00:12:54 Paula Martinez: hello 00:13:04 Matthias Liffers (he/his): o/ 00:13:06 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: Hi Paula! 00:13:17 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: Good morning everybody! 00:13:20 Fotis Psomopoulos: Hey all! Good morning (or good afternoon.. :) ) 00:13:30 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: :) 00:20:20 Michelle Barker: Collaborative notes: https://tinyurl.com/y6b24eyz 00:28:02 Matthias Liffers (he/his): Doggo. 😂 00:28:38 Fotis Psomopoulos: Possibly also interested in participating :) 00:29:46 Fotis Psomopoulos: https://www.menti.com/ 00:29:50 Fotis Psomopoulos: 15 51 51 6 00:36:18 Stephan Janosch: This quiz get’s the brain started at 8ma here. 👍 00:37:09 Matthias Liffers (he/his): I'm glad I'm getting these right, especially since I've trained 300 people in the FAIR principles! 00:37:19 Paula Martinez: or wake up, after a full on day.. 00:48:23 Stephan Janosch: can you zoom out to see all answers? 00:49:01 Stephan Janosch: that’s fine as well. Thx 00:57:37 Matthias Liffers (he/his): I wish I could type in more answers! 00:58:22 Carlos Martinez-Ortiz: You can type them here :-) 01:00:17 Matthias Liffers (he/his): No, it can't. But FAIR can help third parties assess the quality of software. 01:03:38 Stephan Janosch: If you could automate quality assessment, then yes 01:04:20 Morane Gruenpeter: Also quality is about peer review, which isn't included in FAIR for any research object 01:07:15 Malin Sandström: Although some code review efforts exist for research software e.g. codecheck UK 01:08:06 Morane Gruenpeter: They do, also with evaluation artifact committees and artifact badges, but shouldn't be part of FAIR (in my opinion) 01:11:01 Fotis Psomopoulos: http://fair-software.eu/ 01:11:13 Fotis Psomopoulos: https://fair-software.eu/recommendations/checklist 01:11:55 Malin Sandström: I would consider code review for software to be on the same or at least similar level as peer review for articles 01:12:28 Markus Konkol, Utwente, ITC: Level in which sense? 01:12:53 Morane Gruenpeter: I agree, but this is part of a formal publication and not for any article or any software 01:13:39 Malin Sandström: Conceptual level: eg, we should require all research software to be code reviewed to be accepted just as papers need review to be fully accepted. 01:14:05 Malin Sandström: I realise this would be a gigantic effort and maybe not practically possible 01:14:38 Markus Konkol, Utwente, ITC: That was my thought, I think the expertise is missing 01:15:15 Markus Konkol, Utwente, ITC: In terms of number of people who have the knowledge 01:15:27 Matthias Liffers (he/his): In 13 minutes' time? 01:15:37 Malin Sandström: Oh yes, there would be training efforts needed 01:15:43 Paula Martinez: yes please be back at 10 plus the hour 01:15:59 Fotis Psomopoulos: Back at 09:10 CET 01:16:10 Cunliang Geng: JOSS journal is actually doing the code review work for publishing a software paper https://joss.theoj.org/. 01:21:17 Malin Sandström: Codecheck.org.uk awards certificates of executable computation for published software 01:21:24 Carlos Martinez-Ortiz: In case anyone missed them, we have a collaborative notes document here: https://tinyurl.com/y6b24eyz 01:29:29 Stephan Janosch: found the solution for my question before the break. Solution is in shared notes 01:30:53 Fotis Psomopoulos: Nice! Thanks! :) 01:31:30 Michelle Barker: Link to join FAIR4RS WG https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/fair-4-research-software-fair4rs-wg 01:33:33 Morane Gruenpeter: https://tinyurl.com/y6b24eyz 01:46:14 Malin Sandström: There was a highly relevant Research Software webinar by SORSe on October 28 & 30, has anyone here attended it? 01:48:18 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: Yes, there is an overlap in participants and organizers. :) 01:48:54 Carlos Martinez-Ortiz: https://sorse.github.io/programme/workshops/event-017/ 01:49:28 Stephan Janosch: Publishing of that Recording of that webinar is not done yet. Not sure, when I manage to do that. Some more effort for this is needed. ;-) 01:49:56 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: :) 01:50:38 Malin Sandström: There are three outcome docs from that WS that might be relevant reading, focusing on People, Infrastructure, and Policy 01:50:49 Malin Sandström: They are open for input 01:50:59 Paula Martinez: Here is the survey of subgroup 4 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfzEpN9hD2VyCppVmYNvMxAjYG_J810yA4tDLjqezh8MAIY3Q/viewform 01:51:15 Morane Gruenpeter: @Malin Can you add a link? 01:52:52 Malin Sandström: People: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UtVWin1ssr0fyGc3PK3ZKgSYMselHxOZL3pxCA0VgDg/edit?usp=sharing 01:52:52 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: This document contains all the three links that Malin mentioned: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fACmxmxEJYjPWWdHIABV3FhIBg9UjMl-1AFKfRo3F4s/edit?usp=sharing 01:53:04 Morane Gruenpeter: thanks! 01:53:31 Malin Sandström: Infrastructure: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jOpI4v0-fEKCSnZ1cZPkfh7NRmVBYpQA8FXLH0lnMcE/edit?usp=sharing 01:53:47 Malin Sandström: Policy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MB39qLke5UPLGVclHKJJ3NSPbL4XX5xoaPG2dCOluaE/edit?usp=sharing 02:00:01 Paula Martinez: @stephan, the codeMeta project is something that relates to your question and might be of interest https://codemeta.github.io/codemeta-generator/ from Software Heritage 02:05:34 Fotis Psomopoulos: Back at 10:00 CET :) 02:05:46 Markus Konkol, Utwente, ITC: :) 02:06:07 Onder Babur (TU Eindhoven, NL): I won't be able to make it to the next session due to another meeting. Thanks a lot for the organization/ It was my first time attending. very informative and interesting! 02:06:33 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: Thank you for joining us! 02:07:33 Paula Martinez: thanks @Onder you can follow updtes from the group by joining https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/fair-4-research-software-fair4rs-wg 02:09:02 Onder Babur (TU Eindhoven, NL): Sure, doing right now! Thanks for the pointer. 02:09:25 Malin Sandström: +1 on FORCE11 for inspiration 02:19:14 Malin Sandström: Number 3 please 02:19:54 Markus Konkol, Utwente, ITC: I find them all interesting 02:19:58 Axel Loewe: all interesting 02:20:17 Stephan Janosch: # 1 , but all are nice 02:20:23 Cunliang Geng: All too 02:21:46 Society of RSEng: From a technical point of view, keeping it in the main room will mean that all discussions are recorded 02:22:39 Stephan Janosch: I can cut the recording of this part off, if needed 02:23:09 Malin Sandström: Relevant to #3: Sloan has just funded Simon Kerridge and Liz Allen to shepherd and extend the CRedIT roles taxonomy 02:23:31 Malin Sandström: https://credit.niso.org 02:23:49 Paula Martinez: thank you Malin 02:24:00 Malin Sandström: Earlier grantees of relevance: 02:24:33 Malin Sandström: * rOpenSci for peer review structure of (R) software 02:24:59 Morane Gruenpeter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pf17Ef0HJYYVW8xnNX5a2xYOWxyx-QESNJoRNfCM4v0/edit?usp=sharing 02:25:24 Morane Gruenpeter: To access room1 document 02:25:37 Malin Sandström: * Ian Cosden is funded to professionalize the concept of Research Software Engineers and -Engineering 02:36:13 Stephan Janosch: Meaning of exchanged information is missing imho 02:38:29 Anna-Lena Lamprecht: +1 02:42:25 Morane Gruenpeter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yxA9aCJz6cefInffboN3B98HQ4xAufcqtrJnvRdPMXo/edit?usp=sharing 02:42:36 Morane Gruenpeter: To access room2 02:54:16 Paula Martinez: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Kau-hZ7k5wjEPcFRrem4L9sJOYfYTVBorcFqqZd8Dg/edit 03:00:45 Stephan Janosch: acmes badges: https://www.acm.org/publications/policies/artifact-review-badging 03:00:58 Paula Martinez: please also add extra resources at the end of the document if you know of some of them 03:01:01 Stephan Janosch: acmes = acm 03:01:05 Paula Martinez: i can see now, sorry about that glitch 03:01:52 Malin Sandström: I had an interesting discussion on Twitter about credit. Thread starts here: https://twitter.com/AnneEUrai/status/1327934091929464832 03:05:01 Paula Martinez: thanks for your input (Y) 03:05:27 Fotis Psomopoulos: www.menti. com 03:05:33 Fotis Psomopoulos: 15 51 51 6 03:06:16 Paula Martinez: menti.com 03:06:56 Malin Sandström: Malin: I recommend a look at how the BIDS community assigns credit: https://bids-specification.readthedocs.io/en/latest/99-appendices/01-contributors.html 03:09:08 Malin Sandström: Sloan foundation might also be interested 03:10:03 Paula Martinez: +1 OHBM ;) great community 03:11:49 Malin Sandström: Also EOSC and OPENAire 03:14:27 Matthias Liffers (he/his): Thanks for working late Michelle and Paula! 03:15:00 Paula Martinez: volunteering :)