiem, że zabory, wojna i prl, ale zastanawiam się, czy my serio dziś nie mamy powodów do tego, żeby się trochę uśmiechnąć do innych? Sam czasem robie takie eksperymenty i uśmiecham się bardziej niż mam to w naturze i w zaanon1235093333n jestem obdażany pozytywną energią. To serio wraca."
1,62127,2019-10-23T15:39:35.431Z,11240,0,8,7,2,0,0,26.6,62127,anon3926695506,anon3926695506,"1. Čím se živíš a jak dlouho jsi na svoji současné pozici.

Žívím se jako umělecký šéf Hadivadla a divadelní režisér.

2. Jaká byla tvoje cesta na pozici uměleckého ředitele HaDivadla?

Krátce po škole mě oslovila tehdejší herečka HaDivadla Sára Venclovská s prosbou, že by chtěla udělat na únikovém schodišti HaDivadla takový malý projekt se svojí kamarádkou Lucii Končokovou. Přizvali jsme do toho ještě hrajícího inscpicienta Mirka Ukula Kumhalu a spolu s Dagmar Radovou napsali hru o generačním konfliktu Kreatury: K ohni se mnou pojď. Projekt se docela osvědčil a v další sezoně jsem byl osloven abych pro HaDivadlo adaptoval a režíroval Kafkův Zámek, kde jsem se už zpoznal prakticky s celým souborem tehdejšího HaDivadla. Spolupráce byla, dovilím si říct, pro obě strany radostná, načež jsem byl navržen jako kandidát po odchodu Mariána Amslera a na základně zpracované koncepce přijat do pozice uměleckého šéfa HaDivadla.

3. Jak vypadá dennodenní náplň práce uměleckého ředitele? Nebo pracuješ hlavně na vlně nějakých vizi, které předáváš dál a je na dalších lidech, jak s tou vizí naloží?

Důležité jde zde zmínit, že HaDivadlo je pořád docela podfinancované divadlo a po mém nástupu jsem si uvědomil, že mnohé potřebné pracovní pozice jsou úvazkově docela podhodnocené, nebo úplně chybí. Práce ovšem zůstává... a tak často jako umělecký šéf řeším i různé praktikálie, což sice v poslední době s tajemnicí Annou Stránskou docela redukujeme, ale pořád se nedá bavit o čistě tvůrčí práci. V HaDivadle jde o to mít nápad a taky si ho vydřít. Člověk zde vždy pozná detailně materiální konsekvence svých tvůrčích snů.

4. Jaká je podle tebe role experimentálního divadla v současné společnosti?

Domnívám se, že mnohé experimenty rozšiřující formální jazyk divadla jsou už věcí minulosti. Myslím si, že jak první tak i druhá divadelní avandgarda, čili meziválečné období i šedesátá a sedmdesátá léta toho hodně prozkoumali. České divadlo po sametové revoluci asi mělo co dohánět, ale myslím si, že i zde se už z hlediska formy zkusilo během devadesátých a nultých let skoro všechno- od site-specific přes práci s nahotou a tělem po různé multimediální přístupy. Takže mluvit čistě o formálním experimentu považuji za docela nezajímavé. V čem ale může být divadlo živé a přínosné je myšlenkový experiment. Schopnost ukazovat stávající společenské jevy v novém světle. Ono už jen když hrajete banální situaci, která se odehrává v každé druhé rodině jde o to, že divák nevidí nic nového, ale vidí to z nové perspektivy, má možnost rozvažovat kombinovat pohledy na skutečnost, hrát si se svojí vlastní ideologií. Domnívám se, že dnes jsme všichni posedlí úspěchem a proto se chováme jako značky sebe sama a uměle se snažíme držet si určitou konzistenci, rozpoznatelnost, chtěli bychom říct osobitost, ale ono to skutečná osobitost podle mě není, protože většina pseudoosobitostí je tvořena z anon3213561856alogu identit módních editorialů a jiných klišé popkultury. A divadlo umožňuje svým duchem plout mezi perspektivami, hledat svoje hlubší já v určité hře, v dialogu. Umožňuje větší fluidnost identity (aniž by člověk ztrácel morální základy úcty k druhému životu), která bude podle mě důležitou adaptační strategií v budoucím emancipačním zápasu vůči totalitní predikci našich osobností algoritmickými programy v rukách kapitálu. Zároveň mě vždy bavilo používat divadlo samotné jako metaforu. To že divadlo je ze své podstaty konstruováno- herci se naučili svoje role, byt není bytem ale souborem kulis, autenticky působící bordel na stolku postavy je pečlivě aranžovaný rekvizitářkou tak, aby se ta kompozice mohli opakovat a to vše v mých očích tvoří elektrizující napětí, kterým je možné zobrazovat samotnou realitu jako konstruovanou, jako experiment kde neexistuje slovo normální se kterým zachází čím dál tím víc extrémně pravicových politiků. A toto myšlenkové pole nenormálnosti je terénem pro skutečně experimentující divadlo. Alespoň v mých očích.

5. Jak je nejdůležitější sdělení k divákům teď jako HaDivadlo máte?

Já nevím jestli umění operuje v řádu „sdělení“. Sdělní bych asi nechal třeba sdělovacím prostředkům. Umění má za úkol podle mě spíš rozcitlivovat člověka, otvírat mu roviny vnímání, které má každodenním používáním funkčního a instrumentalizovaného myšlení zanesené. Je to sdílení specifické zkušenosti, která si myslím, že má pořád cosi společného s rituálem a magií. Jestli moderní svět odkouzloval svět, současné umění by ho mělo opět zakouzlovat. Ovšem to co teď konstatuji není pro mě pokoutným čarováním ve vzduchoprázdnu, chápu tyto slova také jako určité politické gestem, tuším zde předvoj dalo by se říct nerůstové společnosti, která bude potřebovat určitou nepravidelnost vymykající se logice pravidelného a měřitelného pokroku. Ale abych jenom neuhýbal, existuje cosi jako pole zkoumání. A tím nejdominantnějším pro nás je skutečnost klimatické krize a zcela bezprecedentní změny zkušenosti z bytí, která určitě promění i samotné umění tak jak možná ještě žádná jiná dějinná událost. Prioritní pro současné HaDivadlo je proto být vůči této změně vědomí a spoluvytvářet ji."
2,62165,2019-10-24T08:20:38.879Z,11240,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,62127,anon4241195410,anon3926695506,uvidime...treba klimaticka krize ten svet zase zakouzli
3,62367,2019-10-28T11:37:10.940Z,11240,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,62165,anon3353600255,anon4241195410,"Ahoj, díky za zajímavý rozhovor! Naprosto trefný je postřeh s algoritmizací prostředí, ve kterém se pohybujeme. Myslím, že docela záleží na tom, jak si to kdo pustí k tělu a to doslova:) - zatím jsme ještě nedospěli k čipu instalovaném přímo do blízkosti našeho mozku, smartphone se pořád ještě dá i zahodit. Ale i bez toho, člověk by si měl udržet schopnost nadhledu a uvědomění, že v současnosti, pokud beru v potaz on-line sféru, je ta reakce responzivních kulis dost hysterická - alespoň reklamní algoritmy se naprosto oanon3213561856ě zblázní, když člověk vystoupí ze svého obvyklého úzu, čímž se samy prozrazují. I proto souhlasím, že určitá fluidita a nepředpokládatelnost nás jako lidských bytostí nás vlastně můžou zachránit před jakýmikoliv totalitními aspiracemi i třeba z hlediska nabídky pečiva v on-line shopech:). Mně přijde, že v tomto ohledu k úplnému odkouzlení, abych si termín vypůjčil:), vlastně ani dojít nemůže (třeba modelování náhody, pokud se nepletu, je klasický matematický problém na hraně řešitelnosti), záleží ale přesně na tom, jak se k tomu my jako lidé postavíme a kam až tu takovou nějakou pseudoracionalitu pustíme."
4,62439,2019-10-29T08:17:55.780Z,11240,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,62127,anon4241195410,anon3926695506,"muj pohled je vice dramaticky teda.

ja si myslim, ze soucasne smerovani mainstreemove spolecnosti = skratkovite blahobyt skrze konzum - zavede tu samou spolecnost az na pokraj jejiho fungovani a uvrhne nas v silne turbulence na vsech frontach. (zejmena kvuli vycerpani zdroju a absence smyslu konani). 

nicmene na tomto pudorysu by mohl vyrazne zesilit proud, ktery akcentuje osvobozeni cloveka ze zajeti nabozenstvi kozumu a navrat k prirode, spiritualite, peci o svet a bytosti kolem nas.

ale pokud vse nakonec dopadne dobre (s jakou pravdepodobnosti, tot otazka), jednim z moznych vyusteni klimaticko-spolecensko-ekonomicke krize by mohla byt prave emancipovanejsi spolecnost, ktera je navic hodnotove bohatsi.

v tomto smyslu spatruji prilezitost k vyraznemu civilizacnimu prerodu prave v soucasne neutesene spolecenske situaci."
1,62150,2019-10-23T17:20:37.402Z,11247,0,9,8,4,0,0,66.8,62150,anon518169006,anon518169006,"![](https://ekonomickydenik.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2010282_568849_soud_opencard_ilustrace.jpg)

Asi je to příběh trochu odlišný, než ty, co tu čtu, ale podělím se stejně, když už mě k tomu anon714634410 jednou motivoval (díky!). Mám malou firmu, sice se rozjíždíme docela slibně, ale stále mám jen pár zaměstnanců. Sídlíme na okraji Prahy skoro až za městem a v rámci „expanze“ (hodně velké úvozovky tam jsou) jsme se začali rozhlížet po možnosti, jak se dostat víc do centra města, respektive pozornosti. Krédem naší společnosti je být fair play – na tom je založená naše firemní kultůra a myslím, že i naši zákazníci to oceňují a díky tomu jsou loajální, win-win, ale já jsem tak byl vychován, takže mi to přijde jako přirozenost… No a teď poslouchejte ten paradox, co jsem tu v Praze prožil – kamarád mě upozornil, že na Andělu pronajímá město celej barák někomu za korunu ročně. No nechtěli byste mít taky nájem korunu ročně?!? Tak jsem se začal pídit, „obtěžovat“ magistrát na pětce, ať mi podají vysvětlení. Když se dlouho nikdo neozýval, rozhodoval jsem se, že podám trestní oznámení, protože nebylo nikde dohledatelný, že by na takovou nájemní smlouvu probíhalo výběrko, což ale magistrát ze zákona vypsat musí! Zjistili jsme, že jenom v přízemí budovy je soukromý výdělek cca 15 milionů ročně, zbylé patra jsem ani neřešil. Ještě než jsem podal to trestní oznámení, ještě jednou jsem oficiální cestou vyzval magistrát, ať se k tomu vyjádří, na jakém základě pronajímá budovu s takovým potenciálem za KORUNU ROČNĚ!!! Do kopie jsem dal i Amnesty International, jednak aby oni věděli, co se tu děje, ale aby i magistrát viděl, že to nechci nechat být! A teď se podržte: ještě než se mi magistrát ozval, kontaktovala mě jakási soukromá osoba, že mi bude platit měsíční „výpalné“ za to, že budu mlčet! Ale já to primárně nedělal kvůli svému zisku, nebo abych tu budovu nutně získal, ale kvůli tomu, že takhle to prostě chodit nemá!!! Nabídku výpalného jsem odmítl a (byl) jsem rád, že mi nikdo vyhrožoval něčím horším. Magistrát po čase smlouvu byl nucený zrušit a vypsat nové výběrové řízení. To jsme vyhráli, nebo jsme ho vyhrát měli, ale obratem magistrát výběrko zrušil a vypsal nové, dvoukolové… Opět jsme se přihlásili, ale do druhého kola jsme nepostoupili, do dnešní doby nevím, díky jakým oficiálním nedostatkům jsme se nekvalifikovali. Když jsem šel osobně na příslušný odbor, bylo mi řečeno, že moje jméno znají a že bych stejně tento tendr nevyhrál, proč, to opět nevím. Šel jsem se podívat na ten dům a normálně v tom přízemí se nic nezměnilo, provozovna sice byla zavřená, ale nebyla vystěhovaná – což mě vede k tomu, že byl tendr vypsán na míru původnímu nájemci, se kterým bylo již od začátku počítáno jako s jasným vítězem. Zřejmě nějaký kamarád, nebo známý, nebo dobrý úplatek, nebo já nevím, jakou cestou se toto řeší, ale transparentní to rozhodně není! Jestli se tím dál zabývají aspoň z té Amnesty, to nevím, přestal jsem se o tuto kauzu zajímat, protože mě stála poměrně hodně sil jak fyzických, tak psychických a navíc jsem si uvědomil, že by mi opravdu mohlo začít být vyhrožováno nějakým útokem, protože se do věci moc rýpu, zajímám se o něco „do čeho mi nic není“ a podobně. Šel jsem se tedy zeptat vedle na Smíchovské nádraží, kde je spousta budov Českých drah kromě toho samotného nádraží a když jsem byl na osobním setkání s nějakým správcem, ten mě z očí do očí požádal, abych mu koupil motorku v řádu cca 200k, což jsem ihned striktně odmítnul a bylo mi řečeno, že drážní budovy k pronájmu nejsou, ačkoli do té doby se tvářil, že by se cesta možná našla. Nevím, jestli je to problém pouze Prahy, nebo Prahy 5, ale nakonec jsme se rozhodli, že zůstaneme na okraji města a vyřešíme potenciální růst podnikání jinak a stále přemýšlíme jak. Nechci si stěžovat, četl jsem tu i jiné příspěvky a všichni máme vidno svých problémů dost, nicméně toto je moje reálná zkušenost s korupcí, která brání mému poctivému vedení firmy a nepřinesla nic jiného, než spoustu komplikací. Říkám si, že kdybych na jejich hru přistoupil, třeba že bych si vzal to „držhubné“, zapojím se do tohoto začarovaného kruhu taky a když i já, kdo se bude snažit o to, aby to tu začalo fungovat na nějakých normálních principech?! Normální je pro mě fair play! Sice známe z médií horší případy, které projdou bez sankce (premiér a jim podobní), pro mě to bylo opravdu odstrašující!!! Modlím se a držím palce vám mladým, abyste se neohnuli a bojovali za to, aby se naše česká společnost mohla a začala posouvat z bolševických principů k principům spravedlnosti, jinak nám tu zbyde hrstka superboháčů a ostatní budou chodit dřít do práce a sami nebudou mít nic… Například vlastní bydlení, o kterém jsem tu četl zajímavý a bohužel pravdivý příspěvek. Nedejme se!"
2,62173,2019-10-24T10:39:55.480Z,11247,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,62150,anon4062071924,anon518169006,"Dobrý den, Jaroslave, díky moc za sdílení Vašeho příběhu, který jste mi před časem vyprávěl, je to opravdu otřesné. Dostal jste nějaké vyjádření od Amnesty Int. ohledně té podvodné smlouvy i celého tendru? A co se týká jednání managera z ČD, podal jste na něj stížnost někam (ČD, Amnesty, policie...)? Ještě jednou díky moc a držíme Vám palce k fair play podnikání, z Vašeho životního postoje by si měli brát příklad nejen další podnianon3213561856elé, ale i všichni ostatní (státní správu nevyjímaje!!!!)."
3,62369,2019-10-28T11:52:43.774Z,11247,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,62173,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Díky moc za příspěvek, který otevřeně otevírá to, o čem my, kteří v Praze nepodnikáme vlastně jenom tušíme. To si tak člověk myslí, že ""devadesátky"" i ""nultý léta"" už jsou dávno za náma a ""divokej východ"" se nekoná, ale těžce se při tom pletu:/. Evidentně problém není jenom naprosto bezstrestná činnost lidí typu Pavla Béma, kteří s partou kamarádů oholí město možná i o desítky miliard (což se vlastně pokryje z daní, takže to vlastně nikoho přímo nebolí), ale tyhlety zážitky na osobní rovině jsou vysloveně hnusné. Vzpomínám si, když si ode mě poprvé někdo řekl o úplatek, což byl průvodčí ve vlaku při cestě z vodáckého výletu na Slovensko (Kuba ví:), který prostě využil situace a toho, že jsme neměli dost peněz na lístek, takže jsme jeli ""zadarmo"" potom, co jsme mu dali všechno, co jsme měli. Trvalo mu asi pět minut, než nám vysvětlil, že chce abychom ho uplatili, protože mně byl celý ten koncept v 19 prostě úplně cizí:) To je jenom veselá historka ve srovnání s tím, když jdete proti městu/městské části a dáváte všanc svoji firmu, která zaměstnává několik lidí. Je skvělé slyšet, že Vy jste se nedal! O Praze 5 za pana starosty anon4110936133číka především jsem slyšel svoje (jsem studijně i pracovně spjat s Jinonicemi), takže tuším, že podhoubí asi stále přetrvává - mohl bych se zeptat, kdy přibližně jste tohle zažil a jestli nevíte, zda se po posledních komunálních volbách prostředí nezlepšilo? Přece jenom ty [výsledky vypadaly, že boj s korupcí byl tím nejdůležitějším tématem](https://www.idnes.cz/volby/komunalni?t=vysledky-obec&o=1&o2=CZ0100&o3=500143&obec=praha-5)."
1,61742,2019-10-20T09:48:18.571Z,11192,0,8,7,9,0,0,91.6,61742,anon879431432,anon879431432,"https://img.blesk.cz/img/1/full/2617838_praha-8-liben-historie-v0.jpg?v=0

Po nevydařené kariérní štaci v Liberci ve mně vyzrál další nápad - nevydělal jsem v Liberci, vydělám v Praze. Je tam blaze, sice draze, ze smogu na plicích saze, ale zase nespočet možností, známých a nekonečných druhů kulturní zábavy a to já můžu. No jo, ale kde budu bydlet? Šel jsem na to moc hrrr a narychlo jsem nic nenašel a tak jsem během dvou týdenního hledání bydlel v autě nebo skvotil u mých přátel, kteří jsou nejvíc boží. Mam jich v Praze tolik, že bych vlastně ani bydlet nemusel a na každý den v měsíci bych mohl být u někoho jiného. Asi by to bylo dobrodružné, ale pokračoval jsem v hledání volného pokoje formou spolubydlení. K tomu nejlépe posloužil starý dobrý Facebook. Přidal jsem se asi do 5 skupin na spolubydlení a hledal. První den jsem reagoval na pár inzerátů a hned druhý byl ten vyvolený (nebo vyholený? Uvidíte sami). Píši sms, že mám zájem a přidávám důvody, proč jsem ten pravý adept, vychvaluji se, jak by to nedal ani neboštík Zdeněk Srstka v pořadu Chcete mě? Odezva byla rychlá „WhatsApp"". Tak napíšu tam, jestli je to stále aktuální. Odpověď byla nečekaná „nepůjdeme zítra ve dvou vojet holku"" ? Jsem zlehka zaskočen a ptám se, jestli je byt stále volný. V tom mi přistála v konverzaci fotka, jak tam buší do neznáme dívky. Naposledy zkouším pokládat otázky ohledně bytu, ale odpovědi se opět nedočkám a na moji otázku odpovídá další otázkou „nepůjdeme zítra na jednu swanon3589994963rs akci ? U toho se poznáme"", v tomto okamžiku dostávám záchvat smíchu a ukazuji konverzaci kamarádovi, který sedí vedle mě u piva. „Dělej! Hraj jeho hru, bude sranda"". Popravdě představa, jak se poznáváme u hromadných orgií mě docela bavila, ale asi by to nebylo to pravé ořechové. Odpovídám „no jasně, bude sranda“. V tom mi vzduchem letí další fotky, na kterých má opět koitus s obdařenou dívkou v polohách střemhlav hlavou dolu, na Jean-Claude van Damma a další. Pak nesměle žádá, abych mu také něco poslal a když jsem se z toho vykroutil se slovy, že mám nový mobil a zrovna v něm žádné takové nemám, pohotově nachází řešení „tak vyfoť jen sebe"". V tu chvíli konverzaci ukončuji a nadržený, bisexuální Casanova bude muset hledat parťáka na sexuální hrátky někde jinde. Druhá odezva už proběhla v pořádku, ale slečna měla dvě fretky, které byly volně puštěné po bytě a představa, jak přijdu vyparáděnej večer z baru, začnu rabovat lednici a v tom se mi zakousne do achilovky krvelačná fretka, se mi dvakrát nezamlouvala a zdvořile odmítám. Bydlení jsem na třetí pokus našel, mám dva sympatické spolubydlící Tomáše s Luckou a zatím žádné orgie neproběhly. Možná škoda, možná dobře. Máte také zajímavou zkušenost s hledáním spolubydlení ? Podělte se do komentáře."
2,61764,2019-10-21T05:13:28.514Z,11192,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,61742,anon3353600255,anon879431432,"Ahoj, díky moc za sdílení příběhu a vítej u nás na fóru! Je to vlastně docela tragikomickej příběh, i když naštěstí s dobrým koncem:) Inzerční weby byly odjakživa plný zajímavejch lidí, to se koukám nezměnilo ani s Facebookem. V Praze ani v Čechách jsem nikdy spolubydlení nehledal, ale párkrát v zahraničí a vždycky se nakonec ukázalo, že nejlepší cesta bylo přesně jak řikáš, zeptat se kamarádů, jestli někoho neznaj. Když to ale nejde, pak zbývaj jenom ""seznamky"". Je trochu bokem, ale když jsem hledal bydlení v Regensburgu, tak jsem odpovídal asi na 50 inzerátů a dostal v podstatě dvě odpovědi, tu první jenom na polovinu doby, co jsme potřeboval, ale ta druhá nabídka byla až moc dobrá. Sice byla registrovaná na serveru co dával nějaký garancemi, ale komunikace v google translate angličtině s podivným příběhem byla zakončená žádostí o odeslání pěněz s tím na ještě podivnější bankovní účet, že mi potom přijdou klíče poštou. To mi bylo už moc divný, tak jsem zase googlil a našel na jednom čínském studentském fóru diskuzi k tomu samému inzerátu na byt s těmi samými fotografiemi, akorát ve Wolfsburgu:))) (přeloženo díky google translate). Konverzaci jsem ukončil s tím, že je to podvod, načež jsem dostal ještě poměrně drzou odpověď, že nejsem čestný člověk, což mě fakt pobavilo. Poprosil jsme nakonec kamaráda-rodilýho mluvčího, jestli by mi to neobtelefonoval a do dvou dnů jsem bydlení zajištěný měl.Ale zpátky k ČR a Praze, řešil jste taky někdy někdo bydlení přes veřejná fóra, nebo existujou lepší varianty?"
3,62111,2019-10-23T14:42:08.180Z,11192,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,61742,anon2446385507,anon879431432,"Ahoj @anon

Také bydlím spolu s ostatními v Bruselu ([v The Reef](https://edgeryders.eu/t/spawning-the-reef-brussels-re-inventing-communal-working-and-living-again/6239)). Baví mě to nejen proto, že to snižuje životní náklady, ale také proto, že jde o společné bydlení pro dospělé, což znamená, že to není jako v studentských dobách, kde každý prostě žije „životem“. Je mi 32, takže jsem stará :-)
Co ty? Nacházíte si práci a stabilitu ve svém životě?

P.S. Omlouváme se za gramatické chyby, používám překladač google, abych mohl psát česky!"
1,61316,2019-10-14T12:41:38.201Z,11135,0,12,11,6,0,0,32.4,61316,anon2457346758,anon2457346758,"Za nami wybory. Co prawda wciąż czekamy na ostateczne wyniki, wiemy już jednak jak mniej więcej będzie wyglądać rozkład sił w parlamencie. Wiemy też czego spodziewać się po każdej z partii. Jedyne czego nie wiemy, to co przyniesie przyszłość. Widmo kryzysu gospodarczego i klimatycznego, związane z nimi masowe migracje, słabość Unii Europejskiej, zagrożenie konfliktami zbrojnymi - z tym wszystkim nasz kraj i cały świat będzie się musiał zmierzyć.
Oddając swój głos w ostatnich wyborach, nie mogłem pozbyć się jednej myśli - czy w obliczu wyzwań jakie stoją przed naszym państwem będziemy potrafili zapomnieć o podziałach i zjednoczyć siły, zapominając o różnicach światopoglądowych.
Mam wrażenie, że doszliśmy do punktu, w którym jaki społeczeństwo musimy powiedzieć sobie jasno: dość eskalowania emocji, zarzucania drugiej stronie samych złych intencji, posługiwania się mową nienawiści. Dość nastawiania jednych przeciwko drugim w telewizji, prasie i internecie. Dość przedstawiania swoich prawd, które usypiają społeczeństwo a politykom z obu stron pozwalają unikać odpowiedzialności za przeszłe działania lub ułatwić realizację swojej wizji politycznej.
Jako naród marzymy o tym, by się bogacić i doścignąć w rozwoju kraje zachodniej Europy. Wciąż jesteśmy na dorobku, dlatego chcemy jeździć lepszym autem, zarabiać więcej, wysyłać nasze dzieci do najlepszych szkół. Pracujemy więcej i więcej, żeby zapewnić sobie lepszą przyszłość. Zadajmy sobie jednak pytanie dokąd w tym pędzie zmierzamy. Czy ciągły rozwój da nam szczęście? Czy zapewni nam i naszym dzieciom bezpieczną przyszłość? Czy nie płacimy za to zbyt dużej ceny - zdrowiem naszych dzieci, chronicznym brakiem czasu, ciągłą rywalizacją o zasoby, których mamy coraz mniej.
Będąc ostatnio w centrum Warszawy zdałem sobie sprawę jak bardzo się od siebie oddaliliśmy. Każdą wolną przestrzeń oddajemy samochodom, odgradzamy się od siebie szlabanami, mijamy się wpatrzeni w smartfony. Wykorzystujemy przyrodę do granic możliwości i nie słuchamy młodego pokolenia, które chce nas zawrócić ze złej drogi. Karmimy się informacyjną papką, która napełnia nas lękiem, otaczamy się ogłupiającymi reklamami, by potem odreagowywać oddając się konsumpcji.
Czasem gdzieś w środku odzywa się w nas głos, że może podążamy niewłaściwą stronę. Część z nas ma potrzebę by dobitnie o tym przypomnieć - wychodzimy na ulice, głośno doanon1547754019jąc się zanon1235093333ny. Chcemy nowych autorytetów, nowych wartości. Ale z drugiej strony odzywa się głos tych, którzy w zanon1235093333nie widzą zagrożenie, oni sprowadzają nas na ziemię, spowalniają, obawiając się chaosu i utraty kontroli.
Przyszłość jest niepewna, to wiemy, ale ona jest tylko jedna, wspólna. Jest w rękach wszystkich nas, czy tego chcemy czy nie. Mamy do wyboru utknąć w niekończących się sporach, zamykając oczy na prawdziwe problemy naszego świata albo z niepewnością podać sobie ręce i wreszcie porozmawiać o tym co naprawdę ważne.

Rafał, 36 lat, psycholog"
2,61669,2019-10-18T12:14:50.681Z,11135,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,61316,anon3593942245,anon2457346758,"Cześć, @anon2457346758 - witam w Edgeryders i w naszej rozmowie o Polsce. 

Ciekawa jestem, jak Ty czujesz się z ostatecznymi wynikami wyborów i jak myślisz, co nas czeka dalej?

Ktoś kiedyś na platformie powiedział, dość prowokacyjnie, że PiS się zliberalizuje i pochłonie głosy z centrum w ten sposób, czemu dobitnie zaprzeczyli ostatnim projektem karania więzieniem za edukację seksualną. Wygląda więc raczej na to, że podążymy Orbanowską scieżką - czeka nas rosnący tradycjonalizm, konserwatyzm, i prawdopdobnie kolejne paraliżujące demokrację decyzje. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/pis-robi-to-co-obiecal/10408

Niestety, nie potrafię zrozumieć, dlaczego lanie betonu i wycinanie drzew to wciąż synonim rozwoju i dobrobytu dla wielu rządzących w Polsce. 

Zastanawiam się też sama, co może nas zbliżyć do siebie - czy myślisz, że jest jakiś zestaw wartości, który moglibyśmy odkryć na nowo i na tej bazie budować wizję świata, który jest pluralistyczny i otwarty? Nie musi to być żadna lewacka utopia, raczej zdrowy system pozwalający nam wszystkim na bycie sobą i nieszkodzenie drugiemu. Katolizycm ewidentnie się w tym nie sprawdza, choć przecież głosi dokładnie to. 

No właśnie, jak myślisz, co dalej?"
3,61747,2019-10-20T13:32:43.120Z,11135,0,8,7,2,0,0,26.6,61669,anon2457346758,anon3593942245,"Cześć, @anon

Pytasz jak czuję się z wynikami ostatnich wyborów. Przede wszystkim spodziewałem się zwycięstwa Prawa i Sprawiedliwości. Ale spodziewałem się również wejścia Lewicy do Sejmu z dobrym wynikiem. Chociaż nie uważam siebie za liberała i z kilkoma postulatami partii lewicowych się nie zgadzam, to głosowałem na przedstawiciela Lewicy właśnie. Jestem zdania, że PiS musi mieć skuteczną przeciwwagę w Sejmie, a spora część społeczeństwa prawo do swojej reprezentacji w parlamencie. Wydaje mi się ulica nie jest miejscem do rozwiązywania sporów politycznych a parlament właśnie. 

Co czeka nas dalej? Myślę, że przez jakiś czas wiele się nie zmieni. Ale nic nie jest dane raz na zawsze. Prezes PiS-u sam stwierdził, że będzie to dla nich to trudna kadencja. Ja również gdzieś słyszałem, że jeśli poczują się niepewnie, to będą próbować łagodzić język. Kilka razy już wycofywali się po protestach z kontrowersyjnych projektów lub je poprawiali, może z projektem ustawy o którym wspominasz będzie podobnie. 

Ja również nie potrafię zrozumieć podejścia rządzących do     pewnych kwestii. Nie mogę im odmówić nieustępliwości i skuteczności w porządkowaniu bieżących spraw, ale moim zdaniem wycinanie drzew, pozostawanie przy węglu to podejście na krótką metę. 

Jeśli anon1235093333łbym wybrać jakiś zestaw wartości to nie szukałbym daleko. Co sądzisz, żeby zacząć od Dekalogu?  Katolicyzm faktycznie się nie sprawdza, ale mógłby - gdyby Kościół słuchał swojego papieża. Dziwi mnie, że dla wielu Polaków otwartość i szacunek dla odmienności stoją w sprzeczności z szacunkiem dla małżeństwa i rodziny. Szacunek dla powstającego życia stoi w sprzeczności z szacunkiem dla kobiety. Przyjęcia uchodźcy nie da się pogodzić z utratą poczucia bezpieczeństwa.

Tak na koniec sobie myślę, że zbliżyć nas mógłby wspólny  cel, wspólne działanie, dzięki któremu będzie szansa się bliżej poznać, w którym każdy jest potrzebny i niezbędny."
4,62136,2019-10-23T16:29:09.128Z,11135,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,61316,anon861651597,anon2457346758,"Hej, tak pół żartem, pół serio na początek: dziś już nie jesteśmy podzieleni, nie ma Polski A i B, dziś jest tylko Polska B, wystarczyło 500zł żebyśmy się zjednoczyli...
Jeśli koniunktura się nie zmieni przez najbliższe 4 lata, to następne wybory pis wygra z jeszcze większą przewagą. Dlaczego? Abstrahując od średniowiecznych poglądów JK, to trzeba przyznać, że jest genialnym politykiem. Idealnie wykorzystał sprzyjającą koniunkturę, żeby kupić głosy wyborców, a jeśli gospodarka dzięki kontynuacji dobrej passy utrzyma ten 'socjal' na wysokim poziomie, ludzie bez wachania ponownie oddadzą na nich głos. Drugą sprawą, stawiającą kropkę nad i jest fakt, że dzisiejsza opozycja jest kompletnie nieudolna. Ludzie pamiętają 8 lat PO i nie chcą ich z powrotem. Te same twarze wzbudzają tylko niechęć, a ich opozycja absolutna nie poprawia im sondaży. Ten populizm nie ma szans z 500+. Oczywistym było, że jedyną szansą na odsunięcie PIS od władzy było wystawienie jednej listy (potwierdziły to wyniki). Niestety dzisiaj nawet opozycja nie potrafi się dogadać, żeby wspólnie sięgnąć po władzę... Nie sądzę więc, żeby mowa nienawiści ustała, wręcz przeciwnie, uważam, że będzie się pogłębiać, tak jak pogłębiać się będzie podział społeczeństwa."
1,61935,2019-10-22T10:09:00.034Z,11219,0,11,10,10,0,0,82.2,61935,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"Cao, svima koji ste vec ovde na EdgeRyders platformi. Ja sam Tamara i lokalni sam konektor za Srbiju.
Htela bih sve da vas pozdravim i kratko obavestim sta se trenutno desava sa projektom Wellbeing in Europe, konkretnije sa Wellbeing in Serbia ili Blagostanje u Srbiji (mada taj prevod i dalje nesto skripi, i zvuci malo....cudno :) )
Mozda ima i jos clanova iz Srbije ali sam prikupila bar ove koji su bili aktivni kroz dosadasnje postove i teme.
Vec 3 nedelje se vredno prevode stranice na srpski i prilagodjava platforma za laksu upotrebu, pogotovo za ljude koji ne govore engleski.
Sajt na srpskom => https://wellbeing.edgeryders.eu/srb
Zamolila bih vas da nam pomognete da prosirimo vest o dolaski EdgeRyders organizacije. Potrebno nam je vise ljudi kao sto ste vi koji su spremni da se zapitaju i , jos bitnije, da nesto predloze i urade kako bi se osecala nekakva promena. Uputite ljude na sajt. Posebno su nam potrebni ljudi iz manjih gradova koji zele da ostanu u svojim gradovima i spremni su da doprinesu da se stvore bolji uslovi za zivot i rad u istima.
Organizujemo i 2 radionice u novembru. Jednu u Beceju i jednu u Beogradu.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/radionica-u-beceju-kreativnost-i-preduzetnistvo-ulaganje-u-mlade-za-bolju-buducnost-srbije/11170

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edgeryders-radionica-beograd/11169

Pogledajte o cemu se radi. Cilj je da se upoznamo, konektujemo i da tog dana svi nesto naucimo i ponesemo sa sobom.
Nadam se da se vidimo tamo. Registrujte se da biste obezbedili sebi ulaznice. Ako znate nekog ko bi isto voleo da dodje neka se registruje na sajtu. Ucesce je besplatno. Imacemo zanimljive i uspesne govornike koji ce izneti svoje price a kasnije cemo svi zajedno uci u diskusiju.

Napisite i vi svoju prcu. Da li se nesto promenilo u vama skoro? O cemu trenutno razmisljate? 
Posebno su mi zanimljive price @anon1146465561 i @anon863112008 koje su pricale o moralnom kodeksu. Smatram da su to vrlo vazne teme za mlade ljude koji imaju jasnu viziju zivota koji zele i koji se pitaju sta je potrebno za dolazak do tog zivota iz vizije. Bilo bi savrseno i kada bi i Jelena i Vladica dale konkretne primere kako su im licni moralni kodeksi sluzili. Mislim da bi mnogi mladi voleli to da cuju i da bi im to pomoglo.

Svakako zelim da vam zahvalim sto ste ovde, sto mislite i zelite da delite ono sto ste naucili.
Hvala vam sto pokazujete da postoji klica za bolji zivot.

Veliki pozdrav svima! 
Tamara
@anon2678212969 @anon863112008 @anon1624663980 @anon870210313 @anon919507725 @anon183681331 @anon1775928863 @anon1146465561 @anon4101051500 @anon"
1,58275,2019-08-22T13:06:09.853Z,10596,1,15,14,5,0,0,63.0,58275,anon3892784764,anon3892784764,"<image here> 
 

**Jakie mam podejście do policji?**

Niektórzy moi towarzysze, moje towarzyszki, siedzą w więzieniach. Policja staje zawsze po stronie władzy, a rzadko spełnia rolę strażników. Wiem też, co się dzieje za granicą, co się dzieje w Stanach, co policja robi z czarnoskórymi. Moje zaufanie do tej instytucji jest zerowe i nigdy nie będzie dobre. Z resztą anarchiści uważają, że społeczeństwo, która ma silne więzi nie potrzebuje Policji. 

**Słyszeliście o pinkwashing?** 

Nierzadko publiczne instytucje, które są opresyjne, wycierają sobie mordy czymś co ociepli ich wizerunek, np. tematem LGBT, uciekając od spraw dla tych organizacji  trudnych. Tak było w przypadku śmierci Igora Stachowiaka, kiedy to w mediach pokazywano tańczącego policjanta na paradzie równości w Kanadzie. Tak samo działają wielkie korporacje - jednych wyzyskując, a wspierając inne mniejszości dla poprawy swojego wizerunku. Dlatego anarchiści organizują własne marsze, odcinając się od tego, co nazywamy liberalizmem. 

Wracając do policji, to owszem, gdyby jej nie było to w Białymstoku, by nas zabili. Ale to dlatego, że tak w tej chwili wygląda nasze społeczeństwo. Generalnie edukujemy ludzi, że lepiej liczyć na siebie, na wspólnotę, niż oddać się w łaskę/niełaskę policji. Policja robi tyle, ile musi. Jak w Białymstoku, gdzie kilkanaście metrów od miejsca, gdzie kończył się marsz, zaczynały się łapanki. To nie było w ich interesie. Zrobili swoje. A kibice Jagielloni urządzali sobie pogaduszki z policjantami. Widziałem z jaką nienawiścią patrzyli na nas policjanci. Spory procent policjantów np. w Stanach, to przemocowcy domowi. W Polsce śanon1235093333ło można powiedzieć, że co drugi policjant ma sympatie nacjonalistyczne.  Przecież to koledzy ze stadionów. 

**Jak stworzyć społeczeństwo, w którym Policja nie będzie potrzebna?** 

Widziałem na oczy takie miejsca. Miejsca gdzie istnieje straż sąsiedzka, obywatelska. Jesteśmy za tym, żeby państwa było jak najmniej, a najlepiej, żeby go w ogóle nie było. Chodzi nam o to, żeby ludzie odpowiadali za siebie i pilnowali się nawzajem, a nie oddawali to w ręce państwa. Żebyśmy tworzyli społeczności, które nie czekają na władze, która powie im jak żyć. Za każdym razem kiedy ktoś dostaje władzę, staje się skorumpowany. 

**Skąd u mnie taka postawa?**

To wynik rozczarowania. Obiecywano nam po skończeniu studiów złote góry. Że jeśli tylko się naprawdę przyłożymy, że jak będziemy wstawać bardzo wcześnie rano, to wszystko będzie świetnie. To kłamstwo. Pracownik korporacji od robotnika nie różni się niczym. Nie ma czegoś takiego jak klasa średnia. To jakiś mit mający odwrócić uwagę od tego, że jeden zarabia 100 tysięcy, a drugi, nawet jeśli jakimś cudem zarobi 10 tysięcy, to on dalej jest tylko wyrobnikiem. Te nierówności społeczne są straszne. Poza tym mamy dwie fale nacjonalizmów w Polsce. Pierwsza lat 90 i teraz. Ja nie wierzę w rozwiązania systemowe. Nie ma innej metody na pokonanie nacjonalizmów jak eliminacja ich z przestrzeni publicznej, łącznie z użyciem siły fizycznej. Nie ma innej metody. Żadna ustawa tego nie załatwi. Oficjalnie organizacje neonazistowskie są zakazane w Polsce. Po pierwsze trzeba usunąć całkowicie ich przekaz. To liberałowie dopuścili, że faszyści byli mile widziani, np. w telewizji śniadaniowej. To właśnie liberałowie zrobili z tego ciekawostkę do poczytania w weekendowym wydaniu. Oni wpuścili ich z powrotem. To już nie jest faszyzm lat 90, dziś to są panowie w garniturkach., którzy ładnie mówią. 

Politycy odegrali także swoją rolę tutaj na fali nienawiści do uchodźców. Ta nienawiść wyszła na ulice i weszła do mainstreamu i teraz typowy nastolatek jest nacjonalistą o patriotą. Dlatego trzeba usuwać ich z debaty publicznej. Nie wolno ich z nimi rozmawiać. Żadnej rozmowy! Usuwać wszystko co się z nimi kojarzy. A po trzecie przeganiać ich z ulic. To jest wojna. Oni chcą nas pozabijać i otwarcie o tym mówią, więc po co ich zapraszać i pytać co oni o tym sądzą. Jak sobie tutaj można w ogóle wyobrazić kompromis? Że będziemy zabijać gejów tylko we wtorki? Obecnie nam liberalizm kojarzy się z demokratycznym państwem, zachodnim, powiązanym z Unią Europejską o kapitalistycznym ustroju gospodarczym. Dla nas to jest tak samo złe jak wszystko inne, może tylko bardziej kolorowe. Te sojusze są zawierane z konieczności. Anarchizm kiedyś był bardziej popularny niż dziś i liczono się z tym ruchem w Polsce. Ale rozczarowanie partiami lewackimi rośnie, a to dla nas tylko lepiej. 

Nie wyssałem tego z mlekiem matki. Moi rodzice byli zadowoleni ze zanon1235093333n, które zachodzą w Polsce. Ale ja mam inaczej. Fajnie jest coś robić i widzieć efekty swojej pracy. Np. taka akcja, że wydajemy posiłki bezdomnym. To działa. Jest cała masa działań: prowadzenie bibliotek, kursów dla dzieci, zbiórki, po blokowanie korporacji na targach i pałowanie faszystów. Dużo tego. U mnie zaczęło się w sumie od muzyki. Na osiedlu byli albo naziole, albo punkowcy i dla mnie jakoś naturalnie wyszło, że nie przepadałem za nazistami i tak już zostało. Skończyłem studia stosunki międzynarodowe. Nieźle sobie radzę. Nie mam najgorzej. Pracuję w korpo.

Najbardziej frustruje mnie obecnie to, co Polakom wtłacza się do głów, i jak oni to bezrefleksyjnie łykają. Wszystkie te pierdoły pod tytułem „Szwecji już nie ma”, „Imigrant zjadł dziecko”, „Ideologia gender” itd. Te prymitywne treści mocno do ludzi trafiają, a później ciężko się z tym walczy.  Czyli pranie mózgów ludzi. 

Marzy mi się, żeby odwróciła się ta prawacka tendencja, która trwa już jakiś czas. Chciałbym, żeby zrobiło się normalniej. Nie dyskwalifikuje nacjonalistów jako ludzi, dajmy im szanse popracować z bezdomnymi, z uchodźcami, niech przejrzą na oczy. Może wtedy coś zrozumieją. Taki przeciętny tzw. nacjonalista mało co rozumie. Za tym stoją mafie narkotykowe. A dla nich nie widzę w ogóle miejsca w żadnym społeczeństwie. 

Ale jest coraz lepiej, nawet tych cholernych marszów jest coraz więcej. Zmienia się powoli. 

Lewy Sierpowy, 34"
2,59190,2019-09-12T08:23:59.418Z,10596,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,58275,anon3593942245,anon3892784764,"Czesc, @anon3892784764 - dzieki za podzielenie się swoimi przemyśleniami i doświadczeniem, a przede wszystkim nadzieją. Sporo czasu spędziłam w kręgach punkowych - mieszkając w Lublinie, przez lata organizowałam wydarzenia w Tekturze, naszym legendarnym skłocie :) Namówiłam nawet do rozmowy jednego z moich kolegów z tamtej ekipy, @anon

Co mnie intryguje, to to, że wbrew pozorom, anarchiści są niesamowitymi optymistami - może jest to tendencja wszystkich aktywistów? Ta obserwacja ma dwa elementy - z jednej strony wiara w to, że społeczeństwa będą kiedyś na tyle mądre, że obędą się bez struktur władzy i kontroli, czego ja nigdy nie potrafiłam do końca uznać za możliwy scenariusz. Z drugiej to, że pomimo tego, jak rzeczywistość zmusza was do kompromisów, nieustannie w jakiś sposób się z nią konfrontujecie. Bezpośrednie akcje mają magiczny efekt - zmieniają rzeczywistość, nawet jeśli pozornie tylko na chwilę. Mają szansę zwrócić uwagę innych na systemowość problemów, z jakimi się mierzymy. I na to, że nasza uwaga, niechęć do pomocy i pogarda są skierowane w złą stronę. 

Jak się czujesz jako pracownik korporacji? Czy była to dla Ciebie bardzo trudna decyzja?"
3,60291,2019-10-01T13:54:51.835Z,10596,1,7,6,1,1,0,26.4,58275,anon1274458134,anon3892784764,"[quote=""anon3892784764, post:1, topic:10596""]
Nie ma innej metody na pokonanie nacjonalizmów jak eliminacja ich z przestrzeni publicznej, łącznie z użyciem siły fizycznej
[/quote]

Z zaciekawieniem i trochę przerażeniem przeczytałem Twój tekst. Czyli rozumiem, że w imię walki o lepszy świat dopuszczasz stosowanie przemocy? Jak zatem przekonacie przeciętnego człowieka o tym, że idea anarchizmu jest lepsza od zwalczanego przez Was faszyzmu? I przede wszystkim kto będzie decydował o tym kto jest ""faszystą""? Takie postrzeganie spraw budzi mój sprzeciw ponieważ mam wrażenie, że dla wielu przedstawicieli tzw. lewej strony życia publicznego ""faszystowskie"" jest wszystko to co związane jest z tradycją narodową, przywiązaniem do religii i patriotyzmem. Zresztą pięknym przykładem takiego postrzegania spraw było zaatakowanie przez niemieckich ""antyfaszystów""  rekonstruktorów historycznych (bodaj w mundurach Księstwa Warszawskiego) uczestniczących w obchodach 11 Listopada, kilka lat temu. No bo przecież jak nosi historyczny mundur, to wiadomo, że ksenofob, biały supremacjonista i polski faszysta ;)"
4,61444,2019-10-15T15:14:36.403Z,10596,2,6,5,1,0,0,16.2,60291,anon2162742776,anon1274458134,"Czy uważamy, że na każdy temat warto podjąć dyskusję, czy jednak chcielibyśmy uruchomić coś, co nazwę na potrzebę tej krótkiej wypowiedzi ""zdrowym rozsądkiem"" i jeżeli ktoś propaguje kompletnie chore systemy i postawy - może jednak chcielibyśmy spuścić na to zasłonę milczenia? Bo przecież jako przedstawiciel strony narodowej mogę rzucić hasłem ""a anarchistów powinniśmy likwidować wszelkimi metodami, łącznie z użyciem siły fizycznej"" i naprawdę ta rozmowa anon1235093333łaby podlegać szerszej debacie? Gdy absurd przekroczy pewne granice, lepiej byłoby chyba po prostu zamilknąć. I tyle w tym temacie."
5,61897,2019-10-22T07:32:53.952Z,10596,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,61444,anon3593942245,anon2162742776,"Ja się właśnie zastanawiam nad funkcją i skutecznością zasłony milczenia - ale nie mam tez dobrej alternatywy. Co Twoim zdaniem pomoże nam osiągnąć ignorowanie pewnych grup, tematów, problemów (nie jest to zaczepne pytanie, jestem ciekawa, jak Ty to widzisz jako strategię)"
6,62079,2019-10-23T12:32:54.362Z,10596,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,61444,anon1274458134,anon2162742776,"Pod pewnymi względami zgadzam się z Tobą. Z drugiej strony nie wyobrażam sobie, aby nie zaznaczyć swojego sprzeciwu wobec zaprezentowanej przez @anon3892784764 postawy. Wiem, że nie przekonam go do zanon1235093333ny poglądów, podobnie jak on nie przekona mnie do anarchizmu, szczególnie rozuanon1235093333nego jako napierdzielanie nacjonalistów (zresztą chyba kwalifikowałbym się do otrzymania natychanon1235093333stowego łomotu w wykonaniu Antify), po prostu nie mogłem pozwolić sobie na wzruszenie ramion w tym wypadku."
1,61620,2019-10-18T08:08:02.798Z,11174,0,9,8,5,0,0,41.8,61620,anon1274458134,anon1274458134,"Ta historia będzie raczej krótka. Przemyślenia w niej zawarte powstały na podstawie kilkunastu – kilkudziesięciu rozmów, spotkań, po prostu obcowania z ludźmi Kaukazu. Siłą rzeczy są więc bardzo subiektywne i wcale nie muszą trafnie oddawać tego  jak jesteśmy postrzegani w tym regionie świata. Mówiąc „my” mam na myśli obywateli państw członkowskich UE. 

Niedawno wróciłem ze swojej drugiej podróży na Kaukaz. Tym razem byłem w Gruzji i Armenii. I zdecydowanie częściej niż poprzednim razem zdarzyło mi się usłyszeć, że „wy tam w tej Europie, to tych homoseksualistów tak mocno wspieracie”. Stwierdzenie to było zwykle opatrzone komentarzem o szkodliwej homopropagandzie, zagrożeniu cywilizacyjnym, konieczności eliminacji  z przestrzeni publicznej ideologii LGBT itp. Sporo się natłumaczyłem, że poszczególne państwa UE bardzo mocno się od siebie różnią, nie tylko w podejściu do tematów obyczajowo-światopoglądowych, ale w ogóle Europa jest mocno zróżnicowana, a i same narody europejskie są mocno podzielone w tych kwestiach. Starałem się jednocześnie zbyt mocno nie wchodzić w dyskusje światopoglądowe. Niemniej jednak, ze swoim prawicowym i konserwatywnym podejściem do życia, czułem się momentami jak aktywista LGBT ;) Pewnie niejeden przedstawiciel tego środowiska nazwałby mnie homofobem, jednak na Kaukazie moje poglądy zdawały się stonowane i łagodne. 

Tak naprawdę nie chcę jednak pisać o kaukaskiej mentalności, tylko o wykorzystaniu wizerunku środowisk homoseksualnych w propagandzie, jak mniemam głównie rosyjskiej proweniencji. Obraz Europy jako współczesnej Sodomy i Gomory (nawiasem mówiąc, w mojej opinii częściowo słuszny) przekazywany jest mieszkańcom Kaukazu (a i pewnie całej przestrzeni poradzieckiej) za pośrednictwem rosyjskojęzycznych lub kontrolowanych przez Rosję mediów. Obstawiam, że każdy wybryk środowisk LGBT, wszelkie te „cipkomaryjki”, parodie Mszy Świętej, zajęcia z drag queens dla dzieci przedszkolnych itp. itd. będą ostro grzane w rosyjskich mediach krajowych i zagranicznych, tworząc obraz upadku zachodniej cywilizacji. 

Nie zamierzam się tutaj skupiać na analizie czy krytyce działań środowisk LGBT (jak się jednak pewnie domyślacie – ocenianych w większości krytycznie przeze mnie). Chciałem natoanon1235093333st podzielić się konstatacją, że kontrowersyjne, obrazoburcze lub po prostu nieprzyzwoite działania aktywistów LGBT nie wzburzają tylko tych kogo bezpośrednio dotyczą, ale stanowią również jeden z istotnych czynników w kształtowaniu obrazu Europy w przestrzeni poradzieckiej. Świadomie lub nie, ale środowiska LGBT są wykorzystywane w rosyjskiej propagandzie. 

P.S. A na marginesie i zupełnie bez związku z ww. tematem wspomnę o innej rzeczy, którą zauważyłem na Kaukazie w rozmowach z wyznawcami różnych religii (prawosławie, Apostolski Kościół Oranon1235093333ński, islam). Po tradycyjnych pytaniach o imię, kraj pochodzenia, stan cywilny i posiadanie dzieci, zarobki, często byłem pytany o to czy jestem chrześcijaninem. Po twierdzącej odpowiedzi widziałem, że jest ona przyjmowana z zadowoleniem. Nierzadko pytano, czy moje imię ma jakieś religijne znaczenie. I tutaj również, po udzieleniu twierdzącej odpowiedzi, niezależnie od wyznania mojego rozmówcy, atmosfera robiła się jakby od razu jeszcze bardziej pozytywna. Chciałem powiedzieć, że Kaukaz jest akurat takim ciekawym regionem, w którym, po pierwsze Twoi rozmówcy będą pytać Cię o wyznanie, a po drugie, zostaniesz doceniony za fakt przynależności do jednego z chrześcijańskich Kościołów (również przez muzułmanów)."
2,61809,2019-10-21T12:09:45.488Z,11174,1,7,6,2,0,0,16.4,61620,anon3593942245,anon1274458134,"Hej @anon1274458134 , powoli stajesz się moim ulubionym twórcą na tym forum! 

No więc ciekawe rzeczy piszesz, znowu. 

Z jednej strony znam doskonale to uczucie, kiedy spotykasz nowe osoby i informacja o wspolnej religii staje sie waznym kluczem do otwarcia się na głębszą, szczerą konwersację. Wiele razy zdarzyło mi się to np. w Indonezji, gdzie na Kalimantnie wszyscy znali polskiego papieża... Kiedy mówiłam im, że jestem niewierząca, chociaż wychowałam się jako praktykująca anon3213561856oliczka, było to dla nich raczej dziwne czy niewiarygodne, niż bulwersujące. Tam wszyscy wierzą, tego się nie kwestionuje - każdy musi mieć jakiegoś Boga w Indonezji.

Ciekawe, czy religia to jeden z tych potencjalnie uniwersalnych łączników - i czy skoro pomimo sporego rozczłonkowania chrześcijaństwa, chrześciajnie czy osoby wychowane w tej tradycji czują jakieś więzi, to byłaby też możliwość stworzenia platformy dialogu nie w oparciu o różnice i konflikty między religiami, ale o wspólne elementy - historie, pochodzenie, wątki w religijnych księgach, wartości. Może jest potencjał na braterstwo i siostrzeństwo, jeśli będziemy skupiali się raczej na tym, co nas łączy. 

Bardzo interesujący jest Twój pogląd nt instrumentalnego wykorzystywania walki o prawa LGBT w budowaniu ich własnej imperialnej retoryki. Podejrzewam jednak, że Putinowi obojętne są osoby LGBT, i gdyby nie anon1235093333ł ich, znalazłby jakiś inny front, na którym mógłby nas ze sobą konfrontować. Tu raczej chodzi o wykrzywienie obrazu świata w sposób, który pozwala mu na dalsze ograniczanie praw własnych obywateli pod pretekstem ich ochrony...  Pamiętam, jak starałam się o wizję do Rosji i pan konsul zapytał, dlaczego nam (Europejczykom, ktorzy nota bene, jak się dowiedziałam, mają o wiele niższe przeciętne IQ niż Rosjanie) się wydaje, że Rosjanie nie mają prawa bić swoich żon, przecież to ich kultura i nie powinniśmy się do tego wtrącać. Wizy nie dostałam. 

Chyba to, co chcę powiedzieć, to że nie warto porzucać walki o pewne wartości tylko dlatego, że Putin tego użyje przeciwko nam, a przede wszystkim przeciwko własnym ludziom."
3,61938,2019-10-22T10:12:21.812Z,11174,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,61809,anon1274458134,anon3593942245,"Hej, dziękuję za miłe słowa.
Potwierdzam Twoje spostrzeżenie, że są na świecie rejony, gdzie przyznanie się, że jest się osobą niewierzącą budzi zdumienie i to nieliche. Pamiętam jak w okolicach 2005/2006 r. wpadł mi w ręce poradnik dla polskich żołnierzy wyjeżdżających na misję do Iraku. Podkreślono tam, żeby niewierzący żołnierze nie epatowali tym faktem, ponieważ może się to spotkać z dużo bardziej niechętnym przyjęciem niż stwierdzenie, że jest się chrześcijaninem. Co do religii jako czynniku łączącym ludzi - jak najbardziej, uważam, że jest to platforma do budowania dialogu i więzi. Istotna jest tu uniwersalistyczna idea chrześcijaństwa. Poza tym w swojej doktrynie przynajmniej (bo praktyka to już co innego) odrzuca traktowanie drugiego człowieka inaczej ze względu na pochodzenie lub wyznanie. Islam też kieruje swoje przesłanie do całego świata, ale o ile wiem wyznacza inne standardy dla stosunków pomiędzy muzułmanami, a inne w relacjach między muzułmanami a ludami Księgi (Żydzi, chrześcijanie) a jeszcze inne z całą resztą. Tak więc religia jako podstawa budowania wspólnoty to bardzo dobry pomysł i to już się dzieje na świecie od setek lat. Jednocześnie różnice religijne tworzą silne granice i wyznaczają tożsamość zwaśnionych grup. Najlepszym tego przykładem z naszego podwórka są chyba Bałkany, gdzie tożsamości skonfliktowanych grup wyznaczone są po linii religijnej. Prawosławni Serbowie, anon3213561856oliccy Chorwaci i jeszcze muzułmańscy mieszkańcy Bośni. Posługują się tym samym językiem, dzielą wiele wspólnych obyczajów, kawał wspólnej historii itd. a jednak to po której stronie barykady staniesz było zdeterminowane do jakiej świątyni chodziłeś. Przy okazji nie uważam, że gdyby ludność b. Jugosławii nie wyznawała żadnej religii lub wyznawała tylko jedną to wojny udałoby się uniknąć. Po prostu oś konfliktu mogłaby wyglądać inaczej. Temat generalnie bardzo głęboki i warty poszerzonej analizy."
1,61710,2019-10-18T18:13:25.813Z,11188,0,14,13,26,0,0,147.8,61710,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"<image here> 
 

November 22, 2019 → Novembar 22, 2019
Time: 17h30 - 20h30

**Location:**  21220 Bečej, Serbia, Ulica Braće Tan 5-7. http://www.than.rs/en/

**Budget needs:** So far 100 euros, venue and drinks

**Organisers:**  [@anon2614214130](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon

**Facilitated by:**  [@anon3346229079](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon3346229079)

**Status:**  Taking care of speakers and creating collaboration with local stakeholders

# How do we stop the brain drain from Serbia?

One of the solutions is creating a suitable environment for empowering youth. The most important resource, from any company or a country, are people. The investors put their money in people and ideas…in human potential, not in companies. Why? Because they know the company will never succeed without a great team. How can we expect to prosper as a country if we do not invest in the members of our society?

That is why we decided the theme of this workshop will be creativity and entrepreneurship. Our focus is on young people: how to we help them fulfill their potential? What kind of support do they really need from us? From parents, from the municipality, school or various organisations working with children, like for example the social care centers? Children with difficulties functioning within standard rules and education might need our help the most.
Our project was born out of that need to create an environment in which youth will flourish, in this case it will be the Becej Creative Hub, which we will present on this workshop.

## Format

We are creating a partnership made of individuals and all organisations in Becej who want to contribute to empowering young people and through that improve the quality of life in their community. This workshop and the project we will present during it will be the result of a poll we conduct between teenagers of 3 high schools in Becej. It will be built through their participation as well.

**Before workshop:**  We connected with all 3 schools and few organisations, with goal of creating the needed partnership to and conduct the needed poll within the younger population so we can adapt the project to their needs as much as possible.

**Why document everything:**  The documentation from the discussions are redacted to ensure privacy of participants, then posted on the online discussion space for the festival. This enables us to do a number of things - easily reconnect with people we met across shared/complimentary interests build a high quality report summarising what knowledge has emerged from the discussions
 keep everyone informed about new, relevant, opportunities for professional and personal development, follow up events etc

**Program:**

Introduction, Who are Edgeryders (5 min + 5 min Q&amp;A)

Project “Wellbeing in Serbia”: how to use the platform, the importance of our stories and connecting with others (10 min + 5 min Q&amp;A)

Innovator (20 min + 10 min Q&amp;A)

Nenad Čanak (30 min + 15 min Q&amp;A)

Presenting the project “Creative Hub in Becej” (10 min + 10 min Q&amp;A)

Open discussion about the project (until the workshop end)

## Who is coming?

### To confirm still

Speaker from the association of innovators, Serbia

Prof. Dr. Nikola Čanak

**Frequently asked questions**

**How do I get an invitation/ticket to this workshop?**

**How is this event being organised?**

This event, and the festival it is part of, is coordinated on the edgeryders platform (where you are now) and co-curated through a series of community video calls. We have allocated a collaboratively managed budget for the festival and operate on a solidarity basis. Participants who need some financial support to organise or be able to participate in the festival are eligible provided they contribute towards making it a meaningful and generative experience for all - in the run up to, during and/or after the event. If you would like to join us but are unsure as to how to contribute, don’t worry. Create an [edgeryders account](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login), then [tell us a bit about yourself here](https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh/tell-us-about-you) and we will guide you along from there.

We @anon2614214130 @anon3346229079 and @anon2446385507 are coordinating this event, with http://www.than.rs/sr/, in collaboration with innova.rs, and high schools (not confirmed yet) “Ekonomska Skola Becej”, “Gimnazija Becej”, “Tehnicka skola Becej”. Some people have been specially invited as guests because the work they are doing right now and their expertise will help ensure that the discussion is based on case studies, credible data and hands on experience.

**How is this all financed?**

This project has received funding from the European Union’s Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme under grant agreement No 822682.

**[POPREBEL_V01_BrightBlue.jpg4103×878 259 KB](https://edgeryders.eu/uploads/default/original/2X/3/31be5dc58dc3089277de7f5cb59f2cc5787a7b6f.jpeg)**

**Does getting involved mean I endorse the funders views or actions?**

No. What you are doing is contributing to an open consultation on the topic of how to build a next generation of internet infrastructure, technologies, business models etc that promotes the wellbeing of humans and the natural environment. The consultation methodology is designed in such a way as to allow for diversity of views, premises, disciplines, themes and contexts. We employ open notebook science principles and the results will be presented in the form of a research report accessible to everyone after the event. You can follow the process, review the methodology and open source tech we are using and engage directly with the research and coordination team here: https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh/workspace

**What is the code of conduct?**

The Edgeryders online platform technology and activities are intended for people to cooperate within and across projects trying to build a better world. The word “better” has here a fairly broad range of meaning. These [Community Guidelines](https://edgeryders.eu/t/netiquette/45) are here to help you understand what it means to be a member of Edgeryders. Don’t forget that your use of Edgeryders is subject to these Community Guidelines and our [Terms of Service](https://edgeryders.eu/t/id/44).

**What happens with my data?**

You can read about our [Terms of Use and Privacy Policy here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy/44). Also:

[Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 April 2016 on the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data, and repealing Directive 95/46/EC (General Data Protection Regulation) (Text with EEA relevance)](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2016.119.01.0001.01.ENG&amp;toc=OJ:L:2016:119:TOC)

[Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31995L0046)

[Handbook on European Data Protection directive](http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Handbook_data_protection_ENG.pdf)

[European Commission website - Protection of personal data](http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/)"
1,61765,2019-10-21T05:44:28.014Z,11195,0,9,8,5,0,0,56.8,61765,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"https://www.drbna.cz/files/drbna/images/page/2015/09/16/1000x1000-1442405867-zazit-mesto-jinak-2012-foto-anna-solcova.jpg

Máme za sebou neskutečně živé dva týdny, během nichž se k nám přidalo mnoho nových přispěvatelů, kteří přinesli své příběhy a připojili se k již běžícím konverzacím ohledně věcí, které nám přijdou důležité a problematické.

@anon3033090866 otevřel téma osobní pohody a toho, jestli je skutečně možné jí dosáhnout, v situaci, kdy je člověk  ""dítětem třetí kultury"", jak nám vysvětlil, někým s nadnárodní identitou, žijícím v Čechách: [Lež stihne oběhnout svět než si pravda nazuje boty](https://edgeryders.eu/t/lez-stihne-obehnout-svet-nez-si-pravda-nazuje-boty/11058). 

@anon

@anon4241195410 představil svůj osobní příběh spojený se [vznikem Brněnské klimatické koalice](https://edgeryders.eu/t/vznik-brnenske-klimaticke-koalice/11016) jeho aktivity na poli otázek životního  toto prostředí ho ostatně svým způsobem přivedlo i do řad Edgeryders.

@anon2459271939 pak otevřel jdnu z nejpalčivějších otázek (nejenom) mladých lidí, kteří (nejenom) v Praze shánějí prostě normální bydlení: [(Ne)dostupné bydlení aneb (ne)spokojený život mladého Pražáka](http://(Ne)dostupné bydlení aneb (ne)spokojený život mladého Pražáka) a se zvláštní zkušeností na stejné téma se s námi podělil i @anon879431432 v [Bizarní story během hledání bydlení v Praze](https://edgeryders.eu/t/bizarni-story-behem-hledani-bydleni-v-praze/11192).   

@anon1509586794 pak představila svoji osobní zkušenost s tím, když se snažila v rámci působení v oblasti sociální podpory a asistence oficiálně zaštít pomoc pro děti, o které dlouhodobě pečuje, ale narazila při tom na limity systému aneb [Když sociálka nekoná](https://edgeryders.eu/t/kdyz-socialka-nekona/11121).

### Je úžasné, že si k nám nacházíte cestu a neváháte sdílet své zkušenosti s ostatními od toho tu jsme! Úžasnou práci v tomhle směru odvádí @anon4062071924 a @anon4241195410, kteří vám představují ústřední myšlenku tohoto fóra a představují cestu sem směřující. Oba si pro nás přichystali komunitní události v [Brně 8.11.2019](https://edgeryders.eu/t/brno-cze-hacanon3213561856hon-on-affordable-housing-panel-discussion/11185) a v [Praze 23.11.2019](https://edgeryders.eu/t/poprebel-event-prague/11139). Tak se určitě přidejte a setkejme se všichni osobně!!"
2,61770,2019-10-21T06:39:21.309Z,11195,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,61765,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"@anon3353600255 if you add hyperlinks in the text instead of alongside it, it will be so much easier to read!

Example:
- link in line: On Edgeryders http://edgeryders.eu versus 
- hyperlink: [On Edgeryders](http://edgeryders.eu)"
3,61773,2019-10-21T06:53:22.752Z,11195,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,61770,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Ahá, thank you very much for the good tip!"
4,61895,2019-10-22T07:27:34.208Z,11195,0,2,1,0,0,0,15.4,61773,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,Add photo so it can appear featured on https://wellbeing.edgeryders.eu/cz?
1,55890,2019-06-29T17:18:51.499Z,10263,0,22,21,229,0,0,1154.4,55890,anon4062071924,anon4062071924,"![](https://im.novinky.cz/mynews/308/23081-gallery1-z1o74.jpg)

Inspirován zdejším článkem „Lékařův pacient nebo pacientův lékař?“ bych rád zareagoval na „veselou story z 90. let“ svým příběhem, který začal letos v zimě na sjezdovce v Jizerkách (analogií bude více). Byť jsem instruktorem snowboardingu, podařilo se mi na sjezdovce upadnout tak, že jsem si v pevně zavázané botě něco udělal s kotníkem, na který jsem nemohl došlápnout. Když pro mě přijela Horská služba, jeden ze záchranářů vznesl smutnou (ale předběžnou, „okometrickou“) diagnózu: „To půjde do sádry, synku…“. Načež mi jeho kolega sundal botu, inkriminovaný kotník prohmatal a když se divil, že nekřičím bolestí, přišel z pozitivnější diagnózou: „Normálně bych vás poslal do soukromého medical centru v nejbližším horském středisku, ale to byste se nedoplatil… Možná to zlomený nebude, ať vás kamarád odveze do Prahy, ledujte to doma a bude to třeba dobrý…“.

Doma jsem teda začal (dle instrukcí) ledovat, ale když jsem nebyl schopný se po několika hodinách na nohu postavit, nechal jsem se odvézt do „mé oblíbené fakultní nemocnice B.“, rentgen odhalil zlomený kotník, nechodící sádra na dva měsíce. OK, říkám si, ještěže jsem se nerozhodl pro samoléčbu ledováním… Po dvou měsících mi sádru sundali, začal jsem chodit na rehabilitace a vše vypadalo, že se ubírá pozitivním směrem. Na kontrole měsíc po sundání sádry mi doktor s šibalským úsměvem říká: „Vždyť to na RTG snímku vypadá, že jste to zlomený vůbec neměl… Takže, abyste tu nohu uvedl do původního stavu, musíte jí dát plnou zátěž.“ Mě to mile překvapilo, ale musel jsem ortopedovi smutně konstatovat, že hraju florbal a skáču na kole, což rozhodně nebude to pravé pro čerstvě zahojený frakturovaný kotník. On ale zvesela pokračoval, že to je dobře, že čím větší zátěž, tím efektivněji se to celé zahojí. Když jsem namítnul, že mi to určitě nateče, on přitakal a řekl, že to bude natejanon3213561856 ještě tak rok, rok a půl, ať si zvyknu. Přišlo mi logické se dotázat, zda-li mám otoku předcházet nějakou ortézou, obinadlem, atp. To jsem dostal výslovně zakázáno, že prý by to hojení jenom zhoršovalo. Inu dobrá, vrhnul jsem se do svých oblíbených sportů s plnou vervou – bez ortézy.

Zhruba po měsíci sportování, kdy jsem žádnou bolest necítil a radoval se, jak „se to hezky zahojilo a jak mám uvědomělý doktory“, to přišlo. Z ničeho nic mi noha natekla a já se vrátil do kulhajícího stavu, tak jsem začal (opět) ledovat, což ale během týdne žádné zlepšení nepřineslo… Takže jsem se vrátil i do FN B., kde mi jiný doktor po zhlédnutí rentgenu sdělil, že se to sice „hojí celkem dobře“, ale že přeci jen ne úplně optimálně… A tak mi poradil: „Nohu do klidu, používat ortézu, neběhat, nechodit, plavat a na kole jezdit maximálně na cyklostezce podél Vltavy.“ Když jsem mu řekl, jakou jsem dostal radu posledně (tedy právě přesně opačnou), doktor to nijak nerozporoval a řekl, že je to běžný postup (nejen jeho kolegy, ale zřejmě celé medicíny) a že to bylo dobře myšlené. Má fyzioterapeutka kroutila nechápavě hlavou a řekla, že by se klonila k radě „příliš nesportovat“ hned od začátku, ale že přece nová diagnóza nemůže rozporovat tu předchozí…

Čímž se dostávám k pointě – a to chci zdůraznit, že si nestěžuju – mám v lékaře plnou důvěru, ale když dostanete o 180° odlišné rady (vedoucí k tomu, že už dva měsíce opět kulhám), jsem zmatený. Myslíte, že existuje nějaká nezávislá instance, kam se člověk může obrátit, když si není jistý správností diagnózy, doporučení, atd.? Jít se zeptat jiného odborníka v rámci té samé instituce podle mě smysl nemá, protože přece drží basu… #FNBforever"
2,55894,2019-06-29T18:13:50.364Z,10263,0,16,15,2,0,0,13.2,55890,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Díky moc za příspěvek, jako člověk s mnohonasobnymi úrazy nohou doufám, že uz to chodí líp:). S něčím obdobným se v posledních letech potýká moje Máma, kterou trápí kolena. Podle několika různých lékařů za to mohou dosti různorodé příčiny, od věku, přes artrózu až po nejrůznější infekce. Zkusila navštívit maximální množství odborníků, ale ve finále vlastně nikdo zcela rozhodně nepotvrdil, ani nevyvrátil názor toho druhého. Rozhodla se tedy pro léčbu doporučenou doktorem, ke kterému dochází dlouhodobě (a který spravoval koleno čirou náhodou ve FNB  i mně:). Někdy možná zafunguje dát na názor člověka, který nás jako lékař zná v širším kontextu.."
3,56065,2019-07-02T13:44:42.550Z,10263,1,15,14,1,0,0,13.0,55890,anon2446385507,anon4062071924,"To zní jako jedna z neviditelných nemocí systému. Mor nejistoty a nedůvěry.
Říkáte, že věříte lékaři, dokud není prokázán vážný rozpor s jiným lékařským názorem. Někde jinde se zmiňujete, že byste raději čekal na změnu systému, než abyste se léčil v zahraničí, ale jak dlouho to bude stačit? Já jim nevěřím vůbec, a tak jsem se rozhodla, že pokaždé, když se objeví nějaký problém, zeptám se alespoň dvou doktorů.

Jak probíhá vaše rekonvalescence? Mluvíte s nějakými podpůrnými skupinami nebo jste podal stížnost? Moje otázka asi zní: jak tato osobní zkušenost ovlivňuje váš občanský život? Mluvíte víc nahlas? Radíte ostatním častěji, aby byli také opatrní?

Možná by vás mohl zajímat příběh společnosti @anon1812918160 [o životě s chronickým onemocněním v polském zdravotnictví.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/diagnoza-wsparcie-psychologiczne-i-zycie-z-choroba-przewlekla-w-polsce/10046/)"
4,56437,2019-07-09T18:52:09.720Z,10263,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,56065,anon4062071924,anon2446385507,"Doposud jsem vždy věřil lékaři (než se objevila komplikace, kterou jsem popisoval) – někdy jsou situace tak akutní, že na konzultaci s jinými odborníky není prostor…  Rozhodně si po této zkušenosti budu shromažďovat informace z více zdrojů, což od teď doporučuji i ostatním, aby tak dokázali předcházet dlouhodobějším problémům (a třeba nutnosti řešit je v zahraničí). A jen zřejmě proto, že se rekonvalescence daří dobře – díky za optání – jsem oficiální stížnost nepodal…"
5,60428,2019-10-02T16:37:45.423Z,10263,1,10,9,2,0,0,62.0,55890,anon774502830,anon4062071924,"Na základě přečtení článku, mi nejde, se nepodělit o zkušenost, která se stala mě. S dovolením překopíruji text ze svého osobního profilu na facebooku. Tato událost se stala v roce 2017 a od té doby, si nenechávám sdělit pouze dva či tři (ač když chcete třetí názor a natrefíte na doktora ""kruťase"" dá vám to sežrat, protože dva odborníci před ním se přece už vyjádřili), ale zajímá mě ještě názor alternativní (dá se pomoci bylinkami, správnou stravou, cvičením apod.).
Výše zmíněný příspěvek z dubna 2017.
_ Nejlepší Apríl mého života? Po delší době se vypravím na výlet do Prahy, jeden seskok z lajny (slackline), špatné došlapnutí - KŘUP... Nu což, jsem zvyklá, že pravý kotník mě trápí už dlouho, tak to rozchodím. Prcka (kámoška) ráno vstávala na přijímačky, a já se nebyla schopná zvednout z postele, tak jsem s ""lehkou"" bolestí čekala, až mi sežene po cestě z přijímaček berle a dostaví se pro invalidu ve své posteli. Přesun do Vinohradské nemocnice, kde mi doktor oznámí - nadvakrát zlomený kotník a přetrhané vazy... Ach jo... Doba léčby až 12 týdnů... Dvojité ach jo... Přesun na Vysočinu, kde se mám v následujícím týdnu dostavit na kontrolu do místní nemocnice.... Proběhl další rentgen a doktor na mě nechápavě hledí... 
""Buď se Vám za pět dní zvládla zacelit dvojitá zlomenina i s poškozenými vazy nebo jsem blázen já, protože na snímcích nic není. Když Vám to ale řekl doktor z Prahy, tak sádru dotočíme a přijďte si 13. dubna na sundání.""
Happy end příběhu se nekonal - když mi po dalších 14 dnech sundali sádru z nohy, měla jsem kromě palce na pravé noze všechny prsty vykloubené a vytočené do pravého úhlu - neobula jsem ani sandály! Na mou otázku: ""Je tohle normální?"" Jsem dostala odpověď: ""Ano, nohu jste měla v sádře, takže čemu se divíte?"" KONEC FB PŘÍSPĚVKU.
Nehodlala jsem dál hádat, už jsem věděla kam pojedu. K bývalé zdravotní sestře, která se snaží skloubit moderní a alternativní medicínu. Ve zdravotnictví dělala min. 10 let na ARU a JIPce a neměla jsem sebemenších pochyb, že mi pomůže. 
Když jsem za ní přijela a ukázala jí v jakém stavu je moje noha, na kterou podle doktorů mohu normálně chodit, zhrozila se! 
Vysvětlila mi, že pokud ta noha nebyla zlomená a v nemocnici, kde mi ji měli ještě zrengovat, aby viděli co tam je, raději řekli ""když to řekl doktor z Prahy, tak to je pravda"" a zasádrovali, tak mi poničili měkké tkáně, protože tam byl otok. To znamená - žádném případě nesmí jít do sádry! Což je mimochodem jeden z důvodů, proč mi nedali sádru celou už hned v Praze, čekalo se na splasknutí otoku a nový snímek.  
No a od toho se odvíjí spousta dalších a dalších ""vtipných"" historek s nemocnicí a vyšetřeními.
Nohu jsem dávala dohromady další dva roky a pořád to není ono. Připadám si jakoby mi bylo 50 let, protože cítím každou námahu na nohu, změnu počasí a bolesti vystřelující z kotníku až do kolene. Podle lékařů na snímcích nic není a jsem životaschopná. 
Oficiální stížnost? Ne, tu bych asi nepodala, nechci s tím ztratit zbytek života. Stačí mi, jak se ke mě chovají, když mě to jednou do roka chytne, nemůžu chodit a domáhám se něčeho jiného než ""Ibalgin dvakrát denně a ledujte."""
6,60432,2019-10-02T17:16:53.399Z,10263,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,60428,anon3353600255,anon774502830,"Ahoj, díky moc za sdílení Tvé zkušenosti, zní to teda dost strašidelně...Můžu se zeptat, jak si se k té paní nakonec dostala? Většinou jsou tyhle kontakty přes známost, takže tipuju, že nejspíš tak, ale z hlediska té dlouhodobé léčby trvalých následků, pokračovala jsi nějak i v té alternativní cestě? Ono to totiž není až tak jednoduchý někoho sehnat, mám kamaráda, který se dlouhodobě snaží kombinovat kariéru fyzioterapeuta v dejme tomu klasické tradici s alternativními přístupy ve zbývajícím čase, ale s rodinou a několika dětmi se mu to daří spíš tak sezónně.."
7,60466,2019-10-03T07:51:15.405Z,10263,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,60432,anon774502830,anon3353600255,"Ahoj, k mé záchraně jsem se dostala klasicky ""známá známého"" a jelikož jsem byla zoufalá a naše zdravotnictví mne nechalo ve štychu, zkusila jsem. Nakonec k oné paní dojíždím od té doby, léčily jsme moje nohy dlouhodobě pomocí dornové metody, cvičení + byliny a masti. Od té doby k ní jezdí povinně celá rodina. Mého dědu drží při životě a jen díky ní je na živu. Od ní jsou příběhy, které mne opravdu nutí zamyslet se nad postupy západní medicíny... Např. můj děda už má 10 let rakovinu tlustého střeva. Od začátku všechno špatně. První diagnóza nádor není zhoubný, vyřízneme a bude to v pohodě. Potom co se dědy stav nezlepšoval, udělali lékaři nové testy a hle nádor je zhoubný a rozšiřuje se. Dávali dědovi max. pět let při dobré léčbě. Dva a půl roku zpátky, než jsem se vydala k mé záchraně to s dědou už nevypadalo dobře, selhávaly mu ledviny, měl za sebou bypass, trápil ho žaludek, otékaly mu nohy, nemohl chodit, zavodňoval se.
Nakonec jsem se rozhodla a dědu ""násilím"" odvlekla k naší, jak my jí od té doby v rodině říkáme, ""čarodějnici"". Dala ho celého do kupy. Zlepšila funkci ledvin (bylinami), napravila bolesti v nohou, celého ho srovnala, naordinovala tinktury a čaje. Všechno to sice stojí ranec, ale děda žije a dokonce plnohodnotně. Nedávno jsme volali jeho lékařce z onkologie, protože nám naše čarodějnice doporučila, aby děda měl nějaké slabé antidepresiva na lepší náladu, málem jí spadla anon3121054521a, že děda ještě žije a že tomu ani nemůže uvěřit."
8,60475,2019-10-03T08:50:23.580Z,10263,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,60466,anon4062071924,anon774502830,"Je super číst o tom, že jsou u nás ""čarodejnice"" (v pozitivním slova smyslu), které umí léčit alternativními postupy, které opravdu fungují... Podle mě by stát měl v jednadvacátém století podporovat i tyto metody, ačkoli je zatím nedokáže (a nechce!) zařadit do nějakých oficiálních šanon3213561856ulek... Škoda!
Můj příběh (vlastně i Jirkův) má původ v nemocnici Na Bulovce, kterou vnímáme jako symbol rigidity a naprosto nulového pokroku. Před několika dny mne však překvapila zpráva, že v tomto ústavu založili speciální oddělení pro léčbu sanon3213561856eboardistů - na jednu stranu je to hezké (sám na sanon3213561856u jezdím), na straně druhé si říkám, jestli to není ""zbytečně"" vynaložené úsilí, které je zacíleno na poměrně úzkou cílovou skupinu (z peněz všech daňových poplatníků) a jestli vlastně nejde spíš o marketingový tah od instituce, která má velmi špatné jméno... Kdy Na Bulovce založí oddělení alternativní medicíny dostupné pro všechny, kterým nepomáhají tradiční - západní - postupy?!

http://bulovka.cz/sanon3213561856eboarding-medical-center-nemocnice-na-bulovce-vraci-sanon3213561856eboardisty-do-hry/"
9,60489,2019-10-03T09:56:59.912Z,10263,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,60475,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Wow, Centrum pro sanon3213561856eboardisty je dost alternativní koncept sám o sobě, i když ne v tom smyslu, o kterém se bavíme.Ony snahy začít s alternativní medicínou tu jsou, ale jak jsou ty vzájemné přesahy zatím slabé, tak je to trochu jeden krok kupředu, dva zpátky:
https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/domaci/centrum-cinske-mediciny-v-hradci-konci-vedouci-bude-dale-pro/r~fe2742802dd611e99182ac1f6b220ee8/"
10,61311,2019-10-14T11:36:57.679Z,10263,1,7,6,2,0,0,61.4,55890,anon242998772,anon4062071924,"Ahoj všem :) mám podobnou zkušenost, když jsem si přetrhl vazy v koleni. Téměř dva roky mi byla diagnostikována u ortopeda distroze kolene, kterou jsem měl léčit neprve ledováním, ortézou, klidem a následně postupným zatěžováním, jízdou na rotopedu atd. Až po téměř dvou letech, kdy stav nebyl akutní, ale zároveň se výrazně nelepšil mi došla trpělivost a nechal jsem se znovu vyšetřit u jiného ortopeda. Ten řekl, že je pravděpodobně přetrhlý postranní vaz (ACL) a poškozené menisky. Poslal mě na magnetickou rezonanci, kde se jeho odhad potvrdil a musel jsem podstoupit operaci - plastiku vazu. Ztratil jsem tak téměř dva roky, kdy jsem mohl sportovat. Po operaci a úspěšně absolvované rehabilitaci (cca půl roku), koleno nefungovalo tak, abych mohl aktivně sportovat. Absolvoval jsem druhou operaci na soukromé klinice (stála 20 000,-), později mi byly nabízeny inijekce s kyselinou hyaluronovou pro rychlejší regeneraci (jedna aplikace cca za 6000,-). Přišlo mi, že ze mě ortoped z této nejvyhlášenější nemocnice v republice tahá jen další a další peníze. Až na potřetí to vyšlo, dostal jsem se k ortopedovi - kapacitě svého oboru (staré škole), který ordinuje mimo Prahu, který vyvrátil některá tvrzení svých ""kolegů"", aplikoval sérii injekcí za nesrovnatelně nižší částky a doporučil rehabilitaci, která mi poprvé za cca 4 roky těchto anabází dovoluje věnovat se opět naplno sportu."
11,61395,2019-10-15T10:31:00.867Z,10263,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,61311,anon4062071924,anon242998772,"Díky za komentář, Kryštofe, to je docela síla, že krom výše několikrát zmíněných nejistot v diagnózách se (možná) objevuje i falešná diagnóza vytvořená za účelem zisku - a to v nejvyhlášenější nemocnici! Kromě ztraceného času, kdy jsme mohli naplno sportovat a újmě na zdraví tu jsou ještě enormně vysoké částky, které po nás (někteří) odborníci chtějí, abychom platili za ""standardní"" procedury... Podal jsi v tomto kontextu nějakou stížnost? Nebo ses spokojil s tím, že se - naštěstí - našlo vhodné řešení a ty peníze jsi bral / bereš jako (nenávratně) ""vyhozené""? Tak doufám, že jde rekonvalescence v pohodě a budeš nadobro OK! Držíme palce!!! :)"
12,61553,2019-10-17T10:39:49.962Z,10263,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,61395,anon242998772,anon4062071924,"Nepodal jsem žádnou stížnost. Spokojil jsem se s tím, že jsem našel řádově lepší náhradu péče i co se týče nákladů a peníze investované u tohoto ortopeda beru jako ""vyhozené"". Děkuju moc za přání, vám všem taky přeju pevné zdraví a ať narazíte na dobrého lékaře na první dobrou! :wink:"
13,61570,2019-10-17T15:04:57.457Z,10263,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,61553,anon4062071924,anon242998772,"Krásný přání, děkujeme a přejeme i všem ostatním... A doufám, že se spolu potkáme na POPrebel (Edgeryders) festivalu 23/11 v Crossu! ;)"
14,61744,2019-10-20T10:23:22.353Z,10263,0,6,5,1,0,0,36.2,55890,anon879431432,anon4062071924,"No jo, co doktor, to jiná diagnoza. Podělím se se svým nedávným příběhem. Spadl jsem v parku ze dvou metrů ze slackliny. Rameno, hlava, zem, tma. Ležím si v trávě, po probuzení to chci jít zkusit znova, ale při vstávání a prohmatání si levého ramene a klíční kosti hned vím, že právě klíční kost to tak úplně neodpružila. Vtipné na tom bylo, že šlo o menší rande a první výuku na slacklině s mojí novou kamarádkou Lůcou. Po pár minutách je po rande a volá mi rychlou. Rentgen potvrdil mé obavy a posílají mě domů s tím, že se uvidí, jestli to bude dobře srůstat nebo jestli půjdu na operaci. Po týdnu jdu na kontrolu a jiný doktor říka, že to ASI na operaci bude, ale že je to na mně. Jsem snad doktor? Operaci jsem schválil a šel jsem pod kudlu. Po operaci přijde třetí doktor, kouká na snímky a diví se, proč mi to operovali, že by to rozhodně neoperoval. Koukám na něj s 11 cm jizvou přes celý klíček a říkám si, kde je teda pravda. Když přijdu po 14 dnech na kontrolu a ptám se čtvrtého doktora na jeho názor, co by podle prvního rentgenu udělal on, mi říká, že by to operoval na hned, že je tam kousek roztříštěné kosti. Takže podobně jako u tebe. Co doktor, to názor."
1,61336,2019-10-14T16:05:59.218Z,11139,0,14,13,15,0,0,122.8,61336,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"November 23, 2019 → November 23, 2019

* **Location:** Prague, Cross Club, Plynární 1096/23, Praha 7
* **Organisers:** @anon4062071924, @anon3353600255 @anon
* **Facilitated by:**
* **Content discussions (in English):** https://edgeryders.eu/t/proposal-of-edgeryders-festival-in-prague/11124
* **Status:** Developing process and content

* **ORGANISER CHECKLIST** : 
1. Update/Create individual event descriptions with Catchy Name for the event, URL for signup form, Description of format & process, FAQs, Logistics info (address, time, date, team info)  - [follow this template](https://edgeryders.eu/t/workshop-on-inequalities-in-the-age-of-ai-what-they-are-how-they-work-and-what-we-can-do-about-them-19-11-brussels); 
2. Give Natalia photos + statements/quotes she can use to customise design from the template: @anon
3. Organise 2 calls to develop the session topic with the confirmed speakers; conduct one on one interviews & skeleton posts with each participant: 
      * Call#1: Individual interviews with confirmed participants & produce skeleton posts _(@anon3589994963 @anon757878494 with support from @anon
      * Call#2: Group call with all confirmed participants
4. Keep track of the festival signup form and welcome/onboard each person
5. Formalise practical arrangements for speakers participation: *Travel, fees, onboard them on the process, organise schedule, collect bio info + photo + recommended reading materials for other participants etc* (individual organiser with support from @anon
6.  Make a twitter list of Europe-based people who are interested in the topics to be covered in this session then reach out to them &amp; more people to propose people or put themselves forward for the list - _( @anon757878494 - reaches out to each session organiser and asks who they want to engage, then organises outreach/comms campaign around that)_.
7. Prepare press/communication kit & send to local event calendar websites, journalists etc (@anon757878494)
8. Push out comms campaign for event via social media for event (@anon757878494)

# Frequently asked questions

### How do I get an invitation/ticket to this workshop?

This event is bringing together people who are currently directly involved in building, researching, regulating, monetising and or providing meaningful input into the wider debate around the technologies in question. We want to ensure that every participant leaves the venue having presented and discussed their work with others who can provide meaningful input or connect them with opportunities to further their professional and or personal development. If this appeals to you, then we would love to have you join us. Just [create an edgeryders account](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login) and [introduce yourself to the community here](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz).

### How is this event being organised?

This event, and the festival it is part of, is coordinated on the edgeryders platform (where you are now) and co-curated through a series of community video calls. We have allocated a collaboratively managed budget for the festival and operate on a solidarity basis. Participants who need some financial support to organise or be able to participate in the festival are eligible provided they contribute towards making it a meaningful and generative experience for all - in the run up to, during and/or after the event. If you would like to join us but are unsure as to how to contribute, don’t worry. Create an [edgeryders account](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login), then [tell us a bit about yourself here](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz) and we will guide you along from there.

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### How is this all financed?

This project has received funding from the European Union’s Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme under grant agreement No 822682.

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![Eu emblem|150x100](https://ngi.edgeryders.eu/assets/images/eu-emblem.png)

### Does getting involved mean I endorse the funders views or actions?

No. What you are doing is contributing to an open consultation on the topic of how to build a next generation of internet infrastructure, technologies, business models etc that promotes the wellbeing of humans and the natural environment. The consultation methodology is designed in such a way as to allow for diversity of views, premises, disciplines, themes and contexts. We employ open notebook science principles and the results will be presented in the form of a research report accessible to everyone after the event. You can follow the process, review the methodology and open source tech we are using and engage directly with the research and coordination team here: https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh/workspace

### What is the code of conduct?

Twoje bezpieczeństwo i wygoda są dla nas ważne - jeśli masz jakieś obawy, albo specjalne życzenia, zostaw komentarz lub napisz email do [natalia@anon

The Edgeryders online platform technology and activities are intended for people to cooperate within and across projects trying to build a better world. The word “better” has here a fairly broad range of meaning. These [Community Guidelines](https://edgeryders.eu/t/netiquette/45) are here to help you understand what it means to be a member of Edgeryders. Don’t forget that your use of Edgeryders is subject to these Community Guidelines and our [Terms of Service](https://edgeryders.eu/t/id/44).

### What happens with my data?

You can read about our [Terms of Use and Privacy Policy here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy/44). Also:

* [Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 April 2016 on the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data, and repealing Directive 95/46/EC (General Data Protection Regulation) (Text with EEA relevance)](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2016.119.01.0001.01.ENG&amp;toc=OJ:L:2016:119:TOC)
* [Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31995L0046)
* [Handbook on European Data Protection directive](http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Handbook_data_protection_ENG.pdf)
* [European Commission website - Protection of personal data](http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/)"
2,61443,2019-10-15T15:09:40.874Z,11139,2,10,9,1,0,0,32.0,61336,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"For the local connectors - I have prepared an updated version of this post for the Polish event here, with different texts, in Polish. Please use google translate, or simply your intuition :slight_smile: , to adapt this post. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/polska-poprebel/11138

For @anon4241195410 - make a copy of this page and prepare your own page for your event, once you're ready (could we do it by the end of this week, as your event is coming first?)"
3,61446,2019-10-15T15:29:04.651Z,11139,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,61443,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,"Yup. I have agreed with the organizers on general things.
We will meet tomorrow after participating on the demonstration for support of the Kurds."
4,61448,2019-10-15T15:31:38.638Z,11139,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,61336,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,I will work this template till the end of the week.
5,61455,2019-10-15T16:05:35.294Z,11139,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,61336,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"The festival call is on in case yo can't find the nr of the zoom meeting

489971765"
6,61462,2019-10-15T16:30:43.974Z,11139,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,61455,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,I am sorry...I am out of the city so I couldn't make it
7,61465,2019-10-15T16:42:34.961Z,11139,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,61443,anon4062071924,anon3593942245,"Perfect, thanks! :)"
8,61466,2019-10-15T16:43:35.814Z,11139,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,61465,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Sorry guys, I am unavailable:-/"
9,61523,2019-10-16T19:04:42.794Z,11139,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,61336,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,"Hi Natalia, 
I had the meeting with the event organizers. I have defined what are the roles. I have some ideas on how to make people post their ideas. 

Tomorrow, I will put the event description here."
10,61540,2019-10-17T07:01:57.119Z,11139,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,61523,anon3593942245,anon4241195410,"Great, looking forward to reading it. If you need a call, let me know, I won't be able to come and help with documenting as I am doing work in Slovenia at that time, but I can help you prepare everything remotely. Maybe it would be nice to have Jirka come over, or Kuba, or both, if you will need some help with anything?
Let me know, ping me when the event description is ready"
11,61541,2019-10-17T07:39:20.076Z,11139,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,61336,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,I would appreciate a call tomorrow perhaps.
12,61551,2019-10-17T10:16:14.456Z,11139,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,61541,anon3593942245,anon4241195410,"Ok, let me know, I will make sure to make time :)"
13,61585,2019-10-17T16:35:52.703Z,11139,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,61540,anon3353600255,anon3593942245,"Let me know about the schedule, a trip to Brno does not sound bad at all:) but yeah, I am not the most flexible person, will see"
14,61600,2019-10-17T18:48:22.179Z,11139,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,61585,anon4062071924,anon3353600255,"I will probably also join the trip to Brno and, of course, Honza you will be welcomed in our workshop session in cross club 23/11! :)"
15,61619,2019-10-18T08:07:07.946Z,11139,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,61336,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,"Schedule:
Friday (likely 7PM till 9PM): there will be a panel discussion about social housing. Obstacles for disadvantaged people, sky-rocketing prices, gentrification, clearing of city apartments).

Very interesting people are there to speak: Martin Freund - author of Housing First and Rapid Rehousing
then we're talking to anon4110936133 Cizinsky and Anna Sbatova (ombutsman).

Saturday and Sunday, there will be the hacanon3213561856hon itself where the participants will work out projects to address the very bad situation with housing in Bnro."
16,61625,2019-10-18T09:09:30.668Z,11139,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,61336,anon4062071924,anon3593942245,Shouldn't be this conversation moved better to #workspace untill we will have final publishable proposition? :slight_smile:   Have a nice weekend!
17,61667,2019-10-18T12:00:58.689Z,11139,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,61625,anon3593942245,anon4062071924,"It's ok, it can be here :)"
1,61594,2019-10-17T18:21:44.273Z,11170,0,17,16,110,0,0,570.4,61594,anon3346229079,anon3346229079,"<image here> 
 

Novembar 22, 2019.  Vreme: 17h30 - 20h30

* **Lokacija:**  [Narodna biblioteka Bečej](http://www.narodnabiblioteka-becej.rs/) 
* **Organizatori:**  @anon2614214130 @anon3346229079 @anon2446385507 

# Kako ohrabriti mlade da ostanu i pomognu u gradnji bolje Srbije?

Najvredniji resursi, kako svake firme - tako i svake države, su ljudi. Ako se u nešto investira, onda se investira u ljudski potencijal, jer od ljudi zavisi poslovanje neke kompanije i opstanak zajednice. Često se kaže da budućnost države zavisi od omladine i mi se slažemo. Važno je raditi sa mladima, na jačanju omladinskih kapaciteta, podržati ih u zastupanju njihovih interesa, ali pre svega - **obezbediti povoljan ambijent za razvoj i napredak mladih ljudi** .

Naš fokus je na mladima i njihovim potrebama: Kako pomoći mladima da se ostvare? Koja vrsta podrške je potrebna? Šta mogu da učine roditelji, obrazovne institucije, ustanove kulture, nevladine organizacije? Šta može da učini Opština, Centar za socijalni rad, policija, sud? Posebnu pažnju zaslužuju i mladi iz ruralnih sredina, kao i mladi koji potiču iz socijalno ugroženih porodica.

Pitanja je mnogo, a tema za razgovor još više, pa smo se složili da glavna tema ovogodišnje Edgeryers radionice bude **KREATIVNOST I PREDUZETNIŠTVO** , jer verujemo da se u ovim okvirima možemo bar dotaći svega onoga što omladina smatra da je bitno za njih. Nema jednog odgovora na sva pitanja, niti kratkoročnih, a delotvornih rešenja na sve probleme. Međutim, predlog za formiranje svojevrsnog Kreativnog centra u Bečeju smo prepoznali kao dobru inicijativu o kojoj će, između ostalog, biti reči i na ovoj radionici.

## Format

Želja nam je da se uspostavi partnerstvo ljudi, institucija, ustanova i organizacija na teritoriji opštine Bečej koji bi aktivno doprineli poboljšanju kvaliteta života bečejske omladine. U planu je izrada ankete među mladima I saradnja koji će i odrediti ‘’duh’’ naše radionice i projekta koji ćemo, ovom prilikom, predstaviti. učesnika.

**Pre radionice:**  Povezujemo se se sa školama, institucijama, ustanovama i organizacijama, sa ciljem da iniciramo partnerstvo i sprovedemo anketu među mladima, kako bi prilagodili projeanon3213561856 potrebama mladih i njih uključili u projeanon3213561856, od početka. 

**Zašto dokumentovati sve:**  Dokumentacija iz diskusija preuređuje se kako bi se osigurala privatnost učesnika/ca, a zatim postavlja na Internet za diskusiju o festivalu. To nam omogućuje da radimo niz stvari:

* Olakšano povezanon598341349je osoba sa zajedničkim ili sličnim interesima 
*Izrada visokokvalitetnog izveštaja koji sažeto prikazuje zaključke i sve što je proizašlo iz rasprava
*Stalno informisanje o novim i relevantnim prilikama za profesionalni i lični razvoj, o pratećim događajima itd.

**Program:**
* Uvodna reč, predstavljanje Edgeryders (15 min + 10 min pitanja i odgovori)
* Projeanon3213561856 ""dobrobit u Srbiji"": kako koristiti platformu, važnost naših priča i povezanon598341349ja sa drugima (10 min + 5 min pitanja i odgovori, 30 min priče drugih ljudi)
* Eko Becej (Zoli Kis): Važnost reciklaže u očuvanju čovekove okoline (10min + 5min pitanja i odgovori).
* **Upoznavanje i druzenje uz veceru**
* Nikola Čanak: Globalizacija i eksplozija informacionih tehnologija, suštinski su izmenili svet današnjice i poglede na budućnost. Da bi današnja mladež mogla steći svoje punopravno mesto u svetu budućnosti, kao neminovnost se nameće potreba modeliranja sveta, a ne njegovo imitiranje.  (30 min + 10 min pitanja i odgovori)
* Predstavljanje projekta ""Kreativni Centar"" u Bečeju (10 min + 10 min pitanja i odgovori)
* Otvorena diskusija o projektu (do kraja radionice)
## Ko dolazi?

**Dr. Nikola Čanak:** Osnivač je obrazovnog centra za permanentnu edukaciju “NTC” u Novom Sadu, profesor Univerziteta u Beogradu i Novom Sadu.

Dr. Nik je radio u 52 države sveta, poznati motivator, predavač, doktor medicinskih nauka, profesor komunikologije, majstor džudo borilačke vještine, instruktor klizanja, stipednista Fulbrajtove fondacije, autor 13 knjiga iz komunikologije, mrežnog marketinga, psihologije uspjeha. 

**Eko Bečej:** Udruženje građana  **ekoBečej**  iz Bečeja, je nevladina socijalno humanitarna i nestranačka organizacija. Njihova misija su ekologija i ekonomija na prvom mestu, održivi razvoj, unapređenje životne sredine i korišćenje obnovljivih energetskih resursa itd.

# Često postavljena pitanja:

### Kako da dobijem pozivnicu/kartu za ovu radionicu?

Mozete se direktno registrovati [ovde](https://tell.edgeryders.eu/blagostanje)

Ovaj  događaj okuplja ljude koji su trenutno direktno uključeni u izgradnju, istražanon598341349je, regulaciju, unovčavanje i pružanje smislenog doprinosa širokoj raspravi o tehnologijama o kojima je reč. Želimo da osiguramo da svaki/a učesnik/ca sa radionice ode bogatiji/a za mnoštvo novih kontaanon3213561856a od osoba koje mu/joj mogu pružiti doprinos ili ih povezati s mogućnostima za dalji profesionalni i lični razvoj. Ako vam se ovo sviđa, voleli bismo da nam se pridružite. Samo [se registrujte ovde](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login) i [predstavite se zajednici ovde]( https://tell.edgeryders.eu/blagostanje).

### Kako se organizuje ovaj event?

**Kako se organizuje ovaj event?**

Ovaj događaj, i festival čiji je deo, koordiniran je na platformi Edgeryders (gde ste sada) i koproduciran kroz niz videopoziva u zajednici. Raspodelili smo zajednički budžet festivala i delujemo na temelju solidarnosti. Učesnici/ce kojima je potrebna finansijska podrška, da bi se organizovali/e ili učestvovali/e na festivalu, ispunjavaju uslove ako doprinesu na način da to ima smisla za sve - u pripremi do, za vreme i / ili nakon događaja. Ako želite da nam se pridružite, ali niste sigurni kako da date svoj doprinos, ne brinite. Napravite [edgeryders nalog](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login), a zatim [nam recite nešto o sebi ovde](https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh/tell-us-about-you ), A mi ćemo vam dalje pomoći i povezati vas sa osobama relevantnim za vas.

Mi, @anon3346229079  @anon2614214130 i @anon2446385507 , organizujemo ovaj  događaj (event) u okviru **Edgeryders festivala** koji se održava u ovom periodu u više zemalja centralne i istočne Evrope. Program se realizuje u saradnji sa srednjim školama na teritoriji opštine Bečej. Osobe koje su pozvane kao učesnici su tu zato što imaju izuzetno životno iskustvo i znanje kojim će doprineti uspešnoj radionici i obogaćenju svih nas.

### Kako je sve ovo finansirano?

![Eu emblem|150x100](https://ngi.edgeryders.eu/assets/images/eu-emblem.png)
Ovaj je projekt dobio finansijska sredstva iz programa Europske unije za istražanon598341349je i inovacije Horizont 2020. u skladu s sporazumom o grantu br 822682.

### Znači li participacija u projektu da podržavam stavove ili postupke onih koji ih finansiraju?

Ne. Vašim učešćem doprinosite otvorenom savetovanju na temu izgradnje internetske infrastrukturu nove generacije, tehnologije, poslovnih modela, itd., u cilju promocije dobrobiti ljudi i vaše zajednice. Metodologija savetovanja dizajnirana je na način koji omogućava različitost pogleda, ideja, disciplina, tema i konteksta. Koristimo pristup pune transparentnosti i rezultati će biti predstavljeni u obliku izveštaja o istražanon598341349ju, koji će biti dostupan svima nakon događaja. Možete pratiti postupak, pregledati metodologiju i tehnologiju otvorenog koda koju koristimo i direktno sarađivati ​​sa timom za istražanon598341349je i koordinaciju ovde: https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh/workspace

### Koja su pravila ponasanja? 

Tehnologija i aktivnosti mrežne platforme Edgeryders namenjeni su ljudima koji sarađuju unutar i između projeanon3213561856a koji pokušavaju izgraditi bolji svet. Reč ""bolji"" ovde ima prilično široko značenje. Ovaj [ugovor zajednice](https://edgeryders.eu/t/drustveni-ugovor-nase-zajednice/10480) i https://edgeryders.eu/t/netiquette/45 su tu da vam pomognu razumeti šta znači biti član Edgerydera. Nemojte zaboraviti da je vaša upotreba Edgerydera predmet ovih pravila nase zajednice [Pravila nase zajednice](https://edgeryders.eu/t/drustveni-ugovor-nase-zajednice/10480).

### Sta se desava sa mojim podacima?

Sve o tome na [Terms of Use and Privacy Policy here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy/44). Takodje:

* [Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 April 2016 on the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data, and repealing Directive 95/46/EC (General Data Protection Regulation) (Text with EEA relevance)](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2016.119.01.0001.01.ENG&amp;toc=OJ:L:2016:119:TOC)
* [Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data](http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31995L0046)
* [Handbook on European Data Protection directive](http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Handbook_data_protection_ENG.pdf)
* [European Commission website - Protection of personal data](http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/)"
2,61614,2019-10-18T07:39:27.389Z,11170,0,15,14,21,0,0,108.0,61594,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,
1,61587,2019-10-17T16:45:14.183Z,11169,0,11,10,14,0,0,87.2,61587,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"November 23, 2019 → November 23, 2019

* **Organizer:** [@anon
](https://edgeryders.eu/u/anon
* **Location:** Belgrade
* **Status:** Program is developed and outreach to other experts and potential participants ongoing
* **Budget needs:**
  * cca 1000 (venue and some nice food)
* **Next steps:**
  * Finalizing planning of facilitation
  * Finding location
  * Outreach to potential participants

**Confirmed featured participants:**

-Dusan Cavic and Dusan Saponja -journalists who are very familiar with the main topics and who investigate lives of the people who live on the edge or those who are making actions towards changing our environment.

* **Next steps** : Finalize venue planning, co-ordinate local outreach with EdgeRyders, finalize budget planning
**Summary** :
Very welcoming workshop which is also a first EdgeRyders event in Serbia. Main topics: How important is human interaction and collaboration

**Plan:**
The event will be divided into two parts:

1. Storytelling- speakers will introduce their stories. We are planning to have 3-4 storytellers.This part lasts for about 2h. After introduction we all have lunch and spend time together.

2. Open discussion about human interaction and collaboration. Hopefully others would also like to talk about their stories and things they find important.

Since the main topics are about human interaction and collaboration that's exactly what we are focusing upon the whole event. The goal here is for the people to get to know each other and to make some good contacts. For those who like to do things on their own and not to wait for the institutions to do that for them. Introduce the EdgeRyders community to them to consider that platform as a valid place where they can contact with those of same thinking, to ease that connecting.

# Cesto postavljena pitanja:

### Kako da dobijem pozivnicu/kartu za ovu radionicu?

Ovaj događaj okuplja ljude koji su trenutno izravno uključeni u izgradnju, istražanon598341349je, regulaciju, unovčavanje i pružanje smislenog doprinosa širokoj raspravi o tehnologijama o kojima je riječ. Želimo osigurati da svaki sudionik napusti mjesto predstavljanja i rasprave o svom radu s drugima koji im mogu pružiti smislen doprinos ili ih povezati s mogućnostima za daljnji profesionalni i osobni razvoj. Ako vam se ovo sviđa, voljeli bismo da nam se pridružite. Samo [se registrujte ovde](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login) i [predstavite se zajednici ovde](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/rs).

### Kako se organizuje ovaj event?

Ovaj događaj, i festival čiji je deo, koordiniran je na platformi edgeryders (gde ste sada) i koproduciran kroz niz videopoziva u zajednici. Raspodelili smo zajednički budzet festivala i delujemo na bazi solidarnosti. Ucesnici kojima je potrebna financijska podrška da bi se organizovali ili mogli ucestvovati na festivalu ispunjavaju uslove pod uslovom da doprinesu tome na nacin da to ima smisla za sve - u pripremi do, za vreme i / ili nakon događaja. Ako se želite pridružiti nama, ali niste sigurni kako dati svoj doprinos, ne brinite. Napravite [edgeryders račun](https://communities.edgeryders.eu/login), a zatim [nam recite nešto o sebi ovde](https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh/tell-us-about-you), A mi ćemo vam dalje pomoci i povezati vas sa osobama relevantnim za vas.

Organizujem ovaj dogadjaj sa ciljem da upoznam ljude u Srbiji sa EdgeRyders zajednicom, da povezemo ljude koji zele nesto da promene i da promena krene od njih. Takodje da oni koji tek krecu ka realizaciji svojih ideja dobiju validne savete i odredjena znaja pd uspesnih ljudi koji su vec prolazili kroz takve stvari.

### Kako je sve ovo finansirano?

![Eu emblem|150x100](https://ngi.edgeryders.eu/assets/images/eu-emblem.png)
Ovaj je projekt dobio financijska sredstva iz programa Europske unije za istražanon598341349je i inovacije Horizont 2020. u skladu s sporazumom o grantu br 822682.

### Znači li participacija u projektu da podržavam stavove ili postupke onih koji ih financiraju?

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2,61615,2019-10-18T07:39:59.158Z,11169,0,7,6,4,0,0,21.4,61587,anon2446385507,anon2614214130,
1,61224,2019-10-13T10:47:30.707Z,11121,0,8,7,11,0,0,86.6,61224,anon1509586794,anon1509586794,"http://www.essexeffectivesupport.org.uk/media/1012/social-work-lecture-series.jpg?mode=max&width=830&upscale=false&rnd=131533348770000000

Osm let jsem byla dobrovolnicí v jedné neziskovce zaměřující se na podporu dětí ze sociálně znevýhodněných rodin. Spočívalo to v tom, že jsem se několikrát v měsíci potkávala s jedním konkrétním dítětem, na které jeho vlastní rodiče neměli z různých důvodů čas.

Za tu dobu jsme toho s mým malým parťákem (říkejme mu třeba Adam) prožili spoustu  – přes odřená kolena na dětském hřišti, řešení prvních lásek až výběru střední školy a reflexi první kocoviny – často si říkám, že jsme vlastně pořád teprve na začátku.

V letošním roce jsem oficiální působení ukončila, jelikož mé „dítě“ dosáhlo už před časem maximální možné doby účasti v programu a ačkoliv bych dál mohla působit jako aktivní člen v rámci organizace, nechtěla jsem pod vlivem vývoje Adamovi rodinné situace být dál vázaná dobrovolnickou smlouvou, která má určitá specifika ve vztahu k organizaci i rodičům dítěte.

Za poslední dva roky se totiž Adamova situace s přírůstkem dalšího dítěte do rodiny výrazně zhoršila. Adamova anon681684766 přestala celou situaci zvládat, rezignovala snad na všechny činnosti týkající se chodu domácnosti a péče o děti a začala na celou rodinu vyvíjet manipulativní nátlak. Adamova devítiletá sestra se v důsledku toho začala projevovat vzdorovitě, destruktivně, agresivně a opakovaně vyhrožovala sebevraždou. Na základě toho ji Adamova anon681684766 začala vodit kamsi na dětskou terapii, kterou dle dobrovolnice Adamovi sestry (v programu jsou obě děti) holčička nesla velmi těžko a chodila tam se strachem. Adam sám začal trpět nespavostí, depresemi a místo školy trávil čas na brigádách, aby mohl být co nejvíce soběstačný, nakoupit domů pro sourozence základní potraviny a eliminovat co nejvíce styk s matkou.

V rámci dobrovolnické organizace jsme spolu s koordinátorkami dlouhodobě upozorňovali na zhoršování situace a nutnost zásahu „sociálky“. Nikoliv s cílem potenciálního „odebírání“ dětí, ale z důvodu potřeby mediace nezávislou stranou, která má nástroje, jak v dané situaci jednat.

Jejich přístup dlouhodobě řekněme minimálně velmi chladný. V rámci dobrovolnické organizace se šuškalo, že Adamova rodina bohužel spadá do městské části, s jejímž orgánem sociálně právní ochrany dětí (OSPOD) nejsou dlouhodobě dobré zkušenosti, což se bohužel skutečně potvrdilo. Adam už mezitím sám přemýšlel o tom, že půjde svou vlastní matku „hlásit“ i s tím rizikem, že bude muset na nějakou dobu do dětského domova.

Sociální pracovnice se po půl roce urgencí nakonec k Adamovi domů dostavila, strávila tam zhruba hodinu, přislíbila, že příště pohovoří i s Adamem a tím řešení celé situace na dlouhou dobu opět usnulo. S Adamem doteď nikdo nemluvil.

I přes to postupně dochází k pozitivnímu obratu. Matce Adama byla koordinátory dobrovolnického programu pro děti doporučena organizace zaměřující se na práci s rodinou jako celkem a Adamova anon681684766 bude pravděpodobně ochotná do ni s manželem i dětmi docházet. V rámci sociálně právní ochrany dětí ale vzájemné sdílení informací mezi organizacemi není možné, tudíž organizace A nemůže nic konkrétního sdělit organizaci B a už vůbec nikdo netuší, kdo provozuje zmiňovanou „dětskou terapii“, které se Adamova sestra děsí.

Oprávnění sdružovat o případu všechny informace má pouze výše zmíněný, nejméně činný OSPOD, jehož přístup je v tomto případu minimálně velmi laxní. Tím nechci jakkoliv znevážit činnost tohoto orgánu, ale pokud samo dospívající dítě volá po jeho pomoci, měl by v tomto případě být jeho zásah jasnou prioritou.

Napadá Vás někoho, kam by se dalo obrátit o pomoc? Mohu jako občan podat k nějaké vyšší instanci žádost o přezkoumání činnosti sociálního pracovníka?"
2,61228,2019-10-13T13:20:18.844Z,11121,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,61224,anon4062071924,anon1509586794,"Ahoj Iveto, díky moc za silný příběh! Nejsem si jistý, jestli ti jsem schopen odpovědět v kontextu ""vyšší instance"", ale myslím, že by možná pomohlo podal stížnost (např. elektronickou formou) na laxnost přístupu celého OSPODu - co myslíš? Přikládám link níže... Máte s tím, vy ostatní, nějaké zkušenosti, nebo tip, jak to vyřešit? 
https://www.kr-stredocesky.cz/web/socialni-oblast/podavani-a-vyrizovani-stiznosti-na-vykon-spo-kusk"
3,61458,2019-10-15T16:22:27.647Z,11121,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,61228,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Ahoj, to je první věc, která mě také napadla. Nejsem si jistý, jakou roli v tomhlůe můžou například sehrát samotní rodiče - zda mohou oficálně zažádat o předání kopie ""složky"" nové asistenční sliužbě přímo u konkrétních zodpovědných pracovníků, pokud tedy samozřejmě mají sami o takovou aktivitu zájem. Jako zákonní zástupci nezletilého, by ovšem nárok na sdělení informací mít tusím měli."
4,61542,2019-10-17T07:51:16.738Z,11121,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,61224,anon4241195410,anon1509586794,"ahoj, zkusim se taky poptat."
1,58549,2019-08-29T08:31:39.454Z,10640,0,16,15,9,0,0,63.2,58549,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Po miesiącach zbierania historii i szukania ciekawych tekstów i aktywnych użytkowników, możemy podzielić się pierwszymi dobrymi wiadomościami - @anon750699873 i @anon2734079508, autorki dwóch historii, są pierwszymi laureatkami naszego konkursu. Mamy jeszcze 18 nagród o wartości 200 eur do rozdania - wystarczy napisać o swoich doświadczeniach życia w Polsce (można chwalić, ganić, konstruktywnie krytykować) i brać czynny udział w dyskusji na platformie - przeczytać inny tekst, zostawić komentarz, podzielić się opinią, dać komuś radę. Zapraszamy was do udziału. 

Dlaczego wybraliśmy te teksty? W ciekawy sposób ukazują one personalne i profesjonalne tło życia w Polsce, zanon1547754019nia z pokusą ucieczki (która kończy się dla nich różnie) i która jest palącym tematem - młodzi profesjonaliści w Polsce wciąż się przenoszą, albo do Warszawy, albo do Londynu, Berlina, Amsterdamu. Historie te opowiadają o byciu kobietą w Polsce, trochę inną, niż ""pozostałe kobiety"", o ile w ogóle ktokolwiek potrzebuje tej szerokiej, normalnej anon3213561856egorii. O finansowych zanon1547754019niach, marzeniach, chęci kształtowania świata wokół nich. O marnej emeryturze w perspektywie i aktywiźmie. O mieszkaniu w stolicy i w małej miejscowości (nie wiemy, gdzie Ala jest, co sprawia, że jakoś łatwiej jest mi się z tym utożsamić bez przyklejania stereotypów do tej lokalizacji. Mała polska miejscowość, którą widzę tak, jak ta, z której sama pochodzę). 

Zachęcam was gorąco do czytania, komentowania i do napisania własnych przemyśleń. Dzięki, dziewczyny, za odwagę i aktywność.

Ala: [Fajterka](https://edgeryders.eu/t/fajterka/10476)

Paula: [Dlaczego zostałam eduanon3213561856orką seksualną](https://edgeryders.eu/t/dlaczego-zostalam-eduanon3213561856orka-seksualna/)

PS. Zapraszamy was też do pogadania z Paulą o edukacji seksualnej w najbliższy wtorek, 3 września, o godzinie 19, na bezpłatnej, otwartej wirtualnej kawiarence. 

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After months of collecting stories and attempting at building an active, vibrant community around the topics of well/being in Poland, we finally settled on two first stories that deserve the attention and the prizes we have set aside for the authors of interesting stories who also participate in the discussion (leave comments, discuss with others, share ideas). 

I've been especially moved by the candid stories from @anon750699873 and @anon2734079508 - two very different scenarios, two very different paths taken by strong, motivated and driven young ladies, who took up topics that are contentious, challenging, sometimes dangerous to deal with in Poland. They're nicely mixing the personal and the professional, painting a broader picture of how their lives have unfolded in these circumstances - growing up in the capital city and leaving for a better life abroad, or coming back to a small town somewhere in Poland with a difficult challenge. There's so much about young people's existence in these stories - the precarious conditions in which we live, the uncertainty of the future, sometimes even physical danger in which we find ourselves because of who we are.

I strongly encourage you to read and get inspired to share your own experience - we have a whole bag of prizes still to be given away for best stories from Poland, Czech Republic and Serbia (remember, you have to be an active member of the community as well to get it). 

Ala: [Fajterka](https://edgeryders.eu/t/fajterka/10476) - Story of an activist who comes back to her small hometown to continue her activism and educational mission, despite not fitting the ""norms"" and ideas people around her seem to protect very strongly. 

Paula: [Dlaczego zostałam eduanon3213561856orką seksualną](https://edgeryders.eu/t/dlaczego-zostalam-eduanon3213561856orka-seksualna/) - A different scenario of a capital born and raised educator who decides to leave Poland, despite her great passion for sex education in her home. She continues the mission by learning and working abroad and bringing these experience back home whenever possible."
2,58557,2019-08-29T11:10:35.929Z,10640,2,11,10,1,0,0,17.2,58549,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Great choice!

Well done @anon2734079508 and @anon750699873!!
Looking forward to see what your plans are, and what comes out of the community calls next weeks,"
3,58561,2019-08-29T11:40:09.713Z,10640,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,58557,anon2693311786,anon2446385507,"Super, cieszę się. @anon750699873 fajnie, że działasz z nami."
4,58669,2019-09-02T11:36:06.085Z,10640,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,58557,anon750699873,anon2446385507,"Whoa, I am surprised but happy :blush: actually i didn't thought at all bout any price because it was just nice and enriching to speak with interviewer and to try to look at own way of thinging about social problems in Poland from bigger perspective."
5,60588,2019-10-03T15:33:56.034Z,10640,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,58549,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Hej, chciałbym zaproponować @anon1274458134 do naszej nagrody. Jego wkład w naszą dyskusję jest bardzo cenny...
@anon"
6,60826,2019-10-07T15:12:49.335Z,10640,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,58549,anon2734079508,anon3593942245,"Dziekuje, bardzo mi milo! Thank you, I'm so happy :)"
7,61502,2019-10-16T11:02:47.175Z,10640,1,6,5,2,0,0,16.2,60588,anon1274458134,anon2693311786,"Wow, dziękuję serdecznie za nominację :) Swoją drogą, ciekaw jestem, czy oprócz historii @anon750699873 i @anon2734079508 jeszcze jakieś historie zostały nagrodzone?"
8,61510,2019-10-16T13:25:01.087Z,10640,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,61502,anon3593942245,anon1274458134,"Póki co nie, bo koniecznością była też aktywność na forum - niewiele osób wdało się w rozmowę póki co. Przepraszam za opóźnienie z tym, ale mamy teraz ogrom pracy z organizacją spotkania w Polsce, Czechach i Serbii i ciągle zapominam się tym zająć."
9,61511,2019-10-16T13:26:27.544Z,10640,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,61510,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Prawdopodobnie zrobimy to już po końcu listopada, będzie wtedy większa liczba historii do nagrodzenia i naszej administratorce łatwiej będzie wypłacić kilka nagród na raz - za pierwszym razem daliśmy dwie na zachętę, bo i tak nie było komu. Może tak być @anon1274458134 ?"
10,61538,2019-10-17T06:23:48.964Z,10640,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,61511,anon1274458134,anon3593942245,"Oczywiście :) wszystko rozumiem. Zastanawiałem się tylko czy nagrody są przyznawane na bieżąco, czy dopiero po jakiejś cezurze czasowej/zebraniu odpowiedniej ilości historii. Co prawda zamieszczając historię nie liczyłem na żadną gratyfikację, z drugiej jednak strony możliwość jej otrzymania działa motywująco. Zdecydowanie częściej tu zaglądam i czytam historie innych osób, a jeśli coś mnie poruszy - komentuję :slight_smile:"
11,61539,2019-10-17T07:00:27.820Z,10640,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,61538,anon3593942245,anon1274458134, cenzurą jest tylko czas naszych administratorów - wolę zebrać kilka nagród i oszczędzić im pojedynczych posiedzeń :) bardzo miło jest mi to czytać! a ja dziękuję za szczerą rozmowę i dzielenie się poglądami!
1,61012,2019-10-09T14:00:47.118Z,11071,0,10,9,3,0,0,32.0,61012,anon3662578317,anon3662578317,"Każdy z nas chyba najczęściej odczuwa wolność jako możliwość wyboru. W zasadzie wybieramy non stop, czasami te nasze wybory są dla nas tak oczywiste i/lub tak automatyczne, że nie wiemy, że wybieramy.
Dlatego tak bardzo wkurza mnie fakt niskich frekwencji wyborczych w Polsce! W związku z tym, że jestem po 50-tce, pamiętam jeszcze czasy ""jedynych słusznych wyborów"" i nie mogę się ciągle nadziwić, że jako społeczeństwo tak masowo uciekamy od wolności wyboru. Sprawdziłam statystyki, poza wydarzeniami przełomowymi (1989) w wyborach parlamentarnych rzadko udaje się przekroczyć 50%. Więcej emocji budzą wybory prezydenckie (chociaż w praktyce są mniej istotne) bo wtedy zazwyczaj frekwencja jest wyższa. 
Wyobraźcie sobie, że około połowy z nas nie chce decydować kto będzie w Polsce rządził! Zazwyczaj przed i po wyborach wypytuję znajomych czy się wybierają albo czy głosowali. Jest mi przykro słuchać tych wszystkich wymówek: __i tak już wiadomo kto wygra, jakoś_mieliśmy inne plany na ten dzień, właściwie to nie anon1235093333łem na kogo głosować,_ _ itp. Za to po wyborach jest mnóstwo osób chętnych do krytykowania: władzy, opozycji, głupiego narodu, który tak wybrał. 
Akurat teraz u steru władzy jest opcja polityczna, za którą nie przepadam (bardzo łagodnie powiedziane) i można sądzić, jak twierdzą niektórzy na podstawie sondaży, że jest już pozaanon1235093333tane. Jednak wierzę w to, że wygrywają Ci wyborcy, którzy nie uciekają od własnych wyborów. Mi po prostu łatwiej byłoby przyjąć wyniki wyborów - jakie by one nie były - gdybym wiedziała, że tak chciała większość Polaków, a nie 50% z 50%!
Przewidywania są takie, że w najbliższą niedzielę do urn pójdzie rekordowo dużo ludzi. Niech tak będzie. Ruszcie tyłki i zagłosujcie! To właśnie jest dialog."
2,61267,2019-10-14T07:33:31.036Z,11071,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,61012,anon3593942245,anon3662578317,"Witamy po wyborach @anon3662578317 - jak się czujesz z wynikami?

Jestem zaskoczona, że frekwencja była tak niska - stałam 2 godziny w kolejce w Berlinie, a po mnie była ona jeszcze dłuższa, więc dałam się ponieść iluzji, że w tym roku elektorat się zmobilizował i naprawdę chcemy głosować. Może bardziej zależy nam na tym, paradoksalnie, za granicą, niż w kraju - bo znowu nie dobiliśmy do połowy!

Nigdy też nie spotkałam się z takimi wymówkami, jak inne plany - u mnie w domu głosowanie było obowiązkowe, i zdarzało się zwykle obok planów, bo przecież nie jest tak trudno ich pogodzić. 

Jak myślisz, skąd ta polityczna i obywatelska apatia? Czy obserwujesz ją wśród swoich rówieśników, czy osób w każdych grupach wiekowych? Ciekawe, czego chce niegłosująca połowa narodu - czy jest im wszystko obojętne, czy ich zgorzknienie wynikające z tego, jak Polska się rozwija, zawładnęło resztą? 

Szkoda, ze nie mozemy sobie pogratulowac dzisiaj ani wyników, ani frekwencji."
3,61339,2019-10-14T16:13:04.000Z,11071,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,61267,anon3662578317,anon3593942245,"No cóż, wyniki raczej nie są zaskoczeniem. Miałam nadzieję, że PiS nie będzie anon1235093333ło większości sejmowej. Za to Senat odbity.

Staram się patrzeć na rzeczywistość pogodnie. Bardzo mi się podobał komentarz Adama Michnika cytującego L. Kołakowskiego „Żadne zwycięstwo nie jest ostateczne, żadna porażka nie jest definitywna”.

Cieszę się, że mimo wszystko Sejm się trochę zmieni, pojawią się nowe osoby, to pozytyw.

Jeśli chodzi o frekwencję, to na nasze warunki niby wysoka. Dla mnie – nie. Pytasz skąd obywatelska apatia?

Większość jednak poszła. Chyba zawdzięczamy to ładnej pogodzie J.

A 40% nie poszło. Myślę sobie, że to kwestia świadomości, a ściślej jej braku.

Część nie poszła bo uznała, że wynik jest przesądzony i nie wie jakie są zasady dzielenia mandatów, czyli im więcej dany komitet uzyska głosów, tym więcej otrzyma mandatów. Ma więc znaczenie z jaką przewagą dane ugrupowanie wygra lub przegra.

Kolejna grupa nie głosuje bo nie czuje, że dla ich konkretnych losów istotne jest kto rządzi. Tu zapewne podgrupa –„ i tak wszyscy kradną”.

No i grupa wygodnych – „wystarczy, że pójdą inni”.

To duże uproszczenie, pewnie jest to bardziej złożone.

Przyjmuję, że jako społeczeństwo uczymy się obywatelskości.

Wokół mnie prawie wszyscy głosują. Stąd pewnie moje oczekiwanie, że to powszechne –niestety ulegam ciągle jeszcze złudzeniu, że Ci wokół mnie są reprezentatywni. Okazuje się, że nie.

Pzdr,

anon3662578317"
4,61442,2019-10-15T15:05:40.173Z,11071,2,9,8,1,0,0,16.8,61012,anon2162742776,anon3662578317,"A ja trochę nie rozumiem, skąd to ciśnienie na 'frekwencję'. Nie każdy się interesuje polityką, to po prostu fakt. Może tam kojarzymy PiS, PO(KO), ale generalnie, żeby znać program, postulaty, to już nie każdy. Ba - mniejszość. A jeśli ktoś ma głosować na podstawie jakichś niejasnych przesłanek - co za różnica, czy będzie głosował w ogóle? Można byłoby równie dobrze zrobić losowanie. 

PS. Michnik to średni autorytet do cytowania. Kołakowski bardziej, zaiste. Zatem może jednak byłoby milej od razu przejść do autora danej myśli, aniżeli do wątpliwej, a już na pewno kontrowersyjnej sławy cytującego."
5,61474,2019-10-15T18:22:57.000Z,11071,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,61442,anon3662578317,anon2162742776,"Cześć,

Raczej nie chodzi mi o frekwencję dla frekwencji tylko o to, żeby ludzie dokonywali wyborów. To oczywiście wyanon1547754019 pewnego wysiłku. Nie trzeba być super obeznanym politycznie, żeby wiedzieć jaka opcja polityczna jest zbieżna z naszymi poglądami, a do jakiej jest nam bardzo daleko.

Ludzie kupując coś przez internet spędzają godziny porównując oferty i produkty, żeby tylko kupić najlepsze i najlepiej najtańsze. A rzadko, który produkt tak bardzo wpływa jednak na nasze życie jak rządzący krajem.

A jeśli chodzi o cytaty, to rozumiem, że bardziej chciałeś wyrazić osobisty stosunek do Panów. Rozumiem. Ja akurat cenię obydwu.

<img src='/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2485d26919316b1d80aa60f5ca8e2cb5bc0275fe.jpeg' width='45' height='45'>"
6,61495,2019-10-16T09:09:18.393Z,11071,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,61442,anon1274458134,anon2162742776,"anon2162742776ie, bardzo ciekawy głos. Odnośnie wyborów i demokracji. Wydaje mi się, że uczyniliśmy z tych dwóch słów coś na kształt ""świeckiego bożka"". Mam dość krytyczny stosunek do całego tego cyrku zwanego kampanią wyborczą, choć z racji zainteresowań i po części z uwagi na pracę zawodową obserwuję co się dzieje w tej politycznej nawalance. Mam jasno sprecyzowane poglądy polityczne, na wybory chodzę, ale jednocześnie daleko mi od wyrażania radości ze ""święta demokracji"" i uważania tego za obywatelski obowiązek. Demokracja parlamentarna obarczona jest licznymi wadami, największą jest moim zdaniem to, że to tak naprawdę jedna wielka iluzja i konkurs w manipulacji masami. Co wybory zastanawiam się czy nie należy tego olać, jednak wygrywa we mnie przyzwyczajenie i wkładana do głów od 30 lat propaganda, że ""Twój głos ma znaczenie"""
1,60630,2019-10-04T07:38:51.723Z,11016,0,13,12,639,0,0,3227.6,60630,anon4241195410,anon4241195410,"_Přes léto 2019 se v Brně zformovala Brněnská klimatická koalice. Koalice v současnosti čítá asi třicet spolků, organizací a institucí. Cílem této koalice je spolupráce a jednotný postup při řešení nejdůležitějších environmentálních a klimatických témat na Brněnsku. První velkou společnou akcí Koalice bylo uspořádání brněnské části zářijového Týdne pro klima, jehož se ve více než padesáti městech po celé republice zúčastnily desítky tisíc lidí. Pojďme ale popořadě. Je jaro 2019 a i do Brna se z tuzemska i ze světa nezadržitelně valí zprávy o klimatických a environmentálních problémech._

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Pro mě to začalo takhle. Na jaře 2019 jsem zrovna začal nacházet svůj snad budoucí smysl a náplň pracovního života - obrovský vzdělávací projekt zaměřený na vodu, které připravujeme na Bioskopu na Masarykově univerzitě. Kvůli projektu i kvůli sobě jsem si potřeboval trochu osahat prostředí environmentálních hnutí v Brně. Začal jsem proto docházet na všechny možné enviro přednášky a taky jsem se vtíral na různé schůzky a nebo jsem zkoušel nějaké schůzky organizovat. Ale hlavně na začátku, když jsem nikoho neznal (protože jsem byl dlouho v zahraničí), tak to bylo někdy trapný:). 

Nicméně na několika přednáškách jsem potkal Frantu Kotase z Extinction Rebellion, párkrát jsme se zakecali a pak to šlo celkem rychle. Párkrát jsme si tehdy řekli, že by bylo fajn, kdyby se všechny  enviro hnutí a iniciativy v Brně dokázali jednou za čas scházet a že na těch setkáních by se řešil společný postup ohledně nejdůležitějších enviro a klima otázek. Ty rozhovory nebyly nijak konkrétní, nicméně anon76040471 jednou přišel s tím, že všechny obepsal a že to setkání svolal.

Byl květen 2019, a najednou jsme seděli na prvním setkání tehdy ještě nepojmenované Brněnské klimatické koalice. Od té doby jsme se potkali cca patnáctkrát, a to buď celoplenárně  nebo v menších pracovních skupinách. Vedoucí roli začala velmi brzy hrát Lucka Smolková z Fridays for Future. Nicméně na setkáních se vystřídali zástupci a zástupkyně opravdu mnoha uskupení. Krom Fridays for Future taky Extinction Rebellion, Institut Veronica, Centrum experimentálního divadla, Limity jsme my, Environmentalistika FSS, Strana zelených a Mladí zelení, Nesehnutí, Rodiče za klima, hnutí Duha, Lipka, Doctors for future, Děti Země, Nadace Partnerství, Na Zemi, Rezekvítek, Brno na kole, Brno kulturní, Dejchej Brno, hnutí Brontosaurus, Platforma pro udržitelný rozvoj, Fakta o klimatu, Greenpeace, Větvení, Trash Heroes a taky spousta jednotlivců, včetně  mě. 

Na začátek jsme si dali za cíl dvě zásadní věci:
Tou první bylo uspořádání Týdne pro klima, což byla týdenní série událostí, která měla přivést pozornost k problematice probíhající environmentální a klimatické krize. My a naši partneři jsme uspořádali celou řadu debat, workshopů, seminářů a kulturních akcí. Týden pro klima byl zahájen páteční stávkou za klima a zakončen následující pátek kulturně-vzdělávacím odpolednem v Brně s koncerty a informačními stánky. Na této akci jsme také oficiálně představili brněnskou klimatickou koalici a taky naši druhou stěžejní aktivitu.
Tou je výzva brněnskému zastupitelstvu, aby se přihláilo se ke své odpovědnosti a pravdivě informovalo veřejnost o probíhající environmentální a klimatické krizi. Ve výzvě dále požadujeme, aby  zastupitelstvo přijalo účinná opatření směřující ke snížení dopadů této krize na své obyvatele. Výzvu jde stále ještě podepsat, například u mě nebo u většiny zmíněných hnutí.

Naším dalším cílem je přednesení výzvy zastupitelstvu města Brna. Držme si palce!"
2,60674,2019-10-04T12:34:24.147Z,11016,1,11,10,2,0,0,17.2,60630,anon3593942245,anon4241195410,we already have some environmental activists on the platform - @anon
3,60676,2019-10-04T12:39:06.521Z,11016,0,10,9,2,0,0,12.0,60674,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,"indeed, this would be interesting to hear"
4,61314,2019-10-14T12:10:15.420Z,11016,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,60630,anon242998772,anon4241195410,"Ahoj :) až do roku 2018 jsem se o stav přírody a půdy v ČR téměř nezajímal, až jsem si zapsal předmět na VŠE Enviromentální hlediska managementu. Profesor podával látku lidsky a donutil nás se zamyslet nad způsobem, jakým konzumujeme produkty přes potraviny po oblečení, jak nakládáme s vodou atd. Je úplně jedno jakou poruchou Greta trpí, jestli je do toho tlačena ze strany rodičů atd. důležité je, že ona a organizace jako ta vaše přivádí pozornost na toto zásadní téma. Díky za to!!"
5,61319,2019-10-14T13:28:03.135Z,11016,1,9,8,2,0,0,16.8,61314,anon4241195410,anon242998772,"Ahoj Kryštofe,
Díky za tvůj vhled. Myslím, že - podobně jako ty - hodně lidí začne vnímat toto téma intenzivněji než dřív a víc se ztotožňovat s tím, že na životním prostředí a jeho kvalitě jsme všichni závislí.
Je prokázáno, že bohatší společnosti lépe pečují o své životní prostředí. Může to být i tak, že společnosti se stávájí bohatšími právě proto, že dokáží lépe pečovat o své okolí?"
6,61461,2019-10-15T16:30:09.159Z,11016,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,61319,anon3353600255,anon4241195410,"Ahoj, to je dobrá otázka, věřím však tomu, že i v ""chudších"" společnostech může existovat obecně citlivější vtah k vlastnímu životnímu prostředí. Vzpomněl jsme si na tuhle mapu jednoho projektu z Yalu, která naznačuje, že třeba země Latinské Ameriky (teda před nástupem Bolsonara:/) Získávají podobná ohodnocení jako státy středovýchodní Evropy. 
https://epi.envirocenter.yale.edu/results-overview"
1,59208,2019-09-12T13:01:55.969Z,10763,0,12,11,6,0,0,32.4,59208,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej, chciałbym Was podpytać o Wasze motywacje dotyczące organizacji Otwartego Forum 20.11.2019. Ja już zacząłem intesnywnie wewnętrznie nad tym pracować  i uruchaanon1235093333 mi się masa rzeczy. Chętnie się z Wami nimi wkrótce podzielę. Jedną, bardzo silną matywacją dla mnie w tym momencie jest wejście w energie lidera, który moblizuje ludzi do działania w imię wartości, w które wierzę. To dla mnie nowe, tzn. pierwszy raz świadomie w to w ten sposób wchodzę. Najlepsze, że w zasadzie wcale o to nie prosiłem, to mnie samo ""znalazło"", a dla ścisłości nie pozwalało funkcjonować, dopóki tego nie wniosłem tego świadomie do naszego świata. A Wam co się uruchaanon1235093333? Jakie pokłady w Was drzemią? Obawy może? @anon1707844391?"
2,59214,2019-09-12T14:31:56.993Z,10763,1,11,10,1,0,0,42.2,59208,anon1707844391,anon2693311786,"Jesli coś robic dla dialogu w kraju nad Wisłą to wlaśnie to: platformy takie jak ta, wydarzenia takie  jak Otwarte Forum. 
Znamienne jest ze Forum polegac ma na usłyszeniu sie nawzajem a ja chwilowo mierze sie z tym czy i jak zostanie uslyszany moj poprzedni post. Czy rownoczesnie wyrazilem sie szczerze i z poszanowaniem glebokiej demokracji.

Z racji wykonywanego zawodu zastanawiam sie też na ile moge sobie pozwolic na szczerość, na ile deklarowac sie po którejś ze stron. W jakim  zakresie moja ranga bedzie mi w calym przedsięwzięciu poanon1547754019ć w byciu swobodnym a na ile bedzie ode mnie wyanon1547754019ć wiekszej uważności na to co powiem/napiszę lub usłyszę/przeczytam"
3,59226,2019-09-12T17:25:01.070Z,10763,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,59214,anon2693311786,anon1707844391,"@anon1707844391 przede wszystkim jesteśmy ludźmi (terapeuta też człowiek) i są w nas te wszystkie, czasem przeciwstawne emocje, co z resztą jako terapeuta wiesz lepiej ode mnie. Powiem tak, tu nic nam nie grozi, ale chciałbym, żebyś poczuł się komfortowo i pisał tyle na ile chcesz. Wydaje mi się, że nie da się usłyszeć innych nie usłyszawszy wcześniej wyraźnie siebie. Na tym forum, tylko administratorzy muszą być obiektywni. Myślę, że to ważny element przygotowań do OF. Tylko obrażać innych nie wolno ;D"
4,60759,2019-10-06T13:35:26.785Z,10763,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,59226,anon1482630830,anon2693311786,"Moja motywacja do udziału w Forum wynika z troski o Polskę i długiej działalności opozycyjno-intelektualno-duchowej. Działam z kobietami i tworzymy Krąg Siostrzeństwa. naszą odpowiedzią na kryzys wartości i zapędy dehumanizacyjne obecnych bezdusznych władz, jest wskrzeszenie wartości holistycznych: miłość, szacunek, współodczuwanie, uważność, wsparcie, wspólnota, wolność, inspiracja, współpraca. Prowadzimy akcję: Obejmiemy Polskę Kręgiem Kobiet, chciałabym o tym opowiedzieć na Forum"
5,61306,2019-10-14T10:39:48.284Z,10763,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,59208,anon1274458134,anon2693311786,"Motywacją do wzięcia udziału w forum jest po prostu poznanie nowych ludzi i lepsze zrozumienie ich. Jak widzę w Forum będzie uczestniczyć sporo osób z zupełnie innym doświadczeniem i spojrzeniem na świat niż ja. Dlatego też podczas takiego spotkania z pewnością dowiem się czegoś np. o funkcjonowaniu NGO's, inicjatyw społecznych czy kulturalnych. Forum będzie też okazją do konfrontacji, ale takiej pozytywnej, swoich poglądów i lepszego ich zrozumienia."
1,59644,2019-09-19T13:01:47.073Z,10828,0,18,17,50,0,0,313.6,59644,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"Ne znate baš ništa o meni. Ni kako se zovem, ni koliko sam stara, ni gde živim, čime se bavim... Nećete znati ni ako odgovorim na sva ta osnovna pitanja. Nije nam dovoljno što smo se našli na istom mestu u isto vreme, već tragamo za nečim što nam je navodno zajedničko da bismo olakšali konekciju.
Od kad znam za sebe čim nekog upoznam tragam za odgovorom na jedno jedino pitanje. ""Jesi ok?"". I čini mi se da sam vremenom razvila doslovno radar za dolazak do te informacije i to potpuno neverbalno.
Jesi ok? Jel imaš nešto unutra što te inspiriše, nosi, ispunjava, čini te bezbrižnim, radosnim, laganim ili imaš nešto što te grize, boli, jede, pritiska, dosađuje, uznemirava?
Ko god da si, kako god da se zoveš, gde god da živiš, kakav god da ti je bračni ili materijalni status, koliko god da si uspešan ili popularan i koja god da ti je boja očiju imaš to jedno mesto u telu koje nečim mora biti ispunjeno. Tu negde ispod grudnog koša. I ni od čega gore navedenog ne zavisi čime će biti ispunjeno. Nemamo ni mnogo opcija čime da ga ispunimo, ali ono mora nešto sadržati. A zastrašujuća činjenica je što postoji samo jedna osoba koja ima pristup selekciji sadržaja. Ili je to oslobađajuća činjenica? Ali je činjenica, to je bar nije dvosmisleno. Od dana kada se rodimo do dana kada napuštamo ovo mesto to je srž naše akcije. Sve se vrti oko toga (ništa pare, ništa sex, sorry :))
I kako su neki to mesto ispunili radošću a nemaju ni ono bez čega mi ne možemo ni da zamislimo postojanje? Da li je lakoća dostupna svima? Od čega zavisi?
Moje predstavljanje više izgleda kao ispitanon598341349je! Test! :) Ali mnogo će vam više reći o meni nego odgovori na ona ""osnovna"" pitanja.
Oduvek sam bila mislilac, onako za sebe. I nikada mi svo znanje koje nam prenose nije bilo dovoljno, možda čak i nije imalo smisla jer su najbitnija pitanja uvek bila o životu, smislu, univerzumu, smrti... a niko nije nudio odgovore. Ne samo da ih nije nudio, nego većina je verovatno jednako zbunjena kao i to osmogodišnje dete sa tim mislima. Pitanje koje odzvanja u meni od kad znam za sebe jeste :"" KAKO IŠTA MOŽE DA POSTOJI U NEČEMU ŠTO NEMA NI POČETAK NI KRAJ(UNIVERZUM)?""
I sada dok ovo pišem, po ko zna koji put sam se zamislila.
Postojimo u galaksiji u kojoj ima oko 250 milijardi zvezda poput našeg Sunca. Svaka zvezda ima neki sistem koji je okružuje. Galaksija poput ove naše ima oko 200 milijardi. Pročitajte još jednom ove 3 rečenice i zamislite to. Zvuči nelogično. Nemoguće. Smešno. Nerealno. Toliko jasno vidim ovu stolicu, ovaj zid, mogu i da ih dodirnem, a Univerzum zvuči više kao neka mašta, apstrakcija. A njegov smo deo. Sve ovo u nekoj apstrakciji!? (Kolač u tiganju!?) Nemoguće!!
Sve ovo što ja sada proživljavam, sve emocije, stres, problemi, bitka, ljubav, materijalne stvari- sve je deo nekog beskraja!? Onda sve to nema nikakvog smisla! Šta je onda važno? Na šta da se fokusiram?
Na ono mesto ispod grudnog koša, ""ono"" mesto. Jedino što deluje jako stvarno jer je stalno tu. Jedino njega stalno nosimo sa sobom i osećamo ga konstantno. Ooo kako ga samo nekad osećamo!! Kad bi mogli samo 10 minuta da ga sklonimo, da sami sebi olakšamo. 
Ne treba da znate ni ko je premijer, ni gde ja živim, ni koliko je gram zlata danas na berzi. Jedini fokus treba da vam bude ""ono"" mesto i sve što ima veze s njim. Treba svake sekunde da budete svesni da sami ispunjavate ""ono"" mesto i da, realno, postojati na nekoj tačkici međ' 200 milijardi galaksija zvuči kao čista magija!
Konstantno se priča o nekim promenama i kako mi to moramo pod hitno da sprovedemo. Promene i ovoga i onoga. Svetu, planeti i civilizaciji je potrebno to, svi to osećamo, ali odakle početi? Gde su ti koji znaju kako početi?
Smatram da će do promena doći spontano onda kada svako od nas bude postao svestan ""onog"" mesta i kako sa njim. Kada svi shvate da imaju potpunu slobodu da tu stave, skladište šta god žele. Nema uslova. 
Svi i žele da menjaju sebe i svoju realnost ali ne znamo kako. A ne znamo ne zato što je nemoguće ili teško već zato što nas niko nije naučio o tome. Učili smo da fokus stavljamo na okruženje. Jednostavno ne znamo. Ta mudrost kojim se veliki umovi služe već vekovima i trude se da je prenesu je i dalje marginalizovana i pod velom misticizma. Od Tesle smo uzeli njegove izume ali ne i njegove mudre reči koje su zapravo bile uputstvo za upotrebu njegovih vizija i izuma. I zaista, daleko smo dogurali! Vidi šta smo sve napravili!! 
Ali gde smo?
I dalje u beskraju. 
Ali izgubljeni. Otišli smo daleko i idemo sve dalje. Ali ne znamo gde smo pošli uopšte.
Zovem se Tamara. Nemam nadimak pa me možete zvati kako želite.
Bila mi je čast ispitivati vas :)<image here> 
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2,59674,2019-09-21T06:50:38.313Z,10828,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,59644,anon2446385507,anon2614214130,"Zdravo Tamara, dobrodošla u ovu zajednicu. Saosjećam s vašim pitanjima kako pronaći smisao u ovom svijetu, imao sam ih više kad sam imao 18 ili više godina. Danas pokušavam da živim danom i shvatila sam da ako radite stvari koje volite i koje ne trebaju nikakvo meta-objašnjenje, možda ćete biti srećni.
Kako lično napunite to mesto pod grudima?

Nešto je veoma lepo napisao N. Harari u jednoj od svojih knjiga (ne mogu se setiti koja, ali verovatno „Sapiens“). Napisao je:
„Možda je sreća sinhronizacija nečijih ličnih zabluda značenja sa prevladavajućim kolektivnim zabludama“

PS Žao mi je zbog mojih jezičnih grešaka, koristim google prevod za čitanje i komentar na vaš post. Rumunski sam, sa sedištem u Briselu i, nažalost, ne govorim srpski :-("
3,59681,2019-09-21T11:05:30.760Z,10828,2,14,13,1,0,0,47.8,59674,anon2614214130,anon2446385507,"Maybe we can communicate this way then. 😊
Actually lack of meaning and expanding to the Universe level of thinking lead to a simple way of filling that place in my body- looking at everything as a miracle, enjoying little things, common things, walking around believing every single thing is a pure magic and life is a gift. I think we should have fun, life should be fun and and learning about myself,  meaning and Universe made me realise we shouldn't take life so seriously. I simply enjoy life!"
4,59699,2019-09-22T07:38:57.244Z,10828,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,59681,anon2446385507,anon2614214130,"I see.. I think what would make it even more useful for others who want to learn about psychological wellbeing, or having a healthy mindset to look at life, is if you could tell _how_ you got here: were there experiences in your life that made you change perspectives? hobbies you took on?

In my case, when I turned 30 I became more open to the role spirituality can play in life - to help keep balance and positive, and live in the present. I started to practice yoga and even though this is a lifetime journey, it has helped me calm down (a little :-). I also went into a silent meditation retreat for 10 days, and it was very interesting to see what people do to keep afloat. 
What about you?

PS Please feel free to answer in Serbian, I'm afraid if we write in English too much others reading who are not speaking English might get discouraged to participate."
5,59918,2019-09-25T20:12:49.744Z,10828,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,59699,anon2614214130,anon2446385507,Moj sledeći text će biti o tome. Može tako? 😊
6,60722,2019-10-05T11:15:41.602Z,10828,2,13,12,1,0,0,47.6,59681,anon4101051500,anon2614214130,"Prvo da kazem: predanon598341349, zaista predanon598341349, tekst. 
A za ovaj komentar imam jednu malu ispravku :) Zapravo bih samo zamenila rec fun ili sa game ili sa playfulness. Fun iliti zabava ipak ima konotaciju nemara i izbegavanja ozbiljnosti i odgovornosti. Igra, pogotovo kada se igramo necega sto volimo(npr. zivota:), moze biti i ozbiljna i odgovorna i zahtevna ali i dalje je ostaje igra u kojoj mozemo da uzivamo. Zivot je igra. Ljubav je igra(a veze mogu biti ''ozbiljne''). Profesija/hobi/posao/istrazanon598341349je je igra. 

Za igru bez granica u Univerzumu :blue_heart:"
7,60786,2019-10-07T08:24:49.783Z,10828,1,12,11,1,0,0,57.4,60722,anon2446385507,anon4101051500,"Pozdrav @anon
Dobrodošli u ovu diskusiju i čestitam na skoku!
Trebali biste znati da @anon3346229079 ja i nadam se @anon2614214130 planiramo radionicu o tome kako možemo više sarađivati u postizanju zajedničkih ciljeva. Planirano je 23. novembra u Beogradu, a o tome ćemo više saopštiti u narednim danima. Da li ste tamo? Ako ste zainteresovani da učestvujete, ohrabrujem vas da upoznate ostale ljude koji su uključeni ove nedelje. Oni se sastaju na mreži u sredu u 18:00: https://zoom.us/j/258072686

Konačno, zaista smo znatiželjni da saznamo više o vama. Šta je vaše lično putovanje u životu i koje su stvari koje trenutno pokušavate da postignete? Slobodno dodajte novi post - [napravite ovde „novu temu“.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/rs)"
8,60816,2019-10-07T13:55:57.183Z,10828,1,12,11,1,0,0,27.4,60722,anon2614214130,anon4101051500,"Hvala @anon4101051500!
Kako god da to zovete bitno da uzivate! Bitno da osecamo raddost u svakoj celiji i da zelimo da prenesemo to na druge! Mi smo Univerzum i sloboda nam je zagarantovana. Cekamo tvoju pricu :)"
9,61200,2019-10-11T18:12:35.780Z,10828,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,60816,anon4101051500,anon2614214130,"Apsolutno se slažem 😊
A priča se još uvek piše. Uskoro..."
10,61201,2019-10-11T18:19:06.560Z,10828,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,60786,anon4101051500,anon2446385507,"Pozdrav anon2649858692mi,
Hvala na informacijama, iako sam vec bila informisana :)
I učestvovala sam u upoznavanju na mreži, divni ljudi. Volela bih da učestvujem i na radionici 23. Novembra ako uspem pošto ja zapravo živim u Berlinu.
Više o meni ćete saznati kada objavim priču koja je još uvek u procesu pisanja :)"
1,57181,2019-07-26T08:38:56.494Z,10419,0,19,18,6,0,0,48.8,57181,anon1942832091,anon1942832091,"<image here> 
 

Kiedyś dość surowo podchodziłam do kwestii homoseksualizmu. Ale wiele się zmieniło we mnie w tej kwestii. Dojrzałam.Ten temat dotknął mnie bardzo osobiście, kiedy zakochałam się w mężczyźnie, który okazał się być gejem. Zaczęłam szukać informacji, czytać, dużo myśleć na ten temat. Zaczęłam zadawać sobie pytania i skonfrontowałam się ze swoim dotychczasowym obrazem tego tematu. 

Mój obraz bardzo ewoluował. Teraz mam poczucie, że choć nie rozumiem tego zjawiska, to absolutnie nie potępiam homoseksualistów. Nie umiem się wczuć w to jak można pożądać osobę tej samej płci, ale wiem, że ludzie tak mają. Z jakiego powodu, nie wiem, ale tak mają. Nie umiem na to pytanie odpowiedzieć i daleka jestem od zachwytu nad tym zjawiskiem, bo jest to dla mnie nienaturalne, ale nie widzę powodu, żeby nie zadawać się takimi osobami. Część swojej opinii opierałam na Biblii i faktycznie jest napisane na początku drugiego rozdziału listu do Rzyanon1235093333n, że to jest obrzydliwe w oczach Boga. 

Natoanon1235093333st jedną rzeczą jest Biblia, która jest dla mnie fundamentem, czymś ważnym, ale uważam, że przede wszystkim Pan Bóg kocha wszystkich ludzi. Próbowałam dowiedzieć się na temat w jaki sposób powstaje homoseksualizm i przyczyny mogą być bardzo różne. I uznałam, że nie można w ten sposób traktować ludzi, czy oceniać, z resztą z wiekiem człowiek staje się mniej anon3213561856egoryczny. Ja staję się mniej anon3213561856egoryczna. Może to wynika z tego, że staram się szukać odpowiedzi, rozwiązań. 

Kiedyś byłam w ostrej &quot;fazie&quot; kościelnej, a byłam w takiej fazie dość długo. Ten etap rozpoczął się dawno temu po tym jak jeden gość wystawił mnie do wiatru, to był wyzwalacz. Ale wszystko tak naprawdę zmieniło się po wypadku, którego doświadczyłam- zapadłam w śpiączkę na pewien czas. To anon1235093333ło kolosalne znaczenie, dlaczego tak gorliwie oddałam się modlitwie. Ale zdecydowanie moje poglądy zradykalizowały się gdy zaczęłam być w kościele, we wspólnocie kościelnej, która była teoretycznie anon3213561856olicka, a tak na prawdę okazała się z czasem być sektą, anon1235093333ła jej wszelkie znamiona. Nadal jest w strukturach kościoła. To anon1235093333ło bardzo duży wpływ na mój światopogląd, na moje funkcjonowanie. 

Odeszłam stamtąd bardzo dawno temu... Za sprawą romansu z żonatym mężczyzną. Przydarzyło mi się coś, co przez całe moje dotychczasowe życie było absolutnie niedopuszczalne i ja w życiu sobie nie wyobrażałam, że mogę coś takiego popełnić. Złamałam jedną z naczelnych moralnych zasad, które mi wpajano. Nie chcę powiedzieć że to jest zła zasada. To był moment przełomowy w moim życiu. 

Zauważyłam, że mimo moich pięknych zasad przydarzyło mi się coś, czego nie uanon1235093333łam wytłumaczyć i nagle wszystkie zasady przestały być ważne. Bardzo zanon1547754019łam się z tym, że nie mogłam o tym nikomu powiedzieć. Pamiętam, że zanim mi się to przydarzyło, moja przyjaciółka wyznała mi, że jest lesbijką. Moja reakcja na to, a to było parę lat przed moją historią, była bardzo mocna. Zrugałam ją, powiedziałem, że jest zboczona i nie mogłam tego ogarnąć, zwłaszcza, że ona była osobą, która mnie wprowadziła do Kościoła. Kiedy mi się to przydarzyło uświadomiłam sobie, że ona pewnie przeżywała koszmar. Że nie mogła swobodnie dzielić się radością tego, że jest z kimś w związku. Przeżywać zupełnie swobodnie, okazywać to. Pomijam już zupełnie fakt, czy mi się to podoba, czy nie. Dopóki samemu nie pozna się, dotknie się inności, albo nas nie spotka trudna historia, to mamy tylko teorię. Z daleka widzi się rzeczy zupełnie inaczej. 

Moja babcia od małego przekazywała nam wiarę, uczyła pacierza, śpiewała z nami różne piosenki, zabierała nas do kościoła. Moi rodzice nie byli jakoś szczególnie praktykującymi anon3213561856olikami do czasu mojego wypadku, który wszystko odmienił. Trudno inaczej traktować to, że żyję niż w anon3213561856egoriach cudu. Mój tata się wtedy nawrócił i kupił Biblię, pierwszą w swoim życiu. Jak tylko ją kupił, otworzył na chybił-trafił i pierwsze słowa, które wyczytał to były: ""Ta choroba nie jest na śmierć, ale na chwałę Bożą"" . Ja bardzo szybko doszłam do siebie po tym nawróceniu rodziców i w sumie po 10 miesiącach wyszłam o własnych nogach i wróciłam do szkoły, mimo, że mam tylko połowę mózgu sprawną. Mam mózg jak u 80 letniej kobiety, a mimo to funkcjonuję na dość wysokim poziomie. Atrofia korowo-podkorowa to się nazywa. Lekarze widząc zdjęcia mojego mózgu i to jak funkcjonuję, nie mogli uwierzyć, że są moje. 

Moja pani psychiatra mówi, że owszem mózg jest plastyczny, ale nie do tego stopnia, żeby funkcjonować, po tak potężnym uszkodzeniu. Od dziecka chorowałam na astmę. W wieku 10 lat anon1235093333łam pierwszą śmierć kliniczną, a w wieku 12 dostałam zapalenia płuc i się udusiłam. Byłam sześć tygodni nieprzytomna, sparaliżowana. Nastąpiła śmierć mózgu. Oczywiście zawsze znajdą się ludzie twierdzący, że to jest jakoś logicznie, medycznie wytłumaczalne, ale dla mnie to był cud. Najgorsze jest to, że trudno o wyrozuanon1235093333łość wśród ludzi. Jak komuś urwie nogę to widać gołym okiem, ale u mnie nie widać , że żyję z takim poważnym deficytem. Czasami chciałabym więcej zrozumienia, bo szybciej się męczę, bo jestem wrażliwsza. Trudno mi z tym brakiem zrozumienia wśród ludzi.

anon1942832091, 43, psycholog, Warszawa"
2,57234,2019-07-29T08:18:18.352Z,10419,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,57181,anon3593942245,anon1942832091,"Cześć @anon1942832091, witamy w edgeryders!

Poruszasz w swojej historii bardzo wiele wątków i ciekawa jestem, jak czujesz się w Polsce w ostatnich latach? Jesteś wystawiona na sytuacje w swoich kręgach, które zmuszają Cię do kwestionowania osądów głoszonych przez najważniejsze polskie instytucje - rząd i kościół - które potępiają wszelkie odstępstwa od  bardzo wąsko rozuanon1235093333nej ""normy"". Jak sobie z tym radzisz? Jak wyglądają Twoje rozmowy z bliskimi osobami, budowanie relacji? Czy starasz się jakoś wpływać na osoby w Twoim otoczeniu, tłumaczyć - i z jakimi reakcjami się to spotyka? 

Bardzo ciekawi mnie tez Twoja skomplikowana relacja z kościołem - wygląda na to, że jakiś rodzaj wiary (czy to wciąz wiara w chrześcijańskiego Boga?) trwa pomimo trudnych doświadczeń ze wspólnotą, którą porównujesz do sekty. Jak wygląda Twoja relacja z religią, bogiem?"
3,57910,2019-08-13T12:17:38.087Z,10419,1,13,12,2,0,0,17.6,57181,anon750699873,anon1942832091,"Fajnie, że piszesz o potrzebie zrozumienia i o wzbudzaniu empatii. Bo ""zjawisko"" o którym mówisz - czyli orientacja psychoseksualna to po prostu jedna z cech za pomocą których można opisać człowieka. A dokładnie tylko (i aż) to, w kim się zakochuje. Homoseksualność jest tak samo naturalna jak heteroseksualność i występuje w całym świecie przyrody. 

Tobie jest ciężko w relacji z kościołem z powodu wyboru jakiego dokonałaś, więc możesz również wyobrazić sobie jak strasznie czują się osoby niehetero, które nie mają możliwości przestać kimś kim są a hierarchowie kościelni ciągle mówią o tym, że ich miłość nie ma nic wspólnego z dojrzałym i dobrym uczuciem. Jak myślisz, co wpłynęło na to, że Twoja ocena osób niehetero przestała być tak surowa jak była? Osobiste doświadczenie wykluczenia ze wspólnoty; przemyślenia; poznanie kogoś kto zakochał się w osobie tej samej płci? Pytam, bo często rozmawiam z ludźmi głęboko wierzącymi i spotykam wśród nich zarówno zaciekłych homofobów jak i takich, którzy nie podzielają zdania hierarchów w tej kwestii i zastanawiam się od czego to zależy."
4,60443,2019-10-02T20:55:17.101Z,10419,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,57910,anon2162742776,anon750699873,"Z tym ""w całym świecie przyrody"" to bym był jednak ostrożny. Jakieś tam przypadki są znane, ale to raczej ciekawostki. Niedawne badania odnośnie tematu skąd biorą się postawy homoseksualne mówi, że po części jest to genetyka, ale też w znaczącej mierze socjalizacja. Warto się nad tym zastanowić, myślę."
5,60589,2019-10-03T15:38:27.524Z,10419,1,11,10,1,1,0,12.2,57181,anon2693311786,anon1942832091,"@anon2162742776 witaj w dyskusji. Widzę, że zacząłeś od delianon3213561856nego tematu

[quote=""anon2162742776, post:4, topic:10419""]
Warto się nad tym zastanowić, myślę.
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Możesz rozwinąć swoją myśl? Czuję, że za tym stoi mocny kaliber, ale nie wiem na pewno."
6,60615,2019-10-03T20:07:31.465Z,10419,2,10,9,1,0,0,17.0,60589,anon2162742776,anon2693311786,"Mam na myśli tylko to, że skoro w determinowaniu orientacji seksualnej mogą mieć spory udział czynniki środowiskowe, może się przypadkiem okazać, że rosnąca liczba homoseksualistów wynikać będzie ze sposobu wychowania. Idąc więc dalej - lansowanie w przestrzeni publicznej haseł w stylu ""GAY PRIDE"" i organizowanie parad LGBT wszędzie gdzie się da nie zrobi raczej dobrej roboty. To tylko hipoteza, ale jestem przekonany, że wcale nie niedorzeczna."
7,60634,2019-10-04T08:44:53.892Z,10419,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,57181,anon2693311786,anon1942832091,"Możliwe, że to zbyt delianon3213561856ny wątek do dyskusji. Dlaczego akturat kwestia homoseksualizmu  jest dla Ciebie tak ważna? 

Z innej beczki: zerknij do wątku https://edgeryders.eu/t/czy-jest-cokolwiek-co-nas-jeszcze-laczy/10660/8 
Podzielona Polska będzie tematem naszego listopadowego otwartego forum. 

[quote=""anon413923905, post:8, topic:10660""]
Ja widzę dużą różnicę między pisiorem a prawakiem, konserwatystą. Nie mogę zaakceptować postępującego demontażu demokracji , ktory obecnie się toczy. Dla mnie być konserwatystą to stać po prawej stronie zaś byc pisiorem to akceptować czy nawet przyjmować z radością pomysł, że każdy, kto nie jest z nami jest przeciw nam i że dążenie do wprowadzenia ustroju skrojonego pod wlasne poglądy może się odbywać z pogwałceniem wolności jednostek. Trochę jak z komunizmem - że rewolucja wyanon1547754019 ofiar :frowning:
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8,60641,2019-10-04T09:28:53.072Z,10419,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,60615,anon3593942245,anon2162742776,"Cześć, @anon2162742776 - witamy na forum!  

Myślę, że co do ścisłości i pewności badań genetycznych jeszcze długo będziemy mogli się spierać - to chyba trochę jak z badaniami dotyczącymi odżywiania i nieustannych korekt nt. właściwego cholesterolu, tłuszczów, etc. Jest to skomplikowana materia i wyanon1547754019 lat pracy. Cokolwiek wpływa na taki rozwój, efekt jest podobny - w naturze homoseksualizm istnieje, nie tylko u człowieka. Pytanie, dlaczego niektórym jego istnienie tak przeszkadza? 

Walka o prawa LGBT odbywa się w świecie, w którym osoby o innych orientacjach mogą np. być pobite za okazywanie sobie uczuć. Nie mówiąc już o tym, że odmawia im się prawa do zawierania związków, które uprawiają ich do dzielenia majątków czy wizyt w szpitalu. Więc z jednej strony mamy argument, że za dużo gadają na forum publicznym i to szkodzi ogółowi, z drugiej mamy ogół, który nie boi się przemocy i dyskryminacji, także w kwestiach legalnych. 

Na pewno kwestie środowiskowe mają wpływ na orientację - chociaż na własnym przykładzie mogę powiedzieć, że wychowując się w bardzo konserwatywnej części Polski, w bardzo heteroseksualnym środowisku (nie znałam nikogo o innej orientacji do 19 roku życia, może dłużej), nie uchroniło mnie to przed byciem nieheteroseksualną osobą. Byłam tym odkryciem sama zaskoczona. Wydaje mi się, że kobietom jest o wiele łatwiej w pewnym momencie wejść w kontakt ze swoją nieheteroseksualną częścią, bo kultura i społeczeństwo nie są tak bardzo negatywnie nastawione wobec kobiet homoseksualnych czy biseksualnych, jak maczystowskie kręgi męskie. Ta presja na bycie prawdziwym facetem, spełnianie bardzo wąskich oczekiwań społeczeństwa, i obsesja nt. seksu analnego (który mężczyzni lubią uprawiać z kobietami, ale z mężczyznami to już co innego) na pewno utrudnia pełną ekspresję. 

Ostatecznie - jaki jest problem z tym, z kim kto śpi i co komu sprawia przyjemność? Życie jest dość zagmatwane, walczymy z wieloma problemami - biedą, wykluczeniem, chorobami, zanieczyszczeniem środowiska - czemu ktoś anon1235093333łby poświęcać energię na odbieraniu innym tego, co sprawia im radość? 

CIekawa jestem też, co masz na myśli mówiąc: Dobra robota? 

Może @anon2734079508 chciałaby coś dodać w tej kwestii, albo @anon1430716239?"
9,60829,2019-10-07T15:39:06.280Z,10419,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,60615,anon2734079508,anon2162742776,"Czesc @anon2162742776, 
Rosnaca liczba osob nieheteroseksualnych ma jedynie posredni zwiazek z paradami rownosci. Widocznosc osob niehetero w przestrzeni publicznej jest konsekwencja zmieniajacego sie spoleczenstwa - w XX w. (mam tu na mysli Europe) zaczelismy wreszcie akceptowac fakt, ze ludzka seksualnosc nie jest jednorodna i ze wiele (jesli nie wiekszosc) osob nie jest jest hetero i to calkiem naturalne. Homoseksualnosc i biseksualnosc wystepuja w przyrodzie obok siebie, ludzie zaobserwowali je u ponad 1500 gatunkow zwierzat. Parady rownosci nikogo nie przekonaja do bycia LGB, pokazuja za to spoleczenstwu, ze osoby LGB sa duza jego czescia i kazdy zapewne zna osoby niehetero, nawet jesli o tym nie wie. Moga za to przekonac osoby LGB do wyjscia z szafy, jesli sa w wystarczajaco bezpiecznym srodowisku. 

Jezeli piszesz, ze ' lansowanie w przestrzeni publicznej haseł w stylu “GAY PRIDE” i organizowanie parad LGBT wszędzie gdzie się da nie zrobi raczej dobrej roboty', to tym samym dajesz do zrozumienia, ze jest cos zlego w byciu LGB i ze najlepiej byc hetero. Jezeli uznasz, ze bycie niehetero jest tak samo ok jak hetero i kazdy powinien miec rowne prawa, byc wolny od dyskryminacji i przemocy, to wtedy zycie osob LGB bedzie moglo rozwijac sie tak samo jak osob heteroseksualnych."
10,60832,2019-10-07T15:51:52.782Z,10419,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,57181,anon2734079508,anon1942832091,"Czesc @anon1942832091,
Dzieki za podzielenie sie Twoja historia zarowno, jesli chodzi o Twoje zdrowie i jak i przeanon1235093333ny swiatopogladowe. Niewiele osob potrafi wyznac, ze kiedys sie mylilo i ze ich osobiste doswiadczenia zmienily ich poglady na temat innych ludzi. Na szczescie przezywamy rozne rzeczy i to uczy nas akceptacji i otwartosci. 

Jesli czujesz sie skonfliktowana pogladami polskiego Kosciola na homoseksualnosc oraz tym, co podpowiada Ci serce i mowi chrzescijanstwo (ludzie sa rowni i stworzeni na podobienstwo Boga), to zawsze mozesz poszukac kosciola, ktory bedzie dla Ciebie bardziej odpowiedni. Religia to nie monolit, jest wiele odlamow i kosciolow, ktore glosza inne poglady niz polski Kosciol. Mozna tez dzialac w obrebie polskiego Kosciola, jest wielu anon3213561856olikow/wiele anon3213561856oliczek, ktorzy/ktore nie zgadzaja sie z odrzuceniem osob LGBT. 'Tygodnik Powszechny' czesto podejmuje te tematyke."
11,61133,2019-10-10T14:46:08.657Z,10419,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,60829,anon2162742776,anon2734079508,"Nie, nie. Nie uważam żeby homoseksualizm sam w sobie anon1235093333ł być ""czymś złym"", uprzejmie proszę o nie imputowanie mi rzeczy, których nie powiedziałem :).  Jednakowoż rzeczywiście afiszowanie się z własną seksualnością już jak najbardziej uważam za coś złego. Jeżeli byłbym fanem BDSM - nie wpadłbym na pomysł, żeby w lateksie czy skórze biegać z pejczykiem po ulicach. Z tym mam problem, nie z samą orientacją. Również z tego wynika moja niechęć do hasła ""GAY PRIDE"". Z czego ""DUMNI""? To ja też mam być dumny z mojej heteroseksualnej orientacji, czy nie? Ale jeśli mogę, to co, wydrukować sobie na koszulce ""HETERO PRIDE""?"
12,61145,2019-10-10T15:46:22.225Z,10419,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,61133,anon3593942245,anon2162742776,"Myślę, że ma to związek raczej z historią homoseksualizmu i cierpieniami, które wyrządzano ludziom z inną niż heteroseksualna orientacją w przeszłości - więzienia, elektroszoki, kary śmierci. To reakcja na wieki prześladowań - raczej tak to bym odczytywała."
1,61027,2019-10-09T15:28:48.161Z,11076,0,9,8,7,0,0,66.8,61027,anon774502830,anon774502830,"![](https://www.psychologicalscience.org/redesign/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/PAFF_040118_helpingothers-609x419.jpg)

Pocházím ze Světlé nad Sázavou, kde od roku 2000 funguje i ženská věznice. Byla jsem ještě ve věku, kdy se mne dění ve městě moc netýkalo, brala jsem to celé jako součást a vývoj města a asi jsem nezvažovala nějaké pro a proti. Po nějaké době shodou okolností, tam začala jako dozorkyně pracovat i moje mamka a chtě nechtě, jsem se začala dostávat po malých kouskách pod povrch toho, jak vězeňský systém funguje. Jak se chodí na směny, co všechno musí člověk udělat a naučit se, aby se vůbec dozorcem stal, jaká oddělení se nachází konkrétně v té naší věznici apod. 
Nikdy mne nenapadlo, že to vlastně někdo může mít jinak a dokud nezačala éra sociálních sítí, neměla jsem ani moc šanci zjistit, že to tak není. Když jsem díky sociálním síti začala „objevovat“ i jiné sociální bubliny, byla jsem zděšená. Nikdy mě totiž nenapadlo, že jakékoliv programy ať na podporu dětí/dospělých v zemích třetího světa, programy na snížení recidivy nebo sociální programy pro lidi z vyloučených lokalit, mohou být někomu terčem v oku.
Jedno z prvních zděšení, které mne čekalo, bylo zjištění, že veškeré snahy o začlenění vězňů zpět do společnosti je s nelibostí přijímáno naší společností, alespoň té části společnosti, která nalezla útočiště za klávesnicí svého počítače. Objevení anonymity a beztrestnosti v nich vyvolala vševědoucí pocit. To by bylo asi zase na jiné téma, já se nicméně vrátím k mému kulturnímu šoku, který jsem bohužel prožila v mé domovině, v Čechách. 
Je možné, že nahlížím na problém toho, proč se lidé dostávají za mříže velmi subjektivním pohledem (maminka pracuje ve vězeňství/otčím také), ale i vzhledem k tomu, že jsem jednu dobu pracovala v neziskové organizace, kde jsme se snažili začlenit lidi po výkonu trestu a pracovali jsme i přímo s lidmi ve výkonu trestu, jsou mé zkušenosti s těmito lidmi velmi silné. Všichni ti, se kterými jsem pracovala nebo měla možnost je potanon3213561856, pojilo jedno – nedostačující sociální a rodinné zázemí téměř odmalička – minimální láska od blízkých, nezájem, bití, alkoholismus a drogy v rodině, nedostačující vzdělání, psychické zanedbávání, nulová prevence od státu u rodin, kde opakovaně docházelo k zanedbání péče a další. 
Velmi mě mrzí, že stále se na novodobý vězeňský systém nahlíží skrze prsty a veškeré programy na začlenění trestaných lidí jsou odsuzovány jen z nadpisů a titulků novin. Pokud nebude dávat druhé šance, nikdy je sami nedostaneme, až je budeme potřebovat. Lidé po výkonu trestu nemohou začít jiný život, pokud nenajdou uplatnění na trhu práce, musí mít z čeho zaplatit ubytovnu, mít se kde umýt a nevypadnout z režimu, který je ve věznicích učili. Pokud vypadnou z rutiny a z řádu, na který si zvykli, jsou ne krok, ale pár centimetrů od toho, aby se vrátili do starých zajetých kolejí. Je to začarovaný kruh, protože velké procento lidí propuštěných z výkonu trestu buď vůbec nemá rodinné zázemí nebo o něj rodina nestojí. Do práce (i když dnes, v ČR to není tak hrozné jako pár let zpátky) vás nevezmou, pokud máte záznam v rejstříku trestů. Nejhorší na tom je, že vylezete z vězení s pytlem plným hadrů a zbytečností a když nemáte někoho, kdo vás na prvních týdnů vezme k sobě, nepomůže vám se startem, nemáte ani kde spát. Kdo ale zaručeně otevře „láskyplnou“ náruč je ten kdo vám prodával drogy, ten pro koho jste prodávali drogy, ten pro koho jste kradli, ten kdo vás pásl. Lidé co vylezli z vězení, mají svůj trest odpykán – ANO, nebyli tam pro srandu nebo za krádež lízátka, ale trest je za nimi. A já mám pocit, že poté co vylezou ven „na svobodu“ jsou trestání znovu. Nikde a nikdo je nechce. Po odpykaném trestu, přichází trest nový, ale v porovnání s věznicí o hodně těžší, protože ve vězení vám řeknou „večerka/budíček/práce/volno/“ a víte co bude. Je to určitý druh jistoty. Pak ale najednou stojíte před bránou věznice a nemáte nic, stojíte tam sám a nemáte nic. Jen sebe a strach, co dál.
Velmi se mi líbí právě přístup světelské věznice, třeba to tak mají i ostatní, ale …., kde se snaží potom, co si vězeňkyně odvedou své povinnosti (musejí se chovat vzorně, chodit do práce/školy, nesmí být problémové, vyvolávat rvačky a já nevím co ještě), nabízet varianty a alternativy toho jak trávit ten „volný“ čas, co jim tam zbývá. 
Článek z roku 2018: https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/domaci/yellow-ribbon-run-beh-vezeni-svetla-nad-sazavou-vezenkyne.A180404_142946_domaci_nub 
Vlastně je to pěkná záliba, činnost které mohou propadnout. Skoro nic to nestojí a běhání je prý vysoce návykové. Dokáží se díky tomu dostat mezi jiné okruhy lidí a až se dostanou ven, může to být pro některé z nich i první věc, kterou budou chtít dělat, první skutečný návyk ve svém životě, jež dává smysl. Jedna věc mě na tom doslova děsí a to je diskuze pod článkem. Jsou tam i tací, kteří chápou ten „point“  proč se ředitelka věznice snaží dělat věci jinak, co znamená recidiva a že je dobré jí předcházet, že prevence by měla být někde jinde a to nejdůležitější, že středověk už u nás dávno skončil, ale většina diskutujících taková není. Bohužel, to není jen o tomhle článku, všude (pod každým novinovým článkem/diskuzí – osobně asi tězko) se najdou rýpalové a lidé, kteří vidí svět jen černobíle, ale tady, kde je potřeba mít víc trpělivosti a tu pomocnou ruku podat víckrát, než by nám bylo milé, je to za mě o to víc smutné. Smutné z důvodu, že všichni lidé na světě si v jedné věci nejsme rovni. Nezačínali jsme na stejné startovní čáře, neměli jsme stejné možnosti a prostředky, bohužel.  
A tohle je přesně to, co mě nutí k zamyšlení. Je správně nechávat „převýchovu“ na věznicích? Není to postavené na hlavu? Opravdu nemůžeme mít prevenční systémy, které by zabraňovaly, aby mladí lidé z jakýchkoliv poměrů končili v léčebnách, nápravných zařízeních a věznicích? Kde je ten problém? Selhává u nás sociální systém? Jak je možné, že jsou věznice a nápravná zařízení plná mladých závislých lidí? Kde jsou sociální pracovnice, učitelé a třeba i všímavé okolí, když selhávají rodiče? Nepoznáme zanedbané dítě? Není nám divné, když přijde do školy v podnapilém stavu sotva patnáctiletý kluk/holka? Nevidíme to nebo to nechceme vidět?"
2,61134,2019-10-10T14:47:57.626Z,11076,0,6,5,3,0,0,31.2,61027,anon3353600255,anon774502830,"Díky za sdílení téhle osobní zkušenosti. Je skvělé, že o problému začleňování zpět do společnosti mluvíš z pozice člověka, který ho dobře zná zevnitř a zároveň se snaží podílet na jeho řešení. To, co popisuješ mi trochu připomíná třeba lidi, co se vrací z psychiatrických zařízení, taky si s sebou nesou stigma, které jim společnost přilepí. Ze subjektivního pohledu je návrat do režimu a rytmu, kterej si člověk najednou ma řídit sám mnohdy fakt docela šok. Opět nesrovnatelné, ale vzpomínám na svůj vlastní přechod z ""vojenskýho"" režimu střední školy na vysokou...no dost to trvalo. Neexistuje nějaký program, který by propuštěné lidi sdružoval do i třeba volnější komunity, aby tou zkušeností procházeli společně? Ne každému to samozřejmě může vyhovovat, ale i tak...No a s tou prevencí je to tak jak říkáš. Myslím si, ze další věci je i takovej nějakej spolecenskej kredit rodičů, kterej se na děti přenáší. To okno, ve kterým se z dětí stávaj dospeli, je poměrně krátký. Spousta lidí během něj dělá blbosti. S ""lepší"" rodinou v zádech je to prostě blbost, kdo tuhle podporu potom nemá, je hned ""jasnej"". V našich školách podle mě alespoň za nás vubec nefungoval systém psychologický podpory a rozvoje osobnosti. Šlo hlavně o čísla na vysvědčení a případně snahu jednotlivejch učitelů. Doufám, že tohle se snad lepší (?).."
1,61049,2019-10-09T17:33:02.622Z,11084,0,16,15,20,0,0,133.2,61049,anon2614214130,anon2614214130,"Plan za Srbiju je da se dogadjaji odvijaju od 22-24. novembra

*Celodnevna radionica U Beogradu 23. novembra

*Poludnevna radionica u Beceju 24. novembra

**Subota, 23.novembar:Radionica u Beogradu**
Radionica na temu Saradnja i medjuljudska interakcija, i zasto su vazne.
-Petak: Okupljanje ucesnika i prijatelja uz pice, vece pre samog dogadjaja, sa pocetkom u 19h.
**Glavni dogadjaj**
Prvi deo - Pricanje prica
*Uvod u zajednicu Edgeryders, vise o samoj radionici i projektu ""Blagostanje u Evropi"". Koja je osnovna zamisao koja nas dovodi do organizovanja ovog dogadjaja? internacionalne price o uspesnim saradnjama. Sve ovo je samo uvod i ne bi trebalo da traje duze od 10ak minuta.
*Ucesnici prezentuju svoje price koje su objavili na forumu. Sve ovo traje oko 2h.

Pauza za rucak

Drugi deo - Saradnja
Prica o vaznosti ljudske interakcije. Kako nasu licnu pricu iskoristiti produktivno. Zasto je saradnja korisna, co-working mesta kao otvaranje mogucnosti za nove projekte upoznavanjem novih ljudi.

Zajednicka vecera i privodjenje kraju.

**Nedelja, 24.novembar:Radionica u Beceju**

Akcenat na mladim ljudima, srednjoskolcima i brucosima. Spajanje istih sa starijim i uspesnijim ljudima i podticaj na kreativnost i ambicije.

**Organizacija**

*Napraviti odredjenu vrstu pozivnice, propagandnog materijala da se ljudi obaveste o Edgeryders i samoj radionici
*Kontaktirati ljude koji bi bili zainteresovani za drzanje govora i deljenje svog iskustva
*Osmisliti nacine kako kontaktirati ljude, zainteresovati ih za ucesce
*Organizovati prevoz za anon2649858692mi i Jasena iz Brisela za Beograd
*Kako se dogadjaj priblizava smisliti koji prostor bi bio najpogodniji"
1,59963,2019-09-26T11:32:25.078Z,10886,0,19,18,7,0,0,68.8,59963,anon2678212969,anon2678212969,"Baš danas je Evropski dan jezika. Jezik je ""živa"" stvar. Menja se, prilagođava, prihvata druge i oblikuje se shodno dinamici društva. To nije strana pojava i dobro je da postoji. Sami znate koliko je ponekad teško naći adekvatan prevod nekog određenog (posebno stručnog) termina kako bi ga prilagodili lokalnom tržištu. I tu se pojavljuju neminovne (dobrodošle) tuđice. 

No, čini mi se da kriza jezika i pisma postaje sve više izražena sa novim generacijama koje više nego i jedna pre sve češće u svoje izražavanje uključuju skraćenice, poštapalice i termine koje usvajaju iz ""globalnog sela"" - interneta. I ovo nije samo problem Srbije. Žargon jeste neformalni deo komunikacije u određenim grupama, ali u poslednje vreme primećujem da se ta i takva terminologija sve češće koristi u ""novinarskim"" člancima (ne želim ovde da posvećujem prostor ""kvalitetu"" rada ""novinara"" i ""urednika""). Problem je što takvi mediji utiču na vokabular populacije oblikujući ga u uprošćen niz glasova čije značenje sami korisnici najčešće ne umeju da objasne prihvatajući ga _ad hoc_. Ne kažem da svako treba da u svakodnevnom govoru ili pisanju koristi književni stil, ali mislim da su (opet, mlađe generacije) izgubile smisao za upotrebu termina u formalnom i neformalnom ophođenju. Tako se sve češće može sresti rogobatna formulacija ""foloveri"" za jednostavnu i odavno poznatu reč ""pratioci"" ili nekakva kovanica ne znam ni ja čega - ""zapratiti"" (""follow us"") i pored jasnog prevoda - ""pratite nas"".

Da li je neophodno izmišljati nove reči kada već postoje jasne i prihvaćene ili nepotrebno uzimati tuđice koje zvuče bolje našem uhu (""ofis"" umesto ""kancelarija"") iako na izvornom jeziku znače upravo ono što je naš jezik davno prepoznao. Ovome mogu dodati i da je u Srbiji nekim ljudima sporna upotreba ćirilice kao glavnog pisma. Očuvanje pisma i sopstvenog jezika upravo bi trebalo da bude jedna od osnovnih postulata evropske različitosti ali se čini da se sve češće zanemaruje.

P.S: Neko mi može zameriti što sam ovu objavu (""post"") napisao latinicom, a ne ćirilicom koju sam pomenuo nekoliko redova ranije. Razlog nije nepodržavanje ćirilice već šira dostupnost teksta čitaocima koji ne poznaju ćirilično pismo."
2,60001,2019-09-27T05:28:25.038Z,10886,1,17,16,1,0,0,13.4,59963,anon2446385507,anon2678212969,"Zdravo Igor, dobrodošli u urednike !! Srećan sam što si našao svoj put!
Dolazim iz druge istočnoeuropske zemlje koja je više 'amerikanizirana' nego što biste mislili - Rumunija. Mnogi obrazovani ljudi pronašli su način da u svoju govornu komunikaciju ubace reči na engleskom jeziku. Ono što je više pomoglo tome nego medijima, za koje mislim da ste pravilno identifikovali, bio je sistem titlavanja umesto da se na televiziji presnimavaju strane produkcije. To vam odgovara uhu na stranim jezicima rano.

Da li radite na nečemu što se tiče jezika ili jednostavno izražavate mišljenje?

Imajte na umu da u zemljama gde strani jezik nije toliko čest, imate ljude poput Nidhala iz Tunisa koji veruju da bi univerzalni jezik pomogao naporima u izgradnji mira:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/a-global-language-village/7771

PS Izvinite zbog grešaka, koristim Google Translate da pišem na srpskom!"
3,60004,2019-09-27T07:15:29.288Z,10886,1,14,13,1,0,0,12.8,59963,anon3346229079,anon2678212969,"Sve tocno, kao neko ko je ucio 4 strana jezika primjetio sam da se kroz jezik vidi i duh naroda koji ga koristi. On se uglavnom organski mijenja i to je zajednicko za cijeli svijet. Eto ja danas kad cujem klince kako pricaju Francuski ne razumijem mnoge rijeci, niti ih razumiju moji prijatelji kojima je Francuski maternji. 
Eto i ti kazes ""vokabular"", iako nema smisla u Srpskom jeziku, ali eto ako je ta rijec organski usla u jezik onda je postala dio njega. Imamo vjerojatno stotine hiljada rijeci koje imaju strano porijeklo. Eto citav Engleski jezik je latinski/francuski, Holandski je mjesavina Engleskog, Njemackog i Danskog ja mislim itd.

Sto se tice uproscavanja jezika, skracenica itd tu ima raznih razloga, jedan je definitivno koriscenje tog jezika u medijima.
Ima jedna, po meni puno gora, stvar a to je skracanon598341349je i pojednostavljanon598341349je knjiga od strane izdavaca. 
Zasto? Pa zato sto cak i osoba koja se zeli baviti knjizevnoscu ce imati osiromasen fond rijeci ako se ta tendencija nastavi. To se odavno radi, jos je Aldous Huxley pricao o tome objasnjavajuci kako knjiga koja je 1960 godine imala 300 strana, u trecem izdanju 1990 godine ima 220 strana...
Tu su i razni proizvodi koje koristi vecina ljudi danas a koji navikavaju ljude na brzo/kratko i idu dalje...ljudi su bombardovani beskorisnim informacijama.

Ja volim razlicite kulture i jezike, mislim da je to nase bogatstvo, ali u doba globalizma kad su svi izlozeni svacemu, kulture se mjesaju i promjene u jeziku se desavaju puno brze. Danas se sve u svijetu mijenja puno brze.

Koje bi bilo rijesenje za tako nesto? Ne vrijedi cak ni podizati nivo jezika u zvanicnim medijima, danas mladi sve vise gledaju sto god zele na internetu."
4,60011,2019-09-27T09:11:23.453Z,10886,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,60001,anon2678212969,anon2446385507,"Pozdrav i hvala na rečima dobrodošlice! :slightly_smiling_face:

Mislim da je problem sa jezikom prisutan svuda, a čini se ponajviše u zemljama istočne Evrope. Između titlovanja i sinhronizovanja sadržaja podrđavam prvu opciju iz dva razloga: 1) mnogo se lakše uči neki strani jezik (ne mora biti engleski, šta više posebno je korisno kod učenja drugih jezika gde se time sluša pravilan izgovor); 2) više estetski problem - upotreba jezika drugačijeg od originala u tonskom zapisu ume da izgleda i zvuči loše ako je produkcija slaba i može uticati na doživljaj samog video materijala. U Srbiji je takođe uobičajna praksa titlovanja i nisam ranije primetio toliku ""deformaciju"" u jeziku koliko je to postalo izraženo u protekloj deceniji.

Što se univerzalnog jezika i njegove korelacije sa mirom u svetu tiče, bez namere da nekoga uvredim kako kao osobu tako i kao ideju, mislim da je to samo fraza koju koriste i devojke na izboru za ""Mis sveta"" (""cilj mi je mir u svetu""). Jedan jezik ne bi promenio ljudsku svest. Tome u prilog činjenica da je sve više ljudi upoznato i koristi engleski jezik ali mir nije ništa dominantiji nego što je to bio ranije.

Lično, radio sam kao novinar i urednik u štampanim i elektronskim medijima (mada nisam baš toliko star :thinking:), na copywriting-u, pisao knjige, učestvovao na različitim konferencijama, a danas sam posvećen učenju drugih jezika i radu na Google Prevodicu. 

Na kraju, nekoliko reči i o ovom i drugim Google proizvodima koji koriste veštačku inteligenciju i prilagođavanje lokalnim tržištima. U poslednjih par godina evidentno je poboljšanje ove platforme u jasnijem prilagođavanju i smislenom kontekstualnom prevođenju, tako da je prevod Vaše objave sasvim prihvatljiv. Ipak, ne znam koliko ste upućeni u sistem popunjavanja same baze ranon3760934795oživih reči. Naime, ovde takođe može do izražaja lični vokabular (dakle upravo taj sporni detalj) pojedinca: samu platformu možemo zamisliti kao prazno platno gde na jednoj strani imamo reči ili delove rečenica koje su korisnicima ponuđene za prevod na maternji ili drugi jezik koji poznaju. Nakon što učesnik unese svoju definiciju prevoda, sistem proverava da li se takav prevod poklapa sa prevodima drugih korisnika i označava je tačnim. Takođe, reči se stavljaju na raspolaganje drugim krosicnima da ih provere i označe kao pouzdane. Iako je način učenja veštačke inteligencije očekanon598341349, mi sami ne radimo na tome da je naučimo pravilnim rečima već iskrivljenim varijetetima koji će onda zaista postati važeći."
5,60012,2019-09-27T09:46:42.987Z,10886,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,60004,anon2678212969,anon3346229079,"Pozdrav,

Tuđice u jeziku su očekanon598341349a pojava, a ako gledamo kroz istoriju ne samo latinski već i grčki su ostvarili izuzetan uticaj na druge jezike (i kulturu). I to je prirodno. 

Uređanon598341349je knjiga i njihovo skraćanon598341349je je možda i posledica poznate internet skraćenice TL;DR (too lond; didn't read). Mlađe generacije jednostavno nemaju razvijenu naviku čitanja, a pažnja im je rasuta tako da im sve što je duže od objave na Facebook-u (nekoliko redova) predstavlja zamor (time se odlično pozabavio Nikolas Kar u knjizi ""Plitko""). Ako se neko želi baviti književnošću, imaće dodatni podstrek da pronađe obimnija dela ukoliko ga to stvarno interesuje, što je opet pitanje stvarne želje.

Konstatacija da se danas kulture mešaju, a promene u jeziku se dešavaju puno brže je poznata i tačna, ali ne opravdava nepotrebno prisvajanje reči.

Rešenje zapravo leži u onima koji žele da doprinesu očuvanju jezika i to ne na ""agersanon598341349"" način - upornim i nametnutim korišćenjem, već prihvatanjem evolucije: savremene tehnologije (uključujući veštačku inteligenciju) predstavljaju nespornu budućnost, onda je na nama da tu veštačku inteligenciju naučimo (napunimo) pravilnim rečima i pismu. Mislim da bi jedan jednostavan korak takođe bio i kada bih u tvojim objavama video ""kvačice"" - ne misliš li da je i to uprošćavanje jezika?"
6,60081,2019-09-29T09:02:54.879Z,10886,0,10,9,1,1,0,7.0,60012,anon3346229079,anon2678212969,"[quote=""anon2678212969, post:5, topic:10886""]
Mlađe generacije jednostavno nemaju razvijenu naviku čitanja, a pažnja im je rasuta tako da im sve što je duže od objave na Facebook-u (nekoliko redova) predstavlja zamor (time se odlično pozabavio Nikolas Kar u knjizi “Plitko”)
[/quote]
Pa da, sad je pitanje da li pravimo proizvode koje ljudi traze jer su mladje generacije takve ili se ljudi mijenjaju zbog proizvoda/alatki koje su naviknuti da koriste a koji mozda zaglupljuju ljude? :slight_smile: Idiocracy je bas odlican film na tu temu :slight_smile: 

Svidja mi se ideja koristenja savremene tehnologije, zvuci prakticno i izvodivo da mi naucimo vjestacku inteligenciju pravilnom pismu pa da se tako prenosi dalje siroj masi.
Po trenutnoj metodologiji doduse to nije izvodivo ako se gleda prijevod korisnika i uporedjuje sa drugim korisnicima. Tako ce opet doci do promjena kojima smo svjedoci.

Sto se tice kvacica, ne vidim potrebu za njima u mom postu a in u vecini tvog. Dovoljno je osnovno razumjevanje jezika i neka logika da bi neko shvatio da ziv jezik ne znaci bukvalno ziv ili da agresanon598341349 nacin ne znaci nasilan vec u ovom kontekstu znaci dominantan, nametati nesto ljudima protiv njihove volje :slight_smile:. U zadnih 15ak godina rijetko citam nesto na nasem jeziku pa necu pricati za novija izdanja ali citam puno od seste godine i ne sijecam se bas toliko koristenja kvacica u knjizevnosti ili potrebe. Mozda i grijesim doduse."
7,60117,2019-09-30T07:10:56.441Z,10886,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,60011,anon2446385507,anon2678212969,"Ako pod izobličenim sortama mislite na pojednostavljeni i osiromašeni vokabular, u potpunosti se slažem! Po mom mišljenju, to znači da će jednostavniji i manji broj reči u nekom jeziku biti jezgro tog jezika, a mnogi drugi (smatraju se previše arhaičnim, književnim itd.) Propadaju jer postaju zastareli u savremenim masovnim kulturama. Ili imate bolji primer?"
8,61001,2019-10-09T11:33:35.649Z,10886,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,59963,anon2614214130,anon2678212969,"Pozdrav, @anon2678212969
Vrlo zanimljiva tema, pogotovo jednom filologu! Ono sto se ja cesto zapitam jeste sta bi rekli Srbi iz 1767. godine o jeziku koji se govorio 1950-ih (koji mi danas uzimamo za reper, i za ""ispravan""). Ne znam zasto, ali imam osecaj da bi rekli isto sto i mi danas za ove promene kojima svedocimo. :slight_smile:
Svakako sjajan text i jako zanimljiva tema! U Beogradu ce se u novembru odrzati prva Edgeryders radionica. Da li ste culi za to? I da li cemo se upoznati tamo?
Pozdrav!"
1,56086,2019-07-02T16:04:35.971Z,10282,2,28,27,70,0,0,485.6,56086,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Nearly two weeks ago I had a peek at the first Polish Biennale - I went to attend the Transunions, but also to see some of the theater performances, exhibitions, and music performances. I have learned a lot during this short weekend. But let me first unpack the Transunions, because this is where some key things happened. 

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First of all, my expectations were really high - Jonas Staal has become quite a stature in the art/politics world, organizing expansive, experimental formats for political debates, especially empowering for those who lack a voice and recognition. All that using as a backdrop the Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw this time - a monument with its own incredible, complicated story. And yet it was so underwhelming - as if printing a colorful carpet and building colorful tables would give the much needed revolutionary edge to the meeting (if you go for constructivist esthetics, you probably count on it, right?). 

As much as I love listening to smart people and learning new things about the world, I thought running this meeting in a form of a  panel, where 14 speakers were asked questions by two moderators, with the audience sitting on uncomfortable benches behind them, having to look at the screens if they wanted to see the person speaking, had as little transformative potential as it gets. 

I was happy to hear the journey of UNPO, an organization established in 1991 in Hague, that associates ""nations"" and groups that don't feel represented in their countries or internationally while considering the complexity of these entities, their stories, needs, and desires. Many of them do not wish for statehood or independence, rather self-determination that drives them towards peace. Many were caught in between power struggles, often because of their strategic location (borders, natural resources). The speaker, **Fernando Burges**, called the nation-state problem a Russian doll - you would always keep on having smaller and smaller groups demanding recognition, which is not feasible. Instead, their members want a seat at the table. An interesting example he gave was the presence of Washington DC in the organization as a state that doesn't have its own representation - while contributing one of the highest GDPs in the world. 

**Diouna Kcherie** elaborated on the grooming process at the UN and the power struggles behind it. She had been working for years in the communications in New York's UNICEF, UNHCR and others. She underlined the importance of the donor-receiver dynamics that create inequalities within the organization, as well as the young professionals' program that is addressed towards citizens of developing countries and financed by the donors (rich countries). She saw it problematic - years spent at the institutions, where these young talented people would be taught how and what to say in their professional capacity. She also criticized other mechanisms at play - for example, the fact that Greece wouldn't accept the help from UNHCR when dealing with the refugee crisis, because it didn't want to be perceived as a developing country. 

**Andrzej Nowak**, Polish philosopher, elaborated in a more scientific manner on the ills of the contemporary nation-state and what is being done to and with the underlying narratives. Poland, just like the US, loves its bombastic narratives, yet these are nowadays combined with other ideas, making the dismantling of the state as a protector (one that provides with stability, health, safety) possible. For example, the neo-liberal dream is manifested in anti-vaxxers movement or neo-tribalism. Adding to this the north/south division, we find ourselves in an increasingly difficult position to cooperate and build new kinds of unions. He called Poland a nationalist international, a cynical member of international institutions.

**Abderrahim Kassou** from FMAS (Morrocan Forum of Alternatives) stressed the importance of looking for solutions in the south - and how the rest of the world will benefit from these. He cried at the ""almost-fatal impossibility"" to migrate to Europe from countries other than the three that are at war and are given a chance to escape. Considering these circumstances, he doesn't imagine nation-state surviving the challenges posed by the 21st century. 

What I found really intriguing in this part of the conference was Andrzej Nowak's suggestion that our role is now to do an ethnographic study of the nation-state and understand and hijack its roles, by determining what and how should they be provided and protected. His term for the times we live in was ""festival of entropy"". John Jordan, an artist and activist, asked what we want to do with the power - to constitute, or destitute it? For him, the ideals that Zapatistas stood for - breaking up power and handing it out to autonomous organisation - was something worth bringing back to life. In times when corporations slowly take over many of the state's traditional roles, while being relatively unregulated, we have an opportunity to build some of the roles bottom-up. 

And then the first signs of what was about to happen: **Diana Arce** from the Berlin Black Lives Matter, started with raising the issue of violence that the nation-state is funded on, quoting a case of a British citizen, who happens to be black, who was stripped of her nationality because she joined ISIS - she is trying to escape, but she won't be allowed back to her country. She was surprised by the lack of minority votes in the discussion, but also very western examples given - such as the artwork shown at the Biennale, where Spanish artist Nuria Guell shows the steps she took to denounce her Spanish nationality, which turned out to be impossible. The position of privilege here was definitely under-stressed. 

**Siana Bangura**, black artist and activist from the UK, seconded that by saying removing yourself from a problem is not a solution, merely an escape - we should all face the underlying currents of violence on which the nation state was founded. 

No questions asked by the public (no time for that), we move on to the second panel, where we start hearing other inspiring stories: **John Jordan**, who was part of a movement that squatted an area on which the French state planned to build an airport, talks about his role in the resistance and the movement that succesfully developed there over years. ZAD, located in Brittany, became a sustainable community seen by the state as a threat ""worse than Mosul in Iraq"" (quote from the president of the region). The government attempted multiple times to destroy it, until it finally succeeded in 2019. For him disobedience and direct action are the ways forward, as the state does not hand out help. Key challenges? When you try to convince others, you create monocultures. The idea is to learn to work and live together in diversity. 

When Diana Arce and Angelo Camufingo from Germany started talking about the history of black people in Germany, with over 500 years of their presence in the country, and disappearing traces of first PhDs awarded to black citizens (the records are there, but the thesis isn't - all the others survived, though), and the support the German state gave to slave trade in history, one of the German members of the public comes up to the microphone and takes over. He tells us his story of being a Sri Lankan born to a resistance fighter in Germany in the 80-ties, and denied to this day citizenship, because his parents are not German. He had to leave the country at some point due to this status and became a refugee in his parents' country for a decade, then moved to India. He is now back in Germany, where he is raising a child with his partner, and experiences the incredible hypocrisy and injustice of the way states in Europe have been set up, addressing personally some of the panelists and accusing them of propagating the modernist, sick nation state, speaking from the position of power and privilege (those who came from outside of the ""North"" weren't spared). 

And this is when the battle started. Moderators were trying to steer the conversation back on the track and give voice to the next guest speaker - while Diana stood up and asked them to shut the fuck up and swallow their discomfort. She decided to give her space to someone who wants to share their experience, and this is what she demands now. Intervention from the minority voices continues, while the panelists stubbornly attempt at bringing back the ""harmony"". Eventually, they succeed and  **Zdenka Badovinac** gave her speech about her work in a contemporary art museum in Ljubljana and relations between wealthy art collectors and Eastern European countries. It couldn't feel more out of touch than it did at this point. 

Finally, Jonas Staal stood up and anon3760934795ogized for what happened at the panel - the way it was designed and led wasn't benefiting the purpose of the debate. So the third part would happen in a setting stripped of tables. The microphones stayed where they were, but because those who represented female-and-minority-led (Kurdish Women's Movement, Black Lives Matter) organizations decided to seat with the public in the outer circle, the format changed. The last part turned into an exchange of experiences, strategies and ways to mobilize that  these alternative movements design and devise. It finally didn't have the refined flavour of a professional and academic debate, but a frank conversation where people could discuss strategies that worked (Black Lives Matter in the UK successfully made it impossible for the British government to keep on selling arms to countries like Saudi Arabia, thanks to a lawsuit they won after trying 4 times!), **Dilar Dirk** gave a powerful explanation on the principles behind the female-led movement in Kurdistan: the need to decolonize ourselves from patriarchy, the way new structures of confederation have to be led by women, internationalization will be based on common struggle, which goes beyond efficiency, and beyond the circle of violence. An Egyptian artist, now in residence in Zamek Ujazdowski, talked about the need to develop new concepts of time, others criticised the NGOisation of resistance and the theft by these organizations of revolutionary ideas. 

There were more interesting stories to quote, but my key takeaway from this event was: if we want to work on world-shaping and revolutionary ideas, these old school formats with their old school ways of leading the discussion, and their exclusive content, have to be replaced by something that is driven by minorities and women, and communities. It needs to be more organic, community-based, and then somehow internationalized - as there is an obvious need of developing collaborations between the countries in the global south, the poorer countries in the ""North"", and various disadvantaged groups and communities all around the globe. This was not a setting where a strong platform and collaboration could be conceived - it rather showed how white, privileged men struggle breaking through some of the power structures in order to turn them into vehicles of radical change. Only when women, most of them of color, took over the floor, the debate seemed to be gaining the right energy - but then it was late, people were hurt and too much energy was already wasted. 

I will update this post with a video of this conference when it shows online, as it was promised. I really recommend having a look at it, maybe some of you will see it differently. That's a very subjective recap from that experience."
2,56092,2019-07-02T18:00:54.722Z,10282,0,20,19,1,0,0,24.0,56086,anon1659154220,anon3593942245,wow what a story.
3,56201,2019-07-05T08:02:04.647Z,10282,1,18,17,8,0,0,63.6,56086,anon781457888,anon3593942245,"Sounds about right :) 

I was wondering how they were going to navigate having all of these different voices in one physical room with the clock ticking. That's the thing about real-time ""broadcast"" conversations where one person at a time has the floor - there is simply not enough bandwidth for everyone to be heard on their own terms and relationship to language. And a nightmare for introverts. 

Perhaps it is rather a question of untangling the various needs that this, and any other, event is trying to fullfill...

Seeing and being heard?
Access to structured, easy to digest, information?
Building relationships?
Other?

We were discussing the other day with @anon2867672406 and @anon2446385507 the purpose of physical events. Especially international conferences where a lot of people travel to get there. If for no other reason than that travelling unless it is absolutely unavoidable is really starting to bother us. 

I cannot let go of this idea to run federated events - you know, global date for local events type format. Auonomous groups organise their local events, but collaborating and coordinating online to build a strong, interesting program. Then document and post learnings online so people everywhere can learn what happens in different places and build on it.

@anon

Would be interesting to explore this a bit more"
4,56212,2019-07-05T08:49:40.421Z,10282,1,16,15,1,0,0,43.2,56201,anon3593942245,anon781457888,"I agree, there has to be a certain level of unionization and collaboration, as the struggles need to go beyond the local, and be well-embedded in local at the same time. I'd love to try to prototype something like this, maybe for our autumn session. We're on the path to it already anyway :) 

So no, no big congresses (although I am really tempted to do a more bombastic event for utopian thinkers and doers, with a bit more pretentious format maybe, but after seeing this one, I know I really have to be smart about subverting politics and avoid replicating elements that simply don't serve, like it or not, the way we want to world to go forward)."
5,56311,2019-07-08T09:26:19.197Z,10282,1,13,12,2,1,0,32.6,56212,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
if we want to work on world-shaping and revolutionary ideas, these oldschool formats with their oldschool ways of leading the discussion, and their exclusive content, have to be replaced by something that is driven by minorities and women, and communities
[/quote]

It also starts with how selective we are about our own events, or the conditions under which people choose to participate. More and more so we see more gender equity in events: because of public shaming and saying no, something did change.

Can similar mechanics be at play when it comes to standard formats? People refusing to speak when there's a podium and audience."
6,56338,2019-07-08T14:46:59.418Z,10282,0,12,11,1,0,0,37.4,56311,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"I guess so! And in fact this was another strange part of this event: gender equality - check! It was women who saved the women, and it will be people bold enough to rid of these hierarchical encounters who will then move us closer to better lives. It's also super hard to unlearn these patterns, but I would totally see us kneading these November meetings with local communities and ensuring very small, very participative, and very diverse situations happen there, where those who lost their jobs, who are in debt, who care for their parents, would kind of shape these discussions, and let the hipsters listen :)"
7,57160,2019-07-25T19:42:01.363Z,10282,1,9,8,1,1,0,11.8,56086,anon2867672406,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
Andrzej Nowak’s suggestion that our role is now to do an ethnographic study of the nation-state and understand and hijack its roles, by determining what and how should they be provided and protected.
[/quote]


Now, here's an idea! #project-opencare was this, limited to health and social care services. :slight_smile: 

[quote=""anon
if we want to work on world-shaping and revolutionary ideas, these old school formats with their old school ways of leading the discussion, and their exclusive content, have to be replaced by something that is driven by minorities and women, and communities.
[/quote]

Why ""replaced""? Different formats work for different people with different purposes. Some people gather around whiteboards, scribble equations and point excitedly at them. Others meditate in silence. Others still burn incense, or hug trees, or whatever.. It makes complete sense to want to innovate on formats (we do enough of that ourselves!); it even makes sense to refuse to go to event when we don't like their format. But I would never want to _stop others_ from using whatever format works for them. 

In the darkest days of the unMonastery, @anon

[quote=""anon
but then it was late, people were hurt and too much energy was already wasted.
[/quote]
Which is how these things usually end. 

(It's a general point, but in a project like this, even more care than usual must be displayed towards people that sympathize with the populist messages, etc.)

(Thus spake the whyte myddle-aged male :-D )"
8,57163,2019-07-25T20:10:33.522Z,10282,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,57160,anon3593942245,anon2867672406,"the statement by Andrzej Nowak made me think exactly of the potential of our work in providing such answers and better understanding of complex systems. Translating it into practice is obviously super difficult, but we're collecting a lot of great proposals as we go here on this platform. Edgeryders hijacking the system, yes!

Agreed with the replacement statement - it's too much and it's not necessary or productive. As I go with this project, I slowly realize the need for diversity and plurality. I keep on saying things like this, though, out of an old, radical habit :) Let's keep on innovating and tweaking :slight_smile:"
9,57209,2019-07-27T08:21:45.011Z,10282,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,56086,anon2468062034,anon3593942245,woah @anon
10,60989,2019-10-09T09:32:22.145Z,10282,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,56086,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"I decided to use this thread also to collect references for future work - as I have been researching formats and ways of doing panels for the session I will be moderating soon at IETM plenary, I found a couple of very nice ideas

1. http://www.liberatingstructures.com/ - more for working groups, and more outcome-oriented
2. https://agilefacil.wordpress.com/2018/06/21/shaking-up-the-other-plenary-dinosaur-panel-discussions-redux/ - 
3. How to create an interesting panel, from female perspective: https://innovationwomen.com/the-event-managers-guide-to-creative-alternatives-for-panels/ (it's not really that feminist, but some of the tips I plan to test as they do seem to create a more open and inclusive 
space)
4. Toolkits and methods for listening and sharing - kstoolkit.org 


I hope these can be useful for some of you in the future. Also happy to share my experience from the panel I will be doing soon to see how it works out, and how it fits the size (I was told it will be around 50-70 people, which is difficult to manage and open, but certainly not impossible)"
1,60765,2019-10-06T15:16:36.118Z,11036,0,12,11,2,0,0,12.4,60765,anon1482630830,anon1482630830,"Jestem terapeutką i aktywistką, czuję się Wojowniczką Serca

Siostrzeństwo – odpowiedź na kryzys duchowy świata

Świat w tym Polska skręcają ostro w prawo. Wsteczne siły świata podziału i przemocy zwierają szyki, usiłują za wszelką cenę utrzymać rząd dusz i strefy wpływów. Uzurpatorzy wzmacniają poczucie zagrożenia przed nie przewidywalnym światem. Manipulując strachem, zasiewają nienawiść, pogardę i przemoc. Ich zasada to „dziel i rządź”. Dzielą ludzi na wrogie plemiona. Dają swoim wyznawcom trwałe, choć fałszywe poczucie tożsamości, godności, przynależności, mocy i wspólnego wroga.

 Starcy patriarchatu boją się mocy kobiet i znów próbują nas zniewolić, zawłaszczyć nasze ciała, seksualność i rozrodczość .

Odpowiedź kobiet na świecie i w Polsce

Nie staniemy się ofiarami systemu, który dehumanizuje. Dajemy odpór i wybieramy wartości stanowiące opokę naszego człowieczeństwa! Wybieramy „kochaj i łącz!”.  Im bardziej tym usiłują nas „odczłowieczyć”, zniszczyć nasze życie, złamać kręgosłup i wolną wolę tym bardziej stajemy w swojej mocy i prawdzie.

Kryzys stał się wielkim demokratą i sprzymierzeńcem. Wyzwolił fantastyczną energię kobiet na całym świecie. Współdziałamy z Global Sisterhood,  tworzymy Krąg Siostrzeństwa i akcję „Obejmiemy Polskę Kręgiem Kobiet”. Wspieramy kobiety w rozwoju świadomości, niezależności, wolności, godności i mocy.  Jesteśmy orędowniczkami kultury holistycznej, kultywującej życie w całości. Wnosimy wartości takie jak miłość, współodczuwanie, szacunek, uważność, więzi, wsparcie, współpraca, wspólnota i wolność. Budzimy ludzi do świadomości miłosnej więzi z Ziemią. Zapraszamy mężczyzn do współdziałania. Twórzmy razem przyjazny świat."
2,60901,2019-10-08T12:22:04.976Z,11036,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,60765,anon3593942245,anon1482630830,"Hej @anon1482630830 - witamy w edgeryders!

Bardzo wierzę w siostrzeństwo i kobiece ""wartości"" jako jeden z leków na nowoczesne problemy. To już nie bolączki, to głębokie, systemowe popsucie wszystkiego - naszych relacji z planetą, która nas karmi, z innymi osobami, z zasobami, z własną osobą. Czy zechciałabyś może opowiedzieć coś o waszej pracy? A może zorganizować spotkanie, warsztat, grupę roboczą w ramach naszego spotkania w Polsce? Byłabym bardzo ciekawa poznać trochę głębiej wasze metody, filozofię, cele, no i to, jak wam idzie w patriarchalnej, kościelnej, konserwatywnej ojczyźnie? Wartości, jak widzę, mamy podobne."
3,60909,2019-10-08T12:56:19.720Z,11036,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,60765,anon1482630830,anon1482630830,"Hej Natalia, cieszę się, że czujesz rezonans z tym co piszę. Czy jesteś w Polsce? Mam sporo materiałów, mogę Ci jakoś przesłać. Robimy ""Warsztaty Tradycji Kręgu"", ""Zgromadzenia Kręgów Kobiet"", uczestniczymy w Centrum Duchowym Kongresu Kobiet itp, ale jeszcze ciągle kultura kręgów jest niszowa. Chętnie zorganizuję coś na co będzie przestrzeń podczas Forum. Na fb jesteśmy w grupie Kobiety Zwołujące Kręgi, można się tam zgłosić, jest sporo informacji...chętnie pogadam z Tobą, pozdrawiam serdecznie, tanna"
1,58448,2019-08-27T13:01:39.676Z,10621,0,12,11,48,0,0,242.4,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"“Głęboka demokracja w naszym poczuciu znaczy, iż świat jest tutaj, by pomóc nam stawać się pełniejszymi, a my jesteśmy tutaj, by świat mógł stać się pełnym.” Arnold Mindell

Szanowni

W listopadzie organizujemy wraz z Polskim Towarzystwem Psychologii Procesu Otwarte Forum dla naszego podzielonego społeczeństwa. To będzie duża rzecz!!!

Czym jest Otwarte Forum? 

Wszyscy krzyczą, obrzucają się inwektywami i przypisują sobie nawzajem najgorsze cechy oraz intencje. Tak wyglądają nasze dyskusje: w domu, w metrze, w sejmie i w  telewizji. Demokracja wściekłości, pogardy i strachu. Czy jest na to jakieś lekarstwo?  W jaki sposób psychologia może przyczynić się do poprawy życia społeczności  takich jak anon1235093333sta, stowarzyszenia czy korporacje?  Z pomocą przychodzi Arnold Mindell- twórca Psychologii Zorientowanej na Proces (POP) oraz narzędzia zwanego Otwartym Forum. OF pozwala  skutecznie radzić sobie z trudnościami występującymi w społecznościach oraz umożliwia budowanie poczucia wspólnoty między jej członkami. Opiera się ona na koncepcji  głębokiej demokracji, która zakłada, że dopiero ujawnienie WSZYSTKICH stanowisk istniejących w danej grupie umożliwia wypracowanie prawdziwie satysfakcjonujących  rozwiązań jej problemów. Zadaniem osoby prowadzącej spotkanie (facylitatora) jest przede wszystkim stworzenie przestrzeni, w której członkowie danej grupy mogliby  przedstawić nie tylko swoje poglądy na daną kwestię, ale i uczucia, które ona wzbudza. Zadanie to wyanon1547754019 umiejętności dostrzegania najdrobniejszych sygnałów  pojawiających się w grupie oraz odwagi podążania za tym, co się wydarza w trakcie interakcji między uczestnikami spotkania. 

Dr Arnold Mindell jest twórcą psychologii zorientowanej na proces, która czerpie inspiracje z teorii Junga, taoizmu i fizyki kwantowej. Jego koncepcje znajdują  zastosowanie w psychoterapii, psychiatrii, rozwiązywaniu konfliktów oraz w pracy z małymi i dużymi grupami. 

W tym miesjcu zachęcam wszystkich do dzielenia się swoimi sugestiami, spostrzeżeniami i wątpliowściami. Wątpliwości zapraszam w szczególności! :)

Mikołaj"
2,58676,2019-09-02T12:15:25.825Z,10621,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,58448,anon750699873,anon2693311786,"no, no...ambitnie. Trzeba by zacząć od zdiagnozowania wartości jakie się kryją za poglądami, potem popracować nad emocjami...ja tu widzę długoterminową psychoterapię grupową ;)"
3,58743,2019-09-03T19:46:37.262Z,10621,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,58676,anon2693311786,anon750699873,"Trzymamy się z daleka od terapii grupowej:) Czas jest bardzo ograniczony, ale czuję, że z to może być początek czegoś większego... Wpadaj jak coś!"
4,59576,2019-09-18T12:51:22.638Z,10621,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Przygotowania idą bardzo dobrze. Coraz bardziej uaktywnia się grupa osób chętnych do działania. @anon

Co mamy:
1. Termin: 20.11.2019
2. Mamy głównego prowadzącego- Gary Reiss
3. Mamy wstępnie lokal, trzeba dopilnować, żeby nam nie uciekł.
4. Grupa jest coraz bardziej aktywna. Uaktywniają się zarówno liderzy Towarzystwa jak i członkowie zwykli
5. Najbliższe zadania: 
- sstalenie tytułu Otwartego Forum i napisanie zaproszenia
-  Stworzenie listy gości
- nagłośnienie całej sprawy w mediach
- kolejne spotkania robocze grupy-
- znalezienie dobrego tłumacza dla Garego

Śanon1235093333ło zaproszam do pytań..."
5,59774,2019-09-23T16:47:00.998Z,10621,1,12,11,10,0,0,57.4,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Podsumowanie spotkania roboczego facylitatorów 20.09.2019
@anon

Mamy za sobą drugie spotkanie, ale pierwsze w tak licznym gronie (11).
Pierwszy raz anon1235093333łem przyjemność pracować w grupie profesjonalistów nad bardzo delianon3213561856ną kwestią i wyzwaniem jakim jest organizacja Otwartego Forum. Bardzo cenne doświadczenie.
Zebranie tak licznej grupy, zachęcenie ich do współtworzenia OF to już ogromny sukces, nad którym długo pracowaliśmy. Wszak tego typu wydarzenia nie często u nas goszczą, szczególnie w obecnej sytuacji społeczno-politycznej. W dużej mierze fakt, że się spotkaliśmy, zawdzięczamy naszej mentorce, która nas prowadzi. Zastanawialiśmy się wspólnie i wyrażaliśmy nasze osobiste wątpliwości i motywacje związane z organizacją OF. Te ostatnie są jak się okazuje są dość różne (tym lepiej). Rozważaliśmu nad najwłaściwszą formułą wydarzenia..
Jako przedstawiciel Edgeryders na spotkaniu przedstawiłem wymogi konraktowe jakie stawiane są w związku z eventem. Najwięszym wyzwaniem jest doprowadzenie do tego, 
żeby uczestnicy zostawili po sobie swój ślad na forum. Po wspólnej debacie uznaliśmy, że obecność w Otwartym Forum nie może być w żaden sposób warunkowa, bo to kłóciłoby się z samą ideą. Podkreśliłem jednak, że moim zadaniem jest zachęcać na każdym kroku do udziału w dyskusji na naszym portalu. Na następnym spotkaniu

(03.10.) chciałbym przedstawić w jaki sobsób chciałbym spowodować, żeby jak największa liczba osób dołączyła po evencie do naszego forum. Pierwszym pomysłem jest moja osobista prośba do każdego uczestnika na koniec eventu o pozostawienie po zakończeniu wydarzenia po sobie anonimowo podsumowania i wrażeń z wydarzenia, w którym wzięli udział. A może... w ostatnie pół godziny poprsiłbym o pozostawienie po sobie każdego z uczestników anonimowej notatki? To jest do wspólnego ustalenia. 
Padł pomysł, żeby spróbować formuły typu: ""Opowiedz nam swoją historię"" podczas której wszyscy uczestnicy mają chwilę na podzielenie się swoim osobistym kawałkiem...
Powrócił pomysł wspólnego gotowania. Trochę o tym pofantazjowałem i pomyślałem, że świetnym pomysłem (tanim i łączącym ludzi) byłoby wspólne lepienie pierogów. 
Czyli, np. podczas dwugodzinnej przerwy obiadowej zasiadamy razem do stołu i lepimy z uprzednio przygotowanych półproduktów pierogi, które później razem zajadamy. 
To będzie też okazja na nawiązanie relacji. Co o tym myślicie?
W drugiej, mniejszej sali można zrobić warsztat dla działaczy społecznych zagrożonych wypaleniem. Zgłosiła się już doświadczona osoba chętna do nieodpłatnego przeprowadzenia takiego warsztatu.
Technicznie: nagrywanie będzie trudne za sprawą RODO. Bardziej doświadczone osoby z zespołu w organizacji dużych wydarzeń, mówią, że to byłoby karkołomne zadanie. Jeszcze badamy tę kwestię. Najbardziej prawdopodobne będzie poproszenie kogoś o notowanie wszystkiego co wydarzy się na evencie.

Kolejne działania:
- 03.10.2019 kolejne spotkanie, na którym wybierzemy odpowiednią formułę i zastanowimy się nad gośćmi
- wówczas będziemy mogli zająć się promocją wydarzenia i zaproszeniem gości;
- oraz pozostałymi sprawami organizacyjnymi

Co o tym myślicie? Proszę o uwagi."
6,59873,2019-09-25T10:40:23.462Z,10621,0,10,9,2,0,0,27.0,59774,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"Hi and thanks for your note, it is interesting to read.

As my understanding of the Polish language is non-existent, I am responding based on what I have understood from Google translate - so if my responses seem strange it could be because I misunderstood something. That said, these are my thoughts:

1. You mention a delicate issue. Can you help me to understand what it is so that I am not making any assumptions that might be inaccurate?

2.  Am I correct in understanding that the presence in the event cannot be conditional to having signed up on the edgeryders platform? If the answer is yes, did you discuss how/where people will register to the event? 

3. Here in the forum anonymity is not a problem, many people create an alias and all they need to participate is an email address. What is important is that each individual creates an edgeryders.eu  and publishes their own reflections/notes onto the platform from their own individual account. 

What we have done in the past is 

## **Before the event:**
* **Make sure you a dedicated documentation team**: These people who will be responsible for taking notes during the event. they have to be fast typers :)
* **Create a custom made registration form for people to fill in.** In this registration form we collect the contact information for the different individuals including their email address and an alias they wish to have to safeguard their anonymity. This form is designed in such a way as to communicate clearly:

 1) that the event will be documented for research purposes and why it is useful to society and to the participant
 2) how the research will be conducted (step by step description of the process) and give examples of what things will come out from the research
 3) there are boxes for people with questions they have to answer so that we are 100% sure that they understand and give their consent to what this means. 

* **Send people an email with materials for them to download**: These will be templates they will need to bring with them for the exercises.

* **Send people a last minute email reminder*. 2 days before the event you remind people when & where the event is happening. Also ask people to bring their laptop if they have one.

## During the event 
* **Make sure your documentation team are on location, have at least one laptop each and have fully understood the instructions for how to do the documenting.** do make sure that someone who is on your team is taking very thorough notes from the discussions. This means: sitting with a laptop and typing, word by  word, what different people are saying. It is important to differentiate when different people are saying different things giving each person a codename (their initials) (almost like the format for scripts that actors get to learn their characters' lines)  . 

 **BEFORE each participant has left the room:**

* Make sure that the documentation team have posted all their notes on the platform

* Collect/double check each individual's email address/ and make sure that they have  received an email with instructions for how to access the notes! and 

*  Do a demonstration of the process of opening your email, going to the website, logging in and then going to the right place on the platform and then publishing your own notes.

## After the event
Write a follow up email inviting people to share their stories and that the best stories will be rewarded a storytelling prize.

Hope you find this information useful!"
7,60164,2019-09-30T14:04:04.642Z,10621,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Dziękuję @anon781457888, to jest bardzo pomocne. Na najbliższym spotkaniu (03.10) wybierzemy odpowiednią formułę wydarzenia i zastanowimy się na treścią zaproszeni, jak również gośćmi, których chcielibyśmy zaprosić. Zastanawiam się formularzem rejestracyjnym: W jaki sposób robiliście do dotychczas?

Pozdrawiam

Miko"
8,60174,2019-09-30T14:32:18.356Z,10621,0,10,9,3,1,0,17.0,60164,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"[quote=""anon2693311786, post:7, topic:10621""]
Dziękuję @anon781457888, to jest bardzo pomocne. Na najbliższym spotkaniu (03.10) wybierzemy odpowiednią formułę wydarzenia i zastanowimy się na treścią zaproszeni, jak również gośćmi, których chcielibyśmy zaprosić. Zastanawiam się formularzem rejestracyjnym: W jaki sposób robiliście do dotychczas?

Pozdrawiam
[/quote]

Hi, happy to hear it was useful.

To answer your question:

Rather than have a different registration form for each event, we present many different events that are organised by different autonomous groups as program points in the same festival. A festival that is happening in many different locations at the same time. 

The festival is presented as a co-created event. The tickets do not cost any money, but they can only be secured by people who contribute towards making it a meaningful, pleasant experience. 

For example, if someone is good at writing - they can help participants to collaboratively produce nice articles sharing what was exchanged or learned in a creative way. If someone is a good cook, they can offer to bring some nice food with them - or even better, to lead the process of people preparing a nice lunch together during the event. 

Someone else might be good at typing fast, they can help to take good notes from the discussion. 

When people fill in the form, they let us know what their location is so we know which event to connect them with. 

The rest of the registration form is designed to help us match people with the right tasks and events. 

By answering questions in the form, people give us an idea about what they might enjoy or be willing to contribute to the practical organisation of the event. All the responses to the questions in the form are posted on the platform. The edgeryders community managers then draw the attention of the event organisers,  yourself,  to the people who have registered to the festival and are located in Poland. So you can get in touch and discuss with each individual who wishes to participate.

Once the event organiser and paticipants agree on a task, the participant makes a commitment to their fellow participants of what they will do and they get get a ticket to the event sent to them by email. 

The process might sound complicated but I think it is easier if you can test the process yourself.

You can see the English version of the website here _(this is not complete and we are still updating the content, it is best to use a computer to view it as as it will only be ready for viewing with a mobile phone in a few days)_: 

https://festival.edgeryders.eu"
9,60415,2019-10-02T12:57:30.707Z,10621,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Wspólne narzędzie do rejastracji brzmi super i myślę, że załatwia nam ten problem. Ważne, żeby było niezawodne. Próbowałem to przetestować i nie dostałem żadnej wiadmości na maila. Czy będzie dostępna wyłącznie wesja angielska? 
Jeśli chodzi o współtworzenie, to @anon781457888 @anon

Z frontu organizacji Otwartego Forum. Dyrektorka Centrum Łowicka zrezygnowała z goszczenia nas :( Nie chciała słyszeć nawet o zapłacie za lokal- sama nie była gotowa na spotkanie budujące dialog... Na szczęście uaktywnił się zespół, który jest nie do przecenienia i szukamy alternatywy. 
Na ten moment pojawiły się trzy:
- Nowy Teatr, oraz Teatr Powszechny, które lubią wyzwania oraz jedno miejsce warsztatowe- może jeszcze dziś uda mi się tam zadzwonić Możliwe, że będzie to opcja płatna @anon"
10,60437,2019-10-02T18:31:03.310Z,10621,0,10,9,1,1,0,7.0,60415,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"[quote=""anon2693311786, post:9, topic:10621""]
Wspólne narzędzie do rejastracji brzmi super i myślę, że załatwia nam ten problem. Ważne, żeby było niezawodne. Próbowałem to przetestować i nie dostałem żadnej wiadmości na maila. Czy będzie dostępna wyłącznie wesja angielska?
Jeśli chodzi o współtworzenie, to @anon781457888 @anon

Z frontu organizacji Otwartego Forum. Dyrektorka Centrum Łowicka zrezygnowała z goszczenia nas :frowning: Nie chciała słyszeć nawet o zapłacie za lokal- sama nie była gotowa na spotkanie budujące dialog… Na szczęście uaktywnił się zespół, który jest nie do przecenienia i szukamy alternatywy.
Na ten moment pojawiły się trzy:

* Nowy Teatr, oraz Teatr Powszechny, które lubią wyzwania oraz jedno miejsce warsztatowe- może jeszcze dziś uda mi się tam zadzwonić Możliwe, że będzie to opcja płatna @anon
[/quote]

Hi, @anon"
11,60694,2019-10-04T15:48:49.810Z,10621,2,10,9,1,0,0,17.0,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej oto kilka głównych ustaleń naszego owocnego spotkania:
1. Bogna Szymkiewicz zgodziła się poprowadzić OF z Garym.
2. Zaproponowaliśmy następujący temat OF: „Polska podzielona. Czy możemy się spotkać?”
3. Otwarte Forum potrwa 3 godziny. Myślę, że trzeba do tego doliczyć godzinkę przed (padł pomysł zaczęcia „przerwą kawową”) i z godzinkę, albo więcej po OF na dyskusje w „kuluarach”. Pojawiło się nowe miejsce, wstępnie jest dogadane. Chodzi o Faktyczny Dom Kultury. Jeśli to będzie w Faktycznym Domu kultury, to musimy się wyrobić tego dnia do 17.30, bo o 18 ten lokal się zamyka (choć to też jest ustalane, czy nie da rady dłużej). Naprzeciwko jest księgarnio-kawiarnia ""Wrzenie świata""- dobra na after party. Rozglądamy się jeszcze za innym miejscem w razie czego. Jeśli będzie pojawi się lokal, w którym będzie można zostać dłużej, to super.
4. Podzielimy  OF na dwa elemetny. W pierwszej części w 5-7 minutowych wystąpieniach odnoszących się do tematu forum, wypowiedzą się goście, których zaprosimy osobiścieMyśleliśmy o ok 5-7 osobach  zróżnych stron konfliktu. W gronie mówców widzielibyśmy: 1. Reprezentanta Kościoła (może jakiś otwarty anon3839296096nikanin?)  2. Reprezentanta prawicy. 3.Reprezentanta Lewicy (brak pomysłów) 4. Działacza LGBT. 5. Działacz ""Zielonych"". 6. Kobieta z frontu walk o prawa kobiet i reprezentująca ""inną duchowość"" 7. Padł też z mojej strony, żeby zaprosić mężczyzne silnie obstawiąjącego ""mądrą, męską energie""
W drugiej części będzie czas na inerakcje między uczestnikami (2h)
Kolejne spotkanie planujemy w następny piątek. Na tym spotkaniu podzielimy się konkretnie zadaniami. Postaram się jak najszybciej zrobić listę zadań i ról i będę Was prosił o radę/uzupełnienie etc. Już teraz mam pytanie dotyczące pieniędzy na organizację. W jaki sposb to jest rozliczane? Myślę np. o plaanon3213561856ach (chcielibyśmy to rozreklamować). Może uda się lokal za darmo lolak, a jeśli nie, to kilka złotych bedzie trzeba wydać tutaj. Dalej, możliwe, że potrzebny bedzie tłumacz dla Garego (o ile nie zgodzi się ktoś za darmi); jakiś bardzo skromny catering...
To tak z grubsza póki co widzimy 
@anon

@anon1274458134 @anon2162742776 @anon413923905 @anon750699873 @anon2851970510 @anon1944159472 co myślicie o idei Otwartego Forum. Widzielibyście się tam? Może wpadniecie?"
12,60747,2019-10-06T06:34:50.832Z,10621,1,9,8,5,1,0,31.8,60694,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"[quote=""anon2693311786, post:11, topic:10621""]
Hej oto kilka głównych ustaleń naszego owocnego spotkania:

1. Bogna Szymkiewicz zgodziła się poprowadzić OF z Garym.
2. Zaproponowaliśmy następujący temat OF: „Polska podzielona. Czy możemy się spotkać?”
3. Otwarte Forum potrwa 3 godziny. Myślę, że trzeba do tego doliczyć godzinkę przed (padł pomysł zaczęcia „przerwą kawową”) i z godzinkę, albo więcej po OF na dyskusje w „kuluarach”. Pojawiło się nowe miejsce, wstępnie jest dogadane. Chodzi o Faktyczny Dom Kultury. Jeśli to będzie w Faktycznym Domu kultury, to musimy się wyrobić tego dnia do 17.30, bo o 18 ten lokal się zamyka (choć to też jest ustalane, czy nie da rady dłużej). Naprzeciwko jest księgarnio-kawiarnia “Wrzenie świata”- dobra na after party. Rozglądamy się jeszcze za innym miejscem w razie czego. Jeśli będzie pojawi się lokal, w którym będzie można zostać dłużej, to super.
4. Podzielimy OF na dwa elemetny. W pierwszej części w 5-7 minutowych wystąpieniach odnoszących się do tematu forum, wypowiedzą się goście, których zaprosimy osobiścieMyśleliśmy o ok 5-7 osobach zróżnych stron konfliktu. W gronie mówców widzielibyśmy: 1. Reprezentanta Kościoła (może jakiś otwarty anon3839296096nikanin?) 2. Reprezentanta prawicy. 3.Reprezentanta Lewicy (brak pomysłów) 4. Działacza LGBT. 5. Działacz “Zielonych”. 6. Kobieta z frontu walk o prawa kobiet i reprezentująca “inną duchowość” 7. Padł też z mojej strony, żeby zaprosić mężczyzne silnie obstawiąjącego “mądrą, męską energie”
W drugiej części będzie czas na inerakcje między uczestnikami (2h)
Kolejne spotkanie planujemy w następny piątek. Na tym spotkaniu podzielimy się konkretnie zadaniami. Postaram się jak najszybciej zrobić listę zadań i ról i będę Was prosił o radę/uzupełnienie etc. Już teraz mam pytanie dotyczące pieniędzy na organizację. W jaki sposb to jest rozliczane? Myślę np. o plaanon3213561856ach (chcielibyśmy to rozreklamować). Może uda się lokal za darmo lolak, a jeśli nie, to kilka złotych bedzie trzeba wydać tutaj. Dalej, możliwe, że potrzebny bedzie tłumacz dla Garego (o ile nie zgodzi się ktoś za darmi); jakiś bardzo skromny catering…
To tak z grubsza póki co widzimy
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Let me see if I understand correctly. Your intention is to have specially invited speakers or panelists who would be participating as representatives of some positions on different sides of a conflict. And then these guests would do presentations of 5 to 7 minutes each presenting their positions. Is this correct? And then after this there would be some kind of exchange between the rest of the participants to discuss the contents of the presentations of the specially invited guests (speakers)?"
13,60809,2019-10-07T13:41:54.875Z,10621,1,7,6,1,1,0,11.4,58448,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"[quote=""anon781457888, post:12, topic:10621""]
Let me see if I understand correctly. Your intention is to have specially invited speakers or panelists who would be participating as representatives of some positions on different sides of a conflict. And then these guests would do presentations of 5 to 7 minutes each presenting their positions. Is this correct? And then after this there would be some kind of exchange between the rest of the participants to discuss the contents of the presentations of the specially invited guests (speakers)?
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Yes, panelists / guests will have 5-7 minutes to refer their view to the topic of the meeting, namely:""Poland divided. Can we meet? ""Then we will follow what will appear in the room. Eg. Maybe someone from the room criticizes one speaker and raises an important topic. The role of facilitators is to just follow the signals from the group."
14,60838,2019-10-07T16:44:21.144Z,10621,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,60809,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"Hello,

Based on what you describe above the method you employing and the approach you are taking towards doing it is not aligned with the premises, processes and methodologies that we are employing in this project. I am afraid this is not an event that we can finance, support or in any other way be associated with."
15,60850,2019-10-07T19:44:48.968Z,10621,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,60838,anon2693311786,anon781457888,"
@anon"
16,60882,2019-10-08T09:54:09.326Z,10621,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,60694,anon1274458134,anon2693311786,"Jak dla mnie świetny pomysł do podyskutowania i poznania innego spojrzenia na naszą Ojczyznę. Poznanie różnic i sprawdzenie gdzie są nasze punkty wspólne. Na ta chwile deklaruje, że przyjdę, w zależności od tego o której godzinie zacznie się spotkanie, będę na całym lub przynajmniej na drugiej połowie."
17,60889,2019-10-08T11:30:22.113Z,10621,1,6,5,2,0,0,16.2,60850,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"In the research project of which the event was supposed to be a part - the individual represents only his or her lived first hand experiences, and the experiences of all are treated as data points in a bigger picture.  

Which questions are asked, how the event is prepared and communicated etc cannot be one in which the premises is that there will be a ""debate"" and where you have some participants in the middle of the floor/opening the event by being ""representatives"" of a set position or doing a speech. The only ""speech"" allowed is introducing the background to the gathering, the process of which it is a part, the social contract that underpins it and (what the organisers and participants respectively are committing to during and after the event). 

This introductory speech (should not be longer than 5-10 minutes and held by the organiser) is meant to be a repetition of what participants have signed up to by creating an account on the edgeryders platform, presented themselves and answered some questions on the platform. This ensures that everyone has had a look at the information/instructions and can iron out any question marks, that the research team can point out questions that can skew/bias the conversation in any one direction etc. Especially when you have a team where not everyone speaks the same language - written communication means that we can use translation services, ask for clarification is we do not understand etc. 

Using  facebook groups, exclusive small meetings; The process by which you have been organising this event is not compatible with how we do things. Ours is one where organisation of events is discussed by the participants here out in the open on the platform and where people are invited to take part in shaping the events. 

This platform is where we the holders/stewards of the project and Edgeryders can ensure that everyone is clear on what is being done when, where, by whom and can be involved where they want. It is where our staff and the broader community can ensure that expectations have been managed.

Our online Community managers' role is to connect people across the different conversations on this platform, make visible what interesting discussions are being had, draw everyone's attention to drafts of reports to give participants opportunity to give feedback. The community managers have a lot of experience in making sure that the exchanges are civil and compatible with values of respect for the individuals integrity, dignity  and intervene if people cross the line of what is acceptable behaviour.

Then we have the issue of guaranteeing consent - that each participant in the process has given their consent well in advance of showing up in the physical space where an offline event is help. When people sign up, there is an ethical funnel that they need to go through before they can create an account - that funnel has been technically designed and vetted by our ethics advisors in such a way as to ensure that we are in respecting laws, ethical guidelines and best practices regarding how everyone's data is handled. 

This online platform is we can ensure that every participant has free access to and can interact with the other individuals who will participate. That they can see both the event, but also the project research team's work out in the open, ask questions - point out things that seem odd to them. So people can be sure the research team are never ever putting words in their mouths and the evaluators of our research project can trace every single conclusion to the original discussion that it was based on."
18,60892,2019-10-08T11:56:38.095Z,10621,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,60889,anon3593942245,anon781457888,"@anon1812918160 - to jest dobre podsumowanie tego, co mniej więcej mamy osiągnąć."
1,60884,2019-10-08T10:09:41.975Z,11058,0,11,10,5,0,0,57.2,60884,anon3033090866,anon3033090866,"Jsem v pohodě. Dluhy. Jsem v pohodě. Samota. JSEM SAKRA V POHODĚ. Ztratil si kontakt s rodiči. NE už mě to fakt nebaví říkám ti mozku že jsem v pohodě. Co mi chybí ? Mám práci. Mám kde složit hlavu a o jídlo také není nouze tak proč se sakra cítím jako drůbež co kráčí na porážku ? Je mi 26 let byl jsem u pár terapeutů a různých šarlatánů a dospěl jsem k názoru že jsou stejně rozbití jako my akorát jsou vyrovnání a dokáží se vcítit do vaši pozice a poradit Vám. Ale co dělat když jste to právě vy co považujete za problém ? Co dělat když ""změnit se"" považujete za zradu sebe sama a upraš-kovat se k závislosti je prostě pro Vás nesmysl ?  Hledal jsem dlouho nějakou odpověď jak tedy docílit pocitu ""Bejt v pohodě"" a nepoužít k tomu nadmíru chlastu či jiných látek což byla z mého pohledu jediná věc co jsem mohl dělat. Můj Anglický kamarád mi tuto odpověď poskytl. 

""Předstírej to, dokud to nezvládneš"" ( Fake it till you make it ) 

A tak tedy předstírám že je vše v pohodě  ? Cítím se líp ? Netuším jsou dny kdy ne a dny kdy jo. Všechno je relativní.  Je pravda že komfortní lež je občas lepší než krutá pravda. Bohužel někteří z nás, mezi které se počítám i já , i přes veškerou snahu neumí relaxovat či si oddychnout a/nebo jejich život je neustálý boj se zdravím jak duševním tak fyzickým. Možná že někteří našly spásu v nějakých cvičených či skupinách. Nemyslím si že to je správný postup jelikož tím si člověk zase pěstuje závislost na druhých pokud do této činnosti vloží vše.

Prostě předstírej dokud to nezvládneš... nebo tě nedostihne krutá pravda."
2,60885,2019-10-08T10:31:43.900Z,11058,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,60884,anon3353600255,anon3033090866,"Ahoj, díky, že sis k nám našel cestu a sdílel svoje pocity. Jestli jde o to, jak vyjít sám se sebou, tak souhlas, je to jedna nejtěžších věcí..je docela srandovní, že spousta lidí se zdá, že to vůbec neřeší, i když se tak většina z nich možná jenom tváří, pořád jsou lidi, pro který vlastní hlubší sebereflexe opravdu nezajímá. a pak jsou možná fakt v pohodě. Ale pro ostatní je neustálé balancování mezi vnitřním a vnějším světem každodenní realitou.

Stejně tak si myslím, že odpovědí je kombinace obou, jak vnitřních tak vnějších faktorů, toho jací jsme a čím svůj život naplňujeme. Proč si myslíš, že nejsi v pohodě? Je něco konkrétního, co Tě štve víc, než ostatní věci?"
3,60886,2019-10-08T10:36:41.263Z,11058,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,60885,anon3033090866,anon3353600255,"Jak říkám je to relativní. Někdy je den kdy to jde a někdy ne. Být v pohodě znamená mít starosti. Momentálně si myslím že tratím na špatných rozhodnutích co jsem udělal v minulosti. Jenže vrátit čas zpátky nelze ani ho zastavit aby si člověk uspořádal myšlenky. Upřimně myslím že pořád neumím vychytat ten balanc.

Nemluvě o tom že jsem díte třetí kultury takže kořeny nemám žádné. To potom člověk vlastně nikam nepatří. A to si myslím že je u lidí důležité. Patřit někam a mít svojí identitu."
4,60887,2019-10-08T10:43:37.589Z,11058,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,60886,anon4062071924,anon3033090866,"Díky moc za upřímný příspěvek, co znamená být dítětem třetí kultury? A proč je to tak, že člověk nemá v téhle situaci kořeny? Jak by se to dalo (ideálně) v tvém případě napravit, abyses cítil dobře, někam patřil a nabyl naplno svou identitu? Myslíš, že ti můžeme (buď individuálně, nebo jako komunita) nějak pomoci? Snad to nějak půjde a když dorazíš na Edgeryders festival (info bude zveřejněno brzy), rádi si tvůj příběh vyslechneme a společně se zamyslíme nad tím, co by se dalo dělat jako prevence, aby bylo co nejméně dalších v tvé situaci... Ještě jednou díky za upřímnost! ;)"
5,60888,2019-10-08T10:51:00.396Z,11058,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,60887,anon3033090866,anon4062071924,"Dítě třetí kultury ( Third culture kid ) je fenomén dnešní doby kdy hodne dětí vyrustá mimo svojí zem a defakto nezdrži se nikde víc jak na pár let. Většinou je to kvuli tomu že rodiče pracují na ambasádach nebo jinych inter. firem. Má to dopad na identitu dítěte a tím padém is sebevedomi. No ja už to řeším nejaký pátek a myslím že jediný způsob je investovat do známostí a moc nikam necestovat. Budovat ty kořeny :slight_smile: není to jednoduché pro mě protože moc takových jako jsem já v Čechach není a když už tak se spíš pohybuji v ""elitních"" vrstavách společnosti kam ja moc nezapadám.

Díky a na festival dorazím přeci jenom tohle je první platforma kde jsem se mohl podělit o svůj pocit a zkušenost takže za to ještě jednou děkuji."
6,60890,2019-10-08T11:32:04.995Z,11058,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,60888,anon3353600255,anon3033090866,"To rádi slyšíme:) Pojem dítě třetí kultury taky slyším poprvé a dovedu si představit, co za úskalí to obnáší. Mám kolem sobě docela dost lidí, kteří se nakonec usadili ve druhé, třetí zemi, ve které žili - jak jsme tady na platformě zmiňoval jinde, pro moji manželku je to x-tá země, ve který žije a vlastně se tu ocitla jen kvůli mně. Nicméně jsme se rozhodli, že to zkusíme v ČR, celkově to zatím celkem jde, ale na té každodenní úrovni je spousta věcí, které jako člověku, který v nějaký kultuře vyrostl a zůstal v ní, nedochází. Je zajímavý tím procházet společeně, patří k tomu i vnitřní, ne úplně pozitivní pocity. 

Identita je zajímavá otázka - nějaký relativně stabilní, kulturní základ, si s sebou člověk nese. Sice to nemám úplně jako Ty, ale mám pocit, že kdykoliv jsem někde nějakej čas strávil, změnilo mě to, trochu jsme si odnesl. I to člověka ve výsledku začne trochu odlišovat a vlastně si uvědomí, jak všichni bez ohledu na to, jak dlouho a kde žijeme, vybočujeme z norem, který jinak pokládáme za standard. Prostě není nad to vidět se někdy zvenku prostřednictvím ostatních:) Pro mě je návrat do Čech vždycky takovej moment, kdy se na chvilku zastaví čas a já vidím na pár dní ty kontratsy ostře (ne nutně pozitivní či negativní)."
1,60874,2019-10-08T08:22:43.692Z,11054,0,11,10,7,0,0,52.2,60874,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Z @anon1812918160 bierzemy się pełną parą do zorganizowania warsztatu i spotkania w Polsce

Plan jest taki:

- Dostajemy dostęp do hipsterskiej, bardzo popularnej jadłodajni wegańskiej No problem, gdzie łatwiej będzie nam przyciągnąć szersze towarzystwo 

- Zapraszamy dwie-trzy osoby do prowadzenia warsztatów wokół tematów, które interesują szersze grupy, ale są też bardzo konkretne: rozmowa z inicjatywą pracowniczą, może w oparciu o konkretne problemy? Coś w rodzaju małego coachingu? Co uważasz za ciekawe w ich przypadku @anon1812918160 - jakie tematy najlepiej poruszają? 

Drugi kierunek - rodzić po ludzku, albo inna kobieca inicjatywa. Znalazła się u nas dziewczyna z Global Sisterhood np. - cokolwiek wokół historii kobiet jest ciekawe. 

No i możemy pójść w tematy loanon3213561856orskie też - żeby to dało historie, możemy zaproponować kroniki loanon3213561856orskie np? Archiwum historii o dostępie do dachu nad głową i kolekcja materiałów dotyczących międzynarodowej walki z bezdomnością. Tu nawet mogę się pokusić o zbudowanie szerszej koalicji z innymi aktywistami, bo powinniśmy mieć w społeczności trochę aktywistów w tym kierunku już obecnych. No i mamy @anon205870463  :) 

Ważne: promujemy ten warsztat na fb i z użyciem strony starabieda - i biletem, którego nie można kupić, jest wrzucenie komentarza albo krótkiej historii pod warsztatem, który Cię interesuje. 

Propozycje nazw wydarzenia:

Solidarność ponad podziałami
Intersekcjonalizm po polsku

Po bandzie w No Problem"
1,60824,2019-10-07T14:26:47.466Z,11047,0,9,8,8,0,0,41.8,60824,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej, mieliśmy małe napięcie wewnętrz zespołu i jest problem z pewnymi ustaleniami. Na dłuższą metę to jest nieznośne i trudno mi w ten sposób pracować. 
Chciałbym podpytać o to:
1. W jaki sposbób @anon
2.  Jak zapłacę np. za plaanon3213561856y itp.? Czy dostanę na event zaliczkę? Czy pełna kwota na event to 1000euro?
3. Co myślicie o dotychczasowych ustaleniach apropos eventu?
4. Nie wiem, czy @anon
5. Czy zgodziliście się @anon1274458134 przyznać nagrodę? 

Pozdrawiam

Miko

@anon781457888 @anon2446385507"
2,60825,2019-10-07T14:42:36.390Z,11047,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,60824,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Hej, wiec tak:
1. Co do organizacji, zostałam usunięta z grupy, w której się ona odbywa - wie o tym @anon781457888 i @anon2446385507 oraz o powodach, dlaczego tak się stało. Nie mam więc nawet jak odnieść się do tego wydarzenia, bo nikt z zespołu nie jest w nie zaangażowany.

2. Nie wiem nic o plaanon3213561856ach. 

3. @anon1812918160 i ja doszlysmy do porozumienia i ona wraca do pracy, dziękuję za troskę.

4. Co do anon1274458134 nie zdążyłam jeszcze porozmawiać. Zajme się tym w tym tygodniu."
3,60830,2019-10-07T15:39:15.733Z,11047,1,8,7,2,0,0,16.6,60824,anon2693311786,anon2693311786," Rozumiem, że warunkiem lepszej współpracy, jest przywrócenie Ciebie do tej grupy. Dobrze. W jaki sposób chciałabyś uczestniczyć w pracy zespołu? W tej chwili zespół omawia wszystkie szczegóły na spotkaniach. Kolejne odbędzie się w najbliższy piątek.

""bo nikt z zespołu nie jest w nie zaangażowany."" Czy to znaczy, że ja nie jestem częścią zespołu? 
 W poście do tematu: https://edgeryders.eu/t/polska-podzielona-czy-mozemy-sie-spotkac-otwarte-forum-warszawa-20-11-2019/10621/12
zapytałem o to w jaki sposób finansujemy event. To ważne, czy mogę Cię prosić o tę informację?
[quote=""anon781457888, post:12, topic:10621""]
 Już teraz mam pytanie dotyczące pieniędzy na organizację. W jaki sposb to jest rozliczane? Myślę np. o plaanon3213561856ach (chcielibyśmy to rozreklamować). Może uda się lokal za darmo lolak, a jeśli nie, to kilka złotych bedzie trzeba wydać tutaj. Dalej, możliwe, że potrzebny bedzie tłumacz dla Garego (o ile nie zgodzi się ktoś za darmi); jakiś bardzo skromny catering…
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3. Rozumiem, że z @anon1812918160 doszłyście do porozumienia. Przykro mi, że o tym nie wiem. Co to znaczy, że Asia wraca do pracy? Jakie będą jej obowiązki? Czy będzie organizować ze mną wydarzenie? 

Jest mi bardzo przykro, że nasza współpraca wygląda teraz tak. 
Pozdrawiam

@anon781457888 @anon2446385507"
4,60837,2019-10-07T16:40:41.115Z,11047,0,7,6,4,1,0,21.4,60830,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"[quote=""anon2693311786, post:3, topic:11047""]
Rozumiem, że warunkiem lepszej współpracy, jest przywrócenie Ciebie do tej grupy. Dobrze. W jaki sposób chciałabyś uczestniczyć w pracy zespołu? W tej chwili zespół omawia wszystkie szczegóły na spotkaniach. Kolejne odbędzie się w najbliższy piątek.

“bo nikt z zespołu nie jest w nie zaangażowany.” Czy to znaczy, że ja nie jestem częścią zespołu?
W poście do tematu: https://edgeryders.eu/t/polska-podzielona-czy-mozemy-sie-spotkac-otwarte-forum-warszawa-20-11-2019/10621/12
zapytałem o to w jaki sposób finansujemy event. To ważne, czy mogę Cię prosić o tę informację?

![|20x20](https://edgeryders.eu/user_avatar/edgeryders.eu/anon781457888/40/10484_2.png)[Polska podzielona. Czy możemy się spotkać? Otwarte Forum Warszawa 20.11.2019](https://edgeryders.eu/t/polska-podzielona-czy-mozemy-sie-spotkac-otwarte-forum-warszawa-20-11-2019/10621/12)

> Już teraz mam pytanie dotyczące pieniędzy na organizację. W jaki sposb to jest rozliczane? Myślę np. o plaanon3213561856ach (chcielibyśmy to rozreklamować). Może uda się lokal za darmo lolak, a jeśli nie, to kilka złotych bedzie trzeba wydać tutaj. Dalej, możliwe, że potrzebny bedzie tłumacz dla Garego (o ile nie zgodzi się ktoś za darmi); jakiś bardzo skromny catering…

3. Rozumiem, że z @anon1812918160 doszłyście do porozumienia. Przykro mi, że o tym nie wiem. Co to znaczy, że Asia wraca do pracy? Jakie będą jej obowiązki? Czy będzie organizować ze mną wydarzenie?

Jest mi bardzo przykro, że nasza współpraca wygląda teraz tak.
Pozdrawiam
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@anon2693311786  It seems Natalia, the member of Edgeryders staff who is responsible for overseeing your work and ensuring that all deliverables and processes by which they are completed are aligned with Edgeryders methodology, processes, standards, ethics and or codes of conduct, has been excluded from one or more channels, conversations and groups where this event is being organised. Further you are not respecting the conditions we agreed on demanding a budget that exceeds the limit we had set. The contract has been breached as far as we are concerned. If you wish to propose other ways in which you could continue to work in/with the community we can discuss this separately - but let us be clear that this event that you are planning is something you do yourself on your own time and own resources and nothing to do with Edgeryders."
1,60352,2019-10-01T20:27:41.863Z,10967,0,10,9,6,0,0,32.0,60352,anon4146480689,anon4146480689,"Treba da se uvede osnovni dohodak i da se time pojedinac ojaca u odnosu na poslodavca i da ne mora da prihvate sve i svaku vrstu posla i tretiranja zbog svoje egzistencije, kao i da se takvim rasterecenjem covek oslobodi teskobe oko svoje mogucnosti cime bi povratno postao produktivniji na svom poslu a i lakse bi podnosio periode kada je bez posla. Takodje osnovni dohodak bi omogucio ljudima platformu sa koje bi mogli da krenu u preduzetnistvu i obrazovanje bez rizika da ce ako ne uspeju da ce pasti i nece uspeti da se opet podignu, vec ce osnovni dohodak sluziti kao tlo na koje cemo svi moci da docekamo ukoiko bi nam se neki neuspeh desio."
2,60704,2019-10-05T05:23:01.354Z,10967,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,60352,anon3346229079,anon4146480689,"Zdravo Petre,

Da, to bi rijesilo mnoge probleme i vodilo ka tome o cemu ti pricas. Doduse da li bi vodilo tome da se sad trenutno u Srbiji uvede osnovni dohodak? Koliko postoji zemalja danas u kojima bi osnovni dohodak tako uticao na ljude? Kako bi uticao na trziste?

U Finskoj su radili eksperiment sa osnovnim dohotkom. Istina je da godinu dana nije dovoljno da se vide stvarni rezultati, a i oni su se koncentrisali samo na trziste rada, tako da se ne moze reci da su rezultati eksperimenta vjerodostojni.

Cinjenica je da se mora uveliko raditi na svijesti ljudi da bi takav novi sistem imao ucinka i smisla. Ne znam da li si citao knjigu ""Antifragile"" od Nassim Taleba? 
Sa osnovnim dohotkom se eliminise potreba za borbom. Ako se eliminise potreba za borbom, ja cisto sumnjam da cemo mi vidjeti ono najbolje iz ljudi. Ako nemamo uslove da ljudski potencijal dodje do izrazaja, koliko uticemo na evoluciju nase civilizacije?

Evo ga i argument za osnovni dohodak :slight_smile:. I ja vjerujem da je tako nesto moguce, ali treba puno raditi na ljudima.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2r1UxWMBc

 Da li bi podijelio vise o sebi? Puno se gubi na tome sto niko ne zna nista o tebi ovdje.
Ako svi ljudi stave neke osnovne informacije, sta znaju da rade, sta zele da nauce, koji su im interesi (dobro iz tvoje teme se vidi mali dio tvojih interesa i tvoj mentalni sklop), sta im je strast...onda ce se lakse povezati (ili vise smisleno), mozda naci poslove ili prilike jedni za druge itd. 
Vidi se da si preduzetan, zato sto si napravio pretpostavku da ce ljudi reagovati na nacin koji si opisao :slight_smile:.

Ja bi prije omogucio ljudima da dobiju obrazovanje i ulozio bi taj novac u stvaranje najpovoljnijih uslova za kreativnost i preduzetnistvo kod ljudi. U stvari, dao bi ljudima taj novac ali na drugi nacin...tako da nije poklon vec da im stvoris alatke koje ce im omoguciti da zive ispunjene zivote. Ne vjerujem bas u poklone.

Sve najbolje"
3,60730,2019-10-05T14:34:43.501Z,10967,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,60704,anon4146480689,anon3346229079,"Ljudima treba da se da osnovni dohodak kao dividenda odnosno udeo od drustva/drzave na kome/u kojoj zive i u kome/kojoj ucestvuju svojim zivotom, od milionera do siromaha, da rade sa time sta hoce, da se ova vrsta kapitalizma pretvori u kapitalizam orijentisan na ljude odnosno kapitalizam u kojem se ne pocinje od nule, tako da to nikako nije besplatan novac vec tvoj udeo zato sto si stanovnik te i te drzave i imas taj novac da ucestvujes u drustvu u kojem zivis. Taj novac nece ispariti vec ce da se vraca u ekonomiju i da cirkulise, bice ravnamernija raspodela novca , a tenzija izmedju klasa ce da se smanji te ce drustvo biti stabilnije. Bice vise sansi za volontiranje u drustvu, ljudi ce imati vise vremena za razmenu ideja i unaprdejanon598341349je ovog sveta. A to za borbu, kakvu borbu, kada mnogima nisu dostupni nikakvi resursi, mnogi su takoreci porobljeni da rade sta im se da, rade po ceo dan da bi obezbedili samo osnovno, veliki broj clanova je totalno iskljucen i obezvredjen iz drustva sa socijalnom patologijom na sve strane. Postoje oblici socijalne pomoci, u nekim drzavama su uspesnji u drugima i ne bas, ali ovakva vrsta dohotka bi ukinula potrebu za bilo kakvu vrstu socijalne pomoci.Svima nama bi bilo bolje kada bi svima drugima bilo bolje, jer bi veci broj ljudi mogao da bude ukljucen u resavanje problema ovoga sveta takoreci veci broj mozgova."
4,60771,2019-10-06T17:27:04.580Z,10967,0,8,7,1,1,0,21.6,60730,anon3346229079,anon4146480689,"Slazem se potpuno sa tvojim rezonovanjem i razumijem zasto tako razmisljas, samo opet moram ponoviti da je to moguce kad se podigne svijest ljudi i da se redefinise odnos ljudi i drzave. To se radi kroz obrazovanje i mnoge druge stvari.

[quote=""anon4146480689, post:3, topic:10967""]
tako da to nikako nije besplatan novac vec tvoj udeo zato sto si stanovnik te i te drzave i imas taj novac da ucestvujes u drustvu u kojem zivis. Taj novac nece ispariti vec ce da se vraca u ekonomiju i da cirkulise, bice ravnamernija raspodela novca
[/quote]
Potpisujem apsolutno.

Poprilicno utopijsko razmisljanje sto se tice drugih stvari. Ja bi volio kad bi posljedice minimalnog dohotka bilo sve to sto si nabrojao. Realnost je potpuno drugacija doduse. Eto u Belgiji se na socijali dobija preko hiljadu evra i postoje hiljade ljudi koji muvaju na razne nacine da bi nastavili dobijate te pare, rade na crno godinama i uzimaju duplu placu, lazu i ne osjecaju drustvenu odgovornost (jer drugi ljudi placaju za njih).

Dacu ti jedan odlican primjer. Ja na primjer mogu biti u samo dvije situacije: Kad puno radim, imam para ali nemam vremena i onda placam za usluge koje ne mogu sam odraditi. Ako malo radim ja nemam para ali imam puno vremena, i onda to vreme kao najvrijedniji resurs ulazem na najbolji moguci nacin. Znaci stvaram, ulazem ga u unapredjanon598341349je sebe ili trazim nove mogucnosti za posao/rast (i da, volontirao sam i radio razne stvari besplatno a to mi je poslje donjelo odlicne poslovne prilike).

Eto ja na primjer cesto ukazujem na mogucnosti ljudima koji imaju vise vremena nego para, cesto se ne zele aktivirati cak i kad ima para u onome sto im otkrivam ili direktno nudim. Ovo su vrlo konkretne stvari, jer ja nemam vremena za gluposti. Zasto mislis da ce se ti ljudi aktivirati kad budu dobijali minimalni dohodak kad CAK I SAD KAD IM TREBAJU PARE, oni ih odbijaju to jest ne zele uci u vrata koja su im otvorena i provjeriti kakve su mogucnosti na drugoj strani? Glavno da svi imaju sto izgovora zasto nesto ne mogu uraditi.
Eto zbog navedenih razloga treba prvo obrazovati ljudi i podici svijest nacije, a ne dati im nesto sto ih nece natjerati na razmisljanje vec otjerati dublje u komfort zonu i jos ih zaglupiti...razmisli malo pa vidi koliki % ljudi bi reagirao tako kako si ti rekao. 
Zato ja pricam o borbi. Ljudima treba motivacija da bi nesto uradili i da bi otkrili svoj potencijal...pogotovo u danasnjem svijetu gdje odgajamo dijecu da budu roboti u masini umjesto da ih ucimo kako da razmisljaju, kako da budu kreativni i kako da upoznaju sebe i tako nadju srecu."
1,60290,2019-10-01T13:44:49.973Z,10961,1,9,8,3,0,0,21.8,60290,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Zastanawiam się ostatnio nad tym, jaki format spotkania w stolicy - poza otwartym forum - byłby dla was ciekawy? 

Widzę z dyskusji, że jest kilka tematów, które wydają mi się dobrym materiałem do spotkania: mobbing i przemoc w pracy; warsztat nt. wypalenia zawodowego albo wartości pracy; moderowana gra/dyskusja nt. wartości - szukanie porozumienia ponad podziałami? A może nauka gotowania, albo szycia, albo tatuaże, i moderowana dyskusja nt życia w Polsce jej towarzysząca? A może sami zajmujecie się czymś, o czym chcielibyście opowiedzieć innymi? Albo spróbować swoich trenerskich umiejętności? 

Chcialabym, żeby ta sesja była wam jakoś profesjonalnie przydatna, pozwoliła wam się nauczyć czegoś nowego/poznać ciekawe osoby/rozpocząć nowe kolaboracje. Robiłam takie wydarzenia dla edgeryders od 2014 roku - zwykle festiwale dla całej społecznosci, na ktore ludzie przyjezdzali z calego swiata, i jedną z zalet tych wydarzeń była okazja do nawiązania nowych kolaboracji i nauczenia się czegoś trochę nie z tej ziemi :) Byłabym wdzięczna za wasze komentarze, życzenia, uwagi. 


Pytanie to kieruję przede wszystkim do aktywnych uczestników dyskusji: @anon750699873, @anon1274458134 @anon3760940791 @anon162094910 @anon1707844391 @anon517337553 @anon1324479596 @anon1944159472 @anon413923905 @anon2190734819 @anon152732964 @anon1308739842 @anon29865912 @anon303474546 @anon3028939398 @anon2851970510 @anon616153527 @anon"
2,60332,2019-10-01T16:29:27.000Z,10961,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,60290,anon413923905,anon3593942245,"Warsztat o wartości pracy by dla mnie brzanon1235093333ł ciekawie.  Albo jakieś warsztaty z tematyki ogrody miejskie, permakultura, diy, zero waiste
Pozdrawiam

Barbara

wt., 1 paź 2019, 15:54 użytkownik Natalia Skoczylas via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
3,60458,2019-10-03T07:23:56.580Z,10961,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,60290,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Dzięki wielkie @anon413923905 - permakultura i ogrody byłyby super, ale może lepiej na wiosnę, kiedy możemy zrobić to w ogrodzie. Jest naanon1235093333r na [Inicjatywe Pracownicza](http://www.ozzip.pl/inicjatywa-pracownicza) w Warszawie - @anon1812918160 pracuje nad zaproszeniem ich do tej rozmowy. Drugi pomysł to ruchy loanon3213561856orskie i walka o prawa do dachu nad głową, szczególnie, że w Warszawie od dawna jest to gigantyczny problem. Zero waste - warto byłoby kogoś poszukać, może reszta zna jakąś ciekawą organizację, lub osobę, znającą się na tym temacie?"
4,60460,2019-10-03T07:27:37.206Z,10961,1,6,5,2,0,0,16.2,60290,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"A tak poza tym, chciałabym powitać @anon1547754019 i @anon"
5,60769,2019-10-06T17:11:24.974Z,10961,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,60460,anon1547754019,anon3593942245,"Dziękuję za ciepłe powitanie i wzajemnie :) sprowadził mnie na to forum znajomy @anon2693311786, mówiąc, że istnieje taka społeczność :) zaciekawiona postanowiłam zajrzeć :) co do spotkania rekomendacji nie mam, bo pewnie nie będę w nim uczestniczyć a jeśli chodzi o tematy, to chętnie poczytam te już istniejące i dopiero na tej podstawie będę mogła stwierdzić, czy jest jakaś kwestia, o której jeszcze nikt nie wspomniał :) pozdrawiam serdecznie :)"
1,58260,2019-08-22T10:41:00.685Z,10594,0,13,12,4,0,0,67.6,58260,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"No hej!

Mam za sobą już kilkanaście wywiadów i biorę się za kolejną partię. Początkowy problem polegał na tym, że sam nie potrafiłem zdefiniować swojego potencjalnego rozmówcy, co powodowało, że brałem ludzi trochę z łapanki. Takie osoby nie chciały z reguły udzielać się w dalszej dyskusji, co oczywiście nie służy budowaniu społeczności. Nie mniej uważam, że warto jeszcze będzie z czasem wrzucić kilka głosów, które tworzą tło do naszej pracy...Póki co będę starał się jednak szukać szeroko rozuanon1235093333nych liderów i działaczy z różnych stron sceny polityczno-społecznej i tak za tydzień wraca kumpela ze Szkoły Liderów i będę starał się od niej zebrać ludzi. Ponadto będę zgłaszać się, co jest dużo trudniejsze, do organizacji związanych z szeroko pojętą stroną prawicowo-konserwatywną. Jest to dla mnie osobista podróż w głąb siebie do strony, do której wcześniej nie zaglądałem na poważnie. 

Zawsze utożsaanon1235093333łem się z ideami liberalnymi, wolnościowymi  w zgodzie z tolerancją, ale robiłem to chyba bez większej refleksji. Moi rozmówcy zaprosili mnie do świata, który dotychczas był dla mnie niezbadany i okazało się, że są we mnie także części, które się boją (np. o duży napływ imigrantów), które są trochę nietolerancyjne, agresywne, konserwatywne etc. Wszystko to jest dla mnie niesamowicie fascynujące i dlatego tak mi się podoba ten projekt, bo czuję, że to nie tylko praca, ale wewnętrzny rozwój. Okazuje się, że jest mi tak samo blisko do ludzi, którzy modlą się na Jasnej Górze o to, by świat jaki znali, dalej trwał, bo boją się jego utraty. Tak samo czułem się wzruszony stojąc wśród tysięcy ludzi śpiewający hymn Polski upamiętniających wybuch powstania Warszawskiego. Kiedy zaś w ubiegłym roku byłem na paradzie równości w Warszawie, czułem niesamitą radość i wzruszenie, gdy uświadomiłem sobie, że jest we mnie duża część, która czuje się wykluczona z tego społeczeństwa (bo żyję unaczej niż społeczeństwo by tego chciało) To było dla mnie prawdziwe święto. 

Wyłaniający się problem, to wspomniany brak chęci do wyanon1235093333ny poglądów i zamknięcie się w swojej strefie bezpieczeństwa. Społeczeństwo jest okopane na swoich pozycjach i zewsząd lecą gromy. WSZYSCY SIĘ BOJĄ. Pozornie nie ma chęci porozumienia, ALE wiele sygnałów, świadczy o tym, że trzeba go szukać, bo ten proces już się dzieje. Ludzie są zmęczeni tym co się dzieje. Już dawno nie byliśmy tak podzieleni. Dlatego pojawił się pomysł Otwartego Forum i jestem autentycznie wzruszony, że to się wydarzy. Czuję jakby rzeczy, które na chwile utknęły, zaczynały znów powoli płynąć i jestem szczęśliwy, że mogę być tego częścią. Chciałbym zatem, aby na Otrwarte Forum zaprosić jak najwięcej głosów społecznych, które jest zmęczone, przerażone, wkurwione, skrzywdzone (i tu wszystkie emocje, których doświadczamy) i pokazać im wszystkim, że jesteśmy jednym organizmem czy im się to podoba, czy nie i warto usłyszeć siebie nawzajem. 

Dlatego czuję dużą wdzięczność za to, że to wszystko się wydarza. To tak w skrócie ;) Widzę też, że największą radochę daje mi właśnie budowanie relacji i społeczności, a najmniej spisywanie wywiadów, dlatego mam teraz chwilowy przestój i w ogóle wolałbym skupić się właśnie na tych społecznościach, a mniej na wywiadach. Nie wiem, czy już to wyraziłem, ale dziękuję Wam, że mogę być częścią zespołu, a w szczególności Natalii Skoczylas za to, że zaprosiła mnie do projektu. Super kobieta, mówię Wam. Woohooo! :)"
2,58768,2019-09-04T12:34:57.156Z,10594,0,10,9,2,0,0,12.0,58260,anon2446385507,anon2693311786,"Miko, bardzo interesujące jest dla mnie zapoznanie się z twoją osobistą podróżą - cieszę się, że ta praca i ten projekt poanon1547754019ją ci rozwijać się jako człowiek. Dzięki za udostępnienie!"
3,58771,2019-09-04T13:20:56.494Z,10594,1,10,9,2,0,0,32.0,58260,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej, dzięki za zainteresowanie :) Przygody ciąg dalszy. 
Mam dwa uśrednione feedbacki od ludzi do projektu:

1.  ""Nie ma dla mnie wartości dzielenie się  moja historia anonimowo lub pod nazwiskiem. Nie wiem do kogo mówię, po co. Do takich rzeczy potrzebuję wrażliwej słuchającej i czującej osoby.Żeby mnie widziała i słyszała. Nie lubię takich publicznych rzeczy. To raczej nie dla mnie.""

Wydaje mi się, że to wyraziciel nie jednej a wielu osób w kwestii tego tematu. 

2. Klasyczna reakcja na naszą stronę wygląda mniej więcej tak: ""Kurza stopa, pierwsze słyszę o tej inicjatywie xD strona mocno nieintuicyjna, chwilę zajęło mi rozeznanie się, o co w tym projekcie chodzi - może to jest powód, czemu nie hula?"""
4,58819,2019-09-05T09:39:44.393Z,10594,0,9,8,3,0,0,16.8,58771,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Jak wspomniałem poszedł mailing ze szkoły liderów do kilku tysięcy osób, ale jak dotąd bez efektu. 
Wczoraj poprosiłem jednego z pracowników Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego o wysłanie zaproszenia i informacji o naszym projekcie do studentów i akademików. Bardzo pozytywnie odebrał moją prośbę i zgodził się pomóc. Może to zachęci kogoś do dołączenia"
5,58826,2019-09-05T12:39:15.060Z,10594,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,58260,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Wrzuciłem informację o naszym projekcie na ngo.pl
https://ogloszenia.ngo.pl/307378-forum-spoleczne-dla-polakow-zapraszamy-na-nasz-portal.html
To największy portal ngo w Polsce"
6,58932,2019-09-09T08:31:49.221Z,10594,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,58826,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Razem raźniej

@anon4062071924 @anon4241195410 @anon3346229079 @anon870210313 miło Was poznać. Pomyślałem, że może fajnie byłoby się dzielić doświadczeniami, tym co wychodzi i tym, co nie wychodzi. Jeśli w tym wątku będę zamieszczał treści, które może będą Wam pomocne, to będę Was oznaczał. Byłbym wdzięczny za to samo. Razem może będzie łatwiej rozgryźć ten orzech. Może któryś z moich pomysłów, będzie Wam pomocny? 

Mam za sobą kilka dni frustracji związanych brakiem kolejnych historii w projekcie polskim. Kolaboracja ze Szkołą Liderów jak dotąd nie przynosi porządanych efektów. Podobnie działania promocyjne na fb.  Naiwnie trochę myślałem, że Liderzy chętnie zauważą sens takiego projektu. Napisałem także stokilkadziesiąt wiadomości do różnych osób z zachętą do odwiedzenia nas i zostawienia swojej historii.
Działania najbliższe: 
1. Dziś skupię się wokół osób z mojego środowiska, która mają, w moim odczuciu duży wpływ na swoje otoczenie i spróbuję je przekonać do swojej idei.
2. Podobnie zrobię ze szkołą Liderów- zapytam czy można jeszcze spróbować coś razem zrobić.
3. Dostałem kolejne feedbacki mówiące, że nasza strona jest niecztelna. Nawet jeśli ktoś nas odwiedzi, to nie wie co dalej robić... W dobie nadanon1235093333ru informacji ludzie zatrzymują się wyłącznie nad wątkami, które ich zainteresują,
4. Dlatego od dziś będę próbował trochę sprowokować do dyskusji poruszając wątki niewygodne."
7,60640,2019-10-04T09:11:33.790Z,10594,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,58260,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej, szukam miejsca, gdzie mógłbym poruszyć delianon3213561856ne kwestie, ale wyłącznie w gronie Edgeryders? Czy na portalu jest taka możliwość? @anon781457888 @anon2446385507 @anon"
8,60642,2019-10-04T09:29:20.365Z,10594,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,60640,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,co to znaczy delianon3213561856ne?
9,60643,2019-10-04T09:41:14.970Z,10594,1,7,6,2,0,0,16.4,58260,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,Wewnątrzzespołowe
10,60647,2019-10-04T10:26:36.610Z,10594,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,60643,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"Hello, we have a policy to keep all communication about publicly funded projects on this platform to ensure transparency and accountability. if you wish to send me a Direct Message here on the platform this is ok. To do this you can click on my photo icon, go to my profile page and send me a direct message there."
1,59703,2019-09-22T10:24:50.052Z,10835,0,11,10,32,0,0,177.2,59703,anon413923905,anon413923905,"Urodzilam się w latach osiemdziesiątych. Przedmioty na maturę podobnie jak kierunki studiów wybierałam wedlug kryterium ""tego sie lubię uczyć"". Nie anon1235093333łam żadnych spotkań ze szkolnym doradcą zawodowym ani nikogo wśród bliskich, kto zadałby mi pytanie, jaką pracę chcę wykonywać lub w czym jestem dobra. 
Na studiach wyprowadziłam się z domu. Za pokoik płaciłam 270zł a udawalo mi się z korepetycji wyciągnąć 300, czasem 350 miesięcznie. Odkładałam do koperty najpierw na czynsz, potem na bilet miesięczny (ulgowy 33 zł, nigdy mnie nie było stać, by uzbierać 82 i mieć tańszy kwartalny). Na jedzenie zostawało różnie, zależy ilu uczniów odwołało lekcje. Ale jakieś trzydzieści złotych. 
Teraz jest freeganizm, jadłodzielnie, w ogóle internet. Na początku lat dwutysięcznych do internetu logowało się na wyczekane pół godziny w bibliotece uniwersyteckiej.
Uanon1235093333łam uczyć, więc żyłam z korepetycji. Brałam 30 złotych za godzinę, uczniowie byli rozsiani po całej Warszawie, zatem większość popołudnia schodziła w autobusach. Teraz w drodze na uczelnię minęłabym kilka ogłoszeń o pracę w żabce i w Starbucksie. Wtedy nawet nie wiedziałam, że istnieją różne formy zatrudnienia. Myślałam, że w sklepie nie mogę pracować, bo studiuję dziennie a na kelnerkę nikt mnie nie przyjmie, bo nie jestem ładna.
Efektem było doświadczenie ubóstwa. Rzadkie we współczesnym zachodnim świecie. Chleb kosztował 1,57. Potem zdrożał do 1,65. Jadłam 3 kanapki z margaryną na śniadanie, 3 na kolacje. Na obiad ziemniaki lub kasza z olejem. Gdy byłam głodna, mitygowałam się: zjesz teraz więcej, będziesz musiała szybciej dokupić! Mięso, nabiał czy warzywa jadałam w gościach.
Pamiętam, gdy dojrzewałam do przeprowadzki. Odwiedziłam nową współloanon3213561856orkę. Powitała mnie herbatą z syropem. Zduanon1235093333ła mnie ta rozrzutność: dwa kosztowne i smakowe dodatki w kubku napoju.
Zostałam nauczycielką. Pierwsza pensja stażysty wyniosła dziewięćset kilkadziesiąt złotych i wydawała się złapaniem Pana Boga za nogi. Zaczęłam kupować maślankę w Biedronce, marchew, owoce. Potem zarabiałam tysiąc kilkaset. Pamiętam czasy podwyżek za pierwszych rządów Tuska. Ten niezdrowy klimat szkoły, gdzie nauczyciele zarabiali mniej niż personel sprzątający. Gdy pierwszy raz dostałam pełne dwa tysiące, poczułam ogromną ekscytację. WOW! Jaka kupa kasy! 
Przez 10 lat pracowałam z zapałem w państwowej szkole. Nie anon1235093333łam czasu dorabiać korepetycjami, bo angażowałam się w życie szkoły. Ta praca to powołanie, poświęcenie, radość w oczach uczniów. Nie myślisz o detalach, w końcu zarabiasz wystarczająco, w pewnym momencie mieszkałam nawet w kawalerce, nie w pokoju, choć wtedy mniej zostawało na inne wydatki.
Niedawno przeniosłam się do prywatnej szkoły. Byłam tam opiekunem, nie nauczycielem przedmiotu. Gdy zatrudniający mnie rodzice zapytali o oczekiwania finansowe, zaryzykowałam i rzuciłam hardo: Chciałabym dostawać 3000 na rękę!
Po pewnym czasie przewodnicząca rady rodziców potwierdziła, że są w stanie tyle mi płacić. Po jakimś czasie kolega, z którym razem hasałam z dzieciakami po łąkach rzucił: Basia, co ty się tak przejmujesz za trzy tysie, może idźmy gdzieś zarabiać pieniądze...

Moja historia jest o tym, jak dzieciństwo, szkoła, społeczeństwo, nie pokazały mi wartości mojej i wartości pieniądza. Jak zbliżając się do czterdziestki dopiero odkrywam, że wiele osób zarabia więcej niż moje wyczekane 3 tysiące na rękę. Że dzieci na koloniach dyskutują o tym, że komórkę wymienia się po około roku a rodzic posyłający dwójkę dzieci do mojej szkoły płaci więcej niż ja zarabiam.
Żałuję tego, że mając lat 18 lub 25 nie poznałam wartości pieniądza. I pogardzam systemem, który płaci nauczycielom tak żałośnie mało"
2,59791,2019-09-24T07:02:32.733Z,10835,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,59703,anon3593942245,anon413923905,"Cześć, @anon413923905. Poruszasz ciekawy temat, i jestem zaskoczona, że kogoś w Polsce ominęła gorączka pieniądza - jak to było z Twoimi rodzicami? I czy uczysz w szkole prywatnej, czy publicznej? 

Rozmawiałam kiedyś o pracy nauczycielki z @anon1593595298 - ciekawe, jak widzisz jej refleksje nt waszej profesji? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edukacja-edukacja-edukacja 

Pamiętam, że swoje studia przeżyłam za takie pieniądze, za które teraz mogłabym wynająć pokój poza centrum i zapłacić, możem za telefon. Jakimś cudem to wciąż było możliwe do 2011 roku, 600 zł miesięcznie - i jedzenie z domu. Nie było lekko, czasami dorabiałam, wtedy w restauracjach płacono 3zł za godzinę, bez umowy, a jak chciałam urlop na wielkanoc, to szef mnie zwolnił i nie zapłacił mi za miesiąc. Nie wiem, jak to zrobiłam, ale z domu wyszłam z ciężką nauką, że trzeba oszczędzać, odkładać i zarabiaćm choćby nie wiem co. Jesteśmy klasą średnią, ale na pierwszego laptopa musiałam zarobić jako nastolatka sama. 

Nie wiem, jak się z tym czuję - z pewnością nauczyłam się sporo nt wartości pieniądza, do tego stopnia, że bardzo ostrożnie z nim postępuję. Ale też bez przerwy dostosowuję swoje oczekiwania do realiów i uczę się walczyć o swoje. Myślę, że na to nigdy nie jest za późno - z drugiej strony cieszę się też, że skoro tak niewiele mogłam kupić jako młoda osoba, nie mam teraz potrzeby tego zmieniać. Telefony powinno się zmieniać co 5 lat, podobnie z laptopami, a jeśli się umie, to dłużej. Konsumeryzm to rzecz, do której raczej nie warto aspirować."
3,60594,2019-10-03T16:19:46.020Z,10835,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,59791,anon413923905,anon3593942245,"Jestem fanką freeganizmu i permakultury, także dlatego, żeby rzeczy służyły tyle ile mogą, nie krócej. Z dzieciństwa pamiętam wielkie siaty ciuchów krążące aż do zdarcia między wielodzietnymi znajomymi . Teraz z radością oddaję do jadłodzielni resztki ze szkolnego czy eventowego cateringu"
1,56878,2019-07-19T07:44:48.637Z,10380,0,13,12,4,0,0,52.6,56878,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"This is a transcript of an interview we did with anon4110936133, 50+ IT professional living in Prague, who told us about the political situation in Czech and why he has to vote for Greens, because there's nobody else on the liberal-conservative side he could support, even if he'd like to. 

**anon4110936133:**

_What is the situation in the Czech Republic now?_

Today situation is a typical example, of a dark side of democracy, we have a „prime minister“, „president“, one of them is criminal, the other probably is a criminal. Both were legally voted, standard process, despite the propaganda, my opinion is that propaganda is able to gain 35 and 25 percent of votes, these come from Marek Prchal, PR specialist for our Prime minister.

The political campaign was full of propaganda, populistic slogans „it will be better“ and so on

_Why people vote for them?_

Because some kind of people like a simple statement, it is a typical mechanism of how populism can be strong, simple promises are understandable for 50 % of people on the left side of the Gaussian curve, it looks like it is enough

_Do people look for some kind of empowerment?_

It is not so simple, I do not know why they need it, why they listen to it, they were unsatisfied with the political situation, perhaps they thought that the politicians cannot understand their problems, the former did understand, but did not care

_What are the practical, daily-life problems you see in your country?_

The main sort is practical problems, if I am living in Vršovice, I am meeting drug dealers, etc., there are no politicians who would do something. Common people live in their place, locally, and they do not feel relations to politicians who solve GDP, etc.

_What are the main problems?_

Democracy is falling somewhere else. Our prime minister lies all the time – should not be possible, he steals European donations, he has gigantic possessions and he is a prime minister, and they are growing at velocity, which is much bigger than before. People support them because of the same principle nicely described in Monty Python – What have the Romans ever done to us? They keep on asking, what is EU giving us, and no answer is sufficient. Ok, so they give us roads and hospitals, but what else? 

_You said that the local politics in Prague work better - why is Hřib (mayor of Prague), a better politician?_

People in Prague are different, better informed. People outside Prague are watching commercial TVs, they cannot distill information. Prague is more educated, though it is not black and white, yet Zeman won in villages, the other candidate in cities

_It is similar In Poland_

In Germany, the quality of the offer of the political parties is better, they would not support criminal as a prime minister

_Why is it so in the Czech Republic?_

Two principles:
the first one is historical, after 1989 in the Czech Republic, there was no punishment of the former communists, practically none of them were arrested for criminal acts, as a result, people think it is ok to be like this…, they could realize .. (they think) the communists really did not do bad work, but they did

The second is the so-called dark side of democracy – in my opinion, a lot of money can buy you voters

_How about living in Prague, are the prices in the city a problem for a lot of people?_

Living in Prague is a problem, historically, a lot of flats were owned by the state, after that, the market was squeezed, a large part of the people was living in the regulated /cheap flats, it is not possible to maintain the low prices. I am an IT specialist, I earn a lot of money, so I don't worry. 

_In Berlin they recently limited the prices - froze them for the next 5 years, to prevent rampant gentrification._ 

I am not sure about the long term effects, I'm not a big fan of regulations. 

_Do you worry about something, maybe your pensions?_

I do not have a problém, I see a big zero (laughs). There are just promises of lying politicians, but considering the efficiency of our Ministry of Finances, there will be nothing there when I get old. 

_What is your favorite political party?_

It is complicated, I am on the right side of the spectrum, we do not have any political party on the right, which is not connected with wrong things, so sometimes I vote Green, sometimes for Pirates

I would like to vote some progressive liberal party on the right, free market, fewer bureaucrats, ..not ODS (major Czech conservative party)

_In what sense progressive?_

Progressive in contrast with ODS, they just repeat, what they repeated ten, fifteen years ago, the market is self-regulated - common sentence for right-wing parties, it is just a slogan.

_What about Praha Sobě?_

I like the program, but they are not a party, rather a civic movement

_If they would become a party?_

It would be a good option

_Are you conservative?_

Everyone is in some sense..for instance, I do not like plastic (laugh)

_Can the ecological issues be regulated in your opinion?_

I am against regulations, but some are necessary. As if you kill someone, you go to jail, that is also a regulation"
2,56881,2019-07-19T08:15:39.089Z,10380,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,56878,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Hei, is there a chance for anon4110936133 to join himself and have this content attributable to him?
You know, because of the data model reasoning."
3,56883,2019-07-19T08:18:22.579Z,10380,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,56878,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Nope, he didn't agree, he just allowed us to publish it. Same for Peter, but I gave them both my cards in case they changed their minds :)"
4,56915,2019-07-20T07:00:29.372Z,10380,1,12,11,3,0,0,37.4,56881,anon2817779543,anon2446385507,How about introducing a way of allowing people to post on behalf of someone else?
5,56954,2019-07-22T07:57:32.461Z,10380,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,56915,anon2446385507,anon2817779543,"Hei! The idea is to be able to link people with their content, so even if you'd post on behalf of someone you would still need to create an account connected to an email address. Otherwise, posting under pseudonym is the easiest, but it still involves some effort from the person."
6,60478,2019-10-03T09:09:17.819Z,10380,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,56954,anon2979239943,anon2446385507,would be better to create a dummy account for them so it doesn't show up as @anon
7,60488,2019-10-03T09:53:20.929Z,10380,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,56878,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,Would you want me to do it? Or the community manager maybe?
1,54195,2019-05-30T08:07:31.660Z,10030,0,37,36,59,0,0,437.4,54195,anon1146465561,anon1146465561,"<image here> 
 

Hello everyone,

My name is Wlayche and I live and work in Serbia. I am using this opportunity to introduce myself and to start a conversation in which I hope to find more clarity and insights on a matter I consider highly important in our daily lives – moral code and how we understand it, how we build it and what influences it, and how it affects what is 21st century religion or spirituality. In the ever-growing complexity of life, it is difficult to fully understand how to help people not to feel restrained by the moral code determined primarily by traditions and religion (which I believe need redefining and adapting).

To me, a moral code is a set of values and principles a person adopts going through life and which is then used in all situations to determine her course of actions. Those values and principles originate from different sources – our family, education, religion, traditions, but are also shaped by experiences. I believe that although there is a national culture, dominant religion and tradition, we are mostly exposed to them through contexts framed to us by our family, teachers, friends and people we meet. Our moral code is not only that, but **what ends up “written” in the code depends on how we and to what extent do we apply dominant interpretations,** which has much to do with situations we experienced ourselves – on a very individual level. With me, as with most others, it all started with my family. In our house, taking care of each other, spending time together, being kind to people and always learning new things were the biggest religion. I was 16 when I figured out we were religious (Orthodox Christians) – I was so focused on the family customs and studying that I missed out on the God part completely.

I tried to understand the religion and traditional customs better, and how they applied to my life. Debates in my high school made it easy to challenge a lot of the concepts and to reflect on different opinions. Various authors I read, the people I hang out with from the Science Centre, university, debate, NGOs made me realize that I do not agree with how traditions and religion interpreted most of the things around us. They teachus to cherish and love our family, but the Church also seems to indicate that rule somehow does not apply to LGBTQ people or people of other race and class. They say women are the core pillar of society and family, but domestic violence is overlooked and women’s sexual harassment issues ignored. The traditions put too much burden on a society by prescribing who should do what and how, and who is entitled to it.

Those traditions and religious inputs collided with things that felt more naturally to me – if all humans are equal than the rules should apply to all, and not to some; that it is important what we think about how we treat each other and not be guided in our actions by some supposed higher authority; that being fair won’t always pay off, but one should be fair anyways. As I was growing up it became more and more difficult to deal with all the contradictory inputs and insights I got from the exposure from all these different sources (cultural and societal norms which are set by tradition and religion, my own sense of morality, things I read and taught doing NGO work and volunteering and things I saw happening on a wider economic and political spectrum).**It feels that we have to deal with many more and faster changes than our parents and grandparents had to**, when information was not only a click away and they relied much more on the storytelling of the families and experiences from school and work. It was easier then to follow the “moral” code – it was primarily connected to religion and to tradition, and there were less people challenging those codes and values. I am still grappling with living my life according to my own moral code, which I do not feel is shared by majority of the nation. Most of the time It feels like I live in a bubble in which spirituality is not connected to some sort of God or some stone-written principles, but rather to a group of values which can be interpreted differently and are flexible enough to adapt to new realities. I will use just one example – I was taught by my family but also by our dominant culture and religion that family is the backbone of society. To me, this meant that this rule applies when your child is LGBTQ/decides not to have children/decides not to go to college/doesn’t have a steady job, but our societal and dominant moral code for now fails to adapts to the reality of this and to truly embrace what loving and caring for your family means (in my opinion).

In my life I try and apply this minority moral code to everything I do – I didn’t like the work cultures I worked in before, so I created my own when I became an executive. I am not giving up on fighting for women empowerment, marginalized groups and pushing for climate action. In this I used to feel lonely, but in the past years a movement is starting to rise and narrative of what is dominant desired behavior is slowly changing. Having said that, even though people who share my values and “moral code” are still a minority, it feels like that minority is rising in numbers. If the term “national” can still be used in the framework of the globalized society, I believe that **the new culture and new spirituality, one that is human-centered and not tradition and/or religion oriented, can only be brought by bringing in more people to act on their beliefs and by showing that those who think like I do are not – in fact – alone.**

It feels impossible to say what spirituality means in 21st century on a global level –there are opposite (again) sides of the spectrum and so many options in between. From being full on religious and seeing spirituality in believing in a higher force, be it God, aliens or…well, spirits, to believing in people as the only arbitrators of what is moral, there are so many options. In the complexity and interconnections of different cultures, religions, traditions, trends - it is difficult to formulate what a national moral code is or what is indeed spirituality. The fluidity of concepts and constant challenges of the traditional moral code and constant changes make it difficult to understand what the code is. But **in these times it is of utmost importance to try and understand our own moral code, as it then serves as the personal compass in this big net of interpretations and alternative moral codes.**"
2,54216,2019-05-30T12:36:17.977Z,10030,1,34,33,1,0,0,16.8,54195,anon3235280297,anon1146465561,"Hi, very well thought and written. Check https://www.linkedin.com/post/edit/indicators-success-itself-why-else-would-you-wage-war-van-kranenburg
I have friends I,n Novi Sad and Belgrade I can put you in touch with (mail me at kranenbu@anon"
3,54238,2019-05-30T14:41:49.249Z,10030,0,34,33,1,0,0,11.8,54216,anon1146465561,anon3235280297,"Hi Rob,

thanks for the comment, dully appreciated. I will reach out via e-mail for the contacts and please share the details about the workshop - it would be great to participate :slight_smile:"
4,54250,2019-05-30T15:55:26.919Z,10030,1,33,32,3,0,0,41.6,54195,anon2446385507,anon1146465561,"Hi @anon1146465561 and welcome to edgeryders! If I'm not mistaken, you are, after @anon1775928863, the second active community member on the forum, from Serbia!

I'm anon2649858692mi, one of the long timers around here, and aa couple of years ago when I turned 30 and moved from Romania to Belgium in a series of radical life changes I also started to think about spirituality in a broader perspective. 
I think complexity is the norm, and navigating it is even harder for those of us coming from fairly traditional societies. The Orthodox Church and traditions in my country are still highly influential both culturally and politically, so if you are walking away from them - including a simple thing, like not wanting to be married in a church! - will, even in progressive bubbles, still require, at a minimum, for you to explain yourself. It can be tiring. 

But more than breaking away with prescriptions, I find challenging routing yourself in new morally support systems. Especially social and family. If you read this story from the Czech Republic, it's telling how difficult it is to be culturally open and wanting to travel and experiment, and still find a  home:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/duchovni-pohoda-domy-pro-obcany/9937

Feel free to reply there in another language, Maria, the author, will translate."
5,54281,2019-05-31T05:43:59.576Z,10030,0,32,31,2,0,0,16.4,54195,anon1775928863,anon1146465561,"Hi anon1146465561, thanks for introduction. I guess that a ""new"" moral code for 21st century does not differ from moral codes from previous centuries, but we tend to forget what morality is, overwhelmed by the influx of various information ""just a click away"". As much as high school philosophy did to young minds (in my case early 80s) basic principles do not change. Starting from categorical imperative we all develop certain set of rules applicable to contemporary contexts. Sometimes they work but more often they don't, and saying that I admit the struggle to become a better person will be even more important in this century."
6,54308,2019-05-31T11:27:03.400Z,10030,0,30,29,1,0,0,101.0,54195,anon2619450578,anon1146465561,"Hello All - to chip my bit. My initial question: Is the complexity of life / society increasing or is it the rate of change (over time, by geographical outreach; both for a given individual / group) increasing? Follow-up question: Does decreasing 'authority of authorities'  (or: increasing autonomy of the individual) make a given complexity more challenging for a given individual / group? Part of my thoughts about these and related questions, please look at this [link](https://www.salzburgglobal.org/news/latest-news/article/anon2619450578-bohle-the-smile-of-the-imaginator.html). Regarding 'moral code' (= code authority of the authorities) and its adjustments to contemporary needs, possibly the reply can be found in [the enlightenment approach](http://ukkoelhob.blogspot.com/2019/05/sapere-aude-europe.html) that has served to build the modern world. Hence, 'tu felix terra, sapere aude!'"
7,54350,2019-05-31T22:19:24.585Z,10030,2,32,31,1,0,0,51.4,54195,anon2867672406,anon1146465561,"Hello @anon1146465561. I am a researcher, so my professional duties include looking at the ethical aspects of any research I participate in. In research, moral codes are more or less uncontroversial: everyone agrees you should refrain from exploiting others, make sure anyone participating in research does so with full consent and awareness, and so on. Much trickier, and more interesting, than moral codes is ethics, that @anon

As you say, moral codes have not changed that much. We still understand human decency more or less in the same way. But *maybe* we have more agency, so more potential for action, so *maybe* more need to make choices that have an ethical dimension. This does not translate necessarily into confusion, but it can be stressful. I am emphasizing the ""maybes"" because I have no hard data on any of that."
8,54628,2019-06-06T08:10:07.125Z,10030,1,31,30,1,0,0,31.2,54250,anon1146465561,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi,

Yes, you said it - fairly traditional societies are under stronger influence of whichever is the dominant church/religion and they are all more all less preaching the same. It's tiring indeed and many people take the easy way out when they can - sure, lets do the traditional wedding, otherwise we will never hear the end of it. It's a quick fix solution that usually leads to more damage eventually - no one is happy and any other alternative options later become more and more difficult to explain and justify.

The Czech story reveals a big truth - in the existing complexities it is more difficult to navigate relationships with other people as well, especially when they are multi-ethnical, multicultural, of different spiritual beliefs. It's a huge burden as well. And I feel it should be burden for the traditional carriers of spirituality - the Church had bright spots in history in delivering exactly the experiences people needed to experience togetherness and gather strength for fighting injustice. In Montgomery bus boycott and M.L.King's journey the church played a central role. In Serbia - the churches and monasteries were crucial places for everyone who was fighting back the Ottomans, and held that role for over 400 years.
But the challenge today really is how to make dominant churches back out of the secular arena in a healthy way, how to leave room for all the cultures , but also find ways to create those spaces of togetherness for those who need them and would want them from the church."
9,54642,2019-06-06T13:44:19.310Z,10030,0,28,27,1,0,0,10.6,54628,anon2446385507,anon1146465561,"I doubt that Churches feel like they have that responsibility in countries like ours where they have become institutions pursuing their goals politically.

@anon2495109874 do you have any data on secularism of churches or any transformation in recent times?"
10,54756,2019-06-09T08:23:16.548Z,10030,0,24,23,1,0,0,114.8,54350,anon2619450578,anon2867672406,"Good Morning - the work of some colleagues of mine may be a contribution [*] - see [chapter two](http://www.geoethics.org/exploring-geoethics) If you like to get a pdf copy please contact me through researchgate. regards, Martin.

[*]
Responsible interaction of people with the Earth system calls for deep engagement with ethical considerations. Due to their professional knowledge and skills, geoscientists in particular should reflect on the ethical implications of their work that could guide responsible interactions. Geoethics offers geoscientists a framework for operationalising and exercising this responsibility whilst also orienting other professions and society towards responsible interactions with the Earth system. This chapter explores the meaning of geoethics in detail and describes the current state of geoethical thinking and its application to geoscience research and practice. It argues that reference values and general principles should be reconciled with context-dependent perspectives in complex decision-making settings, and reflects on the potential of geoethics to inform a more 'responsible anthropocentrism'."
11,55291,2019-06-17T11:28:16.174Z,10030,0,23,22,6,0,0,34.6,54350,anon1146465561,anon2867672406,"Hi @anon2867672406, sorry for not replying to this sooner.

I feel that the question of agency is tremendously important nowadays - for any given individual the agency must be bigger than it was in previous centuries. The human rights, the technology, medicine, preservation, everything is more advanced than ever before and progressing and developing at a faster speed. There is almost in all cases more exposure, more opportunity. Do we have a responsibility to think and act - I think we do. And I do agree that it is very stressful, which you outlined in a great way in your example of research. 

I also think that the huge complexity of any given issue has contributed in making more noise in each of our heads when making decisions and choosing which way to act, even when it's not about the big ethical questions. Although, some might say that all the choices we make are now related to big moral codes - from buying vegetable for a salad to anything else (do you buy locally produced, are you sure it's fair trade, do they wrap it in plastics, etc)."
12,55728,2019-06-26T07:26:08.270Z,10030,0,24,23,1,0,0,39.8,54195,anon2495109874,anon1146465561,"Fascinating and timeless concerns, @anon1146465561 . I  think that a possible route to address them is  an ecumenical way of performing and understanding faith in relation to morality (although for many people morality does not necessarily depend upon religious/spiritual faith).  This  perspective might foster empathy, compassion, and above all reciprocity. In light of this civic and political philosophy of reciprocity the mutual exchange between those who belong to different religious traditions can foster spiritual well being. At the end of the day, &quot;religion&quot; has done little to prevent unhappiness, metaphysical loneliness, violence and social, political, economic and epistemic injustice (see http://churchandstate.org.uk/.../religion-has-done.../...). This political philosophy of reciprocity is doubled, I assume, by a &quot;new comparative theology&quot; that is not easily embraced by everyone. It seems that what Christians lack is embracing other religious traditions (though not only Christians). I fond this short article illuminating in this regard: https://publicorthodoxy.org/.../orthodoxy-and-new.../. The main idea is that &quot;the “new comparative theology,” as it has been christened, is a confessional theology seeking to explore the meaning of one’s own religious tradition by critical investigation of another or aspects of another. While it utilizes the most sophisticated knowledge of such traditions, it is not a disinterested endeavor where the comparer seeks to bracket the truth claims of her own religious worldview. Rather, this work is done faithfully, moving beyond one’s own tradition, asking questions of the religious other’s texts or practices, seeking correlations and novel insights, then returning to examine what has been discovered in the process...&quot; In a nutshell: To what extent religious pluralism enhances a concept of God that embraces &quot;all people&quot; (irrespective of their religious tradition)? Can this concept of God help us make better sense of the “new moral codes” adapted to contemporary needs and concerns?"
13,55874,2019-06-29T00:35:13.090Z,10030,1,23,22,1,0,0,44.6,54195,anon3346229079,anon1146465561,"I ""discovered"" as my truth something. Spirituality and religion should be separated from the church. I know they pretend to be representatives of God on our mother Earth and they would love to set the moral/ethical standards for humanity but my truth is: They have become disconnected from spirituality, churches are institutions, organisations full of corrupt men which don't live what they preach. I know there are good men in there as well but, I researched the subject a lot and I must say my feeling is they were corrupted by enormous power.
Throughout history religions had many roles, most of the time necessary. I read the Bible, Qu'ran, many books on Budhism, Hinduism, myths of creation from different cultures, historical books on the subject as well. I also regularly have discussions with Priests, whenever I get the chance actually, so I am not a total outsider there.
When I read the holy books I understood parts addressed the issues of that era, they often offered good solutions for those issues. Most of it shouldn't be taken literally as far as I am concerned ;) .
However i believe Churches need to evolve, accept reality in which they exist at this moment. They also need to work on their credibility if they want to have a chance of participating in future decisions. Their structures protect some very corrupt people and as long as that is the case they will keep losing members. 
As far as the moral code goes, I focus on human interaction and try to make sure the end result in any case is beneficial for everyone involved.
For me key things are empathy, humility, understanding and taking responsibility: if you at least try putting yourself in other person's shoes, if you try to understand them then you hardly can have negative intention and act in a way which would be detrimental to someone else. Combine that with owning your actions, taking responsibility for your actions, words and thoughts, would also naturally lead you to a better moral code...simply because ego wouldn't find excuses so easily ;) .

As you said, family and our immediate surrounding are crucial for establishing that set of cores values, which becomes our guide in life...to each his own perception of this reality."
14,56057,2019-07-02T10:03:32.640Z,10030,1,22,21,1,0,0,14.4,55874,anon2495109874,anon3346229079,@anon
15,56130,2019-07-03T20:10:06.781Z,10030,0,22,21,1,0,0,24.4,56057,anon3346229079,anon2495109874,"Everyone should know The Bible is a compilation of 66 books, over time many were added,removed or changed, whatever fit the institution's needs best. That means someone already filtered information we are getting if we want to research the subject. 

Well, in Eastern Europe over at least last 1000 years their political significance was reduced only during communism :slightly_smiling_face:. In west they have greatly diminished it's political influence because it's no longer in their interest. Money is the new god, works perfectly for those who have enormous amounts of it :wink:. I believe the interest in ""alternative"" religious practices and spirituality grows and it is my understanding it must grow, there is a real need for it. People need to believe in more than what's being offered to them at the moment. Deep within, everyone is looking for a life of meaning. That cannot be become a drone and work, make money, consume always newer things,which last less and less by the way :wink:, pay for crap food, then spend what's left on poisoning yourself further with big pharma...beautiful circle.

Yes, I couldn't agree more on nationalism...it has taken a role of a religion, the way it affected and still affects the creation of new social structures. As far as I am concerned, one cannot be free as long as one has a banner, emblem or a flag above one's head.

While it is true kids now are influenced greatly by wider world out there,l I believe they can nurture those core values always, the secret though would be to know when you can apply them and when not :wink:. As far as I am concerned, the biggest mistake someone can do is think I can be used because I am guided by certain set of rules which seem to make me naive or sheepish...some people meet the wolf, or hit the wall and wonder what hit them.

Considering I lived through civil war I know very well there are many situations in life and not all rules apply universally."
16,60776,2019-10-06T20:38:45.190Z,10030,0,11,10,0,0,0,2.2,54195,anon2661411812,anon1146465561,3 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Coding Call](/t/coding-call/10814/20)
1,59207,2019-09-12T12:23:35.968Z,10762,0,14,13,44,0,0,252.8,59207,anon1707844391,anon1707844391,"Jestem psychoterapeutą, mieszkam w Warszawie od urodzenia. Jestem świadom przywileju jakim jest życie w kraju pierwszego/drugiego świata. Mam dach nad głową, zdrowie fizyczne i psychiczne, wspaniałą rodzinę i cudownych przyjaciół czego z pewnością nie mogą powiedzieć mieszkańcy zakątków Świata dotkniętych głodem, wojną czy epidemią. Piszę na niezłym laptopie o odczuciach, które dla wielu ludzi w moim kraju czy na Świecie, są tak odległe i bez znaczenia jak dla mnie ich ciągła walka o chleb i godne życie. Cieszę się, że mogę poświecić te kilkanaście minut swojego życia na opisanie tego co czuję z dostępem do wody i bez strachu o własne zdrowie....Mimo wszystko, dam sobie prawo do ""świętego oburzenia"".   

Kiedy byłem młodym ""oświeconym"" hipisem, wierzyłem w dobro i konstruktywne rozwiązania międzyludzkich konfliktów w skali tak mikro jak i makro. Mówię o sobie ""humanista"" ale zawiodłem się na rodzaju ludzkim. Na krótkowzrocznych decydentach i politykach, na naiwnych wyborcach tychże, na tych wszystkich, którzy dla władzy, prestiżu i pieniędzy zamykają oczy i uszy na cierpienie wszystkich żywych istot na tej planecie - ludzi, zwierząt i roślin. Oburza mnie to, że w świecie na skraju anon3213561856astrofy migracyjnej i klimatycznej poświęcamy tyle uwagi (jako ludzie z obu stron sporu społecznego i politycznego) obrazie uczuć religijnych. Szanuję wiarę innych ludzi, samemu nie będąc wierzącym. Oburza mnie to, że nie będąc w Polsce anon3213561856olikiem, można o mnie powiedzieć, że nie wierze w nic, że jestem ateistą i że czegoś mi brakuje. Oburza mnie święte oburzenie na symbol tęczy (który nawiasem mówiąc jest jednym z biblijnych symboli przymierza Boga z człowiekiem) w czasach, w których ja sam nie mam prawa ""święcie się oburzyć"" na niszczenie mojej świętości - Natury, matki Ziemi, która jeśli dobrze pójdzie nadal będzie karmić zarówno moje dzieci jak i dzieci tych, na których własnie się oburzam. W kraju, w którym za święte uważa się symbole i instytucję kościoła anon3213561856olickiego, moja świętość uznawana jest za nic nie warty przedmiot, który służy wyłącznie człowiekowi i wyłącznie dla jego partykularnych celów. Sam jestem święcie oburzony - każda norka zabita w imię mody, każdy cielak zabity dla mięsa, każde drzewo ścięte (lub spalone) na rzecz nowego aquaparku czy galerii handlowej, wreszcie każdy wykorzystywany do niewolniczej pracy imigrant czy seksualnie molestowane dziecko - to wszystko obraża moje uczucia religijne, godzi w moją wrażliwość emocjonalną, moje głębokie i duchowe zespolenie z całym życiem którego przecież jestem częścią, z którego wyrosłem i do którego wrócę kiedy umrę. Czy ktoś słyszy moje święte oburzenie kiedy nie przynależę do żadnej wspólnoty wyznaniowej? Czy możemy zająć się jako ludzka rodzina życiem a nie symbolami i ideami które w przeciwieństwie do istot żywych pozbawione są czucia?"
2,59217,2019-09-12T15:36:37.840Z,10762,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,59207,anon3593942245,anon1707844391,"Hej, @anon1707844391, czuć z daleka starego hipisa. Czasami tęsknię za szalonymi pomysłami hipisów z lat 50-tych, którzy planowali nakarmić wszystkich lsd i w ten sposób zmusić ich do przeżycia tego, co łączy ich z naszą planetą. 

Trafiasz w sedno tego, co fascynuje i przeraża wszystkich zaangażowanych w tę platformę i w te badania - jak to jest, że wygrywające wybory partie polityczne na całej planecie potrafią w tak zwrotnym, kluczowym dla ludzkości momencie w historii uwstecznić dyskurs publiczny do walki o trybalne wartości. Jest to anon3213561856astrofa, która może nas kosztować znacznie więcej, niż tradycyjny model rodziny. 

Jak wygląda Twoje doświadczenie w pracy z wartościami? Czy masz szczęście pracować z osobami, z którymi dzielisz wizję świata, czy wcale nie - i jak się z tym konfrontujesz, jako profesjonalista i jako, no wiesz, człowiek. Byłabym bardzo ciekawa Twojej opinii. Pozdrawiam!"
3,59225,2019-09-12T17:16:02.086Z,10762,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,59207,anon2693311786,anon1707844391,"@anon1707844391 Twój post mnie wzrusza, jest pełen pasji i siły do zanon1235093333ny. Witaj wśród nas!!!"
4,59292,2019-09-14T20:40:20.397Z,10762,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,59217,anon1707844391,anon3593942245," Poczatek Twojego poprzedniego wpisu wywołał szczery uśmiech na mojej twarzy - lubie w sobie tą hipisiarską tożsamość...

Odpowiadajac na pytanie... chyba mam szczescie podwójne - dzielę wartosci z wiekszoscia swoich  klientów, zdarzaja sie czasem tacy z ktorymi to w ogole nie jest temat do pracy. To szczęście nr 1. Szczęściem nr 2 jest pewna osoba w terapii u mnie juz dość długo. Jestesmy wzajemnymi przeciwienstwami pod kazdym względem ideologicznym i światopoglądowym. Najlepiej obrazuje to pewna sesja, ktorą osoba X po dlugim juz czasie znajomości, otworzyła checią natychanon1235093333stowego zakończenia w terapii z powodu mojego uczestnictwa w Marszu Równości. Chodziło rzecz jasna o uczucia religijne tej osoby - nie tyle o samą ""tęczową ideologię"" co fakt popierania dewiacji sprzecznej z nauką Kościoła i uczestnictwo w wydarzeniu ktorego organizatorzy kpią i szydzą z symboli religijnych (typu waginalne aureole, przebrania za księdza itd). 

Poświęciliśmy sporo czasu i nerwów żeby omówić tę sprawę. Nasza terapia trwa nadal. Sądzę, ze udalo sie nam wyjść ponad podziały, uznać różnicę w wartościach i dostrzec Wartości (przed duze W) takie jak dobro naszej relacji czy każdej innej w ktore wchodzimy w życiu- ze mimo wszystkiemu co nas na pierwszy rzut oka dzieli, potrafimy znalezc punkty, ktore nas łączą. Ostatecznie moją rolą jest poanon1547754019nie tej osobie w radzeniu sobie z życiem (a nie poglądami) a czescia tej pracy jest tez przy okazji obustronny trening w prowadzeniu dialogu ""siedząc w ogniu"" (za Arnoldem Mindellem).

Dalej bywam niepoprawnym optymistą, ale mam nadzieję ze jest takich spotkań więcej u nas i na Świecie, dzięki ktorym ludzie bardziej widzą i słyszą  siebie nawzajem.."
5,59850,2019-09-25T07:49:59.737Z,10762,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,59292,anon3593942245,anon1707844391,"Bardzo to ciekawe, co mówisz - zastanawiam się, jak można by przełożyć tą filozofię spotkania ponad podziałami i budowania ""wartości"" ponad wartościami, na szerszą narrację. 

Jak przepracowaliście problem różnych poglądów nt. LGBTQ? Czy ta osoba zmieniła nastawienie, czy po prostu ta relacja przeniosła się ponad podział i stał się on w pewnym sensie nieistotny? No i co dyktuje etyka psychologa w sytuacji, kiedy poanon1547754019sz komus, kto wierzy w wyzszosc bialej rasy, albo inną bzdurę, radzić sobie w życiu?"
6,60337,2019-10-01T17:22:24.208Z,10762,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,59207,anon1707844391,anon1707844391,"Przeszlismy nad naszymi roznicami do porzadku dziennego, klient pozostał tradycyjnym anon3213561856olikiem, ja pozostałem progresywnym nie-anon3213561856olikiem i cala rzecz przestala mieć takie znaczenie jak przedtem. Moze trzeba sie było  poprostu usłyszeć i ponazywać cele terapii, daleko inne niz przekonywanie kogos do czegoś, bo nie o to w terapii chodzi..

Natoanon1235093333st pytanie o etyczne wskazowki co do pracy z osobami promujacymi nie dosc ze odmienne poglady to jeszcze dowolny rodzaj przemocy wobec innych to jednak jest dla mnie trudne. Nie anon1235093333lem takiej sytuacji jeszcze.. niby etyka każe zachowywać neutralność swistopogladową (bo celem nadrzednym jest dobro klienta a nie jego poglady) z drugiej strony terapeuta dobrze jesli jest spojny ze sobą i autentyczny... sadze ze jest duza grupa klientów z ktorymi nie podjąłbym współpracy z uwagi na ich metody (przemoc, dyskryminacja) ale nie same przekonania"
1,60093,2019-09-29T21:03:52.432Z,10913,0,10,9,2,0,0,12.0,60093,anon2851970510,anon2851970510,"Od jakiegoś czasu nurtują mnie pytania - czy potrafimy być jeszcze bezinteresowni? Czy potrafimy działać dla dobra innego człowieka nie oczekując nic w zaanon1235093333n? Czy potrafimy się poświęcić?
Mam wrażenie, że coraz cześciej spotykam się z czymś, co można nazwać ""fałszywą bezinteresownością"". Ktoś robi coś dla mnie, niby nie oczekując nic w zaanon1235093333n, jednak całą sprawę traktuje jako ""zabezpieczenie na przyszłość"", aby wykorzystać ten fakt, kiedy przyjdzie odpowiednia pora. Wówczas ta osoba na pewno o tym przypomni, często w sytuacji, gdy osoba obdarzona tą ""bezinteresownością"" się tego najmniej spodziewa. Objawem tego będą na przykład pretensje. Takie stwierdzenia, jak ""robię to tylko dla Ciebie"", chociaż nie wyrażają tego wprost, w podtekście przekazują informację ""ale oczekuję, że kiedyś Ty też zrobisz coś dla mnie""... Tego typu zachowań jest coraz więcej. Coraz więcej ""przyjaźni"" jest opartych na takiej ""bezinteresowności"". ""Przyjaźnię"" się z kimś, bo ma pieniądze, znajomości... Gdy to się kończy, kończy się też przyjaźń... 
Z drugiej jednak strony - czy jednak można zrobić coś, co nie związane jest z żadnymi korzyściami? Jeżeli chodzi o korzyści materialne - na pewno tak jest. Nie zawsze oczekujemy, że za swoje działanie otrzymamy zapłatę (finansową). Jednak działanie bezinteresowne może przynieść znacznie większe korzyści. Jednak ich wyanon1235093333r będzie niematerialny. Korzyścią może być satysfakcja z tego, że komuś pomogłem, poczułem się spełniony, pozostałem w zgodzie ze swoimi poglądami, przekonaniami. 
Prawdziwa bezinteresowność objawia się zazwyczaj cicho. Nie każdego jednak na nią stać. Potrzebna jest tu na pewno samoakceptacja oraz docenianie własnej wartości i własnych osiągnięć. A z tym chyba też jest coraz większy problem..."
2,60333,2019-10-01T16:42:35.120Z,10913,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,60093,anon3593942245,anon2851970510,"hej hej, bardzo mnie zastanowił Twój post - póki co wrzucam tutaj dość niedojrzałe przemyślenia, ale znalazłam np. tą dyskusję w internecie (znasz angielski?) i daje ona obraz złożoności problemu: https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/2724/is-it-possible-to-be-truly-selfless-or-altruistic

Zastanawia mnie, czy satysfakcja z pomocy, poczucie spełnienia z gestu, który nie przekłada się na materialne korzyści, ale ""emocjonalne"" korzyści, nie niweluje założenia, że robimy coś zupełnie bezinteresownie - w końcu dobre samopoczucie to też jakiś zysk. Ale może to drastyczna interpretacja? 

Z drugiej strony ""interesowność"" wydaje się czymś naturalnym i uzasadnionym przez ewolucję - podążanie za własną korzyścią jest ważne w przetrwaniu, chociaż pewnie możnaby łatwo wykazać, że współczesny kapitalizm nakręcił tą charakterystykę jednostek i wypromował własny interes jako największe dobro. W pewnym sensie w świecie, w którym nierówności społeczne i ekonomiczne nieustannie rosną, interesowność staje się kluczowa do przetrwania - cała zero-jedynkowa logika systemu, w którym nie ma dość zasobów dla nikogo, wydaje się tylko popierać takie zachowania. 

Co o tym myślisz? Czy są jakieś strategie, które pomogłyby nam inaczej ukierunkowywać się wobec drugiej osoby?

@anon2867672406 @anon2619450578 @anon1146465561 @anon"
1,59216,2019-09-12T15:30:29.869Z,10764,0,18,17,10,0,0,83.6,59216,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Jako managerka społeczności na edgeryders i jedna z liderek projektu POPrebel, chciałam dla was zsyntetyzować, o co w ogóle chodzi w tym projekcie i dlaczego robimy razem wydarzenie jesienią w Warszawie, na które już teraz serdecznie was zapraszam (save the date, 30 listopada w gorącym lokalu No Problem w Warszawie - więcej [tutaj](https://edgeryders.eu/t/polska-poprebel/)).

No więc tak.

Grupa naukowców i uniwersytetów rozsianych po Europie - w tym jeden z najlepszych na świecie, UCL, a także nasz Uniwersytet Jagielloński, Uniwersytet w Belgradzie i Karola w Pradze - przez dobrych kilkanaście miesięcy pisała propozycję o grant od Komisji Europejskiej w ramach schematu Horyzont2020, żeby zbadać rosnące populizm (po prawej i lewej stronie) i polaryzację w krajach Europy Środkowej i Wschodniej. Udało im się wygrać, i w szczęśliwym gronie partnerów była moja dziwna organizacja Edgeryders - społeczność online, która gromadzi aktywistów, naukowców, hackerów i artystów z całego świata. Wymieniają się oni wiedzą, rozpoczynają długodystansowe kolaboracje - udało nam się wspomóc oddolne ruchy w Nepalu tuż po trzęsieniu ziemi lata temu, korzystając z tej kolektywnej inteligencji pomogliśmy ufundować międzynarodowy kolektyw pracujący nad insuliną, którą możesz zrobić sobie w domu (niektórych na nią nie stać), wspieramy młodych przedsiębiorców w krajach północnej Afryki za pomocą naszego inkubatora, i robimy masę badań etnograficznych w oparciu o dyskusje prowadzone na tym forum na różne tematy. 

Badaliśmy do tej pory dostęp do opieki zdrowotnej - polecam wam zobaczyć [niesamowite inicjatywy](https://edgeryders.eu/t/an-ethnography-of-opencare-software-demo-and-research-results/7570), które ze sobą połączyliśmy, i których radykalne, innowacyjne podejście pomogło nam stworzyć kompendium rekomendacji i rozwiązań w tej sferze. Wiemy, że tańsza, lepsza opieka zdrowotna jest możliwa i znaleźliśmy tych, którzy ją oferują.

W tym roku ruszyliśmy w dwie równoległe podróże - interesuje nas [internet i to](https://edgeryders.eu/c/ioh), jak zmienić jego dynamikę (czyli jak sprawić, żeby człowiek znów był centrum projektowania technologii, nie zysk) i to, dlaczego świat zalewa fala destrukcyjnych politycznych ruchów, w niezwykle delianon3213561856nym momencie dla ludzkości. Korzystamy w tych badaniach z metody, którą sami opracowaliśmy, wierząc, że co dwie (wiele) głowy, to nie jedna - i że wyanon1235093333na opinii i dyskusja online są niezwykłym źródłem wiedzy i kolektywnej mądrości. Opracowaliśmy do tego narzędzie open source, za pomocą którego etnografowie kodują i analizują dyskusję. Wiedza wynikająca z wyanon1235093333ny poglądów i doświadczeń w ramach POPrebel/Wellbeing może wpłynąć na mądrzejszą politykę społeczną i ekonomiczną w Polsce i w Europie, i dać zaczątek nowej jakości relacjom - bo z naszego doświadczenia dialog i otwartość zwykle prowadzą do niezwykle ciekawych projektów i dalszych działań.

Wasze obserwacje i doświadczenia są esencją codzienności w naszym kraju - i mają gigantyczną wartość. W dyskusji z drugim człowiekiem mamy też szansę skonfrontować nasze wizje świata i zrozumieć inne perspektywy, ścieżki, wybory życiowe. Uczymy się od siebie i dzięki sobie nawzajem. 

No więc po to są te historie. 

Jednym z liderów tego projektu jest @anon4110936133 Kubik, antropolog, który niezwykle wnikliwie analizuje sytuację w Polsce. Polecam wam gorąco jego teksty: https://populism-europe.com/poprebel/researchers/prof-jan-kubik/

Jeśli chcecie, mogę spróbować namówić go też do rozmowy z nami online, albo do odwiedzin w dniu naszego wydarzenia w Warszawie.

A tymczasem namawiam was do prowadzenia dyskusji nt otwartego forum, waszych motywacji do jego organizacji i waszych obserwacji nt życia w Polsce na naszej platformie. Wiem, że nie jest ona łatwa, tak jak Facebook - ale też nie jest ona facebookiem, wasze dane są anonimowe (na tyle, na ile chcecie) i informacje, które na niej zbieramy, są używane w transparentny sposób - bo wierzymy w to, że wiedza i informacje powinny być ludzkim dobrem, a nie korporacyjnym złotem. 

Mam nadzieję, że teraz będzie trochę jaśniej :) 

Natalia Skoczylas, POPrebel"
3,59400,2019-09-16T19:50:17.223Z,10764,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,59216,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,
9,69718,2020-02-01T19:27:46.576Z,10764,0,3,2,0,0,0,15.6,59216,anon2661411812,anon3593942245,"As this is the perfect intro to the project for participants, I have merged this into the ""[About the … category](/t/9553)"" topic.

To avoid content redundancy, I will now remove the pinning for this topic and set it to ""unlisted"". If anyone wants to change this again, let's please discuss here first what is a good solution."
10,69719,2020-02-01T19:27:53.281Z,10764,0,3,2,2,0,0,10.6,59216,anon2661411812,anon3593942245,
1,54940,2019-06-12T07:22:16.666Z,10129,1,18,17,9,0,0,83.6,54940,anon3760940791,anon3760940791,"Wydaje mi się, że jeśli chodzi o wzrost radykalnej, skrajnej prawicy, to związany jest on z marszem niepodległości, który odbywa się od 2009 roku. Na początku było to niszowe wydarzenie, związane z ONRem, skrajną, ksenofobiczną organizacją młodzieżową, która reaktywowała organizację z lat 30-tych o tej samej nazwie. Wtedy była ona związana z falą faszystowskich tendencji w Europie - trwał zachwyt Mussolinim, Adolfem Hitlerem - i takie organizacje powstawały w wielu krajach. Współcześnie odwołuje się on ideologią do swojego poprzednika: tradycji antysemickich gett ławkowych, bitwy o handel i zwalczanie żydowskiej przedsiębiorczości, ataki fizyczne na mniejszości etniczne, w szczególności żydowską i ukraińską.

ONR postanowił wrócić do lat swojej świetności organizując marsze z Młodzieżą Wszechpolską - pierwszy anon1235093333ł miejsce w 2008 roku, 11 listopada. Jako ruch antyfaszystowski blokowaliśmy go z sukcesem w Warszawie i zmusiliśmy ich do zanon1235093333ny. Był to sygnał, że nie dajemy zgody na przemarsz ludzi o takich poglądach. Kolejne marsze blokowały różne środowiska - od Gazety Wyborczej, po antifę i anarchistów. Mimo to marsz się rozrasta i obecnie liczy do 100 tys osób (niepotwierdzone), i jest bodajże największym zgromadzeniem publicznym w Polsce.

Środowisko skrajnej prawicy wybiło się w opozycji do rządów PO w latach 2007-2015, budując kult żołnierzy wyklętych i promując reakcyjne myślenie - homofobiczne, zachowawcze i anon3213561856olickie - ale takie przedsoborowe, nieekumeniczne myślenie, nie uwzględniające wielogłosu rzymskiego anon3213561856olicyzmu.

Po 2015 roku, skrajna prawica zdobyła patrona w postaci władzy państwowej - nowy rząd PiSu, poprzez swoich wojewodów, zaczyna wspierać finansowo skrajne prawicowe organizacje, wciągając do władzy ludzi z tych ugrupowań. Przykłady? Minister Cyfryzacji, który jest związany z Młodzieżą Wszechpolską, albo Wojewoda lubelski Czarnek, doktor prawa KULu, który chodzi co roku na marsz Żołnierzy Wyklętych i jako jeden z głównych organizatorów tego wydarzenia uwiarygodnia je z perspektywy autorytetu swojego stanowiska. Jego poglądy są skrajne prawicowe i homofobiczne - zawarł on np. ostatnio ugodę z organizatorem Marszu Równości w Lublinie, który pozwał go za dyskryminujące wypowiedzi.

Część skrajnej prawicy weszła do parlamentu na fali popularności nowego lidera, Pawła Kukiza - jednak szybko się pokłócili i oderwali od partii, realizując indywidualnie swoje postulaty. Tacy narodowcy, jak np. Winnicki, czy Zawisza, ściągali do parlamentu innych przedstawicieli skrajnej prawicy z Europy - Węgier, Włoch, Hiszpanii, tworząc międzynarodówkę skrajnie prawicowych, antyunijnych, ksenofobicznych organizacji.

Z perspektywy Lublina, który jest prowincjonalnym anon1235093333stem dość blisko Warszawy, widoczny jest drenaż aktywnych, kreatywnych jednostek, więc prawicowi liderzy (raczej nie liderki, bo dominują na prawicy faceci) zasilają struktury centralnych jednostek - odbiło się to np. na frekwencji na marszu Żołnierzy Przeklętych, któremy brakuje lokalnego lidera. Zasilają je więc tutaj raczej środowiska kibicowskie, osiedlowe, subkulturowe - a elitę stanowią osoby z KULu, które działają w stowarzyszeniu Vademecum, akademickim klubie myśli społeczno-politycznej, z którego wyłoniły się twarze skrajnej polskiej prawicy - Ziemkiewicz, Zawisza, profesor Ryba, który zasiada teraz w sejmiku i ma narodowo-socjalistyczne poglądy. Wydaje się, że za czasów Platformy ten ruch wyglądał &ldquo;ciekawiej&rdquo; - po 2010 roku mieliśmy bardziej aktywnych Autonomicznych Nacjonalistów, niszową grupę bazującą na niemieckiej anti-antifie, alternatywnie wyglądającej subkultury młodzieżowej, która ma reakcyjne poglądy, czasami wręcz terrorystyczne.

Wreszcie zostaje nam prawicowy plakton, czyli Marian Kowalski, kiedyś rzecznik prasowy ONR, związany z Idź pod Prąd, grupą pastora Chojeckiego i jego rodziny, która prowadzi też swój program telewizyjny. W zeszłym roku się pokłócili i Kowalski założył grupę My z Lublina, z której kandydował na prezydenta anon1235093333sta - dostał niecały 1 procent. Poparcie skrajnej prawicy jest więc szczątkowe, mimo medialności i rozpoznawalności tych osób. Nie są oni poważani przez wyborcę, ale są widoczni i wpływają na życie publiczne dlatego, że pracują z innymi grupami.

Jedną z innowacji Ministerstwa Obrony Narodowej z Macierewiczem na czele jest obywatelska milicja w postaci Wojsk Obrony Terytorialnej, składających się z nisko wykwalifikowanych oddziałów parawojskowych z powszechnego naboru. Siły te wspierają kurczącą się armię polską - mamy 2 brygady w Lublinie, które kultywują mit i legendę żołnierzy wyklętych. Dla mnie to jest ciekawe, bo mój wuj, major Wisła, był zastępcą głównego Żołnierza Wyklętego na lubelszczyźnie, Hieronima Dygutowskiego-Zapory - to moja rodzinna mitologia, w której się wychowałem, i widzę, jak od końca lat 80-tych mit się deformował - uprawia się hagiografię tych osób i ignoruje nadużycia, których się dopuścili.

Wojska obrony terytorialnej budują więc swoje zaplecze na tej historii i przyciągają osoby ze skrajnej prawicy - dając im okazję zdobywać wiedzę, umiejętności i praktykę w walce paramilitarnej, co uważam za niebezpieczne. Jeśli pojawią się okoliczności do ich użycia, może to mieć złe skutki dla wielu różnych mniejszości w Polsce. Wróg publiczny zmienia się teraz regularnie. Mamy też inną nowość - klasy mundurowe - które militaryzuja życie spoleczne. Przychodzenie do szkoły w mundurach jest dość popularne.

Lubelszczyzna, jako dawna Kongresówka, charakteryzuje się konserwatywnymi postawami - była matecznikiem PSL, teraz jest elektoratem PiSu. Widać duże zanon1235093333ny - znika rolnik polski, zastępują go latyfundyści, prowadzący monokultury rolne. Zanikają tradycyjne zawody i lokalne &ldquo;powołanie&rdquo;, a wraz z nimi zmienia się tkanka społeczna, małe anon1235093333steczka wymierają z braku pracy. I to o ten małomiejski/wiejski elektorat walczy z sukcesem PiS. Moim zdaniem ich polityka niewiele różni się od PO - poza pakietem socjalnym, dzięki środkom unijnym kontynuują duże infrastrukturalne projekty, czyli tzw. zalewanie betonem na duża skalę i wycinanie drzew (ostatnio prezydent Parczewa). W Lublinie widać jednak kurczącą się scenę startupów, którą PO wspierało, i która po lokalnych wyborach zaczęła migrować. Podoba się wyborcom na pewno ich polityka godnościowa, napędzana przez media publiczne - co działa, dlatego, że elity podśmiechują się z niższych klas. Moi rodzice też na nich głosują - a są z Kazimierza Dolnego, który wydaje się dość kosmopolitycznym anon1235093333steczkiem."
2,55448,2019-06-19T16:53:57.963Z,10129,0,12,11,2,1,0,27.4,54940,anon2446385507,anon3760940791,"Cześć,

Dziękuję za to, co dla mnie wygląda na głęboką analizę, mimo że nie jestem zbyt dobrze zaznajomiony z polskim kontekstem.

[quote=""anon
Support for the extreme right is therefore residual, despite the media and the recognition of these people. They are not respected by the voter, but they are visible and affect public life because they work with other groups.
[/quote]

To jest bardzo ciekawe!

[Czy przeczytałeś historię, którą opowiada @anon1274458134?](https://edgeryders.eu/t/kaczynski-upomnial-sie-o-przecietnego-kowalskiego/10143) Podoba mi się, jak rozpoznaje swoje przywiązanie do PiS i wyjaśnia dlaczego."
3,60029,2019-09-27T13:36:46.251Z,10129,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,54940,anon1274458134,anon3760940791,"Hej. Mam pytanie w kontekście Marszu Niepodległości. U swojego zarania był on rzeczywiście niewielką, mało znaczącą imprezą hajlujących typów, obecnie rozrósł się do bodaj największego zgromadzenia publicznego w Polsce i łączy bardzo wiele środowisk. Mam tez wrażenie, że prawicowa ekstrema to tylko margines tego ruchu.
Pytanie: czy nie uważasz, że to własnie histeria Gazety Wyborczej i próby blokady marszu zadecydowały o wzroście jego popularności?
Pozdrawiam :slight_smile:anon1274458134"
4,60037,2019-09-27T14:13:22.182Z,10129,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,60029,anon3760940791,anon1274458134,"Główną przyczyną jest fakt, że władza kompletnie abdykowała w organizowaniu masowych obchodów święta niepodległości. Upraszczając: uczestnicy idą na ""patriotyczny"" marsz skrajnej prawicy, bo nie za bardzo mają inną opcję w ten dzień. ONR i MW niejako przejęły te obchody. 
Środowisko antyfaszystowskie blokowało (początkowo) marsze nacjonalistów, bo taka jest ich naturalna rola. Prawicowe media zaczęły mobilizować ludzi w kontekście blokad i marsz z czasem urósł.
Niemniej - wpisuje się to w typowy dla całej Europy Środkowej obecny wzrost tendencji nacjonalistycznych (środowiska te w poszczególnych krajach współpracują ze sobą i wymieniają doświadczeniami), których emanacją jest m.in. ten coroczny marsz."
5,60125,2019-09-30T09:33:13.407Z,10129,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,60037,anon1274458134,anon3760940791,"Dziękuje za odpowiedź. Jak o tym pomyślę to rzeczywiście widzę, że żadna władza nie potrafiła ""zagospodarować"" tego święta i zrobić czegoś z zapałem ludzi do wyrażania radości z odzyskania niepodległości. Chociaż prawdę powiedziawszy chyba cieszę się z tego, że Marsz nie jest inicjatywą państwową a społeczną. Jak widzisz moja ocena tego wydarzenia jest raczej pozytywna. Dostrzegam też wyraźną różnicę pomiędzy Twoim i moim oglądem tego wydarzenia, co jest chyba dość typowe dla osób mających tak różne poglądy. To co dla Ciebie będzie czymś skrajnym, dla mnie będzie normalnością. Tu na tym portalu zresztą pojawił się taki tekst - o tym, że to co dla ogólnie rzecz biorąc prawej strony jest normalnością dla środowisk  ""antyfaszystowskich"" jest prawicową ekstremą. Nie mogę nie przytoczyć tutaj w sumie śmiesznej historyjki z 2011 r. kiedy to rozhisteryzowana dziennikarka TVN relacjonowała Marsz Niepodległości słowami brzmiącymi mniej więcej tak: ""uczestniczy wznoszą agresywne hasła.....głównie Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna"" :smiley:"
6,60176,2019-09-30T14:36:15.567Z,10129,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,60125,anon3593942245,anon1274458134,"Jeśli mogę coś od siebie dorzucić, chociaż myślę, że @anon3760940791 zrobi to dużo lepiej, to wszystko zależy od tego, co kryje się za takimi hasłami - są osoby, dla których ojczyzna i bóg (co do honoru, to sama nie wiem, o co chodzi, jak tak dłużej pomyślę :))) będą oznaczały zupełnie niewinne rzeczy: przynależność do pewnej wspólnoty, kultury, historii, języka, etc. To samo z anon860407196em - wiara w pewne zasady, porządek świata. Ale jeśli te same hasła są w używane przez osoby, które nie wierzą w Holokaust i nie praktują tego, co głosił Jezus (kochaj bliźniego swego jak siebie samego), to można te słowa uznać za głos agresywnych radykałów, choć pozornie niewinny i dla wielu niepodważalny. 

Niezwykle doceniam to, że wchodzisz w  tą rozmowę, @anon1274458134 - pomimo różnic poglądów. Wygląda na to, że możemy rozmawiać o tym, co postrzegamy inaczej ;)"
7,60258,2019-10-01T10:04:53.933Z,10129,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,60176,anon1274458134,anon3593942245,"@anon
dlatego właśnie ciesze się, że powstała ta platforma wyanon1235093333ny myśli i możemy tutaj podyskutować. Osoby o określonych poglądach często zamykają się w tzw. bańkach informacyjnych - wybierają tylko te media i te informacje, które są zgodne z ich przekonaniami. Swoją droga podobno problem ten bardziej dotyczy, o dziwo, osób określających się jako liberałowie. Przeprowadzono na ten temat nawet badanie naukowe: https://www.rp.pl/Plus-Minus/301319953-Uprzedzony-jak-liberal.html 

W każdym razie ciekawe jest dla mnie poznawanie za pomocą tej strony poglądów tak zupełnie różnych od mojego. Na przykład zaciekawiła mnie i zaskoczyła opinia @anon3760940791 o wojskach obrony terytorialnej jako kuźni kadr dla prawicowych bojówek i ewentualnego użycia tych wojsk do jak się domyślam tłumienia zamieszek. Zupełnie nie zgadzam się z ta opinią, ale wcześniej nie do końca byłem świadom, że ktoś może taka ocenę sytuacji mieć."
1,60090,2019-09-29T18:39:58.702Z,10912,0,9,8,3,0,0,16.8,60090,anon3028939398,anon3028939398,"Problemem niskich zarobków polskiego społeczeństwa (ostatnia dominanta:2500 zł brutto, mediana:3300 zł brutto) i niskiego bogactwa jest coraz szerzej propagowany socjalizm w Polsce. Dobrobyt, bogactwo bierze się z pracy , a nie z podatków czy dotacji. Każdy pracujący w Polsce oddaje państwu w podatkach, według różnych badań, od 50 % do 70% zarobków. Należy likwidować takie programy jak 500 + czy 13 emerytura. Równolegle należy zmniejszać opodatkowanie pracy i biurokrację, likwidować wszelkiego rodzaju koncesje czy licencje i pozwalać swobodnie ludziom pracować. Należy także zlikwidować pensję minimalną, która jest często przeszkodą dla osób wkraczających na rynek pracy w celu zdobycia pierwszych doświadczeń. Socjalizm i wysokie koszty pracy mogą być dobrym powodem dla przedsiębiorców do automatyzacji pracy, co przełoży się na większe bezrobocie jak i większe wydatki budżetu na świadczenia socjalne."
2,60172,2019-09-30T14:28:18.183Z,10912,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,60090,anon3593942245,anon3028939398,"Cześć, @anon3028939398

Mam wrażenie, że otwierasz tutaj bardzo dużo tematów, które wyanon1547754019ją starannego rozpakowania i opisania. 

Po pierwsze - kto i jaki socjalizm propaguje w Polsce? I jaki socjalizm jest faktycznie praktykowany? Co oznacza dla Ciebie socjalizm? I co oznacza dobrobyt? Czy dobrobyt jednostki jest ważniejszy od dobra ogółu? Czy solidarność z innymi nie jest już wartością wartą pracy w Polsce? 

Po drugie - bardzo ciekawa jestem, skąd Twoje oszacowania dot. podatków pochodzą? Czy mógłbyś podzielić się ze mną swoimi źródłami?

Co do pensji minimalnej, uważam, że praca powinna być opłacana, niezależnie, czy jest to ktoś początkujący, czy zaawansowany - minimalna pensja oznacza, że stać Cię na dach nad głową i jedzenie, więc Twoje prawa jako człowieka są zrealizowane w absolutnym minimum. Jakie proponowałbyś alternatywy, żeby upewnić się, że młody, początkujący pracownik ma godne warunki do życia (bez szaleństwa, ale pokój, jedzenie, transport, ubezpieczenie), zdobywając konieczne doświadczenie? Najtrudniejsze jest to w klasach niższych - jeśli Twojej rodziny nie stać na wsparcie, to nigdy nie wyjdziesz z biedy. Bardzo jestem ciekawa Twojego pomysłu. 

 Co do automatyzacji, to z niecierpliwością na nią czekam - ale ja nie wierzę w konieczność pracy i uważam, że wiele dostępnych pozycji jest absolutnie zbędna. Pytanie, czy rządy na świecie będą potrafiły skonstruować taki system, który pomoże uwolnić nas od nudnej i żmudnej pracy i nie da ludziom umierać z głodu. To jest wyzwanie, nad którym wielu już pracuje i które pilnie obserwuję.

Z góry dzięki za odpowiedź - wiem, że to dużo pytań, ale niewiele napisałeś a poruszasz ogromnie złożone problemy, chciałabym Cię więc zrozumieć lepiej.

Pozdrawiam!"
1,55069,2019-06-13T12:02:23.381Z,10143,0,18,17,27,0,0,168.6,55069,anon1274458134,anon1274458134,"Ciekawie móc w takim miejscu podzielić się swoimi poglądami. Odbyliśmy z Mikołajem (anon2693311786em) niezwykle ciekawą rozmowę, która bardzo nas otworzyła. Wydawałoby się, że obaj mamy zupełnie różne podejście do sprawy... Punktem wyjścia była kwestia: dlaczego jestem za prawicą (o ile PiS jest prawicą, a nie pobożnymi socjalistami). No cóż, jestem właściwie jeszcze na prawo od PiSu i tym razem głosowałem na Konfederację (wcześniej na A. Dudę i PiS).

Mam wrażenie, że PiS jest pierwszą władzą w III RP, która podniosła temat naszej narodowej dumy i ambicji, i gra tą kartą bardzo rozsądnie i bez kompleksów na arenie międzynarodowej. Przecież Polska historycznie zawsze anon1235093333ła i wciąż ma trochę niespełnione ambicje mocarstwowe. Pierwszy raz mam poczucie, że ktoś ma odwagę  przeciwstawić się dominacji krajów Zachodnich (w szczególności polityczno-gospodarczej dominacji niemieckiej). W naszym interesie narodowym, tak jak go pojmuję, leży balansowanie wpływów niemieckich i rosyjskich. Nie możemy pozwolić, byśmy byli pariasami Europy, zdominowanymi i wykorzystywanymi przez silniejszych od siebie. 

Szeroko pojęta prawica zdaje się to dostrzegać, zaś umowna „lewa&rdquo; strona reprezentuje w odbiorze społecznym postawę uległości względem partnerów z Zachodu. Między innymi, stąd, taki a nie inny mój wybór. Równocześnie jestem świadom błędów jakie popełnia PiS,  zarówno na arenie międzynarodowej, a w szczególności krajowej- tutaj popełnia właściwie wszystkie błędy poprzednich władz, ale Kaczyński  jako pierwszy tak naprawdę zasadniczo zauważył (nie tylko deklaratywnie) przeciętnego Kowalskiego, wywodzącego się z klasy robotniczo-chłopskiej (sam właśnie wywodzę się z takiego prowincjonalnego środowiska, z czego jestem dumny), którego z niezrozuanon1235093333łych powodów w zasadzie w ogóle nie było wcześniej w mainstreamie, a przecież stanowi on większość naszego społeczeństwa!!! 

Kaczyński sprawia wrażenie jakby faktycznie zamierzał wreszcie pomóc wspomnianemu Polakowi, który przez trzydzieści lat od zanon1235093333ny ustrojowej nierzadko natrafiał na szklany sufit nie do przebicia, którego ambicje i aspiracje nie były w ogóle zauważane lub wręcz wyśmiewane. Mówi językiem większości, który przez tę większość jest dobrze rozuanon1235093333ny (w przeciwieństwie do języka &quot;elit&quot;, którym wcześniej nas obdarowywano). A że popełniają błędy, uprawiają kolesiostwo i czerpią profity z obsadzenia „swoimi&rdquo; wszelkich możliwych instytucji? No cóż, wszyscy to robili. Ale prawdę powiedziawszy nie jestem bezwzględnym wyborcą PiSu. Staram się uczestniczyć we wszystkich wyborach: parlamentarnych, prezydenckich, lokalnych i euro - parlamentarnych i nie zawsze oddaję głos na PiS. Często mój głos wędruje w kierunku antysystemowej prawej strony. Uważam, że siłą PiS jest słabość opozycji zgromadzonej pod sztandarami Koalicji Obywatelskiej i Wiosny i jej nieporadność medialna (mimo ogromnego poparcia ze strony większości polskojęzycznych mediów). Im więcej słów wypowiedzianych w sprawie rzekomego braku demokracji, dyktatury, ciemnogrodu i nierzadko pogardy wobec istotnych dla mnie wartości, im więcej tępego uderzania w wierzących i tradycje narodowe, tym przychylniej patrzę na „prawą&rdquo; stronę polskiej polityki, a jej „lewa&rdquo; część zaczyna się jawić jako oderwani od rzeczywistości ludzie nienawidzący własnego narodu i ojczyzny. 

Nie bez znaczenia jest też skupienie się przywódców opozycji na dość prymitywnym krytykowaniu PiS, przy jednoczesnym braku konstruktywnych propozycji rozwiązania problemów. Zaczyna to czasem przypominać wręcz jakąś paranoję. Kampania KO zdaje się być skupiona na przekazie: wybierzcie nas bo nie jesteśmy PiS. To do niczego nie prowadzi, a im więcej ordynarnej krytyki Kaczyńskiego, tym mniej mi zaczyna przeszkadzać np. tepa propaganda TVP, czy inne wady obecnego rządu.

Oglądam relację z parady Równości i widzę dziwnie ubraną osobę mówiącą, że starzy muszą wymrzeć i wreszcie normalni ludzie będą u władzy i myślę sobie, że ja dziękuję za takich normalnych ludzi. W zasadzie w wielu kwestiach jestem do dogadania: nie anon1235093333łbym nic przeciwko temu, żeby dwie osoby homoseksualne łączyła prawnie więź, która skutkuje np. spadkiem po śmierci partnera, lub możliwością wspólnego rozliczania podatku, ale dlaczego nazywać to od razu małżeństwem? Tak naprawdę chyba trochę boję się, że zanon1235093333na, którą mają nam lewacy i tęczowi do zaproponowania przyjdzie zbyt drastycznie i nie mam poczucia, że są gotowi na dyskusje, a przecież to my mamy większość i to z nami trzeba się układać.

Jako doktor nauk o bezpieczeństwie, z (podobno) niemałą wiedzą historyczną, jestem świadom pewnych mechanizmów międzynarodowych i całe nasze doświadczenie dziejowe wskazuje, że mamy fatalne położenie geostrategiczne i Rosja z natury rzeczy jest naszym wrogiem. Tak było jest i będzie, a jeśli nie wierzysz, to zapraszam na wycieczkę po nie tak odległym ukraińskim, o przepraszam, rosyjskim Krymie. 

A Niemcy? No cóż, kiedyś już ktoś powiedział, że nie ma stałych sojuszy, są tylko stałe interesy. Niemcy  świetnie je realizują i nie ma co się na to obrażać. My też powinniśmy. Przykład: polska flota transportowa jest jedną z największych w Europie, zdominowaliśmy rynek  transportu, bo jesteśmy konkurencyjni. W odpowiedzi na tę przewagę w tej dziedzinie nasi zachodni sąsiedzi proponują wprowadzenie minimalnej stawki dla pracowników  jeżdżących po zachodnioeuropejskich drogach, by tym samym zabić naszą konkurencyjność. A co z tymi wszystkimi dziedzinami, w których dominują Państwa Zachodnie? Co z  nimi? Zmęczyła mnie służalcza postawa wobec Zachodu. To nie jest tylko tak, że musimy być wdzięczni za obecność w Unii, kraje Unii mają z tego więcej niż my i to jest oczywiste. 

Nie podoba mi się proponowana wcześniej wersja liberalizmu w Polsce, ona zupełnie wykluczyła tych, którzy nie łapią się na dobrobyt. A Kaczyński się o nich upomniał, a przynajmniej o część z nich. I na tym wygrywa."
2,55070,2019-06-13T12:05:54.071Z,10143,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,55069,anon3593942245,anon1274458134,@anon4110936133 anon2693311786  application story
3,56450,2019-07-10T10:02:22.877Z,10143,1,10,9,4,0,0,42.0,55069,anon2867672406,anon1274458134,"> [Machine translated] The broadly understood right wing seems to perceive this, whereas the conventional ""left"" side represents in the social perception the attitude of submission towards the partners from the West. Among other things, hence, this is my choice. 

Very interesting. But what I still don't understand, @anon1274458134: which do you think are Poland's strategic interests that are in contrast to those of its Western partners? You do give an example, but it seems relatively minor: 

> [Machine translated] our western neighbors propose the introduction of a minimum rate for employees traveling on West European roads, thereby killing our competitiveness.

It seems that the two opposite sides are discussing an interpretation of the Single Market. Interesting, but hardly strategic. A strategic opposition would be ""we prefer a Chinese/American/Russian dominated Europe, so we do not participate in the European unification project"". Or ""we do not want to be in a Union of states, and we do not want a powerful Union next to our borders, so we try to weaken it"". It does not seem you are going down that road... or am I wrong? Maybe the machine translation (sorry, I speak no Polish)."
4,56847,2019-07-18T08:16:25.575Z,10143,1,8,7,1,0,0,71.6,56450,anon1274458134,anon2867672406,"Hi Alberto! Thank you for your vote in the discussion

First and foremost, I must say that I am not an opponent of European integration as such. Likewise, I do not think our current government is against it. At the same time, however, I believe that the European Union in its present shape is an instrument of German economic and political domination. Much is said about European solidarity and that the smaller countries of Central and Eastern Europe should renounce some independence in its name. Meanwhile, a good example of how the countries of Western Europe treat European solidarity is the construction of the anon4257924512stream II pipeline, which threatens the security of the Baltic States and Poland. Or the attitude of Frans Timmermans, vividly interested in the alleged threat of democracy in Poland, to the use of violence against protesters in France. A discussion about the rule of law in France? Of course not! It is France. We'd better talk about Hungary and Poland. Much to mention. Anyway, I think that the EU is in a serious crisis and needs remodeling. I am in favor of &quot;Europe of Homelands&quot;. About the contradictions of our and western interests: I believe that the basic contradiction is the attitude to Russia and the United States (anon4257924512stream II, sanctions against Russia, involvement in Ukraine, American bases in Europe, the Chinese new silk route). In addition, I get the impression that for the West, our region is only a market and a reservoir of cheap labor - pseudo-colonial expansion space. This is in clear contradiction with the interests of post-communist countries to build an efficient and competitive economy. we should also mention the differences in worldviews. Shortening and simplifying: all leftist ideological initiatives will be treated with distrust in our region. Let me give an example: We **do not have** systemic experiences of oppression against homosexual people. Unlike many Western countries, where homosexual practices were penalized. That is why all initiatives of European institutions that support LGBT appear to us as silly  and unnecessary, even harmful.

So that would be enough :) it was interesting to speak in this place. Take care!"
5,56866,2019-07-18T20:07:10.528Z,10143,0,8,7,1,0,0,21.6,56847,anon2867672406,anon1274458134,"Very interesting, @anon1274458134, thanks! And of course you are right about some of the larger and better equipped countries being good at defending their interests within the bloc. But, as a native of a large but politically weak country (Italy), I find it would be perhaps more effective to insist that the power of states is _weakened_ within the EU, not strengthened. This way, Italians who are worried about something (say, anon4257924512stream II or police violence against protesters) to make an alliance with like-minded, say, Poles or Hungarians. It would be ""one man, one vote"", with little room for states to block or veto ideas that have wide (but dispersed) support. 

Your idea of ""Europe of homelands"" was always present in recent European history (it was, for example, De Gaulle's battle cry), and I see it gaining traction. Maybe the reason why I am not fully convinced is that I do not trust my government very much. With some nice exceptions (the presidency of the Republic, the Bank of Italy, the Constitutional Court), Italian institutions have a dubious track record. EU institutions, for all their faults, seem to be more competent and less corrupt. But perhaps Poland is different that way, I don't know – and I have to say that I was impressed by how Tusk handled the very difficult situation of Brexit, and now I am sad to see him go."
6,60162,2019-09-30T13:49:20.270Z,10143,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,55069,anon1274458134,anon1274458134,"@anon2867672406
Ciekawa wypowiedź Alberto! Szczególnie ten fragment o tym, że instytucje europejskie być może działają sprawniej niż nasze narodowe. Rozumiem Twój tok myślenia. Coś w tym jest i częściowo zgadzam się z tym.....Ale!  W mojej ocenie problemem jest to, że działają one nierzadko przeciwko mniejszym graczom takim jak Polska lub Węgry. Zresztą, czy to przypadkiem w Twojej ojczyźnie Unia Europejska narzuciła narodowi włoskiemu kształt rządu?"
1,59991,2019-09-26T16:33:01.951Z,10891,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,59991,anon303474546,anon303474546,"Ten wywód dotyczy programu 500+.
Ogólnie uważam, że zaanon1235093333st dawać rodzinie 500 złotych na konto można byłoby zapewnić dzieciom 1) darmowe podręczniki 2) darmowe obiady szkolne 3) dodatkowe zajęcia „wyrównawcze” poza planem
W Norwegii nauczyciele uważani są za mentorów. Uczą dzieci tak na prawdę samodzielności i wielu przydatnych umiejętności w życiu. W Polsce nauczyciel traktowany jest jako konieczne zło - i może przez to, że jest tak od x lat - potem staje się zgorzkniały i wyżywa się na dzieciach. Coś rodzi coś.
Generalnie kobietom bardziej opłaca się rodzić dzieci, niż chodzić do pracy. Jest to hamowanie gospodarki, brakuje pracowników. A poza tym dug narodowy rośnie...."
2,60059,2019-09-28T14:49:08.731Z,10891,0,7,6,2,0,0,11.4,59991,anon3593942245,anon303474546,"hej @anon303474546

Zapraszam Cię do wywodu! ;) Jestem bardzo ciekawa Twoich opinii nt programu 500 plus - czy doświadczasz tego z perspektywy ojca? Jak duża jest Twoja rodzina? Jaką rolę pełni ta pomoc w dobrobycie waszej rodziny?

A jeśli nie jesteś ojcem, skąd Twoje przekonanie o słuszności tej pomocy? I co myślisz o fakcie, że pomoc jest dostępna także dla bogatych? 

Drugi wątek, jakiego poruszasz, to edukacja. Czy sam jesteś nauczycielem? 

Mamy na tej platformie kilka fantastycznych nauczycielek i eduanon3213561856orek, które pewnie by się z Tobą zgodziły co do roli i estymy nauczyciela w klasie:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edukacja-edukacja-edukacja/ - o pracy w progresywnej szkole prywatnej w anon3213561856olickim Lublinie

O biedzie nauczycielskiej: https://edgeryders.eu/t/stazysta

Poza tym @anon750699873 i @anon4072339719 to też waleczne kobiety w sferze edukacji nieformalnej, które mogłyby pewnie godzinami opowiadać o trudnościach, jakie napotykają profesjonalnie.   

Tutaj historie:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/fajterka/

https://edgeryders.eu/t/sztuka-i-aktywizm

Bardzo czekam na Twoje zdanie :) 

Pozdrawiam!"
1,57657,2019-08-06T14:55:23.199Z,10486,1,13,12,7,0,0,72.6,57657,anon3326486053,anon3326486053,"<image here> 
 
Kościół w anon4110936133owej Górze


Jestem z Dolnego Śląska, tutaj się urodziłem, wychowałem i tak już raczej zostanie. Bywałem w różnych miejscach, ale to jest moje, tu przynależę. Ja nie tylko jestem przeciwko UE, ja jestem przeciwko jakimkolwiek formom na siłę zrzeszania się ludzi. Tak samo jak jestem przeciwko normom unijnym NA WSZYSTKO, które są nam narzucane bezrefleksyjnie. UE była potrzebna Niemcom i Francji, bo to oni rozkręcali większość wojen. Uważam, że to jest możliwe, żeby Polska była poza UE, ale do tego trzeba polityków z charakterem, którzy sprzeciwią się absurdom i wtedy można działać na własną rękę. Są kraje, które to potrafią. 

Jest kilka korzyści z obecności w strukturach: przepływ ludzi i towarów, ale ten kij też ma dwa końce. Bo np. brak kontroli na granicach jest też dużym zagrożeniem. Nie zawsze tak sceptycznie podchodziłem do spraw społecznych. Dawno temu popierałem całym sercem Solidarność, działałem jeszcze jako dziecko. Także pamiętam jak to wyglądało i obserwowałem proces zanon1235093333n, jak pozmieniało się na gorsze i dlaczego ludzie powyjeżdżali za granicę. I wiem dlaczego nie ma przemysłu w moich stronach, ale za to jakieś specjalne strefy ekonomiczne, gdzie niemieckie i belgijskie firmy mają zwolnienia z podatków. Polskie nie mogą tam być. A pracują tam...Ukraińcy, czy jak w Żarnowcu Filipińczycy. No bo jak nie ma czterech milionów młodych ludzi, to trzeba ich ściągnąć z zagranicy. O ile chce się utrzymać wzrost gospodarczy na siłę. Także mój optymizm uleciał po 1990 roku, kiedy to powinienem z racji wieku tryskać pozytywną energią. Widziałem co się wówczas u nas działo, jak ludzie z dnia na dzień tracili pracę, prężne firmy przejmowane były za bezcen. 

W Szwajcarii też mamy kapitalizm i nie ma takich problemów. To chyba mentalność homo sovieticus tak ukształtowała nasz kapitalizm. A perspektywa nie przedstawia się kolorowo, bo ludzie wciąż wyjeżdżają. Przynajmniej z mojego środowiska- Dolnego Śląska. Powoli robi nam się „pustynia” pod każdym względem: demograficznym, gospodarczym. Moje anon1235093333sto to miejsce, do którego przyjeżdżasz na jeden dzień i wyjeżdża. Tu nikt na dłużej nie zostaje. Młodych wysya Wrocław, część tam zostaje, a reszta rusza w świat. No dramat. Gdyby oni poznawali świat i wracali, to super, ale oni nie wracają. Ludzie stracili nadzieję na jakąkolwiek zanon1235093333nę. Już z tym nie walczą, tylko wyjeżdżają. Inna sprawa, że tutaj nie ma nikogo z „dziada pradziada”. Wszyscy tutaj są przyjezdni. Moi przodkowie przybyli ze Wschodu, z okolic Lwowa.

Wracając do UE. Myślę, że z 10 lat potrwa jeszcze nasza przygoda w tej organizacji.  Co ciekawe kiedyś byłem bardziej radykalny w swoich poglądach, nawet agresywny. Od zawsze twierdziłem, że ta cała impreza z UE ma służyć Niemcom i Francji i anon1235093333łem rację. Połowa inwestycji realizowanych w budownictwie i przemyśle są z Niemiec, materiały i firmy. A my tylko pracujemy.  Jesteśmy takim Bantustanem dla nich. Traktują nas z góry, awanturują się w restauracjach, że nie mówi się po niemiecku. Nie ma komu budować społeczności, a młodzi mają telefony zaanon1235093333st mózgu. 

Jak można by to zmienić? Myślę, że to kwestia podatków. Jak są złe podatki, to się źle zaczyna dziać. Ludzie uciekają do miejsc, gdzie zostaje im w kieszeni, gdzie mają lepsze perspektywy, lepszy socjal. To jest proste. A u nas nie ma odpowiedzialności za sprawowanie urzędów, za podejmowane decyzje. Tutaj nie ma poczucia odpowiedzialności, poczucia wspólnoty, zbieranina ludzi zewsząd. Panuje taka mentalność, że „przyjadą Niemcy i tak zabiorą”. Są tutaj domy, które nie były remontowane przez długie lata, bo „po co naprawiać skoro ktoś w końcu po to przyjdzie”. I to najlepiej oddaje mentalność tego regionu. Często się słyszy, że ludziom zarzuca się poglądy faszystowskie, czy nacjonalistyczne, a ludzie często bronią tylko swojego interesu. A władze, te same od dwudziestu lat zajmują się tym samym, czyli niczym. Robią jakieś skwerki, pierdoły, rzeczy, które nie mają przełożenia na gospodarkę. 

anon3326486053 40+
Artysta, nauczyciel, wychowawca trudnej młodzieży"
2,57753,2019-08-08T10:26:01.703Z,10486,0,10,9,1,1,0,7.0,57657,anon2446385507,anon3326486053,"[quote=""anon3326486053, post:1, topic:10486""]
It is often heard that people are accused of fascist or nationalist views, and people often only defend their own interests.
[/quote]

Cześć, dziękuję za bycie tak szczerym na publicznej platformie.

Wydaje mi się, że niezadowolenie dotyczy raczej rządu i krajowego i lokalnego systemu politycznego niż cudzoziemców. Czy to możliwe, że zasadniczo ci ludzie nie są przeciwko Niemcom, Francji i UE jako systemowi? Czy to możliwe, że sprzeciwiają się temu, jak ta struktura gra w Polsce?

@anon1274458134 :
https://edgeryders.eu/t/kaczynski-upomnial-sie-o-przecietnego-kowalskiego/10143

PS Mój komentarz został przetłumaczony z angielskiego na polski za pomocą google. Proszę wybaczyć błędy!"
3,57965,2019-08-14T15:55:31.228Z,10486,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,57657,anon3593942245,anon3326486053,"cześć @anon3326486053 (u)! Twoja historia przypomina mi trochę o tym, co napisał anon162094910 - https://edgeryders.eu/t/region-twardo-stapajacy-po-ziemi/10373

Opowiada on o mieszkaniu w województwie łódzkim, które głosuje na PiS ze względu na swoją antykomunistyczną i antyniemiecką przeszłość. Nie wiem, czy się z nim zgodzisz, czy widzisz coś wspólnego w tej historii? 

Ja z kolei ciekawa jestem przede wszystkim tego kapitalizmu post-socialistycznego i tego, co Twoim zdaniem nie działa w Polsce w porównaniu ze Szwajcarią. Czy są jakieś szczególne rozwiązania polityczne, mechanizmy, które Twoim zdaniem tak świetnie sprawdzają się poza Polską?"
4,60032,2019-09-27T13:52:54.266Z,10486,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,57657,anon1274458134,anon3326486053,"Z ciekawością przeczytałem tą wypowiedź. Szczególnie akapit o Bantustanie :) I widzę, że anon3326486053 dosadnie, choć moim zdaniem, bardzo prawdziwie oddał to jak działa UE. Ma swoje plusy ale jednak zaanon1235093333st kompleksowego rozwoju staliśmy się dla NIemiec i innych państw Zachodu ""przestrzenią neokolonialną"". Za kolorowe paciorki dajemy tania siłę roboczą. A jak już coś fajnego zrobimy (firmy transportowe, meble) to nam się to ucina jakimiś regulacjami unijnymi. Mamy robić w niemieckiej fabryce i cieszyć się z nowego aquaparku. A infrastruktura i rozwój technologiczny? To nie dla Buszmenów ze Wschodu."
1,56547,2019-07-11T15:16:54.679Z,10337,0,16,15,5,0,0,58.2,56547,anon3086215897,anon3086215897,"<image here> 
 

(Bełchatów)

Hej, dzięki za zaproszenie do wyrażenia swoich myśli w temacie. Mikołaj ten szczwany lis nieźle potrafi z człowieka wyciągnąć esencję. Przejdę do konkretu.

Mam 34 lata, pochodzę z województwa łódzkiego, z Bełchatowa, od 3 lat w Gdańsku, a po drodze była Warszawa (3 lata) i Wrocław (8 lat). Mam wyższe wykształcenie techniczne i dość konkretne sprecyzowane i przemyślane zapatrywanie w przeciwieństwie do pewnej strony politycznej, która wydaje się być dość łatwowierna w swoich społecznych poglądach.

Głosuję na Korwina (ostatnio Konfederacja) od lat i w dużej mierze jego zapatrywania, głównie na gospodarkę, ale też politykę społeczną i zagraniczną, są zbieżne z moimi, czyli ogólnie można by tę
stronę polityczną określić jako konserwatywno-liberalną i bardzo europosceptyczną. Jestem po prawej stronie od zawsze i raczej niewiele wskazuje na to, żebym zmienił ten front, chociaż kto wie- mój ojciec, który przez całe życie głosował na prawą stronę, a ostatnio zagłosował na Wiosnę (czym stracił mój „szacunek” :) ).  Uważam, że błędnie w badaniu postawiono tezę, że to niby mamy teraz odchył w prawą stroną, który jest uchyleniem od normy, którą rzekomo był socjalistyczny, lewicowy kurs na lewo. Błąd, błąd, błąd, to właśnie normalnym kierunkiem przez wieki była prawa, konserwatywna strona, a nie lewa. 

To kilkudziesięcioletni skręt w kierunku popularyzacji, delianon3213561856nie rzecz ujmując, wszelkich dziwactw społecznych i delianon3213561856nie rzecz ujmując nie zbieżnych z logiką i rozumem postępowań, które próbuje się wcisnąć jako jedynie słuszne, a tak nie jest. Z powyższego zdania należałoby także wykluczyć pozytywne jednak zanon1235093333ny jakie zaszły w tym okresie. Niemniej jednak sądzę, a wręcz jestem przekonany, że bez wpływu Lewicowców również by nastały w ramach rozwijającego się świata, poglądów, technologii i coraz bardziej otwartych umysłów. Zaryzykuję tezę, że mogłoby być nawet jeszcze lepiej, gdyby kwestiami społecznymi nie indoktrynowano lewacką propagandą a po prostu zwykłym ludzkim rozsądkiem, logiką i rozumem. Dlatego jestem zwolennikiem właśnie prawej strony. Nie jestem za PiSem, ale zdecydowanie wolę PIS od PO-PSL, choć w sumie to wszystko to w wielkiej mierze jeden wielki postkomunistyczny układ, z którego pewnie nieprędko wyjdziemy. Każdy znający choć odrobinę przebieg politycznych rozgrywek zgodziłby się ze mną, że oszukano nas. Obiecano nam zanon1235093333ne systemu, a okazało się, że to są albo ci sami ludzie u władz, albo marionetki poprzedniego ustroju. Polecam film ""Nocna zanon1235093333na"", ew wywiady z ludźmi znającymi rzeczywistość lat 90-tych.

Dlaczego wolę PiS od PO? Ich retoryka jest dla mnie bardziej zrozuanon1235093333ła. W pełni zgadzam się z @anon1274458134 , że PiS przynajmniej ma odwagę podnieść ziemi tematy zakopane przez poprzednie układy: duma narodowa, siła, polskość , a nawet tradycja religijna (choć sam jestem z boku, ale szanuję te kwestie) etc. i deklaruje walkę o te wartości. Polska ma prawo dochodzić swoich praw i budzić swoją siłę. Wreszcie ktoś potrafi się postawić zachodnim krajom (przynajmniej próbować a nie pochłaniać wszystkie warunki i propozycje zachodu jak usłużny proletariusz na łasce). PiS rozumie lud bardziej lub mniej, ale na pewno  mówi do niego właściwym językiem, w kwestiach społeczno socjalnych, z którymi jako prawicowiec ja akurat się nie zgadzam. Widzę jednak, że PIS umie trafić do narodu, albo po prostu znakomicie się reklamuje. Retoryka opozycji w tym zakresie jest pokroju niedojrzałych małych ludzi, których jedynym argumentem krzyczącym w mojej głowie (i chyba nie tylko mojej) jest: Nie głosujcie na PIS bo oni są źli i zrobili zamach na konstytucję, a my jesteśmy lepsi, ale dlaczego to już nie słychać …. ???? Coś w stylu sceny z dnia świra o racji mojszej …. Niż twojszej

Jestem też realistą, skoro już jesteśmy w UE, to bądźmy w niej, ale na litość boską- zmieniajmy ją. Dla mnie w takiej formie UE jest nie do przyjęcia. Brak tam realnych i pro ludzkich i gospodarczych rozwiązań, w chwili obecnej widzę tam bardziej „aparat” układów i rozgrywek między ludźmi którzy mielą i tworzą pozbawione logiki i prostoty ustawodawstwo tylko w ramach prac pod tytułem musimy zapier…. To nie ważne że z pustą taczką, grunt żeby zapier ….UE za dużo chce w zaanon1235093333n za dopłaty w euro. Uważam, że straciliśmy za duzo suwerenności na rzecz UE. 

Tak, jestem pragmatykiem, nie podoba mi się uprawiane rozdawnictwo, które proponuje UE i PiS w Polsce, jestem za tym, aby dawać ludziom wędkę, a nie rybę. Na ten moment nie mam niestety pomysłu co robić z ludźmi, którzy zjadają wędkę, ale generalnie wierzę w samosterowalność gospodarki i w tym senesie jestem liberałem. Masz tyle, na ile zapracujesz. Idąc w to sądzę, że z czasem ludzie zjadający wędki zaczęliby jednak na nie łowić (choć wtedy należała by im się kolejna szansa na jej otrzymanie, co popieram – dawać wedkę do skutku, a rybę do przysłowiowych trzech razy sztuka) Rozdawnictwo to psucie ludzi uczące bezradności i wiary w „Pana” który zawsze i w każdej sytuacji mną się zaopiekuje, a chyba każdy widzi że „Pan” jednak często opuszcza nas w potrzebach – realnych potrzebach. Obstawiam podmiotowość zarówno jednostki jak i kraju. Jestem za zwiększeniem samodzielności i niezależności krajów na arenie UE. UE nie powinna tak bardzo anon3589994963rować w wewnętrzne sprawy suwerennych Państw. Rzadko oglądam wiadomości, ale jeśli już to faktycznie publiczną (najczęściej teleexpress). Wzburza mnie faktycznie jaką chałę odwala na tym polu PiS, ale wcześniej w zasadzie działo się to samo, choć może bardziej subtelnie. Tak też działa PiS, bardziej bezpośrednio, bez białych rękawiczek jak PO wcześniej. Myślę, że ludzie to szanują ""Przynajmniej nie udają"". Jak rewolucja, to rewolucja a nie działanie na podwójnej rzeczywistości (tej dla mas i tej dla nas z układu).  Brzydzę się tylko nadużywaniem symboli narodowych. Dość mocno  PiS nadwyrężył mi wartość słowa ""patriotyzm"". Mógłbym mówić bez końca, bo latami wypracowywałem sobie zdanie, ale z grubsza to chyba wyraziłem swoje poglądy.

Pozdrawiam po całej szerokości od lewa do prawa, trzymajcie się własnego rozsądku a nie demagogii polityków! Miłego lata"
2,56753,2019-07-16T07:11:32.404Z,10337,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,56547,anon3593942245,anon3086215897,"Cześć @anon3086215897 - dzięki, że znalazłeś czas i ochotę, żeby opowiedzieć nam o tym, co myślisz. Mimo, że poruszyłeś wiele tematów i tłumaczysz swoje poglądy, wciąż mam bardzo dużo pytań - może zechcesz opowiedzieć mi jeszcze odrobinę? :slight_smile: Jestem politolożką (nie za dobrą, ale fascynuje mnie polityka) i lewaczką, chociaż nie zdecydowałam nigdy, jaką dokładnie drogę rozwoju sobie dla ludzkości wyobrażam. Moim zdaniem wolnorynkowy kapitalizm kompletnie nas zawiódł - chociaż słucham znajomych, którzy bronią kapitalizmu i mówią, że gdyby był w jakiś sposób ograniczony, i gdyby nie dochodziło do tak absurdalnej koncentracji pieniędzy i władzy w kilku miejscach, to konkurencja mogłaby mieć pozytywne efekty gospodarcze i sensownie regulować przepływ dóbr. Może i tak, w znanej mi wersji mam wrażenie, że jeśli nie będziemy bogaczy opodatkowywać, nie będziemy rozbijać monopoli i nie stworzymy systemu, który produkuje sensowne ilości potrzebnych rzeczy (nie można tego o kapitaliźmie współczesnym powiedzieć), to będzie wciąż gorzej: głupie prace, niskie płace, ciągłe pogorszenie standardów życia. Jestem za dawaniem wędek, ale musi być co łowić - prace w call center albo bycie sprzątaczką (to drugie przynajmniej służy ludzkości) za liche pieniądze to słaba motywacja do łowienia. Jeśli nie oferuje się wygodnych warunków, to nie ma się co dziwić, że prędzej zjesz tą wędke, niż coś nią złowisz, nie sądzisz? 

Mam jeszcze ok 20 pytań :)"
3,60031,2019-09-27T13:45:08.015Z,10337,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,56753,anon1274458134,anon3593942245,"Hej Natalio. Kiedyś anon1235093333łem poglądy mocno liberalne jeśli chodzi o kwestie gospodarcze. Teoretycznie podobnie jest i teraz - chętnie widziałbym zmniejszenie biurokracji i obniżenie podatków, to jednak nie jestem już typowym korwinistą ;) wiele dały mi do myślenia teksty Rafała Wosia i kwestii gospodarczych nie widzę już w czerni/bieli.
Natoanon1235093333st podobnie jak anon3086215897 czekam na prawdziwą rewolucje i zerwanie z pookrągłostołwym układem, który w mojej ocenie psuje życie publiczne w Polsce."
1,58456,2019-08-27T13:13:11.848Z,10623,0,30,29,347,0,0,1831.0,58456,anon870210313,anon870210313,"Zdravo, ja sam Željko, imam punih 35 godina, dakle rođen sam u poslednjoj dekadi postojanja Socijalističke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije, u Boru, u Socijalističkoj Republici Srbiji. Više od deceniju i po živim u Beogradu, glavnom gradu Republike Srbije. Novinar sam, radio sam kao reporter, voditelj i urednik na televizijama B92 i Studio B. Ali radio sam i kao programski menadžer u nevladinom sektoru, zatim kao event menadžer velikih međunarodnih skupova i, konačno, strateški sam postavljao i ponekad sprovodio više velikih komunikacijskih kampanja za međunarodne organizacije u regionu Zapadnog Balkana, kao i političke kampanje. Bilo je ovo prilično formalno predstavljanje i samo uvod u priču o stvarnosti koju delim sa milionima pripadnika poslednjih generacija Jugoslovena.


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Ne mislim da je najsrećniji prevod engleskog „wellbeing“ naša reč „blagostanje“. Jer blagostanje može imati spiritualnu ili čak religijsku konotaciju i ima rajski prizvuk konačnosti. Dakle kada bih promišljao šta je za mene welbeing, radije bih govorio o dobrobiti. To implicira segmentiranost i stalno ulaganje, jer dobrobit može doći sa raznih strana, iz više oblasti i kada bismo stalno radili za sopstvenu i dobrobit društva u kojem živimo, možda bismo jednog dana i to blagostanje dostigli. No ipak, naše društvo sada je daleko od dobrobiti u svim oblastima. Toliko, da nam blagostanje zaista deluje kao stvar koju mi ateisti dočeanon3213561856i nećemo, a vernike možda sačeka u zagrobnom životu. Zato bih da ovde više govorimo o praktičnim stvarima, o tome da li naša društva danas rade za sopstvenu dobrobit, da li to rade naše države i političari. Najradije bih da govorimo o tome kako društvo i država brinu o zdravlju i socijalnoj zaštiti svojih građanki i građana.
Na početku sam pomenuo da su i republika i federacija u kojoj sam rođen u svom nazivu sadržale reč „socijalistička“. Bio je to poseban, jugoslovenski socijalizam. Nesavršen kao i svako državno uređenje, ali mnogi na to vreme i danas gledaju kao na doba socijalizma sa ljudskim likom. Jer svi građani te zemlje imali su pravo na besplatno školovanje, besplatnu zdravstvenu zaštitu, a svakovrsna socijalna zaštita bila je stvar koja se podrazumevala. Ne, naravno da nije sve bilo savršeno. Uprkos opšte-jugoslovenskoj potrebi da u svemu što je stvoreno imamo prefiks „naj“ taj sistem imao je mnogo mana. A opet, više smo verovali u sebe. Većina Jugoslovenki i Jugoslovena tako je mislila da su njihovi piloti najbolji, da su lekari najstručniji, da je bar nešto oko njih najveće, najbolje ili najlepše, makar u Evropi, ako ne i u svetu. Dok se u to verovalo, populizma nije bilo. Političari sve do kraja osamdesetih nisu govorili samo ono što su ljudi želeli da čuju. Tako se Tito već šezdesetih oštro verbalno obračunava sa nacionalistima i populistima, sedamdesetih se država oštro borila protiv buđenja proustaških i pročetničkih pokreta, a osamdesetih je jugoslovenska „čelična lejdi“ Milka Planinc zavodila stroge mere štednje koje joj svakako nisu mogle podići popularnost. Ali popularnosti i populizam nisu ni bili tako važni građanima koji su čak i kada nije bilo benzina ili kafe, bar uvek mogli da računaju na besplatnu i pristojnu zdravstvenu i socijalnu zaštitu.
Onda su došle devedesete, raspad zemlje i rat, pa ti isti građani više nisu imali ni kafe, ni benzina, ali ni bilo kakvu vrstu sigurnosti. Zdravstveni sistem i sistem socijalne zaštite urušeni su nebrigom, populističkim pristupom, nedostatkom novca i korupcijom. Ono o čemu bih voleo da ovde zajedno promišljamo je – šta sada?
Šta sada kada se u Srbiji spektakularno otvaraju velelepni, novi i moderni klinički centri, dok u domovima zdravlja i ambulantama više nema lekara koji bi pacijente uputili u te kliničke centre? Šta sada kada lekari i medicinske sestre odlaze u zemlje Evropske unije, dok im se u Srbiji obećavavaju veće plate i bolji životni standard za dve, najviše tri godine? Šta sada kada oni koji imaju, plaćaju na hiljade evra, na crno i bez računa, da se njihovi najmiliji leče ili da umru dostojanstveno u privatnim klinikama, dok oni koji te hiljade nemaju, bespomoćno gledaju kako im bliski ljudi odlaze? Šta sada kada jedan mali sloj društva svojim bakama i dekama mirnu starost pruža u preskupim staračkim domovima, dok mnogi penzioneri umiru u uslovima nedostojnim, a nakon svega što su uradili za ovo društvo? Šta sada? 
Upoznao sam nedavmo u  Novom Pazaru gospođu koja ima oko sedamdeset godina. Bila je prodavačica u radnji lokalnog tekstilnog giganta, otišla u starosnu penziju koja je umanjena zbog nedovoljno radnog staža i iznosi 18.000 dinara. Nema stan i nema za stan. Nema za dom. Nema za lekove, nema za hranu, nema nikoga da je pomogne. Nema ni socijalnu pomoć, jer ima penziju, nema političare koji bi se sa njom slikali, jer ta slika nije lepa. I ta slika nikoga ne zanima. Hoću li i ja završiti tako? Koliko će nas iz moje, koliko vas iz vaše generacije će završiti život bez dostojanstva, jednog dana kada ne budemo više ciljna grupa populista koji su tu danas ili onih koji će sutra doći na vlast?"
2,58463,2019-08-27T13:28:57.130Z,10623,1,24,23,2,0,0,34.8,58456,anon757878494,anon870210313,"Pozdrav Željko

Filip ovdje (iz komšiluka, Hrvatske :-) )

Situaciju koju si naveo je često za vidjeti i u Hrvatskoj. Iako smo ušli u Europsku Uniju, dosta ljudi, najčešće stariji ljudi na selu, i dalje muku muče sa preživljavanjem. Penzije su uglavnom niske za veliku većinu ljudi, ljudi su se iselili u Irsku, Njemačku...a starci...ostaju doma. Da gledaju kako se koriste EU fondovi za obnove zgrada, a ljudi sve manje. 

u hr imamo ogromnih problema sa zdravstvom, puno ljudi umire lječničkom greškom i čistom nepažnjom.

Kako to promjeniti? Sve dok se glasa za potomke stranaka 90tih koje su dovele do raspada Jugoslavije, neće biti i ne može biti bolje."
3,58472,2019-08-27T14:52:48.178Z,10623,1,23,22,5,0,0,34.6,58456,anon3593942245,anon870210313,"Welcome to the community, @anon870210313
Pretty moving picture you're painting here - in fact, I'm quite surprised to see that the fear is going beyond the states we tend to see as underdeveloped - as I'm doing a research for an art project about retirement and aging, many of my friends in their 50-ties and 60-ties in Germany also fear about their future. They actually know they will not have enough and will need to work as long as possible. They're Germans, and they're mostly in the cultural/art field. Huh, that was a reality check! I moved to Germany with the sweet feeling of finally being safe, only to discover it's not going to be much better. Not that I want to retire, or any of my friends - but we shall see what happens when we're all not fit to provide for ourselves.

The word wellbeing is also a strange concept in Polish - more economic than anything else, for me, mostly associated with the kind of plush comforts that we used to see as a dream come true since say after the war all around the world. It's interesting how irrelevant the pursuit of wellbeing, as the appears to me in Polish, became. I need a different driver and a different vision. But I'm also curious how other people read it, and what wellbeing means to others, and by what means is it achieved - a plethora of ways, I imagine."
4,58507,2019-08-28T09:00:48.648Z,10623,2,21,20,69,0,0,389.2,58463,anon870210313,anon757878494,"Pozdrav Filipe,

Do pre nekoliko godina, za mene je Hrvatska bila primer kako će Srbija u mnogim oblastima izgledati za pet ili deset godina. Jer taman toliko je Hrvatska bila ispred Srbije u segmentima života koji su meni bili važni. Na žalost, više n želim da to bude tako. Jer više ne želim da Srbija za pet ili deset godina bude tamo gde je Hrvatska danas.
Upravo je Hrvatska, uz možda Bugarsku, najbolji dokaz da ulazak u EU ne znači automatsko rešavanje svih problema. Neki se problemi možda i reše, ali se novi, možda značajniji, tek otvaraju. Kada već govorimo o zdravstvenoj i socijalnoj zaštiti kao osnovama kvalitetnog života sveke građanke i svakog građanina, čini mi se da delimo probleme. Samo je Hrvatska možda i tu otišla korak dalje, odnosno u teže i veće probleme. U Srbiji je izražen trend odlaska medicinskih sestara i lekara u zemlje  EU, ali imamo ""sreću"" da još imamo veliki broj tih ljudi koji do sada nisu ni u Srbiji mogli da pronađu posao, pa ima ko da popuni ta mesta koja ostaju prazna. Medicinsko osoblje iz Hrvatske uživa sva prava na mobilnost unutar EU, pa mi se čini da je tamo problem odlaska još izraženiji. Dodatno, problem je što oni kojima smo se nekad tako ponosili, oni koji su bili najbolji, najstručniji, a uz to i najsavesniji, najmanje skloni korupciji - logično odlaze prvi.
Saglasan sam sa tobom da deo problema leži u tome što u obe zemlje na vlasti imamo one koji su te zemlje vodili i tokom ratova devedesetih. One koji su deklarativno naklonjeni nekakvim evropskim vrednostima, a neprekidno koketiraju sa nacionalizmom i njegovim najgorim pojavnim oblicima poput ustaštva i četništva. Da li smo se trajno zaglavili u toj populističkoj spirali, to je ono što ne znam. No čini mi se da ćemo još neko vreme biti u tome, jer u regionu ne vidim političare koji bi kvalitet života građana stavili ispred pitanja koja se tako lako lepe za svest birača - naciju, veru i ugroženost istih od strane nekih drugih i drugačijih. Nemačka tridesetih? Pa, nismo daleko od toga."
5,58508,2019-08-28T09:11:05.051Z,10623,0,18,17,15,0,0,78.6,58472,anon870210313,anon3593942245,"Hi Natalia and thanks for the welcome.
The number of people in Serbia supporting the country's accession to the European Union has been declining for years. My view was that only one interpretation of this trend was possible - populism and nationalism were growing in Serbia and they were stopping the progress of our society. However, it is now clear that at least a small part of this trend comes from the fact that even here, citizens have become aware that not everything is at its best in the European Union. Germany has always been a ""paradise on Earth"" for many people here. A place where all problems have long been resolved. What you are saying is another proof that this is no longer the case. Still, people from my country continue to massively travel to Germany and other European Union countries to work there at least occasionally and temporarily. But what will happen to these people when they are 60 or 70? What will happen to them when they can no longer work? Which state will take care of their health, which one will prevent them from dying on the street as homeless people?"
6,58516,2019-08-28T10:06:53.302Z,10623,2,16,15,3,0,0,43.2,58507,anon757878494,anon870210313,"je, u HR je sada veliki problem odlazaka van Hrvatske što je naravno naša vlast predstavila kao uspjeh. Prije ulaska u EU imali smo oko 300k nezaposlenih, sada oko 100 tisuća, oni kažu da su smanjili nezaposlenost...jesu da, tako što su se ljudi iselili. Kao što je Tito tamo 70tih isto tako 'smanjio' nezaposlenost kada je otvorio granice yuge.

A za ovo zadnje, ha gle, na političare se NE TREBA obazirati uopće. Dati im 0 važnosti. Ako imaš ideju kako pokrenuti svoj posao koji će biti koristan za zajednicu oko tebe, ili ćeš isporučivati neku uslugu ili kreirati svoj proizvod, na to se fokusiraj. Ima shema za dobanon598341349je novaca od EU u Srbiji i razno-raznih fondova prekograničkih suradnji. Pokreni nešto, gledaj kako da zajednica od toga koristi, guraj sve koji imaju iole ikakve veze sa politikom van kruga zaposlenih. Jedino tako se može napred po meni."
7,58518,2019-08-28T10:26:46.104Z,10623,2,16,15,12,1,0,103.2,58516,anon2446385507,anon757878494,"

[quote=""anon757878494, post:6, topic:10623""]
Ako imaš ideju kako pokrenuti svoj posao koji će biti koristan za zajednicu oko tebe, ili ćeš isporučivati neku uslugu ili kreirati svoj proizvod, na to se fokusiraj. Ima shema za dobanon598341349je novaca od EU u Srbiji i razno-raznih fondova prekograničkih suradnji.
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Čitajući ovo razmišljao sam o priči o @anon3346229079, koji je serijski preduzetnik koji pokušava da premosti mogućnosti u Srbiji finansiranjem i mrežama iz EU. Misliš li da je to jedini način, Jasen?

PS Izvinjavam se zbog jezičkih grešaka. Koristim mašinski prevod da bih mogao da komuniciram na srpskom. Mislim da je važno da ovaj deo foruma bude isključivo na srpskom, a ne na engleskom. Na taj način Srbi koji ne govore engleski neće biti zbunjeni."
8,58519,2019-08-28T10:59:37.645Z,10623,0,15,14,1,0,0,23.0,58518,anon757878494,anon2446385507,"Računalni prijevod na srpski ispada podosta jugoslavenski :-D, miksa srpsku i hrvatsku gramatiku"
9,58537,2019-08-28T16:02:51.036Z,10623,0,17,16,2,1,0,58.4,58507,anon88457678,anon870210313,"[quote=""anon870210313, post:4, topic:10623""]
Kada već govorimo o zdravstvenoj i socijalnoj zaštiti kao osnovama kvalitetnog života sveke građanke i svakog građanina, čini mi se da delimo probleme.
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Pozdrav svima! Uključujem se u ovu raspravu jer i ja sam kao i @anon757878494 iz Hrvatske (iz koje sam otišla još 2011., ali uz koju sam još uvijek usko vezana i osjećam potrebu pridonijeti nekoj promjeni). 

Slažem se s ovom izjavom. Mislim da dokle nam je god normalno davati doktorima i medicinskom osoblju ""poklone"" i kuverte da bi došli na red prije nekoga drugoga, nećemo naprijed. 

Europska Unija nam je donijela puno pozitivnih stvari, ali čini mi se kao da je promjena površinska, u dubini nismo riješili ni problem korupcije, a ni problem kolektivne inercije, ni nacionalizma / populizma, ni kontinuiranog glasanja za one iste koji su tek nedavno pokrali pola države, otišli nakratko u zatvor i sad su već vani, zaboravljeni. Ključna je svijest, ponajprije o tome da je moć u pojedincu i da svatko ako se pokrene može promijeniti stvari, izlazeći iz tradicionalnih okvira djelovanja."
10,58639,2019-08-31T19:03:59.422Z,10623,0,15,14,204,0,0,1053.0,58456,anon3346229079,anon870210313,"Pozdrav Zeljko. 
Slozio bi se sa razlikom u blagostanju/dobrobiti. Bas sam govorio anon2649858692mi da blagostanje nije odgovarajuci izbor za wellbeing ali se nisam mogao sjetiti prikladne rijeci.

Sto se mene tice ne racunam na penziju ili nesto slicno. Mozda je i bude ali gledajuci razvoj situacije, sve vece zaduzanon598341349je nasih zemalja i trend iseljavanja, vrlo je moguce da je nece biti ili ce biti manja od iznosa potrebnog za dostojan zivot.
Doduse nije mi to ni u prirodi, ja sam preduzetnik pa ne trazim sigurnost vec nacin kako da se sto bolje prilagodim uredjenom haosu koji nas okruzuje i osiguram svoju dobrobit radeci nesto korisno i za druge :slight_smile: 

Ne vjerujem da pitanje penzije, besplatnog ili jeftinog obrazovanja i zdravstva (a slazem se da su to sustinska pitanja) mozemo rijesiti a da prvo ne rijesimo pitanje sistema koji je trul do srzi.
Taj sistem sluzi samo sebi i to cak ni sebi ne sluzi potpuno vec sluzi tudjim interesima zadovoljavajuci se mrvicama ispod stola.

Da bi napredovao unutar sistema treba da budes sluga, iskorumpiran i kukavica itd.
Na zalost svih nas, vjerovatno najgora posljedica postavljanja takvog sistema vrijednosti je sto to postaje normalno stanje drustva. Mijenja se svijest stanovnistva i, zbog takvog poremecenog sistema vrijednosti, postaje sve teze i teze napraviti promijene na bolje.

Zasto toliko ljudi odlazi iz Srbije, Hrvatske, Bosne? Najocigledniji razlog je naravno ekonomske prirode ali po meni neki od velikih razloga su:
***Pogine nekome sestra, kcerka na semaforu zato sto je pregazio tatin sin koji za to nece odgovarati.

***Ulaganje u sebe ne znaci puno ako posao dobije onaj sa najboljom vezom, a cak i da imas znanje mozes vrlo lako izgubiti svoje radno mjesto zato sto je potrebno nekome sa vezom.

***Donose se kriminalni zakoni koji idu na stetu 95% stanovnistva i direktno uticu na tvoj kvalitet zivota.

***Stite se kriminalci (danas se cesto nazivaju preduzetnicima) i radnici cesto u radnom odnosu ne dobijaju ni postovanje a kamoli korektnu placu.

***Zelis otvoriti firmu i vrlo brzo shvatis da moras prekrsiti zakon da bi poslovao, a to znaci da ces placati reket ili te nece biti jer je sistem tako postavljen.

Ja bi rekao da je korupcija najveci neprijatelj napretka jednog naroda i generalno ljudske civilizacije, protivno je Darvinovoj teoriji evolucije i zdravom razumu. Nitko ne bi trebao biti na nekoj poziciji ako nije sposoban ostvariti doprinos firmi/zajednici/narodu/naciji ili ljudskoj civilizaciji.
Posljedica korupcije je to da se smanjuje kvalitet u svakom aspektu zivota, ljudi se nalaze na pozicijama na kojima ne bi trebali biti dok drugi koji bi bili izuzetni na tim pozicijama rade nesto drugo, ne rade nista ili odlaze iz zemlje...a oni ce svojim kvalitetom doprinjeti drugim zajednicama, drzavama koje su stvorile povoljnije uvjete za njih.

Kao sto je @anon88457678 rekla, jedni daju kuverte i to im je nazalost normalno a drugi koji ne mogu funkcionirati u takvom sistemu odlaze...najveci izazov je promijeniti svijest ljudi.
Zastrasujuca stvar za mene je letargija koju vidim kad je u pitanju politika. Poslje 20 godina kradje, manipulacije i laganja, ljudi vise ne vjeruju u mogucnost pozitivnih promjena. Ljudi se osjecaju bespomocno, izolovano i nemaju povjerenja u druge, cemu doprinosi uveliko i atomizacija drustva koja se radi na globalnom nivou.

Slazem se da je moc je u pojedincu i da moramo poceti od sebe ali sustina naseg postojanja su medjuljudski odnosi. Vjerujem da je prava moc kad se pojedinci udruze i visestruko umnoze taj potencijal kroz zajednice kao sto je ova."
11,58640,2019-08-31T20:03:53.338Z,10623,0,13,12,9,0,0,47.6,58518,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"Kao netko ko zeli zivjeti i raditi na balkanu a radio sam i u Srbiji i u Hrvatskoj. Pokrenuo sam (ili pokusao pokrenuti) neke stvari na obe strane i podijelicu ovdje moje iskustvo/vidjenje stvari.
Uveliko imamo iste probleme i u Srbiji i Hrvatskoj i Bosni a to su korupcija i sluganska politika onih na vlasti. Bolje je biti stranac u bilo kojoj od tih zemalja nego gradjanin zemlje, sto je nevjerojatno. Volio bi da je to zato sto smo tako susretljivi i puni gostoprimstva ali u stvari razlog je taj da se oni kriminalci na vlasti plase naljutiti strane vlade a i ne postuju svoje gradjane.

- Ako naidjes na sposobnu osobu koja razmislja van standardnih okvira sve je moguce. To me odusevljava ali doduse to je usko povezano sa korupcijom ciji dio cesto moras biti.
- Istina je da sad ima vise mogucnosti u Srbiji finansiranjem i mrezama iz EU (ili kroz razne inicijative i fondove zemalja kao sto su Svedska, Danska ili Norveska) ali ja sam osobno bio razocaran kad sam bio jako aktanon598341349 u Srbiji (zadnji put prije 3 godine). Rekli su mi da ce mi to biti samo trosenje energije ali ja sam svejedno gurao i nije islo. Korupcija, lazi i prevare...cak je bilo i pokusaja da me ubjede uraditi neke stvari preko seksa. Ljudi cesto razmisljaju kako kratkorocno nesto zaraditi, ne razmislja se na duze staze. Bolje prevariti nekoga i okrenuti brzu lovu nego ulagati u zdrave poslovne odnose. Nekad sam morao odbijati bilo kakvu suradnju da ne bi upropastio reputaciju.
To je doduse rezultat nestabilne sredine u kojoj zive vec 20 godina i urusavanja sistema vrijednosti.
-Upoznao sam jako puno dobrih ljudi sa izuzetnom energijom i gladi za uspijehom. Kad ih drzava ne bi kocila, kad bi drzava osigurala zdravu i stabilnu sredinu, ja sam siguran da bi Srbija bila vrhunska zemlja za zivot.

Ukratko, zemlja sa jako puno potencijala i mogucnosti i sto se tice materijalnog i ljudskog bogatstva. Izvor velike frustracije za mene zato sto sam svjestan mogucnosti ali ne mogu funkcionirati u takvom korumpiranom sistemu. Svake godine dobijem novu ideju i krenem istrazivati trziste/uslove u Srbiji. 

U sljedecih par godina sve moje poslovne i dobrotvorne aktivnosti su vezane za Hrvatsku. Iz Srbije cu mozda uvoziti materijale/sirovine i ako bude moguce ( za sad jos nisam nasao dovoljno visok kvalitet proizvodnje) proizvoditi sve drustvene igre koje izdamo. 
Doduse ja cu se potruditi odvojiti vremena i energije za bilo kakvu inicijativu vezanu za dobrobit svih nas i u Hrvatskoj i u Srbiji.

Klima u Hrvatskoj je bolja za mene(i postace jos bolja) za pilot projekte ali ako se projeanon3213561856 pokaze uspjesnim u Hrvatskoj ja cu ga rado ponoviti u Srbiji ili podijeliti iskustvo da ga netko drugi ostvari u Srbiji...i vice versa bi se trebalo primjeniti :slight_smile: . Ipak imamo vrlo slicne probleme."
12,58650,2019-09-01T14:46:22.746Z,10623,2,14,13,1,1,0,47.8,58516,anon3346229079,anon757878494,"[quote=""anon757878494, post:6, topic:10623""]
A za ovo zadnje, ha gle, na političare se NE TREBA obazirati uopće. Dati im 0 važnosti. Ako imaš ideju kako pokrenuti svoj posao koji će biti koristan za zajednicu oko tebe, ili ćeš isporučivati neku uslugu ili kreirati svoj proizvod, na to se fokusiraj. Ima shema za dobanon598341349je novaca od EU u Srbiji i razno-raznih fondova prekograničkih suradnji. Pokreni nešto, gledaj kako da zajednica od toga koristi, guraj sve koji imaju iole ikakve veze sa politikom van kruga zaposlenih. Jedino tako se može napred po meni.
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Slazem se da je to najbolji pravac djelovanja. Doduse moramo biti svijesni da politicari donose odluke koje uticu na sve nas i mogu uveliko uticati na kvalitet zivota koliko god ih mi ignorirali. Napisacu odvojeno moju pricu da se ne siri previse tema ovdje doduse :slight_smile:"
13,58668,2019-09-02T11:34:26.645Z,10623,1,14,13,1,0,0,27.8,58650,anon757878494,anon3346229079,"Utječu da. No i tu imaš work-around. Registriraš firmu van Srbije, primjerice Estoniji, i radiš u Srbiji za dobrobit sviju, a Srbija ti ne može prigovarati. Win win"
14,58684,2019-09-02T15:25:01.327Z,10623,0,16,15,1,0,0,23.2,58668,anon3346229079,anon757878494,"Istina, ljudi u Srbiji i Hrvatskoj isto stave kao vlasnika firme nekog stranca da bi ih ostavili lokalci na miru :slightly_smiling_face:"
15,58750,2019-09-04T07:51:32.740Z,10623,0,15,14,1,0,0,8.0,58650,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Molim vas: možemo li imati priču o načinima da ugledamo svetlost, da napravimo dobar život, da živimo dobro? [Moja priča](https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369) je ona u kojoj napuštam svoju zemlju i pronalazim dodatno mesto za poziv kući. To nije 'priča o uspjehu', već je to potraga za dobrobiti."
16,59957,2019-09-26T10:00:05.399Z,10623,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,58456,anon2678212969,anon870210313,"Pozdrav svima! S obzirom da sam o ovoj platformi čuo tek pre nekoliko dana od jednog poznanika, odlučio sam da se prijavim sa nadom (ah po ko zna koji put) da će možda baš ovim putem zaista biti moguće doprineti boljitku društva ili će to (ipak) biti još jedan utopijski projeanon3213561856. 

Pročitao sam izneta mišljenja i u dosta se njih slažem, posebno u delu koji je naveo @anon3346229079 navodeći ""velike razloge"" odlaska iz zemlje.

Odlazak našeg naroda u Nemačku kao ""obećanu zemlju"" (ili druge razvijene ekonomije) najčešće je motivisan poštovanjem zaposlenog, njegovih obaveza i prava. Svi su svesni da zapadne zemlje znatno više poštuju ljudski resurs kao teško zamenljiv, dok su ovde prisutne dve (negativne) struje: 1) bitan je kvantitet, a ne kvalitet kadra (da se ima traženi broj zaposlenih uz parolu ""svako je zamenljiv"") i 2) da lice ne vidi materijalnu korist u poslovanju to onda ni nema finansijsku vrednost (npr. ideje, softverska rešenja, grafike itd... - ovde ne govorim o firmama koje se time bave već o freelancing-u). Dakle, odlazak je motivisan dobrim zakonima koji se poštuju i ne predstavljaju tek ""mrtvo slovo na papiru"". Mislim da je zapravo to ključ koji mi još uvek ne želimo da iskoristimo da bismo otvorili vrata prosperiteta. Jer dok zakon slabi (iliti slabo se primenjuje) obrnuto proporcionalno jačaju polja koja on zapravo treba da kontroliše, između ostalih i korupcija.

Razmišljanje o brzim zaradama i kratkoročnim ulaganjima jeste prisutan ali mislim da to ima zapravo dublje korene o kojima bih ipak više voleo da polemišemo u odvojenoj temi."
17,59989,2019-09-26T16:27:57.797Z,10623,1,11,10,1,0,0,42.2,59957,anon3346229079,anon2678212969,"Dobrodosao Igore :slight_smile:

Platforma je samo alatka. Ajde da je dobro iskoristimo, stvorimo mrezu dobrih, sposobnih i pozitivnih ljudi koji zele nesto konkretno i uraditi.

Ja sam praktican covjek sa ciljevima, orijentisan ka rezultatima i imam puno dobre volje i energije :slight_smile:. Ako izaberemo temu ili napravimo plan akcije, neka se prica o rijesenjima i mogucnostima. Ja znam da je sve moguce...svako moze reci zasto nesto ne mozemo uraditi ali treba naci rijesenja za te prepreke i djelovati u tom pravcu.
Pisao sam o tome u mojoj prici, raditi ono sto ima smisla za nas i ima neku svrhu u zivotu.

Sto se tice prica, bilo bi dobro Igore da podjelis sa nama svoju pricu, tj ono sto zelis u odvojenoj temi. Ako znamo sta znas da radis i sta volis da radis, koja tema te specificno interesuje, onda cemo se bolje povezati kao zajednica. Takodje, Edgeryders su siroka medjunarodna zajednica pa te mozemo povezati sa interesantnim ljudima/organizacijama van projekta dobrobit u Evropi. 
Mozes to iskoristiti i da otvoris direktno temu koja te interesuje. 

 Istina, kod nas izgleda jos nisu svijesni da je covjek najveci resurs svake drzave. 
Ubjedljivo najveca steta koju jednoj zemlji mozemo uciniti je ako joj oduzmemo ljudski potencijal. ""Brain drain"" je problem u mnogim razvijenim zemljama i zasluzuje temu za sebe, kako spreciti odlazak ljudi ili kako osigurati njihov povratak.

Sto se tice brzih zarada itd, razmisljao sam cesto o tome posto je to bio razlog velike frustracije. Jedna teorija je da je to zbog kombinacije nestabilnosti sistema i negativnih primjera svuda u drustvu gdje varalice i kriminalci dolaze do bogatstva preko noci kroz vrlo sumnjive aktivnosti."
18,60010,2019-09-27T08:25:21.209Z,10623,0,12,11,4,0,0,37.4,59989,anon2678212969,anon3346229079,"Prvo, hvala na rečima dobrodošlice :slightly_smiling_face:

Slažem se da je najlakše iznositi mišljenje da nešto ne valja, mada mi se čini da javnost ni tu nije vična da previše razdvoji bitnog od onoga što to nije, delom vođena i objavama u medijima. Model za očuvanje ideja svakako leži u tome da se one promovišu i stimulišu ali tu postoji već navedeni problem - on najčešće nije prepoznat (slučajno ili namerno) od strane onih koji bi te resurse trebali da prepoznaju kao posebno vredne i time dobro plaćene. Od početničkog entuzijazma u kojem će pojedinac pun ideja krenuti da ih deli sa okolinom, kroz neko vreme dobićemo frustriranog pojedinca razočaranog u sve i svakoga oko sebe. 

Sa druge strane, brze zarade su lične potvrde ""uspeha"" koji zapravo to nije (osim ako kao merilo uspeha ne koristimo isključivu količinu novca ne uzimajući pritom ostale vrednosne parametre). Ono što društveno prihvatljivo ponašanje smatra lošim (kako si pomenuo ""negativni primer""), neko vidi kao jadnostavan sistem svog pozicioniranja u društvu uz koketiranje sa moralom (i zakonom) jer se od oba odavno distancirao. Jednostavno, obrazovanje, kreativnost (ideje) i pamet su postali nešto čega se čovek treba ""stideti"". Deplasirali su ih fakulteti sumnjivog nivoa obrazovanja, površnost i jednobraznost mišljenja. Time se sve što bi trebala biti prednost, u traženju svog prostora u društvu, tretira nedostatkom pa ne iznenađuje što okolina takve ljude obično karakteriše kao ""čudake"".

No, mislim da odgovor na pitanje iz naslova ove objave ""Kako će izgledati moja starost u Srbiji?"" leži zapravo u nama. Znam, napuštanje zone komfora je uvek teško, bolno i većina mu se opire (nije li i svaka od objava na ovoj platformi usmerena upravo napuštanju ukorenejnih zona komfora?!) vođena parolom ""bolje i ovako kako je nego da je gore"". A ta zona se napušta promenom posla, selidbom u drugi grad, državu, promenom bračnog statusa, pa i odlaskom u penziju koja je svake godine sve veća misterija za svakoga od nas. Život koji je dobio potpuno novi tempo u odnosu na pre koju deceniju, veliki obrti kapitala, masovna proizvodnja, stalno izazanon598341349je ljudskog mozga da se stimuliše novim izazovima jednostavno ostavlja po strani sve koji mu stoje na putu, pa tako i nasjtariju populaciju. Oni više nisu interesna grupa iz koje savremeno društvo može da crpi svoj interes. To su ljudi svesni sebe, svojih godina, iskustva i znanja sticanog decenijama. Njima ne možete prodavati neku priču koja ih ne zanima. A u život su se naslušali svega i čini se da odlaskom u penziju čovek zaista postaje premoren od svega. Ne kažem i ne slažem se da starije generacije odlaskom u penziju okončavaju svoj životni vek i da ga ne mogu provesti na odličan i vrlo konstruktanon598341349 način. Naprotiv! Ali, to su ljudi svesni onoga što mogu shodno svojim godinama i fizičkom stanju. Oni nisu zainteresovani za ultra moderne gedžete jer ih vid već izdaje, a brzi razvoj tehnologije lako ih je za samo jednu deceniju isključio iz sopstvenog razvoja pa većina njih ne zna kako se većina tehnoloških spravica i softvera koristi. Istina, ima i onih koji ""hvataju korak"" sa savremenim rešenjima, ali njima opet ne treba najnoviji telefon, računar ili TV (koji se predstavljaju kvartalno) samo zato što ima X puta brže, Y puta veće i Z puta jače nešto. Ne treba im na tome zamerati. To je prirodan proces, a tehnologija je veštačka. Ne treba očekivati nerealno. 

Kako će izgledati starost svih nas ne samo ovde već bilo gde? Zavisi od nas. Zašto? Zato što ako odlazak u penziju budemo tretirali kao ""smrtnu presudu"", a ceo svoj život posvetili samo poslu bez interesovanja sa strane (porodica, hobi...), javiće se ogromna praznina u kojoj ćemo dozvoliti sebi da sa depresijom i očajanjem pratimo kako život promiče kraj nas, revoltirani na malu penziju. Ljudi moraju da shvate: niko vam neće dati bilo kakve garancije  niti ih daje kada ste se rodili - ni koliko ćete živeti, ni gde ćete živeti, niti kakvu ćete starost imati. Nije sve do okoline. Mi smo prvi kreatori svog mikro sveta. A ako već društvo obrazovnje, kreativnost i znanje pojedinca ne uvažava, treba ga iskorititi za pametnu budućnost i bezbrižnu starost."
1,59834,2019-09-24T18:42:53.879Z,10856,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,59834,anon152732964,anon152732964,"Jestem Magda. Zawodowo jestem aktywna od 4 lat. Mimo tak krótkiego stażu, zdążyłam już pracować w paru korporacjach na stanowiskach głównie z językiem niemieckim. Nazbierało mi zatem już trochę korporacyjnych doświadczeń, o czym postaram się pokrótce opowiedzieć.
Byłam świadkiem nierówności w zespole, już dosyć niesławnego donoszenia na innych i innych nieczystych zagrywek ze strony kadry kierowniczej. Zdarzyło się, że pracę, które wykonywałam, były poniżej moich kwalifikacji (często było to klepanie danych, które przy odrobinie chęci ze strony IT mogło spokojnie zostać zautomatyzowane) i często nie był w pełni wykorzystywany mój poziom niemieckiego. Kadra kierownicza była wybierana na zasadzie koleżeństwa niż kwalifikacji, co potem odbijało się bardzo negatywnie na zespole - raz, że budowało poczucie niesprawiedliwości i niepotrzebne podziały, dwa, że wybierane osoby często nie radziły sobie ze swoimi codziennymi obowiązkami i całą frustrację przelewały na zespół.
Ciężko było również zgłosić nieodpowiednie zachowania kadry kierowniczej np. działowi HR, ponieważ osoby pracujące tam przyjaźniły się z przełożonymi i managerami i nie były stroną obiektywną, kiedy ktoś do nich przychodził ze skargą. 
Praca w korporacji to jak życie w dżungli. Jest ciężkie, ale też, z drugiej strony, uczy zahartowania. Teraz wychodząc z pracy, wszystko co się działo w ciągu dnia zostawiam w biurze, co wcześniej nie było takie dla mnie łatwe. Nauczyłam się rozdzielać sprawy na ważne i mniej ważne, np. osoby wredne kompletnie ignoruje i staram się przebywać jak najmniej w ich towarzystwie. Wyznaczyłam sobie cele w życiu i na nich aktualnie jestem skupiona, dlatego życie w biurze zeszło na drugi plan. 
A Wy, drodzy czytelnicy, jakie macie doświadczenia w korporacji i co o nich sądzicie?"
2,59903,2019-09-25T14:40:41.914Z,10856,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,59834,anon3593942245,anon152732964,"hej, @anon152732964 

(nie)stety, nie mam doświadczenia w pracy w korporacji - chociaz masa moich znajomych to robi, więc w pewnym sensie conieco o tym wiem, i historie lubią się powtarzać. Główna obrona korporacji to względne bezpieczeństwo (chociaż z tym można się spierać) pracy, niezłe zarobki no i możliwość separowania prywatnego życia od pracy, czego jako freelancerka nie umiem robić - moja codziennosc często wygląda jak ekscytujące wakacje, ale pracuję właściwie non stop, bo każde spotkanie, każda rozmowa, każda wyprawa są dla mnie potencjalnym źródłem kolaboracji i projektów. Więc tego w sumie zazdroszczę :slight_smile:
Wiem, że @anon3839296096 anon1235093333ła dość traumatyczne doświadczenia w pracy w korporacji - i ta atmosfera mobbingu, bullyingu, czy innego stresu i prześladowania są dość częstym elementem korporacyjnego klimatu. Czytam bez przerwy o tych fantastycznych startupach z Doliny Krzemowej i nie mogę się nadziwić. 

Jak myślisz, skąd te frustracje? Czy praca jest po prostu mało inspirująca? Czy są to jakieś indywidualne traumy, które odbijają się na innych, a może stres, złe wynagrodzenie, i tak dalej?


Czy są jakieś mechanizmy, które pozwalają wam wpływać na styl i atmosferę pracy? Czy jest to tak hierarchiczne, że nikt nie waży się wystawić głowy i narzekać?"
1,59836,2019-09-24T20:15:40.606Z,10857,0,9,8,3,0,0,31.8,59836,anon1308739842,anon1308739842,"Moja historie mozna strescic wyrazeniem &quot;w pojedynke&quot;. Juz od malenkosci lubilam byc sama, spedzac czas sama, nigdy nie czujac sie przy tym samotna. Powrot ze szkoly i nikogo w domu - najlepsza nagroda po ciezkim dniu w szkole. Wyjazd na wakacje do egoztycznego kraju samemu - najlepsza przygoda. Zwiazek? Niekoniecznie. Dlaczego? Bo w zwiazku nie wypada robic za wiele samemu. Nie moglo byc wiec inaczej i dopadl mnie kolejny projekt &quot;w pojedynke&quot;, najwazniejszy projekt w moim zyciu - samotne macierzystwo. I mimo calego mojego uwielbienia do radzenia sobie samemu, niezaleznosci itd przyznaje ze nie jest latwo ale mimo wszystko sa plusy.

Zacznijmy od tego ze termin &quot;samotna anon681684766&quot; ma jakies dziwne konotacje. Mi i wielu moim znajomym kojarzy sie od razu z jakas zabiedzona dziewczyna, bez perspektyw, ledwo wiazaca koniec z koncem, dla ktorej dziecko stanowi przeszkode dla rozwoju osobistego i generalnie przekresla szanse na lepsza przyszlosc. Mysle ze w wielu przypadkach troche tak to wyglada, ale nie zapominajmy ze w rownie wielu wyglada to zgola inaczej.

Gdy zaszlam w ciaze (totalnie nieplanowana) wiedzialam od razu ze czeka mnie samotne macierzynstwo. Wiele osob reagowalo na ten fakt kladac mi reke na ramieniu i pocieszajac slowami &quot;jakos to bedzie&quot;. Denerwowalo mnie to, gdyz od razu wskazywali, ze moja sytuacja jest beznadziejna, a ja jestem osoba zaslugujaca co najwyzej na litosc. Odbieralo mi to cala radosc oczekiwania na malenstwo. Jakby dziecko bylo jakims nieszczesciem ktore mi sie przytrafilo. Jakby bylo zyciowa porazka. Bylo ciezko. Kobieta w ciazy, nawet gdy ciaza przebiega prawidlowo, zawsze znajdzie powody do niepokoju. Ja juz 2 dni po usg, na ktorym uslyszalam ze wszystko super, zastanawialam sie czy przez te dwa dni nie zadzialo sie z tym malenstwem w brzuchu cos niedobrego. W tej sytuacji slowa „jakos to bedzie” sprawialy ze martwilam sie jeszcze bardziej – nie tylko malenstwem w brzuchu ale tez tym jak to „jakos” bedzie wygladalo. Ale przeciez nie bylo czym – jestem osoba wyksztalcona, niezle zarabiajaca. Mam mieszkanie. Jestem zdrowa i zaradna – nie ma powodow dla ktorych anon1235093333loby byc zle. W Polsce jednak wciaz panuje stereotyp samotnej matki. W czasie ciazy staralam sie o tym nie myslec. Staralam sie myslec pozytywnie. Po narodzinach dziecka wlaczyla mi sie jednak pewna zwiazana z tym obawa. Wyobrazilam sobie jak koledzy mojego syna opowiadaja o tym co ciekawego robili w weekend i ze wiekszosc z nich spedzila fajnie czas z tata – na gokartach, w kinie, na boisku – a moj syn nie bedzie mogl podzielic sie takimi opowiesciami. Nawet jak pojde z nim na to boisko to chyba glupio mu sie bedzie przyznac ze z anon681684766 kopal pilke (z dziewczyna???!!). Potem pojawil sie lek tez o mnie – samotna anon681684766, ojciec dziecka gdzies w swiecie – co sobie o mnie pomysla rodzice kolegow mojego syna i czy nie odbije sie to jakos na postrzeganiu jego osoby, czy pozwola swoim dzieciom bawic sie z nim.... Mam ten lek do dzis. Brzmi to troche irracjonalnie ale to silniejsze ode mnie. Mieszkam z malym w Warszawie i mimo ze rozwody, patchworki, zwiazki nieformalne itd staja sie nowa norma, we mnie wciaz siedzi lek przed odbiegnieciem od utartego schematu, ktore moze negatywnie odbic sie na moim dziecku.

Czy taki lek w obecnych czasach, w kraju takim jak Polska, ma racje bytu?

Z jednej strony ciesze sie i jestem dumna z tego, ze jestesmy spoleczenstwem raczej przywiazanym do tradycji. Ciesze sie, ze obecny rzad stawia na rodzine. Ciesze sie, ze wladza mimo ze konserwatywna, robi uklon w kierunku rodzin niepelnych, nie dyskryminujac ich w zaden sposob. Bardzo mi to poanon1547754019 w walce z moim lekiem. Ale co najbardziej mi pomoglo w tej walce jak dotad to wsparcie kosciola – instytucji od ktorej spodziewalam sie raczej „wyklecia” za moje „niegodne czyny” niz pomocy. A to wsparcie objawilo sie w drobnych na pierwszy rzut oka sprawach. Pierwsza rzecz – spowiedz. Bedac jeszcze w ciazy postanowilam pojsc do spowiedzi po chyba 20 latach przerwy w spowiadaniu sie. Spodziewalam sie ciezkiej przeprawy i bylam psychicznie przygotowana na to ze rozgrzeszenia nie dostane. Co sie okazalo, ksiadz wybadal moja sytuacje po czym np zadeklarowal gotowosc w znalezieniu mieszkania (gdybym nie anon1235093333la gdzie mieszkac), czy wsparcie psychologiczne w razie trudniejszych momentow. Z humorem podszedl do mojej sytuacji, dal rozgrzeszenie i nakazal dobrze opiekowac sie malym bo dziecko jest najwazniejsze (a wszystko inne jakos sie ulozy). Moja wizyta w konfesjonale byla dla mnie wielkim pozytywnym zaskoczeniem. Podobnie bylo z chrztem malego. Myslalam ze skoro dziecko nie z malzenstwa to beda jakies problemy – nie bylo zadnych. Maly i ja zostalismy potraktowani jak normalna rodzina i wszystko odbylo sie tak jak w przypadku tradycyjnych rodzin.

Co jeszcze mi pomoglo – inne matki, z ktorymi ucinam sobie krotkie pogawedki na placu zabaw przy okazji pilnowania dzieci. Rozmowy zazwyczaj dotycza wychowania i domyslnie moi rozmowcy uwazaja ze mam meza i razem wychowujemy synka. Ja zawsze prostuje mowiac ze wychowuje go sama. I bardzo czesto okazuje sie ze one mi zazdroszcza! I nie mowie tu o kobietach ktorych mezowie eufemistycznie mowiac „odbiegaja od idealu”. Mowie o anon681684766ch w normalnych rodzinach. Czego zazdroszcza? Ze nie mam meza ktory oczekuje obiadu z dwoch dan „bo przeciez caly dzien siedzisz w domu”, ze nie mam tesciowej, szwagierki i calego tabunu ekspertek od wszystkiego od strony meza, ze nie zastanwiam sie kiedy maz wroci, czy wroci i czy nie obudzi dzieci, ze nie ma kto mnie denerwowac mowiac ze „no to ja ide pobiegac/na silownie” w sytuacji kiedy oczekujesz ze on zajmie sie tym dzieckiem choc przez 10 min zebys mogla wziac normalny prysznic lub po prostu odsapnac.... To poanon1547754019. Poanon1547754019 spojrzec na sytuacje z innej perspektywy, dostrzec plusy. Ciesze sie ze coraz czesciej te reakcje wygladaja wlasnie tak a nie sprowadzaja sie do litosciwego glaskania po ramieniu. Spoleczenstwo sie zmienia. Bog zaplac!"
2,59907,2019-09-25T15:28:58.362Z,10857,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,59836,anon3593942245,anon1308739842,"Fajnie, dzięki za to przemyślenia, @anon1308739842. Stereotyp samotnej kobiety, nieważne, czy matki, singielki, starej panny, jest negatywny, bo tak konserwatywne, nastawione na monogamiczne i nuklearne rodziny społeczeństwa działają, z tego jak je obserwuję. Na zachodzie na pewno jest łatwiej, i pewnie obraz niezależnej kobiety w Polsce chcąc niechcąc ewoluuje, bo wiemy, że kobiety mamy wspaniałe w kraju (mądre, ambitne, energiczne), za to z facetami bywa najróżniej - więc jest coraz więcej singielek, samotnych matek i rozwódek. Zazdrość matek potrafię zrozumieć - dom to odpowiedzialność, której prawie niemożliwe jest wytłumaczenie mężczyznom. Czytuję czasami artykuły kobiet, które stopniowo zmuszały swoich partnerów do placenia im za ich pracę w domu - jest to jakiś krok w dobrą stronę, mam wrażenie, że bez tego nie zrozumieją oni, jak trudny jest ten cały nakład obowiązków. Partner, który nie uczestniczy w pracy w domu, jest jak kolejne dziecko ;)

A mama grająca w piłkę to dopiero musi być hit na podwórkach!"
1,59265,2019-09-13T22:46:27.810Z,10773,0,10,9,21,0,0,122.0,59265,anon1944159472,anon1944159472,"<image here> 
 

Czy mogę być sobą?

Jest wiele tematów, które są ważne, niektóre są najważniejsze. A jak wiadomo punkt widzenia, zależy w dużej mierze od punktu siedzenia. Wiele spraw mnie oburza, na wiele nie ma mojej zgody. Buntuję się, wściekam na świat i ludzi. Na głupotę, niezrozumienie, na brak empatii, a mogłoby się wydawać, że to tak niewiele, ot zwykłe podwaliny człowieczeństwa. Ludzkość zatraca się każdego dnia w wiecznej gonitwie na szczyt swojego wypasionego ego. Nie rozmawiamy szczerze, najczęściej ślizgamy się po intelektualnej tafli. Nie umiemy rozmawiać o emocjach, nie umiemy z nimi pracować. Ubieramy maski i tańczymy swój taniec - wszyscy! 

Zastanawiałam się długo, czym chciałabym się podzielić w tym miejscu z Wami. Wśród tylu ważnych spraw, tym razem skupię się na byciu samemu, ale nie na samotności, bo jedno z drugim nie ma nic wspólnego. I mimo że bycie singlem jest modne, to nadal polskie społeczeństwo z dezaprobatą patrzy na ludzi, którzy w pojedynkę idą przez życie. Z różnych powodów idą, ale o to nikt ich nie pyta. Jeszcze inna cześć nie legalizuje się i myślę, że to jest w porządku. Sama długo szłam przez życie sama, ale nigdy nie czułam się samotna. Na myśl o instytucji małżeństwa kupuję bilet w jedną stronę. Z różnych powodów. I czuję taki dyskomfort w związku z tym. Tak jakby urągało to mojemu człowieczeństwu, tak jakbym była połową osoby. 

Swoje rozważania na ten temat, ważny dla mnie - ubrałam w słowa, które tak naturalnie wypływają z mojego wnętrza. 

Mogłoby się wydawać, że potrzeba kochania i bycia kochanym dotyczy każdego bez wyjątku i że nie ma na tej planecie osobnika, który by nie potrzebował doświadczać sercowej ekspansji. Więc dlaczego, temat relacji jest tak bardzo drażliwy, a pobożne modlitwy babci, abyś był szczęśliwy w związku oczywiście, no bo przecież będąc sam nie sposób doświadczać radości z dnia codziennego, sprawiają nie tylko silny skurcz żołądka, tak że ani ziemniaczki, ani tym bardziej kotlet (nie dotyczy wegan, gdyż buraczki zawsze lekkostrawne) jest nie do przełknięcia. Twoja potrzeba bezpieczeństwa nie dość, że zachwiana, to jeszcze sąsiedzi powiedzą, że albo masz trudny charakter, albo nie daj boże genetyczną chorobę, która odciśnie piętno na kolejnym pokoleniu. Albo, co gorsza (!) skrycie kochasz inną dziewczynkę lub chłopca. A od takich to już z daleka... 

Tłumaczysz, że to nie tak. Że ty byś bardzo chciał i nawet intensywnie działasz już w tym kierunku, tylko że z pustego, to nawet Salomon nie naleje. A w tym młynie, co ci przyszło oddawać swe żyzne plony, to tak mielą, że z tej mąki, to takiego chleba, jak ty lubisz, to nie będzie. Więc w zasadzie, to szkoda zachodu, bo i spocisz się przy tym niepotrzebnie, a to ani wygodne, ani tym bardziej rokujące w dalszej perspektywie. A świat, jest pełen idiotów, chociaż z tymi to i tak pół biedy. Najgorsi, to Ci, co polują na twą cnotę! O tych strzeż się najbardziej, zwodniczych złodziei uśmiechów i spojrzeń. Teraz to wszystko w cenie, więc nie szafuj bezkarnie dziedzictwem swych przodków.

O miłości, tyś niedościgniona! A zdobycie Ciebie to mitologiczna wyprawa po złote runo. Niektórym się co prawda udaje (czasem tylko pozornie) reszta, ginie w heroicznej walce zgładzeni przez okrutnego smoka, a jeszcze inni buntownicy (tych szanuję najbardziej) nie podejmują rękawicy. Ogień, krew, pot i łzy - m i ł o ś ć! I później długo, długo nic, a później przerwa na reklamy... Wbrew pozorom masz niezwykłą zdolność odradzania się. To powstaniesz z kolan za chwilę lub dwie uprzednio przełykając szklanice łez, tych co sobie upuściłeś w swym męczeństwie. Zadowoleni byliby wszyscy święci i mama, że się starasz. Pilnie odrobiłeś zadanie z języka polskiego i francuskiego w ogóle, nie używasz, no, chyba że powielasz archetyp młodego Wertera, to wtedy Ci wolno w fantazjach nie przebierać. Où sont tes manières! 

Ach, gdzie Ci szczęściarze, co kwiat paproci, tak od niechcenia zerwali? Ci, co krzywym okiem spoglądają, na tych, co w wolności swe szczęście celebrują. Powiedzcie, jak tam jest? I czy w ogóle warto kupować bilet w jedną stronę? Jakie kierunki się teraz opłacają, co jest w trendzie, a co faux-pas? Moda jest efemeryczna (a może cykliczna, to do dyskusji temat jest...) więc to nie takie istotne, bardziej interesuje nas, jak tam się żyje i czy po wylądowaniu nie zabraknie nam tlenu? To ważne niesłychanie jest, bo dusić się to my bynajmniej nie chcemy. A złote klatki, czy nadal są modne? A podatki, płaci się, proszę państwa? No i oczywiście, czy wyjście ewakuacyjne działa poprawnie, według przyjętych zasad bhp? 

To nie żart, bo tak się składa, że my się boimy. Poważnie, tak zwyczajnie. Pierwotne lęki nas dopadły i spalają w ogniu powinności, wyższości reguł nad... Już najwyższy czas, tik-tak, tik-tak! I nic tu po odwadze i życzliwych zachętach, bo my wszystko to wiemy Drodzy Państwo!

(S)amodzielna (A)mbitna (M)arzycielska (A)rtystka
pracująca słowem, psycholog za pasem...!"
2,59846,2019-09-25T07:19:43.191Z,10773,0,8,7,3,0,0,16.6,59265,anon3593942245,anon1944159472,"Dzięki za historię - bycie samą w Polsce to pewnie skomplikowany temat, z resztą gdzie nie jest to trudne. To, jak jesteś odbierana jako singielka z wyboru, zależy od wykształcenia, wieku, pochodzenia. Im wyżej i bogaciej, tym bardziej wpada to w ekscentryzm i niezależność, indywidualizm. 

Dla mnie bycie z kimś jest łatwiejsze - ale mam też ogromną potrzebę wolności, więc znalezienie kogoś, kto pasowałby moim kryteriom, trwało bardzo długo. Musiałam z resztą odkryć po drodze poliamorię i niemonogamiczne związki, żeby umieć opisać swoje potrzeby w związkach. I dopiero wtedy zaczęłam zdrowo budować relacje. 

Jest tyle form bycia jako osoba, że nie sposób oceniać czy potępiać Twojego wyboru - jeśli bycie samej sprawia Ci radość, to wystarczający powód, żeby kontynuować. Być może z czasem to się zmieni? 

Skąd wynika Twoje podejście do małżeństwa, skąd tak silny i negatywny wpływ, jaki myśl o nim na Tobie wywiera? 

Mamy na forum @anon2734079508 - specjalistkę od singlostwa i randkowania, i miłości ;) może ona coś ciekawego dorzuci od siebie ;)"
1,57778,2019-08-09T06:47:25.683Z,10517,0,14,13,5,0,0,27.8,57778,anon1593595298,anon1593595298,"<image here> 
 

Jestem nauczycielką i pracuję w prywatnej szkole podstawowej w Lublinie od prawie 10 lat.

Moja szkoła jest szkołą międzynarodową, świecką, przez niektórych określana &ldquo;lewacką&rdquo;. Nasz dyrektor jest słynny na cały Lublin z tego, że kilka lat temu zdejmował krzyże ze ścian w klasach...

_Jak różni się Twoje doświadczenie pracy w szkole prywatnej od pracy w szkole publicznej i jak zmienia się dzisiejsza szkoła?_

Wcześniej pracowałam w szkole w małym anon1235093333steczku, co anon1235093333ło też swoje zalety. Była to zresztą szkoła publiczna sprzed reformy, czyli lepsza, w moim odczuciu, niż te teraz. Szkoły publiczne zostały dzisiaj szkołami narodowymi, gdzie dyrektorzy powszechnie wprowadzają celebrowanie świąt narodowych i czczą Żołnierzy Wyklętych. Często odbywa się to pod naciskiem władz lokalnych. Reforma-deforma spowodowała, że podstawy programowe są nastawione na teksty związane z martyrologią, poczuciem tożsamości narodowej. Wraca Romantyzm z całą narodową tradycją, i o ile w tamtym czasie (mam na myśli XIX w.) było to uzasadnione walką o niepodległość kraju i ówcześni pisarze nie byli nacjonalistami, tak ich się teraz przedstawia, bez pokazywania szerszego kontekstu. Teraz w szkole uwypukla się cechy skłaniające młodych ludzi do utożsaanon1235093333nia się z narodem, krajem. Jednocześnie i równolegle w polskich szkołach w ostatnich latach szerzy się ksenofobia, podsycana przekazem medialnym wrogim wszystkiemu co nienormatywne.

W szkole po reformie jest powrót do nauczania typowo wiedzowego. Ważne są treści, które uczeń ma wkuć. Brak tu miejsca na uczenie krytycznego, problemowego myślenia. Wiele elementów zostało przekopiowanych z dawnej podstawy programowej, tej z lat 90-tych, którą pamiętam z dzieciństwa. Po reformie z 2017 r. lektury szkolne zmieniły się na gorsze, czyt. przestarzałe i nauczyciele stracili prawo do swobodnego wyboru lektur (poprzednio nie było ścisłego kanonu). Dziś nie możesz nie realizować lektur obowiązkowych, bo są one na egzaminie końcowym, więc nie masz wyboru.

_Czym wyróżnia się Twoja szkoła od innych szkół?_

Nasz szkoła znana jest też niestety jako szkoła &ldquo;snobów&rdquo;: mamy wysokie czesne, więc posyłane są do nas osoby z określonych społecznych kręgów: biznesmeni, lekarze, prawnicy. Nasi uczniowie zwracają uwagę na marki: buty, ciuchy, gadżety i kosmetyki. I choć nauczyciele starają się z tym walczyć, przypomina to raczej walkę Don Kichota z wiatrakami.
Co wyróżnia nas pozytywnie? W naszej szkole kładziemy wielki nacisk na indywidualizację - nasze relacje z uczniami są partnerskie, uczniowie nie boją się pytać, prosić o pomoc, przez co odbierani są czasem jako bezczelni. Staramy się im dawać szersze pole do dyskusji niż w szkole publicznej, co czasami sprawia, że przekraczają granice, ale wolę traktować to jako ich krok w rozpoznawaniu świata niż hamować i odgórnie piętnować takie zachowania. Jako polonistka mam szerokie pole do dyskusji z uczniami - operuję na tekstach i wybieram tematy, które uważam za istotne i rozwijające. I tak poanon1547754019m uczniom badać i poszerzać granice ich świata.

Istnieją też międzyprzedmiotowe, ponadpodmiotowe moduły w naszej szkolnej edukacji. Uczniowie skłaniani są do odkrywania swojej tożsamości, uczą się autorefleksji, krytycznego myślenia, postrzegania siebie w kontekście świata, planety, zwracania uwagi na to, jak język kształtuje świat i postrzeganie. Organizujemy też warsztaty, np. z samoobrony dla dziewczyn (nie tylko fizycznej, ale też psychologicznej). Mamy program matury międzynarodowej, w którym jest przedmiot Service as Action - uczniowie wymyślają sobie w jego ramach działania społeczne/charytatywne i mają udokumentować, co i jak zrobili w jego ramach. Amnesty International działa u nas prężnie od lat.

Niestety, prywatna szkoła to też korporacja - firma, która ma szkołę, szpitale, firmy samochodowe, nieruchomości, etc. Są w związku z tym rzeczy, które według mnie szkodzą szkole - np. do niedawna mieliśmy max. 18 uczniów w klasie, dwa lata temu zwiększono ten limit do 20 uczniów. Liczba klas wzrosła z dwóch na poziomie do 3, a w jednym roczniku nawet do 4 - a budynek nie rośnie. W szkole prywatnej większe są też oczekiwania rodziców dzieci, którzy częściej niż w szkołach publicznych próbują wpłynąć na decyzje nauczycieli dotyczące sposobów nauczania czy oceniania.

&ldquo;Zanon1235093333na to rozwój&rdquo; - to hasło naszej szkoły. Z jednej strony jest to dobre, z drugiej czasem czujemy się przeładowani ilością obowiązkowych, dodatkowych szkoleń i eksperymentów, z których część okazuje się nieudana. Dobre jest jednak to, że w mojej szkole docenia się pracę nauczycieli. Dostajemy wypłatę przez cały rok, za 12 miesięcy, a nie za 10 i mamy normalne wakacje i ferie. Nie wszystkie szkoły prywatne to praktykują. Jako nauczyciele nie boimy się też zgłaszać dyrektorowi skarg czy uwag na temat tego, jak działa szkoła. Te skargi/uwagi są brane pod uwagę przy ewaluacji pracy szkoły.

Co jeszcze nas wyróżnia? Większość szkół publicznych zamawia msze na początek roku szkolnego i zwykle idzie się na nie razem z uczniami. Mam wrażenie, że w Polsce jest niepisana zasada, że nauczyciele powinni się na nich pojawiać - to nie jest obowiązek, ale presja społeczna działa. Tymczasem w naszej szkole w ogóle tego nie ma.

Co więcej, mamy w szkole realnie odbywającą się etykę, dostępną wszystkim uczniom, którzy wyrażą chęć uczestnictwa. Inaczej to wygląda w szkole publicznej, gdzie jeszcze do niedawna musiało być min. 7 osób w grupie, żeby w ogóle te zajęcia zorganizować. Ponadto godziny przewidziane na etykę w szkole publicznej są bardzo często niedogodne dla uczniów i rodziców (np. o 7 rano albo 17), więc niestety w wielu przypadkach nauczanie etyki jest fikcją. Dodatkowo zdarza się piętnowanie uczniów, którzy opuszczają zajęcia religii i chodzą zaanon1235093333st tego na etykę. U nas się to nie zdarza. Etyka jest na wysokim poziomie, nauczycielka jest po filozofii, nie tak jak to bywa w wielu szkołach, gdzie lekcje te prowadzi anon3213561856echeta. Nasza nauczycielka sama wymyśla program w oparciu o podstawę programową i łączy na zajęciach religioznawstwo z kulturoznawstwem. Chętnie sama chodziłabym na jej zajęcia.

Jeśli chodzi o nauczanie religii, mamy w szkole siostrę zakonną, ale wielu uczniów zwraca się do niej per: &ldquo;proszę pani&rdquo;, co poświadcza świeckość ich domowego wychowania. Z moich obserwacji wynika, że uczniowie nie znają kultury anon3213561856olickiej (niektórzy pytają na przykład: &ldquo;czy ksiądz jest mężem zakonnicy&rdquo;), a jednak chodzą na te lekcje.

W szkole publicznej anon1235093333łam więcej czasu dla siebie. Tu przygotowujemy większość lekcji i materiałów sami. Tylko kilka razy w roku zaglądam do podręczników, których treści, a głównie proponowane zadania, uważam za infantylizujące. Bardzo dobrze działa u nas współpraca między nauczycielami. Wraz z koleżankami wymieniamy się pomysłami i rozwiązaniami czy scenariuszami zajęć. Pracując w ten sposób staramy się omijać wszystkie metody, które sugerują schematyczne rozwiązania. Poprzez selekcję i samodzielny dobór tekstów staramy się też eliminować z procesu nauczania niepotrzebne rzeczy. Po latach mam więc już nieźle opracowaną bazę materiałów.

_Jak oceniacie swoich uczniów?_

Jednym z fajnych elementów naszej szkoły jest też formative assessment, czyli ocenianie kształtujące. To dawanie informacji zwrotnej zaanon1235093333st stopnia. Filozofia OK jest taka, że ćwiczymy jakąś umiejętność, upewniając się, że uczeń wie, co ma z tego wynieść. Najlepiej, gdy dodatkowo dziecko ma świadomość, jak może daną umiejętność wykorzystać w życiu. Zanim przejdziemy do oceniania pracy ucznia, dajemy kryteria, jasno sformułowane polecenia, czas na pracę. Następnie uczniowie sprawdzają między sobą wykonane zadanie, przekazują sobie wskazówki, a dopiero potem wkraczamy my, nauczyciele. Sprawdzamy wynik pracy lub analizujemy proces, dajemy uczniowi feedback i wskazujemy obszary do dalszej pracy. I tak w wielkim skrócie wygląda ocenianie kształtujące.

Pytanie, czy stawiamy stopnie? Tak. Są u nas i oceny sumujące. Uczniowie wykonują zadania &ldquo;na ocenę&rdquo;, jednak zanim to zrobią, dajemy im szansę poćwiczyć i pouczyć się na własnych błędach, weryfikowanych wraz z rówieśnikami.

_Jacy są dzisiejsi uczniowie - i uczniowie w Twojej szkole? I jak myślisz, skąd wzrost zainteresowania nacjonalizmem i faszyzmem w Polsce?_

Uczniowie zmienili się od naszych czasów - są mniej samodzielni, być może jeszcze bardziej w naszej szkole, gdzie jest silne partnerstwo i pomoc. Mamy u nas marginalny problem z rasizmem - jest to szkoła międzynarodowa, więc jest z tym łatwiej. Przez dostępność etyki czy filozofii, uczniowie nie myślą, że jest jedyna słuszna i odpowiednia religia czy naród - co jest przeciwieństwem tego, co dzieje się w szkołach publicznych, szczególnie od 2015 roku.
Niestety zauważam, że w naszym mieście/kraju nastroje nacjonalistyczne i ksenofobiczne wzrastają. Przybywa młodych ludzi zamkniętych na odmienność, o ciasnych horyzontach, widzących tylko czubek swojego nosa, bez szerszego kontekstu poza Wielką Polską Narodową.

_Czy popierasz strajk nauczycieli?_

Popieram strajk nauczycieli, bo w tym kraju nie ma szacunku do naszej pracy - media narodowe pokazują nas jako osoby, które pracują 18 godzin w tygodniu, wielu nie bierze pod uwagę tego, ile wysiłku i czasu kosztuje nas przygotowanie do tej pracy i inne związane z nią zajęcia. Czasami liczę swój czas spędzony na pracy i wychodzi mi ponad 40 godzin w tygodniu.

Jeśli brakuje szacunku dla nauczycieli, to uczniowie nie chcą się uczyć, słysząc w domach, jak to jesteśmy biedni, niewiele mamy z naszej pracy, nikt nas nie szanuje. PIS tę sytuację tylko pogarsza. Przekaz mediów ze strajku był negatywny, pokazywał nauczycieli jako darmozjadów i leni. Rządowi nie zależy na wsparciu &ldquo;klasy inteligenckiej&rdquo; - wiedzą, że nie jesteśmy ich elektoratem - a swoje szkoły i tak będą wspierać, pod warunkiem, że zrealizują ich program i będą wpajać uczniom odpowiednie treści.

Brak wsparcia dla nauczycieli doprowadzi do sytuacji, kiedy nie będzie już mądrych osób spełniających zadanie edukowania młodych. Zastąpią nas bezkrytyczni wyrobnicy. Jeśli młodzież nie pozna mechanizmów działania historii, nie zastanowi się, co doprowadziło do pewnych zdarzeń, nie będzie ćwiczyć się w krytycznym myśleniu, chętnie przyjmie narrację nacjonalistyczną, zogniskowaną wokół potrzeby przynależności i wykluczenia. W zdogmatyzowanej szkole łatwiej o wzrost popularności radykalnych postaw wśród młodych osób. Myślę jednak,że nie grożą nam drugie Węgry. Na szczęście wzrasta zainteresowanie planetą i załamującą się sytuacją klimatyczną i to raczej w tą stronę będzie szła energia młodych ludzi. Na to liczę."
2,57967,2019-08-14T16:00:30.843Z,10517,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,57778,anon3353600255,anon1593595298,"Dziękujemy za wgląd w sytuację w edukacji w Polsce (przepraszam za język, używam automatycznego tłumacza). To wspaniałe, że widzisz pozytywną przyszłość dla młodego pokolenia, mam również nadzieję na coś podobnego tutaj w Czechach, widzę pokolenie młodych ludzi, którzy postrzegają problemy na całym świecie i widzą dalej niż wzgórze za swoim domem. Chciałbym zapytać, jak Twoja szkoła radzi sobie z presją środowiska i Ministerstwem Edukacji, które z pewnością wolą mieć większy wpływ na kształtowanie programu nauczania? Niestety, nauczanie w Polsce robi krok wstecz, sam uczęszczałem do liceum w latach 90. i pamiętam, jak młodsze pokolenie nauczycieli działało nieco inaczej niż starsze - doprowadziły do krytycznego myślenia. Jako studenci świetnie się bawiliśmy, a ograniczenia stylu nauczania były czasem dość uderzające."
3,59831,2019-09-24T17:33:13.643Z,10517,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,57778,anon413923905,anon1593595298,"Też bardzo mnie boli regres nowej podstawy programowej. Jestem biologiem. W naukach przyrodniczych powrót do starego jest tak bolesny, że trudno mi wchodzić na lekcję bez wk*rwu z tyłu głowy. Jak ja mam dzieciom wikipedii podać powód zakuwania o krążkopławach i protonefrydiach? Materiał jest tak przeładowany, że na jedną grupę organizmów nie możemy poświęcić więcej niż jednej godziny. ..
Płakać mi się chce nad dzisiejszą szkołą"
1,58610,2019-08-30T12:44:17.042Z,10647,0,7,6,3,0,0,16.4,58610,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Tutaj zbieramy listę organizacji, z którymi chcemy współpracować, oraz potencjalnych lokali:"
2,58634,2019-08-31T10:40:29.184Z,10647,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,58610,anon1812918160,anon3593942245,"Moje propozycje godnych uwagi organizacji pozarządowych:

- Homo Faber https://www.hf.org.pl/ao/index.php
- Chlebem i Solą http://uchodzcy.info/organization/chlebem-i-sola/
- Fundacja Feminoteka https://feminoteka.pl/ (dziewczyny robią Wen Do)
- Instytut Spraw Publicznych https://www.isp.org.pl/
- Fundacja Ocalenie https://ocalenie.org.pl/
- Nigdy Więcej http://www.nigdywiecej.org/
- Centrum Wielokulturowe https://centrumwielokulturowe.waw.pl/
- Kulawa Warszawa https://www.kulawawarszawa.pl/
- Nomada http://nomada.info.pl/"
3,58673,2019-09-02T11:46:15.948Z,10647,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,58634,anon750699873,anon1812918160,"dużo z moich ulubionych <3 
polecam też Helsińską Fundację Praw Człowieka w kontekście np. organizowania pokazów filmowych na zaangażowane tematy.
i Fundacja Autonoanon1235093333 w temacie empowermentu kobiet."
4,58905,2019-09-07T13:50:15.668Z,10647,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,58610,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Myślę o patronacie Biura Rzecznika Praw Obywatelskich

Na ten momet czekam na decyzję w sprawie sali widowiskowej na event w pewnym domu kultury. Wierzę, że zaskoczy."
5,59570,2019-09-18T12:31:35.325Z,10647,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,58610,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,Lokal mamy już prawie dogadany: Pani Dyrektor Centrum Łowicka wstępnie zgodziła się udostępnić salę widowiskową. Ptrzebna jej tylko wstępna lista gości.
1,59304,2019-09-15T09:35:35.732Z,10779,0,12,11,2,0,0,42.4,59304,anon1324479596,anon1324479596,"Ostatnio z dużym niepokojem słucham opowieści młodych osób o atmosferze, jak panuje w ich miejscach pracy. Te przykłady dotyczą zarówno korporacji, małych firm oraz szkół. anon3839296096nującym w nich motywem jest brak współpracy i przemoc w białych rękawiczkach, rodzaj biernej agresji. Ktoś przychodzi do pracy i potrzebuje nauczyć się od innych pracowników specyficznych dla danej organizacji zasad działania i sposobów wykonywania zadań. Starsi stażem pracownicy bywają w tej roli niecierpliwi i krytyczni. Często nie udzielają podstawowych, istotnych informacji. Czasem oceniają nowego pracownika w sposób, który nie sprzyja jego nauce i adaptacji, za to wywołuje poczucie winy i stres. A wszystko to dzieje się w pozornie kulturalnej atmosferze, z uśmiechem na twarzy. 
Usłyszawszy klika takich historii w krótkim czasie, zaczęłam się zastanawiać z czego to wynika. Czy można te opowieści zrzucić na karb pecha poszczególnych osób, które anon1235093333ły takie doświadczenie? Czy jest to szersze zjawisko? Jeśli tak, to o czym świadczy? O bardzo niskiej kulturze pracy? Złym zarządzaniu? Braku pomysłu na wprowadzanie nowych pracowników do firmy? Czy też może o tym, że cały nasz system edukacyjny w ogóle nie przygotowuje nas do współpracy. Nie uczy się nas wzajemnego szacunku, tylko konkurowania. Bycie lepszym jest ważniejsze niż zrobienie czegoś razem. Z takiego myślenia nie wynika nic dobrego ani dla pojedynczego człowieka, ani dla zespołu."
2,59550,2019-09-18T09:33:07.295Z,10779,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,59304,anon3593942245,anon1324479596,"@anon1324479596, cześć, witamy u nas - i dzięki za tę migawkę z Polski. Czy słuchasz tych opowieści w profesjonalnym czy prywatnym kontekście? Bardzo ciekawi mnie szerszy kontekst - i czy te problemy są głównym powodem, dla którego ci młodzi ludzie przychodzą do Ciebie z problemami?

Mieliśmy kiedyś na tym forum bardzo intymną historię dotyczącą przemocy w pracy i przyznaję, że nie wiedziałam nawet, jak mogłabym w tej sytuacji poradzić. Mam wygodnie, bo pracuję od zawsze jako freelancerka, i zwykle raczej autonomicznie, więc problemy wynikające z pracy i interakcji z ludźmi, którzy mają wszelkiego rodzaju problemy, traumy i frustracje, są mi dość obce. Odnoszę wrażenie, że praca z ludzmi to zarazem blogoslawieństwo (bo jednak interakcja i wyanon1235093333na opinii sa niesamowitym sposobem na rozwoj i nauke), jak i przekleństwo. 

Tutaj historia @anon3839296096 - może masz jej coś do poradzenia?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/mobbing-czy-slowa-sa-w-stanie-oddac-doswiadczenia

Pracujemy teraz też nad jednodniowym wydarzeniem w Warszawie z @anon

Dziękuję raz jeszcze za tę obserwację!"
1,59259,2019-09-13T18:50:20.650Z,10772,0,12,11,4,0,0,52.4,59259,anon1624663980,anon1624663980,"Док су моју некадашњу државу бомбардовале европске државе 78 дана, чинило се да су Срби (и још неки уз њих) стварно заслужили бестијално бомбардовање на крају 20. века. Убеђивали су нас да је то за наше добро. После тога ће све бити боље. Пријатељи из родбина из ЕУ је у неверици причала телефоном и преко скајпа како смо ми Југословени (Срби, претежно), ненормални, шта то радимо, зашто је Милошевић још на власти и друге неке небулозе. Чинило ми се тада да смо заиста ми нека чудовишта, али ја то заиста нисам тако видео. Како је мој комшија Михајло чудовиште, отац двоје детета, радник, нормалан човек. Али, не, он је био чудовиште. И он је бирао чудовишта и радио чудовишне ствари. Схватао сам то превише лично. 
А онда се поновило са још многим државама, по истом калупу, на исти начин. 
Једноставно, у ЕУ је владало једноумље, влада и даље - прича се само о стандарду, али не и о томе одакле долазе толике избеглице, зашто ЕУ авиони лете негде тамо, бацају бомбе, на кога, када, колико, зашто? Никоме то у ЕУ није ни јасно ни битно. Важно да су комесари рекли да је то у реду и демократски. Ван памети. 
И ево и данас је тако. Свака другачија вест од комесарске је - троловање, посебно - руско троловање. Где је мозак? Где су сви они европски мислиоци нестали? Једноставно, као да је реч о неком афричком народу, а не о европским народима. И када сам код афричких народа - колико ЕУ грађана уопште зна да је ту ""преко баре"", у Африци, управо ЕУ, односно њена економија направила и даље прави глад, беду, сиромаштво, екслопатацију, смрт, патњу? Изгледа да никога није брига докле год је стандард добар. Поставља се морално питање које би само Кант поставио, али не би добио одговор: како могу да тврдим да живим у благостању ако моји суседи ту у Источној Европи или Африци живе бедно и сиромашно? Одговора нема."
2,59266,2019-09-13T22:56:44.169Z,10772,0,11,10,1,0,0,37.2,59259,anon3346229079,anon1624663980,"Slazem se u mnogo cemu, osim u tome da nikoga nije briga dok god je dobar standard. EU trosi ogromne kolicine novca na stvaranje misljenja stanovnistva, prema tome ne bi trebao kriviti ljude koji su u ogromnoj masineriji vec decenijama i nisu svijesni sto se desava. 

Doduse ti si sad rekao kritiku. Sto bi bilo rjesenje na ovaj specifican problem? :slight_smile:
Da li imas neku ideju koja vodi ka osvijescanon598341349ju stanovnistva u EU? Ili mozda restrukturaciji EU? Razni ljudi pricaju o tome i stvaranju novih oblika demokratije, kao Varoufakis na primjer.

Iskoristiti razvoj tehnologije i pustiti narod da odlucuje o vaznim pitanjima preko online platforme za referendume sa njihovom elektronskom licnom kartom? Da li to uopce ima smisla ako vecina stanovnika nije informisana i zivi u izmisljenoj stvarnosti, stvorenoj radi raznih interesa?

Nije politika ni sistemi tako jednostavna. Ranije je jos i bilo neke ravnoteze izmedju ekonomske moci privatnika i moci javnog mjenja u vidu glasova koje su politicari trebali da bi vladali. Vec duze vrijeme ekonomska moc privatnih lobija je toliko porasla da oni bezkompromisno vladaju kroz politicare...danas se sve moze kupiti. Kombinuj to sa atomizacijom drustva o kojj Chomsky uveliko pise i dobijes jako losu situaciju sto se tice ravnoteze moci.

I naravno da mozes zivjeti u blagostanju iako ljudi negdje drugdje zive bedno i siromasno. Osjecati se uzasno zbog toga je bespotreban utrosak energije. Blagostanje je po meni necije unutrasnje stanje i moze se steci i u siromastvu naravno. Mnogi bogati ljudi ga nemaju tako da mi mozemo mjeriti samo sopstveno blagostanje.
Takodje, ako si svijestan nevolja drugih ljudi i ne svidja ti se ta situacija mozes uraditi samo dvije stvari:
1. Uraditi sve sto je u tvojoj moci da bi promjenio tu situaciju ili je poboljsao. Ako ne uspijes onda je mozes samo prihvatiti, znajuci da si uradio sto je u tvojoj moci
2. Prihvatiti tu situaciju ako ne zelis nista uraditi povodom toga, i prihvatiti posljedice te svoje odluke

U oba slucaja ishod treba da bude taj da se ti ne osjecas mizerno zbog necije nevolje. Sve ostalo je utrosak energije koji ne donosi nista dobro, ni tebi ni drugima.

Govoriti da ne mozes biti srecan dok drugi pate a ne raditi nista povodom toga nema smisla i dvolicno je jer svako na ovom svijetu tezi ka tome da bude srecan (ne govorim, naravno, da je to slucaj kod tebe jer nemam pojma ko si :slight_smile: ). Samo sam se nadovezao na moju tezu iznad."
1,59232,2019-09-12T18:36:35.491Z,10767,0,11,10,3,0,0,17.2,59232,anon1499595575,anon1499595575,"@anon2693311786 od jakiegoś czasu zaprasza mnie na forum, ale dopiero teraz, po naszej rozmowie w cztery oczy przyglądam się bliżej tematowi. Kiedy podesłał mi pierwszy raz linki do strony podszedłem do tego z bardzo dużym dystansem, do tego stopnia, że tylko rzuciłem okiem i nie zainteresowałem się tym bardziej. Poprosił mnie na spotkaniu, bym przyjrzał się temu, skąd taka rezerwa, secptycyzm wobec takich ""akcji"" jak Wasza. Przyznam, że w pierwszym odruchu pomyślałem, że to kolejna z wielu inicjatyw, do której ktoś stara się mnie przekonać. Co to jest, ktoś prosi mnie o dzielenie się swoimi historiami, ale w jakim celu, o co w tym chodzi? Mam w pamięci jeszcze stare czasy, kiedy dzielenie się publicznie swoimi doświadczeniami, było po  prostu niebezpieczne. W tym sensie wróciły do mnie tamte czasy. Zanon1235093333ny, które następują, są dla mnie straszne. Boję się tego. Do czego to ma być wykorzystane? Czy jest w ogóle potrzeba dzielenia się z innymi moją historią? Pomyślałem, że jakaś organizacja ma swoje interesy, które zostaną wykorzystane... no właśnie w jakim celu? 

Inna sprawa, że każdy ma swoje zadania, interesy, sprawy, a coś takiego schodzi po prostu na dużo dalszy plan. A może ktoś chce się wypromować kosztem  mnie...A jeśli to jeszcze anon1235093333łoby mi zaszkodzić? To już w ogóle...W pierwszym odruchu nie znalazłem motywacji do tej inicjatywy. Przypuszczam, że to nie tylko moje  przemyślenia w pierwszym kontakcie z Wami. Może ktoś ma podobnie? 

To smutne, ale po tych kilku latach trochę straciłem złudzenia, nadzieje, że można to odmienić.  Pojawił  się jakiś rodzaj obojętności i zniechęcenia na polską rzeczywistość Zastanawialiśmy się wspólnie z @anon2693311786 co tu tutaj nie gra. Dlaczego ludzie nie chcą się zaangażować. No cóż, jakoś nie widzę tu kontkretu. Po co to wszystko? Co ludzie mogą z tego mieć? Jaką korzyść można mieć w publicznym dyskutowaniu o tym co się dzieje w Polsce, tym bardziej, że dziś taka technologia, iż można każdego wyłowić. Czy dajecie mi gwarancję, że jestem tu bezpieczny? Co ludzie mogą z tego mieć? Muszą coś dostać w zaanon1235093333n, niekonecznie materialną gratyfikację. Może jakąś satysfakcję? Może coś dzięki czemu w ich życiu coś się wyjaśni? Jakieś napięcie wewnętrzene ustąpi? Wydaje mi się też, że skoro staracie się zachęcić ludzi do wspólnego działania, do zaangażowania, warto byście (i to w sumie do wszystkich liderów) przemyśleli jakie są Wasze motywacje. Dlaczego to robicie? Jakie są wasze interesy? Jak ludzie mogą poczuć, że to jest istotne, ba! co stracą jak nie włączą się do Waszej inicjatywy. Najgorzej jeśli narzędzia i technika zasłaniają energię, która za tym idzie. Ludzie muszą poczuć siłę, wówczas zaczną działać...

Psycholog, 55"
2,59238,2019-09-13T07:05:16.590Z,10767,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,59232,anon3593942245,anon1499595575,"Cześć, @anon

Próbowałam to jakoś wyjaśnić. Ciekawi mnie, czy to dla Pana wystarczające, czy wciąż czegoś brakuje?

Jest pan z pokolenia moich rodziców, i ciekawi mnie, jak to jest z tym dzieleniem się historiami - to, o czym pan wspomina w jednym z paragrafów, czyli strach przed publicznym dzieleniem się historiami o sobie. Czy mogłabym Pana zachęcić do opowiedzienia trochę więcej na ten temat? Czy jest to bolączka całego pokolenia, czy widzi Pan niechęć do dyskusji (w pewnych okolicznościach) między Pana rówieśnikami? Jak zanon1235093333ny po '89 wpłynęły na ten pokoleniowy strach?

Pozdrawiam!"
3,59328,2019-09-16T06:07:36.122Z,10767,0,2,1,0,0,0,0.4,59238,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Maybe the Social contract can help - it outlines our intentions, but would probably need to be translated in Polish too - https://edgeryders.eu/t/social-contract-for-the-poprebel-project-community/10252"
1,58794,2019-09-04T18:24:12.708Z,10684,0,14,13,2,0,0,27.8,58794,anon2394571021,anon2394571021," **Funding programme for 2020 of the German Federal Foreign Office**

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/europa/erweiterung-nachbarschaft/nachbarschaftspolitik/zivilgesellschaft-projekte-oestliche-partnerschaft/301008
( Azerbaijan, Romanian, Ukrainian and other language texts available at bottom of page, other information on http://oepr.diplo.de)

I believe its pretty much what edgeryder does already with the Wellbeing in Europe thing, but I have not enough understanding of that. I hope this is the right place to post this, please instruct me to post it otherwhere if that is not the case or tag the relevant people.

deadlline: 11 of October 2019.

Important information: to submit a sketch of your project, please register on this website: 
http://oepr.diplo.de

Project sketches which are submitted in any other way can not be taken into account.

More information you can find here https://oepr-partnerschaft.de/"
2,58808,2019-09-05T07:17:57.938Z,10684,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,58794,anon2446385507,anon2394571021,"Thank you so much @anon2394571021, this is the exact place to post it :stuck_out_tongue:

_Civil-society cooperation projects are eligible for funding if they take place in Germany, Russia or the Eastern Partnership countries. The Eastern Partnership countries are Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine._  

AND

https://oepr-partnerschaft.de/2019/09/02/partners-from-poland-are-eligible-to-participate/


Ping @anon"
3,58817,2019-09-05T09:18:36.476Z,10684,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,58808,anon2693311786,anon2446385507,"Hej, ale zdaje się, że projekt nie jest przeznaczony dla Polski..."
4,58862,2019-09-06T09:21:00.653Z,10684,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,58817,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"W tytule jest napisane ""partners from Poland are eligible"" - więc jest :) możemy o tym pogadać"
5,58872,2019-09-06T13:21:27.448Z,10684,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,58794,anon3593942245,anon2394571021,I can imagine doing two rounds: one with @anon2468062034 for Armenia and one for Poland - but I am not sure which org could we use?  Maybe Homo Faber? or PTPP ?
6,58878,2019-09-06T14:34:29.748Z,10684,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,58872,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"For Poland why don't you ask some of the more active community members? Send them a shared message and see what comes.. Then it could be a part of the event, collaborative work on the application. Like open&change."
1,58658,2019-09-02T08:21:41.085Z,10657,0,12,11,11,0,0,87.4,58658,anon305051963,anon305051963,"Zaradna

Po 29 latach pracy w zawodzi fizjoterapeutki „zaproponowano” mi w moim szpitalu pracę na pół etatu, co dla mnie oznaczała warunki finansowe na które nie mogłam się zgodzić. Razem z kilkoma innymi koleżankami z pracy z dużym stażem nie zgodziliśmy się na to. W skutek czego, tego samego dnia, a konkretnie dwadzieścia minut później, na korytarzu, w poczekalni szpitala, w obecności pacjentów panie kadrowe wręczyły mi wypowiedzenie. Dwa tygodnie przed tak zwaną ochronką przedemerytalną. Wpadłam w histerię. I wtedy się zaczął horror. Wraz z kilkoma innymi osobami dostałam wypowiedzenie, nie wiedziałam co się dzieje. Te osoby, które się nie zgodziły na „propozycje” dostały wypowiedzenie. I to wszystko działo się w szpitalu Psychiatrycznym, gdzie się leczy ludzi z depresji i nerwic. W piątek dostałam wypowiedzenie, a w sobotę anon1235093333łam dyżur.  Byłam w takim stanie, że szybko tego dnia wykonałam swoje zabiegi, swoją pracę i wyszłam wcześniej ze szpitala w całym tym okropnym stresie. Pech chciał, że spotkałam ordynatora. Zostałam wezwana na dywanik i i zagrożono, ze zostanę zwolniona dyscyplinarnie. Dodatkowy stres. Wtedy było mi już wszystko jedno, bo czułam się bardzo skrzywdzona tym jak mnie potraktowano. Pisałam pisma, całe elaboraty!, poszłam do psychologa. Powiedziałam, że anon1235093333łam taki stres w związku z zaistniałą sytuacją.  To zostało uznane, ale ja czuję, że to było kolejne upokorzenie. Bardzo bolało mnie, że dostałam wypowiedzenie przy pacjentach. To było poniżające dla mnie. Szefa nawet nie było stać na to, żeby zrobić to osobiście. W głowie mi się nie mieści jak można tak człowieka potraktować. Dyrektor szpitala psychiatrycznego, w którym leczy się ludzi z chorób psychicznych. Żeby było śmieszniej, to dyrektor jest mężem mojej koleżanki, która twierdziła, że o niczym nie wiedziała. Nasza szefowa! Młode osoby, które przyszły musiałby przyjąć pół etatu i one zostały, a starych wypieprzyli....

Pół roku później zadzwoniła do mnie siostra z Niemiec z życzeniami urodzinowymi i powiedziała, że może będzie anon1235093333ła dla mnie pracę w Niemczech. No i pojechałam. Z baaardzo podstawową znajomością niemieckiego, ale bardzo dużym doświadczeniem dostałam pracę w swoim zawodzie. Samochód służbowy, trzy razy większą pensję niż w Polsce i jestem w Berlinie już trzeci rok. Wynajmuję mieszkanie. Idealny układ. Z mężem widzimy się w weekendy. Ale bez wsparcia siostry nie dałabym rady. Wspólnota robi swoej. Pomogła mi ze wszystkim. Zostałyśmy najlepszymi przyjaciółkami. Największym problemem dla mnie jest jednak samotność, która mi doskwiera w długie wieczory... Mam kilka znajomych, ale brakuje mi mojej rodziny. Trzy lata brakują mi do otrzymania podstawowych świadczeń w Niemczech.  Trzy lata i wracam... Tylko jaki to będzie powrót. Trochę boję się tego co tu się wyrabia teraz w Polsce. Ale nie takie rzeczy już przeżyliśmy i damy radę.

Zaradna 63, fizjoterapeutka na emigracji"
2,58678,2019-09-02T13:00:10.078Z,10657,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,58658,anon750699873,anon305051963,"Współczuję sposobu w jaki zostałaś potraktowana. Widać, że to w Tobie przede wszystkim siedzi. Nie jest to żadnym pocieszeniem..raczej urealnieniem, ale co do szpitali psychiatrycznych to anon1235093333łam kontakt z osobami, które się leczyły...i niestety szpitale nie zawsze są miejscami gdzie pacjenci (ale też personel!) są traktowani z szacunkiem i godnością. Wydawało by się, że ludzie zajmujący się problematyką zdrowia psychicznego z natury i z wykształcenia powinni cechować się wyższym poziomem empatii...no ale tak nie jest. Żadne miejsce nie jest wolne od ludzi bezwzględnych a już na pewno miejsce o hierarchicznej strukturze gdzie się sprawuje władzę nad innymi. Mimo wszystko, pod koniec wpisu pojawiła się nadzieja na lepszą przyszłość. Może ta emigracja jednak wyjdzie Ci na dobre?"
3,58683,2019-09-02T14:46:52.776Z,10657,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,58658,anon2446385507,anon305051963,"Cześć, dziękuję bardzo za podzielenie się swoją historią! Nazywam się anon2649858692mi, mam 32 lata i nie wierzę w dobry system emerytalny w przyszłości, więc moją strategią jest upewnienie się, że będę mieć pewne oszczędności lub inwestycje, kiedy dorosnę.

Podziwiam cię za odwagę opuszczenia kraju i życia i wypróbowania czegoś nowego w kraju, w którym nie znasz języka.

Co zrobili twoi koledzy, którzy byli w tej samej sytuacji? Czy zostali i zbuntowali się, czy też odeszli? Czy jest jakiś sposób, w jaki inni Polacy w naszej społeczności wspierają cię?

PS Mój komentarz został przetłumaczony z angielskiego na polski za pomocą google. Proszę wybaczyć błędy!"
4,58874,2019-09-06T13:47:51.426Z,10657,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,58658,anon3593942245,anon305051963,"Zanon1235093333ny w systemie zdrowia, które podążają za logiką rynkowego kapitalizmu, prowadzą do tego, że coraz mniej człowieczeństwa jest w tych instytucjach - jedyną rzeczą, którą bierze się po uwagę, jest profit. Nie ma to absolutnie żadnego sensu - na całym świecie brakuje lekarzy i personelu, przez co nie dostajemy dobrej opieki, a jednocześnie standardową odpowiedzią na problemy są zwolnienia. Po raz kolejny widać, jak logika systemu odbiera godność pracownikom i szansę na dobrą opiekę czy szybka diagnozę pacjentom. 

Przykro mi, że tak się to skończyło - ale ciesze się, że jest Pani lepiej w Berlinie. Bardzo byłabym ciekawa posłuchać Pani przemysleń, nawet na żywo, ja mieszkam na Neukolln :) 

Pozdrawiam!"
1,58461,2019-08-27T13:23:28.627Z,10625,1,9,8,4,0,0,56.8,58461,anon1154978506,anon1154978506,"Skończyłem liceum ogólnokształcące o profilu humanistycznym, następnie medyczne studium zawodowe o specjalności ratownik medyczny. Potem zrobiłem licencjat: promocja zdrowia i zdrowie publiczne, i magisterkę z pedagogiki - ze wczesnego wspoanon1547754019nia rozwoju i zdrowia publicznego. Uczyłem się z przerwami ze względów finansowych, bo już wtedy anon1235093333łem dzieci i nie było mnie po prostu stać. Nie mogłem iść systemem dziennym.  

Skończyłem studium dzienne, potem byłem w wojsku przez rok. Wyszedłem z wojska i znowu zacząłem pracować jako ratownik. Wtedy pojawiło się dziecko i partnerka skończyła studia magisterskie, a ja postanowiłem się dokształcić prywatnie zaocznie. Za ambitnie chyba wystrzeliłem. Nie dostałem się tam, gdzie chciałem. Na ratownictwo poszedłem niejako z przymusu, żeby nie iść do wojska. a potem złapałem bakcyla, spodobało mi się to  i tak zostało. Gdy moja żona zaszła w ciążę, przeprowadziłem się do innego anon1235093333sta, a pracowałem nadal w miejscowości, w której się wychowywałem. To była praca z umową na stałe, a w moim zawodzie trudno dostać umowę na stałe, raczej preferowane są umowy kontraktowe albo na zlecenie. Pracuję tam ok. 13 lat. Zaczynałem od wynagrodzenia 750 zł, a zarabiam jeszcze ok. 2 300 tys. zł plus 700 zł z dodatkami, a od przyszłego miesiąca - po podwyżkach - będzie ok. 3 800 zł. 

W starostwie zmieniły się władze kilka miesięcy temu. Są związane niestety z nielubianym przeze mnie PISem. Zmieniło się podejście do pielęgniarek, do ratowników, do mojego zawodu, do lekarzy. Zresztą od pewnego czasu jest taki trend w kraju, że likwiduje się „S”, czyli karetki z lekarzem, a na ich miejsce powstają podstawowe, z ratownikami. Stąd m.in. ta podwyżka: większa odpowiedzialność, większy zakres obowiązków. Jestem w związku zawodowym. Poprzez związek są negocjowane wszelkiego rodzaju podwyżki. Np.: sorty mundurowe, które nam się należą co jakiś czas też są załatwiane przez związek. Chociaż myślę, że gdyby nie nowa dyrektorka nie wskóraliby nic. U nas jest niewydolny wręcz ten związek. Te ostatnie podwyżki obyły się bez strajku. Wcześniej - w zeszłym roku - był powtórzony strajk ogólnopolski, a zaczęło się dwa lata temu. Wtedy został wyciszony. Dostaliśmy dwa razy 400 zł brutto brutto. I w zeszłym roku dostaliśmy kolejne 400 zł brutto brutto, czyli 230 zł na rękę. To nie jest podwyżka do wynagrodzenia zasadniczego, tylko dodatek. To było pokłosie strajku pielęgniarek, które dostały 4 razy 400 zł od razu. Uważaliśmy, że nie wykonujemy gorzej swojej pracy ani też inaczej niż one, dlatego należą nam się takie same podwyżki. Niestety dostaliśmy 230 zł netto, czyli w w sumie  690 zł po trzech podwyżkach. Dwa albo trzy lata temu weszła zanon1235093333na ustawy  – art. 183 Kodeksu pracy, która mówi o tym, że na tym samym stanowisku, wykonując pracę tej samej wartości, wyanon1547754019jącą tego samego wykształcenia, nie można zarabiać różnie. Ze względu na to, że pielęgniarki pracują z nami na karetkach, zarabiają na chwilę obecną o 1 500 zł więcej niż my. Pielęgniarki dostawały swoje podwyżki równolegle. W tej chwili mają 4 500 zł na rękę po wszystkich podwyżkach, a my będziemy mieć 3 700 zł. Czyli nadal jest te 800 zł różnicy. Nasze wojowanie o tę podwyżkę wynikało z tej ustawy. Tylko przez dwa lata, kiedy rządził poprzedni dyrektor, nie dało się z tym nic zrobić. Dopiero teraz wszystkie pisma nowa dyrektorka wzięła i po kolei ustosunkowała się do nich. Zresztą to może wynikać z animozji. Ona chyba nie lubi pielęgniarek. Uważa, że są krzykliwe, roszczeniowe, za mało pracują. Pod koniec ubiegłego roku pielęgniarki znowu wszczęły strajk w naszym powiecie. W jego wyniku dwa oddziały musiały być ewakuowane, bo wszystkie poszły na zwolnienie. Poszły do nowej starościny, która anon1235093333nowała tą dyrektorkę szpitala. I dała pielęgniarkom kolejne 600 zł podwyżek, co przelało szalę goryczy. Wszyscy ratownicy poszli do tej starościny. Powiedziała, że rozumie nasze postulaty, tylko chwilowo nie ma pieniędzy, żeby dać jej trochę czasu, przyjdzie nowa dyrektorka, zapozna się ze sprawą. Rzeczywiście zauważyła, że pielęgniarki zarabiają 1 500 zł więcej za taką samą pracę; że lekarze na anestezjologii zarabjają 200 zł za godzinę, co w ogóle już jest kuriozum, bo my zarabialiśmy 2 300 zł za cały miesiąc, więc lekarz za jeden dobry dyżur mógł wziąć te same pieniądze. Przecież też jeździmy na karetce bez lekarzy i odpowiedzialność jest taka sama. Na karetce lekarze mieli chyba 70 zł za godzinę, a my wtedy - 15-16 zł za godzinę. Dyrektorka sama zaproponowała kwotę dwa razy po 500 zł. Przy czym chyba w obliczeniach się pomylili, bo dali teraz po 600 zł, a pod koniec roku mamy rozmawiać o kolejnych podwyżkach. Ona wyszła na przeciw naszym oczekiwaniom sama z siebie. Sama zaproponowała te podwyżki w takiej kwocie. Nie wiem czy dyrektorka jest z PIS, ale starościna na pewno, a przez nią została anon1235093333nowana. Nie zmienia to podejścia do partii, bo mamy świadomość, że to jest szczebel lokalny. Jednak na szczeblu krajowym trochę to inaczej funkcjonuje. Tutaj jest kontakt bezpośredni. Oni chyba nie mają takiego głębokiego poczucia przynależności partyjnej jak na przykład na szczeblu krajowym ci politycy. Tak mi się przynajmniej wydaje.

Nie wydaje mi się, że moje wynagrodzenie jest adekwatne do pracy, którą wykonuję ani do odpowiedzialności. Jeszcze rok temu byłbym zadowolon. Wystarczyłoby mi 3 500 zł. Teraz kiedy je mam, wydaje mi się że ok. 5 tys. zł byłoby adekwatne. Ciągle kolejnymi ustawami poszerza się nam zakres obowiązków, a do tej pory nie szły za tym żadne podwyżki wynagrodzenia. 

Raz w roku mamy tzw. wczasy pod gruszą, czyli dodatek do wypoczynku w kwocie... Właśnie. Do tej pory mieliśmy do połowy ucięte – do 350 zł, a nowa dyrektorka wróciła do tych właściwych sum, i teraz mamy 750 zł. To jest płatne po odbytym urlopie -  minimum 10 dni roboczych, 14 dni kalendarzowych. Nie ma więcej funduszy socjalnych. Są nieoprocentowane pożyczki z kasy zapomogowo – pożyczkowej, jeżeli ktoś sobie życzy. Oczywiście to trzeba spłacać. Mamy grupowe ubezpiecznie, co jest chyba trochę tańsze. 

W czasie protestów nie wszyscy ratownicy strajkowali. Nie wiem dlaczego. Mogę się tylko domyślać, że część jest zbyt leniwa, druga część może się bać represji ze strony przełożonych, bo i takie straszenie było ze strony kierownika. Tego typu słowa padały, nie wiem czy żartem czy poważnie. Ratownikowi kontraktowemu ciężej się zmobilizować do tego strajku, bo jak ktoś jest na kontrakcie, to on zazwyczaj pracuje dużo więcej godzin niż ja. Ja na etacie maksymalnie 168 godzin muszę przepracować w miesiącu, a taki człowiek, który pracuje na kontrakcie, miesięcznie, żeby wyjść na swoje, zapłacić ZUS i podatek, musi pracować prawie 300 godz., a żeby odłożyć to pracuje po 400 godz. I jemu - jak pracuje 400 godzin - ciężko się zmobilizować, żeby pójść na strajk. Nie ma zwyczajnie na to czasu. 

Widzę mnóstwo problemów w służbie zdrowia. Np.: brak świadomości ludzi co do zasadności wezwań – do czego powinna jeździć karetka, a do czego nie powinna.  Ludzie wzywają nas do bólu kolana, bo się uderzył tydzień temu, bo się przewrócił i go ręka boli – tego typu rzeczy. Gdzie jest jedna karetka w rejonie i trzeba mieć świadomość, że jak pojedziemy do takiej rzeczy, a w międzyczasie stanie się coś poważnego, to ta druga osoba, co potrzebuje pilnie pomocy, jej nie otrzyma, bo jesteśmy na takim wyjeździe nieuzasadnionym wręcz. A to jest pokłosie tego, że w telewizji są rozdmuchiwane afery. Kiedyś jak były wewnętrzne dyspozytorki na pogotowiu, robiły przesiew, w połowie przypadków odmawiały, bo uznawały je za nieuzasadnione. W tej chwili obsługuja to CPRy, czyli Centra Powiadaanon1235093333nia Ratunkowego, w których pracują osoby, które nie znają ludzi, nie znają terenu i przyjmują wszystkie wezwania jak leci. Ze względu na to, że telewizja rozdmuchała śmierć osoby, bo karetka nie dojechała na czas. Śmierć zdarza się na milion, 500 tys. wyjazdów. Dyspozytorzy się boją i przyjmują wszystko jak leci. Natoanon1235093333st świadomość ludzi jest na bardzo niskim poziomie. Ludzie są bardzo roszczeniowi. Uważają, że wszystko im się należy, a nie do końca tak jest. Po to m.in. powstał NIŚ, czyli nocna i świąteczna opieka medyczna. Taki lekarz rodzinny działający od 18:00 do 6:00 rano, żeby odciążyć pogotowie od takich bzdurnych wyjazdów, ale to nie funkcjonuje jak należy. To jest zazwyczaj przy szpitalu albo przy jakiejś przychodni. Teraz mają być przy SORach (przyp.: Szpitalny Oddział Ratunkowy). Taką informację o NIŚ można dostać w CPR lub u lekarza rodzinnego czy w internecie. Żyjemy w dobie internetu, można sobie doczytać. To funkcjonuje nie od wczoraj, to jest od kilku lat, a ludzie dalej o tym nie wiedzą. Zresztą lekarze ze świątecznej opieki często odmawiają wyjazdów, twierdząc, że mają dużo pacjentów, a to nie zawsze jest prawda. To jest lekarz wyjazdowy, przyjmuje na miejscu, ale może też dojechać do pacjenta, bo jest ich dwóch na dyżurze. 

Poza tym problemem jest brak odpowiedniego sprzętu, arogancja i ignorancja bezpośrednich przełożonych, niekompetentni współpracownicy. Pewne problemy jak są zgłaszane, są ignorowane, przynajmniej w rozmowie bezpośredniej. Później przy przy wyższych przełożonych, mój bezpośredni przełożony udaje, że nic nie wiedział albo udaje pomocnego. Są rzeczy, o których nie chciałbym mówić, bo to jednak będzie publikowanie. Gdyby to wyszło na jaw, prokurator by się tym zajął pewnie. Ze strony ludzi jak to wygląda...? Czasem krzyczą w niecenzuralnych słowach: gdzie ta karetka? Są roszczeniowi, wszystko im się należy, czasem są agresywni, czasem pijani. Ludzie są różni. Jeden wezwie karetkę o 3:00 w nocy, bo go paluszek rozboli, bo należy mu się, bo podatki płaci, a inny tydzień będzie chodził ze złamaną nogą i da sobie radę. Na kilka tysięcy mieszkańców jest jedna karetka. Zbyt duży rejon jak na jedną obstawę. Siłą rzeczy ludzie muszą czekać kilka godzin, jeśli 3-4 osoby wezwą karetkę w tym samym czasie. Nie mamy wsparcia psychologicznego. Policja ma, strażacy mają, a my nie mamy żadnego. 

Nie szukam innej pracy, bo ta mi się podoba. Nie wyobrażam sobie, żebym mógł robić coś innego. A dodatkowej – odkąd pojawiły się dzieciaki – póki co nie mogłem. Teraz aktywnie zaczynam się rozglądać i niewykluczone, że może od przyszłego roku albo pod koniec tego roku pójdę do dodatkowej pracy. Ze względu na te podwyżki nie jest to niezbędne, a chcę teraz więcej czasu poświęcić rodzinie, bo tego czasu już nie odzyskam. Na pewno nie będę pracował po 400-500 godzin miesięcznie. 

Ostatnio nie głosowałem w wyborach do Europarlamentu, bo byłem w pracy, a chwilowo nie widzę opcji, na którą mogę głosować. Zawiodłem się na poprzedniej partii rządzącej, czyli na Platformie Obywatelskiej. Wcześniej stale głosowałem na PO. Wprowadzili szereg cięć, co było uzasadnione ze względu na kryzys, który przetoczył się przez Europę. A potem mówili ciągle o dobrej sytuacji w kraju i nie poszły za tym wymierne korzyści dla nas – dla ludzi. Poza tym z mojej perspektywy wprowadzili taką ustawę, która zniosła z pracodawcy obowiązek wypłacania dodatkowego wynagrodzenia za pracę w nocy i za godziny dojazdowe. Wcześniej to było regulowane ustawowo, a oni wprowadzili ustawę, która to znosiła. Teoretycznie dyrektor mógł mi zabrać miesięcznie ok. 500 zł. Zadziałali na moją niekorzyść. Jak to funkcjonuje? W zakładzie opieki zdrowotnej działa kilka związków zawodowych. Na wprowadzenie zanon1235093333n w regulaminie wynagradzania muszą się zgodzić wszystkie związki zawodowe oprócz zainteresowanego. Wiadomo, że myśmy się nie zgodzili, ale oprócz nas musiał nie zgodzić się jeszcze jeden związek. Wtedy nas poparły pielęgniarki. Nie zgodziły się i dyrektor nie mógł tego zrobić. Nie zabrał nam wtedy tych dodatków. 

PO było alternatywą dla autorytarnych zapędów PISu, którego nie mogę znieść. Ta cała retoryka wydaje mi się silnie postkomunistyczna. Jestem centrolewicowy. Obecnie nie przyglądałem się partiom lewicowym. Mamy co? Wiosnę, SLD i Razem, Zieloni. Najbliżej i najrozsądniej jest chyba Razem. Przy czym nie ma siły przebicia. Chyba na zbyt małą skalę działają. Mój głos w wyborach przy obecnych różnicach procentowych nic nie zmieni. Samo poczucie głosowania na niszową partię, nie utwierdza mnie w tym przekonaniu, że zmieni cokolwiek moja decyzja lub jej brak.

Każda zanon1235093333na w kraju, jeśli ma nastąpić, musi zacząć się od jednostki. Stary Żyd kiedyś powiedział: jeśli chcesz zmienić świat, zacznij od siebie. Nie można wyanon1547754019ć od kogoś, jak się nie wyanon1547754019 od siebie. Dopóki pewne pokolenie nie wymrze, to nic się nie zmieni. Na przykład głęboko zakorzeniony antysemityzm w naszym kraju – chciałbym, żeby go nie było. Wśród swoich znajomych już nie obserwuję tego. Jest inne podejście, bardziej ludzkie, nieszufladkujące, otwarte. Każdy prawicowy ruch może stanowić zagrożenie, dlatego trzeba to monitorować. Chociaż z drugiej strony każdy ma prawo mieć takie poglądy, jakie ma, ale nie może zabraniać nikomu mieć poglądów zgoła odmiennych. Mentalność ludzka ma się zmienić. 

Sam nie jestem wierzący chyba już. Wystarczyłoby, żeby ludzie, którzy deklarują się jako żarliwi anon3213561856olicy, zaczęli wcielać w życie poglądy, przekonania wynikające z ich wiary, a tu jest zupełnie inaczej. Dla mnie ważne są: rodzina, orientacja na drugiego człowieka i jego potrzeby, chyba stąd zamiłowanie do pracy. Żyj i daj żyć innym po prostu. Religia nie pełni roli w moim życiu. Żona anon1235093333ła się zająć wychowaniem, w wierze ale chyba jej to nie wychodzi. Spotykamy się przy świątecznym stole i przyjmujemy księdza po kolędzie, chociaż nie z mojej inicjatywy. Nie chodzę do kościoła, chociaż dzieciakom się zdarza, coraz rzadziej, co wynika z mojej postawy. To wynika z nastawienia negatywnego do kościoła. Byłbym ignorantem, gdybym twierdził, że nic nie ma ponad nami. Nie umiem tego ocenić, ale nie wierzę w ludzi tworzących ten system i całą hierarchię. Wszystko przeszkadza mi w kościele: hierarchiczność, wyzyskiwanie, orientacja na pieniądz, pedofilskie skandale, wszystko co sprawia, że ludzie odwracają się od kościoła. Jest ogromny związek kościoła z polityką. Kościół na pewno zapewnia wsparcie politykom. Nie wiem czy w drugą stronę. Jest związany z PISem. Jestem za rozdziałem państwa od kościoła, ale nie chcę, żeby była zepchnięta na margines, a ludzie wierzący będą się tak czuli, a tego bym nie chciał. Niech każdy ma prawo wyboru. Moje dzieci chodzą na religię. Jestem za zrównaniem związków wyznaniowych i kościołów. Tylko to jest nie do zrobienia, bo my jesteśmy narodem anon3213561856olickim jakby nie patrzeć. Z tego co się orientuję księża dostają emeryturę od państwa, a tak być nie powinno. Kto kontroluje ich dochody tak naprawdę? To są takie instytucje właśnie: kościół, PZPN, chyba nikt nie jest w stanie skontrolować ich finansów. 

Nie mam problemów, z którymi nie dałbym sobie rady. Mam marzenia: chciałbym mieć swój dom, uprawiam sport teraz, jest dobrze. Jest to do zrobienia, to kwestia czasu, decyzja o sprzedaży mieszkania, więcej pracy i kredyt. Mamy teraz kredyt na mieszkanie. Spłaciliśmy go w dużej części. Nie jest możliwe, żebyśmy kupili dom na rynku wtórnym bez kredytu. Myślę, że mamy zdolność kredytową, ale nie mamy wkładu własnego na razie. 

Nie mam chyba obecnie żadnych autorytetów. Sam dla siebie jestem autorytetem. Jakkolwiek by to nie zabrzanon1235093333ło."
2,58869,2019-09-06T12:03:23.017Z,10625,0,4,3,1,1,0,5.8,58461,anon2446385507,anon1154978506,"[quote=""anon1154978506, post:1, topic:10625""]
Każda zanon1235093333na w kraju, jeśli ma nastąpić, musi zacząć się od jednostki. Stary Żyd kiedyś powiedział: jeśli chcesz zmienić świat, zacznij od siebie. Nie można wyanon1547754019ć od kogoś, jak się nie wyanon1547754019 od siebie. Dopóki pewne pokolenie nie wymrze, to nic się nie zmieni.
[/quote]

Właśnie tak wielu wierzy w mój kraj, a także uważają, że musi być co najmniej pokoleniowy zwrot, aby pokonać traumę komunizmu. Pochodzę z Rumunii, ale twoje doświadczenia są bardzo podobne do doświadczeń moich przyjaciół, zwłaszcza tych pracujących w medycynie. Tutaj widzę wybór, że ludzie wyjeżdżają do pracy za granicę, zwłaszcza jeśli są młodzi. To jest lepsze dla osoby, ale utrwala zło w systemie. Ponieważ zdecydowałeś się zostać, zastanawiam się, czy istnieje system wsparcia, który znajdziesz, czy może pomóc w budowie? Niekoniecznie instytucjonalne  (jak związki zawodowe), ale może coś wymyślonego przez ludzi, przez twoich kolegów? Co daje ci nadzieję?

Nie chcę dodawać więcej złożoności, ale czy przeczytałeś historię Askiej? Musiała zmierzyć się z wieloma problemami w systemie, ale z perspektywy pacjenta. Jestem pewien, że chętnie usłyszy twoją opinię:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/diagnoza-wsparcie-psychologiczne-i-zycie-z-choroba-przewlekla-w-polsce/10046


PS Mój komentarz został przetłumaczony z angielskiego na polski za pomocą google. Proszę wybaczyć błędy!"
1,53813,2019-05-23T15:56:35.365Z,9961,0,19,18,26,0,0,283.8,53813,anon935191327,anon935191327,"![facebook%20cover|690x386](upload://nGZEyvnz7BqFusLp7XhDSX2W1Du.png) 
For all cultural managers/art professionals out there: Are you tired? Do you need a different type of break? Let me invite you to an experience that will change you. Organized by yours truly.

WHAT: 4 full days of wellness and creative workshops, safe space for reflection, sharing and healing, peer learning, mindfulness practices, light sport activities and relaxation designed for cultural managers and arts / cultural professionals who have experienced a burnout, exhaustion, permanent tiredness
WHEN: 8 – 13 July 2019 (8th and 13th are travel days)
WHERE: MAKAK Bed and Breakfast, Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria
PARTICIPATION FEE: 230 EUR
DEADLINE: Applications will be accepted on a rolling basis but no later than 31 May 2019.
APPLY HERE - http://multikulti.bg/2591

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2,53884,2019-05-24T08:13:03.009Z,9961,1,17,16,1,0,0,43.4,53813,anon2446385507,anon935191327,"This sounds really nice @anon935191327 ! What made you start organising these...? I have heard it's not the first edition right? I can only assume there is a personal experience there, would you be willing to share it?

In a [discussion about burnout](https://edgeryders.eu/t/lets-talk-about-burnout/8507) from a while back, @anon

[quote=""anon
The self-care model is often individual-centered: you do your bit of self-care (yoga, walk, mindfulness, whatever people chose to do) and you have a good work-life balance and you won’t burnout. Not really, because burnout is more about “how” we work, that “how much”. So it’s more nuanced than the work-life balance model. Burnout is not a problem of the individual but of the system, of the way we work, of how organisations are run (often bureaucratic, no matter if flat of top-down) and of the work culture itself.
[/quote]

In my bubble, I know many who are definitely your target audience.. Will spread the word and maybe even register myself, checking my calenday for the summer!"
3,53904,2019-05-24T11:31:03.336Z,9961,2,16,15,14,0,0,158.2,53884,anon935191327,anon2446385507,"thanks, @anon2446385507! surely, the idea came from personal experience :face_with_thermometer:

traveling around Europe and meeting cultural managers, i kept hearing about the same problem, especially from people who genially love what they're doing and don't see it as 'work'. for me the problem was that both my 'working time' and my 'leisure time' were filled with the same people, activities, ideas which, from one hand, is very cool but on the other, it's sometimes difficult to set boundaries. not to mention that i lived and worked with my partner and we would spend 100 % of our time thinking and speaking about work. even if we were out for a run, we reflected on our work, brainstormed, etc. 

i agree that this could be a structural problem and a 'how we work' problem and as a manager i do try to tackle it as much as i can to make my colleagues life easier and structured in a better way :-)  with time i also accepted that at the end, it's a personal responsibility and i cannot take all the blame :-) 

on the 'how much side', and to me, it's also often a financial problem and not-for-profit under-funding doesn't help because work which a whole team of 5 people would normally do has to be done by 1-2 persons. then the organization/the team can say: 'there are not enough resources, we are not doing it', however they do want to do it so they proceed... which also teaches donors that it's okay to under-fund (if that's a verb :-) )

most of all, throughout the years i noticed that the shame is the biggest problem, the image that we build for ourselves and for the others as 'full time change makers', 'i can do it all super heroes', etc. and there is a lot of inner frustration building up and often people become severe to themselves instead of being kind and generous... for some reason it's easier to do it for others :-) 

back to the Re-Creation Camp - we use the Art of Hosting method for deep connection and meaningful conversations but from there the program is co-created and based on participants' needs. thanks a lot for sharing it and i would be happy if you come :-)"
4,53955,2019-05-25T09:02:26.750Z,9961,0,10,9,1,1,0,52.0,53904,anon3589994963,anon935191327,"[quote=""anon935191327, post:3, topic:9961""]
not-for-profit under-funding doesn’t help because work which a whole team of 5 people would normally do has to be done by 1-2 persons. then the organization/the team can say: ‘there are not enough resources, we are not doing it’, however they do want to do it so they proceed… which also teaches donors that it’s okay to under-fund
[/quote]

this is SO ON POINT. can completely relate.

And I will share your event with people who I know may be interested. Good luck!"
5,53957,2019-05-25T10:46:14.926Z,9961,0,9,8,1,1,0,6.8,53904,anon2446385507,anon935191327,"[quote=""anon935191327, post:3, topic:9961""]
i noticed that the shame is the biggest problem, the image that we build for ourselves and for the others as ‘full time change makers’, ‘i can do it all super heroes’, etc. and there is a lot of inner frustration building up and often people become severe to themselves instead of being kind and generous… for some reason it’s easier to do it for others :slight_smile:
[/quote]

This is a deep insight I think - it's been my experience too, individually, but I also see it in our collective. I think it becomes even more dangerous when we project it onto others and the world, as if it's becoming a requirement to be self-sacrificial and go the extra mile just to get things done, and if someone is not willing to do it, then they get less respect.

What also seems to come across from your words is that it's not just cultural managers, this is generalized to a lot of people working in social change.

I am starting to like more and more the idea of doing great work but pursue rewards and adequate funding with assertion - and think about our new projects more strategically, with the goal of social change on the same pedestal as the goal of wellbeing for ourselves. This has been raising eyebrows in some circles, especially in culture where precarity is the rule and prosperity seems to be bourgeois. Maybe I'm wrong, but at times I've wondered if going for prosperity can make you look like impostors.
End of philantropy and more impact investments, developing more entrepreneurial thinking, new kind of NGO leadership.., I guess these fall into what I mean when I say going for prosperity. 

This podcast produced by @anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1098pOkjHk"
6,54236,2019-05-30T14:33:59.707Z,9961,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,53813,anon2446385507,anon935191327,"Ping @anon2495109874 who;s also doing a lot of cultural work.
And  if you have friends in Bulgaria or around.. :-)"
7,58867,2019-09-06T11:28:36.316Z,9961,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,53813,anon2446385507,anon935191327,Ping @anon750699873 @anon2693311786 as inspiration for the event ideas you are exploring in Poland..
1,58304,2019-08-23T12:56:42.508Z,10600,0,12,11,2,0,0,27.4,58304,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Notatki z dzisiejszego spotkania. Obecni: Ja, @anon1812918160 i @anon2693311786

Ustalenia

Program festiwalu jest w budowie, na razie mamy takie propozycje:

1. **Otwarte Forum** - pomysł jest taki, żeby zaprosić od niego reprezentantów różnych środowisk, idealnie odległych od siebie światopoglądowo. Mamy już zespół i buduje się baza studentów, którzy pomogą to facylitować - Mikołaj mówi, że liczy na obecność ok 100 osób. Jaki jest cel takiego spotkania? Chcemy, żeby ludzie się spotkali. Żeby stworzyć możliwość przezwyciężenia ideologicznych różnic i zbudowania warunków do zrozumienia. 

2. **Grupa robocza dla aktywistek** - czytając historię różnych aktywistek, którym różnie w życiu idzie, ale mają ogromny talent i energię, myślę o zrobieniu intymnego spotkania dla tych, którzy potrzebują pomysłów na to, jak żyć z aktywizmu. Będzie to niehierarchijna sesja P2P - przerobienie głównych problemów, podzielenie się strategiami radzenia sobie z nimi, zdobywania funduszy, budowania relacji z ""klientami"", i co tam jeszcze. Myślę tu o @anon750699873 i @anon4072339719. Byłoby dobrze dowiedzieć się, czego wy oczekiwałybyście od takiej sesji? 

3. Dużym tematem są też matki - samotne, pracujące, samozatrudnione. Nie wiem jeszcze, jaki format jest tutaj odpowiedni - może @anon2615322413 czy @anon616153527 mają jakieś sugestie nt tego, jakiego rodzaju rozmowy i pomocy, i specjalistów, byście sobie życzyły (wyobraźcie sobie, że jestem wróżką i mogę zrobić cokolwiek). 

4. Praskie przysmaki czy jakkolwiek to nazwiemy - spotkanie w kuchni wokół wspólnego stołu. Dzielimy się przepisami, uczymy gotować i opowiadamy sobie historie z życia. To zaanon1235093333st anon3213561856eringu, o ile znajdziemy miejsce z kuchnią. Ale może warto w jakiejś formie to zorganizować nawet w miejscu bez kuchni?

5. Sesja tatuaży i rozmów wokół tatuaży - tbc jaki temat dokładnie, jacy artyści i jaki model finansowania tego wydarzenia. 


Co dalej?

Zadania na najbliższy tydzień:

1. Napisać dobry opis forum, na ile jest to możliwe, żeby można się nim było dzielić w budowaniu partnerstw. 
2. Stworzyć listę organizacji, z którymi chcemy współpracować przy robieniu tego wydarzenia. Kto nas interesuje? Co mają do zaoferowania? Jak ich przyciągnąć?
3. Zrobienie ogłoszenia, które możemy opublikować w sieci, zapraszającego do udziału w OF i w evencie w ogóle. 
4. Zrobić listę potencjalnych miejsc (idealnie 2-3 sale, w tym jedna duża, i kuchnia, i może miejsce do chillowania i spotkań) i zacząć się z nimi kontaktować. 
5. Sprawdzić, ile kosztuje anon3213561856ering dla 100 osób (lunch i kolacja)



BONUS

Jaki rodzaj sytuacji jest nam potrzebny na Demakijażu? :) (zaczynamy myśleć!)"
2,58305,2019-08-23T13:12:04.386Z,10600,0,8,7,13,0,0,66.6,58304,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Super, dziękuję za podsumowanie! W temacie samotnych (wolę określenie samodzielnych) matek, to jak coś to organizowałem z kumpelą cykl darmowych warsztatów dla samodzielnych rodziców. 
Założyłem na fb zamkniętą grupę dla zespołu facylitatorów. Zachęciłem też społeczność POPowską do udzielania się w ramach treningu na naszym forum. Może dzięki temu dołączy do nas kilka osób."
3,58340,2019-08-25T12:47:34.118Z,10600,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,58304,anon1812918160,anon3593942245,"Dzięki Natalia za podsumowanie.
Zbadam sprawę cateringu i możliwości lokalowe:)"
4,58429,2019-08-27T06:54:56.472Z,10600,1,7,6,1,0,0,41.4,58304,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Jestem w kontakcie z pracowniczką Biura Recznika Praw Obywatelskich- może uda się załatwić tam lokal. Idę dziś na spotkanie ze Szkołą Liderów: https://www.szkola-liderow.pl/ Czuję, że może uda ich się włączyć do naszego projektu zarówno w kwestii uczestników platformy edgeryders jak i naszego wydarzenia.  Napisałem też do rzeczniczki akademicki akademickiej Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego ( robiłem z nią kiedyś wywiad o Dialogu) z nadzieją, że pomoże włączyć studentów...lub poradzi w kwestii lokalu (Biblioteka Uniwerystetu to też świetna lokalizacja)."
5,58430,2019-08-27T07:05:56.445Z,10600,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,58429,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Biblioteka jest mniej neutralna, nie wiem jak odbierać ją będą nieintelektualne środowiska - ale ufam Ci, nigdy nie mieszkałam w Warszawie. 

Na pewno nie może to być skłot ;)"
6,58432,2019-08-27T07:26:35.933Z,10600,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,58304,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,Wiesz na razie robimy rekonensans terenu- jeśli chodzi o uniwersytet to najbardziej zależałoby mi na studentach i ich włączeniu do dyskusji na edgeryders
7,58505,2019-08-28T07:47:29.614Z,10600,3,6,5,4,0,0,51.2,58432,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hejah! 

Byłem dziś na spotkaniu w szkole liderów: https://www.szkola-liderow.pl/ To organizacja, która wyławia i wspiera liderów społecznych i politycznych. Mają już ponad 4000 absolwentów! Chętnie nam pomogą. Po pierwsze napiszę do nich informację o naszych działaniach i zgodzili się rozesłać tę informację w swoim newsletterze i zachęcić wspoanon1235093333nych liderów do udziału w naszej platformie i evencie (podobno u nich to skuteczna forma komunikacji i ludzie reagują na newsletter)To powinno nam pomóc rozbuchać naszą platformę. Myślę, że szukanie innych organizacji to lepszy sposób niż szukanie poszczególnych rozmówców do historii, Zamieszczanie pojedynczych historii jest nieefektywne @anon
Dziewczyny ze Szkoły Liderów  nie raz organizowały już eventy w Warszawie i mówią, że może być trudno o lokal w Pałacu Kultury, ale polecają sprawidzić dwa następujące:
1. Przestrzeń from facebook: FB podobno wspiera takie inicjatywy i podobo fajnie tam jest. Może pomogliby nam też w reklamie? https://przestrzen.fb.com/pl/
2. Centrum kreatywności Targowa na Pradze- też podobno super miejce do sprawdzenia, również za za darmo i do dogadania http://firma.um.warszawa.pl/projekty/centrum-kreatywnosci-targowa-56/

Najbliższe zadania:
1. Jutro uderzam w te dwa miejsca, żeby zapytać o możliwości przyjęcia nas w listopadzie
2. Stworzyć informację do newslettera szkoły liderów.
3. Szukać kolejnych organizacji do współpracy

Uwagi które do mnie docierają: strona jest nie jasna i trochę staromodna. Ludzie podobno wchodzą i nie wiedzą o co tu chodzi. 


Pozdrawiam!"
8,58527,2019-08-28T13:38:58.801Z,10600,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,58505,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"To wiemy od dawna ale nie ma możliwości jej dramatycznego ulepszenia - w takiej konfiguracji robi to, co ma robić (badania) i spełnia rolę forum. Nie wiem, czy kiedykolwiek będzie wyglądała lepiej - ale starabieda.edgeryders.eu to nasza wizytówka na teraz, może trochę przyjaźniejsza na pierwszy kontakt?"
9,58529,2019-08-28T14:08:51.743Z,10600,0,6,5,1,0,0,21.2,58527,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,Tak http://starabieda.edgeryders.eu zdecydowanie wygląda najlepiej :)
10,58533,2019-08-28T14:27:47.109Z,10600,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,58505,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Newsletter wewnętrz środowiska szkoły liderów pójdzie:
1.  w opcji skromnej do 660 osób
2. w opcji pozytywnej i wypasionej nawet do kilku tysięcy. To zależy od tego na co zdecyduje się szkola liderów. Jeśli ktoś ze szkoły to czyta, to wielkie dzięki!!! 

Wierzę, że to da nam wiele nowych historii i dyskusji.

Wysłałem następującą informację na newsletter:

""Kochani Liderzy,

Zgłosiła się do nas Organizacja Edgeryders z prośbą o wsparcie. Edgeryders (think-tank Unii Europejskiej) prowadzi projekt, którego celem jest poznanie jakości życia w 

Europie, w tym w Polsce i przez to zrozumienie wyzwań z jakimi zanon1547754019 się obecnie nasz kraj. Chcielibyśmy Was prosić o wspracie tego projektu poprzez zostawianie swoich historii i udział w dyskusjach. Tutaj link do strony: https://wellbeing.edgeryders.eu/pl To dobra okazja, żeby skonfrontować się z odmiennymi punktami widzenia polskiej rzeczywistości. Znajdziecie tam działaczy, wyborców, oraz zwykłych obywateli wielu stron sceny polityczno-społecznej. Udział w platformie może być anonimowy.

Już po kilku miesiącach od rozpoczęcia projektu ujawnia się bardzo silna polaryzacja Polaków. Dlatego też elementem kulminacyjnym projektu będzie event listopadowy w Warszawie (20.11.2019) Jego główną część stanowić będzie Otwarte Forum dla Polaków, które poprowadzi Gary Reiss (US) oraz Bogna Szymkiewicz. Wydarzenie napędzane, przez Polskie Towarzystwo Psychologii Procesu jest w trakcie jest w trakcie tworzenia. Więcej szczegółów znajdziecie wkrótce na stronie Edgeryders. 
Thank You very much and stay tuned...for better Poland :)"""
11,58535,2019-08-28T15:03:56.661Z,10600,1,5,4,3,0,0,51.0,58533,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej, mam nadzieję, że ktoś to czyta ;) Jest taka propozycja, żeby już tworzyć wydarzenie na FB, żeby móc zacząć je promować. Pod Otwarte Forum w opisie dodamy, że jest to część naszego festiwalu i mają miejsce mniejsze wydarzenia towarzyszące. Stworzę wydarzenie. Zastanawiam się nad grafiką. Edgeryders będzie oczywiście  oznaczony jako jeden z organizatoró wydarzenia. Tekst wydarzenia będzie ulegał zanon1235093333nom, ale chodzi o to, żeby idea szła już w świat Proszę o sugestie.
Wysłałem formularz o lokal do https://przestrzen.fb.com/pl/  i czekam na odpowiedź

Miko"
12,58552,2019-08-29T09:21:48.151Z,10600,1,5,4,4,0,0,26.0,58535,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Możesz wrzucić draft tego tekstu jako kolejny post i popracujemy nad tym razem. Edgeryders oczywiście jest współorganizatorem, co do grafiki, przydałoby nam się coś fajnego - poszukam w grupie, kto to może zrobić."
13,58570,2019-08-29T14:23:27.545Z,10600,1,5,4,2,0,0,16.0,58552,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Festiwal Wspólna Sprawa / Otwarte Forum Społeczne 20.11.2019/Draft

Czy Polska to nasza wspólna sprawa? Czy stać nas na pogłębiający się podział naszego społeczeństwa?

Od wielu miesięcy jesteśmy świadkami toczącego się w Polsce poważnego kryzysu nie tylko politycznego, ale i społecznego.  Tak trudno jest nam się wzajemnie usłyszeć. 
Przypisujemy sobie nawzajem najgorsze cechy oraz intencje. Dochodzi do eskalacji, incydentów, w których zagrożone jest ludzkie życie. Już dawno nie byliśmy tak daleko 
od siebie. Demokracja wściekłości, pogardy i strachu ze wszystkich stron. To staje się nieznośne i jeśli czegoś z tym nie zrobimy, to zrobimy sobie krzywdę (a może już 
robimy?) Czy można coś z tym zrobić? Czy są jakieś wspólne wartości, które łączą nas wszystkich? My uważamy, że tak. Może warto ich poszukać wspólnie? Zapraszamy Was serdcznie na Festwiwal Wspólna Sprawa oraz towarzyszące mu Otwarte Forum Społeczne, które poprowadzi Gary Reiss (US)


Czym jest Otwarte Forum?
OF- metoda wynaleziona przez Arnolda Mindella, twórcę Psychologii Zorientowanej na Proces, pozwala skutecznie radzić sobie z trudnościami występującymi w społecznościach oraz umożliwia budowanie poczucia wspólnoty między jej członkami. Opiera się ona na koncepcji głębokiej demokracji, która zakłada, że dopiero ujawnienie WSZYSTKICH stanowisk istniejących w danej grupie umożliwia wypracowanie prawdziwie satysfakcjonujących rozwiązań jej problemów. Zadaniem osoby prowadzącej  spotkanie (facylitatora) jest przede wszystkim stworzenie przestrzeni, w której członkowie danej grupy mogliby przedstawić nie tylko swoje poglądy na daną kwestię, ale i uczucia, które ona wzbudza. Zadanie to wyanon1547754019 umiejętności dostrzegania najdrobniejszych sygnałów pojawiających się w grupie oraz odwagi podążania za tym, co się  wydarza w trakcie interakcji między uczestnikami spotkania.

Festiwal jest częścią projektu POPrebel by Edgeryders.

Plan festiwalu:

1.
2.
3.

Już teraz przygotowujemy tło pod nasze spotkanie. Wejdź na http://starabieda.edgeryders.eu Zostaw swoją historię i weź udział w ogólnopolskiej dyskusji na temat życia w Polsce. Nagradzamy najlepszych dyskutantów. 

Zapraszamy inne organizacje do wsparcia naszego wydarzenia.

Widzimy się wkrótce

Organizatorzy:
Eggeryders, Polskie Towarzystwo Psychologii Procesu,...

Wspierają nas: Szkoła Liderów..."
14,58601,2019-08-30T09:10:51.713Z,10600,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,58570,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Wysłałem zapytanie o lokal i wsparcie do Rzecznika Praw Obywatelskich:

Szanowna Pani,

20.11.2019 tego roku odbędzie się całodniowy Festiwal Wspólna Sprawa (organizowane przez Edgeryders- think tank Unii Europejskiej) i związane z nim otwarte Forum Społeczne dla Polaków zasilane przez Polskie Towarzystwo Psychologii Procesu. Zamierzamy zgłosić się do mediów, zaprosić jak najwięcej stron trwającego konfliktu społecznego, także tych o dość ekstremalnych poglądach na nasze społeczeństwo. Celem takiego spotkania jest próba usłyszenia się nawzajem mimo różnicy zdań. To będzie event na ok 100 osób. Otwarte Forum porpowadzi dr Gary Reiss- międzynarodowej  sławy facylitator społeczny i psychoterapeuta. OF będą towarzyszyły pomniejsze wydarzenia.

W związku z tym mam następujące pytania:

1. Czy byłaby możliwość nieodpłatnego użyczenia przestrzeni konferencyjej BRPO? Czy poza salą konferencyją są jakieś inne pomieszczenia, które BRPO zgodziłoby się udostępnić? Np. na mniejsze warsztaty.

2. Czy BRPO, nie chciałoby dołączyć się w jakiś sposób do organizacji tak sensownego przedsięwzięcia jakim jest poszukiwanie wspólnego głosu wśród Polaków?

Oto Czym jest Otwarte Forum: https://edgeryders.eu/t/otwarte-forum-wspolna-sprawa-warszawa-20-11-2019/10621

Pozdrawiam se"
15,58611,2019-08-30T12:47:59.026Z,10600,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,58304,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Super, podsumowanie tygodnia:

1. badamy lokale - póki co bez sukcesu z żadnej strony. Moglibyście zrobić listę lokali, z którymi się kontaktujecie i ją update'ować, w formie postu może? 

Stworzyłam miejsce na to tutaj: https://edgeryders.eu/t/lista-organizacji-i-lokali-wellbeing-listopad-warszawa/10647

2. czy mamy gdzieś scenatralizowaną listę org, z którymi chcemy działać? Możemy wrzucić ją do posta z lokalami i mieć scentralizowaną bazę

Mamy wstępny opis, jakieś wyobrażenie nt anon3213561856eringu i pracujemy nad ogłoszeniem (odpowiedzialna: @anon1812918160 )"
16,58629,2019-08-30T18:26:23.191Z,10600,0,5,4,1,0,0,36.0,58304,anon1812918160,anon3593942245,"Hej,
planuję ogłoszenie na ngo.pl, które będzie zachęcało do współtworzenia wydarzenia na zasadzie wolontariackiej. Oczywiście przed wysłaniem dam Wam do akceptacji i ewentualnej korekty.

Zajmuję się też cateringiem. Póki co skontaktowałam się z menadżerką Jaskółki (baaardzo fajne wege/wegan miejsce na Żoliborzu). Czekam na odzew, ale obawiam się, że 2000PLN to trochę mało na 100 osób. Czy coś dodatkowego udałoby się ewentualnie wyszarpać na catering?

Rozumiem też, że jeśli będzie opcja wspólnego gotowania to rezygnujemy z cateringu całkiem albo zostajemy przy czymś drobnym typu zimne przekąski?

Z najnowszych pomysłów:
- prawoczłowiecze tatuaże (pomysł Natalii)
- warsztat o niepełnosprawności - wspóltworzyłam go z Kasią Bierzanowską (inicjatywa Pełnoprawna - polecam zobaczyć na FB, super sprawa) i Piotrkiem Skrzypczakiem z HF, mogłabym go współprowadzić za free, anon616153527 lub Piotr pewnie zgodziliby się za jakąś sensowną stawkę. Warsztat jest naprawdę spoko, bardzo dużo sama dowiedziałam się dzięki niemu jeśli chodzi o tematykę związaną z niepełnosprawnością. Trwa ok 3-4h.
- joga? znam super instruktorkę, która właśnie wróciła do Polski po latach spędzonych w Norwegii.
- Natalia podała też pomysł imprezki na zakończenie eventu. Może spektakl? Mam znajomych, którzy robią zaangażowany teatr, mogłabym podpytać jak to wygląda cenowo, chociaż już sama się waham czy to nie zbyt wiele atrakcji jak na jeden dzień :slight_smile:"
17,58652,2019-09-02T07:11:16.909Z,10600,0,5,4,1,0,0,36.0,58304,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,Jak festiwal to festiwal! Niech będzie dużo atrakcji:) Może teatr impro z tematem wspólnota lub coś takiego?
18,58670,2019-09-02T11:37:25.119Z,10600,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,58505,anon750699873,anon2693311786,"Szkoła Liderów jest best, brałam udział w ich lokalnych wydarzeniach na miejscu u siebie :)"
19,58671,2019-09-02T11:40:37.084Z,10600,2,5,4,1,0,0,46.0,58304,anon750699873,anon3593942245,"Hej, co do pytania @anon"
20,58856,2019-09-06T07:58:07.414Z,10600,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,58671,anon2693311786,anon750699873,AlaAl doskonały pomysł. Wypalenie dotyka wielu aktywistów...
21,58866,2019-09-06T11:26:13.651Z,10600,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,58671,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"Hej, podoba mi się twoja propozycja Ala.
Z mojego doświadczenia wynika, że bardziej intymna konfiguracja zapewni uczestnikom wyraźniejszą wartość dodaną niż wydarzenie na 100. Jest to nie tylko bardziej znaczące, ale także bardziej opłacalne. Jeśli staniesz się widoczny dla siebie i swojej osobistej historii podczas wysyłania zaproszenia, będzie to anon1235093333ło znaczenie. Ciekawi ludzie przyciągają ciekawszych ludzi :-)

@anon2693311786: W 2012 roku, kiedy Edgeryders był projektem Rady Europy, próbowaliśmy również dotrzeć do dużych sieci młodzieżowych (European Youth Forum). Jaki był rezultat? Nigdy nie przyszli, po prostu nie zapewniało wystarczającej ilości nagród materialnych.
Nie zdziw się, jeśli w odpowiedzi na zaproszenie zapadnie cisza (myślę, że gdzieś na forum przeczytałem, że nie zareagowali).
Jeśli masz dobrego gościa - jak możesz powiązać to, co ma do zaoferowania, z korzyścią dla uczestników? To nie jest tak naprawdę jasne z zaproszenia. To tylko informacja zwrotna i zachęta! Nie przestawaj próbować różnych rzeczy!"
1,58476,2019-08-27T15:04:10.702Z,10629,0,9,8,6,0,0,76.8,58476,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej hej:)

Chciałabym podzielić się z wami informacją o wirutalnej kawiarence - spotkaniu online z członkami naszej społeczności i ciekawymi gośćmi, z którymi będziemy poruszali ważne, drażliwe, ciekawe tematy. Jeśli chcecie zaproponować nam jakiś temat lub gościa, napiszcie o tym w komentarzu. 

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Zapraszamy was do godzinnego spotkania online z Paulą Wawrzyńczyk (eduanon3213561856orka seksualna, Ponton, PL/Brook Charity, UK) @anon2734079508, Natalią Skoczylas (aktywistka, działaczka kulturalna) i Joanną Bednarczyk (feministka, filmoznawczyni) @anon1812918160, podczas którego rozmawiali/ły będziemy o edukacji seksualnej w Polsce. O tym, jak ona teraz wygląda. O tym, jak powinna wyglądać - zdaniem jej przeciwników i zwolenników. O tym, po co w ogóle jest ona potrzebna. Będzie to otwarta dyskusja - zapraszamy was do przygotowania pytań, na które spróbujemy razem znaleźć pytania. 

Zapraszamy wszystkich zainteresowanych tych tematem - matki, ojców, babcie i dziadków, chłopaków i dziewczyny, nauczycielki i anon3213561856echetki. 

Wirtualne kawiarenki to część projeku Edgeryders, w ramach którego badamy samopoczucie Polaków. Prowadzimy te rozmowy na wybrane przez nas - i przez was - tematy. 

Jak wziąć udział w kawiarence? Zarejestruj się tutaj: https://zoom.us/meeting/register/e67975f4aa9aae0a8c34be5db4a05ad8"
2,58745,2019-09-03T20:17:57.173Z,10629,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,58476,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,I jak i jak?
1,56990,2019-07-22T14:38:47.574Z,10399,1,15,14,2,0,0,63.0,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"<image here> 
 

Drodzy jadący po bandzie,

Chciałbym w ramach eventu listopadowego zaproponować otwarte forum (OF). To rodzaj pracy grupowej, w której spotykają się różne, najczęściej zwaśnione opcje (polityczne, kulturowe, światopoglądowe etc) i facylitatorzy usiłują pomóc tym grupom znaleźć drogę do rozmowy. To jedno z najważniejszych narzędzi Psychologii Zorientowanej na Proces w pracy z grupami. Tutaj krótkie info czym jest OF (trzeba wczucić w translator):
https://akadeanon1235093333pop.org/alekanon311920576-raczynska-otwarte-forum/
Dwie z trzech osób zgodziły już się z nami wstępnie współpracować. Jestem w trakcie pytania Garego Reissa, uznanego facylitatora, czy zgodziłby się to poprowadzić. Tutaj link: https://garyreiss.com/
Chciałbym zaprosić do współpracy Warszawę, bo to będzie wydarzenie ,o miejmy nadzieję, dużym rozgłosie. Od anon1235093333sta oczekiwałbym reklamy i dobrego miejsca za darmo pod wydarzenie. Im szybciej uda nam się ustalić budżet i inne szczegóły, tym lepiej :) W związku z tym moje pytanie brzmi, ile mamy kasy na event i dlaczego tak mało? :) 
Do współpracy zaprosiłem wstępnie towarzystwo psychologii procesu, której jestem czynnym członkiem :D Wstepnie wyraziło się bardzo entuzjastycznie. 
Dajcie znać co o tym myślicie

Edgerider Mikołaj :)"
2,57012,2019-07-23T10:15:32.805Z,10399,0,13,12,1,0,0,37.6,56990,anon2446385507,anon2693311786,"Cześć Miko, dzięki za pomysły.

Myślę, że to wspaniałe, że znalazłeś metodologię (Open Forum), w której ludzie mogą się spotkać i zgodzić się na nie zgadzanie się. To klucz do uczciwych rozmów. Jak sądzisz, że ten format może wspierać transfer rozmowy online? Poprzez nagrania, udostępnianie notatek lub w inny sposób?

Uzgodnisz szczegóły z @anon
Ale chciałem podzielić się z wami informacjami o tym, jak zbudowaliśmy te wydarzenia społecznościowe w przeszłości. Nie wiem, ile wiesz o tym, co zrobiliśmy i co okaże się przydatne, więc oto jest.

Imprezy wspólnotowe to więcej warsztatów niż konferencji. 
Są nieformalne, intymne i dają ludziom szansę na prawdziwe mówienie i wzajemne zaufanie.
#nospectators: wszyscy uczestniczą.
Wydarzenia społeczności Edgeryders są bardzo dobrze udokumentowane.

Możesz przeczytać o tym formacie tutaj:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/workshop-design-lessons-from-thessaloniki/5843
Wielka historia tego, jak to działało w Brukseli:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/opencare-workshop-brussels-a-symposium/508

Wszystko to oznacza, że rozanon1235093333r wydarzenia, komunikacja i reklama będą ważnymi wyborami, ale zależą one od strategii dotarcia do ludzi, do których chcemy dotrzeć.

PS Mój komentarz został przetłumaczony z angielskiego na polski za pomocą google. Proszę wybaczyć błędy!"
3,57062,2019-07-24T08:41:02.735Z,10399,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,56990,anon781457888,anon2693311786,"Cześć Mikołaj

Dzięki za to myślę, że to interesujące podejście. Myślę, że może to bardzo dobrze współpracować z niektórymi dodatkowymi elementami projektu i procesem, który przywiązuje tak dużą wagę do tego, co dzieje się przed i po fizycznym zgromadzeniu, jak na samym fizycznym spotkaniu.

Nie wiem, czy Nat wyjaśnił, że celem wydarzeń fizycznych jest zaangażowanie ludzi w aktywny udział w tej platformie internetowej. Wyanon1547754019 to powtarzających się interakcji w czasie, aby budować znaczące relacje i dzielić się wiedzą, którą możemy przełożyć na działanie. W społeczności rozproszonej geograficznie możemy to robić tylko online na platformie, której ufamy.

Oznacza to, że projektujemy proces tego, co się dzieje, przed i podczas oraz po fizycznym zgromadzeniu, mając na uwadze ten jeden cel: online przed offline.

Porozmawiajmy z Natalią, aby zobaczyć, jak możemy ją dobrze dostosować, aby działała z naszą metodologią

Witaj w drużynie :)"
4,57432,2019-08-01T13:45:55.498Z,10399,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"
Hej, rozumiem już, że nie chodzi tylko o zebranie historii, ale o zebranie społeczności online. Myślę teraz, że w takim razie najsensowniej będzie szukać do historii ludzi, którzy w jakiś sposób są już zaangażowani w jakieś działania, którzy już aktywnie zmieniają otoczenie. To, przypuszczam, wyklucza w  w takim razie osoby przypadkowe i przypadkowe historie. Osoby, z którymi dotychczas anon1235093333łem do czynienia raczej nie wyrażały chęci dalszego angażowania się w debatę., np. dlatego, że chciały pozostać anonimowe. Natalia aktywnie przekazuje nam wszelkie koordynaty i staram się je wprowadzać. Dotychczas faktycznie skupiałem się głównie na wywiadach, ale zaczynam już rozumieć o co biega. Pozdrawiam :)"
5,57433,2019-08-01T13:53:30.254Z,10399,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,57432,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Gdybys jeszcze nam napisal jak opowiadales tym osobom o projekcie, mozemy tez pomyslec jak zmienic narracje, zeby anon1235093333la ona wieksza szanse przyciagniecia ludzi do nas. @anon781457888 @anon2446385507"
6,57434,2019-08-01T13:56:22.150Z,10399,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,57433,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Wiem na pewno ze informacja o nagrodach 200 eur byla obecna od dawna i to nie poanon1547754019, choc nie wiem dlaczego. Byc moze sa to osoby niesanon1235093333le? Nieprzyzwyczajone do wyrazania opinii online w zupelnie obcych miejscach? Albo nie mamy jeszcze jasnosci co do tego, co daje im takie uzewnetrznianie sie na platformie, na ktorej nikogo nie znaja?"
7,57471,2019-08-02T09:33:58.523Z,10399,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Myślę, że kluczowy jest dobór rozmówców. Nie koncentrowałem się dotychczas na ich potencjalnej obecności w społeczności, tylko na nich samych, na ich historii/opowieści/poglądach. Teraz wiedząc, że to jest dla nas kluczowe, postaram się bardziej zapraszająco wchodzić w interakcję z rozmówcami, tym bardziej, że w historiach powoli wychodzi właśnie brak wspólnotowości (kto pamięta mój pierwszy post? https://edgeryders.eu/t/budujmy-wspolnoty/10052
Zatem szukam osób, którym leży na sercu społeczność, robią coś w tym celu i gotowi są (w różnym stopniu) zaangażować się w dyskusję na temat naszej wspólnej przyszłości. Wspominałem o 200euro, ale nie był jakoś szczególnie ważnych element zachęcania. Pozdrowienia!"
8,57472,2019-08-02T09:45:57.377Z,10399,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"...inna sprawa, że jesteśmy w środku sezonu urlopowego :D"
9,57749,2019-08-08T09:35:08.580Z,10399,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,57471,anon2446385507,anon2693311786,"Uczymy tego cały czas podczas szkolenia z zarządzania społecznością:

W budowaniu społeczności pieniądze są nagrodą, a nie zachętą!

Ludzie dołączają się z różnych powodów, z których jednym jest łączenie się z innymi. Dlatego muszą być narażeni na ciekawe historie. Mam nadzieję, że wszyscy lepiej zrozumiemy, jak to zrobić, w miesiącach przygotowujących festiwal."
10,57763,2019-08-08T13:39:00.916Z,10399,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Tak, staram się jak możg narażać  ;) ludzi na dobre historie. 
Co do wydarzenia: moja znajoma pracuje w Szkole Liderów. To organizacja finansowana przez Polsko-Amerykańską Fundację Wolności, która zrzesza działaczy społecznych, politycznych etc. Myślę, że świetnym pomysłem byłoby nawiązanie z nią współpracy w celu zebrania histoii i osóba na event.... 
Kumpela wraca za dwa tygodnie i będą ją męczyć. Wstępnie wyraziła zainteresowanie. Apropos Otwartego Forum: Gary roważa 20 listopada, czyli nie przestaszył go nasz budżet... Jesteśmy na fali. 
Uściski +"
11,58110,2019-08-19T11:31:07.266Z,10399,1,6,5,1,0,0,41.2,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Witajcie po krótkiej przerwie. Gary Reiss https://garyreiss.com/ zgodził się poprowadzić 20.11 nasze Otwarte Forum. To wielka wiadomość dla Polski i dla Świata ;) Hahaha. Polskie Towarzystwo Psychologii Procesu poprosiło mnie o ogarnięcie tego organizacyjnie. Teraz można zająć się zbieraniem zespołu (bardzo liczę, że Bogna Szymkiewicz-Kowalska będzie mogła nas także  poprowadzić) do przeprowadzenia forum i z największą przyjemnością się tym zajmę (mój entuzjazm można tłumaczyć wieloma czynnikami, ale to kiedyś na osobności :) Przygotowanie samego forum, poza kwestiami stricte logistycznymi, to właśnie odpowiedni zespół, który musi się 1. zebrać (myślałem takżę o wystosowaniu zaproszenia do drugiej szkoły psychologii procesu) 2. przeprowadzić indywidualny wewnętrzny oraz grupowy proces. 3.  zgrać. Już dziś zacznę. 
@anon"
12,58128,2019-08-19T14:24:08.785Z,10399,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,58110,anon2446385507,anon2693311786,"388/5000

Wow Miko, wygląda na to, że połączyłeś swoją pracę z możliwością spotkania się z ekspertem lub mentorem i nauki. Myślę, że to jest świetne.

Solidarność, co za mocne słowo. Wygląda na to, że jest to jego współczesna wersja, a nie znaczenie tego słowa z lat 80. Czy mam rację? Czy uważasz, że istnieje sposób, aby sformułować go tak, aby nie był zbyt antysystemowy, a także przypomnienie czasów komunistycznych i ruchów dysydenckich itp.?"
13,58137,2019-08-19T15:47:57.379Z,10399,1,6,5,1,0,0,26.2,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Hej anon2649858692mi, masz całkowitą słuszność. Będziemy szukać w zespole zadaniowym odpowiednich słów, aby spróbować stworzyć przestrzeń dla możliwie największego spektrum poglądów. Mówiąc o solidarności oczywiście nie mam na myśli wyłącznie inicjatywy politycznej powstałej 1980, a bardziej idei. Odnoszenie się wprost do Solidarności z czasu przeanon1235093333n byłoby strzałem w stopę, bo jak wskazują moi rozmówcy, te idee zostały roztrwonione... Może właśnie ""wspólnota"" to dobry kierunek..."
14,58147,2019-08-20T07:14:29.148Z,10399,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,58137,anon2446385507,anon2693311786,"Tak. Solidarność wspólnotowa, wzajemna pomoc. Coś w tym stylu."
15,58215,2019-08-21T10:48:29.950Z,10399,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,58147,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"Następny krok: skoro już mamy datę i gościa, trzeba zacząć myśleć o innych rzeczach, które wydarzą się tego dnia, i napisac opis tego forum. Czy @anon2693311786 mógłbyś to zrobić w kolejnych dniach? Będzie nam wtedy łatwiej zacząć myśleć o tym, jak to promować i zorganizować. Proponuje,żebyś utworzył nowy temat w tym celu i napisał opis forum. 

Wyobrażam sobie, że będzie coś musiało być o kobietach w Polsce - edukacji seksualnej, byciu matką, zatrudnieniu. Jakiś rodzaj forum, spotkania, warsztatu - bo jest naprawdę sporo dobrych kobiecych historii już na platformie. Może @anon750699873 da się zaangażować :) Pogadamy z resztą o tym w piątek z @anon1812918160 

Jeśli chodzi o miejscówkę, to czy będzie to w waszym stowarzyszeniu, czy o tym jeszcze musimy myśleć?"
16,58220,2019-08-21T13:19:32.841Z,10399,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,58215,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Hej, chętnie się za to wezmę. Nasze towarzystwo nie dysponuje własną przestrzenią. Miejsce będzie trzeba znaleźć. Chciałbym, aby nam je za darmo udostępniobno w jakimś symbolicznym dla naszego społeczeństwa miesjcu. Działania grupy roboczej facylitatorów zaczną sie w drugiej połowie września, czyli po sezonie urlopowym, kiedy to zorganizujemy pierwsze spotkanie.  Jeśli chodzi o nazwę forum to pojawiły się pierwsze propozycje, które będą jak najbardziej neutrealne, włączające i nie wykluczające, jak np. ""Wspólna sprawa?""  W ogole najbardziej niesamowite jest to, że wszystko się zaczyna klarować w anon1235093333rę rozwoju akcji..."
17,58222,2019-08-21T13:24:24.550Z,10399,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,58220,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Dobra, daj znać, jak mogę pomóc z czymkolwiek - z uzyskaniem miejsca, napisaniem czegoś. Może jakiś szybki grant od anon1235093333sta by się udało też dostać na rozdmuchanie formatu?"
18,58226,2019-08-21T13:54:02.928Z,10399,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,56990,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Just to sum up:

For Poland, we already have a date set (20 of November) and a partnership with one institution. Next steps are to find a venue and create an event and start advertising it and inviting people to offer their sessions. 

I would probably want to invite @anon4072339719 and @anon750699873 to join us and lead some of the sessions - if they're available on that date. It's an open format, so anything goes, really. I think it would be also a great chance for us to meet and see if we can figure out a way for you, ladies, to continue your incredible work, as I know you both need some support at the moment. I'd be happy to use this opportunity.

From other stories, maybe @anon2693311786 could point out a person or two, maybe from the other side, who could take over a session? If we have a bit of a program already, the rest will follow :slight_smile:

@anon2649858692mi and @anon

@anon4110936133, would you be able to join us on that day? And maybe you can suggest someone who could be a great person to have with us?"
19,58254,2019-08-22T09:08:42.601Z,10399,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,58226,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Nadia or myself will be there for sure, to support you with anything you need,

@anon2693311786: 
Czy warto znaleźć nowe nazwy wydarzenia?

Promocja będzie obejmować udostępnianie linków do platformy i tej nowej strony docelowej: http://starabieda.edgeryders.eu
Może tematem może być solidarność lub dobro wspólne, ale zachowaj nazwę wydarzenia związanego z terminologią, której już używamy?
To tylko pomysł. W końcu to będzie twoja decyzja. Wiem, że ludzie i tak są zdezorientowani, więc im bardziej zmniejszamy ryzyko, tym lepiej."
20,58270,2019-08-22T12:39:26.266Z,10399,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,56990,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,Maybe we just keep it at Starabieda as a main title and then a question/explainer as a subtitle?
21,58486,2019-08-27T19:38:40.019Z,10399,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,56990,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,Przekleiłem do Wątku: Wspólna sprawa planujemy wydarzenie
22,58600,2019-08-30T09:05:01.322Z,10399,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,58486,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,Hej @anon
23,58608,2019-08-30T12:04:17.680Z,10399,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,58600,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Tak, propozycja :)"
1,56951,2019-07-22T07:28:23.900Z,10394,0,11,10,19,0,0,112.2,56951,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Razem z @anon1812918160 i @anon2693311786 opracowaliśmy listę kawiarenek, które chcielibyśmy prowadzić. 

1. Edukacja seksualna w Polsce - dla kogo, jaka i czy w ogóle jest potrzebna? 2nd of September

2. Nowi sąsiedzi - jak doświadczamy obecności Ukraińców w Polsce? 9th of September

3. Polska po skandalach pedofilskich - i jak teraz z naszą wiarą? 16th of September

4. A Twoja emerytura? Przygotowania do starości/nie mam planów. 23th of September

Tu jest lista propozycji i dat. Przygotuję też krótkie opisy, których możemy potem użyć do promowania tych wydarzeń. Decyzja o rozpoczęciu ich we wrześniu wynika z tego, że wszyscy będą teraz na wakacjach. 

@anon"
2,57096,2019-07-24T14:40:18.551Z,10394,1,9,8,1,0,0,41.8,56951,anon1812918160,anon3593942245,"Super, bardzo fajne tematy.
Też jestem za tym, żeby ruszyć od września. Teraz faktycznie kontakt z wieloma osobami jest utrudniony ze względu na wyjazdy wczasowe.

Pozdrawiam :)))"
3,57114,2019-07-24T16:55:47.073Z,10394,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,57096,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"Tematy i kalendarz wyglądają naprawdę dobrze!
Daj mi znać, jak mogę pomóc.

Polecam korzystanie z kawiarni w celu promowania treści z dyskusji online, linkowania do opowiadań itp.
I podczas każdego połączenia wyjaśnij ludziom, dlaczego powinni uczestniczyć w rozmowie online i Festiwalu. To, co dzieje się podczas rozmowy, trwa po."
4,57871,2019-08-12T15:02:12.637Z,10394,1,7,6,1,0,0,26.4,56951,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Here are the fb events:

Sex ed: https://www.facebook.com/events/338708110372038/

Ukrainian migration: https://www.facebook.com/events/451361845445665/

Religia: https://www.facebook.com/events/1770513476427374/

emerytura: https://www.facebook.com/events/2415433215391047/

Wszelkie zanon1235093333ny w tekście zaproszeń na poszczególne kawiarenki mile widziane - @anon1812918160 i @anon"
5,58534,2019-08-28T14:30:25.611Z,10394,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,57871,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,Allright jesteśmy z @anon1812918160 dogadani w tej sprawie
1,57777,2019-08-09T06:45:08.661Z,10516,1,11,10,11,0,0,77.2,57777,anon2615322413,anon2615322413,"![Wyspia%C5%84ski_Motherhood|432x599](upload://sxoELFTaR2wcdizYkolUMgHUSLH.png) 
Wyspiański ""Macierzyństwo""


_**Koszty życia i bycia pracującą matką w Polsce**_

Mam prawie 36 lat. Jestem mamą dwójki dzieci. Prowadzę działalność gospodarczą z przymusu, nie z wyboru, ponieważ pracuję w szkole językowej, która nie zatrudnia na etat, tylko wyanon1547754019 albo innego zatrudnienia albo samozatrudnienia z uwagi na koszty pracownicze. To jest trudne dla pracowników, bo całe koszty ZUSu spadają nam na głowę. Zarabiamy od października do czerwca, czyli na cały okres wakcyjny musimy odłożyć sobie pieniądze, żeby przetrwać. 

Ja akurat jestem w takiej sytuacji, że mam kredyt na mieszkanie, a ZUS i podatek też nie jest niski niestety. Kredyt wynosi co miesiąc 1 300 zł, plus ok. 1 300 ZUS i ok. 800 zł – podatek. Nie mówiąc już o czynszu za mieszkanie i dodatkowych opłatach różnych. Miesięcznie mam około 4000 zł stałych kosztów miesięcznie. Koszty gazu dzielimy z małżonkiem, ale ponieważ mieszkanie jest na mnie, więc ja ponoszę koszty mieszkania. On oczywiście dokłada się do życia, do zakupów i spraw bieżących. A i jeszcze ubezpieczenie na samochód. Także kosztów jest sporo. Myślę, że nie zarabiam mało, ale tak w przeliczeniu na wszystkie miesiące w roku, to nie jest super pensja, biorąc też pod uwagę nakład pracy. 

Praca, poza byciem aktywną w godzinach pracy, wyanon1547754019 ode mnie bardzo dużo przygotowań. W momencie, w którym pojawiły się dzieci, to robi się kłopotliwe. Często zarywam noce, często jestem niewyspana. Odkąd starszy syn poszedł do przedszkola, a nie było jeszcze córki, to było prostsze, bo anon1235093333łam przedpołudnia dla siebie. W tym roku, kiedy córka skończy osiem miesięcy, wracam do pracy z myślą o tym, żeby odłożyć pieniądze. Teraz mam zasiłek macierzyński - ok. 7 000 zł miesięcznie. Wtedy była taka możliwość, że można było zapłacić jedną wysoką i od razu wchodziło się na ten próg wysokiej wypłaty. Bez tego wysokiego zasiłku nie wiem czy zdecydowałabym się na drugie dziecko. Mimo tego, że mam poczucie stabilnej sytuacji finansowej, koszty są gigantyczne. Mąż rozwija swoją firmę i ma duże nakłady finansowe. To sprawia, że nie odkładamy dużo w trakcie roku. Cały czas w coś inwestujemy, on uzbraja swoją firmę. Często było tak, że musiałam sobie dodawać grupy. Pracowałam w szkole z 6 grupami, a potem okazywało się, że ledwo łączy nam się budżet, więc dołożyłam sobie dwie grupy. Miałam osiem grup w skrajnym czasie. To było bardzo duże obciążenie. Wtedy w ogóle nie anon1235093333łam czasu dla siebie, bo i weekendy i przedpołudnia i czas po pracy do 21:00 poświęcałam wyłącznie na pracę. 

Teraz teoretycznie jestem na urlopie macierzyńskim, który nie ma z urlopem nic wspólnego, bo piorę, sprzątam, organizuję wszystko co można zorganizować. Chociaż ostatnio postawiłam się i raz na dwa tygodnie przychodzi do nas pani, która poanon1547754019 mi sprzątać, bo nie ogarniam góry prania. Pozwalam sobie na taki luksus. Mąż opiekuje się dziećmi wtedy kiedy może, np.: rano przed pracą, jeśli idzie na późniejszą godzinę, to przejmuje córkę, żebym mogła odespać. W nocy ja ją karmię i budzę się do niej. On codziennie odwozi syna do przedszkola. Kiedy wcześniej kończy też odbiera go z przedszkola. Doraźnie poanon1547754019 nam moja mama, jeśli jest taka potrzeba. Wcześniej poanon1547754019ła nam regularnie: przychodziłą dwa razy w tygodniu i opiekowała się dzieckiem. Na razie system pracy popołudniowej jest dla mnie idealny.  Mogę być z dzieckiem rano i spędzam z nim czas, a po południu już ktoś możę się dziećmi zająć. Bardzo zależało mi na tym, żeby nie oddawać dzieci pod opiekę osobom trzecim – nianiom, bo znam przypadki totalnych wtop, jeśli chodzi o opiekunki. To jest dla mnie zbyt istotny temat, żeby tak po prostu oddać dziecko komuś obcemu. Dlatego ten system pracy mi odpowiada. Problem zacznie się teraz, gdy syn pójdzie do przedszkola, ja będę już aktywna zawodowo. W tamtym roku byłam na zwolnieniu w trakcie roku, a w tym syn pójdzie rano do przedszkola, ja być może będę go odbierała, żeby spędzić z nim chwilę. Po czym będę jechała do szkoły i wracała późnym wieczorem, żeby położyć córkę spać. I w tym momencie praktycznie nie widuję się z własnym synem. Na szczęście mam teraz możliwość pracować z czterema grupami, czyli tak jakby na pół etatu, więc będę wcześniej kończyła. Ale kiedy ta praca zrobi się pełnoetatowa, będzie duży problem. Mam mnóstwo hobby, których na razie nie realizuję ze względu na dzieci, ale nie mam też z tego powodu żalu, bo są najważniejsze dla mnie i marzyłam o nich całe życie. Aczkolwiek mam wielokrotnie poczucie wypalenia macierzyńskiego i mimo tego, że mąż współuczestniczy – nie chcę używać słowa poanon1547754019 – on uczestniczy w wychowaniu dzieci, jednak 90% obowiązków spada na mnie. Z własnego wyboru karmię piersią, bo anon1235093333łam zagrożoną laktację, a wywalczyłam ją ponownie świadomie. Córka jest taką osobą, kóra wyanon1547754019 mamy. I kiedy zostaje z kimś na dłużej niż godzinę, to jest histeria. Siłą rzeczy jestem z nią non stop. Po czterech miesiącach to zaczyna być trochę męczące. 

**_Praca, pasja, zasiłki_** 

Marzy mi się wypad ze znajomymi nad jezioro czy na narty bez poczucia winy czy też powrót do biegania. Raz byłam nawet biegać. Po czym okazało się, że córka zachorowała i obie trafiłyśmy do szpitala – ja wycieńczona, ona wycieńczona. Nie anon1235093333łam siły na bieganie. Bieganie może być o 21, kiedy dziecko już zaśnie, co nie jest do końca komfortowe. Teraz jest widno, ale zdarzyło mi się biegać po 22. Czuję lęk jako kobieta, czuję się zagrożona, biegnąc wieczorem ulicą. Słyszałam historie z Polski. Osobiście nie anon1235093333łam takiej sytuacji, żeby ktoś mnie gonił albo nastraszył, ale to jest taka asekuracja z mojej strony. Takie uczucuie jako kobiecie mi towarzyszy. Wolę biegać w dzień, a nie w nocy. Po 8 miesiącach wracam do pracy głównie z powodów finansowych, żeby trochę odłożyć i żeby później było nam łatwiej.

Poza zasiłkiem macierzyńskim, raz korzystałam ze wsparcia państwa. Byłam przez chwilę zarejestrowana jako osoba bezrobotna w chwili mojego zawrotu życiowego. Po tym jak rozstałam się z ówczesnm partnerem, wróciłam z Katowic, gdzie anon1235093333łam cudowną pracę, w której łączyłam anglistykę i psychologię. Straciłam wszelkie źródła dochodu. Przestałam też być wtedy ubezpieczona. Dlatego zarejestrowałam się jako bezrobotna. Nie należał mi się zasiłek. Potem zatrudniłam się w prywatnym przedszkolu, gdzie pracowałam przedpołudniami, a popołudniami - w szkole językowej. Wtedy nie musiałam prowadzić działalności gospodarczej. To było idealne, ale nie w momencie, gdy ma się rodzinę, bo wtedy nie było mnie w domu od 8:00-21:00. Funkcjonowałam tak przez 4 lata - jeszcze przed mężem i dziećmi. Dzięki temu zdobyłam zdolność kredytową i kupiłam mieszkanie, wyremontowałam je, zdobyłam doświadczenie zawodowe. Zrobiłam wtedy różne kursy, m.in. kurs trenerski. Mam większą samoświadomość, na pewno kontakty rozległe i praktykę zawodową. Te cztery lata harówy dały mi też takie poczucie, że jak się dobrze zorganizuję, to mogę dużo z siebie wycisnąć. Miałam taki jeden bardzo aktywny rok. Poza tym, że rano pracowałam w przedszkolu,  popołudniami - w szkole językowej, dawałam korepetycje. Co drugi weekend anon1235093333łam zjazdy w szkole trenerów organizacji pozarządowych. A w maju koleżanka zapytała czy nie chciałabym pomóc jej w organizacji parady Schumana w Warszawie z okazji oobchodów przystąpienia do Unii Europejskiej. Miałam tylko prowadzić warsztaty dla grupy z Turcji, po czym okazało się, że jeszcze robię tłumaczenie i tysiąc innych rzeczy. Wtedy to już naprawdę nie spałam w ogóle. Przypłaciłam to zdrowiem, bo anon1235093333łam stan przedzawałowy. Trafiłam do szpitala.  Na szczęście wtedy byłam u rodziców, a nie sama. To był taki sygnał od organizmu, że to tyle jeśli chodzi o aktywność i zmęczenie. Miałam wrzucić na luz, ale nie wyszło. Zabrała mnie karetka i byłam na SOR (przyp.: Szpitalny Oddział Ratunkowy). Miałam EKG, badania krwi. Spędziłam noc w szpitalu, ale nie stwierdzono zawału i na drugi dzień wypisano mnie do domu z zaleceniem oszczędzania się. Potem anon1235093333łam założony holter. Był mega śmierdzący, po osobie, która go dopiero zdjęła i nie zmieniono pasków. Gdy przyjechałam go zdjąć okazało się, że coś nie zadziałało w trakcie odczytu i całe badanie wzięło w łeb. Panie nie mogły go odczytać. Potem okazało się, że wszystko zostało skasowane bezpowrotnie, ponieważ kadra zgrywająca nie była przygotowana. Pani pytała mnie jak coś zrobić. Jak chciałam ponownie zrobić badanie, trzeba było czekać kolejne dwa miesiące, bo holter był już zarezerwowany dla kolejnej osoby. 
	
Po ostatnim porodzie anon1235093333łam zapalenie piersi, które nie było odpowiednio prowadzone. Moja ginekolog doradziła mi wyciskanie mleka na siłę. To było już w stanie ostrym. Najpierw nie dobrano mi antybiotyku, bo był za słaby. Trzy razy odnawiał się stan zapalny. W trzeciej fazie było na tyle źle, że w piersi pojawił się gronkowiec, który doprowadził do ropnia piersi. Do tego doprowadziły też chyba złe rady lekarzy, którzy podali mi oksytocynę przez nos, żeby zwiększyć produkcję mleka i zalecili gorący prysznic z wyciskaniem mleka na siłę z piersi. Najpierw odciągano ropę z piersi, twierdząc, że nie trzeba będzie robić nacięcia. Te działania trwały tydzień. Potem było lepiej, ale pani profesor stwierdziła, że jednak trzeba naciąć tę pierś. Położyła mnie do szpitala z założeniem, że natnie pierś, oczyści ją  i będę mogła wrócić do karmienia. Już przed zabiegiem sugerowano, żebym zaprzestała laktację i zaproponowano mi lek, kórego skutki uboczne to np.: udar mózgu, zawał serca, padaczka. Zaczęłam go brać w szpitalu. Pielęgniarki nie ogarniały czy leki zostały mi podane czy nie. Tak naprawdę sama musiałam kontrolować jakie leki, w jakiej dawce dostaję. Chirurg, który anon1235093333ł nacinać pierś, zapytał czy chciałabym karmić. Na co odpowiedziałam, że jeśli daje mi na to nadzieję: to tak, bardzo chciałabym karmić. Nie wytłumaczył mi nic. Naciął mi pierś na granicy otoczki, przez co nie anon1235093333łam możliwości odciągania mleka laktatorem. Gdyby naciął ją 3 cm wyżej, proces gojenia i powrotu do laktacji byłby dużo prostszy. Wszyscy lekarze w szpitalu twierdzili, że pierś trzeba bandażować i muszę jak najszybciej zakończyć laktację, żeby rana się zagoiła. Dostałam w tym czasie depresji, bo karmienie jest dla mnie bardzo ważne. Na szczęście na mojej drodze stanęła doradczyni laktacyjna, która przedstawiła mi badania naukowe: od 12 lat w innych anon1235093333stach w Polsce ropień piersi jest leczony bez zaprzestania laktacji. W szpitalu zgłaszałam zawroty głowy i zły stan psychiczny, bo mleko przestało lecieć w moich piersiach. Nikt się tym nie przejął. Doradczyni laktacyjna powiedziała, że jeśli jej zaufam, wrócę do karmienia. Zajęło to ok. dwóch tygodni. Od razu odstawiłam te lekarstwa. Zaczęłam brać zioła i robić wizualizacje tego, że karmię naturalnie. Po dwóch tygodniach przystawiłam dziecko do piersi. Karmiłam na początku w opatrunku. Pierś goiła się miesiąc. No, ale się udało. To jest też dowód na to, że lekarze są niewykształceni na poziomie profesorskim. Doktor przyznała, że zajmuje się bardziej operacjami plastycznymi niż laktacją. O to mam żal do naszej służby zdrowia, że nie dbają kompletnie o pacjenta. 

Dla dzieci mam lekarkę prowadzącą w publicznej placówce. Wieczorem, gdy jest sytuacja kryzysowa, umawiamy się z nią czasem prywatnie. Ginekologicznie korzystałam z mojej lekarki na NFZ, natoanon1235093333st badania typu USG ciąży wykonywałam prywatnie ze względu na okres oczekiwania i na to jak się zwracano do mnie w trakcie tego badania. pan na pierwszym USG stwierdził, że ma za słaby sprzęt, nie jest w stanie zbadać mi przezierności karku i sugeruje wizytę prywatną na lepszym sprzęcie. Takie badanie można wykonać do 2 tygodni. Gdybym była w pierwszej ciąży i nie anon1235093333ła pieniędzy, prawdopodobnie byłabym w dużym stresie i nie wiedziałabym gdzie się udać. Okres oczekiwania na badania takiego maluszka trwa sześć miesięcy.  Od momentu urodzenia córki – na siebie i na nią - wydałam ok. 5 tys. zł na wizyty i badania. Po nacięciu piersi. Wszystkie koszty leczenia ponoszę zawsze prywatnie. Okulista dla dzieci, ortopeda  - prywatnie - ze względu na kolejki i na to, że wybieram świadomie specjalistów. Czas oczekiwania na ortopedę to ok. pół roku, a pierwsza wizyta powinna się odbyć w ciągu 4 tygodni od porodu.To niewykonalne. Służba zdrowia kompletnie nie spełnia swojej funkcji. Jestem zwolenniczką tego, żeby nie płacić na ZUS składki chorobowej. Jestem za prywatyzacją służby zdrowia w Polsce. Uważam, że dzięki temu znacznie skróciłyby się kolejki, ponieważ osoby siedzące w przychodniach tak po prostu, blokują dostęp do lekarzy. Uważam, że każdy powinien zadbać o siebie. Może nie jestem za bardzo lewicowa w tym względzie. Płacąc składki ZUS, utrzymuję też osoby leniwe, a sama nie mam gwarancji, że jakąkolwiek emeryturę uzyskam, czy będzie to emerytura godna. Nie mam tego do końca przemyślanego jak to powinno wyglądać. W szpitalu dziecięcym w Lublinie jest pediatra, która pierwszy raz w życiu potraktowała mnie jak matkę – tak jak chciałabym być potraktowana przez lekarza. Podeszła do mnie, uspokajająco zaczęła tłumaczyć co się dzieje z moim dzieckiem, jakie leki poda. Dodała, że muszę na siebie uważać. Zapytała czy mam wodę. Zorganizowała mi fotel do siedzenia przy dziecku, przyniosła prześcieradło do przykrycia. Cały czas podkreślała, że jest tu dla mnie i jeśli mam jakiekolwiek pytania, za chwilę przyjdzie. Była kompletnie wspierająca. Jedna jedyna osoba na tyle spotkań medycznych.

**_Polityka i kościół w Polsce_** 

Nie wiem czy jest jakaś partia, która o tym mówi. Nie zgłębiałam programów partii. Najbliżej jest mi do Wiosny. Aczkolwiek po ostatnich wyborach do eurloparlamentu w moich oczach z partii pozytywnej i ambitnej zaprezentowali się trochę infantylnie przez zachowania Biedronia. Taka euforia i mówienie o zwycięstwie przy 6 procentowym poparciu. Rozczarowali mnie. Myślałam, że będą mieli bardziej dojrzałe zachowania. Małymi zachowaniami podważają swój autorytet w moich oczach. 

Nie wiem na kogo mogłabym zagłosować w wyborach prezydenckich. W wyborach parlamentarnych liczyłabym na Koalicję, lewicę i Wiosnę – że wszyscy się zjednoczą przeciwko PISowi, żeby odsunąć go od władzy. To, co wyprawiają jest sprzeczne z moimi poglądami. Chciałabym zagłosować na jakiś taki zlepek PO, SLD, Wiosny, Razem, żeby zaproponowali coś wspólnego. Generalnie, jeśli chodzi o wszystkie aspekty, bliżej mi do partii lewicowych, ale nie w aspekcie ekonomicznym, bo nie chciałabym płacić 50% podatku, chyba że przychody byłyby dużo wyższe, tak jak w Skandynawii. Popieram postulaty LGTQ, jestem za równouprawnieniem, za rozdziałem kościoła i państwa. Chciałabym jak najlepiej dla siebie. Aczkolwiek nie jest tak, że chciałabym olać wszystkie inne osoby. Mam świadomość, że powinien być jakiś fundusz dla osób z niepełnosprawnościami. Jestem za totalnym wsparciem osób, które nie z własnego wyboru nie mogą sobie poradzić albo nie mogą pracować. Np.: matki samotnie wychowujące dzieci albo w ciąży. Ale jestem totalnie przeciwna by dostawały je nieroby. Tak jak ma to miejsce teraz, gdy w totalnie głupi sposób są rozdawane pieniądze. Jestem za mądrą, rozsądną polityką, chociaż nie wydaje mi się, by jakaś partia to proponowała. Może najbliżej mi do Barbary Nowackiej, która ma takie rozsądne podejście, żeby zwiększyć fundusz na osoby z niepełnosprawnościami, żeby dbać o osoby, które zależą od alimenciarzy, by poanon1547754019ć faktycznie potrzebującym, a nie tym co zrobili sobie z polityki pomocowej państwa filzofię życia. Głosuję i uważam, że to obowiązek obywatelski, a nie głosując, odbieram sobie prawo do krytykowania. Gdyby wszyscy zagłosowali, byłyby prawdziwy obraz Polski, a przy 40 procentowej frekwencji, trudno go uzyskać. Jestem załamana, że wielu moich znajomych lobbuje za tym, żeby nie głosować. Medialnie mamy Polskę podzieloną na prawą i lewą – poglądowo i wzdłuż linii Wisły. Polska zachodnia – bardziej otwarta na zanon1235093333ny, i wschodnia – prawicowa. Patrząc na poglądy moich znajomych to nie jest tylko taki dwudzielny wyanon1235093333r, bo mam znajomych o lewicowych, centralnych, ale też o prawicowych poglądach nawet w rodzinie. Ale ta prawicowość wynika z zakorzenienia kościelnego, a nie z poglądów politycznych. Mam świadomość, że jest też grupa, która nie interesuje się polityką, po prostu żyją sobie oraz taka bez żadnej wiedzy z własnej głupoty. 

Do niedawna dużym autorytetem był dla mnie prof. Dębski, jeśli chodzi o wiedzę i o poglądy, odawagę mówienia tego, co myśli, ale on już niestety nie żyje. Dla mnie dużym autorytetem jest Krystyna anon4110936133da, która angażuje się politycznie, ale nie w krzykliwy sposób; robi coś i działa, ale nie jest nachalna w tych swoich poglądach. Jerzy Owsiak jest dla mnie ogromnym autorytetem. Nawet w kontekście śmierci Adamowicza przyjął na siebie ciężar odpowiedzialności za to co się stało. To jak zareagował emocjonalnie, odchodząc, po to, żeby zamknąć te gęby plujące na fundację. I też przez to jak wysluchał szeregu ludzi i powiedział, że dobra zareagowałem emocjonalnie, ale dla dobra wyższej sprawy, wracam. Dużym autorytetem jest też dla mnie siostra Chmielewska, która na co dzień poanon1547754019 ludziom potrzebującym. Jest bardzo rozsądna, potrafi skrytykować kościół, do którego należy. Ma duży takt. Bardzo lubię słuchać tego, co ma do powiedzenia. 

Moja duchowość skupia się na tym, co tu i teraz. Przez zdrowotne doświadczenia ostatnich miesięcy żyję po prostu zdrowo. Sprowadza się to do takiego mądrego egzystowania na co dzień. Duchowość nie jest powiązania z bogiem, ale bardziej z kontemplowaniem przyrody, piękna życia. Po porodzie to taka prosta duchowość, skupiająca się na małych elementach życia, które kształtują każdy dzień. To jest dla mnie cenne: uśmiech dziecka, zdrowie rodzinne, relacje z partnerem/mężem, kontemplowanie i dbanie o naturę, chęć niesienia pomocy innym ludziom. Np.: przeprowadzałam akcję ubierania drzew w zimie, rozdawanie kurtek potrzebującym. Minimalne - ale na tyle na ile mogłam w ciąży – zaangażowanie w food not bombs. Chcemy nauczyć dzieci tego, by uanon1235093333ły być szczęśliwe w zwariowanym świecie, by były dobre dla siebie nawzajem i dla innych, by nie postrzegały sukcesu przez pryzmat pieniądza. 

Zmorą naszych czasów jest postrzeganie człowieka przez pryzmat jego dokonań biznesowych; nie chcę, żeby były konsumpcyjnie nastawione do świata; żeby chciały czytać, chciały się kształcić; nie były zakłamane; żeby nie bały się mówić „nie”; żeby potrafiły ocenić, że coś jest złe, nawet jeśli to jest działanie człowieka, kóry ma szacunek. Choćby w kontekście pedofilii - żeby jasno komunikowały swoje potrzeby. Żeby anon1235093333ły otwarte umysły i chciały podóżować; by nikogo nie oceniały przez stopień sprawności, przez to z kim kto sypia. Ważne są dla mnie zwierzęta i przyroda. Czasem reaguję, a  czasem nie. Np.: jadą ludzie samochodem i wyrzucają niedopłałki papierosów przez okno. To dla mnie brak świadomości, że anon681684766 zieanon1235093333 jest naszym domem i brak odpowiedzialności za Ziemię. Strasznie mnie to wkurza w ludziach i może dlatego nasza córka nazywa się Gaja, żeby podkreślić, że to dla nas istotne. W zeszłym roku w szkole zorganizowałm akcję zbierania śmieci. Zebrało się ponad 40 osób, w tym niektórzy lektorzy stawili się w lesie. Zebraliśmy ok. 300 kg śmieci pozostawionych przez ludzi.

Na zakończenie chciałabym dodać, że nienawidzę kościoła i jestem o krok od złożenia dokumentów o apostazji. Nie chrzcimy swoich dzieci, nie chcę mieć ślubu ani pogrzebu kościelnego. Uważam, że episkopat powinien zostać rozwiązany. Ubóstwiam Sekielskiego za to, że zrobił ten dokument, że napisze książkę, że ściga tych ludzi, że mówi otwartym tekstem. Nienawidzę zakłamań prymasów. Brzydzę się tym. Za to też nienawidzę polityków. Kuba Wątły jest dla mnie autorytetem. Prowadzi w internecie program „Kuba Wątły TV”. Jest wkurwiony na rzeczywistość. Mówi co go boli. Lobbuje za tym, żeby przestać finansować kościół z podatków. Gdyby był finansowany z pieniędzy ludzi, okazałoby się ile jest tak naprawdę wierzących i jakimi samochodami przestaliby jeździć księża. Denerwuje mnie bogactwo w kościele, posiadłości na Mazurach czy na Podlasiu. Podziwiam Smarzowskiego, Szumowską, Holland – reżyserów, którzy się nie boją podejmować trudne tematy."
2,57934,2019-08-13T15:06:22.973Z,10516,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,57777,anon3353600255,anon2615322413,"Dziękujemy za podzielenie się swoimi doświadczeniami i opiniami (przepraszam za język, korzystam z automatycznego tłumaczenia). Na naszym czeskim forum rozmawiamy o problemach w opiece zdrowotnej, z Państwa doświadczeń wynika, że ​​sytuacja w Polsce wydaje się bardzo podobna. W Czechach zdrowie publiczne jest względnie dobre, ale problemem jest nie tylko postawa personelu, ale także fakt, że nie wszyscy otrzymują najlepszą opiekę. Niektóre usługi są kwestią osobistych kontaktów i czasami łapówek (nie tylko finansowych, ale także materialnych lub niektórych usług w zaanon1235093333n). Czy uważasz, że mieszany model finansowania pomógłby w sytuacji w Polsce? W Czechach próbowali czegoś takiego (ja sam pracowałem przez pewien czas w największym szpitalu w Republice Czeskiej w administracji), ale w zasadzie wyglądało to tak, jakby otworzyli prywatną klinikę w tym samym budynku, bez znacznej kwoty pieniędzy nie można było uzyskać lepszej opieki . Uważam jednak, że tam, gdzie to konieczne, solidarność powinna mieć pierwszeństwo przed saldem kont i emerytami, a dzieci z biednych rodzin lub osoby bez środków powinny mieć taką samą szansę na wysokiej jakości leczenie, jak inni, o ile są dostępni"
3,57999,2019-08-15T10:48:00.355Z,10516,0,7,6,2,1,0,11.4,57777,anon2446385507,anon2615322413,"[quote=""anon2615322413, post:1, topic:10516""]
Although I have the feeling of maternal burnout many times and despite the fact that my husband participates - I do not want to use the word helps - he participates in raising children, but 90% of the duties fall on me.
[/quote]

Dziękujemy za wypowiedzenie tego na głos i publicznie. To jest bardzo inspirujące dla mnie, ogólnie dla kobiet!"
4,58042,2019-08-16T09:36:43.316Z,10516,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,57777,anon3593942245,anon2615322413,"Hej @anon2615322413, dzięki wielkie za tą historię. Dużo się dowiedziałam o byciu matką, opiece zdrowotnej i samodzielnym zatrudnieniu w Polsce. Jestem w szoku, czytając po raz kolejny, jak polskie państwo działa - szczególnie w stosunku do kobiet, matek czy osób niepełnosprawnych - biorąc pod uwagę poziom deklaratywny PiSu i realizację tych idei. Z jednej strony zachęca się kobiety do rodzenia, nawet niepełnosprawnych, dzieci, z drugiej nie tworzy się warunków do godnego zajmowania się dziećmi (500 zł na dziecko niewiele załatwia przy obecnych kosztach życia, tym bardziej, jeśli brak sensownych rozwiązań mieszkaniowych, a Ty masz aspiracje być na swoim i spełniać się nie tylko jako anon681684766 w domu, ale też kobieta z zainteresowaniami i ciekawą pracą), pomoc zdrowotna kuleje, a dla niepełnosprawnych pomoc jest karygodna. 

Tutaj inna @anon616153527, biznesmenka i anon681684766, opowiada o swoich doświadczeniach - w Warszawie - bardzo podobnych do Twoich. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/to-nie-jest-kraj-dla-zaradnych-ludzi/9851

W listopadzie będziemy organizowali wydarzenie w Polsce i chciałabym, żeby jego problem adresował zanon1547754019nia naszych użytkowników - chciałabym Cię zapytać, czy masz jakiś pomysł, jakiego typu dyskusja/format/warsztat mógłby mieć sens i przełożenie na tego typu doświadczenia? Chętnie zajęłabym się jego przygotowaniem. 

Dzięki za szczerą, mocną opowieść!"
1,56877,2019-07-19T07:40:04.242Z,10379,1,13,12,3,0,0,112.6,56877,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"<image here> 
 
(Cafe Sladkovsky)

This week the Czech tour took place - I went to Brno and Prague to host small, intimate events, during which I could explain what POPrebel is about, look for collaborators to fill constantly un-filled position and promote the idea of sharing stories and getting paid for it. 

Brno was chosen because I have some Polish friends living there - they helped me pick the place (which was an amazing collective coffee shop run by... anarchists. Plenty of great workshops, including poliamory talks, were announced on the walls. I felt perfect there - but I also understood why the regulars found it alienating. My bad. ) and promoted the event in their networks. We had 75 interested people... and then it was raining cats and dogs the whole afternoon. It got clear right before the event started, and nobody came. What I have also noticed, is that young Czechs don't speak English very often - the initial idea was to hire a local person who'd accompany me, in case this would turn out true, but as we struggled to find them, a string of problems occurred. Nevertheless, I talked to all the workers of the space, told them about the call and was promised some help. 

Now, the second one was held in a hipster district of Prague, in a beautiful cafe that attracts a mix of middle-class people - old and young, left and liberal. This event was not promoted, so we were ready to step in with @anon3353600255 - my mission was to be a bait, go talk to people, ask them to join, and then conduct the conversation while Jirka took notes, and occasionally jumped in with some more specific questions, along with @anon4062071924. I managed to find two people who'd share their opinions and who spoke English comfortably, a relief after numerous attempts a day earlier when I tried the same and young people would just refuse to have a conversation at all. 

Now, I know a lot of people who live in Prague - and only one of them is Czech. I got him on board to share the call, along with a couple of other people. Even if everyone admits that the project is interesting, and the offer we have is great for local standards, they're not really eager to get involved. Czechs are reserved and stay inside their Czech bubbles. When you ask them about the political situation, they don't want to elaborate much. It's easier to get them to talk when you have a beer on the table, though. Lessons learned: get a Czech person if you want to enter their circles and a box of beers."
2,57928,2019-08-13T13:54:55.863Z,10379,0,9,8,1,1,0,36.8,56877,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"[quote=""anon
Czechs are reserved and stay inside their Czech bubbles. When you ask them about the political situation, they don’t want to elaborate much. It’s easier to get them to talk when you have a beer on the table, though
[/quote]

At what point can we say this about any society? Can anyone confirm? is there something in the climate nowadays that makes life harder as a foreigner? The expats bubbles report bits of the same - @anon2495109874's [friend story](https://edgeryders.eu/t/duchovni-pohoda-domy-pro-obcany/9937) is one where she would like to get more social, as a foreigner in Prague. Some facebook women group I follow has people who are taking a stance of foreigner against 'Czech ways'. Not to mention what some expats say -like in [this article:](https://www.expatolife.com/live-in-prague/) 
_'Did you experience discrimination in Prague? I don’t know if I’d call it discrimination but definite unfriendliness. The Czechs are not known for their warmth, and it’s sadly very evident just how cool they are once you start living there.'_

Do these small hints mean we should downplay the international part of POPREBEL and focus only on local community building, local problems, local meetups, and especially: local festival?
Thanks for any hints, everyone!"
3,57979,2019-08-15T06:51:51.145Z,10379,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,56877,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"I don't know if there's a point, all generalizations are wrong anyway - but it was an experience people I met in Prague shared. So, I'm making a big generalization here, which also fits, maybe supports even, my experience with the Czechs :) 

I wouldn't say we necessarily need to downplay the international part of the POPrebel, let's first dig and see what's up with the Czechs to start with and then we can find ways to extranon3760934795ate it internationally, or - we won't."
1,57295,2019-07-29T20:14:59.732Z,10432,0,5,4,5,0,0,26.0,57295,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"<image here> 
 

Oto selekcja historii, które pojawiły się ostatnio na naszej platformie:

1. Przemoc, alkoholizm, wielodzietność, bieda, żarliwa wiara i duma. O tym, jak niższe klasy, pomimo ciężkiej pracy, nie wychodzą z wiedzy i przez całe życie pracują za najniższą krajową. I jak wstyd jest im sięgać o pomoc.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/o-przemocy-i-zyciu-na-lekach-za-najnizsza-krajowa/10415

#przemoc #alkoholizm #bezrobocie #bieda

2. Czy zgadzasz się z twierdzeniem Marka: Na ten moment prawica jest w defensywie, ale to się kiedyś odwróci? W swoim tekście opowiada on o rządach PiSu, populistycznej twarzy prawicy, roli kościoła i rządach lewicy w Polsce. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/nie-ma-miejsca-na-dialog/10398

#kosciol #populizm #PiS

3. Samuel rzuca prowokacyjną myśl: ""...wcale nie zdziwiłbym się za jakiś czas, że PiS zalegalizuje np. związki homoseksualne czy marihuane. Wtedy byliby już nie do pokonania."" Czy wydaje Ci się to możliwe? I co myślisz o efektach flagowego 500+, które chwali? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/pis-robi-to-co-obiecal/10408

#homoseksualizm #populizm #PiS

4. O tym, dlaczego na Dolnym Śląsku nikt nie chce inwestować czy nawet zostawać, i dlaczego Unia Europejska nie jest dla Polaków rozwiązaniem, pisze anon3326486053:

""Moje anon1235093333sto to miejsce, do którego przyjeżdżasz na jeden dzień i wyjeżdża. Tu nikt na dłużej nie zostaje. Młodych wysya Wrocław, część tam zostaje, a reszta rusza w świat. No dramat. Gdyby oni poznawali świat i wracali, to super, ale oni nie wracają. Ludzie stracili nadzieję na jakąkolwiek zanon1235093333nę. Już z tym nie walczą, tylko wyjeżdżają.""

https://edgeryders.eu/t/sceptycznie/10486

#emigracja #praca #dolnyslask #bezrobocie
 
5. Ala, pedagożka i aktywistka, mierzy się z przeszkodami w aktywizmie w małym polskim mieście. Brzmi znajomo""?

 Niestety często jestem osamotniona w tym, jak działam. Nie mogę liczyć na wsparcie instytucji publicznych, ponieważ np. włodarze mojego anon1235093333sta, ba! kurator oświaty twierdzi, że: “U nas w szkołach nie ma problemu z dyskryminacją na jakimkolwiek tle”.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/fajterka/10476

#aktywizm #antydyskryminacja #polska #edukacja"
2,57382,2019-07-31T14:41:47.536Z,10432,0,2,1,0,0,0,0.4,57295,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Is this still draft form or can it be pushed out through social media? Also, I assigned it to the Polish forum."
3,57962,2019-08-14T15:37:47.270Z,10432,0,3,2,1,0,0,5.6,57295,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"@anon757878494 and @anon2446385507 - this is a social media-friendly summary of 5 texts, now good to go, with hashtags and all."
4,57966,2019-08-14T15:56:15.428Z,10432,0,2,1,0,0,0,15.4,57295,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Added a visual, OK?"
5,57968,2019-08-14T16:09:17.946Z,10432,0,2,1,0,0,0,15.4,57966,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,I also updated each text with a visual
1,53281,2019-05-09T13:06:54.007Z,9876,0,16,15,5,0,0,28.2,53281,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Gratulacje, udało Ci się dobić do wieku emerytalnego! Skoro nie odłożyłeś na złote lata i nie masz żadnych inwestycji, będziesz musiał teraz jakoś wykombinować, jak przeszusować przez ostatnie dekady życia - podobnie jak w młodości. Bez obaw! Odrobina inwencji, współpracy i bez problemu przetrwasz czasy demencji w wybornym stylu.

![Kissdenturesgoodbye.jpg|624x471](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MZjkPpC5uvUIHHh1PYKwOQImqbBljL26NU_o5Zn_sgbv5VrZtTiOqTpM7k1EkG2ujCJ3XykdBkeBBZKd3U2u72JVwHaxRtqsd2HwseVAnSh-ru90WVza2fqvrBZJ-fQHbLnlJxSV)


Wielu prekariuszy dożywa do emerytury - tobie też może się to udać. Niektórzy Amerykanie zdecydowali się na oddelegowanie opieki nad starszymi i [wysłali rodziców do Indii](http://web.archive.org/web/20150912124226/http://www.theguardian.com/money/2009/may/31/elderly-care-affordable-india), gdzie mieszkają oni jak Maharadżowie za 6000 zł miesięcznie. Japończycy pokazali nam inny przykład w filmie &ldquo;[Mezon do Himiko](http://web.archive.org/web/20150509194903/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Himiko)&rdquo; - dom dla emerytowanych osób LGBTQ, który utrzymują z zysków popularnego klubu w Tokio i pomocy bogatych darczyńców.

A ty, czy jesteś gotowy swój moment? Czy myślisz, że znajdziesz chętnych do czytania Twoich slajdów i piczy, podań o pracę i wniosków o dofinansowanie, siedząc w pielusze? Może raczej czas zacząć rozglądać się za alternatywami, zanim będzie za późno?

![B1S_EGhIUAAFvm8.jpg|624x367](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/b_z2Ayqd7cCmH2XEY6mtXMhwhitJRg83B2a8NiBlNnTiost1rKapNn90qajvlcWHUVQY4MUahPJSp6wo3JJT4BUKarPkk7fqpK3JH1Bi55fO40o85jgs-L_YNAZJ8uuJGd0Aitaa)

Masz 96 lat i twój osobisty roboasystent przypadkowo [wciągnął twoje sztuczne zęby](http://web.archive.org/web/20150509194903/http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/japanese-robot-with-a-heart-will-care-for-the-elderly-and-children-9491819.html) w otchłań opensource&rsquo;owego odkurzacza, kiedy odłączyły go od internetu przez przypadek pochłonięte plotkami lodówka i piekarnik.

To nic! Twój sąsiad ma na szczęście drukarkę 3D, więc ściągasz szybko darmowy wzór z [Thingiverse](http://www.thingiverse.com/) i raz dwa [drukujesz nową protezę](https://nt.interia.pl/raporty/raport-medycyna-przyszlosci/medycyna/news-zeby-z-drukarki-3d,nId,1907313). Jest co prawda trochę luźna, przez co męczysz się czasami z żuciem na imprezach Disco Soup, wypluwając kawałki na swoje nowe, drogie, [mleczne spodnie](https://www.dw.com/pl/nowatorski-wynalazek-mleczna-tkanina/a-15472347). Z wyłączonym robotem, pozostaje ci sprać plamy w hipsterskiej łaźni, gdzie oczywiście poślizgnąłeś się i złamałeś biodro.

![tumblr_l1hgi0Ier41qzzhzdo9_r1anon252643104880.jpg|624x432](https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/reQjD0AwHE6sUgrdSNzUif7FNU2ye-mCssAr_9WjV_YVJhrWJv5tXXhVVka75FVYt3azPdH3W2cxvCDBgK4lQ5lRw3Q3D-sWXkOCeqlp4EAnu0HDUxU84uC4j2XpJrKPX37XURst)

I co dalej? Twoi znajomi znaleźli na to rozwiązanie - [drukują właśnie kość](https://everethnews.pl/newsy/przelom-w-ortopedii-kosc-wydrukowana-na-drukarce-3d/), więc lada moment będziesz anon1235093333ł nowiutką nogę. A jeśli coś pójdzie nie tak i złapiesz infekcję - bez obaw! Sprawdzasz w internecie przepis na domową medycynę [zgodną z Twoim DNA](https://www.wsj.com/articles/francis-collins-says-medicine-in-the-future-will-be-tailored-to-your-genes-1404763139) i jesteś uratowany.

![photo.jpg|624x423](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/8O_0YUS27tokanPj5Jqe-Cw3f8OBIJHbF7RhW0fH11Eg1Gpxw7ds6Eb1vtBLyTIPlN6NwmjJybJbWIeWH7E1fijQrhxNsYGqWjMzvOlzqLbLFsE3WiC_FUAbxRtIyQt6IPU4-HFd)

Brawo! Wygrałeś! Udało ci się dotrzeć do kolejnego etapu emerytury - teraz pozostaje ci tylko bez przerwy nękać swoje dzieci o odwiedziny. Nie wszystkim jednak uda się dotrwać do tego momentu, dlatego musimy zacząć planować, co zrobić z tymi i dla tych, którzy pozostali poza &ldquo;systemem&rdquo;.

## Przez kolejne dwa lata na platformie Edgeryders będziemy wspólnie planować przyszłość internetu - takiego, który pomoże nam na lepsze życie razem. Nazywamy ten projekt Internet dla Ludzi.

## Każdy głos się liczy - dołącz do rozmowy i kolektywnej pracy nad nowymi rozwiązaniami. Ten proces jest i będzie otwarty dla wszystkich, którzy chcą wziąć w nim udział.

## Razem będziemy:

* Zbierać doświadczenia i przykłady &ldquo;ludzkiego&rdquo; internetu i technologii
* Rozmawiać na temat ich przydatności - w dyskusji na forum i podczas spotkań w różnych miejscach w Europie
* Korzystać z tej wiedzy, wspierając grupy i jednostki zainteresowane różnymi projektami w uzyskiwaniu funduszy i lobbowaniu na rzecz tych pomysłów.

## Chcesz się włączyć? Świetnie! Początek jest prosty: wybierz temat i napisz nam o nim:

* [Zdrowie i opieka społeczna](https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-uzyskac-wsparcie-w-zakresie-opieki-zdrowotnej-i-spolecznej/9725)
* [Praca i dobrobyt](https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-kreujemy-dobrobyt-i-prace-w-polsce-200-eur-za-najlepsze-historie/9727)
* [Samopoczucie - psychiczne, duchowe, moralne](https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-mozemy-byc-moralnie-i-psychicznie-zdrowi/9726)"
1,57597,2019-08-05T16:41:59.768Z,10476,0,15,14,50,0,0,283.0,57597,anon750699873,anon750699873,"<image here> 
 

Zaangażowanie w działania oddolne nie jest w moim mieście duże. Najczęściej ludzie, którzy coś przeżyli, czegoś doświadczyli w życiu, mieszkali poza anon1235093333stem i tu w którymś momencie życia wrócili, włączają się w akcje społeczne. Młodzi ludzie  wyjeżdżają za granicę, albo do większych anon1235093333st, bo nie widzą tutaj swojej przyszłości. A ja tu wróciłam. I chcę zmieniać moje otoczenie, otwierać ludzi na różnorodność. 

Niektórzy mówią, że biorę za duży kaliber na siebie- tematy społeczne, polityczne, kontrowersyjne. Mówią mi, żeby brać się za tematy bezpieczniejsze i społecznie akceptowalne, np. pomoc osobom z niepełnosprawnościami, czy uczniom w szkole, a nie za tematy wywołujące dyskusje takie jak życie i funkcjonowanie mniejszości w Polsce. Sama zaczynam być już bardzo zmęczona... Gdy wchodzę na fb zaczynam mieć odruchy wymiotne, bo wszystko na moim wallu jest nacechowane negatywnie: ataki rasistowskie, przemoc na tle islamofobii czy homofobii, ohydne słowa polityków podsycających wciąż do walki. Obserwując to wszystko co się u nas dzieje doświadczam bezsilności i bezradności. Dlatego zaczynam szukać bezpieczniejszych tematów, bardziej pozytywnych, wzmacniających, bo sama już jestem zmęczona tym grzebaniem się w trudnych rzeczach. Poza tym na projekty, które realizuję trudno jest zdobyć fundusze. No i wciąż trzeba uważać na wizerunek, bo np. anon1235093333sto może nam wymówić lokal albo w inny sposób utrudnić nam funkcjonowanie. 

Ostatnio ten lęk jest znacznie większy, niż wcześniej. Boję się o swoją pracę, działalność, ale i po prostu - o przyszłość. Gdzie będę za rok, za pięć lat? Jestem postrzegana jako pewna siebie fajterka, ale czasem też brak mi sił. Ostatnio próbowałam wejść do szkół z tematem warsztatów antydyskryminacyjnych i nie spotkało się to z otwartością, choć uważam, że problem przemocy wśród młodzieży (i wiem to właśnie od młodzieży!), jest bardzo palący. Niestety często jestem osamotniona w tym, jak działam. Nie mogę liczyć na wsparcie instytucji publicznych, ponieważ np. włodarze mojego anon1235093333sta, ba! kurator oświaty twierdzi, że: ""U nas w szkołach nie ma problemu z dyskryminacją na jakimkolwiek tle"". Ponadto politycy twierdzą, że  przemoc - szczególnie ta na tle homofobii - pojawia się dopiero wtedy, kiedy ludzie organizują Marsze Równości. Skoro ma takie podejście do tematu, to wiadomo, że niewiele się tutaj da zrobić. Z innej strony - nasz prezydent zaraz po tym jak odmówił zgody na Marsz Równości stwierdził, że zorganizuje w przyszłym roku festiwal równości. Mam nadzieję, że zostaniemy zaproszeni na to wydarzenie z tęczowymi flagami. Ale nie łudzę się na miłe przyjęcie. 

W moim mieście mówi się o autorytecie anon4110936133a Pawła II, o zdrowej rodzinie, zdrowym społeczeństwie, patriotyzmie. Taki jest przekaz. Nie ma miejsca na dyskusję, co naprawdę te wartości dla różnych ludzi znaczą, co się pod nimi kryje. Ludzie boją się wychylić, bo mogą mieć z tego powodu problemy. Jak się nie wychylisz, to będzie ci się trochę lepiej żyło. Lepiej uważać w pracy, w szkole, na uczelni z własnymi poglądami. ""Nie afiszuj się, bo komuś to będzie przeszkadzać"". To jest takie anon1235093333sto, z którego raczej się wyjeżdża do miejsc gdzie oddycha się swobodniej i gdzie jest bardziej kolorowo, anon1235093333sto pomiędzy dużymi ośrodkami. Ludzie często pytają mnie po co w ogóle tu wróciłam. No właśnie, po co? Mocno przykleiło mnie do mojego anon1235093333sta poczucie misji dziejowej. No bo kto będzie tu działać na rzecz zanon1235093333n, jeśli wszyscy wyjadą? No, ale różnie też jest z tym moim podejściem do zaangażowania społecznego. Tracę trochę energię. Lata lecą, nie samą misją człowiek przecież żyje. ZUS wyliczył mi emeryturę przy obecnych zarobkach na kwotę 145,16 pln. Zabawne, nie? 

Jak myślę o tym, skąd mi się wzięła ta chęć walki z wiatrakami to z pewnością ważnym etapem dla mnie były studia w Krakowie, w którym tak wiele się działo i nadal się dzieje. Już w liceum byłam w klimatach punkowych i te ideały, którymi wtedy nasiąkłam zaczęły we mnie pracować. Wierzyłam, że trzeba działać już teraz, nie czekać, zmieniać świat, organizować się. Szukałam swoich miejsc i ludzi. Chodziłam do klubów, na koncerty, na spotkania dyskusyjne. W same studia może nie byłam wkręcona, ale w różne działania obywatelskie i w ruchy oddolne na maksa. Wiele się tam nauczyłam i po powrocie do rodzinnego anon1235093333sta chciałam robić to dalej. 

Czego bym potrzebowała, żeby się nie poddać? Wsparcia, szczególnie psychologicznego. Uczestniczyłam w Marszu Równości i tuż przed anon1235093333łam taki spadek energii i wiary w sens wszystkiego co robię, że myślałam, że już nie dam rady. Nie jestem radykałem, ale niektórzy tak mnie widzą. W końcu żyję z kobietą w związku. Dla wielu już to jest radykalne. Naczytałam się mnóstwo hejterskich komentarzy, w tym tych z życzeniem nam wszystkim śmierci, z wyzwiskami i groźbami...i mimo to, próbowałam tym ludziom na spokojnie tłumaczyć własną perspektywę. W efekcie za dużo przyjęłam na siebie i zaczęłam tracić równowagę psychiczną. Jak choćby takie komentarze, że może coś w moim życiu poszło nie tak, że to nie społeczeństwo ma problem tylko ja sama. Że może jestem chora, zaburzona, zboczona. W chwili największej słabości zaczęłam nawet myśleć, że może oni wszyscy mają rację? Że może bycie osobą niehetero to problem natury psychologicznej? Totalnie mnie to wszystko rozchwiało, anon1235093333łam ataki paniki i musiałam się na chwilę wycofać, bo zaczęło się to dla mnie robić bardzo niebezpieczne. Myślę jednak, że to co czułam nie jest wcale takie nietypowe. Brak wsparcia, chroniczne przemęczenie psychiczne i osamotnienie w działaniach to chyba typowe w środowisku aktywistów, którzy poruszają trudne tematy społeczne. 

Czasem chciałabym usłyszeć, że to jest ważne społecznie. Że to nie tylko temat, który przyniesie zamęt i będzie robić nam wszystkim problemy, ale że to jest ważne. Za mało mam bodźców wspierających. Bardzo mi tego brakuje, żeby moi bliscy poklepali mnie czasem i doładowali energetycznie. Osamotnienie i niemoc są najgorsze. Takie poczucie, że wszędzie wokół są ściany od których ciągle musisz się odbijać. Negatywne bodźce odbierają satysfakcję a bycie w ciągłej gotowości do mierzenia się z trudnościami utrudnia też zobaczenie tego co już się udało, ilu osobom udało się pokazać, że bycie osobą z grupy mniejszościowej wcale nie musi być przerażające i złe. 

Marzenia? Chciałabym móc utrzymać się z akcji, które organizuję i żeby to co robię zostało uznane za coś, na co warto i trzeba wydawać publiczne pieniądze. Żebym nie musiała co chwilę zastanawiać się, czy będę anon1235093333ła kasę za dwa miesiące na kolejne działania. Żebym mogła też poczuć się zaproszona do szkół na warsztaty, żeby ludzie się zgłaszali do pomocy. Żeby było więcej odważnych osób gotowych brać ciężar hejtu na siebie i żeby razem pracować nad przełamywaniem uprzedzeń. Żeby było więcej współdziałania między organizacjami i inspirowania się. Inspiracji strasznie mi brakuje. W Warszawie i Krakowie nie ma z tym problemu, ale u nas brakuje ludzi. Tu środowisko związane z tematyką antydyskryminacyjną dopiero powstaje. Tak, przydałaby się większa sieć kontaktów. Mimo wszystko muszę przyznać, że moja praca daje mi spełnienie, możliwość kreowania rzeczywistości, poczucie, że to co robię ma sens.

Ala 36, pedagożka, aktywistka, działaczka"
2,57751,2019-08-08T10:09:56.655Z,10476,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,57597,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"Cześć Ala (?), Czytanie twojej historii jest tak pokorne. Jestem jednym z menedżerów społeczności - [tutaj jest moja opowieść o tym, jak pogodziłem się z wartościami kulturowymi mojego kraju.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/i-grew-up-in-post-communism-in-a-fractured-generation-each-with-its-own-bubble/9369) Przepraszam, to po angielsku.

Musisz naprawdę kochać swój kraj, jeśli pozostaniesz pomimo strachu i nędzy.
Jestem ciekawy: czy uważasz, że międzynarodowe grupy i sieci ludzi podzielających twoje wartości mogą pomóc? Może mogą dać ci więcej pewności siebie, porady lub oferty pracy.

Powinieneś przywitać się z @anon2734079508, tóra opuściła Polskę po latach aktywizmu, aby prowadzić [edukację seksualną w Wielkiej Brytanii.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/dlaczego-zostalam-eduanon3213561856orka-seksualna/9857) Może jej historia stanowi inspirację."
3,57781,2019-08-09T07:32:15.990Z,10476,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,57597,anon3593942245,anon750699873,"hej @anon750699873 - zauważyłam już, że widziałaś historię innej aktywistki, która jest u nas na platformie, i którą poznałam przy okazji prowadzenia rozmów do tych badań. @anon4072339719 opowiadała mi o swojej pracy z antydykryminacją, ale też o tym, jak zmieniło się jej podejście do sztuki i skąd jej potrzeba szukania nowych metod pracy z ludźmi i edukowania ich. Wiem też, że Alina sama mierzy się z trudnościami w finansowaniu swojej pracy i pasji - i pytała, jak mogłabym jej pomóc. Co powiecie na to, żeby połączyć siły i stworzyć edukacyjną, aktywistyczną dywizję razem? 

Byłabym też ciekawa, czy zechciałybyście obie poprowadzić kawiarenki internetowe - godzina każda - na tematy antydyskryminacji, w waszych dziedzinach? I może przygotujemy razem jakieś zajęcia na wydarzenie, które planujemy w listopadzie w Polsce (warszawa lub Lublin?). Byłaby to też okazja na osobiste spotkanie i planowanie dalszych kroków. 

Kudos, obie was podziwiam za wybory - ja wygodnie uciekłam i w tym momencie nie widzę powrotu, choć oczywiście chciałabym, żeby wszystkim żyło się lepiej w Polsce. Za wolno się to dzieje."
4,57874,2019-08-12T16:20:55.613Z,10476,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,57751,anon750699873,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi, 
part of my work is also coordinating international projects. It helps A LOT because I am able to see greater perspective. Sometimes it brings me hope, sometimes it is depressing. For example last year our volunteer from Portugal was so shocked that Equality Marches have to be protected by police and sometimes even special services that after few months he decided to quit project as staying here seemed to be too oppresive for him. But - as all in our life - it all depends on the point of view. I am still convincing myself that we all have our small victories. I also have to remind myself all over again that actually I feel much stronger than I was before.  I am able to live here...but also after many, many years believing in my ""mission"" i am able to open myself for possible changes. Even moving out of my city or country. It all depends on political situation."
5,57875,2019-08-12T16:25:07.391Z,10476,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,57781,anon750699873,anon3593942245,"Wcale się nie dziwię, że ""uciekłaś"", wśród moich dalszych znajomych jest sporo osób, które wyemigrowały głównie z powodów politycznych. Skoro doszło do tego, że sama coraz częściej słyszę, że to co robię jest ""niewygodne"" - kto wie, co będzie z moją przyszłością pracową i osobistą? Not sure, still fighting (mostly with myself ;P)
Odnośnie spotkania - wszystko zależy od mojej dostępności czasowej. W Wawie na pewno będę w październiku na - nomen omen - warsztacie o budowaniu pozytywnych narracji (co mi się bardzo przyda :D) a listopad w moim kalendarzu jest póki co jedną wielką, białą plamą."
6,57949,2019-08-14T09:43:52.372Z,10476,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,57874,anon2446385507,anon750699873,"Rozumiem - myślę, że zdrowo jest zachować otwarty umysł i być przygotowanym na zanon1235093333nę miejsca.
Czy tytuł twojego posta „Fajterka” coś znaczy?

PS Czy mogę poprosić Cię o dodanie zdjęcia do opowieści? Wszystko, co myślisz, reprezentuje cię. Chciałbym się nim podzielić w mediach społecznościowych i myślę, że podczas czytania wyglądałby jeszcze lepiej!"
1,57780,2019-08-09T06:53:41.382Z,10518,0,10,9,8,0,0,42.0,57780,anon1115518278,anon1115518278,"Jestem księgową na etacie i mamą. Mam dwoje dzieci. Jedno z dzieci chodzi do przedszkola, a drugim opiekuje się babcia w czasie, gdy pracujemy z mężem. Kiedy mój mąż pracuje w polu, ja zajmuję się dziećmi. Zdarza się, że ja też coś tam robię i wtedy on się nimi zajmuje. To nie jest tak, że musimy wszystko ręcznie robić, to jest robione mechanicznie. Korzystamy z dopłat dla rolników z Agencji Restrukturyzacji i Modernizacji Rolnictwa. Nie pokrywają kosztów. To co włożymy zdarza się, że się zwróci. Ziemię dostaliśmy w spadku. Nie możemy tego sprzedać, bo jest pod hipoteką domu. Z tego też są pieniądze. Wszystko co wyhodujemy oddajemy na sprzedaż. Mamy dom na kredyt. Mąż opłaca kredyt i rachunki, ja opłacam dzieci. Nie mamy wspólnego konta, więc nie wiem ile on dokładnie zarabia. Nie mamy rozdzielności majątkowej, ale w praktyce funkcjonujemy finansowo osobno. On ma swoje pieniądze, a ja swoje. Nie jest też tak, że przychody z ziemi są tylko męża. Wydajemy je na wspólne potrzeby. Moje przychody są z księgowości i ze staży. Korzystamy z 500 plus. To co zarabiam nie wystarcza na utrzymanie. Pracuję, bo nigdy nie byłam i nie chcę być zależna od męża finansowo. Myślę, że na dłuższą metę nie wytrzymałabym w domu, siedząc i opiekując się tylko dziećmi, dbając o dom. Miałam dwa razy przerwę w pracy: po urodzeniu syna dwa lata i pół roku po urodzeniu córki. Po roku w domu było mi ciężko. Chciałam już pójść do pracy. W przypadku córki uważam, że źle zrobiłam, bo anon1235093333ła tylko pół roku jak poszłam do pracy. Widziałam na początku, że jej mnie brakuje, ale zależało mi wtedy na tym, żeby pracować tu, gdzie pracuję. Teściowie i rodzice są dla nas wsparciem w opiece nad dziećmi. Mąż w 2009 roku zaczął działalność gospodarczą – usługi transportowe. Polegało to na tym, że wyjeżdżał w Polskę. Mieliśmy dużego busa, on ładował go, a ja szukałam różnych towarów do przewiezienia po całej Polsce, i rozwoził je. W 2012 roku mąż podpisał umowę na prowadzenie kiosku. Potem dobraliśmy drugi. W kioskach pracowali nasi rodzice na zanon1235093333nę. To są dla nich pieniądze. My z tego odkładamy dla siebie tylko na zapłacenie podatków. Teraz mąż zamyka działalność, bo musi zacząć płacić duży ZUS. Wcześniej robiliśmy wszystko, żeby nie musiał go płacić. Miał różne umowy, w tym za granicą. Dopiero od lutego tego roku musi płacić duży ZUS, dlatego zamyka działalność i skorzystamy z okazji, że możemy otworzyć nową na emeryta ( *przyp. formalnie na inną osobę z rodziny, będącą na emeryturze* ). Działalność nie jest nieopłacalna, ale jeżeli dołożymy wydatki, jakie nam się teraz skumulowały, czyli awarię dwóch samochodów, to już jest źle. Jestem ubezpieczona w Kasie Rolniczego Ubezpieczenia Społecznego ( *dalej: KRUS* ), ale w tej chwili nie, bo jestem w trakcie stażu. Mąż z racji prowadzonej działalności nie może być na KRUSie. Nie może dlatego, że kiedyś były takie przepisy, że trzeba było płacić składki do KRUS przez 3 lata, zanim założy się działalność gospodarczą. My dostaliśmy ziemię po jej założeniu. Muszę być w KRUS, bo nie mam pracy, a mąż ma ziemię. Wtedy nie mogę też się zarejestrować w urzędzie pracy. Muszę płacić KRUS, bo według państwa ja mogę się z tej ziemi utrzymać. Formalnie nigdy nie tracę źródła dochodu. Płacę do KRUS niecałe 400 zł na kwartał. Gdy ma się dziecko do 5 lat, płaci się niewiele ponad 100 zł. Każda umowa o pracę i każde zlecenie powyżej minimalnej krajowej ( *przyp. 2 250 zł* ) wyłączałaby mnie z KRUS. Dostarczam umowę do KRUS, a jak tylko ona wygaśnie, znowu muszę płacić tam składki. Ubezpieczenie rolnika w KRUS działa tak samo jak ubezpieczenie w Zakładzie Ubezpieczeń Społecznych ( *dalej: ZUS* ), np.: mogę iść do lekarza na tych samych zasadach, mogę iść na zwolnienie, ale zasiłek dla pracownika na zwolnieniu powyżej 33 dni wynosi 9 zł za dzień. Wydaje mi się, że w zarzutach dotyczących istnienia KRUS, chodzi o to, że z działalności ludzie płacą podatki i przy umowach o pracę płacą dużo składek, a taki rolnik płaci sobie 400 zł raz na kwartał i jest zadowolony, bo nie płaci od tego podatku, jeżeli zdecyduje się uprawać tylko ziemię. W innym przypadku – pracując na minimalną krajową albo prowadząc działalność gospodarczą - też płaci ZUS. Tylko nie patrzy się na to, że będąc w KRUS masz zbiory tylko przez kilka miesięcy w roku. Nie jest tak, że masz co miesiąc dochód, bo sprzedajesz po tonie pszenicy. Sprzedajesz ją jednorazowo za jakąś kwotę i ona wcale nie jest taka duża, bo tona pszenicy kosztuje chyba 700 zł. To co to jest? Tak jak w naszej sytuacji uprawy owoców – porzeczkę sprzedajesz z dnia na dzień, nie możesz jej przechować. I nie da się tego policzyć, bo kiedyś kilogram porzeczki był po 5 zł, a teraz jest po 0,30 zł za kilogram. To się nie opłaca. Mamy podpisany kontrakt chyba do 2022 roku, że musimy odstawić jakąś ilość owoców do skupu. Podpisaliśmy go w 2016 roku. Gdybyśmy go rozwiązali teraz pewnie musielibyśmy oddać pieniądze za sadzonki. Po zakończeniu kontraktu prawdopodobnie zlikwidujemy wszystkie owoce, sprzedamy kombajn do owoców i będziemy tylko siać zboże, bo to się kosi jednorazowo w roku. Zboże nie wyanon1547754019 tyle czasu, co porzeczki. Uważam, ze uprawa ziemi wręcz wpływa na startę w naszym budżecie domowym. Wydaliśmy bardzo dużo na opryski i na nawozy, a to co sprzedaliśmy i zostało na krzaku tego nie wyrównało w żaden sposób. W tamtym roku porzeczki dały nam tyle, że mieliśmy 10 tys. zł na wakacje. I tylko to. Naszym głównym źródłem utrzymania jest praca na etacie i działalność gospodarcza. Jeśli rolnictwo padnie, nic się u nas za bardzo nie stanie. Mąż zarabia trzy razy tyle co ja. Jeżeli odejmie się od tego podatek, rachunki, kredyt i np.: samochody, które w tym miesiącu kosztowały nas ok. 7 000 zł, jest na stracie. Ja ze swojej wypłaty żyję od pierwszego do pierwszego, nie wiem ile zostaje mężowi. Mam jakieś zaskórniaki na koncie oszczędnościowym, które wybieram jak są potrzebne. Zazwyczaj ja robię zakupy do domu, większe koszty ponosi mąż. Ale przy dwójce dzieci dużo tego idzie na jedzenie, ubrania, przedszkole, dodatkowe zajęcia. Opłacam to ja. Meble bierzemy na kredyt. W tej chwili mamy trzy kredyty. W normalnym dniu roboczym wraca do domu po 14, jemy obiad i chwilę bawimy się z dziećmi. Po czym mąż wychodzi ok. 19:00, bo wtedy można pryskać i wraca ok. 2:00 w nocy. Wyjeżdża następnego dnia rano, zawozi syna do przedszkola, wraca różnie: po 17:00, po 14:00, jednego dnia nie pracuje. U niego praca jest zróżnicowana czasowo, ja staram się być po 14 codziennie. Pracuję zdalnie w domu, ale teraz niewiele. Więcej czasu zajmowało mi to do kwietnia. To jest męczące, bo dzieci jest dwoje i cały czas ktoś coś chce. Teraz spędzamy z mężem czas z dziećmi po równo. Ten układ jest dla mnie komfortowy. Mam czas wolny godzinę jak jeżdżę na rolkach i jak jeżdżę rowerem do pracy. Czasem gdzieś wyjdziemy wieczorem ze znajomymi i wtedy możemy wziąć dzieci.

Gdyby nie 500 plus robiłoby to różnicę w moim budżecie. Swoje 500 plus oddaję teściowej za opiekę na dziećmi. 500 plus to jest połowa mojego jednego kredytu. Jeżeli ludzie mówią, że podnoszą im podatki, a oni nie dostają 500 plus... Z tego co widzę źle mówią o tym osoby, które mają jedno dziecko albo nie mają go wcale. Rozumiem to. Ale mi te pieniądze są potrzebne i nie wydaję ich na byle co. Inni niech sobie robią z tymi pieniędzmi co chcą, ja je wydaję na dzieci. Córka musiałaby być teraz w żłobku albo ja nie pracowałabym, bo chorowałaby, a tak oddaję kasę teściowej, która z nią siedzi. Skoro ja dostaję 500 plus, to inni też. Mają dwoje dzieci, więc też im się należy. Czy to jest osoba biedna czy to osoba bogata. Odkąd urodziły się moje dzieci, pierwszą korzyść anon1235093333łam za czasów PO ( *przyp. Platforma Obywatelska* ), czyli wydłużenie urlopu rodzicielskiego płatnego o rok. 500 plus też jest dla mnie pomocą. Z drugiej strony widzę, że są zanon1235093333ny dla przedsiębiorców, które mają uszczelnić VAT. JPK ( *przyp. Jednolity Plik Kontrolny* ) na pewno utrudniło nam działalność. Teraz jest ciężej o dodatkowe faktury. Zdarza się, że kupujemy faktury, żeby obniżyć sobie VAT. Teraz zapłaciliśmy 300 zł za faktury na ok. 2 000 zł. Zazwyczaj oddaje się 50% VAT. Myślę, że ciężko im będzie całkiem wyzbyć się tego krętactwa, ale już jest jakieś ograniczenie. To jest dobra zanon1235093333na. Jako żona przedsiębiorcy nie chcę płacić VAT, ale płacę go, chociaż czasem nie mam skąd na niego wziąć.

Nie objęła mnie reforma edukacji, bo mam za małe dzieci. Nie zastanawiałam się nad tym. Zastanawialiśmy się bardziej nad tym czy wybrać przedszkole prywatne czy państwowe. Teraz już wiemy, że państwowe. Męża dzieci chodzą do prywatnego przedszkola. Są bardzo inteligentne, ale zastanawiamy się czy nie są trochę wycofane społecznie. Nie wiedzą co to jest życie. Ktoś je może uderzyć, pociągnąć za warkocz itp. Mój syn ma kontakt z różnym środowiskiem, nie tylko idealnym. Są dzieci biedne, są dzieci bogate, bez rodziców i z rodzicami. Nie uważam, że poświęcają mu w przedszkolu za mało uwagi. Syn musi wiedzieć, że nie jest pępkiem świata, nie jest sam i nikt nie będzie nad nim sterczał. Pójdzie do szkoły, tam będzie anon1235093333ł ok. 30 dzieci i musi zdążyć się nauczyć.

Z dziećmi korzystamy z prywatnej opieki zdrowotnej, bo państwowa jest beznadziejna. Wydaje mi się, że w państwowej lekarze podchodzą do tego dość obojętnie. Syn kiedyś dużo chorował. Chodziliśmy leczyć go państwowo i ciągle były jeszcze jakieś syropy, a jak poszliśmy prywatnie, dostał antybiotyk. Ja nie jestem za leczeniem dzieci czosnkiem i syropem z cebuli. Jeśli widzę, że coś jest nie tak, jak najbardziej jestem za antybiotykiem. Sama korzystałam z rehabilitacji państwowo tylko dlatego, że kolega tam przyjmował. Po drugim zabiegu też byłam państwowo po znajomości, bo kolega był tam rehabilitantem. Najpierw przyjeżdżał do mnie do domu, za co płaciłam, a potem załatwił mi bezpłatnie u siebie. Z ulicy na rehabilitację czeka się około trzech miesięcy. Kolejny zabieg anon1235093333łam przyśpieszony. Chodziłam początkowo prywatnie do gabinetu. To była rodzina mojej teściowej. I dlatego państwowo zoperowali mnie szybko. Uważam, że powinni to zmienić, że idziesz do specjalisty i czekasz do niego rok. Jestem pod kontrolą okulisty. Zapisywałam się w marcu i zostałam zapisana na 3 września. Na rezonans magnetyczny czekałam rok. Po czym okazało się, że jestem w ciąży i nie mogłam go wykonać. Wtedy na rehabilitację bez znajomości też czekałam rok i nie mogłam z niej skorzystać. Nie przełożysz tego, po prostu termin przepada. Nikt z tego nie skorzystał. Przetrzymałam kolejkę.

Nie głosowałam w ostatnich wyborach. Nie mam preferencji politycznych. Oglądam wiadomości, ale nie zagłębiam się w politykę. Jedyne co wiem, to że nie odpowiada mi Kukiz. Rzadko głosuję. Miejsce głosowania mam w innym mieście niż mieszkam, bo nie jestem tu zameldowana. PIS jest jaki jest, ale mi z nim źle nie jest. Bardziej przyglądałam się na afery: podsłuchowe, afery z grami hazardowymi. Teraz też były przypadki, że nagle u premier Szydło zginęła cała dokumentacja w prokuraturze. Jest różnie, ale jak było PO, nic z tego nie anon1235093333łam, a teraz mam. Pod względem podatków, po uszczelnieniu VATu, więcej płacę. Z drugiej strony może na coś ta kasa pójdzie. Może na moje 500 plus. Nie wnikam w cudze problemy, bardziej interesuje mnie moja sytuacja.

Nie chodzę do kościoła, ale jestem osobą wierzącą. Nie chodzę, bo nigdy nie jest mi po drodze. Zazwyczaj niedzielę spędzam w domu z dziećmi i córka wtedy śpi. Jeśli wesela są o 15, to też rzadko zdążę, bo to czas spania dziecka. Ale moje dzieci znają i odmawiają pacież. Przyjmuję księdza w domu. Irytują mnie księża i to jak przychodzi po kolędzie i ma swoje komentarze. Raz mi się zdarzyło, że syn sam był u moich rodziców, kiedy przyszedł ksiądz i padło pytanie: „co to jest za dziecko?”. Nie grzecznie: czyje to dziecko, tylko takim tonem... wrzutem. Rok temu jak u nas był ksiądz... Niestety nie ma u nas jeszcze kostki. Ksiądz w takich ubłoconych butach wparował nam na dywan do salonu i: „jak wy tu chodzicie, że nie macie chodnika?” Nie każdego stać, żeby zrobić 200 m kostki. Teraz jest głośno o pedofilii w kościele. Czy prawnik czy lekarz – każdy może być pedofilem. Każdy może mieć odchyły. Wiadomo, że tam jest tego więcej, bo ksieża są bardziej ograniczeni i mogą wykorzystać dzieci. W żaden sposób tego nie popieram i gdyby mnie to dotknęło, po prostu zabiłabym kogoś takiego. Nie wpływa to na moją wiarę. Nie wiem czy teraz też to jest tak zaanon1235093333tane pod dywan jak kiedyś. Z tego co się dowiadywałam z książek, za anon4110936133a Pawła II było jeszcze gorzej. Uważaliśmy, że to chodzący ideał, bo to polski papież, a to guzik prawda. Odbębniam wszystkie możliwe święta, chociaż ostatnio zastanawiałam się nad tym, że najchętniej wyjechałabym wtedy; wesela, chrzciny, bierzmowania również. Nie wiem czy to nie jest bardziej tradycyjnie. Zdarza się, że modlę się o zdrowie dzieci, ale zauważyłam, że na drugi dzień zazwyczaj któreś jest chore... Mama wychowywała mnie w wierze, ojciec nie. Zazwyczaj jak jeździłam w niedzielę do dziadków, musiałam być w kościele. Teraz bardzo mało młodych osób chodzi do kościoła. To negatywne zjawisko, bo odsuwamy się od kościoła. Uważam, że kościół ma za duży wpływa na państwo, tak jak np.: Rydzyk itd. Jestem zwolenniczką współpracy kościoła z państwem, ale nie na aż takim poziomie. Nie przeszkadza mi religia w szkołach i krzyże, bo skądś dzieci muszą się tego uczyć. Myślę, że związki wyznaniowe w Polsce powinny mieć równą pozycję, ale nie wiem czy Polska jest na to przygotowana. Jesteśmy rasistami. Mi Żydzi nie przeszkadzają, ale zakładam, że Żyd z pejsami po mieście łatwo nie przejdzie. Sama na marsz równości nie poszłabym, ale ze względu na bezpieczeństwo. Nie przeszkadzają mi osoby homoseksualne, ale nie znam żadnego geja ani lesbijki. Ciężko mi powiedzieć, ale adopcja dzieci mnie wycofuje. Ja jestem tradycyjnioe wychowana. Dla mnie to nie jest model rodziny, jaki być powinien. Wiem, że się nie godzą na marsze, ale nie interesuję się polityką lokalną."
2,57931,2019-08-13T14:28:48.287Z,10518,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,57780,anon3353600255,anon1115518278,"Bardzo dziękuję za podzielenie się swoją historią. (Przepraszamy za język Korzystam z automatycznego tłumaczenia). Mam tutaj przyjaciela w Czechach, który znajduje się w stosunkowo podobnej sytuacji - ma farmę, w której trzyma zwierzęta i uprawia owoce, warzywa, zioła i tak dalej, teraz buduje szklarnię, aby rozszerzyć swoje portfolio. Pomimo tego, że jego rodzina pracuje na farmie, ma sklep internetowy z częściami samochodowymi i zarabia na życie. Mówi, że oprócz niestabilnego dochodu z działalności rolniczej dużym problemem są różne zanon1235093333ny legislacyjne sprzyjające dużym gospodarstwom - twierdzą, że są one dostosowane do potrzeb Agroferta, firmy premiera Babiša. Co drobni rolnicy muszą zrobić, aby zarabiać na życie w Europie Środkowej? Koncentrujesz się na jednej uprawie i powiększasz pole? I może jakoś pomóc tym ludziom?"
1,57809,2019-08-09T16:25:55.125Z,10524,0,10,9,2,0,0,12.0,57809,anon1794848168,anon1794848168,"Pochodzę z województwa lubelskiego, chociaż urodziłem się na Pomorzu - w Lęborku. Od 3 roku  życia mieszkałem we R., na styku Polski, Ukrainy i Białorusi. W 1999 roku przeprowadziłem się do O. na studia. Tutaj skończyłem studia, znalazłem pracę, założyłem rodzinę, tutaj się mój syn urodził. Moja pierwsza praca była w organizacji pozarządowej - od 2005 r. staż i nieprzerwanie do tej pory. Pracuję głównie w organizacjach pozarządowych, ewentualnie prowadzę własny biznes. Współprowadzę. W organizacjach jestem księgowym. Zajmuję się administracją finansową,  pisaniem projektów, rozliczaniem, całą działką finansową. Zatrudnienie jest stabilne, ale niestabilne są zarobki. Specyfika pracy w NGOsach – raz jest dobrze, raz jest kiepsko. W 2004 roku to było 800-900 zł netto. Teraz jest nieźle, bo jestem zatrudniony w spółdzielni. To moja pierwsza w życiu umowa o pracę. Spółdzielnia płaci mi pełny ZUS, a z dwóch robót dostaję ok. 2 000 zł netto. W kolejnych miesiącach nie wiem jak będzie, bo jedne projekty się kończą, drugie się zaczynają. Moje wynagrodzenie jest mocno labilne. Od 2013 r. z dwóch prac moje wynagrodzenie nie spadło poniżej 1000 zł. W listopadzie 2014 roku otworzyliśmy własny biznes. Byłem szefem kuchni w wegańskiej restauracji. Nie wiem jak to godziłem. Do tego w styczniu 2013 r. zostałem ojcem, więc trzeba było wygospodarować jakiś czas na bycie ojcem. W restauracji pracowałem od 6:00 do 12:00, potem szybko ogarniałem księgowość, po czym wymienialiśmy się z żoną przy synu. W organizacjach cały czas jestem zatrudniony na umowach zlecenia. Nie anon1235093333ło to dla mnie znaczenia. Skadki na ubezpieczenie emerytalne mam płacone. Nie mam stażu pracy. Musiałbym dociągnąć do 65 lat, żeby dostać emeryturę. Od zlecenia i tak mam płacone pełne składki, więc mój kapitał cały czas rośnie. W niektórych miesiącach mam 1 500 zł brutto przez pół roku, potem przez miesiąc - dwa mam mniej, ale później przez kolejne pół roku mam 2 000 zł brutto. Raz jest mniej, raz jest więcej. Możliwe, że nazbierałoby się na zasiłek dla bezrobotnych w razie konieczności rejestracji w urzędzie pracy. 

Mam 39 lat. Nie mam takiego poczucia, że funkcjonuję niestabilnie. Moje potrzeby dostosowuję do moich zasobów. Staram się nie żyć ponad stan. Co prawda nie mam za bardzo oszczędności, bo poanon1547754019m mojemu starszemu bratu finansowo. Gdybym nie musiał mu poanon1547754019ć, byłbym w stanie nawet jakieś oszczędności wygenerować. 

Pierwszy kredyt - na 25 000 zł - zaciągnęliśmy prawie po roku na doposażenie restauracji. Na start żona dostała 40 000 zł dofinansowania i to nam wystarczyło. To była dotacja z projektu unijnego na aktywizację kobiet wchodzących na rynek pracy. Plus była możliwość rozliczenia dotacji kwotami brutto i mieliśmy jeszcze prawo odliczyć VAT, czyli ten VAT do nas wrócił. Tyle tylko, że  kasa ze zwrotu VAT musiała być przeznaczona na dalszy rozwój firmy. I tak było. Od samego początku zatrudnialiśmy 2 osoby, a w szczycie nawet 4 osoby na pełny etat, plus nas dwoje i 2-3 osoby na ułamek etatu, tj.: przychodziły po 3-4 godziny dziennie. Były miesiące, gdzie mieliśmy plecy i miesiące, w których była górka finansowa. W sumie to się jakoś bilansowało. Prowadziliśmy biznes do grudnia 2018 r. Cały czas byłem zaangażowany przez 4-5 godz. dziennie, czasami mniej, czasami więcej. Sprzedaliśmy restaurację, bo trafił się bardzo dobry kupiec, który dał nam cenę powyżej wartości rynkowej. Druga taka oferta mogłaby się nie trafić. Szczególnie, że wiedzieliśmy, że będziemy się angażować w spółdzielnię. Prowadzenie dwóch biznesów naraz byłoby trochę trudne. W połowie 2018 r zaciągnęliśmy kredyt na kupno działki z domem. Kasa ze sprzedaży restauracji poszła na spłatę tego kredytu. Jeszcze go spłacamy. Nie wiem dokładnie ile. Trzeba by żony spytać. Żona spłaca kredyt, a ja utrzymuję dom. Płacę za rachunki, za wynajem mieszkania. Miesięcznie mamy ok. 1 000 – 1 100 zł kosztów stałych, bo bardzo mało płacimy za wynajem. Czyli z całego mojego wynagrodzenia utrzymuję rodzinę. Wynajęliśmy mieszkanie w maju 2012 r. i wtedy kosztowało 600 zł plus drobne opłaty. Było prawie do generalnego remontu. Od tego czasu nie podniesiono nam czynszu. Wzrastają tylko opłaty niezależne od wynajmującego: woda, gaz. Mieszkanie jest w ścisłym centrum. Mamy ogrzewanie gazowe. 

Nie mam za bardzo porównania, ale uważam, że wszystkie moje obowiązki nie wpływają za bardzo na wychowanie dziecka. Szczególnie, że pracujemy razem z żoną. To nie jest taki model jak w innych rodzinach, że ojca nie ma cały dzień w domu, bo musi pracować; że widujemy się tylko wieczorem i czasami w weekendy. My spędzamy ze sobą dużo czasu. Syn jest często z nami w pracy. Co prawda ogląda coś w telefonie albo bawi się gierkami, ale jestem przy nim fizycznie. Może w każdym momencie przyjść, przytulić się, pogadać. To są trochę plusy i trochę minusy, bo czasami muszę się zająć innymi rzeczami. Zazwyczaj weekendy spędzamy razem. Od czasu do czasu poanon1547754019ją nam dziadkowie: albo jedni albo drudzy. Nie ma z tym problemu. Mam ten komfort, że zawsze mogę liczyć na rodziców. 

Syn od września idzie do zerówki, ale w systemie Montessori to jest pierwsza klasa. To jest tak zrobione, żeby pasowało do reformy szkolnictwa. W Montessori dzieciaki zaczynają edukację szkolną w wieku 6 lat, ale nie mogą tego nazwać pierwszą klasą, bo wtedy dzieciaki musiałyby mieć specjalną opinię od psychologa, że mogą już iść do szkoły. Oficjalnie to jest oddział przedszkolny zerowy, ale programowo zaczynają już edukację szkolną. Nie było problemu z przedszkolem. Na początku zapisaliśmy syna do zwykłego oddziału, a potem okazało się, że mogą go przenieść do oddziału Montessori - w ramach tego samego przedszkola. Wiedziałem co to jest za system. Poza tym córka mojego przyjaciela chodzi tam i on polecał. W dużym skrócie: w tym systemie nauczyciel zwraca dużą uwagę na predyspozycje dziecka i stara się go rozwijać w tym kierunku. Syn będzie chodził do publicznej szkoły w systemie Montessori. Są dwie publiczne szkoły Montessori w Polsce: w O. i w Krakowie. Obawiam się, że nie byłoby nas stać na czesne w prywatnej szkole. Syn dostał się bez żadnego problemu, więc musiał mieć bardzo dobrą opinię z przedszkola, do którego chodzi teraz. W tym systemie edukacja szkolna trwa 9 lat, razem z zerówką. Nie mamy w związku z tym dodatkowych kosztów, większych niż w tradycyjnej publicznej szkole.  

Korzystałem z podstawowej opieki zdrowotnej. Dwa razy anon1235093333łem poważniejszy zabieg - zawsze publicznie. Nigdy zbyt długo nie oczekiwałem na wizytę. Byłem przyjęty z dnia na dzień do specjalisty. Badania też raczej robili mi od ręki. Dwukrotnie syn był w szpitalu i też opieka była na całkiem niezłym poziomie. Trzeba było się przespać na bardzo niewygodnym krzesełku na sali, ale nie robili problemów, żeby rodzic został z dzieckiem na cały dzień. Chciałbym, żeby lekarze zarabiali więcej. Wtedy lekarze nie musieliby dorabiać prywatnie i w innych klinikach To wymusza bieda zarobków państwowych. Mój brat stryjeczny jest lekarzem ginekologiem - syna widzi w sobotę i w niedzielę, bo cały tydzień pracuje poza miejscem zamieszkania. Raz skorzystałem z prywatnej opieki zdrowotnej, z inicjatywy matki, lata temu, bo umówiła wizytę dla brata, ale on nie mógł być, więc ja poszedłem na jego miejsce.

Byłem zarejestrowany w urzędzie pracy, bo chciałem dostać staż finansowany przez urząd chwilę po ukończeniu studiów, żeby pracować w organizacji. Dostałem 1 000 zł na dziecko i potem przez rok anon1235093333łem dodatek pielęgnacyjny w wysokości ok. 100 zł miesięcznie. Od lipca będziemy dostawać 500 plus na syna. Nie wpływa to na nasz budżet tak bardzo. Chcę te pieniądze odkładać na subkoncie i przeznaczyć je na potrzeby i dalszy rozwój syna. W tym momencie nie byłbym w stanie założyć takiego funduszu w podobnej wysokości, tylko na poziomie ok. 150-200 zł. 

Jestem agnostykiem, czyli de facto mam to w dupie. Tak jak powiedział Bertrand Russell: jak teista mówi „Bóg jest”, ateista: „Boga nie ma”, tak agnostyk mówi: „A ja mam to w dupie”. Nie dokonałem apostazji. Nie jest mi to potrzebne, nie jest dla mnie istotne. Rodzice starali się mnie  wychować w duchu anon3213561856olicyzmu, a anon681684766 nadal próbuje. Poglądy takie nabyłem w wieku 15 lat i jestem im wierny. Uważam siebie za radykalnego demokratę i anarchistę. W wieku 15 lat fascynowałem się historią XIX i XX wieku. Moi koledzy szli w kierunku nacjonalizmu, a mnie jarały idee wolnościowe. Potem doszła muzyka, kontrkultura punkowa i tak się potoczyło. Na szereg kwestii mam zupełnie inny pogląd niż większość społeczeństwa. Jestem osobą bardziej otwartą i tolerancyjną. Ważniejsze są dla mnie sprawy socjalne, międzyludzkie, dobrobyt społeczny niż własne bogacenie się. Dużo rzeczy mnie irytuje. Szczególnie w dzisiejszych czasach irytuje mnie dominująca rola kościoła anon3213561856olickiego w Polsce; że ich narracja jest narzucana, ich wartości. Denerwuje mnie pozorny wzrost sił skrajnie prawicowych, chociaż uważam to za problem dużo nadmuchany w Polsce. W rzeczywistości te środowiska są mniej liczne i mniej oddziałujące niż chce się je przedstawiać. Media głównego nurtu i środowiska liberalne straszą ONR (przyp.: Obóz Narodowo - Radykalny) i Młodzieżą Wszechpolską, gdzie aktywnych członków jest mniej niż 10 000. W społeczeństwie, gdzie żyje nas 35 mln to promil promila. Te środowiska mają wsparcie w środowiskach kibicowskich, ale te są bardzo labilne i powierzchowne. Dzisiaj popierają prawicę, ale za 2-3 lata stadiony będą mocno lewicowe. Nie jest tak, że kibice są zawsze po prawej stronie, a nie po lewej. Kibice Polonii Warszawa i St. Pauli też są w Polsce obecni. Jest kupa ludzi chodzących regularnie na mecze, ale mających poglądy lewicowe. Ci najbardziej skrajni są najanon3121054521ziej głośni i głównie ich widać. Jest ich garstka, ale że to oni kręcą oprawami meczu, przyjmuje się, że to pogląd całego stadionu, co nie jest prawdą. Nie można powiedzieć, że przez grupkę 10-15 kiboli powiązanych z neofaszystami, wszyscy kibole są neonazistami. Na przykładzie kibiców Lecha Poznań: oni włączyli się bardzo przeciw ACTA, a w Poznaniu to wszystko kręciło środowisko związane z ultralewackim Rozbratem. Jest silna narracja źle pojętego patriotyzmu, ale nie widzę w tym mocnego zagrożenia, że nagle odrodzi się w Polsce ruch faszystowski czy nazistowski. Oczywiście wychodzę z założenia, że jeśli w Polsce jest jeden faszysta, to jest o tego jednego za dużo. Niestety zawsze będą ludzie, których będą pociągały te idee, tak samo jak innych będą pociągały idee wolnościowe czy anarchistyczne.

Anarchizm to dla mnie jak najmniej współpracy z państwem i jak najwięcej tworzenia ruchów oddolnych, wywalczanie sobie jak najwięcej własnej przestrzeni; przez działalność pozarządową mocno niehierarchiczną, nieustrukturyzowaną, jak food not bombs czy tworzenie niezależnych przestrzeni, gdzie może toczyć się życie społeczne, jak Rozbrat w Poznaniu lub Tektura w Lublinie. Wiem, że to totalna utopia, że obalimy kiedyś państwo, ale chodzi o to, żeby wywalczyć sobie jak najwięcej przestrzeni do działań. Środowiska wolnościowe robią dobrą robotę w działalności społeczno – politycznej, czyli jakieś akcje loanon3213561856orskie, pomocowe, np.: wspieranie w walce o lepsze warunki pracy, tworzenie związków zawodowych, społecznych przedsiębiorstw, które próbują zawalczyć o miejsce na wolnym rynku. Nie głosuję w wyborach, ale w następnych prawdopodobnie się złamię i zagłosuję. Chciałbym, żeby był złamany duopol władzy PO-PIS i zamierzam głosować na Partię Razem, czyli lewicową. W niektórych rzeczach jest mi blisko do nich, w niektórych nie. Mimo to uważam, że warto na nich głosować. W dziedzinie pomocy społecznej, socjalnej, podejścia ekologicznego i do sytuacji międzynarodowej jest mi bliski. Chodzi o nurt pacyfistyczny – ograniczenie finansowania misji zagranicznych polskiego wojska, np.: Irak, Afganistan, gdzie nie było nam to potrzebne. Nie jest tak, że jedna partia jest tylko dobra albo tylko zła. Niektóre pomysły PIS są dobre i warte kontynuowania, np.: 500 plus. To jest jedyny dobry program społeczny, reszta programów niby prospołecznych to faktycznie buble albo nie są w ogóle realizowane. Program Mieszkanie plus to paradoks, gdzie za brak opłaty czynszowej można być od razu wyrzuconym z mieszkania. W przypadku 500 plus wprowadziłbym na pewno kryterium dochodowe. Nie na wydumanym poziomie 800 zł – 1 000 zł, tylko osoby z dochodem powyżej 2 000 – 2 500 zł nie dostawałyby 500 plus. Zupełnie nie umiem się ustawić na dychotomii lewica- prawica, bo ona odeszła do lamusa i nijak się nie da. Wszystkie internetowe kompasy polityczne piszą, że byłbym idealnym wyborcą korwinistów, narodowców i innych, np.: jestem za obniżeniem podatku dochodowego i podatków od prowadzenia małych działalności, za totalnym uproszczeniem, żeby nie tworzyć biurokracji, ale też jestem za utworzeniem kilku progów podatkowych: 10, 18, 32, 40, żeby wszyscy się dokładali w anon1235093333rę swoich możliwości. Dla niektórych 18% to jest bardzo dużo podatku, a dla innych 32% to bardzo mało.

Wiosna nie jest partią lewicową, tylko liberalną. Aksjologicznie jest lewicowa, ale gospodarczo jest mocno liberalna. SLD ciężko nazwać partią lewicową. Oni są lewicą tylko z nazwy. Głównym punktem programowym Wiosny jest walka o prawa osób LGBT. To ważne, ale nie najważniejsze. Polska potrzebuje rozwiązania innych problemów, trzeba ustalić hierarchię wartości. Dla mnie ważniejsza jest walka z wykluczeniem społecznym, szczególnie ludzi na wschodzie Polski. PIS dobrze odczytało czego ludzie potrzebują w pasie wschodnim, dlatego utrzymuje się tam tak wysokie poparcie. 500 plus dużo dało, teraz PIS zapowiada, że będzie starało się walczyć z wykluczeniem komunikacyjnym. Szczególnie na wschodzie widać, że to dla ludzi duży problem. Nie mają jak dojechać do większego anon1235093333sta oddalonego o 10-15 km, nie posiadając własnego samochodu. Miasteczka takie jak Włodawa czy Łańcut wyludniają się i zostają sami starzy ludzie, bo te anon1235093333steczka są dla młodych ludzi zupełnie nieatrakcyjne.

Największym problemem w Polsce są problemy ekologiczne i ochrony przyrody. Rząd w żaden sposób nie stara się walczyć z problemem globalnego ocieplenia, który dotyka nas coraz mocniej i wyanon1547754019 radykalnych zanon1235093333n globalnie. Nie ma choćby lokalnych programów walki ze smogiem, który dusi każde anon1235093333sto w Polsce. Te problemy są zupełnie pomijane, tylko gdzieś tam na samym końcu się o nich wspomina. Chodzi o realne programy, a nie wydumane jak Wiosny, że do 2030 roku zamkniemy wszystkie kopalnie i elektrownie węglowe. To jest jakaś fantazja.

Problemy społeczne są marginalizowane. Są pokazywane jako hamulcowy rozwoju Polski, tak jak ekologia. Rozwój anon1235093333sta to jak największa ilość bloków, zalewanie betonem i walka z zielenią, tworzenie nowych miejsc parkingowych i szerszych ulic, ale to w praktyce zwijanie anon1235093333sta. Jak na przykładzie Lublina, racje ludzi z pieniędzmi są ważniejsze niż tych, którzy chcą, żeby to anon1235093333sto nadawało się do życia, żeby nas nie dusił smog, żeby transport był w dużej mierze publiczny, a nie oparty na prywatnym samochodzie, żeby anon1235093333sto było zielone, w anon1235093333rę czyste, i żeby było w anon1235093333rę zdrowe powietrze. Ludzie w Polsce nie rozumieją pewnych problemów. Cały czas globalne ocieplenie jest przedstawiane jako wymysł grupy naukowców, nie do końca potwierdzony i prawdziwy. Czy to dotyczy Polski? Fajnie, że będzie globalne ocieplenie, bo będzie gorące lato. Jak kiedyś się wypowiedział Roman Giertych, że on jest za globalnym ociepleniem, bo w Polsce będą rosły cytryny. Ludzie nie zdają sobie sprawy, że kryzys migracyjny też jest poniekąd spowodowany globalnym ociepleniem. Tereny w Afryce coraz bardziej pustynnieją. Ludziom brakuje środków, żeby tam żyć i ciągną do zachodniej Europy. Ludzie często nie widzą pewnych powiązań. Ale też nikt nie stara się w prosty, przejrzysty sposób im tego wytłumaczyć: że to co robimy w Polsce, ma wpływ globalny."
2,57908,2019-08-13T12:04:49.145Z,10524,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,57809,anon750699873,anon1794848168,"Hej, pozdro od byłej punkówy i działaczki NGOsowej, która na hasło księgowość robi duże oczy i odsyła do koleżanki biegłej w rozliczeniach ;) Jak zaczęłam czytać Twoją historię to uderzyły mnie liczby i zastanowiło podobieństwo do moich rozterek. Też pierwszą umowę o pracę dostałam ledwo dwa lata temu a mam lat ponad 30. Zastanawia mnie - co sprawia, że pozwalamy się tak traktować w imię ""wyższych idei""? Że tak my, jak i wielu innych działaczy z organizacji pozarządowych - uznaje, że trzeba być wdzięcznym za każdy ochłap, że pracujemy często po godzinach bez wynagrodzenia? Jak myślisz?"
1,57626,2019-08-06T09:21:15.503Z,10482,0,12,11,30,0,0,212.4,57626,anon4241195410,anon4241195410,"<image here> 
 

_Proč PopRebel?_
O tomto projektu jsem se dozvěděl z reklamy na facebooku. Projekt se mi na první pohled docela zalíbil. O pár dnů později, na druhý pohled, mě projekt opravdu nadchnul - začal se mi líbit jako takový, stejně jako moje vize mého místa v něm.

_Biochemie, cestování a nový začátek_
Když jsem v roce 2007, v devatenácti letech, začal studovat biochemii na Masarykově univerzitě, ani jsem pořádně nevěděl, proč jsem si studium biochemie vybral. (To mě později v životě trochu dohnalo a teď si říkám, že by tehdy nebylo špatný to víc promyslet nebo se s někým hlouběji poradit. Ale co už.) Každopádně na studiích se mi vedlo velice dobře. Velmi mě totiž bavilo získávat vědomosti o tom, jak funguje mikrosvět kolem nás. Studoval jsem zákonitosti chemických interakcí, strhujici život bakterií nebo pochody, které zajišťují životní funkce v lidském těle. Do hloubky jsem se věnoval studiu prostorové (3D) struktury biomolekul. Díky studiu jsem toho hodně procestoval. V roce 2010 jsem strávil semestr v Brazilském Salvadoru, poté tři semestry ve francouzském Grenoblu. Tehdy jsem objevil své velké vášně: cestování s batůžkem a chození po horách. Díky vědeckým úspěchům z Grenoblu jsem potom mohl pracovat ve velmi prestižních vědeckých institucích - v německém Heidelbergu a ve Vídni. Tou dobou mi začalo docházet, že práce ve výzkumu už mi nesedí, a taky že jsem se na ni osobnostně nikdy moc nehodil.

A tak, když začínal rok 2018, vrátil jsem se po čtyřech letech strávených ve Vídni do rodného Brna, kde jsem začal hledat novou životní cestu. Na částečný úvazek sice pořád dělám vědu, ale chtěl bych dělat víc s lidmi než v kanclu. A chtěl bych dělat na něčem, na čem mi zase bude hodně záležet, na něčem, co mi bude dávat smysl. Taky jsem samo sebou vyzkoušel pár věcí, co moc smysl nedávaly:)

_Co dělám teď_
Teď mnohem jasněji vidím, co mi jde a co mě baví, a vím, že mi dává smysl angažovat se otázkách životního prostředí a taky v otázkách důstojného a smysluplného žití. Na Masarykově univerzitě se teď na částečný úvazek věnují rozvoji mezinárodního projektu pro program Horizont2020 na podporu environmentálního vzdělávání. V rámci projektu koordinuji spolupráci mezi fakultami několika univerzit, městskými samosprávami, vědeckými institucemi, neziskovkami a ekofarmami. Rád bych se taky silně věnoval podpoře aktivního občanství a dobrovolnictví.

Takže představa účastnit se projektu PopRebel se mi strašně líbí. Moc rád bych pomáhal rozbíhat debatu o tom, co nás dělá šťastnými, co nás trápí, co nám může zlepšovat naše živobytí a co může náš blahobyt naopak podkopávat

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_Why PopRebel?_
I learned about this project from a facebook add. Not so romantic, haha. At first glance, I liked the project quite well. A few days later, at second glance, the project really excited me - I began to like the project as such as well as my vision of my place within that project.

_Biochemistry, travelling and a new beginning_
When I started studying biochemistry at Masaryk University in 2007 at the age of 19, I didn't really know why I chose to study biochemistry. (Now I think that then it would not be a bad idea having this choice thought a bit more carefully or consulted with somebody more deeply. Well, later in life, it had returned to me.) Anyway, I did quite well in my studies. I really enjoyed gaining knowledge about how the micro-world around us works. I studied the patterns of chemical interactions, the mind-blowing life of bacteria or the processes that underlie functions in the human body. I have studied in depth the spatial (3D) structure of biomolecules. Also, thanks to my studies I could travel a lot. In 2010 I spent a semester in Salvador, Brasil, and, after, three semesters in Grenoble, France. That's when I discovered my great passions: backpacking and mountaineering. Thanks to scientific achievements from Grenoble, I was able to work in the most prestigious scientific institutions - in Heidelberg and Vienna. At that time, I began to realize that the researcher's life was no longer for me, and that I had never actually suited for it personality-wise.

With the beginning of 2018, after four years spent in Vienna I have returned to my hometown of Brno, where I began to look for a new direction in life. I still do science part-time, but I'd rather like to work with people than in an office. And I want to do something that actually matters a lot to me, something that makes sense to me. But indeed, I also tried a few things that didn't make too much sense :)

_What I'm doing now_
Now, things are far more clear, knowing much better what I am good at, what suits me and knowing that I want to engage heavily in the environmental questions and the questions related to a dignified and meaningful life. At Masaryk University I am now part-time managing the preparation of an international project for the Horizon2020 program to support environmental education. Within the project I coordinate cooperation between faculties of several universities, municipalities, scientific institutions, non-profit organizations and organic farms. I would also like to focus heavily on promoting active citizenship and volunteering.

In the context of all this, I am very excited by the chance to participate in the PopRebel project. I'd be glad to launch more debates on what makes us happy, what bothers us, what can improve our livelihoods or what can undermine our well-being."
2,57654,2019-08-06T14:51:11.243Z,10482,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,57626,anon3353600255,anon4241195410,"Ahoj (z Prahy:) a díky moc za příspěvek! Jsem rád, že vědecká dráha není jenom jednosměrná kolej, ale že může mít pozitivní vyústění i jiným směrem, než jenom ve vlastním úzkém profilu (osobně bych rád tímhle způsobem přemýšlel i o mojí kariéře). 

Zároveň jsem rád, že i když to třeba na politické úrovni až tak nevypadá, čím dál tím víc lidí se anagžuje v environmentálních otázkách. Mohl bys případně říct něco víc k tomu, jakou konkrétní náplň nebo cíle má ten projekt, na kterém pracuješ? Téma nějakého obecného environmentálního povědomí se zdá nabývat na čím dál větší intenzitě (jak vyplývá i z hovoru s @anon3130013067 tady https://edgeryders.eu/t/politika-v-cesku-je-spise-o-marketingu/10422) a já sám se cítím (jakožto člověk s humanitním vzděláním) nedovzdělanej:)"
3,57696,2019-08-07T09:11:01.765Z,10482,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,57654,anon4241195410,anon3353600255,"Díky, Jirko, za odpověď.

Co se týče té vědy.... Já si myslím, že věnovat se celý život jednomu vědnímu oboru lze jen za předpokladu, že tě to opravdu hodně baví, nebo až fascinuje. Pokud to tak člověk nemá, tak věda dokáže být hodně vyčerpávající :grinning:

K mojim enviro aktivitám...který mě teď děsně baví :smile:  
Jednak patřím do skupiny lidí, která se v Brně snaží vytvořit platformu, nebo až koalici ""všech"" enviro hnutí. Na té platformě se potkáváme a koordinujeme snahy našich hnutí..tak aby byly efektivní a spěly k našim hlavním cílům. Teď na září připravujeme Týden pro klima. Součástí budou velké akce, které mají upozornit veřejnost na problém klimatické krize. Bude to snad velký :wink:

A na Masarykově Univerzitě koordinuju Horizon2020 projekt, kde budeme lidi vzdělávat ohledně vody. Složení vody, znečišťující faktory, velice podrobně koloběh vody, monitoring vodních zdrojů, péče o vodu a management vody. A krom vzdělávání chceme lidi vtáhnout do toho, aby se podílely i oni na ochraně vodních zdrojů."
4,57699,2019-08-07T10:04:48.050Z,10482,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,57626,anon2446385507,anon4241195410,"Hi anon4110936133, Haló!

Osobně jsem pro to, aby v otázkách klimatu byla občanská činnost vzdělávacím nástrojem. Myslím, že učení se děje v ulicích víc než na konferencích - lidé, kteří chodí na pochody za klimatem a pracují na nich, jsou odborníci a pedagogové, pokud se ptáte mě. Uvědomil jsem si to, když někteří přátelé, kteří si vůbec neuvědomují problémy společnosti, přišli na protest a na konci byli změněnými lidmi :-)
 A pak je tu ještě radikálnější aktivismus, který také něco mění - jako Extinction Rebellion: https://rebelie.země/

Jsem velmi zvědavý, jak byste oslovil lidi, aby se podělili o příběhy v tomto projektu? Jak byste vysvětlil, co děláme? Jaký přínos by mělo připojení se k diskusím s lidmi, které člověk osobně nezná, v situaci, kdy jsou mnozí skeptici vůči internetovým fórům?

PS Omlouvám se za gramatické chyby, používám strojový překlad."
5,57711,2019-08-07T11:59:56.000Z,10482,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,57699,anon4241195410,anon2446385507,"Díky, anon2649858692mi, za otázku.

Já si myslím, že lidé z těchto hnutí budou velice rádi sdílet své pocity.

1) Klimatická krize nás bude nutit k drastickým změnám našeho chování (spotřebitelského chování například).

2) Pro tyto reformy je nutné vysvětlit svému okolí, že konzum a spotřeba nejsou jediné cesty k lidskému stěstí.

Pokud se zaměříme na hodnoty a osobnostní rozvoj, raději než na pouhý nákup předmětů, může se naše společnost posunout kupředu a navíc také snížit nároky na přírodní zdroje.

Pro tento okruh lidí je tedy naše téma, myslím, velmi velmi zajímavé.

PS: Já také pracuji jako manažer romské hudební skupiny Feri and the Gypsies. Tato pozice mi dovoluje přátelit se s lidmi z romské komunity. Romská komunita je velice zajímavá z mnoha důvodů a mýslím, že její členové budou taé rádi sdělovat svoje pocity ohledně svojí pozice ve společnosti a o jejich ""well-being"". Navíc práce s Romy a zviditelnění romské problematiky často odstartuje reakci části společnosti, která romskou komunitu pomlouvá. Možná i tito lidé mají svoje problémy a postrádají svůj ""voice"". Tito lidé pak taky často slyší na olání různých bizarních politických skupin.

st 7. 8. 2019 v 12:14 odesílatel anon2446385507 via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
6,57784,2019-08-09T08:01:18.767Z,10482,1,7,6,1,0,0,11.4,57626,anon3593942245,anon4241195410,Good to see you anon4110936133! I am really looking forward to your story (is it going well? any questions or doubts?) and hopefully rolling the ball together very soon :))
7,57797,2019-08-09T10:41:05.732Z,10482,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,57784,anon4241195410,anon3593942245,"Thank you, Natalia. The interview is out.
It was my forst time so I had faced some issues. With leading the interview, with editing, technical things as well.

But at the end I like that interview and also the experience of interviewing my dad :)"
1,57216,2019-07-27T10:19:28.240Z,10422,0,15,14,12,0,0,93.0,57216,anon3130013067,anon3130013067,"Jmenuju se Natálie Jirovcová, žiju v Praze už 15 let a jsem student literatury na Vysoké škole kreativni komunikace. Ve volném čase si přivydělávám jako číšnice v kavárně.

_Co Tě pohání a motivuje v životě za současné situace v Tvojí zemi? Nebo Tě něco frustruje natolik, že to nemůžeš nechat být?_

Nikdy jsem se moc oficiálně nezapojovala do akcí týkajících se nějaké problematiky ve společnosti, přestože mě osobně iritovala například xenofobie, kterou je atmosféra v Česku prosáknutá. Té jsem se stavěla sama, jako člověk. Teď jsem se však poprvé zapojila do protestu proti Babišovi na Letné a to z jediného důvodu – odmítnutí Pařížské dohody Českou republikou. Mojí motivací k takovému kroku bylo to, že nyní již pocitově jsou cítit velké teplotní změny a sucho se odráží na flóře ve městech i ve volné přírodě. Frustroval mě odmítavý a poněkud sobecký přístup ze strany premiéra.

_Jelikož se snažíme porozumět politickému kontextu a tomu, proč lidé volí populistické politiky v České republice, ráda bych se zeptala, čím jsou jsou v současnosti tak atraktivní? Jaké potřeby, sny nebo ambice slibují naplnit?_ 

Myslím si, že je to z více, než z jednoho důvodu. Zaprvé, mnoho lidí (včetně mě) nemá přehled o politické scéně a ani moc nerozumí daným programům, co že jim to vlastně daná strana slibuje. Proto je politika v Česku je spíše o marketingu. Kdo má více bilboardů, kdo je víc vidět. Pak už je jedno, co na ně napíšete. Pokud si dobře vzpomínám, Babiš například sliboval větší důchody – a opravdu, důchod se zvýšil. To, že ty peníze byly přislíbené již dávno a Babiš byl pouze ten, kdo je předal z ruky do ruky, to je vedlejší. Jenže o to jde: důvod, proč jsou tu úspěšní přesně tito politici, je ten, že jejich kampaně často míří na staré lidí, jejichž důvěra se získá snadno. Takže tak: malá politická gramotnost, marketingové kampaně a zacílení na početnou, snadno zísanon3213561856elnou skupinu. 

_Uvažují Češi pozitivně o své budoucnosti? Jaká nálada panuje v zemi v současnosti nakolik se během posledních let měnila?_

Myslím si, že se to liší člověk od člověka. Já například pozitivní jsem. Jsem tady ráda a na Česko jsem zatím ještě nezanevřela. Líbí se mi, jak se například Praha stává víc a víc multikulturním městem. Líbí se mi, že mnoho lidí pobyt v Česku vyhledává. Líbí se mi, kolik mladých lidí (18-30) je dneska otevřené změnám a aktivismu a vlastně i debatě o věcech, které nám nevyhovují. Ale najdou se i tací, kteří už od zvolení Zemana či Babiše mluví o emigraci."
2,57435,2019-08-01T14:04:03.375Z,10422,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,57216,anon3353600255,anon3130013067,"Ahoj, díky moc za sdílení názorů a zajímavých postřehů. Nad otázkou základní obecné informovanosti a toho nakolik se z politické debaty vytratil obsah se občas zamýšlím také. Neexistuje člověk, který má přehled úplně o všem. Já sám si často uvědomuju, že mnohdy principům problémů, ke kterým jsou diskutována řešení, nerozumím.

Podle mého je do očí bijící, nakolik se debata ze strany Andreje Babiše o životním prostředí scvrkla na máme/nemáme/zařídíme vodu, naprosto izolovaná od všech dalších souvislostí. Moje znalosti o našem ekosystém jsou minimální, můžu si jenom domýšlet. Znáš v tomhle ohledu nějakou webovku/ facebookovou skupinu v češtině, která by fungovala jako ekologický ""fact checking""? Mám pocit, že v ČR se v posledních letech podobné iniciativy s ohledem na ověřování různých tvrzení politiků poměrně rozjely, ale nějakou zaměřenou na životní prostředí jsem nezaznamenal.."
3,57702,2019-08-07T10:30:00.517Z,10422,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,57216,anon2446385507,anon3130013067,"Ahoj a vítejte v Edgeryders, jsem někdo, kdo tu byl od začátku.

Nedávno jsem byl na několika protestech za oblast klimatu - pravidelně se konají v Bruselu. Nejsou namířeny proti jednomu politikovi, ale proti celé politické třídě. Myslím, že to je důvod, proč jsou tak populární a vybudovali kritické množství. Spojují lidi pro společnou věc, a ne proti jednomu zlu. To funguje při zvyšování povědomí a vzdělávání.
Změnily protesty některé vaše chování a životní styl, Natalie (@anon

PS Omlouvám se za gramatické chyby, používám strojový překlad, abych to napsal."
4,57771,2019-08-08T20:44:29.991Z,10422,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,57216,anon1172756273,anon3130013067,"Cau, No, prostě každá politická campaign je valsňe o marketing. Ale ve souvislostí české politice, jde vic o jak hnutí vytvoří campaign a jaké zpravy chce komunikovat veřejnosťí. Že starší lidi jsou lechtej ovlivnit to je taky nesmysl. Jak se vubec prospěje novej politická strana vůbec nemusí zaležit na platné voliči. 
Pak o xenofobie v Česku, tak to v Praze je  viďet a šlišet každy den. Ale že Praha se pomalu stává multi-kulturňí město, tak to ne. Že jsou tady turisty ze všech zemí neznamená že se Praha stává multi-kulturňí město. Hodňe zaleží na mistňí lidí přistu k ""cizích"" lidi co vážně žijí v Praze. Así přistup je lepší u mladých lidí co cestovalí a mají otevřeňeší názory. Ale boužel elita, jako politici, se furt vraťej k starejm názoru, jako nationalismus, atd 

Myslim že Babiš dela dobrou praci pro Českou Republiku. Lidi se soustředí na kraviny jako že byl STBak etc. Ale ma smysl pro business, ma skošenosťí v oboru financí, diplomatické vztahy a přehled co Česka republika potřebuje v budoucnosti. Taky ma super Facebook page tak nato cvakňí a dozvíte se hodně aktuálních věci.

Jo a protestí taky nevedou k prospěšních změnách. Když vážne lidi chcou zmenít občanské práva tak musí přes lobby na občanská práva. Čo je možne ale dlouhé proces."
5,57788,2019-08-09T08:23:00.729Z,10422,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,57771,anon3353600255,anon1172756273,"Ahoj, díky za názor a za to, že sis k nám našla cestu! S tou Prahou je to otázka - já si myslím, že čím dál víc lidí z ciziny si Prahu vybírá jako skutečné místo k životu. Nejenom, že se přijedou podívat, nebo tady jsou kvůli práci na rok, dva, ale že skutečně zůstávaj. Moje manželka je toho příkladem:) Z posledních pět let, co tu spolu žijeme, se takový ten každodenní provoz hodně změnil k lepšímu, nejenom u mladých lidí. Přijde mi, že lidi už se prostě tolik nepozastavěj nad tím, že někdo nemluví česky a nebojí se s ní mluvit. To podle mě býval dřív docela problém. Ale je fakt, že si můžeme klást otázku, kdy se tedy nějaké město stává multikulturní. Podle mě když dokáže přijmout lidi z různých prostředí a ti se stanou součástí jeho celkového charakteru.

Andrej Babiš má smysl pro business, ale myslím si, že záleží i na způsobu, kterým se věci dělají, u politiků jejich chování nastavuje nějaké vzory, které mohou výrazně měnit postoj společnosti. No jemu je asi docela jedno, když ho někdo usvědčí ze lží, zneužívání veřejných financí atp., což si myslím, že není v pořádku. Takové věci se dějí, ale nemělo by to být ""normální"". No myslím si, že proto lidi protestují, aby mu dali najevo, že to za normální nepovažují."
1,57603,2019-08-05T19:42:37.432Z,10477,0,11,10,2,0,0,27.2,57603,anon1763062617,anon1763062617,"Urodziłem się i mieszkam w Lublinie. Mieszkam w tym samym mieście od urodzenia - w domu, który należał do moich dziadków, więc jestem dość uprzywilejowany. Chociaż chyba nie pochodzę z rodziny inteligenckiej. Moja mama anon1235093333ła niepełne wykształcenie wyższe, a tata - zawodowe. Książek w moim domu było około 200. Zacząłem być aktywny na studiach - od 2005 roku. Najpierw zacząłem działać w kole naukowym biologów, później w studenckim kole naukowym filozofów kultury. Chodziłem do liceum prywatnego, w którym była filozofia. Dlatego koło filozofów nie było mi obce. Wiedziałem czego się spodziewać. Byłem współzałożycielem koła naukowego informacji naukowej. Chyba też na studiach zacząłem obserwować samorząd. Nie mam pojęcia skąd to się wzięło, bo w mojej rodzinie nikt nie interesował się polityką ani samorządem. Dopiero teraz, gdy działam, moja rodzina patrzy na to trochę jak na wybryk, taki nieracjonalny; kiedy przynoszę do domu naukowe informacje, np.: żeby nie kosić trawy, bo to jest dobre, reaguj z wielkim oporem. Moja siostra patrzy na to moje działanie jak na hobby. Ma podobne poglądy do moich, więc możemy podyskutować, w niej znajduję zrozumienie. Nie było w mojej rodzinie wzorców bycia aktywnym: nikt nie był nigdy w żadnym stowarzyszeniu. Dziadek był kierownikiem w lubelskim młynie, ale nie wiem czy działał w partii. Chyba tak, skoro w tamtych czasach był na takim stanowisku. Od dziadka wyniosłem, że trzeba głosować. Gdy jest możliwość wzięcia udziału w wyborach, trzeba głosować. W swoim życiu tylko raz oddałem głos nieważny. Wtedy chciałem wziąć udział w wyborach, ale wybór był jałowy: między dżumą a cholerą. Podejrzewam, że to mogło być w wyborach prezydenckich pomiędzy Komorowskim a Dudą. Jeśli ktoś mówi zmień pracę, weź kredyt, wiadomo, że takiej osoby nie można poprzeć. A kandydat PIS też nie był mi bliski.

Najbardziej intensywny okres, w którym zostałem ukierunkowany, przypadało na liceum: anon3213561856olickie i wojskowe. Tam powszechną i akceptowalną ideologią była opcja Platformy Obywatelskiej. Otwarcie mówiono, że głosuje się na Platformę. Jeden z nauczycieli był z Młodych Demokratów, czyli młodzieżówki Platformy. On mi imponował. Cały czas go cenię. Wiem, że nadal działa. Teraz jest korespondentem, chyba z Ukrainy. Moje poglądy ewoluowały przez ten czas. Kolega z Ruchu Miejskiego też chodził do tego liceum i zapytał jak to możliwe, że obaj mamy takie poglądy po tym liceum. Większość naszych znajomych wyszła stamtąd z konserwatywnymi poglądami, a lewicowe były w mniejszości. Podobnie jest w moim otoczeniu: osoby wrażliwe społecznie czy lewica to jednak mniejszość. Najliczniejsza grupa w moim otoczeniu jest liberalno – prawicowa. To czasem boli, ale jestem z nimi zżyty. Traktuję to jako poznawanie poglądów innych niż własne. Nie wykluczam ich przez poglądy. Oni też pozwalają mi poznać poglądy innych ludzi, które mogą być typowymi u większości Polaków. Spotykam się z nietolerancją, rasizmem, ksenofobią, która wynika z niewiedzy, co jest przykre. Pomimo wyjazdów na zachód ci moi znajomi przesiąkali jednak tymi negatywnymi wzorcami. Dlaczego? Jechali tylko zarobkowo, głównie do swoich znajomych, co wbrew pozorom nie wpływało na styczność z innymi osobami, tylko przede wszystkim ze swoimi odpowiednikami ideologicznymi. Będąc w enklawach robotniczych poza anon1235093333stami nie byli w stanie doświadczyć czegoś innego.

Zacząłem działać w 2008 roku w akcjach rowerowych. W 2007/2008 roku byłem kurierem rowerowym. Znajomy pokazał mi wegetariańską knajpę. Zobaczyłem to po raz pierwszy. To było coś innego. Potem poznałem na alleycatach aktywistów społecznych i gdzieś tutaj się to zaczęło. Od 10 lat prowadzę grupę dzielnicową na facebooku, od 9 lat stronę internetową, a wcześniej bloga. Wtedy już czytałem co się dzieje w Lublinie. W liceum była presja bycia na bieżąco, trzeba było kupować gazetę na wiedzę o społeczeństwie, raz pójść do filharmonii czy trzy razy na wystawę, żeby zaliczyć plastykę albo muzykę. Od 2009 roku chodzę jako obserwator regularnie na posiedzenia rady dzielnicy. W jednej z kadencji otrzymałem od ówczesnego przewodniczącego rady dzielnicy przewodnik po mieście Lublin z dedykacją dla stałego gościa posiedzeń. Trzy razy kandydowałem do rady dzielnicy i dopiero za trzecim się udało. Po jakimś czasie zrozuanon1235093333łem, że absolutnie nie można działać samodzielnie. To mówię osobom, które pytają mnie jak się zaangażować w sprawy dla siebie ważne. Nie możesz działać sam, bo się wypalisz, bo się zmęczysz. Dopiero jak wszedłem we współpracę z innymi osobami z dzielnicy - drukowaliśmy razem plaanon3213561856y, ulotki – dopiero wtedy udało mi się dostać do rady dzielnicy. Cieszę się, że na ostatnim posiedzeniu rady dzielnicy mogłem wspomnieć o czymś takim jak skrzyżowania kopenhaskie, staram się pilnować, żeby przestrzegano zarządzenia prezydenta anon1235093333sta o standardach pieszych, i edukować radnych oraz radne. Proszę żebyśmy to dopisywali w uchwałach rady dzielnicy, bo w Lublinie nie przestrzega się zarządzeń prezydenta anon1235093333sta. 

Mam trochę negatywny obraz Lublina. Chociaż ostatnio zauważyłem coś pozytywnego, np.: że wzrasta liczba osób zaangażowanych społecznie. Przykładem są Górki Czechowskie. W tym sporze nie chodzi tylko o zieleń w mieście, ale też o szacunek do mieszkańców i honor, o twarz, o prawdomówność. Mamy w tym ruchu miejskim grupy nieformalne, które pokazują, że nie tylko dzieją się złe rzeczy, ale one dają na to receptę. Nie ma woli politycznej, ale my, jako strona społeczna, liczniej staramy się naciskać na anon1235093333sto. Zaangażowałem się w ruch obrony lokalnego dużego terenu zielonego, bo to dla mnie przykład buty, arogancji, obłudy, oderwania od rzeczywistości lokalnej władzy. To dla mnie przykład, że mieszkańców się okłamuje i poniewiera, urząd nie wypełnia swoich obowiązków, bo np.: na stronie interentowej poświęconej referendum nie zamieścił wszystkich dokumentów, w których posiadaniu był. Nie informował rzetelnie o sytuacji. Chciałbym, żeby Lublin był zielony, a Górki Czechowskie są ważnym elementem walki ze smogiem. Odczuwam problemy związane ze smogiem, jeżdżę w masce przeciwsmogowej, mam swój czujnik zapylenia powietrza. Używam maski, gdy zapylenie przekracza światowe – nie polskie - normy. Czytam od dawna o tym jak tworzyć anon1235093333sta przyjazne dla ludzi. Stąd wiem więcej jak działa to anon1235093333sto i widzę, że jest źle. Uważam, że wiem jak mogłoby być lepiej. Czasem to słoanon1235093333ny zapał. W niektórych inicjatywach jestem krótko, gdy nie widzę u siebie energii do działania. Staram się nie wypruwać sobie flaków, dbać o swój czas, na odpoczynek dla siebie, znajomych czy rodziny. Sam nie zbawię świata. Jest czas pracy, jest czas odpoczynku. Trzeba mieć w tym balans. Nawet z krótkich inicjatyw zbieram doświadczenia. Powinienem, chciałbym, poznać różnych ludzi i sytuacje. Gdy idę wesprzeć strajk nauczycieli, słyszę tylko przekaz telewizji “reżimowej”. Podobnie było w akcji loanon3213561856orskiej. Bardzo mało osób w moim otoczeniu rouanon1235093333ło ten problem. Traktuję to jako samoedukację. Bycie blisko tych grup daje bardzo dużo informacji. Mogę dowiedzieć się jak to jest naprawdę. To, co wiem o mieście, zawdzięczam w dużej mierze Forum Kultury Przestrzeni, które organizowało wiele spotkań eksperckich. Wielokrotnie zapraszałem radnych dzielnicy na te spotkania, ale nigdy nikogo z nich tam nie widziałem. W tej radzie dzielnicy rozesłałem maila z wyliczeniem organizacji w Lublinie działających na rzecz poprawy stanu naszego anon1235093333sta. Na razie nie ma odzewu, ale nie można liczyć, że po jednym razie zaczą wchodzić na strony i je obserwować. Widzę, że na grupę dzielnicową wchodzą częściej (jest tam teraz ok. 5 000 osób). Wrzucam na nią też materiały edukacyjne, ostatnio o tym dlaczego drzewa w mieście są ważne. Nie zawsze spotykam się ze zrozumieniem, ale są też sojusznicy popierający ideę anon1235093333sta przyjaznego mieszkańcom.  Myślę, że to proces. Na razie jak wrzucę materiały, to chociaż przemknie im to przed oczami. To już jest coś. Za kolejnym razem może to się utrwali. Przynajmniej świadomość mieszkańców wzrośnie. 

Jako ruch miejski startowaliśmy w wyborach i nasza aktywność trochę jest, a trochę jej nie ma. Ostatnio, gdy był protest dotyczący Górek Czechowskich, przedstawiłem się jako Lubelski Ruch Miejski. Wolałbym się przedstawić jako Partia Razem, ale wiem, że to byłoby mniej akceptowalne. Czuję, że nie jest to mile widziane ze strony społecznej, żeby przedstawić się jako członek partii. Ludzie chcą być anon3760934795ityczni. Ruch miejski jest w budowie, w powijakach. Poznaliśmy się nawzajem w Lublinie, ale to jest daleki początek. Chcieliśmy, żeby to był parasol współpracy różnych organizacji, i to się udaje w przypadku Górkach Czechowskich. Nie było innego tematu w ruchu, który scaliłby różne środowiska. Ruch miejski będzie organizmem żywym, jeśli na jakąś akcję zmobilizuje różne organizacje. Chciałbym, żebyśmy wspierali się w przekrojowych obszarach: np.: na eksmisję przyjdą aktywiści Górek Czechowskich i rowerzyści, a na protest o Górkach przyjdą chociaż ludzie z akcji loanon3213561856orskiej. 

Jestem w Partii Razem od 4 lat - od momentu powstania. Obserwowanie polityki lokalnej skłoniło mnie do refleksji, że zanon1235093333na może przyjść tylko w wyniku działania partii politycznej. Działania NGOs przynoszą efekt, ale czasem, bywa doraźny, na małą skalę, a skuteczną zanon1235093333nę wprowadzi tylko partia polityczna. NGOs nie mają tej siły. Uważam, że w Polsce tak działą ten system. Przed powstaniem Partii Razem anon1235093333łem sprecyzowane poglądy, ale nie było partii dla mnie. To pierwsza partia polityczna, z którą mogę się zgodzić w 80%. Obecność w Partii też traktuję edukacyjnie. Dała mi szkolenia i warsztaty na wysokim poziomie. Dała mi dużo wiedzy: jak mówić na konferencjach, jak prowadzić social media itd. Bardzo to było cenne. Zyskałem pewność siebie dzięki temu. Lubelski Ruch Miejski może być bardziej aktywny niż Partia Razem w tym momencie, co wynika z braków kadrowych i cech charakterologicznych. W ruchu miejskim jest mniej osób, ale one są z innym spojrzeniem. W Partii Razem mamy problem z napływem nowych osób i tzw. lokomotyw. 

Osobiście mam problem, żeby określić co chcę robić. Teraz jestem radnym dzielnicy i sekretarzem, przewodniczącym klubu sportowego Bike Polo Lublin, prowadzę grupę dzielnicową na facebooku, działam w partii politycznej. Żadna z tych rzeczy nie jest bardzo absorbująca, ale każda po trosze tak. I nie wiem z czego chciałbym zrezygnować. Nie czuję się jako człowiek w pierwszym szeregu. Jestem wykonawcą, mogę organizować. Lepiej czuję się w drugim szeregu. Jestem politykiem i aktywistą. Jestem politykiem, bo startowałem w wyborach, jestem członkiem partii, a aktywistą, bo część rzeczy robię w czasie wolnym nieodpłatnie, dla idei, dla dobra społecznego, poza systemem partyjnym. A może trochę przestaję być aktywistą, chociaż bike polo nigdy nie będzie polityczne. Koledzy też na to nie pozwolą. Byli oburzeni, że mam naklejki partyjne na kołach. Wymusili na mnie, żebym je zakrył. Rozumiem, bo oni nie są aktywistami, politykami. mają stereotypowe pojęcie o polityce. Ich reakcja była typowa. Dopóki działam w bike polo, będę aktywistą. Tu też mamy problem z pozyskaniem ludzi. Mamy infrastrukturę, ale nie gramy, bo nie mamy z kim. Różne sposoby dotarcia do nowych graczy nie przynoszą efektu. Nic nie działa. Mamy instagram, media społecznościowe, rozmawiamy z ludźmi. To jest problem Lublina. Wiemy, że inne grupy sportowe też mają z tym problem. 

Będę kandydował w wyborach parlamentarnych. Mamy za mało osób. Przeraża mnie zbieranie podpisów w naszym okręgu. To jest tak wykańczające... To tak jakbyś anon1235093333ła eksmisję trzy razy w tygodniu przez miesiąc. Zauważyłem w wyborach do europarlamentu, że z Polakami jest coraz gorzej. Ludzie boją się o swoje dane typu PESEL, a teraz nawet nie chcieli brać ulotek. Według badań 70-80% Polaków chciałoby wymienić obecnie rządzących, ale nikt nie chce wziąć ulotki od nowej osoby w polityce. Duże partie mają zaplecze ludzi do zbierania podpisów, a żeby wejść do polityki jest próg wejścia – opór społeczny. Chciałbym zanon1235093333ny społecznej i zanon1235093333ny polityków, ale nic nie zrobię. Ludzie są bierni i zamknięci. To jest teraz najtrudniejsze w działaniach. Zawsze mam ulotki rowerowe. Gdy widzę nietypowy rower, stereotypowo myślę, że to jest ktoś, kto czegoś szuka. Wkładam ulotkę w rower tak, że nie da się jej nie znaleźć. Nigdy nikt nie przyjechał z takiej ulotki. Ostatni raz dwie obce osoby przyszły do nas na trening rok temu, z czego została jedna. 

Jedyna konsekwencja czy minus działalności jest taki, że zużywam energię. Czasem jak rozdaję ulotki, ktoś mnie zwyzywa. Ale tu akurat winni są ludzie, którzy rzucają wyzwiskaą, a nie działania, jakie podejmuję. Dlaczego to robię? Dla mnie to jest imperatyw. W pracy mówią mi czasem, że znowu byłem w telewizji, a w domyśle – ironicznie - że pcham się do koryta. Wpadają mi czasem myśli o emigracji. Wydaje mi się, że przez jakiś czas byłbym anonimowym obywatelem, a potem zacząłbym I tak działać. To jest takie “ja”. Po prostu to robię. Angażuję się najbardziej tam, gdzie widzę szansę na zanon1235093333nę, To mnie napędza. Dopóki mam balans, że nie wypruwam sobie flaków – działam. Wierzę w to, co robię, nie widzę negatywnych rzeczy. 
Program Partii Razem jest społeczny, inkluzywny, chce pomóc najsłabszym członkom społeczeństwa. Podobnie jak PIS. PIS wychodzi mi jako druga bliska opcja polityczna w tzw. latarnikach wyborczych. Ale oprócz programu jest jeszcze sposób, metody, poziom cywilizacyjny, szacunek. Część osób z Razem jest dla mnie inspiracją, wzorem. To osoby, które pokazują mi, że to jest dobra opcja. Znam z PISu jedną osobę, radnego, którego bardzo szanuję. Jest najlepszym samorządowcem, jakiego znam. Odwracam głowę, gdy głosuje za jakimś listem w intencji Maryi. Tego człowieka szanuję za jego działania. Razem to dla mnie cały czas nadzieja. Ma szerszy program społeczny. PIS ma pewnie w programie dużo rzeczy, część z nich wprowadza, najbardziej oddziałujące, ale to nawet nie jest malutka część. Dla mnie ważny jest zrównoważony transport i bezpieczeństwo, z czym PIS nic nie robi. Razem daje mi wspólnotowość wartości. Nie wyobrażam sobie bycia w PIS. Jestem apostatą, nie mogę być w partii wspierającej korporację kościelną. Jeśli chodzi o religię, nie anon1235093333łem wzoru w domu – wierzący, ale niepraktykujący, to był mój start. Byłem wysyłany do kościoła ze starszym bratem, ale tam nie docierałem. W liceum religia przestała być czymkolwiek dla mnie. Poznałem wtedy deizm i agnostycyzm. Dzięki filozofii poznałem inne sposoby myślenia. Zacząłem czytać na ten temat, a na studiach wypisałem się z kościoła. Nie chcę być w organizacji, do której mnie przymusowo zapisano. Chodziłem z moimi partnerkami do kościoła, ale tylko stałem, nie brałem aktywnie udziału. Czy duchowość jest mi potrzebna? Jedynie może przeżywam cudowność natury. Mam momenty zachwytu nad przyrodą. Szukam jej też w swoich działaniach. Nie wiem czy można być człowiekiem i nie mieć sfery duchowej. Muzyka jest też dla mnie przeżyciem duchowym. Nie mam żadnych bóstw. Jako deista byłem w chórze archianon3213561856edry, ale zrezygnowałem, bo nie mogłem słuchać na żywo kazań arcybiskupa Życińskiego. Mogłem go czytać, ale nie słuchać na żywo. Nie znosiłem jego głosu. To, co chciałbym w sobie rozwinąć to sfera duchowa: “zatrzymaj się”, “pomyśl”. Cały czas mam wrażenie, że nie umiem odpoczywać; że nie robię rzeczy, które dają odpoczynek. Ciężko zjeść mi śniadanie bez telefonu w ręku. Ale robię też coś przy kwiatach, bo to lubię, coś nieobciążającego. Umiejętność odpoczywania powinno się kształcić u ludzi. 

W wyborach samorządowych startuję, bo chcę, w parlamentarnych - bo nie mamy ludzi. Moje kompetencje są odpowiednie dla samorządowca. W tym czuję się dobrze. Chciałem mieć lepszy wynik, ale taki nie był. Czasem mnie to frustruje, że poświęcam swój czas, buduję rozpoznawalność przez prowadzenie grupy dzielnicowej na facebooku, za co też ktoś mnie obraża personalnie. Uważam też, że młodych ludzi powinno się edukować do działania. Chciałem w swoje działania włączać nowe osoby, ale boję się oddać facebooka z potężną grupą odbiorców, bo nie mam na tyle zaufania, żeby to faktycznie oddać. Myślę o zrobieniu zlotu grupy dzielnicowej, ale się boję, że nie dam rady i nie mam wystarczających umiejętności interpersonalnych, organizacyjnych, kontaktów itd. Moja dzielnica (piąta pod względem wielkości w mieście) jest pierwsza w głosowaniu na bycie miejscem wydarzeń podczas Carnavalu Sztuk - Mistrzów w dzielnicach. Zamieściłem informację o głosowaniu na facebooku i od razu wywindowało wynik do góry. A takie tematy jak zrównoważony rozwój itp. są mało responsywne. Kilka osób zareaguje na taki post, ale na razie do niczego więcej to nie prowadzi. I to taka mrówcza praca u podstaw."
2,57765,2019-08-08T15:16:54.945Z,10477,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,57603,anon3379710332,anon1763062617,"Cześć @anon1763062617! Witamy w Edgeryders, i bardzo dziękuję za tę wypowiedź. Napisałeś, że ‘Program Partii Razem jest społeczny, inkluzywny, chce pomóc najsłabszym członkom społeczeństwa. Podobnie jak PIS.’ Jeśli programy Partii Razem i PiS są podobne, dlaczego więcej wyborców wybiera PiS? Czy zależy to bardziej od profilu wyborcy, a mniej od programu?"
1,57357,2019-07-30T20:24:39.007Z,10445,0,12,11,5,0,0,27.4,57357,anon2169696733,anon2169696733,"Urodziłam się w mieście powiatowym w woj. lubelskim. Mieszkałam w miejscowości nieopodal. W wieku 3,5 lat wyprowadziłam się z wioski, gdzie moi rodzice mieszkali z rodzicami mojej mamy. Przeprowadziliśmy się do osiedla przyfabrycznego. Dostaliśmy tam mieszkanie pracownicze. Mieszkałam tam do połowy siódmej klasy szkoły podstawowej. Stamtąd przeprowadziłam się do anon1235093333sta. Skończyłam trzy klasy szkoły podstawowej. Najpierw uczyłam się w miejscowości, w której mieszkaliśmy. Gdy w drugiej klasie okazało się, że ze względu na dużą liczbę dzieci, zajęcia mają być na plebanii, rodzice utworzyli szkołę w miejscowości, w której mieszkaliśmy. W mojej klasie były cztery osoby. To była malutka szkoła. Od czwartej klasy szkoły podstawowej chodziłam już do miejskiej szkoły publicznej. Potem chodziłam tam do liceum ogólnokształcącego. Później studiowałam politologię w O. oraz turystykę i rekreację w Warszawie. Mieszkałam w O. od pierwszego roku studiów. Na drugim roku studiów rodzice kupili tutaj mieszkanie dla mnie i mojego rodzeństwa. Dostawałam w tym czasie stypendium naukowe. Utrzymywałam się ze stypendium, które odkładałam, i ze wsparcia rodziców. Miałam też kredyt studencki. Już na studiach byłam związana z instytucją, która zajmowała się historią żydowską w O. Równolegle poszłam na zaoczne studia doktoranckie. Po kilku miesiącach poszłam na staż do tej instytucji. Pisałam pracę doktorską o reprezentacji Holokaustu w dyskursie publicznym.Byłam związana z projektem prowadzonym przez instytucję, w której anon1235093333łam staż. Uczyłam się wszystkiego od początku. Kontaktowałam się ze szkołami, prowadziłam działania aktywizacyjne, edukacyjne, promocyjne, czasem uzupełniałam strony internetowe, współorganizowałam spotkania otwarte, poszukiwałam osób, które zaangażowałyby się. Coraz bardziej zajmowałam się edukacją czy działaniami okołoedukacyjnymi związanymi z historią Żydów. Zbieraliśmy historie mówione, obrabialiśmy je, wymyślaliśmy nowe wyjazdowe projekty do realizacji, pisaliśmy projekty. Zajmowało to dużo czasu, bo wszystko było nowe. Wszystkiego się tam uczyłam. Wtedy byłam też w lokalnej grupie Amnesty International. Pod koniec 2008 r. odeszłam z instytucji, w której anon1235093333łam staż, i zaczęłam działać w lokalnej organizacji pozarządowej. Wynajęliśmy swoje biuro i rozkręcaliśmy mocno organizację. Wtedy tam pracowałam. Do 2013 r. byłam w organizacji pozarządowej. Dodatkowo pracowałam w obszarze kultury. Brałam inne zlecenia. Po odejściu z organizacji pozarządowej, w tym samym roku, zaczęłam prowadzić zajęcia na państwowej uczelni, pisałam projekty o dofinansowanie ze środków norweskich na działania w ośrodkach dla cudzoziemców i w szkołach. Założyłam też ze znajomymi fundację zajmującą się głównie nowymi mediami i kulturą cyfrową. W tym samym roku obroniłam pracę doktorską. Do dziś pracuję na państwowej uczelni.

Nie mam rozeznania na rynku pracy w Polsce. Na pewno to zależy od wielu czynników: jakie ma się oczekiwania, jakiej pracy się szuka itp. Minimalne wynagrodzenie zawsze będzie za niskie. Zależy też co się robi. Jak idziesz do urzędu, gdzie musisz mieć wykształcenie i kwalifikacje, i dostajesz minimalne wynagrodzenie, a gdzie indziej bez takich wyanon1547754019ń też dostajesz takie wynagrodzenie.

Mam doświadczenia związane z publiczną opieką zdrowotną. Tak naprawdę zależy na kogo trafisz. Trafiłam na takich lekarzy, dla których skręcenie nogi nie było na tyle ważne, żeby się tym jakoś przesadnie zajmować. Na koniec trafiłam na lekarza, który skierował mnie na rehabilitację, ale było za późno, żeby rehabilitacja przyniosła oczekiwane skutki. Państwo ma zagwarantować opiekę zdrowotną, to ją gwarantuje. Nikt się nie przejmuje tobą jak nie umierasz, a ponieważ jest to system źle zarządzany i pewnie niedofinansowany, bo pieniądze idą najpewniej nie tam, gdzie potrzeba, mamy co mamy. Z mojej perspektywy leczyć się prywatnie wcale nie jest lepiej niż leczyć się w publicznej placówce pod względem tego jak się tobą zajmują. Z partnerem byłam u lekarza prywatnie i w publicznej placówce. Nie widziałam zanon1235093333ny jakościowej. Największą przeszkodą był czas. Chodzi o kolejki. W przypadku mojego partnera, który anon1235093333ł poważne problemy z kolanem, nie chodziło tylko o kolejki, ale o problem ze zdiagnozowaniem. Dlatego nie widzę różnicy w leczeniu prywatnym i publicznym. Lekarze nie traktowali tego jako ważnej dla pacjenta sytuacji, w której cierpi. Mówili, że może trzeba zoperować albo że „może się zagoi, a jak się zagoi, to nie będę wysyłał pana na operację”. Jeden mówił, że operować, drugi że nie, trzeci, żeby próbować zszywać itd. Jak się zdecydowaliśmy na operację, lekarz powiedział że nie wie ile to będzie kosztowało. Rozumiem, że mają taką procedurę, że najpierw muszą zobaczyć, żeby ocenić czy uda się zszyć czy wycinać. Jednak wniosek jest niestety taki, że najlepiej mieć znajomości. Wtedy wszystko jest możliwe: każdą kolejkę da się przyśpieszyć czy zrobić zabieg, na który jak przyjdziesz z ulicy nie masz żadnych szans. Zdecydowaliśmy się jeszcze skonsultować decyzję o operacji z innym lekarzem. Ten, który anon1235093333ł operować powiedział, że to, co boli partnera, to nie jest to, co mu wytnie. Co sprawi, że będzie żył z bolącym kolanem i bez łękotki. Trafiliśmy do jeszcze innego lekarza, który okazało się, że podobnie jak mój partner, interesuje się motoryzacją, widują się na jakichś zjazdach. Wtedy zaczęła się inna rozmowa. To jest przykre, że ktoś zaczyna z tobą rozmawiać, jak cię zauważa. Nie jesteś zwykłym szarym pacjentem. Ten lekarz powiedział, żeby nie iść na razie na operację. Zapisać się publicznie w kolejkę na operację – termin za dwa lata. Wtedy zobaczymy czy jest konieczna, bo faktycznie potrzeba dużo czasu, żeby łękotka sama się zregenerowała. A prywatnie na operację można zapisać się w każdym momencie, więc na razie zrezygnowaliśmy z niej. 

Religia to dla mnie część tradycji, w której byłam wychowana. Nie jestem do końca osobą wierzącą, ale uczestniczę w obrzędach. Robię to, bo nie przeszkadza mi, żeby pójść do koscioła w trakcie jakiegoś wydrzenia. Tak jak niektórzy w niedzielę oglądają telewizję, to jak to jest ważne dla mojej rodziny, nie widzę przeszkody, żeby w tym uczestniczyć. Nie uzależniam systemu wartości od kościoła. Wartości czerpię z życia. Ważne jest, żeby być w zgodzie ze sobą, żeby mieć poczucie, że robię to, co jest słuszne. Moim zdaniem ogólnie wartości czerpie się: z rodziny, ze szkoły, niektórzy z kościoła, z grup wsparcia. To, gdzie widzę autorytety, zależy od dziedziny, np.: Bodnar jest autorytetem dla mnie w prawach człowieka, a ktoś inny w innej dziedzinie.

Zgodnie z konkordatem i praktyką kościół anon3213561856olicki jest bardzo silnie związany z państwem. To zasługa nie tylko kościoła, ale też poszczególnych polityków, co nie wiem czy płynie z ich przekonań czy kalkulacji. Wszystkie partie oprócz Wiosny i Razem czy jakichś pomniejszych partii, których nawet nie znam, są związane z kościołem anon3213561856olickim. Ten związek to nie jest pozytywne zjawisko. Nie ma przełożenia na poprawę jakości życia albo na to, że ludzie są lepsi, że kościół robi coś dla społeczeństwa. Jeden kościół dominuje w Polsce. Nie wiem czy to się zmieni i kto to mógłby zrobić, skoro politycy wiedzą, jakie to ma znaczenie polityczne, a zrobią wszystko, żeby tę władzę zdobyć. Póki co nie ma w społeczeństwie zdecydowanej większości za tym, żeby ukrócić związki państwa i kościoła. Chociaż wydaje mi się, że wiele osób po prostu się tym nie przejmuje. Nie ma to dla nich aż takiego znaczenia. 

Głosuję w większości w wyborach, w zależności od tego czy mam na kogo. Zależy to od osób kandydujących. Nie ma partii idealnej. Czasami nawet jak uważam, że dana osoba jest ok, to nie chcę popierać postulatów partii, z którymi się nie zgadzam. Mam świadomość, że w Polsce oddaje się głos na partie, a nie na ludzi, ale nie chcę oddać mojego głosu, jeśli nie jestem przekonana, że dana osoba powinna ten głos otrzymać. W ostatnich wyborach też zagłosowałam na konkretną osobę. Wiedziałam, że być może marnuję swój głos. Najgorsze jest to, że politycy decydują o tym, co się tutaj dzieje, a nie ludzie. Nasze życie zależy od nich, a politycy nie prowadzą dialogu. Działają na zasadzie kupna - sprzedaży. Najpierw nas kupują, a potem robią z tobą, co im się podoba. Dałaś się sprzedać i tyle. Nie ma takiego myślenia u polityków ani przeświadczenia u obywateli, że nie wystarczy pójść raz na cztery lata na wybory i mieć spokój, tylko mieć poczucie odpowiedzialności przed ludźmi. Politycy powinni odpowiadać na potrzeby, a nie kreować sobie sytuację, która ma przynieść poparcie. PIS świetnie wyczuł lukę w systemie, nie było tego wcześniej, a ludzie chcą mieć poczucie, że państwo będzie ich wspierało. Uważam, ze państwo powinno wspierać obywateli, tylko pytanie jak ma to robić i z jaką intencją. W tym przypadku to jest ewidentnie kupowanie ludzi przez PIS, bo żadna inna partia tego nie zrobiła nawet w minimalnym stopniu i mają przez to wysokie poparcie. Niestety robią rzecz normalną. To jest coś, co w innych państwach funkcjonuje od długiego czasu i ludzie mają przekonanie, że tak powinno być, że ludzie powinni być przez państwo wspierani, a jednocześnie państwo dużo zabiera w podatkach i opłatach. Nie mam problemu z wypłacaniem 500 zł jako wsparcie dla dzieci. Uważam, że to powinno być zrobione w inny sposób. Powinno przede wszystkim promować postawy aktywne, np.: poprzez większe ulgi podatkowe. Z drugiej strony to nie jest aż tak widoczne jak dawanie ludziom pieniędzy do ręki. Nie wiem czy to jest instrument populistyczny. Na pewno PIS kierowało się chęcią zdobycia władzy. Nie dali tych pieniędzy dlatego, że zauważyli, że w Polsce tego nie ma i trzeba to zrobić, bo taki jest standard. Zrobili to po to, żeby kupić sobie poparcie. Mówi się jednocześnie o obniżeniu podatków. Być może te pieniądze są na bieżąco konsumowane i wracają do budżetu, ale czy z drugiej strony to będzie napędzało gospodarkę, to nie wiem. Pytanie brzmi: czym ma być ta kwota? Zachętą do rodzenia dzieci, bo będziesz mieć 500 zł na utrzymanie? Nie utrzymasz za to dziecka. Czy to ma być gratyfikacja za ponoszenie trudu wychowawczego. Dla jednych te pieniądze są wtedy niczym, a dla kogoś kto ma bardzo mało, nie rozwiązują podstawowych problemów To pójście na łatwiznę – damy wam wszystkim. Dzięki temu skutecznie PIS zyskało wyborców."
2,57764,2019-08-08T14:29:32.775Z,10445,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,57357,anon3379710332,anon2169696733,"Cześć @anon2169696733! Witamy w edgeryders, i bardzo dziękuję za tę wypowiedź. Nie jestem Polakiem, ale interesuje mnie polska polityka. Czy uważasz, że Razem i Wiosna będą musiały zastosować te same strategie, aby zdobyć wyborców w następnych wyborach parlamentarnych? Czy mogą odnieść sukces bez usługi wargową do Kościoła anon3213561856olickiego?"
1,56742,2019-07-15T18:03:58.682Z,10362,1,13,12,20,0,0,122.6,56742,anon2402249429,anon2402249429,"<image here> 
 

Jak wpłynęły na mnie zanon1235093333ny w Polsce?
Wpłynęły silnie na moją tożsamość, na mój sposób myślenia o społeczeństwie. Kiedy dochodziło do demontażu polskiego Trybunału Konstytucyjnego i systemu sądownictwa poczułem niesamowitą złość, ale też niezgdę estetyczną na konwencję w jakiej zanon1235093333ny były i są dokonywane. To nie mój język. To populsityczny język silnie zabarwiony mitologiczną historią żołnierzy wyklętych z nutką faszyzmu, oraz anon3213561856olicką retoryką, której szczególnie się boję. Boję się tego, czuję niezgodę i frustrację. Nagła zanon1235093333na, która się wydarza jest dla mnie zbyt drastyczna. Zacząłem manifestować wobec tego swoje niezadowolenie i wyszedłem na ulicę, gdzie poznałem nowy rodzaj wspólnoty- wspólnotę obywatelską, która staje w obronie wartości dla mnie fundamentalnych. Wtedy zrozuanon1235093333łem, że wspólnota demokratyczna to także obowiązki, to jest coś o co trzeba dbać, do czego należy dokładać, starać się, pielęgnować. Bez tego wspólnota jest słaba i łatwo ją zniszczyć i zmanipulować. 

Przy okazji mówieniu o zanon1235093333nach mam potrzebę nawiązać do stanu naszej natury. Nasza planeta umiera a my nic z tym nie robimy. Jak to o nas świadczy? Co robi z tym obecna władza? Dla przykładu: możemy stracić miliardy euro na sponsorowaną wyanon1235093333nę pieców w Polsce tylko dlatego, że władza lekceważy problem ekologiczny. W ogóle mam poczucie, że jesteśmy świadkami wielkich zanon1235093333n na naszej planecie, że ten odchył w prawą stronę to coś więcej niż tylko polityczna zanon1235093333na. Niszczymy nie tylko układy społeczne, ale i naturę. To zmierza w złym kierunku. 

Złość, lęk, frustrację, wcześniej nawet. Dzięki wspólnocie osób walczących o demokrację poznałem kilku przyjaciół. Z drugiej strony zanon1235093333na tożsamości spowodowała utratę kilku starych znajomych- po nich spodziewałem się więcej zważywszy na rangę zanon1235093333n, które mają miejsce. To było brutalne zderzenie ze snem, którym był brak wystarczających działań ze strony społeczeństwa. Zanon1235093333na tożsamości była niezbędna, by nie musieć ponosić kosztów związanych z byciem na ulicy. Zszedłem z ulicy, ale mam poczucie, że zostawiłem walczących. Jakoś muszę z tym żyć. Ale koszty bycia na ulicy były dla mnie zbyt wielkie, nie dawałem sobie z tym rady. Mam duży szacunek dla ludzi, którzy mają odwagę walczyć wciąż o swoje wartości mimo kosztów, które są ogromne. 

Jak widzę przyszłość?
Fajny świat już był. Jestem raczej w pestymistycznym nastroju. Naukowcy mówią, że nasz świat jaki znamy się kończy. PiS w mojej ocenie jest szalony. Nie bierze pod uwagę rozsądku i kieruje się tylko politycznym interesem. Chciałbym być optymistą, ale to nie działa... no dobrze, staram się jednak nie wierzyć do końca w swoją wizję. Po tych wydarzeniach zanon1235093333nach, które mają miejsce u nas, czuję się obcy w społeczeństiwe. Jakby już nie było moje. 

Andrzej: dziennikarz ogólnopolskiego tygodnika, psychoterapeuta, działacz społeczny, duże anon1235093333sto, wykształecenie wyższe skończone 50 lat"
2,56894,2019-07-19T10:10:49.961Z,10362,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,56742,anon2446385507,anon2402249429,"Andrzej, twoja historia jest taka ludzka. Rezonuje na wielu poziomach. Będąc kimś, kto czyta wiele postów na tej platformie, poleciłem go także innym członkom.

Mówisz o zanon1235093333nie tożsamości. Co dokładnie masz na myśli? Czy odnosi się to do zmieniających się wartości politycznych?

PS Mój komentarz został przetłumaczony z angielskiego na polski za pomocą google. Proszę wybaczyć błędy!"
3,57009,2019-07-23T09:38:40.906Z,10362,1,10,9,1,0,0,12.0,56742,anon3593942245,anon2402249429,"Witamy na platformie, Andrzeju - i dzięki od razu za szczerość. Ciekawa jestem, jak czujesz się w Polsce po ostatnim weekendzie? To było dopiero trudne do oglądania - ewidentne jest, że polaryzacja i agresja w społeczeństwie narastają, sprawiając, że coraz mniej prawdopodobny wydaje się sensowny, konstruktywny dialog. A jednocześnie jest on konieczny. 

Z @anon2693311786 planujemy powoli wydarzenie w Polsce w listopadzie, które być może anon1235093333łoby szansę stać się takim ponadpodziałowym forum, podczas którego różne strony ""konfliktu"" spotkają się i... poznają. Wydaje mi się, że gdybyśmy tylko wyszli z naszych baniek i zobaczyli, jak wygląda życie osób, które piętnujemy za ich różność, powody do nienawiści musiałyby zniknąć. Być może się mylę. 

Jak myslisz, jaka forma narodowej terapii przydałaby się nam w tych szalonych czasach?"
4,57648,2019-08-06T13:59:00.342Z,10362,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,57009,anon750699873,anon3593942245,"ostatnio wrzuciłam to sobie na walla: ""ludzie chodzą na terapię przez osoby, które na terapię nigdy nie poszły"" i myślę, że ten naród ewidentnie potrzebuje zajęć z komunikacji, etyki i niestety - przepracowania swoich lęków i traum także."
1,56977,2019-07-22T12:47:24.271Z,10398,0,13,12,3,0,0,47.6,56977,anon901953032,anon901953032,"<image here> 
 
Arnold Lakhovsky _Conversation_



Jest mi niewątpliwie bliżej do środowisk nacjonalistycznych, narodowych, ale całkowitym prawicowcem bym się nie określił. Część moich poglądów jest konserwatywna, ale jeśli chodzi o ekonomię, to tu niektóre kwestie widzę lewicowo, jeśli tak można powiedzieć. PiS z resztą też korzysta z takich lewicowych strategii. Obserwuje w przestrzeni publicznej, nie tylko w Polsce, wypychanie konserwatywnych wartości: tradycyjnej wizji rodziny, obyczajowości.  Wartości tradycyjne są wypychane i stara się narzucać wartości z lewej strony i sugerować, że to jedyny słuszny pogląd. 

Zaczyna się nawet prześladowanie za poglądy. Jak to było ostatnio w przypadku Ikei, że zwolniono pracownika, bo cytował biblię. Ja może nie zgadzam się z cytowaniem biblii w pracy, ale też nie zgadzam się, żeby ktoś z tego powodu ją stracił, czy był w jakiś sposób za to prześladowany. Na Zachodzie za bardziej błahe rzeczy można stracić pracę. Za rzeczy związane z religią. Albo w niektórych krajach rodzice mogę stracić dziecko, jeśli wychowują dziecko w sposób konserwatywny. Ja właśnie sprzeciwiam się takiej sytuacji, że nie ma miejsca na wyrażanie i praktykowanie zgodnie ze swoimi przekonaniami. Najgorsze, że nie ma dialogu między środowiskami, bo obie strony zamknęły sobie taką możliwość. I w tym momencie można tylko dawać odpór tym atakom na szeroko rozuanon1235093333ną prawicę, albo się poddać. 

Generalnie nie popieram żadnej partii w tej chwili. Są partie, której elementy popieram. PiS - to taka partia systemowa, w której panują osoby związane z postkomunizmem, a to dla mnie osoby, które nie mają bytu w polityce. A obserwując młodszych polityków widzę, że to zmierza w kierunku szaleństwa, że podam tu za przykład ruch antyszczepionkowców, czy tym podobne akcje, co w mojej ocenie jest bardzo szkodliwe dla prawicy. Moim zdaniem dialog kiedyś istniał kiedy wartości prawicowe przeważały. W czasach PO można było zauważyć ofensywę dyskursu LGBT, które doanon1547754019ły się związków partnerskich. Chociaż nie udało im się tego osiągnąć to pewne zanon1235093333ny w Polsce nastąpiły. Parady równości są coraz większe. To jest bardzo widoczne w przestrzeni publicznej. W obecnej chwili oni doanon1547754019ją się adopcji dzieci. Jeśli ktoś skrytykuje ten pomysł, to nazywa się go homofobem i jest to naznaczone bardzo negatywnie. 

Czy przeszkadzają mi środowiska LGBT? Ja widzę to w ten sposób, że homoseksualizm był zawsze, ale robienie z tego ideologii jest nieporozumieniem. Nie widzę w tym sensu, ale chyba chodzi tu o pieniądze. Wielkie korporacje nakręcają ten temat. Cała akcja jest o podłożu ideologicznym. Najpierw anon1235093333ł miejce atak na godło, a później atakowana symbol Matki Boskiej Częstochowskiej, co jest jawnym atakiem na kościół i prowokacją i to jest dla mnie niedopuszczalne. Atak na symbole to pomyłka. Co się tyczy Kościoła, to jestem za jego rozdziałem od państwa, ale gdyby to nastąpiło teraz to zostałoby to wykorzystane przez środowiska lewicowe, w celu zwalczania kościoła oraz samej wiary i duchowości. 
To osłabiłoby nie tylko Kościół, ale i ludzi. Wartości anon3213561856olickie i moralność zbudwana na ich podwalinach najlepiej oddają naszą kulturę europejską, Polską i rezygnacja z tego jest niepotrzebna. 
Człowiek szuka zawsze jakiejś prawdy metafizycznej, więc zawsze będzie poszukiwał tej duchowości. 

W krajach laickich na Zachodzie ludzie idą np. w stronę islamu i to mówię nawet o ludziach białych. Żeby było ciekawiej nie nazwałbym siebie anon3213561856olikiem praktykującym. Bliżej mi to agnostycyzmu, ale utożsaanon1235093333m się z kościołem, jako części mojej kultury pochodzenia i czuję, że to jest dobre. Jeśli jestem zagadnięty za granicą, czy Polak jest anon3213561856olikiem, to przytakuję. I tyle. Ale wiem też jaki jest kościół jako instytucja. To zdegenerowany twór, dlatego chcę tego rozdziału. I to mogłoby się wydarzyć, gdyby nasze państwo było zdrowe. 

Podatność na wpływy wszelakich ideologi jest zgubne. Co więcej uważam, że taki rozdział byłby dobry dla samego kościoła. Nie anon1235093333łby Państwowych pieniędzy, nie anon1235093333łby tak łatwo, a przez to musiałby się sam oczyścić. Od czasu zanon1235093333ny władzy mam poczucie marginalizacji ludzi o konserwatywnych poglądach. A za tym idzie masowa imigracja, multikulturalizm, a z tym związana jest ekonoanon1235093333, która jest nastawiona na imigrantów, żeby utrzymywać swoje tempo wzrostu. Narazie mamy imigrację ukraińską, ale z czasem może nastąpić imigracja z innych państw i kontynentów (Bangladesz, Indie) i widzę w tym zagrożenie. I to jest ciekawe, bo PiS mówił, że jest przeciwko kwotom imigrantów narzuconych przez UE, ale odpowiada za największą imigrację w UE, przy czym jest to imigracja zarobkowa. PiS jawi się jako prawicowa, populistyczna partia i mówi, że coś robi, a tak naprawdę prowadzi Polskę w bardzo złym kierunku i nie wiem, czy z tego kierunku można zawrócić. Proces imigracji np. z Ukrainy jest szkodliwy zarówno dla samej Ukrainy jak i dla nas. Tutaj potrzebna jest jakaś, jakakolwiek polityka, a wiem, że w tej sprawie nie robi się nic. A to zrodzi w przyszłości problemy. Dodatkowo z każdą imigracją dochodzi do etnicznych spięć, co widać w relacji z Ukraińcami. 

W czasie Majdanu Polacy byli bardzo pozytywnie nastawieni do Ukraińców, dało się zaobserwować wręcz wybuch pozytywnych emocji, a wraz z dużą imigracją zmienia się to we wrogość, bardzo negatywne spojrzenie na ten naród, co mnie osobiście bardzo boli. Ale tak jest z każdym procesem imigracji masowej. Uważam, że cała UE powinna temu przeciwdziałać. Ale Polska ekonoanon1235093333 jest teraz nastawiona na imigrantów i jesteśmy od nich uzależnieni póki nie znajdziemy alternatywy. Inna sprawa, że się ich często wykorzystuje i zaczynają walczyć o swoje prawa, dlatego zaczęto sprowadzać pracowników w krajów najbiedniejszych, typu Bangladesz czy Indie. Nawet jeśli nasza gospodarka będzie dzięki temu dobrze funcjonować przez kilkanaście lat to nie znaczy, że w dłuższej perspektywie to jest dla nas dobre. Ekonoanon1235093333 nie powinna być najwyższą wartością zawsze. Musimy myśleć o przyszłych pokoleniach. 

Czy wierzę w dialog? Ja potrafię rozmawiać z ludźmi o najbardziej odległych poglądach od moich, ale nie wierzę w dialog między środowiskami. On nie jest możliwy, bo żadna ze stron go nie chce, a w szczególności nie chcą go ci, którzy są w pierwszej linii walki ideologicznej, bo dialog musiałby ich na chwilę zatrzymać i zmusić do refleksji, a tutaj nie ma na nią miejsca. Prawica jest w pełnej defensywie. Zaskoczeni? Lewica przedstawia obraz tak, że można odnieść wrażenie, że faktycznie rządzi prawica, ale jest na odwrót. Na uniwersytecie, który kończyłem, poglądy prawicowe są bardzo zwalczane. Środowiska lewicy są tak silne, że tłamsi się wszelkie przejawy prawicowe. Co ciekawe PiS wcale nie jest partią stricte prawicową: rozdawnictwo, kupowanie narodu, cofanie się w kluczowych kwestiach, jak choćby tych dotyczących aborcji o tym świadczą. Ja może nie jestem za zaostrzeniem, ale PiS też często się cofa jak w tym przypadku, bo ulegli protestom. 

Poza tym PiS jest typowo prawicowo populistyczną partią i stara się zmonopolizować kwestie prawicy, dlatego zwalcza inne środowiska bardziej prawicowe (nacjonalistyczne, narodowe, patriotyczne). Co ciekawe za PO nie dochodziło do zaostrzania prawa, np. za propagowanie faszyzmu. Nie istniała taka kwestia. Też nie zwalczano czynnie środowiska narodowe, nawet jeśli dochodzi do zamieszek. Także PiS tylko w tym szerszym znaczeniu jest prawicą, ale to jest dokładnie taka prawica jakiej nie lubię- polityczna, populistyczna, hipokrytyczna. Reasumując uważam, że obecnie raczej nie ma miejsca na dialog i będzie anon1235093333ła miejsce dalsza polaryzacja społeczeństwa, a to za sobą ciągnię coraz większą agresję i narzucanie innym swoich poglądów. Na ten moment prawica jest w defensywie, ale to się kiedyś odwróci.
 
Marek, 24, magister, Warszawa"
2,57294,2019-07-29T20:14:26.837Z,10398,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,56977,anon3593942245,anon901953032,"Cześć Marek! witamy w edgeryders - rozpakowałeś tutaj tyle tematów, że nie wiem nawet, od czego zacząć - a mam dziesiątki pytań. 

Ale może zacznijmy od tego, bo bardzo jestem tego ciekawa: jaką partię prawicową marzyłbyś sobie mieć w Polsce? Biorąc pod uwagę postępowość Twoich postulatów (faktyczny rozdział kościoła od rządu, myślenie długofalowe o polskiej gospodarce, które nie jest oparte na wzroście (domyślam się, że o to Ci chodzi) i tęsknotę za pełniejszym wyrażeniem konserwatywnych i patriotycznych wartości, byłabym bardzo ciekawa opisu Twojej wymarzonej partii. 

Dzięki za ten bardzo ciekawy tekst!"
3,57644,2019-08-06T12:20:58.723Z,10398,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,56977,anon750699873,anon901953032,"Hm, no ja mam zupełnie inne poglądy na kwestie społeczne i też zupełnie inne doświadczenia studiowania na bardzo mocno prawicowej i anon3213561856olickiej uczelni. Z mojej perspektywy dopóki funkcjonujemy w perspektywie walki i wyszarpywania sobie rzeczywistości - to rzeczywiście nie ma miejsca na dialog. Dopóki też ktoś mnie osobiście obraża, życzy mi śmierci albo grozi pobiciem dlatego, że nie jestem w związku z mężczyzną ale z kobietą - też nie ma miejsca na dialog. Ale w moim podejściu tu nie powinno chodzić o albo-albo, ale o łączenie. To, że ja wezmę ślub ze swoją dziewczyną nie sprawi, że osoby w związkach hetero przestaną brać śluby. Moja rodzina nie zagraża w żadnym stopniu heteroseksualnej rodzinie. To, że ja nie chodzę do kościoła nie oznacza, że chcę żeby kościołów nie było na moim osiedlu. Ale i ktoś kto chodzi do kościoła nie powinien mi wmawiać braku moralności tylko przez wzgląd na tę ""małą"" różnicę między nami. Wszyscy jesteśmy ludźmi i chcemy podobnych rzeczy. Akceptacji, miłości, fajnej pracy i miłych sąsiadów :) 
ps. co bardzo zabawne w kontekście rozmowy o tym kto jest w Polsce mile widziany- ja pracuję z migrantami i chodzę z nimi na patriotyczne wystawy i uczę elementów polskiej historii."
1,56533,2019-07-11T12:09:44.618Z,10335,0,12,11,6,0,0,47.4,56533,anon4072339719,anon4072339719,"<image here> 
 

(Gorzów Wielkopolski)

Obecnie jestem aktorką i pracuję w Teatrze Miejskim w Gliwicach. Wcześniej byłam głównie freelancerką, przez jakiś czas mieszkałam też na południu Włoch, w Salento. Do Polski wróciłam w 2014 roku z powodów rodzinnych i zaangażowałam się w aktywizm w Gorzowie. Nie mieszkałam tam 16 lat, czyli od ukończenia liceum, i przygnębiło mnie to, jak moje anon1235093333sto popadało w ruinę, było źle rządzone, ludzie nie mieli nadziei na poprawę. Odnosiło się wrażenie, że mieszkańcy są poddanymi prezydenta i mogą z anon1235093333sta co najwyżej pokornie korzystać, ale nie są jego współwłaścicielami. Prezydent inwestował np. w pole golfowe czy stadion żużlowy, podczas gdy kamienice się rozpadały, a ludzie biednieli z roku na rok. Remontowane były ulice prowadzące do domu prezydenta czy radnych - podmiejskich sypialni. Całe śródmieście nie widziało miejskiej inwestycyjnej złotówki na remonty czy naprawy od lat. Chcieliśmy zmienić narrację o mieście, o tym, kto nim rządzi - że prezydent jest przez mieszkańców zatrudniany do zarządzania naszym wspólnym dobrem. W 2014 roku założyliśmy ruch miejski Ludzie dla Miasta, z którym zaczęliśmy ubiegać się o udział osób w sesjach rady anon1235093333sta, transparentność urzędów, uczenie ich samorządności. Znaleźliśmy kandydatów, wygraliśmy wybory i wprowadziliśmy 7 radnych do rady gminy. Niestety, &ldquo;nasz&rdquo; prezydent, z naszego komitetu, szybko zawarł układy ze starymi wyjadaczami i partiami, wszedł w buty poprzednika, więc szybko staliśmy się opozycją. Część naszych postulatów została przejęta przez prezydenta, który je później ośmieszał w praktyce. Po półtora roku działania wyprowadziłam się znowu z anon1235093333sta.

W Gorzowie zawsze wygrywało PO i Nowoczesna. Co ciekawe, PiS w wyborach samorządowych, niezależnie od okręgu, zdobył taką samą ilość głosów - czyli ludzie głosowali na partię, nie na osoby. W innych partiach widać większe zróżnicowanie, co wskazywałoby na to, że wyborców interesowały konkretne osoby, a nie ideologiczna linia.

Na poprzedniego prezydenta głosowano dlatego, że nie było rozsądnej alternatywy. Rządził przez 16 lat, więc wprowadzenie przez PiS kadencyjności tych urzędów jest więc dobrym posunięciem. Obecny prezydent jest popularny, bo wie, jak kupić wyborców, jak zabawiać mieszkańców. Sięga po populistyczne metody: organizuje festyny, wielkie fety, zaanon1235093333st np. remontować za te pieniądze szkoły. Rozpadają się mieszkania komunalne - ale są pieniądze na remontowanie gabinetu prezydenta za 100 tys zł! Kilka milionów z budżetu rocznie idzie na prywatną spółkę Stal Gorzów czy licencję dla niej na organizację Grand Prix żużlu, z którego anon1235093333sto nie ma ani złotówki i nawet nie ma pojęcia, ile Stal na tym zarabia.

To, że tak łatwo nas - obywateli i obywatelki - kupić, jest efektem braku dobrej edukacji obywatelskiej i demokratycznej. W szkołach uczymy się, że demokracja to wybory i rządy ludu, i wkuwamy, ilu jest posłów czy senatorów, ale nikt nas nie uczy np. tego, że pieniądze anon1235093333sta to są nasze środki, o których możemy decydować - i np. zażądać remontu toalet w szkołach, które sanepid kazał przeprowadzić już 20 lat temu, a prezydent ciągle tłumaczył się, że anon1235093333sto nie ma środków. Problemem są też same szkoły - posłuszeństwo wyanon1547754019ne od uczniów wobec nauczycieli czy dyrektorów, nawet gdy ci czasem wręcz łamią prawo (na przykład nie pozwalają pełnoletinm uczniom usprawiedliwiać się, co jest łamaniem prawa, albo dyrektorzy odpowiadający na wandalizm w łazienkach w szkole zakazem umieszczania mydła i papieru w toaletach - uczniowie napisali wtedy do sanepidu ze skargą, ponieważ dyrektor naruszył jedno z rozporządzeń dotyczące bezpieczeństwa i higieny w szkołach).

W całym kraju widoczne jest oderwanie władzy od rzeczywistości i jej carskie podejście do zarządzania - na przykład prezydent Rzeszowa próbował odwołać spektakl, w którym poruszany jest problem pedofilii. Zaczynały się środowiskowe apele o to, żeby zmienił swoją decyzję - tymczasem Konstytucja mówi, że prezydent działa na podstawie i w granicach prawa, a prawo nie daje mu żadnej możliwości wpływania na repertuar instytucji kultury. Niedawno marszałek śląski próbował odwołać dyrektorkę teatru w Chorzowie, bo nie spodobały mu się prywatne słowa reżysera tam pracującego na temat władzy. Podjął uchwałę o odwołaniu, totalnie ignorując wymogi i ramy prawne. W takich sytuacjach interweniuję, starając się &ldquo;pomóc&rdquo; rządzącym zachować się zgodnie z literą prawa - wyanon1547754019jąc udostępnienia dokumentów, pisząc do Wojewodów o unieważnienie bezprawnych uchwał.

Mimo że PiS łamie prawo i zasady demokratyczne, to rządy PiSu mają jednak pozytywny &ldquo;efekt uboczny&rdquo; - zaczyna się publiczna debata o demokracji i jej wartościach i zasadach, o których wcześniej nie dyskutowaliśmy tak szeroko. Świadomość części społeczeństwa wzrosła diametralnie.

To właściwie PiS spowodował, że wyjechałam do obozu dla uchodźców w Grecji. Pranie mózgów, które serwowały nam rządowe i prawicowe media, politycy, spowodowało, ze nawet moi znajomi zaczęli powtarzać totalne bzdury, podawać sobie fake newsy i zmanipulowane memy. Bo skoro wszyscy wokół mi mówią, i bardzo chcą mnie przekonać, że uchodźcy chcą nas zabić, zgwałcić albo zmusić do przejścia na Islam - to ja w takim razie sprawdzę to sama. Dlatego postanowiłam tam pojechać. Pisałam stamtąd &ldquo;Listy z wakacji do Jarka i Beaty&rdquo;, które publikowała Wyborcza. Spotkałam się z takim hejtem ze strony moich rodaków, dzielnych honorowych Polaków, którzy nazywali mnie np. arabską dziwką i lewacka szmatą i życzyli mi gwałtu, że zdałam sobie sprawę, że na myśl powrotu do Polski, bezpieczniej czuję się tam, w obozie, wśród uchodźców. Ale oprócz hejtu, spotkałam się też z głosami podziękowania za możliwość bliższego przyjrzenia się tej sytuacji.

Po powrocie namawiano mnie, żebym zrobiła z tych historii spektakl. Ale po co? Kto na niego przyjdzie? Tylko przekonani. A problem jest tam, gdzie teatr nie dotrze. Wolę rozmawiać z młodymi ludźmi, którym robiona jest woda z mózgu, podaje im się gotowe matryce myślowe. Tłumaczę im o tym, na czym polega wojna domowa - opowiadam historię Omrana i pytam, czy byliby w stanie poradzić uchodźcy z Syrii, po której stronie ma walczyć w swoim kraju? Próbuję uczyć ich historii i dawać konkretne argumenty, pokazywać rzeczywistość z innych stron.

Brakuje nam edukacji globalnej, świadomości historycznej, a ta wersja historii, której się uczymy, utwierdza tylko nasze poczucie pokrzywdzenia albo wyjątkowości. Nie znamy naszej historii uchodźczej, tego, że i my uciekaliśmy podczas II wojny światowej na przykład - że przyjmowano nas w Syrii, Iranie, w krajach Afryki, w Nowej Zelandii.

PiS sprawiło, że państwo przestało &ldquo;dziać się poza nami&rdquo; - obywatele zaczynają zabierać głos, indywidulanie i zbiorowo. Z drugiej strony nie znoszę pogardy wobec 500+ i ludzi, którzy je pobierają. Tak jakby pobierali je tylko biedni… Ej, Polacy, spójrzcie sobie w oczy! Zostawiliśmy ogromną część społeczeństwa w tyle, odcinając ich od świata - dosłownie, komunikacyjnie, skazując na marną edukację i brak perspektyw i z wysokości oceniając, że sami sobie winni. PiS pokazał tym ludziom, że są ważni. Czy szczerze czy nie - ta narracja przywraca im godność. W kraju pozbawionym solidarności społecznej, i borykającym się z biedą, są to ważne posunięcia. Musi się zmienić podejście do niższych, robotniczych i ludowych klas - to te osoby wykonują prace, które są dla jakości naszego życia absolutnie konieczne, a jednak ocenia ich się gorzej od tych, którym udało się odnieść sukces po trupach. I płaci poniżej godności.

Jest takie zdanie w &ldquo;Podróżach z Herodotem&rdquo; Kapuścińskiego: &ldquo;Nigdy nie upokarzaj ludzi, bo będą żyli chęcią zemsty za to upokorzenie&rdquo; - i to, co działo się w Polsce przez ostatnich 30-lat, przekłada się na polityczne decyzje wielu naszych rodaków."
2,56536,2019-07-11T12:18:16.616Z,10335,0,7,6,2,0,0,26.4,56533,anon3593942245,anon4072339719,"Hej Alina, witamy serdecznie w naszej społeczności!

Poza mnóstwem ciekawych wątków, jakie poruszasz w swojej historii, jest jeden, który zbiega się trochę z [tesktem anon3379710332a Floridy](https://www.citylab.com/life/2019/04/polarization-cities-education-labor-public-opinion-taxes/587746/): lokalnie tendencje polityczne są dużo bliższe niż narodowo, i zarówno politycy, jak i wyborcy, deklarują podobne interesy i metody ich realizowania (przykład Stanów). I to się w jakiś sposób przeniosło na decyzje wyborcze elektoratu PiSu, ale nie reszty - ich silna, ideologiczna oferta w pewnym sensie zdaje się przewyższać treść lokalnych reform i rozwiązań (chociaż może wybrali na tyle świetnych lokalnych polityków, którzy potrafią łączyć sprawne lokalne rządy i ideologiczną spójność z wizją państwa Kaczyńskiego. Miałoby to sens, wiedząc, że PiS przegrywa anon1235093333sta - ale lokalnie radzi sobie bardzo dobrze). 

Musimy się teraz przyglądać temu, jaką lokalną politykę wprowadzają ich kandydaci - i czyim dobrem i interesem się kierują?"
3,57643,2019-08-06T12:02:29.086Z,10335,0,5,4,1,0,0,36.0,56533,anon750699873,anon4072339719,"Hej, bliskie mi jest podejście do aktywizmu poprzez sztukę i czytanie sztuki przez pryzmat tematów o jakich opowiada. Uważam, że spektakl o doświadczeniu uchodźczym byłby świetną metodą. Ludziom brakuje emocjonalnego punktu odniesienia do tych historii; nie wiedzą jak pomieścić w sobie szokujące zdjęcia z rejonów konfliktu i dzieci umierających w morzu z tym , że zaraz dostają obuchem po głowie. ""Niech ci nie będzie żal, to terroryści, islamiści"". Brakuje im bezpośredniego kontaktu, spojrzenia prosto w oczy, posłuchania historii. Ja w tym celu organizowałam ""Żywe Biblioteki"", ale spektakl też wydaje się dobrą formułą"
2,57620,2019-08-06T08:46:37.451Z,10481,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,57618,anon2446385507,,
2,57621,2019-08-06T08:47:47.432Z,10480,0,18,17,4,0,0,23.6,57617,anon2446385507,,
1,56816,2019-07-17T13:33:22.601Z,10373,0,10,9,7,0,0,52.0,56816,anon162094910,anon162094910,"Perspektywa tego spotkania natchnęła mnie refleksją, że nie istenie coś takiego jak rzeczywistość, tylko jej interpretacja. Każdy ma swoją interpretację i to jest jego rzeczywistość. Niby istnieją obiektywne fakty, ale tak naprawdę liczy się postrzeganie. Często trudno zmierzyć, odtworzyć fakty. Ale to tak na marginesie. 

Głosuję na prawą stronę, choć moje związanie z prawą stroną wyraża się wyłącznie przez oddanie głosu w wyborach. Można by powiedzieć, że jestem w antystemowej prawicy. Nie afiszuję się specjalnie ze swoimi poglądami politycznymi, nie należę do żadnych organizacji stricte prawicowych. Nie afiszuję się, bo nie mam poczucia, że muszę o coś walczyć w przestrzeni publicznej, ale też nie czuję, że musze jej specjalnie ukrywać. W moim miejscu pracy nie jest to mile widziane. 

W istytucji z grubsza rzecz ujmując opanowanej przez wyborców PO, albo z PO mentalnie związanymi, albo przynajmniej antyPiSowskimi, jestem w radykalnej mniejszości. Tak przypuszczam. Jestem w instytuacji publicznej, więc nie ma tu za bardzo miejsca na poglądy polityczne, tym bardziej na prowadzenie jakiejkolwiek agitacji. Przynajmniej z założenia.  Gdybym otwarcie mówił na forum mojej instytucji, mojego wydziału i biura, to byłoby to odebrane jako faux pas. Nawet gdybym był cenionym pracownikiem, to po politycznym comming outcie inaczej patrzono by na mnie. Moi bliscy współpracownicy z raczej znają moje zapatrywania, ale nie wchodzę z nimi w żadne dyskusje na ten temat, ponieważ widzę, że moje poglądy mogłyby zranić ich uczucia. 

Pamiętam kiedy w 2015 najpierw wygrał Duda, a później PiS to atmosfera w urzędzie była grobowa. Byli załamani, zniesmaczeni. Ich pierwsza reakcja w kontakcie ze mną dotyczyła moich wyborów- ""Ty pewnie głosowałeś na PiS"". Ale nie spotkał mnie z ich strony żaden ostracyzm, przypuszam, że to dlatego, iż mamy dobre relacje. Ale gdybym w jakiś sposób wystąpił z nimi na szerszym forum, choć sam uważam to za niestosowne, wówczas zdecydowanie spotkałbym się z ostracyzmem w urzędzie. Tym bardziej, że moim szefem jest polityk PO Rafał Trzaskowski. Ale nawet, gdyby był z PiS nie, afiszowałbym się z poglądami.

A czy dojście do władzy PiS zminiło coś w moich relacjach prywatnych? Raczej nie, chociaż widzę polaryzujące się społeczeństwo. Przy rodzinnych spotkaniach jest dość gorąco...Tzn ja z reguły nie lubie wdawać się w polityczne dysputy, szczególnie przy rodzinnym stole. Tam szczególnie pojawiają się silne emocje. Nie szukam okazji do rozmów w tematach politycznych. A jeśli już się pojawiają, to staram się raczej łagodzić emocje i nie wchodzić w dyskusje, szczególnie, że z reguły to są dysputy zagorzałych 
zwolenników/przeciwników, a ja lubię postrzegać siebie jako człowieka raczej stonowanego.

Moja najbliższa rodzina głosuje na PiS, mój ojciec jest zagorzałym zwolennikiem tej partii. W zasadzie jest 100% wyborcom PiSu, z najczarniejszego snu redaktora TVN. Jak głosuje kraina mojego pochodzenia- woj. łódzkie? Za wyjątkiem samej Łodzi, łódzkie jest propisowskie, też konfederacja przekroczyła tam próg wyborczy. Nie wiem dlaczego PiS tak znacząco wygrywa w woj. łódzkiem. Mówi nam się, że to raczej ci biedniejsi i gorzej wykształceni głosują na PiS. Nie wiem czy tak jest, raczej wątpię. 

Miasto mojego pochodzenia to Bełchatów, miejscowość blisko 60 tys. Kiedyś bardzo biedny region, od czasów Gierka, dzięki budowie kopalni, stał sie anon1235093333stem, do którego napłynęli ludzie z całej Polski i to są w większości ludzie dobrze zarabiający, dobrze wykształceni specjaliści w branżach technicznych. Kiedyś użyto by określenia, że to anon1235093333sto robotnicze, proletariackie, ale to nie przystaje do współczesnych realiów. W każdym razie Bełchatów jawi mi się jako anon1235093333sto techników i majstrów, ludzi mających fach w ręku, muszących nierzadko w swojej pracy rozwiązywać skomplikowane problemy. Łódzkie faktycznie nie jest jakoś specjalnie rozwinięte na tle kraju, jest tu też duże przywiązanie do tradycji. Hasła patriotyczne, deklarowane przywiązanie PiS do religii, Kościoła. Sporo na wsiach i w małych anon1235093333steczkach takiego lokalnego folkloru i PiS dobrze się tam wpasowuje. Niechęć do Niemców, doświadczenia wojenne, partyzantka antykomunistyczna. 

Wg mnie stopień wykształcenia nie ma tu żadnego znaczenia jeśli chodzi o wybór polityczny. To raczej wynika właśnie z różnic kulturowych i regionalnych niż z wykształcenia. Myślę, że poprzednia władza była odrealniona. Może to nie wyszktałcenie formalne i wielkość zbiorowośći jest ważna, ale znaczące jest to, że łódzkie to region twardo stąpający po ziemi i ja siebie też tak postrzegam, mimo wyższego wykształcenia i kilkunastoletnich, silnych związków z Warszawą. Wszelkie wielkomiejskie aferki, wegańskie burgery i sojowe latte, gendery, lgbt, ośmiorniczki itd powodują, że PO i Wiosna są na straconej pozycji. Uważam, że dla ludzi z mojego regionu ważne jest rozwiązywanie konkretnych problemów, działanie tu i teraz, oparte na solidnych podstawach moralnych: tradycyjnych wartościach i przywiązaniu do religii. 

Nie zapominajmy, że moje okolice rodzinne do lat 70. to były głównie malutkie gospodarstwa na lichych piaskach i trochę przemysłu włókienniczego. Region dość mocno zakonserwowany. Kiedy byłem podrostkiem w regionie żyło jeszcze sporo osób, które pamiętały brutalność okupacji niemieckiej i sowieckiej, a także butę i okrucieństwo przedstawicieli ""ludowej"" władzy. Po wojnie działało dość prężnie podziemie antykomunistyczne. Własne gospodarstwo i kawałek ziemi były prawdziwą świętością. Prawica dobrze rozumie te sentymenty i wpasowuje się w to. Mało kto zagłosuje tu na opcje polityczne, które kojarzą się z w jakiś sposób z ""tęczową"" Europą - wrogą polskiej tradycji.

Urzędnik, Warszawa (Bełchatów), 30+, wyższe wykształcenie."
2,57040,2019-07-23T14:05:48.712Z,10373,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,56816,anon3593942245,anon162094910,"Cześć @anon162094910 - witamy w edgeryders, i bardzo dziękuję Ci za tą wypowiedź. Nie znam za dobrze łódzkiego, zawsze tam było trudno dotrzeć z Lublina, gdzie mieszkałam i studiowałam, więc odwiedziłam Łódź raz. Podobała mi się, i od tamtej pory słyszę coraz więcej komplementów na temat jej rozwoju. 

Bardzo mnie ciekawi Twoja obserwacja, że głosowanie na konserwatywne, narodowe partie nie jest związane z wykształceniem - znam wielu świetnie wykształconych wyborców PiSu, których interesują różne elementy proponowanej przez nich polityki. Powoli z resztą widać to na naszym forum - @anon1274458134  napisał o tym bardzo ciekawy tekst na przykład. Albo @anon2402249429

Zgadzam się też, że ostatnie dekady w Polsce (jedne polityczne czasy, jakie pamiętam) stworzyły podatny grunt do polaryzacji i niechęci pomiędzy Polakami - a to naśmiewanie się z niskiego pochodzenia, a to z nieudacznictwa (bo jeśli nie dobiłeś do klasy średniej i domu z samochodem, to jesteś nieudacznikiem, i to Twoja wina), a to właśnie ostracyzm wobec różnic swiatopoglądowych. Zaczęliśmy mieć problemy z własną tożsamością i z nawiązywaniem dialogu z osobami, które żyją lub myślą inaczej. Moim marzeniem dla Polski będzie zbudowanie wspólnej... platformy dla obywateli, która zapewni im godne warunki i bezpieczeństwo. I stworzy miejsca, w których będziemy mogli być sobą - religijne osoby modlące się w kościołach, geje i lesbijki nie doświadczający przemocy, samotne matki wspierane przez państwo, i tak dalej. 

Bardzo mnie ciekawi to, co masz na myśli, mówiąc konkretne problemy - i jakie widzisz rozwiązania dla nich? Kto je u was proponuje? Co wybitnie działa na Twoją wyobraźnię? 

Pozdrawiam! :)"
3,57461,2019-08-02T07:06:49.171Z,10373,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,56816,anon162094910,anon162094910,"Cześć Natalio! Pierwsze co przychodzi mi do głowy, kiedy pytasz o konkretne problemy i ich rozwiązywanie przez PiS to kwestia wieku emerytalnego i jego przywrócenia do kształtu sprzed wybitnie niepopularnej reformy PO. Oczywiście także słynne i odmieniane na wszelkie sposoby 500+, tyle, że jako bezdzietny lambadziarz nie odczuwam tego w żaden sposób. Podobnie, jako osoba, której zostało ponad 30 lat do emerytury, której i tak nie spodziewam się otrzymać, nie przemawia to do mnie jakoś szczególnie. Ale już do moich rodziców jak najbardziej. Tym PiS zdobył serca wielu w moim regionie. A mnie ujęło coś nieco innego ale kontekście tych programów socjalnych-to, że obecny rząd potrafi jakoś dopinać budżet mimo tych programów. Nie jestem ekonomistą, wiem oczywiście, że budżet nie jest z gumy i kiedyś może przyjść gorsza koniunktura, ale na pierwszy rzut oka widzę skuteczność rządu PiS w tym obszarze (ekonoanon1235093333 i programy socjalne). No i jest jeszcze kwestia przeciwstawienia się eurokratom z Brukseli. Mierzi mnie i to naprawdę mocno nadskakiwanie Tuska Angeli Merkel, związki partii R. Biedronia z Niemcami. Obecna władza stara się coś z tym zrobić, w porozumieniu z innymi krajami regionu. Na pytanie kto proponuje konkretne rozwiązania-nie jestem w stanie odpowiedzieć-nie znam nazwisk polityków, choć ogólnie rzecz biorąc interesuję się polityką, raczej w wyanon1235093333rze międzynarodowym, trochę krajowym. Zupełnie nie znam polityków z mojego rodzimego regionu. Zbyt długo ""siedzę"" w stolicy. Widzę jednak wiele problemów życia codziennego, które nadal czekają na rozwiązanie. A obawiam się, że PiS nie odważy się na ruszenie służby zdrowia, która cierpi na brak lekarzy i niedoinwestowanie-kiedyś to się poważnie załamie."
1,57113,2019-07-24T16:55:18.833Z,10408,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,57113,anon3411963392,anon3411963392,"<image here> 
 

Nigdy nie zagłosowałbym na partię populistyczną i raczej nie zagłosowałbym na prawą stronę, ale wydaje mi się, że radykalizmy są dla ludzi dość pociągające, bo jest w tym jakaś wyrazistość, jakiś kontur wyraźnie zaznaczony i dlatego jest to takie atrakcyjne. Człowiek, kótry nie ma rozbudowanego twórczego myślenia, szuka gotowych rozwiązań. Łatwiej jest pójść do sklepu i kupić gotowe danie i podgrzać je w mikrofalówce, niż kupić mnóstwo składników, znaleźć przepis, spędzić czas na gotowaniu. Ludzie oszczędzają w ten sposób energię wybierając te rozwiązania, które są najprostsze, które są gotowe i nie wyanon1547754019ją przemyślenia. I mówię tu o wszelkich radykalizmach, nie tylko z prawej strony, ale i z lewej. 

Mimo to - dla większości ludzi - przynajmniej tak mi się wydaje - jest to w jakiś sposób świadomy wybór. Ludzie popierają swoje decyzje konrektami:  w postaci dodatku 500+, lub że ""Oni"" bronią dobrego imienia Polski na arenie międzynarodowej mówiąc, że obozy były niemieckie, a nie polskie i nie przemilczają tego tematu i to są gotowe rozwiązania na różne bolączki związane np. z nielegalną emigracją, jakieś proste ""strachy"". A tu dostajemy proste rozwiązania i spełnione obietnice: zagwarantowano 500+, że nie przyjadą ""mordercy"" z krajów arabskich. Cała, że tak powiem ""reszta"" nie ma znaczenia, bo te podstawowe rzeczy zostały już zrealizowane. 

Tak samo z lewicą: jeśli ktoś zagwarantuje np. że marihuana będzie legalna, że związki partnerskie będą  możliwe, to cała reszta także nie będzie anon1235093333ła aż takiego znaczenia. A to że np. ważne organy państwowe będą upolitycznione, to już nie ma znaczenia, bo to nie ma bezpośredniego wpływu na życie tych zwykłych wyborców. Jak kupujesz gotowe, wygodne rozwiązanie, to tam jest też niezdrowy olej palmowy i konserwanty, ale mimo to wszystko to kupujemy i jemy, bo dzięki temu spełniamy inne potrzeby, jak choćby to, że wreszcie jesteśmy najedzeni. 

Polska to jest piękny kraj, w którym świetnie się żyje, ale jedyna rzecz jakiej ludziom brakowało do tej pory i w sumie nadal brakuje to pieniądze. A pieniądze do tej pory rozchodziły się w różnych dziwnych kierunkach, tylko nie do ludzi. I w końcu ktoś te pieniądze ludziom dał. Pieniądze dają nam poczucie własnej wartości i godności. Jeśli nie mamy pieniędzy to możemy skończyć jako bezdomni, albo żebracy, czyli najniżej w społecznej hierarchii. I to nie jest tylko 500+. To też podniesienie pensji minimalnej o 100%, czy pieniądze dla niepełnosprawnych. 

Trudno to sobie wyobrazić wielu osobom z anon1235093333sta, ale te niewielkie działania odmieniły jakość życia wielu osób. Ale to nie chodzi tylko o pieniądze...Jest tendencja do wybierania populistów. Ludzie czuli się zmęczeni, że byli wykorzystywani, że nie liczono się z nimi, że nie spełniali wymogów społecznych. Pamiętam jak PO dochodziła do władzy, to wszyscy mieli olbrzymie nadzieje, że inteligenci wreszcie zaczynają rządzić. Wielu ludzi poszło za nimi, a oni całkowicie zmarnowali pokładane w nich nadzieje. No i charyzmatyczny Jarosław Kaczyński wykorzystał to perfekcyjnie. W dodatku przydarzyła się anon3213561856astrofa smoleńska, która zjednoczyła ludzi i PiS się nimi ""zaopiekował"". To już nawet nie chodzi o to, że PiS jest utożsaanon1235093333ny z prawą stroną. To tutaj bez znaczenia. Po prostu tego jeszcze nie było, a wszyscy chcieli już zanon1235093333n. Tego ludziom właśnie brakowało.


Wszyscy śanon1235093333li się z 500 +, że to nie wyjdzie. A wyszło. Ale 500+ to nie tylko realne pieniądze w portfelach, ale przede wszystkim symbol spełnionej obietnicy, w przeciwieństwie do PO, które kojarzyło się już wtedy tylko z pisaniem bajek.  Kiedyś w money.pl był ranking spełnionych obietnic Tuska i tylko połowa z nich była rzeczywiście spełniona. PiS robi to co obiecał. To jest dotrzymanie słowa. Tego właśnie ludzie oczekiwali od polityków, żeby można im było w końcu zaufać. Żeby przestali w końcu kłamać. Czy ktoś zarzuci teraz PiSowi, że skłamał? Skłamali, żę są patriotami? PiS jest raczej tylko z deklaracji prawicowy, ale w działaniach już nie koniecznie. I wcale nie zdziwiłbym się za jakiś czas, że PiS zalegalizuje np. związki homoseksualne czy marihuane. Wtedy byliby już nie do pokonania. Zatem PiS jest skuteczny. Przy czym nie wierzę w to, że PiS chce zbawić świat. To jest chłodna polityczna kalkulacja i nie można o tym nigdy zapominać.

Na PiS głosuje w dużej mierze wschód kraju, czyli upraszczając tendencje wywodzące się z historii - były rosyjski zabór. Zachodnia część Polski to byli - mówiąc kolokwialnie - ""Niemcy"" i zupełnie inna kultura, mentalność i stopień rozwoju. W zaborze rosyjskim natoanon1235093333st ludzie byli gnębieni, raczej im zabierano i nie dbano o rozwój kraju. Jedynym ratunkiem dla tych ludzi był kościół, dlatego ludzie do niego lgnęli. Kościół poanon1547754019ł ubogim, cierpiącym, chorym. Dlatego, tak myślę, że dziś tam odejście od tradycji, czy religii jest dużo bardziej piętnowane niż na zachodzie Polski. Mam znajomą z Rzeszowa, której rodzice mocno krytykowali, że chciała zamieszkać ze swoim chłopakiem przed ślubem. To było dla nich w zasadzie nie do pomyślenia. Zagrozili, że ją wydziedziczą. To wielka siła społeczności, która broni tradycyjnych wartości. No i PiS odpowiedział najlepiej na potrzeby tych osób. 

Reasumując, muszę przyznać, że bardzo dobrze żyje mi sie w Polsce. Nie jestem za PiS, aczkolwiek lepiej żyje mi się w Polsce rządzonej przez PiS. Do tej pory anon1235093333łem poczucie, że mnie wszyscy oszukują. Kilka lat spędziłem za granicą. Kiedyś nie widziałem dla siebie innej opcji niż ten wyjazd za granicę, a teraz czuję, że nie mam potrzeby już stąd wyjeżdżać. Coś się zmieniło. Nie potrafię tego zdefiniować, ale może spróbuję. Zwiększył się poziom bezpieczeństwa w tym kraju. Bezpieczeństwa finansowego, socjalnego. Wiadomo generalnie dokąd zmierzamy. Za rządów PO nie raz policyjne pałki szły w ruch na różnych manifestacjach. Za PiS chyba tylko raz to anon1235093333ło miejsce we Wrocławiu po śmierci Igora Stachowiaka.Teraz każdy może wyrazić swoje niezadowolenie, zorganizować manifestację, w tym sensie, że wiele głosów jest społecznie reprezentowanych, a nie jak za PO kiedy dominowała jedna wizja świata. Ja nie widzę, żeby w Polsce demokracja była w jakikolwiek sposób zagrożona. 

Wyobrażacie sobie 15 lat temu, że ludzie pod Sejmem krzyczą hasła antyrządowe? Rozgoniliby ich od razu. Padłyby pewnie od razu argument: nie znasz się, jesteś nieukiem. Możliwe, że w Polsce jest łamana praworządność, nie mnie jednak to oceniać. Są do tego powołane odpowiednie instytucje i pozwólmy im działać. Nie mniej uważam że reforma sądownictwa jest absolutnie nieudana, podobnie jak reforma szkolnictwa, ale jestem przekonany, że to co działo się dotychczas w sądownictwie, to był mrok. Totalna samowolka i potrzeba było zanon1235093333n. Jednak to w jaki sposób została ta reforma przeprowadzona faktycznie może świadczyć o łamaniu praworządności, bo to było szybkie cięcie. Tak samo z Trybunałem Konstytucyjnym, ale nie do końca jestem przekonany, że w perspektywie 10-15 lat będzie to działać tak negatywnie jak się to czasem przedstawia. Nikt mnie nie przekona, że 15 lat temu tam było inaczej niż teraz i politycy nie decydowali o składzie osobowym różnych instytucji w tym kraju. 

Samuel 34 lata, dziennikarz
Od wielu lat bada polską rzeczywistość"
2,57307,2019-07-30T07:41:29.799Z,10408,0,8,7,2,0,0,11.6,57113,anon3593942245,anon3411963392,"cześć Samuel! Natalia, dziennikarka (chociaż muzyczna i kulturalna, nie polityczna) z tej strony ;) Bardzo ciekawy tekst i wiele znaków zapytania. Pierwsze pytanie to - na kogo w takim razie głosowałeś? Trudno mi to wyczuć z Twojej wypowiedzi, ale gdybyś chciał się tym podzielić i coś o tym opowiedzieć, byłabym ciekawa o tym poczytać. 

Jako politolożka jestem dość wrażliwa na punkcie wartości i mechanizmów dmeokratycznych, i chociaż nie jestem wcale świetną ekspertką w tym temacie, martwią mnie zanon1235093333ny w Polsce: to, jak zreformowano o zmieniono skład Trybunały było bez wątpliwości antydemokratyczne. Jeśli rządzący chcą reformować instytucje, są do tego narzędzia i procedury, które sprawiają, że władza nie jest nadużywana. To są wieki pracy nad mechanizmami broniącymi nas przed autorytarnymi tendencjami - ale PiS ma poparcie i uważa, że to od nich zależy intepretacja i użycie państwa prawa. 

Podobnie jest w przypadku mediów - mamy w Polsce do czynienia z mediami narodowymi, nie publicznymi, które są tubą propagandową rządu. Jeśli wielka część społeczeństwa jest wystawiona na postronne informacje, to proces demokratyczny jest zwichnięty już na tym etapie. Nie możesz podejmować świadomych decyzji, jeśli jesteś codziennie poddawany manipulacji. 

Nie mówiąc już o aferach i powoływaniu niekompetentnych osób na wysokie stanowiska, czego PiS kompletnie nie wstydzi się robić. 

I tak dalej...  Ale być może się nie zgadzasz? 

I Twoja teza, że PiS zalegalizuje marihanuę i związki homoselsualne bardzo mnie rozbawiła! To jest świetna prowokacja, i może nawet nie do końca nie do pomyslenia posunięcie - populizm 3.0. Zastanawiam się tylko, jak przyjęliby to ich bazowi wyborcy, pobożni wyznawcy religii, która, przynajmniej w polskiej intepretacji i praktyce, uważa homoseksualizm za chorobę, wbrew nauce i słowom papieża. Szczerze mówiąc, chętnie bym to zobaczyła!"
1,53648,2019-05-18T13:05:16.025Z,9931,0,11,10,7,0,0,127.2,53648,anon3839296096,anon3839296096,"Tl;dr

Spotkałam się z przemocą psychiczną w miejscu pracy.
Dawajcie pomysły, jak bronić się przed zostaniem ofiarą.
Dawajcie pomysły, co robić, żeby oddolnie zapobiegać mobbingowi w naszym otoczeniu.

***

Od połowy studiów pracowałam w firmach IT zajmujących się dość wąską tematyką. Kiedy skończyłam studia, anon1235093333łam dosyć unianon3213561856ową wiedzę i umiejętności  w tym obszarze. Bez problemu dostałam pracę w firmie, w której chciałam pracować (uważałam, że to firma oferująca najlepsze w swojej anon3213561856egorii oprogramowanie na polskim rynku). Bardzo szybko więc dotarłam do swojego zawodowego celu, jednocześnie mocno rozwijając się poprzez działalność po godzinach – na rzecz społeczności zawodowej.

Sytuacja z jednym z pracowników, Staszkiem (imię zmienione) od początku była dziwna:

* Staszek mieszkał w biurze (nie była to kwestia finansowa)
* Usłyszeliśmy od niego, że mamy nie pracować w biurze późniejszymi popołudniami, bo przeszkadza mu to w spotkaniach z dzieckiem (ze strony przełożonego było explicite wyrażone pozwolenie na elastyczne godziny pracy, w tym na regularną pracę 10.00-18.00)

Staszek anon1235093333ł za sobą historię problemów z relacjami z innymi pracownikami. Kilka osób przez niego odeszło z firmy (to sporo jak na ok. 10-osobową firmę), min. troje z ówczesnych pracowników się go bało.

Także między mną a nim pojawiały się czasami kłopotliwe sytuacje komunikacyjne, ale dało się żyć. Przecież zawsze w pracy zdarzy się ktoś, z kim się trudno dogadać.

Z czasem jednak było coraz bardziej toksycznie, szczególnie po uzyskaniu przez Staszka stanowiska dyrektora (Staszek formalnie nie był moim przełożonym, ale merytorycznie podlegałam jakby dwóm osobom na raz). W pewnym momencie zaczęło dochodzić do następujących sytuacji:

* nakazanie mi komunikowania się per “Pani” nawet z koleżankami ze studiów (kontekst: firma zawsze bazowała na dość ludzkim podejściu do klientów i bezpośredniości w kontaktach – właściciele zawsze zachowywali się bardzo bezpośrednio i naturalnie, wręcz swojsko w komunikacji z klientami).
* Uwag dot. komunikacji było dużo. Uwagi pojawiały się tylko z jego strony. Kontekst: Staszek w komunikacji sam radził sobie w mojej ocenie kiepsko, w odróżnieniu od mojego szefa, który uwag do mnie w tym zakresie nie anon1235093333ł.
* Kiedy stosowałam się do uwag, otrzymywałam pretensje i odwrotne instrukcje – i tak w kółko. Niezależnie co zrobiłam, zawsze było źle.
* Uwaga, w to będzie trudno uwierzyć: odcinanie Internetu, kiedy z firmy wyszli wszyscy poza mną (wiem, jak absurdalnie to brzmi, ale kiedy regularnie Internetu zaczynało brakować po zatrzaśnięciu się drzwi za ostatnim pracownikiem poza mną, zaczęłam to monitorować (czując się przy tym jak wariatka z urojeniami) – internet zawsze wracał zaraz po moim wyjściu, bez znaczenia, czy wychodziłam 5 czy 30 min. po odcięciu Internetu).
* Przychodzenie do mnie z uwagami tylko wtedy, kiedy nie było wokół świadków.
* Oskarżał mnie na zebraniach dyrektorów (podobno o rzeczy bez sensu – to informacja z drugiej ręki).

(Pisząc to zaczęłam się trząść, więc chyba nie chcę sobie więcej i bardziej szczegółowo przypominać, szczególnie, że najgorsze wspomnienia jeszcze przede mną.)

Nadszedł ten dzień…

W biurze nie było mojego faktycznego przełożonego. Przyszedł do mnie Staszek i powiedział, że on i właściciel firmy muszą ze mną porozmawiać. Powiedziałam, że mam w środku dnia spotkanie. Spytał, czy chcę porozmawiać przed czy po. Chciałam porozmawiać przed. Usłyszałam, że porozmawiamy po moim powrocie.

Wróciłam ze spotkania. Weszłam do pokoju właściciela. Staszek zaczął mówić, że jest ze mną problem, i on ma tu na wszystko dowody (wskazując na komputer). I zaczął wymieniać. Oskarżał mnie kolejno o błędy i niekompetencję – za każdym razem prosiłam o dowód. On czytał kawałek jakiegoś maila, ja mówiłam, że nie widzę związku między jego oskarżeniem a przeczytaną treścią (anon1235093333łam wrażenie, jakby maile były dobierane losowo i anon1235093333ły służyć tylko do wypowiedzenia zdania “mam tu dowody”), on szukał dalej (albo nie znajdował, albo znów odrzucałam jego argument), po czym przechodził do kolejnej uwagi. Merytoryka nie anon1235093333ła żadnego znaczenia w tej rozmowie. W końcu zaczęły się uwagi, że wszystkim przeszkadzam. Że wszystkim przeszkadzało, że kiedy przyszłam do firmy, mówiłam cały czas co lubię, czego nie lubię (nie dość, że taka uwaga brzmi absurdalnie, to nie przypominam sobie nic takiego). I że nikt mnie nie lubi. To chyba był moment, w którym pękłam już na maksa (od początku anon1235093333łam ściśnięte gardło) i już nie uanon1235093333łam przestać płakać. Nie anon1235093333ło znaczenia, że ze wszystkimi anon1235093333łam fajne relacje poza Staszkiem.

Co zrobił właściciel firmy? Przytakiwał Staszkowi, mimo bardzo dziwnej treści uwag, ich wzajemnej sprzeczności. Co więcej, pozwolił na tę rozmowę pod nieobecność mojego szefa. I to chyba było najgorsze. Nie to, co zrobił Staszek, ale to, co zrobił właściciel firmy. Tym faktem zbulwersowany był też mój szef, który ostro pokłócił się z prezesem. Ale nie mógł cofnąć tego, co się stało.

Następnego dnia przyszłam do pracy i oświadczyłam, że kończę bieżące projekty i odchodzę.

***

Niedługo po tym, jak odeszłam i przestałam bywać w biurze, rozmawiałam z właścicielem firmy. Usłyszałam od niego coś takiego: “Prosiłaś mnie o rekomendację na LinkedInie. Tylko że strzeliłaś sobie w kolano, wyłączając Staszka z adresatów maila z pożegnaniem i podziękowaniem za wspólne lata pracy”. Odpowiedziałam wtedy (i dziś uważam tak samo), że mogłam albo wysłać podziękowanie do wszystkich poza nim i być szczera, albo mogłam wysłać maila do wszystkich i moje podziękowania nie anon1235093333łyby wówczas żadnej wartości.

Po odejściu nie anon1235093333łam siły na nic. Przez kilka miesięcy nie podejmowałam się żadnej stałej pracy, biorąc tylko dorywcze zlecenia (w tym od firmy, z której odeszłam, pracując z domu, i nie kontaktując się ze swoim mobberem). Mobbing był przyczyną ataków lękowych, a w konsekwencji rozpoczęcia przyjmowania antydepresantów. Przepracowałam sytuację na terapii u psychotraumatologa, a mimo to mam spiętą żuchwę i ciężej się oddycha, kiedy piszę te słowa. Wiele konkretów zdążyło się zatrzeć w mojej głowie, ale najwyraźniej ciało pamięta.

***

Mimo to, że od mojego odejścia minęło kilka lat, Staszek nadal tam pracuje. Dlaczego nie walczyłam w sądzie? Uznałam, że mobbing jest przemocą, którą trudno udowodnić, a sam proces mnie jeszcze bardziej zniszczy. Zwyczajnie nie anon1235093333łam siły.

Jeżeli mam powiedzieć, co z całej historii było dla mnie najbardziej bolesne, to postawa właściciela firmy (wzmocniona słowami o moim strzale w kolano), który stanął po stronie oprawcy, a mi jeszcze dołożył od siebie.

***

Dałam ten tekst do przeczytania partnerowi, który również pracował dla tej firmy, i był przy mnie, kiedy to wszystko się działo. Stwierdził, że tekst zupełnie nie oddaje tego, co się wówczas działo. Że mobbing opisany wcale nie wygląda groźnie. I że chyba nie da się tego przekazać słowami – trzeba doświadczyć przemocy psychicznej i (co ważne) uświadomić sobie, że jest to przemoc, żeby zrozumieć, co się wtedy działo ze mną i wokół mnie. Kiedy sama to czytam, mnie też historia wydaje się banalna. Obawiam się, że taka wydaje się przemoc psychiczna i jej skutki. Oglądana z zewnątrz i analizowana czysto rozumowo nie wydaje się przesadnie straszna, mimo że czyni spustoszenie wewnątrz ofiary.

Zastanawiam się, czy to nie prowadzi do pogrążania się ofiar w przekonaniu, że są winne? Czy taka “racjonalna” ocena mobbingu i przemocy psychicznej nie utrzymuje nas w toksycznych relacjach zawodowych? Czy nie powstrzymuje nas przed wychodzeniem z takich sytuacji (myśli typu: “pewnie przesadzam, to nie jest powód do płaczu, a co dopiero do zanon1235093333ny pracy”)?

Czy przyzwolenie otoczenia na mobbing i przemoc psychiczną nie utwierdza nas w przekonaniu, że to z nami jest coś nie tak (myśli typu: “skoro szef przytakuje tym uwagom, to może faktycznie mają rację”)?

Czy brak reakcji na mobbing i przemoc psychiczną nie pogłębia przekonania, że nic nie można zmienić (to wiąże się akurat z inną moją historią, z innej firmy, gdzie zignorowano nasze zgłoszenia przypadku seksizmu w firmie – kolejnych sytuacji już nawet nie zgłaszaliśmy HR-om)?

Co możemy zrobić? Co może zrobić każdy z nas, aby nie być ofiarą? Co zrobić, aby ochronić innych przed byciem ofiarami? Jak oddolnie tworzyć przyjazne środowisko i zapobiegać takim sytuacjom w naszym otoczeniu? Rzucajcie pomysły!"
2,53993,2019-05-25T15:46:25.311Z,9931,1,8,7,2,0,0,16.6,53648,anon2446385507,anon3839296096,"@anon3839296096, jak możemy ci podziękować za udostępnienie tej historii? Jesteś niezmiernie odważna - ja raczej nie odważyłabym się na taką szczerość. 

Jeśli masz wątpliwości, zaufaj sobie i wiedz, że sam fakt, że wyszłaś z tego doświadczenia z blizną, jest znakiem, że było ono prawdziwe. 

Jest to typowe dla ofiar, z tego co czytałam na ten temat, ale twoja własna zdolność do refleksji nad tym z różnych perspektyw (od wewnątrz iz zewnątrz) wskazuje, że faktycznie doznałaś mobbingu i traumatycznych przeżyć. 

Zastanawiam się jednak, jaka w Polsce kara za takie zachowanie? Czy wszystko, co działo się wokół ruchu #metoo, anon1235093333ło jakieś echo w Polsce?

Czy w tej sytuacji istnieją jakieś prawa pracy chroniące kobiety i wszystkich pracowników?"
3,54026,2019-05-27T09:53:29.234Z,9931,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,53648,anon3593942245,anon3839296096,"hej @anon3839296096 - nie jesteś sama w tym doświadczeniu. Myśle, że każdy, kto kiedykolwiek pracował z ludźmi, doświadczył mobbingu w jakiejś formie. Ja pamiętam doskonale, kiedy jako studentka dorabiałam kelnerowaniem na weselach  i anon1235093333łam przełożonego, który bez przerwy mnie poniżał. Musiałam wracać do pracy, bo potrzebowałam pieniędzy, ale po 24-godzinnych zanon1235093333nach, bo takie anon1235093333łam, przepłakiwałam całe poranki. Za tydzień anon1235093333łam siłę, żeby się mu od nowa stawić..

Niestety, niektórzy nie są tak odporni na przemoc, jak ja - i potrafię sobie wyobrazić, że wiele osób, które sa wrażliwe, albo dla których praca jest ważna i jest istotnym elementem tożsamości, będzie niezwykle podatnych na takie działania. Jeśli nie pojawią się jakieś ogólnopolskie, wymuszone przez prawo i łatwo egzekwowalne mechanizmy rozliczania się z tymi osobami, to chyba niewiele się da z tym zrobić. 

jedno jest pewne - ciągła obecność tego faceta w tamtej firmie kompromituje ją na tyle, że wręcz podważa to sens przejmowania się utratą wymarzonego stanowiska. Chociaż zrozumiem, że strata pracy marzeń wkrótce po studiach i takie pierwsze doświadczenie w profesjonalnym  środowisku muszą mieć niefajne działanie na morale... 

Mam nadzieję, że uda nam się znaleźć w tej dyskusji jeszcze jakieś osoby, które przeżyły podobne sytuacje i mają jakieś sposoby na radzienie sobie z nimi."
4,57291,2019-07-29T19:26:11.030Z,9931,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,53993,anon3839296096,anon2446385507,"Akcja #metoo zahaczyła o Polskę, chyba głównie na FB. Nie anon1235093333ła raczej na nic większego bezpośredniego wpływu, ale jednak była przełamaniem tabu. Być może dała komuś do myślenia? Trudno ocenić.

Ta konkretna, opisana w poście sytuacja nie anon1235093333ła akurat związku z płcią. Jednak to co łączy przejawy seksizmu i mobbing ogólnie, to trudność w podobnym ocenianiu sytuacji przez różne osoby (przykładowo coś, co dla mnie jest gwałtem, dla innych jest niewinnym (!) żartem i świadczy zdaniem niektórych jedynie o moim braku poczucia humoru (sic!)), oraz trudność w udowodnieniu czegokolwiek. To jest krzywda, którą łatwo wyrządzić bez zdejmowania białych rękawiczek – pewnie tym trudniejsze jest doświadczanie takiej przemocy przez ofiary (poczucie winy, ciągłe zastanawianie się, czy nie przesadzamy itp.)."
1,55520,2019-06-20T19:59:31.637Z,10202,0,13,12,597,0,0,3002.6,55520,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"![Promo%20Connectors|690x341](upload://q7yvEpAwPPzpTUYNtMSFWquQkeV.png) 
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_**Blahobyt v Evropě**_ je komunitním platformou, na níž se lidé z různých zemí setkávají a sdílejí způsoby, díky nimž se v dnešní době dokážou cítit dobře a spokojeně.

Potřebujeme vaši pomoc při přípravě komunitní akce v listopadu 2019 v České republice, která je součástí série podobných událostí konajících současně v Polsku, Srbsku, Německu.

Přilákáte, zorganizujete a usnadníte účastníkům z různých socioekonomických skupin, úrovní vzdělání, profesí, věkových anon3213561856egorií, možnost k tomu, aby prodiskutovali záležitosti důležité pro jejich vlastní blahobyt a stav jejich města, země, čtvrti, rodiny.

Aby byl projekt úspěšná, využívá metodiku pro online/offline budování komunity vyvinutou společností Edgeryders: mediátoři musí zkrátka zajistit, aby všichni účastníci sdíleli své příběhy na komunitním fóru projektu a vzájemně komunikovali prostřednictvím komentářů před a po chystané akci. Vzniká tak autentická a konstruktivní debata, která povede k široké analýze a výzkumu na úrovni této komunity a pomůže nám vybudovat dlouhodobou síť napříč různými evropskými zeměmi.

## Vaše úkoly budou následující:

PŘED KOMUNITNÍ AKCÍ:

* Zapojte 50 lidí z různých prostředí ve vaší vesnici, městě, městě, zemi, aby se připojili ke komunitě na http://edgeryders.eu, aby sdíleli a zveřejňovali své příběhy na komunitním fóru. Klíčovými tématy příběhů jsou: služby zdravotní a sociální péče, práce a prosperita, duchovní a morální blahobyt.

* Pořádejte sérii virtuálních kaváren - online setkání, kde se lidé z jiných částí vaší země a z jiných zemí mohou poznávat a společně diskutovat o tom, co se dozvěděli z příběhů, které byly zveřejněny na online komunitním fóru. Kavárny jsou ohlašovány na Facebooku a platformě Edgeryders a dalších příslušných kanálech, zápisy z nich jsou posléze zveřejňovány v rámci platformy.

* Společně s lidmi, které jste přivedli do online komunity a virtuální kavárny, připravte program pro místní akci.

BĚHEM KOMUNITNÍ AKCE

* Ujistěte se, že celá událost je zdokumentována jak písemně tak za pomocí videa podle metody a formátu, které se naučíte při spolupráci s naším mezinárodním týmem.

* Shromážděte všechny dokumentační materiály na jednom místě a dobře je strukturujte, aby bylo pro ty, kteří nemohli přijít osobně, snadné se diskuse zúčastnit.

PO KOMUNITNÍ AKCI:

*  Zapojte účastníky do toho, aby se podělili o své zkušenosti z akce na online platformě.

*  Napište jeden článek, ve kterém shrnete, co se stalo, co jste se naučili a co si myslíte o dalších krocích na základě svých zkušeností.

## Jak podat přihlášku

1. Pošlete e-mail community@anon

2. Zjistěte víc a získejte další pomoc a rady tím že se připojíte k [Virtuální kavárně v Češtině](https://edgeryders.eu/t/register-for-a-virtual-cafe-online-gathering/9586).

3. Představte se komunitě tím, že se podělíte o osobní zážitek: [sem přidejte nové téma](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz).

Výsledky na základě Vaší přihlášky vám sdělíme po výběru vhodného kandidáta a uzavření celého procesu.

## Nástin pracovní doby a odměn

Pracovní smlouva bude platná od srpna 2019 do února 2020 s odměnou 5000 EUR na základě vašich výstupů. Odhadujeme až 3 dny práce každý týden, v závislosti na vašem rytmu.

## Kdo jsme?

Edgeryders je nezisková organizace žijící v symbióze s online komunitou tisíců aktivistů, výzkumníků, inovátorů, radikálních myslitelů a aktivistů a prostě normálních lidí, kteří chtějí něco změnit. Věříme, že inteligentní komunita předčí všechny své členy; je to výsledek spolupráce lidí, kteří se zdokonalují v práci toho druhého.

_Blahobyt v Evropě_ (Wellbeing in Europe) je součástí výzkumného a inovačního projektu financovaného z programu Horizont 2020 pod oficiálním názvem POPREBEL. Projekt se zaměřuje na vysvětlení a kontextualizaci nedávného vzestupu populismu ve střední a východní Evropě (CEE). Výzkum se zabývá obsahem shromážděným prostřednictvím http://edgeryders.eu, který prochází on-line etnografickou analýzou a sémantickou analýzou sociálních sítí.

Projekt je financován Evropskou komisí na základě grantové dohody číslo 822682 z období 2019–2021. Dalšími partnery jsou University College London (UK), Univerzita Karlova, Jagiellonian University (Polsko), University of Belgrade (Srbsko).

## Jak budeme vybírat _lokální mediátory_

Hledáme někoho, kdo umí plynně česky nebo slovensky a anglicky na komunianon3213561856ivní úrovni.

Budeme uvažovat o jedincích, kteří projeví zájem o _Blahobyt v Evropě_; kteří jsou empatičtí, zvědaví a schopní zapojit lidi z různých oblastí života do autentické, konstruktivní a slušné diskuse o důležitých tématech.

Nejdůležitější je, že _mediátor_ je ochoten spolupracovat s mezinárodním týmem a používat on-line nástroje, jako jsou videochaty pro komunikaci, zapojit se do života platformy a dokumentovat průběh práce.

## Co se stane, když mě vyberou?

Budete úzce spolupracovat s týmem Edgeryders na vybudování komunity Blahobytu v Evropě a série akcí ve vaší zemi.

## Co se stane, když mě nevyberou?

Mohli byste zísanon3213561856 odměnu 200 Eur za příběh, kterým jste přispěli v rámci výběrového řízení. Více informací zde: https://edgeryders.eu/t/vyzva-k-pribehum-jak-ve-svem-zivote-vytvorit-zdravi-a-prosperitu-kde-se-zaseknes-odmena-200/10374

## Další informace

[Připojte se k online setkání](http://edgeryders.eu/t/register-for-an-online-gathering/9586) v češtině.

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_Poslední aktualizace dokumentu 25.7.2019_"
2,55542,2019-06-21T08:40:16.495Z,10202,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,55520,anon781457888,anon3353600255,@anon757878494 can you please push out in czech internet?
3,55556,2019-06-21T12:43:12.167Z,10202,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,55542,anon757878494,anon781457888,Done
4,56133,2019-07-04T07:09:01.239Z,10202,0,8,7,10,0,0,51.6,55520,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,
5,57112,2019-07-24T16:45:52.435Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,15.8,55520,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,@anon2446385507 edited to the new version
6,57132,2019-07-25T08:35:59.385Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,57112,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Thanks! I had to remove some of the steps for application, because if they send an email that should be already OK. So Number 3 - Share a story is optional, i don't know how to say it.

Where the deadline is, can you specify that this call is open until we find someone.
At that point, we will announce it on the forum."
7,57206,2019-07-27T07:39:50.597Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,15.8,57132,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"But may I ask when will that be? As I am time from time getting in touch with our current applicant, he is obviously interested and asking about the process. I am afraid dragging this out further on does not inspire much trust in the whole project.."
8,57243,2019-07-29T10:12:38.140Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,57206,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Yes, I hear you, I think you're right. end of August? cc @anon"
9,57257,2019-07-29T11:19:51.021Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,15.8,57243,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"I think we settled the deadline for the end of July? If you see there's an uptick in signings from Czech or some other promising movement on the platform that supports the idea of another prolongation, then let us know and we can do it. But I don't think having the ad running for an additional month will also make us look credible, or that we will get lucky during this summer, or ever, in Czech Republic."
10,57264,2019-07-29T13:03:00.536Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,30.8,57257,anon3353600255,anon3593942245,"
@anon
Speak of the devil:).. there may be another person interested:) a friend of my friends wrote me via Facebook, so I told her that she can still apply - and Kuba was asking whether he should write the e-mail in accordance with the new call conditions, so I told him he does not have to, if that is ok..Nevertheless I feel similarly as Natalia does (this Hanka still reacted to the previous call), I would agree to closing up end of July - including her if she applies, I can write her a polite reminder on Wednesday, if she does not apply until then"
11,57323,2019-07-30T13:30:46.846Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,15.8,57264,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Ok, that works then. I defer to your better judgement!"
12,57329,2019-07-30T14:04:18.846Z,10202,0,4,3,0,0,0,0.8,57323,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Let's see how it pans out further, I hope for the best in terms of further progress."
1,52102,2019-03-27T14:00:20.708Z,9664,1,46,45,25,0,0,229.2,52102,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<image here> 
 

We would like to ask you, what is the situation of a person working in your country... and those who are looking for a job without success.

_What are the biggest problems of the labor market in your country?_
_Do you include too low minimum wages? Or maybe badly structured employment contracts?_
_Do salaries offered in your country guarantee a decent life?_
_How is the work of women assessed?_

Despite the economic development and decreasing social differences, there are many differences across countries in terms of offered support for job seekers and the unemployed.

**Access to the labor market is difficult in smaller cities**, also for people with higher education. There is also lack of support or even understanding for working classes - in the form of solid education, training, professional training, helping to update knowledge and skills to the needs of the market. On the one hand, we are one of the best educated societies in Europe.

On the other hand, **the educational offer and the promise emanating from the universities are unmatched by reality.** Many of us are educated in the belief that a master's degree is a guarantee of success - which often turns out to be untrue, the more so if you do not want to move to one of the big cities and take a job in a corporation.

**For those who decide to choose manual professions or crafts, we are often looked down on.** The common aspiration to work behind a desk, results in that other professions are often judged as &quot;failure&quot;, affecting, among other things, that we are ready to agree to starvation wages for many people whose daily effort has a huge impact on the quality of our lives. Not to mention the lack of respect for the professions keeping our cities, hospitals and homes in hygiene and cleanliness (for example), it spoils our relationships and creates unnecessary distance.

**Another problem is the instability of work -** in recent years, the share of temporary employment contracts has increased in Europe, from 8.1% in 1983 reaching almost to around 14% in 2017. The effects of such a situation are unfavorable in the long run - Citizens of some part of Europe are considered more competitive and inexpensive labor forces with respect to others, but this applies mainly to less advanced professions. Such a situation does not facilitate further education, does not guarantee social mobility and, above all, does not give security practitioners safety.

**Unemployment is also a problem - even among young people, up to 39% are still unemployed in some parts of Europe.** Many of them admit that finding a good occupation depends on happiness and contact, which means that some people decide to stay at home. Do you also think that finding a good job in your country is difficult for the same reasons? Or maybe there are other reasons?

# We have created a special forum for this need, where we can safely talk about important topics. 
We will avoid conflicts and insults here, we will provide all participants with the right conditions to express their own opinions and feelings. Without judgement or imposing our ideas on one another.

Thanks to you, we will understand what are the life experiences of anyone who has something to say about it.

Those who are especially active in the conversation are eligible to get a 200 € reward for their contributions if they are based in Europe. More information about this here: http://bit.ly/2LbQvyD

## We invite you to participate in the Wellbeing in Europe discussion, in two simple ways:
1) Register with an account [here](http://communities.edgeryders.eu/), then [+Add Topic here](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/eu) to share your story. 
AND
2) Join us for a relaxed virtual chat to meet other participants and learn more about this initiative. [Register here!](http://bit.ly/2V0ldLI)**:

## Why it's good for you: 
By sharing your experience you can get connected with others who are trying to solve the same problem. You will receive an invitation to our community festival at the end of 2019 (to be announced soon). You will also be considered for the **position of [local connector](https://edgeryders.eu/t/edgeryders-is-hiring-become-a-local-connector-for-a-project-on-improving-wellbeing-for-citizens-in-europe-part-time-over-5-months-5000/9719/)**. By becoming a local connector you get access to the opportunities for personal and professional development in a friendly and supportive environment. As well as a budget to cover the costs of organising a local event as part of an upcoming community festival.

## Why it's good for everyone:
By putting together the lived experiences “on the ground” of different people, we can and identify credible strategies make an impact on messy problems that impact everyone and that no one can solve by themselves.

We look forward to meet you,

@anon4110936133, @anon3353600255, @anon1659154220, @anon"
2,52106,2019-03-27T14:48:05.381Z,9664,0,9,8,0,1,0,1.8,52102,anon2661411812,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:1, topic:9664""]**Welcome to join us for a relaxed virtual chat to meet other participants and learn more about this initiative here** : http://bit.ly/2V0ldLI[/quote]

Feedback: it's not clear from that text or the link that this is an invitation to a video call. Also, people will need to install Zoom, which is a bit of an effort (and they'd need instructions for that / a link to our Zoom manual)."
3,52107,2019-03-27T14:52:35.339Z,9664,0,8,7,0,0,0,1.6,52102,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Thanks Matt. Maybe not clear, in fact we're saying that the easiest to join is to come to a virtual meeting.
Will reformulate! We've decided to go with zoom because we can have one, all time registration page per country, it keeps track of attendees, we get emails and it's easier to onboard them. Plus you can personalise the registration pages, add banner and content in the language and so on. The benefits of us paying for a zoom account. Also linking to the zoom manual <3"
4,52108,2019-03-27T14:58:50.973Z,9664,0,7,6,0,0,0,46.4,52107,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,Wondering: isnt this video easier than the documentation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFhAEoCF7jg
5,53010,2019-05-01T10:16:20.776Z,9664,1,26,25,32,0,0,230.2,52102,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"If I think about people finding solutions to ""employment"" for themselves and their communities, @anon3384924547's definitely my favourite: she had a dream to build a youth space in Medenine, in South Tunisia, joined the community with a lot of ambition and taking every opportunity in the OpenVillage project, turning herself in a regional community mobilizer, organised a [social innovation camp](https://edgeryders.eu/t/join-us-in-the-edgeryders-camp-d/7772) where some of us attended, and months later opened her space: Our Ghema. A true entrepreneur! But the favourite story is the one she shared first, it goes straight to the heart:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/decent-life-for-all/6774"
6,53098,2019-05-04T11:25:55.366Z,9664,1,21,20,1,1,0,104.2,53010,anon3384924547,anon2446385507,"Thank you! this brought a lot of beautiful memories back and it made my day, how things changed and how it is real now :) 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:1, topic:9664""]
By sharing your experience you can get connected with others who are trying to solve the same problem. You will receive an invitation to our community festival at the end of 2019 (to be announced soon). You will also be considered for the **position of [local connector](https://edgeryders.eu/t/edgeryders-is-hiring-become-a-local-connector-for-a-project-on-improving-wellbeing-for-citizens-in-europe-part-time-over-5-months-5000/9719/)** . By becoming a local connector you get access to the opportunities for personal and professional development in a friendly and supportive environment. As well as a budget to cover the costs of organising a local event as part of an upcoming community festival.
[/quote]

This is only for european citizens ?"
7,53152,2019-05-06T16:30:41.454Z,9664,2,19,18,1,0,0,33.8,53098,anon2446385507,anon3384924547,"Hello dear! The project is Europe focused, which means ideally you'd have a story telling about people and projects living and working here. Or maybe you have connections here who would like to join this effort? Otherwise, give us a sign when you'll come again around the Belgium, France, Germany, Poland etc areas.."
8,53211,2019-05-07T19:49:37.185Z,9664,0,18,17,1,1,0,98.6,53152,anon3384924547,anon2446385507,"I will share it with my european friends and see how it goes! 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:7, topic:9664""]
Otherwise, give us a sign when you’ll come again around the Belgium, France, Germany, Poland etc areas…
[/quote]
 I'll certainly will dear! if you have any future projects in the MENA region please let me know though, it is always great working with you <3"
9,57193,2019-07-26T15:07:36.927Z,9664,1,13,12,1,0,0,57.6,53152,anon3384924547,anon2446385507,Hello! I will be in paris in September! if any of you is around there let me know :D
10,57245,2019-07-29T10:17:20.955Z,9664,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,57193,anon2446385507,anon3384924547,"Not me..  Thanks for letting us know!
If there's an event and you'd like to catch up with other people or connect on the topics of it, [Campfire](https://edgeryders.eu/c/campfire) is an even better place  on the platform to announce it."
1,57235,2019-07-29T08:35:59.327Z,10424,0,9,8,4,0,0,51.8,57235,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Kilka tekstów, które ostatnio pojawiły się w naszej społeczności, i dlaczego warto je przeczytać:


1. anon162094910 głosuje na prawicę, ale nie przyznaje się do tego w swojej pracy - czy masz podobne doświadczenia? Dlaczego boimy się rozmawiać o swoich poglądach?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/region-twardo-stapajacy-po-ziemi/10373

Hashtagi: #praca #prawica #poglądy #łódzkie #jakglosuje #wybory

2. Planujemy nasze spotkanie w Polsce - Mikołaja bardzo interesuje organizacja Otwartego Forum jako miejsca, w którym możemy szczerze porozmawiać o tym, co nas różni. I zbliżyć się do siebie. A Ty o czym chciałbyś z nami wtedy porozmawiać? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/event-listopadowy/10399

Hashtagi: #otwarteforum #ponadpodziałami #dialog


3. Napisałam krótką historię o wystawie na warszawskim Biennale, która uaktywnia osoby wykluczone/dyskryminowane/niezrozuanon1235093333ne przez system. O tym, jak widzą świat osoby niepełnosprawne, dzieci, młodzi uchodźcy. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/biennale-warszawa-edukacja-specjalna-w-polsce/10401


Hashtagi: #biennalewarszawa #warsawbiennale #niepelnosprawnosc #uchodzcy #sztuka #inkluzywnosc

4. anon1942832091 opowiedziała o tym, jak ewoluują jej poglądy na temat homoseksualizmu, kościoła, inności - o tym, jak łatwo deklarować wartości, i jak sytuacje życiowe je weryfikują. 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/staram-sie-szukac-odpowiedzi/10419


Hashtagi: #homoseksualizm #kosciol #wiara #wartosci #tolerancja


5. Andrzej: ""(...) mam poczucie, że jesteśmy świadkami wielkich zanon1235093333n na naszej planecie, że ten odchył w prawą stronę to coś więcej, niż tylko polityczna zanon1235093333na. Niszczymy nie tylko układy społeczne, ale i naturę. To zmierza w złym kierunku.""

https://edgeryders.eu/t/to-zmierza-w-zlym-kierunku/10362

Hashtagi: #zanon1235093333na #anon3213561856astrofa #ekologia #planeta"
2,57236,2019-07-29T08:38:49.960Z,10424,0,5,4,1,0,0,36.0,57235,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"@anon2446385507 @anon781457888 @anon3589994963 @anon757878494 

I prepared this summary of last week's stories in Polish community (three more to summarise, edit and comment on are left, I will include them in next week's batch) - and prepared short teasers which can be used for social media. Let me know what else would be needed to push it, if you plan to :) there's five, so one per day, if you may :)"
1,57029,2019-07-23T12:48:54.858Z,10402,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,57029,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Korso_Krymskáanon301294746413_13.JPG

Uplynulé týdny byli v naší komunitě obzvlášť bohaté na milá setkání. @anon
https://edgeryders.eu/t/prague-conversations-over-beers-or-how-to-talk-to-a-czech-person-mid-july-outreach-report/10379

V Praze se k jejímu večernímu posezení připojili již delší dobu aktivní členové české komunity @anon3353600255 a  @anon4062071924 a poměrně do detailu probírali společně s další pozvanými k POPREBEL stolu v Café Sladkovský to, co se v Česku aktuálně děje. Výsledkem jsou dva rozhovory,  publikované na platformě. První s anon4110936133em, programátorem v nejlepším produktivním věku těsně nad 50, který ze svého osobního hlediska  vidí jako příčinu současné společensko-politické krize nízkou informovanost lidí a omezenou nabídku politických stran v celé šíři spektra:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/id-rather-vote-right-wing-but-theres-nobody-to-vote-for/10380
Dalším, kdo se aktivně zúčastnil byl Petr, čerstvý absolvent žurnalistiky, který strávil několik let v zahraničí a srovnával svoje zkušenosti s přednostmi života zpět v Praze. Jak zmínil, za hlavní problém představuje stále více rozevírající se nůžky mezi různými částmi populace a nízký přehled o tom, jaké problémy vlastně lidé mimo naše vlastní bubliny řeší:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/prague-is-great-theres-nothing-much-to-improve-here/10381 

Také máte pocit, že je těžké potkávat se s lidmi mimo Vaší sociální bublinu? Ne každý může říci, že se mu v třeba Praze žije úplně bezproblémově a má možnost vykomunikovat s ostatními, co se v jeho životě děje. Blahobyt/Wellbeing by jako komunita měla přesně takový komunikační kanál vytvořit a pomoci tento problém vyřešit, čím víc nás bude, tím lépe toho dosáhneme. Budeme se těšit na další příspěvky!"
2,57126,2019-07-25T07:40:17.365Z,10402,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,57029,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Jiri, can you add a photo?"
3,57205,2019-07-27T07:29:36.077Z,10402,0,5,4,1,0,0,21.0,57126,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,Tried:)
1,56882,2019-07-19T08:17:34.690Z,10381,0,12,11,4,0,0,37.4,56882,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"The second person I found in Cafe Sladkovsky was a young freelancer, 27-year-old Peter, who votes rather left and works as a journalist/event manager in Prague. As with the previous interview, I tried to get people to point out some main issues - and while anon4110936133 had quite round political opinions, they both seemed to be just... fine with how things are, in a way. Or resigned? Can't point exactly what is the challenge here, but the little Czechs I had a chance to talk to would just accept the situation they way it is to some extent, do not feel terribly empowered to shake things up and make them easier. Anyway, off to what Peter told us :) 

_What do you do, what do you like to do in your life?_

I am a huge traveler: I lived in Sydney, London, ¨and I am really into music like punk rock, grunge. I studied journalism. I only partly work as a journalist - mostly, we organize congresses for doctors, I am an event manager, organizing these things. But still I am at a junior position

_Since when have you been living in Prague?_

I got back four months ago, I feel great here. I have traveled a lot, but I really love Prague. There are a lot of great things here: public transportation, lots of parks, it is much more multicultural than it was, everyone speaks English, a lot Americans or Argentinians live here now, I have a flatmate from California.

_And how is the job market in Prague?_

I got back those 4-5 months ago, and it is really great, and I am not saying this because I have a national pride or anything, but there are just so many events, concerts, you have the freedom to drink your beer in the street, it just feels very free here.

_How about the rents?_

Not surprising for capital, but I can afford to live in the center of the city, not alone, but I can, unlike in London

_So, what is not working in Czechia, is there something?_

I feel like the education system could be better, it is important. My children will speak English because of my background, but it is not for everyone, schools in general should be providing this chance for everyone. Also, nurses and teachers are underpaid, for a job they are doing, and I think this is a problem. Czech teachers are mostly female and not so progressive, maybe they just lack the agency, the energy to fight for themselves. They should protest and push for their interests and I would support them. 

_Do you think it has to do with sexism, gender inequality in the Czech Republic?_ 

I am not a girl, so it's hard for me to tell, and I live in my bubble, so I do not know about other occupations/. The girls around me are very successful, emancipated, but I read about the problems of others

_What else should be improved? How about the current political crisis?_

I am sad about it

_Why the people vote for the obviously corrupt and most probably criminal politicians to be in charge?_

I do not know, but the gap within the society is growing ad it is not going to be better, the populists will remain strong.

_Who did you vote for?_

Secretly, I am a liberal, but my father thinks I am a leftist

_In which way liberal?_

Hard to tell, for me education is important, but I also think we should keep the free market.

_So what are the political differences between you and your father?_

I think the background to which you are born is very important, which he disagrees with. He believes in the American dream of a sort. 

_Is it because of communist experience?_

Exactly. I think it is he is idealizing the USA because of this, the culture and so on, but we talked about it, and he started questioning it now as well. It is a very complicated country."
2,57106,2019-07-24T15:57:45.522Z,10381,1,11,10,2,0,0,17.2,56882,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"This is funny: while I was reading I was thinking to myself- wow, here is a 27 years well travelled person who is so aware of their bubble.For someone to not have an opinion about why the opposite gender does or thinks in a way, I think is quite admirable.

But then at the end I got lost: why wouldn't you tell your parents about your real political views?"
3,57108,2019-07-24T16:10:10.744Z,10381,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,57106,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"I think he mentioned that he discusses some issues, but it is a slow process for him opening up"
1,57028,2019-07-23T12:36:16.594Z,10401,0,5,4,5,0,0,26.0,57028,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Jednym z najmocniejszych momentów mojej wizyty na Biennale w Warszawie był spacer po wystawie ""Przestrzeń bez Końca"", która znajdowała się w szkole specjalnej na Pradze. Kuratorka tej wystawy wdrożyła nas w tajniki szkolnictwa specjalnego w kraju. To była dopiero lekcja. 

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Zaczęło się przygodą - czekaliśmy na spóźnionego portiera. Dostaliśmy więc dawkę wstępnych informacji o tym, czym i jak się ta szkoła zajmuje, którą przerwało pojawienie się dziesięcioletniej dziewczynki z czapeczką z daszkiem, w różowym T-shircie. Kuratorka: O cześć, Maja! To jest Maja, lokalna aktywistka. Kiedy zauważyła, że zaczynamy działać w szkole, przyszła i zorganizowała własne warsztaty. Tu widać - wisi jej plaanon3213561856. 

Hoho! Kuratorka pracująca z dziećmi w szkole specjalnej przedstawia nas 10-letniej praskiej aktywistce. Jest dobrze. 

Dowiedziałam się poza tym, że dzieci ""specjalne"" mają obowiązek się szkolić do 24-roku życia (normalnie jest to 18). W szkole jest sporo dzieci romskich, które nie umieją mówić po polsku i są z tego powodu... diagnozowane jak opóźnione.... Trafiają też tu wszelkie inne dzieci - np. uczniowie z aspargerem, których przeniesiono z liceum! Do tego zaangażowany został dom dziecka w Szamocinach, gdzie dzieci dostają się z przemocowych rodzin o wiele za późno - i już nic właściwie nie jest w stanie naprawić wyrządzonych krzywd psychologicznych. Wreszcie ośrodek na Białołęce, w którym są matki z dziećmi uciekające przed wojnami - w Iraku, Czeczeni, Syrii, Ukrainie, Angoli. 

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W ramach Biennale rozpoczął się proces społeczny oparty na reprezentacji grup, których prawa nie są respektowane. Proces, który, zgodnie z założeniami, musiał trwać minimum 6 miesięcy - uczestnicy wystawy i towarzyszących jej aktywności poznawali siebie nawzajem, zaczynali rozumieć systemowe przeszkody i dziwadła, i budowali swój własny system zasad i działania, w ramach którego kolaboracja była możliwa. Jednym z kluczowych elementów tego projektu było znalezienie sposobu na włączenie w te prace dzieci uchodźcze, które bały się ujawnienia swoich twarzy, jako że są często poszukiwane w krajach, z których uciekają. Mamy więc na przykład wspaniałe wideo dokumentujące wypad na plażę (kontakt z wodą, ucieczka przed anon1235093333stem, odetchnięcie od szarej rzeczywistości - to wszystko anon1235093333ło wiele ciekawych znaczeń), na którym widać tylko plecy dzieci. 

Dzieci ustalały więc zasady na równi z dorosłymi.: pajdokracja w praktyce. Efekt? Pełna szacunku i ciepła atmosfera, w której kreatywność i granice danych osób były respektowane. Wystawa, której tematami była miłość i ekologia. 

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Jednym z najbardziej fascynujących projektów był spektakl, który opowiadał historię prezydenta z zainfekowanym glutem mózgiem. Ten glut sprawiał, że prezydent podejmował same złe dyskusje - a na koniec jego głowa eksplodowała i wybuchła tęczą. Spektakl był na każdym kroku przygotowany przez dzieci, w tym dzieci uchodźcze, które nie chciały pokazywać swoich twarzy i ujawniać nazwisk. Premiera odbyła się za zamkniętymi drzwiami, z publicznością, która została zatwierdzona przez artystów. Dzieci z domu dziecka z kolei nie zgodziły się ujawnić swoich nazwisk dlatego, że gdyby ich koledzy z klasy dowiedzieli się o tym, że są sierotami, nie daliby im spokoju. Rodzice często nie pozwalają im się wtedy ze sobą bawić. Co ciekawe, spektakl okazał się tak ogromnym sukcesem, że zachęceni artyści zgodzili się na kolejne, otwarte, pokazy - uznając, że przecież nie mogą się ukrywać całe życie. 

Inna klasa została wypełniona nitkami, które tworzą sieć - i zapraszają do znalezienia przez nią swojej drogi. Projekt ten, prowadzony przez Kaję Kołodziejczyk, zachęcał dzieci z różnych kultur do współpracy poprzez język ciała - pokonujący inne bariery. Dla wielu z tych dzieci było to przypomnieniem, że ciało pozwala nam uciec z każdej sytuacji. Na nitkach zawieszone były nazwy miejsc, do których dzieci chciałyby wrócić - stąd niektórzy dowiedzieli się, że wiele z nich było już w kilku obozach. 

Wreszcie takie smaczki, jak taktylne meble i przestrzenie wykreowane przez autystyczne dzieci - pracujące wbrew wytycznym ministerstw, że szkoły dla takich dzieci mają być białe: światła, ściany, meble. Tymczasem faktury i kolory pobudzają i interesują je dużo bardziej. Podobnie było z kreowaniem zakamarków i mebli-skrytek: brak miejsc, w których można się schować, jest w szkołach ewidetnym problemem. Brak skrytek sprawia, że dzieci gorzej się rozwijają. Kto by pomyślał?

To była bardzo ciekawa wyprawa - i jakże różna od tej w Pałacu Kultury dzień wcześniej. Jeśli liczyłam na lekcję, jak pracować z różnymi grupami i jak tworzyć przestrzenie i formaty, które tą pracę umożliwiają, to dostałam świetną szansę, żeby możliwe scenariusze porównać. Jestem przekonana, że ten z Pragi odnosi się wielkim, pozytywnym echem po dzielnicy."
1,52522,2019-04-13T05:50:37.793Z,9726,0,37,36,23,0,0,122.4,52522,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Czym jest duchowość w XXI wieku?

Na czym polega moralność współczesnego człowieka?

Jakie są jej źródła?

Nie samym chlebem człowiek żyje

W anon1235093333rę jak zmienia się ekonomiczna i polityczna sytuacja we Wschodniej Europie i poza nią, wyraźnie rośnie poziom niepewności i poczucia zagrożenia. I wydaje się, że ten niepokój nie zawsze jest związany z pogarszającą się sytuacją materialną ludzi, bo nawet ci, których życie materialnie się polepszyło, niejednokrotnie narzekają na brak … czegoś, na pustkę i niepokój. Wyraźnie widać, że nie samym chlebem człowiek żyje. Chcemy się więc wspólnie zastanowić nad tym, co należy zrobić, by stworzyć ludziom lepsze emocjonalne i psychologiczne warunki życia, tak by było im łatwiej odpowiedzieć na wyzwania naszych czasów.

Źródłem moralnego i psychologicznego wsparcia jest wiara, która jest w Polsce ogromnie ważna - około 90% społeczeństwa deklaruje przynależność do kościoła anon3213561856olickiego, większość Polaków uczęszcza na niedzielne msze i modli się w domu. Ale wiemy też, że młodzi ludzie stopniowo odchodzą od praktyki religijnej. Z wyników wieloletnich badań Instytutu PEW wynika, że luka pokoleniowa pomiędzy religijnością młodych i starszych Polaków się powiększa.

Zanon1235093333ny te wiążą się z nowym stylem życia, przenosinami do anon1235093333st, dostępem do edukacji i opieki zdrowotnej. Im lepiej nam się żyje, tym mniej interesujemy się anon860407196em, i nie różnimy się w tym sensie od innych rozwiniętych krajów. Sekularyzacja na świecie prawie zawsze towarzyszy ekonomicznemu dobrobytowi.

Czegoś w tym obrazie jednak brakuje.

Materialne powodzenie nie wystarcza do poczucia szczęścia i realizacji. Każde pokolenie kieruje się jakimś moralnym kompasem - bez niego trudno o spokój umysłu i… no właśnie, ducha. Niezależnie od tego, czy uczestniczymy w mszach, czy decydujemy zrobić sobie przerwę od kościoła, skądś czerpiemy wzorce i wartości, które wpływają na nasze decyzje i działania, na to, jak traktujemy naszych bliskich i sąsiadów, jak odnosimy się do środowiska, jak wychowujemy dzieci.

Kościół jest też historycznie centrum wspólnoty, wokół którego gromadzi się lokalna społeczność. Co zastępuje go młodym, odpływającym do metropolii Polakom, tak samo spragnionych kręgów bliskich im osób, których mogą poradzić się w trudnych chwilach? Czym są te nowe miejsca zgromadzeń? A może nie ma już wspólnot - i jeśli tak, to co je zastąpiło? Grupy i fora w internecie? Praca? Miejsca medytacji? Salony jogi? Bary? W znanych ze świeckości Czechach kobiety ostatnio odkrywają… śpiewanie w [chórach gospel](http://gospel.centrumgenerace.cz/clanky/14/o-nas/).

Ciekawi jesteśmy Twojej opinii. Gdzie Ty i Twoi bliscy znajdujecie wsparcie i źródła nadziei? W jakich wartościach? Skąd one pochodzą? Czy, Twoim zdaniem, zmienia się obraz religijności i moralności w Polsce? Skąd młodzi ludzie czerpią wzorce? Jaki jest współczesny kompas moralny Polaka? Kim są ważne autorytety podsuwające wzory myślenia i zachowania?

Odpowiedzi na te pytania pomogą nam zrozumieć rozwój duchowości i religijności w Polsce - oraz to, w jaki sposób kształtują one obywatelską solidarność i wspólnotę. Chcemy nauczyć się od was, gdzie znajdujecie nowe źródła duchowości? Wewnętrznego spokoju? Jak przekłada się to na Twoja umiejętność życia w pokoju z resztą kraju, resztą świata?

# **Stworzyliśmy na tę potrzebę specjalne forum, w którym bezpiecznie możemy rozmawiać na ważne tematy.**

**Będziemy unikać tutaj konfliktów i obrażania, zapewnimy wszystkim uczestnikom odpowiednie warunki do wyrażenia własnej opinii i uczuć.**

Dzięki wam zrozumiemy, jakie są życiowe doświadczenia mieszkańców Polski, i innych części świata - rozmawiamy o tym z Serbami, Czechami, Węgrami, i każdym, kto ma coś na ten temat do powiedzenia.

**Zapraszamy was do udziału w tej dyskusji:**

1. **Wpadnij na spotkanie online.** Co tydzień organizujemy otwarte rozmowy na różne tematy - wystarczy kliknąć na link i dołączyć do wirtualnej rozmowy tutaj: http://bit.ly/2P47Zv0

Albo…

2. **Jeśli wolisz pisać, zapraszamy do pisania o swoich doświadczeniach na naszej platformie, gdzie możesz spotkać ponad 4500 osób z 80 krajów na całym świecie.** Załóż konto na tej stronie internetowej klikając na “Zarejestruj się” w prawym górnym rogu tej strony. Następnie kliknij na "" + nowy temat"", aby rozpocząć nowy artykuł. http://bit.ly/2KCr6Oq

Płacimy też uczestnikom za najlepsze historie, więcej informacji tutaj: https://edgeryders.eu/t/show-us-stories-that-matter-become-an-expert-in-a-topic-and-get-paid-200/9823

Czekamy na ciebie - do zobaczenia!

Z niecierpliwością czekamy na spotkanie z Państwem,


@anon4110936133, @anon3353600255, @anon1659154220, @anon"
2,56840,2019-07-17T22:57:10.961Z,9726,2,25,24,1,0,0,35.0,52522,anon1499035227,anon3593942245,"Polskę opuściłem prawie 9 lat temu. Miałem z sobą coś ok 200 euro, gdy przeprowadziłem się do Holandii.  Od tego czasu, jestem innym człowiekiem. Nie czuję już takiej presji społecznej 

Kiedy mieszkałem w Polsce( pochodzę z warszawskiej Woli.) mimo, że mieszkałem w dużym mieście, zawsze czułem się dość stłamszony przez presję społeczną. Jak na polskie standardy lat 90tych wychowałem się w dość dziwnej rodzinie. Moi rodzice pomimo, że nie byli najbardziej religijni, to bardzo próbowali zrobić ze mnie księdza... Wyrosłem w swojego rodzaju dychotomii. Z jednej strony anon1235093333łem dość ścisłe wychowanie moralne, z drugiej strony ta moralność, którą moja anon681684766 próbowała we mnie zaszczepić była łamana, bądź to przez nią lub mojego ojca. Wychowałem się w biednej rodzinie, transformacja eknomiczna na początku lat 90tych do połowy lat 2000nych, bardzo uszczerbiła  dochody moich rodziców. I w sumie ową biedę winiłbym na tę powierzchowną moralność moich rodziców. Z drugiej strony byłem wychowany pod kloszem i dopóki nie przyjechałem do Holandii, nie anon1235093333łem możliwości  realizacji swoich aspiracji, pasji i marzeń.  To jest ciągle związane ze wsponianą biedą ale także silnym nadorem moich rodziców i mojego najbliższego otoczenia. 

Dziś jestem aktywnym działaczem społecznym. Jestem zdecydowanym ateistą. Jestem szczerze przekonany, że jeżeli zostałbym w Polsce moje życie byłoby inne i raczej bardzo mizerne."
3,56887,2019-07-19T09:16:43.806Z,9726,0,21,20,2,0,0,14.2,56840,anon2446385507,anon1499035227,"Cześć @anon1499035227 i witamy w naszej społeczności! Duża sieć, wiele rozmów. Cieszę się, że jakoś znalazłeś swoją drogę :-)

Jestem jednym z menedżerów społeczności. Tak jak ty, opuściłem swój kraj (Rumunia), ale nie dlatego, że czułem się beznadziejny. Za granicą były interesujące możliwości. Wielu ambitnych młodych ludzi odchodzi, nawet po dziś dzień, po prawie 30 latach demokracji.

Jestem ciekaw, czy zdecydowałeś się wyjechać i dlaczego?
Możesz spotkać @anon2402249429. Czy jego historia mogłaby być wersją twojego życia, gdybyś został?
https://edgeryders.eu/t/to-zmierza-w-zlym-kierunku/10362

PS: Jak dowiedziałeś się o Edgeryders?"
4,56897,2019-07-19T12:24:34.984Z,9726,0,22,21,2,0,0,29.4,56840,anon3593942245,anon1499035227,"@anon1499035227 , cześć, witamy na platformie! Ciekawa jestem, jak do nas dotarłeś - i więcej na temat Twojego aktywizmu, i życia w Polsce przed wyjazdem. Gdybyś zechciał napisac osobny post na ten temat, nagradzamy historie 200 eur - na zachętę. Bardzo bym też była ciekawa szerszego kontekstu Twojej rodziny. 

Znam Twoją sytuację aż za dobrze. Wyjechałam z Polski po raz pierwszy jako 21latka, i od tamtej pory rzadko bywałam w kraju. Wszystki ograniczenia, jakie anon1235093333łam w Lublinie, znikały w nowych okolicznościach - nie chodziło może nawet o to, czy kraj, w którym byłam, należał do wybitnie otwartych. Anonimowość i wolność, jaką dają ci takie wyjazdy, pozwalają na eksplorowanie granic, których nigdy nie przekroczyłabym w Polsce. Nawet w moich super progresywnych kręgach pewne rzeczy były za bardzo. Nie anon1235093333łabym okazji odkryć, kim naprawdę jestem, gdybym została w kraju. Zawsze się zastanawiam, co by było, gdybym ułożyła sobie życie w Polsce. Nie sądzę, że byłoby one tak fantastyczne, jak to, które ułożyłam sobie zdala z niej - czuję te granice od nowa kiedy wracam. Sprawdzam, czy jestem odpowiednio ubrana, czy szminka nie zbyt dziwna. I potem i tak trafiasz na wulgarne komentarze pijanych facetów. Nie rozumiem, skąd ta negatywna energia w tym kraju. Przydałaby się nam narodowa terapia, bo spotykamy się  z tym na tylu poziomach, że trudno wskazać jeden zdrowy element polskiej rzeczywistości..."
6,91706,2021-02-15T07:26:01.853Z,9726,0,1,0,1,0,0,5.2,52522,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,
1,56817,2019-07-17T13:50:26.193Z,10374,0,9,8,4,0,0,21.8,56817,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"Řekněme, že řešíte nějaký problém. Víte o problému, který dělá starosti lidem, ve Vaší blízkosti, na kterých Vám záleží. Už Vás nebaví řešit stále ty samé otázky spojené se zdravím, rodinou, zaměstnáním, Vaši komunitou, vírou apod. Nebo naopak, víte o něčem ve svém okolí, co Vám zvedne náladu a naplní Vás optimismem.

**Hledáme příběhy, které se zabývají některými z důležitých sociálních a politických výzev v České republice.** Vyprávějte nám svůj příběh. Připojte se k diskuzi, kde se potkáte s ostatními a společně si lépe porozumíme a naučíme se navzájem podporovat.

Wellbeing in Europe je projekt, v jehož rámci se výzkumníci, lidé, kteří vytvářejí komunity, a všichni zainteresovaní občané společně vydávají na cestu, aby pochopili, kam společnosti ve střední a východní Evropě směřují. Tento tým je odhodlán pomoci všem účastníkům, aby se v budoucnu zapojili do workshopů a zůstali ve vzájemném kontaktu. Jedná se o způsob, jak se učit lépe a hlouběji porozumět problémům za pomoci komunitě lidí z celé Evropy.
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* Symbolickou odměnu 200 EUR, pokud bude vybrán Váš příběh.

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### Jak se zúčastnit:

## Krok 1: Vyberte si téma, které Vás zajímá:

* [Podpora zdravotní a sociální péče](https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-ziskame-podporu-v-oblasti-zdravotni-a-socialni-pece/9872/)
* [Spiritualita a morální blaho](https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-muzeme-byt-moralne-a-psychologicky-v-poradku/9873/)
* [Práce a prosperita](https://edgeryders.eu/t/jak-se-dostaneme-k-praci-a-prosperite/9874/)

## Krok 2: Pošlete e-mail community@anon

Náš tým vás bude kontaktovat a provede Vás celým procesem.

## Kdo jsme?

Edgeryders je nezisková organizace existující v symbióze s online komunitou tisíců aktivistů, výzkumníků, inovátorů, radikálních myslitelů a normálních lidí, kteří chtějí něco změnit. Věříme, že inteligentní komunita předčí v součtu všechny své členy; je to výsledek spolupráce lidí, kteří se zdokonalují ve spolupráci s druhými.

*Blahobyt v Evropě*  (Wellbeing in Europe) je součástí výzkumného a inovačního projektu financovaného z programu Horizont 2020 pod oficiálním názvem POPREBEL. Projekt se zaměřuje na vysvětlení a kontextualizaci nedávného vzestupu populismu ve střední a východní Evropě (SVE). Výzkum se zabývá obsahem shromážděným prostřednictvím [http://edgeryders.eu ](http://edgeryders.eu/), který prochází on-line etnografickou analýzou a sémantickou analýzou sociálních sítí.

Projekt je financován Evropskou komisí na základě grantové dohody číslo 822682 z období 2019–2021. Dalšími partnery jsou University College London (UK), Univerzita Karlova, Jagellonská Univerzita (Polsko) a Univerzita v Bělehradě (Srbsko)."
2,56850,2019-07-18T09:15:20.877Z,10374,0,6,5,2,0,0,11.2,56817,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,
3,56891,2019-07-19T09:57:47.875Z,10374,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,56817,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"@anon3353600255 can you check the translation and make sure it's ok?

You will see that I proposed a different application system: via email; we then onboard people manually - help them create an account and post their stories.

If the Application process works for you, should we change it for the local connector too?"
4,57014,2019-07-23T11:15:55.700Z,10374,0,2,1,0,0,0,15.4,56891,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Hey, not sure, if you have seen my previous message, I have already edited the post before. The application process is reasonable - if the mediator will be able to do that a well (as that was the original idea if I am not mistaken), as for the call, it is fine as well"
1,56730,2019-07-15T13:48:46.525Z,10357,0,12,11,3,0,0,17.4,56730,anon1015882988,anon1015882988,"(Wypowiedź w dużych emocjach)
Eee lepiej nie mówić, szkoda gadać o Unii Europejskiej. Przecież Ci co tam pracują chcą tylko pognębić mniejsze kraje, Europę Wschodnią, a siebie uważają za lepszych. Dlaczego PiS? Przecież to jest oczywiste. PO jak było, to zamknęło kopalnie, zamknęło stocznie, wszystkoprzestało być potrzebne; handel niepotrzebny, przemysł niepotrzebny. To z czego państwo ma opłacać budżetówkę i inne sprawy? Nic im nie było ptrzebne, wszystko polikwidowali. W ostatnim roku władzy PO waloryzacja emerytury wyniosła cztery złote. A jak PO doszło do władzy, to zmieniło kwotę, którą otrzymywała rodzina za śmierć bliskiej osoby. Kiedyś to było sześć tysięcy, a oni obniżyli do czterech tysięcy. A ten Morawiecki teraz to ma taki łeb. Banki, drogi, lotnisko, przekop Mierzei Wiślanej, rybołówstwo. To wszystko nie takie proste. Najłatwiej sprzedać oddać, niech wezmą Niemcy. Całą prasę mają Niemcy, sklepy wszystkie, Lidle itd. Kto z tego korzysta? No przecież nie Polska. Nasi wszystkie banki oddali, a co my z tego mamy? Teraz związki partnerskie, edukacja seksualna w szkole. Czy to jest normalne? Wychowanie to nie znaczy, że trzeba wszystko mówić, wychowanie jest w rodzinie. Dziecko obserwuje rodziców i jeżeli jest wszystko dobrze, to nic więcej nie trzeba, żadnych zajęć. PiS uznaje i tradycje i religie, ale to nie znaczy, że jeśli nie jesteś religijny to jesteś zły. Tu jest dowolność, każdy sam decyduje.  Ważne, że jest się dobrym człowiekiem. Tradycja i religia były są i będą. 

Emerytka z Warszawy, 80+"
2,56738,2019-07-15T16:45:35.910Z,10357,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,56730,anon3593942245,anon1015882988,"Dzień dobry, Benia :) Mam mnóstwo pytań - gdybyś zechciała coś więcej powiedzieć o tym, co napisałaś, byłabym bardzo wdzięczna. 

Przede wszystkim ciekawa jestem, jak zanon1235093333na rządu w 2015 odbiła się na Twoim zyciu - czy poprawiły się warunki Twojego życia, jako emerytki? Mam wrażenie, że ceny w Polsce rosną bez przerwy i państwo robi się trochę nie do życia, mimo, że PiS zaczął wspierać rodziny. Ale nie wiem, bo w Polsce od jakiegoś czasu nie mieszkam. 

Zgadzam się też, że wprowadzanie zagranicznych firm i reformy, które trząsły polską gospodarką od 1990 roku anon1235093333ły dość dramatyczny wpływ na naszą sytuację gospodarczą. Ale nie wiem, czy lejący się beton to rozwiązanie tego problemu. 

Ciekawa też jestem, czy w polskich rodzinach dośc się mówi o życiu seksualnym i tym, jak być dobrym partnerem czy jak nie zajść w ciążę za szybko? Nie pamiętam takiej rozmowy w moim dzieciństwie, edukacja (przystosowanie do życia w rodzinie) w szkole też słabo o tym informowała. Wydaje mi się, że dostęp do profesjonalnej pomocy w tej kwestii nie jest zły - chcemy w końcu, żeby nasi młodzi edukowali się albo zaczynali kariery, mieli stabilne życie, zanim dojdzie do niechcianych ciąży. Albo żeby dziewczyny nauczyły sie, jak reagować na agresywne zachowania chłopaków - bo tych w Polsce nie brakuje. 

Mam jeszcze inne pytania, ale zacznijmy od tego :) Dziękuję za wypowiedź!"
1,56700,2019-07-15T08:46:50.505Z,10350,0,13,12,7,0,0,37.6,56700,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"![Edgeryders_KnowledgeTree__Sticker_Yellow|267x270](upload://8N5fCo1UulR9KpUWlGfsk6fnAVR.png) 

## Help us to build a network of active contributors who share personal experiences on our online platform! We are looking for a local connector to set up a community event in November 2019.

**Europe is not well.**  In several countries, as many as 2 out of 5 young people are unemployed. Despite improved standards of living, poverty continues to be our reality - for youth and elderly, those living in cities and those on the countryside.

The economic and political reality of the generations before us has significantly changed and continues to change.

We feel anxious and unstable, resulting in a rise of alternative spiritual movements to help people cope.

We struggle with access to good, affordable care. We can’t afford housing, and we can’t afford to start a family.

We need to talk about it.

**Wellbeing in Europe**  is a community effort where people from different countries meet and share ways to being well in this day and age.

We need your help to set up a community event in November 2019 in the Serbia, which is part of a series of events happening at the same time in Poland, Czechia and Germany.

You’ll organize, facilitate and attract participants from different socio-economic groups, educational levels, professions, ages to discuss matters important to their wellbeing and the state of their city, country, neighborhood, family.

In order to be successful, the event uses a methodology for online/ offline community building developed by Edgeryders: in short, connectors need to ensure that all the participants share stories on the project’s community forum and interact with each other through the comments before and after the event. This creates an authentic and constructive debate to lead to a wide community research analysis, and will help us build a long standing network across different European countries.

## Your tasks will be:

BEFORE THE EVENT:

* Engage 50 people from different backgrounds in your village, town, city, country to join the community on [http://edgeryders.eu](http://edgeryders.eu/), to share and post their stories on the community forum. The key topics for stories are: Healthcare and Social care services, Work and Prosperity, Spirituality and Morality.
* Host a series of Virtual Cafes - online gatherings where people from other parts of your country and from other countries can meet and discuss together what they have learned from the stories that have been posted on the online community forum. The Cafes are announced on Facebook/ Edgeryders and other relevant channels, and the notes are posted to the forum.
* Together with the people who you have brought into the online community and Virtual Cafes, produce the program for the local event.

DURING THE EVENT

* Ensure that the event is documented in writing and with video following the method and format you will learn by working with our international team.
* Collect all the documentation material in one place and structure it well so that it is easy for those who could not come in person to participate in the discussion.

AFTER THE EVENT:

* Engage the participants to share their experiences of the event on the online platform
* Write one article to summarise what happened, what was learned and your thoughts on the next steps, based on your experience.

## How to apply

1. Create an account on [edgeryders.eu](http://edgeryders.eu/)
2. Introduce yourself to the community by sharing a personal experience: [Add a New Topic here.](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/rs)
3. Leave a comment to [3 community stories](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/) which are interesting and relevant to you.

If this it too difficult, write us at community@anon
This is an ongoing call with no deadline. When we will find the right candidate to hire, we will announce it here in a comment and close this call. 

## Estimated work time and remuneration

The contract is from September 2019 - June 2020, with 5000 EUR remuneration based on your deliverables. We estimate up to 3 days of work needed every week, depending on your own rhythm.

## Who are we?

Edgeryders is a non-profit organisation living in symbiosis with an online community of thousands of activists, researchers, innovators, radical thinkers and doers, and just normal people that want to make a difference. We believe that a smart community outperforms any of its members; this is the result of people working together, improving on each other’s work.

Wellbeing in Europe is part of a Horizon 2020 funded Research and Innovation Action under the official name POPREBEL. The project focuses on explaining and contextualising the recent rise of populism in Central and Eastern Europe (CEE). The research considers content collected through [http://edgeryders.eu](http://edgeryders.eu/), subject to online ethnographic analysis and semantic social network analysis.

The project is funded by the European Commission under grant agreement number 822682 from 2019-2021. Other partners are University College London (UK), University Karlova, University Jagiellonski (Poland), University of Belgrade (Serbia).

## How we will select connectors

We are looking for someone who speaks both Serbian/ Croatian and basic English.

We will consider individuals who demonstrate an interest in Wellbeing in Europe; who are empathetic, curious and able to engage people from different walks of life in an authentic, constructive and respectful discussion about important topics.

Most important, the connector is willing to collaborate with an international team and use online tools such as video chats for communication, engagement, documentation of work.

## What happens if I am selected?

You will be working closely with the Edgeryders team to build the Wellbeing in Europe community conversation and the event series in your country.

What happens if I am not selected?

You could get a 200 Eur reward for the story that you have contributed as part of the application process. More information about this here: [http://bit.ly/2LbQvyD 6](http://bit.ly/2LbQvyD)

## For more information

[Join an Online Gathering](http://edgeryders.eu/t/register-for-an-online-gathering/9586) in English, each Wednesday at 18:00 Brussels time."
2,57128,2019-07-25T08:10:20.710Z,10350,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,56700,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,
3,57623,2019-08-06T08:48:22.784Z,10350,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,56700,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,
1,56474,2019-07-10T17:04:27.332Z,10327,0,15,14,2,0,0,73.0,56474,anon4062071924,anon4062071924,"@anon2446385507 @anon
Hey there, thanks for the first virtual cafe - because the F2F meeting in Prague will be in the same time of next virtual cafe (next Wed), what about to take laptop to the venue - maybe another new people will virtually join us next week... so it could be like Virtual cafe with few people sitting by the same table in person together. It is just an idea but I think and hope, that it could works... Thanks a lot once again, have a great days and I am looking forward to see you next time :)"
2,56678,2019-07-14T17:45:57.213Z,10327,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,56474,anon3593942245,anon4062071924,We can certainly give it  try! I will have my laptop with me anyway  ;) see you soon @anon4062071924
3,56696,2019-07-15T07:22:39.306Z,10327,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,56678,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Great idea @anon4062071924! The added value of that is that when people introduce themselves, community managers can take notes about who is who.

In order for the introductions to be good documentation, participants would be helped to create accounts on the platform - then they can copy-paste their introductions into new topics..  
Natalia knows how to do this well!"
1,53275,2019-05-09T11:34:14.986Z,9874,0,14,13,6,0,0,32.8,53275,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"_Rádi bychom se vás zeptali, jaká je situace člověka pracujícího v naší zemi?...A těch, kteří hledají práci bez úspěchu. Jaké jsou největší problémy trhu práce?_
_Myslíte si, že jsou jím příliš nízké minimální mzdy? Nebo možná špatně strukturované pracovní smlouvy?_
_Zaručují platy nabízené ve vaší zemi důstojný život?_
_Jak se hodnotí práce žen?_

Navzdory hospodářskému rozvoji a klesajícím sociálním rozdílům existuje v jednotlivých zemích mnoho rozdílů, pokud jde o nabízenou podporu pro uchazeče o zaměstnání a nezaměstnané.

Navzdory prudce rostoucím makroekonomickým číslům posledních let a nejnižší statistice nezaměstnanosti v celé EU český trh práce dosud nepřekonal některé ze svých hluboce zakořeněných problémů. 

Mezi nimi jsou nejmarkantnější regionální nerovnosti, které se od pádu komunistického režimu sledovaly stále stejný vzorec, zejména severozápad a severovýchod stále trpí nezaměstnaností
[dvakrát vyšší](https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/nezamestnanost-stoupla-na-3-3-podle-analytiku-zustane-nizka/1719194) než je celkový celostátní průměr (zatímco střední Čechy dosahují čísel sotva přes 1 %). Nerovné podmínky však se však neprojevují pouze ve smyslu nabídky a poptávky pracovních míst, ale také v různých pracovních podmínkách, mzdách a celkové kvalitě života v těchto oblastech.

Nerovnosti se nedělí pouze podle regionálních hranic,  nedávné statistiky ukázaly, že Česká republika patří mezi nejhorší evropské země, pokud jde o rozdíly mezi mzdami mužů a žen - [ty jsou v průměru o 22 % nižší](https://www.idnes.cz/ekonomika/zahranicni/eu-eurostat-nerovnost-zeny.A180307_165511_eko_euro_mato). Taková disproporce má vážné důsledky pro postavení žen obecně, a přesto se nezdá, že by byla hlavním politickým nebo společenským tématem.

Ačkoliv jsou obecné makroekonomické trendy vnímány pozitivně, čísla vyjadřující růst bohatství a prosperitau populace jako celku jsou velmi relativní v každodenním životě. Ačkoliv reálné mzdy rostou ve všech oblastech, zejména u nižších příjmových skupin tato pozitivní čísla nepředstavují výrazné zlepšení jejich života. Ve srovnání s tím, [že reálné mzdy vzrostly mezi lety 2007 a 2017 o 16 %](https://byznys.ihned.cz/c1-66158320-realna-mzda-v-cesku-vzrostla-nejvice-za-15-let-rust-krome-nedostatku-lidi-tahne-pridavani-ve-statni-sfere), vzrostly například [ceny bydlení mezi lety 2010 a 2019 téměř o 32 % a relativní výdaje Čechů na bydlení jsou nejvyšší ze všech zemí EU](https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/ekonomika/mapa-kolik-vydaju-vydaji-domacnosti-na-bydleni/r~286b49d65abb11e9b6a9ac1f6b220ee8/).

Nejhůře jsou těmito negativními trendy zasaženi právě lidé, jejichž mzdy rostou nejpomaleji - jak ukazuje statistika, lidé s nízkým nebo nižším středním příjmem.
Víte o nějakých řešeních, která se lidé ve vašem okolí rozhodli využít? Trápí vás tyto otázky?

Pro tuto potřebu jsme vytvořili zvláštní fórum, kde můžeme bezpečně hovořit o důležitých tématech. Vyhneme se zde konfliktům a urážkám, poskytneme všem účastníkům vhodné podmínky k vyjádření jejich vlastních názorů a pocitů. Bez odsuzování a vnucování našich myšlenek jeden druhému.

Díky vám pochopíme, jaké jsou životní zkušenosti Poláků, Srbů, Čechů, Maďarů a každého, kdo k tomu má co říct. Zveme vás k účasti na této diskuzi. 
1) Podělte se o své osobní zkušenosti v novém tématu, zde: https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz
2) Vítejte u nás na poklidném virtuálním chatu, kde se seznámíte s dalšími účastníky a dozvíte se více o této iniciativě zde: http://bit.ly/2P9pkms

Těšíme se na setkání s vámi,
anon4110936133, Jiří, John, Maja, Maria, Natalia, anon2649858692mi"
2,55893,2019-06-29T18:06:37.672Z,9874,2,10,9,1,0,0,32.0,53275,anon4062071924,anon3353600255,"Myslím si, že pětinová nerovnost v platech dle genderu odráží to, jak v ČR na gender jako takový nahlížíme - i mezi inteligentními lidmi slýchám, že unijní nařízení, snažící se nerovnost vybalancovat, jsou tendence k politické korektnosti (která je bohužel u nás vnímaná jako něco od podstaty špatného). Taky mám rád náš zdejší myšlenkový punk, ovšem jsem přesvědčen, že každá další etablovaná korektnost posouvá naši zem vpřed, čímž myslím na západ. #EUkeepgoing!"
3,55896,2019-06-29T18:30:18.518Z,9874,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,55893,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"Ja bych možná i šel tak daleko, že bych ji na západ neposouval:) bylo by prostě super, kdyby jsme si mohli říct, že věci u nás fungují stejně dobře nalevo i napravo. A s kvalitou potravin je přesně první krok kupředu:)"
4,55928,2019-07-01T09:34:30.005Z,9874,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,55893,anon2446385507,anon4062071924,"Hm.. Považuje se podle vás rovnost pohlaví za pankáčský nápad?
Nebo které další punkové nápady máte na mysli?"
5,55936,2019-07-01T10:34:31.128Z,9874,1,8,7,1,0,0,41.6,55928,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Myšlenkovým punkem byla podle mě míněna právě taková určitá česká polovičatost, vymýšlení si různých důvodů proč věci ""nejdou"", mezi nimi i ignorace právě treba uplatňování genderových stereotypů."
6,56143,2019-07-04T09:51:10.915Z,9874,1,8,7,1,0,0,11.6,55936,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"I stand corrected, I wasn't understanding. Thanks for clarifying!

@anon4062071924 I am still interested to see which politically correct ideas you think are good and which do you see that are used to serve perverted agendas? Can you give us an example?

In my country, calling gipsies 'Roma' people in the public discourse did nothing to change their situation. It is like a fake sign of respect, but it is not backed by political agendas to tackle deeper problems this population has. 

(sorry about English, please reply in Czech, it's much better)"
7,56435,2019-07-09T18:36:37.719Z,9874,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,56143,anon4062071924,anon2446385507,"Jako největší přínos politické korektnosti považuju fakt, že se snaží neposilovat klišé a stereotypy ve veřejné debatě (které odvádějí pozornost od věcnosti). Tím do ní přinášejí slušnost, čímž ji dělají efektivnější při hledání řešení problémů. Myslím si, že jako funkční a fungující příklad politické korektnosti můžeme uvést poměrně liberální přístup k hnutí LGBT, jehož členové již (naštěstí!) nejsou většinovou společností marginalizováni, jako dřív… 
Doufám, že to, že se ve veřejném diskursu používá korektního ozačení „Rom“, je začátek, který povede ve finále ke zlepšení jejich situace – vždyť v Americe vedla politická koreknost až k tomu, že se příslušník dříve diskriminované menšiny stal prezidentem!"
1,56206,2019-07-05T08:23:41.727Z,10297,0,10,9,10,0,0,67.0,56206,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"<image here> 
 

Nejste jediný, kdo má plné zuby zkorumpovaných politiků a bohatých, kteří dále bohatnou. Seznamte se s ostatními ve vašem okolí, kteří bojují s důsledky našich nefunkčních politických a ekonomických systémů: bující nezaměstnaností, kolabujícím systémem zdravotní péče a chybějící pomocí.

Připojte se k nám v pondělí 15. července v Brně, abyste si poslechli, s čím se potýkali ostatní, a podělili se o to, čím jste si prošli vy. Podívejme se na to, jak společnými silami věci změnit.

Proč to děláme: Blahobyt v Evropě je komunitním projektem, v němž se lidé z různých zemí setkávají a sdílejí způsoby, jak zísanon3213561856 lepší zdravotní péči, více pracovních příležitostí, více morální podpory a tipy k tomu, aby se ve svém životě cítili dobře.

Kdo jsme: síť 5000 jednotlivců a organizací pracujících na řešení sociálních, hospodářských, environmentálních a politických problémů ve více než 80 zemích.

FB Event: https://www.facebook.com/events/2321397521417308/"
2,56418,2019-07-09T15:07:31.108Z,10297,1,6,5,1,0,0,11.2,56206,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"@anon3353600255, do you think we can plan an alternative story hunt in case nobody shows up in Brno? :) I'd say we make sure we have a recorder/space on our phones and we go out and ask people questions, worst case scenario."
3,56453,2019-07-10T11:51:16.538Z,10297,0,5,4,3,0,0,16.0,56418,anon3353600255,anon3593942245,"I think we can:), nevertheless wanted to ask how's the schedule for your trip? Are you travelling through Prague? I will go by car, so we could go together and make a more specific plan on the way.."
1,55988,2019-07-01T16:49:28.375Z,10277,0,15,14,13,0,0,98.0,55988,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Cześć!

No więc w tamtym tygodniu z radością zamknęłam długi proces rekrutowania naszych superbohaterów polskiej działki Wellbeing, umówiłam się na rozmowę z Asią i Mikołajem i teraz chciałabym wam ich przedstawić:

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Aśka jest aktywistką z Lublina, która niedawno przeprowadziła się do Warszawy - pracuje teraz dla Kongresu Kobiet i jednym z elementów jej pracy są wizyty w różnych częściach Mazowsza i spotkania z kobietami-aktywistkami (popraw mnie, jeśli gadam od rzeczy @anon1812918160). Jest też weteranką kulturalnej sceny w Lublinie, z dziesiątkami zorganizowanych wydarzeń - koncertów, festiwali, spotkań. ""Demakijaż"", czyli jedyny feministyczy festiwal filmowy w Polsce, to jeden z jej ważniejszych pomysłów i z sukcesem rosnących projektów. Prywatnie koneserka muzyki, znawczyni punka, czyta książki o straight edge. Fajna geekówka :) 

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Mikołaj aka @anon2693311786 jest z kolei tatą i narzeczonym (może nie od tego powinnam zaczynać), który studiuje i pasonuje się psychologią procesu - temat kompletnie mi wcześniej nieznany, dopóki nie pojawił się na mojej mapie Mikołaj :) Lubi też Berlin, mój obecny dom, gdzie mieszkał wcześniej kilka lat - czasamy gadamy o dzielnicach i ulicach, które szczególnie lubimy. Odkrył w sobie po latach migracji miłość do Polski, i stacjonuje teraz w Warszawie z rodziną. Szczególnie zainteresowało mnie jego systemowe podejście do patrzenia na społeczeństwo, które świetnie wpisuje się w naszą retorykę w ramach Wellbeing: jednosktowe problemy są raczej symptomami bardziej skomplikowanych procesów i tendencji, i trzeba im się przyjrzeć, żeby móc je zdiagnozować i wyleczyć. Liczę na to, że uda mi się od niego nauczyć conieco o tej nowej mi dyscyplinie.


**Co planujemy w najbliższych miesiącach?** 

1. Zorganizować cykl ciekawych wirutalnych kawiarenek - zaplanujemy kilka ciekawych tematów, które miejmy nadzieję przyciągną różnorodną publiczność. Proponowałabym wrzucić w komentarzach kilka pomysłów na pytania, pod którymi możemy je reklamować, np. Czy boisz się wysyłać swoje dzieci na lekcje anon3213561856echezy? Jak dbamy o starszych w XXI wieku? etc

2. Mikołaj i Asia mają swoje strategie szukania rozmówców: zaproszenia na kawy, wystawianie stolików przy większych wydarzeniach i nagrywanie rozmów, rozpoznawanie wśród znajomych i rodzin, kto jak głosuje... 

3. Zorganizujemy wydarzenie, którego data i miejsce są do ustalenia. Bardzo mi sie podoba pomysł @anon2693311786, który chce, żebyśmy wystawili stolik w Wawie na 1 sierpnia (rocznica powstania warszawskiego) i na nim zbierać głosy, a ostatni event ustawić na 11 listopada - czyli jeden z najintensywniejszych dni w Polsce, święto niedpodległości, które może w sumie skorzystałoby z obecności jakiegoś nowego forum, obok gigantycznych patriotycznych przemarszy. 

No i będą też z nami dyskutowali na platformie o życiu w Polsce, na co czekam z niecierpliwością.

Witamy was oboje w drużynie!"
2,56032,2019-07-02T07:07:48.594Z,10277,0,13,12,2,0,0,12.6,55988,anon3589994963,anon3593942245,"Świetnie cię poznać, @anon
Jestem częścią zespołu zajmującego się komunikacją dla Edgeryders - i wspaniale będzie rzucić światło na znalezione historie."
3,56049,2019-07-02T08:47:50.795Z,10277,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,55988,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Cześć, bardzo się cieszę, że mamy więcej członków zespołu :-)
Teraz, gdy wiesz więcej o swojej pracy, celach i celach tego projektu POPREBEL, jakiej pomocy potrzebujecie od reszty z nas? Czy możemy wam pomóc w poszukiwaniu ludzi i historii?

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Hi you two, I'm very happy that we have more team members :-)
Now that you know more about your work, objectives, and the goals of this POPREBEL project, what do you think you would need help with, from the rest of us? Can we support you in the search for people and stories?"
4,56153,2019-07-04T13:31:24.855Z,10277,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,55988,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej rebelsi! czy możecie rzucić okiem na ten post i dać znać, co z kawiarenkami, i może powiedzieć anon2649858692mi, co możemy więcej dla was zrobić?  @anon2693311786 @anon1812918160"
5,56255,2019-07-06T16:45:22.665Z,10277,2,12,11,1,0,0,47.4,55988,anon1812918160,anon3593942245,"Hej! 
Bardzo miło Was wszystkich poznać, bardzo się cieszę za możliwość dołączenia do zespołu i dzięki za wsparcie! 
Natalia, coż za wnikliwy opis mnie, wszystko się zgadza! Nieźle, że wypatrzyłaś książkę o Straight Edge na mojej półce. Jedna mała poprawka - projekt dla kobiet, który koordynuje odbywa się w województwie łódzkim, a nie na Mazowszu :) . 
Jeśli chodzi o wsparcie: tak jak napisała Natalia jestem nowa w Warszawie, mam tu pracę stacjonarną w niepełnym wyanon1235093333rze godzin i trochę mniej znajomych niż w Lublinie. Jeśli ktoś z Was ma dostęp do grup lub osób, z którymi warto byłoby przeprowadzić wywiady w Warszawie będę bardzo wdzięczna za kontakt. Myślę, że gdy znajdę punkt zaczepienia wszystko po prostu się rozpędzi. W Lublinie mam już zaplanowanych kilka spotkań, niestety praca stacjonarna w Warszawie nie pozwala mi na ciągłe wyjazdy i zaplanowane spotkania będą musiały poczekać do początku sierpnia, a nie chcę czekać z założonymi rękami :) .
Za mną już pierwsza rozmowa w Warszawie - historia zostanie dodana niebawem. 
Pomysł kawiarenek bardzo mi się podoba. Myślę, że możemy dodać kilka pytań o migrację np. ""Co myślisz o migracji Ukrainek i Ukraińców do Polski"" (nie musimy się ograniczać jedynie do tej grupy narodowej, ale jest ona najliczniejsza i wywołuje najwięcej emocji) albo o edukację seksualną w Polsce - nie wiem czy takie tematy nadadzą się do dyskusji, ale z mojej perspektywy są ciekawe i szeroko omawiane. 

Jeszcze raz dzięki za przyjęcie do zespołu!"
6,56295,2019-07-08T06:43:33.817Z,10277,0,12,11,2,0,0,27.4,56255,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"W rzeczywistości edukacja seksualna była najbardziej interesującym tematem, który promowaliśmy w mediach społecznościowych. Podobała nam się historia @anon2734079508.  Czy to przeczytałeś?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/dlaczego-zostalam-eduanon3213561856orka-seksualna/9857

W przypadku kawiarni wirtualnych byłoby wspaniale, gdybyś znalazł perspektywę otwartą dla różnych rodzajów uczestników.

Daj mi znać, jeśli mogę pomóc. Prowadzimy cotygodniowe rozmowy drużynowe w każdą środę o 18:00. Byłaby to dla nas dobra okazja do wspólnego zaplanowania serii kawiarni, więc zapraszamy do przyłączenia się.

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Indeed, sex education was the most engaging topic we promoted on social media. We liked the story of P. Did you read it?
For Virtual Cafes, it would be great if you can find a perspective that is open to different kinds of contributions.
Let me know if I can help. We are having weekly team calls every Wednesday at 18:00. It would be a good opportunity for us to plan together the Cafes series, so you're welcome to join."
7,56323,2019-07-08T11:25:11.943Z,10277,0,12,11,1,0,0,22.4,55988,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Witajcie Kochani!

Siedzę właśnie w pociągu powrotnym do Warszawy i organizuje sobie tydzień . Wybaczcie, że piszę dopiero teraz, ale z reguły wolno się rozkręcam (jak Unia Europejska ;) Jestem szczęśliwy , ze do Was dolaczam, bo uwielbiam mierzyc sie z wyzwaniami w doborowym towarzystwie. Czuje, ze to nie bedzie nasza jedyna wspólna przygoda. Niczym aktor wcielam sie w role i historie swoich bohaterow/rozmówców i przyznam szczerze zaczynam czuć ich motywy wyborcze.To mnie fascynuje: chcemy w większości tego samego, ale dążymy dotego różnymi drogami. W ramach listopadowego event marzy mi sie otwarte formu- jedno z narzędzi psychologii procesu do pracy ze zwaśnionymi grupami... Gdybyscie mnie szukali to jestem w terenie ;) 
Uściski 
Mikolaj"
8,56324,2019-07-08T11:34:37.029Z,10277,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,56255,anon2693311786,anon1812918160,"Hej Asia, temat imigracji Ukraińców to doskonały pomysl na temat dyskusji. Chetnie wezme udzial."
1,52480,2019-04-11T07:40:27.927Z,9719,0,61,60,369,0,0,1981.2,52480,anon781457888,anon781457888,"_UPDATE: This call is outdated. Deadline was 14th of JUNE, we recruited [2 Polish local connectors](https://edgeryders.eu/t/poznajcie-polski-zespol-poprebelsow/10277), and we are still looking for the other languages. For latest info, follow the recent Topics in Wellbeing in Europe._

## What

Wellbeing in Europe is a global community, project and event about how each and every citizen in Europe is finding ways to be healthy and prosper.

Help us to build, and activate a network of active contributors to our online platform for the research project we are running in (Poland/Czech Republic/Serbia). The collaborator will organize and drive participation in an event in their city, during which participants will discuss matters important to their wellbeing and the state of their city, country, neighborhood, family, themselves. The tasks related to the event are the following:

1. Convene circa 40-50 participants in the event (they do not have to be the same as the ones who will tell you stories in the months before)
2. Ensure participation of individuals from different socio-economic groups, educational levels, professions, ages, geographic locations
3. Ensure each participant submit their personal stories containing thoughtful responses after the events.

The Measure of success for each event:

1. Convene 40-50 participants per event
2. Secure minimum. 1 first-hand story, and 3 comments per participant and ensure participants create their article and start participating on the platform within one week of the event ending.
3. Write texts for invitations to the events
4. Collaborate with the social media manager to do online promotion of the physical event.
5. Follow the process defined by the Outreach Director for regular dissemination of participant-submitted stories and discussions happening on the platform.
6. Participate in the online discussions on the online form, starting by sharing their own answers to the questions, and reading and commenting on what others write.

**We invite you to set up a local event in your town that will take place in November 2019**. This event is part of a global festival that brings together the members of Edgeryders, a network of 5000 individuals and organizations who do inspiring work to tack social, economic, environmental and political problems in over 80 countries. 

## Connectors take a set of actions as detailed below:

**BEFORE THE EVENT:**

* **Participate in a Local Connectors training in Brussels in June/July 2019** where you will meet the rest of the team. You will work and learn with people from Serbia, Czech Republic, Sweden, Romania, Iceland, Germany, Italy and beyond. **The cost of your travel and accommodations will be covered by us**.

* Host a series of Virtual Cafes calls in your own language where more people from other parts of your country and from abroad can meet and discuss together what they have learned from the stories that have been posted on the online community forum. 

* Engage 50 people from different backgrounds in your village, town, city, country to share their stories around these three topics and help them to post these stories on the online community forum: Healthcare and Social care services, Work and Prosperity, Spirituality and Moral Wellbeing. 
* Together with the people who you have brought into the online community and virtual cafes, produce the program for the local event in the festival. 

**DURING THE EVENT**
* Ensure that the event is documented in writing and with video following the method and format we will teach you at the training in June/July. 
* Make sure you collect all the documentation material in one place and structure it well so that it is easy for those who could not come in person still can participate in the discussion.

**AFTER THE EVENT:**
* Engage the participants to share their experiences of the event on the online platform
* Write one article to summarise what happened,  what was learned and your own thoughts on the next steps based on your experience during the fellowship.

## How to apply

1. Create an account on edgeryders.eu
2.  Introduce yourself to the community by writing a post about yourself in [[the Wellbeing category]](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing)(https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing) (you can do it in English, Polish, Czech or Serbian) = ADD A NEW TOPIC :) 
3. Pick _one_ of our thematic topics, click on it and follow the instructions you find there: [Health and social care services](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-do-we-get-health-and-social-care-support/9665), [Work and Prosperity](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-do-we-access-work-and-prosperity/9664) or [Spirituality and Moral wellbeing](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-can-we-be-morally-and-psychologically-well/9666). 
4. Then find one other person, ideally someone who is not used to using internet forums. Interview them so that you get ""deeper"" answers to the same questions you answered. Make sure to record or transcribe the interview.
5.  Help them to produce a good article presenting what they said during your interview with them. A good way to do this is to give them the transcript of the conversation so that they can edit it till they are happy with its contents._
6. Guide them through the process of creating an account and posting their article in the right place.and have the interviewee post it [here](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing). 
7. Leave a comment on their article, sharing your own thoughts on the conversation you had so that we know you were the one who brought in the new person.

Deadline: 14th of June 2019, midnight CET

## How we will select connectors
**We are looking for 3 people who speak one or more of these three languages: Polish, Serbian, Croatian or Czech.** _It is easier for us if you also speak some English._

**We will consider individuals who demonstrate an interest in Wellbeing in Europe and alignment with our intentions in the following ways** (each item will receive a score from 0 the minimum, to 5 the maximum, which will be summed to define the final score used to choose the winners):

* are registered on [edgeryders.eu ](http://edgeryders.eu/) and have introduced themselves in the [Wellbeing in Europe online community forum](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing).

* are empathetic, curious and able to engage people from different walks of life in an authentic, constructive and respectful discussion about important topics. 

* demonstrate a willingness to collaborate with others and use online tools such as video chats for communication, engagement, documentation of work.

* Live in either Poland, The Czech Republic or Serbia.

## What happens if I am selected?

You will be working closely with the Edgeryders team to build the Wellbeing in Europe community conversation and together with its members, put together the program for this year's edition of the annual Edgeryders Festival which gathers our global community. These festivals are much appreciated and we think you will find this experience rewarding and enjoyable.

## What happens if I am not selected?
You could get a 200 Eur reward for the article that you have contributed as part of the application process. More information about this here: http://bit.ly/2LbQvyD


## For more information
[Come to an Online Gathering](http://edgeryders.eu/t/register-for-an-online-gathering/9586) in your country's language or (if not available) in English. 

## Additional:

**The event follows a specific methodology** that we have designed to generate opportunities for learning, skill development and paid work both for the organisers as well as the participants.  Each event involves a preparatory phase in which people from diverse backgrounds share and discuss their experiences on our online forum.  

**We use this methodology for two reasons.** 
1. In a polarised social and political environment, the dialogue is seldom happening between people who have different perspectives. We feel it is important to overcome these barriers.

2. The second is to ensure that our findings from the academic research project which is financing this fellowship program is based on the lived reality and perspectives of people from many different walks of life. 

**What does the local connector do?**

Local Connectors are the highly active members that put our mission into action day by day: building a pan European movement of citizens who share ways to be healthy and prosper in Europe. They are community leaders who engage other people to join Wellbeing in Europe. They participate in the co-creation of the Festival and take part in decision-making processes. Local connectors mostly engage on one or several of the following:

* **Organise a local event as part of a global festival :** host a number of online virtual cafes and one physical event to reach new people who will become participants in the conversation.

* **Actively mobilize their network and local community** (in a city, region or country) to come to the virtual cafes and the physical event in order to involve them in sharing their stories with peers in different parts of the country and Europe.

* **Provide documentation:** ensure sessions and discussions are thoroughly reported back on the platform and feed into the global conversation

## Why

**Europe is not well.** 

**Current data on demographics shows that every year we are 1 million more, we live longer, but the years added to our lifespan are not healthy years.** All of Europe&rsquo;s unemployment rates are on the rise since 2008, but nowadays as many as 2 out of 5 young people are unemployed in some countries. 

Being university trained is no longer seen as competitive, manual professions and crafts are looked down upon, physical labor is brought down to minimum wage or the grey economy. 

At the same time, the digital economy is growing 7 times as fast as the rest of the economy, but education and skills reconversion are lagging. Who is going to keep up the fight, when our kids are asking what is the point of an education if our planet has no future? 

**Environmental disasters, terrorist attacks, the breakdown of solidarity and social cohesion…** are just some of the contours of a long-term social crisis, of which we all are protagonists. The big contradiction is: how come entire populations are not able to benefit from humanity&rsquo;s progress and live in stability and prosperity?

Edgeryders is a company living in symbiosis with an online community of thousands of hackers, activists, radical thinkers and doers, and just normal people that want to make a difference. We believe that a smart community outperforms any of its members; this is the result of people working together, improving on each other’s work.

**We want to come together and help one another** find the right ways to navigate the changes that are happening in different parts of the world.

* **How can we build good lives against a backdrop of massive social, economic, political challenges?**

* **How can we create opportunities for ourselves and where can we support one another better?** In work, health, family, community life.

* **How can we build the evolution of the Internet and our technologies so that they support these efforts?**

**We believe there are alternatives, but they are hidden and not central enough to be able to propel change on a massive scale.**

In response, we are building a global Festival to share and collect snapshots of solutions which are being tried at the very level of our everyday lives, and use smart social networks to accelerate the spread reliable information and tested approaches.

**Good for you:** You join a pan European movement of researchers, citizen experts, funders etc. Individuals and organizations who are building a new narrative about where we are going and how problems can be solved at the local, and European level. By growing your network, you can access opportunities for your personal and professional development.

**Good for everyone:** We learn who others are, what they are doing to solve problems, and how we can support one another more effectively. By putting together the different perspectives of people from different walks of like and parts of Europe in the same conversation, we can see the bigger picture. By putting together the lived experiences ""on the ground"" of different people, we can and identify credible strategies and contributions make an impact on messy problems that impact everyone and that no one can solve by themselves."
2,53139,2019-05-06T13:54:02.929Z,9719,1,18,17,2,0,0,63.6,52480,anon1775928863,anon781457888,"There is dire need to put theater back to people, in front of small markets and restaurants in rural areas, They are rapidly disappearing and we wont to stop that by cultural initiatives. A team of professional theater performers from Kosovo will interact with local audiences (unaware that they are part of the play) in life like situations. The performances will happen in 17 villages of Sopot municipality, Šumadija region, Serbia, Balkans. Will this do?"
3,53151,2019-05-06T16:24:12.778Z,9719,1,17,16,1,0,0,13.4,53139,anon2446385507,anon1775928863,"Hei @anon1775928863, while many would agree with your diagnosis of what doesnt work, the more interesting part of the conversation is how are the local dynamics wrt theatre and perceptions of culture. Is there a story you shared or can share which puts you on track for this position? 

Are the performances happening or are you proposing them? The event by local connectors would be a Wellbeing in Europe project event, where connectors have the opportunity to set the topics, but ultimately they are committing to draw in more contributors to this conversation. 
Maybe the call above is not clear..? Let us know, any feedback is welcome."
4,53155,2019-05-06T17:52:34.795Z,9719,1,17,16,1,0,0,58.4,53151,anon1775928863,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi, I will hopefully put clear picture by tomorrow when I talk to the director of the play. At this stage I am just proposing performanses, while the whole set is ready, the actors and the play. I think the call is clear, it is just me who is not sure how to get involved."
5,53174,2019-05-07T09:46:10.484Z,9719,1,16,15,1,0,0,13.2,53155,anon2446385507,anon1775928863,"We cannot finance performances per se. The possibility would be that they follow an event which is more conversation based - to help bring in more participants in Wellbeing in Europe- think workshops, or work sessions with clear outcomes. If you would enjoy that, then follow the steps above in How to Apply,"
6,53199,2019-05-07T15:00:29.000Z,9719,0,18,17,1,0,0,8.6,53174,anon1775928863,anon2446385507,"Thanks!

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<img src='/uploads/default/original/2X/5/52e3d8429dc9df354e80745a95a85b3abf8eb09e.jpeg' width='20' height='20'>"
7,56316,2019-07-08T10:24:04.823Z,9719,0,9,8,2,0,0,11.8,52480,anon2446385507,anon781457888,"UPDATE: This call is outdated. Deadline was 14th of JUNE, we recruited [2 Polish local connectors](https://edgeryders.eu/t/poznajcie-polski-zespol-poprebelsow/10277), and we are still looking for the other languages. For latest info, follow the recent Topics in Wellbeing in Europe."
1,54312,2019-05-31T12:23:53.623Z,10046,0,14,13,33,0,0,257.8,54312,anon1812918160,anon1812918160,"Cześć! 
Przedstawiłam się już pokrótce w komentarzu pod postem Natalii, ale tak naprawdę w moim poście brak informacji o czymś, co w bardzo dużej mierze wpłynęło na moją tożsamość i życie. Dzisiaj chciałabym opowiedzieć Wam historię mojej choroby, z którą żyję już od ponad 6 lat. Tak naprawdę nie jest to jednak tylko historia mojej choroby, a historia funkcjonowania opieki zdrowotnej w Polsce.
Wszystko zaczęło się w lutym 2013 roku, anon1235093333łam wówczas niecałe 25 lat. Przez kilka dni czułam nieustanne mrowienie w prawej ręce. Zapisałam się nawet do neurologa, ale termin oczekiwania był długi (ponad miesiąc), a objawy ustąpiły tak szybko, że zrezygnowałam z wizyty i szybko zapomniałam o całej sytuacji. 

Niestety po 3 miesiącach mrowienia i drętwienia powtórzyły się: tym razem ciężko było to po prostu zignorować - przestałam czuć swoje ciało ""normalnie"" od pasa w dół. Znowu zapisałam się do neurologa, tym razem byłam na tyle przerażona, że skorzystałam z możliwości zapisania się na konsultację ""po znajomości"" w trybie pilnym. Neurolog po badaniu stwierdził, że są to najprawdopodobniej problemy z kręgosłupem i zlecił rezonans magnetyczny dwóch odcinków kręgosłupa w trybie pilnym. Na refundowane badanie rezonansem w trybie pilnym czeka się około 3 miesięcy. Wykonanie badania prywatnie to koszt ok. 1000 zł, a jednocześnie bycie poza wszystkimi procedurami NFZ. W praktyce oznacza to, że jeśli wynik takiego badania wyjdzie nieprawidłowy to pacjent ma za zadanie sam pokierować swoją dalszą ścieżką leczenia - oczywiście prywatnie. Postanowiłam poczekać. 
Mój stan pogarszał się, a termin badania nadal był odległy i w końcu trafiłam na szpitalny oddział ratunkowy wojewódzkiego szpitala w moim mieście. Po wstępnym badaniu neurologicznym nie stwierdzono nieprawidłowości, ale od lekarki usłyszałam: ""U takich młodych osób boimy się zawsze stwardnienia rozsianego, ale proszę się nie martwić, to raczej nie to. Zostawimy panią w szpitalu i zrobimy wszystkie niezbędne badania diagnostyczne."" 

W szpitalu spędziłam ponad dwa tygodnie - stwardnienie rozsiane (SM) nie jest łatwą w diagnozowaniu chorobą, objawy początkowe są niespecyficzne i często mylone z innymi jednostkami chorobowymi. Pierwsze badania nie potwierdzały podejrzeń SM - lekarze i pielęgniarki często przychodzili do mnie, pocieszali, mówili, że wszystko będzie ok, że kolejne badania są prawidłowe. Czułam, że SM to coś strasznego, najgorszego na świecie, sugerowało to zachowanie personelu medycznego, informacje, których zaczęłam wyszukiwać w internecie, no i moje samopoczucie. 
Miałam już zbadany rezonansem cały kręgosłup, przyszedł czas na mózg. Obraz kliniczny odpowiadał postawieniu diagnozy SM. Zdecydowano się na inwazyjne badanie tzn. punkcje mózgowo-rdzeniową, która anon1235093333ła ostatecznie potwierdzić lub wykluczyć SM. 

Badania potwierdziły przypuszczenie SM. Lekarze pielęgniarki i cały personel przestał ze mną rozmawiać. Nikt nie powiedział mi nic o mojej chorobie, anon1235093333łam wrażenie, że diagnoza jest tak straszna, że nie są w stanie spojrzeć mi w oczy. Mój stan fizyczny nadal się nie poprawiał, ale nie był bardzo ciężki - teraz już wiem, że objawy początkowe mojej choroby anon1235093333ły stosunkowo łagodny charakter. Po kilku dniach od postawienia diagnozy.... zostałam wypisana ze domu. Lekarka prowadząca wręczyła mojej mamie kartę wypisu ze szpitala ze słowami ""Przykro mi"". Przez cały czas pobytu w szpitalu nie anon1235093333łam okazji porozmawiać z neurologiem czy psychologiem o swoim stanie, rokowaniach, możliwościach leczenia. Zostałam po prostu wypisana do domu ""po nieznacznej poprawie"" (cytat z karty informacyjnej), co było oczywistym kłamstwem, bo mój stan fizyczny nie uległ zianie, natoanon1235093333st psychicznie byłam zrujnowana. Podobnie jak cała moja rodzina.

Dzisiaj mogę powiedzieć, że uratowało mnie tylko to, że urodziłam się w dość uprzywilejowanej rodzinie - wykształcona klasa średnia w ośrodku miejskim. Mój ojciec pobieżnie znał środowisko lekarskie i w desperacji zdecydował się prosić o pomoc w moim przypadku - oczywiście ""po znajomości"" i prywatnie, chociaż tak naprawdę leczenie prywatne w przypadku SM nie ma żadnego sensu - koszty miesięcznej terapii sięgają nawet 5tys. PLN miesięcznie i nawet mojej ""uprzywilejowanej rodziny"" nie byłoby na nią stać. W ten sposób trafiłam pod opiekę świetnej lekarki, która opowiedziała mi więcej o chorobie, po kilku wizytach prywatnych skierowała mnie na swój oddział w szpitalu i wpisała do kolejki na program lekowy (pacjenci z SM w kolejce do programu lekowego czekają ok. roku).

**Minęło 6 lat, żyję, mam się dobrze, leczę się, jestem sprawna, aktywna i zadowolona z terapii.** 

Po co piszę tę historię?

Bo wciąż nie mogę pogodzić się z niesprawiedliwością i z tym, że brakuje tak niewiele, a jednocześnie tak dużo, aby system opieki nad osobami z SM w Polsce był przyjazny i dostępny. Pod względem medycznym pacjenci w Polsce mają dostęp do najnowocześniejszych terapii, takich samych jak w najbardziej rozwiniętych krajach świata: Niemczech, Kanadzie czy Australii. Mimo wszystko większość pacjentów z SM nie korzysta z terapii. Dlaczego? Dlaczego lekarze nie potrafią rozmawiać z pacjentem o chorobie? Dlaczego brak wsparcia psychologicznego? Pomocy w zrozumieniu swojej własnej choroby? Co mają robić osoby, których nie stać nawet na jedną czy dwie prywatne wizyty (koszt wizyty to ok. 250PLN) u specjalisty, który przekieruje ich do poradni przy szpitalu? Co mają zrobić osoby z mniejszych ośrodków lub takie, które nie mają w bliższym lub dalszym środowisku znajomych lekarzy? Osoby, które nie korzystają sprawnie z internetu? Dzisiaj czuję się zaopiekowana, ale w całej historii o SM nie chodzi przecież o mnie. Osoby z nowo zdiagnozowanym SM przechodzą załamania nerwowe i ciężkie depresje. Wiem, bo w trakcie mojej choroby poznałam kilka osób, które jako bardziej doświadczona eSeMka starałam się wesprzeć i pokierować najlepiej jak tylko potrafiłam.

Tylko czy to naprawdę zadanie pacjentów, aby wspierać siebie nawzajem?"
2,55262,2019-06-17T08:07:04.623Z,10046,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,54312,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"Cześć Aska, chcę tylko powiedzieć, że twoja historia jest potężna. Cieszę się, że czujesz się lepiej i znalazłaś rozwiązanie, ale zastanawiam się nad resztą pacjentów: jak sobie radzą? czy istnieją grupy wsparcia i fora, na których rozmawiają ze sobą, udostępniają informacje?

Kolejne pytanie brzmi: to forum jest publiczne i chcielibyśmy, aby inni poznali Twoją historię - czy są jakieś pytania czy zadania, na które sama chciałabyś uzyskać odpowiedź?"
3,55359,2019-06-18T11:14:27.179Z,10046,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,55262,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"Zawsze powala mnie historia @anon1812918160 - wiem też, że dziewczyna przeczytała cały internet w tym temacie, i to w kilku językach (zna ich parę), i w sumie też się zastanawiam, gdzie się SMy spotykają? Macie jakaś grupę facebookową? albo coroczne kongresy? 

Mnie najbardziej przerażało porównanie z inymi historiami - mama mojej koleżanki zmarła na SM, a właściwie przez efekt uboczny leków, które brała, i które zdewastowały jej nerki. Podobno jednak ten aspekt leczenia już jest znacznie lepszy i nowe generacje medykamentów są mniej szkodliwe. Może, o ironio, pielęgniarki i lekarze w Polsce trochę się nie doedukowali i ciągle myślą, że jeśli SM cię nie zabije, to zrobią to leki, które Ci przepisali."
4,56066,2019-07-02T13:46:13.199Z,10046,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,54312,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"ping @anon1812918160: Jeśli odpowiesz komentarzem, to naprawdę pomoże nam zrozumieć, gdzie znajdujesz wsparcie, lub w międzyczasie stałeś się aktywistą lub jakie jest twoje podejście w anon1235093333rę postępów."
5,56259,2019-07-06T17:58:32.623Z,10046,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,54312,anon1812918160,anon1812918160,"Hej,

wybaczcie dłuższe milczenie, ale byłam w trakcie przeprowadzki. Od teraz jestem już dostępna i będę regularnie pojawiać się, komentować i postować na platfromie.

Dzięki za Wasze pytania i wpisy. 

Jeśli chodzi o grupy wsparcia dla chorych z SM najstarszą i najprężniej działającą organizacją jest Polskie Stowarzyszenie Stwardnienia Rozsianego. Nie znam za bardzo tej organizacji i, mówiąc szczerze, staram się jej unikać, bo najzwyczajniej w świecie mnie dołuje i z mojej perspektywy jest dość staroświecko zarządzana i zrzesza głównie osoby starsze (a przynajmniej tak mi się wydaję, bo nigdy nie ciągnęło mnie do PTSR chociaż lokalne oddziały stowarzyszenia są w każdym większym mieście).

Są też kampanie np. SM - Walcz o siebie albo Szkoła Motywacji (http://www.szkola-motywacji.pl/). Tu dominuje trochę bardziej nowoczesne podejście do choroby, nacisk kładziony jest na jej indywidualny przebieg i spersonalizowane leczenie oraz historie osób chorych. Kampanie te promują nowoczesne metody leczenia co wśród chorych na SM wywołuje czasem kontrowersje - wiele osób nie chce się leczyć obawiając się skutków ubocznych leków.

Mówiąc szczerze, osobiście nie potrzebuję wsparcia tego rodzaju grup na co dzień. Mam jedną koleżankę ze świeżo zdiagnozowanym SM i kontakt oraz wyanon1235093333na doświadczeń z nią w zupełności mi wystarczają. Myślałam o założeniu grupy wsparcia w mediach społecznościowych, którzy są świeżo po diagnozie - wydaje mi się, że wsparcie na tym etapie jest najważniejsze, bo ""wizerunek"" tej choroby jest naprawdę przerażający, ale jestem obecnie zaangażowana w tak wiele działań, że po prostu nie mam w tym momencie na to przestrzeni, a może po prostu nie chcę myśleć o mojej chorobie cały czas?

Jeśli chodzi o moje działania i aktywizm to ciężko mi stwierdzić kim byłabym dzisiaj bez SM. W rzeczywistości zaczęłam działania na rzecz praw człowieka już po diagnozie, ale naprawdę trudno powiedzieć czy anon1235093333ło to bezpośredni wpływ na wybór mojej ścieżki zawodowej. Na pewno uwrażliwiło mnie to na problemy innych oraz pokazało nieznaną mi dotąd ciemną stronę polskiej opieki zdrowotnej, ale z drugiej strony w swoim aktywizmie działam raczej na innych polach (migracje, feminizm, prawa zwierząt). Warto pamiętać, że SM najczęściej jest diagnozowane u osób młodych (u mnie w wieku 25 lat) czyli właśnie okresie, kiedy podejmuje się pierwsze poważne decyzje dotyczące zarówno życia zawodowego jak i prywatnego. Oczywiście chroniczna choroba wpływa na decyzje i motywacje, ale nie dzielę swojego życia na przed i po diagnozie, jestem wciąż tą samą osobą tylko z trochę innym bagażem doświadczeń.

PS. Na koniec chciałabym wkleić link do mojego ulubionego bloga o SM - dla tych, którzy znają niemiecki. Ta dziewczyna robi naprawdę super robotę :) - http://chronisch-fabelhaft.de/"
1,54722,2019-06-08T07:37:24.732Z,10105,1,23,22,387,0,0,2004.6,54722,anon863112008,anon863112008,"<image here> 
 

Zdravo svima,

Ja sam Jelena, imam 28 godina i trenutno sam na master studijama u Londonu. Nakon što sam pročitala nekoliko tekstova ovde, praćeno nekim  refleksijama na moj život u Velikoj Britaniji u odnosu na Srbiju, shvatila sam da je pitanje ličnog identiteta vezano i za ono što bih nazvala nekim moralnim kodom, odnosno setom vrednosti kojim se vodim pri donošenju odluka na svakodnevnom nivou ali i u  ključnim stvarima u životu.
Za mene je moralni kod lični set vrednosti koji pre svega oblikuju najbliži ljudi u okruženju, porodica, prijatelji, kasnije u životu posao, a tek onda neka šira zajednica, kao što je možda nacija. Sve što dođe posle tih prvih porodičnih inputa – kroz izlaganje različitim prijateljima, obrazovanje, putovanja, to se posle samo nadograđuje. Za mene je dolazak na fakultet značio iskorak iz jedne male i konzervativne sredine u kojoj je kod zajednički, i  mogućnost da redefinišem način na koji odlučujem šta je moj kod i kako se odnosim prema tuđem moralnom kodu. Na fakultetu sam kroz razumevanje liberalizma došla do toga da je moralni kod moja individualna stvar, bez obzira  šta na nivou društva  biva manje ili više prihvaćeno. Na svom prvom poslu mi se potvrdila ta potreba da pratim individualno razumevanje mog koda, uslovno rečeno. Od svog poslodavca preuzela sam ono što mi je intuitivno odgovaralo i što sam smatrala vrednim nadograđanon598341349jem svog moralnog koda - odnositi se s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem prema svim ljudima bez obzira na to gde se oni nalaze u strukturi organizacije. Iako ponašanje koje demonstrira poniznost ili oholost u odnosu na druge u zavisnosti od toga gde se oni nalaze u hijerarhiji definitivno nije deo zvanične nacionalne kulture,  toliko je zastupljeno da se gotovo očekuje od ljudi. 

U jednom  kontekstu konstantnih promena za mene je spiritualnost pokušaj da ti, pored svega što ti se dešava na svakodnevnom nivou i svih tih promena kojima si izložen, sačuvaš te svoje core vrednosti, šta god da su one, i da se u svim tim situacijama i kontekstima koji su različiti vodiš tim istim vrednostima – tim svojim moralnim kodom i da te on u stvari usmerava kako da se ponašaš u različitim situacijama. Rekla bih da je **suština spiritualnosti u današnje vreme da promenjeni konteksti ne menjaju tvoj moralni kod.** 

Moje viđenje spiritualnosti nije mainstream u srpskom društvu. Pravoslavlje koje je dominantno u Srbiji nije uticalo na agnosticizam koji se kod mene kasnije razvio, jer je vera u mom najbližem okruženju smatrana ličnim izborom, a ne opštim pravilom koje moramo da prihvatimo jer to radi većina. Ono što sam ja ustanovila, i zato i kažem da sam agnostik, jeste da nešto postoji, a mi to ne umemo da poimamo ili jednostavno ne moramo da definišemo. Ono što sam ja spoznala i što mislim da cenim kao vrhovnu vrednost u svom  kodu jeste prijateljstvo, pravi i suštinski odnosi sa drugim ljudima. Čist i iskren odnos koji traje iako živimo u eri gde se odnosi brzo grade, brzo raspadaju i često su jako površni. 


U tom kontekstu, kada razmišljam o onome što se dominantno smatra poželjnim ponašanjem ili prioritizacijom, verujem da se posvećenost poslu i uspehu -  koje se često uzimaju kao  determinante poželjne društvene jedinke -   takođe nekako uguralo kao trend i deo novog moralnog koda. Nisam ni ja bila imuna na to – radila sam i po 16 sati, ali više zato što to volim nego radi konstantne opterećenosti  uspehom. Međutim, i kad radiš nešto što te pokreće i što voliš, burnout u nekom trenutku dođe i natera te da preispitaš kako da pronađeš pravu meru– kako da svoj pomiriš sa  ostalim svojim vrednostima.  Jako je važno, ali i jako teško pronaći balans.

Iako živimo u jednom globalizovanom društvu, često pokušavamo da narativno vratimo brojne teme u nacionalne okvire – za mene je to veliki izazov. Pričati o moralnom kodu u nacionalnim okvirima je jako teško, naročito ako ne osećaš pripadnost tom dominantnom nacionalnom kodu. Deliti moje vrednosti znači biti na margini srpskog društva, a istovremeno biti deo amorfne većine u Velikoj Britaniji. Izazov opstanka ličnog moralnog koda nije toliko u opstajanju u društvu u kome si gotovo izuzetak, već u omogućavanju dovoljne fleksibilnosti tog većinskog koda, tako da ljudi mogu da se izraze kao pojedinci.. **Pitanje moralnog koda se može možda suziti na to šta biramo da nam bude kod, za koga god da su principi tog koda vezani. Kod u tom slučaju istovremeno prevazilazi okvire nacije i vraća se na osnovni nivo zajednice – pojedinca..**"
2,54793,2019-06-10T11:55:51.114Z,10105,0,7,6,0,0,0,1.4,54722,anon3593942245,anon863112008,This is Wlayches application story @anon2446385507
3,55302,2019-06-17T13:32:54.667Z,10105,0,16,15,3,1,0,18.2,54722,anon2446385507,anon863112008,"Dobrodošli u grupu, @anon863112008! Vidim da ste zainteresovani za sličnu temu kao @anon1146465561.

 [quote=""anon863112008, post:1, topic:10105""]
However, even when you are doing something that moves you and what you love, a burnout at some point comes and forces you to re-examine how to find the right measure-how to reconcile yourself with your other values. It's very important, but it's also very difficult to find a balance.
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Meni zvuči tako istinito!
Ne znam u kojoj oblasti radite, ali Bistra, član bugarske zajednice, organizuje godišnji kamp za kulturne radnike koji su iskusili stres i izgaranje.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/call-for-participants-cultural-managers-re-creation-camp-remedy-against-burnout/9961"
4,55872,2019-06-28T23:53:18.411Z,10105,1,15,14,2,0,0,63.0,54722,anon3346229079,anon863112008,"Cao Jelena,

Pa slozio bi se sa tobom u mnogo cemu, doduse rekao bi da nacionalni moralni kod vise utice na prosjecnog covjeka nego sto je mozda na tebe ili na mene (ili starije generacije).

Danas su djeca puno ranije izlozena jako sirokoj sredini kroz medije, drustvene mreze itd. Veliki je pritisak na njih da se konformisu i ponasaju u skladu sa postavljenim standardima a roditelji im sve vise rade. Postoje razna istrazanon598341349ja na temu povecanja ankcioznosti i samoubistava kod mladjih generacija i povezanon598341349jem tog trenda sa rastom popularnosti drustvenih mreza.
Po meni veci je razlog gubitak porodice kao stabilnog stuba i neke sigurne zone djeteta ali dobro, ko zna.

Vidis kakav sistem vrijednosti se postavlja u Srbiji ili Hrvatskoj, na zalost sistem je tako postavljen da normalni i posteni ljudi moraju jako da se bore da bi ostvarili osnovna prava. Ja mogu reci kao preduzetnik koji ima firmu u Belgiji a radio je i u Srbiji i u Hrvatskoj da tamo trenutno ne bi ulozio ni 5000 evra...a jako veliki je potencijal. Jednostavno zato sto znam da je sve postavljeno tako da ja moram nekoga potplatiti da bi poslovao a onog trena kad nekoga platis ti si upao i isti kos kao i ti lopovi koji ce ti poslje non stop visiti nad glavom.

I za mene najvaznija stvar su medjuljudski odnosi, sve ostalo dolazi poslje toga. Sto se tice vjere isto tako imam svoje shvatanje ovog postojanja i mislim da je to licna stvar svakog covjeka. 
Ekstremno sam liberalan po tom a i mnogim drugim pitanjima, slobodna volja iznad svega i uopce nemam potrebu ili zelju uklapati se u standarde vecine. Kad mi neko kaze da nisam normalan ja kazem hvala :).
Samo bi bilo lijepo kad bi ljudi uz tu slobodnu volju prihvatili i apsolutnu odgovornost za svoja djela, rjeci, namjere itd. Jako malo ljudi zeli prihvatiti odgovornost za svoj zivot, lakse je naci izgovore u drugima i ponasati se kao da ih zivot nosi okolo kao bura list...

Mislim da se burnout svakome moze desiti, ja uglavnom uzivam  ustvarima koje radim ali opet sam imao burnout u januaru ove godine i morao pauzirati 2 nedjelje.

U svakom slucaju, svidja mi se kako razmisljas i sve najbolje."
5,56141,2019-07-04T09:42:18.107Z,10105,1,14,13,1,1,0,12.8,55872,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"[quote=""anon3346229079, post:4, topic:10105""]
Samo bi bilo lijepo kad bi ljudi uz tu slobodnu volju prihvatili i apsolutnu odgovornost za svoja djela, rjeci, namjere itd. Jako malo ljudi zeli prihvatiti odgovornost za svoj zivot, lakse je naci izgovore u drugima i ponasati se kao da ih zivot nosi okolo kao bura list…
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@anon
Tačka u kojoj počinjete da viđate alternative i preispitujete svoje ponašanje i moralni kod je tačka u kojoj vaš mozak ima slobodan prostor. Ali to je skupo, mnogi nemaju luksuz da razmišljaju. Možda grešim.

Ovo je analogija.
Početkom maja su me mladi pljačkali u železničkoj stanici u Briselu. Nisam osećao bes, osećao sam saosećanje. Kad bih odlučio da li da budu zatvoreni, pustio bih ih da se oslobode. Ako su odrasli, možda i ja mislim isto. Radikalan, ili normalan?"
6,56167,2019-07-04T15:27:56.347Z,10105,1,13,12,1,0,0,27.6,56141,anon3346229079,anon2446385507,"Slazem se sa tobom anon2649858692mi, dobro si povezala ""slobodni prostor"" koji um ima i koji mu daje luksuz preispitanon598341349ja. Kad covjek gleda kako prezivjeti onda mu moralni kod i nije bas prirotiet :wink:. Doduse, ne bi rekao da je to toliko skupo koliko se misli. Prije bi rekao da ljudi olako nadju izgovore za mnoge stvari. Mozda u 5% odluka donesenim svaki dan u svijetu (lupam sad) mozemo primjeniti taj princip da ljudi biraju ono sto moraju. 
95% odluka je jos uvijek na ljudima, to sto se nekome alternativa cini neprihvatljivom ne znaci da alternative nema i da je izbor samo jedan.

Sto se tice analogije, ni ja ih ne bi zatvorio. Kad ih zatvoris onda ih ubacis u takav ekosistem u kome ce oni nauciti kako se laze i krade, bice okruzeni takvim i nasilnim ljudima. Rezultat je da ce cesce biti jos bolji lopovi kad izadju nego sto ce zazaliti to sto su uradili.
Ja bi ih ""kaznio"" na drugaciji nacin. Poslao bi ih na savjetovanje kod ljudi koji su bili nekad lopovi, dileri itd a vise nisu, da razmijene price, iskustva, da nauce kako se izvuci iz tog svijeta a ne kako da zaglave u njemu jos vise.

Mene cesto prijatelji sokirano pitaju: ""zasto ne zatvaras krov od auta"", ako sam parkiran u gradu. Ja uvijek imam gomilu sitnica u autu i odgovaram: ""ako je neko u tako losoj situaciji da zeli da ukrade ovo e pa onda neka uzme, nije problem"". 
Tako da razumijem ja da postoje razne zivotne okolnosti i nekad nemamo izbora, ali rekao bi ipak to je manjina slucajeva.
Ja sam dosao u Brisel kao izbjeglica i imao sam bas teske periode, upoznao sam i kriminalce i razne mutne ljude, imao nacina da zaradim laku paru, mogao sam i povrediti druge...bio sam tu 5 godina skoro bez radne dozvole i imao razna iskusenja. 
Otisao sam iz Hrvatske samo sa bermudama, majicom i japankama na sebi.
Odbio sam cak da se zenim drugaricom (Belgijankom) za papire. Ona sama mi je nudila jer joj je bilo muka da me gleda u raznim situacijama godinama.
Naravno nisam savrsen i gresio sam u zivotu isto. Moja poenta je, i kad sam donio odluke sa kojima nisam nimalo ponosan, opet ja sam svjestan da sam ih ja donio i potpuno prihvatam posljedice tih mojih odluka. Cak i onda kad nisam donio odluke, neko drugi ih je donio za mene. To samo znaci da sam ja dozvolio da neko drugi donosi odluke za mene :wink:."
7,56219,2019-07-05T10:30:55.078Z,10105,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,56167,anon2446385507,anon3346229079,"Očigledno ste posebni, ili niste normalni :-)
Verovatno je da vaša životna iskustva i preseljenje u inostranstvo formiraju mnogo vašeg osećaja hrabrosti i odgovornosti. Želim da ga ima više ljudi.

Kome biste preporučili da stignemo u Srbiju koja ima suprotna gledišta od vaših? Ko će biti grupe ljudi koji su podložniji populističkim političkim diskursima? Veoma smo zainteresovani da vidimo kakva je dinamika koja čini ljude gubitkom empatije prema drugima (ko su „drugi“), i tako dalje."
8,56251,2019-07-06T11:02:46.640Z,10105,0,12,11,2,1,0,27.4,54722,anon3346229079,anon863112008,"U Srbiji ili Hrvatskoj je to neki drugi nivo vec. Naravno da populisti, kako ih nazivas, igraju na kartu nacionalizma i neprijatelja, vanjskih ili unutrasnjih ali ne pobjedjuju oni na izborima zbog toga.

Razlog broj jedan je sto su vec ostvarili toliku kontrolu u drzavi i toliko para nakrali da mogu direktno kupiti glasove.
-U Srbiji je to kroz mjesavinu kriminalnih metoda, kontrolu medija i direktne nagrade glasacima.
-U Hrvatskoj se vise igra na nacionalizam i stvaranje straha kroz stvaranje neprijatelja i velika je podjela drustva. Pored toga nivo korupcije je vjerovato najgori u EU. Ima preko 500 000 ratnih veterana koji dobijaju mirovinu (a mozda bi 100 000 trebalo dobijati). Mnogi su tako kupljeni, a drugi kroz razne usluge i povlastice. Na primjer donesen je nedavno zakon koji daje prednost djeci ratnih veterana u odnosu na druge ljude ako su se prijavili za neki posao. To je isto nacin kupovine glasova.

Oni su ujedno i grupa ljudi najpodloznija populistickim diskursima, ali i dobro su placeni.

Sto se tice dinamike gubitka empatije prema ""drugima"", nazalost primjera ima milion kroz istoriju. Ja vjerujem da je geni prenose puno vise od osobina i mogucnosti, da prenose i sjecanja i iskustva. Kad se uzme u obzir da vec hiljadama godina manipuliraju nama kroz stvaranje ""drugih"", to ce biti jako tesko izbrisati iz nase kolektivne svijesti. Volio bi znati sto evoluciona psihologija kaze o tome, nisam jos naisao na temu u knjigama koje citam :slight_smile: 

[quote=""anon2446385507, post:7, topic:10105""]
Kome biste preporučili da stignemo u Srbiju koja ima suprotna gledišta od vaših?
[/quote]
I am not sure I understand this part, you can write it in English :slight_smile:"
1,56207,2019-07-05T08:25:28.096Z,10298,0,8,7,3,0,0,31.6,56207,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"<image here> 
 

Nejste jediný, kdo má plné zuby zkorumpovaných politiků a bohatých, kteří dále bohatnou. Seznamte se s ostatními ve vašem okolí, kteří bojují s důsledky našich nefunkčních politických a ekonomických systémů: bující nezaměstnaností, kolabujícím systémem zdravotní péče a chybějící pomocí.

Připojte se k nám 17. července v Praze, abyste si poslechli, s čím se potýkali ostatní, a podělili se o to, čím jste si prošli vy. Podívejme se na to, jak společnými silami věci změnit.

Proč to děláme: Blahobyt v Evropě je komunitním projektem, v němž se lidé z různých zemí setkávají a sdílejí způsoby, jak zísanon3213561856 lepší zdravotní péči, více pracovních příležitostí, více morální podpory a tipy k tomu, aby se ve svém životě cítili dobře.

Kdo jsme: síť 5000 jednotlivců a organizací pracujících na řešení sociálních, hospodářských, environmentálních a politických problémů ve více než 80 zemích.

FB Event: https://www.facebook.com/events/307122366837089/"
1,55884,2019-06-29T10:31:35.871Z,10261,1,23,22,21,0,0,234.6,55884,anon2867672406,anon2867672406,"<image here> 
 

*An Italian version of this post is available [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/la-riconciliazione-ai-tempi-di-internet/10262/2)*

My native country, Italy, is currently going through a crisis related to a ship called Sea-Watch-3. Owned by a German NGO, it rescued 42 migrants from the Mediterranean; was denied authorization to dock in the Italian island of Lampedusa; but docked anyway on humanitarian grounds. Its captain was arrested. As I write, it is unclear how it will end (here is the [Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/ngo-boat-carrying-migrants-defies-matteo-salvini-veto-lampedusa-italy)). Whatever happens next, I fear it will affect not just its protagonists (the 42 migrants, the captain, the Italian authorities and the latter’s political leaders), but all Italians. Those effects will be strongly negative. They could even disintegrate Italy’s sentiment of national unity.

Let me explain. Italians are human beings, and like all humans prone to overheating during discussions. To overstep the limits of civility, and cross from discussion into fighting. That’s normal. Just step into an Italian café on a Monday, and watch people discuss the Sunday’s football matches. It is very common to overhear people accuse each other of “stealing a victory”, or even “buying off the referee”. Of course, the actual people in those discussion were not even within a hundred kilometer radius from the stadium. Their accusers know this well, but they associate the opposite team’s supporters to the alleged wrongdoings of the team’s players or management. **Humans are good at factionalism: pitting “you” against “us”, [according to biologists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection), is innate in *homo sapiens*** .

Something similar happens in the Sea-Watch 3 discussion. Many limits of civility and courtesy have been overstepped. I hope I am wrong, but I see the country resolving into two opposite factions of supporters. The stadium where the actual match is being fought is near-empty, but Italy’s bars are full of people shouting not only at the players, but at each other. I am reading heavy, heavy words: “kill them”, “sink them”, “inhuman” and so on.

Unfortunately, I predict the echo of these words will be with us for a long time. **This has something to do with the Internet** .

On the one hand, the Internet provides us with an archive of everything we share: the joy and the anger, the measured arguments and the insults and venting. It never forgets. If you, today, use the Net to demand that the navy sinks a ship full of unfortunate people, or to call minister X or representative Y a Nazi, you leave a digital trace that will not go away easily, or at all. Even if you repent, that post, or that tweet, will hang from your neck like the albatro from the neck of Coleridge’s Old Mariner.

On the other hand, social media tend to push us into “consensus bubbles” where most people are close to our own position. [According to Zeynep Tufekci](http://ted.com/talks/zeynep_tufekci_we_re_building_a_dystopia_just_to_make_people_click_on_ads), these bubbles are not static, but carry us towards more and more extreme positions with time and the consumption of social media.

**Together, these two effects create a situation where our most extreme positions become a cage that we can no longer break free of** . If we change our minds, we know that someone will always be able to rub them in our face. And, once we express them, we find ourselves part of a bubble that *rewards* us for taking it: admires us, respects us as someone who is not afraid to “tell it like it is”. In this situation, it is hard to change your opinion.

Conclusions. **In the age of social media, when a faultline forms in a community it tends to grow wider, crystallize, become irreversible** . Forgiveness and reconciliation becomes harder. This is my reading of what happened in the UK: in 2015, the words “Leaver” and “Remainer” did not exist. In 2016 they were shorthand for “someone who votes Leave/Remain in the EU referendum”. In 2019 they are identities: go to any dating website, it’s full of people saying “I could never date a Leaver/Remainer”. Now, these identities are completely artificial, but the combined effect of unerasable records and consensus bubbles makes them effective anyway. I fear that, with Sea-Watch 3, we Italians have found our own faultline, our own Brexit.

In the short run, as the British example shows, it is likely that we will get mired into a continuous conflict that will cripple our ability to develop the country. After the referendum, the British government has done practically no new policy, not even around leaving the EU. And in the long run? No one knows. I fear that a deeply divided national community is unviable.

So what next? My opinion does not matter. **If it did, I would use it to ask my countrymen to be compassionate, not (only) with the migrants on the Sea-Watch 3, but with each other** . A person can, in a moment of frustration, get carried away and *say* something horrible without *being* a horrible person. The “enemy” that torments us on Twitter is just another human being, with a family, a car insurance to pay, maybe a dog. A couple of layers beneath his offensive language there might be arguments worth discussing.

No one has a monopoly on Italian-ness. But I like to remember this: after the fall of the fascist regime and the end of World War II, Italy gave itself a national unity government. Its minister of justice was communist leader Palmiro Togliatti, himself exiled during fascism. His most significant policy was a general amnesty. rolled out as an emergency measure, before Italy even had a constitution or a parliament. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togliatti_amnesty) notes:

> it pardoned and reduced sentences for Italian Fascists and Partisans alike. The amnesty included common crimes as well as political ones committed during World War II. In practice however, Fascists and collaborators benefited far more from the amnesty than Partisans did.

This move had far-reaching implications. Those who had been complicit in involving Italy in a war, and collaborated with an invading force, got home free, just like those who had fought against these choices. Fair? No. And indeed, Togliatti paid a high price to the backlash, also within his own party. But the government, and Togliatti himself, decided that reconciliation and mutual forgiveness was the only path towards a reasonably cohesive, stable nation. Conflict happens, but to move forward together reconciliation is necessary. **Italy is a republic based on that reconciliation, and I do not think it has a future if we we won’t be able to reverse this trend towards entrenched positions and mutual, public insult**. I hope we realize this, before it is too late."
2,56144,2019-07-04T09:56:36.501Z,10261,1,12,11,1,1,0,12.4,55884,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"What a great, moving story.

[quote=""anon2867672406, post:1, topic:10261""]
**Humans are good at factionalism: pitting “you” against “us”, [according to biologists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection), is innate in *homo sapiens*** .
[/quote]

From humanitarian issues to vegetarianism, child rearing and lifestyle choices, I recognise it in my own bubble, how everything is my way versus your way.
This is paradoxical: do you think that the more humanitarian organisations will fight for the victims of Sea Watch 3, the more polarization, the more backlash, the less chances of succeeding in reconcilization? Just because of standing for something strongly, they could bring allies even closer, and estrange opponents more?"
3,56149,2019-07-04T13:15:50.591Z,10261,0,10,9,1,1,0,22.0,56144,anon2867672406,anon2446385507,"[quote=""anon2446385507, post:2, topic:10261""]
Just because of standing for something strongly, they could bring allies even closer, and estrange opponents more?
[/quote]

Opinion campaigns normally target people who do not know or care much about the issue at hand. These agnostic folks are proposed a narrative; since they did not have a different one, they are reasonably likely to accept it, and become allies to the campaigners. AFAIK, campaigns almost never change anyone's mind. So, when everyone already has an opinion, an effective campaign galvanizes friends and pisses off foes: it discharges its communicative energy into more polarization.

A sad update: the other day I went back to Facebook, and my feed was full of Italians saying ""If you are support X, please defriend me"" or ""I will defriend anyone that I catch expressing contempt for Y"". Bubbles, hardening their borders...."
1,55972,2019-07-01T14:21:44.248Z,10274,0,7,6,4,0,0,36.4,55972,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"Za poslední dobu máme spoustu novinek!

Do našich debat se zapojil @anon4062071924, který navázal na diskuzi o problematice zdravotnictví, kde ze svých nedávných zkušeností nadnesl otázku protichůdných informací, které může člověk od několika různých lékařů v té samé nemocnici zísanon3213561856 a k jaké autoritě se má člověk posléze obracet.
https://edgeryders.eu/t/pacient-sam-sobe-lekarem-aneb-lekari-sobe/10263  

Další zajímavý názor přidala @anon2495109874, která nadnesla myšlenku toho, kterým směrem by se měly církve v regionu středovýchodní a jihovýchodní Evropy vydat, aby vytvářel otevřenější a atraktivnější prostředí pro členy diverzifikované společnosti:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/duchovni-pohoda-domy-pro-obcany/9937/6?u=jirka_kocian 

Budeme velice rádi, když také vyjádříte svůj názor!"
1,53539,2019-05-15T14:37:30.010Z,9909,0,11,10,2,0,0,12.2,53539,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"![Czech%20survey%20Whos%20behind%20Europe|558x405](upload://uvreEn7CIrvrjeiREVpfijYU4cE.png) 
_Foto: https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/_

Byl jsem tak překvapen, když jsem si přečetl tyto zprávy, že čtvrtina lidí si myslí, že (nelegální) migrace je spiknutí. Podíval jsem se také na hatespeech.cz, webovou stránku Agentury pro sociální začleňování, a překvapilo mě množství násilí a nenávisti vůči těm, kteří jsou jiní. Co to podle vás v zemi způsobuje? (Vím, že SPO a SPD jsou vedoucí strany a to asi není náhoda, ale stejně, proč?)

Zde je článek:
https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/domaci/nelegalni-migraci-organizuje-eu-mysli-si-ctvrtina-cechu-bles/r~d787bb786fd511e9be22ac1f6b220ee8/?utm_term=Autofeed&amp;utm_medium=Social&amp;utm_source=Twitter&amp;redirected=1557136595&amp;fbclid=IwAR3XepLFabiicN9JFogEZ90F8Wc8gS_7l6QbRsPTMdwjVV0yWjfJoMTCa_U#Echobox=1557134527"
2,55891,2019-06-29T17:46:56.486Z,9909,2,6,5,1,0,0,46.2,53539,anon4062071924,anon2446385507,"Tak vysoká procenta jsou opravdu varující a myslím si, že bez aktivního vyvracení podobných mýtů se v dnešní době nemají šanci snížit, bohužel… Tak snad projekty podobné EdgeRyders nás nakopnou k ještě větší aktivitě. Když jsem byl minulý týden na demonstraci na Letné, pomyslel jsem si, že žijeme v úžasné zemi  plných inteligentních lidí, kteří vědí, co chtějí (samozřejmě až na ty okolnosti, kvůli kterým jsme se na pláni vedle „Stalina“ sešli…). Jenže tento krásný čtvrmilionový vzorek je na demontraci úctyhodný, ale procenta mluví jinak (viz původní článek). Nedávno jsem se vrátil z ročního Working Holiday v Kanadě, kde „bylo krásně“; většinová populace si uvědomovala, že výročí 150 let od založení země se mohou slavit právě díky migraci (byť částečně nelegální). I když jsem dostal nabídky k tomu, abych tam zůstal žít a pracovat, rozhodl jsem se pro návrat, abych mohl aktivně apriorní xenofobii (byť třeba ve své nejslabší a na oko neškodné formě) bojovat, byť zatím pouze v diskusích se známými. Pojďme bojovat proti stereotypům, které, myslím, jsou příčinou oněch „ošklivých procent“. Začal jsem sám u sebe a není dne, kdy bych si neuvědomil, že i jako „sluníčkář“ mám nějaké klapky na očích, někdy možná příliš růžové brýle, atp. A nepřestává mě to udivovat a bavit – jak jste na tom vy a stereotypy? Poradíte mi/nám/jim, jak je úspěšně překonávat? Předem děkuji a přeji, ať máte oči i srdce otevřené! ;)"
3,55895,2019-06-29T18:23:03.570Z,9909,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,55891,anon3353600255,anon4062071924,"To je dost pravdivá myšlenka, už asi 10 let se věnuju výzkumu Balkánu a středovýchodní Evropy, je zajímavé absolvovat několik ""prozření"", nakolik akademická půda může přispívat k šíření a utvrzováni stereotypů, se kterými tak srdnatě bojuje. Asi to nebezpečí přichází ve chvíli, kdy už si připadáme natolik dokonalí, ze začneme nastavovat pravidla a normy a přestaneme se ptát sami sebe, jak jsme k nim vlastně došli."
4,55966,2019-07-01T14:08:18.753Z,9909,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,55891,anon2446385507,anon4062071924,"Na Edgeryders je tolik reportáží, které zveřejnili aktivisté s projekty na začlenění migrantů.

Tenhle z minulých let je velmi jasný v tom, jak musí pracovat, aby vykompenzovali porušování lidských práv institucemi - například pohraniční policií, která migrantům (a uprchlíkům zvlášť) před jejich deportací ani neposkytuje informace. V reakci na to se aktivistická organizace rozhodla nabídnout lidem jazykové kurzy.

Ale ano, podobně jako Jirka tvrdí:


> ""Silná a nebezpečná vazba mezi ‚institucionálním‘ rasismem, ‚masmediálním‘ rasismem a ‚lidovým‘ rasismem činí ze života mnoha migrantů vyčerpávající a nikdy nekončící ‚překážku‘ v každém okamžiku jejich života.""

Celý článek je zde:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/promoting-and-asserting-migrants-rights-in-venice-because-human-rights-either-are-for-everybody-or-are-for-nobody/1498"
1,53755,2019-05-22T13:49:58.400Z,9951,0,10,9,1,0,0,97.0,53755,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"Ahoj všem, na tomto místě chceme nabídnout shrnutí toho nejzajímavějšího, co se za poslední dobu v naší online komunitě odehrálo. Neváhejte se také podívat i na další vedle té české, kromě ní souběžně fungují polská, německá, srbská a také anglická varianta, která nabízí globální přehled o všech:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/best-of-wellbeing-in-europe-stories-in-czech-polish-german/9921


V našem fóru se každopádně objevily první dva příspěvky: jeden můj, ve kterém mě současné zkušenosti kamarádky se zdravotním systémem inspirovaly k sepsání jedné z mých vzpomínek z dětství a zamyšlení se nad tím, kam jsme se vlastně za posledních 30 let v tomhle ohledu posunuli. Jak vnímáte vy vztahy lékařů a pacientů a co myslíte, že by se v českém zdravotním systému mělo nejzásadnějšího změnit?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/lekaruv-pacient-nebo-pacientuv-lekar/9893


Druhý přípspěvěk přinesla @anon2495109874, badatelka na Karlově Univerzitě pocházející z Rumunska, která již několik let žije se svoji rodinou v Praza a nedávno si povídala se svoji kamarádkou z Gruzie o tom, jaký význam má pro lidi žijící trvale v jiných zemích duchovní naplnění a jaké zkušenosti s ním mají v České republice. Jak to vlastně vnímáte vy? Žijeme v zemi tisíců kostelů, jsou tu jen součástí českého skanzenu pro turisty, nebo skutečně nějak plní svoji funkci?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/duchovni-pohoda/9937

Budeme se těšit na další příspěvky!"
2,55956,2019-07-01T12:54:08.033Z,9951,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,53755,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"Za poslední dobu máme spoustu novinek!

Do našich debat se zapojil @anon4062071924, který navázal na diskuzi o problematice zdravotnictví, kde ze svých nedávných zkušeností nadnesl otázku protichůdných informací, které může člověk od několika různých lékařů v té samé nemocnici zísanon3213561856 a k jaké autoritě se má člověk posléze obracet.
https://edgeryders.eu/t/pacient-sam-sobe-lekarem-aneb-lekari-sobe/10263  

Další zajímavý názor přidala @anon2495109874, která nandnesla myšlenku toho, kterým směrem by se měly církve v regionu středovýchodní a jihovýchodní Evropy vydat, aby vytvářel otevřenější a atraktivnější prostředí pro diverzifikované společnosti:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/duchovni-pohoda-domy-pro-obcany/9937/6?u=jirka_kocian 

Budeme velice rádi, když také vyjádříte svůj názor!"
3,55970,2019-07-01T14:19:53.037Z,9951,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,55956,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Hei! Can you cut-paste this comment into a new Topic? It's is easier to find it for those who join, thanks!"
4,55971,2019-07-01T14:20:36.806Z,9951,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,55970,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,All right
1,53423,2019-05-14T07:02:13.023Z,9893,0,19,18,45,0,0,273.8,53423,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"<image here> 
 

Před pár dny jsem se bavil s kamarádkou, která už delší dobu řeší své zdravotní problémy. Možná to znáte od sebe, nebo ze svého okolí taky, ale dlouho vlastně nevěděla, co přesně jí je. To co původně vypadalo jako problém tělesného zdraví se ukázalo jako problém zdraví duševního, ostatně jako bytosti jsme jeden propojený systém, takže asi tak…

Nicméně, během našeho povídání a jejího vyprávění o běhání od doktora k doktorovi jsme se dobrali k tomu, že je zvláštní pocit, odevzdat se někomu tak trochu na milost a nemilost, jak se říká v češtině “do péče”.

Vzpomněl jsem si při tom na jeden z nejsilnějších zážitků z dětství. Když mi bylo osm let, velice ošklivě jsem si zlomil nohu při lyžování. Řízením osudu jsem skončil v obvodní nemocnici ve městě T. v horách na severu Čech, státním zařízení. Moji rodiče neměli k dispozici finanční, ani jiné prostředky na mé přemístění, a ani tak, netuším nakolik by si v roce 1994 mohli vybírat. Pro dítě s bujnou fantazií byl tento pobyt jako stroj času, který mě přenesl do polní nemocnice těsně za frontovou linií (viděli jste film Dvanáct opic? Když jsem ho pár let na to viděl já, prožil jsem u několika scén dost silné  *dejá vu* ).

Po přijetí mi velice nervózní a pravděpodobně velmi unavená paní lékařka, na kterou opakovaně útočil nemocniční rozhlas, s tím ať se okamžitě dostaví na sál, v rychlosti nohu srovnala. Vzhledem k tomu, že má zlomenina byla způsobená rotací těla oproti statické levé dolní končetině přibližně o 270°, bylo to dosti nepříjemné. A bolelo to. Hodně. Nohu zasádrovala a šla operovat. Lýtkovou a holenní kost bohužel ve spěchu nedorovnala, což jsem samozřejmě nevěděl, a do konce mého pobytu to nezjistil ani nikdo další, na rentgenu měli asi nátřesk.

Následně jsem byl umístěn na pokoj, ze kterého mi utkvěla celá řada dalších zážitků - nevím jestli si pamatuju všechno úplně přesně, ale jde spíš o pocit jako takový, kouzlo lidské paměti. Osazenstvo o počtu asi tak 12 pacientů bylo ve věku 4 až 90 let. Pamatuji si nejmladšího chlapečka, kterého si ani čtyři dny po termínu propuštění nepřišli vyzvednout rodiče a jak je vyhížel z okna. Pamatuju si pána v rohu u dvěří co nás opustil jako první a bohužel způsobem, který si při hospitalizaci nikdo nepřeje. Pamatuju si, že jsem nebyl nejpopulárnější spolunocležník, jelikož jsem měl vysoké horečky (asi to punkové srůstání) a kříčel jsem v noci bolestí ze spaní - podle toho co mi pán vedle na posteli, asi tak 55, říkal, vždycky když mě budil ze sna. Ten ostatně přejal značnou část mojí péče a vysvětlil mi jak přežít, za což mu zpětně alspoň touto cestou děkuji.

Péče. Ihned po umístění na pokoj jsem dostal berle, které jsem vizuálně poznal z filmů pro pamětníky (ostatně tak vypadaly i prostory nemocnice), a bylo mi vysvětleno, že na velkou jen sám. Pamatuju si, že jsem se na pánskou toaletu belhal asi 25 minut. Nevím, jak to bylo daleko, ale když dostanete chodící pomůcku, ať jsou to berle, francouzské hole, či něco dalšího (v životě jsem testoval vícekrát více modelů), chvíli to trvá, než získáte tu správnou techniku a briskně akcelerujete na maximální rychlost. Pamatuji si, jak na chodbě stály sestřičky, kouřily u okna a fandily mi, což mi v tu chvíli samozřejmě lichotilo, až zpětně mi došlo, že mě tam mohl jednou denně někdo odvézt na invalidním vozíku. Když jsem na toaletu konečně dorazil, nemohl jsem kvůli sádře až po pás zavřít dveře od kabinky. EPIC FAIL. Nedostávaly se snídaně, k obědu byl jeden kousek taveňáku a dva rohlíky, k večeři meruňkový rýžový nákyp, mám pocit, že asi každý den. Od té doby nepreferuji rýžové nákypy s ovocným kompotem z konzervy. Po několika vizitách, při kterých mě personál pochválil, jak se krásně belhám o berlích a asi týdnu, během kterého jsem naprosto ztratil představu o čase, prostoru a skvěle se desocializoval, mě nakonec pustili.

Následoval převoz do Prahy a 3 roky trvající řešení úrazu (a náprava první léčby podstoupené v nemocnici v T.), v mé oblíbené spádové fakultní nemocnici B, kde jsem byl od útlého mládí takříkajíc štamgastem.

Vždycky mi vrtalo hlavou, jak dopadly další pacienti v obvodní nemocnici T., které jsem tam na našem pokoji zanechal. Taky mi vrtalo hlavou, co se stalo s paní doktorkou, která mě rovnala a sádrovala nohu a dalšími lékaři a zdravotními sestrami a dalšími, co museli v tom domě hrůzy pracovat stovky a stovky hodin neplacených přesčasů ročně za naprosto směšné peníze. Já bych po měsíci zvážil změnu kariéry, nebo ukončení pracovního poměru skokem z kuřáckého okna na dvůr. Pardon, nevkusný vtip. Nejvíc mi je zpětně líto mých rodičů, kteří si všechno uvědomovali a nemohli dělat vůbec nic.

To všechno mi, jak se to stává často, během několika vteřin problesklo hlavou. Vždycky to uvádím jako veselou příhodu z 90. let, s tím, že nic takového už se dneska přece nestane.

Kamarádka se během posledního roku a půl řešení svého únavového syndromu propracovala přes fyziologická vyšetření až k psychiatrovi. Na základě odhadu, že trpí poruchou, kterou si obvykle nespojujeme s tím, že je téměř stále veselá, společenská, má ráda lidi kolem sebe a pořád něco tvoři, nasadil lékař psychofarmaka. Jejich efektem však bylo, že symptomy zhoršovala. Když chodíte k lékaři, je těžké vychytat moment, v němž začnete výrazně nesouhlasit, ale pokud spíte několik měsíců občas i 20 hodin denně a lékař Vám tvrdí, že si prostě musíte na léky zvyknout, už to s Vámi může pohnout ke kalifikovanému nesouhlasu. Správnost tohoto rozhodnutí potvrdil kamarádce i její současný, nový psychiatr.

Když jsem si na lyžích dalším rotačním zraněním přetrhal vazy, tentokrát v pravém koleni, bylo mi již 25 a za pomoci dostupných analgetik v tekuté podobě jsem zatnul zuby a nechal se odvézt moji partnerkou přímo do spádové fakultní nemocnice B. Což není úplně fér, jelikož obvodní nemocnice T. se podle všeho výrazně zlepšila a náš starý pokoj bych už teda určitě nepoznal.

Jaké máte zkušenosti se svým vlastním rozhodování o své lékařské péči Vy? Zažili jste z hlediska zdravotní péče něco, co byste jako pacienti zpětně udělali jinak? Myslíte si, že můžeme lékařům a sestrám jako pacienti nějak pomoct ke zlepšení jejich situace a systému zdravotnictví?"
2,53607,2019-05-17T07:12:56.114Z,9893,0,14,13,5,0,0,72.8,53423,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"Moc vám děkuji, že jste se o to podělili se spoustou emocí.
Plně poznávám sebe a lidi z mého okolí v devadesátých letech ve veřejné nemocnici. Vlastně jsem o tom před časem také psala.

_Zkrácená verze je tato: jednomu z bratrů mého nejlepšího kamaráda byla diagnostikována rakovina varlat. Zatímco musel dlouhé hodiny čeanon3213561856 na rumunských nemocničních chodbách, cítil, že jeho morálka klesá ještě předtím, než se vydal na bolestivou cestu, kterou léčba rakoviny je. Vzhledem k tomu, že má i maďarské občanství, okamžitě si vybral kliniku v Budapešti (také veřejnou) - tišší a s větším zájmem o blaho pacientů, jak fyzické, tak duševní. Nejvíc mě zarazilo, když jsem viděl, jak moje kamarádka vozí svého bratra 6 hodin každý druhý týden po mnoho měsíců, opakujíc to v cyklech, dokud nemoc neustoupila. Investice jejího vlastního času, kdy ho vystavovala této únavné jízdě, byla mnohem vhodnější volbou než ho vystavovat systémové zdravotní péči._
[- source](https://edgeryders.eu/t/when-do-you-decide-that-running-from-a-failed-medical-system-is-no-longer-an-option/652)

Bohužel se často setkávám s tím, že alespoň u komplikovaných nemocí a chirurgických zákroků si lidé vybírají kliniky v zahraničí, pokud si to mohou dovolit - zejména ve Vídni. Špatný zdravotní a vzdělávací systém v zemi jsou jako morové rány. Je těžké k tomu najít řešení, ale pokud to jde, tak je to lepší obejít."
3,55892,2019-06-29T17:56:24.405Z,9893,0,9,8,1,0,0,36.8,53423,anon4062071924,anon3353600255,"anon2649858692mi, super příspěvek, v jiném vlákně jsem popisoval podobnou zkušenost, jako Jirka výše - nešlo ovšem o 90. léta, ale o současnost - upřímně mě nikdy nenapadlo, že bych si mohl dovolit se nechat ošetřit jinde, než v ČR (byť by třeba výsledek byl uspokojivější). Asi bych si to dovolit nemohl, ale hlavně bych si to nedovolil - myslím, že když budeme vytvářet poptávku po kvalitnějších službách, dočkáme se jejich zlepšení a nebudeme muset ""utíanon3213561856 za lepším do zahraničí"". Přijde mi, že například debata o dvojí kvalitě potravin v rámci EU, se stala celospolečenským tématem, které, doufám, přinese lepší ovoce. Nejen to. Ale klidně doslova!"
1,55830,2019-06-28T09:04:18.326Z,10252,0,37,36,43,0,0,282.4,55830,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"_Latest version 28th June 2019. Open to comments._ 

POPREBEL is funded by the European Commission under the Horizon 2020 framework program for research (grant number 822682). Its community, which we warmly denominate &lsquo;Wellbeing in Europe&rsquo;, is the community we are building in symbiosis with the research project. It is a collective effort to understand the ways in which citizens in various European countries live, work, and participate in society during times of populism on the rise. It is a platform to share stories, ideas and insights, make new connections, coordinate the work. It is a diverse group of people of all ages, genders, income levels, political ideologies etc., mainly in Central and Eastern Europe but not limited to it. It is a process that brings people together, virtually or physically, to share, inspire, connect and collaborate effectively. Out of this will emerge new ideas, new solutions and new connections that benefit all.

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2,55868,2019-06-28T17:02:21.953Z,10252,0,10,9,0,0,0,2.0,55830,anon2661411812,anon2446385507,"As this is an official document, you probably want to pin it to the top of its category. And probably to link it from the category description, in the part that is visible at the top of the category list page, without clicking ""Show more""."
3,55918,2019-07-01T08:58:59.346Z,10252,0,26,25,1,0,0,10.2,55830,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,
4,55921,2019-07-01T09:05:25.672Z,10252,0,9,8,0,0,0,16.8,55868,anon2446385507,anon2661411812,"Thanks, I added it to Wellbeing in Europe main description and International subcat description.
Next step will be to translate it in all the languages."
1,53702,2019-05-21T06:17:04.242Z,9937,0,13,12,14,0,0,162.6,53702,anon2495109874,anon2495109874,"<image here> 
 

Kamarádka z Batumi (Gruzie) mi řekla, že navštívila většinu kostelů v Praze, aby našla klid a atmosféru komunity. I když seděla mezi ostatními lidmi, modlila se v naprostém tichu a samotě. Jak jsem později zjistila, moje kamarádka není zamilovaná do samoty. Jako expat, (nebo migrantka) pracující pro prosperující nadnárodní společnost v hlavním městě České republiky má méně volného času na socializaci. 

**Aniž by měla finanční problémy, má jaksi pocit, že nedostála společenským standardům úspěchu, zejména co se týče očekávání v soukromém životě.**  **Žít svůj soukromý život ve stínu pronajaté garsonky v hluboké osamělosti není ideální životní styl, o jakém by se člověku po třicítce mohlo zdát.** 
 Kromě kontaktů s lidmi v souvislosti s prací se její nepracovní život řídí standardizovaným vzorem: nakupuje v samoobsluze, půl hodiny sleduje BBC, v sedm večer večeří o samotě a večer se modlí v posteli, než jde v deset spát. Moje kamarádka není příliš nábožensky založená, ale kvůli dětské nostalgii – hlavně náboženství praktikující babičku a nejlepšího přítele a bratrance z dětství, který se stal pravoslavným knězem – ráda chodí do kostela, do jakéhokoliv. Vzpomíná si, že jednou zašla do velmi příjemného kostela v jednom dánském městě, kde spolu obědvali lidé z různých náboženských prostředí a zemí u velkého společného stolu. Sedět u stolu s lidmi, které neznáte ani si nevybíráte, a spřátelit se u jídla či piva bylo hlavním cílem tohoto srazu organizovaného církví, která si říká „dům pro občany“. Další moje kamarádka vzpomíná na sílu socializace tím, že cituje svého profesora, který kdysi řekl: ""Ježíš se poflakuje s Abrahámem a Mohamedem a diskutují u piva (taky!), kdo z nich je ten Pravý a Jediný, protože všichni tři kandidují na stejnou pozici. Víte co, obvyklá politika…” 

Co může církev udělat pro uspokojení duchovních potřeb těch, kteří nejsou z ""našeho vnitřního kruhu""?"
2,53794,2019-05-23T11:10:31.306Z,9937,0,5,4,0,0,0,1.0,53702,anon2446385507,anon2495109874,"@anon2495109874 I edited and formatted a bit your post, hope that's ok! 
PS This reply is with Toggle Whisper, an option we get in the comment editor which makes this only visible to site admins and moderators."
3,53795,2019-05-23T11:17:57.026Z,9937,2,10,9,1,0,0,62.0,53702,anon2446385507,anon2495109874,"Tento příběh mi připomíná kamarádku, který žije v Bělehradě. Říká, že společenský život je trochu těžký, pokud nemluvíte místním jazykem a všichni ostatní expati jsou tam jen na chvíli, což ztěžuje vlastní přizpůsobení.
Její volba nebyla církev nebo modlitba, ale záliby - vzít si lekce soudobého tance, který kdysi dělala, když žila v Bukurešti.

Co tedy Vaše přítelkyně dělá, když samotná modlitba nepomůže?
Výjimečně může občas fungovat i dobrovolnictví prostřednictvím církví, považujete to za prospěšné? Tam může být menší tlak. Zdá se, že tento případ z Nizozemska je téměř neuvěřitelný: 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dutch-church-marathon-97-day-mass-armenian-refugee-family-tamrazyan-netherlands/

![24|506x689](upload://iBu5v0i5GgmCnjkLseNUIOl1WI0.jpg)"
4,53799,2019-05-23T12:04:12.000Z,9937,0,8,7,6,0,0,31.6,53795,anon2495109874,anon2446385507,@anon2649858692mi that is great! thank you!
5,55754,2019-06-26T12:40:21.078Z,9937,0,9,8,1,0,0,21.8,53795,anon2495109874,anon2446385507,"@anon2649858692mi,
V našem východoevropském kontextu bohužel severoevropský příklad nefunguje, protože náboženství/církve jsou úzce spojeny s nacionalismem. V tomto duchu není církev ""Go'd house"" nebo dům každého věřícího, ale církev národa."
6,55756,2019-06-26T13:38:47.963Z,9937,0,8,7,127,0,0,646.6,53702,anon2495109874,anon2495109874,"Myslím si, že možná cesta k jejich řešení je ekumenický způsob vystupování a chápání víry ve vztahu k morálce (i když pro mnoho lidí morálka nutně nezávisí na náboženské/duchovní víře). Tato perspektiva by mohla pěstovat empatii, soucit a především vzájemnost. Ve světle této občanské a politické filozofie vzájemnosti může vzájemná výměna mezi těmi, kdo patří k odlišným náboženským tradicím, podpořit duševní blahobyt. Nakonec ""náboženství"" udělalo jen málo pro to, aby zabránilo neštěstí, metafyzické osamělosti, násilí a sociální, politické, ekonomické a epistemické nespravedlnosti (viz [http://churchandstate.org.uk/.../religion-has-done.../…](http://churchandstate.org.uk/.../religion-has-done.../%E2%80%A6)). Předpokládám, že tuto politickou filozofii reciprocity zdvojnásobuje ""nová srovnávací teologie"", kterou každý jen tak nepřijme. Zdá se, že to, co křesťanům chybí, je přijímání jiných náboženských tradic (i když nejen křesťanů). Líbí se mi tento krátký článek argumentující tímto způsobem: https://publicorthodoxy.org/.../orthodoxy-and-new.../. Hlavní myšlenkou je, že ""nová srovnávací teologie"", jak byla pojmenována, je konfesní teologie, která se snaží prozkoumat význam vlastní náboženské tradice kritickým zkoumáním jiné či jiných aspektů. Přestože využívá nejsofistikovanější znalosti pocházející z těchto tradic, nejedná se o nezaujaté úsilí, kdy se ten kdo srovnává snaží zastřít reálná tvrzení svého vlastního náboženského světonázoru. Spíše se jedná o mravenčí práci, kdy autor překračuje vlastní tradici, klade otázky na texty či náboženské praktiky, hledá korelace a neotřelé postřehy, pak se vrací, aby prozkoumal, co bylo při tom objeveno… Stručně řečeno: Do jaké míry náboženská pluralita posiluje pojem Boha, který zahrnuje ""všechny lidi"" (bez ohledu na jejich náboženskou tradici)? Může nám toto pojetí Boha pomoci lépe porozumět „novým morálním kodexům“ přizpůsobeným současným potřebám a obavám?"
1,55535,2019-06-21T07:51:03.507Z,10204,0,14,13,2,0,0,27.8,55535,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hello all,

We will be dedicating the remaining of June to discovering great people and projects in and around the Czech Republic who can join our team and mobilize others to share stories of wellbeing..

We need all the support of the network, no matter where you are based, maybe you know someone who knows someone who is active in this part of the world. Please share this call widely:

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edgeryders-najimaji-lokalni-mediatory/10202

# Social media status updates

_Do you know anyone in #CzechRepublic who would enjoy connecting their community to an international network? http://bit.ly/2ZBLP7y_

_Open position for a #Czech community builder to join the project Wellbeing in Europe! Deadline for applications 30 June! http://bit.ly/2ZBLP7y_

_New job application: How are you living through the Czech healthcare system? Share your story with the EdgeRyders community and work with a fantastic team! http://bit.ly/2ZBLP7y_

_Interested in a new, online-offline community connector job? EdgeRyders are looking for Czech wonder people. Learn more at the next Virtual Cafe! https://www.facebook.com/events/2204512262974534/_

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2,55536,2019-06-21T07:52:47.585Z,10204,1,11,10,1,0,0,42.2,55535,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"@anon3589994963 @anon757878494 this is what we have so far, please help!
I made it into a wiki, so feel free to remix and change the status updates. I will ping everyone in the team to get help, in addition to you manning the official channels."
3,55539,2019-06-21T08:28:58.139Z,10204,1,9,8,1,0,0,26.8,55536,anon3589994963,anon2446385507,"I have a few comments, but totally immersed in doing digital outreach for zeg festival in tbilisi today and tomorrow.... when do you need edits by? I can make/find time if it's needs to go out now ;)"
4,55541,2019-06-21T08:37:03.129Z,10204,0,10,9,1,0,0,22.0,55539,anon2446385507,anon3589994963,"What's important is that it goes out, use this or not, after all you guys are in charge.

Wanted to share and help, if you see something wrong here just edit/ give me a heads up, and if you have time to add your own messaging, especially in Czech, so we can learn/ borrow better stuff, great."
5,55666,2019-06-25T07:32:19.133Z,10204,1,10,9,1,0,0,27.0,55535,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,@anon4110936133 @anon3353600255 @anon2495109874 @anon919507725 @anon3379710332 @anon2979239943 @anon
6,55669,2019-06-25T07:46:49.480Z,10204,0,10,9,1,0,0,52.0,55666,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,Already did and I already got a very promising response;)
1,55294,2019-06-17T12:18:06.436Z,10173,2,13,12,2,0,0,22.6,55294,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej @anon1812918160 @anon1430716239 @anon2693311786 i @anon1341647036 - jesteśmy w burzliwym procesie wybierania, daliście nam trudne zadanie, więc poczekajcie proszę jeszcze jeden dzień i odezwiemy się do was jutro."
2,55295,2019-06-17T12:50:00.000Z,10173,0,14,13,1,0,0,7.8,55294,anon1430716239,anon3593942245,"Ok.
Pozdrawiam,

Magda

pon., 17.06.2019, 14:28 użytkownik Natalia Skoczylas via Edgeryders <contact@anon"
3,55303,2019-06-17T13:48:51.000Z,10173,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,55294,anon1341647036,anon3593942245,"Hej,

Rozumiem, Ok. :)

dobrego dnia!

K."
4,55304,2019-06-17T13:59:28.947Z,10173,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,55294,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Kto wie, może do jutra okaże się, że potrzebujecie cztery osoby :D"
5,55398,2019-06-19T04:51:47.286Z,10173,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,55294,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,Dam znać do piątku najpóźniej! dzięki za cierpliwość
6,55470,2019-06-20T08:08:11.394Z,10173,1,8,7,1,0,0,26.6,55294,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Moi drodzy, niestety nie znalazłam budżetu na wszystkich, chociaż próbowałam! Zdecydowaliśmy się na zanon1235093333nę warunków, trochę mniejszą stawkę i zatrudnienie w tym roku @anon2693311786 i @anon1812918160 - będziecie razem pracowali w swoich miejscowościach z lokalnymi społecznościami i myślę, że skręcicie jakiś naprawdę dobry event w listopadzie razem. 

Będziemy zatrudniali jeszcze jedną osobę w następnym roku w podobnym charakterze - więc wtedy na pewno odezwiemy się do jednej z was @anon1341647036 i @anon1430716239. 

Chciałabym też zapytać, czy nie byłybyście zainteresowane prowadzeniem sesji albo warsztatu na przyszłych wydarzeniach? To byłaby dla nas dobra okazja, żeby spotkać się i pracować dalej. 

Inną propozycją jest poprowadzenie z nami polskiej kawiarenki online na temat, który was gryzie/kręci/interesuje - i chcecie spotkać się z osobami, które robią coś podobnego. Chcemy prowadzić takie kawiarenki regularnie i byłoby ekstra mieć was dwie jako ekspertki do prowadzenia rozmowy. Ja poanon1547754019m z organizacją i znalezieniem właściwych osób, żeby to było ciekawe spotkanie dla każdego z nas. Możemy w ten sposób zbudować pod-społeczność na edgeryders dedykowaną czemuś, co jest wam bardzo bliskie - a potem, na tej podstawie, kawałek programu do listopadowego wydarzenia, w którym spotkamy się głębiej i osobiście rozważyć i rozwiązać te problemy. Co wy na to? 

Dziękuję wam ogromnie za czas, energię, udział w dyskusji i ogólną edgerydersowskość. Mam nadzieje, że z nami zostaniecie - tu zawsze są jakieś ciekawe oferty i niespodzianki dla członków społeczności :) I jeśli macie jakieś inne propozycje albo pomysły, w jaki sposób moglibyśmy współpracować w przyszłości, to podzielcie się i pomyślimy, jak je razem zrealizować."
7,55480,2019-06-20T09:32:31.847Z,10173,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,55294,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,Bardzo sie ciesze! :)
8,55543,2019-06-21T09:19:20.721Z,10173,0,7,6,1,0,0,21.4,55470,anon1341647036,anon3593942245,"Cześć,

Jeśli chodzi o przyszłe wydarzenia jestem jak najbardziej na tak. Na platformie zostanę bo to bardzo fajna i ciekawa społeczność. Pozdrawiam i życzę Wam wszystkich sukcesów przy organizacji aktualnego wydarzenia! :)"
1,53685,2019-05-20T17:00:21.925Z,9935,0,22,21,19,0,0,159.4,53685,anon919507725,anon919507725,"Predsednik Srbije Aleksandar Vučić poznat je kao neko ko često daje izjave koje se kose sa realnošću. Ovog puta otišao je i korak dalje.

Iako je uobičajno da hvali ekonomiju Srbije više od bilo koje na svetu, sada je pohvalio i nešto drugo.

Predsednik je rekao da se u Srbiji živi bolje nego u Nemačkoj.

„Odgovorno kažem i tvrdim da se u Srbiji živi i zarađuje bolje nego u Nemačkoj. Jer, vidite… Nemac će možda i da zaradi tih 1200, 1300 evra. Srbin će zaraditi 500. Da, ali Srbin na račune da 20.000 dinara i ostane mu za hranu, obuću i ostalo, ali Nemac mora za stan da izdvoji i do 900 evra. Hrana je tamo mnogo skuplja, ujedno računi za struju, telefon, internet, registracija za kola. Ne živi se tamo toliko bajno.“ – rekao je Vučić.

Tviteraši su naravno počeli masovno da se “sprdaju” sa Vučićem uz komentar da je na granici primećeno dota Nemaca koji traže srpsko državljanstvo i posao u Beogradu.

Istini za volju, cene hrane, odeće i obuće u Nemačkoj su za 30-40% niže nego u Srbiji. O kvalitetu da ne govorimo. (Dnevni zurnal, Srbija danas)"
2,54191,2019-05-30T05:27:11.487Z,9935,0,18,17,1,0,0,23.6,53685,anon1775928863,anon919507725,"Zdravo Supernova, na žalost, činjenica da institucijom države Srbije upravlja čovek koji je uspeo da istovremeno obesmisli, ponizi i napravi sprdnju od te iste države, neće pomoći u kreiranju mehanizama za uklanjanje takvog opasnog fenomena. Nije ovaj naš jedini, u Crnoj Gori sličan ološ sedi već 30 godina, u Albaniji 15ak, na Kosovu nekoliko, Mađarska nije daleko, izbori za evropski parlament dosta rečito govore o zanimljivoj političkoj sadašnjosti koju živimo. Pokušaji političkih hipstera da kontra sprdnjom i šalom na račun ovih opasnih ljudi naprave promenu samo normalizuju njihovu autoritarnost. Nemam rešenje."
3,55119,2019-06-14T00:09:07.169Z,9935,0,16,15,2,0,0,58.2,53685,anon183681331,anon919507725,"U potpunosti se slažem s tobom, Zmuc. Toliko je besmisla u ovoj državi da se nekad zapitam:""a da nismo mi u nekoj skrivenoj kameri?!"" Drugo objašnjenje nemam. Predsednik Vučić je ne malo puta imao slične izjave i može se reći da ih ima svakodnevno. Prosto ne vidim više svrhu komentarisati bilo šta što on izjavi, jer sama činjenica da u toku dana ima 3 ili 4 specijalnih obraćanja naciji govori da nam Predsednik nije baš sasvim svoj. Zamislite jednog Trampa, jednog Putina, Makrona ili Merkelovu da za svaku sitnicu sazivaju konferenciju za štampu. Van svake pameti. 
A što se tiče konkretno te izjave o zaradi u Srbiji i Nemačkoj mogu da kažem sledeće:""Niti Nemac ima 1200e, niti Srbin ima 500e."" Toliko."
4,55325,2019-06-17T21:27:05.008Z,9935,0,13,12,2,0,0,12.6,53685,anon919507725,anon919507725,"Pogledajte ovo!

https://pescanik.net/sta-znaci-prosecna-zarada-ako-je-vecina-nema/"
1,55150,2019-06-14T12:46:47.178Z,10153,0,15,14,17,0,0,88.0,55150,anon299151423,anon299151423,"<image here> 
 

Sytuacja na rynku pracy wcale nie jest tak dobra jak przedstawiają to media. To prawda, że bezrobocie się u nas zmniejszyło, ale jest to wynik wielu czynników m.in tego, że mnóstwo osób wyjechało do pracy zagranicę, przybyło mnóstwo emigrantów zarobkowych z Ukrainy zasilających nasz rynek pracy. Więc to niskie bezrobocie jest wykreowane zewnętrznie a nie działaniami wewnętrznymi. 

Trzeba też zdawać sobie sprawę, że  marzeniem Ukraińców nie jest praca w Polsce tylko rynek niemiecki więc tylko jak dostaną zielone światło będą kierować się w tamtą stronę i to nasze chwilowe prosperity się skończy. Słyszałam, że rząd ma pomysł, żeby zalepić tą dziurę Filipińczykami, Hindusami czyli znowu zewnętrzną siłą roboczą, którą można łatwo eksploatować. 

A co się dzieje wewnętrznie? Nadal w Polsce są miejsca gdzie to bezrobocie jest bardzo wysokie i sięga powyżej 20%. Cały czas brakuje sensownych rozwiązań dla rodzimych przedsiębiorców a rozdawanie pieniędzy na różne programy „+” potęguje tylko tą sytuację. Za mało inwestuje się w nowe technologie, w efektywną edukację, nadal przedsiębiorca czy podatnik na wejściu traktowany jest jak oszust, rzuca mu się pod nogi kłody tak, że ogólnie jest bardzo trudno utrzymać głowę na powierzchni i prowadzić w Polsce firmę. Główną przeszkodą dla przedsiębiorców są bardzo wysokie koszty pracy, wysokie podatki, ogromnie rozbudowana biurokracja oraz brak odpowiednio wykwalifikowanych pracowników np. bardzo brakuje specjalistów od IT. To powoduje, że firmy nie mogą się rozwijać. 

Urzędy Pracy to jakieś relikty przeszłości, które nie wiadomo po co są. Osobiście nie znam nikogo kto by znalazł zatrudnienie przez Urząd Pracy.  Jeszcze odnośnie systemu edukacji, który ma przygotowywać ludzi do wejścia na rynek pracy. To też jest klapa. Teraz prawie każdy kończy studia co w efekcie prowadzi do tego, że mamy całe armie ludzi z dyplomami ale często bez konkretnych zdolności czy umiejętności, nieumiejących myśleć niezależnie i krytycznie. To powoduje, że slogany pt. „skończ studia znajdziesz dobrą pracę” są mitem. Edukacja u nas nie nadąża lub nie jest dopasowana do rynku pracy to powoduje, że oczekiwania młodych ludzi są niespełnione a to rodzi ogromną frustrację. A przekwalifikować się jest nie jest prosto. 

Mówi się, że w następnych latach ludzie będą kilkakrotnie zmieniać zawód, są na ten temat różne raporty, artykuły ale ja tego u nas nie wiedzę. Brakuje jakiegoś systemowego podejścia do tych przekwalifikowań. Wystarczy popatrzeć na ogłoszenia o pracę. Jest niewiele ogłoszeń elastycznych odnoszących się do zestawów  kompetencji w zaanon1235093333n mamy „5 lat na stanowisku kierowniczym, po ekonomii lub zarządzaniu”. Jeśli jesteś  osobą w wieku 30+ to oczekują od ciebie paru lat doświadczenia, więc nie ma tu miejsca na to, że „my cię przeszkolimy, wdrożymy w nowe zadania”. Przez co ludzie choć mają obiektywne cechy, kompetencje czy jakieś początkowe i dobrze rokujące umiejętności nie dostają takiej szansy na zanon1235093333nę i z związku z tym tkwią latami na tych samych stanowiskach. 

Sama jestem chyba też ”ofiarą” takiej sytuacji. Jestem event menagerem. Praca jest ogólnie ok, ale po 5 latach chciałabym już robić coś innego, nie chcę już wyjeżdżać tak często, ani pracować wieczorami lub w weekendy. Wysyłam CV w odpowiedzi na ogłoszenia typu koordynator projektu np. edukacyjnego, asystentkę zarządu w różnych firmach i ten odzew jest słaby. Byłam na 7 rozmowach ale nie zostałam przyjęta. Nie otrzymałam żadnego feedbacku więc nie wiem dlaczego tak się stało. Z drugiej strony oferowane zarobki w tych zawodach oscylują pomiędzy 3000 maksymalnie 4000 zł netto więc to jest to mniej niż zarabiam aktualnie. Biorąc pod uwagę jak ten rynek u nas jest skonstruowany wydaje mi się, że powinnam zainwestować w jakieś dobre studia podyplomowe lub bardzo specjalistyczny kurs np. w obszarze grafiki lub zarządzania projektami a potem szukać pracy po znajomości bo wtedy jest szansa, że ktoś mi zaufa bez tych 5 lat doświadczenia. 

Ogólnie myślę, że sytuacja na rynku dla osób 30+ (np. ktoś nie trafił ze studiami i chce coś z tym fantem zrobić) a szczególnie 40+ nie jest dobra w kontekście przekwalifikowywania się i budowania second career. Mówi się o uczeniu się przez całe życie, są różne platformy, nawet darmowe kursy ale mam poczucie, że to się dzieje gdzieś indziej, że gdzie indziej jest promowane i doceniane. A szkoda bo to rzesze ludzi stoi w miejscu. Według mnie zdecydowanie brakuje doradztwa w zakresie jak się przekwalifikować, żeby wykonywać satysfakcjonującą pracę i wykorzystywać swoje talenty, jak mądrze wybrać coś z oferty edukacyjnej żeby się sensownie doszkolić. A z drugiej strony na takich pracowników musi być popyt, musiałaby zajść zanon1235093333na w podejściu pracodawców w kierunku większej elastyczności. 

Był taki moment, że myślałam, żeby przejść na własną działalność gospodarczą ale u nas jest to droga ”impreza”. Po dwóch latach preferencyjnych składek koszty prowadzenia firmy zaczynają się bardzo wysokie. Nie ma praktycznie żadnych ulg, dofinansowań, które pomogłyby rozwijać się takiej działalności. W związku z czym siedzę cicho na etacie, w ramach którego co miesiąc mam zabierane 30% pensji, nie wspominając o tym, że łączny koszt pracodawcy, który mnie zatrudnia wynosi prawie 60%. Mam wrażenie, że ludziom, którzy chcą coś robić, działać, zatrudniać samych siebie czy innych już nawet nie o to chodzi, że się nie poanon1547754019 tylko bardzo przeszkadza. Jest to bardzo deprymujące i w gruncie rzeczy druzgocące, że rząd (i poprzedni i ten) w taki sposób traktuje samodzielne inicjatywy i branie za siebie odpowiedzialności. To rodzi poczucie totalnej bezsilności, odbijania się od ścian.

Dlatego rozumiem, że niektóre postulaty Korwina czy poglądy Cejrowskiego (choć to nie polityk) dotyczące liberalizacji gospodarki, wolności zatrudnienia/działania bardzo do części osób przemawiają. Oczywiście są radyklane a czasami wręcz szokujące (np. wypowiedzi odnośnie zabrania praw wyborczych kobietom)  lub część z nich nie jest możliwa do wdrożenia w kształcie jaki obydwaj proponują (np. zniesienie podatków, likwidacja ZUS-u) ale stanowią przeciwwagę w stosunku do tego co proponowało wcześniej PO czy teraz PIS w kontekście społeczno-gospodarczym. Aktualnie na tej scenie jest pewnego rodzaju marazm. Wybór jest mizerny. PIS jest bardzo skuteczny bo jest konsekwentny w swoich działaniach, PO to takie rozmyte nie wiadomo co, popełniające gafy i ma różne głupie wpadki, to są ludzie oderwanymi od społeczeństwa, nie mają żadnego sensownego, konkretnego planu czy rozwiązań. Dlatego jakimś wyjściem z tej sytuacji, opcją wydała mi się Wiosna i w ostatnich wyborach do parlamentu europejskiego głosowałam na Biedronia bo chcę żeby reprezentował nasze interesy ktoś kto jest tolerancyjny, szanujący różne grupy społeczne i promujący wolność wyborów czyli wartości, które są mi zdecydowanie bliskie i na, których można budować działania, które mają większą szansę powodzenia. To też jest jakiś głos przeciwko nacjonalizmowi, który funduje nam aktualnie PIS. 

Wiem, że  program gospodarczy Biedronia jest słaby ale są tam  jakieś wątki pro biznesowe np. zniesienie kontroli skarbowej w małych przedsiębiorstwach. Jednak dla mnie ta rozgrywka szła o co innego; o światopogląd, o bycie otwartym europejskim państwem, o odtrutkę na ten nacjonalizm, przeciwstawienie się tym, którzy na każdym kroku mówią nam jak mamy żyć nawet w kwestiach bardzo intymnych. Zdaję sobie sprawę, że część ich postulatów jest mało realna w naszej rzeczywistości (zamknięcie wszystkich kopalń do 2035r., czy zawieranie małżeństw jednopłciowych- choć tu niezłym przykładem jest Irlandia- niemożliwe stało się możliwe 😊) ale wg. mnie trzeba próbować i pokazywać poparcie dla tego rodzaju polityków. 

Mam też wrażenie, że procentowo na tej wolności działania wcale nie zależy zbyt wielu ludziom. Polski nie było na mapie przez 123 lata, potem wiadomo co było; socrealizm itd. Cały czas byliśmy, żeby to ująć w anon1235093333rę delianon3213561856nie trzymani za „twarz” jako naród i wielu ludziom mimo wszystko dalej to odpowiada. Ci ludzie nie umieją lub nie chcą korzystać z tej wolności, nie potrafią być samodzielni, na pewnych rzeczach im nie zależy, nie rozumieją podstawowych praw ekonomii, zasad działania budżetu państwa, w gruncie rzeczy nie znają się na polityce tylko ślepo idą za tym, kto rzuci jakiś ochłap. Wolą dostawać cokolwiek bez względu na koszty ekonomiczne niż się zbuntować, działać, myśleć krytycznie. 

My cały czas uczymy się tej demokracji, (która paradoksalnie jest trudna) samoświadomości i idzie nam to dosyć powoli. Szczególnie, że promowane i dotowane są postawy bierne. Czasami zastanawiam się czy można to zmienić. Myślę, że tak ale zaczynając od podstaw a więc edukacji i to idąc od początku czyli od przedszkola a potem dalej na kolejnych etapach; ucząc ludzi krytycznego myślenia, odpowiedzialności, współpracy i postaw pro-społecznych. Niestety w tym aspekcie też nie jest u nas zbyt dobrze i mamy to co mamy, ale właśnie w edukacji w głównej mierze opieram szansę na zaanon1235093333ny choć to niestety zajmuje długie lata."
2,55212,2019-06-15T09:12:09.293Z,10153,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,55150,anon3593942245,anon299151423,Catalinas application text
3,55297,2019-06-17T13:09:19.072Z,10153,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,55212,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Ok.. It would help if you can assign it to Wellbeing - Polsce subcat + format a bit the text, it's really hard to read. Not to mention lack of images :-("
4,55299,2019-06-17T13:22:44.328Z,10153,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,55150,anon2446385507,anon299151423,"Miło cię poznać @anon

Może ci się spodobać historia o tym, jak @anon1487287987 założyła własną firmę i...wróciła na etat. Zachęcam do przeczytania, może masz jej coś do powiedzenia? 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/prowadzenie-jednoosobowej-dzialalnosci-gospodarczej-w-polsce/10049"
5,55308,2019-06-17T14:23:04.017Z,10153,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,55150,anon3593942245,anon299151423,"Hej Paula! witamy w edgeryders - ciekawie jest czytać historie kobiet robiących karierę w Polsce (mamy wspomnianą już @anon1487287987 czy @anon616153527, która wyjątkowo boleśnie odczuła brak opieki nad zaradnymi, przedsiębiorczymi osobami w Polsce. Bardzo mnie to ciekawi - jako generacja 30-latków, wyrastaliśmy w kulcie własnego biznesu, samodzielności, i w przeświadczeniu, że Polska promuje takie osoby i daje mi możliwości. PO malowało się na sojusznika samodzielnych, wykształconych Polaków i Polek -  a teraz widzę, po znajomych, którzy zostali w Polsce, że owszem, da się, ale jest cięzko, i często jest daleko od wyobrażeń. Czekają ich dekady kredytów, niepewne zatrudnienia, czasami naprawdę śmieszne stawki (w Lublinie one po prostu utkneły 10 lat temu). 

Zastanawia mnie Twoje spostrzeżenie na temat tej bezradności Polaków, tego, jacy jesteśmy bierni i bezkrytyczni. I czy faktycznie te zaborowe historie i innne okupacje wpłynęły tak na Polskiego ducha, a może jest to coś innego? Zastanawiam się, jaki wpływ anon1235093333ły na nasze pokolenie lata 90-te, kiedy mit wydobywacza złota w Polsce rozkwitł i wszystko chwilowo wydawało się możliwe, a potem szybko nie było, dla wielu. Nie wiem, czy masz jakieś przemyślenia na ten temat, może kompletnie majaczę, ale byłoby ciekawie poznać głębiej Twoje zdanie. Dzieki wielkie!"
6,55311,2019-06-17T17:37:26.630Z,10153,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,55308,anon299151423,anon3593942245,"Hej,

najgorzej jest, że ta samodzielność w kontekście prowadzenia własnego biznesu jest bardzo trudna. Szczególnie jeśli chce się iść uczciwą drogą, bez jakichś przekręcików i na skróty. Myślę, że grupa 30-40+ jest traktowana jak taki wielbłąd lub dojna krowa. Nie ma praktycznie żadnych ulg dla tych osób odnośnie prowadzenia własnej działalności. Podatki po tych dwóch latach są ogromne, a kwota wolna od podatku zakrawa o żart. Okres lat 90-tych był ciekawy i dawał spore możliwości, był rodzajem chwilowej wolności, nowości, czy nawet lekkiego chaosu w prawie, który sprzyjał rozwijaniu się firm bo wtedy wszystko na nowo się tworzyło i nie było takiego zamordyzmu. Myślę, że spora część ludzi jest zmęczona ekwilibrystyką, którą musi wykonywać lawirując w chorych przepisach tak, żeby móc utrzymać siebie czy dać utrzymanie (miejsce pracy) swoim pracownikom. Jest taki program w Polsacie ""Państwo w Państwie"" zawsze kiedy go oglądam to robi mi się słabo. Bo historie tam pokazywane dosłownie załamują i mrożą krew w żyłach. Pokazują jak ludzie, którzy chcąc działać na własny rachunek są traktowani przez bezkarny i patologiczny system urzędów i urzędników, którzy nie szanują przepisów i litery prawa a przedsiębiorca jest traktowany jako przestępca, który za to, że chce działać ponosi kary nie tylko finansowe ale także doznaje uszczerbku na zdrowiu i psychice, (zresztą mamy w Polsce takie powiedzenie ""dorobił się to znaczy ukradł"").  Część z tych osób popełnia samobójstwa. Ogólnie wzrastający w Polsce temat samobójstw jest wręcz epidemiczny. Gro z nich popełniana jest właśnie ze względu na kłopoty finansowe, zadłużenia, trudności w spłacie kredytów a Państwo tych ludzi ani nie chroni ani im nie poanon1547754019. Co więcej momentami bardzo mocno się zastanawiam czy my na pewno żyjemy w państwie prawa. Na pewno bardzo demotywujący jest brak zaufania do obywatela. Więc cześć osób zostaje na tych swoich nudnych etatach w myśl innego powiedzenia ""bierny, mierny ale wierny""."
1,54361,2019-06-01T14:01:19.015Z,10051,0,18,17,16,0,0,143.6,54361,anon1775928863,anon1775928863,"1.	Sećam se televizijskog prenosa spuštanja na Mesec. Mutna slika sa crno belog televizora, koji je stajao na sredini sobe našeg stana u ulici Narodnog fronta, iznad bioskopa Odeon, davala je utisak izvesne budućnosti. Sa svoje dve ili tri godine bio sam sasvim siguran da je svemirsko prostranstvo veoma konačno.   
2.	Ne sećam se zašto je čistačica Ruža skoro iščupala uvo Vladi Zrelecu ali znam da je mene tukla žičanim praherom jer sam pričao za vreme odmora koji je sledovao posle ručka. Vlada, koji je postao advoanon3213561856, ubijen je 2015. godine. Ruža je tada, možda, još bila živa.
3.	Sećam se da smo Vladan Timotijević i ja, gurnuli nehotice neki NSU koji je bio parkiran u dvorištu obdaništa, izazvali sveopštu potragu milicije za huliganima iz srednje stručne škole „Nikola Tesla“, jer je automobil, koji je krenuo nizbrdo, razbio kapiju garaže. Niko nije sumnjao u dvojicu petogodišnjaka.
4.	Znam da sam roditeljima bio zahvalan što su mi rodili sestru, što su me pitali kako da se zove i što su  dozvolili da joj ime bude Ivana. I što su me naučili da okrećem pedale tricikla pre nego što sam naučio da hodam ili govorim. I što sam živeo u Africi.   
5.	Vesna je kao morski talas koji udarajući u stenu, polako nestaje, menja se i ponovo nastaje, drugačiji, lepši. Dok spava, tiho hrče i ja to hrkanje volim.
6.	U Rimu smo, vraćajući se iz Angole, dva puta odseli u pansionu Piti, velikom salonskom stanu sa petnaestak soba koji se nalazio u Via Nacionale 66. Sobarica je bila nadrndana devojka iz Splita, vlasnici su bili ljubazni stariji bračni par a mene je fascinirao proćelavi recepcioner u noćnoj smeni, koji mi je nudio jeftino belo vino i znao šta su „ća-ća-kalice“.  Jednog kasnog popodneva, sa prozora koji je gledao na unutrašnje dvorište, video sam kako se devojka koja je živela u susednoj zgradi, presvlači, skida svoju radnu odeću i gola, na sred sobe, bira šta će da obuče za izlazak, tog februara 1983.
7.	Iza naše zgrade u Porečkoj ulici bila su dva metalna rama za trešenje tepiha koji su uglavnom služili kao golovi. Ja se nisam igrao sa decom iz komšiluka i nisam igrao fudbal. Ti ramovi su bili na suprotnim krajevima betonske pravougaone staze na kojoj sam jednog dana, dok sam vozio bicikl, udario u bicikl devojčice koja nije znala da li da skrene desno ili levo. 
8.	U dvorištu mehaničarsko i auto-limarske radnje živela je porodica, zaboravio sam kako su se prezivali. Sa njima je bio pas Džeki ili Džeri, nisam siguran da li je bio njihov ili vlasnika radionice, ali bio je tu, svi su ga hranili. Lajao je, bio je dosadan i umiljat, istovremeno. Jednog dana ga je, zbog toga što je lajao, ubio milicajac, iz pištolja, u sred dana, naočigled svih nas. Džeki je samo zacvileo i umro. Jedan od majstora je uhapšen. 
9.	U snovima pokušavam da zaštitim one koje volim, da ih izvučem iz opasnosti. I to radim samo u snovima. Na javi ni sebe ni njih ne dovodim u takve situacije. Mislim da lažem kada kažem da se ne plašim smrti.
10.	Očekanon598341349ja, uglavnom, iznevere ljudi od poverenja. Oni koji poverenje nisu zaslužili ne prave takav problem. Međutim, kad sebi nisam verovao, svaki put sam opravdao to nepoverenje. 
11.	Svet nije globalno selo nego globalna palanka. 
12.	Kada počinje da se nazire poruka na ogledalu koje se magli od pare već je kasno.  
13.	Povodom sto godina od nastanka Jugoslavije: svako ko je pomislilio da ima nešto da kaže, rekao je. Rat za jugoslovensko nasleđe nije se  vodio samo zbog materijalnih resursa već, ponajviše, radi upisanon598341349ja ličnih konstrukcija u izmrcvareno tkivo te veličanstvene ideje. 
14.	Nisam borac. Ne borim se ni za ono do čega mi je stalo, makar i deklarativno, stidljiv sam i izbegavam razgovor. Za većinu onih koji nisu kao ja, glasnih i hrabrih, mislim da su preglasni i nepristojni. A onda se, kako bih kompenzovao intelektualnu nesigurnost i moralnu lenjonst, u razgovoru šalim i smejem.    
15.	Često sam, kao mali, zamišljao da ću imati sobu u kojoj živim sam, i u kojoj bih po ceo dan mogao da čitam ili igram video igrice ili, kada sam postao malo stariji, mogu da masturbiram nad slikama golih devojaka. Sve to sada imam, a da prstom nisam morao da mrdnem, nisam do toga došao sam, nisam zaradio niti se potrudio. Sve što imam, kupili su mi roditelji.  
16.	Ljudi koji imaju potrebu da kažu da ne vole da lažu su lažovi. Takvi ne rade svoj posao jer ga ne vole.
17.	Vremenom, odustajem od stvari do kojih mi je stalo. Odustao sam od umetnosti, muzike, bioskopa, jutarnjih šetnji, tuširanja hladnom i toplom vodom, prijatelja i čitanja knjiga. Mislim da spisak nije konačan. Seks mi nikad nije bio na listi prioriteta.
18.	Stidim se u ime ljudi koje poznajem kada govore o sebi. Još me je više sramota kada to čine prijatelji. Na svu sreću, to je retko, kao što su retki I prijatelji.  
19.	Krajem aprila 2019. biće tačno trideset godina kako je moj otac otišao u Mozambik. Iako mu je prvi ugovor za program obuke stručnjaka za kukuruz bio na tri godine, u Beograd se vratio tek posle dvadeset. Preskočio je vreme o kome je jedna gospođa napisala knjigu, o umetnosti I kulturi, reminescencije na devedesete. Ne znam da li ću je pročitati, verovatno ne. Od nje sam mlađi, drugačije mi je sećanje na to vreme. Šta drugo može da bude podsećanje na to u čemu ti je život prošao nego kič?
20.	Zašto ljudi pridaju toliko značaja svojim izjavama? Da li misle da je veličina tih misli vredna rasprave? Da ikog zanima šta će neko reći? (O fejsbuku) 
21.	Polovne novine čitam u nedostatku boljih sadržaja. Veoma su zanimljive pa u obilju najnovijih vesti,  biram ukoričene sindikalne novine Rad za period od 1946. do 1950. godine, jer se čine kao izvor tačnih informacija.   
22.	Žao mi je što neću videti Australiju, Argentinu i Ameriku.
23.	Mnogo puta ponavljana fraza o pogrešnim stanicama u pogrešnom vozu u sebi nosi osudu greha i nudi mogućnost iskupljenja, jer mi dozvoljava da u svakom trenutku siđem i promenim voz. Ako se kao ateista nađem u nekom vozu, kako da znam da je pogrešan? Da li imam dovoljno savesti da me upozori? Da li su stanice za svakog od putnika pogrešne?    
24.	Otromboljio mi se stomak od tromosti i kipi, odavno ne uspevam kaiš da zakopčam, dugmad se otkida. Preliva se salo preko pantalona i preko svake mere. Baš gadno. I samo je meni žao. Čekam da me nema. Tarantino je sigurno čitao Cezara. A Cezar nije imao stomačinu.
25.	Ako nam neko nešto čini a ne traži nikakvu protivuslugu da li to znači da nas nekritički podržava u tome što smo čak i kad grešimo?
26.	Osećam se kao da postajem zombi iz filmova američke B produkcije. Virus koji se nešto pre nove godine manifestovao kao običan laringitis, razvio se u suvi kašalj i kijavicu od koje mi je procurila krv na nos, svrab kože koji me s vremena na vreme tera u besomučno češanje kože srednjeg i domalog prsta desne ruke i levog stopala, a da na toalet papiru posle velike nužde ostaje krvav trag. Sve to vreme misao mi je fokusirana isključivo na sopstvenu ugroženost, osećaj bespomoćnosti i depresije, kao posledica loših životnih odluka i lenjosti. Ne znam da li ljudi pre nego postanu zombiji tako razmišljaju u filmovima američke B produkcije ali ako da, onda sam siguran da bi linearan tok njihovih misli vodio upravo tamo gde se sada nalazim.
27.	“Nasilje je i zakonito i pravedno. Kada je društveni sistem urušen nasilje se uveliko privatizuje. To se dešava zbog toga što država ima monopol nad organizovanim nasiljem. A kada ono počne da se širi tada napušta polje politike. Organizovano nasije postaje ekonomska aktivnost koje u svojoj suštini sadrži pobunu društva.” – zlikovac citira Marksa u nekom japanskom crtanom filmu.       
28.	Najlakše je poklanjati savet. To je zbog toga što savet retko ko traži. Oni koji ga ipak zatraže, retko dobiju pravi. Zato što ni davaoci ni primaoci toga nisu svesni puno je nesreće na svetu. Nešto je bolja situacijama sa receptima. Recepti nisu saveti već korisne informacije koje kombinovanjem čine život podnošljivijim, tortu ukusnijom, salatu zdravijom i decu otpornijom na nedaće koje ih u životu čekaju.   
29.	Politički hipsteraj, u pravedničkom ali bezuspešnom pokušaju da spreči kako mafijaško-tajkunsko otimanje grada tako i jednako bezuspešno omogući lokalni razvoj, postaje neprijatelj svakog političkog delovanja, pa je i njihovo odbijanje da se priključe „levom“ ili „desnom“ političkom taboru razumljivo jer: hipsteri, s jedne strane preziru radničku klasu, stare i seljake dok istovremeno svoju političku borbu temelje na aproprijaciji tuđih borbi. Upravo što se tu nema šta logički zameriti zbog pragmatičnosti takvog stava i ma koliko on bio amoralan, ironično je i ikonično da ovakva slika pragmatizma prouzrokuje nesagledivu štetu i njima i onima koji su im verovali."
2,54566,2019-06-05T08:28:53.879Z,10051,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,54361,anon2446385507,anon1775928863,"Hi @anon
Da li je ovo deo vašeg dela?"
3,54615,2019-06-06T00:30:49.254Z,10051,1,12,11,1,0,0,12.4,54361,anon1775928863,anon1775928863,"Zdravo anon2649858692mi, nisam siguran da imam jasnu ideju o tome kakve refleksije mogu da očekujem. Ovo su nekakve crtice iz života, koji može da bude sličan bilo čijem... nešto kao introductory CV. Od tih crtica, a svaka bi trebalo da razvije tokom vremena sopstveni narativ, očekujem problematizaciju Well being in Europe (morality and spirituality). Dakle, ako očekujem nešto to bi bilo nekakvo prepoznavanje, identifikaciju zajedničkih sklonosti, introspekciju na bilo kom nivou. Ne znam da li sam ti odgovorio?"
4,55286,2019-06-17T11:00:32.270Z,10051,2,11,10,1,0,0,17.2,54615,anon2446385507,anon1775928863,"Pitao sam vas jer je teško reagovati ako nema dovoljno konteksta.

Na primer, da li biste zamolili druge Srbe da podele i uspomene iz prošlih vremena, slično vašim tačkama 1-8?
Ili biste ih pitali za šta im je stalo, ali se moraju žrtvovati? (tačka 17)

Stvarno mi se sviđa kako je to uradio @anon1146465561, jer nas je pitao šta mislimo o novom moralnom kodeksu. Na sličan način za vas, on je započeo razgovor sa sopstvenim iskustvom:
https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-new-moral-code-of-21st-century/10030"
5,55288,2019-06-17T11:20:18.483Z,10051,1,11,10,1,0,0,27.2,55286,anon1146465561,anon2446385507,"@anon1775928863
Ove crtice su pojedinačno zanimljive, ali fali im kontekst priče. Imaš dara za prenošenje vrlo konkretnih slika iz tvog sećanja - nešto što mnogima koji se čak i profesionalno bave storytellingom ili to koriste u svom radu često nedostaje. Meni fali tok koji bi nama ostalima pomogao da bolje razumemo šta tačno želiš da problematizuješ u temi Wellbeing in Europe, kako bih bolje mogla da se uključim u razgovor. 

Kada sam pisala svoju priču, ja sam probala da iz mnoštva svojih iskustava i refleksija izvučem nekoliko koje su mi bile važne za jedan aspekt diskusije, iako naravno i ta diskusija može imati različite okvire i krake.  Pisala sam na engleskom jer je nas koji pišemo i govorimo i srpski za sada malo, ali bilo bi sjajno da nas bude više."
6,55306,2019-06-17T14:01:07.629Z,10051,0,11,10,1,0,0,22.2,55288,anon1775928863,anon1146465561,"Hvala na zamerkama. Volim jedan citat, možda je čak i moj, nisam siguran, a glasi - ubijte karijeru pre nego ona ubije vas. Trebalo je da se profesionalno bavim skulpturom, naime, desetak godina sam se školovao za vajara, ali avaj. Posle toga je počeo tzv. profesionalni život. Otud kontekst, koji ja podrazumevam, ostaje nerazumjiv a veoma uspešno sam ubio karijeru. Tok može biti heterogen, hronološki ili svesno nekritički, ovde pokušavam da prizovem jednog konkretnog učesnika u diskusiji kako bi nas bilo više koji govorimo istim jezikom o moćda dijametralno suprotnim vrednostima. Otkriće se tokom vremena. Eto."
7,55307,2019-06-17T14:12:10.683Z,10051,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,55286,anon1775928863,anon2446385507,"Maybe the only context is my age and gender. I am not believer, in any sense. Individual ethics transgresses both spirituality and any kind of religious feeling. I just know that whenever one talks on personal sacrifice he or she thinks on somebody else's oblation. I doubt that there is a significant difference between Serbs or any other nation."
1,55200,2019-06-14T20:08:14.191Z,10159,0,9,8,63,0,0,336.8,55200,anon3396292634,anon3396292634,"Na komisję lekarską staję co pięć lat. Członkowie komisji patrzą w opinię lekarza psychiatry i na tej podstawie przyznają świadczenie na kolejny okres.

Teoretycznie osoby w mojej sytuacji mogą pójść do pracy, jednak w praktyce często okazuje się to niemożliwe.

Dziewiętnaście lat temu zdiagnozowano u mnie schizofrenię paranoidalną. Od tamtego czasu jestem pod stałą opieką lekarską, przyjmuję dostosowane leki i dzięki temu funkcjonuję całkiem dobrze. Mam liczne grono znajomych i różne pasje, jednak wciąż czuję brak zrozumienia dla mojej sytuacji. Skończyłem studia. Mam tytuł „krytyk i promotor dzieła plastycznego”. W tamtym czasie byłem pełen entuzjazmu i szczerze dumny, że kończę studia więc na fali tego optymizmu zanosiłem swoje CV gdzie tylko mogłem: do domów kultury, galerii sztuki. Chciałem pójść do pracy zgodnej z moim wykształceniem. Jednak nikt nie odpowiedział . I oczywiście po kilku miesiącach się zniechęciłem. Okazało się, że moje umiejętności i wiedza są mało warte kiedy pracodawca widzi, że mam w orzeczeniu wpisaną chorobę psychiczną. Bardzo mnie to demotywuje, bo chciałbym być terapeutą zajęciowym. To jest moje największe marzenie. Skończyłem też stosowny kurs, jednak na chwilę obecną mam marne szanse na taką pracę. Nie poddaję się jednak, wciąż szukam takich ogłoszeń o pracę.

Widzę wyraźnie jak osoby z chorobami psychicznymi są traktowani w społeczeństwie: źle.

Ogólnie staram się myśleć pozytywnie o swojej przyszłości, ułożyć sobie życie osobiste i zdobyć jako taką niezależność, jednak jest to niebywale trudne. Mam drugą grupę inwalidzką i w takim przypadku renta wynosi dziewięćset złotych. To jest kwota poniżej minimum socjalnego w Polsce.
Tak jak wspominałem wcześniej mogę pójść do pracy i „dorobić” nawet drugie tyle. Jednak problem jest w tym, że oferowane prace są najmniej atrakcyjne: dozorca, szatniarz, praca na zmywaku w restauracji. A ja skończyłem studia, pięć lat sumiennej pracy i pokonywania swoich słabości. Setki przeczytanych książek, praca badawcza i mimo to jedyną dostępną ofertą pracy na dzień dzisiejszy jest bycie szatniarzem.

Myślę, że to wynika z kilku czynników: przede wszystkim z uprzedzeń ale też sposobu w jaki traktuje się osoby z problemami psychicznymi. Zanim poszedłem na studia chodziłem do ośrodka dziennego. I tam cały dzień wypełniały nam następujące czynności: lepienie z gliny, de coupage, zajęcia plastyczne a dla ambitniejszych kółko teatralne. Za namową przyjaciół postanowiłem zrezygnować z tych zajęć i aplikować na studia. Jednak osoby, które wciąż korzystają z takiej formy terapii nie zdobywają żadnych praktycznych umiejętności, które są przydatne w codziennym życiu. Są chowane pod kloszem i tam już zostają. Mi się udało, bo mam ogromne wsparcie w bliskich i rodzinie oraz naturalną ciekawość świata i chęć do nauki. Mam poczucie, że wiele osób, które poznałem lecząc się także ma duży potencjał jednak nie mają jak go realizować ponieważ nikt w nich nie wierzy i nie wspiera ich rozwoju intelektualnego.

Moim zdaniem takie traktowanie sprawia, że osoby z chorobami psychicznymi jeszcze bardziej się izolują od społeczeństwa. Widzę to po sobie. Jeszcze dziesięć lat temu często chodziłem na wystawy, wernisaże, koncerty. Uczestniczyłem w kulturze. Dziś czuję ogromne zniechęcenie do kontaktu z obcymi ludźmi i wolę poczytać książkę albo zagrać w planszówkę z kimś znajomym.

Jeśli chodzi o fajną, czyli satysfakcjonującą pracę, którą wykonuje osoba ze schizofrenią to znam taki jeden przypadek. Młoda kobieta, którą pamiętam ze szpitala dostała pracę na recepcji, bo lekarz prowadzący dostrzegł w niej potencjał. Z tego co wiem dobrze sobie radzi w tej pracy.

Ale to był jeden taki przypadek na prawie dwie dekady mojego leczenia. O czymś to świadczy.

_"
2,55209,2019-06-15T08:00:11.218Z,10159,0,3,2,0,0,0,0.6,55200,anon3593942245,anon3396292634,This is @anon
3,55276,2019-06-17T10:15:52.150Z,10159,0,2,1,0,0,0,0.4,55209,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,Magda or anon3396292634 (the author)?
4,55279,2019-06-17T10:42:58.288Z,10159,0,4,3,1,0,0,5.8,55200,anon2446385507,anon3396292634,"
Cześć @anon3396292634, witamy w EdgeRyders! Nazywam się anon2649858692mi i poświęcam swoje życie na łączeniu ludzi poprzez dialog i wspólną pracę nad problemami.  Podziwiam Twoją odwagę i podzielenie się tą historią, bo jak wiadomo, przyznanie się do niestabilności nie jest łatwe.
@anon1812918160 podzieliła się także niesamowitą historią choroby przewlekłej - czy coś w jej doświadczeiach brzmi dla Ciebie znajomo? Może możesz zostawić komentarz z radą lub podpowiedzią z własnego doświadczenia?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/diagnoza-wsparcie-psychologiczne-i-zycie-z-choroba-przewlekla-w-polsce/10046

Jak my, jako edgeryders, możemy Ci pomóc? Czy przyłączyłbyś się do spotkania, które organizujemy jesienią w Polsce, aby poznać innych i znaleźć nowe pomysły, współpracę i wsparcie?"
5,55280,2019-06-17T10:49:09.689Z,10159,0,2,1,0,0,0,15.4,55276,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"Magda is applying, anon3396292634 is the author of the story she brought as application :)"
1,54366,2019-06-01T19:41:18.451Z,10052,0,13,12,3,0,0,77.6,54366,anon2693311786,anon2693311786,"Cześć, tu Mikołaj!

Jako przyszłego psychoterapeutę w nurcie psychologii zorientowanej na proces (POP) zajmuje mnie bardzo tematyka nie tylko dobrostanu psychicznego jednostki, ale w równej mierze stanu ducha społeczności, której jestem częścią. Praca ze światem (worldwork), z grupami, z konfliktami, to esencja działania każdego zaangażowanego &quot;procesowca&quot;.

Jako, że przyszło mi urodzić się i żyć w Polsce to właśnie mój kraj i jego mieszkańcy zajmują mnie najbardziej. Choć próbowałem emigracji, to jednak siła Domu przyciągnęła mnie z powrotem. I tak układam sobie powoli życie z moimi dziewczynami (narzeczona,córka) w polskiej/warszawskiej codzienności.

Mija właśnie trzydzieści lat od pierwszych częściowo wolnych wyborów w Polsce i to jest świetny moment, żeby robić podsumowania, ale też (co w moim odczuciu jest ważniejsze)- swoisty „raport pogody” pokazujący w jakim miejscu dziejowym znajdujemy się jako jednostki i społeczeństwo. Lubię szukać miejsc zapalnych, sukcesów i porażek. Przyglądać się jednostce, która zanon1547754019 się w codziennej próbie dogonienia Europy Zachodniej. W przyszłości marzy mi się praca z konfliktami w dużych społecznościach.

Mówi się, że już dawno nasze społeczeństwo nie było tak podzielone jak w ciągu ostatnich lat. Taki długofalowy podział i narastające napięcie mają silne odzwierciedlenie w samopoczuciu Polaków na co dzień. To ma i będzie anon1235093333ło konsekwencje. No chyba, że coś z tym zrobimy...

Co ciekawe, właściwie oceniłbym się jako osobę, która w żaden sposób nie jest związana w kwestie polityczne, a tymczasem pierwszy swój post zacząłem właśnie od wątku politycznego. To zdaje się potwierdzać fakt jak bardzo współczesne zanon1235093333ny oddziałują na nasze społeczeństwo. Chaos informacyjny jaki wytwarza się przez nagromadzenie wiadomości z różnych stron sceny politycznej powoduje, że tracę zaufanie do swojego oglądu sytuacji i czuję się niepewnie. To co wydawało się jeszcze kilka lat temu stanem jaki znam niemal od dziecka, dziś ulega silnym zanon1235093333nom. Ok, życie to ciągła zanon1235093333na, której musimy pokłonić się, bo to żywioł, ale z drugiej strony chciałoby się mieć poczucie wpływu na bieg wydarzeń, poczucie stabilizacji. Podczas gdy jedna strona czuje, że wreszcie ktoś tutaj robi po latach długo wyczekiwany porządek, druga czuje się zupełnie niesłyszana i zagubiona (pogwałcona?). Czego zatem brakuje? Czego potrzebujemy? Myślę, że potrzeba nam rozmów, debaty, dyskusji, otwartego &quot;bezpiecznego&quot; konfliktu. Najgorsze w tym wszystkim jest to, że niezależnie od tego czy zanon1235093333ny obecne są dobre, czy nie, to są to zanon1235093333ny, które nie zostały wspólnie wypracowane w pocie czoła społecznej dyskusji, ale właśnie narzucone przez silniejszego. Cierpi na tym tzw. zaufanie społeczne, którego poziom od lat i tak plasuje Polskę w tyle europejskiej stawki. Ma to wpływ nie tylko na wielkie wskaźniki, ale na naszą codzienności. Na zaufanie do władz, do sąsiada, policjanta, służby zdrowia, nauczyciela etc.

Niezależnie jednak od wielkiej polityki, ludzie coraz częściej biorą sprawy w swoje ręce i to chyba jest jedyne remedium na taki stan rzeczy. Miodem na moje serce jest przyglądanie się zanon1235093333nom (zanon1235093333na!) społecznym zachodzącym w Warszawie. Sposób w jaki stolica pruje naprzód rozwijając lokalne aktywności i inkorporując w anon1235093333rę swoich możliwości dobre rozwiązania z innych krajów, jest doprawdy godne podziwu. Równocześnie mam też świadomość ciemnej strony tego anon1235093333sta i całej masy wyzwań jakie przed nami stoją. No właśnie, przed nami, bo czuję się częścią tego procesu. I właśnie o to chodzi, aby zbudować w Polakach poczucie, że jesteśmy organizmem wewnętrznie połączonym i zależnym od siebie. Budujmy wspólnoty!!!"
2,54472,2019-06-03T23:28:23.557Z,10052,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,54366,anon3379710332,anon2693311786,"Cześć Mikołaj. Dziękuję za udział w platformie. Nazywam się anon3379710332 i jestem wykładowcą w Londynie. Jedna z moich przyjaciół również trenuje, aby zostać psychoterapeutą. Jej (bardzo religijna) babcia kazała jej przestać marnować czas na Freuda i spojrzeć na Boga, aby znaleźć pokój, którego szukała! Jaki jest pogląd polskiego Kościoła anon3213561856olickiego na psychoterapię? Czy więcej świeckich Polaków częściej zwraca się do psychoterapii jako alternatywy dla religii, czy też można połączyć te dwie?"
3,54744,2019-06-08T18:06:24.951Z,10052,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,54366,anon3593942245,anon2693311786,"Hej Mikołaj! witaj w edgeryders, mam nadzieję, Twoim nowym, dziwnym domu :) 

Słuchaj, jedna rzecz w Twoim tekście bardzo mnie zastanowiła - ten prujący rozwój w Wawie. Mnie każda wizyta w Warszawie przeraża, bo widzę w niej coraz więcej betonu i coraz mniej budynków, które lubiłam (jestem fanką modernizmu i ładnej socjalistycznej architektury, więc takie rzeczy jak wyburzenie Rotundy łamią mi serce - ciesze się,że była siedziba MSN przetrwała, chociaż o włos!). Mógłbyś trochę opowiedzieć o tym, co Twoim zdaniem się tam tak poprawia? 

Ja sama jestem związana mocniej z Lublinem, bo tam studiowałam - i też bez przerwy śledzę inne mrożące krew w żyłach potyczki tam, gdzie za rządów pana Żuka próbuje się np teraz wyciąć wszystkie drzewa na Alejach Racławickich - kupa wielkich, starych drzew tam rośnie. Rządy PO w anon1235093333stach kojarzą mi się głównie z prywatyzacją i betonem :slight_smile:

O tym, co jeszcze jest na rzeczy na wschodzie pisały np. @anon205870463 (mieszkalnictwo) czy @anon1430716239. 

Mam nadzieję, że edgeryders stanie się dla Ciebie miejscem odkryć i inspiracji i profesjonalnego rozwoju - bo zbieramy tutaj powoli kawałki tej układanki, którą próbujesz zrozumieć."
4,54791,2019-06-10T11:08:46.888Z,10052,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,54472,anon2693311786,anon3379710332,"Hej anon3379710332, 
Cięszę się, że zainteresował Cię mój wątek. 
Jestem w stanie w dużej mierze zrozumieć babcie koleżanki, bo po larach poszukiwań dochodzę do wniosku, że Bóg (Siła Wyższa, lub jakkolwiek chcesz to nazwać) to ważny element zachowania zdrowia psychicznego. Przy czym babcia i ja pewnie widzimy to zgoła inaczej. Nie znam oficjalnego poglądu polskiego kościoła na psychoterapię, ale słyszałem w ramach tej instytucji zarówno o działaniach negujących osiągnięcia psychologii jak i znam osobiście psychoterapeutów, którzy leczą duchownych (oficjalnie). Nie mniej można dostrzec, że klasycznie pojomowana religijność odchodzi powoli do lamusa (szczególnie w dużych anon1235093333stach, gdzie stała się być wręcz obciachem), ale po niej pozostaje pustka.Ta pustka jest nie do zniesienia, dlatego współczesny Polak szuka i zdaje się być w tych poszukiwanach zdesperowany: desperacko pragnie w coś wierzyć i często łapie się małych bożków, którzy jednak na dłżuszą metę nie dają ukojenia. Brak autentycznej duchowości w połączeniu z rozpadem klyscznej wielopokoleniowej rodziny, konsumpcyjnym, dynamicznym trybem życia powoduje, że psychika nie wytrzymuje i szukamy pomocy terapeuty. Oczywiście psychoterapia może przyczynić się do rozwoju duchowości, ale podobno to doświaczenie mniejszości osób szukających wsparcia. Osobiście nie uważam, żeby psychoterapia była alternatywą dla religijności, ale faktycznie wiele osób tak to widzi. Przypuszczam, że liczba osób szukających pomocy u specjalisty ""od duszy"" będzie rosnąć lawinowo, aż stanie się społeczną normą.  Jesteśmy świadkami bolesnych zanon1235093333n społecznych, ścierania się ""starego"" z ""nowym"".  To będzie bardzo długi proces."
5,54792,2019-06-10T11:27:23.515Z,10052,0,7,6,1,0,0,51.4,54744,anon2693311786,anon3593942245,"Dzięki Natalia,

Zawsze chętnie jestem wśród ludzi, którzy idą pod prąd (albo tyłem do przdu :). W ogóle fajnie jest móc wymienić się spostrzeżeniami. Chyba nie byłem dość precyzyjny. Zupełnie nie isntersuje mnie główny nurt rozwojowy. Sam osobiście mam uczulenie na szklane biurowce i przeraża mnie uprawiany w nich ""chów klatkowy"". Pisząc o postępowej stronie stolicy anon1235093333łem na myśli w kontekście wspólnotowycm działania społeczne- jest cała masa fundacji, organizacji stowarzyszeń, które odważnie zagospodarowują przestrzeń, w której państwo/anon1235093333sto jest niewydolne (przestaliśmy się obrażać na to, że jest jak jest i wzięliśmy sprawy w swoje ręce). Wystarczy wejść na jeden z powszechniejszych w Warszawie portali dla ngo: https://www.ngo.pl/ by uświadomić sobie jak wiele się tam dzieje.  Szczególnie ngosy zagospodarowują przestrzeń dotyczącą osób wykluczonych lub zagrożonych wykluczeniem społecznym. Dziś dla przykładu osoby z niepełnosprawnościami mogą liczyć często na profesjonalne wsparcie i pomoc ze stronych wyspecjalizowanych jednostek. Ponadto wolontariat stał się już chlebem powszednim... Mnie to wzrusza :)"
1,54626,2019-06-06T07:55:54.160Z,10089,0,17,16,5,0,0,193.4,54626,anon1146465561,anon1146465561,"Hello everyone,

It just came to me that I posted my [first text here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-new-moral-code-of-21st-century/10030/4) without properly introducing myself beforehand, so let's remedy that :blush:

The name which is visible in my passport is actually Vladica, but I joined the community under this handle because I use it across different networks and it's been my nickname for 15 years. 

I am a 29 year old (almost turning 30) social entrepreneur, based in Belgrade, Serbia. I studied journalism and communications, and have been a grassroots activist since I was 20, mostly in corruption in health and electoral reform campaigns. During my university years I was active in debating and co-organized European University Debating Championship in 2012. Even though I love debating, I love storytelling more - mostly because I have witnessed so many times the impact of a good story combined with facts, which usually is lacking if you are just trying to make fact-based point.

Things I care about are civil society and how it can impact change, making civil society and (social) entrepreneurs more sustainable, more impactful and more visible, and I am active in different women and gender initiatives and climate and zero waste actions. And also, I am queer, so often find myself explaining a lot of stuff about what that means and how it's different than other LGBTQ identities and orientations.
I have a habit of buying flowers both for myself and for my friends, I read and watch a lot of fiction (sometimes when washing the dishes and cooking) and my favourite activity is coaching - be it students, civil or business executives or organizations as collective entities. 

My interest in wellbeing comes from trying to find one framework to help me understand better my life and those of my friends and family and I am looking forward to many discussions here. :slight_smile:

If you want to see more of a CV-like info on me, check out my Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/vladicaanon1146465561jovanovic/

And if you wanna ask me anything - just shoot :slight_smile:"
2,54656,2019-06-06T15:26:57.556Z,10089,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,54626,anon2446385507,anon1146465561,"I am in awe that you like us and choose to write in English (truth be told, it's easier to interact with the rest until more Serbians join!) and are interested to contribute, and I like your writing style!

Well received, your bio and cv.
I'd wish you happy browsing and please bear with us for a while. We are restructuring the team a little and we'll be looking for people to help mobilize local communities in and across Serbia, or join us on tour as we will scout for more stories. Would be happy to talk to you and explain personally, in the near future. Natalia must have mentioned more to you anyway. 

Do you know of any other people whose life, work and experiences make for relevant stories of contemporary Serbia and its politics? I read about these students squatting an old cinema:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/30/zvezda-cinema-belgrade-privatisation-occupied

Also about the MKM independent cultural center, Kulturni Centar Grad http://kcgrad.rs/?lang=en, and Centar za kulturnu dekontaminaciju https://www.czkd.org/.

Most of these are lefties, which means there's a lot of alignment in values with a bunch of edgeryders here, but it would be good to get in touch with people who embody more of a general population experience.. to understand how behaviors are driven, what ticks for people from across the spectrum.

Just some thoughts out loud,.."
3,54753,2019-06-09T08:01:25.865Z,10089,0,10,9,2,0,0,57.0,54626,anon3593942245,anon1146465561,"hey @anon1146465561 - so interesting to read your story from this very personal angle. I can relate to a lot! 

First of all, how is the LGBT scene in Serbia? I have never been to your country (even if I worked and lived in Slovenia, and I collaborated with Serbians when I was curating a museum in Indonesia, which I filled with instruments from your country as well :)) ). 

Where I come from (small town, southeast Poland) and I studied (bigger city, eastern Poland, somewhat second-tier university town) - there's still little openness to these topics. Which is partly why I left my country a decade ago - I started moving for shorter periods, then I realized there's no coming back. I am also queer and non-monogamous (polyamorous - since 5 years active and aware of it:)) - but exploring these things in my city and circles seemed so uncomfortable and difficult. I admire people who stay in Eastern European countries and are not afraid of being themselves there. I took the easier route - but in a way, I have a feeling this was the only route for me to discover new ways of being happy with others. 

Sometimes I think if some of my lonely friends in Poland had a chance to flip the way they think about relationships, sex, pleasure, connecting with other humans, they would be much less lonely. But I can be a bit preachy about these things :smiley:

Great to have you here!"
1,54571,2019-06-05T09:45:45.377Z,10079,0,11,10,2,0,0,57.2,54571,anon1341647036,anon1341647036,"Cześć,
Nazywam się anon616153527, jestem socjolożką i ewaluatorką, skończyłam Collegium Civitas i Podyplomowe Studium Ewaluacji Programów Społecznych w Instytucie Socjologii Uniwersytetu Warszawskiego. Na co dzień współpracuję z Instytutem Studiów Politycznych Polskiej Akademii Nauk, uczelniami wyższymi oraz organizacjami pozarządowymi tj. m.in. Akadeanon1235093333 Rozwoju i Filantropii, Stowarzyszanie Boris, Fundacja Barka, Fundacja Badań i Innowacji Społecznych Stocznia. Aktualnie pracuję w Fundacji Pro-Cultura.

Od trzynastu lat zajmuję się koordynowaniem i realizacją projektów społeczno-edukacyjnych oraz prowadzeniem badań w zakresie edukacji, ekonomii społecznej, wykluczenia społecznego a także innowacji i wykorzystywaniem nowoczesnych technologii w życiu codziennym. Jestem autorką lub współautorką kilkudziesięciu raportów analityczno-badawczych.Najbardziej cenię badania z gatunku action research – dążące do zanon1235093333ny sytuacji, a współczynnik humanistyczny to mój żywioł. Podczas prowadzenia badań  jest dla mnie znalezienie odpowiedzi na pytanie ""Dlaczego?"" oraz zrozumienie punktu widzenia i opinii osób,z którymi rozmawiam. 

Prywatnie jestem entuzjastką wolności wyborów, świadomych decyzji i wszystkiego, co niezależne oraz niezwykłe – począwszy od kina i przyrody, a kończąc na psach rasy shiba-inu."
2,54603,2019-06-05T17:32:24.183Z,10079,0,8,7,1,0,0,6.6,54571,anon2446385507,anon1341647036,"Cześć @anon1341647036, miło cię poznać, jestem anon2649858692mi, longtimer w Edgeryders, bardzo często współpracuję z Natalią! Sama mam wykształcenie w naukach społecznych, co nie znaczy wiele, z wyjątkiem tego, że mam głębokie zainteresowanie tematem relacji międzyludzkich i tym, jaki rodzaj zanon1235093333n zachowań może mieć miejsce na poziomie jednostki, grupy, społeczeństwa.
Mam przeczucie, że nasze biosy nie mówią wiele innym o tym, kim naprawdę jesteśmy i na czym nam zależy. [Widziałaś inne historie Polek i Polaków wrzucone u nas?](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/pl)
Zaanon1235093333st dzielić się swoim CV, może spróbuj odpowiedzieć na opowieści innych własnymi historiami i doświadczeniami. W ten sposób poznajemy się nazwajem.
Dzięki za zainteresowanie!"
3,54752,2019-06-09T07:43:04.495Z,10079,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,54571,anon3593942245,anon1341647036,"hej @anon1341647036 - witamy na pokładzie! 

Też anon1235093333łabym do Ciebie pytanie o ludzką historię - co cię kręci, motywuje, wkurza, z czym się zanon1547754019sz w dzisiejszych Polskich realiach i czym się cieszysz? 

I które Dlaczego zadajesz sobie i innym ostatnio?"
1,54745,2019-06-08T18:15:43.678Z,10107,0,11,10,2,0,0,12.2,54745,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"<image here> 
 

Rozmowa o polskich realiach na edgeryders powoli nabiera coraz ciekawszego kształtu. W ostatnim tygodniu poznaliśmy między innymi:

[Mikołaja](https://edgeryders.eu/t/budujmy-wspolnoty/10052), którego martwi co prawda polityczny rozłam w Polsce - ale widzi też ogromny postęp i energię w kraju, szczególnie w stolicy. Ciekawe, czy wasze doświadczenia - z Warszawą lub innymi anon1235093333stami - też są takie pozytywne?

Dołączyła do nas też [Katarzyna](https://edgeryders.eu/t/lokalny-lacznik/10079), weteranka socjologii i świata ngosów w Polsce, którą motywuje chęć zrozumienia Dlaczego? rzeczy się dzieją: czy dotyczy to ekonomii społecznej, czy wykluczenia, czy kultury.

[Magda](https://edgeryders.eu/t/lokalny-lacznik/10079) z kolei interesuje się dziesiątkami różnych tematów - od praw LGBT, przez zrównoważony rózwój i ochronę środowiska, po odkrywanie własnego anon1235093333sta i zarażanie innym pasją do jego nieodkrytych zakątków. Jej celem jest zanon1235093333na społeczna - i stara się ją osiągnąć na setki różnych sposobów. 

Asia podzieliła się [realiami życia młodej osoby](https://edgeryders.eu/t/diagnoza-wsparcie-psychologiczne-i-zycie-z-choroba-przewlekla-w-polsce/10046) z MS (multiple sclerosis), a Marta tłumaczy, [dlaczego jaka młoda właścicielka biznesu musiała wrócić na etat](https://edgeryders.eu/t/prowadzenie-jednoosobowej-dzialalnosci-gospodarczej-w-polsce/10049), bo w Polsce na własną rękę jednak jest trudno. 


Bardzom ciekawa, co nowego przyniesie kolejny tydzień! Ja ze swojej strony mogę obiecać kilka dobrych historii :)"
2,55301,2019-06-17T13:32:21.069Z,10107,0,5,4,0,0,0,1.0,54745,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,Photo please? Anything else to make this summary shareable - @anon
1,50146,2019-01-18T10:46:43.685Z,9376,0,27,26,3,0,0,260.4,50146,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"**Dlaczego wciąż jestem w Edgeryders?**

Minęło sześć lat, odkąd wybrałam się na pierwsze wydarzenie zorganizowane przez Edgeryders w Sztokholmie, na którym rozmawialiśmy o aktywiźmie i alternatywnych ruchach w krajach bałtyckich. Pamiętam, że dyskusje przy stole zrobiły na mnie spore wrażenie - pomysły były radykalne i fascynujące, poziom angielskiego ponad moją ligą. Wyzwanie idealne. 

Rok później dołączyłam do zespołu z małym grantem, który otrzymałam od Komisji Europejskiej na pracę dla NGOsa gdzieś w Europie. Okazało się, że Edgeryders prezentują idealne dla mnie połączenie intelektualnej stymulacji, możliwości pracy nomadycznej, i zadaniowej żonglerki. Jako nomadka chciałam podróżować i zdobywać doświadczenia - mogłam to robić w ramach pracy organizacji, ale też łączyć z nią inne zajęcia. Jako wiecznie poszukująca stymulacji głowa, wpadłam na tej platformie w wir fascynujących tematów: biohackingu, alternatywnych sposobów organizowania pomocy i myślenia o niej, otwartych technologii, bezpieczeństwa online, ginekologii DIY, sztuki, kultury, środowiska. Zostałam zaproszona do organizacji naszych festiwali, na których spotykałam niesamowite umysły z całego świata. Pojechałam do Nepalu, żeby przyjrzeć się kwitnącej tam oddolnej aktywności. Pomieszkiwałam ze społecznymi przedsiębiorcami w willii w Maroku i poanon1547754019łam im udoskonalać ich pomysły. Przez lata robiłam dla tej organizacji wszelkiej maści misje i zadania - korzystałam w pełni z dynamiki zespołu i możliwości, jakie kreuje bycie w tym nietypowym zespole. 

A w międzyczasie podejmowałam się pracy w muzeach, przy biennalach, pracowałam na prywatnym uniwersytecie w Indonezji jako wykładowczyni czy organizowałam wydarzenia kulturalne i zmieniałam kontynenty, na własną rękę, zawsze w jakimś stopniu udzielając się w Edgeryders. 

Ten rok ma szansę być moim ulubionym w historii - tematy populizmu i internetu nowej generacji bardzo mnie interesują, nasza praca w Culture Squad nabiera dynamiki, udzielam się też przy fantastycznej nowej szkole urban game design. 

**Czym się interesuję?** 

Crossfitem i podnoszeniem ciężarów. I metabolic conditioning :) Sport to dla mnie dość nowa rzecz - i cieszę się, że udało mi się go odkryć. Przekonałam się na własnej skórze, że fizyczna sprawność przekłada się na intelektualną energię, a moje rozrastające się i coraz silniejsze ciało motywuje mnie na wiele sposobów. Mam ambicję zostać kiedyś trenerką, na kawałek etatu, z pomysłem połączenia fizycznego wysiłku z akceptacją siebie, zanon1235093333ną podejścia do własnego ciała, z feministycznym i politycznym podtekstem. 

Jestem też dziennikarką muzyczną - hobbistką, pracującą dla niezależnego pisma FYH i czasami innych anon1547754019zynów. Uwielbiam sztukę nowoczesną i obsesyjnie odwiedzam muzea i galerie sztuki, czytam współczesną literaturę z całego świata, uczę się szycia, gotuję i podróżuję."
3,53583,2019-05-16T12:26:39.660Z,9376,0,13,12,2,0,0,57.6,50146,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej dziewczyny - @anon3839296096 @anon

Pierwszym krokiem, żeby zacząć działać, jest napisanie czegoś o sobie albo od siebie - zbieramy teraz historie dotyczące tego, jak się żyje w Polsce. Czy dotykające pracy, czy zdrowia, opieki społecznej, nastrojów politycznych, duchowości, religii... czy cos innego, co bardziej was gryzie, fascynuje, nakręca i motywuje, albo wkurza. W anon3213561856egorii wellbeing mamy już kilka przykładów fantastycznych historii kobiet - dotyczące opieki nad kobietami, które[poroniły w Polsce](https://edgeryders.eu/t/opieka-nad-kobieta-tracaca-dziecko-w-trakcie-ciazy-lub-niedlugo-po-porodzie/9849/4) czy bycia ""[matką na swoim](https://edgeryders.eu/t/to-nie-jest-kraj-dla-zaradnych-ludzi/9851)"". No i szukamy kogoś, kto zechciałby z nami współpracować przez najbliższe miesiące - poniżej więcej informacji o tym, jak zacząć.

https://edgeryders.eu/t/edgeryders-is-hiring-become-a-local-connector-for-a-project-on-improving-wellbeing-for-citizens-in-europe-5000/9719 

A teraz czekam na wasze historie - chcę poznać życie w Polsce od środka (od dość dawna sama nie mieszkam nad Wisłą, więc mam też sporo do nauczenia sie od was) i zobaczyć, czy razem możemy coś zdziałać i poprawić."
4,53628,2019-05-17T13:43:05.429Z,9376,1,12,11,4,0,0,117.4,50146,anon1812918160,anon3593942245,"Cześć!

Nazywam się Aśka Bednarczyk, mieszkam, działam i pracuję w Lublinie - mieście wojewódzkim we wschodniej Polsce. Jestem aktywistką działającą na rzecz praw człowieka związaną ze Stowarzyszeniem Homo Faber od 2013 roku. Na początku swojej pracy w III sektorze interesowały mnie głównie kwestie związane z integracją migrant-ów/-ek oraz uchodźczyń/uchodźców. Koordynowałam pracę międzynarodowej grupy wolontariuszy-community workerów, którzy byli liderami grup mniejszościowych mieszkających w moim mieście. Prowadziłam również kursy języka polskiego dla cudoziemców, warsztaty antydyskryminacyjne oraz prezentacje dotyczące życia w Polsce dla nowoprzybyłych student-ów/-ek międzynarodowych. Od 2016 roku organizuję i koordynuję obecnie jedyny w Polsce feministyczy festiwal filmowy &quot;Demakijaż - Festiwal Kina Kobiet&quot;. Zawodowo uczę języka angielskiego i jestem tłumaczką - głównie audiowizualną.

Prywatnie interesuję się weganizmem, ochroną środowiska, ideologiami zero waste i d.i.y. , literaturą faktu oraz filmem. Razem ze swoją współloanon3213561856orką zamieniamy mieszkanie w dżungle i ratujemy zwierzątka w potrzebie.

Zdecydowałam się dołączyć do Edgeryders ponieważ interesują mnie kwestie społeczne oraz problemy współczesnej Polski, zwłaszcza związane z opieką zdrowotną oraz kwestiami związanymi ze stabilnoścą zatrudnienia. W wymienionych obszarach dostrzegam wiele problemów, z którymi boryka się mój kraj. Młodzi ludzie mają duży problem z ugruntowaniem swojej pozycji na rynku pracy, zarobki są niskie, a oferowane umowy cywilnoprawne nie zapewniają nawet minimum socjalnego bezpieczeństwa. Rodzi to frustracje i jest powodem migracji zarówno wewnętrznych jak i zewnętrznych (warto dodać, że sytuacja w Warszawie jest zdecydowanie lepsza niż w innych anon1235093333stach, nawet tych większych, wojewódzkich, takich jak Lublin).  System opieki zdrowotnej róznież jest nieudolny – długie kolejki i czas oczekiwania na wizyty do lekarzy specjalistów uwypukla społeczne nierówności. Zamożniejsze osoby (mimo posiadania ubezpieczenia zdrowotnego) coraz chętniej korzystają z prywatnej opieki zdrowotnej. Łatwo dostrzegalna jest też różnica jakości pomiędzy prywatną a publiczną służbą zdrowia – nie mam tu na myśli samego sposobu leczenia, a raczej paternalistyczne podjeście lekarzy dominujące w państwowej służbie zdrowia i partnerskie spotykane zazwyczaj w prywatnej (co ciekawe, te dwa modele mogą dotyczyć tego samego lekarza). Młode Polki i młodzi Polacy czują się rozdarci: z jednej strony chcą żyć bezpiecznie i spokojnie w swoim kraju, a z drugiej dzięki częstym wizytom na Zachodzie Europy mają świadomość, że ich rówieśnikom zaledwie kilkaset kilometrów dalej żyje się dużo łatwiej."
5,54022,2019-05-27T07:58:16.328Z,9376,0,13,12,1,0,0,7.6,50146,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hej @anon

Najlepiej jest zacząć od opowiedzenia własnej historii - wtedy reszta społeczności będzie wiedziała, kim jesteście i czy być może macie wiedzę i doświadczenie, których oni poszukują, chcą się od czas czegoś dowiedzieć, albo zacząć wspólnie działać na jakimś polu. Ja poanon1547754019m wam się między innymi odnaleźć :slight_smile:  Jak to zrobić? Wejdź w anon3213561856egorię Internet dla Ludzi albo Wellbeing, wybierz kraj (w przypadku wellbeing) i dodaj nową historię. 

Mamy też nagrody za historie i szukamy [lokalnego współpracownika w Polsce](https://edgeryders.eu/t/edgeryders-is-hiring-become-a-local-connector-for-a-project-on-improving-wellbeing-for-citizens-in-europe-5000/9719), który zacząłby pracę z nami od czerwca.  

Jeśli macie pytania, zapraszam do zadawania ich w komentarzu - prowadzimy tą platrformę jak gigantyczną skarbnicę wiedzy i informacji, i staramy się prowadzić dużą część komunikacji w jej ramach."
6,54234,2019-05-30T14:24:59.262Z,9376,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,53628,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"Cześć @anon1812918160, miło cię poznać! Witamy w Edgeryders &lt;3
Wow, weganka mieszkająca w Polsce? Jak Ci się to udaje?

Jako Rumunce - zanim przeniosłam się do Brukseli - bardzo trudno było mi zostać zostać wegetarianką.

Odnośnie twojej opinii na temat publicznych / prywatnych usług zdrowotnych: Czy przeczytałaś historię @anon616153527 ? Ona musiała zorganizować sobie prywatną opiekę zdrowotną, ponieważ publiczna nie była dla niej dostępna. Nie krępuj się podzielić własnymi opiniami - to skomplikowana sytuacja i każda rada może pomóc."
7,54265,2019-05-30T20:52:04.444Z,9376,1,11,10,2,0,0,107.2,54234,anon1812918160,anon2446385507,"Cześć! 
Też miło Cię poznać :) 
W zasadzie to nie jestem weganką, a cruelty-free wegetarianką (jem jajka i nabiał z wiejskich hodowli np. od rodziny i przyjaciół, znajomych, znajomych). Bycie wegetarianką/weganką w Polsce jest zaskakująco proste - tylko w mojej rodzinie gdy spotykamy się w czasie świąt czy innych okazji przynajmniej 3-4 osoby nie jedzą mięsa. Taki stan rzeczy pozytywnie wpłynął na świadomość mojej rodziny - moja mama praktycznie przestała jeść mięso, a babcia zaczęła mówić o okrucieństwie chowu przemysłowego. Szacuje się, że nawet 15% społeczeństwa w Polsce to weganie lub wegetarianie, a Warszawa zajęła wysokie miejsce (pierwsza piątka) w ogólnoświatowym rankingu najbardziej vegan-friendly miejsc na ziemi. Zaskakujące, ale wspaniałe :) . 

Czytałam historię Kasi i przypomina mi zarówno moją historię związaną ze służbą zdrowia w Polsce, ale jeszcze bardziej historię bliskiej mi osoby, która w staraniach o dziecko została całkowicie pozbawiona refundowanych opcji zarówno diagnostycznych jak i doradczych. Nie anon1235093333łam świadomości, że osoby, które są w ciąży również nie mają dostępu do refundowanej opieki medycznej. W przypadku starania się o dziecko sytuacja wydaje się być równie dramatyczna. W najbliższych dniach postaram się poprosić przyjaciółkę, aby podzieliła się swoją historią."
8,54619,2019-06-06T06:19:48.449Z,9376,0,9,8,1,1,0,6.8,54265,anon2446385507,anon1812918160,"[quote=""anon1812918160, post:7, topic:9376""]
my grandmother began to talk about the cruelty of industrial farming.
[/quote]

Haha, niesamowite! Chciałbym, żeby moja babcia anon1235093333ła tak samo, ale jeśli jesz mięso przez całe życie,  to jest to ścieżka bez powrotu dla bardziej konserwatywnych ludzi."
1,54407,2019-06-03T08:47:51.256Z,10060,0,15,14,6,0,0,48.0,54407,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Da li neko ide na ovaj događaj?

https://www.facebook.com/events/400752827438226/

Beograd će od 7. do 9. juna biti domaćin velike međunarodne konferencije „Pobunjeni gradovi”, posvećene lokalnim političkim pokretima iz Evrope i regiona. U organizaciji inicijative Ne davimo Beograd, ovaj skup okupiće aktiviste i aktivistkinje iz preko 20 zemalja koji svoje političko delovanje zasnivaju na lokalnim, životnim problemima građana/ki.

Organizacije koje se bave zaštitom javnih dobara, socijalnom sigurnošću, pristupačnim stanovanjem, dostupnošću komunalnih usluga, ekološkom pravdom, zadrugama, decentralizacijom upravljanja i solidarnošću čine novu političku snagu građana/ki. U svetu koji se užurbano menja i u kojem i pored svih tehničkih, naučnih i tehnoloških iskoraka sve više dominiraju osećanja nesigurnosti, straha, nejednakosti i mržnje, u kojem su populizam i ekstremizam u sve većem porastu, javlja se trend drugačijeg političkog organizovanja koji na talasu građanskih borbi i novih političkih pokreta nosi nadu da je moguće ne samo suprotstaviti se ovim negativnim tendencijama, već i izboriti se za viziju gradova i društva u kojima želimo da živimo.

Od 2017. godine kada je na poziv gradonačelnice Barselone Ade Kolau i političke platforme “Barcelona En Comu” u ovom gradu održan prvi samit “Pobunjenih gradova” (Fearless Cities) ovaj trend prerastao je u globalni municipalistički pokret u okviru koga aktivisti i aktivistkinje, lokalni odbornici, gradonačelnici/e i građani/ke rade na izgradnji globalne mreže solidarnosti i nade. Serija sastanaka i konferencija pod ovim nazivom koje se održavaju širom sveta imaju cilj da radikalizuju demokratije u našim gradovima.

Ove godine, Inicijativa Ne davimo Beograd nastavlja ovaj proces i organizuje veliku međunarodnu konferenciju “Pobunjeni gradovi” od 7. do 9. juna 2019. godine.
Tim povodom Beograd će na tri dana ugostiti veliki broj predstavnika političkih pokreta i aktivista iz cele Evrope, sa željom da predstavi raznovrsnost i inovativnost širokog spektra organizacija i pokreta koje stupaju u političku arenu, vraćajući gradove i opštine u ruke običnih građana.

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2,54618,2019-06-06T04:50:40.450Z,10060,0,10,9,1,0,0,7.0,54407,anon1775928863,anon2446385507,"Pa, u stvari, ne. Mnoge stvari u vezi sa Ne Davimo Beograd činile su se krajnje ispravne da bi se ispostavilo da niko nije imun na manipulaciju i zloupotrebu činjenicama, onog trenutka kada uđe u polje političke borbe za vlast."
1,53075,2019-05-02T19:19:02.641Z,9849,0,19,18,152,0,0,913.8,53075,anon1091070102,anon1091070102,"<image here> 
 

Witajcie.

Jestem mamą sześciorga dzieci, z których troje zmarło w trakcie ciąży. Dwoje w 10 i jedno 21 tygodniu ciąży. Pierwsze poronienie przeżyłam dość spokojnie, choć marzyliśmy o trójce dzieci. Było mi smutno i czułam się bardzo słaba, ale po kilku tygodniach życia zaabsorbowanego przez starsze córki, zycie wróciło do normy. Tłumaczyłam sobie, że może tak anon1235093333ło być, bo może nasze dziecko w ten sposób zostało uratowane przed jakimś ogromnym cierpieniem w przyszłości. I tylko, co jakiś czas któraś ze starszych córek pytała np. „A pamiętasz jak nasz dzidziuś zachorował i umarł?”, a ja odpowiadałam ze ściśniętym gardłem.

Na kolejne dziecko czekaliśmy 7 lat. Nie mówiliśmy nikomu, że jestem w ciąży dopóki nie minęły pierwsze trzy miesiące. Dopiero gdy zdążyłam się ucieszyć, że teraz już wszystko będzie dobrze okazał się, że nasz synek nie żyje, okręcił się pępowiną. Opiszę jego poród, bo to bardzo było traumatyzujące. W 21 tygodniu ciąży zaczęłam krwawić, więc jak najszybciej pojechałam do pobliskiego Dotarłam tam po 20 minutach. Odnalazłam oddział medycyny ratunkowej, gdzie powiedziano mi, że teraz nie ma mną się kto zająć i mam poczekać na korytarzu. Ponieważ wydawało mi się, że w sytuacji krwawienia w ciąży wskazane jest leżenie, położyłam się w jednej z sal dla pacjentów. Wówczas zainteresowała się mną pielęgniarka (nakrzyczała na mnie, że czemu leżę) i po konsultacji z lekarzem skierowała na oddział ginekologiczno-położniczy. Tam zarejestrowano mnie, przyjęto na odział i polecono czekać na konsultacje lekarską. Moje oczekiwanie trwało 1,5h. Po tym czasie zbadał mnie lekarz (żartując nieustannie) i wykonał USG stwierdzając, że dziecko nie żyje. Nie powiedział jednak tego do mnie tylko do położnej zapisującej wyniki badania mówiąc „w jamie macicy płód martwy w położeniu miednicowym” Potem podyktował resztę wyników i zwrócił sie do mnie z pytaniem czy słyszałam i informacją, że w dniu jutrzejszym zostanie wywołany poród.

Położono mnie na 6 osobowej sali z 2 kobietami w ciąży i 3 przed lub po zabiegach ginekologicznych. Położne i pielęgniarki pracujące na oddziale oraz jedna z lekarek były bardzo życzliwe i taktowne. Odpowiadały na wszystkie moje pytania dotyczące pogrzebu, badań histopatologicznych itp., jednak o wszystko sama musiałam się dopytać. Pozostali lekarze byli raczej obojętni.

Następnego dnia podano mi do szyjki macicy lek o nazwie cytotec (polecając uprzednio napisać oświadczenie, że w związku z obumarciem ciąży ja proszę o jej rozwiązanie), poinformowano, że poród powinien trwać 6 godzin i polecono wrócić na salę. Tam wśród pozostałych pacjentki i odwiedzających je i żartujących ludzi leżałam z nasilającymi się skurczami. Po 6 godzinach zbadano mnie i podano Pyralgin, z powodu silnego bólu. Kilkakrotnie prosiłam o przeniesienie w jakieś odosobnione miejsce, jednak powtarzano mi, że nie ma takiej możliwości ze względu na brak miejsc. Dopiero ok. godz. 19.00 położna wyprosiła mężczyzn odwiedzających pacjentki z sali. Ponieważ poród był bardzo bolesny, pozostałe pacjentki postanowiły wyjść do świetlicy. Dzięki temu ostatnią godzinę porodu spędziłam tylko z mężem i zaglądająca od czasu do czasu położną. Po urodzeniu się dziecka zabrano mnie do gabinetu zabiegowego na zabieg wyłyżeczkowania jamy macicy.

Przez pierwsze tygodnie po śmierci synka nie było we mnie żadnych uczuć oprócz wszechogarniającego smutku. Niby dobrze się trzymałam, nie płakałam zbyt dużo, nie histeryzowałam, nie denerwowałam na widok kobiet w ciąży czy niemowląt. Czułam tylko taką ogromna pustkę i ogromne zmęczenie. I samotność, nawet mimo świadomości, że bliscy są obok. Przerażała mnie wizja powrotu do pracy, męczyły spotkania z ludźmi. Nie mogłam spać przez kilka dni z rzędu, a potem spałam po kilkanaście godzin na dobę, tak samo z jedzeniem: albo nic, albo więcej niż zwykle.

Dziwne wydawało mi się, że świat nadal istnieje, nie zatrzymał się, słońce wschodziło co rano, życie toczyło dalej pełne radości. Tylko ja gdzieś obok. Dobrze mi było gdy wyjechaliśmy na rodzinne wakacje, las, jezioro, potem góry. Spokój. Nic nie musiałam. Gdyby tylko można było nie wracać, tylko zaszyć się gdzieś już na zawsze. Powrót do świata, do pracy mnie przerażał. I wszystko wydawało się takie bezsensowne. Czułam się taka rozdwojona: na zewnątrz funkcjonująca normalnie, potrafiąca żartować czy wygłupiać się z dziećmi, a w środku - ogromna tęsknota. Potem pojawiła się złość. Taka na wszystko i na wszystkich. Cokolwiek by się działo, czy ktoś coś mówił, czy milczał – jednakowo mnie to irytowało.

Cały czas anon1235093333łam potrzebę opowiadania ludziom o naszym synku, żeby pamiętali, że był. Choć doświadczałam całego spektrum ich reakcji: od zrozumienia i wsparcia, przez głupawe komentarze i uwagi, po zupełne milczenie i udawanie, że nic się nie stało. I trudno wyrażać żałobę po dziecku, którego nikt nie widział i po którym nic nie zostało z wyjątkiem aktu urodzenia. Nie mamy nawet grobu. Próbowałam wynajdywać różne strategie przetrwana: szukałam zdjęć dzieci w podobnym wieku, wierszy, na ręce noszę czarna bransoletkę, zaczęłam pisać na forum www.poronienie.pl, spotykałam się z psychologiem w Poradni Zdrowia Psychicznego. Z powodu przeżyć szpitalnych przechorowałam PTSD. Od innych matek po stracie i psychologa słyszałam, że to naturalne co czuję, że z czasem ból ucichnie, choć tęsknota pozostanie, że to co robię jest typowe dla etapu żałoby, w którym jestem. To bardzo poanon1547754019ło. Choć największym wsparciem był mój mąż, który, mimo, że nie zawsze rozuanon1235093333ł, co się ze mną dzieje, był obok. Potem pomyślałam, że może mogłabym jakoś odwdzięczyć się i zaangażowałam się społecznie w pracę Stowarzyszenia Rodziców po Poronieniu, żeby jakoś pomóc innym kobietom, które dopiero znajda się w sytuacji śmierci dziecka. Zaczęłam szkolić lekarzy i położnych w zakresie wsparcia kobiet tracących dzieci. Pracuję także społecznie w Hospicjum Perinatalnym (istnieją w Polsce w każdym województwie, wszystkie prowadzone przez organizacje pozarządowe, choć niektóre finansowane ze środków NFZ). Przygotowujemy rodziców do narodzin śmiertelnie chorego dziecka. O ile trafią do nas. Bo od lekarzy najczęściej słyszą, że mają prawo usunąć ciążę ze względu na wadę dziecka, ale żadnej informacji o tym co, jeśli będą chcieli czekać na samoistną śmierć dziecka. Rozmawiam z nimi o tym jak przygotować się na narodziny i śmierć dziecka, że dziecko mogą przytulić, ubrać w maleńki rożek od Fundacji Tęczowy Kocyk, że nie musza się godzić na reanimowanie dziecka, jeśli anon1235093333łoby to przysparzać mu dodatkowego cierpienia i przedłużać umieranie, że mogą być razem do końca, że dziecko będzie pod dobrą opieką specjalistów i dbam o ty, żeby lekarze przestrzegali standardów opieki paliatywnej. Pracuję też z rodzicami, którzy zdecydowali się na terminacją ciąży. I ze wszystkimi rodzicami w żałobie. Dzielę się tym, czego doświadczyłam sama i wiedzą o tym jak może być inaczej, piękniej. Że miłość rodziców i dziecka jest tak wielka, że nawet śmierć jej nie zatrzyma.

Niestety nadal wielu lekarzy tego nie rozumie, upierają się przy 1. terminacji ciąży. 2. ratowaniu umierających dzieci za wszelką cenę (jeśli anon681684766 nie ma wyników badań genetycznych), 3. samotnemu umieraniu dzieci zaanon1235093333st przygotować rodziców do bycia blisko dziecka 4. utrudniają rodzicom pochowanie dziecka, jeśli zmarło w wyniku poronienia – polskie prawo wyanon1547754019 aby do zarejestrowania dziecka określić jego płeć, nawet jeśli zmarło na wczesnym etapie ciąży, rodzice z własnej kieszeni płacą za takie badanie.

Widzę jeszcze dwa problemy: 6. dzieci, których mamy zdecydowały się na terminację ciąży umierają samotnie w inkubatorach szpitalnych, pod obserwacją niechętnych położnych, a mogłyby umrzeć w ramionach matek. 7. ciała dzieci po poronieniu „znikają” ze szpitali – jeśli lekarz patolog nie znajdzie tkanek dziecka w materiale po łyżeczkowaniu, szpital nie pozwala wykonać rodzicom badań cytogenetycznych zarodka (określających płeć), nie pozwala pochować dziecka rodzicom ani nie wysyła ciała do zbiorowego pochówku organizowanego przez gminę, czy utylizowane są razem z odpadami medycznymi?

Ale wiele zmienia się na lepsze. Wiele pacjentek jest traktowanych z troską, szacunkiem i intymnością. Oby każda."
2,53080,2019-05-03T08:31:54.794Z,9849,1,16,15,1,0,0,13.2,53075,anon3593942245,anon1091070102,"Cześć @anon

Biorąc pod uwagę, jak częstym przeżyciem dla kobiety jest poronienie (statystycznie zdarzają się one zaskakująco często), musi być w Polsce ogromna liczba osób, które w jakiś sposób są przez ten problem dotknięte. Zastanawiam się, jak wpływa to na ich doświadczenie bycia matką - wyobrażam sobie, że wiele z tych straumatyzowanych kobiet nie jest w stanie dać pełnej uwagi i miłości swoim pozostałym dzieciom w takiej sytuacji, bo same ich potrzebują. Jeśli nie mają fantastycznch partnerów, to może to mieć anon3213561856astrofalne skutki? Czy są jakieś nieformalne koła wsparcia, społeczności w kościołach, gminach, gdzie te kobiety szukają i dostają wsparcie? I jak ono wygląda? Wreszcie pytanie - jak odnosi się do tego kościół? Czy któreś z tych decyzji są przez niego potępiane i czy odbija się to jakoś na decyzjach kobiet i ich uczestnictwu we wspólnocie?

Jeszcze dwa krótkie pytania: dlaczego lekarze reanimują dzieci za wszelką cenę? I czy udało Ci się ustalić, co dzieje się ze zwłokami takich dzieci? 

Dziękuję za ogromną szczerość. Wiedząc, że jest nas więcej, łatwiej jest nam sobie radzić z takimi sytuacjami"
3,53094,2019-05-04T00:23:50.725Z,9849,1,14,13,3,0,0,67.8,53080,anon1091070102,anon3593942245,"Natalio, dziękuję za tak wnikliwe pytania.
Statystycznie poronienia doświadcza w Polsce rocznie ok 50 tysięcy kobiet i ich rodzin, ok. 2 tysiące dzieci rodzi się martwych, a ok. 8 tysięcy umiera przed ukończeniem 8 roku życia. To rzeczywiście bardzo dużo. I właściwie kluczowe w przeżywaniu żałoby jest wsparcie społeczne - bliskich, ale i obcych ludzi, nawet  na forach internetowych. Czasem nawet większe wsparcie kobiety uzyskują od obcych np. innych matek po stracie niż od najbliższych. Wsparcie można uzyskać w poradniach zdrowia psychicznego i innych ośrodkach zdrowia (psychologa i psychiatry), ale terminy wizy sa bardzo odległe, rzędu kilku miesięcy. Jest kilka organizacji np. Stowarzyszenie Rodziców po Poronieniu, ""DLACZEGO"" Organizacja rodziców po stracie oraz rodziców dzieci chorych, Fundacja Nagle Sami. Rodzice mogą szybciej uzyskać wsparcie od hospicjów perinatalnych lub hospicjów dla dzieci. Są także wspólnoty kościelne dla rodziców po stracie np. w Gdańsku, w Lublinie, w Szczecinie, w Rydułtowach i in. Organizowane są grupy wsparcia, spotkania, obchody Dnia Dziecka Utraconego (15.10), rekolekcje. Generalnie kościół anon3213561856olicki mocno wspiera rodziców w żałobie, choć nadal zdarza się, że kapłan odmówi rodzicom pełnej oprawy pogrzebu dziecka (mimo, że to wbrew wewnętrznym instrukcjom). Także diecezjalni duszpasterze rodzin organizują różne formy wsparcia rodzin w żałobie. Mam też dobre doświadczenia we wsparciu rodziców, którzy zdecydowali się na terminację ciązy, choć, rzecz jasna, KK potępia przerwanie ciąży, także z przyczyn zdrowotnych. Natoanon1235093333st jeśli znani mi rodzice po śmierci dziecka zwracali się do kapłanów, otrzymywali wiele wsparcia i taktu (KK potępia czyny, a nie osoby). Zresztą niektóre hospicja są prowadzone przez stowarzyszenia anon3213561856olickie, a wszystkie mają swoich kapelanów.
Sądzę, że wiara ma wpływ na decyzje podejmowane przez kobiety. Jeśli są osobami głęboko wierzącymi nie podejmą decyzji o wcześniejszym przerwaniu życia dziecka tylko dlatego, że dziecko ma poważne wady rozwojowe prowadzące i tak do śmierci. Ale kluczowe w podejmowaniu decyzji jest to jakie wsparcie od otoczenia kobiety otrzymują. Jeśli ojciec dziecka twierdzi, że nie chce takiego dziecka czy wręcz grozi kobiecie, że ją porzuci (takie historie często słyszę od położnych), to łatwiej zdecyduje się ona na terminację ciąży, nawet wbrew własnym przekonaniom. Natoanon1235093333st jeśli kobieta czuje, że ma wsparcie, to łatwiej jej podjąć decyzję o czekaniu na śmierć dziecka wtedy kiedy ona nastąpi. To w ogóle jest szeroki temat i zaznaczam, że moje doświadczenie dotyczy głównie wad letalnych czyli śmiertelnych. Natoanon1235093333st śmierć dziecka jest sytuacją graniczną, która zwykle budzi w człowieku głębsze pytania np. o sens życia.

Wspominasz też starsze dzieci w rodzinie (albo tymi, które urodzą się później). I to znów jest szeroki temat. Bo z jednej strony mogą one czuć się emocjonalnie opuszczone, ale też dostają ogromną lekcję radzenia sobie z najtrudniejszymi sytuacjami w życiu. Uczą się, że miłość jest ważna, ważniejsza niż śmierć, że budowanie dobrych relacji czy tworzenie bliskich więzi może się odbywać w każdych warunkach, że dobrze być razem, gdy jest trudno, że śmierć, żałoba, smutek, złość są częścią życia. Zresztą często ich reakcje są dużo bardziej naturalne niż nas, dorosłych. Ale są też ""ciemne strony"": np. rodzice tak bardzo mogą lękać się tego, że i starszym dzieciom coś się stanie, że będą nadopiekuńczy i więzi między nimi a dziećmi nie będą sprzyjać rozwojowi dzieci. Albo będą je traktować jako dzieci-lekarstwa (w psychologi mówi się reparacyjne), które mają zapełnić pustkę po tym, które zmarło. To też rozwjowo jest anon3213561856astrofalne. Albo mogą idealizować zmarłe dziecko, aż to żyjące poczuje, że nie jest w stanie doścignąć tego ideału i zawodzi oczekiwania rodziców. Jednak jeśli rodzice dostaną wystarczające wsparcie (bliskich, przyjaciół, specjalistów, innych rodziców po stracie) to jest mniejsze prawdopodobieństwo, że te wadliwe wzorce się pojawią.

Co do lekarzy, to myślę, że oni boją się odpowiedzialności zawodowej i spraw o błąd w sztuce lekarskiej, tzn, że ktoś (np. rodzice) zarzuci im, że nie zrobili wystarczająco dużo, żeby dziecku pomóc. I dlatego decydują się na włączenie uporczywej, niepotrzebnej terapii zaanon1235093333st pozwolić dziecku umrzeć spokojnie, w ramionach rodziców.
Na ostatnie pytanie nie znam odpowiedzi..."
4,54218,2019-05-30T13:06:24.988Z,9849,0,9,8,1,1,0,6.8,53094,anon2446385507,anon1091070102,"Ja też doświadczyłam poronienia (aborcji), ale nigdy z nikim o tym nie rozmawiałam. Nigdy wcześniej nie rozmawiałem o żałobie, więc dziękuję bardzo @anon

[quote=""anon
Statystycznie poronienia doświadcza w Polsce rocznie ok 50 tysięcy kobiet i ich rodzin, ok. 2 tysiące dzieci rodzi się martwych, a ok. 8 tysięcy umiera przed ukończeniem 8 roku życia. To rzeczywiście bardzo dużo.
[/quote]

Wygląda na dużo.
W Belgii, gdzie mieszkam, rocznie przeprowadza się 20000 aborcji, dla populacji 3,5 razy mniejszej. To bez uwzględnienia innych rodzajów poronień. Nie mogłem znaleźć całkowitej liczby poronień.. Jest to również efekt dostępności usług w krajach wysoko rozwiniętych."
5,54593,2019-06-05T16:29:57.580Z,9849,0,6,5,1,0,0,96.2,53075,anon3353600255,anon1091070102,"Wielkie dzięki za historię! Podziwiam, że postanowiłaś poanon1547754019ć innym przejść przez tę samą traumę. Ważne jest dla mnie to, o czym mówisz: postawa / komunikacja lekarza z pacjentami. W Republice Czeskiej, między innymi, wybuchł skandal z filmami dokumentalnymi na temat zachowań wobec pacjentów i trwałych konsekwencji (jedną z pacjentek była kobieta w ciąży, której objawy zostały lekceważone przez lekarza, dopóki nie straciła bliźniąt z powodu ciąży pozamacicznej jednego z nich https://www.blesk.cz/clanek/zpravy-pribehy/608716/adamek-cekal-na-zachranu-desitky-minut-marne-dokument-o-aroganci-lekaru-sokoval-i-ministra.html). We wszystkich trzech przypadkach pytanie dotyczyło nie tylko bólu fizycznego i fizycznych konsekwencji, ale także konsekwencji psychologicznych, a szok wynikał głównie z niezdolności komunikacyjnej poszczególnych lekarzy i instytucji. Niezależnie od obiektywnych warunków, można zapobiec wielu tragediom, i świetnie, że Ty już nad tym pracujesz."
1,54313,2019-05-31T12:48:08.127Z,10047,1,11,10,14,0,0,167.2,54313,anon1430716239,anon1430716239,"Cześć, nazywam się Magda Łuczyn i głównie mówię o sobie, że jestem aktywistką. Z wykształcenia filozofką. 
Skupiam się przede wszystkim na prawach kobiet, jednak aktywnie działam też na rzecz osób LGBT oraz promuję jazdę na rowerze jako środek transportu. Mieszkam w Lublinie i próbuję zaszczepiać zainteresowanie tym anon1235093333stem. 
Zawodowo od kilku lat zajmuję się głównie badaniem historii kobiet, jednak lubię wyzwania i różnorodność, dlatego prowadzę dyskusje o tematyce społecznej, organizuję spotkania o książkach i oprowadzam po mieście. Lubię gromadzić te opowieści, bo dla mnie są one kluczowe. Nie boję się trudnych tematów i często poruszam kwestie dotyczące praw reprodukcyjnych, wolności cielesnej czy praw zwierząt i ich losu chociażby w chowie przemysłowym. 
Po Lublinie oprowadzam od ponad dziesięciu lat, ale to rok 2017 był przełomowy pod tym względem. Uczestniczyłam wtedy w projekcie Spacerowicz z tematem „Tego już tam nie ma” i okazało się, że moja propozycja cieszyła się największym zainteresowaniem. Na osiem spacerów przyszła ponad setka osób. Obecnie prowadzę spacery sąsiedzkie po dzielnicy Bronowice w Lublinie. Spacery te są też tłumaczone na PJM (Polski język migowy) Zależy mi aby dawać możliwość uczestniczenia maksymalnie dużemu gronu odbiorców.  
Widzę jeszcze ogromną przestrzeń do badań jeśli chodzi o historię kobiet, nie tylko w Lublinie ale w całym kraju. W ramach spacerów dotyczących kobiet tworzę też autorskie ścieżki. Kwestie dotyczące kobiet szczególnie mnie obecnie zajmują. Okazuje się na przykład, że kobieta opisywana jako żona i anon681684766 w okresie zaborów przenosiła w gorsecie materiały wybuchowe,  ryzykując życie i dekonspirację. Albo kobiety, które obecnie stały się tłem wielkich wydarzeń historycznych jak działalność Solidarności, w rzeczywistości wówczas odgrywały rolę liderek. A teraz pamięć o ich wkładzie i zasługach gdzieś wywietrzała. 
Życie codzienne bywa nie mniej heroiczne niż jednorazowe uczestnictwo w bitwie. Moim zdaniem to codzienność jest wyzwaniem. I to interesuje mnie najbardziej: codzienność, zwykły człowiek i jego historia.

Zdecydowałam się dołączyć do Edgeryders ponieważ zależy mi na tym aby poznawać opinie innych osób i dzięki temu rozumieć powody dla których ludzie podejmują poszczególne decyzje, zarówno polityczne jak i w życiu społecznym. Interesuje mnie wyanon1235093333na poglądów i punktów widzenia.

Na początku przedstawiłam się jako aktywistka i teraz chcę doprecyzować co przez to rozumiem. Moje działania są skierowane na dokonanie zanon1235093333ny społecznej. Nie zajmuję się projektami, które mają tylko ładnie wyglądać na zdjęciu. 

Minęła ponad dekada od momentu kiedy po praz pierwszy odkryłam aktywizm społeczny jako metodę działania. Od tego czasu organizowałam grupę działającą na rzecz osób LGBT, byłam pomysłodawczynią i współorganizatorką pierwszej Manify w Lublinie, koordynowałam też lokalną edycję międzynarodowego festiwalu Transeuropa, który porusza najważniejsze tematy z zakresu sztuki, kultury i polityki szukając nowego, świeżego spojrzenia na wyzwania współczesnej Europy.   

Obecnie współpracuję z miejską instytucją kultury – Galerią Labirynt, Krytyką Polityczną oraz pracuję w Fundacji HerStory."
2,54470,2019-06-03T22:48:07.363Z,10047,0,5,4,1,1,0,6.0,54313,anon3379710332,anon1430716239,"[quote=""anon1430716239, post:1, topic:10047""]
Życie codzienne bywa nie mniej heroiczne niż jednorazowe uczestnictwo w bitwie. Moim zdaniem to codzienność jest wyzwaniem. I to interesuje mnie najbardziej: codzienność, zwykły człowiek i jego historia.

Zdecydowałam się dołączyć do Edgeryders ponieważ zależy mi na tym aby poznawać opinie innych osób i dzięki temu rozumieć powody dla których ludzie podejmują poszczególne decyzje, zarówno polityczne jak i w życiu społecznym. Interesuje mnie wyanon1235093333na poglądów i punktów widzenia.

Na początku przedstawiłam się jako aktywistka i teraz chcę doprecyzować co przez to rozumiem. Moje działania są skierowane na dokonanie zanon1235093333ny społecznej. Nie zajmuję się projektami, które mają tylko ładnie wyglądać na zdjęciu.

Minęła ponad dekada od momentu kiedy po praz pierwszy odkryłam aktywizm społeczny jako metodę działania. Od tego czasu organizowałam grupę działającą na rzecz osób LGBT, byłam pomysłodawczynią i współorganizatorką pierwszej Manify w Lublinie, koordynowałam też lokalną edycję międzynarodowego festiwalu Transeuropa, który porusza najważniejsze tematy z zakresu sztuki, kultury i polityki szukając nowego, świeżego spojrzenia na wyzwania współczesnej Europy.

Obecnie współpracuję z miejską instytucją kultury – Galerią Labirynt, Krytyką Polityczną oraz pracuję w Fundacji HerStory.
[/quote]

Cześć Magda. Dziękuję za udział w platformie. Nazywam się anon3379710332 i jestem wykładowcą na uniwersytecie w Londynie (UCL). Jako badacz interesuję się tożsamością płciową i seksualnością. W związku z tym uważam Polskę za fascynujący, choć sprzeczny kraj. Homofobia i transfobia są wysokie, a jednak Polacy wybrali jedynego członka parlamentu transpłciowego w Europie, a Robert Biedroń pozostaje bardzo popularny. Jak myślisz, dlaczego tak jest?"
3,54570,2019-06-05T09:35:31.896Z,10047,0,4,3,1,0,0,50.8,54313,anon1430716239,anon1430716239,"Doskonale pamiętam te wybory z 2011 roku kiedy Robert Biedroń startował do Sejmu z listy Ruchu Palikota. To było dla mnie wielkie przeżycie i wiązałam z tą kandydaturą wiele nadziei. Wówczas do Sejmu weszła także Wanda Nowicka i Anna Grodzka. To, że do sejmu weszła także Grodzka dla mnie wiązało się z faktem, że w tamtym czasie ludzie mieli wiele nadziei na zanon1235093333nę, że to jest już ten moment kiedy będą wprowadzone związki partnerskie. 
Po Polsce jeździły osoby z Grupy inicjatywnej ds. związków partnerskich i wiele osób liczyło, że w tej kadencji Sejmu zostanie wprowadzony zapis dotyczący związków par tej samej płci (wariantów było kilka). 
Drugim czynnikiem, który zauważam jest to, że Polacy nie są tak homofobiczni jak kreują to media. Z badań przeprowadzonych przez Kampanię Przeciw Homofobii wynika jasno, że poparcie dla równości wzrasta.
W szczególności kiedy ktoś zna osobiście kogoś nieheteronormatywnego. 
Zatem dla mnie czynnikami kluczowymi wtedy były: atmosfera rozbudzonych nadziei, spektakularna kampania Ruchu i mniejsza niechęć wobec osób LGBT.
Obecnie w Polsce jest wyraźnie zauważalna nagonka medialna zarówno na ruch LGBT, feminizm, opozycję, ekologów. Te treści wpływają na sposób postrzegania,  nie ma co do tego wątpliwości.
Myślać o obecnej sytuacji nie można pominąć stanowisk niektórych  samorządów ""wolnych od ideologii LGBT"". W Lublinie Sejmik przyjął takie stanowisko, a za nim kilka mniejszych anon1235093333st. 
Z mojego punktu widzenia nastąpił regres w porównaniu do sytuacji sprzed ośmiu lat. Tu w szczególności nie widzę dużych szans na poprawę sytuacji ze względu na Ministerstwo Edukacji, które blokuje rzetelną wiedzę z zakresu ludzkiej cielesności.A jednocześnie organizacje pozarządowe, które zwykle uzupełniały tę lukę, nie dostają dofinansowania i ograniczają zakres działalności. Dlatego z niepokojem myślę o jesiennych wyborach do Parlamentu."
1,53437,2019-05-14T10:25:42.419Z,9894,0,18,17,4,0,0,38.6,53437,anon781457888,anon781457888,"I got this invitation to go to an event in Warsaw held by Jonas Staal - a Belgian artist who does really interesting work in the domain of politics. Anyone want to go and connect with people there @anon

## Beyond the Nation-State. Transunions

The nation-state is in crisis. The state-sponsored global corporate-economy has generated intense anxiety that has fueled ultranationalist sentiment and a growing support of authoritarian regimes to “take back control.” 

Simultaneously, we are faced with interrelated planetary threats, from offshore tax-havens to species-threatening climate change, that are addressed neither by corporations nor by national governments in an effective way: they contribute to their cause, rather than their solution. 

Transunions gathers various organizations invested in theorizing, mapping and practicing new models of emancipatory transnationalism in the field of politics, economy, ecology, education and culture, striving to establish new models of planetary egalitarianism.

During Transunions transnational organizations, parties, civil platforms, think tanks and activist groups, gather to discuss:
– the meaning of the nation-state;
– the challenges and gains of transnational organizations today;
– the future of a new transnational union.

Gathered together around a single table, they pre-enact a new transnational order of the future into the present.

Transunions will take place in the Palace of Science and Culture on 22nd June - a monumental architecture surrounded by sculptures of internationalist revolutionaries, “gifted” from Stalin to the Polish people. From the Cold War onwards, Poland - in its alliance with the Soviet Union - invested substantially in post-colonial nations in North-Africa and the Middle East. In a time of growing ultranationalism, TRANSUNIONS redefines this internationalist heritage in light of a new transnational horizon.


Studio Jonas Staal in collaboration with Biennale Warszawa
Anna Galas-Kosil (curator), Bartosz Frąckowiak (curator)

With contributions by Dounia Kchiere (former United Nations); Fernando Burges (Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization, UNPO); Andrzej Nowak (philosopher, Poznan University); Abderrahim Kassou (Alternatives Forum of Morocco, FMAS); Esra Küçük (Maxim Gorki Theatre/ Young Islam Conference); Mike van Graan, (African Cultural Policy Network, ACPN); John Jordan (The Laboratory of Insurrectionary Imagination, Zone a Defendre ZAD, Notre Dame des Landes); Amgad Elmahdi (International Water Management Institute, IWMI); Diana Arce and Angelo Camufingo (Black Lives Matter Berlin); Kurdish Women’s Movement; Lorenzo Marsili (DiEM25/European Alternatives/ School of Transnational Activism), Siana Bangura (Black Lives Matter UK); Fiona Dove (Transnational Institute, TNI); Zdenka Badovinac (L’Internationale).

Co-chaired by Joanna Warsza and Chris Keulemans."
2,53443,2019-05-14T11:57:38.514Z,9894,1,13,12,1,0,0,12.6,53437,anon3593942245,anon781457888,"I really wanted us to collaborate with Biennale anyway - remember a few months ago we had this discussion, and I thought of setting up a small shop that would piggyback a little bit on this event as they're extremely interested in what they're doing? I'd be super happy to go, and I already know the people who run the Biennale anyway so things will be easy :) 
How do we proceed?"
3,53445,2019-05-14T12:11:49.809Z,9894,0,12,11,1,0,0,7.4,53443,anon781457888,anon3593942245,get in touch with Jonas Staal on FB
4,53549,2019-05-15T15:42:54.358Z,9894,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,53437,anon3353600255,anon781457888,Unfortunately my schudele is already packed for that weekend
5,54436,2019-06-03T13:03:07.663Z,9894,0,6,5,1,0,0,6.2,53437,anon3593942245,anon781457888,"@anon781457888 - just to confirm, i will go to this one and stay one more day as there is a presentation of a multiciltural map of Warsaw happening as well, which I want to use to get some stories.

Also, i would like to make a second trip a week earlier to attend a [convention](https://biennalewarszawa.pl/konwencja-rolniczek/) of female farmers at biennale - i wrote to the organisers and they added me to the closed session on Friday the 14th  where we will work in different groups on various issues around farming  climate change and feminism. I think it would also bring many interesting angles to the whole populism conversation. 

I would need around 250 eur for both of these trips. Let me know if its possible."
1,53513,2019-05-15T08:27:50.257Z,9901,0,22,21,20,0,0,179.4,53513,anon1443929773,anon1443929773,"Hey Allerseits, 

ich habe @anon2446385507  und @anon

Ich arbeite als freie Journalistin u.a. für den WDR und war in dem Zusammenhang auf der re:publica auf der Suche nach Projekten und Initiativen, die sich in Europa gegen Populismus einsetzen. So habe ich anon2649858692mi und Natalia auf dem Meet-Up von Edgeryders getroffen und von POPrebel erfahren. Beides sind großartige Initiativen!! 

Hier findet ihr den Bericht, den ich für WDR 5 gemacht habe:
https://www1.wdr.de/mediathek/audio/wdr5/wdr5-scala-aktuelle-kultur/audio-republica-kaempft-gegen-digitale-populisten-102.html

Bei Edgeryders überzeugt mich vor allem der Ansatz, Communites zuaufzubauen und stärken, weil ich glaube, dass die Mischung aus gemeinsamer Problemlösung und der Kontakt- und Netzwerkpflege untereinander die beste Medizin gegen Populismus ist.

Ich bin gespannt, wie es für mich in der Community-Arbeit weitergeht.
Viele Grüße an euch alle
Keep up the good work

anon1443929773"
2,53524,2019-05-15T11:16:38.603Z,9901,1,19,18,1,0,0,118.8,53513,anon95046639,anon1443929773,"Hallo @anon1443929773,

 Wir freuen uns sehr dich hier zu haben und deine Perspektive und Erfahrung als Jornalistin ist sehr interesant! Vieleicht könntest du ja eine Diskussion anstossen zum Thema Berichterstattung im Spannungsfeld von Digitalisierung, Populismus und Fake News. Der Begriff Opensource News kam beispielsweise in einer Diskussion letzte Woche auf und deine Meinungen oder Fragen zum Thema wären gewiss sehr wertvoll und ein guter Ansatzpunkt für dich in direkten Kontakt mit anderen Comunitymitgliedern zu kommen. Wenn dich ein anderes Thema mehr interessiert oder du bereits ein Projekt hast das du presentieren oder diskutieren möchtest ist das natürlich auch wunderbar!

Freue mich sehr auf die Kommunianon3213561856ion mit dir und durch dich :)!

Maria (Community Manager)"
3,53584,2019-05-16T12:28:13.563Z,9901,0,13,12,1,0,0,52.6,53513,anon3379710332,anon1443929773,"Hallo @anon1443929773. Es freut mich, dich kennenzulernen! Ich habe deinen Bericht mit Interesse angehört. Ich arbeite im Moment an [UCL SSEES](https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ssees/) in London aber werde hoffentlich nächstes Jahr nach Berlin umziehen, um neun Monate lang an [ZOiS](https://www.zois-berlin.de/) Gastforscher zu arbeiten. Dort werde ich versuchen den deutschen Arm des POPREBEL Projekts zu entwicklen."
4,54289,2019-05-31T07:53:52.106Z,9901,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,53513,anon1443929773,anon1443929773,"Hey anon3379710332, das freut mich zu lesen. Wovon hängt es ab, ob du nach Berlin kommen kannst? Ich wünsche dir viel Erfolg damit. Eine deutsche Version von POPREBEL wäre sehr cool. Meld dich gerne, wenn es soweit ist. Viele Grüße!"
5,54291,2019-05-31T07:58:11.483Z,9901,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,53524,anon1443929773,anon95046639,"Hallo @anon95046639, Danke für deine Nachricht. Ich schaue mir die Diskussion an. Mal sehen, was mir dazu einfällt. Viele Grüße, anon1443929773"
1,54227,2019-05-30T13:51:46.763Z,10037,0,14,13,15,0,0,92.8,54227,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<image here> 
 

Dear community members, this week I'd like us all to warmly welcome three community members, brave and fantastic women who shared incredible experiences from Poland. Which story do you resonate with and why? 

## **@anon

> 'it is difficult to express mourning for a child whom no one has seen and after which nothing has been left except for a birth certificate [...] I suffered PTSD due to hospital experiences'

During her recovery she became a trainer of doctors and midwives to provide better assistance to families who miscarry, abort, or lose a child. What is your own experience with childcare in hospitals? [Read the story here and leave a thoughtful comment?](https://edgeryders.eu/t/opieka-nad-kobieta-tracaca-dziecko-w-trakcie-ciazy-lub-niedlugo-po-porodzie/9849) 

# **@anon616153527 tells us what it means to be a mother on your own expense with no support from the state:**
> ' the Polish state definitely does not help parents who somehow manage. Relief for a child from a tax will not be repaid, because we earn too much. We can not get a subsidy for the nursery for the same reason.'  

Do you know organizations or individuals who are fighting in Poland for better laws to support parental care? [Read the whole story and tell others about your experience: start by leaving a reply here.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/to-nie-jest-kraj-dla-zaradnych-ludzi/9851)

# **@anon3839296096, after she was harassed in her IT job and finally escaped it, finds herself asking** 
> 'Why did not I fight in court? I decided that mobbing is a violence that is difficult to prove and the process itself will destroy me even more. I simply did not have strength.'

Have you ever been persecuted at work? [Tell anon3839296096 and the community about your experience here.]((https://edgeryders.eu/t/mobbing-czy-slowa-sa-w-stanie-oddac-doswiadczenia/9931))

## Go ahead and leave a thoughtful comment to the story you find most interesting! Two reasons why sharing is good for you & good for everyone
1) Sharing your encouragement and your own experience makes others feel listened to and feel that they are not alone.
2) Sharing your experience with the community in Wellbeing in Europe makes you eligible for a Storyteller reward! 
**The best 20 contributions and discussions following them will be rewarded with 200 € per contributor [(more info here).](https://edgeryders.eu/t/show-us-stories-that-matter-become-an-expert-in-a-topic-and-get-paid-200/9823)** 

## How to get started:

* [Create an account](http://communities.edgeryders.eu) on the community forum and leave a comment to the stories above 
OR
* [Post your story here (Add New Topic).](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing)"
2,54232,2019-05-30T14:03:37.903Z,10037,0,11,10,1,0,0,52.2,54227,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Ping @anon4110936133 @anon3353600255 @anon2495109874: read and show some love directly in the stories topics? Either language will do, but normally I use Google translate to formulate something in English, then copy the Polish translation. @anon"
1,53814,2019-05-23T16:08:34.585Z,9962,0,13,12,3,0,0,122.6,53814,anon3379710332,anon3379710332,"Attending were @anon3353600255, @anon

For the benefit of the new members @anon3379710332 introduced the aims of POPREBEL and the role of Edgeryders in facilitating the online ethnography through their platform. @anon3353600255 explained how the platform works and that people add stories in their own languages.

Goran Denić: an artist and sculptor, trained in South Africa and now working in Serbia. He has already been in contact with @anon

@anon

@anon

@anon3379710332 explained that new members could be involved by writing their own stories on the platform (some of which will receive financial rewards) or by acting as connectors, onboarding new members.

Goran agreed to write a story in the Serbian section and try to find other contributors.

@anon3353600255 mentioned that community managers provide full technological guidance to new contributors

@anon"
2,53891,2019-05-24T08:48:28.968Z,9962,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,53814,anon2446385507,anon3379710332,"Hei, thanks guys for having the call and facilitating, beautifully done!!

anon3379710332, Goran is @anon1775928863 on the platform. Sorry I missed you the other day,

@anon"
3,53908,2019-05-24T11:40:34.000Z,9962,1,9,8,1,0,0,11.8,53891,anon3379710332,anon2446385507,Thanks! I've updated the post to include Goran's @anon
4,54147,2019-05-29T13:23:14.682Z,9962,1,7,6,1,0,0,56.4,53908,anon1775928863,anon3379710332,"Hi guys,
sorry I will not attend today's cafe, there is some kind of an unexpected error with my computer. However since I promised to put a topic or a story, I will do it here, it is a work in progress or some kind of development. 
*Why are the most hilarious leaders coming from the grave autocracy* - is a documentary theater play, loosely based on Thomas Bernhard`s *Der Theatermacher*  in the context of rural Serbia in 21st century. The actual interactive performance is set in an ex restaurant, turned scene, in village Babe, Sopot municipality, Belgrade. Actors are mixed up with the restaurant guest who, unaware of what is going on, are offended and provoked, for their conservative political views, economic status, lack of education, nationalism and social immobility.

The integration of artistic creativity and the social context of the audiences - is in the core of this sociological and theatrical project. The research approach is carried out through the framework of workshops serving to provoke actors' dialogue with the local population about the stiffness of social processes in local rural areas. The pressure is enhanced by the presence of two cameramen as they are recording arguments, debates and dialogues; a constant reminder of the past failures and frustrations by their present living in some kind of a ghetto, without possibilities for social development, or at least willingness to change."
5,54166,2019-05-29T15:45:30.748Z,9962,1,5,4,1,0,0,11.0,54147,anon2446385507,anon1775928863,"hei @anon1775928863, all good if you skip a call, or more :-))

I suggest you post your story in a new topic in Wellbeing in Europe so that we can promote it properly and bring more people in. You can even post it in Serbian in the Serbian group, that would be great actually!

And while some thing they live in some kind of Ghetto, @anon919507725 was reporting on the president making statements like: Serbians live better than Germans? This is a huge disconnect.|
Her discussion starter here: 

https://edgeryders.eu/t/vucic-u-srbiji-se-bolje-zaraduje-nego-u-nemackoj-sta-mislite-o-tome/9935"
6,54192,2019-05-30T05:34:12.000Z,9962,0,5,4,1,0,0,51.0,54166,anon1775928863,anon2446385507,"Hi anon2649858692mi,

Thanks for suggestions. As you suggested I will put a topic, both international and Serbian, just to see what is going on with my computer. Talk to you soon.

<img src='/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2485d26919316b1d80aa60f5ca8e2cb5bc0275fe.jpeg' width='45' height='45'>



<img src='/uploads/default/original/2X/5/52e3d8429dc9df354e80745a95a85b3abf8eb09e.jpeg' width='20' height='20'>"
1,54109,2019-05-28T22:19:01.457Z,10022,0,8,7,1,0,0,51.6,54109,anon3379710332,anon3379710332,"<image here> 
 

Wie die Ereignisse der Europawahl gezeigt hat, war die Umwelt an der Spitze der Köpfe von vielen Deutschen letzte Woche. Obwohl ein AfD-Abgeordnete versucht hat, über Klimaaktivisten wie die 16-jährige Greta Thunberg herzuziehen, indem er sie Mitschuld am Terroranschlag von Christchurch gegeben hat, hat diese Taktik der rechtspopulistischen Partei nicht geholfen, die Grünen zu übertreffen. Die Grünen haben fast zweimal so viel Stimmen gekriegt und lagen bundesweit an zweiter Stelle nach der CDU-CSU. Obwohl die AfD, mit 11% der Stimmen, landesweit erst an vierten Stelle war, haben dennoch viel mehr Wähler in den östlichen Bundesländern für sie gestimmt als vielerorts im Westen. [Die *Süddeutsche Zeitung* fragt warum.](https://www.sueddeutsche.de/meinung/afd-europawahl-ostdeutschland-1.4464282)"
2,54235,2019-05-30T14:28:13.595Z,10022,0,1,0,0,0,0,0.2,54109,anon2446385507,anon3379710332,"Hi @anon3379710332 it would help the topic a lot if you would:

1) add a story from the forum
2) your own personal take on these results. How do they make you feel? Do you care for the environment? Are you hopeful for the Greens? Why do you think people responded so well to AfD? Do you personally know someone who votes AfD? 

Then we can push it out.. :D"
1,53664,2019-05-19T23:44:43.349Z,9932,1,12,11,2,0,0,77.4,53664,anon3379710332,anon3379710332,"<image here> 
 

Diese Woche habe ich [meine erste Geschichte](https://edgeryders.eu/t/wie-sagt-man-aaaaaaaaaaagh-auf-deutsch/9891) – über meine Erfahrungen als Migrant in Berlin mit dem deutschen Gesundheitssystem – auf der Edgeryders-Plattform geschrieben. Wollen Sie ihre eigene Erfahrungen mit dem Gesundheitssystem oder ihre Meinung zum Thema Gesundheitsversorgung mitteilen?

Diese Woche haben wir auch ein neues Mitglied vom Wellbeing in Europe Community begrüßen dürfen. @anon1443929773 ist Journalistin, die u.a. für WDR in Deutschland arbeitet. Sie ist immer auf der Suche nach Projekten und Initiativen, die sich in Europa gegen Populismus einsetzen. Bei Edgeryders überzeugt sie vor allem unser Ansatz, Communites aufzubauen und zu stärken: “Ich glaube, dass die Mischung aus gemeinsamer Problemlösung und der Kontakt- und Netzwerkpflege untereinander die beste Medizin gegen Populismus ist.” Vielen Dank dafür, dass du dich vorgestellt hast! Wir hoffen, dass auch andere werden ihre eigene Geschichten erzählen wollen.

Eine große Populismus-Nachrichtengeschichte diese Woche in Deutschland war in Bezug auf den Versuch eines AfD-Abgeordneten, Klimaaktivisten wie die 16-jährige Greta Thunberg Mitschuld am Terroranschlag von Christchurch zu geben: 

www.fr.de/meinung/afd-politiker-gibt-klimaaktivisten-greta-thunberg-eine-mitschuld-anschlag-christchurch-11859706.html

Warum, ihrer Meinung nach, kämpfen Populisten gegen Klimaschutz?"
2,53892,2019-05-24T08:52:05.734Z,9932,0,6,5,1,1,0,6.2,53664,anon2446385507,anon3379710332,"[quote=""anon3379710332, post:1, topic:9932""]
Warum, ihrer Meinung nach, kämpfen Populisten gegen Klimaschutz?
[/quote]

Eine schwierige!
In Ihrem Fall sind Populisten auf der rechten Seite, ist es also nicht vorhersehbar, dass sie gegen etwas Fortschrittliches kämpfen würden, insbesondere gegen linke Jugendliche? Gleichzeitig wissen erfahrene Politiker in dem Moment, in dem sie sich mit (wenn auch klugen) Kindern messen, dass sie verlieren. Sind Sie sich nicht sicher, [ob es seit den Wahlen 2017 bergab geht?](https://www.thelocal.de/20190408/afd-support-falls-to-lowest-level-in-a-year-poll-finds)"
1,53812,2019-05-23T15:55:55.433Z,9960,0,5,4,1,0,0,6.0,53812,anon870818717,anon870818717,"This site serves as a vast, global talent pool, which connects employers and businesses with highly-skilled engineers in their local area. If you’re looking for a freelance engineering job, the [fieldengineer.com ](https://www.fieldengineer.com/engineer-signup)freelance marketplace will grant you access to opportunities that suit your skill set and level of expertise. Covering 170 countries and offering a seamless process to browse through and apply for jobs, it’s never been easier to find freelance engineering work."
1,51524,2019-03-11T08:06:49.607Z,9586,0,51,50,205,0,0,1060.2,51524,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"
![virtual%20caf%C3%A9%20all|690x262](upload://3ebE5G7DXpDXwyTGFUlNDknCoFp.png) 

Welcome and sign up for a virtual cafes! This is the easiest way to learn about the community of participants in Wellbeing in Europe, meet interesting people, access information and opportunities in the project. Come if you would like to find out more, are willing to share your experience, listen to others, learn and connect.

## How it works

Participating in virtual cafes will help you become an active community member and learn how to access opportunities in the project: perhaps you want to become a local expert on a topic? or a local connector? or a member of our global team?

## Where do I register?

* in English, Wednesdays - [Register here](https://zoom.us/meeting/register/a712d7b6c021c591cde7dc3c8da9331e)
* in Czech, Thursdays - [Register here](https://zoom.us/meeting/register/73921bc6029d65ce66858a512be5123a )
* in Polish, Mondays - [Register here](https://zoom.us/meeting/register/e67975f4aa9aae0a8c34be5db4a05ad8)
* in Serbian/Croatian - [Register here](https://zoom.us/meeting/register/fa65ddeddc44849ddc2040ba88984b7b)

Where do we meet?
We will be hosting the calls on Zoom - an easy to use video/audio/chat communication platform.  

How to join a Zoom call: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFhAEoCF7jg

Learn more about the online gatherings [here.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/sign-up-for-weekly-online-gatherings/9570)"
2,51561,2019-03-12T08:38:47.647Z,9586,0,28,27,1,0,0,10.6,51524,anon3593942245,anon2446385507,"let's try it on Monday evening, 6PM CET for Poland"
3,51594,2019-03-12T14:43:18.519Z,9586,0,26,25,1,0,0,10.2,51524,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Czech call would work the best on Thursdays, 6 PM., but technically, this and the next week is not possible:/"
4,51661,2019-03-14T09:56:59.759Z,9586,2,25,24,1,0,0,20.0,51524,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Ok, check the updated registration pages now? I have scheduled them from end of March until end of July in this iteration. When you will have a description in your language of the calls send it over?

Example:
_Welcome and sign up for a virtual cafes! This is the easiest way to learn about the community of participants in Wellbeing in Europe, meet interesting people, access information and opportunities in the project. The meetings are informal discussions with anyone who is interested in Wellbeing in Europe, is willing to share their experience, listen to others, and connect. 
After registration check your email where you will receive a link to join the call!_ 

(please adapt as you find fit!)

For English language calls I will go with Wednesdays 6 PM CET.  Hope this works for you all so you can drop in from time to time? We will use them as both open team calls, project introductions to newcomers and coordination for the global Festival team."
5,51772,2019-03-18T14:06:09.004Z,9586,1,24,23,1,0,0,14.8,51661,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Vítejte a přihlaste se do virtuální kavárny! Je to nejjednodušší způsob, jak se dozvědět o komunitě účastníků projektu Životní spokojenost v Evropě, seznámit se se zajímavými lidmi, zísanon3213561856 přístup k informacím a příležitostem nabízeným v rámci projektu. Schůzky jsou neformální diskusí s každým, kdo má zájem o projekt Životní spokojenost v Evropě, je ochoten sdílet své zkušenosti, naslouchat ostatním a navazovat kontakty.
Po registraci si pouze zkontrolujte Váš e-mail, na který obdržíte odkaz, přes nějž se připojíte k online diskuzi!"
6,51776,2019-03-18T14:10:48.993Z,9586,0,20,19,1,0,0,54.0,51772,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"This is a possible translation. But, please, do not get me wrong - in cases of urgency, I can always help, have quite a good software developed by our Institute and I am also quick - could be of everybody's interest, in case anyone needs to read some things in czech: https://lindat.mff.cuni.cz/services/translation/"
7,51778,2019-03-18T14:16:24.934Z,9586,1,19,18,1,0,0,58.8,51661,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"I am not sure, whether you discussed the topic name further, but I would prefer ""Životní spokojenost v Česku"", Instead of ""Dobrý život."" But both are acceptable for me:) There may be a little mistake in the schedule - it is all Mondays, but Thursdays are the good time for the Czech team:-P"
8,51808,2019-03-19T07:55:05.341Z,9586,1,18,17,1,1,0,13.6,51778,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"[quote=""anon3353600255, post:7, topic:9586""]
Životní spokojenost v Česku
[/quote]
Yeah, you offered many choices and I didnt understand your preference, so blindly chose one :-))
Thanks for clarifying, made all the changes, added your translation, hope it's all good!

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/73921bc6029d65ce66858a512be5123a"
9,51822,2019-03-19T10:24:24.779Z,9586,0,19,18,1,0,0,53.8,51808,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Great, we managed to get on the same page:)"
10,52811,2019-04-24T20:09:15.397Z,9586,0,17,16,1,0,0,8.4,51524,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,
11,53655,2019-05-19T07:08:29.229Z,9586,1,17,16,1,0,0,103.4,51524,anon1775928863,anon2446385507,"Hi everyone, let me give you a short info about myself. My name is Goran Denić, I am an art director of ZMUC, a small art organization from Belgrade with large audience. I am not very fond of the cafes, virtual or analogue, but I will take this opportunity to translate into Serbian an ""example"" for those people in Serbia who might love to get involved but speak no English. 
_Dobrodošli i upišite se u virtuelni kafe! Ovo je najlakši način da shvatite kako radi zajednica koja učestvuje u Dobrobit u Evropi, da se upoznate sa zanimljivim ljudima, da imate pristup informacijama i mogućnostima u sklopu ovog projekta. Sastanci su neformalne rasprave sa svima koje zanima Dobrobit u Evropi, koji su spremni da podele svoja iskustva, saslušaju druge, i da se njima povežu. Nakon registracije proverite svoj e mejl gde će vam stići link da se pridružite pozivu!_
I am new to this kind of communication so please be gentle to me, I promise I will get used to it  quickly."
12,53669,2019-05-20T07:25:58.536Z,9586,0,17,16,3,0,0,18.4,53655,anon2446385507,anon1775928863,"This is so generous of you @anon1775928863, I have of course added the translation, same for the [Serbian forum summary]( https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing), like you suggested. We are humbled to see your interest in the project, and please bear with us as we too, are getting used to running a coordinated multilingual platform :slight_smile: 

I saw that you registered for a Serbian cafe,  I am emailing you and other participant with a proposal, as the calls in Serbian have not actually started yet, we still need to make some decisions with the project team - @anon4110936133 and @anon
Many thanks again!"
1,53608,2019-05-17T07:38:40.143Z,9921,0,15,14,61,0,0,398.0,53608,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<image here> 
 

Hi all, I'd like to share with you what is on the horizon this week in our growing community!
Edgeryders has always been multilingual, but never before as today. If you happen to see posts in languages other than your own don't hesitate to translate the page i.e. in English and leave comments in any language.  

**We have the first ever [story in Czech](https://edgeryders.eu/t/lekaruv-pacient-nebo-pacientuv-lekar/9893) on Edgeryders!** Meet @anon3353600255, researcher at Charles University in Prague, who shares his story of feeling trapped in a 90s public hospital in Boheanon1235093333, with a broken leg. He felt like he was in a house of horror, where doctors and nurses had to work hundreds of hours of unpaid overtime for ridiculous money. Similarly, his friend is struggling to fight off inaccurate medication that made her symptoms worse!

[quote]
What experience do you have in making your own decisions about your medical care? Have you experienced anything from a healthcare perspective that you would have done differently as patients in retrospect? 
[/quote]


**Tremendous stories from Poland!** The lovely @anon2734079508 titled hers: 'How I became a sex educator'. After 13 years of activism and volunteerism, her passion has become her work and London, where she is based now, provides that opportunity. 

[quote]
No government after 1989 met international and national obligations - reliable sexual education or refunded contraception is still not in Poland. What has changed in recent years is consciousness, that our well-being also depends on the possibility of making autonomous decisions in the field of sexuality (the Ponton Group has great merit in this field) and the need to create the right conditions for it. For a change at the law level, we must vote for politicians and politicians who are able to talk about it openly. What each of us can do privately is to think about our own experiences related to sex education and how they affect our lives, as well as expand our knowledge based on good sources [(full story in Polish)](https://edgeryders.eu/t/dlaczego-zostalam-eduanon3213561856orka-seksualna/9857)

[/quote] 

**Before ending, let's welcome the latest community member in Wellbeing in Europe!** @anon1443929773 is a journalist working for the WDR station in Germany. She wants to work on projects combating populism and sees the best potential in collaborative problem solving and communities like Edgeryders: **'I believe that this combination of problem-solving, contact and network nurturing among each other is the best ""medicine"" against populism.'** Well done anon1443929773 for introducing yourself, and hoping others who are around will also tell their personal experiences!  

## **A reminder to all, we are looking for stories of wellbeing in health, work, and morality/ spirituality. Learn more about it and give it a try!**

https://edgeryders.eu/t/show-us-stories-that-matter-become-an-expert-in-a-topic-and-get-paid-200/9823/"
1,53576,2019-05-16T07:10:29.872Z,9917,0,14,13,14,0,0,117.8,53576,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Attending were @anon3379710332, @anon3353600255, @anon

Intros: most of us are part of the team at Wellbeing in Europe. We use these calls as both an open team coordination and an opportunity to meet new people who can learn about our community research and share their story.

Ellen: a youth trend researcher who joined Civic Innovators Network (CIN in Brussels) 2 years ago. At the moment doing the job as a freelancers. 'From CIN we evolved into Brussel Avenir (transl. Brussels Future) - an organisation developing a participatory way to construct new narratives for the future of Brussels. We also experiment a lot with crowdsourcing narratives. It's how i learned about the project. I find your future narrative and how you present the vision very attractive.

We each share where we are with our stories:

anon3379710332: just posted [my story: How do you say Aaaaaaagh in German,](https://edgeryders.eu/t/wie-sagt-man-aaaaaaaaaaagh-auf-deutsch/9891/7) about health care provision to migrants from the time he was in Berlin. Got me thinking to people in worse situation than myself.

Ellen: What I've been intrigued by in the last years is tribes of youngsters who dont go in their own classrooms at the moment, they have their own online communities, facebook but also gaming chats and others. They're sort of growing up and forming their identity - it leaves a big role for them. They're experimenting a lot with their physical and their mental health, quite extreme: before, it used to be that the weird ones were the ones from rural areas or what not. Nowadays, everyone is experimenting.

Some examples:
* **[the Blue Whale Challenge](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-46505722)** started 2 years ago; facebook group where many young people joined, the comm leaders starting challenging them, for example to wake up in the middle of the night.. challenges became bigger and bigger, and addictive. To the point where they would ask you to scratch a whale in your arm and commit suicide.

* **in Slovakia, Catholic communities are very popular and cool among young people** - catholic rock concerts, the way they use their social media, same as spirituality and belonging played a big role in that. Same as we had many people leaving for the Caliphate.

Jiri: they're young people, but not much younger than us. Thanks maybe to the online space as a matter of acquiring this sort of information. Gaming community - you dont know the age of people there.. those dynamics are very specific.

Ellen: On one hand, it's fascinating, but also scary that **these platforms are diversifying and the way the interaction is happening is hyper diverse.** As a youth researcher, it becomes more difficult every year to find access to those platforms. We had **[Schild en Vrienden](https://www.diggitanon1547754019zine.com/column/model-behind-schild-en-vrienden) in Ghent - this group of youngters not visible, and shocking everybody.** Or you have girls and boys with anorexia and exchanging ids to starve themselves. Not only for research purposes important, but for ways of reaching out to them.

At Brussel Avenir, we want to bring the concept of futures to citizens. We live in such a diverse city that we need hundreds of different strategies to reach all those communities. The world becomes super complex to study.

anon2649858692mi: How would you see those narratives being told?
We are in the process of developing this tool - a persona / profiles of the populations in Brussels, and we have them around the table all the time. If we think about how we get them engaged, how we involve this person sitting on the table with us (metaphorically). Making stories that speak to the people. 
 
anon2649858692mi: I find the angle through which we approach a group important. Was particularly impressed by this podcast on telling **the story of a redeemed incel guy in two radically different ways.** It matters so much for how we see groups that are somehow special:

[quote]
And starting around 2000, the line starts to dip for all dimensions of empathy - either just understanding someone's position, which is called perspective taking, and empathic concern, the one about tender feelings. More students start saying it's not their problem to help people in trouble, not their job to see the world from someone else's perspective. [source](https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712276022/the-end-of-empathy) 
[/quote]

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## Liked this conversation? Do you know of groups who tell us curious things about this changing world? Join us for the [next Virtual Cafe](https://edgeryders.eu/t/register-for-a-virtual-cafe-online-gathering/9586/11) or directly share your story:

1. How are you or others you know providing care?

2. How do you manage to stay morally and psychologically well? Are you spiritual?

3. How do you access work and prosperity? How does it work in your community?

You can write [in English and other languages](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/eu), [in Polish](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/pl), or [in Czech](https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz). Add New Topic on those pages. 
Your story qualifies you to be eligible for a financial, symbolic reward of [200 eur.](https://edgeryders.eu/t/show-us-stories-that-matter-become-an-expert-in-a-topic-and-get-paid-200/9823)"
1,53273,2019-05-09T11:29:37.923Z,9873,0,15,14,7,0,0,38.0,53273,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"_Jaký je morální kodex člověka? A odkud se bere?_
_Co znamená spiritualita v 21. století?_

Přestože je Česká republika jednou z nejvíce sekulárních zemí v regionu (podle
[Českého statistického úřadu](https://vdb.czso.cz/vdbvo2/faces/index.jsf?page=vystup-objekt&pvo=ZVCR014&pvokc=&anon3213561856alog=30719&z=T) se ve sčítání lidu v roce 2011 80% populace prohlásilo za ateisty nebo neuvedlo jakoukoliv náboženskou příslušnost), hodnoty kultury a symbolická vyjádření
blahobytu jsou spojována s vysokým stupněm duchovnosti.

Je možné, že morální a duchovní hodnoty, s nimiž vychováváme své děti, abychom je připravili na jejich budoucí život, jsou jiné, než v minulosti, ve které mnozí z nás vyrůstali?

Ekologické anon3213561856astrofy, globální pandemie, použití zbraní vážně kontaminujících vybrané válkou zničené oblasti, teroristické útoky, všudypřítomná hrozba války s apokalyptickými důsledky, posouvání hranic lidské zkušenosti a existence v lékařských, sociálních a psychologických oblastech … to jsou jen některé z obrysů nové reality, dlouhodobé sociální krize, jejímiž protagonisty jsme i my. To platí zejména pro zeměpisné oblasti, jako je západní Balkánu, jejíž obyvatelé osobně zažili ošklivou podstatu nové globální sociální reality. Víru v budoucnost, která nám přinese uspokojení, lepší zdraví a vzdělání, bezpečnost a úlevu, nahradily obavy a pochybnosti o tom, zda bude v budoucnosti, která nás čeká, vůbec možný život.

Tyto změny jsou výsledkem moderního životního stylu - stěhování do velkých měst, přístupu k vyššímu vzdělání, lepší zdravotní péči. Čím lépe žijeme, tím méně se zřejmě zajímáme o Boha - a to je případ většiny rozvinutých a rozvojových zemí. Sekularizace po celém světě jde obvykle ruku v ruce se zlepšením ekonomických podmínek.

Jak se hospodářská a politická krajina předchozích generací stále mění, všímáme si pocitu nestability a úzkosti, který zažívá mnoho občanů v různých částech Evropy i mimo ni. Možná je potřeba zamyslet se nad tím, co potřebujeme, abychom se v této nové době vyrovnali a byli psychicky a emocionálně zdraví.

Podíváme-li se pod povrch, vidíme vzestup církevních hnutí a nových duchovních a kulturních organizací, jako jsou [ženské gospelové sbory](http://gospel.centrumgenerace.cz/clanky/14/o-nas/) (Generační centrum v Liberci) nebo dokonce jóga! V Polsku někteří lidé reagují tím, že vyjadřují obrovskou podporu rodičům, kteří okupují parlament, ve snaze zlepšit život svých [postižených dětí](https://www.apnews.com/e6773e8b31bf45b4a85b48511bb191a2). V Řecku lidé uplatňují hodnoty [solidarity](https://edgeryders.eu/t/care-by-communities-greeces-shadow-zero-cash-health-care-system/4880), aby se vypořádali s rozpadem systému zdravotní péče; ze Srbska slyšíme volání po rovnosti a empatii k [LGBT menšinám](https://edgeryders.eu/t/lgbtq-in-serbia/824).

Rádi bychom společně přemýšleli o tom, co lze udělat pro to, aby lidé kolem nás získali emocionální a psychologickou podporu, která by jim umožnila lépe se připravit na výzvy naší doby. Jaké jsou prvky naší minulosti, které nám mohou pomoci udržet si duchovní a morální blahobyt jako jednotlivci i jako společenství a které nám již nejsou užitečné?

Chceme zjistit, jak je vaše kultura podobná nebo odlišná od toho, jak se v tomto ohledu chovají lidé v jiných částech světa. Stejně jako to, co se můžeme naučit jeden od druhého. Jak se vaše osobní víra přizpůsobuje nebo nesouhlasí s vírou lidí, které znáte? Považujete se ve své zemi za normu nebo výjimku? A jak přispíváte ke společným hodnotám a současné ""národní kultuře""?

Tyto otázky jsou významné s ohledem na naše hledání porozumění blahobytu z různých hledisek, včetně spokojeného soužití v našich zemích a s ostatními Evropany.

Pro tuto potřebu jsme vytvořili zvláštní fórum, kde můžeme bezpečně hovořit o důležitých tématech. Vyhneme se zde konfliktům a urážkám, poskytneme všem účastníkům vhodné podmínky k vyjádření vlastních zkušeností, názorů a pocitů. Bez odsuzování nebo vnucování našich myšlenek jeden druhému.

Díky vám pochopíme, jaké jsou životní zkušenosti obyvatel vaší části světa - mluvíme o tom s Poláky, Srby, Čechy, Maďary a s každým, kdo k tomu má co říct.

1) Podělte se o své osobní zkušenosti v novém tématu, zde: https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz
2) Zveme vás k účasti na této diskuzi. Vítejte u nás na poklidném virtuálním chatu, kde se seznámíte s dalšími účastníky a dozvíte se více o této iniciativě zde: http://bit.ly/2P9pkms

Těšíme se na setkání s vámi,

Jiří, Maja, Natalia, anon2649858692mi"
1,53271,2019-05-09T11:25:12.795Z,9872,0,12,11,2,0,0,12.4,53271,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"_Co vás zajímá?_
_Kdo zajišťuje péči ve vaší rodině, ve vašem městě?_
_Kdo by se měl starat o stárnoucí lidi? Za co? Děti?_
_Jak si myslíte, že vypadá péče ve vaší zemi? Jak se staráte o ostatní?_

Péče je klíčovým prvkem zdravé společnosti. Jeho kvalita a dostupnost se promítá do kvality života - to se týká jak zdravotní, psychologické, tak sociální péče. Naše možnosti zapojit se do společnosti závisí na tom, zda v našich městech máme lékaře a kliniky, nemocnice a školky, lidi pomáhající starším a zdravotně postiženým v každodenních činnostech, podporu chudých rodin nebo bezdomovců.

Zdravotní péče přitom pokulhává - lékaři, kteří jsou špatně placeni, často považují přesun do soukromého sektoru nebo nakonec do [jiné země](http://neviditelnypes.lidovky.cz/zdravotnictvi-proc-mladi-lekari-odchazeji-do-zahranici-pig-/p_politika.aspx?c=A190220anon33137905321245_p_politika_wag) za jedinou schůdnou variantu. V důsledku toho je veřejný systém personálně poddimenzovaný, zdravotnickému personálu ze zahraničí však není umožněno tak snadno zaplnit mezery. Snaha najít byť jen zubaře se ukazuje jako dost únavná, na některých místech doslova nemožná a i poté, co se člověku podaří dohodnout si vyšetření nna termín za daší čtyři měsíce, už nemusí být vůbec užitečná.

Dosáhnout na soukromou zdravotní péči je pro většinu lidí finančně nemožné, a proto jsou zcela závislí na veřejném systému.

Stále častěji zaznamenáváme, že lidé požadují nezbytné změny - které z nich osobně považujete za nejnaléhavější?

Ani úplné spolehnutí se na veřejný systém nezbavuje pacienty všech finančních výdajů na zdravotní péči. Zvláště rodiny s nízkými příjmy a důchodci jsou silně zatíženi dodatečnými náklady, přičemž nedostávají zvláštní sociální podporu.

Výpočty nároků na sociální podporu, které jsou samy o sobě poměrně složité, jsou z velké části založeny na poměru výdělků domácností k životnímu minimu stanovenému státem. Tato matematická konstanta se však stále [řídí standardem z roku 2012](https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/finance/nizkoprijmova-rodina-na-jake-davky-ma-narok/r~ee7ed402496e11e9b5e8ac1f6b220ee8/), který v průběhu času činí méně lidí způsobilími k získání této podpory. Zejména vzhledem k tomu, [že ceny nemovitostí a nájmů v poslední době raketově rostou](https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/ekonomika/mapa-kolik-vydaju-vydaji-domacnosti-na-bydleni/r~286b49d65abb11e9b6a9ac1f6b220ee8/), jsou rozsáhlé části společnosti vystaveny extrémnímu tlaku, aby zvážily, zda si mohou dovolit zajistit i své základní potřeby, jako je zdravotní péče.

S celkově rostoucím průměrným věkem populace leží větší odpovědnost na bedrech lidí produktivního věku. Aby bylo možné se s tímto obecným trendem vyrovnat, stává se zaměstnávání seniorů stále častějším jevem, nicméně ne vždy je s nimi zacházeno spravedlivě ve srovnání s jejich mladšími protějšky. Ale přeci jen, děti nemohou pracovat, aby pomohly svým rodinám v nejisté finanční situaci...

Možná znáte nejaký problém z vlastní zkušenosti a máte nápady, které by vám pomohly vyrovnat se s touto výzvou?

Nedávné statistiky ukázaly, že více lidí než kdy jindy se snaží řešit svou situaci zavázáním se ke nevýhodným půjčkám od nebankovních institucí a jedna třetina populace je v současnosti hodnocena jako [zadlužená s vysokým rizikem](https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/pruzkum-kazdy-treti-cech-se-zadluzuje-rizikove/1726575) (krytí stávajících dluhů novými půjčkami, sjednání několika půjček najednou atd.). Někdy je takové chování spojené s nízkou úrovní finanční gramotnosti či nedostatkem jiných možností a pomoci poskytované v tomto ohledu části společnosti s nižšími příjmy.

Zajímá nás váš názor na sociální a zdravotní péči v České republice. Myslíte si, že by měl stát změnit systém sociální a zdravotní podpory pro ty, kteří to potřebují? Měl by poskytovat lepší pomoc a pobídky pro finanční konsolidaci? Jak si myslíte, že může společnost nebo místní komunity přispět k formování systému, aby byl aktuální s ohledem na současné výzvy? Znáte nějaké příklady účinných řešení z vašeho okolí nebo z jiných zemí?

Pro tuto potřebu jsme vytvořili zvláštní fórum, kde můžeme bezpečně hovořit o důležitých tématech. Vyhneme se zde konfliktům a urážkám, poskytneme všem účastníkům vhodné podmínky k vyjádření jejich vlastních názorů a pocitů.

Díky vám pochopíme, jaké jsou životní zkušenosti Poláků, Srbů, Čechů, Maďarů a každého, kdo k tomu má co říct.

Zveme vás k účasti na této diskuzi.

1) Podělte se o své osobní zkušenosti v novém tématu, zde: https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/cz
2) Vítejte u nás na poklidném virtuálním chatu, kde se seznámíte s dalšími účastníky a dozvíte se více o této iniciativě zde: http://bit.ly/2P9pkms

Těšíme se na setkání s vámi,
anon4110936133, Jiří, John, Maja, Maria, Natalia, anon2649858692mi"
1,53101,2019-05-04T13:24:06.619Z,9851,0,22,21,7,0,0,189.4,53101,anon616153527,anon616153527,"<image here> 
 

W 2018 roku w Polsce wg danych GUS urodziło się 388 tysięcy dzieci, pośród nich również moja córka. Cała ciąża wraz z następującymi po jej zakończeniu miesiącami stały się ciekawą, acz nazbyt często gorzką refleksją na temat tego, jak państwo polskie podchodzi do opieki nad najmłodszymi obywatelami. Nie budując specjalnie napięcia, mogę od razu przejść do puenty, która sprowadza się do stwierdzenia, że jak droga Polko i Polaku, radzicie so
bie jakoś w życiu, to dalej radźcie sobie sami.

Dlaczego? Zacznijmy może od początku.

Mieszkam w Warszawie, od kilku lat mam męża, oboje jesteśmy tzw. ""słoikami"", pracujemy w branży IT. Zimą 2018 roku okazało się, że jestem w ciąży, była to dla nas świetna wiadomość. Było to jednocześnie mocne zderzenie z rzeczywistością, w której niby ciężarna i dziecko mają gwarantowaną opiekę, ale niestety w teorii.
Przez całą ciążę płaciłam z własnej kieszeni za badania, wizyty u lekarzy, USG. Płaciłam za nekologa, płaciłam za diabetologa, który zdając sobie sprawę że liczy się czas, wciska mnie do państwowego szpitala, żeby ustawić mi leczenie. Płaciłam za recepty na insulinę, która refundowana nie była, ale jest za to nowszej generacji i działa, w przeciwieństwie do tej refundowanej przez NFZ. Płaciłam również za położną w szpitalu, tyle dobrego że szpitalu państwowym, więc za sam poród rachunku nie dostałam.

Opieka ginekologiczna, diabetologiczna, endokrynologiczna, badania i USG są rzecz jasna teoretycznie finansowane przez państwo, ale korzystanie z tych usług wyanon1547754019 sporej dozy czasu, cierpliwości w wyszukiwaniu terminów i uniżoności przy umizgiwaniu się do pań w rozmaitych okienkach rejestracyjnych. Czasu i cierpliwości na to nie anon1235093333łam, pracowałam i jakoś sobie radziłam, płaciłam więc za wszystko z własnej kieszeni.

Jakoś-sobie-radzenie i płacenie kontynuuję również po porodzie. Płaciłam za porady laktacyjne, które niby szpital oferował, ale położna zawsze była zajęta. Płaciłam za prywatną wizytę u chirurga
dziecięcego, bo w szpitalu niby sprawdzano stan zdrowia dziecka, ale jakoś nie sprawdzono że przez fizjologiczną wadę w obrębie buzi nie może ssać prawidłowo i wyanon1547754019ny jest drobny zabieg chirurgiczny. Dalej płacę również za prywatne wizyty u pediatry (bo najbliższy
termin na NFZ za 4 tygodnie), za USG bioder (nie ma terminów) i szczepienia. Płacę za wizyty u neurologów, dermatologów. Płacę, bo nie mogę czekać, pieniądze są cudowną furtką do świata, w którym ja i dziecko jesteśmy traktowani podmiotowo, a pomoc lekarska dostarczana jest wtedy, kiedy jest nam potrzebna.

Jakoś-sobie-radzenie i płacenie trwać będzie również po zakończonym urlopie macierzyńskim, ponieważ moja córka nie ma szans na żłobek państwowy. Punkty w rekrutacji przyznawane są za to, że nad rodziną czuwa kurator sądowy, MOPS, za to że rodzina jest niepełna, z problemami 
 inansowymi, za rodzeństwo. Za to, że obydwoje rodziców pracuje i płaci podatki w swoim miejscu zamieszkania i jakoś sobie radzi, punktów jest tyle co kot napłakał. Obserwuję pozycję na liście
oczekujących na żłobek od dnia zapisu i zaanon1235093333st być coraz bliżej przyjęcia, jest to coraz mniej 
 rawdopodobne. Pozostaje żłobek prywatny. Festiwal jakoś-sobie-radzenia i płącenia trwa.

Z mojego doświadczenia wynika, że państwo polskie zdecydowanie nie poanon1547754019 rodzicom, którzy jakoś sobie radzą. Ulgi na dziecko z podatku nie odpiszemy, bo zarabiamy za dużo. Na dopłatę do żłobka się nie załapujemy z tego samego powodu. Paradoksem jest, że jak zapłacimy za żłobek rywatny, będziemy pewnie w gorszej sytuacji finansowej niż niejeden rodzic, który zarabia od nas niej, ale nie musi co miesiąc wydać znacznej części swojego wynagrodzenia na prywatny żłobek. No ale sami sobie jesteśmy winni, przecież sobie jakoś radzimy.

Moim marzeniem jest państwo, które dba o to, żeby rodzice po urlopie rodzicielskim mogli wrócić do swojej pracy, bo ich firma się rozwija dzięki stabilnej sytuacji gospodarczej. Państwo, w którym i mama, i tata mogą wziąć urlop rodzicielski, a wracając do pracy mają spokojną głowę, bo mają  agwarantowany żłobek dla dziecka. Takie państwo, w którym każde dziecko ma zapewniony termin szczepienia, za które rodzic nie płaci. Marzy mi się po prostu takie państwo, w którym obywatele nie są karani za zaradność."
2,53283,2019-05-09T13:51:58.940Z,9851,0,17,16,1,0,0,8.4,53101,anon3593942245,anon616153527,"Dzięki za tą historię, @anon616153527 - trochę mrozi ona krew w żyłach, bo wydawało się, że dobrobyt w Polsce wciąż się pomnaża, a obecny rząd przede wszystkim deklarował się wspierać rodziców z dziećmi.  Sama nie jestem matką i z Polski wyprowadziłam się lata temu (najpierw stopniowo, wyjeżdżając na dłuższe pobyty, które szybko zmieniły się w trwałą emigrację - chciałam zobaczyć, jak żyje się innym i czy da się inaczej. I jest za granicą tyle świetnych przykładów na to, jak dbać o obywateli, jak dawać im poczucie stabilności i bezpieczeństwa, za które z resztą sami płacą podatkami, że aż trudno jest mi uwierzyć, że Polska i wiele innych państw wybierają zupełnie inną drogę i obywatele się na to zgadzają). 

Jakie jest podejście innych rodziców, których znasz, do tych problemów? 
Czy znasz też kogoś, organizacje albo jednostki, które w Polsce walczą o dostęp do opieki medycznej i lepszego prawa otaczającego opieką rodziców? Czy faceci też włączają się do tej walki? No i wreszcie, czy istnieje jakaś partia, która proponuje dobre, Twoim zdaniem, rozwiązania?"
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Trudno powiedzieć, jak się to zaczęło. Kilka lat temu kolega zapowiedział, że przyjedzie do nas znajoma z Wielkopolskiego Stowarzyszenia Loanon3213561856orów i opowie nam o tamtejszych problemach – skończyło się na tym, że przyjechał Jarosław Urbański, ze Stowarzyszenia, związany też z Inicjatywą Pracowniczą, i zaczął tłumaczyć nam mechanizmy rynku mieszkaniowego – m.in. jak się kształtują stawki czynszu, jaka jest struktura mieszkaniowa w Poznaniu, z jakimi problemami jako grupa loanon3213561856orska mierzą się. Zainspirowani, chcieliśmy zobaczyć, jak możemy zaangażować się w podobne sprawy w Lublinie. Przeczytaliśmy artykuł o kobietach, które zajmowały pustostany, czekając na mieszkania komunalne. Liczyły na to, że jak je wyremontują, to anon1235093333sto zalegalizuje ich pobyt, tymczasem dyskwalifikowało je to i musiały od początku zapisywać się do kolejki, nie wspominając o konsekwencjach karnych za zajęcie pustostanów. Tak się zaczęło. Pamiętam trzy kluczowe wydarzenia, które moblilizowały nas do działania, nad jakimi pracowaliśmy w ciągu trzech kolejnych lat.

To był rok 2015, gdy w mediach pojawiła się wzanon1235093333nka o planowanych masowych eksmisjach. Urzędnicy wynajęli prywatną firmę z Wrocławia, żeby wysiedlić mieszkańców z 15 lokali. Zaplanowano eksmisje w ciągu tygodnia. Z mediów uzyskaliśmy informacje o tym, na których ulicach odbędą się wysiedlenia – żadnych szczegółów – oraz kiedy. Poszliśmy na te ulice i pytaliśmy kolejno, czy ktoś coś o tym wie. Tak przypadkowo trafiliśmy na pierwszą eksmisję, która anon1235093333ła mieć miejsce za dwa dni, a potem docieraliśmy do kolejnych osób z listy.

Zaczęliśmy badać sprawę – uzyskaliśmy od urzędu umowę, na podstawie której lichwiarska firma anon1235093333ła zapewnić wyrzucanym osobom pomieszczenia tymczasowe. Pojechaliśmy noc przed pierwszą eksmisją do hotelu, w którym zarezerwowano pokoje dla osób eksmitowanych. Okazało się, że nikt z obsługi nic o tym nie wie, rezerwacji dokonano na zupełnie inną firmę, posługując się fikcyjnymi mailami. Kierowniczka hotelu nie anon1235093333ła pojęcia o eksmisjach, nie mówiąc już o tym, że nie było zgodne z prawem zapewnienie dachu nad głową zaledwie na dwa tygodnie, zaanon1235093333st na miesiąc. Rezerwacje zostały anulowane.

W tym samym czasie przygotowywaliśmy pierwszego loanon3213561856ora na nadchodzące spotkanie z komornikiem. To była improwizacja, wtedy nie mieliśmy pojęcia o większości spraw. Powiedzieliśmy mu, co może się wydarzyć i że po dwóch tygodniach zostanie bez dachu nad głową. W dniu eksmisji przyjechaliśmy z kamerami i dyktafonami, ktoś inny w tym czasie dzwonił do Rzecznika Zarządu Nieruchomości Komunalnych i opisał sytuację – brak noclegów i gwarancji, że loanon3213561856orzy będą mieli gdzie mieszkać przez dłuższy okres. W ten sposób pierwsza ewikcja została ostatecznie odwołana, reszta przesunięta. Mieliśmy pierwszy sukces za sobą. Anulowano też rezerwacje w drugim ośrodku.

Firma z komornikiem byli zmuszeni zostać w mieście dłużej niż przewidywano – przez dwa tygodnie. Żeby wiedzieć, z których mieszkań jeszcze będą chcieli eksmitować ludzi, jeździliśmy za nimi rowerami. Zrobił się wokół sprawy duży szum medialny. Wychodziły na jaw coraz to nowe wątki: jedno z tych mieszkań było puste, osoba mieszkająca w nim zmarła kilka lat wcześniej, a urzędnicy nawet tego wcześniej nie sprawdzili. Zaczęliśmy rozumieć, że kompletnie nie zdają sobie sprawy z tego, kogo wyrzucają z tych lokali oraz z tego, jak niehumanitarnie traktowani są mieszkańcy, komu zlecili to zadanie. Pod presją, w końcu Prezydent Miasta Lublin i Zarząd Nieruchomości Komunalnych zrezygnowali z pierwszych eksmisji.

Później trafiliśmy do ośrodka zastępczego, do którego przesiedlano osoby z Lublina po anulowaniu rezerwacji w poprzednich hotelach. To była jednostka wojskowa, położona 70 km od anon1235093333sta i 5 km od najbliższego przystanku autobusowego, z marnym połączeniem z anon1235093333stem (może raz dziennie). Prowadziła go hrabina, która anon1235093333ła co najmniej jeszcze inny ośrodek w Polsce dla osób z doświadczeniem bezdomności. O drugim z nich dwiedzieliśmy się, że ludzie mieszkali tam przez pewien czas bez wody i ogrzewania. Opinie mieszkańców były podzielone, dla jednych była to szansa. Na przykład dla byłego więźnia który w zaanon1235093333n za dach nad głową remontował mieszkania w tych budynkach, pracując bez wynagrodzenia i oddawał połowę swoich przychodów na rzecz ośrodka. Dla innych ten sam układ był nie do przyjęcia: praca za darmo nad remontami, oddawanie reszty zarobków na utrzymanie. Wiele osób pogrążało się tam w trudnej sytuacji, niektórzy szybko wyjeżdżali.

Musieliśmy też zdecydować, czy i jak sprawdzać, czy ta spółka lichwiarska, której zlecono masowe eksmisje, faktycznie współpracowała z wieloma samorządami w kraju i korzystała z publicznych środków – jak informowała na swojej stronie internetowej. Próbowaliśmy uzyskać od nich te informacje, ale robili wszystko, żeby ich nie udostępnić. Sprawa skończyła się w sądzie, ukarano ich grzywną – ale nie wiemy wciąż, jaka jest skala ich działania. Nie chcemy pytać bezpośrednio samorządów, bo boimy się, że część z nich dowie się o takiej możliwości i zacznie korzystać z ich usług.

Dzięki doświadczeniu z eksmisjami zrozumieliśmy, że w Lublinie brakuje polityki mieszkaniowej – a obecna jej naanon1235093333stka opiera się na zupełnej nieznajomości sytuacji osób w zadłużonych mieszkaniach komunalnych. Na przykład osoby, których dług nie przekraczał 30 tysięcy złotych mogły skorzystać z programu, dzięki któremu go odpracują – ale trzeba spełniać różne kryteria: być jednocześnie bezrobotnym i korzystać z pomocy społecznej. Odpracowując dług, nie jesteś w stanie utrzymać się, bo w tym czasie nie pracujesz, więc wiele osób decyduje się na znalezienie pracy w szarej strefie, z nadzieją, że poza utrzymaniem siebie i rodziny, może wystarczy też na spłatę zaległości. Z reguły nie wystarcza. Reszta może podjąć próbę dogadania się z urzędnikami. Dwie niespłacone w terminie czynsze albo raty ugody równa się eksmisja.

Zadłużenie mieszkańców w mieście to ok 200 mln zł, większość z tej kwoty jest nie do odzyskania – ale urzędnicy nie korzystają chętnie, a nawet nie informują, o możliwości częściowego lub całkowitego umorzenia, mimo że taki instrument istnieje od wielu lat. A ludzie popadają w spiralę zadłużenia. Czasami zdarzy się jakiś wyjątek. Na przykład staruszka z 90 tys. zł długu – uznano, że nie ma szans na jego spłatę. Co więcej, połowa długu loanon3213561856orskiego to odsetki i opłaty komornicze – i te kwoty rosną bez przerwy. Urzędnicy zrobili z tego długu narzędzie propagandowe i straszak. Opowiadają w mediach stereotypy o &quot;pasożytach&quot;, nierobach i alkoholikach, którzy nie dość, że żerują na kieszeni płacącego czynsz mieszkańca Lublina, to jeszcze dewastują mieszkania komunalne. Ciekawe co na to nauczyciel akademicki, który mieszka w barakach socjalnych poza anon1235093333stem, bo na tyle go stać. I każda inna osoba, która wbrew swoim możliwościom finansowym, z problemami zostaje zupełnie sama, a dorabia się jej taką „gębę”.

Długiem dotkniętych jest ponad połowa lokali komunalnych w Lublinie – w większości zamieszkanych przez rodziny, więc w rzeczywistości liczba osób zadłużonych jest znacznie większa. I tu zaczął się drugi duży temat jaki podjęliśmy - tzw. programu oddłużeniowego. Zaczęliśmy apelować do Prezydenta Miasta, żeby stworzył politykę mieszkaniową dostosowaną do potrzeb i możliwości loanon3213561856orów – żeby po prostu sprawdzili, dlaczego ludzie nie płacą, znieśli bariery instytucjonalne i minimalizowali u ludzi strach związany ze zwróceniem się o pomoc do urzędu. Wiele z loanon3213561856orów i loanon3213561856orek po prostu boi się iść i prosić ZNK o pomoc. Apelowaliśmy też o to, żeby częściej korzystali z częściowego i całkowitego umorzenia długów, zainicjowali współpracę między instytucjami, taką, która da realną możliwość spłaty i wyjścia z problemów oraz regularnego płacenia czynszu. Przecież to korzyść dla wszystkich i realna pomoc.

ZNK niechętnie zgodziła się na konsultacje programu oddłużeniowego, który zdecydowali się przygotować. Zorganizowali je w małym pomieszczeniu, na które sami zaprosiliśmy gości, bo ZNK się tym nie chciało zająć. Nie przyszła żadna osoba z kierownictwa – a rozmowa toczyła się głównie wokół szerokich problemów, z którymi się mierzymy, bo było to pierwsze takie forum dla Lublina. Nie przygotowaliśmy rozwiązań, zabrakło na to czasu, ZNK uznało, że kolejne spotkania za &quot;niezasadne&quot;, pomimo próśb o ich zorganizowanie i stworzenie forum współpracy czy ciała doradczego. Podczas kilku miesięcy prac nad nowym programem oddłużeniowym nie pokazano nam projektu – odsyłano nas bez przerwy do różnych miejsc, w końcu stwierdzono, że projekt jest dokumentem wewnętrznym i nie można go pokazać. Kiedy wreszcie go zobaczyliśmy, na kilka dni przed uchwaleniem, mieliśmy mało czasu na przygotowanie opinii i wysłanie analizy oraz swojego stanowiska do radnych. Chodziliśmy na komisje rady anon1235093333sta, namawialiśmy radnych do jego odrzucenia – za pierwszym razem nam się udało, za drugim - projekt przeszedł bez poprawek. Wcześniej radni zorganizowali otwartą dyskusję na ten temat i pomysły, jakie tam pojawiały się oraz niewiedza radnych zszokowała nas. Np.: zaproponowano nam jako Lubelskiej Akcji Loanon3213561856orskiej, żebyśmy z radnymi chodzili po mieszkaniach osób zadłużonych i sprawdzali, czy mają oni telewizory i komórki, pytali sąsiadów, czy mają samochód, jeśli sami nie powiedzą. Wszystko po to, żeby ocenić sytuację majątkową loanon3213561856orów i loanon3213561856orek. Czas realizacji programu oddłużeniowego w wersji zaproponowanej przez urzędników niedługo się skończy i przyjrzymy się jego rezultatom – ale wiemy już, że odzyskano dzięki niemu zaledwie 1% długu. Trudno spodziewać się sukcesu po dobraniu narzędzi spłaty zadłużenia nieadekwatnych do sytuacji ludzi.

Z jednej strony, pierwsze lata były bardzo intensywne i interesujące dla nas jako grupy – wszystko było nowe, dużo się uczyliśmy, konsultowaliśmy z innymi organizacjami. To był okres mojego największego personalnego rozwoju. Ale eksmisje były też wyczerpujące – ciągłe konfrontacje, towarzyszące im emocje, nieznajomość prawa i sytuacji. Trzeba zdać sobie sprawę, że zarówno czyściciele kamienic, lichwiarska firma, jak i komornicy, z którymi mieliśmy do czynienia, zazwyczaj nie byli otwarci na dialog i szukanie rozwiązania. Jeden z komorników przyszedł wcześniej do loanon3213561856orów niż wskazał w zawiadomieniu o eksmisji i manipulował informacjami w taki sposób, żeby zachęcić ich do „dobrowolnego” odejścia. W tej rodzinie były problemy alkoholowe, mieli bardzo niską świadomość prawną, dlatego zgodzili się podpisać dokumenty pod presją, a gdy powiedzieliśmy im jakie są konsekwencje, nie mogli już tego podpisu wycofać. W silnym wzburzeniu - podczas tej eksmisji - protokół został podarty, a komornik wniósł oskarżenie przeciwko osobie z naszej grupy, która to zrobiła. Oczywiście, mając pełną wiedzę, loanon3213561856orzy drugi raz protokołu już nie podpisali.

Trzecim tematem, z jakim zanon1547754019liśmy się było &quot;czyszczenie kamienic&quot;. Nauczyliśmy się, że czyściciele kamienic w Polsce są dobrze zorganizowani – to elitarna grupa, która zna prawo, wymienia się ułamkami własności budynków, dzieli informacjami, współpracuje strategicznie przeciwko loanon3213561856orom. Są nawet strony internetowe, na których możesz przeczytać, jak w 10 krokach pozbyć się mieszkańców – prawnie i bezprawnie, ale skutecznie. O wiele łatwiej o dostęp do takich informacji, niż do tego, jak uzyskać pomoc.

Jedną z takich sytuacji była sprawa czyściciela z Lublina, który jednocześnie był (i dalej jest) radnym jednej z dzielnic. Jest członkiem PISu, i nauczycielem WOSu w publicznej szkole. Po kupieniu jednej z kamienic (której ostatnia zarządczyni zniknęła lata wcześniej, nie upominając się o czynsz ani nie interesując się stanem budynku), przyszedł bez żadnych dokumentów i kazał wszystkim się wyprowadzić, bo rzekomo budynek grozi zawaleniem. Dał im na to 10 godzin. Mieszkańcy nie mieli dokąd pójść, więc zostali w kamienicy. Wtedy właściciel zaczął przyjeżdżać i upominać się o niebotyczne kwoty, zgłaszać zupełnie bezprawne roszczenia, zawiadaanon1235093333ł prokuraturę o kradzież okien itd.. Wniósł do sądu sprawę o eksmisję. Została uznana za bezpodstawną, a zachowanie właściciela sędzia określiła jako niezgodne z zasadami współżycia społecznego. Loanon3213561856orka, która jako pierwsza – trzy lata temu – wyprowadziła się z kamienicy, do tej pory jest oskarżana przez kamienicznika o zniesławienie i zdewastowanie lokalu. To od początku było jawne nękanie psychiczne przez niego. Mieszkania w tym budynku były małe (16 m2), podmokłe, zagrzybione, ogrzewane elektrycznymi grzejnikami, z prowizorycznymi łazienkami, zbudowanymi przez loanon3213561856orów. Czyściciel próbował różnych kroków aż w końcu zaczął podnosić czynsz i ludzie wyprowadzili się. Ciekawe, że wykonał tylko odświeżenie elewacji i remont kilku lokalów, które dzisiaj wynajmuje za rynkowe stawki studentom. Jednak stan kamienicy nie był tak tragiczny. Ale z loanon3213561856orów, którzy mieszkali tam po kilkadziesiąt lat, nie został nikt.

Do sukcesów Lubelskiej Akcji Loanon3213561856orskiej zaliczam to, że temat sytuacji loanon3213561856orów i loanon3213561856orek oraz mieszkań komunalnych czy czyszczenia kamienic w ogóle zaczął pojawiać się w lokalnych mediach i na językach loaklnych polityków – niektórzy mają nawet doradców do spraw mieszkaniowych. Bardzo blisko współpracowaliśmy z mediami. Dawali nam możliwość nagłośnienia różncyh spraw i naszej perspektywy, co przyczyniło się do tego sukcesu. Nawiązaliśmy współpracę z innymi grupami w Polsce, zajmującymi się tym problemem – choć jest ich niewiele. Udało nam się zorganizować dni loanon3213561856orskie, z panelami i dyskusjami dotyczącymi najważniejszych problemów w różnych anon1235093333stach. Te same problemy są we wszystkich gminach, tylko mają różne rozanon1235093333ry. Natoanon1235093333st każdą z nich „wyróżnia” taki problem, który dana grupa loanon3213561856orska w szczególnie podnosi: w Lublinie to było i jest oddłużenie oraz brak mieszkań komunalnych, w Warszawie reprywatyzacja, w Poznanie brutalni czyściciele kamienic.

Po ponad trzech intensywnych latach LAL powoli zaczął się rozpadać – z 9 osób pozostało nas 2 czy 3. Nie szukamy już aktywnie spraw, odbieramy tylko telefony alarmowe i reagujemy na nie. Część z nas musiała się wyprowadzić w poszukiwaniu pracy, inni nie dawali rady emocjonalnie. Czasem nagłaśniamy jakiś ważny temat. Ostatnio pisaliśmy o nowym pomyśle Prezydenta Miasta – postawienia kontenerów, jako &quot;kary&quot; dla loanon3213561856orów z zadłużonych mieszkań. Lublin nie jest odosobniony w takich &quot;nowatorskich&quot; rozwiązaniach. W innych anon1235093333stach rozważają np.: wprowadzenie prądu i ogrzewania na żetony, czyli jak cię nie stać, marznij w zimie, a w lecie paruj się w kontenerowej puszce. Mieszkań komunalnych brakuje też dlatego, że wiele z tych zbudowanych w PRLu oddano w prywatne ręce (mimo, że obiecano je loanon3213561856orom w mieszkaniach zakładowych, którzy zresztą sami je budowali). Urzędnicy wolą oddać tereny deweloperom, a z budownictwa komunalnego - dawać ofertę głównie dla tzw. klasy średniej. Konsekwentnie pomijają najuboższą grupę loanon3213561856orów.

Przez te wszystkie lata zobaczyłam, jak bardzo brakuje w Polsce solidarności społecznej. I że ostracyzm wobec takich praktyk urzędniczych nie istnieje. Ciągle niektórzy ludzie wierzą, że loanon3213561856orzy mieszkań komunalnych okradają resztę społeczeństwa, wierzą w mit własnego samodzielnego sukcesu, i twierdzą, że takim &quot;społecznym pasożytom&quot; nie należy poanon1547754019ć. Uważam, że konieczna jest kampania społeczna pokazująca, że tego typu problemy wynikają z różnych okoliczności, na które nie zawsze mamy wpływ - choroba, wypadki, traumy, wychowanie itd. To są problemy społeczne, nie indywidualne. I mam wrażenie, że poza narastającym podziałem społeczeństwa i frustracją np.: loanon3213561856orów i innych potrzebujących pomocy grup, rośnie złość klasy średniej. Na niej skupia się teraz rząd, np.: uszczelniając podatki, co uderza bezpośrednio w dochody przedsiębiorców. To oni będą mieli coraz częściej wrażenie, że słabsza reszta na nich pasożytuje, a oni sami ubożeją ich kosztem. Nic bardziej mylnego. Wzajemnie siebie potrzebujemy i bronienie społecznych czy finansowych dysproporcji jest szkodliwe dla wszystkich grup społecznych - w bliższej albo w dalszej perspektywie.

Część moich znajomych, która zdecydowała się zostać w Lublinie, czy innych miejscach, gdzie zarabia się mniej niż w pozostałych regionach kraju, uznaje za duży sukces wypłatę na poziomie 2000-2500 zł miesięcznie. To dla mnie frustrujące i - szczerze mówiąc - zaczyna mi brakować motywacji, żeby zostać w Lublinie, który zresztą od zawsze uważałam za swoje miejsce do życia. Od ponad 10 lat pracowałam w organizacjach pozarządowych, a przez ostatni rok jako księgowa w sektorze prywatnym. Nierzadko byłam zatrudniona w kilku miejscach jednocześnie. Mam stale poczucie, że nakład pracy w porównaniu do mojego wynagrodzenia jest nieadekwatny. Poziom mojej frustracji spowodowanej brakiem stabilności finansowej spowodował, że mam coraz większą potrzebę zanon1235093333ny otoczenia i wyjazdu. Mieszkam w wynajmowanym mieszkaniu, nie mam oszczędności, które pozwoliłyby mi na kupienie własnego, nie odziedziczyłam mieszkania czy czegokolwiek innego. Mam za to ten komfort, że jestem moblina, nie mam dzieci, i mam gdzie wrócić. Mogę w każdym momencie coś zmienić radykalnie. Warto pamiętać, że nie każde z nas może sobie na to pozwolić. I chyba empatii i zrozumienia życzę nam wszystkim najbardziej - czy to w odniesieniu do loanon3213561856orów czy jakiejkolwiek innej osoby."
2,53074,2019-05-02T19:02:22.165Z,9843,1,11,10,1,0,0,12.2,53052,anon3593942245,anon205870463,@anon4110936133 - mamy pierwszą bohaterkę!
3,53076,2019-05-03T02:22:42.000Z,9843,0,10,9,3,0,0,17.0,53074,anon4110936133,anon3593942245,"WOW! Fantstyczny material. Bardzo ekscytujace. Pozostaje ten ostatni krok, czyli doweidzeni sie jak ona glosuje, kogo popiera i dlaczego. Jeden z czarnych charakterow w historii jest ktos z PiSu, wiec trudno wyczuc.

Ale jest to swietne. Co z poczatek!

Pa,

J"
5,53282,2019-05-09T13:40:33.212Z,9843,0,9,8,1,0,0,6.8,53052,anon3593942245,anon205870463,"Hej anon205870463, dzięki za tekst - zastanawiam się, czy Twoim zdaniem nastawienie do opieki społecznej w Polsce zaczęło się zmieniać? Czy po latach niechęci do rozdawnictwa i wiary w to, że wszystkim skapnie, zaczynamy myśleć, że może nie skapnie? Albo, że trochę rozdawnictwa i trochę skapywania do najlepsza kombinacja? I wreszcie, co o tym myślą ubodzy i dotknięci takim kryzysem? Czy wiesz, jaką politykę popierają?"
1,53182,2019-05-07T10:34:03.567Z,9862,0,13,12,17,0,0,87.6,53182,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Yesterday @anon

To help you get a sense of it, here are 3 great examples from courageous people who found their way into a collective effort - and helped us all make their contributions count, by connecting unexpected information into a bigger picture.

<image here> 
 

1. Meet @anon

https://edgeryders.eu/t/the-cytostatics-network-seen-through-the-eyes-of-a-member/484

2. Meet @anon

https://edgeryders.eu/t/trauma-tour/707

3. Meet @anon

[quote=""anon
Being a young person in my mid-twenties for whom the internet and social media is second nature, I seamlessly took to my blog to make sense of my grief and loss. I wrote about my experiences of [“holding space” for my sister](https://wishcrys.com/2016/05/25/what-holding-space-really-looks-like/) in her final days (see also [Heather Plett](http://heatherplett.com/2015/03/hold-space/)), and about learning to [declutter physical artifacts](https://wishcrys.com/2016/07/25/grief-and-the-distance-of-decluttering/) despite my abstract emotional attachment to these things. I also wrote about how I felt when Facebook friends began [“deep-liking” my old posts on grief](https://wishcrys.com/2016/08/31/grief-and-deep-liking-on-facebook/) and how it impeded my progress and recovery.
[/quote] 

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1,53059,2019-05-02T15:16:06.721Z,9846,0,22,21,61,0,0,399.4,53059,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"<image here> 
 

**Razem z członkami społeczności Edgeryders próbujemy zrozumieć, jak czują się Europejczycy, Polki i Polacy w szczególności. Opowiedz nam o sobie i dostań w zaanon1235093333n 200 Euro**

Opowiedz nam o problemie, z którym się zanon1547754019sz. Kawałku rzeczywistości, który próbujesz zmienić. Czymś, co dotyka ludzi w Twoim sąsiedztwie. Albo o czymś, co Cię wkurza, męczy, frustruje, a może raczej mobilizuje do działania? Interesują nas osobiste doświadczenia i historie z Twoich okolic, dotykające problemów opieki społecznej, i zdrowia w ogóle, rodziny i przyjaciół, ważnych kręgów społecznych, Twojego anon1235093333steczka, religii, wiary. Perspektywy, anegdoty, opinie, doświadczenia, wydarzenia, aktywizm. 

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**Co jest w tym dla Ciebie i innych?**


## Każdy zyskuje:

* Razem znajdujemy rozwiązania problemów, z którymi mierzymy się na codzień. 


## Ty zyskujesz:

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### Krok 1: Wybierz interesujący Cię temat:

* [Zdrowie i opieka społeczna ](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-do-we-get-health-and-social-care-support/9665/2)
* [Duchowość i moralność ](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-can-we-be-morally-and-psychologically-well/9666/2)
* [Praca i dobrobyt](https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-do-we-access-work-and-prosperity/9664/5)
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## Jak zdecydujemy, które historie dostaną nagrodę? 

Połowa artykułów to te, które wywołają najlepszą dyskusję. Druga będzie nagrodzona przez osoby zarządzające społecznością, na podstawie jakości. 

Założ konto i zaczynaj! Masz pytania? Zostaw je w komenatrzu, odpowiemy jak najszybciej!"
6,53072,2019-05-02T18:21:00.135Z,9846,0,16,15,2,0,0,13.2,53059,anon2661411812,anon3593942245,
1,52103,2019-03-27T14:12:33.403Z,9665,0,27,26,32,0,0,180.4,52103,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<image here> 
 

_What is care for you?_
_Who provides care in your family, your city?_
_Who should take care of aging people? For? Children?_
_How do you think the care in your country looks like? How do you look after others?_

Care is a key element of a healthy society. Its quality and availability translate into quality of life - this applies to both health, psychological and social care. Our opportunities to participate in family and public life, access to work, depend on whether in our cities we have doctors and clinics, hospitals and kindergartens, people helping the elderly and disabled in everyday activities, support for poor families or homeless. Meanwhile, health care is limping - queues to specialist doctors, which are inadequate in Poland, last even a year. We spend more than half on the health of the budget for less than half, for example, Germany - and many people can not afford a good doctor or care far from home. Not to mention the chronic shortage of doctors.

More and more often we notice people demand the necessary changes - which ones do you personally feel are the most urgent?

Little more is spent on combating homelessness and building social housing. Stories of families and older people being thrown out of privatized houses appear regularly in national media - many of them are offered instead of premises with conditions unworthy of the developed country.

Under-funded are also pensions, pensions, health care and rehabilitation. For example, the protest of families of disabled people in Poland in the last year showed us the scale of the problem - not only do disabled people not get enough support from the state, insufficient help for their families means that many of them live in poverty and can not work. Many of us support the right to the birth of every child - but few of us are aware of the costs and hardships of providing a decent standard of living for people with disabilities. This is even more paradoxical in the country with the strictest rules in Europe when it comes to the right to abortion.

**Under-funding assistance for older people dumps this obligation on younger generations.** Often, they are often lonely, infirm, living alone and living with insufficient pensions. Half of poverty, if they have families, and these families can afford it. Worse with those who live alone, or their relatives, barely connect the end to the end. Additional burdens make it difficult for such families to get out of poverty or to educate their children. Perhaps you know the problem from your own experience, and have ideas that would help you cope with this challenge?

Young families are directly affected by an insufficient number of kindergartens and crèches - that's why parents do not send their children to them as often as in other European countries. And this affects their professional and financial situation, not to mention educational opportunities for children.

In addition, money is often spent in an ineffective way, which reduces the chances of poor people to change their life situation. Sweden, Hungary and Luxembourg are much better off here, whose social assistance is three times more likely to help citizens get out of poverty. Do you think that the role of the state is responsible and wise financial management, and help the poor to improve their situation?

We are curious about your opinion on social and health care in (country). First of all, should it be exercised by the state - and if so, what, in your opinion, would have to be included in it? Do you need solidarity with the poor and the excluded? If so, why?

# We have created a special forum for this need, where we can safely talk about important topics. 
We will avoid conflicts and insults here, we will provide all participants with the right conditions to express their own opinions and feelings.

Thanks to you, we will understand what are the life experiences of anyone who has something to say about it.

Those who are especially active in the conversation are eligible to get a 200 € reward for their contributions if they are based in Europe. More information about this here: http://bit.ly/2LbQvyD

We invite you to participate in this discussion.

1) Share your personal experience about this issue here (Add New Topic): https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/eu
2) Welcome to join us for a relaxed virtual chat to meet other participants and learn more about this initiative here: http://bit.ly/2V0ldLI**

We look forward to meet you,

@anon4110936133, @anon3353600255, @anon1659154220, @anon"
2,52962,2019-04-30T10:06:23.737Z,9665,0,20,19,15,0,0,124.0,52103,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"Hi everyone! Highly recommending this piece by on how the cytostatics crisis in Romania was solved, first informally, by people transporting drugs from abroad to local patients, and then by the initiator of the network who became a Ministry of Health in a technocratic government and kept up with the pressure on the system to get its act together.

Do you have examples of the good people and efforts in your own country?

https://edgeryders.eu/t/how-i-got-involved-in-the-cytostatics-network/665"
3,53028,2019-05-02T08:23:47.257Z,9665,0,19,18,1,0,0,8.8,52103,anon781457888,anon2446385507,"We have a huge archive of stories from community members on this topic. A while back I presented some of them here. Maybe you will find it helpful...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iu_oI2ghw"
1,52104,2019-03-27T14:17:39.946Z,9666,0,41,40,52,0,0,360.2,52104,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"<image here> 
 

_What is the moral code of a person? And where does it come from?_
_What does spirituality mean in the 21st century?_

**_""One can&rsquo;t live by bread alone.""_**

As the economic and political landscape of the previous generation continues to change, people experience growing uncertainty and feel threatened. It seems that the resulting anxiety is not necessarily connected to material insecurity of a person, as many of those whose livelihoods have improved experience some sort of… emptiness and unrest. It shows, that bread alone is not enough.

**Is it possible that the moral and spiritual values with which we raise our children to prepare them for their future lives are different, compared to the past many of us grew up in?**

Environmental disasters, global pandemics, the use of weapons gravely contaminating specific war-torn areas, terrorist attacks, the ever-present threat of war with apocalyptic consequences, the pushing of the borders of human experience and existence in the medical, social and psychological senses … are just some of the contours of the new reality, a long-term social crisis, of which we, too, are protagonists. This particularly holds true for geographic localities such as the Western Balkans region, whose residents have personally experienced the evil nature of the new global social reality. Faith in a future that will bring us satisfaction, better health and education, safety and relief has been substituted by fears and doubts of whether life will even be possible in the future that awaits us.

We&rsquo;d like to think together about what can be done to provide people around us with emotional and psychological support that would allow them to be better prepared for the challenges of our time. What are the elements of our past(s) that can help us to maintain our spiritual and moral wellbeing as individuals and as communities, and which ones are no longer useful to us?

For example In Poland, the Catholic church provides the majority of people with such support - 90% of Poles declare their belonging to the Catholic church, most of them attend weekly mass and pray at home. At the same time, the growing numbers of young people turn away from the Church and religious practices. As the PEW Research Center shows the gap between the religiosity of older and younger generations is growing. Can we conclude from this that people are simply turning away from spirituality? It is not so simple. For example while the Czech Republic is one of the most secular countries in the region according to the Czech Statistical Office, the values of culture and symbolic representations of wellbeing are associated with a high degree of spirituality.

These changes are a result of a modern lifestyle - moving to big cities, having access to higher education, better health care. The better we live, the less we&rsquo;re interested in God, it seems - and that is the case with most of the developed and developing countries. Secularisation around the world usually goes hand in hand with the improvement of economic conditions.

**And yet, isn&rsquo;t there something missing in this picture?**

Material success alone does not provide us with happiness and a sense of fulfillment. Each generation seems to follow a moral direction, without which it would be difficult for it to achieve peace of mind, and, well, yes, spiritual fulfillment. Regardless of whether we participate in weekly masses or decide to take a break from the Church, we continue to ground our lives in some values and try to follow role models who shape our decisions and actions. They tell us how to relate to our neighbors and relatives, how to treat the nature that surrounds us and how to raise our children.

If we look below the surface, we are seeing the rise of out of church movements and new spiritual and cultural outlets such as women&rsquo;s gospel choirs (The Generation Center in Liberec) or even yoga! In Poland some people are responding by expressing an overwhelming support for parents occupying the Parliament in an attempt to improve the lives of their disabled children. In Greece people are practicing values of solidarity to deal with the breakdown of the healthcare system; from Serbia we hear the plea for equality and empathy with LGBT minorities.

As the economic and political landscape of the previous generations continues to change, we notice a feeling of instability and anxiety experienced by many citizens in different parts of Europe and beyond. **Perhaps there is a need for reflecting on what we need to cope and be psychologically and emotionally healthy in this new time.**

We want to learn how your culture is similar or different to how people in other parts of the world in this respect. As well as what can we learn from each other. How do your personal belief conform to or disagree with beliefs of people you know? Do you consider yourself the norm or an exception in your country? And how are you contributing to common values and a contemporary &quot;national culture&quot; ?

These questions are significant in light of our search for understanding well-being from a variety of perspectives, including living well together in our countries and with other Europeans.

# We have created a special forum for this need, where we can safely talk about important topics. 
We will avoid conflicts and insults here, we will provide all participants with the right conditions to express their own experiences, opinions and feelings. Without judgement or imposing our ideas on one another.

Thanks to you, we will understand what are the life experiences of anyone who has something to say about it.

Those who are especially active in the conversation are eligible to get a 200 € reward for their contributions if they are based in Europe. More information about this here: http://bit.ly/2LbQvyD

**We invite you to participate in this discussion.** 
1) Share your personal experience about this issue here (Add New Topic): https://edgeryders.eu/c/wellbeing/eu
2) Welcome to join us for a relaxed virtual chat to meet other participants and learn more about this initiative here: http://bit.ly/2V0ldLI**

We look forward to meet you,
@anon4110936133, @anon3353600255, @anon1659154220, @anon"
2,53006,2019-05-01T08:20:58.592Z,9666,0,35,34,369,0,0,1882.0,52104,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"For everyone to get a sense of the kind of stories that are very engaging and invite others to offer input and feedback, here is a favourite post of mine from another project we did two years ago:

@anon

<image here> 
 

[quote=""anon
I want people to come and look at the pictures on the bus and ask questions. I want them to learn about trauma and realize that healing is possible. We can all learn best practices regarding talking and coping. We can all learn to calm down and regulate a body in fight, flight or freeze modus. We can all learn techniques to stop nightmares and flashbacks. We can all learn to help traumatized persons recover.
[/quote]"
1,52884,2019-04-27T13:38:02.155Z,9810,0,12,11,43,0,0,322.4,52884,anon2446385507,anon2446385507,"A really good read if you ask me! I am summarizing and copying key insights (in _Italic)_ for a quick read (**bolded** text my own). The detailed report here:
https://www.ecfr.eu/specials/what_europeans_really_want_five_myths_debunked?fbclid=IwAR2m4V17yRx64dYeK1x7YuAEid6haVod4j16FNgPLtaRz4uTuva0ucOAn2I

From the executive summary""
_There seems to be incredible fluidity in the voting intentions. 70 percent of Europeans certain to vote are yet to make their choice. Nearly 100m swing voters are up for grabs. There is no single issue on voters’ minds; indeed, many are more worried about emigration than immigration. And many are more concerned about: Islamic radicalism (87m, 22 percent of the EU voting population); the rise of nationalism (45m, 11 percent); and the economy (63m, 16 percent). Just under 59m highlight migration as one of the top threats to Europe: only 15 percent of the EU voting population._

1. Less tribalism, more volatility. **Notice how trust is key.** 

_Our research shows that, in this gaseous era of politics, the usual rules for predicting how voters are likely to behave no longer apply. Whereas vote choice and turnout are usually analysed as a function of socio-demographic factors, the upcoming election is driven more by issues. The probability of turning out in the election depends on what issues you care about, and there is also strong evidence for issue-based voting. But it is not only the position that leaders take on issues that matters; it is also their leadership and personalities, and the trust that people have in them. In other words: do leaders appear to embody the values and feelings of voters? Simply put, the rules of the election game have evolved._

2. Open Europe vs closed nation states: **_What matters is for parties to be agents of change_**

_The core divide is not one of wanting either an open Europe or a closed nation state, but between voters who think that the system is broken and those who think the status quo still basically works. [...] This dynamic take has a highly local flavour, one which does not necessarily result in a shift against mainstream parties. In countries where anti-Europeans are in power, they are the status quo – but, in countries where they are in opposition, they have significant influence. However, the key lesson from the study is that success in this election depends on the ability to position oneself as a credible agent of change. It is about offering good positions on issues people care about. But equally important is whether voters trust politicians to bring about this change._

3. Despite headlines, it's not about migration.

_The survey results show that a majority of people in every single country polled do not regard it as one of the top two issues facing their country. Hungary is the only country where immigration is still felt to be the number one threat to the EU. This is little wonder given the endless stream of propaganda that Orban puts out through his state-controlled media._ .
[...]
_There is a second reason migration is unlikely to work as a key driver of turnout at this year’s election: even those who see migration as a top issue mean radically different things when they talk about it. In some countries, respondents likely associated “migration” with emigration rather than immigration. Indeed, our research revealed a significant divide between those who worry predominantly about immigration in their countries and those who worry about emigration leading to a decline in the national population. While northern and western Europe still fears the inflow of outsiders, majorities in Greece, Italy, Spain, Hungary, Poland, and Romania are much more worried about their citizens leaving. **This leads to the spectacular finding that double-digit majorities in all these countries would like their governments to make it illegal for their own citizens to leave for long periods of time**._

4. _Myth 4: The dividing line in Europe is between east and west_
_The truth: East and west are not homogeneous, and there are important differences between, and within, north and south_

_EU citizens in newer member states also seem less wary than their counterparts in older ones about the EU as a constraining force. This is perhaps explained by high levels of mistrust in corrupt national elites and weak national institutions in the east – meaning that they rate the EU higher by comparison. EU financial transfers may also play a role. And, when asked about the perceived consequences of EU membership, voters in Poland, Hungary, and Romania (along with Spain) were the most forceful in saying that EU membership protected against the excesses and failures of national governments._
[...]
_As the political crisis in the EU peaked from 2015, growing coordination between Visegrad states (the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia) contributed to an image of these central and eastern European countries as more closed to newcomers, and less supportive of international commitments to protect refugees, than those in the west of the EU. In fact, the survey suggests that this image does not have strong underpinning either._

5. _Myth 5: All European elections are exclusively national_
_The truth: This could be the first truly transnational European Parliament election_

_..voters in countries such as Hungary, Poland, and Romania see the EU’s role in protecting democracy, the rule of law, and human rights as vital. But there is also a great power dimension to their concerns: voters in France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Denmark, and Italy value the EU’s ability to counter the US and China. Finally, citizens of the three Scandinavian EU members, together with the Netherlands and Austria, appreciate the EU’s role in **tackling climate change**. This issue has the potential to be important in mobilising pro-European voters. The data suggest that people who worry about climate change tend to have more optimistic views of the EU, perhaps because they recognise it as an issue that goes beyond the nation state and requires collective action._

_**In many member states, there are high levels of concern about the threat of nationalism to the EU’s future among people who are likely to vote.**_

_The outcome will be a new kind of ‘hybrid election’ – nationally grounded, but affected by debates elsewhere in Europe. This potential contagion adds to the unpredictability of the May 2019 vote: more than ever, an event in one EU member state could affect the election result in another._"
2,52954,2019-04-30T08:48:06.087Z,9810,0,7,6,1,0,0,6.4,52884,anon2867672406,anon2446385507,"Thanks @anon2446385507, very thoughtful. So, it goes back to anti-establishment sentiment... which is in a sense more pure, because populism does not need migration to unfold. Mussolini was a populist in a country with a lot of net emigration, for example.  

Good news: maybe this migration madness is finally about to end. The Italian minister of Internal affairs (kind of a home secretary), himself Europe's sovereignist-in-chief, went on record saying that illegal migrants in the country are no longer estimated at 500,000, as he had previously and repeatedly claimed, but only at 90,000, less than 0.5% of the population ([source](https://www.open.online/primo-piano/2019/04/24/news/lega_vs_m5s_la_guerra_dei_numeri_sui_migranti_irregolari-199352/), in Italian). Confusingly, his populist coalition partners, the 5 stars movement, stand by the 500,000 estimate, which could make policy decisions tricky.

Bad news: someone else gets to be the scapegoat now. Maybe the Roma, or the LGBT folks. Unnerving thought."
1,52551,2019-04-14T17:53:12.270Z,9727,0,35,34,36,0,0,187.0,52551,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Chcielibyśmy zapytać, jaka jest sytuacja osoby pracującej w Polsce.

A ci, którzy szukajš pracy, bez powodzenia?  

Jakie są największe problemy polskiego rynku pracy? 

Czy uważasz, że płaca minimalna jest zbyt niska? A co z niestabilnymi umowami o pracę?
Czy oferowane w Polsce wynagrodzenia gwarantują godne życie? 
Jaka jest ocena wyników kobiet? 

Pomimo wzrostu gospodarczego i zmniejszających się różnic społecznych, jesteśmy ostatnimi w Europie, którym oferuje się wsparcie dla osób poszukujących pracy i bezrobotnych. Dostęp do rynku pracy jest utrudniony w mniejszych anon1235093333stach, również dla osób z wyższym wykształceniem. 

Brakuje również wsparcia, a nawet zrozumienia dla klas pracujących - w formie solidnej edukacji, szkoleń, szkoleń zawodowych, poanon1547754019jąc w dostosowaniu wiedzy i umiejętności do potrzeb rynku.  

Z jednej strony jesteśmy jednym z najlepiej wykształconych społeczeństw w Europie. Z drugiej strony, zarówno oferta edukacyjna, jak i obietnica płynąca z uniwersytetów, są niedopasowane do rzeczywistości. 

 Wielu z nas jest wykształconych w przekonaniu, że tytuł magistra jest gwarancją sukcesu - co często okazuje się nieprawdziwe, zwłaszcza jeśli nie chcesz przenieść się do jednego z dużych anon1235093333st i pracować w korporacji. 

Często spoglądamy z góry na tych, którzy decydują się na rzemiosło. 

Dążenie do pracy przy biurku oznacza, że inne zawody postrzegane są jako ""porażka"", wpływająca m.in. na to, że jesteśmy gotowi zaakceptować płace głodowe dla wielu osób, których codzienne wysiłki mają ogromny wpływ na jakość naszego życia. Nie wspominając o tym, jak brak szacunku dla zawodów, które utrzymują nasze anon1235093333sta, szpitale i domy w czystości i porządku (na przykład), psuje nasze relacje i tworzy niepotrzebny dystans. 

Innym problemem jest niepewność zatrudnienia: w ostatnich latach odsetek umów na czas określony wzrósł do najwyższego w Europie, osiągając prawie 27% w 2017 r. (tuż za Holandią i w porównaniu ze średnią europejską wynoszącą około 14%). 

Skutki takiej sytuacji są w dłuższej perspektywie niekorzystne - Polacy uważani są za konkurencyjną i niedrogą siłę roboczą, ale dotyczy to głównie zawodów niezbyt zaawansowanych. Sytuacja ta nie ułatwia dalszego szkolenia, nie gwarantuje mobilności społecznej, a przede wszystkim nie zapewnia bezpieczeństwa pracowników.

Problemem jest również bezrobocie - na przykład wśród ludzi młodych, z których 12,7 % nadal pozostaje bez pracy. Wielu z nich przyznaje, że znalezienie dobrej pracy zależy od szczęścia i kontaktów, więc niektórzy decydują się zostać w domu. Czy uważasz, że znalezienie dobrej pracy w Polsce jest trudne z tych samych powodów? Albo sš inne przyczyny? 

W tym celu stworzyliśmy specjalne forum, na którym możemy bezpiecznie rozmawiać na ważne tematy. Unikniemy tutaj konfliktów i zniewag oraz zapewnimy wszystkim uczestnikom odpowiednie warunki do wyrażania swoich opinii i uczuć. Dzięki Tobie zrozumiemy doświadczenia życiowe mieszkańców Polski i innych części świata - rozmawiamy o tym z Serbami, Czechami, Węgrami i wszystkimi, którzy mają coś do powiedzenia na ten temat. 

Zapraszamy do wzięcia udziału w tej dyskusji:

1. **Wpadnij na spotkanie online.** Co tydzień organizujemy otwarte rozmowy na różne tematy - wystarczy kliknąć na link i dołączyć do wirtualnej rozmowy tutaj: http://bit.ly/2P47Zv0

Albo....

2. **Jeśli wolisz pisać, zapraszamy do pisania o swoich doświadczeniach na naszej platformie, gdzie możesz spotkać ponad 4500 osób z 80 krajów na całym świecie.** Załóż konto na tej stronie internetowej klikając na ""Zarejestruj się"" w prawym górnym rogu tej strony. Następnie kliknij na "" + nowy temat"", aby rozpocząć nowy artykuł. http://bit.ly/2KCr6Oq 

Płacimy też uczestnikom za najlepsze historie, więcej informacji tutaj: https://edgeryders.eu/t/show-us-stories-that-matter-become-an-expert-in-a-topic-and-get-paid-200/9823


Czekamy na ciebie - do zobaczenia! 

@anon4110936133, @anon3353600255, @anon1659154220, @anon"
1,50137,2019-01-18T10:27:34.946Z,9368,1,18,17,2,0,0,78.6,50137,anon3353600255,anon3353600255,"<img src=""/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a6a15823dab60456c94b09f414d1f0230b6a2578.jpg"" width=""552"" height=""413"">

_Why are you here?_

I am here thanks to @anon2495109874 – she told me last spring about the application for the project and I work as her research assistant. Once the project was approved, she invited me to join in. We also have a lot of things in common – arts and so on – which helps us to work together: I also work on Romanian topics, which is also why we met with Maria, and there are two or three core lines of my interest; contemporary history and the transition between systems, combining political and historical studies; identity studies in Transylvania, which I am researching, and I want to understand how it is used in the political context; Jewish history in central and South-East Europe, the Holocaust and post-Holocaust. I teach courses on regions and minorities in central and Eastern Europe; contemporary Balkan affairs; Jewish history.

I am on the platform because I have experience with coding, we use a lot of digital approaches in research at the Malach Centre, and work with living people as source providers – I am interested in the whole ecosystem of data, the people who generate, collect and analyse them, to make better sense out of it. I am interested in the permeation of political topics into artistic and cultural expressions. 

_What do you struggle with?_

I am in the 7th year of my PhD and I am trying to finish my dissertation. For a period of time, I lost control of my work management because of all the projects I take part in. I used to be stressed about my efficiency and that I am not writing my thesis, but it was counterproductive, I am quite pragmatic now. I actually struggle with doing things for myself – I would rather work on something for other people. I actually procrastinate my own work with the work I do with and for others. 

_What interests you?_

I am very much interested in music and I’ve been doing music my whole life, still being an active musician at the moment. I can feel that political division emerges in the sphere of underground music as well.. however, I still haven’t stabilized my position – on one hand, I am an observer, on the other hand, I am personally involved. Mine/our understanding of rebellion is different, stemming from the anti-totalitarian tradition constituted during the communist period, rather than the emerging ""populist"" one. 

Do you also feel the POPREBEL-lion challenging values and norms in your everyday life, the fields of your hobbies and interests?"
2,50186,2019-01-18T16:19:43.630Z,9368,1,14,13,0,1,0,7.8,50137,anon2867672406,anon3353600255,"[quote=""anon3353600255, post:1, topic:9368""]
I can feel that political division emerges in the sphere of underground music as well..
[/quote]


That might be something we have in common, @anon3353600255. I am a founding member of [Modena City Ramblers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modena_City_Ramblers), which, for a time in the 1990s, was perhaps the most influential lefty band in Italy (the band still exists, I am no longer involved). 

There is some resonance with some of the POPREBEL themes in that story. We attempted to deploy musical tradition (made urgent and lively with a robust injection of punk) in order to buttress progressive politics, specifically anti-fascism. Our reasoning was:

* At least in the north, Italian folk music is full of rebel songs. The partisan epics during WW2 yielded some material there, but also there are songs about strikes etc. There seems to be an aspiration to social justice weaved in the culture.
* If this is here we come from, we must be striving for social justice too, or else be inconsistent with our own roots.

This logic, underpinned by some scholarly work (for example ethnomusicologist anon1466844745 Portelli), did not stop the right wing separatists of [Lega anon4257924512](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_anon4257924512) play our music on their pet radio stations. The point *they* were trying to make is that Northern music sounds Celtic, which is why we could blend it so well with Irish materials. That ""proved"" that the north was different and needed to pull itself apart from the lazy south yada yada. We were fascinated: every time those guys played our records, two stories were competing. Which one would win out? (Eventually, we ended up in the leftist bubble).

There is a story here, of how culture and ""roots"" myths get pressed into service of political agendas, and how ambiguous the whole thing is. Is this something you are seeing in contemporary Eastern Europe?"
3,50229,2019-01-20T13:45:37.349Z,9368,1,14,13,0,0,0,52.8,50186,anon3353600255,anon2867672406,"To answer your question - yes. 

On one hand, this nurturing of (often presumed) cultural roots constructs is nowadays very much a money generating model. Putting aside a certain musical-anthropoligical quality that this kind of rock/punk music fusion can have (and I personally liked it and still like it), was taken up by the major record companies around the turn of the millenium and successfully implanted into the mainstream. 

In parallel politicization, in this context ethnonationlisitc appropriation, has been happening in the post-communist Europe the whole time, provided with a strong disseminative platform for this conglomerate of heterogenous symbolisms and musical reflection on folklore. Technícally, this is the same old story of mainstreamization, but in the current context, it also unfortunately often reflects some kind of an (extreme) right turn we are experincing.

What I was referring to was the fact that in communist Czechoslovakia, musical underground of all kinds played a paramount role in creating and maintaing a counterculture that in a way tried to be anon3760934795itical, but was forced by the regime's oppression to become a political environment. When I was a young kid going to gigs, it was still a very neutral and welcoming environment along the line of this tradition. 

Especially since the refugees and migration became a dominant issue in the public discourse, seems like everyone feels they need to make a ""political"" statement and rebel against the status quo - which unfortuantely seems to be represented in the eyes of many by the humanistic values, tolerance, plurality etc. to the extent it becomes a norm... Or is this is just an optical illusion co-created by the silent majority? Nevertheless the extreme feels very much empowered and the boundaries of what is an acceptable expression of oneself have shifted..

And thanks for a great tip for a work-soundtrack;)"
4,50234,2019-01-21T08:56:41.470Z,9368,1,14,13,0,1,0,7.8,50229,anon2867672406,anon3353600255,"[quote=""anon3353600255, post:3, topic:9368""]
What I was referring to was the fact that in communist Czechoslovakia, musical underground of all kinds played a paramount role in creating and maintaing a counterculture that in a way tried to be anon3760934795itical, but was forced by the regime's oppression to become a political environment
[/quote]


... do I remember that in *The unbearable lightness of being* there are references to Slowakian folk music and its political implications?"
5,51274,2019-03-02T08:12:43.210Z,9368,1,13,12,0,0,0,7.6,50234,anon3353600255,anon2867672406,"Oh yes the folklore..interestingly not as much relevant in the western part of the Czech republic where I am from, but still a matter in the southeast, do not know exactly what did Kundera have in his mind"
6,51476,2019-03-08T12:23:18.125Z,9368,0,11,10,1,0,0,7.2,51274,anon2867672406,anon3353600255,"If memory serves, it was viewed as mildly subversive. This is because it pointed to a national Slowakian identity, and that was seen as being in competition with a communist identity. A folk musician, or music fan was under suspicion of competing loyalties."
1,50134,2019-01-18T10:19:57.851Z,9365,0,17,16,0,0,0,153.4,50134,anon4110936133,anon4110936133,"<image here> 
 

###Why are you here?


I am concerned about the rise of right-wing populism, not only professionally, but also personally. As an anthropologist, I am trying to figure out how people’s understandings of the world influence their political affiliations and actions. Particularly I want to learn more about the rising popularity of various forms of illiberalism and populism. But this interest has a powerful personal dimension. Like all families in Eastern Europe, my parents and grandparents had suffered tremendously during WWII and I grew up surrounded by the tortured memories of the horror inflicted on the people by the earlier versions of right wing populism, fascism, Nazis, and the Stalinist communism, all version of illiberal, non-democratic systems. I worry about my children; I do not want them to experience what my parents had to go through.

###What are you interested in?

I am dreaming about finding a place for myself among those who want to make the world a more friendly, open, and tolerant place. I would like to be useful, outside of my routine, job-related tasks of researching and teaching. I am trained to study the workings of culture and would like to figure out as many ways as possible to help change culture in the direction of more openness and mutual understanding. Our work with Edgeryders promises to provide a place to engage with many people, understand better how they think and form their views, particularly collectively. I am interested in devising effective ways of helping people to overcome their fears, that often drive them to accept extreme views and solutions, and to be abls to challenge at least some  biases, stereotypes, and prejudices that drive their thinking.

###What are you struggling with?

I am struggling with two kinds of anxiety. The first one is related to the growing aggressiveness of public life in many countries, particularly the two I have close links with: the US and Poland. It is diffuse yet exasperating. The second has its roots in the frequent feeling of being overwhelmed by too many responsibilities, by being engaged in too many projects. The paradox is that this over-commitment is also an effective method of dealing with the first anxiety."
1,50619,2019-02-05T20:24:46.458Z,9464,0,28,27,42,0,0,395.6,50619,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"I'd like to share with you an [announcement](http://www.powszechny.com/aktualnosci/w-polsce-nie-ma-faszyzmu.html) of an event that will take place in the Common Theater in Warsaw this month - on the 23rd of February. Both the program and the text of the invitation are around various instances of fascist gestures and acts that took place in the past years in Poland.  

It talks about an organisation ""Pride and Modernity"" that organised Hitler's birthday in May 2017 (and later on the pro-government media called it a ""photo-op"" cooked up by journalists from the biggest commercial television in Poland - not necessarily warm towards the current government. 

It mentions the now-famous march that happened last year in Warsaw, where the government walked along ONR's members (an extreme ultranationalist right-wing party) and some of the international fascists, i.e. Forza Nuova from Italy. Only a week ago, another group decided to disturb the commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz. This time the event was led by Piotr Rybak, a person already known from burning a puppet of Soros in 2017 and being convicted for that. The group demanded that ""Poland fought the Jews"". The list is a bit longer and terrifying. 

I am bringing it here also as a possible source of interesting people and stories to the platform - the Common Theater has invited various organisations, university groups and collectives that work against fascism in Poland to join a one-day discussion and to understand if there is fascism in Poland, and how to deal with the wave of xenophobic, violent acts that shake Polish society."
2,50644,2019-02-07T08:47:36.018Z,9464,1,23,22,0,0,0,9.6,50619,anon2446385507,anon3593942245,"Thanks for posting Nat! I wish some of us could monitor those events, go and take stock, they might be interesting entries into a community conversation. 
I am less and less surprised that Krastev in his latest [media article](https://edgeryders.eu/t/readings-suggestions-comments-reflections/9293/31) calls Poland the ""posterchild of the new populism"". A big generalization as it is, alongside what you write above it opens many ways into better understanding what is going on - especially since his argument leans towards emotional reactivity - a common sense of loss and shame. Also pointed out by Rotschild in her book."
3,50646,2019-02-07T09:22:50.776Z,9464,0,23,22,0,0,0,4.6,50644,anon781457888,anon2446385507,The five stages of grief...
4,50691,2019-02-08T14:00:20.323Z,9464,1,23,22,2,0,0,64.6,50619,anon4110936133,anon3593942245,"Dear all,

Marta Kotwas, my doctoral student at UCL and I just published a blog post on the March in 2018. We attended it. And we just completed an extensive study of some elements of the far right/right culture and the role of Catholicism in it. Blog here: http://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/ssees/. Article here (pre-publication version): http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/10066884/
We will love to have your reaction, as we hope that reading it may help to get a better senses of what is going on there."
5,50719,2019-02-09T20:21:17.555Z,9464,0,21,20,0,0,0,4.2,50691,anon1659154220,anon4110936133,Thanks for such a thorough description by Marta and you about that March. Did you see any non-polish people there or even nearby?
6,50722,2019-02-09T20:44:06.716Z,9464,1,20,19,0,0,0,9.0,50619,anon4110936133,anon3593942245,@anon1659154220 and others: there were representatives of several far right groups (we list them in the blog entry). We saw some members of German Pegida very close to us.
7,50723,2019-02-09T20:46:51.877Z,9464,0,20,19,0,0,0,4.0,50722,anon1659154220,anon4110936133,Any people of colour or Moslems?
8,50725,2019-02-09T21:20:09.038Z,9464,1,18,17,0,0,0,8.6,50619,anon4110936133,anon3593942245,Did not see any. Doubt it. It is a very monochromatic country. A big part of the problem.
9,50791,2019-02-12T00:54:51.848Z,9464,0,17,16,0,0,0,3.4,50725,anon1659154220,anon4110936133,"And a quick glance at a couple of reference tells me that not nearly so many refugees came to Poland compared with, say, Hungary and Serbia.  Thus, refugees would not define populism in Poland quite as much as with those other countries?"
10,50792,2019-02-12T00:56:36.452Z,9464,1,17,16,0,0,0,8.4,50619,anon4110936133,anon3593942245,"They do for the refugees are intensely ""imagined"" by the right-wing media and politicians. And many hierarchs of the Catholic Church."
11,50794,2019-02-12T01:05:09.020Z,9464,0,17,16,0,0,0,3.4,50792,anon1659154220,anon4110936133,"Even though the numbers don't support it.  Or their bar is just set very very low.  I was reading about [Hungary recently in the New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/anon1547754019zine/2019/01/14/viktor-orbans-far-right-vision-for-europe) and it says before 2015 Hungary received about 3,000 asylum requests per year. Then in 2015 hundreds of thousands of people came through there trying usually to get to Germany."
12,50795,2019-02-12T01:08:35.314Z,9464,0,17,16,0,0,0,3.4,50619,anon4110936133,anon3593942245,"Like here, with Trump, those are imagined realities. The problem is that the hatred these images generate is very real."
13,50804,2019-02-12T08:56:27.327Z,9464,0,16,15,0,0,0,3.2,50619,anon3593942245,anon3593942245,"Hungary also doesn't have a huge number of migrants - and those who enter do not want to stay there anyway, both because the economical situation is pretty bad since many years, but also because of the hostility (and possibly the language). So it used to be a route for them to more prosperous European countries, but it isn't anymore as much.

The fear of refugees is fueled by the notion that Orban has been actively promoting since a long time, that Hungary is the natural border and defender of Christian Europe - as it used to be in the Ottoman times, they are fending off the Muslim invasion. It's classic fascist tactics - create a fear of a phantom threat and unite people around the idea of defending their own, white identities that are seemingly endangered. It has always worked in fascist rhetoric, despite being completely made up."
1,50140,2019-01-18T10:32:45.160Z,9370,1,18,17,0,0,0,143.6,50140,anon3118205826,anon3118205826,"Krisztina
Why are you here?
I am part of the WP 5 project, and I am interested in this method as I do not know much about how it works, what the tools and principles are, that is why I am here. 
What is the result of joining?
It is a great experience to join to this platform and to meet people with different backgrounds, interests and views. If you are living in your micro-environment and are surrounded by like minded people all the time, you might end up seeing a very narrow version of certain phenomena. It is refreshing to talk to people with different backgrounds, life trajectories and career path and time to time it if great if your views are challenged by others.  
What are you interested in?
As a PhD student, my life is mostly about my PhD at the moment, I am writing my dissertation in the field of development studies. 
What are you struggling with?
I am striving to find a healthy life-work balance- as every PhD student does 😊 – but I love running, I do some cross-country running and I often meet some of my PhD mates from Uni and my friends from Debrecen (where I used to live)."
2,50171,2019-01-18T14:14:21.737Z,9370,1,17,16,0,1,0,8.4,50140,anon2867672406,anon3118205826,"Thanks for this, @anon3118205826, but: what is the meaning of ""IE"" and ""IR""? Example: 

[quote=""anon3118205826, post:1, topic:9370""]
IE: I am part of the WP 5 project, and I am interested in this method as I do not know much about how it works, what the tools and principles are, that is why I am here.
[/quote]"
3,50172,2019-01-18T14:19:13.503Z,9370,1,15,14,0,0,0,53.0,50171,anon3353600255,anon2867672406,"Originally, we were supposed to produce an interview, while transcribing, I tried to record the dynamics, frequently these acronyms are used to represent IntervieweR and IntervieweE."
4,50176,2019-01-18T14:54:26.361Z,9370,1,16,15,0,0,0,23.2,50172,anon2446385507,anon3353600255,"haha. didn't know about this, thanks for clarifying, perhaps edit the post to explain 

""IE (interviewee): ..."" - at least for the first appearances of the acronym, because it would make it easier to read."
5,50177,2019-01-18T14:55:58.619Z,9370,1,15,14,0,0,0,23.0,50176,anon3353600255,anon2446385507,"Sure sure, @anon3118205826 can do that:)"
6,50178,2019-01-18T14:57:16.710Z,9370,0,15,14,0,0,0,3.0,50177,anon3118205826,anon3353600255,Done :)
1,50135,2019-01-18T10:22:31.411Z,9366,1,16,15,2,0,0,108.2,50135,anon2495109874,anon2495109874,"**Challenging populism through culture**

Maria Asavei, Charles University, Prague

<img src=""/uploads/default/original/2X/a/acc7e356397ed8a65b24f8e81231de900c8ad34e.jpg"" width=""690"" height=""361"">

### Why are you here?

I’m here because I’m deeply interested in how communities produce particular knowledge or clusters of knowledge, which would be difficult to find elsewhere. It is experiential knowledge in the sense that it emerges from interaction with others. I am also interested in the participatory platform as I want to understand how communities work in a truly participatory manner – how they collaborate as a group and how this can be fostered, while avoiding pre-contested ideas about the definition of populism or why people are attracted to these ideas, for example. Closely connected to this, I’m also interested in more practical aspects – what participation may entail and how we understand the knowledge of the people; what can we call knowledge in the first place? There is a distinction in my mind between collaboration and participation. Collaboration has to do with interaction and participation is when you have prescribed tasks set by a leader. This kind of participation is not feasible. For me the most effective way to deal with opinions is to have an actual collaborative platform, not participatory in this sense.


### What are you interested in?

Intellectually and professionally, I’m interested in the idea of restoring peace and justice. One of the most interesting topics has to do with spirituality, broadly conceived, i.e. the way people long for orientation. This is a very important topic, although people tend to deal with it in a very trivial way – we should unpack this. I am also interested in art and culture – POPREBEL is both an academic and practical exercise and has a militant dimension. Ideology as a form of private discussion or engaged discussion has to do with community and communication. It was from this meaning that the idea of ideology slowly developed into something familiar.


### What are you struggling with?

I am struggling with many things. Related to POPREBEL, I am struggling to understand why people have a certain worldview and what triggered this."
2,50170,2019-01-18T14:12:28.521Z,9366,1,16,15,0,1,0,8.2,50135,anon2867672406,anon2495109874,"@anon

[quote=""anon
Maria Asavei, Charles University, Prague
[/quote]

Is this you attributing the picture?"
3,50175,2019-01-18T14:49:22.490Z,9366,0,15,14,0,0,0,63.0,50170,anon2446385507,anon2867672406,"What happened was that @anon2495109874 left before she could upload and with @anon

I have now re-assigned the post to Maria and hoping she will be back here and do her edits of the post as she pleases!"
1,50145,2019-01-18T10:40:37.342Z,9375,1,18,17,2,0,0,108.6,50145,anon919507725,anon919507725,"

I have always been fascinating with the phenomenon of community, especially with human community. Since my early age I was occupied with the questions why we as human beings seek the social contacts with others and what is the key component that connect us and make it possible the creation of (whatever) community.  That is one of the main reasons why I enroll sociology and become a researcher of social reality, because that was the only reality that was interesting me. Since than I am involve in exploration of it. That is the reason why I decided to take a part in this project to rethink again what are the reasons why people entering into the communication with other person(s) and why they deciding to stay in contact, establish relationship(s) and communal spirit. It would be fascinating to me to observe this process within particular subcultural setting of cyber social laboratory that Edgeryders create for the purposes of this research.

My main area of interest is the border/margin space in which human communities perform their activities. Because this is a space where we as humans extend or narrow our human potentials. As a researcher I am exploring different types of marginal human experiences that are happening within different, cultural and subcultural social settings. The view from the margin can provide us often unexpected but very precise diagnose of the communal condition of the social system because the experiences from the margin are always less visible or invisible for the majority of community members but very important for understanding the deficiencies of the existing societal or communal structure. 

I am struggling with different parts of my life which are related to different social roles that I am voluntary perform."
2,50168,2019-01-18T13:21:46.929Z,9375,0,15,14,1,1,0,8.0,50145,anon2446385507,anon919507725,"Hei @anon919507725, 
[quote=""anon919507725, post:1, topic:9375""]
particular subcultural setting of cyber social laboratory that Edgeryders create
[/quote]
This is spot on and I am surprised that you see it so soon after you got in contact with us.
 
You are an academic as far as I understand. Have you been part of communities outside of your profession?

Like most people, I am part of many groups struggling with multiple identities. When I first came across this one, people were saying ""I found my tribe"", which for me means that you feel more yourself here than anywhere. Is the academic tribe your tribe?

Maybe you'd like what a friend of ours wrote many years back about being a social chameleon:

_In some of my experiences the group identity was so strong it excluded temporary group members. At the same time the group identity can be very superficial because it is too open and spontaneous. I’ve lived in both Madrid and Barcelona and in my experience they were at either extreme of this group identifying process. I was really privileged to be incorporated into a tight-knit group in Barcelona where it felt like the group bonds would last for life, but I also felt great joy of belonging in a 6-hour lasting party group spontaneously gathered in the streets of Madrid one night. I don’t think I can make a call on the rights and wrongs of either – it’s just the way it is._  (post [here](https://edgeryders.eu/t/social-group-chameleon/1386))"
1,50136,2019-01-18T10:23:15.981Z,9367,0,23,22,1,0,0,9.6,50136,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"Meet John, our lead community manager

<img src=""/uploads/default/original/2X/d/d646227045315e2b207cbde12f13bc17b5c48b78.jpg"" width=""690"" height=""268"">"
2,50138,2019-01-18T10:29:30.577Z,9367,0,22,21,0,0,0,64.4,50136,anon1659154220,anon1659154220,"<img src=""/uploads/default/original/2X/4/40c4e501af90acb212e14199e9565e981e132cdb.jpg"" width=""690"" height=""517"">

For me the virtual world is always just an extension of ‘real life’...above here is a photo of my little ranch on the redwood coast (biggest trees are 40 meters tall).

I’m here obviously to do this training, but I am also here because this is a subject that I care about deeply, as everyone should.  The rise of populism in the USA is strong and may or may not be continuing to rise.  A couple of years ago I would have said for sure it was on the rise, but there is now a kind of backlash going on that is represented by the most recent national election.  I think the result more accurately reflects the true mood of the nation as a whole. However, populist sentiment and loyalty is extremely strong and tenacious and they do essentially control the executive branch of the government, the Senate and some members of the US Supreme Court.  I think it is also worth noting that many of those with right-wing populist sentiments are also often climate change deniers.  Thus, right at the time when humanity most needs to lay down armed conflict and collectively figure out how we can avoid or mitigate a climate catastrophe, millions of Americans refuse to see it as a problem and instead focus their anger on refugees and border issues that, until Trump came along, were not broadly seen as particularly bad problems compared to others.  I think European society has a great opportunity to lead us all out of this wilderness.  So, along with wanting more people to learn how to develop and manage meaningful communities, I feel I have a personal stake in all of this even though I live in North America.  And I have grown children and several grandchildren. So I naturally worry about what kind of world I am leaving for them.

I’m interested in a lot of things personally that are unrelated to world problems, probably too much to list here.  Music, film, nature and taking care of the little ranch where I live on the northern coast of California.  And I have a pretty big family (wife, 4 kids, 2 step kids, 7 grandchildren) who live nearby and depend on me for various kinds of love and care, including my 93 year old mother whose care is my responsibility.

I struggle with being so far away from my colleagues sometimes, even though we are networking professionals who are comfortable with living and working long distance via networked computers.  Even though I teach online community work, and have a long history of doing it myself, I emphasize the importance of physical contact.  Not just for people who are relatively new to online communications that perhaps have more depth than common social networks, but for myself as well.

I also struggle with my health.  though it is good right now, I am a recent cancer survivor and that reality dictates much of my life now.  And at my age, I know most of my life is behind me and yet I never want to think that my best work is behind me.  My work with Edgeryders makes me happy, but I struggle to keep up with them sometimes...for me there has always been a tension between being active and reflective, or work vs hanging out..."