thread_id,id,timestamp,body,subject,author,image_file,image_md5,country_code,country_name,unix_timestamp
27921064,27921064,2014-03-21 01:03:14,"It's time to discuss atheism and the political implications of atheism.
one of tonight's topics: Why aren't more American politicians openly atheist?",atheism general,sweboo,atheist-license-plate.jpg,PD8LLOfsx+x1TFiw1URu+w==,DM,,1395363794
32123192,32123192,2014-07-08 20:01:10,"Atheism was created by satan.
>>""The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ""agentur"" of the ""Illuminati"" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."" - Albert Pike",Atheism General,Atheism General,images.jpg,YfnqaQYrGZHApZ6ZFpyDvQ==,,,1404849670
39560886,39560886,2014-12-03 01:01:32,Dump em,Atheism General,Anonymous,14175663818854.jpg,qr1hvR27gUxtWkI65BKCOQ==,,,1417568492
39560886,39560900,2014-12-03 01:02:05,,,Anonymous,r3DdyUF.jpg,zppkMuUHAL4GAHQ+ynSs9g==,,,1417568525
39560886,39560968,2014-12-03 01:04:01,Why are there so many pictures of fat guys with fedoras?,,Anonymous,1409956401697.png,Khg7itYLdaC8Sed+kgLEUg==,,,1417568641
39560886,39560986,2014-12-03 01:04:40,>>39560886,,Anonymous,TheFaggot.png,8BFaMRnnQOT5BNQK9k/HIA==,,,1417568680
39560886,39561026,2014-12-03 01:06:00,,,Anonymous,Afuckingginger.jpg,zQX9M19mDQcTpkNEAr04AQ==,,,1417568760
39560886,39561030,2014-12-03 01:06:11,">>39560886
>Atheism General
1. Atheism is not a /pol/ topic. Please go back to /b/ or /x/.
2. Macros are forbidden at /pol/.",,Anonymous,,,,,1417568771
39560886,39561049,2014-12-03 01:06:56,">>39560986
Oh wait I thought the thread said autism general, shit.",,Anonymous,,,,,1417568816
39560886,39561151,2014-12-03 01:10:05,">>39561030
i'm new 
what is a macro",,Anonymous,,,,,1417569005
41491487,41491487,2015-02-12 10:29:12,"Atheists of all background assemble.
-Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
-What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
-What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
-Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
I am personally in love with taoism. I think it contains simple truths concerning the paradoxes of the universe and our lives. I especially like it because it doesn't preach morality but rather demonstrates that life is about what is front of us; Reality is what is and not what we imagine it to be. Being more aligned with the chaos makes us more open to truth and understanding",Atheism General,Anonymous,6xlpp43[1].jpg,5K0cbR7s2N74SX+4JlLQbg==,US,,1423736952
41491487,41491591,2015-02-12 10:33:06,">>41491487
Taoism was written for a ruler. It actually says not to educate your people.
Go with the flow, don't complain, know your place and don't try to change it.
But yeah it's not too bad. Like anything, has it's faults.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423737186
41491487,41491666,2015-02-12 10:36:29,">>41491591
A taoist is less likely to be patriotic and less likely to accept propaganda. just my opinion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423737389
41491487,41491794,2015-02-12 10:41:19,"I was raised a Catholic, but as I grew up I slowly realized I didn't believe. I guess I just don't have a reason to believe. Exciting, I know. 
inb4 le fedora meme",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423737679
41491487,41491795,2015-02-12 10:41:21,"Christianity forced down the throat up to age 17ish. Bored out of my mind and didn't interact with anyone because the people there weren't interesting personality wise. Driving an hour to church and another hour back was nothing more than a chore. Retreats were fun as long as it was it was just me and nature. 
My belief is generally don't be an asshole and we're cool, no matter background, race, or belief. 
What i consider right is don't be an asshole subjectively, some dickish behavior as long as it's objectively advantageous is technically fine by me, even if i may find objective behaviors i don't agree with questionable. 
Same goes for most wrong /right. I despise subjectivism with life choices. Objectivism all the way as is the basis for most atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423737681
41491487,41491837,2015-02-12 10:42:59,">>41491487
Was raised in a Protestant household. Parents not really diligent about church attendance. Was wracked with guilt when taught about sin and hell. Mom was more fire and brimstone but dad was kinda phoning it in when it came to religious instruction.
Turned 13 and started reading about ancient mythology and it dawned on me that Jesus and Yahweh were just another, more recent pantheon.
Not really versed in philosophy, but insofar as politics is concerned, I align most closely with the constitution party.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423737779
41491487,41492001,2015-02-12 10:49:54,">>41491487
- Both parents were Christian, but they never pushed it onto me or my brothers. Never really bought into that crap, so you could say that I've always been atheist.
- Well if it counts ""enjoy your life, while it lasts""
- Everything really depends on the situation. If someone steals your money to buy food for his starving sister, is it wrong to do that? In court of law it is considered wrong, but still he was just trying to feed his sister. Everything is just grey for me",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1423738194
41491487,41492002,2015-02-12 10:49:59,">-Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
>-What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
I just stopped believing in God when I was around 9. I told my mom and she was like ""Oh, ok"" like it was nothing, made me confused as to why she even bothered to send me to CCD for a week.
>-What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Taoism interests me greatly too. Buddhism is cool but it seems even more needlessly complicated.
>-Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? >What is the greatest right?
Uh ... Well first, I try not to polarize things using the words right and wrong, just because they aren't very descriptive words that hold a lot of weight. They don't answer why something is bad. For example, 
>This choice is wrong
vs
>This choice is going to help you at everyone else's expense, please be considerate
or
>This choice is going to have a horrible impact on your life, rethink your decisions
or something along those lines, tends to get people to listen a little more.
But I consider treachery one of the worst things you can be guilty of. It encompasses everything from deceit, to manipulation, to thievery. You should try to get through life being as least treacherous as possible, and it's sometimes unavoidable. You have to approach every situation individually and know when you are making excuses for yourself. There is no way of putting it into rules. Just don't be a lying asshole. That in itself is the greatest right.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423738199
41491487,41492789,2015-02-12 11:27:25,">>41491487
I follow the Jedi Code.",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1423740445
41491487,41492911,2015-02-12 11:32:03,"Never believed in god. ever.
My parents were agnostic and decided not to indoctrinate me with any religious belief, avoided the topic completely so I could form my own opinions without influence of parental dogma.
By the time I learned about the concept of god around age 5 I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that people actually believed such a thing.
This is why religious people have to brainwash their kids when they're young.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423740723
41491487,41492915,2015-02-12 11:32:09,">atheism
>peaceful
I think this hate group should leave /pol/. Most atheists are biased, pseudo intellectual, can't cite sources and are faggots.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1423740729
41491487,41492982,2015-02-12 11:34:30,">>41492915
gr8 b8",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423740870
41491487,41493155,2015-02-12 11:40:43,">>41491487
>Raised Catholic, lost faith around 15-16 (never fully believed anyway, just prayed once in a while for luck)
>Born - brought to church every weekend - got older - started questioning faith - lost faith
>Taoism, Zen Buddhism, Vedantic Hinduism, Discordianism, Absurdism
inb4 student
inb4 hat meme
inb4 meme philosophies
>What do you consider right and wrong?
kek I have no idea, I just follow my intuitions",,Anonymous,discordianism.jpg,ZS7dm0Xd0Y4N5rAG6Z0peA==,GB,,1423741243
41491487,41493190,2015-02-12 11:42:12,">>41491487
I liked dinosaurs, star wars, and astronomy as a kid God never stood a chance.",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1423741332
41491487,41493226,2015-02-12 11:43:34,">>41491487
Was never religious, just like my parents and grandparents. 
I follow no philosophy and don't study any of them. I'm more than able to make personal judgements on morals and have my own philosophic code.
Right and wrong are conditional and subject to case by case evaluation. I think that laws are useful but doing what is right at the personal level is sometimes required. 
The most wrong is a hard issue to pin down. Is intentional harm worse that accidental harm or harm from ignorance or even good intentions? Maybe the most wrong is what causes the most harm. But that also requires adjustments for what would happen if any other path was taken. Does single harm of a high degree outweigh slight harm to a large number of people?
I don't care. I do what I think is right to the best of my ability. Going down the path of conditional morality and right and wrong is generally a waste of time. That's not to say think before you act, but don't expect to be able to hammer out a catch all statement.",,Anonymous,1415390148676.jpg,Lg+G7EBJyPJFtGc/TyoXag==,US,,1423741414
41491487,41493242,2015-02-12 11:44:08,">>41492789
>I follow the Jedi Code.
Do you? Can you quote the code without looking it up?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423741448
41491487,41493284,2015-02-12 11:45:40,">raised protestant
>actually a good church community
>it wasn't some ""intellectual realisation"", I just saw the hypocrisy in religion and the lack of logic in the belief in God which lead me to think the assumption of his existence would be presumptuous
>all sorts of philosophy, Tao, Confucius stuff, I respect religions far more on a philosophical basis than an institutional one
Inb4 le neckbeard man
>2015
>using ad hom stereotypes",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423741540
41491487,41493289,2015-02-12 11:45:48,">>41491487
Atheist for past decade, raised presbyterian.
Took my faith seriously until a friend asked some difficult questions - this got me into a downward spiral that blossomed into a love of philosophy. 
I dabble in a lot of different stuff, some religious, most not. I would define myself as a moral relativist, with an understanding that we choose ours based on it being relative to human prosperity/ cohabitation.
I think some of the new age stuff is a bit interesting, tbh - more from a connectivity and an impact perspective. What are the real-life implications of phenomenon like quantum entanglement, as opposed to the woo woo of Deepak Chopra and the like?
Right and wrong - need context. Is there such a thing as greatest right or wrong? Senseless murder, perhaps, genocide? But what if the genocide was to stop a group like the Nazis, to keep them from destroying everything, and removing the rights of all? Subjective.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423741548
41491487,41493302,2015-02-12 11:46:03,"Not religious =/= Atheist
Agnostic theist > *",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423741563
41491487,41493351,2015-02-12 11:47:55,">>41491487
Definitely need to read The Art of Life one of these days.
Taoism seems pretty interesting for an old religion, but it seems to be about its own time period set in China when Science was a lot more misunderstood.
 There should be religion based on Taoism, but more scientifically adaptable.",,Anonymous,Tau_Spheres_of_Expansion.jpg,xKpTcBP1gXM0QpZA8D9zDw==,US,,1423741675
41491487,41493435,2015-02-12 11:50:35,">>41493302
Depends on your definition of religious. Many would define religious and theist as being interchangeable.
People, over the years, have associated religion with the institution, but this is a misappropriation of the term.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423741835
41491487,41493458,2015-02-12 11:51:15,Why do you need a general for a lack of belief? How pathetic can you be to define yourself by a negative?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423741875
41491487,41493498,2015-02-12 11:52:38,">>41493458
I don't define myself with a negative
If someone asks me about my lack of beliefs then I tell them, I don't go on about it 24/7",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423741958
41491487,41493519,2015-02-12 11:53:23,">>41491487
>-Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
Non-religious parents.
>-What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
Like basic education.
>-What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Spinozian determinism and Kantian morals, to put it simply.
I'm also very interested to Tolstoy's radical interpretation of Christianism, and Gandhi's generalization of it.
>-Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
Don't do to others what you wouldn't like to be done to you. That's not rocket science.",,Anonymous,I don't know this feel.jpg,mSs6sVlsQWNu9rciJSjosQ==,FR,,1423742003
41491487,41493571,2015-02-12 11:55:46,">>41493458
Non-religiousness is a political question when the world is inhabited in majority by people wanting to impose a bunch of irrational rules dictated by their faith.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1423742146
41491487,41493633,2015-02-12 11:58:12,"-Raised southern baptist
-The backwater town I grew up in was fiercely anti-evolution. I had an interest in natural science all my life. I compromised by becoming a pro-evolution christian. I joined youth church programs because of my friends. I was having doubts by this time and began researching other religions. Began to notice fundamental similarities. The youth program had a trip to some christian seminar/concert. During the prayer segment, people waved their hands, looked euphoric aka felt the power of god. I realized that they were experiencing the exact same thing as worshipers of other gods. Went home and paced around for a few hours thinking about everything. Realized the christian god doesn't exist.
-I follow a mishmash of philosophies, basically anything that promotes self control, improvement, honesty.
-Wrong is to hurt others AND yourself, doing so by accident is still wrong. The greatest right is to help others be more complete.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423742292
41491487,41493664,2015-02-12 11:59:12,"Nietzsche is such an important part of my life. It's really the next step after atheism.
I never realized how rotten and backwards the value system of Christianity and Judaism really were. After you read the anti-christ it becomes very apparent that the marxists and the new religions of equality and feminism are just the next evolution of Christianity.
I was raised Prodestant. Started questioning it when I was very young, fear of fire and brimstone kept going at it for a few years.
I remember I was so fucking bored in Church, never wanted to go. Stopped going when I was 12 and left the religion. Made me a lot happier. Christianity needs to tell you that you are a terible sinful person incapable of making your own judgments in order to keep you coming back. It's basically divine Stockholm syndrome.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423742352
41491487,41493674,2015-02-12 11:59:37,">>41491666
There's nothing wrong with patriotism per se. To stand up for a set of values like freedom, compassion, reason, is a good thing. Just don't become a mindless sheep that glorifies everything and ignores facts and reason. And don't go in the other direction, either, where all cultures are equally good (because they're most certainly not), or you're ""above"" having pride for your heritage. Because if you don't value and stand up for your culture, you leave yourself open to be appropriated by another. Cue kebab.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1423742377
41491487,41493685,2015-02-12 11:59:57,">Atheists 
>/pol/
Friendly reminder that you faggots are part of the problem.",,Anonymous,1395412406458.jpg,1tr/46cD3Gp1sq/zNoFpkA==,FI,,1423742397
41491487,41493734,2015-02-12 12:02:01,">>41493685
>Alan Carr 
kek
why is Adderall bad?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423742521
41491487,41493742,2015-02-12 12:02:12,">>41493685
But I'm an atheist and not a liberal.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423742532
41491487,41493773,2015-02-12 12:03:38,,,Anonymous,1423589025369.jpg,WtM7idi1/NkTHc/DrlRZPg==,US,,1423742618
41491487,41493809,2015-02-12 12:04:55,">>41492915
come on, most of us don't shitpost in your Christian General thread. more than not they are left alone. i even get into exegesis arguments from time to do in those threads but its peaceful",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423742695
41491487,41493825,2015-02-12 12:05:25,">>41493685
>>41493742
Yeah - most of that poster has nothing to do with atheism, and so far the atheists in this thread don't seem to be the crazy/ douchy ones depicted... honestly... ""I'm an atheist - debate me""... fucked.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423742725
41491487,41493826,2015-02-12 12:05:27,">>41491487
here I made you a chart",,Anonymous,happiness.png,e86fLO1iAA1jPa5XIWBreQ==,US,,1423742727
41491487,41493827,2015-02-12 12:05:29,>>41493773,,Anonymous,75328956891.png,VTGcbZTY2Qe/diasMx+9+g==,DE,,1423742729
41491487,41493849,2015-02-12 12:06:39,">>41493773
lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423742799
41491487,41493850,2015-02-12 12:06:43,">>41493773
I lulled hard - particularly because you are american so statistically might believe this interpretation of evolution!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423742803
41491487,41493860,2015-02-12 12:07:10,">>41492915
*Tips dead kike on a stick",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1423742830
41491487,41493871,2015-02-12 12:07:29,"I am questioning my faith, but if giving up on god means join you fag.... I might just stay in the flock.",,Anonymous,M'lady.jpg,O2Rr7Fd3UhaBAu2/eZTYPg==,US,,1423742849
41491487,41493905,2015-02-12 12:08:34,">>41492911
almost exactly the same story but parents are atheist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423742914
41491487,41493948,2015-02-12 12:10:17,">>41491487
Always an atheist. Never played a role in my life but I started to think more about it after Charlie Hebdo and seeing that in my own country people were prepared to put borders on free speech as a response to it (not a majority I hope though). Started to read a lot about religion and am now a little worried about the evil religion can actually do. And people are afrid to recognize it. People in the media in my country still often say factually incorrect shit like islam having nothing to do with what's happening now and the west is to blame for jihadism. 
I don't really adhere to any philosophy but I greatly value people thinking for themselves forming their own opinions and being open for reason and discussion.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1423743017
41491487,41493953,2015-02-12 12:10:26,">>41493871
You are being dishonest with yourself because of vanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743026
41491487,41493979,2015-02-12 12:12:03,">>41493850
Tell me more about the version you believe? And how you'll believe the next version just as much next year.
Its almost like your taking faith in teachings of your priests(scientists)
At least Christians don't reform year after year. Our 2000 year old theory is yet to be proven false.
 You kids change your story every Couple years",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743123
41491487,41494036,2015-02-12 12:14:29,">>41493979
>our theory which is impossible to falsify is yet to be proven false
no shit",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423743269
41491487,41494042,2015-02-12 12:14:40,"I was raised as a Roman Catholic and received both confirmation and communion (and baptism). At age 13, had a desire to become a Catholic priest when I grew up. Around 16 started to stop believing. After this it went from atheist to protestant, to studying world religions, to becoming a Jehovah Witness; Being a JW lasted for 3 years and still think JW have the best understanding of Christianity to date.
I let go to religion to same way Bill Burr described it in one of his shows. 
http://youtu.be/O7gU2XHh3SY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743280
41491487,41494058,2015-02-12 12:15:22,">>41493979
>creationism 
>yet to be proven false.
/pol/ is such a funny place to go.",,Anonymous,WYp1pHQL.jpg,z2Thj/S8f0iDgO9CX9MXSg==,FR,,1423743322
41491487,41494065,2015-02-12 12:15:37,">>41493979
Science tries to correct itself. It is an active pursuit of the truth.
Just because something is dogmatic and unchanging does not mean it is correct.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743337
41491487,41494071,2015-02-12 12:15:50,">>41493979
That was never a representation of a scientifically backed theory of evolution. Its just a picture some dongus made that sucked a bunch of retards (like you) into believing it.
>changing your world view based on what is observed
>bad",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423743350
41491487,41494098,2015-02-12 12:16:59,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
I think I was meant to be raised religious but for some reason I never bought into it. Went to a christian school and everything but not even at like 12 did most people take any of it seriously
>What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
When I was like 17 I wanted to see what the big deal with religion is all about so I started watching street preacher videos and discussions with christians because that's what my family was into and they seemed happy enough. I thought it would be cool to be christian. After watching all the videos and reading a lot into it there were so many questions that were left open and people would argue against the street preachers who would use logic I just couldn't accept as reasonable so I went and tried to search for the answer to all this questions and nobody could give a satisfactory answer.
None of it made any sense to me but I kept searching until I saw a discussion with Richard Dawkins and George Pell and Richard Dawkins just managed to make so much sense to me. I looked into atheism for the first time and they just consistently had answers that weren't a bunch of mental gymnastics.
>What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Not being a preachy faggot.
>Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
>greatest wrong?
Rape, torture and murder
>greatest right?
loli butts",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423743419
41491487,41494100,2015-02-12 12:17:06,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
Raised vaguely religious, parents by no means devout.
>What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
Mother died. Realised at 14-15 that I was only religious because of a fear of hell. Thought what kind of god is enough of a cunt to condemn people to eternal suffering out of jealousy?
>What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Not my bag, just get on with life. Guess I like John Stuart Mill.
>Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
Most wrong = fucking with people dindunuffin to you.
Most right = trying to make our brief time here better for others.",,Anonymous,9ba.gif,ys1Qru/KpxwPM+N1KbajwQ==,GB,,1423743426
41491487,41494105,2015-02-12 12:17:20,">>41494058
Hey that's me! I'm flattered you saved my picture bro",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743440
41491487,41494114,2015-02-12 12:17:36,">>41494058
Honestly, creationism could be evolution in a way. What if god intended to create life to be extremely adaptable? Seems like it would make sense, I mean, he's god, so it's totally with in his power.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743456
41491487,41494123,2015-02-12 12:17:57,"ATHEIST UPRISING!
3 MORE MUSLIMS!
3 MORE MUSLIMS!
Everyone will know atheism is the best rel- uh I mean the best rational position to hold!",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423743477
41491487,41494146,2015-02-12 12:19:06,">>41493979
As per the other posts, not much I can really add here. Either obvious troll is obvious, or you really don't understand science, period.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423743546
41491487,41494155,2015-02-12 12:19:20,"raised religious
when i was 11 i started to question it, lots of things didnt make sense.
never stopped thinking about it and by time i was 13 i dropped it. but i didnt tell anyone cause i also realized it would just make everyone sad
i took existentialism in college. teacher was awesome. was pretty cool. i cant remember who i sided with most, but i remember thinking sartre was an idiot.
whats right and wrong? bit vague but, freedom is the most important thing to have. you shouldnt be allowed to shackle, or be shackled. inflicting physical pain, or killing someone are both ways of inhibiting freedom so they are a no go.
this world has many wrongs, and they stem from a very complicated system of laws that weve set up for ourselves. things would not become perfect unless we did a complete overhaul, so there is no light at the end of the tunnel even visible yet.
i also do not seek truths for the things you state, i find this a silly waste of time. this world has so many real problems, you might as well continue to think about these things instead, in my head.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743560
41491487,41494159,2015-02-12 12:19:32,">>41493979
>Our 2000 year old theory is yet to be proven false.
Or correct. Burden of proofs lies with the claimant.",,Anonymous,1415624941738s.jpg,f3A+Bd/0Qsi6I4/AMh+0YQ==,GB,,1423743572
41491487,41494163,2015-02-12 12:19:40,">>41494114
That can obviously fit our knowledge of the universe, but then just as scientists it means you'd change your version.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1423743580
41491487,41494167,2015-02-12 12:19:48,">>41493979
>At least Christians don't reform year after year.
But they do, that is why there are so many denominations ranging from multiple beliefs. 
Being unchanging isn't alwaus a sign of strength",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743588
41491487,41494175,2015-02-12 12:20:12,">>41493979
Nice bait, but I'll bite.
1. Having immutable beliefs in the face of new evidence is not something an intelligent person can take pride in.
2. Even more so if the evidence is a veritable mountain and growing every year. Hundreds of disciplines corroborate the idea of evolution independently.
3. Chimps are just as ""evolved"" as humans. They're not the ancestors in the picture, but another branch parallel to humans, linking to a now extinct common ancestor species.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1423743612
41491487,41494195,2015-02-12 12:21:00,">>41493979
>Christians don't reform.
You've got a hundred different spin on denominations: Protestant, Catholicism, islam. Let's also not forget that Christianity itself is just a reformation of judaism.
 Also don't forget every single new age religion that claims that jesus is one of their holy men. The ancient alien religion is also part of Christianity. That's really what it comes down once you base your religion on 'faith'. You are no better than tarot card readers and ancient alien hunters.
But the real truth is that you have more trust in science than your God. If you got sick would you go to a doctor or a church? Would you trust medicine or would you expect some divine magic to cure you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743660
41491487,41494217,2015-02-12 12:21:53,">>41494175
>Chimps are just as ""evolved"" as humans. They're not the ancestors in the picture, but another branch parallel to humans, linking to a now extinct common ancestor species.
Thank you, Jermoney.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423743713
41491487,41494221,2015-02-12 12:21:59,">>41494159
>Burden of proofs lies with the claimant.
If I claim to be innocent, do I have to prove it?
This actually helps modern legal procedures make more sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743719
41491487,41494245,2015-02-12 12:23:01,">>41494221
...
The prosecutor...
makes the claim...
that you're guilty.........",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423743781
41491487,41494248,2015-02-12 12:23:15,">>41494221
>If I claim to be innocent, do I have to prove it?
No, if someone claims that you are guilty, they have to prove it.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423743795
41491487,41494249,2015-02-12 12:23:16,">>41494195
The thing with hating science by the religious (not all do this) is that they will also use science to try to prove their beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743796
41491487,41494262,2015-02-12 12:23:53,">>41494163
Well, Religion is adaptable, it always was; but generally, it changes over generations.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743833
41491487,41494274,2015-02-12 12:24:16,">>41493825
Liberals really took atheism and made it their own though. 
I mean if you were to graph atheists and theists on their political beliefs, I'm sure the results wouldn't surprise anyone.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423743856
41491487,41494283,2015-02-12 12:24:43,">>41494221
presumption of innocence is a legal doctrine that is designed to prevent a system whereby people can just go around making baseless allegations and getting other people into shit for it. It has nothing to do with whether or not you are in fact innocent",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423743883
41491487,41494307,2015-02-12 12:25:30,"I follow what Jesus said, as it makes a lot of sense. I don't worship or pray to a God. I am a Follower of Spinoza; a Pantheist. God is all around us. We are all part of It, and all It's wonder. Every thing and everyone is connected. We are all made of atoms and molecules, which if you travel in any direction in space, you will find atoms and molecules.
4 trillion miles away from us lies the very same chemical compounds of our bodies. God are those atoms and molecules; the very building blocks of life.
If we could see every atom or molecule, we wouldn't all be seperate entities. We are really and truely all connected, together in one plane of existance, coexisting (albeit not friendly coexisting). But we exist. 
God is all around us, and we live in the vastness of It's glory. The universe itself is our creator and God. All that pray and worship and God simply worships all the same thing. Religion becomes an argument over semantics and the nitty gritty details of their faith.
Love all who deserve your love, respect those who deserve respect. Be helpful to those in need, for no one else will be helpful. People turned their backs on Jesus's teachings, even in his own church. I don't care if people say Jesus was a commie. He taught humanity it can be beautiful and caring to each other. 
So I guess you can call that a form of ""atheism"" since I don't really have a faith. I do have plenty of spirituality though.",,Anonymous,1423430166256.jpg,BY3NnxP6agBkIjvpDwfFnQ==,US,,1423743930
41491487,41494312,2015-02-12 12:25:38,">>41494248
That's the theory, yeah.
In practicing, I am seeing more and more that most people assume some kind of intrinsic guiltiness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423743938
41491487,41494329,2015-02-12 12:26:34,">>41494221
To need to claim innocence, your guilt needs to be the default state.
That is a Christian idea.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1423743994
41491487,41494348,2015-02-12 12:27:06,">>41494274
Pictured: Well known liberal?",,Anonymous,stalin-bio.jpg,dmHne/ndlxQj1mAmCMF4qw==,GB,,1423744026
41491487,41494380,2015-02-12 12:28:28,">>41494348
The communist fella? Yeah.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423744108
41491487,41494415,2015-02-12 12:29:55,,,Anonymous,Beta.jpg,vRCfm3sWnJCSUyIDPFX91w==,US,,1423744195
41491487,41494440,2015-02-12 12:31:07,">>41491487
>Born and Raised as Muslim
>Subtle because I'm to be facing death penalty if anyone else around me knew about it
>'Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.'
>Side not: even though I'm an atheist I find Paganism and its culture rather ""interesting""",,Anonymous,,,LY,,1423744267
41491487,41494476,2015-02-12 12:32:43,">>41494440
>I find Paganism and its culture rather ""interesting""
me too, somewhat. would like to learn more about it.
Also, sorry to hear about being surrounded by murderous Muslims and how you have to keep your mask on",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423744363
41491487,41494623,2015-02-12 12:39:07,">>41493674
I don't mean to say that patriotism is bad but that blind patriotism is. Taoism isn't about falling in line. It's mainly about parodoxes. A Taoist may seek success and protect the well-being of others but at the same time do not adhere to any set moral code and do not care either way for success or failure. It's very situational and reacting when the time calls for it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423744747
41491487,41494647,2015-02-12 12:40:16,">>41494623
well not 'seek success' outright but live inline with the natural order which can bring about success. they just don't see it as something to directly focus on because it misses the point",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423744816
41491487,41494714,2015-02-12 12:43:12,"After I did shrooms and saw the true nature of the universe I became an atheist, nihilist and antinatalist.
This reality is just one huge meaningless meatgrinder and death is the only escape.",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1423744992
41491487,41494873,2015-02-12 12:49:16,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
Come from a mostly atheist background of Catholic descent. All of my family is anti union probably as a result of this.
>What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
As mentioned this was this vague sense of Catholicism within my family. Even though I wasn't particularly religious or anything I defended the Catholic church up until I was about 13 at which point I started redpilling myself.
>What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Daoism, (La'veyan) Satanism and Neo-Paganism. I like daoism since it seems to offer a peaceful alternative to a lot of the bullshit that most people react angrily or violently to. I like Satanism because it offers a more up to date morality system to a degree. I seems more honest and less demanding than most other religions. I like Paganism because it lets me understand more about my ancestors and offers a very beautiful frame of mind. I also like the Pagan ideal system. I probably would be Pagan if I didn't have any difficulty in believing in gods.
>Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
I consider freedom of speech to be the most important thing in western society. I think that the taking of a human life is the biggest wrong you can do. Once someone is dead they're dead. If you believe there is no afterlife then they cease to exist.",,Anonymous,200px-Triskele-Symbol1.svg.png,neZZfYAKFdyUiM06urxB0w==,GB,,1423745356
41491487,41496027,2015-02-12 13:38:13,"Raised Jewish but not that religious, only really still consider myself Jewish so I can use the Holocaust card.",,Anonymous,,,JP,,1423748293
41491487,41496201,2015-02-12 13:46:12,">>41496027
Jews are the least religious ""religious"" group.
Most jews are just like you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423748772
41491487,41496701,2015-02-12 14:06:27,">>41491487
I was raised in a religious environment, by a Christian family, going to church weekly, and attended a few Christian schools.
The ""supernatural"" never made sense to me, so I was always an atheist. 
I have no particular philosophy. ""Humans do foolish shit and shit happens, so life is full of shit."", pretty much sums up my beliefs.
I'm amoral.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423749987
41491487,41496745,2015-02-12 14:08:39,">>41491487
>Atheism General
A-atheism isn't a religion guys I swear!",,Anonymous,assholes.png,olEkqeGVoqI6hHuy/s58ZA==,US,,1423750119
41491487,41496826,2015-02-12 14:11:07,">>41496745
It isn't. If you look at people's responses, they are varied in experience and ideas. 
It's more about sharing how people live without religious belief. Atheists are here to share their stories about their path in life and how and why they left religion behind",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423750267
41491487,41496857,2015-02-12 14:12:24,">>41493809
>expecting fanatics to let others live in peace
Seriously, did you really think it wouldn't come to this? THEY keep calling US adversaries, yet they were always the ones who just couldn't fucking live one second without foaming at the mouth to a mere thought that somewhere, someone thinks differently.
Maybe you're expecting ISIL to turn into hippies one day too?",,Anonymous,7b5876aeedfdc52bb440e1f0dd587b3e.gif,xMtlTo+BqBpU/NebfQGojw==,PL,,1423750344
41491487,41496896,2015-02-12 14:13:37,">>41496826
Whatever helps you sleep at night.",,Anonymous,[Trigger warning].jpg,9cI8ojA4nHpfuS8rgFEjcw==,US,,1423750417
41491487,41497005,2015-02-12 14:17:57,">>41496857
They can't fathom why anyone would not believe. They think atheists are secret believers but pretend to not believe because they fear Christ or something. 
It's especially weird because Jesus said to worry about their own salvation; Spread the word for those that want to hear but at the end of the day it's up to God so worry about your own salvation.
>>41496896
It's a lack of belief bro.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423750677
41491487,41497017,2015-02-12 14:18:35,zues master of olympics,,Anonymous,1411784507.jpg,yVFgTMdENBm3eDEnWWTnYg==,CA,,1423750715
41491487,41497049,2015-02-12 14:20:23,">>41496896
>Comic contains no arguments
Why are you such a sperglord?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423750823
41491487,41497103,2015-02-12 14:22:50,"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1423750970
41491487,41497133,2015-02-12 14:24:01,">>41491487
>Atheists of all background assemble!
>ends up surrounded by team autism",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423751041
41491487,41497155,2015-02-12 14:25:11,">>41496896
>zombie hitchens
that's pretty fucked up for a Christian to make",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423751111
41491487,41497172,2015-02-12 14:25:51,">>41497005
Sure as hell they can't, this is where religious wars, pogroms etc. came from. If it wasn't for separation of church and state, those ""peaceful"" christians would be just as bloodthirsty as the worst of mudslimes, if not more. 
Christians being so full of shit never fail to rustle my jimmies",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1423751151
41491487,41497216,2015-02-12 14:27:40,">>41497133
>using autism as an insult
>trying to be hurtful to his fellow brothers and sisters
god is watching
>>41497172
If I had to choose between a Christian theocracy and a Muslim theocracy, I'd choose the Christian theocracy. Fucked up shit would go down but there would at least be a level of civility.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423751260
41491487,41497222,2015-02-12 14:27:55,">>41491487
I'll play this silly game, I have some time.
I was not raised religious, my mother always believed in heaven and the christian god but we never went to church and never really discussed it. When my aunt died I asked if she was an angel (I think I was like...6? Probably younger.) That is the last and only time I can remember thinking about got before I realized that Egyptian mythology was bad ass (like 6-8) but could be just as real as modern religion. I always thought there was a god because society acts like there is one by default. It's on our money and in our pledge. I quickly realized it was no more true than Egyptian myth and Youtube helped me with the logic of it. I loved learning the arguments.
I don't have any philosophies other than to follow reason as best I can. I think other than that, everybody is equal, and humanity should exist to improve its own condition as much as possible by extending the life and quality of life for everybody. 
The most wrong is to not live your life thinking. It is also very pleasurable but leads to people doing horrible things to each other. I think you should also care about others, even if not emotionally just rationally if that makes any sense.
The greatest right could be devoting yourself to objectively improving humanity. This means increasing quality of life as much for as many as possible.
Also, I think taoism is a very interesting idea. I love the concept of ""the way"". I suppose I think it looks like an ancient idea about determinism, how the universe is like clockwork and trying to fight that natural process or way is the source of all strife in life. Beautiful, almost Buddhist. I like them too.
Good thread OP.",,Anonymous,babyface.jpg,NEhytE8sPJLR+va1SfBIrg==,US,,1423751275
41491487,41497294,2015-02-12 14:30:51,">>41497216
>level of civility.
Hahaha, not where I live
>>41497133
Oh, we've got the first Nigelroach here",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1423751451
41491487,41497330,2015-02-12 14:31:39,">>41497155
>comic criticizing new-atheism
>hurr it must've been made by a Christian durr
You guys are a joke.",,Anonymous,Steampunk.png,dhcwdCvd6bhV8MR8IKa9wA==,US,,1423751499
41491487,41497428,2015-02-12 14:34:43,">>41497330
It usually is.
well meme'd, sir
i used to wear kangol hats but thats partly because im italian and because theyre sweet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423751683
41491487,41497572,2015-02-12 14:39:12,">>41497330
""New-Atheism""
What the hell is that?
Atheism means you don't believe in god, it implies nothing else.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423751952
41491487,41497642,2015-02-12 14:41:33,">>41497216
>autism is not an insult
bwaahahaha
>anyone who insults atheism must be a theist
Your autism is showing",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423752093
41491487,41497720,2015-02-12 14:44:43,">>41491487
>-What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
>I am personally in love with taoism.
I recommend you read from the stoic branch of greek philosophy. Much of what modern westerners are finding in Buddhism and Taoism is actually already covered by western philosophy. We just forgot about it.
Even better with the stoics is that they removed a lot of the religious dead weight we now need to remove ourselves from the Buddhism that is practiced in the west.
The one thing eastern philosophy got down better was meditation practice.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423752283
41491487,41497731,2015-02-12 14:45:10,">>41497642
>autism is not an insult
It isn't. Only immature people use it as one.
>Your autism is showing
uh huh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423752310
41491487,41497766,2015-02-12 14:46:16,">>41491487
Raised Church of England, used to go to church every Sunday and schooled at a CofE religious school, but neither my parents or schools were bonkers evangelical types. I was allowed to believe what I wanted.
I actually wanted to become a vicar when I was young.
Grew out of religion in my late teens and early 20s. I just realised that there is no proof of the existence of god(s) and no reason to believe in them. Also Christian theology and morals has a large number of holes in it.
I don't really subscribe to a particular philosophy. I figure the ""big"" crimes, murder, rape, theft etc are wrong and that we have developed our secular laws against them for a reason.
I believe in a kind of karma, not in a supernatural way, but the fact that based on game theory being a decent person that is fair and decent to other people is the best way we can all live in a happy society and statistically the most likely route to leading a successful and happy life.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423752376
41491487,41497777,2015-02-12 14:47:01,>>41497572,,Anonymous,atheism+.png,mnP+JESl45fNuA3KtDkHXQ==,GB,,1423752421
41491487,41497792,2015-02-12 14:47:49,">>41497720
Yeah, there is some religious dead weight involved.
Any stoic philosopher you can recommend?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423752469
41491487,41497796,2015-02-12 14:47:58,">>41497731
Autism can never be viewed in a positive light.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423752478
41491487,41497819,2015-02-12 14:49:07,">>41497796
It can depending on the angle you view it.
Regardless, using a disability (not always) to try to make your point is cowardly. Rely on actual arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423752547
41491487,41497835,2015-02-12 14:49:40,,,Anonymous,96770-L-LO.jpg,en0LJe4IYzhvP31sdibGig==,CA,,1423752580
41491487,41497883,2015-02-12 14:51:32,,,Anonymous,Plate 4.jpg,+9tP+KY/WkBSVeJzo9DXjQ==,CA,,1423752692
41491487,41497894,2015-02-12 14:52:01,">>41497572
>""New-Atheism""
>What the hell is that?
The new atheists or four horsemen were Dawkins, Dennet, Hitchens and Harris who were all writing anti-religious books around the same time. 
Since the internet has a very short memory, let me sum it up. Around the millennium we still had active debates about creationism. Creationism in schools wasn't trounced until Dover in 2005:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District
People have also forgotten that the internet was full of religious apologia that hadn't been updated for 150 years and that Intelligent Design was still promoted as if it wasn't creationism (something the later wedge document and copypaste misadventures in the proposed schoolbooks revealed). 
In short; atheism won. It won so roundly the majority of the organizations that popped up to do this fight have been useless for years and instead of cutting edge new attacks on Islam they sit around and pat each others backs. A small fringe has even tried to rebrand Atheism into SJW ideology by making it ""Atheism+"", something that luckily fell on its face.
Hitchens attacked Islam pretty well and Dawkins has been taking over his mantle online, which has rustled a hell of a lot of squishy leftist atheists.
An unintended sideeffect of winning the internet wars is that in what was previously a mostly white male academic area of debate, we now have an influx of people who can only regurgitate arguments they've read. Useless whining shitstains who make noise about what atheism ""should"" mean. Fuck those people.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423752721
41491487,41497898,2015-02-12 14:52:03,">>41497777
Seems pretty stupid.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423752723
41491487,41497903,2015-02-12 14:52:09,,,Anonymous,baalbeck2.jpg,2Ym1fjoL+EsC+9yWosRzuA==,CA,,1423752729
41491487,41497986,2015-02-12 14:55:29,,,Anonymous,icadinoeatman.jpg,+O396q1N0IJhkehayIjYng==,CA,,1423752929
41491487,41497995,2015-02-12 14:55:43,">>41497819
Sorry but being socially and emotionally retarded is not a positive, no matter how you spin it.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423752943
41491487,41498004,2015-02-12 14:55:57,">>41497894
Got it.
New-atheism = a tiny number of unimportant SJWs + desperate butthurt American Christians whi have been BTFO in every argument desperately swinging at strawmen.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423752957
41491487,41498058,2015-02-12 14:58:19,">>41498004
>New-atheism = a tiny number of unimportant SJWs
No. 
New atheism was a group fighting against the spread of religion in schools and academia primarily, but also fighting against theocracy in general. 
Post-""new atheism"" you have a group of SJWs trying to take over the atheist label for their own purposes.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423753099
41491487,41498182,2015-02-12 15:02:26,">>41497995
Autistics can be very bright and excel in many areas. There is a spectrum of autism and many of them have normal lives without anyone ever knowing they are autistic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423753346
41491487,41498263,2015-02-12 15:05:05,">Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
I always thought that my family was ""normal"" and normally religion isn't a huge part of Finnish families, but since growing up and brushing the subject with my mother it's come apparent that while my mother kind a believes that there is something out there she lost a sister when she was young and her mother told her that if there was a God our family wouldn't follow him because he took my mother's sister away and before I was born my mother miss carried which might have reinforced this point.
>What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
As said ""normal"" up bringing, but most likely even less church going than with other Finnish families. I went through the normal religion schooling thing-y we have here and while it was fun hanging around with kids my age in the woods for few weeks while almost learning about the Bible even then my heart was more into the gifts I was going to get from family and I guess my god mother knew this since my ""coming to faith"" cross was viking design and not traditional cross like rest of my ""class mates""
>What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
I'd just like if everyone would get along and focus on bettering human race, but then again I hate immigrants who just lie around and get welfare while Finnish students get shafted into loans and low welfare.
>Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
Most wrong is killing another human, that being said I'm not against capital punishment.
Greatest right is to give yourself to others, be it teaching or volunteering or donating money and these can take many forms, just try to be excellent to each other.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1423753505
41491487,41498309,2015-02-12 15:06:08,">>41498058
I've never heard Dawkins or Hitchens describe themselves as ""new atheist"".",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423753568
41491487,41498310,2015-02-12 15:06:08,">>41497792
>Any stoic philosopher you can recommend?
I think Marcus Aurelius ""Meditations"" is a good starting point. Note that he's not really a stoic philosopher, but rather a stoic practitioner. He wrote ""Meditations"" as a guide for himself, and as such it's a bit of a jumble, but it contains essentially his view on life from a stoic outlook given to him by stoic philosophers. 
Here's the raw text, it's probably available as a free ebook in whatever format you like if you look around:
http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html
I pick him rather than more formal philosophers because I think his way is the stoic way; a continuing dialogue about life and meaning in the sharpest terms, with the least amount of illusions and wishful thinking.
In eastern terms; ""The way that can be overtrod is not the Eternal Way"" - talking about it is not practicing.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423753568
41491487,41498353,2015-02-12 15:07:45,">>41498182
People can be very bright and excel in many areas, autism limits the social interactions of a certain percentage, the two that I work with are a constant strain and i feel like a babysitter. Nice guys but holy shit i feel bad for them.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423753665
41491487,41498445,2015-02-12 15:10:44,"Have to admit it , fedora nonsense or what have you , I am one of you guys , former mormon , I dont shit on christians or act smarmy . I just believe space holds all our answers to the past and the future",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423753844
41491487,41498489,2015-02-12 15:12:28,">>41498353
Ok.
>>41498310
Thanks for the recommendation. I guess reading the writings of a person that actually lives it is a better example than a philosopher can give. Teach by example.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423753948
41491487,41498518,2015-02-12 15:13:31,need diamond tipped or laser cutters for granite,,Anonymous,ancientegyptiangraniteboxes.jpg,79RLo3t/vnOMSppyThZ72g==,CA,,1423754011
41491487,41498555,2015-02-12 15:14:38,"please post your data here!
no shit posters
>>41498114",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1423754078
41491487,41498573,2015-02-12 15:15:27,">>41498445
I agree with you, both on space and acting nastily towards religious people generally.
In the real world I never have a pop at religious people, but I admit I do actively contribute and have a pop at religions (not religious people) on /pol/ threads, but isn't that why we are all here? By that I mean we are here to strongly argue controversial topics on an anonymous forum.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423754127
41491487,41498668,2015-02-12 15:19:09,">>41493685
>basic strawman arguments
sheesh, its 2015, i get that some atheist do resort to them, but its same stupidity if you do it your self.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423754349
41491487,41498709,2015-02-12 15:20:47,>special snowflake blogs : The Thread,,Anonymous,,,US,,1423754447
41491487,41498765,2015-02-12 15:22:35,">>41496896
>I can't argue against him
>I'll argue against Sam Harris instead",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423754555
41491487,41498767,2015-02-12 15:22:36,they just happened to find rocks that fit together like that? or they liquified them and poured it like concrete,,Anonymous,fortaleza de Sacsayhuaman 2.jpg,Zi9Nz4NXKiCv1jU2c3z5oQ==,CA,,1423754556
41491487,41498771,2015-02-12 15:22:57,">>41498518
>need diamond tipped or laser cutters for granite
No you really don't. You can use sand sawing, spit fracturing and sand polishing, all techniques used until present day.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423754577
41491487,41498805,2015-02-12 15:24:10,">>41498767
>they just happened to find rocks that fit together like that? or they liquified them and poured it like concrete
If they can liquify rock and pour it why are they so asymmetrical? It'd be dead easy to make a mold and have 100% identical blocks.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423754650
41491487,41498838,2015-02-12 15:25:14,more ancient granite cut with machine like precision at puma punku,,Anonymous,246t7rd.jpg.png,nQXJFGTfkqsDfegs8ZZPJA==,CA,,1423754714
41491487,41498843,2015-02-12 15:25:26,threads about religion on /pol/ always seem to descend into Americans arguing with imaginary atheists while the rest of the world looks on in bewilderment,,Anonymous,8622.jpg,rBk0nMJ252QDW8a8CfITLw==,GB,,1423754726
41491487,41498934,2015-02-12 15:29:05,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
mixed, i grew up away from my parents, and grew up as a cultural catholic, but more secular leaning
after i lived with my parents i had to go to my father's pentecostal church, nice people, but services were overtely emotional( people only where only ""possessd by the spirit"" when someone played the drums or the piano, never seem to happend when the musicans where absent) and had the basic cretionist argumets.
as i became a teenager their relgion dind't click with me, and i prefer reading on scientific feats and even took some courses so that i could read academic journals with more efficiency
TL:DR
not growing up religious innoculated me
-What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
i never really was religious in the first place, so it was pretty easy, my mom kinda knows and my dad is kinda in the dark, and hes a bro so i probably will never tell him.
-What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Dennet and Harris are preety interesting, not too much into philosophy though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423754945
41491487,41498955,2015-02-12 15:30:02,">>41498709
Oh! I've seen plenty of special snowflake Christian threads on /pol/.
In other words people celebrating the idea that a god magicked himself down from Magicland into the womb of a virgin and then tortured himself to death in order to forgive evil caused by a talking snake giving an apple to woman made from a rib and then floated back up to Magicland again especially so that humans could gain entry to Magicland.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423755002
41491487,41498965,2015-02-12 15:30:21,">>41498838
there was this guy that erected his own stonehenge by jerry rigging a device where he removed weights around",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423755021
41491487,41498999,2015-02-12 15:32:08,">>41498838
>more ancient granite cut with machine like precision at puma punku
The rocks at Puma Punku are not granite, they're sandstone. You know, one of the easiest rocks to cut.
>Since the radiocarbon date came from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill underlying the andesite and sandstone stonework, the stonework must have been constructed sometime after 536–600 CE .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
There's no granite. Ancient Aliens is lying to you.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423755128
41491487,41499024,2015-02-12 15:33:13,">>41498709
so you have to be a special snowflake for not believing in something? does that make you a special snowflake for not believing in Islam? There are billions of adherents. Why do you think you are special enough not to follow them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423755193
41491487,41499033,2015-02-12 15:33:34,"My family is Catholic, but they weren't heavily religious. They believe in god and all but don't exactly go to church every Sunday.
I was kind of always skeptical of religion as I grew up but I didn't consider myself an Atheist until I was around 14-15 or so. Started getting really into space and science, which put the final nail in the coffin of my religiousness. I went through my edgy teenager ""kill all religion"" phase and have mellowed out and don't particularly care about religion one way or the other at this point.
In terms of right and wrong I still for the most part line up with Christianity, as that's what I was raised with. Hell I still even wear Jesus around my neck. Although I don't really hate gays. Don't particularly like them either. Just indifferent for the most part as it doesn't really influence my life either way.
For the most part I try to avoid calling myself an ""Atheist"" as edgy fedora tipping retards have basically tainted the word by now.",,Anonymous,1420761747526.jpg,ILYMS4KI655HQQQo983+Jg==,US,,1423755214
41491487,41499184,2015-02-12 15:39:05,">>41491487
Raised Catholic, and still hold it's beliefs which can be applied to a secular mindset
The idea of an all knowing, all powerful god became immediately abhorrent and terrifying to me once I thought about it. The Abrahamic God is beyond Cthulhu tier, when you think about it.
I personally like all forms of philosophy
The greatest right is freedom, the greatest wrong is too much freedom",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423755545
41491487,41499212,2015-02-12 15:40:22,">>41499033
>as edgy fedora tipping retards have basically tainted the word by now.
Honest question.
Are fedoras even associated with atheism generally in the US?
I have never even seen a fedora IRL other than at a fancy dress party and as far as I can tell calling people ""fedoras"" is a feminist meme from Tumblr and Reddit that has been claimed by Christians solely on /pol/ to identify atheists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423755622
41491487,41499261,2015-02-12 15:42:06,">>41498805
i dont know how they did it so i cant tell you",,Anonymous,1285872.jpg,uIDLzi+W/nwLSauo77Gu+Q==,CA,,1423755726
41491487,41499321,2015-02-12 15:44:20,">>41499212
It may even be more associated with Christians. Google: Christian fedora then google Atheist fedora. There is around 10x the results for Christian fedora.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423755860
41491487,41499631,2015-02-12 15:54:55,">>41499261
>i dont know how they did it so i cant tell you
The difference is you're protesting established science by suggesting superpowered technologies like rock melting were available but at the same time you can't make an argument for why that would produce asymmetrically shaped and sized rocks.
It's like suggesting maybe they had levitating technologies to help build the pyramids, but for some fucking reason they couldn't figure out how to use this to do more useful things than put some rocks on top of each other, something we know you don't need levitation to do.
Your alternate explanatory model is full of holes.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423756495
41491487,41499634,2015-02-12 15:54:59,">>41499212
tbh I don't even leave my house so I have no experience with it outside of the internet anyway",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423756499
41491487,41499733,2015-02-12 15:59:21,">>41498999
or wikipedia is lying to you",,Anonymous,dogon-sirius.jpg,5kxnflkc7bXqCJ/guxAH/Q==,CA,,1423756761
41491487,41499736,2015-02-12 15:59:33,"Norwegian, never been religious, dont know anyone religious. Never really thought of it as a big deal.",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1423756773
41491487,41499820,2015-02-12 16:02:21,">>41493825
I think many of the really intense internet atheists live in areas where they have to hide the fact that they're not religious, so they vent their frustration on the internet where they are anonymous. Think of it like new vs old money.",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1423756941
41491487,41499921,2015-02-12 16:06:00,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist?
My grandmother is a very liberal Christian, and thus my mother was raised as one too, but she quickly defected to atheism. Both of them believe that faith is something people should chose themselves, and that one of the worst things in modern British society is that the religious indoctrination of children continues to go unchecked because ""muh freedom of speech and culture"". As such, religion almost became a taboo in my household growing up, because both my parents were afraid to tell me their atheist opinions, for fear it'd colour my own still developing ones, and couldn't teach me anything more than the basics of other religions, since they knew nothing about them themselves. In the end, after learning alot about Christianity and Islam through school and my own research, I chose to be atheist in my teenage years anyway, having come to the conclusion that belief in God was illogical.
>What philosophies, if any, are you into?
I personally love anti-nihilism, as in the belief that because nothing is permanent and thus everything is objectively worthless, our only goal in life should be to spread as much happiness amoungst ourselves and others as possible, since justifying others suffering by it adding to a ""greater goal"" is pointless. Living just to see others smile, and just letting go of all consideration for those who refuse to, is very liberating.
>Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
As mentioned above, I think that anything which sacrifices others happiness for a ""greater goal"" is objectively wrong, unless that greater goal is the greater happiness of many more than whom were sacrificed. As for the greatest right, that would ber the ensurance that everyone is the most happy they can be given the controllable circumstances. I definitely take a utilitarian approach to morals.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423757160
41491487,41499998,2015-02-12 16:09:26,">>41499631
how do you explain it then?",,Anonymous,coralgate.gif,4pxSlD+ZupawA8iPTEr9Dg==,CA,,1423757366
41491487,41500186,2015-02-12 16:17:22,">>41499998
It could have been done in various ways. It doesn't mean that we should start believing in levitation. I wrote above that some guy raised heavy stones merely by moving weights around",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423757842
41491487,41500286,2015-02-12 16:20:58,">>41499733
>or wikipedia is lying to you
Wikipedia and everyone in all fields who study these things. In fact it'd have to be conspiracy that reaches from material science to archaeology, to history and forensics. Each step along the way is littered with a thousand things that are key changes in what we know.
And you need all those changes to say ""eeeh, maybe they liquified rock or something"". For what purpose? Your personal incredulity over transporting and carving rock? Have you read about the standard models at all? Do you understand what the standard explanations are?
>>41499998
>how do you explain it then?
To restate my hypothetical to you; would you swallow any ""alternative explanation"" given to you? If I tell you right now there are civilizations living across the sea floor and science knows about it but doesn't tell anyone, do you believe it?
How about if I tell you egyptians had resurrection technology?
Maybe the vikings teleported away to a space station called Valhalla?
All this could be used to explain some mystery in history.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423758058
41491487,41500320,2015-02-12 16:22:16,">>41500186
heres the video http://youtu.be/uYQBDhkBfr0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423758136
41491487,41500397,2015-02-12 16:24:49,">>41499998
According to Viking mythology, eclipses occur when two wolves, Skoll and Hati, catch the sun or moon. At the onset of an eclipse people would make lots of noise, hoping to scare the wolves away. After some time, people must have noticed that the eclipses ended regardless of whether they ran around banging on pots.
We used to think thunder and lightning were caused by the thunder gods.
We don't have to explain every minor issue you want to seize upon and explain how everything you, we and humanity in general isn't sure about.
Try explaining why every single gap in human knowledge is vindication of your personal religious beliefs for a change.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423758289
41491487,41500411,2015-02-12 16:25:25,>>41498955,,Anonymous,Realize-I-Was-God.png,qidbV6+34/MDyxpfkdd31A==,CA,,1423758325
41491487,41500478,2015-02-12 16:28:00,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
I was raised religious. No one is born enlightened, you must walk a path to enlightenment.
>What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
On day I was lurking internet in search of knowledge and I saw Amazing Ateists video where he defiles himself with a banana and I immediately knew that was my calling and I checked his youtube videos and realize I share his outlook on reality and many other things.
>What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Taoism.
>What is the greatest right?
Enjoying thyself with a banana shoved up ass.",,Anonymous,,,SI,,1423758480
41491487,41500621,2015-02-12 16:33:11,">>41500411
;-)",,Anonymous,Jeebus.jpg,xtGtbekkCL05asaxPiH4jw==,GB,,1423758791
41491487,41500747,2015-02-12 16:37:41,">>41491487
Agnostic here, think you're retarded.
'' We can't prove that god exists therefor it dosn't exist '' Why don't you apply your own logic to your ideas before sounding dumb? Can you prove that there isn't a god that just forgot/ dosn't care/ dosn't interfere with us? That's what I thought. People that don,t apply their own logic to their own point of views are so stupid.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423759061
41491487,41500764,2015-02-12 16:38:21,">>41500286
>do you understand what the standard explanations are?
thats why i asked
>backwards riddles
just answer the question",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423759101
41491487,41500791,2015-02-12 16:39:26,"My parents have literally never talked to me about other than telling me that I've been baptised because my mother is orthodox. No idea about my dad, it just never came up.
Growing up in a Christian country I'm still open to the possibility of God existing and quite hopeful of it, but I just don't think it's very likely and even if it were there's still practically no chance that the real God would be the same as the one described in the Bible (even if when someone says God I obviously picture the Biblical God.) All things considered, I'm probably just not a very spiritual person.
Also since my country is mostly Christian, everyone seems to assume everyone else is a Christian too and I'm fine with that.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1423759166
41491487,41500799,2015-02-12 16:39:47,">>41491487
>path from religion to atheism 
Not all atheists are secular. Most atheists are religious.",,PissBeUponHim,,,US,,1423759187
41491487,41500826,2015-02-12 16:40:48,">>41500799
Aren't Buddhists technically atheists?",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1423759248
41491487,41500863,2015-02-12 16:42:27,">>41491487
Was raised an atheist by atheists, so no path from religion.
Have studied both religion and philosophy extensively in college. All have something to offer, none seem acceptable as truth with a capital t.
Right and wrong (i.e. morality) is mostly common sense, golden-rule stuff. I find it ironic that religious people claim you need religion to be moral and yet they themselves behave in utterly immoral ways (lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc.)
Not really into spirituality as it just seems like complete nonsense. There is no mind, no soul, nothing everlasting; there is only brain and it is nothing more than complex biology/chemistry/physics, no magic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423759347
41491487,41500875,2015-02-12 16:42:48,">>41492911
>atheists have life figured out by age 5
*tips fedora*",,PissBeUponHim,,,US,,1423759368
41491487,41500952,2015-02-12 16:45:23,">>41491487
Catholic to atheist to agnostic right here.
Went atheist because I went to a Catholic school and rebelling is fun. Then in high school turned agnostic. When you consider how fucking massive the universe is, saying that absolutely no ""higher power"" exists seems ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423759523
41491487,41500996,2015-02-12 16:46:55,">>41500826
The majority are. 
Don't forget humanists, Atheism+, cultural Christians, Jewish Atheists.
Most atheists are religious.",,PissBeUponHim,,,US,,1423759615
41491487,41501012,2015-02-12 16:47:32,">>41500747
It always amuses me when theists pretend to be agnostic in order to troll atheists.
Do tell me what you believe? Is it...,
a) I am believe the religion I was raised in is probably correct but occasionally have doubts
or 
b) I don't really know.
Because if you are b) you are no different to the majority of atheists on the planet and if you are a) you are just a religious person with some doubts.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1423759652
41491487,41501017,2015-02-12 16:47:40,">>41500186
>whats a mag lev train?
moving heavy stones is not shaping stones so precisely you cant even fit a piece of paper between them",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423759660
41491487,41501169,2015-02-12 16:52:37,">>41491487
-Raised religious
-realized no infallible creator of the universe could create the assholes that were bullying me in 7th grade (the year I became an atheist)
-I follow the same moral code as everyone else, I just don't believe in any gods. I stopped being a militant atheist and mellowed out, but I just can't believe in a god again.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423759957
41491487,41501172,2015-02-12 16:52:43,">>41500397
gods = aliens is why they need ""chariots"" to fly",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423759963
41491487,41501211,2015-02-12 16:54:17,>>41501172,,Anonymous,1422811345750.webm,Mf3diTaINybdPzI2W2CVEQ==,CA,,1423760057
41491487,41501294,2015-02-12 16:57:15,">>41491487
>-Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
I wasn't raised religious, most of my family is atheist and the ones who are not generally don't give a fuck about religion and highly critical of it. To clarify, I am Turkish, I am here just for master's degree.
>-What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
It was never like a path, since I was never really into religion and Islam especially made me want to puke each time I heard of fucktards doing retarded shit in the name of it. Most of my friends are atheists anyway.
>-What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
None, I just want to be left alone and do engineering and mathematics.
>-Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong? What is the most wrong in your opinion? What is the greatest right?
Don't know. don't care.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1423760235
41491487,41501575,2015-02-12 17:08:37,">>41501017
but implying magic was involved isn't going to answer the question",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423760917
41491487,41501954,2015-02-12 17:21:07,">>41501575
youre the one that brought up levitation and magic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_levitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423761667
41491487,41502076,2015-02-12 17:24:44,">>41500747
>'' We can't prove that god exists therefor it dosn't exist ''
Most atheists are 'agnostic atheists'. This means that we cannot be sure that God does not exist and trying to disprove God seems impossible. 
Being an atheist isn't the same as believing God could definitely not exist. It's pretty literally disbelief in any diety. We don't see the proof so we don't believe and lack the belief.
It's a simple question: Do you believe in God?
Yes or No. 
If you answered yes, congratulations you aren't an atheist.
If you answered no, congratulations, you are an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423761884
41491487,41502137,2015-02-12 17:26:30,">>41500799
I should have said:
>path from belief in a diety to atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423761990
41491487,41502189,2015-02-12 17:28:07,">>41501954
If they had this incredible technology back then, it stands to reason that this technology would have continued to be used. Yet the same people with this amazing technology far ahead of their time, were still rubbing dung on them because they thought it was healthy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423762087
41491487,41502736,2015-02-12 17:46:03,">>41502189
>if they had this incredible technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery",,Anonymous,z001-astronomo-c-constelaciones.jpg,4H1BUo3OxsmmIu5F77QFpA==,CA,,1423763163
41491487,41502832,2015-02-12 17:49:10,">>41502736
I meant amazing technology as in levitating 50 ton stones. All I am saying is to use occams razor",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423763350
41491487,41503018,2015-02-12 17:54:47,">>41491487
Raised Christian. It looked like a fedora tipping teenager rebelling against his family (initially, anyway), but slowly turned into apathy.
Existentialism. Since the world has no inherent meaning we obviously need to find our own. I still have sympathy for old ways though. I'd rather take life advice from men who made breakthroughs in their fields and fought battles for their interests, building and maintaining civilizations that even today people feel nostalgia for than the useless shits we have today.",,Anonymous,tipsfedora.jpg,jhV7eY2a+U3GX+K25JxF4w==,US,,1423763687
41491487,41503023,2015-02-12 17:54:51,">>41491487
 i was raised catholic, but ive always had my doubts about religion. in third grade, i was being taught about heaven. long story short, i was questioning the teacher how an adult would. such as ""do you know that happens, or are you assuming that happens?"" to the point where i think she was beginning to have her doubts. i was just looking for the truth/ context for her explanations. i didnt buy it then and i dont buy it now.
my path went from trying to have faith, to agnositism (believing that no one knows the answers) to atheism, which means that i do not have a belief at all about religious topics, not even who does or doesnt know. i have actually learned some things i consider to be truth about the world, which took years of searching to find, and someone who is very religious would never start that journey. the journey for truth, not faith. 
a philosophy i am into is thinking positive. what this means to me is that your thinking is everything. there are people out there who go thru life angry, or jealous, ect. even religious peoplet. i want to be happy, which is a thought process, and something i need to consider at all times. all of you who call that BS are probably the ones who drive like assholes or talk gossip behind peoples backs but say ""im deeply religious."" the philosophy (way of thinking) i am into is keeping my thinking positive. 
i define right and wrong as- if something is good for you, and everyone, it is right. if it is bad for either party, it is wrong. ppl will say ""but what about sacrificing yourself for something?"" that is wrong, because i would be violating my philosophy and would be keeping myself from creating more good. therefore, the bad outweighs the good, so it is wrong. some ppl would call this selfish. but if you sacrifice yourself for your family, you have left them alone. its not the decision that is wrong, but there is some wrongness in that situation. it is not right",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423763691
41491487,41503265,2015-02-12 18:01:55,">>41502832
>1000 ton ancient block at baalbek not amazing",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423764115
41491487,41503361,2015-02-12 18:05:05,">>41491487
>I was raised baptist
>Went to church, sunday school, etc. 
>Not super religious, but had some faith
>Freshman year of high school my mom fell and died of internal hemorrhaging.
>Right then is when I stopped believing
>My pastor told me that god had a plan and that I should be happy that she's in heaven now
>He said she didn't have to worry about money anymore and that she wouldn't have to worry about all of her health problems
>If there was a God, why did he make us poor in the first place? Mom could barely afford to feed us or pay our bills. 
>If there was a god, why was Mom born with diabetes? Why did she have violent seizures, cataracts, and failing kidneys?
>If there was a God, why did my mom, who fought disease and poverty her entire life, deserve to die laying in the floor in a pool of her own blood and vomit? 
If there is a god, I'd rather rot in hell than believe in his fucking cult.
As far as philosophies go, I've never really looked into all the different ones, because frankly I don't care. I don't really think about stuff like that, I just try to treat people right and live my life.",,noko,,,US,,1423764305
41491487,41503395,2015-02-12 18:05:59,">>41503265
it is amazing but there is no reason to invoke technology beyond it's time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423764359
41491487,41503649,2015-02-12 18:13:30,"My dad and all my aunts and uncles are Catholics. I wish I believed. I think religious people are generally happier, and they can handle death better because they know there is a heaven.
Atheists are the most annoying people in the world. They are worse than Jehova's Witnesses because they are EVERYWHERE and none of them ever shut up.
I hate atheists. I hate being an atheist. I am not euphoric at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423764810
41491487,41503938,2015-02-12 18:23:27,">>41491487
>Were you always an atheist or were you raised religious?
I've been christened when I was a baby, but parent's believe is half-assed and whole country was atheistic as much as possible (then suddenly diving into faith, but again half-assed).
>What did your path from religion to atheism look like?
I read a lot of books, and as it happened, I read a biblie (for children, though I read real biblle few years latter written in old russian - trade her for some toy soldiers after that) after children's books with Scandinavian, Greek, Indian, and some others myths and legends (not to mention a lot of Russian and German/European fairy tales), and there was too much similarities to take it seriously.
>What philosophies, if any, are you into? What philosophy do you find particularly interesting?
Whateverism. There is a God? Whatever, my brothers and sisters. There isn't? Whatever m8. It's the best of both worlds really.
>Atheists are from varying background and creeds. What do you consider right and wrong?
Atheism as a for of faith (believing in absence of believe), and aggressive atheists. Jesus Christ they are retarded as much as their religious counterparts. More like sect really, like Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientologists. Fuck them all.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1423765407
41491487,41505071,2015-02-12 19:02:15,">>41503395
howd it get from the quarry 1 mile away to up on top of the other blocks then?",,Anonymous,huge-megalithic-foundations-of-the-Temple-of-Jupiter-baalbek.jpg,tWYJBijzb9Kj9lF9ylpJvg==,CA,,1423767735
41491487,41505303,2015-02-12 19:11:06,">>41505071
I have no idea but I am not going to invoke highly advanced levitation devices when something far less complicated could have been the cause. Sometimes the answer escapes us and once we know it seems obvious but that doesn't mean they were being handed technology by inter dimensional beings",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423768266
41491487,41505335,2015-02-12 19:12:16,">>41505071
a man with a goal",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423768336
41491487,41505346,2015-02-12 19:12:41,">>41505071
Very carefully with a lot of work.
Your evidence doesn't merit such an extraordinary claim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423768361
41491487,41505563,2015-02-12 19:20:46,"My parents sent me to Sunday school. I never really got into it, the teacher hated me. Turns out my parents are atheists because my dad's best friend was molested by a priest when he was younger. They just wanted me out of the house on Sundays.
I'm pretty much an atheist now with an interest in animism. I like the idea that things are greater than the sum of their parts, but I don't believe in a literal soul.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423768846
41491487,41505908,2015-02-12 19:34:06,">>41505303
i didnt say they used levitation but they had to have more advanced technology than copper chisels and stone hammers",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423769646
41491487,41505933,2015-02-12 19:35:01,">>41505346
ok buddy moving a 1000 ton block 1 mile in the bronze age is such an ordinary claim",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423769701
41491487,41506090,2015-02-12 19:40:27,">>41505908
not necessarily.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423770027
41491487,41506361,2015-02-12 19:51:31,">>41506090
yeah well thats just like your opinion man",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423770691
41491487,41506576,2015-02-12 19:59:37,">>41506361
It doesn't make sense to make this sort of conjecture when there is no evidence revealing any indication of something extraordinary going on",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423771177
41491487,41506973,2015-02-12 20:16:24,">>41506576
you cant give me 1 example of conventional technology doing it because it would take the biggest crane in the modern world to do what they did
while youre off playing mission impossible why dont you give us the conventional explanation for oak island money pit?",,Anonymous,money-pit.gif,3C1FSKewoPOjpmCo7DNMIQ==,CA,,1423772184
41491487,41507127,2015-02-12 20:22:57,">>41506973
The claim is coming from you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423772577
41491487,41507156,2015-02-12 20:24:09,"I wore a fedora through most of my early twenties... till I realized atheism was a direct response to Christianity. The scientific revolution caused the field of science to want to separate from the influence of the church. So, like the branching of a genealogy tree, both atheism and Christianity share the same root. One being defined by the other, like the union of two opposites.",,Anonymous,cat lump.jpg,aS/XOPQgcX3JVvrZ+6Ui0A==,US,,1423772649
41491487,41507396,2015-02-12 20:33:04,">>41491487
>raised without any religiousness(no going to church or praying)
>become agnostic around age 16-17
>become edgy atheist from age 18-20
>grow out of fedora and become agnostic again at 21
>then the scales fall off my eyes as I become red pilled
>grow to support christianity due to its family values and decency
>honor the crusaders who have defended mother europa from the invading muslim hordes",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423773184
41491487,41507494,2015-02-12 20:37:13,">>41507127
im not qualified to make these claims but there is people who are so im quoting them",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423773433
41491487,41507560,2015-02-12 20:39:45,">>41491487
It's foolish to say there is or is not a god or god like being(s) out there.
The amount of the universe that we have explored is very small, the amount of physics laws we 100% understand is very small, and the amount of the universe we can observe in any scientifically usable sense is fairly small.
We don't know enough to say ""yes there is definitely a god or godlike being(s)"" OR ""no there isn't"".
As it has been for the last forever, this is purely a private matter between you, your soul, and whatever powers are out there, if any.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423773585
41491487,41508120,2015-02-12 21:02:55,">>41507127
nothing amazing about 96% perfectly spherical stones made from liquid rock back in 500 ad?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27B36rC9GfY",,Anonymous,Giant-Stone-Balls-Costa-Rica.jpg,k29bBWFyDk0f/hptwtjrQw==,CA,,1423774975
41491487,41508176,2015-02-12 21:04:53,">>41508120
When theres a will, theres a way.
all this technology just poofed and vanished from the face of the earth for no reason and no indicator of why.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423775093
41491487,41508316,2015-02-12 21:11:32,"Mother was a Buddhist in the neo-hippy sense and hated religion of all forms 
>her daddy was a devout Protestant, once claimed if he could that he would take his plane out over a football field full of degenerates (his actual words) and bomb the fuck out of them. 
And dad was IDK
But no I wasn't raised religious though I used to sort of believe in God for a few years.
I saw a few Hitchens videos and read up on it, now I just don't really give a fuck about religon or lack of religion.
I saw Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai and the bushido code is fucking cool as shit. Is it fedora to read the Hagakure and live by simple samurai-esque principles?
I think that oppression of freedom in all forms is the worst possible thing that can happen. It's so simple, so easy to do and supremely fucks over so many people. I'm talking hate speech laws and all that.
The greatest right is freedom of expression and association, I guess.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1423775492
41491487,41508392,2015-02-12 21:14:48,">>41508176
theyre called mysteries for a reason",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423775688
41491487,41508542,2015-02-12 21:21:21,">>41507156
>atheism was a direct response to Christianity
it's not",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423776081
41491487,41508573,2015-02-12 21:22:07,">>41507560
not believing in god =/= claiming there isn't one",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423776127
41491487,41508639,2015-02-12 21:24:44,">>41508392
right but a mystery isnt the same as it being aliens",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423776284
41491487,41508761,2015-02-12 21:29:03,">>41508639
i didnt say it was aliens and i dont know certainly isnt what happened",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423776543
41491487,41508998,2015-02-12 21:37:49,">>41491487
>ITT: symptoms of autism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423777069
41491487,41511293,2015-02-12 23:03:04,">>41508998
coward",,Anonymous,,,US,,1423782184
41491487,41512846,2015-02-13 00:02:24,">>41491487
Was actually raised religiously.
Can't really recall my transition from theist to atheist. 
I believe that everyone has the right to practice religion unless Its harmful to other people.
Although i percieve all religious material as fiction I often find myself interested in learning more about it. Not only for personal interest but also to be able to understand and respect those who choose to lead a religious life",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1423785744
41491487,41513346,2015-02-13 00:24:49,">>41493685
Hahaha Finnish people",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1423787089
41491487,41515396,2015-02-13 01:49:13,">>41491487
>Pakifag
>Raised sunni muslim but even as a young child, the religious bullshit sometimes didn't always make sense to me
>Went to perform pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia. 
>Interest in Islam Intensifed (with interest came skepticism, I wasn't going to believe those were the fucking scientific miracles of Islam without 'independent verification) 
> Found out it's shit
> Explore other religions a bit
> Kinda conclude there may or may not be a god. 
Don't have time to see philosophies, gotta get out of Pakistan (because can't live freely and may accidentally do blasphemy - once or twice among friends I did say which later, some of them said is blasphemous) 
Come to Australia on Skilled visa, Aussie Economy tanking, try to fit in volunteer 40~50 hrs to integrate and not become a slouch etc 
Avoid muslim community (no muslim friends), no Aussie friends yet. Some days /pol/ is the only place I talk to people",,Anonymous,Image (3).jpg,kGaE1KFIoFr1vW7CiE13Gw==,AU,,1423792153
41491487,41516513,2015-02-13 02:44:50,">>41492911
 
Same thing here. 
Both parents went to crazy religious schools. Both were unimpressed. They never made any mention of religion. 
Even sent me to a Christian school so I could experience the joys of Christianity. 
Didn't take much to convince me.",,Anonymous,,,ZA,,1423795490
46490066,46490066,2015-06-14 11:01:47,"Former Christian Edition
Anyone else think.about having an unbaptism ceremony? My bf and I are looking into it and seems fun.",Atheism General,Anonymous,1434123525949-1.jpg,3l3RWj8Ll9hQXibITgiWvQ==,US,,1434279707
46490066,46491806,2015-06-14 11:56:58,">>46490066
>unbaptism
How would this even happen?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1434283018
46490066,46491881,2015-06-14 11:59:10,>>46490066,,Anonymous,1410727992324.jpg,GVHGSYTbM9z5Y0W0M94Sfw==,US,,1434283150
46490066,46491938,2015-06-14 12:00:51,">>46490066
>umbaptism ceremony",,Anonymous,fedora.gif,5INHgvdJve5nkXlj6RVcMg==,GB,,1434283251
46490066,46491947,2015-06-14 12:01:07,">>46490066
god i hate women",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1434283267
46490066,46491979,2015-06-14 12:02:17,>Anyone else think.about having an unbaptism ceremony?,,Anonymous,1419258706008.jpg,9M+nfd8FyOsg5VNmGIbQ4Q==,SK,,1434283337
46490066,46491994,2015-06-14 12:02:46,">>46490066
>Anyone else think.about having an unbaptism ceremony?
So, in other words, you don't feel like being christian anymore and hence look for a replacement religion. Except it shouldn't be a religion, you're too enlightened for that.
Go stay a christian, or pick yourself any other religion. You obviously still want one. For all I care, be ""spiritual"". But stop supporting the fedoraist bullshit.",,Anonymous,1390078555720.png,iksOLPGeU89K2UGLwPjiNQ==,DE,,1434283366
46490066,46492040,2015-06-14 12:03:41,">>46490066
can't say I care enough to bother being unbaptised.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1434283421
46490066,46492054,2015-06-14 12:04:11,">unbaptism
Careful you don't cut your anus open on that edge kid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434283451
46490066,46492077,2015-06-14 12:04:55,">>46490066
>unbaptism ceremony
This is some next tier fedora tipping.",,Anonymous,1419644669355.gif,R6F6L8ShNoFRmKWp2b5XGw==,PL,,1434283495
46490066,46492080,2015-06-14 12:05:00,"What's funny about this is that I work as an exorcist, and have had SO many conversations with ""atheists"" who want a ""cleansing ceremony"" to rid their homes and businesses of ""spirits"".
Same shit in a different wrapper, m8",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1434283500
46490066,46492263,2015-06-14 12:10:44,"Whether or not OP is trolling, there seems to be a falling away with Christianity more than any other religion recently, which just so happened to be prophesied in the Bible, by the way.",,Anonymous,opisfag.png,WDjZjHHbd4+6GFGM4r+WuQ==,US,,1434283844
46490066,46492309,2015-06-14 12:12:45,Posting atheism pics,,Anonymous,i2hitchensfry.png,2+4pITmFsZy+hkrAnffLYg==,US,,1434283965
46490066,46492325,2015-06-14 12:13:07,>>46492309,,Anonymous,QpcmQ.jpg,D6cjQvkmrOaid5ju488isQ==,US,,1434283987
46490066,46492341,2015-06-14 12:13:33,>>46492325,,Anonymous,418999_357441890942043_186213348064899_1353414_81652658_n.jpg,wvqcgvfBLQKL8HgvHHLNUQ==,US,,1434284013
46490066,46492352,2015-06-14 12:13:58,>>46492341,,Anonymous,8FXZM.jpg,CRsaGdkc2lsWQOOR5Ka0sQ==,US,,1434284038
46490066,46492367,2015-06-14 12:14:22,>>46492352,,Anonymous,u9WXS.jpg,QbVmGhs2srHaYe+jaP810g==,US,,1434284062
46490066,46492382,2015-06-14 12:14:48,>>46492367,,Anonymous,QlahH.jpg,om5AEkvguRu80S6R0Mcjew==,US,,1434284088
46490066,46492392,2015-06-14 12:15:08,>>46492309,,Anonymous,meanwhile on reddit.png,1KGLhYXPXup/y9J8ilBO0w==,AU,,1434284108
46490066,46492395,2015-06-14 12:15:11,>>46492382,,Anonymous,p1G6s.png,IDsMFCL8uRoG8INhBYc9OA==,US,,1434284111
46490066,46492419,2015-06-14 12:15:43,">>46492341
>being born gay
>global warming
these ARE false, though",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1434284143
46490066,46492421,2015-06-14 12:15:43,">>46490066
Atheism is one thing, but trying to preach it like religion is fedora tier shit. Religion even if it is a lie is good to keep people under control. It is the law before law.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284143
46490066,46492425,2015-06-14 12:15:54,>>46492395,,Anonymous,l2cKk.jpg,EhPVOTGp2/ajMpcyzts1Og==,US,,1434284154
46490066,46492447,2015-06-14 12:16:29,,,Anonymous,1429757380845.jpg,kgVGcyf4BqPnlAndCZD4WQ==,US,,1434284189
46490066,46492448,2015-06-14 12:16:32,>>46492425,,Anonymous,OPOJu.jpg,w63Gz6K/cMsajptBaOTTyA==,US,,1434284192
46490066,46492463,2015-06-14 12:17:00,>>46492448,,Anonymous,tumblr_lt42qsBAz11r0go7xo1_500.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1434284220
46490066,46492480,2015-06-14 12:17:22,>>46492463,,Anonymous,dzhWX.png,U821JiBYuosNrc1adeNdVQ==,US,,1434284242
46490066,46492495,2015-06-14 12:17:38,"Unbaptism? Is that like an unbirthday?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdsZT7WKjW8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284258
46490066,46492509,2015-06-14 12:17:56,>>46492480,,Anonymous,LDSof.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1434284276
46490066,46492523,2015-06-14 12:18:16,">all this reddit
Get to the fucking immigration office so you can be deported back to the cripple site.",,Anonymous,1411503024481.png,VQYcFE5XV+WHmcwXoLVrnA==,US,,1434284296
46490066,46492527,2015-06-14 12:18:23,>>46492509,,Anonymous,Lo4Z2.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1434284303
46490066,46492530,2015-06-14 12:18:31,"The American way of treating atheism has always struck to me as odd. I mean, people there sort of _expect_ you to have a religion of some kind. I don't really care about religion but I don't want to act like some edgy teen insulting religious people. Atheism isn't a political statement for me...",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1434284311
46490066,46492534,2015-06-14 12:18:38,">>46491806
>Be Christian
>Hear about all of the other Christian boys being molested by priests
>Become alter boy so my priest can molest me
>Go to Church every Sunday for two years
>mfw my priest never molests me
>Become reactionary faggot
>Try to be vegan but love swallowing cum too much
>Dye my hair purple
>Join the Boy Scouts
>Get kicked out because I offer other boys rim jobs
>Get involved with Satanists
>Pray to Satan for cock
>Satan doesn't give me cock 
>Realize all religion is a sham
>Decide to get unbaptized
>Grab my bondage rope
>Hang myself upside down from a tree branch above the Arkansas River
>Pull up my pants
>My boyfriend forces two Rhesus monkeys to have gay sex on the river bank
>Begin reciting the Bible backwards
>Piss all over myself
>Some of it gets into my mouth
>My piss flows into the Arkansas River
>I feel the religious indoctrination floweth out of me
>Go to a preschool and streak down the hallway to celebrate",,Anonymous,me.png,9o8bfXjsNo65r0lAvH3JUQ==,US,,1434284318
46490066,46492544,2015-06-14 12:18:49,>>46492527,,Anonymous,nsCwe.jpg,VHkdaWOpjT02KlF5b8v9EA==,US,,1434284329
46490066,46492570,2015-06-14 12:19:42,">>46490066
i was unbaptised with pigs blood at a watain show.
shit was cash",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284382
46490066,46492573,2015-06-14 12:19:47,>>46492544,,Anonymous,Creationistlogic0.jpg,3zgoQXOtN81RQGjQDZGvpw==,US,,1434284387
46490066,46492585,2015-06-14 12:20:21,>>46492573,,Anonymous,Christian+denominations+not+oc+for+what+it+s+worth+i+am_c97ed6_4591347.png,Gqrt12j0osMwud4ZfcbB1Q==,US,,1434284421
46490066,46492593,2015-06-14 12:20:41,">>46492425
Pics like these make me realize atheists are extremely childish people who think only in materialistic terms",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284441
46490066,46492596,2015-06-14 12:20:49,>>46492585,,Anonymous,1433741927349.jpg,lM+eWhdX1eeAB1q3qnIyFg==,US,,1434284449
46490066,46492606,2015-06-14 12:20:57,">>46492463
>The purpose of prayer is to make God do what we want
This is what atheists actually believe.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1434284457
46490066,46492626,2015-06-14 12:21:36,">>46492480
>you don't need to believe in Christ to celebrate Christmas and get a day off from work
Translation: ""We want the benefits of living in a religious society, but none of the responsibilities!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284496
46490066,46492629,2015-06-14 12:21:40,">>46492593
The comic is an argument against Pascal's wager, it is meant to be absurd",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284500
46490066,46492638,2015-06-14 12:21:53,">>46492593
>thinking in metaphysical terms is somehow adultlike",,Anonymous,1374372096255.jpg,QXzuNcoyz7JNnX3J+0cMvw==,US,,1434284513
46490066,46492639,2015-06-14 12:22:02,">>46492523
>cripple site
>reddit
Pretty sure those are two different websites
>>46492530
Yes, everything about America is odd if you aren't an American. That is what being a foreigner is like.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284522
46490066,46492647,2015-06-14 12:22:14,">>46492626
>what are secular holidays 
Kek",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284534
46490066,46492724,2015-06-14 12:24:36,">>46492626
We're the most religious country in the Western world and yet we have less vacation time than any other country on the planet. Let that sink in",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284676
46490066,46492733,2015-06-14 12:24:50,">>46492639
All reddit refugees are to be deported to the cripples imageboard. I don't give a fuck if their fathate clubhouse got shut down, they aren't welcome here. If we don't round them up now soon our fat hate threads will be overflowing with Reddit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284690
46490066,46492743,2015-06-14 12:25:09,">>46492585
And these people are supposed to be guided by the Holy Spirit. God doesn't guide people in multiple directions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284709
46490066,46492767,2015-06-14 12:25:58,"Daily reminder that Christians worship the Jewish god of vengeance
> In the oldest biblical literature he is a typical ancient Near Eastern ""divine warrior"" who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies;[5]",,Anonymous,1431651883111s.jpg,pw9gSMVb3TgQ7KKOwad+Mw==,US,,1434284758
46490066,46492780,2015-06-14 12:26:20,">>46492606
you ever prayed for a sick person?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434284780
46490066,46492796,2015-06-14 12:27:04,,,Anonymous,unbaptism ceremony.gif,PI0EsTdnzy251t6+upGDug==,AU,,1434284824
46490066,46492847,2015-06-14 12:28:33,">>46492767
>mfw Christianity is a passive aggressive Jewish revenge plot",,Anonymous,nietzsche.jpg,c3unZVkuHxsflx/40h3EMA==,US,,1434284913
46490066,46492866,2015-06-14 12:29:02,">>46492606
Did my image cause you to relinquish your emotional well-being?",,Anonymous,kmu3z.png,YwFNHgSoBkJM0+fR/8L+lQ==,US,,1434284942
46490066,46492940,2015-06-14 12:31:17,">>46490066
>unbaptism ceremony
Will it involve eating a banana to symbolize your acceptance of evolutionary theory?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1434285077
46490066,46492992,2015-06-14 12:32:56,">>46492940
>implying bananas don't prove God's existence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285176
46490066,46493084,2015-06-14 12:35:07,">>46492992
Wut?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1434285307
46490066,46493097,2015-06-14 12:35:19,">>46492847
>mfw Judaism is a guilt trip of the followers of Akhenaten for killing Moses",,Anonymous,Freud.jpg,3J47J1r7AuF+Nd+usFpAWQ==,US,,1434285319
46490066,46493123,2015-06-14 12:36:17,">>46493084
Watch 
https://youtu.be/2z-OLG0KyR4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285377
46490066,46493203,2015-06-14 12:39:03,">>46493123
Bananas were artificially selected by people. They were bred to be bigger, sweeter, have less seeds and the like. You have to be an idiot of idiots to believe this guy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285543
46490066,46493235,2015-06-14 12:40:02,">>46493123
This is what wild bananas look like",,Anonymous,plantanes.jpg,P5Fi/sInVOE0xHjnlDCvSg==,US,,1434285602
46490066,46493240,2015-06-14 12:40:10,">>46492309
These images are hilarious.
Do folks believe them? >>46492544 this one feels like point from a ""bad guy"" in a chick tract.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285610
46490066,46493282,2015-06-14 12:41:34,">>46492263
Christianity was, by far, the largest religion in the western world. Religion as a whole is falling away in the West, so Christianity would undoubtedly be taking the largest hit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285694
46490066,46493301,2015-06-14 12:41:58,">>46490066
no because only edgelords waste their time doing stupid shit like that. Every productive person on the planet does what youre supposed to do and just ignores religion and its zealots. Unless theyre using them for political leverage.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285718
46490066,46493388,2015-06-14 12:44:19,">>46493240
I don't feel strongly about that one. Both are fictional characters to me. The narrative might resonate with someone here though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285859
46490066,46493392,2015-06-14 12:44:27,">>46491947
Op here I am a man.My BF, now fiance,just proposed. Can't wait to txt my parents and grandparents when they get out of church",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434285867
46490066,46493471,2015-06-14 12:46:40,">>46493392
>just proposed to
>yet somehow still just shit posting 
Your bait is of lowest quality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434286000
46490066,46493801,2015-06-14 12:55:52,"Atheism is just materialistic zealotry, born from the occultism of Freud and used to con people into wage slavery.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1434286552
46490066,46493908,2015-06-14 12:59:30,">>46493392
Awesome OP! I'm happy for you. I've got a date with a qt twink tomorrow night, I'm looking forward to it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1434286770
48082256,48082256,2015-07-15 22:25:28,ITT we discuss secular politics,Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,lnS1il2jiK2KlDaDd9zw4w==,US,,1436999128
48082256,48082274,2015-07-15 22:25:55,itt faggots,,Anonymous,,,US,,1436999155
48082256,48082357,2015-07-15 22:27:51,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxUskbSn8jo,,Anonymous,,,US,,1436999271
48082256,48082454,2015-07-15 22:30:09,">>48082256
So I actually went through. here's a pony-free version, since you guys asked.",,Anonymous,Fedora-chan2.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,BR,,1436999409
48082256,48082484,2015-07-15 22:31:00,"Teen Atheist Facing Three Years in Prison for “Wounding Religious Feelings” Online
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/06/20/teen-atheist-facing-three-years-in-prison-for-wounding-religious-feelings-online/",,Anonymous,goofy_papers.png,RZxpUdZKtOcFnwxAnknYow==,US,,1436999460
48082256,48082545,2015-07-15 22:32:26,">>48082454
Oh, thanks man. Looks way better :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1436999546
48082256,48082549,2015-07-15 22:32:29,">>48082256
You forgot the Mountain dew and her ears should be gauges.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1436999549
48082256,48082600,2015-07-15 22:33:22,">>48082549
She's cute just the way she is :3",,Anonymous,,,US,,1436999602
48082256,48082605,2015-07-15 22:33:27,">>48082357
It's surprising to see how few people actually browse /tv/. If this was tumblr the video would have probably been in the 100k's by now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1436999607
48082256,48082798,2015-07-15 22:39:03,Irreligious master race,,Anonymous,Yp9zoKa.png,QL+oiVB+VEz4FZjoy2/xAw==,US,,1436999943
48082256,48082807,2015-07-15 22:39:16,">>48082454
Thanks.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1436999956
48082256,48082881,2015-07-15 22:41:00,">>48082798
Got any maps of violent crime rates? 
I'm pretty sure that Louisiana is still the church and murder capital of the country, but I haven't bothered looking up anything recent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437000060
48082256,48083022,2015-07-15 22:44:08,">>48082357
>tfw I went to Penn and Teller on broadway on the 8th and they didn't show up around there after the show
Oh man I wish I could have convicted Penn to make a meme video",,Anonymous,1436710374275.jpg,H8oRv3tl04T0rrOJCn3aQg==,US,,1437000248
48082256,48083032,2015-07-15 22:44:25,">>48082454
Requesting more poses",,Anonymous,Bill-Hader-Eating-Popcorn-Smiling-SNL.gif,xrUI/MGcmsO94+MmpRXrwg==,US,,1437000265
48082256,48083108,2015-07-15 22:45:57,>>48082881,,Anonymous,US-Murder-Rtae-map.jpg,HrFkgYhGqx/WGuBbAxF+NA==,US,,1437000357
48082256,48083177,2015-07-15 22:47:39,">>48083108
>>48082881",,Anonymous,ztx77iknqkk8tksbouojiw.png,H0MA9XqC7EJWIe5jbNyr9Q==,US,,1437000459
48082256,48083277,2015-07-15 22:50:01,"Retired priest: ‘Hell’ was invented by the church to control people with fear
http://deadstate.org/retired-priest-hell-was-invented-by-the-church-to-control-people-with-fear/
Christian elite to be working with the Jews",,Anonymous,goofy.jpg,Q3HpkthDnzx7WbP9aXbSCA==,US,,1437000601
48082256,48083424,2015-07-15 22:53:41,">>48083108
>>48083177
Thanks, unsurprised to see my state is still the most shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437000821
48082256,48083738,2015-07-15 23:00:47,Secular politics worked well for Russia eh?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437001247
48082256,48083814,2015-07-15 23:02:23,">>48083738
>communist dictatorship
>think it is bad because it is secular
I know you're trolling, but whatevs",,Anonymous,1433206001711.png,2+4pITmFsZy+hkrAnffLYg==,US,,1437001343
48082256,48083872,2015-07-15 23:03:31,"Why did you link me to this autistic shit m8, I swear I didn't roll Satan trips on purpose.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437001411
48082256,48083875,2015-07-15 23:03:33,">>48083108
>>48083177
based utah acting the switzerland to secularism's gun control fallacies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437001413
48082256,48083889,2015-07-15 23:03:54,">>48083032
Might do some more eventually, but I've drawn enough for today.
I actually hope someone else picks this up and do some more.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437001434
48082256,48083938,2015-07-15 23:04:57,">>48083889
Okay, thanks for your contribution :D
Damn I wish I could draw",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437001497
48082256,48084139,2015-07-15 23:10:17,"Watch a Catholic priest agree with Dawkins on everything. 
https://youtu.be/3L15e2sNZsU",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437001817
48082256,48084295,2015-07-15 23:14:36,">>48084139
what in the fuck",,Anonymous,mufasa.jpg,JRJGw7AIfmt+SqVfYikgAg==,US,,1437002076
48082256,48084422,2015-07-15 23:17:33,">>48084139
Heh, wonder what wolfy would think of this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437002253
48082256,48084441,2015-07-15 23:17:49,">>48083108
>>48083177
>Niggers",,Anonymous,map_nhblack.gif,xYcYBxWgKsHOGv+mVGIXtg==,US,,1437002269
48082256,48084480,2015-07-15 23:18:52,,,Anonymous,1405544614828.jpg,+XB03KSKgdxa4eGJ1gmU1w==,US,,1437002332
48082256,48084535,2015-07-15 23:20:22,,,Anonymous,Screenshot_12.png,H1/U3Cg87M68gLPMMx9cnQ==,US,,1437002422
48082256,48084585,2015-07-15 23:21:58,Goodnight normal thread' gonna miss you,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437002518
48082256,48084642,2015-07-15 23:23:36,,,Anonymous,timthumb.php.jpg,9zSyJOsEE1u88mPszXSsvg==,US,,1437002616
48082256,48084649,2015-07-15 23:23:51,">>48084441
Black people are more religious",,Anonymous,rpoafscwjeqfzencnbivwg.gif,hdHjsRSaZJ8yGKkXRuE1Jg==,US,,1437002631
48082256,48084654,2015-07-15 23:23:55,,,Anonymous,billboard-imagine_no_religion_400w.jpg,0YSC5jqEfw4N5WmgVmgE4A==,US,,1437002635
48082256,48084684,2015-07-15 23:24:45,">>48084642
If you need religion to be a good person, then you're not a good person.",,Anonymous,1433805731892.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1437002685
48082256,48084773,2015-07-15 23:27:13,">>48084684
Moralist values were born from religious thought. And most of the things claimed as moral are originally brought from religions.
also
>santa
>religion
If you have to call it that to prove a point there is no ground for an argument.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437002833
48082256,48084777,2015-07-15 23:27:16,">>48084642
>atheism = amorality
yep since there's no ancient book to tell me whats right and wrong I just go around killing and raping cause why the fuck not? I wish I could use my internal sense of morality to guide me but because it isn't dictated to me by a god it means nothing. I wish it weren't so.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437002836
48082256,48084791,2015-07-15 23:27:39,"Western atheist utopia:
>abortions en masse
>fag marriage
>leftist thought police
>taxation of churches (how secular lol)
>cloning
>eugenics
>wearing a cross in public is against the freedom 'from' religion
>historical revisionism
>no religious media because it's 'indoctrination'
>church isn't allowed to demand from it's priests to be christian because it's against equality in the workforce
>no cohesion in society (how dare you bother me in my freedom just because we are neighbours by saying 'good morning')
>lowest birthrates resulting in the ultimate disappearance of the nation
No thanks.",,Anonymous,c2d.jpg,UXD36lyclGXpEJhNsUJ8Lw==,CH,,1437002859
48082256,48084875,2015-07-15 23:29:59,">>48084773
Religions adopt various ethics and morals, they don't own them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437002999
48082256,48084938,2015-07-15 23:31:21,">>48084791
>cloning
D- 
apply yourself",,Anonymous,1426145700357.jpg,mzpxBL4P+SPgCCccZxcucQ==,US,,1437003081
48082256,48084985,2015-07-15 23:32:22,">>48082454
Fedora-Chan is cute and sex. I will commence drawing lewds now.",,Anonymous,1429216152869.jpg,IvCEVNtqjomMYVTTOdKZSA==,US,,1437003142
48082256,48085044,2015-07-15 23:33:50,">>48084642
>This is provably coming from a person who believes that the holy book they worship must be 100% accurate or otherwise they will magically become a rampaging rapist and murderer.
>This person thinks we have a moral deficiency. 
Anyone who needs to be frightened and cajoled into being moral is a sociopath, for most sane humans some level of morality comes naturally.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003230
48082256,48085055,2015-07-15 23:34:05,">>48084791
is this what religious people actually believe? 
>no one should wear a cross necklace
>no one should say good morning to each other
you're just pulling this out of your anus aren't you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003245
48082256,48085061,2015-07-15 23:34:18,">>48084985
Please fuck yes",,Anonymous,vPPcaRX.jpg,ZQv9EVYpin0dOgstZJtiwA==,US,,1437003258
48082256,48085063,2015-07-15 23:34:22,">>48084791
Christian Society
>Eugenics being used to build a better society
>Traditional nuclear family
>Police that combat crime and protect rights
>People are free to believe without paying to the state
>Morality put upon science to defend the rights of nature
>People spouting heresy in public squires is tolerated, but condemned.
>History is written by the victors
>Church has legal protection preventing infringements of its rights.
>Generally more friendly society (more common bonds)
>High birthrates thanks to promotion and idealization of the functioning family.
Yes please",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003262
48082256,48085122,2015-07-15 23:35:57,">>48084985
Pls no.",,Anonymous,1417232153919.jpg,nrt3QF4XmXXHu1eH/kWHBw==,US,,1437003357
48082256,48085158,2015-07-15 23:37:14,">>48085063
>Morality put upon science to defend the rights of nature
what the fuck are you even trying to say with this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003434
48082256,48085238,2015-07-15 23:39:15,">>48085158
No whoring out mother nature to clone thousands of the genetically same cow, or creating genetically altering materials to be injected into cows.
 But instead to have work towards better practices of selective breeding to produce better cows.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003555
48082256,48085275,2015-07-15 23:39:57,">>48085063
Nigeria looks like a Christian paradise, they even execute people for being gay there.
Why haven't you moved there yet? Or to Venezuela with an 88% Christian population?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003597
48082256,48085470,2015-07-15 23:44:52,">>48085238
>No whoring out mother nature to clone thousands of the genetically same cow, or creating genetically altering materials to be injected into cows.
So what you're saying is that if we had the possibility to close dinosaurs you would prevent that?
yeah no,",,Anonymous,1355367977826.gif,V8GIsiCQ0f+/BSArilgvoQ==,US,,1437003892
48082256,48085537,2015-07-15 23:46:27,">>48084791
>Thought police
This is pretty funny considering religious people often have doctrines in their holy book advising they kill, drive off, or convert anyone who doesn't think like them. 
>Implying churches should be exempt from contributing monetarily to society like everyone else. 
>Wearing a cross would be outlawed. 
Yeah like how a couple decades ago christfags encouraged profiling based on clothing because rock music hurt their feels? 
>Historical revisionism.
Like how far right Christians in Louisiana and texas are still to this day trying to paint the US as a nation founded on Christianity even though the founders were chiefly deist, and this huge unconstitutional endorsement of Christianity in the US was only recent historically, as a way to get people to band together against communism? Or how they still try and get creationism taught as science even though it has been ruled multiple times to be unscientific in courts of law? 
>No religious media.
Why would that ever be a thing?
>Christian churches wouldn't be allowed to have Christian priests/pastors. 
Doesn't even make sense. 
>Somehow religion is impossibly banned so society's ""moral fiber"" falls apart. 
Is any of this at all even loosely grounded in reality? 
So because some of us really don't like Christians (In the context of the US, where Christianity is the majority religion) trying to push their religion into public schools (unconstitutional) so they can indoctrinate our kids against our will, push zealously religious representitives into office who will push a religious agenda in government (unconstitutional), spread lies about atheists to the point where despite having one of the lowest crime rates we're even less trusted than criminals, argue against scientific facts because it hurts their feels, legislate peoples behavior for the same reason, and rewrite history so that this once secular country is now seen as a Christian circlejerk, this makes us the bad guy?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437003987
48082256,48085563,2015-07-15 23:47:03,">>48085470
Shit nigger. You
>imply
to much.
De-extinction is something totally different.
Who wouldn't want Jurassic Park back.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004023
48082256,48085610,2015-07-15 23:48:09,">>48085563
>Who wouldn't want Jurassic Park back
Who wouldn't want extremely high-quality and efficient food sources by means of modern science?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004089
48082256,48085852,2015-07-15 23:54:05,">>48085537
>>Thought police
>This is pretty funny considering religious people often have doctrines in their holy book advising they kill, drive off, or convert anyone who doesn't think like them. 
Mormons
>>Implying churches should be exempt from contributing monetarily to society like everyone else. 
>Implying churches produce anything negative predominantly and shouldn't be taxed for that
 >>Wearing a cross would be outlawed. 
>Yeah like how a couple decades ago christfags encouraged profiling based on clothing because rock music hurt their feels? 
[citation needed]
>>Historical revisionism.
>Like how far right Christians in Louisiana and texas are still to this day trying to paint the US as a nation founded on Christianity even though the founders were chiefly deist, and this huge unconstitutional endorsement of Christianity in the US was only recent historically, as a way to get people to band together against communism? Or how they still try and get creationism taught as science even though it has been ruled multiple times to be unscientific in courts of law? 
>Atheist defending communism
How typical
>>No religious media.
>Why would that ever be a thing?
Freedom of speech
>>Christian churches wouldn't be allowed to have Christian priests/pastors. 
>Doesn't even make sense.
Church forced to have a person not of its church there to preform mandated gay marriages
>>Somehow religion is impossibly banned so society's ""moral fiber"" falls apart. 
>Is any of this at all even loosely grounded in reality? 
see>>48084535
>>48084642
>>48084654
>>48084773",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004445
48082256,48085916,2015-07-15 23:55:37,">>48084773
>Moralist values were born from religious thought. And most of the things claimed as moral are originally brought from religions.
Prove it. 
I disagree. Most putatively religious values are merely pragmatic social encouragements or prohibitions, with a thick layer of moralizing and appeal to divinity slathered on top. 
Because taboos and ostensible virtues are more compelling than ""You should/shouldn't do this because it's good/bad for society.""
A spiritual angle makes people less willing to break from cultural/religious norms, and makes it easier to shun, control, exile or persecute people who do. 
That doesn't mean that morality can't exist independently of religious moralizing, or that people wouldn't hold moral values without religion; just that those ideals--or some of them, at least--become less soluble due to religious dogma.
On the one hand, this can be healthy; but on the other hand, it can be a detriment to a civilization's progress if clung to too tightly.
Circumstances change, and the previous circumstances which warranted some moral prohibition or whatever, cease to exist. 
I find it funny when pedantic dipshits (usually someone in middle-managements) gives an employee a lecture about how ""the rules exist for a reason"".
That's right, they do. The rules exist because, 90% of the time, or whatever, it's optimal to follow the rules. But when the rules because a hindrance to your achieving the goal for which the rules exist in the first place, it becomes necessary to bend/break and possibly revise the rules. 
Yes, the rules DO exist for a reason; they are not an end unto themselves. 
Sorry, I got off topic a bit.",,Anonymous,1435129944599.jpg,V7D3I93779Hc+e5lokWiKg==,US,,1437004537
48082256,48085927,2015-07-15 23:55:53,">>48085238
No one is trying to clone a thousand copies of a cow. Cloning isn't like the movies where you put the cows genes in a machine and it spits out x number of cows. Cloning requires an existing mother to birth the clone so it's only as fast as the natural birthing process. There would be no economic advantage to having the same exact cow everywhere. And as for altering cow genes using some injectable substance, I don't think we're there yet. But even if we were, why is changing a cows genes using an injection wrong and changing its genes with selective breeding ok?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004553
48082256,48085930,2015-07-15 23:55:57,">>48085610
Because most of these ""means"" are ill tested and immoral, and is done artificially as a means that it creates an unsustainable bubble in the food supply that if it should pop it would create mass starvation.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004557
48082256,48085947,2015-07-15 23:56:23,>>48082256,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004583
48082256,48086013,2015-07-15 23:58:17,">>48085930
>ill tested
Well banning it won't allow for further testing.
>immoral
How so?
>unsustainable
How so?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004697
48082256,48086077,2015-07-15 23:59:59,">>48085852
I've honestly not had much experience with Mormons. 
>Implying I'm defending gommunism. 
It is simply a historical fact, we were against the communists, we needed something to bring everyone together. Since Christianity was relatively common, it just made sense to take it to the enth degree. 
Why would a theoretical atheist majority country be afraid of freedom of speech? 
Churches aren't government entities, and they DEFINATELY wouldn't be government entities if the US was mostly atheist, (speaking for myself) I'd want religion and government completely separate. 
>Three meme images and an unsubstantiated claim that morality is derived from religion. 
What am I supposed to see?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004799
48082256,48086189,2015-07-16 00:03:08,">>48084654
>one atheist was bad therefore all atheists are bad
rock solid argument",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437004988
48082256,48086276,2015-07-16 00:05:37,">>48085537
I forgot to mention that priests are imprisoned for speaking out against homosexuality.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437005137
48082256,48086286,2015-07-16 00:06:08,">>48086189
Look, I can do it too",,Anonymous,hitler_christ.jpg,QQF9kJCWMjyKa0hF04WGUQ==,US,,1437005168
48082256,48086395,2015-07-16 00:09:08,">>48086276
That doesn't sound like any kind of utopia. 
People can talk shit however much they want, no skin off my back. 
This imaginary atheist utopia sounds more like a theocracy to me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437005348
48082256,48086468,2015-07-16 00:10:59,">>48085122
It is too late. It was always too late.",,Anonymous,Fedora_Chan_Faggotry.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437005459
48082256,48086505,2015-07-16 00:12:21,">>48086468
>lewds already. 
Hot damn, its been what two days since the character was pitched?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437005541
48082256,48086560,2015-07-16 00:13:53,">>48086505
I pitched the idea yesterday.
>>48086468
It is of highest craftsmanship",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437005633
48082256,48086643,2015-07-16 00:15:54,">>48086505
Someone's had to do it. We need more.",,Anonymous,1435931285844.jpg,WyjxQNzXvWnbqva2A+A9dw==,US,,1437005754
48082256,48086679,2015-07-16 00:16:56,">>48086468
>>48084985
>>48082454
Athy would be a buttslut for sure.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437005816
48082256,48086722,2015-07-16 00:18:01,">>48086468
The consequences will never be the same.",,Anonymous,1434939590870.jpg,0cli98BySush0CPUINeedQ==,US,,1437005881
48082256,48086728,2015-07-16 00:18:08,">>48086679
>>48086468
And, of course, the katana sheath or hilt would probably be used as a dildo.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437005888
48082256,48086781,2015-07-16 00:19:22,">>48086728
>>48086679
>>48086643
Some of the best ideas proposed on /pol/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437005962
48082256,48086785,2015-07-16 00:19:26,Is there sexual tension between Fedora-chan and Christ-chan?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437005966
48082256,48086868,2015-07-16 00:21:31,">>48086643
>>48086679
>>48086728
>>48086785
Best happening today.",,Anonymous,DEErTat[1].gif,4hOfUtbdJT6tcYSWWiDAgA==,US,,1437006091
48082256,48086913,2015-07-16 00:22:34,">>48086785
Probably. Fedora-chan would be an edgy bisexual who deep down wants to bed Christ-chan but cannot bring herself to admit her feelings to a religionist. Christ-chan would be oblivious to her feelings due to their sinful nature.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437006154
48082256,48087037,2015-07-16 00:26:01,">>48086785
>Chris-chan makes homemade Doritos for Athiest-chan
>Atheist-chan is about to take a bite out of one
>Chris-chan thinks she sees the image of the Lord on the chip but Atheist-chan bites off Jesus' head
>Chris-chan is crying and Atheist-chan says 'These homemade Doritos are pretty hot', possibly implying that her tongue is being burned because that Dorito was holy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437006361
48082256,48087264,2015-07-16 00:31:27,">>48086468
I can fap to this. Today is a day of days",,Anonymous,1338172131569.jpg,LD2L0Vdj4aW3dF23l8nvQA==,US,,1437006687
48082256,48087440,2015-07-16 00:36:15,">>48086781
We need to start making more /pol/ drawthreads to serve that purpose and have more friendly banters of various characters depicting political ideologies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437006975
48082256,48087669,2015-07-16 00:41:53,">>48087440
Agreed. Want to make one later?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437007313
48082256,48087765,2015-07-16 00:44:15,">>48087440
Will it include /pol/-tan teaching a classroom full of them?",,Anonymous,1422252221692.jpg,GIAX0ZnRbHnexi8twBjj3A==,US,,1437007455
48082256,48087916,2015-07-16 00:48:01,">>48087765
I think /ic/-tan would be better suited",,Anonymous,Broken record.jpg,dxdaLXIn58Cf9xbaW/zFPg==,US,,1437007681
48082256,48088044,2015-07-16 00:51:04,">>48087916
/ic/-tan is the best.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437007864
48082256,48088269,2015-07-16 00:57:24,">>48087669
Yeah lets keep making them tomorrow.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437008244
48082256,48088664,2015-07-16 01:07:56,">>48086468
>>48082454
I approve of this",,Anonymous,10354175_10152574901958353_8752623146861663071_n.jpg,tNfI++52J7CMjbAF0J2fhA==,US,,1437008876
48082256,48088798,2015-07-16 01:11:53,more lewds please.,,Anonymous,,,RS,,1437009113
48082256,48088971,2015-07-16 01:17:00,">>48088798
more of both pls",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437009420
48082256,48089104,2015-07-16 01:21:13,">>48084422
Checked in and saw this post. Thought I'd give my thoughts and watch it all, since you were curious. 
First off, the poster of the video was wrong. There is no agreeing on everything. They go back and forth on a few topics and do often disagree and sometimes Coyne corrects (citing JP2's full comment).
Overall, I don't see the complaint. The poster is laughing about it but the topics they seem to go over are pretty basic and nothing really new to Catholicism. It's only jarring if you're used to Protestant America. My main issue is that he's absolutely poor at discussing the faith's reasoning and explanation and often resorts to ""This is my faith"" too much when there is explanation. I highly doubt Coyne gets into philosophy.
As a thomist, personally, and having most Catholic theologians be taught some form of the Scholastic/Classical form of God (Coyne heavily hints at this when saying ""God is the source of all being"" and continuously making the universe). I would fully agree with Coyne and say Coyne is absolutely right to say that Intelligent Design is shit. When Dawkins inquires more about the details of God, it's obvious he is getting into something out of his realm of study. This is worse when he can't explain miracles.
Dawkins isn't grasping the position of God that's being explained to him when he's thinking the universe runs on its own. He's not grasping that non-competitive God that the scholastic/classical tradition holds. It's evident Dawkins has no grasp of the Catholic theology, as also shown when he explains the position of himself to God and Dawkins finds it fascinating.
Part 1.",,WOLFSHIEM,1436985507458.png,FxdHem+SeHifAI+yfvuzgA==,US,,1437009673
48082256,48089146,2015-07-16 01:22:17,">>48089104
Much of early medieval/renaissance science didn't appeal to God as the final answer to scientific questions so the mention of the God of the Gaps is obvious.
Coyne's most iffy statement is the rejection of souls but what he describes is rejecting Substance Dualism, which the church does actually refute. It can be implied that he supports hylomorphism somewhat but his idea that there was something without a soul from which it was formed is against hylomorphism and shows that he really just doesn't grasp the notion of a soul, which he willingly admits.
And while I do find it annoying for him, I am happy that Coyne would freely admit his logical failings when dealing with upbringing.
Overall it's alright.
>Coyne and Dawkins agree on a lot
>Coyne doesn't grasp philosophy well
>Dawkins doesn't grasp Catholic theology well
>Coyne's faith was - originally - culturally applied.
Pretty boring.",,WOLFSHIEM,GEAR THIEF NO 9.png,nfCvDx+2N/zQfd4bbeMIEQ==,US,,1437009737
48082256,48089349,2015-07-16 01:28:14,">>48089104
>This is worse when he can't explain miracles.
Can you?
> I highly doubt Coyne gets into philosophy.
He has a degree in mathematics and his licentiate in philosophy from Fordham University, and was the former director of the Vatican Observatory. 
But yeah, a 4chan philosophy hobbyist is probably smarter than him on the subject.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437010094
48082256,48089595,2015-07-16 01:35:29,"Has anyone here read the Nietzsche?
The Anti-christ is the most damning criticism of Christianity I have ever read. Nietzsche breaks apart the religion at the most fundamental religion exposing it's entire ethics/philosophical system and giving what I think is the most explanation for the origins of both Judaism and Christianity.
Once you read it you also start to see that Marxism/Liberlism follows the same value system just without any of the mystical beliefs.",,Anonymous,1.png,grn8zZMojYZA3Nf6o0iZ8g==,US,,1437010529
48082256,48089742,2015-07-16 01:40:00,"Interesting question. What is your favorite God/religion.
I've always thought Hindus had by far the most interesting designs and the best art. Can't get cooler than a blue skinned gender changing God riding on an athropmorphic eagle while being all enlightened and shit. He/she can use his/her magic konchshell to hear anything going on anywhere in the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437010800
48082256,48089766,2015-07-16 01:40:36,">>48089595
I read a fair amount of Nietzsche last year. Feels good man. Nietzsche is probably the best philosopher to live in the past few hundred years. I love his system of transvaluation, replacing morals with the following of efficiency. And he manages to be one of the few atheists who maintain a positive message, about how the ubermensch will come out of humanity and rise above, a beautiful prediction.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437010836
48082256,48089805,2015-07-16 01:41:29,">>48089349
No need to be insulting, I'm giving my initial reaction.
>Can you?
No, between working on the Pastebins and my own personal things I'm still reading into the explanation of God working through things non-competitively. I grasp the basics of the sustaining God and how he creates while being non-competitive to nature but I do not grasp God working through things yet. I'm still reading into their explanation.
>He has a degree in mathematics and his licentiate in philosophy from Fordham University, and was the former director of the Vatican Observatory. 
Well the observatory part is obvious - that's what he's known for - but that's also irrelevant. My bad on the philosophy bit though. Given how he reacts to philosophical discussion, saying he wouldn't be able to keep up with a discussion on the soul, I assume he wasn't that well trained. The soul, as Catholic Theology holds it, is akin to the Aristotlean/Scholastic concept of Form. This is in direct contrast to Substance Dualism which came about during the Enlightenment period where the soul is some form of vague ""non-physical substance"".
>>48089595
Max Scheler has a high quality critique of Nietzsche on Christianity and I would recommend you read that before trying to discuss Nietzsche's criticism.",,WOLFSHIEM,1392928178544.jpg,OrxlzrhhOzVqa+ZPtKN+uw==,US,,1437010889
48082256,48089857,2015-07-16 01:43:10,">>48089742
Shit forgot pic",,Anonymous,Lord Vishnu.jpg,AlE5cQ3UrJqYwT+dbvpIAg==,US,,1437010990
48082256,48089888,2015-07-16 01:44:09,>>48082256,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437011049
48082256,48090031,2015-07-16 01:48:29,">>48089805
>No
Yet you blindly believe that they happened, without scientific evidence. And you assert your god did them, who you can't even explain how exists while being immaterial yet you are completely convinced that his existence is the only logical conclusion someone could make.
At this point you're just too stubborn to be intellectually honest with yourself. You've combined your identity with your beliefs. Any attack on your beliefs is an attack on you, so you cannot be wrong ever.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437011309
48082256,48090072,2015-07-16 01:49:34,">>48084654
>Stalin
>Atheist
Oy wey
>When Ioseb was sixteen, he received a scholarship to attend the Tiflis Spiritual Seminary, the leading Russian Orthodox seminary in Tiflis",,Anonymous,1365269821133.jpg,gmvZvLhzqChmW/1HXsr50w==,RU,,1437011374
48082256,48090152,2015-07-16 01:51:58,">>48089766
One of the basic tenants of Christianity is that the 'material' world is shallow 'filled with sin' and just generally no good.
This is a philosophical idea that traces back to Plato who believed all the visible world was just a sickly copy of the much higher invisible 'world of forms'.
Christianity and Platonic philosophy is so imbeded into your culture that even if you were born into an atheist family you would end up absorbing some of their ideas.
So once you declare that there is no 'heaven' or 'world of forms' if you still value system that the world is 'evil' it leads to a very negative outlook. You have damned the world and do not even have the fantasies of heaven to distract you.
This is essentially the philosophy Nietzsche was trying to get away and instead replace it with one where humanity is exalted.
In some ways it's a return to the ancient religions where they worshiped their highest ancestors/leaders (their own Overmen) but without any of the goblins or superstition.",,Anonymous,2.png,A9TujJDpSPq+hnUiDu4V8w==,US,,1437011518
48082256,48090472,2015-07-16 02:01:58,">>48090152
What is a good starting point to start learning neitchze philosophy?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437012118
48082256,48090558,2015-07-16 02:04:33,">>48090031
By nature of the authority they're confirmed by.
>without scientific evidence.
Anon, the inherently non-testable has nothing to do with empiricism. You know better than to come at the problem the wrong direction.
> And you assert your god did them,
I, personally, do not. I'm usually extremely skeptical of them if I approach them personally.
>who you can't even explain how exists while being immaterial
It's literally impossible to describe ""how"" the conditioned ground of all being exists. That's a ""what happened before creation"" kind of question.
>yet you are completely convinced that his existence 
No doubt we can't explain how the concept of an ultimate reality exists as by virtue of itself, it must be self-explanatory but from our rationale and understanding of the would we can grasp the logical necessity of its existence, and that's what most of the Scholastics did.
>is the only logical conclusion someone could make.
Not at all. I don't believe that nor have I ever aid that.
>At this point you're just too stubborn to be intellectually honest with yourself. You've combined your identity with your beliefs. Any attack on your beliefs is an attack on you, so you cannot be wrong ever.
And you're mad as shit for no good reason. 
Calm the fuck down. Have some Megaman.
>>48090152
No, this is a calvinist/puritan idea and doesn't represent but one fairly recent strand of Christianity.",,WOLFSHIEM,1370884921160.jpg,YmZGFbiTFoHBwIiL49aeaQ==,US,,1437012273
48082256,48090662,2015-07-16 02:07:47,">>48090558
>You know better than to come at the problem the wrong direction.
Science is the only direction that works. Hence why you go to a doctor and not a shaman.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437012467
48082256,48090702,2015-07-16 02:09:00,">>48090558
I should specify.
>No, this is a calvinist/puritan idea and doesn't represent but one fairly recent strand of Christianity.
I meant this line to refer to the line here >>48090152
>One of the basic tenants of Christianity is that the 'material' world is shallow 'filled with sin' and just generally no good.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437012540
48082256,48090759,2015-07-16 02:11:05,">>48090558
>And you're mad as shit for no good reason.
Terrible damage control.
Isn't it curious that completely random people on the internet have come to the EXACT same conclusion that I have about you. But you're the one that's right hey?
You wouldn't know intellectual honesty if it came up and took a shit in your mouth.
One can only imagine how much goalpost shifting and special pleading you've already brought up in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437012665
48082256,48090776,2015-07-16 02:11:43,">>48090558
Any speculation on the ""what happened before creation"" question? 
I'm somewhat grounded in the material world, and the best I can think of is a cyclical universe, in flux between a state of maximum expansion, and maximum contraction. 
This universe would accelerate until its energy was spent, reaching an eventual pause before gravity inevitably draws it back in on itself like a rubber band, and it collapses back into the singularity state. 
It would exist in this state until some instability caused the condensed energy to be released again in a new expansion. 
If you have a speculation, I'd be interested in hearing it, if it involves an intelligent creative entity, do you think this entity is very specifically the Christian God, or are all religions simply humanities various interpretations of that being?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437012703
48082256,48090880,2015-07-16 02:15:15,">>48090472
For me the best starting point was the Anti-Christ. I was already an atheist when I read but for scientific reasons. Anti-Christ gave me philosophical reasons to be an atheist and made me realize much of I believed was still Christian.
The first few chapters in Geneology of Morality are essential because it outlines the Master/slave morality that Nietzsche in virtually all of his criticisms. Geneology of Morality is a neutral toned book which basically dissects and demystifies about 2,500 of ethics and morality (you wouldn't think that's possible but his theories are so broad he manages to pull it off)
By that point you should be ready for the basics of Thus Spoke Zarathustra which is a philosophy for how to live a happy, motivated, and positive life in a world without God. It's by far his most difficult book and you will not understand more than a few of the early chapters entry level Nietzche knowledge. To understand the whole book you need to have read everything (something I am still working on). Despite this you should read those early chapters which will probably be the most life-changing.
The early chapters of Zarathustra let you see Niet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437012915
48082256,48090959,2015-07-16 02:18:22,">>48090776
>before creation
What creation?",,Anonymous,ignorance_is_bliss.jpg,A8LnfsRQy1XHOSBm5rZBeA==,US,,1437013102
48082256,48091020,2015-07-16 02:20:31,">>48090776
>wanting to know what something 'thinks' happened instead of wanting to know what ACTUALLY happened
jesus christ you cunts will believe anything",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437013231
48082256,48091028,2015-07-16 02:20:43,">>48090959
I'm speaking in reference to 
>That's a ""what happened before creation"" kind of question.
What wolf means by ""creation"" I'm assuming translates to ""universe/reality"" for me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013243
48082256,48091084,2015-07-16 02:22:36,">>48091028
Wolf is baselessly asserting there was a creation event. Asking him about it will just feed his ego.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmogony",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013356
48082256,48091095,2015-07-16 02:22:52,">>48091020
>Implying I cannot want to know both. 
I want to understand other peoples positions and I also want to know ""truth"". The two are not mutually exclusive, I can inquire after both, one to try and discern ever improving models of reality, and the other to best understand what others who may disagree think.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013372
48082256,48091175,2015-07-16 02:25:49,">>48091095
Actually I'll revise that...
>wanting to know wolfshiets opinion on literally anything
>any year",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437013549
48082256,48091199,2015-07-16 02:27:16,">>48090776
Think about how the word 'creation' is used in none religious ways.
Creation requires energy: all matter is itself a form of energy. Even the act of moving requires energy.
So in order to 'create' anything you must already have energy. So the idea of creating anything 'before energy existed' is absurd. Even MAGIC cannot do that (magic requires mana points which is a form of energy).
Also you need to understand that the world 'universe' means 'everything in existence'. Even if there were other places that could only be accessed through some dimension warping teleporting scifi device, or if our Earth is only a program running on some aliens' computer. Than we would still be 'in the universe'. So would the aliens and the other dimension.
Existing 'outside the universe' is nonsense. By definition anything that does exist is contained in the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013636
48082256,48091230,2015-07-16 02:28:19,">>48091175
>Not wanting to know the opinions of people who disagree with you, regardless of how you feel towards them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013699
48082256,48091260,2015-07-16 02:29:32,">>48090558
They are not recent. They predate Christianity.
We went from Plato's idea that world of forms=superior world, material world=imperfect copy of the form world...
to Gnosism which is the exact same fucking thing but the material world is made by an evil God to keep us away from the world of forms...
to Christianity where the 'world of forms' is replaced with heaven and God and the material world is sinful because it moved away from God/the forms.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013772
48082256,48091273,2015-07-16 02:29:52,">>48091199
>So in order to 'create' anything you must already have energy.
The sum energy of the universe is zero though. 
The main reason why space overall is assumed to have an energy very close to zero is that anything else quickly leads to extreme gravitational curvature, which of course is not what we see when you look out at the stars and distant galaxies. Some curvature, sure, but not much, and even then it is mostly localized to effects such as gravitational lenses.
Even an extremely tiny amount of net energy for empty space accumulates very quickly because of the vastness of empty space. If you work out how close to zero you need to get to allow space to look as flat as we see it out to distant quasars, you unavoidably come up with a value extraordinarily close to zero energy per cubit meter of empty space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437013792
48082256,48091487,2015-07-16 02:38:41,">>48090662
A specific miracle is, by virtue of itself, a one-time event. How do you plan on applying empiricism to that?
>>48090759
>Terrible damage control.
Well you're not the same person but lets look into that.
>Isn't it curious that completely random people on the internet have come to the EXACT same conclusion that I have about you. But you're the one that's right hey? You wouldn't know intellectual honesty if it came up and took a shit in your mouth. One can only imagine how much goalpost shifting and special pleading you've already brought up in this thread.
Literally the rest of the post is being insulted by you. Very emotional criticism as well.
>>48090776
>Any speculation on the ""what happened before creation"" question? 
None at all. I tend to focus on how to help and work with people so I leave not-so-helpful understandings of the world outside of my worldview. Whether a multiverse, a cyclical universe, or a wholly contingent universe (if I can call it that) is still very much up in the air. As God in the Catholic tradition is what Aquinas calls the ""subsisting act of being itself"" then this ground for being is allowed to function in all these scenarios. In fact, the argument was originally framed by someone who thought the universe lasts forever. 
Sorry if the discussion is a little lacking here. I just try to occupy myself with other stuff. The speculation serves no useful purpose.
>do you think this entity is very specifically the Christian God, or are all religions simply humanities various interpretations of that being?
I would say that all religions carry some form of the truth to them but through investigation we can grasp the nature of the apex of our metaphysics (God) and would say that understanding is closely aligned with how we understand God in the Christian sense. To the point of shutting out most other examples. I would have to default to Aquinas for the lengthy answer here though. He can explain it better than I.",,WOLFSHIEM,megaman no.jpg,aeo91bm9X9qkIK8Oj+bw0A==,US,,1437014321
48082256,48091525,2015-07-16 02:40:26,">>48091260
>They are not recent. They predate Christianity.
Well I mean in Christianity. I understand gnosticism just fine. The view asserted in that the material world is bad and thus abstaining from it is good is a purely calvinist/puritan idea in Christianity nowadays. It was alive with the gnostics for a short time but they died out super quick.
>to Christianity where the 'world of forms' is replaced with heaven and God and the material world is sinful because it moved away from God/the forms.
Actually Christendom adopted Aristotle's concept of Forms, which is a redirection of the concept Plato had to something fairly different. It does not apply Plato's teaching.
Now I have to go to bed early. I have a funeral tomorrow, I'm sorry. I will be on tomorrow is you wish to continue any conversations later on or call me names or some shit. Have a good night.",,WOLFSHIEM,Call C Bones.png,cQUhkUUmUUJQ9jSXok8UiQ==,US,,1437014426
48082256,48091599,2015-07-16 02:43:28,">>48091230
>not knowing what that intellectual nobody thinks and realising he's a stone cold nutcase.
>>48091487
>Literally the rest of the post is being insulted by you. Very emotional criticism as well.
What exactly is your point dipshit?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437014608
48082256,48091644,2015-07-16 02:45:02,">>48091273
What you are talking about is adding up 'negative' energy' and 'positive' energy adding getting a result of zero (ie gravity is tallied as a negative number and matter as a positive number)
I am talking about adding up the absolute value of all energy.
The idea of anything doing anything at all with zero energy of any kind is absurd. The only sensible idea is that there has always been energy in some form or other (and since matter is a form of energy it basically means matter always existed). Perhaps it used to be in only very primitive forms, but existing none the less.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437014702
48082256,48091700,2015-07-16 02:46:50,">>48091487
>A specific miracle is, by virtue of itself, a one-time event. How do you plan on applying empiricism to that?
lol
>the Battle of Cannae was a one-time event, so there is no way to empirically study it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437014810
48082256,48091713,2015-07-16 02:47:33,">>48091525
>I have a funeral tomorrow",,Anonymous,1537a28523d1cf3a356ea83245ef56d8_xlarge.jpg,dQocMjVwpSVq2bqYxndAFA==,US,,1437014853
48082256,48091765,2015-07-16 02:49:32,">>48091644
Well, I suppose you could think that there is some energy in the universe and that energy has been conserved this whole time.
Or you could conclude from the evidence that there is a net zero amount of energy in the universe, and that the universe doesn't need any energy to exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437014972
48082256,48091842,2015-07-16 02:52:28,">>48082454
>>48082256
this gonna be a new meme like christ chan?
AHH fuck this gay earth
>inb4 don't AHH on me you sound like a vorcha",,Anonymous,1428242761367.png,BHK7LHzE/mxJecTY8dAsFQ==,BR,,1437015148
48082256,48091875,2015-07-16 02:53:34,">>48091842
>this gonna be a new meme like christ chan?
 
Hell yeah, we already have rule 34 too >>48086468",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015214
48082256,48091957,2015-07-16 02:56:03,">>48086395
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7668448/Christian-preacher-arrested-for-saying-homosexuality-is-a-sin.html
That's why nobody wants atheism.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437015363
48082256,48092041,2015-07-16 02:58:22,">>48091957
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/06/20/teen-atheist-facing-three-years-in-prison-for-wounding-religious-feelings-online/
That's why nobody wants Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015502
48082256,48092065,2015-07-16 02:59:06,">>48091765
You are confusing terms on a paper for the real world.
The zero-energy universe theory does not say there is 'no energy'. It just classifies certain energy as positive (like matter) and others as negative (like gravity). And than says they are about equal. 
Going from 'the energy of an objects is about equal to it's gravity' DOESN'T MEAN there is no gravity or energy!
Literally everything that exists in the universe is energy in some form or another.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015546
48082256,48092088,2015-07-16 03:00:00,">>48091957
Don't you have a cuckoo clock to build or some cheese to produce?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015600
48082256,48092111,2015-07-16 03:00:40,">>48082256
An atheist female would never use problematic terms like ""kike."" Please make sure to use appropriate language next time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015640
48082256,48092112,2015-07-16 03:00:42,">>48092065
I know there is positive and negative energy. I look at it like a sum.
1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ... 1 - 1 = 0
All the ones and negative ones are like positive and negative energy in the universe. It looks like a lot of stuff, but really it is just nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015642
48082256,48092196,2015-07-16 03:03:33,">>48092112
There is negative and positive energy only within human terms. It's a model for understanding the universe, not a completely accurate model but very useful.
Gravity is not a number that can be negative or positive in the real world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437015813
48082256,48092258,2015-07-16 03:06:22,">>48091875
this need to end now",,Anonymous,1428192909116.jpg,dtBQnNyzMx6vh/rykOzc+A==,BR,,1437015982
48082256,48092341,2015-07-16 03:09:10,">>48092196
Gravity really does have negative energy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_energy
And like I explained in this post >>48091273 there is good evidence to suggest that the sum really does turn out to be zero, it's not just some model.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437016150
48082256,48092485,2015-07-16 03:15:02,">>48083277
It wouldn't make sense for a loving God to condemn someone for eternity without a way of improving the situation.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437016502
48082256,48092505,2015-07-16 03:15:32,"It's a little shocking and disappointing that /Pol/ thinks so little of me just because I'm an atheist. I suppose it's time to ring my buddies at Google and have them compile a ""people who will never be allowed to go to Mars"" list from the IPs posting here",,Elon Musk,elonmusk.jpg,eCDzlH4TUaZ4cc1vBwvtnw==,US,,1437016532
48082256,48092533,2015-07-16 03:17:11,">>48092505
I don't even like flying to Vegas, so fuck you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437016631
48082256,48092551,2015-07-16 03:17:43,">>48092041
Oy vey, faggot! That's Singapore where there are multiple religions and the laws are quite strict so as to hinder unrest. And then there's a difference between speaking out against homosexuality and saying fags are retarded. Conversely that kid did this. Again, atheists don't look at history at all. Otherwise they would have understood the circumstances in Singapore. What they did was to handle that kid just like any other religious hate preacher. What do you want? For atheists to have a special privilege to spread hate speech against other religions because they themselves define atheism as not a religion? Fucking retard.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437016663
48082256,48092558,2015-07-16 03:18:01,"Wolfshiem are you still here?
How do I walk into a catholic church? What time do I do so? What do I say? Do I just attend a service?
We talked last weekend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437016681
48082256,48092585,2015-07-16 03:19:00,">>48092533
Subsequent generations of your family are also barred. Your lineage will die with the Earth. Likewise for anyone recorded disparaging atheism. It's really tiresome and I don't owe people who shit all over me access to the new frontier.",,Elon Musk,elonfamily.jpg,6o4glH38ccXsKB5SAsd5MA==,US,,1437016740
48082256,48092714,2015-07-16 03:24:22,">>48092558
He went to bed. I used to be Catholic. Trust me, you don't want to be anywhere near a Catholic church.
Unless they are all gathered in a dining hall eating food.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437017062
48082256,48092781,2015-07-16 03:26:44,">>48092111
Wat?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437017204
48082256,48093027,2015-07-16 03:35:40,">>48092714
Damn, I just wanted to be religious",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437017740
48082256,48093029,2015-07-16 03:35:48,">>48092714
I went to some sort of Evangelical Protestant church back when I was a good sheep.
The whole thing was mind numbing. Half the time we were just singing stupid songs, I don't remember the sermons very well. The pastor would dig up 1 or 2 lines and than spend 20 minutes talking about them. Felt like it was just a way for him to talk about whatever he wanted with a captive audience. They made a big deal out of the collection bin, if I had more balls as a kid I would have taught myself how to palm some of the 20s.
Once there was a woman talking in tongues which was hilarious.
How are Catholic Churchs?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437017748
48082256,48093105,2015-07-16 03:38:24,">>48091599
I think I can translate for you Aussie. 
You mentioned it was a damage control. You go on to say that he is a disgusting human being that you hate. 
Definitive shitpost m8",,Anonymous,1386002691641.jpg,Ub03NM0rTwj7v25S0nzzbA==,US,,1437017904
48082256,48093109,2015-07-16 03:38:31,">>48093027
If you need a religion go with one of the eastern ones. They have a far more advanced understanding of the world and seem to be least superstitious. Buddihism and Taoism walk a path between religion and philosophy. There's some mystical elements to them but it's not like Christianity where the religion is focused on them (for instance you do not need to beleive anything to be reincarnated into a better body and you can't win over the magic's favor by brown nosing like you can in Christianity. The results are all based on merit)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437017911
48082256,48095216,2015-07-16 05:03:27,">>48092088
its beacause most christian call the jew ""kike"" and still ignoring jesus was a jew himself 
its mostly to point out the irony(i think)",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1437023007
48082256,48095921,2015-07-16 05:33:34,bump,,Anonymous,finished_original[1].jpg,nQQi7BuPa0cTmMXlBVRroA==,JP,,1437024814
48082256,48096024,2015-07-16 05:38:35,">>48092041
errr he said a lot of things other than the religious stuff. Those were more damning",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1437025115
48131059,48131059,2015-07-16 20:21:45,"Feel free to discuss atheism, agnosticism, and secular living/politics. Artists are encouraged to make more Fedora-chan, as we only have two drawings right now. 
I'm compiling some recommended reading and videos. Will post soon.",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437013809595.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437078105
48131059,48131087,2015-07-16 20:22:18,Here is the other drawing :^),,Anonymous,1437019859077.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437078138
48131059,48131228,2015-07-16 20:25:37,i recommend the amazing atheist,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437078337
48131059,48131403,2015-07-16 20:29:28,">>48131228
Pls",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437078568
48131059,48131653,2015-07-16 20:35:05,Question for those in this thread: what is your story? How did you become an atheist?,,Anonymous,487px-ScarletLetter.svg.png,7lk1SOCZu0laSF4AfkZH7Q==,US,,1437078905
48131059,48131870,2015-07-16 20:39:51,">>48131653
The Internet mostly. It pointed out how things could be explained with science, and how ridiculous Christianity was. I realized I had no reason to believe in God, and that my Christianity was just a side effect of the country I was born into.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437079191
48131059,48131918,2015-07-16 20:41:00,How deep did you guys manage to shove your bananas? Anybody make the whole in yet?,,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437079260
48131059,48131926,2015-07-16 20:41:10,">>48131653
Use to be a catholic but got molested.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437079270
48131059,48132701,2015-07-16 21:00:06,"Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437080406
48131059,48132911,2015-07-16 21:05:22,"A list of Bible problems, rated by severity 
http://errancy.org/",,Anonymous,1386196352357.jpg,RRaZtnht4a0hamW5BZHBVw==,US,,1437080722
48131059,48133710,2015-07-16 21:25:49,"Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437081949
48131059,48133742,2015-07-16 21:26:28,">>48133710
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437081988
48131059,48133832,2015-07-16 21:28:24,"Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life. 
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437082104
48131059,48134307,2015-07-16 21:39:57,">>48133832
>>48133742
>>48133710
>>48132701
Thank you :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437082797
48131059,48134682,2015-07-16 21:49:07,"Friendly reminder that agnostic does not mean 'in the middle'. You can be an agnostic theist or agnostic atheist, it doesn't describe your belief.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437083347
48131059,48134805,2015-07-16 21:52:08,">>48131653
>Question for those in this thread: what is your story? How did you become an atheist?
Studying religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437083528
48131059,48134858,2015-07-16 21:53:43,">>48133832
>Richard Carrier
Carrier is a far-left Bolshevikized scumbag who thinks because Jesus died in the gospels and came back to life, it must therefore be the story of Horus.",,Anonymous,ANPseal.gif,UrUHEZghb8V6Z0Dd66qyPQ==,US,,1437083623
48131059,48134870,2015-07-16 21:53:57,">>48134682
This is true",,Anonymous,agnostic.png,A94H3Pmnp6IK6pMcYVfx3Q==,US,,1437083637
48131059,48134889,2015-07-16 21:54:24,Daily reminder that you are not a real atheist if you still believe in governments and moral codes,,Anonymous,1398517_224945564333950_125700332_o.png,KebSnJZvkHpbvrD76QNNPw==,US,,1437083664
48131059,48134909,2015-07-16 21:55:13,Awww look at all the American flags in this thread. Proud of you guys for finally seeing the light. Well done.,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437083713
48131059,48134916,2015-07-16 21:55:22,"l
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l3",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437083722
48131059,48134951,2015-07-16 21:56:32,">>48134889
I don't see the issue with moral atheists 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437083792
48131059,48134957,2015-07-16 21:56:45,">>48134889
>Daily reminder that you are not a real atheist you still believe in governments and moral codes
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Look... empirical evidence of the existence of governments...",,Anonymous,Populist.jpg,7sgDd+6TlQMVdCARgFyPSg==,US,,1437083805
48131059,48134963,2015-07-16 21:56:52,">>48134916
*tips mitre*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437083812
48131059,48134979,2015-07-16 21:57:11,">>48134870
Handy image, thanks.
Agnostic theist here.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437083831
48131059,48135019,2015-07-16 21:58:06,"How can anyone believe in God, /pol/?
God doesn't protect all children and innocent, God doesn't make himself clear to the whole planet. It is like he doesn't exist!
Heaven and doom: how exactly is this place called heaven? Do you agree that showing anyone a first glance of Hell would be enough to fix them? How do people lie to their best friends and family about a imaginary friend? How many young men lost their days with this? Literally all of my friends were trolled by this. There is something like hundreds of thousands of people who avoid medical care because of Faith, receiving prayers actually correlates with bad health and death!
God should be proven once and for all: Where can you find this proof of God? If not, How can people talk about something they don't know? How do people forget their wishful thinking is failing? 
Pic related, Pythagoreans celebrating the sunrise: religion even towards Reason! Shows the difference between Pythagoras and his followers. Religion is the Plebeian expression.",,Anonymous,640px-Bronnikov_gimnpifagoreizev.jpg,16oHnzGSCfmW+N5x80rm5g==,BR,,1437083886
48131059,48135043,2015-07-16 21:58:56,">>48134957
That's like showing a picture of a church and saying ""look empirical evidence of God""
People building shit in the name of God does not prove God exists, just as people building shit in the name of a Government does not prove that the Government exists anywhere outside our own minds.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437083936
48131059,48135073,2015-07-16 21:59:46,">>48134951
Morality is a religion without a god. If you reject all religions then you must also reject moral codes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437083986
48131059,48135168,2015-07-16 22:01:55,">>48132701
I'd like to add thunderf00t's ""Why do people laugh at creationists"" video series to this list: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAC3481305829426D",,Anonymous,1315781068251.jpg,94Msg6A6XkYdx3yd6tr0Tg==,US,,1437084115
48131059,48135192,2015-07-16 22:02:22,">>48135043
>That's like showing a picture of a church and saying ""look empirical evidence of God""
No, God doesn't exist and therefore has no power...",,Anonymous,ZyklonBen.png,NQQg+Z8qAGHU+3OZ3fAbPg==,US,,1437084142
48131059,48135194,2015-07-16 22:02:28,"Dawkins, Hitchens, and the other atheist clowns are only really good for justifying atheism in a scientific sense, in a dry logical sense, sweeping away superstition.
When it comes to the ethical, the moral, justification they tend to fold. Their arguments hold up well when debating Christians, they is not because they are good arguements (they are not) but because their Christian debators are bobble-heads.
Even worst the atheists sometimes just resort to the religion of Egalitarianism.
If you want a morality perspective against Christianity read Nietzsche's the Anti-Christ. The very dumded down summary is ""Christianity breeds weakens. It's roots are in the resentful feelings of the oppressed. It's anti-life by condemning natural activity as sin""",,Anonymous,1423371594991.jpg,W4w+EIB38HQ4NwO+XL5I/g==,US,,1437084148
48131059,48135253,2015-07-16 22:03:59,">>48131926
Yikes, that sucks. At least the church misses you, unlike these other guys :)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084239
48131059,48135261,2015-07-16 22:04:09,"Seriously though guys, what is it like to be an atheist in Murica? I hear that as a group, you guys are more mistrusted than Muslims. How does the media portray atheism? Is it still a massive social stigma in the States?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437084249
48131059,48135269,2015-07-16 22:04:23,">>48135073
Moral codes are made by humans for the benefit of other humans.
It need not have a religion. Anyone can create a moral code. Even animals have their own moral codes, their own little cultures, their own 'thou shalt' and 'thou shalt not'",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084263
48131059,48135273,2015-07-16 22:04:24,">>48135073
Religions adopt various ethics. If your ethics are not grounded in religious beliefs, they are completely secular.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084264
48131059,48135328,2015-07-16 22:05:47,">>48135168
earth-niggers dont go to heaven, son",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437084347
48131059,48135336,2015-07-16 22:06:02,">>48135261
I got kicked out when I was 16 for coming out as an atheist to my Catholic parents. Luckily I had taught myself enough programming to get an entry level Web Development position to pay for rent/food.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084362
48131059,48135443,2015-07-16 22:08:54,">>48135336
That's pretty shitty. Still can't believe that happens in a first world country like the US. Hope the tides are changing.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437084534
48131059,48135470,2015-07-16 22:09:43,">>48134870
what if i simply don't know whether or not god exist? is there any category for that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084583
48131059,48135489,2015-07-16 22:10:15,">>48135273
Ethics IS a religion. Beliefs about what is right and wrong are just that - beliefs. There is no objective reason to believe that morality actually exists anywhere outside our head - just as there is no objective reason to believe that a God exists.",,Anonymous,178429_207151439446696_387012350_o.png,1Sj2uSwx8s4ULKwz02Liog==,US,,1437084615
48131059,48135495,2015-07-16 22:10:22,">>48135443
>Still can't believe that happens in a first world country like the US. Hope the tides are changing.",,Anonymous,Evol.jpg,Sxu0/nUu6+2gfuX3fBx0VA==,US,,1437084622
48131059,48135560,2015-07-16 22:11:41,">>48135489
>Ethics IS a religion. Beliefs about what is right and wrong are just that - beliefs.
Wrong, Civilization operates on collectivized ethics. Civilization is necessary to survival. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY03V6d1ijY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084701
48131059,48135609,2015-07-16 22:12:45,">>48135470
If you don't know, you are agnostic.
If you are actively believing in God's existence then you are a theist, otherwise you're an atheist technically.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084765
48131059,48135663,2015-07-16 22:14:01,"I'm having a hard time coming up with a good counter to this, regarding the idea of there being a god:
If you wander through the forest and come across a log cabin, you know someone designed and built it.
How does the same not apply to wandering around the universe and stumbling across a planet?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084841
48131059,48135687,2015-07-16 22:14:35,">>48135261
My parents do not understand. I don't mean that in that I get in arguements with them (I don't) but they literally cannot understand why I would do anything at all.
They genuinely buy into the idea that morality and purpose can only be obtained by a relationship with a God. So they sometimes ask me why I bother doing anything at all.
It's very unusual. I think I understand Christians perfectly fine, why they need to beleive certain things to be happy and secure. But I imagine I am very strange to them.
Outside of home it doesn't matter much. People don't really talk about religion at work. All of my friends are either very light hearted theists or atheists so the discussion of religion never came up. I was friends with a guy for 6 years and never knew what his religious stance was.
One thing about Christians is that they have a private face and a public face. My father seems pretty normal to people he meets. In private he is a creationist and thinks that the devil is plotting with banking to destroy his religion. Many Christian I have gotten to know intimately has very strange beleifs: that their prayers can cure diseases, that the devil is plotting things, that the scientists are lying about evolution, something like that.
There's a list of trigger words I try not to say around my father like 'evolve'. It's very ackward.
There's a few of what I call ""Christian-lights"" which have never read the bible, rarely go to church, and do not let the religion influence them in any signficant way. They are much easier to get along with.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437084875
48131059,48135755,2015-07-16 22:16:42,">>48131653
>How did you become an atheist?
Born that way like everyone else. Only no on ever tried to make me believe in the gods or religion.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437085002
48131059,48135796,2015-07-16 22:17:41,">>48135663
>How does the same not apply to wandering around the universe and stumbling across a planet?
Because a planet is a disordered lump of mass formed by specific extant principles of nature. 
You could argue the extant principles of nature are evidence of God, but these principles are everywhere observed to be inviolate, and therefore you cannot claim that whatever force, whether it be a deity or not, put them into motion, is in any sense distinguishable from nature itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085061
48131059,48135824,2015-07-16 22:18:22,">>48135560
The human race existed long before civilization and states were around",,Anonymous,1097206_202621219899718_894363742_o.jpg,I4TJFpheO2LQ74oXaNwsWQ==,US,,1437085102
48131059,48135849,2015-07-16 22:19:02,">>48135609
This, but I've also heard gnostics vs agnostic described as ""you consider it to be knowable"" instead of just knowing.
>>48135663
Well it can be explained to you how a planet forms if that's the example that you want to go with. A better idea would be actual scientific mysteries such as what first causes something to be alive vs inanimate, or what is the source of matter? (infinite vs created)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437085142
48131059,48135851,2015-07-16 22:19:04,">>48135663
The universe is designed by natural processess.
Atoms have their own little community. The larger communities form elements. The elements form more complicated things like planets.
The designer is the elements, atoms themself. With help from gravity and other forces.
You need to stop thinking of natural forces as being dull, cold, and 'without meaning'. And realize that the universe very much is alive.
Space rocks compete with each other, they fight smashing into each other, they gather allies, and eventually the most successful colony of space rocks forms some sort of asteroid or planet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085144
48131059,48135876,2015-07-16 22:20:23,">>48135824
>The human race existed long before civilization and states were around
In discorded chaos, misery, ignorant toil, and death. Anyone who argues for a return to such a system of barbarianism is either a fool or a psychopath.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085223
48131059,48135877,2015-07-16 22:20:23,">>48135663
You know someone built it because you are familiar with houses, and who builds them.
The same can't be said for a planet. Their origins are merely a result of gravity accumulating particles together.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085223
48131059,48135905,2015-07-16 22:20:36,">>48131059
I recommend Matt Dillahunty and/or The Atheist Experience (both on youtube).
They are a very good introduction to rational atheism without all the shouting and acting up that you find on alot of youtube channels.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085236
48131059,48135934,2015-07-16 22:21:13,">>48135824
>implying one can date paint on a wall",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085273
48131059,48135935,2015-07-16 22:21:14,">>48135824
We always had civilization. It's just that the standards have been going up.
Back in the day 50 people living together in a community was civilization.
There would be ethics and morality than. You would have to ration the food, come up with rules, and enforce these. The rule breakers would be banished or killed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085274
48131059,48135949,2015-07-16 22:21:33,">>48131926
As shitty as that is, its not a good reason to be atheist, I hope you are examining your views and trying to make them more rational as best as you can.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085293
48131059,48136045,2015-07-16 22:23:47,">>48135935
People acting in the name of moral codes does not prove that morality physically exists in the universe, just as people acting in the name of a God does not prove that a God exists.
Moral codes and gods are made-up ideas in our heads. They probably have an evolutionary basis to them, sure - but they are still just beliefs and nothing more.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085427
48131059,48136088,2015-07-16 22:24:39,">>48134858
Carrier is a historian who has actually studied early christian mythology and isnt able to find any solid contemporary evidence of Christ being a real person. 
Sorry that makes you butthurt, but hes probably right.
The first mention of Jesus was decades later in 95 AD in Josephus's jewish history, and these mentions are almost certainly inserted into the text even later, since they dont belong in either tone, depth, or focus in the places they appear.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085479
48131059,48136096,2015-07-16 22:24:48,">>48135949
I'm an atheist for rational reasons, but I totally understand people that are atheists for emotional reasons. Some people value how they feel over being right.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085488
48131059,48136144,2015-07-16 22:26:10,">>48136045
I wasn't argueing for 'morality physically existing'.
In some ways it's true though. A moral code is just a few thoughts in your head. Those thoughts are made from various chemicals and electrical pusles in your brain which is 'physical' but very very small.
The difference between that and 'God' is we are told 'God' is not made of atoms and chemicals but of some sort spirit voodo energy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085570
48131059,48136149,2015-07-16 22:26:22,">>48136045
>Moral codes and gods are made-up ideas in our heads.
So is art, music, fiction, technology, and pretty much anything humans have ever made. Just because something is an idea doesn't mean it is bad.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085582
48131059,48136167,2015-07-16 22:26:50,">>48135489
Morality exists in the same way money does, it's worth and use is what we give it.
Human's, religious or not, have morality.
Individuals may not, but that doesn't change the fact that even before Christianity, people knew not to kill, or steal.
Bicameralism could explain religion.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1437085610
48131059,48136184,2015-07-16 22:27:15,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiyXdpvDM6Y
Enjoy this faggots.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,11709544_862810097140918_1424728514444497080_n.jpg,hWuN7AlyzMjGcN+Z7jSM+w==,MY,,1437085635
48131059,48136197,2015-07-16 22:27:34,">>48135194
Wow you're 100% right, except for your entire post, which is wrong.
When confronted with questions of morality they dont fold, they make clear concise arguments about how toxic religious morality is and present secular morality based on rational self interest (in the welfare of both yourself and others in your society) as a real workable alternative.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085654
48131059,48136260,2015-07-16 22:29:14,">>48136096
And those people are still wrong, even when they pick atheism, just as a broken clock is still broken even the two times a day its ""right"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085754
48131059,48136275,2015-07-16 22:29:36,">>48136088
>Carrier is a historian who has actually studied early christian mythology and isnt able to find any solid contemporary evidence of Christ being a real person.
> Sorry that makes you butthurt, but hes probably right.
I studied religious history as well, academically, and Carrier's view is ludicrous. He operates under the false assumption that absolutely nothing written in the Bible is based in observation. He, furthermore, operates under the false assumption that the vast swath of Roman Empire would have some sort of cause to record things about a homeless preaching Jew that the state executed. He complains that other historians don't directly mention Jesus as if Jesus was, during the time of his life, someone so influential as to warrant the attention of Roman historians and philosophers rather than just his small group of followers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437085776
48131059,48136325,2015-07-16 22:30:45,,,Anonymous,actual.jpg,dbu9iq6Nb8PEExhw5owrxg==,US,,1437085845
48131059,48136405,2015-07-16 22:32:38,">>48136325
>premises not grounded in science 
>concludes that an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world. 
2/10",,Anonymous,yFH5R.jpg,jPxhq08QVkvP4V5TpMf7yg==,US,,1437085958
48131059,48136455,2015-07-16 22:34:00,">>48135194
Most of their books are pretty technical and scientific with how they go about attacking religion.
However, I would personally recommend The God Delusion and Letter to a Christian Nation. I didn't put them on the reading list because I figure everyone already knows about them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086040
48131059,48136456,2015-07-16 22:34:01,">>48136275
So why does literally no one mention him? In any culture across the entire region? Not his followers saying ""hey I saw this Jesus guy and man he's all right"", not the local roman magistrates who apparently found the guy so troublesome that they had him killed, not a single mention from the jewish cults that would have seen him as an opponent to be squashed, nothing.
Literally nothing.
Meanwhile you just assert that he was real even though we have zero evidence.
>He operates under the false assumption that absolutely nothing written in the Bible is based in observation. 
Thats because everything in the new testament is written decades to centuries after the events in question. They could not have been based on observation, everyone who might have seen anything was dead. At best it is third hand hearsay.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086041
48131059,48136464,2015-07-16 22:34:16,">>48136405
I never really liked that image, but the idea that every effect has a cause therefore there must be a first cause is a good starting point for theism.
The last few panels are pretty wat though",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437086056
48131059,48136493,2015-07-16 22:34:50,">>48131653
Spent entire childhood being forced into going to church. Spent entire time trying to force myself to believe. Never took. Felt bad about it for years. 
Then I realize I'm not the one with the issue. Feel better. Meet other like minded people. Feel better. NEVER force it on anyone. But you asked nicely. Don't bring it up to friends or family. They probably think I'm still Catholic. Cause that's what they want to believe. 
All these idiots that argue one way or another on the internet wasting their time or ""gods"" time. 
Me. I'm pooping anyway. It's my butts time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086090
48131059,48136530,2015-07-16 22:35:57,">>48135934
But we can date almost anything.
Really.
Look it up.
Just like how we can date how long someone has been dead.
Or we just estimate, decently accurate estimate.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1437086157
48131059,48136547,2015-07-16 22:36:25,">>48136464
No it isnt, if you assert that there is a first cause, and that everything has a cause, then that first cause must also have a cause, and you quickly devolve into infinite regress. Turtles all the way down.
If there is a ""first cause"" that had no cause, then even then there is no reason to assert that it is some deity since you have no evidence either way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086185
48131059,48136572,2015-07-16 22:36:50,">>48135194
>do bad thing and go to hell
>do good thing and go to heaven
>implying reward and punishment is morality",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437086210
48131059,48136656,2015-07-16 22:38:22,">>48136045
A lot of things we do are like that though...
Humans gives value and worth to things that might have no practical physical use because that's what kind of creatures we are.
Morality is useful from an evolutionary point, what's the point of a civilisation that kills each other?",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1437086302
48131059,48136674,2015-07-16 22:38:49,"My favorite line from the New Testament: Matthew 27:52-53
>The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
Apparently an army of zombies entered Jerusalem and no one wrote about it but Matthew.",,Anonymous,zombie_horde_by_vegasmike-d4vx7sp.jpg,ikEM7QU3HY8LTamcOeev0Q==,US,,1437086329
48131059,48136756,2015-07-16 22:40:58,">>48135336
I'm a parent now. I hate some of the shit my kid does. But I don't give a fuck what they think. 
I could see if you burnt down their church...or molested their priest. But to say some words about the thoughts in your head, Christ Almighty!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086458
48131059,48136766,2015-07-16 22:41:22,">>48136547
I agree - and it's used as a bedrock for nonsense like the christian god, let alone a living/self-aware one.
Once you get to that first cause idea and nothing seems to make sense, you either (based on your personality/upbringing/experiences I guess) think that there was nothing and things came into being for no reason (how could there be a reason if there was nothing before) and was therefore a deliberate action, or everything existed forever.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437086482
48131059,48136781,2015-07-16 22:41:43,">>48131087
>rainbow dash panties
Noice",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086503
48131059,48136854,2015-07-16 22:43:08,">>48136456
>So why does literally no one mention him? In any culture across the entire region? Not his followers saying ""hey I saw this Jesus guy and man he's all right"", not the local roman magistrates who apparently found the guy so troublesome that they had him killed, not a single mention from the jewish cults that would have seen him as an opponent to be squashed, nothing.
The Roman State killed people like executions were going out of style. Why don't we have vast records of the deaths of all the other people the Romans executed?
The Romans didn't care about the cultures of the people they governed. They cared if you payed taxes or not, which is why the Romans destroyed Jerusalem - for rebelling against the state and failing to pay taxes.
I don't assert he was real - the historical record found in the Bible asserts he was real. Furthermore, most of the things he is claimed to have done are regularly reproduced for credulous audiences around the globe, such as ""exorcisms,"" and ""faith healings.""
> Thats because everything in the new testament is written decades to centuries after the events in question
No, Paul's epistles were written very contemporaneously and with him having direct contact with the followers of Jesus. Paul writes to extant churches who are clearly worshiping a man called Jesus. Richard Carrier ascribes a personal interpretation to Paul's epistles that he is speaking of a divine being cult and not of a flesh and blood man, but this requires a lot of Paul's statements to be interpreted metaphorically when they don't otherwise seem to be metaphor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086588
48131059,48136892,2015-07-16 22:43:55,">>48136456
>Meanwhile you just assert that he was real even though we have zero evidence.
Historical records don't work like science - you can't simply dismiss claims from historical records 1000's of years ago simply because we don't have the empirical evidence today.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086635
48131059,48136997,2015-07-16 22:46:20,"Personally, I think Jesus was a real person.
But so what? L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, and Muhammad are real people too.",,Anonymous,parrot_hears_you_talkin_shit.jpg,SPt0gLWvkpRHLo36ySWACQ==,US,,1437086780
48131059,48137039,2015-07-16 22:47:23,">>48136854
Are we arguing WHY fiction is fictional? 
Maybe I'm behind. I'll go over to /b/.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086843
48131059,48137062,2015-07-16 22:47:51,">>48135663
Dude, that argument is literally built to be destroyed. The logic used in this seems to just imply that a higher being is responsible only for the creation of all planets, when planets themselves have a quite reasonable explanation for their creation and formation (millions of years of collecting matter and what not). 
The argument would be more compelling if we were arguing God's responsibility for reality itself (If you live in a log cabin, you know someone designed and built it./ How does the same not apply to living in the universe itself? ), but even then, its still subject-able to naturalist reasoning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086871
48131059,48137132,2015-07-16 22:49:47,">>48136184
Hestia a bestia, tbh.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437086987
48131059,48137183,2015-07-16 22:50:59,"What is there to discuss?
By being an active atheist you're literally removing yourself from a millennia old dialogue (or rather, conversation) that has shaped, leaders, people, and the very earth itself.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437087059
48131059,48137227,2015-07-16 22:51:52,">>48137183
Fun fact: atheism existed before any religion did :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437087112
48131059,48137422,2015-07-16 22:56:30,">>48136325
Someone have the critique version?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437087390
48131059,48137532,2015-07-16 22:59:05,">>48137422
>>48136325
Right here",,Anonymous,quin2.jpg,JQ/q3wl/psl0eRBs+7xBGw==,US,,1437087545
48131059,48137616,2015-07-16 23:01:16,">>48137183
Organized religion is a small blip in the history of humanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437087676
48131059,48137851,2015-07-16 23:07:12,"He was talking about theism, not ""organised religion"". Materialism is a blip in the history of humanity.
Also, the first cause argument is based on the premise that every *contingent* thing has a cause, not that everything has a cause.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437088032
48131059,48137883,2015-07-16 23:08:14,">>48137039
>Are we arguing WHY fiction is fictional?
>Maybe I'm behind. I'll go over to /b/.
You can't simply say some parts of something are fiction and therefore it's all fiction. There's very little in Paul's Epistles that would be categorized as narrative, it is mostly theological exposition. The churches he is writing to all evidently had some sort of shared belief system. This shared belief system is presented in the gospels a couple decades after Paul's epistles with no apparent objection by whatever constituted Christendom prior to their writing. Furthermore, the gospels and Paul's writing present very few contradictions - by contrast, they strongly illuminate Paul's writing and bring it into context which isn't as readily apparent otherwise.
It is possible the followers of Jesus completely made him up, but I have no reason to accept this assertion given the fact that the character and actions of Jesus are extremely human for most of the gospel stories which is otherwise completely absent from Roman and Egyptian myths, as well as from the Hebrew myths themselves. Even Elijah does more miraculous things than Jesus, calling down fire from heaven. Moses brings a mass killing plague of darkness. Noah has all the animals miraculously follow him prior to a worldwide flood.
The Jesus of the, primarily synoptic, Gospels, displays very few superhuman powers - only a few parlor tricks other than allegedly raising some people from dead.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088094
48131059,48137919,2015-07-16 23:09:10,">>48131653
De-facto Atheist, parents never took me to religious school or tried to convert me to a religion (my dad is catholic but basically keeps it to himself).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088150
48131059,48138021,2015-07-16 23:11:41,">>48137616
nah man",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088301
48131059,48138025,2015-07-16 23:11:47,">>48133832
>what is your story? How did you become an atheist?
Pertaining to being an atheist, nothing interesting.
""Hey mom, why's this in the Bible?"" (quote weird thing from Bible)
""That's not in the Bible!""
""...okay then""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088307
48131059,48138073,2015-07-16 23:12:56,">>48135043
The government is a concept, that concept being a set of laws and social norms, along with economical practices mutually agreed upon by a large group of people. 
The government could also be defined in a purely material sense as all the people and infrastructure that directly serve to maintain a stable nation, collectively called ""The Government"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088376
48131059,48138079,2015-07-16 23:13:05,"Atheism gave rise to SJWism, that alone should give any moral person cause to pause and consider the consequences of a philosophy that encourages moral relativism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437088385
48131059,48138104,2015-07-16 23:13:30,">>48134889
No. Atheist means you lack theism. It doesn't mean you have a particular opinion on theism (other than you don't personally believe it) or on anything tangential.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088410
48131059,48138193,2015-07-16 23:15:42,">>48138079
>Atheism gave rise to SJWism
No. Judaism and Christianity did.
The civil rights movement was heavily backed by the church.
>philosophy that encourages moral relativism.
Moral relativism is absurd.
There are no objective morals to begin with.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088542
48131059,48138194,2015-07-16 23:15:42,>>48138079,,Anonymous,1436740621872.png,sGd29cAra/4/Vic8PsQlmg==,US,,1437088542
48131059,48138270,2015-07-16 23:17:15,">>48138079
>Atheism gave rise to SJWism
No, SJWism (Bolshevism) promotes atheism as a useful tool for undermining western society. Atheism was legal in Nazi Germany, for example, Bolshevism was absolutely not accepted.",,Anonymous,EAgle.png,ogI9eTRmcA2G56uumZelZg==,US,,1437088635
48131059,48138283,2015-07-16 23:17:31,">>48138079
And this",,Anonymous,1436824467533.jpg,HcotnFLKHlLqQJCpwbucnw==,US,,1437088651
48131059,48138318,2015-07-16 23:18:37,">>48138193
>No. Judaism and Christianity did.
The vast majority of the SJW movement are atheist. There is a clear connection between lack of faith and degenerate liberal belief.",,Anonymous,Sweden Yes.png,oGP3txpYErIflftVfqrlZQ==,AU,,1437088717
48131059,48138396,2015-07-16 23:20:20,">>48138283
>>48138194
Dawkins is a bad example because he had a temper tantrum over not being able to break airport security rules to bring a jar of honey on board a plane with him, he's a petulant intellectual manlet.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437088820
48131059,48138400,2015-07-16 23:20:34,">>48138318
It doesn't matter.
SJW exist because of Jews and Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088834
48131059,48138430,2015-07-16 23:21:15,">>48138079
>A single opinion on the existence of god/gods gives rise to a very religion-like ideology based primarily on feelings and unproven claims, requiring an almost religious adherence to a set of behaviors, which also guides and restricts how members think and demands they ""listen and believe"" regardless of contrary evidence. 
I don't think you know what you're talking about m8. 
Any atheist who becomes a 3rd wave feminist has basically given up the thing that made them an atheist, that thing being skeptical thinking and an ability to evaluate evidence. 
The atheists who are also feminists are both for the same reason, because their edgy hipsters who don't do either for good reasons. They do it because they want to be activists and feel moral, just like some religious people do it not for evident reasons but because they want to feel good and morally superior to someone else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437088875
48131059,48138444,2015-07-16 23:21:34,>>48138318,,Anonymous,1436738198511.png,lDubl8Q/v8fyyunf2SExyA==,US,,1437088894
48131059,48138552,2015-07-16 23:24:13,">>48135261
The main issue is that American Christians are fucking convinced that 3% of the population is actually the majority and out to get them.
>I hear that as a group, you guys are more mistrusted than Muslims.
Hm, well we are more discriminated against than muslims or homosexuals. Like being a muslim or homosexual, other people can only tell if you feel the need to show it off in public.
>How does the media portray atheism?
I don't see much media comments.
>Is it still a massive social stigma in the States?
Only worse than being a gay muslim... so not very.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089053
48131059,48138588,2015-07-16 23:24:58,">>48138396
>Dawkins is a bad example because he had a temper tantrum over not being able to break airport security rules to bring a jar of honey on board a plane with him
Good for him, equal treatment of well known white males with Muslim third world immigrant theocrats is absurd.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089098
48131059,48138600,2015-07-16 23:25:24,">>48131653
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and honestly believed it until I was around 14, then I learned about evolution and realized that there was no way that Adam and Eve could be real people, and therefore the whole idea of original sin(which we need jesus to forgive us for) is wrong, and kind of toppled the whole foundation of christianity.
After that I was some sort of wishy washy deist for a while until I asked myself, why do I even believe in this sort of deistic god? I couldn't give my self an honest answer so I realized I had no reason to believe it and became an agnostic atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089124
48131059,48138637,2015-07-16 23:26:33,">>48137132
Ya. Don't forget to watch teh vid. It's good and exposes the hypocrisy of Protestant Christians given you know...sola scriptura",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437089193
48131059,48138697,2015-07-16 23:28:14,">>48138552
>American Christians are fucking convinced that 3% of the population is actually the majority and out to get them.
That's because it's accurate that there is a substantial portion of society deliberately attacking Christians. For example, that nice Christian couple who got fined by the state because they could not conscionably bake a cake for a gay wedding.",,Anonymous,GodsChosenPeople.png,h9VtALB4z+H0o001UZqGww==,US,,1437089294
48131059,48138712,2015-07-16 23:28:39,">>48131653
I hate it when I feel that someone is bullshitting me",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437089319
48131059,48138757,2015-07-16 23:29:44,">>48138697
There are actual laws in US states prohibiting an atheist from holding public office.
Now tell my about how your super-majority is so oppressed?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089384
48131059,48138760,2015-07-16 23:29:50,">>48138697
So you have an issue with anti-discrimination laws?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089390
48131059,48138762,2015-07-16 23:29:52,,,Anonymous,yep.jpg,TkVPmOl0YKYMbkU13+wsEQ==,US,,1437089392
48131059,48138798,2015-07-16 23:30:35,">>48138697
>help me I'm a victim 
Christians confirmed SJW feminists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089435
48131059,48138844,2015-07-16 23:31:51,">>48138270
Good point. Promotion of Atheism and restriction or outright banning of religion in Communist dictatorships would surely be an indication of who the power brokers see as the real threat to the power structure of a nation. People with no moral objectivism are more easily able to swallow the propaganda and construct a logical framework for why throwing people in gulags and executing dissenters isn't wrong. Just like the acceptance of homosexual marriage in the US, a vast majority of atehists construct reasons for why gay marriage is logically correct and contribute futher to the moral degeneracy of western society.
I don't hate Atheists, but I believe there are serious concerns about any philosophy that allows such a broad range of moral views and lacks to conviction to call any of them objectively wrong",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437089511
48131059,48138889,2015-07-16 23:32:47,">>48136674
HOLY SHIT
I looked it up and you are right. What's more it's not in an obscure part of the bible. It's literally the line right after it describes Jesus dying on the cross.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089567
48131059,48138952,2015-07-16 23:34:20,">>48138844
>People with no moral objectivism are more easily able to swallow the propaganda
Like religion?
There are no objective morals.
But we CAN make moral judgements in spite of that.
I can't PROVE boxers are ""better"" than briefs, but I can call you a despicable faggot for liking briefs and hold to that belief
I thought you people were all about ""faith""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089660
48131059,48138953,2015-07-16 23:34:20,">>48131059
Your daily, ""DER IS ONLEH CHRISTURN AND ATHBIESHT MMKAY?"" thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089660
48131059,48138969,2015-07-16 23:34:41,">>48138844
The problem with all of this is that you seem to believe Atheism is some kind of life philosophy. 
It isn't, its very simply the rejection of a belief in god, because that god, or its followers have failed to convince an individual that there is reason to believe. 
That's why the range of moral views is broad, because Atheism is not and never was meant to provide some kind of structure for a person to live their lives by.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089681
48131059,48138979,2015-07-16 23:34:56,">>48138757
>There are actual laws in US states prohibiting an atheist from holding public office.
>Now tell my about how your super-majority is so oppressed?
I am an atheist dipshit. I don't really see how the fact that the legislature of a few states has some inappropriate laws means that your average Christian business owner should be subjected to fines because they cannot support homosexual marriage in good conscience.
That's quite the arbitrary Bolshevik rage you have there. If I were supreme dictator I would force every school in Anglo countries to teach Pilgrim's Progress as it's part of the cultural heritage.",,Anonymous,Brev.png,zOV40fmA7ZHTY/NJ7kK7pg==,US,,1437089696
48131059,48138995,2015-07-16 23:35:11,">>48138697
>That's because it's accurate that there is a substantial portion of society deliberately attacking Christians
Trying to blame atheists for jews and other Christians harassing them with them is pretty damn stupid. They choose to equate being a Christian with being a good person and being an atheist with a bad person, and consider the anodyne to every social ill is more Jesus, despite that the most violent and criminal segments of society are also the least atheistic.
I should generally keep it in mind next time I feel sorry for some ruling against Christians that any compassion I feel towards them is strictly one way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089711
48131059,48139051,2015-07-16 23:36:56,">>48138697
If a substantial portion of society is attacking poor victimized Christians, then odds are that portion of society is itself Christian. 
Christians are a supermajority in our country, the large majority of every group of people is going to be Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437089816
48131059,48139116,2015-07-16 23:38:56,">>48138844
>implying believing in god makes you a good person by default
top fucking kek. 
Also western society is OK: strong and far away from collapse.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437089936
48131059,48139171,2015-07-16 23:40:28,">>48138844
>a vast majority of atehists construct reasons for why gay marriage is logically correct and contribute futher to the moral degeneracy of western society.
Tell us more about this vast majority of 3% of the population. Show your figures. What atheist politician has been harming Christians lately? 
>but I believe there are serious concerns about any philosophy that allows such a broad range of moral views and lacks to conviction to call any of them objectively wrong
Christianity has just as broad of a range of moral views. Unfortunately, Christians use ""objective"" as a synonym for ""their subjective opinion about what God's subjective opinion is,"" and that does not mean Christians have any stronger morals, or any more consistent morals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090028
48131059,48139239,2015-07-16 23:42:06,">>48138952
>There are no objective morals.
>But we CAN make moral judgements in spite of that.
You don't see a problem with that idea? It's all good while you're living in a society founded on Christian morality, what happens when the pendulum swings the majority of society agree on a definition of morality that conflicts with yours? You think that it's fine because there's no reason anyone could think rape and murder is fine, but thats because you've grown up in a culture that has founded it's moral beliefs on the Bible for hundreds of years. It turns out that in shitholes without that Christian influence, they rape and murder more! Go figure, if people naturally know that such things are wrong then there shouldn't be any difference.
And it's not being alarmist either, it's happening right now. 30 years ago the majority of the western world saw homosexuality as a perversion and something to be condemned, now with the atheist SJW brigade at the forefront gay marriage is being legalised everywhere. How long will it before polygamy or pedophilia is normalised? At what point do you stand up and say 'Hey this is wrong' and how can you possibly respond if the majority of society calls you a bigot for doing so.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437090126
48131059,48139241,2015-07-16 23:42:11,">>48139051
>If a substantial portion of society is attacking poor victimized Christians, then odds are that portion of society is itself Christian.
Some of them are Christians - left wing Bolshevik Christianity - like the kind Obama followed for years that really has little to do with traditional Christianity.
> poor victimized Christians
If you victimize Christians you victimize Christians - there's no ""oh, well, there's a majority of Christians so it's ok, but there's a minority of non-Christians, so it's not ok to persecute them.""
Even that is illogical, betraying the majority of culture for a small portion of society.",,Anonymous,Matzo.gif,RL3kQU7Q8wBELIvl9gywWg==,US,,1437090131
48131059,48139242,2015-07-16 23:42:12,">>48138600
Since there's this, here's my story of how I became Agnostic
Be me a Nominal Roman Catholic. Simply go for mass and don't really understand(The Sunday school I had kinda sucks, most go there to play and fool around). Then came my time at a Christian College. Went there, got exposed to Christianity through their Christian Fellowship(CF). Didn't care about it at first but start to realize something ""odd"" with their beliefs such as how everyone's spiritually dead. How one have to have faith alone in Jesus and cannot save themselves, how those that fall away aren't really Christians before to begin with. This spurred me to go into Christian theology. Also took psychology as A levels subject so I also read about it. At first I do my own Catholic theology. Ok still makes some sense. Then to the Evangelicals, can't even begin to wrap my head around it. Started to be uncertain about my beliefs. 
One day, while I read a introduction to psychology book during CF, I started to connect the dots and how the whole CF routine is mere psychological exploitation to get people to be Christians. How the worship is primed to give the euphoric feel of being in a concert. How the speakers often speak with confidence and charisma(many of them not all) and tell tales of miracles and ultimately from one twisted thing I learned from psych, Learned Helplessness which is considered unhealthy is a prevalent theme. The person is in danger and there's no escape. The only solution is God. Realize that this is simply psychological priming to get people to believe. 
Soon after, an Atheist came into CF and engaged in discussion. Learned a lot and sparked my interest in philosophy. Make me realize how the theology of the Evangelicals at the CF can't even answer the objections he raised up(i.e Problem of Evil, how we know which sect or religion is the true one, how do we know the Bible is true...etc). (P1)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437090132
48131059,48139414,2015-07-16 23:47:30,">>48139239
>It turns out that in shitholes without that Christian influence, they rape and murder more! 
Funny Japan seems to be doing fine.
The amount of crime in area has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with how wealthy the society is. In a society where food, clothing, and entertainment is all plentiful there is very little reason to commit crime.
Why risk years in jail when to get rape sex when you can just use craig's list to find some girl who is into BDSM? Why murder and steal when you can already afford so many great things?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090450
48131059,48139430,2015-07-16 23:47:50,">>48139242
>Soon after, an Atheist came into CF and engaged in discussion. Learned a lot and sparked my interest in philosophy. Make me realize how the theology of the Evangelicals at the CF can't even answer the objections he raised up(i.e Problem of Evil, how we know which sect or religion is the true one, how do we know the Bible is true...etc).
That atheist is the guy I aspire to be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090470
48131059,48139461,2015-07-16 23:48:30,">>48139239
> It turns out that in shitholes without that Christian influence, they rape and murder more!
Niggaz are as Christian as can be, but they rape and murder more. Whites are the most atheistic demographic in America, but they rape and murder less. Go figure! Not to mention that African Christians act like any other Christian.
If Christian morality isn't necessary for white people and doesn't change the behavior of black people in general, who the fuck is it for? Does it help anyone? 
>it's happening right now
Driven by, for example, a confirmed Christian president elected by Christians. Quit thinking southern baptists are the only kind of Christian in America. Most progressivism is rooted in Christian doctrine anyway.
>and how can you possibly respond if the majority of society calls you a bigot for doing so.
Who am I to dispute what the Christian majority thinks is objectively right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090510
48131059,48139508,2015-07-16 23:49:50,">>48139241
>so it's not ok to persecute them.""
>Even that is illogical, betraying the majority of culture for a small portion of society.
You're misunderstanding. Its not moral to persecute Christians because its a lot of them. It is stupid, however, that Christians blame atheists for persecuting them, when the people persecuting them are... ready? OTHER CHRISTIANS!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090590
48131059,48139542,2015-07-16 23:50:43,">>48139239
There isn't this black and white ""well its either everyone for themselves, or GAWD"". 
Theres also intersubjectivity, that's people coming to agreements on decisions, that's how societies come together, intersubjective agreements about working together for mutual benefit. 
Most of us have very basic morals without a social structure, like not wanting to be killed, stolen from, raped, ect. 
When a group of people come together, most of them already hold these basic tenants. When they create a council, or government to make major decisions, they make intersubjective agreements like ""None of us want to die right? We provably shouldn't kill eachother, so we'll create a law that forbids killing.""
>>48139241
It doesn't matter if its eebil left commie Christianity or good pure capitalist right Christianity, it is Christians because Christians are the supermajority. 
I never said its OK, I'm saying that atheists can't be blamed for something that by-and-large Christians will be doing to one-another. Even if every single Atheist and agnostic (so roughly 18-20% of society) were trying to persecute Christians, it would take the support of other Christians to actually vote in some kind of persecutory legislature. 
On top of that, its not oppressive to tell someone ""Look you can't openly be oppressive any more"". This is akin to a bully complaining because the teachers wont let him shove that nerdy faggot in the locker any more, and saying that somehow he is entitled to shove the kid in the locker.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090643
48131059,48139544,2015-07-16 23:50:43,">>48139242
With no adequate solution given by the teachers students, even the supposed smartest of Christians, I decided to dive into the Atheist vs Theist debate. While Theist do IMO put up quite a formidable defense on some fronts they don't really do the job that well on others such as the problem of evil, atonement, free will and foreknowledge, problem of hell and how even if we can make a good philosophical case for God, we can't really know which one? From here on, I became Agnostic though I kept it hidden from everyone I know.
While I'm agnostic, I still retain some interest in Christianity and I decided ""why not start from the bottom that is of the Church Fathers and work up from there?"" Thus I started diving into the History of Christianity and realize most of the stuff I heard at CF aren't even what the original Christians would've believed. They even made up some revisionist history and misrepresent key scientific figures to forward their agenda of Creationism. At this point I got a certain disdain for the Evangelical Christians in my college which simply strengthen my Agnosticism and skepticism towards the god they worship. Besides, if that god really exists, I rather burn forever than worship it. Still currently exploring the works of the Church Fathers and reading bits and pieces of the Reformation and shit out of interest. And that folks is how I became an Agnostic who reads about Christianity and shit.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437090643
48131059,48139546,2015-07-16 23:50:44,">>48138995
>They choose to equate being a Christian with being a good person and being an atheist with a bad person, and consider the anodyne to every social ill is more Jesus, despite that the most violent and criminal segments of society are also the least atheistic.
Many atheists in western society are heavily privileged educationally and therefore, frequently, financially in ways that many Christians are not. A lot of criminals will claim Christianity because that simply is their default culture despite the fact that a large number of criminals are hardly educated.
The irony of the Bolshevikized atheists is that if there ever were to be some sort of lower class uprising, the vast majority would be Christians and not middle class hipsters with humanities degrees.",,Anonymous,hitler-rally.jpg,UwuDiWSgPmf2LXd/YZHkSQ==,US,,1437090644
48131059,48139590,2015-07-16 23:51:47,">>48139542
>I'm saying that atheists can't be blamed for something that by-and-large Christians will be doing to one-another.
I blame leftist atheist groups for things the leftist atheists groups do to try to destroy the culture. The reality is it's mostly Jews doing it.",,Anonymous,Silverman.png,jI6UELJJCcut37v+53IjOQ==,US,,1437090707
48131059,48139620,2015-07-16 23:52:34,">>48131653
Went to cathechism (Parent didnt even push me, I went on my own)
Realized it's bullshit
That's it really",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1437090754
48131059,48139638,2015-07-16 23:53:08,">>48139241
the ""attacks on Christianity"" are fucking tickles. Getting a few of your statues taken away from public sites isn't an 'attack'.
If you want to see a real attack on Christianity you should go to Africa. The Christians and Muslims literally have street wars with ak47s to decide who controls what 'turf'. The religion of peace and the religion of love!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090788
48131059,48139660,2015-07-16 23:53:45,">>48139430
While the Atheist guy can be rash at times, I do find him more preferable than the Evangelicals at the CF during my time in college. After all he doesn't have the flair of arrogance that the CF seems to have. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even go deep into reading about Christianity and the Atheist-Theist debates going in in philosophy.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437090825
48131059,48139672,2015-07-16 23:54:02,">>48139546
>The irony of the Bolshevikized atheists is that if there ever were to be some sort of lower class uprising, the vast majority would be Christians and not middle class hipsters with humanities degrees.
Exactly. commissarcletuscopypasta.exe
It may just be me but the idea of class warfare leftism seems to be increasingly out of vogue, largely replaced with race warfare leftism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090842
48131059,48139706,2015-07-16 23:54:58,">>48139638
>the ""attacks on Christianity"" are fucking tickles. Getting a few of your statues taken away from public sites isn't an 'attack'.
It's absolutely an attack. I strongly and ubiquitously condemn the destruction of cultural symbolism as an atheist.",,Anonymous,zierscheiben_jpg.jpg,4rrzQMiA+kqrGSzFAimPIA==,US,,1437090898
48131059,48139719,2015-07-16 23:55:23,">>48139660
Exactly. Atheism is small but growing fast. I feel like just bringing up some common atheist arguments are enough to really influence people that have just never been exposed to it before (which is most people since there are so many religious people)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437090923
48131059,48139734,2015-07-16 23:55:41,">>48139672
>class warfare leftism seems to be increasingly out of vogue
That's because they realize the lower class is white Christians.",,Anonymous,Bolshevism.jpg,FCFzPkuqqnTaNnvgpjaLMg==,US,,1437090941
48131059,48139841,2015-07-16 23:58:20,">>48139544
I respect this. Would rather talk to a regular agnostic bro than a hardened atheist or Christian who over-romanticizes the Bible",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091100
48131059,48139843,2015-07-16 23:58:23,"Just a Christian popping into this thread to let you guys know I love you.
Whatever our differences are, it's important that you know it. And I don't love you in a ""see how holy I am, guise? I LOVE MY ENEMIES!!1!"" way... I mean I really do wish the best for your souls.
I can tell by reading this thread that there are many smart, logical people here. But I think much of the nihilism and cynicism on display here stems from a sin problem. I went through my secular phase, too, and I thought it was a logical decision. But nine times out of ten, it's a posture one takes on to explain away their own sinfulness and deny any need for repentance.
Anyway, as a fellow human being I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you that you should repent and come to Christ. He'll take this burden off your shoulders and wash you free from sin. It's a free gift.
In fact, it's so simple that intelligent people have a hard time accepting his love. You must humble yourselves as children... that's all. But I'm preaching now, and I'll just shut the fuck up and go back to reading your bantz.
I pray you can join us and become brothers in Christ. No matter what they say about us, we love you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091103
48131059,48139889,2015-07-16 23:59:44,Can Elon Musk be our emperor? He's affirmed in the past that he's a materialist.,,Anonymous,spacexdragon.jpg,I5hikEgWODyt9vXKDvH1uQ==,US,,1437091184
48131059,48139929,2015-07-17 00:00:49,">>48139843
Fedora-chan love you too",,Anonymous,26114585.jpg,z1/ta7Unw/vJ2reQv/4rPQ==,US,,1437091249
48131059,48139941,2015-07-17 00:01:08,">>48139843
>Just a Christian popping into this thread to let you guys know I love you.
Aw, that's so sweet! I-
>I really do wish the best for your souls.
Oh. You're trying to recruit
>I pray you can join us and become brothers in Christ. No matter what they say about us, we love you.
Yep, recruitment. By love bombing even, tried and true cult technique.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091268
48131059,48139982,2015-07-17 00:02:13,">>48139941
Don't you know you are an atheist only because you're afraid to admit your sins to God? :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091333
48131059,48140026,2015-07-17 00:03:13,">>48139982
I'm not an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091393
48131059,48140071,2015-07-17 00:04:27,">>48140026
Why are you a theist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091467
48131059,48140147,2015-07-17 00:06:35,">>48139542
Yes, that is true, let me rephrase my concern. Christians derive their morality from an unchanging document, the Bible, they believe certain things are wrong because the Bible tells them so and believe that certain virtues are rewarded. 
Should there not also be a secular document for Atheists that codifies in no uncertain terms what their moral stance is and enshrine it so it cannot be changed so it guides our society not only now but ensures we won't fall prey to excess and collapse?
You might point to the US Bill of Rights as such a document, and indeed that does enshrine the rights of people in the US however even that is not immune to change, there are a vocal group who want the 2nd amendment abolished because it's 'out of date' for example.
The point is the morals of the Bible are pretty good, they've guided the development of Europe and by extension all the nations Europe created through colonization. To ensure the same for a secular nation surely there needs to be a document immune from change that makes sure that the set of values you all agree to is enjoyed not only by yourselves but by your ancestors as well",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437091595
48131059,48140197,2015-07-17 00:08:23,">>48134979
>he believes in a magic sky fairy
That's a shame kiddo",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1437091703
48131059,48140202,2015-07-17 00:08:31,">>48140147
Why would you pick one thing and stick with it forever? Why not just continually pick the best thing as the world changes and new information is gained?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091711
48131059,48140212,2015-07-17 00:08:46,">>48139734
Alexander was of course talking about the Jews. They were the Bolsheviks. And your response to Alexander's quote is that the Christians deserved what they got for being inferior? Try harder next time goyim. Don't subvert me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091726
48131059,48140249,2015-07-17 00:10:00,">>48140147
>You might point to the US Bill of Rights as such a document, and indeed that does enshrine the rights of people in the US however even that is not immune to change,",,Anonymous,hitla.jpg,UiYLacvmog1rT6oydkAVIQ==,US,,1437091800
48131059,48140330,2015-07-17 00:11:54,">>48139843
Oh how nice, a non passive aggressive, non-sanctimonious Christian, how n-
>But nine times out of ten, it's a posture one takes on to explain away their own sinfulness and deny any need for repentance.
Spoke too soon.
See, if you just omitted the whole smarmy ""you're a closeted Christian, you're just going through a phase"" thing, you'd not have tainted your entire post with smugness.
You have to remember that the Christian doctrine of sin genuinely does not click for most atheists. Most atheists do not view being born as a capitol offense. Most atheists do not view living life according to your personal principles as a capitol offense.
If you just came to the thread to be smug and talk down to people but intersperse it with ""j/k I love you,"" what's the point? 
Do you really think telling other people their beliefs are just a phase and that they know you're right is going to make them like your religion more?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091914
48131059,48140346,2015-07-17 00:12:14,">>48140212
>And your response to Alexander's quote is that the Christians deserved what they got for being inferior?
No, if you observe my posts on this thread you'll notice I'm quite I'm a National Socialist. My point is that Bolshevism such as is found in contemporary western atheism and was found in early Russia was simply the result of a philosophy dedicated to exterminating Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437091934
48131059,48140392,2015-07-17 00:13:31,">>48140330
You'll grow out of it anon. Everyone knows atheists are just edgy teens in their parents' basement quoting Richard Dawkins to impress their friends :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092011
48131059,48140428,2015-07-17 00:14:30,">>48140202
Because 50 years from now students will be learning the Encylopedia of Personal Pronouns from the School of Genderqueerism. What is obvious now will not always be obvious and if you want to go from basing morality on a religious document as has been the case in Europe for most of modern history, to a secular idea then your thoughts need to turn to how do we ensure that 500 years from now people still mock and laugh at Tumblrites rather than being them",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437092070
48131059,48140474,2015-07-17 00:15:53,">>48136766
There is a third option: shit just doesnt make sense yet because we dont know enough about it.
Cause and effect is a temporal concept which is not guaranteed to be valid outside of the universe we inhabit. The concept of a causeless consequence doesn't make a bit of sense inside our own frame of reference, it might make alot more sense as we figure out what the heck happened way back when the universe began. The only correct answer for this (right now) is ""I dont know, but we're going to look into it"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092153
48131059,48140484,2015-07-17 00:16:04,">>48140147
The Bible hasn't helped Christians stay consistent over the centuries. Atheists worshiping a piece of paper wouldn't do much either.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092164
48131059,48140501,2015-07-17 00:16:30,">>48139719
Yes it is. However if you ask me part of this is actually the consequence of the Reformation. The problems with the theology of the Reformers and the seeds the Reformers themselves planted both caused the rise of Atheism we see today. The Reformers created a world that is separate from God and this lead to the infamous God of the Gaps argument used by Evangelicals. The world simply became a machine rather than one of wonder and mystery. This is also supported by Max Weber's disenchantment thesis where we move from polytheism, monotheism to rejecting religion all together. The Reformation seemed to foster the space for this growth, leading to what we see today, the result of a theological system riffled with problems, hostile to science and having a world that is separated from God himself.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437092190
48131059,48140508,2015-07-17 00:16:52,">>48140428
So what if they made the immutable document during this hypothetical future? Do you see why a document like this would not be a wise decision?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092212
48131059,48140512,2015-07-17 00:16:56,">>48140392
>You'll grow out of it anon. Everyone knows atheists are just edgy teens in their parents' basement quoting Richard Dawkins to impress their friends
I would rather die than readopt American Evangelicalism with it's tacky hucksterism and intellectual vapidity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbXq8jnFK08",,Anonymous,Evolution.png,ZEG+PIiuLOc4ojo2Kj7w4Q==,US,,1437092216
48131059,48140572,2015-07-17 00:18:47,">>48131653
I was raised as a Presbyterian. Went to a Catholic school. Seeing conflicting stuff made me read about the history of both. Read about more religions. Got mugged and God didn't help (little kid at the time) and wondered why. Thought about stuff, read some more stuff. Thought to myself ""People just want to believe in God/s because they are scared. That's dumb. I don't want to do that anymore."" Of course individual religions can have their doctrines broken down on why they're stupid, but that's why I don't believe in any deities in general..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092327
48131059,48140591,2015-07-17 00:19:15,">>48136892
You cant just say someone is real just because some religious book says they are either. And Im saying there are NO CONTEMPORARY RECORDS OR MENTION OF JESUS.
Thats a big fucking deal. You have contemporary records all over the place of, for example: Mohammed, or Ramses, or Caesar Augustus, or a dozen other actual historical figures associated with religion, the same is absolutely not true of Moses or Jesus, they may or may not have existed, but the large majority of people just assume that he did and dont actually investigate.
Again when you actually look at this shit, the first actual reference to jesus was around 95 AD and looks an aweful lot like someone inserted it into the text much later, ironically probably in an attempt to give some hard evidence for Jesus to point to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092355
48131059,48140622,2015-07-17 00:20:01,Is Apatheism welcome,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092401
48131059,48140645,2015-07-17 00:20:39,">>48139841
Thanks Ameri-bro.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437092439
48131059,48140656,2015-07-17 00:20:50,">>48140346
>A philosophy dedicated to exterminating Christianity.
I bet no one will ever guess which philosophy that is.
History was a light subject in high school. I wonder why.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092450
48131059,48140658,2015-07-17 00:20:52,">>48131653
I read The God Delusion when I was 14.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437092452
48131059,48140675,2015-07-17 00:21:22,">>48140392
Though honestly, basements don't sound like bad places to live. Too bad they don't have them here commonly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092482
48131059,48140684,2015-07-17 00:21:38,">>48140622
>Apatheism, also known as pragmatic atheism or practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief or disbelief in a deity.
Of course :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092498
48131059,48140750,2015-07-17 00:23:25,">>48135043
FULL retard",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437092605
48131059,48140758,2015-07-17 00:23:36,">>48140071
http://www.inkitt.com/stories/6670",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092616
48131059,48140787,2015-07-17 00:24:22,">>48140684
Cool, I lived in a small town and it was always easier to just say Atheist because Apatheism was unknown to most",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092662
48131059,48140927,2015-07-17 00:28:18,">>48140787
I just tell people I'm not religious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092898
48131059,48140980,2015-07-17 00:29:41,">>48138979
>I have a business open to the public!
>OK well we want a cake
>b-b-but you dont meet my retarded moral standard
>Well I mean, you started up a business and opened up the door bro, why cant we just get our cake
If you want to restrict your clientele then dont pretend you're a public place of business.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437092981
48131059,48141018,2015-07-17 00:31:01,">>48140147
>from an unchanging document, the Bible,
top kek, unchanging since when?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437093061
48131059,48141019,2015-07-17 00:31:02,">>48131059
It was fun to explain this picture to my wife.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093062
48131059,48141075,2015-07-17 00:32:47,">>48141019
Original artist says she put the dorito in her hat cause she was saving it for later, but forgot about it and got a new bag.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093167
48131059,48141195,2015-07-17 00:36:09,">>48140591
>ou have contemporary records all over the place of, for example: Mohammed, or Ramses, or Caesar Augustus
That's because all these people were political leaders who led entire armies. Jesus had a small following and was executed by the state. Use your brain when you speak.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093369
48131059,48141234,2015-07-17 00:37:17,">>48139239
Moral judgements should be based on reality, not on some crazy shit some assholes wrote down a few thousand years ago.
You know, reality like:
Hey it fucking hurts when people punch me. Lets not do that anymore.
Hey it sucks when someone comes up and kills me or rapes me. Lets make that illegal.
Hey its pretty much a bummer when Im owned by another person like Im a fucking farm implement. Lets not do that anymore.
Simple human empathy and your own biological feedback mechanisms form the basis of morality, not what God thinks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093437
48131059,48141264,2015-07-17 00:37:50,I think someone should make a picture with both Christ-chan and Fedora-chan,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093470
48131059,48141276,2015-07-17 00:38:04,">>48139590
>Jews don't want you to practice a Jew religion",,Anonymous,TyIKZv1.jpg,xf1RRHqEPAxC0mEZfngrbw==,US,,1437093484
48131059,48141296,2015-07-17 00:38:29,">>48140980
>If you want to restrict your clientele then dont pretend you're a public place of business.
That is an attack on religion, like I said. It says you can't do business if you hold religious beliefs. Religious people are right when they say they are under attack because they are under attack.",,Anonymous,good-goy.jpg,FPT3mFLgOL01a3tR5G+YDg==,US,,1437093509
48131059,48141330,2015-07-17 00:39:11,">>48141195
So what? No one has proof he existed, but 99% of people in the west are convinced he did. Thats just crazy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093551
48131059,48141359,2015-07-17 00:39:51,">>48141276
>>Jews don't want you to practice a Jew religion
Jews despise Christianity - probably mostly because it was birthed out of the Roman Empire. Jews believe in vengeance and collective punishment.",,Anonymous,Arch_of_titus_2.jpg,1rUS+f8dYrweilSx8uAVBw==,US,,1437093591
48131059,48141393,2015-07-17 00:40:55,">>48141330
>So what? No one has proof he existed
The Greek Scriptures are not simply a religious document - they are also a historiographical source.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093655
48131059,48141398,2015-07-17 00:41:04,">>48141296
>My aztec religion dictates I must sacrifice at dawn after any transaction
>No, no I don't think so.
See how that works? You can have your own religion in your own space, but if you have a public business or your religion hurts other people, you can fuck right off.
You have freedom of religion, not freedom of shitting on people and using your religion as an excuse.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093664
48131059,48141454,2015-07-17 00:42:31,">>48141296
>That is an attack on religion, like I said. It says you can't do business if you hold religious beliefs.
Exactly. I don't understand why people don't realize this.
The counterargument is always ""go into a different line of work"". But that isn't based on any principles whatsoever, and assumes that there are always alternatives, or that the alternatives are equally good.
The truth is, these laws punish the religious, and take away freedom.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093751
48131059,48141505,2015-07-17 00:43:55,">>48141398
>you have a public business or your religion hurts other people, you can fuck right off.
Failing to sell a fag cake for a wedding is not hurting anyone any more than if I asked a Jewish baker to make me a Nazi themed cake and he refused me.
This is how you faggot atheists look to me and I despise you more than I hate Pentecostals and I really hate Pentecostals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0OOEo0k2k",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093835
48131059,48141507,2015-07-17 00:43:57,">>48141234
I see your point and understand what you mean. Though I have seen the same point made before and the words were twisted around in order to appease their agenda. Rather dangerous. Sometimes, it's a necessity to go beyond our own thoughts and feelings to look for solid moral reasoning",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093837
48131059,48141513,2015-07-17 00:44:06,"I don't understand what I'm supposed to talk about. I don't believe in a deity or deities, what more is there to say?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437093846
48131059,48141525,2015-07-17 00:44:22,>>48137532,,Anonymous,1437106952892.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,US,,1437093862
48131059,48141549,2015-07-17 00:45:07,>>48141359,,Anonymous,The Christ.png,YETkEiZtYCikR/JwwaEPig==,US,,1437093907
48131059,48141572,2015-07-17 00:45:46,">>48141398
So I can ask a Jewish baker to make a Swastika flag cake and sue them if they refuse?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437093946
48131059,48141620,2015-07-17 00:47:28,"I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
Humans need miracles and magic not because they exist but because we WANT them to do. A world without myth and superstition is like the Vulcans from Star Trek: cold, logical, and alien. There may be less suffering, more scientific advancement, but there is no mystery.
Humans want an unknown. We want where there are magical girls fighting for us, protecting us, we never see them but we know they are there 'because of faith'. We want all the evil's of the world to be caused by shadowy witches and demons.
We want dragons, demons, spirits, ghosts, Gods, avatars, miracles and magic.
It's so much more exciting, more colorful, than explaining all the world as being math equations and chemical interactions all detailed in boring scienetific terms. We don't want to be Vulcans.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094048
48131059,48141675,2015-07-17 00:48:59,">>48141398
You're acting like the Freedom from Religion Foundation doesn't exist solely to actively find ways to screw religious people of any kind over. That is their objective, and they're damned proud of it.
>>48141525
>this image will become a critique of a critique of a critique of a critique of a critique of a critique in your lifetime",,Anonymous,1436668558006.jpg,4yOo9QwbLC5Dl3iRbRSeuA==,US,,1437094139
48131059,48141699,2015-07-17 00:49:40,">>48141296
>>48141454
>It says you can't do business if you hold religious beliefs.
It says you can't do business if you want to discriminate against people. Religion has fuck all to do with it and there's no reason to think atheists are behind it.
Discrimination is fine if its about how you choose to use your property, anyway. 
Its fine if Christians choose to take it as an attack on religion, but when practically fucking everyone in the society, including those in power, are religious, it doesn't make much sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094180
48131059,48141711,2015-07-17 00:49:59,">>48141572
To be fair businesses should have a right to refuse service. Capitalism is based on a mutually agree'd transaction. Forcing one party to do a transaction is anti-capitalistic. 
If a Christian bakery wants to lose money by not servicing a growing part of the market that's their fucking choice.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094199
48131059,48141720,2015-07-17 00:50:10,">>48141075
That was her theory too.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094210
48131059,48141732,2015-07-17 00:50:22,">>48141398
>You can have your own religion in your own space
You're a moron who hasn't thought through the logic of what you are saying.
Here is the truth, you have to work to make a living. Either you can work for yourself, or you can work for someone else.
Pretty much all businesses are ""public"". So if you are demanding anyone who is operating a ""public business"" to obey any arbitrary rules forced by the government. Then in an essence, the only option you are leaving them, is to work for someone else. But if their only option is to work for someone else, who themselves have to follow these rules. Then are they really escaping them?
Isn't the actual outcome of such a requirement, to take away someone's ability to even have a livelihood at all? Aren't you really giving them only two options, ""Do as we say, or be homeless and a beggar"".
No one has a ""right"" to my labor, period. Especially not in the case that by providing my labor, it would be in violation of my religious beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094222
48131059,48141843,2015-07-17 00:53:14,">>48141675
>You're acting like the Freedom from Religion Foundation doesn't exist solely to actively find ways to screw religious people of any kind over. That is their objective, and they're damned proud of it.
I was an atheist before I'd ever even heard of Dawkins, Hitchens, FFRF,or any of that as I didn't follow pop culture very well. I was somewhat horrified to discover that other atheists didn't think like me at all and were actively dedicated to destroying western civilization.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094394
48131059,48141912,2015-07-17 00:55:07,">>48141620
>Humans need
C'mon, no we don't.
>A world without myth and superstition is like the Vulcans from Star Trek: cold, logical, and alien. 
>We don't want to be Vulcans.
Thank you for the vote of confidence, but atheists aren't logical ubermensch space elves. I don't view anything about atheism as ""cold"" either. I don't view logic and rationality as the end all be all either.
Fiction is completely fine, and I like fiction. We don't have to blur the line between fiction and nonfiction though.
And I don't see how chemical interactions aren't exciting and colorful. I don't find there to be anything inspiring or exciting about facts of nature being so because some guy decided them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094507
48131059,48141951,2015-07-17 00:56:17,">>48141525
That critique basically boils down to
>my metaphysics is better than your actual physics
>I'm gonna make more baseless assertions about the nature of god to explain away your argument
>I didn't understand what the atheist wrote so I'm gonna argue against a strawman
In addition it doesn't explain the points raised here. >>48136405",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094577
48131059,48142053,2015-07-17 00:59:18,,,Anonymous,retardatheists.png,jRlI1sYCdIwp4IYyuYSS+Q==,US,,1437094758
48131059,48142072,2015-07-17 00:59:52,">>48141699
>It says you can't do business if you want to discriminate against people. Religion has fuck all to do with it and there's no reason to think atheists are behind it.
Look, I'm a libertarian, I don't agree with any anti-discrimination laws anyway. But I don't see how it is right to force a religious person to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
The logic behind this is, ""To live, you have to work"", and ""If you work, you have to do whatever the government demands of you, regardless if it goes against your religion"".
As I said, it becomes ""Do as we say, or be a homeless beggar"".
I find that to be absolutely evil.
But I agree with you, most people claim to be Christians. But I'm not convinced that the majority of them truly are Christians. They are really just cultural Christians.
For instance, Obama might call himself a Christian, but is he? I would say that the vast majority of Congress for instance, should not be labeled Christians. And Harry Reid is supposed to be a Mormon? Give me a break.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094792
48131059,48142103,2015-07-17 01:00:43,">>48142053
Niggers in the US are more likely to be Christian. Does Christianity cause niggerism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094843
48131059,48142120,2015-07-17 01:01:36,">>48141620
>A world without myth and superstition is like the Vulcans from Star Trek: cold, logical, and alien.
Watch these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094896
48131059,48142160,2015-07-17 01:02:26,">>48131059
I find death the beginning of it all, my blade of shadows shall purge you like ground meat",,Anonymous,edge.jpg,5TUIrtPWw1Wsxn3StqrYBw==,PH,,1437094946
48131059,48142172,2015-07-17 01:02:48,">>48142103
You are full of nonsense go take your pills.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437094968
48131059,48142286,2015-07-17 01:06:45,">>48141620
""Magic"" exists because there are phenomena that we can't explain with present knowledge/technology, not because we want it to be that way.
It's not that people want fantastic stories that they believe in religion, you can get that just as easily from reading fiction. What they want is meaning to their lives- that it's not all for naught at the end of the 60-100 year struggle.
>>48141843
I don't think they're aware of it, they think that secularization is good for the advancement of western society. But it really brings down the native population growth and weakens nations.
Atheists dream of a world where people interested in the universe around us will eventually take to the stars, but I honestly think it's more likely that the humans colonizing other worlds will be doing it to spread the name of their god(s).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437095205
48131059,48142291,2015-07-17 01:06:53,">>48141912
Again I'm just playing devils advocate here.
Fiction is fine but it's temporary. When you put the book down, turn the game off, or the movie ends you are back in this world.
One of the saddest fantasy books ever is The Last Unicorn, about the end of a mystical creature. What's even sadder is that we never had unicorns to begin with!
We used to have Unicorns on earth. Earth used to be enchanted. Every day the sun would rise because Apollo would pull it on his chariot. The night would come because the Goddess Nut would cover the world in her shroud. The thunder storm's were caused by demons on a distant mountain.
We have no unicorns, gods, or demons anymore.
Why is superstition not preferable to reality? Why is escapism not better than objectivity? The reason fantasy and scifi fiction is so popular (even in the mainstream audience with things like Avangers) is because we are trying to replace what was lost by religions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437095213
48131059,48142469,2015-07-17 01:12:26,">>48142286
>I don't think they're aware of it, they think that secularization is good for the advancement of western society. But it really brings down the native population growth and weakens nations.
>Atheists dream of a world where people interested in the universe around us will eventually take to the stars, but I honestly think it's more likely that the humans colonizing other worlds will be doing it to spread the name of their god(s).
""The political leader should not estimate the worth of a religion by taking some of its shortcomings into account, but he should ask himself whether there be any practical substitute in a view which is demonstrably better. Until such a substitute be available, only fools and criminals would think of abolishing existing religion."" - Adolf Hitler",,Anonymous,bolshevismus_ohne_maske.png,AWVGObTyCerizrmYWd6+vQ==,US,,1437095546
48131059,48142482,2015-07-17 01:12:50,">>48142072
>But I don't see how it is right to force a religious person to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
Its not. The implications of them phrasing it as a religious liberty thing intead of a logical libertarian thing are:
1. It works better (so I ultimately approve)
2. That its the atheists coming to make you make gay cakes.
3. That people don't deserve to discriminate without religion being involved.
The last two are iffy, but that does seem to be the implication. Christians really need to make peace with the fact that belief in God does not put you on the same side. To be its a necessary evil but it is also a reminder that they really fucking hate atheists.
>For instance, Obama might call himself a Christian, but is he?
I've never been impressed by the whole mudflinging between Christians about how ""oh, those conservatives aren't real Christians, they don't care for the poor!"" ""oh, leftists aren't real Christians, they're secretly atheists!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437095570
48131059,48142534,2015-07-17 01:14:20,>this thread,,Anonymous,1433455982664.png,n8UoWbG8g1+XLbOUZlni5w==,SE,,1437095660
48131059,48142629,2015-07-17 01:16:48,">>48142291
>The reason fantasy and scifi fiction is so popular (even in the mainstream audience with things like Avangers) is because we are trying to replace what was lost by religions.
You can't just erase the last ~2000 years of literary fiction that was written by the religious. Tolkien was influenced by his Christianity when making Middle-Earth, and C.S. Lewis when making Narnia. But their fiction wasn't meant a replacement to it. It was separate.
>>48142469
More or less, yeah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437095808
48131059,48142792,2015-07-17 01:21:15,">>48142291
>is because we are trying to replace what was lost by religions.
But most fantasy fans are religious. Not sure about scifi. D&D, Middle Earth and Narnia were all made by Christians. Religion did not satisfy their need for fantasy.
There are plenty of marvelous things and things that may or may not exist, and may or may not exist in the future with an allegedly objective view of reality. 
I don't find religions to be more interesting as a way to view the world as real life. Your brain as a... ghost bag(?) is not more interesting to me than your brain as a pile of meat, lightning and elixirs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096075
48131059,48142813,2015-07-17 01:21:57,">>48132701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMex7qk5GU
You should add this to your list.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096117
48131059,48142855,2015-07-17 01:22:55,">>48142534
Christ-chan turning into Fedora-chan when?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096175
48131059,48142870,2015-07-17 01:23:27,">>48142482
>To be its a necessary evil but it is also a reminder that they really fucking hate atheists.
I believe it is a mutual hate.
This is a culture war, and the atheists and the political left want to destroy Christianity far more than the Christians and political right want to destroy atheism(and they are doing a much better job).
The political left is trying to shove same-sex marriage(among other things) down the throats of Christians.
Though you can argue that they deserve it, since they've been shoving CIS Christian values down everyone's throats for centuries.
I'm actually not even religious, as I said, I'm a libertarian, and I absolutely despise the liberal left and the cultural marxists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096207
48131059,48142930,2015-07-17 01:25:18,">>48142855
kek
Not by any arguments put fourth in this thread, that is for sure.",,Anonymous,bb1.png,RkPfYxFIcyC+VRp3E4KIzw==,SE,,1437096318
48131059,48143092,2015-07-17 01:29:50,">>48142930
She's just being Tsune. She secretly watches MLP and wears Dash panties. Has a fedora hidden in her closest and puts it on when no one is looking.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096590
48131059,48143105,2015-07-17 01:30:22,">>48143092
Niet.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437096622
48131059,48143180,2015-07-17 01:32:35,">>48142930
I'm not an artist",,Anonymous,transform.jpg,j/A/xlgz0BYUeZLNNAZsXQ==,US,,1437096755
48131059,48143223,2015-07-17 01:34:00,">>48143180
needs more tattoos and that retarded nose piercing that most girls have now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096840
48131059,48143234,2015-07-17 01:34:25,">>48142870
>I believe it is a mutual hate.
No, it is most definitely not mutual, by and large. Atheists are one of the most accepting, and easily the least accepted demographic of society. That includes with regards to Christianity.
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2014/09/Religion-Politics-09-24-PDF-for-web.pdf
>and the atheists and the political left want to destroy Christianity far more than the Christians and political right want to destroy atheism(and they are doing a much better job).
Not represented by information. I can understand taking your religion on faith; fine, whatever. Don't expect us to take your word for it that the Christians that don't fully agree with your political opinions are sekrit atheists. 
>The political left is trying to shove same-sex marriage(among other things) down the throats of Christians.
Christians trying to push their values on other Christians? Wow, better blame atheists!
>Though you can argue that they deserve it, 
They don't ""have it coming,"" but it is typically theist that theists persecute theists and blame atheists. Christians persecuting Christians who blame atheists is very similar to blacks shooting blacks and blaming whites. They're too scared to face the fact that their enemy is almost the same as they are.
>I'm actually not even religious, as I said
No, but you are a victim of Christian propaganda, to think atheists are out to get Christians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437096865
48131059,48143352,2015-07-17 01:37:33,">>48131059
Let me just say, there is no proof of god, nor will there ever be proof of god. And that is actually a good thing, regardless of if you are religious or not.
I mean, what would be the point of life if god made himself constantly known? What is the point of a test where the teacher tells you all of the answers? Isn't it far better to try to figure it out on our own?
With that said, I think it is completely irrational to believe that life, this amazing boundless life, was a meaningless accident.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097053
48131059,48143398,2015-07-17 01:38:53,">>48143234
Maybe YOU aren't, but there are organizations like the Freedom from Religion Foundation that are doing everything they can to destroy religion. They're the ones telling people to go to little stores, ask a teenage clerk a baiting question and then try to sue the shit out of them for discrimination.
Most people want to be left alone with their beliefs, but there's atheists that will do anything to spread atheism just like a Christian would want to spread Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097133
48131059,48143483,2015-07-17 01:41:14,">>48143180
Should have pink hair",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437097274
48131059,48143533,2015-07-17 01:42:34,">>48143234
Christians in general have trouble accepting that there are other Christians with vastly different interpretations of the bible.
It's a mind set that comes from the distant wear 'heratics' could be outlawed or even killed.
The idea of 'heratics' remains but with their ability to kill rival sects long gone all that is left is bitter Christians with no way to vent their frustration.
The creationists, pro-left, anti-left, Catholics, Protestants, etc. are all just as valid ""Christians"" as anyone else.
This is the problem when your entire ideaology is based on 'faith'. One faith is just as valid as another.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097354
48131059,48143609,2015-07-17 01:44:56,">>48143180
Ah, shit. Forgot the fedora.",,Anonymous,transform.jpg,0WKlI3F8nPPDoBzfKoVf9g==,US,,1437097496
48131059,48143621,2015-07-17 01:45:08,">>48143352
I don't see how forcing an entire planet to play a guessing game about metaphysics, with oblivion/torture the punishment for guessing wrong, can be interpreted as a good thing.
>a meaningless accident
I don't find meaning in other people's opinions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097508
48131059,48143673,2015-07-17 01:46:37,">>48143621
>Guys we aren't a meaningless accident. God made us.
Why does God exist?
>A meaningless accident
top kok",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097597
48131059,48143696,2015-07-17 01:47:19,">>48143398
Atheism is a lack of beleif. By itself it has no political agenda.
Yes Marxists--who view religion as an evil that was invented by the rich to control the poor--are atheists. (There are also Christian Marxists. I understand the Pope accepted a crufix attached to a golden hammer and sickle.)
But this is not because of any core tenant in atheism. We do not have a single document that we all hold sacred.
There are atheists all over the political spectrum. I'm a hyper conservative atheist myself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097639
48131059,48143706,2015-07-17 01:47:43,">>48143180
Apparently you could not just use the bucket to paint her entire hair pink, there is where my drawing knowhow ends.
Her being a dirty atheist tho, you'd imagine she doesn't take care of her hair and the original color is making it appearance through her washed out hair.",,Anonymous,1437111155695.jpg,Ir6lA/Lg0B8Uco8QUEAL4g==,SE,,1437097663
48131059,48143744,2015-07-17 01:48:46,">>48143621
>>48143673
For me evolution is a far more interesting explanation than ""a magical being was bored and made himself some play things""
You can interpret evolution to mean that we are the result of billions of years of struggle, battle, improvement, and sacrifice.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097726
48131059,48143794,2015-07-17 01:50:13,">>48143706
I think I have a new fetish for corrupting Christ-chan with my atheist seed and making her stop going to church.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097813
48131059,48143797,2015-07-17 01:50:22,">>48143234
>Atheists are one of the most accepting, and easily the least accepted demographic of society. That includes with regards to Christianity.
I disagree with you. I hardly know anyone who actually goes to church. And most Christians keep quiet about their beliefs, while atheists tend to shout theirs from the rooftops. Atheists by-and-large love to talk about and debate religion. They have a chip on their shoulder, with a desire to ""convert"".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-mcswain/why-nobody-wants-to-go-to_b_4086016.html
The Christians who speak of their faith in public like atheists do, are looked upon almost as freaks. This is especially true of the younger crowd. In truth, the only place it is safe to discuss the particulars of what you actually believe as a Christian, is either in church or on the internet. You can declare you are a ""Christian"", and that you believe in god. But anything beyond that is a liability.
Regardless, as the above link explains, only about 20% of people go to church. Most of the remainder who call themselves Christians, are basically like my sister. They will call themselves a Christian. But they have never read the bible, they haven't been to church since they were a kid, they don't pray, and they don't follow any of the teachings in the bible. They merely believe that there is probably a god, or some other ""higher power"", even though they haven't spent any time actually thinking about it.
Basically, my sister is a deist, or a spiritualist, but she calls herself a Christian because its easier, less contentiousness, and ultimately doesn't really matter. She is pretty common actually.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437097822
48131059,48143800,2015-07-17 01:50:30,>>48143706,,Anonymous,vomit.gif,Vg6cA2n6MglT0Gfp9x+SEg==,US,,1437097830
48131059,48143828,2015-07-17 01:51:28,">>48143744
You can be a Christian and still believe in evolution. 
Just not in Humans, otherwise Original sin would make no sense.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437097888
48131059,48143863,2015-07-17 01:52:24,">>48143794
She'd never date a dirty Atheist tho. 
But sure do imagine away.",,Anonymous,2e9.png,0Xc+rhXMUKkg7/NeXfvE6Q==,SE,,1437097944
48131059,48143916,2015-07-17 01:53:35,">>48135194
I wosh I could read Nietzsche, but I can't fucking understand it. I don't mean general concepts. I mean there are fucking sentences in his works that I have no fucking clue what the fuck he is even trying to say. The ohrasing just feels awkward and overly verbose to the point of not having a clear meaning.
Maybe it was just the translation, but most likely I'm just mentally retarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098015
48131059,48143935,2015-07-17 01:54:07,">>48131228
His content is pretty good. I prefer Thunderf00t tho.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098047
48131059,48143941,2015-07-17 01:54:14,">>48143794
Lol, this is exactly what I did with my formerly catholic gf",,Anonymous,Megan-atheist-small.jpg,JyLlAJnd9Q+BHuEBNx00VA==,US,,1437098054
48131059,48143988,2015-07-17 01:55:45,">>48143916
Well I can try and help you. Are you talking about Thus Spoke Zarathustra because that is by far the hardest book to read?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098145
48131059,48144014,2015-07-17 01:56:22,">>48143398
>Maybe YOU aren't, but there are organizations like the Freedom from Religion Foundation that are doing everything they can to destroy religion. 
Payback IS a bitch, isn't it?
>but there's atheists that will do anything to spread atheism just like a Christian would want to spread Christianity.
Far fewer, by proportionate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098182
48131059,48144043,2015-07-17 01:57:07,">>48143828
And what I said about us being the result of billions of years of improvement, battle, and struggle doesn't really apply unless we evolved from lower life forms.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098227
48131059,48144065,2015-07-17 01:57:42,">>48143621
>I don't see how forcing an entire planet to play a guessing game about metaphysics, with oblivion/torture the punishment for guessing wrong, can be interpreted as a good thing.
Look, I don't believe in ""forcing"" anyone. My position is that religion has always been a combination of trying to understand the function of the world, and to try to organize society for the better. Christianity is supposed to be about converting people, and there are probably hundreds of different denominations and other sects in Christianity.
I don't really believe in hell. I never have. But, I think Christianity is probably the best religion in the world. I think ""Christian Anarchism"" is the probably the best form of government which could possibly exist(IE the Amish). And I believe atheism is generally dysfunctional. Many civilizations have tried to get rid of religion or minimize it, and all of them have collapsed. Soviet Russia was openly hostile to Christianity. Now Eastern Orthodoxy is effectively a state religion in Russia.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098262
48131059,48144076,2015-07-17 01:57:55,">>48135261
Depends. Once you get around a certain age range, like most people in their twenties now, it seems like most people are actually agnostics or atheists.
My family doesn't get it. They don't really give me shit for it though. My grandpa said one time ""it's a damn shame that you aren't a believer"" and I told him that I don't really choose not to believe, that I believe what I think is reality, and he just sort of grudgingly acknowledged that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098275
48131059,48144100,2015-07-17 01:58:45,">>48143398
Thats cos religion is a private thing - once it involves other people though You're Doing It Wrong.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437098325
48131059,48144109,2015-07-17 01:59:08,">>48143916
Try The Anti-Christ, it is an easier read",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098348
48131059,48144241,2015-07-17 02:03:01,">>48144065
>Many civilizations have tried to get rid of religion or minimize it, and all of them have collapsed. 
Most of them by other religions. You could argue that this is also the case with Marxism",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437098581
48131059,48144260,2015-07-17 02:03:27,">>48131059
I can't be the only one who sees that picture and doesn't see some shitty anti-atheism muh-fedora/muh-doritos pic, but just a well-done cartoon character.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098607
48131059,48144292,2015-07-17 02:04:21,">>48143352
>I think it is completely irrational to believe that life, this amazing boundless life, was a meaningless accident.
You were an accident, dude. Sorry, your mom's a slut.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098661
48131059,48144297,2015-07-17 02:04:35,">>48144065
The trouble with your perspective on religion isn't that it's inaccurate. Yes religion is bad to try to organzie society. But in the past religion had real authority.
The priests had their authority because they had a special relationship with the Gods. They could perform mystical feats that no one else could. A low priest might only have the magic to cleanse your sins for a few coin but the higher priests had Sagas about them like how Saint Patrick used his divine power to get rid of evil devil snakes.
Unless you are going to start championing snake-handlers, crystal healing, and other stuff your ideal society is one where the religious leaders have no authority at all.
This basically what Nietzche meant when he said ""God is dead"". God has lost his powers and so have his priests. That's also why Nietzche wanted to reinvent religion: a new religion not grounded in superstition and creation myths but in exalting the most powerful, most brave, and most importaint men as god like beings ""The Overman"" and encouraging those with great ambition to become Overmen themself. It is a religion that cannot be disproven, that isn't defeated by scientists. Instead it makes the scientists it's own priesthood (the genetic engineers for instance are inventing the Overman right as we speak!)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098675
48131059,48144306,2015-07-17 02:04:46,">>48143696
well yeah there's a difference between atheists and antitheists.
There are people who try to drive a wedge between religion and science, and then treat science as a religion. 
It's utterly fucked up. I'm sure most of them have never even taken a class on error analysis.
>>48144014
>Far fewer, by proportionate.
I know more vocal antitheists than vocal Christians.
But then again I attend a university, where the demographics have changed. And it seems like most people who recently became atheists tend to be very proselytizing, the same way someone is when they become a convert to a new religion.
If you hear a good idea, your first instinct is to let everyone else know about it.
>>48144241
But that just further proves the argument that a fully secularized culture is weak and ripe for conquest by other cultures.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098686
48131059,48144392,2015-07-17 02:07:36,">>48143797
>I hardly know anyone who actually goes to church.
The Bible says Christians are supposed to pray in private. Church attendance is irrelevant.
>And most Christians keep quiet about their beliefs, while atheists tend to shout theirs from the rooftops.
Not reflected by the data.
>Atheists by-and-large love to talk about and debate religion.
Based on your reliable anecdotes? Exactly how are you figuring out who is an atheist but quiet?
>But they have never read the bible
Of course most Christians don't. Reading the Bible is a good way to become an atheist.
I am not impressed with who's the most Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098856
48131059,48144440,2015-07-17 02:08:55,">>48143988
No. I bought his complete works in one book at Barnes and Noble like 7 years ago and I would flip through to different sections once in a while. Like Beyond Good and Evil and some section about how art is related to science. Some of the stuff he says sounds like common sense and then other stuff just seems like overly verbose incoherent babble to me. Here is an example I found on google which is just a line from the oreface of one of his books.
SUPPOSING that Truth is a woman--what then? Is there not ground for suspecting that all philosophers, in so far as they have been dogmatists, have failed to understand women--that the terrible seriousness and clumsy importunity with which they have usually paid their addresses to Truth, have been unskilled and unseemly methods for winning a woman?
Literally wat. I have to read it like three times to even get any meaning out of it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098935
48131059,48144475,2015-07-17 02:09:54,">>48144306
Not all religions are threatened by science by Christianity is.
Why is Jesus exalted as an importaint person? We should listen to him more than Plato, Aristotle, Muhammid, or your neighbor carl?
Because he is a super wise ""God"" and he proved it be doing miracles.
If there are no miracles, he is no God, he is just a Jew in the dessert telling people about eye-rape.
Science has descredited miracles. And in doing so it is in direct war with Christianity.
Jesus is no longer a God, he is at best a philosopher and at worst a schizoid-man or even worst someone that never even existed!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437098994
48131059,48144541,2015-07-17 02:12:23,">>48143797
>most Christians keep quiet about their beliefs, while atheists tend to shout theirs from the rooftops
What the fuck? People are on street corners and around my school constantly screaming shit about Jesus and how we're all going to hell. I've never seen an atheist rally for anything. The biggest campaign I've seen is some ads on buses, whereas in my hometown every other billboard is an ad for some church",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099143
48131059,48144552,2015-07-17 02:12:56,">>48144306
>I know more vocal antitheists than vocal Christians.
OK.exe
>And it seems like most people who recently became atheists tend to be very proselytizing,
The ultimate in confirmation bias. What is your method in detecting quiet atheists? Come on, man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099176
48131059,48144584,2015-07-17 02:13:51,">>48144297
>your ideal society is one where the religious leaders have no authority at all.
I would agree with this statement. My example was of the ""Amish"". And while the religious leaders are completely powerless in the absolute sense. At best they could only excommunicate you or shun you.
As I said, Christian anarchism. In my view, it is the only anarchism which could possibly work.
If we don't believe in god, we must trade spiritual authority with civil authority. And in truth, I find spiritual authority much less dangerous than civil authority. Civil authority is boundless. Religious authority is bound by the bible.
In a sense, religion is at worst a ""Constitutional monarchy"". While the Civil authority effectively has no constitution/limitation at all. It is North Korea.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099231
48131059,48144608,2015-07-17 02:14:30,">>48144584
Let me add this quote by Mencken...
""What the common man longs for in this world, before and above all his other longings, is the simplest and most ignominious sort of peace: the peace of a trusty in a well-managed penitentiary. He is willing to sacrifice everything else to it. He puts it above his dignity and he puts it above his pride. Above all, he puts it above his liberty. The fact, perhaps, explains his veneration for policemen, in all the forms they take–his belief that there is a mysterious sanctity in law, however absurd it may be in fact.
A policeman is a charlatan who offers, in return for obedience, to protect him (a) from his superiors, (b) from his equals, and (c) from himself. This last service, under democracy, is commonly the most esteemed of them all. In the United States, at least theoretically, it is the only thing that keeps ice-wagon drivers, Y.M.C.A. secretaries, insurance collectors and other such human camels from smoking opium, ruining themselves in the night clubs, and going to Palm Beach with Follies girls . . . Under the pressure of fanaticism, and with the mob complacently applauding the show, democratic law tends more and more to be grounded upon the maxim that every citizen is, by nature, a traitor, a libertine, and a scoundrel. In order to dissuade him from his evil-doing the police power is extended until it surpasses anything ever heard of in the oriental monarchies of antiquity.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099270
48131059,48144681,2015-07-17 02:16:55,">>48144306
>But that just further proves the argument that a fully secularized culture is weak and ripe for conquest by other cultures
I highly doubt that. The big weapon that secularized cultures have is freedom and choices. This brings about a society where there are loads of people with loads of different opinions. If you live in asecular country, you're more than allowed to be religious, you're just not allowed to push your religious views onto others who don't ask for them.
Also, don't be fooled by the 'strength' of theocratic societies. Many of them, like for instance Saudi Arabia, have this phoney stability, fueled by shittons of oil, or are basically city states like Qatar. I highly doubt that theocracy today is a viable alternative to secular democracy if you don't have loads of money around",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437099415
48131059,48144716,2015-07-17 02:17:51,">>48144584
>If we don't believe in god, we must trade spiritual authority with civil authority.
Belief in God is what makes the middle east so peaceful!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099471
48131059,48144725,2015-07-17 02:18:23,">>48131653
history and manga make me antiabrahamism agnostic",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1437099503
48131059,48144737,2015-07-17 02:18:51,">>48144440
That's a poetic line that basically establishes that the past 2,500 years of philosophy has been rubish and that the supposed ""wisest men"" like Plato were not very wise at all.
Look with Nietzche you can't really skip around the texts much. His writings all sort of reference each other so it becomes way easier the more you have read. His readings are also VERY BROAD. When he says that the last 2,500 years of philosophy have been ameterish he actually backs up his claim and beats down all the famous philosophers within a few sentences (Plato though gets his own book.While the other philosophers only get a few lines.) Genealogy alone in the first few chapters knocks down basically 90% of philosophy.
Good starting books are geneology and anti-christ. Genealogy gives you an idea of how the thinks about well...good and evil. Anti-christ is the biggest smackdown against Christianity, Judadism, Liberalism, Marxism, and Egalitarianism EVER.
Twilight of the idols requires a background in philosophy to understand (mostly plato) and is the least importaint one.
Beyond good and evil is a follow to genealogy and should be red afterwords.
Gay science requires a background in his other stuff since it builds on it. So does Zarathustra (the early chapters though can be understood with no background).
His writings are HUGE in brith. That's why he has to write with aphorism, because he's basically discussing everything!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099531
48131059,48144747,2015-07-17 02:19:25,">>48131059
Why make an Atheism general? There's literally nothing to talk about.",,Anonymous,disniggariteere.png,KSzWPoWNSQLt7z/4zFm7sQ==,US,,1437099565
48131059,48144787,2015-07-17 02:20:28,">>48144747
>nothing to talk about
>almost to 300 posts after only 6 hours
why shitpost?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099628
48131059,48144801,2015-07-17 02:21:12,">>48144584
>If we don't believe in god, we must trade spiritual authority with civil authority
There are no spirits to render verdicts or conducts trials. Even in ancient religious societies the priests would be judges on 'behalf of the Gods'. You cannot escape that society is human made and run by humans.
The idea that 'power is evil' or 'power corrupts' is backwards thinking. Since humans run society they must be empowered.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099672
48131059,48144812,2015-07-17 02:21:29,">>48144747
Absence has a presence all of its own.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099689
48131059,48144816,2015-07-17 02:21:44,">>48144392
>The Bible says Christians are supposed to pray in private. Church attendance is irrelevant.
My sister doesn't pray in private either, trust me. Most of the people I know who claim to be Christians, haven't prayed since they were a kid. And they certainly don't follow the teachings of the bible. They are ""Christians in name only"", or ""cultural Christians"".
>Based on your reliable anecdotes? Exactly how are you figuring out who is an atheist but quiet?
What data?
Make a poll on this forum, I have never met an atheist who didn't like to debate religion. And this entire forum is filled full of atheists who love to debate religion.
>Reading the Bible is a good way to become an atheist.
Regardless, as I said, most of these people have never read the bible, so I wouldn't really consider them Christians. They are Christians because their parents were, and they just never spent the time trying to figure out what they actually were, or what they actually believed. And they normally shy away from religious debates, because they don't really have any thoughts on it. They effectively don't care, they have other things to think about.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099704
48131059,48144823,2015-07-17 02:22:02,">>48131059
How the fuck do you discuess atheism? Its the disbelief in God HOW THE HELL DO YOU DISCUSS THIS?",,Anonymous,,,BS,,1437099722
48131059,48144846,2015-07-17 02:23:06,You do realize atheism is part of the problem right...go fuck off,,Anonymous,,,MK,,1437099786
48131059,48144893,2015-07-17 02:24:41,">>48144812
For someone who thinks himself logical, that was highly illogical. Fucking dumbass.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099881
48131059,48144914,2015-07-17 02:25:23,">>48144823
Look at the thread idiot. We've got curious Christians, discussing importaint people and videos in the community, how to react to religious people, Nietzche, the place of religion, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099923
48131059,48144946,2015-07-17 02:26:33,">>48144737
Alright thanks. Yeah and it probably doesn't help that my brain started rotting due to lack of use after high school. Guess maybe I can try giving it an actual workout.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437099993
48131059,48144948,2015-07-17 02:26:33,">>48142930
>>48143180
I might have put a little too much effort into this",,Anonymous,Fedora-Chan without fedora.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1437099993
48131059,48144988,2015-07-17 02:27:42,">>48144948
ooh, nice work!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100062
48131059,48145011,2015-07-17 02:28:24,">tfw you finally get over atheism and realize that only agnostic atheism and agnostic deism make sense, and an equal amount at that
>you realize taking the human condition and your own concerns into consideration are important and should inform your beliefs about reality",,Anonymous,were all gonna makeit.png,pNbo7dmpCeYlhtQAYYbuFg==,NZ,,1437100104
48131059,48145015,2015-07-17 02:28:32,">>48144946
Don't feel bad if you don't grasp it at first. Honestly if you only get 25% it's still life changing. The importaint thing is to just be steady. If you get burned out on Genealogy put the book down and play some video games. If you feel lost just start over from an earlier chapter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100112
48131059,48145016,2015-07-17 02:28:39,">>48144816
>What data?
Pew research polls.
>Make a poll on this forum
/pol/ is not a normal representative of anything. Don't act surprised that people on a political board are political.
>so I wouldn't consider them Christians.
Reading the Bible on your own is very harmful to Christian faith. Thinking for yourself isn't a requirement for Christianity or any other religion either.
I am not impressed with who's more Christian than other people. Nor do I find it likely that Christians would consider opposing Christian views more valid when they DO go to church, like Obama and his strong ties to Jeremiah Wright's church, or Hillary and her strong ties to the Methodists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100119
48131059,48145037,2015-07-17 02:29:22,">>48144475
>Because he is a super wise ""God"" and he proved it be doing miracles.
Maybe you should read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, because that's not why miracles are done. And that's not even why Christians are supposed to believe what they do. Heck, the Bible even says that Jesus would perform miracles and tell them not to tell others what you saw.
>Science has descredited miracles
I'd type out a long post about Daniel and the prophecy of Alexander the Great and how it can't be written after the fact because Daniel was included in the Septuagint, but I'm really tired, sorry.
>>48144552
>What is your method in detecting quiet atheists? Come on, man.
I'm a physics major, and I have lots of friends at my school. Between all the studying and hanging out we do, we talk about things, religion included. Does it shock you that someone on /pol/ actually goes outside?
>>48144681
I think you misunderstand. I'm fine with a secularized state. But when the majority of the population is irreligious they become too tolerant and get walked over by foreign cultures, ala Sweden.
>>48144787
It's really the theists that drive the conversation in the thread though.
I only come to these threads(or really, /pol/ and 4chan as a whole) in hopes someone will actually change my mind.
I'm going to bed now, it's past midnight.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100162
48131059,48145044,2015-07-17 02:29:33,">>48144893
>For someone who thinks himself logical,
When did I say I think myself logical, dumbass?
>that was highly illogical. 
Its true, though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100173
48131059,48145068,2015-07-17 02:30:19,">>48145011
>tfw when you don't know what the definition of atheism is",,Anonymous,reeeeee connie.png,e1cfLmQo1q6CtcwND8VcRw==,US,,1437100219
48131059,48145076,2015-07-17 02:30:36,">>48144914
So christian retard bait lmao",,Anonymous,,,BS,,1437100236
48131059,48145092,2015-07-17 02:31:19,">>48145037
>Does it shock you that someone on /pol/ actually goes outside?
It doesn't shock me, but it disappoints me that you think ""the opinions of my friends"" are a good way of analyzing the stance of millions of people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100279
48131059,48145113,2015-07-17 02:32:14,">>48145037
>But when the majority of the population is irreligious they become too tolerant and get walked over by foreign cultures
Where do you think inclusiveness doctrine comes from, if not Christianity's turning the other cheek type beliefs? Christianity was originally pacifist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100334
48131059,48145120,2015-07-17 02:32:32,">>48144988
Still lacks a Fedora so I kinda failed on that part",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100352
48131059,48145138,2015-07-17 02:33:07,">>48145037
Like I said if you remove miracles from Jesus he is at the very best a philosopher. At worst he is a fictional character in a fable. 
You don't see how Jesus being demoted from God to philosopher harms your religion's power?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100387
48131059,48145169,2015-07-17 02:34:02,">>48145076
There's a few Christians that have genuine questions and some obvious trolls.
Like anything else on 4chan it's 90% crap and you stick it out for the 10% quality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100442
48131059,48145179,2015-07-17 02:34:30,">>48144014
>Payback IS a bitch, isn't it?
Amen, when we come to shoot you Bolshevik scum for waging war on white society, it will be beautiful.",,Anonymous,BolshevikCleanup.jpg,1QhQhO556zazw6oZmkXaHQ==,US,,1437100470
48131059,48145180,2015-07-17 02:34:31,">>48145120
I was gonna say that, but fuck it. It's just Christ-chan with different colors. Only Fedora-chan has a fedora",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100471
48131059,48145196,2015-07-17 02:35:14,">>48145180
Well I did remove the cross",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100514
48131059,48145232,2015-07-17 02:36:22,">>48145068
>tfw he doesn't know the difference between agnostic and gnostic atheism or assumes i don't",,Anonymous,horribly memed.jpg,b+Fg8P8hInqXQ1XZf7hezQ==,NZ,,1437100582
48131059,48145260,2015-07-17 02:37:37,">>48145179
>man, we better genocide the whitest segment of society for stuff Christians do to Christians!
Totally logical.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100657
48131059,48145311,2015-07-17 02:39:40,">>48144716
>Belief in God is what makes the middle east so peaceful!
Well, religion isn't necessarily the catalyst that is driving the violence. Religion is an issue which is dividing them. But the actual catalyst, is political and economic.
Basically, the fighting is more about tribalism than it is religion. But religion is the primary cause of the tribalism.
For instance, Osama Bin Laden didn't attack us because we are Christian. He attacked us because we have military bases in something like 140 foreign countries, including all across the Middle-East. That we supported Israel with billions a year in aid, and weapons(including nuclear weapons).
The people there aren't fighting a religious war with each other. They are actually fighting for political power, and control of natural resources. The Sunni tribes don't like being dominated by the Shia tribes who currently run the government in Iraq, and who also run the government in Syria. The Sunni tribes want control of the oil fields in Iraq, because Western Iraq has no oil at all. All the oil is in the Kurdish and Shia-controlled areas.
So religion and tribalism becomes a useful tool, but it is not the cause of the violence. And the truth is, if the United States and the West wasn't intervening so much in those countries. And if selling the oil wasn't so profitable(and if money to create so much power). The Middle-East would be a hell of a lot more peaceful.
The truth is, ""The West"" actually sets these people against each other for our profit. If you understand the history of colonialism, you'll realize that that has been our strategy the entire time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100780
48131059,48145324,2015-07-17 02:40:06,">>48144306
>I know more vocal antitheists than vocal Christians.
>But then again I attend a university, where the demographics have changed. And it seems like most people who recently became atheists tend to be very proselytizing, the same way someone is when they become a convert to a new religion.
>If you hear a good idea, your first instinct is to let everyone else know about it.
These people are nothing but Bolsheviks...
There's only one thing to do with Bolshevikized atheists who believe they're ""entitled"" to take revenge for imagined slights like they weren't allowed to get gay married like in every other civilized culture on Earth.",,Anonymous,index2.jpg,0jN6uZxbDHPavXphFOE6Qw==,US,,1437100806
48131059,48145372,2015-07-17 02:41:52,">>48145179
The battle is being fought with legslataure and internet discussions.
Some guy on youtube with 10 million subscribers makes a few statements about a religion and he gets a couple hundred thousand people to agree with him. If he does this once a week for 2 years he's made big impact.
A few of these people devoted to cause make it into law and work with their friends to get legislature passed.
Similar things happen with colleges and other facilities.
Of course the college leaders, the youtube fags, the mega law firms and the like are only seargents in the army. The generals are all dead already: ghosts of dead philosophers, conquers, theologians, all influencing things from the shadows. Nietzsche, Saint Augustine, Hitler, and Marx are still waging their wars.
The idea of going to door to door with a shotgun in a mob led by Ben Garrision to kill every atheist commie is a fantasy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100912
48131059,48145393,2015-07-17 02:42:23,">>48145068
we he said ""get over atheism"" I think he meant ""get over gnostic atheism""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437100943
48131059,48145430,2015-07-17 02:43:29,">>48145311
>The truth is, ""The West"" actually sets these people against each other for our profit. If you understand the history of colonialism, you'll realize that that has been our strategy the entire time.
Muslims were attacking us long before the Crusades, and the Barbary slave traders were enslaving European type people before America started mucking with them.
Anyway, my point is that religion lets you manipulate people, but it certainly isn't a viable state replacement. Small populations can get by okay without a state. It isn't a triumph of xyz doctrine, its the monkeysphere.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101009
48131059,48145440,2015-07-17 02:43:49,">>48145260
>>man, we better genocide the whitest segment of society for stuff Christians do to Christians!
>Totally logical.
You're a dumbass. It's perfectly logical to exterminate vermin who believe they are owed something by white Christian society to the point that they believe it is acceptable to attempt to destroy western culture.",,Anonymous,nazism.jpg,KCTre5S4xmd6ZLIPr58o0w==,US,,1437101029
48131059,48145526,2015-07-17 02:47:24,"Alright I'm back for one last post.
>>48145138
You're still insisting that science discredit miracles. It doesn't- common sense does. You could live 2000 years ago and say that people don't raise from the dead, and people don't just put their hands on other people and cure their diseases. Christians take the testimony of miracles on faith. Miracles were only meant to convince the individual(s) involved into believing, not the whole of society.
>so your answer is ""because I have faith :)"" 
No, and that's why prophecy is the most important part of the Bible, and why we believe the testimonies of people who claim miracles. But I'm copping out of giving you an answer because I have an appointment early tomorrow morning. The least I can give you is this, look for filename in the archives, I've posted in multiple threads about it before.
>>48145092
>implying that the opinions of Idahoans are not the only valid opinions
:^)
>>48145113
You should probably read up on what ""turn the other cheek"" means. It doesn't mean let Ahmed rape your 12-year-old Swedish daughter and then punish him with community service.",,Anonymous,Diadochen.jpg,xhwJ5NwTsDIZcGtrVsZfqw==,US,,1437101244
48131059,48145536,2015-07-17 02:47:43,">>48145440
You're strictly delusional. Clear your own house of vipers first.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101263
48131059,48145584,2015-07-17 02:49:43,">>48145372
>The idea of going to door to door with a shotgun in a mob led by Ben Garrision to kill every atheist commie is a fantasy.
I bet that's what the Jewish infestation thought in the Weimar Republic as well. Us decent atheists will keep working our asses off to destroy Judaized 5th column atheism.",,Anonymous,TheInternationalJew.png,zQZAbb3gmA2uZ4amAUbKbw==,US,,1437101383
48131059,48145612,2015-07-17 02:50:36,">>48145526
>You should probably read up on what ""turn the other cheek"" means.
Christianity had a -colossal- problem with violence of any sort at its inception, and the development of just warfare doctrine was a huge deal. It should surprise no one that the vipers in the house of Christianity still endure to this day. Just look at the Pope, who if not Christian expertly uses Christian theology to dismantle itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101436
48131059,48145666,2015-07-17 02:52:30,">>48145584
>Us decent atheists will keep working our asses off to destroy Judaized 5th column atheism.
No, us decent atheists will continue not to give a shit. Maybe laugh at some fedoras when appropriate.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437101550
48131059,48145703,2015-07-17 02:53:24,">>48145666
>No, us decent atheists will continue not to give a shit. Maybe laugh at some fedoras when appropriate.
Then you're a sociopath.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101604
48131059,48145704,2015-07-17 02:53:24,">>48145526
If you honestly do not think that a beleif that their god 'had the stronger magic' is a major reason Christianity had power you clearly do not know your history.
It would be incredibly easy to trick stupid peasents into thinking your magic is real. The Catholic church used to charge people to 'remove sin'.
If you told people that the magic of heaven and hell isn't real than why should these smelly peasents beleive your religion when the other cult down the street is offering reincarnation or 72 virgins?
Why should I listen to your priest if he has no magic if the Greek oracles can tell me the future or the Egpytion Priest can bless me with a good crop yield!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101604
48131059,48145731,2015-07-17 02:54:32,">>48145430
>Muslims were attacking us long before the Crusades, and the Barbary slave traders were enslaving European type people before America started mucking with them.
I agree. But this whole situation is complicated.
Obviously Christians engaged in slavery, so did Jews, and so did deists/atheists. Slavery and conquest is the story of the world. I mean, ""The West"" conquered the entire world through colonialism/imperialism. But that had nothing to do with Christianity. If anything, it was actually a contradiction of Christianity. It was carried out by civil governments, who wanted power. It was the government that was evil, not the religion.
I am not going to say that the Middle-East would be completely peaceful if it wasn't for the West. But I would definitely say that it would be ""more"" peaceful had it not been for the West.
As most people know, the biggest wars in world history, were secular wars. Religion played basically no role at all. It was tribalism, and desire for wealth and power.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101672
48131059,48145774,2015-07-17 02:55:52,">>48145731
>It was the government that was evil, not the religion.
You're an idiot - there's absolutely nothing evil about colonialism. The spread of civilization is absolutely an objective good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101752
48131059,48145811,2015-07-17 02:57:07,">>48145703
>don't advocate mass murder
>sociopath
I think you need to look up what that word means.",,Anonymous,1422290321666.jpg,LlTzwvYFSKwaX6TTE00gjQ==,DE,,1437101827
48131059,48145842,2015-07-17 02:58:00,">>48145731
I don't view slavery as contradicting Christian ideals. Jesus never expressed opposition to it.
We will never know whether the west made the world more or less peaceful. We do know that the amount of people dying in wars after America became the prime superpower fell off, though.
>It was the government that was evil, not the religion.
They were mostly unified in religion, though, and that's the point, that unifying people in religion doesn't obviate need for a government.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101880
48131059,48145849,2015-07-17 02:58:29,">>48145811
>I think you need to look up what that word means.
If you advocate the destruction of sociological infrastructure, just as sure as someone who poisons a city water source, you're a sociopath.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101909
48131059,48145877,2015-07-17 02:59:12,"NEW THREAD
>>48145861
>>48145861
>>48145861",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437101952
48131059,48145913,2015-07-17 03:00:28,">>48145774
>The spread of civilization is absolutely an objective good.
I disagree. First, I think civilization itself is actually bad for humanity(read some Rousseau faggot). Secondly, the means employed to spread civilization during the age of imperialism, were absolutely evil.
http://www.sickchirpse.com/was-civilisation-a-mistake/
We would be happier, and objectively healthier(even if many of us died in early childhood), as hunter-gatherers.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/05/were-we-happier-in-the-stone-age",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102028
48131059,48145937,2015-07-17 03:01:08,">>48145849
I didn't do that, though. Nice jump of logic.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437102068
48131059,48145981,2015-07-17 03:02:26,">>48145913
>I think civilization itself is actually bad for humanity(read some Rousseau faggot). Secondly, the means employed to spread civilization during the age of imperialism, were absolutely evil.
Bull and bull. An illiterate barbarian has no right to land as he cannot make the best use of it to benefit a larger number of people. If he will not assent to the superior culture, then exterminate him as soon as you would a wild animal.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102146
48131059,48146013,2015-07-17 03:03:32,">>48145731
The idea that 'slavery is bad' is retarded. We still have slavery in the US today, it's just gotten more comfortable (we call modern slaves workers!).
Our modern slaves are given payment, whipping them is now illegal, the slave owner can even be fined if he mistreats his slave. The slave is free to choose his master and may at time terminate his own slavery (called being unemployed).
Slavery is necessary for the advancement of society. We have gotten so advanced that our modern day slaves actually live better lives than the Aristocrats of old. An mp3 player or 'ipod' is a more advanced minstrel than any lord ever had and our lowest slaves possess them!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102212
48131059,48146059,2015-07-17 03:05:35,">>48146013
>The idea that 'slavery is bad' is retarded. We still have slavery in the US today, it's just gotten more comfortable (we call modern slaves workers!).
I'm opposed to all slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRSkM8C8z4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102335
48131059,48146119,2015-07-17 03:07:56,">>48145913
>I think civilization itself is actually bad for humanity(read some Rousseau faggot).
I have no interest in Freemason dogmas - they've done almost nothing but bring evil to the world. The Freemasons are the absolute worst thing to ever come out of England.",,Anonymous,1376560-goeb1.jpg,uxJcFhHhRaUIN5Qn+5+YiA==,US,,1437102476
48131059,48146143,2015-07-17 03:08:48,">>48146013
>The slave is free to choose his master and may at time terminate his own slavery (called being unemployed).
This is what makes it explicitly not slavery. The key component of slavery is ownership of the slave. 
But when a contract transferring posession only lasts for a limited time, can be terminated before it ends (in accordance with the contract), and leads to periodic payments during the agreement, then that's not ownership - it's rent. Ownership change never happens.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437102528
48131059,48146189,2015-07-17 03:10:31,">>48145913
>First, I think civilization itself is actually bad for humanity(read some Rousseau faggot)
The kind of insane violence, murder and mayhem that was seen at the start of the overthrow of France should make you think the Freemasons, like Rousseau, along with their thieving kike bankers are bad for humanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102631
48131059,48146203,2015-07-17 03:10:54,">>48146013
I don't believe in ""progress"". I don't things ever really get better, they just become different. We live longer now, but life has become empty, pointless, and lonely.
Civilization is fundamentally anti-human. Its goal is to domesticate human-beings into docile livestock, who are then used as resources for the state. I find it to be quite depressing.
This isn't what life wasn't supposed to be. We live in a prison, though a comfortable one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102654
48131059,48146333,2015-07-17 03:15:49,">>48146189
Well, the violence in the French Revolution had basically nothing to do with Rousseau. He had been dead for 15 years before the Reign of Terror.
Regardless, I'm not here to defend everything Rousseau ever said. When it comes to philosophers, I always like to separate what they write into two categories, ""observations"" and ""advice"". Rousseau made great observations, but gave terrible advice. Because observation are easy. Everyone can spot the problem, and then work backwards to find the cause. It is another thing entirely to give good advice on how to actually solve the problem.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102949
48131059,48146366,2015-07-17 03:17:05,">>48146203
>Civilization is fundamentally anti-human. Its goal is to domesticate human-beings into docile livestock, who are then used as resources for the state. I find it to be quite depressing.
That is not at all the purpose of civilization, that is its purpose under kike capitalism. 
Degenerate art, degenerate culture, anything but spiritual and aesthetic fulfillment so the cosmopolitan capitalists can sit fat and pretty.",,Anonymous,goebbels.jpg,IfUPheGMMJTENnG3yHcDNg==,US,,1437103025
48131059,48146397,2015-07-17 03:18:22,">>48146203
Humans are the only animal that have civilization.
It's a defining trait of being human!
>>48146143
In the past slaves had contracts. They would have to work for a certain period of time. Sometimes they could free themself if they just payed up money. The Greeks even had a concept of 'slave's rights'.
In fact if you were a slave to a wealthy aristocrat in Greece you were better off than a free peasent. You would enjoy better food and have a better living space. You may be taught to read so that you can handle your master's letters. If you were a smart slave you could get promoted to a manager position and direct the other slaves.
The image of the 'the cruel slave master' is partially a myth. The more advanced a society was the nicer their slave masters were. Until we get to modern times where our slaves have mandatory payed breaks, overtime compensation, and if the mastery whips a slave the slave is given a lawyer to sue his master!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103102
48131059,48146431,2015-07-17 03:19:24,Get in here >>48145861,,Anonymous,1418569354408.jpg,XmtU13LlMxaSbYVQs9QeqA==,US,,1437103164
48131059,48146453,2015-07-17 03:20:43,">>48146397
Well, the line between slave and free is blurry.
But if you can pack up and leave whenever you damn well please, I'm pretty sure you're not a slave by any sort of definition.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437103243
48131059,48146527,2015-07-17 03:23:38,">>48146397
>It's a defining trait of being human!
Everything which has civilization is human, but not everything which is human has civilization.
Civilization was created as a result of settled agriculture. And from the beginning it was hierarchical and tyrannical.
Civilization from the outbreak, was intended to conquer and subjugate all those who are weaker. The spread of civilization from the very start, was nothing but the most depraved violence and oppression. And that includes European imperialism, which effectively still continues.
We would have been happier had civilization never been invented at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103418
48131059,48146812,2015-07-17 03:35:50,">>48146527
>nothing but the most depraved violence and oppression. And that includes European imperialism, which effectively still continues.
>We would have been happier had civilization never been invented at all.
You don't like it - go be homeless in the park.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104150
48145861,48145861,2015-07-17 02:58:48,"Old thread: >>48131059
Feel free to discuss atheism, agnosticism, and secular living/politics. Artists are encouraged to make more Fedora-chan, as we only have two drawings right now.",Atheism General,Anonymous,transform.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1437101928
48145861,48145898,2015-07-17 02:59:54,"Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA [Embed]
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U [Embed]
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE [Embed]",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437101994
48145861,48145917,2015-07-17 03:00:34,"Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate:
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437102034
48145861,48145969,2015-07-17 03:02:03,"Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,1433205641684.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1437102123
48145861,48145982,2015-07-17 03:02:34,"Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,1433205788867.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1437102154
48145861,48145983,2015-07-17 03:02:34,">>48145861
Everything was kind of coming together until../R/atheism came along.",,Anonymous,w8FhQJ5.jpg,J3qo77SBUxafMl49re9CMw==,US,,1437102154
48145861,48146000,2015-07-17 03:03:04,"So is it ""bad"" to go to local church events if you are not a Christian? I never really got a clear answer either way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102184
48145861,48146036,2015-07-17 03:04:38,">>48145983
Nice image. Your bible describes how to do an abortion: Numbers 5:11-31",,Anonymous,0227Dawkins.jpg,7lEeriGbcjrsdbF1BjX3Dg==,US,,1437102278
48145861,48146044,2015-07-17 03:04:56,">>48146000
>So is it ""bad"" to go to local church events if you are not a Christian?
That's something you'll need to ask the christians, not the atheists, so I think you're in the wrong thread here. It's their event. If they're fine with you showing up despite not believing, I don't see an issue.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437102296
48145861,48146062,2015-07-17 03:05:49,">>48146000
My local church has a service where they prepare food for the poor. I don't see why a nontheist couldn't join that if you want to do charity.
The services are just a bunch of shitty songs and a minister cherry picking verses that suit his agenda and ranting to a captive audience about his pet peeves.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102349
48145861,48146063,2015-07-17 03:05:50,">>48146000
If there is free food, go for it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102350
48145861,48146085,2015-07-17 03:06:32,">>48146036
You see, this is the problem. You guys act like any form of criticism is Christians bashing on you. I am agnostic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437102392
48145861,48146141,2015-07-17 03:08:46,">>48145861
You guys are just as bad (and probably the same persons) as the cucks in leftypol.
Pic related, your official mascot",,Anonymous,image.jpg,i3tMQs5SxqOX+0eA1yxVWg==,DK,,1437102526
48145861,48146198,2015-07-17 03:10:47,"Suggestion for recommended reading
Friedrick Nietzsche, The Anti-Christ: Nietzsche dissects and demystifies the origin of Christianity and Judaism and exposes them as resentful, anti-life, vengeful moral systems, that promote weakness. The book is also an attack an Marxism, Liberalism, Egalitarianism, and leftism in general (all from the same roots according to Nietzsche). 
A good introductory book to his work too.",,Anonymous,1423371594991.jpg,W4w+EIB38HQ4NwO+XL5I/g==,US,,1437102647
48145861,48146211,2015-07-17 03:11:08,">>48146141
Our official mascot is Fedora-chan (see first few images I posted)
Also, here is what a conservative atheist looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINa22UR0S4",,Anonymous,white_countries.png,6x0bPpu6H2Y5AZ9oP855Ow==,US,,1437102668
48145861,48146259,2015-07-17 03:13:11,What do you guys think of Hinduism? They have wonderful art. Coolest Gods after the Greeks IMO,,Anonymous,Lord Vishnu.jpg,AlE5cQ3UrJqYwT+dbvpIAg==,US,,1437102791
48145861,48146332,2015-07-17 03:15:45,">>48145861
So, it's atheism that bad of a thing or it's just what /pol/ want us to believe?
I'm an atheist myself, but I don't think religion is that bad. I mean, lot's of things come from religion, good and bad. 
>Jihads, crusades, close-minded people, reject from science are bad things, of course
>but we have also the fundaments of a great moral code in Islam and Christianism, for example.
I guess religion it's an outdated concept, but still useful now. Let me explain.
>Religion was born out of the necessity to explain how the world was created and how the universe works
>Also, with religion, you stated some basic morals: ""Don't kill or you'll go to hell"" ""Make good actions and you'll go to heaven"". 
Sure, it has been used as a tool to get means, as I stated before
>Spread of Islam in Europe, Reconquista
>Crusades, Inquisition
>Al Qaeda, ISIS
>Expansion of Israel in the middle east, zionist ownage of Jerusalem
But in it's purest form, religion isn't bad, it's early science. It's the only method they had to explain things, and now we can use it to spread moral (Inb4 edgy Nietzche-fags come saying moral doesn't matter)
So I don't thing that religion isn't bad. The Church, Caliphates, Zionists, every person who uses the religion to accomplish selfish things, that's the wrong thing with religion
Let the people believe what they want
Don't let them use it to commit attrocities",,Anonymous,Allow me to drown you in the depths of knowledge.jpg,xYerzCjSMaFFsf5e6o90rw==,ES,,1437102945
48145861,48146340,2015-07-17 03:16:01,">>48146259
Too be honest, I don't know the first thing about Hinduism. And neither do most in this thread. 
The majority of us come from a Christian background, hence why so many debates here are atheism Vs Christianity",,Anonymous,QlahH.jpg,om5AEkvguRu80S6R0Mcjew==,US,,1437102961
48145861,48146367,2015-07-17 03:17:06,">>48146332
It depends on which religion you're talking about, yeah.",,Anonymous,based_dawkins.jpg,JDwBLejIaJoNUWofxTdNJA==,US,,1437103026
48145861,48146395,2015-07-17 03:18:14,">>48146259
>What do you guys think of Hinduism?
Always struck me as one of the weirder religions out there. They just keep making up gods for some reason. You'd think they have enough, but there's also some understanding that there isn't really a limit to how many gods there are. And then some say there's only pretty few, and then there's people with their personal god.
Nice art tho, I agree there.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437103094
48145861,48146447,2015-07-17 03:20:23,">>48146395
>They just keep making up gods for some reason. You'd think they have enough
Sounds like Catholicism",,Anonymous,popeHat_1767116b.jpg,PLp+DpvKYG/RG9VGRPoxNw==,US,,1437103223
48145861,48146502,2015-07-17 03:22:43,">>48146332
Religion is mostly good if you like the central character of its founder (cosmopolitan secularism in the case of Christianity, violent conquest in the case of Islam) and mostly bad if you don't. I don't have a particularly strong opinion on the matter and normally don't care about the topic at all, it was solely Fedora-Chan that made me come in.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103363
48145861,48146508,2015-07-17 03:22:59,">>48145861
>>48145898
>>48145917
We need more mother fuckin art!",,Anonymous,1352822824996.jpg,91i24DbmuhVOa/kIWquHhQ==,US,,1437103379
48145861,48146521,2015-07-17 03:23:24,">>48145861
Literally a cult.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437103404
48145861,48146525,2015-07-17 03:23:33,">>48146367
Islam isn't a bad religion, it's in fact, pretty good. But as I've said, it's always about who uses it and who/why use it.
Sure, you don't see christians blowing people, but christians weren't always as peaceful as they are now. Neither were the Jews.
So, now we have a bunch of goatfuckers who think that if they blow up for Islam, they'll go to heaven because that's what their leader tells them. Just like christians did with Vatican 700 years ago. Islam isn't to blame, but the people who uses it to spread hate, chaos and death.
Don't misunderstand me, we should attack ISIS now and kill them as slowly and painfully as possible. But don't blame all the muslims for that.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437103413
48145861,48146607,2015-07-17 03:27:22,">>48146525
>Just like christians did with Vatican 700 years ago. Islam isn't to blame, but the people who uses it to spread hate, chaos and death.
You're confused - whereas Christian dogma is actually generally anathema to violence - Islamic doctrine is heavily dedicated to war.
That is one thing very dangerous about Christianity, it can lead fools to not understand who their enemies are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103642
48145861,48146630,2015-07-17 03:28:17,">>48146525
>Death for apostasy
>Peace by the Sword
>Slavery
>Subjugation of woman
>The husbands right to beat his wife(s)
>The genital mutilation of women
>The permission to lie to an infidel to gain advantage
>The rejection of modern science
>The requirement to accept the Quran as absolute truth, which is full of verses calling for Jihad against infidels. Martyrs are rewarded with eternal paradise and 72 virgins. This life is considered temporary.
>Acid attacks
>The requirement from Muslims for non-Muslims to abide by religious rule
>Blaming the rape victim
Their insanity reinforced by the life of Mohammed in which he lives by these violent actions. He was a warlord as well as a politician and religious figure. Muslims consider Mohammed the ideal man. Mohammed's life is covered in more detail in the Hadith. The second most sacred writing to Muslims - also a source of Sharia law. Islam is inherently political. It is a political ideology as well as a religion which is where Sharia law comes from. It is a complete system for governing religious belief, personal action, and politics.",,Anonymous,trippy.jpg,ByWvntUNqJ5lePafzJ+8Vw==,US,,1437103697
48145861,48146640,2015-07-17 03:28:42,">>48146521
>hue land shitting things up as usual
Oh vey, who could be behind this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103722
48145861,48146656,2015-07-17 03:29:12,">>48145861
Can anyone point out an example of a religious SJW",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437103752
48145861,48146672,2015-07-17 03:29:49,">>48146447
>Inb4 some Internet Catholic corrects you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103789
48145861,48146727,2015-07-17 03:32:09,">>48146525
I don't blame all muslims for that. I blame them for this.",,Anonymous,moderate muslims.jpg,YTZf5O/6MTlvirfePVcGWQ==,US,,1437103929
48145861,48146754,2015-07-17 03:33:12,">>48146656
Isn't every religious person that tries to force their world view on everyone a SJW? Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103992
48145861,48146755,2015-07-17 03:33:12,">>48146640
Satan",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437103992
48145861,48146756,2015-07-17 03:33:13,">>48146525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFsO58hXVM",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437103993
48145861,48146770,2015-07-17 03:33:54,">>48146656
Lots of black christian and muslim SJWs. Its hard to say if jewish SJWs (which typically don't believe in judaism except in terms of an us vs them chosen one mentality) count. Hillary certainly counts. Lots of SJWs are atheist college whores though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104034
48145861,48146783,2015-07-17 03:34:21,">>48146525
>>48146727
>>48146756
Another good one on the ""moderate"" muslim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEir8ORIks0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104061
48145861,48146811,2015-07-17 03:35:48,">>48146656
Unlikely. ""SJW"" is a brand, an idendity to show off to those you want to approve or disapprove of you, a way to define yourself in relation to others. It's a brand you have to take as a whole, or it doesn't work - you'll be rejected by those you want to approve of you if you don't take up the whole insanity. Which is also the source of the frequent infighting among them, but I digress.
Part of the brand is opposition to the conservative right, which in turn is branded by SJWs as being religious. As such, the SJW has to be nonreligious, or at least non-mainstream religious, meaning not christian.
So, you could probably find a bunch of wiccan SJWs, or buddhists, spirituals, shit like that. But the brand ""SJW"" in itself makes being christian as well impossible, it contradicts the brand. You'd have to find a way to make the ""christian"" part of yourself too marginal to interfere with the adopted idendity, at which point you may as well not be christian.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437104148
48145861,48146815,2015-07-17 03:35:53,">>48146754
No, because the majority of their views are conservative, you must be liberal to be a SJW",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437104153
48145861,48146819,2015-07-17 03:36:00,">>48146367
Wow, I like this quote by Dawkins. This is basically how I feel about Christianity. I can't personally be a Christian, but I see a lot of good in it. Just like, I can't be a Mormon, but I really like the Mormons.
I don't think atheism can defend itself. Through freedom of speech it has been successful in criticizing and undermining Christianity, but atheists generally have no will to fight. When society collapses, the radicals usually come to power. Or more specifically, those most willing to fight and die, will generally end up in power. The only thing which has prevented the Middle-East(and Africa) from falling to radicals, is American military intervention.
I don't think a society without religion can maintain itself for any length of time. Thus, if Christianity dies, I have a feeling Islam will probably rise up in its place.
With that said, if I didn't hate ISIS so much, in some ways I would be happy if Islam took over. They would put these obnoxious leftists back in their place.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104160
48145861,48146839,2015-07-17 03:36:40,">>48145861
Will religion die out one day?",,Anonymous,1433205788898.jpg,od7di24HWWLhC8AoYxr3sA==,DE,,1437104200
48145861,48146882,2015-07-17 03:38:30,">>48146839
Seems demographically impossible to me. Maybe millions of years after everyone becomes a half robot mutant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104310
48145861,48146899,2015-07-17 03:39:11,">>48146819
>in some ways I would be happy if Islam took over. They would put these obnoxious leftists back in their place.
No... Islam basically invented ""you oppress me! gibs!""
That's exactly how Muhammad justified conquering Mecca to his followers - and how he justified slaughtering pilgrims and robbing their caravan... he was being ""oppressed"" by the Meccans and the Pilgrims who didn't recognize him as God's prophet, and, as Muhammad said, ""Persecution is worse than murder"" - meaning not that it's worse to persecute than murder, but it's better to murder innocents than be mocked by them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104351
48145861,48146918,2015-07-17 03:39:45,">>48146819
>I don't think a society without religion can maintain itself for any length of time.
That just depends on what you define as religion. Any sort of belief system will do, the state can take the position of religion just fine, as can the nation, or your local sports team. If you have an unwarranted sense of superiority coming from it, a feeling of belonging to a group, a belief that your group is superior and will have an advantage for no good reason, and a different group to oppose, you're all set.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437104385
48145861,48146943,2015-07-17 03:40:48,">>48146656
Social justice is advanced Christianity. Check the chart.",,Anonymous,2.png,A9TujJDpSPq+hnUiDu4V8w==,US,,1437104448
48145861,48147006,2015-07-17 03:43:17,">>48146630
>>48146727
You guys have a point there. Islam isn't either the best religion, but, it isn't all bad. Think the environment in which it was created. They needed a religion like that to be united, and it's damn good at what it does.
Sadly, this is what I meant before with people using it as a mean to get an end. If their caliphs didn't say to ""force Shariah Law, to declare jihad in all infidels"", they wouldn't do it. They come from a culture where religion is much closer to their lives than ours. Sure, it shouldn't be like that, but hey, it's their culture, you can't just force them to reject it. If they had more passive religious leaders, nothing of this would be happening. I'm going to take my country as example.
I've never seen here a bad muslim. They go to their sacred places, avoid pork, don't consume alcohol, etc, etc. But I have some really good friends between them, and honestly, they work hard and they are better persons than a lot of Spaniards. And I haven't been blown out of the map. Yet.
So I believe a peaceful Islam it's possible (maybe it's an idealist dream, but a man can hope), but not while they have such extremists in power.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437104597
48145861,48147011,2015-07-17 03:43:28,"How much of a roll did drugs play in the development of a religion?
Pic related.",,Anonymous,Jesus as a mushroom.jpg,xbTUkCoF1AcsZ3f+4lU0iw==,US,,1437104608
48145861,48147016,2015-07-17 03:43:34,">>48146839
>east Germany
>relevant
Nein",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437104614
48145861,48147084,2015-07-17 03:47:00,">>48147011
Taoism was 100% drugs",,Anonymous,you-dont-understand.jpg,rRobMU4+7Wh3kOj6zU2oRA==,US,,1437104820
48145861,48147106,2015-07-17 03:47:52,">>48146839
Organized religion will die out in the wester world withing two generations if the trend remains the same.
It is impossible for it to die completely. There will always be someone who reads a holy book and finds faith. There will always be some one who has a vision and believes in dragons and tells that to their children.
But organized religion is being replaced by the state.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104872
48145861,48147112,2015-07-17 03:48:14,"How flattering! Someone posted my critique in /lit/
>>>/lit/6804470",,Anonymous,Bill-Hader-Eating-Popcorn-Smiling-SNL.gif,xrUI/MGcmsO94+MmpRXrwg==,US,,1437104894
48145861,48147133,2015-07-17 03:49:10,">>48147006
The peacefulness of Islam depends on what percentage of the populace is muslim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104950
48145861,48147134,2015-07-17 03:49:11,">>48147112
Wasn't there already a critique of said critique floating around?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437104951
48145861,48147140,2015-07-17 03:49:19,">>48147106
Eh, last I checked irreligion was growing by 0.5% per year in America. I think it will take a bit longer than you say",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437104959
48145861,48147169,2015-07-17 03:50:46,">>48147134
I just found out that the Christian response to my critique was actually just copy-pasta from this /lit/ fag. I initially thought it was Wolfshiem but then I challenged him on a few more things in the original image and he had no idea how to respond.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105046
48145861,48147198,2015-07-17 03:51:58,">>48147140
America is the most religious of all civilized countries (basically white countries+japan).
Europe's got a couple of decades at best before they are a small enough minority to be politically irrelevant.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9555222/2067-the-end-of-british-christianity/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105118
48145861,48147206,2015-07-17 03:52:19,">>48147140
also do you have as source on that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105139
48145861,48147220,2015-07-17 03:52:55,>>48147206,,Anonymous,GallupNones.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1437105175
48145861,48147329,2015-07-17 03:58:15,">>48147140
Yeah but thats heavily concentrated towards the boomers. When they start dieing in droves it will drop very very fast. 1/3 of the current generation is non religious and the next will be even higher. The non religious have the lowest rate of people changing groups.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105495
48145861,48147348,2015-07-17 03:59:05,">>48147220
That will make for an interesting study, because I have the (unsourced, uninformed) theory that at some point, you'll get a somewhat sudden breakdown of that number. It'll be the point where irreligion is normalized - not the majority, but also no longer something worth noting all that much. Once the stigma of irreligion falls, there's going to be a lot of ""I guess I'm christian because everyone here is and it's not american to be not christian"" people falling over - followed in turn, of course, by their children a generation later.
So long as ""god's own country"" lasts, religion in america won't decline fast. Once that falls, because the mainstream just doesn't support it anymore, too many dissenting voices, it's over.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437105545
48145861,48147384,2015-07-17 04:00:47,">>48147220
Well, Russian worst isd still better then your best",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1437105647
48145861,48147399,2015-07-17 04:01:54,">>48147348
That could also happen along with what this anon explained >>48147329
And to top it all off, the youth are already very irreligious compared to the general population. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150527124727.htm
So it's gonna be some combination of boomers dying, atheism becoming mainstream, and more young atheists being born",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105714
48145861,48147420,2015-07-17 04:03:14,">>48147169
the /lit/fag was just on the catholic general so it was a christian response it seems >>48146209
the whole image isn't all from the /lit/ poster too so maybe mixed sources?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105794
48145861,48147440,2015-07-17 04:04:07,">>48147348
So here's an interesting observation. I do not have anything other than ancedatal evicence to support my theory though: the fastest growing religion for women is New Age stuff.
Many merge their New Age with their current Christianity (since new agers like to say that Jesus and other key bible people were 'enlightened souls' they can be folded into the religion).
My whole family used to be hardcore Christian. Now every woman is a new ager, some keep their Christianity identity others do not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105847
48145861,48147472,2015-07-17 04:05:22,this thread is just one giant fedora,,Anonymous,,,RU,,1437105922
48145861,48147489,2015-07-17 04:05:52,">>48146918
Well, I would agree that nationalism can replace religion, especially if you have a ""Cult of personality"". North Korea is a great example, or Stalinism/Hitler.
But, I think nationalism is actually dying out across the Western World. Without nationalism and religion, I'm really not sure what will hold everyone together. I believe that society will necessarily collapse. Though I'm not sure when. And fundamentalism is actually growing, while moderate religion continues to die. Whether it be evangelicals, Amish, Mormons, or Islam.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/15/report-us-churches-contin_n_823701.html
Eventually the nature of government will push the radicals into a corner, society will collapse. And as I said, in the chaos, the radicals will come out on top, just as they always do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437105952
48145861,48147515,2015-07-17 04:07:15,">>48147420
I don't really care. The response is so low quality compared to the original image. It basically boils down to:
>my metaphysical premises are better than your actual physics
>I'm gonna make more baseless assertions about the nature of god to explain away your argument
>I didn't understand what the atheist wrote so I'm gonna argue against a strawman
>concludes that an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world while remaining immaterial",,Anonymous,kmu3z.png,YwFNHgSoBkJM0+fR/8L+lQ==,US,,1437106035
48145861,48147516,2015-07-17 04:07:18,*tips fedora*,,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437106038
48145861,48147528,2015-07-17 04:07:49,">>48147489
>hitler
You came to the wrong board, nigger",,Anonymous,image.jpg,trI7LGr9ASR6sDtddpV9iA==,RU,,1437106069
48145861,48147532,2015-07-17 04:08:02,">>48146918
>>48147489
The future driving force for humanity will be the Overman",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106082
48145861,48147537,2015-07-17 04:08:17,>>48147220,,Anonymous,Религиозность_в_россии.gif,MxNB9ojv3XTS3XjC11xVQw==,RU,,1437106097
48145861,48147575,2015-07-17 04:09:39,">>48147440
I've never looked into this ""new age"" stuff. Why someone would join a religion that doesn't even have tradition on its side is beyond me. Care to give me a rundown on their lunacy?
>>48147472
And you're part of it.
>>48147489
>But, I think nationalism is actually dying out across the Western World. 
Of course, but that still leaves the third option: Statism. The state - not the nation, but actually the construct of government and officials - can also replace religion, as the grand, supportive shepherd of the masses.
> And fundamentalism is actually growing
Fundamentalism always grows in cooperation with relative poverty and instability. It's not a surprise it's growing these days.
>>48147532
I actually fear the complete opposite, people being driven by appealing to the Id - hedonism, feels, the likes.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437106179
48145861,48147600,2015-07-17 04:10:33,">>48147537
Interesting... Looks like it is peaking out though. Atheism is on the rise everywhere nowadays. I blame the internet.",,Anonymous,97628.jpg,4OFyNZ8gxF0Pnk5C5xkPpA==,US,,1437106233
48145861,48147607,2015-07-17 04:10:53,">>48147112
Why would you even need to critique Aquinas? He makes claims and nothing more, that's all that matters",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437106253
48145861,48147641,2015-07-17 04:12:06,">>48147537
and for those of us that can't translate russian",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437106326
48145861,48147649,2015-07-17 04:12:34,">>48147607
His claims appeal to scientifically illiterate people. They seem intuitive, whereas most of the more modern and sophisticated science isn't intuitive or philosophically pleasing",,Anonymous,1436998881431.jpg,p177NlJsK6tl9Y9Xq+nkKQ==,US,,1437106354
48145861,48147667,2015-07-17 04:13:15,">>48147641
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106395
48145861,48147729,2015-07-17 04:15:51,">>48147607
>He makes claims and nothing more, that's all that matters
making claims of logical necessity based on premises which are entirely empirical",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106551
48145861,48147742,2015-07-17 04:16:33,">>48147729
>premises which are entirely empirical",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437106593
48145861,48147759,2015-07-17 04:17:29,">>48147575
New Age is basically a mish mash of everything 'feel goody' about religions.
There might be an after-life or reincarnation or both. Brownie points are obtained through 'meditation' or 'self-knowing' or 'buying magic crystals' basically anything that is really effortless.
Various gurus that sell magic crystals, wanna be spirtual leaders and the prophets of old are 'enlightened' people and you can follow all, some, or none of their teachings. Basically just pick your favorite parts and ignroe the rest.
They teach that all religions 'have the same message' so you can be a buddihist, hindu, Christian, paganist, etc. and still keep your old God. In this way they are hyper inclusive and 'accepting'. They like to cherry pick verses from various religions that make it sound like they all have the exact same ideology. ""Universal oneness"" etc.
There's a lot of scam artists involved that sell their charms and trinkets. Their dogma is based around being 'spiritually fulfilled' which basically means feeling special and empowered for doing actions of little value. Politically they lean towards the far left.
If you have time there's a youtube channel called Spirit Science which has hours and hours of this horseshit. (2 million subscribers). It's pretty popular to make debunking videos of Spirit Science since the channel says outrageous things like ""Stephen Hawking's theories prove that Yin Yang, healing crystals, and chakra are all real!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106649
48145861,48147801,2015-07-17 04:19:06,">>48146943
>Social justice is advanced Christianity. Check the chart.
That's the dumbest most child-like thing I've ever seen.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106746
48145861,48147823,2015-07-17 04:20:03,">>48147759
So, in other words, people found a way to monetize other peoples desire for spirituality in a time where christianity is losing its luster.
I guess it still beats islam.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437106803
48145861,48147842,2015-07-17 04:20:55,">>48147729
>logical necessity
>empirical
Anyway, Aquinas doesn't do any of those things. He takes causality (which I suppose are the empirical premises) and then basically just uses an argument from ignorance that goes 'we don't know what caused the universe, so I'm just going to fill in God, cause'
And then this is dressed up in foamy language to avoid the fact that none of the stuff Aquinas claims are actually testable, and therefore have no bearing on reality",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437106855
48145861,48147844,2015-07-17 04:21:00,">>48147575
>I've never looked into this ""new age"" stuff. Why someone would join a religion that doesn't even have tradition on its side is beyond me. Care to give me a rundown on their lunacy?
Because they're being denied an identity by secularism, so they grasp for anything.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106860
48145861,48147845,2015-07-17 04:21:05,">>48147801
Once you explain to conservatives Christians they have the same rootage as liberals it tends to make them very angry
Your response is pretty typical. Do you have any actual counter arguments?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437106865
48145861,48147892,2015-07-17 04:23:37,">>48147823
It's not very harmful. They of course have their dogma that non-believers are 'spiritually tainted'. The more hardcore ones say that if you do not 'obtain spirtual oneness' your soul will be filled with demons, bad chakra, etc and you became someone that should be outcast.
Since they are so few in numbers and have virtually no political power they don't play this angle much though.
I personally think it's going to get bigger because it's a better product. You don't need to abounden your old God, you obtain your 'spirtual' needs with less effort, and there are no cannonical holybooks or leaders so you are free to pick and choose whatever you want.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107017
48145861,48147939,2015-07-17 04:25:57,">>48147575
>Of course, but that still leaves the third option: Statism. The state - not the nation, but actually the construct of government and officials - can also replace religion, as the grand, supportive shepherd of the masses.
Well, I think we already have statism(and we have had it for a while), but I don't see America staying together in the future. I think America is going to ""Balkanize"" in probably the relatively near future. The government is getting increasingly worried about the possibility of domestic terrorism. And our economy seems to be built more and more off of massive financial bubbles. It really wouldn't take much to collapse the United States at this point.
With that said, I believe fundamentalism will continue to grow, and Christian moderates will continue to decline. Until basically all there will be left is fundamentalist Christianity.
The only thing that sucks about fundamentalist Christians, is that they usually aren't big into going to war. If more fundamentalist Muslims come here, eventually we could have ourselves a war. Them Muslims got the big-balls.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107157
48145861,48147941,2015-07-17 04:26:01,">>48146630
>Death for apostasy
Not very clear, alot of scholars said that if a Muslim changes his religion, but doesn't cause fitna he is free to go, plus after the caliphate has you, you have 3 days to become a muslim again or then he'll have to perform an action.
>Genital mutilation of women
Not obligatory
>Slavery
If you had seen the right of slaves you would have not mentioned it.
>The permission of lie to gain advantage/taqqiya
This is only in 15% of muslims(shias), Sunni Islam only gives you a right to lie if your life is in danger.
>Blaming the rape victim
Depends on the caliphate, actual sharia would always blame the rapper and give him adultery
>Acid attacks
This is performed by some retarded muslims, Sharia doesn't condone it.
>Peace by sword
In what ideology have we seen peace? Communism in atheism, jihad in Islam, crusaders in Christianity. There are no ideologies that are 100% peaceful.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1437107161
48145861,48147991,2015-07-17 04:28:10,">>48147892
>I personally think it's going to get bigger because it's a better product.
I think it'll stop growing as soon as it hits enough exposure for those pick-and-choose views to actually confront each other, because exposed members would imprint their view on the public. At that point, it'll shed most of its members and will be reduced to yet another dogmatic cult.
>>48147939
>I think America is going to ""Balkanize"" in probably the relatively near future. 
People have been worried about that for a long time, but countries have survived worse. Domestic terrorism isn't really a problem, quite the opposite, it galvanizes people against a common enemy.
What's interesting is the US economy. It can only last so long as there are nations willing to take hundreds of billions of USD per year and keep them stashed away. That's not exactly sustainable.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437107290
48145861,48148030,2015-07-17 04:30:36,">>48147845
>Once you explain to conservatives Christians they have the same rootage as liberals it tends to make them very angry
>Your response is pretty typical. Do you have any actual counter arguments?
Yes, society is dumber than it ever has been before. Art is more foolish than it has been before. Whites have never been less collectivized than they are now - at least not since prehistory. White birth rates have declined to sub-replacement levels and western society is being invaded by high-birth rate minorities that follow collectivist religions.
In other words, what you regard as ""progress"" is actually regression and destruction.
The destruction of all social institutions that marked western civilization does not bode well for its future. The destruction of family, morals, patriotism, business ethics, collective identity, and cultural homogeneity is the opposite of progress.
Religion is a social institution that prevents the ""every man for himself"" state of man that Hobbes claims is the natural state of humankind, and by which he argues for the importance of centralized state control not only of politics but of culture as well. And, this ""every man for himself"" state is the social order our new ""progressive"" overlords seem to want for humankind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc",,Anonymous,ItsNeverTheAmerifags.jpg,n2ivm1oXPXCsSGqxq4h9Ew==,US,,1437107436
48145861,48148054,2015-07-17 04:32:03,">>48147537
>Dat increasing growth rate
>dat huge population size difference between olds an young.
Once those 90% begin to drop dead its pretty much over in america. We already are noticing it in our politics.",,Anonymous,nones-exec-3[1].png,cDuuKCLUN+1dfxlQ/xVXyQ==,US,,1437107523
48145861,48148088,2015-07-17 04:33:56,">>48148030
Yeah if anyone wants a any man for himself society its those dirty progressive socialists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107636
48145861,48148091,2015-07-17 04:34:03,">>48147991
>Domestic terrorism isn't really a problem, quite the opposite, it galvanizes people against a common enemy.
It depends on the nature of the terrorism, and to what extent its overall objectives are supported by the people.
The point of domestic terrorism, is to get the ""far-right"" to support you. Those are the guys who are already in militias, who have guns, and who eagerly want to bring down this government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwbacZc0bHk",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107643
48145861,48148126,2015-07-17 04:35:11,">>48148054
>implying this graph doesn't just prove atheism is a symptom of immaturity, and when the 18-24 year olds reach 75, they won't be 90% religious too.
You dun goofed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107711
48145861,48148148,2015-07-17 04:36:09,">>48148091
But terrorism is usually coming from the left, not the right - the right usually aims for intimidation through conventional means, and gaining mass appeal among the general population. Which means it's questionable that there'll be a connection between those militias and actual terrorists.
Anyways, time to sleep, gotta be fit for the night shift tomorrow.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437107769
48145861,48148161,2015-07-17 04:36:48,kill yourself you autistic faggots.,,Anonymous,1427416831119.jpg,FwZyRiwMGselIaqoF3sJjg==,US,,1437107808
48145861,48148177,2015-07-17 04:37:47,">>48148161
oh wow, you sure got us :(",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107867
48145861,48148179,2015-07-17 04:37:50,">>48148088
>any man for himself society its those dirty progressive socialists.
That is precisely what they want as they want to destroy the glue that binds the social order together - whether it be family, religious ethics, or cultural tradition.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107870
48145861,48148224,2015-07-17 04:39:47,">>48147575
i have a book about moral psychology that says when a person wants to believe something, they ask internally ""can i believe this?"" but when they don't want to believe something, they ask ""must i believe this?""
what this means for religion is that people will slowly discard the absolute bullshit (earth made in 7 days, etc.) while holding on to the feel good stuff (god, afterlife) new age religion is just an easy way to drop the blatantly wrong while keeping the parts that you want to be true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437107987
48145861,48148250,2015-07-17 04:40:56,">>48145861
wow 
the reddit exodus is real",,Anonymous,,,SK,,1437108056
48145861,48148272,2015-07-17 04:41:35,reddit pls go,,Anonymous,retardatheists.png,jRlI1sYCdIwp4IYyuYSS+Q==,US,,1437108095
48145861,48148327,2015-07-17 04:43:32,">>48145861
ITT: Faggotry General.
Reddit should fuck off.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437108212
48145861,48148346,2015-07-17 04:44:15,,,Anonymous,I+didn+t+say+anything.+I+posted+a+picture+_5962bd9723ca38f9669688b4d155dbfb.jpg,eyHhg3eK4RdhAXtlXgY5vA==,US,,1437108255
48145861,48148381,2015-07-17 04:45:28,">>48148272
>reddit pls go
Careful just throwing around that ""autism"" word - you're playing right into the Jews' hands to ""kill the best of the goyim.""",,Anonymous,Dystopia.png,LA1lCXi5kObCq8W8LH7+Fw==,US,,1437108328
48145861,48148444,2015-07-17 04:47:57,">>48148381
>porn star
Whoa. We can't just go around throwing that title on tramps. There are whores, sluts, sluts on camera, and tramps, and even skanks. There's people that have been in porn, but are in no way porn stars. Sasha Grey is/was a porn star. The girl in my neighborhood that got filmed taking 5 dicks in an evening and got 500 bucks for it is just a whore on camera.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437108477
48145861,48148455,2015-07-17 04:48:15,">>48148381
I hope this is bait...",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1437108495
48145861,48148473,2015-07-17 04:49:14,,,Anonymous,KyfQrY4.png,jPecVyhOPkpT+Q2qv+dPSw==,US,,1437108554
48145861,48148480,2015-07-17 04:49:34,">>48148030
This isn't a counter arguement. It doesn't even address the point that you were reacting to. It's just you ranting about how if we don't have religion the evil jewish Liberals will ruin everything.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437108574
48145861,48148482,2015-07-17 04:49:38,">>48148179
So the collectivist are trying to make society every man for himself.
But the tribalists are preventing this?
I dont know...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437108578
48145861,48148490,2015-07-17 04:49:49,,,Anonymous,djYPOH6.jpg,f6cEHwRPFF+fJYqbajpYBQ==,US,,1437108589
48145861,48148570,2015-07-17 04:52:42,">>48148482
>So the collectivist are trying to make society every man for himself.
Marxists aren't really collectivists - they just use collectivist ideology and propaganda to establish a totalitarian state for looting the civilization. National Socialists and fascists are collectivists... collectivism is good - it helps you fight off foreign invaders.",,Anonymous,BlowTheRamsHorns.png,aRIIIjQGcq1ChiXpNebs4w==,US,,1437108762
48145861,48148593,2015-07-17 04:53:44,">>48148480
>It's just you ranting about how if we don't have religion the evil jewish Liberals will ruin everything.
Yes, precisely, the failure to cultivate a homogeneous cultural identity based on group pride and cultural tradition is suicide.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437108824
48145861,48148608,2015-07-17 04:54:15,,,Anonymous,6JT2C9H.jpg,zNv2SFiqjZFgc3jGEpXW7w==,US,,1437108855
48145861,48148638,2015-07-17 04:55:30,,,Anonymous,947QaiN.png,XfK+nxifbiFmG1deyItMqQ==,US,,1437108930
48145861,48148662,2015-07-17 04:56:21,">>48148161
Great argument there, burger.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437108981
48145861,48148679,2015-07-17 04:57:29,">>48145861
Basic Rules of Reality
>If, ever, you stumble upon an idea which may or may not be true, regardless of whether it actually is or not, if you wouldn't be surprised if people believe it, ALWAYS CLAIM IT IS TRUE WITH CONFIDENCE, because that's what you usually do anyway.
―Anonymous
>If no one rejects rumors and hearsay on the basis of them being obviously ridiculous, then that means they are plausible, and if they are plausible, then they might as well be true.
―Anonymous
>In a world where you suspect everyone is trolling, you have no choice but to take everyone seriously. It doesn't matter if they are trolling because it doesn't matter if they are serious.
―Anonymous
>It is not necessary for the public to know whether I am joking or whether I am serious, just as it is not necessary for me to know it myself.
―Salvador Dalí
>The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth - it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true.
―Ecclesiastes
>A falsehood which sustains order is clearly preferable to a truth which permits chaos.
―Pope Francis
>Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.
―Isaac Asimov
>Communication must become total and conscious before we can stop it.
―William S. Burroughs
>Whoever shall find the interpretation of these words shall not taste of death.
―Jesus
>Jesus never said anything about absurdity, and he never indicated for one flash of time that he was aware of the preposterousness of his theory about himself. And he didn't even try to make the theory understandable in terms of the reality and experience of the rest of us. For if everybody else is also not what Jesus said he was, what good is what he said?
―William Saroyan
>Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really understand the situation.
―Edward R. Murrow",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109049
48145861,48148684,2015-07-17 04:57:39,This thread smells like reddit,,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437109059
48145861,48148723,2015-07-17 04:59:33,">>48145861
I don't follow religion, niether do I consider myself an Atheist. But I was brought up a Christian. So my life has Christian values still. I wonder if the lack of Christian values (regardless of god, jesus, etc) is the problem children of atheist parents have,",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437109173
48145861,48148725,2015-07-17 04:59:42,"how do you people not know yet that agnosticism is not a thing on its own? for christ sake, are you retarded? what makes you think that if you dont believe in any god(s), you can just not be an atheist? that's exactly what it mean, you retard
now, you can be an agnostic atheist, but all that means is that you claim that people cant know if theres a god or not /while/ you dont believe in any god(s).
go read a fucking book, god damn",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109182
48145861,48148739,2015-07-17 05:00:22,">>48148593
>>48148593
Destruction of group pride and tradition is exactly what Christianity did though! It just did it on a lesser scale than Liberalism (since Liberalism is more advanced than Christianity).
When all the pagans converted to Christianity they were told that their entire lineage is burning in hell and that their heritage is of the devil. Religious dogma wiped out reverance for family and ancestors.
Greece! The origin of our civilization was condemned as an evil culture because they were not Christians!
The chief beleif of Christianity is not pride but shame for one's sin. Pride is literally one of the 7 deadly sins. Pride is a sin. A good Christian is humble, humblness is one of the 7 holy virtues. You are humble because you know that you were born with sin, original sin. 
""I am weak"" is literally one of the lyrics to a popular Christian song.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109222
48145861,48148756,2015-07-17 05:01:12,">>48148723
If you want Christian values just go on tumbler.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109272
48145861,48148797,2015-07-17 05:02:37,">>48148725
Learn about ""gnostic atheist"" vs ""agnostic atheist."" Nobody knows for sure vampires, unicorns, and deities don't exist though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109357
48145861,48148815,2015-07-17 05:03:35,">>48148739
I hate atheists with their historical revisionism so much. It's like they hate science.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437109415
48145861,48148818,2015-07-17 05:03:37,"Please don't start this Atheist-Chan shit, please. It's just so fucking bad. So is Christ-Chan, Ebola-Chan, Natalia and all the other shit. This board has enough cancer already, PLEASE DO NOT CREATE MORE.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437109417
48145861,48148920,2015-07-17 05:07:04,">>48148815
So pride being one of the 7 deadly sins is 'historical revisionism?
Sounds to me like you are just ignoring things about your religion you dislike.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109624
48145861,48148930,2015-07-17 05:07:37,"Anyone else think scientific realists are cancer?
I feel as an atheist constructive empiricism is the only rational viewpoint.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437109657
48145861,48148979,2015-07-17 05:09:52,">>48148920
I am agnostic, you faggot. I am OK with being associated with christian values but I don't want to be near atheism simply because you are a bunch of retarded SJW faggots who bend the truth to what they like.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437109792
48145861,48149018,2015-07-17 05:11:42,">>48147106
>But organized religion is being replaced by the state.
This is what scares me",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1437109902
48145861,48149036,2015-07-17 05:12:43,">>48148739
>Greece! The origin of our civilization was condemned as an evil culture because they were not Christians!
No, Rome was condemned as that. Early Christianity came out of Rome, not Greece.
Militarized Christianity can exist - it is better than the brand of leftist/capitalist secularism we are adopting today. I am an atheist regardless.",,Anonymous,Rolemodel.png,xuGukSgz3SDhynRNL0615Q==,US,,1437109963
48145861,48149105,2015-07-17 05:15:15,>>48146259,,Anonymous,j.jpg,OoIKSBOleouCQUOLjW/0mA==,BG,,1437110115
48145861,48149107,2015-07-17 05:15:19,">>48148818
At first, I had the same reaction.
But then I realized...
Christianity took ground here because the rest of 4chan is a cesspit of cringeworthy fedora tipping teenagers.
It is definitely appropriate that the dominant politically incorrect ideology should be Christianity, joking or serious, because it's the great irony and satire of evangelism. On an image board where users regularly exchange illustrations depicting child sexual exploitation, you *must* have Bible thumpers blaming Jews for everything and promoting genocide.
So why would we need Atheist circle jerking threads?
To troll the people who didn't get the first joke while it was still funny.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437110119
48145861,48149120,2015-07-17 05:16:11,">>48148979
Again.
Are you literally implying that pride is not one of the 7 deadly sins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Christianity does not promote pride, it's literally on it's big list of things no to do! A good Christian likened to a sheep. There are literally Christian songs where the singer compares themself to a powerless sheep!
It's a religion of weak boarderline SJ values that occasionally had to go to war. But even in war they hold onto their Liberal values. Killing was a sin, so was wrath and a crusader had to prayer after each conquest asking God to forgive him for his war. 
All you are doing is screaming insults without backing anything up. Basically you have zero counter arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437110171
48145861,48149178,2015-07-17 05:18:16,">>48149107
That's why you can see your newfaggotry. It has been long established on /pol/ that it just goes to show how far the world has sunken if /pol/ suddenly becomes a voice of reason. Now back to reddit, nigger.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437110296
48145861,48149180,2015-07-17 05:18:21,">>48149107
>Bible thumpers blaming Jews for everything and promoting genocide.
Dude the Jews really are behind tons of totally toxic culture in the west - it's insane how these fuckers manage to do it.",,Anonymous,BlackSun.jpg,aGDjPJoL1EKh88u9fU+Aiw==,US,,1437110301
48145861,48149216,2015-07-17 05:19:48,">>48149107
Honestly this thread isn't any worst than the Christian threads. It's arguably better.
You go into Christian threads and even if the atheists havn't come it degrades into a secular war (Pope is evil! Protestants are scum).
There was a neat info chart, we discussed theories on how the religious landscape is changing, we had a cool picture of Vishnu. Fedora-chan is kind of stupid, but so is most of /pol/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437110388
48145861,48149219,2015-07-17 05:19:56,">>48149105
>hey ram! It's like another mahabharat",,Anonymous,,,IN,,1437110396
48145861,48149269,2015-07-17 05:21:26,">>48149120
What the fuck do I care what christian doctrine is? I do care about things like these, though:
>When all the pagans converted to Christianity they were told that their entire lineage is burning in hell and that their heritage is of the devil.
>Greece! The origin of our civilization was condemned as an evil culture because they were not Christians!
Those are simply lies, you dumb retard.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437110486
48145861,48149396,2015-07-17 05:26:33,">>48149178
>>48149180
>>48149178
>it just goes to show how far the world has sunken if /pol/ suddenly becomes a voice of reason
That's the ""first joke"", and we're making it funny again.
You and all your friends actually thought you finally stumbled upon a community of like-minded individuals who were totally serious.
The running joke of all 4chan has always been that we're a community of geniuses who act like morons.
*tips fedora*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437110793
48145861,48149466,2015-07-17 05:29:06,">>48149269
Do you seriously not shit about Christian History. That whole idea that 'if you don't beleive in Jesus you go to hell' was something they took to heart!
From their perspective they were saving Pagans. When a Pagan settlement was conquered there was a huge line where the Pagans were given a choice between Christianity and death (about 50% picked death since they had their own beleifs about devotion being rewarded by their Gods).
There's a great video series called Europe from it's Origins that covers a lot this stuff, pretty non-biased too. Writer actually has a lot positive things to say about the Catholic Church too (mostly to do with the crusades)
And I care about Christian doctrine because it's relevant to history, philosophy, and politics. I grew up in a Christian household so I already had an understanding of some parts of it, apart from that religion is just pretty neat to study. Why do people study mythology (which is just a religion with no followers)?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437110946
48145861,48149477,2015-07-17 05:29:32,">>48149396
>You and all your friends actually thought you finally stumbled upon a community of like-minded individuals who were totally serious.
I'm well aware plenty of you are not serious, there's people who discuss things seriously here as well regardless of your desire for it to be perpetual trolling. 
The threat of leftists is not an idle one in my book.",,Anonymous,CulturalRevolution.jpg,uX55oOJkXSJ4c6bqITbpHQ==,US,,1437110972
48145861,48149531,2015-07-17 05:31:34,">>48149466
>And I care about Christian doctrine because it's relevant to history, philosophy, and politics. I grew up in a Christian household so I already had an understanding of some parts of it, apart from that religion is just pretty neat to study.
Atheists who don't know or understand Christian ideology are just making excuses for their own ignorance like Christians who believe the world was created 8000 years ago but never bothered to listen to the argument otherwise.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437111094
48145861,48149539,2015-07-17 05:31:50,">>48149477
Being ""red-pilled"" does not mean you're a racist, God-fearing Republican.
I'll go back to Reddit if you go back to Stormfront.",,Anonymous,CXXx6xG.jpg,7Evos+CgqmWZH4bCms7Rdw==,US,,1437111110
48145861,48149578,2015-07-17 05:33:47,">>48149396
You do realize that the term cultural marxist was also an ironical joke in the beginning and some 30 years later it doesn't sound like a joke at all anymore.
>>48149466
>I learned about history in a movie. Trust me
Fuck off.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437111227
48145861,48149690,2015-07-17 05:38:44,">>48149539
>Being ""red-pilled"" does not mean you're a racist, God-fearing Republican.
I'm not god-fearing, nor am I a Republican.
I am, however, a member of Stormfront as any rational white individual would be who is not willing to simply sit down and accept handing over Europe and the Anglosphere to enemy civilizations. 
You're welcome to be an adolescent edge-lord...
I actually like white western civilization - and by ""white western civilization"" I don't mean McDonalds and Miley Cyrus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAVvBF7m260",,Anonymous,NS-Fascism-1.jpg,vyzpCg0Gim2KOMOsVf0BNw==,US,,1437111524
48145861,48149720,2015-07-17 05:40:34,">>48149531
The young earth Christians are just as valid in their beliefs as any other Christians (it's all based on faith after all).
The bible keeps a pretty comprehensive list of the life span of all it's major characters. By following this time line you can see that according to their story the Adam and Eve thing happened about 8,000 years ago.
If you beleive that the bible is not lying about the life span of it's characters (some of them live to impossible amounts like 300) than it's reasonable to conclude that humanity came into existence 8,000 years ago.
Their side is pretty well researched. Total nonsense but than again so is anything else that treats the bible as a historical document.
As for why I look this up. Like I said it's incredibly interesting. Creationists, nephalim believers, all sorts of conspiracies about who Jesus really was, demons and fallen angels, great literature.
Most Christians do not like creationists because they give their religion a bad reputation but they are just as valid in their beleifs as any other Christian. Religion is about Faith, not facts.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437111634
48145861,48149738,2015-07-17 05:41:26,">>48149578
You havn't provided a single counter arguement. Not a single link.
You still think that pride is not a sin in Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437111686
48145861,48149808,2015-07-17 05:44:48,">>48149396
>The running joke of all 4chan has always been that we're a community of geniuses who act like morons.
It's hilarious that reddit believes this.
Why anyone would believe we're anything other than a bunch of social outcast weaboo shitposters is beyond me.",,Anonymous,1421911213734.jpg,LPRGDwjIw7dZkYgiBaVHgw==,US,,1437111888
48145861,48149830,2015-07-17 05:45:46,">>48149690
Stormfags were never invited.
No one cares about your ""Day of the Rope"".
It's not going to happen. You are literally regarded as ""terrorists"". There is no mainstream community where you can organize and rally any white people who are sympathetic to your cause, and of those that are sympathetic to your cause, a majority of them aren't even fucking ""white"".
You're a joke. We poke fun at you by triggering faggots, Jews, and niggers with your beliefs, and you get to be the victim because you take it seriously, lol.",,Anonymous,penn_jillette.jpg,srnrzhJPj6EjJ4N4UKVcKg==,US,,1437111946
48145861,48149868,2015-07-17 05:47:12,">>48149808
way way way WAY back in the day this was sort of true. Back when 4chan was actually unknown and the sexy woman board consisted 80% of asian threads because literally every one on board was a weebu.
Back than we were a lot smarter and took joy in pretending to be stupid.
I guess the idea of it turned into a myth",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437112032
48145861,48149908,2015-07-17 05:49:11,">>48149690
Ideologically the stormfront people arn't too bad. If they can get over their fear 'da jews' it might be a good force for cultural advancement.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437112151
48145861,48149946,2015-07-17 05:50:54,">>48149868
The mission is to destroy 4chan.
If this site went the way of Reddit-tier censorship, we'd die of laughter and go somewhere else.",,Anonymous,ab50480a5de9cf3302c6d1f0ce19b3af.jpg,VkpdPhXZ3xoNPahkoqS/bw==,US,,1437112254
48145861,48149989,2015-07-17 05:53:05,,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437112385
48145861,48150025,2015-07-17 05:54:51,">>48149830
>It's not going to happen. You are literally regarded as ""terrorists"". There is no mainstream community where you can organize and rally any white people who are sympathetic to your cause, and of those that are sympathetic to your cause, a majority of them aren't even fucking ""white"".
Hey, at least I don't idolize libertarians like Penn Jillette...",,Anonymous,spqr.jpg,o0cTfShA03zgle3liVJ5xg==,US,,1437112491
48145861,48150057,2015-07-17 05:56:00,">>48149908
>If they can get over their fear 'da jews' it might be a good force for cultural advancement.
Jews are the enemies of culture.",,Anonymous,AntonOyVey.png,2wvO+OK9Rn2FURw+FZLX1A==,US,,1437112560
48145861,48150144,2015-07-17 05:59:48,">>48150057
Jews are powerful which means that when their great achievements are powerful and so are their mistakes.
You might as well say white people are the enemies of mankind because they made the mistake of democracy.
Also lol at Anton Vey. He's an insignicant person that started a failed religion. After he died any shred of intelligence left it and it degenerated into a bunch of adults playing dress up. The actual meaning of Satanism was lost and it reads more like some edge flavored New Age bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437112788
48145861,48150199,2015-07-17 06:02:48,">>48150057
what a clean head",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437112968
48145861,48150203,2015-07-17 06:03:03,">>48149868
4chan as a whole is much more intellectual now that it ever was before, don't give me this fatalist nonsense about how much better it was back before all the cancer because that's a load of bullshit.
When people talk about us being smarter back in the day or geniuses pretending to be idiots. they're referring to our pervasive sense of self aware absurdism. In the past we were never intellectual, or anything for that matter, just a bunch of faggots hanging out. 
The only time we 'pretended' to be something we were not was to get lulz from picking at those who have no self awareness, that has never changed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437112983
48145861,48150224,2015-07-17 06:04:15,">>48150025
>idolize
You're still not catching on.
The government could come try to take all your guns, confederate flags, and nazi memorabilia.
I don't give a fuck if they succeed. I'll be fucking laughing my ass off whether you cuck out like a bitch and hand them over or manage to get 300 confirmed kills with your elite 360 noscope skillz.
It was never about the end result. It was the process which must continue indefinitely.",,Anonymous,gmork.gif,0ivRRpUvkXTQMMYRX2uHjw==,US,,1437113055
48145861,48150229,2015-07-17 06:04:22,">>48150144
>You might as well say white people are the enemies of mankind because they made the mistake of democracy.
Freemasons are the enemy of mankind.
>Also lol at Anton Vey.
I just picked a random degenerate Jew I had a pic for... there's plenty more where that came from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3kplBJF6g",,Anonymous,ItsNeverTheJews.png,oV4CL3VLZLJq2OxFN3vMJg==,US,,1437113062
48145861,48150260,2015-07-17 06:05:40,">>48150224
>The government could come try to take all your guns, confederate flags, and nazi memorabilia.
I despise the Confederacy...",,Anonymous,Honor.png,fFn2s/svNUtnPLdYGnwmfA==,US,,1437113140
48145861,48150298,2015-07-17 06:07:51,">>48150224
>The government could come try to take all your guns, confederate flags, and nazi memorabilia.
Anyone who thinks National Socialism and the Southern Confederate Aristocracy are compatible is historically, economically, and culturally illiterate.",,Anonymous,Hamsun.jpg,SLvnvVdYw+rkZNKIHRvuOw==,US,,1437113271
48145861,48150325,2015-07-17 06:09:02,">>48150229
A cruel trickster race of people that wants to destroy civilzation is out to attack MY race. All the trickster race's supposed achievments are just historical revision. Look at all the evil things the trickster race has done!
This is the mentality of anti-semetics. It also the mentality of the anti-white black supremacists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0DtMiYxEM
As I said before the Jews are a very smart race. Smartness means not only will they be top tier in creation (for instance all their scientific advancments) but top tier in destruction.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113342
48145861,48150339,2015-07-17 06:09:25,">>48150298
You'd be surprised how many idiots here collect both of them because ""kikes and niggers lel"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113365
48145861,48150366,2015-07-17 06:10:48,">>48150339
>You'd be surprised how many idiots here collect both of them because ""kikes and niggers lel"".
The Secretary of War for the entire CSA was a kike - wherever there are white man killing other white men, there's always some kike behind it fomenting rebellion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113448
48145861,48150402,2015-07-17 06:12:08,">>48150325
>Smartness means not only will they be top tier in creation (for instance all their scientific advancments) but top tier in destruction.
Jews succeed in science by convincing white men to disregard it with their media machine - not by inherent superiority.",,Anonymous,Wernher_von_Braun.jpg,0Ffy6SMyo8NzYv68i/Ic9Q==,US,,1437113528
48145861,48150421,2015-07-17 06:13:16,">>48150366
Jews are in a crap load of political position. They are genetically well off and have a strong society that advances their own people (the same fucking type of society stormfags want for themself)
You sound like those blacks that say 'how come whenever a black man is killed there is always a white man connected'
The white people are in leadership positions for the damn reason the jews are mr. nigger. They are genetically better off and tend to form communities that are help their own kind more.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113596
48145861,48150434,2015-07-17 06:13:47,">>48150366
Kikes kill each other.
What else is new.",,Anonymous,nazionmetal.jpg,ysv78qBJRiFao/UGPYzh3A==,US,,1437113627
48145861,48150468,2015-07-17 06:15:20,">>48150402
just like how the white devil succeeds in science by stealing the black man's technology and using his evil media to take credit right!
""Einstein was a thieving jew not a genius!"" Is the same crap as blacks that scream that the white man stole all their ideas from Egyptians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113720
48145861,48150480,2015-07-17 06:15:43,">>48150434
>Kikes kill each other.
>What else is new.
The Reich's relationship to Zionism is like my relationship to Zionism and Breivik's relationship to Zionism - we want the kikes gone - Israel is a place to put them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113743
48145861,48150534,2015-07-17 06:17:50,">>48150468
>just like how the white devil succeeds in science by stealing the black man's technology and using his evil media to take credit right!
When did I say the scientific discoveries of Jews are not actually by Jews but stolen from white men?
I said the Jews use the media machine to discourage white men from pursuing science... after all, you don't want to be an autistic loser like Sheldon right?
The difference between Jews and whites these days is simple: whites have fallen for the de-collectivization lie, Jews are still highly collectivist.",,Anonymous,ChuckLorre.jpg,jtMNn5Mpye9aq7bU8MsIdg==,US,,1437113870
48145861,48150571,2015-07-17 06:19:34,">>48150468
>Einstein was a thieving jew not a genius
Have you read Einstein's political theories? Either he was a complete half-wit when it came to anything other than physics, or he was a lying demagogue like most Jews who used his actual accomplishments in physics to gain credit and then worked to destroy western civilization with lies and demagoguery, like Noam Chomsky.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437113974
48145861,48150580,2015-07-17 06:20:00,">>48150480
The Reich is over.
Forever.
You're outnumbered and outgunned by your own race.
It's time to move on.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114000
48145861,48150613,2015-07-17 06:21:36,">>48145861
What if I'm a devout Christian, but think that secular government / society is best for everyone and admire the secular humanist ethic?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114096
48145861,48150625,2015-07-17 06:22:11,">>48150580
lest you might just find yourself...
*drumroll*
...on the wrong side of history
*crash*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114131
48145861,48150667,2015-07-17 06:23:50,">>48150534
>the big bang theory was made to discourage white people from being scientists
This is stupid even by /pol/ standards. Most of the jokes on that show don't even have anything to do with science and a cornerstone of comedy is having stupid/flawed characters.
Jews are actually losing their identity. They are one of the fastest dropping faiths in the USA and a huge among of jews are marrying outside their race. Hell according to some studies a majority of Jews have a negative opinion of Isreal.
The temple I went to once had a Rabbi that fucking talked about how Palestine had more of a right to the land!
The idea of the 'united jews' is falling apart as they marry more and more Goyim and start seeing themself as just another type of white person.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114230
48145861,48150681,2015-07-17 06:24:35,">>48145983
>had had
Nice grammar, I guess.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114275
48145861,48150700,2015-07-17 06:25:16,">>48150580
>The Reich is over.
>Forever.
>You're outnumbered and outgunned by your own race.
>It's time to move on.
Just because the entire world tells me the world is flat doesn't mean I will accept that as true. Neither will I accept destructive policies and cultures for western civilization as healthy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114316
48145861,48150722,2015-07-17 06:26:34,">>48150571
So when Einstein uses his genius contrabition to science to spout stupid political ideas its a conspiracy.
But when Bill Nye uses his contrabituion to a fucking children's show to spout stupid political ideas it's not.
Using your fame to advance yourself isn't a ""jewish idea"" it's the natural thing that people do if they want a soap box to stand on.
You are sounding like the niggers that think every dumb idea white people had is a conspiracy to ruin their community.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114394
48145861,48150732,2015-07-17 06:27:01,">>48150667
>The temple I went to once had a Rabbi that fucking talked about how Palestine had more of a right to the land!
Yes, Jews are the enemy of civilization and culture, like I said.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114421
48145861,48150774,2015-07-17 06:28:47,">>48150700
You don't have to accept them as healthy.
You just have to accept them.
>shitting on libertarian principles
>being butthurt that you don't get the specific version of authoritarianism you wanted",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114527
48145861,48150776,2015-07-17 06:28:49,">>48150613
>government
>humanist
lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114529
48145861,48150820,2015-07-17 06:31:01,">>48150722
>So when Einstein uses his genius contrabition to science to spout stupid political ideas its a conspiracy.
>But when Bill Nye uses his contrabituion to a fucking children's show to spout stupid political ideas it's not.
Bill Nye has a bachelors in science, Albert Einstein was legitimately intelligent.
> You are sounding like the niggers that think every dumb idea white people had is a conspiracy to ruin their community.
Count me a ""conspiracy theorist,"" along with Churchill, Goebbels, Henry Ford, and JFK... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsfX6xqCBks
White people generally tried to improve the culture of niggers after slavery's abolition by teaching them Christianity, family, education, literacy, etc. - Jews work to degrade healthy cultures - there's a difference.",,Anonymous,TheInternationalJew.png,zQZAbb3gmA2uZ4amAUbKbw==,US,,1437114661
48145861,48150836,2015-07-17 06:32:11,">>48150774
>>shitting on libertarian principles
Always...",,Anonymous,1385902099214.jpg,7TXcLGHXXw2qVKv2w2BvGQ==,US,,1437114731
48145861,48150877,2015-07-17 06:33:47,">>48150732
Right you use inventions made by the Jews and than complain they are running civilization.
It's like the black person using his fucking iphone (a white invention) to tweet (a white website) about how whites are ruining civilization.
Come up with a list of a few thousand jews that did some bad things like how blacks come up with a list of every person that ever owned a slave ever. Than say it's proof that the race is born evil.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114827
48145861,48150923,2015-07-17 06:36:14,">>48150820
>Christianity
Christianity was put together by a Jew named Saul who later changed his named to Paul you retard. He's easily the most important author of the bible and used status as a Roman citizen to work the religion from a weird jewish cult to a mainstream religion practiced by the elite.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437114974
48145861,48150958,2015-07-17 06:37:39,">>48150836
Let me give you a fucking hint:
Judaism is not one person.
For every political ideology you can come up with, I guarantee I can find a Jew promoting it.
Disagreeing with something because you hate Jews is about as sensible as throwing away your modern PC because the design of its logic circuits had significant contributions from a homosexual.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437115059
48145861,48151040,2015-07-17 06:41:21,">>48150877
>Come up with a list of a few thousand jews that did some bad things like how blacks come up with a list of every person that ever owned a slave ever. Than say it's proof that the race is born evil.
If Jews work to undermine my culture and society, they are my enemy. Sergei Korolev was a genius but I would not advocate him working for NASA in the 50's. Similarly, regardless of Jewish accomplishments, as long as he wages war on whites, he is my enemy.
Unlike niggers, whites actually have a legitimate culture to defend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437115281
48145861,48151112,2015-07-17 06:44:23,">>48150923
>Christianity was put together by a Jew named Saul who later changed his named to Paul you retard. He's easily the most important author of the bible and used status as a Roman citizen to work the religion from a weird jewish cult to a mainstream religion practiced by the elite.
I am not a Christian, nor am I particularly fond of Christianity - but it is the current dominant cultural ethos of whites as much as I wish that were not the case... There are other white cultures I would find much more conducive to white self defense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I
However, Christians and I share a common enemy: leftist Bolshevic and neo-capitalist secularism.",,Anonymous,rothko5.png,ruQ+L5IKhAEjWvPq44KQ9Q==,US,,1437115463
48145861,48151171,2015-07-17 06:47:06,">>48151040
Right. Our culture was just figured out how to print human organs from a machine and is 20 years away from fucking gene therapy is declining! Because a few million powerless make angry tumblr posts about a tranny.
You are basically standing in El Dorodo complaining about the dust in the cracks on the sidwalk.
Nietzche explains it best.
Waste, decay, elimination need not be condemned: they are necessary consequences of life, of the growth of life. The phenomenon of decadence is as necessary as any increase and advance of life: one is in no position to abolish it. Reason demands, on the contrary, that we do justice to it.
 It is a disgrace for all socialist systematizers that they suppose there could be circumstances — social combinations — in which vice, disease, prostitution, distress would no longer grow.— But that means condemning life.— A society is not free to remain young. And even at the height of its strength it has to form refuse and waste materials. The more energetically and boldly it advances, the richer it will be in failures and deformities, the closer to decline.— Age is not abolished by means of institutions. Neither is disease. Nor vice.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437115626
48145861,48151185,2015-07-17 06:47:42,">>48150958
>For every political ideology you can come up with, I guarantee I can find a Jew promoting it.
Yes, this is a tendency which leads me to believe the Jews are enemies, it is one of the characteristics listed in Henry Ford's ""The International Jew"" - the fact that Jews use demagoguery in many different forms to divide society.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437115662
48145861,48151226,2015-07-17 06:50:09,">>48151171
>The phenomenon of decadence is as necessary as any increase and advance of life: one is in no position to abolish it.
That's ludicrous, anything one puts their mind to can be accomplished. Nazi Germany destroyed tons of decadence, including ending Berlin as the prostitution capital of Europe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437115809
48145861,48151255,2015-07-17 06:51:16,">>48151185
Possible...
Or maybe, there is no sinister conspiracy to destroy everything (which I am unironically in on) and Jews legitimately don't always agree on things, and that's a fucking ridiculous reason for anti-semitism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437115876
48145861,48151319,2015-07-17 06:53:53,">>48145861
> Atheism General
Ffs, now we will have a general for everything? What next, islam general?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437116033
48145861,48151331,2015-07-17 06:54:33,">>48151185
A few thousand years all: vices, evils, and social ills were said to be caused by evil demons or trickster phantoms.
Any deed against the betterment of the group if not directly caused by the invisible trickster was at least influenced by him. 
Fastfoward to Christianity and we learn that all the trickster demons were actually 1 single entity The Devil. The source of all evil in the world.
Fastforward to present day. God is dead and only fringe Christians literally believe the devil stalks the earth causing chaos. So the roll is pasted onto the Jews. The new tricksters, who plot against us all. Every alignment you will find them in!
Have ever read the Protocols of Zionism. Apparently prohibition was an evil scheme by the jews! But than it goes onto say alcoholism is also one of their plots! Literally every problem is attributed to this new 'trickster' even if it's contradicting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437116073
48145861,48151345,2015-07-17 06:55:21,"Nothing wrong grammatically there, any more than ""if they had been (tried, eaten, gone, etc.)"" Auxiliary verb and participial verb are both correctly formed for past tense, perfect aspect sentence.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437116121
48145861,48151355,2015-07-17 06:55:49,">>48151319
To be honest, concentrating everything related to one topic in a general thread is probably a lot better than 20 re-posts of the same controversial news story featuring Caitlyn Jenner or the latest nigger who died at the hands of a white person.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437116149
48145861,48151378,2015-07-17 06:56:53,">>48151345
Forgot to quote the post.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437116213
48145861,48151389,2015-07-17 06:57:25,">>48151226
To re quote Nietzsche ""Age is not abolished by means of institutions. Neither is disease""
To sum up his idea evenly simplier. A lion must produce smelly shit. The stronger the lion grows, the more consumes, the more shit it produces. The lion cannot stop producing shit because it is an outcome of the very thing that advances it!
In other words if you can't even stop people from producing smelly poop you can't stop them from far more complicated forms of filth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437116245
48145861,48151435,2015-07-17 06:59:51,">>48150681
>had had
>Nice grammar, I guess.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437116391
48145861,48151450,2015-07-17 07:00:50,">>48151331
>So the roll is pasted onto the Jews. The new tricksters, who plot against us all. Every alignment you will find them in!
>Have ever read the Protocols of Zionism. Apparently prohibition was an evil scheme by the jews! But than it goes onto say alcoholism is also one of their plots! Literally every problem is attributed to this new 'trickster' even if it's contradicting.
I attribute to enemies only that which enemies do. ""The devil"" is a myth - the Jews are not.",,Anonymous,Dead_alfredrosenberg.jpg,bKulktGf/952uMIPZILsgA==,US,,1437116450
48145861,48151530,2015-07-17 07:05:18,">>48151389
>In other words if you can't even stop people from producing smelly poop you can't stop them from far more complicated forms of filth.
Just like Hitler, I am not a social Darwinist when it comes to my people, I refuse to participate in poisoning my people with ""lion shit"" just because some asshat libertarian tells me ""it's inevitable.""
""Degrade first the Arts if you'd Mankind degrade, Hire Idiots to Paint with cold light & hot shade: Give high Price for the worst, leave the best in disgrace, And with Labours of Ignorance fill every place."" - William Blake
http://www.dailystormer.com/depraved-feminist-drama-teacher-performs-degraded-porn-act-in-front-of-horrified-students/",,Anonymous,JewCommie2.png,rwdSWbc3k9+Rf3LvaDx+Vg==,US,,1437116718
48145861,48151613,2015-07-17 07:08:52,">>48151450
>They are my enemy because they do X.
>I attribute X to my enemies because they are my enemies.",,Anonymous,images.jpg,q2Vb/Eb2kht6+TwctUjizQ==,US,,1437116932
48145861,48151644,2015-07-17 07:10:16,">>48151530
Lions shit because by eating they become stronger.
Degenerate art is made from lower life forms seeing superior art and getting ressentful and jealous.
In other words just like the lion's nurish produces smelly shitty the great beautiful arts produce resentful ameturs that smear feces on a canvas.
The healthiest feast will make the lion produce the most shit and the most beautiful masterpiece will breed the most bitter anti-artists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117016
48145861,48151676,2015-07-17 07:11:39,">>48151613
>>They are my enemy because they do X.
>>I attribute X to my enemies because they are my enemies.
That is not my argument. I know they are my enemy because they do X.",,Anonymous,transfag2.jpg,yvvnriMq6kLQlFNXWaYDCw==,US,,1437117099
48145861,48151779,2015-07-17 07:16:21,">>48151676
>roll
>not role
>being corrected in English by a Cambodian, albeit on a board dedicated to his countries traditions of shadow puppetry
Given your low grasp of english m80, I think we can just dismiss you as a bottom tier retard who does not even have the ability to make change at a gas station, looser.
Capcha, bread all rolls.",,Anonymous,,,KH,,1437117381
48145861,48151785,2015-07-17 07:16:44,">>48151676
leave it. This is way off topic already.
New topic. I plan to have kids soon and I want to keep them away from religion until they are old enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality. I don't want children who still find Santa Clause rational to be hoodwinked.
What is an appropriate age to expose children to religion. I'd like to eventually show them what it's like inside a Church, Temple, Mosque, and whatever the hell Buddihist go to so they can see how other people conduct themself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117404
48145861,48151788,2015-07-17 07:16:44,">>48151676
They do *everything*.
Just like everybody else.
It's not like they all got together in a secret meeting and agreed to promote contradictory things so white people would be confused.
And if white people are so easy to confuse, then they're definitely not worth preserving.",,Anonymous,110449-108335.jpg,999klV27BYmacv0FVBu2tA==,US,,1437117404
48145861,48151838,2015-07-17 07:18:59,">>48151644
>Degenerate art is made from lower life forms seeing superior art and getting ressentful and jealous.
Yes, but only in Judaized western culture is this 15 minute horror show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KIcgiFCeY
For some reason considered equal to this exquisite beauty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OGPso1rbx0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117539
48145861,48151880,2015-07-17 07:20:57,">>48151779
>Given your low grasp of english m80, I think we can just dismiss you as a bottom tier retard who does not even have the ability to make change at a gas station, looser.
>Capcha, bread all rolls.
I'm searching for a place where I used the word ""role"" and I cannot find it. Perhaps you can show me. I do occasionally make ""phonetic typos.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117657
48145861,48151937,2015-07-17 07:23:23,">>48151838
You can go on Deviant art right now and find all sorts of horrors and people that consider the terrible art to be equal or better than real art.
The anti-artists can sit in their own little corners and circle-jerk. They are a loud minority, as opposed to healthy people who are the silent majority.
The real art will be celebrated by the majority. We actually advancing art far further than it ever has been. With the digital age we can have moving art (movies) and interactive art (video games). They are a COMBINATION of the more primitive arts. The visuals of a painting and the soundtrack of music.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117803
48145861,48151945,2015-07-17 07:23:37,>tfw no more fedorachan,,Anonymous,1434935701919.gif,b7+EpN8MbBj9ocUiz2ay7A==,US,,1437117817
48145861,48151993,2015-07-17 07:25:34,">>48151937
>The real art will be celebrated by the majority.
It really isn't. When Jackson Pollock is selling for 150 million and the top tier academics actually consider it real art rather than some sort of twisted elitist personality cult, then I consider that a serious cultural problem.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117934
48145861,48152008,2015-07-17 07:26:14,">>48151676
Take your fucking image for example.
If the sacred, wise, superior white man is so gullible as to allow this shit to influence his society, then it is clear that the evil manipulators have the upper hand here, because the white man is obviously a dumbfuck and deserves the parasitical infestations he attracts.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437117974
48145861,48152099,2015-07-17 07:30:14,">>48151880
>>48151450
It was actually here
>So the roll is pasted onto the Jews.
Which you recited from here
>>48151331
So it wasn't you at all.
Sorry bro
Again, capcha sandwiches, which were all buns or rolls...",,Anonymous,,,KH,,1437118214
48145861,48152203,2015-07-17 07:34:10,">>48151993
The 2d art world is a way for rich people with poor taste in art to have a comepetion with each other. To see who can get the biggest gallery or the most rare pieces.
They do not care if it's good art. They care about the contest. They would just as easily do it with Jackson Pollock as they would with a Rembrant.
The trashy modern art is easier to produce, you can make 50 in the time it takes to make 1 Remrbant. So it makes the 'game' more exciting for them.
I repeat. The 2d art world is just millionairs having a contest to see who can buy the most stuff, it does not represent the feelings of the general public (what average joe has $150 million to spend on a painting?).
Art dealers push for the faster produce modern art because it lets themsell more paintings to dumb rich kids who literally do not care about art. They care about the contest and bragging that they have more rare art than other losers at the country club.
The prefered art of the masses is TV and Video games (as shown by how much they spand on it). A single frame of Metroid Prime, Crysis, or any random Pixar movie is far more artistically advanced than Polluck's puke. The public knows this which is why only loser millionaires care about Polluck.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437118450
48145861,48152248,2015-07-17 07:36:19,Who else here is member of free thinker`s association or any similar atheist organizations?,,Anonymous,1428103983571.png,FIuMqJUn3Fxrj66uqbs6dg==,FI,,1437118579
48145861,48152254,2015-07-17 07:36:32,">>48152008
>If the sacred, wise, superior white man is so gullible as to allow this shit to influence his society, then it is clear that the evil manipulators have the upper hand here
Yes, which is why people like me fight to expose the lies they have fallen for. The white race is a domesticated race, prone to obedience and trust of authority. They are not one to generally immediately recognize when a hostile actor takes over their leadership. This was Hitler's contention regarding whites - they are incapable of recognizing massive liars like Jews. They are, unfortunately, a credulous people not particularly fond of war and conflict and disdainful of sadism - which is why they do not readily recognize when a psychopath aims to do them harm.",,Anonymous,Ford.jpg,80mDICfEyew4S2CT0CO6/A==,US,,1437118592
48145861,48152359,2015-07-17 07:40:40,">>48146508
Nice pic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437118840
48145861,48152410,2015-07-17 07:42:41,">>48152203
>Art dealers push for the faster produce modern art because it lets themsell more paintings to dumb rich kids who literally do not care about art. They care about the contest and bragging that they have more rare art than other losers at the country club.
Of course they do - which is why the cosmopolitan capitalists are on the chopping block along with the Jews.",,Anonymous,goebbels.jpg,IfUPheGMMJTENnG3yHcDNg==,US,,1437118961
48145861,48152470,2015-07-17 07:45:12,">>48152254
>>48152410
Fuck off, this is not the general for you and your anti-semitism.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437119112
48145861,48152499,2015-07-17 07:46:16,">>48152470
Antisemitism is perfectly relevant to atheism. Its just anti-Judaism instead of anti-Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437119176
48145861,48152537,2015-07-17 07:47:55,">>48152499
>Antisemitism is perfectly relevant to atheism. Its just anti-Judaism instead of anti-Christianity.
To be fair, this started with discussing Jewish Bolshevikized atheism.",,Anonymous,Silverman.png,jI6UELJJCcut37v+53IjOQ==,US,,1437119275
48145861,48152548,2015-07-17 07:48:30,">>48152410
There is plenty of work of real talented 2d artists.
If you are a good artist and willing to do commissions of fan stuff (video games, anime etc) you will literally have enough demands to work 365 days a yeah.
There's also a HUGE demand for concept/promotional artists in the world of video game development.
(Yes I am talking about games a lot because that's where the art world is going. The public still wants landscapes but they want these landscapes to be fantasy battlegrounds where Orcs and Elves battle)
The anti-artists are actually the ones that have trouble finding employment. Sleezeball art universities have thousands of wanna-be artists that all poop on a canvas and only the ones that become friends with the head of staff can go on to sell their feces. The rest will work at starbucks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437119310
48145861,48152627,2015-07-17 07:51:50,">>48152537
Ok.exe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437119510
48145861,48152647,2015-07-17 07:52:29,">>48152548
>If you are a good artist and willing to do commissions of fan stuff (video games, anime etc) you will literally have enough demands to work 365 days a yeah.
I'm talking about art that defines cultures - high art - not prolefeed - of which 99.9% of video game art is.
If you can sell the Emperor proverbial ""invisible clothes"" like Mark Rothko - you're an enemy of the people as much as the Emperor is a fool.",,Anonymous,Hitler-Degenerate-Art.jpg,VbK7w94ABHbSZiaqnTpTaA==,US,,1437119549
48145861,48152655,2015-07-17 07:52:58,">>48152470
He's just derailing the thread to drive the atheists away because he's worried that it will attract a bunch of Jew-loving Redditors and ruin his White Nationalist recruitment campaign.
Shills gonna shill.",,Anonymous,MV5BMTQ5MTM5NjUyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTQxMzU3Mg@@._V1__SX1858_SY880_.jpg,iWfOSMFNlnFNTa5U+S5JyA==,US,,1437119578
48145861,48152706,2015-07-17 07:54:38,">>48145861
I want redditors to kill themselves.
Now.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437119678
48145861,48152770,2015-07-17 07:57:27,">>48152706
Ok.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437119847
48145861,48152772,2015-07-17 07:57:31,">>48152706
In light of recent events on Reddit, after so many years, now would be a really good time to see what this tripcode thing is all about.
Maybe I'll even start posting facebook pics of random fuckwits that annoy me in the hopes of getting them raided, because anons still haven't learned that's what tripfags do.",,Anonymous,cypher steak.jpg,KguxU9KV0SZ1V8PhxGL2ZA==,US,,1437119851
48145861,48152820,2015-07-17 07:59:22,">>48152770
I still don't understand why you can't make a subreddit of your own.
Are you so insecure that every single site on the net must cater to your fedora and encourage your sucking of ahmed's dick?
>>48152772
Fucking die.",,Anonymous,1436639389913.gif,VesWcFrKy53V3etu+wkZsA==,RO,,1437119962
48145861,48152978,2015-07-17 08:05:32,">>48152820
>I still don't understand why you can't make a subreddit of your own.
Never been, so...
Reminds me of /tg/ fags saying ""I wish pol would leave."" I've been a 4chan denizen since well before /new/ became /pol/.
> and encourage your sucking of ahmed's dick?
Christians statistically speaking like gays and muslims more than atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437120332
48145861,48153007,2015-07-17 08:06:45,">>48152820
I've never even made a post on Reddit. I can probably count the number of times I've browsed the site on two hands. It's the rating system which enables the community to silence people which drives me away.
The people there are just as full of shit as the people here, and their blind devotion to this specific site instead of the veil of anonymity in general is so cute.
>ITT: Ask a red-pilled transgender anything.",,Anonymous,b2e0bc3fbcf5e30b4174c4f662098466.jpg,4VoSJ9eQgeIYPV04PVM4KA==,US,,1437120405
48145861,48153057,2015-07-17 08:08:24,">>48152978
I'm a frequent /tg/er and it's become full of tumblrkikes recently, and I actually gain a lot of respect for anybody that tries to bring /tg/ back in shape
>>48153007
>red pilled
>transgender
Regardless, reddit is full of obscure right-wing subreddits that don't get downloaded to oblivion either because they have downvotes disabled or because barely anybody knows about them.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437120504
48145861,48153174,2015-07-17 08:13:29,">>48153057
>I'm a frequent /tg/er and it's become full of tumblrkikes recently,
At least it isn't as bad for me personally as it was for me about a year ago, when I got banned for this and for far more minor things. In 2008 I got banned for stuff endlessly not even political, just ""I like new edition better"" type stuff.",,Anonymous,banned for holocaust questioning.png,DWQ5bF1zFs4X9WuOacnUww==,US,,1437120809
48145861,48153217,2015-07-17 08:15:20,">>48153174
I'm actually pretty newfag, so I didn't manage to see those days.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437120920
48145861,48153218,2015-07-17 08:15:21,>>48148161,,Anonymous,67868.jpg,TDLfQut0dTDZ2O8Nl2ar6Q==,AU,,1437120921
48145861,48153238,2015-07-17 08:15:59,">>48153057
It's not just up/downvotes.
The reputation associated with your ID is just as fucking sad.
Anything that allows users to keep track of each other is just miserable and leads to so much circle-jerking.
I don't use social media to make friends. I use it to make enemies.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437120959
48145861,48153362,2015-07-17 08:20:33,">>48152655
>He's just derailing the thread to drive the atheists away because he's worried that it will attract a bunch of Jew-loving Redditors and ruin his White Nationalist recruitment campaign.
I am an atheist.",,Anonymous,ethnocentrism.jpg,qpd0DpH2EdkO+OZItH7pfQ==,US,,1437121233
48145861,48153371,2015-07-17 08:20:56,">>48153238
There's this thing called ""throwaway account""
I spent a lot of time in there, and I was getting really tired of all their SJW kikery, until I discovered 4chan. Now I'm here, not being a faggot.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437121256
48145861,48153458,2015-07-17 08:24:50,">>48153217
And well before that, there was literal shitposting, compleat tranny image dumps, touhou image dumps, and touhou image galleries of them taking dumps, etc. /tg/'s on a downward slope at the moment, but its not the most degenerate I've seen it at. So at least that's good.
Also I've seen more people calling out SJWs/lefties than ever before.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437121490
48145861,48153500,2015-07-17 08:26:27,">>48153458
Because now they sitck out. It's like a tumor. It grows, you remove enough of it to not be noticed, and then it grows again.
Hitler was a surgeon we could use.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437121587
48145861,48153548,2015-07-17 08:28:16,">>48153362
>>48149477
>The threat of leftists is not an idle one in my book.
Then why did you make this comment?
I don't remember anyone encouraging left-wing political ideology, so I just assumed you meant nihilistic fucks like me who really would like to see the machines and the humans get fucked.
Since so many of you are convinced that anything left-wing is a deliberate construction to corrupt everyone and everything you hold dear instead of a shallow emotional reaction to anything they find unfair.",,Anonymous,AgentSmith.jpg,zJ/ubZIYvolmj+ybn1ZQPQ==,US,,1437121696
48145861,48153574,2015-07-17 08:29:24,">>48149738
>You still think that pride is not a sin in Christianity.
I think that you are fucking retarded or that you are deliberately missing my point. I never said you are a fuking faggot for your dumb shit about pride. I talked aout your historical revisionism, nigger.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437121764
48145861,48153578,2015-07-17 08:29:26,">>48151435
It's proper grammar. The first 'had' indicates tense and the second one is the main verb.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437121766
48145861,48153619,2015-07-17 08:31:12,">>48153574
>>48149738
I think it was lust and sloth were originally luxuria and acedia (luxury & despair). I've never heard the idea of pride not being an original vice.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437121872
48145861,48153929,2015-07-17 08:42:38,">>48152647
Video games do define culture though idiot.
Crysis is a celebration of the American military for instance. The Greek mythology is immortalized in fantasy rpgs. The conquest/warrior spirit celebrated in all the violent action. 
Strictly speaking video games are the most advanced form of art ever made. The visuals of old 2d art, the form sculpture, the writing of text art, the sound of music, all rolled into one with a new interactive level of art.
Calling the most advanced art prole-feed basically shows that you artistically an idiot.
A battle scene between heroes and monsters is 'high art' when it's on a canvas but adding music, movement, and interactivity suddenly makes it 'not high art'?
Once you get down to it a movie or video game is basically 60 portraits per second with a soundtrack thrown in!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437122558
48145861,48154016,2015-07-17 08:46:03,">>48153574
You have not made a single point about history. You have just basless accused me of 'historical revionism' without even saying what particular part I made up.
Literally all of your counter arguements have contained zero points, just a bunch of name-calling. 
>>48153619
He doesn't actually believe it's an sin. He just has zero counter agreements and thinks if he screams 'its not true' long enough it will mean he's correct.
This image is what triggered him",,Anonymous,2.png,LRZQYD/C/hv5MxYcpH4Tlg==,US,,1437122763
48145861,48154200,2015-07-17 08:52:35,">>48151785
I don't think there's a specific age, but let them figure out that Santa isn't real, encourage them to ask questions until they figure out its just you. 
Then tell them about all the religions, and advise them to apply the same critical thinking to each religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437123155
48145861,48154231,2015-07-17 08:53:28,">>48147939
Fundamentalists and atheists are two different sides of the same coin, not seeing the beauty of religious practice. One sits in the cinema and screams ""The blood is fake, people! Wake up!"", while the other screams back ""No, it's real!"". And the rest can't enjoy the movie because of these idiots. 
Religion is in our blood, there needs something sacral in our life outside of the profane. Taking it too literally is just counterproductive. There are things we do, because they work and they worked for thousands of years. Being religious is rational from a probabalistic viewpoint.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437123208
48145861,48154399,2015-07-17 08:59:13,">>48154231
>One sits in the cinema and screams
The atheist is the guy at home, peacefully napping because he didn't care enough to go see it.
>There are things we do, because they work and they worked for thousands of years",,Anonymous,appeal to tradition.jpg,suW4jXAhQnH3C/ZjixTCRg==,US,,1437123553
48145861,48154402,2015-07-17 08:59:17,">>48153362
A very long time ago, I used to tip fedora like a madman in chatrooms. I had airtight canned responses to the majority of theistic argumentation, back when people would commonly copypaste arguments from Kent Hovind's website like they were legit shit and Richard Dawkins was primarily a biologist who was only talked about in small circles.
I feel somewhat responsible for leading edgy teenagers to think it's ""cool"" and ""smart"" to be an atheist, when all I was doing was being an outspoken skeptic in a world of idiots who still produced Pascal's Wager like it was irrefutable evidence that deities exist. It was more about elevating the consciousness of theists to question their beliefs and move to a higher level of rationalization of them than ""do you really believe that when you die, that's it?""
I helped to manifest a generation of these little shits who ""hate God"" because ""church is totally lame"", ""Jesus is a faggot nigger"", and ""Christians are sheeple"". I hate these fucking edgelords just as much as Christians do.
The point is, not all atheists are on the same team.
Similarly, not all Jews are on the same team.
And obviously, not all white people are on the same team.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437123557
48145861,48154527,2015-07-17 09:03:42,">>48154231
>Being religious is rational from a probabalistic viewpoint.
No. It's a comforting falsehood to protect your children from a horrifying truth.
Obviously, no one wants their son to grow up to like cocks shoved into every hole in his body.
No one wants a 16 year old mother to feel no accountability as she drowns her newborn children in the toilet.
People are fucking dumbfucks, and they'll use anything they can find as an excuse to be terrible people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437123822
48145861,48154576,2015-07-17 09:05:26,">>48154231
Religion as it is currently practiced is incredibly boring. Even most Christians will admit that sermons and song singing is a snooze-fest but they do so out of some sort of sense of duty.
Spirtuality, strictly speaking is pretty neat. But not any modern religion's take on it, most of it is utterly pathetic. Compare Christianity's wussy myths to the heroic legends of the Greeks. The Greeks have all the highest humans making war, love, and going on adventure. The Christians have jews praying for bread in a desert.
Religion is not needed to connect with higher ideals. Ancestor reverence, nature reverence, and a sense of connection with the community all of that can be done without religion. This is essentially what Nietzche was pushing with Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The prologue chapter alone is far more emotional and inspiring than all the Bible put together.
Hell I've seen anime that moved me more than the Jesus myth (and I'm talking about back when I literally believed in Jesus). 
High emotions, even spiritual ones, are evoked by art. Like one of Wagner's works.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437123926
48145861,48154633,2015-07-17 09:07:19,">>48154576
>Christianity's fussy myths
Bombing a city of fags isn't fussy, fag.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437124039
48145861,48154775,2015-07-17 09:11:41,">>48146502
>it was solely Fedora-Chan that made me come in
I hate you people worse than Christians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437124301
48145861,48154893,2015-07-17 09:16:04,">>48154775
Sorry that I don't find my hobby of not collecting stamps worth talking about in most cases.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437124564
48145861,48154919,2015-07-17 09:16:54,">>48154402
You didn't cause that. It was the natural response.
Here is the hard truth. Christianity is bat-shit insane. Saying that they worship a zombie is not a hyperbole, it's actually a fairly descriptive term. The book is filled with magic events and every denomination takes at least some of them literally. The beleivers practice a huge amount of double-think they KNOW their religion was cobbled togaether by mortals at the counsel of Nicca, that it's historicall innaccurate that there are contradictions in their own bible, but they still believe it is unflawed and written by God.
Christians literally encourage schizophrenia (if you here voices they are from God!)
It's absolute maddness!
Now imagine that you wondered into a society where everyone believes that Superman is literally a real story. They know it was manufactured by DC, they know aliens never invaded new york, that it's not historically accurate. But they still believe it's true!
You as a non-beleiver would feel so intellectualy superior. You would look down on them as idiots, you'd laugh at them, call them names, and think you must be some sort of super genius because you are the only one to figure this shit out.
That's basically how atheists end up feeling. Most of them are polite and don't rub it in Christians faces that they the Christians are fucking retarded. Some even rationalize it coming up with reasons why people can be so silly and not be mentally retarded. Maybe some of those rationalizations are true, maybe some arn't. Maybe you try to think about the smart Christians who treat everything as a parable (and ignore that the people that literally believe in Noah's arc is actually something like 30%-60%). Maybe they sympathize with them because they were tricked by religion too.
But if you do none of these you do thinking you are smarter than these idiots that believe in magic spells.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437124614
48145861,48155001,2015-07-17 09:19:45,">>48154399
It's not an appeal to tradition but to probability. I rather trust something that worked for thousands of years, than some failed pseudoreligions like socialism with the proletarian messiah that leads us to the promised land of communism. Also, it's good to be skeptical, but to waste your energy on religion is just wasting time, because it's an easy target. There are more beliefs people accept without questioning them, because modern enlightened prophets tell them.
>>48154576
I think the problem with boredom has to do with protestant aesthetics and practice, which consists of sitting in a toolshed listening to boring speeches and sing happy songs for children. Christian Orthodoxy is more beautiful and demanding, also serious and not that wishy washy.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437124785
48145861,48155088,2015-07-17 09:22:26,">>48154633
There are very few cool parts of the bible. Most of them are very brief. The majority of the Sodom and Gomorah story is just God whining like a woman about how much he hates what is going on. (also right after the city is bombed we go to a porno where a drunk jewish man in his 90s fucks daughters. The bible has some of the most disgusting sex scenes of any mythology)
Compare that to someone like Zeus. Zeus didn't cry like a woman, if he didn't like something you were fucking dead. Even the mortals in Greek mythology have more balls than Yawhei.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437124946
48145861,48155133,2015-07-17 09:23:36,">>48155088
The daughters got their father drunk, nigger.
Do you get your quotes from r/atheism?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437125016
48145861,48155213,2015-07-17 09:25:55,">>48155001
>than some failed pseudoreligions like socialism
Or you could not trust either. We've went from appeal to tradition to false dichotomy. Not collecting stamps doesn't mean you have to collect bottlecaps.
>to waste your energy on religion
Exactly. Not feeling required to repent for something your ancestors did in Christianity is to me no different than not feeling required to repent for something your ancestors did in leftism, and I don't find the differences to be that significant in an absolute sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437125155
48145861,48155242,2015-07-17 09:26:37,">>48155088
>>48155133
He is drunk and he fucks his daughters. Though yes, he was the victim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437125197
48145861,48155277,2015-07-17 09:27:38,">>48155133
I didn't bother mentioning how the old fart got drunk. It's not importaint. It's terribly written trash. Daughters think that the entire world is destroyed (after Yawhei told them 50 times he was only destroying the cities and nothing else) and figure they need to fuck their father to repopulate the planet.
Unfunny, Jewish comedy, mixed with bizarre fetish porn.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437125258
48145861,48155319,2015-07-17 09:28:50,">>48155277
Any sources to justify this interpretation?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437125330
48145861,48155433,2015-07-17 09:32:10,">>48154893
Then fuck off to /a/ if you want to circlejerk about anime girls.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437125530
48145861,48155474,2015-07-17 09:33:40,">>48155319
Hey you're right! Back when I was Christian that was the explanation I was told. Although now that I look up the text it doesn't say why they fucked.
Looking at it now it describes how their cursed incest baby is the ""father of the Moabites unto this day"" (genesis 19:37
So it's a story to demonize some of the Jews neighbors ""You dirty moabites you are just incest rape babies!""
The old testament is filled with this stuff where they have really disgusting and humiliating origin for their enemy neighbors.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437125620
48145861,48155503,2015-07-17 09:34:15,">>48155433
No need to be salty over a joke picture, anon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437125655
48145861,48155570,2015-07-17 09:35:51,">>48155474
Well, that does make sense.
Well, it's Jewish nature. That doesn't mean Jesus didn't defy it and was a better person than the average kike.
Christians focus on Jesus. not on le Jewdges and other characters in the Old Testament",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437125751
48145861,48155870,2015-07-17 09:43:41,">>48155570
Christians like to avoid the old testament because it's the easiest part of their bible to rip apart and is frankly philosophically the opposite of Jesus. We go from an eye to an eye to turn the other cheek. From secular racial superiority to Bob Marly.
From a literalistic perspective Jewish is heavily tied to the old testament by a ton of prophecies he is supposed to fulfill.
Jesus is a pretty shitty character though. 
Let me ask you something, if Jesus is a successful person, one that is admirable what did he do that other people should imitate?
The first 30 years of his life were so boring and worthless not a thing was written about them. He walked around in a slum, standing on soap boxes and preaching. Than at the first sign of trouble with the authorities he surrenders, gives no struggle and the story ends. His friends write that Jesus will deliver payback eventually but that seems unlikely. What about his life would be worth imitating? What examples does he set?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437126221
48145861,48156027,2015-07-17 09:48:35,">>48155870
Well, if he suddenly fought the shit out of the authorities he wouldn't have followed his ""turn the other cheek"" philosophy.
Two undeniable things about Jesus is that he dindu nuffin and that he wasn't a hypocrite",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437126515
48145861,48156273,2015-07-17 09:56:03,">>48156027
No he wasn't a hypocrite. Him dying on the cross wasn't to 'redeem sins' but to show his followers he truly believed in not fighting back even if it cost him his life (Nietzsche's theory)
But ultimately that's what makes him a shallow and weak man. Collapses at the first sign of trouble. If we all acted Jesus this society would perish overnight. We would never defend ourself and would be looted, sacced, raped, and pillaged until our society was as bloodied, beaten mes like Christ.
The dindu nuffin part is false though. He tried to destroy his own culture, the Jewish culture. He mocked their God by saying that he, the child of an adulterous woman was his avatar. He tried to destroy their very identity by saying that their religion was for everyone equally. The spiritual equivalent of having an open boarder policy. He died for no one's sin but his own.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437126963
48145861,48156288,2015-07-17 09:56:28,">>48155213
Repent for what? Religion was and is in essence a code of practices with a sense of community, not exactly an ideology, but more part of your culture and your roots. You don't have to be part in any of that, especially in an atomized cultural relativistic society, where rituals for community bonding are not needed.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437126988
48145861,48156385,2015-07-17 09:59:28,">>48156273
Acksheully, in Orthodox Christianity there is no Original sin.
When Adam and Eve fucked up God made them be able to die. That's it. All men are mortal because of Adam and Eve.
When Jesus died on the cross, there was no afterlife other than some sort of limbo. Afterwards, it was unlocked for the virtuous to enter in.
Makes more sense tbh.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437127168
48145861,48156401,2015-07-17 09:59:53,">>48156385
Before Jesus died on the cross*",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437127193
48145861,48156521,2015-07-17 10:03:33,"Are there any movies that deal with the concept of atheism? I remember watching a cartoon called Flight of Dragons which could be relevant.
A scientist is called to a dimension of magic and fantasy. He goes on a quest with dragons, a knight, hobbits, etc to kill an evil wizard. He defeats the wizard by 'denying all magic' and we get a cute fable which explains how humanity distanced itself from the world of superstition forever. The scientist than goes on to write a fantasy novel as a way of preserving a bit of the magical world.",,Anonymous,Flight_of_Dragons_book.jpg,wOBu7ERws4ZvgDjLKdJZCA==,US,,1437127413
48145861,48156550,2015-07-17 10:04:36,">>48145861
Ah, I remember the days when I had the energy to actually debate people on the Internet about religion, and didn't yet realize most people's brains are solidus at 30, and set in stone at 40, yet the hold is too strong before 19 to hear opposing opinions for most people.",,Anonymous,Ruse-Cohle----hes-here-to-011.jpg,4F6Eoob63XaWwHrfnCOEsw==,US,,1437127476
48145861,48156644,2015-07-17 10:07:10,">>48146198
>Friedrick
>Friedrick
>Friedrick",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437127630
48145861,48156728,2015-07-17 10:09:28,">>48156644
Why don't you take your weird German spelling and go shove one of those frankfurters up your ass.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437127768
48145861,48156743,2015-07-17 10:09:52,">>48156288
>Religion was and is in essence a code of practices with a sense of community, not exactly an ideology
Perhaps it comes from being on a separate continent, but acting like you believe in things that you don't is more the province of RPGs to me than religion. When I got married, or when I grieve, I do it my way and see no reason to bring in religion, nor do I get any feeling of connectedness to roots and what not.
May be a cultural thing or just someone else's point of view, but I definitely feel no sense of heritage from a religion that everywhere but on /pol/ has stressed inclusiveness and a lack of importance of blood, just in faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437127792
48145861,48156810,2015-07-17 10:11:45,">>48146141
It is probably due to Reddit refugees.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437127905
48145861,48156914,2015-07-17 10:14:46,">>48156743
Wasn't C.S. Lewis reasonably long in the tooth when he converted?
Not that these threads are explicitly for converting people. Implicitly, maybe, though I don't care to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437128086
48145861,48156929,2015-07-17 10:15:17,">>48156914
This was meant for >>48156550",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437128117
48145861,48157063,2015-07-17 10:18:55,">>48145861
kek just a over painted christ-chan
>pic related
And people still try to refute pics like these.
>art without spirituality/religion
absolutelydisgusting.jpeg",,Anonymous,art-then-art-now.jpg,pv4LsaOaEeIVubE7e8AvPw==,SE,,1437128335
48145861,48157237,2015-07-17 10:24:29,">>48157063
This is art without religion.
Religious people can make shitty art. So can non religious people.",,Anonymous,1429186279915.jpg,jJ4IMdU9RNycNZCf+WACeA==,US,,1437128669
48145861,48157528,2015-07-17 10:34:09,">>48157237
Yes it is. I rest my case.
Yes both can make shitty art. But non-religious people can't make good art. This is the difference.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437129249
48145861,48157590,2015-07-17 10:35:54,">>48155870
Martyrdom and self sacrifice are inspirational and can usher in great change. It's the example of sacrificing the self for the whole. 
Who was that famous Buddhist who burned himself alive and didn't budge?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437129354
48145861,48157624,2015-07-17 10:36:59,">>48156929
I could also cite Matt Dillahunty as the opposite of C.S. Lewis's case. I'm pretty sure both fell within my criteria, but even they didn't by a year or two, I'm not convinced it'd be worth my time and energy for such a low return rate of exceptions to the rule.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437129419
48145861,48157689,2015-07-17 10:38:50,">>48157528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rzDXNQxjHs
Is this shitty music? It's composed by Richard Strauss, an atheist and it's inspired by Nietzsche's writing.
I dare you to say it's doesn't rival the best music by an Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437129530
48145861,48157692,2015-07-17 10:38:52,">>48157624
I hope nobody mistakenly implied converting people was worth time and energy in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437129532
48145861,48157772,2015-07-17 10:41:07,">>48150958
>For every political ideology you can come up with, I guarantee I can find a Jew promoting it.
Thus shines true genius.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437129667
48145861,48158836,2015-07-17 11:13:10,>>48157692,,Anonymous,yougotme.jpg,7ogcvr+Z29kRknmg37oUNw==,US,,1437131590
48145861,48159306,2015-07-17 11:28:06,">>48157689
Have you got any visual art?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437132486
48145861,48160313,2015-07-17 11:55:32,">>48159306
To be honest I don't really follow old 2d art and it's hard to figure out what these artsts religion are. Boris Vallejo and Frank Frazetta are amazing artists but there is zero word about what their religion is.
I could probably name a trillion movies, anime, comic books, or video games (all visual art) for you. 
I'm going to assume you think all these are degenerate jewish conspiracy art and that the only 'real art' is static non moving images or music. If that's the case I can see why you would think art is declining because you have rejected the more advanced art. ""Sandman isn't art, Berserk isn't art, Metroid Prime isn't art, Akira isn't art"" etc etc 
If you wanted to see traditional art: sculptures, oil paintings etc. You could look at American revolutionary art. Washington and the other founding fathers religious belief varied between atheism and deism. So I guess all the nice paintings of them would apply as atheist or deist art.
Like I said there isn't a lot of info on this.",,Anonymous,george-washington-as-zeus.jpg,2P7L8nE6YUYcgDhipO7kBw==,US,,1437134132
48145861,48161026,2015-07-17 12:14:32,">>48157063
This art style was developed in the 1920's..... read a little more please.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437135272
48183231,48183231,2015-07-17 21:13:07,"Feel free to discuss atheism, agnosticism, and secular living/politics. 
Artists are encouraged to make more Fedora-chan drawings, as we currently don't have many.
Thread Question: What was the most convincing argument in your life that first made you seriously doubt your faith?",Atheism General,Anonymous,transform.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1437167587
48183231,48183288,2015-07-17 21:14:29,"Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437167669
48183231,48183319,2015-07-17 21:15:12,"Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437167712
48183231,48183341,2015-07-17 21:15:41,"Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,1433805731892.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1437167741
48183231,48183407,2015-07-17 21:16:58,"Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,1433205860492.png,IDsMFCL8uRoG8INhBYc9OA==,US,,1437167818
48183231,48183624,2015-07-17 21:22:38,">>48183231
>What was the most convincing argument in your life that first made you seriously doubt your faith?
Stephen Roberts said it best : 
""I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437168158
48183231,48183753,2015-07-17 21:25:57,Why no God Delusion in the reading list? Isn't that like the most famous book on the subject?,,Anonymous,paradox_design_02_preview_featured.jpg,vZ6m891aY27f4AaNKtxlwA==,US,,1437168357
48183231,48183842,2015-07-17 21:28:15,">>48183753
I figure most people already know about this book. Another good well-known book is Letter to a Christian Nation.
Anti-Christ and Thus Spoke Zarathustra are also great books, as everyone already knows.",,Anonymous,1537a28523d1cf3a356ea83245ef56d8_xlarge.jpg,dQocMjVwpSVq2bqYxndAFA==,US,,1437168495
48183231,48184544,2015-07-17 21:46:30,"Being an atheist and looking up to the stars and saying ""there is no god!"" is like being a flea looking up to th hairs and saying ""there is no dog!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437169590
48183231,48184598,2015-07-17 21:48:05,">>48184544
What is that even supposed to mean?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437169685
48183231,48184645,2015-07-17 21:49:07,">>48184544
So you're saying you're a pantheist?",,Anonymous,0227Dawkins.jpg,7lEeriGbcjrsdbF1BjX3Dg==,US,,1437169747
48183231,48184886,2015-07-17 21:55:13,">>48183231
Is there a name for people who, logically speaking, are atheists, but morally and culturally speaking are more Christian? I feel as if there's a growing sub-culture within Atheism that really tarnishes the reputation of good, honest atheists (And even agnostic atheists such as myself), and that this trend is causing a growing demand for the distinction.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437170113
48183231,48184921,2015-07-17 21:56:11,">>48184886
Of course there is a term for that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437170171
48183231,48184977,2015-07-17 21:57:32,">>48184921
Thank you, this so far seems to describe me quite well.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437170252
48183231,48185012,2015-07-17 21:58:25,">>48184886
>trend is causing a growing demand for the distinction.
I just tell people I'm not religious. They usually already know I share all the same culture and morals as them by then anyway",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437170305
48183231,48185131,2015-07-17 22:01:15,">>48184977
No problem. Neitchze writes about the positive sides of being an atheist as well, it's not all doom and gloom. In a way, we are our own gods. You might be interested in reading some of his works and ideas",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437170475
48183231,48185232,2015-07-17 22:03:57,">>48185131
How could you possibly be a happy atheist? There have been multiple studies done disproving this",,Anonymous,1338102658988.jpg,CH8wgRlGSsAjBtVPF+pW6Q==,US,,1437170637
48183231,48185306,2015-07-17 22:05:54,">>48185232
Woah. You sure showed him.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437170754
48183231,48185355,2015-07-17 22:07:18,">>48185306
Great rebuttal. *tip*",,Anonymous,ZG0Kvct21.png,8YGyELZqptDPz14mT1tCRA==,US,,1437170838
48183231,48185429,2015-07-17 22:09:18,">>48185232
I've personally been the happiest and most satisfied with my life as an atheist. I have seen psychology studies that show atheists are generally less happy than Christians, but that is to be expected. After all, atheists are hated more than gay muslims.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437170958
48183231,48185535,2015-07-17 22:12:14,">>48185429
This is what I found as well. Being religious is a shit time because you are constantly thinking about going to hell, and then you realize you're being cucked by a social control mechanism.",,Anonymous,religion.jpg,wxnGFcjzC71V3hpg9cyBfA==,US,,1437171134
48183231,48185635,2015-07-17 22:14:42,">claims to only believe in logic and reason 
>ignores proofs of god 
>ignores miracles 
>ignores the fact that most scientists are religious 
You can't be an atheist if you're older than 20, unless you're mentally handicapped",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437171282
48183231,48185687,2015-07-17 22:16:15,">>48183231
>eternal judgement based on the events and actions of an extremely brief and limited time on earth.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437171375
48183231,48185767,2015-07-17 22:18:23,">>48185687
God's love for you is infinite. It doesn't matter how small you are in the grand scheme of things",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437171503
48183231,48185879,2015-07-17 22:21:18,">>48183231
>What was the most convincing argument in your life that first made you seriously doubt your faith?
It wasn't really any one thing. My parents are Christian, but non-observant. Whenever I had a question or something bad happened, I looked for answers in the people and the world around me instead of looking above.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437171678
48183231,48185882,2015-07-17 22:21:22,">>48185635
>ignores lack of evidence for god
>ignores lack of evidence for miracles
>ignores the fact that most people are religious
Trends are changing, and ignorance will not survive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437171682
48183231,48185946,2015-07-17 22:23:09,">>48185882
Asking for evidence of god is like asking for evidence that Van Gough made good art. It's just one of those objective truths. God is love and beauty and perfection",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437171789
48183231,48186041,2015-07-17 22:26:11,What's the difference between schizos and theists again?,,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437171971
48183231,48186081,2015-07-17 22:27:27,">>48184886
>>48184921
How does this work.
Bankrupt morals are pretty much the entire reason Nietzche The anti-christ.
The old testament is basically irrelevant to anyone who is not Jewish. It has the basic idea that anyone who is not a jew is dogshit: every other race is given a humilating origin story, God basically says the jews can rape, murder, and pillage from them at will). Within the Jewish community the only ethics it teaches is blind devotion to God and his clergy. Every story either ends with obey god=be rewared disobey god=be punished. There's literally a story where a man is rewarded for agreeing to kill his son for God.
The New Testament Jesus character is an insane SJW that literally talks about eye rape in the Sermon on the Mount. He tries to destroy his own race's culture by doing the spiritual equivalent of an open boarder policy ""The religion and God's blessing is for everyone"". At the first sign of trouble he surrenders. 
The writers of the New testament themself lack any sort of empathy. The whole thing is a big revenge fantasy for their cult leader being killed. They put words into Jesus's mouth like 
""it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."" in regards to those who are none-beleivers.
The moral code in the New Testament is greatly an us vs them and demonizes the wealthy, the powerful, basically the maintainers of civilization in Jesus's time.
The whole concept of 'Jesus's return' which is discussed a million times is a giant revenge fantasy talking about how everyone that hurt Jesus or made fun of Christians will suffer.
It's debatable that there is a single line in the bible that contains any wisdom what so ever. The only person with genuine sense of justice is Pilate who tries to maintain order and ends up giving both the Jews and Jesus exactly what they want. Yet he's somehow cast as a villain.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437172047
48183231,48186103,2015-07-17 22:28:10,">>48186041
APA doesn't classify it as a delusion... yet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437172090
48183231,48186361,2015-07-17 22:36:16,">>48183231
This is how I turned away from the religion as a kid.
Statement A: Religion is based on faith. You cannot prove imperically that the Christian God is true
Statement B: There are hundreds of other religions that are all equally unprovable
Therefor there is no possible way to know which is the correct religion. It's guess-work. Any God that gives out rewards/punishments based on choosing the religion is cruel.
Now that I am an adult I realized an even better is....There for if all religions are unprovable I could create a new religion RIGHT NOW that is equally unprovable and thus equally valid. I could write a program that generates 10 religions a minute via an algorithm and the whole process of trying to see if any of them 'are right' becomes absurd.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437172576
48183231,48186493,2015-07-17 22:39:37,">>48186361
You are the proof that they don't properly teach Thomism to 16 year-olds. Look up Prof. Edward Feser's books.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437172777
48183231,48186516,2015-07-17 22:40:13,">>48186081
One of the things the wiki article mentions is 
>The insistence upon coming to grips with contemporary culture as a necessary feature of responsible theological work
Which basically means that anyone claiming to be a Christian atheist is just adopting all the good ideas from modern Christianity. I doubt they would even need to read the Bible, since most people grow up in a deeply Christian culture",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437172813
48183231,48186549,2015-07-17 22:41:07,">>48186493
Why is your trip code disabled, Wolf?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437172867
48183231,48186659,2015-07-17 22:44:22,">>48186493
Replace ""religion"" in >>48186361 with ""metaphysical premises that prove some sort of god's existence"" and you will get the same result. In the end, only science works. Hence why physicists help design planes and not thomists.",,Anonymous,quin2.jpg,JQ/q3wl/psl0eRBs+7xBGw==,US,,1437173062
48183231,48186662,2015-07-17 22:44:27,"Thread is a mixed bag imo. You cite great stuff by Oppy, Mackie, Armstrong and Erhman but also garbage from Dawkins, Hitchens, Krauss, and Fitzgerald.",,Anonymous,armor.jpg,I9kW3pVf3G1fUHdyrtYk2Q==,CA,,1437173067
48183231,48186731,2015-07-17 22:46:30,">>48186662
Feel free to make suggestions about the recommended viewing. What to remove/add. I don't even like it that much myself, but I wanted there to be some YouTube videos people could jump into right away without having to order a book.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173190
48183231,48186823,2015-07-17 22:49:29,>>48186659,,Anonymous,jesuslovesyouanyway.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,US,,1437173369
48183231,48186835,2015-07-17 22:49:42,">>48186516
Well all fucking Christian culture if it does not use the bible as it's source uses some other source that is inspired by the bible.
If the original source material is shit than any spin off's quality will be based on how little it borrows from the bible.
What ""Christian culture"" are you talking about? I thought Narnia was pretty cool.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173382
48183231,48186840,2015-07-17 22:49:49,">>48186731
I like thunderf00t's videos on creationism. He makes a lot of great arguments that definitely apply outside of the creationist debates",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173389
48183231,48186865,2015-07-17 22:50:46,">>48186659
If you'd actually read Feser or other Thomists and not crap on the internet you'd might have a better understanding of the 5 ways. You might still disagree, many smart people do, but at least you would have seriously encountered the subject rather than give snarky, retarded one-liners. More internet atheists got C's in intro to philo if they took it at all",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173446
48183231,48186894,2015-07-17 22:51:24,">>48186823
I'm still waiting for a better response than 
>my metaphysical premises are better than your actual physics
>I'm gonna make more baseless assertions about the nature of god to explain away your argument
>I didn't understand what the atheist wrote so I'm gonna argue against a strawman
>concludes that an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world while remaining immaterial",,Anonymous,hitler_christ.jpg,QQF9kJCWMjyKa0hF04WGUQ==,US,,1437173484
48183231,48186904,2015-07-17 22:51:42,">>48186823
Poor Atheists. They can never win.",,Anonymous,1433455982664.png,n8UoWbG8g1+XLbOUZlni5w==,SE,,1437173502
48183231,48186962,2015-07-17 22:53:11,">>48186865
>all this fucking ad hominem
I know the fucking argument they are making. And it is just as ridiculous and bad as the more well-known cosmological arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173591
48183231,48186979,2015-07-17 22:53:40,">>48186894
>no in-depth critique
>they just don't understand me!
>they aren't going into enough detail!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173620
48183231,48187022,2015-07-17 22:54:30,">>48186823
If your goal with Aquinas is to prove that your paricular Christian God 'is real' you have already lost. Even if you were to prove that everything in the chart is empirical true it wouldn't have a thing to do with your God.
It could just as easily justify Vishnu, Odin, Madoka, Super Powered Aliens or the program I wrote that randomly generates ideas for creator Gods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173670
48183231,48187064,2015-07-17 22:56:04,Atheists are cancer.,,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437173764
48183231,48187070,2015-07-17 22:56:13,">>48186894
Also known as
>I won't even try to dispute it",,Anonymous,a88.jpg,PqSnWD+Vzm0RfIhMqLnDbA==,SE,,1437173773
48183231,48187097,2015-07-17 22:57:04,">>48183231
>be atheist.
>make thread full of books for m'kindred.
>Bunch of religifags show up.
>its2015.jpg
>Weep beholding such inferior ignorance
>Cry too hard.
>Fedora falls off.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173824
48183231,48187133,2015-07-17 22:58:13,">>48187070
It's not worth an in-depth response, as I have already pointed out. There are a lot of words but not much meat to what is being said.
In contrast, the original image is very good. Very concise, and thought provoking. That's why I made a critique of it and not the /lit/-fag's response to my critique.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173893
48183231,48187177,2015-07-17 22:59:07,">>48186894
God isn't like a person. He isn't Zeus. So your material/immaterial argument doesn't make sense. Classical theism and atheists are calling two totally different things ""God"". Properly understood, classical theism is closer to atheism than the belief in anthropomorphic/personalistic gods is to classical theism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437173947
48183231,48187206,2015-07-17 22:59:53,">>48187097
The Atheist becomes quite flustered when his circlejerk is somewhat disturbed.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437173993
48183231,48187227,2015-07-17 23:00:31,">>48187022
>If your goal with Aquinas is to prove that your paricular Christian God 'is real' you have already lost.
It isn't, it's the first part of multiple segments of trying to grasp the notion of a creator and its attributes to better understand the universe itself in a fundamental way. That Aquinas eventually gets to rationally assert that ""God is love"" which is unique to the Christian concept of God, has no bearing on this argument.
>It could just as easily justify Vishnu, Odin, Madoka, Super Powered Aliens or the program I wrote that randomly generates ideas for creator Gods.
Well as it labels specific attributes and literally none of those concepts you mentioned have those attributes, I'd have to disagree.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174031
48183231,48187246,2015-07-17 23:00:57,fedora tipping is not politics,,Anonymous,,,PT,,1437174057
48183231,48187259,2015-07-17 23:01:19,">>48187177
Thomas is arguing that ""god"" somehow interacts with the physical universe to ""keep it in motion"".
In addition to this, most people that use Thomas's arguments are Christian. So it becomes relevant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174079
48183231,48187263,2015-07-17 23:01:28,">>48184544
You're saying that the Earth is a living and conscious entity?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437174088
48183231,48187274,2015-07-17 23:01:43,">>48187097
>>48187206
The ironing is way too much when theists speak of ignorance.",,Anonymous,1386260927429.jpg,zqPhm2kfL3Crs0XHKdpzUg==,PR,,1437174103
48183231,48187281,2015-07-17 23:01:52,">>48187022
Thomas explains why the Christian God in particular is real later on. The 5 causes are only for theism in general. Classical misreading.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174112
48183231,48187304,2015-07-17 23:02:18,">>48187133
Basically this. 
Real physics has predictive power. It has real world applications.
Meta-physics are worthless and their only use is to try to justify your own particular religion.
You could go back to the argument about the computer program that generates random meta-physics. Would there be any real difference between the randomly generated metaphysics and the current one? Would one have more or less predictive power than another, have more or less applications?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174138
48183231,48187332,2015-07-17 23:02:50,">>48186979
Ok, how about there is no empirical reason to accept the metaphysics underpinning Aquinas's argument.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174170
48183231,48187359,2015-07-17 23:03:39,">>48187227
I just invented a new god called ""Teapotia"". He only lets atheists into heaven, because of his infinite love and wisdom. He has all the same attributes as the ""unmoved mover"".
Now what?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174219
48183231,48187493,2015-07-17 23:07:00,"How can anyone believe in God, /pol/?
God doesn't protect all children and innocent, God doesn't make himself clear to the whole planet. It is like he doesn't exist!
Heaven and doom: how exactly is this place called heaven? Do you agree that showing anyone a first glance of Hell would be enough to fix them? How do people lie to their best friends and family about a imaginary friend? How many young men lost their days with this? Literally all of my friends were trolled by this. There is something like hundreds of thousands of people who avoid medical care because of Faith, receiving prayers actually correlates with bad health and death!
God should be proven once and for all: Where can you find this proof of God? If not, How can people talk about something they don't know? How do people forget their wishful thinking is failing?
Pic related, Pythagoreans celebrating the sunrise: religion even towards Reason! Shows the difference between Pythagoras and his followers. Religion is the Plebeian expression.",,Anonymous,640px-Bronnikov_gimnpifagoreizev.jpg,16oHnzGSCfmW+N5x80rm5g==,BR,,1437174420
48183231,48187518,2015-07-17 23:07:50,">>48187332
There is no empirical reason that the only basis for knowledge can be empiricism. Without a priori reasoning of some sort knowledge is impossible",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174470
48183231,48187543,2015-07-17 23:08:23,">>48187227
.>>48187281
If you were to tell me what these specific attributes are I could rewrite my program to make sure all randomly generated Gods have these attributes. In a few hours I could have literally thousands of Gods that Aquinas would give a thumbs up to. Or if I wanted something spicy I could write it so that all the Gods have none these traits but the power to be 'immune to Thomas Aquina's logic'. Being unaffected by logic would fall into the category of being all powerful. You could very well have a God that is both infinity weak and infinity strong that both exists. Or you could make a program that writes about shape shifting gods that one minute can have all of the things Thomas Aquinas likes and the next minute have none of them.
We could create a whole pantheon overnight!
Also have you seen Madoka? Pretty sure she does everything the Christian God does but has even more powers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174503
48183231,48187594,2015-07-17 23:09:44,">>48187518
Philosophically, you're right. We should all be solipsists.
But in reality, science is the only thing that works. Sorry. I know the universe isn't philosophically pleasing. It is complex, unintuitive, and even non-sensical at times. But that is just the reality we are living in.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174584
48183231,48187637,2015-07-17 23:10:58,">>48187263
That would be some cool shit tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174658
48183231,48187666,2015-07-17 23:12:04,">>48186823
based",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174724
48183231,48187701,2015-07-17 23:13:13,">>48187274
Yeah don't want those pants to have too many creases.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174793
48183231,48187712,2015-07-17 23:13:25,">>48187543
Homura is best girl but lets not bring them into this discussion, they've been through enough",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174805
48183231,48187749,2015-07-17 23:14:29,">>48187332
Things like ""objects depend on their environment"" which is said in different words in Aquinas' argument are empirical, though. Aquinas works off of empirical premises that have not been rejected in any meaningful way.
>>48187359
Teapotia is synonymous with the Christian god except that it accepts only those who reject its will and rejects all only those who accept its will. This is clearly logically inconsistent as it wills things to exist only to reject its will, ultimately. To assert there is some depth to Teapotia's logic here, no matter how justified would be to assume parts to Teapotia, which would reject the simplicity that is a supposed attribute of Teapotia and it's in Aquinas' argument.
Teapotia is logically inconsistent and does not exist.
>>48187712
This is also truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174869
48183231,48187796,2015-07-17 23:15:59,">>48187749
>This is clearly logically inconsistent as it wills things to exist only to reject its will, ultimately.
Ah, good. At least we agree the Christian god definitely doesn't exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437174959
48183231,48187846,2015-07-17 23:17:19,">>48187796
explain",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437175039
48183231,48187856,2015-07-17 23:17:36,">>48187749
>empirical premises that have not been rejected in any meaningful way.
They also haven't been established in any meaningful way. Go ahead, try describing what ""actual"", ""potential"", and ""moving"" mean in light of modern physics without the entire argument falling apart.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437175056
48183231,48187991,2015-07-17 23:23:01,">>48187846
I think he means free will, and how the Christian God creates humans in a certain way only to reject them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437175381
48183231,48188083,2015-07-17 23:25:36,">>48187518
 >Without a priori reasoning of some sort knowledge is impossible
your right, but perhaps we should then ask ourselves which assumptions are most useful, and most jibe with what we can observe.
I have no reason to assume the difference between actual and potential is as Aquinas describes it. even if I accept that, there is no reason to assume the mover of this universe is fully realized in whatever plane it exists. 
So as it is the argument does nothing more than serve as a justification for why Christianity might be true if all these assumptions are",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437175536
48183231,48188104,2015-07-17 23:26:11,">>48187991
B-but anon God doesn't reject people, it's the other way around.
God is love.",,Anonymous,1433443788027.png,vMPOXjTgkiwQNQ7s0CwRXA==,SE,,1437175571
48183231,48188188,2015-07-17 23:28:51,">>48187749
Teatopia is a troll and thus his entire dogma is based on troll logic. He does it for the lulz
alternatively
Teapotia both exists and doesn't exist. It's so powerful that it transcendents logic like one of those Eldtrich Gods or a convoluted super being from an anime.
Alternatively
Teatopia has a split person (sort of like the trinity) one is good and the other is evil and his strange doctrine is the result of them wrestling for control
Alternativily
Teatopia is morally right. Your own moral system is just fucked up and you think good is evil, evil is good, etc. What he does is an act of infinite love but your too unholy to realize it. Piety is the ultimate corruption.
I could come up with bullshit meta physics all day",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437175731
48183231,48188202,2015-07-17 23:29:07,">>48188104
God made the rules, the map, and the players. If something happens, ultimately only he can be held responsible for it (by extension of Unmoved Mover argument)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437175747
48183231,48188289,2015-07-17 23:31:53,">>48188202
I suppose what you're saying is that his responsibility is that he gave humans free will. 
Which if I understand you correctly, it is something you abhor.
Don't hate the game, hate the player.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437175913
48183231,48188350,2015-07-17 23:33:30,">>48188289
>Which if I understand you correctly, it is something you abhor
I personally don't believe in free will. I am just following the logical conclusions of Thomas",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176010
48183231,48188395,2015-07-17 23:34:46,">>48187856
Lets have a famous modern physicist do it then.
Like many scientists of his generation (and unlike contemporary scientists like Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coyne), Heisenberg knew something about philosophy and its history, and took its problems seriously. In particular, he recognized that empirical science requires for its intelligibility a sound philosophy of nature (or metaphysics, as we might say today, though the other term is preferable – the philosophy of nature concerns the preconditions of there being an intelligible natural world, while the concerns of metaphysics are more general than that). Moreover, he saw that a return to certain classical philosophical notions was essential to making sense of modern physics.
Of course, it can hardly be maintained that Heisenberg subscribed in any wholesale way to a classical metaphysical picture of the world; he proposes, for example, that quantum theory calls for a revision of the law of the excluded middle. But he did at least tentatively endorse something like the fundamental notion of Aristotelian-Thomistic (A-T) metaphysics – the famous distinction between act and potency.
Regarding the “statistical expectation” quantum theory associates with the behavior of an atom, Heisenberg says:
One might perhaps call it an objective tendency or possibility, a “potentia” in the sense of Aristotelian philosophy. In fact, I believe that the language actually used by physicists when they speak about atomic events produces in their minds similar notions as the concept “potentia.” So the physicists have gradually become accustomed to considering the electronic orbits, etc., not as reality but rather as a kind of “potentia.” (pp. 154-5 in the 2007 Harper Perennial Modern Classics edition)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176086
48183231,48188417,2015-07-17 23:35:18,">>48188395
And again:
The probability wave of Bohr, Kramers, Slater… was a quantitative version of the old concept of “potentia” in Aristotelian philosophy. It introduced something standing in the middle between the idea of an event and the actual event, a strange kind of physical reality just in the middle between possibility and reality.
And yet again:
The probability function combines objective and subjective elements. It contains statements about possibilities or better tendencies (“potentia” in Aristotelian philosophy), and these statements are completely objective, they do not depend on any observer; and it contains statements about our knowledge of the system, which of course are subjective in so far as they may be different for different observers. (p. 27)
Discussing, more generally, the relationship between matter and energy in modern physics, Heisenberg says:
If we compare this situation with the Aristotelian concepts of matter and form, we can say that the matter of Aristotle, which is mere “potentia,” should be compared to our concept of energy, which gets into “actuality” by means of the form, when the elementary particle is created. (p.134)
Now an A-T philosopher would want to clarify and qualify these claims. In the first two quotes, Heisenberg contrasts “potentia” with “reality.” What A-T says, though – and what Heisenberg himself clearly means, given the context – is not that potentials are not in any sense real, but rather that qua merely potential they have not been actualized. (Act and potency are in fact both real, but they are different kinds of reality. Part of the point of the distinction is to note that Parmenides’ notorious absolute distinction between being and non-being is too crude: There is, within the realm of being, a difference between the actuality of a thing and its potentials, and the latter are not to be assimilated to sheer non-existence.)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176118
48183231,48188433,2015-07-17 23:35:59,">>48188417
Furthermore, energy in the modern sense wouldn’t count as matter in the Aristotelian sense if what Heisenberg means by that is “prime matter,” viz. matter without any form whatsoever; for energy in the modern sense, given that it has a specific physical description, has form. (It might instead be, though, that what Heisenberg means to suggest is only that energy is the most fundamental kind of in-formed matter.)
In any event, it is clear that what Heisenberg is defending is a core thesis of A-T philosophy of nature, namely that we cannot make sense of the physical world behaving as it does without attributing to its basic components inherent powers which point beyond themselves to certain (often as yet unrealized) ends
Now post how butthurt you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176159
48183231,48188560,2015-07-17 23:40:13,">>48188433
correct me if I am wrong but Heisenberg appears using those concepts slightly differently than Aquinas did. This would imply they are not applicable to his thoery",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176413
48183231,48188613,2015-07-17 23:42:13,">>48188433
One can find tidbits of other philosophical systems if one digs into philosophical implications of quantum mechanics. However, that, again, is a bone thrown by physicists to philosophers. Philosophical considerations of that sort, whoever they come from, are useless in physics. It's a one-way street. Heisenberg engages in post hoc rationalization of quantum theory here.
Once the quantum theory is developed, you can look back and find all sorts of analogies with old philosophical concepts. And not just Aristotle's. Bohr's principle of complementarity, exemplified by the particle-wave duality, resembles the unity of opposites, a philosophical concept developed by Hegel and traceable all the way back to Heraclitus.
Does it mean that Aristotle and Hegel have something useful to say on the subject of quantum physics? No, it does not. Bohr and his colleagues did not rely on either Aristotle or Hegel when they developed quantum theory. They had to rely on calculus and linear algebra, but they had no use for Aristotle's metaphysics or Hegels dialectic.
Of course quantum theory did not remain frozen since inception. Feynman proposed an entirely new formulation of quantum mechanics based on path integrals. Although it is equivalent to the old quantum theory, it enabled physicists to do calculations that were not possible in the old framework. So Feynman's formulation is not an architectural detail on the facade of quantum mechanics, it is a structural member.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176533
48183231,48188624,2015-07-17 23:42:32,">>48188188
>Teatopia is a troll and thus his entire dogma is based on troll logic. He does it for the lulz
Troll logic is intrinsically based on needs. An attribute of God in Aquinas' logic is a rejection of needs.
>Teapotia both exists and doesn't exist. It's so powerful that it transcendents logic like one of those Eldtrich Gods or a convoluted super being from an anime.
If Teapotia breaks the initial premises the argument is founded on we can't continue the conversation altogether for either of us. However, the logical nature of God is an expression of the form of God so if God were illogical it would not. Thus Teapotia does not adhere to Aquinas' attributes.
>Teatopia has a split person (sort of like the trinity) one is good and the other is evil and his strange doctrine is the result of them wrestling for control
You're saying Teapotia has parts. This is against Aquinas' attributes. Aquinas argues for the trinity being one of relations of the same core thing, not parts.
>Teatopia is morally right. Your own moral system is just fucked up and you think good is evil, evil is good, etc. What he does is an act of infinite love but your too unholy to realize it. Piety is the ultimate corruption.
This has nothing to do with morality but logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176552
48183231,48188736,2015-07-17 23:45:31,">>48188624
>Troll logic is intrinsically based on needs. An attribute of God in Aquinas' logic is a rejection of needs.
Not according to my metaphysical premises.
>If Teapotia breaks the initial premises the argument is founded on we can't continue the conversation altogether for either of us.
Logic is contingent on Teapotia, he can change it and bend it however he likes.
>Aquinas argues for the trinity being one of relations of the same core thing, not parts.
Why did Aquinas stop at 3? Seems like his god has potential for more.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176731
48183231,48188742,2015-07-17 23:45:45,Fedora-chan and Christ-chan art when?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176745
48183231,48188759,2015-07-17 23:46:16,">>48188624
how about this: Teatopia believes people should use their deductive reasoning to their fullest and take nothing on faith alone. Only those who question his existence are fulfilling their moral obligations in accordance with his will. Those who do not do this cannot be with Teapotia and are separated from him as an extension of his infinite love",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176776
48183231,48188858,2015-07-17 23:49:18,">>48188736
>Not according to my metaphysical premises.
This gets us to an argument about which is logically sound and correct.
>Logic is contingent on Teapotia, he can change it and bend it however he likes.
If Teapotia breaks the initial premises the argument is founded on we can't continue the conversation altogether for either of us. However, the logical nature of God is an expression of the form of God so if God were illogical it would not. Thus Teapotia does not adhere to Aquinas' attributes.
>Why did Aquinas stop at 3? Seems like his god has potential for more.
The relations are the mind itself, the self-knowledge, and the relation between both. What more are there in defining itself?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176958
48183231,48188861,2015-07-17 23:49:21,">>48188624
He doesn't need to troll. He just does it. God works in mysterious ways
His personality isn't parts anymore than Jesus is a 'part' of God. Same shit.
>This has nothing to do with morality but logic
You are trying to understand why Teatopia only punishes theists. You complained it sounds cruel and a god should be loving. You just have inverted values and do not realize it's the greatest act of love possible.
>If Teapotia breaks the initial premises the argument is founded
He doesn't break the initial premise. He can literally go against everything set up in the premise but not 'break it'. That's part of being all powerful.
Your God is weak. He is limited, restricted, by causality and logic. Teatopia isn't. He can do causation without effect, effect without causation, he can make 2+2 into 5 or into seven notes of music. That is real unlimited power, no limits!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437176961
48183231,48188958,2015-07-17 23:52:38,">>48183231
I was in a pre-kindergarten sunday school. They gave us some home-made play-dough and told us to make an apple. I made a dinosaur instead because fucking dinosaurs are cool when you're a child. The instructor came to me and made me destroy it and create an apple. 
Keep your GOD OUT OF MY DINOSAURS JESUS. 
I'm not sure that I was built for faith and was fortunate enough to have parents that did not participate heavily in religion. You can get your morals from grandpa at Sunday dinner with family. I think traditional family values are important and if the church provides that, it's a good thing for everyone. 
I turned out to be a disgusting degenerate but I'm not having kids so I think it is not as bad as it could be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437177158
48183231,48189169,2015-07-17 23:59:20,">>48188958
Why not have kids if you find traditional family values so important?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437177560
48183231,48189228,2015-07-18 00:01:16,">>48188613
I'm not understanding the issue here. These scientists did work with practical studies and mathematics to understand the world and then appealing to a classical logical system as their option for how to understand it is wrong in some way? A bone throw to it? Of course the logical systems themselves weren't used to gain empirical knowledge but through understanding that empirical knowledge we gain premises to base the logic of reality off of and in some cases test the consistency of the premises themselves.
>Of course quantum theory did not remain frozen since inception. Feynman proposed an entirely new formulation of quantum mechanics based on path integrals. Although it is equivalent to the old quantum theory, it enabled physicists to do calculations that were not possible in the old framework. So Feynman's formulation is not an architectural detail on the facade of quantum mechanics, it is a structural member.
I'm sorry my modern physicist I quoted wasn't modern enough for you. But yes, QM is still being developed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437177676
48183231,48189245,2015-07-18 00:01:44,">>48188742
I guess the next time a draw thread gets made. Want to make one?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437177704
48183231,48189295,2015-07-18 00:03:30,">>48189245
Yuri would be cute.
Alternatively draw them playing a VS video game and being really into it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437177810
48183231,48189330,2015-07-18 00:04:39,">>48189228
>through understanding that empirical knowledge we gain premises to base the logic of reality off of and in some cases test the consistency of the premises themselves.
Then re-write the Unmoved Mover argument, but only uses quantum mechanics.
Pro-tip: You can't. Heisenberg's greatest fault was his unwavering Lutheranism, and attempt to see god and proof of god in everything whether or not it actually made sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437177879
48183231,48189401,2015-07-18 00:06:49,">>48189169
I was struck with bi-polar disorder in my early twenties and do not believe that is fair for me to pass that on to my children. I also do not trust that treatment will work forever, endangering a child is the last thing I want to do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178009
48183231,48189416,2015-07-18 00:07:06,">>48189295
Lel, I can just see Athy picking Akuma and Christ-chan picking Ryu or Ken.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178026
48183231,48189417,2015-07-18 00:07:06,">>48185355
>""lol great rebuttal faggot""
>posts a funny fedora meme",,Anonymous,helicopter_wreck_funny.gif,U5xXy3hqijjmz4hAW1WC2g==,US,,1437178026
48183231,48189498,2015-07-18 00:09:48,">>48184598
It means atheists argue from ignorance because they can't see the bigger picture",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178188
48183231,48189564,2015-07-18 00:11:33,">>48189498
Please, enlighten us about this bigger picture.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178293
48183231,48189648,2015-07-18 00:13:48,">>48189564
I never I was omniscient, now did I?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178428
48183231,48189729,2015-07-18 00:16:00,">>48189648
You claimed that theism is a result of less ignorance. So I figured you actually had something to say besides ""I dunno lol!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178560
48183231,48189745,2015-07-18 00:16:20,">>48189498
The biggest influence for Christianiy's idea of metaphysics comes from Plato's Theory of Forms.
If you understand this it is much easier to figure out what the hell idiot Christians like this mean.
Plato was a very unhappy man who saw the whole world as flawed. As inconvenienced the idea that there must be a 'better world' he didn't have any proof but desperately wanted it to be true so that there would something beyond the world he so hated.
He conceived the concept of 'the world forms' where the perfect version of everything exists in an unchanging stasis. Human goodness could only be achieved by rejecting reality and concentrating on this world of forms.
The Christians basically replaced 'world of forms' with 'God and heaven', the idea of the flawed world with the idea of a sinful, the idea that goodness can only be achieved by concentrating on the world of forms is replaced with the idea that goodness can only come from God (the one ultimate form).
Even Aquinas arguments are just a knock off of Plato. Aquinas wanted an initial mover. Plato wanted an initial 'perfect form' that all inferior things are a replica of.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178580
48183231,48189752,2015-07-18 00:16:32,Can you please return to Reddit,,Anonymous,1387709196061.jpg,xz8U1/pncYrjKxq7VqhvuQ==,US,,1437178592
48183231,48189838,2015-07-18 00:18:39,">>48189752
Safe places are for pussies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437178719
48183231,48189979,2015-07-18 00:22:50,">>48189745
Based.",,Anonymous,Megan-atheist-small.jpg,JyLlAJnd9Q+BHuEBNx00VA==,US,,1437178970
48183231,48190044,2015-07-18 00:24:35,">>48189752
Holy shit. White Arthur Chu.",,Anonymous,chu.jpg,2VMvH3b2r745qQmWL/7CDw==,US,,1437179075
48183231,48190170,2015-07-18 00:27:49,">god created man
>god created the devil
>god allows the devil to influence and corrupt man
>god punishes the corrupted by sending them to hell to be tortured by the devil
>this pleases the devil
doesn't this make god evil?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437179269
48183231,48190239,2015-07-18 00:30:09,">>48190170
God is evil because he made free will.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437179409
48183231,48190245,2015-07-18 00:30:22,Lol,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437179422
48207224,48207224,2015-07-18 11:08:26,"Post atheism.
I will start:
How can anyone believe in God, /pol/?
God doesn't protect all children and innocent, God doesn't make himself clear to the whole planet. It is like he doesn't exist!
Heaven and doom: how exactly is this place called heaven? Do you agree that showing anyone a first glance of Hell would be enough to fix them? How do people lie to their best friends and family about a imaginary friend? How many young men lost their days with this? Literally all of my friends were trolled by this. There is something like hundreds of thousands of people who avoid medical care because of Faith, receiving prayers actually correlates with bad health and death!
God should be proven once and for all: Where can you find this proof of God? If not, How can people talk about something they don't know? How do people forget their wishful thinking is failing?
Pic related, Pythagoreans celebrating the sunrise: religion even towards Reason! Shows the difference between Pythagoras and his followers. Religion is the Plebeian expression.",Atheism General,Anonymous,640px-Bronnikov_gimnpifagoreizev.jpg,16oHnzGSCfmW+N5x80rm5g==,BR,,1437217706
48207224,48207770,2015-07-18 11:23:38,">>48207224
in classical belief the universe = God.
you don't believe in the thing that created everything including itself even though it's proven to exist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437218618
48207224,48207902,2015-07-18 11:27:30,">>48207770
So the universe wants us to worship it for eternity and if not it will punish and torture us for eternity?
You're think the great Tao m8",,Anonymous,1426832920237.gif,NR+aA/tad5LX7zFVdjurNg==,AU,,1437218850
48207224,48208020,2015-07-18 11:30:32,">>48207224
>God should be proven once and for all: Where can you find this proof of God?
Serious question here: What manner of proof would you accept?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437219032
48269814,48269814,2015-07-19 18:08:43,"Feel free to discuss atheism, agnosticism, and secular living.
Today's thread question: In what ways can your government be improved by being more secular?",Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437329323
48269814,48269835,2015-07-19 18:09:12,">>48269814
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,transform.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1437329352
48269814,48269924,2015-07-19 18:11:40,">>48269835
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437329500
48269814,48269948,2015-07-19 18:12:24,">>48269924
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437329544
48269814,48269958,2015-07-19 18:12:53,">>48269948
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,1433205788867.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1437329573
48269814,48270223,2015-07-19 18:19:42,">>48269814
Define secular.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437329982
48269814,48270250,2015-07-19 18:20:20,>>48269814,,Anonymous,back2reddit.jpg,fQkQbtn5rGFQq0zKz5nubg==,BE,,1437330020
48269814,48270268,2015-07-19 18:20:44,">>48270223
Not religious/spiritual",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330044
48269814,48270303,2015-07-19 18:21:24,">>48270250
Nice meme xD Hilarious and original!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330084
48269814,48270409,2015-07-19 18:23:53,">>48269814
believe it or not, im a mod on /r/atheism!
keep up the good fight lads!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330233
48269814,48270428,2015-07-19 18:24:16,">>48270268
Still vague. How would it not be religious/spiritual? If you mean a government in which politicians are not in any way influenced by religious beliefs, that's absolutely impossible. Politicians (ideally) make laws based around what they believe is right, in addition to other reasons. Your moral system is influenced by your religious beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330256
48269814,48270487,2015-07-19 18:25:43,">>48270409
How does it feel to be a mod on the cornerstone of retardation on the internet?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330343
48269814,48270573,2015-07-19 18:27:32,">>48270428
The difference is thinking atheists are evil and making a law that prohibits atheists from holding public office.
One is a non-secular view, and the other is the government becoming less secular. An obvious way to improve the government by making it less secular would be to abolish laws like these",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330452
48269814,48270644,2015-07-19 18:29:08,">>48270409
Any suggestions on videos or reading material? Making knowledge about atheism more accessible? Being as effective as possible at spreading this information?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330548
48269814,48270716,2015-07-19 18:30:45,So where is the evidence?,,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437330645
48269814,48270792,2015-07-19 18:32:30,">>48270716
Fedora-chan would like to know as well",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330750
48269814,48270821,2015-07-19 18:33:09,"Fuck out of /pol/ with this shit.
How about this? Where's YOUR evidence that God doesn't exist? Where's YOUR proof that the Lord Jesus Christ was not the son of God?
Want proof of God? Read pic related and grow out of your fucking high school edgelord phase.",,Anonymous,The_Holy_Bible[1].jpg,dOtuhos6d8qcdC6Y6HDSDw==,US,,1437330789
48269814,48270875,2015-07-19 18:34:28,">>48270792
Then she's agnostic",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437330868
48269814,48270901,2015-07-19 18:35:13,">>48270573
Sure, and I would absolutely agree with the removal of that kind of law. History has shown time and again that when religion and politics become that tightly intertwined, religion suffers from it as well as politics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330913
48269814,48270903,2015-07-19 18:35:14,">>48270875
Of course, all intelligent atheists are agnostic",,Anonymous,agnostic.png,A94H3Pmnp6IK6pMcYVfx3Q==,US,,1437330914
48269814,48270908,2015-07-19 18:35:19,">>48270821
>Jesus
Here's my proof against that guy, I believe there's a God and a Messiah, however.
""Whoever puts his trust in Him shall not be put to shame.""
-The bible on ""Jesus"".
>Be playing UltraSFIV
>Be on one of my best characters (not that I am good or anything).
>Trust Jesus so I get victory, believing victory is decided.
>get perfected, totally rekt, humilliated, SHAMED if you will.
>play not trusting
>take half energy bar of my opponent.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437330919
48269814,48270932,2015-07-19 18:36:00,">>48270903
So Penn Jillette is stupid?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437330960
48269814,48270968,2015-07-19 18:36:49,">>48270908
Either way god has not blessed you with a talent for SF",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1437331009
48269814,48270980,2015-07-19 18:37:14,">>48270908
>Jesus
>Helping you win in a civil competition
Get your fucking heretical prosperity theology outta here.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437331034
48269814,48271082,2015-07-19 18:39:50,">>48270968
It may be so but something is proven: true things happen, false things don't.
What did happen? I wasn't spared of my humilliation.
Therefore that name is fake.
>>48270980
Not shamed means you don't get humilliated, you don't have why to win, but you get spared from rekts.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437331190
48269814,48271120,2015-07-19 18:40:45,">implying all of reality is not a dream
>implying we are not within a wheel
>implying the towers do not suspend reality above oblivion and create the linearity of time
>implying ""God"" is truly a god and not equally bound by the wheel
>Earth is just another wheel within that wheel
>implying we exist and aren't just figments in the imaginary dream of the Godhead
>implying I haven't achieved CHIM",,Anonymous,1399829602127.jpg,aHjrfX7xVtlvUuI2L6MA7g==,US,,1437331245
48269814,48271145,2015-07-19 18:41:25,>>48269814,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437331285
48269814,48271156,2015-07-19 18:41:50,">>48270980
And by the way? Yes, unless tested YOU DO WIN.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437331310
48269814,48271157,2015-07-19 18:41:51,">>48270903
Almost nobody uses those definitions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437331311
48269814,48271162,2015-07-19 18:41:58,">>48271082
Maybe God wanted you to get humiliated.
After all humility is a virtue.",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1437331318
48269814,48271176,2015-07-19 18:42:27,">>48271162
Of course He did, so I could see the lie.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437331347
48269814,48271177,2015-07-19 18:42:27,">>48270980
It's a copy-pasta, just ignore it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437331347
48269814,48271202,2015-07-19 18:43:02,">>48271177
From what day?",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1437331382
48269814,48271204,2015-07-19 18:43:08,">>48270487
how does it feel to not have morals?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437331388
48269814,48271297,2015-07-19 18:45:29,">>48270932
Are you referring to this article? http://thisibelieve.org/essay/34/
It doesn't look like he is claiming he can prove god doesn't exist, he is just playing with words and advocating explicit atheism over implicit atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437331529
48269814,48271600,2015-07-19 18:53:36,"Plato was a very unhappy person who say the whole world as 'imperfect'. He imaged a 'better world' called the world of forms. All goodness is derived from the world of forms. It has the perfect form of everything in it and the world of forms is unchanging and invisible. A contras to this 'imperfect' world Socrates hated so much.
He didn't have any proof for the world of forms but he reasoned that it must be true because there must be something better than this terrible world (in other words he wanted escapism).
In Socrates philosophy 'goodness' is achieved by rejecting the material world and concentrating on the invisible world of forms.
Socrates also believed IF there were Gods (he was not very religious) they would live in the world of forms.
Christianity basically replaces 'the world of forms' with God and heaven. God is the one ultimate form from which all goodness comes.
'concentrating on the world of forms' becomes prayer.
'this imperfect world' becomes sin. In platos mind everything in the 'material' world is a cheap knock off the 'form world'. Sort of how like Christians say 'we are far from God's light'.
Aquinas wanted an 'prime mover'. Socrates wanted a 'initial form'",,Anonymous,christian_values.png,55Ci5nZtTkk75JQco4EgjA==,US,,1437332016
48269814,48271857,2015-07-19 18:59:58,">>48270644
>""There is a lack of knowledge about atheism on the internet.""
Are you joking?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437332398
48269814,48271866,2015-07-19 19:00:11,Atheism has nothing to do with /pol/ and never will. Fuck off,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437332411
48269814,48271935,2015-07-19 19:01:45,">>48270303
You too faggot :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437332505
48269814,48271937,2015-07-19 19:01:50,">>48271600
>Socrates also believed IF there were Gods (he was not very religious) they would live in the world of forms.
Are you high? During his trial, Socrates was constantly talking about his ""Daemon"" which means spirit. The guy was a monotheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437332510
48269814,48271957,2015-07-19 19:02:18,">>48271866
Sorry, are these ideas too controversial for you? :^)
May I suggest a safe-place like https://www.reddit.com/r/christianity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437332538
48269814,48271990,2015-07-19 19:02:57,"All Religions are built upon the idea that my religion is better than yours, if you have faith. Don't worry about the muslims chopping our heads off, we have faith. Don't worry about the nazis throwing us in concentration camps, we have faith. Don't worry about the Christians trying to take back Jerusalem, we have faith. 
All of this, For what? We all die, we all decompose in the earth. What makes you think that any higher being would care enough to focus on Earth, a tiny speck of sand in the desert of existence, or even humans for that matter? What makes you think that your ""god"" cares about each and every human? Each and every Mexican family split apart trying to cross the border, every Jewish family split apart in concentration camps, every starving African child? I'll tell you what; faith. Your ""faith"" has you doing everything that a 4000 year old book says (thats never been altered in history, mind you because my faith tells me so). Your ""faith"" has you alienate someone for their sexual orientation, their race, and their beliefs. Your ""faith"" drives countries into war, slaughtering thousands of innocent people in the name of your god. What makes you think you're anything more than just entertainment for this ""god""? What makes you think this god is even there, for that matter. He's all loving, Isn't he? He loves each and every rapist, murderer, thief, pedophile, Everyone! 
Religion is fucking retarded, it's not even good to follow in terms of morals. If religion is how you dictate your political decisions, fuck you, kill yourself and drink bleach.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437332577
48269814,48272280,2015-07-19 19:10:36,">>48271937
Socrates believed in the Greek gods as he stated many times including during his trial. He also believed in a personal deity called a daemon which advised him.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333036
48269814,48272287,2015-07-19 19:10:50,">>48269814
By removing religious zealots from my government, we could provably spend time focusing on issues that actually matter, instead of these people trying to create unconstitutional laws that favor their religion, or discriminate against other people they don't like. 
Secular government is important here in the US because we promise freedom of (and by extension freedom from) religion, and to do that our government should not be allowed to push any form of religious agenda, or otherwise represent any religion above others, so that any religious or non religious person is free to practice or not practice as they choose without discrimination or favoritism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333050
48269814,48272501,2015-07-19 19:16:21,"Religion has been personal guidelines to being a better person for a long time now. We've moved past religion being the explanation of why bad things happen and where the sun goes at night.
Atheists just can't tell the difference.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333381
48269814,48272551,2015-07-19 19:17:33,">>48272280
Socrates's theory of forms is also the basis for Gnosticism. Which basically says that there are evil spirits trying to keep us fixated on the material world and distract us from our spiritual focus on the world of forms.
There is an idea that Christianity=Gnosticism+Judaism
But because Gnosticism is just a spin off of Plato you could also say Christianity=Plato+Judaism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333453
48269814,48272565,2015-07-19 19:18:00,">>48272287
I can only imagine what it would take to get an atheist elected. Based on these numbers, it might be quite some time before you can run on such a platform.
>>48272501
We don't need religion to be a better person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7xt5LtgsxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSS-88ShJfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-yLH4bXAI
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333480
48269814,48272627,2015-07-19 19:19:42,">>48272287
>>48272565
Link kinda got lost there, based on these numbers: http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333582
48269814,48272654,2015-07-19 19:20:26,">>48272501
>We've moved past religion being the explanation of why bad things happen and where the sun goes at night.
Well, most of us have, anyways.
>Religion has been personal guidelines to being a better person for a long time now.
If it's just that, why do we need the appeal to a higher power?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437333626
48269814,48272663,2015-07-19 19:20:36,">>48270932
I believe he would agree with the image.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTWlQaZ0DWo
>>48271157
Well do you accept the new definition or try to spread the correction where you see it? I try to spread what it really means. As he says in the video, the idea of agnosticism as being in the middle is useless anyway.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437333636
48269814,48272669,2015-07-19 19:20:47,">>48272551
The life of Jesus and Socrates is also very similar. Jesus claimed to be divine. Socrates claimed he was the wisest on earth. Both very arrogaunt. Both insulted their own community. Jesus called his fellow Jews a 'synagogue of satan'. Socrates said the Greeks were all fools. Both were put on trial for religious reasons (Socrates was accused of trying to re-write the Gods as 'form' and Jesus of rewriting the God as himself). Both claimed to be innocent in their trial yet agreed to be exicuted anyway. Both vowed revenge for their death sentence.
Jesus vowed revenge with his return and judgment. Socrates vowed revenge saying that his philosophy would attack the Greeks from beyond the grave.
Both said to their community that they were executing a savior.
Both came from poor backgrounds and grew up in a time of decline. Jesus grew up in a time when the Jews had been squashed by the Romans. Socrates in a time when the Greeks had been ass kicked by the Spartans. Both were products of social decay.
They created a philosophy that rejected the whole world, calling it dirty, in favor an invisible world. The condemned their own society calling them either 'fools' or 'sinners'.
and BOTH NEVER WROTE ANYTHING DOWN.
We don't even know if there was a Jesus or Socrates. We only know about Socrates because his disciples wrote about him, same with Jesus. Most likely both characters were illiterate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333647
48269814,48272705,2015-07-19 19:21:45,">>48269814
In a democratic society the degree of power religion has is based on the number of theists and how intense they are about their beliefs.
The intensity part is important, in some parts of Europe there is a high Christian population but they are too lapsed to have it influence politics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333705
48269814,48272834,2015-07-19 19:24:53,">>48272654
It is a good motivator for idiots who would otherwise fuck themselves up without being subject to a higher power.
For example, look at Islam where pork is disallowed. Islam is a religion of hot countries where pork rots very quickly and becomes toxic. Now the equivalent today would be a scientist telling us that it is dangerous, but back then the best way to transmit this message was through religion with the threat of a higher power.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437333893
48269814,48272851,2015-07-19 19:25:18,">>48272551
That's the conclusion I come to as well. Christianity is exoterically Jewish monotheism but esoterically Greek paganism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437333918
48269814,48272888,2015-07-19 19:26:16,">>48272834
And here lies the problem with making this higher power ""god"", i.e. absolute: Even if the danger is neutralized and the rule can safely be abolished, people will still cling to it forever and get pissed if other people violate it.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437333976
48269814,48272938,2015-07-19 19:27:43,">>48269814
The only thing that gets under the skin of a legit Christian more than an edgy, rebellious teenager busting sick fedora tricks is an atheist who pretends to be a Christian, as if they are patronizing Christians like they are young children who still believe in Santa Claus, and need the fear of an invisible man watching over their shoulder with threats of eternal punishment present to keep them from kidnapping and raping children.
Which is why we should all do it constantly and make it obvious.
>Face it, boy. Father created a bunch of perverts and retards.
>All you can do is forgive them.",,Anonymous,Temptation_of_Christ.jpg,Vf2fl0hB4IzoziD3gtS6sA==,US,,1437334063
48269814,48273187,2015-07-19 19:34:59,">>48272834
In the past priest's had much more power. The lower class were superstitious so the priest could demonstrate his magic or relationship to his God with common tricks like vague prophecy.
Thus when a priest said something he wasn't questioned. So his ability to direct the public (for better or worst) was legitmate back than.
If you got into a Catholic general you will see that even the high priest (pope) is not believed by the faithful. If even the high priest's word is questioned what hope does religion have of directing any morality for better or worst?
The modern religious people develop their own ideas and grasp out for holy texts that affirm them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437334499
48269814,48273285,2015-07-19 19:37:50,">>48272938
I'm tossing around the idea of starting a church which teaches a Luciferian interpretation of the Bible, and is completely forthright about what their intentions are. We'd turn the whole legend upside down.
>The only difference between our church and every other church is that our congregation is in on the joke.",,Anonymous,steve-jobs.jpg,VStKMomVgjjB9X2LXok81Q==,US,,1437334670
48269814,48273304,2015-07-19 19:38:25,">>48273187
>The modern religious people develop their own ideas and grasp out for holy texts that affirm them.
Why do you think there has been such a radical change? Is it simply just the invention of the Internet, or is it a small part of a bigger zeitgeist going on in the world?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437334705
48269814,48273371,2015-07-19 19:40:09,What's the difference between schizos and theists again?,,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437334809
48269814,48273393,2015-07-19 19:40:41,">>48269814
>Today's thread question: In what ways can your government be improved by being more secular?
It can't. Secular governments have always eventually become oppressive dictatorships. Lrn2history.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437334841
48269814,48273400,2015-07-19 19:40:51,>tfw no pantheist gf,,Anonymous,1348291763882.png,5cEckTplLrF+u7CX55h+rA==,CA,,1437334851
48269814,48273415,2015-07-19 19:41:09,">>48273371
Theists believe a common delusion.
Which brings into question the legitimacy of psychology.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437334869
48269814,48273466,2015-07-19 19:42:19,">>48273393
You realize that pretty much all countries use a secular government model, right? Besides those using Sharia Law anyway",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437334939
48269814,48273561,2015-07-19 19:44:42,">>48273400
What is the practical difference between a pantheist and an atheist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335082
48269814,48273567,2015-07-19 19:44:57,">>48273304
Because deep down most of them do not actually believe it. When they are sick they go to a doctor rather than God. Thus they believe more in the teachings of Hippocrates than Jesus. They are doing what they think benefits them the most.
And in continuing to hoodwink them-self into 'believing' it they again are doing what they believe benefits them-self. They appear morally upright by being religious. And in political debates it helps to have a divine figure on your side.
They do not realize they are practicing double think, it's a subconscious thing like a chameleon changing colors.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335097
48269814,48273601,2015-07-19 19:45:42,">>48273561
>What is the practical difference between someone who believes in many gods v. someone who believes in none?
Hmmmmmm",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335142
48269814,48273607,2015-07-19 19:45:51,">>48273561
There isn't one, at least for me. It's just an idea.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437335151
48269814,48273624,2015-07-19 19:46:27,What is the highest government positions an atheist has held?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335187
48269814,48273693,2015-07-19 19:48:14,">>48272669
>>48271600
This was pretty well received. Do you think it should be turned into an image of some kind?
I'm thinking Socrates's life/teachings on the left side, Jesus's life/teachings on the right, and text in them middle talking about the transition between the two.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335294
48269814,48273707,2015-07-19 19:48:42,">>48273561
A pantheist believes in a pantheon of many gods, like the Greek gods of Olympus. 
An Atheist evaluates theistic claims, and does not accept them because they lack substantial evidence, thus they believe in no gods at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335322
48269814,48273717,2015-07-19 19:48:51,">>48273624
Worldwide? Probably chairman of china.
In the US? A couple senators and governors.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437335331
48269814,48273739,2015-07-19 19:49:34,">>48273601
>>48273707
Are you two thinking of polytheism?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437335374
48269814,48273742,2015-07-19 19:49:38,">>48273717
Oh yeah China I forgot about the fake commies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335378
48269814,48273768,2015-07-19 19:50:25,">>48271937
Daemons in Ancient Greece were a large group of nature spirits, guides, or forces of nature. They are not Yahweh. They were everything from the anthropomorphization of bodies of water to the identity of cosmic forces (IE, love) to the modern concept of ""Guardian Angels"". 
Just because Socrates was guided by a Daemon doesn't mean he was a monotheist any more than someone who did what Zeus was saying was a monotheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335425
48269814,48273797,2015-07-19 19:51:13,">>48273693
""Make it so""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335473
48269814,48273821,2015-07-19 19:51:48,Does anyone feel like most outright atheists are douchebags/edgelords because only arrogant people would waste time being obsessed with something they think is false?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335508
48269814,48273830,2015-07-19 19:52:09,>implying,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335529
48269814,48273867,2015-07-19 19:53:08,">>48273821
I feel like it will get better with time",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335588
48269814,48273892,2015-07-19 19:53:52,">>48273821
totally",,Anonymous,1437239825750.png,dhcwdCvd6bhV8MR8IKa9wA==,MX,,1437335632
48269814,48273920,2015-07-19 19:54:41,">>48273624
That's like asking ""how much of the population of Britain in 1920 was secretly homosexual?""",,Anonymous,o-130974859-570.jpg,c+YU68Us0pYou1cX4BX3lA==,US,,1437335681
48269814,48273932,2015-07-19 19:54:53,">>48273768
Read the actual text. It's very clear he's referring to some form of deity. I didn't claim he believed in the Abrahamic God, but it's very clear he followed an individual deity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335693
48269814,48273956,2015-07-19 19:55:49,">>48273821
Growing up in a 99% christian community I didn't really have access to many outside ideas. It was when I first started browsing the Internet regularly that I was introduced to the idea of atheism. So I think those that are willing to put these kinds of arguments on the Internet for sheltered people to find is a good thing.
Also, a lot of the autism we see in new atheism is directly caused by atheists former christianity. They want to retain the victim complex and whine as much as they can. It will get better with time",,Anonymous,GallupImportance.png,ZvdHLV3QwwX0AaOHJtju0Q==,US,,1437335749
48269814,48274011,2015-07-19 19:57:31,">>48273920
openly atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335851
48269814,48274013,2015-07-19 19:57:31,">>48273821
There's nothing wrong with being narcissistic if your shit really does smell like roses.
>People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.
-Isaac Asimov
>With people of limited ability modesty is merely honesty. But with those who possess great talent it is hypocrisy.
-Arthur Schopenhauer",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335851
48269814,48274095,2015-07-19 19:59:46,">>48273624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437335986
48269814,48274131,2015-07-19 20:00:46,"I think Anabaptists had the right idea on how to handle Religion
>most Anabaptists adhered to a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, which precluded taking oaths, participating in military actions, and participating in civil government,",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336046
48269814,48274214,2015-07-19 20:03:24,Have you faggots ever considered not letting God occupy so many of your thoughts? You make atheists look like retards.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336204
48269814,48274215,2015-07-19 20:03:26,">>48273932
The entire trial of Socrates is a clusterfuck.
For one he's doing what Apollo said. Or, more so, trying to prove Apollo wrong (The Oracle said he is the wisest man, but he knows he knows nothing, ergo Apollo and the Oracle are wrong). Secondly he says he is guided by his daemon (Or more so the daemon is guiding him away from danger). 
But keep in mind that ""Daemon"" is a very large class of entities in Greek mythology and the only thing uniting them is that they are not deities. Love, for example, is a Daemon according to Socrates. For all we know it could have been a jab at the superstitious jury (""IT WASN'T ME JUDGE, IT WAS MY GUARDIAN ANGEL!""), it could have been a metaphor (""Reason, that cruel mistress, drives me to correct people!"") or it could have been his guardian angel concept (Which has roots in his concept of reincarnation). 
Whether he believed any of this is off the table. Again the entire trial is one big cock slap in the face to the jury (He proves himself innocent then insults the jury to get them to hate him enough to give a guilty verdict).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336206
48269814,48274287,2015-07-19 20:05:28,">>48274214
Have you ever considered not letting atheists occupy so many of your thoughts? You make theists look like retards.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336328
48269814,48274339,2015-07-19 20:06:57,">>48274214
I don't contemplate the existence of deities. That would indeed be a waste of time. The God question is already settled.
It's his fanbase that I hate so much.",,Anonymous,Quotation-Criss-Jami-funny-great-devil-humor-world-god-challenge-philosophy-satire-feelings-atheism-bible-teaching-sin-skepticism-irony-theology-Meetville-Quotes-119303.jpg,av/07qjTVyWXB4X16+Y0Gg==,US,,1437336417
48269814,48274348,2015-07-19 20:07:10,">>48274215
hows your unemployment doin classicistfag?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437336430
48269814,48274408,2015-07-19 20:09:03,">>48274214
It's necessary.
If we don't talk about it nothing will ever change.
I only speak of atheism when on the internet though.
The atheists who go around with a fedora and talking about it everywhere are the ones making us look bad, those are the real retards.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437336543
48269814,48274449,2015-07-19 20:10:09,">>48274131
The Sermon on the Mount is basically Jesus giving a speech that being a victim is good and God will reward you for your suffering. Christianity is the biggest SJWism, with things like victimhood being praised through things like martyrdom, the 'sacred victims' being eaten by lions, and the ultimate victim Christ.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336609
48269814,48274479,2015-07-19 20:10:44,">>48274214
Religious people are a supermajority in the country. 
Why would I just discount what's likely a prominent factor in other peoples decision making, especially when we live in a representative democracy? 
It makes sense to keep an eye on/discuss/study the views of that supermajority.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336644
48269814,48274572,2015-07-19 20:12:59,">>48274408
Yet no one seems to mind the constant street preaching, protests, signs, advertisements, etc. of Christians. Hell, every other billboard here is for some church",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336779
48269814,48274619,2015-07-19 20:13:59,">>48274449
they would not force conversion by the sword so they were pretty sane",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336839
48269814,48274623,2015-07-19 20:14:06,">>48274408
That's the thing.
No one usually evangelizes in real life, because they know no one wants to hear it.
But then I have to go to the one place where I'd expect there to be a bunch of shitheads like me fighting against political correctness and how it is used to stifle free thought, on a board where users regularly exchange illustrations of child sexual exploitation, and I get told, ""Fuck off. /pol/ is a Christian board.""
It'd be fucking hilarious if it weren't like I was literally sitting in a confession booth. No one goes into a Christian general thread and asks, ""why do you guys spend so much time thinking about Jeebus?""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437336846
48269814,48274724,2015-07-19 20:16:47,">>48274623
the reason they are pissed is because /pol/ is one of the few places they can circle jerk in peace
how many other internet boards do you know that allows rural/suburban socially conservative christians to speak their minds? not many
so whenever an atheist / lefitst etc comes they get triggered because their precious echochamber is invaded",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437337007
48269814,48274736,2015-07-19 20:17:15,">>48274572
So much this. 
The whole reason the country is in this state is because Atheists of the past sat around and allowed themselves to be trodden on, maligned, and eventually demonized during the surge of religiosity in response to communism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337035
48269814,48274747,2015-07-19 20:17:34,">>48274623
>But then I have to go to the one place where I'd expect there to be a bunch of shitheads like me fighting against political correctness and how it is used to stifle free thought, on a board where users regularly exchange illustrations of child sexual exploitation, and I get told, ""Fuck off. /pol/ is a Christian board.""
I never understood this either. I asked in a Christian thread about this once and basically the response I got was the /pol/'s views did line up with their conservative Christian views. (not all of it but most of it)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337054
48269814,48274791,2015-07-19 20:18:50,">>48274724
Socially conservative people would do well not to hang out among the profane.
They don't show up at a bar, so why would they expect anything different here?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337130
48269814,48274892,2015-07-19 20:21:11,">>48274724
see 
>>48271957",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337271
48269814,48274928,2015-07-19 20:22:05,">>48274791
not expecting anything, just telling it as it is
news/pol had always been a far right cirlejerk and echochamber and these folks get triggered easily if they see someone whom they are disagreeing kinda like liberels
hence back to reddit
hence srs/jidf detected
hence pol is a christian board
etc etc
>>48274892
I just typed back to reddit above then see your post, you kinda prove my point.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437337325
48269814,48274950,2015-07-19 20:22:50,What's some decent shit i should spend my time reading?,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437337370
48269814,48274986,2015-07-19 20:23:50,">>48274928
By this logic /pol/ should be a Muslim board since they are usually more far-right than Christians. There is no reason you can't be far-right and irreligious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINa22UR0S4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337430
48269814,48275032,2015-07-19 20:24:46,">>48274950
Recommended reading is at the top of this thread. I just ordered ""Sense and Goodness Without God"" myself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337486
48269814,48275049,2015-07-19 20:25:16,">>48274950
Check the top of the thread friend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337516
48269814,48275061,2015-07-19 20:25:27,">>48274950
Would depend what you want out of the read.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437337527
48269814,48275066,2015-07-19 20:25:32,">>48274986
of course one can be a far right atheist
 my point was spesific groups be it atheist or christian want this place to be very homogenous and get triggered when they see diversity in opinions.
>>48274950
ignore this liberal kike filth >>48275032
read Against the Jews by St John Chrysostom",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437337532
48269814,48275153,2015-07-19 20:27:52,">>48274950
Stay away from all fiction.
Philosophical essays are good. Self-help books are good. Psychology books are interesting, particularly the ones outlining cognitive biases/distortions (so you can better identify when you fall victim to them - we all do). Older style textbooks are pretty good (ones which have a lot of material and explanation and less cramming/review questions).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337672
48269814,48275237,2015-07-19 20:29:50,"Atheism is as blue-pilled as it gets. Daily reminder that 90% of Atheists are Liberals. 
Fucking degenerate trash, I spit on all you nihilistic pieces of garbage.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437337790
48269814,48275283,2015-07-19 20:31:00,>>48275237,,Anonymous,dont care.gif,2jY/whv4ZTspY2yH1+R4lA==,US,,1437337860
48269814,48275286,2015-07-19 20:31:06,">>48275237
I thought Aussies were supposed to be good at shitposting. 
2/10 have your reply and get out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437337866
48269814,48275362,2015-07-19 20:32:47,">>48275283
>>48275286
Burn in hell, apes.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437337967
48269814,48275416,2015-07-19 20:34:04,">>48275237
>Daily reminder
We've really been swarmed by reddit lately.",,Anonymous,1401264547442.jpg,eDdHuJuEZaLedxTQlfSTeQ==,SE,,1437338044
48269814,48275433,2015-07-19 20:34:25,">>48275237
You're in a den of guerilla ontology, among atheists who pretend to be Christians just to make a mockery of Christianity and make you all look ridiculous, and you're completely oblivious. Go back to raging at other denominations.
Basic Rules of Reality
>If, ever, you stumble upon an idea which may or may not be true, regardless of whether it actually is or not, if you wouldn't be surprised if people believe it, ALWAYS CLAIM IT IS TRUE WITH CONFIDENCE, because that's what you usually do anyway.
―Anonymous
>If no one rejects rumors and hearsay on the basis of them being obviously ridiculous, then that means they are plausible, and if they are plausible, then they might as well be true.
―Anonymous
>In a world where you suspect everyone is trolling, you have no choice but to take everyone seriously. It doesn't matter if they are trolling because it doesn't matter if they are serious.
―Anonymous
>It is not necessary for the public to know whether I am joking or whether I am serious, just as it is not necessary for me to know it myself.
―Salvador Dalí
>The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth - it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true.
―Ecclesiastes
>A falsehood which sustains order is clearly preferable to a truth which permits chaos.
―Pope Francis
>Communication must become total and conscious before we can stop it.
―William S. Burroughs
>Whoever shall find the interpretation of these words shall not taste of death.
―Jesus
>Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really understand the situation.
―Edward R. Murrow",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338065
48269814,48275532,2015-07-19 20:36:33,">>48275416
It's not reddit, it's the zeitgeist. You should know that better than most",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338193
48269814,48275598,2015-07-19 20:38:07,">>48270303
And yet it still gets the point across of what needs to happen here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338287
48269814,48275631,2015-07-19 20:38:41,">>48275237
I actually want to ask a question relating to this. I'm an atheist, and I'm also very socially conservative [pro-traditional family, against sexual deviance, small limited government, etc], and I've noticed a lot of liberal atheists, when they say ""Keep God out of government"" what they really mean is ""Keep conservatism out of government"" just because most conservatives are theist, so they assume there is no possible reason to be against [homosexuality, abortion, etc] unless you're a bible-thumper, so they imagine if you toss all the bible-thumpers out of office, we'll live in a liberal SJW paradise where everyone gets their preferred pronouns and universal healthcare.
How do we deal with this? Is it worth 'stemming the power of religion' in government, if its basically used as an excuse to silence half the political spectrum? Or how should we deal with this?
Those of you who are going to answer ""Hurp atheism MEANS liberalism/communism/etc"" can just go the fuck home, adults are talking.",,Anonymous,tumblr_mchhdhE1BJ1qzbgeyo1_400.jpg,qNvfmWvJV60ZgZkX7UmxKw==,US,,1437338321
48269814,48275643,2015-07-19 20:38:53,">>48269814
I thought my government was secular. Its not like there's a Papist in office.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338333
48269814,48275649,2015-07-19 20:39:04,">>48275598
Christians that come here and are afraid of getting their feelings hurt need to go to a safe place. Like r/christianity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338344
48269814,48275653,2015-07-19 20:39:09,">>48275433
I'm a deist. So why are you bringing up Christianity?",,Anonymous,MxM8uBiH.jpg,fG9T+qxixWAx/Wr3BQf8RA==,AU,,1437338349
48269814,48275654,2015-07-19 20:39:12,">>48275532
Nah just autistic fedoras having a circlejerk",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437338352
48269814,48275682,2015-07-19 20:39:59,">>48275649
/r/Christianity is filled with leftist shills.. Christians beware.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437338399
48269814,48275689,2015-07-19 20:40:06,">>48270980
KEK. Seriously though. Fuck Joel Olsteen",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338406
48269814,48275713,2015-07-19 20:40:47,">>48275643
Here are some points to consider:
a) ""In God We Trust"" was printed on the money being in the 1950's. This motto would not pass the lemon test (government shall not promote any religion).
b) Although it shouldn't be anybody's business, politicians' religious beliefs are put in the spot light. For example, many claimed Obama is a Muslim and didn't want to vote for him because of that. Romney is a Mormon. The Australian PM is atheist.
c) People are trying to throw out science and teach religion in our public schools. Religion has no place in these schools to brainwash our children. School is for learning and evolution is fact, not creationism or ID.
d) During holidays, there are posted signs of ""keep Christ in Christmas"" on public/government property. Besides being inaccurate, this will not pass the lemon test.
e) Politicians and others are using their religion as bases for laws such as gay marriage and abortion. No religion should be forced on everybody (freedom of religion).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338447
48269814,48275846,2015-07-19 20:43:55,">>48275653
Same difference.
Check my privilege.",,Anonymous,chicago-cubs-crotch-grab.jpg,3hqXgMV3OuJ/1IUUvuMnWw==,US,,1437338635
48269814,48275853,2015-07-19 20:44:07,">>48275631
When I say we should leave religion at the door when it comes to government, I mean that people should work a little harder to justify their policies than just ""well muh babble said it so its tru!"". 
There are indeed secular reasons to be concerned about homosexuality and abortion, immigration, spending on stuff like welfare and military, ect ect. 
I'd just prefer people be forced to actually back up those things with something more substantial than religious dogma, and I think anybody who can't do that shouldn't be in office in the first place because they lack intellectual rigor. 
If conservatisms strongest leg is a demonstrably flawed religion with which it cannot function, than it deserves ridicule, however if (as I believe) it isn't reliant on Christianity, then conservatives should still have plenty of reasons to be conservative without their religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338647
48269814,48275918,2015-07-19 20:45:31,">>48275713
Religious beliefs directly influence individuals' political philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338731
48269814,48276057,2015-07-19 20:48:45,">>48275918
True, but I agree with this anon >>48275918",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437338925
48269814,48276118,2015-07-19 20:50:25,">>48275853
While this is true, I would have to argue that if we start demanding intellectual rigor in politics, pretty soon we won't have any politicians. The Left feeds on emotional response and unsubstantiated rhetoric just as much if not more then the Right does, so I see little reason to ban or suppress the Right when they say ""The ancients said this shit was good, so its probably good"" but not the Left, who literally believes humans are exempt from evolution, that causing permament rectal damage is a legitimate practice, and that removing someone's genitals is an effective cure for neurological dysphoria.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437339025
48269814,48276134,2015-07-19 20:50:59,">>48276057
Thanks for double agreeing with me, it makes me feel special.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437339059
48269814,48276372,2015-07-19 20:56:54,">>48276134
Lel, didn't even notice.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437339414
48269814,48276474,2015-07-19 20:59:31,">>48276118
Oh I wouldn't advocate for banning anyone, I guess it would have to start with demanding better education of critical thinking skills in the vast majority of people first, before we could even start getting more intelligent representitives. 
After all, people wouldn't elect these reps if they didn't want their dogma in politics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437339571
48269814,48276642,2015-07-19 21:04:31,">>48269814
Why are atheists always asking for evidence? Why do they have to continually have Christianity on trial?
If you think life is inherently meaning less then enjoy it and stop being pests.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437339871
48269814,48276840,2015-07-19 21:10:12,">>48276642
Why aren't you asking for evidence?
Life is meaningless unless you give it a meaning.
The pest would be you theists taking over the world and forcing everything unto little kids.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437340212
48269814,48276852,2015-07-19 21:10:30,">>48276642
I think it is because they are having trouble proving he DOESN'T exist so they'll instead try to pass it over to the ""other side"".
>I couldn't prove it so now you try to prove it to me and i'll just bounce back every argument you make and I look like the superior man as I'm only on the defending side of the argument whereas you are the one trying to prove something
 Which of course makes it all a lot easier, being on the defending side of the argument in which no one can ever prove with 100% that he is correct.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437340230
48269814,48276872,2015-07-19 21:11:00,">>48276642
Because some Christians keep asserting that their faith is true, even though by its very definition a belief based on faith has not been proven true. 
It is the obligation of any skeptical and intellectually honest person to ask that unfounded claims provide some substantial evidence of their truth. 
If you are so insecure you absolutely cannot stand your cherished beliefs being questioned and challenged, then don't assert them as absolute truth when skeptical people are around you. 
Also you're confusing Atheism with Nihilism, Atheism only addresses the existence of deities, not whether or not life has meaning. If you are reliant on an unproven deity to give your life meaning, perhaps you are the Nihilist, desperate for some reason to continue living.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437340260
48269814,48276940,2015-07-19 21:12:47,">>48269924
>>48269948
That sword needs to be a katana. It's more autistic, plus Christ chan already has a broadsword when she goes deus vult",,Anonymous,,,CR,,1437340367
48269814,48277011,2015-07-19 21:14:45,">>48276940
Draw it then",,Anonymous,487px-ScarletLetter.svg.png,7lk1SOCZu0laSF4AfkZH7Q==,US,,1437340485
48269814,48277219,2015-07-19 21:20:55,Our latest convert,,Anonymous,transform2.jpg,56ezX3gsVvUa1/g4Wmas+A==,US,,1437340855
48269814,48277244,2015-07-19 21:21:43,">>48277219
Oh gosh.",,Anonymous,1427688981566.png,wpLcIaoxW+ns9Jhvpyx7wQ==,US,,1437340903
48269814,48277256,2015-07-19 21:22:03,">>48277219
Shit that is so much better than the one I did above. We need to add Fedoras",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437340923
48269814,48277318,2015-07-19 21:23:50,">>48277256
Lel, unfortunately the extent of my drawing abilities is the OP image. I'm just using GIMP to change colors around",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341030
48269814,48277384,2015-07-19 21:25:37,">>48276840
>>48276872
You atheists are retarded. I didn't even claim to be a theist. You are not smart logical thinking rational people. Let this be a lesson for you. You are just like SJW who are prepetualy looking for something to trigger you so you can shout slogans and erect strawmen.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341137
48269814,48277397,2015-07-19 21:26:06,">>48277318
Same I just did color changes but for the white I just made a new layer of black then changed transparency to darken it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341166
48269814,48277463,2015-07-19 21:28:03,">>48277397
Ah, most of what I did was use the color selection tool then play with the HSV",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341283
48269814,48277611,2015-07-19 21:32:10,">>48277463
Yeah that would have worked, I just selected all the hair and made a black cover and then added a small outline to catch everything I missed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341530
48269814,48277648,2015-07-19 21:33:02,God changed the Berenstein Bears to Berenstain Bears to prove to you he is real and you faggots still doubt him,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437341582
48269814,48277724,2015-07-19 21:35:26,">>48276872
>Also you're confusing Atheism with Nihilism
Atheism is nihilism. Unless you want to explain what meaning there will be when the universe reaches heat death",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437341726
48269814,48277760,2015-07-19 21:36:19,">>48277219
kek
Actually stolen art with nothing but swapped colors
>art without spirituality/religion
It's funny how /pol/ is always right",,Anonymous,art-then-art-now.jpg,pv4LsaOaEeIVubE7e8AvPw==,SE,,1437341779
48269814,48277814,2015-07-19 21:37:39,">>48277384
You failed to bother clarifying your own position, so you haven't the right to call anyone stupid for taking one look at your comment, where you clearly make a distinction between yourself and the nebulous entity ""Atheists"", and then use inflammatory language like ""have Christianity on trial"", as well as comparing Atheism to Nihilism, two completely separate things, one being the rejection of a god claim, the other being a belief that life lacks any inherent meaning. 
Any person of any intellectual caliber from the lowest shitposter to a seasoned debater couldn't be faulted for thinking you're another theistically inclined person who's too uneducated to even understand the words they use when addressing an issue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341859
48269814,48277849,2015-07-19 21:38:41,">>48277724
Atheism doesn't address the meaning of life, it is the rejection of a theistic claim that there is a supreme being who created the universe in its entirety. 
You have the internet, go look up these definitions I promise it won't take more than a minute or two.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437341921
48269814,48277872,2015-07-19 21:39:28,">>48269814
You should rename this to Autism General tbh",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437341968
48269814,48277925,2015-07-19 21:41:01,">>48277724
You do know that ""the meaning of life"" isn't some actual ""problem"", right?",,Anonymous,Witt.jpg,X3cJDN+ts71WZRvoIXXLTQ==,US,,1437342061
48269814,48277927,2015-07-19 21:41:02,">>48277760
I'm sure the Artist who made that wouldn't mind.",,Anonymous,ss.png,3rlB6SPDjlHYJg1ZuT+0bA==,US,,1437342062
48269814,48277933,2015-07-19 21:41:12,">>48275631
Good question
There are two things you need to understand.
First religion is dying, this is irreversible, science killed God and with every new discovery his corpse starts to stink a little more. You do realize in 50 years we will have real virgin births right? Like test tube babies?
Second the religion that is surviving is getting MORE liberal. Liberalism is a natural fit for Christianity because Liberalism is an EVOLUTION of Christianity. See the chart. Link provides proof that future Christians will be liberal
http://spectator.org/articles/55171/future-belongs-religious-liberals
The atheists that feel spite or resentment towards their conservative parents will seek out Liberalism as a way of inverting, as further distancing them self from from 'the evil Christians'.
This is reactive atheism and like anything reactive it is unhealthy and a sign of weakness. Healthy atheism is active, it create's it's own values rather than inverting the values of those it hates. 
Examples of healthy, active atheism include the one's that see it as a way to push science forward. Another example is Nietzsche's atheism which seeks create the Overman.",,Anonymous,2.png,LRZQYD/C/hv5MxYcpH4Tlg==,US,,1437342072
48269814,48278108,2015-07-19 21:46:33,">>48277724
Going back to the idea that Christianity is evolved from Socrates.
The Christians beleive that the 'material world' is meaningless and empty. This is the first step, it is nihilism.
Than they provide a solution a higher world where true meaning comes from. Socrates called it the world of forms, Christians call it 'god' and heaven.
Only through this other world can meaning be found.
The Christians have denied that the 'material' (real) world can have any meaning what so ever.
You can have your 'meaning' with the distance, invisible, shapeless, genderless, other dimensional God.
And we will have our meaning set in the real 'material world'.
From my perspective you are a nihilist for needing an escapism and an imagined land for meaning. From you perspective I am a nihilist because you cannot possibly understand how the real world can have any value.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437342393
48269814,48278118,2015-07-19 21:46:53,">>48277933
>This is reactive atheism and like anything reactive it is unhealthy and a sign of weakness. Healthy atheism is active, it create's it's own values rather than inverting the values of those it hates.
>Examples of healthy, active atheism include the one's that see it as a way to push science forward. Another example is Nietzsche's atheism which seeks create the Overman.
This probably won't happen in our lifetime in the US. At least we get to be some of the first that start the trend going",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437342413
48269814,48278243,2015-07-19 21:50:02,"Peace be upon you all, brothers. I hope you find God before it's too late.",,Anonymous,captain america.jpg,VGwpxFoYU8zEtxEBUj+a8A==,US,,1437342602
48269814,48278319,2015-07-19 21:52:19,">>48278243
>I hope you find God before it's too late.
Timed hide-and-go-seek is total bullshit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437342739
48269814,48278573,2015-07-19 21:58:57,">>48278108
Dodged the question. What meaning will your existence have once the heat death of the universe occurs? Atheists believe that our existence was a cosmological quirk, a stroke of luck and that we're not here because of meaning but because of a long chain of cause and effect.
I'm not denying you can find personal meaning in your everyday life, but you also believe that if you go around murdering and then die your existence would have ultimately been no more important than anyone else and over a period of time your actions will have been completely forgotten about.
Saying 'I can find my own meaning' is intellectually dishonest. If you believe we live in a cold, rigid, mechanical universe in which our existence is not even equivalent to a single grain of sand on an almost endless beach then you need to follow your idea to it's logical conclusion which is the fact you exist has no more meaning than if you did not exist at all in the scheme of the universe. Saying you can avoid that reality while saying you live for other, also ephemeral things with no meaning is avoiding the reality of your own philosophy. You can't find meaning in things that will not exist after x period of time, you can merely distract yourself and while your life away and have experienced a vanishingly small point in the universes time of which nothing will be remembered or remain",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437343137
48269814,48278713,2015-07-19 22:03:10,">>48278573
>. What meaning will your existence have once the heat death of the universe occurs?
We won't exist at this point.
> if you go around murdering and then die your existence would have ultimately been no more important than anyone 
Only a psychopath would think that. Everyone else would recognize mass murder is wrong
>Saying 'I can find my own meaning' is intellectually dishonest.
>I'm not denying you can find personal meaning in your everyday life
lol
> our existence is not even equivalent to a single grain of sand on an almost endless beach
It's all about relative perspective.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437343390
48269814,48278803,2015-07-19 22:05:42,>>48278243,,Anonymous,687474703a2f2f696d6768756d6f75722e636f6d2f6173736574732f55706c6f6164732f486176652d796f752d666f756e642d4a657375732e6a7067.jpg,w+xcEgpPBEz6dPaM/ysAsw==,US,,1437343542
48269814,48278883,2015-07-19 22:07:39,">>48278573
You are just emphasizing the psychological impact that such a world view would have on you. This is not some actual ""problem"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437343659
48269814,48278966,2015-07-19 22:09:26,">>48278713
>We won't exist at this point.
So your life only has 'meaning' so far as you exist and can experience it? Guess what, that's Nihlism mate, you just proved my point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_nihilism",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437343766
48269814,48279025,2015-07-19 22:10:35,">>48278966
>existential nihilism
>nihilism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437343835
48269814,48279064,2015-07-19 22:11:30,">>48278573
You see our universe as cold and rigid and random. I do not.
The entire basis for the universe, it's 'meaning' can be summed up in Nietzche's concept of ""The will to power"". That all things seek out power as their driving force.
Molicules and elements came into existence by having atoms fight and unite togeather.
These formed rocks and gasses which waged gravitational battles until they formed planets.
My life is the result of a billions of years my lesser lives struggling, surviving, and triumphing.
All 'the will to power'. The future of humanity will also be our own 'will to power'.
As for the death of the universe. Nothing truly lasts forever, that includes death. The energy of the universe will eventually reshape itself and find a new way to make life.
In other words after we game over the game starts all over again. Again and again forever. 
There's even cosmology theory for this called 'the big crunch' which tells us that the universe will have an infinite cycle of deaths and rebirths.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437343890
48269814,48279068,2015-07-19 22:11:39,">>48278803
I think he is hiding under the sofa",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437343899
48269814,48279070,2015-07-19 22:11:40,">>48278966
The universe finds meaning in me. Me, my friends, and my family are all part of this universe and they find meaning in me and life in general.
Meaning is something humans find, a rock can't find meaning in itself. But a human can find meaning in a rock.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437343900
48269814,48279397,2015-07-19 22:20:21,">>48269814
Western and European government has been secular(and continuously becoming more domestically secular)since the 1700s after they got tired of kicking the shit out of each other over theological differences. Nietzsche nightmare came true, a generation unbound by slave morality, and their primary concerns are people who practice sodomy, cut of each other's sexual organs, pursuit of mindless hedonism and believe self genocide is a good idea.
Secular produced übermensch are both a failure as a human being and a failure as a animal.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437344421
48269814,48279494,2015-07-19 22:23:15,">>48279397
You realize that living in your country is very similar to living in Europe, and these are places with some of the highest standards of living in the world? In fact, I think there is a strong negative correlation between religiosity and standard of living/development/etc",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437344595
48269814,48279687,2015-07-19 22:28:02,">>48279070
See this is the problem with rationality, you can't just ignore the logical conclusion of your philosophy by saying 'muh feelings'. You always dodge and avoid by saying ""W-well I care for my friends and family"", yeah but they'll be dead too, and so will everyone who knew them. You're basically a hedonist, living purely for pleasure (and yes that also includes the pleasure of other peoples company including your family).
I'd have a lot more respect for your if you could just own it and say 'Yeah the universe has no meaning and I'm here because of pure luck but I might as well enjoy myself while I'm here!' instead of wishy washy pseudo spiritual 'But I CARE about people!' bullshit like caring about someone has any more inherent meaning than not caring about someone according to pure rationalism",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437344882
48269814,48279797,2015-07-19 22:30:50,">>48279687
>'Yeah the universe has no meaning and I'm here because of pure luck but I might as well enjoy myself while I'm here!'
That essentially what he said.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437345050
48269814,48279803,2015-07-19 22:30:58,">>48279687
>yeah but they'll be dead too, and so will everyone who knew them
I don't see how that's relevant. 
>You're basically a hedonist, living purely for pleasure
That came out of nowhere.
Do you know the difference between ""meaning"" and ""pleasure""? I'm starting to suspect you don't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437345058
48269814,48279904,2015-07-19 22:33:51,">>48279494
I'll concede that places of high religious diversity are indeed usually shitholes, like India for example. That being said, the Arabic world up till the 1970s was just as equally developed as us here in the West, while still retaining their religious mindness(until Soviets and ""Democracy"" stuck their nose where it doesn't belong) that said some places still have a pretty developed standard of living, while being surrounded by shit storms.
But ultimately I don't care if my grandkids have to hike through a sunspot/nuclear created century long winter to survive, point is they exist have will have each other and their community.
I'd rather be a caveman savage with a future, then a god with every luxury at my finger tips, but with only a legacy of dust.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437345231
48269814,48280209,2015-07-19 22:42:24,">>48279803
>I don't see how that's relevant.
Because you're basing your meaning in life on things that have no meaning. It's contradictory.
>That came out of nowhere.
Not really. The 'meaning' you're talking about is existing for pleasure. Not just the obvious ones like drugs, videogames and sex, but the pleasure of peoples company as well. You choose to continue existing because you can't feel pleasure when you don't exist.
>Do you know the difference between ""meaning"" and ""pleasure""
Yes. Your meaning in life is pleasure, you exist purely to seek it out. The validation you get from friends and family is as much a part of that as any other pleasure seeking pursuit.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437345744
48269814,48280370,2015-07-19 22:46:51,">>48280209
>things that have no meaning
[citation needed]
Meaning, that is, what a person values is subjective. God is a thing. He's just dressed up in a bunch of metaphysical mumbo jumbo and has omniscience so that meaning from him is ""objective"". You are claiming meaning can only arise from the divine, but this is an aspect of theological thought and is thus irreconcilable with secular thought.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346011
48269814,48280375,2015-07-19 22:46:55,">>48279687
So let me ask you something.
You have already said that friends, family, country, advancing the arts, advancing science.
All of that is meaningless. You said it yourself. 
Why should we care about you? You clearly despise the human race as you called all of it's pillars meaningless. How is it that you are not an enemy of Man by condemning not just my particular culture and family but all families and all cultures ever. How is your God 'better' than this empty meaningless thing called humanity. And how is your God not an ENEMY of mankind if he is the one who told you that human beings and all their family and culture is meaningless?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346015
48269814,48280432,2015-07-19 22:48:22,">>48280209
Things have meaning to me if I give them meaning. If I am a hedonist then I will derive that meaning from pleasure. If I am Kantian, then I will derive it from the categorical imperative. If I am a feminist, I will derive it from the patriarchy. If I am a /pol/ack, I will derive it from the jews.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346102
48269814,48280592,2015-07-19 22:52:54,">>48280432
>>48280209
See all the things I can choose when I don't box myself into Christianity?",,Anonymous,values.png,vp+ss8HFYZqOCdlYIbJpDg==,US,,1437346374
48269814,48280743,2015-07-19 22:57:01,">>48280592
>Feminism and multiculturalism
>Related at all what so ever to various Eudaemonism, Christianity, Buddhism, Utilitarianism, etc
Oh come the fuck on.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346621
48269814,48280767,2015-07-19 22:57:37,">>48280370
>[citation needed]
Well you just said, you believe everyone finds their own meaning. Does a person have meaning simply by existing? Is it meaningful that you are alive and exist instead of not existing? If you think people 'find meaning' in their lives then you think that existence is not meaninful in and of itself, therefore the existence of the people around you is not meaningful. Thus if you rest the meaning of your life on them, you are resting the meaning of your life on things which have no inherent meaning. That is meaning is something that is discerned through a cognitive process and not an inherent property of a person or object.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437346657
48269814,48280776,2015-07-19 22:57:52,">>48280743
I'm guessing you've never taken a philosophy class?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346672
48269814,48280831,2015-07-19 22:59:23,">>48280370
You can't have a ultimate ""subjective"" meaning and claim atheism to follow the rules of logic or reason while religion does not, otherwise ""your"" meaning, and another ""Athiests"" meaning must arrive to the same conclusion lest you both derive your meaning from preferences or feelings rather then the set of conclusions in reason, in which case a religious persons base of reason would be just as irrational as your own. You can't accept a subjective truth, hate religion AND claim to be a follower of rhyme and reason, the statements are contradictory.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437346763
48269814,48280843,2015-07-19 22:59:37,">>48280767
That's a keyboard, not a toilet",,Anonymous,vomit.gif,Vg6cA2n6MglT0Gfp9x+SEg==,US,,1437346777
48269814,48280862,2015-07-19 23:00:19,">>48280767
Yes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346819
48269814,48280914,2015-07-19 23:01:53,">>48280831
Saying Kant and Mill are irrational and motivated by feelings just because they disagree shows how much of an idiot you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346913
48269814,48280926,2015-07-19 23:02:09,">>48280831
>subjective truth
You just switched terms on me. I said subjective meaning, not subjective truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437346929
48269814,48281065,2015-07-19 23:06:19,">>48280375
>Why should we care about you? You clearly despise the human race as you called all of it's pillars meaningless. How is it that you are not an enemy of Man by condemning not just my particular culture and family but all families and all cultures ever. How is your God 'better' than this empty meaningless thing called humanity. And how is your God not an ENEMY of mankind if he is the one who told you that human beings and all their family and culture is meaningless?
This is a good question, and I'm not sure I can give a good answer. I've been arguing looking through the prism of atheist logic where we live in a purely mechanistic universe. You're certainly right that it is an unpleasant and repulsive way of thinking though, but it is the logical conclusion to all atheist assertions that we're here purely on cosmic chance.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437347179
48269814,48281142,2015-07-19 23:08:27,">>48280926
So ones meaning(purpose, will, action) can be motivated by what one consciously considers lies? How could anyone take anything such a person would say or do without suspicion or ever argue in good faith with such a creature? I extend the benefit of the doubt that when people talk about their meaning, they talk from a place of self integrity.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437347307
48269814,48281205,2015-07-19 23:10:10,">>48281065
>but it is the logical conclusion to all atheist assertions that we're here purely on cosmic chance.
I don't see the problem with this. Don't theists think god exists by some random chance? Or that he chose to create us by some random chance of his will? He could have chose other things. Or he could have just not existed at all (which is what I believe). There's no law of the supernatural that says gods have to exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437347410
48269814,48281254,2015-07-19 23:11:33,">>48281142
Something subjective isn't a lie. It's a thought you attach to something. We can both agree there's a painting on a wall. I think the painting is bad and you think it's good. Who's lying?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437347493
48269814,48281359,2015-07-19 23:14:11,">>48270821
You make the claim, you provide the evidence. A book written in dead languages and translated a hundred times by people with their own interests in mind doesn't count as proof, either.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437347651
48269814,48281742,2015-07-19 23:25:25,the laws that prohibit atheists from holding office in some states would actually work if someone did hold them right it would be treated as one of those silly old laws like no spitting on the sidewalk,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437348325
48269814,48281758,2015-07-19 23:25:48,">>48281742
er wouldn't actually work",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437348348
48269814,48281813,2015-07-19 23:26:49,">>48281254
You cannot be subjective and logical. You can be subjective and rational, but ultimately it comes down to taste.
I think the bright vibrant red really brings out the black streaks. Correct.
You think the artists over exagrated strokes are him trying to be a try hard. Correct.
But neither of these statements are based on logic, they are our rational for why we like or dislike the painting on our own particular taste. Taste is not truth.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437348409
48269814,48281840,2015-07-19 23:27:55,"Catholic gen here
>>48281050",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437348475
48269814,48281915,2015-07-19 23:30:34,">>48281840
Why would you post that here?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437348634
48269814,48281935,2015-07-19 23:31:06,">>48281065
>unpleasant and repulsive way of thinking
From my perspectives and many others having no God is uplifting and wonderful. An angry Jewish tyrant and his passive aggressive son being the supreme decision maker in all things sounds terrible.
>here purely on cosmic chance
There is no chance. Life is a game and the game has rules. Random chance is what people thought the universe was like in the distant past (ie they assumed flies just came into existence from nothing). We no know there are rules to everything even right down to our DNA with the strongest DNA being past on and the fastest sperm winning.
You are the one who seems to think this world is empty, negative, and the only solution would be if there were 'another world'. That's your problem.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437348666
48269814,48281944,2015-07-19 23:31:20,">>48281915
Why wouldn't I?",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437348680
48269814,48281967,2015-07-19 23:31:56,">>48281915
Perhaps some people here also have questions about Christianity/Catholocism since a good portion of us are Ameriguns and Christians/Christianity is often the group of theistic people we have to deal with.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437348716
48269814,48281983,2015-07-19 23:32:09,">>48281840
I see we have a spy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437348729
48269814,48282029,2015-07-19 23:33:16,">>48281935
>There is no chance. Life is a game and the game has rules
So you believe in a deterministic universe? That's equally repulsive",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437348796
48269814,48282050,2015-07-19 23:33:28,">>48281983
What, don't be absurd.",,WOLFSHIEM,Christ-Chan realizes the heretics just keep posting anyway.png,MNiKLudjgcHapNBqWh6uEg==,US,,1437348808
48269814,48282165,2015-07-19 23:37:17,">>48281915
It's only fair, they raid us, we crusade them, the cycle continues.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437349037
48269814,48282226,2015-07-19 23:38:44,">>48282029
Again if you find the fact there is a rule set to the universe (it's called science) repulsive that is your problem.
What you are talking about are problems that are only relevant to you. It's whining.
If you want an atheistic perspective on finding meaning in a Godless universe read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or one of the many other things discussed here.
If that's no good go to the Catholics, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or whatever. Hell you can do fucking drugs (lots of losers think that they find meaning in trips). It's your fucking life, live it how you want.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437349124
48269814,48282281,2015-07-19 23:40:12,">>48269814
you all get another 10 minuets in the ball pit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437349212
48269814,48282291,2015-07-19 23:40:38,">>48282226
A deterministic universe means there is no free will and that you're a slave to cause and effect",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437349238
48269814,48282477,2015-07-19 23:47:12,>>48282050,,Anonymous,notchrist.png,L834XNgJb6Y3Exn/mdM/kQ==,US,,1437349632
48269814,48282498,2015-07-19 23:47:48,">>48282291
Of course there is free will. Because (sit down for this one!)
Your brain IS YOU.
All those electrical, chemical signals, all these instincts, impulses. That is literally you.
In other words you don't say ""because you are controlled by impulses you have no free will"". It's like saying ""because you are controlled by yourself you have no free will""
There's your free fucking will.
""But what about crazy scientists with brain caps that control the electrical impulses in my brain!""
Still free will except it's just the scientists will dominating you via a brain cap.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437349668
48269814,48282512,2015-07-19 23:48:18,">>48282477
FUCK FORGOT THE HAIR/ then someone else needs to add the fedora",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437349698
48269814,48282528,2015-07-19 23:48:41,">>48282477
Protip: Upside down cross is not a satanic symbol to Christianity but a symbol of St. Peter.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437349721
48269814,48282570,2015-07-19 23:50:05,"abortion and contraception likethe day after pill.
We have ridiculous poverty rtes and they breed like rats. they refuse to use contraception because its unchristian. fucking idiots.",,Anonymous,,,CR,,1437349805
48269814,48282687,2015-07-19 23:53:05,">>48282498
Those electrical chemical signals are still determined by the laws of physics. Basically if you had a computer that could simulate the function of neurons using the physical laws that govern them then you could predict what a person was thinking by taking a snapshot of their brainstate and simulating it.
i.e if you think nothing is random in the universe then your actions have already been predetermined because we can use laws of physics and chemistry to predict the motion and reaction of every chemical in your body",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437349985
48269814,48282706,2015-07-19 23:53:43,">>48282477
fixed hair",,Anonymous,notchrist.png,AZSy9f535wWAV3YRlmb0FQ==,US,,1437350023
48269814,48282757,2015-07-19 23:55:10,">>48282528
yes, and?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350110
48269814,48282785,2015-07-19 23:56:07,">>48282687
If you built a computer that simulated an exact replica of the universe and it printed out a message saying exactly what I would do and when I would purposely do the opposite just for the lulz.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350167
48269814,48282801,2015-07-19 23:56:52,">>48282706
Adorable :3
Maybe replace cross with something though. Like ""Nietzsche"" in white letters.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350212
48269814,48282802,2015-07-19 23:56:58,">>48282757
It doesn't match the opposite-christ-chan theme, obviously.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437350218
48269814,48282806,2015-07-19 23:57:01,">tfw I am an agnostic(meaning just don't give a shit but I think there is most likely not a god)
>I see people post shit about got or talk about it irl
>i am like well nice job faggot
>but I keep it to myself
>I get as pissed off when I see atheist pushing their shit as much as the fucktards who push the bible
>I hate most other atheist/agnostics
is this normal?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350221
48269814,48282835,2015-07-19 23:58:05,">>48282801
I can try but I'm no artist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350285
48269814,48282919,2015-07-20 00:00:53,">>48282806
Congrats, you're a special snowflake.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350453
48269814,48282966,2015-07-20 00:02:12,">>48282785
It would account for that and generate an error trying to predict what you'd do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350532
48269814,48283045,2015-07-20 00:04:17,">>48282801
alright hope this works",,Anonymous,NIET.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1437350657
48269814,48283052,2015-07-20 00:04:29,">>48282835
How is this?",,Anonymous,transform3.png,Cu8r73CICg6lGqYg18BVnA==,US,,1437350669
48269814,48283059,2015-07-20 00:04:33,">>48282801
><
That is really fucking cringe worthy.
I like cute girls as much as the next anime watching, atheist. But what's the point of this, why do we have a rip-off mascot and not our own little girl. Parody? Lack of artists?",,Anonymous,my994u.jpg,wa/GcscX8O8QymZnGoh7KQ==,US,,1437350673
48269814,48283067,2015-07-20 00:04:43,">>48282835
really? I would hope I would be more in common with the majority of the unbelievers since it would be annoying if the rest of people like me were dick shited athiest. I just want to be left alone and I leave other people alone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350683
48269814,48283081,2015-07-20 00:05:07,">>48283045
I like yours better, saved",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350707
48269814,48283093,2015-07-20 00:06:18,">>48283059
We do have our only little girl. She is fedora-chan:
See >>48269924 and >>48269948
It's just we don't have many drawings of her yet. So in the meantime we are converting Christ-chan to atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350778
48269814,48283177,2015-07-20 00:08:26,">>48282966
God (or in this case God-computers) ability to predict what I would do depends on my knowledge. If I know it's prediction God-computer will always be wrong because I will do the opposite. If I do no have knowledge God-Computer will always be right.
Knowledge is a form of power and power is necessary for the dominance of your will, for your 'free will' to have it's power.
With enough power you can completly control another being, despite it's 'free will'.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350906
48269814,48283212,2015-07-20 00:09:29,">>48283052
Maybe angle it so it looks like it is on the book",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437350969
48269814,48283250,2015-07-20 00:10:31,">>48283212
Eh, I can't get it to not look ugly and pixelated. Yours is perfect",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351031
48269814,48283274,2015-07-20 00:11:01,">>48281065
>This is a good question, and I'm not sure I can give a good answer. I've been arguing looking through the prism of atheist logic where we live in a purely mechanistic universe. You're certainly right that it is an unpleasant and repulsive way of thinking though, but it is the logical conclusion to all atheist assertions that we're here purely on cosmic chance.
You know that this kind of reasoning is pure hybris. A mechanistic universe is what atheists desire. Do you know why? Because such a universe is easily controlled. Knowledge is power and the atheist ideology is the crystalization of this notion. If there is no higher power and if the world can be completly understood, then it can be reigned by those who understand it. That's a fine logic that puts you a the top of the ladder, isn't it? This is why I find atheism so repulsive.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437351061
48269814,48283313,2015-07-20 00:12:23,">>48283274
>the atheist ideology",,Anonymous,franco.jpg,LCcKHPVvlCPMNrO2tjtLtg==,US,,1437351143
48269814,48283343,2015-07-20 00:13:30,">>48282806
It's pretty normal.
There are two reasons why atheists push their non-religion.
The first is that they are indeed bitter and resentful at Christians and lash out against them. Being disgusted at this is natural, laughing at the criny worthy IRL fedoras.
The second reason atheists do it is they are idealistic. They think that the world will genuinely improve with less religion. 
""Atheism=rational, rational beings lead to goodness. Superstition leads to unnecessary pain and bad ideas."" This is their pathos.
Than there are people who do not really want to push the non-religion but simply want to discuss it.
These are the 3 types of atheists in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351210
48269814,48283398,2015-07-20 00:15:03,">>48282806
You're an apatheist. Just hide the thread and move on.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351303
48269814,48283405,2015-07-20 00:15:12,">>48283343
I hope as the years go by number 1 has a sharp decline",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351312
48269814,48283507,2015-07-20 00:18:43,">meanwhile, in the Catholic thread
I thought we were supposed to be the ones with autism?",,Anonymous,catholic_general.png,ex8FNjNpt+sz6XqjIow5CQ==,US,,1437351523
48269814,48283519,2015-07-20 00:19:02,">>48283405
The reactionaries generally do, they get all worked up for a while before growing tired of whatever cause they take up, and look for something else to do. 
Some of the angry bitter atheists will relapse back to religion, because they never lost the mindset that was instilled in them in the first place, others will become less strident and more learned, yet others will just become soft moderates.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351542
48269814,48283581,2015-07-20 00:20:42,">>48283507
why are you even in that thread in the first place?
>>48283519
Well hopefully the decline starts soon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351642
48269814,48283587,2015-07-20 00:20:50,">>48283313
>people are a white sheet of paper
Even if that were true, atheism certainly is not on that white page.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1437351650
48269814,48283638,2015-07-20 00:22:32,">>48283581
>why are you even in that thread in the first place?
Because I'm interested in more than my echo-chamber",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351752
48269814,48283669,2015-07-20 00:23:21,">>48283638
well no what I mean is posting stuff like that picture in here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351801
48269814,48283698,2015-07-20 00:24:13,">>48283669
I found it hilarious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437351853
48269814,48283862,2015-07-20 00:29:32,">>48283519
There's a whole host of villains for them to react to: whites, Christians, straights, nationalism, the Jews, the elite, the rich, the media, literally anything with power. Power=evil is pure slave morality.
To be honest I feel like atheism is better off than it was years ago, the pro-active science push a healthy step.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437352172
48269814,48284217,2015-07-20 00:40:46,">>48283862
Science, fuck yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzS39oghcnY",,Anonymous,pennies_from_space.jpg,cj20RsIokZLHeUGC/1LGfA==,US,,1437352846
48269814,48284739,2015-07-20 00:58:09,"Arguing with atheist is like arguing with femanon. All of it is nonsense, they fail to use their brain instead they prefer to use their feeling about how they got tricked by their parents till they found internet. No one give a shit about god here. GTFO and stop being pests.",,Anonymous,,,ID,,1437353889
48269814,48284787,2015-07-20 00:59:54,">>48284739
Arguing with theist is like arguing with femanon. All of it is nonsense, they fail to use their brain instead they prefer to use their feeling about how they got tricked by the Devil till they found Jesus. No one give a shit about the material world here. GTFO and stop being pests.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437353994
48269814,48284928,2015-07-20 01:04:47,">>48284739
Instead of telling us how an argument will go, why don't you start an argument and find out for yourself?",,Anonymous,transform2.jpg,r6VDSgef+jCwL1nriDm0tw==,US,,1437354287
48269814,48284929,2015-07-20 01:04:59,">>48283343
personally, I think that humans are predisposed to religion or at least spirituality. Its an important coping mechanism and an easy explanation for things they cant explain. It also gives a sense of social identity which people desperately desire. 
none of this is necessarily good, Its just how the average human brain is set up. humans are not purely rational creatures.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437354299
48269814,48285058,2015-07-20 01:09:10,">>48284929
Yeah, because religious people have such easy lives that aren't ridden with guilt, fear, helplessness, and confusion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437354550
48269814,48285232,2015-07-20 01:15:15,">>48285058
we'll they often are, but consider that chimps have been documented performing rituals for the dead. thinking our loved ones are in some sort of paradise, or that we will meet them again in another lifetime is extremely comforting to most people. Its easy to observe people who derive great pleasure from their religon, if only the lowest kind. a smug since of superiority and a sense of belonging are the most common, and a hand full manage to use it as a tool to discipline themselves and achieve self control and a sense of peace. granted those people are rare.
a predisposition to something is not necessarily logical. They're still wrong, but its just how they are set up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437354915
48269814,48285299,2015-07-20 01:17:40,">>48285232
I'll still do a funeral ritual, because I think it is important to say goodbye. But I'm pretty sure I'm more comfortable with knowing they are just gone now, and only their legacy will live on. The alternative is constantly wondering whether or not they are in eternal paradise or eternal torture.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437355060
48269814,48285418,2015-07-20 01:22:24,">>48283177
Free will is a meaningless concept. It implies that, given the exact same circumstances of a choice, you could and may have chosen differently. This removes your agency just as much as total determinism, since now your actions are decoupled from your history and therefore random. Your actions are either random or predetermined; ""personal agency"" doesn't factor in anywhere.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437355344
48269814,48285432,2015-07-20 01:22:59,">>48285299
I get where your coming from but I think people like you and me are the exception. Most people will just do the mental gymnastics to put those they love in heaven. (in contrast to what their texts actually suggest) 
Nor are all religions set up on the heaven hell thing. Buddhism doesn't even believe in the immortality of the soul.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437355379
48269814,48285507,2015-07-20 01:25:30,">>48285418
Yeah, I think free will is pretty incompatible with monism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437355530
48269814,48285515,2015-07-20 01:25:58,">>48284928
How about we are all part of nature. We are the descendant of great apes. We shared 97% our DNA with orangutan. We are not special creature, we are part of nature.",,Anonymous,,,ID,,1437355558
48269814,48285554,2015-07-20 01:27:24,">>48285515
I don't think many atheists would disagree with that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437355644
48269814,48285557,2015-07-20 01:27:30,">>48285515
Sounds good to me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437355650
48269814,48285684,2015-07-20 01:33:03,">>48284929
>>48285299
Humans need to mystify the world around them because it makes it far more interesting.
Let's take the sun for instance. Strictly speaking it's a giant ball of gas that spins in a circle. Boring. To the ancients it was pulled across the sky by the God Apollo. Very exciting, very magical, completely untrue. Now an idealistic person might say it is ""the source of life"" or ""an amazing red hot giant"". These are also exciting and magical but also true.
In other words yes humans need spiritualism, but it need not be connected to religion. Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra is a spiritual book. The messages are told through parables about fighting golden dragons.
In the past religion was a great tool because people would truly believe it. If the Pope said that God wanted an enemy dead and the crusaders would be rewarded with paradise he could raise an army. Thus spiritualism became stronger by allying itself with religion.
He can't say that now, no one would believe him, they don't even believe him when he says the Church does not protect pedos. Religion has lost it's power and so it cannot deliver spiritualism. There are people who will tell you that they were more moved by a Japanese cartoon than by any religion, that speaks volumes about the weakness of religion's ability to deliver spiritual meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437355983
48269814,48285776,2015-07-20 01:36:10,">>48285515
You don' think being the smartest animal on the planet is neat? Even a mentally retarded human is smarter than the smartest ape.
And why isn't nature special? Nature is pretty awesome.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437356170
48269814,48285793,2015-07-20 01:36:36,">>48285684
>Let's take the sun for instance. Strictly speaking it's a giant ball of gas that spins in a circle. Boring.
see >>48284217",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437356196
48269814,48285945,2015-07-20 01:42:16,">>48285793
and the next thing I said agrees with you.
>To the ancients it was pulled across the sky by the God Apollo. Very exciting, very magical, completely untrue. Now an idealistic person might say it is ""the source of life"" or ""an amazing red hot giant"". These are also exciting and magical but also true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437356536
48269814,48286027,2015-07-20 01:46:04,">>48285945
I guess I was thrown off by ""idealistic person"". It makes it sound like people like that can't actually exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437356764
48269814,48286471,2015-07-20 02:03:28,">>48285515
This made me kek out loud",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437357808
48269814,48286527,2015-07-20 02:06:04,">>48273956
From good times to hell on earth and full degeneration.",,Anonymous,1435166332839.jpg,ybcRZEqo4mywRtPbrMZFKQ==,MX,,1437357964
48269814,48286556,2015-07-20 02:07:24,">>48269814
>Atheist leftists
Into the trash they go. The shallow translucent rind of you who are not leftists are so irrelevant as to not bear consideration.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437358044
48269814,48286572,2015-07-20 02:08:19,">>48286556
The leftists are reactionaries, they will die out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437358099
48269814,48286585,2015-07-20 02:09:06,">>48286527
At least Mexico is still a Catholic paradise (where you can totally keep your head on your shoulders)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437358146
48269814,48286634,2015-07-20 02:11:08,">>48285776
If you learn biology and geology, and see the time perspective, human existence is just blink of eyes. Tens or hundreds thousand years is nothing for mother earth. We are the cancer for this earth. I wish there will be mass extinction, so this nature will be balance again. And also we evolved brain instead of muscle and size.",,Anonymous,,,ID,,1437358268
48269814,48286682,2015-07-20 02:13:26,">>48286634
Humanity shapes the destiny of the earth. It doesn't have to be a cancer.
And I know you aren't serious about your mass extinction claims. Otherwise you would have murdered people or killed yourself by now",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437358406
48269814,48287581,2015-07-20 02:55:22,">>48286634
Do you still think this? >>48284739",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437360922
48269814,48287770,2015-07-20 03:03:51,>>48269814,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437361431
48269814,48288460,2015-07-20 03:32:31,Is this accurate?,,Anonymous,dzhWX.png,U821JiBYuosNrc1adeNdVQ==,US,,1437363151
48269814,48288540,2015-07-20 03:35:53,">>48269814
>theists start making threads
>libertarians/euphedoras get threatened
>reddit gets shut down
>literally all of r/atheism shitposts the thread for a week
lel, I'm atheist and I think you guys holding a thread here is a joke, just like the theists holding theirs",,Anonymous,1435995625071.jpg,JwQhusCJyM3xZjp5iJzcWQ==,US,,1437363353
48269814,48288551,2015-07-20 03:36:39,">>48288460
I think most of it is.
Catholics integrated a ton of rituals from rival religions. It made the conversation from their old Pagan religion to Christianity a lot easier.
A lot of the emphasis on Mary worship or Saint worship has the same idea. If your were a pagan that worshipped a goddess you could worship mary. If you liked a sea god there would be a saint with domain over the waters.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437363399
48269814,48288588,2015-07-20 03:37:56,">>48288540
>libertarians/euphedoras get threatened
How do you threaten someone over the internet?
Are the theists going to get MLP cancelled or assassinate Dawkins?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437363476
48269814,48288623,2015-07-20 03:39:40,">>48288460
Yes.",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1437363580
48269814,48288669,2015-07-20 03:41:25,"We don't need some faggy general like the ""Christians"" on /pol/.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1437363685
48269814,48288699,2015-07-20 03:43:09,">there are people that genuinely believe in God and creationism in 2015
Using religion to convince yourself you'll be judged in an afterlife is one thing, but.. come on..",,Anonymous,1365120369598.jpg,4pMmiAmzePjYC3cvz1cf9A==,US,,1437363789
48269814,48288749,2015-07-20 03:44:44,">>48288699
The devil put them fossils to test faith",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437363884
48269814,48289181,2015-07-20 04:02:32,">>48279064
Your life is the result of your parents having unprotected sex. 
>muh special snowflake the universe is my oyster 
GD.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437364952
48327444,48327444,2015-07-20 21:41:13,"Feel free to ask questions. Discuss atheism, agnosticism, and secular living. 
To artists: New sketches and images of Fedora-chan are very adorable and appreciated, you should totally draw her! 
Today's thread question: How did your loved ones react when they found out you didn't believe?",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437365057798.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1437428473
48327444,48327506,2015-07-20 21:42:52,Goofball General,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437428572
48327444,48327638,2015-07-20 21:45:20,I'm back and I've got you nice chart explaining the relationship between Socrates and Jesus,,Anonymous,Untitled.png,ercI3gc2K6H8vpRXAsFL3w==,US,,1437428720
48327444,48327684,2015-07-20 21:46:24,If you know Plato's allegory of the cave this image is also neat.,,Anonymous,Christianity and the Cave allegory.jpg,L1M+6Piy5rmnYS+Qhy8Y0Q==,US,,1437428784
48327444,48327709,2015-07-20 21:47:18,">>48327684
Shit. Wrong image",,Anonymous,cave_myth.jpg,PmcmsBly1NM8PHlMdxOgGQ==,US,,1437428838
48327444,48327764,2015-07-20 21:48:44,">>48327638
>defeat of the Greeks by Spartans
I uh... what?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437428924
48327444,48327765,2015-07-20 21:48:47,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG0xARoDlZw
DEGENERATES. REPENT AND BE SAVED OR FACE THE ETERNAL FIRE.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437428927
48327444,48327835,2015-07-20 21:50:27,>>48327444,,Anonymous,1437275473953.png,zUZrO8C28IU4pYwedidM3g==,US,,1437429027
48327444,48327906,2015-07-20 21:52:04,">>48327638
your chart unfairly conflates Socrates with what Plato wrote about him.
while Christians drew on the Platonic tradition its unfair to conflate the two.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429124
48327444,48327931,2015-07-20 21:52:35,"what kind of an autistic faggot tumblr fanfic fanart faggot makes these atheist comics with your little atheist character with red eyes and like some little microsoft paperclip in the bottom corners of images damn y ou a fucking autistic ass stupid faggot i would hate to see how you look in real life, very ugly and smell bad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429155
48327444,48327946,2015-07-20 21:53:07,,,Anonymous,christian republicans.jpg,J9fVp8HUD2XJpUkMoCMS9w==,US,,1437429187
48327444,48328011,2015-07-20 21:54:53,">>48327931
Thats a lot of buzz words you got there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429293
48327444,48328049,2015-07-20 21:55:45,"Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,transform2.jpg,tNgAdcJ+v9sAjxF2820ndA==,US,,1437429345
48327444,48328082,2015-07-20 21:56:36,">>48328049
You are so fucking jealous of Christianity its hilarious. Just join us faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429396
48327444,48328152,2015-07-20 21:58:30,">>48328082
>You are so fucking jealous of Homosexuality its hilarious. Just join us Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429510
48327444,48328154,2015-07-20 21:58:31,">>48328049
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437429511
48327444,48328167,2015-07-20 21:58:44,">>48327444
>Today's thread question
Mom didn't care she is deist, dad in denial",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429524
48327444,48328213,2015-07-20 21:59:53,">>48327906
What specifically is unfair?
It is almost impossible to seperate Plato from Socrates. Socrates never wrote anything down and may very well have been an invention of Plato.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429593
48327444,48328283,2015-07-20 22:01:33,,,Anonymous,beta.jpg,aQXvHCUOlGgp9d+BoA1hKA==,US,,1437429693
48327444,48328314,2015-07-20 22:02:24,>>48327444,,Anonymous,god man.jpg,YhARsJnWI8VB29P4nU3nHQ==,US,,1437429744
48327444,48328367,2015-07-20 22:03:42,">>48328283
please delete, we don't want to go down to their level. This does nothing but create shit posting. 
Don't belittle them for having faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429822
48327444,48328418,2015-07-20 22:04:41,">>48327444
My family's religion is sort of falling apart. Used to be hardcore Protestants. I was the first to walk away. All the woman are New Agers. All the men except my dad are very lapsed in their belief. Dad believes in the Satanic Gnostic Satanic New World Order Agenda. Thinks New Age is a conspiracy by the devil.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429881
48327444,48328464,2015-07-20 22:05:24,">>48328367
>no fun allowed",,Anonymous,science.gif,OGoZBP1aJZoxdcTm2dFcSw==,US,,1437429924
48327444,48328519,2015-07-20 22:06:24,">>48327444
>nietzsche
It's like the fundamentalist beliefs of a theist, but for atheists. Stop that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437429984
48327444,48328550,2015-07-20 22:07:15,">>48328519
I don't think you understand Nietzsche.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430035
48327444,48328569,2015-07-20 22:07:32,">>48328154
>>48328154
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437430052
48327444,48328606,2015-07-20 22:08:13,">>48327709
Only fedora-chan could find a way to interpret leaving the cave as a bad thing.",,Anonymous,1436977565207.png,Br6fTK3eRurWcVaAzZKLuw==,US,,1437430093
48327444,48328614,2015-07-20 22:08:24,">>48328213
are you aware that other people knew Socrates and wrote about him? 
Its possible through historical investigation to find many points where Socrates probably disagreed with Plato.
It is also believed Socrates did write some things down of a religious nature (a hymn to Apollo I believe) but they are lost to history. 
in any case those ideas you site are property attributed to Plato by modern Scholars rather than Socrates.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430104
48327444,48328638,2015-07-20 22:09:07,">>48327946
>Goldwater",,Anonymous,The Christ.png,YETkEiZtYCikR/JwwaEPig==,US,,1437430147
48327444,48328664,2015-07-20 22:09:46,">>48328569
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437430186
48327444,48328709,2015-07-20 22:10:49,">>48328638
Yeah, its sucks he was never president doesn't it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430249
48327444,48328743,2015-07-20 22:11:39,">>48328709
Oy vey.",,Anonymous,&gt;Atheists.jpg,LG/JKgwaCHrI/m+LXUAwbA==,US,,1437430299
48327444,48328802,2015-07-20 22:13:13,"All these atheist drawings depict them eating Doritos and drinking mountain dew.
Seems like they're enjoying life to me. Embracing the pleasures this world has to offer us now, rather than worrying and planning for an afterlife they can't even prove.",,Anonymous,d74f88c7-e6a6-42cf-a017-c32c986a7d9d_thumb.jpg,hr7iiOnjdWD7STZIREN1Uw==,US,,1437430393
48327444,48328858,2015-07-20 22:14:37,">>48328614
I never implied that Socrates never doubted the Greek pantheon.
Is there anything specific in the chart you thing I should change?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430477
48327444,48328862,2015-07-20 22:14:43,">>48328802
Indeed good sir! Such is the life of an enlightened individual!",,Anonymous,1437363953981.jpg,N6S44thVb3jOk2ePq3FsKw==,US,,1437430483
48327444,48328969,2015-07-20 22:16:56,">>48328606
The cave allegory is a pessimistic view, for someone dissatisfied with life and wishing for another world. The initial premise is 'this world is bad'.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430616
48327444,48329012,2015-07-20 22:18:01,">>48328969
>this world is bad
Seems like a solid premise to me.",,Anonymous,---.jpg,6m+R7ITg/2MT6/Ma/lW2xg==,US,,1437430681
48327444,48329071,2015-07-20 22:19:05,">>48328969
personally I think he had point. I'm just trying to make the best of a bad situation",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430745
48327444,48329094,2015-07-20 22:19:22,">>48329012
Nihilist detected.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437430762
48327444,48329118,2015-07-20 22:19:57,">>48329094
>implying",,Anonymous,Le NT.jpg,eotHX3BRKxgiob43dezaiQ==,US,,1437430797
48327444,48329466,2015-07-20 22:28:21,http://www.austincc.edu/adechene/Nietzsche%20true%20world.pdf,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431301
48327444,48329469,2015-07-20 22:28:24,>>48328606,,Anonymous,transform4.png,RMtlXjqyBknyeq5dtq/B/g==,US,,1437431304
48327444,48329479,2015-07-20 22:28:39,What is wrong with all you mentally ill retards? Who sits around and builds their identity around a lack of a religious faith?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431319
48327444,48329524,2015-07-20 22:29:38,>>48328802,,Anonymous,alive.png,xEyGuZ252qNOZu6BRYSS9w==,CA,,1437431378
48327444,48329549,2015-07-20 22:30:22,">>48329479
Everyone does. Most people, even theists, don't even consider their religion before making a choice.
>>48327638
Thanks :D",,Anonymous,transform.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1437431422
48327444,48329606,2015-07-20 22:31:33,">>48327709
> 2 ways to escape the cave
>Nihilism and Christianity 
last time I checked nihilism was an atheist concept 
>ps:healthful you tard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431493
48327444,48329618,2015-07-20 22:31:45,">>48329469
[spoiler:lit]what about the background?[/spoiler:lit]",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431505
48327444,48329645,2015-07-20 22:32:24,">>48329606
>last time I checked nihilism was an atheist concept
lol",,Anonymous,Nietzsche spurdo.png,wzhmIztCpRLzDvvaAo6hTQ==,US,,1437431544
48327444,48329712,2015-07-20 22:33:47,">>48329645
sorry, I'm new to atheism generals. educate me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431627
48327444,48329753,2015-07-20 22:34:42,">>48329606
The cave, like God, is made up.
This is the real world and it's beautiful. If you do not find this world good you will naturally seek escapism.
And I am totally not working for the Demiurge.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431682
48327444,48329911,2015-07-20 22:37:56,">>48327709
Add a ""how atheists see the world"" for comparison.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431876
48327444,48329996,2015-07-20 22:39:38,">>48329712
Nietzsche considered Christianity and Buddhism to be nihilistic. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ajv-RrQs4o",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437431978
48327444,48330065,2015-07-20 22:41:08,">>48329911
I'll work on that. We need more cute pictures of Fedora-chan for it though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437432068
48327444,48330104,2015-07-20 22:41:43,">>48329712
Atheism is just lack of a belief in deities. You can choose any philosophy you want, it doesn't have to be nihilism. Pic related.",,Anonymous,values.png,vp+ss8HFYZqOCdlYIbJpDg==,US,,1437432103
48327444,48330401,2015-07-20 22:47:49,">>48329618
Good catch",,Anonymous,transform4.png,k4H9jl1EivEAY+XRit0n5A==,US,,1437432469
48327444,48330518,2015-07-20 22:50:09,">>48328606
>>48329469
>>48330401
Reverse engineering meme warfare eh? 
Good luck playing catch up!",,Anonymous,Salve.png,vdyTLt+wch9BHWAADS721A==,US,,1437432609
48327444,48330719,2015-07-20 22:53:55,">>48330518
We've only been at it for 5 days. I hope we get more cute pictures soon ^_^",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437432835
48327444,48330726,2015-07-20 22:54:02,">>48330518
Nah it is easy and fun. no harm in it and fuck we don't have many artists. Not like we find every photo and change it we just change the ones that get posted here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437432842
48327444,48330895,2015-07-20 22:57:48,">>48330719
>>48330726
Well, we take our memes very seriously so we hope to see more original content instead of just the recoloring of existing memes.",,Anonymous,It is.gif,EHgRDttAOvSl4jR5uFykPQ==,US,,1437433068
48327444,48330995,2015-07-20 22:59:57,">>48330895
yeah some new real pictures would be nice and hey as I said we don't go out and change images just the ones here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437433197
48327444,48331009,2015-07-20 23:00:09,">>48330895
I hope for that too. I haven't seen any drawthreads on /pol/ in quite a while though...
Kinda wish I had a drawing tablet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437433209
48327444,48331069,2015-07-20 23:01:35,Let's get a drawing of Fedora-chan and Christ-chan armwrestling.,,Anonymous,1436647908155.jpg,QxbkGqUn5RRIV9jwObS+Tw==,US,,1437433295
48327444,48331209,2015-07-20 23:05:14,">>48331069
>touching hands
Lewd.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437433514
48327444,48331323,2015-07-20 23:07:45,">>48331069
Niggerism. When being a blogger is more important than being a parent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437433665
48327444,48331388,2015-07-20 23:09:01,">>48331069
Didn't that kid ever learn to not cry over spilled milk?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437433741
48327444,48331482,2015-07-20 23:10:59,">mfw christ chan is just pretending to gather fedoras and burn them together
Black and red looks good on her.",,Anonymous,1435476577674.png,XTc/n9zochuwe0xHQYDFKQ==,ES,,1437433859
48327444,48331579,2015-07-20 23:13:24,">>48331482
almost looks like a trench coat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437434004
48327444,48332239,2015-07-20 23:27:53,">>48331579
I wonder how you guys would edit this one
>Replace Claymore with Katana
>Muslim with normal black person",,Anonymous,1422939964936.png,WosmhIhH29y/hC6z8n1HUQ==,ES,,1437434873
48327444,48332426,2015-07-20 23:32:21,">>48332239
Have several heads of various religious figures.
Jesus, Moses, Muhammid, a witch doctor, a new ager.
Atheism is really an end to superstition.
If you really wanted to go all out make it a graveyard with various dead Gods/religions each have their own tomb stone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437435141
48327444,48332621,2015-07-20 23:36:38,">>48332239
>>48332426
We aren't communists we don't kill people",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437435398
48327444,48332705,2015-07-20 23:38:39,">>48332621
It represents the death of ideas. That's our goal, to kill ideas.
If you don't want to have blood you can replace the body parts with symbols. A bent Islamic moon, a broken cross, a mangled star of david, new age healing crystals with recall notice on it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437435519
48327444,48332922,2015-07-20 23:42:56,">>48328969
>implying the allegory of the cave isn't the atavistic equivalent of taking the redpill
But then again, you're an atheist, you can make anything bend to fit your narrow perspectives.",,Delius,haha1.png,A8uURbxzCqDcduhUw4sbEQ==,US,,1437435776
48327444,48332998,2015-07-20 23:44:40,>3000+ hours in GIMP with a mouse,,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437435880
48327444,48333103,2015-07-20 23:47:24,">>48332922
You know I am really happy that all the Christians are defending Plato's cave. Because it means I understand you PERFECTLY.
You however do not understand us.",,Anonymous,1437270809551.jpg,z1/ta7Unw/vJ2reQv/4rPQ==,US,,1437436044
48327444,48333116,2015-07-20 23:47:41,">>48328858
For one thing, I would change it to being about Plato. I would also not conclude that Socrates was not concerned with happiness in this world. While Socrates seems to express some doubt over the classical Greek underworld, he is concerned with living a good life in this one regardless of the next one. 
while Christians adapted alot of plato's philosophy they changed it in numerous ways. the world of the forms was not heaven, and there was no eternal punishment for the unenlightened, outside what already was present in Greek mythology. Socrates emphasized self examination and questioning what you ""know"" to be true. these are hardly incompatible with atheism 
Also very few professional historians doubt the lives of Jesus or Socrates. putting it in the chart is embarrassing .",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436061
48327444,48333137,2015-07-20 23:48:09,">>48332922
>you can make anything bend to fit your narrow perspectives.
you can say that with any Idea or theology.",,Anonymous,1423260894638.gif,aRLZ1nLNtgbpgf9o5ZoBdg==,US,,1437436089
48327444,48333189,2015-07-20 23:49:36,">>48333137
When the bible was talking about the logistics of how to buy and sell slaves it was a metaphor for how we are all slaves to sin!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436176
48327444,48333190,2015-07-20 23:49:37,">73 posts
>19 posters
Have fun with your circlejerk",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436177
48327444,48333246,2015-07-20 23:50:47,">>48332998
Well great something new",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436247
48327444,48333399,2015-07-20 23:54:15,"question
so I believe in the god of the Christian bible
many do not, and that is fine.
the bible prohibits murder, violence outside of self-defense, theft, laziness, greed, and useless rebellion. throughout history, many people claiming to follow the bible not only ignore this, but also do some really annoying thing in the name of the bible- such as the Crusades.
because of my beliefs, I try to live my life by getting to work early, keeping my home clean, being nice to strangers, and not beating the crap out of people. i try to preface my actions with the thought, If everybody acted like this, what would the world be like? (So far, there would be no murders and some damn good HVAC installations, if I do say so myself)
while I am open about my beliefs, I respect that it is the inarguable right of everybody else to not share them.
Actual question now- if I was an accurate representation of modern Christians, would they piss you off?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436455
48327444,48333472,2015-07-20 23:55:27,">>48333189
Whats your supporting evidence saying that; the bible is talking about buying and selling slaves was a metaphor about humans are slaves to sin? 
Maybe that Verse was literal. The bible did have some History in it, maybe it was actually explain how people were sold and bought.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436527
48327444,48333499,2015-07-20 23:56:07,">>48333472
I believe he was being sarcastic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436567
48327444,48333568,2015-07-20 23:57:51,">>48333399
>here are all my good qualities
>would you be mad if everyone had these good qualities?
Uh... no?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436671
48327444,48333639,2015-07-20 23:59:17,">>48333399
they dont, I have no problem with Christians. I was raised by Christians. Now if they say something factually untrue in defense of their faith then we have a problem.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436757
48327444,48333645,2015-07-20 23:59:23,">>48333399
> I try to live my life by getting to work early
> keeping my home clean
>being nice to strangers
>not beating the crap out of people
>i try to preface my actions with the thought
so you're acting like a normal person?
""Freedom is the will to be responsible for ourselves"" -Nietzsche",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436763
48327444,48333668,2015-07-20 23:59:52,">>48333103
We can't understand you because you have no basis.
You have no basis because atheism is the most self-defeating religion on the planet, it internally implodes on itself because it still leads to God.
Also, nice job not even refuting what I said. Escaping the cave is about deciding to find the truth, the right answer, to as many subjects as possible.
So let me fix your perspective for you so it would make more sense.
The cave allegory is a pessimistic view, for someone dissatisfied with the limited knowledge and wisdom he holds. The initial premise is, 'I am ignorant and I wish to become wise.'*",,Delius,,,US,,1437436792
48327444,48333692,2015-07-21 00:00:16,">>48333499
its hard to see through all the shit posting.",,Anonymous,1422075492303.jpg,+l5mgn5+OZC3LaS5TD700w==,US,,1437436816
48327444,48333730,2015-07-21 00:01:04,I'm looking for the perfect fedora to wear...any ideas?,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437436864
48327444,48333774,2015-07-21 00:02:05,">>48333730
walmart.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437436925
48327444,48333877,2015-07-21 00:04:22,">>48333568
look, I know I'm also an asshole, but at least I'm a relatively well adjusted one, who tries. what do you want me to say? I eat babies?
(Just the atheist ones)
>>48333639
>2015
>not believing the earth was made in six literal days
>>48333645
yes, thats the point. im not saying I'm a saint, im asking, if they acted lije normal members of society, would the fact that they were Christian still piss you off?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437062
48327444,48333879,2015-07-21 00:04:24,">>48333668
>Atheism is a religion that leads to god",,Anonymous,mufasa.jpg,JRJGw7AIfmt+SqVfYikgAg==,US,,1437437064
48327444,48333925,2015-07-21 00:05:32,">>48333399
>If everybody acted like this, what would the world be like?
This is basically Kant's philosophy. Nietzsche brushed it aside saying that it was stupid to base your decisions on non-existent world (the world of what if everyone....).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437132
48327444,48334075,2015-07-21 00:09:24,">>48333877
>if they acted lije normal members of society, would the fact that they were Christian still piss you off?
What do normal members of society act like? Do they lobby to put ""God"" on our money? Only elect Christian government officials? Try to force schools to teach abstinence only or creationism? Try to make gay sodomy illegal?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437364
48327444,48334240,2015-07-21 00:13:37,">>48333116
Christianity is an evolution of Plato-ism (and by extension Socrates), that's the point I'm trying to make.
>world of the forms was not heaven
I see it as an evolution. The world of forms is made of thought, spirit takes the role of thought, God is the one perfect form. You also gain the ability to go the world of forms/heaven when you die. It's an evolution of the same metaphysical idea.
Plato-ism is compatible with atheism you are right. Questioning the world is done well by science. The metaphysical aspect that Plato brings is dangerous though.
What's the hard evidence for Jesus existing? I've never looked this up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437617
48327444,48334243,2015-07-21 00:13:40,">>48333925
stupid to base your decisions on a non-existent world? the future doesnt exist yet, but acting with an eye to the future is a sign of basic maturity and understanding. im not certain if your saying I'm stupid, for attempting to self-regulate my actions via mental extension of the concept and it's effect?
tl;dr it's not like I interpret wills with this logic, its why i don't litter",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437620
48327444,48334281,2015-07-21 00:14:41,">>48334075
...no
thats weird",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437681
48327444,48334297,2015-07-21 00:15:10,">>48333879
Either we have a supernatural God and a natural universe, or a supernatural universe and a supernatural God.
There is no getting rid of God, kiddo, he's there whether you like it or not.",,Delius,,,US,,1437437710
48327444,48334421,2015-07-21 00:18:40,">>48334281
Then I don't have problem",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437437920
48327444,48334567,2015-07-21 00:22:37,">>48333668
First you declare the whole world a lie.
Than you look for 'the truth'.
This is the thought processes behind the cave.
The cave allegory and by extension Christianity is horribly pessemistic. You literally have a religion that condemns the entire world. All people, all culture, all history, all matter, all art. ALL of it is material. To you the world material is negative and thus you condemn everything in it. 
The real' world has had far greater meaning than 'spirit world'. Evolution, Cosmology, and Chemistry were not divined from the spirit world, they were found here in the real world.
Family, friends, art, war, country, all of that is here in the real world.
And yet to the person who feels them-self trapped in the cave all of that is meaningless. This is the nihilistic talking, the nihilist who hates the whole world. He had to invent meaning by imagining a fantasy world. 
Do not forget that Socrates was most likely a schizophrenic (his Daemon spoke to him).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437438157
48327444,48334731,2015-07-21 00:26:46,">>48334240
It did evolve from Platoism but that is not the same. 
both Socrates and Plato were most likely theists of one form or another. and it probably impacted their philosophy. but it is unfair to say they are the same as the neo platonic cults and Christian groups that followed 
one problem with the theory that Jesus was created by Paul is that there are writings that predate Paul which mention him. Historians have basically concluded that Jesus being a literary invention is incredibly improbable given the events and writings that followed. Historians call this an argument to the best explanation
This does not mean that every act or event attributed to him is true, but that the man did exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437438406
48327444,48334787,2015-07-21 00:28:24,">>48327946
>kike complaining about Christianity
always right",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437438504
48327444,48334861,2015-07-21 00:30:11,">>48334567
Its really unclear that Socrates was hearing voices in the same way a schizophrenic does. You have to allow for the Greek religious and cultural ideas in how he was expressing himself 
also the alagory of the cave was probably created after Socrates's death since it mentions the enlightened individual (Socrates) being put to death. Thus its plato's cave and not Socraties's",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437438611
48327444,48334984,2015-07-21 00:33:21,">>48327709
If u really want to illustrate how delusional religion is shouldn't the religious ones be those staring and thinking that the shadows on the wall are real while the Atheists and Skeptics are the ones who questions this and thus escape from the cave of ignorance into the light of knowledge?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437438801
48327444,48335046,2015-07-21 00:35:05,">>48334984
Well fug, just make this a ""how atheists and skeptics see the world"" instead. Didn't notice the ""how Christians see the world"" tagline at the bottom",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437438905
48327444,48335049,2015-07-21 00:35:13,">>48334984
The image is confusing which is why I suggested this >>48329911
The image says ""How Christians see the world"", basically this isn't how things actually are. See >>48329753",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437438913
48327444,48335089,2015-07-21 00:36:24,>>48329753,,Anonymous,funniest pol comic ever.png,E5Kh5Y8ZEnbd+nFadlkVoQ==,US,,1437438984
48327444,48335100,2015-07-21 00:36:48,">>48334567
You're embarrassing yourself right now, if you actually read my full post. I specified what I was talking about by saying that we're all limited in wisdom and knowledge, even the things we do know, we most likely do not understand, we can continue striving to better and that's what Christianity is all about.
First of all, nihilism is completely connected to atheism, not to theism.
Secondly, Christians do not hate the world, but they hate that it's ruled by Satan. Yet despite that, they love the world, that's why they don't commit suicide to just go to Heaven, and it's even seen as a sin to commit suicide since innocent life is considered sacred to the pious Christian.
>science does not derive from God
kid, seriously? Science doesn't just pop out of nowhere randomly, it's all been neatly formulated, equations have been balanced and laws have been written down, science is simply the art of finding out ""how"" God made things the way they were, and even your precious scientific method gained traction thanks to the father of empiricism, Francis Bacon, a devout catholic.
Literally re-read everything because you have such a wild belief with little-to-no truth backing it.
But hey, why should I be surprised? You're atheist.",,Delius,,,US,,1437439008
48327444,48335186,2015-07-21 00:39:19,">>48328664
>>48328154
>>48328569
have any recommended readings from a Christian's perspective? Is it not wise for a beginner to investigate both sides of the case IE a book written by a christian against atheism and visa versa as to not be biased?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439159
48327444,48335191,2015-07-21 00:39:34,">>48335100
>Secondly, Christians do not hate the world, but they hate that it's ruled by Satan. Yet despite that, they love the world
1 John 2:15–17 says:
>Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439174
48327444,48335203,2015-07-21 00:39:48,>>48335089,,Anonymous,1402719815206.png,WsoC1f6FhvVACJNF6aI5ww==,US,,1437439188
48327444,48335249,2015-07-21 00:40:53,">>48334984
The goal is to make us understand THEIR perspective. 
I will make a new image showing OUR perspective but it will not use Plato's cave allegory.
The first step in the cave allegory is to say ""the world is no good"". This is nihilism. That is why our perspective does not have a cave at all!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439253
48327444,48335268,2015-07-21 00:41:33,">>48335049
Great. Now let's get someone to make another one about how Atheists and Skeptics see the world.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1437439293
48327444,48335317,2015-07-21 00:42:41,">>48335268
Atheism isn't really a worldview though. It would be more appropriate to say how Humanists see the world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439361
48327444,48335334,2015-07-21 00:43:09,">>48335100
I really appreciate your comments. I'll put some of yours ideas in another image.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439389
48327444,48335388,2015-07-21 00:44:29,">>48335249
now wait a minute! plenty of atheist are/were nihilists. Nietzsche doesn't speak for every atheist ever. His tragic optimism was a rejection of earlier atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439469
48327444,48335411,2015-07-21 00:45:16,">>48335186
Honestly the best place to go is the bible.
If you want to see the philosophical side of Christianity read the New Testament. The old testament is sort of the taboo part of the bible. Christians like to pretend no parts of it exist except genesis and the 10 commandments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439516
48327444,48335512,2015-07-21 00:47:54,">>48335186
A History of God is in the recommended reading. It is written by a former nun, and is completely unbiased examination of history.
I've also listed Jesus Interrupted, which is a very objective study of the New Testament (despite being written by a former Christian, now agnostic)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439674
48327444,48335518,2015-07-21 00:48:05,">>48335411
Christianity had many great thinkers, albeit I disagree with them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439685
48327444,48335538,2015-07-21 00:48:36,">>48335411
book of Job is a nice read",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439716
48327444,48335540,2015-07-21 00:48:44,">>48335317
How about this pic I got from another thread?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,image.jpg,wNSrsSgfXKcq5a1a+YXVyA==,MY,,1437439724
48327444,48335588,2015-07-21 00:50:06,">>48335388
No he doesn't. It's questionable whether Nietzsche himself even was an atheist. I don't recall him ever saying he was one. You could say that the Overman is Nietzsche's God, you might call it a form of spiritualism. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is written like a religious text.
There are plenty of atheists that are nihilists but I really do not care about them. The type of atheism I (and others I presume) want to push is an atheism with meaning.
There is no heaven so any 'meaning' found within in the context of heaven is not real meaning. Only a real place can have real meaning. Earth is where the real meaning is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439806
48327444,48335647,2015-07-21 00:51:59,">>48335540
This doesn't cover an atheists world view or a rationilist's world view.
It covers the world view of someone who was harmed by religion and managed left their religion.
There is no nothing WRONG with the image but the label is misleading.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437439919
48327444,48335737,2015-07-21 00:54:21,">>48335540
I don't like anything about this image, sorry",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440061
48327444,48335743,2015-07-21 00:54:31,">>48328049
Another book you should add to that list Is Arguing for Atheism: An introduction to the philosophy of religion by Robin Poidevin it is structured along the lines of Mackie's work but is slightly shorter and simpler.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437440071
48327444,48335775,2015-07-21 00:55:17,">>48335588
> The type of atheism I (and others I presume) want to push is an atheism with meaning
forgive me but I think that is exactly the problem with so many atheists. they are interested in preaching atheism rather than giving people the means to arrive at it on their own.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440117
48327444,48335809,2015-07-21 00:56:03,">>48335411
>>48335512
>>48335518
>>48335538
thanks! 
>>48335317
Huh. Many places I've read claimed proudly that atheism is, in fact, a world view. Is it really not and why?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440163
48327444,48335822,2015-07-21 00:56:34,">>48335775
He's talking about pushing meaning onto people that are already atheists. Leaving religion leaves a pretty big hole that needs to be filled with music, art, culture, ethics, meaning, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440194
48327444,48335832,2015-07-21 00:56:46,">122 replies
>26 posters
OP, it's time to go back to /mlp/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440206
48327444,48335904,2015-07-21 00:58:56,">>48335809
>Huh. Many places I've read claimed proudly that atheism is, in fact, a world view. Is it really not and why?
See this post and image >>48330104
To put this in perspective, Zen Buddhists are atheists, simply because their religion doesn't have a deity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440336
48327444,48335985,2015-07-21 01:01:36,">>48335822
>He's talking about pushing meaning onto people that are already atheists.
fuck that. that kind of thinking leads to bullshit like atheism+ 
let people figure it out themselves. They wouldn't have become atheists if they didn't get something out of it anyway.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440496
48327444,48336126,2015-07-21 01:05:40,">>48335822
A belief in a religion is not necessary for the advancement of art or music. Trillions of dollars are pumped into producing art of things that everyone knows is fictional. Look at the popularity of scifi and fantasy.
Ethics is not really a problem. The bible was written by men. Ethics are invented by humans, it's one of our tools. Just like we invented the ethics of the bible we can reinvent new ethics. Anyone can make their own good and evil if they have the courage for it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440740
48327444,48336135,2015-07-21 01:06:03,">>48335985
I'd rather help my fellow man than watch them fall into nihilism, then depression, and eventually suicide. 
I want everyone to know how beautiful this universe is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzS39oghcnY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440763
48327444,48336166,2015-07-21 01:06:55,">>48336126
I agree 100%",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437440815
48327444,48336250,2015-07-21 01:10:04,">>48336135
Can you summarize these?",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437441004
48327444,48336258,2015-07-21 01:10:19,">>48335904
>Atheism is just a lack of belief in deities
fuck me for not remembering which atheist said it, but he was making a point that this definition of atheism is self-destructive and offers a ""more refined"" definition: an Atheist believes in certain theories to explain a reality without God. Such as materialism. The same guy went on to admit atheism is a worldview just like theism is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437441019
48327444,48336313,2015-07-21 01:11:56,">>48336135
that's your problem. Like the Christians you think people need to be saved. Atheism has allowed me to reaffirm what is important to me, rather than what other people tell me is important. a bunch of pretty stars can't give your life meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437441116
48327444,48336454,2015-07-21 01:15:55,">>48336135
Cognitive behavioral therapy is a very effective method of dealing with those issues without having to deceive others.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437441355
48327444,48336462,2015-07-21 01:16:07,">>48336258
>an Atheist believes in certain theories to explain a reality without God.
This could be literally anything (without a God).
This definition adds no new information.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437441367
48327444,48336715,2015-07-21 01:24:31,">>48336462
It's a better definition than one that tries to imply 
>Oh, we don't have a worldview.
>We just lack a belief in God.
>Since we're not making any positive claims about the world, we don't have any burden of proof to support atheism
I'm not saying you guys believe this but this agenda or idea has come from some atheists out there",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437441871
48327444,48336744,2015-07-21 01:25:55,">>48336715
Of course atheists have a worldview. Everyone has a worldview. But atheism is not a worldview, even though all atheists have a worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437441955
48327444,48336747,2015-07-21 01:25:59,*tips fedora*: the thread,,Anonymous,321313.png,AQjdF0fQfxkXkM8aZJ66Iw==,MX,,1437441959
48327444,48336804,2015-07-21 01:28:07,">>48336715
>>48336744
We are still trying to recover from atheism+ idiots that tried to make not believing in the God the one true virtue of the universe from which everything else flows.
There's still a lot of their stupid ideas floating around
""Atheism and nothing more is a world view and the best view""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442087
48327444,48336830,2015-07-21 01:29:10,,,Anonymous,christ7.jpg,AI5F5EhhHqLlzd3/r8p81w==,AU,,1437442150
48327444,48336847,2015-07-21 01:29:39,,,Anonymous,christ6.jpg,WSu8/eCl1/XUcGY9A3/Lxw==,AU,,1437442179
48327444,48336849,2015-07-21 01:29:41,,,Anonymous,1400549599799.png,kQOI4B6GZlMKrUZIq49KNg==,MX,,1437442181
48327444,48336871,2015-07-21 01:30:14,,,Anonymous,christ5.jpg,TIuPpv2c/c0ueFiYqAeEvg==,AU,,1437442214
48327444,48336889,2015-07-21 01:30:37,>>>/r/atheism,,Anonymous,1402106231075.png,Ddm6SrEylTxBlHTLVqg66A==,MX,,1437442237
48327444,48336911,2015-07-21 01:31:15,">>48336871
>>48336847
>>48336830
>>48336889
>>>/r/christianity",,Anonymous,jesus_portrait.jpg,zA3ou1rsLb+V5rwfwbmRDA==,US,,1437442275
48327444,48336912,2015-07-21 01:31:16,,,Anonymous,1403925838720.jpg,6iZpDYjRYCabWItROBZdiw==,MX,,1437442276
48327444,48336932,2015-07-21 01:32:05,Moral relativism and atheism go hand in hand. Degeneracy is the fruit of the atheist.,,Anonymous,christ4.png,Y529hs1pgGrseW2Yv+T5GQ==,AU,,1437442325
48327444,48336936,2015-07-21 01:32:11,,,Anonymous,1386406674969.jpg,RX6QuuGVwz/oS0EVl0jupQ==,MX,,1437442331
48327444,48336965,2015-07-21 01:33:27,good goyim,,Anonymous,1406018275389.jpg,xtLCZu80mlegG8JIgCBU/w==,MX,,1437442407
48327444,48336966,2015-07-21 01:33:31,,,Anonymous,christ pill.png,VtDFltWrpJRvx/VbN0z8Aw==,AU,,1437442411
48327444,48336967,2015-07-21 01:33:32,">>48336932
Lol, yesterday you guys were saying it was hedonism. Now it's moral relativism, interesting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442412
48327444,48337005,2015-07-21 01:35:08,>>48336967,,Anonymous,1402106315431.jpg,MEL1h9jstlEaY+IzVOXdJQ==,MX,,1437442508
48327444,48337006,2015-07-21 01:35:10,">>48336967
Not mutually exclusive at all. Most atheists believe in moral relativism and most atheists are hedonists. If you don't want your society to be Christian, you're simply delusional",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437442510
48327444,48337013,2015-07-21 01:35:19,"Well the papist scumbags are out in full force
Does the phrase ""whistling past the graveyard"" mean anything to you guys?",,ELECTRIC,1432589729160.jpg,UC6wqWcyDULrxo8776qsWg==,US,,1437442519
48327444,48337031,2015-07-21 01:35:59,">>48337006
tbh most christians are hedonists as well",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442559
48327444,48337036,2015-07-21 01:36:20,,,Anonymous,tips+fedora+grooms+neckbeard+throws+cape+over+shoulder+refills+chalice+_9d7feb97a66d1fb29b48b2d3ee146198.jpg,xWVtqEzTvKwbBM0rGuXIZQ==,MX,,1437442580
48327444,48337037,2015-07-21 01:36:28,"HAHA ATHEIST ARE GAY
GO 
CONVERT TO THE CONVICTION OF PAPAJ DRUGI
UR U WILL BE LOST FOREVER xD",,Anonymous,papaj dva.png,XUyk1R1eMUqNXYmuFWbS/g==,DE,,1437442588
48327444,48337038,2015-07-21 01:36:30,If there was to be an faq created what type of questions should it cover?,,Anonymous,1427641379137.png,vraniSBZsvJo05RJNuvZ0Q==,AU,,1437442590
48327444,48337041,2015-07-21 01:36:35,Reminder that you're betraying your own people,,Anonymous,european religion.png,MvtdkPibwrV5Ou8hZBrOtQ==,AU,,1437442595
48327444,48337044,2015-07-21 01:36:43,">>48337006
>If you don't want your society to be Christian, you're simply delusional
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442603
48327444,48337069,2015-07-21 01:37:39,">>48333399
>Actual question now- if I was an accurate representation of modern Christians, would they piss you off?
No. Being pissed off or liking Christians is irrelevant as to whether I believe their religion, though...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442659
48327444,48337071,2015-07-21 01:37:45,">>48337013
Does that mean you have to whistle really loud in order to clear the distance of the average graveyard? I imagine the average graveyard is quite large so that would be quite a feat.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442665
48327444,48337082,2015-07-21 01:38:13,">>48336744
>>48336804
OK thanks for the info. I'm guessing atheism+ is the same as the coined term ""new atheism?"" I'm glad people are steering away from that.
>>48336744
>atheists have a worldview but atheism itself is not a worldview
how so? Just looking up the definition I can see it fits the meaning. But here's a excerpt from a book I just started today. read the image I posted. Mind you the book is from a christians POV but a good point nonetheless",,Anonymous,2015-07-21_003635.png,5RW+SLonMNC89AQnKwZVbw==,US,,1437442693
48327444,48337110,2015-07-21 01:38:59,>>48337041,,Anonymous,1427641778026.png,pDIPI6/DXafq+Q2quFkjFg==,AU,,1437442739
48327444,48337111,2015-07-21 01:38:59,">>48333668
In the sense that not collecting stamps is the most self defeating hobby in the planet and leads inexorably to collecting stamps.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442739
48327444,48337123,2015-07-21 01:39:29,">>48337044
Christianity doesn't help society if it's without faith. That's just empty Christianity.",,Anonymous,atheist.png,VoTYRwvryyi3flPtC6Bqsg==,AU,,1437442769
48327444,48337124,2015-07-21 01:39:33,>theists ITT,,Anonymous,1426989024472.gif,7NEntGvAuoGURu74eJYNWQ==,US,,1437442773
48327444,48337132,2015-07-21 01:39:40,,,Anonymous,1402106405614.jpg,u5VZSCQn/I1XggvM9gXviA==,MX,,1437442780
48327444,48337134,2015-07-21 01:39:41,">>48337006
>Most atheists believe in moral relativism and most atheists are hedonists
Not in the US, for better or worse
>>48337071
No, it means desperately trying to control your fear by pretending to be oblivious.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437442781
48327444,48337154,2015-07-21 01:40:48,">>48335832
It's funny you mention /mlp/. 
I was there for the beginning, back when ponies were only on /b/. We acted exactly like the Christians in their threads act now. Completely immune to any thread invasions due to hive mentality, constantly spilling over into threads we weren't wanted in, get shit-posted to death and come right back in a new thread. 
We did it because we felt a sense of belonging. We enjoyed being pariahs. Only difference being ponies were banned on all boards, while Christians are allowed to shitpost any and all boards.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442848
48327444,48337159,2015-07-21 01:40:57,>>48337134,,Anonymous,tips tinfoilhat.jpg,FkjT9X/fX2/0eFd8eS0xYw==,MX,,1437442857
48327444,48337166,2015-07-21 01:41:11,">>48337038
Is there a moral framework to life?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442871
48327444,48337167,2015-07-21 01:41:11,">>48337006
[citation needed]",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442871
48327444,48337174,2015-07-21 01:41:27,">>48337082
Notice how he switches from abstract ideas like atheism and worldviews to an individual person? He then says that person has to have a worldview about the big questions in life. Basically he just switched the word ""atheism"" to ""atheist"", an individual.
And as I said before, atheists have a worldview. Atheism is just part of that worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437442887
48327444,48337192,2015-07-21 01:41:48,">>48337041
They cucked themselves a long time ago",,Anonymous,ChristianitySpread1400.jpg,sHyigcMffjIfkwshP7/pkA==,US,,1437442908
48327444,48337238,2015-07-21 01:43:04,,,Anonymous,1424669305707.png,JJxR2/vsPiz/uvu2oAgBQg==,MX,,1437442984
48327444,48337261,2015-07-21 01:44:02,,,Anonymous,1427642035311.png,PWvn5BphoEV8h6hauZIRGw==,AU,,1437443042
48327444,48337272,2015-07-21 01:44:25,">>48337159
I get the feeling you need a hug.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437443065
48327444,48337278,2015-07-21 01:44:33,"I don't think ya'll atheists realize the gravity of religion. Religion exists for two reasons. One can be disregarded. The other, is POONTANG.
NOW I'M SURE YA'LL HAVE SEEN AN INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO ENGAGE IN SOME DANG-A-LANG TIME WITH. BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW A FEW THINGS FIRST IN REGARDS TO RELIGION.
WHY DO SOME RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEVIANCY? SHARED SEX AS A NORM? EASE OF ACCESS. THE SHARING OF KNOWLEDGE ALA KAMA SUTRA AND THE LIKE.
WHY DO SOME RELIGIONS ESPOUSE THE NECESSITY OF VIRGINITY. BECAUSE POUNDTOWN, BROTHERS. POUNDTOWN. A VIRGIN PUSSY IS SOME TIGHT SHIT. A VIRGIN DICK HAS A LOT TO GIVE. THEY MAKE SEX A PROGRESSIVE LEARNING EXPERIENCE. THIS IS WHY VIRGINITY ESPOUSING RELIGIONS, TYPICALLY MONOTHEISTIC HAVE SO MUCH GOING FOR THEM. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FINE ASS BITCHES, AND SEXUAL EXPERIMENTING IS FUN!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
ZORDACK, OUT!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443073
48327444,48337306,2015-07-21 01:45:10,KURWA,,Anonymous,popeseal.png,FcO1bBnM8OCcSgZCspK3Kw==,DE,,1437443110
48327444,48337316,2015-07-21 01:45:21,,,Anonymous,fedora-anonymous.png,KsjeHwGh0WbDOe7KL2SePw==,MX,,1437443121
48327444,48337333,2015-07-21 01:45:50,">>48337261
Related
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_irrationality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443150
48327444,48337372,2015-07-21 01:47:27,">>48336258
>a ""more refined"" definition
A definition which is strictly incorrect, however. Its right in the name: atheism is without theism, ie a lack of belief in God or gods. 
>an Atheist believes in certain theories to explain a reality without God
I don't see anything that needs explaining? This train of thought is always the same, ""the universe needs a cause, so it must be God"" just adds an extra level of pointless complexity, since if you can believe God doesn't need a cause, you can believe the universe doesn't need a cause.
>The same guy went on to admit atheism is a worldview just like theism is.
Atheists may espouse different worldviews, but atheism isn't a worldview anymore than your not believing in dragons is an adragonist worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443247
48327444,48337404,2015-07-21 01:48:45,"So, ignoring the theist shitposting, does anyone here follow any form of higher moral code?
I try to follow some teachings of the stoics and related philosophies, and have rejected all passions (as best I can). This means that I haven't drank, been under any influence, had sex (I haven't found a woman I wish to wed), or even masturbated in nearly 5 years. I have even limited my shitposting to a maximum of 2 hours a day, and spend the rest of my free time either exercising or personal education.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443325
48327444,48337412,2015-07-21 01:49:07,">>48337278
Honestly though Mormonism especially disturbs me because its (now historical) polygamy, ""lost boys"" (excess males), and incredible population explosion reminds me of a nefarious fertility cult.
Brigham Young had 55 wives and 59 kids, imagine that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443347
48327444,48337424,2015-07-21 01:49:50,">>48337041
How so?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443390
48327444,48337456,2015-07-21 01:50:45,">>48327638
here, i fixed this by removing all the garbage you just made up
you're the schizo.",,Anonymous,1437443120625.png,UdZZ2/ax1YgQbtozDC776A==,NZ,,1437443445
48327444,48337474,2015-07-21 01:51:12,">>48337174
what would be an example of a name of a worldview an atheist holds if atheism itself does not count as a worldview?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443472
48327444,48337475,2015-07-21 01:51:12,">>48337404
I try my best to be a utilitarian but it's obviously way too demanding. Oh well, if the Christians are okay with trying but never measuring up with their moral code then so am I",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443472
48327444,48337496,2015-07-21 01:51:59,">>48337474
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443519
48327444,48337511,2015-07-21 01:52:28,">>48337474
see >>48330104
I'd say I'm a Humanist, myself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443548
48327444,48337515,2015-07-21 01:52:38,">>48337372
Atheism is just an application of occam's razor. As the body of scientific knowledge has grown, the god hypothesis has been eliminated.
>>48337404
>does anyone here follow any form of higher moral code
I'm a hardcore nihilist actually. I have personal reactions to things like stupidity, dishonesty, humorlessness, ""corruption"" and other things that were natural or conditioned, but I don't elevate it to be any sort of universal moral code.
Like I said, though, in the states at least most atheists are going to be liberals who haven't made the jump and still make reasons why their personal reactions reflect universal dicta.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437443558
48327444,48337551,2015-07-21 01:53:50,I'm Christian but I enjoy these threads OP and I love the drawings.,,Anonymous,Class_creation_archer.png,vazXeww2gC80Qw1QyoSQsQ==,US,,1437443630
48327444,48337562,2015-07-21 01:54:23,">>48337082
Atheism isn't comparable to anarchy. Anarchy acknowledges there are governments but wants to remove them. The equivalent would be acknowledging God but wanting to remove him. 
>this book is from a christians POV
Well no shit. He's using a very biased perspective. Atheists have worldviews, atheism isn't a worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443663
48327444,48337573,2015-07-21 01:54:52,Why did you decide to leave reddit and spread your degenerate cancer elsewhere on the internet?,,Anonymous,11J8PLe.jpg,0MTWvc4IxBZz1oJWxVgtcQ==,US,,1437443692
48327444,48337576,2015-07-21 01:54:54,">>48337404
I mostly just try to live my life without making anyone else's worse. If I can improve someone's life without significant detriment to my own, I try to do it. Ideally I'd like to see humans leave behind the gods of the past, and create a heaven on Earth, rather than belittle their own spirit by waiting for one ""prepared"" for them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443694
48327444,48337586,2015-07-21 01:55:18,">>48337372
see >>48336258 that particular author's statement regarding worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443718
48327444,48337590,2015-07-21 01:55:21,Christ girl and fedora girl are both really cute. What are some atheist animes?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443721
48327444,48337598,2015-07-21 01:55:40,">>48330104
Forgot aestheticism. Beauty is truth and all that.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437443740
48327444,48337618,2015-07-21 01:56:38,"Question:
Why dont you guys believe in intelligent design?
Even lots of scientists admit that things like the eye are just to complex and well made to be the product of mutation.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437443798
48327444,48337657,2015-07-21 01:57:41,">>48337573
>being so delusional so as to think that /pol/ is or ever was majority religious 
>a fucking 4chan board",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443861
48327444,48337678,2015-07-21 01:58:27,">>48337618
>Even lots of scientists admit that things like the eye are just to complex and well made to be the product of mutation.",,ELECTRIC,1434050427481.gif,0hlXKlkRxlWvt/Ba++HZFQ==,US,,1437443907
48327444,48337688,2015-07-21 01:58:47,">>48337576
That's literally what the Jews are trying to do and what the Bolshevik depth-grovelers did.",,Anonymous,10407464_513911758732252_9118646832211650061_n.png,/57AxPjYqgz6tKwxERlvjA==,US,,1437443927
48327444,48337692,2015-07-21 01:58:50,">>48337618
>Even lots of scientists admit that things like the eye are just to complex and well made to be the product of mutation.
That's a funny thing to think considering that is exactly how the eye came about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437443930
48327444,48337708,2015-07-21 01:59:25,">>48337598
>>48337678
SUKA PUTA CYKA",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437443965
48327444,48337735,2015-07-21 02:00:28,">>48337618
Organisms have had 3.6 billion years to make eyes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444028
48327444,48337739,2015-07-21 02:00:35,">>48337657
I think /pol/ was mostly atheists who wanted to be christians but you can't really fake believe in god..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444035
48327444,48337742,2015-07-21 02:00:47,">>48337404
I suppose Epicureanism.
>>48337474
My worldview (quite unintentionally) is probably Epicureanism.
>Epicurus believed that what he called ""pleasure"" is the greatest good, but the way to attain such pleasure is to live modestly and to gain knowledge of the workings of the world and the limits of one's desires. This led one to attain a state of tranquility (ataraxia) and freedom from fear, as well as absence of bodily pain (aponia). The combination of these two states is supposed to constitute happiness in its highest form.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444047
48327444,48337764,2015-07-21 02:01:24,">>48337618
Because it adds absolutely nothing to the table
>God did it in a way that made it look like it happened all by itself!
It's pointless.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444084
48327444,48337770,2015-07-21 02:01:36,">>48337657
Wasn't even close to what I said, but it seems you are very bunghurt about some people realizing that theism is the only weapon against the soulless and meaningless atheism spreading like a disease among the naive and vulnerable college ""free-thinkers""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444096
48327444,48337783,2015-07-21 02:01:52,">>48337618
>Even lots of scientists admit that things like the eye are just to complex and well made to be the product of mutation.
Not since the 19th Century they haven't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye
Eyes simply began as protiens in single cell creatures that were receptive to light and went on from that.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437444112
48327444,48337803,2015-07-21 02:02:32,,,Anonymous,1427640418840.jpg,vLQfYG03Pye5jFteRUUvSQ==,AU,,1437444152
48327444,48337808,2015-07-21 02:02:34,">>48337562
but by claiming atheism isn't a worldview and just a ""lack of X,"" you're removing the burden of proof to support atheism. Is it not? These statements are coming from both renowned atheists and theists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444154
48327444,48337814,2015-07-21 02:02:43,">>48337586
I was responding to that post. His statement regarding worldview is categorically incorrect. Atheism isn't anymore of a world view than adragonism or astampcollectism is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444163
48327444,48337815,2015-07-21 02:02:47,">>48337739
99% of religious belief on /pol/ is due to the idea that only religion can preserve social conservatism. When in fact, social conservatism is dying due to the fact that it's been attached to religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444167
48327444,48337823,2015-07-21 02:02:57,">>48337688
Nice hitler dubs. With luck like this, it's only a matter of time before you make it out of your parents' basement.
>>48337708
Shit single. You should feel bad.",,ELECTRIC,Christian-Bale-American-Psycho-Rolex-DateJust.png,kcmmley+I8R6TBE5Aqnnaw==,US,,1437444177
48327444,48337829,2015-07-21 02:03:14,">>48337770
Is Christianity really going to be the new Hinduism, Buddhism, and New Age for the 2010s? Modernity is fucking eating itself and you are complicit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444194
48327444,48337840,2015-07-21 02:03:34,">>48337808
You can't prove God doesn't exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444214
48327444,48337871,2015-07-21 02:04:18,">>48337840
Ok, Josh Wheaton.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444258
48327444,48337884,2015-07-21 02:04:41,">>48337618
Too many reasons to count. The simplest is that adding ""God made it"" to the universe just raises the question of ""who made God."" God coming out of nothing doesn't strike me as more plausible than the universe coming out of nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444281
48327444,48337899,2015-07-21 02:05:00,">>48337815
I think that's true, but I think religion is better for society because it'd be impossible to get the average people to be moral without it. It's because church is what holds small communities together to be moral and there are no secular alternatives to that. School or a basketball american ""community center"" only come close.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444300
48327444,48337904,2015-07-21 02:05:11,">>48337840
Depends on your standard of proof, actually.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437444311
48327444,48337906,2015-07-21 02:05:14,">>48337815
How can you not admit the blatant fact that modern feminism/LGBTQTЖЬ%+ culture is the direct result of the abandonment of Christian values? How hard are you trying to avoid coming to that very obvious conclusion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444314
48327444,48337918,2015-07-21 02:05:44,">>48337840
uhhh duh
we're on the same grounds here, lad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444344
48327444,48337932,2015-07-21 02:06:05,">>48337906
I don't know, how hard are you trying to avoid reading a fucking book?",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437444365
48327444,48337937,2015-07-21 02:06:12,">>48337815
You'd think it would be harder to defend social conservativism right next to /d/ and /u/ and all the porn boards",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444372
48327444,48337962,2015-07-21 02:06:58,">>48337906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINa22UR0S4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444418
48327444,48337982,2015-07-21 02:07:47,">>48337937
I think you're missing the bigger picture that the board is full of fascists and southerners, who are basically on the same level as bronies in terms of emotional health and social acceptance.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437444467
48327444,48337983,2015-07-21 02:07:48,">>48337932
I'd put down $50 that you have a copy of Le gOD Delusion within your immediate vicinity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444468
48327444,48337999,2015-07-21 02:08:24,">>48337906
People no longer take ""God said it."" as an argument. If that is the only thing behind social conservatism people will not listen. Moral values came about pragmatically but were enforced and propagated divinely. This will no longer work.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444504
48327444,48338002,2015-07-21 02:08:31,">>48337983
Cool, how do you send me the money?",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437444511
48327444,48338029,2015-07-21 02:09:32,">>48337808
>you're removing the burden of proof to support atheism. Is it not?
Not believing in God requires the burden of proof in the same way not believing in aliens or not believing in the fair folk does.
>These statements are coming from both renowned atheists and theists
Obviously a theist is NOT going to be fair and impartial towards atheism, and ""these statements"" by ""renowned atheists"" have yet to be cited. Nor am I required to care if someone is a celebrity for how witty his arguments for not believing in God are as I don't care whether atheism becomes more or less popular, except from that evangelicals despise atheists worse than their actual enemies like muslims.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444572
48327444,48338117,2015-07-21 02:12:16,">>48337814
is this atheism+, then? why is it wrong to think atheism is a worldview when many well-known atheists and theists say it is one?",,Anonymous,2015-07-21_011045.png,8onWVVTzzV5+VLeBL4TUyA==,US,,1437444736
48327444,48338132,2015-07-21 02:12:45,">>48337906
What ""Christian values?"" Your argument relies on the assumption that social conservative Christians are the only true Christians, while the just as prevalent progressive Christians must be SEKRIT ATHEISTS (or Satanists or whatever).
From an outsider's perspective, you're both equally Christian and I see no reason to believe you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444765
48327444,48338161,2015-07-21 02:13:43,">>48338029
>except from that evangelicals despise atheists worse than their actual enemies like muslims.
Eh, everyone hates us",,Anonymous,pew.png,Hm9ZxEr7wVsneekSXxGXiQ==,US,,1437444823
48327444,48338190,2015-07-21 02:14:57,">>48338117
>when many well-known atheists and theists say it is one?
>well known atheists
You've yet to come up with any.
>and theists
Why would you rely on the opinion of people who deeply hate atheists to come up with a fair and impartial opinion? 
The lack of belief in God in my life informs my worldview as much as the lack of belief in Odin or Vishnu informs yours.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444897
48327444,48338230,2015-07-21 02:16:01,">>48338117
>when many well-known atheists
Well, go ahead and start quoting.
>and theists
You know that many internet protestants say that Catholics worship the devil? You know they don't literally worship the devil, right? What's that called? Defamation?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444961
48327444,48338241,2015-07-21 02:16:23,">>48338161
Its really just evangelicals that bring down the public opinion of atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437444983
48327444,48338303,2015-07-21 02:18:46,">>48338241
>Its really just evangelicals
>just
They're 30–35% of the population",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437445126
48327444,48338319,2015-07-21 02:19:16,">>48338230
>Defamation?
JUST
OY
VEY
MY 
IZ
MEER",,ELECTRIC,1419303057156.gif,RL3kQU7Q8wBELIvl9gywWg==,US,,1437445156
48327444,48338351,2015-07-21 02:20:07,">>48338303
30-35% is an improvement over ""everyone.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437445207
48327444,48338367,2015-07-21 02:20:28,">>48338319
I like that dance the guy does on the right",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437445228
48327444,48338585,2015-07-21 02:28:02,">>48338190
ok now I'm starting to get it.
There are some atheists who believe that their atheism should be held as a worldview just as theism is so their beliefs will not collapse on itself. And there's are some atheists who deny this because they avoid the burden of what we said and then some. I'm reading both atheist and theist POV books and can say Christians definitely try to elevate atheism to a worldview. Both cases can be argued excellently so I don't have an opinion at the moment.
 Interesting though.
oh and just search google if you want to find out which atheists preferred to say atheism is a worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437445682
48327444,48338597,2015-07-21 02:28:30,"I'm curious, where are you guys politically? Does the natsoc shit spill over into atheism, or is that mostly a Christian thing? Libertardian here.",,Anonymous,riqFu.gif,mOema8wWe+vSFrdvrUpOdg==,US,,1437445710
48327444,48338647,2015-07-21 02:30:00,">>48338597
I'm a centrist",,Anonymous,scale.png,xoEV/iRtwAVshg5sMoYFMw==,US,,1437445800
48327444,48338720,2015-07-21 02:32:30,">>48338585
If you base your entire worldview around theism (which is what the christian worldview does) then switching to atheism will necessarily change your entire worldview. 
Even theism isn't a worldview.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437445950
48327444,48338799,2015-07-21 02:35:04,">worldview
This is just a buzzword that tries to equate empiricism with blind faith",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437446104
48327444,48338806,2015-07-21 02:35:19,">>48338190
>>48338230
off the top of my head, look up adam lee. I think he's one of those atheism + guys you talked about. 
I'll look through some secular books on my shelf to find more if you'd like. hopefully this thread will be alive tomorrow",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446119
48327444,48338807,2015-07-21 02:35:21,Why do atheists narrate a view on history that isn't true?,,Anonymous,onlyonesmartatheist.jpg,rj00fNywkCgvnUPNKFcIpQ==,DE,,1437446121
48327444,48338915,2015-07-21 02:38:56,">>48338807
Why do desperate reactionaries rererepost bullshit infographics?",,ELECTRIC,--thumb.jpg,3KmUEQmv0NuRscM9lGc3nw==,US,,1437446336
48327444,48338939,2015-07-21 02:39:37,">>48338806
>At Patheos Atheist, Adam Lee advocates secular humanism as a positive, uplifting and joyous worldview that deserves a larger following and wider recognition in the marketplace of ideas.
Secular humanism is not the same thing as atheism. There are many atheists who are not secular humanists. Hedonists, for example, or Buddhists. It's like saying that all Christians are Calvinists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446377
48327444,48338948,2015-07-21 02:39:59,">>48338585
What >>48338720 said
Religion is a worldview, not belief in a deity. It's a pre-packaged way of living one's life. This is why they are often state-mandated. 
It's a way to ensure your population is predictable and behaved to your liking.
Many people fear the freedom that comes with creating your own worldview, and fear the worst of what others may do with theirs, given the opportunity to. So even though atheism has no strict codes, morals, or even a defined text, Christians ascribe these things to atheists, where no plurality exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446399
48327444,48338969,2015-07-21 02:40:53,">>48338585
>There are some atheists who believe that their atheism should be held as a worldview
I don't know of any, nor do you, apparently. A basic websearch turns up a lot of atheists who don't believe its a worldview and a lot of Christians who do.
>who deny this because they avoid the burden of what we said and then some. 
No, they deny it because, again, not believing in Jesus is not any more of a worldview than not believing in Odin was. 
An atheist may certainly have a given worldview, possibly one created by another atheist-ish person like my worldview which is basically Epicureanism ( (although he's only an atheist from the Christian perspective, just as Christians are atheists from the ancient Greek perspective). Of course, atheism is a relative concept. Christians were once considered atheists for not believing in the Greek gods, while Christians consider atheists atheists for not believing in their god. Similarly, Milton described Lucifer and pals as atheists, though they obviously acknowledged God as a thing. Atheism is relative.
Epicurus believed there were gods, but they didn't intervene in the lives of mortals. So his belief is more like deism.
I try to take in stride the Christian hate and remind myself that Christians were hated as atheists as well by their contemporaries.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446453
48327444,48339026,2015-07-21 02:42:43,">>48338597
I'm a moderate, which makes me a FAR RIGHT WING EXTREMIST by modern political standards, due to the way politics have been tipping far into the left side of the spectrum for decades.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446563
48327444,48339089,2015-07-21 02:44:51,">>48338807
It wasn't even atheists who came up with the concept of the Dark Ages, try again.
>>48338806
Adam Lee seems mildly interesting. He is proposing atheism *as* a positive worldview to create a new narrative, but does not claim that it *already is* one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446691
48327444,48339113,2015-07-21 02:45:40,No god :D,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446740
48327444,48339196,2015-07-21 02:48:11,">>48338939
>>48338969
I see. Thanks for your input. Still on the fence though because both sides form a great argument for atheism and theism being a worldview or not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437446891
48327444,48339284,2015-07-21 02:51:07,">>48339196
Fair enough, but it entirely hinges on which dictionary definition you use:
1.the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447067
48327444,48339368,2015-07-21 02:53:59,"present, to the supreme atheist council, the pros and cons of genociding those who refuse to acknowledge there is no god in public.
Pros: more resources for everyone, average intelligence goes up, humanity will not be distracted by thoughts of the afterlife, humanity has just taken a huge step towards the future, liberal tears, it attracts many young angsty oppressed youth to the cause
Cons: time making mass graves, guillotine sharpening, some cuties who would make good sex slaves may get executed",,Anonymous,1433454777595.jpg,L78bp2j+9bZwgVqzYpCgww==,FI,,1437447239
48327444,48339429,2015-07-21 02:56:17,">>48339284
and, frankly, some theists and atheists both get ass splinters when the question is brought up. Most don't give a shit otherwise. So far I've read books from both POVs and few of them addressed the issue. Is it really that important?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447377
48327444,48339430,2015-07-21 02:56:17,">>48339368
>Cons: time making mass graves, guillotine sharpening, some cuties who would make good sex slaves may get executed
But those are the fun parts...",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1437447377
48327444,48339441,2015-07-21 02:56:51,">>48339368
Why so bleak? We'll all be atheists before too long",,Anonymous,GallupNones.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1437447411
48327444,48339450,2015-07-21 02:57:04,">>48339368
Nah.",,Anonymous,reaction all these moments.png,iD9qW9HDKusTGbjsw2UhLg==,US,,1437447424
48327444,48339483,2015-07-21 02:58:17,">>48339368
Cons: We prove to everyone that our ideas have no actual merit, and can only be spread by the sword, much like most religions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447497
48327444,48339502,2015-07-21 02:58:49,">>48339430
Well, girls generally function better as sexual playthings, short order cooks and maids when they are alive. Generally.
Though the advantage of beheadings is that now two singletons can have girlfriends.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447529
48327444,48339530,2015-07-21 02:59:43,">>48339368
The religious have committed more genocides than athiests by a longshot and infact are currently doing the same in modern days.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437447583
48327444,48339548,2015-07-21 03:00:25,">>48328569
wtf are the Doritos for?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447625
48327444,48339628,2015-07-21 03:04:07,">>48339548
For num nums",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447847
48327444,48339653,2015-07-21 03:05:09,">>48327444
Cannot you autistic faggots fuck off to reddit?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437447909
48327444,48339671,2015-07-21 03:06:18,">>48339653
>be on /tg/ for 10 years
""go back to pol!""
>be on /pol/ from the beginning
>never been to reddit
""go back to reddit!"" 
Fuck off gypsy cunt",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437447978
48327444,48339684,2015-07-21 03:06:47,">>48336967
Moral relativism results in hedonism, you retarded piece of redditor shit.
For some enlightened gentlemen you sure are retards.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437448007
48327444,48339699,2015-07-21 03:07:31,">>48339684
Human nature leads to hedonism.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437448051
48327444,48339760,2015-07-21 03:10:28,">>48337038
>Q:Is /r/atheism full?
>A:yes
>>48337456
>>48339699
This hedonism is stopped by any kind of moral code. These tend to gain ""logical"" weight if you add religion to them.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437448228
48327444,48339797,2015-07-21 03:12:01,">>48339760
>This hedonism is stopped by any kind of moral code.
Too bad Christianity's does nothing to stop it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437448321
48327444,48339803,2015-07-21 03:12:11,">>48339684
Why is hedonism bad by its own merit? Hedonistic ventures should be weighed on their potential harm alongside their pleasure, but in and of itself I can find nothing wrong with the basic idea of making life about feeling good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437448331
48327444,48339845,2015-07-21 03:13:51,">>48328664
>/mlp/ panties
My sister has some. Should I try baiting her with a fedora?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437448431
48327444,48339856,2015-07-21 03:14:17,">>48339803
America was founded on ideas by John Mill, a hedonist. Christians use it in a derogatory way because >>48327709",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437448457
48327444,48339857,2015-07-21 03:14:17,">>48339803
>Why is hedonism bad by its own merit?
Omnisexual Denogendered Metakins pls go.
>>48339797
???
I bet you are pulling shit out of your ass. Maybe Christianity does nothing to stop degeneracy, but Christians do.
Poland is 90% Catholic and being a fag there is a nightmare.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437448457
48327444,48339891,2015-07-21 03:15:33,">>48339857
>Omnisexual Denogendered Metakins
wat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437448533
48327444,48339911,2015-07-21 03:16:09,,,Anonymous,adults-with-imaginary-friends-are-stupid.jpg,yLv0ecM+XxgtqFJ+5CAgYQ==,SK,,1437448569
48327444,48339945,2015-07-21 03:17:14,">>48328664
>All these fucking books.
All this fucking angst.
I can't even begin to comprehend it.
Look, kid, go listen to Linkin Park, it's more productive.
>>48339891
Newfag retard.
Look, everybody with half a brain can realize you came here after Pao shat your site up.(She's gone now, you can fuck off)
>>48339911
Bringing degeneracy into Eastern Europe one step at a time :)",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437448634
48327444,48339982,2015-07-21 03:19:07,">>48339857
>Maybe Christianity does nothing to stop degeneracy, but Christians do.
America has a 84-87% Christian population, so any complaints about immorality or hedonism need to be forwarded to the nearest Christian, such as the POTUS.
The only way to get a fair examination would be to look at Murikan atheists and see whether they have a higher or lower rate of STDs (protip: its lower) than the rest of the population. Any other objective criteria you can think of?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437448747
48327444,48340011,2015-07-21 03:20:07,">>48339945
>Bringing degeneracy into Eastern Europe one step at a time :)
Religions are degenerate.",,Anonymous,r.jpg,2sEgsLAdC7lUhqph4eSlVg==,SK,,1437448807
48327444,48340067,2015-07-21 03:21:59,">>48339982
American christian are mostly protestants. Cuck.
>>48340011
I love all this reasoning that goes against millenia of non-degenerate civilization.
Degeneration means the corruption of something good in time. When /pol/ talks about degeneracy, it talks about how we turned from the traditional values of the past.
Those, as you should know, are Christian, western values.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437448919
48327444,48340075,2015-07-21 03:22:29,">>48339857
>Maybe Christianity does nothing to stop degeneracy, but Christians do.
Over here, christian churches all support taking muslim ""refugees"", its secular nationalist organizations who oppose it. In this day and age, christianity is a force for degeneracy.",,Anonymous,,,SK,,1437448949
48327444,48340108,2015-07-21 03:24:11,">>48340075
Catholicism is flawed, that is true, altough some followers are still non-degenerate.
However Orthodoxy is the /pol/-approved Christianity",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449051
48327444,48340111,2015-07-21 03:24:19,">>48339845
No, but you should post pictures of her panties.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449059
48327444,48340115,2015-07-21 03:24:27,">>48339857
And Poland has higher corruption than countries like Japan or Hong Kong
Seems like Christians are awful specific about the kind of degeneracy they want to stop, it's almost as if it's based on their feelings",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449067
48327444,48340131,2015-07-21 03:25:11,">>48340111
Fuck off with your stupid redneck fetish faggot fuck you",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449111
48327444,48340133,2015-07-21 03:25:17,">>48338597
Libertarian leaning centrist.
>Niggers and Spics need to either GTFO or learn to fit in
>Government shouldn't have any business regulating what I do on my property, unless it harms someone else
>Government should not be based off of a religion
>Businesses are responsible only for their profits. As long as they aren't harming the environment/population, they should be left the fuck alone
>Fags, pedos, zoophiles, etc are less than pleasant, but what/who they fuck is up to their own discretion, again, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.
>God can fuck off right out of public education, though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449117
48327444,48340136,2015-07-21 03:25:22,">>48337038
hold off on the faq... we have a muslim-chan [""religion of peace"" rant]... all we need now is a Mormon-chan, we've got us an epic manga, which would handle all the faq's.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449122
48327444,48340159,2015-07-21 03:26:23,">>48340115
>Hurr Japan
>Hurr Kong
I'm not sure if redditor or weaboo. Last time I was on your shithole you sure sucked asian micropenis.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449183
48327444,48340174,2015-07-21 03:26:53,">>48340067
>Christian, western values.
Fuck off with your sandnigger historical revisionism.",,Anonymous,plato.jpg,dbbJN6EU5Q9nTrLaFMTPFA==,US,,1437449213
48327444,48340190,2015-07-21 03:27:47,"YES
I FINALLY UNCOVERED THE TRUTH.
PROFFESING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME FOOLS.
Romans 1:22",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449267
48327444,48340200,2015-07-21 03:28:05,">>48340159
>H-he proved me wrong
>What do I do? Fuck
>I know! I'll call him a weeb!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449285
48327444,48340208,2015-07-21 03:28:21,">>48339945
>Look, everybody with half a brain can realize you came here after Pao shat your site up.(She's gone now, you can fuck off)
That's a nice way of saying you're not going to address my point, faggot. Reddit has always sucked massive cock and has nothing to do with this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449301
48327444,48340217,2015-07-21 03:28:38,">>48340190
Forgot pic
>>48340174
>Historical revisionism
You are either a redditor or tumblrite",,Anonymous,Foundthekikes.jpg,euP0WT/mOL2Nw6YIOsWARQ==,RO,,1437449318
48327444,48340229,2015-07-21 03:29:13,">>48328049
>Needing to read books to convince yourself of your lack of belief
Are you making a religion out of lack of religion, buddy?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449353
48327444,48340233,2015-07-21 03:29:20,">>48340111
I could maybe get away with it on /v/ or /tv/, but /pol/ is not the place for that. Might I redirect you to /a/? Hit up a thread about Umaru-chan, it might be more your speed.
This thread is about the practical applications of fedoras, as well as the nutritional value of consuming only Mountain Dew and Doritos for the sake of laying the nastiest shits on some retard's ""holy"" books.",,Anonymous,1416625027319.gif,iffK0+5Fi9Ef3VUBxk9Lqg==,US,,1437449360
48327444,48340234,2015-07-21 03:29:22,"ITT: People wasting their time believing their proposed faggotry is some kind of accomplishment. 
Jesus said don't give attention to atheists",,my middle name is christian,,,US,,1437449362
48327444,48340260,2015-07-21 03:30:14,">>48340131
Did something trigger you, Icemom?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449414
48327444,48340274,2015-07-21 03:30:39,">>48340067
>American christian are mostly protestants. Cuck.
My wife's plenty faithful, thanks. In the case of Catholicism, look at how well its done for preventing Mexico from being a shithole of violence and degeneracy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449439
48327444,48340295,2015-07-21 03:31:24,">>48340274
The fact that shitskins can't stop from doing drugs has nothing to do with The Church.
Niggers gonna nig.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449484
48327444,48340324,2015-07-21 03:32:33,">>48340190
So all these Christians that think they know than atheists are fools?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449553
48327444,48340328,2015-07-21 03:32:37,">>48340260
>Militant atheist
>Pedophile
>RELIGION IS DEGENERATE XDDDD",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449557
48327444,48340359,2015-07-21 03:33:50,">>48339760
>hedonism is stopped by any kind of moral code. 
>These tend to gain ""logical"" weight if you add religion to them.
>>48340295
>The fact that shitskins can't stop from doing drugs has nothing to do with The Church.
Amazing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449630
48327444,48340360,2015-07-21 03:33:51,">>48340324
Have an upvote :˄)",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449631
48327444,48340427,2015-07-21 03:36:21,">>48340359
It's up to the shitskin whether he does drugs or not.
You can have:
>Doing drugs is bad due to dangerous side-effects
or
>Doing drugs is bad due to dangerous side-effects and Divinity shall punish you if you willingly harm yourself
It's up to Pablo to do drugs or not.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449781
48327444,48340456,2015-07-21 03:37:31,">>48340427
So in the end, moral codes don't actually stop hedonism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449851
48327444,48340471,2015-07-21 03:38:23,">>48340456
Yes and no.
Some people are willing to stop if you tell them to. Others not.
Religion broadens the category that is willing to listen to the laws.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437449903
48327444,48340508,2015-07-21 03:39:53,">>48340295
So Christian morality, in fact, doesn't work at stopping degeneracy. Cool.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437449993
48327444,48340528,2015-07-21 03:40:53,">>48340508
If I donate you enough karma will you learn to read?
>>48340471",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437450053
48327444,48340566,2015-07-21 03:42:23,What's the difference between theists and schizos again?,,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437450143
48327444,48340586,2015-07-21 03:43:11,">>48327444
>How did your loved ones react when they found out you didn't believe?
I'm not shitting you. They used Pascal's wager at me. After a decade of debating with people online, learning all the canned responses to the most common arguments, and studying to figure out why it was so ""obvious"" to everyone that God exists, for several years feeling ashamed and insecure about my skepticism like everyone else was seeing something I didn't see.
I couldn't even face the heartbreak of shutting them down with a long practiced flip of the fedora. I just stared at them blankly, and very calmly said, ""Good point.""
My family wasn't very religious anyway, so it's not like I was drug into church or forced to say grace before a meal. Life went on as normal, and very slowly I started taking pleasure in patronizing them like they were young children who still believed that Santa Claus would put presents under the tree if they behaved and coal in the stockings of the kids who are mean to them, that fairies have tea parties in the garden, their stuffed animals have feelings, and Grandma and their childhood dog Max are awaiting their arrival in heaven.
I came to realize that the biggest thing which gets under the skin of the legitimately faithful is an atheist who pretends to be Christian and plays along with them for materialistic and worldly reasons, as if the promise of eternal life for not being a shithead and the looming threat of eternal suffering from an omniscient superbeing is the only thing that keeps them from kidnapping, raping, and murdering children and small animals.
Thus, /pol/ is a Christian board. Find Jesus, heathen scum.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437450191
48327444,48340587,2015-07-21 03:43:14,">>48340566
That you should fuck off to reddit, Pablo.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437450194
48327444,48340639,2015-07-21 03:45:20,">>48340587
>I can't tell the difference",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437450320
48327444,48340668,2015-07-21 03:46:35,">>48340639
Have you found the upvote button yet?
Here's a hint: If you delete system 32 a lot of features pop up on this site. Give it a go.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437450395
48327444,48340712,2015-07-21 03:48:56,">>48340668
You're not funny, Icemom.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437450536
48327444,48340717,2015-07-21 03:49:09,">>48340668
>being this buttblasted
Have fun shitposting with your maymays.",,Anonymous,1386260927429.jpg,zqPhm2kfL3Crs0XHKdpzUg==,PR,,1437450549
48327444,48340751,2015-07-21 03:50:34,">>48340712
Neither is pedophillia funny
>>48340717
Man, you should really make a Scumbag Steve of all the christards here following g-d
Also make a Good Guy Greg with all the wise atheists in here.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1437450634
48327444,48341302,2015-07-21 04:12:03,">>48340528
I did read your post. Its a copout, since religious people aren't ""less hedonistic"" or whatever, however you care to rate it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437451923
48327444,48341326,2015-07-21 04:13:09,">>48327444
My mom got miffed, then in a couple years became an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437451989
48378006,48378006,2015-07-21 21:27:19,"Feel free to ask questions. Discuss atheism, agnosticism, and secular living. 
To artists: New sketches and images of Fedora-chan are very adorable and appreciated, you should totally draw her! 
Today's thread question: What are your political views?",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437365057798.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1437514039
48378006,48378053,2015-07-21 21:28:35,">>48378006
I'm agnostic/nihilist and centre-left.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514115
48378006,48378109,2015-07-21 21:29:58,post more of fedora chan plz,,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437514198
48378006,48378140,2015-07-21 21:30:39,">>48378006
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437514239
48378006,48378154,2015-07-21 21:31:05,">>48378006
Zionist
>inb4 b8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514265
48378006,48378181,2015-07-21 21:31:37,">>48378006
Libertarian
Relevent 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINa22UR0S4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514297
48378006,48378186,2015-07-21 21:31:42,">>48378140
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437514302
48378006,48378208,2015-07-21 21:32:14,">>48378186
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437514334
48378006,48378245,2015-07-21 21:33:02,">>48378208
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437514382
48378006,48378282,2015-07-21 21:33:55,">>48378006
A thread of angry back-and-forth arguing, memes, strawmen/ad-hominem insults, and general bitterness awaits.
Bye.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437514435
48378006,48378375,2015-07-21 21:36:22,">>48378181
Love that video :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514582
48378006,48378403,2015-07-21 21:37:05,">>48378282
But that's fun.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514625
48378006,48378415,2015-07-21 21:37:17,Is it possible to be an atheist and conservative? All of the Atheists I've met have been VERY left leaning.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514637
48378006,48378423,2015-07-21 21:37:27,">>48378006
i'm an atheist, but honestly, don't waste your time. these threads aren't going to work.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514647
48378006,48378478,2015-07-21 21:38:54,">>48378415
Yes. Unfortunately, Christians have infiltrated the Republican party and infected it with theology. It turns off many secularists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514734
48378006,48378480,2015-07-21 21:38:57,">>48378415
see video >>48378181",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514737
48378006,48378556,2015-07-21 21:41:01,">>48378423
>these threads aren't going to work.
We've gotten 300+ replies in every general I've posted",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437514861
48378006,48378697,2015-07-21 21:44:30,Posting this now before everyone claims we are all hedonists/nihilists/moral relativists/liberal/muslim,,Anonymous,values.png,vp+ss8HFYZqOCdlYIbJpDg==,US,,1437515070
48378006,48378698,2015-07-21 21:44:32,">>48378556
have they been actually productive? /pol/ being as right as it is, atheists don't seem to be too well-liked around here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515072
48378006,48378810,2015-07-21 21:47:11,">>48378698
I've learned a ton from them, and I've seen people going from compelety ignorant about what atheism is too quite informed. Philosophy, politics, science, and personal lives flood these threads",,Anonymous,ztx77iknqkk8tksbouojiw.png,H0MA9XqC7EJWIe5jbNyr9Q==,US,,1437515231
48378006,48379010,2015-07-21 21:51:57,"Answer to: ""If There Is No God, Why Do You Argue About Him So Much?""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqK4TM97ZCE",,Anonymous,transform2.jpg,tNgAdcJ+v9sAjxF2820ndA==,US,,1437515517
48378006,48379041,2015-07-21 21:52:37,">>48378810
Oh, good then. So many are quick to jump on the ""muh degeneracy!!1"" train that I didn't think anything good would come from these.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515557
48378006,48379082,2015-07-21 21:53:43,">>48378006
whats the best party for an athiest to vote. 
I always vote democrat and hope for best, if enough people do, eventually both parties will keep sliding more left to stay relevant",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515623
48378006,48379109,2015-07-21 21:54:22,">>48379082
>2015
>not voting Libertarian",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515662
48378006,48379147,2015-07-21 21:55:10,"there is almost nothing to discuss here
there is no empirical evidence for the existence of the deity of any specific human religion, and those who believe in those religions are demonstrably not swayed by this fact because it is taken on faith and rationality only functions to reinforce the belief
because atheism has literally no tenets other than ""god doesn't exist"" political conversation really doesn't need to be framed in its context",,Anonymous,109.gif,pCEL/6yxQOYfbT2p0g157A==,US,,1437515710
48378006,48379151,2015-07-21 21:55:19,">>48379082
There is no good answer to this. You need to figure out what is important to you and vote for people that share those values.",,Anonymous,transform4.png,k4H9jl1EivEAY+XRit0n5A==,US,,1437515719
48378006,48379204,2015-07-21 21:56:50,">>48379147
Most people (like 70%) base their entire world view around Christianity. 
When you become an atheist and lose Christianity, your entire world view must change. 
What is yours? That is worth discussing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515810
48378006,48379234,2015-07-21 21:57:38,">>48379204
>His ID is GAY",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437515858
48378006,48379293,2015-07-21 21:59:05,">>48379234
Woah",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515945
48378006,48379303,2015-07-21 21:59:12,">>48379204
Actually, yes, when people convert from religion to the lack of it (or vice versa) something very similar to what happens when people switch political ideologies occur. They are still ideologies though and function as such.
I'm anti-life.
>>48379234
By far the best post in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437515952
48378006,48379333,2015-07-21 21:59:53,"I got a question I have asked before in atheist threads, and was either totally ignored or not taken seriously. I don't know why to be honest. I don't really want to debate this question, I just want your honest answer.
What is your argument against Pantheism?
>Pantheism is the belief that the Universe (or Nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God. Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god.
The big reason why I really want to hear an answer to that question is because, while pantheism is nearly the total opposite of atheism, due to it not being connected to any religion or doctrines, it shouldn't bother atheists at all. It's the closest to a nihilistic belief in God as possible, because while it still believes in a God-like force that holds the universe together, it generally sees God as incapable of or not bothering to care for any individual or even the human race or Earth.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437515993
48378006,48379412,2015-07-21 22:01:54,">>48379333
It's an arbitrary way of describing the observable in a more spiritual context. There's nothing objectively wrong with it except that it's redundant and inherently unprovable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437516114
48378006,48379419,2015-07-21 22:02:11,">>48379333
I don't see any reason to refer to the universe as ""god"", except for poetic reasons. We already have a word for the universe. Pantheism solves a problem that isn't there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437516131
48378006,48379508,2015-07-21 22:04:25,">>48379333
To be a pantheist you must regard nature as divine. There's nothing about it suggesting it's divine. Scientists may be drawn to it, if I'm not mistaken Michio Kaku is a pantheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437516265
48378006,48379550,2015-07-21 22:05:26,"Awesome animation describing the big bang to now, animated by Minute Physics and narrated by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYTJ8tBoZ8",,Anonymous,UVKvlUD.jpg,+2KlM6OSQejcBqii7Xhjbw==,US,,1437516326
48378006,48379563,2015-07-21 22:05:52,">>48379412
>>48379419
these",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437516352
48378006,48379873,2015-07-21 22:13:06,">>48378245
>Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Just got it today :D",,Anonymous,2015-07-21 19.12.06.jpg,csOEX6+kcDvJYBx81J+fqg==,US,,1437516786
48378006,48379990,2015-07-21 22:15:51,">>48379873
Noice :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437516951
48378006,48380043,2015-07-21 22:17:18,">>48379412
>>48379419
>>48379508
I find it so interesting how pantheists and atheists share the same rejection of religion and dogma, yet are polar opposites. You figured they'd get along. Pantheists tend to be the cooler ones in this deal though, because many I've spoken to see atheism as a perfectly valid and truthful belief in response to a pantheistic God.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437517038
48378006,48380096,2015-07-21 22:18:26,">>48380043
Atheism, agnostic atheism in any case, doesn't make any assumptions. Pantheism does. I don't particularly care about pantheists, though, they're irrelevant and as mentioned redundant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517106
48378006,48380144,2015-07-21 22:19:40,">>48380043
If you are a legit pantheist then I'm just going to call you an atheist. There is no functional difference besides vocabulary they use when talking about the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517180
48378006,48380282,2015-07-21 22:23:15,">>48380144
I've never said my belief nor feel the need to.
I've just rarely heard atheists seriously tackle pantheism, at least online. So far the best response on here is the often touted 'They're irrelevant, redundant, and unprovable', which is the usual 'Not taking them seriously' response I get on here.
I've heard some very eloquent arguments from academic atheists though, but I'll leave those to myself.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437517395
48378006,48380311,2015-07-21 22:24:04,"You dumb atheists. There is no argument against intelligent design. And no, I don't mean for explaining life and evolution. I mean at a much deeper scale. The very laws of the universe.",,Anonymous,ZG0Kvct21.png,8YGyELZqptDPz14mT1tCRA==,US,,1437517444
48378006,48380384,2015-07-21 22:26:21,">>48379333
Because 99% of the time it's a lazy copout. ""Hurr hurr Aquinas proved Catholicism because 'Yahweh' is actually 'the universe' XD"". 
>>48379147
Buddhism and Taoism can get away with it. Sort of. Confucianism is entirely secular however.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517581
48378006,48380404,2015-07-21 22:26:50,">>48380282
>They're irrelevant, redundant, and unprovable
Do you have any reasons to think they aren't these things? We've stated our reasons for thinking what we do about them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517610
48378006,48380423,2015-07-21 22:27:17,">>48380311
>if the universe tends to operate in these observable ways it must be God's fault",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517637
48378006,48380435,2015-07-21 22:27:44,">>48380384
Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism have tenets, though. Atheism is not a philosophy, it is an assumption about one thing and one thing only.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517664
48378006,48380485,2015-07-21 22:29:04,">>48380435
But atheists have a philosophy, and that is worth discussing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517744
48378006,48380505,2015-07-21 22:29:41,">>48380485
No, we have philosophies, plural.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517781
48378006,48380564,2015-07-21 22:31:21,">>48380505
So what is anti life? And why did you choose that to be your world view?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517881
48378006,48380584,2015-07-21 22:31:54,">tfw an atheist libertarian
>tfw I talk to americans they only support a smaller government and things like homeschooling so the church can be more powerful and so they can indoctrinate their kids",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437517914
48378006,48380634,2015-07-21 22:33:18,">>48380584
>homeschooling so the church can be more powerful and so they can indoctrinate their kids
This happened to me actually. So glad to be out of that mess (even though I was kicked out at 16)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437517998
48378006,48380704,2015-07-21 22:35:08,">>48380564
Suffering is the only thing I can objectively observe as negative because I experience it and dislike it. Since I make the assumption that other human beings and animals and so forth experience suffering similarly based on their outward projections (although this isn't 100% empirically verifiable) I've determined that the only moral thing to do is to reduce all suffering to absolute 0, and that logically requires an end to life itself.
I came up with it because when I was younger I could never limit the scope of my empathy adequately and would feel bad whenever I heard about anything bad happening anywhere and ultimately realized that if people just stopped having babies there'd be nobody left for bad things to happen to. 
Anyway implementing my position is logically impossible but without it I consider morality more or less irrelevant because as long as life continues to exist suffering is functionally an infinite quantity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518108
48378006,48380706,2015-07-21 22:35:13,">>48380584
>libertarian from Bongland 
Woah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518113
48378006,48380744,2015-07-21 22:36:13,">>48380704
This sounds rather Schopenhauerian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518173
48378006,48380758,2015-07-21 22:36:34,">>48380404
I said I didn't want to debate. I was just really wanting a more compelling and thoughtful argument against pantheism, but got the same lackadaisical response I usually see on here. At least this place hasn't pulled a reddit and called it 'sexed up atheism'. 
At the same time I am not saying what you said is valid or not. It just tends to be the answer so many atheists settle with before moving on, even though there are much better and compelling arguments against pantheism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437518194
48378006,48380779,2015-07-21 22:37:22,">>48380744
So I've been told. Never read him.
>>48380758
Please do tell us what they are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518242
48378006,48380946,2015-07-21 22:41:51,">>48380704
Yeah this idea has come up in so many places. Buddhism, Schopenhauer, Final Fantasy...
Read some Nietzsche and learn about the affirmation of life bruh. Or just, I dunno, go outside. The world's a really cool place, you don't have to want to get rid of it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518511
48378006,48381033,2015-07-21 22:44:16,">>48380704
I want everyone to know how beautiful this universe is, and our place in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzS39oghcnY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518656
48378006,48381034,2015-07-21 22:44:16,">>48380758
Pantheism, or the concept that ""The universe in its entirety is some form of divinity"" seems pretty nebulous. Most of my experience has been with polytheistic, or monotheistic religions, however it would seem to me that Pantheism is similar to Deism in that there doesn't seem to be a supernatural element to either, Deism being the belief that a deity created the universe through natural processes, and does not interfere miraculously, Pantheism being the belief that the universe and all of its natural process are the divine entity. 
I couldn't argue against pantheism unless a pantheist levied some kind of claim that can be proven or disproven. As it is the concept of the universe being divine isn't easily proven or disproven, at the most I could say the universe isn't divine if divinity is supernatural, because the universe is provably natural and not magical.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518656
48378006,48381049,2015-07-21 22:44:56,">>48380779
I won't. I don't want to take any side on any issue here nor try and influence things too much. I was just trying to act as a somewhat poor moderator, and hoping to either hear something new, or something except for the same old.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437518696
48378006,48381051,2015-07-21 22:44:58,"I will honestly say that I'm not sympathetic to the base of modern irreligious/ anti-spiritual philosophy. 
I distance myself from you people for the following reason: 90% of people out there in our society haven't ever in their lives taken the time or have had the time to examine such things as spirituality and supernatural being. I can confidently say that most people who identify as atheist do so out of laziness or oversight, not because they've considered everything on the table. I know for a fact that most people in these sorts of discussions don't have the intellectual/ philosophical background to make congent discussion on this subject. I mean, im interested and open to ideas, but these environments are more than often toxic echo chambers, with everyone having their minds made up.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437518698
48378006,48381089,2015-07-21 22:45:55,">>48380946
I like my life, actually, and don't really want to end it, being as I am a functional human being without depressive tendencies. I have no idea what the affirmation of life actually states but I'd love to hear your reasoning as to why you think I'm wrong since I'm talking to you, not a dead German.
>>48381033
It is amazing the range of things human beings are capable of perceiving as beautiful, especially when set to gentle piano music. You do you, though.
>>48381049
Selfish, but I understand it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518755
48378006,48381095,2015-07-21 22:46:01,">>48381049
Do you also walk into a science class room and expect to hear something besides the same old ""evolution is true""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518761
48378006,48381245,2015-07-21 22:49:58,">>48378282
Just like the Christian threads!
>>48378006
agnostic, weak atheist, classical liberal/libertarian",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437518998
48378006,48381267,2015-07-21 22:50:39,">>48381034
If you're curious.
>>48381095
For evolution, of course not. But we're in the metaphysical and philosophical here, which lends itself to a wide variety or arguments and discussions regardless of belief.",,Anonymous,4b.jpg,rpJa6ovkNXA/MOcW7tSoOQ==,CA,,1437519039
48378006,48381487,2015-07-21 22:56:01,">>48381267
Ah, so I was mistaken with my characterization of Pantheism, in that I was describing the pantheistic god as the organism in which we all exist, when I should have described it more as a saturating entity. 
Would it be accurate to say its a metaphysical binding field, like The Force in Star Wars? Or is it a sentience, and every lesser sentience is like an individual neuron in its mind, all of our thoughts part of a far greater system?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437519361
48378006,48381534,2015-07-21 22:56:59,">>48378006
Why dont you make your own OC for Atheist threads?
Its kind of in poor taste to copy the one used in Catholic threads and just change the color.
Are Atheist confirmed for lazy and no art skills?",,Anonymous,Screenshot_2014-07-16-15-56-42.jpg,7lr0MnG9LITJ/VBidbFbUg==,CA,,1437519419
48378006,48381538,2015-07-21 22:57:07,">>48381051
The thing is that you truly are a complete moron. Even if it turned out that some ""supernatural"" element to the universe existed, you'd still be a complete moron in hindsight. Your beliefs are based on absolutely no foundation. All you can do is fall back on the unfalsifiable nature of your claims:
>welL yuo cant KNO IM WRONG!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437519427
48378006,48381635,2015-07-21 22:59:32,">>48381051
Most of humanity is that way. you never judge a movement by the masses. you judge it by its most intelligent and exemplary figures",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437519572
48378006,48381690,2015-07-21 23:01:05,">>48381089
Well, the dead German wrote a lot more than I can write in a single comment, but since I'm here, I'll give it a go.
In your comment, you put forth a moral claim: you stated that you should do something. Furthermore, you implied that to *not* do this thing would be unethical, and that if someone claimed that it would actually be ethical to do the *opposite* of what you prescribed, they would be making a false claim. These claims only make sense if you hold a background position, a position called moral realism: the idea that there are objectively true claims about what is or is not moral to do, and that these claims are true regardless of whether anyone believes in them or not.
In contrast to this position, one of the core aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy was that he was a moral anti-realist: he did not believe that that reality provided us with any objectively true moral claims. Perhaps the universe provides us with other objective facts, like ""humans exist"" or ""1 + 1 = 2"" (although both of those claims are very philosophically controversial!), but it does not provide us with any claims of the form ""X is moral"" or ""X is immoral"". He was what many non-philosophers would call a ""subjectivist"" today, except that's not really accurate because ""subjectivism"" is a specific philosophical position that fits more on the realist side of the realism vs. anti-realism debate. You can read http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-anti-realism/ if you want to learn more about this.
So Nietzsche wouldn't feel compelled to provide a direct counter-argument to your claim of ""the only ethical thing to do is to reduce suffering to 0"". He would just say that your project is doomed from the start. You can believe that it is your duty to decrease suffering, or increase suffering, or keep it at a constant level of 58.239, or whatever you want. It doesn't matter, because your belief will be false either way.
(cont.)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437519665
48378006,48381720,2015-07-21 23:02:05,">>48381690
I don't disagree with that. He's right, all I've done is gotten as close to objective as I can empirically observe through my subjective perception.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437519725
48378006,48381824,2015-07-21 23:05:05,">>48381690
Another integral aspect of Nietzsche's philosophy is that, even though values may be baseless, we (sane, healthy people) can't live without them; we have to choose some set of values by which to govern our lives. The main thing his anti-realism implies is that we can't rationally argue ourselves into our preferred set of values, if we're being honest with ourselves; we have to make a fundamentally arbitrary choice about which values to adopt. Granted, it's only arbitrary from a factual, rational perspective, since people generally have their values dictated for them by their own self-interest.
So it's impossible for any rational argument to command you to believe that it is your duty to reduce all suffering to 0. You can simply make the choice to not believe that, and that the world that exists is great and deserves to continue existing, and that choice is rationally unimpeachable, for there is no rationality in the domain of values. Nietzsche spends the better part of his corpus painting a picture of what this choice to affirm life looks like, and he tries to paint it as desirable, but you don't have to agree with him. Ultimately, the choice is yours.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437519905
48378006,48381871,2015-07-21 23:06:10,">>48381487
Yes that is much closer to what many pantheists believe. It isn't just nature worship as some mistakenly believe.
Some atheists like Dawkins have admitted if they ever had a belief in God, it would be closer to 'Einsteinian pantheism' than anything else. Einstein has expressed pantheistic beliefs in such quotes as:
>I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. 
>The most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science. If there is any such concept as a God, it is a subtle spirit, not an image of a man that so many have fixed in their minds. In essence, my religion consists of a humble admiration for this illimitable superior spirit that reveals itself in the slight details that we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. 
>The cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest motive for scientific research. Only those who realize the immense efforts and, above all, the devotion without which pioneer work in theoretical science cannot be achieved are able to grasp the strength of the emotion out of which alone such work, remote as it is from the immediate realities of life, can issue. What a deep conviction of the rationality of the universe and what a yearning to understand… It is cosmic religious feeling that gives a man such strength.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437519970
48378006,48381944,2015-07-21 23:08:40,">>48381824
Nothing Nietzsche as you've presented him says is wrong. Well, except for the ""you can make a choice"" part since you can't make a choice about anything. But that said, it's obscenely boring; by design it doesn't allow for debate since its premise is that debate is useless since all value is arbitrary.",,Anonymous,1402778200001.jpg,wrBiwRKV+dKCsXUsMIoqEA==,US,,1437520120
48378006,48382250,2015-07-21 23:17:34,">>48381944
Well, ""make a choice"" has to be taken figuratively. I agree with you that there's no free will, as did Nietzsche.
As for there being ""no debate""... well, there's more debate to be had than there looks. You could simply attack his premise that moral anti-realism is true, and there's an unending debate in itself. And if you decide that you're intellectually satisfied in being a moral realist, you can have all the moral debate you want until the end of time.
But assuming we stick with Nietzsche's picture of morality. You can still debate over things like, whether your system of values helps you reach some goal you've decided on, or whether potential new values are consistent with older values that you've designated as more fundamental. The place where arbitrariness is most prone to enter the picture is in deciding what your most fundamental values are, the ones by which you anchor everything else. Of course, you can also just say ""fuck it"" and hold a wildly outlandish and self-contradictory system of values, and while that may turn out really bad for you, at least no one can say that your beliefs are ""false"".
As for ""boring""... all in how you look at it, I guess. It either liberates humanity for infinite experimentation, or eliminates one of our greatest sources of challenge, the possibility of measuring our most cherished beliefs against the immutable standard of Truth. Take your pick.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437520654
48378006,48382366,2015-07-21 23:20:15,">>48381871
I'd agree, if I were a more spiritually inclined person, in that if I felt more of a desire to have that sort of mystical sensation then pantheism or deism would be my default. 
In general though, I tend to be grounded in the materialistic, and less inclined to have or want to have spiritual experiences. The closest thing to religious euphoria I've ever experienced has been learning and discussing new things, or during the times when I simply sit quietly and think about the universe in general.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437520815
48378006,48382449,2015-07-21 23:22:37,">>48382250
I don't disagree with anti-realism for the same reason I don't disagree with solipsism and for the same reason I'm an atheist. There isn't a logical impeachment of any of those positions. But because of that they are very, very boring. See, when I'm not expressing my intellectual moral position that I explained above, I'm a massive hedonist, exclusively interested in doing things that I personally enjoy, and 90% of those things involve discussing things that are not boring to me (the other 10% involve my penis). I personally don't see any way to argue against anti-realism, so it doesn't matter to me. The reason I expressed the philosophy I previously did is because, like I said, it's relatively close to objective, but also because people tend to disagree with it and that's a fun conversation to have.
Instead, I am bored and you have said things that Nietzsche previously said that I had already thought about and stopped thinking about because they're way too tautological to be worth debating. But I appreciate the effort.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437520957
48378006,48382503,2015-07-21 23:24:16,">>48381534
see >>48378186
>>48378208
>>48378245
>>48378140",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437521056
48378006,48382570,2015-07-21 23:26:17,">>48382449
Not a problem. I wish you well!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437521177
48378006,48382601,2015-07-21 23:27:09,">>48381871
>I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. 
Funny thing is, pre-Enlightenment thinkers and Catholic theologians would assume the former part too. What he's talking about is the ""analogy of being"". His logic is strange, though, as God reveals himself in the order of the universe does not seem to care about humanity despite being part of the universe. This can be understood, I guess, as a denial of free will and assuming that any apparent ""lack of harmony"" is just a misjudgement of what true harmony there is. Or it's some poor deist view.
>>The most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science. If there is any such concept as a God, it is a subtle spirit, not an image of a man that so many have fixed in their minds. In essence, my religion consists of a humble admiration for this illimitable superior spirit that reveals itself in the slight details that we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. 
>
>>The cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest motive for scientific research. Only those who realize the immense efforts and, above all, the devotion without which pioneer work in theoretical science cannot be achieved are able to grasp the strength of the emotion out of which alone such work, remote as it is from the immediate realities of life, can issue. What a deep conviction of the rationality of the universe and what a yearning to understand… It is cosmic religious feeling that gives a man such strength.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437521229
48378006,48382627,2015-07-21 23:27:56,">>48382570
Yeah the problem here is that we agree on everything. Que lastima. I think that's the reason I didn't bother entering this thread, nobody ever replies to my ideas unless they basically agree anyway and there's nowhere else to go.
I should go hang out in the christian generals instead.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437521276
48378006,48382801,2015-07-21 23:32:43,">>48382503
For the record I'm not Atheist I found Secular-Chan cute. I want to convert her.",,Anonymous,Untitled-1.png,i1tnYbWlOEgTaXzzq7A7DA==,US,,1437521563
48378006,48384503,2015-07-22 00:16:56,">>48382503
talking about
>>48379151
>>48379010
>>48378006",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437524216
48434031,48434031,2015-07-22 21:44:02,"Discuss, ask questions, be polite. 
Today's thread question: What are you doing to spread atheism?",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437583759165.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1437601442
48434031,48434240,2015-07-22 21:48:15,Why do these autistic threads exist? What do you hope to gain from discussing atheism? As an atheist myself I can safely say that you faggots are the ones giving the rest of us a bad name.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437601695
48434031,48434338,2015-07-22 21:50:26,We need more secular-chan,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437601826
48434031,48434424,2015-07-22 21:51:59,">>48434240
We have a bad name because >70% of people are Christian, and Christians think we are the devil",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437601919
48434031,48434441,2015-07-22 21:52:14,Who else here /enlightened by their own intelligence/ ?,,Anonymous,autism3.jpg,N6S44thVb3jOk2ePq3FsKw==,AU,,1437601934
48434031,48434484,2015-07-22 21:53:13,">>48434338
Great idea",,Anonymous,1437593134439.png,cBZu0yGIQM5BriJiiaHzdA==,US,,1437601993
48434031,48434541,2015-07-22 21:54:12,">>48434031
Fuck off fedora
Why did the big bang happen?
Atheism can't explain that",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1437602052
48434031,48434665,2015-07-22 21:56:49,">>48434541
>why
You mean ""how""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437602209
48434031,48434719,2015-07-22 21:57:53,">>48434031
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437602273
48434031,48434752,2015-07-22 21:58:45,">>48434719
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437602325
48434031,48434786,2015-07-22 21:59:33,">>48434031
>What are you doing to spread atheism?
Pony avatar on Steam",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437602373
48434031,48434792,2015-07-22 21:59:43,">>48434031
Can you fuck off with these threads? I'm an atheist, and I'm sick of these threads. All you are doing is promoting a fedora stereotype meme and provoking some religious folks for no good reason. These threads achieve nothing. People won't change the way they think. Fuck you.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437602383
48434031,48434806,2015-07-22 21:59:54,">>48434752
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437602394
48434031,48434833,2015-07-22 22:00:16,,,Anonymous,cave_myth.jpg,PmcmsBly1NM8PHlMdxOgGQ==,US,,1437602416
48434031,48434851,2015-07-22 22:00:37,">>48434833
Made a follow up. What do you think?",,Anonymous,Our perspective.jpg,xvAWB9HB6gEeeu8njduA4A==,US,,1437602437
48434031,48434885,2015-07-22 22:01:03,">>48434792
>People won't change the way they think",,Anonymous,GallupNones.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1437602463
48434031,48434929,2015-07-22 22:01:55,">>48434806
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437602515
48434031,48434985,2015-07-22 22:02:48,"Reminder that Christians formulated the Big Bang theory, Quantum Mechanics and the Genetic theory of inheritance and it only strengthened their faith in all 3 cases
>yfw all the science you worship was the result of people who believed in God",,Anonymous,Heisenberg.jpg,kRFvR+CTFnpIefUrFMyMXg==,AU,,1437602568
48434031,48435035,2015-07-22 22:03:27,">>48434851
It's perfect! :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437602607
48434031,48435119,2015-07-22 22:04:56,">>48434885
So it went from 94 percent to 85 percent in 20 years. Really fucking impressive, you ass. One day you'll grow up and realize that those people were always there, the Internet gives them visibility now. And that is barely enough of a difference to scratch the surface.
These threads achieve nothing. People don't give up their religion, almost ever. Religion is a system that gives society a moral code. It absolutely, positively will never go away.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437602696
48434031,48435132,2015-07-22 22:05:12,">>48434985
>Heisenberg
>A devout Lutheran from birth
You realize that psychology tricks and social engineering work on scientists too, right?",,Anonymous,transform2.jpg,tNgAdcJ+v9sAjxF2820ndA==,US,,1437602712
48434031,48435184,2015-07-22 22:06:01,">>48434424
No, they're think you're annoying edgy teens.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437602761
48434031,48435440,2015-07-22 22:11:30,">>48435132
>using an edited christ-chan to (poorly) arguing against a proved fact
here's the real, unedited and original christ-chan my fedora friend, and remember, Jesus loves you",,Anonymous,1432761216181.png,n8UoWbG8g1+XLbOUZlni5w==,MX,,1437603090
48434031,48435443,2015-07-22 22:11:35,">>48434031
isnt this supposed to be a drawthread?
we already got one stop making more than 2
>discussing atheism in /pol/
>>/sci/
>>/r9k/
>>/co/",,Anonymous,,,MY,,1437603095
48434031,48435485,2015-07-22 22:12:30,">>48435440
>art without religion/spirituality
/pol/ is always right",,Anonymous,art-then-art-now.jpg,pv4LsaOaEeIVubE7e8AvPw==,SE,,1437603150
48434031,48435505,2015-07-22 22:12:59,">>48435119
It's like you don't even know what a trend is.",,Anonymous,religion-gallup-none.jpg,p3lrFzgTvxPKul+8L9y2CQ==,US,,1437603179
48434031,48435509,2015-07-22 22:13:06,">>48435440
Pretty sure most of Christ-chan is taken from imagecaps of Kotoura-san and then drawn over
Though ""Fedora-chan"" is literally fucking retarded, proves atheists can't make anything",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437603186
48434031,48435647,2015-07-22 22:16:36,">>48435509
There are a growing number of original drawings. See the top of the thread 
>>48434031
>>48434484
>>48434719
>>48434752
>>48434806
>>48434929",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437603396
48434031,48435745,2015-07-22 22:18:29,">>48435647
>original
That's literally just shitty fan drawings paint-bucketed into vampire colours, and then a fedora crappily drawn on",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1437603509
48434031,48435792,2015-07-22 22:19:27,">>48434985
Stop believing god now you retarded nigger",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437603567
48434031,48435872,2015-07-22 22:21:13,">>48434851
Most excellent. Much more comprehensive and much less confusing. Keep spreading the positive message of Nietzsche :-)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437603673
48434031,48436108,2015-07-22 22:26:14,1/2,,Anonymous,US-Murder-Rtae-map.jpg,HrFkgYhGqx/WGuBbAxF+NA==,US,,1437603974
48434031,48436131,2015-07-22 22:26:38,">>48436108
2/2",,Anonymous,ztx77iknqkk8tksbouojiw.png,H0MA9XqC7EJWIe5jbNyr9Q==,US,,1437603998
48434031,48436305,2015-07-22 22:30:31,">>48436108
>>48436131
Why are christians so murderous?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437604231
48434031,48436549,2015-07-22 22:35:45,">>48436305
They think premarital sex and murder will result in the same punishment, hell. They don't see any reason to not murder then ask forgiveness",,Anonymous,1436917961906.png,vhnNFonvE2BcXyKAWmWDLQ==,US,,1437604545
48434031,48436858,2015-07-22 22:43:13,">>48436108
before people start claiming it it just blacks causing this, blacks are overwhelmingly religious",,Anonymous,religious_blacks.jpg,WnuKnrydSkqJH1DWCeLkdw==,US,,1437604993
48434031,48436900,2015-07-22 22:44:03,">>48436108
>>48436131
>>48436305
>>48436549
>completely denying the messages of your messiah",,Anonymous,1437095122025.jpg,RRaZtnht4a0hamW5BZHBVw==,SE,,1437605043
48434031,48436921,2015-07-22 22:44:40,">>48434985
>But the scientists where Christian
And geometry was invented by a guy who fucking thought Zeus was real. This is irrelevant.
>Quantum Mechanics
This is the exact opposite of Aquina's theory which says that objects cannot move on their on. In Quantom mechanics all objects move on their own. All objects are energy that vibrates.
>Big Bang Theory
Christians used to believe the earth was only a few thousand years old. The shift from young earth Christianity to the big bang being real (the Pope only acknowledged it a few years ago) is not the result of studying scripture but simply Christians yielding to overwhelming evidence.
>Genetic Theory
The original Christian idea was that your identity was in your soul. Your soul was a spirit thing trapped in your body. All spirit things comes from God.
This is the opposite of genetics in which the mind and body are in fact the same thing and neither come from the spirit world.
Christians have been wrong on so many things in science. Saint Augestine thought that morning wood was caused by demons ""There were too many attacks by incubi to deny them. He stated""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus
They are trying to erase the memory of their unscientific ideas to appease a modern society.
But the simple fact is. If the Christian God must appease the Sciences. Than you have already admitted that God is beneath Science, that he is a lesser power, that he is limited. You are willing to subtract God's power to deny that he could make the earth in 7 days, that he does indeed control the soul, that his fallen angels are incapable of causing an erection. You will continue to deny your God's influence until you are just Deists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437605080
48434031,48437032,2015-07-22 22:47:26,">>48434031
I don't really do anything, my entire close family and all of my friends are atheists. We don't even remotely care about religion even enough to tell people off on it, its just not even remotely part of anything any of us ever do. My friends debated against a young earth creationist once, but that was it.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437605246
48434031,48437141,2015-07-22 22:50:33,">>48437032
You're lucky, man. The US doesn't care too much for our kind. Most want to see us dead. What are elections like there? Are candidates religion put on the spotlight?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437605433
48434031,48437187,2015-07-22 22:51:47,">>48436921
>Being this butthurt the foundation of his beliefs relies on Christian research
Just say thank you.",,Anonymous,1436338825832.jpg,LyPsO+cukV63wl00eEs8wg==,AU,,1437605507
48434031,48437281,2015-07-22 22:54:03,">>48437141
The general idea here is 'vote for the party, not the person' due to how our government structure works. The person who would actually become prime minister isn't as big a focus as it is with presidents, and religion pretty much never has anything to do with any political stuff. We are a pretty secular country, which the US really isn't.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437605643
48434031,48437286,2015-07-22 22:54:08,"I find it both pathetic and ammusing that you would have to create a knock off mascot and shill a shitty general just because you were jelous of the attention that christians were getting here
Truly truly pathetic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437605648
48434031,48437349,2015-07-22 22:55:53,">>48437187
>Christian research
There's nothing Christian about science.
>>48437286
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437605753
48434031,48437458,2015-07-22 22:59:16,">>48437281
>vote for the party, not the person
I'd say we have a pretty similar thing here. A major US religion is very associated with one of those parties, though. So it plays a big part. Lefties have to be quite religious just to appear more centrist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437605956
48434031,48437522,2015-07-22 23:00:53,"why would i spread atheism? religion is a useful tool that has coexisted with societies for thousands of years. what you are concerned with is religious dogma, and the only reason you are concerned with it is because you have a secular leftist dogma. one dogma is not better than another. 
your arguments are based off of the idea that religions as they purport themselves to be are not factually true. but that is also true of history, the victors of battles lived to write history and make themselves the stars.
if you think that you should interfere with how another person chooses to live with because of minor differences, than you are the extremist. 
we must be able to peacefully coexist. this means that religious people should respect the rights of the non-religious to not follow religious rules and norms, while at the same time allowing the religious to segregate into communities that are made up of people with a similar dogma. 
part of your dogma is forced acceptance of other cultures. this is not seen in most cultures around the world. your belief that your view is central or better than other views is equally valid as their view is better than yours. both are opinions, and your personal opinions should not limit the freedom of other people. 
so long story short, i didn't spread my atheism. my lack of belief in a god does not mean that i am right (i am agnostic/atheist), and it does not mean that religion values have no worth or should not be respected. 
i am a liberal, that means i love freedom. including the freedom of other people to separate themselves from the greater community so long as they pay their taxes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606053
48434031,48437591,2015-07-22 23:02:59,">>48437187
Poor atheists. Must be painful when they realize that most of their supposedly proofs that theism is wrong, are actually ideas proposed by Christians.
Daily reminder the big bang theory was originally rejected by atheists because it was perceived as too theist in nature.",,Anonymous,a19.png,JcrEV11XdqFBA9EMHug/Bw==,SE,,1437606179
48434031,48437628,2015-07-22 23:03:59,">>48434985
'Gods' have always been used to fill in holes in human knowledge. We see a world around us, have no idea how it works, and find it most likely that someone is making it that way, as we have no basis for how those things would form without intervention.
However, as we progress, and learn more about how the universe works, we learn the real answers to these questions. Before we knew how the earth was likely formed, our best guess was 'God did it', but now that we have witnessed more of the universe, we have figured out how it actually happened. 
As we discover more, the number of things that could actually be attributed to a God become much fewer in number. To the point that we have to change our idea of what God actually did / does. The fact that we keep needing to retcon the actions of this character in order for them to fit into the universe should make it pretty evident that such a being doesn't exist. (Though of course it is completely impossible to disprove something as vaguely defined as God).",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437606239
48434031,48437672,2015-07-22 23:05:05,">>48437591
>The big bang proves God doesn't exist
If I put a straw-man on a cross, would you worship it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606305
48434031,48437721,2015-07-22 23:06:19,">>48437349
>There's nothing Christian about science.
Except for the fact that the majority of modern civilization depends on things invented by utilizing theories proposed by Christians. Isaac Newton, Leonhard Euler, Max Planck, Warner Heisenberg, Gregor Mendel, Michael Faraday, Kurt Godel.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437606379
48434031,48437734,2015-07-22 23:06:48,">>48437591
You don't need proofs that theism is wrong if theism can't be demonstrated to be correct. We don't answer the question, ""I don't know"" with magic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606408
48434031,48437766,2015-07-22 23:07:56,">>48437628
>Before we knew how the earth was likely formed, our best guess was 'God did it'
This is still true though. The fact that God exerts his influence on the universe through natural law is well known.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437606476
48434031,48437801,2015-07-22 23:08:53,">>48437721
>a scientist can be a christian
>therefore science is christian
And math is polytheistic?",,Anonymous,mufasa.jpg,JRJGw7AIfmt+SqVfYikgAg==,US,,1437606533
48434031,48437810,2015-07-22 23:09:15,">>48437522
other things that are not ""true"" (misrepresent reality in order to further an agenda).
>advertising
>politics
>laws
>feminism
>a lot of science (a lot of garbage science exists)
>health education (specifically food based health education)
all the things listed are private businesses and corporations teaching things by passing measures in the government. public schooling is an indoctrination camp for the leftist ideology. much of what they teach you is misrepresenting the actual truth, and deliberate misrepresentation at that. 
laws, policies, and politics are all a show to pacify the controlled masses. the reality is far different. there are propaganda messages to get you to be a ""good citizen"", to get you to be a ""good worker"" and to get you to believe that your job is to grow up and work for someone else so that you can purchase unnecessary consumer goods for entertainment. 
""western culture"" serves the same role as ""christianity"". neither are based off of facts, both are methods of manipulation, neither are ""true"" both are belief systems and both control your day to day habits and behaviors. 
one is no better than the other in any objective sense..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606555
48434031,48437886,2015-07-22 23:11:34,">>48437801
Just pointing out that 'muh science' is not a refutation of Christianity since many Christians have been on the forefront of scientific discovery, indeed the desire to better know Gods creation has spurred a lot of people into science. Scientific discovery is not incompatable with religion, they actually fit together perfectly with science describing the physical rules of Gods creation and religion describing the spiritual.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437606694
48434031,48437905,2015-07-22 23:12:00,">>48437522
Religion has WAAY too much influence in the US:
> ""In God We Trust"" was printed on the money being in the 1950's. This motto would not pass the lemon test (government shall not promote any religion).
> Although it shouldn't be anybody's business, politicians' religious beliefs are put in the spot light. For example, many claimed Obama is a Muslim and didn't want to vote for him because of that. Romney is a Mormon. The Australian PM is atheist.
>People are trying to throw out science and teach religion in our public schools. Religion has no place in these schools to brainwash our children. School is for learning and evolution is fact, not creationism or ID.
> During holidays, there are posted signs of ""keep Christ in Christmas"" on public/government property. Besides being inaccurate, this will not pass the lemon test.
> Politicians and others are using their religion as bases for laws such as gay marriage and abortion. No religion should be forced on everybody (freedom of religion).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606720
48434031,48437942,2015-07-22 23:13:07,">>48437734
>You don't need proofs that theism is wrong if theism can't be demonstrated to be correct.
That's not how the scientific method works. With that line of reasoning there would exist no theories.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437606787
48434031,48437955,2015-07-22 23:13:28,">>48437886
Why don't they teach about God/Jesus/miracles/Christianity in science classes then?",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437606808
48434031,48437956,2015-07-22 23:13:31,">>48434792
Dont listen to him. Everyone hated the Catholic threads on pol at first.
 Pol is so easily led that if you post enough of these either the nonreligious people will come back or others will join the bandwagon to stay hip.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606811
48434031,48438026,2015-07-22 23:15:22,">>48437942
Theories are based on positive backing. You make an idea, you come up with a way to test the idea for truthfulness, and then you test it rigorously across the board. When it proves itself true it becomes a theory.
With theism, the process seems to be the presentation of the idea, and then full stop. There's no way to test it. You either accept it or you don't. And Atheism is simply not accepting it without proof. You don't need to disprove something that cannot be proven.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437606922
48434031,48438082,2015-07-22 23:17:00,">>48438026
>>48437942
To add to this: A claim must be falsifiable to be seriously considered. 
Also, please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY",,Anonymous,UVKvlUD.jpg,+2KlM6OSQejcBqii7Xhjbw==,US,,1437607020
48434031,48438193,2015-07-22 23:19:20,">>48438026
There is zero empirical evidence for String Theory, yet it has been put forward as a potential 'theory of everything'. It's been tested in so far as it can describe some things with accuracy but how do you test for extra dimensions that are bound up into the space of a quark?
By your reasoning String Theory should be scrapped because it cannot be proven and therefore is false.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437607160
48434031,48438305,2015-07-22 23:22:10,">>48438193
That is correct, string theory is really just a hypothesis. And there are many criticisms of it (I personally don't see it going anywhere)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Criticism
I feel like it will become like aether theory of past one day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437607330
48434031,48438309,2015-07-22 23:22:13,">>48438193
It makes predictions that could potentially be tested once we have better technology.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437607333
48434031,48438319,2015-07-22 23:22:22,">>48438193
Not scrapped, but there's no good reason to think String Theory is the absolute truth of the universe. It's just a good idea.
At best, that's all theism is, a good idea. Atheists just don't believe it is true, because it hasn't been proven in any way at all. String theory is in the same zone. You can tentatively accept it while you test for its truth value, but it is not believed simply because it's a good idea.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437607342
48434031,48438389,2015-07-22 23:24:01,">>48438026
>You either accept it or you don't.
You can either accept it or you can falsify it.
Something does not become untrue until you've proven something different to be true which is in clear violation of what ever the original ""something"" was.
>>48438082
we're speaking about the scientific method, not claims made in a debate",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437607441
48434031,48438391,2015-07-22 23:24:04,">>48438319
>theism 
>a good idea 
No, it's an unfalsifiable claim that explains away everything without explaining itself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437607444
48434031,48438440,2015-07-22 23:25:35,">>48438389
>we're speaking about the scientific method, not claims made in a debate
If the claim is ""God exists"", then you have to provide scientific evidence for that claim. Failing to do so means your claim is baseless, and it falls apart immediately. It should be ignored, like unicorns and faeries.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437607535
48434031,48438466,2015-07-22 23:26:11,">>48434031
This kills the fedora",,Anonymous,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1437607571
48434031,48438492,2015-07-22 23:26:51,">>48438389
>You can either accept it or you can falsify it.
>Something does not become untrue until you've proven something different to be true which is in clear violation of what ever the original ""something"" was.
This is not how anything works at all. You don't just accept everything until you find something to fill the slot. You do realize things can be unknown, right? Not being able to prove something false doesn't make it true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437607611
48434031,48438498,2015-07-22 23:27:05,">>48434031
>whole thread
>36 christian posters
>14 shit posters
>8 actual serious atheist
>3 of them with just ""muh muhh god doesn't exist because i said so"" replies
wtf?",,Anonymous,1423326610744.jpg,zjMrG9NYwCeyNbKzAQiE4Q==,MX,,1437607625
48434031,48438674,2015-07-22 23:31:23,">>48438466
Lol",,Anonymous,QBVSB.gif,qOppbTJnbHrPz1bo2KfbBQ==,US,,1437607883
48434031,48438725,2015-07-22 23:32:41,">>48438440
You've gotten plenty of arguments for a creator i'm sure but as usual you are looking for scientific claims for his existence which both you and I know are impossible as any creator would not operate in the realm of modern science. As he would be have needed to existed outside both time and space itself. Just like trying to find Shakespeare by reading any of his plays. Shakespeare is in a way present in them all but not present in the way Hamlet is or McBeth.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437607961
48434031,48438772,2015-07-22 23:33:56,">>48438492
>You do realize things can be unknown, right? Not being able to prove something false doesn't make it true.
Doesn't make it false either.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437608036
48434031,48438835,2015-07-22 23:35:26,">>48438772
PLEASE WATCH THIS, at least the first few minutes please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437608126
48434031,48438847,2015-07-22 23:35:48,">>48438772
But what reason is that to believe something is true? How is it granted special consideration over the countless other theistic and supernatural claims? If none of them can be falsified, do you just choose a random one to believe because you cannot accept the possibility of it being none of them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437608148
48434031,48438905,2015-07-22 23:37:32,">>48438674
The funny thing is if you added up the deaths caused by all of those things it wouldn't even come close to the number of people who died under communism in the USSR alone.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437608252
48434031,48439039,2015-07-22 23:41:24,">>48438674
The USSR killed more people in 10 years than every Crusade over 1000 years.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437608484
48434031,48439189,2015-07-22 23:45:59,">>48439039
You act as if the defining Characteristic of the soviet union was atheism and not the socialists state. 
your argument is as silly as those who blame the holocaust and nazi's on the Catholic Church",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437608759
48434031,48439243,2015-07-22 23:47:27,">>48438835
It's about how to win a argument. 
You are not obliged to accept what the theist will tell you as absolute truths, as both of you should know there are no ultimate scientific ways to either prove or disprove the claims.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437608847
48434031,48439256,2015-07-22 23:47:55,">>48438674
>Crusades
>not justified
Why do liberals love Islam so much? Is it just because it is practiced by a lot of brown people? 
Also
>civil war
>caused by religion
What the fuck? New Atheism was so stupid. Glad it's dead.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437608875
48434031,48439278,2015-07-22 23:48:27,">>48439189
Eliminating religion is a key part of establishing communist regimes because they rely on supplanting religion and it's moral values with worship of the state. Atheists are far easier to manipulate and convince that they're doing good in the name of the state than a person who believes in the Bible and says ""uuuh, didn't God tell us not to kill""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437608907
48434031,48439375,2015-07-22 23:50:42,">>48439189
Most modern atheists were communists. The rational ""free thinkers"" are a relic of pre-industrial western societies. Only contemporary ""new atheists"" claim to support capitalism for some reason (usually on autistic grounds like ""efficiency"".)",,Anonymous,1435699779156.jpg,DiEMjjTj8Jeh4q0nlhBO4Q==,US,,1437609042
48434031,48439423,2015-07-22 23:52:00,">>48439243
But why believe something if there is nothing proving it to be true? Is it a belief based on personal experience?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437609120
48434031,48439442,2015-07-22 23:52:41,">>48439256
>Civil war was caused by slavery (or state's rights, whatever)
>Slaveowners were Christian
>Therefore slavery caused the civil war
Same logic used to blame famines on atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437609161
48434031,48439453,2015-07-22 23:53:01,">>48439256
>Civil war was caused by slavery (or state's rights, whatever)
>Slaveowners were Christian
>Therefore Christianity caused the civil war
Same logic used to blame famines on atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437609181
48434031,48439638,2015-07-22 23:58:03,">>48438847
>>48439423
By reasoning, philosophy, facts and a sprinkle of faith you'll come to the conclusion that there are certain religions that are more likely to be true than others.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437609483
48434031,48439727,2015-07-23 00:00:45,">>48439638
I don't follow. What reason is there to consider one theism more true than another. How do philosophical considerations make one theism more likely? Isn't faith choosing an arbitrary one and giving it a belief without reason?
I'm just not following this line of thinking at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437609645
48434031,48439843,2015-07-23 00:04:02,">>48439243
Wow, it's like you didn't even watch it. If there is no evidence to believe something exists then it is intellectually dishonest to think it exists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437609842
48434031,48439972,2015-07-23 00:07:33,">>48439727
One religion thinks that the thunder comes from Thor and another does not. From that you can draw the assumption that the religion of Thor is less likely than the other. And on it goes.
>How do philosophical considerations make one theism more likely?
Because that is how philosophy works not only in religion. What you agree philosophically with tends you make you want to follow that philosophical reasoning more than other.
> Isn't faith choosing an arbitrary one and giving it a belief without reason?
If that were true there'd be a lot more major religions in the world.",,Anonymous,d0e.png,Kda0X4krIHjIwXsd9XD62A==,SE,,1437610053
48434031,48440053,2015-07-23 00:09:56,">>48439843
I didn't, sorry. It doesn't spark my interest.
Here let me give you much longer video you can watch.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndkC-vGLBw
Somewhat unrelated to the conversation going on here. But I liked his take on atheism.",,Anonymous,3fd.png,sQ/kG9G364ayAwnCDdegvg==,SE,,1437610196
48434031,48440098,2015-07-23 00:11:23,">>48440053
>I didn't, sorry. It doesn't spark my interest.
It explains perfectly a concept you utterly fail to grasp. In 10 minutes of nice animation, you too can be a less ignorant person.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437610283
48434031,48440109,2015-07-23 00:11:31,">>48439727
>I don't follow. What reason is there to consider one theism more true than another.
I put my faith in the Bible because it's accounts line up pretty well with what we know about that time in history. I can count Islam out because looking at the Qu'ran you can see Allah is very different than the Christian God, it makes more sense to me that the lore of the Bible was co-opted by an Arab to facilitate his conquests than God suddenly did a 180 and said ""Oh murders alright, and you'll totally get some virgins to bone when you get here"". Remember Islam accepts the validity of Jesus teachings and considers him a prophet, Islam is based on Christianity which itself is based on Judaism.
As for Judaism, it's part of Christianity. Jews are people who cling to belief that Jesus wasn't really the savior, but for all intents and purposes the New Testament supplanted the Old Testament and it's entirely arbitrary to say you believe in the God of the old testament while dismissing the events of the New Testament.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437610291
48434031,48440113,2015-07-23 00:11:35,">>48439972
>If that were true there'd be a lot more major religions in the world.
Well, that depends how much you consider the various divergent sects, of which there are thousands, to be separate major religions. All these religions all think they're correct using this method, and I just can't figure how the method can be considered accurate and reliable when there is such inability to come to a consensus by any stretch of the imagination.
What reason aren't you literally any other sect or branch of the faith you accept? I cannot feel intellectually honest to find any one more accurate than another because they are all on the same unfounded ground. They all base themselves on a similar premise, which has literally no supporting reason.
The only reason to be theistic is essentially wishful thinking, and that was never a path to knowing anything for certain, so I can't fathom how people can believe these things with such certainty, to the point I almost think they are all lying about it. Like, they aren't actually certain. They just assert false confidence in their choice of religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437610295
48434031,48440160,2015-07-23 00:12:55,">>48439972
One religion thinks that plants were here before the the sun, and that all the genetic diversity in the world was once crammed into a boat a few thousand years ago
What assumptions should we draw from that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437610375
48434031,48440245,2015-07-23 00:15:30,">>48439972
There are a shitload of religions. Some of them encourage you to convert every chucklefuck you meet, and some of them encourage you to keep it to yourself. Some of them outcompeted others. Do you know what evangelizing is? Have you ever heard of colonialism? Globalization? Christianity is literally a meme that went viral.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437610530
48434031,48440437,2015-07-23 00:20:37,">just can't figure how the method can be considered accurate and reliable when there is such inability to come to a consensus by any stretch of the imagination.
Well I don't think it has to be completely accurate because religions requires faith. 
The case with Christianity is if there would be 100% proven that God exist, there would be no need for faith. If there is no faith then there would be no love for Christ, as with if 100% certainty men would not believe and follow his teachings out of love or agreement but instead because of obedience/fear as they fear and know what will happen otherwise.
>>48440160
You should draw the assumption that those believing that are somewhat ignorant. But i'm not here defending all religions.",,Anonymous,1433447276302.jpg,8j5hYcY2VL5rZR+Ke0d5+Q==,SE,,1437610837
48434031,48440452,2015-07-23 00:20:54,">>48440109
So... you believe the entirety of the Bible because parts of it represent true events. You rule out other religions while assuming one must be true, ignoring the possibility that none are. Literally no other aspect of life is evaluated for truth like this. Why is theism such a convoluted thought process to believe in?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437610854
48434031,48440484,2015-07-23 00:21:41,">>48440437
Top was supposed to be to >>48440113",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437610901
48434031,48440561,2015-07-23 00:23:27,REDDIT NIGGERS FUCK YOU,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437611007
48434031,48440642,2015-07-23 00:25:22,">>48440437
>Well I don't think it has to be completely accurate because religions requires faith. 
>The case with Christianity is if there would be 100% proven that God exist, there would be no need for faith. If there is no faith then there would be no love for Christ, as with if 100% certainty men would not believe and follow his teachings out of love or agreement but instead because of obedience/fear as they fear and know what will happen otherwise.
This makes no sense at all. Faith is belief without reason. Of course having evidence for theism would exclude the need for faith, because faith by definition is believing for no reason! If there's no faith, there's no love for Christ? Why? What is faith but believing without anything to support your belief? You are loving an abstract idea that you believe in because you believe in it. It's circular. 
If there is no reason to believe it's true, why should it be considered virtuous to believe it is true and accept it on faith, accepting on faith that faith is good? It's just not even starting to make sense. You seem to start with the assumption that a religion must be true and that faith is good and necessary to believe in a religion and practice a religion. I don't follow why this assumption is made. Just trying to follow the logic sends the whole idea in circles.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437611122
48434031,48440861,2015-07-23 00:31:10,">>48440642
>Faith is belief without reason.
Fucking nigger just fuck you and your 3rd grade understanding of everything. Just fucking fuck off from /pol/ back to your reddit shithole.
>>48440437
>The case with Christianity is if there would be 100% proven that God exist, there would be no need for faith.
You are wrong. Lets say, if God would be proven 100% true then there's still the problem that there's no actual reason why people should care about him. Only in this instance the concept of faith comes into play. It does not come earlier, as a substitute for physical evidence, into play.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437611470
48434031,48440994,2015-07-23 00:34:36,">>48440861
>there's no actual reason why people should care about him
The omnipotent creator being proven to exist isn't a reason?
tbh lad you sound like a very salty kraut.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437611676
48434031,48441033,2015-07-23 00:36:06,">>48434031
>What are you doing to spread atheism?
Daily reminder that the biggest thing to get under the skin of a legitimately faithful Christian, more than an edgy faggot running around busting sick fedora tricks, is an atheist who pretends to be Christian for worldly, materialistic reasons, patronizing them as if they are young children who still believe that Santa Claus will leave presents under their tree if they behave themselves and coal in the stockings of the kids who are mean to them.
Which is why all atheists everywhere should do just that and drop hints about it all over the place.
>Face it, son. Father created a bunch of idiots.
>The least you could do is let them kill in the hopes that they might realize themselves as the assholes they are.",,Anonymous,Temptation_of_Christ.jpg,Vf2fl0hB4IzoziD3gtS6sA==,US,,1437611766
48434031,48441078,2015-07-23 00:37:17,">>48440642
>because faith by definition is believing for no reason!
I don't agree with that. Just like scientific theories a lot of times in the absolute end requires some faith, that doesn't mean everything about is without reason.
>If there is no reason to believe it's true
There are plenty. Questions on why there is something instead of nothing. Miracles. The Bible. History. Facts. Philosophical truths. Apostles. etc etc
>You seem to start with the assumption that a religion
For me I start with a creator is the most logical thing after that going further I come to the conclusion that Christianity is the most logical.",,Anonymous,1437299171917.jpg,MUkmC545i+37HegC9M+W8A==,SE,,1437611837
48434031,48441255,2015-07-23 00:41:41,">>48441078
>I don't agree with that. Just like scientific theories a lot of times in the absolute end requires some faith, that doesn't mean everything about is without reason.
No. No scientific theory requires faith. No science is based on faith. You have to be retarded to believe that.
>There are plenty. Questions on why there is something instead of nothing. Miracles. The Bible. History. Facts. Philosophical truths. Apostles. etc etc
Miracles prove nothing except that they happened if they are miracles. They say nothing about why they happened. There is literally no reason to think the Bible is a truthful narrative about everything, history provides no reason to believe, facts have no bearing on religion as far as I know, and philosophical truths are irrelevant to the truth of theistic claims.
>For me I start with a creator is the most logical thing after that going further I come to the conclusion that Christianity is the most logical.
Well, I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. You can't build assumptions based on assumptions and say it's logical. You haven't established your premise as true. Beyond that, choosing Christianity over all other theistic claims just seems random.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437612101
48434031,48441267,2015-07-23 00:42:07,">>48441078
>The Bible
If you read it from cover to cover, I can guarantee you will be an atheist afterwards",,Anonymous,transform3.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1437612127
48434031,48441455,2015-07-23 00:46:57,">>48440994
>The omnipotent creator being proven to exist isn't a reason?
No, it actually isn't. His existence in itself, popping up in your world theory has no religious implications in the christian sense whatsoever. A cosmology isn't a religion. It's literally the very first story in the Bible that says this. Adam and Eve could see God with their own eyes, yet they were still faithless bastards. That should give you enough of a hint what faith is.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437612417
48434031,48441699,2015-07-23 00:53:29,">>48434851
Well done",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437612809
48434031,48441713,2015-07-23 00:53:53,">>48441255
>No. No scientific theory requires faith. No science is based on faith. You have to be retarded to believe that.
Sure dude. Everyone working on obscure theories have absolutely no faith in them. 
People who were into string theory saw not things leading up to that but missing some pieces which they then took on faith were there and was hoping to eventually prove.
>2
Alright you don't believe in miracles. It's truthful about a lot of things and makes a lot of things today 2000 years later make sense for a lot of people. I think history does, a lot of things have happened in history, be it the lives and deaths of the apostles and a lot of other things. Fact of Jesus existing, the fact that it spread and the fact that almost all apostles who lived with him were prepared to die for that belief.
You rejecting the validity of philosophy doesn't bother me or probably any christians.
>3
You saying that is ridiculous have no basis.
>>48441267
Why'd you think so?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437612833
48434031,48441909,2015-07-23 00:59:17,">>48441713
>Sure dude. Everyone working on obscure theories have absolutely no faith in them.
No, they don't have faith. They have predictions and hopeful expectations. Faith is believing it is definitely true without any evidence that it might be.
>Alright you don't believe in miracles. It's truthful about a lot of things and makes a lot of things today 2000 years later make sense for a lot of people. I think history does, a lot of things have happened in history, be it the lives and deaths of the apostles and a lot of other things. Fact of Jesus existing, the fact that it spread and the fact that almost all apostles who lived with him were prepared to die for that belief.
Lots of people die for beliefs. Doesn't make them right. And crazy things happening doesn't mean God did it, let alone a specific God.
>You saying that is ridiculous have no basis.
You start with the assumption that everything was created. That is an assumption. You then make an assumption about the nature of the assumed creator, and then made assumptions about how to follow the assumed nature of the assumed creator. That's faith for you. Assumptions on assumptions on assumptions, and then pretending it's logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437613157
48434031,48441913,2015-07-23 00:59:22,">>48441713
>Sure dude. Everyone working on obscure theories have absolutely no faith in them.
>People who were into string theory saw not things leading up to that but missing some pieces which they then took on faith were there and was hoping to eventually prove.
One day we will have the technology to test string theory, then we will know if they are right or not. People use math and science to make predictions about the universe before these things are actually discovered. They don't always pan out. String theory being wrong doesn't prove your god exists.
>Fact of Jesus existing, the fact that it spread and the fact that almost all apostles who lived with him were prepared to die for that belief.
What does this prove? That people are idiots? That Islam is right? These were uneducated desert fools living in the bronze age. What they did has no bearing on what is true.
>You saying that is ridiculous have no basis.
Just like God and other supernatural christian beliefs.
>Why'd you think so?
That's what happened to me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437613162
48434031,48441928,2015-07-23 00:59:45,">>48440452
>You rule out other religions while assuming one must be true
Strawman. I never said that I assume one must be true. I believe in one, because I believe it is the most likely and I came to that conclusion with no starting assumptions like the idea that there must be a true religion",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437613185
48434031,48441995,2015-07-23 01:01:19,">>48441928
Ok, so your assumption is that it's most likely then. I mean, what's that based on? You are basing everything on some premise, and that premise must be supportable or you are basing everything you believe on nothing but wishful thinking.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437613279
48434031,48442125,2015-07-23 01:05:05,">People unironically and seriously believe science can disprove religion
How can you not hate atheists for their ignorance?",,Anonymous,sceintificmethod.jpg,GrhW5f8yqI4urxHrUjSoPw==,DE,,1437613505
48434031,48442255,2015-07-23 01:09:22,">>48438498
Try 6'5"" on my toes. We're the ones that believe in survival of the fittest.",,Anonymous,toe-walk.png,WEOROPj/GxpshblFaTP1PQ==,CA,,1437613762
48434031,48442357,2015-07-23 01:12:01,">>48442125
>disprove religion
>implying you can prove religion
I'm sorry anon, doesn't all religion depend on faith? The magical copout virtue that you can use to justify anything related to your sky daddy sensibilities?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437613921
48434031,48442380,2015-07-23 01:12:49,">>48441909
>Faith is believing it is definitely true without any evidence that it might be.
You have a very narrow view of what the word faith entails.
>Lots of people die for beliefs.
Few would the way they did. For a man they had met, for their religious beliefs they had gotten from him. Men dying for Christianity a few hundred years later makes more sense than people actually willingly doing things that gets some them killed for someone they met. It's not the same as someone dying for honor or duty or what ever.
>You start with the assumption that everything was created. That is an assumption.
Sure it's also the assumption of science. And the most logical one.
>>48441913
Maybe we will maybe we wont. Either way people put it on faith and try their best to explain it until it has been proven. 
Merely saying that they died for a person they had known. He had personally himself proven to such an extent that they were absolute sure of it. They saw it all with their own eyes. 
So you'd say it's equally ridiculous.
Give it another try anon",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437613969
48434031,48442466,2015-07-23 01:15:20,">>48441078
>>48440437
your previous assertion however that faith is a necessary component to have love of God is silly. Does your certain knowledge that your mother exists (assuming you had a good mother) make you love her less than if you only interacted with her through signs, theories and intermediaries? 
likewise, the idea that God couldn't distinguish between fear and love from his children is silly. It would also make sense that we would have far less fear of God if he personally explained to us why he wants us to do one thing and not the other.
 Likewise we would clearly understand the consequences of each act. When a parent does this we love them for it. When a parent gives vague dictates without clear explanations we chaff at them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437614120
48434031,48442467,2015-07-23 01:15:21,">>48442380
>Few would the way they did. For a man they had met, for their religious beliefs they had gotten from him. Men dying for Christianity a few hundred years later makes more sense than people actually willingly doing things that gets some them killed for someone they met. It's not the same as someone dying for honor or duty or what ever.
So... that whole thing with the cult of hundreds that poisoned themselves justified their belief? Ok.
And please, enlighten me about what ""faith"" really is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437614121
48434031,48442549,2015-07-23 01:17:30,">>48442357
Then you mistake religion for cosmopology. Christianity is an anthropology. What it discusses is humanity. It's quite audacious to say that you need for non-cosmological teachings, evidence that would prove a certain cosmology. Just fuck my shit up.",,Anonymous,metascience.jpg,PROEwI3OQ8Mr+tiTEdt4Bg==,DE,,1437614250
48434031,48442555,2015-07-23 01:17:43,">>48442380
Not really, history is filled with men dieing for what seen to be absurd causes. 
It is also an assumption on your part that these early Christian martyrs believed in the same thing you do, when most historians think many of them were essentially messianic Jews who thought of Jesus as a human savior appointed by God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437614263
48434031,48442556,2015-07-23 01:17:44,">>48442125
Wrong. If scientific evidence ever became available that a God existed I would conclude a God exists immediately. 
>>48442380
>Give it another try anon
Try replacing worship with curiosity, devotion with diligence, holiness with sincerity, ritual with study, and scripture with the WHOLE WORLD and the WHOLE of human learning. It is our duty to question all things, and to ground our beliefs in what is well-investigated and well-proved, rather than what is merely well-asserted or well-liked. Instead of keeping your nose buried in your book, read widely and constantly. Instead of aligning yourself with this or that view and keeping only like-minded company, you should mingle and discuss all views with everyone. And above all, commit yourself to the constant study and application of logic, method, and seek always to perfect, by testing and correcting, your total view of all things.",,Anonymous,aliens_large_grande.jpg,wnGjlBeC5DcE/U/hLUVWjw==,US,,1437614264
48434031,48442698,2015-07-23 01:21:55,">>48442125
Scientific method was invented by Islam.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437614515
48434031,48442828,2015-07-23 01:26:22,">>48442698
You mean the bastardization of Aristotle's method? Because that was also known in Europe. However, there's a clear difference between the science of the middle ages and the one of the new age.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437614782
48434031,48442892,2015-07-23 01:28:26,">>48442828
Aristotle's method was purely philosophical, and does not reflects the same rules used by science today. The Snackbars are the founding fathers of actual experimental methods.
>>48442549
How does this exactly disproves that the only ""evidence"" that exists of God is that the bible says so?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437614906
48434031,48442918,2015-07-23 01:29:20,">>48442549
>Christianity is an anthropology
What are you even smoking Hanz?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437614960
48434031,48443007,2015-07-23 01:32:25,">>48442918
Please, don't enable the shitposter. Replies feeds him.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437615145
48434031,48443034,2015-07-23 01:33:08,">>48442125
t. Mehmet",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437615188
48434031,48443134,2015-07-23 01:36:36,">>48442125
Oh, and I forgot to add, you are making a huge strawman. The fact that science can disprove religion doesn't means that religious people can't be scientists. If they can submit something into the scientific method, and it passes, it's acceptable, it doesn't matters if you also believe in the Big Foot and the Monster of Loch Ness. Seems like you don't know what science is at all.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437615396
48434031,48443369,2015-07-23 01:45:24,">>48442466
>your previous assertion however that faith is a necessary component to have love of God is silly
Did i accidentally counter my previous sentences?
No, I wouldn't love her any less. What's your point? My mother is not God.
God can distinguish. It would be just oppressive obedience, as he would say do this do that don't do that or else i'll punish you. But he gave us Jesus, someone to love and someone to love us. You do not just obey because some abstract God but because of Jesus who gave himself to us, who sacrificed himself for us. Love must be a two ways street.
Well you had a different parent than mine I suppose. If my parent just said do this or do that in everything, either obey me or be punished. No love no nothing, just obedience. I wouldn't love them.
>>48442467
Brainwashing. And the thing with brainwashing it usually only works as long as their freedom are contained, doubt these cultists would have killed themselves if they after had spoken to their leader went out into the world and just lived.
Faith doesn't have to mean just blind belief without reason.
>>48442556
Something that doesn't not adhere to their design is not free. A fish is only free if it's in the water. A human is only free if he knows and loves Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437615924
48434031,48443458,2015-07-23 01:48:32,">>48442892
Proof for the existence of God is retarded. Anyone who goes that way is by default wrong and didn't understand Kant.
>>48442918
What did you think what Christianity was? A story about puppies? The Bible depicts humanity's history with God. The only cosmological statement in the Bible is that God created the world. (As so often this statement is not scientifically verifiable, since it would require to prove something outside of the box with mechanisms that, per definition, only work inside the box.) After this, it is already pure anthropology. 
>>48443134
Fuck off from 7:1-istan",,Anonymous,scienceisnature.jpg,iXRtfHfkUQqC3CKlU2iHyA==,DE,,1437616112
48434031,48443481,2015-07-23 01:49:26,">>48443369
>Something that doesn't not adhere to their design is not free
What doe this even mean? And what is the evidence to support this claim?
> A fish is only free if it's in the water.
""free"" as in ""not dead""? What about fish that can walk on land? What the fuck are you trying to say?
> A human is only free if he knows and loves Jesus.
Knowing and loving ancient dead Jews definitely draws no parallel with fish and water. 
What the hell kind of epistemology is this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437616166
48434031,48443545,2015-07-23 01:51:24,">>48443369
>Brainwashing. And the thing with brainwashing it usually only works as long as their freedom are contained, doubt these cultists would have killed themselves if they after had spoken to their leader went out into the world and just lived.
>Faith doesn't have to mean just blind belief without reason.
making a lot of assumptions dude",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437616284
48434031,48443563,2015-07-23 01:51:56,">>48443458
>Implying every single Christian belief comes directly from the Bible
>Implying that cosmology is not used to justify the belief in the existence of a god
What have you accomplished?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437616316
48434031,48443655,2015-07-23 01:55:00,">>48443369
I love logic, supposedly an aspect of the Christian God (Logos). What I do not love is doubt and confusion. Leaveing room for doubt leaves less room for love because we cannot see the plain truth and work towards understanding it. Instead we first have to accept on faith that something is true and work towards excepting it, but we can never know for sure. 
explaining something clearly can be an act of love. You love someone enough to help them understand.
>>48443458
I understand Kant enough to know his moral philosophy is ridiculous",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437616500
48434031,48443730,2015-07-23 01:57:30,">>48443481
I'm saying your design comes from God. Your purpose is with God.
While you think abolishing God makes you free, it is actually the opposite.
>>48443545
Easy assumptions easy life",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437616650
48434031,48443768,2015-07-23 01:58:41,">>48443563
>Implying every single Christian belief comes directly from the Bible
>Implying that cosmology is not used to justify the belief in the existence of a god
Get a load of this fag.",,Anonymous,mydear.png,HmHoIEgh7CY+nphUvy1caQ==,DE,,1437616721
48434031,48443815,2015-07-23 01:59:54,">>48434031
If atheism is real, how do you explain Jesus turning water into wine, and bread into fish? Checkmate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437616794
48434031,48443829,2015-07-23 02:00:14,">>48443458
>Proof for the existence of God is retarded. Anyone who goes that way is by default wrong and didn't understand Kant.
The method required to prove the existence of God is no different from the method that was used to prove the existence of gravity. Gravity can proved, God not. Gravity exists, God not. Is that too hard to understand?
>implying that I care about soccer.
You will need a better ad hominen than that, silly shitposter.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437616814
48434031,48443879,2015-07-23 02:01:49,">>48443655
> Leaveing room for doubt leaves less room for love because we cannot see the plain truth and work towards understanding it.
There is nothing to work toward understanding or knowing if it all already is laid out in front of you. You do it not because you are free or out of love, you do it because you've been ordered to.
>explaining something clearly can be an act of love. You love someone enough to help them understand
You left out the part where if he does not do the thing you explained clearly, you will punish him.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437616909
48434031,48443890,2015-07-23 02:02:17,">>48443730
>I'm saying your design comes from God. Your purpose is with God.
>While you think abolishing God makes you free, it is actually the opposite.
[citation required]",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437616937
48434031,48443959,2015-07-23 02:04:08,">>48443730
God was never there to abolish. Search far and wide, you will find no God. 
Consider if all knowledge was destroyed and the minds of everyone wiped away, and the earth refreshed. We would never come to the conclusion of Christianity again. We would not know Jesus, the Abrahamic God, or his disciples that died.
But what we would do is study the natural world again, and rediscover everything about science again.
This is what truth is. You make a statement that makes predictions. You then go verify these predictions. If the predictions are correct, the statement is correct.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617048
48434031,48443977,2015-07-23 02:04:37,">>48443890
But son... The Holy Bible ofc.",,Anonymous,1437076343278.jpg,B6ha/300Pt6jUM2jdcEkKA==,SE,,1437617077
48434031,48444060,2015-07-23 02:07:32,">>48443879
>There is nothing to work toward understanding or knowing if it all already is laid out in front of you
Not true. If the truth is difficult, as anything handed down from the divine surely would be, it would probably take considerable personal effort to understand it and make it part of your life. Its like that with any philosophy on living besides perhaps the most base forms of hedonism.
>You left out the part where if he does not do the thing you explained clearly, you will punish him
God will punish you anyway, Given that an explanation is in order. Doesn't the bible say: ""the truth will set you free?"" why would you not love the truth? Something so many people spent their lives searching for? It would seem to me that any good person would take the bitter pill while any bad person would refuse it, like a naughty child.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617252
48434031,48444119,2015-07-23 02:08:59,">>48436549
The real way to determine literal vs figurative in scripture is to look at the immediate audience; who a letter was written to or who Jesus was speaking to and understanding how they would interpret it. The seven day birth and Noah's ark are both literal by this line of thought which I firmly hold to be true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617339
48434031,48444154,2015-07-23 02:09:56,">>48444060
Stop arguing already. >>48443977 he's clearly just a troll.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437617396
48434031,48444225,2015-07-23 02:12:05,">>48443768
>My Kantian philosophy is completely irrelevant in any modern discussion
>Le fag may mays
Get with the times fag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617525
48434031,48444230,2015-07-23 02:12:16,">>48444154
most people in this thread are trolls, but this guy has been making this argument for weeks, and its silly, but I was catholic once and they certainly do consider faith a virtue in and of itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617536
48434031,48444231,2015-07-23 02:12:16,Whats the use of spreading atheism? Its not like we ever have meetings or even come together as a community. I dont get it.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617536
48434031,48444349,2015-07-23 02:15:53,">>48444231
>Its not like we ever have meetings or even come together as a community
We absolutely should though. A strong sense of community is important. As religion fades away, a hole will be left that we need to fill with gatherings, music, art, culture, philosophy, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617753
48434031,48444373,2015-07-23 02:16:32,">>48443959
We'd discover everything again. God and Science and everything else. Why would you separate Religion from Science? 
I'm sure he'd give us guidance how to find him once more. 
>>48444060
Well depends on what degree of ultimate truth God would lay out for you. With 100% ultimate truth I don't see what there would be to philosophy about or what to try and understand.
Taking the bitter pill doesn't mean love. It is as you said bitter, oppressive in nature. 
Taking it therefor would not be a act of love.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437617792
48434031,48444433,2015-07-23 02:18:15,">>48444154
You asked me and I responded. Without God life is meaningless. Without meaning everything is pointless. 
Don't confuse freedom with meaningless.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437617895
48434031,48444435,2015-07-23 02:18:18,">>48441267
historically the opposite happens",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617898
48434031,48444455,2015-07-23 02:18:39,">>48444349
So wait, you want mass amounts of people to come together to a set location and do what? What would we talk about? What would the art be about? Would we just come together and all agree how dumb religion is? There's literally no reason for any atheist community to come together.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437617919
48434031,48444539,2015-07-23 02:21:29,">>48444373
Any major change in lifestyle is difficult. That does not mean its not healthy, and you could very well be grateful afterwords. Christian stories make it clear that even the apostles allegedly struggled with their assigned roles.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618089
48434031,48444564,2015-07-23 02:21:54,">>48444455
>Would we just come together and all agree how dumb religion is?
Of course not. At this point religion would be totally irrelevant and almost non-existent. 
Come on, anon. Are you really confused about the idea of people coming together and doing something that isn't religious? Notice how none of the boards on 4chan are explicitly religious? People come together and do things all the time, and it's wonderful.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618114
48434031,48444597,2015-07-23 02:23:06,">>48444564
yea, but thats not for the sake of athiesm. Without religion, atheists would have nothing to talk about.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618186
48434031,48444612,2015-07-23 02:23:27,">>48444373
>science and religion aren't seperate
>we'd discover science again without guidance
>yet for some reason god needs to provide us with guidance to come to the conclusion that him and Jesus exist
wat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618207
48434031,48444661,2015-07-23 02:24:57,">>48444597
Of course we wouldn't talk about atheism. That is a non-topic. We would talk about EVERYTHING except atheism.
A secular life means that the universe is EVERYTHING. We would talk about that (instead of about heaven and gods or whatever)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618297
48434031,48444662,2015-07-23 02:24:59,">>48434031
>spread atheism
Literally a cult.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437618299
48434031,48444664,2015-07-23 02:25:02,">>48444564
well if we are going to replace religion in our lives I would perfer we not use some self righteous gathering of atheists who sit around and opine on how smart they are.
Don't get me wrong, I love to debate, and I indulged in that behavior from time to time, but large groups of like minded people is one of the problems with organized religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618302
48434031,48444712,2015-07-23 02:26:32,">>48444664
Here, try to re-imagine it this way:
A group of PEOPLE come together and discuss everything EXCEPT the super-natural.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618392
48434031,48444748,2015-07-23 02:27:46,">>48444712
Sounds pretentious. Why not just go to gym or take a class?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618466
48434031,48444765,2015-07-23 02:28:20,">>48444661
So you're explaining a cultural event, which we already have. Those occur all the time. Even now, where religion never comes into the fold. 
That doesn't give any reason why it has to be atheists. Thats already happening.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618500
48434031,48444817,2015-07-23 02:30:27,">>48444712
So what would happen if someone mentions something supernatural, like ghosts or having a dream that spoke to them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618627
48434031,48444827,2015-07-23 02:30:49,">>48444433
No, seriously? I mean, really? Ok, I will give you another chance, so, can you please tell me why you think the Bible is true? How can some poor fucking fisherman, which are just dumb enough to write dumb shit like Joshua 10:13, proving that they had absolutely no idea of how the world around them worked, could have known the meaning of life?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437618649
48434031,48444848,2015-07-23 02:31:17,">>48444765
I'm glad you now understand what I'm saying. Now if you remember what I said before, religion provides a lot of events like these. When the religions go away, there will be a demand for more events and gatherings to be created. This is a worthwhile, secular goal.
>>48444748
Both of these things are described by what I just proposed. So ""why not just..."" isn't really a valid question.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618677
48434031,48444859,2015-07-23 02:31:30,">>48443829
>
The method required to prove the existence of God is no different from the method that was used to prove the existence of gravity. Gravity can proved, God not. Gravity exists, God not. Is that too hard to understand?
At this point I can only explain your post with the low level of education in your country.
You are seriously trying to define something (God) with methods of a world that God himself defined. The reason why the ontological argument and other such niceties have been given up on, is not the reason that they led to the existence of God. Their mistake was not to prove his existence, their mistake was it to even try. The same mistake as you are doing right now. Who the fuck thinks it's a smart idea to try and prove a metaphysical being with physicalism? Fucking retard. 
>soccer
kill yourself, faggot.",,Anonymous,evolutiongravity.gif,wzuLYcYY3Q6s6nHIFSKHVg==,DE,,1437618690
48434031,48444875,2015-07-23 02:31:54,">>48444539
True true.
>>48444612
Yes obviously because God is not something you can scientifically prove. So how else would it lead us back to the true God? Although perhaps give it enough time and we'd get pretty close. 
Quantum physics for example are quite exciting when it comes to theism, will be interesting to find out what will come of it.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437618714
48434031,48444917,2015-07-23 02:33:10,">>48444875
>Yes obviously because God is not something you can scientifically prove
Science is the method we use to determine truth about the universe we live in. If God can't be proved with science, he essentially doesn't exist. He exerts no measurable influence or evidence on the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618790
48434031,48444961,2015-07-23 02:34:36,">>48444859
>methods of a world that God himself defined.
[citation required]",,Anonymous,religion-pidgeon-bible-is-true.jpg,BGaGvMreOcGDVL1GQh3F+Q==,BR,,1437618876
48434031,48444970,2015-07-23 02:34:51,">>48444848
But religion doesnt need to go away for that. Most cultural events are called cultural for a reason. Religion has culture, Atheism does not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618891
48434031,48445012,2015-07-23 02:36:19,">>48444875
>True true.
so are your are admitting that we dont need room for doubt in God to love him, assuming he exists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437618979
48434031,48445216,2015-07-23 02:42:28,">>48444970
Of course atheism doesn't have culture. It is a lack of belief in deities. Just as not believing in faeries, unicorns, and elves has no culture.
And I never said religion needs to go away. I said it IS going away.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437619348
48434031,48445334,2015-07-23 02:46:07,">>48444961
Where's the citation against it?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437619567
48434031,48445372,2015-07-23 02:47:28,">>48444827
>Poetically written passage
>>48444917
Quantum physics for example if you follow Eugene Wigner's argument to the end point to there being some sort of God or force in the universe.
How to prove this with 100% certainty seems impossible tho.
>>48445012
No sorry, I was supposed to have greentexted ""Any major change in lifestyle is difficult."" Which was what I was responding to and it seems we're at the end of the line on that subject.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437619648
48434031,48445373,2015-07-23 02:47:34,">>48445334
It's the one who makes the claim who must proves it's point.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437619654
48434031,48445420,2015-07-23 02:48:54,">>48445372
>>I'm saying your design comes from God. Your purpose is with God.
>>While you think abolishing God makes you free, it is actually the opposite
Was this part also poetically written?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437619734
48434031,48445436,2015-07-23 02:49:31,">>48445372
>argument to the end point to there being some sort of God or force in the universe.
This has been argued again and again. First God existed because he needed to form the earth (turns out all you need is a supernova and gravity). You need a god to pull the sun around the earth (turns out the earth just has angular momentum), you need a god to explain quantum mechanics!
Your god is the god of the scientific gaps in our knowledge. He is ever-receding",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437619771
48434031,48445492,2015-07-23 02:51:21,">>48445216
>Just as not believing in faeries, unicorns, and elves has no culture.
Wrong premise. Unicorns would be theoretically physical existences while God is a metaphysical being and per definition can't be verified scientifically. You using such an analogy in this situation just goes to show how little you understand about this whole topic. But then again. Atheists never had anything else than polemics in their repertoire. What else is there to expect from an ideology that tells people that no reading a book makes them smarter.",,Anonymous,lackoffaith.jpg,AF/Y3S5wh97HrTv1GovVzg==,DE,,1437619881
48434031,48445513,2015-07-23 02:52:06,">>48435184
Christian, this guy is right.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437619926
48434031,48445549,2015-07-23 02:53:24,">>48445373
Sadly for you, a scientific theory can never be verified, only falsified.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437620004
48434031,48445574,2015-07-23 02:54:25,">>48438674
>implying you wouldn't leap at the chance for another Crusade or Inquisition",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437620065
48434031,48445582,2015-07-23 02:54:34,">>48445492
>metaphyscs, >metaphyscs, >metaphyscs, 
>metaphyscs, >metaphyscs, >metaphyscs....
Don't you get tired of repeating this word? Let me tell you something: metaphyscs = pseudoscience.
Your beliefs are not much more valid than the beliefs of somebody that believes on stuff such as Homeopathy.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437620074
48434031,48445620,2015-07-23 02:55:58,">>48445492
Fine, I define my unicorns to be metaphysical beings. Do they exist now? 
You're just playing with words, and saying nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437620158
48434031,48445635,2015-07-23 02:56:35,">>48445549
>Sadly for you, a scientific theory can never be verified, only falsified.
Yes, it can. And it's called peer review. Any theory that fails on this is considered worth shit.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437620195
48434031,48445681,2015-07-23 02:58:22,">>48445620
But unicorns do exist, not physically but ideologically. Otherwise why mention unicorns. Now, if you were talking about Kangapossums, those dont exist. Except now after I made it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437620302
48434031,48445694,2015-07-23 02:58:48,">>48434031
>banana lord",,Anonymous,1436912375439.jpg,9t4UUic+RyTq6Qk0bcdbVw==,AU,,1437620328
48434031,48445698,2015-07-23 02:58:56,">>48445420
Theologically maybe? I'm a newbie.
>>48445436
It's getting closer to God through science.
What are you talking about?
Just the destruction of materialism because of Quantum Physics, could lead to some interesting things.
Quite interesting indeed.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437620336
48434031,48445769,2015-07-23 03:01:40,Why would you want to spread athiesm? It is the same as christians spreading their faith,,Anonymous,,,SG,,1437620500
48434031,48445783,2015-07-23 03:02:05,">>48445681
That's not the way people usually use the word ""exist"". Changing definitions doesn't change reality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437620525
48434031,48445834,2015-07-23 03:04:22,">>48445698
Quantum physics does not describe anything immaterial at all. That is some baseless superstition you hold about quantum physics. 
Quantum physics explains how matter and energy behave at the smallest of scales. In what way is this related to immaterialism or God? You NEED to be more explicit to be taken seriously.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437620662
48434031,48445884,2015-07-23 03:05:52,">>48445698
Yeah, yeah, I get it. You are just like my Confirmation teacher: whenever you find something that validates your beliefs, it's literal, when not, it's just a poetification/fable/parable/out of context. You are the saddest kind of dumb person: The one who thinks it's wise.
>>48445681
You can't touch an ideology. You can't measure an ideology. God, unicorns can ideologically exist, in your dreams, not in the real world.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437620752
48434031,48445940,2015-07-23 03:07:41,">>48445884
In your head, on a piece of paper, as a doll or as a statue. Ideas can become physical things. Just cause it doesn't exist doesnt mean its worthless. Otherwise everything you ever created or wrote or dreamed about is worth nothing. Atheism is so depressing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437620861
48434031,48445983,2015-07-23 03:08:52,">>48445940
So, I can draw a picture of an unicorn, or make a statue of it, and you think it will be alive?
Stop it. You are just embarrassing yourself.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437620932
48434031,48445992,2015-07-23 03:09:12,">>48434031
>Evangelical Atheists
I never thought I'd see the day. And here I thought rational response squad was fucking autistic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437620952
48434031,48446034,2015-07-23 03:10:45,">>48445582
Don't you get tired of being an idiot? Metaphysics isn't a pseudoscience. The whole point of metaphysics is to define a field where the scientific method can't be used. You thinking that metaphysics and science are rivaling systems just proves that you have no idea about what you are talking. The definition of metaphysics is a point were classical science can't be used (usually because it is an attempt at structuring the world before the definition of science even comes up)
>>48445620
Usually there's only one metaphysical being, per definition. After this I would question the need to address this being as a unicorn because these are notions of a physical world and it is rather senseless to define something like God with words from our world. Last but not least I would question the notion of God's existence as a 'being'. That is also already a forced definition of God by putting him into a worldly schema.",,Anonymous,philosophersofscience.jpg,YWlhpQHFt67Gk5aKQzlEHw==,DE,,1437621045
48434031,48446067,2015-07-23 03:11:45,">>48445983
I'm just saying, just cause it doesn't exist now doesnt mean it wont exist in the future. Man can create god, we already do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437621105
48434031,48446183,2015-07-23 03:16:11,">>48445834
Was speaking about how matter is apparently dependent on observation.
Although im no physicist.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437621371
48434031,48446317,2015-07-23 03:21:25,">>48446183
>Was speaking about how matter is apparently dependent on observation.
What physicists mean by ""observation"" is interacting with it to measure it. It doesn't require an actual human to observe it. Obviously you have to personally look at results at some point, but you can do so long after they have been recorded by non-conscious equipment. Check out Wheeler's delayed choice experiment.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437621685
48434031,48446341,2015-07-23 03:22:18,"i am a free thinker
a different kind of intellect",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437621738
48434031,48446343,2015-07-23 03:22:21,"Not my fucking problem if people want to worship a man on the sky or fucking Christmas tree, as long as they keep religion out of politics and schools, I don't even care.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437621741
48434031,48446346,2015-07-23 03:22:24,">>48434031
>spread atheism
You're not better then all these religionfags. Please remove yourself from the genpool.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437621744
48434031,48446422,2015-07-23 03:25:21,">>48446343
Why do you deny religious folks their democratic right to participation in the political process? Are you a bigot?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437621921
48434031,48446424,2015-07-23 03:25:31,">>48446346
>>48446343
>>48445992
See >>48437905",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437621931
48434031,48446510,2015-07-23 03:28:22,">if I keep dropping buckets of toothpicks from a plane, eventually, sooner or later they will not form all letters from the alphabet when they hit the ground, but also spell out a full thought-provoking novel without any error
Atheists actually believe this? And they say Christians are irrational? Isn't it strange that biology is the only field that refuses to acknowledge the second law of thermodynamics? I wonder why...",,Anonymous,1436846822474.jpg,DRi43Yd8VT8C0dFYjZ0AxA==,US,,1437622102
48434031,48446698,2015-07-23 03:35:29,Thoughts on this?,,Anonymous,Morality.png,uuSRHyPx+SWAt9uX4WuddQ==,US,,1437622529
48434031,48446819,2015-07-23 03:40:02,">>48446698
You should be a bit more explicit about what kind of moral relativism you're talking about.
Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437622802
48434031,48446862,2015-07-23 03:42:05,">>48446698
I wouldn't say morality is completely relative, there are some things that are demonstrably beneficial/detrimental for us, and some almost universal tendencies in moral structures, like punishments for pointless murder, theft, ect. 
I would say that each individual doesn't make their own moral codes, I'd say moral codes are generally intersubjective, or agreed upon by groups of people (generally for mutual benefit). 
While we do often change, and add to/subtract from our morality, some parts (generally those absolutely necessary for a society to survive) are almost universal in societies who wish to survive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437622925
48434031,48446915,2015-07-23 03:44:33,">>48434240
The people giving atheists a bad name are evangelicals, it has nothing to do with the actions of atheists.
Also I can't think of a more unobtrusive method for atheists to be allowed discourse than on an anonymous, easily hidden message board.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623073
48434031,48446955,2015-07-23 03:46:25,,,Anonymous,atheistsarebronies.png,0mJvhdRxV7mVls8EE8WW1A==,US,,1437623185
48434031,48446969,2015-07-23 03:47:08,,,Anonymous,J0MlLpA.jpg,Wy8UOzhtRFnW0S6qQYAVVQ==,US,,1437623228
48434031,48446978,2015-07-23 03:47:24,">>48446862
> there are some things that are demonstrably beneficial/detrimental 
These are statements of fact, whether they are things we ought not to do are opinion.
> universal tendencies
> moral codes are generally intersubjective, or agreed upon by groups of people
It's true that these things do occur, but that doesn't mean they're opinions about what we ought to do are completely objective. Any ethical stance has some opinion to it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623244
48434031,48446989,2015-07-23 03:47:49,">>48434833
What the hell is this?
The allegory of the cave deals with education, not religion at all. What the hell.",,WOLFSHIEM,1436985507458.png,FxdHem+SeHifAI+yfvuzgA==,US,,1437623269
48434031,48447016,2015-07-23 03:49:01,">>48434792
Religious people don't have to go into these threads and insult people. Nothing wrong with riling up douches.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623341
48434031,48447027,2015-07-23 03:49:19,">>48446989
wolf, this is off topic but can i become catholic even if i don't like the pope? also do i have to have liberal views?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623359
48434031,48447043,2015-07-23 03:49:55,">>48446955
So ill take the bait but isn't that tom cruise on the other side whose one of those nutty scientolgy faggots?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623395
48434031,48447047,2015-07-23 03:49:59,">>48434985
People of a different belief system doing science doesn't hurt my feelings at all.
>worshiping science
Nice one!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623399
48434031,48447074,2015-07-23 03:51:19,">>48446989
See >>48434851
and pic related",,Anonymous,1437443120625.png,ercI3gc2K6H8vpRXAsFL3w==,US,,1437623479
48434031,48447104,2015-07-23 03:52:52,">>48446862
Why is benefiting humanity inherently a moral good?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623572
48434031,48447105,2015-07-23 03:52:53,">>48435184
Atheist, this guy is right.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623573
48434031,48447143,2015-07-23 03:54:09,">>48434541
>Atheism can't explain why/how the Big Bang happened (even though there are a number of widely accepted theories)
>How did God come into being? Oh, he was just always there.
Fuck outta here.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437623649
48434031,48447220,2015-07-23 03:57:27,">>48447104
I wouldn't say its an objective moral good, but I think I'd be OK saying that the vast majority of humans have a vested interest in survival/the continuation of the species. 
Thus intersubjectively at least, it would be morally ""good"" to improve ourselves and continue our survival.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437623847
48434031,48447270,2015-07-23 03:59:31,">>48447220
Daily reminder that Christanity hates the world and wants to see it burn:
John 2:15–17
>Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.",,Anonymous,Creationist-Logic.jpg,fKyF8xC0hfOvGiDhFvnJgg==,US,,1437623971
48434031,48447356,2015-07-23 04:01:55,">>48447143
>I don't understand the ontological argument.
>Christians are the dumb ones
Your inferiour criminal gene-pool is showing.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437624115
48434031,48447386,2015-07-23 04:03:11,">>48434833
>>48446989
At add.
>Christians see the pursuit of God as an escape from reality
>Christians view the world as evil
That is a gnostic/puritan idea. This vast majority of Christianity does not uphold this idea.
This is all manner of shit.
>>48447027
No, you don't have to like the Pope. They're in that position to lead the people, though, so I would heed his teaching regardless if you accept it.
>also do i have to have liberal views?
Really depends what you mean by liberal here. There is a diversity of thought it is towards the main teaching they give.
A good example of this would be myself in RCIA. When people went into the social teaching we got the ""preferential option for the poor"" and everyone began to mention raising the minimum wage and bashing those who were against it. I chimed in, saying that the people who makes those claims - right or wrong - make them for the good of the people too. They just go about it in a different way. We cannot forget that despite our disagreements, we do all mean to achieve the good.
>>48447074
Christianity takes its metaphysics from Aristotle, not Plato or Socrates - though Aristotle did use some elements of their thought. Aristotle upheld that being itself as good.
I could give a more thorough response to that image if you want.",,WOLFSHIEM,megaman no.jpg,aeo91bm9X9qkIK8Oj+bw0A==,US,,1437624191
48434031,48447477,2015-07-23 04:06:48,">>48444231
There isn't a point. On the other hand, if you reveal you are atheist, people will debate you, so you may as well be good at it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437624408
48434031,48447506,2015-07-23 04:07:54,">>48444433
Why is it necessary for your creator to provide a purpose for you? Why can't you make one yourself? Or for that matter, why can't your parents make one for you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437624474
48434031,48447565,2015-07-23 04:10:20,">>48446510
It would probably take longer than the lifespan of the sun.
Also toothpicks aren't exactly alive or self organizing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437624620
48434031,48447616,2015-07-23 04:12:01,">>48447386
>That is a gnostic/puritan idea. This vast majority of Christianity does not uphold this idea.
Technically you are right. Most Christians TODAY do not hold this view. That is because Christianity is a dying instituion and even it's followers are becoming Unchristian. Platoism is HUGE in Christianity. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism_and_Christianity
Gnostism is basically a middle ground between Plato and Christianity.
Early Christians did indeed hold the view that the world is evil
http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-4.htm
Jesus tells us that Satan is the God of this world.
Early Christian thought was that the body was a prison, that trapped the soul. Nothing physical, nothing real was good. It was all 'material' all Satan's domain.
The concept of heaven is derived from the idea that the world is bad and you should escape it. For people that love the world there is no need to envision another world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437624721
48434031,48447784,2015-07-23 04:18:26,">>48447616
It is disputed whether Gnosticism was ever a thing or if it is all a modern creation of something that never existed in this form.
The soul and body dualism is one tradition amongst many in early Christianity. Neoplatonism was a heresy that has been fought against. Not only because of it's philosophical implications but also because of it's political stance. Ask Augustinus.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437625106
48434031,48447922,2015-07-23 04:24:34,">>48446915
>>48434424
Atheists get a bad name because children that need a cause latch on to it and proceed to go around social media being obnoxious.
I am an atheist but unless there is a case of actual theocracy encroaching onto law (not just the commandments on an old courthouse or whatever) I am content to let the neo-jews do whatever.",,Anonymous,abrahemicreligions.png,tPRNmnBkvN4GkHVxSsYb4Q==,AU,,1437625474
48434031,48447953,2015-07-23 04:25:54,">>48435485
>implying the jews are not to blame
https://vimeo.com/55784152",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437625554
48434031,48448188,2015-07-23 04:34:10,">>48447922
Not really, and its not like Christians are any better behaved. Maybe on 4chan, but the reason why the nation as a whole dislikes atheists is just due to evangelicals, who view the answer to all social problems as More Jesus and the cause of all social problems to be Less Jesus. Ergo, for them atheism vs Christianity is a sliding scale of evil vs good, and they unironically argue that most politicians aren't Christian, that inner city violence is caused by a lack of Jesusification, and so forth. ITs not something that can be improved by shutting up on the internet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437626050
48434031,48448353,2015-07-23 04:40:49,">>48447616
>Technically you are right. Most Christians TODAY do not hold this view. That is because Christianity is a dying instituion and even it's followers are becoming Unchristian. Platoism is HUGE in Christianity. 
At best, it was influential when Christianity went into a largely platonic Greece (gnostics) and in the Protestant Reformation (Calvinist/Puritans). There is no examples of this being big elsewhere. Even your link is very brief except for the period where Christianity was heading into Greece. No doubt Platonists would use their own systems of thought to try to grasp new ones.
>Early Christians did indeed hold the view that the world is evil
>Jesus tells us that Satan is the god of this world.
He is the object of adoration, yes. He is not the ruler of creation. Money being the people's god does not make the world evil.
Christianity, incredibly early on, understood that evil is not a physical thing but a privation of the good. We only know evil through good. Thus the notion that being is good.
""God saw all that he had made, and it was very good"" -Genesis 1:31.
Going back to Neoplatonism in late antiquity, though... I found this in your link.
>As a Manichee, Augustine had held that evil has substantial being and that God is made of matter; when he became a Neoplatonist, he changed his views on these things. As a Neoplatonist, and later a Christian, Augustine believed that evil is a privation of good and that God is not material. 
This upholds what I've said.
>Early Christian thought was that the body was a prison, that trapped the soul. Nothing physical, nothing real was good. It was all 'material' all Satan's domain.
I am not very well read on soul stuff, I just know some basics but it's very possible the early Greek Christians maintained their Platonic view here. It could be possible. Seeing the scholastics it certainly didn't last long.",,WOLFSHIEM,1392928178544.jpg,OrxlzrhhOzVqa+ZPtKN+uw==,US,,1437626449
48434031,48448372,2015-07-23 04:41:24,">>48448353
>The concept of heaven is derived from the idea that the world is bad and you should escape it. 
No. This is fundamentally wrong. This is Gnosticism. If you follow >>48447074 then no doubt you'll be confused. They confuse many different concepts, like calling Plato's World of Forms synonymous with the Christian view of Heaven. Hell, the Platonic view of Forms is refuted and medieval Christianity adopts the Aristotlean concept of Forms instead, which is plenty different. Aristotle was actually adopted for being good, not just being the strain of thought the people grew up with.
>For people that love the world there is no need to envision another world.
Unless, of course, you weren't going to stay conscious in the world and want to figure out what occurs next. But no, we know of Heaven not purely out of our wishes but through revelation.
If Christianity was against the material, there would not be a teaching of the New Heavens and the New Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Earth",,WOLFSHIEM,1370884921160.jpg,YmZGFbiTFoHBwIiL49aeaQ==,US,,1437626484
48434031,48448912,2015-07-23 05:01:40,">>48438498
>Nintendo bag
It's perfect",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437627700
48434031,48449001,2015-07-23 05:05:58,">>48448912
Wow a Christian Brit.
Haven't you got a street to shout in, weido?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437627958
48434031,48449089,2015-07-23 05:10:16,">>48447074
>Aquinas connection
>""Justifies their metaphysics by saying the 'bad material' world cannot be it's own master.
Oh god, this is the kind of OC that comes out of these threads? I thought I was at max astonishment when Jesus was referred to as sad and unhappy but this takes the cake. Literally everything about that is wrong.
I am out.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437628216
48434031,48449406,2015-07-23 05:24:46,">>48449089
If I was an ugly, illiterate, son of whore, who was part of a conquered people and rejected by my own community I would also be pretty sad.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437629086
48434031,48449914,2015-07-23 05:47:45,">>48448353
If you google ""Christianity"" and ""cave allegory"" you get a ton of crap from Christians that think the story is a wonderful representation of your religion.
I posted this >>48434833 in a Christianity before and it was overywhelmingly received.
Before I posted this>>48434851 Christians even went inside the atheist thread and DEFENDED the allegory of the cave as a wonderful idea and the idea of escape as proof of how weak atheism is.
Socrates and Plato gave birth to a huge line of philosophers. Aristotle being a very direct link.
A belief in God absolutely requires the statement ""our understanding of the world is incredibly shallow"". The Christian God is a concept that is at odds with everything we know so far. Water into wine, talking donkies, a flood that involves more water than there is on the planet, other dimensions where demons and angels live, the resurrection of every dead person that ever lived and the placement of them in these different dimensions.
It's insane. You NEED the cave allegory for your side of the arguement. You MUST try to us atheists that our world view as a fantastically shallow as thinking shadows in a cave is the only reality.
If you do not than you have no basis on which to suspect your God. You have no more proof for him than the prisoner's had that there was an 'outside'.
Without the cave you can only relay on what you so and unless you count the toast incident we see no miracles or magic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437630465
48434031,48450110,2015-07-23 05:56:06,">>48446915
>""it has nothing to do with the actions of atheists""",,Anonymous,image.jpg,IWn3yPHrGabw+0yLFI+D0w==,CA,,1437630966
48434031,48450538,2015-07-23 06:15:33,">>48450110
Its true, though. People who dislike atheists (out of the internet) won't cite the Soviet Union or the Amazing Atheist, they'll state something like ""without Jesus you can't be a bad person.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437632133
48434031,48450826,2015-07-23 06:28:20,">>48450110
Its true, though. People who dislike atheists (out of the internet) won't cite the Soviet Union or the Amazing Atheist, they'll state something like ""without Jesus you can't be a good person.""
>fixed for hilarious error",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437632900
48489471,48489471,2015-07-23 22:02:01,"Discuss, ask questions, and be polite. 
Today's thread question: What is your worldview? Why?",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437583759165.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1437688921
48489471,48489669,2015-07-23 22:05:53,"American liberal, Roman Catholic.
Because it's objectively correct.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689153
48489471,48489684,2015-07-23 22:06:05,">>48489471
I just try to make the best of things. I like Nietzsche but I have reservations about some of Nietzsche' thoughts on other philosophies.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689165
48489471,48489720,2015-07-23 22:06:56,">>48489669
>American liberal, Roman Catholic
Name two things that do not go together.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689216
48489471,48489725,2015-07-23 22:07:01,">>48489471
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437689221
48489471,48489785,2015-07-23 22:07:58,">>48489725
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437689278
48489471,48489797,2015-07-23 22:08:13,">>48489725
You really need to cut your recommended list down",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689293
48489471,48489845,2015-07-23 22:08:59,">>48489785
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437689339
48489471,48489874,2015-07-23 22:09:32,">>48489471
We are all pathetic organic meat sacks and our end is quickly approaching.",,Anonymous,1436752889521.png,5GUliqXJPlWLwhJg6heywQ==,NZ,,1437689372
48489471,48489888,2015-07-23 22:09:46,">>48489471
>Degeneracy General
FTFY, OP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689386
48489471,48489891,2015-07-23 22:09:48,">>48489471
Social and economic conservative. Roman Catholic.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437689388
48489471,48489942,2015-07-23 22:10:32,">>48489845
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,cBZu0yGIQM5BriJiiaHzdA==,US,,1437689432
48489471,48489949,2015-07-23 22:10:38,"why do you need an atheist general?
just don't believe.
If being an atheist is part of your personality, you're a tremendous faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689438
48489471,48490029,2015-07-23 22:11:52,">>48489949
Why do we need a Catholic general? Why do we need pol?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689512
48489471,48490051,2015-07-23 22:12:09,">>48489949
you make religion shit threads",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437689529
48489471,48490073,2015-07-23 22:12:31,">>48490029
because those are actual beliefs.
Atheism is lack of belief. There is no further reading into athiesm. There is no discussion of atheism. It's just lack of belief.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689551
48489471,48490146,2015-07-23 22:13:38,">>48490051
no I don't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689618
48489471,48490191,2015-07-23 22:14:28,">>48490029
Seriously though is there anything to discuss about atheism other than 'Hurr religon dumb'? Catholic threads are to discuss their beliefs, it seems like all atheist threads are for are shittalking other people",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437689668
48489471,48490206,2015-07-23 22:14:45,">>48489471
>atheism",,Anonymous,AtheismCP.png,YerqyuCPY4s1Tb9rCUjXHg==,US,,1437689685
48489471,48490218,2015-07-23 22:14:56,">>48490073
Of course you can't discuss a lack of something.
In these threads we usually discuss everything, because being an atheist means figuring out the universe for yourself. We don't have the luxury of being given a cookie-cutter worldview from a religion",,Anonymous,fedora_wife.jpg,3f7Ne5sO3kX//EoIhctmRw==,US,,1437689696
48489471,48490248,2015-07-23 22:15:26,">>48490073
In a society where at least 80% of people have some religious sentiments, having a lack of belief puts you in a pretty small group. 
Furthermore there are several competing philosophies amongst atheists which are worth discussing. a few days ago we argued about Plato and Socrates.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689726
48489471,48490304,2015-07-23 22:16:27,">>48490218
jesus christ. you are the reason that fedora is a meme",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437689787
48489471,48490483,2015-07-23 22:19:44,Allegory of the cave,,Anonymous,the-CAVE.jpg,xvAWB9HB6gEeeu8njduA4A==,US,,1437689984
48489471,48490621,2015-07-23 22:22:24,Socrates/Jesus parallel,,Anonymous,1437443120625.png,ercI3gc2K6H8vpRXAsFL3w==,US,,1437690144
48489471,48490748,2015-07-23 22:24:58,">>48490483
I hate this image. There is nothing wrong with viewing the world in a negative light. Nor does being a nihilist automatically make you depressed or suicidal. 
The allegory of the cave can also be applied to many things, it is, at least in part about the choice between ignorance and knowledge",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437690298
48489471,48490773,2015-07-23 22:25:29,">>48490483
Problem with the first one is that you can't base meaning off things you believe have no inherent meaning. If you believe that we're here because of a chain of cause and effect stretching back to the Big Bang then how do you base the meaning of your life on things that your worldview claims are simple assembly of matter and nothing more. That's as much self delusion as religion is.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437690329
48489471,48490785,2015-07-23 22:25:49,">>48490621
>Socrates
why are you still posting this after it got torn to pieces in the last thread?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437690349
48489471,48490936,2015-07-23 22:28:55,>>48490483,,Anonymous,cave_myth.jpg,PmcmsBly1NM8PHlMdxOgGQ==,US,,1437690535
48489471,48490992,2015-07-23 22:30:01,">>48490773
Things are meaningless because they are an assembly of matter? How does adding non-matter to the equation make it more meaningful?
This is all of existence. This is as meaningful as it is ever going to get. We've maxed out on meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437690601
48489471,48490995,2015-07-23 22:30:09,">>48490773
The image does not deal with objective facts.
It deals with perspective.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437690609
48489471,48491182,2015-07-23 22:33:51,"What are the checks to the judicial branches power? Obviously the president appoints them and their power is (supposed) to be limited, but are there no active checks against tyranny here? What is there to stop SCOTUS from using mental gymnastics and twisting the meaning of words to force legislation? 
I feel like the US is becoming more and more an oligarchy of 9.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437690831
48489471,48491189,2015-07-23 22:33:59,What's the difference between schizos and theists again?,,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437690839
48489471,48491259,2015-07-23 22:35:10,">>48490992
>How does adding non-matter to the equation make it more meaningful?
Because this life is not the end. It's merely the first step. If you believe that in 100,000 years when all humans are dead and the universe continues on as if we had never existed then you're saying that whatever you do ultimately does not matter. You'll die, everyone you know will die and your existence will be forgotten and the Earth will be destroyed. That's not meaningful, thats as meaningless as you can get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndkC-vGLBw
This is a good explanation of what I'm talking about. You can't say the universe and our existence is merely the consequence of chance and then turn around and say there is any meaning in our existence. It's like rolling a dice for which pizza you want to order and saying there was meaning in the pizza you chose.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437690910
48489471,48491322,2015-07-23 22:36:32,Thoughts on this?,,Anonymous,Morality.png,uuSRHyPx+SWAt9uX4WuddQ==,US,,1437690992
48489471,48491471,2015-07-23 22:39:32,"Why have atheists never created a democratic society?
Why have atheists created the most oppressive societies in the world?
Why is there no atheistic country in the world that has gay marriage and why does no one care while shoving it down the throat of Christian countries?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691172
48489471,48491487,2015-07-23 22:39:53,">>48491322
Not all atheists embrace Nietzshe. He is one voice, So you shouldn't promote him as synonymous with atheist morality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691193
48489471,48491524,2015-07-23 22:40:37,">>48491259
Happiness is valuable, and so meaningful. We draw our morals from human happiness. That is why I am a secular humanist. Value need not be intrinsic or immaterial.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691237
48489471,48491549,2015-07-23 22:41:07,">>48491182
>POTUS nominates and Senate appoints judges
>They can be impeached
>Creating a law or amendment in response to ruling
>Congress passing laws for limiting topics SCOTUS can appeal in cases
>Enforcement of rulings
That's a broad overview of them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691267
48489471,48491564,2015-07-23 22:41:36,">>48491471
the US a country full of Christians, not a Christan country. 
Communists were insane.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691296
48489471,48491610,2015-07-23 22:42:33,">>48491471
Most governments are secular, like the one you live in. There are some exceptions, like Saudi Arabia. 
Our founding fathers were deists, very similar to atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691353
48489471,48491778,2015-07-23 22:46:31,">>48491471
>Why have atheists created the most oppressive societies in the world
The USSR wasn't any less oppressive than the worst points of the Catholic Church.
>Why is there no atheistic country 
You are from America a country that was founded by fucking Deists who beleived in separation of Church and state. America is not, never has been, and never will be a Christian country. It's a believe whatever the fuck you want country.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691591
48489471,48491781,2015-07-23 22:46:35,">>48490936
I'm pretty sure that picture isn't biblical. Wasn't it Plato or a student of his created this story?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691595
48489471,48491816,2015-07-23 22:47:14,"Why doesn't atheist-chan wear short skirt and thigh-highs? Damnit /pol/ she can barely beat christ-whore.
I'm trying to learn as much as possible. I'd like to dig into advanced physics. I pretty much realize I won't make it but I don't see any other goal to pursue in my life. Maybe that'll change when (and if) I get the family though I can't see it beating my current desire. I think building ground for future generations is perhaps the ultimate hidden agenda in us.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1437691634
48489471,48491832,2015-07-23 22:47:31,">>48491524
Given that your existence and all traces of it will be wiped away, that you will have no consciousness and will not remember your existence nor anyone else who existed what difference is there between the person who existed and the person who never existed. You say happiness is 'valuable', in what way? If you died tomorrow and your consciousness was erased what meaning would all the happiness in your life have? It's as if it had never existed at all.
Not saying you need to believe in God, but I am saying you should at least have the intellectual honesty to admit to what your world view says about our lives",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437691651
48489471,48491886,2015-07-23 22:48:54,"OP. Stop spamming this shit. Same gay ass pics. Same gay ass books. 
God is real. You fucking know it. 
Nobody will think you are smart for being atheist. 
No chick will respect your dumb fat ass. 
Go take a shower. Literally. Then go get baptized at your nearest Lutheran/Catholic/Orthodox church. 
Just please. Stop posting this lame shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691734
48489471,48491936,2015-07-23 22:50:06,>>48491886,,Anonymous,1437704310239.png,fdeMH77rkrS6wanzwDj2Wg==,CZ,,1437691806
48489471,48491940,2015-07-23 22:50:09,">>48491781
I think it comes from Plato. Plato would sometimes use Socrates as a character that narrates things so it's kind of ambiguous. 
This is not a bible story. It's a peak into their mind-set.
Neoplatonism was a major influence on Christian theology throughout Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages in the West due to St. Augustine of Hippo, who was influenced by the early Neoplatonists Plotinus and Porphyry, and the works of the Christian writer Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite, who was influenced by later Neoplatonists, such as Proclus and Damascius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism_and_Christianity
The cave allegory creates a value judgement that the real world is empty and no good and that the invisible, unreal world is good and meaningful. This value judgement is a key part of Christianity. The real world is sinful and no good. The unreal heaven is good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691809
48489471,48491973,2015-07-23 22:51:04,">>48491781
Platoism had a huge influmence on early Chistianity. Most of the great thoelogians of the roman period were Platonist. St. Origen even had a dream where he was accused before the throne of being a follower of Plato rather than Christ. Philosophers like Socrates were thought to have been sent to prepare the Greeks for Christianity.
Plato's metaphysics were used by early Christians to explain the logic behind their religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691864
48489471,48491997,2015-07-23 22:51:36,">>48491832
Things need not be eternal to be valuable",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691896
48489471,48492026,2015-07-23 22:52:10,">>48491936
yeah man you guys posting young adult literature guides with little chinese cartoon mascots isn't a waste of everyone's time. 
I'm just baiting YOU by telling you this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691930
48489471,48492036,2015-07-23 22:52:23,">>48491832
Value judgements about what it is good are not empirical. They cannot be scientifically proven. There is no mathemical reason to value happiness or saddness, meaning over no reason.
It is the INDIVIDUAL that does this because he wills it. Because he wants meaning, because he wants happiness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691943
48489471,48492057,2015-07-23 22:52:45,">>48490621
You could go to the Delphic Oracle for just about anything in Ancient Greece, as long as you gave a generous offering for most of those times. It wasn't that special in their sense, and often, what they said was so ambiguous that it's a reoccurring theme in their literature that the oracle tells someone a prophecy that has a total different meaning than what it would seem to be interpreted. 
Jesus claiming to be the son of God is a whole other level of severity with being close to the God[s] in the culture he was in. Just for context, it was (sometimes) usual for people to go to the Delphic oracle over simple land disputes or inheritance. So much so, that the whole story with the oracle was connected to him telling his other fellow countrymen that they shouldn't keep on relying on a oracle over petty questions and just find out the answer to them themselves, which the Delphic oracle told him that probably because of being tired of dealing with a bunch of idiots wanting to get their stupid questions answered.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691965
48489471,48492071,2015-07-23 22:53:18,">>48489471
There needs to be a distinct difference between atheism and anti-theism. The New-Atheism is an ideology that violently opposes religion in it's cultural and psychological aspects while promoting cheap rationalism and progressiveness, whereas true atheism is a lack of ideology; a blank slate. There is nothing wrong with promoting pure atheism but in it's current form it has taken on some questionable baggage.
>>48491471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRTsInTXAgk
>>48491886
k
>>48491189
stop breathing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437691998
48489471,48492088,2015-07-23 22:53:43,">>48491997
>Things need not be eternal to be valuable
Says every single person that lost a duel to Utena EVER.",,Anonymous,latest.jpg,eDcvIYX4N2TqxjMxC9OHFQ==,US,,1437692023
48489471,48492131,2015-07-23 22:54:17,">>48491816
>I'm trying to learn as much as possible. I'd like to dig into advanced physic
This is a very worthwhile goal. Physicists ask the deepest question about the universe. Good luck to you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437692057
48489471,48492206,2015-07-23 22:56:02,">>48491940
In that picture you can replace:
""Nonbelievers"" -> ""Believers""
""Realizing there is a heaven"" -> ""Realizing religion is man-made""
""An act of Faint"" -> ""An act of reason""
""Escape from reality to God"" -> ""Escape from religious fantasy to reality""
and it'll actually be even more accurate. If I remember correctly the original Plato's idea was that perhaps what we sense isn't true reality. With development in science we postponed this idea to higher level (whole Universe) as we can now almost for sure say what our body can sense.
You can take this basic idea, apply such cheap change and say it supports your bullshit theology.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1437692162
48489471,48492217,2015-07-23 22:56:15,">>48491886
Daily reminder that the biggest way to get under the skin of both serious fedora tipping atheists and legitimately faithful Christians is to be an atheist who pretends to be Christian for worldly, materialistic reasons, patronizing other Christians like they are young children who still believe in Santa Claus, as if they desperately need a constant looming threat of an angry invisible man watching over their shoulder to keep them from kidnapping, raping, and murdering children and small animals for fun.
Which is why this anon is absolutely right.
God exists. You fucking know it. Stop denying it. You're not cool. You're not aware of some uncomfortable truth that everyone around you hides from out of fear. You're not a genius. You're just that kid in the 3rd grade who goes around telling all the other kids on the playground that Santa is fake because you think you want to be right.",,Anonymous,aurelius quote.jpg,BdX3HZDtrRCrDY91CbSIQg==,US,,1437692175
48489471,48492233,2015-07-23 22:56:34,">>48489669
Kerouac loved Mccarthy. Lowell, ma",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437692194
48489471,48492261,2015-07-23 22:57:08,">>48491997
'Value' is an idea created by human consciousness. Consciousness that you believe will eventually be wiped from existence one day. You can't say we live in a purely mechanical universe then also say that we're free to make up concepts like 'value' to make ourselves feel better about our ephemeral and pointless existence. Again, how is that any less of a self delusion than religion?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437692228
48489471,48492273,2015-07-23 22:57:22,Shit been a few days since I saw one last I did we just had a bit of art and a few recolors but damn now we have more art,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437692242
48489471,48492276,2015-07-23 22:57:24,Do you have a response to this image and schoalstics in general?,,Anonymous,1436613510354.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,AU,,1437692244
48489471,48492315,2015-07-23 22:58:31,">>48492276
>my metaphysics is better than your actual physics
>I'm gonna make more baseless assertions about the nature of god to explain away your argument
>I didn't understand what the atheist wrote so I'm gonna argue against a strawman
>concludes that an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world yet remains immaterial
I never made a response because it doesn't deserve a response like the original image did.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437692311
48489471,48492342,2015-07-23 22:59:01,"New Atheists are basically Deep South evangelical Protestants, literally the only difference is that New Atheists don't believe in God, they're just as loud, abrasive, and willlfully ignorant
As Protestantism is dying pretty much everywhere while Catholicism and Orthodoxy are growing, New Atheists will die out soon too",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437692341
48489471,48492428,2015-07-23 23:00:49,">>48492217
Someone's still surprisingly mad about finding out Santa doesnt exist.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437692449
48489471,48492468,2015-07-23 23:01:35,">>48492315
Nah metaphysics always trumps physics. This isn't the physical sciences but a logical requirement. More to the point >>48492276
at most goes as far as to prove a Deistic, non-religious God. Even Aquinas said that the Cosmological Argument doesn't prove Abrahamic faith, which had to be taken on faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437692495
48489471,48492501,2015-07-23 23:02:10,"i was expecting shitposters and hate from MUH religion retards....but no..i see interesting shit here.....
i am surprised",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437692530
48489471,48492523,2015-07-23 23:02:39,">>48492428
Actually, no.
I'm not even serious.
If I were serious, I'd just Christfag it up in the thread.",,Anonymous,steve-jobs.jpg,VStKMomVgjjB9X2LXok81Q==,US,,1437692559
48489471,48492540,2015-07-23 23:02:58,">>48492468
but you cant really prove which metaphysical system to go with. As long as its logically sound you can pick and choose and no one can prove you wrong",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437692578
48489471,48492559,2015-07-23 23:03:15,">>48492276
Yes. As all past philosophers they didn't know what we know today so they tried elucidate world by various hypotheses. Today we know that thing doesn't work as we would like them to work. That's why it's pointless to quote old philosophy that ignores modern development.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1437692595
48489471,48492623,2015-07-23 23:04:16,"I dunno, I'd like to believe in a creator, but everything tells me that we're just the furthest development of a weird drive to self-replicate located in DNA. 
Human beings like patterns and answers, and theism just seems like the natural response to the unanswerable questions.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437692656
48489471,48492807,2015-07-23 23:08:11,">>48492261
It is my opinion that happiness is valuable. You may not feel the same way. Just as you and I make both look at a painting, one seeing beauty and the other not.
I believe all other values are derived from the desire for happiness, in conjuction with other facts of the universe, and that all normative values are what they are because they must be held and acted upon in order for any human being to have the best chance of achieving a genuine, enduring happiness. When we say ""you ought to value x"" we mean that, if you do, you will improve your chances of enduring happiness, and if you do not, you will decrease those chances.",,Anonymous,26114585.jpg,z1/ta7Unw/vJ2reQv/4rPQ==,US,,1437692891
48489471,48492919,2015-07-23 23:10:58,">>48489471
Fuck you, fuck me, and fuck everybody. I don't give a shit about anything",,Anonymous,1433914159980s.jpg,y2yQ6qWv1AlDcWZsqsPWKA==,US,,1437693058
48489471,48492985,2015-07-23 23:12:30,">>48492540
What alternate metaphysical system are you proposing? If you have one it would have to have been formulated in a logical manner, like that of Aquinas's First Mover (an elaboration on Aristotle's concept). It sounds like you don't really understand what metaphysics. A metaphysical proposition is not arrived at through observation because it deals in the unobservant, i.e. pure logic. Logic dictates that a First Mover is necessary.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693150
48489471,48493068,2015-07-23 23:14:14,>>>/lgbt/,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693254
48489471,48493104,2015-07-23 23:15:23,">>48492468
All assertions, all statements of fact, convey some ""proposition"" about what exists, that is, predictions about what will and what won't happen, if we go here or there or do this or that. These prediction could never all be fulfilled if the proposition were false, but could all be fulfilled if the proposition were true. So the more predictions entailed by a proposition that re fulfilled, the more reasonable it is for us to believe it. And vice versa: the more predictions a claims entrails that actually fail to transpire when investigated, the less reasonable it is for us to believe it. Thomas's propositions predict nothing, they were invented for the sole purpose of ""logic""ing a god into existence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693323
48489471,48493108,2015-07-23 23:15:30,">>48492985
I am certainly aware of that. Are you aware there are other people who have created metaphysical systems besides Aquinas?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693330
48489471,48493139,2015-07-23 23:16:01,">>48492985
>Logic dictates that a First Mover is necessary.
No, that's not logic. It's your opinion masqueraded as logic.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437693361
48489471,48493144,2015-07-23 23:16:10,">>48492217
>>48492428
>>48492523
But now I am being serious...
If you're legitimately nihilistic, then stop trying to bring everyone else down into despair with you.
If everything is pointless, then so is insisting that everything is pointless.
So fucking stop it, keep your head down, and suck Jesus' circumcised cock like it distributes communion wafers made of bacon.
If you suddenly find yourself playing chess with a pigeon, WHY would you insist on teaching the pigeon to play properly?",,Anonymous,dont care.gif,2jY/whv4ZTspY2yH1+R4lA==,US,,1437693370
48489471,48493164,2015-07-23 23:16:32,">>48491322
Opening line is a bit too strawmanny",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437693392
48489471,48493231,2015-07-23 23:17:57,">>48492985
>What alternate metaphysical system are you proposing
Who gives a shit. 
Personally I just don't buy the notion that you can sit in your armchair and define god into existence anymore than you can define a cold beer into existence.
God is either real or he isn't. If someone comes up with a brilliant philosophical argiment for his existence does he wink into being, if someone else rips the argument apart does he disappear again? No.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437693477
48489471,48493259,2015-07-23 23:18:35,">>48493164
A fuckton of theists actually believe that. I'd say way more do than do not. It's not a strawman.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437693515
48489471,48493322,2015-07-23 23:19:55,">>48492206
I'm an atheist and I made it. The goal is to show PERSPECTIVE. How Christians think. I also made the one that show how WE think. Your suggestion is already folded into the 'how healthy atheists view the world' picture.
Understanding perspective of Christians is absolutely important, we cannot effectively communicate to them if we do not know how they think. Ideally we should understand everyone's perspective.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693595
48489471,48493401,2015-07-23 23:21:16,">>48492261
>how is that any less of a self delusion than religion?
The atheist acknowledges that values are human made.
The theist thinks they are real and come from God.
But the atheist does not stop having values just because he knows they are man made just like he doesnt stop using tools because they are man made. Value judgments are TOOL made by man to help us!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693676
48489471,48493434,2015-07-23 23:22:04,">>48493322
You really need to emphasize the ""This is how christians see things"". Or just stop posting it. It makes it look like you're advocating christianity every time I see it. I dunno, confusing layout or something",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693724
48489471,48493475,2015-07-23 23:22:57,"Catholic General.
>>48492751",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437693777
48489471,48493517,2015-07-23 23:23:45,">>48493475
For what purpose?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693825
48489471,48493518,2015-07-23 23:23:48,">>48493144
>So fucking stop it, keep your head down, and suck Jesus' circumcised cock like it distributes communion wafers made of bacon.
That's not nihilism, that's strawman nihilism.
Nihilism isn't ""lol i believe in nothing, I'll just lie there and wither"", it's ""I don't believe in moral systems others tried to impose on me, I'll do whatever I want"". If a nihilist wants to convert everyone to nihilism, you aren't a defender of logic by imposing your opinion on him, you're just opinionated.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437693828
48489471,48493566,2015-07-23 23:24:42,">>48492807
So you derive the meaning of your life from a set of personal beliefs and opinions that cannot be objectively proven. See, you and theists aren't so different after all. If all meaning is subjective then what does it matter whether a person finds their meaning in a religion or not?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437693882
48489471,48493600,2015-07-23 23:25:17,">>48490218
Atheism is the lack of belief in a higher power and thus a natural universe, nature rules, man builds homes and adapts to nature, moves self to top of food chain. What more is there to discuss? 
Ayy lmaos?
Maybe, We'll have to wait and see.
Will we Ayy lmaos?
Maybe, We'll have to see.
>>48490206
Why have so many under the guise of religion abuse, disobey oaths and/or can just marry they've been caught being gay, gay for children all sorts a shit, sexual depravity is not exclusive to atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693917
48489471,48493602,2015-07-23 23:25:18,">>48489471
any atheists here believe in a possible afterlife? say after the universe dies, in some future universe, you might come back again?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437693918
48489471,48493646,2015-07-23 23:25:55,">>48493259
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone make that statement, and definitely not in that type of absolute way. It hurts the premise of the image to make the opponent character making absolute statements like that. ""The bible is the best source for our morals"" or ""True morality comes from religion"" which is even more than I would use. It's just obvious when you're only trying to make your job easier and going for the lowest hanging branch.",,Anonymous,1435633934306.gif,iJ5kDMWlyi2sarFM+0ePNw==,CA,,1437693955
48489471,48493687,2015-07-23 23:26:44,">>48493566
The difference is that happiness exists, it is made of the molecules in my brain. God does not exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694004
48489471,48493733,2015-07-23 23:27:32,">>48493602
Aren't most atheists against the concept of a soul to begin with? What is the 'you' that would come back? You're made of matter that will be broken apart. Are you going to reform like a terminator?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437694052
48489471,48493793,2015-07-23 23:28:49,">>48493602
I don't believe in an afterlife but anything is possible. I don't think it is terribly likely though.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437694129
48489471,48493830,2015-07-23 23:29:42,">>48489471
This kills the fedora",,Anonymous,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1437694182
48489471,48493847,2015-07-23 23:30:07,">>48493602
You mean like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_recurrence_theorem",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694207
48489471,48493872,2015-07-23 23:30:48,">>48493434
""How Christians See the World"" is vague?
The image uses a positive tone, that escapism is the spirit world and God is good, because that really is their perspective.
If I filled the image with a negative tone ""hurr durr I'm a dumb Christian I want to go to heaven"" it would not represent their perspective and thus lose all meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694248
48489471,48493896,2015-07-23 23:31:20,">>48493566
>See, you and theists aren't so different after all
fucken this m8
Both atheism and theism are both worldviews",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694280
48489471,48493904,2015-07-23 23:31:30,">>48493830
>communists say all atheists have to be communists therefore its true
Do you take other communist claims at face value?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694290
48489471,48493946,2015-07-23 23:32:27,">>48493872
No, don't fill the descriptions with negative tone. 
Maybe just expand what Fedora-Chan is saying, how this kind of worldview is bad.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694347
48489471,48493983,2015-07-23 23:33:32,">>48493646
>I don't know if I've ever seen anyone make that statement, and definitely not in that type of absolute way.
You didn't spend enough time either on /pol/ or IRL with theists then.
It is extremely common for retards to claim that someone has ""no morals"".
You have an optimistic idea of theists. They are far more retarded outside than they are around here.
Instead of asking yourself ""do theists think only religion can grant morality?"", ask it about just creationists. Just the idiots who think Earth is 6k years old and that there was a literal talking snake and that all humans are descendants of a single pair of humans.
Now check the statistics on creationism.
Yes, they are that retarded and it's totally not a strawman, not even a tiny bit.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437694412
48489471,48493987,2015-07-23 23:33:37,">>48493830
Oh no you got us.
God must exist because of gommunism. Why didn't I think of that? If only I had known that the proper name for gommunism is classic atheism I might have realised!
Woe is me! Flying sky badger can you forgive me for not believing in you? I repent, I repent!",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437694417
48489471,48493991,2015-07-23 23:33:45,">>48493830
Has it ever occurred to you that a government that wants complete control might want to get rid of religion so that people look to the government as the supreme authority instead of God?
A theocracy maintains complete control by claiming a direct linkage to God.
A communism maintains control by saying there is no God and they are the supreme force.
Same fucking goal, different means to an end.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694425
48489471,48493996,2015-07-23 23:33:58,">>48493139
Learn how 2 classical and medieval philosophy then get back to me.
>>48493108
Of course but only two, Kant and Hume, have directly attempted to refute the Cosmological Argument. Hume made the mistake of referring to God as existing before and outside the universe rather than always creating and uncreated. He also made the fallacious claim that the universe is eternally causally self generating. Him and Kant both also pointed to our general ignorance, which fails to take into account how we arrive at this conclusion in the first place. 
And, to reiterate for those that didn't see before, I believe in a strictly non-benevolent, Deistic First-Mover, not any Abrahamic God.
>>48493104
Of course it predicts nothing, It doesn't need to predict anything that isn't blatantly obvious. The Judeo-Christian God does, claiming various supernatural phenomenon. All that the Cosmological Argument claims is that a Creator exists, with the obvious result or ""prediction"" being everything. If you can conceive of how the universe came into being without a Creator then have at it, but then of course you have to deal in metaphysics.
>>48493231
>Who gives a shit. 
Most people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694438
48489471,48494002,2015-07-23 23:34:10,">>48491832
Not true, If I died tomorrow all the people I have had a positive impact on will carry the positive behavior they learned from me and in turn have a positive impact on people they interact with do the same, and if every one behaved with others interests in mind with their own we would have a better life.
You sow you're own field.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694450
48489471,48494016,2015-07-23 23:34:28,">>48493830
You take one region and one version of communism, then say it beats a whole idea. 
North Koreans believe that their leaders are gods. 
When Kim jong uns father or grandfather died, people wept in the streets. People were so confused because they didn't believe he could die. His birth story was literally a copy of Jesus Christs birth story. Does North Korean communism sound very atheist to you? Sounds like they are using religion as a propaganda tool to me. 
And btw, prove to me that the Kim jongs aren't gods. 
Pro tip: you can't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694468
48489471,48494043,2015-07-23 23:34:59,">>48491973
Sent by who?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694499
48489471,48494098,2015-07-23 23:36:11,">>48493518
Uh... so do whatever you fucking want then.
No one said there was any consequence for not listening to me.
By the way, that's not what I said or implied nihilism means. That's not what nihilism means either.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694571
48489471,48494114,2015-07-23 23:36:30,">>48493996
>the universe came into being
This is a baseless claim",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694590
48489471,48494140,2015-07-23 23:37:02,">>48493983
You're also assuming I don't see theists 'IRL' and 'outside' but you do. I'm telling you there are a broad range of theists just as there are a broad range of any group, and you're content to just choose the easiest ones to engage with based on the fact that they exist. I know theists are out there who bluntly say there can be no morals without religion, but it's better to aim at the smarter ones.
Or not idgaf I guess.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437694622
48489471,48494201,2015-07-23 23:38:27,">>48492559
>>48492315
Edward Fesser seems to present it in a way that seems hard to respond to. See his blog post on ""So you think you understand the cosmological argument? "" for instance.
That being said would one of you anons be able to create the info that would refute the image posted? I think it would be a good start of this general given that it is scholasticism which seems to be the only credible justification for theism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437694707
48489471,48494222,2015-07-23 23:38:47,">>48494002
And all those people will die, and the people they influence will die until Earth is destroyed and humanity no longer exists. If you derive your meaning from having a positive impact on those around you then what meaning exists at the end of the universe? None, therefore there was no meaning in the first place.
You can absolutely say you give yourself your own meaning of life, I don't disagree, I'm simply saying whether you live by an arbitrary set of values you make up yourself or those provided by a religion makes no difference. Pure rationality is not something you can live by, because it inevitably leads to nihilism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437694727
48489471,48494265,2015-07-23 23:39:28,">>48493904
>>48493987
>>48493991
>>48494016
>no true fedora
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_the_no_true_Scotsman_fallacy",,Anonymous,1409071784178.gif,M2WFE+q+CUNtZiHBfXexaQ==,US,,1437694768
48489471,48494266,2015-07-23 23:39:30,">>48489471
any of you guys tried debunking the muslim shills on this board? 
lots of stupid shit about scientific miracles and the like.",,Anonymous,gary.jpg,zM3RwuMt4OgOq9TqK48WzA==,US,,1437694770
48489471,48494310,2015-07-23 23:40:23,">>48494265
>conservapedia",,Anonymous,1436823583586.jpg,X4q3An6Ys4nemmpjTzg87Q==,MX,,1437694823
48489471,48494345,2015-07-23 23:41:08,">>48494310
It's pretty legit on BTFO fedoraism
Communist regimes killed 60 million in the 20th century through genocide, according to Le Monde, more than 100 million people[2] according to The Black Book of Communism (Courtois, Stéphane, et al., 1997).[3] and according to Cleon Skousen[4] in his best-selling book The Naked Communist.[5]
It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.[6] Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.[7]
Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error (see also: Atheism and communism and Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694868
48489471,48494387,2015-07-23 23:41:58,">>48494201
>Edward Fesser
Interesting. It looks like the argument made in the original image of the Unmoved Mover argument is exactly the same kind of cosmological argument that Feser is putting forward.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694918
48489471,48494393,2015-07-23 23:42:12,">>48493996
I do not think Hume and Kant were the only to develop such systems, though they might be the most comprehensive. 
in any case you could attack teh cosmological argument on multiple fronts.
how is an infinite chain of causality less realistic than an uncaused cause?
I would address actual and potential but I am not familiar enough with Aquinas or Aristotle to tackle something like that.
Another problem with metaphysics in general is I can simply claim the universe is illogical.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694932
48489471,48494396,2015-07-23 23:42:15,">>48494345
in commie shitholes they worship their leaders as gods....see north korea",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1437694935
48489471,48494407,2015-07-23 23:42:31,">>48494265
I actually gave you a counter example to your example, not dismissing but showing you that your argument is invalid because there are other instances where religion is used for the same purpose that you say atheism is being used.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694951
48489471,48494413,2015-07-23 23:42:43,">>48494266
I'd actually enjoy that, would be nice to have a different flavor of theist to beat down.
Where do the Muslims even hang out though? They don't have general threads and if a Muslim does reveal his faith in a thread no one takes him seriously. They post a bunch of pictures of bacon and isis-chan.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694963
48489471,48494427,2015-07-23 23:42:53,">>48494265
I don't know why you posted this to me.
I'm a follower of his holiness the Sky Badger.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437694973
48489471,48494436,2015-07-23 23:43:03,">>48494043
By God, they were prophets to the gentiles in Christian thought",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437694983
48489471,48494487,2015-07-23 23:44:03,">>48493996
>Learn how 2 classical and medieval philosophy then get back to me.
>I can't argue my point, I am right because a philosopher once asserted something like what I agree with",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437695043
48489471,48494510,2015-07-23 23:44:24,/b/ tier thread detected.,,Anonymous,095662F4-A604-4ADF-80D93B024A971AEA_article.jpg,AAqFc32AgFsioavlldFdyA==,US,,1437695064
48489471,48494516,2015-07-23 23:44:34,">>48494396
In Atheist shitholes they worship Dawkins as their God. There are even Atheist churches.
>>48494407
The whole point it that Atheism is used to kill and oppress religious people as it happened in the USSR, how can you deny that Atheism has been responsible for more deaths in a few years than every religious war ever.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695074
48489471,48494553,2015-07-23 23:45:15,">>48494413
they always, always, always come out of the woodwork whenever a bulgarian or czech shitposter posts those ""islam hate"" threads
when /pol/ DIDN'T have ID and country flags there were generals.
at this point I consider myself a deist but I'm sick of the proselytizing tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695115
48489471,48494601,2015-07-23 23:46:23,">>48494516
What, Atheist shitholes like England, which has become shit because progressives invited in yet another of the three Abrahamic religions?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695183
48489471,48494638,2015-07-23 23:47:14,">>48494140
The fact that not all theists are utterly retarded is a totally different thing from the fact that most of them are idiots who think morality comes from religion.
If you want to call something a strawman, first check if it isn't the actual opinion of people we're talking about. Like in this case.
With theists, it's better to first call them retarded and (sometimes, quite rarely) be proven wrong than assume they're intelligent, sane people and then (almost always) be proven totally and utterly wrong.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437695234
48489471,48494644,2015-07-23 23:47:18,">>48493996
>Of course it predicts nothing
A proposition must predict something to mean anything (so a proposition that predicts nothing is meaningless), and a proposition's truth can only be determined by going out and seeing whether those predictions are or are not fulfilled. We can't even claim to know what a statement means if we don't even know what would confirm or refute it.",,Anonymous,1406283699325.jpg,tLnjdMnZoEpdAR7N1Hibrg==,US,,1437695238
48489471,48494659,2015-07-23 23:47:34,">>48494516
Did I deny that? 
Besides, how does that logic beat out atheism anyway? Does that make atheism less credible? Do theist nations not kill other people?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695254
48489471,48494673,2015-07-23 23:47:50,">>48494265
not all atheists are communists. So it has nothing to do with us.
also conservapedia",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695270
48489471,48494702,2015-07-23 23:48:26,">>48494601
Atheism intrinsically results in the collapse of Nations. Even with out immigration as England went away from religion is became more shitter.
Why has ever Atheism nation ever been a shit hole? USSR, North Korea, Communist China, etc....
Atheism itself has no morals and results in degeneracy and collapses civilizations.",,Anonymous,frankfurt school.jpg,bhUqnelhJSRRzO6xzrdyqg==,US,,1437695306
48489471,48494727,2015-07-23 23:49:01,">>48494114
Unless you believe that something can come out of nothing then no, not a baseless claim at all. And to be clear I am not referring to this in a temporal sense, Aquinas never made the claim that the Universe had a temporal beginning. What's is more important is the necessity of a First Mover for the existence of everything else. And before you say infinite chain or infinite regress (for >>48494393 too. This also answers Bertrand Russel's objections. Also yes there were most likely other philosophers but you would have bring them forward for consideration) watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdjjqFSEJ_Y",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695341
48489471,48494753,2015-07-23 23:49:33,">>48494702
degeneracy has never collapsed a civilization",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695373
48489471,48494760,2015-07-23 23:49:45,">>48494265
OK b8. Not great, but nothing too bad.
Obvious as fuck, but ""protected"" by Poe's Law.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437695385
48489471,48494803,2015-07-23 23:50:46,">>48494702
>NorK
>Atheist
They quite literally worship their party leader as a deity. 
Of course atheism lacks a specific moral code, because it has not ideology attached to it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695446
48489471,48494823,2015-07-23 23:51:05,">>48494659
Atheism kills more. It is a violent subversive ideology even more dangerous than International Jewry and the Rothschild Central Banking system.
It destroys nations. Never in the history of the world has there ever been a prosperous atheist civilization.
We must exterminate these Atheists as there area virus that leaves shit and immorality everywhere. Will we do nothing but wait for the collapse of America due to it's atheist infection?",,Anonymous,1432743707688.png,N5oXsAIj6kziJavzU6Fq6g==,US,,1437695465
48489471,48494847,2015-07-23 23:51:31,">>48494727
>Unless you believe that something can come out of nothing then no, not a baseless claim at all. And to be clear I am not referring to this in a temporal sense
I don't claim to know everything about the universe. You seem to though. I'm guessing your philosophers also predicted that moving faster changes the rate at which you travel through time? Because it makes so much logical sense?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695491
48489471,48494857,2015-07-23 23:51:41,"Ahh just fuck off.
Who cares if there is a God or not? What's the fucking point? 
It's not necessary to be so focused, man.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437695501
48489471,48494858,2015-07-23 23:51:41,">>48494753
Roman Empire? America today? Every empire ever? Are you retarded?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695501
48489471,48494890,2015-07-23 23:52:16,">>48494702
Communist China == majority Buddhism 
North Korea worships their leaders as gods. 
So you got one example right there. Btw communist China has progressed to become a world superpower in a mere 60 years. Literally was a third world country before ww2",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695536
48489471,48494924,2015-07-23 23:52:49,">>48494858
>Roman empire
economic collapse and foreign invasion",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695569
48489471,48494929,2015-07-23 23:52:58,">>48494803
Modern day atheism is a religion of it's own. They have their own churches, their sermons, their prophets and even their own hats.
I'm an atheist myself and have been a part of the religion of Atheism and need to speak out about how cult like it it. It's a very dangerous and subversive group of autists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695578
48489471,48494956,2015-07-23 23:53:44,">>48494266
Yup. Ripped apart a couple last night, the old Koran being found pulled a few of them out of the woodwork.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437695624
48489471,48494960,2015-07-23 23:53:47,">>48494924
>plus degeneracy
There's also the French, Spanish, British, German etc....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695627
48489471,48494972,2015-07-23 23:54:05,">>48494516
I get more and more happy everyday realising that their are going to be more atheists or plain non-believers than ever before in a few years.
Christianity will die out within 50 years, then sand niggers will either be wiped out by angry dead Jew worshipers, or they'll Allah snackbar each other until there's nothing left.
Enjoy your cults for the stupid masses why you can, goy.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1437695645
48489471,48495025,2015-07-23 23:55:11,">>48494956
>HOW DID AN ILLITERATE MAN IN THE 7TH CENTURY KNOW ________",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695711
48489471,48495045,2015-07-23 23:55:38,">>48494890
So was the USSR but we knew the living standards there. Atheism kills period, it is a system of brutal slavery and genocide, this is how they even manage to survive.
I have spoken to many atheists at Atheist churches and /r/atheism and they all support mass genocide of anyone who doesn't agree with their cult.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695738
48489471,48495063,2015-07-23 23:56:04,">>48494487
>I can't argue my point, I am right because a philosopher once asserted something like what I agree with
>Dosen't even make an argument but shits philosophy as pure opinion
>>48494644
Read the rest of the post. And yes I would agree that the whole conversation is metaphysical bullshit (although I believe that because I'm non-religious) but atheists have done a very poor job of addressing theism on the metaphysical level and reconciling their philosophy with the metaphysical arguments. The priest I posted backs his entire career off of those arguments. Unless atheists are able to competently tackle them they can't touch the clergy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695764
48489471,48495079,2015-07-23 23:56:22,">>48494972
>implying fedoras won't die from how uncivilized and autistic they are",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695782
48489471,48495099,2015-07-23 23:56:46,">>48494823
> never has there been a prosperous atheist nation
Still doesn't make atheism less valid. 
Actually that argument is very shitty. 
Atheism is just recently becoming widely accepted. 
In all ages up until modern times, people have blindly followed religion, because there were no logical explanations for things explained through science, and or people want to feel special.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695806
48489471,48495123,2015-07-23 23:57:15,">>48494929
I've heard of only one atheist church, which appears to have been founded specifically to fuck with religious people. 
>I am an atheist myself and have been part of the religion of atheism. 
Liar, I've heard this line several times from lying religious people, desperate to smear atheists as some kind of opposing religion. 
Perhaps you could make a case about certain groups of progressive SJW's who claim they are atheists simply to piss off conservatives.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695835
48489471,48495139,2015-07-23 23:57:30,"why are atheists so cringy? like i really don't understand. I'm an atheist too, but why do you revel in your lack of belief? Why do you watch hours of videos, read through multiple pages of books, etc, on something that doesn't exist?
I just don't understand how you can put so much into a lack of belief.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695850
48489471,48495142,2015-07-23 23:57:32,">>48495063
>asserts own opinion as fact
>lol you need to disprove my opinion, i don't need to defend it because im always right",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437695852
48489471,48495162,2015-07-23 23:57:59,">>48495025
He was clearly a time traveler from the future like Genghis Khan, that's why they didn't have any pictures of him so people don't recognize him when he's born in the future.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695879
48489471,48495167,2015-07-23 23:58:05,">>48494413
>>48494553
actually you know what, that's a cop out, I'm a theist, just not a christian",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695885
48489471,48495180,2015-07-23 23:58:26,">>48495045
Now your just making shit up. 
No logical person supports genocide of another group based on objective beliefs",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695906
48489471,48495182,2015-07-23 23:58:27,">>48494847
>I don't claim to know everything about the universe. You seem to though. 
Yes and you've done a poor job at proving me wrong. Either something came out of nothing, which is illogical, or it came from a First Mover, which is. I've done my legwork defending my position so why don't you do the same.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695907
48489471,48495188,2015-07-23 23:58:37,">>48494972
The SJW movement is almost universally atheist. The slippery slope will only get slipperier without people who hold to traditional values",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437695917
48489471,48495227,2015-07-23 23:59:30,">>48495142
welp I suppose you've proven me wrong, glad I've been shown the light.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437695970
48489471,48495249,2015-07-24 00:00:00,">>48495188
>You have to be religious to hold traditional values. 
Just about as stupid as the baseless assertion that only religious people can be moral, a demonstrably false claim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696000
48489471,48495267,2015-07-24 00:00:20,">>48495099
It shows how inferior the idea of Atheism is. By natural law it is weaker and must be exterminated to make the human race stronger. What golden ages did we have under atheism aside form the mass genocides. I recall it was religious people who sent us to the moon. While atheism sent people to the gulags.
Atheism is nothing more than an idea for edgy sad virgins who got bullied at school and think that's why there is no G-d. If this were true then why are Jews(who believe in G-d) controlling the world. Clearly we are blessed by G-d)",,Anonymous,1436737511721.gif,DCSBuIurp0zYD3WnC5lmKA==,US,,1437696020
48489471,48495282,2015-07-24 00:00:32,">>48494201
Do you know what the problem is with the cosmological argument? It goes from ""Anything that comes into existence has a cause"" to ""a being, and that being is what we call God.""
The ""a being"" part is the great semantic trick they play in the argument. ""A being"" in the context of the argument itself doesn't have to have intellect or purposeful reason for creating anything.
I'll come back to that in a minute.
1. Anything that comes into existence has a cause
2. The universe came into existence.
Premise 1 is an axiom you would have to do some extreme mental gymnastics to disagree with. It's possible, but not necessary for this refutation.
Premise 2 is just plain undemonstrated (the conditions necessary for it to be true are not met). It was when the argument was first presented, and it still is to this day. At best, cosmologists can agree that the Big Bang model traces the origin of the universe as far back as the singularity, it makes no statements about *how* it ""came into existence"", but most importantly, *IF* it ""came into existence"" at all.
If Cosmology doesn't support premise 2, then the rest of the argument is dismissible as resting on an assumption.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696032
48489471,48495316,2015-07-24 00:01:24,">>48495063
>atheists have done a very poor job of addressing theism on the metaphysical level and reconciling their philosophy with the metaphysical arguments.
Metaphysical naturalism has so obviously won that it is the only thing used to seriously study the universe anymore. You're arguing from a pre-Newton perspective on studying the universe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696084
48489471,48495337,2015-07-24 00:01:48,">>48495180
No I'm not I've constructed several studies on the savagery of Atheism. I have tons of pic of atheists who support genocide of the human race.
I recall one atheist from reddit, saying how we must kill and bomb churches in a private chat among other top atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696108
48489471,48495369,2015-07-24 00:02:37,">>48495282
Back to ""a being""
That ""being"" might very well be the singularity which may never have ""came into existence"".
So *if* the ""first cause"" is ""the singularity"", then the ""first cause"" is ""the universe itself"", and ""the universe"" is what you call ""God.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696157
48489471,48495401,2015-07-24 00:03:17,">>48494727
I certainly do not think the priest has shown that the unmoved mover is any more acceptable than an infinite chain. 
claiming it doesn't answer anything doesn't make it less logical.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696197
48489471,48495447,2015-07-24 00:04:17,">>48495369
We'll go ahead and ignore the logical jump from ""first cause"" to ""intelligent being""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696257
48489471,48495466,2015-07-24 00:04:37,">>48495182
The first mover was the Sky Badger. Prove me wrong.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437696277
48489471,48495492,2015-07-24 00:05:18,">>48495267
Inferior?
at least my belief or non belief doesn't have to make something up. And by something I mean a huge story and belief that's based in the idea that you have to believe in this one mans godliness and if there are any logical contradictions to this story that satan is trying to deceive me or God is testing me lol. 
Theism is literally believing in fairy tales and making up something new every time there is logical reason against the bible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696318
48489471,48495494,2015-07-24 00:05:21,">>48495249
No but it's demonstrably true that atheists are more prone to 'moral slide' where their beliefs slide further to the left over time. Again, the SJWs are a pretty good example of a primarily atheistic movement who have gone to an extreme because there is nothing grounding their beliefs other than just co-opting anything that sounds like a good idea on the surface.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437696321
48489471,48495495,2015-07-24 00:05:23,">>48495182
>Either something came out of nothing, which is illogical, or it came from a First Mover
Is not the first mover considered ""something""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696323
48489471,48495542,2015-07-24 00:06:21,">>48494960
Not really, If degeneracy killed Rome it took hundreds of years to do it, and only killed half of it.
Those other enpirmes were also brought down by economic problems and succession disputes, except the British which dismantled itself. If realizing keeping people as slave is horrific counts as degenerate than I want to be degenerate",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696381
48489471,48495562,2015-07-24 00:07:01,">>48495492
>make up something
I guess this made up thing is the reason I don't even have to work hard and have miracles happen to me. You atheists are just sad people who think G-d doesn't exist cause your life is shitty
>tfw International Jew and control the economy because of G-d",,Anonymous,1410650044265.png,FzjTga4vvHakRvMqZAG49w==,US,,1437696421
48489471,48495597,2015-07-24 00:07:33,">>48495249
>culturally Christian",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696453
48489471,48495639,2015-07-24 00:08:29,">>48495337
Being an atheist myself, I would say that we are too logical for your beliefs to be correct. 
Logic is the reason why most of us are non believers. Why believe in something that doesn't logically make sense? 
Why would we want to kill theists? Theists keep the world in a state of sheepness, this will allow atheists to easily get ahead. 
Also top kek goes to:
>muh top atheist leaders in private chat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696509
48489471,48495670,2015-07-24 00:09:12,">>48495562
Exactly, atheists are idiots.
The Sky Badger has saved my life on many occasions.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437696552
48489471,48495742,2015-07-24 00:10:46,">>48495494
SJW's are not SJW because they are atheistic, they are SJW because they are hyper progressives, and progressivism is their grounding. 
SJW's adopt atheism for shallow reasons, not rational ones (surprise surprise) because they are irrational people. 
Liberals and especially progressives snap up atheists because the conservative right (which is mostly religious) has driven them away in my country.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696646
48489471,48495743,2015-07-24 00:10:47,">>48495562
And here comes the ad hom
Always comes down to that, theist ideas just can't hold water, that's why you won't actually try to argue against my points.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696647
48489471,48495755,2015-07-24 00:11:11,">>48495466
isn't that kind of a bad argument if the only thing he's arguing for is the existence of god, not a specific god?
call ""him"" what you want but the identity remains the same.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696671
48489471,48495775,2015-07-24 00:11:37,">>48495670
Okay, first of all, the Sky Badger doesn't save lives. Sky Badger's creations, us, can only find goodness through our natural purpose which is to know and love Sky Badger's son, Flying Squirrel. Flying Squirrel is also Sky Badger, they are fully one but also fully separate. So when Sky Badger sacrificed his only son to forgive our sins, He was making the ultimate sacrifice.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696697
48489471,48495863,2015-07-24 00:13:33,">>48495775
>Implying the one true god is not the Spaghetti Monster and his prophet Meatball (Sauce be upon him).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696813
48489471,48495870,2015-07-24 00:13:44,">>48495316
Modern society has rejected metaphysics outright. This perspective has nothing to do with Newton, it answers questions that Newton and physics can't even touch (fun fact, Newton was an occultist. Rumors say he valued his alchemetical work more than the mathematical).
>>48495401
So then how is an infinite chain logical?
>>48495495
Here is where things get weird. The mistake you are making is assuming that God is an object in the world, rather he is an uncreated metaphysical necessity on which everything else is contingent. You, I imagine, are falling into the ""if God created everything then who created God trap."" The point is that God is not a physical entity in the world, he is simply the actualization which grounds the universe. Go back and read the diagram for more, it does a better job explaining this that I can.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437696824
48489471,48495948,2015-07-24 00:15:47,">>48495755
That's heretical. The Sky Badger is real and created the Universe. There are no other gods and you can't just call him whatever you want or you will go to hell.
Stop being degenerate.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437696947
48489471,48496009,2015-07-24 00:17:12,">>48495870
>Modern society has rejected metaphysics
Wrong. Modern science works off of metaphysical naturalism. It has been this way for so many centuries that the word ""metaphysics"" isn't even brought up anymore. When it is, most scientists will know you are starting to propose some sort of other metaphysics that died many years ago.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697032
48489471,48496019,2015-07-24 00:17:26,Thoughts?,,Anonymous,Communism.jpg,WGk2k8UIW3cgccZ6149zLA==,US,,1437697046
48489471,48496074,2015-07-24 00:18:46,">>48494858
America is on the verge of figuring out how to print human organs from a machine and you say it's collapsing",,Anonymous,1437355255860.jpg,56ezX3gsVvUa1/g4Wmas+A==,US,,1437697126
48489471,48496085,2015-07-24 00:18:56,">>48495870
in the same way a uncaused cause is. Neither really makes a lot of sense. you might argue that the uncaused cause is necessary because an infinite chain makes no sense.
however I could reverse that and say that an infinite chain is necessary because an uncaused cause makes no sense",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697136
48489471,48496104,2015-07-24 00:19:25,">>48496019
Heh, nice. Someone will probably nit-pick about how you are talking about communism in practice, and not in theory. But good work otherwise. Both are parasitic ideas looking for control of their peoples' thoughts",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697165
48489471,48496336,2015-07-24 00:24:58,">>48496009
Metaphysical Naturalism rejects anything outside of the physical realm. It is purely reductionist and should not rightly be called metaphysics. More to the point, as I've shown, it fails to logically explain the origins of the universe.
>>48496085
Great. So one is right and one isn't. I've made my case now you make yours.
>Neither really makes a lot of sense
If you say this you don't understand the point of the argument. The First Mover is not some handwave means of explaining the universe, it is a logical necessity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697498
48489471,48496434,2015-07-24 00:27:22,">>48496336
>it fails to logically explain the origins of the universe.
No it doesn't. It just relies on evidence for explanation, which turns out to be the most effective way of figuring out how the universe actually works. Scientists are still working on the origins of the universe, it is unreasonable to expect us to know everything RIGHT NOW",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697642
48489471,48496454,2015-07-24 00:27:41,">>48494387
He is the main populariser of it and scholasticism as a whole these days. He and his books are the figure behind a lot of the 
scholastic you will see here.
>>48495282
When it comes to this the response by fesser is 
"" 3. “Why assume that the universe had a beginning?” is not a serious objection to the argument.
The main reason this is a bad objection, though, is that most versions of the cosmological argument do not even claim that the universe had a beginning. Aristotelian, Neo-Platonic, Thomistic, and Leibnizian cosmological arguments are all concerned to show that there must be an uncaused cause even if the universe has always existed. Of course, Aquinas did believe that the world had a beginning, but (as all Aquinas scholars know) that is not a claim that plays any role in his versions of the cosmological argument. When he argues there that there must be a First Cause, he doesn’t mean “first” in the order of events extending backwards into the past. What he means is that there must be a most fundamental cause of things which keeps them in existence at every moment, whether or not the series of moments extends backwards into the past without a beginning.
In fact, Aquinas rather famously rejected what is now known as the kalām argument. He did not think that the claim that the universe had a beginning could be established through philosophical arguments. He thought it could be known only via divine revelation, and thus was not suitable for use in trying to establish God’s existence. (Here, by the way, is another basic test of competence to speak on this subject. Any critic of the Five Ways who claims that Aquinas was trying to show that the universe had a beginning and that God caused that beginning – as Richard Dawkins does in his comments on the Third Way in The God Delusion – infallibly demonstrates thereby that he simply doesn’t know what he is talking about.)""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437697661
48489471,48496456,2015-07-24 00:27:44,">>48496336
>it fails to logically explain the origins of the universe.
At this point perhaps, but our understanding of the physical realm is always improving.
> The First Mover is not some handwave means of explaining the universe, it is a logical necessity.
but it is not, a infinite regression functions just as well in its place. how does a pure actually make any more sense?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697664
48489471,48496526,2015-07-24 00:29:29,">>48496454
>there must be something that keeps everything in existence
Why can't it stay in existence on its own? What keeps God in existence?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697769
48489471,48496578,2015-07-24 00:30:42,">>48496454
then explain because the image macro did not do a good job of it, why an already existing chain of actualities needs a pure actuality to stay in existence?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697842
48489471,48496609,2015-07-24 00:31:25,">>48489471
I'm too fucking lazy to read all the other responses so I'll just chime in with mine.
Nothing matters at all, there is no point to anything, and almost all potential knowledge is unknowable.
Thus, the question ""Why live?"" is no more valid than ""Why NOT live?"" I'm alive, and I enjoy certain things in life, so I just go with it rather than trying to find the point to it all. There is none. Accept the meaninglessness.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437697885
48489471,48496689,2015-07-24 00:32:39,">>48496609
Albert Camus
Please GTFO
Go be a whiny nihilist somewhere else.
The rest of us are perfectly capable of making out own meaning in life!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697959
48489471,48496705,2015-07-24 00:33:07,What you dipshits think morality just fucking comes out of nothing you dipshits? You dipshits think nihilism makes you productive you dipshits? Huh dipshits? Is that you think dipshits? You dipshits think a lack of religion is good for the majority you fucking dumb dipshits? Rebelling against your parents you dipshits? What is it dipshits? Why do you think you don't need God dipshits? Is it because you're dipshits?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437697987
48489471,48496723,2015-07-24 00:33:28,">>48496609
A thread along the same line starts here: >>48491259
I am involved in this thread, I think my responses are relevant to you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698008
48489471,48496735,2015-07-24 00:33:48,">>48496689
seems he has found a meaning, his own",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698028
48489471,48496743,2015-07-24 00:33:56,">>48496454
As far as Aquinas' argument from consistency, it rests on the proposition that conceivably, under different circumstances, the universe could not exist. Therefore, there must be a being which exists by necessity to not only have created the universe, but sustain the existence of the universe, whether it is eternal or not.
The problem is the proposition that the universe could conceivably not exist. All of my what? It sounds feasible on its surface, but the universe itself may just necessarily exist.
So in conclusion, the problem with all versions of the Cosmological argument is that they start by simply denying the universe itself the ability to fulfill the requirements they set forth in the argument for no god damned reason.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698036
48489471,48496765,2015-07-24 00:34:23,">>48496689
Any meaning you deduce is one you create yourself. The universe assigns no meaning or purpose to anything.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437698063
48489471,48496800,2015-07-24 00:35:08,">>48496705
Morality explained here.
>>48491322
Morality is fucking easy. Try asking an actually difficult question next time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698108
48489471,48496840,2015-07-24 00:35:43,">>48496765
>The universe assigns no meaning or purpose to anything.
I assign meaning and purpose to things. I am part of the universe. In fact, we could possibly be the universe's only way of assigning meaning and purpose. 
unless ayy lmao",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698143
48489471,48496961,2015-07-24 00:38:46,">>48496840
If you want to take credit as being equivalent to the entire universe then I suppose you can make that claim.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437698326
48489471,48497005,2015-07-24 00:39:35,">>48496961
I don't make that claim. Just as the brain is not the entire body, it is just the part that finds purpose, value, and meaning in things.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698375
48489471,48497079,2015-07-24 00:41:43,">>48496434
Again you are guilty of reducing metaphysical matters to physics. There cannot be any physical cause to the universe because anything that is physical is within the universe. Therefore we must look beyond the physical for the cause of the physical.
>>48496456
>At this point perhaps, but our understanding of the physical realm is always improving
Except, as I've said, it isn't a matter of physics but of logic. Things have a reason for existing, this is the basic claim of all the natural sciences. The existence of, say, a clock is based upon a clockmaker, his materials, etc. It is also based upon natural laws such as time or causality. The clock exists because of those, but why do those things exist? Every effect has it's cause, and the universe as a whole is no exception.
>but it is not, a infinite regression functions just as well in its place
Except it clearly doesn't. Any causal chain is dependent on it's first point. If it doesn't have one, in the case of infinite regression, then it doesn't move. This is what I mean when I say that pure actuality is a logical necessity and it was stated clearly in the video.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698503
48489471,48497172,2015-07-24 00:44:07,">>48497079
the very idea of an infinite regression implies it was always moving. it doesn't require a first point because every point on it is a first point.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698647
48489471,48497206,2015-07-24 00:45:00,">>48497005
Usually when people talk about meaning they are trying to find an objective fact, an identifiable reason why something happened or exists.
However, I am open to the idea that potentially anything has a ""meaning"" or ""purpose"" to it, but since only a consciousness can assign such qualities, they are inherently subjective concepts relevant only to the mind that creates them, similar to morality. /Objectively/, nothing exhibits those traits.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437698700
48489471,48497218,2015-07-24 00:45:19,The real question. Why do atheists post so much anime?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698719
48489471,48497227,2015-07-24 00:45:41,">>48497079
>Again you are guilty of reducing metaphysical matters to physics.
Again, I must tell you that we figured out metaphysics a long time ago and have since renamed the part that works to ""science"".
>There cannot be any physical cause to the universe because
The universe need not a cause. Claiming to know if the universe needs a cause or not is claiming knowledge that you can't possibly have. And trying to solve the problem of a caused universe by introducing uncaused ""non-physical"" things just kicks the problem down the line where you've defined things are beyond science and investigation, so cannot be falsified.
Sorry, I must again refer you to here: >>48493104",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437698741
48489471,48497254,2015-07-24 00:46:12,">>48497079
Again this guy has nailed it brilliantly. The Sky Badger must have created the Universe because he is magic and since the universe isn't magic only the Sky Badger's magic could have created it.
What type of Badgerian are you brother?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437698772
48489471,48497421,2015-07-24 00:50:07,">>48489949
because others have beliefs and they are not ok with it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699007
48489471,48497469,2015-07-24 00:51:17,">>48497421
I'm not okay with how religion affects politics. And I don't just mean Sharia Law. In the US we have problems such as:
a) ""In God We Trust"" was printed on the money being in the 1950's. This motto would not pass the lemon test (government shall not promote any religion).
b) Although it shouldn't be anybody's business, politicians' religious beliefs are put in the spot light. For example, many claimed Obama is a Muslim and didn't want to vote for him because of that. Romney is a Mormon. The Australian PM is atheist.
c) People are trying to throw out science and teach religion in our public schools. Religion has no place in these schools to brainwash our children. School is for learning and evolution is fact, not creationism or ID.
d) During holidays, there are posted signs of ""keep Christ in Christmas"" on public/government property. Besides being inaccurate, this will not pass the lemon test.
e) Politicians and others are using their religion as bases for laws such as gay marriage and abortion. No religion should be forced on everybody (freedom of religion).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699077
48489471,48497505,2015-07-24 00:52:07,">>48489942
>>48489845
>>48489785
>>48489725
>>48489471
pretty pathetic that atheist have to rip off christians on /pol/ just to get attention",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699127
48489471,48497542,2015-07-24 00:53:06,">>48497079
If you really want to carve up the universe stricly speaking everything that exists is just bits of atoms and gravity.
There is strictly speaking no clocks, no humans, no emotions, no earth, and no books. It's all just different shaped atoms.
If you want to even further we can head into quantom physics which says that all these atom bits are just energy vibrating at different frequencies. All vibrating on their own WITHOUT any outside source.
Strictly speaking the entire reality is just one giant ball of energy all vibrating by itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699186
48489471,48497572,2015-07-24 00:53:38,">>48497469
>The Australian PM is atheist.
Wut. Our PM is Catholic who went to seminary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott#Religion",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437699218
48489471,48497595,2015-07-24 00:54:20,">>48489949
when someone loves an idea they want to share it.
Why have a board dedicated to anime?
Why have a board dedicated to cooking?
Why have fucking anything?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699260
48489471,48497623,2015-07-24 00:55:10,">>48497505
Christians are worshipping the wrong god anyway. They are all going to hell. Enjoy your pain and torture heretic.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437699310
48489471,48497646,2015-07-24 00:55:35,">>48497595
Oh, was talking about Gillard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699335
48489471,48497662,2015-07-24 00:55:54,">>48497623
eat a pig dick achmed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699354
48489471,48497700,2015-07-24 00:56:40,">>48489471
Just merge this general with the leftist one.
Same shit. Better yet stop making them.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437699400
48489471,48497762,2015-07-24 00:58:15,">>48497700
Atheists can be conservative: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINa22UR0S4",,Anonymous,hitler_christ.jpg,QQF9kJCWMjyKa0hF04WGUQ==,US,,1437699495
48489471,48497785,2015-07-24 00:58:49,">>48497662
I am a Badgerian you retard. 
Worship his mighty claws or burn forever in the pit of fire.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437699529
48489471,48497852,2015-07-24 01:00:03,">>48497421
They are not okay with it because those with beliefs believe that those without beliefs must be eradicated.
They spent several centuries trying to eradicate those without beliefs. So we're going to spend the next few centuries eradicating those beliefs, hopefully without needing to eradicate those who have them, since that has never solved the problem.
The only feasible alternative to sitting here arguing about until the shit gets sorted out and we're all on the same page is this:>>48492217
You're allowed to believe what you want to believe. So am I.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699603
48489471,48497908,2015-07-24 01:01:22,">>48497469
there is little difference between the man telling me there is no god and the one telling me to worship one. both are trying to sell me what they claim is the one and only truth.",,Anonymous,11059884_953644534657400_1491464234430217148_n.jpg,h6IqHFc0aWK6jmK0pzK2XA==,US,,1437699682
48489471,48497918,2015-07-24 01:01:36,">>48497785
>Worship his mighty claws or burn forever in the pit of fire.
You need to give love of your own choice for it to have any meaning. Obviously if we were made in Heaven we would love Sky Badger, but then we wouldn't have any choice in the matter would we? Consider the Squirrels, they were made in Heaven, but they aren't Sky Badger's chosen because they had no choice over whether they loved Sky Badger or not. We do.
This is also the reason Sky Badger does not reveal himself openly. If everyone knew for a fact Sky Badger existed they would worship Him, not out of love, but out of fear of the consequences if they don't. Sky Badger wants your love, given freely and of your own choosing. The leap of faith you make when you believe He exists is the proof that you give yourself willingly to Him. Those who do get the reward of being with Him",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699696
48489471,48497987,2015-07-24 01:03:11,">>48497172
Go back to the diagram. On the traincar point the second guy made the exact same point and the third guy addressed it. Get back to me.
>>48497227
>Again, I must tell you that we figured out metaphysics a long time ago and have since renamed the part that works to ""science"".
If you claim that the physical sciences equate metaphysics then I'm sorry to tell you that you don't understand metaphysics. This is like Black Science Man claiming that philosophy is just useless semantics. Tell me what Stephen Hawking had to say about Hegelian dialectics.
>he universe need not a cause. Claiming to know if the universe needs a cause or not is claiming knowledge that you can't possibly have.
So you are basically saying that things can exist, indeed everything can exist, without a cause; that causality is selective where you want it to be. As I've said nothing within the universe is going to explain why there is something rather than nothing because nothing within the universe potent enough to do it. Unless you can come to a competent reason as to why there is something rather than nothing then Thomist metaphysics is the best answer.
>>48497542
Great. Why can they vibrate on their own again?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699791
48489471,48497995,2015-07-24 01:03:19,">>48497852
>You're allowed to believe what you want to believe. So am I.
the most level headed statement in this thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699799
48489471,48498078,2015-07-24 01:05:04,">>48497987
>If you claim that the physical sciences equate metaphysics 
Science isn't metaphysics, it is PART of metaphysical naturalism.
>So you are basically saying that things can exist, indeed everything can exist, without a cause;
Yes. And so are you if you are proposing a god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437699904
48489471,48498153,2015-07-24 01:07:03,">>48492026
>yeah man you guys posting young adult literature guides with little chinese cartoon mascots isn't a waste of everyone's time.
Sounds familiar.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700023
48489471,48498162,2015-07-24 01:07:11,">>48489669
>1st reply
>true religion
FEDORAFAGS BTFO",,Anonymous,1202_10151403005166800_556376486_n.jpg,CHEaVwKJuc1FTeLzCsCUug==,UY,,1437700031
48489471,48498195,2015-07-24 01:07:58,">>48496526
>>48496578
Exisitng outside the system God doesn't need something to keep him in existence. As for the other I cant remember it althought it is a point Wolfshiem has explained in some depth before.
I think it was along the lines of >>48496743",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437700078
48489471,48498424,2015-07-24 01:13:23,">>48498078
>Science isn't metaphysics, it is PART of metaphysical naturalism.
And you still prove my point. You know that another term for Metaphysical Naturalism is scientific materialism? It is a rejection of anything that cannot theoretically be explained by the physical sciences, which, if they thought for a moment, entails everything
>Yes. And so are you if you are proposing a god.
Clever girl, but remember that I said the First Mover is not an object in the world. He is, as it were, uncreated i.e. he is not limited in a physical form because otherwise that would negate his pure actuality. This point shows that you don't have a clear understanding of the Thomist view of God. Go back and read the diagram, hopefully that will clear away the confusion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700403
48489471,48498428,2015-07-24 01:13:27,">>48489669
Oh, hey, two forms of heresy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700407
48489471,48498442,2015-07-24 01:13:44,">>48498195
>Exisitng outside the system God doesn't need something to keep him in existence",,Anonymous,UVKvlUD.jpg,+2KlM6OSQejcBqii7Xhjbw==,US,,1437700424
48489471,48498520,2015-07-24 01:15:20,">>48498442
From what i gather he exists in the ""substance"" that permeates everything - its also how he can be omnipresent without being detectible because what we can experaince exists only in ""accidentals""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437700520
48489471,48498557,2015-07-24 01:16:17,">>48497505
They started it
Christfags constantly make their own generals and antagonize atheists with shitty fedora images
It was only a matter of time until it came full circle",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437700577
48489471,48498586,2015-07-24 01:16:59,">>48498424
>1
see >>48493104 and >>48494644
>2
Go back and read my critique here >>48492315",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700619
48489471,48498632,2015-07-24 01:17:59,If God isn't real then what started the Big Bang?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437700679
48489471,48498689,2015-07-24 01:19:29,">>48497700
Go back to church bong
Dead kike is calling",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437700769
48489471,48498706,2015-07-24 01:19:44,">>48498632
Intellectually honest people would admit that they don't know.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700784
48489471,48498714,2015-07-24 01:19:53,">>48498586
You realize I've responded to all of those right? More to the point >>48492315 again shows that you really don't grasp the concepts you are arguing against. Seriously, do your research.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700793
48489471,48498763,2015-07-24 01:20:55,">>48498714
>You realize I've responded to all of those right?
Yup, you've went full circle. Congrats.
>you really don't grasp the concepts you are arguing against.
Then explain how an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world yet remains immaterial",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700855
48489471,48498766,2015-07-24 01:21:03,">>48498632
true if every effect has a cause that what was the first cause or prime motivator?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700863
48489471,48498791,2015-07-24 01:21:54,">>48489669
Why do religious people get to ignore parts of the bible? You say liberal yet like 50% of the bible conflicts with views of liberals, so either you're a shitty liberal or a religious person waiting for hell.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700914
48489471,48498819,2015-07-24 01:22:44,">>48497987
>So you are basically saying that things can exist, indeed everything can exist, without a cause;
Yes.
>that causality is selective where you want it to be
If you're going to stop this process at your imaginary friend, then you are too.
The only difference is that we're stopping this causal chain right at the shit we can observe and demonstrate to exist. (the universe)
You're stopping the realm of supernatural entities of astronomical heft with no physical properties and no comprehensible description except willpower, omniscience, and omnipotence, who spends eternity torturing people who do not believe in its religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700964
48489471,48498827,2015-07-24 01:22:58,">>48498763
>Then explain how an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world yet remains immaterial
explain dark mater or dark energy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437700978
48489471,48498865,2015-07-24 01:23:55,">>48497987
>Great. Why can they vibrate on their own again?
Because there is no rule in physics that says that can't
It is the THEOLOGIANS that made the rule that they are not able to.
And this is what it comes down. Theologians, the people who fucking thought Succibuses were the reason for morning wood! (http://jaysanalysis.com/2010/05/22/st-augustine-on-incubi-succubi-and-the-nephilim/) are trying to tell PHYSICISTS how quantum mechanics work!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701035
48489471,48498881,2015-07-24 01:24:24,">>48498791
gaaaawwwd will forgive mah son for bein' a hoe moe sexsual if ah pray",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437701064
48489471,48498895,2015-07-24 01:24:42,New /pol/ is disgusting,,Anonymous,1403145131427.jpg,ZrjXkyvZGiWDlOhU2xkVFA==,MK,,1437701082
48489471,48498925,2015-07-24 01:25:21,">>48498895
meet the new /pol/ same as the old /pol/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701121
48489471,48498942,2015-07-24 01:26:02,jesus and i thought the concept of a christ-chan was pathetic,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437701162
48489471,48499012,2015-07-24 01:27:38,">>48489471
it sure it's summer",,Anonymous,407.png,bfMa0tfMXzQWCMdTIWUcRw==,MX,,1437701258
48489471,48499029,2015-07-24 01:28:08,">>48498827
dark matter is not inmaterial. It is made of material just material with very different properties.
Your turn.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701288
48489471,48499047,2015-07-24 01:28:51,">>48498895
>Implying Christfag circle jerks better",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701331
48489471,48499073,2015-07-24 01:29:25,">>48499047
*is better",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701365
48489471,48499092,2015-07-24 01:29:45,">>48498763
>Then explain how an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world yet remains immaterial
He exists outside the universe. Saying He is immaterial is only meant to emphasize that he is not matter, nor energy but something else entirely. Just because he is outside of the universe and not comprised of anything familiar to us does not mean He cannot influence the universe.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437701385
48489471,48499109,2015-07-24 01:30:11,"Atheism is like alien denial, it's a arrogant position with no basis on anything. It's faith in non-existance. The only God-tier scientific position for nonbelievers is pure agnosticism. And please don't bring up that cop out you guys like to call agnostic atheism, that shit doesn't fly here.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437701411
48489471,48499139,2015-07-24 01:30:58,">>48499029
>God is not immaterial. It is made of material just material with very different properties.",,Anonymous,1435795147121.gif,M0XL4SOaV9ff2DkgM3h35Q==,US,,1437701458
48489471,48499168,2015-07-24 01:31:58,">>48497918
Exactly. The fact I cannot show evidence of his existence is concrete proof that he exists.
That and I know that he is going to burn everyone that disagrees with me forever.
BURN, BURN, BURN, BURN. I WANT THEM ALL TO BURN.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437701518
48489471,48499195,2015-07-24 01:32:40,">>48498763
>Yup, you've went full circle. Congrats.
And you still haven't proven your point. As I've said I agree that as far as metaphysics go this one is irrelevant but nonetheless you are making the mistake of looking for purely physical causes. The existence of everything is the ""prediction"" we are working with here, what I am arguing is that nothing can exist without the First Mover due to the basic facts of contingency and causality.
>>48498763
Through the act of creation itself. I'm a Deist so this point is much easier for me than for others but this is all that is really needed. Again, go do the research before asking questions that Aquinas has already answered.
>>48498865
>Because there is no rule in physics that says that can't
Then why can they do what they do, and why are they there to do what they do?
>It is the THEOLOGIANS that made the rule that they are not able to.
And also Aristotle. And again dealing with metaphysics, not physics.
>>48498819
>If you're going to stop this process at your imaginary friend, then you are too
Again, there is a difference between bullshit Abrahamic Gods and the First Mover.
>The only difference is that we're stopping this causal chain right at the shit we can observe and demonstrate to exist. (the universe)
And if you stop it there your questions still aren't answered.
>You're stopping the realm of supernatural entities of astronomical heft with no physical properties and no comprehensible description except willpower, omniscience, and omnipotence, who spends eternity torturing people who do not believe in its religion.
Again, go read Aristotle before you make erroneous presumptions about my arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701560
48489471,48499226,2015-07-24 01:33:29,">>48499109
Agnostics are scum. They don't believe in the Sky Badger.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437701609
48489471,48499237,2015-07-24 01:33:37,">>48499092
>exists
>outside the universe
These two categorically contradict each other. If something exists, it's by definition inside the universe. To exist outside the universe is simply incoherent gibberish",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437701617
48489471,48499261,2015-07-24 01:34:22,">>48499092
>he is not matter, nor energy but something else entirely
Why should anyone accept this claim? What are the properties of God? How do you know?
>Just because he is outside of the universe
You are claiming you know there is an ""outside"" of the universe AND what is there.
Also saying that he is just ""something"" different than matter or energy doesn't solve this problem >>48496526",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701662
48489471,48499295,2015-07-24 01:35:07,">>48499109
Agnosticism is atheistic by definition.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701707
48489471,48499299,2015-07-24 01:35:14,">>48498632
Here's a crash course in Big Bang theory:
>The universe we can observe is, on average, expanding away from us.
>There is no reason to suggest this trend will stop in the future.
>There is no reason to suggest this trend would stop in the past.
>All available evidence suggests that at some time, the universe was condensed into a infinitesimally small point.
>This is what we refer to as the singularity.
>The ""Big Bang"" is the expansion, and it is still apparently happening.
There are an indefinite number of possibilities as to how this singularity came into existence, assuming it ever came into existence in the first place. The science comes to a standstill.
God could have done it.
The Grithnok could have done it.
The supercomputer famous for giving ""42"" as the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything could have done it.
It could have done itself.
No one knows.
So this is where you can freely come in and make shit up.",,Anonymous,eris_36.jpg,FXRImHluAVRt7ceHEPr9OA==,US,,1437701714
48489471,48499303,2015-07-24 01:35:18,">>48499109
>Atheism is like alien denial
Oh so you have conclusive evidence that proves that aliens exist?
I'd like to see that.
>it's a arrogant position with no basis on anything
Not believing things without evidence is arrogant? Ok?
>It's faith in non-existance
Ah it didn't take you long. Which parent taught you that retarded 'argument'?
I don't have faith in anything.
If I tell you I have a jar of marbles and there's an even number of marbles in the jar... you saying you don't believe my claim does NOT mean you believe there's an odd number in there.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437701718
48489471,48499329,2015-07-24 01:35:57,">>48499109
oh and:
>hurrrrrrr agnosticism/gnosticism and atheism/theism are mutually exclusive
try going to school or reading a book or something",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437701757
48489471,48499354,2015-07-24 01:36:33,">>48499195
You've seriously stopped making sense. Enjoy your fantasy world",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701793
48489471,48499405,2015-07-24 01:37:36,">>48499261
>You are claiming you know there is an ""outside"" of the universe AND what is there.
God created the universe. How could He create the universe if he exists within it?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437701856
48489471,48499415,2015-07-24 01:37:52,">>48499354
>You've seriously stopped making sense.
Explain. This is usually the same response I get when I argue with stormfags so forgive me for being skeptical.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701872
48489471,48499422,2015-07-24 01:38:05,">>48499195
>Again, there is a difference between bullshit Abrahamic Gods and the First Mover.
>Again, go read Aristotle before you make erroneous presumptions about my arguments.
I'm giving you a hard time. I understand the difference. No one knows what the prime mover is, and whether or not it's the universe itself. Especially you.
>And if you stop it there your questions still aren't answered.
Oh no. Questions we don't have answers for? How could I live in such a state? I must make something up immediately!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437701885
48489471,48499477,2015-07-24 01:39:09,">>48499405
>God created the universe, therefore he exists",,Anonymous,mufasa.jpg,JRJGw7AIfmt+SqVfYikgAg==,US,,1437701949
48489471,48499529,2015-07-24 01:40:08,">>48499415
> This is usually the same response I get when I argue with stormfags so forgive me for being skeptical.
>multiple people have told me I'm not making sense. Clearly the fault doesn't lie with my faulty arguments/argumentation style",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702008
48489471,48499537,2015-07-24 01:40:22,">>48499295
nope. agnostic theist here. I choose to believe in divinity but know it can not be proven right or wrong. which is why I don't try to convert anyone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702022
48489471,48499611,2015-07-24 01:42:03,">>48499537
>inb4 gnostic theists try to tell you that you don't exist",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702123
48489471,48499627,2015-07-24 01:42:31,">>48499295
>Agnosticism is atheistic by definition.
>tips fedora
You must be new to the world of agnosticism, true agnosticism is just perpetual doubt. The only certainty in agnosticism is that you don't know.
>>48499303
>Oh so you have conclusive evidence that proves that aliens exist?
>I'd like to see that.
>moving the goalposts
You have proof they don't? Because it seems horribly arrogant to claim we're the only planet with life on the entire universe when we're less than a grain of sand in the beach. What makes this grain of sand so special? The probability of finding more than one occurrence of life in the infinity converges to one.
>Not believing things without evidence is arrogant? Ok?
>atheism
>not believing
atheism is the literal belief that there isn't any kind of God/superior entity/whatever
>If I tell you I have a jar of marbles and there's an even number of marbles in the jar... you saying you don't believe my claim does NOT mean you believe there's an odd number in there.
that's agnosticism, shitlord
atheism is literally claiming there's an odd number",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437702151
48489471,48499641,2015-07-24 01:42:53,">>48499537
>>48499611
I feel like most theists are agnostic. They call it their faith for a reason.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702173
48489471,48499751,2015-07-24 01:45:28,"guys
go to the catholic general
gayest thing ive ever seen tbh
there was some guy who said he was crying because he sinned and the sky man was gonna punish him
it's like i'm in 200 BC",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437702328
48489471,48499752,2015-07-24 01:45:29,"Eh. I'm an agnostic. I don't have beliefs, but I have many suspicions.
One of those suspicions is that deities don't exist.
I suspect deities don't exist, so I'm pretty sure that puts me in the atheist category.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702329
48489471,48499785,2015-07-24 01:46:20,">>48499422
>No one knows what the prime mover is, and whether or not it's the universe itself.
Except of course Aquinas, the person who's whole philosophical career is based off of expanding Aristotle's idea of it. To claim that it's the universe itself is a form of infinite regression, there must be a reason that the universe exists in the first place.
>Oh no. Questions we don't have answers for? How could I live in such a state? I must make something up immediately!
Right, like a logical metaphysical non-religious stance.
>>48499529
>multiple people have told me I'm not making sense. Clearly the fault doesn't lie with my faulty arguments/argumentation style
Same from stormfags. And clearly the fault doesn't lie in people who are making objections to Thomist logic that they would never have if they actually read the texts, like nullifying metaphysics and misunderstanding basic causality and contingency.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702380
48489471,48499795,2015-07-24 01:46:29,">>48499751
I made a screenshot of a finding from the last catholic general, this guy made a bunch of posts explaining each anime",,Anonymous,catholic_general.png,ex8FNjNpt+sz6XqjIow5CQ==,US,,1437702389
48489471,48499800,2015-07-24 01:46:36,">>48499751
Both of these circlejerks are fucking atrocious and I wish the lot of you would fuck off to /b/",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702396
48489471,48499804,2015-07-24 01:46:42,">>48499627
>You have proof they don't?
>LEL ALIENS/GOD EXISTS PROVE ME WRONG
I don't think you understand what 'shifting the goalposts' is at all you stupid cunt.
>Because it seems horribly arrogant to claim we're the only planet with life on the entire universe when we're less than a grain of sand in the beach.
When did I say we were the only planet with life?
Again, I'd LOVE to see your conclusive evidence that proves aliens exist. I'm sure the entire scientific community would love to read your paper.
>atheism is the literal belief that there isn't any kind of God/superior entity/whatever
Not believing a claim does not mean you believe the opposite of the claim.
Are you 12 years old?
>that's agnosticism, shitlord
atheism is literally claiming there's an odd number
Wow you're a fucking stupid cunt.
Agnosticism/gnosticism is what you KNOW. Theism/atheism is what you BELIEVE.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702402
48489471,48499814,2015-07-24 01:46:55,">>48499627
What god do you believe in?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437702415
48489471,48499838,2015-07-24 01:47:40,">>48499627
Belief and ""not knowing"" are mutually exclusive. Ergo agnosticism is atheistic. Most Atheists aren't ""certain"" that a god doesn't exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702460
48489471,48499839,2015-07-24 01:47:40,">>48499785
>Same from stormfags. And clearly the fault doesn't lie in people who are making objections to Thomist logic that they would never have if they actually read the texts, like nullifying metaphysics and misunderstanding basic causality and contingency.
Congratulations on writing so much without actually responding to my greentext",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702460
48489471,48499849,2015-07-24 01:47:57,">>48499752
>I suspect deities don't exist, so I'm pretty sure that puts me in the atheist category.
Yeah, technically. No one will hold it against you if you don't ever mention that in conversation though. (I just say I'm not religious)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702477
48489471,48499866,2015-07-24 01:48:25,">>48499814
I'm Catholic but was agnostic when I was faithless",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437702505
48489471,48499877,2015-07-24 01:48:37,">>48499838
>Ergo agnosticism is atheistic
No. There are agnostic theists.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702517
48489471,48499903,2015-07-24 01:49:20,>>48499838,,Anonymous,agnostic_atheist.jpg,2n/NU40fsUqL5bGJaAC9dQ==,US,,1437702560
48489471,48499926,2015-07-24 01:49:58,">>48499641
that is the way I see it. anyone who claims to have the one and only truth is trying to sell you something.",,Anonymous,15 - 1-5.gif,2XvyKpgGTcnIVzd/JZkcCw==,US,,1437702598
48489471,48499971,2015-07-24 01:51:06,">>48499785
>there must be a reason that the universe exists in the first place.
I already addressed Aquinas' premise.
He outright denies that the universe can fulfill the requirements of being a necessarily existent prime mover because he claims he can conceive of a set of circumstances in which the universe doesn't exist, therefore the prime mover must be an external source. There is no logical justification for his claim or his reasoning. It's literally the equivalent of ""God exists, therefore, God exists.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702666
48489471,48499990,2015-07-24 01:51:37,">>48499804
>I don't think you understand what 'shifting the goalposts' is at all you stupid cunt.
I don't think you're mentally able to fully grasp the concept of infinity, you stupid cunt.
>When did I say we were the only planet with life?
>aliens don't exist
>we're not the only planet with life
pick one, faggot
>Not believing a claim does not mean you believe the opposite of the claim.
plain ""non believing"" is agnosticism. You're only atheist when you claim there's no god, therefore believing in god's nonexistence.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437702697
48489471,48500052,2015-07-24 01:52:57,">>48499903
that chart is just modern atheistic self indulgence. Proper atheists aren't agnostic.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437702777
48489471,48500078,2015-07-24 01:53:39,">>48499641
>I feel like most theists are agnostic. They call it their faith for a reason.
kek, I guess us Catholics are agnostic too then",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437702819
48489471,48500079,2015-07-24 01:53:40,">>48499838
see>>48499641
and>>48499537",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702820
48489471,48500095,2015-07-24 01:54:03,">>48500052
See:
>>48499752
Don't ""no true scotsman"" me. I'll fuck your asshole.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702843
48489471,48500157,2015-07-24 01:55:31,">>48499990
>I don't think you're mentally able to fully grasp the concept of infinity, you stupid cunt.
hahaha fucking what?
Hey anon do aliens exist?
>""infinity""
Oh well you certainly proved your case.
Post a timestamped pic of your date of birth. If you're older than 16 you should kill yourself.
>pick one, faggot
What?
>plain ""non believing"" is agnosticism. 
That's funny because agnosticism/gnosticism deals with KNOWLEDGE. So I'm not sure how you think belief has anything to do with it.
>You're only atheist when you claim there's no god, therefore believing in god's nonexistence.
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid cunt?
Someone claiming there is NO god is a gnostic atheist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702931
48489471,48500171,2015-07-24 01:55:52,">>48500052
The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437702952
48489471,48500184,2015-07-24 01:56:09,">>48500052
as if there is such a thing as a ""proper"" atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437702969
48489471,48500198,2015-07-24 01:56:35,">>48499990
>I don't think you're mentally able to fully grasp the concept of infinity, you stupid cunt.
Nor is anyone else on this planet, you moron",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437702995
48489471,48500253,2015-07-24 01:57:53,"NEW THREAD
>>48500212
>>48500212
>>48500212
OPPOSE ARTIFICIAL BUMP LIMITS",,Anonymous,1418119564404.jpg,5Bq6E0Ph7G2yhJyQ4YSCgw==,US,,1437703073
48489471,48500258,2015-07-24 01:58:02,">>48499405
I can create a house and simultaneously exist within it. 
It would be a bit tougher than building a house from outside, but still completely feasible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703082
48489471,48500265,2015-07-24 01:58:14,">>48499866
And here we get to the route of the problem and why you have decided to come into this thread strawmanning all over the place.
If you were actually this pure agnostic that you are talking about you would realise that there are thousands of made up gods already and that you could write a computer program making up millions more a minute. You are equally uncertain about whether any of these millions and millions exist or whether none of them do and your position would be absolutely identical to the people who are calling themselves atheists in this thread.
I bet your waivering between Catholicism and not believing. This is why religious people love to push this agnostic vs atheist bullshit because they are always thinking ""aha agnostic they think my religion migh be right"". I bet you have no thoughts at all towards Hanuman the Monkey God that could be considered close to ""he might be real"" even if you are not ruling out his existence.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437703094
48489471,48500269,2015-07-24 01:58:17,">>48500157
>Hey anon do aliens exist?
>""infinity""
>Oh well you certainly proved your case.
go read a book
>>48500198
>what is topology
>what is an open set
kek",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703097
48489471,48500272,2015-07-24 01:58:23,">>48500184
'proper' atheists must be the ones that follow the official rulebook set by the elected atheist leaders",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703103
48489471,48500312,2015-07-24 01:59:40,">>48500269
>go read a book
Yes I've been asking to see which book I need to read that proves conclusively that aliens exist.
It's funny because didn't some cunt just spend $100m trying to find evidence of aliens existing. 
Why spend the money if it's already been proven?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703180
48489471,48500349,2015-07-24 02:00:24,">>48500265
it's pure faith actually, reason and faith go in separate ways even if they cross sometimes. I obtained my faith by accident so this argument makes no sense.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703224
48489471,48500424,2015-07-24 02:02:25,">>48499971
Response in new thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703345
48489471,48500460,2015-07-24 02:03:19,">>48500312
dude, seriously, read a book. At least read about the Miller–Urey experiment. If we go by maximum likelihood the hypothesis of alien life is more likely to be the true one than the hypothesis of non-existence. Enjoy thinking you're an special snowflake in a special snowflake planet if that makes you feel better though.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703399
48489471,48500532,2015-07-24 02:05:31,">>48500460
>hypothesis 
>likely
I don't think you know what those words actually mean.
Something being more or less likely than something else, doesn't actually fucking mean it's the case. 
A hypothesis doesn't mean it's true.
Jesus christ you're fucking ignorant.
Again, which book proves conclusively that aliens exist?
> Enjoy thinking you're an special snowflake in a special snowflake planet if that makes you feel better though.
Cool strawman you autistic cunt.
Please point out exactly where I said that aliens conclusively DO NOT exist",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703531
48489471,48500614,2015-07-24 02:07:36,">>48500532
maximum likelihood is a probabilistic method. Don't talk shit about things you don't understand, ignorant plebeian. Take a probability and statistics course before talking shit.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703656
48489471,48500675,2015-07-24 02:08:54,">>48500532
>Again, which book proves conclusively that aliens exist?
I didn't claim they don't exist, all I said is alien denial is retarded, arrogant, and unscientific. Science deals with odds, believe it or not.
But hey, you probably barely made out of math in high school.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703734
48489471,48500691,2015-07-24 02:09:18,">>48500349
Well off to new thread now but let me just put it this way. I simply don't believe you when you claim you are different to the atheists in this thread with regards to your possible belief in, say, Binggleboppybop the Black Destroyer of Asgorth.
You can lie about what you think and try and misrepresent their opinions by saying they don't believe in him and you think he might exist, but I wouldn't believe for one second that you think there is more than a tiny infinitesimal chance that he does and is the creator of the Universe.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437703758
48489471,48500747,2015-07-24 02:10:26,">>48500614
>likelihood means it's true
>Take a probability and statistics course before talking shit.
>there's a 1/2 chance of a dice landing on either side of a coin, therefore if I flip a coin twice it WILL land once on each side.
Jesus fucking christ you're retarded.
>>48500675
>I didn't claim they don't exist
What the fuck are you on about you silly cunt?
When did I say that YOU said they don't exist?
> all I said is alien denial is retarded, arrogant, and unscientific
I think you'll find that saying that 100% conclusively do exist is the most unscientific thing you can do.
>Science deals with odds, believe it or not.
Yep, you're retarded.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703826
48489471,48500827,2015-07-24 02:12:55,">>48500532
>Again, which book proves conclusively that aliens exist?
>Please point out exactly where I said that aliens conclusively DO NOT exist
nice Alinsky-tier debating, asking me to do what you can't
>>48500691
the difference is that the religious stems his faith from revelation, while the atheist forcefully derives his faith in nonexistance from his very own mind.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703975
48489471,48500833,2015-07-24 02:13:02,">>48500747
>dice
>coin
fug. changed my example but because you're a pedantic retarded autistic cunt you'll try and use that as some form of greentext bullshit",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703982
48489471,48500861,2015-07-24 02:13:44,">>48500827
>nice Alinsky-tier debating, asking me to do what you can't
I can't do it because I'm not trying to claim they don't.
How the fuck are you STILL not understanding this.
Point out to me exactly where I have said aliens DO NOT exist.
I'll wait.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704024
48489471,48500914,2015-07-24 02:14:52,">>48500747
>there's a 1/2 chance of a dice landing on either side of a coin, therefore if I flip a coin twice it WILL land once on each side.
that's bullshit, and this proves you don't grasp the concept of infinity. The universe is literally flipping the coin infinite times.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704092
48489471,48500945,2015-07-24 02:15:42,">>48500914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers#Strong_law
some food for thought",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704142
48489471,48501014,2015-07-24 02:17:25,">>48500914
Are you mentally handicapped?
You have no fucking clue what infinity means, yet you're trying to use it as some form of intellectual checkmate.
That's not how it works at all.
I'd love to hear you explain what infinity means. It will be good for a laugh if anything.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704245
48489471,48501024,2015-07-24 02:17:45,">>48500827
Well at least you have admitted that you are in fact religious and not a ""pure agnostic"".
If you had just been honest and said I'm actually a Christian with some doubts you could have saved making youself look ridiculous in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437704265
48489471,48501115,2015-07-24 02:19:57,">>48501014
see >>48500945
>>48501024
I said I used to be a pure agnostic, not that I am. I converted afterwards. And I have no doubts.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704397
48489471,48501168,2015-07-24 02:21:21,">>48501115
So you can't actually explain what 'infinity' means?
I thought so. Fucking retard. Next time stop trying to use things that don't mean what you think they mean as rebuttals. It will only end poorly for you.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704481
48489471,48501325,2015-07-24 02:25:19,">>48501168
you have an infinite universe with infinite planets, the hypothesis that only our planet has the conditions to harbor life, when they aren't that hard to produce, is ridiculous. The idea that this is the only planet with life on it contradicts the laws of probability.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704719
48489471,48501680,2015-07-24 02:34:34,">>48498791
Because I'm a catholic, man. Ignoring half the bible is like our thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705274
48489471,48501765,2015-07-24 02:36:42,">>48501680
The Old Testament is for Jews and Protestanz",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705402
48500212,48500212,2015-07-24 01:56:57,"Discuss, ask questions, and be polite.
Today's thread question: What is your worldview? Why?",Atheism General 2,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,cBZu0yGIQM5BriJiiaHzdA==,US,,1437703017
48500212,48500390,2015-07-24 02:01:27,">>48500212
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703287
48500212,48500404,2015-07-24 02:01:51,">>48499839
>Congratulations on writing so much without actually responding to my greentext
Not my fault if you can't articulate a proper counterargument.
>>48499971
The point is that the state in which the universe doesn't exist is one without the First Mover, i.e. there is nothing to actualize potential. It isn't ""God exists, therefore, God exists,"" rather it's ""God exists because he has to exist."" The point is that there is nothing INTERNAL to the universe that makes it necessarily exist, so there must be something EXTERNAL. The argument from contingency is admittedly grounded in blatanly outdated parts of Aristotilean metaphysics but is isn't a necessary part of the Five Ways anyways.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703311
48500212,48500421,2015-07-24 02:02:21,">>48500390
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703341
48500212,48500447,2015-07-24 02:03:09,">>48500404
>Not my fault if you can't articulate a proper counterargument.
That's literally what you did. You articulated a whole pile of bullshit without actually responding to what I'd said.
It's like if I just quote you then post a few chapters of harry potter in response.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703389
48500212,48500452,2015-07-24 02:03:13,what does it mean to be an atheist?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703393
48500212,48500453,2015-07-24 02:03:13,">>48500421
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703393
48500212,48500514,2015-07-24 02:04:54,">>48500452
It means lacking belief in deities. In this way, even newborn babies are atheists",,Anonymous,1437450280358.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437703494
48500212,48500519,2015-07-24 02:05:04,">>48500452
For me its merely the answer to a single theistic claim. 
That claim being ""There is a God"". 
To me it is not a political or social structure, it's only one component of what I am as an individual.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703504
48500212,48500524,2015-07-24 02:05:12,">ITT: arrogant faggots who think they are ""scientifically minded"" but actually fall for cheap empiricism
>aliens don't exist",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703512
48500212,48500536,2015-07-24 02:05:34,">>48500212
>Today's thread question: What is your worldview? Why?
It's Christian. Why? Because atheism is shit. Now fuck off, you retard.",,Anonymous,lebacktoauschwitzfaggot.jpg,DMkKA6Zs+D3FDZI/sjXPGQ==,DE,,1437703534
48500212,48500540,2015-07-24 02:05:37,">>48500453
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_classy.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1437703537
48500212,48500541,2015-07-24 02:05:38,">>48500514
that's agnosticism, shitlord",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437703538
48500212,48500554,2015-07-24 02:06:02,">>48500452
Not believing in the claim that a god or gods exist. That is literally all. It is a single answer to a single question.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703562
48500212,48500583,2015-07-24 02:06:43,">>48500541
Agnosticism is a claim about knowledge, not gods. Now go worship virgins",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703603
48500212,48500606,2015-07-24 02:07:22,">>48500524
>ITT: arrogant faggots who think they are ""scientifically minded"" but actually fall for cheap empiricism
>aliens don't exist
Not believing something exists != believing something does not exist
Surely I don't have to continually explain this to you.
Why the fuck would you believe in something that you have zero proof of it existing? Oh, it's because you're an ignorant cunt.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703642
48500212,48500617,2015-07-24 02:07:41,">>48500212
>>>/mlp/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703661
48500212,48500636,2015-07-24 02:07:59,">>48500541
We've already explained this to you in the last thread. 
I know your third world education hasn't done you any favours but please try to use your brain.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703679
48500212,48500650,2015-07-24 02:08:15,">>48500447
I mean your only response to me was you saying they proved me wrong meanwhile I repeatedly showed their flaws so I really don't see what your getting at here. You weren't even a part of our conversation Australia, you just barged in and started flinging insults. If you don't want to actually counter my argument then what is your goal?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703695
48500212,48500651,2015-07-24 02:08:17,">>48500212
Nietzschein world view
Humanity works for the creation of creating a better man, the Overman.
Culture and art are to inspire the Overman
Science is to both literally build the Overman (genetic engineering, cyborg stuff) and to build tools for him
The vast majority of humans are simply here to keep the machine running. Ie the fast industry workers are there so that the people doing the heavy listing in science and art can have something to eat.
The military is to protect our advanced society which is building said Overman.
Also watching lots of anime is fun.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703697
48500212,48500652,2015-07-24 02:08:20,">>48500212
>>>/r/atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703700
48500212,48500664,2015-07-24 02:08:34,">>48500617
If we wanted a fantasy world we would be Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703714
48500212,48500690,2015-07-24 02:09:13,">>48500652
>>>/r/Christianity 
It's a safe place where we can't hurt your delicate feelings",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703753
48500212,48500696,2015-07-24 02:09:24,">>48500212
My world view is an agglomeration of various parts of other world views created before I was born or before I knew what world view I even held. 
In simplest terms, I'm somewhat liberal on some things, libertarian on others, conservative on yet others. As to the existence of Gods or a God I am Atheistic. 
I couldn't offer anything more precise without someone asking clarifying questions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703764
48500212,48500743,2015-07-24 02:10:21,">>48500514
The sheer audacity of this sentence is already making me nearly puke. Christians have atleast the sense to only include people into their circle after an initiation ritus while atheists even try to grab my newborn baby and force it into their club.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437703821
48500212,48500751,2015-07-24 02:10:36,">>48500690
>>48500664
>>48500536
You guys are actually bumping the thread.
I guess we should thank you for promoting our cause.
KEEP IT UP!",,Anonymous,1437355255860.jpg,56ezX3gsVvUa1/g4Wmas+A==,US,,1437703836
48500212,48500761,2015-07-24 02:10:54,">>48500212
I've been an atheist for about 15 years and I'm about to start going back to church. I have many regrets and I can't honestly say my lack of faith has benefited me or made my life better in any way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703854
48500212,48500788,2015-07-24 02:11:41,">>48500212
Y'all niggers need Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437703901
48500212,48500793,2015-07-24 02:11:45,">>48500650
Ok you dumb cunt... just because YOU think you're making sense and just because YOU think you're 'showing their flaws' doesn't mean that's actually what's happening.
If someone comes up to me and starts speaking french, they think they're making sense, but to the person they're talking to it's gibberish.
This is really simple stuff to understand, doesn't surprise me you're not getting it.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437703905
48500212,48500803,2015-07-24 02:12:09,">>48500761
>truth is about benefits
Since when?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437703929
48500212,48500881,2015-07-24 02:14:21,">>48500761
>lying to myself is better than not lying to myself",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704061
48500212,48500895,2015-07-24 02:14:33,">>48500788
Shame he's long dead then. The dude lived two thousand years ago.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437704073
48500212,48500915,2015-07-24 02:14:55,">>48500743
Basically
>>48500514
New born babies do not have a concept of God so they cannot say whether there is a god or isn't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704095
48500212,48500930,2015-07-24 02:15:15,">>48500404
>The point is that there is nothing INTERNAL to the universe that makes it necessarily exist
This claim is both undemonstrated and potentially undemonstrable, assuming it contains any comprehensive meaning whatsoever.
I'm still not seeing a logical basis upon which to conclude that infinite regress is impossible (and quite the opposite, in fact, that a prime mover must necessarily violate this premise to make it viable in the first place), or that the universe itself cannot exist out of necessity.
Point is: NO ONE can ""conceive of a set of circumstances in which the universe does not exist"", and if you can, then I can just as easily claim that ""I can conceive of a set of circumstances in which your prime mover does not exist.""
You can dress up this strawman in as many technical ways as you want to get around how obviously questionable it is, but when we boil it all down, this is what you have left:
>The universe exists, therefore, God exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704115
48500212,48501054,2015-07-24 02:18:24,">>48500914
Guys aliens exist because 'infinity' apparently.
Giant green elephants with rollerblade hands also exist because 'infinity'.
Thor exists because 'infinity'.
Square circles exist because 'infinity'.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704304
48500212,48501064,2015-07-24 02:18:43,">>48500761
Well duh, atheism on its own doesn't do anything. You still have to find your own purpose in life.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704323
48500212,48501088,2015-07-24 02:19:23,">>48500751
Fuck off, you believe in nihilism. You're everything wrong with this country and Soviet Russia",,Anonymous,ZG0Kvct21.png,8YGyELZqptDPz14mT1tCRA==,US,,1437704363
48500212,48501089,2015-07-24 02:19:24,">>48500751
>promoting our cause.
Too bad you are also siding with feminism so any 'cause' you think you might have is a lost cause.",,Anonymous,nope.jpg,zWYVlKtH8wGxRLMNh0Tn1w==,DE,,1437704364
48500212,48501092,2015-07-24 02:19:26,">>48500453
>Recommended reading - Scientific:
>Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong treats Moses and Abraham as historical people and she doesn't even have a degree in history or biblical studies. There is nothing scientific about her works.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1437704366
48500212,48501120,2015-07-24 02:19:59,jesus christ just kill yourself you cancerous shit,,Anonymous,,,MK,,1437704399
48500212,48501137,2015-07-24 02:20:30,agnostic theist checking in. I choose to believe but don't think it can be proven right or wrong.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704430
48500212,48501151,2015-07-24 02:20:57,">>48501054
That guy proved what we already know. The majority of the people that pop up on these threads saying ""hurrah I'm an agnostic"" are just liars that are actually religious and pretending to be an agnostic because they think it makes a better argument.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437704457
48500212,48501152,2015-07-24 02:20:59,">>48501092
Should I rename that section ""Historical""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704459
48500212,48501157,2015-07-24 02:21:05,">>48500761
If you are truely incapable of finding meaning without God than you probably should be a Christian. A false meaning in a false Spirit World is better than nothing at all.
Or you could just make your own fucking meaning, but again if you are incapable of doing that be a Christian.",,Anonymous,Our perspective.jpg,Cf7/cQV9I+HaVoUS14iqJQ==,US,,1437704465
48500212,48501161,2015-07-24 02:21:11,">>48501054
faggot, the whole argument went over your head",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704471
48500212,48501164,2015-07-24 02:21:16,">>48500212
I'm not posting in thread that paints me as a goddamn brony. 
Fuck you OP. 
There is more atheism than fucking Dawkins too. It's like your just forcing a meme here.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704476
48500212,48501183,2015-07-24 02:21:46,">>48501088
>Soviet Russia.
Russia, like the US is a Corporate Oligarchy. 
Also Russia is currently exceptionally Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704506
48500212,48501196,2015-07-24 02:22:01,">>48501151
where did I say I am agnostic? I've been Roman Catholic for 4 years by now.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704521
48500212,48501201,2015-07-24 02:22:06,">>48501088
You believe in Satanism.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437704526
48500212,48501218,2015-07-24 02:22:40,">>48501089
I'm an Objectivist bro. We've been atheists against feminism since before the Internet ever fucking existed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704560
48500212,48501239,2015-07-24 02:23:08,">>48501164
>I'm not posting in a thread that paints me as a goddamn brony. 
>Proceeds to post in the thread. 
For what purpose?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704588
48500212,48501241,2015-07-24 02:23:08,">>48501161
So are you going to explain in your own words what 'infinity' means or just try to post some wikipedia article that doesn't mean what you think it means?
Oh and I'm still waiting for conclusive proof that aliens exist. You'll save that russian guy $100m
>>48501196
here >>48501115",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704588
48500212,48501274,2015-07-24 02:24:00,What is the best store for Atheist fashion accessories? (Preferably one that doesn't support the Republican party),,Anonymous,1434867000271.jpg,cXV6fWVA4wkb/FxQFkVD/g==,US,,1437704640
48500212,48501285,2015-07-24 02:24:11,">>48501164
I can edit the pony out if you want :3
I didn't draw it. I don't like the pony either, but I do like Fedora-chan. She is a cutie",,Anonymous,uncolored_sword.jpg,2hWOK1cgsj3hlWlfr7U9+g==,US,,1437704651
48500212,48501304,2015-07-24 02:24:39,">>48501161
No, you just spouted unjustified nonsense. Unlike what you probably think, until something is demonstrated to exist in reality, you're not rationally justified to believe it does.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437704679
48500212,48501321,2015-07-24 02:25:13,">>48500212
They actually started a daily *le tippy* thread. God fucking damn it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704713
48500212,48501327,2015-07-24 02:25:22,">>48500793
Great. Then how can something within the universe create the universe? How can a series of causes and effects function without an uncreated First Mover? How can physics answer metaphysical questions? Why is there something rather than nothing? These questions are the crux of my argument and the responders I got show a blatant lack of understanding of the philosophy they were arguing against.
>>48500930
>This claim is both undemonstrated and potentially undemonstrable, assuming it contains any comprehensive meaning whatsoever.
The universe as you concieve it is, as I've said, the ultimate infinite regress, a point I've touched on. I'll post the video again if you didn't see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdjjqFSEJ_Y
This explains better than I could why infinite regress is impossible.
>and quite the opposite, in fact, that a prime mover must necessarily violate this premise to make it viable in the first place
The Prime Mover exists so that the infinite regress does not happen, and therefore the universe does happen. Aquinas is the one who elaborates on it's necessary qualities. It does not need to have been caused because as an uncreated entity it does not need a cause.
>""conceive of a set of circumstances in which the universe does not exist""
How about one in which there is an infinite chain of regression? Like one without the first mover.
>then I can just as easily claim that ""I can conceive of a set of circumstances in which your prime mover does not exist.""
And you would have conceive of that set of circumstances.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704722
48500212,48501340,2015-07-24 02:25:41,">>48501196
>I was just pretending to be retarded.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437704741
48500212,48501368,2015-07-24 02:26:17,">>48501285
She's FEDORABLE!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704777
48500212,48501380,2015-07-24 02:26:36,">>48501327
>Then how can something within the universe create the universe?
Jesus christ cunt. I'm not saying you're wrong or right... I'm telling you that just because YOU think you're making sense, doesn't mean you actually are.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437704796
48500212,48501383,2015-07-24 02:26:39,">>48501218
>What is Atheism Plus
Even your spiritual leader Dawkins shits his pants because of the might of feminism and constantly tries to warn people about it, but it's to no avail.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437704799
48500212,48501385,2015-07-24 02:26:42,">>48501164
It's irrelevant whether OP is trolling is serious.
It doesn't matter whether he is trolling, because it doesn't matter if he is serious.
>I'm not posting in a thread where OP doesn't take me super seriously and employs self-ridicule, ironically wearing a fedora and tipping it.
Well, you posted in the thread, and everyone still thinks you're ""enlightened by your own intelligence.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704802
48500212,48501413,2015-07-24 02:27:30,">>48501274
Thanks for admitting there is no evidence god exists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437704850
48500212,48501424,2015-07-24 02:27:48,"I like this girl, but today i found out shes a christard. Whats the best way to show her her beliefs are just fairy tales?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704868
48500212,48501428,2015-07-24 02:27:50,">>48501241
>>48501340
So not only you can't into math, but also you can't into reading comprehension.
Nothing to see here folks, move along. Just atheists demonstrating their limited mental capabilities.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704870
48500212,48501460,2015-07-24 02:28:35,">>48501380
And you haven't explained why I don't make sense. Obviously you have some problems with my argument but you have been obstinate in not actually saying what they are, and instead just flat out insulting me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704915
48500212,48501472,2015-07-24 02:28:46,">>48501321
I remember when they said the same thing about Christian generals",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437704926
48500212,48501479,2015-07-24 02:29:04,">>48501157
I'm not saying I've failed at life for fuck's sake. I'm saying even though I've done well for myself, I think I would have done much better if I hadn't left the church.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437704944
48500212,48501493,2015-07-24 02:29:17,">>48501424
see guys? this is a honest atheist. He admits he believes there's no god, and is even willing to spill spaghetti all over a qt3.14 to prove his silly theories.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437704957
48500212,48501522,2015-07-24 02:30:10,">>48501383
The only common trait of atheism is lack of beleif in God. It generally goes with the idea that superstition is bad and rationality is good but even that's might have some division.
When one becomes an atheist they naturally want to replace what was 'lost' from their theism with other ideas. There's a huge pile of philosophers to pick from. So there is very little that you can say 'all atheists believe this'",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705010
48500212,48501523,2015-07-24 02:30:10,">>48501157
>projecting this hard
enjoy thinking one becomes a Christian out of desperation",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437705010
48500212,48501537,2015-07-24 02:30:32,">>48501383
Atheism Plus is one of those things, like the Amazing Atheist, that I have only even heard of because of strawmanning imbeciles on /pol/
As far as I can tell it got started by some butthurt woman that thought most atheists were too misogynistic or something and got absolutely nowhere as a movement and basically no longer even exists in any sort in serious sense.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437705032
48500212,48501543,2015-07-24 02:30:43,">>48501413
Indeed my friend. Chivalry is truly dead",,Anonymous,july_19_49_.jpg,jOwWtE7oj04crMPUa18SmQ==,US,,1437705043
48500212,48501551,2015-07-24 02:30:53,">>48501479
>I think I would have done much better if I hadn't left the church.
In what ways?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705053
48500212,48501569,2015-07-24 02:31:21,">>48500212
Theist leaning agnostic.
1. I fully recognize that it is possible that no ""god"" exists.
2. I think that it is unlikely that the universe was not intelligently designed, however.
3. My conception of ""god"" is not anthropomorphic. It could very well be an intelligence devoid of any human emotional characteristics. Human qualities might be emergent properties of a system, not indicative or descriptive of the intelligence that created reality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705081
48500212,48501571,2015-07-24 02:31:25,>>48501493,,Anonymous,1421317605091.gif,Ruj7+E83KKlK2f2Fcvs8hA==,SE,,1437705085
48500212,48501574,2015-07-24 02:31:40,">>48501493
Im not a fucking autist, christard, i know how to talk to girls. Just dont want to be with someone who doesnt even know how to think with logic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705100
48500212,48501576,2015-07-24 02:31:41,">>48501428
>www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart
I'm still waiting for you to explain what 'infinity' means. And how that buzzword proves that aliens exist.
>>48501460
I don't have any problems with your arguments because I have no fucking clue what your arguments are, nor do I care.
I merely responded to the fact that another anon AND other people have told you that you don't make sense, clearly the issue lies with your presentation.
Again, refer to my french example",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437705101
48500212,48501582,2015-07-24 02:32:03,">>48501424
why not accept she has different beliefs than you instead of trying to preach to her like some bible thumper trying to get converts.",,Rice a Roni No. 87,,,US,,1437705123
48500212,48501588,2015-07-24 02:32:07,">>48501428
Given up lying about agnosticism in order to talk bullshit and chuck insults I see. Stay classy.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437705127
48500212,48501664,2015-07-24 02:34:00,">>48501522
>The only common trait of atheism is lack of beleif in God. It generally goes with the idea that superstition is bad and rationality is good but even that's might have some division.
Funny enough...that's true as seen in pic related.
>>48501537
>Atheism Plus is one of those things, like the Amazing Atheist, that I have only even heard of because of strawmanning imbeciles on /pol/
That's because you close your eyes before the truth and rather look to the other side. Something you have practice with as an atheist.",,Anonymous,neopaganismisnotatheism.jpg,nchvD2MG+UKwcSwJ5fda2Q==,DE,,1437705240
48500212,48501681,2015-07-24 02:34:36,">>48501523
Projecting what?
It contains like 5 different perspectives.
If you include this it has 6 perspectives.
In my graph EVERYONE IS RIGHT. Everyone's perspective is validated as true for their own world view.",,Anonymous,cave_myth.jpg,PmcmsBly1NM8PHlMdxOgGQ==,US,,1437705276
48500212,48501684,2015-07-24 02:34:42,">>48501383
Atheism+ is a joke, and an insult to the traits by which respectable atheists come to the conclusion of atheism, those traits being skepticism and critical thinking skills, which feminists almost universally lack.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705282
48500212,48501707,2015-07-24 02:35:18,"atheists trolling atheists
is there any group of people who hate each other more than atheists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705318
48500212,48501708,2015-07-24 02:35:19,">>48501582
Would you date a nazi? Sometimes you dont want to be around ppl with shitty ideas and beliefs. Plus she probably doesnt put out as much as a freethinking girl.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705319
48500212,48501768,2015-07-24 02:36:47,">>48501576
>And how that buzzword proves that aliens exist.
>he thinks I said aliens are proven to exist
thanks for proving your idiocy once again
I'd follow pic related's advice, but this is too entertaining to do it.
>>48501588
point me to where I claimed to be an agnostic then. Until then you're just making up shit.
>>48501582
he's an atheist m8, atheism and freedom of religion don't go well together. He'd probably love to ban churches and shit.",,Anonymous,1343734614556.png,N+20lJSUHQO5ehHzHxxylQ==,UY,,1437705407
48500212,48501770,2015-07-24 02:36:47,">>48501664
>hat's because you close your eyes before the truth
So basically your claim is that god must exist because there used to be a movement called atheism plus that is now defunct and was always so small that virtually no atheist had ever heard of it.
Ebic.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437705407
48500212,48501788,2015-07-24 02:37:14,">>48501708
>Plus she probably doesnt put out as much as a freethinking girl
 >>48501368
>She's FEDORABLE!
Okay, we definitely need more rule 34 on her",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437705434
48500212,48501790,2015-07-24 02:37:18,">>48501664
You can still be spiritual and an atheist.
All Spiritualism is taking concepts and value judgements and mystifying them. Technically the whole universe is just bits of atoms, it takes a human made value judgement to transform them from buzzing atoms to ""beautiful"" ""profound"" or ""worth dying for"" This is spiritualism.
The belief in superstition is not necessary.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705438
48500212,48501811,2015-07-24 02:37:47,">>48501576
It isn't my fault if ya'll can't grasp basic metaphysics. As I've stated none of them understand the kind of God Aquinas is talking about, without that knowledge no matter how hard I try I'm not going to be able to explain without writing a book about it. That's why towards the end I just kept pointing out that they don't understand Aquinas, because you need to understand Aquinas. It's like trying to explain Ulysses without having read the Odyssey, it's a language they don't speak. Plus it's 2 in the morning and I really can't be bothered to do the subject justice. POINT BEING ALL YA'LL GO READ YOURSELVES SOME FUCKING AQUINAS OR JUST WATCH SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS JUST EDUCATE YOURSELVES GODDAMNIT",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705467
48500212,48501820,2015-07-24 02:38:06,">>48501768
>thanks for proving your idiocy once again
>I'd follow pic related's advice, but this is too entertaining to do it.
You know I'm not going to let you try and squirm your way out of answering the question.
Please explain what infinity means and how it proves aliens exist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437705486
48500212,48501822,2015-07-24 02:38:10,"As an atheist id just like to say that its become extremely embarrassing these days thanks to all the cringy neckbeard fedora wearers and id rather call myself a hedonist just so i dont have to be associated with them.
Fucking fedora fags.",,Anonymous,1435970188032.png,K0aVdEydBe4UVyGgBByucA==,CA,,1437705490
48500212,48501823,2015-07-24 02:38:12,">>48500212
Eww, that's a hard one. Honestly, I have the view that the human race is edging very close to the breaking point. Either citizens are going to erupt within the next 10-20 years, or the future is going to be a bleak and horrible place globally.
I just see a few people gettin' ahead in life while the greatest minds are killing themselves or being cast aside as crazies and worthless. It's depressing to see how the masses actually enjoy being cattle for governments and organizations to blatantly take advantage of. A couple of riots here and there over the past decade hasn't done shit either. It's a losing battle.
As to why I feel this way? It's because it's the only thing that you find whenever you try to dig up a little research on the world. I'm not talkin' about the fascination with bad news, but the actual evidence, trends and cultural evolution around the global that you can document over the past 20 years.
It's a world that shuns critical thinkin' and awards drone mentality...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705492
48500212,48501841,2015-07-24 02:38:33,">>48501790
This. 
I consider myself a Taoist",,Anonymous,1352822824996.jpg,91i24DbmuhVOa/kIWquHhQ==,US,,1437705513
48500212,48501851,2015-07-24 02:38:45,">>48501708
yes i would consider dating a nazi. If you don't wan't to be around people who don't agree with you than you don't want to be around said girl.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705525
48500212,48501869,2015-07-24 02:39:11,">>48501681
>If you are truely incapable of finding meaning without God than you probably should be a Christian. A false meaning in a false Spirit World is better than nothing at all.
I had a clear idea of meaning in my faithless days, and it hasn't changed much. One doesn't become a Christian out of fear for one's ""next life"".",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437705551
48500212,48501890,2015-07-24 02:39:44,">>48501823
That's not a worldview...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705584
48500212,48501909,2015-07-24 02:40:24,">>48501790
Doesn't believe in the spirit (soul). Still considers himself spiritual.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705624
48500212,48501952,2015-07-24 02:41:27,">>48501551
My downfall is women. If I had stayed a good practicing Christian I might not have had a child out of wedlock. I might not have an annulment on my record. I might not have spent so many Sunday mornings feeling hungover and depressed. I'm not saying I'd be perfect, but I know most of the awful things I've done were at least partly due to not feeling like anything matters in the long run.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705687
48500212,48501996,2015-07-24 02:42:43,">>48501327
>The universe as you concieve it is, as I've said, the ultimate infinite regress
Actually, I conceive it as being an indefinitely complex deterministic multidimensional ""wave"" (the best word I can come up with to describe it) flowing in multiple dimensions and directions subject to interference which gives rise to the illusion of the ""arrow of time"" and physical properties as opposed to empty space. Whether or not this ""wave"" has a source is still up in the air.
I'm not convinced I'm right, but I'm definitely perplexed by the notion enough to toss it around in endless conceptual ways.
>The Prime Mover exists so that the infinite regress does not happen
But it still does.
The Prime Mover, even if necessary, even if it exists, is still subject to the same ""continual change"" that necessitated it in the context of the argument to begin with. For example, ""why did God create the universe as opposed to not creating anything?"" - and that brings us to the question of free will and a million other complexities which we most likely don't want to get into.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705763
48500212,48502000,2015-07-24 02:42:50,">>48501768
>I didn't say I was I was just implying 
>hurrdy hurr hurr",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437705770
48500212,48502010,2015-07-24 02:43:11,">>48501869
>One doesn't become a Christian out of fear for one's ""next life"".
Speak for yourself. A lot of christfags are fucking terrified of the notion that there might not be an afterlife, that there loved ones are gone forever, and that when they die they will cease to exist forever and rot in the ground. Its one of the most triggering things for a lot of people.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437705791
48500212,48502017,2015-07-24 02:43:28,These generals come across as pretty sad and pathetic to me. It's just a couple of guys with a rehashed meme trying to make their mark on an anonymous image board about Chinese cartoons.,,Anonymous,1437036119725.jpg,CFcVLXr2teMdlVRPz3PGIg==,AU,,1437705808
48500212,48502020,2015-07-24 02:43:30,">>48501952
Not even a Christian, but I like the words attributed to Christ in the NT. It is a sound philosophy of life.
If I could actually live my life in accordance with just those words I would be better off and the people around me would benefit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705810
48500212,48502059,2015-07-24 02:44:27,">>48502017
its not nearly as bad as lgbt generals trust me.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437705867
48500212,48502060,2015-07-24 02:44:29,">>48502017
Welcome to 4chan.
Join the discussion and experience what Internet outside of reddit is all about",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705869
48500212,48502117,2015-07-24 02:46:07,">>48502000
>is unable to prove his outrageous claims
>resorts to shitty name calling",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437705967
48500212,48502119,2015-07-24 02:46:14,">>48502060
Why are you here if you think that the reddit model is superior?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437705974
48500212,48502174,2015-07-24 02:47:36,">>48501869
It is not done out of fear.
The Christian would say it is done out of the beleif that ""there is more beyond this world but we cannot see it""
This is my perspective on it
>>48501157
>>48501952
That's my point. Once you feel like that the world around doesn't matter you have entered Plato's Cave. 
The false escape from the cave is religion, believing that there is something 'outside the cave'.
The real escape is creating your own positive outlook on life, your own ""yes things do matter"" and realizing that the cave was just a projection.
If you are truly incapable of doing that than yes seek out a religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706056
48500212,48502184,2015-07-24 02:48:00,">>48501996
>But it still does.
The Prime Mover, even if necessary, even if it exists, is still subject to the same ""continual change"" that necessitated it in the context of the argument to begin with.
Aquinas would argue no, that God is unchanging because he is pure actualizing energy. Nothing can be added to him because there is nothing to be added, nothing can be subtracted because then he wouldn't be God.
>For example, ""why did God create the universe as opposed to not creating anything?""
Some say benevolence, others say necessity. I agree it's alot of details I don't want to get into. For now I'll say look into the matter, I need sleep.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706080
48500212,48502188,2015-07-24 02:48:09,">>48500803
Judge stuff by its fruit etc.",,Anonymous,Stop the nazi hate.jpg,ocFtmqJsYQbF363gJvK9Tw==,FI,,1437706089
48500212,48502190,2015-07-24 02:48:14,">>48502010
I'm pretty sure I'll burn forever in hell if I don't make some corrections to my conduct, but I've been too weak willed recently to do anything about it. I guess I'll get what's coming to me if I keep my behavior.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437706094
48500212,48502260,2015-07-24 02:50:07,">>48502190
I'm in the same boat (and its sinking).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706207
48500212,48502263,2015-07-24 02:50:14,">>48500651
What does the Overman achieve?
>>48500696
Clarify what your first sentence even means?
>>48500803
Escapism, of course.
>>48501064
I'm a secular humanist myself
>>48501120
edgy
>>48501137
Why believe without evidence?
>>48501569
Do you understand evolution and physics (about how the planets were formed)? There need not be any intelligent designer.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706214
48500212,48502280,2015-07-24 02:50:57,>>48501707,,Anonymous,pew.png,Hm9ZxEr7wVsneekSXxGXiQ==,US,,1437706257
48500212,48502315,2015-07-24 02:51:49,">>48502119
I was gonna ask you the same question",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706309
48500212,48502341,2015-07-24 02:52:42,">>48502190
>>48502260
You don't need a fucking priest. You need to man up. That's really all it is.
If you cannot do that you can go to a church, a nice pastor with a big smile will listen to you sob, whipe the tears from your eyes and tell you everything will be ok if you do some simple ritual like praying or reading the bible. You might get a false sense of comfort, maybe if you are lucky will even be motivated by fear of hell.
But that's being a pussy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706362
48500212,48502346,2015-07-24 02:52:51,">>48501157
now that I see that chart I see more outrageous implications like nihilism being bad.
Viking mythology was pretty nihilistic, but that didn't prevent them from having ideals like the nine noble virtues. Forget about the Valhalla, it was just a temporary place in their beliefs. The ultimate fate was to lose against Loki in the Ragnarök, and then there would be a reboot. That happens ad infinitum. There's hardly anything more nihilistic than that.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437706371
48500212,48502359,2015-07-24 02:53:25,">>48502174
And I'm saying you can be an atheist and think you've found this deep personal meaning of life, be as positive as can be and live a life full of good deeds and charity work and still wake up one day feeling like something is truly missing in your life. Atheism is the false escape. I wish I would have woken up sooner.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706405
48500212,48502367,2015-07-24 02:53:43,">>48502020
He was wandering about telling people to dump their entire lives and jobs including not even to bother burying the dead and to follow him instead because he was the son of god and about to bring about the end of the world.
Not very responsible or inspiring is it?
>>48502117
>I was only pretending to be retarded",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437706423
48500212,48502374,2015-07-24 02:53:54,">>48502263
>need not be any intelligent designer.
""Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.""
J. B. S. Haldane
""Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it."" Niels Bohr
We do not even understand consciousness and yet you contend that our conception of reality is accurate.
"" Every model of the universe has a hard swallow... a place where the argument cannot hide the fact that there’s something slightly fishy about it.
The hard swallow built into science is... the Big Bang.
...This is the notion that the universe, for no reason, sprang from nothing in a single instant.
Well, now before we dissect this, notice that this is the limit test for credulity.
Whether you believe this or not, notice that it is not possible to conceive of something more unlikely or less likely to be believed!
I mean, I defy anyone – it’s just the limit case for unlikelihood, that the universe would spring from nothing in a single instant, for no reason?!
I mean, if you believe that, my family has a bridge across the Hudson River that we’ll give you a lease option for five dollars!
It is in fact no different than saying, “And God said, let there be light”.
And what these philosophers of science are saying is, give us one free miracle, and we will roll from that point forward – from the birth of time to the crack of doom! – just one free miracle, and then it will all unravel according to natural law...
--Terence Mckenna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWv02kYyvo4 [Embed]
The Big Bang theory starts with the singularity at t=0 and the consequent expansion. It says nothing about where that singularity came from.
>It says nothing about where that singularity came from.
For those who postulate the ""god of the gap"" canard, that is one fucking massive gap 
I do not claim to know the origin of reality; I only claim that the ""Big Bang"" is a woefully inadequate explanation, akin to just glibly saying that ""God made it"".",,Anonymous,1433825276551.jpg,vej5DZ8HWqJCfjLLriXx4A==,US,,1437706434
48500212,48502390,2015-07-24 02:54:26,">>48502184
>Some say benevolence
So at some point in his eternal existence, God went from ""not having created the universe"" to ""having created the universe"".
That sounds mysteriously like... change.
Which gives likelihood to the suspicion that:
>God is unchanging because he is pure actualizing energy.
is incomprehensible nonsense, trying to ""logic god into existence"".
>others say necessity
God cannot choose not to create the universe? God has no free will?
We have no free will?
It's not *God's divine plan* after all, but we are now invoking a set of rules that God must necessarily follow?
Sounds like infinite regress to me...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706466
48500212,48502391,2015-07-24 02:54:27,">>48500212
Being a atheist is stupid like being religious.
Do god exist? I'm just a human and not arrogant enough to answer this question. Nobody knows.
Does Religion make Sense? Yes and no. Believing in a manmade Religion is just stupid. You have to be really arrogant and narcisstic to think you know what a allknowing, allpowerful being wants.
But on the other Hand we need Religion as masscontroll. People who believe the Same are more likely to work together or why do you think the jews are that sucessfull in what they are doing. Religion is just a Tool to keep people under control.
Personnaly I believe the Existens of god is not impossible but I don't follow any Religion.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437706467
48500212,48502457,2015-07-24 02:56:00,">>48502341
>facing the possibility that you'll burn in hell ad eternum for being a filthy degenerate is being a pussy
k m8
being a filthy degenerate is just too comfy",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437706560
48500212,48502463,2015-07-24 02:56:07,">>48502374
Proposing a god exists doesn't solve the problem of the origins of the big bang. It just kicks it down the road to ""What are the origins of the god?""
It's just not a helpful proposition. Something like this offers a better explanation: https://www.astrosociety.org/publications/a-universe-from-nothing/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706567
48500212,48502496,2015-07-24 02:57:11,">>48502263
>What does the Overman achieve?
The Overman is naturally ambitious and seeks out dangers and challenges as a way to test himself. He will be strong enough to gather society in his hands (perhaps as a great leader, perhaps a military general, or a great thinker that influences everyone through the ages) and direct society towards some grand goal.
I do not know what the first Overman's goal will be. His goal will be grand enough so that he cannot do it without organizing as much of the world he can under his banner. So naturally we will rise up with him.
For historical context look at Alexander the Great or Napoleon who Nietzsche described as being close to his concept of the Overman. You might also add Hitler or other Greek heroes.
Fun fact: Nietzche predicted the Overman would be called the Anti-Christ by Christians due to his earth-changing goals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706631
48500212,48502527,2015-07-24 02:58:00,">>48502391
>Being a atheist is stupid like being religious.
this is more or less what I used to believe, only that I never discarded the possibility of revelation
lots of people believe just because they were taught to though",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437706680
48500212,48502530,2015-07-24 02:58:01,">>48502391
Atheists lack belief in God because there is no evidence he exists. It's not impossible that wizards exist somewhere but no one takes that claim seriously because there is no evidence for wizards",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706681
48500212,48502543,2015-07-24 02:58:29,">>48502457
Are we seriously reducing ourselves to Pascal's Wager?
I thought you people were aware of the endless refutations of this bullshit. I actually believed people stopped using it unironically several goddamned years ago, when the first wave of fedora tippers tipped it off the table.
*sigh*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706709
48500212,48502567,2015-07-24 02:59:12,">>48502496
>Overman
>mfw it's literally the Superman in Spanish",,Anonymous,i have no face.jpg,KCaKJAmnbZalApDY5m4fAA==,UY,,1437706752
48500212,48502568,2015-07-24 02:59:13,">>48502496
What I meant was WHY do we want what the Overman wants? What will he achieve for us?
You don't have to be specific. Just name some values he will add to humanity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706753
48500212,48502577,2015-07-24 02:59:26,">>48501707
You don't see us running around and regularly murdering people who are not atheists. 
I've heard of only one recent murder carried out by an Atheist against a family of Muslims, over a dispute that wasn't even ideological in nature. 
Neither do we kill each-other over internal disagreements over political or ideological lines with any regularity. Despite being one of the most hated minorities in the country we are one of the least criminal.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706766
48500212,48502589,2015-07-24 02:59:38,">>48500212
>not understanding the science behind God
>not understanding NDE's
>just thinking millions of people lie about seeing after life after death
Atheism is the denial of something greater than yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706778
48500212,48502592,2015-07-24 02:59:39,">>48502367
38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 
39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Deut. 
Yeah, it sounds absolutely horrible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706779
48500212,48502609,2015-07-24 03:00:16,">>48502530
>Atheists lack belief in God because there is no evidence he exists. It's not impossible that wizards exist somewhere but no one takes that claim seriously because there is no evidence for wizards
>>48502543
>Atheists lack belief in God because there is no evidence he exists. It's not impossible that wizards exist somewhere but no one takes that claim seriously because there is no evidence for wizards
Congrats on figuring that out. You must be very proud of yourself",,Anonymous,1437679538343.jpg,VeFgmp2JMujlYrKr6ddMzA==,US,,1437706816
48500212,48502641,2015-07-24 03:00:57,">>48502543
Faith doesn't save by its own merit, deeds do. The truth is that the one damning me to hell right now is no one but myself.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437706857
48500212,48502668,2015-07-24 03:01:54,">>48502589
I don't think people lie about seeing things.
I believe they make the mistake of interpreting unconscious manifestations of an illusory nature as an experience of objective reality.
Yes. I will tell you to your face that your NDE was a dream.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706914
48500212,48502690,2015-07-24 03:02:27,">>48502592
59 He said to another man, “Follow me.”
But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”
60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
61 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”
62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”
Yep it sounds pretty irresponsible.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437706947
48500212,48502714,2015-07-24 03:03:04,">>48502592
>>48502690
If you read the bible from cover to cover you WILL become an atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437706984
48500212,48502757,2015-07-24 03:04:01,">>48502714
Yes. The bible is definitely not known to create Christians.",,Anonymous,Untitled.png,SKk2xeFRyZv/iIJ5sPghRw==,SE,,1437707041
48500212,48502758,2015-07-24 03:04:04,">>48502714
I already am.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437707044
48500212,48502798,2015-07-24 03:05:03,">>48502568
>What I meant was WHY do we want what the Overman wants? What will he achieve for us?
He'd add superiority. Just like homo sapiens is superior to homo erectus. That should be enough but itself.
I don't think it'll happen though due to this downright spiral of degeneracy society in general seems to be trapped in. The only hopes seem to be Russia and some Asian countries.
>>48502589
I don't really care about ""the science behind God"" or NDEs, but I agree on your last statement.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707103
48500212,48502811,2015-07-24 03:05:22,">>48502757
Indoctrination overwhelmingly creates Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707122
48500212,48502826,2015-07-24 03:05:39,">>48502757
There was a reason the Catholic Church stopped people reading the bible for centuries and once it did become widespread and available non-religion started popping up.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437707139
48500212,48502832,2015-07-24 03:05:48,">>48502641
Eris came to Earth as Jesus (and every other person claiming divine revelation and so forth) in order to confuse everyone and send us to the bring of war just for lulz. No heaven. No afterlife. Just people being dicks to each other in their relentless insistence that they are not being dicks to each other.
Pascal's Wager doesn't address this as a possibility, and my God is cooler than yours.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707148
48500212,48502843,2015-07-24 03:06:01,">>48502714
>what is the second covenant
If you read the bible from cover to cover AND UNDERSTAND IT you won't become an atheist",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707161
48500212,48502850,2015-07-24 03:06:14,">>48502757
I can't speak for Christians in other countries, but many of the Christians I have met on a daily basis don't know shit about their own bible. 
They worship the book, and the specific passages that support whatever world view their parents taught to them, while ignoring any parts that would no longer be convenient or acceptable in modern society.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707174
48500212,48502861,2015-07-24 03:06:27,">>48502798
So he'll basically just be smarter than us? Isn't that what the technological singularity predicts will be an AI? Is the Overman a computer?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707187
48500212,48502869,2015-07-24 03:06:45,>>48502811,,Anonymous,1437343692823.jpg,Wh5DC6UrkM/vh2GfuJdVNQ==,US,,1437707205
48500212,48502888,2015-07-24 03:07:08,">>48502843
The new testament is just as bad, if not worse",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707228
48500212,48502892,2015-07-24 03:07:10,">>48502832
brink*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707230
48500212,48502904,2015-07-24 03:07:25,">>48502346
Strong value judgments like having '9 noble virtues' cannot be done by nihilists. Nihilists believe that value judgements are worthless.
Nietzche's philosophy also talks about a reboot but in the form of a hypothetical idea. The Eternal Reccurance. Where your entire life will be rebooted again and again.
The Ragnarok idea and the Eternal Recurrence both are there to communicate the same idea: Can you find meaning in the face of endless, overwhelming pain? If you can do that than your are Thor, or the Overman. Depending on who you talk to.
I haven't read it but Nietzsche wrote a whole book about how tragedies (the art from) are a way in which we find meaning in hopeless situations. We learn to enjoy suffering by turning it into art. He reasoned this was the birth of trajedy.
>>48502359
Value judgments like whether the world is meaningful and positive are a reflex of your state of mind. It is not atheism that made you sick, you became sick so you say the whole world as ill. 
>>48502457
meh there's a whole lot of religions and whole lot of after lives. You roll the dice no matter what you pick. Also ""all the interesting people are missing from heaven"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707245
48500212,48502930,2015-07-24 03:08:04,>there are people on pol that converted to Christianity because it's trendy now,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437707284
48500212,48502942,2015-07-24 03:08:14,">>48502832
>Eris came to Earth as Jesus (and every other person claiming divine revelation and so forth) in order to confuse everyone and send us to the bring of war just for lulz. No heaven. No afterlife. Just people being dicks to each other in their relentless insistence that they are not being dicks to each other.
>Pascal's Wager doesn't address this as a possibility, and my God is cooler than yours.
kek, that sounds pretty much like Pascal's Wager. It sounds also really funny in a twisted way. Imagine the Greek gods watching us while eating pop corn, laughing their asses off and not paying denbts. Damn, I want to be a Greek god.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707294
48500212,48502944,2015-07-24 03:08:17,"What are your thoughts on on people who convert for the reasons in this picture? People who seem to unwittingly use a religion as a form of self help/therapy. 
>>48501707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY",,Anonymous,1437625670905.png,OtNfGCvZ8OYUYOZ8DHQxrA==,AU,,1437707297
48500212,48502976,2015-07-24 03:09:08,">>48502861
Interesting plot twist.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707348
48500212,48502981,2015-07-24 03:09:17,">>48502944
I say escapism isn't healthy",,Anonymous,LDSof.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1437707357
48500212,48502993,2015-07-24 03:09:30,">>48502930
It's trendy because it's the perfect statement to be made on a website whose users regularly exchange illustrations of child sexual exploitation.",,Anonymous,Quotation-Criss-Jami-funny-great-devil-humor-world-god-challenge-philosophy-satire-feelings-atheism-bible-teaching-sin-skepticism-irony-theology-Meetville-Quotes-119303.jpg,av/07qjTVyWXB4X16+Y0Gg==,US,,1437707370
48500212,48503017,2015-07-24 03:10:00,">>48502463
>: https://www.astrosociety.org/publications/a-universe-from-nothing/
This is not an explanation of anything. Really, read it carefully. 
""In the inflationary theory, matter, antimatter, and photons were produced by the energy of the false vacuum""
Where did this come from?
""The idea of a zero-energy universe, together with inflation, suggests that all one needs is just a tiny bit of energy to get the whole thing started (that is, a tiny volume of energy in which inflation can begin).""
From whence came the ""tiny bit of energy?""
It merely begs the question, ""why something rather than nothing."" 
It has no explanatory power.
The same thing could be said of ""god"" as you rightfully pointed out.
As far as I am concerned, both ""god "" as an explanation and the ""big bang"" are one in the same. God and the big bang share every characteristic in common except for having a personal interest in human affairs. The singularity is merely an impersonal god.
Neither is a satisfactory explanation of why something rather than nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707400
48500212,48503041,2015-07-24 03:10:42,">>48502568
You don't see the value in having a strong leader? You don't see how Alexander was a huge boon to Greece?
Imagine if we had our own Alexander but he was even better....now imagine an entire lineage of these Alexander 2.0s each one BETTER than the last.
Imagine A Da Vinci but BETTER working in modern science and a new better Da Vinci coming after him.
We'll probably conquer and colonize the fucking galaxy if we can produce a long line of Overmen",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707442
48500212,48503051,2015-07-24 03:11:00,">>48502888
Might as well praise the Talmud",,Anonymous,captcha.jpg,wv50XxpcOWi1SOtgqTU2cg==,UY,,1437707460
48500212,48503088,2015-07-24 03:11:50,Why don't atheists realize agnosticism is the more rational approach?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707510
48500212,48503116,2015-07-24 03:12:27,">>48502826
kek only took 500 years.
good correlation
>>48502850
sounds unlikely but sure",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437707547
48500212,48503145,2015-07-24 03:13:24,">>48502942
>kek, that sounds pretty much like Pascal's Wager.
No. Pascal's Wager is:
>If I don't believe in God he'll torture me for eternity.
>That would totally suck balls.
>Therefore, God exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707604
48500212,48503167,2015-07-24 03:13:56,">>48503088
I'm an agnostic and an atheist.
It is the best way.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437707636
48500212,48503169,2015-07-24 03:13:57,">>48503116
Unlikely but unfortunately true. 
In my state and neighboring states intellectuality is not encouraged, merely tacitly tolerated out of necessity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707637
48500212,48503179,2015-07-24 03:14:14,">>48503088
seems like uncertainty is too painful for them",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707654
48500212,48503182,2015-07-24 03:14:17,">>48503088
See:
>>48499752",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707657
48500212,48503212,2015-07-24 03:14:58,">>48503017
Yeah, it is just a hypothesis. But it works from very simple things. Simple things seem more plausible than a big complex God doing everything",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707698
48500212,48503224,2015-07-24 03:15:11,">>48503145
oh I got confused with Descartes' evil demon, my bad",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707711
48500212,48503229,2015-07-24 03:15:24,">>48502592
> Let the dead bury their own dead
What exactly is irrational about this. Once dead, the person is just a corpse. Who cares whether it is buried, burned, or left to rot in a field?
The living matter.
For an atheist, you sound very religious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707724
48500212,48503235,2015-07-24 03:15:33,">>48503167
>I'm an agnostic and an atheist.
nice copout, faggot",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437707733
48500212,48503242,2015-07-24 03:15:42,">>48503167
>>48503179
>>48503182
I conclude that there is no such thing as ""atheism"", only skeptical agnosticism. 
It is impossible to be a 1 or 7 on Dawkins scale",,Anonymous,tumblr_nqzldsUXa01uw2b93o1_500.png,aM2WaIMkSn1S09ETr9decg==,US,,1437707742
48500212,48503261,2015-07-24 03:16:03,">>48503212
>fedorachan
>atheists cannot into cute characters",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1437707763
48500212,48503278,2015-07-24 03:16:27,">>48503088
Agnosticism is part of my Atheism. 
I am agnostic in that I acknowledge I cannot know everything in the universe. 
However religious people have so far failed to convince me a god exists, therefor I am Atheistic. 
Because I cannot know everything, and because no religion has yet convinced me, I am Agnostically Atheistic, because a God may exist, however if it exists, and its a God of humans, and a religion has correctly interpreted its will, it has yet to have made a convincing argument for that God's existence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707787
48500212,48503290,2015-07-24 03:16:39,">>48503116
>kek only took 500 years.
>what is Deism.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437707799
48500212,48503301,2015-07-24 03:16:50,">>48502944
>super natural events could not be separated from the moral philosophy
Why not?
I mean even that picture says that ""Christianity is internally consistent provided that one takes the initial leap of faith that an omnipotent God exists"". It is obvious If that axiom is true then the super natural events could have happened...
Seems like a sort of weird way of begging the question...
>the moral teachings of the bible are true if an omnipotent god exists
>the moral teachings cannot be separated from the super natural events in the bible (extremely debatable)
>thus the supernatural events did occur since the teachings are true and an omnipotent god exists
See the gaps in logic here?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707810
48500212,48503308,2015-07-24 03:16:58,">>48502861
There were no computers in Nietzche's time and Darwin had just published his theory.
Nietzche did not leave instructions on how to make the Overman.
If the Overman is not fully a computer he will at least be a cybrog.
My guess is he will be genetically spliced with cybernetic implants. We will have multiple Overmen who are specialized. One to be the General, one to be the head Scientist, some to lead politically.
When they die they will be replaced with better Overmen with better genetically spliced genes and better cybernetic implants.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707818
48500212,48503311,2015-07-24 03:17:01,">>48503261
But she is cute",,Anonymous,1437013809595.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437707821
48500212,48503328,2015-07-24 03:17:15,">>48503017
>Neither is a satisfactory explanation of why something rather than nothing.
http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/why_is_there_something_rather_than_nothing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707835
48500212,48503389,2015-07-24 03:18:27,">>48503308
this is what happens when you smoke continental philosophy kids.
JUST SAY NO",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707907
48500212,48503426,2015-07-24 03:19:15,">>48503242
I would say I am a 6 on that scale.
>>48503235
Haven't you humiliated yourself enough on this topic already?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437707955
48500212,48503438,2015-07-24 03:19:34,">>48503242
The label is fucking irrelevant.
If people categorize me as atheistic because I suspect deities are fictional, then I'll own the label.
If someone asks me what religion I follow, I tell them Discordianism, because that's not nearly as edgy as Satanism, and it glorifies starting and spreading rumors.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437707974
48500212,48503448,2015-07-24 03:19:58,">>48503290
Something that became popular about 500 years later along with Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437707998
48500212,48503478,2015-07-24 03:20:37,">>48503229
The living matter, and they want to bury.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708037
48500212,48503479,2015-07-24 03:20:38,">>48503311
I have to admit I think she could use bigger tits and a taste in more revealing clothing.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708038
48500212,48503483,2015-07-24 03:20:41,">>48503311
she's still too prim for an atheist",,Anonymous,1437680359346.jpg,W6GrruVW7DavEYq7UPaN5g==,US,,1437708041
48500212,48503505,2015-07-24 03:21:19,">>48503448
Oh dear. 
I suggest you go away and study some history.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708079
48500212,48503529,2015-07-24 03:21:51,">>48503479
Draw it :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708111
48500212,48503565,2015-07-24 03:22:40,">>48503328
That article is pure sophistry, like saying that ""since time and space did not exist before the big bang, it is meaningless to ask where the singularity came from""
I am asking why was there a singularity at all? Your article is a failed attempt to avoid the question while claiming to address it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708160
48500212,48503570,2015-07-24 03:22:51,">>48503426
that scale proves it's a copout lol
BTW I was a 4 some years ago and then turned into a 1. I never claimed equiprobability though, just uncertainty. Schrödinger-tier uncertainty.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437708171
48500212,48503571,2015-07-24 03:22:52,">>48503505
Don't need to. You're just absolutely retarded if you think people became deists when The Bible could be read by everyone.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437708172
48500212,48503614,2015-07-24 03:24:14,">>48503389
Thinking about what will happen with the Overman leads to really stupid ideas like that.
Any predictions for a long term future lead to insane ideas. Nietzche did not even describe what the Overman WOULD do or how many there would be (one leader and a trillion humans or just everyone becoming Overmne gradually).
The only thing to discuss IS scifi fanfics",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708254
48500212,48503628,2015-07-24 03:24:26,">>48501811
>It isn't my fault if ya'll can't grasp basic metaphysics
So you're just going to continue missing the point hey?
Good luck to you.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437708266
48500212,48503675,2015-07-24 03:25:34,">>48503571
My words were non-religion started popping up.
>>48503570
That scale in no way dispoves it. 5 and 6 are both both agnostic atheist positions.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708334
48500212,48503700,2015-07-24 03:26:09,">>48501811
Thomas was a complete idiot, that's why he doesn't make sense and no one understands him",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708369
48500212,48503716,2015-07-24 03:26:37,">>48503529
I can't draw. I'll have to leave that to other people.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708397
48500212,48503722,2015-07-24 03:26:40,">>48502263
why dose anyone believes in thing without proof because we want the to be true. Also we live our lives with imperfect knowledge of the nature of our existence. We can never know in this life if there is a god or not but for me I choose to believe. yet since I can't prove it i don't go around trying to tell people that I'm right and they are wrong. I simply live my life.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708400
48500212,48503735,2015-07-24 03:26:59,">>48503614
I'm pretty sure Nietzsche was talking about a new paradigm of human morality and endeavor...
Not a fucking cyborg.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708419
48500212,48503746,2015-07-24 03:27:11,">>48503675
more like weak (that is, manlet-tier) atheist positions",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437708431
48500212,48503803,2015-07-24 03:28:51,">>48503746
I'm quite happy that you consider them manlet tier. You follow a religion best known for fucking children.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708531
48500212,48503873,2015-07-24 03:30:46,If a crusade was declared against Islam and Judaism would any of you atheists join in on the side of Christendom?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437708646
48500212,48503878,2015-07-24 03:30:51,">>48503803
as long as you say ""praise jesus forgive us for our sins give us this day our daily bread"" BEFORE you cum in the child's ass its totally Kosher.
But if you do it AFTERwords than it is a sin in the eyes of the lord and you need to do 500 hail Marrys to be forgiven.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708651
48500212,48503906,2015-07-24 03:31:34,">>48503873
Sure =D
Two Down.
One to Go!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708694
48500212,48503909,2015-07-24 03:31:40,">>48503803
I don't know if you expected people to interpret that as being happy about that because being seen as a manlet makes you susceptible to get buttfucked by a priest, but we're on 4chan so I wouldn't be surprised.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708700
48500212,48503912,2015-07-24 03:31:48,">>48503873
No, what the fuck is wrong with you? We're better than murderous Muslims",,Anonymous,1437612895557.jpg,YTZf5O/6MTlvirfePVcGWQ==,US,,1437708708
48500212,48503916,2015-07-24 03:31:54,">>48503301
>See the gaps in logic here?
Faith is inevitably involved.",,Anonymous,Adoro te devote.png,1dk6nMOBMMFxy4Hd+j8g8w==,US,,1437708714
48500212,48503924,2015-07-24 03:32:01,">>48503235
>I don't understand nuance therefore the world is black and white and it's a copout
>I don't understand mutual exclusivity therefore it's a copout
Are you going to explain what infinity means yet? Or still going to try and squirm your way out?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437708721
48500212,48503954,2015-07-24 03:33:08,">>48503909
Lol ;)",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708788
48500212,48503979,2015-07-24 03:33:43,">>48503746
>Nuance is weakness.
>You have to be zealously connected to your position just like me!
Nah m8.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708823
48500212,48503994,2015-07-24 03:34:04,">>48503803
>le pedo priest maymay
top kek, back to reddit, you cancer
look up some statistics, child abuse is no more prevalent in the church than in the average population
""According to studies by Jenkins, if one compares the Catholic Church in the United States to the major Protestant denominations, one discovers that the presence of paedophiles – depending on the denominations – is from two to ten times higher for the major Protestant denominations compared to Catholic priests. The question is important because it demonstrates that the problem is not celibacy. Most of the Protestant pastors are married.
In the same period in which about 100 American priests were convicted for sexually abusing minors, the number of gym teachers and coaches of junior sporting teams – also mainly married – who were convicted of the same crimes in the US reached about 6,000. The examples could continue, not only in the US. And above all, according to regular US government reports, two-thirds of sexual abuse against minors does not come from strangers or educators – including priests and Protestant pastors – but from family members: stepfathers, uncles, cousins, brothers and, unfortunately, even parents. Similar facts exist for numerous other countries""
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/mora/#sthash.WJdaazsG.dpuf",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437708844
48500212,48504012,2015-07-24 03:34:24,">>48503746
>I was dropped on my head as a baby, therefore my opinion is correct",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437708864
48500212,48504055,2015-07-24 03:35:26,">>48503873
I consider it far more of a challenge to defeat them by the virtue of principle than by force.
That's what Jesus teaches us too.
I don't understand why you people daydream about killing masses of people who disagree with you.
Perhaps you should just stick to the practice of praying and waiting for Jesus to come back and kill your enemies himself.",,Anonymous,elizabeth-banks2.jpg,rhwghdUPlj9iq277TEGlWw==,US,,1437708926
48500212,48504066,2015-07-24 03:35:49,There's no such thing as an imaginary friend in the sky. Kill yourselves if you think so.,,Anonymous,,,RS,,1437708949
48500212,48504068,2015-07-24 03:35:53,">>48503994
>look up some statistics, child abuse is no more prevalent in the church than in the average population
Well that's fucking disgusting then isn't it.
That's like saying theft is no more prevalent in the police force than the general public
>other religions have child molesters in them, therefore it's ok for my religion to have them.
Fuck me...",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437708953
48500212,48504078,2015-07-24 03:36:15,">>48503994
The church actively tries to protect the kiddy porkers. That is the actions of a morally bankrupt institution.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437708975
48500212,48504080,2015-07-24 03:36:22,">>48503994
>le ebic one study from America funded by the Catholic Church thee shows Catholic priests don't fuck little boys maymay
There are no reliable stats. The Catholic Church is still covering up abuse.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437708982
48500212,48504090,2015-07-24 03:36:34,">>48504068
> than the general public therefore it's ok for theft to exist in the police force*",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437708994
48500212,48504094,2015-07-24 03:36:43,">>48503924
>Are you going to explain what infinity means yet? Or still going to try and squirm your way out?
I already did, and in different ways. Seems like your skull is too thick for the concept to get through it.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437709003
48500212,48504114,2015-07-24 03:37:14,">>48504066
see: >>48502374",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709034
48500212,48504130,2015-07-24 03:37:32,">>48504068
>>48504090",,Anonymous,1433972699324.gif,F93ZHDwQTDA5bJAcuuGIxQ==,UY,,1437709052
48500212,48504131,2015-07-24 03:37:34,">>48504094
>I already did, and in different ways
You haven't once, actually.
You posted a wikipedia article which doesn't mean what you think it means.
I'd like to hear in your own words (to show you actually understand what you're talking about) what infinity is and how it PROVES WITHOUT ANY DOUBT that aliens absolutely exist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437709054
48500212,48504155,2015-07-24 03:38:18,">>48504055
Besides that, there are a number of Jewesses I find quite sexually desirable. It would be quite a tragedy to see them murdered by hordes of angry Christfags.",,Anonymous,emmy rossum.jpg,8f9/uuSPHQ3cKf6wk3mmpQ==,US,,1437709098
48500212,48504187,2015-07-24 03:39:05,Fedora-chan and Christ-chan wrestling pic when?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709145
48500212,48504205,2015-07-24 03:39:42,">>48504187
If they were doki doki who would be on top?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709182
48500212,48504217,2015-07-24 03:40:02,">>48504130
There's no implying about what the UN thinks about your church. 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/10852617/UN-warns-Vatican-to-hand-over-sex-abuse-files-to-police.html",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437709202
48500212,48504228,2015-07-24 03:40:10,">>48504130
oh wow another brilliant post from the 3rd worlder. 
I'm sorry but why do you think your opinion is worth the time reading it again?
You can't even answer basic questions. Fucking retarded cunt.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437709210
48500212,48504244,2015-07-24 03:40:42,"DAILY REMINDER
There is not a single shred of evidence supporting atheitics or theistics views of the world, and if you keep disputing this fact you are either a fedora autismo boy or a full blown gullible retard who deserves to be sterilized.
Also
>2015
>still being cucked by the God jewish maymay
>still being a fedora asperger lord arguing with religious cucks on a chinese cartoon imageboard",,Anonymous,ui.jpg,inoX7l6PKbowfktTKH+pAQ==,IT,,1437709242
48500212,48504250,2015-07-24 03:40:53,">>48504131
I never said aliens absolutely exist, I said that holding the position they absolutely don't exist or even the position that they aren't likely to exist defies logic. Maybe you're thinking that I mean Roswell-tier stuff, just for make things clear I'm talking about extraterrestrial life in general, it doesn't have to be intelligent or even pluricellular.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437709253
48500212,48504340,2015-07-24 03:43:04,">>48504244
There's not a shred of evidence that the Purple Fish Lord isn't the ruler of the Universe.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437709384
48500212,48504346,2015-07-24 03:43:14,">>48504244
Well, Jesus Christ did exist and that's covered by non-Christian historians of that time. Whether you believe he's the son of God or not, that's up to you.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437709394
48500212,48504361,2015-07-24 03:43:25,">>48504205
maybe one with each",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709405
48500212,48504376,2015-07-24 03:43:45,">>48504250
>I never said aliens absolutely exist
You do realise that what you post stays online?
It's not a spoken conversation.
Why would you lie?
> I said that holding the position they absolutely don't exist or even the position that they aren't likely to exist defies logic.
So you can't fucking read?
NOBODY said they outright do not exist NOR that they are unlikely.
In fact, this was explained to you numerous times in the last thread. You're just too fucking stupid to read what we wrote.
>Maybe you're thinking that I mean Roswell-tier stuff, just for make things clear I'm talking about extraterrestrial life in general, it doesn't have to be intelligent or even pluricellular.
>hurrrr bacteria is aliens
Nice mental gymnastics and goalpost shifting cunt. Consider suicide you intellectual nobody.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437709425
48500212,48504387,2015-07-24 03:44:02,">>48504244
Atheism isn't something that requires evidence because it isn't a claim (unless the Atheist is a Gnostic Atheist). 
Most atheism is simply the examination, and then rejection of the Theistic claim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709442
48500212,48504394,2015-07-24 03:44:11,">>48504340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437709451
48500212,48504410,2015-07-24 03:44:37,">>48504244
>I'm agnostic. I admit that I have no idea what I'm talking about. Which means I know more about what I'm talking about than you do.",,Anonymous,penn_jillette.jpg,srnrzhJPj6EjJ4N4UKVcKg==,US,,1437709477
48500212,48504430,2015-07-24 03:45:07,">>48504376
>he believes bacteria isn't aliens
>mfw",,Anonymous,0e9.jpg,ryu8feEeRgOd9Ew5iPzccA==,UY,,1437709507
48500212,48504440,2015-07-24 03:45:17,">>48504394
Have you got evidence that the Purple Fish Lord is not the ruler of the Universe, would you mind provding it to me?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437709517
48500212,48504442,2015-07-24 03:45:18,">>48504394
That's nice and all but you need to explain how they are a false equivalence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709518
48500212,48504480,2015-07-24 03:46:35,">>48504430
>if I post a smug meme, it means I didn't just get absolutely BTFO
Must be nice being a teenager in 2015. Growing up with the world at your fingertips. I didn't have the same privilege. Unfortunately you seem to be throwing that away by being willfully ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437709595
48500212,48504481,2015-07-24 03:46:38,">>48501790
The term spiritual has experienced an inflationary rise in it's usage during the 20th centuary. Mainly from depressed mid 40 female. A non-mystical usage of this term is just a feel-good interpretation for lonely atheists. Nothing more.",,Sage,,,DE,,1437709598
48500212,48504493,2015-07-24 03:47:06,">>48504244
this. thank you anon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709626
48500212,48504500,2015-07-24 03:47:15,">>48504442
I didn't equate it with anything in the first place. I asked a simple question.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437709635
48500212,48504501,2015-07-24 03:47:14,">>48504394
>le wikipedia articles are an argument even though they don't say what I think they say
Post timestamped proof of age. You must be 18 years old to use this site.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437709634
48500212,48504616,2015-07-24 03:50:26,">>48504346
Jesus was just a free love preacher who would probably spit you christfags in the face along with your priests, if he was still alive
>>48504410
>i don't know anything about the universe, yet i'm talking out of my ass on a chinese cartoon imageboard, because, you know, it's still better than admitting i simply don't know the truth
>>48504340
The fedora is showing, mister. I was explicit in saying that the judeo God cucking y'all is a fairy tale, but my statement implies that we lack the necessary scientific knowledge to demonstrate the existence of a higher order of things in the universe.
But yes, please, do keep using fallacies to hide your neckbeard
>yfw",,Anonymous,1336294694183.jpg,vKvnJQMq6FDEEFPrPlMLUQ==,IT,,1437709826
48500212,48504637,2015-07-24 03:51:03,">>48504481
>making shit up
That's the spirit!
Oh wait. I'm not allowed to use that word like that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709863
48500212,48504643,2015-07-24 03:51:10,">>48500212
>Atheism",,Anonymous,1350899838336.gif,UHgQst7h+2CRyY9QwXhYlA==,AU,,1437709870
48500212,48504682,2015-07-24 03:51:58,">>48504480
dude, if that makes you feel better, I don't find it unlikely that there's intelligent life outside the Earth. But if I had to bet, and the means to tell who was right existed, I'd put all my money on extraterrestrial life. The Miller–Urey experiment shows that life isn't that hard to create, but intelligent life requires an encouraging environment. There would be no intelligent life if the conditions didn't make intelligence a needed feature (and I'm using intelligence broadly here, including inferior animals and shit)",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437709918
48500212,48504707,2015-07-24 03:52:32,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xIt1N3CBXE
So some guy is claiming that air planes are actually demons and that God told him this.
Cool Hard Logic has some funny videos where he covers very unique conspiracy videos (moon is fake, planets are the size of cars, there's a woman that defeats chemtrails by purifying the atmosphere with water). Most of his other stuff is just dry atheist rhetoric.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437709952
48500212,48504774,2015-07-24 03:54:24,">>48504481
So describing friends, family, society, art, culture, and all of that in uplifting spirtual terms is now a bad thing? 
This just goes back to the Christian value judgement that the real world is trash and the only good things are God and Heaven.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437710064
48500212,48504778,2015-07-24 03:54:31,">>48504616
>And then he said, ""Jesus was just a free love preacher""",,Anonymous,2313138_happylaughingteengirlslargewide_jpeg3bf25021e2bcf84b305f8e487d31c784.jpg,9mqte/gfXdq+yk5A4FCXFA==,UY,,1437710071
48500212,48504803,2015-07-24 03:55:38,">>48503912
No 'we're' not if there's no pushback",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437710138
48500212,48504824,2015-07-24 03:56:08,">>48504778
DAILY REMINDER
Christianity was created by Jews as a bad spinoff of theirreligion to succesfully destroy Rome with degeneracy and ensure their control over Europe in the centuries to come.
Think about it. God cucks Joseph with Mary (lol virgin) and then he raises the cuckbaby who also gets to be venerated as the Messiah. Also the day of the cuckery is a holiday too
Pic related, the original cuckshed",,Anonymous,1425826637642.jpg,zQe/kjCY4qaU3T5VBQxH/Q==,IT,,1437710168
48500212,48504828,2015-07-24 03:56:13,">>48504682
>dude, if that makes you feel better
Nothing 'makes me feel better'.
You've spent the last however many hours being a complete cunt who is ignoring what multiple people have said to you.
Now you're trying to appear reasonable and it's not going to work like that.
You have failed to explain what 'infinity' means in your own words and you've failed to explain how 'infinity' proves conclusively that aliens exist.
> But if I had to bet, and the means to tell who was right existed, I'd put all my money on extraterrestrial life.
Oh so now you're just going to pretend you weren't saying that aliens absolutely exist. 
What an intellectually dishonest piece of shit you are.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437710173
48500212,48504911,2015-07-24 03:59:07,">>48504616
If you don't give a fuck about this topic, go shitpost in other threads about topics which interest you.
Your failure to hide the threads you don't want to see are not my problem.
Confining the discussion to a X General thread that you can hide is more considerate than we are obligated to be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437710347
48500212,48504944,2015-07-24 04:00:40,">>48504828
Dude, that guy is from fucking Uruguay, i don't even know how he got an internet connection, he has been cucked by the Church from the day he was born, don't be so harsh on him.
And about alien life, i hope you are not denying their existence, otherwise you are bigger cuck than he is. Check out the FBI and NSA archives, they have declassified ufo crashes and alien bodies reports. I can link you something, if you are too lazu to google",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437710440
48500212,48504960,2015-07-24 04:01:21,">>48504828
>Oh so now you're just going to pretend you weren't saying that aliens absolutely exist.
I never said that, I said that the probability of their existence converges to 1. You have infinity. You have some not-too-hard-to-come-by conditions for life to develop, as Miller and Urey demonstrated. Therefore the probability of those conditions happening in only one of the discrete elements of your infinite set is zero. Come on, it's not that hard. Given enough time any planet with conditions similar to pre-life Earth eventually harbors life.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437710481
48500212,48505014,2015-07-24 04:03:08,">>48504828
Well, *something* designed us as today's life forms. Bacteria don't assemble themselves into complex engines and DNA strands giving orders without a cickstart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437710588
48500212,48505055,2015-07-24 04:04:21,">>48504911
Oh, but that would take away the fun of btfoing you retards on the internet. And actually i do give a fuck, i'm trying to share a non mongoloid view of how logic works in the vain attempt at educating you mentally challenged fellas.
Oh and now that we are here, mind explaining wheter you are a fedora autismaster or a religious cuck so i can properly treat you?",,Anonymous,1338032214346.jpg,/clYOgOHrLfhkm5zttEkdQ==,IT,,1437710661
48500212,48505087,2015-07-24 04:05:32,">>48504944
>Dude, that guy is from fucking Uruguay, i don't even know how he got an internet connection, he has been cucked by the Church from the day he was born, don't be so harsh on him.
>says the Italian
>implying Uruguay isn't the most atheistic place in South America
for God's sake, Christmas is called ""Family day"" here, the Epiphany is ""Children's day"", Holy Week is ""Tourism week"". And there are more than those.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437710732
48500212,48505096,2015-07-24 04:05:48,">>48504960
Dude... The shit you've said is fucking written down for anyone to read.
This isn't a verbal conversation.
Explain what infinity is and how it proves conclusively that aliens DO exist.
>>48504944
>i hope you are not denying their existence
Read the last thread.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437710748
48500212,48505121,2015-07-24 04:06:41,">>48505014
come on Finland are you really fucking denying evolution.
If you were from Texas a 3rd world country I'd get it. Isn't your country supposed to be 1st world?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437710801
48500212,48505131,2015-07-24 04:06:57,">>48505014
where can I read your peer-reviewed paper?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437710817
48500212,48505163,2015-07-24 04:08:03,">>48505055
Well you are not doing a very good job.
Your first post was about how there is no evidence to support my beliefs on god and my belief on god is that there is no evidence to show it exists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437710883
48500212,48505180,2015-07-24 04:08:28,">>48504944
>And about alien life, i hope you are not denying their existence, otherwise you are bigger cuck than he is. Check out the FBI and NSA archives, they have declassified ufo crashes and alien bodies reports. I can link you something, if you are too lazu to google
hadn't read this
I don't really think those are actual aliens though, they look more like psy-ops and smoke screens.
>>48505096
>Explain what infinity is and how it proves conclusively that aliens DO exist.
you're asking me to prove something I never even tried to state. So this is what debating with an atheist is like",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437710908
48500212,48505223,2015-07-24 04:10:25,">>48505180
>you're asking me to prove something I never even tried to state. So this is what debating with an atheist is like
I've told you that what you write down is there for everyone to read.
Stop lying to yourself.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711025
48500212,48505232,2015-07-24 04:10:44,">>48505121
I'm just saying that ""natural selection"" doesn't explain how this shit started. Particles converge into bacteria that start eating each other how?",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437711044
48500212,48505239,2015-07-24 04:10:52,">>48504774
It just goes to show that an atheistic interpretation of the term is complete shit.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437711052
48500212,48505286,2015-07-24 04:12:22,">>48505232
So because we don't know something, we therefore must conclude a wizard did it?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437711142
48500212,48505288,2015-07-24 04:12:22,">>48505223
point me to the fucking post where I stated aliens exist. All I said was that denying they exist is unscientific because everything points in the opposite direction as I explained you countless times today.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437711142
48500212,48505315,2015-07-24 04:13:16,">>48505014
No, it didn't.
Evolution and survival of the fittest have made us what we are now.Bacterias can form symbiotic links with other bacterias, thus creating complex lifeforms. We are the results of a massive war for survival waged by unicellular beings millions of years ago.
But, that doesn't mean that we are not something special anyway.Extraterrestrial sentient beings have probably been created using the same mechanism, which means that the last step of evolution is universally the creation of sentient, self aware beings, starting from a few atoms carbon. The implications of this are very deep, and would open the door to some pretty interesting scenarios, each one of them sorting out the possibility that we are just ""accidents"".
>>48505163
Atheism includes also the belief of the non existence of a higher order of things in the universe, which has more or less the same degree of bullshittery of the arbitrary assumption that God exists.
I never said God exists, at least not the jewish may may God",,Anonymous,1338350896154.jpg,3YBsBA1dRMZdW0hAg/UOyg==,IT,,1437711196
48500212,48505346,2015-07-24 04:14:30,">how to get over 9000 replies to your thread:
>just mention the word ""atheist""
That's it! It's so fucking simple, an atheist could do it. UH OH, I smell another 300 replies to this post of mine!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437711270
48500212,48505347,2015-07-24 04:14:38,">>48505288
>point me to the fucking post where I stated aliens exist.
>hurrrr durrrrr I'm going to pretend the whole 'infinity' thing doesn't exist
cunt you're fucking retarded",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711278
48500212,48505350,2015-07-24 04:14:48,">>48505232
This is true, Evolution does not explain the genesis of all life. It only explains how the original basic life forms have since diversified and developed to better survive in their environments. 
The thing many theistic people don't seem to, or refuse to understand, is that Evolution was never supposed to explain the origin of life, something scientists are still working on. 
God or Ayyliums could have done it, however it seems more likely that a naturalistic process will eventually be discovered to explain it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437711288
48500212,48505351,2015-07-24 04:14:55,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLUYN4HY8w
 atheists can't understand parables and metaphors about something that could be greater than themselves unless it involves sodomy
>>average atheist",,Anonymous,1436040111854.jpg,VzHpL9el0ERfrmmgpI1KMQ==,US,,1437711295
48500212,48505370,2015-07-24 04:15:28,">>48505286
Something other than random rocks colliding. DNA doesn't write itself without a beginning to do so.
>>48505131
No papers buddy.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437711328
48500212,48505394,2015-07-24 04:16:18,">>48505288
>All I said was that denying they exist is unscientific because everything points in the opposite direction as I explained you countless times today.
>everything
That is completely false you fucking retard.
You said numerous times that 'infinity' means that aliens exist.
I've asked you for definitive proof that aliens exist and you still have not shown any. 
I've also explained numerous times that saying you do not believe a claim does not mean you believe the opposite.
Go to school you fucking street urchin.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711378
48500212,48505402,2015-07-24 04:16:39,">>48505370
>no papers
oh cool we're just pulling shit out of our ass? noice.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711399
48500212,48505410,2015-07-24 04:16:57,">>48505232
some things become a non-issue when infinity is on your side. Infinite time, infinite scenarios
>>48505315
>Atheism includes also the belief of the non existence of a higher order of things in the universe, which has more or less the same degree of bullshittery of the arbitrary assumption that God exists.
I'd say it has a higher degree of bullshittery, because faith in a deity implies revelation. Atheism means you illuminated yourself more or less kek
>>48505347
""no u""",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437711417
48500212,48505416,2015-07-24 04:17:07,">>48505239
Christian interpretation: an invisible, genderless, shapeless, formless, thing that existed outside the universe is the source of all goodness. Humans are sinful and weak. Spiritualism is based on how much you connect to this thing.
my interpretation: Humans are their own master, we made all good things out of our own effort. Spirtualism is appreciating and immersion yourself in the wonderful world we made ourself 
Which one sounds more depressing to you? Frankly I don't see how Christians can consider them self spiritual at all, the source of their spiritual connection is supposed to be in a different dimension or some crap while my spiritual connection is all around me in the real world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437711427
48500212,48505422,2015-07-24 04:17:19,">>48505370
>Something other than random rocks colliding. DNA doesn't write itself without a beginning to do so.
Right, or we can conclude that we don't know this yet",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437711439
48500212,48505453,2015-07-24 04:18:43,">>48505351
something greater than yourself is basically what Nietzsche had with the Overman.
Although you don't need to read Nietzche to understand that. Just wanting to raise a child right or leave behind a legacy is ""something greater than yourself"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437711523
48500212,48505459,2015-07-24 04:18:51,">>48505315
I know you didn't but the point is that you have come into this thread boasting about how brilliant and how much of a special snowflake you are and how you are going to BTFO everyone and you have started with a strawman argument.
I am an atheist is my position on god is that there is no evidence of god and therefore no reason to believe in one, that does not include a claim that I know for certain or can prove there is not one.
So why do I need any evidence of my own to support this position? I don't.
Oh and before you come back with something along the lines of ""no atheists believe x"" no fuck you I get to decide what my opinions are. You don't.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437711531
48500212,48505476,2015-07-24 04:19:38,">>48505410
>""no u""
So you're just going to pretend what you've written doesn't exist?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711578
48500212,48505537,2015-07-24 04:21:27,">>48505476
>Deb8ing with a thoroughly indoctrinated third worlder. 
Why are you wasting your time ausfriend?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437711687
48500212,48505552,2015-07-24 04:22:02,">>48505394
>You said numerous times that 'infinity' means that aliens exist.
I said that infinity means that there's a 0% chance that aliens don't exist.
The difference is subtle, but it exists.
https://nolaymanleftbehind.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/the-difference-between-impossible-and-zero-probability/
As I said before, it's not my fault you can't into probability.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437711722
48500212,48505581,2015-07-24 04:23:01,">>48505537
>logic arguments
>doctrine
pick one, plebeian",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437711781
48500212,48505641,2015-07-24 04:24:48,">>48505315
No need to namecall
>>48505422
Well you can always say that enough billions trillions zillions of atoms colliding made it possible, because probability, to create first designs to duplicate themselves into bacteria. But this is just out-of-my-ass-pulling.
>>48505402
No need for your acceptance. Prove wrong or show nice pictures.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437711888
48500212,48505653,2015-07-24 04:25:13,">>48505552
>I said that infinity means that there's a 0% chance that aliens don't exist.
So that means that 100% aliens DO exist.
Can I see your conclusive proof of this?
There is no fucking difference.
If there's 0% chance something DOES NOT exist, then by definition there is 100% chance it DOES.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711913
48500212,48505659,2015-07-24 04:25:25,">>48505288
In response to your previous post, i personally saw an UFO a few years ago, along with other 4, completely sober persons. Disc shaped, metallic object, about 15 m of radius floating at 50 m or so above the ground, flashing cobalt lights. Disappeared into thin air after accelerating towards a mountain. Few days later, the same thing was seen by a lot of folks, made it in the news in USA.
But please, take my word here as an aneddotical evidence, i don't want to start a shitstorm here and derail the thread.
>>48505459
You are strawmanning as fuck yourself, fedora man. I said i don't believe in God, the judeo God is a cuckery and so, yes you don't need any proof to say it's bullshit. That is the position of a normal, adjusted person.
But then, your neckbeard powerfully comes out and makes you bark against God, even though i mentioned that it doesn't exist. I simply said, that there is not a single shred of proof to deny the existence of a higher order of things in the universe, and denying this fact is a powerful hint of you fitting the fedora stereotype, and so you should get back to reddit with your peers.
So, please, may i know if we are on the same page here?",,Anonymous,1433765190808.jpg,miwqaXOgXTRGB4ZD7yWuKQ==,IT,,1437711925
48500212,48505669,2015-07-24 04:25:44,">>48505641
>Prove wrong or show nice pictures.
>I can make assertions and you have to prove them wrong
That's not how it works.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437711944
48500212,48505702,2015-07-24 04:26:58,">>48505641
>But this is just out-of-my-ass-pulling.
And yet it's still more likely than 'Some dude made it with magic because he was bored one day'",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437712018
48500212,48505711,2015-07-24 04:27:21,">>48505653
>If there's 0% chance something DOES NOT exist, then by definition there is 100% chance it DOES.
cheers, you have just begun your journey into set theory!
But here's the thing, 100% chance doesn't mean it's true. I could be wrong. It's highly unlikely though, given the conditions of the universe.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712041
48500212,48505731,2015-07-24 04:28:09,">>48505659
>In response to your previous post, i personally saw an UFO a few years ago, along with other 4, completely sober persons. Disc shaped, metallic object, about 15 m of radius floating at 50 m or so above the ground, flashing cobalt lights. Disappeared into thin air after accelerating towards a mountain. Few days later, the same thing was seen by a lot of folks, made it in the news in USA.
>But please, take my word here as an aneddotical evidence, i don't want to start a shitstorm here and derail the thread.
PSYOPS
S
Y
O
P
S",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712089
48500212,48505740,2015-07-24 04:28:19,"Just stop talking to Uruguay. He beleives in aliens, infinity, god and all sorts of whacky stuff.
Leave him alone, he's a complete nutcase and you can't reason with him.
Further more we need people like that in the world to make things less boring.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437712099
48500212,48505744,2015-07-24 04:28:39,">>48505669
You say I'm wrong, I expect answer why. Let's learn here.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437712119
48500212,48505751,2015-07-24 04:28:58,">>48505641
>Well you can always say that enough billions trillions zillions of atoms colliding made it possible, because probability, to create first designs to duplicate themselves into bacteria
If you mix ammonia and methane into a test tube, and the you zap the test tube, you can create organic molecules.
But like i said, it doesn't mean that life is random and that we have no purpose, etc etc. See my previous post again
>>48505731
I'm officially done talking to you",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437712138
48500212,48505752,2015-07-24 04:28:57,">>48505711
You're a moron. 
There is zero evidence of aliens existing.
If you think 'chance' proves anything then we are done.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712137
48500212,48505761,2015-07-24 04:29:17,">>48505744
You need to prove your assertions",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712157
48500212,48505779,2015-07-24 04:30:04,">>48505740
>he doesn't know the universe is infinite and in continuous expansion
Jimmies' status:
[X] Rustled
[ ] Unrustled",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712204
48500212,48505798,2015-07-24 04:30:41,">>48505659
What do you mean strawmanning?
You first post said there was no evidence to support MY position and it was therefore wrong.
I have just demonstrated MY position needs no evidence to support it so your argument about MY position was invalid.
I don't give a flying fuck what you said about Yahweh, that has no relevance.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437712241
48500212,48505827,2015-07-24 04:31:34,">>48505752
>There is zero evidence of aliens existing.
there's even less evidence to think they don't exist. Do you realize how insignificant is our galaxy in the whole universe?
>>48505751
Oh, come on, I was just pulling your leg. I'm skeptic about UFOs though.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712294
48500212,48505828,2015-07-24 04:31:34,">>48505416
>Christian interpretation: an invisible, genderless, shapeless, formless, thing that existed outside the universe is the source of all goodness
You misunderstand. God is not the source of all goodness. He himself is goodness. God is love. 
>Humans are sinful and weak
Can't handle it? Want to elevate yourself because you want to feel better about yourself?
>the source of their spiritual connection is supposed to be in a different dimension
Atleast get the teachings right, retard. God, as the creator of the world, is also the one who upholds it by being in it. The whole point of Christianity is that God is in the world and not somewhere far away.
>my spiritual connection is all around me in the real world.
Fuck your substance dualism. Descartes wants to take a look at your epiphysis.",,Anonymous,057.png,8g5JJyjlaXfjBm9gDJ1Rhg==,DE,,1437712294
48500212,48505867,2015-07-24 04:33:18,">>48505828
10/10 would read again",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712398
48500212,48505871,2015-07-24 04:33:22,">>48505827
>there's even less evidence to think they don't exist
You realise how fucking stupid you sound right now?
> Do you realize how insignificant is our galaxy in the whole universe?
Yep, you still need to actually prove they exist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712402
48500212,48505888,2015-07-24 04:34:05,">>48505828
God is not the source of all goodness. He himself is goodness.
What a depressing world view. Humans are not even permitted to be good.
Basically they are sinful and wicked and if you don't like you are commiting Hubris?
Do you know what stockholmn syndrome is? That defines your relationship with god pretty well.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437712445
48500212,48505892,2015-07-24 04:34:11,">>48505871
>Yep, you still need to actually prove they exist.
I proved the 100% chance, that's enough. Never claimed anything else than that.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712451
48500212,48505906,2015-07-24 04:34:32,">>48505827
>there's no evidence god doesn't exist, therefore god exists",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712472
48500212,48505960,2015-07-24 04:36:25,">>48505892
You didn't 'prove' anything.
And no it's not enough. You need to prove it exists",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712585
48500212,48505975,2015-07-24 04:37:06,">>48505798
>the density of this motherfucker
I see you love depicting me as a theist so you can unleash your reddit rhetoric on me so you can please your fedora properly.
You can either read my previous post again, realize that you are a retard, come back here, apologize and return talking like grown ups.
Otherwise i can keep mocking your low IQ and your even lower reading comprehension at my whim.
>>48505828
>b8",,Anonymous,1430564463388.jpg,qu7covV+xEpt+FP85qebzw==,IT,,1437712626
48500212,48505980,2015-07-24 04:37:16,">>48505751
It was a good post
>We are the results of a massive war for survival waged by unicellular beings millions of years ago
Yes.
Still, I believe in intelligence beyond this realm, perhaps also originated from the same atomic clusterfuck but nevertheless holding power over us.
>>48505761
Well I take my previous assertion back. Chance has a lot to do with life but it doesn't disprove a higher power.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1437712636
48500212,48505994,2015-07-24 04:37:51,">>48505960
can you prove you exist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437712671
48500212,48506021,2015-07-24 04:39:02,">>48505994
Nope. I could be a brain in a vat",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712742
48500212,48506039,2015-07-24 04:39:38,">>48505980
Indeed. And then just wait a few decades until we master quantum computing. AI merging, space exploration, immortality, using non linear computing to solve NP complex problems and see if there is an equation of everything.
It's going to be fun",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437712778
48500212,48506063,2015-07-24 04:40:22,">>48505892
Jeez you guys have been at this a long time.
I actually tend to agree with you I think it is highly probable that aliens exist, not quite so sure that we have quite enough data to say the probability is converging on 1, but certainly good enough to say that it is highly probable.
If you think that is some kind of metaphor supporting the claim god exists though you are wrong, because we have no data at all supporting argument one way or another.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437712822
48500212,48506067,2015-07-24 04:40:39,">>48505906
nice strawman, faggot
you look at the tree and miss the forest. It's a complex argument involving astrophysics, chemistry, biology and probability.
1) As the Miller–Urey experiment proved, sufficient conditions for generation of life aren't hard to come by
2) Planets with the same chemical cocktail as the Miller-Urey experiment are common
3) Infinite planets, infinite time
4) After X time, life begins in said conditions. Since you have infinite scenarios with the above conditions and infinite time, the probability of life being spawned is 1
QED",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437712839
48500212,48506102,2015-07-24 04:41:52,">>48506067
>strawman
>literally your own fucking argument",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437712912
48500212,48506117,2015-07-24 04:42:20,">>48505975
What the hell are you talking about? 
I haven't depicted you as a theist. In fact I am getting the stong impression you probably agree with me and most of the atheists on here and you are desperately trying to make yourself out to be some kind of special snowflake just so you can sling lame insults both ways.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437712940
48500212,48506156,2015-07-24 04:44:17,">>48506063
>If you think that is some kind of metaphor supporting the claim god exists though you are wrong, because we have no data at all supporting argument one way or another.
I just argued aliens because ID TF6J7m78, this glorious faggot, claimed denying the existence of aliens wasn't unscientific.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437713057
48500212,48506181,2015-07-24 04:45:11,">>48506117
Do you deny the existence of a higher order in the universe? Are you sure that we are just alone in a random, meaningless universe?
[Yes] [No].
Come on it's easy. Just say yes or no",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437713111
48500212,48506241,2015-07-24 04:47:08,">>48506181
If you read my posts rather than claiming I called you a theist you would already know what my position is as I gave it to you here.>>48505459
I will repeat.
I am an atheist and my position on god is that there is no evidence of god and therefore no reason to believe in one, that does not include a claim that I know for certain or can prove there is not one.
So why do I need any evidence of my own to support this position? I don't.
Oh and before you come back with something along the lines of ""no atheists believe x"" no fuck you I get to decide what my opinions are. You don't.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437713228
48500212,48506277,2015-07-24 04:48:06,">>48506181
No.
I suspect deities do not exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437713286
48500212,48506338,2015-07-24 04:50:28,">>48501707
MusLims?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1437713428
48500212,48506387,2015-07-24 04:52:13,">>48506241
>>48506277
I am not talking about god, deities or the tooth fairy, you gargantuan retards, i'm talking about order, i'm talking about the existence of an equation explaining everything and the possibilty that there is more than the visible Universe studied by our primitive models.
You have to say, yes i believe there is the possibility of such a thing, but i'm still not sure, or you can say, no i think it's not true, and in this case you have to prove it doesn't exist, otherwise i will call you fedora and neckbeard.
Claro?",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437713533
48500212,48506412,2015-07-24 04:53:03,">>48506063
>>48506156
Oh, and to put it bluntly, if alien denial wasn't unscientific, there wouldn't be any scientists looking for alien life. Why would they send probes and things like the mars rover if the scientific position is that aliens don't exist? Skepticism is the scientific position. Not denial. And this is somewhat equivalent to agnosticism being the scientific position, instead of atheism. Doubt, not denial.
I'm personally religious but faith and reason don't go on the same lane. They might need to merge sometimes but they aren't the same thing and sometimes are mutually exclusive (some knowledge is available through reason, some through revelation). And I'm okay with that.",,Anonymous,39X.png,F9fitlacd0QOVnqjvOVQaQ==,UY,,1437713583
48500212,48506450,2015-07-24 04:54:31,">>48505888
So you want to be love?
Also: You have a rather substance ontological approach to the whole matter. It is clouded by Greek philosophy. From your point of view the substance of humans is sinful. 
That is not a modern christian understanding of the topic. Humans have a broken relationship with God. That is the source of sin. It's not their nature in itself. The Bible uses the term relation and not substance. The reason why the relationship between humans and God is broken is fairly easy. It's hybris as you said. Do you know what hybris is? Thinking that you are without fault if you just walk away. It's not the fault in itself that makes you sinful. It's the denial that you can fail that makes you sinful. At that moment death also becomes the ultimate failure of your life. When you are with God, though, it is just the natural conclusion of your life and does not signify failure.
>>48505975
>logic
>bait
Retard.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437713671
48500212,48506487,2015-07-24 04:55:51,">>48505888
>What a depressing world view. Humans are not even permitted to be good.
I'm not sure you're grasping the teaching. All creation is good. They are all conditioned forms of the unconditioned good, which is God. This is how Christians would say we grasp God through analogy. All creation reflects God insofar all being is an expression of its source. This is also what it means to say that living a more saintly life is living in ""the divine life"". We, through our love, give an expression of God's love.
Mankind is in a fallen state, capable of being harmed by many different irrational desires, but is still capable of the good innately and their very being is good in itself.
To think that humans are innately sinful and wicked is the doctrine of Total Depravity, which is solely Calvinist/Puritan. But Calvinists are very close to gnosticism in worldview and can go fuck itself for it.",,WOLFSHIEM,1354437249088.jpg,cdCHTOl8x+Fi/EqPwFPdrA==,US,,1437713751
48500212,48506493,2015-07-24 04:56:02,">>48500606
You are a fucking autist. Go back to reddit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437713762
48500212,48506534,2015-07-24 04:57:29,">>48506387
>otherwise i will call you fedora and neckbeard.
Well gosh, that has never happened on /pol/ before, go ahead if you want to make yourself look like a retard.
> i'm talking about order, i'm talking about the existence of an equation explaining everything and the possibilty that there is more than the visible Universe studied by our primitive models.
Well clearly there is much more to the universe than we have so far discovered and yes there probably are natural laws governing everything.
Not quite sure what you mean about ""the visible universe"" though. I sure as fuck can;t see an atom or an electron so you will have to qualify what you mean.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437713849
48500212,48506540,2015-07-24 04:57:56,">>48506063
>I actually tend to agree with you I think it is highly probable that aliens exist, not quite so sure that we have quite enough data to say the probability is converging on 1, but certainly good enough to say that it is highly probable.
I absolutely don't deny that at all. 
But probability has nothing to do with it actually existing.
Until such a time as aliens are PROVEN to exist, I will continue to not believe they exist.
Not that not believing they exist does NOT mean I believe they DO NOT exist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437713876
48500212,48506557,2015-07-24 04:58:40,">>48506493
Oh brilliant rebuttal.
Don't have anything to say so you're just going to use le reddit maymay?
Go back to church dick lips",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437713920
48500212,48506558,2015-07-24 04:58:47,">>48506387
Order is illusion unconsciously manifested by the human nervous system and imposed upon the subjective experience of reality.
I suspect deities do not exist.
That's my final answer.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437713927
48500212,48506578,2015-07-24 04:59:52,">>48506387
>no i think it's not true, and in this case you have to prove it doesn't exist, otherwise i will call you fedora and neckbeard
based Italian
offtopic story:
>theres this chick I've known since like 2011
>she was Christian (non-denominational, with a Catholic background, aka I cherrypick what I like and discard what I don't)
>pro gay, feminist, hippy-ish
>in 2013 she decides she's atheist now
>starts wearing a side shave haircut
>mfw the only thing she needs to become pic related is not being a spic, being pro-abortion and supporting leftist economic policies
She's becoming increasingly a cultural marxist and she isn't aware of it kek",,Anonymous,college-liberal-girl.jpg,fq+wNPLTTkK3KM94ypPn2g==,UY,,1437713992
48500212,48506632,2015-07-24 05:02:26,">>48506021
You'd still exist, your body as you understand it might not, but if you're a disembodied brain you still have a conscious mind and personality. 
Just as a person with severe muscle atrophy might not really have much of a body left outside of their vital organs, yet assuming their brain still functions (like Stephen Hawking) they are still conscious and a person. 
EVEN if we were programs running in an immensely complex computer, this does not negate our consciousness, our code is still complex enough that we are aware of our own consciousness, capable of introspection.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437714146
48500212,48506646,2015-07-24 05:03:00,">>48506450
There is so much filth in your philosophy. I really don't know how to begin replying.
>So you want to be love?
What the fuck does this even mean. There is nothing I ""want"" I have everything and I get more every day.
>Humans have a broken relationship with God
You are the one with the relationship with God, not me. So basically you are saying that YOU have a broken relationship with your own God.
>That is the source of sin
Everyone is free to make their own value judgements, to invent their own moral system. You have deemed yourself as being full of sin
It sounds to me you have concocted a very depressing world view for yourself in which you are a lowly sinner, the only good in all reality is ""god"" and you are having trouble with your relationship with him.
That's pathetic. Your poor lost little sheep, you can't even find your shepard. 
I'm happy. I love this human world, I love humans, I love our culture, our science, our art, this world is where my meaning is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437714180
48500212,48506649,2015-07-24 05:03:03,">>48506578
>college-liberal-girl
>girl
That is actually a guy.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437714183
48500212,48506674,2015-07-24 05:03:41,">>48506540
I'm not sure you've got that quite right Aussiefriend. I believe aliens exist because the probability is they do so. There is actual evidence in the form of life on our planet plus the size of the galaxy.
I don't believe that god exists because there is not a shred of evidence, nothing to cling onto that would even give us to try and calculate the possibility that it exists.
I don't believe god exists",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437714221
48500212,48506676,2015-07-24 05:03:47,">>48506632
I know it's not b8, but pic related seemed relevant because of matrix lel",,Anonymous,1435893257893.png,MPHiDr+4siXWCOSwc0sFag==,UY,,1437714227
48500212,48506688,2015-07-24 05:04:23,">>48506487
And lets not forget the biblical benediction of the creation in Genesis 1:
>31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
The creation in itself is good.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437714263
48500212,48506692,2015-07-24 05:04:36,">>48506450
I can use logic to prove anything, using the right postulates. Doesn't mean the postulates you are using are true. So yes, b8
>>48506487
Pfttt, look at this fag and laugh everyone, i bet the Vatican pays him to shill his bullshit on /pol/
>>48506534
Ah, finally we have an answer. You are a good man
>>48506558
>Order is illusion unconsciously manifested by the human nervous system
It is actually the possibility of reconducing reality to mathematical laws able to explain and replicate the phenomenon, something we are able to do. That includes the possibility of altering the phenomenon so we can use it to do stuff, such as transmit informations, just like the bullshit you are writing on a chinese cartoon imageboard
I suspect the fedora has now taken full control over your brain, but it's still worth trying to save you from its nefarious influence",,Anonymous,1373308819048.jpg,6Q03W7uWmrvunQB3kkIAFg==,IT,,1437714276
48500212,48506726,2015-07-24 05:05:54,">>48506649
it is? top kek, must suck to be such an effeminate beta faggot",,Anonymous,bf8.png,6R/ELCE2FHWhIwJ6i5wlzg==,UY,,1437714354
48500212,48506737,2015-07-24 05:06:21,">>48506578
Only your penis can save her at this point. Do it",,Anonymous,1364915470224.jpg,WBjMjJJOiutNxaWcB9WxNg==,IT,,1437714381
48500212,48506745,2015-07-24 05:06:42,">>48506688
If I may ask, what exactly makes it good? 
Is it good simply because it exists, is it good because God made it, and he is good, so his initial creation was also good by default? 
Explain please.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437714402
48500212,48506773,2015-07-24 05:07:54,">>48506578
Also
>non-denominationals
Non-denominationals and unitarians are overall very poor and usually shows a person who has a weak grasp of the religion they're dealing with. Unitarians moreso, as they kind of skip over doctrine itself but still like the idea of religion. It's poor.",,WOLFSHIEM,aintnobody.jpg,N0+BHYDeopqCY7yygnsi6Q==,US,,1437714474
48500212,48506775,2015-07-24 05:07:56,">>48506737
>having intercourse with spics
>ever",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437714476
48500212,48506795,2015-07-24 05:08:43,">>48506726
Nah it's not a guy, it's more wishful thinking that guys could be like her so he doesn't feel guilty when having sex with guys and then run as fast as he can in the comfort of the closet, so God doesn't see him touching another's man wee wee and sends him to hell",,Anonymous,1373817811430.jpg,VuIKwIf0/Yswf5zeIaTN8Q==,IT,,1437714523
48500212,48506808,2015-07-24 05:09:23,">>48506692
>Ah, finally we have an answer. You are a good man
Jeez dude so we did agree and you have spent the entire thread acting like a twat for no reason.
If you wanted to know wether we agreed there is order to the universe you could have just asked to start with rather than making post after post slinging shit.
It isn't some special little secret only you are aware of, I'm not a physicist but my understanding is that physics is based on the concept there is order and natural laws, it wouldn't work otherwise.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437714563
48500212,48506815,2015-07-24 05:09:39,">>48506773
it's one of the first steps towards atheism
>engaging in sodomy isn't a sin because I say so
they literally put themselves over God",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437714579
48500212,48506816,2015-07-24 05:09:39,">>48506487
Yes yes yes
All the world is a shadow. God is light. The material world is only a reflection of the truely wonderful world that is God, the outside of the cave.
>>48501681
But you need to understand that in the Christian world view the other posted described the world is indeed nothing but evil. He said himself that ""God is goodness"".
God does not exist in our universe so our universe does not contain anything good at all. We can only see goodness as shadow's on a wall, as imitations, as approximations. This is not true goodness because it is not truly God.
Only when you die, when you 'escape the cave' can you reach goodness.
That is your depressing world view. This is my worldview>>48501157
And you know what? We are BOTH RIGHT. Because we are both making value judgements on reality. One's value judgement on reality can never be 'wrong' because it is only an opinion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437714579
48500212,48506827,2015-07-24 05:10:12,">>48506808
>rather than making post after post slinging shit.
Better safe than sorry, anon",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437714612
48500212,48506859,2015-07-24 05:11:45,">>48506646
>I'm happy. I love this human world, I love humans, I love our culture, our science, our art, this world is where my meaning is.
You meant to say: In this world, I am is where the meaning is.
I have deemed myself as not perfect. However, through God I do understand that my faults do not result in my ultimate failure. You, on the other hand side, seem to be blind of your own faults. Well, the atheist society does not see any fault with abortion either. Nazis didn't see a problem with their murders either. It was a moral obligation for them. That's what's called being an apologist for crime.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437714705
48500212,48506920,2015-07-24 05:14:04,">>48506816
>God does not exist in our universe so our universe does not contain anything good at all. We can only see goodness as shadow's on a wall, as imitations, as approximations. This is not true goodness because it is not truly God.
But yes, let's just keep assuming and using big words so i can pretend how stuff works, look cool and bang all the hot chicks",,Anonymous,1367176825824.jpg,R/hW2nYKilzk3caseisw0A==,IT,,1437714844
48500212,48506946,2015-07-24 05:15:11,"see ya fellas, gotta get some sleep, exam today
>>48506827
>Better safe than sorry, anon
kek
>>48506646
>I'm euphoric. I love this human world, I love humans, I love our culture, our science, our art, this world is where my meaning is.
FTFY",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1437714911
48500212,48506968,2015-07-24 05:16:11,">>48506816
>All the world is a shadow. God is light. The material world is only a reflection of the truely wonderful world that is God, the outside of the cave.
""Shadow"" is your own choice of words, as is light.
""God"" is not a world.
Outside the cave? You mean that horribly abused version of Plato's cave allegory? The ""outside the cave"" ignores the doctrine of a ""New Heavens and the New Earth"".",,WOLFSHIEM,"bang, zoom, straight into your goddamn imagination.jpg",A1zraKeI5SpMiY72W163WA==,US,,1437714971
48500212,48507046,2015-07-24 05:19:22,">>48506859
What you are doing is taking your one perspective, a very specific Christian perspective (there are many, many Christian perspectives) and asking yourself why everyone does it see it this way.
I do have flaws, many, many of them. But what I might call flaw you might call a virtue and visa versa.
You cannot empirical prove to me that my flaws are not virtue. It is only a perspective, a value judgment. Likewise I cannot prove that your virtues (say your piety) are not flaws. I can only assign value judgements to them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437715162
48500212,48507109,2015-07-24 05:22:31,">>48506968
>New Heavens and the New Earth
I do not know the religion as well as you. I assume you are refering to the idea that the 'return of Jesus' will have him physically rule the planet and turn it into a Utopia?
Also you need to understand that when I talk about the cave I am only interested in it's value judgements (apparent world=bad and meaningless, unseen world=good and meaningful). This value judgement is passed on in early Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437715351
48500212,48507113,2015-07-24 05:22:35,">>48506816
>God does not exist in our universe so our universe does not contain anything good at all. We can only see goodness as shadow's on a wall, as imitations, as approximations. This is not true goodness because it is not truly God.
What?
God being the creator of the universe and all good, all his creation must be good by virtue of God's character. Thus, creation is good in itself.
>We can only see goodness as shadow's on a wall, as imitations, as approximations
How could goodness be hidden around if the world is ""nothing but evil""? That makes no sense. You're mistaking the idea of conditioned good being a form of the unconditioned good as the creation expressing virtue in subtle ways and God being virtue purely. This is bullshit and not Christian whatsoever. Even the earliest of Christians assert evil has no material form but is simply a privation of the good.",,WOLFSHIEM,adventure!.gif,6elOka9dDKgxkNc50XJulw==,US,,1437715355
48500212,48507231,2015-07-24 05:28:15,">>48506745
It a blessing from God that made it good. 'And he saw that it was good' is a blessing. The other blessing is the Sabbath in the Bible. It is a holiday in celebration of the creation.
The creation is also not radically opposed to God. The complete opposition to God is not evil, rather it's nothingness. Church teachings have the creatio ex nihilo (creation out of nothing) when it comes to the creation of the world. If you'd go step through step of it, the very first step in the creation of the world would be the creation of a space that is not God, since there was only God before. God took himself back to leave room for others to exist in. But it's not the nothingness in which we exist, it's the room God created for us inside this nothingness, that we take up. We are opposed to the nothingness (nihilo) as long as we exist. The nihilo is a state where simply nothing matters. No good, no evil. That is, where sin will lead us to.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437715695
48500212,48507284,2015-07-24 05:30:01,">>48507113
Early Christianity was very hostile to the material world. Jesus tells us Satan is the God of this world. At certain points even the concept of nature itself was seen as evil. The physical body was seen as a cage, a prison, which houses the soul. Natural urges and instincts are 'temptations'. The whole world is filled with 'sin'.
Many of those ideas are still alive today to some degree (less so than the past a sympton of the religion's slow death): for instance the idea that masturbating or having sex for pleasure is sinful.
The Christian ideal is that the world used to be good in the garden of eden, God lived with his creations, but humans in their weakness fell from grace. God moved further away and the world became worst.
God is reflected in all good things. The idea that good morality comes from God himself, that it is by His Love that we learn charity, grace, etc.
The value judgments going on are this
-humans are weak and should possess great shame (origenal sin, fallen man)
-the unseen world is good (source of charity, home of the good God)
-the apparent world is bad. Good things in the apparent world are here only because of their connection to the unseen world (hence the idea that you cannot be good without God)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437715801
48500212,48507302,2015-07-24 05:30:51,">>48507109
>>48507109
>I assume you are refering to the idea that the 'return of Jesus' will have him physically rule the planet and turn it into a Utopia?
Not particularly, no. Its the endgame after final judgement.
>The New Earth is an expression used in the books of [SKIPPING] in the Bible to describe the final state of redeemed humanity.
>The basic idea expressed in this doctrine is that God's people will inherit a New Earth.
It is plenty more complicated than that but this says pretty explicitly a return to the material. If this is endgame, the judgement of the material being bad in itself is pretty stupid. All material must be conditioned forms of more core things so the ""god by analogy"" view would be relevant then too.
>cave allegory 
>value judgements of creation
Fuck, man, the cave allegory was supposed to be an allegory of education. I've researched Christians using the allegory and it's own in the sense of struggling to teach the nature of the spiritual life, which is in line with the allegory itself.",,WOLFSHIEM,1362090186120.jpg,D0mMRL2Sw/Rwp/2AP62RAg==,US,,1437715851
48500212,48507304,2015-07-24 05:30:59,">>48506692
>It is actually the possibility of reconducing reality to mathematical laws able to explain and replicate the phenomenon, something we are able to do
only to a highly questionable degree of accuracy, especially when you talk of an equation which can supposedly describe a model the entire universe and beyond.
Examples include:
>There exist no constructs in nature which conform to the exact standards of geometrical shapes and structures.
>The trajectory of a projectile cannot be predicted with exactitude.
>It is safe to neglect the influence of the gravitational field of one of Saturn's moons on artificial satellites orbiting Earth.
The more complex the model, the more precise the conditions must be when describing it, otherwise you are wasting your time.
Nevertheless, we're not ""discovering"" these equations as if they exist in the ether of supernatural existence just waiting to be stumbled upon. We're just refining them from the most basic of descriptions. Just like we came up with the name for a ""zebra"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437715859
48500212,48507363,2015-07-24 05:33:38,">>48507109
>apparent world=bad and meaningless, unseen world=good and meaningful
That's Gnosticism. It has been deemed a heresy in early Christianity, you retard. Read some Augustine.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437716018
48500212,48507470,2015-07-24 05:38:37,">>48507363
Why bother having another world to escape to if you aren't satisfied with the current world?
A people that truely loved the earth would never consider heaven a good idea.
Healthy religions operate on the idea of reincarnation. The idea that the earth is good and you would want to experience it forever.
While there are other healthy religions that have an escapist world (Greek, paganism) these religions do no emphasis the after life very much.
Unhealthy religions (Christianity,Judaism, Gnostism) are obsessed with escaping the world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437716317
48500212,48507531,2015-07-24 05:41:04,">>48506632
>this much of a shitty tangent
ok? Congrats on wasting all that time writing all that",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437716464
48500212,48507535,2015-07-24 05:41:14,">>48507470
This is true. Christians hate the world so much they literally want god to destroy it, they are very sick people.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437716474
48500212,48507581,2015-07-24 05:43:13,">>48506674
>I believe aliens exist because the probability is they do so
So you believe things that you have no evidence they exist? 
And how is that different to religitards believing in a god?
Probability doesn't mean it actually exists. 
> There is actual evidence in the form of life on our planet plus the size of the galaxy.
Yes and religious people would claim that as proof of god. Hardly what I'd call 'evidence' of either.
>I don't believe that god exists because there is not a shred of evidence, nothing to cling onto that would even give us to try and calculate the possibility that it exists.
There is exactly as much evidence of aliens as there is of god. The fact you believe in one and not the other is incredibly hypocritical.
Special pleading will not get you out of this.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437716593
48500212,48507629,2015-07-24 05:45:05,">>48507284
>Early Christianity was very hostile to the material world.
Only in the sense that Christianity began its movement into Europe through Greece, which was highly into platonism. No doubt people use their existing modes of thought to begin to grasp new ones, so no doubt it influenced their understandings of things but Christianity also warped their understanding away from Platonism. Beginning with St. Clement, Christianity was the ""answer"" to Platonism and radically transformed the ideas it had.
>Jesus tells us Satan is the God of this world.
Only in the respect that people move away from worshiping God to worshiping Satan. This is not to say that the material is bad or even that people are innately bad but rather that people are, en masse, being bad.
>At certain points even the concept of nature itself was seen as evil. The physical body was seen as a cage, a prison, which houses the soul
To be fair, I don't know much of soul theology down the line. I do know substance dualism began FAR later than the period we're talking about, but I'll fold here as I'm too uneducated on the matter.
>Natural urges and instincts are 'temptations'.
This is a misunderstanding. I mention this in >>48506487
>Mankind is in a fallen state, capable of being harmed by many different irrational desires, but is still capable of the good innately and their very being is good in itself.
They understood their fallen state and seek disciplining of the rational self over irrational desires. This is not a rejection of urges, though some did do that, but a disciplining of the self.
>for instance the idea that masturbating or having sex for pleasure is sinful.
Actually, both deal with selfish lust and the disciplining of the self from that.
>but humans in their weakness fell from grace.
They have a wounded state, not a totally depraved state.
>God moved further away
Nope.
>by His Love that we learn charity, grace, etc.
Insofar as he creates it himself, as he is the creator.",,WOLFSHIEM,well okay.jpg,TJEK+rahMc7HfRsROcifsQ==,US,,1437716705
48500212,48507639,2015-07-24 05:45:28,">>48507302
Christianity had a massive MASSIVE influence from plato and Socrates
Neoplatonism was a major influence on Christian theology throughout Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages in the West due to St. Augustine of Hippo, who was influenced by the early Neoplatonists Plotinus and Porphyry, and the works of the Christian writer Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite, who was influenced by later Neoplatonists, such as Proclus and Damascius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism_and_Christianity
As I said before it is the VALUE JUDGMENTS of the cave, the world of forms, etc. That Plato inserted into the bible
>Also you need to understand that when I talk about the cave I am only interested in it's value judgements (apparent world=bad and meaningless, unseen world=good and meaningful). This value judgement is passed on in early Christianity.
The value judgment as God as the supreme goodness and as thing's goodness value being related to how close they are to God...combined with the idea that God is distant in an unreal world and the chief goal of humans is to connect with this goodness: This is a value judgment AGAINST the earth. By elevating the unseen world and it's unseen God the real world and humans are lowered.
In order to accept this value judgement you must have a negative view of humans. Thus the concept of sin being everywhere and the many Christians that say ""but the world is bad! how can you be an atheist and be happy in this awful world"".
All this adds up to is a negative view of the world, a sickening, and discussing condemning of all humanity. There is no religion with more hatred to humans than Christianity and Judaism ""original sin"" the very idea that you are born wicked and sinful. Terrible values.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437716728
48500212,48507677,2015-07-24 05:47:07,">>48507639
>arguing with wolfshiet the most dishonest cunt on /pol/
you've been warned friendo",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437716827
48500212,48507724,2015-07-24 05:49:15,">>48507581
That's not true, there is evidence - us, life on this planet. 
We haven't found any supernatural beings that would suggest another supenatural being exists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437716955
48500212,48507740,2015-07-24 05:50:00,">>48507470
>Healthy religions operate on the idea of reincarnation.
You do realize that the ultimate aim of those healthy religions is to escape this cycle of reincarnation because it is dreadful and pure suffering.
You know so little, yet you talk so much. Wishing for the world to become a better place is called escapism? I think the true escapism is to give up and resign yourself to the thought that this world will never change, that you can do nothing about it. That is why atheists fear Christianity so much. Christians do not want to feel comfortable in a world that is dictated by gain and loss. They stand up for a world that is better than this.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437717000
48500212,48507821,2015-07-24 05:53:21,">>48507629
>Only in the respect that people move away from worshiping God to worshiping Satan. This is not to say that the material is bad or even that people are innately bad but rather that people are, en masse, being bad.
Nobody in Jesus' time worshipped Satan. Satan was still a Hasatan a jewish spirit that worked with God, he seeks out people and tests them. See the book of Job.
Satan the fallen angel would not come into existence till much later. It (like Hassatan) was a human invention.
The idea that the ""god of this world"" is Hassatan, the trickster. Is so fucking close to Gnosticism you can practically smell the Demiurge and we both know what Gnostistics think of this world....
As for the rest of your comments. All you are fucking saying is ""yes the world is filled with bad things but through the grace of god we can resist them and be saved"". So basically you DO condemn the world and want escapism. You just view the whole thing as positive because you will get to move away from the bad and towards the good (God...when you die).
In other words, death cult mentality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437717201
48500212,48507940,2015-07-24 05:57:53,">>48507629
Is this correct?
>As far as Aquinas' argument from consistency, it rests on the proposition that conceivably, under different circumstances, the universe could not exist. Therefore, there must be a being which exists by necessity to not only have created the universe, but sustain the existence of the universe, whether it is eternal or not.
>The problem is the proposition that the universe could conceivably not exist. All of my what? It sounds feasible on its surface, but the universe itself may just necessarily exist.
>So in conclusion, the problem with all versions of the Cosmological argument is that they start by simply denying the universe itself the ability to fulfill the requirements they set forth in the argument for no god damned reason.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437717473
48500212,48507961,2015-07-24 05:58:36,">>48507740
How is the ""goal"" of for example buddism escaping this world?
It may be something that they believe they can do, but how many of them actually want to escape the cycle?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1437717516
48500212,48507965,2015-07-24 05:58:40,">>48507740
>You do realize that the ultimate aim of those healthy religions is to escape this cycle of reincarnation because it is dreadful and pure suffering
That is true but only for some sects. Buddhism and Hinduism have very fluid metaphysics. In some the goal is to escape and merge with God like orange tang like from that one anime. In some versions that outcome does not exist. In others there are no Gods at all!
The escapist sects are the unhealthy ones.
>That is why atheists fear Christianity so much
I was so convinced my atheist ideas thought I SOUGHT OUT Christian theologians to try to convince my otherwise. I intentionally tried to find the brightest theologians (Augustine gets my vote), I read your bible, etc.
I do not fear your silly religion. I demanded that it defeat me! And I found the whole thing was a joke. The bible is laughable and your smartest theologian ever would lose debates to 16 year old children online if he were still alive.
Have you done the same. Have you read the anti-chirst? I've actually read comments from Christians that read it and half of them said they were so fucking angry they couldn't even do 5 pages.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437717520
48500212,48507976,2015-07-24 05:58:49,">>48506487
One of the errors in christianity is calling God all good. Why would that be? Why could God not also have an evil side? That would stroke much more with reality, as saying that all creation is good is evidently absurd. There is plenty of evil (or indifference) in the natural world, even without humans.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437717529
48500212,48507992,2015-07-24 05:59:20,">>48507821
>See the book of Job.",,Anonymous,Job.jpg,i00VSwX4SP2PlJ86EZc5SQ==,DE,,1437717560
48500212,48508039,2015-07-24 06:01:11,">>48507629
>Face it, son. You and I both know for certain that Father created a bunch of hopeless retards.
>Do you really think you can just overturn Father's commandments by telling people they are being a bunch of hopeless retards?
>I have an idea. Just guilt trip them.
>Oh, I'm sorry, was that your plan?
>Good luck. I have a feeling that they'll be begging desperately for you to come back for the next 2000 years.
>But they won't be begging you to come back because they miss you.
>They'll be begging you to come back because they hate each other.
>Just fucking kill them.
>Why do you bother?",,Anonymous,Temptation_of_Christ.jpg,Vf2fl0hB4IzoziD3gtS6sA==,US,,1437717671
48500212,48508239,2015-07-24 06:09:51,">>48507976
In religions humans put their idealized feelings into their god (or Gods).
The Norse made their Gods warriors because they were a warrior culture for instance. The Norse God's struggle represents the Pagan's desire for conflict. Even their afterlife is a place of battle. The noble souls will join their Gods in the final battle of Ragnarock.
The Christian God is the idealized God of angry, vengful little jews (the apostles had just seen their cult leader killed, their cult was laughed at by their fellow jews, and their people had their ass kicked by Rome). Thus they create a vengful God to be the supreme judge. 
The whole end times is just the little jews desire for revenge. To see the mean Romans, the other Jews that laughed at them, and everyone that bullied them burn in a lake of fire. To go to a big hug box in a sky where no one would bully them and there is no pain and hang out with their cult leader.
It's sad really",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437718191
48500212,48508314,2015-07-24 06:12:35,">>48507639
>that link
Note that the largest section in Christian theology there is Late Antiquity. I recognize the influence of neoplatonism in Christian history and responded to it in the first section of my post here >>48507629
However, we must note that Christianity warped much of neoplatonism's ideas after St. Clement and the medieval scholastics eventually grew into aristotlean thought to the point of being known for it and it being the dominant western thought.
>VALUE JUDGMENTS of the cave, the world of forms,
The cave allegory is about education. It's only later taken as an ascension to the unconditioned.
>combined with the idea that God is distant in an unreal world and the chief goal of humans is to connect with this goodness:
God is not taken as distant and in an unreal world. God is everpresent and personal.
Neoplatonism would treat the material as a prison but Christianity treated the material as an expression of the good, thus interacting in it in partaking in the good.
>This is a value judgment AGAINST the earth. By elevating the unseen world and it's unseen God the real world and humans are lowered.
In what way? Scrapping the poor connection of Heaven to Plato's ""world of forms"", we can view the world however we wish but it is only elevated by the concept of the Christian God. This is a key change Christianity did to Neoplatonism. While Neoplatonism argued for focusing on the immaterial, Christianity became affirming of life and creation itself as playing a part in the divine life rather than being a prison to it. Creation is elevated as God is elevated, same with humanity. This concept was fairly lost during the Enlightenment though, but I attribute that to the Reformation's decentralization of Christian thought.",,WOLFSHIEM,if your metaphysics doesn&#039;t reflect divine providence in a woman&#039;s breasts to you then you&#039;re doing it wrong.jpg,/iYX0aQkrZBeyLIzKRlLIw==,US,,1437718355
48500212,48508778,2015-07-24 06:31:45,">>48508314
>The cave allegory is about education
And gnostism turned it into metaphysics, Gnostism is a huge influence on Christianity
""but that's Paganism we don't do that""
Catholicism is so deep into Paganism you do not even know what fucking day the Sabbath is, one of the 10 commandments and you fucking forgot it.
The religion also insisted on saying mary stayed a virgin all her life (despite having other children) all so that it would be compatible with fertility goddesses when they came to convert barbarians.
The pope wears a fucking FISH on his head from some Pagan God
>Neoplatonism would treat the material as a prison but Christianity treated the material as an expression of the good,
That's totally why Satan is the God of this world. For fuck sakes just look at how Jesus talks. All praise is given to the spirit, to the father, to the unseen. The real world 'the material' is only praised when it has some relationship to God or the divine
>Christianity became affirming of life
As your Jesus teaches life is only affirmed in it's relationship to the spirit things. In other words life is only affirmed if it is related to the land of the dead. This is death cult mentality.
You even said it your fucking self ""Creation is elevated as God is elevated, same with humanity""
The relationship with God is a relationship with the land of the dead, with the unreal world. A celebration of invisible, unknown, of a ideas that only the dead can truely experience
Christianity is obessed OBSESSED with death (you use other words). Spirit, heaven, God, all in the land of the dead. Even in the concepts of sin and forgiveness merely keys to the golden gates of your own little Hades.
This is not standard for religion. In Greek mythology they do not dwell on the dead most of the stories are hero adventures for a hero craving society.",,Anonymous,vatican138_01.jpg,4KR24JKY+STSUh3c2id1ew==,US,,1437719505
48500212,48508948,2015-07-24 06:38:17,">>48507821
>Nobody in Jesus' time worshipped Satan.
The damning of Satan is mentioned by Jesus directly, in reference to a past event.
>""yes the world is filled with bad things but through the grace of god we can resist them and be saved""
Not
at
all
I need to head out soon so I'm not sure if I can repeat myself again.
>>48507940
> argument from consistency
Does this mean ""contingency""?
>it rests on the proposition that conceivably, under different circumstances, the universe could not exist. 
Not sure where this is ever proposed. What is proposed is there logically needs to be something unconditioned as all nature is conditioned and requires things to actualize their innate potential. Then it begins to list attributes of this thing by virtue of it being unconditioned. Fairly basic but there is much more work done to make it more sound.
>The problem is the proposition that the universe could conceivably not exist. All of my what? It sounds feasible on its surface, but the universe itself may just necessarily exist.
The issue here is that no matter what it really is that does this, they must logically carry all the attributes explained, which narrows the possibilities of what it could be heavily. As matter is naturally having some potential to itself it simply cannot be matter. But the person fails to explain what they mean by ""the universe"" so we can't go into this further.",,WOLFSHIEM,Cute Christ-Chan Starter Pack.jpg,iZE+EW8ayfxR7Mc4ZwfzGA==,US,,1437719897
48540938,48540938,2015-07-24 20:25:48,"Discuss, ask questions, be polite. 
Today's thread question: What are your favorite lines from the Bible that show how ridiculous it is?",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437583759165.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1437769548
48540938,48541002,2015-07-24 20:26:52,">>48540938
>be polite
>Bible is ridiculous
Bait harder. I'd be interested in talking if you actually intended to keep things civil.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437769612
48540938,48541150,2015-07-24 20:29:40,">>48541002
The Bible is a book of ideas. You needn't be polite to ideas, just to your fellow man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437769780
48540938,48541187,2015-07-24 20:30:25,">>48540938
>asks people to be polite
>calls the Holy Bible ridiculous
fuck off back to reddit, degenerate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437769825
48540938,48541240,2015-07-24 20:31:26,">>48541187
Sorry, did we hurt your feelings? I heard reddit is a safe place for people like you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437769886
48540938,48541304,2015-07-24 20:32:45,">>48541150
Leave sophistry to the sophists. When you insult ideas you insult those who hold them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437769965
48540938,48541385,2015-07-24 20:34:10,">>48541304
Ridiculous isn't an insult if the description is accurate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770050
48540938,48541454,2015-07-24 20:35:28,">>48541385
ridiculous",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770128
48540938,48541540,2015-07-24 20:37:15,">>48540938
I honestly despise your threads. I'm an atheist, and because of people like you, the ""virgin fedora edgy neckbeard"" stereotype memes follow ME around, even though I'm smart enough to realize that Christians practicing their faith isn't hurting anybody.
If you have any intelligence within that brain of yours, you'll at least realize that these threads do more harm than good, and only perpetuate the stereotype memes. PEOPLE WILL NOT TURN TO ATHEISM IN DROVES. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. STOP TRYING.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437770235
48540938,48541591,2015-07-24 20:38:05,">>48541385
What is ridiculous? Compared to some scientific theories that support atheism, the Bible is pretty believable.
>the whole universe was nothing but then exploded for some reason creating us
>a being of greater power created us in his image to become his legion",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770285
48540938,48541630,2015-07-24 20:39:03,">>48540938
Atheism general? What is there to discuss? I might as well start a fucking thread about how I don't believe in leprechauns. Are you really so dull that you need to talk shit about other people's stupid beliefs? Out of all of your interests, not being religious is discussion-worthy to you? Being anti- anything is so fucking easy. Advocate an alternative, prove your fucking worth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770343
48540938,48541660,2015-07-24 20:40:00,"ATHEISTS RULE
CHRISTFAGS DROOL
WE'RE THE BEST
WE'RE THE BEST
WE'RE THE ATHEISTS
WE'LL FUCK YOUR WOMEN
WE'LL KISS THEIR BREASTS
WE'RE THE ATHEISTS
SUCK MY DICK I'M AN ATHEIST
YOU'VE SUCKED THE REST
NOW SUCK THE BEST
WE DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING
AND WE KNOW EVERYTHING
YOU'RE A BUNCH OF MONKEYS
AND WE'RE THE KING
WE'RE THE BEST WE'RE THE BEST
WE'RE THE ATHEIST",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770400
48540938,48541666,2015-07-24 20:40:07,">>48541591
Stop embarrassing yourself. The big bang supports a creator.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770407
48540938,48541691,2015-07-24 20:40:29,">>48541540
>I'm an atheist
Why do you feel the need to qualify your statements with this? 
>>48541591
>the whole universe was nothing
When was this, exactly?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770429
48540938,48541745,2015-07-24 20:41:28,>>48541666,,Anonymous,index.jpg,fNtkC8/bhURxDi6Y3Ke5Lg==,US,,1437770488
48540938,48541767,2015-07-24 20:41:53,">>48541630
>What is there to discuss?
A lot. Search Atheism General in the archives",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770513
48540938,48541846,2015-07-24 20:43:32,">>48540938
Revelation, chapter 12.
>3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
>4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
>7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels
>14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
I always get a kick out of it.",,Anonymous,1351059315490.jpg,v9UccjTfF0oWJNeB3A8KGw==,US,,1437770612
48540938,48541881,2015-07-24 20:44:04,">>48541846
How so?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770644
48540938,48541960,2015-07-24 20:45:25,">>48540938
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437770725
48540938,48541981,2015-07-24 20:45:59,">And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
>If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
>Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
I do not understand how people can take the Bible seriously. No modern Christian would ever endorse these passages, because they are clearly ridiculous. And if all the bible isn't good, why follow it at all?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770759
48540938,48542091,2015-07-24 20:48:17,">>48541881
""How so?"" as in ""How do I get a kick out of it?""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437770897
48540938,48542098,2015-07-24 20:48:38,">>48541960
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,MvurxBj6fhkdqu1/OV1HgA==,US,,1437770918
48540938,48542157,2015-07-24 20:49:46,">>48542098
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437770986
48540938,48542190,2015-07-24 20:50:25,">>48542157
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437771025
48540938,48542204,2015-07-24 20:50:43,">>48541846
These parts from the next chapter of Revelation are good too.
>1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
>2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771043
48540938,48542260,2015-07-24 20:51:38,">>48540938
Please keep making these threads. They're so incredibly entertaining.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437771098
48540938,48542293,2015-07-24 20:52:26,WHAT IS IT LIKE BELIEVING IN NOTHING?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771146
48540938,48542304,2015-07-24 20:52:43,">>48540938
atheist piece of shit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771163
48540938,48542343,2015-07-24 20:53:27,">>48542091
Yes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771207
48540938,48542378,2015-07-24 20:54:16,">>48540938
>Today's thread question: What are your favorite lines from the Bible that show how ridiculous it is?
It's gotta be Matthew 27:52-53
>The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many
A literal zombie invasion into a crowded city. And only one guy wrote about it in one book. Guess what book that was?",,Anonymous,zombie_horde_by_vegasmike-d4vx7sp.jpg,ikEM7QU3HY8LTamcOeev0Q==,US,,1437771256
48540938,48542414,2015-07-24 20:54:55,"Have a lovely thread, guys. I'm exhausted and I hope you enjoy yourselves. To atheists and theists here, remember to try to work together in the search of truth, not turn against each other for our differences and our sins.
>>48541981
No doubt, but it is understood in Christianity that the Mosaic Law are partly written for the people at the time and their flaws. This is what Jesus is getting at when he says things were written because ""their hearts were hard"". All three of those lines are relevant to that.
Night.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437771295
48540938,48542439,2015-07-24 20:55:39,">>48540938
What do you think about people that try to go pantheist, and say ""Everything is God"" or throw the hindu viewpoint your way? Once you leave the Big Three Abrahamic scenes the definition of God isn't as easy to pin down.
pic unrelated, I just know it gets attention and hope I get a reply",,Anonymous,yummer.jpg,zq/EN+9XEEVTNmZyqV5lfg==,CA,,1437771339
48540938,48542444,2015-07-24 20:55:47,">>48542378
>it's ridiculous because I'm going to make it out to be something similar to what is being said, but not actually what is being said
Hilarious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771347
48540938,48542543,2015-07-24 20:58:12,"Atheism general discussion
*Philosophy relevant to atheism: Nietzsche, Buddhism, Humanism, etc.
*Answering questions to people
*Our Fedorable mascot
*Christians demonstrating the wonderful virtue of tolerance Jesus talked about (see the Sermon on the Mount)
*Agnostic trolls",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771492
48540938,48542549,2015-07-24 20:58:20,">>48542343
I find the image of a multi-headed dragon, with crowns on, who is trying to eat a woman's baby amusing.
I also enjoy the wording of ""nourished for a time, and times, and half a time"".
The crowns are probably the best part for me. It's just so silly for a dragon to be wearing crowns.
I can't help by grin every time I think about it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771500
48540938,48542576,2015-07-24 20:58:55,">>48542439
I've never heard a pantheist argument. Usually they are just discussed as hypothalamically, so I wouldn't know how I would respond to them because I am not sure what they would say.
If all they said was they call the universe ""God"" then I would just say ""k"".
Beyond that, I have no idea",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771535
48540938,48542585,2015-07-24 20:59:15,">>48542414
Are you implying morality is relative?
Because if it is you can kiss the concept of sin good bye.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771555
48540938,48542602,2015-07-24 20:59:40,">>48542549
You have a strange sense of humor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771580
48540938,48542618,2015-07-24 20:59:53,"> implying fedora-chan isn't an anti-hygienic, unpleasant, urine-scented NEET",,Anonymous,image.jpg,9pPqWx7bXeAck7dl6M40MA==,US,,1437771593
48540938,48542652,2015-07-24 21:00:45,">>48542618
She's fedorable",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437771645
48540938,48542664,2015-07-24 21:01:07,">>48542585
No. Mosaic Law is not the law written on the hearts of the people, nor does it claim to be. 
I'm out though. I'm sure someone can pick up this discussion after me though.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437771667
48540938,48542668,2015-07-24 21:01:12,HOW DO WE SAVE ATHEISTS FROM ETERNAL DAMNATION?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771672
48540938,48542741,2015-07-24 21:02:39,">>48542576
I roomed with a hindu guy in uni and he believed in God, and that everything was God, all the good and bad and even our thoughts and thoughts of thoughts. He was an engineer and said he thought that white people were really far out when they tried to talk about god, and actually thought it was kind of ridiculous.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437771759
48540938,48542757,2015-07-24 21:03:06,">>48542585
Of course morality is relative; relative to *God*. What God says is moral *is* moral. If He changes His commands to us, then whatever are the current standing commands are moral law. NT brobrahbro.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437771786
48540938,48542764,2015-07-24 21:03:13,">>48542668
Prove God exists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437771793
48540938,48542795,2015-07-24 21:03:54,">>48542664
Here wolf, let me try:
God made a set of laws for Moses and his followers. These people had different morals and traditions so obviously the laws have to be different. Otherwise they are rejecting God and they should burn in hell forever.
By the time Jesus rolled around, people were much different. The law God imposed on people had to change to fit the new morals and culture of the people now. Otherwise they are rejecting God and deserve eternal torture.
So you see, the laws written on peoples' hearts never changed, just the ones imposed by God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437771834
48540938,48542936,2015-07-24 21:07:04,">>48542757
Doesn't this directly contradict that God is immutable, unchanging, and purely actual?",,Anonymous,1437746709958.jpg,BiLnl+npDYwtzuIF/XgM0Q==,US,,1437772024
48540938,48542986,2015-07-24 21:08:12,">>48542664
Mose's law derives it's authority from the same God. The leaders of the ancient Jewish sect would have claimed a direct connection to the God which in turn made their opinions divine.
Moses says ""my God says such and such"". Basically you obey God by obeying Moses.
The basis for all organized religion is a priesthood having authority from a deity. Obey the priesthood and you obey God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772092
48540938,48543083,2015-07-24 21:10:21,">>48542936
>>48542757
God is basically a tyrant and you can't accuse him of being wrong. Doing that is blasphemy and you a trip to hell.
Think about the moral of the Isaac story. God commands his follower to commit a senseless murder. God is always right, no matter what, blind and unquestioned obedience is the pious response.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772221
48540938,48543147,2015-07-24 21:11:41,">>48540938
Being Atheist is politically correct
Being a Christian is not
>>>
>/pol/ - Politically Incorrect",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437772301
48540938,48543178,2015-07-24 21:12:25,">>48542936
God wouldn't be omnipotent if God was static. Trying to attribute the quality of eternal static to an omnipotent subject is nonsensical.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437772345
48540938,48543195,2015-07-24 21:12:40,">>48543147
wrong",,Anonymous,pew.png,Hm9ZxEr7wVsneekSXxGXiQ==,US,,1437772360
48540938,48543210,2015-07-24 21:12:57,WHY ARE ATHEISTS SO UNHAPPY COMPARED TO CHRISTFAGS?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772377
48540938,48543214,2015-07-24 21:13:06,">>48541540
I agree that atheism will probably never be mainstream in our lifetimes, and the widespread movement to ""convert"" people to it is often distasteful. 
there is no harm however in discussing how parts of religion are ridiculous.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772386
48540938,48543225,2015-07-24 21:13:25,"My favorite quotes from teh bibel
Lord Krishna is explaining the defects due to the absence of happiness as referred to in this verse. Without being happy there is no possibility of concentration of the mind. Without concentration of the mind there can be no meditation and without meditation it is not possible to have inner awakening or soul-cognition. Therefore it has been declared that these things are not possible for one without concentration. Santih or peace refers also to liberation. Santi, moksa or liberation and nirvana all have a similar meaning denoting termination of the samsara or worldly existence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772405
48540938,48543375,2015-07-24 21:16:42,">>48543210
They're Atheists because they're unhappy. Atheist's life revolves around memorizing Dawkins' Youtube arguments, having 'intellectual debates' on the internet and upvoting Neil Tyson quotes.
Meanwhile religious people live their lives going to church, building their community having strong family bond, etc",,Anonymous,1433701887195.jpg,k/wIm+B0sS5HZdZuyKB+rg==,US,,1437772602
48540938,48543379,2015-07-24 21:16:45,">>48543210
I've never been happier since I dropped Catholicism and became an atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772605
48540938,48543414,2015-07-24 21:17:21,">>48540938
If you want insight into the mind of God read the tower of the bible.
The version you are taught is not what happens in the bible.
People build a big tower because they ""we may make a name for ourselves"".
It is a symbol of humanity working together to accomplish great things.
God see's this as bad.
His reason?
If humans are united
""then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.""
He destroys their tower and ruins their society.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11
It's more accurate to call him a demon than a god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772641
48540938,48543437,2015-07-24 21:17:48,">>48543375
>Meanwhile religious people live their lives...
... collecting images of fat people wearings hats and posting them on the Internet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772668
48540938,48543535,2015-07-24 21:19:33,">>48543414
Holy shit. This is actually really insightful. I've never thought about that story this way. Thanks anon",,Anonymous,FlamboyantUnderstatedGelada-poster.jpg,ZusAuuTQr32hxbSRCcu0Ig==,US,,1437772773
48540938,48543563,2015-07-24 21:20:04,">>48543379
Me too, I worry less.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772804
48540938,48543573,2015-07-24 21:20:18,">>48543375
>going to church, building their community 
Going to a building singing songs and practicing ritual cannibalism does not build a community. It's a boring thing Christians do because they think they are obligated to do so. Christians will even admit to each other that church is boring (the children and younger ones especially).
And no atheists do not memorize Dawkins. We watch anime all day. I can't believe you don't know this.
Pic related, every atheist on the planet is watching this.",,Anonymous,ab505f797a62001fb21398760d5d5ae01418855744_full.jpg,bz0aadNP4XC/SsTk0wXUOQ==,US,,1437772818
48540938,48543642,2015-07-24 21:21:35,"Matthew 25:41-46
Fun to read during all the threads about people on welfare.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437772895
48540938,48543753,2015-07-24 21:23:32,"One thing I've always wondered is why does god allow satan to influence humans? 
1. God doesn't choose to help humanity because supernatural intervention would go against us having unadulterated free will
2. Yet god allows satan, who is forever sealed in hell/gehenna/hades to come out of this world, despite burning and suffering in immense pain, and essentially rule over us supernaturally as shown by him being referred to as the 'god of this age'. Essentially god allows satan to treat us as cattle, despite being a Shepard.
The obvious way around this is just original sin, but why is this still used today?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437773012
48540938,48543764,2015-07-24 21:23:42,"a collection of world views, as told by pieces of plato's cave",,Anonymous,the-CAVE.jpg,xvAWB9HB6gEeeu8njduA4A==,US,,1437773022
48540938,48543889,2015-07-24 21:26:10,">>48542795
>>48542986
But did God actually change the ""adulteres and homos should be put to death"" and ""anyone who works on sunday should be put to death"" laws?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773170
48540938,48543906,2015-07-24 21:26:27,">>48540938
Why not the Koran?
That shit is magnitudes funnier",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773187
48540938,48543914,2015-07-24 21:26:32,">>48543764
That chart is stupid, stop saying nihilism is inherently unhealthy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773192
48540938,48543923,2015-07-24 21:26:40,">>48543642
>violently forcing other people to help the people I want to help is obviously what God wants us to do
>wait, you're telling me I should help them *myself?
>and encourage other people to do the same *without* pointing a gun at their head?
>what an intolerant, morally backwards bigot you are!
I find the connection with atheism and hyper-liberalism to be so goddamn funny.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437773200
48540938,48543937,2015-07-24 21:26:52,">>48543764
also this parallel",,Anonymous,1437443120625.png,ercI3gc2K6H8vpRXAsFL3w==,US,,1437773212
48540938,48543991,2015-07-24 21:27:56,">>48543195
then what happens if I refuse to bake a gay wedding cake?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437773276
48540938,48544015,2015-07-24 21:28:33,">>48543937
and that chart is even stupider. Its flaws have been pointed out over and over again. Plato came up with almost all the stuff it complains about, not Socrates. the allegory of the cave was clearly invented after Socrates was dead",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773313
48540938,48544030,2015-07-24 21:28:56,CAN ATHEISTS BELIEVE IN LOVE?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773336
48540938,48544046,2015-07-24 21:29:19,">>48544030
What is love?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437773359
48540938,48544080,2015-07-24 21:30:04,">>48544046
Baby don't hurt me",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437773404
48540938,48544131,2015-07-24 21:31:14,">>48542414
A theory on Wolfshiem's psychology.
In previous threads he was very aggresive, the best debator I've seen.
Now he acts submissive and calls for a more mellow tone.
That is because Wolfshiem is Catholic. If there is one thing Catholics hate is quoting the bible.
Other Christian denomations accuse Catholics of putting theologians, popal doctrine, and tradition above the written word of God. They are right in this regard.
The Catholic mindset is to debate by way of history, by way of theologians like Augustine. The bible means what the priests and theologians think it means, it should cannot be deciphered by reading it straight, you need Catholic dogma to understand it.
Catholics cannot debate direct bible quotes well and they may even not even know their own fucking book well.
A Protestant will defend any stupid bible verse. A Catholic is stumped. (exception the Genesis creation story. Every Catholic knows Saint Augustine's counter argument to it)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773474
48540938,48544183,2015-07-24 21:32:08,">>48543991
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/brint/almost_everything_you_heard_on_the_sweet_cakes_case_is_false",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773528
48540938,48544221,2015-07-24 21:32:58,"Leviticus 15:18
When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773578
48540938,48544344,2015-07-24 21:35:51,WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE AMAZING ATHEIST? HE'S THE MOST POPULAR ATHEIST ON THE INTERNET,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773751
48540938,48544355,2015-07-24 21:36:07,"Leviticus 18:6
No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 18:7
“‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
Actually that whole chapter is about sex.",,Anonymous,CJewFd6VEAA1RNm.png large.png,r14KAJCgN2Fs8Zygh0Xl0Q==,US,,1437773767
48540938,48544368,2015-07-24 21:36:18,">>48544131
As a former Catholic I disagree with you. Catholics do not look to the bible as the main source of authority, no early sect of Christianity did. The idea is a medieval one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773778
48540938,48544481,2015-07-24 21:38:40,">>48544131
>In previous threads he was very aggresive, the best debator I've seen.
>Now he acts submissive and calls for a more mellow tone.
He's become less confident because he is losing followers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773920
48540938,48544509,2015-07-24 21:39:19,">>48544131
>A Protestant will defend any stupid bible verse
I don't see how referring to old Jewish law as old Jewish law constitutes any sort of strong defense. It is what it is - it's kids like >>48544221 and such ilk that try to posterboard old Jewish law as what Christians are morally bound by. They'd rather strawmeme than talk about substance.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437773959
48540938,48544536,2015-07-24 21:39:51,">>48544368
That was my point. The bible is secondary to Theologians, Papal doctrine, and tradition.
The Pope can basically declare any bible verse invalid if he wants. For instance there is a verse that says you should never pray to the dead. The papacy encourages it's followers to pray to dead saints for one reason or another and they say the bible verse actually doesn't mean what it means.
Although I actually respect Catholics for them because the bible is a shitty book and Christians are better lead by the Papacy than by Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437773991
48540938,48544620,2015-07-24 21:41:56,">>48544509
Does Jesus ever explicitly say which laws he is abolishing? I know christians take some laws from the Old Testament, like the 10 commandments",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774116
48540938,48544647,2015-07-24 21:42:32,">>48544509
All the people throwing a shit about gay marriage quote lines in the same damn book. You can't pick and choose. Only those men in the early church needing to cut out other books get to decide that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774152
48540938,48544822,2015-07-24 21:46:10,">>48544481
If you give him a topic he is strong in debating he will act aggressive again. For instance if I were to debate him on the crusades I would get my ass kicked. Catholic strength in debates is in history and philosophy. Their weakness is in bible text.
As far as debaters go they are the strongest type of Christian.
>>48544509
Protestants believe a large part of the old testament is still relevant (for instance they love Sodom and Gomorrah, the 10 commandments etc). They also believe that the Jews are still in God's favor. The image of Jews as 'evil' violates their doctrine. So they will defend old Jewish law",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774370
48540938,48544825,2015-07-24 21:46:13,">>48544620
He's not explicit. But there are things He does and requests of us that blatantly contradict what the old Jewish law commands, and since He brought the new covenant, those things are obviously moot. They were moot far before Christ came actually, because so many of those laws they literally just made up themselves and weren't divinely inspired in the least.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437774373
48540938,48544853,2015-07-24 21:46:58,">>48544620
Most of that was hashed out during the early church when they debated whether non-jews could become Christians. It is doubtful whether Jesus would have approved.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774418
48540938,48544905,2015-07-24 21:48:20,">>48544647
Sodomy is an abomination unto God. That has never changed. But quoting Leviticus is the depth of retardation. I'm not defending stupid Christians who don't know what they're talking about.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437774500
48540938,48544976,2015-07-24 21:50:06,">>48544822
>For instance if I were to debate him on the crusades I would get my ass kicked.
Because you don't know shit about the crusades.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774606
48540938,48544981,2015-07-24 21:50:14,">>48544822
I'm Protestant and I'm not defending shit. Committing to doctrine is what fucked up Catholicism.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437774614
48540938,48545053,2015-07-24 21:52:00,">>48544620
It's actually amazing how LITTLE jesus talks. And when he does talk about things they are usually very minor. Jesus talked to farmers, Shepard, and peasants.
He did not talk to high priests, politicians or anyone with real power.
His teachings were absolutely not designed for what they are being used for today. It was a personal philosophy.
The idea of going to a village of peasants and talking about how mega-nations should have their laws is ABSURD. 
Consider Buddah who wrote VOLUMES about how his priests should live: what to eat, where to build temples, how to run things. He was a prince and scholars/advisors to kings would seek him out and ask for advice to relay back to their king.
Jesus said nothing about how to run his church (""Peter, you are a rock"" is literally the best he could come up with) and the most importaint person he talked to was Pilot...the judge at his trial.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774720
48540938,48545067,2015-07-24 21:52:12,">>48541691
>Why do you feel the need to qualify your statements with this?
Because it was relevant to the point he was making. Fedora tippers make the more respectful atheists look like shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774732
48540938,48545135,2015-07-24 21:53:53,"Romans 5:9-11
 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
GTFO christfags.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774833
48540938,48545154,2015-07-24 21:54:24,">>48545053
If you believe the Gospel John, Jesus gave long talks about philosophy and theology. 
the problem being it was written nearly a hundred years after he died",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774864
48540938,48545159,2015-07-24 21:54:33,">>48544976
Yeah so I'd never fucking debate him that. You need to debate in your strength and your enemies weakness.
Besides most of what Christians say about the crusades is true. It was a life or death battle. They did do a whole bunch of stupid crap (kill other Christians, murder Jews for the lulz, rape, etc) but the basic goal of the crusades was noble. It's the details where they embarrass them-self.
>>48544981
You would be amazed what other Protestants do. Some literally believe every word of the bible is literal and totally relevant to today",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437774873
48540938,48545341,2015-07-24 21:58:58,">>48545159
I'm well aware of just how many Christians are idiots. They literally make atheists out of other overly impressionable people with their stupidity and complete lack of critical thinking skill and tact.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437775138
48540938,48545467,2015-07-24 22:02:43,">>48545159
Then that says less of what Wolf is good at and more of what you aren't good at. If you learned about it I bet you could kick his ass",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437775363
48540938,48545469,2015-07-24 22:02:45,">>48545341
Unless you are part of a Christian sect that uses cult indoctrination techniques. You face a loose loose situation with how to put faith in your children.
If you are strict and try to say that all the teachings are divine you will expose the religion as being silly and raise an a bitter atheist
If you are lapsed than your religion starts to wane. Doctrine's lose their holliness. You raise a Christian-lite and the religion's power weakens a little more. If the trend continues the Christian Lite will raise his children even less strict until he isn't even raising Christians at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437775365
48540938,48545530,2015-07-24 22:04:18,">>48545467
I brought up the crusades because it's something I would never even choose to debate him in. As i said before the Crusades were justified, they could have been done more humane and less incompetently but they were justified none the less.
I'm not going to fucking tell him my weaknesses.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437775458
48540938,48545664,2015-07-24 22:07:36,">>48545469
>If you are lapsed than your religion starts to wane
What does ""lapsed"" mean? You think if I don't teach my kid to be a dogmatic unintelligent asshole that they aren't going to be strong Christians? I'm not most skeptical critical person you can imagine and I have very little doubt my belief in God is stronger than any of those miracle-hip-replacement looney liars.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437775656
48540938,48545690,2015-07-24 22:08:09,">>48545664
I'm the*",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437775689
48540938,48546235,2015-07-24 22:21:20,">>48545053
>It's actually amazing how LITTLE jesus talks
Writing believable lines for a fictional character is hard :^)",,Anonymous,franco.jpg,LCcKHPVvlCPMNrO2tjtLtg==,US,,1437776480
48540938,48546360,2015-07-24 22:23:58,">>48545690
>>48545664
Christianity as a religion depends on the presence of God and the spirit world. Less miracles, less unscientific things, make God more distant. The lapsed Christian thinks God only made the big bang and the original life while the fuller Christian will think he literally cures cancer and helps them find their car keys.
It's a step further away from Christianity as religion and just towards cultural Christianity.
Those things too will fade away though. Christian art cannot compete with video games and movies. 
Morally Christianity is not very relevant (unless you are a SJW) so that will fade away too.
When you read about the things Christians used to believe and think you realize the religion has been fading for centuries.
Do you know any Christians that would tell you ""pity"" is the supreme virtue of the religion? Nietzsche went on for a full page about how it's a terrible thing to make your chief virtue, but apparently that's how all Christians thought in 18th century Germany.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437776638
48540938,48546415,2015-07-24 22:25:19,">>48546360
>It's a step further away from Christianity as religion and just towards cultural Christianity.
>Those things too will fade away though. Christian art cannot compete with video games and movies.
What does this even mean?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437776719
48540938,48546473,2015-07-24 22:26:26,">>48546415
>>48546360
Take this amazing music video made by creationists, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437776786
48540938,48546693,2015-07-24 22:31:34,">>48546360
>Christianity as a religion depends on the presence of God and the spirit world
I'd argue the sensory world itself does. 
>Less miracles, less unscientific things, make God more distant
Only for irrational idiots.
Christianity is the backbone of Western morality. Virtually every moral norm we regard as virtuous - mercy, humbleness, modesty, compassion, forgiveness - come right out of Christianity and from nowhere else. The Romans and Greeks thought of all those as *vices*. Which is funny since you bring up Nietzsche, since he glorified pre-socratic Greek virtues while fighting a completely worthless and failed battle against the nihilistic conclusion of his own ""ethos"".",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437777094
48540938,48546734,2015-07-24 22:32:34,">>48545341
every sub group of people have their fair share of idiots Christians/atheist/political movements there are no exception.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777154
48540938,48546790,2015-07-24 22:34:01,"I'm thinking of changing the recommended viewing section of the general. Anyone got any suggestions on things to add (or take out, please state why).",,Anonymous,1406283699325.jpg,tLnjdMnZoEpdAR7N1Hibrg==,US,,1437777241
48540938,48546877,2015-07-24 22:36:08,">>48546734
It has very little to do with subgroups. It's simply a matter of people at large. Most people *period* are live-in-the-moment thoughtless idiots.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437777368
48540938,48546931,2015-07-24 22:37:12,">>48546415
The idea that you can maintain Christianity by their great art-works. It doesn't work. Christianity is no longer a central theme for artwork because more inspiring things have come around. Look at the amount of Christian art we had in the 16th century half the fucking art was Christian, than look at 20th centuary way less Christian but biblical epic movies did pull big cash. The movie going public is literally more excited for Thor than Jesus (big victory of neo-pagans lol)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777432
48540938,48546946,2015-07-24 22:37:37,">>48546790
http://www.amazon.com/Banana-Fate-Fruit-Changed-World/dp/0452290082
Hehe.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437777457
48540938,48547012,2015-07-24 22:39:05,">>48546946
that's a book...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777545
48540938,48547032,2015-07-24 22:39:36,">>48546693
If you like mercy, humbleness, modesty, compassion, and forgiveness I suggest you move to Sweden. They feed and house the poor, forgive them for their crimes, are humble enough to not offend other's with their flag.
These are Christian values.
It is exactly the thing Nietzsche was fighting against.
You can say you are a Christian and that we should show no mercy to our enemies, be proud, be unmodest, and not forgive.
That's how you make a strong society. But you will only be Christian in name. You will really be following virtue's praised by a man who was literally nick-named ""anti-christ""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777576
48540938,48547064,2015-07-24 22:40:11,">>48547012
Bananas are actually a big deal mang. We import sooooo many of them.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437777611
48540938,48547147,2015-07-24 22:42:35,">>48547032
If you like mercy, humbleness, modesty, compassion, and forgiveness I suggest you move to Sweden
Nah, I'd rather support those virtues here in the U.S., since they're what make Americans a good and moral people.
>You can say you are a Christian and that we should show no mercy to our enemies, be proud, be unmodest, and not forgive.
Yeah. You can *say* that. Nothin' stopping you. I wouldn't want to be such a person on judgement day though.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437777755
48540938,48547179,2015-07-24 22:43:22,">>48546931
The thing is that Jesus gets the historical treatment, and the pagans get the fictional one. When people see Thor fighting aliens with the Hulk, that isn't a win for neo-pagans. That is a win for Marvel.
Now look at movies about Jesus. They all treat it as a serious, historical subject matter. Passion of the Christ is even all in Hebrew. You can't make fun of it like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer. 
Christianity has moved away from art, and towards other media. Mainly websites, songs, youtube videos, and memes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777802
48540938,48547182,2015-07-24 22:43:28,">>48540938
just because one is an atheist does not mean that one must target religion and convince other people that religion is false.
atheism simply means that one does not believe in a god or gods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777808
48540938,48547194,2015-07-24 22:43:46,">>48543414
>I know more than God
sure",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777826
48540938,48547264,2015-07-24 22:45:26,The 600.000 jewish reference in it.thats why the old kike testament is like modern jews. liars and crooks.,,Anonymous,holocaust.jpg,w1CsD5QEVYadNyk0noyp1Q==,SE,,1437777926
48540938,48547283,2015-07-24 22:45:55,">>48547194
The only reason you said that without refuting any actual points made is because you secretly agree with what he said.
>>48547182
True, but there are good reasons to. For example, religion has become very entrenched in US politics: 
a) ""In God We Trust"" was printed on the money being in the 1950's. This motto would not pass the lemon test (government shall not promote any religion).
b) Although it shouldn't be anybody's business, politicians' religious beliefs are put in the spot light. For example, many claimed Obama is a Muslim and didn't want to vote for him because of that. Romney is a Mormon. The last Australian PM is atheist.
c) People are trying to throw out science and teach religion in our public schools. Religion has no place in these schools to brainwash our children. School is for learning and evolution is fact, not creationism or ID.
d) During holidays, there are posted signs of ""keep Christ in Christmas"" on public/government property. Besides being inaccurate, this will not pass the lemon test.
e) Politicians and others are using their religion as bases for laws such as gay marriage and abortion. No religion should be forced on everybody (freedom of religion).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777955
48540938,48547286,2015-07-24 22:45:57,">>48546877
can't argue with that. well I could but i'd be wrong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437777957
48540938,48547319,2015-07-24 22:46:33,">>48547032
Nietzsche was fighting against them in the way that christ fought the law of moses.
>mfw thats correct
>mfw divine inspiration provides genius",,Anonymous,1436317954499.jpg,9RGG8Fc0SCnoygfLiDC7vg==,US,,1437777993
48540938,48547372,2015-07-24 22:47:45,">>48540938
> white knight meme
The only place I see the mangina ""tipping his fedora to m'lady"" used as an ""atheism"" meme is on /pol/, where no one realizes how fucking retarded that makes them look.
> male feminist meme doesn't even refer to anything atheism related
> no notices it makes no sense",,Anonymous,male_feminist.jpg,wBhUFzwSFlUV5r8LWX8bLw==,US,,1437778065
48540938,48547374,2015-07-24 22:47:49,">>48547064
it is true. the fruit corporations have bought and sold entire nations over bananas. hence the term banana republic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778069
48540938,48547395,2015-07-24 22:48:14,">>48547182
Well, it doesn't MEAN one must target religion and convince other people that religion is false but you SHOULD.
Religion affects everything.
If someone wants to believe in sky daddies, they can do it but they should do it alone in a cave or something.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437778094
48540938,48547407,2015-07-24 22:48:29,">>48547179
Was Life of Brian about Jesus? It was *kind of* I think. I wouldn't say it was particularly reverent. That being said, having the argument over media culture is irrelevant to where the truth values exist. The whole world but one person could believe in the flying spaghetti monster while one guy believed in God - popularity means absolutely nothing.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437778109
48540938,48547423,2015-07-24 22:48:53,">>48547179
People vote with their dollars.
Thor pulls way more cash than Jesus.
And if Thor is a comic book character and Jesus is real.
What's that say if a fake God is more inspiring than a real God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778133
48540938,48547471,2015-07-24 22:50:16,">>48547407
>Was Life of Brian about Jesus?
No, it was about Brian. And that came out in 1979. Way to not make a point.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778216
48540938,48547508,2015-07-24 22:51:08,">>48547471
>No, it was about Brian
Hahaha, oh. That made me laugh.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437778268
48540938,48547519,2015-07-24 22:51:33,">>48547423
>Thor pulls way more cash than Jesus.
Doubt it",,Anonymous,pope.jpg,mDCYuzRCgH365EQjQEqxvQ==,US,,1437778293
48540938,48547522,2015-07-24 22:51:38,">>48547395
I'm happy with freedom of religion as long as it comes with separation of church and state. I believe in the divine but I don't want any laws pasted that are based only on religious beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778298
48540938,48547665,2015-07-24 22:55:02,">>48547522
>I believe in the divine but I don't want any laws pasted that are based only on religious beliefs.
But that's exactly what happens in the US...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778502
48540938,48547849,2015-07-24 23:00:09,">>48541660
And this is why people don't take atheists seriously.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778809
48540938,48547955,2015-07-24 23:02:57,"1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.
3. The universe exists.
4. Therefore, the universe has an explanation of its existence (from 1, 3).
5. Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God (from 2, 4).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437778977
48540938,48548014,2015-07-24 23:04:24,">>48547519
>implying we need to feed more niglets so that they can grow up to produce nothing but more niglets",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779064
48540938,48548046,2015-07-24 23:05:06,">>48542439
To be fair you could argue that Christians are pantheist. Part of Christian doctrine is that God is omnipresent, so by my understanding of pantheism (everything is a part od God) if someone said I was a pantheist I wouldn't object.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779106
48540938,48548079,2015-07-24 23:06:11,">>48547955
>2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.",,Anonymous,mfw out of weed.gif,FSys0nIir0pFucO475jGXA==,US,,1437779171
48540938,48548103,2015-07-24 23:06:52,">>48548079
A. If atheism is true, the universe has no explanation of its existence.
Since, on atheism, the universe is the ultimate reality, it just exists as a brute fact. But that is logically equivalent to saying this:
B. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, then atheism is not true.
So you can’t affirm (A) and deny (B). But (B) is virtually synonymous with premise 2! (Just compare them.) So by saying that, given atheism, the universe has no explanation, the atheist is implicitly admitting premise 2: if the universe does have an explanation, then God exists.
Besides that, premise 2 is very plausible in its own right. For think of what the universe is: all of space-time reality, including all matter and energy. It follows that if the universe has a cause of its existence, that cause must be a non-physical, immaterial being beyond space and time. Now there are only two sorts of things that could fit that description: either an abstract object like a number or else an unembodied mind. But abstract objects can’t cause anything. That’s part of what it means to be abstract. The number seven, for example, can’t cause any effects. So if there is a cause of the universe, it must be a transcendent, unembodied Mind, which is what Christians understand God to be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779212
48540938,48548181,2015-07-24 23:09:09,">>48547665
and I disagree with it and don't vote for people who want to pass religious laws but we all know how little a vote means in the US political system. I think in time the religious right will burn out and the nation can move forward but that probably just blind hope.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779349
48540938,48548192,2015-07-24 23:09:29,">>48548103
>A. If atheism is true, the universe has no explanation of its existence
This isn't a good premise. The lack of God does not necessitate a lack of explanation for reality as a truth value. There could be an explanation you just don't know of.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437779369
48540938,48548257,2015-07-24 23:11:12,">>48548181
Exactly! Individual votes don't matter that much. Society as a whole has to change, and what better way than spreading secularism far and wide!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779472
48540938,48548307,2015-07-24 23:12:53,">>48548192
Did you even read the rest of my post? Of course you didn't, atheists can't read",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779573
48540938,48548366,2015-07-24 23:14:19,">>48548307
I'm a Christian. Your premise A is simply bad. It doesn't work.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437779659
48540938,48548384,2015-07-24 23:15:04,Anyone interested in coloring this?,,Anonymous,1437719051053.jpg,2hWOK1cgsj3hlWlfr7U9+g==,US,,1437779704
48540938,48548407,2015-07-24 23:15:32,">>48547955
>1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
Is this necessarily true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779732
48540938,48548417,2015-07-24 23:15:52,">>48548366
For think of what the universe is: all of space-time reality, including all matter and energy. It follows that if the universe has a cause of its existence, that cause must be a non-physical, immaterial being beyond space and time. Now there are only two sorts of things that could fit that description: either an abstract object like a number or else an unembodied mind. But abstract objects can’t cause anything. That’s part of what it means to be abstract. The number seven, for example, can’t cause any effects. So if there is a cause of the universe, it must be a transcendent, unembodied Mind, which is what Christians understand God to be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779752
48540938,48548466,2015-07-24 23:17:33,"I found atheism when I was 12 and its still kinda funny how so many people still havent been able to overcome this intellectual roadblack.
You dont even need to rebel against anything. You just need to have a brain that is capable of storing enough memories and also being able to process them.
finding inconsistencies is easy then.
I guess most people dont really have a functioning brain then.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437779853
48540938,48548510,2015-07-24 23:18:50,">>48548407
There are two kinds of things: things which exist necessarily and things which are produced by some external cause. Let me explain.
Things that exist necessarily exist by a necessity of their own nature. It’s impossible for them not to exist. Many mathematicians think that numbers, sets, and other mathematical entities exist in this way. They’re not caused to exist by something else; they just exist necessarily.
By contrast, things that are caused to exist by something else don’t exist necessarily. They exist contingently. They exist because something else has produced them. Familiar physical objects like people, planets, and galaxies belong in this category.
So premise 1 asserts that everything that exists can be explained in one of these two ways. This claim, when you reflect on it, seems very plausibly true. Imagine that you’re hiking through the woods and come across a translucent ball lying on the forest floor. You’d naturally wonder how it came to be there. If one of your hiking partners said to you, “Don’t worry about it! There isn’t any explanation of its existence!”, you’d either think he was crazy or figure that he just wanted you to keep moving. No one would take seriously the suggestion that the ball existed there with literally no explanation.
Now suppose you increase the size of the ball in this story to the size of a car. That wouldn’t do anything to satisfy or remove the demand for an explanation. Suppose it were the size of a house. Same problem. Suppose it were the size of a continent or a planet. Same problem. Suppose it were the size of the entire universe. Same problem. Merely increasing the size of the ball does nothing to affect the need of an explanation. Since any object could be substituted for the ball in this story, that gives grounds for thinking premise 1 to be true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437779930
48540938,48548577,2015-07-24 23:20:51,">>48548417
>It follows that if the universe has a cause of its existence, that cause must be a non-physical
No it doesn't. The physical could just be eternal. It could be its own first mover, just like we think of God. This is babby ontology dude.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437780051
48540938,48548578,2015-07-24 23:20:53,does fedora anime girl have an A on her shirt because people couldn't tell she's supposed to be an atheist or is she an adulterer?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780053
48540938,48548614,2015-07-24 23:21:45,">>48548257
I'm all for a secular government and culture my only worry is it being taken to far to the point that religion is persecuted. I know that is a slippery slope fallacy yet I can see it possibly happening. The pendulum swings both ways.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780105
48540938,48548658,2015-07-24 23:23:22,">>48548578
Why not both?
Also, it's an atheist 'A'",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780202
48540938,48548666,2015-07-24 23:23:29,">>48540938
OH MY FUCKING HAHAHAJGSA",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780209
48540938,48548696,2015-07-24 23:24:24,">>48548577
>The physical could just be eternal
We already know it isn't. It's 16 billion years old",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780264
48540938,48548713,2015-07-24 23:24:51,">>48548658
Atheists need a symbol? Or is it only something retards do and you guys are making fun of them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780291
48540938,48548746,2015-07-24 23:25:52,">>48548696
No we don't. Secret powers of bread. Problem of induction. We don't *know* shit.
MECHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUME",,Praceteom,MECHA-HUME.jpg,9cI8ojA4nHpfuS8rgFEjcw==,US,,1437780352
48540938,48548846,2015-07-24 23:28:44,">>48548746
What the fuck are you even saying now, you dumb fucking fedora tipper",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780524
48540938,48548873,2015-07-24 23:29:29,">>48548713
The 'A' stands for atheism. It's not really a symbol.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780569
48540938,48548886,2015-07-24 23:29:50,">>48540938
Dude OP I don't know if you're being serious or trolling with these threads. I've been an atheist for over ten years. It's not all about sitting around picking apart the theists bullshit. 
I think you have a young and shallow view of atheism if you're being serious. One that happens to look exactly like the stereotype /pol/ wants to force. Which is why I don't want to participate in your threads (inb4 you dumb fucks say this one post is participating) so I make this one post to try and get you to stop making these counter-productive threads. 
>>48541540
This too. Leave the guilt-by-association stereotypes to the Christcucks please OP. 
I don't talk about atheism on /pol/ too because it's fucking useless. ""ATHEISM IS DAWKINS BANANA FEDORA!"" is a fucking meme and you can't challenge a meme here, you can never be sure the fucker posting it is even serious. 
/pol/ will pretend to be Christian because that's the meme routine too. There is no fighting it. You have to wait until the people who they are trying to piss off change their minds. 
If you want to make /pol/ friendly to atheists, make reddit more of a Christian website.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780590
48540938,48548893,2015-07-24 23:29:59,">>48548510
Ah I see. So you could argue that either the universe exists because it has to exist, or because something created it.
>>48548103
How would atheism being true preclude the universe's existence being explained by the necessity of its own nature?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780599
48540938,48548910,2015-07-24 23:30:18,">>48548658
>>48548713
I don't like the symbol myself, it's getting a little too close to atheism+ nonsence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780618
48540938,48548940,2015-07-24 23:31:07,">>48548873
A is for apples, everyone knows this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780667
48540938,48548970,2015-07-24 23:32:00,">>48548746
Unless you have proof otherwise the science says the universe is a couple billion years old.
You need evidence for your statement.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780720
48540938,48548971,2015-07-24 23:32:01,">>48548910
Lol, I can't think of a more neutral symbol than an initial.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780721
48540938,48549026,2015-07-24 23:33:22,">>48548886
>I don't talk about atheism on /pol/ too because it's fucking useless. ""ATHEISM IS DAWKINS BANANA FEDORA!"" is a fucking meme and you can't challenge a meme here
Oh, ye of little faith...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780802
48540938,48549080,2015-07-24 23:34:56,">>48548971
Nothing?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780896
48540938,48549107,2015-07-24 23:35:46,">>48548893
See >>48548417 and see how dumb you are",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437780946
48540938,48549258,2015-07-24 23:39:26,">>48549080
I'd be fine with either. An 'A' make it more explicit though, which is important when making a character to represent an idea.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437781166
48540938,48549387,2015-07-24 23:43:07,Step up niggas,,Anonymous,1436766115657.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,US,,1437781387
48540938,48549411,2015-07-24 23:43:40,">>48548970
Nothing counts as evidence, because proof by induction isn't proof of anything at all. Enjoy your reduction to methodological solipsism, you completely incoherent physicalist. Happy face.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437781420
48540938,48549427,2015-07-24 23:44:02,">>48548846
You'd know if you'd taken more than philosophy 101 you dumb cunt.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437781442
48540938,48549471,2015-07-24 23:45:25,"If God created the universe, then the universe exists. 
Therefore :
If the universe doesn't exist, then God didn't create it. 
But the universe does exist! Praise God for logic, the atheists downfall",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437781525
48540938,48549501,2015-07-24 23:46:16,">>48543437
>... collecting images of fat people wearings hats and posting them on the Internet.
They are called Atheists: your fellow euphoric and enlighted brethren",,Anonymous,1437879679135.jpg,TmOdf9S5bx9C1r2w99gO3g==,US,,1437781576
48540938,48549578,2015-07-24 23:48:18,"ITT: juden shills getting rekt by fedoras
life is good",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437781698
48540938,48549611,2015-07-24 23:49:14,">>48549501
You should be embarrassed that that those euphoric lumps of autism can use their brain and you can't.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1437781754
48540938,48549686,2015-07-24 23:50:58,">>48549411
>Nothing counts as evidence, because proof by induction isn't proof of anything at all. Enjoy your reduction to methodological solipsism, you completely incoherent physicalist. Happy face.
If there is no way, even in theory, to tell that this world is not what it seems, then it is meaningless to claim that this world is not what it seems. For if no experience of any kind can in any way be had, even in theory, except an experience this world, then, by definition, no other experience exist --- there is no other world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437781858
48540938,48549720,2015-07-24 23:51:48,">>48549686
>If there is no way, even in theory, to tell that this world is not what it seems
There is also no way to tell that it *is* the way it seems. Sucks to be us doesn't it?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437781908
48540938,48549726,2015-07-24 23:52:01,>mfw atheists literally believe consciousness came from rocks,,Anonymous,at.jpg,xslP4QgpvmrH77RJI5iXeA==,US,,1437781921
48540938,48549814,2015-07-24 23:54:26,">>48549726
>mfw Christians believe that Some nigga called Moses made a bridge in the middle of the fucking red sea
i feel bad for you lads",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437782066
48540938,48549845,2015-07-24 23:55:05,">>48549720
No shit, all of our experiences could be fed to us by a cartesian demon. I just explained why it is meaningless to bring this up",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437782105
48540938,48549914,2015-07-24 23:56:41,">>48549845
Your point makes your argument *just* as meaningless. Your requisite of ""proof"" doesn't necessarily mean anything at all. There is absolutely no way for you to establish any kind of truth value via induction.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437782201
48540938,48550027,2015-07-24 23:59:26,">>48549814
God using Moses but good attempt at dodging the original point. Where does your consciousness arise from? Or do you believe you have none, that every choice you have ever made has been a product of chemical reactions within the brain. You have no mind and you can know no certain truths about anything. Where did you get your consciousness?",,Anonymous,1370067172827.jpg,L5SkuGvjk4FZvH2+gI8a1A==,US,,1437782366
48540938,48550098,2015-07-25 00:01:17,">>48549914
This is not a misfortune so much as an inevitability. It could never be any other way. Even a God could have a carestian demon tricking him into thinking he was omnipotent. 
It is therefore irrational to demand certainty for any of our knowledge. Not even a god could have that! What is rational is to assign degrees of conviction to degrees of certainty established by a tried-and-tested method. What is rational is _reasonable_ certainty, not absolute certainty.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437782477
48540938,48550158,2015-07-25 00:02:55,">>48550027
>Where does your consciousness arise from?
Your brain. 
Flood the brain with drugs/chemicals and your consciousness changes. 
Destroy the brain and consciousness is destroyed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437782575
48540938,48550338,2015-07-25 00:07:22,">>48550098
But what you *ask* is certainty. You ask for *proof* under the impression that such is some kind of unique truth value, when it doesn't mean necessarily mean anything at all. Nothing is certain, and nothing is such that you can logically call something reasonably certain. You can't make any judgements at all in regard to physical objects and their properties, because you don't know them.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437782842
48540938,48550361,2015-07-25 00:07:50,">>48550158
the point of mind and consciousness is that they are immaterial. You believe in the immaterial yet dismiss the entire concept of God or spirits. 
and you say the brain. You have no control over your actions. Only the chemicals released to your brain control what you do. You have no free will and no choice on your worldview. And hence no purpose or reason to live. Once you die and your brain rots your ""consciousness"" will cease and nothing you have ever done will ever matter. You will be forgotten. You are a product of chemicals and nothing more. No greater than the slug crawling around in the dirt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437782870
48540938,48550522,2015-07-25 00:11:24,">>48550338
>you can't be certain
>therefore you can't have reasonable certainty 
Yikes... what was your grade in phil class?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437783084
48540938,48550670,2015-07-25 00:15:01,">>48550522
You can't have reasonable certainty in anything because of the secret power of bread. What you have is faith that the world is what you think it is. There's nothing reasonable or unreasonable about it - it's the only thing you can do.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437783301
48540938,48550720,2015-07-25 00:16:44,">>48540938
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
So many to choose from.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437783404
48540938,48550800,2015-07-25 00:18:41,,,Anonymous,some of my evidence.jpg,55ewWIbSJ6rjsXajpbwbdg==,US,,1437783521
48540938,48550806,2015-07-25 00:18:51,"Only the based Marcionists are the true Christians by tossing out all the Jewish influences from the Bible canon 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism
When you read the Old Testament, you're reading Heeb scripture. Enjoy your closet Judaism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437783531
48540938,48551113,2015-07-25 00:26:37,">>48550720
Why is are these ""contradictions"" so piss poor all the time? Son being used in the context of grandson has gone back all the way to Genesis. It is likely that Berechiah died young and could not become a priest so Zechariah stepped up. Literally none of the contradictions listed jeopardize salvation.",,Anonymous,zechariah.jpg,F3W/L3sLS3wOHfg+moYrdA==,US,,1437783997
48540938,48551193,2015-07-25 00:28:31,">>48550670
In the absence of ALL certainty (certainty of ANY degree that a proposition is true or false) there is an absence of knowledge (of whether that proposition is true or false), and in such a state one can only assert, at best, that the uninterpreted claims exist, not that the refer to anything true.
That's agnosticism, it entrails an absence of beliefs in what is unknown. Unless we still assert belief on on pure faith alone. However, belief on faith alone is wholly arbitrary and thus does nothing to ensure that you are more correct than anyone else. 
In contrast, the more JUSTIFIABLY certain you are that a proposition is true, the more likely it is that you genuinely know it is true. So we can say that real knowledge statistically exists among our beliefs in proposition to how accurately those beliefs were formed.
It is reasonable to predict that an accurate method, a method that leads significantly more often than not to the discovery of genuinely true and false proposition, will exhibit two particular features, which an inaccurate method will not exhibit: predictive success and convergent accumulation of consistent results. We can even expect that a more accurate method will exhibit these feature more often than a less accurate one. And this is how we can test out different methods and choose the best form among the, and throw away the ones we don't need.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784111
48540938,48551269,2015-07-25 00:30:26,">>48551113
""Bible contradiction"" websites often go out of their way in trying to find issue with the texts without attempting to grasp the authorship, history, form, and genres of the text they work with. They're largely dismissable.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437784226
48540938,48551308,2015-07-25 00:31:35,">>48551269
This one is bretty gud http://errancy.org/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784295
48540938,48551376,2015-07-25 00:33:32,">>48543414
Which explains why the god of the krischuns is the same god of the jews. 
""Inside every Christian is a jew."" --Poop Francis",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784412
48540938,48551401,2015-07-25 00:34:07,">>48551193
>In contrast, the more JUSTIFIABLY certain you are that a proposition is true, the more likely it is that you genuinely know it is true
Except you can't be logically justified that anything learned via induction is true, and are utterly incapable of ascribing *any* probability values to them.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437784447
48540938,48551424,2015-07-25 00:34:48,">>48551269
>>48551308
and dont forgot the most important part, the fact that they use modern translations and not the KJV alone",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784488
48540938,48551467,2015-07-25 00:35:48,">>48551424
>KJV alone
Anon, don't be stupid.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437784548
48540938,48551494,2015-07-25 00:36:33,">>48551401
It's like you didn't even read my last paragraph",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784593
48540938,48551496,2015-07-25 00:36:34,">>48551113
Pick one and done. 
Out of thousands. 
TCB.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784594
48540938,48551507,2015-07-25 00:36:58,">>48549387
the arguement by the Christian is just a bunch of metaphysics nonsense. The guy who debunked your theologian used real scientific examples.
The counter arguement just redefines made up metaphysics.
This is why you do not let Christians bring metaphysics into the argument because they can literally always redefine them at will whenever they are exposed. They (in more eloquent terms) basically say God can do literally anything he wants so he could never ever be contradicted. ie he can make 2+2=5.
When debating theists keep the discussion in the real world with real things. Once you enter pretend land they can always just invent a new rule.
The only reason Christians do not outright say that God is capable of doing illogical or contradicting things while still remaining logical (a supremely powerful being could do this) is because they don't have the balls.
>>48549720
There is no way to tell that Demiurge isn't real and he didn't invent the concept of Christianity to lead you away from the Goddess Sophia.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784618
48540938,48551608,2015-07-25 00:39:40,">>48551496
I just went through Matthew and John and the contradictions listed are laughable. The lack of theological understanding or any interest in context is astounding. Half of those annotations would exist except for the author highlighting and putting the laughing clip art next to any time a miracle is said to have occurred, any time a prophecy is given, and pretty much anytime Jesus opens his mouth. Can't say I expected more from fedora tippers though.",,Anonymous,atheist takes picture of dog.jpg,09YCCEauJmKRsSi/Ajm5XQ==,US,,1437784780
48540938,48551626,2015-07-25 00:40:09,">>48551467
New World Order Bible Versions (Full Movie) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784809
48540938,48551651,2015-07-25 00:41:00,">>48551608
*wouldn't exist
>>48551507
or that it's not logical. we cannot conceive a one ended stick even in our minds.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437784860
48540938,48551689,2015-07-25 00:41:53,">>48551494
You have no means of saying anything is accurate. You can't have an ""accurate method"" if you can't determine anything as *BEING* accurate or not. The Vienna Circle was full of ideologues.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437784913
48540938,48551711,2015-07-25 00:42:36,idk the part where God said 'thou shalt not have sex with a fedorafag' and Moses said 'lol no need bro theyre all fat neckbeard columbine kids you have nothing to worry about' was pretty realistic to me,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437784956
48540938,48551718,2015-07-25 00:42:46,Why are atheists so smug about their atheism?,,Anonymous,,,KR,,1437784966
48540938,48551738,2015-07-25 00:43:16,">>48551507
>metaphysics nonsense
Anon, what.
>The guy who debunked your theologian used real scientific examples.
He used empirical premises but his argument was purely deductive reasoning based on those premises. Aquinas' argument is doing literally the same thing.
>The counter arguement just redefines made up metaphysics.
Rather, the original criticism failed to understand what he was talking about and he was corrected.
>This is why you do not let Christians bring metaphysics into the argument because they can literally always redefine them at will whenever they are exposed
The terms are academically defined.
>They (in more eloquent terms) basically say God can do literally anything he wants so he could never ever be contradicted. ie he can make 2+2=5.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1025.htm#article3",,WOLFSHIEM,1342087707009.jpg,juSm4iIcEnQ/T080wyZuLA==,US,,1437784996
48540938,48551786,2015-07-25 00:44:45,">>48551689
>You can't have an ""accurate method"" if you can't determine anything as *BEING* accurate or not
You've gone full circle. See >>48549686",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437785085
48540938,48551794,2015-07-25 00:44:58,">>48551718
Their rejection of God personifies in their actions.",,Anonymous,korea.jpg,QzkOYaCEdIEN04BWBhQInQ==,US,,1437785098
48540938,48551842,2015-07-25 00:46:22,"I miss the golden age of New Atheism, around 2006, 2007. Now all atheists are spineless ""religion has plenty of good points, I'd never want to take someone's beliefs from them"" faggots. All this mudslime shit going down with ISIS and atheists are too afraid of being confrontational to say anything.
Atheists should be the ones going on a crusade against islam, instead we're too busy arguing over rape jokes and feminist drama.",,Anonymous,1184532180655.jpg,y5/muAxjoRjcG/SaLP74Lw==,US,,1437785182
48540938,48551914,2015-07-25 00:48:15,">>48551786
Your criterion of meaningfulness is completely arbitrary. There's no basis for it. You're literally just styling as a Vienna Circle ideologue.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437785295
48540938,48552234,2015-07-25 00:56:18,">>48551914
In the simplest sense, knowledge is the possession of experience, both creditable and irreducible. Without experience, there is no knowledge. Without knowledge, there is no experience. By 'experience' I mean all experiences, mental and sensory, including emotions and thoughts. And by 'knowledge' I am speaking of 'cognitive knowledge', a particular kind of thing which does not include, for example, reflexes and intuitive skills. 
Only our experiences of the application of this knowledge can be communicated, as opposed to the non-cognitive knowledge which can't be, and only if the experiences have been shared and named. Humans can't transmit experiences, but only proposition about experiences.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437785778
48540938,48552259,2015-07-25 00:56:57,">>48552234
>both creditable and irreducible.
* both reducible and irreducible.
lol autocorrect",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437785817
48540938,48552289,2015-07-25 00:57:43,">>48551738
Answer me these questions.
What is the difference between metaphysics and magic? (there literally isn't any)
What predictive power does Aquinas theory have? Can it help us create lasers, explain quantum physics. Real useful theories do this. Bullshit magic does not do this. This is why metaphysics is a worthless field. You may as well contemplate the metaphysics for Magic the Gathering and justify that there really are planeswalkers and our universe is just one of many planes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437785863
48540938,48552370,2015-07-25 01:00:15,">>48550800
>""evidence""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786015
48540938,48552434,2015-07-25 01:02:04,">>48552234
>knowledge is the possession of experience
>Without knowledge, there is no experience
This blatant unabashed acceptance of completely circular logic in order to make their arguments ""work"" is why I have so little respect for physicalists.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437786124
48540938,48552472,2015-07-25 01:02:58,">>48552289
In this world, you will meet three types of people.
1. People like wolf, that has a metaphysical view that let's them know anything they want to exist will exist.
2. People like Praceteom, whose metaphysical view is that nothing can be known to exist.
3. People that accept metaphysical naturalism is the most useful metaphysics. Of course, it is so widely accepted that we don't even refer to it as metaphysics anymore. (this is the metaphysics that scientists use)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786178
48540938,48552529,2015-07-25 01:04:19,">>48552434
It isn't circular. I've defined them in such a way that is both useful, and makes my statements true. I even explain a little in the second paragraph",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786259
48540938,48552580,2015-07-25 01:05:42,">>48552434
>u can't know nuffin!
>u can't know u cant know nuffin!
>u can't know u can't know u can't know u can't know u can't know u can't know ... u can't know nuffin!
Fuck off already",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786342
48540938,48552609,2015-07-25 01:06:42,">>48552580
Stay mad and illogical ya cunt.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437786402
48540938,48552664,2015-07-25 01:08:10,">>48552609
>says the ""philosopher"", tip-tapping away on his electronic computer over a global telecommunications network, his home air conditioner faintly whirring in the background.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786490
48540938,48552673,2015-07-25 01:08:18,">>48552609
How do you even go about your day if you think every statement's truth value must be taken on pure faith? 
How far do you think science would have gotten with that outlook?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786498
48540938,48552774,2015-07-25 01:11:05,">>48551842
Atheist here, not a fan of Islam either. It doesn't get any sort of special dispensation, religion is retarded. Period.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437786665
48540938,48552819,2015-07-25 01:12:16,">>48552774
Agreed. But some are worse than others.",,Anonymous,based_dawkins.jpg,JDwBLejIaJoNUWofxTdNJA==,US,,1437786736
48540938,48552966,2015-07-25 01:15:54,">>48552609
Who cares? I'm not a pragmatist. I simply don't care. I want logical consistence, not pretend ""hey guys look how right I am, even though I'm just making shit up to pretend like I'm smart and make everyone conform to my beliefs!""",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437786954
48540938,48552977,2015-07-25 01:16:18,">>48552966
this is in response to
>>48552673",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437786978
48540938,48553010,2015-07-25 01:17:02,">>48552289
>What is the difference between metaphysics and magic? (there literally isn't any)
Magic is a fictional supernatural force that interacts with nature.
Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy focused on the fundamental nature of the world that we use as the basics for grasping more complex understandings of the world (which would be physics)
The fact that you don't grasp these distinctions and post this shit is just disheartening.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437787022
48540938,48553095,2015-07-25 01:19:13,">>48552472
If metaphysics is usful what is it it's predictive power? 
What has it allowed us to invent, discover, refine, or utilize.
You can't even figure out WHICH METAPHYICS is right. The Christian (and which sect), the Hindu, the Buddihist, and so many more.
A scientific view of the world has given us all sorts of wonderful things like dna sequencing, lasers, planes, and medical advancments.
The metaphysics proffessors have argued with each other over whether God is a blue skinned 6 armed man or a Jewish man from the 1st centuary.
The metaphysics professors were so useless they were kicked out of universities. Only in theological schools are they still allowed to teach. They were kicked out because they did not make any discovers or advances and they never will!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787153
48540938,48553189,2015-07-25 01:21:36,">>48553010
>which would be physics
No physics text book mentions heaven, god, sin, angels, or souls
For fuck sakes you literally beleive that getting water poured on your head in a baptismal ritual is going to make a difference in where end up after you fall over and die.
But no this is not fictitious magic! It's metaphysics totally different.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787296
48540938,48553216,2015-07-25 01:22:18,">>48552966
>I'm not a pragmatist. I simply don't care.
We already knew you were a shitter, thanks for confirming.
>>48553010
>the fundamental nature of the world
fundamental nature of how my view of the world works in my head*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787338
48540938,48553229,2015-07-25 01:22:34,">>48553095
>You can't even figure out WHICH METAPHYICS is right.
It's metaphysical naturalism.
>A scientific view of the world has given us all sorts of wonderful things like dna sequencing, lasers, planes, and medical advancments.
You're agreeing with me.
>The metaphysics professors were so useless they were kicked out of universities. Only in theological schools are they still allowed to teach. They were kicked out because they did not make any discovers or advances and they never will!
They used to, science and religion used to be considered the same thing. Both were just searching for truth in the universe. A few hundred years ago we figured out metaphysics though, and people that try to come up with alternatives to metaphysical naturalism are the ""useless professors"" you speak of.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787354
48540938,48553273,2015-07-25 01:23:31,">>48553216
Literally who? Nice contribution. Have a cute anime girl.",,Praceteom,1437769162565.jpg,CvSQjqIDafmGjY+NrstkLg==,US,,1437787411
48540938,48553279,2015-07-25 01:23:46,">>48553216
He's just try to show how knowledgeable he is about not knowing anything :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787426
48540938,48553314,2015-07-25 01:24:43,">>48553273
>Praceteom resorts to animeposting like the cancerous tripfag he is
You're just as cancerous as you are in the lolbertarian threads.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787483
48540938,48553391,2015-07-25 01:26:57,">>48553279
Actually I'm demonstrating why physicalism isn't ""better"" or ""more scientific"" than other stances, like physicalists pretend it is, but actually embraces circular logic via the problem of induction that it literally has no solution to.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437787617
48540938,48553398,2015-07-25 01:27:11,">>48553189
>No physics text book mentions heaven, god, sin, angels, or souls
Correct, and irrelevant.
You're getting silly.
>>48553216
>fundamental nature of how my view of the world works in my head*
Anon, please don't be stupid. It is far too late in the night for this kind of shitposting.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437787631
48540938,48553460,2015-07-25 01:28:56,">>48553398
Shitposting begets shitposting, friend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787736
48540938,48553462,2015-07-25 01:28:59,">>48553229
Early metaphysics did give a very crude understanding of space and time. None of the discussions about spirits, gods, afterlives, etc. are put to use in physics that is by useful professors. The spirit, soul, god proffessors are still usless.
Understanding of the universe's property is largely a science field now with peer reviewed papers and other boring things.
Philosophy, metaphysics, and science were once one yes. They split up though. Metaphysics became usless, science is usful, philosophy is also useful (provided that it deals with concepts in the real world instead of the spirit world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787739
48540938,48553477,2015-07-25 01:29:24,">>48553398
>Correct, and irrelevant.
It is relevant. Consider what you said earlier:
>Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy focused on the fundamental nature of the world that we use as the basics for grasping more complex understandings of the world (which would be physics)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787764
48540938,48553489,2015-07-25 01:29:52,">>48552819
So true. Christians are assholes, but for the most part they aren't violent in the islamic sense. The ones in the middle east haven't resorted to any suicide bombings against ISIS, even though they'd be somewhat justified in it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787792
48540938,48553526,2015-07-25 01:31:07,">>48553398
You are dodging questions.
What is the use of the metaphysics of souls, spirits, and Gods? And if they are not useful why do we care about them?
What advances has it made. 2,000 years and you still no closer to telling us if the Hindu perspective or the Christian one is closer to the truth of the spirit world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787867
48540938,48553548,2015-07-25 01:31:54,">>48548046
you could argue that they're heretics.",,Anonymous,bitch plz.gif,348iQ4o5OQgHB8p4zcPJ3w==,US,,1437787914
48540938,48553563,2015-07-25 01:32:18,">>48553391
>embraces circular logic
I already explained it wasn't circular. You are just too afraid to admit you're wrong.
What's funny is you think any proposition should just be taken on pure faith. Why don't you just take my view on metaphysics over yours? There is no reason you should choose one over the other.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437787938
48540938,48553574,2015-07-25 01:32:58,">>48553314
Says the man responsible for such jewels of wisdom as:
>We already knew you were a shitter, thanks for confirming.
>Fuck off already
Enjoy the cute anime girls mang. I got plenty.",,Praceteom,1431487346805s.jpg,lYT3Yla/JcNO0LMEvS0/8g==,US,,1437787978
48540938,48553608,2015-07-25 01:33:43,">>48551738
Can you show me the passage in Aristotle where he says active and potential are purely metaphysical concepts rather than an early attempt at physics?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788023
48540938,48553614,2015-07-25 01:33:52,">>48553574
>animeposting
>year wxyz of our lord",,Anonymous,SmugWeeabooRobot.jpg,buJ4/+yWBgAse8QdBdgQtQ==,US,,1437788032
48540938,48553681,2015-07-25 01:35:59,">>48544080
Don't hurt me",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437788159
48540938,48553697,2015-07-25 01:36:41,">>48553608
actual and potential I mean",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788201
48540938,48553705,2015-07-25 01:36:58,">>48553563
You just *said* it wasn't circular. You didn't explain it isn't, because you *can't* explain it isn't, because it is DEFINITIVELY circular. If A requires B to exist, but B requires A to exist, then you have a circle.
>knowledge is the possession of experience
>Without knowledge, there is no experience
They *literally require each other to function as terms*. This is *the definition* of housing a circular argument.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437788218
48540938,48553708,2015-07-25 01:37:09,">>48553681
No more",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788229
48540938,48553727,2015-07-25 01:37:39,">>48543764
>posting plato's cave
>being this much of a inconceivable cuck
Plato hates sophists like you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788259
48540938,48553729,2015-07-25 01:37:46,">>48553705
ayy
try reading my whole post instead of just taking the very beginning out of context",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788266
48540938,48553740,2015-07-25 01:38:00,">>48553614
Why did you post Cowboy Bebop?",,Praceteom,1430459738818.png,BofLZADlN0Hv2WISjSyHTw==,US,,1437788280
48540938,48553786,2015-07-25 01:39:36,">>48553740
Because I don't have shit taste.
>the only anime I have ever legitimately enjoyed was Planetes and Wings of Honemaise
tbh, the entire medium is absolute shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788376
48540938,48553788,2015-07-25 01:39:43,">>48553729
I read the whole damn thing and the rest of your post is irrelevant. You rely on circularity. *All* physicalists do unless they're logically consistent, in which case they embrace methodological solipsism, in which case LOL.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437788383
48540938,48553808,2015-07-25 01:40:23,">>48551269
There are bad attempts at making contradictions. What you said is true. You did not lie. But you Jewishly imply that all contradictions are lofty.
The fact is if you actually read the fucking bible and did not notice insane contradictions you are either a very small child or intionally ignoring them.
Let's start in Genesis. God tells Adam and Eve they will die if they eat the fruit.
They eat the fruit and do not die. Did God lie? Christians so no ""your days shall not number more than 120 years"" humans used to be immortal but god cursed us with a 120 year experiation date.
How long did Abraham live? How long Did Noah live? Both loved for at least 300 years.
So did God lie about the 120 year life span.
Either God lied about dying when they eat the fruit or he lied about limiting their life.
Try and justify this (also try explaining how they lived so damn long)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788423
48540938,48553819,2015-07-25 01:40:44,">>48553786
I think all porn is absolute shit and the height of degeneracy. It's a function of taste nerd.",,Praceteom,1434471308530.jpg,pG0HGGFDqT/lqkBC2q0aMg==,US,,1437788444
48540938,48553829,2015-07-25 01:40:56,">>48553788
Then you'll realize the argument isn't circular. Because there is no argument. I'm just defining terms and explaining why it is useful to define them these ways.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788456
48540938,48553848,2015-07-25 01:41:19,">>48553786
Have you seen Psycho-Pass, m8?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437788479
48540938,48553850,2015-07-25 01:41:20,">>48553705
Its more like the definition of dualism. are you arguing all dualist philosophies are untenable?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788480
48540938,48553894,2015-07-25 01:42:32,">>48553819
>implying it's not
I agree with you tbh lad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788552
48540938,48553902,2015-07-25 01:42:43,">>48544368
>Christianity is a following of the teachings of Christ
>The teachings and way of life are transferred orally and through personal interactions
>People are asked to write shit down about jesus and so they do
>2000 years later
>Be a heathen
>THE BIBLE IS THE SOUL SOURCE OF ALL TRUTH AND WHAT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THE CORRECT READING IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! 
>MFW I meet prodistans who actually do this",,Anonymous,1365790027002.jpg,AVgZx/oUoEBXo9BZ+11CCA==,US,,1437788563
48540938,48553912,2015-07-25 01:42:57,">>48553848
Yeah; meh.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788577
48540938,48553986,2015-07-25 01:44:44,">>48553727
To be far that image is a responce to this image.
When I made Christians praised me for depicting their way of thinking accuratly and atheists were angry when I posted it thinking it was ""Christian propaganda""
The atheist version is much stronger if you post the Christian one first.
Plato's cave is a metaphysics (read magic) way of understanding the concept of God existing yet being undetectable. The other version spins it on it's head.
It leaves the Christian with the choice of admitting they are practicing escapism OR being like wolfshiem and pretending that platoism has nothing to do with his religion and that Christians do no like the cave allegory
a Christian website that uses allegory of the cave to promote the religion
http://www.reasons.org/blogs/reflections/platos-cave-do-you-know-the-difference-between-reality-and-illusion",,Anonymous,cave_myth.jpg,PmcmsBly1NM8PHlMdxOgGQ==,US,,1437788684
48540938,48554020,2015-07-25 01:46:00,">>48553850
That's hardly the definition of dualism. You don't need knowledge *at all* for dualism. You actually don't need experience either, because you can have mind/matter duality with an eternally unconscious mind.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437788760
48540938,48554102,2015-07-25 01:48:49,">>48553986
>Plato's cave is a metaphysics (read magic) way of understanding the concept of God existing yet being undetectable
No, that is how Christians interpret it. It is also unfair to call all of metaphysics magic. there are atheistic metaphysics. every belief or lack of belief must have a logic underpinning it, at least if we are being philosophical",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788929
48540938,48554138,2015-07-25 01:49:58,">>48553902
The protestant argument is that the papacy and theologians can change doctrine at will just because they want to.
For instance the bible says not to pray to the dead. The papacy says to ignore it and pray to their laundry list of saints. The bible says only pray to God Catholics pray to marry. 
Protestants are right!
But it never occured to them that the people that wrote the bible could also change things....we know the apostles are lying about a few things because they contradict each other.
In some scholarly circles they are not even 12 apostles! Some were made up by the other ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source
Knowing exactly what Jesus said and what he meant is impossible, there is only theory. Nietzsche believed Jesus didn't even wanted to be worshiped, that he didn't even believe in ""souls going to heaven"" and it was an invention of the Church. When Jesus said ""the kingdom of heaven is within you"" he was talking literally. Heaven was supposed to be a state of mind.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437788998
48540938,48554143,2015-07-25 01:50:15,">>48553829
See, this is the thing. Ontologically, as a physicalist you're ultimately either a believer in methodological solipsism, or you embrace circular logic. Nobody cares about syntax. Nobody cares about usefulness. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about whether or not we can have truth. Whether or not we have the capability to make future predictions. And we might. But we have no way of knowing that, and pretending like we're simply right is hubris.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437789015
48540938,48554157,2015-07-25 01:50:47,">>48541304
SJW logic
>if you ridicule Obama's ideas you're racist!",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1437789047
48540938,48554205,2015-07-25 01:51:57,">>48553477
Yes. Understanding of what angels and heaven are claims. They are concepts and the scholastics did a great job on explaining the nature of those things with the terminology used at the time. Much of their work is based on very fundamental premises so much of it still holds up today.
Angels, Heaven, and such are not metaphysics. Metaphysics is used to examine their nature. Metaphysical judgements (which are of course based on empirical claims or else they would not be involved with metaphysics) are used for arguments about the nature of the world. These arguments and the examination of nature are what people talk about when they mention the metaphysics of the scholastics like Aquinas and Scotus.
>>48553526
>What is the use of the metaphysics of souls, spirits, and Gods? 
They are examinations of the nature of these concepts. Aquinas made a clear distinction between what can be verified through reason in the faith and what could not but he tried to examine all of it regardless as they all had a greater understanding of the world.
Understanding the world, generally, is fundamentally useful. Immediate applications are entirely secondary to that. However, I will say that concepts like a creator (generally, with no other details) have very large-reaching implications.
You seem to be dismissing metaphysics as a whole because people decided to examine their religious claims through them.
>What advances has it made. 2,000 years and you still no closer to telling us if the Hindu perspective or the Christian one is closer to the truth of the spirit world.
No, we can refute a panentheistic and pantheistic view. Aquinas did that in he middle ages.",,WOLFSHIEM,descent2.jpg,VPvNXRy/6OB3ZOPX7FkiFw==,US,,1437789117
48540938,48554218,2015-07-25 01:52:17,">>48554020
ok I was not referring to Descartian dualism but ontological dualism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789137
48540938,48554229,2015-07-25 01:52:34,">>48554143
>We're talking about whether or not we can have truth. Whether or not we have the capability to make future predictions.
Wrong; it's a matter of whether we can determine experimentally what is closest to the truth, with a near 1 probability of that accepted ""truth"" being reproducible.
That's the very core of science; you can't ever verify absolute truth, because there can always be a black swan somewhere to disprove your theory.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789154
48540938,48554264,2015-07-25 01:53:34,">>48554143
>Nobody cares about usefulness.
says the guy using a computer
>We're talking about whether or not we can have truth.
We can't.
> Whether or not we have the capability to make future predictions.
We do, but not with 100% accuracy
>But we have no way of knowing that
see >>48551193",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789214
48540938,48554321,2015-07-25 01:54:58,">>48543195
>amerifats favor jews more than christians
MAXIMUM FUCKING KEK",,Anonymous,image.jpg,vdHfIbymikqjJBOmlGtDeA==,TR,,1437789298
48540938,48554322,2015-07-25 01:54:59,">>48554205
I would love to see Aquinas's argument against pantheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789299
48540938,48554331,2015-07-25 01:55:12,">>48554102
>there are atheistic metaphysics
If you mean the very old metaphysics back when they were trying to figure out how time and space worked. That's called physics now.
Can you give examples of metaphysics an atheist would actually believe? Something that is not now called 'physics'",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789312
48540938,48554360,2015-07-25 01:56:03,">>48553608
Well I imagine that that is implied since actuality and potentiality are introduced by Aristotle in his book Metaphysics, describing metaphysical concepts.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437789363
48540938,48554367,2015-07-25 01:56:14,">>48554331
various schools of monism are atheistic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789374
48540938,48554436,2015-07-25 01:58:09,">>48554229
We can't say anything is nearer or farther from the truth because *we have no idea where truth is*, nor do we seem to have the means of *finding out* how we might locate truth. Reproducibility doesn't mean shit if we use circular logic to justify our faith in it, *which we do*.
I'll be explicit.
- how do we know when we drop this ball that it's going to fall instead of rise or float?
- because it's done so in the past
- wait, so our justification for belief that something is going to happen in the future... is because it has tended to do so in the past?
- uh, yes... fuck
All information garnered via induction is subject to this problem, and we seemingly garner all our information via induction. Unless you embrace some other axioms (like a perfectly honest God) before you get into this, then you're just straight up fucked.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437789489
48540938,48554469,2015-07-25 01:59:10,">>48554360
you know I asked this earlier since it has to do with the cosmological argument, but where does Aristotle make clear that actuality and potinality are pure metaphysics and in no way an early attempt at what we call phyics. 
From what I understand Aristotle was a naturalist and Aquinas was arguing that Aristotle's assumptions did not necessarily lead to his conclusions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789550
48540938,48554483,2015-07-25 01:59:28,">>48554205
Way to completely ignore the point. Metaphysics came before physics, as you said. Your gods and heaven never showed up in physics though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789568
48540938,48554498,2015-07-25 02:00:04,">>48554264
>says the guy using a computer
I *don't* care about usefulness. Pointing out that I'm using a computer has no argumentative value whatsoever.
>We do, but not with 100% accuracy
We might not. We might have 0% accuracy. And that's a direct contradiction to saying ""We do.""",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437789604
48540938,48554529,2015-07-25 02:01:07,">>48540938
>And God said, let there be light
Doesn't this sound like a Big Bang to you? Just saying, it really sounds like the Bible called the Big Bang ages before scientists figured it out.
I know many of you don't want to believe in Christianity because it just feels wrong, doesn't it? It just feels too restricting, too bizarre, almost foolish. That's how I used to feel, but then I allowed Christ to come into my life and I've been a changed man since. If there is anyone here who sits on the fence, let them read my text, and let them look for the Christ General. Ask your questions there, it's most likely there will be nothing but vitriol here.
If anything, the words of scientists seem like a shaky thing to put your faith in. Scientists have always been wrong. I'm not saying science as a whole is wrong, it's tailor made to find the truth about the world around us. But the scientists who are in charge of finding that truth bicker and infight, believing their (often contradictory) theories to be true, and willing to defend them with an almost religious zeal. Inb4 no true scientist, yes they do.
Anyways, what I am saying is, the Christian faith has proven itself to me to be the one true faith. Those who wish to know more, please look up the Christ General.
If you're a dyed in the wool atheist, please consider getting in touch with your spiritual side and getting to know Christ through his followers and through the Bible. Don't say ""I asked God to kill me and here I am, he don't exist lol!"", that's a tired old argument that is little more than 0/8 b8. I bet many of you never gave Church a serious shot, and if you did, then it couldn't hurt to give it another go, and be sincere in your desire to know God. 
I've been lacking in faith for years, but I have been born again through Jesus. I wish for all of you can be saved as well.
May God's blessings be upon all of you, even the fedoras among you, God wants you all back in the fold, he is willing to forgive you.",,"I'm going to be going back to the Christ General, so please don't respond to this post",Knights-Templar-4.jpg,MiR7+yQmB5sBpWEbL1Oy/Q==,US,,1437789667
48540938,48554533,2015-07-25 02:01:11,">>48554498
solipsism is perfectly valid answer tot he problems of epistemology",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789671
48540938,48554589,2015-07-25 02:02:57,">>48554436
>We can't say anything is nearer or farther from the truth because
Actually, we can say it's likely to be near the truth because it's reproducible, works with all our established models, and is experimentally verified.
It's not a matter of being ""close to the truth"", but rather being ""more truthful"".
Is calling the Earth a sphere more truthful than calling it flat? Is it anywhere near the truth of it being an oblong ellipsoid? 
>- how do we know when we drop this ball that it's going to fall instead of rise or float?
>- because it's done so in the past
>- wait, so our justification for belief that something is going to happen in the future... is because it has tended to do so in the past?
>- uh, yes... fuck
I know you're just shitposting, but come the fuck on. This is such weak bait that I'm honestly insulted by your lack of intelligence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789777
48540938,48554600,2015-07-25 02:03:10,">>48548940
A is A
A is not not A
Either A or not A",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1437789790
48540938,48554603,2015-07-25 02:03:14,">>48554498
>We might have 0% accuracy.
But we can use statistics to see how accurate our predictions are. Good predictions are usually close to 100% accurate",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789794
48540938,48554606,2015-07-25 02:03:18,">>48543764
>Trying to escape nihilism and depression this badly.
top kek, in the context of atheism no matter how you look at it, meaning is just a man made up thing.
Trying to give something meaning is impossible in an atheistic context, because meaning doesn't exist; It's a man made up thing to give life hope and happiness in your context.
But you'll insist there can be meaning in an atheistic context.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789798
48540938,48554607,2015-07-25 02:03:18,">>48554533
Yeah, but it doesn't get you anywhere at all. You're basically just like ""aight guys, I have no idea what's going on - peace.""",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437789798
48540938,48554626,2015-07-25 02:03:47,">>48554205
>No, we can refute a panentheistic and pantheistic view. Aquinas did that in he middle ages
LOL
You know the Hindus have their very own little metaphysics. In some sects your Jesus is even folded into their pantheon.
You did not defeat Hindu in metaphysics. Do you know what a real victory looks like? How many people believe that humors govern the body? NONE because it's been debunked. Hindu think your argument is fucking garbage. I've watched a Hindu debate a Christian and the Christian fucking lost (and I am sure the Hindu loses just as often to other Christians). You do not have some magic bullet that ends all Hindu debates. You have a bunch of different beliefs in magic and you throw it fucking back and forth.
>Aquinas made a clear distinction between what can be verified through reason in the faith 
No he didn't Catholic isn't the only player in town. There are plenty of Christians that think Aquinas was wrong. That the papacy secretly works for the devil and that we can know far far more than Aquinas thought. And just like the Hindu you cannot prove them wrong.
Your metaphysics (or magic) of souls, angels, gods, and the spirit world is USLESS. You cannot arrive at ANY CONCLUSIONS, only unverifiable opinions. You cannot produce a shred of usful information. You can only confirm what you already believe (or want to believe)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789827
48540938,48554673,2015-07-25 02:05:34,">>48554607
""All I know is that I know nothing""
-Socrates",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437789934
48540938,48554677,2015-07-25 02:05:36,">>48554589
>I know you're just shitposting, but come the fuck on. This is such weak bait that I'm honestly insulted by your lack of intelligence.
I don't have enough keks for this. Faith in induction as conveying anything significant intrinsically relies on circular reasoning. It is logically unjustifiable. David Hume pointed this out in spades. Back to cute anime girls.",,Praceteom,1430461457376.png,S1aH67DmLypkZ/tSHZ0vxg==,US,,1437789936
48540938,48554739,2015-07-25 02:07:22,">>48554673
I'm all for skepticism, but don't just peace out. You can look for the truth while admitting you don't know exactly what you're doing. Embracing solipsism is literally giving up.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437790042
48540938,48554740,2015-07-25 02:07:25,">>48554529
Thank anon, I appreciate it.
You still have no idea how science works.
>Scientists have always been wrong
Because it's impossible to know the truth. (see: Black Swan argument). However, science gives a method by which to determine whether or not something is probably right, and will probably happen or not in the future.
> But the scientists who are in charge of finding that truth bicker and infight, believing their (often contradictory) theories to be true
Again, that's how science works. Scientists propose hypothesis to phenomena, and attempt to experimentally verify these hypothesis. If the data does not support the hypothesis, they either redo the experiment (maybe work out some intrinsic flaws in the experiment), or they reform or discard their hypothesis.
Truth cannot be found, but what approximates the truth can only be found through a posteriori knowledge; empirical methods/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790045
48540938,48554797,2015-07-25 02:09:06,">>48554606
Strictly speaking the whole universe is just atoms buzzing around.Even if a God did create it there would be no meaning.
A guy stabbing his friend is just atoms buzzing in a specific pattern.
It is humans decided that particular shape of atoms is called stabbing your friend. Or if there is a God it is God interpreting the shape atoms buzzing around.
Human or God either way morality is subjective. You cannot scientifically prove that stabbing your friend is wrong. There is no basis to prove.
Even if God says it's wrong that is still just his opinion and nothing is empirical. You may believe God 100% but this is just submitting to anthor's opinion.
For me figuring out if the buzzing around of atoms called 'stabbing your friend' is desirable is pretty easy. For someone that struggles with this they would need to consult some else's opinion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790146
48540938,48554824,2015-07-25 02:09:46,">>48554603
>But we can use statistics to see how accurate our predictions are
No, because you don't know if what you're looking at isn't entirely different from what it was before, but simply with an appearance you fail to distinguish. It's literally the secret powers of bread problem.
I've been referencing Hume alot - you are familiar with him and this problem right?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437790186
48540938,48554856,2015-07-25 02:11:04,">>48554677
I have ""faith in induction"" because what has always happened, is likely to happen again.
If I let go of a ball and it suddenly floats off into space, where it should have fallen to the ground, that's something worth looking into. If able to be reproduced, it could help us create a better theory of gravitation.
Or maybe that was a once-in-a-lifetime event where a bunch of virtual particles popped into existence, sending the ball flying up, before annihilating each other; the presence (or lack thereof) of a matter-antimatter reaction when letting go of the ball would shed some light on whether this was the case.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790264
48540938,48554952,2015-07-25 02:14:21,">>48554824
>No, because you don't know if what you're looking at isn't entirely different from what it was before, but simply with an appearance you fail to distinguish.
see >>48549686",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790461
48540938,48554961,2015-07-25 02:14:52,"I do think its a problem that most athiest ""advocates"" are science students who generally are not very familiar with philosophy and history.
They are very intelligent so they usually dominate normal people in debates but they have problems against people who are really versed in these things. Its not as if most modern philosophers or historians are Christians, but if you don't know the territory very well its hard to debate those issues. I took a few classes on philosophy and I can barely keep up with someone who really knows classical philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790492
48540938,48554985,2015-07-25 02:15:32,">>48554856
>because what has always happened, is likely to happen again.
You actually have no way of saying whether it's likely or not. You could drop a ball, thinking the probability of it falling is near perfect, or even just likely, while reality actually dictates that the ball is going to float there, and that it's going to do so for the next x times you perform the experiment. And it could do that for seemingly no reason. You cannot justify circular logic. Believing that things will happen in the future like they have in the past *BECAUSE* they have tended to do so in the past is perfectly circular logic and utterly unjustifiable logically.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437790532
48540938,48555019,2015-07-25 02:16:38,">>48554952
You saying it's meaningless doesn't make it meaningless. Pretending a patently crippling part of your ideology isn't a problem at all is intellectually dishonest. You have to address Hume.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437790598
48540938,48555022,2015-07-25 02:16:38,">>48554322
He doesn't outright try to disprove pantheism but does so in passing. I can't find any articles about his criticism itself, he's only touched on it Stanford pages.
Much of it is evident in the First Way. To put it very simply, the universe is contingent and thus must rest on the non-contingent (this is my skipping the whole actuality/potentiality discussion for time sake). We can grasp the nature of the non-contingent through, at the very least, the logical consequences of being non-contingent. Now if the divine to be matter itself then its just being held up by a greater force that it finds its being it (that non-contingent ground of being), thus if we were to call matter God it would be us poorly directing our interests as what really influences us directly is that non-contingent ground. If we were to say that God is the matter and the non-contingent ground then we're screwing up logically as the non-contingent would be betraying the nature of its non-contingency by expanding to be matter as well.
>>48554626
>You know the Hindus have their very own little metaphysics. In some sects your Jesus is even folded into their pantheon.
I study religions and anthropology as a hobby. I know this. Eastern metaphysics is very poorly put together and incredibly diverse.
>No he didn't Catholic isn't the only player in town.
Yes he did. That there are other sects that did whatever stupid shit does not change what Aquinas did.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437790598
48540938,48555040,2015-07-25 02:17:08,It's late. I need to head to bed.,,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1437790628
48540938,48555072,2015-07-25 02:17:52,">>48554985
>And it could do that for seemingly no reason. You cannot justify circular logic
Except that reality follows it's own laws, it's not sentient, and miracles don't real.
If I drop a ball 100,000,000 times, it's safe to assume that it will fall the 100,000,001th time. Whether or not I can definitively say ""yes, the ball will fall straight down every time"" is irrelevant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790672
48540938,48555084,2015-07-25 02:18:23,">>48554797
If God created the universe, why is it impossible he created morality with it?
>it's just atoms buzzing around
There is more to it than ""just atoms"", a lot more to it.
When you try to boil it down to ""just atoms"", you're not seeing the full view.
Even if you were able to boil it down to ""just atoms buzzing"", that's where the non physical would come in. (what triggers an atheist's autism more than christianity)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790703
48540938,48555113,2015-07-25 02:19:04,">>48555019
What does Hume want? Absolute certainty? See >>48550098",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790744
48540938,48555142,2015-07-25 02:19:45,">>48555072
>Except that reality follows it's own laws, it's not sentient, and miracles don't real
You don't know this. Hume *explicitly* talks about this, and when we discuss the problem of induction nowadays, philosophers very often talk about the universe ""just deciding to fuck with you"".",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437790785
48540938,48555165,2015-07-25 02:20:21,">>48555022
well no, to disprove it you would have to take a pantheist logical construct and refute the central point. It isn't enough to say that Aquinas's proof does not allow for pantheism unless we have both accepted it as valid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790821
48540938,48555180,2015-07-25 02:20:55,">>48555142
>philosophers very often talk about the universe ""just deciding to fuck with you"".
Prove that it has in reason to (or capability to) fuck with us. If anything, the universe only fucks with us when we fuck with it (see: LHC; pentaquarks nigga)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437790855
48540938,48555229,2015-07-25 02:22:38,"FUCK MOOT AND HIS BUMP LIMITS, NEW THREAD
>>48555203
>>48555203
>>48555203",,Anonymous,94ba7922536af2d0cf16b96322420d145695596f.jpg,HuYUgtUsYi0WpIhDj9/F2A==,US,,1437790958
48540938,48555230,2015-07-25 02:22:42,">>48555113
Hume doesn't actually care all that much about certainty. He's the one who brought up the problem, but as he was concerned with it's implications he was simultaneously engaged with other projects.
If you want to read up on this, you could read his Treatise on Human Nature, or just the SEoP article here 
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437790962
48540938,48555284,2015-07-25 02:24:08,">>48555180
I don't know of a way to prove it, but you have no way of denying it. Any manner of things that happen or don't happen that are observed or unobserved could very possibly be the result of a dick-ass sentient universe.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437791048
48540938,48555337,2015-07-25 02:25:48,">>48555113
Hume was basically the father of modern skepticism. and he is the first person in modern history I can think of who I would call an atheist. he attacked both religion and science",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791148
48540938,48555407,2015-07-25 02:28:01,">>48555022
>Eastern metaphysics is very poorly put together and incredibly diverse
This is your opinion on it. Some eastern theologian would think Christian ideas are a crock of shit. Neither of you can make the slightest attempt to prove the other person wrong.
Neither metaphysics have made a single contribution that is applicable (so we know angels can do a,b, and c what's that good for).
>That there are other sects that did whatever stupid shit does not change what Aquinas did.
What Aquinas did is produce a paper that sounds very nice to you and a few million other people.
Useful things get results. If we figure out the properties of matter we can advance science. If a moral, ethical, or philosophical idea is found out than a human can put it into practice.
Understanding the properties of a Spirit which you cannot even prove exists (or which religion's spirit world) is worthless to anyone but a hobbyist or perhaps an RPG designer looking for some cool ideas for his game.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791281
48540938,48555462,2015-07-25 02:29:29,">>48555084
>If God created the universe, why is it impossible he created morality with it?
God can create morality. Anyone with a fucking brain can create morality. Morality is a value judgement ""this is good"" ""that is bad"".
Dumb ass.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791369
48540938,48555470,2015-07-25 02:29:45,">>48555407
>Neither metaphysics have made a single contribution that is applicable
Metaphysics are the root of ethics. You don't have ethics without metaphysics, or if you do they're meaningless and dripping in nihilism.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437791385
48540938,48555475,2015-07-25 02:29:50,">>48555230
replied to you in new thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791390
48540938,48555566,2015-07-25 02:33:05,">>48555470
Ethics is just passing a value judgment on something. ""that is good"" ""this is bad""
anyone can fucking do this.
Metaphysics just provides a powerful authority figure that immortalizes the value judgments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791585
48540938,48555715,2015-07-25 02:37:22,">>48554740
Thanks for responding civilly.
Also, I understand this, hence,
>I'm not saying science as a whole is wrong, it's tailor made to find the truth about the world around us.
However, what I am saying, is that don't let one single scientific hypothesis or theory stop you from ever trying to seek God. For example, if a man didn't try going back to church way back when because he was so convinced by the Theory of the Transmutation of Species, he would've risked hellfire for nothing, considering that theory is obsolete.
I'm not trying to disprove science, here. I actually concluded in my post that the Big Bang Theory (BAZONGO) can actually be incorporated into Christian teaching, as well as some theories of evolution as well, considering Genesis teaches that God created the creatures of the sea first, then the creatures of the land, saying,
>And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life
And God also said that Humans should have dominion over all creatures on Earth, which supports that we naturally evolved to be on top.
And you say truth cannot be found, and yet, the truth can be found in the Book. I do not believe that the Bible can be used as a science textbook (I admire the faith of those who do say so, but I believe them to be wrong). But I do believe that whatever science finds out to be true can be corresponded with in the Bible.
I did not come here to post, though, only to make the Christ General known to those who wish to know more. I am new in the faith, and I'm not yet strong enough in the faith to have prepared answers for all the vitriol/trolling/genuine questions I might receive in this thread, which was created as a reaction to the popularity of Christian/Christ-Chan generals. 
Thank you for the discourse, though. Every chance I get, I'd like to get stronger in the faith, and hopefully bring some wayward souls back in to the fold. That's what happened for me, way back in 12-4chan and here on /pol/",,Anonymous,1423446382052s.jpg,DUAGclHt2jwp3yZMmrGjYw==,US,,1437791842
48540938,48555779,2015-07-25 02:39:31,Christianity is a Jewish product for Gentiles. It makes you more docile and willing to buy things.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791971
48540938,48556967,2015-07-25 03:17:40,>Rare flag,,Anonymous,,,BH,,1437794260
48555203,48555203,2015-07-25 02:21:43,"Replace worship with curiosity, devotion with diligence, holiness with sincerity, ritual with study, and scripture with the WHOLE WORLD and the WHOLE of human learning. It is our duty to question all things, and to ground our beliefs in what is well-investigated and well-proved, rather than what is merely well-asserted or well-liked. Instead of keeping your nose buried in your book, read widely and constantly. Instead of aligning yourself with this or that view and keeping only like-minded company, you should mingle and discuss all views with everyone. And above all, commit yourself to the constant study and application of logic, method, and seek always to perfect, by testing and correcting, your total view of all things.
Today's thread question: What are your favorite lines from the Bible that show how ridiculous it is?",Atheism General 2: Electric Jewgaloo,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,MvurxBj6fhkdqu1/OV1HgA==,US,,1437790903
48555203,48555265,2015-07-25 02:23:38,">>48555203
last thread >>48540938",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791018
48555203,48555273,2015-07-25 02:23:49,>>48555203,,Anonymous,1425208952886.gif,2qy31WeWad+PBRHyOUAjlg==,US,,1437791029
48555203,48555311,2015-07-25 02:24:51,>>48555203,,Anonymous,1430462254670s.jpg,hxY97bZKhGKSUOjN/GBGhg==,CA,,1437791091
48555203,48555312,2015-07-25 02:24:54,"I enjoy these threads because it gives me the chance to debate the scientifically and philosophically crippled.
Redditors think they can storm in here creating a ""chan"" persona and seem like legitimate channers.
/ph/ - Philosophy when?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791094
48555203,48555406,2015-07-25 02:28:01,">>48555312
you know in the early days of 4chan Christianity was heavily mocked.
modern philosophy departments are filled with atheists, its just that most people have not sat down and read Aristotle and Plato so they cant really argue it as well as someone who has",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791281
48555203,48555409,2015-07-25 02:28:04,">>48555312
>internet
>quality debate",,Anonymous,1430369976789.jpg,yRPoa5wZAhDHec2zM44F9Q==,US,,1437791284
48555203,48555410,2015-07-25 02:28:05,">>48555230
If Hume doesn't care about certainty then I don't see the problem",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791285
48555203,48555412,2015-07-25 02:28:08,">>48555203
>Sincerity so you can be honestly an asshole with a smug grin.
>Diligence so you can troll Christians on the internet for long periods of time despite them never having done anything to you.
>Curiosity so you can read only atheist and scientific propaganda (which is bought btw).
>Mfw not a single one of your virtues ever mentions kindness, forgiveness, chastity, or mercy.
Confirmed degeneracy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791288
48555203,48555513,2015-07-25 02:31:21,">>48555312
Just curious did you have any discussions last thread.
To be fair there are a lot of philosophically crippled atheists and you are doing us a big favor by weeding them. They will get their ass kicked and than eventually start copying the philosophy from atheists that can justify their beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791481
48555203,48555537,2015-07-25 02:32:14,">>48555410
He cared about refuting the idea of certainty. Its always hilarious when I hear a Christian use Hume in a debate. Hume was basically an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791534
48555203,48555548,2015-07-25 02:32:29,">>48555410
What? What an individual person cares about is completely irrelevant to the ideas they bring to the table. Justification for induction is circular logic, and thus not justification at all.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437791549
48555203,48555570,2015-07-25 02:33:18,">>48555406
4chan was very nihilistic in the early days, I am aware.
>>48555513
Not much last thread, but I usually like to when these threads show up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791598
48555203,48555572,2015-07-25 02:33:19,">>48555548
Wait... when you say ""an induction"", do you mean like in math where something is proved with 100% certainty?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791599
48555203,48555605,2015-07-25 02:34:04,">>48555537
I use him because he brought up a brilliant and obvious point. I hate Hume and his passion dribble, but damn if his point on induction isn't useful to slap physicalists in the face with.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437791644
48555203,48555614,2015-07-25 02:34:24,">>48555570
>4chan was very nihilistic in the early days, I am aware.
It was alot more fun too.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791664
48555203,48555622,2015-07-25 02:34:37,">>48555572
Read the SEoP article. It'll explicitly tell you exactly what I'm talking about and exactly what your problem is.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437791677
48555203,48555627,2015-07-25 02:34:44,">>48555203
>Replace.... with ....
as if all these things were mutually exclusive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791684
48555203,48555639,2015-07-25 02:35:02,">>48555203
Daily reminder that your object of worship should not be a non-existent God, or rather nothing at all, but rather worship manking and civilization.
Devote yourself to man's dominance over nature and the possibility if progress.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791702
48555203,48555641,2015-07-25 02:35:07,"Wolfshiem. If you are interested in killing atheism general there is a way to do it that is guaranteed to work. But I don't think the Christian community can pull it off.
I will tell you it only if you post a picture of Fedora-chan =p",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791707
48555203,48555664,2015-07-25 02:35:46,">>48555614
I doubt you were there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791746
48555203,48555727,2015-07-25 02:37:50,">>48555412
>Mfw not a single one of your virtues ever mentions kindness, forgiveness, chastity, or mercy.
That's because there's no reason to replace those. It's not like you have to ditch everything from religion, there's parts that are quite salvageable.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437791870
48555203,48555738,2015-07-25 02:38:04,">>48555622
Could you just quote the relevant section. It's late.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437791884
48555203,48555794,2015-07-25 02:39:59,">>48555727
>That's because there's no reason to replace those. It's not like you have to ditch everything from religion, there's parts that are quite salvageable.
>asserting standards of morality in a universe that completely lacks them",,Anonymous,1436533006751.gif,yKqZqsliadibL4mgGZvkOA==,US,,1437791999
48555203,48555827,2015-07-25 02:41:05,">>48555738
It's late for me too. But it's literally in the glossary m8.
>1. The contemporary notion of induction
>2. Hume on induction",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437792065
48555203,48555840,2015-07-25 02:41:30,">>48555664
I was here in 05",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792090
48555203,48555849,2015-07-25 02:41:45,">>48555794
>asserting standards of morality in a universe that completely lacks them
>assuming absolute morality is the only kind of morality that can exist
>assuming no inherent meaning means you have to go full nihilism",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437792105
48555203,48555856,2015-07-25 02:42:06,">>48555827
Table on contents. Not glossary. Best.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437792126
48555203,48555881,2015-07-25 02:43:08,">>48555727
If you like mercy, humbleness, modesty, compassion, and forgiveness I suggest you move to Sweden. They feed and house the poor, forgive them for their crimes, are humble enough to not offend other's with their flag.
These are Christian values. It is exactly the thing Nietzsche was fighting against.
You can say you are a Christian and that we should show no mercy to our enemies, be proud, be unmodest, and not forgive.
That's how you make a strong society. But you will only be Christian in name. You will really be following virtue's praised by a man who was literally nick-named ""anti-christ""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792188
48555203,48555903,2015-07-25 02:43:59,">>48555827
Is this the thing Hume is complaining about? I can see why, it looks be claiming certainty",,Anonymous,induction.png,+uthVh1NIsER+zksJMheLA==,US,,1437792239
48555203,48555918,2015-07-25 02:44:34,">>48555840
I was here in 01, silly. I'm a supersuperancientoriginalfag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792274
48555203,48555923,2015-07-25 02:44:42,">>48555849
>assuming absolute morality is the only kind of morality that can exist
>asserting that ""morality"" can exist apart from any objective standard
>implying that it is not a complete delusion
>implying that what is ""moral"" is not just the collective subjective opinions of millions working together",,Anonymous,1433136801255.gif,IqPaEA/LXGvGkHF7n/xnnQ==,US,,1437792282
48555203,48555952,2015-07-25 02:45:55,">>48555918
4chan didn't exist in 01",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792355
48555203,48555993,2015-07-25 02:47:03,">>48555952
2chan did",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792423
48555203,48556020,2015-07-25 02:47:54,">>48555881
>If you like mercy, humbleness, modesty, compassion, and forgiveness I suggest you move to Sweden.
For some reason people seem to forget what this whole ""moderation"" thing is.
>>48555923
>implying that what is ""moral"" is not just the collective subjective opinions of millions working together
No, that's actually what I meant. Those collective subjective opinions, and especially your own subjective opinion, work quite well as a source of morals. Isn't it amazing how similar they are to the claimed absolute morality of christians?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437792474
48555203,48556037,2015-07-25 02:48:25,">>48555903
No, his problem is with necessary connections. The modern problem extrapolates the main issue his reasoning raises, which is that of justification for use of induction, since it is decisively circular reasoning to accept predictions and probability in causal relations by utilization of induction.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437792505
48555203,48556056,2015-07-25 02:49:08,">>48555952
You're too new to know that, kiddo. This was before 4chan was hosted on a .org or .net domain.
Back then the site was used for moot and his friends, not even the oldest of oldfags today remember.
lmao kiddo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792548
48555203,48556063,2015-07-25 02:49:26,"Official religious power level based on their ability to debate.
*Non-enemy tier: Certain sects of Buddhism, Taoism, pure Agnostic, Deist, Neo-Pagan
*Master Debator: The Jews (2tricky)
*Hard mode: Catholic
*Normal Mode: Highly organized Christianity with a power structure: Like Orthodox, Mormon
*Easy mode: Protestant, Lutherian, any form of Christianity that does not have a centralized power. Muslims
*Punching Bag Tier: Creationists, New Agers, Scientology
*Undefined Tier: Hindu, Confucianism",,Anonymous,1437450280358.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437792566
48555203,48556084,2015-07-25 02:50:06,">>48556020
>subjective opinions
>attempting to assert that this isn't nihilism
>claiming that you aren't a nihilist if you reject the idea of objective morality",,Anonymous,1427861312896.gif,8srhzRXAYQkfFEc5Dsdz4w==,US,,1437792606
48555203,48556105,2015-07-25 02:50:48,">>48555881
>move to Sweden
>These are Christian values
Religion is not whats getting Sweden cucked, they're the least religious country in the first world. SJWism an an atheistic movement.",,Anonymous,Sweden Yes.png,oGP3txpYErIflftVfqrlZQ==,AU,,1437792648
48555203,48556113,2015-07-25 02:50:59,">>48556063
move Confucianism to the non-enemy tier, move Jews and catholics into the normal mode tier.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792659
48555203,48556133,2015-07-25 02:51:34,">>48556056
Wow its quite impressive for a kid in middle school to design a secret webpage",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792694
48555203,48556137,2015-07-25 02:51:44,">>48556020
Christianity exalts victim hood.
The sacred victims who were eaten by lions.
Martydom
And of course the ultimate victim himself: Christ.
Literal worshiping a victim who was killed but didnu nuffin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792704
48555203,48556159,2015-07-25 02:52:17,">>48556063
>Neo-Pagan
>not punching-bag
>implying non-enemy tier shouldn't be called ""not worth the effort""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792737
48555203,48556196,2015-07-25 02:53:20,">>48556020
>Those collective subjective opinions, and especially your own subjective opinion, work quite well as a source of morals
Yeah sure, if you ignore the majority of non-christian cultures in history",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437792800
48555203,48556211,2015-07-25 02:53:45,">>48556133
I programmed it myself, Moot gave me his virginity in return.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792825
48555203,48556212,2015-07-25 02:53:47,">>48556084
See, that's where you're going full derp again. Make your own meaning. Search for your own morals.
>>48556137
Yeah, that part can be ditched without replacement.
But kindness, charity etc, that's the glue that holds a society together in bad times.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437792827
48555203,48556219,2015-07-25 02:54:03,">>48556105
Ok listen idiot.
You can have Christian values and not be Christian. And you can be Christian and not ahve Christian values.
What sweden is doing is exactly what Jesus preached. 
The very first and longest speech Jesus gives a fucking playbook for SJW. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437792843
48555203,48556236,2015-07-25 02:54:25,">>48556105
>SJWism an an atheistic movement.
>a movement based on sophistry and navel gazing, supported by nothing more than baseless suppositions, metaphysical concepts, and complete lack of any empirical evidence.
>atheistic movement",,Anonymous,1419620768382.gif,UU9GLdzyClJcNE4T8/DPBg==,US,,1437792865
48555203,48556238,2015-07-25 02:54:26,">>48555881
You literally just copy/pasted that post form last thread.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437792866
48555203,48556268,2015-07-25 02:55:17,">>48556212
>Make your own meaning. Search for your own morals.
>claiming that this is not complete nihilism",,Anonymous,1425084560784.gif,Gu/ZGE9bC5G7SKGcBShxeQ==,US,,1437792917
48555203,48556290,2015-07-25 02:56:08,">>48555605
It's such a weak argument though. He's right that if the same exact thing happens 99 times in a row, the 100th time you can't be sure it'll happen again. Until you stop filling your car with petrol thinking it shouldn't run this time or stop runnig from a chasing lion because hey, maybe this time he just wants to play, you also are not convinced by his argument.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437792968
48555203,48556356,2015-07-25 02:58:10,">>48556159
What's wrong with neo-paganism. It's just an artistic movement as far as I know. They made some kick ass metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srry38HR2MQ
>>48556212
strictly speaking charity isn't bad. What matters is how you RANK it compared to other values. Jesus taught that things like mercy, pity and humbleness were the highest values of all.
It is more important to be ambitious and power seeking than kind or charitable. If we went around being charitable all day instead of doing manly stuff we would still be living in fucking caves, we would probably have never even made a fucking spear.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793090
48555203,48556358,2015-07-25 02:58:13,">>48556290
>Until you stop filling your car with petrol thinking it shouldn't run this time or stop runnig from a chasing lion because hey, maybe this time he just wants to play, you also are not convinced by his argument.
You go and explain that to all those people playing the lottery week after week.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437793093
48555203,48556385,2015-07-25 02:59:10,">>48556356
>strictly speaking charity isn't bad. What matters is how you RANK it compared to other values. Jesus taught that things like mercy, pity and humbleness were the highest values of all.
I'm not saying to retain the rank order of christianity. 
I'm saying some of its values can be kept. That's all.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1437793150
48555203,48556393,2015-07-25 02:59:21,">>48556356
>It's just an artistic movement
And occultism is just ""cultural"". They're just as schizophrenic as new-agers.
They do make good metal, though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793161
48555203,48556400,2015-07-25 02:59:32,">>48556236
>Implying that the fact that the vast majority of SJWs are atheists is irrelevant
People with a view that all morals are subjective slide into extremism. This is well documented and why the first thing Communist nations do is stamp out religion.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437793172
48555203,48556411,2015-07-25 02:59:53,">>48556238
yeah because I'm the one that WROTE IT last thread and it's 100% relevant to what was said.
>>48556268
the bible was written by humans. If you find meaning in it you are just taking the meaning invented by other humans and making it your own.
Would you rather make your own meaning or have someone else make it for you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793193
48555203,48556427,2015-07-25 03:00:20,">>48556393
well that and nationalists desperately trying to cling to a past that never existed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793220
48555203,48556430,2015-07-25 03:00:23,">>48555203
I like the part where they smash the original 10 commandments and rewrite a completely new set of 10 commandments that nobody knows.
And the new commandments were the foundation of god's covenant with the jews and was carried around in the ark of the covenant.
The 10 commandments that everyone basically knows is the unofficial version of the 10 commandments. The official version includes commandments like, ""don't cook a goat in its mother's milk"".",,Anonymous,GyOl7YZ.jpg,Ozay1qvlr56CXw6Eqr6w1Q==,US,,1437793223
48555203,48556440,2015-07-25 03:00:56,">>48556356
>charity isn't bad
>trying to define ""bad"" apart from an objective standard",,Anonymous,1427111559728.jpg,IYwRL/sePbAB7YvOJ2qqGw==,US,,1437793256
48555203,48556448,2015-07-25 03:01:08,">>48556393
any info on this.
I just assumed they were guys that listened to metal wear leather straps and put read Beowulf.
Do they actually literally beleive in Thor?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793268
48555203,48556462,2015-07-25 03:01:38,">>48556411
>the bible was written by humans, if you find menaing in it derpderpderpderpderp
That's from an atheistic viewpoint. When it comes to philosophy, viewpoints matter a lot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793298
48555203,48556492,2015-07-25 03:02:25,">>48556427
>Implying nationalism is bad
They're more ethnocentrists than nationalists.
You're right about the ""non-existent past- part, though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793345
48555203,48556507,2015-07-25 03:02:53,">>48556037
Well, it does work. So it is very plausible that is true. I don't see how you can know anything without experiences. All assertions, all statements of fact, convey some ""proposition"" about what exists, that is, predictions about what will and what won't happen, if we go here or there or do this or that. These prediction could never all be fulfilled if the proposition were false, but could all be fulfilled if the proposition were true. So the more predictions entailed by a proposition that re fulfilled, the more reasonable it is for us to believe it. And vice versa: the more predictions a claims entrails that actually fail to transpire when investigated, the less reasonable it is for us to believe it. Thomas's propositions predict nothing, they were invented for the sole purpose of ""logic""ing a god into existence. A proposition must predict something to mean anything (so a proposition that predicts nothing is meaningless), and a proposition's truth can only be determined by going out and seeing whether those predictions are or are not fulfilled. We can't even claim to know what a statement means if we don't even know what would confirm or refute it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793373
48555203,48556509,2015-07-25 03:02:54,">>48556430
Don't be mean anon. Don't you know god was just pretending to be retarded.
How can you have unchanging objective morals if god doesn't change them from time to time?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437793374
48555203,48556512,2015-07-25 03:02:59,">>48556411
>dat bumhurt",,Anonymous,1417491176180.jpg,TnuLIYjRw7Wf3b2RIqXZMA==,US,,1437793379
48555203,48556545,2015-07-25 03:04:04,">>48556448
>Do they actually literally believe in Thor?
Like with all things, it depends.
Just like how there are cultural catholics who only practice the traditions and culture, there are neo-pagans who just do it for VIKINGS FUCK YEAH and those who actually believe in [insert respective ethnic/racial deity here]",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793444
48555203,48556546,2015-07-25 03:04:05,">>48556290
There's nothing *stronger* than that argument. It literally makes induction logically unjustifiable. It is illogical to believe in any inductively predicated predictions (which is all physical predictions). What people actually *do* is irrelevant to the strength of the argument. Arguments don't necessarily make anyone change their behavior.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437793445
48555203,48556592,2015-07-25 03:06:00,You're all going to hell. May god save your soul.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793560
48555203,48556598,2015-07-25 03:06:12,">>48556411
And you posted it to me, and then didn't respond to my response. If we're looking at things normatively, there's nothing better for human treatment of one another than Christian virtues.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437793572
48555203,48556622,2015-07-25 03:07:17,">>48556592
You are just upset that we are not following your archaic doctrines and outdated ways of thinking. You have no idea how hard it is to be an atheist, we are probably the most oppressed people on the planet and one day our reddit posts will be read like scripture.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793637
48555203,48556636,2015-07-25 03:07:43,">>48556622
lol whatever faggot go back to reddit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793663
48555203,48556641,2015-07-25 03:07:56,">>48556507
It does (at least seem to) tend to work. But that's not logical justification for anything. It's illogical. Definitively.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437793676
48555203,48556642,2015-07-25 03:08:00,">>48555312
10/10 if troll
7/10 if pasta",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437793680
48555203,48556652,2015-07-25 03:08:19,">dat poster to post ratio
These threads are the new /leftypol/ general
please go back to two cubed chan and quit being so obvious with your forum sliding",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793699
48555203,48556678,2015-07-25 03:08:58,">>48556636
What an ignorant fool. while you are dabbleing in your archaic scriptures we will rule the stars.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793738
48555203,48556683,2015-07-25 03:09:04,">>48556622
>>48556636",,Anonymous,1434024292830.jpg,NhO+vNExLLLUWzxTq+O5Sw==,AU,,1437793744
48555203,48556688,2015-07-25 03:09:13,">>48555203
I like this verse.
>The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
Iron Chariots > God's power",,Anonymous,1425681933025.png,qidbV6+34/MDyxpfkdd31A==,US,,1437793753
48555203,48556693,2015-07-25 03:09:27,">>48556652
>a thread isn't a bunch of random people chiming in with single posts
>it is people that stick around and have long, thoughtful discussions
How is this a bad thing?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793767
48555203,48556703,2015-07-25 03:09:45,">>48556678
go suck a dick faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793785
48555203,48556704,2015-07-25 03:09:48,">>48556592
>>48556622
>>48556636
Hello friend. Did you know /pol/ has thread ids?",,Praceteom,1433925963087.png,85teh3jpxaG810YCrHpPVw==,US,,1437793788
48555203,48556751,2015-07-25 03:11:11,">>48556678
>>48556703
Why do you abuse yourself?",,Anonymous,e34a69af9f89264f4f5b2268f5c6a588f09dd634414076dba191d4ed6e99493f.jpg,nvAvoO6naiOrWwTXnV6MRg==,US,,1437793871
48555203,48556753,2015-07-25 03:11:14,">>48556703
I am never coming back to this bigoted website, you may have won this time but progressives always win in the end.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793874
48555203,48556762,2015-07-25 03:11:30,">>48556642
>this is 10/10 trolling to you
Holy fuck you redditors are obvious.
>>48556704
Pao broke reddit out of their containment, they think when we tell them to fuck off it's the next epic meme and they're in on the joke, they think we don't seriously mean it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793890
48555203,48556763,2015-07-25 03:11:34,">>48555312
>I have prayed to THE LORD for intellectual superpowers
>feel the wrath of my philosophical genius you intellectual cripples
>wait for it here come my arguments
>quake on your knees sinners
>here they come.........
>YOU'RE ALL FROM REDDIT AND YOUR CARTOON SMELLS OF POO",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437793894
48555203,48556773,2015-07-25 03:11:58,">>48556704
you have to admit though ""reddit posts willl be read like scriptures"" is pretty damn good trolling",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793918
48555203,48556781,2015-07-25 03:12:16,">>48556688
Yfw iron is the weakness of certain demons",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1437793936
48555203,48556782,2015-07-25 03:12:16,">Atheism General
>It's one guy arguing with himself",,Anonymous,1435050233489.jpg,NtOIzlcdYUGBS43iudN2fA==,AU,,1437793936
48555203,48556799,2015-07-25 03:12:46,">>48556753
lol bye faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437793966
48555203,48556818,2015-07-25 03:13:22,">>48556546
You just admitted you just live in your own head. You really don't believe in science.....Again you say this but until you do things like the examples I mentioned you don't really believe it. 
>What people actually *do* is irrelevant to the strength of the argument.
I never meant this. What I meant is that the problem of induction would for instance also mean that after the 99 times starting a car with petrol it would be completely logical to have it start the 100th time without any. This is nonsense of course. Philosophy is intersting and can be helpful but for discovering truths about the world it's trumped by science for sure. Especially when you disconnect it from reality so much as you do in the extreme with the problem of induction.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437794002
48555203,48556825,2015-07-25 03:13:33,">>48556782
>Australians
>shitposting",,Anonymous,ITRUBSTHELOTION.jpg,QTPSZYvfsNrJECgaCvP7iA==,US,,1437794013
48555203,48556828,2015-07-25 03:13:35,">>48556462
even Christians think the bible was written by humans by ""divinly inspired"" 
>>48556598
Let's think about the great men in history. The one who shaped the world. Alexander the great was one. He was the exact opposite of Christian virtues. No mercy, not humble, no pity he isn't one of the ""blessed meek"".
It's clear when you look at the important people in history pity, mercy, and humbleness are the last fucking thing you want. They are pussy values.
Good every once in awhile but they are by no means the cornerstone of society. Use them sparringly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794015
48555203,48556832,2015-07-25 03:13:45,">>48556592
>>48556622
>>48556636
>>48556678
>>48556703
>>48556753
>>48556799
fuck off samefag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794025
48555203,48556840,2015-07-25 03:14:01,">>48556763
How embarrassing, you're trying to turn the fedorapastas on le christfags XD to be accepted?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794041
48555203,48556870,2015-07-25 03:14:53,">>48556688
in the UFO circle they like to interprete the chariots of iron as aliens.
God is also an an alien that has sided with the jews and he is fighting other aliens that sided with other humans.
Pretty awesome.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794093
48555203,48556890,2015-07-25 03:15:31,>not doing both at the same time,,Anonymous,whoaaaaanelly.jpg,UsrgJIKEc5JM6Ck8C+v3uA==,PR,,1437794131
48555203,48556938,2015-07-25 03:16:56,">>48556762
Holyshit, newfig passing as oldfig
Pls post pics of your 4chan folder along with dates
>inb4 muh broken harddrive
>inb4 common pepe.png",,Anonymous,1437766182689.gif,HwfuBybNehxGM5ACzbfeJg==,GB,,1437794216
48555203,48556945,2015-07-25 03:17:11,">>48556828
>Let's think about the great men in history
>Goes on to list a man who wasn't great at all, but was a megalomaniac and psychopath
No man is more important or less important than any other. But they will all be judged m8, and it'll be Christian virtues that see them judged more favorably.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437794231
48555203,48556976,2015-07-25 03:17:55,">>48556840
Ebic philosophy m8..
You're a professor aren't you?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437794275
48555203,48557001,2015-07-25 03:18:39,">>48556641
Agreed, it is not a logical justification. Logic would conclude with something certain, which I can't do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794319
48555203,48557014,2015-07-25 03:19:06,">>48556818
>You just admitted you just live in your own head. You really don't believe in science.
Huh? Where?
>What I meant is that the problem of induction would for instance also mean that after the 99 times starting a car with petrol it would be completely logical to have it start the 100th time without any
No, it's not the problem of induction that dictates that. It's logic itself. There is nothing illogical whatsoever about a car running without gas.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437794346
48555203,48557059,2015-07-25 03:20:24,">>48555993
>2chan did
I remember you.",,Anonymous,4chan Cube Pixel.jpg,N6I2cocKY6zZ8gguQTrO3Q==,US,,1437794424
48555203,48557083,2015-07-25 03:21:12,">>48557001
Ok, I just wanted to be clear that logic isn't on the physicalist/empiricist side. So long as you understand you're accepting on faith and not logic that the world isn't gonna punch you in the mouth.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437794472
48555203,48557103,2015-07-25 03:21:51,">>48556400
>People with a view that all morals are subjective slide to extremism.
Yes, god it sure is scary to be religious, atheist extremists running the streets, chopping off religious peoples heads and voting in highly bias officials into office!
Oh wait...
That's not true at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794511
48555203,48557167,2015-07-25 03:24:19,">>48556938
When did I say I was an oldfig?
Grasping for straws? I accused you of being a redditor.
>h-hehe, let me post the ironic :^) meme I found back on imgur, that'll show him... everyone in the thread will think i'm an oldfag and surely take my side...
>>48556976
nah man, I learn all of my philosophy and science from quotes on /r/atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794659
48555203,48557173,2015-07-25 03:24:25,">>48557014
>Huh? Where?
You did it again: 
>There is nothing illogical whatsoever about a car running without gas.
This is a very unscientific belief. Can't believe i have to spell that out.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437794665
48555203,48557176,2015-07-25 03:24:36,">>48557083
>you're accepting on faith
But it works. It isn't some blind faith. Sorry the universe isn't philosophically pleasing or run on logic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794676
48555203,48557200,2015-07-25 03:25:26,">>48557173
>This is a very unscientific belief
Are you *really* conflating science with logic? *REALLY*?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437794726
48555203,48557279,2015-07-25 03:28:07,">>48557176
>But it works. It isn't some blind faith
When you have no idea how anything does anything, and come only come to the conclusion that you *might* not be working with sheer illusions, I'm pretty sure you've got a blind faith.
I would not be so pleased to just abandon logic. Well whatever. At least you're intellectually honest about it.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437794887
48555203,48557296,2015-07-25 03:28:48,">>48555203
There's some pretty funny stuff in the gnostic gospels.
There's a story where Joseph, Mary, and child Jesus stop to rest in a cave, but there are dragons in the cave so Jesus tames them.
There's another story where kid Jesus is walking around town and a boy bumps into him. So Jesus fucking murders him.",,Anonymous,this is what christians actually believe.jpg,71bvqCBGVBHtwGsrKSuz8A==,US,,1437794928
48555203,48557311,2015-07-25 03:29:16,">>48557279
the problem with logic is that it is that logic does not prove itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437794956
48555203,48557323,2015-07-25 03:29:37,">>48557296
Blue dragons are the best chromatic dragons.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437794977
48555203,48557332,2015-07-25 03:30:04,">>48556945
so everyone in history is equal.
The greatest leaders, conquers, and thinkers are all equal to hikki neets that watch anime all their life?
Well I guess that's your opinion but man...your world view is pretty lame.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795004
48555203,48557341,2015-07-25 03:30:13,">>48557296
By the gospel of John were almost getting to the point of Jesus fan fiction",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795013
48555203,48557349,2015-07-25 03:30:32,">>48557103
>atheist extremists running the streets, chopping off religious peoples heads and voting in highly bias officials into office
>implying that this isn't bullshit
>Martyrs of Compiègne
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_Compi%C3%A8gne
>The Martyrs of Compiègne were the 16 members of the Carmel of Compiègne, France: 11 Discalced Carmelite nuns, three lay sisters, and two externs (tertiaries of the Order, who would handle the community's needs outside the monastery). During the French Revolution, they refused to obey the Civil Constitution of the Clergy of the Revolutionary government, which mandated the suppression of their monastery.
>They were guillotined on 17 July 1794, during the Reign of Terror and buried in a mass grave at Picpus Cemetery.
You don't know SHIT about the French Revolution.",,Anonymous,1429602678248.gif,l573LzhWV8A6xPg9azjiGQ==,US,,1437795032
48555203,48557352,2015-07-25 03:30:38,">>48557311
Do you want a self-justifying axiom? I've got one for you.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795038
48555203,48557365,2015-07-25 03:31:00,">>48557323
>Praceteom having shit opinions as usual
Red is best chromatic, Gold is best metallic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795060
48555203,48557374,2015-07-25 03:31:18,">>48557279
>When you have no idea how anything does anything, and come only come to the conclusion that you *might* not be working with sheer illusions, I'm pretty sure you've got a blind faith.
Nope, see >>48550098
Also, you're the only one that claims everyone should only use blind faith. See >>48551193",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795078
48555203,48557391,2015-07-25 03:31:47,">>48557200
Dude, you started by saying that the problem of induction is a problem for science. I agreed with you that it is but that more of in a fun thought experiment kind of way than anything else. Logic dictates the car can run without gas, science says it can't. You choose the side of logic. The problem of induction is really of no relevance to the real world. That's why it's a weak argument if you want to use it for existence of god or something.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437795107
48555203,48557397,2015-07-25 03:31:58,">>48557352
>self-justifying axiom
sure",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795118
48555203,48557401,2015-07-25 03:32:07,">>48557332
My world is pretty great. It doesn't encourage death, violence, and subjugation for nothing but the chance of hedonistic material splendor and floated egos.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795127
48555203,48557413,2015-07-25 03:32:20,">>48557167
Triggered tbh",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437795140
48555203,48557420,2015-07-25 03:32:32,">>48557365
Blues > reds, but I'll agree with gold.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795152
48555203,48557425,2015-07-25 03:32:37,">>48557365
I mean, come on. Who wouldn't want to be bros with this majestic mother fucker?",,Anonymous,1437763830583[1].gif,+hdkcSINiK0EXDQgAI7uqw==,US,,1437795157
48555203,48557437,2015-07-25 03:33:08,">>48557397
God.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795188
48555203,48557475,2015-07-25 03:34:26,">>48557437
>a self-justifying axiom
are you sure you didn't mean an example of special pleading?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795266
48555203,48557483,2015-07-25 03:34:44,">>48557296
>the apocrypha
I see you read cracked.com for your theologicall sources. Truly impressive",,Anonymous,1435315504442.jpg,qpAl5lvjrMyL5POHSSUjkQ==,AT,,1437795284
48555203,48557540,2015-07-25 03:36:25,">>48557391
>Dude, you started by saying that the problem of induction is a problem for science
It's a problem for anyone concerned with logical justification for making causal inferences. Which should be everyone, not just scientists.
>Logic dictates the car can run without gas, science says it can't
Actually science doesn't say it can't. It either says it can if it sees an explanation for how it can, or it says ""I don't see how it could"". Science should want to conform to logic - logic is the closest thing to an always true law that we have.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795385
48555203,48557556,2015-07-25 03:36:41,,,Anonymous,justfuckmyshitup.png,bA4fAH8lneEqYvsooDaePQ==,US,,1437795401
48555203,48557562,2015-07-25 03:37:02,">>48557483
Friendly reminder that those could have been normal books of the bible but were kept out by a committee.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795422
48555203,48557586,2015-07-25 03:37:30,,,Anonymous,djYPOH6.jpg,f6cEHwRPFF+fJYqbajpYBQ==,US,,1437795450
48555203,48557612,2015-07-25 03:38:23,">>48557475
God is an independently self-justifying axiom. That's not something anybody in modern philosophy really contests.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795503
48555203,48557628,2015-07-25 03:39:02,">>48557612
source or at the fuck out",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795542
48555203,48557635,2015-07-25 03:39:13,">>48557612
>an axiom
>needing justification
wat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795553
48555203,48557660,2015-07-25 03:40:01,,,Anonymous,atheistsarebronies.png,0mJvhdRxV7mVls8EE8WW1A==,US,,1437795601
48555203,48557683,2015-07-25 03:40:41,">>48557660
>tam crooze
>christian",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437795641
48555203,48557710,2015-07-25 03:41:42,">>48557683
Hark! so that is the average atheist! you have just been hoodwinked you faggot fedora!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795702
48555203,48557778,2015-07-25 03:43:52,">>48557628
Godel mang. Godel.
http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/cbenzmueller/papers/C40.pdf
>>48557635
He doesn't think logic is axiomatic. But if your starting point is God, then God justifies Himself and everything else besides. That's one of the precepts to the formal definition of the omni-God of Christianity and Judaism.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795832
48555203,48557799,2015-07-25 03:44:32,">>48557556
>>48557586
>>48557660",,Anonymous,HURR.png,ddVYKLbnzVpj750lF3rngQ==,US,,1437795872
48555203,48557803,2015-07-25 03:44:36,">>48557540
>Actually science doesn't say it can't.
It does say it can't. We know enough about the workings of engines that a petrol engine will never run without fuel. 
>Science should want to conform to logic. 
Of course there is plenty of logic in science. The problem is you take logic as the starting point with disregard for evidence. It leads you to say fantastically stupid shit like the engine can run without petrol. This never happened and will never happen but because of your dogmatic thinking you say it can. Philosophy without science and evidence for it's claims isn't very valuable. There's a reason why there aren't really any natural philosophers around anymore. Science is much better at finding truths.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437795876
48555203,48557822,2015-07-25 03:45:13,">>48557778
Really? Can you show me the logic going from the God axiom to him creating the universe the way he did?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795913
48555203,48557824,2015-07-25 03:45:18,">>48557540
>Science should want to conform to logic >logic is the closest thing to an always true law that we have.
This is completely wrong. First off„ logic deals with what we know, not with what we don't know or what we've actually gotten completely wrong. Secondly, logic highly depends on what you put in it. It suffers from GIGO: garbage in, garbage out.
Finally, logic can only test the internal consistency of an idea, that is the consistency of a few propositions with themselves. It cannot test external consistency, which is the consistency with reality. To test this, you need to make empirical observations",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437795918
48555203,48557838,2015-07-25 03:45:39,">>48557799
RETARD ALERT!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795939
48555203,48557863,2015-07-25 03:46:11,">>48557803
>It does say it can't. We know enough about the workings of engines that a petrol engine will never run without fuel.
You're really not getting it, but that happens alot with second-language barrier.
Read http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/#JusInd",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437795971
48555203,48557864,2015-07-25 03:46:13,>>48557838,,Anonymous,try harder square.jpg,lXpZDloQN4dUcRRVxWJrOQ==,US,,1437795973
48555203,48557870,2015-07-25 03:46:18,">>48557838
But he's right :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437795978
48555203,48557903,2015-07-25 03:47:30,">>48555203
>muh foxhole",,Anonymous,1436912375439.jpg,9t4UUic+RyTq6Qk0bcdbVw==,AU,,1437796050
48555203,48557951,2015-07-25 03:48:47,">>48557824
>First off„ logic deals with what we know
Wrong on square one. Logic doesn't deal with anything but itself. It's a literally just a check mechanism for propositions - propositions which could exist entirely seperate what we know or don't know.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796127
48555203,48558001,2015-07-25 03:50:12,">>48557822
What are you asking? You're asking me to tell you God's reasoning? God's reasoning doesn't necessarily have anything to do with logic, because if our starting point is God then God created logic to begin with.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796212
48555203,48558029,2015-07-25 03:51:10,">>48558001
Uhh... you just said God could be an axiom. Usually axioms have some lines under them leading to some conclusions...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437796270
48555203,48558047,2015-07-25 03:51:52,">>48557951
Not really, since if they don't deal with what we know, they would be completely useless. We wouldn't be able to derive anything meaningful from them",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437796312
48555203,48558073,2015-07-25 03:52:42,">>48558029
Everything.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796362
48555203,48558089,2015-07-25 03:53:13,">>48558047
Who's talking about usefulness? Certainly not me, and certainly not Hume.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796393
48555203,48558103,2015-07-25 03:53:47,">>48557863
How about you summarize that bullshit.
It reads like something you'd write when you're high in drugs.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437796427
48555203,48558108,2015-07-25 03:54:02,">>48558073
Okay, then show me those steps.
How do we start from the God axiom and get to the universe as we know it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437796442
48555203,48558140,2015-07-25 03:55:08,">>48558073
Also, I could just say ""Induction works"" is my axiom. It would be just as bad as a copout",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437796508
48555203,48558169,2015-07-25 03:56:14,">>48558103
>It reads like something you'd write when you're high in drugs.
I have never heard anyone refer to an article of the Stanford motherfuckign Encyclopedia of Philosophy as such, nor do I ever expect to hear that again. Kudos Netherlands. Kudos.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796574
48555203,48558201,2015-07-25 03:57:38,">>48558103
Philosophy not rooted in reality is like that, yeah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437796658
48555203,48558208,2015-07-25 03:57:54,">>48557863
What do you mean? I think you're not getting it. 
Science and philosophy both want to say truths about the real world. You're leaning way to much to the philosophy side, I thougth the engine example would make it clear. But it seems you really are so entrenched in your formal logic that you would say such obvious nonsense completely disconnected from reality.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437796674
48555203,48558209,2015-07-25 03:57:58,">>48558169
This is why philosophy is bullshit.
They think up all kinds of retarded shit.
""How does induction work, man?""
""Dude, that's sooooo deep.""
How about you grab a fucking mathematics text book and see how it's derived.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437796678
48555203,48558226,2015-07-25 03:58:39,">>48558108
God made it.
>>48558140
""Induction works"" would be nonsensical. And who's saying I endorse God as an axiom? I brought it up because the other guy literally and unironically said ""well logic doesn't justify itself"". Literally and unironically.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796719
48555203,48558248,2015-07-25 03:59:21,">>48558089
Just about every serious thinker talks about usefulness. The whole point of reasoning is its use to create accurate models of reality, whatever that may be. 
Now, I don't find religious reasoning very useful, because it sets its conclusions in advance, defeating the entire purpose of reasoning in advance. The whole point of knowledge is that you have a certain set of questions, for which you don't know the answer. Reasoning is all about finding fitting answers to your questions, whatever they may be. Religious reasoning does the exact opposite. It starts with answers and then looks for fitting questions",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437796761
48555203,48558265,2015-07-25 04:00:04,">>48558209
>Tulipnigger not being a druggy for once
I'm pleasantly surprised",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437796804
48555203,48558297,2015-07-25 04:01:14,">>48558208
>Science and philosophy both want to say truths about the real world
No, science abandoned truth long ago. In years shortly before the first World War and shortly before the second science gave up on truth. Read up on the Vienna circle. They're concerned with ideology and dogmatism.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796874
48555203,48558306,2015-07-25 04:01:40,">>48558169
>I have never heard anyone refer to an article of the Stanford motherfuckign Encyclopedia of Philosophy as such
>it's an Encyclopedia from a university, therefore it's infallible
This is textbook scientism",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437796900
48555203,48558311,2015-07-25 04:01:54,">>48558209
I checked it out, that section he linked you to is quite readable. 
>>48558226
>""Induction works"" would be nonsensical.
Lol, doesn't matter if it's an axiom.
>God made it.
So let me get this straight.
axiom 1. God exists
2. Therefore God made a universe where the earth goes around the sun, instead of the other way around.
Wat? I don't see any connection between God and ""everything"" as we know it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437796914
48555203,48558347,2015-07-25 04:03:11,">>48558248
>The whole point of reasoning is its use to create accurate models of reality
Hardly. You reach moral conclusions through reasoning, which doesn't necessaily have anything *whatsoever* to do with ""accurate models of reality"". Science has literally nothing to say when it comes to moral reasoning. It's incapable.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437796991
48555203,48558362,2015-07-25 04:03:31,">>48558248
He's also wrong about Hume. Hume definitely liked induction for its usefulness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797011
48555203,48558399,2015-07-25 04:05:30,">>48558306
No, the article is good. Philosophers are skeptics and critics by nature, and those articles are the most reviewed and revised articles on general philosophy on the internet. Oh, they *might* be drivel. But I'll go with my own experience with them (and that one in particular) than with your assessment for having maybe skimmed it for a whole minute before your brain fried.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797130
48555203,48558401,2015-07-25 04:05:32,Thoughts?,,Anonymous,Morality.jpg,8ZPlazXYnF4Xbp8wUMKQqA==,US,,1437797132
48555203,48558406,2015-07-25 04:05:46,">>48558347
How could you possibly come to the right conclusions about ethics if you don't know anything about reality? Basing ethics on facts and opinions is much more reasonable than basing it off of fiction and opinions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797146
48555203,48558444,2015-07-25 04:07:15,">>48556448
Neopagan today is just another word for hippy atheist. Polytheists generally left the movement. I myself am a polytheistic animist...I am alone, mostly, and would rather keep it that way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797235
48555203,48558460,2015-07-25 04:07:58,">>48558297
>No, science abandoned truth long ago. In years shortly before the first World War and shortly before the second science gave up on truth
So ever since then, we've discovered nothing? We haven't landed on Mars, we didn't pass by Pluto, all of that actually happened before WW1?
This seriously has got to be the singlest most disconnected bunch of nonsense I've ever read. It truly shows that you have deified 'logic' as faultless and flawless, probably because you can't handle the fact that most of your beliefs have never been empirically verified, which means that you have to rely on the type of nonsensical thinking like Aquinas, where knowledge is gained through a premeditated set of flawless steps, which somehow produce perfect knowledge. Which isn't how knowledge is gained, at all",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437797278
48555203,48558467,2015-07-25 04:08:07,">>48558311
God is everything. Anything that exists can only exist via God. Ergo God made everything. Pls. This is taken care of in the formal definition of God.
A more interesting proof that doesn't take God as axiomatic is http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/cbenzmueller/papers/C40.pdf
You may enjoy it to your heart's content.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797287
48555203,48558479,2015-07-25 04:08:33,">>48558401
There are a few typos, places where the font messed up at the top, and cutoff at the bottom.
As a whole, the image raises more questions than it answers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797313
48555203,48558497,2015-07-25 04:09:20,">>48558406
>How could you possibly come to the right conclusions about ethics if you don't know anything about reality?
DCT comes to mind. Ethics via DCT are necessarily the right conclusions.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797360
48555203,48558513,2015-07-25 04:09:49,">>48558401
Breddy good, but it doesn't argue against degeneracy and rampant hedonism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797389
48555203,48558514,2015-07-25 04:09:54,">>48558479
Yeah I uploaded the wrong version: typos cut offs etc.
What's wrong with the content?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797394
48555203,48558520,2015-07-25 04:09:58,">>48558399
>Philosophers are skeptics and critics by nature, and those articles are the most reviewed and revised articles on general philosophy on the internet.
Yes, and by the induction fallacy that you just handwaved with, none of this means anything",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437797398
48555203,48558523,2015-07-25 04:10:02,">>48557778
I admit that I am an amature at phiosophy but after reading through that and a bit of research it seems that the study assumes the assumptions that make up his argument, of which he makes several about the nature of positive properties.
btw this isnt really related but are you a deist or a Christan?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797402
48555203,48558529,2015-07-25 04:10:24,">>48558467
>Anything that exists can only exist via God. Ergo God made everything.
Wait what. Where do you prove the Universe exists? So far we just have the axiom that God exists. Also, this says nothing about the nature of the universe. You can't start from the God axiom and derive modern physics for example.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797424
48555203,48558561,2015-07-25 04:11:49,">>48558520
Nah, I have a Cartesian out via the truthfulness of God. If you don't have God you're pretty fucked though.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797509
48555203,48558580,2015-07-25 04:12:37,">>48558497
DCT contradicts itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797557
48555203,48558614,2015-07-25 04:13:42,">>48558297
Dude now you're scaring me. You really are disconnected from reality. Or you would now that science has given us more knowledge about the world than philosophy ever could. You are way too dogmatic. 
Also, science has nothing to do with ideology and dogma, current science tries to be as objective as possible, ideology and dogma never come into play.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437797622
48555203,48558622,2015-07-25 04:14:04,">>48558523
I'm a Christian. You can try to argue against some of the assumptions, but the assumptions are necessary for coherence in most people's metaphysical groundworks. You can wrangle your way out, but that doesn't necessarily mean your finangling constitutes a rebuttal - more of just an alternative.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797644
48555203,48558659,2015-07-25 04:15:38,">>48558297
>science abandoned truth long ago
So can you explain how it keeps making huge leap forwards?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797738
48555203,48558660,2015-07-25 04:15:38,">>48558297
>Praceteom being schizophrenic as usual",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797738
48555203,48558671,2015-07-25 04:15:55,">>48558561
>via the truthfulness of God.
Which you assert and never demonstrate with actual evidence",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437797755
48555203,48558672,2015-07-25 04:16:03,">>48558401
After scanning through that, I think I lost at least 5 points of my IQ which I'll never get back ever again",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1437797763
48555203,48558693,2015-07-25 04:16:57,">>48558529
God is the universe. God necessitates everything else, because anything that is anything is by God.
>You can't start from the God axiom and derive modern physics for example.
Of course you can. You just utilize reduction. God is your axiom, and you connect the dots based on what God necessitates by virtue of His qualities.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797817
48555203,48558705,2015-07-25 04:17:14,">>48558297
Oh no! They abandoned truth! How horrible. What did they abandon it for.
>something that works to reveal truth more effectively than ever before
Uhh...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797834
48555203,48558707,2015-07-25 04:17:31,">>48558614
The nether-memes.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797851
48555203,48558728,2015-07-25 04:18:08,">>48558659
It keeps giving you things you like. Truth isn't necessarily profitable at all.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797888
48555203,48558732,2015-07-25 04:18:24,">>48558622
So basically we start with the assumption that God exists and everything after that is just jerking off? Every idea is made to support the one assumption, that God does exist.
This is how conspiracy theorists work. They start with the idea that there is an evil ""GANGSTER COMPUTER GOD"" and work backwards to explain how it came into existence and runs everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJLhnts9-oQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797904
48555203,48558755,2015-07-25 04:19:07,">>48558671
Descartes would disagree with you. But I suspect your qualification for what constitutes evidence is faulty to begin with.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797947
48555203,48558768,2015-07-25 04:19:35,">>48558705
>truth
Heh. Hehehe.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437797975
48555203,48558772,2015-07-25 04:19:47,">>48558728
So truth isn't new physics and technology discovers.
Truth is whatever the fuck Praceteom defines it as.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437797987
48555203,48558784,2015-07-25 04:20:17,">>48558732
Godel doesn't assume God. You're lost in this argument. Read the chain of replies.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798017
48555203,48558790,2015-07-25 04:20:27,">>48558693
>God is the universe.
Ah, so you're a pantheist. 
>God is your axiom, and you connect the dots based on what God necessitates by virtue of His qualities.
Way to abandon the logic you so proudly tout",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798027
48555203,48558810,2015-07-25 04:21:03,">>48558768
>""hehehe"" he types on his computer
:^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798063
48555203,48558874,2015-07-25 04:23:31,">>48558772
Are you meme'ing? 'Truth' is what is actually happening. What actually occurs. What the underpinnings of existence actually are. We don't have the means of verifying what actually constitutes truth. Physicalists/empiricists are utterly incapable.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798211
48555203,48558876,2015-07-25 04:23:33,">>48558622
a proof that you can present a credible alternative too does not constitute evidence, though I admit that was not what was originally asked.
to that, how is it a self-justifying axiom?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798213
48555203,48558907,2015-07-25 04:24:48,">>48558790
I'm literally meme'ing in this whole line of thought. I've told you that *within* this conversation. It's in both the tone and the text itself.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798288
48555203,48558921,2015-07-25 04:25:27,">>48558755
My definition of evidence is something that is consistently defined, testable, falsifiable and repeatable. And if you define 'faulty' as 'something that doesn't get me to my preconceived answer I fixed in advance', then yeah, I guess it's pretty faulty",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437798327
48555203,48558951,2015-07-25 04:26:50,">>48558907
Ah, so you being a Christian is the long troll then?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798410
48555203,48558952,2015-07-25 04:26:52,">>48558876
>how is it a self-justifying axiom?
In the same way that logic isn't a self-justifying axiom. At which you should direct your question to >>48557475 and subsequently meme with >>48557635",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798412
48555203,48558962,2015-07-25 04:27:23,">>48558874
We humans are concerned with WHAT IS USEFUL.
If we figure out how to make a new technology that is USEFUL. If we learn from the sciences it will someday help us make new technology thus science is USEFUL
If we invent a philosophy that makes us get shit done it is USEFUL. We could fucking lie to people, CREATE UNTRUTH and it would be great if it were USFUL
In other words the Usefulness of something is more important than it's truth.
There by science and philosophy matter that's why we keep them. If religion is not useful we will decrease it and eventually throw it away.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798443
48555203,48558973,2015-07-25 04:27:48,">>48558874
>Physicalists/empiricists are utterly incapable.
That must be why empirical medicine eradicated smallpox, because it's such a failure",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437798468
48555203,48558982,2015-07-25 04:28:09,">>48558951
I'm Christian. That line off thought was implementing babby bad logic when you responded to a very obviously sarcastic remark.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798489
48555203,48559001,2015-07-25 04:28:58,">>48558982
Ah, tell me about non-babby logic about Christianity then.
This should be fun :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798538
48555203,48559035,2015-07-25 04:30:24,">>48558962
>We humans are concerned with WHAT IS USEFUL
Nah. I'm concerned with what's true. I don't care about what happens physically. Not primarily. Pragmatism isn't interesting in the slightest.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798624
48555203,48559051,2015-07-25 04:31:16,">>48559001
http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/cbenzmueller/papers/C40.pdf
Enjoy. I'm going to bed. I'm sure fedora-chan will make more threads, so catch you later nerd.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1437798676
48555203,48559063,2015-07-25 04:31:53,">>48558707
What? Sounds like you've given up.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437798713
48555203,48559094,2015-07-25 04:33:15,">>48559035
What is useful for you is a truth that allows your God to exist.
You like everyone else is only concerned with the usefulness of something.
If you really believed the usefulness of something had no value you would for instance see no problem no cutting off your legs. They are useful.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798795
48555203,48559113,2015-07-25 04:33:56,">>48559051
>Godel's proof
My fucking sides
>God exists because existing is good and God has to be good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798836
48555203,48559176,2015-07-25 04:36:11,Jeremy go the fuck to bed.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437798971
48555203,48559207,2015-07-25 04:37:26,">>48559051
>http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/cbenzmueller/papers/C40.pdf
If you actually read that you would know that the article is about a computer being able to replicate a human made argument.
>This is a landmark result, with media repercussion in a global scale, and yet it is only a glimpse of what can be achieved by combining computer science, philosophy and theology
LOL! Media repercussion on a global scale, arrogant little shits.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437799046
48555203,48559249,2015-07-25 04:39:11,">>48559113
I know you have your own debate style but I think you would get better results with a few arrows, well timed mockeries.
The goal of these discussions is not actually to make the theist realize he is wrong (he will always believe, it is these types of people that come to debate) but to make an impression on those reading: people on the fence, lesser atheists that need to learn rhetoric, idlers and such.",,Anonymous,1437270809551.jpg,z1/ta7Unw/vJ2reQv/4rPQ==,US,,1437799151
48555203,48559283,2015-07-25 04:40:48,">>48559249
I pointed out how ridiculous Godel's argument for god is in a single sentence.
What more do you want?
Here:
>Existing is good
>Elves have to be good
>therefore elves exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437799248
48555203,48559403,2015-07-25 04:45:20,">>48559051
Also, I'd like to point out I asked you for your logic about CHRISTIANITY. Not an abstract God thing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437799520
48555203,48559430,2015-07-25 04:46:17,">>48559051
And oh look, that website you linked so much has a section for it:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#GodOntArg
It explains it then explains why it is terrible",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437799577
48555203,48559460,2015-07-25 04:47:43,">>48559430
Noice",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437799663
48555203,48559649,2015-07-25 04:54:44,">>48559207
>If you actually read that you would know that the article is about a computer being able to replicate a human made argument
Doesn't that mean the humans argument was logically sound?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437800084
48555203,48559731,2015-07-25 04:58:07,">>48559430
the website itself does appear to be a really great resource in general but thanks for finding that in particular",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437800287
48555203,48559769,2015-07-25 04:59:36,">>48559649
only if you accept the axioms on which it was built. it shows that the argument itself is sound but not necessarily the assumptions it used",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437800376
48555203,48560966,2015-07-25 05:43:42,fuck you all,,Anonymous,,,HR,,1437803022
48555203,48561042,2015-07-25 05:47:15,">>48555203
Athiests.
Friendly theist here.
What is death in a godless world?
How does a mind just disappear?
Energy cannot be destroyed or created in a closed system, correct?
Do you think or wonder about a scientifically viable afterlife?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437803235
48555203,48563379,2015-07-25 07:26:35,">>48561042
Sure your energy will remain, but no consciousness from your brain, so you won't be aware of it. Does that really count as an afterlife? 
Sure I mean it is possible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437809195
48555203,48563926,2015-07-25 07:48:16,">>48561042
Do you think pigeons have an afterlife just because energy can't be destroyed? What about plankton or bacteria or virus cells?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437810496
48578411,48578411,2015-07-25 14:41:04,"Replace worship with curiosity, devotion with diligence, holiness with sincerity, ritual with study, and scripture with the whole world and the whole of human learning. It is our duty to question all things, and to ground our beliefs in what is well-investigated and well-proved, rather than what is merely well-asserted or well-liked. Instead of keeping your nose buried in your book, read widely and constantly. Instead of aligning yourself with this or that view and keeping only like-minded company, you should mingle and discuss all views with everyone. And above all, commit yourself to the constant study and application of language, logic, and method, and seek always to perfect, by testing and correcting, your total view of all things.
Today's thread request: A link to an awesome video or article that you feel is worth sharing.",Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_chan_classy.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1437835264
48578411,48578538,2015-07-25 14:43:56,">>48578411
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,MvurxBj6fhkdqu1/OV1HgA==,US,,1437835436
48578411,48578578,2015-07-25 14:44:55,">>48578538
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437835495
48578411,48578602,2015-07-25 14:45:36,">>48578578
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1437835536
48578411,48578666,2015-07-25 14:46:59,">>48578602
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437835619
48578411,48578897,2015-07-25 14:53:03,"Explain miracles like:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fátima
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptibility
Not to mention it is confirmed by sources outside of the Bible that Jesus existed and was crucified under Pontius Pilate. You can still argue if He was the Son of God, but Christianity already has much better fundamentals than other religions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437835983
48578411,48578949,2015-07-25 14:54:31,">>48578411
Peace be with you.",,Anonymous,jesus-christ-pics-2001.jpg,+Rt9DBBbI+NUW4iw9X+fTA==,GB,,1437836071
48578411,48579013,2015-07-25 14:56:02,">>48578897
Oh hey, you must be from the Christ thread. You should know you've already been replied to. The first two are hearsay and the third one is mummies.
>>48578949
pls no crusade",,Anonymous,uncolored_sword.jpg,2hWOK1cgsj3hlWlfr7U9+g==,US,,1437836162
48578411,48579053,2015-07-25 14:56:57,I prefer to have belief in what I believe in. Life is more fun that way.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836217
48578411,48579095,2015-07-25 14:58:09,">>48579053
If you're just taking things on blind faith you might as well just open up a book of religions to a random page and join the one there",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836289
48578411,48579194,2015-07-25 15:00:38,">>48579053
>I prefer to have belief in what I believe in. Life is more fun that way.
What if I could show you the things you believe in are logically impossible?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836438
48578411,48579283,2015-07-25 15:02:33,">>48579095
Faith is almost always blind, or very fuzzy, is it not? That's part of the enjoyment. I enjoy my worldview, as you enjoy yours, yes? I don't care anymore that it may be illogical as its not a popularity contest. If I'm wrong, it doesn't matter. 
It's not like I'm against scientific advancements or something. I really wish they'd pump more cash into NASA.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836553
48578411,48579308,2015-07-25 15:03:16,">>48579013
No promises ;)",,Anonymous,deusvult.jpg,2js3lfWhWjET1+skOotYlQ==,GB,,1437836596
48578411,48579375,2015-07-25 15:04:39,">>48579283
Well, see, that's just the thing. How do you come to the conclusion we should pump more cash into NASA? It certainly isn't blind faith.
You KNOW that giving money to NASA will increase scientific advancement, which is something you WANT. Which you will enjoy when it happens.
See? No blind faith.
Now God on the other hand...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836679
48578411,48579443,2015-07-25 15:06:20,">>48579308
When will they draw Fedora-chan and Christ-chan holding hands and almost kissing?",,Anonymous,vPPcaRX.jpg,ZQv9EVYpin0dOgstZJtiwA==,US,,1437836780
48578411,48579570,2015-07-25 15:09:35,">>48578411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtI-lSvS028
Examines Old Testament descriptions of God and his activity (yes God in old testament does have a physical appearence).
Sounds a LOT like a Volcano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZY2eeozdo8
A history of the old testament and how it went from poly theism to monotheism. Mentions how the texts were revised and rewritten.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836975
48578411,48579579,2015-07-25 15:09:47,">>48579375
You miss why I believe then. I find enjoyment in my belief, and perhaps tinker in the hidden areas within it. I don't take it to the extreme of your usual evangelist, though. What I do is between me and what disembodied intelligences may be out there. Could it all be delusion? Sure. You are most certain it is. I'm aware it could be. But, oh well. It's fun.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437836987
48578411,48579699,2015-07-25 15:12:36,Thoughts?,,Anonymous,babel.png,l4mSRtR5xlopEOTTDBBcJg==,US,,1437837156
48578411,48579708,2015-07-25 15:12:53,">>48579570
Interesting! Old Testament be crazy as shit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837173
48578411,48579760,2015-07-25 15:14:01,>>48579708,,Anonymous,kike religion.png,i2OzurWdPrz8rOUNytAosA==,US,,1437837241
48578411,48579764,2015-07-25 15:14:05,">>48579579
There is really no argument about this.
It's like someone saying ""I literally believe my waifu is real. I find enjoyment in it""
It might be unhealthy but it's their choice to be unhealthy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837245
48578411,48579775,2015-07-25 15:14:23,">>48579570
>A history of the old testament and how it went from poly theism to monotheism. Mentions how the texts were revised and rewritten
Another interesting book on this is The Rise of Yahwism by J.C. de Moor",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437837263
48578411,48579804,2015-07-25 15:14:50,">>48579579
We're just saying you could find more enjoyment in this world if you seek out the things that give you lasting happiness, rather than escaping into your mind for catharsis",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837290
48578411,48579829,2015-07-25 15:15:18,">>48578411
It is your duty to undermine Christians while promoting multiculturalism.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437837318
48578411,48579846,2015-07-25 15:15:35,">>48579764
If that's how you'd like to see it! I prefer it that way, anyway. Fewer people to be bothered with.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837335
48578411,48579863,2015-07-25 15:16:05,">>48579699
Absolutely fucking awesome. Saved",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437837365
48578411,48579899,2015-07-25 15:16:52,">>48579570
Derp
The whole old testament is a testament of the Prophets against the Polytheists. 
> Atheists in charge of pointing out the obvious",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437837412
48578411,48579938,2015-07-25 15:17:51,">>48579804
It does give a lasting happiness, much like a craft for me. Just because you do not does not mean others won't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837471
48578411,48579941,2015-07-25 15:17:54,">>48579829
The only non-white culture we tolerate is Japan because of their cute anime lolis.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837474
48578411,48579944,2015-07-25 15:17:59,,,Anonymous,dca.png,ot+n3DRBj7E2Z86v26siwQ==,GB,,1437837479
48578411,48579959,2015-07-25 15:18:08,">>48579899
Guys, I'm not a polytheist! I just worship 3 Gods, and a few virgin demigods, and also a bunch of angels and saints",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837488
48578411,48580012,2015-07-25 15:19:36,">>48579699
> working together
kek, when the 0.1% control more wealth than the 99.9% of the people. 
working together, unbelievable fallacy.",,Anonymous,exps.jpg,N3OF8zb7NznlYuxlyeEt8w==,IE,,1437837576
48578411,48580033,2015-07-25 15:20:14,">>48579938
It's not how one would normally seek lasting happiness, as described here >>48579375
It's just a delusional dream, looking for happiness that way is like looking for happiness in drugs. It isn't lasting or meaningful happiness",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837614
48578411,48580041,2015-07-25 15:20:22,">>48579699
Tower of Babel wasn't a symbol of humanity working together. It was a symbol of the elite usurping the seat of God and considering themselves the God's of humanity. They manipulated and used the rest of humanity in order to achieve their goals. The Tower of Babel is a symbol of that.
That is why God destroyed it.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437837622
48578411,48580053,2015-07-25 15:20:37,">>48579443
Secular-catholicism-chan?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837637
48578411,48580073,2015-07-25 15:21:10,">>48579959
Who the hell are you talking to, and you accuse Christians of having imaginary friends.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437837670
48578411,48580104,2015-07-25 15:21:55,">>48579959
>I just worship 3 Gods,
Three Persons in one God. We aren't even the only religion to have that general concept.
>and a few virgin demigods
No.
>and also a bunch of angels and saints
No.
You calling the veneration of saints worship doesn't mean we actually worship them any more than a feminist calling the act looking at a woman rape makes the act rape.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837715
48578411,48580114,2015-07-25 15:22:11,">>48580012
Well, there are over 2 billion Christians in the world. Tis the world we are living in",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837731
48578411,48580130,2015-07-25 15:22:36,">>48580012
>>48580041
Fuck off you commie shits",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837756
48578411,48580163,2015-07-25 15:23:19,">>48580033
But you aren't me, so you wouldn't know exactly how I feel. Considering many people get lifelong pleasure from their beliefs, why would you think I could not? Maybe it's not for you, and that's fine.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837799
48578411,48580177,2015-07-25 15:23:32,">>48580041
This is the complete text of the story of babel. What you said is not part of the bible. You are making shit up. There is no elite in the story.
My version uses direct quotes. You make shit up.",,Anonymous,nope.png,xXqgCa1WRb6WOUshbw95tQ==,US,,1437837812
48578411,48580179,2015-07-25 15:23:35,">>48579699
The tower of Babel was destroyed because the people building it were saying that by building it they would put themselves on the level of God, which was the express reason it was built. Skyscrapers are built so that you can have a shitload of offices in one building without using up to much horizontal area.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837815
48578411,48580190,2015-07-25 15:23:51,">>48580104
>You calling the veneration of saints worship doesn't mean we actually worship them any more than a feminist calling the act looking at a woman rape makes the act rape.
It isn't rape because feminists say so. It is rape because Jesus says so:
Matthew 5:28
>But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.",,Anonymous,franco.jpg,LCcKHPVvlCPMNrO2tjtLtg==,US,,1437837831
48578411,48580205,2015-07-25 15:24:13,">>48580114
We are not living in a Christian world, America is controls the world and it is not Christian.
There is a difference between a Polytheist system and a Monotheist system. America is Polytheist.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437837853
48578411,48580244,2015-07-25 15:25:14,">>48580205
>america is polytheist
>all american leaders are christian
>70% of americans are christian
wat: the post",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837914
48578411,48580250,2015-07-25 15:25:23,">>48580190
>in his heart.
The heart is a muscular organ that pumps blood throughout the body. I don't understand how he means the heart to generate feelings.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837923
48578411,48580263,2015-07-25 15:25:43,">>48580190
Adultery, while incredibly wrong, is not the same thing as rape. Regardless, the point stands. You trying to change the definition doesn't matter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437837943
48578411,48580266,2015-07-25 15:25:46,">>48580179
So God's a towerphobe or something?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437837946
48578411,48580268,2015-07-25 15:25:47,">>48580130
This is not the 1970's or 80's, you can't call anyone Anti-American a Communist.
> monarchist",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437837947
48578411,48580275,2015-07-25 15:26:06,">>48578411
Nah, this is dumb.",,God,,,FR,,1437837966
48578411,48580293,2015-07-25 15:26:30,">>48580177
>tfw babylon cannot into space",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1437837990
48578411,48580301,2015-07-25 15:26:41,">>48580263
Adultery is sex. If you commit adultery with someone and they don't consent then that is rape.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838001
48578411,48580303,2015-07-25 15:26:44,">>48580275
>God is french
Explains the incompetence",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437838004
48578411,48580304,2015-07-25 15:26:44,">>48580179
>because the people building it were saying that by building it they would put themselves on the level of God
To make a name for themselves*
A good father would be proud of their children surpassing them, the fact that God is threatened by his children shows that he is a very poor father indeed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838004
48578411,48580344,2015-07-25 15:27:30,">>48580190
>>48580250
This relates to putting a spiritual and emotional bond onto someones wife, obviously your a perma-virgin.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437838050
48578411,48580346,2015-07-25 15:27:31,">>48580303
Why is your flag just sideways French flag? Originality much?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838051
48578411,48580378,2015-07-25 15:28:19,">>48580344
>wife
Jesus doesn't say anything about a waifu. He says ANYONE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838099
48578411,48580380,2015-07-25 15:28:20,">>48580179
Nope. It specifically says they did it ""to make a name for ourselves"" 
Your version does not match the text.
>>48580177",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838100
48578411,48580383,2015-07-25 15:28:24,">>48580205
So Miss Fortune and Lady Liberty are gods now?
>>48580268
>m-muh elites!
Pinko scum.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838104
48578411,48580396,2015-07-25 15:28:34,">>48578411
>A link to an awesome video or article that you feel is worth sharing.
Fantastic discussion on what happens when you die between Harris and Hitchens and two rabbis, who are in fairness quite intelligent and interesting as well. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjKJ92b9Y04
Hitchens utterly tearing apart a numpty that comes up with the old ""why don't you just shut up"" question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2LehsA1dk",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437838114
48578411,48580406,2015-07-25 15:28:45,">>48580344
>your
you're
>>48580346
pretty sure the Dutch flag was original.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437838125
48578411,48580472,2015-07-25 15:30:05,">>48580346
I don't know, why is your flag so asymmetrical? What are you, some kind of fancy elitist? Is a symmetrical flag too working class for you?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1437838205
48578411,48580480,2015-07-25 15:30:11,">>48580383
You're a retard, end of conversation.
> but it's not Christianity, therefore it is not a religion",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437838211
48578411,48580556,2015-07-25 15:31:38,">>48580380
That's what ""make a name for ourselves"" means.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838298
48578411,48580585,2015-07-25 15:32:18,">>48580472
>thinking things can only be symmetrical around the y or x axis
It's symmetrical around a diagonal axis.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838338
48578411,48580592,2015-07-25 15:32:27,">>48580480
Literal worship requires deliberate intent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838347
48578411,48580601,2015-07-25 15:32:45,">>48580344
>lustfully
>spiritual and emotional bond
Nah, I don't think so. Nice try but there's interpreting stuff metaphorically and then there is just claiming it says something different to what it actually says.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437838365
48578411,48580681,2015-07-25 15:34:09,"Meanwhile, in the Christ general:
Euphoria is exploding. These kids are literally God's chosen warriors for posting on 4chan",,Anonymous,gods_army.png,EtlLrfYqum0Hdh3n9MdZ7w==,US,,1437838449
48578411,48580707,2015-07-25 15:34:39,">>48580480
Shut up, Mexico",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838479
48578411,48580746,2015-07-25 15:35:26,">>48578411
I'm an atheist and you're a faggot. Let them believe what they want. 
Everyone dies, no-one particular person matters in the greater cosmic scheme. 
Just live your life, be a good person, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, find someone you enjoy life with, maybe have some kids, create something for yourself, and die happy knowing that you lived a full life.",,Anonymous,11002504_10206124288287226_1732359220188645542_n.jpg,fmKMisBc3KhJxaKW9BbUIg==,US,,1437838526
48578411,48580774,2015-07-25 15:35:59,">>48580681
When did 4chan become youtube?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838559
48578411,48580781,2015-07-25 15:36:07,">>48580681
also an autistic find from a previous catholic general. This guy made like 5 posts explaining these animes",,Anonymous,catholic_general.png,ex8FNjNpt+sz6XqjIow5CQ==,US,,1437838567
48578411,48580786,2015-07-25 15:36:15,">>48580681
These people literally believe that they are fighting the greatest threat to all mankind by shitposting!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838575
48578411,48580837,2015-07-25 15:37:18,">>48580746
>Everyone dies
Not for long.
>no-one particular person matters in the greater cosmic scheme.
Not with that attitude",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838638
48578411,48580861,2015-07-25 15:38:04,">Atheists have literaly no beliefs
>Have a general about their lack of beliefs
Are you just lonely? Explain your reasoning, it's like going onto /v/ or /vg/ and making a 'not playing games' general.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437838684
48578411,48580912,2015-07-25 15:39:02,">>48580746
>tells us to let them believe what they want
>goes on to tell us how to live our lives
Uhh..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838742
48578411,48580920,2015-07-25 15:39:15,">>48580861
atheist general is actually made by Christians. It's a containment thread to keep all the atheists out of Catholic and Christian general.
But don't tell the atheists that. They are being rused =p",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838755
48578411,48580978,2015-07-25 15:40:48,">>48580912
>Stop telling me how to tell others how to live their lives.",,Anonymous,1299235893271.jpg,F1HGnwjNtt7AA1pDgbGNRQ==,US,,1437838848
48578411,48580994,2015-07-25 15:41:11,">>48580861
Yeah, so what do people do when they aren't playing video games? 
A ton of fucking stuff. There is a lot to talk about in a godless universe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838871
48578411,48581034,2015-07-25 15:42:05,">>48578411
And you get Sweden thanks atheists.",,Anonymous,1434927511173.jpg,NrJqmbfYsRQqPWHcQ8MdBQ==,US,,1437838925
48578411,48581039,2015-07-25 15:42:10,">>48580012
>america provides more aid than the rest of the world combined
>responsible for every shit country that cant get it together
>wealth is a zero sum game
lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437838930
48578411,48581045,2015-07-25 15:42:22,">>48580994
They don't make a thread dedicated to not doing something.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437838942
48578411,48581058,2015-07-25 15:42:38,">>48580861
This is a politics board. If you think secularism vs religion isn't relevant to politics than, without wishing to be overly rude sir, you are a retard.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437838958
48578411,48581102,2015-07-25 15:43:38,">>48579944
>unclean
Every atheist I've met is literally this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839018
48578411,48581138,2015-07-25 15:44:26,">>48581102
 Idk, I shower twice a day. Once before work and once after the gym
I feel pretty clean.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839066
48578411,48581158,2015-07-25 15:44:55,">>48581034
Fuck off leftist and stop trying to ruin my country.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437839095
48578411,48581208,2015-07-25 15:46:07,">>48581058
>Addressing someone as 'sir' over the internet
Oh, of course, Atheist threads are just another bit of evidence for the Reddit infestation.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437839167
48578411,48581245,2015-07-25 15:46:45,">>48581138
After reading what you previously posted, you don't seem like the kinda of atheists who are vocal.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839205
48578411,48581333,2015-07-25 15:48:22,">>48581208
back to >>>r/christianity",,Anonymous,1437787433209.jpg,DMpH7p5LJrNmo6jCjvhJVw==,US,,1437839302
48578411,48581345,2015-07-25 15:48:32,">>48581208
I was just going to call you a retard but then I decided to be polite as the last minute.
Thanks for proving I should have gone with my first instincts retard.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437839312
48578411,48581358,2015-07-25 15:48:43,>>48581034,,Anonymous,The Christ.png,YETkEiZtYCikR/JwwaEPig==,US,,1437839323
48578411,48581397,2015-07-25 15:49:22,">>48581158
You lost when you said I was a leftist. Then why dose the left demonize religion. Nice attempt to sidestep with some obvious bs study.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839362
48578411,48581400,2015-07-25 15:49:24,">>48581333
>>>/mlp/",,Anonymous,Augustine of Peppo.jpg,VLx0OcSBzjO6sDbCleE4AA==,US,,1437839364
48578411,48581402,2015-07-25 15:49:26,MFW YOU CANT PROVE GOD EXISTS,,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437839366
48578411,48581463,2015-07-25 15:50:36,">>48581397
>why does the left demonize religion?",,Anonymous,Remember.png,XEdruR7c0izFQUV4rKzMVQ==,US,,1437839436
48578411,48581491,2015-07-25 15:51:09,">>48581402
MFW I BELIEVE ANYWAY",,Anonymous,le Christface.jpg,bpxXwQpNhfKZFqtCag8jNQ==,US,,1437839469
48578411,48581751,2015-07-25 15:56:37,">>48581245
I'll talk about it in polite conversation if I'm asked. I'm never - ""Hey, hows that whole sky-wizard thing working out?""
That's such a waste of time and energy and completely missed the point of engaging people as people. If faith comes up or someone asks me what church I attend, I politely say I'm an atheist and thank them for the consideration.
I know that a majority of prayer and invitations to faith events comes from a good place. That's why I dont shit my pants when someone says ""God bless you."" after I sneeze.
I'm a secular humanist and an atheist. My life doesn't revolve around that Identity and I think I have a pretty good life with two kids and a good middle-class job.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839797
48578411,48581769,2015-07-25 15:56:53,">>48581397
Bernie Sanders recently claimed that the pope, the leader of half the Christians worldwide agrees with him, right wing commentators in your own country have described him as a Marxist. I just provided you evidence that Christianity spreads left wing bullshit.
As for ""the left"" demonising religion that is ridiculous, your own leftist president is a raging Christian.
The left wing party in my country finished their party conference singing a Christian anthem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dfp4b6akU
I have to go to work now but if you could please stop spreading your degenerate leftist religion all over the place that would be much appreciated.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437839813
48578411,48581771,2015-07-25 15:56:56,">>48581463
And that is why we see an unbalanced Europe. Stupid commies who hate Europe. And think its evil because of whatever argument they pull out of their ass about colonialism or slavery whatever.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839816
48578411,48581889,2015-07-25 15:59:17,">>48581491
In what? Fairies? XD",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437839957
48578411,48581985,2015-07-25 16:01:22,">>48581769
He is an anti pope. You lost. Wining! look up Vatican 2.",,Anonymous,1435578183822.jpg,CwAP0tHpcR70fJxFqKY58w==,US,,1437840082
48578411,48582061,2015-07-25 16:02:59,">>48581769
And not only that but you are focusing on Catholics. What about Orthodox who do have doctrines that are pro folk and nation? I think you are a jew.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840179
48578411,48582256,2015-07-25 16:06:46,">>48582061
>pro folk and nation
I thought phyletism was a sin?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840406
48578411,48582289,2015-07-25 16:07:21,">>48581985
An anti-Pope is someone who is actively claiming to be a Pope in place of the ""real"" Pope. Outside of a few shitskins claiming Yahweh himself appointed them in person, there are no anti-popes. Francis was elected by the college of Cardinals. The Papacy was entirely within it's rights to choose to cut it's own cock off.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840441
48578411,48582312,2015-07-25 16:07:58,">>48582061
Anti-Semitism is a mortal sin in Eastern Orthodoxy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840478
48578411,48582387,2015-07-25 16:09:31,"Yeah I'm sure it's just coincidence that as domestic secularism has rose(75% of self identified Christians who don't go to church are secular), so has this insanity in the last 100 years?
300 years ago the governments of Europe(and by extension the West) agreed to be secular, but leave domestic affairs Christian due to the constant fighting and wars that erupted from different interpretations(more like under the guise for politcal gain)of the faith(but life went on).
This was a golden age, as nations could then make decesions in the best interest of the nation, while Christanity fostered a healthy community, family and self respect philosophy.
But now secularism for what ever reason(you know who) has spread to the domestic affairs, and by extension the family, the community and even the self has been compromised.
Nations continue to be secular and serve the interest of the people, but all the people want to do is eat, drink, fuck(but no kids), practice sodomy and mutilate themselves. They then use this ""logic""(which has always just been rationalizing) to justify their destructive behaviour and support it. 
The nations are all too happy to serve the people the poison which kills them, since after all, they serve the people, and the people serve themselves(and their justified insanity).
And so we import hundreds of thousands of immigrants into our nations to replace the children we don't have, from the families we don't build, to keep the bread and circus shows running, while those immigrants who conform fall victim to the same death machine, and those who don't multiply and plot revolution.
A revolution that neither I nor you atheist will very much enjoy.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,5qzn/N8tyme3G0SPoZFpNg==,CA,,1437840571
48578411,48582562,2015-07-25 16:13:22,">>48582387
Same shit, different year https://xkcd.com/1227/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840802
48578411,48582596,2015-07-25 16:13:56,">>48582289
Either way the pope isn't a real christian and would not advocate for homosexuality If he was. So not a real pope. So I guess I am degenerate for being anti gay....? 
>>48582312
I don't know much. The only Orthodox I know is Matt Heimbech. And he is very active in pro White and alt right goings on.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840836
48578411,48582642,2015-07-25 16:14:51,">>48578411
How about we replace atheists with actual humans? You know, the kind who have lived though the past 30 thousand years according you faggots. The kind who had the capacity to think abstractly and personify the forces at work in the universe.
You do believe in evolution, don't you? Surely you must see this ability is a product of the very evolution you jack off to each and every night.
But I forget. You only do that because it makes Christfags jealous. Isn't that right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437840891
48578411,48582704,2015-07-25 16:16:06,Autism general.,,Anonymous,atheists10.png,YKbGGB0vasbfaezTkFb9iQ==,DE,,1437840966
48578411,48582793,2015-07-25 16:17:48,">>48582642
What are you even saying? Thinking and being able to discern the truth is a product of evolution? Fuck yes it is",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437841068
48578411,48582796,2015-07-25 16:17:53,">>48582256
I don't think so. But I doubt it. Brother Nathanael seems pretty based and based on your definition of anti antisemitism he I think would be. 
https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437841073
48578411,48583126,2015-07-25 16:24:57,">>48582562
>>negative birth rate is typical in a thirving civilization
>>extreme propped up decadence is a sustainable economic model
>>politcal nihilism is fine
Your absolutely right, this is typical of history, Rome around 400 A.D or the Mayans around 900 A.D spring to mind.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,kItv7b4BREO7xqnEmcSpZw==,CA,,1437841497
48578411,48583239,2015-07-25 16:27:16,">>48583126
>muh civilization has fallen! 
You realize civilization is more advanced than it has ever been, right? And also more secular than ever",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437841636
48578411,48583476,2015-07-25 16:32:05,">>48583126
>MUH CIVILIZATION IS ENDING
>MUH DECADENCE
You know decadence is totally relative. 
Also what you're posting isn't a perfect formula for predicting the future. it's simply an observance of similar properties.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437841925
48578411,48583551,2015-07-25 16:33:16,">>48582704
See >>48580781 and
>>48580681",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437841996
48578411,48583773,2015-07-25 16:37:28,">>48583239
Every civilization has been more advanced then the next. From the Stone Age, to Rome, to Britian, to the United States. There is no piece of technology that can save humanity, only enable them, infact I'd go so far to say technology will hasten the fall as we no longer have the fumes of past civilization to propel us forward thanks to birth control, prevailing attitudes and more distractions and vice then Ceasar could have dreamed.
A advance society does not mean progress, the Middle East in the 1970s was equal technology wise to the West. Look now.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,x6sa4bxoe7uCXJ2qv7htjA==,CA,,1437842248
48578411,48583827,2015-07-25 16:38:38,">>48583773
add russia in last paned like russia then being manly and violent and russia now being more violent",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1437842318
48578411,48583974,2015-07-25 16:41:13,">>48583773
>Look now.
Look at what? They lost all their scientists and technology. If this is what falling means then civilization has always been rising",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437842473
48578411,48584184,2015-07-25 16:45:12,">>48580861
Atheism is the denial of the existence of a God. It's a philosophical position, not just a lack of belief.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437842712
48578411,48584244,2015-07-25 16:46:27,">>48583476
And you call yourself a man of learning, a man of reason, a man of science? To deny correlation of the natural world(when it's cloudy, if often rains) is to deny the very facilities that grant you reason. All because of pride.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437842787
48578411,48584438,2015-07-25 16:50:33,">>48583974
>>Technology is civilization.
Disgusting. It would not matter to you whether the splitting of the atom be used for plentiful clean power, or to lay waste to billions of people and their families. As long as it is had.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437843033
48578411,48584738,2015-07-25 16:56:53,">>48580861
> Atheists have no beliefs
Wat
>>48584184
Thats not true: When I was an atheist, I fully admitted that the existence of God is possible however no religions have any evidence on the natural world level so there wasn't any reason to believe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437843413
48578411,48585231,2015-07-25 17:07:03,">>48584738
He's making a strawman to knock it down 
>>48584438
Then tell me what I'm looking for in a difference between the middle east now and 40 years ago?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437844023
48578411,48585282,2015-07-25 17:08:09,">>48584738
Of course it's true. You can deny the existence of God(s) while also being open to any evidence of God(s) existing. This is true for any position and is the reason why debates take place. It is widely accepted that atheism is ""The denial of the existence of God(s)"". It's not simply a mental state.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437844089
48578411,48585512,2015-07-25 17:13:07,">>48581400
If I wanted to see people discussing a fantasy world then I would go to the Christian general",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437844387
48578411,48585575,2015-07-25 17:14:17,">>48585282
Even newborn babies are atheists, since they lack a belief in deities",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437844457
48578411,48585701,2015-07-25 17:16:37,">Be Christopher Hitchens
>Refuse God
>Die of Cancer",,Anonymous,1445635666671.jpg,dhxXyAQG2Fz1ArBNjLQgtg==,US,,1437844597
48578411,48585831,2015-07-25 17:19:06,">>48581034
>Christianity is basically Judaism 2.0
>""Christians"" in /pol/ actually think they are red pilled 
All my keks",,Anonymous,,,PA,,1437844746
48578411,48585884,2015-07-25 17:20:01,">>48585575
No. Atheism is the view that theism is false. If atheism was merely an absence of belief, it would have 0 intellectual value. Even rocks would be atheists.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437844801
48578411,48586424,2015-07-25 17:29:07,">>48585884
rocks are atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437845347
48578411,48586540,2015-07-25 17:31:09,">>48586424
If you use such understanding of 'atheism', then, like I said, it would have 0 intellectual value.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437845469
48578411,48586752,2015-07-25 17:35:14,">>48586540
>intellectual value.
What is this? I don't believe in things without evidence. Science is based on these ideas. I'd say science is intellectually valuable",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437845714
48578411,48586932,2015-07-25 17:38:53,">>48586752
Nobody has said anything about evidence or science.
Your arguments defeats itself. If atheism was merely an absence of belief, it wouldn't require justification, but you are actively trying to justify your views through empiricism.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437845933
48578411,48587078,2015-07-25 17:41:27,">>48586932
Any claim needs justification. God existing is a claim. It lacks justification.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437846087
48578411,48587213,2015-07-25 17:43:51,">>48578411
OP dubs proves atheists are right",,Anonymous,1316189299277.png,PMZXSRs8GvXXR+VPi4Bqbw==,US,,1437846231
48578411,48587245,2015-07-25 17:44:40,">>48587078
Rocks don't justify their absence of belief. People, who understand what concepts means, and try to know which statements are true and which are false, do.
Saying ""I don't belive in theism because it lacks evidence"" has the implicit claim that you believe theism is false.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437846280
48578411,48587270,2015-07-25 17:45:08,>>48580681,,Anonymous,4428876638252794864.jpg,pksjTD/44a+bw4NZabqAxA==,NL,,1437846308
48578411,48587418,2015-07-25 17:48:00,">>48587245
Not necessarily. You seem confused on the difference between negative and positive atheism. Both are a lack of belief in deities, but positive atheism is the one that goes on to say, yes, theism is probably false. And gnostic atheists will say theists are absolutely wrong",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437846480
48578411,48587456,2015-07-25 17:48:53,">>48587270
kek",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437846533
48578411,48587514,2015-07-25 17:49:54,">>48587270
At this moment I am euphoric.
Not for any atheists phony EVILution.
But by my own God, and the intelligence he has granted me",,Anonymous,fedora_reddit.png,fmiKNUX0uQn/lSvHZcqV/A==,US,,1437846594
48578411,48587773,2015-07-25 17:55:22,">>48587418
No, you seem confused on what beliefs are. According to you ""There's no evidence for theism"" is a 'defeater' for theism. Therefore, your views imply that theism is false.
'Negative' and 'positive' atheism is a cop-out.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437846922
48578411,48587863,2015-07-25 17:57:05,">>48578411
>atheism thread
>bash on exclusively Christians 
So are these basically like circle jerk threads for the fedorites? 
>so guys what new nihilistic views have you conjured up this evening?
>well I don't have anything to say but DUDE CHRISTIANS LMAO LIKE REALLY LOL",,Lorain /k/ounty,,,US,,1437847025
48578411,48588057,2015-07-25 18:00:38,">>48587773
I'm not even sure what you're arguing for anymore.
>>48587863
>so guys what new nihilistic views have you conjured up this evening?
Why is it always nihilism? You realize that atheists have a lot more choices on worldviews than Christians, right? Pic related.
And why is it always Christians? Because those are the only kinds of theists in these threads.",,Anonymous,values.png,vp+ss8HFYZqOCdlYIbJpDg==,US,,1437847238
48578411,48588277,2015-07-25 18:04:25,">>48588057
>I'm not even sure what you're arguing for anymore.
It couldn't be clearer what I'm arguing for, unless you are completely ignorant of basic concepts of epistemology.
Let me ask you a question: is the proposition ""God exists"" true or false?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437847465
48578411,48588289,2015-07-25 18:04:41,">>48580304
>Son walks into father's room, his wife in hand
>""FATHER!"", he cries, ""I run this household now! I'm better than you, I don't need you or your guidance!""
>Son begins to shag his mother, all while yelling ""I'M THE FATHER NOW!""
>Good father is proud.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437847481
48578411,48588344,2015-07-25 18:05:36,">>48588277
>is the proposition ""God exists"" true or false?
I can't say with absolute certainty. It is probably false though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437847536
48578411,48588391,2015-07-25 18:06:45,">>48588289
Why doesn't God destroy modern sky scrapers?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437847605
48578411,48588413,2015-07-25 18:07:09,">>48588057
>Why is it always nihilism?
Because nihilism is the only logical conclusion of atheism. Nietzsche knew what he was talking about when he said that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437847629
48578411,48588424,2015-07-25 18:07:24,">>48588344
Hence you are an atheist, becuase you believe the proposition ""God doesn't exist"" to be more likely true than not. See? It's not that complicated.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437847644
48578411,48588596,2015-07-25 18:11:10,">>48587213
Those dubs were God reaching out to the poor atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437847870
48578411,48588599,2015-07-25 18:11:12,">>48588413
That comment is so ignorant that it would take me years to explain how retarded you are.
>>48588424
No,I just personally think it is less probable that a god exists. I can't claim all other atheists do, as this is simply not what atheism is. I certainly lack a belief that god exists in addition to thinking god probably doesn't exist. Lack of belief in gods is the definition of atheism 
Please watch before continuing the discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDZb0KtJDk",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437847872
48578411,48589029,2015-07-25 18:18:41,">>48588599
>No,I just personally think it is less probable that a god exists.
Did you read what I said? Thinking something is less probable than the opposite is a belief, it's not a simple lack of belief.
Again, you believe the proposition ""God doesn't exist"" to be more likely true than not. Emphasis on believe.
The way you avoid this is intellectually dishonest.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437848321
48578411,48589050,2015-07-25 18:18:57,">>48588599
>That comment is so ignorant that it would take me years to explain how retarded you are.
Atheism cannot have an objective morality, because any statement that follows the line of ""x has moral value M"" can be answered with the question ""why?"". At the end of the line, there is legitimate answer to the question. The foundation is either ""because I feel it"" which is not only subjective but allows for the argument ""God is real because I feel He is"", or the foundation is something inherently removed from morality, such as the idea that people should be nice because then everyone is more likely to survive"". A foundation like that can still be answered with the question ""why?"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437848337
48578411,48589079,2015-07-25 18:19:36,">>48589050
>there is legitimate answer to the question
there is *no* legitimate answer to the question",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437848376
48578411,48589258,2015-07-25 18:22:55,">>48589050
All my ethics are a combination of facts and opinions. Just because something is subjective doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For example, I may find a painting beautiful and you may not. That doesn't mean you have to be nihilistic about beauty. 
I find lasting happiness to be valuable. That is my opinion. And I try to achieve it by examining the objective world and figuring out which things will lead to this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437848575
48578411,48589397,2015-07-25 18:25:59,">>48589029
Again, that is me personally.
The combination of all my views is not the definition of atheism. Atheism is simply lack of belief in Gods, which is something I certainly lack",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437848759
48578411,48589529,2015-07-25 18:28:37,">>48589397
>Atheism is simply lack of belief in Gods
Then we are back to square one: your definition of 'atheism' has 0 intellectual value. Your talks about evidence and empiricism were about your own personal beliefs, not what the definition of atheism is.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437848917
48578411,48589538,2015-07-25 18:28:48,">>48589258
If there is no objective morality, why bother doing anything in particular?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437848928
48578411,48589605,2015-07-25 18:30:11,">>48589538
There is no objective beauty, so why bother finding anything beautiful or not?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849011
48578411,48589632,2015-07-25 18:30:41,">>48589397
>Atheism is simply lack of belief in Gods
Atheism is the belief in a lack of gods. To define it as you do gives it no value in discourse because it becomes impossible to distinguish between those who believe it is more likely that God does not exist and those who have no opinion either way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849041
48578411,48589671,2015-07-25 18:31:30,">>48589529
>>48589632
Sorry you guys don't like the definition of words :(",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849090
48578411,48589695,2015-07-25 18:31:57,">>48578411
the shortness of the tie in the picture is triggering me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849117
48578411,48589769,2015-07-25 18:33:22,">>48589605
Because beauty and morality are not the same things. Beauty is inherently based around pleasure. People have have a tendency to desire things that are beautiful. A moral system is ideally a system that tells one how to live their life correctly. If morality is subjective, there is no correct way, making morality a non-thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849202
48578411,48589811,2015-07-25 18:34:21,">>48589671
Your definition is wrong. Atheism is the belief that the world is without gods. Agnosticism is a lack of belief in any direction.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849261
48578411,48589869,2015-07-25 18:35:56,">>48589671
In academic circles atheism is understood to be the position that theism is false, and the overwhelming majority of the population understand atheism to be a rejection of theism. The meaning of words come from their human usage, and it's clear that the meaning of 'atheism' is an actual belief.
It is you who are trying to redefine 'atheism' into something with no intellectual value.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437849356
48578411,48589947,2015-07-25 18:38:04,>>48578411,,Anonymous,1388136848852.jpg,qcvwk+ii6ngAYHnY/lMKvQ==,AU,,1437849484
48578411,48589953,2015-07-25 18:38:11,">>48589769
>Beauty is inherently based around pleasure. People have have a tendency to desire things that are beautiful.
You are such a fucking idiot, thinking beauty is objective. I could just say the same thing about ethics
""Ethics is inherently based around pleasure. People have have a tendency to desire things that are ethical.""
herp derp. This is just one view of ethics and beauty. They aren't objective things",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849491
48578411,48590068,2015-07-25 18:40:50,">>48589869
Be more explicit with words if you want to be understood. Say ""positive atheism""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849650
48578411,48590125,2015-07-25 18:42:01,">>48589953
>You are such a fucking idiot, thinking beauty is objective.
I don't. I meant to say things that they find beautiful. Either way, your statement doesn't respond to mine in any meaningful way. If morality is not objective it doesn't achieve it's aim, and thus doesn't exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849721
48578411,48590160,2015-07-25 18:43:01,">>48590125
>. If morality is not objective it doesn't achieve it's aim, and thus doesn't exist
If beauty is not objective it doesn't achieve it's aim, and thus does not exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437849781
48578411,48590334,2015-07-25 18:46:59,">>48590068
My usage of the word 'atheism' corresponds to the mainstream, widely accepted meaning both within and outside the academia. I don't see why would I be prohibited from using the word in such way.
Either way, it's quite apparent that you are a 'positive atheist' instead of a 'negative' one, given that you made the explicit claim that ""Theism is probably false"".",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437850019
48578411,48590557,2015-07-25 18:52:23,">>48590334
>My usage of the word 'atheism' corresponds to the mainstream, widely accepted meaning both within and outside the academia.
My definition of it is literally the first paragraph of the wiki article on atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437850343
48578411,48590652,2015-07-25 18:54:31,"Just out of curiosity, lets see what the political makeup up this general is. Also, state if you're an Atheists or whatever.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
>Atheist
>pic related",,Anonymous,chart[1].png,blSx40DfcwE3b/AHwf7v9g==,US,,1437850471
48578411,48590679,2015-07-25 18:55:02,">>48590652
>if you're an Atheists
>an atheists
fugg, atheist*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437850502
48578411,48590699,2015-07-25 18:55:29,">>48590557
Few use the word in its 'broad sense', precisely because it's something of no intellectual interest.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437850529
48578411,48590816,2015-07-25 18:58:14,">>48590652
I took that once, I was in the very center (just a few pixels to the right, and a pixel towards the bottom)",,Anonymous,jesus_portrait.jpg,zA3ou1rsLb+V5rwfwbmRDA==,US,,1437850694
48578411,48590863,2015-07-25 18:59:35,">>48590699
>all standard definitions disagree with me
>therefore everyone else must be wrong 
Just say positive atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437850775
48578411,48590886,2015-07-25 19:00:03,">>48590816
Noice",,Anonymous,OnlyFaggotsReadFileNames.png,EpxST6aXi846T8UFwvOsTw==,US,,1437850803
48578411,48591014,2015-07-25 19:03:35,">>48590863
>>all standard definitions disagree with me
Wait, what? I thought it was obvious by this point that it is you who was using an uncommon meaning of the word 'atheist' here.
The term 'positive atheism' didn't even exist before 1976, and the word 'atheism' was already widely used and accepted in the academia by that point, and was a widely used by the general population as well.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437851015
48578411,48591675,2015-07-25 19:19:23,">>48591014
See >>48590557
Also, I'd like to point out it is 2015",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437851963
48578411,48592198,2015-07-25 19:32:54,">>48591675
>Also, I'd like to point out it is 2015
So what? The meaning of the word 'atheism' remains mostly unchanged. Within the academia, of all the papers and books that talk about atheism, a tiny minority use the positive/negative distinction. And virtually no one within the general population even knows such distinction exists.
>See >>48590557
How is that an argument? Being in the first paragraph of a wikipedia article doesn't imply that's the common usage of the word, it just means whoever edited the article decided to put it there.
You are grasping at straws by this point.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437852774
48578411,48592385,2015-07-25 19:36:36,">>48592198
>it just means whoever edited the article decided to put it there.
It has citations. Also, I'm done talking about this. Atheism is a broad term. If you want to be ""academic"" then use the proper terms or redefine atheism before you start talking about it in the beginning of the post",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437852996
48578411,48592586,2015-07-25 19:40:55,">>48592385
>It has citations.
Which has nothing to do with the way in which the article is structured. Wikipedia is good for citations, but many articles are not properly structured because they are written in an unorganized fashion, by many different people.
Your implicit argument that ""it's in the first paragraph of wikipedia therefore that's the common definition"" is laughable.
>If you want to be ""academic"" then use the proper terms or redefine atheism before you start talking about it in the beginning of the post
I have always used the proper, widely accepted term in this discussion. You are the one trying to redefine things here.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437853255
48578411,48592625,2015-07-25 19:41:47,,,Anonymous,1437746545271.jpg,r/+YZ6n7e3cySBhranlFEQ==,US,,1437853307
48578411,48592679,2015-07-25 19:43:07,,,Anonymous,1437731581552.png,2/X1bqeffj22QI4ehuidMQ==,US,,1437853387
48578411,48592712,2015-07-25 19:43:48,,,Anonymous,1437746709958.jpg,BiLnl+npDYwtzuIF/XgM0Q==,US,,1437853428
48578411,48592753,2015-07-25 19:44:40,,,Anonymous,u9WXS.jpg,QbVmGhs2srHaYe+jaP810g==,US,,1437853480
48578411,48592802,2015-07-25 19:45:51,,,Anonymous,8FXZM.jpg,CRsaGdkc2lsWQOOR5Ka0sQ==,US,,1437853551
48578411,48592925,2015-07-25 19:48:52,">>48592586
Wikipedia, the experts and laymen that edit and maintain it, and the citations that define atheism, are all evidence that our definition of atheism is the most widely accepted one.
Where is your evidence beyond claims that it is ""more academic""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437853732
48578411,48593008,2015-07-25 19:50:52,">>48582387
there was no golden age in the past. Now is as good as it ever was. while many leftists have seized on atheism as part of their war on the establishment, they will start attaching it as antisocial the moment they see atheists not following them lockstep, which is already happening",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437853852
48578411,48593087,2015-07-25 19:52:34,">>48593008
attacking it*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437853954
48578411,48593093,2015-07-25 19:52:41,">>48592925
One of the very first citations in the wikipedia article says ""As commonly understood, atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God""
This comes from William L. Rowe, who is quite a big name in philosophy of religion.
Or you can simply go outside and ask people what they understand by atheism.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437853961
48578411,48593194,2015-07-25 19:55:14,">>48593093
>a single citation
>by a dinosaur born in the great depression
I'm telling you man, that definition is dead. Remember when greeks used to call christians atheists for not believing in their gods?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437854114
48578411,48593296,2015-07-25 19:57:37,">>48593194
>>48593093
Also, check out this section of the article. Where they explicitly say people disagree about the definition: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Definitions_and_distinctions
Then notice how every possible definition listed afterwards has only one thing in common: A lack of belief in deities.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437854257
48578411,48593350,2015-07-25 19:58:43,">>48593194
>he is old therefore he's wrong!
What? Did you get lost on your way to reddit or something?
Not to mention is not even a single citation, and most dictionaries define atheism as a rejection of theism.
It's not even up to debate that the general population uses the word 'atheism' in that sense.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1437854323
48578411,48593472,2015-07-25 20:01:43,,,Anonymous,1433205641684.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1437854503
48578411,48593553,2015-07-25 20:03:38,,,Anonymous,dont_masturbate.jpg,lM+eWhdX1eeAB1q3qnIyFg==,US,,1437854618
48578411,48593644,2015-07-25 20:06:22,">science reveals the Bible is full of shit
Guys it was just a metaphor!!1",,Anonymous,1433205727493.jpg,om5AEkvguRu80S6R0Mcjew==,US,,1437854782
48578411,48593762,2015-07-25 20:09:17,,,Anonymous,1433205572922.jpg,D6cjQvkmrOaid5ju488isQ==,US,,1437854957
48578411,48593892,2015-07-25 20:13:05,,,Anonymous,1433205788867.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1437855185
48578411,48594014,2015-07-25 20:16:02,kek,,Anonymous,1433205860492.png,IDsMFCL8uRoG8INhBYc9OA==,US,,1437855362
48578411,48594757,2015-07-25 20:34:03,I'm a Catholic looking to become an atheist. Any advice?,,Anonymous,1411077283583.jpg,1khCD3HqhwrzpdHSnClZ+g==,US,,1437856443
48578411,48594849,2015-07-25 20:36:18,">>48594757
If you have a question, ask yourself ""If god didn't do it, what did?""
google it a few times, maybe follow the links on the bottom of wikipedia articles, repeat.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437856578
48578411,48594952,2015-07-25 20:38:52,">>48594757
>looking to become an atheist.
I physically cringed.
You either believe or you don't you cunt.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437856732
48578411,48594961,2015-07-25 20:39:06,">>48594849
What if I have a question like: ""Why is there something rather than nothing?""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437856746
48578411,48595017,2015-07-25 20:40:20,">>48594849
>google
>wikipedia
atheist bibles...",,Anonymous,thegoddelusion_thumb.png,r6Xo1z3Ss+M+xUl4oJHN1A==,DE,,1437856820
48578411,48595018,2015-07-25 20:40:21,">>48594952
There are a lot of implications in making the switch...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437856821
48578411,48595108,2015-07-25 20:42:21,">>48594961
That's a question steeped in the field of astrophysics, cosmology, and theoretical phsyics; I am none of those, and am not suited to answer that.
This might be pertinent, though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_asymmetry
>>48595017
:^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437856941
48578411,48596373,2015-07-25 21:11:05,">>48595108
Thanks for the link... Not sure it answer my question though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437858665
48578411,48596613,2015-07-25 21:17:06,">>48578411
 I prefer do this without being gay",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1437859026
48578411,48596891,2015-07-25 21:22:57,">>48596613
Please use English correctly",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437859377
48640734,48640734,2015-07-26 19:32:41,"Replace worship with curiosity, devotion with diligence, holiness with sincerity, ritual with study, and scripture with the whole world and the whole of human learning. It is our duty to question all things, and to ground our beliefs in what is well-investigated and well-proved, rather than what is merely well-asserted or well-liked. Instead of keeping your nose buried in your book, read widely and constantly. Instead of aligning yourself with this or that view and keeping only like-minded company, you should mingle and discuss all views with everyone. And above all, commit yourself to the constant study and application of language, logic, and method, and seek always to perfect, by testing and correcting, your total view of all things.
Today's thread question: What is one of the most amazing facts you know about the universe?",Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_chan_classy.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1437939161
48640734,48640799,2015-07-26 19:34:23,">>48640734
Recommended Viewing:
All Qualia Soup Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup/videos
600+ Atheism vs. Theism Debates http://worldviewnaturalism.com/debates/
Why are you not a Christian?.. (Interview with Bertrand Russell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
A Universe not made for us (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxlPVSAnWOo
There is nothing special about religion (Paul Bloom seminar from ""The Evolution of Religion, Morality and Cooperation"" series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSULfIoWHU
Richard Dawkins on Militant Atheism http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html
Richard Dawkins: Root of all evil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr9bJ8Sctk
Richard Dawkins: The Enemies of Reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Richard Dawkins: Faith Schools menace? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulX8nZjeCXE
Debate: Is religion a force for good in the world? (Christopher Hitchens vs. Tony Blair) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA
Freedom of Speech (Christopher Hitchens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
On Religion (Christopher Hitchens) http://fora.tv/2007/05/10/Christopher_Hitchens_at_Politics_and_Prose#fullprogram
On God or Gods (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
Pale Blue Dot (Carl Sagan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
A Universe from Nothing (Lawrence Krauss) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8o8I8kLYSA
Something From Nothing (Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss) (2012) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Examining the Existence of a Historical Jesus (David Fitzgerald) (2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,MvurxBj6fhkdqu1/OV1HgA==,US,,1437939263
48640734,48640835,2015-07-26 19:35:18,">>48640799
Recommended reading - Beginner:
John Shook - The God Debates (2010)
This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers. Good for dealing with the occasional religious clown.
J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)
Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga.
Recommended reading - Intermediate: 
Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)
Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. This book is a beast, Sobel is not layman friendly.
Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)
Similar to Sobel, covers some more recent philosophers.
Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)
Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of ""God"" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1437939318
48640734,48640884,2015-07-26 19:36:17,">atheism
>ism",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1437939377
48640734,48640915,2015-07-26 19:36:55,">>48640835
Recommended reading - Advanced:
J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)
In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis.
Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)
Another ""one shot"" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil.
Recommended reading - Scientific:
Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time.
Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.
Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)
Ray seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. He addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437939415
48640734,48640954,2015-07-26 19:37:47,">>48640915
Recommended reading - Christianity:
Dan Barker - Godless (2008)
Barker launches an extremely thorough critique of the Bible, addressing the myriad of contradictions and inconsistencies, the historicity of the Biblical Jesus, and the absurdity and improbability of many Biblical claims such as the resurrection.
Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted (2010)
Ehrman carefully reviews and assesses the New Testament with a detailed and extremely thorough analysis of the figure we call Jesus. It shows objectively how the entire Jesus myth and indeed, all of Christianity is a purposely-designed fabrication rife with contradictions, inaccuracies, and sometimes outright falsehoods.
John Loftus - Why I Became an Atheist (2008)
Loftus attacks the full span of Christianity, addressing the philosophical arguments against theism, the historical incompatibilities and inaccuracies of the Bible, and the contradictions between creationism and modern science, and throughout it all is an undercurrent of personal experience as Loftus explains his own deconversion from devout evangelicalism to enraged atheist.
Recommended reading - Atheism:
Michael Martin - Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (1989)
Martin attempts a two-pronged defense of atheism: first by attacking theistic arguments regarding the implausibility of morality and purpose without God, second by defending against attacks specifically on atheism.
Erik J. Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe (2005)
Wielenberg challenges the claims of theistic morality, next he advances naturalistic ethics and displays how theological justification is unnecessary for a good and moral life.
Richard Carrier - Sense and Goodness Without God (2005)
Carrier continues the trend of expanding metaphysical naturalism, but this is a more complex and thorough work covering the full spectrum of a developed worldview, addressing nearly every topic beyond just morality. Easy to understand and comprehensive.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1437939467
48640734,48640999,2015-07-26 19:38:52,Reminder that we are all made from nuclear waste.,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437939532
48640734,48641002,2015-07-26 19:38:58,"Some anon made this in the last thread, thank you!",,Anonymous,babel.png,l4mSRtR5xlopEOTTDBBcJg==,US,,1437939538
48640734,48641009,2015-07-26 19:39:09,"Hello fellow atheists. Has anyone considered that perhaps the trigger for the Big Bang was some kind of extra spacial entity, perhaps the universe was the creation of a being outside of our domains of space and time, the idea intrigues me and I believe it deserves further investigation",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437939549
48640734,48641026,2015-07-26 19:39:31,">>48640734
Time to remind you that there's a catholic priest guy who tells atheists to not post in his thread. Elitism much?
That's right, religion is elitism, and those who suffer from it can't think about atheists because it blows their mind.",,Mademoiselle Pomf s4s-kun,,,US,,1437939571
48640734,48641088,2015-07-26 19:41:04,">>48641026
What are you talking about?
>>48641009
pic related",,Anonymous,gods_army.jpg,pksjTD/44a+bw4NZabqAxA==,US,,1437939664
48640734,48641187,2015-07-26 19:43:35,">>48640734
The opening of the thread is a reason I stopped calling myself atheist without saying that I am a cultural protestant and pagan.
Worship the state
Be devoted to family and loyal to your comrades
Be ready to sacrifice yourself for nation and the well-being of your nation
Be the pillar of knowledge and culture
Modern liberal Atheists are a disgrace to mankind.",,Anonymous,,,BA,,1437939815
48640734,48641249,2015-07-26 19:45:04,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndkC-vGLBw
I found this interesting video about atheism, my fellow godless ones. Hail Dawkins!",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437939904
48640734,48641276,2015-07-26 19:45:39,">>48641187
The opening line is about how to find the truth, not enjoy your life and community.
Also
>Worship the state
What?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437939939
48640734,48641357,2015-07-26 19:47:15,you do realize atheism is just slighty better than christianity?,,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437940035
48640734,48641365,2015-07-26 19:47:36,">>48641249
Australia go shit post in the Catholic priest thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437940056
48640734,48641390,2015-07-26 19:48:12,">>48641187
>Worship the state",,Anonymous,1436191932577.gif,s1H9SdZOMRwEyuHdHg9mJw==,US,,1437940092
48640734,48641425,2015-07-26 19:48:52,">>48641365
By the great Sagan, relax ameribro. We all believe in nothing here",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437940132
48640734,48641432,2015-07-26 19:49:00,">>48641357
Do you realize atheism isn't a religion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437940140
48640734,48641493,2015-07-26 19:50:13,">>48641276
Worship the nation (doesnt have the be the one you were born in, but the one you live in) as in never let anything happen to it, uphold it with highest esteem, defend it, etc... Since we do not have a real diety, people need something sacred and holy, the nation is ideal for that.",,Anonymous,,,BA,,1437940213
48640734,48641606,2015-07-26 19:52:39,">>48641493
Of course, I think you should do everything you can to make the place you're living a better place. We shouldn't flee the country, or seek escapism in an afterlife. This is the only earth we got, we got to make the best of it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437940359
48640734,48641880,2015-07-26 19:58:17,">>48641432
you do realize it's based on belief?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437940697
48640734,48641898,2015-07-26 19:58:47,">>48641357
It's way fucking better, because it is true",,Anonymous,LDSof.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1437940727
48640734,48641957,2015-07-26 19:59:59,">>48641880
I believe faeries, elves, invisible pink unicorns, and gods don't exist. Sorry if these beliefs seem irrational to you. There is simply no evidence that any of them exist.
I won't hold it against you if you think MLP is real somewhere though :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437940799
48640734,48641985,2015-07-26 20:00:26,">>48641898
truth doesn't exist, what are you idiot?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437940826
48640734,48642022,2015-07-26 20:01:18,">>48641898
>what is a strawman
no one argues that it's a proof, only that atheism has no such recourse and could only lead to moral chaos, the same chaos we see perfectly today.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437940878
48640734,48642094,2015-07-26 20:03:01,">>48642022
I'm a secular humanist, no such chaos has ensued in my life since I dropped catholicism",,Anonymous,values.png,vp+ss8HFYZqOCdlYIbJpDg==,US,,1437940981
48640734,48642132,2015-07-26 20:03:54,">>48641985
Absolute truth, no. We can be reasonably certain about truths though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941034
48640734,48642135,2015-07-26 20:04:01,">>48641957
not really irrational, just still beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437941041
48640734,48642219,2015-07-26 20:06:10,">>48642132
only one is death tho",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437941170
48640734,48642242,2015-07-26 20:06:39,">>48642135
Well, that's a pretty important distinction. If you're not using evidence and method to seek the truth then you will never improve your chances of discovering anything. 
How far do you think science would have gotten if we just relied on guesswork and blind beliefs?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941199
48640734,48642268,2015-07-26 20:07:08,">>48642219
Nope.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941228
48640734,48642375,2015-07-26 20:09:23,">>48642242
i don't really care about progress of technology and stuff. actually it brings more evil than good.
still better than cathocucks tbh",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437941363
48640734,48642413,2015-07-26 20:10:07,">>48642268
oh, nice argument there",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437941407
48640734,48642441,2015-07-26 20:10:46,">>48642413
You didn't present an argument, so I can dismiss your claim",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941446
48640734,48642500,2015-07-26 20:12:01,">>48642375
I'm talking about seeking what is true. And that's important for anything you seek in life.
For example, let's say you seek to improve your nation. You should know all of the relevant facts and science that could help you in this endeavor. 
If you don't know how the world works, you won't know how to get what you want",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941521
48640734,48642510,2015-07-26 20:12:15,">>48641898
Science is just an evolution of religion. Religion was once too people trying to make sense of the world they knew little about but as time went on it started being used to control people. Science too started out like religion, a way to make sense of the world and now we are seeing how people can use it to control others (global warming). Creationism was a theory of how the earth was created and it was a good damn guess for the amount of knowledge people had back then, where most complex things had to be made by fellow humans because their brains couldn't comprehend things happening on their own. The theory of the Big Bang actually came from religion and is too just a way we are making sense of our world today.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941535
48640734,48642580,2015-07-26 20:14:02,">>48642441
my argument is that only certainty is death, ergo atheism can't be true. bc atheism is not death. use fucking dictionary, see what it says under death . see what it says under atheism.
should i explain it like for a 12yr old?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437941642
48640734,48642650,2015-07-26 20:15:41,">>48642510
>Science too started out like religion
Science is secular, secular is by definition not religious. 
>Big Bang actually came from religion
nigga, it was partially developed from a scientist that was also a priest. Saying it came from religion is ridiculous. That's like saying if X was invented by a communist, gay scientist with green eyes then X came from homosexual communism with green eyes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941741
48640734,48642671,2015-07-26 20:16:07,">>48642500
get a load of this dumbass. he thinks that what society dictates is truth. i tell how world works: you are born, you live and you die. fast.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437941767
48640734,48642677,2015-07-26 20:16:11,">>48642022
I hate to kill your argument but;
Christianity is based on the belief that Jesus Christ was the son of God and that he sacrificed his self for man kind. 
The ONLY requirement to get into heaven is to believe in the statement above. As long as they do this, they can theoretically lead a shit life, and go on living in eternal light when they die. 
As you know, atheism believes in no such thing. 
Atheists believe that they only get one life. 
If we break the law in a severe manner, we will spend that life in prison, our life will have been wasted, and we don't look forward to or believe in any fairy tale cloud lands.
Tell me which one of those beliefs could possibly lead to more degeneracy?
Pro tip: Christianity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941771
48640734,48642700,2015-07-26 20:16:43,">>48642580
>only certainty is death
How could death be certain when nothing else is? 
And how is this at all related to atheism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437941803
48640734,48642881,2015-07-26 20:20:54,">>48642671
Well, then you might as well live it up like a hedonistic degenerate. 
Meanwhile, I'll be working on improving humanity",,Anonymous,kmu3z.png,YwFNHgSoBkJM0+fR/8L+lQ==,US,,1437942054
48640734,48642892,2015-07-26 20:21:02,">>48642700
you stated a claim that atheism is true.
i debunk it by telling your small son ass that truth doesn't exist.
you start ranting about certian things - debunked - only certian thing is death.
>How could death be certain when nothing else is? 
you will see i assure you :)",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942062
48640734,48642939,2015-07-26 20:22:09,">>48642892
There is no absolute truth. Only varying degrees of certainty to which I apply varying degrees of conviction.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437942129
48640734,48642958,2015-07-26 20:22:29,">>48642881
not really bro, my gods disallow degeneracy.
meanwhile you will work as cog in social machine created by jew, gj goy",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942149
48640734,48642996,2015-07-26 20:23:24,">>48642958
>created by jew
Christianity?",,Anonymous,franco.jpg,LCcKHPVvlCPMNrO2tjtLtg==,US,,1437942204
48640734,48643043,2015-07-26 20:24:36,">>48642939
so how is this atheism thing true? what degree of conviction? is it in percentile, like power level? atheism 99,9999%?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942276
48640734,48643106,2015-07-26 20:26:00,"reminder that in the bible there's literally a verse that says ""For she lusted after upon their lovers, whose genitals are like those of donkeys, and whose emission is like that of horses."" 
ezekiel 23:20",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437942360
48640734,48643136,2015-07-26 20:26:34,">>48642996
what's the difference? both worship sand god. and you suck their dick. oh wait did i say in beginning you are better than them? take it fucking back.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942394
48640734,48643201,2015-07-26 20:28:14,">>48643043
yeah man, atheism = 99.9999%
Fuck, learn English.
oh and death = 99.9999%
But god? Oh, He = 0.000001%",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437942494
48640734,48643226,2015-07-26 20:29:09,">>48643136
I don't worship any gods, stop projecting your insecurities onto me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437942549
48640734,48643294,2015-07-26 20:30:35,">>48643201
no you still don't get it kid, death = 100%
btw. you just said there is chance that god exists! my fucking personal victory, converting atheist into agnostic just by using logical arguments.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942635
48640734,48643361,2015-07-26 20:32:02,">>48643294
Nothing is 100% or 0%
All of our experiences could be lies fed to us (like in the movie The Matrix)
For all intents and purposes I treat 99.9999% as 100% and 0.00001% as 0%",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437942722
48640734,48643404,2015-07-26 20:32:59,">>48643226
you want to improve world by social means. you want to partake in society that is build on christian fundament. you are part of christian society. money you use = blood of innocent shed in name of organized religion. read a book nigger b4 you start preaching about how atheism is great.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942779
48640734,48643490,2015-07-26 20:34:56,">>48643404
One of the ways I want to improve society is by getting rid of Christianity. 
Try again",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437942896
48640734,48643492,2015-07-26 20:35:03,">>48643361
wrong from scientific point of view. 0 =/= 0.00001
murikan education lads and gents
death is 100% now you don't believe me, but you will just fucking see, lol",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942903
48640734,48643554,2015-07-26 20:36:34,">>48643490
you can't improve something by remoiving it's fundament. you either destroy both or support both.
currently you are very supportive. it's not like you have a choice.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437942994
48640734,48643645,2015-07-26 20:38:39,">>48643554
Not true, look at Japan for example.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437943119
48640734,48643685,2015-07-26 20:39:48,">>48643645
>what is international banking system
jesus fuck, it's really like talking to baby, i'm out of this bitch",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1437943188
48640734,48643695,2015-07-26 20:40:01,">>48643492
Ah, so you know death is certain (even when things like 1=1 aren't), and you tell me I'll be certain once I die.
So I'm guessing you're dead? Your brain seems to be, partially at least",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437943201
48640734,48644391,2015-07-26 20:56:19,">>48643554
Christianity was made by HUMANS. That is who wrote the bible and every single theological text EVER.
It is NOT a foundation it is a TOOL.
A tool that is becoming, if not hazardous, than increasingly more useless!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437944179
48640734,48644463,2015-07-26 20:57:54,What does other atheists think of this. It's an attempt at putting together things we all agree on it. I think the bottom two might be irrelevant.,,Anonymous,Core.png,nN8LZFa25cpUz/XcqKULHA==,US,,1437944274
48640734,48644640,2015-07-26 21:01:57,">>48641187
>worship the state
Please don't do this. Please, nobody do this.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437944517
48640734,48644666,2015-07-26 21:02:43,">>48644463
That's secular humanism mixed with naturalism, which yeah, I would say most atheists tend to be",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437944563
48640734,48644963,2015-07-26 21:10:23,">>48644463
Atheism is not a system of belief. An atheist in the most basic form just denies the existance of a higher power.
That picture you have posted is poorly writen and holds no relevance to my lack of belief",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437945023
48640734,48645132,2015-07-26 21:14:52,">>48644463
>rational beliefs trump subjective beliefs every time
That is a subjective belief, and so is ""rationality is good"", ""superstition is bad"", ""superstition should have no influence in government and law"".
Atheists everybody.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1437945292
48640734,48645246,2015-07-26 21:17:39,">>48645132
I think the image is using the word ""subjective"" incorrectly. Subjective is not the opposite of rational.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437945459
48640734,48645564,2015-07-26 21:24:53,">>48645246
>>48645132
Obviously rational beliefs trump irrational ones every time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437945893
48640734,48645923,2015-07-26 21:33:02,">>48640734
Atheism is a cancer;. And you fagots are just liberals. Kill yourselves. The west doesn't need you.
Go be a jew somewhere else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437946382
48640734,48645988,2015-07-26 21:34:39,">>48645246
In the image a rational beleif is defined as one with overwhelming evidence.
A subjective belief is defined as not rational so by definition it's evidence is moderate to none.
I think it makes sense within the context.
Obviously creating a set of axioms we all agree on will be difficult if not impossible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437946479
48640734,48646036,2015-07-26 21:35:37,">>48645923
>Go be a jew somewhere else.
Like on a cross?",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1437946537
48640734,48646112,2015-07-26 21:37:08,">>48645988
But a subjective belief can be very rational. Take movie critiques for example.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437946628
48640734,48646206,2015-07-26 21:39:40,">>48646112
It's a sliding scale. The more evidence the more it becomes rational and the less it becomes irrational.
Since subjective things are defined as irrational it also becomes less subjective as evidence builds.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437946780
48640734,48646328,2015-07-26 21:42:33,">>48646206
I don't like that definition of subjective. You should throw it away. We already have a word for ""irrational"".
The contrast is between ""objective"" and ""subjective"". It's not that one of these are better than the other, they are just different categories. For example, I can describe everything objective about a kitten but I can't say whether or not it is objectively cute. That is simply a subjective claim, it depends on some individual.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437946953
48640734,48646460,2015-07-26 21:45:29,">>48646328
So if we axed axioms 4&5 would it be agreeable?",,Anonymous,Core 2.png,irBGPAhOSxJSaBIPjJeblQ==,US,,1437947129
48640734,48646492,2015-07-26 21:46:04,I'm just here for fedora-chan tbh,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437947164
48640734,48646573,2015-07-26 21:47:49,">>48646492
We all are tbh",,Anonymous,1437019859077.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1437947269
48640734,48646684,2015-07-26 21:50:40,">>48646036
>>Dieing for YOUR sins.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437947440
48640734,48646862,2015-07-26 21:55:19,">>48646684
""This is what brought him to the cross: the proof thereof is to be found in the inscription that was put upon the cross. He died for his own sins—there is not the slightest ground for believing, no matter how often it is asserted, that he died for the sins of others""
Do you know what was ""inscribed"" on the cross?
King of the Jews",,Anonymous,Nietzsche187c.jpg,J5CYcN7/xcs4++CrFnSpsg==,US,,1437947719
48640734,48646958,2015-07-26 21:57:44,">>48646460
Well, here are my two-cents:
1. This has nothing to do with atheism, maybe the intro should be something more for atheists seeking guidance on ethics and philosophy. 
2. Rationality being good isn't a very good axiom. It IS the best way to discover what is true, and that helps you make decisions about what is good. You subjectively choose what value is good, then use rationality to find those values in things in our lives.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437947864
48640734,48647920,2015-07-26 22:22:05,Daily reminder it takes more faith to think we came from nothing than from God,,Anonymous,Einstein-on-God.jpg,CzIUiNxGwb5Y6uTkqaMAdQ==,US,,1437949325
48640734,48648024,2015-07-26 22:24:23,">>48647920
>tfw atheists worship science but don't know enough about it to realize it all points to God",,Anonymous,Heisenberg.jpg,kRFvR+CTFnpIefUrFMyMXg==,AU,,1437949463
48640734,48648069,2015-07-26 22:25:32,Why do you still not have a pastebin instead of huge walls of text and links?,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437949532
48640734,48648160,2015-07-26 22:28:11,">>48644463
>It is impossible to rational in all things",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437949691
48640734,48648338,2015-07-26 22:32:13,">>48648069
Why should I give pastebin traffic?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437949933
48640734,48648430,2015-07-26 22:34:26,">>48648338
I already said, less huge posts at top of thread. 
What's wrong with pastebin now?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437950066
48640734,48648486,2015-07-26 22:35:57,">I'm so insecure and dim-witted i need to believe in a magical man in the sky
Tip top kek",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1437950157
48640734,48648615,2015-07-26 22:38:57,">>48648069
What is the rational favorite color?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437950337
48640734,48648648,2015-07-26 22:40:04,">>48648615
White :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437950404
48640734,48648721,2015-07-26 22:41:50,">>48648430
It's kind of a shitty, ad-ridden service. The walls of text aren't that annoying. I also don't want to centralize the general resources too much. Anyone should be able to make these generals and link suggested readings and viewings.
I dunno. Maybe we could set up a free wiki? I feel like there are already so many resources for atheists to find on the Internet. We don't need to mirror it all here. Just a few gems to get someone started.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437950510
48640734,48649082,2015-07-26 22:50:26,">>48648024
Ah, Heisenberg. Remember when he used science to prove God exists? 
Me neither",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437951026
48640734,48649108,2015-07-26 22:51:05,">>48648721
The ads only matter if there is some kind of objectionable content that they push and so we don't want them to profit. It's entirely for the user's sake, so who cares? Wiki sites have ads too, so what's the difference, unless someone is going to pay out of pocket.
If the general resources should be easy for anyone to copy into a new thread, what could be easier than one link? It's just messy. Additionally less spacing and some greentext could help make it easier to scan through:
>Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)
Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths etc etc etc
>Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)
Wright launches etc etc
I don't really care enough to go on more about it though. Just my opinion, doesn't matter.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437951065
48640734,48649590,2015-07-26 23:01:55,">>48649108
Ah, good point on making it more readable. I'll edit the pastes to incorporate green-text headers.
If more people ask for a pastebin, or more people start contributing resources such that it becomes cumbersome to re-paste them all, then I'll make one.
Thanks for the input",,Anonymous,uncolored_sword.jpg,2hWOK1cgsj3hlWlfr7U9+g==,US,,1437951715
48640734,48650395,2015-07-26 23:20:25,"Nietzsche's perspective on the Garden of Eden. The entire story represents the psychology of the priesthood.
The priesthood and by extension God has only one fear: Science. Without superstition the priest and by extension God has no power.
God made a mistake when he made man because he made a rival. His second mistake was making woman who gave man fruit from the tree of knowledge. With knowledge man will invent science.
The old God was seized by mortal terror. Man himself had been his greatest blunder; he had created a rival to himself; science makes men godlike—it is all up with priests and gods when man becomes scientific!—Moral: science is the forbidden per se; it alone is forbidden. Science is the first of sins, the germ of all sins, the original sin. This is all there is of morality.—“Thou shall not know”:
God tries to defend himself against science by expelling man from paradise, shortening his life, making child birth dangerous, and creating disease. In the bible God does these things as 'punishment' for eating the knowledge fruit.
Man prevails with science and creates the Tower of Babel
>>48641002 See this for details
But man strives on.
 So the old God comes to his final resolution: “Man has become scientific—there is no help for it: he must be drowned!” 
Nietzsche's prediction of the future: The scientist will defeat the church. He predicted Dawkins.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437952825
48640734,48650673,2015-07-26 23:26:45,">>48650395
Excellent commentary, I like how you tied it together with the story of Babel.
Really makes you wonder if the entire Old (and perhaps New) testament is full of such social engineering and manipulative psychology.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437953205
48640734,48650978,2015-07-26 23:34:22,">>48650673
This is basically what Nietzsche got at it with his book Anti-Christ.
He talks about religion from the perspective of psychology and social engineering.
He basically said it's irrelevant if God even exists because the social path the religion takes is so corrupt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437953662
48640734,48651229,2015-07-26 23:40:11,">>48650978
There is some recommended reading on this stuff under the scientific section of the paste at the top of the thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437954011
48640734,48651928,2015-07-26 23:57:34,">>48651229
Is there a reason Nietzsche isn't listed? I know it's crowded but he was definitely an early founder in our type of thinking. Dawkins, Hitchen, etc may have popularized our thinking but there is a historical basis also.
Modern atheists seem to distrust philosophers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437955054
48640734,48651940,2015-07-26 23:57:58,">>48651229
I think there is some videos I can find on this too... lemme see if I can find them",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437955078
48640734,48652026,2015-07-27 00:00:20,">>48651928
I think this was answered earlier for books by Dawkins etc. Basically those are very well known books, including the ones by Nietzsche. So there really is no need to point them out. They also don't fit into any categories very well, kind of hard to read, etc. 
Perhaps they will be added later if we do a pastebin thing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437955220
48640734,48652273,2015-07-27 00:06:17,">>48652026
An idea for the paste bin
A profile for various sects of religion (ie Catholic vs Protestant) that lists the most effective ways to debate them. For instance protestants value biblical literalism and so attacks on questionable bible text are more effective. Catholics care more about their institution than the bible and so pointing out that the formation of their institution as 'the original and first' is sketchy at best.
A special section for Islam, Judaism, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437955577
48640734,48652326,2015-07-27 00:07:35,">>48646862
Great leader there for atheists the abyss. because without faith that's all you have.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437955655
48640734,48652407,2015-07-27 00:09:47,">>48651940
This anon already knows about it, as he's been spamming it, but Catholic General is up if you'd like to chat.
>>48650827
Have some nice art.",,WOLFSHIEM,CPG1.jpg,hkDEUrD22I/JNlRFcoZldA==,US,,1437955787
48640734,48652505,2015-07-27 00:12:03,">>48652407
Hey wolfy, hows the Furry Generals going?
Also, interesting video based on the book A History of God (which is a recommended reading)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg",,Anonymous,transform.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1437955923
48640734,48652574,2015-07-27 00:14:12,">>48652326
""A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.""
""Is there any difference between faith and self-deception?"" (not the exact quote. Can't find it)",,Anonymous,1423371594991.jpg,W4w+EIB38HQ4NwO+XL5I/g==,US,,1437956052
48640734,48652791,2015-07-27 00:20:13,">>48652273
This is a pretty great idea. It's nice to have some resources ready to shoot down the regular bullshit coming from all directions.
I'm currently studying metaphysical naturalism mainly. I could maybe start this paste bin by putting together a bunch of resources from elsewhere. Or would you be interested in doing this?
It's gonna happen eventually anyway",,Anonymous,fedora_wife.jpg,3f7Ne5sO3kX//EoIhctmRw==,US,,1437956413
48640734,48652952,2015-07-27 00:24:45,"Daily reminder that
>atheists are less psychologically healthy than christians
>atheists have lower birthrates than any other group to the point where they are non-perpetuating
>atheists are only predominant in the 16-22 age group; after that people grow up
>atheism is simply another brand of hardcore liberalism and its only purpose is to undermine traditional values in the same way that feminism and multiculturalism is
>atheism is literally reddit tier
>people who really just don't believe don't make threads about it",,Anonymous,9876976.png,At+/cFefJsvP9qCVPi8K2g==,US,,1437956685
48640734,48652976,2015-07-27 00:25:24,Just stop Op. this is osme pretty gay ass shit you spam every god damn day. The stupid cartoon is the worst. The teenage youtube videos. Just stop and go back toreddit.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956724
48640734,48652993,2015-07-27 00:25:48,">>48652952
Daily reminder that
>Atheism is correct, and we don't care about your insecurities",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956748
48640734,48653025,2015-07-27 00:26:51,">>48652791
>metaphysical naturalism
holy shit what a fucking faggot kill yourself. this is why nobody respects atheists. literal undergraduate tier",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956811
48640734,48653026,2015-07-27 00:26:55,">>48652976
Sorry these threads hurt your feelings. 
Reddit has a safe place for you called r/Christianity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956815
48640734,48653062,2015-07-27 00:27:59,">>48653025
>a metaphysical view that lead to modern science
>you tell me I'm a faggot on a computer
3/10, made me reply",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956879
48640734,48653066,2015-07-27 00:28:12,">>48652993
you make posts about a topic that you DON'T believe in and you're calling others insecure. top kek fatty. get laid and then maybe you can stop living your life on 4chan dot org slash pol slash atheistdicksucking contest",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956892
48640734,48653080,2015-07-27 00:28:28,">>48652791
>metaphysical naturalism
Is it a requirement to believe in something pants on retarded to be american?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1437956908
48640734,48653121,2015-07-27 00:29:25,">>48653062
>implying metaphysics have anything to do with science.
you fucking retard give me a peer reviewed source right now you dumbass piece of shit
here comes the dawkins",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437956965
48640734,48653179,2015-07-27 00:30:49,">>48653080
probably to be a hipster college student that can't get laid. i didn't realize the atheists posters on this site were this reddit-tier.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957049
48640734,48653190,2015-07-27 00:31:07,">>48653121
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_naturalism#Science_and_naturalism
>>48653066
I lol'd",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957067
48640734,48653241,2015-07-27 00:32:30,">>48652791
I've never really used pastebin, I have the time and commitment to maintain it but I don't know if I have the technical now-how.
I'll contribute a great deal either way.
Stuff about how to deal with various sects. I think it is also important to mention the approach to discuss a religion. IE Different approach with family vs online. What not to say is just as important as what to say.
As well as identifying people that are hopeless and you shouldn't waste your time on them (seem people are incurably attached to religion)
I also sort of want to find a way to make Nietzsche ""easier to understand"". The stuff about the tower of the babel and plato/socrates is indirectly from Nietzsche. Nietzsche never talked about the cave though, he just linked Plato and Christianity
""Christianity is Platonism 'for the people' """,,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957150
48640734,48653325,2015-07-27 00:34:50,">>48653190
>wikipedia
>peer review
nice try. this wiki page confirms how worthless you are. ""let's assign a name to underlying assumptions of science, then have philosophers hundreds of years later baselessly expound upon it with unfounded assumptions to get publications and convince pathetic virgin college students that they have something worth following""
grow up. 
>implying there's not a reason only YOU need to say that you subscribe to something like this.
you are literally a joke if you think your article supports what you're claiming.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957290
48640734,48653387,2015-07-27 00:36:29,">>48653241
Pastebin is pretty easy I think. I can't find any tutorials on it so I figure such documents don't need to exist. In addition, wolfy uses it so it can't be that hard.
I agree with everything you're saying about approaching conversations, context, hopeless people.
>I also sort of want to find a way to make Nietzsche ""easier to understand""
This is something I cannot do, as I'm not very familiar with his work. I also can't really just link to his work and claim it is understandable. I'd say this is a very worthwhile effort for you, and a good justification for a pastebin to exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957389
48640734,48653591,2015-07-27 00:41:58,">>48653325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_%28philosophy%29#Methodological_naturalism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957718
48640734,48653676,2015-07-27 00:44:11,">>48653387
Well that's actually useful to me. Can you tell me specifically what you tried reading and didn't understand? Any other anons that can answer this for me would also be great.
If I know what is difficult I know what to focus on. 
I'll probably get on, in learning pastebin.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437957851
48640734,48653828,2015-07-27 00:48:33,">>48653676
I tried reading a bit of The Anti-Christ. Maybe it was an old translation, but it wasn't very readable to me. It also seemed to jump around a lot, not a very focused narrative. 
Sorry if I can't give very good feedback, I really haven't looked at his works very much (except indirectly through other people explaining him)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437958113
48640734,48654185,2015-07-27 00:58:36,">>48653325
Why you so mad though?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437958716
48640734,48654725,2015-07-27 01:15:33,">>48652407
Fuck off virgin worshipper, go back to your metaphysical fantasy land",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437959733
48640734,48654800,2015-07-27 01:18:13,">>48642375
>i don't really care about progress of technology and stuff. actually it brings more evil than good.
lol how's hunter-gathering working out for you?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1437959893
48640734,48654878,2015-07-27 01:20:13,">>48654800
Life was way better in biblical times.
Remember when all you had to do was rape a girl to get a wife? Damn, those were simple times.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437960013
48640734,48655194,2015-07-27 01:31:51,">>48654878
I love how all Christian morals derive from God's laws, which is divine command theory. Which even ancient Greeks knew was self contradicting bullshit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437960711
48640734,48655308,2015-07-27 01:36:32,">>48655194
Deriving morality from God is an appeal to authority.
Than you realize that the reason you obey the authority is because he send you to a torture world you if you do not.
So we realize God is a tyrant.
But who wrote about God? Who decided what was cannon? Who interpreted his will?
The priesthood. God is just their sock puppet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437960992
48640734,48655432,2015-07-27 01:40:46,">>48655308
It's an appeal to authority, but also is fundamentally self-contradictory as he pointed out. Basically it comes down to this:
>Does God say X is good because it is good?
OR
>Is X good because God says it is?
If you say the first is true, then you don't need God to tell you it is good. His word is meaningless, it was already good.
If you say the second one is true, then that opens the possibility of God one day just saying ""raping and eating your children is the best thing you can do in your life"". Which basically means there is no good or bad, there is just whatever God arbitrarily says at the moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437961246
48640734,48656113,2015-07-27 02:04:21,"The universe exists, so it must have a reason to exist. We call that reason God, even if you stupid fucks don't. How could a mindless universe possibly exist for no reason",,Anonymous,einstein_god_bad_argument_atheist_science_without_religion_is_lame.jpg,kTWEsCJSWofFv4RC4tnHAA==,US,,1437962661
48640734,48656223,2015-07-27 02:07:53,">>48656113
How can you conceive of ""nonexistence"" in the first place? 
Einstein was of course, a Deist. he did not believe in a personal God, just a very vague force behind everything. That however was a personal belief and he was not infallible as a scientist or a philosopher.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437962873
48640734,48656262,2015-07-27 02:09:29,">>48656223
>How can you conceive of ""nonexistence"" in the first place?
I can't, as God always was and will be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437962969
48640734,48656371,2015-07-27 02:13:46,">>48640884
/thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437963226
48640734,48656431,2015-07-27 02:15:25,">>48656371
That was, like, the beginning of the thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437963325
48640734,48656540,2015-07-27 02:19:24,">>48656113
Why does it have to be a mind that is responsible for everything?
>>48656262
Why can't we just say this about the universe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437963564
48640734,48657329,2015-07-27 02:52:38,"Any requests for formatting on the paste-bin. 
Working on that right now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437965558
48640734,48657420,2015-07-27 02:55:32,">>48657329
Section for refuting various arguments for God's existence. 
Individual sections for showing why some of the main religions are wrong. 
Some guidance section on philosophy and ethics. 
Neitchze summary section. 
Books section. 
Videos section.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437965732
48640734,48657532,2015-07-27 02:59:19,">>48657420
this
also the maybe some intro sections. Like ""what is atheism"", ""how to debate it"", ""how to think rationally, why evidence is important"", etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437965959
48640734,48657805,2015-07-27 03:09:11,">>48657420
>>48657532
what website should I use to host images?
Gonna need a link to our fedorable mascot's art.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437966551
48640734,48657979,2015-07-27 03:14:42,">>48657805
imgur I guess. You can make albums with it too.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437966882
48640734,48658706,2015-07-27 03:42:27,">>48657805
I wish we had more. I'll upload any that aren't in the album",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437968547
48640734,48659185,2015-07-27 04:01:50,">>48658706
Do corruptions count? They weren't very well received...",,Anonymous,transform3.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1437969710
48640734,48659758,2015-07-27 04:23:25,">>48659185
I've seen some people using them around. I say we should",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437971005
48640734,48660106,2015-07-27 04:37:27,,,Anonymous,1400549599799.png,kQOI4B6GZlMKrUZIq49KNg==,MX,,1437971847
48640734,48660159,2015-07-27 04:39:24,>>>/r/atheism,,Anonymous,fedoras.webm,IMVYvSdD75A13I3w8KZBQQ==,MX,,1437971964
48640734,48660239,2015-07-27 04:43:15,">>48660159
>>48660106
Oh damn, ya got us.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437972195
48640734,48660247,2015-07-27 04:43:42,">>48640734
*dips banana*",,Anonymous,1436912375439.jpg,9t4UUic+RyTq6Qk0bcdbVw==,AU,,1437972222
48640734,48660280,2015-07-27 04:45:15,,,Anonymous,321313.png,AQjdF0fQfxkXkM8aZJ66Iw==,MX,,1437972315
48640734,48660299,2015-07-27 04:46:08,">>48660280
>>48660247
I can't handle all this, I'm gonna cry and convert to Christianity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437972368
48640734,48660345,2015-07-27 04:48:09,">>48660247
i-is that theamazingatheist?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1437972489
48640734,48660371,2015-07-27 04:49:43,">>48660299
good goy",,Anonymous,1406018275389.jpg,xtLCZu80mlegG8JIgCBU/w==,MX,,1437972583
48640734,48660391,2015-07-27 04:50:46,">>48660371
Buena maricon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437972646
48640734,48660416,2015-07-27 04:51:53,>>48660391,,Anonymous,1437956981080.gif,wRxNywkMQ8NPYQhz4DJzog==,MX,,1437972713
48640734,48660638,2015-07-27 05:02:48,">>48660416
sometimes I wish I could read taco language",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437973368
48640734,48661383,2015-07-27 05:33:15,"If there is anyone on. Need feedback on the pastbin so far.
Thinking about axing the ""Gods are fading away"" part
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
Also please contribute any art of Fedora-chan we are missing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1437975195
48690788,48690788,2015-07-27 19:34:31,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics. 
>Pastebin resources 
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
Feel free to post more resources to be added to the pastebin.",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437365057798.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1438025671
48690788,48690922,2015-07-27 19:37:21,What's her name?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438025841
48690788,48691022,2015-07-27 19:39:28,">>48690788
>all that autism
I do not understand this. Atheism is lack of belief in supernatural entities. Ok, I respect this. But why would you be obsessed with such a thing? Why would you go out of your way to convince other people to accept your viewpoint? This only means 2 things, 1: you are not an atheist, you are an anti-theist, which means that you have a hidden political agenda, or 2: you feel that you must enlighten people. But to enlighten them, you need to be 100% sure that there are no deities. How can you be THAT sure without proof though?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1438025968
48690788,48691101,2015-07-27 19:40:52,">>48691022
This. I've been an athiest since around 16. I just stopped going to church or talking about it. Easy.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438026052
48690788,48691151,2015-07-27 19:41:45,">>48690788
I don't understand this thread.
t. Atheist for my entire life",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438026105
48690788,48691161,2015-07-27 19:42:06,">>48691022
>Why would you go out of your way to convince other people to accept your viewpoint? 
because the world is literally filled with billions of people deluding themselves on a daily basis that some magic man/magical men/magical women/magical (insert iteration of god) in the sky gives a shit about them
Hell some people even refute evolution, the fact people are allowed to raise there children in ignorance shouldn't be allowed",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438026126
48690788,48691281,2015-07-27 19:44:42,">>48690922
Fedora-chan 
>>48691022
Nice dubs. We usually discuss philosophy, politics, and the stupidity of religions in these threads. Also see the pastebin, or search the archives for atheism general",,Anonymous,1437583759165.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1438026282
48690788,48691350,2015-07-27 19:46:18,">>48691161
>shouldn't be allowed
disregarding this childish comment, you seem to be upset that people believe in something you don't. so what really gives? is it that religion makes people do dumb things (thus you are an anti-theist) or you simply find their opinion about spirituality annoying (thus you are an ""enlightened"" atheist)?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1438026378
48690788,48691423,2015-07-27 19:47:51,">>48691281
how can you be so sure about the lack of a deity? i mean sure enough, to the point of looking down on people who do not agree with you on that subject?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1438026471
48690788,48691463,2015-07-27 19:48:49,">>48691350
If you don't think it's wrong that in 2015 people can still teach there kids creationism or over in the middle east have someone beheaded in the name of allah you must have a screw loose",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438026529
48690788,48691549,2015-07-27 19:50:51,">>48691423
Well, on top of the lack of evidence of claimed deities, we know the history of how current (and some long forgotten) deities were invented, and when they were invented by humans. And the psychological and political motivations for them doing so. 
It's quite fascinating, really",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438026651
48690788,48691714,2015-07-27 19:54:23,Feedback needed: What should be trimmed from the pastebin? What should I concentrate on adding?,,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438026863
48690788,48691768,2015-07-27 19:55:30,">>48691463
>teach there kids creationism
why not? if there was an effective way to teach people about their religion during the middle ages, pope would have been a figurehead ever since 12th century
>>48691549
i may also claim that teleportation is possible in order to get state funding for my project and keep the money for myself. that doesn't necesarily mean that teleportation is not possible.",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1438026930
48690788,48691913,2015-07-27 19:58:50,">>48691768
Heh, I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just pointing out two things:
1. It's a human fictional invention 
2. There is no evidence it exists 
So, yeah. Other things in this category are wizards, unicorns, and elves. I'm not gonna entertain the thought of them seriously existing. And you probably can guess how I feel about people that believe they are real",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027130
48690788,48691915,2015-07-27 19:58:55,">>48690788
For future threads you should post the sub-bins directly.
It's more attractive to see a summary of the sections and tells us more about our resources 
ie...
---THE OVERBIN---
Contains links to all other bins and news
-THE BASICS
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Atheism explained, the case for it, why we have these threads
-VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Videos relevant to atheism
-BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
-FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Art of our Fedorable Mascot, videos of insane theists for the lulz, anything else irrelevant we can think of.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027135
48690788,48691917,2015-07-27 19:58:57,">>48691022
This. Also, secularism is the breeding ground for liberalism and immigrants.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027137
48690788,48692009,2015-07-27 20:01:10,">>48691714
I'll go through it when I get home, make edits, and give feedback",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027270
48690788,48692053,2015-07-27 20:02:04,">>48691913
People do have indications that deities exist. It is just too intangible to be considered as solid proof. However, you still hear about it all the time: sibling telepathy, dream-prophecies, speaking in languages, mentalists, ghosts, sorcery. And Christ is accepted by historicians as a real historical figure, it is his spirituality that people are doubting.",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1438027324
48690788,48692054,2015-07-27 20:02:05,">>48691915
Good idea. Plus I should use green text headers. I posted this from my phone though, so lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027325
48690788,48692072,2015-07-27 20:02:37,">>48691768
Our world needs more and more STEM jobs. Creationism SABOTAGES our future.
It's like trying to teach your kids that 2+2=5 and demanding we take real math away from schools.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027357
48690788,48692151,2015-07-27 20:04:25,">>48692072
>creationism
>belief that an actor caused the world
>philosophy 
>ruining the chillens",,Anonymous,image.jpg,IVuwHSs5bXkGUpgmI/wkfw==,US,,1438027465
48690788,48692178,2015-07-27 20:05:13,">>48692053
Yes, we are constantly bombarded with claims of supernatural and paranormal things. That's why threads like these are a good place to discuss such things",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027513
48690788,48692270,2015-07-27 20:07:13,">>48690788
Reminder that Nietzsche was a syphilitic hack.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438027633
48690788,48692272,2015-07-27 20:07:17,">>48692053
Christ being a historical figure is irrelevant. The Egyptian pharisees are historical figures but we do not accept the claim that they were descendants of Gods.
All the supposed miracles ""proof"" is just hearsay. It's like when one kid tells another kid he met batman IRL. There has never once by any miracles that have been proven with any real science.
There is a fucking guy offering $1 million to the first person that do real magic or a real miracle.
http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027637
48690788,48692344,2015-07-27 20:09:19,">>48692270
That's anti-Nazi propaganda. The Nazis loved Nietzsche so naturally he had to be painted as bad guy
What he had was fucking brain cancer, the same thing that killed his father.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027759
48690788,48692425,2015-07-27 20:11:25,">>48691022
Who cares? these threads are interesting",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438027885
48690788,48692497,2015-07-27 20:12:45,">>48692344
He had syphilis. His sister edited and published his work *for* the Nazis, and *she herself* acknowledged it was syphilis that killed him and drove him crazy before doing so.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438027965
48690788,48692513,2015-07-27 20:13:03,>creationism,,Anonymous,1437746709958.jpg,BiLnl+npDYwtzuIF/XgM0Q==,US,,1438027983
48690788,48692695,2015-07-27 20:17:08,Some OC from these threads. Should these be in the pastebin?,,Anonymous,1437953938558.png,l4mSRtR5xlopEOTTDBBcJg==,US,,1438028228
48690788,48692774,2015-07-27 20:18:47,">>48692497
>syphalis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3313279/Madness-of-Nietzsche-was-cancer-not-syphilis.html
>Sister
Almost all of Nietzche's works were published by himself. It was only the Will to Power and I think one other that his sister was involved in.
She did try to edit his work but she was fucking incompetent. She basically just crossed out sentences she didn't like. Nietzche kept a ton of fucking notes and duplicate copies of his rough drafts so his sister's edits stuck out like a sore thumb.
What his sister primary did was selectively pick quotes from Nietzsche where he criticized the Jews to appeal to Hitler (she was in direct contact with him). Nietzsche himself said his sister couldn't understand his philosophy.
She did attempt to edit Nietzche's",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438028327
48690788,48692816,2015-07-27 20:19:48,">>48692695
If you posted this on /x/, they would laugh at you for not realizing earlier that the demiurge is evil. Gotta love that place.",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1438028388
48690788,48692866,2015-07-27 20:20:52,">>48692695
Good idea.
I'll do that in the next update.
Also which of these sections should I work on next?
-DISCUSSING RELIGION
(coming soon)
Relevant for atheists who want to explain their views to family/friend or start debates. Includes profiles for various religions with their weak-points, profile, and behaviors.
-OUTERLIMIT'S CORNER
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His personal observations about the trends and mindset of atheism and our community.
-NIETZSCHE
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Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's attempt at explaining parts of his philosophy relevant to atheism",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438028452
48690788,48693043,2015-07-27 20:24:56,">>48692270
Reminder that Nietzsches main contribution to atheism is that the morality of christianity and its outlook on life is what is flawed not its truth or falsehood. Nietzsche respected Jesus and Plato his main adversaries.
Nietzsche thought of atheism as a ""dangerous truth"" that truth being god is dead. Evolution was another dangerous truth. They are dangerous because of what they can lead to. Mainly the backwards corrupt degenerate world filled with last men that we have today. Those truths are seen as nihilistic Nietzsche felt it was his duty to find untruths to be accepted to combat that nihilism. The uberman, eternal return, and the rest of his views were his examples untimately he invites us all to discover untruths that we can follow as individuals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438028696
48690788,48693048,2015-07-27 20:25:01,">>48692774
They all thought it was syphilis. His sister said the diagnosis was syphilis, and Nietzsche did utilize prostitution. That's not relevant to the fact that the will to power is a horrendously abominable ethical concoction, and that Nietzsche utterly failed in escaping from the nihilism he so despised.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438028701
48690788,48693116,2015-07-27 20:26:35,">>48693043
Well put.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438028795
48690788,48693153,2015-07-27 20:27:36,">>48693043
There's nothing flawed about the morality of Christianity. Universalized Christian morals make for a completely unobjectionable world. Universalized will to power leads to a world filled with violence deception hate jealousy and conflict.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438028856
48690788,48693453,2015-07-27 20:34:50,">>48692072
""It is for this reason that we must undermine faith, eradicate from the minds of the Gentiles the very principles of God and Soul,
and replace these conceptions by mathematical calculations and material desires.""
-The Fourth Protocol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438029290
48690788,48693548,2015-07-27 20:37:17,">>48693453
We aren't the ones who worship a fucking Jew Christfag.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438029437
48690788,48693570,2015-07-27 20:37:56,">>48693548
Oh Canada, oh Canada",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438029476
48690788,48693700,2015-07-27 20:41:32,">>48693043
Have you even read Nietzsche?
>its outlook on life is what is flawed not its truth or falsehood. 
He quoted Voltaire in one his works saying
""“God's only excuse is that He doesn't exist,""""
He considered Jesus a fucking idiot. He literally says that Jesus would have took back everything he ever taught if he lived a few more years and learned about the world.
He believed that Plato was probably the result of inbreeding and described him as mentally ill.
He criticized Darwin on Semitics. He basically said ""it is not the survival of the fittest but the survive of the most adoptable"" Although in very different words.
His problem was with ""spiritually dead atheists"".",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438029692
48690788,48693740,2015-07-27 20:42:42,">>48693548
Shut the FUCK up Canadian, your people are some of the most blue pilled on this board.",,Anonymous,,,KR,,1438029762
48690788,48693813,2015-07-27 20:44:38,">>48692866
>NIETZSCHE
This",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438029878
48690788,48693936,2015-07-27 20:47:32,">>48693453
The Protocols of the elders of Zionism literally says that Jews are behind both the sell of all alcohol and prohibition. 
Also it literally says all atheists will convert to Judaism. Yes, Hitches who calls Jews barbarians because of circumsition is going to start worshiping their God.
The book was debunked decades ago. The original source material was found to not even exist.
>>48693153
Christianity morality is basically Marxism. If you read Nietzsche;s criticism of their morality it sounds like he is talking about social justice warriors.
He literally talks about the concept of ""privilege"" like in 'white privilege' 
As for where morality will go...Nietzsche believed that power is the source of all goodness. Christian morality says power corrupts and leads to evil.
Who will win in a fight? The person that seeks out power or the person that avoids power?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438030052
48690788,48693979,2015-07-27 20:48:40,This is some really weak shit. Boring. Hopping threads - step up your game in the future.,,Praceteom,,,US,,1438030120
48690788,48694097,2015-07-27 20:51:52,">>48693936
>Christianity morality is basically Marxism
Ha, no. Christian morality encourages people to do the best they can for other people. Just handing people shit is demonstrably one of the worst things you can possibly do to people. You teach them to be thankful and have gratitude for everything in life, while teaching them how to supply themselves and not be a burden to others. Christian morality is duty based, not right based. Nobody is entitled to shit.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438030312
48690788,48694137,2015-07-27 20:52:44,">>48693936
>Christian morality says power corrupts and leads to evil.
yeah a little thing called reality too vindicates the christian view.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438030364
48690788,48694156,2015-07-27 20:53:13,">>48693740
Hey fuck you South Korea. Fucking Christian converts. Fucking Asian traitors. The Chinese ought to skin you alive like their dogs.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438030393
48690788,48694420,2015-07-27 21:00:13,">>48693979
You're a pretty boring guy tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438030813
48690788,48694479,2015-07-27 21:01:37,my favorite general,,Autist AKA atheistman337,1379256196190.jpg,FwZyRiwMGselIaqoF3sJjg==,US,,1438030897
48690788,48694517,2015-07-27 21:02:13,">>48694420
Ugh my fragile ego.
When you respond to people and they just stop talking shit gets dull really fast. This is a dead thread.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438030933
48690788,48694526,2015-07-27 21:02:24,Atheism is truly the only way to be enlightened,,Autist AKA atheistman337,1387079150391.png,9q2b0/uU5Tm5Eao5eD27dQ==,US,,1438030944
48690788,48694535,2015-07-27 21:02:45,">>48694097
>Christian morality encourages people to do the best they can for other people
""What is best?"" is so subjective it can hardly be called Christian or anything else",,Anonymous,1437746545271.jpg,r/+YZ6n7e3cySBhranlFEQ==,US,,1438030965
48690788,48694543,2015-07-27 21:02:56,">>48690788
very nice general, completely agree",,Autist AKA atheistman337,1400993628616.jpg,c7eDeHe5B1zgMi1TpALsQw==,US,,1438030976
48690788,48694566,2015-07-27 21:03:23,god can't be real because I cant see him,,Anonymous,1437703357734.png,IEHxNGQQA0HH+7fzRv3bWw==,US,,1438031003
48690788,48694580,2015-07-27 21:03:44,"pic related, its me",,Anonymous,1405722359099.jpg,Qp9ZL9rxPPAKSM/tvdRZGA==,US,,1438031024
48690788,48694595,2015-07-27 21:04:11,">>48694517
I'm just parroting what you said about yourself in the Catholic general yesterday",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438031051
48690788,48694603,2015-07-27 21:04:20,>mfw christfags still exist,,Anonymous,1436302980441-1.jpg,skqeMKDXfabnPPWEKEonuw==,US,,1438031060
48690788,48694632,2015-07-27 21:05:05,we truly are the enlightened ones,,Anonymous,Gt+new+atheist+fedora+wielding+faggot+gt+calling+me+cringe+_19acbd1cca8a9b2a20ae6034007894a0.jpg,1KzbYx1b2pvViEIwHLpeUg==,US,,1438031105
48690788,48694677,2015-07-27 21:06:04,those christians ruined the lives of poor pagans,,Anonymous,I+can+t+belive+someone+belives+in+this+faggot+he+is+_796c06c76be1f743ce0b556a73472ccf.png,aQb+mKpluGFWab4ex4S+1w==,US,,1438031164
48690788,48694716,2015-07-27 21:06:50,"hello boys, true atheist here",,Anonymous,every atheist ever.jpg,VKsH9oEIREM0RmatQIrcaw==,US,,1438031210
48690788,48694741,2015-07-27 21:07:19,">>48694603
yes goyim, the christians are very evil!",,Anonymous,1392551871647.png,Qkbdhe7F8sG1Y2MhgUehWQ==,US,,1438031239
48690788,48694743,2015-07-27 21:07:22,">>48694677
Ay mon, wanna talk? This spamming seems like a cry for help",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438031242
48690788,48694778,2015-07-27 21:08:20,">>48694535
Ignoring the fact that the determination of what constitutes ""the best"" *isn't* necessarily subjective, helping people live more comfortably, providing for their needs when they can't themselves, and raising them up such that they can help both themselves and others in the future is a natural consequence of what Christ asks of Christians.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438031300
48690788,48694782,2015-07-27 21:08:20,">>48692513
>evolution",,Anonymous,1376248884503.png,yeSm6raxPxNNWvWQZHY+CA==,US,,1438031300
48690788,48694868,2015-07-27 21:10:22,">>48694778
>helping people live more comfortably, providing for their needs when they can't themselves, and raising them up such that they can help both themselves and others in the future
It is your subjective choice to say this is the best.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438031422
48690788,48694891,2015-07-27 21:11:00,">>48694595
aight",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438031460
48690788,48694899,2015-07-27 21:11:11,">>48694137
>but power DOES make evil
Nietzsche believed that all value judgments were relative, subjective, perspective. There is no real good and evil (Nietzsche does have his own idea of good or evil but those too are relative). Your worldview is a reflection of your mental health.
The idea that 'power is evil' comes from the powerless. They feel oppressed by the strong ""what is hurting us!""
""IT's POWER. We must get rid of power!""
Power is life itself, it is the way in which things happen.
The slave is not interested in Justice. He is only interesting in helping himself. He calls the one he hates powerful and tries to destroy him.
For insight into this look at the #blacklivesmatter movement. They scream 'power...evil' at white men. That is the perspective that 'power is evil'.
For the perspective that power is good. Look at Alexander the Great.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438031471
48690788,48694904,2015-07-27 21:11:13,">>48692151
>evolution
>belief we came from some monkey men
>but the monkey men came from fish with legs
>and the fish with legs came from brainless organisms",,Anonymous,fag.jpg,/kTU8S6xj//QwhWS6xXaBw==,US,,1438031473
48690788,48694946,2015-07-27 21:12:03,">>48694904
Don't worry champ, one day you'll be a fish with legs",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438031523
48690788,48694949,2015-07-27 21:12:09,">>48694868
God says that is the best. Since God determines ultimate reality it's objective.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438031529
48690788,48695055,2015-07-27 21:15:03,">>48694778
So Mr. ""helping people is best""
Have you volunteered at the homeless shelter?
How much of your money do you donate to Africa?
Did you follow your God's advice
>""Jesus answered, ""If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
No you didn't you little wurm. Because you don't want to spend the rest of your life donating your blood to leaches. You pretend to follow Jesus because it makes you look morally superior. But deep down you are much closer to what Nietzsche desired.
Go ahead, make excuses about why you arn't selling everything, why you don't work 7 days a week at the homeless shelter, why you dont give to Africans. You will only be condemning the Christian virtues you praised.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438031703
48690788,48695070,2015-07-27 21:15:19,">>48694949
That's an appeal to authority, but also is fundamentally self-contradictory as he pointed out. Basically it comes down to this:
>Does God say X is good because it is good?
OR
>Is X good because God says it is?
If you say the first is true, then you don't need God to tell you it is good. His word is meaningless, it was already good.
If you say the second one is true, then that opens the possibility of God one day just saying ""raping and eating your children is the best thing you can do in your life"". Which basically means there is no good or bad, there is just whatever God arbitrarily says at the moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438031719
48690788,48695151,2015-07-27 21:17:27,">>48694741
Christians aren't evil--that would be a complement. They are just fucking stupid.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438031847
48690788,48695196,2015-07-27 21:18:40,">>48695070
Please don't quote babby Republic. I'm working on a masters - you're not talking with someone who isn't familiar with this subject. X is good because God says it. Yes I'm appealing to authority - God is the ultimate authority. He *existentially determines* what the *truth* of morality consists in as a matter of necessity.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438031920
48690788,48695221,2015-07-27 21:19:27,">>48695151
yes goy very stupid, jewish people are the smart one",,Anonymous,1401301925027.jpg,wypVUm/2AVT/f29Dzjvk0Q==,US,,1438031967
48690788,48695248,2015-07-27 21:20:05,">>48695196
>God says it.
You heading voices, m8?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032005
48690788,48695260,2015-07-27 21:20:26,">>48695055
Not part of this conversation at all, I just wanted to say that your post is really making me think in a new way",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032026
48690788,48695319,2015-07-27 21:21:44,">>48695248
*hearing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032104
48690788,48695340,2015-07-27 21:22:10,">>48695196
and you do not listen to your God as I fucking told you hear.
>>48695055
You just pick your favorite quotes and your favorite interpretations, the ones you believe most benefit you.
Jesus answered, ""If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven"" does not benefit you. So you ignore it or interpret it mean something that is not relevant to your life.
The ""authority"" you are appealing IS YOURSELF.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438032130
48690788,48695403,2015-07-27 21:23:46,">>48695340
>The ""authority"" you are appealing IS YOURSELF.
This tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032226
48690788,48695420,2015-07-27 21:24:07,">>48695055
>Have you volunteered at the homeless shelter?
I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere - there aren't homeless shelters for hundreds of miles. I'm taking care of my family, which is a concurrent obligation. But what individual people are doing is utterly irrelevant to the ideal - mister ""oh so rational"" atheist should have a basic understanding that fallacies aren't good ways to argue.
Also I'm a sinner. I'm exactly the same morally to you. But I at least *recognize* the ideal - you (almost assuredly) pretend not to see it so you can lead a life without such powerful obligations.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032247
48690788,48695474,2015-07-27 21:25:16,">>48695221
They are smarter than you. They are smarter than Christians. It is the Christians who lost their countries to the Jews. Not the Muslims, not the Hindus, and not the Atheists (Chinese). So much for the ""Great"" Christians.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438032316
48690788,48695507,2015-07-27 21:25:47,">>48695248
It's recorded in the Bible m8.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032347
48690788,48695511,2015-07-27 21:25:54,"OP. Shit man. Its just you posting htis and responding to yourself every god damn day. Go watch cosmos or something. Quit shit postung,",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032354
48690788,48695562,2015-07-27 21:26:55,">>48695420
>100% convinced of Christianity 
>disobeys simple, direct orders from Christ 
Lol, how's the master's thesis coming? I'm sure it will be ground breaking",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032415
48690788,48695604,2015-07-27 21:27:52,">>48695340
Of course I listen to my God sir can't-make-a-coherent-argument-so-he-makes-personal-attacks-instead-of-adressing-the-actual-subject-matter-chan. I fall short, but I'm trying. Also τέλειος is the original word - perfect is a horrid translation of it.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032472
48690788,48695630,2015-07-27 21:28:31,">>48695562
>disobeys
What am I disobeying?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032511
48690788,48695637,2015-07-27 21:28:40,">>48695507
Bible was written by Jews, not a god. 
So seriously, I'm concerned... Are you hearing voices?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032520
48690788,48695655,2015-07-27 21:29:10,">>48695630
This >>48695055",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032550
48690788,48695750,2015-07-27 21:31:27,">>48695637
Bible was recorded by Jews*. Many jews, who were disciples of the man they wrote about, concurrently with others who were not disciples but nevertheless lived and witnessed Christ in antiquity.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032687
48690788,48695785,2015-07-27 21:32:27,">>48695750
Lol, okay. So Jews wrote about Jews. 
Now tell me about the voices",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032747
48690788,48695816,2015-07-27 21:33:06,">>48695655
I literally responded to that already. I'm not disobeying anything. I'm sure I *will* disobey sometime in the future because I'm a sinner, but I am fulfilling Christian obligations right now and through most of my days.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032786
48690788,48695863,2015-07-27 21:34:01,">>48695196
if you are working on a masters you should know there are better answers to that dilemma than appealing to God's authority.
You should also know that there are many historians and other specialist who think that selling everything and leading a life of an ascetic was exactly what Jesus was calling on his followers to do. 
It could also be argued that recognizing the ideal but failing to follow it is worse than simply being ignorance of the ideal, at least if we are going by Catholic morality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438032841
48690788,48695874,2015-07-27 21:34:15,">>48695785
The only voice I hear is Thom Yorke's through my headset m8.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438032855
48690788,48695950,2015-07-27 21:36:14,">>48695604
I fall short, but I'm trying
You take care of your family because your family will be how you immortalize a little bit of yourself through your children.
>I fall short, but I'm trying
No you aren't. You didn't sell all your possessions. If there no homeless shelter you can go join the peace corps. You can spend your whole life helping poor Africans. Your family can come with you and help. You want them to be good Christians right? The whole family can follow God together and help the poor! For fuck sake you can start converting the Africans too! Save their souls from hellfire.
>perfect is a horrid translation of it.
Oh this totally changes it. I'm sure the origenal translation was just 'really really good'. Don't need to listen to your own fucking God.
This is YOUR AUTHORITY. You are the one that decided that Jesus didn't real mean what he said he mean or that the quote is not important.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438032974
48690788,48695979,2015-07-27 21:36:53,">>48695070
>he hasn't solved Euthyphro",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438033013
48690788,48696071,2015-07-27 21:39:05,">>48695816
>I'm not disobeying anything
I'll know when you've stopped disobeying because you'll have sold your computer.
>>48695874
Interesting, so not only do you not address the Euthyphro dilemma, you're appealing to a the authority of Jews.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438033145
48690788,48696116,2015-07-27 21:40:03,">>48695863
>better answers to that dilemma than appealing to God's authority
Not for a Christian, who is already committed to an all-loving omnipotent creator God. Which is me.
>You should also know that there are many historians and other specialist who think that selling everything and leading a life of an ascetic was exactly what Jesus was calling on his followers to do
There are also many who refute that point given how many of Christ's apostles kept their own work and homes with families concurrently with their discipleships. The ideal for a man whose responsibilities lie with no one - a man who lives on an island alone - may find completeness in God in the life of an aesthetic bearing His word, but for all other people, whose lives are intermingled and dependent on eachother to continue on in the world, they have concurrent obligations that certainly leave that out as an option. Christ would not have father's abandon their children and wives.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438033203
48690788,48696176,2015-07-27 21:41:37,"I hope the christians get buttmad
fuck their dogma, GO READ A NDE EXPERIENCE OF A ATHIEST",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438033297
48690788,48696183,2015-07-27 21:41:46,">>48696071
My computer allows me to talk to you about Christ m8. That's way more Christian utility than selling it would achieve.
>Interesting, so not only do you not address the Euthyphro dilemma
I literally and explicitly endorsed a premise. You gotta learn to read nerd.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438033306
48690788,48696223,2015-07-27 21:43:02,">>48695950
>assumptions and not-arguments: the post",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438033382
48690788,48696256,2015-07-27 21:44:01,">>48696183
>My computer allows me to talk to you about Christ m8. That's way more Christian utility than selling it would achieve.
Apparently not, since Christ himself says to sell it.
>I literally and explicitly endorsed a premise.
You endorse the second premise? The one where objective good and evil don't exist? That contradicts what you said earlier",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438033441
48690788,48696330,2015-07-27 21:45:22,">>48691463
>Can't even grasp the basics of the English language as an Englishman
>Thinks he has found the one true ""red pill"" and probably thinks himself intelligent",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438033522
48690788,48696360,2015-07-27 21:46:32,">>48696256
God determines objectivity. God determines every facet of physical and metaphysical reality you can possibly imagine, and all those you couldn't possibly imagine.
>Apparently not, since Christ himself says to sell it
No He didn't. He said - ""If you want to be complete - "" That's a conditional. It's not a command. You guys really suck at reading.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438033592
48690788,48696526,2015-07-27 21:52:08,">>48696360
>""If you want to be complete - "" That's a conditional. It's not a command
So I'm guessing you have found it more moral in the eyes of God to shitpost on 4chan instead of taking Jesus' advice on becoming complete? Truly, Christ is saying this is what is best. You should pursue it.
>God determines objectivity
But he does so subjectively. (unless you think he lacks free will). There's also the possibility that he is being tricked by a Cartesian Demon into thinking he is God, which means he can't truly be omniscient and can't absolutely know for certain what is best in morality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438033928
48690788,48696624,2015-07-27 21:54:55,">>48694743
umad bro",,Anonymous,1437443418183.png,WseeD2klYL/DtCkJGExCrA==,US,,1438034095
48690788,48696632,2015-07-27 21:55:08,">>48696360
>""Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.""
So here you are living a life and there are poor kids in Africa living off less than a dollar a day.
It seems that you REALLY don't want to have to take your family to a shit hole life Africa, sell off all your fun things, and use it to be a whole bunch of farming stuff to start helping Africans. You really don't give 2 shits that they might be facing hell-fire for worshipping their voodoo Gods.
Your bible interpretation says you should keep doing exactly what you want to right here in this comfy life of yours.
And you TOTALLY can to this through reading the bible and realizing it is the will of God. Not YOUR WILL.
Do you even donate a penny to Africa? I'm sure if you got a lower internet connection speed or went out to eat less you could really make a difference in their lives. But hey God says that the nice restaurant you went to is more important than helping the poor.
FUCKING HYPOCRITE",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438034108
48690788,48696656,2015-07-27 21:55:51,">>48696526
That's best for the family-less bachelor. That's very obviously not best for anyone else, because it leaves them without the necessary things Christians need to be able to help others with. Like a functioning body. There are concurrent obligations with Christians, which overlap and don't supersede eachother. The Christian has freedom to choose pursuit of those things that they might accomplish best. I'm best in the academy, and my talents will be used for Christ there.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034151
48690788,48696673,2015-07-27 21:56:20,">>48695511
>cosmos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438034180
48690788,48696758,2015-07-27 21:58:48,">>48696656
>a family-less bachelor can do it
>but I can't
>because it will leave me without a functioning body
>but it won't do that to the bachelor
My fucking sides.
>The Christian has freedom to choose pursuit of those things that they might accomplish best. I'm best in the academy
Did Jesus say ""Pursue your worldly talents""?, did he say ""Go waste time in academy and shitposting""? No. He said go sell all your belongings.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438034328
48690788,48696784,2015-07-27 21:59:29,">>48696526
>But he does so subjectively
Whatever God ""subjectively"" determines is existentially objective law for us.
>here's also the possibility that he is being tricked by a Cartesian Demon
That violates the conception of God Christians use in the first place, in which God is the ultimate existence, beyond/above which there is nothing else. You can say ""uh, but it's possible-"" but we don't care. We're already committed to *the* God - it's fundamental.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034369
48690788,48696808,2015-07-27 22:00:22,">>48696632
You guys always suck such ass at quoting the Bible. Tell me; *why* do you think it's hard (not impossible) for the rich man to enter heaven?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034422
48690788,48696866,2015-07-27 22:01:47,">>48696758
>leave me
>me
It's not me who's the object of concern, it's the people who literally depend on me who I need to provide for. C'mon nerd. C'moooon.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034507
48690788,48696885,2015-07-27 22:02:14,">>48696784
>That violates the conception of God Christians use in the first place, in which God is the ultimate existence
I'm not denying that. I'm just saying, even a God who knows he is the ultimate existence (omnipotent, omniscient, etc.) can still be tricked into thinking these things by a Cartestian Demon
Hence, an omniscient is a contradiction.
Hence, his opinion on morality is subjective",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438034534
48690788,48696917,2015-07-27 22:02:55,">>48696116
>Not for a Christian
What about Aquinas's answer? his was a bit more complex than because God says so.
>There are also many who refute that point given how many of Christ's apostles kept their own work and homes with families concurrently with their discipleships.
It has been awhile since I read the Gospels so I would have to take your word on this at the moment, though most of them did pick up and travel, If tradition is to be believed, across the roman world after his death. Certainly this would have been a huge blow to their families in Judea, who were always short on able bodied men. Early Christians did live in a communal way (Not communist)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438034575
48690788,48696964,2015-07-27 22:04:08,">>48696866
>it's the people who literally depend on me who I need to provide for
Jesus literally doesn't care about your fucking family, m8. Go sell your shit. They should too. Stop adopting your own morals over God's",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438034648
48690788,48696978,2015-07-27 22:04:26,">>48696885
>Hence, an omniscient is a contradiction
No, you're appealing to a *possibility*. It is *also* entirely possible that God *is* as a matter of *sheer truth* the ultimate being, beyond which there is nothing. Since that is *also* a complete possibility, you *cannot* say ""omniscient is a contradiction"", because it's entirely possible that it's not. C'moooooooooooon.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034666
48690788,48697044,2015-07-27 22:06:14,">>48696978
>possible
Yes. Thank you for agreeing with me. It is always possible. Which means He can't know with 100% certainty if it isn't occurring. Which means he isn't omniscient",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438034774
48690788,48697159,2015-07-27 22:08:52,">>48696917
>What about Aquinas's answer? his was a bit more complex than because God says so.
He tied it into natural law. But he did that ultimately just to tie it into the physical. A Christian is already committed to God - God says so is more than sufficient - it is the crux of what makes a command carry ultimate significance.
>If tradition is to be believed, across the roman world after his death
No, that was mostly just Paul and people who came after Paul. And Paul was an unmarried bachelor.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034932
48690788,48697204,2015-07-27 22:09:42,">>48697044
If He's actually the ultimate existence he can.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438034982
48690788,48697217,2015-07-27 22:10:01,">>48697044
I am agnostic (weak atheist) but Ive studied enough theology and philosophy to know that is a stupid argument.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035001
48690788,48697243,2015-07-27 22:10:36,">>48696964
>Jesus literally doesn't care about your fucking family
You wish that was the case so your criticism could go somewhere, but it's not and it doesn't. Happy face.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035036
48690788,48697276,2015-07-27 22:11:11,">>48697204
Oh he is.
Of all the existence He knows about :^)
(omniscience is still a contradiction)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035071
48690788,48697322,2015-07-27 22:12:12,">>48697276
All-knowing is all-knowing. There's nothing contradictory about a quality. What a piss-poor rationale.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035132
48690788,48697384,2015-07-27 22:13:37,>>48692513,,Anonymous,1437526826351.png,PrIUR57q5xkA3EnOl7AlQA==,US,,1438035217
48690788,48697409,2015-07-27 22:14:05,">>48697217
Thanks for the valuable input
>>48697243
So show me where in the Bible it says you should take care of your family instead of following what God himself says will make you complete. 
Or did ""complete"" just mean ""eh, iz bretty gud. Could do better :D""
>>48697322
You said it yourself that the Cartesian Demon was still a possibility.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035245
48690788,48697410,2015-07-27 22:14:06,">>48697159
>A Christian is already committed to God - God says so is more than sufficient
Not if your trying to demonstrate that your faith is in keeping with reason
>>48697159
According to tradition (I am not saying its a historical fact) most of the apostles went around Europe and were martyred. This is supposedly where the patriarchies (including Rome) came from",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035246
48690788,48697422,2015-07-27 22:14:28,">>48691022
you do realize the exact same thing could be said for theists, right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035268
48690788,48697487,2015-07-27 22:15:46,">>48697409
It's a possibility *if* God isn't the ultimate being. If God *is* the ultimate being, then there's *no* possibility. It impinges on ultimate reality, which we don't know.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035346
48690788,48697544,2015-07-27 22:17:13,">>48694677
based shane",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035433
48690788,48697562,2015-07-27 22:17:37,">>48697487
>It impinges on ultimate reality, which we don't know.
And God can't either, for the Demon is not going to reveal this to him.
First thing I'm gonna do when computers like in The Matrix are real? Make world with a God in it, and make him think he is ultimate reality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035457
48690788,48697668,2015-07-27 22:20:01,">>48697410
>Not if your trying to demonstrate that your faith is in keeping with reason
Please. Everything is reducible to (seemingly) unverifiable axioms. Every single soul puts their stake in the ground somewhere - the only questions are where and why.
>>48697410
>According to tradition (I am not saying its a historical fact) most of the apostles went around Europe and were martyred
Don't take stock in Catholic ""historical"" ramblings. So very many things are overblown and falsified.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035601
48690788,48697722,2015-07-27 22:21:27,">>48697562
>And God can't either
If He *is* the ultimate reality, responsible for *everything*, then He *NECESSARILY* knows He's not the subject of a Cartesian Demon, because He would have been *responsible* for its creation and know *perfectly* of it within the world. Jesus Christ mang. This is not hard to wrap your head around.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035687
48690788,48697762,2015-07-27 22:22:23,">>48697668
>the only questions are where and why
Why? For subjective reasons.
>Don't take stock in Catholic ""historical"" ramblings. So very many things are overblown and falsified.
BTFO'd! Aquinas better watch out, this guy almost has a master's degree",,Anonymous,fedora_reddit.png,fmiKNUX0uQn/lSvHZcqV/A==,US,,1438035743
48690788,48697846,2015-07-27 22:24:16,">>48697722
>He would have been *responsible* for its creation
Haha, I think you're thinking of FSM. Because FSM (the true author of creation) made the Cartesian Demon to troll God into thinking those things. Then God unwittingly trolled you into thinking them. Top kok",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035856
48690788,48697890,2015-07-27 22:25:32,">>48697762
>Why? For subjective reasons.
No, to identify if people completely fucked up in their why.
""I believe the world is made of meatballs""
why?
""because my teeth are spaghetti""
*tips flamingo*",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035932
48690788,48697915,2015-07-27 22:26:12,What do atheists think about the idea of evolution being part of God's creation?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438035972
48690788,48697919,2015-07-27 22:26:16,">>48697846
You can't even entertain a basic postulate. Fucking tippity top kekerundo pepperundo.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438035976
48690788,48697935,2015-07-27 22:26:38,">>48697668
>Don't take stock in Catholic ""historical"" ramblings. 
I certainly do not, however this is not just Catholics. this is an assumption shared by all the early Christian Churches (as far as I know) and basically served as the underpinning of all Church (that is to say Christan) authority until the idea of sola scriptora was first floated around.
 >Every single soul puts their stake in the ground somewhere - the only questions are where and why.
perhaps, but we can at least discuss which of those systems appear to conflict with what we can observe, of whether they obey the rules of logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438035998
48690788,48697941,2015-07-27 22:26:45,">>48697890
I can sympathize with the flamingo man, it's how I feel when I talk to most Christians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036005
48690788,48697989,2015-07-27 22:27:58,">>48697915
>atheists
>God
They think he doesn't exist, m8. Hence he can't create anything",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036078
48690788,48698019,2015-07-27 22:28:39,">>48697915
It sounds like rubbish to me. Evolution is already explained by natural processes, it does not need God putting into it.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438036119
48690788,48698058,2015-07-27 22:29:45,">>48698019
What if those natural processes were created by God too?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438036185
48690788,48698129,2015-07-27 22:31:29,">>48697935
There's no basis for confirmation for it, so why stake a claim? They might have, they might have not. Doesn't seem very important.
>or whether they obey the rules of logic
You mean noncontradiction? Because that's the only limiting principle of logic.
You need arbitrary conditionals on what counts as significant or meaningful taken outside of logic to really get anywhere, and agreeing on those outside rules in the first place is itself just drawing lines in the sand.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438036289
48690788,48698155,2015-07-27 22:32:05,">>48698058
maybe they were, There is no empirical evidence that they were however.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036325
48690788,48698279,2015-07-27 22:34:53,">>48698155
You're right, there isn't. It's still a worthwhile conversation to have though. Religious people are so convinced God exists and atheists are so convinced God doesn't exist. Yet there is no ""empirical evidence"" on either side. Truly a sea of opinion.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438036493
48690788,48698361,2015-07-27 22:37:00,">>48698129
>There's no basis for confirmation for it, so why stake a claim? They might have, they might have not. Doesn't seem very important.
because several important bishops in Orthodox and roman Catholicism would have to eat crow if it was proven untrue, In fact it might even rise to the level of infallible dogma, in which case the faith itself would be jeopardized by it.
I do not know what denomination you are, but to Catholics and orthodox, apostolic authority is an indispensable part of their faith",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036620
48690788,48698365,2015-07-27 22:37:07,">>48691714
========FUN STUFF
fedora chan's bday is wrong, it is 17 Jul 2015
add errancy to bottom, perhaps move this to Christian section
=========BOOKS
I'm reformatting and adding more details to the book's section.
=========Basics
Defintion of atheism is wrong, just say ""most atheists also believe...""
mention what god of the gaps is after big bang",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036627
48690788,48698418,2015-07-27 22:38:30,">>48698365
>17 Jul 2015
Er... that should be 15th",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036710
48690788,48698450,2015-07-27 22:39:18,">>48698279
I am not ""so convinced"" God doesn't exist. I doubt God exists, I would be surprised if a God besides a vague deist God exists, but Ive don't discount totally the possibility that he might exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036758
48690788,48698467,2015-07-27 22:39:37,">>48698361
I'm nondenominational Protestant. It's not an indispensable part of their faith - it's equivalent to a mass of cancerous cells.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438036777
48690788,48698527,2015-07-27 22:41:02,">>48698279
I'd like to think that my disbelief in unicorns, fairies, gods, and elves is more than ""just an opinion""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036862
48690788,48698568,2015-07-27 22:42:13,">>48698467
Well that's just like, your opinion man.
In their eyes the bishops are the only legitimate teachers of Christianity, given infallibly over some matters. So if that's undermined the whole thing comes tumbling down like a stack of cards.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438036933
48690788,48698622,2015-07-27 22:43:39,">>48698568
>So if that's undermined the whole thing comes tumbling down like a stack of cards.
Please happen",,Anonymous,1437787433209.jpg,DMpH7p5LJrNmo6jCjvhJVw==,US,,1438037019
48690788,48698642,2015-07-27 22:44:01,">>48698527
I'd like to think that my categorization of mercy, kindness, compassion, forgiveness, generosity, gentleness, and humbleness as virtues is more than ""just an opinion"". Too bad so sad =*( 
#justsadfacethings",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438037041
48690788,48698679,2015-07-27 22:44:57,"Why is this shit on /pol/? Fuck off yo /sci/ or /r9k/ or better yet, reddit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037097
48690788,48698698,2015-07-27 22:45:30,">>48698568
Which is ludicrous. They've been dead wrong in the past and they'll be dead wrong in the future. Individuals ought to be responsible for their own faith, else they find themselves as sheep being herded into the wolves' den.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438037130
48690788,48698727,2015-07-27 22:46:05,">>48698527
Give your proof as to why the toothfairy doesn't exist.
>before you call me an idiot, keep in mind this is a rhetorical question, aimed at pointing out the fact that just because you say something exists/doesn't exist, doesn't make it so.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438037165
48690788,48698728,2015-07-27 22:46:06,">>48698642
>generosity
>humbleness",,Anonymous,devine-jesus.jpg,6J84CUVLI295uxAKvEcHMw==,US,,1438037166
48690788,48698789,2015-07-27 22:47:32,">>48698727
Anon, you seem to have some free time. Take 10 minutes to watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY
Actually the point I'm trying to make is explained in the first 3 minutes tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037252
48690788,48698800,2015-07-27 22:47:52,">>48698728
Nietzsche hated those. You better hate them too. *tips bowling ball*",,Praceteom,il_214x170.700247888_3b98.jpg,TC0clkQkRPU1rZr+u4FU3Q==,US,,1438037272
48690788,48698817,2015-07-27 22:48:14,">>48698698
My problem with that argument is that Catholics and Othodox do have the history (mostly) right after about 100-120 a.d. they can certainly point to the idea of apostolic succession in Christan writings from that period",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037294
48690788,48698831,2015-07-27 22:48:29,">>48698800
Nice dub dubs.
Unfortunately, I don't base my morals off of a logical fallacy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037309
48690788,48698853,2015-07-27 22:48:54,">>48698365
>add errancy to bottom, perhaps move this to Christian section
What?
>Defintion of atheism is wrong, just say ""most atheists also believe...""
What specific part is wrong?
>mention what god of the gaps is after big bang
working on it",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438037334
48690788,48698954,2015-07-27 22:51:10,">>48698817
Who cares about what men did? If our concern is the dictates of God, and not just of traditions of men, then there's no scriptural basis for the policy.
The scriptural justification for apostolic succession is so utterly shoddy. The Catholic big wigs want to keep it forever because it benefits *them*, not because it benefits Christians and their pursuit of following their God.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438037470
48690788,48698959,2015-07-27 22:51:17,">>48698789
>implying Christians believe in a space walrus from Pluto
I get the point you are trying to make though, but the video you linked presented an unfair comparison.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438037477
48690788,48699022,2015-07-27 22:53:06,">>48698831
No, you base them off of your sheer opinion. You won't have any real objection when Jamal turns your boipussy inside out either - it was just his culture after all - no right or wrong ^_^
#justhappyfacethings
#remembertoalwaystipmlady",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438037586
48690788,48699116,2015-07-27 22:55:39,">>48691917
That's not athiesm, that's retarded liberals. They suck the cock of Muslims but actively seek out and attack normal Christian people.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438037739
48690788,48699153,2015-07-27 22:56:21,">>48698954
If it was just Catholics you would have a better point historically speaking. It is not just Catholics however. Eastern Orthodox, Asian, Coptic, etc, all accept the doctrine in some form or another. 
Before the books were agreed apon it was the local bishop who decided what the local church taught, and even who was a Christian and who wasn't. Indeed some of the later books of the bible might not have even been written when the idea first took hold.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037781
48690788,48699190,2015-07-27 22:57:03,">>48698853
>What?
http://errancy.org/
Aren't we gonna have a Christian section eventually?
>What specific part is wrong?
Too much stuff. Atheism is disbelief or a lack of belief in deities.
also see this http://pastebin.com/L8NXQb7W",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037823
48690788,48699251,2015-07-27 22:58:21,">>48699153
Who cares if they accept the doctrine? Just because people do something doesn't mean it's justified. If your justification is ""this is just what we've always done"", or ""hey they're doing it too it must be ok"" then your justification means virtually nothing.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438037901
48690788,48699252,2015-07-27 22:58:21,">>48698959
That isn't the point I'm trying to make. Watch a few minutes after that for fuck's sake. The encyclopedia part",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037901
48690788,48699285,2015-07-27 22:59:12,">>48699153
There are tons of absurd things that are just accepted by laymen because they're desensitized to it.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438037952
48690788,48699288,2015-07-27 22:59:16,">>48699022
You're more interesting to talk to when you aren't having an concussion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037956
48690788,48699299,2015-07-27 22:59:27,">>48695874
>The only voice I hear is Thom Yorke's through my headset m8.
. Will I go to hell if I listen to such music? Or more importantly, is it against God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438037967
48690788,48699330,2015-07-27 23:00:16,">>48698959
Both are supernatural claims.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038016
48690788,48699358,2015-07-27 23:00:50,">>48699288
I haven't posted cute anime girls yet. Can you bring me there m8? Or do you have anything interesting to say whatsoever? I'm all eyes.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038050
48690788,48699366,2015-07-27 23:01:12,">>48699299
Wut.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038072
48690788,48699403,2015-07-27 23:02:16,">suggest condensing it all into pastebin
>done the next day
OP on point. Lookin good, hope I helped. And I'm not even atheist!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438038136
48690788,48699424,2015-07-27 23:02:51,">>48690788
How do atheists combat the ontological, teleological, and cosmological arguments for God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038171
48690788,48699429,2015-07-27 23:03:03,">>48699358
I've already said what I have to say to you. I haven't heard anything new or interesting from you since 2 atheism generals ago.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038183
48690788,48699458,2015-07-27 23:04:01,">>48699424
Post one and I'll give you some starting points",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038241
48690788,48699499,2015-07-27 23:04:55,">wander through forest
>stumble upon log cabin
>huh, somebody must have built this
>wander through universe
>find planet with living beings, plants, etc
>NOPE, NO GOD, ALL RANDOM CHANCE, SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING THEY PROVED IT",,Anonymous,archaeopteryx.jpg,kpsJYtXmrIcUYlkdStLCTw==,US,,1438038295
48690788,48699501,2015-07-27 23:04:56,">>48699251
there argument would be that it is what was passed down by the apostles based on the Teachings and authority given to them by Jesus Christ. That this teaching predates the earliest Gospels 
(Indeed I would argue parts of Acts was written specifically to support this, as well as validates Paul's claim to the authority)
I or course don't believe this, at least not how they tell it. the bishops had motive to claim apostolic succession and the wealth of powers that come with it. It was however a vital part of the evolution of Christianity, and it has a much older claim than protestant ideas most of which frankly did not exist in the ancient world",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038296
48690788,48699536,2015-07-27 23:05:45,Also if Nietzsche was right why did his teachings lead to the Holocaust?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038345
48690788,48699554,2015-07-27 23:06:04,">>48699424
The same way they combat common decency - rejecting perfectly reasonable assumptions and pretending their valuations of 'good/evil' stand up to what God's valuations must be under the same arguments.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038364
48690788,48699584,2015-07-27 23:06:41,">>48699499
>what are supernovas?
>what is gravity?
>what is evolution?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038401
48690788,48699610,2015-07-27 23:07:26,">>48699429
I respond to people - I don't post just to post. 
Bye-nee~",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038446
48690788,48699611,2015-07-27 23:07:31,">>48694097
Not exclusive to Christianity.
People would have been caring and nice thousands of years before christianity, it just took already determined moral codes and edited them to make it seem like a deity wrote them.
All reglious texts were written by humans , ancient humans who didn't understand basic fundamentals of how life works",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438038451
48690788,48699641,2015-07-27 23:08:10,">>48699366
I've heard various interpretations of God's word, some argue that not basing your life around God (and only in him) will lead you to punishment. This is one of the main problems I have Christianity, for religion where it's members reek of self righteousness, it sure is vastly subjective.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038490
48690788,48699674,2015-07-27 23:09:06,">>48694741
You worship a fucking dead jew.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438038546
48690788,48699691,2015-07-27 23:09:29,"Here is ontological:
St. Anselm, Archbishop of Cantebury (1033-1109), is the originator of the ontological argument, which he describes in the Proslogium as follows:
[Even a] fool, when he hears of … a being than which nothing greater can be conceived … understands what he hears, and what he understands is in his understanding.… And assuredly that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, cannot exist in the understanding alone. For suppose it exists in the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality; which is greater.… Therefore, if that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, exists in the understanding alone, the very being, than which nothing greater can be conceived, is one, than which a greater can be conceived. But obviously this is impossible. Hence, there is no doubt that there exists a being, than which nothing greater can be conceived, and it exists both in the understanding and in reality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038569
48690788,48699694,2015-07-27 23:09:33,">>48699501
>and authority given to them by Jesus Christ
See, if they could verify this, then they might have an argument. But they can't.
>(Indeed I would argue parts of Acts was written specifically to support this, as well as validates Paul's claim to the authority)
Both Acts and Romans are heavily out of sync with the Gospels. It's incredibly obvious.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038573
48690788,48699728,2015-07-27 23:10:24,">>48699691
This is meant for 
>>48699458",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038624
48690788,48699740,2015-07-27 23:10:36,">>48699499
I know chances are you'll lie anyways but please for the sake of time can you just say if you're trying to b8 or are this stupid",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038636
48690788,48699767,2015-07-27 23:11:19,">>48699611
>Not exclusive to Christianity.
K. So? Did I say Christian faith was *necessary* for people to do helpful things for one another?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038679
48690788,48699768,2015-07-27 23:11:19,">>48699499
planets aren't log cabins.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038679
48690788,48699782,2015-07-27 23:11:41,">>48694904
How can someone be so disconnected from scientific theory?
Evolution is a fact. 
We know it to be true, one hundred percent. We just find the missing pieces to fit into the human evolutionary tree.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438038701
48690788,48699800,2015-07-27 23:12:11,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRI6Ad0ji_4
>mfw this video makes christfags mad as fuck",,Anonymous,1411845061866.jpg,HjaP7wieNOKNU1TSeCaOEQ==,US,,1438038731
48690788,48699826,2015-07-27 23:12:55,">>48699641
Christians necessarily base their lives around God. That's a necessary implication of being Christian. But that has virtually nothing to do with taste in aesthetics, such as having preference for x music or x art.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038775
48690788,48699846,2015-07-27 23:13:16,">>48699691
If that argument was solid later philosophers would not have felt the need to shore it up",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438038796
48690788,48699899,2015-07-27 23:14:40,">>48699691
Use Godel's augmented version. It's far less open to attack.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438038880
48690788,48699940,2015-07-27 23:16:03,">>48699536
Nietzsche never said ""if you read this book you will never misunderstand it and the world will be a fucking utopia""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438038963
48690788,48699970,2015-07-27 23:16:54,">>48699846
Appeal to authority",,Anonymous,1420756844457.jpg,UdEeLHR+XPtGUCNNKIRFDg==,US,,1438039014
48690788,48699982,2015-07-27 23:17:10,">>48699691
Is he saying something exists because he can think about it?
Derp. I guess elves exist in the same sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039030
48690788,48699987,2015-07-27 23:17:21,">>48699499
I know you're joking but people honestly fucking believe that lmao.
We already know how life forms, evolves and thrives.
We know how planets are created.
If you want a real ""God"" to worship for your creation, look towards the big yellow hot thing a few million miles away.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438039041
48690788,48700028,2015-07-27 23:18:54,">Atheism general
AHAHAHA. You guys are so cute you claim you aren't a religion but want all the attention and lifestyle.
Agnostic here too",,Anonymous,3UZcT.jpg,9ATJfm84kDKJ/+babqMdHw==,US,,1438039134
48690788,48700066,2015-07-27 23:19:49,">>48699899
Check'd and thanks
>>48699940
This is true. I have a question however. what does a practicing Nietzscheist look like?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039189
48690788,48700071,2015-07-27 23:19:52,">>48699970
When you proffer an argument for criticism, it is a guideline of intellectual honesty and rigor that you proffer the best version of that argument. Nerd.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438039192
48690788,48700081,2015-07-27 23:20:03,">>48699691
What connection does a human's thought have to the origin of the universe? I could not have conceived of the being until I existed anyhow.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438039203
48690788,48700102,2015-07-27 23:20:35,">>48700081
>What connection does a human's thought have to the origin of the universe?
A necessary one.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438039235
48690788,48700104,2015-07-27 23:20:44,">>48699190
I will have a section for Christianity, Islam, Judism, and a few other religions.
I probably won't do irrelevant religions like Hinduism (like literally who cares?)
The religious videos in the fun stuff is purely to laugh at. The actual sections will be more more scholarly.
The big question is: What do you want out of a religious section. What is the purpose of it? It could for instance have attack plans, the most effectivily way to argue against it, the pattern that the religious people use in a debate.
>Too much stuff.
What specifically should I trim?
Also I'm working on the new pastebin you sent me",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438039244
48690788,48700130,2015-07-27 23:21:26,90% of americans believe in god. Confirms them uneducated niggers.,,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438039286
48690788,48700162,2015-07-27 23:22:08,">>48700028
Agnostic _______?
>>48700102
And before there were humans?",,Anonymous,1437098037200.png,A94H3Pmnp6IK6pMcYVfx3Q==,CA,,1438039328
48690788,48700218,2015-07-27 23:23:38,">>48700162
It's a one way connection. The origin of the universe is necessary for human thought. That's the connection. Checkmate nerd.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438039418
48690788,48700263,2015-07-27 23:24:38,">>48700218
>one way
Good enough for me.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438039478
48690788,48700274,2015-07-27 23:25:05,">>48699982
This is not the same, because an elf is not an abstract thought. An elf is an amalgamation of perfect existences on earth. God on the other hand is something abstract. Have you ever tried to think of something of which you did not ever hear of or know and ""looks"" like something you had no reference for at all? Even if you did the concept is impossible to conjure up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039505
48690788,48700298,2015-07-27 23:25:42,">>48700104
Don't trim.
I'm just pointing out that atheism isn't the disbelief in ""ghosts, karma, magic"" or whatever. 
Just say ""Most atheists also ... """,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039542
48690788,48700357,2015-07-27 23:27:22,">>48700130
Nice GDP per capita you got there m8. Reeeal nice.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1438039642
48690788,48700388,2015-07-27 23:28:14,">>48700162
>Using that shitty false graph
Agnostic, not sure if God exists or not",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039694
48690788,48700401,2015-07-27 23:28:38,">>48700104
>The big question is: What do you want out of a religious section. What is the purpose of it? It could for instance have attack plans, the most effectivily way to argue against it, the pattern that the religious people use in a debate.
Yeah, I guess just maybe some brief history on the religions, how they are man made, link some resources to be credible.
Possibly just pointing out how there isn't any evidence of any miracles actually ever happening besides hearsay.
Actually, maybe we don't need three sections. We should probably keep it pretty brief until we actually start getting some more religion-specific arguments thrown our way. We shouldn't give them too much credibility by diving into their specifics, after-all: “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039718
48690788,48700446,2015-07-27 23:29:54,">>48700162
>And before there were humans?
There was God. God does not depend upon us to exist, but from thought we can use clues to probe for His existence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039794
48690788,48700486,2015-07-27 23:31:04,">>48700388
Unless you're actively believing in some deities, you're an atheist (in the broadest, weakest sense of the word)
I understand if you don't want to identify as one though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438039864
48690788,48700593,2015-07-27 23:34:06,">>48700388
>implying knowledge and belief are the same thing
Belief is active - you do or don't.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438040046
48690788,48700604,2015-07-27 23:34:26,">>48700446
Agree",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438040066
48690788,48700606,2015-07-27 23:34:29,"Atheism is not a religion you stupid fucking american,you're not an atheist,there is no such thing as an american atheists,you're all religious regardless of your belief or disbelief of a god.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438040069
48690788,48700741,2015-07-27 23:38:10,">>48700606
Cant tell if b8 but
>atheism is not a religion
>preaching about atheism
A religion is a collection of a beliefs, atheistic beliefs are a collection of beliefs that just dont believe in God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438040290
48690788,48700863,2015-07-27 23:41:36,">>48700741
>a collection of a single a belief
Lol, try harder. Atheism is a religious stance, not a religion.
But, just to entertain you, here are some atheistic religions:
>Quakers
>Theravada Buddhists
>LaVeyan Satanists
>Unitarian Universalists 
>Dudeism
>Raelism
>Carvaka",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438040496
48690788,48701069,2015-07-27 23:47:16,">>48700486
>>48700593
Wut. No reason to make it complicated. I just don't know. Most atheists are militant atheists who hate people for what they believe. I actually think Christians are cool.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438040836
48690788,48701127,2015-07-27 23:49:07,">>48701069
Most people I know are Christian, they're pretty cool. You don't have to be militant. Don't get up in people's faces about it. Don't even identify as an atheist IRL.
But us pedantic nerds will point out that lacking belief in deities is a form of atheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438040947
48690788,48701273,2015-07-27 23:53:08,">>48701069
>most atheists are militant
Then just don't be one, but if you don't actively believe there's a god (creator, first mover etc) then you're an atheist. Not complicated at all. You an agnostic atheist which is bretty gud.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438041188
48690788,48701322,2015-07-27 23:54:38,">>48701273
>bretty gud
Best-tier, imo. It's honest about what we can't know and honest about what is reasonable to believe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438041278
48690788,48702519,2015-07-28 00:26:56,bump,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438043216
48690788,48702607,2015-07-28 00:29:01,">stealing other people's chans
at least be original",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438043341
48690788,48702746,2015-07-28 00:32:12,">>48702607
we have more original work than re-colored christ-chan
http://imgur.com/a/AeGq8",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1438043532
48690788,48703124,2015-07-28 00:42:18,"This is the format I am thinking about using for our profiles on religion.
Right now I only have a section on Judaism.
I need feed-back. If you like this the other religions will have a simlar format.
What's missing? What's unneeded? What should be changed?
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2",,OuterLimits,Most Valuable Goy.png,fy+kV65neNeWP6as/Bze8A==,US,,1438044138
48690788,48703373,2015-07-28 00:49:37,">>48703124
this is a good resource:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
You should totally watch it :-)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438044577
48690788,48704300,2015-07-28 01:13:29,"Early Christianity was structurally and behaviorally an end of the world cult, and one of many messianic cults active at the time. Jesus was the cult leader, the 12 apostles were the original members. 
1. Claims world is ending imminently (1 John 2:18, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34)
2. Wants you to give away belongings and follow him ( Luke 14:33, Matthew 19:21, Luke 18:22)
3. Wants you to cut off family who interfere (Matt. 10:35-37, Luke 14:26, Matthew 19:29)
4. Unverifiable reward if you believe (Heaven, i.e. the carrot)
5. Unverifiable punishment if you disbelieve (Hell, i.e. the stick)
6. Sabotages the critical thinking faculties you might otherwise use to remove it (Proverbs 3:5, 2 Corinthians 5:7, Proverbs 14:12)
7. Targets children and the emotionally/financially vulnerable for recruitment (sunday schools, youth group, teacher led prayer, prison ministries, third world missions)
This is a very old routine people were pulling well before Jesus came along and which people still pull today (David Koresh, Wayne Bent, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, etc) Jesus was one of the few whose cult outlived his death.
The observant might notice that this sort of thing works very much like a chain letter, multilevel marketing or a botnet, but with humans instead of computers. All examples of information structured in such a way as to motivate patterns of behavior which reinforce, defend and spread it to as many hosts as possible for as long as possible.",,Anonymous,cultstructure.jpg,Ww3SXxBJG9xBJ/wb/SX3Uw==,US,,1438046009
48690788,48704337,2015-07-28 01:14:21,"Don't mind me, this stuff's not directed at any of you. Just dumping resources for anyone to make use of.",,Anonymous,question.png,p5biK0Pqu9umIlIxwf9JyA==,US,,1438046061
48690788,48704350,2015-07-28 01:14:54,,,Anonymous,jesusspeech.jpg,J3d7iKWzUdiF3QltztjXoA==,US,,1438046094
48690788,48704489,2015-07-28 01:18:26,">>48704300
Excellent work, anon.
I see a lot of Christians commonly claim that the apostles were martyred for Christianity, so it must be true because they were so convinced! You should tie in that parallel with modern suicide cults like Heaven's Gate or Peoples Temple",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438046306
48690788,48704584,2015-07-28 01:20:41,">>48704489
I find it more effective to point out the thousands of Mormons exterminated by the government in early America who would not renounced their faith even at gunpoint. Assuming I'm not speaking to a Mormon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438046441
48690788,48704721,2015-07-28 01:25:12,">>48704584
>who would not renounced their faith even at gunpoint
source on this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438046712
48690788,48704853,2015-07-28 01:29:13,">>48704721
It's Wikipedia, but it's a good place to start and the sources are at the bottom as usual
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Executive_Order_44",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438046953
48690788,48704876,2015-07-28 01:30:08,">>48691161
>>48691161
>Hell some people even refute evolution
England has been Godless for a long time.
Evolution doesnt make sense, see David Berlinski
>inb4 Jew",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438047008
48690788,48704993,2015-07-28 01:33:34,">>48704853
Looks like they were trying to kill or drive the Mormons out, not make them renounce their faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438047214
48690788,48705145,2015-07-28 01:37:15,">>48704876
>Evolution doesnt make sense, see David Berlinski
Nothing makes sense until you understand it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438047435
48690788,48705202,2015-07-28 01:39:13,"The amount of evolutionay deniers is insane!
At first I thought this was just a meme or shit posting.
I'm actually disinterested in the pastebin project now. Proving evolution is so easy there is no fucking challenge! But even if you show the idiots the proof they will just ignore it and come back the next day saying the same thing.
It actually sort of works in atheists ADVANTAGE to keep these people around. They ruin the reputation of theists, more rational theists hate creationists because they make their religion look like a lunatic asylum.
I really hope we can work together with the theists to create a society with 75-90% rational atheists and 25-10% tin-foil- hat wearing, young earth, NWO believing, theists.
Have you guys checked out Age of Deceit or Vigilant Christian in the Fun Stuff section.
That is where theism is headed!",,OuterLimits,1310221701110.jpg,Lo1qAyeYXWXnDwAnVDlIrw==,US,,1438047553
48690788,48705229,2015-07-28 01:40:02,good shit go౦ԁ sHit thats some goodshit rightth ere rightthere if i doƽaү somy self i say so thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷM HO0OଠOOOOOOଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ Good shit,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438047602
48690788,48705339,2015-07-28 01:42:36,">>48704876
Why do mathematicians have so many opinions about biology?
>>48705202
>Have you guys checked out Age of Deceit or Vigilant Christian in the Fun Stuff section.
Yes, good stuff OuterLimits",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438047756
48690788,48706239,2015-07-28 02:10:55,">>48705202
Do you think Symphony of Science should go in Fun Stuff?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438049455
48690788,48706735,2015-07-28 02:29:49,">>48706239
Here are two good ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGINaRUEkU",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438050589
48690788,48707109,2015-07-28 02:43:32,">>48706735
I've never been much into Saint Sagan. But sure.
I'll probably also add some atheist related Youtube poops.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438051412
48690788,48707146,2015-07-28 02:44:52,">>48691022
Because world terrible filled with assholes and we feel the urge to make it better by spreading the reason.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438051492
48690788,48707297,2015-07-28 02:49:55,">>48707146
I'm just here to talk to other atheist/agnostics. I could care less if the world was filled with religious people as long as they aren't shoving it down my throat. 
Atheists don't have a lock on reason. I was plenty reasonable when I was a Catholic, I just had different assumptions about the nature of the world. That's fine, I'm happier now, and I think the facts bear out my decision to leave the church, but that's it. embracing an ideology doesn't make you smart.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438051795
48690788,48707303,2015-07-28 02:50:08,">>48707109
>atheist related Youtube poops.
lel, I was gonna suggest something like this too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438051808
48690788,48707393,2015-07-28 02:53:39,">>48707297
Yeah, but Catholics have historically (and presently) been known for:
>Childhood indoctrination
>Lobbying to add God to the money, motto, and pledge
>Teaching catholicism to children in public schools (especially before Lemon)
>Making laws to ban gay marriage based on religious beliefs
>spreading faith by the sword
>working with fascists in WWII
>spanish inquisition",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438052019
48690788,48707430,2015-07-28 02:55:11,">>48707297
> Atheists don't have a lock on reason.
True.
> I was plenty reasonable when I was a Catholic
You can't be reasonable and accept faith.
> embracing an ideology doesn't make you smart
I don't pretend to be smart.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438052111
48690788,48707628,2015-07-28 03:01:56,">>48707393
Teaching children any ideology can be call indoctrination, you can bet I wont be teaching my young children to disagree with my world view.
as for the other stuff, yeah that did all of that. Until the last century the church heriarchy were monarchists and they never accepted classical liberalism in the strict sense of the word. 
But its a fallacy to equate immoral and hypocritical actions with the ideology itself. Most people throughout history have participated or condoned terrible things. that's part of being human. Atheism will not change that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438052516
48690788,48707682,2015-07-28 03:04:15,">>48704300
For a cult it sure preached a lot of moral lessons that even todays first worlders struggle to live up to,
> A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 
> Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 
> You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. 
> In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” 
For a cult it looks like Christians who adhere to the commandments of Jesus are far better people than any atheist. Those monsters, their plan was to brainwash people into treating each other with kindness, respect and love. We need to get back to secular values like letting millions starve in the streets, like every officially atheist regime in the history of the world has done",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438052655
48690788,48707717,2015-07-28 03:05:30,">>48692513
Creationism is dumb so is evolution
Intelligent design is where's is at",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438052730
48690788,48707722,2015-07-28 03:05:40,">>48707628
>Teaching children any ideology can be call indoctrination, you can bet I wont be teaching my young children to disagree with my world view.
By that do you mean you will dogmatically teach your children there is no god and we should have faith in science?
Or do you mean teach your children to reason, think critically, look for evidence, and come to their own conclusions?",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1438052740
48690788,48707752,2015-07-28 03:06:47,">>48707430
judging by the way the guy up top trounced so many people here I would disagree. 
I don't even agree withe the guy, but he does demonstrate that most people here dont have a grasp on even basic philosophy. I took philosophy in college but I know I probably will not win a philosophy debate against a guy who is studying for his masters Now when I shifted the debate to the history of Chistianity I did pretty well but I degress..
Its pretty easy to construct a ""faith"" worldview from a few basic assumptions about the nature of the universe, and as long as you dont challenge those assumptions it holds up pretty well. Obviously I did so I am not a Christan anymore, but there are probably Chisitans who are better logicians than me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438052807
48690788,48707800,2015-07-28 03:08:38,">>48707722
>Or do you mean teach your children to reason, think critically, look for evidence, and come to their own conclusions?
Well you know they taught me most of that in Catholic school, they just didn't give me all the evidence and opposing world views I needed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438052918
48690788,48707825,2015-07-28 03:09:28,">>48707682
Christianity doesn't have monopoly over good morals and reason. I'm pretty sure that good morals were listed in earlier works by Greek philosophers but sane people don't need to boast about the source of good morals (parents? education?) according to which they live. And this list of Christian commandments didn't prevent its followers to behave like ruffians from the very beginning.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438052968
48690788,48707902,2015-07-28 03:12:08,>>>/r/atheism,,Anonymous,fedoras.webm,IMVYvSdD75A13I3w8KZBQQ==,MX,,1438053128
48690788,48707943,2015-07-28 03:13:51,">>48707682
>Christians who adhere to the commandments of Jesus are far better people than any atheist
You really dropped the ball their, anon. No one is gonna listen to a ""holier than thou"" fellow preach his own arrogance.
>most people here dont have a grasp on even basic philosophy
Neither does he. I'm almost certain he isn't working on a master's degree by the way he viewed and believed in such simplistic ideas like divine command theory. Which is an idea that hasn't been taken seriously by philosophers in thousands of years He also seems pretty detached from reality, he is a young earth creationist for example.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438053231
48690788,48707960,2015-07-28 03:14:31,">>48707752
The second part of >>48707943 was meant for you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438053271
48690788,48708044,2015-07-28 03:17:46,">>48707943
>He also seems pretty detached from reality, he is a young earth creationist for example.
he said that, wow.. Still he at least had some knowledge of the literature. and a few people here dont even seem to understand certain long standing philosophical arguments. 
In any case it is quite possible for smart people to hold silly beliefs and still do good work in their field as long as they keep those separate to some degree",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438053466
48690788,48708087,2015-07-28 03:19:24,">>48690788
As a theist, I've always wondered, how do atheists manage to keep away from becoming complete nihilists?
I think if I believed death was the end of it I'd really just lose my will to do anything. At most I'd probably become a complete hedonistic fuck.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438053564
48690788,48708100,2015-07-28 03:19:45,">>48707825
I never said it had a monopoly, but it's definitely a guide to being a decent human being, and all people need guidance in their lives, to reaffirm what it is they care about and how to live their life in a way that enriches the lives of the people around you. Christianity gives you the structure you need to do that, and that's why Christians are 3 times more likely to be involved with charitable or volunteer organizations than agnostics/atheists",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438053585
48690788,48708160,2015-07-28 03:21:21,">>48708100
No it doesn't and if you're gonna ignore what I said I see no point in further discussion with you.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438053681
48690788,48708183,2015-07-28 03:22:13,">>48708087
Well, first of all, Nihilism and Hedonism are two very different things.
And Hedonism isn't so bad, John Mill was a hedonist. A lot of his ideas are ideas that this country was founded on. ""Hedonism"" is only a dirty word to Christians, because they seek a paradise on heaven rather than on earth.
Myself, I'm a secular humanist. Truly, you just choose what is valuable to you. It's like choosing what kind of music you like, what kind of art, what kind of video games. You choose your values. 
Pic related.",,Anonymous,values.png,vp+ss8HFYZqOCdlYIbJpDg==,US,,1438053733
48690788,48708274,2015-07-28 03:25:19,">>48708183
Problem is hedonism is pointless because your consciousness will be extinguished anyway, taking all the experience and knowledge with it. Whats the difference between a consciousness of a dead person and a person who never existed? Nothing. You are the same as a person who had never been born.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438053919
48690788,48708295,2015-07-28 03:26:02,">>48708274
Things need not be eternal to be valuable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438053962
48690788,48708352,2015-07-28 03:28:04,">>48708295
Value is only a concept created by consciousness and is as much self delusion as religion is.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438054084
48690788,48708355,2015-07-28 03:28:07,">>48708183
>Nihilism and Hedonism are two very different things.
I'm aware, I'm just saying they sound to me like the most logical progressions from atheism.
The two branches of that train of thought that would make sense to me, if I were an atheist, is what I mean.
I can't picture myself believing death as the end of it and still finding a genuine reason to give a fuck about humanity.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438054087
48690788,48708362,2015-07-28 03:28:29,">>48708352
Value is subjective, like beauty.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438054109
48690788,48708405,2015-07-28 03:29:58,">>48708355
>I can't picture myself believing death as the end of it and still finding a genuine reason to give a fuck about humanity.
I guess I simply don't need the threat of eternal torture to be a decent human being and help humanity flourish.
Perhaps one day you will too.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438054198
48690788,48708505,2015-07-28 03:33:26,">>48708362
Exactly? I thought the whole point of atheism is that you believe in an objective truth? If you're clinging to subjective things to give meaning to your life then how do you justify saying religion is wrong?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438054406
48690788,48708570,2015-07-28 03:36:21,">>48708405
But it's not the threat of eternal torture that makes me be a decent human. You're just assuming things.
I'm not even christian, for that matter.
It's the belief in continuity. That life, and humanity, isn't something that I can just ignore after I'm gone. I can't just fuck off and say Fuck You World, because like it or not, I'm eternally linked to humanity. Which means I have an actual reason to give a shit about humanity's moral advancement.
Which isn't something I could honestly feel if I actually were an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438054581
48690788,48708659,2015-07-28 03:40:07,">>48708505
Things we must analyze objectively:
>The dimensions of a cat
>God exists
>Giving money to the poor makes them happier
Things we must analyze subjectively (i.e. they are contingent on some individual person):
>Cats are cute
>God is just
>Making the poor happy is a good thing
To be subjective is to be contingent on an individual, and so is not universally true. For example, the statement ""cats are cute"" could be disproved by a single person thinking they aren't cute. 
Everything else is objective. It isn't contingent on any individuals. Raw knowledge is described, studied, and transmitted through words.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438054807
48690788,48708721,2015-07-28 03:42:29,">>48708570
>I'm eternally linked to humanity
Humanity continues after you die, whether you are in heaven or not.
You'll probably find it surprising that I think the opposite of you. If this world is one to just pass away, and the true life is waiting for me after death, then this world doesn't matter. We should all just die and get on to the real reality. Humanity's advancement is meaningless, since their death is the ultimate ""advancement"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438054949
48690788,48708834,2015-07-28 03:45:57,"So I still want some feedback on the RELIGION'S PROFILES I wrote. 
>added a lot of videos to fun stuff
>Nietzsche's page is live. Fucking long",,OuterLimits,1423371594991.jpg,W4w+EIB38HQ4NwO+XL5I/g==,US,,1438055157
48690788,48708925,2015-07-28 03:49:07,">>48708721
>Humanity continues after you die, whether you are in heaven or not.
Did you die and check? I know I didn't.
These sorts of things are why I'm fully aware that I couldn't live with tranquility as an atheist.
>If this world is one to just pass away, and the true life is waiting for me after death
And this isn't what I believe in. Even christians believe that your efforts on Earth directly reflect on what happens to you after you die.
While I'm not a christian myself, I believe my life on earth and after it have the same weight. But the idea of something after it allows me to actually believe that my efforts have some sort of importance in the grand scheme of things.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438055347
48690788,48708962,2015-07-28 03:50:36,">>48708834
The ""Observations"" part of Judaism seems largely irrelevant.
Not sure what the point of saying they are turning secular so much throughout. 
I'm gonna trust your neitzsche section is good :P I'll read it later when I'm not so sleepy. I doubt I'll be able to give any feedback though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438055436
48690788,48709004,2015-07-28 03:52:01,">>48708659
>and so is not universally true
What IS universally true? The dimensions of a cat change depending on your frame of reference and are thus subjective, as is anything within time and space.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438055521
48690788,48709058,2015-07-28 03:54:45,">>48708925
>Did you die and check? I know I didn't.
Heh, no but plenty of people have died and humanity didn't implode. I see no reason for this trend to discontinue, just as I predict the earth will still be orbiting tomorrow.
>Even christians believe that your efforts on Earth directly reflect on what happens to you after you die.
Well I believe this too, but not about me but for humanity. I influence the world I live in, in a small way. 
> I believe my life on earth and after it have the same weight.
Exactly, this life is important. So why not improve it?
>But the idea of something after it allows me to actually believe that my efforts have some sort of importance in the grand scheme of things.
My contributions are part of the grandest of schemes, all of existence itself, and the only life that we know of. Here, think about it like this: This is the afterlife. This is all there is. When you live, you change all of existence with your actions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438055685
48690788,48709076,2015-07-28 03:55:33,">>48709004
That's relativity, not subjectivity. 
The effects of relativity are universal, and can be studied objectively.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438055733
48690788,48709190,2015-07-28 04:00:04,">>48709058
>Heh, no but plenty of people have died and humanity didn't implode
But that's irrelevant, anon. It doesn't matter for what we're reasoning here. We're talking about YOU, personally. For all you know, everybody else could be a figment of your imagination, and it'll all be gone once you're dead. And guess what? As an atheist, it might as well be that way, because it makes no difference and you'll never know. Unless, of course, you start believing in something.
Ultimately, you hold a belief that things actually continue after you're gone, but that is just as unverifiable as any religion.
If I'm going to hold a belief one way or another, I'd like to hold one that doesn't lead to the logical invalidation of everything I will ever do in my life.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438056004
48690788,48709227,2015-07-28 04:01:56,">>48708274
There have been multiple complaints about hedonism. The main three being that they fail to represent the true interests of man (experience machine), they fail to be a useful value system for things outside of your personal life, and that they are innately selfish and thus assumed to be self-destructive.",,WOLFSHIEM,305383_397915783616002_1743987047_n.jpg,N4/TLOhHEZxaI6NOmzMoow==,US,,1438056116
48690788,48709236,2015-07-28 04:02:14,">>48709190
>everybody else could be a figment of your imagination
I know. That's always a possibility, and I accept that. But I find the likelihood of such a thing to be very close to 0%, and largely irrelevant to how I approach reality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056134
48690788,48709292,2015-07-28 04:04:10,Is there a difference between a theist and a schizo?,,Anonymous,1437182141413.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,PR,,1438056250
48690788,48709312,2015-07-28 04:05:01,I grew out of Atheism when I started going to college. The more you learn the more you learn how much you do not know.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056301
48690788,48709329,2015-07-28 04:05:34,">>48709227
>they fail to represent the true interests of man (experience machine)
That's like the earliest version of hedonism, Mill and others have expanded on it greatly to include things such as Higher Pleasures.
> they fail to be a useful value system for things outside of your personal life
Wrong.
>they are innately selfish and thus assumed to be self-destructive.
Wrong.
You seem to be fundamentally confused about what hedonistic utilitarianism is. They maximize total utility with their actions, and hedonists choose pleasure to be the utility. Hence, if you can sacrifice 10 hedons to help 30 people gain 1 hedon then you'll have done an ethical thing in hedonism.
There are a lot of other potential problems with hedonism, which I'm not going to get into because I'm not a hedonist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056334
48690788,48709338,2015-07-28 04:06:03,">>48709312
>I don't know anything
>therefore I know a God exists
why anon, just why.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056363
48690788,48709367,2015-07-28 04:06:58,">>48709338
I never said I know a God exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056418
48690788,48709377,2015-07-28 04:07:34,">>48709236
Which means that even as an atheist, you hold beliefs. Or perhaps a more appropriate way of putting it would be, you place bets.
But that still drives us to the earlier point, you're placing your bets on something that, since you want to see life exclusively through logic and disregard faith, makes itself completely unverifiable.
Ironic as though it sounds, I can't find any logical reason to want to purge faith from my life. That would mean I would believe in the unverifiability of everything I will ever do, and it would certainly drive me insane.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438056454
48690788,48709414,2015-07-28 04:08:50,">>48709367
Yet you believe one exists.
And why is that? Do you know something I don't?
Why not just be happy with ignorance of such things? Why must we go one step further and assert the unknowable exists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056530
48690788,48709435,2015-07-28 04:09:39,">>48709190
>But that's irrelevant, anon.
No it isn't. To believe what you say you must think your death is more special than all the other deaths ever. It's incredibly solipsistic. And it isn't a question of theism vs atheism, you might think this world is a dream world and everything is a figment of your imagination just as well when you're a theist. I think theists and atheists will agree it's absolute nonsense though.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438056579
48690788,48709467,2015-07-28 04:10:38,">>48709414
I never said I believe one exists.
I just don't have the arrogance to say for certain that one does not exist and be an atheist when you do not know.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056638
48690788,48709484,2015-07-28 04:11:20,">>48709377
>Which means that even as an atheist, you hold beliefs. Or perhaps a more appropriate way of putting it would be, you place bets.
Well, that's not really my atheism. That's more of a product of my coming to acceptance with the uncertainty of reality. Even things like 1=1 aren't certain.
Don't drop religion if it's gonna make you go insane, anon. When I dropped mine it was definitely one of the hardest and most stressful (very religion family) times in my life. But I have honestly never been happier since, because I can finally be honest with myself about what I think",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056680
48690788,48709530,2015-07-28 04:13:33,">>48709467
>I just don't have the arrogance to say for certain that one does not exist
I'll laugh at anyone that does. I have the same certainty that god doesn't exist as I have certainty that things like wizards, unicorns, and The Matrix exist. It's not 100%, because I can't have that, but it's close. 
So I'm guessing you're one of those guys that just identify as ""agnostic"" or some such?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438056813
48690788,48709558,2015-07-28 04:14:27,">>48709227
My rival appears!
Should we start a huge flame war or become friends?",,OuterLimits,1395992318000.jpg,Fkg5kCUf6NKnziEKbvUw9g==,US,,1438056867
48690788,48709609,2015-07-28 04:16:08,">>48709435
You're just calling that train of thought names. I don't care if you like it or dislike it. But it is something that is completely unverifiable, and it's a perfectly logical train of thought.
>>48709484
And yet you choose to live your life in a certain way even though no certain way exists, logically speaking. I certainly hope you stay happy that way, but I can't place my bets on that possilility because of the reasons I've already told you about. I have no doubts that a purely logical existence is doomed to find itself lacking in purpose at some point.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438056968
48690788,48709680,2015-07-28 04:19:27,">>48709609
>And yet you choose to live your life in a certain way even though no certain way exists
No one can be 100% certain, anon. What most people call ""facts"" and ""truths"", well, I call them that too, but I do so knowing that it means 99.99999% probably true. I apply varying degrees of conviction to varying degrees of certainty. The only level of certainty I don't claim exists is absolute certainty.
> purely logical existence
It's funny you say this, since I base a lot of my beliefs off of empiricism and deduction. Which have NO logical reason to work. They just do. Also, as I have said before, I find many subjective things in this life that have nothing to do with logic. Like beauty, value, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438057167
48690788,48709688,2015-07-28 04:19:53,">>48709329
>You seem to be fundamentally confused about what hedonistic utilitarianism is.
You seem to be fighting an argument that isn't there. I listed the main historic and present-day complaints about hedonism, not trying to actively judge hedonism. Calm your shit, Anon.
>That's like the earliest version of hedonism, Mill and others have expanded on it greatly to include things such as Higher Pleasures.
Not at all. Nozick criticizes ethical hedonism and makes the ""Experience Machine"" thought experience to shoot down Hedonistic Utilitarianism as well.
>Wrong
>Wrong
Lovely.
>>48709558
I'm sorry who are you? Did you pick a name recently or something?
>rival
>Should we start a huge flame war or become friends?
How about we simply model George Shaw and G.K. Chesterton.",,WOLFSHIEM,1436985507458.png,FxdHem+SeHifAI+yfvuzgA==,US,,1438057193
48690788,48709707,2015-07-28 04:20:26,"I'm an atheist and I exercise the same right to not provide reasoning, rationale, explanation, or defense of it as all religions do. I am an atheist because I choose to be and all the childish banter is about as effective as a wet fart. You want us to respect your invisible and impotent imaginary friend? Then respect that we think it's no different than a 5 year old talking to themself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438057226
48690788,48709736,2015-07-28 04:21:47,">>48709688
>Lovely.
Wolf, you truly bring nothing to these discussions. Please go back to your own thread and guide your blind sheep. They have questions for you, everything from if certain dates exist to what music they should listen to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438057307
48690788,48709896,2015-07-28 04:28:21,">>48709688
>Not at all. Nozick criticizes ethical hedonism and makes the ""Experience Machine"" thought experience to shoot down Hedonistic Utilitarianism as well.
This sentence is so profoundly ignorant, that I'm convinced you didn't even bother to google the words in my post that you didn't understand.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438057701
48690788,48709921,2015-07-28 04:29:26,">>48709896
How so?",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1438057766
48690788,48709925,2015-07-28 04:29:30,">>48709680
Which is what I said, you don't believe in the certainty of anything and yet you make choices regardless. And of course, atheists can have beliefs that things work because of simple experience and tried and tested methods, but you still believe that there is an underlying logic that could explain such things, you just haven't figured it out yet.
It's a temporary belief. And in any case, it has little bearing on how you could see life from a philosophical point of view.
And things like beauty and value also sound to me like temporary thoughts if you were to really go down a logical path of the implications of non-belief.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438057770
48690788,48710065,2015-07-28 04:35:29,">>48709921
google is your friend, wolfy. Not gonna go over phil 101 with you this late at night
>>48709925
Eh, every sentence you say about me is wrong but in subtle ways. I'd really have to explain my entire world view to you before you understood it.
Basically, choose your values. Those are subjective. You can come to your conclusions about values in reasonable ways, but in the end they are still subjective (Like a movie critic can brutally analyze a movie but whether or not he likes it ends up being subjective)
Next, I apply varying degrees of conviction to varying degrees of certainty. So when you say ""you don't believe in the certainty of anything"", that has no profound meaning to me. It is almost meaningless. I just admit to a thought experiment that reality may be simulated, but as I already said this has almost no bearing on how I live my life.
My philosophy is based on my reasoning and my values.
I don't know why you keep mentioning ""temporary"". I've already said things need not be eternal to be valuable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438058129
48690788,48710161,2015-07-28 04:39:24,">>48710065
>google is your friend, wolfy. Not gonna go over phil 101 with you this late at night
I'll get back to you when you can actually form an argument and not an insult. Nozick's thought experiment is also a refutation of Mill's concept of hedonism. I'm sorry.",,WOLFSHIEM,loading screen.gif,L4JJGqJCXYz59b43KjQZVA==,US,,1438058364
48690788,48710228,2015-07-28 04:42:12,">>48710161
maybe try refuting my points I made AFTER I said ""wrong"" first >>48709329
and like I said, hedonism has it's problems. There ARE versions that don't suffer from the experience machine problem.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438058532
48690788,48710242,2015-07-28 04:42:55,">>48710065
>You can come to your conclusions about values in reasonable ways, but in the end they are still subjective
And this is what I'm not cool with. Values being subjective means values have absolutely no true meaning. They're fluff, decoration on a completely meaningless existence.
>So when you say ""you don't believe in the certainty of anything"", that has no profound meaning to me. It is almost meaningless.
Funny you should say that, it IS meaningless from your point of view and I realize that. And that's exactly my criticism. The way I see it, this thought experiment is only one of the things that should be meaningless to you. Beauty and value are two others.
>I don't know why you keep mentioning ""temporary"". I've already said things need not be eternal to be valuable.
That might apply to inanimate objects or events that happen during your life, but I'd very much oppose the notion that it'd apply to your life itself. Or at least the existence of your consciousness, rather, since death is a thing no matter what you believe.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438058575
48690788,48710333,2015-07-28 04:47:02,">>48710242
>And this is what I'm not cool with. Values being subjective means values have absolutely no true meaning. They're fluff, decoration on a completely meaningless existence.
I'm sorry, such is the nature of these things like values, beauty, love, etc. They are contingent on individuals. YOU are an individual. You make subjective decisions all the time, simply because you have opinions beyond universal facts.
>Funny you should say that, it IS meaningless from your point of view and I realize that. And that's exactly my criticism. The way I see it, this thought experiment is only one of the things that should be meaningless to you. Beauty and value are two others.
I don't see how any of these things are related.
That might apply to inanimate objects or events that happen during your life, but I'd very much oppose the notion that it'd apply to your life itself. Or at least the existence of your consciousness, rather, since death is a thing no matter what you believe.
I don't find my life or my consciousness fundamentally valuable. There are more basic things I find valuable which I can then extrapolate the value of my life and consciousness from.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438058822
48690788,48710350,2015-07-28 04:47:35,">>48710333
>That might apply to inanimate objects or events that happen during your life, but I'd very much oppose the notion that it'd apply to your life itself. Or at least the existence of your consciousness, rather, since death is a thing no matter what you believe.
This should be green-texted",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438058855
48690788,48710561,2015-07-28 04:56:16,">>48710228
>maybe try refuting my points I made AFTER I said ""wrong"" first
Why? I was never trying to actively debate with you validity of hedonism. I already told you that here >>48709688
Stop trying to make an argument. You said it's too late to discuss Philosophy 101 after all.
>and like I said, hedonism has it's problems. There ARE versions that don't suffer from the experience machine problem.
This I can't confirm or deny but holds really no relevance. I said that the experience machine thought experiment deals with hedonism generally, you said that people like Mill have made additions to the concept with things like Higher and Lower Pleasures, I said that the thought experiment does try to shoot Mill down too and his Higher/Lower distinction. You mentioning ""The thought experiment only criticizes the earliest forms of it. There are forms that aren't encompassed."" really doesn't say much as the thought experiment does reject the core concept of hedonism and many of its later forms too. It's fair enough to say that the criticism is a criticism of Hedonism.",,WOLFSHIEM,Catholic Waifu.jpg,Q5MQXTOLagKC084Dfq5n5Q==,US,,1438059376
48690788,48710616,2015-07-28 04:58:57,">>48710333
>You make subjective decisions all the time, simply because you have opinions beyond universal facts.
But I'm not an atheist, and that's the whole point. I can afford to rule out things such as nihilism from my faith. Were I an atheist, I'd be forced to at the very least admit such a thing as within the realm of possibility, and it would most likely be what would seem the most probable to me. Which in turn would make me completely stop crediting things such as value and beauty. And obviously it'd make me a very miserable individual.
>I don't see how any of these things are related.
But they are, you put no value into this thought experiment. As you yourself said, it's meaningless as to how you live your life. And that kind of comes around, because while you choose not to place value in things such as this, you still consider value to be subjective. Which means you have no objective reason to put no value in it. 
Until we come full circle and say that of course you place no value in it, the only objective reasoning tells you that all of these things are pointless. That reasoning being this exact thought experiment.
>I don't find my life or my consciousness fundamentally valuable. There are more basic things I find valuable which I can then extrapolate the value of my life and consciousness from.
I find that hard to believe. You need your consciousness in order to place value upon any other thing. Something with no consciousness has no means with which to gauge values, and as such we can safely say that consciousness is the most valuable thing to an individual. Disregarding what faith would have to say in the matter, of course.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438059537
48690788,48710684,2015-07-28 05:02:04,">>48710561
>I was never trying to actively debate with you validity of hedonism.
Then why bring it up, just to be an asshole? You don't come into threads and start complaining about a philosophical view then duck your head into the sand and say ""PLS DON'T RESPOND TO ME!""
And now I'm going to respond to your continuing ""non-argument"" about hedonism.
> I said that the thought experiment does try to shoot Mill down too and his Higher/Lower distinction.
Mill's higher pleasures shoot this down. Mill takes the claim that his hedonism is base and demeaning to reduce the meaning of life to pleasure. To this Mill replies that human pleasures are much superior animalistic ones: once people are made aware of their higher faculties, they will never be happy to leave them uncultivated; thus happiness is a sign that we are exercising our higher faculties. It is true that some pleasures may be ""base""; however, this does not mean that all of them are: rather, some are intrinsically more valuable than others. When making a moral judgment on an action, utilitarianism thus takes into account not just the quantity, but also the quality of the pleasures resulting from it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438059724
48690788,48710752,2015-07-28 05:04:50,">>48710616
>But I'm not an atheist
Irrelevant. If you have a favorite movie, video game, food, or think cats are cute then you have made subjective opinions. 
> As you yourself said, it's meaningless as to how you live your life. 
Never said anything close to this.
>I find that hard to believe. You need your consciousness in order to place value upon any other thing.
True, but that is irrelevant. I need many tools to investigate this world. That doesn't mean my tools are somehow the most fundamentally valuable things that I can find in this existence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438059890
48690788,48710796,2015-07-28 05:06:55,">>48710684
>Mill takes the claim that his hedonism is base and demeaning to reduce the meaning of life to pleasure.
This should be:
>Mill takes ON the claim that his hedonism is base and demeaning to reduce the meaning of life to pleasure.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438060015
48690788,48710866,2015-07-28 05:10:07,"New Thread
>>48710846
>>48710846
>>48710846",,Anonymous,transform4.png,k4H9jl1EivEAY+XRit0n5A==,US,,1438060207
48690788,48710976,2015-07-28 05:15:47,">>48710752
>Irrelevant. If you have a favorite movie, video game, food, or think cats are cute then you have made subjective opinions.
I have, but that's because I don't admit the logic of the pointlessness of such things within the realm of possibility. Which is what I meant when I said that my subjective opinions have no bearing on this.
>Never said anything close to this.
But you did.
""It is almost meaningless. I just admit to a thought experiment that reality may be simulated, but as I already said this has almost no bearing on how I live my life.""
>True, but that is irrelevant.
I'd argue that from an atheistic point of view, it's actually the only thing that's relevant. But anyways.
>I need many tools to investigate this world. That doesn't mean my tools are somehow the most fundamentally valuable things that I can find in this existence.
But do you realize the implications of that?
You need your consciousness to even use tools, you need it to perceive value, and most of all, you need it to exist. Your consciousness can only be the most valuable thing to you, because it's possibly the only thing that is fundamentally irreplaceable. You can't transplant a new consciousness into yourself.
Well, this was fun, but I have to sleep, it's like 6AM here. I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but this train of thought is just really something that I could never get over regarding atheistic thought, and you were a pretty good partner for the whole experiment, so thank you.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438060547
48690788,48711053,2015-07-28 05:19:38,">>48710684
>Then why bring it up, just to be an asshole? You don't come into threads and start complaining about a philosophical view then duck your head into the sand and say ""PLS DON'T RESPOND TO ME!""
Anon, what the fuck are you doing. I have already explained this to you. >>48709688
""You seem to be fighting an argument that isn't there. I listed the main historic and present-day complaints about hedonism, not trying to actively judge hedonism. Calm your shit, Anon.""
As of now, give emphasis to the last sentence.
The discussion was brought up in the first place because the anon was talking about the problem with hedonism so I thought I'd help fill him in. Is that an issue?
>And now I'm going to respond to your continuing ""non-argument"" about hedonism.
Sorry to bother you so late at night.
>Mill's higher pleasures shoot this down. Mill takes the...[the rest]
Yes, and I grasp the higher/lower distinction and I feel somewhat insulted to have utilitarianism defined to me, but that doesn't weigh on the Experience Machine idea whatsoever as happiness is an absolute as that is what the machine in the thought experiment is explicitly supposed to produce. The thought experiment is to show a situation where what produces the most amount of happiness is not necessarily what is good for you, thus it is a critique of utilitarianism. You would likely try to say ""that's lower pleasure!"" but pleasure in itself is undefined in the abbreviated form of the thought experiment and can encompass both. It's called an ""experience machine"" and not a ""happiness machine"" for a reason.
Now it's late. We should both be heading to bed.",,WOLFSHIEM,well okay.jpg,TJEK+rahMc7HfRsROcifsQ==,US,,1438060778
48690788,48711169,2015-07-28 05:25:54,">>48690788
who is this semen demon?
who is this dairy fairy?
who is this jizz djinn?
who is this yogurt ogre?
who is this sticky pixie?
who is this cream shedim?
who is this foam gnome?
who is this rod god?
who is this marble gargoyle?
who is this scrotum golem?
who is this swole troll?
who is this drool ghoul?
who is this greased beast?
who is this pee banshee?
who is this lymph nymph?
who is this tart boggart?
who is this fluid druid?
Who is this cum mum?
Who is this slimy blimey?
Who is this froth sloth?
Who is this cunny bunny?
Who is this ineffectual sexual?
who is this porn unicorn?
who is this spunk monk?
who is this nectar spectre?
who is this shag hag?
who is this sap trap?
who is this juicy medusa?
who is this cummy mummy?
who is this slick mimic?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438061154
48710846,48710846,2015-07-28 05:09:11,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
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48710846,48711008,2015-07-28 05:17:14,">makes a thread about the lack of something that never existed
So... you wanna discuss nothing at all?
>>>/reddit/",,Anonymous,Fedora.png,/s4uFkQGZesWv0hqkJ/PKw==,GR,,1438060634
48710846,48711047,2015-07-28 05:19:28,">w-we are normal people, we just don't believe
>his icon wears black and has red eyes
Nice try, satan.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438060768
48710846,48711059,2015-07-28 05:19:57,">you can't prove god exists
>you can't prove god doesn't exist",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1438060797
48710846,48711069,2015-07-28 05:20:22,">>48710684
>Then why bring it up, just to be an asshole? You don't come into threads and start complaining about a philosophical view then duck your head into the sand and say ""PLS DON'T RESPOND TO ME!""
Anon, what the fuck are you doing.. I have already explained this to you. >>48709688
""You seem to be fighting an argument that isn't there. I listed the main historic and present-day complaints about hedonism, not trying to actively judge hedonism. Calm your shit, Anon.""
As of now, give emphasis to the last sentence.
The discussion was brought up in the first place because the anon was talking about the problem with hedonism so I thought I'd help fill him in. Is that an issue?
>And now I'm going to respond to your continuing ""non-argument"" about hedonism.
Sorry to bother you so late at night.
>Mill's higher pleasures shoot this down. Mill takes the...[the rest]
Yes, and I grasp the higher/lower distinction and I feel somewhat insulted to have utilitarianism defined to me, but that doesn't weigh on the Experience Machine idea whatsoever as happiness is an absolute as that is what the machine in the thought experiment is explicitly supposed to produce. The thought experiment is to show a situation where what produces the most amount of happiness is not necessarily what is good for you, thus it is a critique of utilitarianism. You would likely try to say ""that's lower pleasure!"" but pleasure in itself is undefined in the abbreviated form of the thought experiment and can encompass both. It's called an ""experience machine"" and not a ""happiness machine"" for a reason.
Now it's late. We should both be heading to bed.",,WOLFSHIEM,Art in Lourdes.jpg,JG6m+cRSUivj76ewjsrDjw==,US,,1438060822
48710846,48711084,2015-07-28 05:21:27,">>48711059
You can say the same about the Loch Ness monster",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438060887
48710846,48711094,2015-07-28 05:22:08,">>48711008
>Nietzche",,Anonymous,1397234876861.jpg,YrmR0CshtuzUBeqWkcq0fg==,MX,,1438060928
48710846,48711128,2015-07-28 05:23:51,">>48711084
Wrong example cuckboy, we have the scientific means to estabilish the presence of a gigantic creature in a lake, we just don't do it because we like tourist cash",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1438061031
48710846,48711180,2015-07-28 05:26:24,">>48710846
Here's a practical prank you can pull out, OP
You go and believe but in God alone, don't go and believe in Jesus just yet, think it could be a wrong name in your inside. Then you don't call God other name apart from God or Father, and show interest in the truth.
So basically you'd be keeping them commandments, and do keep them well, without skipping a single one, ESPECIALLY don't skipp the sabbath, and do it well.
After some time doing this, start trusting God for your difficult endeavors.
You sure will troll us when you see the results ;)",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438061184
48710846,48711207,2015-07-28 05:27:36,">>48711128
You obviously don't understand the properties of the Loch Ness monster then. Everyone knows that the Loch Ness monster is an immaterial monster, from a higher dimension, which we can never detect through material science. However, if you don't believe that the Loch Ness monster is real, he will chase after your soul forever for all the times you didn't praise him",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438061256
48710846,48711211,2015-07-28 05:27:47,">>48711180
Oh yeah, I forgot, be extra good and nice, visit the sick, give alms to the poor, feed the needy, clothe the naked, etc.
Any of this you can do, will do you good in this practical prank ;)",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438061267
48710846,48711268,2015-07-28 05:31:10,>mfw all the atheists who claim they don't need religion for moral guidance shitpost here all day long and probably have never done anything for their local community,,Anonymous,1418228156215.jpg,eeD3byL0Kdxqeeu+jztITQ==,AU,,1438061470
48710846,48711274,2015-07-28 05:31:30,">>48711207
We live in a infinite universe, interlinked with other infinite multiverses. Your hypothesis may as well be true. Also
>2015
>not using Bayesian logic to decide which hypothesis is most plausible
>still using Aristotelian logic
It's like you enjoy being cucked by your fedora",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1438061490
48710846,48712055,2015-07-28 06:12:03,Feed back on Nietzsche and the Profiles is greatly appreciated.,,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438063923
48710846,48712083,2015-07-28 06:13:16,So if you don't believe in anything...what is there to discuss?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438063996
48710846,48712120,2015-07-28 06:15:10,">>48711268
Neither have you, probably. The only difference between me and you is that I don't claim the moral high ground",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438064110
48710846,48712133,2015-07-28 06:15:35,">>48711069
Hey wolfshiem. I'm trying to write up profiles for the various sects of Christianity.
You wanna contribute?
It will be totally biased against the religion but you can help point out why Protestants are heretics.
I'll even let you write the ""Official"" view on Catholicism.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438064135
48710846,48712175,2015-07-28 06:17:20,">>48712133
I have a Basics of Christianity pastebin I'm working on for /catg/. You can read it once it's done and can derive what you grasp from there.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1438064240
48710846,48712216,2015-07-28 06:18:50,">>48711268
>tfw you donate to 4 charities but Christians still expect you pick up trash even though the average Christian doesn't do shit to help out their neighbourhood",,Anonymous,1435388099073.gif,dnKan8wKS5UHC2eF57FNfw==,AU,,1438064330
48710846,48712230,2015-07-28 06:19:34,">>48712175
To add, later I intend to do a pastebin on the different sects as well.",,WOLFSHIEM,Jesus Wizards.jpg,2V4dECdQFaWITblJPmtRYA==,US,,1438064374
48710846,48712250,2015-07-28 06:20:26,">>48712175
Thanks. Beleive it or not I want to portray your religion accuratly.
If I wasn't interested in that I could just write about how the Catholics were mean ass holes that started the crusades.",,OuterLimits,1437365069896.png,zcxMIBf7fzJRMGY0jlsg9Q==,US,,1438064426
48710846,48712288,2015-07-28 06:22:03,">>48712133
>>48712250
>It will be totally biased against the religion
>Beleive it or not I want to portray your religion accuratly.
Explain what you mean here.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1438064523
48710846,48712311,2015-07-28 06:23:09,">>48712133
>but you can help point out why Protestants are heretics.
>>48712250
>Beleive it or not I want to portray your religion accuratly.",,Anonymous,1429486814282.jpg,oTU2CN9pM9JqQja3qDxwRw==,GB,,1438064589
48710846,48712443,2015-07-28 06:30:08,">>48712288
Historically I want to be accurate. Otherwise it's straw manning.
History is factual. I can do that accurately.
Interpreting the history is where my bias will be. All interpretations of history are biased.
To be honest it's a probably gonna be a huge mess.
Let's take the idea that ""the Dark ages were we went backwards"" this is true. But it's not NEARLY as severe as the trigger-happy atheists tried to pretend and it only happened in certain areas. For example early Christian art is hideously ugly compared to the per-christian art that came before. Writing about that would be a fucking pain.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438065008
48710846,48712493,2015-07-28 06:32:48,"Early Christianity was structurally and behaviorally an end of the world cult, and one of many messianic cults active at the time. Jesus was the cult leader, the 12 apostles were the original members. 
1. Claims world is ending imminently (1 John 2:18, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34)
2. Wants you to give away belongings and follow him ( Luke 14:33, Matthew 19:21, Luke 18:22)
3. Wants you to cut off family who interfere (Matt. 10:35-37, Luke 14:26, Matthew 19:29)
4. Unverifiable reward if you believe (Heaven, i.e. the carrot)
5. Unverifiable punishment if you disbelieve (Hell, i.e. the stick)
6. Sabotages the critical thinking faculties you might otherwise use to remove it (Proverbs 3:5, 2 Corinthians 5:7, Proverbs 14:12)
7. Targets children and the emotionally/financially vulnerable for recruitment (sunday schools, youth group, teacher led prayer, prison ministries, third world missions)
This is a very old routine people were pulling well before Jesus came along and which people still pull today (David Koresh, Wayne Bent, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, etc) Jesus was one of the few whose cult outlived his death.
The observant might notice that this sort of thing works very much like a chain letter, multilevel marketing or a botnet, but with humans instead of computers. All examples of information structured in such a way as to motivate patterns of behavior which reinforce, defend and spread it to as many hosts as possible for as long as possible.",,Feel free to use this,jesuscult5.jpg,4n2fgXh2lS0OQFub0HZhug==,US,,1438065168
48710846,48712497,2015-07-28 06:32:59,">>48712443
How about how the Dark ages occurred because christians base their science on a book of myths instead of science?",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438065179
48710846,48712554,2015-07-28 06:36:09,">>48712497
That's a stupid fucking argument. Roman and Greece were based on religions too.
They were just much healthier religions and promoted better values that advanced society better.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438065369
48710846,48712624,2015-07-28 06:39:49,">>48712497
The dark ages occurred because Rome fell. Which coincided with its transition to Christian leadership, but correlation is not causation.
The church is responsible for preserving Roman innovations and thinking through the dark ages, but also keeping it to themselves. Common people had no access to it.
Finally, there's the question of who burned down the Library of Alexandria. Christians blame it on Muslims. Muslims blame it on Christians. Look into how Hypatia of Alexandria died for a clue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438065589
48710846,48712666,2015-07-28 06:42:15,Remember that Quantum Theory proves Gods existence. When someone is not actually observing something God stores it as a function of probability to save computing power. When someone perceives that thing God wills it back into existence.,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438065735
48710846,48712677,2015-07-28 06:42:30,">>48710846
>/pol/ - Religion & Politics
Fuck off. Unless you're strictly discussing the relation of religion and the state, /pol/ is not the appropriate board for you these threads.
That's the whole point of ""Christfags"" threads being derailed by tipping fedoras and not given the time of day. 
But mods don't give a shit about /pol/ anyway so i guess it doesn't matter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438065750
48710846,48712722,2015-07-28 06:44:09,">>48712666
Nice try, Satan.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438065849
48710846,48712767,2015-07-28 06:45:51,">>48712677
Here is the truth. Without Christians coming into atheism to argue these threads would get no traffic. 
Same with the Christian threads only it's different sects and atheists/desists/whatever in there.
Seriously what is there to discussion in a Christian thread. No one talks about the news updates Wolfshiem writes. No one fucking reads the bible.
Likewise the atheism threads. I'm the only person I've met so far that wants to fucking talk about Nietzsche.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438065951
48710846,48712812,2015-07-28 06:47:53,">>48710846
>using a fedora in the OP
kill yourself
>>48711008
/thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438066073
48710846,48712947,2015-07-28 06:54:56,">>48712767
I don't think Christianity has any ""point"" worth discussing.
What we do know about it is that life became a great deal less enlightened and tolerant after it grabbed power.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438066496
48710846,48713024,2015-07-28 06:58:49,">>48712767
The Christian threads have already converted a few people who have posted about their first experience going to Church, and there is usually a lot of discussion about scripture. Yeah there is a ton of denomination wars but there are quality contributors as well
And of course we've all read the Bible.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438066729
48710846,48713067,2015-07-28 07:01:10,">>48710846
Disgusting. Pathetic little jew and devil servant.
Atheism is nothing but a tool of satan and the jew. You are leading souls to hell you filthy kike.
/pol/ is a Christian board. Take this edgy teenage death cult shit to /v/ or /b/.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438066870
48710846,48713097,2015-07-28 07:02:39,"Daily reminder that if you're an actual atheist you need to go the whole way and also be a moral relativist and nihilist.
>rejecting the only possible way for an objective morality/meaning
>still believing in true objectivity
ISHYGDDT",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438066959
48710846,48713172,2015-07-28 07:05:53,">>48712767
>I'm the only person I've met so far that wants to fucking talk about Nietzsche.
I'm not surprised, Nietzsche is absolute shit. I'm all in for atheism, but Nietzsche is just a no-no.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438067153
48710846,48713208,2015-07-28 07:07:33,">>48713097
Nice to know all those pedophile priests objective morality reconciled their abuses because jesus forgives",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438067253
48710846,48713216,2015-07-28 07:07:42,">mfw these buttmad Christcucks
First /pol/ started defending religion just to troll the Athiestfags
Now the opposite is happening
This kind of shit comes and goes in waves while attracting a different target audience to anger",,Anonymous,laugh glasses.jpg,aEoSvjCF6fq8K9ZB2hGhfA==,NL,,1438067262
48710846,48713252,2015-07-28 07:09:49,>>48713067,,Anonymous,natsoc.jpg,+J9I6fcLjUZSLuvkjGIumg==,AU,,1438067389
48710846,48713263,2015-07-28 07:10:28,">>48713216
Yup. /pol/ has come full circle. And the funny thing is, people still thinks this shit is true. A lot of this buttmad Christians are people trying to troll, only few are really Christians. I guess the same happens with the threads of the Christfags.",,Anonymous,7813113.png,IgdWU87BMlo9uj+PodCcMw==,ES,,1438067428
48710846,48713271,2015-07-28 07:10:53,">>48713067
>athiesm is jewish
>christcucks literally worship a dead jew on a stick
Good goy",,Anonymous,trusted a jew.jpg,6y3f0yOfikQWk9+uk2rqAA==,NL,,1438067453
48710846,48713300,2015-07-28 07:12:07,">>48713263
My guess is that 4chan will become nonironically athiest and SJW soon. Shitposters will defend any opinion just to ruse idiots who take 4chans seriously",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438067527
48710846,48713376,2015-07-28 07:15:28,">>48713300
>My guess is that 4chan will become nonironically athiest and SJW soon
Ugh, I hope that doesn't happen. If that happens, I'm out of this shit.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438067728
48710846,48713397,2015-07-28 07:16:33,">>48713216
>>48713263
I hope you lubed up your palms.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438067793
48710846,48713454,2015-07-28 07:19:49,">>48713376
As long as people are retarded enough to fall for it it will happen
4chan knows how to get under the skin of insecure posters with terms as ""manlet"", ""cuck"", ""beta"" and pretending to be christians on a message board that has a dedicated board for porn and LGBT 
This about how retarded it is to call someone a degenerate while actually browsing this website",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438067989
48710846,48713496,2015-07-28 07:21:36,">>48713300
Strange how so many SJW cucks claim they are athiest. There is a correlation.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438068096
48710846,48713547,2015-07-28 07:23:32,">>48713208
If he is shit he is a perfect fit for our community.
Also what the fuck happend to Ayn Rand. Arn't atheists supposed to love that bitch. I have never read anything she wrote from the look of it seems to be a failed attempt at philosophy.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438068212
48710846,48713555,2015-07-28 07:23:40,">>48713496
>there is a correlation 
Yes, it's what makes the retarded part of /pol/ angry",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438068220
48710846,48713593,2015-07-28 07:25:35,">>48713496
Yep they are a bunch of retarded fags that believe in evolution and that gay isn't a mental illness(it is).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438068335
48710846,48713635,2015-07-28 07:27:26,>Autism general,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438068446
48710846,48713669,2015-07-28 07:28:59,">>48713300
>>48713496
My pipedream is to turn all these Dawkins Dorks into level headed conservative atheists that at least have a spark notes tier understanding of Nietzsche.
That's not going to happen (I'll hit a few and it will be fun). The vast majority of the people in atheism general are what I call trigger happy atheists.
They take sadistic pleasure in killing superstition and religion, they are crusaders of reason, and if they get a majority hold they will treat you Christians the way a cat treats a bird with it's wings ripped off.
I'm not sure whether I will feel pity or laugh with them.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438068539
48710846,48713760,2015-07-28 07:33:45,">>48713669
top fucking kek you delusional retard
you really think some group of 400 lb fedoras is going to violently overthrow all of religion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438068825
48710846,48713782,2015-07-28 07:35:20,,,Anonymous,justfuckmyshitup.png,bA4fAH8lneEqYvsooDaePQ==,US,,1438068920
48710846,48713784,2015-07-28 07:35:22,">>48713760
The Human race will evolve and leave religion behind. There is no need to attack anyone. Religion has no place in the future - only the past.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438068922
48710846,48713811,2015-07-28 07:36:32,>>48713784,,Anonymous,I+didn+t+say+anything.+I+posted+a+picture+_5962bd9723ca38f9669688b4d155dbfb.jpg,eyHhg3eK4RdhAXtlXgY5vA==,US,,1438068992
48710846,48714011,2015-07-28 07:45:05,,,Anonymous,whyimchristian.jpg,ceJ4buRPT5BFs5FMttSEqg==,US,,1438069505
48710846,48714774,2015-07-28 08:15:10,">>48713784
Couldn't resist ;)",,Anonymous,Ayytheism.png,XPq5xIpiC58derrWowRueA==,DK,,1438071310
48710846,48714854,2015-07-28 08:17:43,">>48713811
>>48714011
>>48714774
I love it when the religious get butthurt.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438071463
48710846,48715079,2015-07-28 08:25:12,">>48713760
>violently overthrow all of religion?
I'm talking strictly about what happens on the internet.
Get a few thousand pounds more of Fedoras migrating from reddit and this place will smell worst than a brownie convention.
Literally, unrionically, saying 'mai lady'
Daily Trilber vs Fedora arguements",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438071912
48710846,48715176,2015-07-28 08:28:40,">>48715079
>ebic trolling on an atheist board",,Anonymous,1410769430734s.png,cQc3dzJzuiS6EGng3sDkAA==,GB,,1438072120
48710846,48716031,2015-07-28 08:56:40,What is your opinion on being a Christian for cultural reasons?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438073800
48710846,48716379,2015-07-28 09:07:54,">>48716031
I think there is some value in life-cycle rituals, such as weddings and that some of the songs are quite nice.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438074474
48710846,48716640,2015-07-28 09:15:51,,,Anonymous,1417035347733.jpg,OVISD0YJyeuSo/DUJQ2L7g==,GB,,1438074951
48744178,48744178,2015-07-28 20:29:39,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Profiles of Various Religions (only one for now)
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
 
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcome and appreciated.",Atheism General,Anonymous,1437365057798.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1438115379
48744178,48744237,2015-07-28 20:31:04,"*****UPDATE: Creation of our pastebin.
July 27 2015
New section added: Discussing religion
Several citations are needed in the religion profile, also need information on the religions. Help appreciated.
Religious profile greatly expanded, very incomplete
 
July 28 2015
Discussing religion greatly expanded
New video added to video section about the polytheistic origins of the Semitic desert trilogy
Album for general images created (empty)
 
THINGS TO DO
Focus more on Islam, I know almost nothing about it, help appreciated
Acquire images for new album
Finish Profiles for religions
Outerlimit's corner (lowest priority)
Feedback and assistance greatly appreciated.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438115464
48744178,48744574,2015-07-28 20:37:57,">>48744237
>THINGS TO DO
>Focus more on Islam, I know almost nothing about it, help appreciated
This needs to happen. Any godfags please contribute what you know",,Anonymous,1437593134439.png,cBZu0yGIQM5BriJiiaHzdA==,US,,1438115877
48744178,48744826,2015-07-28 20:43:07,">>48744574
This might be a good place to start 
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/wiki/faq#wiki_criticism_of_islam",,Anonymous,1437450280358.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1438116187
48744178,48745194,2015-07-28 20:51:00,,,Anonymous,K3lGeWs.jpg,sESPo/4e2mAvgnQU/Folzg==,US,,1438116660
48744178,48745208,2015-07-28 20:51:12,"what do you guys think about atheists on youtube?
VeganAtheist and DarkMatter are the only ones I find worth watching.",,Anonymous,kawaii fedora-chan.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1438116672
48744178,48745281,2015-07-28 20:53:03,">>48745208
Thunderf00t's creationism series is high tier. Evidence is good. Check out qualia soup for sure, and channels related to him (like evidence).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438116783
48744178,48745455,2015-07-28 20:56:40,">>48745208
We also have a pastebin for good videos and channels. 
I'll add some you suggest if you think they are good enough : http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117000
48744178,48745532,2015-07-28 20:58:16,">>48745281
I loved his series on why people laugh at creationists, but I stopped watching him because all his videos became about fighting Anita.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117096
48744178,48745594,2015-07-28 20:59:34,">>48745532
I know, it's sad :( he makes such good science videos. I like the one where he debunks solar freaking roadways",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117174
48744178,48745614,2015-07-28 20:59:58,">>48745208
I never really liked the whole youtube atheist thing. Lots of them are annoying. I became an atheist before that was a thing.
Strictly speaking what they do is really good work. The amount of zeal these people have is crazy. 
I'm actually amazed any of this is even necessary, the rational argument for God died with fucking Darwin. Scientifically minded Christians have a fucking Deist view of God's creation and say that God pretty much did no miracles ever except for a few parlor tricks from Jesus.
The moral argument against God I think will be the future battle. Basically we want to arrive at a future where everyone religion is seen as a type of voluntary slavery and an insult to human potential; that we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
These guys seem to be pretty well informed and pointed out a lot of shitty things in the bible I missed.
 https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBibleReloaded/search?query=bible+study",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438117198
48744178,48745738,2015-07-28 21:02:33,">>48745614
>The moral argument against God I think will be the future battle
It's already happening. I haven't seen a general yet where someone was seriously claiming we logically had to be nihilistic. 
We should make a pastebin about that...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117353
48744178,48745759,2015-07-28 21:02:59,"Interesting fact.
In the distant past many quests were undertaken to find Jesus's holy forskin. Several fraudulent foreskins were found but they never got the real one =(
Apparently it has wish granting powers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
If you want to troll Wolfshiem mention this, he's Catholic.",,OuterLimits,Jesus-Foreskin-Holy-Pepuce-Quest.jpg,o1xhD9s9WWYNGQzXajPgxw==,US,,1438117379
48744178,48745767,2015-07-28 21:03:05,">>48745738
>was
*wasn't",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117385
48744178,48745811,2015-07-28 21:04:15,">>48745759
If you want to troll wolf just mention scapulars. You can literally just buy a necklace and go to heaven because some saint",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117455
48744178,48745844,2015-07-28 21:04:50,">>48745738
That's sort of covered in my Nietzsche one where I explain the basics of his philosophy.
--Beyond Good and Evil: Nietzsche believed that humans define their own good and evil. Morality is not the most important thing in life, because morality is just a tool, a path, a means to an end. Since humans make their own good and evil even his morality is not absolute. Nietzsche is not universal. The first sentence in Anti-Christ flat out tells you that his work is not for everyone. 
--Nihilism: Nihilism is the idea that all values are baseless and there is 'meaning in life'. Nietzsche believed with the decline of religion this idea would spread like a disease. Nietzsche was not a nihilist it is clear that for him the meaning is the growth of humanity, represented in the idea of the Overman. The original religious values were made by the 'priesthood'. Humans have forgotten that they have the power to create their own meaning and values",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438117490
48744178,48745907,2015-07-28 21:06:33,">>48745844
That's fine, but I think I'm gonna write a more general one when I get home",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117593
48744178,48746113,2015-07-28 21:11:34,">>48745614
>I never really liked the whole youtube atheist thing. Lots of them are annoying.
I agree. most of the youtube atheists are doing a disservice to the community by being loud and obnoxious It puts off a lot of people who are on the fence by making them feel uninvited.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438117894
48744178,48746257,2015-07-28 21:15:07,">>48746113
Not even that but they can't grasp the metaphysical arguments at all. AmazingAtheist's video on Aquinas was fucking atrocious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118107
48744178,48746375,2015-07-28 21:17:40,">>48746257
Oh don't even get me started on many atheist's grasp of metaphysics or philosophy in general. Its absolutely atrocious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118260
48744178,48746500,2015-07-28 21:20:17,">>48746375
Most atheists don't need metaphysics to come to conclusions about God's existence, lack of evidence is enough. Then they get on with their life",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118417
48744178,48746584,2015-07-28 21:22:01,">>48746375
I've had intense arguments on atheist generals about this subject. All of them hold to scientism to find proof of God, not realizing that they are making fundamental errors in the perception of the classic Christian God (see >>48745208, >>48746500)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118521
48744178,48746684,2015-07-28 21:24:02,">>48746584
>they are making fundamental errors in the perception of the classic Christian God
It doesn't matter. They can't find evidence for any type of god, unless you just claim the universe is God or some stupid shit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118642
48744178,48746710,2015-07-28 21:24:51,">>48746500
If you are going to talk about anything you should talk about it right. Either do not talk about meta-physics or talk about it right.
>>48746257
modern atheists seem to distrust philosophy, probably because they do not know philosophy occasionally has something to do with religion (Kant, almost all the greeks, etc).
Maybe they are just distrustful of any sort of authority. Accepting any philosophy as 'true' means you lose a little self-autonomy. Of course accepting anything anyone says also means that.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438118691
48744178,48746783,2015-07-28 21:26:48,">>48746584
This. I'm an atheist myself, but most atheists are fighting a strawman, an ugly caricature that has no resemblance to the Deity of theology. 
The primary reason is because of scientism, the flaw in their understanding goes as such
1. All truths are empirical.
2. The Deity is unempirical by defintion.
3. Therefore there is no possible proof for the Deity.
When in reality the Deity is usually treated as being immaterial, and thus provable by theoretical arguments relating to abstractions, that is, proving the Deity by his effects. These proofs are insufficient, but most atheists don't even grasp the proofs enough to dismiss them properly. Its just ""Hurp not science not real"".
Sons of bitches wouldn't last ten minutes in a serious debate on logic, mathematics, or metaphysics, and its only because modern theists are such amateurs at their own philosophy that these 'new atheists' don't get BTFO left and right.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118808
48744178,48746881,2015-07-28 21:29:14,">>48746783
>Hurp not science not real
Well, when you're trying to determine what is real this is the best way to do it. There's also no evidence to support the idea that immaterial things exist beyond our ideas of them, that is, to the same extent as Harry Potter exists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438118954
48744178,48746975,2015-07-28 21:31:42,">>48746257
I don't like AmazingAtheist in general.
The only video of his that I liked was the debate he hosted with the biologist and creationist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ROK7NNwB4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119102
48744178,48746986,2015-07-28 21:32:07,">>48746684
Exactly. The don't believe God is a supreme being in the universe, but that he is being itself. Now to be clear I'm an atheist but moreso in just a non-religious sense, but none of the new atheists have been able to refute a proper understanding of the Five Ways.
>>48746710
Nah it's mostly just because New Atheism is a new phenomenon. Those who espouse it usually aren't well versed in philosophy, with maybe the exception of Dawkins (although he's more of a linguistics guy).
>>48746783
Agreed, but I would say that modern theists, mainly Catholics, know their shit enough to defend well, it's just that they aren't heard.
>>48746881
Aquinas's God isn't based on fact but on logical necessity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119127
48744178,48747011,2015-07-28 21:32:44,">>48746881
And this is why you need to read philosophy. You only believe that because its in the vogue. Philosophy is about understanding our methodologies and how we look at things, at examining our fundamental premises. Many statements are NOT empirical, at least not scientific.
2+2=4 is true, but it is not an empirical proof, its an abstract one. Logic and mathematics don't work the same way science does, its a game of deriving truths through deductions from premises, not inductions from phenomena. Almost all classical arguments for deity require that you understand this. 
When a serious theologian tries to prove ""God"" exists, its like a high-tier mathematical proof, not scientifically looking for Yahweh's beard hair.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119164
48744178,48747074,2015-07-28 21:34:26,">>48746986
>but none of the new atheists have been able to refute a proper understanding of the Five Ways.
We don't have to. It doesn't address the lack of evidence, it just seeks our a logical way for existence to exist in such a way that they can kinda call it God
 >Aquinas's God isn't based on fact
Which is why most atheists don't take it seriously",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119266
48744178,48747133,2015-07-28 21:36:13,">>48747011
>2+2=4 is true, but it is not an empirical proof, its an abstract one. Logic and mathematics don't work the same way science does,
They do in the sense that the lab exists only in our mind. 2+2=4 is not absolutely certain, and neither is science. But they are useful tools for interrogating the universe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119373
48744178,48747198,2015-07-28 21:37:48,">>48747074
read>>48747011
Welcome to metaphysics, a branch of philosophy that only New Atheists seem to hate.
>>48747133
>2+2=4 is not absolutely certain, and neither is science. 
Please stop breathing Big Brother.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119468
48744178,48747250,2015-07-28 21:38:58,">>48747198
>Please stop breathing Big Brother
Cartesian demon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119538
48744178,48747327,2015-07-28 21:41:00,">>48747133
See, now you're thinking, keep thinking. Examine WHY you think what you think. Your philosophy depends on you saying that the natural sciences, a methodology that requires certain common-sense but unproven axioms be accepted to even exist, is the FOUNDATION of knowledge. Thats not gonna fly. If you want a philosophy that WORKS, go back to theism. If you want to know the TRUTH, you have to dig deeper and look at the premises your arguments stand on.
Look up the division between deduction and induction. Look up the difference between synthetic and analytic truths.
""A Bachelor is a man who is not married"" is a truth of definition. It has nothing to do with science, or the scientific method.
""2+2=4"" is a derivative abstract truth. Its a truth that follows by the definitions of ""2"" and ""4"". Its found out not by science, but by deduction from axioms.
The fact that you don't understand any of this but instead simply recoil to ""Not science not true"" is why a properly skilled philosopher going back over a thousand years of western civilization could run circles around you. 
THE main flaw with modern atheism is its unphilosophical nature, and its only because there's so few so quiet philosophical theists that we're not getting rekt all the time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119660
48744178,48747413,2015-07-28 21:43:23,">>48747327
>Thats not gonna fly.
And yet planes do. Thanks induction. 
>""A Bachelor is a man who is not married"" is a truth of definition. It has nothing to do with science, or the scientific method.
>""2+2=4"" is a derivative abstract truth. Its a truth that follows by the definitions of ""2"" and ""4"". Its found out not by science, but by deduction from axioms.
None of these things are absolute truths or absolutely certain.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119803
48744178,48747499,2015-07-28 21:45:32,">>48747413
>None of these things are absolute truths or absolutely certain
How about you explain yourself before espousing contrarian bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119932
48744178,48747514,2015-07-28 21:45:46,">>48747413
Why do you think that? Why do you believe neither of those things are absolute? What does it mean for a thing to 'absolute', or 'true' or 'certain'?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438119946
48744178,48747551,2015-07-28 21:47:00,">>48747514
>>48747499
100% certainty is prevented by the cartesian demon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120020
48744178,48747604,2015-07-28 21:48:31,">>48747551
Why do you think THAT?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120111
48744178,48747618,2015-07-28 21:49:16,">>48747551
So nothing is certain, then that just means that 2+2 is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery likely to equal 4. Hardly a good means of tackling Aquinas.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120156
48744178,48747714,2015-07-28 21:51:28,">>48747618
It's a good way of tackling those that think a purely philosophical basis is better than an empirical one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120288
48744178,48747810,2015-07-28 21:53:47,">>48747714
Except an empirical one is impossible in this situation, as is in a great deal of math. If you want to refute Aquinas in this way you would be throwing out a whole lot of important shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120427
48744178,48747902,2015-07-28 21:56:06,">>48747810
Math is a good tool, seems to be very accurate at modeling things. But it's just a tool, you can't figure out the laws of nature with it. 
Take F=ma for example, math is brilliant at determining something's acceleration given its mass and force. But we had to use empiricism to discover F=ma",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120566
48744178,48747991,2015-07-28 21:58:16,"Apparently OP doesn't know about the counter, and is fine with spamming to stay on the top.
I'm an atheist, and I want to know wy so many fellow athests are so antagonistic towards religion. Thankfully I live in a first world country, so I don't have to deal with death threats.
But why are so many of us militant? I live in the south, but even then I simply say ""I don't go to church"" when I'm asked. End of story. What the fuck is up with other atheists' victim complexes?",,Anonymous,839085903.jpg,3MlD72f8vx+bD5WTP7OSmQ==,US,,1438120696
48744178,48748056,2015-07-28 21:59:52,">>48747902
Okay. And yet most of the truths are geometry were discovered not by experimentation but by words on a chalkboard. Thats what we're getting at, if you say ""All truths are scientific"" you're ignoring flat out like half of all truths, and you have no sound basis for doing so other then arbitrary whim.
Most arguments for the Deity work by proving its NECESSARY such a being exist, by demonstrating that some quality of the universe demands it to be consistent and make sense. If you ignore all theoretical arguments, you completely miss the point of the exercise.
Asking for empirical proof of God is as stupid as asking for empirical proof that all Bachelors are unmarried, or that all triangles have three sides.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120792
48744178,48748075,2015-07-28 22:00:13,">>48747991
>I simply say ""I don't go to church"" when I'm asked.
I just say I'm not religious. Internet isn't real life though, as you may have noticed by all the Hitler threads",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120813
48744178,48748109,2015-07-28 22:01:24,">>48748056
>Okay. And yet most of the truths are geometry were discovered not by experimentation but by words on a chalkboard.
Are you trying to make a point, anon?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120884
48744178,48748133,2015-07-28 22:01:42,">>48747327
Ya know you shouldn't have to debate whether or not someone rose from the dead period, you really shouldn't need to be a philosopher or skilled debater to prove that point. It shouldn't even be a debate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120902
48744178,48748142,2015-07-28 22:01:56,">>48747902
There's a little philosophical idea called axioms. Statements that are self-evident in their very premise. Look them up some time. We didn't have to go into the world to find out 2+2=4. Gonna take a back seat to >>48748056, hecan do this shit better.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120916
48744178,48748167,2015-07-28 22:02:30,">>48747991
1. Frustration with religious people or religion in general.
2. Annoyance at religion effecting things in everyday life.
3. The simple evangelistic urge. People who think they have a handle on the truth like to, and ought to like to, talk about it. Its healthy. I will never understand for the life of me how someone can claim to believe what [insert monotheistic religion says] about unbelievers, then work a 9-5, donate nothing to their cause, and basically input minimum effort. Blows my fucking mind.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438120950
48744178,48748222,2015-07-28 22:03:55,">>48748142
>axioms 
Making the claim that something is absolutely true doesn't make it so. Different fields of math have different axioms, simple because math is a tool, not truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121035
48744178,48748283,2015-07-28 22:05:22,">>48748075
It's a common ice breaker down here. ""What church do you go to"" is a pretty common question down here.
But again, I simply say that I don't go. And that's it. I'm not ostracized or anything, that's it. We then move to another topic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121122
48744178,48748296,2015-07-28 22:05:50,">>48748222
Except when the truth is present in the statement itself. That is unless you can disprove 1=1. It isn't empirically wrong, and it isn't logically wrong, so what makes it not absolutely true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121150
48744178,48748301,2015-07-28 22:05:58,">>48748133
Theism =/= Insert Monotheism.
The arguments for deism are infinitely more sound then most atheists would give credit. They are not something we should simply dismiss out of hand. For thousands of years, learned intelligent men studied these arguments, and found them convincing.
As learned men ourselves we should not simply jump to say that all prior people were just idiots who didn't know how wrong they were. At least not with very good reason.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121158
48744178,48748321,2015-07-28 22:06:31,Do atheists believe sex outside of matrimonial union is degenerate?,,Anonymous,1438045768755.gif,ObNGV05v0ph+w+tDO0PQtQ==,US,,1438121191
48744178,48748330,2015-07-28 22:06:49,">>48748283
>It's a common ice breaker down here. ""What church do you go to"" is a pretty common question down here
Damn, sorry man. I've never been asked that",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121209
48744178,48748373,2015-07-28 22:07:54,">>48748296
>It isn't empirically wrong, and it isn't logically wrong, so what makes it not absolutely true?
The cartesian demon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121274
48744178,48748447,2015-07-28 22:09:40,">>48748321
Who is that semen demon? She's real pretty.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121380
48744178,48748479,2015-07-28 22:10:42,">>48748321
Depends who you ask. I believe marriage is obviously a social construct but it is a good one, however casual sex in moderation is 
>>48748373
There's a difference between parroting a phrase and making an argument friend. What reason do I have to doubt self evident truths?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121442
48744178,48748484,2015-07-28 22:10:48,">>48748447
Well judging by the image it appears to be a MILF you can meet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121448
48744178,48748506,2015-07-28 22:11:20,">>48748479
>. What reason do I have to doubt self evident truths?
The cartesian demon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121480
48744178,48748586,2015-07-28 22:13:43,">>48748484
Anon pls",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121623
48744178,48748615,2015-07-28 22:14:24,">>48748506
If the Cartesian demon is creating a false world then it's one with a damn consistent logic. Fuck off solipsist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121664
48744178,48748644,2015-07-28 22:15:21,">>48748506
You going to sprout phrases like a religious person all day, or do you plan on explaining how the idea of a malevolent entity manipulating how you see phenomena in any way affects ideas that are true purely by definition and construction?
An empirical truth is determined by phenomena and thus one can be tricked regarding it by a cartesian demon, however a logical truth is 'just-so', its not determined by comparison to an outside world by by the method by which the terms are placed.
""2+2=4"" is true simply because its inherit in the definition of the concept of twoness for it to equal four when added with itself.
That a bachelor is a man who is unmarried is a truth that is determined by the nature of the word bachelor, its true because of its definition, and regardless of whether any actual bachelors, men, or marriages exist.
Truths that hold in all possible worlds are not effected by the cartesian demon, you ignoramus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121721
48744178,48748713,2015-07-28 22:17:15,">>48748644
>Truths that hold in all possible worlds are not effected by the cartesian demon
Damn, the demon is clever to deceive you so throughly about concepts like logic, 2, and category theory",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121835
48744178,48748733,2015-07-28 22:17:41,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PPk2NOQXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRI6Ad0ji_4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121861
48744178,48748758,2015-07-28 22:18:29,">>48748615
>If the Cartesian demon is creating a false world then it's one with a damn consistent logic.
Agreed, I do my induction in peace",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121909
48744178,48748788,2015-07-28 22:19:02,">>48748713
Okay dude, if you're going to claim that the demon is so perfect it doesn't have to obey logic, you're really as bad as the religious people who say God doesn't have to, and if something doesn't have to obey logic, the fuck are we even doing?
If you're willing to accept an entity can exist who can deceive you so thoroughly you cant' even explain a plausible method for its deception, you might as well go convert to Islam and save us all alot of time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438121942
48744178,48748823,2015-07-28 22:20:00,"Do you think beings on other planets in the past, present, or future believe in God? Do you think they even know God exists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122000
48744178,48748829,2015-07-28 22:20:12,">>48748788
>Okay dude, if you're going to claim that the demon is so perfect it doesn't have to obey logic
I'm sure he obeys REAL logic, just not the lies he's told you :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122012
48744178,48748848,2015-07-28 22:20:46,>>48748823,,Anonymous,1315781068251.jpg,94Msg6A6XkYdx3yd6tr0Tg==,US,,1438122046
48744178,48748868,2015-07-28 22:21:15,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-d4otHE-YI,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122075
48744178,48748915,2015-07-28 22:22:21,">>48748868
Noice",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122141
48744178,48748944,2015-07-28 22:22:56,">>48748829
You know I'm fairly certain philosophy isn't the art of trolling people. But who do I know, I'm just a projection of the demon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122176
48744178,48749012,2015-07-28 22:24:52,">>48744178
LEL, SO LIKE I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GODS TODAY.
AMIDOINITRITE GUISE???",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122292
48744178,48749096,2015-07-28 22:27:16,">>48749012
yes, actually
that's the only requirement for being an atheist as far as I've gathered",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122436
48744178,48749135,2015-07-28 22:28:12,">>48749096
What? I thought all atheists were liberal nihilists that worship islam and communism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122492
48744178,48749310,2015-07-28 22:32:17,">>48744178
How long has fedora chan been a thing? Is it too late to redact her image from these threads? Her design is seriously cringeworthy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122737
48744178,48749340,2015-07-28 22:33:02,">>48749310
She was made on the 15th",,Anonymous,1437583759165.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1438122782
48744178,48749449,2015-07-28 22:35:36,">>48749310
Christ-chan sort of balances it out.",,Anonymous,download.jpg,KHLU2WMF9Phrep5UIF+XbQ==,US,,1438122936
48744178,48749452,2015-07-28 22:35:43,">>48749340
Is it supposed to be ironic or is this the image you guys seriously want to represent you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438122943
48744178,48749503,2015-07-28 22:37:03,"The Argument from Paradoxical Paradoxes:
God exists.
Now that this is out of the way, we have to define what we mean by ""God"".
If God is defined as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, there are a number of logical paradoxes that can only be resolved by God using his creation as a proxy to accomplish them.
>If God is omnipotent, can God create a rock that is so heavy he cannot lift it?
Yes. Observe.
*walks up to a giant boulder and fails to lift it*
>If God is omniscient, can God know the experience of ignorance?
I don't know. Or... Yes... Wait... Is this a trick question?
>If God is omnipresent, can he get lost?
I'm not going to demonstrate this one, because I'd have to find my way back.
>Can God defy logic?
Jesus is my lord and savior.
Clearly, God's creation is an inevitable manifestation of God's abilities.
There is one paradox, however, that is unresolved...
>Can God not exist?
Therefore, God exists.",,Anonymous,images.jpg,q2Vb/Eb2kht6+TwctUjizQ==,US,,1438123023
48744178,48749579,2015-07-28 22:38:55,">>48749452
I can't speak for all atheists, but for me It's ironic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438123135
48744178,48749673,2015-07-28 22:41:00,">>48749340
There's a lot of info in our bin.
-----Fedora Facts!
*Fedora-chan's birthday is 15 Jul 2015. This is the first day to have atheism general and (I think) her first art.
*Fedora-chan's cuteness grows the more atheists there are
*Christ-chan is not completely honest with her feelings about Fedora-chan
>ON EMPIRICAL PROOF
 It is impossible to truly know anything for certain. Your whole life could be a sophisticated computer simulation ran by a bored alien. It is impossible to know that alien running the program will not make you feel extreme pain if you do not give me $20 and follow my advice.
 Thus to make any sort of conclusion you need evidence. Because you have no evidence for this alien, you keep your $20 and make your own choices.
The greater magnitude of a claim, the more it affects your life, the more you most exert yourself the more evidence you need to believe it. ""Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"".
 Claiming that there is a powerful,undetectable, thing that will give endless pleasure or endless torture based on how well you fellow a couple hundred pages of instructions....requires a whole lot of fucking proof.
 And there are several different religions all claiming similar things. Even if you found this spirit-judge-thing totally believable you would have multiple religions to pick from! And within each section different sects with different beliefs!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438123260
48744178,48749691,2015-07-28 22:41:24,">>48749452
I would have gone with this one, but then no one would be laughing.",,Anonymous,hyperreality illustrated.jpg,jdmOcV/StmDGiXe43OjnLQ==,US,,1438123284
48744178,48749715,2015-07-28 22:42:04,">>48749503
I think you need to review the definition of omnipotence. You seem to be manipulating it to fit your puzzles. An omnipotent being can not failby definition.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438123324
48744178,48749876,2015-07-28 22:45:45,">>48749715
A truely all powerful being would be able to do logical or contradicting things.
For instance it could make 2+2=5, create a 3 sided square, it could simultaneously not exist and exist at the same time.
You could never ever prove it wrong or prove it doesn't even exist. Because it is not bound by logic, reason, or consistency (infinite power means no restrictions).
A Christian could just straight say that all your reasoning and science is irrelevant in the face of something that can be a living paradox but they do not have the balls to say this. It would also reveal how profoundly stupid an 'omnipotent being' is",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438123545
48744178,48749880,2015-07-28 22:45:49,">>48749503
You don't understand. God is beyond human understanding. You can never understand therefore everything confusing about him only adds to his credibility, not hinder it. Christian logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438123549
48744178,48749987,2015-07-28 22:48:30,">>48749715
>Omnipotence is the quality of having unlimited power.
If God doesn't have the power to impose limitation upon himself, then he fails, by definition.
I think your problem is that you're not getting the subtle implication towards the end of the argument.
>There is one paradox, however, that is unresolved...
>>Can God not exist?
If God can 'not exist', then there is no paradox in the first place. Because, logically, he doesn't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438123710
48744178,48750000,2015-07-28 22:48:57,">>48749880
>>48749987",,Anonymous,doctor-woman-depressed-e1383192003969.jpg,h0Sv2jm7rNcIDAatcBaDnA==,US,,1438123737
48744178,48750055,2015-07-28 22:50:26,">>48744178
>and seek truth
You aren't doing this if you are not seeking Christ.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438123826
48744178,48750132,2015-07-28 22:52:36,">>48749452
Irony, godfags get confused when we post it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438123956
48744178,48750179,2015-07-28 22:53:59,"Challenge to all the professional fedora tippers ITT; Without being a cheating bitch and looking it up, recite the second line of the Bible.
Yeah, didn't think so.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438124039
48744178,48750250,2015-07-28 22:55:47,">>48750179
what advantage do you have for knowing it in case you know it?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438124147
48744178,48750292,2015-07-28 22:56:53,">>48750179
Something or other about...
>And the earth was void, and the face of God shone upon the waters...
I could be wrong.
It doesn't matter if I am.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124213
48744178,48750301,2015-07-28 22:57:10,">>48750179
Isn't it something about the earth being formless?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124230
48744178,48750409,2015-07-28 22:59:56,">>48750000
What a waste of quads
Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.
Romans 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124396
48744178,48750427,2015-07-28 23:00:28,">>48750292
>face over the water 
Oh yeah! I remember that from mass readings now (usually around Christmas or Easter)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124428
48744178,48750481,2015-07-28 23:01:49,">>48750179
Isn't that the one that says that the water existed before anything else? It never even said God made the water, the water is as old as God.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438124509
48744178,48750515,2015-07-28 23:02:56,">>48749503
>there are a number of logical paradoxes that can only be resolved
If they can be resolved then they aren't paradoxes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124576
48744178,48750606,2015-07-28 23:05:22,">>48750409
Again, if God's power is unlimited, then he cannot be incapable of being nonexistent.
So he either *doesn't* exist in the first place and you're unironically presenting a fictional work to me as the legitimate history of the universe, or he both exists and does not exist simultaneously, as being an entity which transcends time leaves him with no time to go from existing to not existing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124722
48744178,48750611,2015-07-28 23:05:31,">>48745907
Okay, I'm finally home. Lemme get to writing...",,Anonymous,1433205459573.jpg,Ow56sovq1hUYGn3nt96Uvw==,US,,1438124731
48744178,48750625,2015-07-28 23:06:06,ITT: Appeal to Science fallacies,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124766
48744178,48750694,2015-07-28 23:07:32,"Random topic of discussion to people that have actually read the bible.
Nietzche had a theory that Jesus's teachings were corrupted and the official version we get is outrageously far from the truth.
He reasoned Jesus wasn't serious about Judaism and he just used it as a platform to look important, if he lived in India he would claim to be from the Hindu gods.
Jesus saw the people suffering around him (old Judaism basically says that Jews will live miserable lives as God's punishment for their sin) and devised a philosophy to heal them.
Only the inner mind mattered. The material world was just an after-thought, almost a dream. Jesus always talked about the material world in allegory form, almost never literally. He talks much about 'inner light' and 'feeling God in you'
When he said the kingdom of heaven is within you he meant it literally. Heaven is a state of mind.
His death on the cross was his him following his passive resistance philosophy to the grave.
His 'return and revenge' was an invention of his disciples who couldn't understand that type of teaching. Jesus never wanted to be worshiped and he didn't really have anything to do with Judaism.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438124852
48744178,48750702,2015-07-28 23:07:44,">>48750625
The only appeal Fedora-chan is making is to your eyes",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_sexy.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1438124864
48744178,48750730,2015-07-28 23:08:33,">>48750625
Appealing to science is a fallacy?
This is a profound revelation that completely disrupts our entire understanding of reality.
Well, so much for all that.
Them damned talking serpents, always making us think we're capable of observing reality in the closest manner we can to objectively.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438124913
48744178,48750810,2015-07-28 23:10:31,">>48744178
>No real reasons against Catholicism
So, you just proved your lack of faith is a sham. Tippity top kek. Enjoy hell.",,Anonymous,barraged.jpg,a14sd7/P+n4Twt4YbgJ0DQ==,US,,1438125031
48744178,48750846,2015-07-28 23:11:22,">>48750702
>Giving sex appeal to a brony",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438125082
48744178,48750857,2015-07-28 23:11:43,">>48750606
I'm just presenting to you a common argument that Christians make to justify God's existence. I recently got into a discussion about the holy trinity with a christfag and his reasoning was ""Oh, you can't comprehend God because is beyond human understanding."" They also use the same logic to justify contradictions with God's morality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438125103
48744178,48750952,2015-07-28 23:13:36,">>48750625
Are facts considered to be fallacies in your book?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438125216
48744178,48750977,2015-07-28 23:14:08,">>48750810
It says 'incomplete' right at the fucking top.
also
*anything against Judaism applies to Catholicism since they share the same book
*anything I write against non-organized Christianity will apply to Catholicism
The Catholic section only writes about the Papacy and is incomplete.
When it is done there will be more reasons against Catholicism than any other.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438125248
48744178,48751042,2015-07-28 23:15:36,">>48750857
You should have simply pointed out that he keeps pushing him outside of human comprehension without realizing that it raises the question of whether we are indeed capable of comprehending that he exists.
>We can't discuss the implications of X because X is incomprehensible.
Is incomprehensible nonsense.
But yes. It's funny how they do that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438125336
48744178,48751052,2015-07-28 23:15:53,">>48750611
>A: In the Bronze Age
Jesus did not live in the Bronze Age.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438125353
48744178,48751114,2015-07-28 23:17:35,">>48749449
Christ-chan looks somewhat likable. 
>>48749673
Those fedora facts are cringy. Put an end to this before you damage atheism's image more than Reddit did.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438125455
48744178,48751200,2015-07-28 23:19:48,">>48750810
>Enjoy hell
meh",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438125588
48744178,48751626,2015-07-28 23:30:43,">>48751052
Doesn't really change the point being made much",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438126243
48744178,48751645,2015-07-28 23:31:10,">>48744178
There is an atheism general? Impressive; I always assumed /pol/ was full of christfags. Anyway, were any of your guys part of the Richard Dawkins forums before Josh/Dawkins killed it? 
After spending years on there I was pretty much over arguing about atheism and the usually canards brought up by theists. The final straw was coming back to the whole scene a few years later to find this ""Atheism+"" bullshit. Fuck feminists and social justice terrorists. 
What do you guys discuss in these threads? I'm guessing more or less a lot of rehashing the same old arguments time and time again?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438126270
48744178,48751924,2015-07-28 23:38:22,"Daily reminder that the Qur'an correctly tells of the earth's shape and also of the big bang.
Tell me, how would an illiterate man from 6-7th century know such a thing?
Islam is the religion of science. Former atheist btw.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438126702
48744178,48751932,2015-07-28 23:38:42,">>48751645
Christians come in here to talk to us. The dumb ones try to play the agnostic game, that we cannot know for certain God exists. While this is stricly true we tell there is a need for evidence.
The smart ones argue Aquinas which is boring.
They used to argue for moral reasons but the idea that humans create their own good and evil seems to be sinking in.
We hate atheism+ here too.
You have any feedback on the bin btw?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438126722
48744178,48752057,2015-07-28 23:41:30,">>48751924
Yeah the Towheads totally wrote about the radiological proof for the big bang. Than they used it to extrapolate the age of the universe. True story.
If Islam is the religion than the whole middle is Heretics. Fucking Isreal makes more scientific advances than all of the rest of the middle east COMBINED. And they do that while not even working on Saturday!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438126890
48744178,48752136,2015-07-28 23:43:26,">>48750977
I read your section on Catholicism, as a former catholic I would argue its not well done. As compared to protestants they are much more accepting of science, and the protestant criticisms of Catholicism are frankly wrong, the Catholic and Orthodox teachings are older and closer to what early Christian sects actually believed.
that said the early church was almost certainly filled with various sects, and there were debates which mostly ended with the bishops and their supporters in firm control. They really didn't become politicians until after Constantine, though they did get steadily more influential before that.
The main problem with bishops historically is that the position of bishop and priest seem to be conflated in early documents, so the position of bishop might have been a second generation development, or not universally adapted early on. (very early on like before 100AD)
If your going to describe the religions you need to do so in an academic manner, without the cheap insults. There are plenty of historical and philosophical issues you can raise without promoting the fedora wearing anti-theist stereotype.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438127006
48744178,48752187,2015-07-28 23:44:39,">>48752057
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
Sura 51:47",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438127079
48744178,48752189,2015-07-28 23:44:47,What fucking retard decided to make this general on /pol/ obvious b8 athiest circle jerk incoming.,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438127087
48744178,48752192,2015-07-28 23:44:56,">>48751932
>that we cannot know for certain God exists. While this is stricly true
That's a red herring entirely. It is ""strictly true"" that you cannot know for certain that SHoiufhrnvsg aoghgiogrj73737 exists, either. Concepts which are not defined may as well be discarded entirely. 
Why waste time contemplating the existence of some word which represents something without defining attributes? Anyway, drop the trip. There are enough faggots talking about these things as it is.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438127096
48744178,48752536,2015-07-28 23:53:42,">>48752192
>Concepts which are not defined may as well be discarded entirely.
Catholics will say God is ""the subsisting act of being itself"", then basically claim that God must exist because we exist (our being is being subsisted by Him)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438127622
48744178,48752639,2015-07-28 23:56:09,">>48752192
Well perhaps a higher being creating the universe is a possibility. Personally, don't believe in Christianity or any man-made religions, but I don't want to rule out the chance that there could be gods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438127769
48744178,48752647,2015-07-28 23:56:26,">>48752136
>much more accepting of science
I don't think I ever accused them of being anti-science. I will write that up for the Protestants though. I should probably make it more clear that Catholicism is the strongest form of Christianity. I think it's the second best Semitic religion behind Judaism...which is only good if you are a jew.
>Catholic and Orthodox teachings are older and closer to what early Christian sects actually believed.
Aquinas, Dante, and the dozens of other theologians that were have been canonized are not what early Christians beleived. Dante didn't fucking exist back than! 
The fact that you might have gotten the interpretation of one or two parables better is fucking trivial
>If your going to describe the religions you need to do so in an academic manner
You wanna write the 'official version?' I am actually not qualified to do this.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438127786
48744178,48753067,2015-07-29 00:07:14,">>48751924
>>48752057
>>48752187
Aaand of course no rebuttal.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438128434
48744178,48753123,2015-07-29 00:08:59,">>48752647
>Aquinas, Dante, and the dozens of other theologians that were have been canonized are not what early Christians beleived
Dante was not a theologian, he was a writer, one who I might add just made up alot of things as he went along. he was never wrting church doctrine.
As for the likes of Aquinas your right, one of the big divides between Orthodox and Catholicism is that Catholics like theories. the orthodox often prefer to leave things unanswered. People like Aquinas tried to explain church doctrine in light of things like Aristotle, all and all I would say he did a decent job being as he was working with what they had nearly nine hundred years ago. 
What I mean is the model of priesthood and apostolic tradition is closer to what a Christan in 150AD would believe than protestantism is. In the same way some sects of Buddhism are closer to what the original monastic communities of India believed than others are.
>You wanna write the 'official version?' 
I could, but I really don't feel like it at the moment. If I feel like it later I might right parts of it for you if your still interested.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438128539
48744178,48753244,2015-07-29 00:12:22,">>48752187
What the fuck does that even mean? Who's ""We""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438128742
48744178,48753267,2015-07-29 00:13:01,">>48753067
>no one responded to my ridiculous comments, therefore I won.
no, you are still wrong. just because the Koran managed to get a few things right, doesn't mean that the entire book is correct. use your head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKCJ6RRIFw
The Koran is completely far fetched and anyone who actually looked at it could tell.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438128781
48744178,48753470,2015-07-29 00:18:22,">>48752647
Can you add this to the pastebin, under the heading ""Godless Morals""
http://pastebin.com/5xGFB3XH",,Anonymous,transform4.png,k4H9jl1EivEAY+XRit0n5A==,US,,1438129102
48744178,48754003,2015-07-29 00:34:02,">>48753470
Whoops, please use this version. Fixed some typos:
http://pastebin.com/iHgxi5Hz",,Anonymous,transform2.jpg,tNgAdcJ+v9sAjxF2820ndA==,US,,1438130042
48744178,48754048,2015-07-29 00:35:30,">>48753123
Whether or not you are following the old government model for the church is kind of irrelevant to atheists. We are concerned with the mystical elements (is there a God? what's he like?) and the moral elements (does Christianity lead to a desierable society)
But yeah if government structure is an important part of Catholic theology it should go in.
If Dante isn't a theologian what is he? Isn't his interpretation of hell at least partially canon? Same with Mills and paradise lost?
Also should I break it into Orthodox and Roman Catholic? I'm going to group up every unstructured religion in one section (as far as I'm concerned the difference between them is way too minor, a few opinions over rituals and interpretations of parables)
I hope to eventually get the Catholic version into something that is considered 'accurate'.
I'm sort of thinking of doing a 'good things' about the religions also but that's kind of iffy because it's so subjective. If I wrote for Catholicism I'd give you guys credit for a decent government system and artistic merits. 
 
I'll probably need to use you guys for the other sects too.
>>48753470
I'll look over it.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438130130
48744178,48754190,2015-07-29 00:39:30,">>48754048
>I'm sort of thinking of doing a 'good things' about the religions
No need, they do that themselves",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438130370
48744178,48754535,2015-07-29 00:48:35,">post yfw for all their talk, atheists cannot provide a single piece of evidence from the entire body of human knowledge that God doesn't exist
>the face when",,Anonymous,1437985227267.png,dMwmXNiTg6++VAzysssMng==,US,,1438130915
48744178,48754580,2015-07-29 00:49:42,">>48754535
mfw",,Anonymous,7sxeY.jpg,nCBwOvVfElwU0oARk0EZkA==,US,,1438130982
48744178,48754656,2015-07-29 00:52:22,">>48754580
hahaha you're actually terrified of the fact that there's no response to what i just said. didn't realize it was that easy to pwn atheists",,Anonymous,1437973991547.jpg,L22+kYTTQ+jYB4qquuou8Q==,US,,1438131142
48744178,48754679,2015-07-29 00:53:05,">>48754656
Do you believe in everything that can't be proved to not exist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438131185
48744178,48754696,2015-07-29 00:53:30,fellow atheist here,,Anonymous,1379256196190.jpg,FwZyRiwMGselIaqoF3sJjg==,US,,1438131210
48744178,48754736,2015-07-29 00:54:33,">>48754656
UR JUST AN IDIOT CHRISTIAN, ATHEISTS ARE THE SMARTEST AND CHRISTIANS ARE DUMB LIKE YOU!!!",,Anonymous,1376248884503.png,yeSm6raxPxNNWvWQZHY+CA==,US,,1438131273
48744178,48754795,2015-07-29 00:56:10,">>48745208
none of them because they're annoying",,Anonymous,1387079150391.png,9q2b0/uU5Tm5Eao5eD27dQ==,US,,1438131370
48744178,48754807,2015-07-29 00:56:35,">>48754736
Good.
Only when being ironic is when theists are correct.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438131395
48744178,48754837,2015-07-29 00:57:23,scienc is the only tru god ;),,Anonymous,1435556361336.jpg,2xf8hBig1g9oN6UsRcDicA==,US,,1438131443
48744178,48754851,2015-07-29 00:57:53,">>48754535
The burden of proof lies on YOU
This logic is incredibly stupid and flawed, because It's YOUR god, so It's up to YOU to prove it exists.",,Anonymous,idiots.png,lVSY4MFX73ctmZZSXYzBxA==,US,,1438131473
48744178,48754858,2015-07-29 00:58:06,">>48754807
Still waiting on a response to >>48754535",,Anonymous,1437906841553.jpg,x090canDcFZqPJstUJBJfw==,US,,1438131486
48744178,48754867,2015-07-29 00:58:16,">>48754837
>>48754795
>>48754696
Thanks for the bumps, godfag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438131496
48744178,48754870,2015-07-29 00:58:21,">>48754807
>le atheists correct about everying
>even though nothing the think is correct has been proven",,Anonymous,1400993628616.jpg,c7eDeHe5B1zgMi1TpALsQw==,US,,1438131501
48744178,48754899,2015-07-29 00:59:20,">>48754867
no problem fedora fag",,Anonymous,1437552255365.jpg,MUkmC545i+37HegC9M+W8A==,US,,1438131560
48744178,48754916,2015-07-29 00:59:49,">>48754851
i don't have to prove anything because i find God through faith. besides, that would be true if you were agnostic: you actually believe God doesn't exist.
>here we go
>muh muh terms
>muh weasel definitions
my body is ready. hit me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438131589
48744178,48754924,2015-07-29 01:00:07,>>48750132,,Anonymous,every atheist ever.jpg,VKsH9oEIREM0RmatQIrcaw==,US,,1438131607
48744178,48754944,2015-07-29 01:00:53,">>48754535
>stop liking what i dont like
how does it even interfere with youe life if someone doesnt go to church on sundays and beliefs in something else?",,Anonymous,1424497059322.gif,omikGdqbr9t7yEaKbluPIw==,DE,,1438131653
48744178,48754953,2015-07-29 01:01:04,">>48754916
>i find God through faith
Why should anyone care what you find through faith?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438131664
48744178,48754971,2015-07-29 01:01:38,>>48747011,,Anonymous,I+can+t+belive+someone+belives+in+this+faggot+he+is+_796c06c76be1f743ce0b556a73472ccf.png,aQb+mKpluGFWab4ex4S+1w==,US,,1438131698
48744178,48754976,2015-07-29 01:01:49,dips banana,,Anonymous,Dips Banana.png,nlE2F0b8MjLZZfQwHf5d9w==,US,,1438131709
48744178,48755007,2015-07-29 01:02:56,"gonna keep bumpin for my atheist brother-en, remember bros CHRISTIANS ARE DUMB, AND WE'RE THE ENLIGHTENED ONES!!!",,Anonymous,Gt+new+atheist+fedora+wielding+faggot+gt+calling+me+cringe+_19acbd1cca8a9b2a20ae6034007894a0.jpg,1KzbYx1b2pvViEIwHLpeUg==,US,,1438131776
48744178,48755011,2015-07-29 01:03:06,">>48754971
... that guy you quoted is a theist",,Anonymous,mufasa.jpg,JRJGw7AIfmt+SqVfYikgAg==,US,,1438131786
48744178,48755017,2015-07-29 01:03:15,">>48754944
""It doesn't affect you, why do you care?""
This is how all degeneracy on Earth starts.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438131795
48744178,48755026,2015-07-29 01:03:23,">>48754858
That wasn't bait?
You seriously believe that's a correct train of thought?
You can't provide evidence that mythical creatures don't exist either.
They're man-made. Just like your god.",,Anonymous,1437182141413.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,PR,,1438131803
48744178,48755031,2015-07-29 01:03:31,">>48754916
>i don't have to prove anything because i find God through faith
...And that FUCKING ridiculous! You've never seen any type of evidence nor have you ever seen any type of logical reason (besides escapism) to believe in god
You literally just admitted that you believe in something for literally no reason. 
It would be like me saying that my cat is god because I said so. your reasoning and your logic is so fucking idiotic that it makes my head spin.
believing in something because of ""muh faith"" is just stupid",,Anonymous,angry mio.gif,hJTQFF1L2CoOpxxEB6x/Xg==,US,,1438131811
48744178,48755059,2015-07-29 01:04:12,">>48754944
>atheist
>says somebody else has autism
the irony",,Anonymous,1408367028164.jpg,fPKOxA0cfO6etDgg4Mappg==,US,,1438131852
48744178,48755064,2015-07-29 01:04:17,">>48755007
jesus christ what the fuck is that thing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438131857
48744178,48755124,2015-07-29 01:06:18,">>48755011
of course, I am an atheist myself. I agree with this man that christians are evil by stealing the pagan holidays and making it their own. REMEMBER EVERYONE CHRISTIANS ARE DUMB, AND WE ARE THE INTELLECTUAL ONES. WE DON'T NEED GIRLFRIENDS WHEN WE HAVE SCIENCE!",,Anonymous,fag.jpg,/kTU8S6xj//QwhWS6xXaBw==,US,,1438131978
48744178,48755140,2015-07-29 01:06:46,">>48755007
>look mom I posted it again XD
seriously dude, you are just making creationists look even more stupid",,Anonymous,troll kid (2).jpg,ONlrEBHpro8vU9r9ebep7g==,US,,1438132006
48744178,48755202,2015-07-29 01:08:56,">>48755031
oh look suddenly this poster is a psychologist
>(and suddenly ad hominem is acceptable argumentation????)
this is why no one has ever been convinced of atheism by an atheist LOL",,Anonymous,1437955559807.jpg,XNXGrDGxI6y271fDfRNCOg==,US,,1438132136
48744178,48755226,2015-07-29 01:09:38,">>48755031
some people after reading the word of God see the way, that is were the faith comes from. Just because you don't understand faith doesn't mean it's stupid. I don't know why atheists are so obsessed with proving Christians wrong and show how much smarter they are. Making an atheism general is even more proof of this. Why can't people live in peace with their own separate beliefs.",,Anonymous,1437353146154.png,OtNfGCvZ8OYUYOZ8DHQxrA==,US,,1438132178
48744178,48755316,2015-07-29 01:11:59,">>48755140
Another atheist talking about how smart he is compared to Christians. This is why these images were made, so really you own comment right here made you look more stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132319
48744178,48755328,2015-07-29 01:12:26,">>48755226
>Just because you don't understand faith doesn't mean it's stupid.
It's ""stupid"" because since it is ""faith"" it lacks ""knowledge"", and intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. Hence, it is stupid because it is the opposite of intelligent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132346
48744178,48755408,2015-07-29 01:14:36,">>48755202
Yeah, because you have been indoctrinated into believing something for no reason. You literally just admitted that the only reason you believe in Christ is because of ""faith""
>this is why no one has ever been convinced of atheism by an atheist LOL
NO... No one has ever convinced you because you choose not to be convinced. Every time someone tries to show you evidence to the contrary, you block it out because you don't want to believe that you are alone in the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132476
48744178,48755433,2015-07-29 01:15:17,">>48755124
so you found new channel to shit up, nice!",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438132517
48744178,48755435,2015-07-29 01:15:21,"How do you feel about ancient atheist? 
Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri
Born: December 973 CE
Died: May 1057 CE
Described as a ""pessimistic freethinker"", Al-Maʿarri was a controversial rationalist of his time, citing reason as the chief source of truth. He was pessimistic about life describing himself as ""a double prisoner"" of blindness and isolation. He attacked the dogmas of religion and rejected Islam. He was equally sarcastic towards the religions of Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians. He advocated social justice, and lived a secluded, ascetic lifestyle. He was a strict vegetarian, writing ""do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals."" Al-Maʿarri held an anti-natalist view, in line with his general pessimism, suggesting that children should not be born to spare them of the pains of life.
Does anyone share his thoughts?",,Anonymous,AbuAla_al_Ma&#039;arri_-_Arab_Philosopher.jpg,UeirzmPAJRNFkFZ+iMsLLQ==,US,,1438132521
48744178,48755530,2015-07-29 01:18:12,">>48755408
>yfw i used to be an atheist
>yfw i became a believer, like all people over the age of 21
show me one piece of evidence to the contrary.
just one piece of evidence that gods not real i'm waiting dick in hand",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132692
48744178,48755550,2015-07-29 01:18:44,">>48755316
>This is why these images were made, so really you own comment right here made you look more stupid.
Ah, the classic ""no u"" argument
>>48755226
>Just because you don't understand faith doesn't mean it's stupid
It IS stupid. believing in something for no reason besides ""muh faith"" is stupid. plain and simple.
 If I told you that I had a dragon in my garage, and that the only way to see said dragon is to have faith that it exists, would you believe me? OF FUCKING COURSE NOT!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132724
48744178,48755554,2015-07-29 01:18:49,">>48755435
>He was a strict vegetarian, writing ""do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals.""
Dunno about the rest, but damn meat is delicious. Don't know how he did it. Maybe it was easier back then when you couldn't order a pepperoni pizza on your phone while naked in bed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132729
48744178,48755622,2015-07-29 01:21:17,">>48755530
>Show me evidence that there ISN'T a dragon in my garage. prove to me that dragons DON'T exist.
this is what you sound like
I'll let dusty explain it, if you still don't get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCXBenyIEl8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438132877
48744178,48755706,2015-07-29 01:23:55,">>48754003
The first part is very wordy. I could probably trim it to be half the length easily but the basic premise is good.
Everything after that delves into philosophy that is not very universal, at least I disagree with some key points. It's very Utilitarianism. 
If you wanted to bring up, whoever the philosophy is that voices these, they would need their own section like Nietzsche.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438133035
48744178,48755769,2015-07-29 01:25:38,">>48755622
oh i'm sorry, so when you say science suggests that God isn't real, you were just lying? wait are atheists intellectually dishonest hypocrites? do they use weasel words incessantly?
i'm not clicking on your gay link. thanks for digging that up for me champ",,Anonymous,1438129747695.jpg,WHz/olqXtP+LrJTJkzFhrg==,US,,1438133138
48744178,48755795,2015-07-29 01:26:23,">>48755706
It's not Utilitarianism, it's secular humanism. Don't trim it, it is already too short. I write it is what ""I believe"". Please don't edit it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133183
48744178,48755851,2015-07-29 01:28:21,">>48755622
>that video
this is why people hate atheists.",,Anonymous,1437787433209.jpg,DMpH7p5LJrNmo6jCjvhJVw==,US,,1438133301
48744178,48755873,2015-07-29 01:28:55,">>48755795
Ok if you want we can create a new section that discusses secular humanism like how I gave Nietzsche his own section.
Intro opinions seems pretty universal. Where exactly did you want it again? It doesn't seem to fit in any category.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438133335
48744178,48755886,2015-07-29 01:29:24,">>48755769
>I won't click on your link
>I choose to block out any criticism of my religion
ok, kid.
Oh and by the way, Science suggests that the earth is 4.6 million years old, thus proving your ancient book to be WRONG in the age of the universe.
If your all knowing god was wrong in one area, then he's probably wrong in the entire thing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133364
48744178,48755918,2015-07-29 01:30:24,">>48755886
>4.6 million 
Americans.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438133424
48744178,48755931,2015-07-29 01:30:45,">>48755873
People ask me all the time about how you can have morals without God/afterlife. How are we not all nihilists? I just want a simple resource to link them to. Call it ""Godless Morals"" or ""Secular Humanism"" or whatever.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133445
48744178,48755938,2015-07-29 01:30:53,">>48755886
whoops. meant to say 4.6 billion. sorry",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133453
48744178,48755982,2015-07-29 01:32:15,">>48755918
yeah, I know. how dare someone make a small spelling mistake?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133535
48744178,48755986,2015-07-29 01:32:31,">>48755886
>thus proving you know nothing about the christianity you claim to criticize
amazing, it really surprises me you're ignorant on the most basic points of christianity! that's really something else!
>blocking out any knowledge of the thing you criticize
come on youre like 15 aren't you faggot?",,Anonymous,9876976.png,At+/cFefJsvP9qCVPi8K2g==,US,,1438133551
48744178,48756049,2015-07-29 01:34:53,">>48755986
>your 15
>your a faggot
man, nice points! I hereby recant my atheism and will start worshiping yahweh for now on!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133693
48744178,48756106,2015-07-29 01:36:51,">>48756049
welcome to the herd",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438133811
48744178,48756109,2015-07-29 01:36:57,">>48755931
What you posted is not simple. It's fairly lengthy. A simple thing would be
 'Humans create their own value, their own meaning, their own good bad. Some examples of these thought frames are; Nietzche,Secular Humanism, Buddhism, Taoism, Unitarianism, Objectivism, Cultural Christianity. '
That would be 2 sentences not an essay.
What you gave me is much more it's an entire framework for establishing meaning, a synopsis of Secular humanism",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438133817
48744178,48756156,2015-07-29 01:38:19,">>48755986
In all seriousness, though, I provided evidence against you in that video.
You choosing not to watch it doesn't make me wrong. it makes you look stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133899
48744178,48756166,2015-07-29 01:38:41,">>48755622
>how would you try to prove smurfs don't exist?
>you can't prove the smurfs don't exist
Pierre Culliford wrote it as fiction, so you can just ask him(or could, he's been dead since 1992) and he'd tell you that they were made up.
Same way we know the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and the easter bunny aren't real. They were fiction, and admitted fiction by their creators.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133921
48744178,48756168,2015-07-29 01:38:52,">>48756109
Haha, if 2 sentences were convincing to anyone that come off with such ideas like ""You logically must be all nihilists!"" then I wouldn't have taken the time to write all that out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438133932
48744178,48756233,2015-07-29 01:41:02,">>48756166
So if they wrote it as non-fiction instead of fiction, it would have merit?",,Anonymous,miss-the-point.png,xlEI5bWMSj6sZ06aPQsiJg==,US,,1438134062
48744178,48756251,2015-07-29 01:41:44,">>48756233
If they wrote it as non-fiction, then the burden of proof is on them to prove what they're saying is true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134104
48744178,48756322,2015-07-29 01:44:45,">>48756251
>If they wrote it as non-fiction, then the burden of proof is on them to prove what they're saying is true.
EXACTLY!
Creationists think that the bible was written as non-fiction, so it's up to creationists to prove that what it's saying is true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134285
48744178,48756324,2015-07-29 01:44:48,">>48756168
I explained we are not nihilistic in 2 sentences. But just because you explain something doesn't mean it will convince anyone. Some people beleive that no atheist can ever not be a nihilistic no matter what.
Look I have ZERO problems with you sharing Secular humanism but it is wrong to misrepresent all atheists by saying 'we are not nihilists because of these Secular Humanistic beleifs'. 
I understand Secular Humanism is super popular with young atheists. If you want it can have it's own page and you can write whatever you want in it.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438134288
48744178,48756422,2015-07-29 01:48:05,">>48756324
You gotta realize that a lot of the stuff you write is also extremely opinionated, overly broad, inaccurate, and otherwise dishonest to the thing you're trying to argue against.
Just make a page called Secular Humanism and add it to the pastebin please.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134485
48744178,48756425,2015-07-29 01:48:09,">>48745208
Armored Skeptic, The Justicar(though a lot of his videos aren't atheism oriented) CoolHardLogic, and Martymer81 are good ones.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134489
48744178,48756464,2015-07-29 01:49:35,">>48756322
Agreed.
But saying crap like ""proving god doesn't exist is the same thing as proving spiderman doesn't exist"" is a terrible comparison, because Stan Lee will admit to creating Spiderman up from his imagination, while the founder of a religion will attempt to defend their god as real.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134575
48744178,48756502,2015-07-29 01:50:47,">>48756464
>because Stan Lee will admit to creating Spiderman up from his imagination
This doesn't actually prove spiderman doesn't exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134647
48744178,48756511,2015-07-29 01:51:02,">>48756156
>provided evidence
>that god isn't real
who would have thought that news would be broken in youtube and not a newspaper or tv
>troll harder faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134662
48744178,48756515,2015-07-29 01:51:07,">>48756422
Ok. It will get it's own page. This is what I wanted anyway. What do you want the description to be? I wrote Nietzsche's page description.
My stuff will be opinionated, anything anyone writes will, if there are any particular examples where think it is unreasonable let me know.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438134667
48744178,48756543,2015-07-29 01:51:52,">>48755550
>Oh no he had a comeback
>I know I will call his comeback a meme!",,Anonymous,1436917684750.png,ODXFK2oAq7SJeG/r9uoWTQ==,US,,1438134712
48744178,48756581,2015-07-29 01:53:00,">>48756511
>you're a faggot
>troll harder
>your link is gay
Listen, I don't know what to tell you, but your ""arguments"" sure aren't helping your cause",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134780
48744178,48756594,2015-07-29 01:53:33,">>48755886
WOW didn't know people were alive back 4.6 billion years to document this. Oh wait....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134813
48744178,48756658,2015-07-29 01:55:30,">>48756049
Yes goyim, he called you a faggot. His arguments are wrong now! What a racist, sexist, homophobic, antisemitic piece of scum!",,Anonymous,1392551871647.png,Qkbdhe7F8sG1Y2MhgUehWQ==,US,,1438134930
48744178,48756659,2015-07-29 01:55:32,">>48756502
>>48756464
I've always thought these absolute attempts to prove there is no God are difficult to pull off arguments. What are you thoughts on this, it's in the discussing religion section.
-----------------------------
The best place to attack a religion is it's value system. This is what Nietzsche did. Once you establish that a religion's values are destructive it doesn't fucking matter if their God exists, we would have a duty to OPPOSE their God and declare it the enemy of all mankind. Literally angels battling f-16 jets in the sky!
 
The second best attack is to humanize the religion and take God out. To show how the religion was man made and to focus on talking about the men involved. God is basically a sock puppet for the priesthood. Remove the sock puppet and all you have is a priesthood scribbling on parchment.
 
The third best is to attack scripture and official dogma. Attacking something that is clearly defined in scripture. If they try to change the interpretation of embarrassing things, do not let them. You can accuse them no longer thinking the religion is 'correct'. That the only authority they are following is their own.
 
The worst thing is to attack individual unrelated things: like a lone priest doing something stupid. This does not hit the whole organization or even an official dogma. But it can be good for lulz that punctuate something.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438134932
48744178,48756673,2015-07-29 01:55:57,">>48756515
>What do you want the description to be?
For anyone that wonders how I can have morals as an atheist 
>if there are any particular examples where think it is unreasonable let me know
Honestly, a lot of it. I don't have the energy to go through it though. And I know some religious guy will bring it up in the thread if there is a major problem, at which point we can fix it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438134957
48744178,48756741,2015-07-29 01:57:56,"Why does Atheism need a general? Why do you constantly talk about religon if you don't believe any of them?
Agnostics: please don't reply with ""I don't know""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135076
48744178,48756742,2015-07-29 01:57:57,">>48756543
okay
>>48756594
we know this because of radiometric dating methods and star light.
How do you think people prove murders? someone doesn't have to be in the same room as a murderer to prove who the killer was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LW06dav7K
>>48756658
yeah ok, I don't know what kind of argument against me this is supposed to be, but I broke down everything he previously said. and he responded with Ad Homs",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135077
48744178,48756772,2015-07-29 01:59:00,">>48756581
ok all you have to do is tell me what proof you have that god isn't real, and you win!
go on!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135140
48744178,48756785,2015-07-29 01:59:22,">>48756741
There is so much to talk about when you disagree with a supermajority of the world",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135162
48744178,48756795,2015-07-29 01:59:41,">>48756772
I did, but apparently my proof is ""gay"". go figure.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135181
48744178,48756798,2015-07-29 01:59:57,">>48756741
Also I have to point out that it is laughable that you guys have 200+ posts with only 35 posters",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135197
48744178,48756799,2015-07-29 01:59:59,">>48756673
Ok I'm going make a page of Secular Humanism.
So it needs to describe Secular Humanism.
""How I can have morals as an atheist"" is way too vague, it could describe literally any atheistic philosophy!
Look at the Nietzsche page description
It describes who Nietzsche is ""Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher"" and gives a clue to what it's about ""Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.""
Give me something like that for Secular Humanism",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438135199
48744178,48756817,2015-07-29 02:00:30,">>48756741
-----Why Do We Have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
There is no one answer to this but some of them are
1. We believe that superstition, and by extension MOST religion, is inherently bad. It makes bad ideas go unchallenged ""God wants it done! You can't challenge God. We must do it!"", basing decisions on the 'spirit world' or 'spirit beings' instead of the real world is insane.
2. By extension if we think it is bad it certainly shouldn't be part of politics. ""The Moon God demands all women wear hijabs, we must have Sharia law!""
3. Some religions have very harmful beliefs, it is necessary that these end.
4. Structured religion like Islam, Catholicism, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witness centralize power in a small priesthood. Because this priesthood is 'divinely appointed' they are basically a tyrant with their God being sock-puppet
5. Many of us became happier after we stopped worrying about hellfire and want to spread that happiness
6. Atheism opens up a big box of philosophers to discuss or learn about.
 
Of course like any thread it's going to be 90% shit/meme posting and 10% discussion",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438135230
48744178,48756829,2015-07-29 02:00:54,">>48756798
Come for the shit posting, stay for the arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135254
48744178,48756842,2015-07-29 02:01:19,">>48756785
>these guys think that god exists
>does he?
>no, I think.
/thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135279
48744178,48756888,2015-07-29 02:02:48,"Christian fag here.. lemme start by saying that no I'm not here to convert anyone, and no I'm not looking to become an atheist I'm just curious and I have a question for atheists.
The only atheists I really ever have met or seen seem as tho they actually hate or would like to attack anyone who believes in a god. I have one atheist friend who is really the only tolerant one, he's still more or less simply laughs off my faith. Why do you hate the idea of people wanting to search for something different than what you believe to be true? It bothers me not that atheists look for their own answers, but why do any 'public' atheists seem to assume an adversarial position towards any faith thinking instead of just explaining atheism or why they are athiest? It seems like every argument for being atheist is simply because you need to be non-theist. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding or have simply been exposed to too small a sample of atheists.
Thanks for reading.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135368
48744178,48756892,2015-07-29 02:02:56,">>48756817
blah blah blah we want to control how others think, but those evil christians oppress us
>why are atheists so intolerable???",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135376
48744178,48756921,2015-07-29 02:03:46,">>48756817
Yeah but it's a fucking non-belief. It doesn't warrant a general. Do people who don't like cookies need their own general?
Or should I just make a general for people who don't believe in Santa?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135426
48744178,48756924,2015-07-29 02:03:53,">>48756892
I was thinking the same thing really =/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135433
48744178,48756940,2015-07-29 02:04:29,">>48756799
For anyone that wonders how I can have morals as an atheist, I present to you secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. 
Not all atheists are secular humanists, but these are my views so I'm going to explain them to you. Remember to always think for yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135469
48744178,48756945,2015-07-29 02:04:37,">>48756742
sorry. I posted the wrong link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LW06dav7KA",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135477
48744178,48756993,2015-07-29 02:06:13,">>48756888
See
>>48756817
also some atheists are just resentful, whiny, bitches. I'll write something on that eventually.
>>48756921
read it again, it explains several reasons why would we want to discuss it (no 6) or push it.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438135573
48744178,48756995,2015-07-29 02:06:18,">>48756888
>Why do you hate the idea of people wanting to search for something different than what you believe to be true?
We don't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135578
48744178,48757054,2015-07-29 02:08:14,">>48756921
>Or should I just make a general for people who don't believe in Santa
If ninety percent of people beloved in Santa, including public officials and teachers, then yes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135694
48744178,48757078,2015-07-29 02:08:53,">>48756995
Maybe I'm mistaken, but anytime some one has an idea of things began or happen that deal with divinity are instantly shot down with you're stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135733
48744178,48757084,2015-07-29 02:09:15,">>48756888
Yes, lots of atheists are real jerks and it's a real shame.
Lots of people use religion as a way of escapism. I'd rather see people believe in god than be depressed all their lives. 
I'm sorry that your experience with atheists has been bad, but they do not represent the whole of the community.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135755
48744178,48757095,2015-07-29 02:09:34,">>48756940
Gotta admit you are hard to deal with.
 
If the pastebin says ""I present"" it makes it look like the fucking OP who copies the pastebin wrote it. That's why the Nietzche one says ""Outerlimit attempts to explain blah blah blah""
How's this
""A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438135774
48744178,48757098,2015-07-29 02:09:45,">>48757078
How things began*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135785
48744178,48757133,2015-07-29 02:10:49,">>48757078
Not always, unless it is based on pure faith. See >>48755328",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135849
48744178,48757148,2015-07-29 02:11:31,">>48757054
well said. but, this argument is just going to pop up again next thread one way or another
 I think we 'ought to compile a list of frequently ask questions and misunderstandings and put it in the pastebin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135891
48744178,48757165,2015-07-29 02:11:54,">>48757095
>If the pastebin says ""I present"" it makes it look like the fucking OP who copies the pastebin wrote it.
I did write it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135914
48744178,48757167,2015-07-29 02:11:56,">>48756502
I just think that when the first person to propose an idea says it's false, then there's no reason to believe it as truth, and stronger than anything.
But you're right, there's no reason for me to negatively believe that a superhero invented 50 years from now that I will never hear of in my life is not real, nor is there a reason to positively believe it is.
>>48756659
Oh, I'm religious. But I can give you my perspective.
The way to destroy a person's faith is by making sure they are educated about their religion by people who don't like it before they're educated by people who do. I think people have a bias for the first strong argument they hear, even if it's shitty. There's atheists who don't believe in god for illogical reasons(I prayed for a pony and didn't get one so god doesn't exist), just like there are people who believe in god for illogical reasons.
Most people are raised religious and are never told to question it, which inherently makes their faith weak because they've never been exposed to any opposition to it. They have no understanding of the other side of the argument, so they concede in ignorance.
Compare this to my upbringing, where my grandfather was a pastor who loved reading books on atheism ""for fun."" Some people fear opposition to their beliefs and flee from it, while others pursue it in their endless search for truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135916
48744178,48757186,2015-07-29 02:12:25,"Can you prove that God doesn't exist?
Why isn't this Agnostic general?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438135945
48744178,48757208,2015-07-29 02:13:20,"I rejected atheism when I was 18 or so because all the representatives of it were ass-hats and I thought the Christians were making a better case. But I should have looked more deeply into other, more respectable proponents of atheism like Neitzsche and such. 
This thread has let me know that there are many atheists who aren't ass-hats. Thanks gents.",,Anonymous,mfw new.jpg,hIw63QtELB4/uupKSM3ruw==,CA,,1438136000
48744178,48757214,2015-07-29 02:13:30,">>48757186
We're almost all agnostic atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136010
48744178,48757226,2015-07-29 02:14:10,"Is there a reason to convince other people to be atheists? As an atheist, I've never found a good reason.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136050
48744178,48757258,2015-07-29 02:15:14,How is atheism not a religon. You fucks literally worship the idea of there not being a god. Its kinda pathetic.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136114
48744178,48757281,2015-07-29 02:16:00,">>48757226
Why should YOU be an atheist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136160
48744178,48757282,2015-07-29 02:16:00,">>48757084
Right? Like I totally get why it would appeal to someone to not have a god as much as it might appeal to someone to have a different thing to believe in. Really they are two ways of thinking that are not dissimilar.
On that note, many atheists bring up the fact that it's wrong for religion to influence politics (or for this example schools) and yes I agree, schools need to be much more broad speaking than to limit to one belief. 
Just like I would not want there to be mandatory bible classes, is it wrong for them to be elective classes? It seems just as oppressive to totally remove, ban, or shun something as it does to force a specific way of thinking across a larger group.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136160
48744178,48757287,2015-07-29 02:16:14,">>48757165
Than use your own fucking pastebin.
Look I'm done. You don't seem to understand that this is for the community. The purpose of a secular human paste-bin would be educate anons about the philosophy, if you are not willing to do that, if it is for yourself and not others it doesn't go on.
It's not even a good description of secular humanism. It would need to be updated to say: the history of it's founders before it would be worthy. And i know you aren't willing to write that.
I want this stuff to actually be well done. That is why I am consulting the Christians to help me write about their religion for the Profiles.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438136174
48744178,48757338,2015-07-29 02:18:20,">>48757287
Just use the description you proposed then, fucking tripfag. I really do hope your pastes can one day reach the same level of quality as the one I just wrote",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136300
48744178,48757340,2015-07-29 02:18:21,">>48757167
Well that's interesting. I sort of went the reverse. When I questioned my faith I sought out religious sources to 'prove' themself and I found them all weak.
When I read Nietzsche which made me look on Christianity and Judaism very, very deeply I tried to find the Christian responses to Nietzsche (so far I haven't found anything good).
What denomination are you?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438136301
48744178,48757357,2015-07-29 02:18:58,">>48757258
the only thing atheists have in common is that we believe the chance of a god existing is infinitesimally slim. we have no set code to live by or anything like that. therefore, atheism is not a religion",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136338
48744178,48757364,2015-07-29 02:19:05,">>48757281
To be free from superstitions?
Call me an asshole, but helping other people with that problem does nothing for me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136345
48744178,48757366,2015-07-29 02:19:09,">>48757186
Agnostic is just being indecisive and not giving much thought to the matter.
>you can't prove he doesn't exist so the possibility is out there
This logic can apply to ANYTHING.
>you can't prove there isn't a nigger brony with 2 dicks and poops rainbow colored shit millions of light years away from Earth
>>48757226
Think of the effects religion has on society then ask yourself that question again.
>>48757258
Look up the definition of religion.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438136349
48744178,48757387,2015-07-29 02:19:45,"I'm glad that atheists are allowed to determine what they believe freely, so that they can then make autistic manifestos like a bunch of psychos to determine what other people believe. That sounds right to me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136385
48744178,48757446,2015-07-29 02:21:52,">>48757366
>Think of the effects religion has on society then ask yourself that question again.
I often wonder if their religion is the only thing keeping some theists from being total sociopaths. I could see an argument against islam, though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136512
48744178,48757465,2015-07-29 02:22:26,">>48757226
Most atheists I know will only talk about it if it's brought up. One time I was out with my friends when some guy was handing out free bibles on campus, and they just politely said ""no thank you"" when they were offered. 
I only know two ""fedora tipper"" types, one got extremely butthurt because someone played a christmas song on a piano and couldn't help but get worked up into a loudmouthed rant about how he can't discern between carols and hymns because of that evil church his parents forced him to attend. 
The other came in a pair- much like the Hitchens brothers. One deeply religious, the other absolutely despising religion. 
What's worse is that these two are otherwise nice people to be around, they just get really loudmouthed and annoying if someone brings up anything related to the g-word.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136546
48744178,48757468,2015-07-29 02:22:35,">>48744178
disgusting heretic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136555
48744178,48757537,2015-07-29 02:24:57,"When I used to go to school, there was a religion elective where people could study the Koran, Bible and such.
If only there were more Christians like you, unfortunately many creationists want religion and politics to go hand-in-hand. Thank you for providing your opinion, though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136697
48744178,48757540,2015-07-29 02:25:02,">>48757226
no there isn't and i respect you for not mocking our religion, unlike SOME people",,Anonymous,derp.jpg,FrEB2u2D3p1JktD/IWGjjQ==,US,,1438136702
48744178,48757548,2015-07-29 02:25:25,">>48757537
whoops. meant to reply to >>48757282",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136725
48744178,48757565,2015-07-29 02:25:56,">>48757446
Based on what some of them say, they get their morality from whatever holy book they read.
In other words, without that they would have no morals and be evil.
I don't need a religion to help an old lady cross the street.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438136756
48744178,48757610,2015-07-29 02:27:17,">>48757565
Which is why I was asking: Why take their religion away if it keeps them as decent people?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136837
48744178,48757620,2015-07-29 02:27:37,">>48757387
sure thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136857
48744178,48757632,2015-07-29 02:27:59,">>48749503
yup he does",,Anonymous,Unknown.jpg,SxpEk4Y4BTMOVdWmRH4vig==,US,,1438136879
48744178,48757656,2015-07-29 02:29:12,">>48757610
They can be decent without religion. They just might not know it yet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136952
48744178,48757674,2015-07-29 02:29:46,">>48757565
>>48757610
Morality comes from the society you live in and your own empathy. It's pretty subjective, which is why creationists pick and choose parts from the bible that they don't like.
For example, A bible variant was recently made that took everything about homosexuality out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438136986
48744178,48757744,2015-07-29 02:31:47,">>48757610
Religion gives you a perfect answer to everything.
They won't doubt anything if their ""god"" says so.
Do you want people who believe in sky daddies and magic to lead countries?
I'd prefer someone who faces reality.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438137107
48744178,48757747,2015-07-29 02:31:58,">>48757537
Any time, and yes I've always had an open mind. I was born into a Christian family and yes for my early years I was simply raised Christian. But my parents always taught me and my brother to think for ourselves. So from.. I'd say about 13? I was Christian because I believed it. I stopped going 'soul winning' because I didn't feel that was the right way to get the message out to people. Sure there were many that were looking for someone to approach them about it, no joke. But there were far too many who would simply get angry. So I figured I would happily tell anyone who wanted to know more, but not be offensive with how I carried my own way of thinking.
Heck, even the bible tells us to ""live peaceably with all men"". Like how the eff are we supposed to do that if all we do is make people mad at us??",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137118
48744178,48757769,2015-07-29 02:32:46,">>48757282
>Just like I would not want there to be mandatory bible classes, is it wrong for them to be elective classes?
If my tax dollars are paying for people to teach some religion as true, then yes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137166
48744178,48757773,2015-07-29 02:32:52,">>48757632
confirmed for not knowing anything about religion or science
that ""for no reason whatsoever"" made me laugh.
the universe rearranged itself because of gravity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNXKqeUtJM",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137172
48744178,48757807,2015-07-29 02:34:23,">>48757340
Born and raised lutheran, grandpa's southern (Black) baptist. I dunno what denomination I am now though, been reading a lot of catholic stuff lately, particularly Aquinas and Augustine.
I haven't actually read Nietzsche yet.
But I think irreligious cultures are too weak to defend themselves, ala ""Sweden Yes."" Though most irreligious cultures are based in Christian morals/values, and this gives them a tolerance for pluralism, which allows more invasive religions(particularly islam) to grow and subvert the culture. The same way many native americans were ""too tolerant"" of their european invaders.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137263
48744178,48757873,2015-07-29 02:37:11,">>48757769
Your tax dollars pay for lots of things, many of which are easily more troublesome than learning from yet another historical book. And notice I never said how it would be taught. You can learn about ways of thinking without thinking the same way. 
Isn't that an idea you would like Christians to hold about atheism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137431
48744178,48757901,2015-07-29 02:38:27,">>48757807
I wrote a massive pastebin on Nietzsche. Might actually be too wordy and badly structured.
Nietzche's philosophy is based on power. Power is good, weakness is bad, acquiring power or using it to overcome a difficult task is the source of happiness.
He was extremely anti-Christian and Jewish because he believed they promoted weakness, the tolerance for instance you talked about. He accuses the religion of being the source of the modern spread of 'weak ideology'
His idea of strong, healthy ideology was stuff like the Greeks and Romans.
Much of his writings read like a criticism of modern Liberalism/Marxism which really helps confirm his assertions.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438137507
48744178,48757904,2015-07-29 02:38:30,">>48757773
witch didn't exist until this mystery bang was set off because ""WHY THE FUCK NOT""",,Anonymous,animederp.jpg,GNLD/A0wo6NZicJwTkhGtw==,US,,1438137510
48744178,48757971,2015-07-29 02:41:22,">>48757773
But his argument would still stand with 'and gravity happened for no reason'
Not saying his argument is a sound one, but even you must admit there is still too much unknown about how everything started to be certain of how it did. Though I must agree there is enough evidence to rule out many origins. The origins you chose to refute are totally up to your own interpretation of the evidence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137682
48744178,48757986,2015-07-29 02:42:00,">>48755031
because believing god dosnt exist because muh lady is so much better",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438137720
48744178,48758042,2015-07-29 02:44:16,">>48757287
Are you not gonna add it? If it's a community resource where contributions are welcome, then it should include all the knowledge we have on different subjects. Maybe you should make a section for a different moral philosophies and add it as one.",,Anonymous,uncolored_sword.jpg,2hWOK1cgsj3hlWlfr7U9+g==,US,,1438137856
48744178,48758141,2015-07-29 02:48:05,">>48757904
the event happened over 13 billion years ago, and it's very hard to tell why it happened, as our telescopes are not powerful enough to see that far back in time[1]. We still hardly know anything about the quantum physics of our universe. we don't know what dark matter is, we don't know how mass ties in with gravity, we don't know why the universe is exponentially expanding, etc.
I'm not afraid to say that I don't know. But saying that I don't know is better than saying nothing at all.
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMpC4tWhJZA",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438138085
48744178,48758165,2015-07-29 02:48:53,"well it's 1am, I better go to sleep.
>>48757901
Tolerance is a part of Christianity, which is probably the real ""religion of peace."" But Christians shouldn't be pacifist. The conquests of Israel in the old testament are still relevant and endorsed by the religion. People take the phrase ""turn the other cheek"" incorrectly, when it doesn't mean ""roll over and let yourself be violated."" Defending yourself, your family, your home, your society/culture, are all important.
I'm curious how he thought Judaism promoted weakness, considering they're probably the most resilient race the world has ever seen.
But I will certainly take some time and read Nietzsche. Do you recommend any particular book of his to start with?
>>48757904
pls anon stop trolling
The big bang theory was proposed by a catholic priest, and atheists were freaking the fuck out about it when it got confirmed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438138133
48744178,48758266,2015-07-29 02:52:30,">>48758165
It's far from being confirmed. new evidence has thrown the entire theory upside down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIc7sxlz3M",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438138350
48744178,48758272,2015-07-29 02:52:36,">>48744178
Who is this Semen Demon
Jizz Genie
Baby Batter Bringer
Cum Caresser
Lovegoo Lass
Sperm Summoner
Ejaculate Empress
Mayonnaise Maiden
Jizz Jockey
Spunk Monk
Sperm Worm
Sodomy Sentinel
Penile Perpetrator
Erection Confection
Salami Tsunami
Boner Condoner
Fluid Druid
Urethral Umpire
Wang Wizard
Knackers Knight
Prick Pirate
Dong Dominator
Cock Khan
Stiffy Sultan
Sausage Sergeant
Middle Leg Major
Pole Privateer
Shaft Specialist
Pecker Prodigy
Boner Benefactor
Baloney Poney Behemoth
Dick Juice Masseuse
Tallywhacker Smacker
Man Muscle Steam Shovel
Baby Batter Bladder
Willy Ghillie
Butt Hut
Glans Fans
Spooge Scrooge
Ejaculate Advocate
Skeet Treat
Wang Wrangler
Jism Prism
Smegma Savant
Anal Aficionado
Testicular Temptress
Spunk Trunk
Nut Slut
Cum Chum
Testicle Vestibule
Dick Duchess
Cock Sock
Testicle Tamer
Cock Clairvoyant
Scrotum Totem?",,Anonymous,miruki-ho-muzu103.jpg,P8Bm4oGDqH4zE0nB6+1nDQ==,GB,,1438138356
48744178,48758547,2015-07-29 03:00:55,">>48758272
>Who is this Semen Demon
that would be fedora-chan",,Anonymous,1421015101560.jpg,JZezCErlBjcUyuH2pJ89gA==,US,,1438138855
48744178,48758820,2015-07-29 03:10:33,">>48758165
>I'm curious how he thought Judaism promoted weakness
After the Jews were defeat by the Babylonians they went from polytheism to monotheism. They declared that the war God Yawhei was their only God, their lack of faith in him, and faith in the other Gods angered him and he allowed their enemies too win. Everything about their life became a punishment. It was the only way to explain why their Gods were still true, the only way to preserve their culture.
This view of all life as a 'punishment' as a negative view from out of which their horrible attitude and weakness flowed.
>they're probably the most resilient race the world has ever seen
He praised this about them. He also believed their degenerate religion as the only way they could survive. He actually like polytheistic Judaism. Nietzsche considered monotheism a sign of degeneracy.
>>48758042
Yeah I'm gonna do one for just about all of them. I actually think I formatted Nietzsche's one terribly. I wrote it to be read, not to be copy-pasted.
I'm kind of hesitant to post the Secular Human one because I think it's written horribly. I do not know what Secular Humanism is and after reading it I did not have a clear understanding.
Let's take this
""By happiness I do not mean mere momentary pleasure or joy, but an abiding contentment, a persistent, underlying sense of reverie that makes life itself worth living, in the absence of which life becomes shallow, unsatisfying, and ultimately meaningless.""
When I read this I think 'ok why don't you just shoot yourself up with drugs, if you are high 24/7 it is persistent and you will get a sense of reverie' 
I really don't understand the thought process at all. Would other people?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438139433
48744178,48758900,2015-07-29 03:12:59,">>48758820
>When I read this I think 'ok why don't you just shoot yourself up with drugs, if you are high 24/7 it is persistent and you will get a sense of reverie'
That goes against the first part of the sentence:
>I do not mean mere momentary pleasure or joy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438139579
48744178,48759055,2015-07-29 03:18:30,">>48758900
>if you are high 24/7
Its not momentary.
Look I am not trying to criticize the belief system but I really don't think it helps me understand it. It favors anything that gives the individual long-term happiness? Also maybe I misread it but it doesn't seem to have any 'no'. Is sadness the 'no'?
Look if the rest of the community OK's it it will go up there even if I don't understand it though.
http://pastebin.com/iHgxi5Hz",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438139910
48744178,48759197,2015-07-29 03:23:23,">>48759055
If being high 24/7 is the highest life satisfaction you think you can achieve in your life, then I guess you would. But I think that anyone that seriously thinks about it for a moment won't come to that conclusion. How could anyone want to become a 24/7 junkie?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438140203
48744178,48759454,2015-07-29 03:33:17,">>48759197
Ok. Sorry this took so long. It's up.
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
I'll write up a description.
If you want to expand it I think a brief history of the movement and a list of literature would be good.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438140797
48744178,48759599,2015-07-29 03:38:44,">>48759454
Yeah, I'll add that later.
Also, to add on to this, it is a very broad kind of morality. I feel like people make their choices based on what they want, what will satisfy them rather than dissatisfy them. That's why I come to this conclusion. Honestly, it can be applied to anyone for any kind of morality I feel like. For no one with reasonable knowledge about all the possible actions will pick the action they don't want the consequences of.
So I guess it can be said to be a kind of consequentialism, applied in the most reasonable way I know",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438141124
48744178,48759637,2015-07-29 03:40:45,">>48759599
add to top or bottom?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438141245
48744178,48759962,2015-07-29 03:52:41,">>48759637
Add what? I was just talking to you :p",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438141961
48800048,48800048,2015-07-29 21:24:33,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions (only one for now)
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_chan_point.png,MvurxBj6fhkdqu1/OV1HgA==,US,,1438205073
48800048,48800082,2015-07-29 21:25:25,">>48800048
What do you guys think of Avatar?",,Anonymous,earth11-20.jpg,65yj5lTt0/h/dc/+9UYa1A==,US,,1438205125
48800048,48800233,2015-07-29 21:28:56,">>48800082
> Avatar
you mean Dances with Wolves in space?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438205336
48800048,48800241,2015-07-29 21:29:04,">>48800048
OuterLimits, we should use this version of fedora-chan rather than the one on Imgur http://i.imgur.com/FNEJRxm.png
No one wants to be associated with bronies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438205344
48800048,48800627,2015-07-29 21:37:53,">>48800048
>He got rid of the pony on the shirt
It's a start. Still a stereotype though with the fedora and everything else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438205873
48800048,48800759,2015-07-29 21:40:44,">>48800627
Yeah, but the irony of atheists posting fedoras breaks godfags' minds.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438206044
48800048,48801684,2015-07-29 22:02:25,>>48800082,,Anonymous,toph.jpg,6lo9/MGom5c0XO6qxnqHVw==,US,,1438207345
48800048,48801823,2015-07-29 22:06:04,">>48800048
Atheism+ killed Atheism. Also how do we fight secular religion?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438207564
48800048,48801858,2015-07-29 22:06:47,,,Anonymous,11390234_867824463299583_1546466258687621457_n.jpg,lZeSVjwppW22R6j1AO7naA==,MX,,1438207607
48800048,48801971,2015-07-29 22:09:51,"Agnostic master race prove me wrong faggots.
>inb4 le indecisive cuck
I choose to believe that God may or may not be real based on the fact that I don't have evidence that he isn't there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438207791
48800048,48802037,2015-07-29 22:11:15,">>48801858
Heh, adorable. I like her bowler's hat.
>>48801823
>Atheism+ killed Atheism.
That's still a thing?
> Also how do we fight secular religion?
The same way you fight any idea, with better ideas.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438207875
48800048,48802094,2015-07-29 22:12:32,">>48801971
I want to believe God exists, yet I have no proof. At the same time, I see that both secular and religious culture is corrupt. I get gut feelings that God is real, and I think he is the only hope left for humanity. What am I?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438207952
48800048,48802105,2015-07-29 22:12:48,">>48801971
>I choose to believe that God may or may not be real based on the fact that I don't have evidence that he isn't there.
Fair enough. But which is more plausible: He exists, or he doesn't?
If you think they are equally plausible you should state why.
I'd also like to ask if you feel the same way about other such things we can't prove don't exist: Like faeries, wizards, and unicorns.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438207968
48800048,48802232,2015-07-29 22:16:08,">>48802037
Pretty sure atheism has been co-opted by feminism already.
But how do you deploy your better idea? You can't even have a discussion, cause that's racist, misogynistic and whatever ""-ist"" you can pull out of your ass.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438208168
48800048,48802309,2015-07-29 22:18:13,">>48802232
I disagree. Feminists on their own blogs, Tumblr, Reddit and the like absolutely despise atheism - in my observations. They use the fedora meme endlessly, in a negative way. The myth that feminists are atheists just doesn't seem to die. I've personally talked with quite a few that were religious and despises atheists and the very concept of atheism to it's core. I wonder how you will respond to this.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438208293
48800048,48802311,2015-07-29 22:18:16,">>48802105
I don't believe both are equally as plausible, but there is a chance that every God of each religion exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438208296
48800048,48802402,2015-07-29 22:20:59,">>48800048
secular humanism is no better than nihilism lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438208459
48800048,48802620,2015-07-29 22:26:22,">>48802309
I thought feminist hated religion on the count of ""misogyny"", marriage being an institution where you ""oppress"" women from being sluts. That or there is a huge double standard, cause with the same token Islam gets a free pass.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438208782
48800048,48802626,2015-07-29 22:26:35,">>48802309
The smartest, most annoying feminists are usually atheists, if they're young.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438208795
48800048,48802655,2015-07-29 22:27:28,">>48802402
Did you read it?
>>48802311
Does it outweigh the chance they are all wrong?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438208848
48800048,48802783,2015-07-29 22:30:34,">>48802620
No. They are typical millennials, honestly. They will play up Jesus' social justice credentials, talk about how he was God in the flesh, how he constantly spoke against the patriarchy, etc. They take a very left-wing approach to it. They think of Christianity as - think of liberation theology, mixed with Marxism, mixed with revionism. That sums it up, in my opinion.
>>48802626
>Smartest
Not sure about that. Like I said, plenty of feminists and feminist blogs go after atheists and atheism. Their arguments usually always circle back to emotion and gender issues, though. And I haven't received a reply from you on the other thing, I was being serious. I have no idea what to label myself.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438209034
48800048,48802849,2015-07-29 22:31:49,">>48802783
revisionism* I meant",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438209109
48800048,48803153,2015-07-29 22:38:34,">>48802783
From a class conflict perspective, feminist SJW view all things as a power struggle from the ""privileged"" and the have not. How do they justify a being that's in principle above them - god? Isn't god being terribly privileged?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438209514
48800048,48803378,2015-07-29 22:43:13,">>48802232
I see a great schism between the two",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438209793
48800048,48803747,2015-07-29 22:52:01,">>48800048
Are you faggots ready for Hell?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438210321
48800048,48803776,2015-07-29 22:52:37,">>48802094
>I get gut feelings that God is real
Everyone wants a perfect answer like God to exists.
Instead of answer, its more of an excuse. It takes away a lot of your worries.
People don't wanna face reality so they turn to religion.
Humanity hasn't lost hope. There are still people who look at the facts; atheists.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438210357
48800048,48803818,2015-07-29 22:53:44,">>48800048
Rev.17
[1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
[2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
[8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
[9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210424
48800048,48803836,2015-07-29 22:54:06,"[12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
[13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
[15] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
[18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210446
48800048,48803876,2015-07-29 22:54:47,"ev.18
[1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
[6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
[7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
[8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
[9] And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210487
48800048,48803896,2015-07-29 22:55:20,"[10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
[11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
[12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
[13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
[14] And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
[17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
[18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
[19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
[20] Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210520
48800048,48803931,2015-07-29 22:56:20,">>48803896
>>48803876
>>48803836
>>48803818
Keep going, this is my favorite bedtime story.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210580
48800048,48803960,2015-07-29 22:57:11,">>48803931
You'll love this bed time story even better >>48802128",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210631
48800048,48804050,2015-07-29 22:59:30,">>48803960
isn't that because autists are less social, and religion is a social construct?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438210770
48800048,48804060,2015-07-29 22:59:41,">>48802311
Atheism doesnt discuss the presence of gods.
Its simply to doesnt care , do your live like they didnt exist until someone prove evidence of it.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438210781
48800048,48804141,2015-07-29 23:01:46,">>48800048
>tfw you realize he was a pioneer atheist",,Anonymous,rocky.jpg,HxZ1PQDSPhzhp+wdJ6eDqA==,AR,,1438210906
48800048,48804302,2015-07-29 23:05:27,"*****UPDATE:
 http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
July 29 2015
*Added a new section to the basics on why atheists can have meaning/morality/
*Religious Profiles and Discussing Religion were terribly written. I have taken them while I edit them. I promise they will be back up soon and better than ever.
*3 new reasons why we have these threads/push atheism was added to the basics
*A new section about hatable atheists was been added to the basics
*New section was added to talk specifically about incorrect ideas in atheism. This is highly experimental and may be deleted. Christians, you can contribute too!!
>>48800241
I do not make the generals, but yeah I think it's better. Although it's important that we be able to laugh at ourself too. I'll add this version to our image set
>>48802037
Our battle is against superstition. Secular religions have no divine authority, if they have bad ideas you can challenge them on rational basis. They are not an enemy of atheism. There is nothing wrong with Buddah's teachings, I don't like them but many might like them.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438211127
48800048,48804371,2015-07-29 23:06:47,"[1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
[6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
[7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
[8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
[9] And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
[10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438211207
48800048,48804463,2015-07-29 23:08:49,"[11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
[12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
[13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
[14] And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
[17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
[18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
[19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
[20] Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
What you stand for is not secularism it's to be able to be drunk with the whores wine of fornication.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438211329
48800048,48804538,2015-07-29 23:10:39,"My religion is irrelevant to anyone unbiased, you are not for tolerance you're for degenerate domination.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438211439
48800048,48804558,2015-07-29 23:11:02,">>48804463
You realize the guy who wrote that was using hallucinogenic mushrooms right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438211462
48800048,48804560,2015-07-29 23:11:08,">>48803960
This really isn't surprising. Atheism is going to be linked to something.
You are born autistic but you are not born atheist or theist.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438211468
48800048,48804658,2015-07-29 23:13:33,"I want nothing but to be treated equally as you treat your supposed TRUE morals of degeneracy, decadence and abominations, if I have equality of treatment, I know my beliefs are truth of God and will prevail.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438211613
48800048,48804809,2015-07-29 23:17:05,">>48803153
They would just cover that by saying God is a woman or genderless. And since millennials feminists and the 'new generation' is being raised in a Christian resurgence culture, they'll come up with more ways to justify their feminism+religion as time goes on, I have no doubt.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438211825
48800048,48804867,2015-07-29 23:18:18,Babylon has fallen and so will the repeat of her filth.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438211898
48800048,48805009,2015-07-29 23:21:23,">>48803153
This is a very good question. This is part of the reason Christianity is not stable and eventually leads to atheism.
Christianity destroyed the beleifs of inequality the ancients had. Everyone is equal before God. King or shepard he treats them all equally. Contrast this with old Gods which gave special privilages to different castes, even the after-life wasn't 'equal'. Only the best Norse warriors would sit at Odin's table.
Christianity gave us the idea of equality.
But there is a problem. God is not equal to his creations. And so his own people turned on him. ""God is a tyrant"" the cry goes.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438212083
48800048,48805115,2015-07-29 23:23:41,">>48805009
Christianity has not fallen, for 2000 years we have won and still stand stronger than all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438212221
48800048,48805421,2015-07-29 23:30:41,">>48805115
It's been going down hill since the Reconnaissance. It's just happened so slowly you haven't realized it. People were a lot more pious in the past and God was a lot more powerful.
The scientists have been amputing God, everytime they find out something is done by a natural process God lost a bit of authority. Now the Christians are saying that all God was invent the natural processes, which basically makes them Deists.
The scientists have been fighting God on the physical world. Every new discovery is another nail in his coffin.
Nietzsche came along and killed God on a moral/philosophical level and after he died a ton of people continued his ideas.
He's already dead, it's just a matter of making a suitable grave and writing his eulogy.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438212641
48800048,48805559,2015-07-29 23:33:38,">>48805421
Christianity is dead because you say so?
There are more Christians in the world today than ever before and growing ever more.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438212818
48800048,48805628,2015-07-29 23:35:27,">>48800048
Please make good use of this image and add the following copypasta to the pastebin. 
Early Christianity was structurally and behaviorally an end of the world cult, and one of many messianic cults active at the time. Jesus was the cult leader, the 12 apostles were the original members. 
1. Claims world is ending imminently (1 John 2:18, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34)
2. Wants you to give away belongings and follow him ( Luke 14:33, Matthew 19:21, Luke 18:22)
3. Wants you to cut off family who interfere (Matt. 10:35-37, Luke 14:26, Matthew 19:29)
4. Unverifiable reward if you believe (Heaven, i.e. the carrot)
5. Unverifiable punishment if you disbelieve (Hell, i.e. the stick)
6. Sabotages the critical thinking faculties you might otherwise use to remove it (Proverbs 3:5, 2 Corinthians 5:7, Proverbs 14:12)
7. Targets children and the emotionally/financially vulnerable for recruitment (sunday schools, youth group, teacher led prayer, prison ministries, third world missions)
This is a very old routine people were pulling well before Jesus came along and which people still pull today (David Koresh, Wayne Bent, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, etc) Jesus was one of the few whose cult outlived his death.
The observant might notice that this sort of thing works very much like a chain letter, multilevel marketing or a botnet, but with humans instead of computers. All examples of information structured in such a way as to motivate patterns of behavior which reinforce, defend and spread it to as many hosts as possible for as long as possible.",,Anonymous,cultstructure.jpg,MTFCb/L/LUVXWLvpPpTy3g==,US,,1438212927
48800048,48805847,2015-07-29 23:40:26,Are you guys against degeneracy?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438213226
48800048,48805911,2015-07-29 23:41:44,">>48805847
How could they?
They have no bases and it all boils down to what they personally want.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213304
48800048,48805940,2015-07-29 23:42:12,">>48805847
give a definition of it. studying roman history has pretty much killed any idea I had about degeneracy destroying states",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213332
48800048,48805943,2015-07-29 23:42:13,">>48805559
>Christians
a.k.a people who say they ""believe in God"", never go to church, grew up in ""Christian"" households being told that they need to be good kids so they can go to heaven and see their loved ones again, never read the Bible and do whatever the fuck they want all while saying they are Christians.
Sure, there are Christians who go to church and have read the Bible but that's not my point.
My point is that real Christians are the minority.
Christianity is nothing more than a hugbox and people say they are Christian cause no one wants to be in the minority.
Christianity is dying. Thank fuck.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438213333
48800048,48806041,2015-07-29 23:44:09,">>48805559
There are more Christians because the population has been going up. And if you look at the growth rate of 1st world countries the total % of Christians is going down (if you add in Africa Christianity isn't going down though, but who cares about them?)
Atheism is fucking huge and is actually growing faster.
It doesn't matter if we 'don't have children'.
The Christians can have 10 children per family and they will just create 10 future atheists.
At the current wait things are going for Britain for instance in 50 years Christianity will be be existinct in 50-60 years...http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9555222/2067-the-end-of-british-christianity/
America is going a little slower but we are getting there.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438213449
48800048,48806093,2015-07-29 23:45:14,">>48805628
ty very much
I'm trying to turn our old religious profile bin into a big collection of copypastas that act as silver bullets.
This is definitely relevant.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438213514
48800048,48806107,2015-07-29 23:45:35,">>48805940
I guess degeneracy would be anything that degrades the social-fabric of a society.
Equality, universal-democracy, death of marriage, no-fault divorce, etc.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438213535
48800048,48806124,2015-07-29 23:45:57,">>48806041
You are getting what and for what purpose? 
Why do you want the death of Christianity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213557
48800048,48806151,2015-07-29 23:46:27,">>48806041
Why would your personal morals trump anothers morals without Christianity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213587
48800048,48806226,2015-07-29 23:48:02,"Why are you specifically targeting Christians and not seeking to destroy Muslims?
I forgot they would not give you the option to plot their destruction, they would kill you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213682
48800048,48806236,2015-07-29 23:48:15,>>48806093,,Anonymous,jesusspeech.jpg,J3d7iKWzUdiF3QltztjXoA==,US,,1438213695
48800048,48806244,2015-07-29 23:48:31,,,Anonymous,question.png,p5biK0Pqu9umIlIxwf9JyA==,US,,1438213711
48800048,48806275,2015-07-29 23:49:11,">>48806226
""Focus on our enemies instead, that benefits us"" 
No. You take care of Muslims then we take care of you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213751
48800048,48806309,2015-07-29 23:50:11,*tips fedora*,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438213811
48800048,48806313,2015-07-29 23:50:15,">>48806275
The only reason you are able to attack us is because we allow you freedom and yet you still seek us harm. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y",,Anonymous,christian.jpg,9+NrX1VbEwRlZqON1us1Bg==,US,,1438213815
48800048,48806476,2015-07-29 23:53:34,">>48805628
I don't get the image. So it started out as a cult, but it no longer is. They have elected leaders now.
How is Jesus and the second-in-command relevant today if they are all dead? Kinda breaks the whole ""pyramid scheme"" analogy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438214014
48800048,48806488,2015-07-29 23:53:57,">>48806107
>48806107
How does something degrade the social-fabric? How do you quantify that? And how do you measure that against the value of personal liberty?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438214037
48800048,48806751,2015-07-29 23:59:37,"The Recommended Youtube Video: Godless in America - The Madalyn Murray O'Hair story
doesn't have a working link on the pastebin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438214377
48800048,48806764,2015-07-29 23:59:53,">>48806226
I would actually like to work togeather with the Christians to defeat the Muslims. Muslims are the more immedient danger for both of us. Christians will always allow atheists to live, atheists will always allow Christians to live, Muslims want to make both our beliefs illegal.
If you have any plans to unite against them it would be great.
>>48806151
Technically no morality trumps another because all morality is relative. I will still push mine though, that's just what it means to have convictions
>>48806124
1. We believe that superstition, and by extension MOST religion, is inherently bad. It makes bad ideas go unchallenged: for example harmful morals or rituals like mutilating a babies penis.
2. By extension if we think it is bad it certainly shouldn't be part of politics. ""The Moon God demands all women wear hijabs, we must have Sharia law!""
3. Some religions have very harmful beliefs, it is necessary that these end.
4. Structured religion like Islam, Catholicism, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witness centralize power in a small priesthood which have had terrible track records but continue to operate because they are God's chosen people.
5. Many of us became happier after we stopped worrying about hellfire and want to spread that happiness
I side with Nietzsche personally and think your religion promotes weakness. See our 'basics' paste for more.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438214393
48800048,48806815,2015-07-30 00:01:05,">>48806275
Even Nietzsche would approve of a Christian Atheist alliance.
>>48806751
ty working on it",,OuterLimits,friedrich-nietzsche-war-quotes-the-best-weapon-against-an-enemy-is.jpg,YZU30P4BJQDSthbaEc+WoQ==,US,,1438214465
48800048,48806853,2015-07-30 00:01:42,">>48806764
Why would a murderers morals not be on even ground with your anti murderer moral.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438214502
48800048,48806904,2015-07-30 00:02:59,">>48806313
I do not mean to attack, but to liberate you. Even if it does not appear that way from where you are now. See: >>48805628
We are both well intentioned and only trying to help the other. It helps to have mutual recognition of that fact.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438214579
48800048,48806961,2015-07-30 00:04:15,">>48806476
for the moder time just replace jesus with the pope and the second-in-command with cardinals",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438214655
48800048,48807066,2015-07-30 00:06:59,">>48806961
But then it kinda breaks down. The Pope isn't the charismatic founder, he's just the head of the church. He's an elected official. Anyone can work their way up the hierarchy, it doesn't have to do with who was chosen first.
And beyond this, half of Christians aren't catholics and don't care about the pope.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438214819
48800048,48807234,2015-07-30 00:10:43,">>48806853
Moral relatvism means that there is no 'correct' moral. There is only my moral and your moral, my world view and yours.
But if you are running my society my morality says you should be stopped at all costs.
Our moraltiy does not come from God but from making choices we think will help us best. This means working together a lot more than you would think.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438215043
48800048,48807281,2015-07-30 00:12:07,http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1557098,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215127
48800048,48807439,2015-07-30 00:15:43,"Realistically what could we do with the Christians against Islam?
There isn't a big Islamic presence on 4chan, when someone does make a post praising it they get shut down.
Any joint effort would take place on another website, like shit posting up Reddit.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438215343
48800048,48807464,2015-07-30 00:16:16,">>48807234
If Murderers outnumber you, are you immoral for being an anti murderer? 
How can anyone possibly claim a moral ground when their sole bases for morality are themselves their wants and numerical superiority?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215376
48800048,48807546,2015-07-30 00:18:04,"Being a moral relatavist is saying murder is equal to salvation, theft equal to charity, greed equal to humbleness etc.. how could anyone want that system?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215484
48800048,48807653,2015-07-30 00:20:37,"Being a moral relativist is simply fracturing and weakening of the dominate self proclaimed true morals of society which allows others who have no beliefs of relativity but their beliefs as true to dominate. 
tldr, western moral relativity is simply anti Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215637
48800048,48807692,2015-07-30 00:21:18,">>48807066
> half of Christians aren't catholics and don't care about the pope.
East–West Schism was years later and beyond dat the ortodox have a pope to (Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus')
but back to the pope, the catholics believe that the pope is the maninsfestation of god (even if he is elected) just like jesus affirm in hes travels that he was the maninsfestation of god and his son",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438215678
48800048,48807702,2015-07-30 00:21:29,">>48807546
>Being a moral relatavist is saying murder is equal to salvation, theft equal to charity, greed equal to humbleness etc.. how could anyone want that system?
Lol no, it's just recognizing that some people have different morals than you (i.e. not being a dumb fuck)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215689
48800048,48807727,2015-07-30 00:22:05,">>48807702
Murderers and thieves just have different morals to you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215725
48800048,48807735,2015-07-30 00:22:16,">>48807546
Do you approve of capital punishment? 
Will all veterans burn in hell?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438215736
48800048,48807768,2015-07-30 00:22:56,">>48807727
Yes, they are despicable. I disagree with their morals fundamentally, and I wish for police to stop them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215776
48800048,48807825,2015-07-30 00:24:08,">>48807464
Ok each person on the planet has their own definition of good and evil. They will call me evil. I will call them evil.
Power is not based on numerical superiority. You should fucking know this. That's what the movie 300 is about. A riot squad of 20 can beat 200 #blacklives matter protestors.
In the real world we fight for our morality, even if it is just something we made up. We have police, armies, judicial systems. And we try to get other's to beleive the same thing we do. Because they are our convictions and some things really are worth dying for.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438215848
48800048,48807826,2015-07-30 00:24:09,">>48807768
despicable why? 
they just have different morals than you, why shouldn't the police capture you for not being a murderer?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215849
48800048,48807885,2015-07-30 00:25:35,">>48807825
How can you claim to be a moral relativist when you want to eliminate all other morals that you don't like?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215935
48800048,48807897,2015-07-30 00:26:03,">>48807826
>despicable why?
>they just have different morals than you
Because I disagree with those morals.
>why shouldn't the police capture you for not being a murderer?
Because the police should have my morals",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215963
48800048,48807899,2015-07-30 00:26:06,">>48806961
Protestants? Are you guys really this stupid?
>>48805628
You tried. And failed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215966
48800048,48807916,2015-07-30 00:26:29,">>48807692
 >the catholics believe that the pope is the maninsfestation of god
No they do not. They believe he is the head of the church on earth. while he is can be infallible on issues of faith and morals, the bishops as a whole also have this power. The pope can be wrong, be a heretic and even go to hell",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215989
48800048,48807924,2015-07-30 00:26:34,">>48807825
You don't believe in relativity you believe your personal morals are truth, you believe you are God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438215994
48800048,48807930,2015-07-30 00:26:44,">>48806244
The word of god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216004
48800048,48807945,2015-07-30 00:27:02,">>48807897
Police should have your morals why?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216022
48800048,48807954,2015-07-30 00:27:12,">>48806476
Can cults become true over time?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216032
48800048,48807970,2015-07-30 00:27:37,">>48807930
That's also what Muslims claim about the Qur'an",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216057
48800048,48808014,2015-07-30 00:29:45,">>48807885
Moral relavtism only means I acknowledge that we all make our own morals. The person ruining my culture has his own good and evil. He truely beleives he is right.
That's all I acknowledge. 
My morality, and the morality of like minded people says he is 'evil' and should be stopped.
If a guy breaks into my house and says he wants to rape my daughter I shoot his head off. That's my 'good'. His 'good' was trying to rape my daughter.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438216185
48800048,48808022,2015-07-30 00:30:29,">>48807945
They're my morals, I think they're right, and I think everyone should have them. Why would I hold morals if I didn't find them normative?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216229
48800048,48808037,2015-07-30 00:31:12,">>48807970
And they don't believe in relativity they believe in their morals as truth and are very strong, how exactly is relativity better for beliefs than religion?
unless you yourself are simply a pariah and have different morals than Christians. 
>>48808014
The rapist is your moral equal.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216272
48800048,48808059,2015-07-30 00:32:20,">>48808022
You don't believe in equality of relativity you believe you in personally having true beliefs?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216340
48800048,48808072,2015-07-30 00:32:40,">>48808037
>The rapist is your moral equal.
We are all morally equal because we all make our own morality.
The only difference is that in my situation the rapist is dead so it doesn't fucking matter.
That's why I own a gun incase I need to kill someone 'morally equal' to me.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438216360
48800048,48808096,2015-07-30 00:33:16,">>48808059
Could you repeat the question?",,Anonymous,mufasa.jpg,JRJGw7AIfmt+SqVfYikgAg==,US,,1438216396
48800048,48808104,2015-07-30 00:33:30,">>48800048
Hi, I have a question.
How do you account for the myriad of scientists that have made the most important contributions to civilizations being not only religious, but openly Christian?",,Anonymous,christ chan little.jpg,oKYYofHZaXsbCZzkVZNDHQ==,US,,1438216410
48800048,48808123,2015-07-30 00:34:03,">>48808096
You don't believe all morals are equal, you believe your morals are true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216443
48800048,48808187,2015-07-30 00:35:41,">>48808104
For a long time God and religion were the best answers to questions we had. Even the most learned accepted that. A lot has changed fairly recently though, science has uncovered the answers to so many questions about our universe that even the most intelligent of men didn't know in the past.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216541
48800048,48808203,2015-07-30 00:35:58,">>48807899
Indeed, I can lead you to water but not make you drink.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216558
48800048,48808205,2015-07-30 00:36:00,">>48808123
Yes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216560
48800048,48808246,2015-07-30 00:37:18,">>48808205
How can you believe in relativity if you personally know yours are true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216638
48800048,48808252,2015-07-30 00:37:27,">>48808104
They lived and died centuries ago. Your list includes at most one or two people who were alive post WW2. 
This is because of the sharp dropoff of Christians in science following the publication of On the Origin of Species and other works demonstrating a natural explanation of origins.",,Anonymous,consider.gif,KSXC+FQfFSgYC7WMCAAdKQ==,US,,1438216647
48800048,48808348,2015-07-30 00:40:16,">>48808246
I acknowledge that some people don't believe in evolution, and likewise that some people don't share my morals.
If this makes me any sort of relativist then a non-relativist is simply someone ignorant of the world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438216816
48800048,48808366,2015-07-30 00:40:51,">>48808104
A beleif in God does not mean that he can't fucking solve math equations on a chalk board or look through a microscope.
The Greeks believed in Zeus and discovered many things.
All a scientist needs is determination and the right tools",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438216851
48800048,48808414,2015-07-30 00:42:11,">>48808366
>>48808252
>>48808187
This should be combined and put in the pastebin, seems like a commonly brought up point",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_chibi.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1438216931
48800048,48808473,2015-07-30 00:43:52,">>48808366
Why in the 10s of thousands of years of history only Christianity has produced this? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y
Many of people in your camp believe in culture/morals being the sole reason for scientific advancement so why do you not believe Christianity the dominant culture and belief system in Europe that produced this society not be attributed to solely Christianity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217032
48800048,48808512,2015-07-30 00:44:49,">>48808348
You know yours are true how could you acknowledge others false morals?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217089
48800048,48808557,2015-07-30 00:46:14,">>48808512
>if you acknowledge X is true
>how can you acknowledge (not X) is false
Gee, I wonder",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217174
48800048,48808616,2015-07-30 00:48:16,">>48808557
I as a Christian know my beliefs are true and acknowledge yours as false, how is this any different other than you yourself being God and scripture.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217296
48800048,48808709,2015-07-30 00:52:18,">>48808616
I base my morals off of what I know about the world, and not off of a fairytale written by iron age Jews in a desert. 
Just as I base my view of the origins of species on what I know about the world, and not Genesis.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217538
48800048,48808760,2015-07-30 00:53:58,">>48808709
How can you tell me my beliefs are wrong? 
How could you tell anyone else?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217638
48800048,48808822,2015-07-30 00:56:00,">>48808760
Humans on a whole are pretty good, not many people disagree with my morals. Probably for reasons to do with evolution, psychology, parenting, etc. 
But I still think they are right for logical reasons, no matter how we got them in the first place.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217760
48800048,48808875,2015-07-30 00:57:53,">>48808822
You mean my morals? 
That people use occasionally to hold some objectivity and then partake in immoral things according to these morals while at that moment saying I can't judge them because all morals are equal?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217873
48800048,48808928,2015-07-30 00:59:16,">>48808875
I can't parse that sentence, but you can read more about my views here http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438217956
48800048,48809002,2015-07-30 01:01:59,"atthew 22:37-40, ""Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Everything can be summed up in those two statements.
Lord the Lord your God -- do you put another God or anything before him, keep a Sabbath (the day of the week matters very little), do not keep idols, do not take his name in vain, pray to God for all things, worship Him, do not neglect going to church because it is important for growth
Love Others as yourself -- do not do anything that will cause your brother to stumble or sin, do not hate, do not steal, do not lie, do not become jealous of your neighbor's life, do not lust, do not commit adultery, do not fornicate, treat your body as it is a temple of the Holy Spirit, do not become drunk on alcohol, let your speech be that of thankfulness not course talking or vulgar language, bear the burdens of others, pray for one another about all things.
These morals that you have usurped.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438218119
48800048,48809086,2015-07-30 01:04:47,"if you hold the above morals and believe your beliefs are true, what reason do you have to not be a Christian?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438218287
48800048,48809111,2015-07-30 01:06:12,">>48808473
I've enjoyed some Christian art but I'm not going to fucking covert cuz you made a nice oil painting.
Do I have to convert to paganism because I listen to their music? This is a song that is anti-Christian and it's pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiUvcfSjHQs
(inb4 no good music has ever been made since the dark ages)
See image graph for a view about how good art was is made.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438218372
48800048,48809176,2015-07-30 01:08:38,">>48809002
>atthew 22:37-40, ""Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
>Everything can be summed up in those two statements.
>Lord the Lord your God -- do you put another God or anything before him, keep a Sabbath (the day of the week matters very little), do not keep idols, do not take his name in vain, pray to God for all things, worship Him, do not neglect going to church because it is important for growth
>Love Others as yourself -- do not do anything that will cause your brother to stumble or sin, do not hate, do not steal, do not lie, do not become jealous of your neighbor's life, do not lust, do not commit adultery, do not fornicate, treat your body as it is a temple of the Holy Spirit, do not become drunk on alcohol, let your speech be that of thankfulness not course talking or vulgar language, bear the burdens of others, pray for one another about all things.
>These morals that you have usurped.
Fuck off Christfag.",,Anonymous,Christfag.png,pKJ9lB5jLFzHNYuooZy2SQ==,US,,1438218518
48800048,48809180,2015-07-30 01:08:45,">>48809111
>>48808473
Fuck forgot image.
>>48809086
Because my morals are anti-Christian. I do not worship victims. That means no Jesus and no Travon Martin.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438218525
48800048,48809240,2015-07-30 01:10:24,">>48809180
You are a product of Christianity and are against us, do you hate yourself and your morals?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438218624
48800048,48809265,2015-07-30 01:11:24,">>48803776
>facts
>bible is wrong therefore god doesn't real",,Anonymous,1398399538630.gif,ovgb8W/Devp5wtSr9yZFCg==,US,,1438218684
48800048,48809316,2015-07-30 01:13:00,">>48809265
>bible is wrong
>because I am right I am the bible 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438218780
48800048,48809350,2015-07-30 01:14:04,">>48809240
>You are a product of Christianity and are against us, do you hate yourself and your morals?
Christianity is at the core of why the west bends over for its enemies now. Militant Christianity has existed, but it's only useful when it's combating foreigners, otherwise it cannibalizes the best of western society.",,Anonymous,Evolution.png,ZEG+PIiuLOc4ojo2Kj7w4Q==,US,,1438218844
48800048,48809364,2015-07-30 01:14:35,">>48809240
I am the product of a very long line of life forms that goes back to the very first one.
Culturally I am part of literally every culture that those life-forms come from, so that would include Christianity.
But we shed the bad parts of our culture. I am do not practice Mesopotamia culture, which is part of my heritage. It is not longer useful, just like God is no longer useful. The usful parts of Christianity will still survive. For instance we can put angels in video games or draw hentai of them.
The morals and superstitions are going to die. All of them. And you will help me.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438218875
48800048,48809399,2015-07-30 01:15:37,">>48800048
Literally a cult tbh.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438218937
48800048,48809414,2015-07-30 01:16:23,">>48809364
You can't even name a Mesopotamian culture.
 I can read you the culture you claim to be true yet false because you choose what you want replacing the origins of the true beliefs with yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438218983
48800048,48809448,2015-07-30 01:17:29,"CATHOLIC GENERAL
>>48808968
Your turn, /ag/.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1438219049
48800048,48809516,2015-07-30 01:20:18,">>48809350
We will never bend to the enemies, we must sell all we can and purchase a sword. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37Me_a4",,Anonymous,never capitulate.jpg,BR4Mxnl6JJyi3mGWApiyPw==,US,,1438219218
48800048,48809537,2015-07-30 01:21:15,Every Christian is a soldier of Christ.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438219275
48800048,48809582,2015-07-30 01:23:17,"We never surrender, you must kill us all.",,Anonymous,levi.png,gOUJDPXzQtMHHlQnJlnDQQ==,US,,1438219397
48800048,48809633,2015-07-30 01:24:55,">>48809537
>>48809582
>>48809516",,Anonymous,gods_army.jpg,pksjTD/44a+bw4NZabqAxA==,US,,1438219495
48800048,48809649,2015-07-30 01:26:00,">>48805421
>It's been going downhill since the Reconnaissance. 
>since the Reconnaissance
>Reconnaissance",,Anonymous,obtuse.jpg,VLKHFUqIPsf6/mAycExQqg==,US,,1438219560
48800048,48809760,2015-07-30 01:30:12,"So Pilate entered his headquarters again and called Jesus and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered, “Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?” Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you over to me. What have you done?” Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.” Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”
After he had said this, he went back outside to the Jews and told them, “I find no guilt in him. 
John 18:33-38",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438219812
48800048,48809767,2015-07-30 01:30:28,">>48808252
What list? Here's a list.",,Anonymous,religion is not holding anybody back.gif,B8ls+68gLnzhKorHQJHi/Q==,US,,1438219828
48800048,48809860,2015-07-30 01:33:36,">>48809767
>all but one of the people listed was born before 1930
Thanks for making his point",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438220016
48800048,48809866,2015-07-30 01:33:48,">>48809767
>implying they were really believing in god",,Anonymous,dgsfdgs.jpg,8k6qzfLDPCy+yjRYTZ0RMA==,MX,,1438220028
48800048,48809920,2015-07-30 01:35:42,">>48809866
Can you make an argument for that with sources?
>>48809860
Born, but many did their work afterwards.
Come now.",,Anonymous,christ chan puff pout.png,SrtiNWdboyOeT7kAslWXig==,US,,1438220142
48800048,48809928,2015-07-30 01:35:49,">>48809860
>>48809866
hmmm you're right. they're must not be any christians in the sciences today and the greatest scientific discoveries (all by christians) are invalidated because of it.",,Anonymous,boyle.jpg,2MHawXxolIEkBgAu77BreQ==,US,,1438220149
48800048,48809951,2015-07-30 01:36:27,,,Anonymous,faraday.jpg,W+8l7mEhfFmHszM3AQ4ADQ==,US,,1438220187
48800048,48809975,2015-07-30 01:37:21,">>48809767
>>48809767
The Catholic priest that discovered the big bang should have been excommunicated.
He's the fucking reason Christians are having a harder time justifying genesis. Did more damage to the Church than the Jihad.
Science is the absolute worst thing for God. Explaining the world by natural processes is what killed God. ""God started the natural process"" is a fucking Deist argument.
You can be a Christian scientist but you are only going to destroy your own religion. If Darwin was a devote Catholic would it really change the fact that we no are longer made in God's image?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438220241
48800048,48809996,2015-07-30 01:38:02,">>48809920
>>48809928
well the dudes of the past....were living under fundamentalist rule...if you were saying shit against god, you could get arrested or lynched",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438220282
48800048,48810014,2015-07-30 01:38:41,">>48809975
By all means, Attention-whore. By all means, do present sources.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438220321
48800048,48810018,2015-07-30 01:38:44,,,Anonymous,joule.jpg,ZCiWZ4gCY3As7JQ7CcyJsQ==,US,,1438220324
48800048,48810028,2015-07-30 01:39:05,">>48809866
Stop embarrassing us with your ignorance.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438220345
48800048,48810031,2015-07-30 01:39:12,,,Anonymous,tipsy.jpg,9VWyMnE/4BGTPAMrEdWXjA==,US,,1438220352
48800048,48810034,2015-07-30 01:39:21,">>48809920
Yeah. It's not like anyone would have burned them alive or anything if they said they didn't believe in god...",,Anonymous,1384730086375.jpg,6vzDK3LAPcBTk5hrt9P+1A==,GB,,1438220361
48800048,48810039,2015-07-30 01:39:32,">>48809996
Do provide sources of their blasphemy. Do so. Do so, and I will find myself able to agree with you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438220372
48800048,48810074,2015-07-30 01:40:45,">>48810034
Far be it from me to expect proof from a society which prides itself upon scientific fact.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438220445
48800048,48810134,2015-07-30 01:43:00,">>48810074
No problem buddy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_burned_as_heretics",,Anonymous,62049_1.jpg,EQV/MO/vKCTvbmzVdPgzAw==,GB,,1438220580
48800048,48810136,2015-07-30 01:43:03,">>48809928
>>48809951
>>48810018
Is this why you're a christian? Appeals to authority? Truly pathetic",,Anonymous,fedora_wife.jpg,3f7Ne5sO3kX//EoIhctmRw==,US,,1438220583
48800048,48810184,2015-07-30 01:44:59,">>48809996
keep tellin yourself that buddy",,Anonymous,kelvin.jpg,PR1JuVyJB7HsKNMtSYqvnw==,US,,1438220699
48800048,48810237,2015-07-30 01:47:05,,,Anonymous,God is a fool.jpg,Bqtit8vEoMmkMgp9+uvkzg==,US,,1438220825
48800048,48810239,2015-07-30 01:47:05,">>48810134
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_burned_as_heretics
Mostly christian reformers and other theists. Even going randomly, it is mostly christians of different flavors.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438220825
48800048,48810252,2015-07-30 01:47:32,"Is Atheism a lifestyle where you circlejerk on message boards in order to feel good about your own intellect, watch anime, and beat off to hentai?
Not saying the religious or arm chair magicians don't share in doing the same things.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438220852
48800048,48810262,2015-07-30 01:47:45,">>48810136
Does it bother you to find that all the wonders of science you had to learn in school were discovered by ignorant, simple-minded Christians?
I think it does
I like these images because it proves that science and Christianity both are after the same thing. truth.",,Anonymous,leeuwenhoek.jpg,e3LPY4zA1/DcKpumDDYy7Q==,US,,1438220865
48800048,48810297,2015-07-30 01:48:43,,,Anonymous,linnaeus.jpg,izRkPO/sucV/AAcALCilVA==,US,,1438220923
48800048,48810318,2015-07-30 01:49:26,">>48810239
I was asked to provide evidence heretics were burned alive and I provided it. I have made no other claims.",,Anonymous,760029144.jpg,0No+6rN+ZpCEeuAND30n6Q==,GB,,1438220966
48800048,48810374,2015-07-30 01:51:36,>why cant I hold all these intellectual giants?,,Anonymous,maxwell.jpg,PxJ5ZJJbww8Ay9ABSTtnjA==,US,,1438221096
48800048,48810390,2015-07-30 01:52:15,">>48810374
Your insecurity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221135
48800048,48810401,2015-07-30 01:52:43,">>48810262
Not remotely to be honest. It's completely irrelevant I am not sure what you think it is even supposed to prove.
Newton believed in Alchemy, Gallileo believed in Astrology.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438221163
48800048,48810417,2015-07-30 01:53:06,,,Anonymous,mendel.jpg,IcPsaF4eSZVFiqHG/dr0mg==,US,,1438221186
48800048,48810449,2015-07-30 01:54:12,">>48810262
>Does it bother you to find that all the wonders of science you had to learn in school were discovered by ignorant, simple-minded Christians?
This would only make sense, though I wouldn't denigrate these individuals for being Christian in their eras. Christianity was the dominant belief system during the time when many of those discoveries were made. Would one not expect that without a better explanation, people would reflect the values and cultural norms of their time? 
>I think it does
Some may, but there is no reason to be bothered. Many of these eminent individuals likely accepted Christianity as the best explanation for their time.
>I like these images because it proves that science and Christianity both are after the same thing. truth.
This doesn't logically follow whatsoever. Science is necessarily changing and all answers are tentative based on evidence. Most religions claim objective and mandated facts.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221252
48800048,48810450,2015-07-30 01:54:13,">>48810252
We seem to like anime a lot more than the Christians. I think it's because everyone wants a bit of fantasy in their lives. The Catholics have their saints and crusaders. We have anime.
We don't really circle jerk. The first 10 posts are so are talking amongst ourselves and than the Christians come in and the shit posting begins, of course that's what we want but it sucks we don't really have meta discussions.
Catholics have a lot more to talk about because of their history. They can literally go on for the entire thread about the correct way to eat their fucking breed and wine. In this they are a lot more respectable than the Christian general which basically doesn't do anything except copypaste bible verses about how much Jesus loves everyone.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438221253
48800048,48810472,2015-07-30 01:54:49,">>48800048
What is the point of Atheism as a movement? It seems totally pointless to me. 
Also, why are atheists so left wing if they supposedly believe in evolution, a theory that teaches survival of the fittest and is fundamentally incompatible with equality??",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221289
48800048,48810497,2015-07-30 01:55:46,">>48810472
Just because life evolved a certain way on earth doesn't mean we have to apply that method to our society, are you truly this stupid?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221346
48800048,48810571,2015-07-30 01:58:14,Atheism is by far the shittiest of the theological clubs.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221494
48800048,48810572,2015-07-30 01:58:14,"so far we have 
9 paradigm shifting discoveries made by Christian scientists
and 0 atheist contributions",,Anonymous,newton.jpg,g8dB+4S1+Vug83T/FoA14g==,US,,1438221494
48800048,48810670,2015-07-30 02:01:08,">>48810497
It kind of does though..... If it is true and we consciously choose to ignore it then there will eventually be negative consequences for the species.
If evolution is true then it stands to reason that liberalism will result in weak and inferior people breeding and eventually destroying humanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221668
48800048,48810674,2015-07-30 02:01:10,">>48809928
>>48809951
>>48810018
>>48810184
>>48810262
>>48810297
>>48810374
>>48810417
>>48810572
Big deal Christfag that was YESTERDAY
Let's talk about the greatest scientific minds of TODAY
Neil DeGrasse Tyson - Discovered Pluto
Richard Dawkins - Inventor of the Meme
Bill Nye - The Science Guy
Pic very related",,Anonymous,index.jpg,L2IxLDiT5AbxAAo5/goCvw==,US,,1438221670
48800048,48810678,2015-07-30 02:01:25,">>48810572
>there were many atheists in 1727
>saying you didn't believe in god wasn't illegal in England at the time
Ebic.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438221685
48800048,48810688,2015-07-30 02:01:34,">>48810449
>Some may, but there is no reason to be bothered. Many of these eminent individuals likely accepted Christianity as the best explanation for their time.
quite a leap in logic there, captain. isn't it questionable to assume something like that, when these images are full of quotes to the contrary? 
OP's pastebin says you base your convictions on what you know to be true, not what you want to be true
i'll let you think about that while i enjoy this nice glass of germ free milk, courtesy of mr. pasteur (pic related)",,Anonymous,pasteur.jpg,g720x3g4MmA6fhqKmEa7zw==,US,,1438221694
48800048,48810726,2015-07-30 02:02:41,">>48810472
>What is the point of Atheism as a movement? It seems totally pointless to me. 
Most atheist movements tend to be more concerned with secularism in society and separation of Church and State than any sort of deity itself. Generally, the areas that are most often debated factor in the public sphere. 
>Also, why are atheists so left wing if they supposedly believe in evolution, a theory that teaches survival of the fittest and is fundamentally incompatible with equality??
Do you believe that what happens in the natural environment must necessarily reflect how society functions? In other words, can one accept the evidence for evolutionary theory, while maintaining that society and human interaction should not follow those precepts?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438221761
48800048,48810798,2015-07-30 02:04:38,"oh hey look its a ""modern"" scientist
>muh darwin",,Anonymous,vonbraun.jpg,GTT+7pSpK/4Y1EFkQKS6og==,US,,1438221878
48800048,48810877,2015-07-30 02:06:40,">>48810670
Your post says more about how ignorant you are about evolution by natural selection than about what ideology society should adopt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438222000
48800048,48810892,2015-07-30 02:06:58,">>48810472
Evolution has nothing to do with politics or society unless you are a social Darwinist retard.
Not being religious isn't remotely linked to being left wing in the UK. It is in your country because the Republicans deliberately court the lunatic block evangelical vote leaving little room for the non-religious to follow what you consider to be ""right wing"".",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438222018
48800048,48810936,2015-07-30 02:08:16,"""For this purpose I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice"" - Jesus Christ
John 18",,Anonymous,wgcsmath.jpg,Hr+gduPWnLkbtrNDXO3hjw==,US,,1438222096
48800048,48811088,2015-07-30 02:12:59,">>48810674
>Bill Nye
You mean he's considered a ""brilliant educator"" with his use of rhetoric. He did help develop the MarsDial though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438222379
48800048,48811114,2015-07-30 02:13:50,">>48810726
>Do you believe that what happens in the natural environment must necessarily reflect how society functions?
Yes. Humans are animals and the same laws that apply to them apply to us. 
>In other words, can one accept the evidence for evolutionary theory, while maintaining that society and human interaction should not follow those precepts?
No, I mean what would be the point of figuring out how life works and improves but refusing to use apply that knowledge? Intellectual masturbation?
If it is really true that survival of the fittest benefits a specie then it absolutely should be applied to humans.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438222430
48800048,48811207,2015-07-30 02:16:30,">>48810688
>quite a leap in logic there, captain. isn't it questionable to assume something like that, when these images are full of quotes to the contrary?
I think you are correct, in so much as it would be difficult to determine individual probability for the scientists of the past. That said, with modernity, we have plenty of scientists to sample, who are provided with the knowledge and evidence that was limited in the past. One can make a hypothesis about the population of scientists so long as the samples are representative.
There is a strong correlation of education and scientific knowledge on subject matter particularly with life sciences, and belief in deities. I would find it likely that when presented with many of the evidences and lines of reasoning of modern science, particularly if one could get across endogenous retroviruses and claudistics, then there could be a shift in opinions from the older sources, as a reflection of modern scientists. To me, I find this the most plausible outcome, though one that is unquantifiable. 
>OP's pastebin says you base your convictions on what you know to be true, not what you want to be true
I would disagree with OP then. Everything is based on best evidence. Claiming truth is presumptuous.
>i'll let you think about that while i enjoy this nice glass of germ free milk, courtesy of mr. pasteur (pic related)
I have. Pasteurs work about spontaneous generation though was derivative of others like Francesco Redi.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438222590
48800048,48811209,2015-07-30 02:16:33,">>48810472
That's a good question.
First of all not all atheists are leftwing. Nietzsche's atheism is heavily influenced by Darwin.
""I do not want anyone to control me"" is a left-wing mentality. Modern atheism has a left wing ""God is a tyrant I do not want him to control me"" Although most of us became atheists for scientific reasons.
My view on control is that tyranny isn't bad only if the tyrant is a good ruler. Anyone would be glad to be ruled by an Alexander or Reinhard Von Lohengramm. The Christian God is an incompetent tyrant that blames his subjects for everything.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438222593
48800048,48811225,2015-07-30 02:17:06,">>48811114
you have caught the atheist in his hypocrisy. 
he has to, on the one hand, believe that humans are nothing more than animals, yet he has already implied that humanity is something greater
>something made in the image of god
>something with a soul
>something of worth",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438222626
48800048,48811269,2015-07-30 02:18:26,">>48810936
I can tell christwhores are cucks for kikes because you called Riemann a precursor to the theory of relativity rather than the inventor of it. EINSTEIN IS THE GREATEST SCIENTIST OY VEY NO GOYIM COULD POSSIBLY HAVE EVER COME UP WITH HIS THEORIES BEFORE HIM",,Anonymous,Religion.jpg,arJxipQiR/furA1SAkQErw==,US,,1438222706
48800048,48811410,2015-07-30 02:22:02,">>48811114
>Yes. Humans are animals and the same laws that apply to them apply to us. 
I see.
>No, I mean what would be the point of figuring out how life works and improves but refusing to use apply that knowledge? Intellectual masturbation?
You are arguing that in understanding a concept, it must then be applied? Also, evolution isn't a linear system of improvements, there are trade-offs for nearly any ""progress"" as many things are physiologically costly. 
>If it is really true that survival of the fittest benefits a specie then it absolutely should be applied to humans.
Why do you believe this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438222922
48800048,48811524,2015-07-30 02:26:35,">>48811209
You are speaking of God as a character right? if God is just the projections of the collective who wrote the bible. It seems like a lot of atheists refer to him in their posts with emotion as if he is an actual entity, saying he is evil, and they are upset/horrified at the world he created with all the death and tragedy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438223195
48800048,48811542,2015-07-30 02:27:08,">>48811225
>he has to, on the one hand, believe that humans are nothing more than animals, yet he has already implied that humanity is something greater
Humans are animals. This isn't really in any doubt. Humanity has the ability of cognition, which allows for higher level decision making, which is seen also in primates, and some mammals.
I think an issue is in assuming that cognitive function is a metric of superiority, when discussing things like evolutionary fitness. Effectively, you can claim any given trait is the marker for superiority based on what you want the end result to be. 
Also, many things that one would posit are ""superior"" are only so based on context and environment.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438223228
48800048,48811558,2015-07-30 02:27:33,">>48811225
""Science makes man divine""
Man is not just an animal, he is the smartest animal.",,OuterLimits,tumblr_m4k53iQtwL1rtvykco1_500.jpg,royXQiKYlk6qvVUPEgImhw==,US,,1438223253
48800048,48811591,2015-07-30 02:28:30,">>48811524
>It seems like a lot of atheists refer to him in their posts with emotion as if he is an actual entity
Excellent. You are agreeing he isn't an actual entity.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438223310
48800048,48811735,2015-07-30 02:34:51,">>48811524
I was referring to both.
Within the story, the Christian idea, God is incompetent, look at how easily the devil beats him at pretty much everything. And God does not take responsibility like a good leader he blames humans for everything and is constantly whining.
This is also a reflection of the leadership for the people that wrote the bible. The Jewish priesthood that wrote the old testament were part of a failed nation that got beaten again and again.
The New Testament was made by Jews that failed to succeed in Rome and were considered scum.
Contrast this with the God tyrants of successful cultures like Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh doesn't blame anyone but himself and laughs at danger, and succeeds in most of his goals.
Even their origins story a difference in culture. God is given his power at birth (full on mary sue power fantasy written by a loser). Gilgamesh earns his strength through his trials.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438223691
48800048,48811810,2015-07-30 02:37:53,">>48811542
very true. but you haven't really said anything. you have just played semantic games with the notion of what is superior, or avoided the issue of what society should strive to be like. Every time you debate with an atheist, they will use words like ""good"" or ""bad"" to describe things, or make claims about how people should behave, but when you press them for a fleshed out philosophy of what ""good"" or ""bad"" means in their society, they have to admit that these terms don't really mean anything. 
That is why atheism is a joke. it makes no claims at the end of the day. it is shapeless, and denies the deepest human experiences. Even OP's pastebin says ""Atheism is the belief that there is no gods. That is it, the rest is up to you"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438223873
48800048,48811877,2015-07-30 02:39:47,">>48811524
Many individuals will discuss fictional entities as if they were real, and make attributions to them based on what was written or taught. 
Most people here would likely describe Santa as jolly and positive, even knowing that his existence is not very likely, nor ever having interacted.
One could be horrified that God would flood the world, killing nearly all of humanity, in a similar sense to how one could be horrified by the actions of Hannibal Lecter eating someone's face.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438223987
48800048,48812149,2015-07-30 02:50:51,">>48811810
> you have just played semantic games with the notion of what is superior, or avoided the issue of what society should strive to be like. 
I feel that you are conflating terms. ""Superior"" means far different things if we are talking about evolution compared to discussion how society should be be run. I have plenty of ideas on what society should be like. It has nothing to do with atheism.
> Every time you debate with an atheist, they will use words like ""good"" or ""bad"" to describe things, or make claims about how people should behave, but when you press them for a fleshed out philosophy of what ""good"" or ""bad"" means in their society, they have to admit that these terms don't really mean anything.
One can maintain relative morality positions while not accepting an overarching objective morality. I think debating or explaining the determinants of ""good"" and ""bad"" in such a context requires nuance. 
>That is why atheism is a joke. it makes no claims at the end of the day.
Considering the definition of atheism is a binary negation, this should be obvious.
>it is shapeless, and denies the deepest human experiences.
Denying would be making a claim, which you just said it didn't make.
>Even OP's pastebin says ""Atheism is the belief that there is no gods. That is it, the rest is up to you"".
Entirely true. Atheism is irrelevant to the discussion on how the world should work. I personally base my ethical framework on my own lived experiences.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438224651
48800048,48812336,2015-07-30 03:00:32,">>48811810
>Every time you debate with an atheist, they will use words like ""good"" or ""bad"" to describe things, or make claims about how people should behave, but when you press them for a fleshed out philosophy of what ""good"" or ""bad"" means in their society, they have to admit that these terms don't really mean anything.
This is true. Many atheists move away from religion and simply do not put anything else in it.
This is why it so important to learn philosophy, spiritualism (real spirtualism not the hippy crap), and embrace culture.
This is a trend that is happening right.
>Even OP's pastebin says ""Atheism is the belief that there is no gods. That is it, the rest is up to you"".
Are you actually saying that choosing your own path is a bad thing? That's borderline promoting slavery.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438225232
48800048,48812685,2015-07-30 03:17:55,">>48812336
>>48812336
>Are you actually saying that choosing your own path is a bad thing? That's borderline promoting slavery.
The premise of modern Christianity is that you will be ""free from the shackles of sin"" by faith and adherence to the word. Freedom in atheism I would think is not having to engage in religious practices and living in fear of divine punishment. So either you are a slave to worldly desires or a belief system. Remember that church or your friend on facebook isn't God, it's just people claiming they embody the will of God. The important thing would be not to blindly follow anyone's dogma and verify the right path for yourself based on your own experiences and not by how convincing something you heard was.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438226275
48800048,48812967,2015-07-30 03:31:12,">>48812685
>The important thing would be not to blindly follow anyone's dogma and verify the right path for yourself based on your own experiences and not by how convincing something you heard was.
That's what we do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438227072
48800048,48813164,2015-07-30 03:39:44,">>48812685
>>48812685
Your 'freedom from the material/sinful world' comes when you die.
Basically death-cult mentality",,OuterLimits,cave_myth.jpg,PmcmsBly1NM8PHlMdxOgGQ==,US,,1438227584
48800048,48815725,2015-07-30 05:21:24,">>48805559
This proves nothing whatsoever.
There are also more atheists than there were before. Gee, could this possibly be because - the world's population has been steadily increasing for decades?!
>never forget: the beliefs of christfags entitle them to ignore all forms of logic that don't work in their favour.
A man is a christian to the extent he cannot think for himself.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438233684
48800048,48815800,2015-07-30 05:24:39,">>48807546
No it isn't.
Fuck off with your logical fallacies.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438233879
48800048,48815836,2015-07-30 05:26:27,">>48810252
No.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438233987
48800048,48815840,2015-07-30 05:26:36,"Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: ""I seek God! I seek God!"" -- As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? -- Thus they yelled and laughed.
The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. ""Whither is God?"" he cried; ""I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
""How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto.""",,Anonymous,1418067710389.jpg,wOAeTQhd/n2x5+9owhOmNA==,US,,1438233996
48800048,48815861,2015-07-30 05:27:13,">>48815840
Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. ""I have come too early,"" he said then; ""my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves.
It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but: ""What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?""",,Anonymous,RgqheFF.jpg,5CEkeDTr2yjsgVu0n9l5IQ==,US,,1438234033
48800048,48816323,2015-07-30 05:47:14,">>48815840
To help some people with with this. The first paragraph is about how God seems to be abscent from our life.
The second is describing all the chaos in a world without god. You can see that today.
The third says that we must replace ourself. It is humans who must now be divine. This leads to the concept of the Overman.
The forth is telling us that Nietzsche's message is not for his generation (18th century)
Glad to see people are taking an interest in this. Can't wait to see what sort of whacky misinterpretations start spreading around.",,OuterLimits,ku-xlarge2.jpg,GuyUq2RPdK8flbKyymRIBQ==,US,,1438235234
48800048,48817385,2015-07-30 06:29:04,">>48816323
>The forth is telling us that Nietzsche's message is not for his generation (18th century)
19th century. The rest of your post is solid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438237744
48800048,48817454,2015-07-30 06:32:25,Do you guys describe yourselves as militant anti-theists?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438237945
48800048,48817505,2015-07-30 06:34:57,"“The question of whether there exists a Creator and Ruler of the Universe has been answered in the affirmative by some of the highest intellects that have ever existed.”
–Charles Darwin
“This sense of wonder leads most scientists to a Superior Being – der Alte, the Old One, as Einstein affectionately called the Deity – a Superior Intelligence, the Lord of all Creation and Natural Law.”
—Abdus Salam, winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics
“A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”
–Joseph H. Taylor, Jr., who received the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics
“I believe that the more thoroughly science is studied, the further does it take us from anything comparable to atheism.”
“If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God.”
—Lord William Kelvin
“The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who – in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ – cannot hear the music of the spheres.”
—Albert Einstein
>yfw all the major intellects of history have been deeply spiritual people who believed in some kind of creator God",,Anonymous,1437569848127.png,kuMKUu7BwbrJpaT4vfQang==,AU,,1438238097
48800048,48817627,2015-07-30 06:40:18,">>48817505
When studying Truth you can only reach the one true truth that is The Lord.",,Anonymous,jerusalem.jpg,ZXo0/+m5Su9pREyjyY/ytA==,US,,1438238418
48800048,48817670,2015-07-30 06:42:12,">>48811810
You are right in all ways. The implication that we have moved beyond Christanity is that it is not enough to say God is real or fictional (in fact it dosen't even matter), but what values and morals we ought to uphold now that modernity is post-Christ. Atheists do not realize the larger scope of this Nihilism problem. But seriously though if you are a Christian and you read Nietzsche you'd get BTFO no doubt. 
>>48816323
WHAT IS GOOD?
ALL THAT HEIGHTENS THE FEELING OF POWER, THE WILL TO POWER, POWER ITSELF IN MAN
WHAT IS BAD?
ALL THAT PROCEEDS FROM WEAKNESS
WHAT IS HAPPINESS? 
THE FEELING THAT POWER INCREASES; THAT A RESISTANCE IS OVERCOME 
NOT CONTENTMENT, BUT MORE POWER
NOT PEACE AT ALL, BUT WAR
NOT VIRTUE, BUT PROFICIENCY",,Anonymous,21081012.jpg,Oa91gHzW0wcURqfE7JXdaA==,US,,1438238532
48800048,48817746,2015-07-30 06:45:37,">>48817670
I'm thinking after I write up the other paste bins it might be good to have some sort of Nietzsche study thing going on every thread.",,OuterLimits,Nietzsche__by_radicalpanda.jpg,F0si0UEXXuJMrRsr4MADvA==,US,,1438238737
48800048,48817754,2015-07-30 06:46:09,">>48817670
>Nietzche
Stop this meme. Practically everyone reads Nietzsche in their edgy teen stage and thinks he makes great point, then you mature think about it a little more and realize he was just the first neckbeard with all his bullshit about the Ubermensch. Please stop these prepubescent fantasies about Shounen Manga style theories about humanity",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438238769
48800048,48818080,2015-07-30 07:00:16,">>48817754
Nietzsche is a hard truth to follow. It means admitting that there are people far far better than you will ever be. And than it means wanting to see more of those people appear.
I am not the Overman and I never will be. The tight-roper walker in Zarathustra. That's me, that's most of us.
Nietzsche is not for everyone and I will not try to convince you that you should treat his book like a bible. Most of the people in this thread will either not understand or not want him.",,OuterLimits,DreamHunterREMrem_sd.jpg,Ibr2Lr9lnZteLelQOBVt1g==,US,,1438239616
48800048,48818163,2015-07-30 07:03:38,">>48818080
what blasphemy does he spill?
he says we are ubermensch above sin?
yet too many fall prey to sin, it's non sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438239818
48800048,48818188,2015-07-30 07:05:04,"Is this a joke thread? I am not sure, but the atheist fedora guy is suddenly embraced by atheists? I guess niggers embrace rappers singing about shooting and shit so I guess it is not that wild.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438239904
48800048,48818205,2015-07-30 07:05:52,"what is gained through nizesch?
you can proclaim yourself above everything that means nothing and is the same as proclaiming to be nothing but a lamb, the faults of man does not change through ignoring the flaws and only seeing what you want to see.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438239952
48800048,48818255,2015-07-30 07:07:48,">>48817754
Yeah, but some of the greatest reactionary thinkers e.g. Heidegger, Junger, Evola in the last century continued the works of Nietzsche. His Zarathustra was distributed to soldier inventories in the trenches of WWI. Sigmund Freud refers to Nietzsche as having: ""more penetrating knowledge of himself than any man who ever lived or was likely to live"". That's a little more than ""just the first neckbeard with all his bullshit""
> neckbeard/fedora ad hominem in atheism general 
If you can bring up an actual critique we can go from there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240068
48800048,48818305,2015-07-30 07:09:30,">>48818163
Moral relativism kills the concept of sin. We make our own good and evil.
>he says we are ubermensch
There has never been an ubermensch...yet
It is something we are working towards.
>>48818205
I have no clue what the fuck you are saying.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438240170
48800048,48818358,2015-07-30 07:11:29,">>48818305
What do you want? 
Nietzsche wants God dead for his own beliefs which are that power is good and weakness is bad? 
power in what and in whom? and if you're a moral relativist why would power be good?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240289
48800048,48818410,2015-07-30 07:13:14,What does Nietzsche want power for?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240394
48800048,48818486,2015-07-30 07:15:55,">>48818358
>Nietzsche wants God dead 
God IS dead. Science killed him. Every new advancement moved us away from a divinely controlled world to a naturally controlled world.
>power in what
All things
>and in whom
everyone strives for power. The weak die. the strong survive
>if you're a moral relativist why would power be good
Because it lets you accomplish whatever goals you make
Philosophy is a state of mind. It becomes a habit, a value system. When you see a chance to gain power your instinct should be to seize it. When you seek weakness your instinct should be to offer it no pity.
Consider the opposite. The sickly SJW who thinks 'evil' whenever they see something with power (rich, men, successful people) and 'pity them' whenever they see a weak victim.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438240555
48800048,48818544,2015-07-30 07:18:03,">>48818486
Yes, power is good this is true.
Now how does God existing have anything to do with an organizations power increasing?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240683
48800048,48818547,2015-07-30 07:18:09,">>48818410
Nietzche already had power. His power was the pen.
""“All I need is a sheet of paper
and something to write with, and then
I can turn the world upside down.” 
He wants us to THINK a certain way. That's what his books are about.
Nietzsche's 'meaning to life' was to create the Overman but he knew he would die before he saw it, the Overman will be something our generation (or perhaps our childrens) make.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438240689
48800048,48818577,2015-07-30 07:19:11,"There is no power in Atheism, wouldn't Christianity be more to Nietzsche's liking, considering we are the most powerful and dominant for 2000 years?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240751
48800048,48818607,2015-07-30 07:20:15,">>48818547
What is this fantasy?
What is an overman, and what does he have to do with me that I'm not an overman.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240815
48800048,48818628,2015-07-30 07:21:05,Nietzsche can either kill me or he can't and lacks the power.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240865
48800048,48818665,2015-07-30 07:22:29,The weak are those who turn to sin and are not strong enough to be vitreous true followers of the world.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438240949
48800048,48818676,2015-07-30 07:22:51,">>48818607
Think Napoleon, think Greek heroes, THATS what the Overman will be like.
>>48818577
Christianity is a value system that values humblness, mercy, and meekness, and pity.
These SUBTRACT power from you. He considered Christianity the absolute worst thing ever made. The second worst thing ever made is Judaism.
>>48818544
God is man's rival.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438240971
48800048,48818704,2015-07-30 07:23:58,">>48818676
What?
How is Christianity subtracting power?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438241038
48800048,48818822,2015-07-30 07:29:10,">>48818305
Dude... no. Nietzsche is not a moral relativist, even if he is one, using that term in front of Christians conjures a specific meaning to them. 
Moral relativism says that because peoples arrive at different moral valuations due to culture and tradition specific to them, morality in general is not binding. This is not Nietzsche's stance. Nietzsche recognizes the life-enhancing benefits of a value system that was tailored by the people for their specific circumstances. 
Anyways, this is my last post. If you are going to start a Nietzsche/reactionary general I'll be there, but explaining to Christians is hopeless. They are fixated on a superficial interpretation of Ubermensch/power and thinks the man is juvenile.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438241350
48800048,48818825,2015-07-30 07:29:14,"Power is meaningless without purpose, my power is used to do God's will, your power is used for your own pleasure, I know for a fact your structure is inferior because you are a but a man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438241354
48800048,48818891,2015-07-30 07:32:37,">>48818704
If you really want to know read his book on Christianity: anti-christ. It's free on many websites.
Also pick related",,OuterLimits,Meek.png,WN1M08TvOLxZNL17rx0G4g==,US,,1438241557
48800048,48819000,2015-07-30 07:37:02,">>48818891
Christianity is not weak. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity
God makes us so much stronger and true above the false hood and non sense without meaning of you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438241822
48800048,48819110,2015-07-30 07:41:04,"power is great I am ubermensch above everyone else, silly weak christians rely on god I am god! t. Nietzsche a single individual with not the power to do anything, whilst I am not an individual I am a follower of God and in Christ's interest which spans not just myself but 2.1billion people, there is nothing more powerful than religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438242064
48800048,48819264,2015-07-30 07:46:55,There is no truth without God.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438242415
48800048,48819353,2015-07-30 07:49:43,"S T I R N E R
T
I 
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48800048,48819476,2015-07-30 07:54:15,"“I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.”
—Christian Anfinsen, winner of the 1972 Nobel Prize in Chemistry
“The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine.”
—MIT physicist Vera Kistiakowsky
“Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one…. Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument.”
–Cosmologist and astronomer Edward Robert Harrison
“If we need an atheist for a debate, we go to the philosophy department. The physics department isn’t much use.”
—Robert Griffiths, winner of the Heinemann Prize in mathematical physics.
“This now tells how precise the Creator’s aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 10, to the power of 10, to the power of 123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10 to the power of 123 successive 0’s. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.”
–Oxford University mathematical physicist, mathematician, and philosopher of science Roger Penrose
>2015
>Still believing the creation of the universe was the result of random physical phenomena",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438242855
48800048,48819631,2015-07-30 08:00:33,">>48819476
Great. So you are Deist. Atheists have no problem with Deists.
But if you want to say it is your particular Christian God that made the universe you need proof.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438243233
48850806,48850806,2015-07-30 20:22:58,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_chan_kawaii-1.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1438287778
48850806,48851216,2015-07-30 20:33:04,>>48850806,,Anonymous,Moj6bvK.jpg,G9cvQsZ1HV1aQ8Q+EArOog==,US,,1438288384
48850806,48851282,2015-07-30 20:34:36,"i need more rule34 of fedora chan plz.... 
:c",,Anonymous,Untitled.png,d+AdOqUqa8ox+nWImHOrHw==,MX,,1438288476
48850806,48851348,2015-07-30 20:36:15,">>48850806
Why are atheists literally a meme religion full of autists?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-hutson/autism-atheism_b_1557098.html",,Anonymous,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1438288575
48850806,48851427,2015-07-30 20:38:20,">>48851348
Fedoras BTFO",,Anonymous,4833396+_3bed4c1150e65e05ffa0d2814c0b4c92.png,+OHKadNq/7jbBxQR6eyCRw==,US,,1438288700
48850806,48851468,2015-07-30 20:39:23,">>48851282
Just this, beg in the draw thread or on /i/?",,Anonymous,1437019859077.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1438288763
48850806,48851535,2015-07-30 20:40:43,">>48851468
are you the damn shekel nigger of /pol/draw threads?",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438288843
48850806,48851548,2015-07-30 20:41:01,">>48851348
Autistic people are less social, and religions are social constructs",,Anonymous,1437365057798.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1438288861
48850806,48851630,2015-07-30 20:43:01,">>48851535
Nah, I'm just the guy that makes atheism threads and came up with the idea of Fedora-chan (also made drawings of her, but they are shitty)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438288981
48850806,48851676,2015-07-30 20:44:15,">>48851630
i always request rule34 of it...and everybody ignore me",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438289055
48850806,48851751,2015-07-30 20:46:33,">>48851676
Sorry, I can't really help you since I'm not an artist. Find people on the Internet that won't ignore you when you request lewds",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438289193
48850806,48851970,2015-07-30 20:52:11,Post funny shit,,Anonymous,1437746709958.jpg,BiLnl+npDYwtzuIF/XgM0Q==,US,,1438289531
48850806,48852049,2015-07-30 20:54:07,>>48851970,,Anonymous,8FXZM.jpg,CRsaGdkc2lsWQOOR5Ka0sQ==,US,,1438289647
48850806,48852187,2015-07-30 20:57:25,Is this how fedora became a meme?,,Anonymous,funny-pictures-atheism-auto-604434.jpg,CH6dL2kH3e22z4cpvvktNA==,US,,1438289845
48850806,48852285,2015-07-30 20:59:37,,,Anonymous,housemate_atheist.jpg,0vRtDYF8cxGSjuNLZZBRkg==,US,,1438289977
48850806,48852296,2015-07-30 20:59:58,"*****UPDATE:
 
July 29 2015
*Added a new section to the basics on why atheists can have meaning/morality/
*Religious Profiles and Discussing Religion were terribly written. I have taken them while I edit them. I promise they will be back up soon and better than ever.
*3 new reasons why we have these threads/push atheism was added to the basics
*A new section about hatable atheists was been added to the basics
*New section was added to talk specifically about incorrect ideas in atheism. This is highly experimental and may be deleted. Christians, you can contribute too!!
Gonna add some of the images you guys posted to our 2nd bin.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438289998
48850806,48852310,2015-07-30 21:00:28,,,Anonymous,1241150363622.jpg,AtC0O1FHGfrE7zVMo5i8jA==,US,,1438290028
48850806,48852319,2015-07-30 21:00:42,"2nd bin, for general images",,OuterLimits,DreamHunterREMrem_sd.jpg,Ibr2Lr9lnZteLelQOBVt1g==,US,,1438290042
48850806,48852390,2015-07-30 21:02:25,">>48852296
>I promise they will be back up soon and better than ever.
Yay!",,Anonymous,1433741927349.jpg,lM+eWhdX1eeAB1q3qnIyFg==,US,,1438290145
48850806,48852472,2015-07-30 21:04:19,This...,,Anonymous,tumblr_lt42qsBAz11r0go7xo1_500.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1438290259
48850806,48852517,2015-07-30 21:05:19,">>48852472
... And this are great images to show anyone that does any prayer beyond meditation or thanking God for existence",,Anonymous,QpcmQ.jpg,D6cjQvkmrOaid5ju488isQ==,US,,1438290319
48850806,48852618,2015-07-30 21:07:38,">>48852517
>not thanking god for letting niggers starve",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438290458
48850806,48852664,2015-07-30 21:08:41,">>48852618
thanks god this happened",,Anonymous,1429126116247.jpg,avxZtCvuHYhDUiEny+A3hw==,MX,,1438290521
48850806,48852675,2015-07-30 21:09:01,">>48851282
If you're just gonna scribble all over the screen then use Windows Edge.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438290541
48850806,48852724,2015-07-30 21:10:05,">>48852675
>Edge
Why is Microsoft so edgy? Appealing to the younger demographics?",,Anonymous,mG22AKY.jpg,4nZ9A55zahSa2w0EyyegMA==,US,,1438290605
48850806,48852834,2015-07-30 21:12:33,"So here's something interesting.
This guy is a proffessor, not a youtube fag and has rips apart the foundation of Christianity and Mormonism on a historical level.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Osiris12gates/videos
He also his own theories about how hallucinogenic mushrooms were a major influence in the religion. You can actually see these mushrooms in lots of Christian art.
He wrote a book on the subject called the Mushroom in Christian art. The book sucks though and he WAY and takes the premise way too far and uses it to explain things that clearly are inspired by things other than drugs.
If you want to Troll Wolfshiem super hard one of his videos talks about how the Keys to heaven that Pope Peter has is a drug reference. The keys to heaven is a symbolic way of passing authority from one pope to another. Pretty hilarious.
Will drop some pictures of drugs in Christian art and add them to our bin",,OuterLimits,Jesus as a mushroom.jpg,xbTUkCoF1AcsZ3f+4lU0iw==,US,,1438290753
48850806,48852854,2015-07-30 21:13:06,More drugs in Christian art.,,OuterLimits,YoJesusOfTheMushrooms.jpg,G377GBhOHkfRfCpXXNRhlw==,US,,1438290786
48850806,48852924,2015-07-30 21:14:31,">>48852834
>Mormonism
They're too easy of targets",,Anonymous,kdAYA3w.jpg,sphRfYW7Ml3b4QaimwNYVA==,US,,1438290871
48850806,48853609,2015-07-30 21:30:56,On the divine origins of Christianity,,Anonymous,1433205459573.jpg,Ow56sovq1hUYGn3nt96Uvw==,US,,1438291856
48850806,48853658,2015-07-30 21:32:12,I've actually never even seen a Christian try to respond to this one. I think it conflicts too much with how special they think they are.,,Anonymous,aliens_large_grande.jpg,wnGjlBeC5DcE/U/hLUVWjw==,US,,1438291932
48850806,48853760,2015-07-30 21:34:40,,,Anonymous,1433205788868.jpg,Zo/C+zxYCTWxKTuIZBu8gw==,US,,1438292080
48850806,48853784,2015-07-30 21:35:22,,,Anonymous,K3lGeWs.jpg,sESPo/4e2mAvgnQU/Folzg==,US,,1438292122
48850806,48853910,2015-07-30 21:38:34,">>48853658
This is also why Christians HAVE to deny evolution.
Christian theology is heavily based on the soul. The entire system collapses with no soul. 
Part of the rules is that only creatures with souls can sin, otherwise priests would have to be baptizing maggots and tapeworms to save them from their sins.
So since only humans have souls they must be different than the other animals. There is way around this.
If humans are made by the same processes as animals the game is over. Either all living things have souls and it's back to baptism for tape worms or no animals have souls and there is no metaphysics at all.
Catholics cant get away with this a lot better than Protestants which is why Catholics are less anti-evolution. Basically the Vatican is god and anything they say goes. The Pope can always make up new doctrine which is slowly moving Catholics towards being a culture rather than a religion.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438292314
48850806,48854032,2015-07-30 21:42:39,">>48853910
Some googling got me this
>Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that ""the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God"" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438292559
48850806,48854316,2015-07-30 21:50:09,">>48854032
Yeah stuff like this is why Catholicism is the better religion.
With scripture only there is no way to have pre-human ancestors.
Vatacin can retcon things as often as they want so it's going to stay around for a really long time.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438293009
48850806,48854358,2015-07-30 21:51:29,">>48854316
I can only imagine their last days:
>The entire bible was a metaphor!",,Anonymous,1433206001711.png,2+4pITmFsZy+hkrAnffLYg==,US,,1438293089
48850806,48854529,2015-07-30 21:56:08,">>48854358
That's literally where they are headed because they are becoming increasingly more leftist.
Have you seen how secular jews operate. Basically no one believes anything in the Torah is literally true. The Rabbi opens up a random passage and talks about as a metaphor.
Jews can pull that off because of their strong sense of community.
Catholics can also pull it off because they have an organzied government. Commands go from the top down.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438293368
48850806,48855259,2015-07-30 22:14:36,,,Anonymous,fedora_wife.jpg,3f7Ne5sO3kX//EoIhctmRw==,US,,1438294476
48850806,48855429,2015-07-30 22:19:13,ITT bravetheists and summerfags,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438294753
48850806,48855645,2015-07-30 22:23:51,">>48855429
Better than the Christian threads",,Anonymous,soldier_of_christ.jpg,hK6TZ85sIZfVxe5BVYL4BQ==,US,,1438295031
48850806,48855875,2015-07-30 22:30:12,">>48854529
Hi OuterLimits chan. What r your thoughts on InspiringPhilosophy's YT vids and arguments, particularly his series on NT reliability and arguments for the soul? Haven't seen any Fedora attack those or maybe I'm unaware of them",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438295412
48850806,48856002,2015-07-30 22:33:48,">>48855875
>NT reliability
Lol, does this seem reliable to you?
>The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection ande went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
A zombie invasion in a city and no one wrote about it but one gospel?",,Anonymous,gods_army.jpg,pksjTD/44a+bw4NZabqAxA==,US,,1438295628
48850806,48856141,2015-07-30 22:37:28,">>48856002
Well it is after I saw IP's arguments for them. At first I thought I'm gonna get standard usual arguments that I heard before but his arguments are phenomenal. The guy's quite serous when he says he ain't leaving any stones unturned.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438295848
48850806,48856291,2015-07-30 22:40:24,">>48856141
There is no argument to be made. This event never occurred.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438296024
48850806,48856472,2015-07-30 22:44:21,">>48856291
Wut? Are u at least going to watch one of his vids and actually raise some valid points against his arguments?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438296261
48850806,48856538,2015-07-30 22:45:45,">>48856472
Paraphrase/summarize some points YOU think are convincing from one of his videos. I'll argue against that. I'm not gonna dissect 10 minute videos for you.
Also, here is a fun Bible blip: Luke 3:23-38
Jesus' lineage... from ADAM. God damn, NT is so reliable...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438296345
48850806,48856753,2015-07-30 22:51:02,">>48855645
I like the concept in this but you shouldn't just copy paste over the katan wielding fedora.
The bad image of the atheists is something we laugh at by carciturizing it. Fedora-chan has a trench-coat and katana.
You should probably find some stupid Christians: like the autistic ones that try to say how sonic the hedgehog and western cartoons are 'christian'.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438296662
48850806,48856777,2015-07-30 22:51:42,">>48855875
I have no clue what it is easy but I'll look it up and give you my thoughts. Cooking now.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438296702
48850806,48856855,2015-07-30 22:53:32,">>48856753
... but you put an image exactly like this in the imgur",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438296812
48850806,48856856,2015-07-30 22:53:32,"Do christfags still believe in noah's ark? Or had that graduated to ""metaphor"" status?",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1438296812
48850806,48856916,2015-07-30 22:54:51,">>48850806
But atheism is as nearly as ridiculous as religion. The superior position is agnosticism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438296891
48850806,48856961,2015-07-30 22:55:50,">>48856856
Noah's Ark is an important story, as God makes a covenant with man after the flood saying he won't do it again, and promising Christ. Without Noah there is no Christ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438296950
48850806,48856994,2015-07-30 22:56:28,">>48856916
this guy gets it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438296988
48850806,48856995,2015-07-30 22:56:31,">>48856916
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
We are all agnostic atheists here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438296991
48850806,48857055,2015-07-30 22:58:02,">>48856916
Why is it ridiculous? I think there's a chance god could exist, but only as much as i think there could be an invisible dancing clown who lives on the dark side of the moon. Neither are absolutely 100% impossible, but both so unlikely I can't say I ""believe"" either of them is true to any meaningful use of the word.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1438297082
48850806,48857131,2015-07-30 22:59:45,">>48856916
From
THE BASICS
 It is impossible to truly know anything for certain. Your whole life could be a sophisticated computer simulation ran by a bored alien. It is impossible to know that alien running the program will not make you feel extreme pain if you do not give me $20 and follow my advice.
 Thus to make any sort of conclusion you need evidence. Because you have no evidence for this alien, you keep your $20 and make your own choices.
The greater magnitude of a claim, the more it affects your life, the more you most exert yourself the more evidence you need to believe it. ""Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"".
 Claiming that there is a powerful,undetectable, thing that will give endless pleasure or endless torture based on how well you fellow a couple hundred pages of instructions....requires a whole lot of fucking proof.
 And there are several different religions all claiming similar things. Even if you found this spirit-judge-thing totally believable you would have multiple religions to pick from! And within each section different sects with different beliefs!
-----If you just said 'the universe could have been made a God' that is a valid thing, just as likely as the universe wasn't made by a God. However once you start saying it is a specific God and that the hundreds of stories about miracles and the thousands of divine laws are all totally legit you need evidence for it.
Just saying all religions are equally likely is retarded. You might as well say that all mythologies and folk lore are also equally likely as the religion.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438297185
48850806,48857189,2015-07-30 23:01:10,">>48856855
I didn't say the image is bad. I said it could be improved. The imgur doesn't really have quality control. It's just a place for us to build your own personal collection, saving only the ones you like.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438297270
48850806,48857344,2015-07-30 23:05:01,">>48856961
but do christfags think it really happened? Or just just a ""story""?",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1438297501
48850806,48857395,2015-07-30 23:06:18,">>48856538
Well fair enough,
Here's a point
a)Large amount of manuscripts. 
IP argues that the writings of the NT writing are reliable(this is in the sense that we can have the original NT) given the wide attestation to the NT through fragments and manuscripts which he argues are more attested in contrast to other ancient literature.
IP's argument is that the more manuscripts we have, the more likely we can reconstruct the original through textual criticism thus the NT isn't altered or anything. 
Vid noting this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rml5Cif01g4
I have to go now fuck this. See u later",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438297578
48850806,48857449,2015-07-30 23:07:50,">>48857395
>IP's argument is that the more manuscripts we have, the more likely we can reconstruct the original through textual criticism thus the NT isn't altered or anything
Cool beans. I also have unaltered copies of the original Harry Potter books.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438297670
48850806,48857451,2015-07-30 23:07:51,">>48856777
That's cute. Love u :3",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438297671
48850806,48857965,2015-07-30 23:20:59,">>48857344
It had to have happened",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438298459
48850806,48858157,2015-07-30 23:25:20,">>48857965
christfags think that or you think that?",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1438298720
48850806,48858293,2015-07-30 23:29:28,Alice is a fedora too.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438298968
48850806,48858310,2015-07-30 23:29:52,">>48858293
Durr, reloaded page, forgot to reattach image.",,Anonymous,64ed6bc42a53f92056371e1984b75f80765c83a1.jpg,XtDX+ok6PPQ54o6t/YiQKw==,US,,1438298992
48850806,48858912,2015-07-30 23:46:12,">>48850806
Do you guys actually like religion vs atheism debates, or are you just sick of them?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438299972
48850806,48859304,2015-07-30 23:55:48,">>48858912
There's no point to it. Either you understand basic logic or you operate on feels. We could go back and forth like this for the next 500 years and nothing would change.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438300548
48850806,48859364,2015-07-30 23:57:06,"Ok so I've watched about half of this video about reliability of NT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rml5Cif01g4
The argument in it seems to completely midpoint and fails to understand what biblical authenticity means.
Ok so the bible was formed in the 2nd century. And every copy is more or less like another.
An fiction book is written in the xth centuary and every copy is more less like another.
The text, and the text alone, was faithfully preserved. But preserving text can be done for anything from fiction to non-fiction.
This doesn't really deal with the problem that the text itself is not historical. The first story in the NT involves a story where King Herod massacres a million looking for baby Jesus. This is not a historical event and only Mathew seems to think it is canon. The gospels contradict themself on a historical basis.
Even if we allow for the zombies that came out when Jesus died to be a historical event only one version of Jesus' death seems to have this.
It also doesn't really seem to that there are rival 'bibles' which were also preserved accurately. Like the dead sea scrolls.
Here is the difference in perspective. The Christians, who this video is aimed, already beleive that their story is historical. So they want to prove that this little history was recorded accuratly. And you did it CONGRATULATIONS.
If this video is aimed at Christians than it is successful: that is in reaffirming something you already believe.
Atheists do not view the bible as history we view as a myth based on real history. In the same way that The Illiad is a myth based on real history. 
If the video is aimed at atheists it seems the authors do not have a clue about how atheists view the world.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438300626
48850806,48859491,2015-07-31 00:00:08,">>48850806
Why post this on /pol/? Keep it on reddit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438300808
48850806,48859773,2015-07-31 00:06:41,">>48858912
It's actually starting to dry up.
Give us a chance to do meta-discussion. What's the state of atheism where everyone lives?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438301201
48850806,48859791,2015-07-31 00:07:11,">>48854316
The Vatican cannot reconn everything, at least not in theory. I am sure the true believers would let them get away with it, but theologians and other bishops could bulk. 
They cannot change dogma, that is a matter of faith or morals that has been declaired infallible by the pope, or that all bishops as a body hold to be true (that's the idiots definition, I am sure they have a much more complicated one written somewhere with less obvious loopholes)
Thats said there are lots of things they can arguably change or augment.
among protestants you basically have two kinds. Those that ignore the horrific parts of the bible and those who embrace them unironically. both are terrible but for different reasons. Catholics of course have there own problems.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438301231
48850806,48860014,2015-07-31 00:14:31,">>48857395
Historians consider it reliable as a historical source, just not one we can take at face value. 
The Gospel writers used other gospel writers as sources, you can see how things are added to the later gospels, Things seem to be hinted at but never written by the authors (because it would hurt their case) We know some of Pauls letter were not actually written by Paul. 
Historians train to read between the lines of these type of things. See what information is being omitted, what has been said but ignored or explained away by the church. 
Also as far as I know Changes were made around the time of Nicena to some texts.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438301671
48850806,48860223,2015-07-31 00:19:52,">>48852285
This is dumb everyone knows atheists look like the man with the banana in his rectum.",,Anonymous,BANANA.jpg,GTLCpPkiBRoOnb+ZUZuzbA==,US,,1438301992
48850806,48860257,2015-07-31 00:20:57,">>48852724
Teach about loss and humility and the importance of family.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438302057
48850806,48860375,2015-07-31 00:24:45,">>48859791
If you really think Catholics cannot change dogma you should do some research on what they used to believe.
There used to be no concept of purgitory or dante's inferno. Later they changed that. There used to be no Lucifer the Fallen angel. That got changed. And the bible supports creationism, which also got changed.
The bible is God's world. In it he can never be wrong because that's the rule of the fictional world. But we do not live God's world. God lives in our world.
His world and all his vast powers or just a subset of our world, since we created him.
Because of this any sort of interpretation of the texts what so ever, except for perhaps a literal one, is human's writing God's world. An interpretation is a change in rules made by we, the masters of God's world. By interpreting his world we change his world and his powers.
Atheists do this. But our interpretation, our change in his world, is much more direct. We write him out of the story.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438302285
48850806,48861673,2015-07-31 00:59:24,">>48859491
When is this stupid meme gonna die? Stop acting like a bunch of angsty teenagers on reddit somehow invalidates the position of atheism as a whole.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438304364
48850806,48862672,2015-07-31 01:28:20,">>48857449
U do know that even if we can show the validity of the entire NT, if it can be shown that the NT we have is different from that of the original, the entire corpus of Christendom would fall apart.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438306100
48850806,48862927,2015-07-31 01:36:08,">>48862672
I haven't looked into it but isn't this basically what the dead scrolls did?
It's older than your new testament and it has a completely different Jesus?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438306568
48850806,48862990,2015-07-31 01:38:11,">>48862927
The Dead sea scrolls are OT books not NT. 
Try looking into it and you will see the light that IP-kun has prepared for those who seek :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438306691
48850806,48864480,2015-07-31 02:20:21,">>48860375
For one, Dante's inferno is not and never was Catholic doctrine. it was a work of fiction. the divine comedy. 
there is also a difference between dogma and doctrine. they are not the same thing. Now your right that the church has essentially invented dogma's over time, and you can see that in the divide between east and west, but they maintain, at least that the church always held those things to be true. Even for things they can change, they do not do so very often. 
Biblical literalism to my knowledge, is not supported in the writings of the church fathers. 
Catholics are very into legalism. The Pope does not hold absolute power, he is bound by a bunch of rules. Can you find work arounds to those rules like you can in most legal systems? yes you can but you have to do alot of leg work and it pisses people off when you do it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438309221
48850806,48864504,2015-07-31 02:21:06,">>48862990
These are my thoughts on the bible
>>48857395
I've been a Christian before and I honestly think it was the worst thing that ever happened to me. If I stayed that I would have probably have started developing clinical problems.
I knew God too well. I read the bible way too much and way too early in my life.
I don't think I'd ever date a Christian. It's either Saint Mary or me. And unlike mary I wasn't a prostitute =p",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438309266
48850806,48864685,2015-07-31 02:26:55,I find it funny debating truths with Atheists when it's impossible for them to hold any truths.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438309615
48850806,48864724,2015-07-31 02:28:36,>>>/r/atheism,,Anonymous,fedoras.webm,IMVYvSdD75A13I3w8KZBQQ==,MX,,1438309716
48850806,48864753,2015-07-31 02:29:22,">>48864685
But if God is necessary to hold truths than you can't either, you just think you can. In a way its like knowing less than nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438309762
48850806,48864815,2015-07-31 02:31:12,">>48864753
No, I hold God as true and the one he sent as true my beliefs are true and not subjective to my will nor the will of any man, this is truth. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0d4qM7gCH8#t=309",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438309872
48850806,48864851,2015-07-31 02:32:29,">>48864504
Why can't you explore the Christianity that is different from the one you were raised in?
I can understand that there's a lot of crap or supposed crap stuff in the Bible itself but what if you had been approaching it from the wrong angle this whole time? I had to bear with listening to crap theology and Christianity when I was in college and it sucks. 
Also, I'm not really a Christian but I'm considering conversion at the moment so I guess we can still date right?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438309949
48850806,48864911,2015-07-31 02:34:26,">>48864480
Biblical literalism is the heart of the bible. Without that it's just a fable and no religion at all. 
Every step you move away from biblical literalism subtracts a bit of God's power, a bit of his presence in history. 
""This story is a metaphor"" means ""this never happened"" eventually the whole story will be a metaphor, eventually it will have never happened.
The Catholic Church is actually helping atheism in a certain way by erasing God out of history.
This is how we redeem God for his sins. We erase his history so his sins never happened.
The future Catholic Church will have a Deist world view, they will still keep their rituals but they will only be rituals. The holy spirit doesn't really enter your body when you do Communion because the holy spirit is only a metaphor. They will still have their government.
Future Protestants will get more and more mentally ill. The only thing holding them together is the bible and they will continue to defend it all costs. They will probably start talking like David Ike.
I have no fucking clue what Islam will do which is what worries me.",,OuterLimits,1423354185616.jpg,py1Rwh4P5VKlVkjVU0WOeQ==,US,,1438310066
48850806,48864927,2015-07-31 02:34:56,">>48864815
So your beliefs are true because you hold them to be true so they are objectively true?",,Anonymous,1262239026032.jpg,0Sdxy/rBj+rzdlrihqyOzA==,US,,1438310096
48850806,48864959,2015-07-31 02:36:17,">>48864927
I hold God and the one he sent as true and their words as truth, this is the only way for you to have truth of morals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438310177
48850806,48865036,2015-07-31 02:39:02,"You either believe Murdering is a sin, Theivery a sin, lying a sin etc... or you believe Theivery = Charity, Murder = Salvation etc.. tell me which seems more true to you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438310342
48850806,48865055,2015-07-31 02:39:50,">>48864911
>Every step you move away from biblical literalism subtracts a bit of God's power, a bit of his presence in history. 
>Biblical literalism is the heart of the bible. Without that it's just a fable and no religion at all.
You have to understand that the idea that Christianity is centered around the bible is not what early Christians believed. Its essentially a protestant idea, though there intellectual forbears thought the same.
while the Catholic populace has liberalized, I assure you the people at the top are not. The current pope has changed his tone from the last. He has not changed any of the doctrines.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438310390
48850806,48865162,2015-07-31 02:42:55,">>48850806
u mean autism general?",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1438310575
48850806,48865193,2015-07-31 02:43:54,">>48850806
Your largest mascot is fat guy with bananas in his ass.
Dawkins is a retard that refuses to grasp certain concepts.
Hitchens is nugget that gets tied up on history
Krauss is a dishonest physicist who argues that the biblical wasnt the biblical account of nothing
Sam Harris says that we are good for the sake of being good because being good is good
Atheism or Theism is just wish fulfillment.
Think about that.
You ask for evidence but you wont think. you let the evidence in a sense think for you.
philosophy Asks you questions you already know the answers to and makes you question your deepest convictions.
Tell me can you trust logic? 
You cant prove logic
Sure ridiculous I know, but its something that cant be proven, you just accept it on faith.
You also accept that the universe is intelligible on faith.
If you didnt think that then you couldnt conduct science.
>stephen hawking is just an angry little man because he was cucked by a pastor
Why cant more atheists be like say 
David Berlinski
>secular man
>have a good time all the time
>chews out other atheists for their shit
>chews out religion for its shit
>doesnt but on the agnostics or the silent atheist
>doesnt bust on the silent religious/deists
Really Atheism at the level of the common man in the manner it is perpetrated today is just plain retarded.
>golfing has a thread 
>not golfing should also have a thread
>OP is this retarded",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438310634
48850806,48865209,2015-07-31 02:44:35,">>48864911
>Biblical literalism is the heart of the bible
Not really. It only became a thing during the Reformation. Before that, everyone pretty much approaches Scripture through multiple lenses often combining allegorical, typological and historical(literal) approaches. Sometimes, literal approaches do not entail taking X passage as actually happening in the plain meaning of the words written down such as the Creation Account for example. It is a real event though it isn't strictly speaking literally how the whole creation of the universe went about. 
If you like to see things from a different POV, Christianity would use literalistic and 'simple' words or narration to describe a transcendent or Divine act. The Eucharist itself comes to mind how the body and blood of Christ which is Divine appears in the forms of ordinary bread and wine. The spiritual and divine reality is there but projected as something rather ordinary. 
Take the literalistic approach and you get the shit of Protestantism. Thankfully it ain't that bad in Europe and within the mainline Prots. 
Also, remember that I'll always love you, even if you force me to choose between you and Christianity. I will not give up until we are together :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438310675
48850806,48865270,2015-07-31 02:46:54,">>48864959
So your argument is ""God, said it I believe it and that settles it?
>this is the only way for you to have truth of morals.
what about Buddhism? Or I could just belief that the logical patterns that back human morality are inherent within the universe. I could believe lots of things other than your false dichotomy.",,Anonymous,1262239260628.jpg,zxYnD7R/DJmiPhAvBO5R6A==,US,,1438310814
48850806,48865354,2015-07-31 02:49:51,">>48850806
>>48865193
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/a-universe-from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html?_r=0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XIDykeZplU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MI5c7LYSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbYoQw8M48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBq15MaYuU
/\ this is a good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED32UZT06sc
this is kind of funny... Evolutionists are just angry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg
Seriously check these out.
If they dont make you think then nothing will and you should probably just keep you opinions to yourself
>""lol theist talking about opinions"" 
shut up commie and watch the propaganda.
Its worth it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438310991
48850806,48865382,2015-07-31 02:50:46,">>48865270
What about Buddhism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311046
48850806,48865409,2015-07-31 02:51:27,">>48865270
Logical patterns?
So nothing is wrong and we are just dancing to our DNA in a sense?
consider becoming a nihilist or offing yourself because you arent following your ideas to their logical conclusions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311087
48850806,48865447,2015-07-31 02:52:35,">>48865382
you said: I hold God and the one he sent as true and their words as truth, this is the only way for you to have truth of morals.
So what about Buddhism? they have a coherent moral code based on first principles just like Christians do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311155
48850806,48865519,2015-07-31 02:54:49,">>48865409
I never said I believe that, I was just presenting alternatives to his false dichotomy. Assuming there are logical patterns in the universe and our morality is a reflection of them is also a big assumption, but unlike God we actually have empirical evidence there are logical patterns in the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311289
48850806,48865528,2015-07-31 02:55:05,">>48865447
If you for say held Islam as truth you would have truth of morals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311305
48850806,48865567,2015-07-31 02:56:34,">>48865528
You have an American flag but that statement does not read like American English, or English English for that matter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311394
48850806,48865570,2015-07-31 02:56:44,">>48865519
100 million killers say they are moral and you must kill or be a serial non killer, this is perfectly correct in your way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311404
48850806,48865601,2015-07-31 02:57:58,">>48865519
There is nothing in nature to justify Christian beliefs as true besides Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311478
48850806,48865613,2015-07-31 02:58:19,">>48865570
that in no way reflects that argument, and I can barely read what you wrote. Is English your first language?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311499
48850806,48865632,2015-07-31 02:59:05,">>48865613
What can't you understand?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311545
48850806,48865709,2015-07-31 03:02:14,">>48865601
So you admit your logic is circular but your still debating me?
>>48865632
I can understand, its just really bad English.
>this is perfectly correct in your way.
What should say is: this is the logical conclusion of what you believe.
>If you for say held Islam as truth you would have truth of morals.
If you for instance held Islam as true you would have a moral system based on truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311734
48850806,48865756,2015-07-31 03:03:35,">>48865709
If you can understand then discuss it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311815
48850806,48865782,2015-07-31 03:04:26,">>48865756
I am. Your ignoring my arguments and repeating yourself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311866
48850806,48865790,2015-07-31 03:04:49,"I find in many of these threads that Atheists tend to believe that Faith and Scientific reasoning are incompatible mindsets. 
On the contrary, many of history's greatest scientific discoveries were made by Christians, proving that far from inhibiting an inquisitive mind, faith concerns the same thing as science: truth.
now dumping the world's greatest scientific minds 
who also happen to be christian",,Anonymous,boyle.jpg,2MHawXxolIEkBgAu77BreQ==,US,,1438311889
48850806,48865815,2015-07-31 03:05:45,,,Anonymous,faraday.jpg,W+8l7mEhfFmHszM3AQ4ADQ==,US,,1438311945
48850806,48865829,2015-07-31 03:06:27,">>48865790
His name is Boyle and his law clarifies boiling",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438311987
48850806,48865837,2015-07-31 03:06:39,,,Anonymous,joule.jpg,ZCiWZ4gCY3As7JQ7CcyJsQ==,US,,1438311999
48850806,48865849,2015-07-31 03:07:01,">>48865709
My logic is not circular, it is the only logic that there is towards morals. 
You either believe in God and therefore all Man's subjective talks matter not towards your morals for they are not reliant on your will or any mans will but in God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312021
48850806,48865870,2015-07-31 03:07:51,">>48865829
right you are",,Anonymous,kelvin.jpg,PR1JuVyJB7HsKNMtSYqvnw==,US,,1438312071
48850806,48865872,2015-07-31 03:07:57,">>48865709
The only way for you to have truth of morals is in God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312077
48850806,48865882,2015-07-31 03:08:08,,,Anonymous,leeuwenhoek.jpg,e3LPY4zA1/DcKpumDDYy7Q==,US,,1438312088
48850806,48865897,2015-07-31 03:08:42,">>48865790
>>48865815
Most atheists are not historians or philosophers. So they are not familiar with the role Christians played in the development of science. However the fact however that many great scientists were/are Christians does not prove that Christianity is in line with modern scientific thought.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312122
48850806,48865942,2015-07-31 03:10:40,">>48865897
There is nothing that science can prove with certainty that the Christian cannot accept
Truth is Truth.",,Anonymous,linnaeus.jpg,izRkPO/sucV/AAcALCilVA==,US,,1438312240
48850806,48865958,2015-07-31 03:11:30,,,Anonymous,maxwell.jpg,PxJ5ZJJbww8Ay9ABSTtnjA==,US,,1438312290
48850806,48865965,2015-07-31 03:11:45,When you search for Truth you will find the Lord.,,Anonymous,be a missionary.jpg,OQVDJuDcSCQ1DSN2f1OKyg==,US,,1438312305
48850806,48865978,2015-07-31 03:12:10,">>48865849
but that isn't true, Buddhist morality based on monism is an example, I offered the example of logical patterns underlying human behavior. You addressed neither. 
>>48865942
That would certainly depend on the branch of Christianity 
Furthermore you assert that a belief in God is all that is necessary to demonstrate an objective morality, but you have failed to demonstrate that God is real or that he is moral. Divine command theory was dismissed by philosophers even before Christianity was created.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312330
48850806,48866001,2015-07-31 03:12:51,">>48864851
What's there to explore. All Christianity is based on the bible. It's a disgusting book even as I child I thought God was in the wrong on virtually every single issue. I still went along with it cuz you know divine punishment and all that. 
-Eden was a prison would have been fucking boring. The Fruit represents fucking wisdom. Our modern society, you and everyone in it comes the the snake talking Adam&Eve into eating the fruit. Either you think the modern world is a mistake or the snake is the father of all civilization
-God bitches about getting a vegatable sacrifice instead of a meat sarifice. Cane was a fucking farmer it's all he had. He didn't have any meat. It's like god was trying to fucking provoke him. God does tons of passive aggressive shit like this. 'hey you should tottally kill your son...jk you can keep him, just fucking with you'
-The Flood and the Tower Babel is a story against science, against industry, and against growth. God is also cruel to his creations destroying most of his animals
-There is not a single act of love from God in the entire old testament. He punishes his own people with sensless things over pity rules. A begger picks up sticks on the Sabbath and is killed. He curses one the Jews holy kings because he refused to kill women and children in a war. God constantly whines at his favorite people the jews, for doing just about anything while he himself is incompetent and barely able to defend them from other Gods.
(continued)",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438312371
48850806,48866008,2015-07-31 03:12:56,">>48865354
>tfw atheists just ignore this because they know they are retards",,Anonymous,disarpproval.gif,QQoSl3NBCUQDTqWXcJlSSQ==,US,,1438312376
48850806,48866012,2015-07-31 03:13:08,">>48865958
Keep posting these. I want all that you have.
Also, where's Newton?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312388
48850806,48866013,2015-07-31 03:13:12,">>48865978
sorry
>>48865849
Furthermore you assert that a belief in God is all that is necessary to demonstrate an objective morality, but you have failed to demonstrate that God is real or that he is moral. Divine command theory was dismissed by philosophers even before Christianity was created.
that was for him not you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312392
48850806,48866014,2015-07-31 03:13:19,">>48865965
""for this purpose I came into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice""
Jesus Christ 
John 18",,Anonymous,mendel.jpg,IcPsaF4eSZVFiqHG/dr0mg==,US,,1438312399
48850806,48866028,2015-07-31 03:13:49,">>48865978
Logic does not factor in to peoples morals, only their personal interests.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312429
48850806,48866050,2015-07-31 03:14:30,">>48866012
Newton was actually a heretic vis a vis Orthodox Christianity and the English Church",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312470
48850806,48866055,2015-07-31 03:14:33,">>48866012
he's next!",,Anonymous,newton.jpg,g8dB+4S1+Vug83T/FoA14g==,US,,1438312473
48850806,48866056,2015-07-31 03:14:36,">>48866013
You either believe in truth of morals or you don't and therefore are an atheist, I believe in truth of morals and thus am a Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312476
48850806,48866069,2015-07-31 03:15:00,">>48866001
-New Testament shows a complete disinterest in any human beings that are directly related to Jesus or his disciples. In the first page of the new testament king herod plans to kill every child in his kingdom to prevent Jesus from being born. An angel learns of this and tells Mary. The angel doesn't tell anyone else. Their lives do no matter
-Jesus's advice is terrible. I never found anything useful in them even as a kid. He has no concept of masculinity. It's a philosophy for a slave where you just try to act nice so your master doesn't beat you.
-Jesus sets no examples of how to live you life. More than any other activity he hangs out with prostitutes, drug addicts, and the ugliest poor people. Go to a homless ghetto, find the absolute worst you can just like Jesus did. Live amoungst them for a few months and tell me how you feel. He has no heroic deeds, no great accomplishments, the first 30 years of his life are so uneventful they are not even written down. 
-The trial is a horrible event. Jesus is passive aggressive saying 'i could summon my angels to kill you but I won't'. Pilot is the only good person in the NT, he is trying to find the truth. Jesus basically tells him to fuck off. 
-Crufixation is meaningless. This is what I thought as I child. Jesus didn't make any sacrifice, a sacrifice is volintary he was put their. 
-Resurrection ruined the story for me as a child. When Optimius prime died in the transformers that had meaning to me because he stayed dead, that's a sacrifice. Jesus cheats death and never sacrificed anything. I'm not trying say Transformers was a great movie but that's really how I felt as a kid. Now I understand the resurrection was just a fanfiction and it all makes sense. There was no sacrifice, Jesus died for his own crimes.
-The writings after Jesus's death were disgusting death threats. It describes Jesus as becoming a senseless murder.
Anyway I could go on. There is nothing noble in the bible, literal or metaphor.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438312500
48850806,48866094,2015-07-31 03:15:45,">>48866050
Being not of the Church does not mean you do not hold the Lord as truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312545
48850806,48866100,2015-07-31 03:16:00,">>48866055
Thank you Christian brother.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312560
48850806,48866119,2015-07-31 03:16:35,,,Anonymous,pasteur.jpg,g720x3g4MmA6fhqKmEa7zw==,US,,1438312595
48850806,48866121,2015-07-31 03:16:38,">>48866001
>le meme bible
Thats a nice one
come back to after this >>48865354
No really you probably wont be an atheist after watching them.
>""tarded creationist vids"" 
They are debates between Prominent Atheist philosophers and scientists like Dawkins and Hitchens against prominent theist philosophers and Scientists 
by scientists I mean (physicists and mathematicians)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312598
48850806,48866142,2015-07-31 03:17:14,">>48866050
Newton wrote theology more than anything and he was a self proclaimed theist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312634
48850806,48866153,2015-07-31 03:17:25,">>48866028
>Logic does not factor in to peoples morals, only their personal interests.
That isn't what Christians believe, I know because I was one.
>>48866056
So Buddhists do not believe in morals?
>>48866094
I do not think he believed Jesus was literally the son of God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312645
48850806,48866162,2015-07-31 03:17:38,">>48865790
That is easy to explain. Science based on doubting and prooving things. Faith are baisong on undoubting and not prooving. 
And, of course, the fact, that some, especially pre 20 century scientists had religion doesn't mean enything. Religion is besicly a media-virus, sort of mental disease. Having a disease doesn't make worse professional, as soon as it doesn't affect your skill, and science as a professional aria is so tight, that mentally religioned human cant actually make it affect their work (by sciense i, of course, mean real science, not shit like social studies)
And in the end of the day, the facts are matter, not dead autorities.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1438312658
48850806,48866180,2015-07-31 03:18:13,,,Anonymous,vonbraun.jpg,GTT+7pSpK/4Y1EFkQKS6og==,US,,1438312693
48850806,48866182,2015-07-31 03:18:16,">>48866153
My personal interest does not factor in to my belief in the Lord, I hold the word as true and the Lord's will as true my will is to serve his will.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312696
48850806,48866199,2015-07-31 03:18:42,">>48866142
You do not seem to know what the word ""heretic"" means. it means you do not agree with everything your church says you have to believe in.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312722
48850806,48866208,2015-07-31 03:18:57,">>48851348
I am autistic. By posting stuff like this, you push me away from Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312737
48850806,48866224,2015-07-31 03:19:25,,,Anonymous,wgcsmath.jpg,Hr+gduPWnLkbtrNDXO3hjw==,US,,1438312765
48850806,48866232,2015-07-31 03:19:47,">>48866001
>-Eden was a prison would have been fucking boring. The Fruit represents fucking wisdom. Our modern society, you and everyone in it comes the the snake talking Adam&Eve into eating the fruit. Either you think the modern world is a mistake or the snake is the father of all civilization
I need to tear this apart as this Anon clearly has a spirit of evil dwelling within him.
>The Fruit represents fucking wisdom.
The literal greatest misconception in the history of the subject of religion. The fruit represented the knowledge of good and evil, and nothing more.
>The serpent
The serpent is described as an animal in Genesis. Try reading this stuff before you comment.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312787
48850806,48866256,2015-07-31 03:20:30,">>48866162
could it be possible that you are the one who is being close minded, and not these great thinkers?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312830
48850806,48866262,2015-07-31 03:20:37,">>48866055
Newton was also an alchemist and mysticist, i.e. a heretic. It's telling he wrote most of his religious stuff later in life, when the mercury fumes of his alchemy had addled his mind.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438312837
48850806,48866267,2015-07-31 03:20:45,Christianity is based on the bible. The bible is a kike book. Why should I follow the same things kikes follow?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312845
48850806,48866272,2015-07-31 03:20:50,">>48866001
>-The Flood is a story against science
Many cultures have a common story of a global flood. 
God is the ultimate author of all science and knowledge.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312850
48850806,48866284,2015-07-31 03:21:13,">>48866182
Are you saying there is no reason you believe in God, you just do?
because you aren't making a lot of sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312873
48850806,48866286,2015-07-31 03:21:19,">>48866267
You are ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312879
48850806,48866289,2015-07-31 03:21:30,">>48865790
>now dumping the world's greatest scientific minds 
>who also happen to be christian
Who also happen to be long dead",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312890
48850806,48866302,2015-07-31 03:21:47,">>48866284
I believe in God because I believe in objective morals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312907
48850806,48866303,2015-07-31 03:21:47,">>48865872
Nice memed, m8",,Anonymous,God-Religious-Facebook-Status-25433-statusmind.com.jpg,3oSRBa0L1Mki24dzLUJZ+Q==,RU,,1438312907
48850806,48866318,2015-07-31 03:22:15,">>48866286
Why are you following the books the kikes follow? Does it make you feel good to be their dog?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438312935
48850806,48866320,2015-07-31 03:22:21,">>48850806
Daily reminder your mascot is gayer than the rape-child of Snoo and Ebola-chan",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438312941
48850806,48866359,2015-07-31 03:23:32,">>48866302
Buddhists do not believe in God, Buddhists believe in objective morals. 
Believing in objective morals does not mean you have to believe in God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313012
48850806,48866362,2015-07-31 03:23:34,">>48866318
I don't serve any modern ""Jews"" who are not really Jews because they don't follow the one that fulfilled the prophesies, they follow a false religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313014
48850806,48866364,2015-07-31 03:23:38,">>48865055
Maybe I used the word biblical literalism wrong.
You have to believe that the bible is true. You can say that one of the characters gave administrative power to the Vatican. But you have to believe it's true for the power to have any meaning.
If the Vatacin said 'nothing in the bible ever happened' it has no basis for it's power. It means no heaven, no sin. So no church is needed for forgivness.
>>48865209
A certain amount of faith in the bible is needed. You can look at it one way or another but if you say the whole thing is a myth it goes on the fiction-self.
I'd definitely never have children with a Christian. I wouldn't want to corrupt my child. I don't think I'd even tell him religion existed outside of RPG worlds. Let him figure it out. I've talked to atheists that were raised that way and when they first met a religious person they thought they were mentally ill.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438313018
48850806,48866369,2015-07-31 03:23:48,">>48866119
>>48866055
>>48866014
>>48865958
>>48865942
>>48865882
>>48865870
>>48865837
>>48865815
>>48865790
>>48866180
You are literally doing God's work lad, congratulation.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438313028
48850806,48866379,2015-07-31 03:24:13,">>48866359
Where do Buddhists morals come from?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313053
48850806,48866403,2015-07-31 03:24:49,">>48866362
>implying jesus fulfilled the prophecies",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438313089
48850806,48866414,2015-07-31 03:25:09,">>48866256
What are you talking about? They was not close minded, neiver am I.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1438313109
48850806,48866421,2015-07-31 03:25:27,">>48852310
this shouldn't be funny m8, it is actually scary to see people believe that DNA can dissolve the human body. Clearly, whoever said that has no common sense, and imagine that the world consists of 99.9 % of people like that. We are fucked. If a person can't understand science, how can he be capable of understanding the complex moral problems ? Maybe we still need religion, I trust these people would be out of control without it.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1438313127
48850806,48866425,2015-07-31 03:25:28,,,Anonymous,maindiff.png,yoTV7GNVAZdw0gFrzqdecg==,US,,1438313128
48850806,48866427,2015-07-31 03:25:32,">>48866289
>48865872
So what? Does that somehow invalidate their genius?
do i need to remind you that every ""modern"" scientist uses these discoveries as a foundation
I thought atheists were supposed to educated thinkers",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313132
48850806,48866439,2015-07-31 03:25:56,">>48866403
>Implying He didn't
You literally are a kike if you believe otherwise.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438313156
48850806,48866446,2015-07-31 03:26:14,">>48866379
A system of cause and effect based on the assumption that we are all of one being.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313174
48850806,48866451,2015-07-31 03:26:20,">>48866362
>they follow a false religion
Funny you say that. They follow the old part of your kike fiction dont they? The one they like to read. Since they came first who says your book did not come second because it was written by them? Take the faggot jesus telling you to turn your other cheek the enemy. Do that to a sandnigger and he will rape your sister. So why dont you go back to your kike book and wonder why they rule you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313180
48850806,48866476,2015-07-31 03:27:13,">>48866446
they have faith in their one being God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313233
48850806,48866484,2015-07-31 03:27:32,">>48866272
No science has ever come out of the bible. Physics were not learned by contacting the spirits of dead saints, chemistry was not learned by prayer.
Christians may interprete the scientific world within their own religion.
They discover a type of fish and say 'this is god's fish!'. That's really all it is.
Religion explains things in the natural world. The priest only has power when there is a supernatural world. When the priesthood loses power God loses power.
>>48866359
Which sect of Buddhism? The non-secular?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438313252
48850806,48866497,2015-07-31 03:27:54,">>48866451
I am not ruled by any false Jews, I am ruled only by the Lord.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313274
48850806,48866501,2015-07-31 03:28:04,">>48866427
>So what? Does that somehow invalidate their genius?
Yes, because nearly all of them were born before On the Origin of Species. The number of Christians in science began dropping steeply after that. 
>do i need to remind you that every ""modern"" scientist uses these discoveries as a foundation
So what? Which of their discoveries was found in the Bible? Do the mathematical discoveries of Muslim thinkers prove Islam is true?
>I thought atheists were supposed to educated thinkers
I'm not an atheist. You assumed because you're stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313284
48850806,48866508,2015-07-31 03:28:16,">>48866369
Thank you brother!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313296
48850806,48866533,2015-07-31 03:29:10,The only true Jews are the ones that follow the one he sent.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313350
48850806,48866546,2015-07-31 03:29:39,">>48866451
>Hurr kikel fixion upci pls upvot me needs le karma :^)
Christianity is inhierently anti-semitic, altough not violently. Kikes deny Jesus' sacrifice and divine nature.
You, on the other hand, are the kike's puppet. Hell, even Richard Dawkins has a rainbow-dna on his youtube profile. He's a fag lover and so are you people.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438313379
48850806,48866550,2015-07-31 03:29:49,,,Anonymous,cultstructure.jpg,MTFCb/L/LUVXWLvpPpTy3g==,US,,1438313389
48850806,48866575,2015-07-31 03:30:53,">>48866497
Kind of appropriate you would worship a faggot kike god. Does it make you feel good to know that the kikes did the same to the sandniggers? They think your faggot lord is real as well but they only think of him as a lowly man. Must make you get all in a tissy doesn't it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313453
48850806,48866610,2015-07-31 03:32:03,">>48866476
they have faith in their one being God. No they don't there are several differences between a there monism and a God.
>>48866484
depends on the sect actually, but I am thinking the lesser vehicle for this example. 
Though Buddhist metaphysics can get very complicated, like where something can be real and unreal at the same time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313523
48850806,48866615,2015-07-31 03:32:10,"Jesus's Cross has the word ""King of the Jews"" written in 3 different languages.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438313530
48850806,48866620,2015-07-31 03:32:26,">>48866575
>Hurr kikel god gibsmedat karma r/atheism
Jesus Christ retard, I already said Christianity is anti-semitic.
>>48866546
>>48866550
>Implying Richard Dawkins and his redditors don't fit this chart.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438313546
48850806,48866637,2015-07-31 03:33:00,">>48866001
>>48866069
That's cute tsun tsun you got there :3
If I were to simply read the plain meaning of the text and simply treat the Bible as some easy to read book as Luther did, sure I would arrive at the same conclusion as you do and we can raise Atheist babies together. Unfortunately you can't even get your basic theology 101 right.
Eden wouldn't be a fucking boring place if you ask me given how humanity is at its highest prestige at the time. Human beings lived in harmony with the natural order. I'm going to follow Irenaeus and say that perhaps Adam and Eve or the first human beings are somehow made immature and thus aren't really ready to actually eat the fruit yet. However Satan tempted Eve and thus both of them partook of the fruit of Wisdom which given their immature state, have a negative reaction to them, making them corrupt and sinful in their nature. Seen this way, the Snake isn't the father of civilization, it is the one which tried to kill civilization and mess things up. 
Also, most of the OT sacrifices and stuff are seen as typologies of what that is to come. If any, God's Saving work to heal humanity from its sick state would somehow requires showing and making aware the Fallen state of humanity and I guess this is done through all the OT Sacrifices and stuff. Having said that if God ask me to not love me I would rather become Eve and defy the Divine order just for you :)
The Tower of Babel seems to be a story against pride and arrogance not against science. The Flood itself is somehow viewed as a ""type"" of Baptism for the world with Christological significances to signify the incoming of the climax of God's plan.
Anyway, getting to the NT stuff, if any your first point is quite a good argument however think about it, perhaps by preventing those soldiers from killing Mary and trying to smite the infant Jesus, God is actually doing them a favor given that killing Jesus would have severe consequence. (1)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438313580
48850806,48866641,2015-07-31 03:33:05,">>48866575
You either are a man of the book and therefore a Christian or a blasphemer such as the Muslims/""Jews""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313585
48850806,48866642,2015-07-31 03:33:07,">>48866546
>Kikes deny Jesus' sacrifice and divine nature.
They don't believe it because they made it up. Your guy was a faggot that walked around with men that never had a child. They are making fools of people who proudly call themselves sheep. Too bad I don't run a abattoir.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313587
48850806,48866650,2015-07-31 03:33:21,">>48866362
HAHAHHA. Yeah fuck you. I doubt your pasty ass can even read Hebrew.
Jesus fulfilled NONE of the prophecies. But oh it's okay because he'll totally come back in our lifetimes (which he never did) to fulfill them.
Do you REALLY want to know how to enter paradise? Just obey the laws of Noah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313601
48850806,48866652,2015-07-31 03:33:26,">>48866439
>no rebuilt temple
>no kingdom
>the world is still here 
;^)",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438313606
48850806,48866691,2015-07-31 03:34:56,">>48866550
>Charismatic Leader
The Unholy Archredditor Richard Dawkins
>Secondary Leadership
Hitchens, The Amazing Atheist and other fucktards
>Inner core/party members(densely networked)
Plebdittors
>Front groups
Plebdittors
>>48866642
So edgy. You deserve and upvote.
How old are you, by the way?
Are you enjoying this fine summer, boy?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438313696
48850806,48866698,2015-07-31 03:35:11,">>48866652
The kikes didn't want him to fulfill those and broke their covenant with Jesus as he fulfilled prophesies. 
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313711
48850806,48866709,2015-07-31 03:35:36,Threadly Reminder that Athiests are unable to refute this pic,,Anonymous,1436586547371.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,AU,,1438313736
48850806,48866710,2015-07-31 03:35:45,">>48866610
I know almost nothing about their meta-physics.
Buddah's understanding of suffering is wise. There's more wisdom in that than all the bible combined.
The bible deals only with imaginary causes like sin and imaginary effects like redemption. Buddhism deals with real things and real effects.
That's part of why Buddhism is a philosophy and Christianity is not.
Although I disagree with the basic premise of Buddhism it's a solid world view.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438313745
48850806,48866723,2015-07-31 03:36:13,">/pol/ has turned into nothing but autistic reddit shitters and JIDF slide threads
I OCCUPY THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF CHRIST",,Anonymous,1426361462626.jpg,gLpJBYTu9cNZ/+umfMxsfA==,MK,,1438313773
48850806,48866735,2015-07-31 03:36:46,">>48866620
>>Implying Richard Dawkins and his redditors don't fit this chart.
Which parts? I've never heard Dawkins claim he can save people from an imminent apocalypse. But if you have a quote where he did this, I am receptive to it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313806
48850806,48866740,2015-07-31 03:36:53,EAT MY OPPRESSIVE CHRISTIAN DICK AUTSITS,,Anonymous,1426361276774.jpg,otMzy8takPj7HA8JkUCpvw==,MK,,1438313813
48850806,48866744,2015-07-31 03:37:08,">>48866710
Is Buddah your God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313828
48850806,48866749,2015-07-31 03:37:20,">>48866691
Read the bottom part and tell me which parts fit Dawkins. Also why does that particular guy make you so angry?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313840
48850806,48866759,2015-07-31 03:37:50,,,Anonymous,1426361649526.jpg,e3ShKDg7Bhw78jkEMhuKMw==,MK,,1438313870
48850806,48866770,2015-07-31 03:38:31,,,Anonymous,1426364730229.jpg,VhWFqJ67IqdIMt0p1MaIGw==,MK,,1438313911
48850806,48866774,2015-07-31 03:38:42,"Daily reminder that once these fucktards take over /pol/ they will pave the way for other degenerate pieces of multiculturalist and LGBBQTARD shits.
>>48866723
>>48866709
>>48866723
>>48866740
>>48866759
Based
>>48866735
Millitant atheists act just as bad as the ""christfags"" you hate. These plebdittors actively hate on religion because they have nothing better to do.
Also, there are atheist churches that recieve donations. What the fuck.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438313922
48850806,48866787,2015-07-31 03:39:01,,,Anonymous,1426364617264.jpg,zQW8m/l8MNeA0sEIpJYIFg==,MK,,1438313941
48850806,48866790,2015-07-31 03:39:08,">>48850806
>pic is literally an edgy autist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313948
48850806,48866808,2015-07-31 03:39:50,">>48866774
>Millitant atheists act just as bad as the ""christfags"" you hate. These plebdittors actively hate on religion because they have nothing better to do.
This doesn't answer what I asked you. I said to show me a quote where Dawkins claims he can save people from an imminent apocalypse. Do you have one or not?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313990
48850806,48866812,2015-07-31 03:39:58,">>48866641
Ex-Mormon me boy-o. They are more insane than you and I have stripped their beliefs to the core. Kind of like the Romans did to your faggot lord. It makes me wonder how shitty your life is that you need to talk with a person like me at this time.
>>48866691
>How old are you, by the way?
30 years old my goodman. Want to know a plan of mine. I want to start to make money off of your beliefs. I want to make a VR simulation of the crucifixion of your lord and sell it with the Rift comes out. You can whip him and crown him with thorns an everything.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438313998
48850806,48866842,2015-07-31 03:41:09,">>48852924
>makes propagandistic demeaning claim without citing a single source
>audience laps it up, hurr durr dumb kike-worshippers!
Atheism, not even once.
>>48853658
No-one tries to respond because it's moronic, I wouldn't try to respond to a dog shitting in the park either, I would just walk away.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438314069
48850806,48866850,2015-07-31 03:41:17,">>48866069
Anyways I'm gonna skip past all the rants and get to the main point about all the stuff Jesus did. What Jesus did is basically sanctify the entirety of existence and heal the drastic effects of the Fall and he does this not through purging the world of sinners but by an act of outpouring his love for the world upon them through those acts you describe. I mean sure Jesus could've go all OT and killed everyone and launch a global crusade against everyone else but that wouldn't be so loving now would it? The act of Jesus hanging out with all the scum of society shows that He comes for all that the Divine Love of God is all inclusive and will even interpenetrate all of existence itself even its lowest ends. If any what Jesus did is to be the ultimate human being and shows his mercy by playing 'passive aggressive'. 
From your point about the Sacrifice you seem to be thinking about it in Western terms. I'm going to copy and paste a bit from the IEP,
>In saying that initially Christ entered ""our nature,"" Gregory is echoing the typical Eastern Christian understanding of Christ's saving work; for according to that tradition, Christ healed the effects of the fall of humankind in the same way as he healed the sick in his earthly ministry--simply by touching. Moreover, because, as Gregory of Nazianzus put it, ""what was not assumed was not healed"" (Letters 101.5), Christ had to touch all aspects of human existence from birth to death (Great Catechism 27 [69 - 72], 32 [77 - 80]). Thus the former had to wait until the disease of human sinfulness had fully manifested itself (Great Catechism 29 [73 - 76]). And by submitting to the latter, Christ offered himself in bondage to Satan in exchange for the whole of humanity, whom Satan then had under his tyranny (Great Catechism 22 - 24 [60 - 65]).",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438314077
48850806,48866855,2015-07-31 03:41:24,,,Anonymous,1426712557565-0.jpg,IFV4boidKOQg9ZGmVrspcg==,MK,,1438314084
48850806,48866880,2015-07-31 03:42:28,">>48866709
It was refuted several times a few different ways. No one has made a new picture yet.
>>48866710
That would depend on your definition of solid world view. 
bedt ime now, I stayed up to late arguing again",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438314148
48850806,48866889,2015-07-31 03:42:47,">>48866808
I'll take the statements in order.
>>48866550
1.No.
2.Depends. Donations to atheist churches, as I've said.
3.Redditors really like severing family ties because their parents are such religious bigots. So, yes.
4.""Freedumb from muh religiunz""
5.""Muhdoctrination to kiek myhz""
6.Yes, actually. If you criticize militant atheists in any way or for you are a kike-loving bigot :^)
7.YES AND YES. SO MUCH OF THIS.
You fuckers keep targeting children because most reasonable adults don't fall for your shit.
>inb4 redditors will twist my own words against me",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438314167
48850806,48866922,2015-07-31 03:44:01,">>48866812
>Implying you have the coding resources for that
>Implying you aren't a wasted neckbeard in his mother's basement that is currently checking his reddit PM's",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438314241
48850806,48866949,2015-07-31 03:45:18,">>48866889
As you've admitted here, it doesn't fit all of the criteria and is therefore not a cult. You have also lied on several of them.
There is no official book of atheism, Dawkins has never ever told anybody they must sell their belongings to follow him, etc.
I cannot read some of your answers because of weird misspellings. Why do you do that? Is your brain ok? 
>You fuckers keep targeting children because most reasonable adults don't fall for your shit.
No, that's what you do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438314318
48850806,48866961,2015-07-31 03:45:45,FUCKING PICK ONE,,Anonymous,1438046347365-0.jpg,jjpLzzxcLwRX3UfKmGaM5w==,MK,,1438314345
48850806,48866972,2015-07-31 03:46:17,>>48866961,,Anonymous,godwarrior.jpg,fZGECBc2aCqUvrF1q+WhOw==,US,,1438314377
48850806,48866994,2015-07-31 03:47:15,,,Anonymous,1436401231967-0.jpg,QrU7i5I6n1jPh+HrgBIFdA==,MK,,1438314435
48850806,48867006,2015-07-31 03:47:40,">>48866949
>No official book
Plenty unofficial, lad. Downvoted.
>No. that's what you do
>Implying only we do that
Kek, keep lying to yourself
>Is your brain ok?
Not enough reddit, probably.
Translated for your simple head:
>Freedom from muh religion
>Indoctrination to muh kike myths
>>48866972
Oooh, a selfie!",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438314460
48850806,48867014,2015-07-31 03:47:57,">>48866637
You've changed the story but the message is still the same.
Eden is a story that says 'man is weak, he is not capable of doing things without God' 
You changed the story to be against pride which is how you FUCKING GET SHIT DONE. It is the confident, arrogant ones that attempt great things. One of those things being Science.
I didn't realize this till I read Nietzche but every single thing in Christianity whether it is the Catholic dogma or the bible itself is done for the priesthood's own good.
God and the priesthood are interchangable. When Eden says man cannot survive without God it is saying man cannot survive without the priesthood. Thus the priesthood must make men feel they are weak.
The confident man says ""I am God""
This is the type of man Nietzche wants to breed.
The weak man says ""I need a God""
This is the type of man the priesthood wants to breed.
The modern atheist says ""I don't need God!""
He's taken the first step but still has a ways to go.
If I was raised Catholic I would have come to the exact same conclusions. I would have just done it faster. Believing that the universe was literally created in 7 days helped me stay Christian because it means that God has a presence in cosmology.
If I was born Catholic I probably would have stopped being Christian at 7 instead of 12.
Also why do you suspect I'm a grill...i might be but I wont say.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438314477
48850806,48867030,2015-07-31 03:48:21,">>48866922
I dont need to code in the age of Stack Overflow you tard. Its like I bang my head on the keyboard like this
;oi[jeasa;wo
alsg.,/tawe3a';wu ta
tw;veuase tye.je
And people will tell me where I went wrong.
>Implying you aren't a wasted neckbeard in his mother's basement that is currently checking his reddit PM's
Actually just got done with a few threads on some other boards and decided to come to the monkey cage and sling poo. This thread looked ripe because godfags always love to hear people insult their beliefs. Its like some sort of cute self flagellation that I can get into. Makes me almost hard when I think about it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438314501
48850806,48867062,2015-07-31 03:49:40,">>48867030
/adv/ and /co/, I gather?
I really hope you kike puppets keep out of /tg/",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438314580
48850806,48867080,2015-07-31 03:50:13,">>48866364
Yes you are right. However you can't just be narrow minded as the American Evangelicals and make false dichotomies. 
I bet deep down you actually want to raise your children as Christian especially when Christianity is the best weapon against degeneracy. Still by not even telling your child about the existence of religion outside of fiction it's akin to raising my children to think that science is bull and that Atheists are totally depraved individuals without morals. The same child in question would view the Atheists as someone who is mentally ill. Fundamentalism can go both ways.
Don't worry OuterLimits-chan, I promise I'll give our children free reign over their own personal beliefs and make sure they wouldn't be degenerate :3",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438314613
48850806,48867098,2015-07-31 03:50:54,">>48867006
>Plenty unofficial, lad. Downvoted.
I agree, unofficial. However none of them contain any requirements to be an atheist, much less ones in line with cult practices.
>Implying only we do that
So you admit Christianity does it?
>Translated for your simple head:
>Freedom from muh religion
>Indoctrination to muh kike myths
Those do not seem to correspond to the original traits laid out in the image. Did you read them? Have you made a mistake? 
You are making what you must realize are huge, indefensible stretches to force atheism to fit. Based on one or two superficial similarities and a bunch of lies. 
The fact that an atheist once said a thing to you does not make that a tenet of atheism. We're discussing actual hard, official traits of a religion laid down in a holy text.
You're flinging shit and saying ""I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I"" like a child.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438314654
48850806,48867139,2015-07-31 03:52:27,">>48867098
I mean, it preaches to children. But when our children grow up, they do not become degenerate fuckers like yours do.
Most degenerates are atheists. Deal with it. You are tolerated here as long as you have right-wing beliefs, not welcome.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438314747
48850806,48867165,2015-07-31 03:53:32,">>48867062
Oh fuck no. I am a waifu fag from /a/. Normally I only come in here when I am getting ready for bed. Sort of punching bag thing. 4chan has been good to my heart for the fact I can come on here and find some poor sap to friend after flinging the right kind of feces. In the end this god shit does not bug me like it use to. This thread was more of a means to an end ma boy.
Pic related: Sakurako is the cutest in her kimono.",,Anonymous,kimono.png,sZKQK+eK3EEOoqWF5jZJHQ==,US,,1438314812
48850806,48867184,2015-07-31 03:54:21,>>48867165,,Anonymous,1436639389913.gif,VesWcFrKy53V3etu+wkZsA==,RO,,1438314861
48850806,48867192,2015-07-31 03:54:48,">>48867139
>I mean, it preaches to children.
I went to a private Christian school which taught six day creation. What goes on there is indoctrination.
>But when our children grow up, they do not become degenerate fuckers like yours do.
What you mean is that they have the social moores of a man living 2,000 years ago.
>Most degenerates are atheists. Deal with it.
The single greatest human being on Earth is an atheist. Pic related. There is not and never will be a Christian who remotely compares.",,Anonymous,elonmusk.jpg,eCDzlH4TUaZ4cc1vBwvtnw==,US,,1438314888
48850806,48867228,2015-07-31 03:56:21,">>48867192
>Social moores of a man living two thousand years ago
So you are pro-degeneracy, you fucker?
Color me surprised!
>Single greatest human being on Earth
Literally who the fuck is that faggot. His haircut gives his faggotry away",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438314981
48850806,48867238,2015-07-31 03:56:43,">>48867184
That image was perfect until Chi got killed. Whatever did she do to you?",,Anonymous,1431486695213.jpg,MAolxacFygPbv+Pb84DdHw==,US,,1438315003
48850806,48867263,2015-07-31 03:57:38,">>48867014
Once one acknowledges that God exists and is the one sustaining all of Creation, you have to inevitably accept that you can't really do anything without God given that his active sustenance of the world is what allows shit to be done in the first place.
Arrogance isn't the way to get shit done. It clouds the mind and leads one to overlook important aspects and variables at times. Not really something I want if I am a scientist. Even then, if one follows Karl Popper's falsifiability criterion for a good scientific theory, one must be humble enough to actually subject their theory upon multiple tests and accept it should that said theory be wrong. 
I ain't wanna spoil this for you but Nietzche's concept of the Overman is somehow similar to the EO concept of Theosis or ironically an Atheistic version of it. It seems Weber is right when he contends that the ghosts of past systems would haunt the present one. 
 >Also why do you suspect I'm a grill...i might be but I wont say.
So implying that you are actually a grill? 
Post pic now :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438315058
48850806,48867269,2015-07-31 03:57:50,">>48867228
>Literally who the fuck is that faggot. 
www.spacex.com
www.teslamotors.com
>His haircut gives his faggotry away
Pic related",,Anonymous,elonfamily.jpg,6o4glH38ccXsKB5SAsd5MA==,US,,1438315070
48850806,48867271,2015-07-31 03:57:52,">>48867238
:^)",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438315072
48850806,48867280,2015-07-31 03:58:05,">>48867192
I have such a hardon for Elon Musk",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438315085
48850806,48867317,2015-07-31 03:59:27,">>48867280
Faggot
>>48867269
Oh, he makes electric cars. That is very respectable indeed, but greatest person? Debatable.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438315167
48850806,48867407,2015-07-31 04:02:43,">>48867317
>Oh, he makes electric cars.
And spaceships. You left that out ""for some reason"". ;)",,Anonymous,dragoncapsule.png,uaJe6NDgHEZyBA+8FDjI4w==,US,,1438315363
48850806,48867431,2015-07-31 04:04:00,">>48855645
>tfw ChrISTIANITY is probably the root word for INSANITY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438315440
48850806,48867469,2015-07-31 04:05:10,">>48867407
I just opened the fucking site and realized ""Tesla"" is an electric car company. Had no idea about making spaceships. If they do, so much the better.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438315510
48850806,48867517,2015-07-31 04:07:14,">>48867431
>yfw ATHEISM general is the root for r/atheism",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438315634
48850806,48867520,2015-07-31 04:07:24,">>48867469
SpaceX does. It's another of his companies. He is also on the board of Solar City, a company his brother started. 
Other examples of private spaceflight companies include Virgin Galactic and Armadillo Aerospace, both also started by atheists (Richard Branson and John Carmack)
Unless you're using a Mac, the operating system you're using right now was originally created by an atheist.",,Anonymous,dragoncapsule2.png,tlmmDBVg+ynM6CNapm9lbg==,US,,1438315644
48850806,48867539,2015-07-31 04:08:16,">>48867520
They're not vocal autists that shit and piss themselves if they see religious things, so no, I'm not really bothered by the fact.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438315696
48850806,48867541,2015-07-31 04:08:19,">>48856961
>maybe if I capitalize the plural noun god then they will believe me!
>God! 
Christianity, not even once. At least after I was 12 years old.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438315699
48850806,48867547,2015-07-31 04:08:29,">>48867520
the internet is christian created.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438315709
48850806,48867552,2015-07-31 04:08:40,">>48867271
I have an odd question for you. Sorry if this gets long but I like drama and need a stage to paint my vision. What do you plan on doing when we star replacing parts of our brains with something different? 
For example in the classic anime Ghost in the Shell they replace the parts of your brain that are generic with machine parts creating a cyberbrain. We all have skills that overlap that we can relegate to simple logic devices. These devices can be mass produced and we can simply make a template machine brain that we slam your unique brain parts into. In the anime they called this process cyberization and some people had it all the way up to 98.9% of their brains. What was left over were your core memories that cannot be replicated. The ghost of your former self that is now in an immortal box.
Proof of concepts that take us there now being used.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-remote-control-mouse-brain-with-drugs-and-light-20150727-gil6nj.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306452201000926",,Anonymous,1427636004547.png,RdY2xvGVndbP6bQPLX3MZA==,US,,1438315720
48850806,48867571,2015-07-31 04:09:34,">>48867317
Why don't you get off this board you dirty Gypsie child stealer. Whose fucking house did you have to break into to get internet access? Did you just finish raping their infant daughter when you noticed a computer running in the corner? No wonder you've never heard of Elon Musk, honestly I doubt you've never listened to anything other than the briefing your state provided defense lawyer gave you when you had to explain to the judge why you should be let off after your third offense of public masturbation in a school. Go fucking steal a white girl to sell into sexual bondage you disgusting roadkill eating fuck.",,Anonymous,cuck.jpg,z1OaLrIXhIogRqY7fi8QiQ==,US,,1438315774
48850806,48867608,2015-07-31 04:11:14,">>48867552
I'll deny them. Unless you are bunch of fucking tumblrites, you wouldn't force them on me.
I am all for genetic modification in humans(Going even as far as changing the composition of Neurons to make them function more efficiently.), because I believe that does not ""kill the soul""
>>48867571
Oooh, I struck a nerve",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438315874
48850806,48867631,2015-07-31 04:12:15,">>48867080
In your compassion you added the rule 'teaching kids that science is bullshit. Which is not a far compassion.
Children that are raised Christian and see a Buddhist, Muslim, or atheist do not think they are mentally ill. They might think they are wrong.
Look I'll give you this. Catholicism is the best type of Christianity. There are better religions though. Buddhism for instance. And even better than Buddhism are ethnic based religions like Zionism and Confucianism (although you need to be the right ethnicity).
Degeneracy is usually the result of a bad value system. I do not need a religion to teach my child a value system. He will be even stronger without religion because he will know that values are based on consequences not the authority of a sky-wizard.
Atheism is both the best and the worst religion because it gives the most freedom. That includes the freedom to totally shoot yourself in the foot or to become the Overman.
Besides the Catholic Church is becoming so leftist they will give Karl Marx saint-hood.",,OuterLimits,1416572999159.jpg,jFcAEd7trRImpZDvEz5QYg==,US,,1438315935
48850806,48867677,2015-07-31 04:14:09,">>48867547
Citation please",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316049
48850806,48867701,2015-07-31 04:14:58,">>48867539
That's just how you percieve any atheist who ever disputes your religion. Because it flatters you, and makes it easier to dismiss their arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316098
48850806,48867702,2015-07-31 04:15:00,">>48867608
>you wouldn't force them on me.
You people always skip to the forcing. If anything I am scared you will stop me. Its not like I ever cared what you guys do as long as you keep me out of it. That is what most of our beliefs boil down to don't cha know? A sort of hippy fucking live let live policy if you want to call it something.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316100
48850806,48867719,2015-07-31 04:15:42,">>48867608
I'll strike your fucking spinal nerve you gypsy motherfucker and make you paraplegic so you'll never work again, but that's not a problem since you never worked in the first place parasite.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438316142
48850806,48867729,2015-07-31 04:15:59,">>48867014
You're both ignorant of Genesis because that wasn't the point of the story of Adam and Eve in Eden. God commanded them, for he was the Lord God father of all. They disobeyed their father, they were given into temptation and are drone something God had wanted his children to be spared from. He put two trees, the tree of Life (unity) and the tree of good and evil (duality). He wanted all life to be sacred, all life to be precious, all life to be innocent. Yet the serpent (who I believe to be the manifestation of the darker half of God which he split from himself) tempted Eve to eat from it. Thus Eve gave into the darkness and ate. She saw the world in two, the darkness and the light. It wasn't about pride or us relying upon God. It was about our father wanting to spare us from his suffering. We instead ate, we broke our innocence and the bible all of it is the Lord guiding us. He is helping us. 
Faith is not evil, faith gives strength to the will and the Human resiliance. It is man who had corrupted the word of God. It is man who has corrupted politics. It is man who corrupted his own innocence. 
You condemn religion yet we will all kneel before the lord, because he has allowed us to grow strong in our values, our morals, and our love for our fellow man. 
I ask of you, that do not blame God for keeping you down, he wants us to be with him. Blame yourself for your own failure. Be happy of your own achievements. But don't codemn religion because you don't understand.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316159
48850806,48867761,2015-07-31 04:17:26,">>48867719
Oooooh!
>>48867701
You aren't that polite anyways tbh. No respect offered no respect given.
>>48867702
Atheists are 90% lefties. Of course they'll start forcing transhumanist shit one day. They'll start with electronic chips, I assume.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438316246
48850806,48867789,2015-07-31 04:18:44,">>48867635
Check this pic btw",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438316324
48850806,48867902,2015-07-31 04:22:27,">>48867631
You do know that such is quite a theme in American Protestantism right? Plus have you even heard of Presuppositional Apologetics, check that shit out and you would see that my comparison isn't that far fetched. 
Confucianism is really more of a philosophical system than religion. I mean a Chinese can easily be a Buddhist, Taoist or Confucianist at the same time. I might be Christian in my mindset and thinking but I'll let this out of the bag, I like Buddhism and Confucianism as philosophical systems. They are actually quite close to Eastern Orthodoxy IMO.
You are right to say that degeneracy is the result of a bad value system and that you need not have to raise your child in a religious household to teach him/her that. However people are not completely rational beings. We fall prey to various defects be it arrogance or absent mindedness. We don't know much about the external world around us or even if there's one to begin with. Sometimes one have to just take a leap of faith. 
I can't wait to venerate St Marx. 
But on a more serious note, post pic of yourself :^)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438316547
48850806,48867916,2015-07-31 04:23:04,">>48867263
Pride builds nations. Every nation builder in the distance path thought they were divine.
Calling pride a sin is the path to breeding a weak people. For fuck sake's it's the basis for being a patriot. And it's on the Church's 7 list of worst things ever!
Theosis sounds like something Soren Kierkegaard would say. There are a lot of people think Christianity can be compatable with this or that.
But Christianity has a core soul and a value system. And if you try to attach an idea that doesn't with it you will destroy the religion.
I understand Christianity perfectly. Because I used to think like a Christian. Nietzsche was right that in his time there was no greater enemy than the church.
God is Man's rival. 
Perhaps now the SJW are a greater enemy but the church is still on my hit list too. 
>i might be a qt3.14 neet anime loli",,OuterLimits,1416574547679.jpg,TrzByHBGfUzAzebNhlTyUA==,US,,1438316584
48850806,48867945,2015-07-31 04:24:13,">>48851970
Is there a video if this?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438316653
48850806,48867964,2015-07-31 04:25:03,">>48867916
No, pride makes you think you are superior to your brothers and unity with your family is true strength.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316703
48850806,48867990,2015-07-31 04:26:08,">>48867761
>they'll start forcing
You keep bringing up force. Its beyond me why a super intelligence you would need enslave the unwilling. You have this idea that any of us would stay on this planet with the way its going. Do you know what my plan is? To build a dyson sphere somewhere in the galaxy. I dont care how long it takes me to accelerate to C. If I am a machine I can just run simulations of how to build the sphere since the man that came up with it thinks its not possible. It will take me a long time to reach any system I choose so I will have some time. When I get there I will build something that will make you gods creation look like windup toy. Fuck there goes my hubris again....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316768
48850806,48868005,2015-07-31 04:26:42,>ITT atheists who were to lazy to actually read the Bible,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438316802
48850806,48868026,2015-07-31 04:27:35,">>48867990
Your post reeks of tumblr special snowflakery. Fuck off, you don't belong here.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438316855
48850806,48868107,2015-07-31 04:31:53,">>48868005
But I did. It was rubbish. It's the ravings of some Israeli nationalists, with endless rants on how not living your life as some dimwit from thousands of years ago wanted you to will make the world end.
If you consider this wisdom, you should seriously reconsider your definition of the word wisdom",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438317113
48850806,48868115,2015-07-31 04:32:07,">>48867990
My Gods creation was the Universe, so good luck.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438317127
48850806,48868129,2015-07-31 04:32:29,">>48867916
You do know who else also have pride, Presuppositionalists and the extreme Calvinists. 
I grant that certain types of pride are good such as patriotism but such forms of pride are also endorsed by Christianity itself. Humanity is seen as the literal breath of God bestowed with the capacity to reason and have free choice. Yet while such pride is good we cannot get ahead of ourselves and turn into a bunch of Nietchzes. We have to acknowledge our weaknesses and look for ways to get past them 
The idea of Theosis has been around since the beginning of Christianity itself. Now it's only present in the EOs and OOs though. Can't really find much of this in Catholicism and even more less in Protestantism.
I know you understand Christianity but that's just the typical nutjob fundamentalists that even I can't agree with. My one and a half years in college had been quite a hell because of this and ironically quite interesting as well.
Your teasing is cute, but please post a pic of yourself to prove your point :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,1452514_435543413235899_884940175_n.jpg,021G5adMfcXuksHMyKI1mw==,MY,,1438317149
48850806,48868146,2015-07-31 04:33:09,">>48868005
>>ITT atheists who were to lazy to actually read the Bible
Attended sunday school/church for years. It's bullshit and you know it. Even parents who forced me to church said it's mostly bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438317189
48850806,48868157,2015-07-31 04:33:43,">>48867729
Yeah basically humans are fucking stupid. We need God.
Replace the word 'god' with 'the priesthood' and we see what is going on
""We instead ate, we broke our innocence and the bible all of it is the Lord guiding us. He is helping us. ""
Take this sentence and replace the 'the priesthood' and you will see how revolting your story is.
>>48867902
A value system starts as rational. Than it becomes habit. At last instinct. The mind is never absent, what you call absent minded is simply instincts you do not like. The hatred for 'instincts' is another thing Nietzsche had against Christianity although he puts that origin in Socrates and even further back the Stoics. Passions should be embraced.
Leaps of faith are not needed. All events are a consequence of another event, an eternal flow. Nothing leaps, everything flows and is connected. Your reasoning should be the same. Even the supposed 'leap' is just instincts in your mind at play.
>If I post pictures of myself all the mystery vanishes!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438317223
48850806,48868164,2015-07-31 04:34:01,">>48868146
>Protestants",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438317241
48850806,48868168,2015-07-31 04:34:07,">>48868107
What's story who was the father of Noah? without looking on Google.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438317247
48850806,48868218,2015-07-31 04:36:02,">>48865942
>>48865882
>>48865870
>>48865837
Do you have downs? All these men were born before On the Origin of Species was even published, before the concept of Evolution had even been postulated. You literally had to go hundreds of years in the past to find these men (Argument from authority ) some even born before the scientific method was created.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438317362
48850806,48868237,2015-07-31 04:36:46,">>48868157
I'm Protestant, so I don't believe in the priesthood. :P Did you read Genesis or are you just going to prove my point?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438317406
48850806,48868263,2015-07-31 04:38:01,">>48867916
Nietzsche was a fool. Pride accomplishes nothing. Extreme pride is indistinguishable from arrogance and alienates your fellow man. No man is an island, you can't 'get shit done' by yourself and by yourself is exactly where you'll be if you advocate traits that make people dislike you.
Unity and harmony is how you get things done. By conflict resolution and staying humble you can guide people to greater deeds than anything you could have done with a misplaced sense of pride.
Nietzsche's philosophy reads like an angry outcast of society, which is why it appeals so much to angsty teenagers who believe society shuns them. You can't accomplish anything without it though, you need to work within it.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438317481
48850806,48868289,2015-07-31 04:39:30,">>48868129
Christianity becomes less degenerate the more it moves away from a priesthood. Of course the bible itself is the will of a priesthood.
No we cannot all be Nietzsche's it would not even be desirable if we could. We need people in all types of life. Basically life is a caste system and each caste needs different people. Nietzche had some praise for Hinduism because of their highly organized caste system with each one working to perfect itself. He saw the untouchable caste as a stupid idea because it's a caste that serves no purpose.
Of course with America's love of FREEDOM we cannot have a legally binding caste system but the basic of specialized cultures for specialized people that all work to advance the 1 nation can still be applied.
>My hair is a mess. No pictures!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438317570
48850806,48868327,2015-07-31 04:41:42,">>48868157
Honestly I used to think the same too until I realized that doing so is hugely egotistical and makes me no different from the SJWs and all the progressive shit going on today. I'm merely 'changing' morality such that I could do whatever I want. This is why while passions can be embraced, it must be controlled. The issue isn't that sex or eating is bad, it is the excessive of those things that would be bad. This is why Aristotle has this thing called doctrine of the mean. 
You need leaps of faith before you can actually get anywhere, otherwise we are just stuck debating whether or not we are all trapped in the matrix or not and gain nothing in the long run. Either way you are right that everything is merely the consequences of complex and chaotic causes that are at play. Nothing that exists can exist independently over everything. The only entity that is capable of this is God who is transcendent above all else. 
I like your shyness. It's cute. Why not wear a mask then? :3
Daily reminder that I love you (｡･ω･｡)ﾉ",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438317702
48850806,48868369,2015-07-31 04:43:09,">>48868237
The priesthood wrote your fucking bible.
>>48868263
Nietzsche is not advocating isolationism. He was actually a very high standing member of society until he wrote the later half of his books which criticized Christianity. You should actually read his fucking books. They are very uplifting, anti-Christ kind of stands out as the one with the most negative tone though, it's what I focus on talking about because it's the only one directly related to atheism.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438317789
48850806,48868397,2015-07-31 04:44:31,">>48868168
Don't know. I couldn't care less about boring trivia like that.
What I do know though is that the story is a direct rip off of the Epic of Atrahasis",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438317871
48850806,48868404,2015-07-31 04:44:52,">>48868289
The hierarchical order of the universe as detailed by Pseudo Dionysius actually presents something similar to a sort of caste system and the best part about this is that there's no untouchables as well. Each of these hierarchies in this system thus tries to perfect itself and have the responsibility of perfecting those below it.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438317892
48850806,48868412,2015-07-31 04:45:20,">>48868369
>Hurr le priesthood did it cuz I sez so.
Proofs?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438317920
48850806,48868442,2015-07-31 04:46:27,">>48868289
I like messy hair. I won't mock or laugh at you. I promise :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438317987
48850806,48868497,2015-07-31 04:48:41,">>48851548
This is the first /pol/ OC I've fapped to. Post more atheism-chan.",,Anonymous,1403099235623.png,9Hmofr0UpULBhDRUJCqcMw==,GB,,1438318121
48850806,48868534,2015-07-31 04:50:02,">>48868497
Why do you masturbate?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438318202
48850806,48868562,2015-07-31 04:50:53,">>48868327
What you said about how having no objective measurment of morality is true. Myself, the atheists, you, the SJW, and Nietzsche all just had their own perspective and apply their own logic.
I am interested in shaping my own little part of the world, the SJW are interested in turning it into a shape I do not like. I see nothing good in their plans. No need for philosophizing, they are an enemy.
The thing about the Matrix argument is it's rather useless. There is no plan how to escape or defeat the matrix so it's usless.
Looking at it consequentially the idea seems like a distraction and a way to invalidate everything in the world. Bad idea! Throw it away!
You sound like sort of weird Deist, spiritualist, that is culturally Christian.
>put on a mask
I have no masks. What one would I even wear?
Besides if I take a picture everyone can see me not just you!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438318253
48850806,48868599,2015-07-31 04:52:39,">>48868412
Malaysiafag just posted a video made by Christians trying to prove how the priesthood wrote the new testament and faithfully preserved that one writing for the last 2k years.
>>48868442
What if I'm a 6 foot tall man instead of a 3 feet tall loli?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438318359
48850806,48868629,2015-07-31 04:54:05,">>48868497
Fuck philosophy and rationality.
We can win the battle with cute girls!
We need to get on in on this fast atheist bros before the Christians turn all 12 apostles into lolis!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438318445
48850806,48868690,2015-07-31 04:56:38,">>48868562
And there you have it. You are doing something for egotistical reasons. You only hate the SJWs not because they are a threat to everyone and civilization as a whole but because you simply have a disgust towards it.
I know the Matrix argument is useless because debating over it would not get us anywhere at all. 
Call me what you want but you will always be my one and only Tsun chan.
>I have no masks. What one would I even wear?
Anything that can cover your face is good enough. Even covering your face with a bagpack is cute. 
>Besides if I take a picture everyone can see me not just you!
But wouldn't it be great to share your beauty to the world?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438318598
48850806,48868714,2015-07-31 04:57:35,">>48868599
>What if I'm a 6 foot tall man instead of a 3 feet tall loli?
Ermm....post pics I guess",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438318655
48850806,48868743,2015-07-31 04:58:46,">>48868690
>>I have no masks. What one would I even wear?
>Anything that can cover your face is good enough. Even covering your face with a bagpack is cute.
>>Besides if I take a picture everyone can see me not just you!
>But wouldn't it be great to share your beauty to the world?
I was told to come here and see the cancer for myself. This has nothing to do with atheism T_T If you want to hit on her you should ask her for her email silly.",,Maple-Syrup-Kun,,,CA,,1438318726
48850806,48868776,2015-07-31 05:00:07,">>48868629
Yes you are right. We already got Christ Chan for that :) We have already won. All you are doing is simply copying Christ Chan and making her that which she is not.
Don't worry, we will have you too in due time :3",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438318807
48850806,48868875,2015-07-31 05:04:20,">>48868743
Hey there's nothing cancerous about what I did ok. It's cute. You are probably pissed off that it isn't a grill doing that to you.
Also, can I haz email please OuterLimits-chan?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438319060
48850806,48868886,2015-07-31 05:04:38,">>48868743
Are you a good friend or a rival?
>>48868690
Yep. You are right and I have no problem with acting on my ego. I cannot act on anyone els's ego only mine.
But that doesn't mean I will turn into a raving hedonist. Although plenty of atheists will because they have zero respect for culture, don't read philosophy, and think spiritualism has no meaning other than buying healing crystals. Oh well they are making baby steps, they seem to have a hard on for 'secular humanism' which seems to be an incredibly undeveloped way of thinking.
BTW I don't know much about Buddhism. Would you be willing to write a pastebin on it's philosophy or just anything else?",,OuterLimits,1331302075507.jpg,m4Ht/U6A6xR1T/UucTNdYQ==,US,,1438319078
48850806,48868930,2015-07-31 05:06:37,">>48868875
b-baka why would I do that?
>>48868776
We have OC! And it's way better than your degenerate religions OC! At least it will be when someone colors it.
There are no artists in this thread.",,OuterLimits,1437719051053.jpg,2hWOK1cgsj3hlWlfr7U9+g==,US,,1438319197
48850806,48868932,2015-07-31 05:06:44,">>48868875
>You are probably pissed off that it isn't a grill doing that to you
0/10. If a thread is about something you should stick to the topic and leave spamming love messages to emails.
Why would I be jealous when there is no proof shes even a girl anyways and I already have a lesbian lover. Dont be silly.",,Maple-Syrup-Kun,,,CA,,1438319204
48850806,48868945,2015-07-31 05:07:15,">>48868886
>Are you a good friend or a rival?
Of whos?",,Maple-Syrup-Kun,,,CA,,1438319235
48850806,48868954,2015-07-31 05:07:36,">>48868886
>BTW I don't know much about Buddhism. Would you be willing to write a pastebin on it's philosophy or just anything else?
I might but only if you upload a picture of yourself first :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438319256
48850806,48868958,2015-07-31 05:07:40,">>48868743
Shh. Don't spoil my anime. I need the grand reveal in one of these episodes.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438319260
48850806,48868995,2015-07-31 05:09:41,">>48868932
Because secretly your lesbian lover have cuck fetish. Plus frigging hell I had been making arguments related to the board this whole time besides conveying my love for Tsun chan.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,1398951811.jpg,BK6Yp+uEsRDLFdGPlm5OQQ==,MY,,1438319381
48850806,48869015,2015-07-31 05:10:41,>mfw this thread,,Anonymous,1438329673399.gif,9pqS85J78j2PbHtL6M/7PQ==,FR,,1438319441
48850806,48869049,2015-07-31 05:11:48,">>48868930
You can always make requests at the /pol/ Drawthread,
>>48816928
I can't wait to see an influx of Fedora-chan OCs.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438319508
48850806,48869057,2015-07-31 05:11:57,">>48868995
>Because secretly your lesbian lover have cuck fetish
Can lesbians be cucks? Iv never heard of this. Usually its girls who want better sex with men. Time to investigate.
I know you have been making ""arguments"" but still, just email your adoration to her silly. You are acting like a teenage boy who has never talked to a real girl before.",,Maple-Syrup-Kun,,,CA,,1438319517
48850806,48869105,2015-07-31 05:14:01,">>48869057
>You are acting like a teenage boy who has never talked to a real girl before.
b-but that's what I'm :(
Anyways, enjoy investigating. Perhaps it might ignite the cuck fetish within you that was dormant.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438319641
48850806,48869137,2015-07-31 05:15:20,">>48869015
OH I HAVE THE PERFECT VIDEO FOR THIS",,Maple-Syrup-Kun,1421735594036.webm,Kmi4kcCAmRlrWsOOmarO6w==,CA,,1438319720
48850806,48869177,2015-07-31 05:17:17,">>48869057
>I know you have been making ""arguments"" but still, just email your adoration to her silly. You are acting like a teenage boy who has never talked to a real girl before.
Can you not see this is true love? Why must you think they should keep their love hidden? Do you not seen tsun-chan enchants Malaysia-san? And that tsun-chan cherishes him with all her heart? They absolutely complete one another... Its so kawaii.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438319837
48850806,48869217,2015-07-31 05:19:33,"where's that aussie faggot that genuinely posted conservapedia articles as a source yesterday.
I know he's going to be in here. He has the mental faculties of a jellyfish",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438319973
48903146,48903146,2015-07-31 21:06:38,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Though we cannot prove elves don't exist (agnosticism), we don't believe they exist because it seems very unlikely (a-elf-ism).
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,1438302178624.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1438376798
48903146,48903182,2015-07-31 21:07:25,">>48903146
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,1438303261543.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,US,,1438376845
48903146,48903596,2015-07-31 21:19:13,">>48903146
How do you avoid constant existential depression from the intrinsic meaninglessness of a Godless universe?",,Anonymous,deusExMachina.jpg,KZQHLy0eXfY2QjTFAA9Q3A==,US,,1438377553
48903146,48903720,2015-07-31 21:22:20,">>48903167
>>48903167
Relevant thread.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438377740
48903146,48903751,2015-07-31 21:23:30,">>48903146
Literally you post this lame ass thread everyday. People taunt you and you respond and the post gets 50 respones then dies. Just go to r9k or reddit wehre you belong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438377810
48903146,48904008,2015-07-31 21:30:58,">>48903596
It's easier to laugh about everything when nothing really matters.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438378258
48903146,48904094,2015-07-31 21:33:45,">>48903596
-------How do Atheists have morality/meaning/guidance
Humans create their own value, their own meaning, their own good and bad. Atheists contest that since religion is made by a priesthood and there is no God, the religion's values too are man-made. God is just their sock puppet. There are many examples of moral/meaning/philosophies that do not relay on a God.
Some examples of these thought are: Nietzsche,Secular Humanism, Buddhism, Taoism, Unitarianism, Objectivism, Cultural Christianity, '
You will find explanations of these in the pastebin.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438378425
48903146,48904225,2015-07-31 21:37:33,"Discussion questions.
*What is the state of atheism where you live?
*What do you think of it on 4chan?
*If you used to be religious how did moving away from it change your outlook?",,OuterLimits,DreamHunterREMrem_sd.jpg,Ibr2Lr9lnZteLelQOBVt1g==,US,,1438378653
48903146,48904273,2015-07-31 21:38:53,http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1557098,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438378733
48903146,48904520,2015-07-31 21:45:40,">>48903146
Are agnostics allowed? I am one of them and I am repulsed by /pol/'s forced religiousness.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1438379140
48903146,48904585,2015-07-31 21:47:53,im religious out of spite,,Anonymous,1189352104417.jpg,3NdU+4TzINEjhixnE8xLjw==,CA,,1438379273
48903146,48904615,2015-07-31 21:48:34,">>48903146
Atheism is so 2000's. Atheism pretty much killed off all the power the religious right had a decade ago. What else is there to discuss, other than how to eradicate Islam?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438379314
48903146,48904657,2015-07-31 21:49:50,">>48904273
If you actually read the study instead of going 'autism=bad=athiesm i proved them wrong'
You'd see the reasons WHY autism leads to atheism. And how much autism leads to atheism (not very much. It doesn't' say autistic people are 500 times more likely or even 5 times more likely)
It's because autistic people value rational thinking. This doesn't its 'good' to be autistic it just means that autism has it's ups and downs.
The study also explains why autistic atheists seem to distrust Protestantism a lot more than Catholicism: Protestants treat the book much more literally than Catholics.
You might have actually learned some interesting things if you fucking took 5 seconds to read it.",,OuterLimits,555555555555.jpg,uBc7qtNQn90NOVLFuqdGoA==,US,,1438379390
48903146,48904725,2015-07-31 21:51:22,">>48904094
>relay on a God
God isn't a very good conductor.
>>48904225
>What is the state of atheism where you live?
I have no personal experience with this since i never talk to anyone about religion, but wikipedia says >20% of people in my state are non-religious. 
>What do you think of it on 4chan?
I'm happy to see my atheism generals are bringing a lot of atheists out of the woodwork. I found it hard to even voice my opinions before without getting drowned by a sea of fedora pictures, now we seem to be gaining some traction. This is good because it opens up opportunities for honest discussion.
>If you used to be religious how did moving away from it change your outlook?
Never been happier.",,Anonymous,transform4.png,k4H9jl1EivEAY+XRit0n5A==,US,,1438379482
48903146,48904803,2015-07-31 21:53:19,">>48904657
So is Atheism your ""rain man"" interest? I seriously cannot fathom what relevant discussion of Atheism there is left that hasn't been done to death, unless your 16 and actually think Atheism is this bold new concept you came up with yourself (kind of like 5 years ago when you realized that your hand could actually be used as a substitute for a vagina)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438379599
48903146,48904839,2015-07-31 21:54:01,">>48904657
put this in the pastebin, I see it posted maybe every other thread (and more so in other threads).
>>48904615
See the FAQ in the OP
>>48904585
What religion do you follow?
>>48904520
Read the FAQ in the OP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438379641
48903146,48904857,2015-07-31 21:54:29,">>48904520
Yes. What we do not like is supernatural beliefs and divine authority. Supernatural beleifs are irrational, divine authority is a sock puppet that the priesthood uses to spread stupid ideas.
>>48904615
I think the best way to get rid of Islam is to just get rid of a lot of laws protecting religion. This is how Islam infilitrates things.
They intionally have a culture that is incompatable with the rest of the world and than demand everyone else change to accept them.
How prepare our food, what we wear, when we are allowed to work. It's eningeer'ed to divide society. This is basically what the Jews did in the very early days.
God (aka the priests) made laws about eating food that were so complicated the Jews could never sit at the same table as non-jews which forced a segregated society.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438379669
48903146,48904905,2015-07-31 21:55:45,">>48904857
do any of you have an accurate refutation of Aquinas that isn't some fedora blog?
(genuinely curious)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438379745
48903146,48904952,2015-07-31 21:57:11,">>48903596
i dont.",,Anonymous,feelssadman.jpg,065utsVjzGyrKzbvdMu7cg==,US,,1438379831
48903146,48904970,2015-07-31 21:57:46,">>48904905
I made this piece of shit like a million years ago.",,Anonymous,quin2.jpg,JQ/q3wl/psl0eRBs+7xBGw==,US,,1438379866
48903146,48905042,2015-07-31 21:59:48,">>48904803
To be honest I just sort of realized I was a good person to start conducting this. I've read way more about religion than many other people on this board and have a lot of arguements against it that I just don't see being passed around.
I do not research atheism.(I'm not autistic myself) I have seen maybe 1 video by Dawkins. I'd much rather laugh at New Agers than Christians because they are funnier. 
I personally think it's a good thing to push (see our pastebin) and occasionally there's interesting discussions like Malaysia-kun
>>48904839
Good idea",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438379988
48903146,48905176,2015-07-31 22:03:13,">>48904905
Modern physics pretty much destroys Aquinas. Basically Aquians thinks nothing can move by itself. But that's wrong literally everything in the universe moves by itself.
At the quantum level everything is energy vibrating all by itself.
Aquinas theories are based on very early greek metaphysics about reality works. 
Should probably add that to THE BASICS too and change it to FAQ/starting points",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438380193
48903146,48905330,2015-07-31 22:07:14,">>48905176
>Basically Aquians thinks nothing can move by itself. But that's wrong literally everything in the universe moves by itself.
>At the quantum level everything is energy vibrating all by itself.
Yeah, that is the usual way of misunderstanding his argument.
>Should probably add that to THE BASICS too and change it to FAQ/starting points
No, you shouldn't. Give it it's own section, and only after studying this more >>48904970",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438380434
48903146,48905515,2015-07-31 22:11:28,">>48904970
was that actually you?
>>48905176
Strings supposedly vibrate, but they are still theoretical. The only quantum anything that appears to violate newton's first law are virtual particle matter and antimatter annihilation. 
But even then, we barely know anything about it, let alone the action for their appearance, so to say it violates momentum and conservation of energy when we only know that they exist is, well, stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438380688
48903146,48905675,2015-07-31 22:14:56,">>48905515
>was that actually you?
Yeah, I'm the guy behind the recent uptick in atheism on /pol/
>inb4 Vatican vans outside my house
Anyway, back to the picture. Some /lit/fag actually posted a response to it, but it totally sucks. Wolfy then turned those responses into an image and was trying to spread it around. I am still waiting for him to write proper responses himself, so I don't spread his image. (I'm looking for a good debate, not a weak one!)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438380896
48903146,48905720,2015-07-31 22:16:14,plz make more draws like this,,Anonymous,11390234_867824463299583_1546466258687621457_n.jpg,lZeSVjwppW22R6j1AO7naA==,MX,,1438380974
48903146,48905840,2015-07-31 22:19:05,">>48905675
Do you want to write the sort version of anti-aquinas than?
Christianity meta-physics is like the most boring shit ever.
>>48905720
Is that me on the left? That's not how my hair looks!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438381145
48903146,48905941,2015-07-31 22:21:31,">>48905675
I'll take a crack at it.
Starting with the argument from motion and working downwards, sound good? To me they get weaker as they go on, but that's just imo.
Summarizing the first way is basically the same thing as Newton's first law. Things in motion tend to stay in motion, things at rest tend to stay at rest, unless acted upon by an outside force. The universe is in motion, so how did that motion begin? 
While I realize before Planck time everything is entirely theoretical, still... Physical objects act according to physics, governed by rules and laws, and all of human scientific discovery has only solidified that perception. 
How did the universe begin expanding, if things at rest tend to stay at rest?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438381291
48903146,48905982,2015-07-31 22:22:29,">>48905840
>Christianity meta-physics is like the most boring shit ever.
Haha, indeed. Indeed. Nah, I'd just stick with my image for now (maybe put it on the imgur).
If someone brings it up SERIOUSLY in these threads then I'll just debate with them myself. It's not really something you can make a few quick points for and put the issue to rest.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438381349
48903146,48906315,2015-07-31 22:31:22,">>48905941
>While I realize before Planck time everything is entirely theoretical
Actually you don't quite have to go back that far before things get outside of our current knowledge, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_asymmetry
>How did the universe begin expanding, if things at rest tend to stay at rest?
Well, matter does tend to stay at rest. However, the expansion was of spacetime itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438381882
48903146,48906489,2015-07-31 22:35:25,">>48905941
Nothing has ever been at rest. 
The universe expands, hits a ""stop point"", contracts, compresses, then explodes outwards again in another bigbbang.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382125
48903146,48906502,2015-07-31 22:35:40,">>48905675
Wolfy kind of really only arguments from a historical perspective. Which is fucking worthless.
In the past the Catholic church was government and it had to prove it was legitimate by explaining how it's politicians successions was bona fide and everyone else were illegitimate heirs.
That's a worthless style of debating because the Vatican isn't a government anymore, their heir legitmacy is meaningless.
Atheists flat out deny that there ever was any divine authority in the first place. Saint Peter passing the keys from one pope to the next is meaningless because they keys don't open any doors!
Catholics are smarter than protestants but they don't fucking understand the way atheists think. In order for ANY dogma the papacy has to be worth anymore than the dogma I make up on the spot you must prove God exists.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438382140
48903146,48906624,2015-07-31 22:38:35,">>48906489
>The universe expands, hits a ""stop point"", contracts, compresses, then explodes outwards again in another bigbbang.
There's literally no reason to think it will stop and contract.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382315
48903146,48906668,2015-07-31 22:39:52,">>48906489
>literally disproved by Hubble
Sup, time-traveller?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382392
48903146,48906685,2015-07-31 22:40:16,"In regards to the questions about how the universe started expanding, or how did the Big Bang happen, nothing can be known for sure, my question to you though is if it is so inconceivable that the universe started on its own, then it must be even more inconceivable to believe that this omnipresent being started on its own, because something that created the universe would surely have to be greater and more complex than the universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382416
48903146,48906686,2015-07-31 22:40:17,"Yeah, I remember when I was 16 too. Challenging conventional wisdom by utilising atheist + logic and using it as an excuse for my ass burgers. 
You'll grow out of it guys, give it time. You'll soon realise as you get older that it's a very shallow and obnoxious thing to challenge ones personally held beliefs and to shit on them.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,f944Uc4x3yO/ac3xHlwfSg==,GB,,1438382417
48903146,48906706,2015-07-31 22:40:40,"While I'm very green as a debater, as a Christian I wouldn't mind a debate. Tear me to pieces I guess.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382440
48903146,48906756,2015-07-31 22:41:42,">>48906706
Kirk or Picard?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382502
48903146,48906796,2015-07-31 22:42:57,">>48906489
Prove it, because according to the most current ideas, the universe will die a heat death, and will not succumb to a big crunch.
>>48906315
>baryon
Yeah, I know, just an easy reference point. What caused space to inflate? If it could contract and expand causelessly, why does it not still? It appears, and seems to have always appeared, to be expanding at an accelerating rate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382577
48903146,48906801,2015-07-31 22:43:05,">>48906706
I don't wanna tear you to pieces. I'd like to be friends if possible. 
By trying to change your mind, I think I'm helping you. And you think you're saving my soul. This means we both have good intentions. It's helpful to realize that upfront.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382585
48903146,48906821,2015-07-31 22:43:34,">>48906756
Not the kind of debate I was expecting, but Kirk was better as a character. Picard, however, had this granfathery face I couldn't hate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382614
48903146,48906835,2015-07-31 22:43:58,">>48906756
picard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382638
48903146,48906876,2015-07-31 22:44:50,">>48906821
I'm all Picard myself.
What did you want to discuss? Try to be specific as possible so the topic can stay as focused as possible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382690
48903146,48906877,2015-07-31 22:44:51,">>48906801
I have no delusions about convincing anybody. I just find myself want for intelligent conversation in my real life, and while 4chan isn't the ideal place for it, it couldn't hurt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382691
48903146,48906918,2015-07-31 22:45:50,">>48906876
I guess come at my with what you would identify as a logical fallacy or difficulties with God's personality. I've been studying philosophy and archeology lately.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382750
48903146,48906992,2015-07-31 22:47:44,">>48906918
Mmm, well. I guess we could start with some things that lack any evidence of existing:
>Unicorns
>Elves
>Gods
>Alien Abductions
I don't see any reasons to believe in these things... so I don't. It's as simple as that",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382864
48903146,48907008,2015-07-31 22:48:14,">>48906502
Rather than smarter I would just say that Catholics have a tradition of philosophy and intellectualism that (modern) protestantism largely lacks. (they did and do have one but it doesn't play as large a role anymore)
there are and were large swaths of uneducated Catholics with no knowledge of such things",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382894
48903146,48907019,2015-07-31 22:48:39,">>48906877
I suppose I'd be lying if I said you could convince me. But, let me explain why: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=thar6XgC",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382919
48903146,48907020,2015-07-31 22:48:42,">>48906685
Part of the reason for this is very complicated. I didn't really research it well but it has to do with time.
Time is not a straight line, it doesn't stop, it doesn't end, and you can't go backwards. Time is a rate of change. Thinking like this the universe probably never had a start. 
Also the word 'universe' is kind of used wrong by creationists. Think of the universe as the word meaning 'everything'. Than you will realize that anything creating the universe is a contradiction. 
If it exists it is inside the universe. So the universe would have to be as old as God since it contains God.
>>48906821
Picard had the better show.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438382922
48903146,48907033,2015-07-31 22:49:05,">>48906796
>What caused space to inflate?
No one knows.
>If it could contract and expand causelessly, why does it not still?
It still is expanding though... (also it's not gonna contract)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382945
48903146,48907048,2015-07-31 22:49:23,">>48906756
Kirk was on an adventure in space. Piccard never felt adventurous. He was too cautious and moralizing to have any fun.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382963
48903146,48907059,2015-07-31 22:49:40,">>48904857
now,i cant really prove to you i am the holy spirit.
but what if god exist ? and yes,man used religion to gain power in the past.
but they end up in hell,and they should be well aware of that.
but my soul has been in more than one place at once and i proved to people i was the holy spirit.
sorry you are atheist (i was for most of my life)but still,have you ever think for yourself ? because as i said i wasnt religious.
but just try to find the answer of the universe by yourself,maybe meditate,try drugs a bit and read about the religion and such.
may god save your soul.",,Anonymous,Lucifer-as-creator.jpg,IGOaZJAFUQoMwBB8T3jREg==,CA,,1438382980
48903146,48907071,2015-07-31 22:49:58,">>48906992
Well at that point any discussion becomes pointless as I cannot make you believe in something that I cannot show you pictures of. The best I can do is compile a list of articles on the internet that showcase evidence of Biblical events.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438382998
48903146,48907111,2015-07-31 22:50:52,">>48903146
>Atheism General
Fedora Tipping at 420%",,Anonymous,MaximumTippage.gif,CdlbuxGyvfcXWW+ucl3qJA==,US,,1438383052
48903146,48907139,2015-07-31 22:51:34,">>48907111
Shhh, eat your raw potato (as is the custom of your people) and settle down",,Anonymous,lustpotato.jpg,WZVfzS+LdbPLoo8RMIvqNw==,US,,1438383094
48903146,48907150,2015-07-31 22:51:49,">>48906686
UK being surprisingly based.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383109
48903146,48907170,2015-07-31 22:52:22,thoughts on wolf being gone?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383142
48903146,48907180,2015-07-31 22:52:47,">>48905330
>we now understand some basic of energy and matters in the universe
>therefore its not god its just random energy and matter acting on its own.
nice argument.
you dont have to separate god from science you dipshit,science helps us understand the universe (or god) but we are for from understanding everything.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438383167
48903146,48907182,2015-07-31 22:52:47,">>48907071
Mkay... The Bible does describe _some_ historical events. But those are just history events. There is no evidence of the _supernatural_ things described in the Bible (or any other holy book)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383167
48903146,48907199,2015-07-31 22:53:17,">>48907139
>Trips of truth
>You cherrypicking retarded Christians and using it as a reference for all Christians.
Your argument isn't just invalid, it's factually incorrect and inadmissible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383197
48903146,48907209,2015-07-31 22:53:28,">>48907170
Nothing of value was lost.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383208
48903146,48907234,2015-07-31 22:54:10,">>48907199
>You cherrypicking retarded Christians and using it as a reference for all Christians.
As if you don't cherrypick gross/silly looking atheists for your fedora maymays?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383250
48903146,48907263,2015-07-31 22:55:09,">>48907234
It's not cherrypicking when it's directed at a self promoted fedorafag atheist with red eyes and fingerless gloves to compliment his retarded trench coat.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383309
48903146,48907288,2015-07-31 22:55:43,">>48907170
He was arguing that Confucianism was proof of Catholicism being the one true religion awhile back on /lit/.
Pretty silly tbh.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383343
48903146,48907306,2015-07-31 22:56:19,">>48907263
Whatever, you know what you're doing. I can do the same thing. One wrong turn deserves another, so I'll be exactly as shitty as you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383379
48903146,48907329,2015-07-31 22:56:54,">>48907288
link",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383414
48903146,48907336,2015-07-31 22:57:07,">>48907234
There is nothing to be gained in responding to trolls.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383427
48903146,48907345,2015-07-31 22:57:18,">>48907019
Well I'm sure you've heard the argument that by generation Jesus meant the Jewish people, so I won't bother with that. Paul states that time means nothing to God, and compared to how long the Earth has existed that this is the final hour, but you would say that was cult apologetics, so I won't link that. And as for the relation between Christian recruitment and other cult techniques, why does that disqualify it? Surely using the most effective method of catching and keeping new followers wouldn't be unknown to God incarnate.
>>48907182
Here have this:
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/04/The-Discovery-of-the-Sin-Cities-of-Sodom-and-Gomorrah.aspx#Article",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383438
48903146,48907402,2015-07-31 22:58:48,">>48903146
What is the atheistic stance on metaphysics and culture?",,AFascistCurry,,,AU,,1438383528
48903146,48907435,2015-07-31 22:59:30,">>48907306
I'm not being shitty.
Evidence:
Ops post:
>>48903146
My facetious response:
>>48907111
Literally if anything I was making a poor joke due to OPs original self deprecation or, God I truly hope not but, sincere proud display of their attire.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383570
48903146,48907444,2015-07-31 22:59:39,">>48907345
>Here have this:
Sorry to dismiss this so quickly... but could you link something less biased than ""Bible Archeology dot com""? I feel like a creationist just linked me to answersingenesis.org",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383579
48903146,48907460,2015-07-31 22:59:52,">>48907345
There's a ""pre-emptive answers to common objections"" section. Also, three other arguments to consider.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383592
48903146,48907476,2015-07-31 23:00:07,">>48906801
>By trying to change your mind, I think I'm helping you.
guenine question,how are you helping me ?
now here we assume god exist,how exactly are you helping me by making me not believe in it ? what could it gives me ? because from what i understand it would give me nothing at all,even worse take me something.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438383607
48903146,48907508,2015-07-31 23:00:46,">>48907263
Fedora-chan is a caricature. It's how we laugh at ourselves. I'm sure she listens to power metal and plays magic the gathering.
I'm surprised no one bothered mentioning that this is a Christian that hates atheists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wHqHUJyYbs&t=26s
PIZZA-FACED ATHEIST!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438383646
48903146,48907532,2015-07-31 23:01:23,">>48907476
Did you tell your parents that before they announced to you that Santa Claus wasn't real?",,Anonymous,1433805731892.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1438383683
48903146,48907535,2015-07-31 23:01:26,">>48906686
>i believe it's good to murder children
hurr nothin personal kiddd, ull grow up soon drink ur milk LOL",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438383686
48903146,48907590,2015-07-31 23:02:37,">>48907139
im very religious i guess.
and that is just plain fucking retarded.
do they actually think they are sinning if they make love to each other ? no matter the way they do it if they both want it they can do it.
they are fucking married,there souls are like one.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438383757
48903146,48907593,2015-07-31 23:02:40,">>48907535
>Australian Atheist
Good God of Heaven my sides are at the left hand of the Father.",,Anonymous,batman surprised disgusted horrified.jpg,OXom3CVmuE+G+tnGfrLRvA==,US,,1438383760
48903146,48907649,2015-07-31 23:04:03,">>48907532
no,i knew from very young.
also i was an athiest for most of my life like i said in a post.
but still,you didnt answered my question.
how will it change my life,what will i gain ?
will i be more intelligent (it wouldnt really make sense since i would still be the same person. and enlighten ?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438383843
48903146,48907672,2015-07-31 23:04:38,">>48907476
>guenine question,how are you helping me ?
I believe you are in what is essentially a very old, successful end of the world cult. I am helping you in the same way that you would be helping someone in a pyramid scheme or a 419 scam by making them realize what it is and how it works so they can stop participating. 
>now here we assume god exist
No.",,Anonymous,cultstructure.jpg,MTFCb/L/LUVXWLvpPpTy3g==,US,,1438383878
48903146,48907696,2015-07-31 23:05:17,">>48907532
just because i forgot in my other post.
i said we assume here that he exist.
if i said that we assumed that santa claus existed,then your argument would make sense.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438383917
48903146,48907742,2015-07-31 23:06:28,">>48907263
>compliment
Complement*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438383988
48903146,48907752,2015-07-31 23:06:39,">>48907649
Well, ask yourself this: Would I rather be someone that believes in Santa or something that doesn't?
Also, pic related",,Anonymous,better_news.jpg,49SnAvdl4aswLZ1oSQ2tAg==,US,,1438383999
48903146,48907766,2015-07-31 23:06:52,">>48907742
Thank you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384012
48903146,48907781,2015-07-31 23:07:16,">>48907532
But saint Nicholas existed, you dunce.",,Anonymous,,,HK,,1438384036
48903146,48907802,2015-07-31 23:07:37,">>48907672
but you assumed i follow blindly everything other religious people do.
i do not agree with alot of religious people.i've actually find god,then read the bible because i find it interesting.
i still follow my onw moralities and such as i did before i was religious.
and i dont actually believe im sinning (or well,nothing worth going in hell for)
and yes,by answering to me,we assume god exist,with that in mind,how are you helping me ?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438384057
48903146,48907830,2015-07-31 23:08:17,">>48907752
>or something
or *someone",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384097
48903146,48907909,2015-07-31 23:10:02,">>48907460
Dude
I can't refute this
Whelp, thanks for the personality crisis.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384202
48903146,48907912,2015-07-31 23:10:05,">>48907170
What are you talking about? He was on last night.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384205
48903146,48907918,2015-07-31 23:10:13,">>48907033
If it could expand causelessly, it could stop or contract through the same mechanism. 
Why hasn't it?
These debates always turn into semantics at the end. It just seems to me that there is more evidence for a caused universe, than an uncaused one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384213
48903146,48907957,2015-07-31 23:11:09,">>48907802
>but you assumed i follow blindly everything other religious people do.
It doesn't seem to you like you're doing that. It doesn't seem that way to them either. 
>and yes,by answering to me,we assume god exist
No",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384269
48903146,48907961,2015-07-31 23:11:11,">>48907909
How does one atheists word play with the truth shake your faith so easily?
God forbid the Father ever feels similar with his faith in humanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384271
48903146,48907970,2015-07-31 23:11:26,">>48907918
>If it could expand causelessly, it could stop or contract through the same mechanism.
There is no reason to believe the premise or the conclusion of that sentence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384286
48903146,48907996,2015-07-31 23:12:08,">>48907918
Because the geometry of the universe is open, not closed.
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/cosmo/lectures/lec15.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384328
48903146,48908073,2015-07-31 23:14:05,">>48907957
>It doesn't seem to you like you're doing that. It doesn't seem that way to them either. 
why the fuck are we even talking ? are we gonna actually debate.
jesus fucking christ (oh blasphemy) was i that uptight on my bullshit when i was athiest,i sure hope not.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438384445
48903146,48908076,2015-07-31 23:14:10,">>48903146
What is there to talk about? God isn't real. End of discussion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384450
48903146,48908106,2015-07-31 23:14:51,">>48903146
Guys get in here we're already working on David Sponheim, our 3rd Party Presidential Candidate.
The Government is euthanizing citizens without public approval & wants to feed stray animals to 3rd world countries to solve world hunger! Easy to get riled up. 
Chat: http://vaughnlive.tv/thirdparty
Call #: 7079687287
Sponheim's opinion on Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a7miz08YJw 
>>>/x/16459735",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384491
48903146,48908140,2015-07-31 23:15:32,">>48908076
Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 8% of the world's population, whereas irreligious individuals represent a further 10% to 20%
So no, the discussion is only just beginning",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384532
48903146,48908251,2015-07-31 23:18:15,">>48907802
So you call yourself christian more as a fashion statement?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438384695
48903146,48908411,2015-07-31 23:21:54,">>48908251
maybe im wrong and sorry about that.
but yes i would say christian is the least fucked up religion i can think of.
but i never stated my religion anywhere i think.
i also dont really call myself christian.
christians call me ;)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438384914
48903146,48908532,2015-07-31 23:24:44,">>48908411
Well, you're posting in the Atheism General.
What do you believe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385084
48903146,48908543,2015-07-31 23:24:57,">>48908140
The spread is amazing. Compared to when I was a kid there is a lot less religious people and they are a lot less confident.
I really hope I live to see the day when we a majority. Than we can work on inventing the Overman.
BTW has anyone looked into the upcoming generation of /x/ Christians? They make stuff like this and it's unironic.",,OuterLimits,TACO BELL IS EVIL.png,FhuRpgcJK7WCjbhAcN4I6A==,US,,1438385097
48903146,48908605,2015-07-31 23:26:29,">>48908532
i believe god created the universe and live in his eternal kingdom called heaven.
still i though you guys were open to discussion with atheist,its pretty muh so far,not actually answering question and such,resorting to the same argument over and over. (no i dont believe in santa claus.)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438385189
48903146,48908627,2015-07-31 23:27:08,">>48908411
It is helping theists by having them understand that the stories in the old testament would have gone the way of all other myths if it hadn't been for the new Jesus cult latching onto them. The old testament is littered with myths stolen right out of other near eastern mythologys.
This isn't to say that they can't get useful information out of the bible or even have a personal relationship with a (imaginary) god that is beneficial to them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385228
48903146,48908674,2015-07-31 23:28:21,">>48908605
The Santa thing was relevant to your question about what you have to gain by being an atheist.
Have you actually presented any reasons to believe God or his heaven exists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385301
48903146,48908765,2015-07-31 23:30:45,">>48908605
>i believe god created the universe and live in his eternal kingdom called heaven.
Which god? Those are really semantic claims and language is flawed. God and heaven are so vague you can basically create your own definitions for them like you just did and do. If you don't use any ""evidence"" from the bible or other religious works and just describe why you feel there is a creator and this is ""heaven"" (describe heaven please) than I think many athiests would even agree. Athiests can be life affirming though leibnez was a christian athiests can also adopt the idea of this being the best of all possible worlds. (Voltaire blowing that shit out is hilarious)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385445
48903146,48908767,2015-07-31 23:30:47,">>48908674
Yahweh doesn't exist.
Where did matter and energy come from if the conservation laws are true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385447
48903146,48908783,2015-07-31 23:31:16,">>48908674
what if i told you i had vision of the future ? would you even believe me ?
propably not,doesnt change the fact that its true.
i couldnt have see the future if we didnt have souls,since my souls was literally at 2 place at once.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438385476
48903146,48908844,2015-07-31 23:32:36,">>48908767
>Where did matter and energy come from if the conservation laws are true?
The total energy of the universe is 0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385556
48903146,48908852,2015-07-31 23:32:52,">>48908765
are you actually implying there is more than one god ?
i beleive in the triune god,the father the son and the holy spirit from wich the breath of life came from.",,Anonymous,1437752113772.jpg,8zX9e4Ya2syaqaE5InBzZQ==,CA,,1438385572
48903146,48908919,2015-07-31 23:34:47,">>48908783
>>>/x/",,Anonymous,you-dont-understand.jpg,rRobMU4+7Wh3kOj6zU2oRA==,US,,1438385687
48903146,48908921,2015-07-31 23:34:50,">>48908674
from the (still being revized and down) part of our discussing religion.
The person you are talking to is an idiot and needs to feel special to validate something in his life. Might be a 40 year old house wife with no prospects.
-----DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT EVERYONE
If someone truly has nothing to live for and their only joy is in believing imaginary 'spirits' making them an atheist is CRUELITY. If you are determined to do that you might as well just kill them.
 
An atheist has to create his OWN MEANING. If he cannot do that he NEEDS religion. Every read Albert Camus? That's the type of person that needs religion. Not everyone is capable of creating their own meaning.
 
Trigger-happy atheists this section was written for you!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438385690
48903146,48908976,2015-07-31 23:36:31,">>48908921
You didn't need to post that at me, he literally went full /x/ after just one response",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385791
48903146,48909004,2015-07-31 23:37:17,">>48908921
you actually didnt read any of my post you silly atheist.
i had my own meaning and moralities before i was believing in any god.
doesnt change the fact i had vision of the future.
and many people could tell you im telling the truth (even my psychologist)
you should really get of your high horse.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438385837
48903146,48909024,2015-07-31 23:37:52,">>48908852
>are you actually implying there is more than one god ?
No I was asking which sky daddy you believed in or if it was more of a diests god.
>what if i told you i had vision of the future ? would you even believe me ?
No because that is a supernatural claim and can't be tested empirically you can claim you saw the future claim you are jesus claim whatever you want it is borderline schizophrenia.
Arguing wether souls exist is a totally different issue and I would offer again it is a flaw of language soul is incredibly vague and another thing that can't be measured through instrumentation and therefore not proven.
 Like Wittgenstein says all philosophical problems are problems of language. The things you are claiming have no clearly defined definition. And when i ask you to define them you just assert their meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385872
48903146,48909042,2015-07-31 23:38:13,"Socialism is a religion for people who worship the power of the state.
Like every other religion, socialism claims to be THE TRUTH.
And like every other religion, socialists will attack anyone who attempts to scientifically examine the dogma of their religion.
Therefore if you are a socialist or communist you can not be an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438385893
48903146,48909132,2015-07-31 23:40:29,">>48907672
>""but every organization is structured this way!""
>""what someone in a pyramid scheme says when your try to argue them out of it""
Ah, the good ol' ""send me a rebuttal and I'll call you crazy approach.""",,Anonymous,neptunafred.jpg,RuCkFwaZx21FhYVR5hRhIw==,CA,,1438386029
48903146,48909299,2015-07-31 23:44:52,">>48909042
Serious or trolling?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438386292
48903146,48909480,2015-07-31 23:50:07,">>48909042
Leftism borrows the mindset from religion. Because leftism is from the same mind set. 
Think about heaven. Isn't it structured like a communist government. everyone is equal, no money, one benevolent ruler overseeing it.
Another example to show that they are similar.
How did the Protestant reformation justify itself? It declared that EVERYONE is a Saint. Which is fucking leftist rhetoric 'everyone is special'.",,OuterLimits,2.png,LRZQYD/C/hv5MxYcpH4Tlg==,US,,1438386607
48903146,48909626,2015-07-31 23:54:07,,,Anonymous,Yp9zoKa.png,QL+oiVB+VEz4FZjoy2/xAw==,US,,1438386847
48903146,48909628,2015-07-31 23:54:12,">>48909480
The Rabbis started to lose religious power and applied the same religious dominance to politics. Marxism is not a development of western philosophy. Marxism is deeply rooted in the Torah, both Marx and Engles were of the lineage of Rabbis.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438386852
48903146,48909827,2015-07-31 23:59:40,">>48909628
You are right. Marx came from a long, long line of Rabbis. Christianity also came when Jews started to lose power. They just made Judaism 2.0
The reason we see these shitty ideologies coming from Jews is because their thinking is the root of it.
There is a reason virtually every nation thought the Jews were scum. Some roman scholars wrote the Jews seemed to have a vendetta against humanity itself.
This isn't to say Jews are born evil but they have a very foul belief system. This is what stormweenies get wrong. They can't differentiate between Jewish culture and Jewish genes. Even when they do they can't understand Jewish culture, why they have to do what they do to survive.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438387180
48903146,48910185,2015-08-01 00:10:07,,,Anonymous,dont_masturbate.jpg,lM+eWhdX1eeAB1q3qnIyFg==,US,,1438387807
48903146,48910450,2015-08-01 00:16:28,">>48909827
I don't fully agree culture has a genetic component. Animals innately know how to make their nests.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438388188
48903146,48910508,2015-08-01 00:17:55,">>48908844
See, I see that thrown around a lot, but I have no idea what that actually means. Can you elaborate?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438388275
48903146,48910617,2015-08-01 00:20:46,"The problem with most religious people is that they are skeptics towards everything but their own deep held beliefs. 
They question biology, physics, chemistry, basically everything science offers.
Curiously, they don't question their own beliefs, their own religion, their own cult.
They can resort to all kinds of mental gymnastics so they can justify why everyone else is wrong, why their fairytale must be the correct one.
They can't understand why most atheists dismiss their religion right away,when they dismiss other religions in the same fashion.
They think they are completely correct and that everyone else is delusional.
I'm not saying atheists cannot fall into the same kind of delusions, but at least they have opened their mind to the possibilities.
I don't know about the others, but I'm an atheist because nobody has been able to prove any god exists throughout history. 
If someday god presents itself in front of people and starts doing some of the crazy shit it says he did on the books, the I'll be a believer.
And, just because science still does not have all the answers to every question doesn't mean we should all default back to religion. That's just intellectually dishonest and irresponsible.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438388446
48903146,48910685,2015-08-01 00:22:35,">>48910508
It means no conservation laws are being broken.
The total negative and positive energy of the universe adds up to 0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438388555
48903146,48910747,2015-08-01 00:24:08,">>48910450
That's true. The Jews are genetically breed to be shifty. They never really had any army of their own. They had no political power but were very hated so they needed to learn to get by just using their tongues and their minds.
In the long run religion breeds people. Sometimes it is very apparent like in Hinduism where they are trying to breed different castes, sometimes it's less.
Genetics and culture are very closely related.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438388648
48903146,48910815,2015-08-01 00:26:06,">>48910617
>but I'm an atheist because nobody has been able to prove any god exists throughout history.
what the fuck did you even readed about history ?
>pic related
how the fuck could she have done all this without god.",,Anonymous,1436158033867.jpg,vy4SfUcBh48PqVZnn6UvHw==,CA,,1438388766
48903146,48911037,2015-08-01 00:31:03,">>48910815
>what the fuck did you even -readed- about history ?
ok
>how the fuck could she have done all this without god
Nice b8 m8",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438389063
48903146,48911054,2015-08-01 00:31:16,Anyone here read his past 2 books? How much is it of him talking about atheism/libertarianism and how much of it is Vegas stories?,,Anonymous,book of the year.jpg,TjjhPyTZH8QfEpecj1JVxg==,US,,1438389076
48903146,48911078,2015-08-01 00:31:54,">Though we cannot prove elves don't exist (agnosticism),
That's not the agnostic approach. That's just admitting a lack of evidence.
>we don't believe they exist because it seems very unlikely (a-elf-ism).
This is answering the question despite a lack of evidence towards the answer (and no, I'm not saying elves exist; the OP is a retarded faggot who uses bad examples to make their points).
The agnostics answer to ""does God exist"" is ""there's not yet a way to know the answer to that question"".
The atheist's answer is ""no"". Which is as baseless as the theist's answer of ""yes"".
The theoretical physicist's answer is ""it's more likely than unlikely based on our current understanding of our known universe; and more importantly, based on the understanding that our known universe is as a pinhole poked into the surface of the sun when compared to the yet unknown universe. To write off anything as impossible is a fool's errand.""
In conclusion, OP is a faggot and this isn't politics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438389114
48903146,48911238,2015-08-01 00:35:11,">>48911037
how is it bait ?
have you even readed about her ?",,Anonymous,"Lenepveu,_Jeanne_d&#039;Arc_au_siège_d&#039;Orléans.jpg",LUjc+z6zqS4QN2uoLXg5nQ==,CA,,1438389311
48903146,48911472,2015-08-01 00:40:11,"If anyone is interested in Nietzche he has a nice summary on why religions are made. It's short, hard to read, but incredibly in-depth.
http://nietzsche.holtof.com/reader/friedrich-nietzsche/the-gay-science/aphorism-353-quote_0a80bf494.html
>>48911078
strictly speaking nothing can have an absolute answer. This world could be a computer simulation and 'god' is running the computer. Maybe once god's mom calls him down for dinner he will turn off universe Simulator 4 and will all die.
The atheist stance is that there isn't enough evidence for God to care.
Just like everyone's stance is there isn't enough evidence for our world being a video game
Religion has a way of getting into politics and just about every fucking thing else in life. It's designed as a way to engineer people's thinking and behavior (for better or worst)",,OuterLimits,1438219473880.png,MvurxBj6fhkdqu1/OV1HgA==,US,,1438389611
48903146,48911621,2015-08-01 00:43:41,">>48911238
>>48911238
>have you even readed about her ?
Holy shit,can't even write in you native language.
And, I'll take the bait. 
The accomplishments of an extraordinary person are not evidence of any god.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that jazz.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438389821
48903146,48911631,2015-08-01 00:44:04,">>48911078
>and no, I'm not saying elves exist
Why not? There's not yet a way to know the answer to that question",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438389844
48903146,48911636,2015-08-01 00:44:08,">>48911472
That's great, but by taking a ""no"" stance with atheism, you're caring about the existence of god; enough so to bother with saying ""no"".
When my daughter tells me she's going to catch a unicorn, I say ""uh-huh"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438389848
48903146,48911692,2015-08-01 00:45:37,">>48911621
but she said herself she talked to god,how fucking dumb are you.
also
>implying my native language is english.
proud to say my first language is french,wich is far superior to most language anyway.",,Anonymous,sacre.jpg,uAaGLrUZnPFqJyNxw4hDJg==,CA,,1438389937
48903146,48911765,2015-08-01 00:47:15,">>48911636
>When my daughter tells me she's going to catch a unicorn
So do you or do you not believe in unicorns?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438390035
48903146,48911855,2015-08-01 00:49:11,>>48911692,,Anonymous,1406971265618.jpg,hp4o9wpJG1HZODx10bh4kQ==,MX,,1438390151
48903146,48911875,2015-08-01 00:49:50,">>48911765
As of right now, no. There is sufficient evidence to prove they don't exist; at least not on Earth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438390190
48903146,48911945,2015-08-01 00:51:13,">>48911875
Right, and for just the same reasons I say ""no"" when asked if I believe in God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438390273
48903146,48911951,2015-08-01 00:51:17,">>48911855
fuck i didnt even realized you were a dirty spics.
you will burn in hell anyway.
i am the holy spirit,please blasphem agaisnt me.
but be aware it is an unforgivable sin ;)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438390277
48903146,48912058,2015-08-01 00:54:26,">>48911945
There isn't sufficient evidence that God doesn't exist.
There are more unexplained forces holding the universe together than there are understood forces. If anything, current evidence supports the idea of a supernatural force being responsible for the existence of our universe.
Now go away, faggot; this isn't politics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438390466
48903146,48912205,2015-08-01 00:58:00,">>48912058
>scientists haven't discovered certain things
>therefore an all powerful god thing exists
>nothing explains how this god thing can exist though
>and we don't have any evidence that it exists
Get out",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438390680
48903146,48912519,2015-08-01 01:05:29,">>48905720
Fuck, is that u Mexico yuri anon?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438391129
48903146,48912538,2015-08-01 01:05:53,">>48912205
ffs...
Scientists have measured gravitational forces which hold galaxies together like glue, yet the present visible/traceable mass isn't enough to produce the that gravitational force. This has been classified as dark matter for the time being.
Additionally, physicists have found traces of the ""God particle"", a force that seems to flit in and out of existence. The ""God particle"", or higgs boson, simply put, creates mass, or is responsible for all mass. Sustaining a reading on this particle for more than fractions of fractions of a second is still a WIP.
You don't even understand enough to realize that you don't know shit. So, you retarded faggot, grip your fedora and turn your edgeometer to 11, and GTFO.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438391153
48903146,48912605,2015-08-01 01:07:40,">>48912058
No it doesn't? You have no reason to make that assumption",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438391260
48903146,48912686,2015-08-01 01:09:24,">>48912538
>Additionally, physicists have found traces of the ""God particle"", a force that seems to flit in and out of existence. The ""God particle"", or higgs boson, simply put, creates mass, or is responsible for all mass. Sustaining a reading on this particle for more than fractions of fractions of a second is still a WIP.
Lol, that is its shortened nick name. It is the ""god damned particle"" because it is so god damned hard to find.
Also, what does this have to do with proving god exists? Show far you have shown me no reasons to think he does",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438391364
48903146,48912723,2015-08-01 01:10:30,">>48912605
>I'm an uneducated faggot who passed high school basic STEM courses with a 2.5 average gpa
Probability vs possibility.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438391430
48903146,48912774,2015-08-01 01:11:48,">>48912538
This has nothing to do with any god lol
You can keep moving the goalposts all you want though",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438391508
48903146,48912816,2015-08-01 01:12:57,">>48912686
This applies to your retarded fucking face as well
>>48912723
>>48912723
I've never said god exists. I've said that the current evidence shows that it's more probable than improbable that a supernatural force orchestrated the universe by virtue of how little has been discovered, and much less investigated and understood, of that universe.
Essentially, you're a dumb cunt, this isn't politics, and GTFO faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438391577
48903146,48912872,2015-08-01 01:14:22,">>48912816
You're literally arguing from ignorance, in the most textbook sense of the word
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438391662
48903146,48913168,2015-08-01 01:21:53,">>48904225
I'll tell you once I get home. If u want a pastebin or some sort of intro to Buddhist philosophy, u need to post pics of yourself first :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438392113
48903146,48913219,2015-08-01 01:23:26,">>48913168
We're not interested. Go be a creep somewhere else",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438392206
48903146,48913370,2015-08-01 01:28:11,">>48912872
Atheists and theists alike are discerning an answer from ignorance. I'm just pointing it out to you.
My whole point is that you don't know; and yet, you feel like saying ""no, there isn't a god"" has more credence than saying ""yes, there is a god"". Both answers have the same value with the existing evidence towards either answer. You dumb motherfucker.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438392491
48903146,48913372,2015-08-01 01:28:15,">>48913219
Buddhist philosophy is quite interesting and diverse. Anyways here's a fun fact about the Nyanya(I think that's how it's spelled) school of Hindu philosophy, they actually have some arguments for for God's existence that mirrors Aquinas'. Just pointing out though.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438392495
48903146,48913623,2015-08-01 01:35:54,">>48913372
I don't even care enough to know whether or not i care.
>>48913370
>There is no evidence X exists
>Therefore X probably doesn't exist
Replace X with anything, including elves, wizards, unicorns, Thor, Hulk, Flying Spaghetti Monster, God, My Little Pony, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438392954
48903146,48913634,2015-08-01 01:36:15,">>48913370
but thats where you are wrong.
jesus fucking christ,do you need everything shoved in your face to believe it.
i bet most people didnt believed jesus too.
but i did had vision of the future and i know god exist.
soon enough you will believe me.
too bad not everyone can have proof of god on demand tho.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438392975
48903146,48913671,2015-08-01 01:37:20,">>48913370
Occam's Razor bro. rza rza razor sharp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438393040
48903146,48913778,2015-08-01 01:40:26,">>48913634
Who said I'm talking about God? I haven't once argued that evidence supports some specific God of some specific religion.
You have a small mind only good for viewing a small world. So be an atheist. Or be religious. Just don't ask questions; you're no good for that.
>>48913623
There's plenty of seemingly super natural forces at play in the universe that humans cannot even begin to investigate with current tech. Or were you looking for someone walking on water as your ""evidence"".
Small mind for a small person seeking a small world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438393226
48903146,48913841,2015-08-01 01:42:17,">>48913778
>There's plenty of seemingly super natural forces at play in the universe
lol, if it is supernatural then by definition it doesn't exist in the natural world (i.e. the universe)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438393337
48903146,48913973,2015-08-01 01:46:04,">>48913841
Yes.
To put it more plainly, there are plenty of forces acting within the universe that seem to defy the currently understood laws of the universe.
Have you always been retarded, or did you train from child?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438393564
48903146,48913976,2015-08-01 01:46:10,">>48913778
>a small mind
>not good for asking question
read my others post
also agnotisc only dont have a small mind ?
get off your high horse.
I AM THE HOLY GHOST.
i think my mind and soul are far greater than yours.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438393570
48903146,48914089,2015-08-01 01:49:56,">>48913976
Yes. Anyone who actually cares about the right answer to that question is agnostic about god.
Atheists and theists are the same person, using the same reasoning and logic to defend their positions. You fucking retard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438393796
48903146,48914148,2015-08-01 01:52:08,">>48913973
Ayy, remember ancient Egyptians? Those were some good times. They didn't know how to explain what they saw in the sky. The sun seemingly moved across it everyday.
Instead of admitting they don't know yet and doing research into it, they concluded that a god in a chariot pulls the sun across the sky.
Turns out everything in the universe has had a natural explanation so far, so it seems fair to conclude that the last few things will as well.
This is why it is very improbable that some tiny ""gap"" in scientific knowledge (for now) will just magically turn out to be any sort of thing any major religion would call ""God""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438393928
48903146,48914326,2015-08-01 01:57:09,">>48914148
The gap between what our earliest ancestors knew and what we know now was a tiny ""gap"". The gap between what we know now, and what we are aware is still out there to be learned is incalculably massive.
You're obviously some dumb fuck, jump up little shit fresh out of high school, and feeling enlightened because you make fun of the few religious kids at school. Just be sure to buy a coat that matches your fedora.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394229
48903146,48914381,2015-08-01 01:59:03,">>48914089
you fucking retarded ?
whatever dude,i literally saw the future.
what does your great mind think about that ?
i dont care about knowing the right answer,i already know it unfortunately.
i almost miss being an atheist and thiking about the universe as a whole.
but keep talk shit the holy spirit tho,see ya in hell if you are lucky ;)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438394343
48903146,48914389,2015-08-01 01:59:15,">>48914326
Damn, it is such a textbook argument from ignorance that I don't know whether or not its a troll.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394355
48903146,48914424,2015-08-01 02:00:09,">>48913623
Might be useful to create a system of philosophy that don't rely on the notion of God if you ask me. 
Anyways here are my answers to discussion questions,
>What is the state of atheism where you live?
Minority tbh. Even more less than in the eastern region of my country. Most people would probably believe in some supernatural stuff given the superstitious nature of Malaysian culture. 
> What do you think of it on 4chan?
Can't say for sure but one thing I know is that they are better than the fundie Christians here. 
>If you used to be religious how did moving away from it change your outlook?
Never really moved away from it given how my life's surrounded by it. I did however turn Agnostic in college particularly after witnessing how practically almost everyone in the Christian Fellowship failed to actually answer the questions raised by an Atheist who is exploring the religion. Oddly enough, the Atheist in question became Agnostic through participating in the Christian Fellowship. While I could never really go full fedora, that guy really helped me become more critical of my beliefs, leading me to take the Agnostic position and explore Christianity from the ground up as well as not being so dismissive of other systems of belief and thought. If it weren't for him I would remain the ignorant nominal Catholic I was before and without any interest in philosophy.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438394409
48903146,48914447,2015-08-01 02:01:00,">>48914389
When a question has no right answer, the only ignorance is in answering the question.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394460
48903146,48914534,2015-08-01 02:03:22,">>48914447
My answer is that he probably doesn't exist. Same with faeries, elves, and space wizards that hold galaxies together with their magic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394602
48903146,48914613,2015-08-01 02:06:06,">>48914424
>Might be useful to create a system of philosophy that don't rely on the notion of God if you ask me.
see the OP FAQ and http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Oddly enough, the Atheist in question became Agnostic
What the hell does this even mean? That both of you don't know the difference between atheism and agnosticism? Read the OP FAQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394766
48903146,48914621,2015-08-01 02:06:15,">>48914534
Maybe you'll understand one day; but right now, you're hopeless.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394775
48903146,48914734,2015-08-01 02:09:27,">>48914621
>anything we can't prove to exist has a 50% chance of existing!!!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438394967
48903146,48914892,2015-08-01 02:14:10,">>48914734
Essentially, yes. If that sounds retarded to you, it's because you're a fucking retard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438395250
48903146,48914905,2015-08-01 02:14:26,Chile has recently blessed us with this artwork,,Anonymous,fedora_bewbs.png,FDiUCNoTU70YzQGs1Uqbzg==,US,,1438395266
48903146,48914910,2015-08-01 02:14:34,">>48903146
That is an odd definition of atheism. You say that you don't believe that elves exist because it seems very unlikely. In this case, you are better off saying you agnostic. ""Elves may exist, but the odd of that seem so dismal to me that I will conduct my life under the belief that they do not exist."" This is agnosticism.
Atheism normally suggests a definite belief - ""Elves do not exist."" This statement is almost as ridiculous as being religious.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438395274
48903146,48914928,2015-08-01 02:15:04,">>48914613
Anyways I'm gonna take a look at the pastebin 
>What the hell does this even mean? That both of you don't know the difference between atheism and agnosticism? 
It means he does not even know if God exists and does not treat the possibility of God existing one of many logical possibilities akin to the differing interpretations of Quantum Mechanics to use as analogy.
I do understand that Atheism and Agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Technically we are all Agnostics to some extent but when I say Agnostic in the sense of my previous post it refers to not pronouncing any judgement on the matter of God's existence or non existence referring both as equally real possibilities.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438395304
48903146,48915073,2015-08-01 02:19:30,">>48914910
>Elves may exist, but the odd of that seem so dismal to me that I will conduct my life under the belief that they do not exist
>I will conduct my life under the belief that they do not exist
>the belief that they do not exist
This is the atheism part.
Only the stupidest of atheists will claim to know 100% that god doesn't exist. Nothing can be known for certain. There is always a chance it was actually Thor all along, and we got it wrong. But I'm gonna say ""No, I don't believe those things. There is no evidence for them. And my disbelief makes me an atheist""
No seriously, go look it up. If you lack belief in god or disbelieve in him then you are an atheist, whether or not you KNOW with 100% certainty that he doesn't exist
>>48914928
So which do you think is more LIKELY though? And what about things like space wizards, elves, faeries that hold the universe together, etc. Do you not have any judgment on these ridiculous claims I just made up?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438395570
48903146,48915272,2015-08-01 02:26:38,">>48915073
If you an ounce of intelligence, you would be a creationist at heart.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438395998
48903146,48915371,2015-08-01 02:30:08,">>48915073
Yeah, no one in their right mind would deny what you said. Nobody's gonna make any judgement on whether the universe is a computer simulation or whatever but unlike the Atheist who would not believe in them or discard them, the Agnostic(at least in the way I'm using the term now) would see the existence of God to be a real possibility alongside his non existence and thus no forms of judgement is ever made against which is true or not. 
However the problem is that I do not lack a belief in God, I take that his existence is a real possibility thus not really lacking a belief in him whilst simultaneously noting how the possibility of his non existence is equally real. This to my knowledge isn't what Atheism is even by your own standards. 
While granted I do take judgement on the ""ridiculous claims"" you made up, in the case of the existence of God, it's a real possibility which is of course quite a valid one, alongside the possibility of his non existence. 
I will admit that I do not know which of the two are more likely. However I would say this, if this God that exist is the God propagated by Calvinism and modern Evangelicalism, we should not worship this God even if he decides to reveal himself such that we can know for certain.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438396208
48903146,48915695,2015-08-01 02:39:51,">>48915371
Hmm... Where to start... First, let's stop using words like agnostic and atheist. That way we can get to the heart of the matter.
>However the problem is that I do not lack a belief in God, I take that his existence is a real possibility
See, I don't see how these things relate. It's like me saying ""However the problem is that I do not lack a belief in The Matrix, I take that its existence is a real possibility""
See, I DO take the existence of The Matrix as a real possibility. EVERYTHING has some non-zero probability of existing. But I choose to believe only things that have evidence of their existence.
Think about if I didn't do this. Think about if science textbooks didn't do this. There would be thousands of volumes filled with things that MIGHT EXIST but also DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE of existing. It would be a waste of everyone's time. We just dismiss those things without evidence, it's pretty simple.
>While granted I do take judgement on the ""ridiculous claims""
Why? You can't prove they don't exist. They are a real possibility.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438396791
48903146,48915808,2015-08-01 02:43:59,"You can keep trying to decieve us, real Christians will never fall for it. 
Jesus Christ is our savior and all of you are literally pawns of the devil for not repenting. All you literally have to do is give yourself over to Christ and accept that you are a sinner in need of Him. 
Please reconsider your positions.",,Anonymous,jesus-christ-king-02052-400x288.jpg,14/yloFyBZ1hXEcIJbteFQ==,US,,1438397039
48903146,48915899,2015-08-01 02:47:29,>>48915808,,Anonymous,1433805667484.jpg,VHkdaWOpjT02KlF5b8v9EA==,US,,1438397249
48903146,48916009,2015-08-01 02:51:48,"One concept I rarely see discussed is the possibility of a god that is not like the ones portrayed in major religions. God is usually portrayed as having interacted with humans long ago, having an interest in the actions of humans, perhaps doing battle with other gods, etc. Basically god is often portrayed as a being that humans can associate with and who in some respects is like a smart human with superpowers.
What if god exists but isn't anything like that? What if god is malevolent rather than benevolent? What if god has no interest in humans? What if god is not sentient, and/or can be defined in some other way - for example as the universe itself and perhaps the rules it operates under (physics).
Is there a word for this latter train of thought - mostly the idea that god is not interested in humans and does not think or act anything like a human?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438397508
48903146,48916132,2015-08-01 02:56:13,">>48916009
>What if god is malevolent rather than benevolent?
Their are plenty of evil gods in myth.
>What if god has no interest in humans? 
It's called Deism. 
>What if god is not sentient
Pantheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438397773
48903146,48916175,2015-08-01 02:57:42,"Every single intelligent philosopher and scientist in history believed in a God. Atheism is an edgy counterculture belief built on the same ""No, fuck YOU Dad"" foundation that SJWism is. It requires you to be anti-intellectual and deliberately ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438397862
48903146,48916322,2015-08-01 03:03:27,">>48915695
>We just dismiss those things without evidence, it's pretty simple.
The Bible has testimony of Jesus deeds. And before you say it you should answer two questions
1. What kind of evidence could the people 2000 years ago have provided to convince you today that their words were true other than just writing their experiences down
2. If Jesus came down tommorrow and personally revealed himself to a bunch of people and you caught him performing supernatural deeds on video, what would be the likelihood that in 2000 years the people living would dismiss that evidence also with excuses like it could have been edited and 'I bet you believe David Blaine did real magic too!'
The scientific method was still over 1500 years away, you're asking for a certainty that is impossible to provide. It would be impossible to provide now for people living so far in the future and it's even harder for people without cameras and only written testimony.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438398207
48903146,48916385,2015-08-01 03:05:49,>>48916322,,Anonymous,1433205459573.jpg,Ow56sovq1hUYGn3nt96Uvw==,US,,1438398349
48903146,48916464,2015-08-01 03:08:34,">>48916385
>""We're the true free thinkers! Atheists are rational and can justify their beliefs!""
>Shitposts memes in response to arguments",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438398514
48903146,48916529,2015-08-01 03:11:32,">>48916464
What was your argument? That if the universe was different then the universe would be different? That David Blaine does real magic?
I figured you were just shitposting",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438398692
48903146,48916535,2015-08-01 03:11:50,">>48916322
Yeah but how would you tell Jesus apart from a magician today? Or do you believe magicians are also prophets?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438398710
48903146,48916554,2015-08-01 03:12:30,">>48903596
By constantly going out of their way to spout off about how there is no God and always being obnoxious as fuck about it.
Ultimately, they're only trying to convince themselves.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438398750
48903146,48916591,2015-08-01 03:13:51,">>48916535
That's kind of my point. No amount of evidence is ever going to be enough because you can't use the scientific method on miracles by definition.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438398831
48903146,48916628,2015-08-01 03:15:15,">>48916591
Right the claim is unfalsifiable. So why would you believe it is the truth?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438398915
48903146,48916631,2015-08-01 03:15:20,">>48916591
Unless you catch it on video :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asy1zSHZ4tA
We should all worship this guy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438398920
48903146,48916678,2015-08-01 03:16:59,">>48904008
This.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438399019
48903146,48916688,2015-08-01 03:17:23,">>48916385
>>48916464
I mean the pic makes a point, if God wanted the world to see his son and understand his message why send him to 1st century Palestine and not even write anything down?
If he appeared today maybe many people would still dismiss him but at least we would have video of him explaining his philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438399043
48903146,48916701,2015-08-01 03:18:09,">>48916628
>So why would you believe it is the truth?
Well you would, because it happened in front of your eyes. My point was Jesus comes down and walks on water, turns water into wine, etc and leaves behind any doubt that he is the Lord. How do YOU convince people 2000 years in the future of the truth you've witnessed?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438399089
48903146,48916776,2015-08-01 03:20:57,">>48916701
You can't. It was foolish for an omniscient God to inform humans of his existence and wills in such a way. And doubly foolish to condemn us all for not believing when he isn't providing sufficient reason to believe he exists.
And look, it follows the EXACT same pattern as every other made-up religion. What a coincidence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438399257
48903146,48916782,2015-08-01 03:21:07,">>48916688
If God sent his son down today everyone in the past 2000 years would've been damned. And like I said there would be no guarantee that people in the future would accept there was a man who could perform miracles because just like the Bible they'd say any video was edited, any photos doctored, etc.
Also his word has been spread pretty much worldwide, there would only be a handful of people in the world who haven't heard of Jesus. Apparently 1st century Palestine was exactly the right place to be if he wanted his word spread.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438399267
48903146,48916799,2015-08-01 03:21:50,">>48916701
That just shows that it was a shit idea to do it that way. Also i've seen magicians live. Seeing it with your eyes shouldn't have you convinced that they actually turned water into wine. It isn't like it was done in controlled conditions and observed and shit. Also even if someone could turn water into wine it doesn't mean they are right about everything they say outside of that. It just means they can turn water into wine.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438399310
48903146,48916849,2015-08-01 03:23:59,">>48916776
Well for starters the idea that God wants to give you evidence He exists is wrong. He wants you to take it on faith because thats the act that proves you trust and love Him. If He showed Himself then everyone would worship of course, but only out of feat of what happens if they don't. It takes away your free will, and your choice. God wants you to make a willing, conscious choice to turn toward Him and the only way to do that is if there is doubt about Him.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438399439
48903146,48916861,2015-08-01 03:24:28,">>48915695
Again, do note my analogy I had used before,
>It means he does not even know if God exists and does not treat the possibility of God existing one of many logical possibilities akin to the differing interpretations of Quantum Mechanics to use as analogy.
Each and every interpretation of QM are considered to be valid and plausible possibilities. However our limitations would entail that we can't know. In the case of the Matrix, yes we definitely would not know but pondering upon this is simply a waste of time given that we would not get anywhere. In contrast ideas about God still allow us to get somewhere given how even today this is still something quite significant in philosophy and its history. 
>Why? You can't prove they don't exist. They are a real possibility.
You are right. Problem is pondering upon these things would not get us anywhere. Sure it's fun to imagine what if those things exist once in a while but we would not get anywhere or gain any insights from such. In contrast the idea of God does allow for insights and knowledge to be gained. Same with the idea that he does not exist.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438399468
48903146,48916881,2015-08-01 03:25:06,">>48916849
>evidence takes away your free will
HA! If that was true then there would be no creationists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438399506
48903146,48916898,2015-08-01 03:25:40,Is this thread satire?,,Anonymous,1438330210046.gif,4IWBVt7nu9gd+wIWW2jveQ==,GB,,1438399540
48903146,48916936,2015-08-01 03:27:00,">>48916782
>If God sent his son down today everyone in the past 2000 years would've been damned.
>young earth creationist detected
You do realize humans have existed for about 200 thousand years?",,Anonymous,10380995_4242140467614_1982794081999103794_n.jpg,Q0rGxFzyBKXgSQHLMnaXcg==,US,,1438399620
48903146,48916969,2015-08-01 03:28:21,">>48916799
>That just shows that it was a shit idea to do it that way
Again, you're assuming Jesus mission was to prove God exists, and that isn't true. In fact several times when he heals people he tells them to keep quiet about it and not tell anyone. His job was to spread Gods message and sacrifice himself to bear humanities sin. Giving proof to skeptics was not one of his duties",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438399701
48903146,48917039,2015-08-01 03:31:03,">>48916969
>His job was to spread Gods message
Do you believe that his method couldn't be improved upon? Also human sacrifice is retarded.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438399863
48903146,48917068,2015-08-01 03:32:23,">>48917039
>Do you believe that his method couldn't be improved upon
Given that the only people on earth who haven't heard of Jesus Christ are the Sentinelese and other isolated tribes of people who have no contact with greater civilization, yeah I think his method worked pretty well.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438399943
48903146,48917099,2015-08-01 03:33:36,">>48916132
Thanks for your answers. 
With the first thing about evil gods, I suppose I was talking more about major religions, where the 'evil' god (if one is featured) is portrayed as weaker than the 'good' god and not a being that is to be worshiped. But hey, concept like good and evil are relative anyway.
This pantheism stuff is interesting.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438400016
48903146,48917123,2015-08-01 03:34:46,">>48917068
Are you really giving Jesus credit for something that other humans have done?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438400086
48903146,48917125,2015-08-01 03:34:50,">>48917068
Same can be said of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. All major religions are well-known by everyone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438400090
48903146,48917267,2015-08-01 03:40:27,">>48910617
Orale Medico!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438400427
48903146,48917354,2015-08-01 03:43:34,">>48916861
Wait what... I have no idea what you're saying.
Are you claiming it is more probable that God exists than he doesn't? That is is 50/50? I'm still not sure.
What you've basically said is:
>Certain things have no evidence but would ""get us somewhere""
>We should dismiss all the possible things without evidence that don't ""get us somewhere""
What does ""get us somewhere"" mean? Perhaps this?
>In contrast the idea of God does allow for insights and knowledge to be gained.
No it wouldn't. You gain NO KNOWLEDGE by saying God might exist. All you've done is point out that God is a hypothesis that could explain things we see in the world. I could make up literally INFINITELY many possible things that could explain things we see in our universe, and it wouldn't make any difference. I could say morals are made by aliens on Pluto, the universe was made my inter-dimensional faeries, and the only thing that is stopping us all from dying is healing beams from undetectable spirit birds. We need to focus on the evidence, and what the evidence tells us.
So far this is no evidence of God, no matter how ""insightful"" it would be if he actually existed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438400614
48903146,48917475,2015-08-01 03:48:01,">>48910685
Can I get a sauce on that? I really don't get what that means, or the consequences of that being true. Even just some google keywords?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438400881
48903146,48917525,2015-08-01 03:49:55,">>48917354
When I said ""get us somewhere"" it means to allow us to gain new insights and information. Speculating on whether faeries exist wouldn't. 
Given how quite a significant topic God is in the area of philosophy, it isn't really a stretch to conclude that such is irrelevant and does not allow us to gain new insights. To be fair certain conceptions of this God may indeed entail the situation you described. Also you need to actually make logical deductions and reasonings to show that morality is made by some aliens on Pluto or that the universe is made by inter-dimensional faeries. You can't just make the hypothesis and full stop. This is the same with God and it's the reason why we get a lot of arguments for his existence even since antiquity itself. I do not see any clear resolution to this debate given how both sides have some convincing arguments.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438400995
48903146,48917548,2015-08-01 03:50:32,">>48917475
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/23385/zero-energy-universe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438401032
48903146,48917578,2015-08-01 03:51:48,">>48917548
Thanks.
P.S: Argument from necessity is correct",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438401108
48903146,48917608,2015-08-01 03:53:12,">>48917525
Of course people argue for their god's existence, no matter what kind of god (or gods) they worship. So it has been through the entire history of man-made religion. These people base their philosophies, their values, their LIVES on the existence of God. They become personally attached to a hypothesis.
The arguments for God's existence are not good. You may note that they aren't taught in science classes for a very good reason.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438401192
48903146,48917778,2015-08-01 03:59:45,">>48917608
So I read those two links, and... Damn.
How is that your refutation for the laws of conservation? So far it seems like it's only Krauss positing this theory, and it doesn't seem like it has any real proof.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438401585
48903146,48917796,2015-08-01 04:00:41,">>48917778
The evidence is that the universe is flat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438401641
48903146,48917833,2015-08-01 04:02:02,">>48903146
Daily reminder these are only butthurt redditors and no respectable Christian will fall for the bait.
Turn the other cheek, sage.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438401722
48903146,48918035,2015-08-01 04:09:56,">>48917796
>flat in three dimensions
Sure. But if gravity exactly equaled energy, how could anything expand? 
>Note the repeated use of the word ""standard"" above. To amplify further on this point, there is a variety of possible ways to define mass-energy in general relativity. Some of these (Komar mass, ADM mass [Wald, p. 293], Bondi mass [Wald, p. 291]) are valid tensors, while others are things known as ""pseudo-tensors"" [Berman 1981]. Pseudo-tensors have various undesirable properties, such as coordinate-dependence.[Weiss] The tensorial definitions only apply to spacetimes that have certain special properties, such as asymptotic flatness or stationarity, and cosmological spacetimes don't have those properties. For certain pseudo-tensor definitions of mass-energy, the total energy of a closed universe can be calculated, and is zero.[Berman 2009] This does not mean that ""the"" energy of the universe is zero, especially since our universe may not be closed.
Seems entirely too new to accurately say that this is a 100% true theory. We simply don't know enough about large scale cosmology. 
Even googling those key words just leads to blogs, and the only real paper I could find from Schoen and Yan leads me to believe that Krauss was wrong yet again.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438402196
48903146,48918130,2015-08-01 04:12:52,">>48917796
http://www.wall.org/~aron/blog/did-the-universe-begin-vii-more-about-zero-energy/
might help?
reading it now",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438402372
48903146,48918188,2015-08-01 04:14:33,">>48917608
They are taught in philosophy classes. If arguments for God's existence sucked so bad, the SEP wouldn't even bother with actually presenting them and treating such as valid arguments. Platinga's ""Free Will Defense"" is an example of this, many philosophers would take this to be a legitimate defense and answer to the Problem of Evil. 
I'm going to agree with you that God isn't taught in the science class for a good reason and that is, science doesn't even deal with him in the first place. It focuses on the empirical world and how it works and then uses the knowledge gained to enhance technological development which may be for good or bad purposes. 
Damn it I wish Outerlimits was here. It's more fun dealing with him/her or whatever.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438402473
48903146,48918256,2015-08-01 04:16:55,">>48918188
>I'm going to agree with you that God isn't taught in the science class for a good reason and that is, science doesn't even deal with him in the first place. It focuses on the empirical world and how it works
Thanks for agreeing with me that God doesn't exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438402615
48903146,48918320,2015-08-01 04:19:05,">>48918035
All I'm saying is that if the universe didn't have zero net energy then the universe would be curved, but it appears to be flat.
Energy, gravity, matter, whatever, all bend the spacetime in some way. The fact that we live in a zero-energy universe would say that these things would all balance each other out into a flat universe. And that is what we see.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438402745
48903146,48918360,2015-08-01 04:20:25,">>48918256
You seem to be putting an enormous amount of faith in the idea that God doesn't exist. Remember that just because you've dug a hole doesn't mean you have to double down and keep digging. When you see the signs God will welcome you back with open arms.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438402825
48903146,48918361,2015-08-01 04:20:26,">>48918256
You got to be kidding me right? 
Please tell me you are just fucking around here.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438402826
48903146,48918398,2015-08-01 04:22:01,">>48918360
>faith
No that's whats supposed to be common sense.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438402921
48903146,48918424,2015-08-01 04:23:13,">>48918361
You just said science only focuses on the empirical universe, which is why they don't study God.
Or are you now baselessly claiming that there are other universes?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438402993
48903146,48918450,2015-08-01 04:24:14,">>48904008
Thats less than unhelpful and you know it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403054
48903146,48918479,2015-08-01 04:25:10,">>48904725
>bringing a lot of atheists out of the woodwork.
You mean the plebbit invasion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403110
48903146,48918513,2015-08-01 04:26:31,">>48903146
>we want a thread to discuss our discourse about something we dont believe is real and we dont call our beliefs beliefs",,Anonymous,fedora.gif,9pqS85J78j2PbHtL6M/7PQ==,US,,1438403191
48903146,48918514,2015-08-01 04:26:35,">>48918424
>Or are you now baselessly claiming that there are other universes?
Just chiming in here to say that without the multiverse theory God MUST exist according to science. That's why they're desperately trying to come up with a decent multiverse theory. The probability of a single universe being this finely tuned means that without outside intervention our evolution is too improbable to consider
“Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one…. Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument.”
-Cosmologist and astronomer Edward Robert Harrison",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438403195
48903146,48918528,2015-08-01 04:27:09,">>48918360
>When you see the signs God will welcome you back with open arms.
Which signs? Are these signs falsifiable?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438403229
48903146,48918553,2015-08-01 04:28:31,">>48918514
A multi-verse seems more probable than a god",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403311
48903146,48918591,2015-08-01 04:29:52,"Holy shit this is max autism. OP I'm an atheist and this is so fucking retarded.
>secular living and politics
What the fuck man? Atheism isn't an identity. It's just a lack of a belief.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403392
48903146,48918597,2015-08-01 04:30:02,">>48904725
We see through you reddit, these threads and others appear shortly after the Ellen poe fiasco. 
Christian generals have been a staple of /pol/ since back when it was /new/ 
Not to mention Christian generals and brit/pol/ were the only ones to fight back during the /pol/ harbor attack
You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to others",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403402
48903146,48918662,2015-08-01 04:32:16,">>48918424
>Or are you now baselessly claiming that there are other universes?
You do know there's a multiverse in one of the interpretations of QM right? I'm a friggin Business with Econs major and even I know that isn't really nonsensical. 
Also, just because I said that science only focuses on the empirical universe does it entail that I suddenly reject God and turn fedora. Philosophy for example doesn't really deal with the empirical universe yet it isn't rejected as nonsensical or maybe it is most notably by the nigger popsci figure, Neil Degrasse Tyson.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438403536
48903146,48918683,2015-08-01 04:33:07,">>48918597
>Christian generals have been a staple of /pol/ since back when it was /new/
No, sorry, this is a blatant lie. Edgy contrarian Christianity has been around for only two years or so, long after /new/ went down. Apparently you people just can't stop lying, can you?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438403587
48903146,48918707,2015-08-01 04:34:08,">>48903596
They replace it with science like people over 100 years ago said they would. Scientists just become the new prophets/priests.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403648
48903146,48918737,2015-08-01 04:34:57,">>48918683
Again you can lie to yourself but you can't lie to others",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403697
48903146,48918746,2015-08-01 04:35:29,"I've been with this board since /new/ and atheists ARE NOT and NEVER HAVE BEEN welcome here.
CHRIST IS LORD
GODLESS GO AWAY",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438403729
48903146,48918763,2015-08-01 04:36:16,">>48918662
>Philosophy for example doesn't really deal with the empirical universe yet it isn't rejected as nonsensical
Yes it is. Hardly anyone takes any of you morons seriously. You people live in an academic bubble that doesn't allow any criticism, so when someone finds out how dumb these 'proofs' are, all of you people retreat back into the churches and universities you came from",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438403776
48903146,48918779,2015-08-01 04:37:00,">>48918662
Those ""other universes"" are just different sections of a single universe. THE UNIVERSE is defined to be everything, it is meaningless to exist outside of it. Multiverse is just a theory of how it is all laid out and developed on the grandest of scales.
Also, stop mentioning QM. You honestly sound like you learned everything you know about QM from the pop-sci people that you are criticizing. 
>Philosophy for example doesn't really deal with the empirical universe
If it doesn't then it is meaningless. Same with math. They're just tools we've invented for reasoning about the universe.
Science as we know it today is pretty much the ultimate perfection of philosophy, math and method coming together to uncover the truths about our universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403820
48903146,48918794,2015-08-01 04:37:21,>>48918707,,Anonymous,1437894184966.gif,B8ls+68gLnzhKorHQJHi/Q==,US,,1438403841
48903146,48918798,2015-08-01 04:37:37,">>48918683
Confirming this.
christian threads popped up suddenly and not long ago. 2 years maybe. 
Just another christshitter lying his ass off...",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1438403857
48903146,48918807,2015-08-01 04:38:05,">>48903146
https://youtu.be/Dcj_lQWcuAk?t=1608",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438403885
48903146,48918815,2015-08-01 04:38:21,">>48918746
go back to /x/ christfags 
/pol/ is for politics, not imaginary wonderings about invisible silent magical sky daddy.",,Anonymous,1428202151988.jpg,lCTe3WlqCqmZFQ/Lr97jiw==,US,,1438403901
48903146,48918840,2015-08-01 04:39:41,">>48918746
/new/ was libertarian and never even discussed religion. Until contrarian catholics invaded /pol/, religion wasn't even being discussed on here.
Once again, you demonstrate why no one lukes christians. They're shameless, honorless liars who will lie, cheat and swindle in any way possible to sell their invisible product",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438403981
48903146,48918846,2015-08-01 04:40:03,">>48918798
>Forgetting the old ossuary threads
back before they just call themselves Christian generals",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404003
48903146,48918929,2015-08-01 04:43:32,">>48918846
Which were much more civilized and attracted a better kind of religious person.
The christian generals we have nowadays are far, far removed from that and the people who populate them are, undeniably, SJWs under any other name and cause.",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1438404212
48903146,48918946,2015-08-01 04:44:22,">>48918815
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-hutson/autism-atheism_b_1557098.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html
Not a meme
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/01/sunday-assembly-atheist_n_5915830.html
Nice try shill",,Anonymous,timthumb (1).jpg,WZKGf64Ftfw9tAiy7fdNJQ==,US,,1438404262
48903146,48918954,2015-08-01 04:44:36,Fuck off back to Reddit you bluepill plebs.,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438404276
48903146,48918964,2015-08-01 04:44:49,">>48918779
>Also, stop mentioning QM. You honestly sound like you learned everything you know about QM from the pop-sci people that you are criticizing. 
Heh, I kinda gotten it from a Cosmology documentary by Martin Rees who isn't really one of those philosophy bashers. 
Anyways if you want to define the universe as everything then yeah, there's a single universe. It depends on how one uses the word I guess. Even then I'm merely using the multiple interpretations of QM as an analogy.
>If it doesn't then it is meaningless. Same with math. They're just tools we've invented for reasoning about the universe.
Is ethics useless? Are the philosophical issues surrounding the epistemology of science useless?....etc 
>Science as we know it today is pretty much the ultimate perfection of philosophy, math and method coming together to uncover the truths about our universe.
Yeah this is true but it doesn't discount all the other stuffs about philosophy and maths. After all the very roots of science itself is from philosophy.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438404289
48903146,48918978,2015-08-01 04:45:27,">>48904008
so you are just absurdist or nihilist then?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438404327
48903146,48918995,2015-08-01 04:45:59,">>48918929
Elaborate",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404359
48903146,48919007,2015-08-01 04:46:28,">>48918946
see >>48904657",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404388
48903146,48919051,2015-08-01 04:48:28,">>48918964
>Is ethics useless? Are the philosophical issues surrounding the epistemology of science useless?....etc
If they are not grounded in the real world, then yes. I've outlined my own ethical philosophy here: http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404508
48903146,48919057,2015-08-01 04:48:42,">>48904008
So you're basically Al-Ma' arri?
Described as a ""pessimistic freethinker"", Al-Maʿarri was a controversial rationalist of his time, citing reason as the chief source of truth. He was pessimistic about life describing himself as ""a double prisoner"" of blindness and isolation. He attacked the dogmas of religion and rejected Islam. He was equally sarcastic towards the religions of Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians. He advocated social justice, and lived a secluded, ascetic lifestyle. He was a strict vegetarian, writing ""do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals."" Al-Maʿarri held an anti-natalist view, in line with his general pessimism, suggesting that children should not be born to spare them of the pains of life.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404522
48903146,48919112,2015-08-01 04:50:47,">>48919007
See>>48904803",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404647
48903146,48919155,2015-08-01 04:52:29,">>48918995
From the very first new christian threads and the shift in /pol/'s christian population from ""religious"" to ""religious nutjub"" the theists disregarded the discussion of their ideology and instead started to push it like demagouges. That sticky on the front page? It's like an instruction manual for the ""new"" christians!",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1438404749
48903146,48919160,2015-08-01 04:52:55,">>48918840
>/new/ was libertarian and never even discussed religion.
Yeah, for the first couple of months, and atheists weren't even welcome then. Objectivists were an open joke. Then it became increasingly National Socialist and Christian. Then atheists invaded after the Exodus, apparently.
>Until contrarian catholics invaded /pol/
lol Catholics have never been a major force. /pol/ and /new/ before her were Protestant.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438404775
48903146,48919164,2015-08-01 04:53:00,">>48903146
mfw ppl are STILL banging on about this like it's 2008 or something
join the real master race",,Anonymous,Christ Pantocrator - Saint Catherine&#039;s Monastery.jpg,qlvupKbEYpeWOlzbls+KIQ==,AU,,1438404780
48903146,48919221,2015-08-01 04:55:49,">>48919051
Good, well done you practically dismiss the epistemology of science which even the good YT Atheists like Concordance(I think the ""o""s are ""0""s I dunno go and check him out I guess) don't even dismiss and use them to explain the basis for a good scientific theory. Another YT Atheist, Negation of P also uses epistemology to attack Christianity(at least the Calvinist version of it). 
Of course if you want, these things do relate to the real world and have serious implications. I wouldn't say they are empirical however.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438404949
48903146,48919229,2015-08-01 04:56:09,">>48919160
Again, all of this is blatant lies and all you do is show what a gigantic newfag you are. You even think /new/ had nazifags, which only show that you arrived after the exodus, which you tout as your historical 'experience'.
You're a newfag. Now fuck off, faggot",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438404969
48903146,48919236,2015-08-01 04:56:23,">>48919155
You forget that didn't happen till after the /pol/ harbor attack and the muslim generals chimp out, added to the fact that r/atheism suddenly appeared after the Ellen Poe situation. 
Well what did you expect?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438404983
48903146,48919277,2015-08-01 04:58:21,">>48919229
I used to tripfag on /new/ as a Christian Identitier.
Watchword time. Tell me who Lazare is.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438405101
48903146,48919290,2015-08-01 04:58:54,">>48919236
Nigga, all of that happened AFTER the fact.
/pol/ christians went to shit right about the time *tips fedora* hit viral status.",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1438405134
48903146,48919307,2015-08-01 04:59:35,">>48919221
You're going to need to elaborate. I'm not gonna watch ""YT Atheists"" for you.
If I've dismissed something with no connection to the real world, then I don't care.
Otherwise, continue.
(Also, did you even read the paste I wrote?)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438405175
48903146,48919352,2015-08-01 05:01:18,">>48919229
>You even think /new/ had nazifags, which only show that you arrived after the exodus, which you tout as your historical 'experience'.
Oh, and by the way, the reason moot deleted /new/ was because, and I quote, it had ""become /stormfront/."" Nazis were all over /new/. I was one of them.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438405278
48903146,48919455,2015-08-01 05:05:35,">>48919290
>non American using, nigga
you're pulling facts outta your ass, I was in those generals before moot decided to fuck with /pol/.
We kept to ourselves occasionally arguing with muslims and atheist that would come in to shitpost, then that cuck moot decided to shit on /pol/ inviting all boards to fuck with /pol/ and that's when the generals went in the offensive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438405535
48903146,48919548,2015-08-01 05:09:36,">>48919307
I was merely giving examples of good atheistic arguments which makes use of philosophical concepts, usually from the area of epistemology. Anyways if you don't want to watch them then that's fine by me but I do recommend since these channels are at least IMO the good Atheist channels on YT. 
Of course since practically all of philosophy itself have connections with the real world just that it isn't really scientific given it doesn't study natural phenomenon and natural laws.
Anyways I read your pastebin. I'm going to try to sum up your thoughts on morality and do correct me should I misrepresent you.
a)Value=Desire
b)The top value is happiness from which all other values would be derived from
c)To act in ""X"" way is to act in a way that would or perhaps may be most suitable to bring about this happiness 
d)Happiness isn't some mere temporary pleasure but rather something that gives life meaning and is long term
e)The two main values which bring this about are compassion and integrity
Are these correct?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438405776
48903146,48919617,2015-08-01 05:12:19,"Hey, anon. Yes, you, reading this right now.
I've just prayed for you to one day be able to experience freedom from whatever it is that is binding your life and keeping you from being the best human you can be.
I've asked God to work in you and eventually show you what it means to live a life that no longer has to wallow in it's own guilt and shame. A life that is better able to fight through any harmful addictions you may have or any you may develop in the future.
I've prayed for your physical and emotional wellbeing. Even you, an atheist, might agree with the statement that life is rare, human life even more so, and that inherently gives it some sort of value. May you use your life to better yourself and those around you.
I've prayed for you to be able to have loving, truthful, meaningful conversations with Christians both online and irl. Not only so they may show you the Way, but also so that you may have a positive impact on their lives.
I've prayed for you.
You may not think that my praying will do any good.
> God does not exist, and all that
But I know it does. I have experienced it in my own life, as have so many others.
May God bless you. Even/especially if you truly don't think He exists.",,Anonymous,needjesus.jpg,zBHpPafglBFr9UC7uxluig==,US,,1438405939
48903146,48919647,2015-08-01 05:13:33,">>48919617
Well said",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438406013
48903146,48919677,2015-08-01 05:14:47,>>48918794,,Anonymous,werner-heisenbergs-quotes-6.jpg,Fi+6y5OsOEzdFMM/H7GeBQ==,US,,1438406087
48903146,48919692,2015-08-01 05:15:41,">>48919617
They will have a chance for atonement in death.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438406141
48903146,48919695,2015-08-01 05:15:46,">>48919548
>a)Value=Desire
I make a distinction here: ""In the simplest parlance, a value is a latent, ever-present desire, to be distinguished from the fleeting, momentary, or incidental desires.""
The rest seems mostly correct.
>Of course since practically all of philosophy itself have connections with the real world just that it isn't really scientific given it doesn't study natural phenomenon and natural laws.
Right, not everything can be done completely with science. Like ethics for example. But we should still take what we know about the real world and only extrapolate from there, whether it is science or philosophy. Otherwise we aren't going to end up at conclusions based on the real world.
There is pretty much where God sits. A philosophical framework, a metaphysics, a value system, etc. that doesn't exist in the real world, and isn't based on anything in the real world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438406146
48903146,48919779,2015-08-01 05:19:02,">>48919677
noice",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438406342
48903146,48919808,2015-08-01 05:20:23,Why do people assume black people are more prone to impulsive and violent behavior?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438406423
48903146,48919975,2015-08-01 05:28:18,">>48919695
Ok fair enough I guess I understand your ethics now. Not bad I guess.
>Right, not everything can be done completely with science. Like ethics for example. But we should still take what we know about the real world and only extrapolate from there, whether it is science or philosophy. Otherwise we aren't going to end up at conclusions based on the real world.
Hmmm, I suppose so. However I do not see anything wrong with metaphysics as long as it doesn't get into crap like ""How many angels can fit on a pin"" which isn't relevant. 
Anyways, the issue of the validity of God itself is still quite hotly debatable given that quite a number of these arguments for God's existence rely upon observations of the natural world itself(let's cross out the ID argument since that's quite stupid) such as Aquinas'. Now I get that you argued with Wolfenstien about this before with regards to the ""unmoved mover"" argument. Still that Wolfenstien guy did manage to write a counter-arg to this: >>48904970. I won't be taking sides here since one can simply refine his argument to fit more with modern science but that's just my thoughts anyways.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438406898
48903146,48920016,2015-08-01 05:30:17,">>48917525
What he is arguing here is true. Christian morality derives itself from divine authority. So does the Vatican's right to decide pretty much everything in your life. Depending on your sect you might even suffer heaven or hell based on how much you follow the pope/bible/etc.
>>48918188
I was taking a nap, little girls do that a lot
>>48918514 Mai finley tuning
The universe wasn't designed for humans.
Humans were designed for the universe. That's evolution
>but the universe is stable
If the universe was unstable it would crash than reform into another shape, keep doing this until it formed something persistent. For all we know this could be 10,000th version of the universe before it finally found something that worked!
>>48918662
Philosophy can deal with relatively empirical things. It can look at history, psychology, etc and try to find patterns in humanity. Than explain the best way to engineer desirable patterns.
>>48919236
Christianity did not used to be a part of /pol/ they were a vocal minority and they seem to have gotten a lot of idiot converts that have no clue what the religion is about and probably never read the bible. Probably the type of idiots that have lame arguements like 'how can u be moral without God!' They seem to be Christians for meme reasons. Like they think the religion is about fighting Allah Akbars or something.
Atheist posters came out to counter the stupid shit and eventually someone decided we should have a general which is better than having 6 different 'if God is x than y' threads",,OuterLimits,1437450280358.png,cvRbbo7ZmQtqGybg22Y1Mg==,US,,1438407017
48903146,48920071,2015-08-01 05:32:48,">>48919975
>Still that Wolfenstien guy did manage to write a counter-arg to this
No he didn't, see >>48905675
The /lit/fag's argument basically boiled down to:
>my made-up metaphysics are better than ones based on based on reality 
>I'm gonna make more baseless assertions about the nature of god to explain away your argument
>I didn't understand what the atheist wrote so I'm gonna argue against a strawman
>I conclude that an immaterial God somehow interacts with the material world yet remains immaterial",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438407168
48903146,48920167,2015-08-01 05:36:46,">>48920016
>Christian morality derives itself from divine authority. So does the Vatican's right to decide pretty much everything in your life. Depending on your sect you might even suffer heaven or hell based on how much you follow the pope/bible/etc.
Yes this is true indeed. I'm quite uncomfortable with the notion of Divine Command Theory that WLC used. 
Here's a fun fact about Calvinism, whether you suffer or get saved is already determined prior to the act of God making the world and shit.
>Philosophy can deal with relatively empirical things. It can look at history, psychology, etc and try to find patterns in humanity. Than explain the best way to engineer desirable patterns.
Yeah true that's what Max Weber did. However this does not necessarily deny the argument of the theist.
Anyways here's an interesting fun fact about the Hua Yen school of Buddhism, they are quite theistic. They believe that everything including other minds themselves are the projection of the One Mind which is the Buddha's mind itself. 
However if you want something closer to the original teachings of Gautama Buddha, you are better of looking at the Theravada or also pejoratively known as the ""lesser vehicle"".",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438407406
48903146,48920170,2015-08-01 05:36:52,">>48920016
>humans were designed for the universe.",,Anonymous,Monod.jpg,Wwlajr7gUSyppESrDJR6JQ==,US,,1438407412
48903146,48920244,2015-08-01 05:40:53,">>48920071
Ok.....fair enough I guess. Though for the last point, some theologians like Gregory of Nyssa would simply contend that the whole physical universe is nothing more than a sort of hologram projected out of the mind of God. One prominent YT Christian Apologist embraced this that is Inspiringphilosophy the only entertaining channel on YT about Christianity I could ever find.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438407653
48903146,48920323,2015-08-01 05:44:29,">>48920244
>Though for the last point, some theologians like Gregory of Nyssa would simply contend that the whole physical universe is nothing more than a sort of hologram projected out of the mind of God.
Isn't this just the Matrix theory, which you've already said was pointless?
>>48916861
> In the case of the Matrix, yes we definitely would not know but pondering upon this is simply a waste of time given that we would not get anywhere",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438407869
48903146,48920372,2015-08-01 05:46:51,">>48920323
Not really. That's basically Classical Idealism.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438408011
48903146,48920546,2015-08-01 05:54:45,">>48920372
But it is pointless for the same reasons.
And not based on the real world.
So anyway, I hope I've helped you with reaching your disbelief in gods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438408485
48903146,48920600,2015-08-01 05:56:52,">>48903146
Atheists use silly analogies to explain away their lack of morality and common sense.
If there's no God, I can do anything. I can lie, cheat and steal, and so what?
If an atheist could think logically, instead of just emoting like a leftist, they'd see that there is solid circumstantial evidence of God, and none that He doesn't exist.
But they can't, so they don't.
The only interest atheists have is trying to substitute acceptance by other losers for the love they never got as children.",,Anonymous,1426600411736.jpg,ZWUXdUu5jo0aOS08UxYA8Q==,US,,1438408612
48903146,48920635,2015-08-01 05:58:11,">>48920016
I've expanded the videos section:
http://pastebin.com/cBWT61gj",,Anonymous,transform.png,nMsDZwXqfd4FwPs3LERG/A==,US,,1438408691
48903146,48920651,2015-08-01 05:58:57,">>48920600
I hope this is bait.
1/10 I replied",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438408737
48903146,48920686,2015-08-01 06:00:41,">>48920546
>But it is pointless for the same reasons.
How so? Such doesn't deny scientific pursuits or even concede that we live in the matrix. 
>So anyway, I hope I've helped you with reaching your disbelief in gods.
Not really tbh. I've seen enough debates to the point that I'm basically stuck in the middle I would say. Usually I explore the beliefs of religious systems(mainly Christianity) and their history rather than ask myself whether ""Is X denomination of religion Y true"". 
Anyways here's an argument against Christianity you can use,
Given the radically differing perspectives in Christianity and that each and every one basically claims what they preach is what the Bible says. Which is true? If we can't know which is true then would it mean that God is deliberately hiding the truth from us and thus steer us to damnation?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438408841
48903146,48920737,2015-08-01 06:02:54,">>48920600
please show some tolerance, conservatard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438408974
48903146,48920799,2015-08-01 06:04:58,">>48920686
>How so? Such doesn't deny scientific pursuits or even concede that we live in the matrix.
Because it doesn't get us anywhere :^)
>Usually I explore the beliefs of religious systems(mainly Christianity) and their history rather than ask myself whether ""Is X denomination of religion Y true"". 
Well, if you're not looking for truth you're obviously not going to come to a conclusion on god.
>Anyways here's an argument against Christianity you can use,
That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438409098
48903146,48920845,2015-08-01 06:06:35,">>48920651
Not bait. Truth.
Open your mind.",,Anonymous,jesus.jpg,+WsCediD/2xbWhpeXc6mAA==,US,,1438409195
48903146,48920899,2015-08-01 06:08:41,">>48920799
>That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
Why? Tell me during the next Atheism General. 
>Because it doesn't get us anywhere :^)
It's merely presupposed should God exist. Plus this isn't something that has always taken precedence in Christianity itself
>Well, if you're not looking for truth you're obviously not going to come to a conclusion on god.
I think it's quite impossible and one have to do as Kierkegaard did in the end after hearing everything from both sides, that is to simply take a leap of faith in the face of the absurd nature of existence. 
Sweet dreams :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438409321
48903146,48920914,2015-08-01 06:09:42,">>48920600
If you never had love as a child than the would probably become a Christian. Replace your shitty real father a loving fake father. Kind of sad really.
From our basics bin
Humans create their own value, their own meaning, their own good and bad. Atheists contest that since religion is made by a priesthood and there is no God, the religion's values too are man-made. God is just their sock puppet. There are many examples of moral/meaning/philosophies that do not relay on a God.
Some examples of these thought are: Nietzsche,Secular Humanism, Buddhism, Taoism, Unitarianism, Objectivism, Cultural Christianity, '
You will find explanations of these in the pastebin. 
>>48920635
ty. There's actually a lot of updates to the bin. I'm uploading a lot of the new Fedora-chan art and the religious profiles section has been greatly expanded. Since everyone is asleep ill wait till tommorw and announce them in a new thread
>>48920686
Pure Agnosticism is a perfectly reasonable stance. Given a just God he would judge you based on your merits. A God that creates 32 different religions with different rules and they are all equally unprovable is basically playing roullete with the universe. 
I know Einstein said something about God and roulette or was it dice?
If you like the value system of a religion you can follow it without having a firm belief in it's God.",,OuterLimits,1433671180898.jpg,Sr+Os1MnVwgJZb7u0kGOqA==,US,,1438409382
48903146,48920943,2015-08-01 06:11:17,">>48920686
>Anyways here's an argument against Christianity you can use,
Wrong, champ.
It's an argument against the men who started those faiths, who are now dead.
Your next sentence is retarded in that you assume God should appear before us and tell us exactly what to do.
As a Malaysian I suppose you have no problem with your life being strictly controlled; in fact, most of the world seems to feel that way.
As an American, founded under God, free will is as important to me as it is to Him.
The Bible (God) demands very little of us. Just don't be a dick to your fellows.",,Anonymous,holyfuck.jpg,b03h/3wQFwkn1o+JmAQgeg==,US,,1438409477
48903146,48920963,2015-08-01 06:12:22,">>48920737
That's the leftist viewpoint, isn't it?
>i can say anything at all about you and your beliefs
>plz don't hurt my feelings",,Anonymous,feelings (2).jpg,yd3zDde464TUXKCaLK8ToQ==,US,,1438409542
48903146,48921002,2015-08-01 06:14:29,">>48920914
>If you never had love as a child than the would probably become a Christian
Stopped there.
You can't make a blanket statement based on nothing and expect anyone of normal intelligence to consider your next ""thought"".",,Anonymous,fuckingSteve.jpg,t47vj1HvKe/ceAW/CbdI8Q==,US,,1438409669
48903146,48921007,2015-08-01 06:14:53,">>48920914
I guess so. Honestly I'm sometimes kept awake from the prospect of the Calvinistic or Fundamentalist Evangelical god being the true god that exists. Help me :(
Einstein said that God does not play dice though the context of this has to do with Quantum Mechanics and his negative impressions of it(given how it opposes his view that the universe is completely deterministic)
>If you like the value system of a religion you can follow it without having a firm belief in it's God.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if I can have a firm belief in a deity or not but I'm quite attracted to the beliefs of the EO and OO. 
Now that reminds me, post pics :3",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438409693
48903146,48921109,2015-08-01 06:18:53,">>48920943
>It's an argument against the men who started those faiths, who are now dead.
Yeah in the sense that it's against their ideas which are quite contradictory to one another.
>Your next sentence is retarded in that you assume God should appear before us and tell us exactly what to do.
No it doesn't. It simply posits that should that God exists he is definitely hiding the truth from most of us by making it extremely difficult or impossible to even attain
>As a Malaysian I suppose you have no problem with your life being strictly controlled; in fact, most of the world seems to feel that way.
Hahahahaha. That's cute :)
>As an American, founded under God, free will is as important to me as it is to Him.
The Calvinist don't seem to think the same way or Luther himself. 
>The Bible (God) demands very little of us. Just don't be a dick to your fellows.
It demands quite a lot actually, especially under the 'new' perspective of Paul",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438409933
48903146,48921404,2015-08-01 06:30:28,">>48921109
>>It's an argument against the men who started those faiths, who are now dead.
>Yeah in the sense that it's against their ideas which are quite contradictory to one another.
The Bible contradicts itself all over the place.
It's not a howto book. It's human wisdom from the dawn of civilization, groping toward understanding.
>>Your next sentence is retarded in that you assume God should appear before us and tell us exactly what to do.
>No it doesn't. It simply posits that should that God exists he is definitely hiding the truth from most of us by making it extremely difficult or impossible to even attain
That's what I said. You want Truth. That is not self-determination.
Whenever an advanced civilization met a backward tribe, the backward tribe was destroyed. If God showed up, our culture and uniqueness would be destroyed. And most people would give up. What's the point of any science when He already knows it? Why try to feed my family if He is right there?
>>As a Malaysian I suppose you have no problem with your life being strictly controlled; in fact, most of the world seems to feel that way.
>Hahahahaha. That's cute :)
And true. 
>>As an American, founded under God, free will is as important to me as it is to Him.
>The Calvinist don't seem to think the same way or Luther himself.
I don't care and neither should anyone else. If you can read, it's right there.
Organized religion started when the masses were illiterate. Now we aren't. We don't need someone telling us what's in our particular Book.
>>The Bible (God) demands very little of us. Just don't be a dick to your fellows.
>It demands quite a lot actually, especially under the 'new' perspective of Paul
Paul only 'demanded' love. Nothing else.",,Anonymous,god.jpg,+Mc32m4syoS8jf+7J3oLew==,US,,1438410628
48903146,48921406,2015-08-01 06:30:35,">>48921007
>Honestly I'm sometimes kept awake from the prospect of the Calvinistic or Fundamentalist Evangelical god being the true god that exists. Help me :(
I used to be this way. It's basically rule by fear. When I was younger I reasoned that God would not be cruel and judge someone based on whether or not they kissed his ass. Now that I'm older I've realized that if God really is a tyrant we just do the same fucking thing we've always done with tyrants: kill it. 
Humans have gotten so such a strong sense of 'Independence' and 'freedom' I don't think Yawhei would have much support if he came down and announced he was overthrowing all the government. Even the Vatican wouldn't trust him, because he'd be taking away their authority! 
>EO and OO
Whats that?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438410635
48903146,48921947,2015-08-01 06:51:21,">>48921406
How do you even kill that which is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. It knows everything you will do even beforehand....if such a thing even is how he perceives it.
We can only simply hope that should this God exist he is really omnibenevolent, otherwise we are all screwed or he doesn't exist. I don't care if there's no God at all. 
>Whats that?
Eastern and Oriental Orthodox.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438411881
48903146,48922707,2015-08-01 07:22:24,">>48921947
Do you really beleive someone when they say ""I am incapable of lying?""
Let's say God does exist. The entire basis for his power is his own word.
No one actually saw him doing any miracles. Many of them have been outright proven as lies (exodus never happened so he never parted the red seas). God's first statement to man 'you will die if you eat this fruit' is itself a lie. We've broken the 120 life span theologians insist on, as day biblical characters like Job. 
Theologians just take God's word at face value. God says the most outrageous things ""I created everything. I can do everything"" and than he asks us to never test him! Meanwhile Satan is telling everyone that God is a liar and we are told to not listen.
God's actions are very, very suspicious for being the supposed 'all powerful God'. In the old testament he lives in constant fear of other gods and even loses battles against him. 
The New Testament has God even weaker. The first story tells of King herod's wizard who learns of the messiah being born through his prophecy and tells his king. The sorcerer actually learns about this before Mary does. The old testament is also filled with other stories of humans magic fighting God's magic.
The biggest trick God does in all the New testament is the resurrection. Jesus is constantly telling us he has bigger magic tricks but never does them. He tells his judge he has the power to summon a host of angels that would slaughter him but chooses not to.
All of the big stuff in the New Testament is just empty threats. ""I will return on judgment day to smite you all!""
Ever seen one of those anime or movies where there is 'God', the God does have powers but he greatly exaggerators them. The heroes reveal that he was a liar and end up killing them. ""Why does God need a spacecraft?""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438413744
48903146,48922923,2015-08-01 07:31:17,">>48922707
Yeah maybe. Anyways I'm outside so see u tomorrow my love. Also if u want any requests for drawing Fedora chan, go to /pol/ drawthread where another Malaysia anon may just draw for u should u pay him.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438414277
48939741,48939741,2015-08-01 15:59:09,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. Agnosticism is answering ""No"" to the question ""Do you believe it is possible to know whether any gods exist?"". Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,fedora_bewbs.png,FDiUCNoTU70YzQGs1Uqbzg==,US,,1438444749
48939741,48939786,2015-08-01 16:00:08,where's chilean bro at????,,Anonymous,1438402680037.png,jW71K6AbzJ9EK8kyBgU/MQ==,MX,,1438444808
48939741,48939800,2015-08-01 16:00:24,">>48939741
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_classy.jpg,ZZ/x/jKzhyUV4W+hYSf+fw==,US,,1438444824
48939741,48939927,2015-08-01 16:03:13,">>48939786
He is based as fuck, hope he returns",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438444993
48939741,48939968,2015-08-01 16:04:17,">>48939800
>crossdressing
>classy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438445057
48939741,48939989,2015-08-01 16:04:37,welcome back OP. Here goes another night of talking to yourself about memes.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438445077
48939741,48940019,2015-08-01 16:05:22,">>48939968
>>48939989
You guys know there are more flavors than salty, right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438445122
48939741,48940159,2015-08-01 16:08:50,">>48939741
why are there so few atheists?",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438445330
48939741,48940167,2015-08-01 16:09:14,">>48939741
lol at the definition of agnostic.
>""Do you believe it is possible to know whether any gods exist?""
iam agnostic and i just dont know if there is a god, i dont think its imposible to know.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1438445354
48939741,48940229,2015-08-01 16:10:52,">>48940159
Atheism on a large scale is a pretty new idea, and its adoption won't be as fast as something like computers or TV.
Pew reports that ""None"" is the fastest growing religious category though.",,Anonymous,religion-gallup-none.jpg,p3lrFzgTvxPKul+8L9y2CQ==,US,,1438445452
48939741,48940311,2015-08-01 16:12:42,">>48940167
>i just dont know if there is a god, i dont think its imposible to know.
That's weak agnosticism, as opposed to strong agnosticism. Should I add that to the FAQ?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438445562
48940800,48940800,2015-08-01 16:24:21,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General Thread,Anonymous,better_news.jpg,49SnAvdl4aswLZ1oSQ2tAg==,US,,1438446261
48940800,48940835,2015-08-01 16:25:06,">>48940800
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1438446306
48940800,48941079,2015-08-01 16:29:54,">>48940835
cant we have a non fedora and gross looking jacket atheist chan?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,1414241465203.jpg,7Fq7i7i99GG6zHeOuEhaUQ==,CA,,1438446594
48940800,48941138,2015-08-01 16:31:09,">>48941079
I don't see why not. 
Christians are just gonna photoshop a fedora on to her though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438446669
48940800,48941154,2015-08-01 16:31:25,">>48941079
>implying hitler was bad
and shit like this is why no one likes atheists",,SUNNI PERSIAN MASTERRACE,,,US,,1438446685
48940800,48941218,2015-08-01 16:32:44,">>48941154
im going to assume you just didnt read the image. Its saying hitler was a decent guy compared to muhammad.
>>48941138
I was thinking like a scientist in a lab coat or something",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438446764
48940800,48941233,2015-08-01 16:32:58,">>48941079
She is pretty sexy though",,Anonymous,1438409452667.png,FDiUCNoTU70YzQGs1Uqbzg==,US,,1438446778
48940800,48941300,2015-08-01 16:34:24,">>48941218
>I was thinking like a scientist in a lab coat or something
Science-chan?",,Anonymous,science mathematics anime steinsgate makise kurisu anime girls 2771x4100 wallpaper_www.wall321.com_29.jpg,8ARIH7EgYsL5ZQquFt81Ng==,US,,1438446864
48940800,48941369,2015-08-01 16:35:49,">>48941233
would be cuter if she was a scientist. Fedoras are not sexy.
And yeah just give science chan a giant A or something on her shirt and it could be the same person pretty much",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438446949
48940800,48941514,2015-08-01 16:38:46,">>48941079
hitler was also anti-religion",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438447126
48940800,48941591,2015-08-01 16:40:37,">>48941369
Yeah, it wouldn't be that big of a switch... 
>make the coat white instead of black 
>remove the hat
Done.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438447237
48940800,48941604,2015-08-01 16:40:49,">>48941300
Those legs are disgustingly skinny",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438447249
48940800,48941840,2015-08-01 16:45:33,how has the fedora become associated with atheism?,,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438447533
48940800,48941942,2015-08-01 16:47:37,">>48941840
Reddit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438447657
48940800,48942077,2015-08-01 16:50:24,">>48941840
r/atheism took pictures of themselves and overlaid their own quotes on them to show their bravery. It climaxed when aalewis created the legendary ""In this moment I am euphoric, not because of any phony Gods blessing, but because I am enlightened by my own intelligence"" quote.
It was an own goal of massive proportions",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438447824
48940800,48942163,2015-08-01 16:52:10,">>48941514
Not really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#National_Socialist_attitudes_towards_Christianity
""Hitler never portrayed himself and the Nazi movement to the German people as outspoken proponents of atheism, but rather as faithful Christians.[24][25] He publicly declared: ""We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian.""
Its most likely hitler realized it was a lot easier to manipulate the masses by appealing to their religious beliefs. I dont think he himself was religious but he certainly saw use for it. He dabbled in the occult and paganism but its unclear whether or not he actually believed any of it.
I find it hard to believe that a man who hated the jews so passionately was not at least somewhat religious.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,1401859829482.jpg,T8fIKgV2fmWRThNV/Um3eQ==,CA,,1438447930
48940800,48942335,2015-08-01 16:55:47,">>48940800
>Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
Explain why a person can't just be agnostic.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438448147
48940800,48942360,2015-08-01 16:56:15,">he believes NASA's lies
>he doesn't know that there isn't a single image of the entire Earth in existence - all ""composites""
>he doesn't know about NASA space bubbles
>he thinks an astronaut can survive space radiation
Nah but I guess you're the expert because you read a Wikipedia article",,Anonymous,RRnhhqW.gif,ydyvY0vm6MO/iPDUjil0gg==,GB,,1438448175
48940800,48942425,2015-08-01 16:57:26,">>48940800
Thanks for sacrificing your race to the Muslims. It'll be a lot more fun to watch you all have your faces cut off by Achmed than it would've been to kill you all manually.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438448246
48940800,48942463,2015-08-01 16:58:10,">>48942335
Because they are positions on two totally different things",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438448290
48940800,48942466,2015-08-01 16:58:13,">>48940800
What is that stupid fag even trying to say?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438448293
48940800,48942485,2015-08-01 16:58:40,">>48942360
ive been in space and i can confirm that the earth is actually flat.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438448320
48940800,48942501,2015-08-01 16:58:54,">>48942360
i hope this is a troll post and you arent actually this retarded
We used to live in texas and my neighbour worked on the giant arm for the space station. He got to actually go up into low grav orbit and float around and took some pictures of the earth himself.
You arent very smart if you think NASA would spend all that money on something that wasn't real.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438448334
48940800,48942542,2015-08-01 16:59:47,">>48942463
What if you were just clever enough to not choose a position?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438448387
48940800,48942573,2015-08-01 17:00:20,">>48942501
>he thinks there's actually an ISS up there",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438448420
48940800,48942594,2015-08-01 17:00:53,">>48942542
That's answered in the FAQ, it means you are a weak atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438448453
48940800,48942639,2015-08-01 17:01:47,">>48942573
0/10
I actually saw parts of the giant arm when it was being built at space center Houston. There is literally no reason they would fly that up into space unless it was real.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438448507
48940800,48942653,2015-08-01 17:02:21,">>48942594
No, it means you can't answer shit and just wants me to spend time on reading bogus which you probably wrote.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438448541
48940800,48942721,2015-08-01 17:03:50,No thanks I don't want to convert to your religion,,Anonymous,1433702497725.jpg,S0nIBoKLP/m0ee6O/EXdAw==,US,,1438448630
48940800,48942764,2015-08-01 17:04:41,>>48942653,,Anonymous,1436738198511.png,lDubl8Q/v8fyyunf2SExyA==,US,,1438448681
48940800,48942781,2015-08-01 17:04:53,">>48942721
Thats like saying bald is a hair colour",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438448693
48940800,48942850,2015-08-01 17:06:23,">>48942764
Now you're just frustrated.",,Anonymous,1433952510355.jpg,TEU/GfXysNELLBwzRWjbcA==,SE,,1438448783
48940800,48942905,2015-08-01 17:07:34,">>48942781
It is when you act like it",,SUNNI PERSIAN MASTERRACE,,,US,,1438448854
48940800,48943031,2015-08-01 17:10:17,">>48942850
You can go look up strong/weak atheism/agnosticism yourself",,Anonymous,1438116008675.jpg,+9a7hdcZO0NX7H+EUN2Ljw==,US,,1438449017
48940800,48943040,2015-08-01 17:10:33,">>48942905
I hope you are trying to troll and not actually this retarded",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438449033
48940800,48943122,2015-08-01 17:12:15,">>48943040
You're a very nasty person, I find it hard to believe you were at any point a good catholic when every post is dripping with anger",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438449135
48940800,48943195,2015-08-01 17:13:59,">>48943122
0/10
calling someone retarded for saying bald is a hair color does not make me angry. It makes me concerned for their mental health.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438449239
48940800,48943238,2015-08-01 17:15:11,">>48943122
Catholics can get pretty butt mad. Take the fourth crusade for example",,Anonymous,funny-pictures-atheism-auto-604434.jpg,CH6dL2kH3e22z4cpvvktNA==,US,,1438449311
48940800,48943299,2015-08-01 17:16:29,">>48943195
I dunno, the repressed anger is palpable when I read your posts. Normal people don't lash out so easily against people with differing opinions. You should calm down",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438449389
48940800,48943343,2015-08-01 17:17:38,">>48943031
From wikipedia:
""Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable.[1][2][3] According to the philosopher William L. Rowe: ""In the popular sense of the term, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God, while a theist believes that God exists, an atheist disbelieves in God"".[2] Agnosticism is a doctrine or set of tenets[4] rather than a religion as such.""
It doesn't say you have to be an atheist(be it strong or weak) to be an agnostic. Nor does it say you can't combine being a theist and an agnostic.
And for further laughs, it even hints that atheism is closer to being a religion.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438449458
48940800,48943349,2015-08-01 17:17:46,">>48943299
""atheism is a religion!"" is a pretty worn out meme",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438449466
48940800,48943424,2015-08-01 17:19:25,">>48943299
Oh im perfectly calm. You seem to be confused between what an opinion is and what a fact is. opinions are subjective, like music and art taste. Facts are objective, like that the earth revolves around the sun and that the earth is round.
You are allowed to have your own opinions, you arent allowed to have your own facts. Thats just called being wrong. Ignorance is not an opinion silly.
Also i dont think you know what the word anger means. Is english perhaps your second language?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438449565
48940800,48943434,2015-08-01 17:19:41,">>48943343
You don't have to be an atheist to be agnostic. 
A theist can definitely be an agnostic. 
Atheism isn't a religion, but some religions lack gods so they are atheistic",,Anonymous,1437260378744.jpg,6T5vWsNmOVfWVkeJSEMnow==,US,,1438449581
48940800,48943437,2015-08-01 17:19:44,">>48943349
I still think it's good",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438449584
48940800,48943496,2015-08-01 17:21:02,">>48943434
Tell that to OP.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438449662
48940800,48943539,2015-08-01 17:21:48,">>48943424
>Is english perhaps your second language
There's that passive aggressiveness again. Not exactly the hallmark of a 'perfectly calm' person. You need to relax and know that not everyone with a differing opinion is attacking you personally. We're all buds here.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438449708
48940800,48943581,2015-08-01 17:22:52,">>48943496
He knows, read his FAQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438449772
48940800,48943625,2015-08-01 17:24:01,">>48943539
My opinion is that you're an Australian shit poster. Please don't respond if you disagree.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438449841
48940800,48943657,2015-08-01 17:24:46,">>48943539
http://www.bmcc.cuny.edu/lrc/studyskills/factsandopinions.pdf
http://www.apelslice.com/books/9780618843175NIMAS/HTMLOUT/HTML/c_id4632222.html
Since you seem to be somewhat uneducated in this matter i thought i would find some stuff for you to read myself <3",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438449886
48940800,48943727,2015-08-01 17:26:16,">>48940800
Please take this shit back to r/atheism.
You people make me wwish the reddit exodus didn't happen.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438449976
48940800,48943746,2015-08-01 17:26:41,">>48943581
You said:
>You don't have to be an atheist to be agnostic. 
>>48940800
He said:
>Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
Why would it make more sense to trust you nutjobs than wikipedia.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438450001
48940800,48943772,2015-08-01 17:27:09,>>48940800,,Anonymous,1353247537959.jpg,7OnZgVEHROmV4cyzUrzFwg==,DE,,1438450029
48940800,48943811,2015-08-01 17:28:03,">>48943657
Relax. Differing opinions are ok, they are not a personal attack on you.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438450083
48940800,48943823,2015-08-01 17:28:16,">>48943772
yes i do believe the man who calls himself ""the amazing atheist"" is a camwhore on the side.
Should i look up silly things that Christians do as well?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438450096
48940800,48943832,2015-08-01 17:28:25,">>48943746
OP is just pointing out they aren't mutually exclusive positions. You can be a male and a Russian. But being a Russian doesn't necessarily make you female",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438450105
48940800,48943852,2015-08-01 17:28:49,">>48943811
just gonna start reporting shitposting lol.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438450129
48940800,48943937,2015-08-01 17:30:41,"apatheist master race here,
ask me anything",,Anonymous,ralph.png,Vt78fZ8QnKBUgv1jSVbx2A==,DE,,1438450241
48940800,48943969,2015-08-01 17:31:18,">>48943937
does that mean that you dont care enough to think about whether or not god exists?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438450278
48940800,48944031,2015-08-01 17:32:44,">>48943937
What do you think of Sharia Law?",,Anonymous,1436133717283.jpg,I+FtAhA11VjzKUIn6tpf1Q==,US,,1438450364
48940800,48944056,2015-08-01 17:33:05,">>48943852
I don't really understand how someone gets so emotionally invested in an imageboard that they get this upset. Life is beautiful, experience it",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438450385
48940800,48944057,2015-08-01 17:33:06,">>48943969
pretty much yeah but if they do exist they don't matter in out lifes anyway",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438450386
48940800,48944110,2015-08-01 17:34:11,">>48944057
thats pretty much my view i guess. I mean there is a very very small chance that there is some kind of creator, but it seems extremely unlikely that they care about our existnace.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438450451
48940800,48944145,2015-08-01 17:34:53,">>48944031
that's a funny question because i was born into a muslim family
i think it's barbaric and really old dated, we don't need that in our time",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438450493
48940800,48944177,2015-08-01 17:35:36,">Autism General Thread 
FTFY OP",,Anonymous,1433125906448.jpg,k/wIm+B0sS5HZdZuyKB+rg==,MX,,1438450536
48940800,48944199,2015-08-01 17:36:16,">>48944145
Well, if we spread atheism around enough then Sharia Law can never touch another country",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438450576
48940800,48944210,2015-08-01 17:36:37,">>48944177
>Mexico posting on /pol/
>calls other autistic
>mfw",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,two-girls-laughing-white-background-8038497.jpg,uxbL2c1vf5OULT6DiXI4vQ==,CA,,1438450597
48940800,48944259,2015-08-01 17:37:54,,,Anonymous,fedoras.webm,IMVYvSdD75A13I3w8KZBQQ==,MX,,1438450674
48940800,48944268,2015-08-01 17:38:22,">>48941514
What Hitler was doing was thought by him to be the work of the creator. He didn't necessarily advocate the existence of God, but used Christianity to ally with the pope to gain popular votes from Catholics. Nazi soldiers had ""Gott mit unds"" slogans and more than 2/3 if them were practicing Christians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438450702
48940800,48944292,2015-08-01 17:38:53,">>48943832
>OP is just pointing out they aren't mutually exclusive positions. You can be a male and a Russian. But being a Russian doesn't necessarily make you female
So translated to unpretentious speak, you're saying:
""You can be agnostic and a atheist. But being agnostic doesn't necessarily make you atheist.""
Cheers mate, I'm agnostic only.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438450733
48940800,48944306,2015-08-01 17:39:13,">>48944259
i fucking love that webm
>mfw not a professional atheist",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438450753
48940800,48944319,2015-08-01 17:39:33,Good Goyim,,Anonymous,1406018275389.jpg,xtLCZu80mlegG8JIgCBU/w==,MX,,1438450773
48940800,48944366,2015-08-01 17:40:24,">>48943832
OP is a fucking faggot, agnosticism is the claim for not knowing AND taking a stance, but he defines agnosticism from the religious POV ""since you hold no belief you're an atheist"" but atheists can claim to don't know BUT take a stance or both.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438450824
48940800,48944375,2015-08-01 17:40:38,,,Anonymous,321313.png,AQjdF0fQfxkXkM8aZJ66Iw==,MX,,1438450838
48940800,48944404,2015-08-01 17:41:18,,,Anonymous,1400549599799.png,kQOI4B6GZlMKrUZIq49KNg==,MX,,1438450878
48940800,48944447,2015-08-01 17:42:05,,,Anonymous,1403925838720.jpg,6iZpDYjRYCabWItROBZdiw==,MX,,1438450925
48940800,48944467,2015-08-01 17:42:34,">>48944447
you know that particular person is christian right?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438450954
48940800,48944481,2015-08-01 17:42:54,">>48944404
>binary-gender roles
AHAHA OKAY YOU FUCKING FAIRY HONK HONK GO TUG ON A DICK SON LOL, KEK< LOOOL",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438450974
48940800,48944488,2015-08-01 17:43:01,>>>/r/atheism,,Anonymous,1402106231075.png,Ddm6SrEylTxBlHTLVqg66A==,MX,,1438450981
48940800,48944491,2015-08-01 17:43:02,">>48944292
It's two separate issues. 
First issue, are you agnostic or gnostic? 
Second issue, are you atheist or theist? 
There are four possible combinations of answers, not one like ""I'm just agnostic!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438450982
48940800,48944522,2015-08-01 17:43:57,">>48944366
Unless you are actively believing in a god or gods you can't be a theist, so you're an atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451037
48940800,48944527,2015-08-01 17:44:07,,,Anonymous,1402106405614.jpg,u5VZSCQn/I1XggvM9gXviA==,MX,,1438451047
48940800,48944545,2015-08-01 17:44:30,">>48944491
YES AND I DIDNT FUCKING TAKE A STANCE IN THE SECOND ISSUE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438451070
48940800,48944560,2015-08-01 17:44:55,">>48944488
>mfw all the neckbeard fedora wearers were kicked from /r/ahteism over 2 years ago
>mfw most fedora wearers are actually on /pol/ now
>mfw most of them are now christfags because its edgy now",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,1413737073935.jpg,Te4sNkFX2b6Ozy/Zzdy7nA==,CA,,1438451095
48940800,48944565,2015-08-01 17:45:02,">>48940800
>I will push athiesm and not keep it as my personal belief because I reject the simple fact that removing Christianity from Western civilisation has paved the way for rampant degeneracy in the form of the LGBT movement, the revokement of gender roles and the complete obliteration of our traditions and culture
>picking on Christians is just more important than these things, they have to know how stupid they are!!!!!
I'm an athiest. I cant bring myself to believe in God. Howeve, keeping it to yourself and understanding the role it has to play here in the West is an important part of growing up. It is the central pillar of our society and its removal has left a void that is now being filled by Islam and faggotry, the former of which is temporarily tolerating the latter, whilest the latter is actively encouraging the former out of stupidity.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438451102
48940800,48944568,2015-08-01 17:45:03,">>48944522
>Unless you are actively believing in a god or gods you can't be a theist, so you're an atheist",,Anonymous,1412108574817.jpg,ZJWp6PpvuyPGDVmzyV6IJw==,MX,,1438451103
48940800,48944573,2015-08-01 17:45:10,">>48944545
Then you're a weak atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451110
48940800,48944613,2015-08-01 17:46:09,,,Anonymous,fedora-anonymous.png,KsjeHwGh0WbDOe7KL2SePw==,MX,,1438451169
48940800,48944656,2015-08-01 17:47:05,">>48944565
Christianity is doing nothing to stop the spread of Islam, they are too busy preaching peace, meekness, and tolerance",,Anonymous,1437746545271.jpg,r/+YZ6n7e3cySBhranlFEQ==,US,,1438451225
48940800,48944667,2015-08-01 17:47:20,,,Anonymous,1424669305707.png,JJxR2/vsPiz/uvu2oAgBQg==,MX,,1438451240
48940800,48944673,2015-08-01 17:47:27,">>48944491
No, OP is right, and so are other nigs such as >>48944522 .
If you are an agnostic, you hold the position that it is unclear or unknowable whether or not a god or gods exist. necessarily, that means you do not hold a doctrinal position on faith, i.e. you cannot be a Christian, a Protestant, a Hindu, a Wiccan. 
so from the external or objective perspective, agnostics are an instance of atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451247
48940800,48944698,2015-08-01 17:47:47,">>48944573
From OP:
>Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist.
It's up to you to explain where I stated I do not hold a belief.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438451267
48940800,48944721,2015-08-01 17:48:24,,,Anonymous,1402106315431.jpg,MEL1h9jstlEaY+IzVOXdJQ==,MX,,1438451304
48940800,48944744,2015-08-01 17:48:54,">>48944698
Do you believe in God? Any answer besides yes will make you an atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451334
48940800,48944748,2015-08-01 17:48:57,">>48944673
>>48944698
seems like a lot of semantics to me. why not just say ""i believe there is a god"" or ""im not sure""",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438451337
48940800,48944777,2015-08-01 17:49:37,,,Anonymous,tips+fedora+grooms+neckbeard+throws+cape+over+shoulder+refills+chalice+_9d7feb97a66d1fb29b48b2d3ee146198.jpg,xWVtqEzTvKwbBM0rGuXIZQ==,MX,,1438451377
48940800,48944782,2015-08-01 17:49:41,">>48942466
To Christians the ""good news"" is that in Christ there is salvation from condemnation. He's stating that the true ""good news"" is that there's no such thing as condemnation. Period. End of story.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451381
48940800,48944812,2015-08-01 17:50:23,">>48944673
That's a load of shit, Christians just call their agnosticism ""faith""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451423
48940800,48944822,2015-08-01 17:50:36,">>48944656
New wave Christianity is yes. It has been forced to adapt to modern society lest it be completely washed away.
The Christianity of times past was so heavily involved in the every day decisions of men and women nationwide that it shaped the very culture of the civilisation. The commandments were enshrined in law.
This has all been undone over the last century and athiesm has been instrumental in this process.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438451436
48940800,48944835,2015-08-01 17:50:55,">>48944744
>Any answer besides yes will make you an atheist
That's why I don't answer.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438451455
48940800,48944867,2015-08-01 17:51:34,">>48944835
So then you are not sure?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438451494
48940800,48944895,2015-08-01 17:52:05,I dont call myself atheist but I dont believe in any god. I am actually ignostic. Concept of god is not taking my attention.,,Anonymous,,,TR,,1438451525
48940800,48944923,2015-08-01 17:52:50,">>48944835
Welp, you didn't say yes. Welcome to the atheism general",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438451570
48940800,48944934,2015-08-01 17:52:59,">>48944867
I'm sure as fuck you are a cunt.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438451579
48940800,48944938,2015-08-01 17:53:01,">>48944673
>that means you do not hold a doctrinal position on faith
What the fuck does that even mean?
All the evidence and scientific investigation leads us to the conclusion that we have absolutely no idea whether or not God exist.
Most Christians believe in God because they want there to be a God and they believe that it's better that there is a God rather than the universe just being meaningless chaos.
It's called faith. Not an evidence based conclusion.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438451581
48940800,48944949,2015-08-01 17:53:12,,,Anonymous,tipshulk.png,oJyrDHj2ot91l9cUpymIgg==,MX,,1438451592
48940800,48944978,2015-08-01 17:53:48,">>48944923
Ok thanks I'm converting to judaism as of now so it was a short run.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438451628
48940800,48945043,2015-08-01 17:55:15,">>48944934
Why may i ask would you think that?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438451715
48940800,48945058,2015-08-01 17:55:42,>>48944978,,Anonymous,1437275586615.jpg,3k1Cd+TPXaCFfRHujBSXvg==,US,,1438451742
48940800,48945162,2015-08-01 17:57:46,">>48944822
>New wave Christianity is yes.
I think this a debatable claim. Don't get me wrong I am well aware some Christians try and stop the spread of Islam but their entire worldview negates any real solid message or point they have, once you claim the revealed word of the creator of the universe can be shown from a holy book the argument boils down to nonsensical discussion over which holy book is true.
It is also worth noting the pope's position on Islam and it is factually true that the pope is the supreme leader of half the world's Christians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30835625",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438451866
48940800,48945232,2015-08-01 17:59:15,"Let's go back a bit.
>>48944491
First issue, are you agnostic or gnostic? 
Agnostic
Second issue, are you atheist or theist? 
Neither
There you go, I'm agnostic only.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438451955
48940800,48945305,2015-08-01 18:01:10,">>48944822
Christianity has always taught meekness and loving your enemy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438452070
48940800,48945355,2015-08-01 18:02:29,">>48945232
>Second issue, are you atheist or theist? 
>Neither
Neither is called weak atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438452149
48940800,48945423,2015-08-01 18:04:10,">>48945355
Last time I looked up neither in a dictionary, it didn't say ""weak atheism"".",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438452250
48940800,48945510,2015-08-01 18:06:05,">>48945162
The fact of the matter is, if Christianity was practiced in our daily lives to the extent it was before WW1, religions like Islam would simply have no place in our society. They would not be able to function. Degeneracy, hedonism, debauchery, it would not be able to take root - certainly not to the extent it has today. The culture of the masses is the first line of defence against perversion of the nation, and the Church of England /was/ one of, if not the primary anchor of this culture. WW1 and 2 killed the CoE and after WW2 the CoE adopted the socialist agenda and then its diseased corpse was slowly shifted out of parliament over time.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438452365
48940800,48945574,2015-08-01 18:07:28,">>48945423
There is no place to be a neither, you either believe in God or you don't. There is no other option. You either have 10 toes, or you don't. It works the same way.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438452448
48940800,48945665,2015-08-01 18:09:02,">>48945574
>There is no place to be a neither
Yes there is. It's called earth.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438452542
48940800,48945777,2015-08-01 18:11:25,">>48940800
>secular living and politics
what's that? 
t.atheist",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438452685
48940800,48945882,2015-08-01 18:13:53,">>48944673
You see it on absolute terms, ""you believe or you dont believe"" but only because you dont acknowledge or want to acknowledge that not claiming to believe in either existence or inexistence is a third position, this is how usually thinks the mind of an extremist to put the world in a certain manner that under his vision can understand. But Im not an atheist and cant claim to be an atheist since I can believe that there CAN be some form of determination in the universe but Im not a theist since I can also believe that the world can be explained without a bigger entity or doesnt need such entity to validate its existance.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438452833
48940800,48945947,2015-08-01 18:15:22,">>48945510
Not even true. Islam is essentially a zany offshoot cult of Christianity that wouldn't even exist if if wasn't for Christianity. Mormonism is doing pretty well in the US despite being another zany offshoot.
Islam has found plenty of converts among Christian blacks in the US.
I don't think Islam would have got a foothold without immigration but now it has I think if our nation was still profoundly religious there would be much more susceptibility to the preachings of the Mullahs and their Mosques.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438452922
48940800,48946028,2015-08-01 18:17:31,">>48945882
I'm an atheist and think there is a possibility of some form of supernatural power that made the universe.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438453051
48940800,48946182,2015-08-01 18:21:34,"By the way.
>>48945574
>There is no other option.
You don't decide what options exist.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438453294
48940800,48946283,2015-08-01 18:24:03,">>48944938
this is why agnosticism is so weak. this this this.
What is the empirical evidence like for Zeus? Would you say that it is intellectually honest to say that ""all the evidence and scientific investigation leads us to the conclusion that we have absolutely no idea whether or not Odin exists""? This alone shows the agnostic doesn't believe in the religious idols, but a more abstracted Creator.
And then they have the compulsion, the weak-kneed PANDERING, bald faced COWARDICE, to claim that all positions are equally valid. Sure, Thor. Yeah, Old Testament YHWH. Mormons. Shinto hungry ghosts. WHO EVEN KNOWS?!?!?
Relativist. Coward. Come back to a philosophical discussion when you have developed a spine.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438453443
48940800,48946284,2015-08-01 18:24:05,">>48945947
Perhapse the core doctrine of Islam and Christianity has many similarities. Perhapse it does not. I have never read the koran and cannot testify to this.
However, when watching how a non-secular or heavily islamic nation functions compared to a Christian nation I see little in common. One is regressive, barbaric and backward facing. The other is restrained, vituous and forward leaning, hence why it was Christian western societies that were leading the way from around the 1300s onwards. It was the culture of the west that gave it it's great advantage over the rest of the human race, and thus culture was anchored to Christianity. Now we have removed Christianity and we are regressing in degeneracy, and amongst this degeneracy (as you have said) people are converting to Islam. It is filling the void. Unfortunately it will not elevate Western society back to its previous granduer, it will stagnate us in the bronze age just like the rest of the Islamic world. What you fail to realise, is that Athiesm /is/ the void which is being filled.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438453445
48940800,48946285,2015-08-01 18:24:06,">>48946028
Then, what makes you atheist?",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438453446
48940800,48946359,2015-08-01 18:26:13,">>48946182
Just as you can't simultaneously deny having ten toes and deny not having ten toes, likewise you can't deny believing God exists and deny not believing God exists. 
You simply don't want to be called an atheist, and that's understandable. But it doesn't make you any less of one. 
Just say ""I prefer to identify as an agnostic"", but also note that these words have meanings",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438453573
48940800,48946412,2015-08-01 18:27:37,">>48946285
Because he doesn't believe God exists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438453657
48940800,48946472,2015-08-01 18:29:15,">>48946359
>Just as you can't simultaneously deny having ten toes and deny not having ten toes, likewise you can't deny believing God exists and deny not believing God exists. 
You just don't seem to get that your metaphors are stupid beyond euphoric levels.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438453755
48940800,48946519,2015-08-01 18:30:38,">>48946285
Because I have no reason to believe god exists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438453838
48940800,48946744,2015-08-01 18:35:51,">>48946359
Its more simple than that, you dont either deny or affirm nothing since its not an active position of answering but rather questioning.
>>48946283
Thats like saying that asking wether or not there are yetis on the world is a coward position and should say that they either exists or dont exist.
And this example can be modified with goats and unicorns, but with the difference that in the first one theist would be right and in the second one atheist would be ""right"" (its difficult to prove an impossible)
But in the end the only one who was right was always the agnostic because wether it was the yeti, goats or unicorns no one really knew",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438454151
48940800,48946799,2015-08-01 18:37:21,">>48946284
>However, when watching how a non-secular or heavily islamic nation functions compared to a Christian nation I see little in common. One is regressive, barbaric and backward facing. The other is restrained, vituous and forward leaning, hence why it was Christian western societies that were leading the way from around the 1300s onwards. It was the culture of the west that gave it it's great advantage over the rest of the human race, and thus culture was anchored to Christianity. Now we have removed Christianity and we are regressing in degeneracy, and amongst this degeneracy (as you have said) people are converting to Islam. It is filling the void. Unfortunately it will not elevate Western society back to its previous granduer, it will stagnate us in the bronze age just like the rest of the Islamic world. What you fail to realise, is that Athiesm /is/ the void which is being filled.
I just don't recognise this as being anything like a solid argument.
European nations and their offshoots dominating the world has a strong correlation with them rejecting religious dogma and its hold on power. That is not saying everyone became atheist and stopped believing in god overnight but the idea that our success is rooted in Christian fundamentalism is a nonsense one.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438454241
48940800,48946875,2015-08-01 18:39:02,">>48946519
Then, why hold any reasons to believe that there might be a superior power if you would never acknowledge its existance?",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438454342
48940800,48947068,2015-08-01 18:43:55,">we are
no you're not
no agnostic would mock the idea of major religions like atheists do
if you take the position that we can't possibly use our primitive human scientific methods to find out if God exists, this doesn't negate the idea that God or gods could enter their creation at their choosing
and logic suggests if god or gods can enter their creation, then popularity of a religion gives some credence to their likelihood of being true. i.e. if God entered his creation, why would only 30 million sikhs know of him. but 2+ billion christians does give some credence to their claims",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438454635
48940800,48947082,2015-08-01 18:44:16,">>48946875
Because I can't its prove non-existence.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438454656
48940800,48947115,2015-08-01 18:45:03,">>48947082
The you believe...in what you can't prove?",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1438454703
48940800,48947376,2015-08-01 18:51:47,">>48947115
I'm thinking he means to say that he acknowledges there is potential for it to exist, even if the existence of it cannot be tested. Therefore, it doesn't really matter whether it exists or not, and you can act as though it doesn't.
Kind of like invisible, intangible leprechauns. You can't prove that they don't live in your fridge.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438455107
48940800,48947432,2015-08-01 18:53:16,">>48946744
>Its more simple than that, you dont either deny or affirm nothing since its not an active position of answering but rather questioning.
A belief is not a question.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438455196
48940800,48947618,2015-08-01 18:57:50,">>48940800
Fuck off with this thread if you don't post Atheism-chan or no other cute girls.",,Anonymous,1438040071813.png,xsSJTwbIYNQpHhypE/1eAw==,GB,,1438455470
48940800,48947626,2015-08-01 18:58:02,People who don't care about the truth have a lot of money and power. They can do what they want and make you do what they want or suffer. All your search for truth won't help you except to learn more about why you're screwed.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438455482
48940800,48947709,2015-08-01 18:59:31,">>48947115
I don't believe in what I can't prove or provide solid reasoning might exist, that does not mean I rule out its possibility.
I'll try and explain in more detail for you. You could create a computer program creating a million randomly generated religions and god(s) a minute and I think every single one of them was a likely to be true as any claim made by any of the recorded religions man has made up. I think the likelihood of any of them being right is infinitely slim.
There is a possibility there is a creator of the universe I can't even begin to compute the likelihood of that claim, but if it does exist I see no practical reason my human construct of what it might me. There are billions of stars and millions of galaxies in the universe, the idea it was all created just for me to live forever seems preposterous and narcissistic as does the claim a creator of the universe (if it does exist) would care about me more than I care about a single bacterium in my poop.",,Anonymous,1414018533906.png,yXsWmQt5FoNsDITqPPlZEA==,GB,,1438455571
48940800,48947907,2015-08-01 19:03:56,">>48947618
So you want cute atheist girls?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,tumblr_mhtknxQ3BA1remxnfo1_500.png,ofmTKjyxGcpV4otBJmGxqg==,CA,,1438455836
48940800,48947981,2015-08-01 19:05:31,>>48947907,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,XS8Z8.png,RaCc5G+IlqEMSb5AhrHNqg==,CA,,1438455931
48940800,48947997,2015-08-01 19:05:48,>>48947981,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,6e810a256a4a6005c69ab714cad5d896.jpg,JHmhS/qXvopMDtJ5TW66lg==,CA,,1438455948
48940800,48948017,2015-08-01 19:06:24,">>48947907
And yet she's a practicing Jew, I don't get it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438455984
48940800,48948070,2015-08-01 19:07:45,">>48948017
idk but if someone claims to not believe in god they probably dont. Only muslims are allowed to lie about their beliefs according to their faith i think, and only if they are in danger.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,141822228.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg,enlp3JcfFYK5GCzfZpr2iw==,CA,,1438456065
48940800,48948084,2015-08-01 19:08:01,>>48948070,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,kristen_atheist_t-250x444.jpg,M5dR4GqeNpSKtgk7wakp9g==,CA,,1438456081
48940800,48948142,2015-08-01 19:09:18,">>48948017
There can be some value in practicing life cycle rituals and retaining cultural identity.
I like a fun Christian wedding and plenty of the hymns have musical value.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438456158
48940800,48948195,2015-08-01 19:10:33,">>48947709
>rewording a Stephen Roberts quote
Fuck Ricky Gervais. He's an unfunny attention whore.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438456233
48940800,48948198,2015-08-01 19:10:34,">>48947997
 I have an eternal boner for her",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438456234
48940800,48948213,2015-08-01 19:10:58,">>48948084
Amber Heard- ""I was raised in a strict Catholic environment but the only thing I feel comfortable saying that I know is that I can’t know. I will never prescribe to an organization that claims to tell me how to do anything. I’m not anti “higher power” so you could call me agnostic. Whatever, call me anything but I will never be a “religious” person.""",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,600full-amber-heard.jpg,2pV+sx3dYAmtoGvx0kkUaA==,CA,,1438456258
48940800,48948239,2015-08-01 19:11:37,">>48946799
>>48946284
Indo-Europeans were doing just fine before Christianity and did just fine after because they are Indo-European.
Ethiopia was the second nation to convert to Christianity. Until Europeans came along it was a generic Middle Eastern Feudal state.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438456297
48940800,48948283,2015-08-01 19:12:28,">>48948195
It doesn't really change the validity of what he said. All of us are all dwarves standing on the shoulders of the giant.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438456348
48940800,48948308,2015-08-01 19:13:02,">>48948213
Adrianne Curry- ""I find it an insult to my intelligence that ""God"" would assume we would just all believe in stories that we have NO EVIDENCE of. So, here I am not believing in organized religion, yet still entertaining the idea that there is more out there.""",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,2_hd.jpg,QCuvN9qfAIOdLRPLZSutxA==,CA,,1438456382
48940800,48948349,2015-08-01 19:14:11,">>48948213
Rose Byrne- ""My parents are atheists. Well, my mum is. I’d say my dad was agnostic. But I think that I’m probably agnostic, yeah.""
Have i posted enough for now?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,Rose-Byrne-rose-byrne-31713088-1828-2560.jpg,OKyWTM6+9U3QpZRmrGSIUg==,CA,,1438456451
48940800,48948416,2015-08-01 19:15:44,">>48948070
http://defamer.gawker.com/natalie-portman-hides-oscar-from-her-son-because-its-a-1702813418",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438456544
48940800,48948486,2015-08-01 19:17:10,">>48948416
Seems like she suffers from cognitive dissonance then.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438456630
48940800,48948573,2015-08-01 19:19:26,">>48948070
I really like her expression",,Anonymous,,,PA,,1438456766
48940800,48948833,2015-08-01 19:25:26,">>48940800
“And when the hourglass has run out, the hourglass of temporality, when the noise of secular life has grown silent and its restless or ineffectual activism has come to an end, when everything around you is still, as it is in eternity, then eternity asks you and every individual in these millions and millions about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.”
― Soren Kierkegaard",,Anonymous,Aslan is Jesus.jpg,NQFFY3DGG/oqkmj8FuXIVA==,AR,,1438457126
48940800,48948883,2015-08-01 19:26:32,"Also if anyone feels like making a picture to piss off the catholics, mother theresa turned out to be an atheist but the catholic church tried to keep it a secret
n a new book that compiles letters she wrote to friends, superiors and confessors, her doubts are obvious.
Shortly after beginning work in Calcutta's slums, the spirit left Mother Teresa.
""Where is my faith?"" she wrote. ""Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me.""
Eight years later, she was still looking to reclaim her lost faith.
""Such deep longing for God… Repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal,"" she said.
As her fame increased, her faith refused to return. Her smile, she said, was a mask.
""What do I labor for?"" she asked in one letter. ""If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.""
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/letters-reveal-mother-teresas-secret/",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,God-Bible-and-Religious-Quotes-44411-statusmind.com.jpg,renQrPdI6lJx8WnWoWszPA==,CA,,1438457192
48940800,48948971,2015-08-01 19:28:42,">>48948833
I don't live in despair.
I'm certainly not despairing enough to beg an entity that has no evidence of existence and breaks every law of physics for life after death. That would truly be despair.",,Anonymous,1408142610782.png,+uXbZ1+2Jhg3qM35IsrKeQ==,GB,,1438457322
48940800,48949349,2015-08-01 19:37:46,">>48948971
Christians don't pray to beg for stuff. Smart Christians, at least, expect nothing from prayer.
""The function of prayer is not to influence God, but rather to change the nature of the one who prays.""
- Soren Kierkegaard",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438457866
48940800,48949480,2015-08-01 19:40:29,">>48949349
so christians pray because they think its some sort of meditation?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438458029
48940800,48949517,2015-08-01 19:41:36,">>48949349
>Christians don't pray to beg for stuff. Smart Christians, at least, expect nothing from prayer.
I find it fascinating that you are quoting Kierkegaard at me.
>Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. ""And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.""
Jesus (allegedly)",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438458096
48940800,48949547,2015-08-01 19:42:11,">>48949480
A Christian prays to better himself.
It is humility, discipline, and devotion.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438458131
48940800,48949592,2015-08-01 19:43:20,">>48949547
Are you saying its not possible to be humble without prayer, and why are discipline and devotion good things?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438458200
48940800,48949623,2015-08-01 19:44:00,">>48949517
I quote Kirkegaard because I'm an agnostic theist.
Clearly not everyone feels the same way.
Most agnostics are agnostic atheists, so we are a rare breed.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438458240
48940800,48949717,2015-08-01 19:46:03,">>48949592
>Are you saying its not possible to be humble without prayer
I'm not saying that. I'm saying prayer is a humbling experience. I'm sure there are other ways.
>why are discipline and devotion good things?
Most of today's problems stem from a lack of self-discipline in society. Rights are given emphasis over responsibility. Leisure given emphasis over hard work. Hedonism given emphasis over the cultivation of the mind and body.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438458363
48940800,48949854,2015-08-01 19:49:33,">>48949717
>Most of today's problems stem from a lack of self-discipline in society.
right but... i was never taught discipline and i dont commit any crimes. I help as many people as possible and am told to be a nice and friendly person. Are you saying that religious people are inherently bad and need some kind of order to keep them in line?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438458573
48940800,48950093,2015-08-01 19:55:12,">>48940800
I hate atheists because they are lefty cucks that swallow jew and mudslime semen on command... it's basically the same faith dickheads. mocking creationism is equally offensive to all faiths not just cis white christians",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438458912
48940800,48950129,2015-08-01 19:56:05,">>48949717
>I'm saying prayer is a humbling experience
I don't see why prayer would be a humble experience except in a completely banal sense. 
If you are praying then you are asking the (alleged) creator of the universe for something even if it just rectification of your perceived character faults or ""strength"". 
I don't see anything about it that could not be replicated more effectively by meditation. It is essentially an inferior form of meditation where you pretend to be having a personal chat with the creator of millions of galaxies.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438458965
48940800,48950148,2015-08-01 19:56:25,">>48950093
>swallow jew and mudslime semen
>dont believe jewish or muslim faiths
>follow them on command
yeah no. Most of the people I know that criticize Judaism and islam are atheists.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438458985
48940800,48950171,2015-08-01 19:56:59,">>48949854
I'm not talking about crime.
Hedonists are nice people.
They are still hedonists.
A lot of hard things require discipline.
True self-improvement requires discipline.
Dieting requires discipline.
Excercise to be fit, requires discipline.
Parenthood requires discipline.
Monogamy, marriage, both require discipline.
College requires discipline.
Saving for stuff rather than living in debt, requires discipline.
People nowadays expect free stuff all the time.
Older generations were thriftier and didn't look to the government to solve their every problem.
I'm not saying all of this has to do with the dissapearance of religion. But maybe we should question if some of it doesn't.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438459019
48940800,48950254,2015-08-01 19:59:02,">>48950093
have you got any evidence for this other than pure shitposting?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/08/religious-people-more-likely-leftwing-demos
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438459142
48940800,48950324,2015-08-01 20:01:00,">>48950148
Exactly.
This is because religious Jews and Christians have no better argument than ""my book is better na na na na na""",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438459260
48940800,48950393,2015-08-01 20:02:52,">>48950171
Whats so wrong about hedonism may i ask? Do you think that i dont always do my best to help others just because i value pleasure? 
Self improvement. dieting, and exercise, an dont require discipline they require motivation and a good sense of self worth.
Parenthood requires experience knowledge love, compassion, and empathy.
Monogamy requires love compassion and empathy for your lover. 
College perhaps requires discipline but i think you could still run off proper motivation.
Saving for stuff instead of living in debt simply requires intelligence and self control.
Discipline is not required for any of those things.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438459372
48940800,48950711,2015-08-01 20:09:39,">>48950393
>Self improvement. dieting, and exercise, an dont require discipline
Wow, yes they do. 
I can tell you've never done either.
Otherwise you would know that at some point you will be forcing yourself to exercise and keep going. Hedonism alone has never built an Olympic athlete.
>Parenthood requires experience knowledge love, compassion, and empathy.
No discipline? You are part of the problem.
A kid needs, no, craves discipline in his upbringing.
>Monogamy requires love compassion and empathy for your lover.
No 30 year old marriage lasts on that alone.
>Saving for stuff instead of living in debt simply requires intelligence and self control.
Self-control is another word for self-discipline. You are being dense.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438459779
48940800,48950862,2015-08-01 20:13:39,">>48950711
>I can tell you've never done either.
i lost about 80 pounds but nice try good goy. I also helped raise my little sister using nothing but love and compassion. Discipline works when they dont know any better, but if you dont teach them WHY something is wrong they will just do it when you are not around. I teach my sister empathy so she knows how it feels to have something stolen from her or to be hit.
Discipline is a cheap shortcut for those with no love.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438460019
48940800,48950934,2015-08-01 20:15:34,"AUG 1 2015
*New Fedora-chan art added including her first boobie picture.
*Several new images for general bin
*The Basics bin has been renamed to Basics/faq to reflect it's new purpose. It also has an index and 2 new sections. One on atheism and autism and one on atheism and leftism
*The Religious profiles section is back and more detailed but not complete
*Discussing religion is still down. I'm being lazy with it
*New section was added to talk specifically about incorrect ideas in atheism. This is highly experimental and may be delated. Christians, you can contribute too!!
THINGS TO DO
Make religious profiles/discussing atheism better (top priority)
Add an entry on Aquinas.
Create Pages for major philosophies/thought systems compatible with atheism.
Look into working together with Christian /pol/acks against Islam (very long term plan, probably will fail horribly)
Outerlimit's corner (lowest priority)",,OuterLimits,1433671180898.jpg,Sr+Os1MnVwgJZb7u0kGOqA==,US,,1438460134
48940800,48950979,2015-08-01 20:16:45,">>48950862
>i lost about 80 pounds but nice try good goy. I also helped raise my little sister using nothing but love and compassion
Then you have self-discipline. You just don't know it. 
>Discipline works when they dont know any better, but if you dont teach them WHY something is wrong they will just do it when you are not around.
Teaching the why is important, it's still discipline though. At the end of the day they are either obeying you or not.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438460205
48940800,48951060,2015-08-01 20:18:45,">>48950979
>are either obeying you or not
But once again if you dont teach them why its wrong as soon as they can do it without getting caught thats what they will do. You have to teach them to have empathy for other people. Thats why a murderer kills someone, he has no compassion or sympathy for those he kills.
If you are only not a murder because its against the law then you are a horrible person",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438460325
48940800,48951314,2015-08-01 20:25:05,">>48944822
If you really think Christianity used to be a bad ass religion you clearly do not know your own history. You were even bigger pussies in the past.
You took being persicuted to divine status 'the holy martyrs'
Your religion is founded on literally worshipping a victim.
Crusaders had to pray at the end of each battle for forgivness for their killings. Eventually the pope realized this was killing moral and just declared all Crusaders immune to sin. The result was a hilariously incompetent crusade that spent more time looting and raping random villages than actually defending anything.
>>48948883
This is gold. Also officially the Catholic church has declared that she performed miracles after she died.
This basically means atheists can perform miracles. 
>>48949349
You do realize Soren Kierkegaard wildly misunderstood his own fucking religion and he actually helped Nietzsche form the basis for his attack on Christianity?",,OuterLimits,isis-horus-to-mary-jesus.jpg,FKDQdg1i/xcXPsfif6wPNg==,US,,1438460705
48940800,48951342,2015-08-01 20:25:45,">>48950934
Is there any way we can make fedora chan not have a fedora and just give her like a lab coat and glasses and make her more like science chan?
She looks like a boy with long hair until shes naked",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438460745
48940800,48951372,2015-08-01 20:26:21,">>48951060
Going back to the original debate, Christianity is supposed to teach empathy as well. I'm not saying it's the only way. But it's something.
Most traditional childrens stories that teach morals have a strong Christian tradition behind them. 
You seem to have done a good job raising your litte sister anyway, so kudos to you.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438460781
48940800,48951389,2015-08-01 20:26:39,">>48951314
>than",,Anonymous,1359952475685.jpg,rBVsv3VpV09Sia+2Mn7Yjw==,US,,1438460799
48940800,48951416,2015-08-01 20:27:27,"Why do you people relate to atheism? Are you still stuck in that edgy teenage phase? Are you because it's the new ""hip"" thing to do? Please tell me, what has led your kind astray from the path of faith?",,Anonymous,1427139473204.jpg,NzaEBDoKaXbWvdG/wa9CKg==,AT,,1438460847
48940800,48951488,2015-08-01 20:29:21,">>48951416
I personally live in a small retirement town full of old crazy old religious people. Im surrounded by it to the point there is literally a church on every corner and i have to listen to people talk about god all day. Its nice to talk to people that arent like that once in a while",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438460961
48940800,48951529,2015-08-01 20:30:28,">>48951342
I don't see why she can't have two costumes, one for work one of casual.
I find her cute. She's has no sense of fashion so it's cute in a dorky way. She also allows us to laugh at our-self be being a caricature.
Art of her is progressing really slowly. If we got a proper artist they could find a way to make her look cuter.",,OuterLimits,1437365069896.png,S6RSCV/Rog+eG9JZcYc2Sg==,US,,1438461028
48940800,48951577,2015-08-01 20:31:36,">>48951529
I can try to commission someone from /r/ i guess. Idk i guess i just never found girls with no sense of fashion cute.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438461096
48940800,48951651,2015-08-01 20:33:29,where do i buy my fedora?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438461209
48940800,48951712,2015-08-01 20:34:53,">Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
Okay, I'll bite.
>secular living and politics
This is what I don't understand. The literal interpretation of atheism is, in fact, a theistic. You are not adherents to theology; that is it. 
Now, I won't deny you that it's possible that some kind of ""secular culture"" has formed, mainly through the internet and your figureheads like Dawkins and black science man. Is this what you refer to when you speak of secular politics and living?
If not, how does being atheistic conflate with politics or lifestyle? I just find this kind of weird.",,Anonymous,FuckBitchesGetMoney.jpg,0s6PIvkPjJJ4qd/SBeGzeQ==,US,,1438461293
48940800,48951775,2015-08-01 20:36:11,">>48951416
I stopped being Christian when I was 12. I would have done it when I was fucking 8 if I wasn't a pussy and afraid of hell.
This was before Dawkins and friends had really done anything.
I have to say it improved my life a lot. I cannot recall a single moment in which being a Christian ever made me happy or gave me meaning.
At the end of the day you are on earth and you have to invent your own meaning and your own morals. You'd actually be amazed at how LITTLE the bible talks about morals or meaning. Virtually the entire old testament is incompatable with modern times. If you think you've heard one or two things from it that sound good they are probably taken out of context.
For instance the Sodom and Gomora story. In that story 2 males angels come to town. A crowd wants to ass rape them, Lot tells the crowd they can rape his daughters instead. The angels tell Lot that he did the right thing. 
New Testament isn't much better. I actually use teachings of Jesus AGAINST Christians in arguments. Every time I fucking quote him they try to say 'well it's not really an important part of the bible'. You should actually read some of the crap he says, he goes full SJW.
Most of the 'meaning' the bible talks about is just someone ranting about how God will be cruel to you if you leave the religion.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438461371
48940800,48951793,2015-08-01 20:36:45,">>48951712
>If not, how does being atheistic conflate with politics or lifestyle?
Well for politics it would be about secularism and keeping the church out of any kind of government decision making.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438461405
48940800,48951855,2015-08-01 20:38:39,">>48951793
That's not particularly some kind of secularist duty; it's a duty to anyone who respects the laws and why we have them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438461519
48940800,48951871,2015-08-01 20:39:00,">>48951651
fedora.com of course my friend.
You can't not believe in god(s) and evil spirits without wearing a funny hat. Dick Dorkins the King of the Atheists told me this in scripture after he came back to life due to evolution.",,Anonymous,1428483145064.png,u1gv5/HORD/agS6PwkRVYw==,GB,,1438461540
48940800,48951872,2015-08-01 20:39:03,">>48951712
>If not, how does being atheistic conflate with politics or lifestyle?
Simple, we make up 10% of the population. Finding your own way in this world is rough without a church giving you a worldview, political party, and community",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438461543
48940800,48951992,2015-08-01 20:42:12,">>48951577
A good idea might be to ask for one with her hat off. That's her biggest fashion mistake. If it's an important symbol it can be held in her hand or something.
The big thing that's wrong is her colors are grey and black. 
Lab coat would still work, could be her day job.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438461732
48940800,48952024,2015-08-01 20:42:59,">>48951992
okie i will look into it. probably gonna have to pay someone 5 bucks or something but w/e",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438461779
48940800,48952038,2015-08-01 20:43:27,">>48951416
>projecting your youth this hard onto others",,Anonymous,1421720190157.jpg,k+TPpLN/FkcFEGaE1g+nNA==,CL,,1438461807
48940800,48952091,2015-08-01 20:44:43,">>48951992
I approve of day job Fedora-chan, we needn't be stuck to one outfit like the smelly Christ-chan",,Anonymous,1436937212656.jpg,/K/ARxKwV2PcVBjwTnTa/w==,US,,1438461883
48940800,48952156,2015-08-01 20:46:21,">>48951488
I'm sure it is nice talking to like minded people over the internet, but is your overexposure really so great that your faith died out? Or was your faith never that high to begin with?
>>48951775
The thing is, you didn't exactly answer my question. I asked what made you atheists reject religion, not how beneficial it would be to do so for yourself. Please try to answer my question now if you like.",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1438461981
48940800,48952195,2015-08-01 20:47:23,">>48952156
Oh no i lost my faith for other reasons that i went over in a few posts the other day in the catholic general and i dont feel like retyping. il look and see if they are archived later.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438462043
48940800,48952228,2015-08-01 20:48:17,">>48952156
>what made you atheists reject religion, not how beneficial it would be to do so for yourself.
I rejected it because it wasn't true. Turns out not worrying about Santa/God judging your every fap or skeptical thought is very freeing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438462097
48940800,48952283,2015-08-01 20:50:09,">>48951314
Kierkegaard was also a Universalist too though this isn't really a far stretch from the beliefs of quite a number of Church Fathers who were probably thinking according to a scheme of God drawing all things unto himself. This IMO seems to be the best way to solve the Problem of Hell. Without this how can what one does for a very insignificant part of an infinite lifespan result in spending the rest of this lifespan suffering. Another issue that keeps me from jumping the boat to theism is the issue of morality. That's one area the theist's defense sucks IMO.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438462209
48940800,48952334,2015-08-01 20:51:34,">>48952195
Please do.
>>48952228
More detail please, if you may. How did you find out it wasn't true for yourself? Were there any peculiar circumstances? Do you have problems with any segments of theism in particular?",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1438462294
48940800,48952342,2015-08-01 20:51:59,">>48952283
>Another issue that keeps me from jumping the boat to theism is the issue of morality
Aren't you the fag that thought DCT was a good idea?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438462319
48940800,48952356,2015-08-01 20:52:22,">>48952156
I think any argument over non-religion or religion and the precieved benefits of it is putting the cart before the horse in the first place. It is all incredibly subjective.
If I claimed that believing in leprechauns made you a better person and believing in leprechauns gave me a chance of getting gold at the end of the garden would you believe in them?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438462342
48940800,48952378,2015-08-01 20:53:03,">>48951872
...so you band together around the commonality of your faithlessness?
It's still not explaining my question, which is: Why, in a thread for atheists, is there a need for secularist ""politics and lifestyle"" discussion?
(a)theism is in no way associated with politics -- there is nothing pious that necessarily conflicts with religious views so much that it cannot be compatible; e.g. nothing is stopping the Mormon or the atheist from being a neocon, libertarian, or devout socialist. Further, politics does not necessarily provide the framework for a existential guideline insofar as a religion would.
I just want one of you to admit to me that when OP mentions ""secular politics and living"" that he means a thread for those with an overwhelmingly liberal world view that has nothing to do with your lack of belief and everything to do with a discussion wherein you all jerk each other off over some kind of conjured superiority over the lower caste (i.e. the religious).",,Anonymous,1433367985255.jpg,/mtOSV0rsRP9KgM2Ko1qYA==,US,,1438462383
48940800,48952442,2015-08-01 20:54:53,">>48940800
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
>We are. ...Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. ...Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
Nice try changing the definition to make language more ambiguous for the purposes of including more people into your group. No one is falling for your bullshit except fedora tippers and SJWs. The historical definition of Atheism is the belief that there are no deities, not the lack of belief that there are deities.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438462493
48940800,48952452,2015-08-01 20:55:18,">>48952334
>More detail please, if you may. How did you find out it wasn't true for yourself?
By studying other religions and applying skepticism to them. Eventually I got to my own religion and did the same. Turns out none of them are true, my being a Christian was a complete circumstance of my country of birth. 
It wasn't a huge leap, I was already an atheist about a thousand other gods. What is just one more?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438462518
48940800,48952506,2015-08-01 20:56:47,">>48952342
What's DCT? If it means ""doing Christian general"" then that ain't me",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438462607
48940800,48952551,2015-08-01 20:57:55,">>48952378
>when OP mentions ""secular politics and living"" that he means a thread for those with an overwhelmingly liberal world view",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1438462675
48940800,48952582,2015-08-01 20:58:43,">>48952156
First step was when I realized there were other religions in the world. I knew there was a Buddah and an Islam when I was a kid but eventually I thought 'how do I KNOW that my religion is the right one'.
Well I researched it and my religion's history was just as valid as theirs. ""Well my God did miracles that's how I know it's true!""
That kept me going for a while. Than I started learning about science in school and I realized there was no way these miracles happened. Eventually I learned other religions had miracles too and the only proof any of them had were thousand year old text books.
It occured to me that there is no way to prove one God over another. Than I realized that the whole concept of hell was insane than. No one can make the right choice, you just have to guess! There for even if God exists he is a cruel God. But I stayed a Christian cuz I was 9 and scared of the devil.
Another thing that kept me away from religion was I actually read the bible. There's truth in the phrase 'reading the bible makes you an atheist'. Even as a kid I thought God was wrong in everything he did. He acts jealous whenever his creation starts to succeed and tries to ruin their society. He constantly loses battles against other Gods and than blames the very people that honored him when everyone else hated him. That's Old testament god. New Testament God is even worst. Jesus's advice is full SJW and his disciples do nothing but threaten everyone with divine punishment if they don't accept God. Jesus acts like a passive aggressive asshole and is a political criminal actively trying to destroy his own culture.
Eventually I got over my fears and left the religion. Than a bit later I read Nietzsche and realized that Christianity has the worst moral system ever made and even if God did exist he wouldn't be an ally but an enemy.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438462723
48940800,48952698,2015-08-01 21:01:25,">>48952334
Il just summarize it it was a few days ago and i cant find it.
Basically I was raised catholic in the deep south (texas) and pretty much followed everything i was supposed to do to a T. This however didnt seem to have any effect on the fact that a shit ton of terrible things happened to me growing up.
I had quite a few surgeries including a brain tumor which left me in the hospital for months and a shit ton of other problems because they had to cut the Sympathetic chain. I was severemly emotionally and physically abused by some family members, and although i wont go into details, it deeply affected me and still does to this day, even after 4 years of therepy, especially since they were catholic themselves and would always go on about how good believers they were.
What finally caused me to lose my faith was about the age of 10 I started getting kidney stones, something usually reserved for adults. Now im not sure if you know how much they hurt but iv been told it hurts like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly, only the pain stays until the stone passes. From the age of 10- 17 i had about 80 or so of them, so thats about the equivalent of having 80 babies worth of pain. 
During one of the times where i was unable to pass a stone myself, probably around age 14, I was in the hospital in extreme agony (even with morphine) and after all the shit i had been through I came to the conclusion that god either didnt exist, or he didnt give a single fuck about me, so i decided simply to stop believing in him.
It wasnt for another few years before I started to explore all the logical reasons for why god probably doesn't exist, mostly thanks to my science teachers, and the fact we no longer lived in texas.
Also heres another cute atheist",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,black_metal_barbie2_by_Ego93.jpg,cqOVoDzKVmQrOCxeU3TvEw==,CA,,1438462885
48940800,48952709,2015-08-01 21:01:40,">>48943343
Don't bother. Atheists are so intellectually insecure that they have to co-opt agnosticism and change its definition to get more support.
That's why they made up the ""weak"" and ""strong"" atheism bullshit, even though such terms are inherently contradictory to the very meaning of atheism. You can't be a ""weak"" atheist, because by stating you are an atheist you are automatically assuming a strong stance. You can't be a ""strong"" atheist, because there is only one type of atheist, the type that states there is no god(s).
Atheism is a stance of saying there is no god(s).
Theism is a stance of saying there is a god(s).
Agnosticism is a stance of saying maybe there is a god(s), maybe not.
All are equally faith and/or knowledge based statements, but atheists are so insecure they have to try to re-define everything they possibly can to be atheism so they can boost their numbers.
They are just as bad as the religious zealots they decry, trying to forcibly convert any non-believers in glorious secularism, and demanding they follow the dogma of rationality and skepticism (as they fail to properly follow either).
So fuck you, atheists. You can't claim agnostics because you are insecure little faggots. Go back to your dogmatic circle jerk.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438462900
48940800,48952755,2015-08-01 21:02:45,">>48952709
gee wiz is it that time of the month or do you always have this much sand in your vagina. Why are you so angry?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,47t2114508.jpg,uSZmMuKJRfIfqAvXlcuP6A==,CA,,1438462965
48940800,48952818,2015-08-01 21:04:10,>>48952698,,Anonymous,1352822824996.jpg,91i24DbmuhVOa/kIWquHhQ==,US,,1438463050
48940800,48952828,2015-08-01 21:04:22,">>48952442
It strikes me as funny the way religious people try and reclaim agnosticism. Being agnostic means you accept that there is no evidence whether god(s) exist or not. Strangely (I can't imagine why) every single religious person thinks agnostics sort of 50/50 agree with their religious beliefs.
You could be an ISIS head cutter and be an agnostic, your could be Christopher Hitchens and be an agnostic. I have nothing against my fellow agnostics but I think if you claim to be ""purely"" an agnostic you should define your position.
I am an agnostic atheist.",,Anonymous,1417035347733.jpg,OVISD0YJyeuSo/DUJQ2L7g==,GB,,1438463062
48940800,48952891,2015-08-01 21:06:05,"Reposting from another thread earlier this morning because I'm trying to figure out if there is a name for my view on atheism and theism.
>The problem I have with atheism/theism is that I don't know what a deity is. I've asked people how they define a god, but all they do is give me properties THEIR god exhibits. In the case of atheism, they tend to give me the properties of the judeo-christian god. From my research, I have concluded there is no effective categorization for a deity, and as such I don't even comprehend the question of whether a god can exist or not. I don't know what a god is, and no one can describe a deity in general. Every time I think I've found a property of a deity, I find another person who believes in a deity without that property (or with a property that necessarily excludes the initial property). I don't really have a big problem with most non-theism and spirituality as they tend to have negligible impact (good or bad) relative to theistic religions.
>I don't know if there is a term to describe my stance, but I would be interested in knowing.
Malaysiafag, I didn't notice your response in that thread. The way I see it, it's not worth examining whether a god can exist in general. I think it's easier to look at each object of worship (that's as specific as I can describe a deity) within a religion, and to find contradictions for its existence.",,Anonymous,1437152579918.jpg,KV7ZE0wqk/5N+x24NSOx+g==,CA,,1438463165
48940800,48952900,2015-08-01 21:06:20,">>48952283
Hell originally didn't exist in Christianity. It was formed later by combining various Pagan ideas. The practical reason is that it was really the only way to get converts.
A God that judges based on merits would be a good God but than the church loses all it's power. The whole concept of sin was invented to give Rabbis power over their community. Pretty much everything was a sin so you needed the priesthood in every aspect of your life and they could remove sin....for a fee. Also since just about anything can be a sin it means the priesthood gets to be involved in every fucking aspect of politics and social affairs ever.
Christians copied this idea and even started selling holy items like necklaces that could remove sin.
If you want to understand Christianity just think of any story or rule and think about how it benefits the church. If you do this the bible becomes much easier to read. God/angel is a word interchangeable with 'the church' and 'the priests'",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438463180
48940800,48952933,2015-08-01 21:07:07,">>48951775
>cannot recall a single moment in which etc.
>12 years, not a single bit of happiness
>not ""Christianity used to validate my existence by providing a definition for life and existence
I don't understand post-christian atheists who say they never really believed in God or got anything from being Christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463227
48940800,48952980,2015-08-01 21:08:18,">>48952818
lol i didnt even go into any of the details. I mean iv gotten to the point where i can talk about it with my gf and other people that are close to me but talking about that stuff to random people i dont know is usually pretty difficult.
Plus i dont come here for sympathy.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438463298
48940800,48952984,2015-08-01 21:08:29,">>48952891
First, take a set of all the things you think probably exist. 
Then think about if anything in that set can be described as a deity. 
If not, you're an atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463309
48940800,48953002,2015-08-01 21:08:45,">>48952891
The stance exhibited in that post is Agnostic Atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463325
48940800,48953007,2015-08-01 21:08:50,">>48952709
How does the idea that maybe there is a God cause you to live your life any differently as you would if you were an atheist? Agnosticism and atheism are morally equivalent because neither of us have faith in God. The only reason to identify as agnostic is if you're a cuckold.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463330
48940800,48953032,2015-08-01 21:09:24,"""Agnostics are 'effectively' atheists!""
Yeah, by that technicality so is every religion that is not the correct one, you dumb shits.
Keep your atheism to yourselves. Quit proselytizing to claim agnostics. You're no better than the fucking religious extremists you mock.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463364
48940800,48953096,2015-08-01 21:10:57,">>48953032
why are you so salty? I think it may be time for a nap",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,tmpYz9Bi0.jpg,NSklD4p1l+k3erbm9GIJig==,CA,,1438463457
48940800,48953098,2015-08-01 21:10:58,">>48953032
We're not claiming agnostics, most agnostics are theists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463458
48940800,48953151,2015-08-01 21:12:06,">>48953032
>>48953032
By ""agnostics"" do you happen to be claiming the ones that think there is a 50/50 chance Muhammad went to heaven on a winged horse or the ones that say there is a 50/50 Jesus rose from the dead?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438463526
48940800,48953153,2015-08-01 21:12:10,">>48952698
it's almost like parody at this point.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463530
48940800,48953174,2015-08-01 21:12:35,">>48952984
Read my post. I don't know what a deity is. If we're assuming a deity is anything that is worshipped, then yes I believe deities exist (a concrete object could be worshipped religiously, and assuming it exists tangibly, then it is an existing deity).",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438463555
48940800,48953215,2015-08-01 21:13:20,">>48953153
You think i am making it up? Thats silly. I wouldnt have gone to therepy for 4 years and spend a shit ton of money if it didnt. Plus i have medical records about my kidney stones lol.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438463600
48940800,48953301,2015-08-01 21:15:36,">>48953174
A supreme being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes. 
No one would define it as ""something that is worshipped""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438463736
48940800,48953478,2015-08-01 21:20:16,">>48952891
This is an interesting question. There are indeed many definitions for God. To understand why you need to understand why religion is made. Religion is made a priesthood for the purpose of establishing certain values, a certain way of living as the one that shall be followed for all time.
The divine things are simply a manifestation of different values or ways of living. For instance a harvest God is obviously a manifestation of the agriculture lifestyle. Buddha's concept of the divine is simply a manifestation of the time he lived in; a peaceful, tranquil time, with little conflict. Because a life-style can take on so many different forms there will be so many different forms for the divine.",,OuterLimits,1416574547679.jpg,TrzByHBGfUzAzebNhlTyUA==,US,,1438464016
48940800,48953615,2015-08-01 21:23:32,">>48953301
I just defined deities as such, so your last statement isn't true.
Clarify what you mean by supreme being. Is it a being which is superior to all other beings? Is it superior in only a few ways, and if so, which ways? If it's not superior in any way to other beings, then it is not a deity? What do you mean by being, anyway? For example, I could create a fictional being in my mind. Does this mean that a deity can exist as a concept rather than as a physical object? What do you mean by power over nature? If I pick a flower am I exerting power over nature? Explain what you mean by human fortunes. Am I altering human fortunes by murdering a person?
By this account I could justify a human as being a deity.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438464212
48940800,48953713,2015-08-01 21:26:13,">>48953301
>A supreme being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes.
In other words something that randomly manifests itself to humans through the ""revealed"" word of god(s). Something virtually every religion defines itself as.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438464373
48940800,48953714,2015-08-01 21:26:15,">>48953615
Well in bhudism for instance, they view Bhudda as being someone who reached a ""perfect state"" of consciousness known as nirvana through meditation and being reborn. Im pretty sure he is considered a deity to them, but they do not think that he created the universe.
So i think there is a difference between believing in a deity and believing in an all powerful creator.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438464375
48940800,48953766,2015-08-01 21:27:29,">>48953615
Do you believe in the Abrahamic God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438464449
48940800,48953795,2015-08-01 21:28:14,">>48952933
When I was very very young I believed in God because it's what my parents taught. When I was a somewhat young I followed it out of fear.
I am being completely serious. I do not remember a single moment where I was happy for Jesus. None of the bible made me feel anything but sadness and pity for the humans that God hated. I read it because I thought it had truths that did not exist in any other book.
The only thing I time I ever gained anything from God is when I killed him; any sort of trial in life makes you stronger.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438464494
48940800,48953889,2015-08-01 21:30:49,">>48953766
If someone believes there exists an object which is omnipotent, then I know it does not exist, as its existence is a contradiction. I don't want to make the claim that all people believe the ""Abrahamic God"" is omnipotent, but I suspect a lot of theists do.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438464649
48940800,48953961,2015-08-01 21:32:37,">>48940800
i have my own theory is that there is no afterlife but u are rebirthed as a different species on a different plannet
i believe after u die u go to a place that looks like the place u feel safe the most it may be a room,
a town or at a bar
u stay here until u choose in that place u have a bubble like object that u will say which race u want to be incarnated like if u are a brony (u will become a pony) or if u like lions u become a lion first born
after u are born u will have the same thoughts but u will rapidly change until u say ur first words u will change but when u say them u will fully change into that animal u will no exist anymore but u incarnation till time stops
but thats what i think
id like feed back on my theory if possable",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438464757
48940800,48953968,2015-08-01 21:32:46,">>48952933
What was I supposed to get from believing in Yahweh rather than a lot of teenage angst about whether I was going to burn for eternity in magicbadplace rather than living forever in magicgoodplace?
The basis of Christianity can be traced back to a nutty Jewish Rabbi following a desert religion who decided he was about to bring about the apocalypse.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438464766
48940800,48953984,2015-08-01 21:33:03,">>48953889
Well, that would essentially make you an atheist these days unless there are some other supernatural forces you believe in.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438464783
48940800,48954017,2015-08-01 21:33:54,">>48953984
I'm not an atheist, as I know for a fact that an omnipotent object does not exist. It's not a belief.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438464834
48940800,48954028,2015-08-01 21:34:11,">>48953961
>id like feed back on my theory if possable
Is there any reason to believe it is true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438464851
48940800,48954113,2015-08-01 21:36:54,">>48954017
I don't think I was clear here, my point is that I'm not making a claim for all other objects which people consider to be deities.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438465014
48940800,48954141,2015-08-01 21:37:32,">>48954017
Well, you obviously don't believe God exists, that makes you an atheist. No matter how sure you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438465052
48940800,48954201,2015-08-01 21:38:58,">>48954028
it is what i believe there is a limit of matter in the universe so rcycleing it would make since when planets die they are reborn there matter goes to make new planets 
so why not souls
but i have as much evidence as a guy who thinks a crazy book that says the earth was created 3000 years ago and the earth was created less than a week 
so i may be wrong but nobody can truly know for sure",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438465138
48940800,48954247,2015-08-01 21:40:00,">>48954141
I can't describe what a deity is without circular definitions (e.g., a deity is what anyone considers to be a deity). The question of whether a deity exists doesn't mean anything to me. It's not a question I can consider since I literally don't understand the question. I can't possibly be an atheist or a theist. However, I can make the factual statement that an omnipotent object cannot exist.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438465200
48940800,48954268,2015-08-01 21:40:33,">>48954247
you sound like a theist.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438465233
48940800,48954282,2015-08-01 21:40:50,">>48954268
deist* i mean",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438465250
48940800,48954343,2015-08-01 21:42:27,">>48954247
>I am functionally an atheist but I want to argue I am the most special of special snowflakes",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438465347
48940800,48954347,2015-08-01 21:42:33,">>48954247
All deities have a supernatural component",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438465353
48940800,48954397,2015-08-01 21:43:51,Why people try so hard to name their beliefs? This whole thread is that. Oh if you believe that than you are atheist. No i believe in different way therefore i am agnostic. This is pretty tarded tbh.,,Anonymous,,,TR,,1438465431
48940800,48954429,2015-08-01 21:44:52,">>48954397
i agree. Semantics are pretty silly. Just say if you believe in god or not and be done with it.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438465492
48940800,48954488,2015-08-01 21:46:36,">>48954397
Tards come in here and aren't happy with the actual definition of agnostic, so they bitch and moan. That's why it is in the FAQ. I'm just gonna ignore them from now on",,Anonymous,housemate_atheist.jpg,0vRtDYF8cxGSjuNLZZBRkg==,US,,1438465596
48940800,48954616,2015-08-01 21:50:37,"Their incapacity for social/emotional/figurative thinking makes spiritual life impossible. It also contributes to the obnoxious sperging
Not a meme
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/01/sunday-assembly-atheist_n_5915830.html",,Anonymous,6356098185_f4a83b4911_o.jpg,lHkGGriMqgn3fN4yjl8BiQ==,US,,1438465837
48940800,48954654,2015-08-01 21:51:39,"From our Religion's profile's bin
-------
-Pure Agnosticism: This is the belief that it is impossible to reasonable tell if there is a God or not. It is not being undecided it is deciding the question is unanswerable. It is not superstitious and hence not bad. Pure Agnosticism is very rare. Most agnostics on the internet are just undecided. Sometimes pure agnosticism is used as a mask by theists or atheists when entering hostile enemy territory.
http://agnosticuniverse.org/blog/",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438465899
48940800,48954706,2015-08-01 21:53:18,">>48954397
I can't speak for anyone else, but I just want to label it so I can find literature about it (who would have thought classifications could be useful). The best case scenario is it allows you to find arguments which challenge your stances.
>>48954343
>functionally an atheist
Objects can be distinct yet functionally similar. However, I don't believe my stances are remotely similar to atheism. I only make claims about things I know factually, which atheism does not do. More specifically, atheists believe there exists no deities, and I just finished explaining how I don't know what a deity is.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438465998
48940800,48954951,2015-08-01 21:59:59,">>48954654
>It is not being undecided it is deciding the question is unanswerable
That's strong agnosticism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438466399
48940800,48954990,2015-08-01 22:01:07,">>48954616
From our religion's profile.
-Non-superstitious Spiritualism: At the heart of spiritualism is taking value judgments in life and mystifying them. Superstition is not necessary for these. You can describe the earth as 'sacred' without needing a sky-fairy.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438466467
48940800,48955228,2015-08-01 22:07:17,">>48954706
A deity would be practically any spiritual (ie never physically alive, for the most part) being that is or has been worshiped in human history.
I think people are atheistic because of course, with our level of technology and knowledge of the universe, there's no way to definitely know what created the universe. All the evidence we have gathered, and continue to gather, constantly points away from a creator, hence the atheist point of view.
Most atheists seem to be agnostic atheists regardless. I do believe many would convert if there was evidence for a creator that couldn't be denied by any sane person.
I agree that we could have been created, but probably by an ancient advanced civilisation, so advanced that they would probably seem like gods to us. I believe that whatever the case, christanity, Islam and whatever other earthly religion you can thing of is definitely wrong.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438466837
48940800,48955229,2015-08-01 22:07:19,">>48943772
HOLY SHIT THAT DICK IS TINY
Seriously does he have kleinferts?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438466839
48940800,48955419,2015-08-01 22:11:39,">>48955229
no actually most fat guys have a small penis. I cant remember why exactly but the fat actually sucks up your penis into it, which is why skinny dudes tend to have bigger dicks.
His dick would look bigger if he wasnt so fat.
Hes also one of the reasons im embarrassed to be an atheist.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438467099
48940800,48955830,2015-08-01 22:22:13,"I feel accomplished, /pol/ is starting to notice the uptick in atheism and it is leading more people to create for/against threads where debate takes place. 
This is good news because we will always win the debate. I see a bright future here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438467733
48940800,48955899,2015-08-01 22:24:02,">>48955830
Who is ""we""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438467842
48940800,48955945,2015-08-01 22:25:14,">>48954990
Atheism is not a religion, you stupid mouthbreather",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438467914
48940800,48955974,2015-08-01 22:26:01,">>48955899
The coalition",,Anonymous,1415209063957.jpg,xdYNtKQn7994+X9+qqZWMg==,US,,1438467961
48940800,48956489,2015-08-01 22:38:37,">>48955945
some people are not actually able to breathe out of their nose for one, also when you learn about deep breathing and meditation techniques, alternating your beathing can really help you become focused and self aware. Therefore using ""mouthbreather"" as an insult seems kinda silly.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438468717
48940800,48956927,2015-08-01 22:49:02,">>48955974
What am I looking at?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469342
48940800,48956958,2015-08-01 22:49:43,">>48956489
Mouthbreather pls",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469383
48940800,48957020,2015-08-01 22:51:29,">>48955945
And the post I made has nothing to do with atheism. It is describing other religions.
Atheism is not a religion but an atheist can be religious, this is pretty common in for instance Judaism. There are rabbis that do not believe in God and treat their holy book as one big metaphor.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438469489
48940800,48957023,2015-08-01 22:51:32,">>48956927
Illuminati Jesus",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469492
48940800,48957110,2015-08-01 22:53:27,">>48957023
Okay, I must be out the loop
What is illuminate Jesus?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469607
48940800,48957150,2015-08-01 22:54:26,">>48957110
https://youtu.be/Id6nCa_OTEM",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469666
48940800,48957167,2015-08-01 22:54:51,">>48948308
Horse faced cunt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469691
48940800,48957172,2015-08-01 22:54:55,">>48957020
Are you stupid?
Your post starts off with
>From our religion's profile.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469695
48940800,48957219,2015-08-01 22:55:58,">>48957110
Sounds like /x/ tier Christianity. Basically according to the bible there will be a fake Jesus who works for the devil (or literally is the devil depending on what you believe).
/x/ Christians think the New world order illuminant is working with Satan so the fake Jesus will tell everyone to accept the illuminant as their leader.",,OuterLimits,1437593134439.png,cBZu0yGIQM5BriJiiaHzdA==,US,,1438469758
48940800,48957272,2015-08-01 22:57:02,">>48957172
Yeah I worded that wrong.
It is the profile of religions, the profiles which belong to our community.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438469822
48940800,48957290,2015-08-01 22:57:32,">>48955974
This is my goal body.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469852
48940800,48957332,2015-08-01 22:58:31,">>48957219
I'm sorry, I cant take anything you say seriously
You sound like a underage brat
are there any real atheist I can confide in?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469911
48940800,48957351,2015-08-01 22:58:47,>>48957167,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,7141b166b48b1cad259e84c670f15fdae955b2ce0aa93b2787a4378e12fefdc7.jpg,fsG7RUwpT5Xvp+dIiILEcw==,CA,,1438469927
48940800,48957387,2015-08-01 22:59:31,">>48942485
Did you see both sides? 
Or are you just shitposting?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469971
48940800,48957396,2015-08-01 22:59:40,">>48955974
Not gonna lie, dude looks hawt",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438469980
48940800,48957533,2015-08-01 23:03:02,">>48957272
Maybe put ""from "". To avoid confusion and show it is content of our pastebin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438470182
48940800,48957580,2015-08-01 23:04:11,">>48957351
>defending the beast",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438470251
48940800,48957686,2015-08-01 23:06:27,">>48957580
post your pic pls so we can all point and laugh",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,Adrianne-Curry-Net-Worth.jpg,1UBLRYUSgQvAzaSbiUCdGQ==,CA,,1438470387
48940800,48957978,2015-08-01 23:13:29,">>48957332
Sure m8, tell me your thoughts",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438470809
48940800,48958617,2015-08-01 23:28:53,">>48952900
None of the Holy items and stuff could remove sin to be honest. Never heard any Christian believe that. If any though the history of Christianity shows that the power of the priesthood or presbytery is not really like Catholicism at least before the Great Schism happened. There's like a whole iconoclast controversy between the laity and the leadership of the Church at one point. The laity won suffice to say otherwise all Christian art would be non existent",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438471733
48940800,48958763,2015-08-01 23:32:51,">>48952891
I guess you are right here though I would also seek to find philosophical problems with those systems of belief. Anyhow I am stuck outside my basement now so I can't give long and more elaborate responses until I get home. Remember, life is a mess and absurd.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438471971
48940800,48958832,2015-08-01 23:34:50,">>48958763
No worries. Take care.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438472090
48940800,48959475,2015-08-01 23:51:28,">>48958617
There's a huge of selling Indulgence's their power can vary from forgiving minor sins to literally making you immune from sin depending on what the priest at the time was saying.
Catholicism started losing power because Christianity started dying. It's just taken so fucking long to happen. It wasn't started by atheists, it happened long before Dawkins and co.
To grasp how weak Christianity has become consider the land mass that Catholicism used to rule over. Now what do they have now? A single tiny land mass only about 109 acres.
The Church gains it's power from God. God's power is demonstrated through miracles. Science kills miracles which in turn kills God and the church.",,OuterLimits,11.jpg,igHWYIZkZqDKmd+my0nebA==,US,,1438473088
48940800,48959494,2015-08-01 23:51:45,">>48955899
It's a christfag who thinks reddit is behind this.
Can't wait for a screencap in Christian general.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438473105
48940800,48959842,2015-08-02 00:00:44,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMex7qk5GU,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438473644
48940800,48960033,2015-08-02 00:04:55,">>48959842
Their God doesn't exist either",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438473895
48940800,48960105,2015-08-02 00:06:41,">>48943238
How childish. I mean you pic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438474001
48940800,48960223,2015-08-02 00:09:52,">>48944259
Im a Christian and I think this is funny. Its just so silly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438474192
48940800,48960552,2015-08-02 00:18:43,">>48952900
>Hell originally didn't exist in Christianity. 
It did, it was called Sheol(literally meaning ""the grave""), and everyone went there. It was basically oblivion if you were good and tormenting if you were bad. Hell is the English word for Hades, which the new testament used to describe virtually the same thing.
>A God that judges based on merits would be a good God but than the church loses all it's power. 
That's true if you're going to treat sin like the catholics did with indulgences.
God judges on merit- but being good does NOT mean you want to go to heaven. You can be a good person without God. The fact that so many Christians fail to understand this drives me mad. Continuing on, going to heaven or hell is about whether or not you want to spend eternity with God. Hell would be far more pleasant to anyone who doesn't want a god in their life, than being forced to spend eternity with him. Would you want to be forced into a marriage with someone you didn't want? Because that's basically what it would mean to go to heaven without loving God.
>The whole concept of sin was invented to give Rabbis power over their community. 
Yeah, remember when they banned incest because ""no fun allowed,"" and not because of the dangers of genetic deformities? :^)
Mixing fibers in cloth was important because the makeup of your clothing was how you identified foreigners. There was a logical reason for every single law in the Old Testament.
>>48960033
He does though. 
but I'll give a tl;dw version: Most Christians believe in God for really stupid reasons, and atheists are correct to call us out on it. But Aquinas basically talked about the stuff that atheists today are talking about over a thousand years ago, and it leads us to there being a God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438474723
48940800,48961133,2015-08-02 00:32:50,">>48960552
Aquinas is probably one your best arguments.
There's counters to Aquinas but it involves really boring science. 
Every old testament Law had a purpose, like you said. A lot of weird food and clothing was just designed to prevent them being assimilated into other cultures. For a real example of how this works look at Hasids.
The goal of any priesthood is to get into as many aspects of as many people's lives as possible. This can either be really good or really bad depending on how the priesthood is. ""You cannot be X without God"" is one of the priesthood's way of maintaining control. Protestants aren't exempt they simply go for an older priesthood. Although they arguably have more control than the Catholics.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438475570
48940800,48961727,2015-08-02 00:50:05,">>48960552
>But Aquinas basically talked about the stuff that atheists today are talking about over a thousand years ago, and it leads us to there being a God.
Haha, he sure doesn't. Have you read his work? His proofs are based on a fantasy world, and his conclusions are nowhere close to the Catholic God that demands we don't masturbate and turns water into wine",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438476605
48940800,48961780,2015-08-02 00:51:44,">>48940800
if Jesus isn't real, why do the Jews hate him?
checkmate atheists",,Anonymous,jesus jews.jpg,e0JqAZxVMAXINFEvPG7z5A==,US,,1438476704
48940800,48961904,2015-08-02 00:55:52,">>48947997
RIP my zipper. What a great captcha I got (pic related).",,Anonymous,appropriate captcha.png,UvM8WLQ/gkxLW1ljkQvIwQ==,US,,1438476952
48940800,48961917,2015-08-02 00:56:07,"I find in many of these threads that a lot of Atheists believe that faith and scientific reasoning are incompatible mindsets.
On the contrary, many of the world's greatest scientific discoveries were made by devout Christians, proving that far from inhibiting an inquisitive mind, faith and science can coexist. After all, they both are concerned with the same thing: truth.
In an attempt to better educate those who believe faith and rational thought are exclusive mindsets, I will be posting my collection of the greatest scientific minds the world has ever known (who also happen to be Christian)",,Anonymous,boyle.jpg,2MHawXxolIEkBgAu77BreQ==,US,,1438476967
48940800,48961968,2015-08-02 00:57:19,,,Anonymous,faraday.jpg,W+8l7mEhfFmHszM3AQ4ADQ==,US,,1438477039
48940800,48961978,2015-08-02 00:57:48,,,Anonymous,joule.jpg,ZCiWZ4gCY3As7JQ7CcyJsQ==,US,,1438477068
48940800,48962008,2015-08-02 00:58:42,,,Anonymous,kelvin.jpg,PR1JuVyJB7HsKNMtSYqvnw==,US,,1438477122
48940800,48962044,2015-08-02 00:59:43,,,Anonymous,leeuwenhoek.jpg,e3LPY4zA1/DcKpumDDYy7Q==,US,,1438477183
48940800,48962080,2015-08-02 01:00:48,,,Anonymous,linnaeus.jpg,izRkPO/sucV/AAcALCilVA==,US,,1438477248
48940800,48962098,2015-08-02 01:01:30,,,Anonymous,maxwell.jpg,PxJ5ZJJbww8Ay9ABSTtnjA==,US,,1438477290
48940800,48962153,2015-08-02 01:03:29,,,Anonymous,mendel.jpg,IcPsaF4eSZVFiqHG/dr0mg==,US,,1438477409
48940800,48962188,2015-08-02 01:04:31,,,Anonymous,newton.jpg,g8dB+4S1+Vug83T/FoA14g==,US,,1438477471
48940800,48962192,2015-08-02 01:04:39,">>48951775
>For instance the Sodom and Gomora story. In that story 2 males angels come to town. A crowd wants to ass rape them, Lot tells the crowd they can rape his daughters instead. The angels tell Lot that he did the right thing.
What's sad is this is completely true and unambiguous. I really don't understand how people can go and read and 'study' this shit in classes every week and not just fucking realize it's ancient desert bullshit with no meaning in today's world.",,Anonymous,1431015638713.jpg,c+TTJADNeubuLFaDMGsgyg==,US,,1438477479
48940800,48962202,2015-08-02 01:04:55,,,Anonymous,pasteur.jpg,g720x3g4MmA6fhqKmEa7zw==,US,,1438477495
48940800,48962343,2015-08-02 01:09:02,,,Anonymous,vonbraun.jpg,GTT+7pSpK/4Y1EFkQKS6og==,US,,1438477742
48940800,48962382,2015-08-02 01:10:57,,,Anonymous,wgcsmath.jpg,Hr+gduPWnLkbtrNDXO3hjw==,US,,1438477857
48940800,48962486,2015-08-02 01:14:54,">>48962343
That just so happened to be the least ridiculous part of the story. Not sure why you focused on that aspect.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438478094
48940800,48962611,2015-08-02 01:18:38,">>48962486
i realized after posting it was originally outerlimits who posted it, so my bad there.
i ""focused"" on that part of the story because it was the only part that was completely made up. the rest is in the bible. 
It also would have some serious implications if the angels upheld lot's actions, no?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438478318
48940800,48962721,2015-08-02 01:22:22,">>48959475
Sounds a bit like weber's disenchantment hypothesis.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438478542
48940800,48962776,2015-08-02 01:24:02,">>48962343
Here is the text. Mr. Christian can you explain what Lot's reasoning is? Lot is a righteous man in the eyes of the Lord. Please do not pull the 'this is a metaphor crap' Christians LOVE this story because it justifies their hatred of gays. I've even seen Christian documentaries where they brag they found the real Sodom and Gomorrah.
>Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” 6 Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him, 7 and said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. 8 Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.”",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438478642
48940800,48963330,2015-08-02 01:41:30,">>48962776
This is most assuredly not a metaphor, dont worry about me trying to argue that.
You want me to ""explain Lot's reasoning""? Lot has already explained it in the story. ""For these men have come under my roof"".
Modern western culture is a little removed from ancient middle eastern culture, which held hospitality in high regard. Taking in a stranger under your roof meant you would do everything to protect them. For Lot, this obligation extended to the point where he was willing to sacrifice his own daughters well being to protect these strangers. 
This of course is entirely unfair to Lot's daughters, and could hardly be considered ""the right thing to do"", which is why I was so quick to point out that the angels never upheld this action.
You say Lot is a righteous man in the eyes of the Lord. You are right in that he was the only man in the entire city that God deemed righteous enough to escape judgment. This does not mean Lot is perfect, I think a more courageous stance on his part would have been to tell those men that he would die before he gave in to their demands. But Lot is human, and it is still extremely commendable of him to make a stand against ""every man in the city, young and old"", by refusing to give them the strangers he took in, and instead sacrificing his own daughters, which im sure was a terrible decision for him to make. Keep in mind that the men were not satisfied with Lot's offer, and threatened to rape him too for not giving in.
And why are you angry at Lot and not the crowd of gang rapists who are responsible for this tragedy anyways?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438479690
48940800,48963440,2015-08-02 01:44:51,">>48963330
Why didn't the fucking ANGELS just kick the shit out of the rapists? Fly them all to safety? Let the rapists rape them? Do something, I dunno, angelic? Using women like property doesn't seem like something agents of an omniscient God would allow to happen, especially because Lot was supposed to be the holy guy in a city of sin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438479891
48940800,48963562,2015-08-02 01:48:08,,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438480088
48940800,48963660,2015-08-02 01:50:49,">>48963562
Oh cool. How come angels don't do that to rapists anymore? 
Anyway, new thread >>48963546",,Anonymous,mG22AKY.jpg,4nZ9A55zahSa2w0EyyegMA==,US,,1438480249
48940800,48963798,2015-08-02 01:54:54,">>48963330
>But Lot is human
Would you offer you daughters up to be raped to protect strangers? The bible is supposed to be a moral guide-book so you only have so much leverage with cultural differences, it's a morality that is supposed to be appropriate for all cultures for all. If it's all culturally relative we can just flush the whole bible and say it's no longer relevant (which is exactly what I propose). 
The thugs are dead and are not trying to influence my life
The angels and the God they serve is supposed to be master of humans and influence a great deal.
>>48963440
God later kill's Lot's wife when she turnes to look at the decaying city. Being all powerful God could have destroyed the city in a way where it was safe to look. He knew his wife would turn and look at it and he intionally chose a message to kill her.
Saying god's murder 'didnt count because of free will' is like saying I can pull the trigger on a gun when I know you will walk around a corner and it's not my fault because you had the will to walk into the bullet's trajectory.",,OuterLimits,1416572999159.jpg,jFcAEd7trRImpZDvEz5QYg==,US,,1438480494
48940800,48963857,2015-08-02 01:56:30,">>48963660
You want God to exercise judgment on sinners immediately?
Keep in mind that for a God who is perfectly just, and will not tolerate even the smallest amount of wickedness to go unpunished, it would not turn out very well for those of us who still sin.
Except those of us who cling to Jesus' sacrifice for our salvation, and not our own good works.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438480590
48963546,48963546,2015-08-02 01:47:39,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,K3lGeWs.jpg,sESPo/4e2mAvgnQU/Folzg==,US,,1438480059
48963546,48963579,2015-08-02 01:48:40,">>48963546
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,8FXZM.jpg,CRsaGdkc2lsWQOOR5Ka0sQ==,US,,1438480120
48963546,48963946,2015-08-02 01:59:02,,,Anonymous,christianity does not quench my intellectual thirst.png,hUjPUo+wSNYq92NZKcqVYg==,AU,,1438480742
48963546,48963949,2015-08-02 01:59:12,,,Anonymous,kdAYA3w.jpg,sphRfYW7Ml3b4QaimwNYVA==,US,,1438480752
48963546,48964009,2015-08-02 02:01:18,">>48963857
Well, he cast judgment on these guys. I'm sure there have been worse people since then. Don't see why he would immediately punish them then and not now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438480878
48963546,48964341,2015-08-02 02:10:36,"So guys. I'm really worried.
>>48963981
>>48963861
Christians are getting fucking crazy, like literally believing Satan flys around in a UFO and is working with the reptilian bankers to cause 9/11 with ancient Atlantis technology.
I think all the powers of rationality cannot defeat this! Protestant Christianity is becoming fucking /x/
For examples of what I mean look at the videos Age of Deceit or the youtuber Vigilante Christian.",,OuterLimits,2437365069896.png,Cu8r73CICg6lGqYg18BVnA==,US,,1438481436
48963546,48964411,2015-08-02 02:12:47,">>48964341
oy christ this is like another crucifixion all over again!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438481567
48963546,48964434,2015-08-02 02:13:27,">>48964341
Yeah, uhh... Not sure what to say. I guess it is easier to ignore people that are crazy, as long as a particular flavor of crazy doesn't become too popular. 
I'm not sure it is worth fighting them. I'd rather focus our energy at the majority, particularly Catholicism. 
I think the crazies will spawn infighting within the Christian community, which is good because it gets them thinking rationally and also hinders their efforts towards us",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438481607
48963546,48964640,2015-08-02 02:19:08,">>48964434
The crazies are going to complete consume the Protestant side. There won't be much infighting because protestants basically think you can believe whatever you want as long as you believe in trinity.
This is what happens when you try to say evolution isn't real and Genesis is not just a metaphor.
Catholicism is going the other way, preserving their sanity by saying everything is a metaphor. But that's reducing Christianity from a religion to a philosophy. And as I've tried saying at the philosophical level Christianity is Leftism philosophy. We see that in the Vatican.
I've said in our bin's profile's of religion that /x/ tier Christianity is actually our friend because they ruin the religion's reputation with anyone on the fence.
So I guess you are right, we should focus on Catholicism, which is a way harder to beast to slay (partly because literally everything is a metaphor).",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438481948
48963546,48964745,2015-08-02 02:22:20,">>48964341
>atheism general
>expecting a standalone defense of belief system
>first post attacks fringe ""christians"" on youtube accounts
never change fedoras",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438482140
48963546,48964862,2015-08-02 02:25:35,">>48964640
>So I guess you are right, we should focus on Catholicism, which is a way harder to beast to slay (partly because literally everything is a metaphor).
Let's do it then. I made that Aquinas critique. Perhaps I can make some more images of criticism. Too bad wolfy is gone, I could pick his brain.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438482335
48963546,48964908,2015-08-02 02:26:45,">>48964745
This is way less fringe than you would believe. Vigilante Christian is the MOST subscribed Christian youtuber I know of. Age of Deceit has like double the number of hits of any other Christian youtube video. It has 3 times as many hits as the most popular documentary about Jesus.
Look I know people that are Protestant, all of them get exposed to this stuff. Most don't go full in but they all take little bites. It's one of those underground movements and it's going to get really scarey.
In 10 years expect David Ike to be a major part of Christianity.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438482405
48963546,48964953,2015-08-02 02:27:53,">>48964862
Wanted to ask you. What do you think of this? I don't fully understand relativity but is this a solid argument?",,OuterLimits,051888eee68c2e2587346e8d70fe0e62245e4c-wm.jpg,UhsCE/vqT9cEOhYGYFkCcg==,US,,1438482473
48963546,48964973,2015-08-02 02:28:25,">>48964862
I never got really got that.
It's just prime mover argument but with some actual potential conversion metaphysics stuff instead of Newtonian physics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438482505
48963546,48965071,2015-08-02 02:31:07,">>48964908
So what? Youtube views and subscribers are no indication of what is accepted in the church. Both can come from any source, and it makes sense that the most inflammatory fringe beliefs would get more views for the sole reason of being crazy.
You would have a lot more credibility if you focused on what the Church at large agrees with, and not tinfoil hat youtubers.
Try taking down Tim Keller for instance.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438482667
48963546,48965243,2015-08-02 02:35:37,">>48964953
Interesting. 
So the idea is relativity. If you're going 20mph and another car is going 30mph then it will look like its relative speed is 10mph. This is why the earth seems like it is holding still to us, we're spinning with it at the same speed. 
However, light does not follow this. Light moves at the same speed regardless of your speed. It has a fixed speed, regardless of your relativity. 
Aaaand, I have no idea how this relates to the first mover. Something about intrinsic movement? I dunno",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438482937
48963546,48965557,2015-08-02 02:44:22,">>48965071
Mormons used to be a fringe group, now look at them. Even scientology went from nothing to worldwide in very little time",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438483462
48963546,48965577,2015-08-02 02:44:55,What do these threads accomplish besides never ending bickering and outlets for hate?,,Anonymous,jesus-christ-king-02052-400x288.jpg,14/yloFyBZ1hXEcIJbteFQ==,US,,1438483495
48963546,48965749,2015-08-02 02:49:32,">>48965577
Why are you a theist?",,Anonymous,1315781068251.jpg,94Msg6A6XkYdx3yd6tr0Tg==,US,,1438483772
48963546,48965883,2015-08-02 02:53:47,">>48965577
You mean like when Christians spam fedora pics and le autism copypastas?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438484027
48963546,48966014,2015-08-02 02:58:06,>>48965883,,Anonymous,1438409452667.png,FDiUCNoTU70YzQGs1Uqbzg==,US,,1438484286
48963546,48966359,2015-08-02 03:08:22,,,Anonymous,1437953938558.png,l4mSRtR5xlopEOTTDBBcJg==,US,,1438484902
48963546,48966465,2015-08-02 03:12:40,,,Anonymous,GallupNones.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1438485160
48963546,48966633,2015-08-02 03:18:22,,,Anonymous,sjSaL.png,oKxTq0b6RgbONASSjsLzxA==,US,,1438485502
48963546,48966677,2015-08-02 03:20:14,"Discussion question.
What patterns do you see with our reception on 4chan and the trend Christians are going?
I think most people that are neutral just get a kick out of watching us argue.
Christians have gotten way more nutty. They are talking about how the Jews secretly worship Satan are are conspiring against Jesus in their general. Catholics just seem to go on for dozens of pages talking about their metaphysics and rituals. They are closer to a cultural force than a religion sometimes.",,OuterLimits,HqZxgWz - Imgur.jpg,kaHoqorz6eYsoiRy+yozfQ==,US,,1438485614
48963546,48966801,2015-08-02 03:25:35,">>48966677
>Catholics just seem to go on for dozens of pages talking about their metaphysics and rituals. They are closer to a cultural force than a religion sometimes.
It's really just wolfy and some protestant guy playing the metaphysics card heavily. Most of the catholics are obsessed with their history, tradition, and culture though. They are truly a different breed from the protestants.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438485935
48963546,48966847,2015-08-02 03:27:36,">>48966677
>What patterns do you see with our reception on 4chan and the trend Christians are going?
I see an increase of atheists, less structure with Christians, and a large overall attitude change towards us. 
I'm glad we've mostly made it past the Fedora/reddit phase",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438486056
48963546,48966868,2015-08-02 03:28:13,Why do the elite worship lucifer then?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438486093
48963546,48966889,2015-08-02 03:29:11,">>48966868
He's stronger",,Anonymous,nsCwe.jpg,VHkdaWOpjT02KlF5b8v9EA==,US,,1438486151
48963546,48966906,2015-08-02 03:29:38,">>48966014
my dick",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438486178
48963546,48966970,2015-08-02 03:32:04,">>48966889
god's more powerful, he's just a jobber",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438486324
48963546,48967046,2015-08-02 03:35:13,">>48964341
Dealt with all that shit in college. You should see the form of apologetics some even resort to in order to avoid any discussion with any non believers called Presuppositional Apologetics which I had the 'privilege' of experiencing first hand thanks to one of my roommates in college(will elaborate on this if anyone's interested). I know we haven't settled the book of Job stuff but let's keep it out of here. I'm merely arguing from what I had came to agree would be the main and apropos interpretation of the said book. 
Will also share experiences with these Christians in college upon request. From what I can see, it will only get worse given how they are literally fueled by the rising tide of irreligion and the SJW shit. The CF in my college seems to make a heavy ""Us"" vs ""them"" dichotomy between Christians and non Christians(Catholics probably included here). Interestingly, one of the teachers actually said this when some political shit is going on,
""Make use of this opportunity to convert your non Christian countrymen to Christ. You wouldn't want to see them burn in Hell would you?""(not exactly those words but it's something along those lines)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438486513
48963546,48967123,2015-08-02 03:38:48,">>48963546
""Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.""
J. B. S. Haldane
""Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it."" Niels Bohr
We do not even understand consciousness and yet you contend that our conception of reality is accurate.
"" Every model of the universe has a hard swallow... a place where the argument cannot hide the fact that there’s something slightly fishy about it.
The hard swallow built into science is... the Big Bang.
...This is the notion that the universe, for no reason, sprang from nothing in a single instant.
Well, now before we dissect this, notice that this is the limit test for credulity.
Whether you believe this or not, notice that it is not possible to conceive of something more unlikely or less likely to be believed!
I mean, I defy anyone – it’s just the limit case for unlikelihood, that the universe would spring from nothing in a single instant, for no reason?!
I mean, if you believe that, my family has a bridge across the Hudson River that we’ll give you a lease option for five dollars!
It is in fact no different than saying, “And God said, let there be light”.
And what these philosophers of science are saying is, give us one free miracle, and we will roll from that point forward – from the birth of time to the crack of doom! – just one free miracle, and then it will all unravel according to natural law...
--Terence Mckenna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWv02kYyvo4 [Embed]
The Big Bang theory starts with the singularity at t=0 and the consequent expansion. It says nothing about where that singularity came from.
>It says nothing about where that singularity came from.
For those who postulate the ""god of the gap"" canard, that is one fucking massive gap 
I do not claim to know the origin of reality; I only claim that the ""Big Bang"" is a woefully inadequate explanation, akin to just glibly saying that ""God made it"".",,Anonymous,1433825276551 (1).jpg,vej5DZ8HWqJCfjLLriXx4A==,US,,1438486728
48963546,48967161,2015-08-02 03:40:26,">>48967123
>t=0
>singularity 
Lol, for someone that posts about the dangers of ignorance, you possess much of it yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438486826
48963546,48967202,2015-08-02 03:41:58,">>48967161
Please elaborate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438486918
48963546,48967203,2015-08-02 03:42:05,">>48967046
>Will also share experiences with these Christians in college upon request
Requesting. 
Also requesting the discussion of the book of Job doesn't stop",,Anonymous,1437593134439.png,cBZu0yGIQM5BriJiiaHzdA==,US,,1438486925
48963546,48967236,2015-08-02 03:43:19,">>48967202
It's not known if
>there was a singularity 
>singularities can even exist in light of quantum mechanics 
>there was a beginning of time",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438486999
48963546,48967254,2015-08-02 03:44:09,">>48967161
the distance a photon could have traveled since the beginning of the Big Bang at t=0 to some other time t0 is given by the horizon size 
http://www.superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo4a.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438487049
48963546,48967296,2015-08-02 03:45:33,">>48967236
Like I said in my post:
>I do not claim to know the origin of reality; I only claim that the ""Big Bang"" is a woefully inadequate explanation, akin to just glibly saying that ""God made it"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438487133
48963546,48967324,2015-08-02 03:46:41,">>48967296
Well, the big bang happened. Sorry if you don't like the early universe",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438487201
48963546,48967562,2015-08-02 03:56:33,">>48967324
>Well, the big bang happened.
It may very well have happened. It is still a woefully inadequate explanation of ""why something rather than nothing"". It has no explanatory power as to why the singularity ever existed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438487793
48963546,48967576,2015-08-02 03:57:10,"I love the mysteries we deal with. Much better than Christians pondering the mystery of why God uses human sacrifice to forgive sins. 
We ponder why we even exist. Why is there something rather than nothing? Why are there laws of nature? Why three dimensions? Why dimensions? Is it a simulation? Who runs that? Why is the universe so weird and unintuitive, and why can we even ponder this fact? >>48967324",,Anonymous,M101_hires_STScI-PRC2006-10a.jpg,uir01DPDmbIfOLL5ndl01g==,US,,1438487830
48963546,48967607,2015-08-02 03:58:44,">>48967562
Maybe there is nothing, and we got nothing from nothing. But the nothing is all spread out in positives and negatives so it looks like something",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438487924
48963546,48967609,2015-08-02 03:58:49,">>48967562
It literally doesn't even try to explain that.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438487929
48963546,48967620,2015-08-02 03:59:15,">>48963546
you are the scum of the earth",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438487955
48963546,48967675,2015-08-02 04:01:38,">God said 'Let there be Light! And there was light'
>The early universe from 10 seconds to 380,000 years was literally nothing but light energy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_epoch",,Anonymous,Shredding Intensifies.jpg,fyBSTuRkdV3UAZ6nxwHL2Q==,AU,,1438488098
48963546,48967698,2015-08-02 04:02:39,">>48963546
Why are atheist afraid to criticize islam?
Is it because they'll end up like this guy?",,Anonymous,theo_van_gogh_murdered_by_religion_of_peace.jpg,pvmaQT/1opyq7IbYRoGm4w==,US,,1438488159
48963546,48967714,2015-08-02 04:03:23,">>48967203
Continue the Book of Job shit if you want. Just keep it contained at Christian General. 
Anyways before I start I just want to say that while my college is a Christian college, it's for some reason one of the best Colleges to go to which is why my mother put me there(since she's afraid of me getting into degenerate shit). 
Here's one about my college's Orientation Camp,
Overall there are fun moments in that camp but there's always one thing that disturbs me the most, the sex ed talks and workshop that seems to be the main focus of the camp. 
The workshop also known as ""No Apologies"" in a nutshell is basically a lameass workshop asking teenagers not to go around having sex until they get married. 
Funny and irrational moments from the workshop includes,
>""A condom is not 100% save. You can still hit the jackpot""
>A lame advert on how an STDs(I forgot the name at this point) could be prevented by simply wearing pants
>Lame rant about the sexualization of the media and analysis of certain song lyrics and commercials(it's getting to muh feminism at this part given how instructors focus upon how the object of focus is always a woman)
>Lame game about having to go around pouring a bit of water from my cup onto the cup of others who would do the same. The game is meant to illustrate how easy it is to get STDs. Kinda lame
>A boring vid about how sex is wrong ala TV sitcom 
>Fapping is wrong and the more you do it, the more likely you are going to become a rapist
The whole workshop is simply so boring that I will often try to screw things up by, not playing the game properly and doing the equivalent of shitposting whenever instructors would ask me questions. Suffice to say, my group was scolded by one of the facilitators on the last day because of my actions which I didn't regret given how stupid and useless the workshop is. 
If anyone's interested here's their website: http://family.org.my/focus-programs/programs-youth/1680-no-apologiesr.html",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438488203
48963546,48967746,2015-08-02 04:04:45,">>48967675
Yeah, but before that God was hanging out by some water. So nice try.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438488285
48963546,48967911,2015-08-02 04:11:48,">>48967607
>and we got nothing from nothing
Wut? Really, wut?
You should consider starting a religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438488708
48963546,48967915,2015-08-02 04:11:57,">>48967714
Humans think about sex a lot. They feel it a lot. It's an important thing to us culturally and biologically. 
I can definitely see why the church would want to wedge itself right between you and your sexuality. It makes the church a bigger part of your life. 
I swear, religion evolved by natural selection. Only the ones that are best for psychological control survived.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438488717
48963546,48967952,2015-08-02 04:13:22,">>48967911
https://youtu.be/j_M1g3G9SIs",,Anonymous,paradox_design_02_preview_featured.jpg,vZ6m891aY27f4AaNKtxlwA==,US,,1438488802
48963546,48968099,2015-08-02 04:20:27,">>48966889
Satan is not lucifer,he was for a brief moment at the beginning of time ;) 
I could explain in detail but im pretty tired right now",,Anonymous,image.jpg,p5NLH0QcgyK/5J1T7Us+8g==,CA,,1438489227
48963546,48968126,2015-08-02 04:21:21,">>48967046
I'd much rather talk about /x/ Christians than Job.
Now that I think it will be fucking great having them populate the board. Can't wait for 50 page discussions about whether the Greys are working with or against Satan.
>>48967203
I hate talking old testament. It's too easy. If you want to wreck the old testament just watch a youtube series called atheist bible study. There's basically something wrong with every 3rd sentence in the old testament.
Ethics debates are where it's at. I can lose ethics debates so it's actually a challenge. Also that's the future of atheism discussion.
>>48967675
come on, read genesis. He's describing the fucking sun. And he already made water before the 'light' (or the water is as old as God, depending on how you read it). This is why OT discussion sucks, its too easy.
>>48967698
Find me an Allah Akbar general and I'll form a Christian Fedora alliance",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438489281
48963546,48968140,2015-08-02 04:21:52,"Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks, but now it's homosexual. 
Meanings of words change, and I am an agnostic, which means I do not believe and I do not disbelieve god. 
There are many things in the universe that we have answers for and many that we do not. To believe in something that we have no factual evidence of to me is simply delusion, to disbelieve with the many mysterious and unexplained things we have in the universe is simply arrogant. 
Is god real? Maybe. We won't know until we bite it, and it does us no good arguing who is right and who is wrong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438489312
48963546,48968163,2015-08-02 04:22:49,">>48967915
Well perhaps so. Catholics for example especially here would view sex as something that is merely for procreation. 
Whatever it is, I'm thankful that everyone in my dorm goes to Church on Sundays. That give me the perfect time of privacy to fap since I would(I was a nominal Catholic then) go to Church on Saturday and then on Sunday morning when everyone's out, fap all I want :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438489369
48963546,48968186,2015-08-02 04:23:38,">>48967952
This video is sophistry at its best. A flat universe having 0 net energy still does not explain why we have something rather than nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438489418
48963546,48968203,2015-08-02 04:24:15,">>48968126
>>48955399",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438489455
48963546,48968293,2015-08-02 04:28:13,">>48968126
Fr Seraphim Rose who is an Orthodox and former gay would actually say that the Greys or any aliens are the agents of Satan himself. Fortunately this isn't the popular or main stance of Orthodoxy though one might perhaps find this quite a lot in Fundie /x/ tier circles.
Also, is it wrong that I enjoy arguing with you?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438489693
48963546,48968295,2015-08-02 04:28:19,">>48968186
Zero isn't something. 
>>48968163
Lol, pic related 
>>48968126
>Ethics debates are where it's at. I can lose ethics debates so it's actually a challenge. Also that's the future of atheism discussion.
I've already figured out my ethics, and described them in the secular humanism paste. So it isn't that interesting to me",,Anonymous,1433741927349.jpg,lM+eWhdX1eeAB1q3qnIyFg==,US,,1438489699
48963546,48968305,2015-08-02 04:28:30,">>48968163
>Well perhaps so. Catholics for example especially here would view sex as something that is merely for procreation.
but it is...
Genitalia would not have evolved except for the purpose of reproduction (Allogamy). Reproduction is the only reason why we evolved to have genitalia.
Homosexuality does not offer any survival advantage or benefit to society by increasing its numbers.
The evolutionary purpose of monogamous heterosexual relationships and our natural development of marriage as a human institution is to ensure the survival of the species.
We no longer remember that the only reason that we have the institution of marriage,is the same reason why we evolved to have genitalia: for procreation.
Would you have evolved to have a penis, but for reproduction? No. We evolved to have genitalia for the purpose of reproduction. 
If we did not need to reproduce, we would have no genitalia.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438489710
48963546,48968336,2015-08-02 04:29:37,">>48968295
>Zero isn't something.
Yes, I know. What is your point?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438489777
48963546,48968389,2015-08-02 04:31:24,">>48968305
Keyword here is ""merely"". Of course sex is used for procreation, but it had many other uses as well. 
Saying our genitalia has a specific purpose is like saying your hand has a specific purpose 
>>48968336
Nothing from nothing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438489884
48963546,48968436,2015-08-02 04:33:37,">>48968305
>Homosexuslity does not add any survival benefit.
A lot of scientists would argue to the contrary. It is believed that Homosexuslity evolved not only to increase male bonding but also as a way of having males to help support others' children.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490017
48963546,48968464,2015-08-02 04:34:35,">>48963546
sage, Atheism posts are JIDF and reddit summer fags",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490075
48963546,48968485,2015-08-02 04:35:14,">>48963546
I'm a christian. Does that anger you fedora?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490114
48963546,48968536,2015-08-02 04:37:15,">>48968389
>Keyword here is ""merely"". Of course sex is used for procreation, but it had many other uses as well. 
>Saying our genitalia has a specific purpose is like saying your hand has a specific purpose
Bottom line is that we would not have evolved to have genitalia except for the need to reproduce. Genitalia evolved for the function of reproduction, period, paragraph.
>Nothing from nothing
So you are saying that our reality does not exist? Or, did you mean to say, ""something from nothing""?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490235
48963546,48968573,2015-08-02 04:38:59,">>48968293
You are my favorite person on this board Malaysia-chan.
You know I'm tempted to take off the trip and try to make the Christians MORE crazy. Like promoting this alien stuff. I don't know if it would be a good idea or bad idea.
>>48968203
>>48968346
I know almost nothing about Islam other than Jews piss them off and their history has been downhill since the Moors.
>>48968295
Biblical literalism is going to die. The Catholics already figured this out and are doing what's smart. The Protestants refuse and are justifying Noah's flood by saying that the earth is flat, which is just going to lower their head count.
So the Catholics will survive and they will push Christianity for ethics reasons. Atheists will either agree with Christian ethics and stop argueing or disagree and learn to debate ethics. It's already happening.
>Genitalia would not have evolved except for the purpose of reproduction
It evolved, we do whatever the fuck we want with it. My fingers were not evolved to type on a keyboard but I do it anyway.
>Homosexuality does not offer any survival advantage or benefit to society by increasing its numbers.
Neither does Contra Shattered Solider.
>The evolutionary purpose of monogamous heterosexual relationships 
This is a social invention. A child could be raised by a tribe, a man could have several wives, a woman has an evolutionary advantage to have children with multiple men.
>institution of marriage: procreation
Marriage was a way for the aristocratic elite to legally form alliances and distribute their resources.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438490339
48963546,48968616,2015-08-02 04:40:38,">>48968305
Yeah I get that. We also have sex to express our love for each other or for enjoyment as well rather than to merely procreate.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438490438
48963546,48968632,2015-08-02 04:41:21,">>48968485
Depends what flavor.
Catholics can be interesting.
Protestants are usually dumb asses.
If you believe Satan is working with the aliens than I want to see you evangelize.
Cultural Christians or whatever the hell Malaysia is are the best.
There's also a 5th type of Christian who learns about the religion through anime.",,OuterLimits,DreamHunterREMrem_sd.jpg,Ibr2Lr9lnZteLelQOBVt1g==,US,,1438490481
48963546,48968677,2015-08-02 04:43:20,">>48968436
We would not have evolved to even have genitalia unless we needed to reproduce. 
What is so hard about this to understand?
 You would not evolved to have a dick if we did not require a male and female to reproduce as a species 
You would have no need for a dick, nor would you have evolved to have a dick, except that it is our method of reproduction. 
You can use a gun barrel to punch holes in a wall. That does not mean that it is the reason that a gun barrel exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490600
48963546,48968721,2015-08-02 04:45:11,Can any of you give me a reasonable explication on why the apparition of these threads has been so conveniently timed with the Pao shitstorm at reddit?,,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438490711
48963546,48968739,2015-08-02 04:45:39,">>48968536
>Genitalia evolved for the function of reproduction, period, paragraph.
So wrong, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavior_in_animals
Turns out sex is multi-purpose, just like hands.
>So you are saying that our reality does not exist? Or, did you mean to say, ""something from nothing""?
I'm just saying all the stuff in the universe contributes negatively and positively to the energy in it, and summed together it is zero. Like 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ... 1 - 1 = 0
The 1's look like a lot of ""stuff"", but really it is just nothing.
>>48968464
Sage isn't a downvote, newfriend. Do you wish to discuss something?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490739
48963546,48968740,2015-08-02 04:45:49,">>48968616
>We also have sex to express our love for each other or for enjoyment as well
No, we evolved to have genitalia for procreation. We evolved to have pleasure associated with intercourse to incentive intercourse and ensure the survival of our species.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490749
48963546,48968783,2015-08-02 04:47:33,">>48968721
Dodging my question. Noice.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438490853
48963546,48968786,2015-08-02 04:47:55,">>48968739
>The 1's look like a lot of ""stuff"", but really it is just nothing.
so, nothing exists and we are all just nothing having a collective hallucination about something?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490875
48963546,48968800,2015-08-02 04:48:34,">>48968573
Y-you too Tsun Chan. I luv u :3
Why not try asking them about the alien stuff or how Obama is the Anti Christ at Christian General. It's quite fun to read the stuff fundies spew out sometimes.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,1430598308830.jpg,cpKCODmub9e3okV+ZuvDFg==,MY,,1438490914
48963546,48968832,2015-08-02 04:49:58,">>48968739
So you are saying that genitalia would have evolved even if our species had no need to reproduce?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438490998
48963546,48968845,2015-08-02 04:50:33,">>48968721
Hi, I'm the guy that has been making these threads.
It started sometime, I dunno, 2 or 3 months ago. I wandered from /g/ and /sci/ to /pol/ and noticed a bunch of Christian and Catholic generals. I tried some discussion with them, but was pretty much overwhelmed by the ""red-pilled"" hoards and pictures of fedoras.
So, after getting sick of the non-conversation that was happening, I started making these threads. It has nothing to do with rabbit, or their SJW chairwoman.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438491033
48963546,48968868,2015-08-02 04:51:20,">>48968845
You sound like a supreme gentleman.
I'm glad you fucked off from /tg/, though.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438491080
48963546,48968869,2015-08-02 04:51:24,">>48968832
Reproduction existed long before genitalia",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438491084
48963546,48968895,2015-08-02 04:52:54,">>48968740
Yes from an Evolutionary standpoint you might be right. 
However again, I'm referring to the intentions of human beings when they engage in the act of sex. Heck even animals like the bonobo have sex for reasons other than procreation. They do it as a way to bond with each other in the group just as a guy and grill would do as well.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438491174
48963546,48968910,2015-08-02 04:53:33,Atheists are just bunch of faggots in fedoras for sure. All of them are autistic either. Such cases,,Anonymous,,,RU,,1438491213
48963546,48968930,2015-08-02 04:54:57,">>48968786
You don't need to hallucinate to see a 1",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438491297
48963546,48968958,2015-08-02 04:56:01,>>48968910,,Anonymous,tips fedora.png,+zu+g+k2tMPVjHQUnkCasw==,FI,,1438491361
48963546,48968969,2015-08-02 04:56:30,">>48968869
For fucks sake will you just answer the question. 
I specifically stated in >>48968305
that I was referring to Allogamy...you know...how humans reproduce.
Are you actually suggesting that we would have evolved to even have genitalia if we, did not need to reproduce?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438491390
48963546,48968972,2015-08-02 04:56:34,">>48963546
ok, a bit of explanation to the OP's picture. He wants to save you from what YOU are going to do to your self. You have free will so you can choose Him or the devil. He tells you that chosing devil will make you to live with him forever and that's going to hurt because he (the devil) hates you and you are going to be separated from God. He's like a father to child. He knows what's better for you even if you don't uderstand it. Everybody who abandoned him are going straight into devils claws. you have been warned.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1438491394
48963546,48968989,2015-08-02 04:57:27,">>48968845
All genuine questions in the Christian threads are answered in good faith. You either tried some stupid 'gotcha' bullshit that we're all tired of, or just didn't like the answers you were given. Unfortunately the majority of atheists are more interested in playing logical ring around the rosie and hoping they trip someone up than actually learning more about our religion, which is why they are dismissed.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438491447
48963546,48969045,2015-08-02 05:00:12,">>48968389
You are just being dense. Yes the hand and the dick can be used for many purposes, but the dick evolved into existence for the reproduction of our species. 
Are you being dense on purpose? You would not have evolved to have a dick if we did not reproduce in this manner.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438491612
48963546,48969053,2015-08-02 05:00:41,">>48968969
Actually, all things have evolved to reproduce more effectively. Every part of you is designed to better your chances at reproduction. Your hands primary biological purpose is sex. Same with your brain. Your toes. Your neck. Everything on you, not just your dick. 
However, even though we have evolved from nasty, nasty, NASTY natural selection, we don't have to use it as a guide on how to use our bodies. Animals have been observed to engage in sex for social interaction, demonstration of dominance, aggression relief, exchange for significant materials, and sexual stimulation. Observed non-procreative sexual activities include non-copulatory mounting (without penetration, or by the female), oral sex, genital stimulation, anal stimulation, interspecies mating, and acts of affection.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438491641
48963546,48969106,2015-08-02 05:03:56,">>48963546
Atheists go a long way to explain themselves.
Insecurity is an ugly thing.",,Anonymous,athiest2.jpg,UMhinE9SMQiM7DagPoUqgQ==,US,,1438491836
48963546,48969130,2015-08-02 05:04:57,">>48968972
1. You forgot the concept of punishment. God punishes those who part from his ways.
2. If there was no such punishment, following Satan wouldn't be inherently bad or condemnable. It would just be a choice among others. But the fact that God reprimands Satanist is precisely what makes it haram.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1438491897
48963546,48969160,2015-08-02 05:06:08,">>48969053
>hands
More like food and survival. Which can de distantly related to having more sex.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1438491968
48963546,48969181,2015-08-02 05:07:29,">>48969053
>not just your dick.
The dick alone in the male generative organ, however...hence ""genitalia"". It would simply not have evolved to exist except for reproduction. Hang dry wall with your dick if you like, but you would not have evolved to have a dick if we did not reproduce in the manner that we do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438492049
48963546,48969188,2015-08-02 05:07:36,">>48968783
OH LOOOK BABY IS CRAVING SOME ATTENTION HOW CUTE",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1438492056
48963546,48969196,2015-08-02 05:07:50,">>48969106
jesus fuck",,Anonymous,1437262143730.png,jIqZYhu+2lJ7NFmwcJfpWA==,US,,1438492070
48963546,48969297,2015-08-02 05:13:14,">>48969181
Where did sin come from?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438492394
48963546,48969354,2015-08-02 05:15:29,>>48969106,,Anonymous,bumper-sticker-piety.jpg,ygiGuCzAU5lPeixKPCVqEg==,CH,,1438492529
48963546,48969358,2015-08-02 05:15:37,">>48969297
I never said anything about sin. I was merely stating the obvious: why human beings evolved to have genitalia. What are you on about?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438492537
48963546,48969379,2015-08-02 05:16:41,">>48969358
I'm bored of talking about dicks. Let's talk about sin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438492601
48963546,48969385,2015-08-02 05:17:03,">>48969130
>1. You forgot the concept of punishment. God punishes those who part from his ways.
Idiotic. Typical atheist 'thinking'.
If that were so, almost everyone alive would be punished.
>2. If there was no such punishment, following Satan wouldn't be inherently bad or condemnable. 
Because to you, eternal torture is fine, right?
>It would just be a choice among others. But the fact that God reprimands Satanist is precisely what makes it haram.
The NT defines Satan as evil, bringer of darkness, pain and death. So you're wrong, again.
If you knew anything about the subject you're an 'expert' in, you'd distinguish between Old and New Testaments, not even mentioning the vast differences in Christianity.",,Anonymous,atheist (3).jpg,ZUL1eHAZvBNELo+5igJGRQ==,US,,1438492623
48963546,48969394,2015-08-02 05:17:32,">>48968972
I remember a lot of the robber analogy that was posted before as a response to this type of argument for Christianity namely the use of Free Will. YT Cartoonists Darkmatter actually covered this and it made sense. 
Now perhaps you might say: ""Oh we don't understand and God knows better""
Ok fair enough so similarly the robber would know better and we wouldn't understand his motives for threatening us at gunpoint and submitting to him. The problem is still there. The only way to bypass this is to actually view sin differently rather than assuming it to be unethical actions contrary to the commandments of God. The EOs and OOs got things right here by completely altering the view of Hell and being quite open to the idea of Universal Reconciliation(expressed more as a hope rather than actual state of affairs however). EOs pray for those in Hell. Hell simply becomes the state of degeneracy which in God's presence results in suffering. Thus Jesus knocking on the door is kinda like someone warning you that your house is on fire and asking you to open the door and GTFO.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438492652
48963546,48969405,2015-08-02 05:18:09,">>48969354
Loser.",,Anonymous,athiest.jpg,dR9vEgZ64jwPExwVz5VI8A==,US,,1438492689
48963546,48969440,2015-08-02 05:19:42,">>48969379
Ok, what does ""sin"" mean to you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438492782
48963546,48969503,2015-08-02 05:22:07,">>48969440
Nothing. It's something I hear Christians mention. Where did it come from?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438492927
48963546,48969533,2015-08-02 05:23:14,">>48969385
>Edgy license plate 
>Edgy atheist stickers
>MLP 
>Planet fitness (I'm on the other side of the world and I know it's the worst)
allmyfriendsareonlinefriends.jpg",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1438492994
48963546,48969640,2015-08-02 05:28:00,">>48969106
>>48969385
Holy fuck. Why does in America being retarded autist is a reason for pride",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1438493280
48963546,48969646,2015-08-02 05:28:22,">>48969503
>Nothing. It's something I hear Christians mention. Where did it come from?
'Sin' is the causing of harm.
Murder causes harm. 
>i don't understand!1!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438493302
48963546,48969698,2015-08-02 05:30:52,">>48969640
I don't doubt it confuses you. It confuses most of the world.
It's called 'freedom'. We're free to be autistic if we choose.
I can also mock my leader. Let's see you try that.",,Anonymous,cocksocker.jpg,D6Bbrek/hemBwvCsrs/z1Q==,US,,1438493452
48963546,48969728,2015-08-02 05:31:57,">>48969394
The concept of sin is kind of a joke. It basically means God cannot be all powerful. Have you seen the anime Madoka? Why doesn't God just do that? Make it so the 'sin' doesn't even exist on a conceptual level.
This is the trouble with an powerful being, they can re-write the rules. If there is a rule that says 'you must have free will for sin to be valid' God can simply rewrite the rules. Think of it this way. The universe is a computer program, God is the programmer. Any rules in the game like sin, morality, free will are all codes he wrote. He can make them interact in anyway he wants. In other words God could literally prevent evil without breaking any rules. If there is a paradox he can write in new codes that resolve the paradox. If God cannot do what I am describing he isn't all powerful.
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Also Malaysia, the reason I said that link you wrote is unscholarly is because it has no sense of history. It is trying to analyze Job (which i think might be the oldest book in the bible historically) using theology that was not made until at least the year 200. ""The problem of evil"" did not exist in the time the Jews wrote the book of Job.
This is not how you analyze historical text, you have to do it from culture of the people that actually wrote it. It's like writing about Norse mythology and trying to explain as though the ancient Europeans were writing about the Marvel universe. Just like the problem of evil is foreign to the Book of Job, the Captain America tie in is foreign to Norse mythology.
If that is actually how theologians interpret Job than you have convinced me that the entire field is a joke.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438493517
48963546,48969767,2015-08-02 05:33:24,">>48969646
What are some other things considered harmful? Masturbation? Thinking other gods exist? How?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438493604
48963546,48969850,2015-08-02 05:38:04,">>48969728
>Why doesn't God just do that?
I stopped there, as any knowledgeable person should have.
It's called 'free will'. It's explained many times in the Bible.
You know, the Bible? That thing you're against even though you have no clue what's in it?",,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,jOUdXK5VRjZ34luZBOAFSQ==,US,,1438493884
48963546,48969898,2015-08-02 05:39:46,">>48969850
I discussed the concept of free will in my post and how it isn't a valid argument.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438493986
48963546,48969956,2015-08-02 05:41:57,">>48969767
>What are some other things considered harmful? Masturbation? 
That was never considered a sin. It's based on the brother of Aaron. 
Preachers picked up on it and ran. Preachers are humans, and part of the human society they live in. 
>Thinking other gods exist? How?
The Canaanites worshiped Moloch by throwing live babies in furnaces. Most ancients gods had self-hurtful practices like that. The Ten Commandments were all positive things, lessons for living in a civilized culture that we follow today.",,Anonymous,bible-jacob.jpg,PAtzcFNL7h+7G+xqC/b3uA==,US,,1438494117
48963546,48969978,2015-08-02 05:42:37,">>48969728
Well depends on your perspective on it I guess. But you do raise some good points here. Honestly ironically I can't even grasp how someone created to be the best angel aka Lucifer could rebel against God. He should given his very high level of intelligence know that doing that is virtually impossible. I think this is one of Christianity's greatest weaknesses. The guy that come closest to solving this problem is probably Origen where people or souls rebel against God since they are...bored. 
While it's true that God literally writes all the rules, perhaps it is important to understand that the Created order is also 'free' in some sense to express itself. Typically the West seems to think that Creation itself is pretty much...passive and mechanical in contrast to being dynamic. I would argue as with Plantinga that God allowed sin as in the Original Sin to occur out of his respect for the dignity of his creatures and allow genuinely free choices to be made. This is probably the best defense I can give and think off. Using compatabilistic Free Will in the light of the Divine will simply not work and provide genuine freedom and autonomy. Yes these are rules God placed into the system but he grants the system autonomy and freedom. This only seems to solve the Original Sin part of the equation though not the Satan part.
--------------
I promised that I would leave all the stuff about Job contained in Christian General. You get the last say here as a token of my love and devotion to you.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438494157
48963546,48969987,2015-08-02 05:43:07,">>48969956
So worshipping other gods is fine as long as you don't sacrifice babies or shit like that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494187
48963546,48969996,2015-08-02 05:43:22,">>48969898
>free will in my post and how it isn't a valid argument.
Then it isn't a religious discussion.
It's just you mentally masturbating.",,Anonymous,1432967184991.jpg,LzQvKKv+noVRhN4CAln2Yw==,US,,1438494202
48963546,48970004,2015-08-02 05:43:51,">>48969728
The problem is you're assuming that you can somehow use logic to gain the insight God does. You're also saying that God could make a universe without sin but don't offer up any ideas about what that universe would actually be like. If he could have done that, but didn't, isn't it better to defer to the wisdom of the infinite and omniscient being instead of second guessing him when you clearly don't have the ability to comprehend what such changes would mean?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438494231
48963546,48970022,2015-08-02 05:44:49,">>48969767
Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
Do not do unto others what you would not want done unto you.
Do not do unto yourself what you do not desire.
Do unto yourself only that which you desire.
All else is ""sin"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494289
48963546,48970064,2015-08-02 05:46:25,">>48970022
So where does sin come from?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494385
48963546,48970079,2015-08-02 05:46:55,">>48969987
Religion is supposed to help. The OT God helped everyday life. 
The Ten Commandments are a good example. Another is the kosher food laws, in that prohibited animals are now known to be disease vectors.
In fact, all of the Jewish 'clean' laws are now known to be science-based. How'd they know that thousands of years ago?",,Anonymous,ass.jpg,xBCOaAtl8uvPwAVuYAbHPw==,US,,1438494415
48963546,48970083,2015-08-02 05:47:08,">>48969385
>>48969385
>idiotic
So are you saying that God doesn't punish? What a great news you guys, religion is now useless because sinning is possible with literally no consequences at all.
>eternal torture
Inflicted by whom? I thought you said there was no punishment?
> pain and death
Don't you think that following and paying allegiance to him would be a great idea to avoid these sort of things.
>vast differences
Yeah sorry there's just so much religions around, it's hard to follow.",,Anonymous,1355646149_8339_Westboro-Baptist-Church.jpg,MVlrnMLOfoIClrJzsp2DHw==,CH,,1438494428
48963546,48970115,2015-08-02 05:48:05,">>48970022
>>48970064
'Sin' is 'harm'.
Don't complicate things.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494485
48963546,48970122,2015-08-02 05:48:21,">>48970079
Citation needed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494501
48963546,48970123,2015-08-02 05:48:29,"i cant help but think OP's pic is a schizophrenics worst nightmare.
...",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438494509
48963546,48970140,2015-08-02 05:49:32,">>48970064
Given >>48970022 from volitional actions that are contrary to those commands he listed. 
I think if I'm a qt grill, I want a random guy to have sex with me, therefore, when I see a qt grill and have sex with her with or without her consent, I'm doing upon others as I would have want others to do to me. :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438494572
48963546,48970144,2015-08-02 05:49:44,">>48970079
>In fact, all of the Jewish 'clean' laws are now known to be science-based. How'd they know that thousands of years ago?
even if this were true
>what is trial and error",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438494584
48963546,48970151,2015-08-02 05:49:50,">science-based
You mean the one that say we can't eat dairy during 2/3/6 hours after a meat meal? Totally science based bruh.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1438494590
48963546,48970156,2015-08-02 05:50:00,">>48970083
You took little snippets out of context.
That's a typical atheist tactic, but isn't helpful.",,Anonymous,1426600411736.jpg,ZWUXdUu5jo0aOS08UxYA8Q==,US,,1438494600
48963546,48970187,2015-08-02 05:51:12,">Atheism General
what exactly do you mean by this OP
>no religions of any kind
>no theism
>no supernatural bullshit
>all of the above
?
because ""Atheism"" is a pretty broad tent at the best of times",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438494672
48963546,48970190,2015-08-02 05:51:18,">>48969996
>>48970004
Let me explain it evenly simplier.
Unlimited power means he can do ANYTHING. That includes violating causality.
""god cannot do x because it would violate free will"" This cannot be a valid statement because God can simple do x without violating free will. Because he isn't bound by the laws of causality.
'can do anything' leads to a lot of stupid plot holes like this.
You could say 'god can do anything but only if it fits with the natural world'. But than you have suddenly limit God and it means everything God can do we can do, because we are also part of the natural world. We simply need the right technology to access whatever natural process God uses.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438494678
48963546,48970201,2015-08-02 05:51:56,">>48970022
And what if you're a psychopath who enjoys harming himself? Do you get to harm others?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438494716
48963546,48970207,2015-08-02 05:52:04,">>48970122
>Citation needed
Biology 101.
Start with looking up 'pork' in Wikipedia.",,Anonymous,BjdYi.jpg,zzsaNE9jrdRN6Lfl8etc4g==,US,,1438494724
48963546,48970212,2015-08-02 05:52:06,">>48970187
Read OP FAQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494726
48963546,48970233,2015-08-02 05:53:09,">>48970207
Why did Christians start eating pork? Does this mean Jews are the one true religion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494789
48963546,48970256,2015-08-02 05:54:06,">>48970190
Omipotence can mean doing all that is logically possible thus validating the free will defenses. Use foreknowledge and free will issues to invalidate the free will part.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438494846
48963546,48970263,2015-08-02 05:54:30,">>48970144
>>In fact, all of the Jewish 'clean' laws are now known to be science-based. How'd they know that thousands of years ago?
>even if this were true
It is.
>>what is trial and error
Name another society with such extensive knowledge of parasites and germ theory, and the means to record them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438494870
48963546,48970268,2015-08-02 05:54:43,">>48970156
>you're taking things out of context
>rape episodes in the bible? Out of context!
>genocides in the bible? Out of context!
>fucking your wife's servant? Out of context!
>fucking your dead soldiers' wifes? Out of context!
>slavery in the bible? Out of context!
>racism in the bible? Out of context!
>God changing his mind and making mistakes? Out of context!
Great argumentation method you guys",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1438494883
48963546,48970290,2015-08-02 05:56:01,">>48970151
>You mean the one that say we can't eat dairy during 2/3/6 hours after a meat meal? Totally science based bruh.
It is, bra.
We now know that calcium interferes with iron intake during digestion.
Awesome, ain't it?",,Anonymous,godiswatching.jpg,bpDKiXisZ9DBwFxqw7P1sg==,US,,1438494961
48963546,48970297,2015-08-02 05:56:15,">>48970212
oh shit my bad, skipped to the bottom too fast
>There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
might I recommend 
>Robert Anton Wilson 
>Discordianism 
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
>Kurt Vonnegut
>Cats Cradle/Bokononism
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokononism",,Anonymous,raw.jpg,ca1x7JmGHh9/z3p8z//lgQ==,GB,,1438494975
48963546,48970351,2015-08-02 05:58:36,">>48970190
You might as well ask 'Can God create a boulder so heavy even He can't lift it?' same concept. It reinforces that God the Father is unknowable to us, we simply can't comprehend Him or the limits, if there are any, to his powers. We know that He created the universe and maintains absolute control over it, so to us, who live within the universe which is all that we know, yes he is 'All Powerful'. Going into philosophical sophistry is pointless because what lies outside our universe is unknowable as God himself.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438495116
48963546,48970371,2015-08-02 05:59:35,">>48970079
Cleanliness laws are pretty common in the old world.
If 5 Jews died from eating pork it doesn't take a genius to figure out Jews should not eat pork.
>>48970064
Sin I don't think was ever thought of as a physical or metaphysical thing. It was simple a big list of 'no's and God takes note every time you do one. Perhaps if you reach over a certain score than he will do something, maybe he accounts for your environment too.
Although it does sort of make the crucifixion strange. The Crucifixion is a metaphoric act. Jesus doesn't actually sacrifice anything, he resurrects himself and than goes to heaven where all his friends are.
I never understood the crucifix when I was a Christian boy. I thought Jesus's sacrifice was meaningless if he didn't stay dead, never told parents that though.
>>48970187
We don't believe in Gods (check our basics bin)
Almost all of us do not believe in supernatural from what I've seen.
Because religion is such a broad term we can't be against all of them. It's mostly just against Christianity and Islam really. The other religions are too small in their population for us to care.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438495175
48963546,48970379,2015-08-02 05:59:48,">>48970064
""Sin"" is a human concept, as far as I can tell. That only makes it more real, not less. 
""for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.""...etc., etc. Shakespeare, Hamlet
Objectively, the universe is probably amoral.
As human artifacts of the universe, however, we can exhibit functional and dysfunctional personal and social behaviors.
There are certain behaviors which promote a cohesive, productive, responsible and generally happy population and society.
There are also behaviors which promote divisiveness, indolence, and anguish within society.
It is the same with an individual.
There may be no moral absolutes. It is a matter of means and ends. If you desire a productive, coherent, and content society or self, certain behaviors will be encouraged and necessary.
If you desire dissolution and decay, other behaviors will be encouraged.
We are in the twilight of our civilization. Traditional vice has overtaken traditional virtue. Traditional virtue is such, precisely because it fosters a healthy society and is more likely to produce mentally and physically healthy individuals and stable family units resulting in a more robust civilization.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438495188
48963546,48970389,2015-08-02 06:00:27,">>48970263
you have no evidence that they knew of germ theory, you simply have evidence that they knew not to eat certain things and how to prepare food in certain ways
that doesn't imply revealed religious knowledge, people knew thousands of years ago that they would get sunburned on hot days doesn't mean that they knew what melanin was or what UV radiation was or what was even going on
the guy who discovered that by washing their hands between the morgue and the maternity ward, surgeons drastically reduced infant death didn't have a message from God that told him so, he stumbled upon it, had a eureka moment and passed the knowledge along
not exactly complicated to understand how all this can easily come about in a non religious context",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438495227
48963546,48970391,2015-08-02 06:00:28,Daily reminder that this infograph still stumps athiests.,,Anonymous,1436613510354.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,AU,,1438495228
48963546,48970435,2015-08-02 06:02:04,">>48970391
Not really, since nothing Aquinas wrote is testable or falsifiable",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438495324
48963546,48970444,2015-08-02 06:02:22,">>48970190
Bullshit.
Name a 'miracle' that is universally accepted, like the sun rising in the morning.
They don't exist, because it appears that God follows the laws He laid out.
Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Willfully ignorant.",,Anonymous,1412027573357.jpg,mRSlDjmP4MHQyVIIhbsTXA==,US,,1438495342
48963546,48970449,2015-08-02 06:02:39,">>48970256
What is 'logically possible'? That's a pretty broad term.
I'd argue any type of miracle is not logical.
>>48970351
It's not pointless. If God's power are bound by natural laws it literally means anything he can do we can eventually do. If there is a natural way to create a universe, to resurrect the dead, and so on we could figure it out. And why wouldn't we want to?
If he is not bound by natural laws you have some sort of Cthulu demon that can break causality and saying 'god can't do x because y' is not a valid arguement.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438495359
48963546,48970465,2015-08-02 06:03:06,">>48970391
>me 
>bothering to read all that
give us the abridged version I'm a busy man
if it is some mangled infographic based version of Aquinas then lol no",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438495386
48963546,48970483,2015-08-02 06:03:54,">>48970201
That guy's retarded explanation is getting a lot of retarded replies.
'Sin' = harm. Simple.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438495434
48963546,48970494,2015-08-02 06:04:22,">>48970449
>I'd argue any type of miracle is not logical.
pretty much yeh
depends on your definition of a miracle but if it is something that defies a law of nature then it is logically impossible by definition",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438495462
48963546,48970511,2015-08-02 06:05:13,">>48970022
>Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
t. Confucius",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438495513
48963546,48970514,2015-08-02 06:05:26,>yfw you embraced degeneracy,,Anonymous,f06.jpg,XAJrJlhWA8EixlZD+gDiUA==,AU,,1438495526
48963546,48970548,2015-08-02 06:06:54,">>48970233
That started in the Roman occupation.
Rome knew about sanitation (by their standards).
Jesus had to relax the kosher food laws to allow Europe to colonize the New World. Without the ability to eat squirrels, you'd all be speaking German now.",,Anonymous,tennessee.jpg,Dn2jAmSsXMQNT+NIsfYOuw==,US,,1438495614
48963546,48970608,2015-08-02 06:09:51,">>48970268
Fuck. You again?
You do know that things have changed in 2,000 years, right?
None of that was out of context, you fucking moron. The post I referenced was.
Try typing like a human so I can respond.",,Anonymous,monkeyboy.jpg,U3xiVhmywMek6MjHtVtzgg==,US,,1438495791
48963546,48970617,2015-08-02 06:10:12,">>48970449
God is not bound by anything in this universe. He can mold it and change it however he wishes, even defying the laws of physics. For all intents and purposes, from our perspective, he is omnipotent. He created the universe the way it is for a reason, and that reason is something we cannot comprehend because it's not like we can whip up our own simulated universe and see how things pan out with different rules. For all we know a sinless universe would be even worse than this one.
You're just asking the boulder question. The answer is simply that God transcends logic. You can't cage him into having any set of properties because He just is.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438495812
48963546,48970707,2015-08-02 06:13:08,">>48970371
>Cleanliness laws are pretty common in the old world.
Sorry, champ. Europe was a diseased shithole and you know it.
Look up 'plague'.
Hundreds of people die every year from shellfish. Not a problem today, but in a small, semi-nomadic population, it was.",,Anonymous,jesus (3).jpg,+ZhuDRq8nkS23D4VsyytXg==,US,,1438495988
48963546,48970711,2015-08-02 06:13:29,">>48970617
If he transcends logic you have basically agree'd with me. God can do anything including getting rid of evil without violating free will. It sounds illogical but in your own words, God transcends logic.
Also you have basically agree'd with the most profound doctrine of atheism ""Religion is not logical""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438496009
48963546,48970727,2015-08-02 06:13:57,">>48970435
It is via deductive reasoning.
>>48970465
Its condensed enough, trust an atheist to abhor reading.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438496037
48963546,48970753,2015-08-02 06:15:09,">>48970608
>Things have changed in 2000 years.
Right on. Great idea: let's just abandon those ""2000 years old"" text that dictate our lives, shall we? I meanx things have changed in 2000 years.",,Anonymous,CmdO1.png,Gi/9GI/zkDMgan4tUuyalw==,CH,,1438496109
48963546,48970792,2015-08-02 06:16:35,">>48970707
Hindus had a concept of dieting and cleanliness and they predate the Old Testament.
You are basically trying to take knowledge that was common in the past, you could figure out by observing, and saying only God was smart enough to do it.
Fucking RACOONS do this stuff.
Religion insults man's intelligence by saying he is incapable of acting without a spiritual helper and you are proving my point.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438496195
48963546,48970804,2015-08-02 06:17:06,">>48970371
>Sin I don't think was ever thought of as a physical or metaphysical thing. It was simple a big list of 'no's and God takes note every time you do one. Perhaps if you reach over a certain score than he will do something, maybe he accounts for your environment too.
Sin = harm. Like murder. Stealing. Etc.
>Although it does sort of make the crucifixion strange. The Crucifixion is a metaphoric act. Jesus doesn't actually sacrifice anything, he resurrects himself and than goes to heaven where all his friends are.
Ok, so let me take a few days to beat you and nail you up in the sun. No sacrifice, right?
>I never understood the crucifix when I was a Christian boy. I thought Jesus's sacrifice was meaningless if he didn't stay dead, never told parents that though.
It doesn't surprise anyone that you are clueless. You're explaining away a viewpoint based on ignorance and feelings.",,Anonymous,1429949644407s.jpg,yEOPscbRyWO1K+WTugOnKg==,US,,1438496226
48963546,48970888,2015-08-02 06:20:21,">>48970389
>you have no evidence that they knew of germ theory, you simply have evidence that they knew not to eat certain things and how to prepare food in certain ways
Good thing I didn't say that, then. 
>that doesn't imply revealed religious knowledge, people knew thousands of years ago that they would get sunburned on hot days doesn't mean that they knew what melanin was or what UV radiation was or what was even going on
That has nothing to do with my point. They also knew claws can scratch. So what?
>the guy who discovered that by washing their hands between the morgue and the maternity ward, surgeons drastically reduced infant death didn't have a message from God that told him so, he stumbled upon it, had a eureka moment and passed the knowledge along
That started from religion. The religion your surgeon grew up in. Thousands of years before.
>not exactly complicated to understand how all this can easily come about in a non religious context
Yet it didn't.",,Anonymous,1386237047620.png,YD8SMUX2+OJBDZPM5yFHrQ==,US,,1438496421
48963546,48970917,2015-08-02 06:21:42,">>48970711
No, it means you cannot discern Gods limits by using logic. It's impossible, and a pointless exercise. 
>Religion is not logical
It's perfectly logical to believe in God, in fact if this is the one and only universe than by the numbers he MUST exist. It's not logical to think that you can determine his nature by engaging in thought experiments that are based on your experience of the physical universe. Your perspective is far too narrow to fully comprehend God the Father, as evidenced by the boulder question. And you don't gain anymore insight by asking yourself ""Well why didn't he do this..."" because you go in circles. He is what he is, and he did things this way. Why is a question we will not be able to understand til we stand before him in his glory.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438496502
48963546,48970928,2015-08-02 06:22:27,">>48970449
I'll give an example,
God cannot lie. This is logically possible given His benevolence. Thus given the meaning of omnipotence as ""doing all that is logically possible"" if God can't lie, he is still ""omnipotent"". At this point it's really semantics and definitions of terms. 
However some like one guy called Pracetoem(he might show up again one day maybe) would deny this definition. He would say God can do anything but this results in the problem you pointed out.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438496547
48963546,48970934,2015-08-02 06:22:35,">>48970804
>Ok, so let me take a few days to beat you and nail you up in the sun. No sacrifice, right?
a few hours of suffering inexchange for an infinite amount of time living 'paradise'
That sounds like the best deal ever! I'd actually love an explanation for this. I was fucking 8 when I thought of this and I still don't see how a Christian could not think Jesus was fortunate to trade a few hours of pain for an eternity being king of heaven.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438496555
48963546,48970946,2015-08-02 06:23:08,">>48970711
>Also you have basically agree'd with the most profound doctrine of atheism ""Religion is not logical""
You're both idiots with no knowledge of the Bible you're debating.
Back to /mlp/.",,Anonymous,123436422.jpg,PkY1JlrMHGbAvDDL8k7+0Q==,US,,1438496588
48963546,48970991,2015-08-02 06:25:00,">>48970727
>It is via deductive reasoning.
Yes, and deductive reasoning alone, which makes it meaningless. 
It's not good enough that you have a set of propositions that are consistent with themselves. They also need to be consistent with reality. If they don't address reality in the first place, no one needs to bother with them. They can simply be discarded without any thought",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438496700
48963546,48971010,2015-08-02 06:25:26,">>48970753
Common sense never changes. Not causing harm to your fellow humans is still a good idea.
I finally understand the Red Cross flag. You've lost a lot of blood and can't think straight.",,Anonymous,switzerland.jpg,NDvtjNAbqhiNUlPma6FlQA==,US,,1438496726
48963546,48971020,2015-08-02 06:25:52,">>48970934
It makes more sense when you realize that the entire time Jesus was on the cross he was having his flesh and blood transubstantiation to all the people who have ever received the Eucharist. It was spiritual, as well as physical torture. His sacrifice exists every time a Christian eats his flesh and drinks his blood.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438496752
48963546,48971040,2015-08-02 06:26:46,">>48970792
>and they predate the Old Testament.
Sorry, champ, but can you back that up with anything except hurt feelings?",,Anonymous,your-tears.jpg,hZFJn8SujXVjt+6Zw4cPuw==,US,,1438496806
48963546,48971109,2015-08-02 06:30:43,">>48970934
>That sounds like the best deal ever! I'd actually love an explanation for this. I was fucking 8 when I thought of this and I still don't see how a Christian could not think Jesus was fortunate to trade a few hours of pain for an eternity being king of heaven.
You're still approaching this as an 8 year old. Your immediate feelings and wants are what counts, and the promise of summer vacation when this current school year is over.
If you ever become a parent (God forbid) you'll have a better understanding of this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438497043
48963546,48971248,2015-08-02 06:36:43,">>48971109
>people who deify a book that has a father sacrificing his son
>lecturing others on parenting
Oh the irony",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438497403
48963546,48971279,2015-08-02 06:37:53,">>48970928
Whether not God can lie making him not all powerful is not semetics. It's a strong argument.
And if God can lie we have to question EVERYTHING including his claim of creating the universe, being all powerful, and whether Satan is really our enemy (my bets: he isn't)
>>48970946
If God is not logical, which is what this guy is saying, than religion is not logical.
>>48971010
A religious dogma needs to be more than 'common sense' and vague 'being nice'. It needs a strong value system and Christians actually have a terrible time finding any values in the bible (before you bring up the 10 commandments, when they say 'don't kill' they really mean don't kill other Jews, Goys are fine)
>>48971020
He magically sends his blood and flesh back in time so that his followers can eat him. He also has an infinite supply of blood and flesh.
Look I know religion has stupid things but time traveling cannibal rituals is too much.
>>48971040
Among the roots of Hinduism are the historical Vedic religion of Iron Age India,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#Origins
Even if we allow for the polytheistic Judaism (the one where Yawhei is not the head God) you only go back to 1600 BC, Hinduism has more than 1k years on ya. Also this is way way before the old testament was written.
Of course even discussing that your religion used to be polytheistic already puts you in the danger zone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
""El, not Yahweh, was the original ""God of Israel""—the word ""Israel"" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.""
""He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, from where he presided over the Assembly of the Gods with the goddess Asherah as his consort""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438497473
48963546,48971297,2015-08-02 06:38:25,">>48971248
You don't know the story, sport.
The sacrifice was never going to happen. It was about Abraham.",,Anonymous,1417589636496.jpg,ble+71M9qdftDRjn/sR93g==,US,,1438497505
48963546,48971398,2015-08-02 06:42:35,">>48971109
So let me ask you. Would you let me torture you for 12 hours in-exchange for what is basically infinite power.
Honestly if 1 day of pain isn't worth a life time as king of paradise universe how the hell are we ever going to put people in the army? Some of the soldiers that were tortured by enemies went through ordeals WORST than what Jesus went through. And all we give them is a damn medal!
Also keep in mind if Jesus is truely all powerful he doesn't have to feel pain on the cross. He can magically supress his own.
And according to this guy
>>48971020
Jesus can time travel so he can just speed up time.
The only fucking way the sacrifice makes any sense is if you treat it symbolically but that point your religion isn't about the real world, it's about the symbolic world.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438497755
48963546,48971458,2015-08-02 06:45:27,">>48971279
>>>48970946 (You)
>If God is not logical, which is what this guy is saying, than religion is not logical.
That is overly simplistic and ignores too many facts.
>>>48971010 (You)
>A religious dogma needs to be more than 'common sense' and vague 'being nice'. 
Says who? You?
Those are the two most important things for a community of people.
>It needs a strong value system and Christians actually have a terrible time finding any values in the bible (before you bring up the 10 commandments, when they say 'don't kill' they really mean don't kill other Jews, Goys are fine)
You are wrong, and once again, overly simplistic.
Thousands of years ago, someone not of your community was probably an enemy. Every society had 'goys', and the simple-minded say.
>you only go back to 1600 BC
This is wrong. So your argument is invalid.
It's meaningless anyway.
There was no significant, if any, contact between the two peoples. And God shows up in every society everywhere. If it's not a helpful God, the society doesn't last and made no contributions of note.
Then you go on to the endless analysis of the Bible.
That's a mistake most people make.
The Bible was written by a simple people in a simple, brutal time. There's no deep hidden meanings.",,Anonymous,bj.jpg,DhYH05hA72KV9oU0rFXfHQ==,US,,1438497927
48963546,48971504,2015-08-02 06:47:26,">>48971398
>So let me ask you. Would you let me torture you for 12 hours in-exchange for what is basically infinite power.
The Bible said that Jesus knew this. God talked to him.
If God directly spoke to me and said all that? Ok. 
That's not going to happen, though.
The whole concept applies only to Jesus, with knowledge beyond what we have.
This is an 'angels on the head of a pin' discussion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438498046
48963546,48971647,2015-08-02 06:52:20,"What are atheists' explanations for these?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1438498340
48963546,48971670,2015-08-02 06:53:24,">>48971504
No it's completely relevant.
Like I don't think this anymore it's what I used to think when I was 8 'Jesus didn't make any sacrifice. Anyone would want to trade a few hours of suffering for heaven'. You agree'd with me, it's a good trade.
Now I think Jesus did make no sacrifice but for a different reason, because he was just a political criminal than was found guilty and he never resurrected.
I wish Malaysia was here. He would probably analyze the suffixation and come up with an interesting metaphor.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438498404
48963546,48971713,2015-08-02 06:55:42,">>48971647
This is too easy for atheists.
Mass delusion is a real phenomenon.
Or it could be that God only wanted specific people to see the miracle.
Whatever, miracles aren't needed to explain that God is real. The scientific method works just fine. As does pic related.",,Anonymous,1433669080204.jpg,07r9HzuN4mrEIAoeNmMo2A==,US,,1438498542
48963546,48971812,2015-08-02 07:00:01,">>48971670
Do you really think infinite time doing anything sounds good? Wouldn't that get boring? Worse, there's no escape. Heaven would be Hell.
>Now I think Jesus did make no sacrifice but for a different reason, because he was just a political criminal than was found guilty and he never resurrected.
God shows Himself to everyone in a way they can accept. The only end game is to make you a better person. If someone dying is what it takes...ok, whatever, dude.
>I wish Malaysia was here
Nothing comes from Malaysia but crime, filth and disease. Perfect metaphor for atheism.",,Anonymous,athiest3.jpg,fjroaA3yjA9/N3rIl8f2hw==,US,,1438498801
48963546,48971875,2015-08-02 07:02:26,">>48971713
>specific people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_schizophrenia",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438498946
48963546,48971891,2015-08-02 07:02:55,">>48971647
So natural solar events are now acts of ""god""?
Just because we don't understand what they were, doesn't mean they were caused by your god.
Humans don't understand everything that goes on in our universe, that does not mean we should default to ""Oh *insert 1 of thousands of deities* did it""
We should be trying to figure out our Universe, not defaulting to supernatural intervention when something seems too difficult to understand or learn about.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438498975
48963546,48971966,2015-08-02 07:05:22,">>48971812
>does anyone else get sick of girls picking the asshole?
Is he talking about girls fingering his ass?
>my problem is I'm too nice
Well I guess if you keep letting girls thumb your anus to be 'nice' it is a problem
>Nothing comes from Malaysia but crime, filth and disease
Mai waifu would be sad to hear you say that.
I don't know wtf Malaysia is, some sort Deist-Agnostic-Christian hybrid or some crap. Whatever it is he's the best Christian I've seen on this board.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438499122
48963546,48972037,2015-08-02 07:07:49,">>48971966
He means girls going for a ""douchebag"" and not ""nice guys"" like him.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438499269
48963546,48972044,2015-08-02 07:08:04,">>48971875
No one's going to go read that.
If you have a point, make it.
Use citations for specific points.
Don't be a loser.",,Anonymous,feelings_report.jpg,WHpKjh+eF9dd9TVMXQ8X9Q==,US,,1438499284
48963546,48972090,2015-08-02 07:09:43,">>48971966
I don't speak moronese.",,Anonymous,1301032018560.jpg,N1VxFzXPgfVvKNMmqvLmxA==,US,,1438499383
48963546,48972235,2015-08-02 07:15:38,">>48963546
Agnostic here. Just let Jesus in, yo. He plays hella good xbocks and has great knowledge in matching wine with other foods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438499738
48963546,48972252,2015-08-02 07:16:13,">>48971297
Abraham didn't know that. God made him think it would be the best way to honor him until the very last second where he went ""lol jk""
How fucked up is that?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438499773
48963546,48972264,2015-08-02 07:16:32,">>48963949
poor polygamists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438499792
48963546,48972277,2015-08-02 07:16:57,">>48972044
>A common report from those with schizophrenia is some type of a religious delusion - that is, they believe they are divine beings, God is talking to them, they are possessed by demons, etc.
Specific people were mentally ill",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438499817
48963546,48972295,2015-08-02 07:17:46,">>48972277
There is moar but that would be tldr",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1438499866
48991611,48991611,2015-08-02 16:38:09,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,big_words_islam.jpg,ErBLJOdX63jgroVWjRA0JA==,US,,1438533489
48991611,48991640,2015-08-02 16:38:52,">>48991611
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended YouTube Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>On Discussion of Religions
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism as an Alternative to Nihilism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,1433205641684.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1438533532
48991611,48991870,2015-08-02 16:43:59,How can you ignore the overwhelming evidence of Christianity?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438533839
48991611,48992096,2015-08-02 16:48:40,"AUG 1 2015
*An index has been added to the religion's profiles to help navigate
*New Fedora-chan art added including her first boobie picture.
*Several new images for general bin
*The Basics bin has been renamed to Basics/faq to reflect it's new purpose. It also has an index and 2 new sections. One on atheism and autism and one on atheism and leftism
*The Religious profiles section is back and more detailed but not complete
*Discussing religion is still down. I'm being lazy with it
*New section was added to talk specifically about incorrect ideas in atheism. This is highly experimental and may be delated. Christians, you can contribute too!!
>>48991870
You should know by now atheists secretly worship the devil. We already know God exists we just want to sin and lord Satan is the way.",,OuterLimits,69896.png,RMtlXjqyBknyeq5dtq/B/g==,US,,1438534120
48991611,48992194,2015-08-02 16:50:32,">>48991870
There's no evidence that Christianity is anymore divine or supernatural than any other man-made religion. 
And this doesn't even touch on issues like God being invented around 600 BCE, and of course no one has ever found evidence that God exists or even can exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438534232
48991611,48992292,2015-08-02 16:52:24,">>48992194
>evidence that God exists or even can exist.
If there is only one universe than statistically God must exist. Only other option is a multiverse, which increases the chances of a universe that could support human life from essentially zero to a certainty. The argument basically rests on whether you believe there is one universe or infinite universes.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438534344
48991611,48992359,2015-08-02 16:54:06,How long before this general is flooded by people unironically using fedora memes as firepower? I really want to see some civilized discussion.,,Anonymous,,,IE,,1438534446
48991611,48992397,2015-08-02 16:54:49,">>48992292
The universe doesn't seem to be so keen on making 1 of anything, so I don't see why there would only be 1 universe. Seems like more space with slightly different laws is more likely than an intelligent creator being that breaks all the physical laws.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438534489
48991611,48992470,2015-08-02 16:56:23,">>48992292
Nice arguement you pulled out of your ass.
Here's an idea. Life evolves to fit whatever environment it is in. The universe was not made for humans, life forms just experimented and battled it out till they made humanity.
As for why the universe is stable? Very simple an unstable universe wouldn't last and would form into another shape, would keep doing it till it formed something stable.
You could try argueing 'why is the universe stable? why are there laws of physics? But that's like asking why 2+2 always equal 4 instead of sometimes equaling 37.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438534583
48991611,48992596,2015-08-02 16:59:08,">>48992096
I'd like to comment on this paste: http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
>Babies are born atheist and corrupted by theism
Yes, they are weak atheists.
>Religion causes war
Saying ""war predates religion"" and therefore ""religion can't cause war"" is ridiculous. That's like saying terrorist organizations can't cause war because war predates them. You can go look up religious wars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
Also, I'm disappointed you didn't append anything to this section atheism. Considering so many people think atheism causes genocide.
>The crusades were bad
I'd love to hear your justification of the Fourth Crusade.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438534748
48991611,48992656,2015-08-02 17:00:21,"So a topic of discussion.
What are the best ways to shut down Islam? There's been a noticable rise in it's presence. There was a general thread for it yesterday.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438534821
48991611,48992785,2015-08-02 17:03:22,">>48992359
Civilized discussion begins with broaching civilized topics. If you want this general to follow the proper path then you and people like you have to be willing to drown out the stupid riff-raff with a strong. It's your responsibility to lend your voice to what this general should be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438535002
48991611,48992903,2015-08-02 17:05:59,">>48992785
a strong voice*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438535159
48991611,48992994,2015-08-02 17:08:00,">>48992596
Atheism doesn't cause genocide. Human hate and power mad tyrants cause genocide. Further, in the end, regardless of the reason or attempted justifications, it is simply humans that cause genocide.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438535280
48991611,48993510,2015-08-02 17:19:25,">>48992596
>>48992596
>>48992596
>Yes, they are weak atheists.
An atheist is someone who beleives this statement ""I do not belive in God""
Babies cannot make this statement because they have no concept of God. You might as well say they are anarchists because they do not beleive in government.
>Religion causes war.
I will ammend this. Probably somethign to like ""religion is the only cause of war""
Probably ammend the crusades one to, since there is more than 1 crusade",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438535965
48991611,48993736,2015-08-02 17:24:39,"Some reasons to be an atheist:
1. The evidence we have shows naturalism explains our world the best. So it is probably true, and that means there is no god. For there is no miracles, no fallible scriptures, but instead only a blind, mechanical universe.
2. The religious landscape is confused and mundane, so god is probably a false belief produce by interested and circumstance. If a compassionate god exists, he would not allow people to damn or kill or deceive themselves in this way, but would nurture and guide them and steer them to the truth. And if half the world falsely believes in Allah while the other half correctly believes in Christ, how do we know it isn't the other around?
3. The universe is a moron. It is like an autistic idiot savant, a marvelous machine wholly incomprehending of itself or others. This is exactly what we should expect if it was NOT created and governed by a benevolent deity. All causes are unintelligent, there is no hand of god.
4. Most god-concepts are illogical. Theologians reform their god-concept to defeat arguments like ""Can god make a rock he can't lift?"" and ""How can a perfect god make an imperfect universe?"" until it leaves us with an inexplicable god-concept, proving that there isn't any way God can make sense to us, unless we adopt an idea of God wholly alien to anything anyone has ever found believable or comforting. 
5. There is too much needless cruelty and misery. The inherent role of violence, injustice and cruelty in the operation of nature, brining about the pointless suffering of animals as well as humans, is inexplicable as the creation of a kind being, but entirely to be expected as the outcome of a blind process of natural section in a mindless universe.
(cont.)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438536279
48991611,48993857,2015-08-02 17:27:30,">>48993736
6. In addition to point 5, there should also be more benefits from such a God as well. Yet there are none. He's supposed to be your buddy, your daddy, your shepherd, yet he does non of the things such people do. You can tell a lot about someone's character by their indifference and lack of action.
7. And last but certainly not least: The only things people can come up with to make excuses for God, in their desperate attempt to explain away my above points, are things so absurd (not to mention wholly ad hoc), that it is equally absurd to give belief any credit whatever. No fact that people need such ridiculous contrivances to define is ever likely to be true. If it were true, the facts would speak to it. You would not need to resort to the absurd. But this is just what everyone does.
>>48993510
You can put these points somewhere in the pastebin if you want",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438536450
48991611,48993935,2015-08-02 17:29:22,">>48993857
>You can put these points somewhere in the pastebin if you want
Actually, let me fix typos first.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438536562
48991611,48994125,2015-08-02 17:33:30,">>48993935
>>48993510
Okay, here it is http://pastebin.com/WT38kbZf
I've also noticed you haven't undated the videos section since I posted a bunch of new videos in an older paste.
>An atheist is someone who beleives this statement ""I do not belive in God""
Then what do you call someone that lacks a belief in God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438536810
48991611,48994264,2015-08-02 17:36:44,">>48992470
>As for why the universe is stable? Very simple an unstable universe wouldn't last and would form into another shape, would keep doing it till it formed something stable.
I could think of infinitely many stable universes that can't produce life.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438537004
48991611,48994570,2015-08-02 17:43:45,">>48994264
That's why the multiverse theory is so important. It has explanatory power for how things are the way they are. Because there are infinitely many ""universes"", all with slightly different laws of nature. So it was just statistically likely that a universe with life and whatnot could emerge.
Of course, the multiverse still draws the questions ""Why is there a multiverse? Who put that there?"". And then the atheist might ask ""Why is there a God? Who put that there?"". And most theists will simply say ""Ah-ha! God just IS. He need not have a cause."" 
Of course, I respond with ""Then the multiverse just IS."" And that may be the case, there really should be something that just IS intrinsic to reality and doesn't need anything to cause it. The multiverse being that thing is a lot more reasonable than a super complex God-thing just being that thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438537425
48991611,48994660,2015-08-02 17:45:48,">>48994570
Interesting... I've never seen an atheist claim something is causeless",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438537548
48991611,48995371,2015-08-02 18:01:08,">>48993736
>The universe is a moron. It is like an autistic idiot savant
I kek'd",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1438538468
48991611,48995706,2015-08-02 18:08:11,">>48994660
>I've never seen an atheist claim
I'd just like to note: this assumes the existence of some sort of atheist core philosophy or groupthink or something and no such thing exists. Atheists have only one thing in common: A lack of a strong belief in extranatural powers. So to say ""I've never seen an atheist say x."" is pointless because, besides that single commonality, atheists do not necessarily have anything in common.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438538891
48991611,48995770,2015-08-02 18:09:25,I've noticed not many Christians are willing to stray from their circlejerk to these kinds of threads anymore. Lack of confidence maybe?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438538965
48991611,48995799,2015-08-02 18:10:10,">>48991611
The very fact that the universe exists is proof of God.
You would have to be a fool to think otherwise.
God is self evident.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539010
48991611,48995837,2015-08-02 18:11:09,">>48995706
Is there a way the universe could exist without something just causelessly existing? Seems like something just has to be, or nothing else could be",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539069
48991611,48995886,2015-08-02 18:12:15,">>48991611
Agnostic here.
Isn't that Ali in the picture?
Why are Atheists so ignorant?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539135
48991611,48995915,2015-08-02 18:12:59,">>48995799
Interesting you use the universe as proof of a god, I do the exact opposite here http://pastebin.com/WT38kbZf",,Anonymous,Moj6bvK.jpg,G9cvQsZ1HV1aQ8Q+EArOog==,US,,1438539179
48991611,48995967,2015-08-02 18:14:15,">>48995770
Give it time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539255
48991611,48996019,2015-08-02 18:15:20,">>48995915
To play devils advocate you could argue that if a person cannot be moral for single speck of time then they shouldn't be rewarded for their lack of control.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539320
48991611,48996050,2015-08-02 18:15:57,">>48995886
Looks like Muhammad to me. 
Also, doesn't being an agnostic mean you lack knowledge? Rekt",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539357
48991611,48996109,2015-08-02 18:17:14,">>48996019
What is that meant to be a reply to?
Also, morality is its own reward.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539434
48991611,48996189,2015-08-02 18:19:02,">>48995886
It's Mohammed you dumbass.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Muhammad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539542
48991611,48996205,2015-08-02 18:19:16,">>48992470
Here is the videos http://pastebin.com/cBWT61gj",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539556
48991611,48996336,2015-08-02 18:21:27,">>48992292
no consider this option. the capital 'U' Universe. this Universe consists of all things that exist, whether they are known or unknown whether they will ever be seen or if they forever remain unseen. if it exists at all anywhere than it is part of the Universe. 
it is not logical that a god could create the Universe. as if a god exists than something exists and the Universe exists since it is the sum of all things. this Universe cannot be made for if something exists that can make it than it already exists for it is made of any ""something"". 
considering this Universe, it is impossible that it does not ""predate"" time itself. it is impossible that history was of infinite length, or we could never achieve this point. it is logically sound that at some point there was not time. but it is also logical that something must have existed even then so that something could happen and time could begin. but whenever there is something the Universe already exists. as such the Universe has no known beginning or end. 
this is true if there is a god or if there are no gods. and in either case these gods or God did NOT create the Universe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539687
48991611,48996345,2015-08-02 18:21:37,">>48996109
>What is that meant to be a reply to?
The graph you posted
>Also, morality is its own reward.
Flowery thoughts but most people don't think that way",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539697
48991611,48996490,2015-08-02 18:24:31,">>48996345
>The graph you posted
Ah, I see.
Now consider that the graph would still be exactly the same even if humans lived 2 billions years on average.
>Flowery thoughts but most people don't think that way
I wrote this piece on the matter http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
I wouldn't mind some feedback :3",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438539871
48991611,48996491,2015-08-02 18:24:33,">>48996189
>>48996050
Ali is almost universally depicted with the Green headdress in Shi'a artwork.
The only alleged depictions of Muhammad with such are usually mislabeled Shi'a artwork in western outlets.",,Anonymous,ali.jpg,FNLDhMfreE0QZzV1hDNzSA==,US,,1438539873
48991611,48996608,2015-08-02 18:26:33,">>48996336
God, atheists are fucking horrible at philosophy. The original statement is God created the Observable Universe and that is clearly the reference made in the post you just replied to.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438539993
48991611,48996782,2015-08-02 18:29:51,">>48991611
This is worse than the Christian General.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438540191
48991611,48996827,2015-08-02 18:30:44,">>48994570
Basically yes. Statistics tell us that if this is the one and only universe than the probability of life arising is just too tiny to be possible without outside help. It's like coming across a perfectly built sandcastle on a beach. You don't see anyone around who could have built it, but the idea that someone built it is a lot more probable than the idea that it formed by natural processes.
The multiverse is the other possibility. Because if you have an infinite amount of universes then the probability one of them has the right conditions for life becomes basically certain.
We have no proof either way so whether you believe there is one universe with a creator or many universes depends on how committed you are to the idea of a purely naturalistic universe.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438540244
48991611,48997060,2015-08-02 18:35:19,">>48996827
Yeah, a sandcastle isn't that impressive but you're right. A multiverse would be needed to explain how any life at all can exist (even though most of the universe is just a giant blackhole making machine).
However, God is the ultimate sandcastle. He's more like a city, or Coruscant. And there is absolutely no explanation for him. No multiverse rolled the dice infinite times and got him.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438540519
48991611,48997283,2015-08-02 18:39:37,">>48996782
What are you looking for, godfag?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438540777
48991611,48997346,2015-08-02 18:40:49,">>48996491
Citation or stfu. I Google mohammad and get a million pictures like OP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438540849
48991611,48997758,2015-08-02 18:49:35,">>48996490
I would drop that whole section on opinions as it's redundant I doubt many people need to be told that opinions are subjective and that they are a reflection of those that hold the opinion rather than the subject of the opinion itself.
In regard to moral value in relation to the commonality of all people's pursuit of happiness.
Integrity and compassion do not lead to a happy life. If anything they cause suffering to the one that holds them as core principles.
The man with integrity is constantly tested.
There may be that short good feeling of ""I did the right thing"" and the respect of whomever agreed with it. But right after they will deal with the consequence of sticking to their guns.
The man with compassion suffers along with those he helps. It takes a strong person to stay optimistic in the face of constant sorrows and suffering. There is a feeling of never being able to do enough and the futility of your efforts.
You argue that without these traits life is ultimately shallow, unsatisfying, and meaningless. But we all have different motives and goals in this life. 
The man who desires power cares little for integrity and compassion. Same for the man who desires wealth. For these people the pursuit of happiness is a personal one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438541375
48991611,48997801,2015-08-02 18:50:33,">>48996608
>God, atheists are fucking horrible at philosophy
Says the guy that believes in fairytales and a magical paradise",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438541433
48991611,48998375,2015-08-02 19:01:39,">>48997060
You run into the same problem trying to explain from what or where all those multiverses sprung up from though. The multiverse theory explains why there is a universe with such a finely tuned gravitational constant that is strong enough to pull planets together from debris but not strong enough to pull those planets into the sun. It doesn't explain the origin of those universes, what 'medium' if any they exist in, etc.
The answer is, what is outside our universe is fundamentally unknowable. The properties of something outside our universe are beyond comprehension because whatever it is almost certainly doesn't exist as time, space, matter or energy, at least not in the forms that are familiar to us.
Where did God come from is the exact same question as where did the matter of our universe come from? You need to accept that something has always existed and didn't just spring into existence from nothingness. Whether that be the intial 'seed' of the universe that exploded because of quantum fluctuations or a progenitor being that created it.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438542099
48991611,48998435,2015-08-02 19:02:45,">>48997758
I say a moral life is a life that leads to happiness.
And cultivating a genuine sense of compassion and integrity will lead to habitual moral behavior, these character traits, these values, these virtues, are good for you. For you need habitual moral behavior to know real, consistent happiness. Thus, even if you don't realize it, even if you don't quite understand it now, you want these vales. In truth, everyone would want these qualities to be a part of their person, if only they came to see how their pursuit of momentary sanctification is futile, and discovered instead how wonderful real happiness in in comparison. 
If you really have compassion for others, then you share in their happiness and sadness, and thus anything you do to alleviate their suffering or bring them joy makes you feel good, through simple human empathy.
And if you really have a passion for your personal integrity, then you will be happy when you stick to your guns or preserve your self-image, even under torture or severe loss. It will feel good that you made your personal values meaningful by making them manifest and unconquerable, defying those who would work evil upon or through you. You will be in your own eyes a success, not a failure. But if you have no empathy, you eliminate a huge source of joy from your life, leaving you more vulnerable to depression. And if you falter, you will suffer to one degree or another from self-disgust or disappointment.
In other words, merely being moral in and of itself contributes to a lasting happiness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438542165
48991611,48998597,2015-08-02 19:05:58,">>48998375
>You need to accept that something has always existed and didn't just spring into existence from nothingness.
I know, I explain that here: >>48994570",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438542358
48991611,48998727,2015-08-02 19:08:23,">>48997801
Not exclusively. In fact, everyone here believes in these things. If you dont believe in God, you believe in the godless multiverse. And if you believe in the godless multiverse, you believe in in fairytales and a magical paradise, plus dragons and globins. It is not the physical constants that made your mind, your mind is an Aristotelian Universal(with the capital U) object. This is why you believe in everything without evidence, this is why you ask for evidence in the first place. 'Faith' is used as 'Reason' in the bible, not the secularist 'blind belief', which makes sense considering the enemy of reason is the father of lies.",,Anonymous,samurai fedora.jpg,g07CPlzp+umn2XmGm3intQ==,BR,,1438542503
48991611,48998997,2015-08-02 19:12:57,">>48998727
>And if you believe in the godless multiverse, you believe in in fairytales and a magical paradise, plus dragons and globins
> It is not the physical constants that made your mind, your mind is an Aristotelian Universal
>This is why you believe in everything without evidence, this is why you ask for evidence in the first place.
What the fuck are you talking about?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438542777
48991611,48999080,2015-08-02 19:14:26,">>48998597
Yeah but your conclusion isn't very convincing. ""It makes more sense if the thing that has always existed is the thing I believe in"". You're also making the assumption that God is 'complex'. Is gravity 'complex'? It's just a law of the universe, God could easily be the fundamental reality outside of the universe, not complex but just an existence that is.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438542866
48991611,48999101,2015-08-02 19:14:49,">>48998997
Besides in* and Goblins*, there are no mistakes there. If you can't read, that is not my problem.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438542889
48991611,48999355,2015-08-02 19:19:35,">>48999080
I go into this a little bit on point 4 here >>48993736 and point 7 is kind of related >>48993857
Basically, any sort of extremely powerful, thinking, designing, personlike god-thing that is the central deity of popular religions IS complex. Even just demanding humans follow a certain set of laws (like don't have sex before marriage) is already way too complicated for me to consider a ""fundamental reality""
Whereas the multiverse is just an extension of the things we already know and see, it isn't some far-fetched thing that no one can explain or comprehend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438543175
48991611,48999437,2015-08-02 19:21:25,">>48999101
I don't believe in a magical paradise. My brain is a biological computer. I don't believe things without evidence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438543285
48991611,48999572,2015-08-02 19:24:03,">>48995886
It is, in fact, Ali.
These gentlemen are not exactly known for using the gray matter, or cultivate knowledge.
They are chronic and proudly ignorant. Patience.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438543443
48991611,48999650,2015-08-02 19:25:41,">>48999572
So far no one has given any citations on this claim, and everything I can find on this image says it is Muhammad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438543541
48991611,48999670,2015-08-02 19:26:04,">>48994125
Fuck I had complelty forgot that. I'll try and catch up.
""lack of beleif in God""
Atheism is an assertive statement, lack of belief can mean many things. This is why most surverys have both 'nonreligious' and 'atheism as a choice'
>>48994570
Look multi-verse is basically the scientists version of 'heaven'. He can't prove it. It's way better than heaven but it's still a crazy idea.
What it really comes down to is our universe was not designed for life, it wasn't designed for ANYTHING, it early life that figured out how to survive.
To give you an idea there are fucking life forms that found oxygen toxic. The universe is not finely tuned, it's filled with deadly oxygen but we evolved to breath poison!
>>48997801
Both are write. Philosophy is actually really hard. Christians fail at it because they look to philosophy to support something they already beleive in. Atheists usually fail it because they try to look at it too rationally and they take a lot of social ideas as a norm like 'happiness is preferable to suffer' without bother making a solid foundation.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438543564
48991611,48999921,2015-08-02 19:31:17,">>48991611
all agnostics are either theists or atheists",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438543877
48991611,49000010,2015-08-02 19:33:15,">>48999355
I think complexity loses it's meaning when you're talking about conceptual ideas. Is consciousness complex? Well you'd argue that the physical processes of the brain that underpin them are complex, but lets dissociate the process of thought from the physical brain for a second. Is thought 'complex'? I'd say that's not a meaningful question. Thought just is. God is not matter or energy. He is not a system. He just is, and the concept of complexity just doesn't seem to apply to such a transcendent being.
The problem comes from assuming that our experiences in the material universe can give us any kind of insight into what existence might be outside of it. Without matter, energy, time or space how do you even begin to conceptualize what is even there? It's way outside our frame of reference, we can't even envisage what a 4D object might look like, let alone imagining a being that exists outside our reality entirely.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438543995
48991611,49000245,2015-08-02 19:37:31,">>49000010
>lets dissociate the process of thought from the physical brain for a second
Let's not. There is no ""thought"". It's just chemicals and electrical pulses. If thought could exist independently then I might be able to follow what you're saying, but you're basing your argument off of an idea that isn't compatible with reality.
>The problem comes from assuming that our experiences in the material universe can give us any kind of insight into what existence might be outside of it
If we can't experience it (even in theory), then it might as well not exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438544251
48991611,49000328,2015-08-02 19:39:16,">>48999437
You do believe in things without evidence, you probably learned to look for evidence on big claims around the age of 6, it was a slow and non verbal realisation that imagination is not limited to Physics. Your brain is wired to learn without evidence, otherwise you would limit your knowledge.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438544356
48991611,49000481,2015-08-02 19:42:33,">>48999670
>it early life that figured out how to survive.
There are an infinite number of possible universes where no life could survive, period. The gravitational constant being what it is is remarkable, it's an actual miracle really. A little bit to one side and gravity isn't strong enough to pull debris together and form planets, let alone stars. A little bit to the other side and all matter falls inward and the universe becomes a singularity.
There are other examples like the strong nuclear force being just strong enough to stop protons from expelling each other out of the nucleus. 
The remarkable thing in all of these cases is that the universe didn't HAVE to be this way. There's no reason that atoms had to bind together, or that gravity just be strong enough to form systems of planets. But it is, against all probability, it is that way, and if there is only one universe, this one, then the possibility of it just being random chance is basically nil.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438544553
48991611,49000550,2015-08-02 19:43:43,">>49000328
I try to be as reasonable as possible, but you're right I can't apply a rigorous method to everything in life. But if my raw experiences and reasoning conflict with a more powerful method, like what science has to say on the matter, then I will side with the stronger method until i apply the same rigorous levels of investigation to what I thought I experienced",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438544623
48991611,49000821,2015-08-02 19:49:15,">>49000245
>Let's not. There is no ""thought"". It's just chemicals and electrical pulses.
Mind Body dualism has many convincing arguments that science is yet to answer. In fact there is evidence that a persons mind can influence the physical processes of their body, the exact opposite",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438544955
48991611,49000834,2015-08-02 19:49:30,">>48999670
>Look multi-verse is basically the scientists version of 'heaven'. He can't prove it. It's way better than heaven but it's still a crazy idea. It is just an extension of the things we already know and see, it isn't some far-fetched thing that no one can explain or comprehend like heaven
It isn't that crazy of an idea, and scientists will be able to test it one day.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438544970
48991611,49000935,2015-08-02 19:51:15,">>49000821
>Mind Body dualism
Complete bogus, please watch
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4PW35-Y00
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZTCK8ZluEc",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438545075
48991611,49001371,2015-08-02 20:01:15,">>49000481
I havn't really looked into this much, but how is that any sort of problem? If gravity was weaker we wouldn't have planets we would have something else entirely.
Also there doesn't even need to be more than 1 Universe. Look let's say there is a 1/10,000 chance to generate a stable universe. If the dice rolls a fail we would not be hear talking. If it rolls a success we get to wear we all now and ask why the dice didn't come up right.
>>49000245
Look you are going about this wrong. In order to explain this I need to open philosophy. In short you are being tricked by grammar. LANGUAGE IS BIAS. When it was made it had certain metaphysics ideas built right into the language.
For instance ""my body"" ""my brain"" why do we say it in a possessive sense? Because the ancients that that you were a 'spirit thing' trapped inside a physical thing. 
Imagine if we rewrote the language so that 'my brain' was grammatical nonsense like saying 'my I' or 'myself's self'. Your brain IS YOU, you do not own your brain, you are your brain. But the ancestors didn't know this.
""I am afraid we are not rid of God because we still have faith in grammar. ""
>>49000834
Until they can test it is a crazy idea, just less crazy than Christianity which works to define their own idea as untestable.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438545675
48991611,49001566,2015-08-02 20:05:55,">>49001371
>Look you are going about this wrong.
He seems to have understood what I meant, because he jumped right to substance dualism next, which is right where I thought he would go.
But yeah, words do make it hard to communicate about these kinds of ideas. That's why philosophers usually make some concrete definitions before even delving into what they're trying to say.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438545955
48991611,49001781,2015-08-02 20:11:11,">>49001371
>you do not own your brain
smoke another bowl, bruh, you're starting to make sense...",,Anonymous,pizza!.jpg,Cni3oV3XHGuqlPUZC2HyMA==,US,,1438546271
48991611,49001859,2015-08-02 20:13:16,">>49001781
Well technically God owns your brain, so at least he's right on one thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438546396
48991611,49002053,2015-08-02 20:17:32,"Some thoughts on this Bin
http://pastebin.com/WT38kbZf
1. This is good. I dislike the cold tone used to describe our universe though. Also there should be something added that if God operates on natural laws there is no reason to think we cannot learn to do what he does
2. This seems to be addressing only a few religions. Also Christians already have their free-will excuse for this and insisting the way into heaven is unknown. Some sects DO allow Islamics into heaven if they lived according to God's word. Some have a purgitory. Some Catholics believe that God just gives you the fucking answer when you die
3. Terrible tone to describe our universe, it's our home.
4. I like showing how God's form changes whenever a critism is made against him. This should be basics of the post ""God is illogical"" is not really something you have demonstrated because Christians have their own 'logic'. You need to demonstrate why their logic is flawed, not just accuse them of having none
5. >There is too much needless cruelty and misery
You get into an area that is not universal accepted in atheism. Because humans define their own value you cannot make blanket statements like this. Also again this is a negative tone. I want our atheism to have a positive tone. Christianity THRIVES on suffering. The more suffering there is the more you want escapism, God. Also Christians refute this point easily with mai free will. There are many things wrong with this.
6. Again you are only talking about Christianity, not all religion. Further more these points Christians already have counters for. They would argue our life itself is a gift from God and that suffering is necessary because the whole earth is just a trial. 
7. This is rambling with no specific points.
On the whole the tone is far, far too negative. If we 'win' and beat theism we also must decide the new world view. Do you want it to be a whiny world view that says 'there is all this suffering and no God?'",,OuterLimits,Our perspective.jpg,Cf7/cQV9I+HaVoUS14iqJQ==,US,,1438546652
48991611,49002188,2015-08-02 20:20:25,">>49000935
Doesn't really explain how the mind can influence the very physical processes that are supposed to be the cause of it though. i.e Placebo effect. It handwaves the issue away saying that a psychological problems causing physiological manifestations doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a physiological cause. Well, yeah, but where is it?
If the mind is purely a result of the physiological processes of the brain then it should be impossible for the mind to influence the processes that are creating it.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438546825
48991611,49002294,2015-08-02 20:22:53,">>49002188
It covers that in the first few minutes of the second video.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438546973
48991611,49002464,2015-08-02 20:26:56,">>49002294
No it doesn't, it dodges the issue entirely by saying there MIGHT be a physiological state associated with the psychological state and that's what causes the physical manifestation. It's a hypothesis.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438547216
48991611,49002797,2015-08-02 20:34:25,">>49000935
Isn't Mind body Dualism just a fancy worded belief in souls?
All mind activity is physical: chemical, electric pulses, it's just very complicated.
There has never been evidence that the mind can exist in any form without anything physical. You cannot have 'thoughts' outside a brain.
You cannot destroy a brain and still have the person thinking.
The very idea of something completely non-physical is absurd! All things are made of energy, energy IS matter (that's Einstein), matter is physical.
The only exception is something totally abstract the concept of truth. But even that is physical if you want to get technical since it only exists as a thought and a thought is physically in the brain.
The concept of 'spirit' is a hold over from ancient science when they simply couldn't explain things that happened in biology and it was the best they came up with.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438547665
48991611,49002974,2015-08-02 20:38:41,">>49002053
>if God operates on natural laws there is no reason to think we cannot learn to do what he does
Most people don't think this about God, so it's no relevant enough.
>Also Christians already have their free-will excuse for this
Everyone has their own excuse for every point made, that's why I made point 7.
>Terrible tone to describe our universe, it's our home.
I called it a ""marvelous machine"". You can't dispute the fact that the universe is mindless yet wonderful.
>You need to demonstrate why their logic is flawed
No I don't, because I'm claiming theologians DO have a god-concept that is logical. I'm just saying that the god-concept that is logical isn't the one that people worship.
>You get into an area that is not universal accepted in atheism.
> I want our atheism to have a positive tone
Cool bro, but if you read more closely I'm talking about natural selection and blind processes like that. Not thinking atheists.
>Again you are only talking about Christianity, not all religion
My line of reasoning is not limited to good gods. It would be most bizarre to have no evidence of any divine activity or consistent communication even from an evil or disinterested god. If god was a friend, I would think he would give clear, honest, advice to his friends when asked, or offer comfort when they are in misery. If god was a loving parent, I would think it a horrible failure as a parent to no educate their children well, and supervise them kindly, teaching them how to live safe and well an warning them of unknown or unexpected dangers.
> This is rambling with no specific points.
godfags will see this point and come back and try to make up the ad hoc explanations I mention. Then I can shoot them down one by one, instead of trying to predict what they are.
>If we 'win' and beat theism we also must decide the new world view.
If you think anyone will convert right after reading this then you're deluded. Establishing worldview is not my goal here.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438547921
48991611,49003073,2015-08-02 20:40:41,">>48991611
Muslim here
>claims smart atheist
>using ali pic as prophet muhammad saw
>>48996189
>using conservapedia as source
>not knowing that drawing is haram
9/11
This is why i bomb people",,kikekiking+11,,,ID,,1438548041
48991611,49003162,2015-08-02 20:42:45,">>49002464
There are two separate processes, and they are experienced separately from a first-person perspective.
First is the thought you experience as a result of physical neurons in your brain, and second is the other physical actions going on that result from that physical action.
You can't conflate how a thought is experienced in third person with the actual underlying physical systems that are causing things.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438548165
48991611,49003190,2015-08-02 20:43:11,">>49003073
1/10 will catch the the freshest summer out",,Anonymous,1396718961449.gif,Q3i1zCuLtbz9pJYses5j7w==,GB,,1438548191
48991611,49003209,2015-08-02 20:43:40,">>48996491
>>48997346
This is a picture of Ali, who married Muhammad's daughter. These pictures are only used by Shias.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hakob_Hovnatanian_-_Ali_ibn_Abi_Talib.jpg",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438548220
48991611,49003215,2015-08-02 20:43:47,">>49003073
So far no one has given any citations on this claim, and everything I can find on this image says it is Muhammad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438548227
48991611,49003432,2015-08-02 20:49:24,">>49003215
Have you not seen >>49003209",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438548564
48991611,49003466,2015-08-02 20:50:27,">>49003432
That's a different picture than OP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438548627
48991611,49003599,2015-08-02 20:53:21,">>49003466
>Mohammad would actually be drawn
Are you this stupid?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438548801
48991611,49003606,2015-08-02 20:53:24,">>49003466
Holy fucking shit. This is an artwork of Ali, made by Shias, I know this because I was born one.",,Anonymous,Screenshot_3.png,afn8Y+Q77iZwd+5D8E2IPw==,LB,,1438548804
48991611,49003695,2015-08-02 20:55:17,">>49002974
If you want to hit Christianity as a whole you need to understand how they think. There are indeed Christians that think God operates naturally. 
>Everyone has their own excuse for every point made: point 7
The way you wrote it would not be worth much to an advanced Christian. Most of what you wrote they would sum up in 3 words 'problem of evil'. So you should go directly to explaining why free will isn't a valid excuse or why evil doesn't exist in the universe except relatively.
>Establishing worldview is not my goal here.
Whether or not it is a goal or not it still happens. So things like calling the universe a 'marvelous machine' instead of 'blind' are very important
>Cool bro, but if you read more closely I'm talking about natural selection and blind processes like that. Not thinking atheists
This is your goal but when you start saying 'the universe has needless suffering' you step into philosophy. I'm not saying you are wrong just commenting on what you are setting up, if this is going to get posted in the Overbin though it would need to get reworked (i dont know if that was your intention)
The view of atheists as complaining that the world is terrible but there is no God is bad for our reputation. Look at this picture it says the exact same thing you do but it does not use a negative tone about our universe.",,OuterLimits,maxresdefault.jpg,IjL6vUoN8EzbgO43XSIiRg==,US,,1438548917
48991611,49003717,2015-08-02 20:55:47,">>49003599
To be honest, only Sunnis get butthurt about depiction of Muhammad's face, and when they do depict him his face is covered with a veil.
But again, Shi'as aren't known to depict Muhammad with the green headdress.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438548947
48991611,49004036,2015-08-02 21:03:21,">>48999437
If there really is an infinite series of universes, then yes, Lord of the rings happened, is happening, and will happen in that series.
Which is why the idea falls apart. If there were infinite universes, then there must be infinite possibilities. So why hasn't captain planet tunneled through the multiverse to slap you yet?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438549401
48991611,49004087,2015-08-02 21:04:18,">>49003695
>So things like calling the universe a 'marvelous machine' instead of 'blind' are very important
I call it both things because it is both things.
>There are indeed Christians that think God operates naturally. 
Like I said, I don't care. They are few and far between, and if one showed up in these threads then he could easily be defeated because he would have to have empirical evidence of such a natural god.
>I'm not saying you are wrong just commenting on what you are setting up
I know exactly what I'm setting up, and it pretty much does lead into things like the problem of evil. But just in more concrete terms and examples.
>The view of atheists as complaining that the world is terrible but there is no God is bad for our reputation.
I only made one point that ""the universe was terrible"". My example was evolution by natural selection, which is a violent and cruel process by any meaning of the words. 
If you want to add some fluffy feel-good points to this, or just a sentence or two at the bottom then be my guest.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438549458
48991611,49004197,2015-08-02 21:07:27,">>49003162
>You can't conflate how a thought is experienced in third person
Should be *first person",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438549647
48991611,49004251,2015-08-02 21:08:37,">>49004036
>If there were infinite universes, then there must be infinite possibilities
Wrong",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438549717
48991611,49004320,2015-08-02 21:10:30,">>49003695
good and evil are baby food for morons. true Judaism aka the kabal refuses such infantile notions. positive and negative force are eternal, they do not fight one another desperately they live in harmony",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438549830
48991611,49004837,2015-08-02 21:23:18,">>49003695
You honestly sound like an Atheism+ shill",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438550598
48991611,49004967,2015-08-02 21:26:18,">>49004837
Does Atheism+ even exist, other than a tiny movement that was defunct as soon as it started other than an ebic strawman in the mind of religious posters that think someone can come back from the dead or fly up to heaven on a winged horse?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438550778
48991611,49005683,2015-08-02 21:43:26,">>49004967
Atheism+ was an attempt to turn the atheists into a community that help more beliefs than God's non-existence. Which is what is see here 
>>49002053
>On the whole the tone is far, far too negative. If we 'win' and beat theism we also must decide the new world view.
And here 
>I want our atheism to have a positive tone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438551806
48991611,49005704,2015-08-02 21:43:54,">>49005683
>help
Held",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438551834
48991611,49005738,2015-08-02 21:44:48,">>48991611
this picture is offensive to all islam, delete your thread because you cant post that",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438551888
48991611,49005739,2015-08-02 21:44:52,">>49005683
Yeah, could you knock that shit out, Outerlimits?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438551892
48991611,49006246,2015-08-02 21:56:31,,,Anonymous,1438551320251.jpg,b1s191U8OaHsZdnghNv69g==,US,,1438552591
48991611,49006426,2015-08-02 22:00:49,">>49004837
I didn't even know what atheism+ was until people talked about it. I am hyper conservative. I believe no races, genders, or sexual orientations are equal and that every state should have concealed carry and 30 round magazines.
>>49005739
I'll clarify my point. I am really not interested in turning atheism into a morality. Atheism is starting point with many roads.
What I am interpreted is how we are perceived, that's a marketing point, marketing isn't rational but it helps us win.
Personally I really do not like describing the world as 'filled with evil'. Replace evil with sin and it's a Christian perspective. I carried that perspective with for many years after I stopped being Christian, it wasn't until I got into philosophy that I was able to get rid of that. It's not that I think the world is rainbows and unicorns. I just view the world consequentially. War isn't 'evil' it's how you get stuff done.
Of course I can't really force my world view on the rest of the community.
As for this statement
""On the whole the tone is far, far too negative. If we 'win' and beat theism we also must decide the new world view.""
I probably mistated it. Like it or not we are deciding 4chan's atheist's community's culture. For instance our community already sort of decided that personal attacks on Christians (ie our version of le epic hat picture) are not a very high priority. Some people made some pictures making fun of dumb Christians and they never really caught on.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438552849
48991611,49006704,2015-08-02 22:08:51,">>49006426
>Personally I really do not like describing the world as 'filled with evil'
Not what I'm claiming at all. There is much good in the world, and it is a result of good people. And we can all be good people, and we should all strive for it. 
I would think any decent human being, not just atheists, would use some other method besides natural selection to create his people. That's where my point is. Not that the world is inherently evil, or there is no goodness but escapism. I'm just saying, God had a choice. And the methods that happened are what he chose. And those are things we shouldn't choose, and shouldn't expect a loving God to choose.",,Anonymous,1438551394655.jpg,nsw9CyFAFD5RbclcGWI/HQ==,US,,1438553331
48991611,49007014,2015-08-02 22:16:56,">>48995837
the universe is magical and infinite on it's own, no god created it. nothing created it, it just is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438553816
48991611,49007077,2015-08-02 22:18:46,">>49007014
Yeah, I think that too. I think the multiverse theory does a pretty good job of explaining things too",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438553926
48991611,49007516,2015-08-02 22:30:32,">>49004251
While I understand that there are varying levels of infinite, ie infinite even numbers, odd, and the set that contains both is larger than either, how is that statement wrong?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438554632
48991611,49007690,2015-08-02 22:34:48,">>49007516
Saying The Lord of the Rings happened because there are infinite universes is like saying there is a 12 in the set of odd numbers because it is infinite",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438554888
48991611,49007744,2015-08-02 22:36:20,">>49007690
So every universe just happened on the odd scale? Every single one is just a lifeless expanse of nothing?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438554980
48991611,49007884,2015-08-02 22:39:39,">>49007744
I'm just saying that not all possible universes exist just because there are infinitely many. 
Maybe LOTR did happen in some universe, but maybe it didn't. Infinite universes wouldn't prove it did",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438555179
48991611,49008090,2015-08-02 22:44:48,">>49007077
Multi-verse has very little evidence. I wouldn't push it too much. A simplier explanation is just that an unstable uniform would reform itself until it formed something stable. Or that you might ask why mathemics is 'consistent' and 2+2 always equal 4 instead of 12.
>>49006704
There is nothing WRONG with your essay. I think a lot of the points are very poor, as in I wouldn't use them against smarter theists.
Going back to the tone again you want to hit people on the fence, who do not have a firm beleif in atheism or Christianity. From a marketing perspective the essay looks kind of cruel and whiny. But again this is marketing, not rationality.
I tend to approach atheism from a very different perspective. Like when I say Hitchens debate theists I thought ""Well he is correct but those seems like strange points to cover"" I also sort of assume Christians are not idiots when I talk to them. Using metaphysics to argue God is a fucking disaster. The best argument they have is to argue for purely cultural or moralistic reasons for their religion.
A fun thing to add might be asking how the hell God's ratioanlity makes sense with pre-human ancesotrs. The whole concept of free-will, souls, and sins gets fucked up.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438555488
48991611,49008184,2015-08-02 22:46:40,">>48995886
We wouldn't be if Islam wasn't so Iconoclastic to begin with",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438555600
48991611,49008367,2015-08-02 22:51:55,">>49008090
>an unstable uniform would reform itself until it formed something stable
That doesn't have any explanatory power, because there are infinitely many universes that are stable that can't support life. (also that theory has as much evidence as multiverse, except multiverse has explanatory power)
>There is nothing WRONG with your essay. I think a lot of the points are very poor, as in I wouldn't use them against smarter theists.
It's just a list to get the list started. I'm sorry if you personally don't feel they are relevant to you, I'm sure they are relevant to a lot of other people though.
>A fun thing to add might be asking how the hell God's ratioanlity makes sense with pre-human ancesotrs.
Then add that point, and any other ones you want. Then upload it to the pastebin please. I want an all-in-one resource I can point to when someone needs it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438555915
48991611,49008537,2015-08-02 22:56:12,">>49008367
How do you feel about shortening it?
If you look what I've written so far a lot of it is brief so it can be easily copy-pasted (Nietzsche being an exception because it's not really meant to be copy-pasted. Might also axe some of the pointless things in Religion's profiles like their trend)",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438556172
48991611,49008678,2015-08-02 22:59:47,">>49008537
Considering how many questions I've had to answer for you, the only reasonable thing I could do to it is lengthen it. I can expand on the individual points later to make them stronger, and perhaps show people individual points as a 4chan reply. But as a whole, I think it needs to stay as an all-in-one paste for people that need to see a bunch of good reasons up-front.
I'm also working on writing a lengthy response to the ""free will"" argument Christians give.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438556387
48991611,49008714,2015-08-02 23:00:47,https://vimeo.com/113818438,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438556447
48991611,49008717,2015-08-02 23:00:54,">>48992292
>If there is only one universe than statistically God must exist.
i guess this is a fact because you say so?",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1438556454
48991611,49008772,2015-08-02 23:02:12,">>49008714
pls don't bomb us",,Anonymous,1438551211653.jpg,lXRXiHmHGVuADRgs0xh1+Q==,US,,1438556532
48991611,49008875,2015-08-02 23:05:07,">>49008678
Do atheists believe in free will? I feel like they shouldnt",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438556707
48991611,49008922,2015-08-02 23:06:29,">>49008875
Define free will.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438556789
48991611,49008955,2015-08-02 23:07:14,How does it feel to know that islam is slowly taking over the world by immigration and breeding?,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438556834
48991611,49008989,2015-08-02 23:08:08,">>49008875
in a practical sense i do, but i think ""free will"" is hard to define and can be considered something of a philosophical paradox, but im not sure, maybe someone else knows better",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1438556888
48991611,49009154,2015-08-02 23:12:44,">>49008875
If they know their science and are truly scientific materialists then they don't. But most athiests are dumb fedoras as we know so... muh freewill! muh dualism!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438557164
48991611,49009158,2015-08-02 23:12:47,">>49008875
Daniel Dennett and Julian Baggini(both Atheists) do believe in free will though their versions of it are the compatabilistic one. Jean Paul Sartre believes in a libertarian notion of it. 
Christians should they want to defend the notion that God isn't the author of sin have to go for a libertarian one. They must however solve the issue of foreknowledge and free will should they want to do that. 
For the Atheist we can go anywhere we want on the free will spectrum to no free will, compatabilism to libertarianism.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438557167
48991611,49009315,2015-08-02 23:16:00,">>49008875
I believe in a compatabilistic free will, it's the only sensible kind",,Anonymous,fedora_bewbs.png,FDiUCNoTU70YzQGs1Uqbzg==,US,,1438557360
48991611,49009351,2015-08-02 23:16:41,">>49009158
But the universe is deterministic, so how do humans escape that fact?
>>49008922
When you shitpost is it your choice, or predetermined based on the initial conditions of the universe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438557401
48991611,49009544,2015-08-02 23:20:32,">>49009351
My choice, obviously.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438557632
48991611,49009550,2015-08-02 23:20:37,">>49008678
It needs to be short enoug so that people will read it. Our paste bins that have short consie messages get lots of views.
I find that after I rewrite something I can reduce it's length by 50 or 75%.
>>49008875
It varies. I do. Some don't. Some think the question is nonsense.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438557637
48991611,49009633,2015-08-02 23:22:34,">>49009544
If I had laplace's demon shouldn't I be able to tell you exactly what you were going to say next?
Why, according to you, can I not?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438557754
48991611,49009685,2015-08-02 23:23:45,">>49009351
Compatabilism. 
Even then, there are those libertarians who would use ""muh quantum mechanics"" argument but the indeterminacy of the quantum world do give support to this the problem is that there are multiple interpretations of QM so we have no clarity until future breakthroughs shows us otherwise. 
For a model of libertarian free will to work it have to acknowledge some form of determinism(it cannot be hard determinism) and actually leave room for the unconscious to act. Benjamin Libet does this with his ""free won't"" given his infamous experiment that many would point out disprove free will.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438557825
48991611,49009696,2015-08-02 23:23:56,">>49009550
Well, the pastebin should have two types of content:
1. Short things that get lots of views, that increase our ideas in popularity. This is important for people just starting to look at atheism.
2. More in-depth pastes that delve into complex and nuanced subjects. We don't want a bunch of reddit-tier atheists running around with only superficial knowledge from a couple bullet-points we wrote.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438557836
48991611,49009738,2015-08-02 23:24:53,">>49009633
That's impossible that though.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438557893
48991611,49009778,2015-08-02 23:26:00,">>49009738
>>49009633
Read up http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438557960
48991611,49009954,2015-08-02 23:29:54,">>49009696
The in depth things can be provided by youtube videos.
I should actually remodel our entire youtube section and group them into categories.
For instance if we need an argument against a very broad topic we can easily find it in the video section.
The Religious profile section will deal with quick bullet points that can be copy-pasted
The discussion religion section is still down because I can't seem to find a real use for it.
I should really stop being lazy and make these changes. If anyone wants to help categorize the youtube videoes that would be great. I haven't watched most of em.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438558194
48991611,49009992,2015-08-02 23:30:59,">>49009685
I have no proof, but I feel like even sub atomic particles must be deterministic, only you could never accurately measure them due to uncertainty. Just because they have unusual properties according to classical mechanics, doesn't mean they have no laws governing their behavior at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438558259
48991611,49010008,2015-08-02 23:31:21,">>49009954
>If anyone wants to help categorize the youtube videoes that would be great.
They already are http://pastebin.com/cBWT61gj
>The in depth things can be provided by youtube videos.
Please be joking...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438558281
48991611,49010133,2015-08-02 23:34:34,">>49010008
>http://pastebin.com/cBWT61gj
Does that one have all the old videos? If it does im sorry i missed that, i assumed they were new ones?
Also whats the difference between food for thought and critical analysis?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438558474
48991611,49010301,2015-08-02 23:39:13,"Anyone feel sad for religion sometimes?
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1438568671095.png
Catholicism is like the most respectable type of Christianity: cathedrals, marble statues, the good crusades.
Now it's a sick dog.
Protestantism is even worst. I'm seeing more and more David Ike style thinking going on. I met a guy in Christian general that was asking if New Age is compatible with the religion.
Christianity is losing it's dignity, which is all the more reason to end it.",,OuterLimits,1438568671095.png,MtlcdzeSyDn8iBLK2/VojA==,US,,1438558753
48991611,49010343,2015-08-02 23:40:23,">>49010133
Food for thought is a mish-mash of different things, mostly just insightful. They skim the surface of many subjects to get you thinking.
Critical analysis is much more in-depth, and teaches about looking at claims critically.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438558823
48991611,49010367,2015-08-02 23:40:53,">>49010133
>Does that one have all the old videos?
It has some of them, I kind of scrapped the old list.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438558853
48991611,49010377,2015-08-02 23:41:12,">>49009992
True but the problem is that we are left not knowing for now. Future breakthroughs would either break the indeterminism that one can currently interpret in the behavior of sub atomic particles or would prove that the universe is deterministic to the core. 
For now we are just left in the dark about this while free will skeptics, compatabilists and libertarians squabble off against one another.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438558872
48991611,49010493,2015-08-02 23:44:21,">>48991611
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwY36a19aQ",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438559061
48991611,49010798,2015-08-02 23:52:40,">>49010493
Incredibly stupid. He says that deep thought disproves determinism. 
Then he throws in quantum mechanics like he understands the subject. Total bullshit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438559560
48991611,49010801,2015-08-02 23:52:41,">>49010301
Yeah, particularly for Catholicism. 
Masses prior to the Vatican 2 council was nice and liturgically rich. Now it's just shit with the embrace of Hillsong concert worship. Here's a little something I got after my Confirmation into the Catholic Church when I was around 15,
Teacher: How did you feel at the conference?
Me: Empty 
Teacher: You better watch out and pray more
Why I say ""empty"" eventhough I was a theist at the time was simple. The whole conference is simply a trip to a Pentecostal service. There's the crap speaking in tongues, concert worship, faith healing crap and at one point it felt like clubbing in a Christian nightclub or something. One girl who was a devout cried and rolled all over the floor as the facilitators prayed for the Holy Spirit to go into her. When they got to me though, after spending about a minute or so praying they simply lay me on the floor since I didn't fall down and get drenched with Salvation all over my face as I start pleasing Jesus while rolling on the floor. 
To be fair to my teacher, I did feel that something is trying to get inside me when that shit happened, probably because of the atmosphere and how nervous I'm at the time. 
Anyways, how's a typical service at your former church like?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438559561
48991611,49010956,2015-08-02 23:56:19,">>49010801
Damn, I experienced something very similar to that at a Steubenville retreat. That's pretty much where I lost all of my faith in the church and God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438559779
48991611,49011071,2015-08-02 23:59:04,">>49010493
From what I've heard of him Sam Harris is an idiot. Didn't he write a book talking about how the enlightening power of drugs?
Strictly speaking to answer whether you have free will we must define who YOU is. A cold atheists would say there is no 'you' there is only a biological machine, that you have no self. I would say your biological machine IS yourself. A Christian would tell you that you are a soul and your biological machine is your prison.
With some of these answers the question of free will is nonsense. If there is no 'you' than the question cannot even be asked 'do YOU have free will'
On the philosophical side Schopenhauer would tell we do have free and that will is the basis for how the world is formed. Nietzsche would add that how 'free' one is determined by how powerful one is. The powerful control the weak and the strong one's will becomes the weak one's will.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438559944
48991611,49011294,2015-08-03 00:04:56,">>49011071
>A cold atheists would say there is no 'you' there is only a biological machine, that you have no self. I would say your biological machine IS yourself.
Usually when the subject of ""you"" vs ""your body"" is brought up it is an argument about whether there is something that is ""you"" BESIDES your body. Descartes would think there is, Hume would say there isn't. I see you agree with Hume",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438560296
48991611,49011314,2015-08-03 00:05:28,">>49009351
>When you shitpost is it your choice, or predetermined based on the initial conditions of the universe?
both duh?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438560328
48991611,49011481,2015-08-03 00:09:53,">>49010956
Well it haven't really taken away my faith in the Church and God since I was quite aware that the Church wasn't always as cucked as this. It is only when I was around 18 or so that I started questioning it and ironically I guess...at a Christian college.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438560593
48991611,49011810,2015-08-03 00:18:33,">>49010801
I haven't been back to my church since there was a funeral held there but I've walked by it. There's a lot more Mexicans going in.
There were some truly terrible songs to sing. The youth groups I went to were fucking day care centers. Adult sermons I don't remember any of them other than that I didn't like them. The rituals were fucking creepy. I remember when I got baptized I thought I was in a horror movie.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438561113
48991611,49012492,2015-08-03 00:36:55,">>49011810
Beyond Sunday School and that crap conference, I never really bothered to get too involved in Church activities other than go there and pray that I'll get a gf(or some important shit to go out well) and I'm done. 
Even my own Catholic mother probably felt this was as well. She only goes to Church whenever I have exams or some important stuff to pray that it turns out well.
I never sing. But I guess you can sing me a lullaby if you want.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438562215
48991611,49012855,2015-08-03 00:46:48,">>49012492
>But I guess you can sing me a lullaby if you want.
Here you go
>>49011810
pastebin needs updating, perhaps give me the password to it so I can help maintain it? Or I could make my own but I'd rather keep everything centralized",,Anonymous,1438573983247.jpg,EYrEFZ20z587icwlu8Goqg==,US,,1438562808
48991611,49012962,2015-08-03 00:49:39,">>49012855
That last line should be 'Shlomo's tribe shall not be found'",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438562979
48991611,49012981,2015-08-03 00:50:13,">>49012855
Nice. I can now sleep soundly at night :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438563013
48991611,49013043,2015-08-03 00:51:55,">tfw I tell people I'm non-religious because it sounds less threatening than just flat out saying saying atheist 
anyone else do this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438563115
48991611,49013233,2015-08-03 00:57:23,">>49012492
you are very kawaii
>>49012855
Since you are going to be writing several issues just make another bin (or overbin). I'll link your overbin/bins in the main one.
This will give you more control over what you write.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438563443
48991611,49013375,2015-08-03 01:02:23,">>49013233
k
night fellas",,Anonymous,dawkins_general.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1438563743
48991611,49015322,2015-08-03 01:55:05,">>49013233
You too OuterLimits-chan :3
Arguing with you makes my heart go kungkungdae",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438566905
48991611,49017240,2015-08-03 03:00:16,">>48991611
If you're going to mock the Prophet don't use the photo of his Son in law.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438570816
48991611,49017351,2015-08-03 03:03:25,">>49015322
Just stay away from maple-syrup!!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438571005
48991611,49020150,2015-08-03 04:44:20,">>49011071
>I would say your biological machine IS yourself.
Exactly.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438577060
48991611,49020166,2015-08-03 04:44:58,WHATS GOING ON HERE,,Anonymous,MMMMMMMMMMM.webm,/Kq7Pmvwf0jDbdvMS7KLaw==,GB,,1438577098
48991611,49020218,2015-08-03 04:46:49,">free will
who /Libet/ here?
if you don't know about this experiment already then you should
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet#Volitional_acts_and_readiness_potential
http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/libet_experiments.html",,Anonymous,article-2325789-1996CBF2000005DC-188_634x1018.jpg,5BtIIFXkXj8i331WsBQuCg==,GB,,1438577209
48991611,49020408,2015-08-03 04:55:26,">>49020218
Me. 
Personally the best model for libertarian free will seems to be those two stage ones.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438577726
48991611,49020481,2015-08-03 04:58:43,">>49020218
>>49020408
From a purely consiequential standpoint you should be in favor of free-will.
Whatever the truth is, it is that way whether we beleive it or not.
But the world seems a lot shittier if you do not beleive in free will. Currently there are zero downsides to beleiving in free will so you might as well pick with what makes you feel bad-ass.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438577923
48991611,49020855,2015-08-03 05:15:40,">>49020481
Yeah I guess so. 
In an absurd world, it's feels better to have control over something rather than be a mere puppet on a string, even if the puppeteer doesn't have intelligence.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438578940
48991611,49021433,2015-08-03 05:43:19,"Is it just me, or is this the only thread to use a serif font on /pol/?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438580599
48991611,49021658,2015-08-03 05:54:35,">Pao shitstorm goes on at reddit
>Mass reddit exodus heads to /b/
>They totally didn't go to other boards
>The timing of these generals is completely a coincidence, the religious threads were getting obnoxious.
>COINCIDENCE
>WE ARE NOT REDDITORS",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438581275
48991611,49021669,2015-08-03 05:55:14,">>49021658
Forgot pic",,Anonymous,Killyourself.jpg,xIPVfBese9Ik74i+JQ+U4g==,RO,,1438581314
48991611,49021834,2015-08-03 06:03:07,">>49021658
Before the Pao thing happened there were already a ton of atheist threads they just didn't have a general.
I've never been to Reddit but I am imagine their largest demograph is going to be Christians, not atheists, like every other website. They are just going to liberal Christians which /pol/ seems to think doesn't exist.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438581787
48991611,49022013,2015-08-03 06:10:04,">>49021834
>Reddit
>Christian
Reddit has had r/atheism as one of the basic subreddits for years. It's an openly cucktheist site.
You are delusional to think that it is anything but a conglomeration of fedoras.
Also, daily reminder to sage when posting in this reddit shithole.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438582204
48991611,49022148,2015-08-03 06:16:51,">>49022013
>cucktheist
Is that a theist that practices cuckolding. Like your wife has sex with a nigger and the paster tells you to raise the child as your own because abortion is like a sin and the child is like God's gift? They actually do that you know.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438582611
48991611,49022174,2015-08-03 06:18:05,">>49022148
>pastor
Also, it's pastor you illiterate nigger.
If you actually bash on Christianity for the shittery of Protestant Chruches I pity your poor souls.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438582685
48991611,49022350,2015-08-03 06:24:44,">>49022174
He can't help it- religion in the USA is a joke, it's become another political pin.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438583084
48991611,49022360,2015-08-03 06:25:06,"Religion is opium of the people.
Theists are faggots.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1438583106
48991611,49022392,2015-08-03 06:26:27,">>49022174
you seem a bit salty. Is it that time of the month?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,tmpYz9Bi0.jpg,NSklD4p1l+k3erbm9GIJig==,CA,,1438583187
48991611,49022425,2015-08-03 06:27:38,">>49022360
Woah Marx top epin because I assume you have an infailible brand of communism right up your sleeve, don't you?
>>49022350
That's protestantism for you.
>>49022392
>Tripfag
>Impact : the reddit meme font
Are you even trying? Are you people honestly believing we don't know you are redditors?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438583258
48991611,49022462,2015-08-03 06:29:07,">>49022425
0/10
I only use reddit for /r/tumblrinaction but thats about it. Why are you so angry?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438583347
48991611,49022476,2015-08-03 06:29:34,">>49022462
fucking trip always turns itself off",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438583374
48991611,49022501,2015-08-03 06:30:24,">>49022392
Know Your Meme unveils this as a reddit/imgur meme. Color me surprised.
>>49022462
Half the fuckers here are redditors that are shitting up this board with their SJW-in-denial attitudes.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438583424
48991611,49022502,2015-08-03 06:30:25,">>49022462
Come on Canada bro, its kinda cool to see Vlad here impaling the US and Russia both, let him be for now.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438583425
48991611,49022549,2015-08-03 06:32:36,">>49022501
i literally just google image searched salty meme the other day. Your tears are pretty delicious though, are you going to keep crying for us?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438583556
48991611,49022576,2015-08-03 06:33:28,">>49022350
Religion is stronger in the USA than any 1st world country. Virtually every state has a huge Christianity majority.
I always assumed it was on the verge of death in Europe, except for Islam.
How are your numbers looking in Europe?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438583608
48991611,49022593,2015-08-03 06:34:11,">>48991611
>Atheist
I hope that you will enjoy the depths of hell,pal.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438583651
48991611,49022625,2015-08-03 06:35:43,">>49022549
Nice try, tripfag.
You try to be so special snowflake on an anonymous fucking messaging board, how do you expect me not to consider you a redditard?
>>49022576
Western Europe is degenerate as fuck. Slavs are the only hope for western civilization.
As long as atheism doesn't spread there. Once East Europe turns atheist western civilization will soon die out.",,Redditor Redskin Rekker,,,RO,,1438583743
48991611,49022628,2015-08-03 06:35:52,">>49022593
Oh no. Not magic fireland.
Sounds scary.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438583752
48991611,49022643,2015-08-03 06:36:33,">>49022628
Ahmed, please.
Sharia kills those that turn from Islam.",,Redditor Redskin Rekker,,,RO,,1438583793
48991611,49022653,2015-08-03 06:37:04,">>49022625
how am i a special snowflake? i havent even said anything about myself. This trip was given to me from members of the catholic/christianity general. Your new is showing and its kind of embarrassing.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438583824
48991611,49022676,2015-08-03 06:37:52,">>49022653
It's pretty retarded regardless of who gave it; I'd deny it if I was offered one.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438583872
48991611,49022731,2015-08-03 06:39:57,">>49022643
Angry Muslim detected.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438583997
48991611,49022732,2015-08-03 06:39:57,">>49022676
I thought it was cute. Im not sure why your panties are in a knot but theres no reason to be so hostile all the time silly.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438583997
48991611,49022771,2015-08-03 06:41:43,">>49022628
>Magic fireland
Trust me,it's anything but ""Magic"" for degenerate scums like you.
>>49022643
It's for the best.
That way we saved them from throwing their dumbass selves straight into hell.",,Anonymous,1342211567123s.jpg,nd4YVyJSdE2ccxyB6Fap4Q==,EG,,1438584103
48991611,49022801,2015-08-03 06:43:00,">>49022771
You know Egypt, I was going to feel sorry for you because your country is going to shit because of sharia and muslim extremists, but since you seem to want it so badly well, i guess you deserve it.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438584180
48991611,49022813,2015-08-03 06:43:26,">>49022732
>There's no need to be hostile all the time
Your thread is literally an attack on Christian generals. It can only be aggressive.
>>49022731
Ahmed pls.
They are behind you.
>>49022771
As long as we don't have any more fuckers unironically being proud of atheism on /pol/ you are good.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438584206
48991611,49022842,2015-08-03 06:44:21,">>49022771
>Trust me,it's anything but ""Magic"" for degenerate scums like you.
I don't see any particular reason to trust you about magic fireland, you're the kind of person that thinks a wizard flew up to heaven on a horse with wings.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438584261
48991611,49022864,2015-08-03 06:45:10,"What do atheists offer as an alternative to the system of moral behavior that religion offers? 
Every argument that I've seen from atheists is based around pointing out various reasons for why it seems unrealistic to believe that a god exists, but if you aren't going to replace the social purpose of religion with something equal or superior then what is the point of trying to dismantle religion? For this reason I have a hard time seeing atheists as anything more than a kind of social arsonist that just runs in and tries to torch the building but has no intention of building anything to replace it. He either just wants to watch it all burn or he's so fixated on the true or false aspect of the existence of god that he doesn't see how it really doesn't matter if god is real.
Personally, I don't care if god exists or not. It's of no importance to me whatsoever. What is important to me though is how religion is an extremely useful tool in maintaining stability, control, and social cohesion within a society and how it's very useful for reinforcing moral behavior within a society.",,Anonymous,1438127763998.jpg,2HSaswYn8yunN1RxM7n5Fg==,US,,1438584310
48991611,49022869,2015-08-03 06:45:15,">>49022813
>Vlad fails to see he is being baited deliberately.
>mfw he's going to go around impaling us all.",,Anonymous,I&#039;m out....gif,xw5lABxpWxIoGRW2LUOCRQ==,AU,,1438584315
48991611,49022877,2015-08-03 06:45:21,">>49022813
>Your thread
my thread? my thread? but iv only just started posting in the last 10 minutes or so. I dont even come here that often. How silly of you to assume im even an atheist.
If you are unable to debate ideas and such without resorting to petty name calling i suggest you visit tumblr as you would fit in much better.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438584321
48991611,49022916,2015-08-03 06:46:56,">>49022864
>What do atheists offer as an alternative to the system of moral behavior that religion offers? 
Nothing. The most atheistic nation that is also conservative is The Czech Republic and the women are whores and people are degenerate as fuck when it comes to drugs.
>>49022877
""Your"" refers to both singular and plural possesors, retard.
>>49022869
For western civilization, lad.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438584416
48991611,49023000,2015-08-03 06:50:24,">>49022916
Once again you are still assuming i am an atheist when i have not even said anything about my beliefs. I could worship satan or Cthulu for all you know. Making assumptions just makes you seem unintelligent.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438584624
48991611,49023007,2015-08-03 06:50:34,">>49022864
Religion is clearly no good for creating and enforcing morals. Romania, for example, is the second most religious nation in the EU and they are known throughout the continent as its worst criminals.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438584634
48991611,49023033,2015-08-03 06:51:27,">>49023007
Isn't that because of the Gypsies? 
Also, keep the shitstorm brewing Romania. This is pure enjoyment.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438584687
48991611,49023035,2015-08-03 06:51:30,">>49022625
It's going to everywhere in the first world. This is unavoidable: God of Gaps is real
God is needed less and less to explain the natural world. 
And no 'degeneracy' is not caused by lack of religion. Even if you magically converted 100% of europe to Christians they would just be degenerate Christians. Only a change in value systems can fix degeneracy and it needs to come from something stronger than God, god himself is dead.
>>49022593
Hell is where all my friends are.
>>49022643
Why don't you do go Allah Akbar yourself.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438584690
48991611,49023061,2015-08-03 06:52:46,">>49023000
>Worshipping Satan
Tumblr-kun, I...
>>49023007
One thing you get wrong is that the criminals are either gypsies or youngsters.
Our youngsters are basically retards that browse shit like reddit and 9gag all day, get drunk and act degenerate as fuck. They bash on religion because it's hip.
High crime rate in Romania is done by fedora atheists, not otherwise.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438584766
48991611,49023094,2015-08-03 06:54:06,">>49023033
Our Malay friend has a point- if Romania did not have gippos, it would have much less crime.
Kind of like the US and niggers TBH.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438584846
48991611,49023128,2015-08-03 06:55:03,">>49023061
>I keep forgetting to sage
FUCK
ME",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438584903
48991611,49023131,2015-08-03 06:55:04,">>49022801
>Country is going to shit because of Sharia and Muslim Extremists.
To be honest with you,I don't see it going to shit at all. Yes,the previous 4 years were a pain in the ass but everything is back to normal.
>>49022842
Something like the ""Wizard flew up to heaven on a horse with wings"" is actually going to happen at the end of times,btw,except that this wizard will be Jesus Son Of Mary and he is not going to fly up to heaven,he is going to descend from heaven.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438584904
48991611,49023134,2015-08-03 06:55:07,">>49022864
This is a valid point and it's actually something that worries me. Atheists are going to win, it's unavoidable. Science killed God.
The question is what type of atheist should we make. I follow Nietzsche-sempai and wrote a pretty lengthy summary of his world view in our bin. Some other guy wrote up something on some philosophy called Secular Humanism, doesn't seem very developed but it's good to see other atheists getting into philosophy.
Philosophy, culture, and spiritualism (the real stuff not the hippy junk) are essential for our future.
Do I have time to talk to you about our Lord, the Overman?",,OuterLimits,ku-xlarge2.jpg,GuyUq2RPdK8flbKyymRIBQ==,US,,1438584907
48991611,49023192,2015-08-03 06:56:59,">>49023131
Hello Coptic friend. Hope the muslims left your people alone in the recent troubles.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438585019
48991611,49023195,2015-08-03 06:57:10,">>49023131
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/egypt/index.html
According to this its still pretty shitty but i don't live there so its hard to tell.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438585030
48991611,49023203,2015-08-03 06:57:42,">>49023094
>Our Malay friend has a point
I am not Malay Aussie-kun :)
Also stop bullying OuterLimits-chan Romania. Go purge some Gypsies or something.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438585062
48991611,49023245,2015-08-03 06:58:56,">>49023131
>Something like the ""Wizard flew up to heaven on a horse with wings"" is actually going to happen at the end of times,btw,except that this wizard will be Jesus Son Of Mary and he is not going to fly up to heaven,he is going to descend from heaven.
Don't forget the sea monster and the three headed dragon.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438585136
48991611,49023249,2015-08-03 06:59:04,">>49023203
>I am not Malay
Well, you are IN Malaysia, how am I to know?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438585144
48991611,49023261,2015-08-03 06:59:42,">>49023249
>trip name is overseas malaysia fag
IDK ITS ALMOST LIKE THERES THIS GIANT CLUE",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438585182
48991611,49023267,2015-08-03 06:59:47,">>49023192
>Coptic
 
What the fuck did you just call me?",,Anonymous,125326267.png,m26IDADRnzHYkwqjlVAQuA==,EG,,1438585187
48991611,49023276,2015-08-03 07:00:02,">>49023245
>Being this edgy a fedora.
English, please, the grown-ups were talking...",,Anonymous,soedgyithurts.jpg,LDBnWytq3whYvjaI8zwFXA==,AU,,1438585202
48991611,49023299,2015-08-03 07:00:39,">>49023245
>Implying the Epic of Gilgamesh, The Norse Fagdda or other pagan shit is better than that.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438585239
48991611,49023303,2015-08-03 07:00:52,">>49023267
Do you follow the teachings of the pedophile, con man, and mass murderer known as muhammad?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438585252
48991611,49023329,2015-08-03 07:01:59,">>49023299
Kind of the point.
>>49023276
Not read the Book of Revelation then?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438585319
48991611,49023350,2015-08-03 07:03:14,">>49023249
Malays are a race. Not every Malaysian is Malay.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438585394
48991611,49023356,2015-08-03 07:03:38,">>49023267
Let's see, you seem to have an understanding of Christianity, yet live in Egypt. It seemed the logical thing. You could try to explain, rather than breaking out the C4.
Otherwise, as >>49023303 said, do you follow the Tattooine guy?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438585418
48991611,49023375,2015-08-03 07:04:16,">>49023276
He's right though. Religion has crazy stuff, you just take it for granted because it's your cultural norm.
Islam literally believes in flying donkeys. 
A few thousand years ago it would have been completely normal to think that there existed flying horses. Apollo uses them to raise the sun in his chariot every morning!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438585456
48991611,49023378,2015-08-03 07:04:21,">>49023245
There will be no sea monster or three headed dragon.
But there will be the so-called ""False Messiah""
He is,basically,the real life Sauron. He can change the weather,go as fast as the wind,revive and will conquer the world n some other shit except the cities Mecca,Medina and Jerusalem. And he will be defeated by an army led by Jesus Christ which consists of the last true Muslims on earth,walking trees and alot of shit when he tries to conquer Jerusalem.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438585461
48991611,49023401,2015-08-03 07:05:22,">>49023329
Leviathan is not a sea monster, nor is there a dragon- it is described as an allegorical ""beast"".
>>49023350
Thanks for clarifying, and yes, I now do see your trip name, now that Canada has pointed it out.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438585522
48991611,49023422,2015-08-03 07:05:51,">>49023375
Greek mythology contains flying horses!
Let's drop this priceless fragment of Westen Civilization because simplifying it to the max makes it sound stupid.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438585551
48991611,49023429,2015-08-03 07:06:05,">>49023378
wait wait wait. whoah calm down... you don't.. actually believe this nonsense do you?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438585565
48991611,49023430,2015-08-03 07:06:08,">>49023303
>Pedophile
>con man
>Mass murderer
Stop believing what the Jews are trying to make you believe,please.",,Anonymous,1300044776986.jpg,CLrJhS8uaXl/BTHwCrFKWg==,EG,,1438585568
48991611,49023473,2015-08-03 07:08:01,">>49023429
I do,actually.
This ""False Messiah"" has been mentioned several times by our Prophet Muhammad and he warned us about him more than once.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438585681
48991611,49023479,2015-08-03 07:08:12,">>49023375
Don't forget the scarab Khepri and also Ra.... honestly, it must be like a football match over that sun each day...
>>49023430
Well, Mohamad _WAS_ 46 when he married Aisha, and she _WAS_ 9 when he deflowered her.... otherwise, what would you call that?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438585692
48991611,49023480,2015-08-03 07:08:20,">>49023422
The difference is the Greeks were fucking bad-ass and contributed a lot to culture.
Islam's culture is dogshit. That scribbling of lines you call 'art' would be put on the FRAME of a painting.
They culturally peaked in the Moors (aka when they borrowed the white man's culture)and have been going down hill ever since. They haven't invented anything since than.
Middle east is a fucking trash heap and the only reason anyone cares it even exists is because they were lucky enough to be sitting on oil.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438585700
48991611,49023485,2015-08-03 07:08:35,">>49023430
Actually all of it i got from reading the Quaran. Should i look up the exact verses where muhammad married a 9 year old, bathed with her, etc etc. I mean its literally in your own book. You have read it right... Why do you think child brides are so popular in muslim countries.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438585715
48991611,49023554,2015-08-03 07:12:04,">>49023378
>But there will be the so-called ""False Messiah""
>He is,basically,the real life Sauron. He can change the weather,go as fast as the wind,revive and will conquer the world n some other shit except the cities Mecca,Medina and Jerusalem. And he will be defeated by an army led by Jesus Christ which consists of the last true Muslims on earth,walking trees and alot of shit when he tries to conquer Jerusalem.
What a lovely story, will Frodo and Sam be there as well.
>>49023401
There is nothing about Revelation that suggests any of it is meant allegorically.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438585924
48991611,49023601,2015-08-03 07:13:53,">>49023422
>Greek mythology contains flying horses!
That's why they call it mythology and no one thinks of it as the actual truth.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438586033
48991611,49023618,2015-08-03 07:14:38,">>49023473
All these stuff about Prophet Muhammad actually reminded me of a little joke a friend and I made during history class during high school.
When the teacher was covering about how Muhammad and a friend(forgot name) of his spent a night in a cave which had a giant spider web or something covering the entrance, we joked how Muhammad and his friend had gay sex in the cave. 
Also we joked how Muhammad was actually smoking weed when he received his so called revelation from Jibril. 
Am I going to hell for this?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438586078
48991611,49023646,2015-08-03 07:15:45,">>49023554
>There is nothing about Revelation that suggests any of it is meant allegorically.
So I guess the repeated use of ""magical"" numbers is literal then? Like 7, 3, etc?
These were believed to hold ""holy"" or ""sacred"" power in 1st century Judaism, especially in the branch known as the Samaritans, who almost totally converted to Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438586145
48991611,49023648,2015-08-03 07:15:50,">>49023618
>Am I going to hell
its extremely unlikely that it exists, its even less likely that if you did go to hell that would be the reason.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438586150
48991611,49023654,2015-08-03 07:16:08,">>49023007
Crime is easy enough to discourage with a strong law enforcement presence though. The real usefulness that I see in religion as far as moral behavior is far more related to things within a society that fall outside of law enforcement. For example, promiscuity and hedonism are very bad for the long term health of society. Hedonists will typically only have one child, which is of course far below replacement rates, and it's very uncommon for them to have more than two children. These kinds of people will also wait a long time to have children because they will prioritize their own happiness and their career success over making a family and that age issue comes with a lot of problems.
>Women aged 35-39 are 31% more likely than women aged 25-29 to have a child with autism and women over age 40 are 77% more likely
Promiscuity destroys or at the very least destabilizes relationships, so that leads to an increase of single mothers. Broken homes create dysfunction like boys who become effeminate because they don't have a father figure, etc.
Attempting to correct these problems with heavy-handed law enforcement is just a recipe for disaster, but these problems can't be ignored either because whether it's the dysfunction of broken homes or if it's the pathetic birthrates, these are enormous problems with long term ramifications that can drive a nation straight into the ground. This is why religion is so important. Religion can deal with these social issues that are mostly untouchable by the law and it can apply pressure on the population to resist hedonism and promiscuity through religiously induced fear and shame. Atheism is just very weak on these issues because by its nature it comes with a kind of moral relativism that only recognizes clearly black and white moral issues like murder and theft but is ambivalent towards issues like infidelity and hedonism because these are things that are difficult to attack without the moral absolutes of religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438586168
48991611,49023659,2015-08-03 07:16:20,">>49023618
No. But Muhammad did.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438586180
48991611,49023663,2015-08-03 07:16:35,">>49023401
No probs m8. I used the trip name as a way to identify myself as Malaysian at /int/ when I was in the UK. Now I'm enjoying my sweet sweet summer break by shitposting :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438586195
48991611,49023668,2015-08-03 07:16:46,">>49023554
There will be no Frodo or Sam but there will be ""Al Mahdi Al Muntathar"" who will cleanse the world of all evil years before the arrival of the False Messiah.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438586206
48991611,49023728,2015-08-03 07:18:59,">>49023485
>>49023479
It was never mentioned in the original quran(you know,the one that you guys probably never read) that he had sexual intercourse with here,not even once.
even if he did,care to explain how she never gave birth?",,Anonymous,d63.jpg,SHjZMC+okVFKHigb7srTsw==,EG,,1438586339
48991611,49023732,2015-08-03 07:19:10,">>49023618
Someone with photoshooping skills find one of those arts of muhamid in the cave. Add in a ton of fucking weed, give him snoop dogg's head, and plaster 420 all over it.
Title it ""the Puff'it Muhammad""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438586350
48991611,49023741,2015-08-03 07:19:34,">>49023646
>The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438586374
48991611,49023790,2015-08-03 07:21:28,">>49023728
>marries a 9 year old
>doesnt have sex with her
yeah no. I cant tell at this point if you are literally retarded or just doing mental gymnastics. Your prophet is a pedo scum.",,Die-Cis-Scum,,,CA,,1438586488
48991611,49023829,2015-08-03 07:23:02,">>49023618
I am pretty sure that Allah will forgive you if you just say ""Astaghfiru Allah"" 3 times and not do it again, for Allah is greatly merciful.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438586582
48991611,49023830,2015-08-03 07:23:03,">>49023654
>no fun allowed
>women are baby factories
>we need to overpopulate the Earth
>people should be forced by social shame to stay in violent relationships
Sounds complete shit to be honest mate. You seem to want to turn your great country into Afghanistan.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438586583
48991611,49023837,2015-08-03 07:23:21,">>49023648
It could should Muhammad or the God of Catholicism be true. 
I read this in a book(Blackwell Introduction to Eastern Christianity) that Christian apologists living under Islamic rule would actually consider Muhammad to receive some kind of divine revelation(usually a message to ask the Arabs to give up Idolatry). Most likely, such is done so that they wouldn't piss their overlords off and get beheaded. 
>>49023659
Ok I guess. That was mainly meant for Egypt anon though to trigger him :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438586601
48991611,49023880,2015-08-03 07:25:03,">>49023829
If i ask Allah why he chose a pedophile to be his prophet what do you think his answer will be.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438586703
48991611,49023905,2015-08-03 07:25:48,">>49023668
Wasn't that the bad guy in temple of doom?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438586748
48991611,49023907,2015-08-03 07:25:50,">>49023790
He married her because Abu Bakr,her father and the prophets best friend asked him to do so because he knew that she will be safe in Muhammad's arms and also because he trusted him greatly.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438586750
48991611,49023932,2015-08-03 07:26:55,">>49023829
I just said the following three times,
""There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger."" 
My history teacher told me that should I recite this 3 times(maybe one is enough my mind's shady about this), it would entail that I become Muslim. 
Am I a Muslim now?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438586815
48991611,49023942,2015-08-03 07:27:24,">>49023907
Yes im sure her took very good care of her if what know what i mean ;) Deny it all you want mudslime, Muhammad is a pedophile and even a lot of muslims dont try to dent it anymore.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438586844
48991611,49023992,2015-08-03 07:29:02,">>49023907
Do you think I would fuck my best friend's daughter when she's only nine? Also as a bonus, my best friend would say that he knew she would be safe in my arms and trusted me. 
More importantly, would you?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438586942
48991611,49024032,2015-08-03 07:30:15,">>49023932
Yes,it is that simple. But you still have to do what Allah asked us to do in our life time including praying and doing the Ramadan.",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438587015
48991611,49024123,2015-08-03 07:33:48,">>49023992
If your friend was one who was always by your side,supported you no matter what,if you are as good-hearted as our Prophet,you wouldn't help but feel some guilt if you think about having sex with her",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438587228
48991611,49024199,2015-08-03 07:36:26,">>49023830
>You seem to want to turn your great country into Afghanistan.
That's what will happen if we don't do this though, and this is especially true for European countries who already have a very large percentage of Muslims that are outbreeding them.
As for overpopulation though, that issue has nothing to do with white westerners because the birthrate in these nations is just pathetic. I believe that every western European country currently has a birthrate below the bare minimum replacement rate of 2.1 and Germany has the lowest birthrate on the planet. Overpopulation is an issue in all of the worst places and overpopulation is something that should be actively fought against, but unless you want the world to be overflowing with extremely poor and illiterate Indians then it's not an issue that you can try to solve by lowering the white birth rate even lower than it already is. That's the problem with overpopulation that no one likes to mention. The successful first world people who should be procreating are not procreating while the poorest members of some of the filthiest countries on the planet are breeding like rabbits.
>people should be forced by social shame to stay in violent relationships
Where'd you get violent relationships from what I posted? Promiscuity is not something that happens because of violent relationships. The urge to be promiscuous in a relationship can come about for no reason other than that the relationship wasn't as exciting as it used to be. When people try to form relationships and families with no moral rules or guidelines for how you're supposed to behave in a relationship then they act impulsively and they form and break relationships left and right.",,Anonymous,population-crisis.jpg,UgQgwUX8GXN6biIx8h7oAw==,US,,1438587386
48991611,49024203,2015-08-03 07:36:36,">>49023942
Welp,I suppose you will continue to hold on to your opinions with a strong grip much like how Eblees(The leader of all devils ever) got a hold of your brain.
Enjoy hell kthxbai",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1438587396
48991611,49024224,2015-08-03 07:37:33,">>49023932
If you are I lost a lot of respect for you.
>>49023907
>>49023992
Some incite into Muslims. The Muslims are very similar to Jews.
Their holybook is very similar: 1 violent war god that tells his followers to go around raiding, utter hatred for those that do not believe, even the same fucking laws (Jews actually allow sex younger than 9 by the oldest laws but Jewish laws can be changed by Rabbis, Islamic laws can't)
They even debate like Jews, haggle like jews, scheme, and lie like Jews. They come from a similar place in the desert.
But they aren't as good as Jews. They are basically defective Jews. They aren't as smart, they aren't as clever, they arn't as good with money, they can't be bankers, lawyers, actors, directors, or comedians. They aren't as rich. They can't even FIGHT as good as the Jews (and Jews are fucking wimps) as evidenced by how all the Arabs in the world can't blow up 1 fucking bit of Zionist swamp land.",,OuterLimits,The laughing jew.gif,Tepgx7nFUnUGQNSLnHRCpQ==,US,,1438587453
48991611,49024310,2015-08-03 07:39:46,">>49024032
There's just one problem with that,
I recited that in front of my family during dinner and soon after I grabbed a piece of pork and ingested it without any guilty conscience whatsoever :)
>>49024123
I would actually go as far as to say, you wouldn't even have sex with her in the first place. How odd that the good hearted prophet of yours did and doesn't seem to have any qualms about it.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438587586
48991611,49024350,2015-08-03 07:41:14,">>49024199
This is just ignorance. The birth rate in India is dropping like a stone and has been for decades, they will be below replacement rate shortly as well. 
This is a good thing because the whole planet can't support unlimited exponential growth in our numbers.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438587674
48991611,49024356,2015-08-03 07:41:26,">>49024310
Are you honestly trying to piss me off?",,Anonymous,1367877504562.jpg,h9+Z7iPsvEb/3aPWmQq7zQ==,EG,,1438587686
48991611,49024379,2015-08-03 07:41:49,">>49024224
>If you are I lost a lot of respect for you.
Do you think I'm?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438587709
48991611,49024386,2015-08-03 07:42:09,">>49024224
I like you. I like you a lot. I never really thought about it before but muslims are like the nigger version of jews.
 Can i worship you as my new god? I dont want to be an atheist but i have nothing to worship.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438587729
48991611,49024441,2015-08-03 07:43:37,">>49024356
Pls dont suicide bomb anything. Pls. I know you really think there is an Allah out there but there isnt, its all made up and you are literally one of the most blue pilled people i have ever met.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438587817
48991611,49024445,2015-08-03 07:43:40,">>49024224
Still most of the planet is in immense fear of them.",,Anonymous,,,IN,,1438587820
48991611,49024498,2015-08-03 07:45:23,">>49024356
Well what do you think? 
More importantly though, would you simply be cool about it should your best friend have sex with your 9 year old daughter. 
>>49024386
No, only I can worship OuterLimits-chan",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438587923
48991611,49024525,2015-08-03 07:46:11,">>49024498
is this how holy wars start?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438587971
48991611,49024590,2015-08-03 07:48:02,">>49024441
So not being an Atheist is being blue pilled,now? really?",,Anonymous,1323132968001.png,zf7mVBkAMVr2GucxolQB5Q==,EG,,1438588082
48991611,49024600,2015-08-03 07:48:12,">>48992656
unrelenting satire",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438588092
48991611,49024622,2015-08-03 07:48:58,">>49024590
>So not being an Atheist is being blue pilled,now?
Of course.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438588138
48991611,49024636,2015-08-03 07:49:16,">>49024525
It'll the moment you take away OuterLimits-chan away from me",,Overseas Malaysiafag,11403312_1004882626223361_7378327864183621093_n.jpg,jASjc/Dn3tk1wqpNPbjtBA==,MY,,1438588156
48991611,49024658,2015-08-03 07:50:03,">>49024379
I don't know you could be practicing that taqiyya I've heard about!
But I know Malaysia-chan would never betray me!
>>49024445
That's just the news. ISIS spends 99% of it's time killing other arabs. If the united states actually got serious it would be a slaughter. These guys have almost zero air defense. We could send a few choppers and pick them off with basically zero causalities. It would be target practice!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438588203
48991611,49024666,2015-08-03 07:50:16,">>49024590
yes actually thats where the red and blue pill theme actually came from.
You live in a magic fairy tale world and cant accept the grim dark reality that what we do doesnt matter, when we die we rot in the ground, our loved ones are not watching over us, those that are truly evil will not be punished in hell for it, and no one is watching over you.
Those are all comforting ideas, but the REALITY is that none of it is true, therefore it is a redpill.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438588216
48991611,49024762,2015-08-03 07:53:37,">>49024350
Honestly, I didn't look at the birth rates for India. They're just a good example of an overpopulated nation that resembles a massive brown horde of poor people that live in their own excrement. 
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
Look at the countries with the highest birth rates (India is still in the top 100) and it might as well be a list of the worst countries on the planet. Almost every single country in the top 100 is hell on earth while the nations with the lowest birth rates are the most advanced nations on the planet.
If we need to cut back on population growth and start forcing people to have less children then it is not in the west but in these overpopulated and backwards countries filled with scum that shit in the street.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438588417
48991611,49024767,2015-08-03 07:53:40,">>49024666
>When we die we rot in the ground
>But the REALITY is that none of it is true
Proof?",,Anonymous,gTS6y.jpg,o/Bkt3fWMRqDnLCUBDVOLA==,EG,,1438588420
48991611,49024800,2015-08-03 07:54:36,">>49024767
Well you can go dig up dead people if you want. They are buried 6 feet under so prepare for a work out.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438588476
48991611,49024865,2015-08-03 07:56:27,">>49024658
there you have it. I was merely messing around with the Egyptian :)
It would make me heartbroken if I'm to betray you.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438588587
48991611,49024878,2015-08-03 07:56:55,">>49023192
retarded muslims believe in jesus' return too.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438588615
48991611,49024882,2015-08-03 07:57:00,">>49024800
It is our bodies that rot,not our souls,nigga.",,Anonymous,8201364925_9e78eb60e2_m.jpg,xKZP/qiHXxFNj8iKq+JQlA==,EG,,1438588620
48991611,49024918,2015-08-03 07:58:15,">>49023728
>It was never mentioned in the original quran(you know,the one that you guys probably never read) that he had sexual intercourse with here,not even once.
Actually, yeah, I _did_ read your quran, thanks. She _IS_ however, clearly mentioned in the Hadith of Muhamad's life. Where it also mentions that he took her away from playing with her friends and dolls to take her to his bed.
>even if he did,care to explain how she never gave birth?
She was pre-pubescent during part of her marriage and was widowed at age 18. She was forbidden to remarry according the Quran, which indicated that no one should ever marry one of the Prophet's wives after him.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438588695
48991611,49024926,2015-08-03 07:58:28,">>49024882
>soul
You live in Egypt so you might not be up on current events but.. we dont have a soul silly. Our entire consciousness resides in our brains. You may want to look into some neuroscience, its pretty interesting stuff.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438588708
48991611,49024931,2015-08-03 07:58:35,">>49024762
That's because development and a declining birth rate go hand in hand. The only way to lower their birth rate is help them develop.
Desperately trying to force developed countries into a population race with them isn't going to work and isn't going to help anyone.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438588715
48991611,49024950,2015-08-03 07:59:01,">>49024865
Stop rp-ing you silly cunts you will never be Japenese.",,Anonymous,1342111398855s.jpg,z9ZHO3yQMOOvM0OZGcFaLw==,EG,,1438588741
48991611,49025015,2015-08-03 08:00:48,">>49024865
Malaysia-chan!
What's it like in that country anyway? Are you culturally similar to Thailand?",,OuterLimits,DreamHunterRemNoJ1.jpg,GH3/Sul2YFC1clY+GX7CEQ==,US,,1438588848
48991611,49025128,2015-08-03 08:04:23,"The legitimacy of “marrying” pre-pubescent girls who have not yet had their “monthly courses” is established both in the Qur’an and in the ""perfect example"" set by Muhammad for his Muslim followers.
The Qur'an:
 Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same) (65:4)
The rule concerns divorce, which obviously implies marriage. Muhammad wanted believing men to observe a three month waiting period before evicting their wives, to make sure that they weren’t pregnant.
Muhammad elsewhere encouraged his men to marry “young girls” for sexual pleasure:
 ""Allah's Apostle said to me, ""Have you got married O Jabir?"" I replied, ""Yes."" He asked ""What, a virgin or a matron?"" I replied, ""Not a virgin but a matron."" He said, ""Why did you not marry a young girl who would have fondled with you?"" (Bukhari 59:382)
Lest there be any doubt by what he meant by “young,” Muhammad set the example by marrying and having sex with Aisha when she was only 9-years-old:
 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: “Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.” (Sahih Muslim 3309) This is confirmed in many other hadith as well.
According to the most reliable traditions, Aisha brought her dolls to Muhammad’s house for play (Muslim 3341) and he would fondle the little girl in the tub while taking baths with her (Bukhari 6:298). Aisha was just a teenager by the time Muhammad died, but she had already spent over half her life in marriage to him
Even worse for Muslims is that part of the Qur’an was actually “revealed” while Muhammad was in bed with this little girl:
 [Muhammad said] ""…the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha."" (Bukhari 47:755)
TL;DR? - Mohammed was a pedo.",,Anonymous,islam6.jpg,ZoBCYmMz2gmWCugXPgJ3HQ==,AU,,1438589063
48991611,49025136,2015-08-03 08:04:41,">>49024950
That isn't role play, my love for OuterLimits-chan is real.
Also, since I'm Chinese I'm quite close right?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438589081
48991611,49025137,2015-08-03 08:04:43,">>49024918
You read it? the one that is written in Arabic?
>>49024926
So wait,because there was no machine that was able to detect someone's soul then souls don't exist in general?",,Anonymous,12642768.png,6eBzgvhO3EB9EX/Pjp0LPw==,EG,,1438589083
48991611,49025172,2015-08-03 08:05:48,">>49025128
Ty anon , you saved me the trouble of posting all of that myself. Im going to save that for another time.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438589148
48991611,49025227,2015-08-03 08:07:15,">>49025137
No, the body works just fine without the soul. Everything we do, think, and feel resides inside the brain. No soul required. If something exists surely it would have some sort of purpose no?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438589235
48991611,49025258,2015-08-03 08:08:05,">>49025137
Not in arabic, but it was translated by an islamic scholar from a respected Saudi Arabian university. He had several doctorates, and was apparently a respected imam as well. 
>inb4 only the arabic version is the right one:
If it is truly the word of Allah, it is valid in any language. And a translation by a scholar that has spent many decades studying it (with facing arabic text), is going to be very close to the exact meaning. Almost half of every page was footnotes.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438589285
48991611,49025298,2015-08-03 08:09:14,">>49025137
If you get a serious brain injury it can affect your whole personality and your IQ. Yet you want us to believe that when a brain is irreparably damaged and ceases to function at all your personality remains unchanged and floats off to a magic world.
And your proof of this is ""prove me wrong"", how about you prove your claims.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438589354
48991611,49025333,2015-08-03 08:10:20,">>49024931
>The only way to lower their birth rate is help them develop.
Or you can just sterilize them. You talk about sustainability and how the planet cannot support exponential growth, and yet you want to bring up every third world country in the planet and transform them into a developed nation? Just imagine the enormous drain on finite natural resources like fossil fuels that would happen if you made all of these countries into developed nations. We would go flying past peak oil in about a week. 
It's not pleasant, but the solution is sterilization. A complete depopulation of certain areas of the world through spiking the water supply and gradually sterilizing the population, especially in those warlord controlled spots of hell in Africa, would not be a bad thing at all and everyone would benefit from this. That is the unpleasant and hard to swallow but necessary solution to overpopulation and what you're suggesting would doom us all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438589420
48991611,49025389,2015-08-03 08:12:23,">>49025172
No probs. 
>>49025333
And yet the USA refuses to even encourage condom use in Africa, which would also reduce the incidence of HIV....",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438589543
48991611,49025472,2015-08-03 08:14:48,">>49025333
Okay I'm down with that. 
It still isn't an argument for turning the USA socially into Afghanistan, which is where we started. 
Now you are also complaining about things like peak oil while demanding we artificially up the birth rate in countries using all the oil.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438589688
48991611,49025532,2015-08-03 08:16:56,">>49024203
>believing in evil spirits
what are you, twelve years old?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438589816
48991611,49025587,2015-08-03 08:18:17,">>49025532
No but as an egyptian muslim he probably has the intelligence of one.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438589897
48991611,49025591,2015-08-03 08:18:26,">>49025532
Superstition is part and parcel of islam:
Although contemporary Muslims like to believe that Islam is a mature Abrahamic religion that has no place for archaic superstition, the truth is that Muhammad believed in black magic and curses. This is documented in the Qur'an and Hadith.
The Qur’an, Islam’s holiest book, actually contains several references to magic and witchcraft. According to 2:102, magic was taught to men by demons. Moses himself was able to practice magic (7:116). Muhammad was told to “seek refuge” from witchcraft in Sura 113, a passage that is supposed to be recited six times a day by devout Muslims.
In the Hadith, Muhammad establishes the “evil eye” as a fact:
 Ibn 'Abbas reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The influence of an evil eye is a fact; if anything would precede the destiny it would be the influence of an evil eye, and when you are asked to take bath (as a cure) from the influence of an evil eye, you should take bath. (Muslim 5427)
The enemies of Muhammad were even able to cast spells over him (or so he claimed):
 A'isha reported that a Jew from among the Jews of Banu Zuraiq who was called Labid b. al-A'sam cast spell upon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with the result that he (under the influence of the spell) felt that he had been doing something whereas in fact he had not been doing that. (This state of affairs lasted) until one day or during one night Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) made supplication (to dispel its effects. (Muslim 5428). (Bukhari 54:490 repeats the same story and adds that Muhammad was “bewitched”).",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438589906
48991611,49025598,2015-08-03 08:18:44,">>49025532
>>49025591
and:
Bukhari 71:660 also goes into further detail, saying that Muhammad was made to think that he had sexual relations with his wives when he had not (due to the magic). the passage also lists the materials used to cast the spell, which included a lock of his own hair – reminiscent of voodoo practices.
Muhammad prescribed eating seven dates in the morning to ward off evil spells (Muslim 5081, Bukhari 65:356).
To this day, women are sometimes arrested or even killed in hard-line Islamic countries on suspicion of “black magic.”
The prophet of Islam actually claimed to have super powers over invisible demons:
 ""The Prophet said, ""Last night a big demon (afreet) from the Jinns came to me and wanted to interrupt my prayers (or said something similar) but Allah enabled me to overpower him. I wanted to fasten him to one of the pillars of the mosque so that all of you could See him in the morning but I remembered the statement of my brother Solomon (as stated in Quran): My Lord! Forgive me and bestow on me a kingdom such as shall not belong to anybody after me (38:35)."" (Bukhari 8:450)
His credulous followers believed that it was more important fro Muhammad to forgive and release the demon, rather than keep him tied to a pillar for a period of time so that they might verify his fantastic story.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438589924
48991611,49025684,2015-08-03 08:21:11,">>49025015
We are different from Thailand. Though I guess superstition-wise we are quite similar. 
Malaysia's quite a relaxing place to live in tbh, if you can close your eyes to the shitty politics, education, heat and missing planes. People are nice, hate blacks and mostly feel that gays are weird. The Muslim Malays here largely don't bother to go full on Allahu Ackbar as well though shit still get stirred from time to time between Muslims and non Muslims. Overall it's peaceful and the food's awesome. 
Racemixing is quite common given the close proximity of races. My grandaunt in UK is a half Indian despite most of my family being Chinese and my greatgrandmother is from a lineage of Malay-Chinese hybrid race. Mixing with niggers is of course a big no no in Malaysian society.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438590071
48991611,49025799,2015-08-03 08:24:57,">>49025591
>>49025598
>In the Hadith
The equivalent of Christmas carols. People like to quote it as being indicative of the religion, but it's bullshit.
The only people who believe in this shit are the people you dub terrorists. The rest of us haven't read what you keep calling the hadith.
If outsiders think it's indicative of the faith, imagine what some vulnerable kid thinks when his priest tells him it's just as good as the word of god, and he should blow himself up to defend Saudi interests.
Only the Quran is our faith, and a good bit of it is out of date. People have to resort to using their own intuition to figure out what's relevant, and some people make decisions, opening the door for idiots to criticise everything.
It's exactly like what the kike media did to the Catholics decades ago in Ireland.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438590297
48991611,49025820,2015-08-03 08:25:33,">>49025799
>people make decisions,
make bad*",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438590333
48991611,49025859,2015-08-03 08:26:56,">>49025799
So let me guess, Solae Quran?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438590416
48991611,49025874,2015-08-03 08:27:22,">>49025472
>It still isn't an argument for turning the USA socially into Afghanistan, which is where we started. 
I never argued for that though. I assumed the Afghanistan thing was just hyperbole because I suggested that women should value having children and that promiscuity should be discouraged. I responded by saying that Western European countries would be turned into an actual Afghanistan if they didn't do something about the shrinking white European population and the growing Muslim population. This does not necessarily mean that you need to get into a birth rate race with the Muslims and forcing them out would be just as good. 
I can agree with lowering the population if this lowering applies to everyone and not just a shrinking white population being replaced by a surging non-white population of Muslim immigrants and asylum seekers, which is exactly what we're seeing today. 
>Now you are also complaining about things like peak oil while demanding we artificially up the birth rate in countries using all the oil.
What's wrong with maintaining a replacement level of population in the few countries that are capable of advancing to powerful and sustainable energy sources like nuclear energy and eventually getting rid of the need for fossil fuels entirely? The future of nuclear energy sure as hell isn't in Africa. If East Asians and white people are out-bred by people who are illiterate and violent savages then humanity is fucked. We will stagnate because no one will be left to give a shit about advancing research into alternative energy sources, peak oil will eventually be reached, and civilization will collapse on a scale that is completely unprecedented.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438590442
48991611,49025907,2015-08-03 08:28:06,">>49025799
It's all very well that you believe that personally but the idea that most devout Muslims worldwide think the Hadith are irrelevant and that parts of the Koran are out of date is bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438590486
48991611,49025964,2015-08-03 08:29:59,">>49025799
You don't even need to follow it, I couldn't care less about your religion (hehe British flag defending islam)... but it shows the historical basis for islam.
And one of the points being made is, Mohamed, your prophet, had sex with a nine-year old girl. And _THAT_ is wrong.",,Anonymous,imam justifies pedo.png,9UkDbb8E6dyj0FdvkqzaNg==,AU,,1438590599
48991611,49026007,2015-08-03 08:31:17,">>49025684
I've had Thai food. If it's anything like Malayasian food you are right, its extremely good. I've only interacted with Thai people but from what I've seen they have a solid culture and don't have any real down points.
Asian cultures all seem to be pretty good.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438590677
48991611,49026040,2015-08-03 08:32:02,">>49025907
ayyy lmao
some hadith come from trustworthy sources, and some don't. laws are built from the authentic trustworthy ones. some hadith are fabricated
>inb4 git gud inglsh gramah, 
cant be fucked ayy",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438590722
48991611,49026126,2015-08-03 08:34:20,">>49026040
>some sura come from trustworthy sources, and some don't. laws are built from the authentic trustworthy ones. some sura are fabricated
ayy lmao",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438590860
48991611,49026182,2015-08-03 08:35:59,">>49025799
>a good bit of it is out of date
you sound almost reasonable, for a muslim.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438590959
48991611,49026202,2015-08-03 08:36:27,">>49025964
ayyy lmao comparing modern societys morals to 1400 years ago, ayyyyyy lmaooo",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438590987
48991611,49026216,2015-08-03 08:37:00,">>49026126
ayyy
lmao",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591020
48991611,49026236,2015-08-03 08:37:18,"Islam will never be accepted by a rational world. It's a foreign religion so naturally we are going to be skeptical of it. But it's not a fucking advanced religion like Buddhism, Taoism, or Confucianism.
It's basically what the Jews were in the early period, superstitious, violent, and hateful to anyone that isn't like them. Although the Jews reformed their religion to not be Iron Age (except Haseds, fuck em)
 It's the fucking reason that the middle east is stuck in the dark ages.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438591038
48991611,49026237,2015-08-03 08:37:22,">>49026040
The person I replied to claimed none of the hadith were relevant so I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about to be honest m8.
>>49025874
To actually have any significant affect on the birth rate you would have to forcibly convert the entire nation into an anti-science backwards cult, this is what I am talking about.
Half-hearted secular religious people don't tend to have any more kids than non-religious ones, certainly not significantly more.
You basically want to turn the USA into a backwards superstition riddled hellhole like Afghanistan in the hope people will have more children. It is just a completely impractical and silly idea to be honest.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438591042
48991611,49026266,2015-08-03 08:38:16,">>49026236
> Buddhism, Taoism, or Confucianism.
>advanced
ayyy lmao",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591096
48991611,49026278,2015-08-03 08:38:38,">>49026202
It was never justified to have sex with a 9-year-old in Christian countries 1400 years ago. 
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48991611,49026311,2015-08-03 08:39:43,">>48999921
nice to see that someone understands the concept of agnostic theists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438591183
48991611,49026319,2015-08-03 08:39:55,">>49026202
Im sorry to tell you that if you need to be told not to have sex with a 9 year old to know that you shouldnt do it, you are a pedophile.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438591195
48991611,49026365,2015-08-03 08:41:22,">>49026319
Highest high five, Maple-bro.",,Anonymous,Hi5.jpg,sfMi55GhugZX6VMFdd6uuw==,AU,,1438591282
48991611,49026395,2015-08-03 08:42:20,">>49026237
ayy lmao, islam has different sects, offshoots, etc
not all of them agree on the same thing
>generalising
>2008+7",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591340
48991611,49026433,2015-08-03 08:43:19,">>49026319
and you are a cuckold
ayyy lmao
>>49026278
how old was joseph and mary
>inb4 thats not pedophilia
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591399
48991611,49026435,2015-08-03 08:43:21,">>49026395
>being a mudslime apologist
I truly feel sorry for you.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438591401
48991611,49026454,2015-08-03 08:43:53,">>49026433
reporting all further shitposting from you.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438591433
48991611,49026514,2015-08-03 08:45:52,">>49026395
I know you silly fucker. I am fully aware that Muslims have splintered into sects and have religious wars over which hadith are correct and they have developed an entire gibberish pseudoscience trying to work out which are the ""best"".
However this guy >>49025799 claimed NONE of them were relevant to modern Muslims and I replied calling that bullshit. To which you have responded by attacking me with a silly strawman.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438591552
48991611,49026555,2015-08-03 08:47:11,">>49026007
Yes, it's quite similar. We also have that in Malaysia and it is good. Oddly enough, I never met any Thai IRL though but they have great culture. The superstition part makes for good creepypasta tier material too. 
>Asian cultures all seem to be pretty good.
Yeah I guess so. I'm however worried that the spread of Protestantism might alter or destroy these cultures. From my experience with some Evangelicals in college, there are aspects of Chinese culture that were demonized all because it is deemed idolatrous, particularly that of ancestral veneration where people mainly do it out of filial piety rather than actual worship.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438591631
48991611,49026575,2015-08-03 08:47:50,">>49026433
>how old was joseph and mary
if it was or wasnt it doesnt change anything about muhammads actions.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591670
48991611,49026587,2015-08-03 08:48:10,">>49026237
If you look at my initial post >>49023654 then I actually mentioned very little about increasing the birthrate and I only mentioned bringing it back up to the replacement rate. The main point was not more children, but healthier children who are raised by an actual family and not a broken home with a single mother. I don't know if it's as bad in the UK as it is in the US, but single mothers are every where you look and they have raised nothing but effeminate boys and pathetic cowards. If this cycle continues then I am terrified to see what western white people will be like after a few generations of being raised by single mothers. This is a direct result of the destruction of the family unit that started in the drug fueled, counter culture, hyper promiscuity of the 1960s and rapidly escalated from there.
I am not talking about turning the clock back to the 1400s. It's been less than a century since society started to go off the rails and into this insanity that we see today.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438591690
48991611,49026610,2015-08-03 08:49:13,">>49026575
yep, but that doesn't change the fact that joseph is a pedofile nigga",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591753
48991611,49026611,2015-08-03 08:49:14,">>49026266
These three philosophical systems are.
Even the Assyrian missionaries that went to China respected these philosophies and actually integrate them into Christianity and even have a positive and accepting stance towards them. 
That sort of respect wouldn't be warranted if these philosophical systems are crap.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438591754
48991611,49026631,2015-08-03 08:50:14,">>49026610
Was he? How old was Mary. Also i was under the assumption that since the conception was immaculate and she was a virgin that , by definition, they didnt have sex.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438591814
48991611,49026684,2015-08-03 08:52:17,">>49026433
>>49026610
>how old was joseph and mary
the word the west generally translates as ""virgin"" in Aramaic and 1st-century Hebrew means ""a woman of marriageable age"". At the time this would have been between 16 and 18. That's not only legal, that's a normal age for sex.
Joseph is said to have been a carpenter, at the time, this would have meant he'd finished his apprenticeship, and was either a journeyman or a master. His age would have been between 16 and 25. Again, normal.
Not to mention the whole ""immaculate conception"" thing...
Maybe you should study, instead of shitposting on an Tibetan mandala image board.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438591937
48991611,49026729,2015-08-03 08:54:11,">>49026587
If you want to counter that then you are going to have to come up with a secular way to promote the concept of morality that you hold so dear.
You are are right you can't turn the clock back to the 1400s and you can't terrify people with stories about talking snakes and non-existent fiery pits when they die.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438592051
48991611,49026803,2015-08-03 08:56:43,">>49026555
>filial piety
had to google that.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438592203
48991611,49026846,2015-08-03 08:58:13,">>49026729
>If you want to counter that then you are going to have to come up with a secular way to promote the concept of morality that you hold so dear.
That's the terrifying part. I won't have to counter it because it will return back to that either way, it will just return because Muslims have outbred the apathetic white people to the point that they have become an irrelevant minority within their own countries. The religious morals and values are coming back, but it's a whole different population that's bringing them while the white atheists of the west just happily skip into their own extinction.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438592293
48991611,49026929,2015-08-03 09:01:11,">>49026610
do you realise you are posting in an atheist general thread. we dont care about joseph or mary or jesus..",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438592471
48991611,49026931,2015-08-03 09:01:18,">>49026611
yeah ur right, the philosophies are good, but they are just that, philosophies
>>49026684
>Tibetan mandala image board.
lmao nice one
idk i read that joseph was a 'very old man' and that he was 70-90, and mary was 12
well thx for ur info anyway, interesting",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438592478
48991611,49026987,2015-08-03 09:02:53,">>49026929
have fun in hell, satan and his bois gonna have turns at ur butthole for that comment",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438592573
48991611,49027045,2015-08-03 09:05:09,">>49026555
What you said about ancestral worship being demonized is unfortunately part of Christianity. I am not just trying to troll people when I say Christianity is a very primitive form of Marxism/universalism and that the older Pagan religions were way healthier. Apart from that Protestantism is spiritually dead. 1 god, no saints, no demons, no spirits. A polytheists religion has all sorts of colorful things and the world becomes a lot more alive.
But Protestantism actually leads to atheism. The entire Christianity lineage actually helped make atheism. Catholicism started it by going from many gods with diverse functions to 1 God who does everything, but they still kept the lesser spirits (saints, demons etc). Protestant got rid of the lesser spirits. Atheism got rid of the last thing...God himself.
I have no clue how advanced Malaysia. I assume it's like India where the major cities are like the modern world and than there are outskirts on the country that take you back in time.
But religion actually has purpose and I think you need to reach a certain industry level to be atheist and healthy. Once you kill religion you need culture and philosophy to replace the lost spirituality. You need anime, movies, and all types of art to replace the lost world of fantasy. You need a 'material' opportunities to replace the lost spiritual opportunities. You need to embrace human culture to make up for the spirit culture you lost.
That's why there is a huge spiritual crisis and modern atheism sucks. A lot of atheists in this thread are spiritually dead. They are still figuring what the hell philosophy and spiritualism are for.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438592709
48991611,49027073,2015-08-03 09:06:34,">>49027045
>A lot of atheists in this thread are spiritually dead.
Define what it is you mean exactly by ""spiritually dead""",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438592794
48991611,49027077,2015-08-03 09:06:45,">>49026846
>That's the terrifying part. I won't have to counter it because it will return back to that either way, it will just return because Muslims have outbred the apathetic white people to the point that they have become an irrelevant minority within their own countries
Oh please. This is preposterous. Nothing but pure terrified fearmongering.
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438592805
48991611,49027115,2015-08-03 09:08:01,>>48992359,,Anonymous,Sketch31502320-1.png,vxYTUy2nC27tJmN6oJ9P7Q==,US,,1438592881
48991611,49027151,2015-08-03 09:09:17,">>49026987
i'll take that gamble and base my beliefs on evidence.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438592957
48991611,49027202,2015-08-03 09:10:52,">>49027115
Science flies people to the Moon. Religions flies people into buildings.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438593052
48991611,49027270,2015-08-03 09:13:35,">>49027202
science also blew up 2 japanese cities with atomic bombs. Just saying.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438593215
48991611,49027278,2015-08-03 09:13:53,">>49027077
This doesn't account for converts and immigrants and it also clearly shows that the Muslim population will grow significantly. It only attempts to debunk a claim that I didn't even make, which is that Muslims would be a majority in the UK by 2050. I never said a year and I definitely didn't say anything as early as 2050, but a clear demographic shift is emerging throughout Western Europe and Islam is just growing faster than atheism while Christianity just rots in the corner.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438593233
48991611,49027431,2015-08-03 09:18:51,">>49027278
As a canadian I too worry about the influx of muslims to my country. Obviously its not as bad as places in the EU but still... When i lived in Calgary I remember seeing quite a few muslim schools. My freind was a body guard and worked for one of them during events and he told me that they taught the children absolute bullshit in science classes and he couldnt understand how they could get away with it.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438593531
48991611,49027486,2015-08-03 09:21:05,">>49027073
I sort of do in this post below.
>>49026846
We are in kind of a pickle. Humans have been depend on God for so long we no longer know how to act without him. And we went and killed him. =/
Meaning used to come from God. Where does it come from now? Why do anything? Why not just take the path of least resistance? Why not just do whatever makes you happy? Why does family matter? Why does culture matter? Why does country matter?
It doesn't help that people think philosophers are crazy old fools and that all tradition is just dated customs with no practical value. Religion was all superstition, there was no rational basis for any of those customs! What does Nietzsche know? He's just a dead white man and those are evil right?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438593665
48991611,49027513,2015-08-03 09:21:58,">>49027278
Islam isn't growing faster than atheism in the UK and there is a good solid cure to Islam, a proper non-religious education. Something Christianity is standing in the way of.
Christians in the UK insist on fucking up my country and then Christians in the US blame it on fucking atheism. You are all cunts.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438593718
48991611,49027575,2015-08-03 09:24:37,">>49027270
The people that dropped those bombs were religious and Japan deserved it. Just saying.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438593877
48991611,49027670,2015-08-03 09:28:27,">>49027486
>Meaning used to come from God. Where does it come from now? Why do anything? Why not just take the path of least resistance? Why not just do whatever makes you happy? Why does family matter? Why does culture matter? Why does country matter?
Because what makes the majority of people happy is enjoying culture and having a family. Religions have tended to ascribe human values as coming from god.
There is little evidence that back when everyone was religious there were less drunks and child molesters and less promiscuous people. You only need to look at the spread of syphilis in the time of heady religion to know this degeneracy bullshit is little more than a meme.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438594107
48991611,49027809,2015-08-03 09:32:50,">>49027045
Yes it's true. Even the Vatican demonized it once. However they were smart enough to let go of this. I can't say for sure whether or not the older Pagan religions are healthier. I mean while I have a deep respect for Buddhism, Buddhists in my country seem to go to the temple to perform ancestral rites or pray for benefits like how my mom did whenever she goes to Church(no ancestral rites though). 
I think I can however agree with you that Protestantism leads to Atheism. This is part of Weber's Disenchantment hypothesis where as civilizations progress they will move away from polytheism to monotheism and then finally, shedding the idea of God all together. My guess is that the Catholic Church screwed things up by being so corrupt and obsessed with worldly power, paving the way for the Reformation which leads to the shit we see today. 
Malaysia would be as how you would describe India. 
I guess you are right to say that religion has a purpose and that modern atheism failed to fill the void. Though this is because Atheism was forged under a culture without those mystical elements you speak off. It's all gone in Protestantism. Given this it is quite understandable why modern atheism is spiritually dead.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438594370
48991611,49027853,2015-08-03 09:34:30,">>49027486
Well i cant really speak for anyone other than myself obviously, and i dont know if there is a word for the way I live my life, but I find meaning in life mainly through love, joy, logic, reason, and probably a bit of hedonism.
So the reason i don't just do whatever makes ME happy is because i have emotions like empathy which allow me to understand how others feel. Obviously if i steal from someone they will be losing out and empathy keeps me from doing anything like that. I view family as being important but probably not family in a traditional sense. My aunt and uncle treated me much better and were way more of a mom and dad than my biological parents ever were. Biological family doesnt always matter, what matters is being close to those who you love and matter most to you.
Culture is kind of a vague topic, however, culture as i see it is important because it allows us to understand where we have come from and how far we have progressed. IT allows us to celebrate all the different things that different groups of people have accomplished in human history. Obviously not all ""culture"" is actually important, and we should not respect the ""traditions and customs"" of others if it involves things like child marriage and having slaves. 
Why does a country matter? To be honest im not exactly sure. Obviously for historical reasons they are important so that we understand where we come from, and they are good at separating and differentiating different cultures, but other than that i am not sure.
Like i said, i try to be as logical but also empathetic as possible in most situations in my life and i feel that keeps me from going insane.
Some old philosops, like Plato, John Locke, Thomas Paine, and others actually have very interesting things to think about especially regarding freedom of speech . I admit i do not spend as much time reading into philosophy as i could because im much more interested in science.
TL:DR People need more empathy love and logic.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438594470
48991611,49027887,2015-08-03 09:35:34,">>49027270
The difference is that blowing up 9/11 was a random act of violence. It left a pile of rubble
Bombing Japan ended a war and saved millions of young boy's lives. Than we westernized Japan and they become something beautiful. In a way the bomb made Japan stronger.
>>49027513
American Christians do not know shit. They are Protestant scum and I do mean scum, not even good Protestants, fucking creationists that cherry pick bible quotes and ignore the rest of the other book. No fucking artistic merits, hideous church's, they hate Catholics so much they intentionally made their church's ugly just to do the opposite (this is basically what my dad but he used positive words and was bragging about how our Church was artistically lacking). No fucking sense of history, they probably don't even know who Martin Luther is. And they are going full /x/. All the Christian women in my family are now on the new age band wagon.
What the hell are atheists like in UK? Dawkins seems pretty bad-ass.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438594534
48991611,49027922,2015-08-03 09:36:28,">>49027575
>and Japan deserved it.
Most of the people who died from the bombings were civilians who had no idea what their government was doing. To imply they deserved it is quite silly.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438594588
48991611,49028067,2015-08-03 09:41:37,">>49027670
You are thinking in small terms. When the old countries wanted to get shit done shit got done. 
'avoiding pain' 'less child molestors' 'less killers' is not what builds society. That is reactive thinking, you need active thinking that has goals.
Apollo is the fucking God of science so you better study those scrolls to honor our God! What's that you want to be a wimpy anti-war protestor? Well too bad. Mars says war kicks ass! And you don't worry about dying. Because your time is chosen by the keres (basically greek Valkyrias) when your time comes you will be chosen and meet your God in the after life!
This Islamic problem would not have existed in ancient Greece. They would have solved in 2 weeks. All they would need is the priest to tell them that Athena does not like foreign scum in her city and she is going to give a blessing to anyone that drives them out.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438594897
48991611,49028151,2015-08-03 09:44:16,">>49027887
>What the hell are atheists like in UK? Dawkins seems pretty bad-ass
Normal mate, just normal. 
25% of the population is atheist and I mean full blown atheist not wishy washy non-affiliated and still believe in a spirit or whatever, although there are plenty of those as well. 
Among youngish white males it is now the majority.
And all these people just get on with their lives, have jobs, have fun, have families, enjoy culture, hold an incredibly wide range of views on every other aspect of life, some read philosophy, most don't.
There isn't any need for angst or ""soul searching"" or worry about how not believing in god is going to bring society crashing down with everyone murdering each other. It's fine.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438595056
48991611,49028223,2015-08-03 09:47:05,">>49028151
What are your thoughts on all the illegal immigrants currently flooding your country with more to come. Are you worried?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438595225
49057904,49057904,2015-08-03 21:08:59,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1438636139
49057904,49057945,2015-08-03 21:09:46,">>49057904
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos *new*
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *new*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Response to Theists Free Will Argument *new*
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,1437746545271.jpg,r/+YZ6n7e3cySBhranlFEQ==,US,,1438636186
49057904,49058000,2015-08-03 21:11:06,">>49057945
>Basics of Atheism
There's advanced atheism?
Sounds a bit like a religion.",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1438636266
49057904,49058075,2015-08-03 21:12:40,">>49058000
Nice digits my German friend",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438636360
49057904,49058123,2015-08-03 21:13:37,">>49058075
>German",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438636417
49057904,49058141,2015-08-03 21:13:52,"A question for you, atheists.
What year is it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438636432
49057904,49058146,2015-08-03 21:13:58,">>49058000
Nice trips",,Dick Dorkins,article-2638427-00283D9900000258-865_634x412.jpg,VfOidAhbP3B/8/h1mKD2xg==,US,,1438636438
49057904,49058229,2015-08-03 21:15:39,">>49058141
2015 Common Era",,Anonymous,Bush Smirk.jpg,ILWirqaJumjum1mj/ZxZwg==,CA,,1438636539
49057904,49058230,2015-08-03 21:15:39,">>49058141
2015 Common Era",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438636539
49057904,49058321,2015-08-03 21:17:33,">>49058141
1984, now give me your pants",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1438636653
49057904,49058458,2015-08-03 21:20:31,">>49058229
Love ya, Canadabro",,Dick Dorkins,1438288610501.gif,j7UIsRZ1KP+NVthn6NoiAQ==,US,,1438636831
49057904,49058509,2015-08-03 21:21:47,reddit pls go,,Anonymous,1413747196689.png,kQOI4B6GZlMKrUZIq49KNg==,US,,1438636907
49057904,49058523,2015-08-03 21:22:08,">>49058458
Right back atchya.",,Anonymous,brofist.jpg,ydzzQsglVKhZz0fmDynUFw==,CA,,1438636928
49057904,49058563,2015-08-03 21:22:47,">>49058509
Back to >>>r/Christianity 
It's a safe place, where we can't hurt your feelings.",,Dick Dorkins,kmu3z.png,YwFNHgSoBkJM0+fR/8L+lQ==,US,,1438636967
49057904,49058565,2015-08-03 21:22:49,">>49058229
>>49058230
Ok, so why is it 2015? Why not 20150 or 49 or 1866?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438636969
49057904,49058595,2015-08-03 21:23:23,>>49057904,,Anonymous,copypasta.jpg,Tto3qWe6fgUPC1o1zdZjCg==,US,,1438637003
49057904,49058623,2015-08-03 21:23:55,">all things related to secular living and politics.
GAAAAAAAAAAAY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438637035
49057904,49058633,2015-08-03 21:24:05,">>49058509
why so buttfrustrated?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438637045
49057904,49059052,2015-08-03 21:33:46,"Hello everyone,
Has a theist ever said ""God can't give us evidence, it would remove our free will!"" or ""God shouldn't prevent evil, it would remove our free will!""? Yes? Then I have just the paste for you!
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0",,Anonymous,0227Dawkins.jpg,7lEeriGbcjrsdbF1BjX3Dg==,US,,1438637626
49057904,49059629,2015-08-03 21:47:15,">>49059052
I've started 7 reasons to be an atheist, I intend to make these points stronger in the future. 
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
The video section is HUGE now, you should check it out http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438638435
49057904,49060303,2015-08-03 22:04:39,Awesome video on the history of how the Abrahamic God was invented around 600BC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg,,Dick Dorkins,1433205727493.jpg,om5AEkvguRu80S6R0Mcjew==,US,,1438639479
49057904,49061175,2015-08-03 22:25:50,"New film coming out called Spotlight, staring Mark Ruffalo. Covers an investigation on the Catholic Sex Absue Scandal.
>Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56jw6tasomc",,Dick Dorkins,47818191.cached.jpg,wL8yMbBO6yOvy3GqBuplkg==,US,,1438640750
49057904,49061274,2015-08-03 22:28:17,how does one be an atheist but not alienating aka fedora?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438640897
49057904,49061332,2015-08-03 22:29:40,">>49057904
https://twitter.com/sskylark/status/27866010542",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438640980
49057904,49061371,2015-08-03 22:30:30,">>49061274
Don't be pushy about a subject. If a religious conversation comes up, treat it like you would any other conversation. Politely and with tact.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438641030
49057904,49061562,2015-08-03 22:34:47,">>49057904
>hating something so much you become it
Pretty sad tbh.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438641287
49057904,49061685,2015-08-03 22:37:57,">>49061562
We're here for good times and good feels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo-qweh7nbQ",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-starred-in-a-really-freaky-video-about-internet-memes.jpg,+EguSk/CAAYgc5jjwKymaw==,US,,1438641477
49057904,49061946,2015-08-03 22:44:40,"Stuff like ""Response to Theists Free Will Argument""
should all be gathered up and put in one paste.
We don't need a million essays being linked at once.
Is the writer of that on board?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438641880
49057904,49061981,2015-08-03 22:45:32,">>49061274
From the Basics bin
-----On the hate-able Atheist
There are really stupid atheists. The guy who can't enjoy the Narnia movie because it has Christian themes, or good Christian art, and worship the black science man God.
 
We don't like them either, the great biblical hero Little King John once said ""There are many things that need to be erased"" this is one of them. Please help us erase them.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438641932
49057904,49062009,2015-08-03 22:46:14,">>49061981
>The guy who can't enjoy the Narnia movie because it has Christian themes
It did?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438641974
49057904,49062104,2015-08-03 22:48:45,">>49062009
Sort of.
The wicked witch is the devil, temptations, rules the world The Lion is Jesus, sacrifice, etc. The author of the books was a hardcore Christfag",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438642125
49057904,49062131,2015-08-03 22:49:21,">>49061946
Yeah, it will be. I'm going to strengthen the 7 Reasons paste, then continuing writing these ""response to * argument"" pastes. They will basically be responses to popular responses Christians/Theists like to use.
I've also moved my Videos, Books, and Secular Humanism paste to my pastebin so that I can maintain them. You can delete them from yours if you want",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_01_1.jpg,Q2LfE8qGmN2O2ktZ52BbEw==,US,,1438642161
49057904,49062140,2015-08-03 22:49:32,">>49062104
>The author of the books was a hardcore Christfag
I knew that but I never noticed any christian themes in the book or the movies.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438642172
49057904,49062229,2015-08-03 22:52:00,Where is your god now?,,Anonymous,fick161.webm,LlTvt0b9HPyiQmSgxTZNMw==,IL,,1438642320
49057904,49062377,2015-08-03 22:55:34,">>49061371
>polite
Maple syrup needs to be reminded of this tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438642534
49057904,49062439,2015-08-03 22:57:18,">>49057904
>An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
Lol you are aware of the fact that atheism literally means ""a belief in godlessness"". It derives from the greek word ""Atheos"" ""without god(s)"". There is no such thing as ""weak atheist"" anymore than there is a ""weak Christian"" or a ""weak Muslim"". 
>>49057945
>Basics of Atheism
You people are such faggots. Seriously. 
>Secular Humanism
Basically, Christianity without God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438642638
49057904,49062541,2015-08-03 22:59:38,">>49062439
>There is no such thing as ""weak atheist""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism
>Basically, Christianity without God
Not at all. 
Christianity with God would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism",,Dick Dorkins,Richard_Dawkins_pic.jpg,tEGdtKAtv1fMGT0p26nd/Q==,US,,1438642778
49057904,49062643,2015-08-03 23:01:44,">>49062140
I don't really get it either. It does a terrible job of communicating the points properly.
Basically in the Christian world view the world is a bad place and this is because of the Devil's influence. Thus Narnia is made evil by the queen
Jesus symbolically sacrificed himself which forgives all people of all the bad things they ever did provided you worship him as your God and thank him for torturing himself. The Lion does this but doesn't ask you to worship him.
The movie doesn't really cover the point that the humans are supposed to be wicked and need in of forgiveness. Nor does it cover the point that the humans cannot fix their only problem, only the Lion can only by his self-mutilation. If it did no one would watch it, it would just be one big guilt trip and the Lion would sound like an egotistical fuck.
>Secular Humanism
Basically, Christianity without God
You are right about this but atheists are kind of stupid and have no idea what Christianity is about other than their stories and rituals.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438642904
49057904,49062681,2015-08-03 23:02:36,">>49062229
Fuck, if machines can do that, soon I'll be obsolete.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438642956
49057904,49063061,2015-08-03 23:12:46,">>49062643
Please, tell me how my secular humanism is ""basically Christianity"".
>gets popcorn",,Dick Dorkins,a_560x375.jpg,A0enBJ2oGvxeM5lxf6we/w==,US,,1438643566
49057904,49063220,2015-08-03 23:17:08,"One of the problems with interpreting the bible metaphorically is everything in the religion is centered around getting Jesus to fulfill the Messiah prophecy and getting him to die on the cross.
Part of the Messiah prophecy is that Jesus will have a lineage going WAY back to older bible characters. Basically if almost any story between Genesis 12 and the end of the Old Testament is not literal Jesus's lineage is lost. This is already a huge problem because several of Jesus's ancestors do not exist. He is supposed to be a descendent of Abraham who is probably not real person
The early Genesis also almost has to be literal because it's the basis for original sin.
No Christian yet has claimed New Testament is a metaphor but if they do they lose their Messiah.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438643828
49057904,49063462,2015-08-03 23:22:56,">>49063220
Yeah, it's pretty bad. According to Catholic doctrine:
>all men inherit ancestral sin from Adam;
>God descended upon Earth as the Son in order to free mankind from this sin, was crucified, died etc.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
>Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called ""original sin"".
The theory of evolution states that we (as Homo Sapiens) gradually evolved as a population of tens of thousands from other creatures. This implies that Adam and Eve never existed.
If Adam and Eve never existed, no one fell, and we cannot inherit ancestral sin from no one. Moreover, there wasn't any reason which Jesus had to be born for, anything he had to free us from.
Furthermore, the Catechism states, ""The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents""
Plus we have Pope Pius chiming in on this as well,
>The faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.",,Dick Dorkins,0701-dawkins-laughing_9438.jpg,xiZ9icNvsYDk8RIbRynmHg==,US,,1438644176
49057904,49063591,2015-08-03 23:26:03,">>49063061
Christianity morality is heavily based on the concept of suffering, of causing direct pain.
There's some other things in there like blaspheming God. And it's also takes a negative sound: rather than saying happiness is good it says suffering is bad. Although things get more complicated if you want to get into earlier Christianity or different sects.
The copy pasta grossly misrepresents all religions by assuming 'all of them had happiness as the primary goal'. That's not how Judism is, the goal of Judism is the propserty of the Jewish the people. That's not how Islam is the goal of Islam is to conquer either militarily or politically. 
Once you get into polytheism it gets more complicated because each God has a different goal. The nature Goddesses are there to promote agriculture. The War Gods are the as a call to arms (and war is not exactly happy).",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438644363
49057904,49063632,2015-08-03 23:27:10,">>49063220
Depends on how you approach Scripture. If it is the Sola Scriptura approach then this is pretty much true. If you follow the historical approach, this isn't even a problem to begin with. After all it is such methods of typology and allegory that allows for Mary to become more significant in Scripture itself and how all the OT stuff is a prototype of the NT stuff(Christ as the New Adam for example). Such doesn't rely on a literalistic approach to things in the OT.
>No Christian yet has claimed New Testament is a metaphor but if they do they lose their Messiah.
There would be liberal Anglicans that do to my knowledge. The problem I find with this is that it,
a)Is a mockery of Christianity itself by rejecting core tenets 
b)Might as well be an Atheist rather than continue identifying as Christian
c)Theology becomes so wishy washy that it simply make us free to do what we like",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438644430
49057904,49063673,2015-08-03 23:28:20,">>49063462
The only reason the Catholic Church can keep up the double speak is because they have a strong chain of command that can do things without biblical authority.
Protestant is basically only the bible and a few theologians who you are allowed to say are wrong.
The only surviving path for Christianity is cultural Christianity",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438644500
49057904,49063693,2015-08-03 23:28:50,">>49063462
>>49063591
>tripfagging on a board with ids",,Anonymous,1377381709416.jpg,7RfMQVooKSTYL1ncNOBy2w==,US,,1438644530
49057904,49063751,2015-08-03 23:30:26,">>49058565
Is this a real question?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438644626
49057904,49063773,2015-08-03 23:30:57,"REMINDER:
DAWKINS WAS A BUBMLE BEE SCIENTIST BEFORE WRITING MEME BOOKS. 
ATHEISTS ARE STUPID SUCKERS. 
REPENTAN DBE SAVED. 
Also quitmaking these gay threads op.",,Anonymous,buzzzz.jpg,H6LYuHCRnAbyjdeF/ciYBw==,US,,1438644657
49057904,49063825,2015-08-03 23:32:16,">>49063751
Yes, it's a serious question.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438644736
49057904,49063837,2015-08-03 23:32:39,">>49063773
Can this even be considered bait?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins_bibliography",,Dick Dorkins,dawkinsDM0903_400x432.jpg,hT2SmzYXFjV2c7ve3n9FOA==,US,,1438644759
49057904,49063844,2015-08-03 23:32:49,">>49063061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_OgRLAQjM0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438644769
49057904,49063854,2015-08-03 23:33:07,">>49063632
Oh wow. I think I found the worst denomination of Protestantism.
You can take the metaphor approach. Like I said in another post Catholism can do that because of their powerful chain of command. If they found a good theologian they can promote his view. Protestantism is basically anarchy with everyone having their own opinion.
The problem is that you get closer and closer away from being a religion and become closer to a philosophy. It's hard to justify a metaphorical Adam being the reason that a literal Jesus has to do things",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438644787
49057904,49063875,2015-08-03 23:33:39,">>49063773
Which Christ do I follow to be saved?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438644819
49057904,49063962,2015-08-03 23:35:45,">>49063844
>humanist manifesto",,Dick Dorkins,lips.png,q3j1gXiiBJTU0m1MBOMqqg==,US,,1438644945
49057904,49064141,2015-08-03 23:39:46,">>49063854
Yes it certainly is :) 
Also, it is also important to define what the hell metaphor is whenever it is used. I used this in the ancient sense where the sign and the thing that is symbolized are closely connected to each other. I used it in the sense that it reflects higher reality made comprehensible through the use of human words and expressions. I do not use this in the modern sense such as for example Aslan the lion being a metaphor for Christ. 
Even then I grant that you can't just allegorize everything even under the definition I just pointed out. There are stuff that must remain historically true, otherwise, might as well treat the Bible as a huge chronological story book fiction. However there are also stuff that need not be literal as in happening in the way the plain text describes.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438645186
49057904,49064287,2015-08-03 23:43:18,">>49063854
>The problem is that you get closer and closer away from being a religion and become closer to a philosophy.
I don't see this as a problem for humanity as a whole, but it certainly is one to theologians.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438645398
49057904,49064388,2015-08-03 23:46:06,">>49064141
I guess that's more of a religious concept. Sort of like how the Pope doesn't literally have the keys to have but he does figuratively. 
That's how you improve a religion really. Modern Hinduism is highly allegorical. This requires a trained priesthood.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438645566
49057904,49064588,2015-08-03 23:51:41,">>49063591
Was this response meant for me? I'm not sure how it relates to what I had posted (except one quip about happiness)",,Dick Dorkins,Richard Dawkins and Adolf Hitler and swastika and nazism.jpg,GnV8UnwbLN30ElWQCm2fpA==,US,,1438645901
49057904,49064627,2015-08-03 23:52:37,">>49064388
Same with Buddhism. However most of the laity are going to see the Bodhisattvas, Vishnu, Ganesh...etc as some sort of actual and real deity(comparable to how Catholicism and Orthodoxy would view Mary I guess). 
Also to the Vatican the keys are not literal keys. They are simply a representation and symbol of the authority that according to their interpretation of Scripture was given to Peter. 
Christianity at least historically is quite highly allegorical. The Reformation changed all that into the shit that we see today.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438645957
49057904,49064934,2015-08-04 00:00:24,">>49064588
Were the one to write the thing about Secular Humanism. If it's true that the goal of the philosophy is long lasting happiness it's a big point.
And it really just sounds like a modified version of Unitarianism which is about maximizing happiness and reducing pain. It makes a case that certain happiness (ie culture) are worth more).
From what I can tell the difference is that Secular humanism is only interested in your own happiness while Unitarianism treats everyone's happiness as equal. 
Like I said I've never looked into Humanism is before, but it seems to be popular with Dawkins loving atheists. Is there anything more complicated to it than just happiness?
>>49064627
I think literal religious beliefs is a sign of degeneracy. It means you stop caring about consequences and just want to follow things out of habit. All religious have to be modified to stay modern, although there reaches a point where they can't be modified anymore without destroying it. That's what happened to the Roman religion. People got too smart and realized that Neptune didn't make any sense. An invisible formless God in an unseen space seemed far more believable.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438646424
49057904,49065118,2015-08-04 00:05:24,">>49064934
>Is there anything more complicated to it than just happiness?
Well, happiness itself is a complicated subject. For example, a common argument against utilitarianism is a machine that just feeds you pleasure to maximize utility. This wouldn't work against humanism, because honestly I have no idea what ultimate happiness would look like. 
We make choices in life that shape who we are, and we should always try to be someone that is fulfilled and happy with themselves. A layman might simply say ""be a good person"", and I think that is a kind of humanism. It's not as concrete as I think you may believe. Many secular humanists derive their morals from different sources, and come up with different conclusions than ""happiness"".",,Anonymous,Professor_Richard_Dawkins_-_March_2005.jpg,U0crIiOofsrcf2yOFw6Q2w==,US,,1438646724
49057904,49065243,2015-08-04 00:08:24,">>49064934
>It means you stop caring about consequences and just want to follow things out of habit.
My guess it depends what those literal beliefs are. If it is something akin to Calvinism then yeah it is degenerate. If it is something that emphasizes human dignity and allows for self habitation towards the benefit of human beings all together then no, it isn't degenerate to me. 
>People got too smart and realized that Neptune didn't make any sense. An invisible formless God in an unseen space seemed far more believable.
It might be the path of Christianity should it continue down it's current trend. The only good Christianity left I can see is the EOs and OOs. Without them, Christianity will not stand any chance against the rising tide of degeneracy and disbelief.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438646904
49057904,49065265,2015-08-04 00:08:52,">>49057904
I'm an agnostic polytheist, but I grew up atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438646932
49057904,49065318,2015-08-04 00:09:50,">>49065265
Tell us your story, anon",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438646990
49057904,49065386,2015-08-04 00:11:48,">>49063673
That's hardly a surviving path. It's a slow death, more united around antagonism of cultural enemies (gays, atheists, pro-choicers, etc) than around coherent central tenets.
Christianity is doomed. It will be a major religion for another few centuries, but always in decline, at least in Western nations. China might prop it up for some time, they seem to be getting a lot of converts.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438647108
49057904,49065490,2015-08-04 00:14:23,">>49065265
> agnostic polytheist
Wow. Interesting do tell us more :)
I tried drawing Fedora chan in a less satirical fashion with my crappy skills, 
>>49011760
If there's any artists here, go forth and contribute Fedora chans in the /pol/ drawthread.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438647263
49057904,49065511,2015-08-04 00:14:53,">>49065243
What is Calvinism anyway.
As for degeneracy I feel like there's starting to develop a counter force in younger men, it's not very well organized and there's still a lot of dumb ideas but it's growing.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438647293
49057904,49065666,2015-08-04 00:18:26,">>49065490
>I tried drawing Fedora chan in a less satirical fashion with my crappy skills,
Where is your drawing?",,Dick Dorkins,Fedora_League.jpg,URTu3lZUjW3Fh9Tv+sFo5w==,US,,1438647506
49057904,49065679,2015-08-04 00:18:41,">>49063825
Because the Earth is only 2015 years old, dingus.",,Anonymous,1430233505521.gif,Y9KNtmUlHyT31ckkc97+xg==,CA,,1438647521
49057904,49065787,2015-08-04 00:21:11,">>49065511
Calvinism in a nutshell is summarized into five points that is TULIP
Total Depravity-Human beings are so totally depraved that they cannot turn to God. God must intervene to save them from Hell
Unconditional Election-God chooses who to Save and Damn prior to Creating everything. The person plays no part at all in choosing God then(Predestination basically)
Limited Atonement-Jesus's atonement is solely for the elect, not for everyone
Irresistible Grace- Nobody can resist God's Grace once it is inflicted upon them. They become pawns for God
Preservation of the Saints-Basically Once Saved Always Saved. If you fall away it's because you are the Reprobate who is chosen by God to be damned.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438647671
49057904,49065807,2015-08-04 00:21:40,">>49065666
In the Drawthread which I linked",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438647700
49057904,49065911,2015-08-04 00:24:34,">>49065679
Haven't seen that gif in ages",,Anonymous,mona pizza pepe.png,GP1o+iPM0y80v6/fbPni/w==,US,,1438647874
49057904,49066086,2015-08-04 00:29:19,">>49065787
This is highly advanced nihilism. Not only are humans disgusting, there is zero free will, but at the end of it God is an ass-hole. Can't even suicide your way out.
What's Oriental Orthodox like? That just Orthodox+Confucianism?",,OuterLimits,1438661404971.jpg,gUcd6k2mYkapYL0bDqTiSQ==,US,,1438648159
49057904,49066102,2015-08-04 00:29:40,"Just to be clear, I’m not a professional ‘quote maker’. I’m just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact over any silly fiction book written 3,500 years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism.
‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.’",,Anonymous,ndgt.jpg,x28CyKZS4YLveLa2WjI1sw==,US,,1438648180
49057904,49066151,2015-08-04 00:31:03,">>49057904
This butthurt about people referring to themselves as ""agnostic"" is the most pedantic bullshit ever. You know what they fucking mean.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438648263
49057904,49066340,2015-08-04 00:36:21,">>49066086
Yes, it's a horrible system which quite ironically formed the basis of modern capitalism given that people are looking for ways to cope with such an existence. 
>What's Oriental Orthodox like? That just Orthodox+Confucianism?
the OOs are basically like the EOs. They split from them because of Christological matters(they basically believe that Christ has the unity of Divine and Human natures contra to the belief in Divine and Human natures). Today, most of the EOs would see the OOs as actual Orthodox brethren. 
Having said that, Confucianism is quite compatible with Orthodoxy and can even give the justification for elaborate liturgical rituals and veneration of the saints.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438648581
49057904,49066844,2015-08-04 00:49:45,">>49066340
Confucianism can pretty much be applied to any positive organized religion",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438649385
49057904,49067552,2015-08-04 01:08:40,"Discussion question. Has anyone met those crazy New Age people? A lot of the girls in my family are into this. Just starting to talking about 'planet energy' coming to your mind through meditation out of the blue.
I tried explaining this but it's hopless.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438650520
49057904,49067642,2015-08-04 01:11:11,">>49067552
No, but I found this video hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eqCaiwmr_M",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438650671
49057904,49068495,2015-08-04 01:33:46,">>49065666
whos is the person at the very front of the group. I recognize everyone else I think.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438652026
49057904,49068548,2015-08-04 01:35:13,">>49068495
It's gotta be Hitchens",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438652113
49057904,49068619,2015-08-04 01:37:07,">>49068548
Thats what i thought but it doesnt really look like him . Hitchens had a very large forehead",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438652227
49057904,49069034,2015-08-04 01:48:59,">>49068619
Someone mentioned you >>49062377",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438652939
49057904,49069140,2015-08-04 01:51:34,">>49065666
It's a nice picture. It's actually pretty true though.
Nietzsche and Darwin started this and their successors picked it up after they died.
If you went back to the 1400s century and told the clergy that in 600 years their power would be threatened by a stage magicians, comedians, actors, and scientists they would have said you were insane and probably possessed by the devil. It's kind of ridiculous how easily the religion is threatened. 
Also have you noticed that different religions have different levels of damage done to them by the 'atheist threat'? Taoism, Buddhism, and a lot of the other superior eastern religions are less harmed. They can survive off their philosophical and cultural virtues. Christianity and Islam are much more damaged because they are not as sophisticated.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438653094
49057904,49069466,2015-08-04 02:02:02,">>49069140
It's such a cool fuckin' drawing, I wish some of the drawfags here would do something like that for the /pol/ characters.",,Dick Dorkins,uncolored_sword.jpg,/Vh4F1fej6Wh/P3RXuflkg==,US,,1438653722
49057904,49069575,2015-08-04 02:05:26,">>49058123
don't equate me to that belgic wanker",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438653926
49057904,49069998,2015-08-04 02:19:18,">>49066844
Depends on the systems of belief I guess.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438654758
49057904,49070391,2015-08-04 02:31:25,">>49067552
No and I'm glad I didn't. 
But I dunno what is worse, having cousins that talk about new age bullcrap or being all about SJW bullcrap. 
>TFW one of my ironically Catholic cousin posted a rainbow pic of herself and supported the US decision to legalize gay marriage. Spoiler alert, she's also fat.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438655485
49057904,49070468,2015-08-04 02:34:13,">>49070391
>Spoiler alert, she's also fat.
Lel. Why is she an ironic Catholic? Just liberal stuff like this? I don't see any reason I Catholic should oppose government contracts for gay people.
>>49067552
You should tell us more about the girls in your family, you seem to be the only one that has experience with these people. Why'd they do it? Do you ever talk to them about it critically?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438655653
49057904,49070657,2015-08-04 02:40:45,">>49057904
>and seek truth
you seek it, because it went out the window when you became atheists..
also fuck off to >>>/sci/ where you belong",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438656045
49057904,49070704,2015-08-04 02:42:14,">>49070657
Are you actually being anti-science?",,Dick Dorkins,i-821dbc0322b1de4b20fb188bc572d5c8-dawkins.jpg,03V0K7CI7Ud2Q/3uLmoh7w==,US,,1438656134
49057904,49070750,2015-08-04 02:43:48,">>49070704
He's a gypsy. He's anti-everything that doesn't involve stealing or fraud",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438656228
49057904,49070798,2015-08-04 02:45:01,">>49070468
Catholics are naturally opposed to gay marriage. She's also quite devout and is involved in her parish's youth ministry. 
>>49070657
Romania-kun, go purge some Gypsies to relieve your anger and frustration",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438656301
49057904,49070837,2015-08-04 02:46:27,"Why would anyone want to be a weak, faggot Atheist? You are nothing but life denying scum like your forefathers, the Christians. Atheism is just Christianism without God.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438656387
49057904,49070891,2015-08-04 02:48:04,">>49070391
New Age has leftism built into it. It's even less authoritarian than protestant and has zero traditions since everyone just believes and does what they want. Also the value judgments made in their interpretation are super egalitarian. ""Everyone is made of the same spirit energy so we are all equal""
At least they are funny to laugh at. I wonder if they can ever get big? They seem to be growing by affixing them-self to other religions. You can be a new-age Christian. I can only imagine if a Church becomes filled with New Age pastors. I kind of think their lack of any unified beliefs what so ever will prevent that.
The gay marriage thing is kind of inconsequential really. It's not like the gays are going to marry and have children anyway? The problem with the gays is really their culture. In a perfect situation all of them would want children and get a surrogate mother/sperm bank. They would strive to fit into culture rather than rebel against it.
The family is fucking dead in America. Divorce rates exceed 50%, being a housewife is stigmatized which robs children of a mother's presence in their early life, women do not know how to be women and men do not know how to be men.
I imagine it's actually better oversea's where the degenerate parts of our culture have not yet fucked up your country?",,OuterLimits,1411851094143.jpg,LEUP7Eb5RHNAkwor+xi5Kg==,US,,1438656484
49057904,49070900,2015-08-04 02:48:22,">>49070704
>Are you actually being anti-science?
I liked science until they tried to be religion",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438656502
49057904,49070932,2015-08-04 02:49:00,">>49070900
Dubs confirm",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1438656540
49057904,49070942,2015-08-04 02:49:23,">>49070837
How can I go to Valhalla? 
Where can I listen to the wisdom of the great and mighty Odin?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438656563
49057904,49070944,2015-08-04 02:49:24,">>49070750
>>49070798
look at this, two replies and both attack me for being from romania
you are not embarassed by any chance, to make such a stupid comment?",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438656564
49057904,49070964,2015-08-04 02:50:11,">2015
>still following Gaytheism
>""we seek the trooths waek up sheeple""
You fedoras make me laugh",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1438656611
49057904,49071000,2015-08-04 02:51:27,">>49070942
Are you Norse?",,Odin,,,AU,,1438656687
49057904,49071058,2015-08-04 02:53:27,">>49070468
There are many American Catholics (note how I did that placement) who have become Americanized to the culture as well as becoming permeated by predominant Protestant influences. It's how Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi can claim to be good Catholics despite being complacent with abortion or Steven Colbert also claiming to be a good Catholic despite approving of same-sex marriages. The American strain of Catholicism is something else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438656807
49057904,49071063,2015-08-04 02:53:38,">>49071000
No. 
Is Odinism merely for Nordic peoples? 
How can I become Nordic peoples then? 
>>49070944
Hey, I didn't even label you as a Gypsy. I like Orthodoxy too. It's the best and final remnant of based Christianity. I advice you, preserve it well.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438656818
49057904,49071076,2015-08-04 02:54:19,">>49071000
No, he's the anime-shit that makes the '/pol/ drawthreads' and all that
He role-plays just like all autistic anime fedoras",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1438656859
49057904,49071091,2015-08-04 02:54:58,">>49070964
>Gaytheism
Did you get that from this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7607YiBso",,Dick Dorkins,richard_dawkins_god_religion.jpg,IAP3kUfFE5AG8IHwZx3unQ==,US,,1438656898
49057904,49071215,2015-08-04 02:58:54,">>49071063
You can't be a Pagan unless you are Norse, go worship your own god.
>>49071076
He is a non-white, so of course he is shit. Just watch a Strongman competition, all white, Norsemen.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438657134
49057904,49071268,2015-08-04 03:01:03,"VALHALLA
Deliverance
Have you ever forgotten meeeeee",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1438657263
49057904,49071313,2015-08-04 03:02:37,">>49070900
>bash on atheists
>say you don't like things like religions",,Dick Dorkins,enough.jpg,yfQNeCVDw3G/WcncRCbpOQ==,US,,1438657357
49057904,49071316,2015-08-04 03:02:39,">>49070944
Shut up, you stupid gypsy. Go put curses on your neighbor's dog or something",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438657359
49057904,49071403,2015-08-04 03:05:22,">>49070891
Yeah I guess so. At least we can have something to mock and laugh at. The problem I see is that they seem to be getting more popular. 
However I don't think conservative Protestantism can accommodate all that New Age stuff. It would be deemed as idolatrous. The liberal Protestants could however potentially embrace this crap. 
Not so sure about the gay marriage thing but when it was big news, Christians are ironically submitting to the SJWs by claiming how they won't condemn the gays to hell and how they and Jesus love them. One friend of mine even shared a post from some fat fag named Josh Furgstein or something. It's like I'm witnessing the slow death of Christianity. 
In Malaysia at least, there's still family and housewives. If I were a grill who gotten married in Malaysia for example, I can be a housewife(my mom is one but used to work as a secretary) or I can even work and still have kids. Nobody would give me weird looks or anything. But all this will change when more and more Malaysians like me study overseas(Usually UK, Aussie, NZ or US). They might get influenced by such ideas and spread the infection to us all.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438657522
49057904,49071471,2015-08-04 03:07:56,">>49057904
>this thread
Can't wait until the day of the rope",,Anonymous,1419007856383.jpg,XhOKnPOdKkMiasP/UnKbiQ==,DE,,1438657676
49057904,49071476,2015-08-04 03:08:07,">What is the meaning of life?
Life is the universe's latest innovation in entropic technology. We are accelerating the process of achieving uniform thermal equilibrium. We literally exist to help the universe commit suicide, and the only way we can fail at this task is by destroying ourselves.
The rest is just a really intense game of Dungeons and Dragons.
I'm a Chaotic Neutral Cleric with no weapons.",,Anonymous,hyperreality illustrated.jpg,jdmOcV/StmDGiXe43OjnLQ==,US,,1438657687
49057904,49071479,2015-08-04 03:08:20,">>49071471
Hi, Ahmed.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438657700
49057904,49071529,2015-08-04 03:10:20,">>49071476
>I'm a Chaotic Neutral Cleric with no weapons.
Arm yourself, brother. It is your second amendment right.",,Dick Dorkins,dies-inhaling-fumes-burning-american-flag.jpg,lUKY1gef221wNtusK+9Iug==,US,,1438657820
49057904,49071540,2015-08-04 03:10:43,">>49071076
>No, he's the anime-shit that makes the '/pol/ drawthreads' and all that
lel, Go to the /pol/ drawthreads and you can easily see that I ain't the one who make them. I like them too :)
>He role-plays just like all autistic anime fedoras
My love for Outerlimits chan is real though :)
>>49071215
>You can't be a Pagan unless you are Norse, go worship your own god.
What if the religions associated with my culture are non theistic in nature? 
Personally I don't even know if a God exists or not yet alone gods.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438657843
49057904,49071580,2015-08-04 03:12:25,">>49071471
>the day of the rope
Is that when the Pious Observers of Basement Dwellium escape from their underground Nice Guy Prisons and teach the world the Might Word of God by the Force of their Foam Larp Swords of Righteousness?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438657945
49057904,49071631,2015-08-04 03:14:08,">>49071529
I'm limited to Blunt weapon proficiency.
I don't like breaking character. The DM gets mad.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438658048
49057904,49071640,2015-08-04 03:14:21,">>49071580
You won't be laughing when that day comes.
>>49071479
Nice fedora
No wonder you are in love with that faggot Dawkins",,Anonymous,1424382065150.jpg,HIIGyMwWYndnrq9c1XsZLQ==,DE,,1438658061
49057904,49071655,2015-08-04 03:14:54,">>49071540
I don't care what you do, kid, but you're not Norse so stay away from our gods.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438658094
49057904,49071676,2015-08-04 03:15:31,">seek truth
the atheist ideology stole 8 years of intellectual curiosity from me. it prompted me to go into physics, which is a blessing. i'm lucky for that and other things. i still don't think it's meaningful to believe god interferes with my life, but life is better in the spirit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438658131
49057904,49071681,2015-08-04 03:15:39,">>49071640
I'm a Norse fucking Pagan, you little brown cunt. You don't want to talk shit to me, faggot.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438658139
49057904,49071697,2015-08-04 03:16:20,"Atheism wouldn't exist without religion.
Checkmate fedoras.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1438658180
49057904,49071705,2015-08-04 03:16:49,">>49071681
I'm white and christian you aussie faggot.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438658209
49057904,49071720,2015-08-04 03:17:30,">>49071655
I killed Odin by shooting him in the face with a shotgun after he threatened to kill me for not being Norse.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438658250
49057904,49071746,2015-08-04 03:18:31,">>49071640
Oooh I'm so scared, please don't aim your spells and curses at me, o noble Warrior of Christ.
What are you going to do, yell 'Lightningbolt' at me?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438658311
49057904,49071814,2015-08-04 03:21:18,">>49071705
You can't be white and Christian, you forfeited your whiteness when you started worshipping a Jew.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438658478
49057904,49071827,2015-08-04 03:21:36,">>49057904
U misspelled Autism,",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1438658496
49057904,49071862,2015-08-04 03:22:43,">>49071814
Go shave your neckbeard.
>>49071746
I don't need to do anything right now, god will punish you in time.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438658563
49057904,49071892,2015-08-04 03:23:57,,,Anonymous,dawkins-cuck.jpg,WHz/olqXtP+LrJTJkzFhrg==,AU,,1438658637
49057904,49071918,2015-08-04 03:24:49,">>49071862
Right, because you're too beta for it, apparently. 
Shit, at least the Muslims are willing to die for their loony bullshit. Christians are just all talk, no action",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438658689
49057904,49071933,2015-08-04 03:25:23,">>49071862
Great argument, Jew.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438658723
49057904,49071945,2015-08-04 03:25:43,">>49071316
fuck off from this board you walking embarassment.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438658743
49057904,49071975,2015-08-04 03:26:54,">>49071814
christianity is the only way to depart from judaism and its law. you are goyim until you accept christ.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438658814
49057904,49071994,2015-08-04 03:27:46,">>49071945
Look, don't you have a gyppo crystal ball to look into to fortell illiterate peasants their future while your brother picks their pockets?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438658866
49057904,49072001,2015-08-04 03:27:59,">>49071403
I think feminism seems to only be a white person thing, I think you have a higher tolerance for it.
One thing that is nice about degeneracy is that in the long run it cannot 'win'. It is not interested in creating, only destroying or inverting. All of it's long term goals are completely unobtainable like Communism. On the other hand it can't lose either because it is created out of the shadow of the successful. As long as X group is successful there will be people that hate them for their success. Soren Kierkegaard's (and later Nietzsche's) resentment concept covers this.
I honestly am not sure how we will escape this. I think the only way might be to have some sort of Hitler like person gain political power and reform things. It wouldn't need to involve another Shoah either. Historically big changes always come from monopolizing political power, democracy is not good for big scale changes (for better or worst).
>>49071580
Christianity is going Leftist.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438658879
49057904,49072023,2015-08-04 03:28:36,">>49071975
Yeah, I'm totally worshipping Yahweh and accepting the laws of the Torah as a Norse Pagan. You're a retard, Yahweh is a Jewish god and you worship him, you've been cucked by Jews and you're trying to rationalise it.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438658916
49057904,49072030,2015-08-04 03:28:42,">>49071892
Yeah Dawkins is a well known mulsim lover",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438658922
49057904,49072061,2015-08-04 03:29:28,">>49071975
>literally worshiping the king of the Jews!",,OuterLimits,Jew King.png,vcxsavx05bG7/0VS9hKxjw==,US,,1438658968
49057904,49072094,2015-08-04 03:31:03,">>49071994
well I do have a ball, and your future is bleak. Look at your pathetic unprovoked attacks at me for no other reason that I am from a particular country.
Lowest level of shitposting. Seriously leave just, fuck off, from this board man, it's since people like you are here that /pol/ is going down and fast.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438659063
49057904,49072112,2015-08-04 03:31:39,">>49072023
god gave us his son and left. yaweh is still here with your norse gods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438659099
49057904,49072132,2015-08-04 03:32:24,">>49072061
can you imagine what power that is? if you are not king of the jews what are you? a jew.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438659144
49057904,49072154,2015-08-04 03:33:08,">>49072112
Your god is fucking Yahweh, faggot. You worship Jews.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438659188
49057904,49072204,2015-08-04 03:35:30,">>49072001
>I think feminism seems to only be a white person thing, I think you have a higher tolerance for it.
It depends how it is presented. If some SJW says that it means equal rights for both male and female then hell yeah, let's go ""muh feminism"". If it involves whining about crap like how women are persecuted by a so called patriarchy and devolve into the Laci Green kinda thing, get me out of it. I personally don't know if feminism is a thing in Malaysia. I haven't heard any women complain about the patriarchy yet. 
Personally I don't know if some hero will come into power and stop all this. It just seems like a sort of Christianity to me. Christianity awaits for Jesus and God to come again and it seems Nietzsche and Marx both maintained this similar mindset, a hope that someone will step up and change things. Maybe it might happen, maybe it wouldn't. It sometimes seems like wishful thinking eventhough the possibility of such is real and not nonsensical. 
Forgive me if I'm wrong but are you existentialist?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438659330
49057904,49072208,2015-08-04 03:35:34,">>49072154
god gave us his son, and then he left forever. you have the choice to live in the spirit. you don't understand what i'm saying.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438659334
49057904,49072240,2015-08-04 03:37:08,">>49072208
I don't care what a Jew said 2000 years ago. Go worship your dead kike on a stick.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438659428
49057904,49072307,2015-08-04 03:40:31,">>49072240
i will. i have a lot of fun doing it. i'm a physicist in my spare time too. what do you do for fun?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438659631
49057904,49072347,2015-08-04 03:42:02,">>49072204
>existentialist
I guess it depends what you mean. I think there is no objective meaning to life and we define our own existence.
I am not a nihilist.
>>49072208
Your interpenetration of Jesus is him as a passive aggressive asshole. He intentionally mutilates himself for attention and than bitches at you when you don't give him any.
This is in my books not a God, it's not even a real man.
You might wanna rethink your Christianity, or not and I can laugh at you and your God's faggot wrist-cutting.",,OuterLimits,1437355255860.jpg,56ezX3gsVvUa1/g4Wmas+A==,US,,1438659722
49057904,49072359,2015-08-04 03:42:49,repent,,Anonymous,1420484173807.gif,1ETgq6jSAA77NrTF49o+SA==,US,,1438659769
49057904,49072374,2015-08-04 03:43:29,">>49072347
>Your interpenetration of Jesus is him as a passive aggressive asshole. 
you're so smart you even know what i'm thinking. god bless atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438659809
49057904,49072404,2015-08-04 03:44:26,">>49072307
Burn churches.",,Odin,,,AU,,1438659866
49057904,49072416,2015-08-04 03:44:46,">>49072208
>god gave us his son
Jew detected.
>These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2010",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438659886
49057904,49072512,2015-08-04 03:48:10,">>49072416
>The kingdom of heaven has come near
you'd be wise to join us",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438660090
49057904,49072516,2015-08-04 03:48:21,">>49072347
Well I guess you are one :)
>>49072404
I burn effigies of Odin and Thor everyday.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438660101
49057904,49072536,2015-08-04 03:49:12,"Atheism, not even once!",,Anonymous,unsheathes katana (121).jpg,ghbLwMDZbcBp3hmP8Wox6A==,DE,,1438660152
49057904,49072548,2015-08-04 03:49:38,">>49072374
Before you fucking told me that Jesus died for me and I need to believe in him.
All I did was replace the word die with 'mutilate' and 'believe in him' with 'give him attention.
Which means almost the exact same thing but shows the disgusting side of your religion.
Also what's with this snarky little insult 'god bless atheism'? You are using the Lord's name in vain. Show's how much you actually care about your God! Didn't Jesus say blessed are the humble? Blessed are you those that are peresicuted for following me? You are doing the exact OPPOSITE of what your God teaches.
You are no Christian. You are little bitch that probably never read the bible and just invokes God's name whenever you want to enforce your own opinions.",,OuterLimits,1437719834437.png,o+FcvPCI8stblMO9+91REA==,US,,1438660178
49057904,49072613,2015-08-04 03:52:02,">>49072548
>Also what's with this snarky little insult 'god bless atheism'?
it's not an insult, you're feeling offended by what i say.
also, i can say fuck god all i want, why would god care? god loves me, and i love him. fuck god. why do those words hold so much power over you?
>You are no Christian. You are little bitch that probably never read the bible and just invokes God's name whenever you want to enforce your own opinions.
what opinion have i shared? no true scotsman.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438660322
49057904,49072651,2015-08-04 03:53:10,">>49072512
Given that the passage I just gave you says that would happen before Jesus' followers could even travel through all of Israel and it never has happened you would be wise to treat the whole thing as a load of bollocks.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438660390
49057904,49072689,2015-08-04 03:54:45,">>49072613
>also, i can say fuck god all i want, why would god care? god loves me, and i love him. fuck god. 
Didn't know you are a theo-philiac. Degenerate scum.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438660485
49057904,49072700,2015-08-04 03:55:10,">>49072651
i mostly treat popular opinion of christians and catholicism as a load of bollocks, thank you for the advice",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438660510
49057904,49072724,2015-08-04 03:56:06,">>49072689
oh my gosh!?! i'm a theo-philiac????!?!? wow i had no idea i better go take what you just said seriously",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438660566
49057904,49072765,2015-08-04 03:57:44,">>49072700
I'm glad you think the bible is a load of bollocks. I agree.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438660664
49057904,49072816,2015-08-04 03:59:51,">>49072765
in what sense? old testament controls your life, not mine.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438660791
49057904,49072818,2015-08-04 03:59:54,">>49072613
You honestly sound more like an edgy Fedora
""Yeah I can sweat at God! I'm totally cool!""
""Fuck God""
If you tried that in Church you'd get smacked on the head by the priest, or your parents.
I honestly don't know how to respond to you anymore, you clearly have no respect for your own religion. Well thanks for helping to end Christianity, I guess.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438660794
49057904,49072825,2015-08-04 04:00:20,">>49072724
Well you are so fixated on fucking God that you claimed you can say ""fuck God"" all you want.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438660820
49057904,49072851,2015-08-04 04:01:26,"Atheism is extremely boring, though. I prefer enjoyment in spiritual practices, doesn't really matter if I'm wrong or not.
>but you could be misleading someone!
So could you, don't know enough to know. I'm not bothered by people believing different than me, nor do I care if someone thinks my worldview makes sense. I'll enjoy it til the day I die, and there's nothing anyone can change about that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438660886
49057904,49072882,2015-08-04 04:02:58,">>49072851
What spiritual practices? I think this is a good step for atheists provided it's not superstitious.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438660978
49057904,49072961,2015-08-04 04:06:00,">>49072816
See >>49072651",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438661160
49057904,49072973,2015-08-04 04:06:18,">>49072818
why do the words ""fuck god"" hold power over you? i'm not bothered by my use of them, and you seem to be. 
>>49072825
what's more amazing is you claim to not believe. 
>If you tried that in Church you'd get smacked on the head by the priest, or your parents.
i'm not a catholic. please try and understand that.
you are confusing me with typical christians, who are scared god holds reign. i'm not scared of him. he loves me. i understand the world might kill me at any instant. any real god would not be so petty to think about killing me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438661178
49057904,49072988,2015-08-04 04:06:57,">>49072882
Better not ask. He might be Catholic.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438661217
49057904,49073015,2015-08-04 04:08:07,">>49072882
It's very superstitious. Doesn't seem to stop some atheists from delving in for the sake of experimenting for themselves, though.
Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely skeptical person, but it stemmed from an attitude of being correct. I can't know that in spirituality without trying; and frankly I enjoy the practices.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438661287
49057904,49073023,2015-08-04 04:08:25,>>49057904,,Anonymous,image.jpg,0F8M9I/VUJP+159djcf6Rg==,US,,1438661305
49057904,49073030,2015-08-04 04:08:37,">>49072961
the passage is christ telling his disciples not to bother with unbelievers....why am i here then? because until very recently i was a staunch atheist. i think many of you are of christian stock and were led astray in the same way i was.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438661317
49057904,49073084,2015-08-04 04:10:34,">>49072973
>? i'm not bothered by my use of them, and you seem to be.
there used to be a time, in a galaxy far far away, where people used to be decent, and did not slander the name of god. it held some meaning. 
Needless to say you are not among those decent people.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438661434
49057904,49073107,2015-08-04 04:11:15,">>49072973
You sound like Protestant scum to me. Do whatever you want cuz Jesus loves me right? Don't need no preacher to know what the Lord wants (it's whatever I want!). 
And no 'fuck god' does not have power over me. I don't even believe God exists and I've said far worst things about him. I called your Jesus a wrist-cutting faggot. If you want we can hang out and listen to Satanic Metal together too!
I'm just amazed your concept of God is ""he loves me. the end"" I had no idea the religion could be so shallow.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438661475
49057904,49073176,2015-08-04 04:14:00,">>49073030
>why am i here then?
I'm not a mind reader.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438661640
49057904,49073276,2015-08-04 04:17:29,">>49073084
wow i'm so hurt, a catholic doesn't want me. like you believe in christ. like you care enough to question the authority that ties you to your pyramids.
>>49073107
>You sound like Protestant scum to me
bingo! 
>Do whatever you want cuz Jesus loves me right? Don't need no preacher to know what the Lord wants (it's whatever I want!)
incorrect!
>If you want we can hang out and listen to Satanic Metal together too!
idk about satanic metal, i think slayer is pretty cool though. these days i can't really stand anything but beethoven
>I'm just amazed your concept of God is ""he loves me. the end"" I had no idea the religion could be so shallow.
what more meaning have you found in your life?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438661849
49057904,49073292,2015-08-04 04:17:54,">>49073176
no, but you're literate and i'm sure you read the next sentence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438661874
49057904,49073307,2015-08-04 04:18:12,">Why aren't you agnostic master race?
>We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know
Lol true",,Anonymous,jesus_laughing41.jpg,ukWhq213HRjZgaw8ZzJ5nw==,AU,,1438661892
49057904,49073319,2015-08-04 04:18:37,">>49058229
>>49058230
I'm atheist but saying CE instead of AD is retarded.",,Anonymous,fasdf.jpg,mHYF2TeSZdGGsI36EVGdmA==,GB,,1438661917
49057904,49073375,2015-08-04 04:20:34,"How does it feel to agree with liberals?
reddit.com/r/atheism",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438662034
49057904,49073392,2015-08-04 04:21:13,">>49073107
Welcome to Protestantism :) 
As long as that shit is what he got from Scripture Alone, he is free to believe it. No one can correct him or it would be a stalemate of interpretations. Not even the theologians of the Early Church would hold sway against this type of bullcrap. 
Well, John Calvin opened the door to this by making God distant from Creation. The Divine no longer can be mediated through physical means or actions. All worship is spiritual. Even Luther who didn't go as far as him in disenchanting the world hated that guy.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438662073
49057904,49073445,2015-08-04 04:23:23,">>49073292
That didn't provide an answer.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438662203
49057904,49073534,2015-08-04 04:26:41,If god is real then why are there still so many niggers and mudslimes? Seems like god didnt a pretty shitty job.,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438662401
49057904,49073578,2015-08-04 04:28:11,">>49073445
sorry then
>>49073392
it's a coupling of words in a sentence. do you think saying fuck god is as worthy as the love i feel?
i'm so glad rome lives on through catholicism, you all really enrich our community with your pious judgement, i sure hope you cleared it up with a bishop or cardinal or something beforehand, your soul might depend on it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438662491
49057904,49073624,2015-08-04 04:29:54,">>49073392
I looked up your disenchant guy. Very good ideas, does his book go into much detail. The idea that the world is being 're-enchanted' is something I believe.
You can see the spirits of the dead religions rising up in art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBFWkCa-pk&list=PLKt5aBY95q9yvT7lhjDyq6tCn3_UKTBGm
Even the crusader has been resurrected with the Christians taking magic the gathering, dark souls, and warhammer art and dumping it in their threads
>>49073375
From our basics/faq
----Aren't all atheists liberal AND Why the future atheists will be conservatives or centralist.
A brief history of why atheists were liberal in the past an why it is changing.
In the past atheists were a very,very small minority. The right side of politics was openly in favor of trying to give special privilege to Christianity. Even if you sided with the conservatives on every single economic, legal, and social issue it was still difficult to justify siding with people that want bible-study in school. As time has gone on conservative politics has stopped focusing on religion making us atheists feel more comfortable in them.
Another thing to note is that the boom in atheism was in young people. Young people are already very liberal and grow more conservative as they grow up. Even the youtube atheist fags have started to become closer to centralist or conservatives. 
The basis for atheism is rationality and skepticism. Far leftism is values personal feelings more than rationality.
The Christians will be the liberals. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438662594
49057904,49073635,2015-08-04 04:30:14,">>49073392
>>49073578
i'd like to add, it's so impressive that until you met a protestant you were providing truth to the atheists, now it's goddamn these heretics they don't follow my vision of authority",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438662614
49057904,49073732,2015-08-04 04:33:09,">>49073578
I didn't know I still identify as Catholic. Yeah I still admittedly have my rosary but that's mainly as a reminder of my past as one. 
In college, I sometimes wear that same rosary around and meditate on it just to tick the Protestants off. It's like pure liberation to me when they all think such is idolatrous. 
Honestly why do you curse your own God?
I wouldn't even say what you did to the people I love but ironically, a Christian who loves God proclaimed with pride how he can say that all he wants.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438662789
49057904,49073770,2015-08-04 04:34:22,">>49073624
>The basis for atheism is rationality and skepticism. Far leftism is values personal feelings more than rationality.
>The Christians will be the liberals. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html
one sentence claims rationality...the next protests ideology. which one do you stand for?
protestantism is more rational than you're told.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438662862
49057904,49073860,2015-08-04 04:37:24,"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
Anyone here can counter this video? Just watch the first 30 minutes.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1438663044
49057904,49073885,2015-08-04 04:38:15,"Salute to you sir!
+3 enlightened 
+5 euphoric",,Anonymous,image.jpg,9UxBGy7ap7B8UYMDTPAWhA==,US,,1438663095
49057904,49073891,2015-08-04 04:38:26,">>49073732
>I didn't know I still identify as Catholic. Yeah I still admittedly have my rosary but that's mainly as a reminder of my past as one.
identity and worship are far different matters. I think it's great you don't identify with your religion of birth (I do so for the community), but worship and ideology are more difficult to change than fair weather identity.
>In college, I sometimes wear that same rosary around and meditate on it just to tick the Protestants off. It's like pure liberation to me when they all think such is idolatrous. 
I was 100% fedora in college, lol.
>Honestly why do you curse your own God?
he's only with me in spirit. words are interpretation and not the spirit of truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438663106
49057904,49073892,2015-08-04 04:38:28,">>49073624
I haven't read his work yet. Most likely he would be going into detail. For some of Weber's ideas and stuff I recommend reading the SEP article about him and Stephen Kalberg's ""Max Weber: Readings and commentary on modernity"". 
Most of the stuff I got from Weber came from my Organizational Behavior and HR textbooks. It is after my exams that I decided to read more about him.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438663108
49057904,49074044,2015-08-04 04:43:59,">Richard,the most iconic atheist of the modern age speaks loud and proud against islam,jews,SJWs and dike feminism
>The people,the most iconic theist of the modern age cucks his entire church towards muslims,jews and sjws
Enough said,kick the christ-cucks out of /pol/ right now.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438663439
49057904,49074060,2015-08-04 04:44:27,">>49073860
>william lane craig
hes been defeated in almost every single debate hes ever had for a reason silly.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438663467
49057904,49074068,2015-08-04 04:44:52,">>49074044
*the pope
Fucking phone autocorrect.",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1438663492
49057904,49074097,2015-08-04 04:46:08,">>49073770
Protestantism what made creationism. The fucking creationist institutions are all Protestant and located in Texas. And you are trying to tell me it's rational?",,OuterLimits,2437365069896.png,Cu8r73CICg6lGqYg18BVnA==,US,,1438663568
49057904,49074134,2015-08-04 04:47:35,">>49057904
1. everything that begins to exist has a cause
2. the universe began to exist
3. therefore the universe has a cause
4. this cause is outside space-time immaterial enormously powerful and has agency, aka is GOD
Checkmate motherfuckers.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438663655
49057904,49074180,2015-08-04 04:49:11,">>49074134
>. the universe began to exist
actually i read something recently that quantum physicists are now saying its possible the universe has always existed. No god required ;) Let me look for it",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438663751
49057904,49074194,2015-08-04 04:49:49,I feel like atheists are retarded scum. It's just my personal feeling.,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1438663789
49057904,49074214,2015-08-04 04:50:43,">>49074180
>quantum physicists are now saying
scientists say many things, change stories many times these days. Unreliable.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1438663843
49057904,49074230,2015-08-04 04:51:25,">>49074194
How very christian of you. We love you too <3",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438663885
49057904,49074249,2015-08-04 04:52:08,">>49073891
You are right. The process of me getting out of belief didn't just came in an instant, it came within months of attending a Christian college and learning about Protestantism and the problems of Christianity that got me out. If it wasn't for the Orthodox I probably lose all respect for Christianity already. 
>he's only with me in spirit. words are interpretation and not the spirit of truth.
What do you mean by God being with you in spirit? From your theology it looks like you are not much different from the egotistical SJWs whose system of thought focuses on doing what they want rather than what is actually beneficial to us.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438663928
49057904,49074311,2015-08-04 04:53:59,">>49074214
>Unreliable.
OH? OH ? So science is unreliable huh? So the theory of gravity is unreliable? The science that allows for your computer is unreliable? How about the science for your car, heating, phone, TV, Internet, etc etc etc. Are they unreliable as well? Or are you just being silly ;) seems like you depend a lot on science for someone who doesnt think its a good thing. Perhaps you should be like jesus and be a wandering hermit in the desert with only the clothes on your back? Im sure he would be proud",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438664039
49057904,49074354,2015-08-04 04:55:42,">>49074134
You do know there was still something even before the Big Bang right? This is why I don't really find Craig's Cosmological argument to be sound. Only if there was really nothing prior to the Big Bang can he say that and by that I mean the philosophical definition of the term itself. 
His only escape is to posit that the creation of the universe is a-temporal, beyond time itself such that even if God made the universe, it is such that the universe is eternal. 
One of his vids on morality also didn't really convince me. I grant that Craig is a major figure in philosophy of religion and makes valid arguments but just because an argument is valid does it mean that it is immune to attack.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438664142
49057904,49074374,2015-08-04 04:56:41,">>49074354
*Does it not mean",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438664201
49057904,49074506,2015-08-04 05:01:35,">>49074134
Here.
>>49074354
My knowledge of the big bang is really outdated. Source?
>>49074249
Just to test my hypothesis. After you lost faith did you consuming a lot more science fiction and fantasy?",,OuterLimits,DreamHunterREMrem_sd.jpg,Ibr2Lr9lnZteLelQOBVt1g==,US,,1438664495
49057904,49074598,2015-08-04 05:04:36,">>49073023
where is rule 34 christ chan",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438664676
49057904,49074633,2015-08-04 05:05:41,">>49074134
>4. this cause is outside space-time immaterial enormously powerful and has agency, aka is GOD
Based on nothing, doesn't follow from the first 3, next",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438664741
49057904,49074657,2015-08-04 05:06:28,">>49074633
any jesus friends wander into this thread? I can answer ANY question",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438664788
49057904,49074690,2015-08-04 05:07:42,"I hope George Carlin, Ricky Gervais, and Charles Darwin experience rapid decompression to where they explode.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438664862
49057904,49074691,2015-08-04 05:07:47,">>49057904
dont you have a period tampon to be worshipping?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438664867
49057904,49074705,2015-08-04 05:08:35,">>49074506
Here's an intro about the basics of it,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MWRvLndzs
>Just to test my hypothesis. After you lost faith did you consuming a lot more science fiction and fantasy?
No but that might have to deal with the fact that this loss of faith led me to start my venture into philosophy, history of Christianity and exploring Orthodoxy + Eastern religions.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438664915
49057904,49074891,2015-08-04 05:15:53,">>49073860
william lane craig defends the call to genocide in Deut 20 as a morally good act because if God commands it, it is good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438665353
49057904,49074900,2015-08-04 05:16:11,">>49074690
George Carlin and Charles Darwin are dead, they aren't experiencing anything.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438665371
49057904,49075197,2015-08-04 05:26:35,">>49073860
>Loads of beer and pipes
>Expects WLC to be informally arguing with Atheists in a pub whilst smoking pot and dunking down beer
TFW there's none of that shit at all and WLC is just giving a normal formal speech.
The presence of Bahnsen's ""Presuppositional Apologetics"" in the show's opening is quite disgusting.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438665995
49111468,49111468,2015-08-04 21:07:34,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1438722454
49111468,49111498,2015-08-04 21:08:23,">>49111468
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos *new*
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *new*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Response to Theists Free Will Argument http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,1366012636701.jpg,3tYxz62omkAZL4RZ0MkwhQ==,US,,1438722503
49111468,49111873,2015-08-04 21:17:39,,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,6e810a256a4a6005c69ab714cad5d896.jpg,JHmhS/qXvopMDtJ5TW66lg==,CA,,1438723059
49111468,49111891,2015-08-04 21:18:03,,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,God-Bible-and-Religious-Quotes-44411-statusmind.com.jpg,renQrPdI6lJx8WnWoWszPA==,CA,,1438723083
49111468,49111919,2015-08-04 21:18:33,"Malaysia, Maple syrup, Outerlimits, assemble!",,Dick Dorkins,294058_279513458731297_100000179340982_1332918_560774739_n.jpg,KRqrT0mNpo3yP5qCT/k2NQ==,US,,1438723113
49111468,49111968,2015-08-04 21:19:41,">>49111891
Wow, what a spiteful, mean spirited bitch.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438723181
49111468,49112206,2015-08-04 21:25:20,">>49111468
Hello. I'm an atheist myself anyways and used to be apart of the Religion of Atheism, lead by dawkings, I eventually saw it's cult like behavior and started to speak out against it. However dawkins said I committed apostasy, or as he said ""tergiversation"" and that I should be killed.
I am worried about how the majority of atheists are autistic permavirgin losers with no GFs, I think this is what causes them to be atheists. They have very high suicide rates and I'm trying to find the cause of this. Could is be what they experienced in life? Like being permavirgin total losers
The rate of autism and suicide are very high and I wonder what will we atheists will do about it before our religion dies out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-hutson/autism-atheism_b_1557098.html
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303
Our religion has also been responsible for the genocide of hundreds of millions and we have been ignoring this and denying it.",,Anonymous,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1438723520
49111468,49112210,2015-08-04 21:25:28,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0tPRjVBvw
I love this video. Recommended for Catholics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438723528
49111468,49112242,2015-08-04 21:26:09,">>49111968
Hitchens does a piece on her, it's very good. https://youtu.be/65JxnUW7Wk4",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438723569
49111468,49112288,2015-08-04 21:27:06,How to prove that religions are more insecure about their beliefs: they shitpost in this thread. Just wait.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438723626
49111468,49112348,2015-08-04 21:28:48,">>49112206
>The rate of autism and suicide are very high
http://csjarchive.cogsci.rpi.edu/proceedings/2011/papers/0782/paper0782.pdf
This is the source paper. It doesn't say you are 500 or even 5 times more likely to be an atheist if you are autstic
 It doesn't say ALL atheists are autistic it says there is a connection sort of like how there is a connection between being Christian and having a lower IQ",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438723728
49111468,49112453,2015-08-04 21:30:58,">>49112288
Dawkins is the meme king, no? Atheism is an inferior meme to its religious counterpart, just admit it and move on.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438723858
49111468,49112602,2015-08-04 21:34:14,">>49112348
>http://csjarchive.cogsci.rpi.edu/proceedings/2011/papers/0782/paper0782.pdf
The autism is still very high compared to normal people. We atheists should take actions against this so our religion doesn't die out. Most atheists are very autistic and almost like they're our of touch with reality. One of my atheists friends was beaten to death by gangbangers because he has sevear autism and thought it was illogical to move out of the paths of Crip gangbangers because they wouldn't commit a crime because the law said so.
I am very worried for the Religion of Atheism, our religion, and how many of our members cannot function in society.",,Anonymous,autism atheism.jpg,sHfFOT5r4fKBQCqTpd4a7w==,US,,1438724054
49111468,49112611,2015-08-04 21:34:28,">>49112288
They're usually too scared to post here, except to tell us to go away. 
They enjoy the comfort of their circlejerk (which we are usually posting in also)",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438724068
49111468,49113025,2015-08-04 21:44:25,">>49112453
Pls, ""None"" is the fastest growing religious category",,Dick Dorkins,GallupNones.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1438724665
49111468,49113213,2015-08-04 21:48:28,"ATHEISM BTFO
The Ontological Argument (Question Begging?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC94N-mZnrM 
Answering Objections to the Ontological Argument (Part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRsHIN5ATY",,Anonymous,A 20-Step Proof For The Existence Of God.jpg,mkoeMggEamrqxkL3z6Houg==,US,,1438724908
49111468,49113225,2015-08-04 21:48:41,4chan has literally never provided more than memes as an argument against atheism and yet it's still been hilariously effective.,,Anonymous,1432838580808.gif,rRQ44qZ+6gKpcF5V9jM1TA==,GB,,1438724921
49111468,49113294,2015-08-04 21:50:34,">>49111468
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
>We are.
Please stop spreading this lie. We know you're desperate to get more people under the title ""Atheist"" to spread your religion. You're not fooling anyone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438725034
49111468,49113298,2015-08-04 21:50:39,">>49113025
Yeah, and society is falling apart.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438725039
49111468,49113409,2015-08-04 21:53:32,">>49113294
I have yet to meet an intelligent atheist that isn't also agnostic",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438725212
49111468,49113605,2015-08-04 21:57:45,">>49113294
>spread your religion
0/10
Atheism is a religion like being bald is a hair color.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,kristen_atheist_t-250x444.jpg,M5dR4GqeNpSKtgk7wakp9g==,CA,,1438725465
49111468,49113634,2015-08-04 21:58:26,">>49113213
That's actually a very impressive image, usually some of the steps make sense and some don't. In your case, none of the steps are justified or logical.
I started to write a response to each of the points, then I noticed every single point is wrong. I'm actually impressed.",,Dick Dorkins,dawkins640.jpg,pz3rTUgOaTsXr/YHSI/AYQ==,US,,1438725506
49111468,49113779,2015-08-04 22:01:25,">>49113605
We are a religion though, we just started to behave just like one. Atheists back in the day were true atheists who just didn't believe in God, they didn't preach anything like ""hurr durr there is no God""
Modern day atheism definitely is a religion, like that girl in your picture who wears the title Atheist like how a Christian would wear a cross.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438725685
49111468,49113811,2015-08-04 22:02:01,">>49113634
I don't have an argument: the post",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438725721
49111468,49113861,2015-08-04 22:03:02,"Atheists vs Theists : The argument for stupid people to feel smart
More at 11",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438725782
49111468,49113899,2015-08-04 22:03:40,">>49113409
You're redefining the word ""Atheism"" to include more people who are not Atheist. Atheism is the belief that there are no deities. Your definition is a recently invention of people advocating both for and against Atheism for the purposes of including agnostics as part of the group or maligning agnostics as part of the group.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438725820
49111468,49113930,2015-08-04 22:04:19,">>49113779
Its not a religion silly. Do you even know the definition of the word? Also you can stop false flagging you arent fooling anyone",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,Megan-atheist-small.jpg,JyLlAJnd9Q+BHuEBNx00VA==,CA,,1438725859
49111468,49113990,2015-08-04 22:05:15,,,Anonymous,4567457457.png,dyyDwXrLhNrhqySBOuyDZQ==,US,,1438725915
49111468,49114070,2015-08-04 22:07:04,">>49113811
Aquinas' argument from motion gets disproved every time it gets brought up. 
OP, include this in your autism first post. File it under ""FALSIFYING AQUINAS ARGUMENT FROM MOTION"".
http://philosophy.lander.edu/intro/motion.shtml",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726024
49111468,49114224,2015-08-04 22:10:55,">>49113930
No I'm an atheist myself. And definitely not some edgy teenager. 
Modern day atheism behaves just alike a religion. 
They have their own hats(fedoras)
They have their own preachers(dawkins)
They have their own books (god delusion)
They have their own churches
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/
They even have their own sermons where they pay a preacher(like dawkings) to hear something to validate their lifestyle. Dawkins even became a millionaire with this, he literally created his own religion. I wouldn't be surprised if he went home and started lighting Hanuka candles laughing how dumb these kids were for handing over all their money to him.
Saying modern day atheism isn't a religion is like saying Federal Express is federal cuz it has federal in it's name. It's even worse because modern day atheism is almost cult like with it's own extremists who deny atrocities committed by Atheism. 
You clearly are still very young.
>inb4 no true fedora",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726255
49111468,49114251,2015-08-04 22:11:26,">>49113811
Justify point 1, 2, and 3.
How does 6 follow from 5? Faggotry exists in the universe, does that mean a faggot cause for the universe exists?
How does 8 follow from 7?
15 contradicts 3. 3 says God isn't the universe, and 15 says God already is the universe.
The entire logic surrounding the ""infinite"" stuff is completely non-sensical, and needs to be rewritten.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438726286
49111468,49114282,2015-08-04 22:12:17,">>49113930
It is definitely a belief system, and a system of belief is many times considered a religion, see Buddhism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726337
49111468,49114337,2015-08-04 22:13:54,">>49114224
re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
noun: religion
 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
noun: atheism
 disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Your reading comprehension is literally non existent.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,120815-201206.jpg,AC30/Y8H59UG0B1yvY3lAg==,CA,,1438726434
49111468,49114416,2015-08-04 22:16:05,">>49114337
again, buddhism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726565
49111468,49114432,2015-08-04 22:16:23,">>49114224
Quakers, Theravada Buddhists, LaVeyan Satanists, Unitarian Universalists, Dudeists, and Raelists are all atheist religions. Atheism itself is not a religion. Otherwise you're claiming all these people are following two religions.
Theism by itself isn't a religion either.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438726583
49111468,49114486,2015-08-04 22:17:47,">>49114416
Buddhism /ˈbudJzəm/ is a nontheistic religion [note 1] or philosophy (Sanskrit: dharma; Pali: dhamma) that encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on teachings attributed to Gautama Buddha, commonly known as the Buddha
They believe in the super natural, aka being reincarnated. Its still a religion",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438726667
49111468,49114498,2015-08-04 22:18:07,"A reminder that even if you don't believe in Him, God still loves you.
He may not love our actions, but He still loves us all as His children.",,Anonymous,take a smile.jpg,SdWdDDPDTiBkRrYFwycokA==,US,,1438726687
49111468,49114513,2015-08-04 22:18:29,">>49114337
You do realize there were more definitions. It's a lot more complicated than that.
>religion
>noun re·li·gion \ri-ˈli-jən
>: the belief in a god or in a group of gods
>: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
>: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group
The 3rd definition applies here.
>A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle.
As I said atheism back them was like this but modern day atheism definitely is a religion. You really are retarded aren't you. Like I said you're just an edgy teenager, I'm an atheist myself and am more red-pilled on atheism and what is really is and has become.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726709
49111468,49114573,2015-08-04 22:19:55,">>49114432
Modern day Atheism definitely is a religion, but if you with to use a more proper word we'll use the word cult since it behaves like one and more closer to it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726795
49111468,49114581,2015-08-04 22:20:10,">>49114498
>A reminder that even if you don't believe in Him, God still loves you.
A reminder that if you don't believe in god, you will go to hell. But, at least he still loves you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726810
49111468,49114585,2015-08-04 22:20:13,"Hello fellow atheists. 
Do we have any rabid Christians lurking in here. I want to hear your best slur/argument against atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726813
49111468,49114588,2015-08-04 22:20:16,">>49111468
You really have to be supremely arrogant to affirm that there is no God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726816
49111468,49114655,2015-08-04 22:21:31,">>49114513
no im sorry iv never been an edgy teenageer. I was actually a catholic girl when i was in my teens.
Atheism is not a belif system in itself, its a lack of one. There are no tenants in atheism",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438726891
49111468,49114696,2015-08-04 22:22:18,">>49114588
There is no God",,Dick Dorkins,a_560x375.jpg,A0enBJ2oGvxeM5lxf6we/w==,US,,1438726938
49111468,49114697,2015-08-04 22:22:19,">>49114573
>Modern day Atheism definitely is a religion
no
it is not",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1438726939
49111468,49114706,2015-08-04 22:22:32,,,Maple-Syrup-Chan,fanmail27_fiona.jpg,yfarSmkW74LnGnb7dQgFhw==,CA,,1438726952
49111468,49114733,2015-08-04 22:23:07,"Am I the only one who thinks it's absurdly arrogant to 'know' that there's not only a deity, but a specific deity (or lack thereof)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438726987
49111468,49114749,2015-08-04 22:23:32,">>49114696
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727012
49111468,49114808,2015-08-04 22:24:58,">>49114733
Well, some Catholics might disagree with you. But on the whole, most atheists and theists are agnostic about God, they can't claim with 100% if he exists or not.
But I'm pretty fairly certain he doesn't exist.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438727098
49111468,49114812,2015-08-04 22:25:04,">>49114733
Do you consider people who ""know"" there is no santa to be absurd? There is just as much evidence for either. Believing in something just because you cant prove it doesnt exist would leave you believing in an extremely large collection of mythical beings",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438727104
49111468,49114829,2015-08-04 22:25:29,">>49113298
Yes, it's not because we live in a society without a true ruling class where the polity is at war with itself. Surely it is atheism.
>>49113990
Many of the men Dante meets in hell were part of the Church. It's a political satire. You should have selected Utopia, which was informed by Thomas More's Catholicism. Still, you tried.
>>49114498
I don't see anything resembling God's love in the world around me. My lack of faith derives from the notion that, if we take Christian theology at face value, mankind exists merely to fulfill a conditional clause, and for that reason it's easier to let go rather than accept religion. If your post is sincere, you seem an okay person.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727129
49111468,49114835,2015-08-04 22:25:36,>>49111919,,Anonymous,1407691756600.png,9SypJ4UrwFaHQqfPHpwTRg==,MY,,1438727136
49111468,49114874,2015-08-04 22:26:25,">>49114835
but this is true",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,141822228.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg,enlp3JcfFYK5GCzfZpr2iw==,CA,,1438727185
49111468,49114974,2015-08-04 22:29:04,"just because you don't participate in communal activities nor do analogical ceremonies, dosen't mean you don't have a religion.
your beliefs are still based on faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727344
49111468,49115053,2015-08-04 22:30:49,">>49114974
>your beliefs are still based on faith.
There is NO evidence that God exists. That's like calling your disbelief of Santa Claus a religion, whose beliefs are based on faith.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438727449
49111468,49115055,2015-08-04 22:30:55,">>49114655
>the federal reserve is a part of the government it has the word federal in it
>tenants
You mean like strawmanning religion, and acting like complete autists? I've been raised as an atheist since birth by my atheist parents, they literally had no morals, although I'm still an atheist today I've realized how modern day atheism is a cult.
They literally are a religion nowadays
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/
You're telling me there isn't a problem with modern day atheism?
>>49114697
Yes, it is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727455
49111468,49115074,2015-08-04 22:31:22,>>49114874,,Anonymous,1437740541326.png,1qWM8hmiz1zpRpo32VeoKw==,MY,,1438727482
49111468,49115190,2015-08-04 22:34:01,">>49111498
I just read some of ""Profiles of Various Religions"" and it contains too much nonsense and has too much incorrect ideas that aren't even sourced, especially about Islam/Catholics",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438727641
49111468,49115218,2015-08-04 22:34:40,">>49115053
Without knowing with certainty that God does not exist, you believe that by faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727680
49111468,49115223,2015-08-04 22:34:49,">>49115055
>You mean like strawmanning religion, and acting like complete autists?
Those are not requirements for being an atheist. Your arguments are all fallacies.
Whether or not there is a problem with modern day religion has nothing to do with whether or not its a religion. Its not, its a lack of one. Your logic skills are almost non existent",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,XS8Z8.png,RaCc5G+IlqEMSb5AhrHNqg==,CA,,1438727689
49111468,49115325,2015-08-04 22:37:12,">>49114498
Yandere Jesus loves you but will make u suffer forever if u don't",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438727832
49111468,49115332,2015-08-04 22:37:23,">>49114655
I've seen that a lot in former catholics. Even total seperation can't break you of your curch paradigm.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727843
49111468,49115343,2015-08-04 22:37:39,">>49115218
You can't ANYTHING with certainty. Everything you experience could just be lies fed to you by a Cartesian Demon",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438727859
49111468,49115402,2015-08-04 22:38:48,">>49115223
Like I said it's modern day Atheism, the sect most of these fedora tippers follow, the one that is the majority and the most vocal. I guess you're right about it not being a religion, it's more like a cult, although I said religion to water it down a bit since I'm a fedora tipper myself.
This is just cognitive dissonance since your beliefs are being questioned. Modern day atheism is a cult whether you like it or not.
I'm an atheist myself anyways and used to be apart of the Religion of Atheism, lead by dawkings, I eventually saw it's cult like behavior and started to speak out against it. However dawkins said I committed apostasy, or as he said ""tergiversation"" and that I should be killed.
If aliens were to survey Earth, they'd definitely classify atheism as it's own religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438727928
49111468,49115418,2015-08-04 22:39:16,">>49115343
How are you CERTAIN then that nothing brought a bang that started life?",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438727956
49111468,49115559,2015-08-04 22:42:46,">>49115332
nah. I lost all my faith when i was dying in the hospital as a young girl. I even almost got kicked out of the house when my parents found out i didn't believe in god anymore.
>>49115402
im just going to start reporting shitposting im sorry it has to come to this. Your arguments are completely nonsensical and i cant be bothered to read them anymore. The behavior of some people who belong to a group does not make that behaviour a nessecity to belong to that group. Just because some modern atheists are fedora tippers does not mean in any way shape or form that it makes atheism a religion. There are no gods, no worshiping, no higher powers, no supernatural, no laws, no customs, nothing.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,3a7.jpg,MXztlUkDDbbI/ici2Tj+4Q==,CA,,1438728166
49111468,49115605,2015-08-04 22:43:46,">>49113990
Course instructor in college would refer to Goethe as ""Go Eth."" She had a German name that she would mispronounce too. Bugged the hell out of me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438728226
49111468,49115745,2015-08-04 22:47:14,">>49115559
>rational argument
>shitposting
I agreed with you and changed my mind that it wasn't a religion, it's a cult. It's a better classification.
Atheism isn't anything special, you need to get rid of this ""we're right, they're wrong"" you know like what religious people do.
Modern day atheism is a cult.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438728434
49111468,49115786,2015-08-04 22:48:04,">>49115559
>im just going to start reporting shitposting im sorry it has to come to this.
Don't feed the trolls",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438728484
49111468,49115830,2015-08-04 22:49:12,">>49115745
its not a rational argument and the longer you decide to sit in here shitposting the better chance you have at getting banned. Clearly you havent read the FAQ.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438728552
49111468,49115948,2015-08-04 22:52:20,">>49115830
>banned
>for disagreeing with fedora tippers
At least be a moderate Atheist. 
>the faq
You must be new here.
Atheism is a cult, we behave just like one. Have you ever been to an atheist convention, they all behave just like a cult.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438728740
49111468,49115949,2015-08-04 22:52:21,">>49114581
>>49114829
>>49115325
>tfw u b8 and it works",,Anonymous,162.png,bv7TdvdRccSVI/GuE1NicQ==,US,,1438728741
49111468,49115989,2015-08-04 22:53:07,">>49111468
>Atheism general
This is just pathetic. You guys need to seriously get a life and hang the fedora up. There will be no mercy for the atheists when Islam insha'Sllah takes over the west in the next 20 years.
Children of the book shall be left alone, atheists shall pay jizyah with their own blood.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438728787
49111468,49116063,2015-08-04 22:55:00,">>49115989
sorry i cant hear you over muhammad being raging pedophile",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,250193_526805420669185_1089469650_n.jpg,ZoBCYmMz2gmWCugXPgJ3HQ==,CA,,1438728900
49111468,49116070,2015-08-04 22:55:08,">>49113213
The first axiom in this proof is false. The amount of information in the universe has increased over time not decreased. A effect can have a cause that is less complex than itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438728908
49111468,49116178,2015-08-04 22:58:02,">>49115949
I love this future :)
>>49115989
See pic :D
>>49115559
>im just going to start reporting shitposting im sorry it has to come to this.
Let them be. Plus some of the points that American anon made is kinda true to some extent. I grant that if I told Dawkins that I don't agree with everything he says would he label me apostate though. However there are Atheists out there who turned this into a frigging religion. It's as pathetic as looking at Christians submit to the SJWs when gay marriage was legalized.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,1436339904335.png,zFnlgDPqe2W9ufhsZk+Hsw==,MY,,1438729082
49111468,49116205,2015-08-04 22:58:51,">>49115989
>mfw all the world's Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge.",,Dick Dorkins,1406283699325.jpg,tLnjdMnZoEpdAR7N1Hibrg==,US,,1438729131
49111468,49116250,2015-08-04 23:00:04,">>49116178
*he wouldn't label me apostate
What's wrong with me?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438729204
49111468,49116272,2015-08-04 23:00:34,">>49116178
>I grant that if I told Dawkins that I don't agree with everything he says would he label me apostate though
Dawkins is not the leader of atheism. There are lots of atheists he disagrees with and disagree with him. This sentence is entirely false. Once again, its not a religion, its a lack of a religion.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438729234
49111468,49116278,2015-08-04 23:00:42,">>49116063
Why is it you atheist turds are obsessed with 'muh evidence' yet you keep throwing out these lies? Aisha was 19 MINIMUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT-Rh1auG0A
>>49116205
>>49116178
>mfw all of the worlds atheists are going to jahannam to burn for a long long time if not all eternity in eternal pain and torture",,Anonymous,1385853190592[1].gif,98vm4sAQ9iTM+ayKH1OoTg==,GB,,1438729242
49111468,49116283,2015-08-04 23:00:50,">>49112602
BTFOOOOO",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729250
49111468,49116293,2015-08-04 23:01:10,">>49116063
>atheists mad because we have lolis
Quran 65:4 says nothing of that, but alright.",,Anonymous,1438455598605.jpg,2/X1IaaQWpp6Tvf9QYlxQA==,LB,,1438729270
49111468,49116300,2015-08-04 23:01:14,">>49115989
>mfw I also pretend to be a muslim on /pol/ all the time",,Anonymous,halal.jpg,taUTU6LsyJDSceWmG/CThQ==,GB,,1438729274
49111468,49116318,2015-08-04 23:01:36,">>49115559
And still the catholics define what you think of as religion.
Try using the word as defined like this: Religion is a label. It is shorthand to discribe an individual quickly. If I say I am Budhist, you now have a framework in your mind about what I'm like. I can, if necissary, further refine your understanding of me by describine differences or importances between the generic ""Budhist"" in your mind and myself.
Part of what I am are my beliefs, or things I know to be true. The reason I know these true things are, in fact, true is because of faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729296
49111468,49116349,2015-08-04 23:02:39,">>49115989
Muslims sure are lucky they have numbers, because they lack everything else. 
Seriously, you know how fucking stupid you sound when you blurt out your fag moon gods garbage?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729359
49111468,49116373,2015-08-04 23:03:24,">>49116272
See >>49116250
 I made a typo.
>>49116278
>MFW Allah isn't morally just and merciful for punishing a finite crime done for all eternity :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,52b0e5ff51d35d4fc649c7f08290c235.jpg,3J6jO93XVjWP6+bEznpcGw==,MY,,1438729404
49111468,49116383,2015-08-04 23:03:40,">>49115989
>United Kingdom flag
>Pretending to be a muslim
the level of satire is so high i fucking pissed my pants man, UK just renewed my faith in Christ with that topkek post.
Later heathens.",,Anonymous,9ac017f866c28a1f0737e8fcb05154523bb1c5fdef97419ba475db04f539a7b8.jpg,bRMiou2y256G0rMnjjFMRw==,US,,1438729420
49111468,49116417,2015-08-04 23:04:47,">>49116278
>19 MINIMUM
False. Even most mudslimes agree she was 9. There is a reason child mariage is so popular in muslim countries.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438729487
49111468,49116436,2015-08-04 23:05:22,">>49115989
can't hear you over all this bacon and my giant penis",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729522
49111468,49116450,2015-08-04 23:05:56,>>49115989,,Anonymous,1365163087083.jpg,jhjDDqoWgV6lHWaLIpbKUg==,AU,,1438729556
49111468,49116453,2015-08-04 23:05:59,">>49116417
Child marriage was the only thing that happened before the 1900s.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438729559
49111468,49116517,2015-08-04 23:07:30,"When will we atheists apologize for the mass murder of over hundred million innocent people?
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder",,Anonymous,1409071784178.gif,M2WFE+q+CUNtZiHBfXexaQ==,US,,1438729650
49111468,49116527,2015-08-04 23:07:56,">>49116453
and yet mudslimes still practice it today.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438729676
49111468,49116571,2015-08-04 23:09:21,">>49116453
Under an Atheist society child marriage would be perfectly acceptable, there is no logic in religious morals, we must have Atheist morals, one can be free do be a homosexual, a sodomizer, a whore, one who has sex with animals, one who engages in adultery. Such is very logical with Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729761
49111468,49116573,2015-08-04 23:09:24,">>49116417
And yet the evidence, which you atheists are obsessed with, says otherwise. Stupid maple syrup drinking retard.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438729764
49111468,49116601,2015-08-04 23:10:03,">>49116517
Hmm, by this logic can we attribute every murder by a Christian to Christianity?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438729803
49111468,49116625,2015-08-04 23:10:41,">>49116527
Muslims marry at lower than 18, Europeans fuck at lower than 18, the age of consent in Italy is 14.
I see no difference.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438729841
49111468,49116637,2015-08-04 23:10:59,">>49116383
>im from murica and don't know about them muslims outside of the middle east even though thousands work in the gas stations all over my own country hurrrr durr.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729859
49111468,49116688,2015-08-04 23:12:20,">>49116601
If they murdered for Christianity, like the Crusades. I am and atheist myself, so why are you resorting to whataboutism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438729940
49111468,49116699,2015-08-04 23:12:40,">>49116625
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contemporary_Pedophilic_Islamic_Marriages#Permitted_in_the_Qur.27an
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z834OxnOdIU
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/yemen-child-brides/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjbmq4vOWU",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438729960
49111468,49116700,2015-08-04 23:12:46,">>49116625
>I see no difference.
The difference between Muhammad and his wife is 43 years.",,Dick Dorkins,"dawkins_wideweb__470x327,0.jpg",guf/Mfr7Ay0FdOw62TbIpw==,US,,1438729966
49111468,49116747,2015-08-04 23:14:09,">>49116688
>If they murdered for Christianity, like the Crusades
Wow, shows you know nothing about the crusades.
In the end, almost every murder/genocide/war is political.",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-bus.jpg,Q3xmytmJw2cVhEZ15IVxAQ==,US,,1438730049
49111468,49116765,2015-08-04 23:14:39,">>49116700
This would be acceptable under and Atheist society. Our morals permit such things. Are you a real atheist? A true atheist doesn't cling on to religious morals. But you probably grew up with religious morals whereas my true atheist parents did not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730079
49111468,49116767,2015-08-04 23:14:46,">>49116637
Ya and its only because we remotely anything left of western civilization that they are actually normal ham beings who don't get all jihad every time their homo muslime senses get triggered.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730086
49111468,49116769,2015-08-04 23:14:49,">>49115989
Christians and Jews have to pay the jizyah, like any non-Muslim, or get Zulfiqar'd insh'allah",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730089
49111468,49116790,2015-08-04 23:15:28,">>49116699
>>49116700
>where did I talk about ayisha/muhammad
I tell them there is no difference than muslims marrying young girls and europeans fucking young girls, they reply with retarded nonsense, pure atheism right here.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438730128
49111468,49116832,2015-08-04 23:16:22,">>49116747
>religion isn't political
For an atheist you sure are retarded. I'm guessing you're new to Atheism and still base your arguements of illogical religious morals.
Atheism is just like a religion and commits it's own mass murders.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730182
49111468,49116864,2015-08-04 23:17:01,">>49116790
>getting this butthurt by facts
Pls show me which European countries have laws where men can fuck 9 year old girls.",,Anonymous,1313581283558.jpg,O435um6prd2VoH0GM21pjQ==,CA,,1438730221
49111468,49116889,2015-08-04 23:17:49,">>49116790
Ya but there's a HUGE difference just between the ages 6 and 14.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730269
49111468,49116890,2015-08-04 23:17:49,">>49116832
bad false flagging /10
You do realize no matter how hard you try, you still arent fooling anyone right?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438730269
49111468,49116897,2015-08-04 23:17:58,">>49116864
Britain, Somalia.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730278
49111468,49116933,2015-08-04 23:18:57,">>49116890
>false flagging
Yea and the crusaders were also false flagging right? This is literally no true scotsman right here. You probably aren't 100% Atheist yet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730337
49111468,49116948,2015-08-04 23:19:17,">>49115989
Muslimes want a bunch of jizzya? I didn't know they did bukkake.
Hold on... what animal is the best at ejaculating? Why it's the humble pig (look it up.)
Islam dosen't hate pigs! Islam is just being tsundere with them!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730357
49111468,49116952,2015-08-04 23:19:27,">>49116765
Big deal, God could make such acceptable if he wishes such as how he did in the Holy Quran by allowing Muhammad S.A.W to have sex with Aisha when she's merely nine. 
Someone is still determining what is right and what is wrong and thus morality is in accordance to the mind and tastes of God who is free to do as he pleases(Job agrees)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438730367
49111468,49116970,2015-08-04 23:19:50,">>49116897
>Somalia
not European try again. Are you retarded?
>britian
Nope the age of consent is 16.
""16
The age at which you can legally have sex. In England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales we have to be 16 or older to have homosexual (gay) or heterosexual (straight) sex. 'Sex' means penetrative sex, oral sex or masturbating together. The law sees it as sexual assault - it's a criminal offence.""",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438730390
49111468,49116987,2015-08-04 23:20:05,>>49113225,,Anonymous,1435251491399.gif,iy6LaCOzCsJax67UVlcumQ==,BR,,1438730405
49111468,49117026,2015-08-04 23:21:15,">>49116890
>feeding trolls
Why, Maple-chan?",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-mark-renders-getty-images-081213-lede.jpg,tAGTIlo0eDa5KttkB2kjfA==,US,,1438730475
49111468,49117029,2015-08-04 23:21:20,">>49116864
I didn't say that, I said I don't see any difference between 9 and 14, as the girl is not pre-pubescent anymore. Both should be accepted.
>>49116889
The marriage was consummated at 9, where aisha isn't pre-pubescent anymore.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438730480
49111468,49117046,2015-08-04 23:21:50,">>49117026
im not feeding them, i report every shitpost. Eventually the mods will do their job",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438730510
49111468,49117048,2015-08-04 23:21:51,">>49116952
I'm an Atheist, what are you talking about. I'm telling that Lebanese guy that a true Atheist society allowed such a thing to happen. We don't have morals which are illogical and for the weak. If you want to kill or murder someone go ahead, such is just natural selection at work.
The highest Atheist civilization was the USSR and we should work to achieve such a nation.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730511
49111468,49117067,2015-08-04 23:22:19,">>49117029
bad troll/10",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438730539
49111468,49117078,2015-08-04 23:22:33,">>49116970
>being this new
>doesn't get the joke
Wow, there really is an epidemic of autism among atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730553
49111468,49117100,2015-08-04 23:23:08,">>49117046
>Eventually the mods will do their job
>mfw
replying = feeding",,Dick Dorkins,Richard-Dawkins-Evolution-Observable.jpg,3gbEaR9cARmWmxNtPyKu1A==,US,,1438730588
49111468,49117109,2015-08-04 23:23:28,">>49117046
>report posts you don't like
Hmm, this sounds familiar.",,Anonymous,52868833.jpg,7Q3URA0Bbhjo4XnjPkFxTg==,US,,1438730608
49111468,49117118,2015-08-04 23:23:37,">>49117078
>hurrdurr i was just pretending to be retarded
This isnt /b/",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438730617
49111468,49117147,2015-08-04 23:24:30,">>49117109
This board is for the discussion of news, world events, political issues, and other related topics.
Off-topic and /b/-tier threads will be deleted (and possibly earn you a ban, if you persist). Unless they are quality, well thought out, well written posts, the following are examples of off-topic and/or /b/-tier threads:",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438730670
49111468,49117173,2015-08-04 23:24:59,">>49117067
can't reply/10",,Anonymous,Screenshot_3.png,mCsxRxIPWAmXjiJDjRvCRw==,LB,,1438730699
49111468,49117177,2015-08-04 23:25:03,"i am the only to post fedora images to trigger other fellow atheists?
i'm atheist btw",,trying to update mankind.exe,tipus.jpg,76lKPVo0wjJHbjrOgsIUuQ==,BR,,1438730703
49111468,49117212,2015-08-04 23:26:13,">>49117048
I really think this is shitposting, but this is exactly what darwin said, survival of the fittest.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438730773
49111468,49117223,2015-08-04 23:26:24,">>49117118
>>49117147
>following the rules.
You must be very New here. Moot even cucked /pol/ and said that the rules were just a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.
But Atheism is a cult, take it from another Atheist who has been an Atheist since birth. It really is. It might hurt your feelings or make you feel butthurt, but reality doesn't lie.",,Anonymous,1438023682237.jpg,ldxAJxWheC+e3zhSRjPYGA==,US,,1438730784
49111468,49117254,2015-08-04 23:27:09,">>49116933
bro your low iq is showing. Just stop pretending to be smart with your false accusations. Atheism isn't a religion rofl. I dont get up every day and pray to the universe and use it for morality. I use my conscious to determine what I would like done to me to others and if it would be fair or appropriate. If I would kill someone how would I like to be killed? This doesn't seem fair to a normal person so I will not do these things. Its not some sort of religion that doesn't deter morality or rules to follow.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730829
49111468,49117273,2015-08-04 23:27:43,">>49117212
>this is exactly what darwin said, survival of the fittest.
That's how we evolved. It was a slow, violent and cruel process. We shouldn't try to emulate it in society.",,Dick Dorkins,large_RD_20Religion_203_20x640.jpg,OhPfZR7KZzcse+yK/zZp9A==,US,,1438730863
49111468,49117284,2015-08-04 23:28:08,">>49111468
http://namegen.org",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438730888
49111468,49117317,2015-08-04 23:29:11,">>49111468
Aren't you all entitled to your half-arsed musings on the divine.
You've thought about eternity for 25 minutes and think you've come to some interesting conclusions.
Well, let me tell you, I stand with 2,000 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me.
My kind have harvested the souls of a million peasants and I couldn't give a jiz for your Internet-assembled philosophy.",,Anonymous,vicar-a-bit-spiritual.gif,lEwdWyZ+i1OBNLuSDrL2gQ==,GB,,1438730951
49111468,49117333,2015-08-04 23:29:35,">>49117212
YeAh. Unfortunately embracing morality helped us to grow and survive as a species. If we enforce a survival of the fittest mindset in society we wouldn't progress, we would die out or remain feral",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438730975
49111468,49117358,2015-08-04 23:30:15,">>49117273
>we shouldn't try to emulate it in society
That's what Dawkins said, but not darwin. Darwin had no problem with survival of the fittest in society.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438731015
49111468,49117373,2015-08-04 23:30:40,">>49116205
>faithful Muslims who follow the law win less special snowflake awards given to kikes and kike lovers for advancing ""peace""
your time will come kufr insha'allah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731040
49111468,49117395,2015-08-04 23:31:12,">>49117273
Why not? This is nature and has been going on for over 3 billion years. Rejecting such is very illogical. There is no such thing as ""violence"" or ""cruelty"" these are illogical social constructs that the weak make up. An Atheist who is truly and Atheist realizes that natural law always stays in effect, civilization is just glorified hunting packs. There is nothing wrong with killing other organisms, as this is the very nature of the universe and will continue to happen until the universe is gone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731072
49111468,49117404,2015-08-04 23:31:28,">>49117358
Darwin was an old man who mostly lived alone a hundred years ago. His views on how a modern society should be run are hardly relevant.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438731088
49111468,49117417,2015-08-04 23:31:43,">>49117373
>snowflake awards
kek",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438731103
49111468,49117447,2015-08-04 23:32:36,">>49117404
Darwin was an old man who mostly lived alone a hundred years ago. His views on how humans evolved and evolution in general are hardly relevant.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438731156
49111468,49117449,2015-08-04 23:32:37,">>49117333
>Aren't you all entitled to your half-arsed musings on the divine.
>You've thought about eternity for 25 minutes and think you've come to some interesting conclusions.
>Well, let me tell you, I stand with 2,000 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me.
>My kind have harvested the souls of a million peasants and I couldn't give a jiz for your Internet-assembled philosophy.
>>49117358
>>49117373
>>49117395
>>49117404
>>49117417
Aren't you all entitled to your half-arsed musings on the divine.
You've thought about eternity for 25 minutes and think you've come to some interesting conclusions.
Well, let me tell you, I stand with 2,000 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me.
My kind have harvested the souls of a million peasants and I couldn't give a jiz for your Internet-assembled philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438731157
49111468,49117477,2015-08-04 23:33:23,"After careful consideration of the facts, I have determined unequivocally that god is a dead magic jew. As they say in tennis, Yahtzee motherfucker",,Anonymous,reach-out-and-touch-faith-your-own-personal-jesus-lift-the-r-anime-otakus-1384900383[1].jpg,/k2JSNZJ1Xv0yBOuocC53w==,US,,1438731203
49111468,49117522,2015-08-04 23:34:47,">>49117447
evolution and the origin of species doesnt really have a lot to do with how a society should be run im sorry to tell you.
0/10",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438731287
49111468,49117529,2015-08-04 23:34:55,">>49117273
we don't have enough cancer to counter just how ruthlessly efficent survival of the fittest is.
Alterations in genes is how new addaptations occur. Alterations gone wrong is where cancer comes from.
>I shitpost to save the board from stagnation!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731295
49111468,49117560,2015-08-04 23:36:10,">>49117522
I really hope you are shitposting as well. Where did I talk about society and how should it be ran?",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438731370
49111468,49117562,2015-08-04 23:36:11,">>49117522
>natural law doesn't apply to society
Wow not only are modern day atheists a bunch of autists they are also cucks and probably beta as well.
You're only saying this because under natural law you would be killed, aren't you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731371
49111468,49117567,2015-08-04 23:36:30,">>49117417
am I not correct? they hand out Nobel prizes for the most inconsequential kike garbage. like ""game theory. """,,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731390
49111468,49117588,2015-08-04 23:37:09,">>49117358
>. Darwin had no problem with survival of the fittest in society.
bullshit, he was always objective in his writings (well almost always, there's a few things)
He never said ""We should do this, society should do that"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731429
49111468,49117589,2015-08-04 23:37:10,">>49117477
>>49117522
>>49117529
>>49117560
>>49117562
>>49117567
Aren't you all entitled to your half-arsed musings on the divine.
You've thought about eternity for 25 minutes and think you've come to some interesting conclusions.
Well, let me tell you, I stand with 2,000 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me.
My kind have harvested the souls of a million peasants and I couldn't give a jiz for your Internet-assembled philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438731430
49111468,49117613,2015-08-04 23:37:40,">>49117567
>am I not correct
As Obama holds a Noble peace prize, you are correct.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438731460
49111468,49117626,2015-08-04 23:37:59,">>49117562
>under natural law you would be killed, aren't you?
Your reading comprehension must be at an all time low. Im a female, my gf is female and doesnt like men. I am neither beta nor am i being ""cucked""
You should be a little less obvious with your projecting.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438731479
49111468,49117655,2015-08-04 23:39:01,">>49117588
What I said was said by Dawkings after somebody asked him a question revolving around Darwin and survival of the fittest.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438731541
49111468,49117700,2015-08-04 23:40:18,">>49117567
Game theory is fucking awesome. And if you disagree, you should be locked in a cell totaly seperated from your S.O. and asked a question of dire consiquence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731618
49111468,49117737,2015-08-04 23:41:30,">>49117626
>my gf is female
smelly, dumb, degenerate scum
also kufr",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438731690
49111468,49117748,2015-08-04 23:41:38,">>49117613
>>49117626
>>49117655
>>49117700
>>49117700
Aren't you all entitled to your half-arsed musings on the divine.
You've thought about eternity for 25 minutes and think you've come to some interesting conclusions.
Well, let me tell you, I stand with 2,000 years of darkness and bafflement and hunger behind me.
My kind have harvested the souls of a million peasants and I couldn't give a jiz for your Internet-assembled philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438731698
49111468,49117753,2015-08-04 23:41:47,">>49117655
yea sure, have you read darwin?
He didn't prescribe shit. He left philosophy to other retards.",,Anonymous,theist_logic_part2.png,gq/pI48F50rhYBT7aUhzFA==,US,,1438731707
49111468,49117754,2015-08-04 23:41:51,">>49117626
So you are a mentally ill homosexual? I should tell you that under true Atheism we would kill you for being a degenerate. Either that or experimented on for scientific purposes.
>projecting
My parents fought for the Motherland and trained me on how to kill western-capitalism pig dog. If anything your kind are the cucks who are not 100% atheists and base your actions off your feelings rather than logic.
You're not even a real Atheist, are you?",,Anonymous,o89mow.jpg,Id79BaJboq+RZ5CCMsX9mg==,US,,1438731711
49111468,49117786,2015-08-04 23:42:47,">>49117737
dawww is someone a wee bit butthurt? Im sorry i triggered you",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,large.jpg,QwqzcDVHF4bHlwF/72onGA==,CA,,1438731767
49111468,49117810,2015-08-04 23:43:16,">>49117753
>>49117754
>>49117786
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438731796
49111468,49117873,2015-08-04 23:45:17,">>49117786
>>>/lgbt/
Nobody is jealous of your mental illness Fabio, now we know why you don't like natural selection. You're a weak organism unfit for this planet.",,Anonymous,Nietzsche187a.jpg,OQJcT7pXRlAPzl+yidLc5g==,US,,1438731917
49111468,49117901,2015-08-04 23:46:00,The face of Atheism>>49111468,,Anonymous,Just....jpg,O5irNjpDo/ZK/yJzPysVMA==,BR,,1438731960
49111468,49117930,2015-08-04 23:46:50,">>49117873
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732010
49111468,49117941,2015-08-04 23:47:02,">>49117753
>yea sure
Somewhere over here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hy8NxZvFY",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438732022
49111468,49117963,2015-08-04 23:47:40,">>49117873
mmm your tears are delicious. Id tell you to suck my entire ass but as a man you are gross and sexually undesirable. How does it make you feel that as men become more beta women are becoming more lesbian/bisexual because they are starting to realize that men are no longer required in relationships?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,a03968cc6e73ebecd23a3c4f0d770a6c.png,oDlozG5z6+zSOjxPDXcKbA==,CA,,1438732060
49111468,49117970,2015-08-04 23:47:48,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732068
49111468,49117978,2015-08-04 23:48:05,">>49117963
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732085
49111468,49117990,2015-08-04 23:48:26,">>49117978
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732106
49111468,49118006,2015-08-04 23:48:41,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732121
49111468,49118024,2015-08-04 23:49:06,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHI",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732146
49111468,49118034,2015-08-04 23:49:22,">>49117754
you would be supprised to learn even your beliefs are chosen based on your emotions too.
I can respect an athiest who can admit that their faith is based on their feelings.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732162
49111468,49118041,2015-08-04 23:49:29,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHE",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732169
49111468,49118053,2015-08-04 23:49:44,">>49118034
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHO",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732184
49111468,49118063,2015-08-04 23:50:02,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPAYE",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732202
49111468,49118071,2015-08-04 23:50:19,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHYol",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732219
49111468,49118080,2015-08-04 23:50:34,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY...",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732234
49111468,49118116,2015-08-04 23:51:26,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY-",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732286
49111468,49118120,2015-08-04 23:51:31,">>49117970
>>49117978
>>49117990
>>49118006
>>49118024
>>49118041
>>49118053
>>49118063
>>49118071
>>49118080
M-MODS!!!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732291
49111468,49118126,2015-08-04 23:51:45,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY 
i win athiests",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732305
49111468,49118128,2015-08-04 23:51:49,">>49118080
So salty.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732309
49111468,49118138,2015-08-04 23:52:05,">>49118120
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHR",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732325
49111468,49118144,2015-08-04 23:52:21,">>49118128
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732341
49111468,49118147,2015-08-04 23:52:22,">>49118034
Well i wouldnt say my beiefs themselves are based on my feelings, but, how i treat other people and how i act are mostly based of empathy, compassion, logic and reason. You need all of those things in order to be a truly healthy individual.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438732342
49111468,49118158,2015-08-04 23:52:38,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE..
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732358
49111468,49118162,2015-08-04 23:52:47,">>49118041
>>49118024
>>49118006
>>49117990
>>49117978
>>49117970
>>49117930
>>49117810
>>49117748
>>49117589
>>49117449
>>49117317
>Autistic kid
>Atheist Troll
Pick one and only one",,Anonymous,1429071706086.gif,Gy1CsC8kZUFR4YUGssEjDw==,BR,,1438732367
49111468,49118164,2015-08-04 23:52:54,">>49118147
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.....",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732374
49111468,49118177,2015-08-04 23:53:13,">>49117963
This is only happening in Western capitalist pig-dog nations and will only lead to their collapse for the glorious soldiers of the Motherland to conquer. Also I'm Russian not a Canadian..
>homosex
>not sub-human
Enjoy your lesser than human brain.
http://psychcentral.com/lib/higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems-for-homosexuals/
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=205342
>pic related, is of you homosex people",,Anonymous,gulag-18-638.jpg,miFBLhZGqJWNNLA2iIKXYA==,US,,1438732393
49111468,49118179,2015-08-04 23:53:19,">>49118128
Cognitive dissonance. Religions will die even in the US eventually.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438732399
49111468,49118183,2015-08-04 23:53:23,">>49118162
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732403
49111468,49118196,2015-08-04 23:53:43,">>49118024
Aren't you all entitled to your half-arsed musings on bestiality.
You've thought about horsecock for 25 minutes and think you've come to some interesting conclusions.
Well, let me tell you, I stand with 2,000 years of fucking animals and ecstasy and horse cum behind me.
My kind have harvested the loads of a million horses and I couldn't give a jiz for your Internet-assembled philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732423
49111468,49118199,2015-08-04 23:53:45,">>49118177
>>49118179
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY......",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732425
49111468,49118209,2015-08-04 23:54:06,">>49118196
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.-.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732446
49111468,49118225,2015-08-04 23:54:30,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732470
49111468,49118236,2015-08-04 23:54:50,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.---",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732490
49111468,49118242,2015-08-04 23:55:02,">>49118034
No this is illogical. In a true Atheist society like the USSR we must remove the weak. Unfortunately many atheists nowadays don't like natural selection because this would mean they would be removed themselves along with Western capitalist pig dog",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732502
49111468,49118252,2015-08-04 23:55:22,">>49118242
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.-----",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732522
49111468,49118258,2015-08-04 23:55:37,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.==",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732537
49111468,49118315,2015-08-04 23:57:22,"i win athiests.
i win.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732642
49111468,49118334,2015-08-04 23:58:10,"So much time spent for nothing, words spelled in the void.
so much letters lost like dust in the winds of time...
such a waste",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438732690
49111468,49118346,2015-08-04 23:58:32,">>49116573
>i posted a youtube video of some guy speaking mudslime why dont you believe me
Yeah alright. What's your evidence and why do the vast majority of scholars disagree?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732712
49111468,49118378,2015-08-04 23:59:08,">>49117810
>>49117930
>>49117970
>>49117978
>>49117990
>>49118006
>>49118024
>>49118041
>>49118053
>>49118063
>>49118071
>>49118080
>>49118116
>>49118126
>>49118138
>>49118144
>>49118158
>>49118164
>>49118183
>>49118199
>>49118209
>>49118225
>>49118236
>>49118252
>>49118258
MODS",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732748
49111468,49118379,2015-08-04 23:59:08,">>49118315
How did you pull it off?",,Orthodox Metropolitanate of Hong Kong and Southeast Asia,,,HK,,1438732748
49111468,49118400,2015-08-05 00:00:01,">>49118242
Check out this vulcan.
Weak minds hide behind the masses and blindly follow those who tell them they are strong. USSR was a prime example of a mass of soulless, mushbrained followers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732801
49111468,49118423,2015-08-05 00:00:25,">>49118346
>>49118378
>>49118400
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732825
49111468,49118435,2015-08-05 00:00:43,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY..;",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732843
49111468,49118459,2015-08-05 00:01:12,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY./",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732872
49111468,49118488,2015-08-05 00:01:46,"AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.
I WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438732906
49111468,49118491,2015-08-05 00:01:50,">>49118400
USSR was mostly orthodox, dafox you talking about?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1438732910
49111468,49118500,2015-08-05 00:02:05,">>49113779
>>49114224
So much this.
>>49114251
>>49114337
Oh here we go, starting with the ""I'm smarter than you"" bullshit very early in the thread.
As far as I can tell, modern atheism isn't so much a religion, as a way for edgy teenagers to show off how enlightened they are by their own intelligence. THAT is why those memes work so fucking well; because they're true
>>49114706
Case in point: this fucking cunt. Going around being intentionally offensive in public to strangers for no reason at all but to masturbate with her in-group over how much better she is than her out-group.
Classically, atheism was a personal belief that one held without feeling the need to go and smear others as intellectually inferior because, as OP said, there ISN'T ANY PROOF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. Modern atheism is a fucking circlejerk.
*tips fedora*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438732925
49111468,49118512,2015-08-05 00:02:38,">>49118346
>still butthurt because he doesn't have lolis",,Anonymous,143842255598605.jpg,jBpZ7mcEnCSmwxbk71HvAw==,LB,,1438732958
49111468,49118538,2015-08-05 00:03:43,">>49118400
>calls himself an atheist
>bases his actions of illogical emotions and beta cuck faggotry
True atheism was the USSR, Communist China, East Germany, Vietnam.
>soulless, mushbrained
These are social constructs made up by religion and do no have a place in Atheism.
Why are modern day atheists a bunch of autistic cucks? Especially that cuck Dawkins, instead of saying how the USSR did nothing wrong he denies it ever happened.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733023
49111468,49118559,2015-08-05 00:04:19,">>49118500
>Going around being intentionally offensive in public to strangers for no reason at all but to masturbate with her in-group over how much better she is than her out-group.
>But its okay for us to do the exact same thing because that's the rules I just made up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733059
49111468,49118580,2015-08-05 00:04:55,">>49118512
Did you respond to the wrong person?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733095
49111468,49118581,2015-08-05 00:04:59,">>49118491
>>49118500
>>49118512
>>49118538
>>49118559
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438733099
49111468,49118616,2015-08-05 00:05:54,">>49118580
No.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438733154
49111468,49118655,2015-08-05 00:06:44,">>49118488
>>49118459
>>49118435
>>49118423
>MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS
I think it is an Annunaki. 
Its why the mods can't ban him. He is tunneling using space proxies.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733204
49111468,49118669,2015-08-05 00:07:16,">>49118500
What do you expect from a camwhore/trippfag.
Devoid of purpose, the ignorant flails for attention, signifagance and meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733236
49111468,49118674,2015-08-05 00:07:22,">>49118559
What are you even trying to say here?
Atheism is masturbation.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733242
49111468,49118714,2015-08-05 00:08:21,>>49118655,,Anonymous,reptilian bart.png,Cjbill+CPkcIV+ZQtij59g==,GB,,1438733301
49111468,49118750,2015-08-05 00:09:18,,,Anonymous,justtt....jpg,QqDb4dMfNClrf931rxnWzA==,BR,,1438733358
49111468,49118775,2015-08-05 00:10:04,>>49118750,,Anonymous,allen-reptile-brain.gif,uyKCyToCSWucdXlYWGR9pQ==,GB,,1438733404
49111468,49118779,2015-08-05 00:10:17,">>49118616
Where did I say anything remotely close to what you said? I asked what his evidence is that Aisha was 19.
He's going against a broad consensus even among muslims that she was 9.
Unless you misunderstood and took me to be defending muhammad's pedophilia , I don't understand. I'm an atheist, not a muslim pedophile apologist like that guy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733417
49111468,49118785,2015-08-05 00:10:23,">>49118669
>getting this upset by a tripfag
I will have you know i only have this because it was given to me in the catholic general.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438733423
49111468,49118794,2015-08-05 00:10:30,">>49118538
But you see, I AM saying those were athiest at it's most fufilled.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733430
49111468,49118805,2015-08-05 00:10:45,">>49118714
Come at me bro!
Hello darkness my old friend...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733445
49111468,49118843,2015-08-05 00:11:48,>>49118805,,Anonymous,Reptilian Xindi.jpg,VHuawONFvO/JsBS8pYyqiw==,GB,,1438733508
49111468,49118896,2015-08-05 00:13:24,">>49118674
Yeah I guess I'm wrong. Religion has never aggressively converted people or tries to impose its ideology on others.",,Anonymous,serveimage.jpg,3q0CbCc3tP6JgXaQy/nirw==,US,,1438733604
49111468,49118917,2015-08-05 00:13:58,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWVtyBLqYEs,,Anonymous,reptiles.png,ze8uEcOo9P69rYWiOVLYZA==,GB,,1438733638
49111468,49118932,2015-08-05 00:14:22,">>49111468
Why are you such a fag?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438733662
49111468,49118936,2015-08-05 00:14:29,">>49118843
Seriously, that's the scariest humanoid reptile that you could find? How about sending me some pictures of the diagrams for your interstellar travel mechanism?
That would be quite spooky my cold blooded friend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733669
49111468,49118947,2015-08-05 00:14:46,">>49118785
And a child of the same, too.
Don't you see, you were given so much more than a name.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733686
49111468,49118966,2015-08-05 00:15:20,">>49111873
Because people don't fucking change you stupid cunt.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438733720
49111468,49118991,2015-08-05 00:16:08,>>49118936,,Anonymous,Reptilian-on-US-dollar.jpg,BGZJsgclQW86grXK18TMJg==,GB,,1438733768
49111468,49119000,2015-08-05 00:16:22,">>49118785
Nothing could possibly prove my central point more effectively, that modern, militant Atheism is masturbatory self-aggrandizement, than a tripfag coming on an anonymous image board and starting up a thread where he has contrived ""debates"" with various trolls and half-interested religious people, replete with condescension, browbeating, and appeals to in-group mentality. You people contribute absolutely nothing to the philosophical arguments underpinning religious theory; you come here to ""win"" arguments and literally nothing else. You're here to put a feather in your cap, to feel superior to everyone else.
THAT is where the *tips fedora* meme comes from, and THAT is why it is so fucking accurate and appropriate. If you came here to have an ACTUAL DISCUSSION about religion that would be one thing, but you're just here to jerk yourself off. It's why the most you'll ever get out of 90% of 4chan is *tips fedora*
TL;DR glad to see you're enlightened by your own intelligence, and not some false god.
*tips fedora*",,Anonymous,1438096625971.jpg,+6xtjxq43Bav0Qu7XqdC8g==,US,,1438733782
49111468,49119012,2015-08-05 00:16:50,">>49118966
u wot?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733810
49111468,49119065,2015-08-05 00:18:08,">>49118991
Its just getting sad now.
That is weak.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733888
49111468,49119076,2015-08-05 00:18:23,">>49112206
> I am worried about how the majority of atheists are autistic permavirgin losers with no GFs, I think this is what causes them to be atheists. 
That's exactly what it is. They're just faggots that want to stand out, be edgy, and be a spechul snowflake in their own little world.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438733903
49111468,49119095,2015-08-05 00:19:06,"So what is this, counter-counter-culture?
>atheism starts to get popular on sites like Reddit
>""oh shit we can't be atheists anymore""
>/pol/ shifts to being a conservative Christian board
>""oh shit we can't be hipsters on /pol/ anymore if we stay Christian""
>this thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438733946
49111468,49119101,2015-08-05 00:19:19,">>49112288
I'm not even religious and I think you're a bunch of stupid fags.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438733959
49111468,49119112,2015-08-05 00:19:44,,,Anonymous,follow your dreams.gif,+DWmMFpB7oX0Twd6PGvTQQ==,US,,1438733984
49111468,49119122,2015-08-05 00:19:59,>>49119065,,Anonymous,reptilian.types.jpg,TEKANK4EwEKvGGiYsD2mEQ==,GB,,1438733999
49111468,49119153,2015-08-05 00:20:52,"What the fuck happened to my thread?
Nothing but shitposters, trolls, and literal spam.
Let's discuss free will: Libertarian or compatibilism?",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins.jpg,aJkGcbTagVXOq0Fzgcxbcw==,US,,1438734052
49111468,49119154,2015-08-05 00:20:56,">>49113605
The religion of Atheism is modern Physics
> our prophets believe we are the hologram of a collapsed 4 dimensional black hole",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438734056
49111468,49119175,2015-08-05 00:21:23,">>49119153
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.",,Anonymous,reptilians.png,wytwh0f08CFEBlwqV3uxww==,GB,,1438734083
49111468,49119185,2015-08-05 00:21:42,">>49119101
You're not religious but you're a theist?
Are you one of those narcissistic ""i believe in something but i cant tell you what that something is"" deists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734102
49111468,49119217,2015-08-05 00:22:40,">>49114486
You're so retarded. Only white people understand Buddhism in this way..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438734160
49111468,49119229,2015-08-05 00:22:54,">>49119076
but they are so smart. they understand the way things really are and the rest of us should be happy that such enlightened people are kind enough to share their wisdom with us common folk.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734174
49111468,49119255,2015-08-05 00:23:23,">>49119185
>an atheist calling someone else narcissistic 
Hoo boy.
See
>>49119000
You're just here to belittle people. Fedora tipping faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734203
49111468,49119285,2015-08-05 00:24:08,">>49119255
Dodging the question?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734248
49111468,49119289,2015-08-05 00:24:15,">>49119000
I wish my phone was more condusive to finding and posting reaction pics that would express my feelings toward this post. However I doubt google could find one appropreate.
But all the work I didn't finish as I come to the end of my shift could stand testimony to your wisdom and be woth it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734255
49111468,49119290,2015-08-05 00:24:18,">>49114655
So the truth comes out. You're just anti-catholic. What a stance to build your life's morality on",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438734258
49111468,49119308,2015-08-05 00:24:52,Why do 90% americans believe in god? It just seems so fucking medieval to North European.,,Anonymous,,,FI,,1438734292
49111468,49119322,2015-08-05 00:25:15,">post a cock in a thread on genital mutilation
>3 day ban
>spam the fuck out of a thread with lizard people nonsense
>everything a okay",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734315
49111468,49119357,2015-08-05 00:26:24,">>49119322
David Icke has a lot of followers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734384
49111468,49119403,2015-08-05 00:27:38,">>49119255
>You're just here to belittle people
Actually.... quote me belittling anyone ITT. Your first post in this thread was the trusty fedora maymay.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734458
49111468,49119411,2015-08-05 00:27:50,">>49119289
T-thanks anon.
>>49119308
Because they want to. Browbeating and self-aggrandizement don't make you sound any smarter. Fag.",,Anonymous,jej.jpg,lxUp9YJ9DlyoBTLyV9JmFg==,US,,1438734470
49111468,49119415,2015-08-05 00:27:57,">>49114733
Many theistic religions simply view God as the whole - everything that was, is, and will be. In the case of early Christian though; there are arguments like the Unmoved Mover, that is, that God is the source of life and action. This is pretty logical ad requires no anthropomorphic deity or any of the other later additions to Christianity made after Orthodoxy.
This description of God applies to Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Judaism etc..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438734477
49111468,49119430,2015-08-05 00:28:24,">>49119153
Literally Maple Chan Fag and AREN'T YOU guy
I enjoy reading these threads for insight from you, malaysia guy, and outerlimits.
But I cringe when I read Maple cunt's posts as they are just an example of blatant shitposting, backwards logic, meme neo atheism, and literally posting porn in what was supposed to be a civilized discussion. Need I go on?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734504
49111468,49119438,2015-08-05 00:28:40,">>49113990
>Goethe
>Christian 
Pick 1. He was the most atheist person imaginable.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438734520
49111468,49119453,2015-08-05 00:29:06,">>49119290
Well she was atheist before she was taught to be Catholic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734546
49111468,49119504,2015-08-05 00:30:35,">>49119403
>asking me to actually read through your masturbatory horse shit
Nah fam, I'm good.
Also, witness these dubs
>>49119411
>>49119255
And these trips
>>49119000
If God isn't real how come I have so many repeating digits?
Checkmate you enlightened faggots",,Anonymous,joeroganspace.jpg,pqJLEhhx30MRT3589vJ1cg==,US,,1438734635
49111468,49119550,2015-08-05 00:32:17,">>49119430
>getting this buttblasted
Im sorry i hurt your feelings so much that you STILL cant get over it. Perhaps you arent meant for 4chan, i think tumblr would be a better website for you.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,20100818_crybaby_190x190.jpg,82cjX5hZa4HYewPh3Owcpg==,CA,,1438734737
49111468,49119555,2015-08-05 00:32:25,">>49119504
>states atheists are immature and don't care about discussing religion, they just want to belittle people and tip fedoras
>resorts to this shitposting immediately after",,Anonymous,c1e72135-a17c-4970-aef4-c8046caba93a.jpg,ihrquVwVcSNsNi9LYtK7nw==,US,,1438734745
49111468,49119579,2015-08-05 00:32:58,">>49119430
You've summed up the situation pretty concisely. 
I think Maple and some others in this thread are just going through some hard times, that's why I posted Bob Ross here >>49111498
We shouldn't be so harsh or judgmental on these individuals. It's been a dream for many people for a long time to share their views with everybody on nature, philosophy and whatnot, I love when this thread can be that.",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_01_1.jpg,Q2LfE8qGmN2O2ktZ52BbEw==,US,,1438734778
49111468,49119583,2015-08-05 00:33:03,">>49119322
Wait.
was Maple Cunt banned? Y-You're getting my hopes up",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734783
49111468,49119620,2015-08-05 00:33:54,">>49119555
Fuck you're right. I can't argue with those digits.
Still, though. Atheists are pretentious faggots.",,Anonymous,dumb-ass-bush.jpg,UKnHhRXv4/n2Ztzx1YMowg==,US,,1438734834
49111468,49119624,2015-08-05 00:33:59,,,Anonymous,GodIsCloserThanYouThink.jpg,7lSZNpT9edhkFNd1lbsnWQ==,US,,1438734839
49111468,49119630,2015-08-05 00:34:15,">>49119308
Well, good luck proving the non-existence of a God. Until that happens, people are going to believe. What is really stupid is to make the claim ""God does not exist"" when it is not possible to know. I see that they do not teach even basic logic in Northern Europe. Atheism is a reflection of a lazy mind.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734855
49111468,49119632,2015-08-05 00:34:20,">>49119583
nope sorry im doing lewd things on skype with my gf.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,2545175_f260.jpg,Jdi7vDbfyq4Y09DOhZVycQ==,CA,,1438734860
49111468,49119634,2015-08-05 00:34:24,">>49119555
>>49119504
Also trips confirms there is no god",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734864
49111468,49119647,2015-08-05 00:34:38,,,Anonymous,Jesuswantsourlove.jpg,3+rYJxDhcPSQFd/7Nx8Lsw==,US,,1438734878
49111468,49119668,2015-08-05 00:35:22,,,Anonymous,quote-an-atheist-has-to-know-a-lot-more-than-i-know-an-atheist-is-someone-who-knows-there-is-no-god-by-carl-sagan-263888.jpg,TZOjHZ/hbSwbpT0YJSWvUw==,US,,1438734922
49111468,49119676,2015-08-05 00:35:28,,,Anonymous,GodIsCloserThanYouThink.jpg,yvHMNTNxS3OfhR2e65+Mtg==,US,,1438734928
49111468,49119690,2015-08-05 00:35:49,">>49119620
Rebellious teenagers are pretentious faggots. This generation just happens to have more teenage atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734949
49111468,49119705,2015-08-05 00:36:11,,,Anonymous,Its ok to come back.jpg,EyGcHkGYZWKPzN5CmN8vUA==,US,,1438734971
49111468,49119709,2015-08-05 00:36:14,">>49117223
> An ""Atheist"" comes on this board, claiming he is of a religion, attacking other Atheists for being Atheists, and telling people that he should be believed.
> Troll
Pick two.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734974
49111468,49119712,2015-08-05 00:36:16,">>49111468
Richard Dawkins is an intellectually impaired asshat. I do not give his words any merit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438734976
49111468,49119718,2015-08-05 00:36:25,">>49119634
It's too late. You can't retroactively direct the meaning of you trips. The trip wavefunction has already collapsed
If doubles, atheists are niggers.",,Anonymous,1438664105812.jpg,vlyW6vKeCQu2izJMQwcPMQ==,US,,1438734985
49111468,49119736,2015-08-05 00:36:59,">>49119185
A fucking atheist calling me narcissistic.. 
I'm not really a theist, I don't believe in some sort of anthropomorphic God, or Jesus. I believe in God as the source of all life, which we can connect to. I believe the bible, Qu'ran, guru granth sahib ji, daodejing, bhagavad gita etc.. Are all inspired writings that can teach you how to live a better life in so many ways.
Atheists are just defeatist and ignorant. I have yet to meet one who has actually looked beyond abrahamic religions and explored their spiritual life.
Just a bunch of sad, delusional faggots.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438735019
49111468,49119752,2015-08-05 00:37:36,,,Anonymous,Christianity.png,VtDFltWrpJRvx/VbN0z8Aw==,US,,1438735056
49111468,49119793,2015-08-05 00:38:33,,,Anonymous,readinglist.jpg,Cen96N9S25fZr9mF5vR4mw==,US,,1438735113
49111468,49119795,2015-08-05 00:38:34,">>49119647
I can't say I love you to Jesus.
I will it say ""I love you"" to any male.
I never said it to my father. And I will never say it,
faggots are a sin",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438735114
49111468,49119811,2015-08-05 00:38:58,">>49119229
Heh, exactly. They think that because they don't accept the mystical parts of ply books (which many religious people don't) they can come up with better cultural and spiritual teachings than the enlightened people who wrote all the holy books that people have cherished for thousands of years.
Literally the most autistic thing you could do..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438735138
49111468,49119841,2015-08-05 00:39:45,">>49119579
>hard times
clearly since this is exactly what she posts when she can't defend herself. Then again you're right, I shouldn't be judgmental since I've never suffered from kidney stones, being kicked out, or gender shit.
But is it too much to ask for a thread on civil discussion on theology, psychology, and sociology?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735185
49111468,49119851,2015-08-05 00:39:57,">>49119736
Atheists are nothing more than a bunch dumb ass wannabe intellectuals who manipulate statistics, facts, and logic in an effort to discourage people from believing in God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735197
49111468,49119865,2015-08-05 00:40:31,">>49119736
Jesus Christ man you DO know you can be a deeply spiritual person and still be an atheist right?
Rebelious fedora tipping faggots aren't what atheism is, it's only a single posistion on a single issue: do you actively believe in a deity?
yes: theist
no: athiest",,Anonymous,1309792134047.jpg,DAcvs5agRaAVZqK0CaUQsw==,US,,1438735231
49111468,49119868,2015-08-05 00:40:38,"Reminder that any ""new"" arguments you think you may have agaisnt Christianity were most likely debunked hundreds of years ago.",,Anonymous,images.duckduckgo.com(4).jpg,wp+3c1swxhAWZ265bmEMfg==,US,,1438735238
49111468,49119904,2015-08-05 00:41:41,">>49119736
Ad hominem fallacy. If they cannot prove you wrong, then they will fling insults at you. That's how they do business....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735301
49111468,49119910,2015-08-05 00:41:56,">>49111468
>try to make atheism general
>full of jesus freak shitposters
I'm actually kind of sad. I mean, this isn't even rising to the level of argument, it's just shitposting.
Of course, what was I expecting?",,ELECTRIC,mpvshot0014.png,roeA/GbhDAu5Gy2Cp0EK5Q==,US,,1438735316
49111468,49119914,2015-08-05 00:42:05,">>49119453
People are born spiritual, connected to life itself; that's all ""God"" is. Idiot American puritists have just warped it into some fucked up shit about hell and Jesus",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438735325
49111468,49119950,2015-08-05 00:43:26,">>49119736
It's true. I am in your camp too, although the Qu'ran and its followers are a great evil on our world. I think in general that people who lived long ago - where death confronted them on an hourly basis and they slept beneath stars undimmed by city lights - knew things about life very intimately that we have forgotten in our modern age. There is wisdom in ancient writing.
For me, religion is a very personal thing. I believe in an unknowable creator, something greater than myself that is beyond my understanding. I am a spark in a torch that has been passed on for 3 billion years from generation to generation. There is something very interesting to me about that, an interconnectedness. At any rate, this modern iteration of Atheism is a rejection of reverence; willful ignorance to the existence of things larger, deeper, and more beautiful than our minds and short lifespans have a capability of understanding.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735406
49111468,49119955,2015-08-05 00:43:36,">>49119914
That's not what the dictionary defines as god.
You are just changing the definition of god so you can avoid identifying as an atheist.
If you can't see that you are only fooling yourself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735416
49111468,49119962,2015-08-05 00:43:52,">>49119868
Unfortunately, being thoroughly debunked isn't very convincing for the majority of people. Is it still true that over half of Americans think Genesis literally happened? If not, it is probably pretty close. That's too bad...
That's why I make threads like these. I do my little 'ol part helping spread around some ideas and arguing for them and such.",,Dick Dorkins,Professor_Richard_Dawkins_-_March_2005.jpg,U0crIiOofsrcf2yOFw6Q2w==,US,,1438735432
49111468,49120009,2015-08-05 00:45:12,">>49119955
>If you can't see that you are only fooling yourself
Are you aware of how cliche and empty your faggy little arguments come across as?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735512
49111468,49120012,2015-08-05 00:45:30,">>49119950
So you're one of those types I mentioned earlier
>>49119185
>... one of those narcissistic ""i believe in something but i cant tell you what that something is"" deists..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735530
49111468,49120014,2015-08-05 00:45:34,">>49119910
the same thing happens to Christian/Catholic generals
we can't discuss anything like civilized men and women 
I have to constantly remind myself I'm trying to look for logic in an anime funposting board; a sea of shit, sharks, and the occasional diamond",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735534
49111468,49120028,2015-08-05 00:46:00,">>49119795
The first in doing I heaven is looking down at atheists in hell and making sure they know WE were right.
I am so looking foward to taunting them while they burn in hell",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438735560
49111468,49120040,2015-08-05 00:46:24,">>49119914
>Idiot American puritists have just warped it into some fucked up shit about hell and Jesus
Oh, it was the American purists that did that, huh?
Interesting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735584
49111468,49120054,2015-08-05 00:46:50,">>49120009
Yet you are dodging like a motherfucker. How are you not just changing the definition to avoid being an atheist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735610
49111468,49120106,2015-08-05 00:48:15,">>49120012
I'm having a hard time understanding how that is in any way narcissistic. I think you're attaching adjectives to belief systems that you personally find fault with, for subjective reasons.
So you're one of those types I mentioned earlier
>>49119000",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735695
49111468,49120130,2015-08-05 00:49:00,">>49119865
Yes I know, but that usually just means they are part of this new-age hindu-appropriation bullshit, or they think they understand Buddhism.
It's still faggotry in that case too.
They can't see how much their mind is already affected by Christianity. It's in their language; it's their whole world and ideology.
The bible is their cultural history which they just want to reject, because thy think they know better and they'll build a better civilization built on absolutely nothing.
And look what happens. 50% Divorce rates, GDP grinds to a halt since we're all just jerking off to porn instead of making something out of ourselves, feminism, MGTOW, gay marriage... I could go on.
Fuck athiests.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438735740
49111468,49120132,2015-08-05 00:49:04,">>49119962
A religion being right or wrong does not disprove the existence of God. This is about whether or not God exists, and not about a religion being right or wrong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735744
49111468,49120146,2015-08-05 00:49:26,">>49120054
I haven't dodged a god damn thing. Deism is very different from Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735766
49111468,49120157,2015-08-05 00:49:46,">>49113225
'how does it help a man if you persuade him that blind force presides over his destiny, and strikes at random,now at the virtuos, now at the criminal?... will the idea of anihillation inspire him ... will it give him more respect for himself and his fellow men,more devotion to his country...'
-Robespierre causing Atheists and Brissotfags to be BTFO.
Basically telling a man that God is not real improves nothing about his life. Why replace devotion to God with nothing. im not religous myself but advocating for the adoption of Atheism is dumb especially when religon can give purpose to life and increase stablity",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438735786
49111468,49120182,2015-08-05 00:50:25,">>49120130
Don't even bother. This fucking guy you're replying to categorizes Deism as Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735825
49111468,49120226,2015-08-05 00:52:12,">>49119955
> dictionary
That's nice.
Holy books that concieve of the divine in the way I've described;
- Guru Granth Sahib Ji
- Qu'ran
- Orthodox Bible
- Torah
- Daodejing
Only extremists think God is someone you can talk to and shit..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438735932
49111468,49120238,2015-08-05 00:52:29,">>49113225
Well, it is quite obvious that you cannot prove a negative or we would not be having these arguments would we? You see, not everyone falls for the twisted logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735949
49111468,49120247,2015-08-05 00:52:40,">>49120106
Becuase you believe in ""something"" you readily admit is ""beyond your understanding"" and you can't even define any characteristics of it, and belittle others for saying ""well maybe lets hold off on belief until we have more to go on and you can tell me specifically what it is you believe""
>>49119000
>this post 
>not narcissistic as fuck
pick one",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438735960
49111468,49120294,2015-08-05 00:54:12,">>49120012
So edgy..
He's a spiritual person who actually sees the reason why religion exists in the first place. I'd say the only reason he doesn't commit to religion is the social stigma creaed by you stupid faggots.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736052
49111468,49120320,2015-08-05 00:55:01,">>49119000
""Tips fedora"" is the result of the average IQ on 4chan dropping to around 60 in the last several years (/pol/ being the biggest exception at max 40). That you would pretend otherwise is hilarious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736101
49111468,49120324,2015-08-05 00:55:07,">>49119647
>>49119676
>>49119705
These are so cringe inducing holy Shit",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736107
49111468,49120344,2015-08-05 00:55:37,">>49119950
That's exactly it.. They only kept the most important messages tey thought people should hear; they collected them over thousands of years.
And Atheists think they know better... It's delusional.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736137
49111468,49120356,2015-08-05 00:56:03,">>49120247
Who is dodging now? You called deism ""narcissistic."" You have failed to explain why. I never belittled people for saying ""well let's hold off blah blah,"" what I am doing is belittling people who feel the need to denigrate faith in God to make themselves feel better about their own belief systems. An example would be calling Deists ""narcissistic.""
I don't think you know what narcissism is, by the way.
Inb4 he links the fucking dictionary definition to me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736163
49111468,49120361,2015-08-05 00:56:18,">>49120146
You said you didn't believe in a deity perse you said some bullshit about life is god or something, right? Probably have some half assed shared consciousness, quantum mechanics rationalization with other ""smart sounding"" buzzwords thrown in, yeah?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736178
49111468,49120399,2015-08-05 00:57:36,">>49120320
Tips fedora is a stand-in, low effort rebuttal to threads like this, where atheists masturbate furiously for 350+ posts while everyone else trolls them or half-assed debates them. 
If the average IQ was 40 here you wouldn't see anyone typing in complete sentences.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736256
49111468,49120401,2015-08-05 00:57:37,">>49120132
Both are important, I think. You can kill both birds with one stone. I like to take on big challenges, so I mainly focus on the Abrahamic God. He's the God of three very large religions. I think that showing people he is a fiction is a very powerful idea.
Here is a very nice little video, based on a book by a former nun, on the history of how the modern monotheistic God was invented https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
I think it is important for people to understand where their god came from",,Dick Dorkins,0701-dawkins-laughing_9438.jpg,xiZ9icNvsYDk8RIbRynmHg==,US,,1438736257
49111468,49120411,2015-08-05 00:57:54,">>49120226
Is this massive bait? So god didn't talk to moses for example in the OT? Have you read any of those books are do you just say you have and hope nobody calls you out?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736274
49111468,49120415,2015-08-05 00:58:01,">>49120247
I am still trying to figure out how arrogant assholes can know so much about everything by living on this tiny blue dot. We have barely left our own solar system, yet we somehow know that things do not exist in the universe or beyond? We somehow know that there are no more dimensions. Something is seriously fucked up there. Are atheists a bunch of psychics that know everything even though unknowable things are unknowable since we lack the technology and means to discover what may exist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736281
49111468,49120428,2015-08-05 00:58:24,">>49120361
You're replying to the wrong person dumbass.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736304
49111468,49120448,2015-08-05 00:59:01,">>49120356
A specific type of deists, nowhere did i say ""deists are narcisstic."" 
But nice try",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736341
49111468,49120461,2015-08-05 00:59:14,">>49120361
Not really no. I believe that we are part of something larger than ourselves, that defies human understanding. Perhaps a consciousness, perhaps not. 
Feel free to continue insulting me for believing something different than you do anyway, though. It's what you came here to do, after all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736354
49111468,49120474,2015-08-05 00:59:31,">>49120415
The arrogance would be in claiming to know of those hypothetical things you're mentioning, not rejecting them. You're an insanely stupid person.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736371
49111468,49120508,2015-08-05 01:00:27,">>49120411
> Torah 
> Orthodox Bible
Did I say Christian bible? Why don't you ask a rabbi if they think God is an anthropomorphic being you can talk to? Because they don't. 
I've read them.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736427
49111468,49120521,2015-08-05 01:00:40,">>49119868
>posts Thomas Aquinus
Oh the irony.",,Anonymous,1435677316397.jpg,OCgwrHb35tFKQJ6t/bChmQ==,US,,1438736440
49111468,49120533,2015-08-05 01:00:52,">>49120474
>people who don't argree with me are:
>arrogant
>stupid
Standard atheist bantz, ladies and gentlemen.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736452
49111468,49120558,2015-08-05 01:01:25,">>49120474
You're just an asshat...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736485
49111468,49120580,2015-08-05 01:01:55,">>49120428
No, I'm not. You seem share his views do you not?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736515
49111468,49120636,2015-08-05 01:03:10,">>49120580
I'm the one who said ""God is just the source of life that babies are connected to"", to paraphrase. So yes, you are replying to the wrong person you stupid fuck.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736590
49111468,49120645,2015-08-05 01:03:33,">>49120580
>do you not?
Don't mind me, just cringing some more at your freshman level style of writing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736613
49111468,49120671,2015-08-05 01:04:01,">>49120508
The torah is the first parts of the fucking Old Testament, idiot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736641
49111468,49120681,2015-08-05 01:04:28,">>49120533
>>49120558
Religious people are subhumans and approximately as intelligent as chimps, but that wasn't my argument. If you look closely and learn to read, my argument was that blindly claiming to know what is beyond the magic space-hill is arrogant. Saying ""we don't know what's behind the magic space-hill"" is decidedly not arrogant at all. 
You don't understand this very simple reality because you are stupid enough to use buzzwords like ""spiritual"" and then even take it a step further to claim the trait is some kind of virtue.
If you're religious you are barely even a person. You're literally stuck several thousand years in the past intellectually.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736668
49111468,49120698,2015-08-05 01:04:45,">>49120474
You are too fucking stupid to even understand basic logic. Go back to school dumbass...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736685
49111468,49120731,2015-08-05 01:05:47,">>49120671
I know that.
Christians and Jews interpret it differently.
You should stop calling people idiots when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736747
49111468,49120740,2015-08-05 01:06:06,">>49120533
>>49120558
Arrogance is claiming to know more than you can possibly know, aka, any theistic position.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,1404344424759.jpg,ffe6jlQXvKMs1E2GgkvQJw==,CA,,1438736766
49111468,49120772,2015-08-05 01:06:43,">>49120681
You clearly don't know shit. Your intellectual inferiority is showing. Claiming to know that something does not exist is not only arrogant, but a fallacy as well.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736803
49111468,49120785,2015-08-05 01:07:05,">>49111468
can someone post dawkins ""dick sucking rabbi cocks"" 
always cracks me up",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438736825
49111468,49120800,2015-08-05 01:07:24,">>49120645
Excuse me for not writing at college-level on /pol/
>>49120636
goddamn i gotta take a second here. ""God is the source of life that babies are connected to""
the more I think about it the funnier it gets. God is what, literally my balls? Can my new-age BS meter handle this much?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736844
49111468,49120818,2015-08-05 01:07:57,">>49120681
> you're stuck 5,000 years in the past intellectually
So, what? You're some sort of genius that knows better, right? You can lead me to a better life with your teachings? By all means, if you think those books are so outdated, write your own.
Fucking autist...",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438736877
49111468,49120843,2015-08-05 01:08:35,">>49120681
You sound upset at religious people. Did Father touch your pee pee when you were very young?
It's not your fault you had a tight ass as a 13 year old. It's not even your fault for liking it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736915
49111468,49120883,2015-08-05 01:09:33,">>49120731
So what? The fuck does that matter how different people interpret it and how is it even relevant to this? This is your problem",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438736973
49111468,49120902,2015-08-05 01:10:00,"NEW THREAD
>>49120854
>>49120854
>>49120854
I have high hopes for this new thread",,Dick Dorkins,Richard Dawkins and Adolf Hitler and swastika and nazism.jpg,GnV8UnwbLN30ElWQCm2fpA==,US,,1438737000
49111468,49120923,2015-08-05 01:10:28,">>49120740
So claiming to know that something does not exist is not knowing more than you can possibly know? Yeah that makes perfect sense...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737028
49111468,49120929,2015-08-05 01:10:34,">>49120740
 > more than you can possibly know
Theists claim there is a universal source of life. That's not really outside of what we know. How do you propose to argue against the Unmoved Mover? Infinite regression?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737034
49111468,49120960,2015-08-05 01:11:25,">>49120818
>you're stuck in the past intellectually 
>so what?
Alright folks we're done here",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737085
49111468,49120999,2015-08-05 01:12:31,">>49120923
Where did he say he was a gnostic atheist?
99 percent of atheists you will talk to are agnostic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737151
49111468,49121003,2015-08-05 01:12:41,">>49120800
I'm not new age buddy. Many major religions teach that God is the source of all life and is therefore our Creator. This means that a baby who has not yet learned language and our other learned behaviors is closest to the source of life.
It's not very difficult to understand.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737161
49111468,49121039,2015-08-05 01:13:34,">>49120960
> So, what?
> So what?
Learn the difference, fucking autist can't even read.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737214
49111468,49121043,2015-08-05 01:13:41,">>49120929
source of life /= source of the universe
Stop changing definitions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737221
49111468,49121066,2015-08-05 01:14:24,">>49120960
If IQ tests examined overall human intellect, these dumb fucks would score in the double digits.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737264
49111468,49121074,2015-08-05 01:14:34,">>49120929
For purposes of morons like you discussing it, ""life"" is a buzzword. Do you know what life is? It's a bunch of protons, neutrons, and electrons, the exact same as the ones that make up your chair, arranged into a pattern that resulted in consciousness -- which itself is merely an illusion brought on by complexity. 
Unmoved mover is flawed for the simple fucking reason that it's based on an enormous assumption about cause and effect. Maybe if you actually bothered to educate yourself you'd know that cause and effect literally do not apply unless you have time and space. Eat shit. All religious people are drooling filth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737274
49111468,49121128,2015-08-05 01:16:05,">>49120883
Because I'm telling you that non-Americans do not percieve God in the way you think they do.
You also claimed I was wrong, I've explained why I'm not, and you come at me with 
> so what? Why are you even saying these things??
Autism, man..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737365
49111468,49121141,2015-08-05 01:16:48,">>49120999
 
Oh... so now you want to speak bullshit and say that atheists never claim the nonexistence of God? It happens all the time. These so called ""intellectuals"" are always saying stupid shit like that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737408
49111468,49121142,2015-08-05 01:16:49,">>49121003
Why? Because they are recently alive? Why aren't spiders closest? What is your metric? Also I will say it again, source of life /= source of everything
>>49121039
Take, a breather, m8, a comma,, shouldn't trigger you ,,so much.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737409
49111468,49121172,2015-08-05 01:18:04,">>49121043
The universe is included in what I am calling ""life"".. I never changed anything.
My original definition was "" everything that was, is, and will be"". That includes life.
Do try to keep up.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737484
49111468,49121187,2015-08-05 01:18:43,">>49121066
Another autist that misread the post..
My IQ is in the 99th percentile if we must discuss it..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737523
49111468,49121191,2015-08-05 01:18:54,">>49121141
Did you even skim the OP at all? Well, don't answer that, it's obvious.
Atheists don't claim the nonexistence of god, no. They just lack a belief in one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737534
49111468,49121226,2015-08-05 01:19:41,">>49121172
The universe is an organism?
But you're not one of those new agers though, gotcha.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737581
49111468,49121235,2015-08-05 01:19:59,">>49121074
> unless you have time and space 
When the hell did we not have time and space?
And I'm the one with the strange arguments...",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737599
49111468,49121240,2015-08-05 01:20:09,">>49121141
I've literally never even heard of an atheist that claimed the nonexistence of god. No really, my only experience with this supposed atheist is mad religious retards on the internet using it as a strawman to take out their retard-strength on. 
Belief in god hasn't even earned the respect of having deniers. It's totally unfalsifiable. The only response to a religious schizophrenic should be a passive ""Okay"" and a pat on the head. No one cares about your imaginary friend that lives outside of time you fucking chimp subhuman.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737609
49111468,49121274,2015-08-05 01:21:26,">>49121172
>My original definition was "" everything that was, is, and will be"".
in what post? link it, i cant be bothered. I don't remember you saying that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737686
49111468,49121329,2015-08-05 01:22:47,">>49121226
No, I'm not.
I'm educated enough to know that life came from the matter in the universe .. Therefore life was at one point only those particles. I can't just arbitrarily pick a point in time where life began, so life is the whole universe.
That's to say; when did your life begin? When you were born, when you were conceived? When your parents met? When you parents were born? Etc..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737767
49111468,49121340,2015-08-05 01:23:17,">>49117317
> souls of a million peasants
>peasants
typical british shoddy merchandise, harvesting fucking peasants
there's a reason why we buy german cars and now you know why",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438737797
49111468,49121350,2015-08-05 01:23:31,">>49121235
Not a question of when, but where.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737811
49111468,49121371,2015-08-05 01:24:12,">>49121350
Right.... The religion of modern physics.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737852
49111468,49121410,2015-08-05 01:25:06,">>49121329
Then you are a pantheist. Get your shit together.
Also use the dictionary once in a while, and look up the definition of life.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737906
49111468,49121417,2015-08-05 01:25:20,">>49121274
Look for it yourself. I'm on my phone..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438737920
49111468,49121460,2015-08-05 01:26:19,">>49121371
That's the exact opposite of religion. Being religious should be a crime punishable by sterilization. Someone as unintelligent as you, who dogmatically believes made up nonsense is equal in value to research and reproducibility should be banned from inflicting their disease on the world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438737979
49111468,49121491,2015-08-05 01:27:04,">>49121371
>those scientist guys sure are stupid, it's literally their job to do physics but they're wrong and I'm right",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738024
49111468,49121554,2015-08-05 01:28:42,">>49121410
I never really described myself as any particular buzzword. I only criticized athiests.
I speak 4 languages, do you think I give a fuck about the English, pedantic, daily life, scientific definition of ""life"".
You should stop being so fucking autistic and listen to whats being said instead of trying to find holes to poke at. This is a problem with the entire English language but you faggots make it worse. 
You're asking me to use precise language to describe something that can only be described in metaphor... So ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738122
49111468,49121595,2015-08-05 01:29:46,">>49119153
there is A NIGGER in the background
It thought it can hide but i SPOTTED IT
I have saved your THREAD",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438738186
49111468,49121654,2015-08-05 01:31:07,">>49121554
>You're asking me to use precise language to describe something that can only be described in metaphor.
Ding ding ding. If it can only be described by metaphor what the fuck does that say?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738267
49111468,49121675,2015-08-05 01:31:41,">>49121460
Slow down fedora.
I'm not dogmatic about anything. I've never asserted myself as a theist or as a part of any relgion in this thread. 
There's no reproducibility in theoretical physics, by the way. Just a bunch of autists trying to disprove God; meanwhile the majority of religious people just view God as the Unmoved Mover; which is all the big ban theory accumulates to.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738301
49111468,49121697,2015-08-05 01:32:11,">>49121240
We then either you are deaf, cannot read, or just fucking stupid. The phrase ""There is no God"" or ""God does not exist"" has been said by many atheists time and time again. Are you saying that they did not mean what they said? I mean if you want, I can dig through and find countless sources where many atheists have made those claims. I'm sure many other people in here can as well.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738331
49111468,49121733,2015-08-05 01:32:58,">>49121491
> This week in Physics; are we a hologram created by the collapsing of a 4 dimensional black hole?
Autism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738378
49111468,49121778,2015-08-05 01:34:05,">>49121675
>meanwhile the majority of religious people just view God as the Unmoved Mover; which is all the big ban theory accumulates to.
Why am I not surprised? The Big Bang theory on its own doesn't have ANYTHING to do with why or where the universe came from, it only deals with the expansion after it already happened.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738445
49111468,49121790,2015-08-05 01:34:30,">>49121654
It says that our language is not capable of expressing everything. Only Autists think it can.
Why do you think we have art, music, poetry, dance?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738470
49111468,49121837,2015-08-05 01:35:53,">>49121697
People are typically referring to specific gods when they say that, and they're right. It is a scientific fact that Christianity is false and that the Christian God doesn't exist. Multiple claims central to Christian doctrine completely violate both physics and simple logic. You can ignore that, but then you're dismissing the entire foundation on which ""wrongness"" is built. If Christianity might be true then you can stop using your computer, because you safely dismiss all the laws whose consistency is relied on for it to operate. 
Find me examples of atheists claiming to know nothing created the universe instead. No one claims that and no one cares. Being a deist or a ""spiritual person"" is the equivalent of screaming HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. No one fucking cares.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738553
49111468,49121863,2015-08-05 01:36:35,">>49121733
How dare they follow evidence and create hypothesis. That's how you end up landing on the moon and inventing things like the microwave oven and nuclear power and shit, what are they thinking?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738595
49111468,49121864,2015-08-05 01:36:35,">>49120800
Ad hominem: When all else fails, become a grammar nazi....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738595
49111468,49121879,2015-08-05 01:37:13,">>49121778
fair enough. I was just referring to the fact that the singularity before the big bang is as far back as physicists have conjectured unanimously. 
A mysterious source of all matter which evolved into life.. Which doesn't seem to obey the laws of physics",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738633
49111468,49121923,2015-08-05 01:38:25,">>49121863
What evidence? They are just making shit up to make the math fit real life.
Engineering and making sht up are two different things.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738705
49111468,49121940,2015-08-05 01:38:54,">>49121790
That's all fine and well but I thought we were talking about reality here and what is falsifiable or detectable in any way, not things that make you feel fuzzy inside.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738734
49111468,49122020,2015-08-05 01:40:57,">>49121923
That's how science works, dude. I can cite you numerous examples of science predicting something with math and then having it confirmed if you want.
That's kinda one of the big things about science, being able to reliably make predictions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438738857
49111468,49122085,2015-08-05 01:42:56,">>49121940
No you stupid fuck, the only argument I've made is that there are great things to be learned from religion if you stop being a fucking 
> muh objective realities 
Autist for a second and use your brain for something else other than being a pedantic asshat.
Attribute some value to your subjective experience and you will have a better life and won't be such an intolerable cunt.
I'm going to bed, clearly I'm wasting my time. I'm not looking to ""convert"" anyone, since I'm not even converted. I was just looking to add another point of view outside of fedoras and crosses..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438738976
49111468,49122125,2015-08-05 01:43:56,">>49121879
>there is something we don't understand yet, therefore god",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739036
49111468,49122154,2015-08-05 01:44:54,">>49122020
What makes you think that the same laws that apply here, apply everywhere? Maybe there is some other place or dimension where the laws of physics simply do not exist. In fact, I am pretty certain that there are such places.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739094
49111468,49122166,2015-08-05 01:45:23,">>49122085
Nope. You identified as a pantheist, even if you didn't mean to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739123
49111468,49122193,2015-08-05 01:46:00,"OP, you're a SJW shill that promotes Atheism further your cultural Marxist agenda. You can't fool me.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1438739160
49111468,49122222,2015-08-05 01:46:50,">>49122154
> Maybe there is some other place or dimension where the laws of physics simply do not exist. In fact, I am pretty certain that there are such places.
This is the same person bitching about the ""arrogance"" of atheism earlier. People this stupid actually exist. People with self-awareness this impaired exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739210
49111468,49122226,2015-08-05 01:46:55,">>49122020
This is not the same. I study mathematics, and its history.
You're referring to calculus, which was created to explain physical phenomenon by Newton. Modern physics is totally disconnected from real life. Their mathematical models are consistent with themselves but fall apart in testing, its complete nonsense.
I'm gonna go now. By all means, I may of course be wrong. But if you have to explain your theories with ideas like ""its everywhere at once"" and ""there are parallel universes"", then you are invoking more unrealistic ideas than theists.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739215
49111468,49122227,2015-08-05 01:46:56,">>49119950
> an unknowable creator
fuck you man if you want to know my name just ask",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438739216
49111468,49122251,2015-08-05 01:47:29,">>49122154
I didn't say that so I have no retort
I said, so far, science has done very well at being able to make reliable predictions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739249
49111468,49122323,2015-08-05 01:49:36,">>49122251
if it can make reliable predictions what am i thinking right now
checkmate",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438739376
49111468,49122326,2015-08-05 01:49:40,">>49122166
I was actually just explaining that non-American Christians and many other religions are pantheistic, and not actually theistic as people erroneously assume.
It's not really a religious belief. It's pretty simple really, and it just comes from Christianity's pagan roots.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739380
49111468,49122375,2015-08-05 01:51:08,">>49122226
Again with the spouting falsehoods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
 Just one example off the top of my head
>>49122222
Chek'd. Also seems I was dead-on about these kinds of deists being narcissistic douchebags",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739468
49111468,49122407,2015-08-05 01:52:01,">>49122251
That's nice.
Does science teach you how to be a good person? How to find fulfilment in your life? How to fill that void in your mind that you fill with big cocks?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739521
49111468,49122410,2015-08-05 01:52:07,">>49122323
""boy i sure love the taste of semen""
 +1 for physics",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739527
49111468,49122438,2015-08-05 01:52:53,">>49122375
Lol the double slit experiment. Did you learn about physics yesterday?
I was referring to string theory dipshit.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739573
49111468,49122466,2015-08-05 01:53:38,">>49122410
its a free country bro you can love whatever you want you cum guzzler :))",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438739618
49111468,49122468,2015-08-05 01:53:40,">>49122407
Common sense tells me how to be a good person. The rest of your post is saddening projection, so for your sake I'll pretend I didn't see it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739620
49111468,49122517,2015-08-05 01:55:04,">>49122468
 > common sense
Right, common because it was relayed to you through culture (a culture built by Christianity)
Idiot.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739704
49111468,49122523,2015-08-05 01:55:12,">>49122438
LOL STRING THEORY. That's the Christian fundamentalists of physics",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739712
49111468,49122558,2015-08-05 01:56:02,">>49122523
Well I'm glad we agree.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739762
49111468,49122573,2015-08-05 01:56:24,">>49122517
If you don't think you would know how to be a good person if religion didn't exist, I've got news for you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739784
49111468,49122595,2015-08-05 01:57:14,">>49122517
The foundation of goodness is empathy, not religion. Religious people are generally scum, in fact.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739834
49111468,49122604,2015-08-05 01:57:36,">>49122558
...only on that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739856
49111468,49122646,2015-08-05 01:58:39,">>49122573
I didn't say that.
If religion didn't exist, mankind would have still written down some ideas to lve your life by; those ideas would be implanted in the language you speak. Which is what religion is..and how the world is now..
What a stupid comment..",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438739919
49111468,49122657,2015-08-05 01:58:54,">>49122523
There is no Christian fundamentalism in physics. String theory is an honest attempt to understand the world and requires very high intelligence and years of study to even understand. Even if it's wrong, it's still infinitely more respectable than any form of religion ever. You are retarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739934
49111468,49122689,2015-08-05 01:59:44,">>49122595
This, mice and even rats have been observed sharing food and ""rescuing"" restrained others.
Empathy is a behavior forged by evolution",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739984
49120854,49120854,2015-08-05 01:08:47,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,Fedora_League.jpg,URTu3lZUjW3Fh9Tv+sFo5w==,US,,1438736927
49120854,49120877,2015-08-05 01:09:18,">>49120854
>Pastebin Index
http://pastebin.com/jDfr54va
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos *new*
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *new*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>Response to Theists Free Will Argument 
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,1438551211653.jpg,lXRXiHmHGVuADRgs0xh1+Q==,US,,1438736958
49120854,49120987,2015-08-05 01:12:10,">>49120854
AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY.AREN'T YOU ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR HALF-ARSED MUSINGS ON THE DIVINE.
YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ETERNITY FOR 25 MINUTES AND THINK YOU'VE COME TO SOME INTERESTING CONCLUSIONS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I STAND WITH 2,000 YEARS OF DARKNESS AND BAFFLEMENT AND HUNGER BEHIND ME.
MY KIND HAVE HARVESTED THE SOULS OF A MILLION PEASANTS AND I COULDN'T GIVE A JIZ FOR YOUR INTERNET-ASSEMBLED PHILOSOPHY",,Anonymous,vicar-a-bit-spiritual.gif,lEwdWyZ+i1OBNLuSDrL2gQ==,GB,,1438737130
49120854,49121093,2015-08-05 01:15:14,">>49120987
really? I post 1 nsfw pic and get banned for 3 days but people can just spam threads and never get banned. Mods confirmed for christfags",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438737314
49120854,49121136,2015-08-05 01:16:35,"I like this image. I makes for some interesting discussion. A common response I get to it is ""after death, we'll exist outside of time"".
But I have yet for anyone to justify why this would be the case in the context of their religion, or even HOW they can exist outside of time. What will you do in heaven? How can you take any action without time?",,Dick Dorkins,Moj6bvK.jpg,G9cvQsZ1HV1aQ8Q+EArOog==,US,,1438737395
49120854,49121192,2015-08-05 01:18:55,">>49121136
Things would definitely get boring really fast if you were self aware for eternity. Good thing there is no evidence for a soul and our entire consciousness resides in our brain",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438737535
49120854,49121412,2015-08-05 01:25:08,">>49121192
Heh, bored in heaven. That would be funny. You could make a short film about that, I bet.
That's not really the point I'm trying to make though. I personally don't think I'd get too bored, as long as there were new things to do and make. Seems like there would be infinity of those in heaven.",,Dick Dorkins,Richard-Dawkins_2249876c.jpg,NWb0bvGKKitI6L4jTI11mQ==,US,,1438737908
49120854,49121512,2015-08-05 01:27:38,">>49121412
I know that wasnt the point you were trying to make, and i agree its silly to think that a very very short life on earth is supposed to decide how you spend literally forever, but it just seems like heaven would get dull eventually. Im glad i wont have to be self aware forever.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438738058
49120854,49121620,2015-08-05 01:30:19,">>49121512
Interesting... I think living forever would be wonderful. Like staying up late, you just don't want to go to bed. You wanna squeeze every last second out of the day. I find myself wishing there were more hours in the day everyday.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438738219
49120854,49121748,2015-08-05 01:33:21,">>49121620
I wish I could live forever for the simple fact that I'd see the advancement of the human race and maybe expansion into space.
I see it like this, imagine for a second that you're Newton for example, you discovered a lot for your time and influenced the world greatly but you'll never see what happens in the future, you'll never see the 21st century.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438738401
49120854,49121946,2015-08-05 01:39:09,">>49121748
Ah, yes. That's another great point. There are so many sci-fi theories floating around about how humanity will eventually explore the stars. Perhaps it will just be robots doing it. Perhaps it will be us in some form or another.
I wonder if the singularity will happen. I wonder what will become of our earth. What will politics and religions look like in 1000 years? In 10,000 years? Just think about what has happened in the last 200 years.
It's truly incredible.",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-starred-in-a-really-freaky-video-about-internet-memes.jpg,+EguSk/CAAYgc5jjwKymaw==,US,,1438738749
49120854,49121982,2015-08-05 01:39:59,">>49121748
I imagine living literally forever would be like listening to your favorite song on repeat for the next 10 years. Eventually everything gets dull. Except in the cause of heaven it literally would never end, ever.",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,,,CA,,1438738799
49120854,49122079,2015-08-05 01:42:46,">>49121982
>I imagine living literally forever would be like listening to your favorite song on repeat for the next 10 years
I don't understand how it would be anything like that. Every day new things happen. Every day a new song is written. Life is as boring as you make it.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438738966
49120854,49122156,2015-08-05 01:44:59,">>49121982
Perhaps the rate at which time seems to pass would be accelerated?
Besides, I don't think it'd get boring, especially when you can go around being famous as the guy who never dies.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438739099
49120854,49122206,2015-08-05 01:46:21,">>49122079
One negative I can see is that everybody you've ever known dies, you can't form lasting relationships with anybody because they die, you'd miss your old life a lot and probably wish that everything was the way it was when you were young. That's the only unbearable part i'd imagine.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438739181
49120854,49122228,2015-08-05 01:46:57,">>49122079
I mean, everything would change beyond recognition and you'd miss the way it used to be.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438739217
49120854,49122285,2015-08-05 01:48:34,">>49122206
Assuming we're not talking hypothetical, the people you know could just live forever too with the same technology.
>>49122228
Ah, to be a 90's kid in the year 3578920. Kids these days don't know what they missed out on.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438739314
49120854,49122406,2015-08-05 01:52:00,">>49122285
How much memory can we actually store anyway? I mean, eventually you'd just start to forget everything about your early life wouldn't you?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438739520
49120854,49122463,2015-08-05 01:53:33,"If you know the truth, then you know nothing.
But if you seek the truth you will find it.
If in your path you should meet budda, kill him.
The easiest person to fool is yourself.
If you want to argue, you have won, and you recieve your argument. But if you want to learn, then you will have all that you seek.
I have learned of truth and work to become the rightiousness I have found. It gives me purpose and meanning, and makes the chaos of this world vanish. If you, too, find it, drink deeply of it. It will make the you of right now ache and thirst in a way you can't yet recognize.
I can't give you mine, it would be meaningless to you. Getting your own is your proof.
I will suggest a hint though. All religion is waste, of time, people, and money. Also false are anything that set man above all else, be it a person or group, or even self. Intlectuals all lie, as do emotions. Faith is all you ever have, and choice is all you can ever do.
May you find the truth you hide from yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438739613
49120854,49122541,2015-08-05 01:55:42,">>49122463
>If in your path you should meet budda, kill him.
That escalated quickly.",,Dick Dorkins,63352.jpg,c1l5pgeg6D6hZrLDZBSOHg==,US,,1438739742
49120854,49122645,2015-08-05 01:58:38,">>49120854
requesting ""jews suck babby cocks"" pic",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1438739918
49120854,49122702,2015-08-05 02:00:00,">>49122645
you mean this?
https://www.destroyzionism.com/2013/07/25/rabbi-a-romi-cohn-has-sucked-25000-baby-penises-its-a-joyous-occasion/",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,tabooneorevivalist.jpg,/k6aRCKzFWHPGJQ/dW9GzA==,CA,,1438740000
49120854,49122719,2015-08-05 02:00:39,"I talked to a missionary at the bus stop today. He told me that god is fighting a holy war that will end in armageddon, where all the unfaithful will be killed. So basically Hitler times 100. Why do people worship this guy again?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438740039
49120854,49122724,2015-08-05 02:00:48,>>49122645,,Dick Dorkins,1436744692156.jpg,XY2TgeMG7aF7QQfu5NuvIA==,US,,1438740048
49120854,49122816,2015-08-05 02:03:16,">>49122724
kek every time",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438740196
49120854,49122821,2015-08-05 02:03:29,">>49122719
So they won't be among those getting fucked",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438740209
49120854,49122829,2015-08-05 02:03:45,">>49122724
why is dawkins so based?",,Maple-Syrup-Chan,89d7ad5b39d32514fb048a053ecd9b74.png,idetWznTJRT7BIoFPs2bdA==,CA,,1438740225
49120854,49122924,2015-08-05 02:06:43,">>49122829
Dunno, reddit did a full 180 and hates the poor old man now",,Dick Dorkins,1436824467533.jpg,HcotnFLKHlLqQJCpwbucnw==,US,,1438740403
49120854,49122962,2015-08-05 02:07:48,">>49122924
Fucking feminists.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1438740468
49120854,49123374,2015-08-05 02:21:35,">>49122962
Indeed",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins-rape-tweets.png,+hAADl0MyV2AmY8sEn4mMw==,US,,1438741295
49120854,49123584,2015-08-05 02:29:08,over 10 hours in paint,,Anonymous,download.jpg,7u81iqayHPYROueqjrJacQ==,RS,,1438741748
49120854,49123680,2015-08-05 02:31:56,">>49123584
I approve this message.",,Dick Dorkins,a_560x375.jpg,A0enBJ2oGvxeM5lxf6we/w==,US,,1438741916
49120854,49123830,2015-08-05 02:37:16,,,Anonymous,oyvey.png,aGNq7y/4woZL0bMD2UUddQ==,RS,,1438742236
49120854,49124342,2015-08-05 02:55:08,A positive outlook isn't such a bad thing,,Dick Dorkins,better_news.jpg,49SnAvdl4aswLZ1oSQ2tAg==,US,,1438743308
49120854,49124410,2015-08-05 02:57:13,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,hrqIM8YR0UmcQMWAIP9R+Q==,US,,1438743433
49120854,49124412,2015-08-05 02:57:13,">>49123584
should have spent 11",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438743433
49120854,49124515,2015-08-05 03:01:37,">>49120854
>Niel DeGrasse Tyson
>Atheist
You're the reason he refuses to identify as an atheist.
>Christopher Hitchens
>disingenuous half liar
I wonder what he is thinking while he burns in hell?
>George Carlin
>Leftist Islamist
Its like Atheism wants people to hate it.
Couldn't you have gotten a decent atheist say 
David Berlinski?
So remind me again why non-belief is now a club?
Why attack religion?
>muh indoctrination
Which doesn't happen as often as you'd like to believe.
>muh ebil bible n' quran
So why not just refrain and engage in relativism? You cant even argue religion with someone religious because you would be automatically wrong if existence is the way YOU believe it is.
>Science vs Religion
Only idiots and reddit tier memesters believe this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438743697
49120854,49124520,2015-08-05 03:01:49,">>49120854
Who's in this picture? From left to right, I've got possibly John Carpenter, Penn Jillette, some guy, Stephen Hawking, my main man Friedrich, some guy who might also be John Carpenter, Carl Sagan, some guy, Dawkins, maybe Moses or Marx (if it's Marx, I fucking quit atheism), Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Gollum.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438743709
49120854,49124566,2015-08-05 03:03:43,">>49124515
>>49124520
Wait, that's Carlin? I thought he worshipped Joe Pesci...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438743823
49120854,49124613,2015-08-05 03:05:45,">>49124520
Guy between Penn and Hawking is Bill Nye. 
Guy in the very front is Hitchens.
That isn't Marx, that's Darwin.
I think Bill Maher is on the far right.
Not sure who is on the far left.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438743945
49120854,49124623,2015-08-05 03:06:26,"DeGrasse Tyson doesn't identify as an atheist, even though he doesn't believe that God exists. Fucking moron deserves no respect on the topic. He just wants money for dem programs. NASA programs.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1438743986
49120854,49124672,2015-08-05 03:08:25,">>49124515
>Which doesn't happen as often as you'd like to believe.
Happens to just about every child in a religious family.
>Only idiots and reddit tier memesters believe this.
Over half of Americans think Genesis literally happened.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438744105
49120854,49124787,2015-08-05 03:12:31,">>49124623
He's more like a pantheist than an atheist if you actually listen to him.
What are you even doing in this thread? Aren't you Catholic?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438744351
49120854,49124817,2015-08-05 03:13:42,">>49120854
>no Ayn Rand
idiots",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1438744422
49120854,49124862,2015-08-05 03:15:28,">>49124817
Fuck Ayn Rand, dumb Jew bitch!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438744528
49120854,49124934,2015-08-05 03:18:11,">>49124787
>He's more like a pantheist than an atheist if you actually listen to him.
I've never heard him say anything like this. He identifies as an agnostic, and says he doesn't believe in anything supernatural.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1438744691
49120854,49125030,2015-08-05 03:21:16,">>49123374
>fights for atheists
>exposes retarded SJWs
holy shit, this buy is BASED",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438744876
49120854,49126214,2015-08-05 04:13:22,">>49124613
I thought the Santa claus guy is Daniel Dennett.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438748002
49159156,49159156,2015-08-05 18:57:06,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
>Do you have no morals and just do whatever you want?
Atheism is not a lack of morals. It's a starting point with many roads. An atheist can make his own morals or he my find them in a philosophy or cultural institution.
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,OuterLimits,Jn4DiWf.jpg,URTu3lZUjW3Fh9Tv+sFo5w==,US,,1438801026
49159156,49159208,2015-08-05 18:58:21,"-THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
-VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
-BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
-PROFILES OF RELIGIONS
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
Includes profiles for various religions and reasons against them. Also lists a few religions we find compatible such as Deism, Pure Agnosticism, and non-superstitious spirituality.
-NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
-SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
-STUPID IDEAS IN ATHEISM
http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
There are a lot of misconceptions atheists spout ie 'all babies are born atheist'. This lists them.
-ASSORTED ESSAYS
7 Reasons to be an Atheist *new*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
Response to Theists Free Will Argument
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0 *new*
-FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the laughs, anything else irrelevant we can think of.
-IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more.
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,ENKRrsH.png,zHD0iX89w5Z/PSLn10EU7g==,US,,1438801101
49159156,49159259,2015-08-05 18:59:13,"*****UPDATE:
*An index has been added to the religion's profiles to help navigate
*New Art!
*The Basics bin has been renamed to Basics/faq to reflect it's new purpose. It also has an index and 2 new sections. One on atheism and autism and one on atheism and leftism
*The Religious profiles section is back and more detailed but not complete
*Discussing religion is still down. I'm being lazy with it
*New section was added to talk specifically about incorrect ideas in atheism. Christians, you can contribute too!!
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ abou Aquinas is added!
*The History and Literary Analysis part of our videos have 4 great new videos: one on the evolution of Satan, one on the evolution of Jesus, one on the plagiarism in Noah's Ark, and one on Nietzsche's literature analysis of Jesus, a historical Jesus.
*An Index Has been added to the Fun stuff section",,OuterLimits,Jesus as a mushroom.jpg,xbTUkCoF1AcsZ3f+4lU0iw==,US,,1438801153
49159156,49159329,2015-08-05 19:00:24,">>49159156
>Nietzsche
He doesnt belong there. ""God is Dead"" had nothing to do with ""God"". 
Take your plebeian ideas back to plebbit.",,Anonymous,trash opinion.png,ln12eF1Oula1AhtiRaBlOA==,CA,,1438801224
49159156,49160659,2015-08-05 19:28:43,">>49159329
""God is dead"" referees not just to the Christian God but all gods ""All gods are dead: now we want the Overman to live""
He wrote an entire book criticizing Judaism and Christianity called Anti-Christ. Half the fucking chapters in the first book of Zarathustra deal with religious matters. Gay Science, Genealogy of Morality, Beyond Good & Evil all comment on religion, to a lesser extent. Organized religion was a HUGE topic of Nietzsche.
""I condemn Christianity; I bring against the Christian church the most terrible of all the accusations that an accuser has ever had in his mouth""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438802923
49159156,49160732,2015-08-05 19:30:08,Somebody with Ben Carsons skills please stand up.,,Anonymous,1231312312.png,aAyNl35Enn7dxD/TnISd+Q==,US,,1438803008
49159156,49160806,2015-08-05 19:31:50,">>49159156
God bless you, child. You're doing God's work.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1438803110
49159156,49160916,2015-08-05 19:33:46,"This is 2 spooky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFJPtVRlI64",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1438803226
49159156,49161960,2015-08-05 19:57:27,">>49160916
So is this gonna go to heaven or hell?
Does God flip a coin?
What if one side does something God doesn't like? Does the other side suffer for it?
Can you cut a soul in half?
>>49160732
Carson is decent but unelectable. The only Replucian candidates are Bush, Walker, and Trump.
You are going to start seeing a lot less religion in Replucans as Christianity shrinks and atheism grows. That's overall going to be a good thing because the very laws that Christianity made to give itself special privilege are used by Islam to try to front itself.
The way religious laws work is anything but fair. New Age weirdos have just as much right to religion as Christian weirdos but it's not officially recognized as a religion, aka it doesn't get free tax breaks and less red tape.
>>49160806
Which god?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438804647
49159156,49162394,2015-08-05 20:08:37,">>49160659
I've read nietzsche, and I think alot of these things sound really nice, at least on the surface: ""I'm my own master, and can create my own purpose and morals now."" Yeah well, in practical terms, that's not really substantive. People generally don't live by principal, and our morals don't come from scripture, Kant, Schopehauer or anything in particular. Our morals are small social contracts. Helping our friends and family, being nice to the people around you, having a job and paying your taxes and so on. 
We rely on these things, and if you start breaking the social norms, you will soon find out that the world can be a pretty nasty place to people who are on the outside. 
My point is, people think they act morally because of their principles, because of the bible or whatever. But that's not true, most of what we do is just instinct and the intense fear of being abandoned. Religion, atheism or any philosophy of ethicts cannot change that, and that's why I claim that people vastly overestimated god in the first place, and his farewell won't mean much at all",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1438805317
49159156,49162897,2015-08-05 20:21:43,">>49162394
Did you catch the signficance of the intro to anti-christ? Did you ever stop to think why he said 'us' and 'them' so much?
Nietzsche's ideas are not universal. He goes out of his way to make it clear that his philosophy is not for the herd.
>Religion, atheism or any philosophy of ethicts cannot change that
There are plenty of people that didn't stop just because someone said they were wrong. Those are the people that went on to build empires. It's what is required to be break new grounds.
Look if you want be the nice guy and live by the approval of family and society (doing what they think is nice) myself and Nietzsche have nothing against it. The world needs all sorts of people. If everyone followed Nietzsche's advice there would be no followers.
The problem is when you take that mind-set and try to universalize it. To make everyone be part of the herd. Than you end up with no one brave enough to break tradition, do something controversial, or lead. If Alexander the great thought the most important thing was family he wouldn't have gone to war with his own father and he probably wouldn't have expanded Greece which in turn would completely change the shape of Western culture. Everyone is saying we need some sort of innovator to help end do this or that. A leader is going to need a different playbook than the average man.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438806103
49159156,49163109,2015-08-05 20:26:59,">>49162897
100% agree.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1438806419
49159156,49164384,2015-08-05 20:58:28,Curious question: is abortion wrong?(assume that the fetus is healthy in this case),,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438808308
49159156,49164536,2015-08-05 21:02:39,">>49164384
No one has the right to use your body against your will, even if it means they will die if they don't. 
Is it wrong? No. Is it selfish? Yes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438808559
49159156,49164679,2015-08-05 21:05:59,">>49159156
>not agnostic general 
How does it feel to be 14?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438808759
49159156,49164856,2015-08-05 21:09:43,">>49164384
Of course other atheists will have very different opinions but here is mine.
I believe things have extrinsic values and nothing has intrinsic value. Something only has value in relationship to other things. Life does not have value, how one lives life has value.
So whether it is wrong to abort a baby depends on the relationship the baby will have with other things. So it will really depend on the situation.
From a practical stand point most abortions are from blacks, if we took that option away our population would be even worst off. It actually seems like the most degenerate people are the ones that abort healthy fetus's. It's a good thing that we do not have degenerate people raising degenerate children and being bad mothers.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438808983
49159156,49164880,2015-08-05 21:10:09,">>49164384
Killing a developing baby is wrong, yes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438809009
49159156,49164968,2015-08-05 21:12:08,">>49164856
>racist 
>thinks abortion is okay 
>atheist, not agnostic 
My bad, you must be 12, not 14",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438809128
49159156,49165066,2015-08-05 21:13:46,">>49159156
fixed it",,Anonymous,true euphoria.png,yRQc8sh2Ln4NAwf5mMpLrA==,US,,1438809226
49159156,49165207,2015-08-05 21:17:06,">>49164968
>recognizing that the majority of blacks are shitty parents is racist
this is fucking tumblr logic
Did you not understand what I meant by extrinsic values? Blacks are not bad because they are black (that's an intrinsic statement) they are bad because of their relationship with their children (among other things)
Please go back to upvoting #blacklivesmatter posts on social media sites.",,OuterLimits,2437365069896.png,Cu8r73CICg6lGqYg18BVnA==,US,,1438809426
49159156,49165325,2015-08-05 21:19:37,">>49165207
Saying any race as a whole is bad for whatever reason is racist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438809577
49159156,49165475,2015-08-05 21:23:05,Why don't we fuck animals? There is no problem in giving horses our seed.,,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438809785
49159156,49165509,2015-08-05 21:23:43,">>49165207
>hurr durr 
>all blacks are bad cause I say so
>nothing is intrinsic, so my word is the only thing I care about 
Fuck off, slimy atheist. Sage this shit thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438809823
49159156,49165677,2015-08-05 21:27:16,">>49159156
>atheism
>not agnosticism",,Anonymous,1386330010775.jpg,edOhVyec0GJg8IMU5qD53w==,US,,1438810036
49159156,49165799,2015-08-05 21:29:48,">>49165325
>Saying any race as a whole is bad for whatever reason is racist
Following that logic we get
>Saying any art proffession as a whole is bad for whatever reason is anti-art
>Saying any breed of dog as a whole is bad for whatever reason is canninist
>Saying any baceteria as a whole is bad for whatever reason is bacterist
Which reveals the stupidity of it. Race is something that is protected by political correctness while dogs, art and bacteria are not. Not being able to put art, dogs, or bacteria into categories of good or bad prevents paralyzes you and forces you to take whatever happens. I can't say that the guys who smear poop on canvas are bad artists, that pit bulls suck, or that e-coli dangerous.
This is exactly the goal of political correctness, to paralyze so you cannot make any motion to oppose the protected caste and continue letting dindus do nuffin.
And people say atheists are Liberal. You are going full tumblr defense force here.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438810188
49159156,49165856,2015-08-05 21:30:52,">>49165799
You're a racist.
Stop denying it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438810252
49159156,49165935,2015-08-05 21:32:25,">>49165799
>don't like pitbulls
>therefore my hate of all dogs is justified
I've actually never seen this level of stupidity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438810345
49159156,49166194,2015-08-05 21:37:52,">>49165475
Whats this ""we"" shit. If you want to go fuck horses go the fuck ahead. Unlike you I'd find it disgusting.
>>49165509
If you believed in intrinsic values you would still only care about your own word. You would just have a different value system. An intrinsic value system has so many fucking problems because it only deals in absolutes. If you believe life has intrinsic value and no value is higher than you can never justify killing 2 men in self defense.
Because the intrinsic value of your 1 life is less than their 2 lives.
Intrinsic value systems are very hard to maintain because there is no room for flexibility. Something's value is fixed and cannot be changed based on circumstance.
>>49165935
It's more like I don't like pitbulls there for I do not like them (within certain conditions, because it's an extrinsic statement). You can't follow a basic sentence.
>>49165856
What does it even mean to be racist anymore?
If it means I 'hate' blacks than no I don't. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with blacks, only extrinsic things wrong with them, which means my opinion will vary from black to black but I notice patterns
If it means thinking blacks are 'equal' than that's just trying to pretend genes do not exist. The gene pool of blacks is different from the gene pool of any other race. Obviously 2 different gene pools will not be equal. Inequality of genes is the only way any evolution could ever have happened.
Literally 5th grade science.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438810672
49159156,49166435,2015-08-05 21:43:04,">>49166194
You're the kind of person that believes blacks are less human than you are, aren't you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438810984
49159156,49166535,2015-08-05 21:45:35,">>49164856
>I believe things have extrinsic values and nothing has intrinsic value.
You are LITERALLY a nihilist. From the definition:
>Moral nihilism (also known as ethical nihilism) is the meta-ethical view that nothing is intrinsically moral or immoral.",,Anonymous,devine-jesus.jpg,6J84CUVLI295uxAKvEcHMw==,US,,1438811135
49159156,49166548,2015-08-05 21:45:56,">>49166194
>>49166435
Probably, he's a cuck and doesn't love horses.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1438811156
49159156,49166580,2015-08-05 21:46:45,">>49166435
I really don't know how to dumb this down anymore. Do you understand the difference between intrinsic and extrinsic? How one is an absolute statement and one depends on many factors which can change?
This is fucking high school stuff.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438811205
49159156,49166694,2015-08-05 21:49:02,">>49159156
That picture is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. 
Don't waste your time with atheism. The community is weak and liberal.",,Anonymous,farrightalliance.png,RDiCzWQ9kzzevMf81kATGA==,HK,,1438811342
49159156,49166743,2015-08-05 21:49:52,">>49166194
>>49166580
>If it means thinking blacks are 'equal' than that's just trying to pretend genes do not exist. The gene pool of blacks is different from the gene pool of any other race.
We are all equally human.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438811392
49159156,49166779,2015-08-05 21:50:30,">>49166535
Nihilism is the belief things have NO VALUE WHAT SO EVER.
Extrinsic value is a type of value.
Do you realize that this is also how fucking science works? Relativity tells us things do no have inherit location they only have speed in relationship to each other. Did Einstein deny that space exists?
I've also noticed that only American Christians seem to fucking struggle with this type of vocabulary.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438811430
49159156,49166854,2015-08-05 21:51:57,">>49166694
This, I've never seen such weak arguments from a kid on the Internet. He doesn't seem to think morals exist, and is now claiming blacks are less than whites because their genes give them more melanin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438811517
49159156,49166982,2015-08-05 21:54:05,">>49166779
>denies the definition of nihilism
>switches to talking about Einstein
This is unbelievable levels of stupid. Please be trolling. Or please buy a gun and shoot yourself in the head.
>Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value.",,Anonymous,viper.jpg,36B82u50ysj50kqB8ZU70A==,US,,1438811645
49159156,49166983,2015-08-05 21:54:06,">>49166743
Well there's a Christian from tumblr here who is denying that there is any genetic difference between humans. That is tumblr tier leftism
>>49166743
>>49166854
How can I not believe in morals if I believe in values? Or do I need to believe in your particular values?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438811646
49159156,49167094,2015-08-05 21:56:11,">>49166854
I didn't even make an argument. I just stated a fact. 
Maybe you meant to respond to some other post.",,Anonymous,1355828628797.jpg,UuhB6Lj6n8F1ln/+ovnq5w==,HK,,1438811771
49159156,49167167,2015-08-05 21:57:37,">>49167094
I was agreeing with you, and talking about the tripfag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438811857
49159156,49167261,2015-08-05 21:59:46,">>49166854
>and is now claiming blacks are less than whites because their genes give them more melanin
Oh, but he's not a racist!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438811986
49159156,49167269,2015-08-05 21:59:56,">>49166982
>>49166982
>Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value.
You are really making me sad. I don't like having to explain grammar. See the OR there and the last word 'value'.
OR value
or no value
I've already fucking said life has value and the value.
I tried to use Einstein to explain what the word extrinsic means but I give up. I'm not going to explain the exact same word to 5 different people over and over.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438811996
49159156,49167334,2015-08-05 22:01:25,">>49167167
Then you should've linked to the tripfag. 
Dummy",,Anonymous,1378005560630.jpg,y0dw1J+V+DbnbVIXwQ2m4Q==,HK,,1438812085
49159156,49167742,2015-08-05 22:10:31,">>49164856
>Life does not have value
>>49167269
>I've already fucking said life has value
Mmmkay buddy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438812631
49159156,49168141,2015-08-05 22:19:27,">>49167742
>Life does not have value, how one lives life has value.
You see the little part you skipped off. About how one's actions give life value.
For me values only exists because of it interacts with the world. A serial killer has low value because of he interacts with people. That's an extrinsic perspective and my belief
An intrinsic perspective is the idea that things just have their value. A serial killer would have the same value as everyone else, that's an intrinsic perspective and not my belief.
Does this clear it up?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438813167
49159156,49168187,2015-08-05 22:20:29,">>49168141
>one's actions give life value
>newborn babies have no value
Atheists everyone",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438813229
49159156,49168348,2015-08-05 22:23:53,">>49168187
baby interact with their mother.
You know this right?
Even when they are in the womb they interact with the mother?
Literally everything in the universe interacts with something in some other way.
>Christians literally believe new born babies do not interact with their mother",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438813433
49159156,49168452,2015-08-05 22:26:20,">>49168348
Every single baby interacts with its mother when in the womb, therefore all humans have SOME intrinsic value, according to what you just said.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438813580
49159156,49168874,2015-08-05 22:35:24,">>49168452
Intrinsic value means the baby has value because it is a baby.
Extrinsic value means it has value because it interacts with something (like it's mother)
I believe all babies have value but it is not intrinsic value, it's extrinsic value. Intrinsic value is a concept that only really matters in theology when dealing with weird metaphysics stuff.
Intrinsic value is basically an idiot system
""Why is stealing bad? Because it is"" This is a thought system for fucking babies and it's what you are promoting
Extrinsic value is a lot more meaningful
""Why is murder bad? Because it causes chaos, destroys trust, and enough of it destroys civilization"" This is how non-idiots think.
Now let me ask you. Do you believe in intrinsic value and that stealing is bad because it's bad. Or do you believe in extrinsic value and think stealing is bad because it fucks up society?
You've been defending intrinsic value all this time.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438814124
49159156,49169556,2015-08-05 22:49:39,">>49168874
So, to you babies start at this sort of neutral value and they can either gain or lose value according to what they do in their lives.
I, on the other hand, believe that all life has intrinsic value.
Life has value because it is life.
I also believe that there are such things as objective morals that come from God which are outlined in the Bible.
So, yes, I believe stealing is inherently bad because God says it is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438814979
49159156,49169792,2015-08-05 22:54:36,">>49168874
>Extrinsic value means it has value because it interacts with something
>>49168348
>Literally everything in the universe interacts with something in some other way.
>>49168874
>I believe all babies have value but it is not intrinsic value, it's extrinsic value.
definition of intrinsic: ""belonging naturally; essential.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438815276
49159156,49169931,2015-08-05 22:57:48,">>49169792
>>49168874
Good point.
If ALL babies have value, then it IS intrinsic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438815468
49159156,49170222,2015-08-05 23:04:45,">>49169931
>>49169792
Ok I'm glad you said this...because this is where you step away from Christianity.
The distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic is HUGE in theology and can mean the difference between theism and atheism.
Have you heard the phrase ""all goodness comes from God?"" This is based on the idea that god is INTRINSICALLY good.
""God is goodness"" this is actually official dogma in a lot of beliefs.
A belief in extrinsic actually takes you away from God. Because now it means in order to say God is good you must judge God for yourself and decide if he is good or bad.
In an intrinsic value system you can't do this. God is good because he is good.
It also undermines God's authority. It's no longer ""It's good because God says it is...because God is intrinsically good"" Everything God says must have an extrinsic reason, we get to judge it.
This is like borderline blasphemy because you are questioning God, not just once but on everything he does.
Also here's the kicker. If God existed 'before anything else' HE CANNOT HAVE EXTRINSIC VALUE because there is nothing for him to interact with! Extrinsic value only works if there is already a universe for him to interact with.
So by accepting extrinsic value you pretty much deny God creates the universe.
Kind of mind blowing isn't it?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438815885
49159156,49170322,2015-08-05 23:07:26,">>49170222
You've completely ignored my pointing out of how self-contradictory you are
>So by accepting extrinsic value you pretty much deny God creates the universe.
>Kind of mind blowing isn't it?
No, it isn't. You're the only one trying to say you have extrinsic values (and failing at it >>49169792)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438816046
49159156,49170528,2015-08-05 23:12:42,">>49164856
Wow, I guess you are right. Things can only have value which we ourselves made by virtue of our interactions with them. 
Personally I would adopt Hitchen's position(I think he does not allow for abortion if I recall one of his debates with Turek(it's some evangelical guy) where it is actually wrong to abort fetuses unless it is,
a)Disordered
b)The life of the mother is in danger and removal is the only way to save her
I'm quite worried about your practical standpoint. I can relate I guess but I've seen similar excuses used to justify the killing of infants in the OT where from a practical standpoint, killing those infants is better given that it ensures salvation and lessen their suffering. Even if I'm not mistaken, WLC and Gotquestions(popular apologetics site) used something like this to justify it. I'm however unconvinced of this.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438816362
49159156,49170592,2015-08-05 23:14:11,">>49170222
Good thing God is intrinsically good.
>because there is nothing for him to interact with
Sure there is.
Himself.
>l2trinity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438816451
49159156,49170693,2015-08-05 23:16:24,">>49170322
There are multiple definitions of the word intrinsic. The word I am using is the ethical one. Here is wikipedia's definition.
Intrinsic value is an ethical and philosophic property. It is the ethical or philosophic value that an object has ""in itself"" or ""for its own sake"", as an intrinsic property. An object with intrinsic value may be regarded as an end or (in Kantian terminology) end-in-itself.[1]
It sounds like it doesn't make a difference which definition you use but once you get into certain discussions it's huge.
Like let's take abortion. You might say 'life has intrinsic value so you should never abort a baby even if it is unhealthy and the family is too poor to take care of itself'
or you could say 'life only has extrinsic value, poor health and a poor family gives the life a poor value. You should abort the baby'
Than there is the metaphysics thing. God cannot be extrinsically good if he created the universe, because nothing can have extensive value if there is nothing to compare it to.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438816584
49159156,49171022,2015-08-05 23:24:03,">>49168874
>Extrinsic value means it has value because it interacts with something
>>49168348
>Literally everything in the universe interacts with something in some other way.
>>49168874
>I believe all babies have value but it is not intrinsic value, it's extrinsic value.
definition of intrinsic value: 
> an object has ""in itself"" or ""for its own sake"", as an intrinsic property
> an intrinsic property
> Literally everything interacts
> therefore their interaction is intrinsic 
> things that interact have value
> therefore value is intrinsic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438817043
49159156,49171236,2015-08-05 23:29:14,">>49171022
It's a very subtle difference but changes your entire world view.
An intrinsic view looks at something singularly.
An extrinsic looks at the interaction.
Imagine a universe where you are the only thing that exists, nothing else not a single atom. You have no value because you cannot interact with something.
Than we add another person to the universe. Now you have value but your value is only decided by how you interact with them.
Add more people and your value changes because you interact with them different!
Keep adding more things till you have the whole universe and than you see it unfold.
An intrinsic view would say you still have the exact same value even if you are the only thing in the universe. If you add in other people your value does not change. You can keep adding things till you remake the universe and your value does not change.
See the difference now?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438817354
49159156,49171491,2015-08-05 23:35:47,">>49171236
All I see you doing is redefining intrinsic value to suit your needs, because you don't want to admit
a) You're a moral nihilist OR
b) You have intrinsic values
Anyway, I'm out of this thread. Enjoy mental dissonance, I'm sure it is comforting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1438817747
49159156,49171716,2015-08-05 23:40:52,">>49171236
This doesn't pose any problems with the Christian god given that,
a)He is pretty much three persons and thus can be considered three people interacting together thus allowing for ""value""
b)Perhaps God is good as in how Christians would see it and created the world and all the angels and shit just so that this ""goodness"" can be shared amongst all and given value given now there are countless entities that can all interact together and with God. 
The Calvinist also have the most convenient way out of this by claiming that God can do anything he pleases and is good because well...he says so and what he decrees as good is good.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1438818052
49159156,49171723,2015-08-05 23:41:03,">>49171491
I am not a nihilist. I have meaning, morals, and values I just get them in a different way than you.
I've already told you I believe that nothing can have value without comparing it to something else. A universe where only I exist means I have no value. I truly believe that.
You are the one trying to change my definitions.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1438818063
49408090,49408090,2015-08-09 23:17:52,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439162272
49408090,49408120,2015-08-09 23:18:32,">>49408090
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/RNtAGDPe
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Response to Free Will Argument
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439162312
49408090,49408552,2015-08-09 23:28:09,"Oglaf just posted this piece of heresy.
Good thing they said ""God"" instead of ""Allah"" or that cartoonist might be in danger.",,Dick Dorkins,leverage1.jpg,mjRz39RKvjQaOUkSLuf7Hw==,US,,1439162889
49408090,49408699,2015-08-09 23:31:07,">>49408552
And with that, you prove why this whole trend is cringey as hell.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439163067
49408090,49408782,2015-08-09 23:33:11,">>49408699
I know, mods should really delete these kinds of threads like they do in r/christianity.
You should go there, it's a terrific place for people like you",,Dick Dorkins,Moj6bvK.jpg,G9cvQsZ1HV1aQ8Q+EArOog==,US,,1439163191
49408090,49408832,2015-08-09 23:34:16,">>49408782
>calls something Cringe
>Le you must be a christian :^))",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439163256
49408090,49408883,2015-08-09 23:35:08,Dude just go to reddit already.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439163308
49408090,49408924,2015-08-09 23:35:51,">>49408782
>Tfw, as usual, atheists assume if you don't agree with their autistic circlejerking, you must be a butthurt Christian.",,Anonymous,facetohand.jpg,/wAiPjLCI8Xu3CCDtmBhkQ==,US,,1439163351
49408090,49408982,2015-08-09 23:37:01,">>49408924
>>49408832
Didn't say he was a christian, I just said he wouldn't find threads like this on r/christianity.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439163421
49408090,49409069,2015-08-09 23:38:37,"Hi, former atheist here. How stupid am I?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439163517
49408090,49409075,2015-08-09 23:38:43,">>>/r/atheism
>atheism, defined as the belief that no god exists
>hurr it's actually a lack of belief",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1439163523
49408090,49409084,2015-08-09 23:38:54,">>49408982
I don't know if it's more ironic that this autistic cancer is familiar enough with reddit that he can recommend one to me, or that an atheist is telling ME to go to reddit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439163534
49408090,49409127,2015-08-09 23:40:03,"http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/
try and debunk any of these.
oh wait, you can't, because it's all proven science, stuff you agree with.",,Anonymous,1433985700660.jpg,ZDyG3gI9A5S2SqmIIvyCBA==,US,,1439163603
49408090,49409248,2015-08-09 23:43:03,">>49408090
Thanks for destroying western society, Kuffars. It'll be much easier to take you over now.",,Anonymous,mamluk.jpg,PNiPccpd9RoW8ceXeQgwOg==,US,,1439163783
49408090,49409346,2015-08-09 23:45:24,">>49409127
These are hilarious, thanks anon",,Dick Dorkins,richard_dawkins_god_religion.jpg,IAP3kUfFE5AG8IHwZx3unQ==,US,,1439163924
49408090,49409495,2015-08-09 23:48:16,">>49409346
so then debunk them. I'm waiting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439164096
49408090,49409584,2015-08-09 23:50:09,">>49409495
I'll debunk that once you've debunked The God Delusion. I'll wait.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439164209
49408090,49409634,2015-08-09 23:51:24,">>49409495
As we speak he's analyzing every one, the furiously typing out a thorough response with his cheeto-covered baby fingers.
>>49409584
>Unironically referencing the God Delusion.
>>>/r/atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439164284
49408090,49409676,2015-08-09 23:52:12,">>49409584
I don't have to. the quran is a miracle in and of itself, if there is any--just ONE--miraculous fact in it, then it proves islam is correct. 
and look at that list. there are many.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439164332
49408090,49409731,2015-08-09 23:53:21,">>49409495
Sure, let's do this one. Apparently the Quran has advanced scientific knowledge about singularities because of this snippet from the book:
>I swear by the locations of stars, it is a great swear if you knew, it is a noble Quran... 
That's hilarious. Also, some theories, such as the theory of loop quantum gravity suggest that singularities may not exist. The idea is that due to quantum gravity effects, there is a minimum distance beyond which the force of gravity no longer continues to increase as the distance between the masses becomes shorter.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439164401
49408090,49409926,2015-08-09 23:57:49,>believing in a god that didn't even bother to tell your ancestors about germs and how they are spread,,Anonymous,1293918247459.jpg,mnAKm+DbwqGglQDORWPr7w==,US,,1439164669
49408090,49410083,2015-08-10 00:01:23,">>49409926
Demons are a metaphor for germs :^)",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439164883
49408090,49411049,2015-08-10 00:20:45,">>49409634
get a load of this mudslime, he could explode at a moments notice. oh fuck.",,Anonymous,1438954915372.jpg,YTZf5O/6MTlvirfePVcGWQ==,US,,1439166045
49408090,49412377,2015-08-10 00:45:00,">>49409584
>the god delusion
You mean God of the Gaps strawman :written down edition.
OK, I don't believe in a God of the Gaps, done, debunked.
At the end of 'Expelled :No Intelligence'
Richard Dawkins explains that he is an atheist to all Gods but not a higher power, he admits that he just might be a deist/an adherent of a higher power.
Atheism is just plain retarded when you take it to the extremes that you guys do.
Atheism poisons everything.
before you answer please consider
>>49408924",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439167500
49408090,49412517,2015-08-10 00:48:12,"It's a pointless discussion that never goes anywhere, and arguing with people online will never cause anyone to really change their minds.
sage and etc etc",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439167692
49408090,49413178,2015-08-10 01:00:06,">>49412377
>Atheism is just plain retarded when you take it to the extremes that you guys do.
What extremes?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439168406
49408090,49415082,2015-08-10 01:37:09,">>49413178
Posting on 4chan is considered extremist if it disagrees with Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439170629
49408090,49416409,2015-08-10 02:04:38,">>49415082
Fucking bigot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439172278
49408090,49417550,2015-08-10 02:31:53,">atheism
Basically another word for ""cuckold"" as far as I'm concerned.",,Anonymous,dawkins-cuck-2.jpg,znYwSSu6is6d7BAj4j0JUg==,AU,,1439173913
49408090,49417660,2015-08-10 02:34:38,">>49417550
>Australia
>posting anything insightful
Pick only one",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439174078
49408090,49417735,2015-08-10 02:36:20,">>49412377
>At the end of 'Expelled :No Intelligence'
Richard Dawkins explains that he is an atheist to all Gods but not a higher power, he admits that he just might be a deist/an adherent of a higher power.
>actually taking Expelled, one of the most openly dishonest 'documentaries' ever made, at its word",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439174180
49408090,49417772,2015-08-10 02:37:25,">>49412517
If that's not your thing, you may as well stop posting on /pol/ altogether.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439174245
49408090,49419957,2015-08-10 03:27:13,">>49417772
This",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439177233
49408090,49419981,2015-08-10 03:28:02,Atheism promotes moral and cultural relativism,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439177282
49408090,49420120,2015-08-10 03:32:35,">>49419981
So does Christianity. The truth is, we have to find out what is good for ourselves. Obviously you already have some idea of what is good, why not just do that regardless of what some holy book says?",,Dick Dorkins,1433805784741.png,Gqrt12j0osMwud4ZfcbB1Q==,US,,1439177555
49408090,49420136,2015-08-10 03:33:16,">>49408090
you forgot the most important link
http://www.fedoraland.com/",,Anonymous,grinning goose.png,8JeeHBlvAUVFCijYbO2n4g==,US,,1439177596
49408090,49422313,2015-08-10 04:37:27,"I wish calm, collected and thoughtful threads would thrive better than troll threads. Better conversation tends to take place.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439181447
49408090,49422648,2015-08-10 04:47:14,">>49422313
nice try stupid faggot
you're just a small penis contrarian bitch with mommy issues
there's a reason no one gives a shit about your stupid thread kid:
it's 
fucking
garbage
lose the trip and fuck off idiot
get saged you limp dick shit stinking faggot turd",,Anonymous,laughing earthworm jim has really let himself go.png,iKJTfMmptoHRa00f31jnnA==,US,,1439182034
49408090,49423944,2015-08-10 05:27:18,">>49422648
>lose the trip and fuck off idiot
Unfortunately I manage a pastebin now, so I keep the name to make it easier for people.
http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439184438
49408090,49424751,2015-08-10 05:57:48,"Has anyone noticed that the theists we get in these threads are a lot stupider than the one's in the Christian general? In general I find Catholics a lot more sensible (probably because they read the bible a lot less)
Also random interesting quote from the skeptic's bible version
Jesus was born in Bethlehem ... in the days of Herod the king.""
The Herod that is referred to here is Herod the Great, as is made clear in verse 22, which refers to Herod's son, Archalaus. Since Herod the Great died in 4 BCE, this dates Jesus's birth to no later than that year. But the gospel of Luke (2:2) says that Cyrenius (Quirinius) was governor of Syria when Mary was pregnant with Jesus. Since Quirinius was appointed governor in 6 CE we know that Jesus was born sometime before 4 BCE and sometime after 6 CE -- which, if true, would indeed make it a miraculous birth.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439186268
49408090,49424870,2015-08-10 06:02:38,">>49417550
>cuck
Hey australia i found a picture of you",,Anonymous,1439074771135.jpg,SnXj4TvmatBVpEuYdFOtpA==,CA,,1439186558
49408090,49424916,2015-08-10 06:04:26,">give honest opinion on theism
>people think you just want to be a ""special snowflake""
>never address views",,Anonymous,1438362679605.jpg,2RT/+atC1efZCzr1qiBacw==,CA,,1439186666
49408090,49424929,2015-08-10 06:04:51,">>49424751
It seems like there are possible 2 actual intelligent theists in the christian general, 3 people pretending to be a lot more intelligent they are, and then the rest are just sheep that start spamming and shitposting as soon as you trigger them",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439186691
49408090,49424965,2015-08-10 06:06:22,"Remember that time nothing exlloded into everything for no reason? That was awesome
Hail Dawkins",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439186782
49408090,49425004,2015-08-10 06:08:02,">>49417550
Kek. This.
Its not a coincidence all the most cuckolded nations are either already atheist, are practically atheist or heading towards atheism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439186882
49408090,49425008,2015-08-10 06:08:07,">>49424965
>no reason
>I dont understand science but im going to pretend i do: The Post",,Anonymous,1415412017508.jpg,uDVlaxgSmITN65KXTxnM8A==,CA,,1439186887
49408090,49425290,2015-08-10 06:18:28,"So I was watching this le-feel-smart-pop-science-edutainment video and was wondering how much stock I should put into the multiverse argument. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyH2D4-tzfM
The argument states that since we are one of an infinite/very large number of other universes, our fine-tuned universe isn't improbable at all and is actually inevitable/very likely. This is a pretty major claim to be making without evidence, imo.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439187508
49408090,49425469,2015-08-10 06:24:42,">>49425004
Reminder that constant fedora / cuck bait posts aren't going to change the fact that there is no god.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439187882
49408090,49425612,2015-08-10 06:30:01,">>49425290
>This is a pretty major claim to be making without evidence, imo.
read David Deutsch ""The Fabric of Reality"", he lays out some of the evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabric_of_Reality",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439188201
49408090,49425710,2015-08-10 06:33:26,">>49424929
Malaysia actually has some good points and has helped me learn a few things although he's really an agnostic and culturally Orthodox
Wolfshiem is pretty good at history and theology (as in if you assume there is a Christian God he can do a good job of patching trying to patch up all the paradoxes). He actually has an understanding of the cultural value of religion which is why I respect him.
Most Christians have an inferiority complex and a herd mentality which is exactly what the religion was engineered to do. ""Oh I am so helpless and meek but with God everything is ok!"". It's way worst in the more pious ones because they are actually aware of all the little laws about how just about anything can be a sin so they are always worried about fucking up. They can't even have an orgasm without worrying about failing to meet their divine father's expectations. There is a persception that atheists are arrogant. I would argue that it's not that atheists are arrogant but that God's herd of sheep had their balls chopped off.
There are very large number of Catholics that are only in it because they think it's like being Dark Souls IRL. Canonically the Jews are God's chosen people and Protestants are not heretics, if you actually tell them this they will ignore it or pretend that what the pope says 'doesn't count'. These ones tend to be the most outspoken Christians.
There is also a large amount that just join the religion so they can be holier than thou and probably never read the bible. When hating queers and jews it's good to have God on your side eh? These are also the type that talk about how you can't have 'meaning' or 'morality' without God.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439188406
49408090,49425731,2015-08-10 06:34:16,">>49425612
I'll do that, thanks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439188456
49408090,49425764,2015-08-10 06:35:24,">>49425004
Studies say the opposite.
With the exception of America Christians tend to be Liberal and want a bunch of immigrants to come in. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/9/vatican-makes-history-pope-allows-islamic-prayers-/",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439188524
49408090,49425772,2015-08-10 06:35:40,">>49425731
his biggest point is link related
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
ofc there are many ways to interpret it and most people don't think that it shows evidence of multiverse theory",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439188540
49408090,49425846,2015-08-10 06:37:50,">>49425772
Ah ok. I've heard of that interpretation of the double slit experiment, but never looked into it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439188670
49408090,49425857,2015-08-10 06:38:14,">>49425710
>Dark Souls IRL.
>mfw literally downloading dark souls right now
NG+ with orstiens armor awwww yisss.
But i agree. Some people seem to take the whole ""holy warrior"" thing a little too seriously. Reminds me of this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-vKgE4RtjY
From the womb, to the tomb
An eternal struggle for the holy truth
We are not the first, nor shall we be the last
We shall be followed by thousands more
Study the scriptures - Intensify the faith
The works of men much greater than you or I
From the cradle to the grave
Thousands of immortal souls just waiting to be saved!
Pilgrim man - What are you searching for?
Believe the tales when everything else fails
Pilgrim man - Deep in your heart you know
Your faith is already bought and sold
All my life I served the cross
Always believing my God was a just one
I maimed for you - I killed for you
But looking back at my life
I just don't know anymore...",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439188694
49408090,49426057,2015-08-10 06:46:07,">>49408090
I choose not to involve myself in a discussion that wastes time and frame of mind for my genus of hominidae. Call me an implicit but at least I'm not Russian. Nigguh. Dead4life.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439189167
49408090,49426098,2015-08-10 06:47:36,">>49424751
>>49424751
Nice obfuscation there. Atheists who try & tear down the bible usually have to do a lot of mental gyms stics as is proven by your post since you don't even quote Luke 2:2. 
If you actually read that verse it was referring to the first census that was taken after Herod's death, when Quirinius was governor, and is not referring to the actual date of Christ's birth 
2/10 for effort.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439189256
49408090,49426559,2015-08-10 07:05:38,">>49426098
I'm sorry but you are wrong.
Mathew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king
Jesus was born when Herod was alive
Luke 2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) 
Luke 2:4 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. 
Jesus was not born when Cyrenius was governer
In order for your bible to make sense at least one of these stories must be a lie.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439190338
49408090,49426647,2015-08-10 07:08:52,">>49425004
True and here's why.
Atheist-liberal people reject what was accepted by all for centuries. All the rules, the rites, the traditions, they want a clean slate, forget everything we've learnt along the way, reject everything that's been around for more than 50 years. So they look at all the other rules and think:
>enforced borders, we don't need that
>gays, why couldn't they marry and adopt children?
>gender, an old construct, scrap that
>coherent ethnic groups, fuck that, let's all mix together!
Basically they want an utopia where you make new rules because fuck tradition, and you don't need to make sure any of it works and keeps you away from catastrophe, if it sounds like a good idea in your head then it's good enough.
Imagine if you gave kindergarteners the task of writing all laws, that's basically what they're doing.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439190532
49408090,49426925,2015-08-10 07:17:36,">>49426647
From our basics bin
----Aren't all atheists liberal AND Why the future atheists will be conservatives or centralist.
A brief history of why atheists were liberal in the past an why it is changing.
In the past atheists were a very,very small minority. The right side of politics was openly in favor of trying to give special privilege to Christianity. Even if you sided with the conservatives on every single economic, legal, and social issue it was still difficult to justify siding with people that want bible-study in school. As time has gone on conservative politics has stopped focusing on religion making us atheists feel more comfortable in them.
 
Another thing to note is that the boom in atheism was in young people. Young people are already very liberal and grow more conservative as they grow up. Even the youtube atheist fags have started to become closer to centralist or conservatives. 
 
The basis for atheism is rationality and skepticism. Far leftism is values personal feelings more than rationality.
 
The Christians will be the liberals. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439191056
49408090,49428564,2015-08-10 08:05:24,"Haro again Atheism General.
What are your thoughts on feminism(think Laci Green or Anita Sarkeesian)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439193924
49408090,49428654,2015-08-10 08:07:58,">>49428564
hows malaysia?",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1439194078
49408090,49428808,2015-08-10 08:12:48,">>49428654
It's paradise if you have enough money to handle the GST and close your eyes to all the shitty politics, heat, shitty education system, missing planes and rain. 
I only been to the UK(I still have to go back since I'm studying there) so how's Czech Republic?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439194368
49408090,49428853,2015-08-10 08:14:25,">>49428808
hot as balls
so are you malaysian?",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1439194465
49408090,49428964,2015-08-10 08:17:21,">>49428853
Yes. 
Pls answer,
>>49428564
Thanks :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439194641
49408090,49429029,2015-08-10 08:19:38,">>49408090
if god dont exist then what create the nothing that created the big bang
checkmate autists",,Anonymous,,,MY,,1439194778
49408090,49429035,2015-08-10 08:19:46,"Ugh, I'm an atheist, and this atheist circle jerking is getting old. People can make their own fucking decisions based on their beliefs and experiences. Let us all just shut the fuck up and move on.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439194786
49408090,49429213,2015-08-10 08:25:12,">>49428964
I've never heard of Luci Green and I am not a gamer so I have never bothered to look into what Anita Sarkeesian's views about anything.
>>49426647
I completely fail to see what border control has to do with not believing in god or what he has to do with Christianity for that matter.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439195112
49408090,49429233,2015-08-10 08:25:55,">>49429035
We should probably add some more to the threads. Honestly if no Christians come in to argue with us these threads do not move. I like atheism but damn we need something to talk about.
>DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
What philosophy have you looked at?
What are you thoughts on Eastern religions: Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439195155
49408090,49429243,2015-08-10 08:26:18,">>49428964
normal :D i am czech
i have never been to malaysia so i wouldnt know how to compare it.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1439195178
49408090,49429269,2015-08-10 08:27:03,">>49429213
Ok. Think modern feminism, the one /pol/ always rant about.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439195223
49408090,49429300,2015-08-10 08:27:58,">>49429035
>>49429233
I sometimes participate in them but I have to admit I am at a bit of a loss what the point is of the atheism general threads are at all.
Surely specific threads with specific issues would be more relevant.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439195278
49408090,49429398,2015-08-10 08:30:43,">>49429233
No, we don't, atheism means a lack of belief. We do not need to have a deep conversation about nothing and why we believe nothing.
Discussing religion, its effect on the human race and its origins is a relevant topic.
Circle jerking around our justifications for not conforming to the norms of society and making ourselves feel more intelligent for being different is not relevant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439195443
49408090,49429573,2015-08-10 08:36:17,">>49429035
A look, a holier-than-thou-atheist! Get him!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439195777
49408090,49429582,2015-08-10 08:36:39,">>49429269
I think to be honest that feminism has already achieved the goals it should have and that women are equal in Western societies. I wouldn't say I would dismiss out of hand any specific issue they might raise but they do seem to talk a load of old shit.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439195799
49408090,49429656,2015-08-10 08:38:59,">>49429269
Feminism is top kek, nothing in it is anything more than comedy.
They are also the biggest misogynist in the western world. They deny what is inherit in women (the feminine ways, motherhood, gender differences etc) and in doing so hate woman as a whole.
>>49429300
It's not really that it's a good idea it's that it's unavoidable. Christianity gets into politics and so atheism ends up in politics. 
These threads started when there were a ton of Christian threads. Like 2-3 Catholic and 2-3 Christian threads a day. Bunch of atheists starting going into the threads and even made their own threads.
Some guy centralized the whole thing and I volunteered to manage our bin. The thing though is the Christian threads have started dying down. There's less of them and they move slower so in turn the atheism threads died down.
>>49429398
Ok, discussion. Abrahamic religions vs Eastern religions. Your thoughts?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439195939
49408090,49429667,2015-08-10 08:39:31,">>49429582
That's my thoughts too :)
I'm curious though. Say I'm a grill and I always act all cutesy and shit. Would the feminazis see me as being brainwashed by the patriarchy? 
>TFW the inevitable death of Aegyo in K-pop will come as America spreads its SJWness and Feminism :(",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439195971
49408090,49429852,2015-08-10 08:44:30,"Atheism has and never fucking will have NO place on this board.
GTFO.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,dIQ2u1v3YLivKFxkhb6HJg==,US,,1439196270
49408090,49429898,2015-08-10 08:45:53,">>49429656
Abrahamic religions have been twisted through the years and promote the following of manipulated texts from 1000 to 4000 years ago. Often mistranslated or manipulated and almost always misunderstood or used to suit ones personal beliefs or goals.
Easter religion is mostly less guilty of this, though it is still used to encourage society to conform to certain ideas. Buddhist texts for an example are often looked at as a guidebook rather than one of absolute truths which must be conformed to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439196353
49408090,49429919,2015-08-10 08:46:29,">>49429898
Eastern*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439196389
49408090,49429922,2015-08-10 08:46:32,">>49429852
Taking morality lessons from Dawkins is better than taking them from a Jew tbh. 
>>49429233
Buddhism is actually really fascinating. The influence of Europeans on it (Historically, not currently) is actually quite interesting as well. 
Falun Gong a shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439196392
49408090,49429944,2015-08-10 08:47:11,">>49429852
What are you talking about lad? /pol/ is an atheist board and always has been.",,Anonymous,bibleman.jpg,6h4xT+Pm4qaItxbgdj8Lkg==,GB,,1439196431
49408090,49429955,2015-08-10 08:47:24,">>49429656
I guess so. I mean they are going overboard with it. I'm all cool with equal rights and shit but it has gone to a point where it is as if women want to be men. 
>>49429233
>What philosophy have you looked at?
So far only the basics of major philosophers such as Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Kierkegaard and I guess Karl Popper. I can tell you about the basics of their theories but I can't go too deep. Most of philosophy I explored are kinda theological in nature. 
Currently getting into Nietzsche as I had promised in one of the previous Christian Generals. I'm quite slow so far though. 
>What are you thoughts on Eastern religions: Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism.
Better than Catholicism and Protestantism. 
Buddhism seems to be about coping with suffering. Taoism and Confucianism seems to be about harmony from what I gathered.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439196444
49408090,49429996,2015-08-10 08:48:46,">>49429898
Taoist priests and practitioners aren't actually obliged to use any single (Or really ANY) of the Taoist canon. They can pick and choose which books they use or just make shit up as they go.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439196526
49408090,49430006,2015-08-10 08:49:08,">>49429944
Sure kid, that's why we have eternal Catholic threads and every Atheist post is mocked. Not to mention every strawpoll so far showing a Christian majority.
Stay edgy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439196548
49408090,49430039,2015-08-10 08:50:05,">>49429667
>Would the feminazis see me as being brainwashed by the patriarchy?
That probably would depend on which ones, they aren't a monolithic entity. 
I wouldn't worry about sexy female pop groups dying out any time soon.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439196605
49408090,49430067,2015-08-10 08:50:58,">>49430039
Let's start with one of the most notorious ones, FEMEN",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439196658
49408090,49430162,2015-08-10 08:53:35,">>49430067
I quite like some of the femen. Whoever told hot chicks getting their tits out for feminism is a true hero of the patriarchy.
>>49430006
Kek.",,Anonymous,1395582235129.jpg,GUpN5cnWtU3pThV1oxD7Ng==,GB,,1439196815
49408090,49430222,2015-08-10 08:55:20,">>49430162
Isn't Soros' voyeur porn producing nephew in charge of Femen or something?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439196920
49408090,49430255,2015-08-10 08:56:12,">>49429922
>morality from Dawkins
This is fucking retarded. Read actual philosophy. 
>>49429898
Eastern one's are philosophy. They lay down a world view that will be applicable in any country in any time period and the follower must interpret the world. Abraham one's deal with absolutes (something is either a sin or it is not) so they need to be constantly retconned every time society changes. It's ideal for a tyrant, once something is established as a sin you are just supposed to obey. 
>>49429922
Buddhism their understanding of suffering is pretty profound, although I completely disagree with their conclusion.
Religion's like Buddhism are actually meaningful because they are centered around real concepts like suffering instead of imaginary ones like sin. Even when Christianity does talk about how one should act in the real world it doesn't really have an understanding of the world. Just 'do this' 'don't do this'. Buddha lays out an entire way of thinking of the world, which is why Buddhism is philosophy while Christianity isn't.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439196972
49408090,49430317,2015-08-10 08:58:20,">>49429233
>What philosophy have you looked at?
studied it and graduated at degree level, specificaly ethics, philosophy of religion and philosophy of cognitive science as well as a general grounding in topics like free will and the history of philosophy
>What are you thoughts on Eastern religions: Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism.
my knowledge of Buddhism is limited to the westernised, popularised stuff surrounding Zen Buddhism. My knowledge of Confucianism is practically zero
I have read and enjoyed both the Tao Te Ching and the Book of Zhuangzhi and enjoyed both enormously. Each also ties into Hinduism particularly in the form of the Upanishads (which I would also recommend)
one book which I would HIGHLY recommend for anyone interested in mystical experience and eastern religion (and entirely devoid of shitty dogma or major supernatural claims) would be The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley. It is basically a comparative study of a number of religions including the Abrahamic ones along with the Eastern ones, and a study of the mystical traditions found in each
go check out Alan Watts if you want an easy introduction to the core ideas behind Zen and other eastern religions, he provides a very accessible route into that kind of thing",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439197100
49408090,49430352,2015-08-10 08:59:38,">>49430255
>This is fucking retarded. Read actual philosophy. 
Exactly, and taking your morality from a Jew is even more retarded than that.
I'm curious as to how you disagree with the Buddha's/Buddhists conclusions. Care to share?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439197178
49408090,49430360,2015-08-10 08:59:49,">>49430222
No idea mate. Allegedly Soros has funded various groups of femen. I've no idea if it is true or not.
It's probably more a cultural meme than an actual international organisation anyway.",,Anonymous,1563084_3_036b_une-militante-de-femen-une-organisation.jpg,UXrfpfOMiMZs8DtqY7spPg==,GB,,1439197189
49408090,49430375,2015-08-10 09:00:14,">>49429955
What have you looked at with Nietzsche? I've been going through Zarathustra again, the books become deeper on the 2nd or 3rd read.
>>49430006
Most of pol has no interest in religion, they are not hard atheists but they don't really think about religion. I remember we had a /pol/ which asked if religion (of any kind) was red pill or blue pill and 75% of people said it was 'blue'.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439197214
49408090,49430489,2015-08-10 09:03:20,">>49430162
Just imagine that one of those feminazis have a 10 year old daughter and forced her to go topless in protest against the so called patriarchy.
Even the Catholic Church that molest boys wouldn't get them to strip naked in public, just behind the altar where no one can see except he and the priest*
*This is meant to be a joke. I know most priests aren't shotacons",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439197400
49408090,49430610,2015-08-10 09:06:41,">>49430489
What would be the point in that? A 10 year old is unlikely to have a decent pair of tits on her.",,Anonymous,femen (1).jpg,4Fs3JCMMRGAYMTG9bes0gQ==,GB,,1439197601
49408090,49430620,2015-08-10 09:07:00,">>49430375
Zarathustra. I'm at the part where the MC's preaching at the marketplace. He basically talks about the Overman in a nutshell it seems. 
Forgive my tortoise pace :( 
>>49430317
Can I go for philosophy of psychology or philosophy of economics with my business and econs undergrad?
>TFW I wanted to take philosophy but my mom doesn't allow :(",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439197620
49408090,49430699,2015-08-10 09:09:32,">>49430620
>Can I go for philosophy of psychology or philosophy of economics with my business and econs undergrad?
depends entirely on your university and your degree, probably be able to do philosophy of econ
where are you studying?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439197772
49408090,49430735,2015-08-10 09:10:22,">>49430610
To rebel against the so called patriarchy by getting them into sexual submission. 
Which reminds me,
I kinda think getting dominated by a grill in bed is hot. Does this make me a feminist?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439197822
49408090,49430912,2015-08-10 09:15:23,">>49430699
University of Brighton. 
All I know is that to get to the grad level I need to get a solid 2:1 or first class. 
At least I know I can get into Behavioral Econs(i'll go there if I can't into philosophy of econs)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439198123
49408090,49430922,2015-08-10 09:15:38,">>49430735
>I kinda think getting dominated by a grill in bed is hot. Does this make me a feminist?
Yes, yes it does.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439198138
49408090,49431055,2015-08-10 09:19:15,">>49430922
b-but that means I'm one of the SJWs!!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,1429749547898.png,mb7n5VL+VXYyhIlpX6+fgQ==,MY,,1439198355
49408090,49431403,2015-08-10 09:28:17,">>49431055
I'm afraid so anon.
You will probably be free bleeding while running a marathon soon.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439198897
49408090,49431456,2015-08-10 09:30:06,">>49430317
thanks ill look at that stuff
>>49430352
Christians are kind of held down by their religion. I have high expectations my atheist brethren =p
The trouble with Buddah's conclusion is he believes suffering should be escaped from, but suffering is necessary for life's greatest triumphs. Nietzsche's alternative is that struggles should be embraced as a challenge. There is a good chapter from Zarathustra 'on war and warlike people' that covers this. It's a very short read too
>>49430620
No problem, Zarathustra should be read slowly. Once you get past the prologue you might want to do a chapter a day, they are very short but each sentence has meaning and should be reflected on.
Prologue is actually one of my favorites. Most of us are the tight-roper walker and we will all suffer his fate.
>>49430735
No feminists hate the idea of a man getting sexual pleasure from a woman.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439199006
49408090,49431704,2015-08-10 09:37:52,"what is the religious horror of the human body, particularly the female body and of sexuality in general
why does it exist? Why is it so common among Abrahamic religions?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439199472
49408090,49431744,2015-08-10 09:38:54,">>49431456
Alright thanks for the recommendation.
 I guess I'll make some written notes about the stuff he written to for it helps me remember.
>No feminists hate the idea of a man getting sexual pleasure from a woman.
Whew. For a moment I thought I had unintentionally became a feminazi.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439199534
49408090,49431855,2015-08-10 09:41:57,">>49409127
>The Koran got a few things right, therefore the entire book is correct
I'm so tired of this logic and it's so annoying to see it being used unironically. One look at the Koran, and you will see that it's filled with ridiculous statements just like any other religious text.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKCJ6RRIFw",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439199717
49408090,49431950,2015-08-10 09:44:34,"if the atheist doctrine is true, why do only 13% of the world support their belief of no creator?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439199874
49408090,49432140,2015-08-10 09:50:05,">>49431950
>if the earth is round why did the majority of people think it was flat?
this is what you sound like. just because a small percentage of the world is atheist, doesn't mean a thing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439200205
49408090,49432949,2015-08-10 10:12:45,">>49431744
so cute <3
>>49431950
>mai herd mentality
>>49431704
In general shitty cultures tend to hate women because they hate life. Women are the source of life and so they hate them. Higher cultures celebrate women.
Like everything else wrong in the world it started with Jews. Old testament jews were crazy desert nomads that went around trying to raid everyone. They were constantly starving to death so naturally they hated everything.
Old testament is crazy on the hatred of women. Can you name any woman in it that is portrayed positivily? They are usually shown as foils or fucking shit up. They don't even celebrate their ability to give birth. Genesis tells us women deserve the pain of child births and it's punishment. They also allowed you to have sex with girls as young as FOUR (forget passage).
The early Christians also lived in putrid conditions. They were in Jewish ghettos, Jews were outcasts. But these new jews the 'christians' were outcasts of outcasts. Early Christian scholars fucking hated women emphasizing that Eve had ruined the world and calling the female the spawn of evil. Although after society got better in the Renaissance they started to drop.
One of the redeeming factors of Catholicism is they actually celebrate women in the form of Mary, although there is still degeneracy in that they refuse to allow to have sex. Sex is how children are made. A virgin mother is something alien to us. This comes from the Catholics irrational hatred of sex (they refuse to accept the idea that Mary might have actually had sex). Calling sex 'sinful' is anti-life.
Muslims also lived in shitty conditions, similar to the early jews that wrote the old testament. I don't really know much about the moon worshippers though.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439201565
49408090,49435032,2015-08-10 11:05:19,">>49432949
>>49432949
Deborah, Ester, Ruth, Judith Can't think of other women the OT Jews would portray positively.
>Genesis tells us women deserve the pain of child births and it's punishment
Depends how you read it. A literalist have no choice but to concede this. The usual allegorical approach would take the pain as a consequence of the Fall which screwed everything up. 
In Early Christianity women are treated quite highly being deaconesses and martyrs for the Church. Mary is also held in high regard even before Catholicism came up with the Immaculate Conception. 
Sex is however quite demonized though allowed between married couples. In Catholicism sex seems to be for reproduction. The use of artificial contraceptives are banned(to be fair the moral reasons behind this is quite appreciable though the move is still not the smartest to say). 
The type of sex that Christianity typically demonizes are those outside marriage. In a way though it could be said that in Christianity, sex is actually highly prized that it is only to be shared with one's spouse, the person that is truly loved and treated as one's own flesh. 
Yet in other ways, sex is as you described, demonized, suppressed. Kinda reminded me of the crap workshop I attended during my college's orientation.
Also, l-love you (๑・ω-)~”",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439204719
49408090,49435377,2015-08-10 11:13:49,">>49435032
>The usual allegorical approach would take the pain as a consequence of the Fall which screwed everything up. 
I never understood this. why be punished for something one of your ancient ancestors did? why must the actions of 2 people affect trillions of innocents for eons to come?
the christian clearly isn't a god of mercy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439205229
49408090,49435942,2015-08-10 11:28:03,">>49435377
Yes this is a valid question and a problem to those who assumed Augustine's version of the Fall.
Some views of the Fall such as the Orthodox view wouldn't see the guilt of the original sin as being transferred to future descendents of Adam but rather that the Fall isn't just some act of eating an apple, rather one that have cosmic consequences that upsets the order and harmony of nature and the cosmos. Humanity retains the Imago Dei of both pre-fall Adam and Eve but that is distorted and stained. The human being thus is doomed to death with the only cure being the Incarnation and Atonement of Jesus and humanity's willingness and cooperation to be cured.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439206083
49408090,49438308,2015-08-10 12:24:41,">>49435377
>>49435942
Read sub chapter 48&49 of Nietzsche's anti-christ. They are very short only about 2-3 paragraphs each.
http://www.egs.edu/library/friedrich-nietzsche/articles/the-antichrist/the-antichrist/48/
The genesis story has the psychology of the priest that writes it. The fruit represents science. The priest by extension their God fear science. Science makes man divine, it makes them God's rival, and eventually all the superstition fades away leading to the death of God.
This relates back to the babel story in which man is once again angering God (the priesthood) by being independent on using his science.
The concept of guilt is necessary to control the population. The whole purpose of sin is to be forgiven and it is the priest's power to forgive (either directly by selling some trinket that forgives sin or indirectly by providing a link between God and the sinner). Without sin the Church would vanish over night, it would have no power or purpose. Sin and it's inferiority complex keeps one constantly thinking they are beneath God (the priesthood).
Christians betray that this is really believe, what is the first attack against atheism ""you are arrogant"" ""you think you are above sin""",,OuterLimits,flOmmFV.jpg,OOrOS/MpHy4c2Lg5l2tvQA==,US,,1439209481
49408090,49439845,2015-08-10 13:01:54,">>49438308
>The old God invents war; he separates the peoples; he makes men destroy one another (—the priests have always had need of war....). War—among other things, a great disturber of science!—Incredible! Knowledge, deliverance from the priests, prospers in spite of war.
Ironically, many of our modern scientific developments stem from war itself. How then could war be the enemy of science? Science can flourish under any condition. It is simply a matter of how it is to be used. 
Overall Nietzsche's interpretation of the Fall is interesting. God is so bored to death presumably because there's nothing that he created everything. When he made man, it was enjoyable but man got bored so he made animals but man is still bored and he made woman and the boredom is lifted. But woman is evil. She is the serpent. God is foolish to made her. He made a mistake.[It's like he is so bored that mistakes become entertaining to him]. Thus the Fall occurred and God expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden in fear. Adam and Eve through the fruit that is science became godlike.[The irony is that the EO and OO's conception of Salvation and purpose of human life is precisely this]. 
Thus the moral of the story is: Science bad. Those who do science shalt incur punishment. God also divided the people to ensure they would not become godlike.
It is creative but here's the problem,
a)Fuck the whole creation narrative was intended to glorify the god of Israel over the other Pagan deities. God became creator of all rather than be a star. 
b)Every Christian would concede that God would've given Adam and Eve the apple anyways, they just weren't ready for it(According to Irenaeus) given their immaturity 
c)Given what Irenaeus would've said, it makes sense that God explicitly instructed Adam and Eve not to tamper with the fruit for it would lead to disharmony given how they in their immaturity cannot take it yet.
(1)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439211714
49408090,49440258,2015-08-10 13:12:18,">>49438308
Cont.
d)Under a certain framework, the whole story of the Fall really just becomes a way to explain why the fuck human beings have to live in hardship. This can also be a lesson as to why one should not distort order and instead strive to be in harmony with the will of God. Confucianist thought also stresses importance in following the T'ian. Call it nature, God or whatever but there are parallels here that can be made.
The problem is that Nietzsche is approaching this in terms of a power struggle where the priesthood(ruling class) suppresses and controls the masses. He assumes that the priesthood is trying to meticulously control everyone like some Illuminati bullshit. But this is not the case particularly when the Creation Narrative is understood or how we approach the text from more traditional frameworks. Now maybe Nietzsche's right and that subconsciously, the authors have a fear of the masses rebelling against the ruling class and it is projected upon the story unknowingly by the authors allowing Nietzsche to arrive at his grand interpretation. Even then, the priesthood isn't fearful of science. They are fearful that should chaos break out through an uprising the civilization would fall. Have you thought of this? Perhaps the fears of the priesthood may be not grounded in oppressing the people but protecting them? Either way, we can't know given that the authors of the OT are quite unknown. We don't have background or any history about them, living us with little room to judge their psychological states.
Non related but,
Fuck!! The whole /pol/drawthread's turning to shit!!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439212338
49408090,49440417,2015-08-10 13:15:51,">>49439845
Come on =/ you should know what he means ""the old god invents war""
How does God destroy the tower of babel? He makes the people speak different languages and divides them into warring camps.
a) The God of Israel is not what genesis is about. It's borrowed from other creation myths. Nietzsche's writing assumes you already know this and he makes references to it.
b&c) What you are talking about is an interpretation that did not exist when the story is written. Nietzsche is looking at it chronologically. And I have actually never heard this interpretation mentioned once.
In my opinion Nietzsche has the most sensible answer. What predictive power does the Ireanus version have? Nietzsche's version practically prophecies the coming of people like Richard Dawkins. Science has declared war on God and we see exactly why the old God feared science.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439212551
49408090,49440982,2015-08-10 13:27:52,">>49440258
Nietzsche's entire framework is based around the concept of power. Power isn't 'evil' though, the priesthood's crime is not power itself but Christianity and Judaism which are the enemies of the Overman.
As for if the priesthood is really interested in power? Do I need to really remind you of the entire history of the Catholic Church? About the degree of power it tried to maintain for over a thousand years? Does that not show that the priesthood is indeed interested in power (according to Nietzsche all things are, they just are attracted to different forms of power).
The original priesthood would have known they were making things up, a bit of skepticism destroys them. You can't really have the people questioning the validity of the spirits. You can come up with any interpretation of genesis you want but if the public think there is no God it really doesn't matter what you do with the holy text. A bit of science, bit of disenchantment and the entire priesthood is endangered.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439213272
49408090,49441249,2015-08-10 13:32:50,">>49440417
>a) The God of Israel is not what genesis is about. It's borrowed from other creation myths. Nietzsche's writing assumes you already know this and he makes references to it.
Ermm...yes. But it is an act of mocking them to show and glorify the god of Israel over the other gods. Thus whether Nietzsche assumes I know it or not it quite redundant. 
>What you are talking about is an interpretation that did not exist when the story is written.
Well, maybe. But the question then is what about Nietzsche's? Mine is to be found in the infancy of Christianity. What about his?
 >In my opinion Nietzsche has the most sensible answer. What predictive power does the Ireanus version have? Nietzsche's version practically prophecies the coming of people like Richard Dawkins. Science has declared war on God and we see exactly why the old God feared science.
Well if he decides to relate it to the priesthood of his day and isn't really trying to play Freud I'll grant that. Irenaeus himself isn't dealing with science or opponents who are threatening Christian theology with science. He is dealing with Gnostics who have their own set of odd beliefs which would be contrary to science itself. Given that the theological arena isn't scientific it is foolish to assume that Irenaeus would try to give his argument predictive power. 
Nietzsche predicted the rise of Dawkins and irreligion. So did Max Weber and he didn't play psychoanalysis with the Bible. 
Having said that, science has indeed declared war on God. The war had begun with the Reformation. The world became disenchanted of its magic. It is static, mechanical and dead, only to be yet another machine with us as such as well. Through this framework, the more science uncovers, the further God goes away until science must be at war with him, to kill him so that he will not get in the way! This god still lives but he is already starting to wane from the wounds science inflicted upon him.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439213570
49408090,49441694,2015-08-10 13:41:08,">>49440982
 >Power isn't 'evil' though, the priesthood's crime is not power itself but Christianity and Judaism which are the enemies of the Overman.
Yes you are right and I can somewhat agree. But rather it is those strains that choose to limit and constrain humanity rather than to discipline and allow it to gain self mastery. Not all forms of Judaism and Christianity does this. 
>Does that not show that the priesthood is indeed interested in power (according to Nietzsche all things are, they just are attracted to different forms of power).
Yes you are right. Not even Orthodoxy is free from this as we seen with the Russian Orthodox Church. However, this does not necessarily have to be the case. Not everyone in the priesthood which consists of different individuals would support such pursuits. The Catholic Church indeed hungered for power over kings but then what about the original priesthood who wrote the Genesis account? Their civilization is different from that of the Catholic Church. 
>The original priesthood would have known they were making things up, a bit of skepticism destroys them.
Maybe but we know almost nothing about the authors of the OT books to even know their personality. We only have the traditions of interpretation of Judaism and Christianity alongside cultural context to work from. 
Unless we get more background on the authors, it is unwise to play Freud with them.
 
>You can come up with any interpretation of genesis you want but if the public think there is no God it really doesn't matter what you do with the holy text.
Yes correct. The problem is that this is not what the public as a whole would think. People have differing viewpoints even amongst those who believe in God himself. 
 >A bit of science, bit of disenchantment and the entire priesthood is endangered.
Again correct but this is due to how one's frame of mind works. Differing frame of minds may allow enchantment to be preserved and even let science reveal it",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439214068
49408090,49442071,2015-08-10 13:49:05,"Why do people give a fuck if there is or isn't a god? 
Assuming that there is/isn't, who cares, nothing has or will change in our lifetimes of knowing this. just live your life and shut the fuck up",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439214545
49408090,49442167,2015-08-10 13:51:07,">>49442071
>Why do people give a fuck if there is or isn't a god? 
The sheer existence has widespread implications on our concepts of purpose, meaning, and value.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1439214667
49408090,49442279,2015-08-10 13:52:55,">>49441249
His interpretation is in the infancy of Judaism.
If it is true the Torah's text were faithfully copied and turned into the Old testament his would probably be more relevant for figuring out 'how it began'
It's true his passage only works within a certain time frame. He goes all over the place with his writing. The past, his present, theologians, Jesus, church history, and most importantly it's value system. Nothing is sparred.
I haven't looked much at Orthodoxy but I know on the Catholic and Protestant side there is no God, there's only a memory of him. There was a thread today where someone basically said that the Genesis story is proof that God is an enemy. That's a pretty typical idea, they don't have the sophistication, historical context, or depth as Nietzsche's version but the crude idea is still there. The idea that 'staying in Eden would have been a mistake' is also pretty common.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439214775
49408090,49443192,2015-08-10 14:11:35,">>49442279
>His interpretation is in the infancy of Judaism.
Cultural context crushes his interpretation.
Even then no actual Biblical scholar would agree with Nietzsche because they do not play psychoanalysis or try to construct some placeholder for an unknown group of authors.
>It's true his passage only works within a certain time frame. He goes all over the place with his writing. The past, his present, theologians, Jesus, church history, and most importantly it's value system. Nothing is sparred.
Does he know who Ignatius of Antioch is? Clement of Rome? Justin Martyr? Surely he should know some of these Ante Nicene Fathers and the stuff they wrote. If not, he is basically making speculations.
>I haven't looked much at Orthodoxy but I know on the Catholic and Protestant side there is no God, there's only a memory of him.
Yes you are right. Orthodoxy seemed to weather the storm well but for how long can it hold? 
>There was a thread today where someone basically said that the Genesis story is proof that God is an enemy. That's a pretty typical idea, they don't have the sophistication, historical context, or depth as Nietzsche's version but the crude idea is still there.
Oh yes that idea is there. It's called Gnosticism and they hate even more than the Christians,
a)Sex
b)Authority 
c)Pleasure
d)Physical things
>The idea that 'staying in Eden would have been a mistake' is also pretty common.
That sounds like bs to me. Shit like this would make Luther cry in his grave. The first words he will say should he see the shit of Protestantism today would be ""Sola Scriptura was a mistake"".
Anyways, I gotta go sleep now
Goodnight my sweet princess :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,1430590373994.jpg,NFBcs3+CCicFaOqKYXwouQ==,MY,,1439215895
49408090,49444245,2015-08-10 14:32:03,"so what do other atheists think about religions such as jainism? Personally, I think that it inspires people to become better people",,Anonymous,jainism.jpg,jC0BuLCkPxzoo15UlQ6/LA==,US,,1439217123
49408090,49444261,2015-08-10 14:32:30,">>49443192
>That sounds like bs to me. Shit like this would make Luther cry in his grave. The first words he will say should he see the shit of Protestantism today would be ""Sola Scriptura was a mistake"".
I have a theory on why Sola scriptura was inevitable
>>49443272
It's not Luther, it's Nietzsche and a host of other thinkers like him. People are just taking the ideas those thinkers wrote and making them their own. Once you study a philosopher for long enough you realize they didn't actually die, you see them pop up everywhere in some shape or another.
But really. How would staying in Eden be good? Most likely God would have gotten bored (again) and ignored humans. I love modern society and because of that I love the cause of our society. If that cause I love was the serpent, than serpent is a bro. If God himself was an obstacle to the modern society than he is an enemy. Eventually you just get a certain way of thinking where no part of you is compatible with Christianity, that's what happened to me and it's going to be the future.
There's also some people that unironically think heaven would be a terrible place to be, that they would rather stay dead or end up in hell. I consider myself one of those. The idea of heaven actually makes me sad, no conflict, everything is already known, no chance, and you can't even kill yourself. I'd probably sit in a corner and cry if I had to go to that horrible place.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439217150
49467485,49467485,2015-08-10 21:38:16,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439242696
49467485,49467573,2015-08-10 21:39:24,">>49467485
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/RNtAGDPe
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Response to Free Will Argument
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439242764
49467485,49467739,2015-08-10 21:41:48,"Actually, I'm pretty sure the term ""agnosticism"" was coined by Thomas Huxley, and he considered it to be distinct from atheism, which generally assumed active belief that there is no God. I get the feeling that a lot of internet atheists just started re-defining the terms so that they could claim agnostics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439242908
49467485,49467778,2015-08-10 21:42:26,"youre doing gods work teaching about the agnostic thing. ive been saying this for so long it's ridiculous, but people continue to not understand.",,Anonymous,aoi.png,PmhSnEW3N78CEUVObg2aug==,US,,1439242946
49467485,49467800,2015-08-10 21:42:44,God is real,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439242964
49467485,49467962,2015-08-10 21:44:56,">>49467485
Get these godless heathens out of here.
>>>/r/eddit",,Anonymous,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1439243096
49467485,49468020,2015-08-10 21:45:49,OP is a cuck.,,Anonymous,image.jpg,znYwSSu6is6d7BAj4j0JUg==,AU,,1439243149
49467485,49468070,2015-08-10 21:46:40,">>49467739
Or Christians try to foist 100% certainty onto atheists because it's indefensible
Like saying all Christians are necessarily creationists, or they aren't real Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439243200
49467485,49468134,2015-08-10 21:47:50,">>49467739
>Actually, I'm pretty sure the term ""agnosticism"" was coined by Thomas Huxley, and he considered it to be distinct from atheism, which generally assumed active belief that there is no God
And he would be wrong.
> I get the feeling that a lot of internet atheists just started re-defining the terms so that they could claim agnostics.
Actually, it's moreso the case that self-proclaimed Agnostics ran away with the word because they're afraid to own their Atheism; so, they sought to soften the blow by changing Agnosticism to be a middle-man. Their intellectual-cowardice has them fearful of the baggage Atheism entails, so they hide behind the veil they've spun.
To pretend it's [Agnosticism] is mutually-exclusive is to play into this charade -- much like imbeciles who've coined ""Apatheism"" as another catch-all for cowardly-Atheists too frightened to own up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439243270
49467485,49468792,2015-08-10 21:57:51,">>49467778
Yeah, I don't understand why some people want to redefine every word in the dictionary to fit their needs. Reminds me of the trans-gender movement",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439243871
49467485,49469356,2015-08-10 22:06:56,">>49467800
As real as Zeus and all the other gods you apply skepticism to.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439244416
49467485,49469553,2015-08-10 22:10:27,">>49467485
Oh it's this time of the day again isn't it.",,Anonymous,GTFOREDDCOAT.jpg,9cobHGsg0emem0O9sZki9w==,US,,1439244627
49467485,49469880,2015-08-10 22:16:02,">>49469553
Hello there, sorry you had to see this thread. 4chan moderators refuse to delete them! Luckily, there is a safe-place just for you called r/christianity. Guaranteed no atheism threads, or other threads that might upset your feelings.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439244962
49467485,49469945,2015-08-10 22:17:08,>>49469880,,Anonymous,1365395705841.jpg,rsOUbCsjJw4CzxQPzkkL3w==,US,,1439245028
49467485,49470019,2015-08-10 22:18:29,">>49469880
I saw you recommending that to people yesterday. You've got quite the vendetta. Did they buttblast you hard or what?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439245109
49467485,49470118,2015-08-10 22:20:18,">>49470019
I just don't understand people that come on 4chan and are so shocked by ideas there that they demand they are quarantined to other websites. These are people looking for a safe-place. I'm just directing them to one.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439245218
49467485,49470315,2015-08-10 22:23:50,">>49470118
>Hey, layman of 4chan. Too scared by my cancer? Then go to its very source.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439245430
49467485,49470837,2015-08-10 22:33:50,">>49470118
No we just don't like ""general"" threads that serve no purpose but for a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals to circlejerk each other while staying on the front page 24/7 as is the inherent nature of ""generals"".
There's a reason why /vg/ is its own board. Fuck off back to Reddit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439246030
49467485,49470984,2015-08-10 22:36:43,">>49470118
>so shocked by ideas there
Whereabouts are you posting this again?",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1439246203
49467485,49471237,2015-08-10 22:41:16,Daily reminder,,Dick Dorkins,1433205572922.jpg,D6cjQvkmrOaid5ju488isQ==,US,,1439246476
49467485,49471326,2015-08-10 22:42:53,">>49467485
>unsure and ignorant slave race",,Anonymous,,,JP,,1439246573
49467485,49471644,2015-08-10 22:48:00,">>49471237
>Guis check out my cool le maymay I found. God's not real!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439246880
49467485,49471737,2015-08-10 22:49:44,">>49471644
Oh hey, you're still here. Did you want to discuss anything in particular?",,Dick Dorkins,RichardDawkins_1895745c.jpg,hV9aSHIfeEJx3IZxrRMrdQ==,US,,1439246984
49467485,49471899,2015-08-10 22:52:51,">>49471737
Not really, I just enjoy heckling you every time you're on the front page. At least when outer limits does this some actual discussion happens. You're just sad.",,Anonymous,eufu444.png,SMEPOa7o8jSDfwLK9CLN+g==,US,,1439247171
49467485,49472097,2015-08-10 22:56:38,">>49471899
If I wanted a bunch of discussion I'd make a thread like this:
""
>Atheism
>Morals
Choose one
""
And I'd post a picture of the Childlike Empress to go with it.
But I'd rather not troll my way into a discussion. I want people with genuine curiosity to come here, ask questions, and engage in thoughtful discussion.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439247398
49467485,49472263,2015-08-10 22:59:45,">>49472097
Then you've got the wrong demographic at the wrong time at the wrong website with the wrong way bud. Anyways I'm out for the night, have fun yelling at nothing for a while.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439247585
49467485,49472928,2015-08-10 23:11:09,">>49472097
Thanks for trying something besides the usual shit fest",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439248269
49467485,49473629,2015-08-10 23:24:21,Daily good reminder,,Dick Dorkins,better_news.jpg,49SnAvdl4aswLZ1oSQ2tAg==,US,,1439249061
49467485,49474049,2015-08-10 23:32:58,"I love how you're trying to make people more informed about atheism without being all fedora about it. It's just... I don't know what to do or say. Atheism doesn't leave you much to discuss. Even if you go to the sub on leddit most of the posts deal with science or gay rights, not directly atheism as much. 
Besides, isn't the best part of being an atheist never having to talk about or think about religion and atheism too? 
Also, I like how you put the agnostic thing. Keep it up, OP. I like the thread.",,Anonymous,science_large_large_grande.jpg,/FCfwdBFazpX4tgKOPV0Qw==,US,,1439249578
49467485,49474216,2015-08-10 23:35:47,"I live like an atheist because I'm an apathetist. Do you have a problem with that? I wouldn't mind marrying a Muslim girl or Christians girl. I love folk music ad world music which includes a lot of religious songs/pieces.
I honestly don't know. It/they can be evil or have arbitrary rules that not even today's most pious are following or are aware of.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439249747
49467485,49474606,2015-08-10 23:43:45,">>49474049
It's nice to discuss things with people that disagree with you, you both learn a lot about each other's thoughts from it. I've learned interesting things from plenty of people here that have all sorts of backgrounds. 
Ideally, yeah, I would never have to think about it. But imagine if you were one of 10% of people that don't believe in Santa... Sure you could ignore it, or you could go out and try to make a little difference.
>>49474216
Sorry, you're going to atheism hell. 
Nah, I would have married my wife even if she hadn't lost her religion. I'm not sure it is really us that have the problem with it, it is usually the religious folk that take issues with an atheist marrying them.
I'm not saying Christians are evil, or that everything they touch is evil. I'm just here to learn, discuss, and maybe teach a little. Creationism isn't even necessarily evil, but I just have an urge to ask people about their beliefs on certain things like that. I guess I just want everybody to be informed.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439250225
49467485,49475819,2015-08-11 00:05:49,bumping with OC,,Dick Dorkins,quin2.jpg,JQ/q3wl/psl0eRBs+7xBGw==,US,,1439251549
49467485,49476975,2015-08-11 00:28:04,Bumping with stuff that isn't my OC,,Dick Dorkins,1433205641684.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1439252884
49467485,49477177,2015-08-11 00:32:22,">athiest
>Not Nihilist.
So what's your problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzfDIewPFb0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439253142
49467485,49477402,2015-08-11 00:37:04,">>49477177
I'm not a nihilist. It doesn't make sense to me. I wrote these thoughts about my views on values and morals http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439253424
49467485,49477546,2015-08-11 00:39:34,">>49475819
I read that whole thing and... 1) it pressupposes time is linear, which it isn't, and 2) This by no stretch of the imagination amounts to an argument for the Bible being factually accurate at all, and for that matter, doesn't prove that there is a God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439253574
49467485,49477654,2015-08-11 00:41:39,">>49468792
It's called loading the language and it's a common tactic that cults (and unsurprisingly, political ideologies) love to do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439253699
49467485,49477668,2015-08-11 00:41:52,">>49477546
>it pressupposes time is linear, which it isn't",,Anonymous,explained.jpg,C+p937MEomK4kL5UkAZlHQ==,CA,,1439253712
49467485,49477867,2015-08-11 00:44:31,">>49477546
>1) it pressupposes time is linear
Actually, it tries as hard as possible to not mention time at all. Time is something that is real. And the premises fall apart when you try to translate them to the real world.
>2) This by no stretch of the imagination amounts to an argument for the Bible being factually accurate at all, and for that matter, doesn't prove that there is a God
It tries to argue that God's existence is necessary a priori. Of course, this god-concept they come up with is quite flimsy and vague, and of course has nothing to do with the God anyone worships in any religion. This is actually point 4 of my 7 points http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439253871
49467485,49478019,2015-08-11 00:46:44,">>49475819
the text is hurting my fucking eyes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439254004
49467485,49478233,2015-08-11 00:50:09,">>49473629
the complete lack of condemnation is not good news.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439254209
49467485,49478362,2015-08-11 00:52:36,">>49478233
Well, at least we have cops, prisons, judges, etc.",,Dick Dorkins,article-2727560-2093685D00000578-859_306x423.jpg,olutZBdixIdlmj5i2HoNag==,US,,1439254356
49467485,49479162,2015-08-11 01:03:21,">>49474606
Then you're dishonest.
Thanks for playing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439255001
49467485,49479344,2015-08-11 01:06:02,">>49479162
>offers no criticism to anything I wrote in the pastebin
That's disappointing.",,Dick Dorkins,RichardDawkins_1664696c.jpg,BJN73s5oLTyKou1RObbzEw==,US,,1439255162
49467485,49480358,2015-08-11 01:23:44,"I recently read the Gospel of Atheist, according to Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion. It forced me a new perspective on the universe and lead to a path I never thought I would tread on.
When do I get my complementary fedora?",,Anonymous,tumblr_n4vb2nEst61taxx0wo1_400.png,2/QBPCXoBnVpOivLrkkvUQ==,US,,1439256224
49467485,49481006,2015-08-11 01:36:02,">>49480358
*complimentary :^)",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439256962
49467485,49481575,2015-08-11 01:47:26,">>49481006
>mfw there is a difference
complimentary
given free as a gift or courtesy:
complementary
mutually supplying each other's lack
You atheists keep turning my world upside down.",,Anonymous,black science man.jpg,yMcgmRVfXo+X7lGRc/xJPQ==,US,,1439257646
49467485,49481809,2015-08-11 01:52:34,">>49481575
The world's a crazy place. Ever watched paint dry? I bet you don't even know if it dries from top to bottom, or bottom to top.",,Dick Dorkins,i-821dbc0322b1de4b20fb188bc572d5c8-dawkins.jpg,03V0K7CI7Ud2Q/3uLmoh7w==,US,,1439257954
49467485,49482256,2015-08-11 02:03:34,">>49480358
>fedora
Who says that anymore?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439258614
49467485,49482276,2015-08-11 02:04:20,"Mandatory post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUq_dQeTUc4",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439258660
49467485,49482409,2015-08-11 02:08:18,">>49482276
I thought it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw
Actually made by creationist btw",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439258898
49467485,49482531,2015-08-11 02:11:43,Ask an ex-athiest who is becoming a Catholic monk anything.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439259103
49467485,49482638,2015-08-11 02:14:52,">>49482531
Sure, my question: Who is stupid enough to think someone is posting on /pol/ from a monastery?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439259292
49467485,49482643,2015-08-11 02:15:03,">>49482531
If the Demiurge admits he is behind all good AND evil in the world, then how is he omnibenevolent?
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439259303
49467485,49482863,2015-08-11 02:22:29,">>49482531
What made you change your mind?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439259749
49467485,49483781,2015-08-11 02:54:08,"Good night, fellas.
I'll leave you with the first part of some cool videos about Big Bang to now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1fs6vp9Ok",,Dick Dorkins,large_RD_20Religion_203_20x640.jpg,OhPfZR7KZzcse+yK/zZp9A==,US,,1439261648
49467485,49483846,2015-08-11 02:56:13,">>49482531
Fellow ex-atheist reporting. Godspeed brother! Don't let these dims get to you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439261773
49535947,49535947,2015-08-11 23:02:55,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,dawkins_general.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439334175
49535947,49535964,2015-08-11 23:03:21,">>49535947
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/RNtAGDPe
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Response to Free Will Argument
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_01_1.jpg,Q2LfE8qGmN2O2ktZ52BbEw==,US,,1439334201
49535947,49536072,2015-08-11 23:05:09,">update
Religion casually came up in conversation today at work during lunch. Found out all my co-workers are also atheists. Cool beans.",,Dick Dorkins,0701-dawkins-laughing_9438.jpg,xiZ9icNvsYDk8RIbRynmHg==,US,,1439334309
49535947,49536261,2015-08-11 23:08:16,">>49536072
Interesting, wondering about mine now",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439334496
49535947,49536440,2015-08-11 23:12:16,">>49535947
Thanks for posting the agnosticism thing",,Anonymous,1315765869311.jpg,NhJQz8dN9/wYgoVuPRpWCg==,US,,1439334736
49535947,49536566,2015-08-11 23:14:55,Nice meme thread,,Anonymous,1436744084241.png,Sn+8rDXpEbUsoUhn7d84yA==,AU,,1439334895
49535947,49536623,2015-08-11 23:16:01,>>49536566,,Anonymous,1436741421731.png,+hAADl0MyV2AmY8sEn4mMw==,AU,,1439334961
49535947,49536639,2015-08-11 23:16:17,>>49536623,,Anonymous,1436743016623.png,QLefh9MZN/TicVTx2WKKPQ==,AU,,1439334977
49535947,49536747,2015-08-11 23:18:52,">>49536623
Dick ""down her throat"" Dawkins",,Dick Dorkins,63352.jpg,c1l5pgeg6D6hZrLDZBSOHg==,US,,1439335132
49535947,49536797,2015-08-11 23:20:01,"Most of my co-workers have been atheists or Christian-lights (as in they might as well be agnostics).
I notice the hardcore Christians tend to be older folk, it's a dying institution. Young hardcore Christians are a dying breed. 
The atheist/christian threads are a lot slower, they will continue to be that way through the election cycle, so we will have to chat amongst ourselves rather than arguing with Christians",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439335201
49535947,49536850,2015-08-11 23:21:04,Do you think he ever thinks that memes were a mistake?,,Anonymous,meme.png,MTBV4YtZ12O3UdB8ZrL/LQ==,US,,1439335264
49535947,49537117,2015-08-11 23:26:19,">>49536797
>Christian-lights (as in they might as well be agnostics).
They probably were agnostic. Whether they were Christian or atheist.
>I notice the hardcore Christians tend to be older folk, it's a dying institution. 
Same shit for Buddhism in Asia apparently (according to Asian co-workers)
>The atheist/christian threads are a lot slower
I noticed this too. A perfect opportunity to have slow, relax discussion where fully formed thoughts are made and written",,Dick Dorkins,RichardDawkins_1895745c.jpg,hV9aSHIfeEJx3IZxrRMrdQ==,US,,1439335579
49535947,49537665,2015-08-11 23:37:38,">>49537117
Religion is simply not useful in the first world anymore. Religion as a method of control (for better or worst) requires people be superstitious which doesn't happen anymore. There are many people screaming about how 'my religion says xyz' but very few people that want to be sheep and say 'well I guess I'll do xyz since you told me that's what God wants'.
Major contributions are thing like existentialism which emphasizes the individual controlling their own destiny, a democratic societies extreme distrust of absolute authority (and by extension a God), and growing scientific literacy showing that there isn't really a place in the universe for God to exist.
On a world wide scale religion hasn't actually decreased. While it is going down in developed countries it is rising just as fast in weaker countries. Missionaries focus on converting Africans which are deeply superstitious. Theologically Africa is a battle ground between Christianity and Islam with the top half of Africa being Muslim and the bottom half being Christian. In disputed territories there are fucking ak47 battles in the street over which religion will reign. There was an article awhile back that the Catholic church was caught smuggling weapons into these war zones, the Islamic countries of course do the same thing.
Kind of cute how the crusades are still going on. Also kind of hilarious that pious Christians donate their money and it goes to some 3rd world country instead of their own country.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439336258
49535947,49538026,2015-08-11 23:44:36,">>49537665
>On a world wide scale religion hasn't actually decreased. While it is going down in developed countries it is rising just as fast in weaker countries.
I'd like to see some statistics on these. I'm pretty sure those weaker countries are already very religious even if currently transitioning to a new religion (e.g. Islam -> Christian). Probably the high birth rate in these countries is the only thing that is increasing the percentage of religious folk in the world today. I can't think of any atheistic countries that are becoming more religious.
> Also kind of hilarious that pious Christians donate their money and it goes to some 3rd world country instead of their own country.
Maybe they think they are doing their part in building some sort of ""Christian Caliphate"", so in a way are donating to their own country. Or maybe they are just easily fooled idiots with money.",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-bus.jpg,Q3xmytmJw2cVhEZ15IVxAQ==,US,,1439336676
49535947,49538095,2015-08-11 23:45:56,">>49536797
>Young hardcore Christians are a dying breed. 
They aren't. They are dying in the West but they grow and flourish in the East. They will be the death of the venerable cultures and traditions of Asia should they be allowed to grow. 
Having said that eventhough I live in a quite highly religious country, I suspect people are just in Christianity for social reasons. Acting holier than thou or publicly declaring faith on the social media is taken highly, a sign of status. Young Evangelicals are simply in it not because of God but because of the enjoyment and euphoria they get from concert worship and an environment where they feel welcomed. 
I cannot say anything about the Buddhists, Muslims or Hindus given I never really gotten intimate with them as I did with Christianity.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439336756
49535947,49538133,2015-08-11 23:46:54,Atheist is just another word for cuckold.,,Anonymous,dawkins-cuck-2.jpg,znYwSSu6is6d7BAj4j0JUg==,AU,,1439336814
49535947,49538188,2015-08-11 23:48:15,">>49535947
Why do you need an atheism general?
If atheism isn't a religion and instead an absence of religion, surely rather than making atheist threads you should express your atheism through a lack of threads?",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1439336895
49535947,49538196,2015-08-11 23:48:24,God is real,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439336904
49535947,49538327,2015-08-11 23:51:30,">>49538188
Because atheists can't run away from God. They find purpose in life discussing and being obsessed about his non-existence. The irony is that atheists like Christians both find their ultimate purpose in God.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439337090
49535947,49538359,2015-08-11 23:51:58,">>49538188
This is answered in the OP FAQ",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439337118
49535947,49538382,2015-08-11 23:52:30,">>49538196
What God?",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1439337150
49535947,49538572,2015-08-11 23:56:33,>>49538382,,Anonymous,kdAYA3w.jpg,sphRfYW7Ml3b4QaimwNYVA==,US,,1439337393
49535947,49538695,2015-08-11 23:59:20,">>49538095
>They will be the death of the venerable cultures and traditions of Asia should they be allowed to grow.
I remember I posted this graph awhile ago and some guy from some 3rd world country told me everyone in his village used to be Pagan than ministers converted everyone to Christianity and the world seemed a lot more spiritually dead.
It's kind of unfortunate. Being westernized is how a country succeeds, look at Japan for instance. Sadly you have to take the bad parts of our western society with the good parts. Japan managed to stave off the Christian degeneracy though.
In order to preserve their identity while being Westernized eastern countries need to turn their religions and traditions into symbols. Even if no one believes in a demon or holy spirit anymore if they still believe in the symbol of what it stands for than it can live on. That's ultimately how culture is being preserved right now. I also think that is why Orthodoxy is the strongest form of Christianity because it uses the power of the symbol more than any other Christianity.",,OuterLimits,2.png,LRZQYD/C/hv5MxYcpH4Tlg==,US,,1439337560
49535947,49538858,2015-08-12 00:03:03,">>49538095
>They are dying in the West but they grow and flourish in the East.
Do you have any stats on this? I'm interested to see exactly what you mean by ""flourish"".",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439337783
49535947,49539448,2015-08-12 00:17:12,">>49538695
>I remember I posted this graph awhile ago and some guy from some 3rd world country told me everyone in his village used to be Pagan than ministers converted everyone to Christianity and the world seemed a lot more spiritually dead.
I'm not surprised. Protestantism ditched mysticism and it now pays the price. This is why I do not like the prospect of Christianity coming and destroying cultures. The Japan anon at Christian Generals love to claim how Christianity doesn't do that but he is fooling himself. Should he ask his minister or pastor about the practice of Ancestral veneration, he will contend it to be idolatrous.
To be fair, such isn't always the case. The St Thomas Christians of India and Assyrians in China managed to live in peace and coexist with their neighbors of other faiths whilst maintaining culture. This was of course prior to Catholicism or Protestantism coming in to screw things over. 
>It's kind of unfortunate. Being westernized is how a country succeeds, look at Japan for instance. Sadly you have to take the bad parts of our western society with the good parts. Japan managed to stave off the Christian degeneracy though.
Yes you are right. I await the day when Asia will eventually succumb to the degeneracy of the SJWs and Christianity. It is only a matter of time IMO. 
I highly suspect you are right about Orthodoxy. It uses symbols heavily even in its Liturgy or approach to the Bible. The world it presents is one that is enchanted and doesn't require any disenchantment with any advancements in science, at least for now that is. However I'm worried about the acts of the Russian Orthodox Church today. It may serve as a detriment to the survival of Orthodoxy as a whole.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439338632
49535947,49539516,2015-08-12 00:18:34,">>49538858
You may want to look at this,
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
""flourish""=Grow, Increase",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439338714
49535947,49539733,2015-08-12 00:23:53,">>49538188
>you're not allowed to discuss things because bullshit reasons",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439339033
49535947,49539888,2015-08-12 00:27:16,">>49539516
This is pretty much why (pic from the article you linked)
Basically, African population is booming. And Africa is religious (for now)",,Dick Dorkins,PF_15.04.02_ProjectionsOverview_worldGrowthRate640px.png,04QUL00ThMFJGnr4pJhv0w==,US,,1439339236
49535947,49540064,2015-08-12 00:31:15,">>49539448
>The world it presents is one that is enchanted and doesn't require any disenchantment with any advancements in science, at least for now that is
Greek orthodox here. Can confirm.
Should say I was baptized Greek orthodox but I consider myself an agnostic atheist.",,Anonymous,godfags.png,bIwNkt6ic+XhBUY0o6F1BQ==,AU,,1439339475
49535947,49540115,2015-08-12 00:32:19,">>49535947
God damn. I thought autists were supposed to be smart?
>Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
Except for the fact that ""I am a man"" and ""I am Russian"" actually does make sense.
What doesn't make sense is saying there is no god and saying you don't know in the same breath.
>le dank hat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439339539
49535947,49540188,2015-08-12 00:33:43,">>49540115
>What doesn't make sense is saying there is no god and saying you don't know in the same breath.
>>le dank hat
We're 99.9% sure there's no god :^) 
>>49540115
>autist
nice buzzword may may meme",,Anonymous,tipsfedora.png,A8P6k4gFMCvK+SJjYjlqOA==,AU,,1439339623
49535947,49540241,2015-08-12 00:35:04,">>49535947
>not posting fedora chan",,Anonymous,1437013528115.jpg,lnS1il2jiK2KlDaDd9zw4w==,AR,,1439339704
49535947,49540309,2015-08-12 00:36:30,">>49540241
Why would you post the pony version?",,Dick Dorkins,fedora_chan.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,US,,1439339790
49535947,49540332,2015-08-12 00:37:02,">>49540188
>>49540115",,Anonymous,godfags2.png,Tn3WOGmufLo7aIL/gAiLBw==,AU,,1439339822
49535947,49540349,2015-08-12 00:37:28,">>49538572
I love this, it's the perfect dismissal of traditional ignorance with culturally approved $cience ignorance.
No type of ""sight"" is dependent on movement. It's fucking light perception.
The sense based on movement is called hearing.
Autists, the lot of you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439339848
49535947,49540387,2015-08-12 00:38:13,>>49540349,,Anonymous,mfwimplying.jpg,/CWW/PevLq08Hll5aUD/bQ==,AU,,1439339893
49535947,49540426,2015-08-12 00:39:00,">>49540309
Because it was the only I had... until now. 
Thanks",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439339940
49535947,49540472,2015-08-12 00:39:57,">>49540349
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_perception",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439339997
49535947,49540493,2015-08-12 00:40:22,">>49539888
Yes you are right about this.
Should the continent become more educated and developed though, religiosity will drop.
>>49540064
So can I get Chrismated without believing?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439340022
49535947,49540549,2015-08-12 00:41:42,">>49540426
want more?
http://imgur.com/a/AeGq8",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439340102
49535947,49540577,2015-08-12 00:42:25,">>49540493
>So can I get Chrismated without believing?
I was baptized as a baby, didn't really have a say in the matter. But I like it for all the other stuff. You can do this with any religion m8.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340145
49535947,49540621,2015-08-12 00:43:11,">>49535947
*tips fedora*",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1439340191
49535947,49540638,2015-08-12 00:43:38,">>49540621
Romanian arrives just on time for shit posting.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340218
49535947,49540658,2015-08-12 00:44:21,">>49540332
Damn you win because Im too lazy to make a pretty image about how retarded you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439340261
49535947,49540670,2015-08-12 00:44:32,">>49540549
>http://imgur.com/a/AeGq8
Thanks, my friend.
Have some SFW boobs.",,Anonymous,p19sav7uhh9rg15kdibe48tn5ag.jpg,pAWs1i9ZLa9Z9+l3o3N8fw==,AR,,1439340272
49535947,49540684,2015-08-12 00:44:47,">>49540621
Why are you wearing a fedora?",,Anonymous,1418569354408.jpg,XmtU13LlMxaSbYVQs9QeqA==,US,,1439340287
49535947,49540688,2015-08-12 00:44:53,">>49540658
Do tell. 
I can't wait to hear your reasons.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340293
49535947,49540714,2015-08-12 00:45:17,">>49540658
>lazy
Incompetent is the word you are looking for.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439340317
49535947,49540725,2015-08-12 00:45:31,">>49540670
dem titties is fake",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340331
49535947,49540755,2015-08-12 00:46:12,">>49540472
>being so retarded you didn't read the first sentence of the source you think proves you correct.
This is why people think atheists are retarded neckbeards.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439340372
49535947,49540800,2015-08-12 00:47:22,">>49540755
ebin",,Anonymous,mfwlelfgt.gif,sCrdzrdnGKuGdLzZjbltuw==,AU,,1439340442
49535947,49540809,2015-08-12 00:47:31,"Woe to those who go to great depths
 to hide their plans from the Lord,
who do their work in darkness and think,
 “Who sees us? Who will know?”
You turn things upside down,
 as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it,
 “You did not make me”?
Can the pot say to the potter,
 “You know nothing”?
-Isaiah 29, verse 15:16
There is one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus is the messiah he sent. 
God is great.",,strawman,allahu ackbar.jpg,Oy9kLd6W1S87nRxHRVLjlA==,US,,1439340451
49535947,49540812,2015-08-12 00:47:33,">>49540725
So?",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439340453
49535947,49540818,2015-08-12 00:47:38,">>49540714
Just imagine being retarded is on one axis and wearing hats is on the other.
You get the idea.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439340458
49535947,49540829,2015-08-12 00:48:08,">>49540812
would still bang tbh, fam, smh",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340488
49535947,49540836,2015-08-12 00:48:22,">>49536850
Which meme does Richard Dawkins consider to be the dankest meme?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439340502
49535947,49540859,2015-08-12 00:48:58,">>49540818
More reaction images for you.",,Anonymous,mfwharrison.jpg,ximGRCQ3qlLP1xQKIsUeeg==,AU,,1439340538
49535947,49540891,2015-08-12 00:49:55,">>49540809
>There is one God
The Bible is pretty polytheistic to be honest. Around 600 B.C. the Jews took all their gods and combined them into a one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
Interesting stuff if you have time to watch.",,Dick Dorkins,Professor_Richard_Dawkins_-_March_2005.jpg,U0crIiOofsrcf2yOFw6Q2w==,US,,1439340595
49535947,49540892,2015-08-12 00:49:58,">>49538572
But you have to move in order to get your dick in, unless you use instant transmission. Which isn't real.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439340598
49535947,49540918,2015-08-12 00:50:39,">>49540755
>Motion perception is the process of inferring the speed and direction of elements in a scene based on visual, vestibular and proprioceptive inputs.
This sentence that says motion perception is vision based?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439340639
49535947,49540932,2015-08-12 00:50:52,">>49540892
No sex before marriage types usually resort to butt fucking.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340652
49535947,49540949,2015-08-12 00:51:17,">>49535947
>having a general to talk about nothing
And you were the ones who were supposed to be smart.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1439340677
49535947,49540976,2015-08-12 00:51:54,">>49540949
>talk about nothing
Evidently that's not the case.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439340714
49535947,49540998,2015-08-12 00:52:18,">>49540932
And not to mention sex before marriage, unless of course you are Skippy the Mormon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439340738
49535947,49541070,2015-08-12 00:54:25,">>49540891
The bible documents that, actually. Israelites being polytheistic, I mean, considering Jews were not yet a split off ethnic group.",,strawman,250px-Shrug.jpg,nc5tguAOpPNJjSPdOvO98g==,US,,1439340865
49535947,49541214,2015-08-12 00:57:53,">>49539448
>SJW
You are kind of lucky, the SJW thing really seems to only affect European/American countries. Japan might as well be white but they are completely immune. I think it has to do with the fact that white countries tend to create culture and Asian countries tend assimilate the culture. In other words you don't actually get our culture until it's past the experimental stage. After it gets past the experimental stage, it's packaged, marketed and shipped to the rest of the countries in the world. 
It might also have something to do with the fact that Asian cultures are a lot more conformist. In an individualist white culture a fringe group with 5% of the population backing it gets respect, we might even respect them MORE for being a minority 'moving against the herd. In an Asian culture a 5% minority isn't going to get much respect especially if they trying to make massive changes to the system.
>symbols
What I said about symbols also applies to the other religions. If you want something in your culture's spiritualism to stay alive it needs to have symbolic value. Symbols can survive even with science, even with rival religions.
Catholicism seems to be a mid point between Protestants hatred of symbols and Orthodoxy's embracing of them. Catholics seem I donno, neutral. They have symbols but they don't seem to take great effort to promote them. 
>orthodox
What's the difference between vanilla Orthodox and the various ethnic versions anyway? Is vanillia Orthodox just the Europian version?
>>49540309
Man, I really like Fedora-chan but the community seems to have rejected her. No one loves her but me =/
I'll upload the pony one to our bin, it's important that we be able to laugh at ourselves
Here's a link to her image collection if anyone is interested.
http://imgur.com/a/AeGq8",,OuterLimits,HqZxgWz.jpg,kaHoqorz6eYsoiRy+yozfQ==,US,,1439341073
49535947,49541291,2015-08-12 00:59:41,">>49540188
>Believe in a personal God that doesn't interact with the universe in any meaningful or detectable way, and then expect other people to do the same.
>God doesn't respond to prayer in any detectable way, even to the most faithful. 
>fall back on attributing everything to god and saying ""just look around, this is because of God!"" without any evidence.
>fall back on asserting the bible is factually true because it says it's factually true, without any evidence
>hail mary to ""well we don't know how the universe began, so there's a 50/50% chance it was god"", and then pivot to pascal's wager
>claim that those who don't believe are fools because of a bible passage, or ask them if they've sinned (against a god they don't believe in), and then preach to them.
Christian apologetics are a bunch of horse shit.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439341181
49535947,49541387,2015-08-12 01:01:59,">>49541214
>I'll upload the pony one to our bin
That seems overly redundant and against current character design. We should ask the drawthread to draw her in a labcoat, maybe then people will love her more (a really good drawfag was complaining that he can't draw hats in that thread recently, so he drew christ-chan instead)",,Dick Dorkins,1438551211653.jpg,lXRXiHmHGVuADRgs0xh1+Q==,US,,1439341319
49535947,49541615,2015-08-12 01:06:43,"sup fellow nonbelievers 
how the fuck do you do it? everyday is a struggle it seems, I almost wish I wasn't such a skeptic... believing in something might help.",,Anonymous,1416099854901.png,llpKoV60rX2UvfyAYVrSYw==,US,,1439341603
49535947,49541694,2015-08-12 01:08:31,">>49541615
What in particular are you struggling with?",,Dick Dorkins,1366012636701.jpg,3tYxz62omkAZL4RZ0MkwhQ==,US,,1439341711
49535947,49541705,2015-08-12 01:08:45,">>49541291
I'm bored and eating dinner, so I'll argue with you, fully aware of the fact that this is pointless and we will convince each other of nothing.
>Believe in a personal God that doesn't interact with the universe in any meaningful or detectable way, and then expect other people to do the same.
That's incorrect. The bible is regarded as a historical record of God interacting with the universe. 
>God doesn't respond to prayer in any detectable way, even to the most faithful. 
I don't know what your criteria of ""detectable"" is, but I contend this point is untrue.
>fall back on attributing everything to god and saying ""just look around, this is because of God!"" without any evidence.
Then stop arguing with teenage girls.
>fall back on asserting the bible is factually true because it says it's factually true, without any evidence
The bible is a historical document and should be regarded as such. If you're going to completely discount it, you should throw out virtually every historical document before roughly 1200 AD or so that wasn't written in hewn stone.
>>hail mary to ""well we don't know how the universe began, so there's a 50/50% chance it was god"", and then pivot to pascal's wager
I don't argue this point. Pascal's wager is dishonest from a Christian standpoint.
>>claim that those who don't believe are fools because of a bible passage, or ask them if they've sinned (against a god they don't believe in), and then preach to them.
How dare they try to impart morals upon you!
Ect, ect. This is all fairly weak stuff, by the way, and it's been years since I've done this sort of thing.",,strawman,,,US,,1439341725
49535947,49541814,2015-08-12 01:11:30,">>49541694
general depression I think. 
I need to get my life on track, but it's like I lack motivation to even help myself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439341890
49535947,49541902,2015-08-12 01:13:22,">>49541814
You could always try praying",,strawman,1434546093003.png,ZBh6obaonjd/TD9PrO0K8g==,US,,1439342002
49535947,49541950,2015-08-12 01:14:33,">>49541705
>God's detectable interaction with the universe
In the physical realm. Just because it gives you good feels doesn't mean it's true any more than tumblrinas having to walk up a ramp are ""oppressed"" because their feels are hurt.
>bible as a historical document
The bible is a collection of a large number of writings from numerous sources over a large period. Granted, some sections may reference historical events but that doesn't verify the entire book's veracity, and furthermore since the book has undergone numerous revisions it's pretty difficult to differentiate between accurate data and post-hoc additions. If you write a sonic the hedgehog fanfic in 1997, and then update it to include the destruction of the twin towers, it doesn't mean sonic is real.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439342073
49535947,49541951,2015-08-12 01:14:34,">>49541814
>mfw people think they're ""enlightened"" to not have faith
>then they spend all their time depressed and unmotivated, surprising since they've voluntarily chosen to define their entire existence as a meaningless accident, around for less than an eyeblink in a vast, uncaring universe
Develop some faith bro
>b-but it's not real muh sky fairy
If it keeps you happy and gives you something to do with your life, who cares if it's real or not? Placebos work every day and this your one shot at life.",,Anonymous,1438911340105.jpg,8hN0jJBghJUB0YJ3xCMLaQ==,CA,,1439342074
49535947,49541961,2015-08-12 01:14:50,">>49541814
When I get sick I go see a doctor, not a witch doctor. I want someone who studies what ails me.
For that reason, I would guide you to a psychologist, psychiatrist, or some other type of doctor or specialist that can help you. From there, their knowledge can guide you further.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439342090
49535947,49541989,2015-08-12 01:15:18,">>49541615
Read philosophy than. Honestly the idea that 'there is no meaning without God' is one of the biggest crimes Christianity ever commited.
The Greek religion did not need 'God' to give them meaning, or to explain 'why there is suffering'. The Gods were not there to coddle to you and be a celestial father. Many Gods were utterly indifferent to human affairs unless it involved their own narrow dominion (for instance Posiden only cares about you if you are fishing or on a boat and he is just as likely to fuck you up as he is to help you) They were there to control the forces of nature and have heroic adventures. In short the Gods never gave meaning!
Christianity came along and said everything in the world was meaningless except their God. All values were sacrificed on the altar to God.
But than we killed God and all values died with him, thus we got nihilism, post modernism, and that horrible feeling that life is empty. We had forgotten that there ever was a time when people did not need a God to have meaning.
Nietzsche and a few other philosophers tried to remind people of what the Greeks already knew. Honestly if you are depressed read philosophy it's what fucking helped me.
I have wrote up a huge section on Nietzsche in our bin. If Nietzsche isn't your taste you might try Max Sterner or Taoism.",,OuterLimits,5fee0af316140ade7cc9f7243ee52567.jpg,p1v+iUrEo+OX1Nq168/tow==,US,,1439342118
49535947,49542072,2015-08-12 01:17:39,">>49541902
How are you sure that praying isn't just a placebo?",,Anonymous,567u457.jpg,wvA91GO3fhz5hpOuhYrNzg==,AR,,1439342259
49535947,49542151,2015-08-12 01:19:27,">>49541961
>psychologist, psychiatrist, or some other type of doctor or specialist that can help you.
>21st century witch doctors
>here's what your local bartender or priest will do for free, for a mere $200 an hour goyim!
>after which they'll prescribe you a mind-altering substance that'll maybe make you feel a little better, or you might kill yourself who knows lol",,Anonymous,1435104545058.png,aEWJ2YVyqo5KHn+0NAYlmw==,CA,,1439342367
49535947,49542246,2015-08-12 01:21:50,">>49541951
you don't understand. I literally cannot believe in something like that, ever since a child in church and Bible school I was silently questioning. it wouldn't have a ""placebo effect"" because I would know it wasn't the real thing. 
>>49541961
I will look into it, poor as shit right now though. bills are a bitch 
>>49541989
thanks dude I'll check it out, I need to read more anyway",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439342510
49535947,49542250,2015-08-12 01:21:54,">>49541950
>In the physical realm
That was specifically what I'm talking about, actually. Don't strawman the strawman. 
>Granted, some sections may reference historical events but that doesn't verify the entire book's veracity
Why not?
>the book has undergone numerous revisions it's pretty difficult to differentiate between accurate data and post-hoc additions
Which revisions are you specifically talking about? The key word here is specific. 
You implying a lack of physical evidence hinges on everything metaphysical and supernatural in the bible being a complete fabrication. As the book itself is the primary verified contemporary source upon which the claims of evidence derive their authority, we need to establish its authenticity, do we not? Are you claiming that every account of metaphysical events recorded therein is a fabrication?",,strawman,,,US,,1439342514
49535947,49542289,2015-08-12 01:22:56,">>49541989
This. Morality and purpose were co-opted by the abrahamic god, and then anyone who disagreed was considered devoid of morality and devoid of purpose.
Just realize when you die, you're dead. No do-over. This is it.
Also, go talk to a medical professional. Physical activity and an improvement in diet never hurt either.
Based on personal experiences, if pharmaceutical intervention is recommended, I would generally stay away from SSRIs as a front line treatment and look more into the SNRI or TRI side of things. Also look into gaba agonists, possibly.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439342576
49535947,49542336,2015-08-12 01:24:01,">>49541951
>>49541951
>Placebos
Here's the thing though. Why would you take the Christian placebo over any other?
Why not just convince yourself that Madoka is real and when you die you can have tea parties with magical girls?
The healthiest placebo is one you know isn't real that way you can stop taking the moment you become strong enough to live without it. In a way that's what a psychologist does when he gives you pills. The pills trick your brain into acting a certain way, once you can naturally make your brain act in the way you want you stop taking the pills.
Although placebos are itself a huge form of degeneracy. You need to accept an affirm that life. If you have a value system that tells you there is nothing good in this world than you must ANNIHILATE it and create a new one...and to do that you need philosophy.",,OuterLimits,Outlimit&#039;s afterlife.jpg,O8d5SqPVnoMQohyc+SozHA==,US,,1439342641
49535947,49542374,2015-08-12 01:24:54,">>49542246
>I will look into it, poor as shit right now though. bills are a bitch
Check out your local health department’s Mental Health Division. These services are state funded and are obligated to first serve individuals who meet ""priority population criteria"" as defined by the state Mental Health Department. There may be waiting lists and not all individuals may be eligible for services. In some jurisdictions local funding is provided for additional services.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439342694
49535947,49542418,2015-08-12 01:25:55,">>49542072
When did I ever claim that prayer should be applied like some sort of medicine? Do you think I'm just talking about praying to ""feel better"" or some such thing?
>>49541989
You're kind of right in your analysis of thought about God and meaning and values in the mainstream thought of western society, with one fatal flaw. And Max STIRNER should have been shot.",,strawman,1435620521001.jpg,jz6Yc1JFQregb46sQpzoPQ==,US,,1439342755
49535947,49542540,2015-08-12 01:29:04,">>49542336
Actually, this is kinda a problem with modern beliefs and attitudes toward religion. People want a placebo, something to make them feel better. You see all sorts of terrible things popping up like prosperity gospel, promising them just that.
I am not espousing taking a placebo. If you want that, just start drinking; you'll at least feel better for real.",,strawman,,,US,,1439342944
49535947,49542613,2015-08-12 01:31:03,">>49542418
I mean placebo as 'somebody is there hearing me, and therefore will help me'. 
What's the point of prayer then?",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439343063
49535947,49542661,2015-08-12 01:32:30,">>49535947
>tripfag
try harder chaim",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439343150
49535947,49542696,2015-08-12 01:33:16,">>49542374
>Check out your local health department’s Mental Health Division. 
I feel like an idiot but how do I go about finding this? Google? Haha shit man I haven't seen the doctor since '08",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439343196
49535947,49542705,2015-08-12 01:33:22,">>49542613
God literally helping you. The point isn't feeling better about your situation, it's someone else fixing it for you.
The point of prayer is to talk directly to God.",,strawman,1435589518090.jpg,oJo+K3Mjn426evmfl/Cuog==,US,,1439343202
49535947,49542708,2015-08-12 01:33:27,">>49542246
Well, consider that your obsession with Truth, which is an entirely subjective experience, varies from person to person, and you may actually even be completely wrong about, may also be killing you.
Try to focus more on what can work. If only as basic life advice.
that said
>having faith means having faith in Abrahamic religions
Just because one religion seems hilariously bad, doesn't mean they all are.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439343207
49535947,49542727,2015-08-12 01:34:15,">>49535947
i don't believe in something so much im going to make a post about it",,Anonymous,1429917865936.jpg,tTyJRhLNhNdjAYS2DiAaCQ==,US,,1439343255
49535947,49542747,2015-08-12 01:34:49,">>49542696
Yeah, google something like ""mental health division ""
>>49542661
It's only because I maintain a pastebin. You can contribute to it with feedback and content if you want. http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439343289
49535947,49542788,2015-08-12 01:35:54,">>49542747
thanks bro. 
>mfw the best general is on fucking /pol/",,Anonymous,1433878398793.jpg,iiilULraOcTmt6YiX7Q1SQ==,US,,1439343354
49535947,49542790,2015-08-12 01:35:55,">>49542705
why are there so many tripfags here, it is like reddit!",,Anonymous,4chan in a nutshell.jpg,CV3e/m4FlZiH9VRK5O8gkw==,US,,1439343355
49535947,49542792,2015-08-12 01:35:59,">>49542708
Taking up a religion because you think it might make you feel better is not what you do in any Abrahamic faith.
>>49542246
Just pray. Literally pray, don't even force yourself to have a faith you don't have. Just do it. The worst that can happen, from your viewpoint, is you talking to an empty room for a few minutes.",,strawman,,,US,,1439343359
49535947,49542843,2015-08-12 01:37:09,">>49542788
>adoring tripfags
this is the type of shit that drove the good /pol/acks off this board",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439343429
49535947,49542846,2015-08-12 01:37:11,">>49542250
>god influencing the physical realm and the definition of detectable
What standard should I adopt, other than one that is designed to separate purposed effect from chance? 
It's too bad that any invocation of god, however heartfelt and genuine, can be safely ignored by god if there is any skeptical observer around, because you can't put god to the test. Great little immunization against skepticism there, as good as Muhammad saying he's the last prophet and there will be no more.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439343431
49535947,49542865,2015-08-12 01:37:41,">>49542790
I'm here for the attention. You people amuse me.",,strawman,brenden fraser.jpg,xWXNbwPXzbNdoIbgehHdDA==,US,,1439343461
49535947,49542905,2015-08-12 01:38:45,">>49542788
atheism saves",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439343525
49535947,49542954,2015-08-12 01:39:55,">>49542905
>atheism
is extremely gay
all atheists are the greatest of goyim",,Anonymous,8271_Zach-Braff_copy_2.jpg,8Jv8mrwd2OWzdp7RMKZkhA==,US,,1439343595
49535947,49542955,2015-08-12 01:39:55,">>49542843
I don't adore trips. just helpful people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439343595
49535947,49542969,2015-08-12 01:40:25,">>49542846
>What standard should I adopt, other than one that is designed to separate purposed effect from chance? 
I suppose reliable eyewitness testimony is the best place to start. 
>It's too bad that any invocation of god, however heartfelt and genuine, can be safely ignored by god if there is any skeptical observer around, because you can't put god to the test
Who says that? That's silly.",,strawman,,,US,,1439343625
49535947,49543032,2015-08-12 01:41:53,">>49542788
I hope things go well. I just did a little dance for you.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439343713
49535947,49543084,2015-08-12 01:43:23,">>49543032
You should consider suicide.",,Anonymous,1417568198504.jpg,MmhbMjrOy3IA51r5mrCoFw==,US,,1439343803
49535947,49543130,2015-08-12 01:44:44,">>49543084
That's awfully rude of you.",,strawman,pope on shitposting.png,Fxahk8F4/IXwkIXVOf7IWw==,US,,1439343884
49535947,49543175,2015-08-12 01:45:59,">>49543032
I'll be okay, I'm beating this depression anyway, last winter was the worst... if I can make it out of that I am confident I can make it out of this",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439343959
49535947,49543186,2015-08-12 01:46:15,">>49543130
I will shitpost for my God you heathens Deus Vult!",,Anonymous,20150801_130720.jpg,f3YfPfXpJWoktnk0BYStLg==,US,,1439343975
49535947,49543209,2015-08-12 01:47:05,Reminder every time you use a meme you owe it to Richard Dawkins.,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439344025
49535947,49543213,2015-08-12 01:47:08,>>49543186,,Dick Dorkins,soldier_of_christ.jpg,hK6TZ85sIZfVxe5BVYL4BQ==,US,,1439344028
49535947,49543238,2015-08-12 01:47:58,">>49543186
>>49543213
Allahu ackbar",,strawman,press f to praise allah.jpg,BgkopIf3iNpu7UEAlVk9gA==,US,,1439344078
49535947,49543270,2015-08-12 01:49:02,">>49535947
Why do so many atheists struggle with depression? Basically every major YouTube atheist deals with depression",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439344142
49535947,49543276,2015-08-12 01:49:08,">>49542250
>why can't references to historical events confirm the bible's veracity?
Because that's not how historical things are verified?
>implying a lack of physical evidence hinges on the metaphysical and supernatural elements being untrue
Yes, I totally imply that, and moreover that there are no metaphysical or supernatural occurrences, only naturalistic occurrences to which we lack understanding. Just because something is unexplained, whether it is a personal experience or a measured phenomenon does not mean it can be attributed to the christian god, or any other gods.
The default position to the metaphysical and supernatural claims in the bible is one of skepticism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439344148
49535947,49543327,2015-08-12 01:50:13,">>49543213
Fedoras are only pagans and atheist.
All Christians are the heroes /pol/ needs
Repent your ways heathen and join the Orthodox Catholic Church.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439344213
49535947,49543331,2015-08-12 01:50:19,">>49543270
Everyone has ""depression"" now.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439344219
49535947,49543345,2015-08-12 01:50:31,/pol/- religion (or lack there of),,Anonymous,,,US,,1439344231
49535947,49543350,2015-08-12 01:50:49,>>49543327,,Dick Dorkins,gods_army.jpg,pksjTD/44a+bw4NZabqAxA==,US,,1439344249
49535947,49543403,2015-08-12 01:51:52,">>49543270
one youtube atheist shoved a banana in his ass",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439344312
49535947,49543413,2015-08-12 01:52:11,">>49541214
>the SJW thing really seems to only affect European/American countries
I wish I can really confirm this but, I already have friends who are into the SJW stuff. Fuck there's even a grill I know that identifies as a feminist and how there are quite a number supporting gay marriage even Christians!
It is only a matter of time before it all goes down to shit.
>What I said about symbols also applies to the other religions. If you want something in your culture's spiritualism to stay alive it needs to have symbolic value. Symbols can survive even with science, even with rival religions.
Yes, that's right. More importantly is what those symbols mean and how they are used. Are they something that corresponds closely to the sign and the signified? If so then that's the symbolism that would drive the religion onward. Should it be a hollow form of it such as Zwingli's view of the Eucharist then it doesn't work.
Catholicism actually embraces symbolism. The problem is that it's less evident in the new Novus Ordo mass. In the older Tridentine Mass one can see how symbolism is prominent. If any thanks to the changes of Vatican 2.0, they basically diminish the role that symbolism plays.
>What's the difference between vanilla Orthodox and the various ethnic versions anyway? Is vanillia Orthodox just the Europian version?
There is no difference other than cultural expression or the zeal for nationalism. The Russians take it to the extreme. Just look how the Russian Orthodox Church is lifting up Putin's balls!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439344331
49535947,49543439,2015-08-12 01:52:48,">>49542969
>eyewitness testimony
Yes I will totally believe eyewitness testimony of people who were brought up as christians, who then saw a thing and attributed it to jesus. Or people who were not christians, saw a thing, and then were duped into attributing it to jesus.
Should I interview all the mental patients who think they're jesus as well?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439344368
49535947,49543453,2015-08-12 01:53:27,">>49543276
Then how are historical things verified? You may want this to help you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_obtaining_knowledge
>The default position to the metaphysical and supernatural claims in the bible is one of skepticism.
So you're intentionally making a claim without evidence based on belief. We're at the point where we've defined what exactly your world view is, namely that of the modern skeptic. Therein lies our disagreement. 
I'll probably go to bed soon. I think outlining where we disagree is a good place to stop.",,strawman,,,US,,1439344407
49535947,49543472,2015-08-12 01:53:59,">>49543403
Even worse, he did that while jacking off to those weak ass Scarlett Johansson semi nude leaks, poor choice",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439344439
49535947,49543475,2015-08-12 01:54:09,>>49543350,,Anonymous,fug off mum.jpg,CZfuiUAQp+6DY5SlFZjy9g==,US,,1439344449
49535947,49543506,2015-08-12 01:55:00,">>49542250
The first fucking story in the New Testament has King Herod doing a nation wide census and killing 6,000,000 babies.
NONE OF THAT HAPPENED! There are zero historical records for it! None, zip, nadda, zero!
And this story isn't even repeated by the other apostles.
Look there probably was a historical Jesus but it doesn't mean he had magical powers. Julius Caesar was also a 'son of god' and he is a historical figure. The only reason you think Julius is not divine but Jesus is because Julius was not a Jew. Go pray to your shekel God!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439344500
49535947,49543527,2015-08-12 01:55:31,">>49542969
>You can't test god
Gospel of Luke. Any skeptic's attempt to reveal god will end in failure. Also the skeptic committed a sin.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439344531
49535947,49543577,2015-08-12 01:56:50,">>49543439
I was referring to the people who wrote the bible specifically, actually. Those eyewitnesses. The claim of historical authenticity, authority, and accuracy of the collection of documents known as the Bible is the basis of evidence of specific eyewitness accounts of the existence of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, which is specifically where I started for that very reason.
>>49543527
I mean that
>It's too bad that any invocation of god, however heartfelt and genuine, can be safely ignored by god if there is any skeptical observer around
was silly. God isn't a leprechaun.",,strawman,,,US,,1439344610
49535947,49543591,2015-08-12 01:57:12,">>49538133
Shit bait mate. Try again with an actual quote faggot.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439344632
49535947,49543615,2015-08-12 01:57:42,,,Anonymous,am i cool guys.jpg,t+7eem+Ion8dOb6l7FJIvQ==,US,,1439344662
49535947,49543709,2015-08-12 02:00:33,">>49543506
The specific example you gave has not been disproven, but rather is regarded as open. It's not something that, if we throw out the historicity of the bible completely, we can prove or disprove. That is the sort of reasoning that led people to state until recently that the entire Trojan War was a complete fabrication.",,strawman,,,US,,1439344833
49535947,49543839,2015-08-12 02:03:31,">>49535947
religion is simply a long propagated myth and stories that relate back to the ancients understanding of astronomy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7AGKfbCKDE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439345011
49535947,49543863,2015-08-12 02:04:05,">>49543577
But that invocation of god is being scrutinized by a nonbeliever and is therefore a test of god.
Even ""wondering"" if a prayer will get answered has been cited as the reason why a prayer wasn't answered. I was going to put an anecdote in here but i didn't want to appeal to emotion. Anyways, to god, scrutinizing god is an affront to god.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439345045
49535947,49543906,2015-08-12 02:05:18,">>49543709
>there is no evidence
>but maybe we will find some
The same can be said for unicorns. What is the point of believing things that haven't been substantiated yet?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439345118
49535947,49543936,2015-08-12 02:05:53,">>49543615
https://www.google.com/search?q=jesus+christ+pony&biw=1024&bih=538&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIlb2K5u6ixwIV0y2ICh0jrgAk#
There is nothing sacred in this world anymore.",,OuterLimits,Jesus Horse.jpg,gS06UpGCgJmiGWrTEs71MA==,US,,1439345153
49535947,49543943,2015-08-12 02:06:03,">>49543709
>not been disproven
Shit, in my initial rundown I forgot to include ""shift burden of proof whenever possible"", didn't I?
mea culpa, by my fault, my most grievous fault.
BTW, I actually appreciate that you're willing to tangle and not just shillmeme/cuckmeme.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439345163
49535947,49544013,2015-08-12 02:07:38,">>49543863
>scrutinizing god is an affront to god
Not really. Half of what Solomon wrote was scrutinizing God. Testing God is what's forbidden; that doesn't mean He won't respond. 
>>49543906
>substantiated
I've already stated what substantiated it earlier in this thread. Can you not read, or do you not understand why this is substantiation?
>>49543577",,strawman,,,US,,1439345258
49535947,49544054,2015-08-12 02:08:25,">>49543936
When this world burns, we will have deserved it.",,strawman,haram.jpg,MrUJ//h1IC2xd2XW29NqMA==,US,,1439345305
49535947,49544149,2015-08-12 02:10:31,">>49544013
>Can you not read, or do you not understand why this is substantiation?
I haven't been following your conversation with the other anons. Explain why it is substantiated beyond hearsay",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439345431
49535947,49544233,2015-08-12 02:12:38,">>49543943
Proof? I'm not talking about proof, I'm talking about methodology of proof. The scientific method doesn't apply in this case because we're dealing with history. History is not science. History does not use the scientific method to establish fact and collect knowledge, it uses the historical method.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
And I'm completely serious about all of this. I don't like being intellectually dishonest.",,strawman,,,US,,1439345558
49535947,49544240,2015-08-12 02:12:55,">>49543577
>The writers of the Bible are eyewitnesses
Son, I've got some bad news for you. Most of the New Testament was written at LEAST 50 years after the the supposed death of Jesus. The gospels were 60 years after the supposed events at the earliest.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439345575
49535947,49544254,2015-08-12 02:13:11,">>49543577
And what parts of the bible support the veracity of those eyewitness claims?
The fact that herod existed doesn't really sell it for me.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439345591
49535947,49544395,2015-08-12 02:17:11,">>49544240
Does it even matter?
Ok the Bible is historical, Herod really killed 6 million babies. 
Philosophical problems about God still remain, the squabbles of denominations remain each preaching their own brand of God and the Bible itself. The thing is, whether the Bible is historical or not, it doesn't matter. The problems are still there for the Christian to solve and if they can't, their entire belief system falls into the rubble.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439345831
49535947,49544454,2015-08-12 02:18:53,">>49544240
Perhaps that not enough, lets talk about life expectancy. During the time of classical Rome, the life expectancy of those who lived at least to 10 years of age, the average was 47 years old.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439345933
49535947,49544470,2015-08-12 02:19:28,">>49544149
My bad. It's substantiated as much as almost any other historical document from roughly before 1000 to 500 AD.
>>49544240
Excuse me, I should have expanded to say eyewitnesses and direct accounts of eyewitnesses in the case of some of the new testiment. The gospel of Luke, in particular I believe, was written as a sort of history and involved the writer collecting multiple eyewitness accounts rather than a single one.
But moving on, to address your point of the time between the events and the writing of the accounts, the estimates place the earliest writing at 30 years after the events and the latest at 50 years after. These are within both the lifetimes of firsthand eyewitnesses and people they had contact with, in the case of the gospels. This would have a little more merit if we were supposing several generations had passed before the events were recorded, but the recording was within one generation.",,strawman,,,US,,1439345968
49535947,49544483,2015-08-12 02:19:43,">>49543863
>The book says god exists
>Any other evidence that god does exist will be hidden from people who don't already believe that he exists
how convenient",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439345983
49535947,49544492,2015-08-12 02:19:54,">>49544233
But again, the bible as a book of books is not subject as a mass to that treatment. it is subject in parts.
4000 years from now, an archeologist finds a sonic the hedgehog fanfic in which he rescued everyone from the twin towers or something.
The archaeologist also has evidence of the twin towers existing and then being destroyed.
The historicity of a blue hedgehog who runs really fast is not the conclusion they're going to jump to.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439345994
49535947,49544519,2015-08-12 02:20:36,">>49544395
Most people won't be willing to discuss the deeper philosophical and theological arguments if they are still holding on to the bible being true. If the Bible is true then God is definitely real, and he's done a bunch of shit. You can't even get into philosophical arguments about it, because attacking god's existence would seem like attacking gravity's existence.
That's why you cast doubt on the bible stories first, then the god.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439346036
49535947,49544568,2015-08-12 02:21:45,">>49544470
Should we give deference to all of the god claims in all of those documents then?
Or should we remain skeptical of metaphysical claims until such time as the existence can be verified?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439346105
49535947,49544634,2015-08-12 02:23:31,">>49544254
I don't understand what you want to support the claim's truth.
>>49544395
Ok, this is a different matter entirely. Previously we were dealing with evidence for the existence of God.
Is the squabble of denominations proof of the non-existence of God? I would venture to say that God seems to be no great respecter of persons.
>>49544519
Then let's talk philosophy and theology. We're talking about the bible stories because we were talking about evidence for the existence of God.",,strawman,,,US,,1439346211
49535947,49544666,2015-08-12 02:24:16,">>49544483
I was gonna be a smartass about that point, but I decided against it.
It's kinda like Joseph Smith of the mormons. He's holding meetings in the newly-formed mormon church, and parishioners are spitting tobacco on the floor. Afterwards, his wife gives him shit about it, and right after that, he receives a revelation from god that tobacco is a sin!
OR when joseph smith noticed a bitch he wanted to fuck, but he was married, and so a couple days later he got a revelation from god that it was totally ok if he married her as well, so he did!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439346256
49535947,49544698,2015-08-12 02:24:54,">>49535947
you can't even comprehend the fact that you're aware right now, and that everything that is, only is, because you are. 
I'm not religious but holy fuck if you don't think there is an infinite, eternal source of existence you're fuckin' lost mate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439346294
49535947,49544707,2015-08-12 02:25:01,">>49544470
Still, when people witness crazy events, and they intend to write about it (because Jesus's message was super important, right?), they don't wait 30+ years. Shit like that is saved for memoirs and ghost writers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439346301
49535947,49544764,2015-08-12 02:26:26,">>49544634
>inconsistencies in the bible don't count against biblical historical veracity",,Anonymous,12804_3fbedf@2x.jpg,TJpFpW/NoXHcjrfkRwy8VA==,CA,,1439346386
49535947,49544765,2015-08-12 02:26:26,">>49544492
>it is subject in parts.
Very well. It absolutely is. Do you realize what the general coherence of said parts in terms of a greater whole implies?
This is unrelated, but I've just discovered that you can expand the comment reply text box. That's immensely helpful, I haven't been able to proofread my posts beforehand. It's been too damn long since I've lurked here regularly, it seems.",,strawman,,,US,,1439346386
49535947,49544771,2015-08-12 02:26:37,">>49544666
I like you, satan-trips-man.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439346397
49535947,49544839,2015-08-12 02:28:23,">>49540349
you know light.. moves, really, really, really, fast, actually.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439346503
49535947,49544855,2015-08-12 02:28:58,">>49544698
>i don't understand a thing therefore a supernatural argument is true
Slow your roll, violent J. What about magnets?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439346538
49535947,49544861,2015-08-12 02:29:08,">>49544666
I don't consider Joseph Smith a Christian, and I think he should have been shot.
>>49544707
This was a time of general mass illiteracy, you know. Writing wasn't something done casually.
>>49544764
Many seem to be because of
>a collection of books written by several different people
But I'll bite. Which inconsistencies?",,strawman,,,US,,1439346548
49535947,49544895,2015-08-12 02:30:15,">>49544839
From our point of view, anyway. From a photon's reference frame, it doesn't experience any time or space as it travels. Relativity is neat.",,strawman,,,US,,1439346615
49535947,49544929,2015-08-12 02:31:03,">>49535947
That first paragraph about agnostic and atheist is wrong.
An atheist is someone who believes there's no god(s)
A theist believes in a god (gods)
An agnostic doesn't believe either way, they are just as much and atheist as they are a theist (in other words, they are neither)",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439346663
49535947,49544957,2015-08-12 02:31:56,">>49544395
I really don't even like debating the historical accuracy of the bible.
I could probably find things like Herod in it that stand out but what's the point? I could probably dig up some embarassing stuff in Catholic history but who cares? It's too fucking easy, other fedroa's can do that.
Philosophical debates is where it's at, it has further reaching implications and you actually learn things. I think I've actually influenced a few people when I get into the deeper philosophical points.
The sect fighting is top kek. The Christian general is a fucking flame war between Orthodox and Catholic and Wolfshiem is just doing damage control. It's kind of cute watching him ""now now my lambs let's settle down....no no your just interpreting it wrong...do you want to sing bible carols...look here's a picture of Saint Peter....please don't fight =-( ""
The crisis with Christianity is that they don't have any core tenants other than 'believe' and the whole value system is collapsing. The trend that the high priests of 4chan want to push is Christianity as some sort of zen like religion where you just reflect on God's holiness. You need a clear value system, a hierachy of values so which now which one is more important, it needs to be applicable to politics, and it needs to be able to affirm someone as an enemy (those that have opposite or conflicting values). But the church has no balls, they don't want to offend anyone.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439346716
49535947,49544968,2015-08-12 02:32:16,">>49544929
I agree with whoever said an agnostic was a closet atheist or some such thing like that, actually. Dawkins said it, I believe.",,strawman,,,US,,1439346736
49535947,49544996,2015-08-12 02:32:56,">>49544861
>But I'll bite. Which inconsistencies?
http://errancy.org/",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439346776
49535947,49544999,2015-08-12 02:33:02,">>49544861
I think I'd seek someone to write for me if I encountered Jesus and miracles, but not one of the gospel writers seemed to do that until at the absolute least 30 years later.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439346782
49535947,49545001,2015-08-12 02:33:08,">>49535947
Fuck off to leddit",,Anonymous,tips fedora (130).png,XDolWepWWjD95IQINLi77w==,DE,,1439346788
49535947,49545011,2015-08-12 02:33:29,">>49544519
Yes but I think it's because of ignorance. If you say for example ask Wolfenstein to discuss them with you he would given that he have some level of expertise in this area.
Either way, as long as the Bible is shown to be false or some parts of it, the Atheist wins. But this is quite a daunting task. One of the easier ways to do it is to raise the issue of some stuff God did in the OT. This calls into question whether God is really good or not leading us down the rabbit hole of God and morality.
>>49544634
Ok then so where is the evidence for God's existence? In particular the god that you worship of all the gods out there. 
Looking through nature, the skies, the animals the laws of the universe tells us nothing about who this God is other than he made it all possible. This claim is also questionable.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439346809
49535947,49545079,2015-08-12 02:35:26,">>49544861
Some of these are stupid but have fun.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439346926
49535947,49545128,2015-08-12 02:36:56,">>49544519
Dorkins. You are plain wrong.
Let's say you blow it all away, you disprove every single thing in the bible.
Jesus ""Haha! You thought you destroyed me by defeating the bible! But the bible was only my first form! This is my true form! The stories were only there for their meaning! The philosophy was their real form all along! I can still survive even if no one believes the stories are true all they need is to believe the messagae""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439347016
49535947,49545150,2015-08-12 02:37:34,"Here's something for St.Rawman to answer should he wish,
Is Moses the author of the Pentateuch?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439347054
49535947,49545167,2015-08-12 02:38:03,">>49544929
People interpret the word ""agnostic"" in different ways but it doesn't really matter.
>Not know absolutely for sure that there is no teapot behind Venus
>Assume that there is no teapot behind Venus until proven otherwise
This would make you agnostic about the teapot while also not even slightly believing in it.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439347083
49535947,49545221,2015-08-12 02:39:20,">>49545128
That ain't Jesus. That's simply Loss Aversion in action through Rationalization!
All the alleogorical stuff is ok but once all sense of historicity is gone, so is the God of Christianity itself. There is nothing left but a mental projection of this god.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439347160
49535947,49545233,2015-08-12 02:39:46,">>49544861
Which book of the bible passes historical muster, and what is your rationale for extrapolating it to the whole work?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439347186
49535947,49545254,2015-08-12 02:40:10,">>49545128
>The philosophy was their real form all along!
Which is when you start debating philosophy, which is what I just said you would do after debunking the bible. If the Bible is taken as literal fact then, like I've already said, God is just not even open to debate.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439347210
49535947,49545266,2015-08-12 02:40:28,">>49542705
If God will just change his divine plan to suit any random asking person's feelings, how is God's plan divine?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347228
49535947,49545269,2015-08-12 02:40:34,">>49544895
yes.. good job, fast/slow is relative. Considering we will never travel as fast as light which is constant, and light doesn't have a fucking perspective, it's fast, always.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347234
49535947,49545286,2015-08-12 02:41:03,">>49544957
Philosophical debates are more amusing. Unfortunately you probably won't influence me tonight because it's way past my bedtime and I have something fairly important to do tomorrow. 
I don't like sect fighting. My personal belief is that all men are wrong, so it's pointless to argue over who's the least wrong.
>The crisis with Christianity is that they don't have any core tenants other than 'believe'
We do have core TENETS (tenant is something else, you illiterate), but most of them are ignored by modern ""Christians"" because most of them are incompatible with modern society. The value system exists and is literally outlined in the first portion of the Bible under the Law.
>But the church has no balls, they don't want to offend anyone.
Yes. We're in the lukewarm age of Christianity. Like I said, Christianity is incompatible with modern society. Churches know this and want to change to conform themselves with something fundamentally different from what Christianity truly is.",,strawman,,,US,,1439347263
49535947,49545323,2015-08-12 02:42:03,">>49544996
All the red ones at the top of the list are literally just
>different books written by different people using different eyewitnesses
That's a silly metric of truth",,strawman,,,US,,1439347323
49535947,49545325,2015-08-12 02:42:05,">>49544855
Sucks your lost bro, hope you find your path",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347325
49535947,49545341,2015-08-12 02:42:26,">>49544999
According to Acts, they were busy with other things at the time.",,strawman,,,US,,1439347346
49535947,49545355,2015-08-12 02:42:53,">>49543175
At least you have your health, misfortune can strike at any moment.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347373
49535947,49545394,2015-08-12 02:43:59,">>49544855
also
>supernatural
kek
>source of all existence, the only thing natural. existence is what is super.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347439
49535947,49545403,2015-08-12 02:44:07,">>49544519
So you relent, you accept the bible as true, and then try to argue god on his own terms, where either ""you're not interpreting it correctly"", ""you don't have the right context"", ""only believers know the true meaning because we got the decoder ring"", or ""this obviously terrible thing that god did? no it's okay because God defines goodness!""
Every level of god claims need to be questioned.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439347447
49535947,49545427,2015-08-12 02:44:50,">>49543350
What is the difference between collapsing and fainting in this context?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347490
49535947,49545489,2015-08-12 02:46:31,">>49545341
I tried not to meme. I really tried.",,Anonymous,Two_Weeks_Later[1].png,cdR3Bx/hKf6EZlweQkPlbA==,CA,,1439347591
49535947,49545512,2015-08-12 02:47:06,">>49545150
>St. Rawman
AHAHAHAHAHA adopted
I don't actually know. I think he may be, but there's some evidence either there was multiple authors or later editing. Jewish tradition holds he was though.
>>49545011
>Ok then so where is the evidence for God's existence? In particular the god that you worship of all the gods out there. 
I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I've spent most of my posts in this thread outlining some of the evidence, as well as the methodology involved for finding and analyzing said evidence. What sort of evidence do you want?
>Looking through nature, the skies, the animals the laws of the universe tells us nothing about who this God is other than he made it all possible. This claim is also questionable.
Yes. From a purely naturalistic standpoint, all we can tell is that there is a God. My belief in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is rooted in more than a pure analysis of the natural world.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439347626
49535947,49545518,2015-08-12 02:47:18,"why are atheists always btfo by based Christians like William Lane Craig? 
Chris Hitchens BTFO 
https://youtu.be/4KBx4vvlbZ8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347638
49535947,49545552,2015-08-12 02:48:11,">>49545323
They contradict each other. Police interrogators will cross-reference stories that people give and look for inconsistencies. Lies tend to have quite a few.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439347691
49535947,49545554,2015-08-12 02:48:11,">>49545286
So what are the Tenents.
Do you think their incompatibility is something that can be undone? I see Christianity as something that is not no longer in control of itself, it is a tool for higher powers for example liberalism. After losing it's political, military, and land owning power the church was doomed to forever just be a puppet of some higher power.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439347691
49535947,49545557,2015-08-12 02:48:20,">>49545286
because they need followers because followers bring in money",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347700
49535947,49545561,2015-08-12 02:48:30,">>49545341
Apparently too busy to even TRY to get what they say happened written down? They started churches and shit, right? Certainly someone who attended those wrote and would have wanted to help. Still, wouldn't Jesus have been some big event back then? No one wrote about him at all outside of stories explicitly about him?
The Romans kept very good records. He should be there somewhere, yet all we get are anecdotal stories, many of which seem quite disconnected. (I do need to read the bible at some point, I don't know quite enough to debate these problems)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347710
49535947,49545585,2015-08-12 02:49:17,">>49545518
the dude that argues infinity is impossible? hahahahahaha
>infinity is impossible!
>I believe in god!
Is god infinite?
>doh!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347757
49535947,49545594,2015-08-12 02:49:33,">>49545518
What are you talking about?
Hitchens absolutely annihilates Lane Craig in that debate.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439347773
49535947,49545619,2015-08-12 02:50:15,">>49545128
>The philosophy was their real form all along
That's not actually true, but the philosophy is part of the vehicle, yes. 
>>49545221
>All the alleogorical stuff is ok but once all sense of historicity is gone, so is the God of Christianity itself. There is nothing left but a mental projection of this god.
This is why the statement isn't true. Taking God out of Christianity destroys Christianity. I think obsessing over removing anything remotely related to Christianity, such as philosophy inspired by it, is a dumb idea for an atheist.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439347815
49535947,49545648,2015-08-12 02:50:57,">>49545394
Why construct an ""infinite, eternal source of existence"" just because you're in awe of reality?
>""I feel really fucking awesome when I contemplate the mind boggling space and time scales in the universe""
I feel you, the universe is astonishing and awe inspiring.
>""so there must be an infinite whatever source of existence""
There doesn't have to be one.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439347857
49535947,49545657,2015-08-12 02:51:06,">>49544957
Wolfshiem doing damage control? He only does that when Skeptics come into the fray. When it is all Christians there he too joins the flame war. To be fair to him, he is smart and does have quite a number of useful things to say. He may very well be the Christian General's version of Aquinas.
I think that sect fighting is ridiculous because once we analyze the history of Christianity, only two branches of Christianity remains as valid candidates, Catholicism and Orthodoxy. It's also quite fun to join in the flame war, cite some scholarly work that refutes the beliefs of the Protestant and watch him/her say ""muh Sola Scriptura"". It's so fun I can't stop whenever it happens. I'm sorry if this makes you lose all respect for me but I really cannot resist doing such a thing :(
Anyways, Christianity is a dying creature. It still lives and breeds but the day will eventually come when it dies. Only Catholicism and Orthodoxy have the capability of avoiding this fate but Catholicism is stripping herself nude and letting the world fuck her over. Orthodoxy just seems too small to even do anything since most don't give two shits about them.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439347866
49535947,49545658,2015-08-12 02:51:07,">>49545323
Eye witness testimony doesn't bother you when there are only a few eyewitnesses you have to rely on and they have conflicting narratives?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347867
49535947,49545718,2015-08-12 02:52:41,">>49545233
I'm sorry, I'm tired and I'm not thinking clearly. What do you mean? Do you mean which book is absolutely historical, and that this books historicity is what validates the historicity of the rest?",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439347961
49535947,49545727,2015-08-12 02:52:58,">>49545594
Wow. did you actually watch it, or are you actually that blinded by ideology? I watched that when I was an atheist, and knew hitchens got BTFO",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439347978
49535947,49545748,2015-08-12 02:53:40,">be athiest
>have 7yo daughter
>never taught her god was or wasn't real
>exposed her to a bunch of pleb level science videos on youtube which don't have the balls to make the claim that god doesn't fucking exist
>today she said something about how people believe God all this shit, but that it was really rocks and asteroids and stuff, and they killed the dinosaurs, and then we came.""
>i told her ""pretty much but it's a little more complicated than that"" and also to be respectful of other people's beliefs.
Rate my fatherhood /pol/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348020
49535947,49545758,2015-08-12 02:53:52,">>49545585
>not understanding the concept of god. 
How deluded are you? You really shouldn't be here, if you can't grasp the concept of God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348032
49535947,49545761,2015-08-12 02:53:54,Funny how when Dawkins got thrashed when he confronted a fellow biologist compared to the caricatures that he normally dredges up.,,A better scientist,,,NZ,,1439348034
49535947,49545822,2015-08-12 02:55:25,">>49545269
Light literally doesn't experience space or time, it exists on the boundary between the two.
That's probably a terrible explanation of special relativity, though. I'm really tired. Those of you who've ever seen a light cone diagram will know what I mean.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439348125
49535947,49545840,2015-08-12 02:55:49,">>49545748
Do you want your daughter to be a whore? Do some research into religion beyond Hitch and Black Science man. Christ, man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348149
49535947,49545842,2015-08-12 02:55:50,">>49545561
This is why the Dead Sea Scrolls were so damaging to Christianity. They were the one surviving document that actually talked about what life was like in the time when Jesus would be preaching in all the places he would have visited?
Do you know what it said about Jesus? Take a guess?
[spoiler:lit]Nothing. nothing at all, if he did exist nothing he did was worth writing down [/spoiler:lit]
A good video to understand the historical jesus is this. It looks at each book of the bible's version of Jesus starting with the youngest and going to the oldest. In the early one Jesus does not miracles at all, the later ones written way after anyone from Jesus's time would have died is where he starts doing all the crazy things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKAHoYCWXF8",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439348150
49535947,49545851,2015-08-12 02:56:24,">>49545727
Yes. I watched that and many other debates involving both speakers.
Lane Craig's central cosmological argument is a ludicrous case of special pleading as well as making some extremely dodgy claims about the concept of infinity.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439348184
49535947,49545859,2015-08-12 02:56:34,">>49545512
You might not want to believe this but the name's already taken by a Fedora on You Tube. It's such an awesome name and now we have a Christian counterpart to him.
So the Jewish Tradition was wrong since it is multiple authors that wrote them. 
>I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
There's just one problem with this, a lot of people claim to do so but their conception of this god are different from one another. The Muslims and Jews claim this as well! Christians who claim this have different conceptions of him too!
Give me an example of some of the evidence for the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.
 >My belief in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is rooted in more than a pure analysis of the natural world.
Necessarily so given should we follow Aquinas' Five Ways, we don't really know if such a God is Triune or not. Thus more is needed to show that this God is really the ""god of Abraham, Issac and Jacob""",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439348194
49535947,49545865,2015-08-12 02:56:44,">>49545822
You're more correct on this than you are on anything else.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439348204
49535947,49545874,2015-08-12 02:56:53,">>49545394
>source of all existence
That implies it is something outside of the normal rules of existence which is what supernatural means.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348213
49535947,49545919,2015-08-12 02:58:16,">>49545840
>fundy girls don't turn out to be a whores
nice try",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348296
49535947,49545978,2015-08-12 02:59:59,">>49545851
I find that hard to believe. 
Hitchens' argument
>Yes, but CHRISTIANITY DID BAD THINGS
>I HAVE A BRITISH ACCENT
>IM GOING TO IGNORE YOU'RE REALLY STRONG ARGUMENT. 
Hitchens was never the intellectual that Craig is. Honestly, they shouldn't have been on the same stage. 
> some extremely dodgy claims about the concept of infinity.
explain",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348399
49535947,49545979,2015-08-12 02:59:59,">>49545554
TENETS, man, TENETS. There's only one N.
The tenets of morality, as well as civil conduct, may be found in the Law, the rough framework of which was laid out by Moses. The clarification thereof, Christians believe (and this is what separates Christian morality from Jewish) was given by Jesus Christ. 
The tenets of belief itself may be roughly found in the Nicene creed, clarified by the books of prophesy from the Old Testament.
>Do you think their incompatibility is something that can be undone
Yes, but you won't like my answer to how that will happen.
>I see Christianity as something that is not no longer in control of itself, it is a tool for higher powers for example liberalism. After losing it's political, military, and land owning power the church was doomed to forever just be a puppet of some higher power.
Modern Christianity is. Like I said, we're in the lukewarm age of Christianity. I hope you know what was prophesied to come next, by the way.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439348399
49535947,49546022,2015-08-12 03:01:06,">>49545919
nowhere near the rate of degernate cunt atheist women. It's like you want your daughter to dress in black and cut slit her wrists. You must be a kike.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348466
49535947,49546030,2015-08-12 03:01:19,">>49545561
Simply being literate was a profession at the time. Writing was not common. If you can't accept direct second-hand accounts as valid proof for the mere existence of Jesus, then frankly you have no right to believe most of history actually happened. This sort of burden of proof is ridiculous.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439348479
49535947,49546031,2015-08-12 03:01:20,">>49545727
Shit, is that the one where WLC supports kalam?
The best parts are when he redefines words and then rambles so that there are so many inconsistencies that it's impossible to address them all.
""Now what mister Hitchens really means by X, is Y! and clearly we can see that Z is not possible because precondition Y is not actually met.""",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439348480
49535947,49546082,2015-08-12 03:02:41,">>49545748
Bring your daughter to church before it's too late.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439348561
49535947,49546115,2015-08-12 03:03:35,">>49546031
He makes a scientific and philosophical argument for god. It's strong. He's clear about his argument, and reiterates his central claim countless times. 
Now, perhaps you're right, but it would then be strange that Hitchens doesn't attempt to challenge him.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348615
49535947,49546118,2015-08-12 03:03:42,">>49545761
All he did as a biologist was look at bees, so it's to bee expected.",,St. Rawman,amused frog.jpg,SOk8abnOlaTvlhnceqMr1g==,US,,1439348622
49535947,49546169,2015-08-12 03:05:22,/pol/ Christians. We should make a list of the top 5 silliest atheists. Whatcha think?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348722
49535947,49546187,2015-08-12 03:05:52,">>49545761
Thanks, Cletus!
Its amazing when he got done did like that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348752
49535947,49546190,2015-08-12 03:05:57,">>49545619
Look if Christian philosophy collapses when God disappears you guys have got...I'd say 50 years left. By than nonreligious people will start having the majority vote and Christianity will have virtually no political influence and the laws that favor religion (ie tax exemptions) will start to disappear.
You know what's going to kill the Catholic Church? Two words
Federal Audit!
>>49545657
Malaysia you are the one person on this website that makes my heart go doki-doki. <3
I've fanned the flame wars too. And what's funny is it still works when I keep the tripname on.
Protestants are kind of funny. My family is mostly Protestant. They have no knowledge of church history their understanding goes like this
""Jesus came and everything was great. Than in the year 300 evil people invented the Catholic church. We eventually broke free of their evil control (maybe they know who Luther is, maybe not). Than Christianity returned to the way it was in the beginning""
Your description of what Catholicism does itself sounds like a really hot idea for a Christ-chan doujinshi!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439348757
49535947,49546194,2015-08-12 03:06:00,Work tomorrow. Night fellas.,,Dick Dorkins,1433205459573.jpg,Ow56sovq1hUYGn3nt96Uvw==,US,,1439348760
49535947,49546205,2015-08-12 03:06:19,">>49545978
>Yes, but CHRISTIANITY DID BAD THINGS
You clearly haven't watched the video at all.
As for Craig Lane's argument he claims that infinity is universally decreed by mathematicians to be impossible, which is not accurate at all.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439348779
49535947,49546235,2015-08-12 03:07:12,">>49545859
Well he can go to hell, then. I'm taking it.
>There's just one problem with this, a lot of people claim to do so but their conception of this god are different from one another. The Muslims and Jews claim this as well! Christians who claim this have different conceptions of him too!
My beliefs on that topic are going to be inconvenient for you. Are you sure you want to continue?
>Give me an example of some of the evidence for the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.
The historical collection of documents known as the Bible, as well as the worldwide success of Abrahamic religion as a whole compared to its minuscule origin. 
>Thus more is needed to show that this God is really the ""god of Abraham, Issac and Jacob""
You're not going to like my answer to that, either.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439348832
49535947,49546255,2015-08-12 03:07:47,">>49546190
>into history
Man cannot live without religion. People have been making your claim for 3k years.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348867
49535947,49546257,2015-08-12 03:07:48,">>49546118
Yes he did. As much as I'm not a Dawkins fanboy, he also did other stuff beyond bees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins_bibliography
He also wrote a paper on wasps or something.
Anyways I hope I can into Behavioral Econs after I finish muh undergraduate. I can try to into philosophy of psychology after that. This I pray to the Most Merciful and Most Compassionate Allah!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439348868
49535947,49546272,2015-08-12 03:08:17,">>49546022
> It's like you want your daughter to dress in black and cut slit her wrists.
This is literally my sister in her teen years. 
Before that she was taught to be a fine upstanding fundamentalist christian.
Thanks Christians!
or the devil....
the devil totally exists...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348897
49535947,49546299,2015-08-12 03:09:06,">>49546257
>behavioral econ
Why? What's your undergrad in? into econ. Behavioral econ isn't econ.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439348946
49535947,49546302,2015-08-12 03:09:11,">>49546190
>Look if Christian philosophy collapses when God disappears you guys have got...I'd say 50 years left. By than nonreligious people will start having the majority vote and Christianity will have virtually no political influence and the laws that favor religion (ie tax exemptions) will start to disappear.
I know that, and I actually think it's inevitable in the west. I've begun to prepare for it.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439348951
49535947,49546323,2015-08-12 03:09:55,">>49546257
You missed my pun.",,St. Rawman,2frog4u.png,BHMBxPu7/pSpbeixM1GP7g==,US,,1439348995
49535947,49546344,2015-08-12 03:10:38,">>49546169
If you want to compare retards you are going to lose so fucking hard.
This is my pick for top 'stupidest Christian' His name is Chris-chan he has an entire Wikipedia devoted to his stupidity.",,OuterLimits,OnNb4n81.jpg,pjQvfSv7o4d2ur9D/hJPYQ==,US,,1439349038
49535947,49546373,2015-08-12 03:11:39,">>49546115
Except that it is not a very good argument.
He's fucked because causation is contingent upon a universe that contains a dimension of time, which he freely admits.
To say ""well there's an extemporal agent then!"" is the same thing as you playing superheroes and when you totally fuck up your friend with an attack, he says ""I HAD A SHIELD!!!"" after the fact and skips all the way to the water fountain.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439349099
49535947,49546386,2015-08-12 03:12:11,">>49546272
Dude, you don't know fundies if you think they're more promiscuous/prone to degeneracy than atheists. M8, look around. You're on /pol/, so I assume you're not completely devoid of cultural feelers. It has nothing to do with the veracity of either belief, and every to do with what each belief means. Would you prefer your daughter to associate with kikes and feminists or conservatives? Be honest. She's your daughter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349131
49535947,49546414,2015-08-12 03:13:23,">>49545840
my first gf grew up fundie. She thought NASA proved the bible was real by dating moon rocks as only a few thousand years old and other shit.
She would take it in the ass like a fucking pornstar while keeping her vaginal virginity in check",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349203
49535947,49546419,2015-08-12 03:13:38,">>49546344
unlike Christians, atheists believe that mental illness exists.",,Anonymous,55351204448880170149706.jpg,Y3vRZV1vz9rLniUG5BY2Dw==,US,,1439349218
49535947,49546449,2015-08-12 03:14:44,">>49546386
I'm not a true Christian. I do believe in God because I think the evidence points to a creator, but I recognize as a Christian because I see the cultural importance. Dude, you can just bring her to a presbyterian church or something like that. They don't really believe, anyway.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349284
49535947,49546467,2015-08-12 03:15:22,">>49546302
Well if you ever feel like not being a paranoid doom-seeker you can always make friends with Fedora-chan
Or you can talk to Malaysia about agnosticism or deism those are good too",,OuterLimits,Rgj8fDK - Imgur.png,FDiUCNoTU70YzQGs1Uqbzg==,US,,1439349322
49535947,49546474,2015-08-12 03:15:40,">>49546235
>My beliefs on that topic are going to be inconvenient for you. Are you sure you want to continue?
Yes continue. Down the rabbit hole we go!
>The historical collection of documents known as the Bible, as well as the worldwide success of Abrahamic religion as a whole compared to its minuscule origin. 
Ok, granted the Bible is historical. But there are still problems namely,
a)Genesis Creation Account
b)The Great Flood
Let's keep it at that for now. a) is easily solvable if you see this allegorically and not as a literal plain text
b) is much more problematic since we just don't have any evidence a global flood occurred less than 6000 years ago.
>You're not going to like my answer to that, either
Just let me have it",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439349340
49535947,49546480,2015-08-12 03:15:53,">>49546194
I'm doing the same. I'll come derail your threads again tomorrow or something.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439349353
49535947,49546509,2015-08-12 03:16:38,">>49546030
No, not really. The fact is that we have much better records for many things other than Jesus. The things we would have expected to come from the events of Jesus just aren't there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349398
49535947,49546520,2015-08-12 03:16:54,">>49546419
And that xx chromosomes doesn't make you a woman. And that anti-biological attractions aren't a mental illness. Oh, and that we should listen and believe to women (1/5 lolololol). 
Why can't atheists into critical thought and science?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349414
49535947,49546522,2015-08-12 03:16:57,">>49543936
>implying horsefuckers wont save the White race with our beautiful blonde haired, blue eyed centaur children.",,Anonymous,Twi Garrison.jpg,eVVwBPtoaQG5eRQ2Vhwj5w==,US,,1439349417
49535947,49546558,2015-08-12 03:18:16,">>49546520
The funny thing tho is these have nothing to do with atheism. Or, at least they wouldn't, if atheism wasn't a religion. 
God, you guys are really a bunch of goofballs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349496
49535947,49546596,2015-08-12 03:19:42,">>49546373
The toppest kek about this is the wordplay.
Everything that BEGINS to exist. Begins.
He doesn't say everything that exists. He says everything that begins to exist. Since everything that we KNOW to exist had a beginning except his concept of God, he's already given god a free pass.
So really, any beginningless entity could be real. There could be a cosmic dickbutt predating the definition of time. He didn't create the universe. He watched God create the universe. What's that? Nobody ever said anything about a beginningless, spaceless, timeless dickbutt? It doesn't matter. As long as you claim an entity without beginning, you dodge WLC's bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439349582
49535947,49546600,2015-08-12 03:19:51,">>49541705
>The bible is a historical document
kek the new testament is a book cosmetics, they are pick 4 Books out of 100, if the Bibel is a historical document then are the storys of the Brothers Grimm are so.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439349591
49535947,49546633,2015-08-12 03:20:41,">>49546522
>zigger grave digger
top kek",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1439349641
49535947,49546652,2015-08-12 03:21:14,">>49546386
My sister later got impregnated by a white supremecist. I'm not fucking kidding. he was born before I gratuated high school.
He connected with me a few years ago and then remarked in favor of zimmerman.
I know perfectly well what level of hell i've sunk to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349674
49535947,49546731,2015-08-12 03:23:46,">>49546169
Do atheists get to do a list of the top 5 theists, or top 5 christians? I mean it's gonna be a shitbath for you either way...",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439349826
49535947,49546734,2015-08-12 03:23:48,">>49545978
""infinity isn't even real fam""
""oh shit except when you talk about God lmao""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439349828
49535947,49546763,2015-08-12 03:24:34,">>49546474
>Yes continue. Down the rabbit hole we go!
Very well. All men are wrong, only God is right. This is the same answer to the question about sects as well. 
My epistemological view of some things is different from most people. I treat theology internally as sort of a human attempt to understand and explain God, sort of akin to how scientific models are developed to explain reality. The theological details do not completely explain God, just as developed models do not really explain reality in a complete way. That's one reason I don't see theology differences as a major issue among sects.
That being said, my complete answer to this is as follows: don't worry, God will fix it. Assuming, for your sake, God is real and Jesus is legitimately the Messiah He sent, the return of Jesus will essentially fix the fracturing of the Abrahamic faiths, as Christians and Muslims are required by their religion to do what he says and Jews will just have to admit he was the Messiah the first time around. Thus I don't worry about it in the broad sense, as long as we aren't killing each other and are being moral and keeping God's law.
Ok, that's it, I'm seriously exhaused now. One more post and I'm out for real.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439349874
49535947,49546800,2015-08-12 03:25:49,">>49546600
Go be an autistic German in some other thread.
That's it, I'm out. See you next thread.",,St. Rawman,autism.jpg,Jz6/R+W8JI5Iqyy762hR2g==,US,,1439349949
49535947,49546855,2015-08-12 03:27:43,"Daily reminder, that ""atheism"" is code word for ""cultural marxism"" and ""anti-white"".",,Anonymous,,,KZ,,1439350063
49535947,49546936,2015-08-12 03:30:24,">>49546855
Based Kazakhstan
too bad Borat was a dirty jew and not the real deal",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439350224
49535947,49546938,2015-08-12 03:30:26,">>49546763
If i'm thinking of a number between one and ten, and I ask a thousand people, will all the people get it wrong and God will get it right?
>theological modelling
But you don't treat theology like you say you do. You treat theology as an attempt to understand a supernatural thing, but then use your particular holy book and particular god claims as evidence for that supernatural thing, because you presuppose their truth.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439350226
49535947,49547028,2015-08-12 03:34:05,">>49546299
Business with Econs(I'm focusing more on the Econs aspects for my second year though)
>Behavioral econ isn't econ.
I know, it's psychology but it's so interesting. I don't want to miss out on it since I can into it at graduate level 
Am I degenerate for desiring this?
>>49546190
y-you too OuterLimits chan :3
I totally agree with what you said. It's hilarious to see their ignorance of history or how they would simply shove it away when you give the history to them. Should they read all about the Ante Nicene church fathers, they would be shocked to see how they are all more closer to the Catholicism they despised so much. 
>Your description of what Catholicism does itself sounds like a really hot idea for a Christ-chan doujinshi!
I Too bad it wouldn't be allowed on /pol/ drawthreads though.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439350445
49535947,49547101,2015-08-12 03:36:51,">>49546938
So you assume the truth of both the supernatural things, and then one specific explanation.
""I believe in supernatural things. The supernatural claims in the bible are true because there are one or two physically historically accurate passages in the bible. That means the whole thing is true. From this, I can bolster my belief in supernatural things and attribute them to a being called god, that this accurate and historically factual book mentions at length. What's that? you disagree with the supernatural claims of the bible? But since the bible has a couple historically accurate physical things in it, that entirely validates the metaphysical. Because you can't prove the nonexistence of the metaphysical or supernatural.""",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439350611
49535947,49547164,2015-08-12 03:39:05,">>49547028
Lets get a Mohammad-chan and draw him as a woman getting plowed by a Jew",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439350745
49535947,49547180,2015-08-12 03:39:41,">>49546255
le argument from antiquity face",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439350781
49535947,49547212,2015-08-12 03:40:38,">>49547164
I really want a tsunderere, spoiled Jewish loli
""you G-goyim!""
""GIVE ME SHEKELS""
She'd be like Umara-chan but less lazy and more evil",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439350838
49535947,49547217,2015-08-12 03:40:51,,,Anonymous,1417035347733.jpg,OVISD0YJyeuSo/DUJQ2L7g==,GB,,1439350851
49535947,49547275,2015-08-12 03:42:47,">>49546763
>Very well. All men are wrong, only God is right. This is the same answer to the question about sects as well. 
So then how do we know which sect or sects are right? I mean ok, God is right so which God is the God that is right? Which sect is the one that is correct and worship this God who is right?
Ok so basically theology has some similarities to science that is to uncover what God is and gain some understanding of him. The problem is unlike science where should our understanding be wrong, we wouldn't suffer eternal damnation. In matters of theology, the wrong understanding of God will get you to hell for you worship not the true god but a mere construct of human ideas. This is not a problem should we know which theological idea is right. The problem is that we don't and this means every Christian is gambling by subscribing to a particular theological idea. If they are right, they shall be eternally rewarded. Should they be wrong, they risk damnation or perhaps they wouldn't if Calvinism is true for everyone's fates is all sealed in stone.
So basically in spite of all the contradictory differences and irreconcilable ideas between Judaism, Christianity and Islam, God will somehow fix it. As we see, he ain't doing a particularly good job since we have no solution in sight. God could make our lives easier by pointing out which of all the sects is true and we can go there. He could drop us a hint or two. Otherwise the Gnostics are no different from the Christians.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439350967
49535947,49547303,2015-08-12 03:43:40,">>49545748
to be respectful of other people's beliefs
respectful of other people's beliefs
other people's beliefs
You did more wrong than Hitler.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439351020
49535947,49547395,2015-08-12 03:47:12,">>49547164
Good idea, Muhammad-chan can be a piggu",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439351232
49535947,49547445,2015-08-12 03:48:39,">>49547275
>how do we know which god is right?
Shit answer: revelation.
Less shit answer: we cross reference god concepts against what we already believe, and accept god concepts that are close enough to what we really feel.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439351319
49535947,49547502,2015-08-12 03:50:35,">>49547395
as long as it's a cute pig <3
BTW since you are so good at analyzing theology. What do you think of das Judea and the Islamic? Is there belief system pretty sturdy?",,Anonymous,cute pig.png,n792fLUSun1ndC+gnjh3KQ==,US,,1439351435
49535947,49547511,2015-08-12 03:50:51,">>49545748
just give her to the niggers already why dont you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439351451
49535947,49547533,2015-08-12 03:51:59,">>49547502
nope, Jews and Muslims are evil goat wizards who worship satan",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439351519
49535947,49547555,2015-08-12 03:52:50,">>49535947
THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS SO EUPHORIC
*tips fedora*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439351570
49535947,49547558,2015-08-12 03:52:55,">>49547395
should be a transsexual muslima. What about that singer who has feminine features but still has a beard/facial hair?
She can get banged by a pig if you want. I guess.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439351575
49535947,49547570,2015-08-12 03:53:25,">>49546936
I'm enlightened slav.",,Anonymous,,,KZ,,1439351605
49535947,49547669,2015-08-12 03:56:33,">>49547533
>Jews
Like Jesus, all his disciples and the early Christians
>Muslims 
Who consider Jesus to be the messiah.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439351793
49535947,49547672,2015-08-12 03:56:37,">>49547570
>enlightened
that is autistic for fedora wearing atheist right?",,Anonymous,1429776933670.jpg,KIgz+YAcuk27LyT/ktFnXQ==,US,,1439351797
49535947,49547690,2015-08-12 03:57:16,">>49547669
JIDF please try harder.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439351836
49535947,49547725,2015-08-12 03:58:37,">>49547690
>facts are inconvenient to me",,Anonymous,1430343545436.jpg,YEBGocUV/AeIhigHM7fPrA==,GB,,1439351917
49535947,49547785,2015-08-12 04:01:02,">>49547502
>BTW since you are so good at analyzing theology. 
Y-You really think so? 
>What do you think of das Judea and the Islamic?
I can't really say though I think Judaism's theological ideas are more sensible than the Islamic. 
Most of my adventures into the realm of theology is largely confined within Christianity so I cannot really draw comparisons between Islam and Judaism.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439352062
49535947,49547823,2015-08-12 04:02:23,">>49547558
Well I ain't the one drawing that. Someone make a request at /pol/ drawthread.
My drawings suck balls",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439352143
49535947,49547846,2015-08-12 04:03:06,">>49547725
No im a saying you literally support sandnigger and juden religions, what the fuck is wrong with you anon?",,Anonymous,4440333 _8eacf29dc584d217ff726850be7fdc08.jpg,lyajY4X4ufzZ5poI4bnO6Q==,US,,1439352186
49535947,49547871,2015-08-12 04:04:02,">>49547846
I'm not a Christian.",,Anonymous,1427060071630.jpg,IVkM15ahT3AFAwpd+wHjxw==,GB,,1439352242
49535947,49547879,2015-08-12 04:04:34,">>49547785
Sure, your pretty good at analyzing. Compared to debating Christians there are a lot of areas you go into that they have mental blocks on. You also sort of help me with philosophy, I know if I make any sort of contradiction or ungrounded leap you'll catch it for me =p
You.
Me.
Wolfshiem
we should like do an internet radio church thing or something.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439352274
49535947,49547934,2015-08-12 04:06:31,">>49547871
are you a sandnigger or jew or even a heathen?? in EUROPE!
kill yourself faggot",,Anonymous,1402667961934.jpg,kKCnCz7xDMQenz2KPH++2w==,US,,1439352391
49535947,49547939,2015-08-12 04:06:46,">https://books.google.it/books?id=k8IhDd70eG0C&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=sephiroth+zohar+physics&source=bl&ots=__ojz1x51n&sig=ip85E1Hc8ANYzLKdmvMGW2-SyDc&hl=it&sa=X&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAGoVChMIy-bgpYejxwIVhEoUCh31xA8e#v=onepage&q=sephiroth%20zohar%20physics&f=false
YESSSS GOOD GOYIM, ATHEISM IS TRULY THE WAY, BE AN ENLIGHTENED GOY AND DON'T READ ALL THOSE SUPERSTITIOUS BOOKS, HEHE",,Anonymous,99787986986986.jpg,CPs9PXd7a+pDBYOfrYGDVA==,IT,,1439352406
49535947,49547969,2015-08-12 04:08:03,"Daily reminder that Dawkins is a fag-enabling cuck.
Kill yourselves, redditards.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1439352483
49535947,49548016,2015-08-12 04:09:17,">>49547934
>Middle Eastern apocalyptic cults 
>European
Pick one.",,Anonymous,Enjoy_life.jpg,nFN88J/rGh8/T95FLakNhQ==,GB,,1439352557
49535947,49548071,2015-08-12 04:11:05,">>49548016
>der hurr im following pagan gods now
>forget that those religions died out a long time ago.
all atheists are faggot enablers and nigger lovers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439352665
49535947,49548092,2015-08-12 04:11:39,">>49537665
Its incredibly useful, the same as [local sports team] and nationalism, as a means of control and distraction from actual, real issues and problems that might otherwise motivate people to better themselves.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439352699
49535947,49548161,2015-08-12 04:14:06,">>49548071
I'll take this as a clear admission that this is correct...
>Jews
Like Jesus, all his disciples and the early Christians
>Muslims 
Who consider Jesus to be the messiah.
Last chance to say something solid against this kid.",,Anonymous,Christianity1.jpg,RkSeQFV+GdOMkx0nlXFP1Q==,GB,,1439352846
49535947,49548213,2015-08-12 04:16:02,">>49547879
wow....t-thanks anon. 
That internet radio show idea is actually kinda good. I want OuterLimits to be in it too though.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439352962
49535947,49548231,2015-08-12 04:16:44,">>49540755
The original comic is using a common misconception about T-Rex vision caused by Jurassic Park the movie + the silly religious bullshit to poke fun at them and have a T-Rex God.
You should relax and learn how humor works instead of trying to crucify anti-religionists and then look aweful stupid or out of touch because you cant understand a simple joke.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439353004
49535947,49548233,2015-08-12 04:16:51,">>49535947
atheists are fatties
prove me wrong
post your body fat percentage",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439353011
49535947,49548313,2015-08-12 04:19:13,">>49541989
>and that horrible feeling that life is empty
That comes from modern western society being based on money and aquisition of material weatlh, not from people thinking god doesnt exist therefor there is no meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439353153
49535947,49548321,2015-08-12 04:19:24,">>49548161
>Jews
they are called the ""Synagogue of Satan"" over and over in the Bible even in revelations it says ""i shall make of you a synagogue of satan""
>Muslims
Mohammad was a dirty, illiterate pedophile. anything he said should be immediately disregarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439353164
49535947,49548324,2015-08-12 04:19:27,">>49548213
Sorry i had the trip code off. You were talking to me.
I should actually ask Wolfsheim about it. Actually wtf would we talk about?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439353167
49535947,49548372,2015-08-12 04:21:27,">>49548324
nigga you gay",,fuckingnamefagnormiesgetoffmyboard,,,US,,1439353287
49535947,49548397,2015-08-12 04:22:05,">>49548071
>atheists are pagans now, according to anon
Nope.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439353325
49535947,49548414,2015-08-12 04:22:40,">>49535947
Atheists trying to redefine agnosticism just because their god admitted he was an aggy.
We currently do not know either way. Just sat here waiting for more information.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439353360
49535947,49548421,2015-08-12 04:22:50,">>49548233
>prove me wrong
Unlucky my 'big boned' friend
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/christians-are-more-likely-be-fat-atheists-1480732",,Anonymous,lol20.gif,lnBaGDjcSN5S9IvZw1ieIQ==,GB,,1439353370
49535947,49548466,2015-08-12 04:24:49,">>49536072
>i brought religion up again during an unrelated conversation today
>people said whatever they felt they had to to get the autist to go away",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439353489
49535947,49548498,2015-08-12 04:25:53,"You guys act the same, you all go to starbucks with your manpurse and toy poodle.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439353553
49535947,49548559,2015-08-12 04:28:32,"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM
Watch this butthurt atheists",,Anonymous,1436094472851.jpg,f9vWb42hvQUxVLYi6lz7Ew==,US,,1439353712
49535947,49548567,2015-08-12 04:28:59,">>49548321
>Mohammad was a dirty, illiterate pedophile
Who thought Jesus was the messiah.
>they are called the ""Synagogue of Satan"" over and over in the Bible even in revelations
You mean ONLY in Revelation and it does not say Jews are the synagogue of Satan it says that about false Jews.
Let's see what Rabbi Jesus told his fellow Jew disciples to do...
>These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
Matthew 10 5:8",,Anonymous,62049_1.jpg,EQV/MO/vKCTvbmzVdPgzAw==,GB,,1439353739
49535947,49548649,2015-08-12 04:32:10,">atheist
>automatically intellectually superior to theists
you people are just marveling in your own glory",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439353930
49535947,49548694,2015-08-12 04:34:03,">>49548324
Oh, I thought you were some random anon who recognized my posts at Christian Generals
>I should actually ask Wolfsheim about it. Actually wtf would we talk about?
Yes this is a good idea. 
Guess we can talk about how the Catholic Church is being cucked by liberals and the Pope.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439354043
49535947,49548717,2015-08-12 04:35:01,">>49548559
I've actually been waiting for someone to post this because I have a pretty good counter arguement.
Leibinizian basically uses something called Coercive Logic. Coercive Logic used properly can get the reader to accept ANYTHING YOU WANT as true. A common way to do is to abuse conjuctions to force the reader to accept something you just made up as true by associating with something that is already true.
Here is Outlimit's Coercive Logic
Statement 1. 2+2=4 and you will become my slave
That's it. Is statement 1 true? If you can figure out how to not become my slave than take that exact same logic and apply it to Leinizians's statement number 2 and you will have broke that too =p",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439354101
49535947,49548759,2015-08-12 04:36:45,">>49548567
>Rabbi Jesus
kek
have any more stuff /int/?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354205
49535947,49548771,2015-08-12 04:37:21,">>49548559
>special pleading fallacy",,Anonymous,1388019248708.jpg,OeYTCF2hHH8kfi29YDqo8A==,GB,,1439354241
49535947,49548805,2015-08-12 04:39:08,">>49548559
The reasoning for why it couldn't be a necessary substance as opposed to a necessary being is terrible.
It's much more parsimonious to assume that the universe was a result of a substance that naturally produces reactions that can create universes than to assume that an all powerful disembodied mind did it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354348
49535947,49548817,2015-08-12 04:39:45,">>49548759
I gave you one last chance and you blew it.",,Anonymous,1391260039433.jpg,3dAavUo+FmuiaRaOuqnjXQ==,GB,,1439354385
49535947,49548859,2015-08-12 04:41:18,">>49548717
There's nothing coercive about the Principle of Sufficient Reason",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354478
49535947,49548892,2015-08-12 04:42:37,">>49548771
There's no special pleading, the necessary being is NON CONTINGENT and necessary.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354557
49535947,49548915,2015-08-12 04:43:28,">>49548817
Blew what? you sperging on a keyboard? no thanks bong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354608
49535947,49548932,2015-08-12 04:43:59,"I'm curious, what do you think about free will? That fedora horseman Sam Harris argues that it doesn't exist but I know some atheists think that it does. (On somewhat related note, I the ""four horsemen"" for some reason. Hitchens was the only one I could stand, but only because he was the only one who seemed like a human. Harris is the worst, he's creepy as fuck)",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1439354639
49535947,49548943,2015-08-12 04:44:37,">>49548892
>There's no special pleading
It's either a solid logical argument based on everything having a cause or it is not.
You can't have it both ways, that is special pleading.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439354677
49535947,49548953,2015-08-12 04:44:53,">>49548932
*I don't like",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1439354693
49535947,49548969,2015-08-12 04:45:32,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,oMzCU/rbfDYP7XksVgSGiQ==,US,,1439354732
49535947,49548995,2015-08-12 04:46:25,">>49548932
I don't think free will has a coherent definition that you could seriously argue exists.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439354785
49535947,49549042,2015-08-12 04:48:08,">>49548969
Islam can go fuck itself and Jews mostly keep to themselves as far as religion is concerned so there's not that much use talking about it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354888
49535947,49549066,2015-08-12 04:48:54,"These threads always go the same way. In a few years, you'll all realise what any sane man realised years ago:
Anyone who proclaims loudly that they're right, and you're wrong is a DICKHEAD. 
Any Christian scientist worth their salt downplays their faith, and even Dawkins claims agnosticism now. They do they because they have realised this one simple fact.
/pol/, as usual, falls behind.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439354934
49535947,49549074,2015-08-12 04:49:06,">>49548943
Only timeless and non contingent things do not need a cause. God is that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439354946
49535947,49549096,2015-08-12 04:50:02,">>49549074
>Only timeless and non contingent things do not need a cause.
Special pleading.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439355002
49535947,49549106,2015-08-12 04:50:25,">>49549042
good luck telling 84% of the population to kill themselves",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439355025
49535947,49549216,2015-08-12 04:54:09,">>49549106
what the fuck are you talking about",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439355249
49535947,49549240,2015-08-12 04:54:47,"Simple proof God exists:
God causes me to feel joy.
I feel joy.
A physical effect cannot have a non-physical cause
Therefore God is a physical cause.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439355287
49535947,49549283,2015-08-12 04:56:19,">>49549240
>in this moment I am euphoric",,Anonymous,lol15.jpg,Pu/OO1O0pgzK3zFlOk9bxw==,GB,,1439355379
49535947,49549291,2015-08-12 04:56:34,">>49548016
>this pic
>humanism
Fuck no. These people don't understand what humanism is, if they think alienating and hating on the vast majority of the world's population is somehow humanism.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439355394
49535947,49549292,2015-08-12 04:56:34,">>49549096
You dumbass if its contingent then it causes infinite regress. eg. What created God? What created that? ect....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439355394
49535947,49549347,2015-08-12 04:58:53,">>49549292
Have you considered the possibility that the universe always existed?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439355533
49535947,49549389,2015-08-12 05:00:24,">>49541615
Read Camus.",,Anonymous,albert-camus.jpg,WeIx9PIq6GP5wciLbD4vkg==,NL,,1439355624
49535947,49549416,2015-08-12 05:01:25,">>49549347
Then why can't this apply to God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439355685
49535947,49549420,2015-08-12 05:01:39,">>49548559
ok, so God exists. But there's a problem,
Who is he?
Allah? Brahman? Adi Buddha? Ahura Mazda? Demiurge? Yahweh of Judaism? Triune Yahweh of Christianity? or a deistic deity or something else all together?
To simply stop and claim that this necessary being is the Triune God of Christianity would be bullcrap. Work must be done to show how this is him.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439355699
49535947,49549454,2015-08-12 05:02:53,">>49549416
Why can't it apply to a necessary substance?
Because the video sure as hell didn't prove that it can't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439355773
49535947,49549478,2015-08-12 05:03:47,">>49549292
Indeed but maybe the universe is circular. As easy to postulate based on no evidence as your god and does not require anything to exist outside of space and time.
And if you are claiming that your god exists out of space and time, why not multiple other beings, unless you are special pleading of course.
What about a non-sentient force that exists outside of space and time?
If the supernatural can exist and not everything needs a cause then the whole argument falls down in the first place as a logical argument, unless you are, guess what, special pleading.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439355827
49535947,49549529,2015-08-12 05:05:45,">>49549283
You fags are gonna feel like shit when you realise that time is cyclical.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439355945
49535947,49549640,2015-08-12 05:09:12,">>49549529
Time could very well be cyclical my euphoric friend.",,Anonymous,Christians4.jpg,BG614YlS7+XkvhzF+LGWAQ==,GB,,1439356152
49535947,49549679,2015-08-12 05:10:53,">>49549416
The only validate argument for God is so he can create the universe. If the universe already existed there is no reason to have a God. Even if he did exist he would have existed inside the universe and be bound by all it's natural laws.
He would be no God at all just another creature.
And apart from that your religion would be a lie, because your religion says the universe did have a start.
>>49549389
Camus is for faggots. Read Nietzsche. 
They made me read camus in highschool. I started lauging cuz it's just a book by a loser for other losers.
The teacher was like ""No stop laughing this is serious! Life is very confusing and nobody knows what to do with it! It's meaningless and absurd""
I told the teacher if life is so meaningless and absurd he should just give me all his money and worldly possessions. He cried and cried and agree'd to. I'm still living in house today.
That's what happens when you read Camus. You become homless!",,OuterLimits,1437272165146.png,sHuqFO9YIuqee8NikIDQDw==,US,,1439356253
49535947,49549713,2015-08-12 05:11:59,">>49549640
>time is cyclical
>God is the most powerful soul to be formed in the crucible of life
Pretty simple, when you think this over.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439356319
49535947,49549990,2015-08-12 05:22:24,">>49549679
>I told the teacher if life is so meaningless and absurd he should just give me all his money and worldly possessions. He cried and cried and agree'd to. I'm still living in house today.
Did he drop his chalk as well?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439356944
49535947,49550002,2015-08-12 05:22:55,">>49549679
First of all I'm deist/atheist.
And you seem to be saying that God only exists to make the universe. In a theistic religious sense that makes sense but in a deistic sense why does God have to exist to do anything?
>>49549454
I'm not saying it can't but believing that the universe always existed but saying that god can't have always existed is doublethink.
Also the whole argument is based on the universe's existence being necessary. What the hell does that even mean in the first place?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439356975
49535947,49550105,2015-08-12 05:26:26,">>49550002
Also I just wanted to add that atheists and theists/deists just believe the same thing in regards to the infinite regression but draw a different line.
Atheist: the universe always existed
Theist: god always existed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439357186
49535947,49550143,2015-08-12 05:27:52,">>49549478
>>49549347
Btw I'm an atheist as well I'm simply arguing their points.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439357272
49535947,49550163,2015-08-12 05:28:33,">>49549713
Are you saying that life is even more powerful than God who will soon have to die, so God can be created?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439357313
49535947,49550295,2015-08-12 05:33:28,">>49549990
I should make a full copy pasta",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439357608
49535947,49550862,2015-08-12 05:55:42,">>49550163
No, God doesn't die. God is created at the end of the universe to govern the next.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439358942
49585922,49585922,2015-08-12 20:04:42,"Discuss atheism, philosophy relevant to atheism, analyze religion.
>Why do you have these threads? See the FAQ
>How can you have meaning/value without a God? The idea that one needed a God to give their life meaning is uniquely Christian. The Greeks too had Gods but they did not give 'meaning' they just commanded the forces of nature. It is up to humans to make their own meaning and it seemed to serve society very well until Christendom 
Discussions questions:
*Why are Semetic religions seemingly so much worst than other religions?
*What philosophy applicable to atheism have you looked at?
Links in following post",Atheism General,OuterLimits,UB9ZoeC - Imgur.png,P9PdcK066Gm2W5QltAwNww==,US,,1439409882
49585922,49585951,2015-08-12 20:05:25,"-THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
-VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
-BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
-PROFILES OF RELIGIONS
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
Includes profiles for various religions. Also lists a few religions we find
compatible such as Deism, Pure Agnosticism, and non-superstitious spirituality.
-NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
-SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
-STUPID IDEAS IN ATHEISM
http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
There are a lot of misconceptions atheists spout ie 'all babies are born atheist'. This lists them.
-ASSORTED ESSAYS
7 Reasons to be an Atheist *new*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
Response to Theists Free Will Argument
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0 *new*
-FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the lulz, atheist humor anything else irrelevant we can think of.
-IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more!
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,1437343973367.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1439409925
49585922,49586006,2015-08-12 20:06:27,"*****UPDATE:
*New Art!
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ about Aquinas is added!
*The History and Literary Analysis part of our videos have 4 great new videos: one on the evolution of Satan, one on the evolution of Jesus, one on the plagiarism in Noah's Ark, and one on Nietzsche's literature analysis of Jesus, a historical Jesus.
*An Index Has been added to the Fun stuff & religion's profile section",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439409987
49585922,49586358,2015-08-12 20:13:28,">>49585922
You fucked up the green text 
>>49585951
You should use green text titles like I do. It's easier to read",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439410408
49585922,49586728,2015-08-12 20:20:15,">>49586358
Yeah I don't have any of the old threads archived.
Some of the things in your text though are kind of fucked up, like the stuff about the intrinsic values implies all atheists have them. Intrinsic values are actually more of a religious concept and most atheist philosophies relay on extrinsic values.
Also the structure of the bins changed a little.",,OuterLimits,thumb.jpg,zDNVczH3suV14kpUINJG+w==,US,,1439410815
49585922,49586921,2015-08-12 20:24:03,">>49586728
>the stuff about the intrinsic values implies all atheists have them.
>most atheist philosophies relay on extrinsic values.
Looks like you're the only one trying to assign a certain philosophy to all atheists. 
Also, you failed to even link my secular humanism paste. 
4chan has an archive of all recent threads http://boards.4chan.org/pol/archive",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439411043
49585922,49587293,2015-08-12 20:31:52,">>49586921
Mentioning intrinsic value systems and not even mentioning alternatives is kind of pushy. A better thing would be just to say atheists can have value systems without specifying the type. You might as well say all atheists do or do not believe in free will.
Anyway sorry about the page fuck up, im not normally the one to maintain the threads.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439411512
49585922,49587340,2015-08-12 20:32:52,,,Anonymous,atheism.webm,IMVYvSdD75A13I3w8KZBQQ==,GB,,1439411572
49585922,49587428,2015-08-12 20:34:37,">>49587293
I do? Are you talking about my FAQ? All I do is link some articles on secular ethics and value systems. It's a mixed bag",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439411677
49585922,49587792,2015-08-12 20:41:53,">>49585951
>http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Just a quick post to notify about typos in the FAQ (not going to specify the dropped punctuation in the beginning of it).
Line 21
>the more you most exert yourself
The more you *must exert yourself
Line 22
>there is a powerful,undetectable, thing
Need a space between powerful and undetectable.
Same line
>how well you fellow a couple hundred pages of instructions
how well you *follow a couple hundred . . .",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439412113
49585922,49588139,2015-08-12 20:49:03,">>49585951
Line 57 twice:
>any didndudo
any didndu or didndu nuffins
Line 61:
>Aren't Atheists all Autestic?
Aren't Atheists all Autistic?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439412543
49585922,49588222,2015-08-12 20:51:05,"I am a nihilist, there is no meaning in life and the only reason i havent killed myself is because of the life extending habits i formed before realizing nihilism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439412665
49585922,49588299,2015-08-12 20:52:45,">>49588222
>the only reason i havent killed myself 
That's bullshit. The moment you realise what keeps you alive is just before you make the decision to commit suicide.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439412765
49585922,49588510,2015-08-12 20:56:48,">>49588299
Your probably right, i, the truth is that im just not well medicated and in good circumstances so its easier to just hope that in the end nobody else is of any value either",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439413008
49585922,49588512,2015-08-12 20:56:49,"Woe to those who go to great depths
 to hide their plans from the Lord,
who do their work in darkness and think,
 “Who sees us? Who will know?”
You turn things upside down,
 as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it,
 “You did not make me”?
Can the pot say to the potter,
 “You know nothing”?
-Isaiah 29 verse 15:16
There is one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus is the messiah He sent.",,St. Rawman,allahu ackbar.jpg,Oy9kLd6W1S87nRxHRVLjlA==,US,,1439413009
49585922,49588547,2015-08-12 20:57:19,">>49587792
>>49588139
Thank you I'll fix them later
>>49588222
A whiny, limp-wristed, French, proffessor and post modern artist was teaching a class on Albert Camus, a known loser.
""Before class begins, you must get on your knees and acknowledge that life is absurd and meaningless and thank Albert Camus for telling us this""
At this moment, a brave, life-affriming, exenstialist student who had read every book by Nietzche and understood the value of self-made goals started lauging.
The faggotry proffessor screamed ""Why are you laughing this serious! Nothing is worthless living for, it's like pushing a dildo up an ass hole for eterinity!""
The student replied ""If life is absurd and meaningless as you say.... than you have no reason to not give me all your money and wordly proffessions.""
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Myth of Sisyphus. He threw his wallet and the deed to his house on the floor and stormed of the clasroom crying.
The students applauded and all Zarathustra's eagle and snake flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. 
The student is still living in the professor's house today. This is what happens when you read Camus, you become homeless.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439413039
49585922,49588653,2015-08-12 20:59:27,">>49588547
But I like Camus :(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula_(play)",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439413167
49585922,49588761,2015-08-12 21:01:38,">>49585922
Atheism is the death of morals, and the birth of degeneracy.
It leads to nihilism, relativism, and ultimately to leftism.
If I didn't know most of you are angsty smug teens, I'd wish for your immediate death.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439413298
49585922,49589110,2015-08-12 21:09:15,">>49588761
This tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439413755
49585922,49589155,2015-08-12 21:10:09,">>49588761
>Atheism is the death of morals, and the birth of degeneracy.
/thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439413809
49585922,49589178,2015-08-12 21:10:51,">>49588761
Out every single person that has ever been in any of these threads (and I've been inside EVERY one of them) only 2 identified as nihilists and one we got to change his mind.
As for the leftism. Well that's a Christian problem
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html",,OuterLimits,Jew King.png,hluhOZurQ5lePbJUyaf6zA==,US,,1439413851
49585922,49589266,2015-08-12 21:12:43,">>49589178
>identified as
That terminology has been spoiled by now. But anyway, what do you identify as, out of curiosity?",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439413963
49585922,49589402,2015-08-12 21:16:00,">>49589266
If someone says that they are perfectly happy, have their own meaning, and their own little moral code who the fuck are you to tell them that they are not what they say they are?
""Worship my God or you are a nihilist! No stop you can't be happy without God wtf are you doing? Stop!""
>what do you identify as
You are going to have to get more specific.
Philosophically I like Nietzsche and I consider myself an existentialist (as in humans create their own meaning). Politically I am conservative",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439414160
49585922,49589415,2015-08-12 21:16:12,">>49588761
You're just mad that we base our lives on things that are real rather than fairy tales.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439414172
49585922,49589592,2015-08-12 21:20:43,">>49589402
You're projecting extremely badly. I was talking aside the point about identity politics. You might want to address your kneejerk reactions to specific words.
That being said, I like Kierkegaard. Conservative is general enough to be meaningless.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439414443
49585922,49589663,2015-08-12 21:22:16,">>49589415
Good luck with that
>>49589402
You've implicitly admitted that your views of right and wrong are fundamentally indistinguishable from any other's. Good luck in having any balls and living your life according to that philosophy when you have to humour every other interpretation of morality.
Like I said, almost all of you, leftist scum.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439414536
49585922,49589856,2015-08-12 21:25:52,">>49589592
A:""You cannot have meaning without God""
B:""I don't beleive in god and have meaning
A:""Well that's not real meaning""
I've seen that conversation played hundreds of times before. A lot of Christian resources actually encourage their followers to present that idea and give a ton of strawmans for secular 'meaning'. A lot are tossed around on inspiringphilosophy's youtube channel which is pretty popular
>Kierkegaard
He's pretty good. He was actually an early inspiration from Nietzsche. I think Kierkegaard was the original existentialist.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439414752
49585922,49589982,2015-08-12 21:28:46,">>49589663
Do you even know what existentialism is? It doesn't mean all views are equal or that I have to respect them. If a guy broke into my house I would have zero remorse for shooting him in the face, he may have decided through his own 'meaning' and 'morals' that it's ok to be a burglar but I can also decide it's not ok for him to do that and stay alive.
For fuck sakes existentialism was an idea invented by a Christian.
Please go away and pray to your Shekel God for guidance.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439414926
49585922,49590075,2015-08-12 21:30:54,">>49589856
I was talking about the political meaning of the word conservative, calm down. Seriously,
>>49589592
>You might want to address your kneejerk reactions to specific words.
That's just silly.
And he was, in fact, the original existentialist. A pretty angsty guy all around.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439415054
49585922,49590391,2015-08-12 21:37:26,">>49589982
If everyone comes up with their own little shitty set of principles, life being devoid of any objective meaning, it necessarily results in relativism and subjectivism.
If you want a way around it and still keep your fedora, you might wanna try deontology.
But you're probably too much of a faggot to do it, you child.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439415446
49585922,49591049,2015-08-12 21:50:29,"Where did all the atheists go? 
Y'all were entertaining last night.",,St. Rawman,1433792047001.jpg,4gxr/1M4+h1B4Z0ZPV3CIA==,US,,1439416229
49585922,49591522,2015-08-12 21:59:51,">>49590391
>>49590391
The thing about religion or anything that tries to talk about 'right and wrong' is that nobody fucking agrees on anything. There have been theological debates for centuaires and they can't come up with an objective right and wrong.
The Protestant Church says homosexuality is bad, the Catholic church says that only the sex is bad, the Lutheran church says its ok.
All 3 are supposed to have an objective morality all deriving from the same source. They all read the same bible and get completely different ideas.
Objective my ass. The same is going to be true of ANY morality that tries to tie things into right or wrong.
>>49590075
I don't think the conservatives have an amazing plan just a hundred times better than the liberals. Politically I'm extremely far right leaning minus the religion stuff there's also a few issues I really don't give a shit about like lgbt
>angst
I've heard he was a pretty good guy. I think a lot of people confuse seriousness for being miserable",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439416791
49585922,49592182,2015-08-12 22:12:36,">>49589663
>Good luck with that
BTFO'd",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439417556
49632205,49632205,2015-08-13 15:27:47,"Over the past year, I've transformed from a goofball atheist to a deist. It seems there are a number of people on /pol/ who have had similar experiences. I'd like to hear about them. 
Some questions you might like to answer: 
>What made you an atheist?
>What made you first question atheism?
>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist? 
Atheists welcome, but save the silly memes for atheism general.",Former Atheism General,Anonymous,cs lewis.jpg,xwXnEO3/Jb62/6kuTsbX4g==,US,,1439479667
49632205,49632306,2015-08-13 15:29:45,">cs lewis
but that's clearly john von neumann",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1439479785
49632205,49632365,2015-08-13 15:31:05,">>49632306
>john von neumann
Don't see it",,Anonymous,JohnvonNeumann-LosAlamos.gif,XaIo3dk0/W/+yz+V6YXuWg==,US,,1439479865
49632205,49632693,2015-08-13 15:38:30,Bump for Believers,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439480310
49632205,49632793,2015-08-13 15:40:27,">>49632205
>what made you atheist
all the ex-atheists i know were born into religious families, toyed with the concept for a few years, then jumped back at the first opportunity. ( and of most of them had poor reasons for switching sides both times )
i'd like to see a secular born atheist jump into religion based on reason and logic rather than someone indoctrinated since childhood falling back into old patterns.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439480427
49632205,49632832,2015-08-13 15:41:19,">>49632205
Atheist. Small penis. They no get GF. They get mad at God. They say no God. They put on funny hat. They touch their penis when watching anime cartoon. They become loser. The kill themselves.",,Anonymous,supreme gentlemen.jpg,b6auwrnnYit5oJDf7229vg==,KR,,1439480479
49632205,49632848,2015-08-13 15:41:41,">What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
Could you please stop perpetuating the ""Agnosticism is a middle-man/mutually-exclusive"" meme.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439480501
49632205,49632993,2015-08-13 15:44:38,Atheist. It really blows my mind that people actually believe that there is a god,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439480678
49632205,49633063,2015-08-13 15:45:46,">>49632793
A good friend of mine did about a year and a half ago or so. He's now a fundie.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439480746
49632205,49633106,2015-08-13 15:46:47,">>49632793
I'll give you brief breakdown of my experience. It's bizarre though. 
>born into an areligious family (We went to church on Christmas. Never made my communion, etc.)
>Around 12, my mom became a devout Christian. Started going to church for every week. Did believe
>Around 15, started to get into science. Early stages of atheism. Was pretty much an atheist before age 16
>Around 20, I really wanted to believe in God. Started reading the bible and asking lots of questions. Sadly, I never found answers. I'm still most definitely not a Christian
>In my college years, started delving deep into science and philosophy (and neckbeardism)
>Realized a lot of my scientific assumptions were unfounded, and logic rather weak
>Looked Deeper, kept denying
>Looked Deeper, became agnostic
>Looked Deeper, and became a deist
I continue to do research. My deism is based on:
>Cosmology 
>Quantum Mechanics
>Ontology",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439480807
49632205,49633203,2015-08-13 15:48:42,">>49632848
It's interesting, I can understand where you're coming from. When I was an atheist, I used to get so angry when people had different beliefs from me. I especially hated agnostics, and tried to convince them that they were actually atheists. I think you should ask yourself, why do you hold this sentiment? If you don't believe because you don't think there is evidence, than why concern yourself with people who do believe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439480922
49632205,49633260,2015-08-13 15:49:56,"I just can't get my head round why there even has to be a vague deistic god, although I don't feel strongly about it either way
>something had to create universe
>therefore god
>well what created that then?
>nothing just move along
eh",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439480996
49632205,49633329,2015-08-13 15:51:11,">>49633260
Who created the creator is a weak argument. 
This video explains it pretty well. https://youtu.be/kKKIvmcO5LQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439481071
49632205,49633383,2015-08-13 15:52:27,">>49632832
Good point, brother! Marcus Aurelius realized makes a similar argument in meditations. Which should be required reading for all people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439481147
49632205,49633410,2015-08-13 15:52:54,">>49633260
God is supposed to be eternal. The question is whether it makes any more sense to say there is an eternal being that is the cause of the finite beings than that the finite beings come into being out of nothing, ie, have no causal ground.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439481174
49632205,49633491,2015-08-13 15:54:32,">>49633260
As a follow up, I'm actually a little shocked by people who aren't interested in a creator. If nothing else, does it not concern you that the overwhelming majority of all people who have ever existed have been wildly deluded?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439481272
49632205,49633993,2015-08-13 16:05:30,">>49632793
I did, now I'm a traditional Catholic, my family is confused over this transition but very accepting. I had a similar path as this anon>>49633106 went from atheism to deism, was disappointed in naturalism (specifically abiogenesis) then had a urge to read the Bible (never read it before). I really like the Gospels and what Jesus taught, it made perfect sense on how to live a good life. I suppose the jump from here wasn't entirely logically but truth is truth. What the Church teaches is true, like how contraceptives, pre-marital sex, and sodomy are all evil and lead to the downfall of man and society at large. Studying history re-affirmed my beliefs particularly J.D. Unwin's book Sex and Culture which studies 86 different societies in the last 5000 years. 
All the primitive societies were very promiscuous and the most advanced civilizations throughout the ages all started as a patriarchy with restrictions on sex until they reached their peak and decadence set in where the empires begin to fall. The Greeks did practice sodomy but only near their fall, Babylon had divorce and alimony, the Saxons used to kill adulterers but as they fell they became soft. The pattern always repeats itself, it seems there exists a natural law which humans must follow to elevate ourselves above the beasts of this world. Look at all the people who say ""don't teach abstinence since teens are just going to do it anyway"", if people cannot control their primitive urges how can they build an advanced civilization? This is why current society is falling, sex for pleasure instead of finding a wife and having a family, the Romans had the same problem and had a bachelor tax in the 1st century AD. 
Overall I'm very happy with picking this path, though it was by the grace of God that I was able to do so.
Here's a good website for anyone interested in Catholicism. I found the prayers, especially the Rosary (pray it everyday). http://fisheaters.com/beingcatholic.html",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439481930
49632205,49634335,2015-08-13 16:11:23,">>49633993
>I really like the Gospels and what Jesus taught, it made perfect sense on how to live a good life.
I'm planning on going back and reading them, but am concerned about confirmation bias. I'm not sure I'll be able to look at it objectively. 
> What the Church teaches is true, like how contraceptives, pre-marital sex, and sodomy are all evil and lead to the downfall of man and society at large
Although not being a theist, I absolutely agree, and plan to raise my children in the church.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439482283
49632205,49634374,2015-08-13 16:12:13,">>49633993
>I found the prayers, especially the Rosary (pray it everyday).
Was it hard to pray the first time? I wanted to pray last night, but felt like a dingus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439482333
49632205,49634513,2015-08-13 16:15:01,">>49633329
But isn't that whole argument 'cause and effect don't count for a creator because it's eternal/unknowable, but you can't apply that to the universe in the first place because mumble mumble space-time'? 
>>49633491
That's just humans for you. I don't think religion is any more deluded or lacking in perspective than any other part of people's worldview. If you drop religion people just get equally crazy and self-righteous about something else, what can you do? I'm not a believer but the idea that as soon as you chuck your bible away you're somehow driven by nice clear logic and reason is laughable.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439482501
49632205,49634832,2015-08-13 16:21:20,">>49634335
>>49634374
No person can be entirely objective, you can try all you want but you'll never reach that as a human. But just look at the crumbling Western civilization around you and contrast it with what Jesus and the NT taught and later affirmed by the Catholic Church. 
Yes, it was difficult, I learned the Our Father and Hail Mary prayer before I did the Rosary, it takes only 25 minutes to do 5 decades (1/3) of it. Eventually I worked my way up to the full Rosary. Just ask for conversion and believe it fully with your heart. There's a verse in the Bible about this, ask for conversion with your whole heart and it God will answer. But its important to persevere in prayer, don't expect some quick answer, start by cutting out the sin in your life and pray daily.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439482880
49632205,49634852,2015-08-13 16:21:45,">>49634513
>But isn't that whole argument 'cause and effect don't count for a creator because it's eternal/unknowable, but you can't apply that to the universe in the first place because mumble mumble space-time'? 
Can you clarify? Are you saying that if God is eternal and immaterial than our ideas of cause and effect need not apply? 
>That's just humans for you. I don't think religion is any more deluded or lacking in perspective than any other part of people's worldview. If you drop religion people just get equally crazy and self-righteous about something else, what can you do? I'm not a believer but the idea that as soon as you chuck your bible away you're somehow driven by nice clear logic and reason is laughable.
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. I definitely agree with your point. However, my point was that I find people who don't hypothesize on the existence or non-existence of a creator to be very strange.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439482905
49632205,49634872,2015-08-13 16:22:01,"I started out as a secular atheist. I was raised in a secular household.
I loved watching Dawkins tear people apart when I was in High School and in College
I loved drugs, sex, and parties. Then I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. When I was having a Manic Episode I would hallucinate and have visions with no drugs involved and the images I saw deeply resonated with me. I thought they were beautiful and personal. That lead me to dabble into the occult and seek out writers like Collin Wilson, and Julius Evola.
I began to admire Evola's love of Tradition and I believe now that the society we live in is trash in comparison to societies where god and beauty had more of a central role. The point isn't whether it is true like all the science rage is today. The point is whether it is transcendentally beautiful. The point is uniquely human.
So if you ask me what made the sunset, animals, and stars I will say God. It's not like you can prove me wrong. Even the most hardcore atheists believe in a sort of Pantheism.",,Anonymous,b63c2b301d612489ee568d644ef26e72.jpg,SXnh3rcddXgrZKgoKy2q8g==,US,,1439482921
49632205,49635006,2015-08-13 16:24:52,">>49634832
>No person can be entirely objective
Agreed, but one of my first logical objections to atheism was my belief in objective truth. There is absolutely objective truth. The problem is asymmetric Information. 
>ask for conversion with your whole heart and it God will answer. But its important to persevere in prayer, don't expect some quick answer, start by cutting out the sin in your life and pray daily.
Maybe I'll try this. I do believe I gave an honest effort at age 20. I guess it couldn't hurt to give it another shot. I've matured quite a bit since then.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483092
49632205,49635010,2015-08-13 16:24:58,">>49632205
Why did you become a deist? What is your most convincing argument [to an Atheist]? tl;dr version plz.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439483098
49632205,49635134,2015-08-13 16:27:10,"Grew up in a secular family but went to religious school. I don't think since I was little I ever believe any of the stories, I always assumed people didn't actually took them as fact. I think I never actually believe in any entity so yeah. Also spent my days watching science documentaries and I'm majoring in astrophysics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483230
49632205,49635157,2015-08-13 16:27:32,">>49633106
>>Cosmology 
>>Quantum Mechanics
>>Ontology
What do you mean? Explain.
Ignore previous post
>>49635010",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439483252
49632205,49635357,2015-08-13 16:31:38,">>49633063
i don't suppose you asked him what changed his mind?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483498
49632205,49635381,2015-08-13 16:32:01,">>49635006
I used fap all the time as an atheist then started doing no fap month, which is when I started to go deist instead. In hindsight, the more I cut sin out of my life the more I believed in God which makes sense. Doing mortal sins causes us to be further and further away from God, so how can any of us expect conversion and closeness with God while sinning so much? 
There's a good book called Confessions by St. Augustine, its about the life of a huge sinner who converted in the 4th century.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439483521
49632205,49635392,2015-08-13 16:32:24,">>49632205
You are an anti-science degenerate.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439483544
49632205,49635436,2015-08-13 16:33:16,">>49634852
>Can you clarify? Are you saying that if God is eternal and immaterial than our ideas of cause and effect need not apply?
I'm really bad at this which is why I usually stay out of it- what I mean is, I don't understand why a creator gets to just exist outside of cause and effect and be eternal but then when it comes to the universe you can't just say the same thing? If you can handwave one, why not the other? As to wondering about it all, from my point of view the only reason to worry about it in the first place is if you believe in religious rules you might be unwittingly breaking that will get you punished somehow or that you could have some sort of connection with a creator that you might be missing out on. I wouldn't buy that even if someone proved to me the existence of a creator right now, for all sorts of reasons. You might as well expect an ant to worry about the stock market for all the difference it makes, whether the stock market exists or not.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439483596
49632205,49635460,2015-08-13 16:33:47,">>49634832
The trouble with objectivity as argument for religion is that religion ISN'T objective.
There many different sects, they all read the exact same bible and come to radically different conclusions about key issues. Consider tht there is no agree'd upon conclusion about being gay. Some sects say it's bad, Catholics say it's not bad but gay sex is bad, others say it's ok. It's just their own subjective opinion.
Even worst these opinions change! Religion was used to justify slavery and than used to free the slaves. How can you claim religion can create an objective stance when it just changes it's mind to fit with whatever is the political climate.
The very act of deciding 'what god wants' or 'what the bible actually promotes' is subjective.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439483627
49632205,49635496,2015-08-13 16:34:45,">>49633203
the problem is in definitions.
Atheism = no religion
if you don't follow a religion, you ARE atheist. it doesn't matter if you're agnostic, or secular, or a non believer, or a militant atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483685
49632205,49635564,2015-08-13 16:36:03,">>49634513
The argument goes like this: either the regress of causes terminates in a self caused cause/necessary and eternal being, or beings come to be from nothing. If beings come to be from nothing, then the universe has no cause, hence all causal interpretations of the universe are ungrounded in the last analysis because beings do not require a cause, ie, things happen for no reason. But if things happen for no reason then there's no reason to think revelation can't be true simply because it doesn't fit into a reasoned, causal interpretation of events. Thus the desire that scientific knowledge of the world be possible seems to point towards a need for a ground of all causality but this ground cannot be known through its effects, ie, can't be known by an empirical science.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483763
49632205,49635630,2015-08-13 16:37:27,">>49635157
>Current universe has a definite and finite beginning
>All things that exist have a cause
>as the material world did not exist prior to the big bang, it is reasonable to assume something wholly immaterial and infinite caused this event
>Order -this is what confirmed my beliefs. There is objective order to the universe. To say otherwise is foolish (e.g., let's create a mock world. In this world, all meeps are moops. That world has order). 
>>Quantum Mechanics
In order for something to exist, it must have an observer. The big bang and early universe could not exist without an observer. The contrary is a multiverse, which is wildly improbable (and retarded).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483847
49632205,49635665,2015-08-13 16:38:07,">people actually took on an entire worldview based on a picture of a fat guy wearing a hat
>the worldview utterly despises sexuality and sexual contact
>the way this worldview is spread is by a picture which has as its central message ""if you don't agree with this worldview, you're not going to get any pussy""
Jesus, you people even contradict yourselves in your namecalling",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439483887
49632205,49635700,2015-08-13 16:38:45,">>49635496
This is semantics. You know full well that being an atheist has little do to with being a non-theist. Nigger also does not explicitly refer to black people. Try making that argument to Jamal when you call him one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439483925
49632205,49635822,2015-08-13 16:41:21,">>49635381
>deist
Do you even know what that word means?
There is no 'sin' within the Deist world view.
There is only a creator that made the universe and does not pass judgement or interfere with human affairs. The creator is NOT part of any organized religion.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439484081
49632205,49635883,2015-08-13 16:42:29,">what made you atheist?
thinking that religion was just a restriction on my freedom to drink and fuck
>what made you first question atheism?
Realizing that those vices were a bottomless pit and an affirmation of the meaninglessness of my life. Once I took control of my life and started living deliberately and with conviction, the idea of a god started to make more sense
>current beliefs
Agnostic/pagan/Christian...I can't really go back to literal evangelical ""6000 year-old earth"" faith like I had as a kid. Instead I draw inspiration from the higher ideals presented in scripture. I'm also really inspired by Norse and Greco-roman mythology, which is full of tragic heroes and heroic archetypes that are worth channeling in life
>how has life changed
Was a retarded college liberal nihilist drunk off my ass 6 days a week in shitty bars. Am now married, a parent, employed, a homeowner, fit, and generally living a much more purposeful, fulfilling life.
I owe a lot to Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, and Heidegger. I'm gonna die some day- I'd hate to die having lived a shameful life",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484149
49632205,49635886,2015-08-13 16:42:32,"I was an atheist when I was 12 because I didn't know agnosticism existed and thought ""not believing in a god = atheism."" 
Technically I guess I was always a pragmatic agnostic though. 
I'm assuming most modern atheists are just mentally twelve still.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484152
49632205,49635909,2015-08-13 16:42:50,">>49635460
The Catholic Church is currently plagued with the modernism heresy which is why I put ""traditional"" Catholic. The truths of the Church have not changed though some of the bishops and priests and even post Vatican II popes may try and change it as much as possible, the Church's teachings won't change. There was a time when 97-99% of bishops did not believe Jesus was the Son of God but a demi-god like Hercules yet the Church persisted through. There's a difference between a slave and an indentured servant. Through the Church councils, the doctrine can develop but not change, a deeper understanding without changing the original belief. There is a conclusion for if one says they do not belief in one of the Church's doctrine then they alienate themselves from the Church of Christ. Read Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439484170
49632205,49635938,2015-08-13 16:43:42,">>49635157
Ontological argument is very deep, and not really tl;dr worthy. This video is pretty straightforward and easy to understand. https://youtu.be/RQPRqHZRP68",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484222
49632205,49635981,2015-08-13 16:44:20,">>49635822
If you read my original post then you would know I was a deist then became a traditional Catholic. I am writing my past in hindsight.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439484260
49632205,49636053,2015-08-13 16:45:49,I bet if there is a God or creator of some form though then it's just as fucking awful as the rest of life. Can you imagine how terrible someone would have to be to think the universe was a good idea?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484349
49632205,49636077,2015-08-13 16:46:15,">>49635630
>>as the material world did not exist prior to the big bang, it is reasonable to assume something wholly immaterial and infinite caused this event
I don't buy it. How do you know the material world didn't exist prior to big bang? Does it even make sense to talk about something prior to the beginning of time?
>Order
Absolutely. Anyone that examines the evolutionary trends can see that there's an order. I just fail to see why it entails a supreme creator.
>In order for something to exist, it must have an observer.
As far as I understand, Quantum Mechanics does not imply this.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439484375
49632205,49636090,2015-08-13 16:46:41,"Si Deus est unde malum? Et si non est, unde bonum?",,Anonymous,1439445577422.jpg,ni2vktpH5EFrgeexv8LDaA==,IT,,1439484401
49632205,49636100,2015-08-13 16:46:50,">>49635381
I still fap uncontrollably. It's disgusting, I know. Maybe I can start where you did. 
>>49635392
What makes you say that? What bothers you so much about my unbelief in your world view?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484410
49632205,49636157,2015-08-13 16:48:15,">>49632205
>What made you an atheist?
Because my only real exposure to religion was lunatic, bible thumping Christainity. And I thought pretty much all religion was ""Christianity but with a different flavor"", all the same pretzel logic, all the same errors in their holy book or books, all the same cluelessness about their own history or doctrine I saw in my local churches.
Then I realized that 95% of Atheists are no better, often substituting a non-understanding of ""science"" to replace their non-understanding of ""th
And science can't really answer ethical questions.
Nowadays, I'm a rather weak deist.
Life hasn't changed much.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484495
49632205,49636327,2015-08-13 16:51:38,">>49636077
>Does it even make sense to talk about something prior to the beginning of time?
You really should try to wrap your head around the logic of infinity. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert's_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484698
49632205,49636347,2015-08-13 16:52:02,">>49636077
>How do you know the material world didn't exist prior to big bang?
It could have, but contemporary science doesn't support this. Also, I'm a firm believer that nothing material is infinite. 
>Does it even make sense to talk about something prior to the beginning of time?
Sure, why not? What bothers you about abstract thought? 
>Anyone that examines the evolutionary trends can see that there's an order. I just fail to see why it entails a supreme creator.
I don't see how one can believe in order and not believe in a creator (as abstract or non-deistic as that belief might be). You're making the case that there could be a painter without a painter. Even if order could evolve out of chaos, believing it could to the extent that we see in the universe is a major leap of faith, and imo, irrational.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439484722
49632205,49636363,2015-08-13 16:52:28,">>49632832
Story of my life",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439484748
49632205,49636371,2015-08-13 16:52:35,">>49636100
Just start taking cold showers and stop looking at the internet late at night (or whatever times you fap). Identify your ""triggers"", it took me a couple of years to quit so don't beat yourself up for falling, just keep trying and persisting. 
http://fisheaters.com/prayers.html#last
Here's some short one line prayers just say one if you have a urge, it helped me quit for good. Don't look at soft-core bikini shots either or anything of the sort. Good luck anon, I'll keep you in my prayers.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439484755
49632205,49636436,2015-08-13 16:54:03,">>49635883
>Realizing that those vices were a bottomless pit and an affirmation of the meaninglessness of my life. Once I took control of my life and started living deliberately and with conviction, the idea of a god started to make more sense
You put no effort into this, did you?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439484843
49632205,49636456,2015-08-13 16:54:31,">>49635909
>There's a difference between a slave and an indentured servant
This is irreleveant. The slave trade, the one in Africa was justified by Christianity, than it was later condemned by Christianity.
Christianity does not and never has had an objective view on slavery or anything what so ever. It has been different humans with different opinions all giving different interpretations of the exact same book.
In other words in the entire history of the human race we have never had objective morality, it's not something that is even desirable. 
Alexander the Great killed his own father, went around picking fights with just about everyone, lied, cheated, stole, told people he was a God and demanded people worship him, and when he wasn't out doing war he was relaxing by gluttonously eating food, get shit-faced on wine, and having massive orgies.
By any standard of 'Christianity morality' he was a bad person. He broke all the 10 commandments in spades, went out of his way to commit the 7 deadly sins, and was pretty much as Un-Christian as you can get. He did the exact opposite everything Jesus taught in the sermon on the mount.
But in he is a hero that helped make the foundation of western civilization.
The idea of a universal morality is fucking retarded. Alexander the Great does not need the same morality as everyone else, he needed his own morality. If he were followed the Christian morality western civilization would simply not exist in it's present form.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439484871
49632205,49636616,2015-08-13 16:57:39,">>49635564
I think I understand all that, I just don't see how it points to one answer or the other. What I don't understand is, if you go with the idea that there was one instance of an eternal self-caused cause before things settled into cause and effect, why shouldn't that be something like the big bang as much as it should any kind of god? Is the problem that one has to consciously cause itself and the other doesn't, in which case you're basically back to saying it came from nothing?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439485059
49632205,49636632,2015-08-13 16:57:55,">>49636456
>The slave trade, the one in Africa was justified by Christianity, than it was later condemned by Christianity.
I'm not a Christian, but this is not entirely accurate. The justification for slavery was the curse of Ham. Something long considered a misnomer.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485075
49632205,49636642,2015-08-13 16:58:13,">>49634872
> When I was having a Manic Episode I would hallucinate and have visions with no drugs involved and the images I saw deeply resonated with me
> The point isn't whether it is true like all the science rage is today
>So if you ask me what made the sunset, animals, and stars I will say God. It's not like you can prove me wrong.
so, in other words, if the brain is malfunctioning, god exists? and if you can't prove you assertions, they're right until proven wrong?
this sounds like an argument AGAINST religion to me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485093
49632205,49636686,2015-08-13 16:59:08,">>49634335
>Although not being a theist, I absolutely agree, and plan to raise my children in the church.
>Was it hard to pray the first time? I wanted to pray last night, but felt like a dingus. 
So youre trying to act like a voice-hearing dumbass although you arent one, and bring your children up in a cult? K.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439485148
49632205,49636758,2015-08-13 17:00:14,">>49635938
2 points:
1) the video doesn't show that an MGB is a possible thing [internally consistence], ie. it doesn't show that there exists an MGB in the Universe of all possible things.
2)The video uses numbers and 'absolute truth' as examples of necessary entities. But numbers [like all abstract concepts] don't exist.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439485214
49632205,49636785,2015-08-13 17:00:42,">>49636642
Do you ever wonder why non-atheists hate you? If so, screen shot your post, put it in a folder, and look at it the next time this question arises.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485242
49632205,49636807,2015-08-13 17:01:06,">>49636327
lol. I did my Bs in pure math bro.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439485266
49632205,49636875,2015-08-13 17:02:30,">>49636686
Precisely. What's your plan?",,Anonymous,1387170280751.jpg,h1ij+w84wugI8bfwdHd9FQ==,US,,1439485350
49632205,49636914,2015-08-13 17:03:07,">>49635700
what? nigger's base root literally means black. you're proving my point for me. 
just because your definition of atheist is ""non-believer who speaks about his views"" doesn't mean you're using the word correctly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485387
49632205,49636931,2015-08-13 17:03:43,">>49636785
I love how this comes from someone whose worldview instantly rejects any opposing point of view offhand without any thought
Improve the world, start with yourself",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439485423
49632205,49636977,2015-08-13 17:04:29,">>49636914
My point is that words change and have different meanings over time. Words are subjective and subject to contextual interpretation. Are you honestly trying to disagree with that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485469
49632205,49637001,2015-08-13 17:04:56,"Right now i feel atheistic inside,but i also know a culture and choice of atheism is strongly influenced by ""you know who""
I would even work to promote religion,but i personally am becoming included to be inmoral
what do",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439485496
49632205,49637025,2015-08-13 17:05:17,">>49636931
>I love how this comes from someone whose worldview instantly rejects any opposing point of view offhand without any thought
Interesting assumption.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485517
49632205,49637050,2015-08-13 17:05:45,">>49635381
Lelz, sexual-frustration caused insanity is a dangerous thing.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439485545
49632205,49637076,2015-08-13 17:06:11,">>49636931
Why so mad?
Is it because people who don't believe we all evolved from a tadpole who magically appeared are happier than you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485571
49632205,49637127,2015-08-13 17:07:14,">>49637001
""After the birth of Antichrist heretics will preach their false doctrines undisturbed, resulting in Christians having doubts about their holy Catholic faith."" 
At that period when antichrist shall be born, there will be many wars and right order shall be destroyed on earth. Heresy will be rampant and the heretics will preach their errors openly without restraint.""
-St. Hildegard Von Bingen, 12th century, I kid you not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485634
49632205,49637132,2015-08-13 17:07:21,">>49636758
>But numbers [like all abstract concepts] don't exist.
What do you mean? Are you saying the symbols we use for numbers don't exist, or the very idea of numbers is fallacious?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485641
49632205,49637174,2015-08-13 17:08:17,">>49636347
>contemporary science doesn't support this
As far as I can tell, modern science does not have much to say about this.
>I'm a firm believer that nothing material is infinite. 
Agreed.
>Sure, why not?
'Prior' is a word that doesn't make sense outside of a temporal framework.
>You're making the case that there could be a painting without a painter
Exactly. And there absolutely could be.
> Even if order could evolve out of chaos
No that's not my point. I believe that order is an intrinsic [and possibly eternal] property of existence] just like chaos.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439485697
49632205,49637182,2015-08-13 17:08:28,">>49636785
because i show people unpleasant leaps in their own logic? because people get defensive when their imaginary friend is questioned?
regardless, i have plenty of christian friends. but i see you attacked my person rather than, you know, my logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439485708
49632205,49637373,2015-08-13 17:12:07,">>49632205
>Some questions you might like to answer: 
>>What made you an atheist?
My dad left my mom. I felt like god wouldn't allow this to happen.
>>What made you first question atheism?
One day I opened up a biology book and saw the complexity of human biology. It does not seem possible that in a universe geared toward entropy, we would emerge as a species.
>>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
Christian, because I understand it is the most moral option, and that Christ is real.
>>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist? 
Quit drugs and booze. Finished my engineering degree, good job, got house, a wife and kids. Am happy at church every Sunday. Instead of wallowing in a basement, drinking and listening to metal and pining over women who would want nothing to do with me.
I used to be so selfish and borderline narcissistic, I didn't even realize it.I managed to change my attitude and truly love and appreciate the people and children around me, not just the people I thought were ""cool"". In my experience, It's far more rewarding to have a constant influx of reciprocated love than an emotionally stagnant life with some sick bantz and ""intellectually stimulating"", ""deep"" conversation with one of my old atheist 2smart4U friends which would happen on rare occasions.
I lost a couple friends along the way, but it was worth it. Nobody who mocks God can be a friend of mine.
Not to brag, but in a philosophical and material sense, my life has turned out much better than theirs since I got off their depressing, hellbound path, thank the Lord.
Me and my wife believe in Christ and have him in our marriage. So barring some tragedy or mishap, we'll be living happily ever after into old age. Thank God.",,Anonymous,38a.jpg,r1wcCDh5LqgtydqSsC7EJQ==,CA,,1439485927
49632205,49637447,2015-08-13 17:13:45,">>49637076
Drunken people are also happier than me, that doesn't make me want to be shitfaced 24/7",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439486025
49632205,49637453,2015-08-13 17:13:51,">>49636875
How about just telling kids the truth about what we know and not just going for 2000andsomething years old non-sensical death cult?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439486031
49632205,49637469,2015-08-13 17:14:07,">>49636977
theres a difference between changing uses of words over time and ""im not an atheist because i don't like the word"" or ""he's not a nigger because he's my friend.""
if you wanna fuck kids, you're a pedo.
if you're black, you're a nigger.
if you don't actively believe in a god, you're an atheist.
if you have carrot colored hair, you are a ginger.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486047
49632205,49637479,2015-08-13 17:14:19,">>49637132
>the very idea of numbers is fallacious?
No.
Ideas, concepts and abstractions don't exist, i.e. they can't be observed through experimentation. They are not objects that can be found in the universe.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439486059
49632205,49637547,2015-08-13 17:15:26,">>49637127
how do you know thats for now?
not for 1900?
and not for 2100?",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439486126
49632205,49637557,2015-08-13 17:15:36,">>49637127
>there will be people who dont buy this bullshit, dont listen to them (i promise its true)
A true prophet",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439486136
49632205,49637673,2015-08-13 17:17:48,">>49637373
Argument from complexity, OOOOO SHIT WE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE. M8 ever heard bout evolution?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439486268
49632205,49637750,2015-08-13 17:19:36,">>49636157
people can believe the right thing for the wrong reasons, what you describe isn't evidence for or against religion. it's evidence that humans are stupid apes who think with their hormones.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486376
49632205,49637756,2015-08-13 17:19:39,">>49637447
You have a point. 
But I don't understand how any atheist can hold his world belief and not be hopelessly depressed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486379
49632205,49637832,2015-08-13 17:21:20,">>49637453
>death cult
how so?
i like insane conspiracy theories,please explain",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439486480
49632205,49637859,2015-08-13 17:21:49,">>49637557
From the 12th century. Read the rest of the prophecy, and maybe St. Nilus', too.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486509
49632205,49637927,2015-08-13 17:23:15,">>49637373
> In my experience, It's far more rewarding to have a constant influx of reciprocated love
> Nobody who mocks God can be a friend of mine.
>Not to brag, but in a philosophical and material sense, my life has turned out much better than theirs since I got off their depressing, hellbound path,
and also, because i can't help myself
>Me and my wife believe in Christ and have him in our marriage.
lol cuck",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486595
49632205,49637966,2015-08-13 17:23:59,">>49637174
>'Prior' is a word that doesn't make sense outside of a temporal framework.
OK, I guess that's fair. 
>Exactly. And there absolutely could be.
Do you think so? To what degree? You said you majored in math, so I'm guessing you have some background in stats. I think a better analogy to the painter is one where we bring a marble monolith on top of a mountain and drop it off an infinite* number of times. You're suggesting that after any throw we might reach the bottom of the mountain and find the statue of david. I'm suggesting that the probability of this is so infinitely small that 0 is the only reasonable conclusion. What's more, because we did find the statue but reasonably believe this could not happen by rocks violently hitting other rocks, it's safe to assume that there was some other cause for the creation of the statue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486639
49632205,49638008,2015-08-13 17:24:33,">>49637756
It's called accepting the world for what it is, it's much healthy than lying to yourself",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439486673
49632205,49638039,2015-08-13 17:25:05,">>49637673
Well that was the seed. More has piled on since then. I began to notice more and more as I became more spiritual that people and culture attack God endlessly and rave about nothing with little understanding.They are blind to how they debase themselves in doing so.
Thinking themselves wise, they blindly attack the very thing that could actually give them fulfillment in order to bolster their own sense of personal intelligence.
>M8 ever heard bout evolution?
Yeah, all the time actually, but I see it as more of a tool for the maintenance of life rather than a credible source for our origins.
I believe design is implicit in the world no matter how gradually that design changes due to natural processes.
Protip: I used to be you bro, it's a shit life, you won't convince me to go back to the materialism you've settled for.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439486705
49632205,49638084,2015-08-13 17:25:48,">>49637756
>But I don't understand how any atheist can hold his world belief and not be hopelessly depressed.
Its called ""Life sucks, deal with it"". 
>>49637832
Well Christinality is all based around the death and resurrection of J. C., thus making it a death cult
>>49637859
It says something simmilar in the bible ""The fool hath said in his heart there is no god"".
The whole prophecy basically ammounts to ""People arent gonna belive it, then some of the belivers wont belive it any more"". That doesnt sound like much of a prophecy to me, its just an unavoidability.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439486748
49632205,49638100,2015-08-13 17:26:04,">>49637479
Numbers are simply the language that helps us understand our observation.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486764
49632205,49638108,2015-08-13 17:26:14,">>49637756
depressed about what? exactly? being doomed to hell? not having sex until marriage. missing out on eternal life?
these things only matter to people who already fell for the scam. you can't miss what you never thought you had.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486774
49632205,49638171,2015-08-13 17:27:38,">>49638084
>Its called ""Life sucks, deal with it"". 
The nihilism that's destroying our society. 
People still question why I want to raise my kids in the church?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486858
49632205,49638186,2015-08-13 17:27:48,">>49632205
Atheist here. What does it mean to question atheism? What are you questioning?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486868
49632205,49638187,2015-08-13 17:27:49,">>49638084
No actually, the whole prophecy does not amount to that. I asked you to read it and I don't think you did.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439486869
49632205,49638243,2015-08-13 17:28:52,">>49638100
Yeah, language[s] do[es]n't exist either. Their representations do, however.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439486932
49632205,49638265,2015-08-13 17:29:28,">>49638084
>based around
that does not fit the official definition of death cult.
a death cult ask the members to die promtly",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439486968
49632205,49638289,2015-08-13 17:29:58,">>49638186
you seem like you want him to be an atheist!!",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439486998
49632205,49638324,2015-08-13 17:30:41,">>49637373
why would a christian ever come to this filthy place?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487041
49632205,49638327,2015-08-13 17:30:43,">>49637469
You're actually pretty stupid. 
>if you wanna fuck kids, you're someone who wants to have sex with children
>if you're black, your descended from Africa and have more melonin than Europeans. 
>if you don't actively believe in a god, you're someone who believes the universe was came from and will descend to nothing. 
>if you have carrot colored hair, you have undesirable genes that caused an undesirable hair color.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487043
49632205,49638331,2015-08-13 17:30:51,">>49632205
I am an atheist but I feel like answering the first question anyway.
>What made you an atheist?
I just grew up with no religion, it was my default position to start with.",,Anonymous,1439466354846.png,+jWDAtsf2GJ35DtrXAVbpA==,GB,,1439487051
49632205,49638377,2015-08-13 17:31:46,">>49632793
Parents rarely if ever influence their children towards their own beliefs.
But what were the reasons they changed back and forth?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487106
49632205,49638395,2015-08-13 17:32:07,">>49638171
it's not nihilism, its accepting reality. you can change it, one step at a time. but waiting for god to come and fix everything hasn't worked yet.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487127
49632205,49638402,2015-08-13 17:32:11,">>49638243
I agree with this. But, isn't it more valuable to discuss the representations than signifiers?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487131
49632205,49638436,2015-08-13 17:32:56,">>49638324
I came here before I was Christian back in 07.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439487176
49632205,49638469,2015-08-13 17:33:27,">>49638187
>""After the birth of Antichrist heretics will preach their false doctrines undisturbed, resulting in Christians having doubts about their holy Catholic faith."" 
At that period when antichrist shall be born, there will be many wars and right order shall be destroyed on earth. Heresy will be rampant and the heretics will preach their errors openly without restraint.""
-St. Hildegard Von Bingen, 12th century, I kid you not.
So, lets break it down: After the death of an antichrist, people of other religion/beliefs/nonbeliefs/versions of christianity will spread their ""false ideas"". Some Christians will have dubts about their faith.
There will be many wars (as always in history) and the ""right"" order (subjective) will be destroyed. And again back to the ""other beliefs will say their shit"".
 I fail to see anything significant here.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487207
49632205,49638474,2015-08-13 17:33:33,">>49637373
Nice. This made me happy! 
>Christian, because I understand it is the most moral option, and that Christ is real.
Would you mind expanding on this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487213
49632205,49638482,2015-08-13 17:33:38,">>49636616
did this get lost in the thread or was it just too dumb to warrant an answer?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439487218
49632205,49638500,2015-08-13 17:33:57,">>49637966
The probability that an event x--that doesn't have probability p(x) = 0-- *not* happening goes to 0 as the number of trials grow. So given enough trials, it will happen.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439487237
49632205,49638525,2015-08-13 17:34:20,">>49632993
It blows my mind to see people think that there isn't.
Isn't at least a higher power, in fact most atheists aren't even true atheists, they are simply against organized religion.
A few come to mind such as
>Richard Dawkins 
>David Berlinski
>Stephen Hawking
All of them very intelligent men, against religion, but openly stating that there probably is a power higher than man and the universe, whether that power is a grand architect we can never truly know, but it is noteworthy that the most prominent among non-believers are pseudo-believers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487260
49632205,49638532,2015-08-13 17:34:29,">>49638327
i didn't imply any of those negative implications. i have nothing against blacks. or atheists, or gingers.
but i do accept that if someone shouts ""hey! nigger!"" they're not talking to me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487269
49632205,49638547,2015-08-13 17:34:47,">>49638039
>Protip: I used to be you bro, it's a shit life, you won't convince me to go back to the materialism you've settled for.
>>49638171
Well Ill be dead before I switch my beliefs to put muh feels before reality.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487287
49632205,49638571,2015-08-13 17:35:09,">>49638324
Why would a fisherman fish where there are fish?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487309
49632205,49638589,2015-08-13 17:35:31,">>49638331
Is it satisfying?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487331
49632205,49638602,2015-08-13 17:35:51,">>49637453
The information is there. I do not want bourgeois morality shaping my children.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487351
49632205,49638625,2015-08-13 17:36:08,">>49638395
Accepting ""reality"" or what you think is reality, is in fact nihilism. How can we ""change"" it? That doesn't make sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487368
49632205,49638640,2015-08-13 17:36:26,">>49638039
WHY DO THE HEATHEN RAGE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487386
49632205,49638693,2015-08-13 17:37:30,">>49638589
Well I feel fine. I don't really derive any satisfaction from my position on this though, it is just an opinion.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439487450
49632205,49638696,2015-08-13 17:37:31,">>49638525
It's easy to pick on religion; it's a man made endeavor and has failures in it.
It's not quite so easy to pick on God, and almost impossible to pick on Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487451
49632205,49638704,2015-08-13 17:37:44,">>49638265
I was using the wrong deffinition then, my bad",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487464
49632205,49638727,2015-08-13 17:38:11,">>49638693
Does it explain everything? Is it predictive? Is it profitable?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487491
49632205,49638731,2015-08-13 17:38:14,">>49638525
 >pseudo-believers.
only because the definition of a god is so malleable. 
as for standing against organized religion vs standing against being wrong. of course. organized religion is what's causing all the problems. whereas being wrong is something all humans regularly do as a part of being alive and thinking.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487494
49632205,49638734,2015-08-13 17:38:16,">>49638469
That's not the whole prophecy, as I keep trying to tell you. I should have included more, I'm sorry.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487496
49632205,49638738,2015-08-13 17:38:18,">>49638547
>Well Ill be dead before I switch my beliefs to put muh feels before reality.
Agreed, but I was speaking about my children, not myself. Also, take yourself out of COD and look at the larger picture. Why do we have myths? Why has every society thought it good to teach their young certain abstract and implausible ideas?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487498
49632205,49638791,2015-08-13 17:39:21,">>49638402
The video uses the 'necessary entities' as things that must exist in all possible universes. To prove that this concept [necessary entitiy] is well defined, it proceeds to give examples of necessary entities, thereby ostensibly showing the existence of such entities. The examples given however do not exist. So the very concept of necessary entities is at risk, unless other examples can be found.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439487561
49632205,49638792,2015-08-13 17:39:22,">>49632205
>What made you an atheist?
Guess my parents raised me as such. Never been to church. It was around puberty when I first started to get interested in Christianity. Read the Bible in that period.
>What made you first question atheism?
Never did really. The New Testament is an interesting read though. But the whole story of Jesus giving his life for our salvation never really did anything to me.
>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
Still atheist.
>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist?
It doesn't affect my life that I'm an atheist. I have a good job, a sweet girlfriend and I can do pretty much anything I want really. Never needed God or Jesus in my life I guess",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439487562
49632205,49638800,2015-08-13 17:39:39,">>49638696
>Impossible to pick on something that doesnt exist
mhm",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487579
49632205,49638814,2015-08-13 17:39:55,">>49638525 
Add Black scientist to that list.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487595
49632205,49638889,2015-08-13 17:41:15,">>49638792
When Jesus said you must love God so much that it looks like you hate your father and mother, he was thinking about your situation.
When Jesus said he is a sharp two-edged sword dividing mother from son, and father from daughter, he was talking about your situation.
You can muddle through without any help from your parents, and find Jesus yourself, or you can stay with them, and go where they go.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487675
49632205,49638925,2015-08-13 17:41:46,">>49638727
>Does it explain everything?
Not really.
>Is it predictive?
I don't know how you would even go about testing something with it.
>Is it profitable?
No, it is just an opinion, it is like asking if my opinion on a film is profitable. Maybe if I was one of those evangelical Pastors or someone like Dawkins who could make some money from my opinion it would be. Mine is not though.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439487706
49632205,49638926,2015-08-13 17:41:46,">>49638625
>How can we ""change"" it? That doesn't make sense.
by making the world a better place? by reducing suffering in the world? helping neighbors, giving big tips, going into a field that helps others. the options for changing the world in a positive way are endless.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487706
49632205,49638937,2015-08-13 17:41:55,">>49638800
I've never heard even a die hard asshole atheist have a harsh word about Jesus.
Everybody knows, at some level, that Jesus is special.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487715
49632205,49638964,2015-08-13 17:42:22,">>49638738
Some, because the adults belived it too, some just as a form of entertainment or to convey certain messages and values with stories of heroism and such",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487742
49632205,49638974,2015-08-13 17:42:32,">>49638925
I have to say, it sounds like your worldview could use an upgrade.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487752
49632205,49639025,2015-08-13 17:43:20,">>49638734
Oh, I didnt realise that was only a part of it. Ill google it, my bad",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487800
49632205,49639036,2015-08-13 17:43:28,">>49638525
>but openly stating that there probably is a power higher than man and the universe
[citation needed]
Admitting it's possible is not the same that thing as believing there is a higher power.
It's just simple intellectual honesty. I don't believe in any God or gods, therefore I'm an atheist.
I don't believe in a ""higher power"" either, but I don't call it impossible. Admitting it's possible doesn't make me a theist in drag.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1439487808
49632205,49639054,2015-08-13 17:43:47,">>49638500 
Sure, but did you not agree that infinity does not exist? Also, my argument was that the probability is so low that it's safer to assume there was a variable we did not consider. 
That aside, if there is no actor, how could any event occur? If we were to leave the monolith on the mountain, I'm comfortable saying it would never spontaneously turn into the statue of David.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487827
49632205,49639069,2015-08-13 17:44:06,">>49638926
But why would anyone want to do that? What's in it for them? What is saving people from poverty or helping others going to do for me? Nothing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487846
49632205,49639084,2015-08-13 17:44:26,">>49638727
are you saying the bible DOES explain everything?
how exactly did god make the animals? what physical laws did he put in place? how do atoms work? where exactly IS heaven?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487866
49632205,49639140,2015-08-13 17:45:34,">>49639025
It's ok, everyone makes mistakes.
Also, check out the prophecy of St. Nilus that I mentioned before, that one is pretty good, too, but the origin is cloudy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439487934
49632205,49639201,2015-08-13 17:46:34,">>49638937
>Everybody knows, at some level, that Jesus is special.
lol that level of delusion
inb4 edgy",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1439487994
49632205,49639205,2015-08-13 17:46:36,">>49638937
Well there are, you havent looked deep enough. Still, Im one of the camp that takes that there is no real evidence Jesus existed, and that he might just be either wholly made up or a combination of real people that was made by mashing up of stories through the ages.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439487996
49632205,49639223,2015-08-13 17:46:50,">>49638937
not everybody, obviously. hell, if you believe the bible is an unreliable narration, there's not much you can definitively say about jesus at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488010
49632205,49639232,2015-08-13 17:47:03,">>49638964
Exactly. I think there is valuable lessons to be learned. I think it provides a moral compass for life. I do not want my children guided by society. Now, whether it's true, I don't really think so. I don't know, but I'm inclined to think it very unlikely. However, I do plan to look into it more, and am encouraged by the many intelligent people who are firm believers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488023
49632205,49639366,2015-08-13 17:49:12,">former atheist
Either bait or you just gave up completely and swallowed the blue pill.
It's understandable not wanting to face reality.
Having something (a religion) to give you a perfect answer to everything is nice. You're just fooling yourself though.",,Anonymous,1334421083388.jpg,94y0ABVnhBMZJ2r0HFCucA==,PR,,1439488152
49632205,49639398,2015-08-13 17:49:54,">>49639232
Morality tales such as?
I don't mean just preaching 'you should not do this' but an actual story where something was demonstrated?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439488194
49632205,49639417,2015-08-13 17:50:15,">>49639069
well, if you have children, it makes their lives better. and if you live in a community, if you're known as helpful, others are more likely to help you.
it's not like you need jesus to see the benefits.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488215
49632205,49639439,2015-08-13 17:50:38,">>49639201
Well he pretty much changed the world, influencing the the next two milleniums after his death. Is that not ""special"" enough for you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488238
49632205,49639452,2015-08-13 17:50:51,">>49639140
Hmm, well he nailed the timespan. He guessed quite a few things. Who do you suppose is the antichrist?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488251
49632205,49639517,2015-08-13 17:51:59,">>49639232
The bible contains just as many biggoted ""kill the gays"" messages as the good ""love your neighbour"" ones.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488319
49632205,49639620,2015-08-13 17:53:38,">>49639366 This pertains to your question
>>49633203
It's funny tho, I was actually going to add this to my opening post. Atheists are terrified and enraged by former atheists. Why is that? Is it because you feel weak in your beliefs and threatened by someone who abandoned them? You're certainly not the first person to question my experience.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488418
49632205,49639646,2015-08-13 17:54:05,">>49639439
You mean the story of him, this video is good on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvhZc965vM",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488445
49632205,49639671,2015-08-13 17:54:32,">>49633106
Must say same here, except my profession is more philosophy like. I am, however, a Christian because at the age of about 15 I had a peculiar, I'd say religious, experience. It turned my life around ever since.
I would give all my possessions to experience it again.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488472
49632205,49639690,2015-08-13 17:54:47,">>49638324
I've been on this site since 2006 and was an atheist then fully converted to Catholicism a couple of years ago. 
>don't forget you're here forever
I'll probably periodically go on this site till the internet ends.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439488487
49632205,49639707,2015-08-13 17:55:02,">>49632205
>What made you an atheist?
Raised as a paper catholic. Went to catholic school, attended mass every so often, Thought it was dumb, became an insecure teenage edgelord, watched atheist youtubers and read dawkins 
>What made you first question atheism?
Was never really a liberal but eventually became a hardcore reactionary/conservative, realized that as religion retreats, secular degenerate trash takes over.
>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
Still got some respects for some kinds of atheists/agnostic. If your a physicist or some kind serious stem person then I can respect that an idea of a god may be a bad fit with the rest of your world view and muddle your thinking. But that isn't most atheists. Most atheists are just failures that are insecure about their intelligence and need a quick hand me down that lets them claim to be more intelligent than the majority of people who believe in religion.
I have started attending church more often and if anyone asks me what I am I tell them catholic but to be honest deep down I find it hard to take seriously. I plan on immersing myself more fully in the religion to see if I can become a true believer perhaps join opus dei or something. 
>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist? 
Making more money. More confident. More energy.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439488502
49632205,49639718,2015-08-13 17:55:13,">>49639417
Yeah, but I don't need them. I don't need help, so I don't care. And why should I? I could kill someone and it wouldn't matter, as long as I got away with it. I can do anything I want, as long as I don't get caught, because nothing matters, at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488513
49632205,49639743,2015-08-13 17:55:32,">>49639671
Huh, what kind of experience, may I ask?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488532
49632205,49639804,2015-08-13 17:56:51,">>49639517
>>49639398
>The bible contains just as many bigoted ""kill the gays""
That's true, but they're allegorical and not preached in Christian churches. Most gays don't think gays should be slaughtered. However, they do think it is an immoral act (which it is). Then again, maybe you guys are right. Maybe I should let my daughter be raised by the Kardashians and cuckold-promoting nickelodeon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488611
49632205,49639853,2015-08-13 17:57:36,">>49639671
>I had a peculiar, I'd say religious, experience.
Mind going into it? I'd love to hear. Please, disregard the goofball atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488656
49632205,49639860,2015-08-13 17:57:41,">>49639517
>The bible contains just as many biggoted ""kill the gays"" messages
This is how you out yourself as somebody with no understanding of the Christian faith. You may have been born around it but you don't know it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488661
49632205,49639880,2015-08-13 17:58:12,">>49639439
Croat bro answered for me >>49639646",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1439488692
49632205,49639922,2015-08-13 17:58:42,">Raised catholic but mostly just went to church on Easter/Christmas
>Got roped into le reddit atheism
>become (le)bertarian
>years go by
>become more conservative
>pro-life
>understand the value/culture of christian traditions of the west
>Want to start going back to church
>Still can't get over the hump of not believing there is a god
What do, /pol/?",,Anonymous,1438057985754.jpg,4wKtmpaIM4I+OrAOz10K9A==,US,,1439488722
49632205,49639925,2015-08-13 17:58:44,">>49634872
Evola also disliked the U.S. and would consider the Aztec-Nahua to be spiritually pure ;)",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1439488724
49632205,49639938,2015-08-13 17:59:04,">>49639452
I'm not sure about the anitchrist. Personally, I think he's alive but is probably still young, and hasn't risen to power, or something like that. But you can tell it's coming, looking at the news and all. Pope Francis is supposed to be the last pope according to Nostradamus, I think. I can reccomend you more interesting stuff, if you want?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488744
49632205,49639943,2015-08-13 17:59:09,">>49632205
>What made you an atheist?
Well, I was born one, and that never changed.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439488749
49632205,49639949,2015-08-13 17:59:19,">>49639620
>terrified and enraged
Stop projecting.
I do have a hard time believing it.
Realizing a tool like religion is all over the world and treated like a real normal thing then voluntarily going back to it. It's hard to believe.
Like I said, It's understandable not wanting to face reality.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1439488759
49632205,49639950,2015-08-13 17:59:21,">>49639707
>Still got some respects for some kinds of atheists/agnostic.
I'm with you. There are some excellent thinkers who are atheists and who I respect. Even ITT, there's been a few intelligent, abeit goofball, atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488761
49632205,49640012,2015-08-13 18:00:24,">>49639804
No need to jump to extremes. Not taking children to cult meetings doesnt mean you need to let them be raised by figurative wolfes. Be a good parent and dont expose your children to mindless masstainment, and thats that.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488824
49632205,49640043,2015-08-13 18:00:56,">>49636347
>I don't see how one can believe in order and not believe in a creator (as abstract or non-deistic as that belief might be). You're making the case that there could be a painter without a painter. Even if order could evolve out of chaos, believing it could to the extent that we see in the universe is a major leap of faith, and imo, irrational
The multiverse has good explanatory power for this. Basically, roll the dice infinite times and some of the universes will be ordered enough for life. Otherwise, yes it seems very improbable that a single roll would result in such a stable universe. 
But do note that a god explanation doesn't help the odds. Who rolled the dice and got such an ordered God?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439488856
49632205,49640044,2015-08-13 18:00:57,">>49639943
>Le born an atheist meme. I can explain why this is silly, if you're interested in hearing why.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488857
49632205,49640064,2015-08-13 18:01:24,">>49638974
I think those sorts of changes in thought processes or worldview only come out of some sort of need. Mine seems fine right now.",,Anonymous,1438910049279.jpg,yf2J4w3Zqo9ERq+9EzDBhA==,GB,,1439488884
49632205,49640128,2015-08-13 18:02:32,">>49639938
I never heard of someone predicting Francis as the last pope. (although he is a shitlord (has cis in his name for fucks sake))
But I mean, yea, if you have interesting stuff, itd be nice. Im always looking for stuff to read when Im not lurking.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439488952
49632205,49640139,2015-08-13 18:02:40,">>49639922
Look up The Star of Bethlehem Documentary and watch.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439488960
49632205,49640156,2015-08-13 18:02:52,">>49639922
Praying helped me get over the hump. Pray at least 1/3 of a Rosary everyday which only takes 20-25 minutes. 
http://fisheaters.com/rosary.html
>>49639707
If you want to start taking it more seriously start praying a Rosary everyday, I promise it will increase your faith.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439488972
49632205,49640202,2015-08-13 18:03:49,">>49639804
How about you stop looking for a fucking daycare center (which is what you are treating the church as) and raise your daughter right.
You are capable of understanding cause and effect right? You are capable of communicating these things to her right? Than just fucking do that. For fuck sakes activily work to raise your child. Don't let the tv, the priesthood, and the fucking education just have their way with her. She's your fucking daughter so you teach her.
If you are incapable of spending enough time with your daughter to actually teach her things (and if your wife is also in the same situation) than you made a mistake having her. If you do not KNOW enough about reality to teach her than you also made a mistake having her.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439489029
49632205,49640207,2015-08-13 18:03:53,">>49639922
Read through this thread. You'll hear some strong arguments for god. If you're looking for a youtube fix, check out William Lane Craig. But really, delve deep into cosmology and logic. You'll reach a point where it's difficult to deny the probability of a creator.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489033
49632205,49640241,2015-08-13 18:04:31,">>49640044
>I can explain why this is silly, if you're interested in hearing why.
Please do.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439489071
49632205,49640440,2015-08-13 18:07:43,">>49639517
simply false
Christianity fundamentally doesn't call anyone to hate, and to specifically clarify post-Jesus the law has been fulfilled meaning rules scribed in Leviticus continue in publication solely for ecclesiological purposes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489263
49632205,49640451,2015-08-13 18:07:56,">>49640207
How do you make the jump from 'the universe had a creator' which is just fucking Deism to 'the creator is a Jewish political criminal from 2,000 years ago'? The most sensable creator would be an alien. Science is almost certain that aliens exist, while Gods have less evidence than fucking bigfoot. At least big-foot is caught on tape.
>>49640043
Dorkins is there any decent evidence for the multi-verse?
It just sounds like the scientists version of religion: a concept more complicated than the entire universe with very little proof.
The simplest explanation is that the universe always existed.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439489276
49632205,49640463,2015-08-13 18:08:06,">>49640202
This is widening the goal posts. I answered your question and made no such claim to what you're refuting. 
>You are capable of understanding cause and effect right? You are capable of communicating these things to her right? Than just fucking do that. For fuck sakes activily work to raise your child. Don't let the tv, the priesthood, and the fucking education just have their way with her. She's your fucking daughter so you teach her.
I plan to do these things as well. However, what do you think shaped my morals? Atheists can't deal with the fact that western society was shaped by Judeo-Christian values. I know you hate that term, but it's the truth. 
>If you are incapable of spending enough time with your daughter to actually teach her things (and if your wife is also in the same situation) than you made a mistake having her. If you do not KNOW enough about reality to teach her than you also made a mistake having her.
Again, I agree with this. However, I think it's good for a young child to have something deeper. What happens if I die? What happens if we don't have a strong relationship?
Please, tell me, why does this anger you so much? What are you so bothered by?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489286
49632205,49640522,2015-08-13 18:09:18,">>49637756
>what is existentialism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489358
49632205,49640554,2015-08-13 18:10:02,">>49640440
Well, mind asking all the anti-gay christians out there to stop?
>>49639880
Np Brazil-san",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439489402
49632205,49640608,2015-08-13 18:10:43,">>49638589
More satisfying than believing a lie ;^)",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439489443
49632205,49640676,2015-08-13 18:12:01,">>49638889
Or he could neither.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439489521
49632205,49640691,2015-08-13 18:12:23,">>49639054
>Sure, but did you not agree that infinity does not exist?
Yeah. let's say that an event x has probability p(x) = 1/10^100. It is unimaginably improbable that x does not happen in 10^200 trials. That's roughly what ""given enough trials, it will happen"" means. So if the event that 'a marble monolith being thrown off a mountain top, and turning into the statue of David' has not probability 0, you should be very surprised if it doesn't happen after a large enough [but finite] number of trials.
For example, you can precisely calculate a number n such that you can expect with 99.99% confidence to see Hamlet among n number of random strings of length equal to that of Hamlet.
>That aside, if there is no actor, how could any event occur?
I see lots of things happening in the nature without an actor. What about a prime actor? For all I know we could be inside a black hole. Also, prime actor argument is very weak as it falls victim to itself. 
>I'm comfortable saying it would never spontaneously turn into the statue of David.
Me too.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439489543
49632205,49640712,2015-08-13 18:12:41,">>49640451
>Dorkins is there any decent evidence for the multi-verse?
Not yet. But it is a better hypothesis than a god for 2 reasons. It will eventually be tested when we can test it. And it explains how there can be any order at all in the universe. 
Multiverse doesn't say whether or not the universe always existed. Through it probably has. 
Do note that the separate verses of the multiverse are all part of the same universe, they just have different laws and constants that got frozen in place as the big bang cooled",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439489561
49632205,49640731,2015-08-13 18:12:54,">>49638937
Nope.
Stop spreading your dogma as fact, please.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439489574
49632205,49640769,2015-08-13 18:13:29,">>49638974
Why?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439489609
49632205,49640833,2015-08-13 18:14:43,">>49633383
I keep meditations in my briefcase, I don't know what you're saying",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489683
49632205,49641020,2015-08-13 18:18:23,">>49640241
Considering the consistency throughout time and across societies that we find a belief in a creator, I think it's a reasonable empirical hypothesis to say there is something inherit or biological in our belief. Otherwise, how do you explain this? The counter supports mass delusion amongst isolated groups for 1000s of years. I think that's unreasonable. Consider the way people adopt atheism. It's become dogmatic and undistinguishable from religion.The only reasonable assumption is that there is something biological that causes us to seek a creator or something larger than ourselves.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489903
49632205,49641068,2015-08-13 18:19:33,">>49640128
I think people tend to forget about the mystery in religion, like prophecies and unexplained miracles, it can be very interesting sometimes. And excuse my mentioning of Nostradamus, I was mixing things up, he was truly an idiot. 
Anyways, here are a few thing you might find interesting.
Prophecy of the Popes
So this is what I was talking about, Pope Francis being the last pope. VERY interesting. Here's the wikipedia page, if you want to read more about deciphering them I am sure someone has written a book about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
The Three Secrets of Fatima, particularly the third, and the Miracle of the Sun
This one is actually very famous. It takes place in a secular Portugal. And it says on the wikipedia page that the third secret has ""already been released"" by Pope John Paul II, but that's complete bullshit. Before he released it, they had already released a snippet of the writing, and that snippet was not in Lucia's writings. There's some good literature about this, also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima
The Star of Bethlehem
So this is a documentary. I highly recommend it, even though it's not a prophecy or anything. 
http://www.bethlehemstar.com/
I have a few other things but I don't want to bore you or anything.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489973
49632205,49641085,2015-08-13 18:19:48,">>49638731
>only because the definition of a god is so malleable.
Science itself is extremely malleable.
In fact science is encompasses the definition of malleable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439489988
49632205,49641108,2015-08-13 18:20:11,">>49640451
>How do you make the jump from 'the universe had a creator' which is just fucking Deism to 'the creator is a Jewish political criminal from 2,000 years ago'? 
I don't. Not sure where you got that from.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490011
49632205,49641130,2015-08-13 18:20:39,">>49641020
>The counter supports mass delusion amongst isolated groups for 1000s of years.
Ever seen an optical illusion? It isn't very hard to make the human brain completely fail. That's why we invented methods like science",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439490039
49632205,49641133,2015-08-13 18:20:43,">>49640463
A lot of what you consider Christian values are anything but that.
Let's take the concept of defending your country. Jesus never once talked about this. Jesus constantly stresses that when faced with an enemy you should surrender (or as he calls it turn the other cheek). He asks you not kill your enemies but love them. This culminates in his death where he followers his passive-resistance philosophy to the end.
The only calls to arms, the only time the bible displays anything even remotely masculine is in the Old Testament. Virtually all Christians consider these passages absolute because of their inhumanity. There is a passage where Jewish king goes to war. God tells him to kill all the women, children, and livestock. The King spares the children and God punishes the king with death.
And what about family values? Jesus says you should cut off ties with anyone that does not follow his religion, typical cult behaviour. He never expresses any sort of appreciation for the family unit. He never shows any empathy to his parents. The old testament talks about family but that too is cruel: women and children are basically slaves for their father and there is nothing wrong with beating your wife or murdering your children. 
We had Christianity for a very, very long time but the successes in history were always the exact opposite of Christian values. 
>However, I think it's good for a young child to have something deeper.
This is true but Christianity is very shallow. It is not concerned with the real world, only the spirit world. Sometimes it even goes so far as to say the real world is lowly and that God is the only thing that really matters.
I spent 13 years as a Christian and it never once made me love anything on earth more than I was an atheist (in fact it made me love it less)
If you want your children to see some beautiful show them real things like history: we are a long line of succession from Greek, to Rome, to Europe, to America.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439490043
49632205,49641197,2015-08-13 18:22:14,">Grew up Catholic, went to church every sunday
>Became the edgiest edgelord of all in my teen years
>Even worse in college, and actively mocked believers wherever I saw them
>Adamantly believed that one lead a meaningful and moral life (that was coherent) sans religion.
>Read Craig's ""The Absurdity of Life Without God""
>thatcognitivedissonance.jpg
>Slowly became a deist to resolve the problem of the meaning of life and morality, much like Alan Turing
>Slowly found deism to be contradictory, for if god does not intervene or interact with creation, why bother in the first place?
>Now a Christian that cringes impossibly hard when I recall my youth as an atheist
>mfw I see atheists now and remember that that was what I was like but worse",,Anonymous,wat.jpg,KK/Qhm+4KM+hdG+yDsnZXw==,US,,1439490134
49632205,49641251,2015-08-13 18:23:25,">>49640833
I was kinda goofin, but it reminded me of a line from meditations. 
>Why, what else than to venerate the gods and bless them, and to do good to men, and to practise tolerance and self-restraint; but as to everything which is beyond the limits of the poor flesh and breath, to remember that this is neither thine nor in thy power.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490205
49632205,49641271,2015-08-13 18:23:48,">>49632793
I was raised Catholic, then turned Atheist, and now I've mellow out into a deist I think. I think it comes from the fact that I believe there is objective moral truths in the world. Atheism cannot agree on that besides coming close with something like contractarianism. This can be bad though due to a degenerate culture (much like ours). So, in that regard I am pushed to believe there is something greater that defines our moral truths besides, ""Well, we're doing the best with what we got.""
Maybe not a good reason to most, but it's enough to push me towards deism or at least some sort of unifying force.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490228
49632205,49641278,2015-08-13 18:23:53,">>49641020
Well I would not deny that the majority of people are religious, however the majority having a certain behaviour does not mean that there have not always been atheists. Majorities do not mean minorities do not exist after all. So I think that arguing that because religious people have always been a majority means that all people are born religious or with a desire for a creator of some sort is wrong.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439490233
49632205,49641403,2015-08-13 18:26:47,">>49639922
>>Still can't get over the hump of not believing there is a god
Same situation.
http://www.returnofkings.com/61435/taking-your-kids-to-church-will-turn-them-into-degenerates
Best find a local orthodox church, but don't expect it to be fun or lively. It's dying. Mormons are super-involved, but experiencing a flight of the youth.
Best church is Synagogue for business contacts. I don't think we'd fit in though.
/pol/, Men's Rights / PUA community is the new church for men.",,Anonymous,1436744554260.jpg,W7mY8mqFBrFt2XtfZmnyVA==,US,,1439490407
49632205,49641417,2015-08-13 18:27:02,">>49641130
read the rest of my post. To expand, your stance supposes an optical illusion occurred entirely by chance amongst isolated and separate groups with different variables affecting their lifestyle. I guess that makes sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490422
49632205,49641452,2015-08-13 18:27:57,">>49632205
>>What made you an atheist?
The internet I guess
>>What made you first question atheism?
I don't even think about it. I don't need to. 
>>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
Still Atheist. I've never felt religion needs to be part of my life since I became one. 
>>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist?
I haven't stopped and no it hasn't changed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490477
49632205,49641462,2015-08-13 18:28:10,">>49639036
>Admitting it's possible is not the same that thing as believing there is a higher power
You are mistaking knowledge with certainty.
It would be political, intellectual, and scientific suicide to say that they are certain there is a higher power.
Its not they are admitting its impossible, they are saying that if they had to choose, what is more likely, the probability of a higher power is more probable than the probability of there not being a higher power.
Citations.
>Stephen Hawking
He is the easiest, I cant think of an instance beyond his bibliography/life story, but the man seems devoted to science, and his conclusions lead him to consider that there is a higher power/God/gods/what have you.
>David Berlinski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XIDykeZplU&list=LLEJ86F_SKY4eNkhx-B77d-Q&index=36
>Richard Dawkins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c63awtAyHdU&index=11&list=LLEJ86F_SKY4eNkhx-B77d-Q
Ignore the rest of the movie if you will, but at the end there is an interview with Dawkins weighing in on things so to speak.
He is careful about his words saying that he/we/everyone can never truly know for sure. 
But he is open to the idea and it is a probable conclusion.
He has even postulated that Humans are ultimately the work of aliens. 
Which despite being outlandish is a completely viable theory.
You might think its crazy, but hey science and its pretensions have never been normal or natural to the common man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490490
49632205,49641472,2015-08-13 18:28:21,">>49632832
>The kill themselves
Truly an epic meme, my slant eyed friend.",,Anonymous,1430161791868.jpg,NATyRHzYlahQ1nPcQBgwDQ==,US,,1439490501
49632205,49641485,2015-08-13 18:28:36,">>49641133
>>49641130
Plus other goofballs. If you want to discuss the veracity of belief in a deity, please start another thread. I know you feel threatened by this one, and are questioning your beliefs with every post, but I think you're impeding the intended conversation with your continued shitposting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490516
49632205,49641510,2015-08-13 18:29:02,">>49641197
Is that really all it was?
Morality and meaning in an atheist life are fucking easy.
That's baby-tier.
Just look at things consequentially and you will not only does everything have meaning but there is no possible situation in which it CAN'T have meaning
Meaning is derived from consequence and everything you do has consequence. At the quantam phyics level even LOOKING AT SOMETHING has consequences.
What's funny is everything you are talking about was resolved before Christianity even existed.
The Greeks had Gods yes. But the Gods did not give meaning or value, they only controlled nature. Imagine an entire society that got it's meaning and values without God.
Than Christianity comes along and tells everyone nothing matters without God. We took all the meaning we used to have for yourself and sacrificed it on God's altar. Than we destroyed God and started looking for meaning.
We had forgotten that it was we had made the meaning ourself! The ancient Greeks would have laughed at someone saying they are struggling with 'meaning' or 'only find meaning in God'",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439490542
49632205,49641551,2015-08-13 18:29:58,">>49641417
Religions survive and spread because that is what the religious want. Hold these religions up to scrutiny and they fall apart though",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439490598
49632205,49641598,2015-08-13 18:30:47,">>49641271
>I think it comes from the fact that I believe there is objective moral truths in the world
This is the foundation of my beliefs as well, brother.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490647
49632205,49641606,2015-08-13 18:30:57,">>49641485
There has no been a single religious thread in which opposing camps did not gather.
The Christians go to the atheist threads. The Atheists go to the Christian threads. BOTH of them go to the Muslim threads.
It's like making a thread on the Republican party and being surprised when someone comes up to say the GOP has bad policies.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439490657
49632205,49641651,2015-08-13 18:31:54,">>49641606
Yes, but this thread wasn't a ""Christianity is awesome. All others stupid"" thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490714
49632205,49641718,2015-08-13 18:33:28,">>49641485
You really are this fucking stupid, aren't you?
I suggest you go back to the posts you quoted and actually try to UNDERSTAND them this time.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439490808
49632205,49641722,2015-08-13 18:33:34,">>49641197
Nice, your story reminds me of myself. 
>>Slowly found deism to be contradictory, for if god does not intervene or interact with creation, why bother in the first place?
Would you mind expanding on this?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439490814
49632205,49641758,2015-08-13 18:34:06,">>49641068
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
I mean, the wiki page says its a forgery and pretty inaccurate but Ill give it a look
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima
I never heard of it lol, will read it though.
>http://www.bethlehemstar.com/
Im not in a position to download a movie right now, will when I get back home to stable internet goodness.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439490846
49632205,49641884,2015-08-13 18:36:55,">>49641598
I've been struggling with it because I often fall into the trap of relativism. For example, I was debating with a friend whether seppuku in Japan was immoral. She, a strong Christian, believed it is always wrong to commit suicide. Whereas I argued we cannot understand their culture fully from a western point of view and perhaps it was the moral thing to do, dying with honor etc.
But if there is objective moral truths in this world, she is correct and I am wrong. I still struggle with coming to a consensus. Maybe I just need more research.",,Anonymous,1437353131016.png,wnrixOeAqk/N9+aAo/qMWA==,US,,1439491015
49632205,49641915,2015-08-13 18:37:25,">>49641251
Contemporary science is on par with Marcus Aurelius, some biologists even postulate that humans have a ""god gene"" one that gives man a predisposition to believe in a higher power.
With this premise (uncertain further study is needed) we can conclude 1 of two things.
We evolved this gene without a higher power and here's why :Religion is the winners game plan, opiate of the masses as Marx puts it. A common belief can be used to unite entire continents under one banner. But then again religion and common belief is a product of organized society and society was made in spite of Evolution. (the weak can still prosper, the strong don't always pass on their genes etc...)
Man might also have a need for something larger than himself, ally himself with something or someone stronger so survive ability goes up.
Now consider the second conclusion :There is a higher power, that put it there, or because of human sentience we are cognizant of things that ""dumb"" creatures are not, and the ""god gene"" is the actualization of humanistic reasoning determining that there is a higher power and ""sensing"" intuitively realizing that that it is there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491045
49632205,49641918,2015-08-13 18:37:30,">>49640769
It cannot explain the past, present or future, and has no upside.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491050
49632205,49641950,2015-08-13 18:38:00,">>49641718
I answered the first one. I don't necessarily disagree with the second post, I just think he's taking the bible too literally. You can go back as far as you'd like, but you'll eventually get to the west being heavily influenced by Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491080
49632205,49641955,2015-08-13 18:38:05,">>49640608
When the truth is a lie to you, what hope do you have?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491085
49632205,49642058,2015-08-13 18:39:51,">>49640128
It's the Malachy prophecies made iirc in the 12th century detailing the number of popes from that pope then on his throne to the last pope.
The number of the last pope is the number of this pope, and he is well aware of the prophecy. He named himself Francis, the son of Peter, as the last pope is described as ""Petrus Romanus"", or Peter of Rome.
He is not only the black pope of the Jesuits, but the False Prophet of the Antichrist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491191
49632205,49642097,2015-08-13 18:40:38,">>49641955
The same can be said in reverse.
>when the lie is a truth to you, what hope do you have?
You just think it's the truth cause its what you want to believe.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1439491238
49632205,49642101,2015-08-13 18:40:42,">>49640676
There are only two choices. For Jesus, or Against Jesus. And the default is Against Jesus, as we were born into a fallen and spiritually dead race.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491242
49632205,49642135,2015-08-13 18:41:15,">>49640731
Dogma is by definition fact.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491275
49632205,49642143,2015-08-13 18:41:21,">>49641918
By upside do you mean heaven?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491281
49632205,49642163,2015-08-13 18:41:43,">>49641884
There's objective true. Relativism is retarded, m8. The problem is perspective and asymmetric information. 
Think about it like a trial. One thing you'll notice when you call witnesses to the stand is that they'll often have wildly conflicting stories (mike brown wuz a gud boy had iz hands up. Jokes aside, even people who are being honest). However, regardless of what witnesses say and what the jury concludes, there was a definite and objective event that occurred.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491303
49632205,49642171,2015-08-13 18:41:52,">>49641884
Here's the thing about morality: morality is a tool to improve your society. Because of this it can never be objective. Ritual suicide was GOOD for japan because it reinforced the honor code that made their warriors so successful. Ritual suicide is BAD for westerns because our honor code is not compatible with it.
People assume once you say morality is relative it means you can do whatever the fuck you want. Well we already can do whatever the fuck we want (seriously I could go on a killing spree right now if I want. I could probably get 20 kills before the cops show up). It is up to the human society to create it's own morality that helps them succeed. Morality is a tool. 
Another example: not eating pork used to be morally good because pork was not cooked properly. Now that we have better cooking it is not longer morally bad. Morality is not absolute or objective, it's simply a tool to improve society.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439491312
49632205,49642201,2015-08-13 18:42:25,">>49641133
I feel sorry for your kids that their sperm donor thinks that degenerate and homosexual empires are the height of human endeavor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491345
49632205,49642214,2015-08-13 18:42:38,">>49639853
>>49639743
I don't know, it was really overwhelming. It was a religious procession, not just the sermon, you know talk and stuff. I wasn't religious, but decided to come anyway. It was held by a priest that was somewhat special, they call them the charismatics. 
Anyway, at one moment, he was carrying the body of Christ around, and people, including my mother, started talking in languages. If you don't know what that is, google it, it's insane.
So, I get in this some sort of trans, and my body is tingling with energy. I can't open my eyes, yet it feels so good. It's like an orgasm, except every fucking atom in your body is experiencing it. I was later told I stood there for like 30 minutes.
Sadly I can't tell you how to chant or anything, in order to experience whatever that was. I tried but had no luck. I had another experience in a short time after, in a church.
It has happened 10 years ago, and I think about it every day. 
10 years have passed since, and I am thinking about that every day, it got me interested in philosophy and physics, but all we get from these is information, not happiness or life experience.
I am well acquainted with quantum mechanics, ontology and cosmology, but I wouldn't be religious had it not been for that experience.
Pic related",,Anonymous,KantBeer_copy.jpg,P5ZAbZIYucdf8wQela/rqA==,HR,,1439491358
49632205,49642252,2015-08-13 18:43:18,">>49642171
>morality is a tool
This is what fedoras actually believe.",,Anonymous,1436499600350.png,WIB8de8yVPMUbagRIyIQmw==,US,,1439491398
49632205,49642282,2015-08-13 18:43:44,">>49642097
""I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life; no man comes to the Father but by Me.""
--Jesus of Nazareth
I'm not giving you my opinion, PR",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491424
49632205,49642298,2015-08-13 18:44:02,">>49641915
Yes, I was reading about this recently. Super fascinating.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491442
49632205,49642312,2015-08-13 18:44:19,">>49642143
One of the many upsides of the christian worldview is to gain entrance into heaven.
An atheistic worldview has literally no upside.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491459
49632205,49642383,2015-08-13 18:45:48,">>49641915
or
we are not alone",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491548
49632205,49642396,2015-08-13 18:46:05,">>49642214
Talking in tongues*, sorry.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439491565
49632205,49642412,2015-08-13 18:46:31,">>49642058
So you mean, the end of days will come in his mandate aka. lifetime?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439491591
49632205,49642439,2015-08-13 18:46:45,">>49632205
Atheists have Generals?
Can i be a Captain?",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1439491605
49632205,49642455,2015-08-13 18:47:07,">>49642214
>started talking in languages
Your mom is evangelical, like my mom. I've heard the tongues, it's fucking bizarre. People can talk all the shit they want, but these are the kindest and most loving people I've ever met. 
>So, I get in this some sort of trans, and my body is tingling with energy. I can't open my eyes, yet it feels so good. It's like an orgasm, except every fucking atom in your body is experiencing it. I was later told I stood there for like 30 minutes.
Wow. That's wild! I wish I could experience that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491627
49632205,49642456,2015-08-13 18:47:08,"1) 9/11 and war in Aghanistan. I was like 8 and in a Catholic school that didn't teach science. It all compounded to be a perfect storm for ""then where the fuck is God?""
2) I've always been into science and math, and so when I read this quote: 
“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.” -W.Heisenberg
I decided that I should reanalyze my world. I decided, again, that atheism made more sense to me at the moment, but my mind was more open. 
3) A Diest of sorts. Emerson's works on the Oversoul have influenced my religion drastically. 
4) I got tons of friends, lost weight, got a girl friend, a whole lot has happened in the 4 year process it took to become a Deist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491628
49632205,49642477,2015-08-13 18:47:42,">>49642171
>pork was morally bad because it was undercooked
>morally bad
>morally
>not physically
You are seriously the biggest retard in this thread right now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491662
49632205,49642479,2015-08-13 18:47:44,I became an atheist,,Anonymous,,,MX,,1439491664
49632205,49642518,2015-08-13 18:48:22,">>49642456
>“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”
This explains my experience perfectly. I absolutely love this quote.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491702
49632205,49642543,2015-08-13 18:48:57,">>49641251
Morality doesn't exist outside the context of civilization. There is no morality in evolution. Morality is simply the evolutionary strategy of cooperation that makes civilization possible. This is why objective moral truths can be discovered--just like law can be discovered. I understand that you want to believe in order and civilization. Incidentally, the majority of /pol/ wants to. That's because this is our [k selected] strategy. We want order, because we only thrive in order. But Order without God is possible. Keep inquiring.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439491737
49632205,49642566,2015-08-13 18:49:27,">>49641758
>>49642058
Honestly, though, don't set too much in store by it. The prophecy can get a little general and kind of sketchy. I think St. Nilus and St. Hildagard are far better at predicting things, personally.
The Fatima one is more well known among Catholics, I think. 
And I also forgot to mention to you one of the most intriguing catholic miracles, the Miracle of Lanciano. It might seem a little gross.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Lanciano
There are a few more modern ones I might post later.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491767
49632205,49642574,2015-08-13 18:49:39,">>49642477
>>49642252
Ritual suicide: good or bad?
The thing is if there is one morality that is good for all people, in all cultures, and all societies than you cannot change the morality. A change in morality means it's not absolute or universal. You can't say that one culture's actions are beneficial to it's own culture but not others. 
And why would a tool for improvement be bad? Tools are how humanity succeeds and morality has been one of our most powerful tools.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439491779
49632205,49642585,2015-08-13 18:49:51,">>49642439
Only if I can be a Lieutenant.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439491791
49632205,49642611,2015-08-13 18:50:17,">>49642312
That's not exactly true. When you're an atheist you don't have to live your life worrying about whether or not you made the right choices in life. 
You don't have to live under stressful rules of church and can feel more free as a person.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491817
49632205,49642624,2015-08-13 18:50:35,">>49642396
Well cant say for you, but, that can be explained by a positive placebo effect of sorts combined with the crowd mentality of being surrounded by people who look like theyr feeling something so you should probably feel something too.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439491835
49632205,49642655,2015-08-13 18:51:26,">>49641510
> At the quantum physics level even LOOKING AT SOMETHING has consequences.
Thats wrong lol.
And dont even get me started on that fucking electrons experiment, I dare you",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1439491886
49632205,49642661,2015-08-13 18:51:32,">>49642518
It's a ridiculous quote. 93% of scientists are atheists. Your experience means shit in the big picture, as does that silly piece of rhetoric.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491892
49632205,49642666,2015-08-13 18:51:40,">>49642611
>When you're an atheist you don't have to live your life worrying about whether or not you made the right choices in life
>implying this is a good thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491900
49632205,49642696,2015-08-13 18:52:10,">>49642479
lack of catholic religion fuels mexico's problems",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439491930
49632205,49642713,2015-08-13 18:52:37,">>49642666
>666
o shit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491957
49632205,49642720,2015-08-13 18:52:40,">>49642661
Where are you getting that number from, your uderbreast? The highest I've seen is 40%.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439491960
49632205,49642770,2015-08-13 18:53:30,">>49635630
>>49636077
>>As far as I understand, Quantum Mechanics does not imply this.
Leave it to fucking americans to get schooled on science by a turk.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439492010
49632205,49642771,2015-08-13 18:53:32,">>49642455
Are you acquainted with philosophy of science? When you scratch the surface, and read historical data of how science developed, you see that, and historians and phil. of science agree on this, the science has not been a tool of truth, and, most importantly, it is very doubtful it will.
Also, are you acquainted with philosophy of mind?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492012
49632205,49642791,2015-08-13 18:53:48,>>49632205,,Anonymous,thankyou jesus.jpg,jqHlSxnxGMxCE89r8rTtSQ==,CO,,1439492028
49632205,49642819,2015-08-13 18:54:21,">>49633106
>I continue to do research. My deism is based on:
>>Cosmology 
>>Quantum Mechanics
>>Ontology
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439492061
49632205,49642825,2015-08-13 18:54:33,">>49642574
Morality doesn't exist inside the context of cultures. Cultures can be immoral and still exist just fine in a societal structure, but have a hard time expanding because there is little reverence for good & fraternity. 
Morality is universal because its based on a certain empathy that everyone has, but was brought out explicitly in Christ Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439492073
49632205,49642831,2015-08-13 18:54:39,">>49642770
he didn't pose a rebuttal. You can though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439492079
49632205,49642906,2015-08-13 18:56:22,">>49642624
That's what I thought, and I researched the placebo. The thing is I wasn't religious, yet had 2 experiences, both different. When I became religious, I tried to achieve it with no luck, some here and there tho.
If I have a part of brain that is capable of providing me with THAT, and turn my cognition around, which was the most obvious effect, that is more of a proof, at least to keep searching, not just apriori give up like an atheistic person.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492182
49632205,49642921,2015-08-13 18:56:34,">>49642819
Typical neckbeard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439492194
49632205,49642957,2015-08-13 18:57:16,">>49642566
Huh, das weird, especially the study in 71 that found it genuine. Although, that may be a biased party. Looking forward to some future investigations.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492236
49632205,49642978,2015-08-13 18:57:53,">>49642906
I'm happy for you, m8. I would love to experience something like this. Atheistfags would rather be unhappy in their mom's basement.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439492273
49632205,49643011,2015-08-13 18:58:34,">>49642770
1) I'm not a turk
2) I'm close to 3 SDs above German average IQ.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439492314
49632205,49643016,2015-08-13 18:58:41,">>49642906
Im an Atheist and I never gave up per say, I just never found anything. Maybe I get an experience simmilar to yours that will convince me, who knows.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492321
49632205,49643070,2015-08-13 18:59:42,">>49642696
Yea its not the rampant poverty or the lack of education or a culture of crime and child abuse. Sure.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492382
49632205,49643101,2015-08-13 19:00:21,">>49642978
Thanks burgerbro, I thank God for that day, although it's hard pursuing science and philosophy, you know, the more you dig the worse it gets. 
Ignorance really is a bliss.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492421
49632205,49643212,2015-08-13 19:02:27,"William Lane Craig fucking eviscerated my atheism. I was raised religiously, of course but eh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439492547
49632205,49643231,2015-08-13 19:02:42,">>49643070
> culture of crime
stems from what i said
>education
secular education encourages a libertine sexuality,which is worse then theft
>poverty
rich people are more inmoral the poor people in general
>child abuse
liberals oppose traditional family organization",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439492562
49632205,49643330,2015-08-13 19:04:25,">What made you an atheist? 
A-religious family, a-religious surroundings, a-religious zeitgeist.
>What made you first question atheism?
Art, oddly enough. Stirred a feeling, planted the seed.
>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
Unsure, I pray. I go to mass. I do the whole catholic one-two but I lack certainty. Perhaps that's a natural degree of skepsis. Perhaps it's ethical relativism. Perhaps. 
>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist? 
I feel less alone.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439492665
49632205,49643333,2015-08-13 19:04:27,">>49643016
Kažem ti, had it not been for that day, I wouldn't be religious. 
Considering the information we have, or arguments for and against, there is no evidence for God - as we conceive it (idealism, phenomenalism etc. are on this track). I think that being an atheist or theist is logical, but not assholes who want to flame.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492667
49632205,49643394,2015-08-13 19:05:33,">>49643231
>stems from what i said
how? Crime is rampant in Christian African countries
>secular education encourages a libertine sexuality,which is worse then theft
How is that worse than theft?
>rich people are more inmoral the poor people in general
Maybe so, but shouldnt mexico have it good then, cuz not many rich people?
>liberals oppose traditional family organization
How does a traditional family prevent child abuse?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492733
49632205,49643430,2015-08-13 19:06:06,"The way I see: God creates Man, Man creates Machine, Machine creates God. 
I became an atheist through my interests in science but I actually love how much culture religion brings into this word. From the Sistine Chapel to Islamic geometric art, religion has brought a central core of art and values to good-hearted people.
I wish to seek 'enlightenment', the answers to the Universe, creation, etc. by perhaps linking human mind with machine so that we may perhaps become our own Gods, not bound by fathomable laws, both of science and ethics.
The technological singularity is coming soon. I do not believe in God at this point, but if the machines present our minds evidence that it is true, then I would definitely switch my beliefs to that.
What a thrilling time it is to be alive.",,Anonymous,Creation.jpg,lTinUw45NPaBGMorEnRSDA==,US,,1439492766
49632205,49643509,2015-08-13 19:07:32,">>49642825
>Morality is universal because its based on a certain empathy that everyone has, but was brought out explicitly in Christ Jesus.
Morality existed before Christianity, this should tell you that Christianity is not fucking needed for morality.. Empathy is not something absolute, for instance wars are not an act of empathy but you wouldn't deny they are essential? Furthermore not everyone has the same empathy. Do you think ISIS has the same type of empathy as you do? inb4 people I do not like are 'evil' and only my specific brand of empathy counts.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439492852
49632205,49643547,2015-08-13 19:08:07,">>49643333
I am always on the lookout for something that may change my mind, but as you said, there isnt anything really.
 I always try to go against the stereotype of the asshole internet atheist who hates everything and spews insults left and right.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439492887
49632205,49643650,2015-08-13 19:10:09,">>49643394
>crime
a man must NOT be naive. Obama using killer drines is murder. taxes and banking are theft.
youre being racist for over-looking the crimes of other countries outside Africa
>How is that worse than theft?
families have a Right to ensure their daughter is pure, so its commiting violence against a family
>ut shouldnt mexico have it good then, cuz not many rich people?
>not many
IRRELEVANT. what matters is how the poor do -in comparision-. to the others in the country
>How does a traditional family prevent child abuse?
abuse steems from lack of mother-father, for example single parents",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439493009
49632205,49643695,2015-08-13 19:10:56,">>49643016
Kažem ti, had it not been for that day, I wouldn't be religious. 
Considering the information we have, or arguments for and against, there is no evidence for God - as we conceive it (idealism, phenomenalism etc. are on this track). I think that being an atheist is logical, but God has nothing to do with logic. 
The scientists are well aware of the limitations of human cognition and science, and we could talk for ages about this because everyone agrees on this. That's why the more they, or you research, the more you see things are not as black and white, and that we cannot conclusively determine anything- from the atom to the validity of science. 
Google scientific realism and instrumentalism.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439493056
49632205,49643704,2015-08-13 19:11:09,">>49643509
I never said it didn't exist before Christianity. Calm down, fedora. I said it was finally made explicit in Christ Jesus as the embodiment of morality.
-2/10 strawman. Try again later.
To answer your question about ISIS, you should look up the definitions of sociopathy.",,Anonymous,1409154571748.jpg,sW+uTECb8PxjzBXOJo/kJg==,US,,1439493069
49632205,49643851,2015-08-13 19:14:19,">>49643650
>a man must NOT be naive. Obama using killer drines is murder. taxes and banking are theft.
>youre being racist for over-looking the crimes of other countries outside Africa
Yea yea poor victims, its always Obongo and the Juice.
>families have a Right to ensure their daughter is pure, so its commiting violence against a family
I havent heard of such a right, and its the daughters fault if she consents/the parents for not raising her right
>IRRELEVANT. what matters is how the poor do -in comparision-. to the others in the country
The poor have high crime rates compared to rich people in the country
>abuse steems from lack of mother-father, for example single parents
Ummm many people would disagree, who grew up with both a mom and a dad but were beaten by a drunkard dad or mom while the other parent cried in the corner.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439493259
49632205,49643873,2015-08-13 19:14:49,">>49643430
>if the machines present our minds evidence that it is true,
I don't think post-singularity machines will bother to explain you things. They'll just use your atoms as the necessary resources for computation.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439493289
49632205,49643946,2015-08-13 19:16:04,">>49635630
>In order for something to exist, it must have an observer.
You mean for a wave to collapse into a particle it must have another particle smashed against it? I can't believe how misinterpreted the double slit experiment gets",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439493364
49632205,49643976,2015-08-13 19:16:50,">>49643704
>meaningless vague statements like ""made explicit""
>9gag tier reaction image
-4/10 see me after class",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439493410
49632205,49644021,2015-08-13 19:17:45,">>49632793
>i'd like to see a secular born atheist jump into religion based on reason and logic rather than someone indoctrinated since childhood falling back into old patterns.
David P. Withun",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439493465
49632205,49644030,2015-08-13 19:17:57,">>49643946
I blame the deist physicists.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1439493477
49632205,49644086,2015-08-13 19:19:06,">>49643704
>Christ Jesus as the embodiment of morality.
Please, Jesus was the biggest loser in the bible. It was only be doing the exact opposite of what Jesus did that society was fucking able to survive. Jesus's way of life was passive resistance ""turn the other cheek"" ""love your enemy"". If you tried that in war you would be fucking killed.
>ISIS
You don't think ISIS believes they are moral, that what they do is good. Or the Nazis, or the Soviety troops, or the Spartans. All of them were merciless and without empathy. Empathy is not the defining point of morality. EVERYONE thinks they are moral!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439493546
49632205,49644134,2015-08-13 19:20:00,">>49642957
I suppose it may be a little biased. I do also hope they do future investigations, but I believe the issue now is that they are afraid of thieves or damaging it, not to mention I think they need the Pope's approval to inspect it, and he is a busy man.
I think the Catholic Church has the largest number of scientific miracles, but I'm not sure, will look up.
List of the most legit miracles:
http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-astonishing-miracles/
I used to be like you, when I thought of God I felt nothing, like there was nothing there. All I listened to was rock music, I was basically a nihilist. I was depressed. And suicidal. And then I began to listen to classical music, and I know it's harder to relate to because there are no words, but it is truly beautiful, and not by some shit modern pop music standard. And through all that is how I realized that God is basically love, which is how I finally felt something.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439493600
49632205,49644184,2015-08-13 19:21:14,">>49642720
The National Academy is roughly like 80% atheist or something. world wide, it's 50%.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439493674
49632205,49644194,2015-08-13 19:21:22,">>49643695
Well I mean, yea. Our perception is always flawed and cannot be trusted. Only a perfect machine would really truly experience whats around it without error.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439493682
49632205,49644233,2015-08-13 19:22:08,">>49644086
>believing you are doing good, actually makes it good
Shit I can't believe you are actually THIS stupid. The cognitive dissonance you fedoras exhibit is mind boggling.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439493728
49632205,49644345,2015-08-13 19:24:15,">>49644086
>Doing opposite of Jesus, societ was able to survive
>Western Rome remains pagan and falls in 412AD
>Eastern Rome converts to Christianity and survives an additional 1000 years
Are you even trying Fedora? This is plebbit tier regurgitation.",,Anonymous,1392771852672s.jpg,FMrCuo0wcdGAYnCq0QijEQ==,US,,1439493855
49632205,49644457,2015-08-13 19:26:46,">>49644345
>implying being ""christian"" = acting like Jesus",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439494006
49632205,49644493,2015-08-13 19:27:33,">>49644233
So let me get your thinking straight. Morality is defined by the Christian bible.
And every society that existed before the bible was made in around the year 200 was just sort of bumping into each other with no sense of morality! And than the Catholic church comes along and tells the whole world that they are wrong. They values they had made for themself are all lies. The one true way to judge the world was layed out by a Jewish carpenter. The these same Christians spent the last 2,000 years arguing about what Jesus actually meant and what is and isn't allowed by the bible! And that one of these many different interpretations is the absolute truth about the world (you can't tell which) and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439494053
49632205,49644497,2015-08-13 19:27:35,">>49642831
You confuse the scientific term ""observation"" which in QM basically means ""measurement"" with actual observation. 
Some effects in quantum mechanics only appear when an event is unobserved etc.
It's not like only by somebody witnessing something, that something exists. 
>>49643011
Sure you do, Ahmed. Now go back to making my kebab.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439494055
49632205,49644511,2015-08-13 19:27:51,">>49644134
I dont listen to mindless westpop either, mostly hardcore EDM and indierock. I know what you mean about the no-words beauty of some music, there is also some EDM music like that, for example this: https://soundcloud.com/321jrmusic/jamison-randall-grand-scheme-1",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439494071
49632205,49644517,2015-08-13 19:27:57,">>49644345
Paganism was made illegal in 391AD in the Western Roman Empire.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439494077
49632205,49644548,2015-08-13 19:28:36,">>49632993
This",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439494116
49632205,49644599,2015-08-13 19:29:44,">>49643011
I think I mentioned you as the only smart atheist in this thread. Plus, not a douche.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439494184
49632205,49644624,2015-08-13 19:30:15,">>49644599
I don't think I have been a douche in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439494215
49632205,49644631,2015-08-13 19:30:24,">>49643851
>, its always Obongo and the Juice.
obama DOES use drones
>I havent heard of such a right,
rights are natural, not constitutional
>he poor have high crime rates compared to rich people in the country
youre an atheist;your religion is the State.
being rich is a social crime and the rich commit adultery,drunkness,etc
>>49643851
>Ummm many people would disagree
they dont suppport traditional family",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439494224
49632205,49644638,2015-08-13 19:30:25,">>49644599
I take offense to that *slaps with internet glove*",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439494225
49632205,49644737,2015-08-13 19:32:31,>>49634872,,Anonymous,Fr. Seraphim.jpg,cGYO7NEZk++xqy1XUSsQ1w==,US,,1439494351
49632205,49644752,2015-08-13 19:32:40,">>49644184
This is from Pew and the most recent study I've seen. Also, I was wrong, 41% is the number. Still, not quite the 93% you suggested.",,Anonymous,goofball.png,oUuypbvMoZtKN7zR7YPPyQ==,US,,1439494360
49632205,49644866,2015-08-13 19:34:50,">>49644631
>obama DOES use drones
He does, whats your point
>rights are natural, not constitutional
where in nature did you take that right from?
>youre an atheist;your religion is the State.
no it isnt, I dont have a religion
>being rich is a social crime 
It is not a crime, its called doing good for yourself.
>the rich commit adultery,drunkness,etc
The poor commit the same, whats your point?
>they dont suppport traditional family
The fact that they were beaten in their youth in a 2 parent household might and might not influence their support for a traditional family, it doesnt matter. My point is, traditional family doesnt stop voilence against children.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439494490
49632205,49644919,2015-08-13 19:35:49,">>49632205
>What made you an atheist?
Questioning my faith
>What made you first question atheism?
Realising it doesn't have any special privilege
>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why
Pro-Christian agnostic. Europe is fading away, culturally, so I decided to stop being a smug pseudo-intellectual cunt.
>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist? 
Like mentioned before, I've learnt some humility; and regained faith in myself and the continent's values.
It's already fading away under lefties and Islam. Better stop being an effeminate know it all before other people start dictating what I should believe in.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439494549
49632205,49644943,2015-08-13 19:36:33,">>49644194
No not just that, that's what you hear all the time. I don't know how versed you are in science or philosophy. Read about Hesinberg's uncertainty. If you wan't to learn about how contemporary scientists see science, not as a tool of truth but as a set of probabilities, google theory ladeness, or underdetermination of theory by data. Or better yet, read Kuhn's Structure of Scientific revolutions. It is 150 pages, it's easy to read, and it is probably the most cited book in academia in the last century. It was written by a scientist who gives specific examples of how physicists and chemists had wrong conjectures as a result of limited human cognition. Try googling the demarcation problem, or problem of scientific method, that is the best start.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439494593
49632205,49645029,2015-08-13 19:38:06,">>49644919
People should read this",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439494686
49632205,49645064,2015-08-13 19:38:49,">>49644599
Oy m8, I asked earlier whether you were acquainted with philosophy of science, or phil. of mind?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439494729
49632205,49645124,2015-08-13 19:40:05,">>49645064
I think i remember that. Sorry about that. Mind.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439494805
49632205,49645239,2015-08-13 19:42:20,">>49644943
Im pretty pleb-level tbh. Im gonna look into that and prolly download that book when I get the chance. Learning is always useful.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439494940
49632205,49645412,2015-08-13 19:45:48,">>49632205
No matter what you belief, you're still a fedora.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1439495148
49632205,49645555,2015-08-13 19:48:40,">>49645239
The book is easy to read, assholes from Harvard complained to him that it wasn't professional enough, little did they know it would become a must for every scientist. If you ever heard of the term ""paradigm shift"", it became widespread afterwards. Start with the google suggestions,they are not too long, and it's not any metaphysical-wow-bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439495320
49632205,49645610,2015-08-13 19:49:56,">>49645124
What do you say about the physicalism hype? Also, are you acquainted with neutral monism? I find it really alluring, although there's not much about it.",,Anonymous,sFm3wan.jpg,UxO6nRRg2dP67kJquRYctw==,HR,,1439495396
49632205,49645738,2015-08-13 19:52:40,">>49645029
Don't worry, dude. There's plenty of people who think like this.
Whatever happens, we'll not be completely wiped out. ;-)
I say good riddance to those who give up on themselves.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439495560
49632205,49645832,2015-08-13 19:54:30,">>49645738
The problem is easy to deal with.
Deport kebab, close border. Ez as pie.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439495670
49632205,49645858,2015-08-13 19:54:57,">>49632205
>What made you an atheist?
When I was around 12 I found that I did not believe in miracles, and the idea of God struck me as implausible on a gut level. The laws of Nature did not seem to me to have any purpose, or at least none related to human well-being. 
>What made you first question atheism?
Nothing so far has made me question my lack of belief in God. Anyone who values truth must follow the method of reason, and I find religion to be repellent to the rational mind. The falsity of the tenets of the Nicene Creed seems as certain to me as any fact the human mind can know.
>What are your beliefs now (agnostic, deist, theist, etc.) and why?
They have not. My incredulity has been steady ever since, and been repeatedly reinforced whenever I take the time to contemplate any aspect of religious doctrine.
>How has your life changed since you stopped being a dopey atheist? 
It has not, and I have not. To paraphrase Mitch Hedberg: I used to be an atheist. I still am but I used to be too.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1439495697
49632205,49645980,2015-08-13 19:57:34,">>49645832
If only. The people still have to demand that.
That's why I'm glad this refugee crisis came about. People are finally waking up to its implications.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439495854
49632205,49646035,2015-08-13 19:58:56,">>49644752
Scientist here.
First, I should seriously ask you to untip your le bazinga fedora. Working among scientists, you realize 90% of htem are regular tards (not that I necessarly place me in the 10%) with a peculiar set of prejudices, as I guess, many professions. 
Then I should consider the ridiculousness of such questions. This type of surveys often gives extravagant results.
Pew has a bizarre record. I also remember them saying something like a third of all priests not believing in God, which reaches unexpected proportions of ridicule.
Third, such a survey would be subject to so many bias as to make it unreadable. Remember the ""97% consensus"" about global warming? A quick glance beyond this figure put in some media gives a very different outlook.
Third, the current scientists have little claim of excellence over previous generations. I'd wager people from the past were much, much more worthy, if possible, of all the praise that ""Our HOLY and very HIGH protector SCIENCE [bazinga]"" often receives (sorry for the caps but I needed to mark the majesty of the Thing). And atheists were a reduced minority. I'm not a very religious man, but the writings of a man like Cauchy, or Bacon (the man who wrote the ""ridiculous quote"" above) have more weight to me, if any, than the pathetic attempt at putting me in line with a supposed consensus.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1439495936
49632205,49646101,2015-08-13 20:00:27,">>49644866
>your point
i do not understand.
i clearly adressed my point here
>>49643650
>a man must NOT be naive. Obama using killer drines is murder. taxes and banking are theft.
youre being racist for over-looking the crimes of other countries outside Africa
>where in nature did you take that right from?
natural does NOT mean that
>no it isnt, I dont have a religion
it was a metaphor.youre a Statist,thats a form of oppression
>The poor commit the same, whats your point?
they are EXCUSED because theyre poor, the aristocracy have a BURDEN to be pure and civilized
> not a crime, its called doing good for yourself
social crime",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439496027
49632205,49646179,2015-08-13 20:02:09,">>49644511
That's nice, I'm not very used to that kind of stuff, but it seems alright. And music doesn't always have to be wordless, like this gem;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbJcQYVtZMo
Remember to look up the Star of Bethlehem thing I told you about, it's pretty awesome.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439496129
49632205,49646248,2015-08-13 20:03:37,">>49646035
Glad to hear this, French scientist brother.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439496217
49632205,49646366,2015-08-13 20:06:19,">>49646101
Okay yea overlooking how its everyones else's fault for ""muh poor africa"" is racist, sure.
>natural does NOT mean that
Define natural then
>it was a metaphor.youre a Statist,thats a form of oppression
>opression
Tumblr pls go
>they are EXCUSED because theyre poor, the aristocracy have a BURDEN to be pure and civilized
Im kind of getting what you mean there. Still bottom line, mexico is fucked. Its still a great part Catholic, yet its fucked.
>social crime
define social crime",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439496379
49632205,49646405,2015-08-13 20:07:21,">>49646035
The whole new age obsession with science is kind of stupid. Although they are half-right. Science is killing religion. God and spirits went from being something did things in the unverse (ie Aquinas thought morning wood came from demons) to something that just sort of winded the universe up like a clock and let it go.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439496441
49632205,49646514,2015-08-13 20:10:19,">>49646366
>fault
a victim has no fault
the states must NOT exist
>meexico is fucked. Its still a great part Catholic, yet its fucked.
the truly catholic people are,truly,the salt of the nation, so theyre the only ones changing the problems
>define social crime
that which disrupts levels of society, wealth equality,or attempts to present and spread anything less than the most puritanical morals to the people",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439496619
49632205,49646580,2015-08-13 20:11:50,">>49646179
Oh, yea deffinately will. Also, reminds me, I know its kinda a taboo and Im probably gonna get in trouble with the /pol/ice for posting this but such is life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs .
Im a bit of a commie-nostalgic myself. 
Sing to the Motherland, the home of the free!",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1439496710
49652916,49652916,2015-08-13 22:19:18,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439504358
49652916,49652965,2015-08-13 22:20:43,">>49652916
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/RNtAGDPe
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Secular Humanism
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Response to Free Will Argument
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,1433741927349.jpg,lM+eWhdX1eeAB1q3qnIyFg==,US,,1439504443
49652916,49653067,2015-08-13 22:22:59,">update 
Started working on rebuttal to pic related.",,Dick Dorkins,1439449866700.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,US,,1439504579
49652916,49653284,2015-08-13 22:28:32,">>49653067
We need a pic of Fedora Chan to go with that once you are finished.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439504912
49652916,49653320,2015-08-13 22:29:08,">quick poll
Which of these 7 points (besides the last one) would you like to see expanded and defended? http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS",,Dick Dorkins,GallupNones.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1439504948
49652916,49653390,2015-08-13 22:31:06,">>49653284
Just the man I was looking for. I consider you unbiased. Do you think the prime mover response deserves a rebuttal? Who makes a better argument in the image?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439505066
49652916,49653446,2015-08-13 22:32:29,">>49652916
I can't take Richard Dawkins seriously. Everything he says is about as intelligent as a top comment on /r/atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439505149
49652916,49653595,2015-08-13 22:35:54,">>49653446
He's the Dick doctor",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins-rape-tweets.png,+hAADl0MyV2AmY8sEn4mMw==,US,,1439505354
49652916,49654538,2015-08-13 22:56:27,">>49653067
Good luck OP writing it up. You have a nice thread.
Any immediate criticisms to the response you want to bring to me for immediate criticism or are you good?",,WOLFSHIEM,1362460979857.png,BFpDW1mxbwWDEE/fr5PzIg==,US,,1439506587
49652916,49654878,2015-08-13 23:03:38,">>49653067
>>49653284
I haven't even bothered reading the response the Christians made. Metaphysics only fucking matter when you already assume God exists, it can't challenge science. But Christians are idiots, Wolfshiem thinks that Aristotle's physics are still totally legit. 
I was thinking about as a parody creating my own meta-phyiscs that proves an Overgod exists.
Premise 1: Concepts like movement, material, immaterial, logic, reason, existence, power, and creation cannot exist on their own. They had to be conceptualized.
Premise 2: The concept of conceptualization also had to be conceptualized. This is a paradox.
Premise 3: The paradox means conceptualization could not have existed which means creation could not have occured. 
Premise 4: The only way to resolve the paradox is to have something that is naturally a paradox. The paradox is Overgod
The living paradox is Overgod. 
The Overgod is responsible for all things that do and do not exist by creating the concept of said things. This includes the Christian God if he exists (it also includes him if he doesn't exist). All things that are conceptualized are his dominion. This would include the concept of power itself. As a living paradox anything Overgod does NOT do is also something he does do. He is capable of both doing and not doing anything including making a square circle and being more powerful than all powerful.
But the Christian God never talks about Overgod nor does any other religion. The conclusion is that the Overgod makes it so lesser Gods cannot conceptualize him. Even if the Overgod appeared before another God they would not be able to understand what they see. Because Overgod controls concepts all the other God's powers and all things that do and do not exist are merely take their power on loan from him.
Because Overgod is a living paradox even if he were proven not to exist he would still exist.
Do I win?
>>49653320
It's Buzz-feed tier",,OuterLimits,051888eee68c2e2587346e8d70fe0e62245e4c-wm.jpg,UhsCE/vqT9cEOhYGYFkCcg==,US,,1439507018
49652916,49654887,2015-08-13 23:03:48,">>49654538
Do you think a potential can move to an actual without the passage of time? If so, how? And do you have any examples of this occurring?",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_aaconf.jpg,KnSojbLa/wzm9xi7fkvNug==,US,,1439507028
49652916,49654955,2015-08-13 23:05:30,">>49653390
From what I can gather, there are weaknesses in Wolfshiem's argument which even he failed to address IMO satisfactorily, particularly on the notion of how there is no ""before"" or ""after"" prior to God's act of creating everything. 
Ok, there is no time at all but there is still some point where God made change by virtue of Creation Ex Nihilo. This means God must actualize the universe itself to make it an ""actual"". But if this is the case, there must be ""unrealized potential"", otherwise we need to assume that every single potential have been realized by this God for him to be omnipotent. This area is one of the weak spots in the argument.
What Boethius said IMO doesn't help solve this problem since at some a-temporal point, God actualized some potential that is the universe itself or multiverses and even time itself. Thus God isn't even omnipotent now given that he still have unrealized potential. After all all the other possible types of universes that could've been actualized are not actualized. Wolfshiem once tried to use this to solve the problem of foreknowledge and free will. But the main issue still remains ""Am I really free given that God infallibly know all choices and acts I would carry out?""
Another aspect Wolfshiem fails to counter is the problem of an unchanging God. He once more seems to exploit the ""there is no time prior to creation"" card which doesn't make the problem go away. It is still there. God still have to actualize a cosmos or cosmoses for there to be something instead of nothing. Change still occur.
Thus Wolfshiem does manage to counter some points but it still doesn't remove all the problems you posed to him and Aquinas. For the Atheist to demolish this, all that is needed is simply a single problem that will drag the whole argument down. It seems Wolfshiem failed to stop the argument from being demolished.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439507130
49652916,49655077,2015-08-13 23:07:51,">>49654878
>It's Buzz-feed tier
I remember debating the points with you and we agreed on a lot of it. So why not just give some feedback on which point you would like me to expand.
>Metaphysics only fucking matter when you already assume God exists
outerlimits please...
>Premise 1: Concepts like movement, material, immaterial, logic, reason, existence, power, and creation cannot exist on their own. They had to be conceptualized.
Material has to be conceptualized to exist? Why? Matter exists perfectly fine without any brains thinking about it.",,Dick Dorkins,RichardDawkins_1895745c.jpg,hV9aSHIfeEJx3IZxrRMrdQ==,US,,1439507271
49652916,49655092,2015-08-13 23:08:06,">>49652916
What if believing in religion gives you more pleasure than you get from not believing in religion? Isn't that reason enough to believe? Is the truth really that important? Maybe happiness is more important, at least for some people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439507286
49652916,49655195,2015-08-13 23:10:43,">>49655092
Well, I agree happiness is important. But is that the kind of person you want to be? Would you be truly happy with yourself living in comfortable ignorance? This is literally what Morpheus meant when he said ""the blue pill"".",,Dick Dorkins,1433805731892.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1439507443
49652916,49655321,2015-08-13 23:13:15,">>49655077
Premise 1: Concepts like movement, material, immaterial, logic, reason, existence, power, and creation cannot exist on their own. They had to be conceptualized.
What is the difference between matter and non-matter. This distinction had to exist before matter existed.
So we need a conceptualize.
>>49655077
I agree because I am already an atheist. You could write 'Christians are retarded' and I would agree with you, it's just not a good article. I don't think anyone who is not already an atheist will care about it.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439507595
49652916,49655362,2015-08-13 23:14:11,">>49655195
I think it might differ for different people. If they think it is the way to happiness for them, I don't have a problem with it. I think that ultimately the truth doesn't matter that much intrinsically, in the big picture.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439507651
49652916,49655382,2015-08-13 23:14:43,">>49654878
We should start a church of the Overgod or something. 
Anyways, I wouldn't call Christians idiots or at least all of them anyways. It takes intelligence to come up with bullshit or even try to formulate answers to a question of ""how many angels can fit on a hairpin?"". 
Metaphysics doesn't really entail supernatural stuff. If I ask anything about the nature of time, free will or how a person is to be defined, that's metaphysics. It is such a broad concept that it could really cover anything from crappy stuff to the things that have some significance and does matter.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439507683
49652916,49655407,2015-08-13 23:15:09,">>49654955
>He once more seems to exploit the ""there is no time prior to creation"" card which doesn't make the problem go away.
Yeah, going through it and making responses I felt this way a lot more than I should have. Like the theist response was just tackling a different point than mine, not actually showing how what I said was wrong. I'm tentative to post a response because I feel like the current theist response is so weak that:
> anyone reading it will agree with my points.
> it doesn't deserve a response, because it will just be bickering at that point, so far gone from the original points.
I think I will hold off on posting it until Wolfy at least addresses the points you just made.",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_01_1.jpg,Q2LfE8qGmN2O2ktZ52BbEw==,US,,1439507709
49652916,49655444,2015-08-13 23:16:02,">>49655092
If all you want is happiness they have drugs for that. Also anime.
There are things more importaint than happiness, which is why we don't just ingest drugs all day.
>>49655195
Isn't this your secular humanism? If he gets a deep 'long term' happiness from religion than it's fufilling the central points. The only way to disprove is to try to argue that the religion isn't 'real happiness'
Philosophies that put happiness as the most important thing are fucking retarded.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439507762
49652916,49655589,2015-08-13 23:19:24,"Explain your morality Athiestfags.
>Protip: you can't",,Anonymous,StraightOuttaSomewhere.jpg,UwgBDA9TkYv8MQVmamtyxg==,AU,,1439507964
49652916,49655602,2015-08-13 23:19:40,">>49655444
>Philosophies that put happiness as the most important thing are fucking retarded.
No. If, after a lot of contemplation, you have decided that true fulfillment is in living a lie then YOU are fucking retarded. The philosophy is fine. In fact, even you are following my philosophy.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439507980
49652916,49655646,2015-08-13 23:20:40,">>49655444
I think it's up to each individual to decide what is most important, and if they think it's happiness, for them to attain it in the way they think best, which might be by believing in imaginary stuff. Perhaps it is like an anesthetic, but one that allows them to function. I would no more feel the need to deny them of their psychological anesthetic and face reality than I would to take away the anesthetic of someone under surgery so they can feel what the real pain feels like. Why does the real pain need to be felt? Why does the real truth have to be faced?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508040
49652916,49655647,2015-08-13 23:20:42,">>49655589
This is answered in the OP FAQ.
I also personally explain my approach to morals here http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP",,Dick Dorkins,"dawkins_wideweb__470x327,0.jpg",guf/Mfr7Ay0FdOw62TbIpw==,US,,1439508042
49652916,49655816,2015-08-13 23:24:44,">>49655407
Try to press him to answer them. I would be interested in seeing how he would respond to them. 
Despite the weaknesses in his arguments though, he is still a pretty smart guy who knows a lot.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439508284
49652916,49655849,2015-08-13 23:25:23,">>49655092
why are you even here? of all of the memes on /pol/ that define its character, the red pill is the most universal. 
the red pill -- an allegorical representation of hidden, yet highly uncomfortable truth.
if you want to do things merely for happiness, why not watch reality shows, listen to pop music and go off to miscegnate or fuck a faggot? why not vote democrat or support your local feel-good leftist gay-straight community organisation board? 
why not do literally any sort of blissfully ignorant modern degeneracy if not for the fact that it ""makes one happy"". 
truth is about truth. not happiness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508323
49652916,49655905,2015-08-13 23:26:43,">>49655589
>morality
Just a spook.
God is a spook too, fuck him.
Don't give a shit if he exists or not, I'll spit in his face.
I hate spooks.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439508403
49652916,49655964,2015-08-13 23:28:11,">>49652916
Welcome to Reddit :/pol/ edition",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508491
49652916,49655991,2015-08-13 23:28:49,">>49655589
That's a fucking stupid demand. Explain your morality.
Morality for atheists is based on humanitarianism. So is yours, but you claim it's based on the bible. Guess what? If you followed the rules in the bible, you'd be considered barbaric by today's standards. When was the last time you stoned a child, like the bible suggests? Fucking ingrate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508529
49652916,49656042,2015-08-13 23:29:56,">>49655849
Perhaps I want the red pill for myself, but if others want the blue pill, that's fine with me.
Note that I said truth has no intrinsic value. But it does have extrinsic value, meaning that if you can do things with the truth, like make medicines, etc., it might be worth having the truth. But having the truth for the sake of truth? It seems like an arbitrary value. Why is the truth valuable in itself if it doesn't allow you to do things you couldn't do without it?
And the truths religion deals with are precisely the ones you can't do anything about. When you die, you're dead and gone, regardless of whether you believed the truth about it or not. So believing the truth about it in no way benefits you, and if in some way believing falsehoods can make you feel better, then why not? Your ultimate outcome will be the same regardless.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508596
49652916,49656065,2015-08-13 23:30:27,">>49654538
Hello again, I'd just like to point out some discussion we've had about you.
>>49654955
>>49655407
>>49655816",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-starred-in-a-really-freaky-video-about-internet-memes.jpg,+EguSk/CAAYgc5jjwKymaw==,US,,1439508627
49652916,49656100,2015-08-13 23:31:09,">>49652916
why do most atheist arguments focus on shooting down christianity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508669
49652916,49656200,2015-08-13 23:33:24,">>49656100
Maybe it's because the vast majority of Americans are Christians? Just a thought.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439508804
49652916,49656338,2015-08-13 23:36:23,">>49656100
Because we're communicating in English. Christianity is overwhelmingly the dominant religion in English-speaking countries, so that's the religion that English-speaking people encounter most.
There are at least several posts submitted often that touch on Islam, Judaism, Deism, Mormonism and even Buddhism. For the most part, however, other religions are harder for most people to find quality arguments for due to language barriers, and for them to make jokes about because they're not as familiar with the theology and rituals. If you would like to see more of something, post it.",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-bus.jpg,Q3xmytmJw2cVhEZ15IVxAQ==,US,,1439508983
49652916,49656582,2015-08-13 23:41:43,">>49653446
Yeah the language is dumbed down in his books (in The Selfish Gene, at least, I haven't read the others, I assume all of them are similar) because of the audience he is trying to reach. They aren't for atheists, it's counter-apologetics, he's trying to explains to religious people, particularly Christians, why believing makes no sense. It's well documented that religious folk are less intelligent than atheists, and there would be poor reception if they felt he was condescending to them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439509303
49652916,49656631,2015-08-13 23:42:58,">>49655602
It's not a choice between secular humanism and religion it's a choice between secular humanism and EVERY OTHER PHILOSOPHY.
Suffering in order to accomplish something big is part of the human experience, which shows happiness is secondary to other things
>>49655382
The trouble is that you can't know the mind of Overman since everything about it is a paradox. Anything that it is for it is also against. It's basically a mad God.
>metaphysics
You know I just realized all the new age crap is metaphysics just really bad meta physics. Christian meta physics are a million times more advanced although they are still pretty silly.
Things like free will are handled by a combination of science and philosophy. 
The thing about Christians is that they can be the smartest person ever in any subject than when it comes to a subject that might put God in an unfavorable mode they go into full defense mode and have no problem saying stupid or even contradicting crap. They WANT to beleive. You can even see new Christian converts go the the Christian general and say ""I want to believe. Teach me how!""
>>49655646
>Why does the real pain need to be felt? Why does the real truth have to be faced?
Honestly if you have no goals the answer is they don't need to be felt. 
>>49656100
Well let's see there are 2 religions in the world that matter. Christianity and Islam. The rest are either only too small in their population or only big in countries we don't care about.
Islam is powerless in America so Christianity is the only target. I can't say what the mind set is like in Europe",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439509378
49652916,49656687,2015-08-13 23:44:11,">>49656100
Because Atheism is intrinsically linked with the left side of the political spectrum. To be a leftists you need envy and self-loathing, hence the overcompensation through rhetoric directed at Christians and Catholics.
They might claim their reasoning is based on language and geography, but last time I checked it was possible for people to speak more than one language, or to be a non-English speaking Atheist. If the connection is solely based on language skills wouldn't there be an equally virulent Atheist critique in Hindi, Mandarin, or Arabic?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439509451
49652916,49656727,2015-08-13 23:45:14,">>49656687
Have you always been a christian?",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1439509514
49652916,49656787,2015-08-13 23:46:35,">>49656631
>Suffering in order to accomplish something big is part of the human experience, which shows happiness is secondary to other things
No, all that shows is how fundamentally you don't understand my philosophy and what I mean by happiness. 
At the end of the day, what kind of YOU would you be happier with? The you that worked hard and accomplished something, or the one that was lazy and wasted his day? Obviously, you want the former. That's what makes you fulfilled, a lasting happiness. You choose the things you want to choose because you have good reason to want them, they make you happy (not in the heroin sense)",,Dick Dorkins,richard_dawkins.jpg,cagdVSHLO7nnKWm0TV1fmg==,US,,1439509595
49652916,49656835,2015-08-13 23:47:28,">>49656687
Actually Christianity is the left side
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html
> self-loathing,
I thought atheists were confident and arrogant? That's what they fucking say ""you arrogant atheists. You think you are so strong you can live without God. Get on your knees like me!"" For fuck sake Christians are identified as sheep in their holy book: a dumb, helpless, confident, animal that needs a Shepard to protect them.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439509648
49652916,49656860,2015-08-13 23:48:03,">>49652916
we can not know beyond the material and the immaterial, is it ignorant to say that we know for sure there is nothing beyond what we can know currently?
Is it possible to be know that we will never have the capacity to know beyond what we do now?
Please don't define my terms and misconstrue my meanings.
So is there such a thing as Atheist heresy?
like if you reject statements by modern atheists, are you smarter than they or more enlightened?
>atheism is different to everybody
well if atheism itself is relative to everyone then atheism itself isn't really anything, besides a collection of non-collection that borderlines the existential fallacy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439509683
49652916,49656939,2015-08-13 23:49:50,">>49656835
Most self loathing people are arrogant, nice trying to fit confident in there, you get points for trying.
Marcus Aurelius knows you just be jelly that you cant take the winners game plan.
Religion is the winners ideology
>I'm a free thinker meme
on atheism there is no such thing as free thought.
Limited free thought is not by its own definition free thought.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439509790
49652916,49657000,2015-08-13 23:51:10,">>49656631
>Well let's see there are 2 religions in the world that matter. Christianity and Islam. The rest are either only too small in their population or only big in countries we don't care about.
This is a classic example of how reason escapes the Atheist.
>Only Christianity and Islam matter.
A bold assertion.
>Because the others are too small in their population
Firstly this is demonstrably false. Hinduism has in excess of one billion and is at the centre of Indian culture. There are nearly 400 million Bhuddists too. However, it is also predicated on the notion that numbers are the most important factor. I'd suggest Judaism ""matters"" despite there only being 12-13 million Jews. What about Protestantism. At a time when the population of the West was comparitively small to the remainder of the world Protestantism had an enormous impact on philosophy, science and government. What prevents similar influence from say Taoism today?
>or only big in countries we don't care about.
Such as China, Japan, Thailand or India? I'd suggest they are far more important than your dismissive comment implies.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439509870
49652916,49657009,2015-08-13 23:51:18,"Just gonna leave this here...
http://youtu.be/0d4FHHf00pY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439509878
49652916,49657034,2015-08-13 23:51:45,">>49656787
Do you honestly think Hitler became Chanceler and helped start a fucking world war so that he would feel 'happy'?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439509905
49652916,49657059,2015-08-13 23:52:20,">>49655362
>ultimately the truth doesn't matter
Please leave",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439509940
49652916,49657257,2015-08-13 23:56:57,">>49657034
>Do you honestly think Hitler became Chanceler and helped start a fucking world war so that he would feel 'happy'?
Probably. Unless he secretly wanted to run away and be a painter or something the whole time. There is also the (very likely) probability that he wasn't thinking through what he was doing well enough to make a decision about it. I can't tell you what maximum happiness looks like, so I can't give specifics about people besides myself.
I do know that the some of the happiest people I meet are ones that are doing the things they love, things that make them happy. Doctors that love helping people, engineers that love tinkering, etc. Everyone has a different path and goals on the specifics.",,Dick Dorkins,Richard-Dawkins_2249876c.jpg,NWb0bvGKKitI6L4jTI11mQ==,US,,1439510217
49652916,49657262,2015-08-13 23:57:00,">>49656727
Yes, but no. It came back to me in after many years.
>>49656835
I question this report. There might be some outliers but across the Anglosphere parties like the Democrats, Labour, the ALP and the various Greens parties tend to have policies that align with Atheism. The same is true in Central Europe too, although I should caveat the subtle difference between the centre-left, Left and hard-Left. The hard-Left is almost exclusively atheist in most countries.
>I thought atheists were confident and arrogant? Who says you can't be confident, arrogant and self-loathing? Couldn't one of the products of being self-loathing be an arrogant desire to change yourself or your society?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439510220
49652916,49657273,2015-08-13 23:57:23,">>49656939
It sounds like you got your perception of atheism from a few fucking youtube videos. Why don't you tell me what it is you think 'all atheists' think and maybe I can tell you what I actually think, instead of just pretend that the youtube Pastor on inspiring philosophy knows my mind.
Most of the winners in history were not very religious. Alexander the great established himself as his own God. Napoleon thought religion was a scam. 
>>49657000
>hinduism
I don't give a shit about India, they can do what they want. Same with the Buddhists.
The only religions that affect my Christianity are Christianity and Judaism. Judaism is already going secular at an incredibly fast rate, so that leaves Christianity.
>Such as China, Japan, Thailand or India
There's almost no one from those countries on this board. They can do what they want. Believe it or not I actually value my own country more than other countries.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439510243
49652916,49657295,2015-08-13 23:57:49,">>49656631
It certainly is. As long as he doesn't make me suffer when I die, he's fine by me.
I cannot really say whether Christian metaphysics is all silly or not. It is quite interesting how they could construct such systems in the first place though it still doesn't IMO as with Aquinas' doesn't give us any reason to believe in the Christian god to begin with since they themselves are while formidable are just flawed. 
>Things like free will are handled by a combination of science and philosophy. 
Metaphysics is a part of philosophy though. Still science do give and provide insights that can aid us in having a better understanding on the subject. One example of science giving us insights come from Darwin's evolutionary theory that explained how animals aren't really intelligently designed, destroying the ever so infamous ""Watchmaker"" argument that Christians used to defend God's existence, giving a rather mechanicalistic outlook on creation itself. 
>They WANT to beleive. 
What do you expect? They will value such beliefs and ideas by the mere virtue of owning them, particularly ""salvation"" itself. My guess is that should the Christian make shit up when they are unable to address or answer a problem, they are really just trying to protect the stuff they ""own"". It's basically Loss Aversion and Rationalization(you have to make up excuses to protect the possession that is the idea or belief in Christianity for example). 
I highly suspect that certain beliefs in Christianity are really just a byproduct of irrational psychological reactions, particularly those that espouse OSAS and Calvinism.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439510269
49652916,49657404,2015-08-14 00:00:30,">>49652916
>Atheism is by definition the lacking of any belief in a God
>makes a dedicated thread as if Atheism is a religion that should be discussed and preached 
>>>/reddit/ faggots",,Anonymous,5204844+_aa0ff160115625d426df8172f9bfcbd7.jpg,qjaWBRzpuytDXg76cwJkSw==,US,,1439510430
49652916,49657456,2015-08-14 00:01:38,">>49657059
Maybe believing that truth has intrinsic value is as much a religion as any other. Even the truth is not my god. I am truly an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439510498
49652916,49657462,2015-08-14 00:01:47,">>49657273
I'm going to take that as a compliment.
You don't like what I said so you want me to rephrase it.
Well...no.
Why don't you answer the question.
And do you really think it is pastor inspired philosophy, never talked to pastor a day in my life. Only sat a home thinking.
Now before you criticize me, lets see you answer that question.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439510507
49652916,49657513,2015-08-14 00:03:00,">>49657404
>Agnostic Atheism
AKA not really Atheism.
Lets go with the scientific answer the simplest answer, unless you are sure there is no God your not an atheist your an agnostic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439510580
49652916,49657563,2015-08-14 00:04:15,">>49657456
>Even the truth is not my god
Explain what you mean by that.
You don't want reason or evidence? 
You want to think what you want to think because you want to think it?
Is this the logical side of atheism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439510655
49652916,49657566,2015-08-14 00:04:17,">>49657262
The reason atheists are more arrogaunt than Christians is because humblness is a Christian value. See Mathew 5, Jesus lays out a whole groundwork about how one should be humble and meek. Later chapters reinforce this by comparing Christians to sheep.
You can question the study but that's not a real fucking answer.
Once you read the crap that Jesus actually promoted he sounds like a Marxist. He has nothing but hostility towards the reach, he speaks against pride, and goes full SJW when he says eye-rape is real. All of the stuff about masculinity, war, and not being a fag that gets nailed to a cross are old testament stuff which many Christians feel is dated.
I've actually watched members of my family get MORE liberal when they read the bible. Dad used to be a far right conservative, he went to church every once in awhile. Than he started reading the bible daily and his beliefs started to go more left. Jesus's teachings are very egalitarian.
Have you noticed that Liberal Christians love to quote the bible and remind you of all the times Jesus talked about helping the poor? But conservative Christians only seem to care about one or two verses (usually to do with gays).",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439510657
49652916,49657706,2015-08-14 00:07:58,">>49657273
This is exactly the sort of reasoning that erodes Atheists' claim that they can be moral.
Why is my captcha filled with Bananas?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439510878
49652916,49657747,2015-08-14 00:09:03,">>49657563
I don't put truth up on some pedestal and say it is important. It is not. It has value only insofar as I give it value. And I cannot think of a reason why I would give it value, unless it allows me to attain something else by it. That is, truth may have extrinsic value, such that it allows you to do things with it. But what value can truth have on its own? Is it just valuable because it's valuable? I don't think it is. So I don't worship it. Sometimes atheists do worship it and put it on a pedestal as if it has intrinsic value. But I think that if they tried to explain what intrinsic value it has, they will end up saying it's valuable because it just is. And hence we have a religion, with truth worshiped not for any reason, but just because.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439510943
49652916,49657765,2015-08-14 00:09:37,">>49657566
>Christians to sheep.
Pretty sure all men are compared to sheep.
Especially atheists, you guys don't even have free thought. You're basically a robot, dancing to your DNA, but then to know your a robot would mean that you aren't a robot, which means there must be something more to you.
Unless of course you reject this and cant even realize that you are a robot in which case you are most definitely a robot.
And are you gonna answer my previous question.
You called it pastoral philosophy or someshit?
Whats wrong, cant defend yourself.
>b-but its a loaded question
No its not, your just ignorant of what you do not know and you do not wish to admit it, admit it as right/wrong exist/non-existent",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439510977
49652916,49657774,2015-08-14 00:09:47,">>49657000
The philosophical systems and even myths of the Hindus, Buddhists and Shintos are really IMO more respectable and venerable than some Christian doctrines and traditions(Protestantism and to a lesser extent, Catholicism). 
Protestantism did bring us benefits. It allowed entry for skepticism and doubt to flourish. It allowed for science and philosophy to be developed. For that I give my thanks to Dr Martin Luther and John Calvin!
However just like Catholicism it too suppressed science because discoveries made by it threaten the Christian religion. It even gave rise to the New Age bullcrap by its embrace of esotericism. Why? To cope with the disenchanted world they now made by distancing God from Creation. We see this less in Catholicism because some degree of enchantment is preserved. 
Like Catholicism, Protestantism too suppressed others. Look at what the Puritans did to the Native Americans, look at what they did to the St Thomas Christians of India, they literally like Catholicism divided them and create tension between them and the Hindus they once live in peace with! Look at how it affected the Buddhists in Sri Lanka, it birthed Fundie Buddhists! 
I give credit to the Sri Lankan Buddhists for resisting the Protestants. They even owned them in public debate and exposed their deception when translating Scripture into their native language!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439510987
49652916,49657779,2015-08-14 00:09:54,"Woe to those who go to great depths
 to hide their plans from the Lord,
who do their work in darkness and think,
 “Who sees us? Who will know?”
You turn things upside down,
 as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it,
 “You did not make me”?
Can the pot say to the potter,
 “You know nothing”?
-Isaiah 29 Verse 15:16
There is one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus is the messiah He sent.",,St. Rawman,allahu ackbar.jpg,Oy9kLd6W1S87nRxHRVLjlA==,US,,1439510994
49652916,49657793,2015-08-14 00:10:12,">>49657462
What question? The one where you asked why atheists focus on Christianity. I already answered that. It has to do with demographics. If you are in America the only big religion is Christianity.
Look if you want to know specifics about what I believe you are going to have to ask. I can speak about the general trends of atheism but those are not necessarily my own. I can fucking tell you the truth about 'what most atheists think' but it won't be what I personally think.
>>49657295
Wolfshiem had some huge copy paste about how he became a Roman Catholic. In the whole story he never really answered the question 'how do you know any God exists?' he just explained why Catholicism seemed better than any other Branch. I think that's how most think.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439511012
49652916,49657800,2015-08-14 00:10:26,">>49657566
>You can question the study but that's not a real fucking answer.
I'd suggest the expansion immediately after I questioned the validity of the study was a real fucking answer faggot. Or are you going to just ignore reasoning that doesn't align with your beliefs?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439511026
49652916,49657857,2015-08-14 00:11:49,">>49657747
But then what about the uses of Truth, how can you know for certain that you will never have a need of a certain truth therefore it loses its value, or you could mean that you just don't care whats true and what isn't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511109
49652916,49657869,2015-08-14 00:12:01,">>49657747
>And I cannot think of a reason why I would give it value, unless it allows me to attain something else by it
Something else like what? Things that are valuable to you? How would you know which things are valuable to you without a thorough understanding of what is true? Truth is fundamental to any value system.",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins.jpg,aJkGcbTagVXOq0Fzgcxbcw==,US,,1439511121
49652916,49657888,2015-08-14 00:12:42,">>49657706
>Why is my captcha filled with Bananas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A
This is the cutting edge of Christian apologetics, the very best their feeble minds can come up with.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511162
49652916,49657893,2015-08-14 00:12:44,">>49657793
>What question? The one where you asked why atheists focus on Christianity. I already answered that. It has to do with demographics. If you are in America the only big religion is Christianity.
M8 you know that it wasn't me who asked that.
So what do YOU really believe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511164
49652916,49657915,2015-08-14 00:13:23,">>49657869
Are you certain that is true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511203
49652916,49657942,2015-08-14 00:14:06,">>49657566
>Christians to sheep.
The flock and shepherd analogy isn't about following it's about the relationship of guidance and love. A shepherd cares and guides his flock through trouble. Conversely a flock needs guidance, so it's a mutual relationship. The use of ""sheep"" in the sense of mindless following is a false analogy used to promote a view through mischaracterisation.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439511246
49652916,49657955,2015-08-14 00:14:31,">>49657456
I have no god; I don't worship truth either. Truth is a human creation, because only humans can lie about or misinterpret data. The universe is information, truth is nonexistent, information simply exists despite human views of it. I value truth, because a chain of events led to me as I am in my full form. Whether or not I know truth is irrelevant, as long as I think I know it. Humans might never be fully sure they know the truth, due to the fact that we are imperfect, and our self awareness is primitive. We can not be sure we even exist, for there is no way to reason that we can use reason to prove reason can be used to find perfect information. Although I might say it is highly unlikely we would find something perfect being imperfect beings.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511271
49652916,49658019,2015-08-14 00:16:07,">>49657857
Future uses of a truth are also extrinsic value. But as far as I can tell, truth has no intrinsic value. It's only value is what you can do with it.
So, what can you do with the truth about what happens to your consciousness after you die? Does believing one thing or another thing allow you to change it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511367
49652916,49658052,2015-08-14 00:17:03,">>49657888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2PEgRfdlTE
>the best their feeble minds can come up with",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511423
49652916,49658105,2015-08-14 00:18:25,">>49658019
But you must know that there will be future uses which in itself is a truth.
>>49658019
So, what can you do with the truth about what happens to your consciousness after you die? Does believing one thing or another thing allow you to change it?
Depends on what happens when you get there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511505
49652916,49658107,2015-08-14 00:18:28,">>49657869
Perhaps your experience of pleasure or pain have value whether they are true or not, such that you want to approach the one and avoid the other, even if they are not true. Perhaps pleasure and pain are actually fundamental, and truth just sometimes helps you maximize/minimize them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511508
49652916,49658131,2015-08-14 00:18:55,">>49658019
I am unashamed to say that I am ignorant of what I do not know.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511535
49652916,49658212,2015-08-14 00:21:05,">>49658105
According to atheists, what happens to your consciousness after you die is in no way influenced by whether you knew the truth of it before you died. So it seems the truth doesn't have much impact according to atheists. And yet some atheists insist that it is of utmost importance to know the truth about it. Why? It is a truth that does you no good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511665
49652916,49658228,2015-08-14 00:21:28,"I'm bored, so I'm going to reply to some of the mass of stuff in your OP up there.
>7 reasons to be an atheist.
>1. The evidence we have shows naturalism explains our world the best
What evidence? Evidence I've seen or had access to doesn't necessarily. 
>So it is probably true, and that means there is no god. For there are no miracles, no infallible scriptures, but instead only a blind, mechanical universe.
If you're going to argue this, then you're going to also have to throw out most of philosophy. In my opinion, it's a fundamentally dishonest worldview besides. 
>2. The religious landscape is confused and mundane, so god is probably a false belief produced by interest and circumstance
People are confused and mundane. This argument would work the same way against a science such as psychology. 
>3. The universe is a moron
You are a moron and this is stupid.
>4. Most god-concepts are illogical
You're now arguing that men have a poor understanding of God, not that He doesn't exist.
>5. There is too much needless cruelty and misery
Job, Ecclesiastes
>6. In addition to point 5, there should also be more benefits from such a God as well. Yet there are none
That's demonstrably false. I don't think your world view will actually in good faith allow you to accept any examples regardless, so this will be pointless to argue over.
>7. And last but certainly not least: The only things people can come up with to make excuses for God, in their desperate attempt to explain away my above points, are things so absurd (not to mention wholly ad hoc), that it is equally absurd to give belief any credit whatever
It sounds like you've been arguing with teenagers. Nevertheless, absurdity is hardly grounds for dismissal of anything. Existence is absurd from a human point of view; existentialism was developed to explicitly deal with this. The fault in your lack of success in searching for meaning lies with you and you alone.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439511688
49652916,49658260,2015-08-14 00:22:23,">>49657774
There's some worthy analysis in your comments, but I feel it reinforces the comments I directed at >>49656631 in that Atheism is disproportionately focused on Christianity as a product of being a counter-culture to the West.
What the Reformation brought was twofold: first they threw out the hierarchical political structure of the Catholic Church, which was directly linked to politics. Secondly it brought about reasoned critique of politics, culture, science and of course theology as a central element of society. These were characteristics of ancient Greek culture and a few others as well, but it is this modern (relatively) rise that gave birth to the Renaissance and Enlightenment.
I suggest that Atheists struggle to accept that reason and morality can exist outside Atheism, and then focus their attacks against Christianity because they don't possess a strong moral basis upon which to structure their critique of the wider world.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439511743
49652916,49658277,2015-08-14 00:22:38,">>49657893
>So what do YOU really believe?
Come on, you need to get specific. Like what do you want? 
>>49657942
>>49657800
>>49657942
Jesus could have compared his followers to lion and himself to an alpha lion. Or to wolves being lead by a pack master. Or ants being lead by a queen ant. Out of all the animals he choose he specifically managed to pick out the absolute weakest, most helpless, dumbest animal possible.
And you haven't addressed all the bible passages I mentioned which are full SJW.
I can't really comment on political parties in EU because I don't know them.
>>49657774
Nietzsche pretty much put Christianity at the bottom of the philosophical and religious spectrum. He ranked the Eastern religions much higher and the Greek's even higher.
>deception in translating scripture
OY VEY
I have to hear this.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439511758
49652916,49658325,2015-08-14 00:23:42,">>49652916
Lmao I read that as Autism General from the thumbnail in catalog then read agnostic somewhere",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511822
49652916,49658360,2015-08-14 00:24:42,"Christian ""philosophy"" has to be the most fucktarded thing in the world. I cant believe theoligians still exist",,Anonymous,,,IN,,1439511882
49652916,49658448,2015-08-14 00:26:28,">>49658052
Oh my god. That is so much worse than the banana argument. I feel so much second hand embarrassment for that guy, I can't even continue watching it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439511988
49652916,49658486,2015-08-14 00:27:40,Thoughts on Buddhism?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512060
49652916,49658557,2015-08-14 00:29:21,">>49658486
Absolutely haram",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439512161
49652916,49658558,2015-08-14 00:29:25,">>49658260
> Atheism is disproportionately focused on Christianity as a product of being a counter-culture to the West.
There is some truth in this but I will not go into it because I really don't feel like ripping apart people on 'my team'. Most new atheists are fucking weenies, maybe I am being too on them by not exposing them as weenies.
>I suggest that Atheists struggle to accept that reason and morality can exist outside Atheism, and then focus their attacks against Christianity because they don't possess a strong moral basis upon which to structure their critique of the wider world.
BINGO
This.
This EXACTLY.
Honestly most atheists attempts at morality is pathetic 'hur dur just be happy' 'hur dur just do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone'. Like they need to read actual fucking philosophy (real philosophy not wanna be philosophy by Dawkins). This is the reason so many atheists turn leftist. Christianity is no better but at least it has a sense of culture and tradition.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439512165
49652916,49658608,2015-08-14 00:30:48,">>49658486
Shouldn't true Buddhists just kill themselves?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512248
49652916,49658609,2015-08-14 00:30:49,">>49658557
Why though? Fourth largest religion, and the only religion that doesn't believe in a deity? Are they on to something?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512249
49652916,49658638,2015-08-14 00:31:21,">>49658228
>What evidence? Evidence I've seen or had access to doesn't necessarily.
Do you have evidence of the supernatural?
>If you're going to argue this, then you're going to also have to throw out most of philosophy. 
Only philosophy that is wrong.
>This argument would work the same way against a science such as psychology. 
Psychologists actually agree on things that have been studied, such as things that have been documented in the ICD. Take a handful of equally convinced religious people from different parts of the world and they will all disagree.
>You're now arguing that men have a poor understanding of God
Actually, if you had actually read the rest of the point it says that theologists do have god-concepts that they understand very well and are logically consistent.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439512281
49652916,49658639,2015-08-14 00:31:24,">>49658608
Why do you say that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512284
49652916,49658664,2015-08-14 00:32:06,">>49658019
As long as you have knowledge it influences you. It does not matter in the entirety of the universe what you do with the information. Or so it seems. Truth as I have said is irrelevant what will happen will happen. Humans will continue to believe things that are illogical due to their illogical nature. I can say I think therefore I am, which is reasoning. Overall it doesn't matter due to the fact that reasoning is a human invention caused buy a chain of events started from the creation of the universe. In the end our lives, and problems don't matter in the universe, because we will all likely cease to exist in the end. Our information of our existence will only be but a mere side-product of the creation of the entirety of everything. This is all not needed though, because me saying these things doesn't change anything, except in the sense that events caused me to say this which will cause other events to happen in different ways.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512326
49652916,49658716,2015-08-14 00:33:15,">>49658639
It's all about giving up attachments. Seems like the ultimate attachment to give up would be life.
Also, the ultimate goal of nirvana is basically an end of consciousness, and so death.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512395
49652916,49658726,2015-08-14 00:33:27,">>49658277
>Jesus could have compared his followers to lion and himself to an alpha lion. Or to wolves being lead by a pack master. Or ants being lead by a queen ant. Out of all the animals he choose he specifically managed to pick out the absolute weakest, most helpless, dumbest animal possible.
That analogy's still flying over the top of your head isn't it. That's why I didn't bother responding to the rest of your post, and instead moved onto the better anon's in this thread.
I'll explain it in a more detailed way so you might be able to understand.
A lion pride is not the equivalent of sheep. Lions live in small prides with an alpha male and are predicated on a strict social structure. They are also predators. A wolf pack operates in a similar structure, and in both instances the alpha male or leader has no ""needs"" from the pride or pack.
An ant colony? Really?
Sheep are communal animals, much like humans are communal. They are weak animals in a world filled with threats. This is an analogy to the world filled with both physical and moral threats for people. They have a shepherd who is as reliant upon them as they are upon him. In the ancient world milk and wool were worth far more than the meat of a sheep, so without his flock the shepherd is without a purpose. Therefore the shepherd provides care and guidance for this flock, and the flock provides him with sustenance. The analogy to god is we are the sheep and we face a world filled with threats, both moral and physical. God (and Jesus) can provide the guidance to help us navigate the threats. However, ultimately there exists risks for us if we stray from the guidance or if an evil acts independently of the flock. This is the sin that exists and is a separate analogy that I won't explain in this post due to the character limit, and your difficulty comprehending Ovis related analogies so far.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439512407
49652916,49658731,2015-08-14 00:33:33,">>49658609
Because they've rejected the God of Abraham.
Also, if you're an actual materialistic atheist, they still believe in metaphysical things.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439512413
49652916,49658831,2015-08-14 00:36:00,">>49658052
This man is the product of Human fallacies. I value statistics. What is more likely, humans are imperfect and created an imperfect view of the creation of the universe, or humans somehow got it right? It doesn't matter, but it is more probable gods are just inventions of humans to try and fit themselves into something they don't understand.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512560
49652916,49658900,2015-08-14 00:37:39,">>49658609
It's more of a philosophy than a theology to go sperg on you.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439512659
49652916,49658958,2015-08-14 00:38:49,">>49658664
Yeah, once you get to the truth that nothing really matters, then whether or not you know the truth also doesn't matter. So then you can back up from your knowledge of the truth that nothing really matters and replace it with believing in God and Jesus, and the three wise men, and the lambs and doves, and all of the whole thing, like a child, and it's OK. It's not true, but it doesn't matter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512729
49652916,49658972,2015-08-14 00:39:06,">>49658716
As I understand it, the goal is to end the ego, not consciousness. Similarly, the ultimate attachment would be yourself and your ego.
>>49658731
I've heard of many Buddhists who reject the metaphysical aspects like karma and reincarnation",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512746
49652916,49659024,2015-08-14 00:40:15,">>49658900
Fair enough",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512815
49652916,49659070,2015-08-14 00:41:07,">>49658972
What's the difference between the ego and consciousness?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512867
49652916,49659141,2015-08-14 00:42:35,">>49658638
>Do you have evidence of the supernatural?
That's not an answer.
>If you're going to argue this, then you're going to also have to throw out most of philosophy. 
How convenient. I still believe it's a fundamentally dishonest world view, regardless.
>Psychologists actually agree on things that have been studied, such as things that have been documented in the ICD
That doesn't actually address what I said. My point was the fact that there are wildly different views and models in the field of psychology doesn't invalidate the study or applicability of psychology as a whole. If we're getting down to the core of the matter, we're not arguing over the validity of a belief system over another, we're arguing over the existence of a being. I'll illustrate with an example:
There is a man named Ted. Sally and Henry both know Ted. However, while Sally would describe Ted as wearing a red shirt, Henry describes Ted as wearing a black shirt. Donny does not know Ted, but when asked, describes him as wearing a blue shirt. The varying descriptions of Ted do not invalidate the fact Ted is in existence. Do you understand what I mean?
>Actually, if you had actually read the rest of the point it says that theologists do have god-concepts that they understand very well and are logically consistent.
That's not what you said. You said the concept of God is reformed by ""theologists"" (your word) ""until it leaves us with an inexplicable god-concept."" You are insinuating theologians have reformed the concept of God into a form that is logical yet inexplicable.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439512955
49652916,49659159,2015-08-14 00:42:50,">>49658958
I know it doesn't matter, but it matters to me, because I am imperfect. I value truth because events led me to value truth. I know all this, yet I still follow this illogical path, because I am an illogical being. I would just like to add that everything I have said so far, is conjecture. Then again isn't all information?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439512970
49652916,49659164,2015-08-14 00:42:58,">>49658726
Look I know all about how the lord is my shepard I shall not want, blah, blah, green pastures, blah blah protects the herd.
I've been a Christian, it's a religion that wants to turn you into a pussy. That's why they want to attach a metaphor of weakness to humanity.
If all they wanted was to mention humans are communal they could have mentioned dogs, cats, birds. The sheep was specifically chosen because it represents weakness.
Humans are anything but weak. Humans are the most merciless, dangerous, intelligent, and ferocious animal on the planet in fact the most bad-ass creature in the known universe. The idea that they need a fucking 'shepard' is a joke. Of course there are subhumans with sheeply instincts, I suppose the religion is good for them...won't do them any good though. Their shepard is dead.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439512978
49652916,49659204,2015-08-14 00:43:41,">>49659141
>>49658638
>Only philosophy that is wrong.
That's what I meant to reply to.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439513021
49652916,49659397,2015-08-14 00:48:35,">>49657793
>he just explained why Catholicism seemed better than any other Branch. I think that's how most think.
It is. He saw something in Catholicism that his original Baptist church lacked. Similarly, anyone else would've perceived lackness of something(s) in other denominations as well thus making it to them better than any other branch.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439513315
49652916,49659566,2015-08-14 00:53:16,">>49659141
>That's not an answer.
It is. If there is nothing supernatural, then we are living in a purely natural world. Naturalism is the only rational choice.
> I still believe it's a fundamentally dishonest world view, regardless.
Why?
>Do you understand what I mean?
If Sally and Henry were scientists they would investigate Ted and come to a conclusion about his shirt then put the issue to rest. However, religions tend to spread their ""truth"" by silencing people that disagree with them, childhood indoctrination (or indoctrination by violence), and other sorts of fear and peer pressure.
>That's not what you said.
Yes it is. I simply point out that the logical god-concepts aren't the ones worshiped in any popular religions like Christianity. And there is no explanation for how they fit into some certain religion, even though they are logically self-consistent.",,Dick Dorkins,article-0-016F4486000004B0-521_224x423.jpg,KpysXQiHzY89vX6eea/BhA==,US,,1439513596
49652916,49659569,2015-08-14 00:53:20,">>49659164
>religion makes you weak
>implying religion needs to do anything to make people weak
Its funny how weak people turn to religion, something to cling to.
That doesn't invalidate the religion as that would be committing the genetic fallacy.
But whats wrong with calling men weak?
Mankind has never been known for its strengths.
We aren't just talking about individualism.
Is it a weakness to attack other humans?
Yes.
Human cruelty is OUR weakness.
Deception 
Greed 
Pride
Lust
All counter beneficial things that are undoubtedly weaknesses.
>Humans are the most merciless, dangerous, intelligent, and ferocious animal on the planet
>mercy is not a weakness
only the strong can show mercy
being dangerous is a weakness its counter productive. Hunting an animal does not make you inherently dangerous to that animal.
intelligence, I don't see how this is a strength/weakness attribute
I can see the benefits but that benefits don't necessarily make you stronger.
Does surviving make you stronger?
Does ferocity make you stronger?
I think that ferocity requires strength already to be effective.
Think about when a chihuahua growls ferociously at a german sheperd, which is stronger.
once again humans hurting other humans as such has been throughout all of history is the exact opposite of being strong in the spectrum of humankind.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439513600
49652916,49659602,2015-08-14 00:53:56,">>49659164
You also never answered my original two questions.
I would just like to point that out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439513636
49652916,49659752,2015-08-14 00:57:30,">>49659070
The ego is the lens that reality goes through to reach your consciousness. By eliminating the ego, you're supposed to get a look at pure reality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439513850
49652916,49659895,2015-08-14 01:01:37,">>49659566
Make these threads earlier. I can't stay up anymore, it's almost midnight and I'm exhausted.
>Why?
It's going to be more complicated than I can explain in a few posts here. It has to deal with my views of epistemology and physics/metaphysics. We'll discuss it some other time, but it's going to take a while.
>If Sally and Henry were scientists they would investigate Ted and come to a conclusion about his shirt then put the issue to rest
That doesn't actually address what I said. Do you not understand the flaw in logic in that point? I attempted to point it out in the most simple manner I could think to.
And I'm out for the night. By the way, delete or reword number 3 in that post. It's either plainly stupid, or described so stupidly you can't get across whatever point you were trying to make.",,St. Rawman,,,US,,1439514097
49652916,49659920,2015-08-14 01:02:29,">>49659569
Oh wow. You really are one of God's lambs. The moment you hear heavy boots marching you get scared, piss yourself and go running back your pen.
Do you think Alexander the Great was weak?
>Deception: Betrayed and killed his own father
>Greed: Looted everything
>Pride: Called himself a God
>Lust: had massive orgies
and yes. Mercy is indeed a weakness. If Alexander the great showed mercy to the king of Persia than the King might have returned with another army. But he didn't show any mercy. He fucking killed him.
You are basically calling the guy who made western civilization possible 'weak'.
I could say the same about any other bad-asses in history. Napoleon, Caesar, all of them had the exact opposite values your God calls good.
Christianity is basically a religion that wants turn everyone into sheep. It actually has people believing that a Jewish nobody who got executed (for crimes he did indeed commit) was 'strong'.
Can you say 'baah' little sheep?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439514149
49652916,49659956,2015-08-14 01:03:26,">>49658260
Atheism I would argue at least that which rose in the West is in fact the consequence of Christianity itself. Scientific progress call into question the validity of Christianity and the existence of the Christian God. The reaction? To play god of the gaps until the point where we realize......God isn't necessary in the system anymore. 
You are right to say that what the Reformation brought is twofold. Why because there are positive consequences as well as negative consequences that arise from the event. The positive as the ""twofold"" you described and personally to me, the rise of irreligion and Deism. The negative is how it now presents an unnecessary dispute between science and faith. It planted the seeds of its destruction, turned into in some ways the enemy that it rebelled against initially and acted like them and brought destruction and dispute to foreign lands. 
I think that Christians have an issue with Morality. In the Atheistic framework, morality is relative, formed by us, by human minds, by persons. In the Christian framework it's the same. Morality is formed by persons that is the Trinity!. Now I grant that maybe one can argue how the moral laws of the Trinatarian God is ""objective"" in the sense that should they be followed, they allow for humanity to live the best life of all possible lifes which the Biblical morality of this god would do and thus isn't really subjective. Particularly when we understand God's infallibility and ability to see all possibilities and their outcomes. However the question of free will is still there, free creatures still suffer because of what he do and he knows they will suffer and can in fact prevent their suffering, even under a Molinist framework by actualizing a universe and make all conditions such that each creature freely chooses Him. After all He is omnipotent and can actualize the potential that he deems allows all of Creation to be Saved. But he didn't!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439514206
49652916,49660088,2015-08-14 01:06:45,">>49659164
>If all they wanted was to mention humans are communal they could have mentioned dogs, cats, birds. 
Did you even read what I posted? Clearly you didn't comprehend it if you did. Dogs, cats and birds do not have a releationship with anyone like a shepherd. Have you ever heard the saying ""it's like herding cats?""
>Humans are anything but weak. Humans are the most merciless, dangerous, intelligent, and ferocious animal on the planet in fact the most bad-ass creature in the known universe.
Look up sin and autonomy. I'm not going to explain it to you because it's taken four posts for you to not understand the difference between a sheep and a cat.
Faggot.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439514405
49652916,49660091,2015-08-14 01:06:52,">>49659895
>We'll discuss it some other time, but it's going to take a while.
I look forward to it.
> I attempted to point it out in the most simple manner I could think to.
I understand your point, but I'm pointing out that if both parties are pursuing truth honestly then they will tend towards the exact same thing very quickly. Hence why a German can travel to China and still do the same physics and science. The method science uses to reach the truth is fundamentally better at reaching the truth than the methods religion uses, hence why such disagreements are so common in religion and so uncommon in science.",,Dick Dorkins,richarddawkinsyoung.jpg,yCi7fDAetX0NKTYNAWc8vw==,US,,1439514412
49652916,49660121,2015-08-14 01:07:33,"So sorry for the late response. I may have to leave after this post.
>>49654887
No, but potentials can be actualized simultaneously. The potentiality is gone instantly. Nothing can be potentially and actually something at the same time.
When thinking about causality, I think it's important to recognize we're not talking temporally ordered series of events - accidental causal relation - but an essentially ordered series. Aquinas' first cause deals directly with the idea of an essentially ordered series. To put it crudely it's a very ""everything relies on its environment"" sort of thing. I'd recommend you look into the difference in causal relation.
>>49654955
>Ok, there is no time at all but there is still some point where God made change by virtue of Creation Ex Nihilo.
I think you misunderstand Creation Ex Nihilo. It is not so much ""there was nothing, now there's something"" but rather creation is not required from any other thing existing. The creation comes from nothing at all.
It's a misunderstanding of the use of the word ""comes"" and applied from how people understand the first few lines of Genesis 1. You're, again, trying to think that a ""time before time existed"". You're asking a meaningless question here, akin to ""what happened before the big bang"".
St. Augustine gave two answers to that question. The main one being what I just told you and second being, he joked, ""God was preparing Hell for people who ask such questions.""",,WOLFSHIEM,do you like it.gif,ODX/V2fCtlXubRksJ6WSDA==,US,,1439514453
49652916,49660148,2015-08-14 01:08:23,">>49660121
>God actualized some potential that is the universe itself or multiverses and even time itself.
This is still logic that assumes the idea of a ""time before time"" idea. All that exists, exists because of God as God's one great act is expressing creation. Whether the creation leads to our universe is something else entirely. A temporal cause for our universe does not contradict God's act, hence why Aquinas made a point of describing creation as that God did not create things in their final state, but created them to have potential to develop as he intended.
>>49654878
>that image
>fucking again
How many times do I have to tell you that the motion referred to in that image is not motion as is referred in the argument. What we're used to is Baconian Motion - Local Motion - the movement of things in relation to locations - and that simply isn't the definition that is being applied here. Motion in Aristotelian terms is the change of state of the specific item. More accurately it is the actualization of a potential. Aristotelian Motion is an overall older term in academia than what modern science uses. The two definitions don't clash and in no way do they override one another. They just explain the natural world in two different methods. Please stop insisting that the image has any authority whatsoever in the discussion. 
>Aristotle's physics are still totally legit. 
I don't at all. His physics were dropped before the medieval era. His metaphysics were mainly good, however. There were issues, of course, very barebones concepts like the four causes and the actuality-potentiality distinction obviously do exist. Modernity struggles with the four causes, however.
>the logical demonstration
Woohoo, you're a radical conceptualist and give things strange titles. Get back to me when you have a response to the Problem of Universals. Oh, and please look up the logical issues with conceptualism.
>all this random conceptualizing afterwords",,WOLFSHIEM,A Fuck For You.jpg,mX6dWcL3vlptn0C3xQQISA==,US,,1439514503
49652916,49660228,2015-08-14 01:10:21,">>49660148
>Metaphysics only fucking matter when you already assume God exists,
This is by far the most irrational thing I've ever heard from you. What the hell, Anon.
>>49657793
>Wolfshiem had some huge copy paste about how he became a Roman Catholic. In the whole story he never really answered the question 'how do you know any God exists?' he just explained why Catholicism seemed better than any other Branch. 
I skimmed over the question and how I got to it and explained my search of branch not by what ""seemed better"" but a proper claim to authority. You can read over the entire thing again here, though I'm sure you'd be interested in misunderstanding or explaining my thoughts incorrectly. The amount of times you do it, I've seen, it seems disingenuous.
The story is in multiple posts and begins here 
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/49349115/#49372766
Anyway I'm out.",,WOLFSHIEM,1358309974236.jpg,12v4PrkFSO56wWKKhE0keg==,US,,1439514621
49652916,49660236,2015-08-14 01:10:33,">>49660088
sin is no more real than magic the gathering lore. It's another one of your Jewish fairy tales. There is no sin. Jesus never resurrected, his body rotted away, his soul didn't go to heaven because there is no soul or heaven. There is more evidence for fucking bigfoot than there is your heaven.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439514633
49652916,49660266,2015-08-14 01:11:22,">>49660121
One fix before I go. 
>No, but potentials can be actualized simultaneously.
""instantaneously"", I meant to say.
Now I'm gone.",,WOLFSHIEM,1375067092675.gif,2QMCZicy4U7Vjb/+x1Ac5g==,US,,1439514682
49652916,49660282,2015-08-14 01:11:52,"All this pointless bickering over nothing. 
What does it fucking matter if a god exists or not? We're all dying anyway, just believe what you want to believe.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439514712
49652916,49660360,2015-08-14 01:13:46,">>49655905
My brother.",,Anonymous,stirnerfrog.png,oJ7HmWgiTPIvguRKW/BxJQ==,NL,,1439514826
49652916,49660461,2015-08-14 01:16:16,">>49660121
>but rather creation is not required from any other thing existing. The creation comes from nothing at all.
Well something still did come from something, actualized by an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being which we call God. Thus something still comes from nothing!
>You're, again, trying to think that a ""time before time existed"".
Well, there's still a prior state where there's just God himself. Then he decided to Create something out of nothing. Thus at some point even before time itself, there is nothing, then came time and Creation itself. There is still some state where there is a sequence where there is at first nothingness but God and then there is Creation and time. All this is of course a-temporal. Otherwise, Creation never had a beginning! The universe had always been ""being"" rather than at one point ""come into being"". But for the universe to ""come into being"" it must also be at one point even without time ""not being"" meaning there is still a ""before"" or ""after"" state of sorts even if time isn't thrown into the mix.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439514976
49652916,49660475,2015-08-14 01:16:37,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiUrevq2Ko0,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439514997
49652916,49660532,2015-08-14 01:17:54,">>49660121
>No, but potentials can be actualized simultaneously.
Then the prime mover is helpless without time. It can't move anything.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439515074
49652916,49660626,2015-08-14 01:20:46,">>49660148
The thing about relativism is it means that a prime mover is not needed, objects are perfectly capable of going about their own business without a prime mover.
Do you actually have any metaphysical arguments against Overgod? >mai buzzwords is not an excuse. Buzzwords is exactly what I and every other atheist think 'immaterial' 'trinity' 'sin' and 'souls' 
Conceptualization is not creating, it is the step that happens before creation. It's what separates say water from fire. The Christian God is incapable of doing this because as I point out, only something that is a living paradox can exist before conceptualization. God cannot be a paradox because it would violate your metaphysics. For instance Overgod is both without sin and fully sinful. 
I am actually very curious if meta-physica are 'advanced' enough to be able to prove something like this is not true. If you can't do that than you have no fucking chance of ever beating the New Agers.
>your path to Christianity
The first step to Christianity is to prove that the universe has a God. Than the next step is to prove why it is a revealed God. Than the next step is to prove why it is the Christian God. Only after you do every one of those things can you say it is one sect's interpretation. That would be the rational way. Without first proving that there is a God and it is a revealed God all the Christian text might as well be in the fiction section.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439515246
49652916,49661207,2015-08-14 01:37:54,">>49660461
>Then he decided to Create something out of nothing.
I'm still not certain whether or not Wolfy's framework allows for things to be created from nothing. Because he thinks things can only move from something they potentially were to something they actually could be. But what is ""nothing"" a potential of? ""Nothing"" would seem to be the thing that had absolutely no potentials or actuals. 
In fact, wolfy's entire argument never addresses creation at all. How was the universe created? How was the prime mover created? All his argument tries to show is that these things exist and the prime mover is responsible for being the first link in a chain of ""movement"" from potential to actual. But those things that move are things that already exist.",,Dick Dorkins,RichardDawkins_1664696c.jpg,BJN73s5oLTyKou1RObbzEw==,US,,1439516274
49652916,49661595,2015-08-14 01:49:38,">>49661207
From Wolfshiem's explanation of what Creation Ex Nihilo is, he tries to make it such that the universe didn't really come from any other thing existing. This may IMO entail that Creation need not a God to exist for God definitely cannot be ""nothing"". Still he goes on to eventually concede that the entirety of Creation comes from nothing which means God have to put it in place somehow at some point out of nothingness even if time did not exist. The ""you are assuming there is time before time"" point doesn't really help his case here.
We can allow ourselves to close one eye and ignore how God would have made the universe. This still doesn't help Wolfenstien because as he conceded, ""Creation comes from nothing at all"" and ""it need not come from any other existing thing"". Well technically he now admits that Creation doesn't need God for God is something that is existing! I will grant that this isn't Wolfshiem's intentions however but he just made a big mistake.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439516978
49652916,49661907,2015-08-14 01:58:54,">>49661595
Yeah, I have no idea what he meant. Let's break it down:
> It is not so much ""there was nothing, now there's something"" 
Okay, I think here he is emphasizing the WAS. As in, there was never nothing because that would be ""before time"" which he says doesn't make sense.
>but rather creation is not required from any other thing existing. The creation comes from nothing at all.
I... I don't even. Maybe he's just saying that everything that exists (God, universe, everything) just came into existence from nothing at all? It doesn't seem like he is portraying God as the creator type anymore with these sentences. 
This may actually partially address the point I made here >>49660532
Perhaps God, the universe, time, laws of nature, (laws of god?) all came into existence at once (some finite amount of time in the past) all at the same time?
I'm pretty confused to be honest.",,Dick Dorkins,63352.jpg,c1l5pgeg6D6hZrLDZBSOHg==,US,,1439517534
49652916,49662295,2015-08-14 02:10:40,">>49661595
>>49661907
I think it's just buzzwords, sort of like my stupid idea for an Overgod that is needed to 'conceptualize everything'
Creating time implies God exists before time, which means he is incapable of motion. But God has some special pleading bullshit. Aquinas doesn't even make a good reason why God take action without time. Our current understanding of time says that would be impossible.
Also things get even harder when Einstein is telling you time and space are the same thing. If God did exist before time he also had to exist before space. Does God take up space? If so where did the space God takes up come from?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439518240
49652916,49662954,2015-08-14 02:30:53,">>49661907
Well what Wolfshiem says is indeed confusing. It may be intentional to make it harder for us to argue against perhaps I can't say. However from what you got from his own statements, he is still not making the case of his God work at all. At most there's some odd entity that is powerful but isn't the god that he would want to believe in. 
>>49662295
I'm willing to close my eyes to all that stuff about God being incapable of motion should he exists before time. After all even without all that, he just shows us that his God probably isn't as powerful as he wants him to be or that this God really isn't existent at all
The god that Wolfshiem worships remind me of the Baka Brahma in Buddhism, a deity who assumed he is the most powerful of all to the point that he is the One True God when in actuality he isn't really that great(Wolfshiem's attempts to argue for his god's existence shows this should he exist!). Yet, the God of Wolfshiem is one who would not turn around and admit his limitations. The Baka Brahma did! I rather pay worship and homage to this Baka Brahma rather than the Triune God Wolfshiem worships if this is the case!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439519453
49652916,49663722,2015-08-14 02:55:26,God damn these 7 points are turning out to be long as fuck.,,Dick Dorkins,dawkins640.jpg,pz3rTUgOaTsXr/YHSI/AYQ==,US,,1439520926
49702224,49702224,2015-08-14 21:01:22,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439586082
49702224,49702267,2015-08-14 21:02:04,">>49702224
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *expanded*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,1439528812104.jpg,yCi7fDAetX0NKTYNAWc8vw==,US,,1439586124
49702224,49702364,2015-08-14 21:04:22,">Images
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/
Add this subsequent pages. It doesn't have a real link in your copy paste",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439586262
49702224,49702496,2015-08-14 21:07:19,">>49702364
You want the album linked with the paste links?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439586439
49702224,49702524,2015-08-14 21:07:58,">>49702224
>>49702267
If atheists carried out histories greatest crimes, how can atheism claim to morality is possible without a higher purpose?
>Checkmate Atheists.",,Anonymous,StraightOuttaSomewhere.jpg,UwgBDA9TkYv8MQVmamtyxg==,AU,,1439586478
49702224,49702602,2015-08-14 21:09:55,">>49702524
Most ethical philosophies are independent of a god. Also, this is answered in the OP FAQ and here http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP",,Dick Dorkins,1315781068251.jpg,94Msg6A6XkYdx3yd6tr0Tg==,US,,1439586595
49702224,49702627,2015-08-14 21:10:36,">>49702224
>using a mac
anty respect i had for him is gone now",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1439586636
49702224,49702682,2015-08-14 21:11:51,">>49702224
I'm not religious by any means but I almost died when I was 16 and I saw the bright white light I'm telling u guys there's something out there",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439586711
49702224,49702690,2015-08-14 21:12:00,">>49702524
Morality stems from our feelings towards others. If I love my family I wouldn't want to kill them. And I'm sympathetic to my fellow human who also loves his family hence me creating morals that will say ""hey, maybe I don't want to hurt my friend who I love by killing one of his family members"". It's simple shit even basic animals do. Morals were created because of emotional sympathy and attachments to others. You fucking braindead uneducated fuck.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439586720
49702224,49702707,2015-08-14 21:12:21,">>49702602
Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, all killed for atheism. Denying this is just retarded and what autistic retarded shills like Dawkins do.",,Anonymous,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1439586741
49702224,49702745,2015-08-14 21:13:22,">>49702707
>terrible people did terrible things 
You can find examples of this in any ideology",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439586802
49702224,49702883,2015-08-14 21:16:42,">>49702707
>all killed for atheism
You will die for believing in stuff!!1
Yeah, that's what every history book tells us.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1439587002
49702224,49702887,2015-08-14 21:16:47,God is real,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587007
49702224,49702895,2015-08-14 21:17:03,">>49702707
No they didn't. They killed for Communism, which is a religion (This especially applies to Mao, Lenin, and Stalin).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587023
49702224,49702937,2015-08-14 21:18:02,">>49702224
>Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist.
Nope. An atheist claims that God does not exist.
Perhaps you should rename this ""Agnostic General"".",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439587082
49702224,49702939,2015-08-14 21:18:08,">>49702602
Well, reading through ""Profiles of Various Religions"" I only found retarded nonsense, I don't think we should read anything else from these pastebins.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1439587088
49702224,49702976,2015-08-14 21:18:59,"When people ask me if I believe in God, I mostly answer, ""I don't believe in YOUR god. Whatever you think god is, I know I don't believe in it.""
Because the only reason someone would ask you that question is part of an ad hominem attack. By asking me if I believe in god they are saying, ""you are not a part of what we are,"" in some pathetic attempt to discredit any opinion I might have, or insure I will adhere to their narrow world view. By putting saying I don't believe in their god, I turn the attack around and make them state exactly what their values are and what they expect of me, which is usually something elitist or racist or homophobic.
I mean, what kind of person even asks a question like that, or just assumes you have the same religious beliefs as them?
Assholes, that's who.
Well, I'm not a slave",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587139
49702224,49703077,2015-08-14 21:21:27,,,Anonymous,quote-if-there-were-no-god-there-would-be-no-atheists-gilbert-k-chesterton-218446.jpg,iG4pIGDXSArHWXcGhaehMA==,US,,1439587287
49702224,49703107,2015-08-14 21:22:08,">>49702707
>Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, all killed for Judeo-bolshevism. Denying this is just retarded and what autistic retarded shills like Christcucks do.
ftfy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587328
49702224,49703116,2015-08-14 21:22:18,"I'm not particularly religious and I see organized religions all as means of control and for weak-willed people who can't come to grips with the fact they'll die someday.
I follow the mentality of ""If a God and afterlife do exist, I'll be accepted into it because I'm a decently good person.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587338
49702224,49703138,2015-08-14 21:22:38,">>49702939
Outerlimits pastes do need some work. Bring it up with him on any specific feedback you have. 
Also, I just finished this if you wouldn't mind looking at it http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS",,Dick Dorkins,1437746545271.jpg,r/+YZ6n7e3cySBhranlFEQ==,US,,1439587358
49702224,49703158,2015-08-14 21:23:05,">>49702690
>You fucking braindead uneducated fuck
Your instant resort to ad hominems suggests your argument is weak. So I'll deconstruct it.
>Morality stems from our feelings towards others.
False. Within atheist and theological moral frameworks morality includes reason. This demonstrates you don't even have a cursory knowledge of moral philosophy.
>If I love my family I wouldn't want to kill them.
What if you'd reasoned that it they would suffer less harm if you killed them? This could exist if say there was a natural disaster or perhaps a conflict where moral challenges would be faced in adversity. Really poor argument on your part.
>And I'm sympathetic to my fellow human who also loves his family hence me creating morals that will say ""hey, maybe I don't want to hurt my friend who I love by killing one of his family members""
This implies that morality ends at the limit of your intimate relationships. What of the man in the town downriver who dies of poisoning after you dump chemicals in the river?
>Morals were created because of emotional sympathy and attachments to others. 
This is literally the view that lead to history's greatest crimes. It reinforces why so many atheist lack an effective framework for morality. 
Faggot.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439587385
49702224,49703187,2015-08-14 21:23:54,"Stopped reading when you began to employ your agnostic = atheism bullshit which is akin to saying atheism is just a ""lack of belief"". Its a pathetic attempt to hide behind a non-position as you take shots at Theists and used to avoid intellectual responsibility. If we are playing that game then theism is just the lack of belief in ontological naturalism. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY0aCJun3r0",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587434
49702224,49703325,2015-08-14 21:27:25,">>49702224
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
>We are
Stopped reading there. OP confirmed for retarded. What's it like licking the windows on the short bus OP?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439587645
49702224,49703330,2015-08-14 21:27:35,">>49702707
You could at least try reading the posts you are replying to. What you just said has nothing to do with the quoted post.
And no, they didn't kill for atheism, they killed for communism. While communism is an atheistic ideology, western atheism has literally nothing to do with communism/marxism, it comes from a completely different intellectual tradition.",,Anonymous,1427163215304.jpg,eeD3byL0Kdxqeeu+jztITQ==,CL,,1439587655
49702224,49703345,2015-08-14 21:27:57,">>49702224
Wolfshiem posted a reply to my comments on his arguments in the last Christian Thread(It became more like Insanity General to me though). I let him had the final say there since I was more interested in dealing with the theistic free will deniers there. 
>>49681798
He didn't bother with your's or OuterLimits replies however(I was hoping he would get into OuterLimits' ""Overgod"" in particular).
I must go now.
Also, sorry OuterLimits, I will never do that shit again about pretending to be Muslim :(",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439587677
49702224,49703382,2015-08-14 21:28:49,">>49703187
>Its a pathetic attempt to hide behind a non-position as you take shots at Theists and used to avoid intellectual responsibility.
You're encouraged to ask people what their actual stance is on these issues before assuming what they think or believe. For example, I believe God doesn't exist",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439587729
49702224,49703413,2015-08-14 21:29:29,">>49702745
>You can find examples of this in any ideology
Very weak counter to anon's argument. You've said that this happens in any ideology and failed to address the why it occurred in Atheism. Try again. 
>No they didn't. They killed for Communism, which is a religion 
Which god or gods does Communism worship? It doesn't it's a secular ideology or philosophy depending on which view you take. Whilst there are some ""religions"" that are more philosophical than deistic (Bhuddism) this cannot be equated to Communism. 
>>49703107
>Tips tin foil fedora.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439587769
49702224,49703485,2015-08-14 21:31:23,">>49702524
the flag says all I need to know",,Anonymous,1399111628938.png,5CypCVjNQQFJ9nulWD9xYQ==,US,,1439587883
49702224,49703526,2015-08-14 21:32:16,">>49703413
>implying communism wasn't a Jewish construct",,Anonymous,1362627710352.png,m1ioCSC7w71Xjp5dmjvRww==,US,,1439587936
49702224,49703532,2015-08-14 21:32:23,">>49703330
>Implying you'd have any such ideologies with a superior religious and moral background.
Turns out that with the church leading world affairs, you DIDNT have any of that level of strife. 
The ""enlightenment"" of atheists and rationalists has brought widespread devastation and deception to the world on a scale corrupt religious institutions could never even dream of.",,Anonymous,tumblr_mvlzazWbY51rb06tgo1_250.gif,D6oxZyCFoKYvr33a6ayyiQ==,US,,1439587943
49702224,49703572,2015-08-14 21:33:31,">>49703532
>Praise Allah.
Yeah. Uh. Sure.
>inb4 wrong religion",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588011
49702224,49703581,2015-08-14 21:33:53,"Let's get the conversation going
 >“Atheists often exempt themselves from their own claims and theories”. They make sweeping claims to explain the world we live in but act as if they themselves are not part of this. Let me speak to this issue first. Atheists will claim that we are all just molecular machines.
>But if we are all just clumps of molecules, then the laws of physics determine everything that we think or do. But if that is the case, why should we believe anything that anyone says – including the atheists? If we are all just the stuff of the laws of physics, then we don’t reason, we merely react.
>Says Turek, “If everyone is a molecular machine, then why do atheists act as if they can freely and reasonably arrive at atheistic conclusions? We’ll see that this self-defeating problem haunts atheists at every turn.” Indeed, let’s look at reason a bit further.
>Properly speaking, atheists reject reason, since they claim that only matter matters. All there is in the world is physical reality – nothing more. So on their own view, all the really important things in life, such as love, beauty, reason, volition, morality, and justice do not or cannot exist.
>These are all non-material realities. But the atheists deny there are any meta-physical or super-natural things that exist. But we cannot explain non-material realities if there is only a material world. As atheist evolutionary biologist J. B. S. Haldane once put it: “If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true…and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.”
>Here is one honest atheist who is willing to admit to the self-refuting nature of atheistic materialism. Science itself cannot be true if human reasoning is not valid. So all the arguments made by people like Dawkins should just be dismissed out of hand.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588033
49702224,49703597,2015-08-14 21:34:19,"You atheists were already BTFO in the last thread, and all other threads before that. Just give up already. You are embarrassing yourselves.
>>49694935",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588059
49702224,49703637,2015-08-14 21:35:20,">>49703330
>>49703107
>>49702895
>>49702883
>>49702745
Communism cannot exist without Atheism. It's like saying the crusaders were a different Christian ideology which has nothing to do with Christianity.
Why do fedora tippers start going full no true fedora and have all these double standards when this topic is brought up.",,Anonymous,1422732291213.jpg,o4hsW5S9MQ6u4g296ox3kQ==,US,,1439588120
49702224,49703640,2015-08-14 21:35:22,">>49702690
They didn't kill 'for atheism'. They killed for Communism you fucking idiot.
You are using the same fucking arguement feminists use 'LOOK MEN WHO KILLED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. They must have done it because they are men! Men are EVIL'
Replace the word men with atheists and you that's what you are saying. Go back to tumblr princess.
>>49702939
The religious profiles one is kind of a mess. I had no idea what to do with it. A lot of users requested bullet points that could be easily copy pasted. I made them but they don't seem to ever use them. I might have to repurpose the whole thing.
>>49703158
Ok. I'm going to challenge you to show that Christianity has any moral framework what so ever.
Let's start with family. Give me any text from the bible that says family fucking matters. Old testament says you can rape a woman and force her to be your wife, kill your children if you don't like them. New Testament says you should leave your family if they are not Christian. Jesus never once shows any gratitude to his parents. He barely even acknowledges their existence.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439588122
49702224,49703649,2015-08-14 21:35:35,">>49703597
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument#Criticisms_and_objections
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument#Objections_and_counterarguments
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God#Arguments_against_the_existence_of_God
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588135
49702224,49703655,2015-08-14 21:35:40,">>49703597
>he trusts Jews to tell the truth in their holy books",,Anonymous,1328653327043.jpg,8YtcSfzRpNWKEnxtqsB5xw==,US,,1439588140
49702224,49703660,2015-08-14 21:35:44,">>49702224
autism general",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1439588144
49702224,49703667,2015-08-14 21:35:52,">>49703532
Nonsense. Religious ideologies have brought horrors that have resulted in the death of millions, or are you going to pretend the Taiping Rebellion never happened?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439588152
49702224,49703695,2015-08-14 21:36:29,">>49703649
>wikipedia
Seriously nigger?",,Anonymous,1439432690983.jpg,OyfWriIInicX3yYbOnpFdA==,US,,1439588189
49702224,49703700,2015-08-14 21:36:32,>>49703637,,Anonymous,1339019809205.jpg,f026msmvk8DNGZtQQd303w==,US,,1439588192
49702224,49703712,2015-08-14 21:36:50,">>49703597
Why are you linking the thread where Christfags were utterly BTFO?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439588210
49702224,49703735,2015-08-14 21:37:31,">>49703695
>supports an infographic
>laughs at wikipedia",,Anonymous,images (3).jpg,FOYAasAoNiQjv7KttS2iYg==,US,,1439588251
49702224,49703737,2015-08-14 21:37:32,">>49703640
>killed for Communism
The crusaders killed for political reasons and wealth.
That's how you sound. Communism and Atheism are inseparable. Atheists do the same thing with other religions and strawmans then but when the same is done to the Religion of Atheism they start making up all these excuses, and spout logical fallacies",,Anonymous,2bdf7b17717ec92e243ef04e6d9765c8f6058d549d3669168fd09082faa3e2bb.jpg,5rFw3Cc4MBU5GPMgUZ1jVQ==,US,,1439588252
49702224,49703770,2015-08-14 21:38:19,">>49703712
because that's how these threads work
two opposing views enter
two opposing views leave while calling the other side ""btfo"" and ""mad"" no matter what",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588299
49702224,49703783,2015-08-14 21:38:31,">>49703700
Modern day atheism is a Jewish creation. Very ironic.",,Anonymous,1432743707688.png,N5oXsAIj6kziJavzU6Fq6g==,US,,1439588311
49702224,49703854,2015-08-14 21:40:05,">>49703637
What you are doing would be similar to an atheist blaming islamic terrorism on christians because both Islam and Christianity are theistic worldviews.
Like I said, the atheism prevalent in contemporary philosophy finds it roots in a wholly different school of thought, it has absolutely nothing to do with marxism.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439588405
49702224,49703919,2015-08-14 21:41:43,">>49703783
>implying the bible wasnt written by jews
you just went full turbo retard",,Anonymous,hKYrv.png,npHYwTWMx0VQertoSCn9wA==,AR,,1439588503
49702224,49703935,2015-08-14 21:42:24,">>49703667
> It was a millenarian movement led by Hong Xiuquan, who announced that he had received visions in which he learned that he was the younger brother of Jesus
>brother of jesus",,Anonymous,1438810472555.jpg,1+tcjXSdReZ6l9EC+tDNUQ==,LB,,1439588544
49702224,49703943,2015-08-14 21:42:31,">>49703783
The thing is, I fucking hate Jews, and would cheerfully gas every last fucking one of those shitstains. You Christcucks are too scared your magic kike in the sky will ""curse"" you for ""cursing"" the Chosen People (see God's promise to Abraham in Genesis). That is, unless you don't think Sky Daddy keeps his promises, but if that's the case why trust anything he says at all?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588551
49702224,49703979,2015-08-14 21:43:27,">>49703783
>Literally worshiping a kike on a stick and giving your shekels to a bunch of greedy cunts.
>Not a Jewish creation.",,Anonymous,Christianity2.jpg,g+OOj31or3w8df4zHP+Zfg==,GB,,1439588607
49702224,49704023,2015-08-14 21:44:45,">>49703854
But this is about facts. Whereas in reality. Islamic terrorism could be traced back to the CIA covert ops and US interests in that region. Islamic terrorists also don't say ""Islam and Christianity are inseparable"" or ""You cannot have Islam without Christianity""
Whereas Marxists and Communists openly declare that atheism is apart of communism and vice versa.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588685
49702224,49704085,2015-08-14 21:46:36,">>49704023
>You can't have a crusade without Christianity.
How do you feel about a Christian nation bombing Islamic ones, and Islamic nations terrorizing Christian ones?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588796
49702224,49704103,2015-08-14 21:47:03,">>49703526
I think we all know that the leading Communists were mostly ethnic Jews, but your comment is doing two things. First it's acknowledging that communism caused the world's great crimes. Second, it's trying to suggest Communism is in fact not secular but a Jewish conspiracy. Weak arguments which fail to address the central premise that atheism lacks an effective moral framework and therefore results in immoral conduct.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439588823
49702224,49704107,2015-08-14 21:47:06,">>49703597
The whole arguement for a God that existed 'before time' is nonsense. Time is not like water where you either are in it or not. It's just a word we use to describe the rate of change.
No time means no change. In other words 'the God beyound time' is basically a game that changes things without changing things. It's a paradox of the highest degree.
>>49703737
You do realize there are atheists in the world that are not Communists. Your entire arguement is one giant strawman where you try to say all atheists are communists. You might as well say that all Christians do holy war. 
Do you know the difference between correlation and causation? This is crap that should have been on your SAT.
Some atheists are communists. Not all atheists are communists. Some Christians commit holy war. Not all Christians are killers.
>>49703783
At least I don't worship the king of the jews and ask him for forgivness for being born Goy =D",,OuterLimits,Jew King.png,hluhOZurQ5lePbJUyaf6zA==,US,,1439588826
49702224,49704119,2015-08-14 21:47:27,">>49704023
Its like Christianity has never done horrific crimes and that you have to try to link Islam with it.",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1439588847
49702224,49704128,2015-08-14 21:47:41,">>49703919
It wasn't though. Are you retarded?
>>49703943
>he thinks God is in the sky
>this is what fedoras actually believe
Are you retarded? Even Hitler gassed the kikes.
>>49703979
Nobody worships Jesus, they worship God. It's very ironic how Fedoraists of the Religion of Atheism change the subject when they are being BTFO. FYI I'm an Atheist, but just don't like how cult like modern day Atheism is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588861
49702224,49704184,2015-08-14 21:49:27,">>49704128
>""Praise Jesus!""
>inb4 not muh religion
>""Holy Mother of Mary""
>inb4 not really worship",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439588967
49702224,49704189,2015-08-14 21:49:34,">>49704023
Islamic terrorists do claim their worldview to be the only valid interpretion of theism, they claim to be following the true and only god.
And it doesn't matter what marxists claim, western atheism has nothing to do with their ideology.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439588974
49702224,49704190,2015-08-14 21:49:34,">>49704128
I didn't change the subject. I answered muh Jews with muh Jews.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439588974
49702224,49704202,2015-08-14 21:50:09,"Agnosticism doesn't just imply that ""I don't know the answers"" it means that no one knows the answers. Why can't someone say that they KNOW that something exists that is greater than our understanding, but as yet, no one can define what that is? I know that something exists greater than what we know, but I don't know what that is. I just know that I experienced it. I am an agnostic. Amen.",,Anon,,,US,,1439589009
49702224,49704207,2015-08-14 21:50:17,">>49702224
>Atheism General
How did everyone form thing? Mathematically it makes zero sense.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439589017
49702224,49704237,2015-08-14 21:51:16,">>49704085
>political wars
>religious wars
How dumb are you fedoras?
>>49704107
>>49704107
>these double standards
This is same argument Atheists use against religion. 
>At least I don't worship the king of the jews
It's amazing how all you fedoras think everyone who argues against the cult like behavior of Atheism must be religious. I'm an atheist myself anyways and used to be apart of the Religion of Atheism, lead by dawkings, I eventually saw it's cult like behavior and started to speak out against it. However dawkins said I committed apostasy, or as he said ""tergiversation"" and that I should be killed.
>>49704119
I was just making an example against the Religion of Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589076
49702224,49704265,2015-08-14 21:51:58,">>49704184
>any of that
>worship
I guess saying ""God bless you"" so a sneezing person means you're worshiping them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589118
49702224,49704309,2015-08-14 21:53:28,">>49704237
>How dumb are you fedoras?
They're literally religious wars. Ask ANY Islamic or Christian extremist. After all, you don't want to be a hypocrite, do you? If atheists are being measure by extremists, so too must the religious, right?
>>49704265
And yet I hear theists demand that I either admit to worshiping God for being polite or not say it at all. How strange...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589208
49702224,49704317,2015-08-14 21:53:41,">>49704103
>start to type out reply about how Communism was a product of the malignant narcissism and hatred for humanity that wouldn't exist without Judaism
>see flag
>realize folly of my ways
kikeloving cunt",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589221
49702224,49704364,2015-08-14 21:54:55,>>49704128,,Anonymous,1400384162173.gif,WKXpFVNxEtK9YBW5yVtETQ==,US,,1439589295
49702224,49704394,2015-08-14 21:55:38,">>49704189
Do you fedoras even read your own posts. You just showed your double standards. You strawman religion, but when the same is done to the Religion of Atheism you claim it has nothing to do with it.
I'll just switch some verbs in your statement.
>Communist Marxists do claim their worldview to be the only valid interpretion of atheism, they claim to be following the true and only atheism.
>And it doesn't matter what marxists claim
But it does matter. You can't dismiss it because they did something that made your religion look bad.
>western atheism
Western Atheism is literally just a result of Soviet subversion techniques. I grew up in the USSR and my teacher used to tell me how they would bring atheism to the West to destroy it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589338
49702224,49704413,2015-08-14 21:55:57,">>49704190
I'm not religious though. I'm an atheist just like you retards.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589357
49702224,49704433,2015-08-14 21:56:26,">>49704394
>calls people fedora
>accuses them of strawman
Ironic. If it wasn't so stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589386
49702224,49704437,2015-08-14 21:56:34,">>49704394
>grew up in the JewSSR",,Anonymous,1364090379128s.jpg,pd3psna1xBEZI87J826BeA==,US,,1439589394
49702224,49704468,2015-08-14 21:57:19,">>49703330
>While communism is an atheistic ideology, western atheism has literally nothing to do with communism/marxism, it comes from a completely different intellectual tradition.
Arguably communism is more similar to religions than to contemporary atheism, in its absolutism, its intolerance of other points of view, its indifference to evidence and facts.",,Anonymous,religion-evidence-1437865367026.jpg,BPUt/xA6fYbTozFOW9po4w==,AU,,1439589439
49702224,49704486,2015-08-14 21:57:48,">>49704309
And the gulags literally are atheist extermination camps
>If atheists are being measure by extremists, so too must the religious, right?
The religious already are, but when someone states the atrocities of atheism suddenly american atheists get all defensive that that's not true atheism when in reality it's the highest form of 100% pure atheism. Like that cuck Dawkins & his followers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589468
49702224,49704490,2015-08-14 21:57:51,">>49704413
Who cares faggot?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439589471
49702224,49704520,2015-08-14 21:58:39,">>49704237
It's mostly poking fun at Christians more than making a real point. But Jesus is literally the king of the jews. That's one of his many titles so it's not like I am being dishonest.
>>49704103
Jews are behind both Communism and Christianity both had the exact same goals. They were both surivel strategies. The Jewish mindset is 'we are oppressed. If everyone would learn to love each other no one would ever oppress anyone.' So they go around trying to comfort victims and end oppression.
Christianity was the first attempt. A universal religion, not one bound by ethnicity, And a God that loves everyone.
Communism was the next attempt. In fact communism is just Christianity with the government replacing God.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439589519
49702224,49704525,2015-08-14 21:58:40,">>49704364
>against a International Zionist creation like atheism
>must be a jew himself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589520
49702224,49704543,2015-08-14 21:59:11,">>49703532
Death rates from violence were actually orders of magnitude higher during the era of religious hegemony. Source: book - a farewell to alms.
We tried your approach and it didn't work.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439589551
49702224,49704544,2015-08-14 21:59:11,">>49704486
>we live in a world where ""Islamaphobia"" is a real word
>""the religious already are""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589551
49702224,49704547,2015-08-14 21:59:13,">>49704394
>>Communist Marxists do claim their worldview to be the only valid interpretion of atheism, they claim to be following the true and only atheism.
And they are wrong, in the same way islamic terrorists are wrong in thinking their view is the ""valid"" interpretation of theism. That was the point of my analogy, or you have trouble understanding human communication?
>Western Atheism is literally just a result of Soviet subversion techniques.
What a bunch of idiotic nonsense. This is literally /x/-tier shit.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439589553
49702224,49704565,2015-08-14 21:59:33,How can you be an Atheist after this man proved the existence of god? I understand not following any specific religion but you just can't deny a creator.,,Anonymous,aquinas.jpg,K0dUWphYAxtDkt6bBomtYA==,US,,1439589573
49702224,49704579,2015-08-14 21:59:48,">>49704265
>I sneeze
>guy says god bless you
>KEEP YOUR BRONZE AGE SAND DUNE MYTHS TO YOURSELF
That's how I should handle it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589588
49702224,49704586,2015-08-14 22:00:03,Just dropping by to say that I still respect you guys and I'll pray for you all on Sunday.,,Anonymous,1422048778507.jpg,XmHLQEfWatHFjllwez8+1A==,US,,1439589603
49702224,49704587,2015-08-14 22:00:04,">>49704525
and the alternative is...?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589604
49702224,49704589,2015-08-14 22:00:04,">>49702224
>Agnostic Master race
>Atheist
>Implying they are the same thing.
Don't compare me to the the cheapness of Agnostic. True atheist absolve of themselves of ridiculousness of the ""There could be something out there."" Basically Agnostics keep their toe in the magic pool where as Atheist full remove themselves from it.",,Anonymous,bullshit.jpg,vh4nU7gCSgCIkj1yUZaBRA==,US,,1439589604
49702224,49704616,2015-08-14 22:00:29,">>49704128
>It wasn't though. Are you retarded?
My god you are retarded. You do know that Jesus and his disciples were Jews don't you? And that the Old Testament is the same as the Jewish Talmud?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439589629
49702224,49704638,2015-08-14 22:00:55,">>49704565
>015.M3
>trusting anyone stupid enough to believe Jewish lies and fairy tales",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589655
49702224,49704652,2015-08-14 22:01:11,">>49704565
But the Five Proofs are easily falsified. 
>>49704468
The fact that Stalin, Mao, and Lenin were worshiped and prayed to also supports the ""Communism is a religion"" statement. Lysenkoism is basically magic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589671
49702224,49704654,2015-08-14 22:01:15,ITT,,Anonymous,1439047884160.jpg,sPqQEsXeIzKkC1Y9md0wmQ==,CA,,1439589675
49702224,49704662,2015-08-14 22:01:22,">>49704433
I don't think you know what a strawman is.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
>>49704437
Yes I grew up an atheist in the USSR and saw atheism first hand. You people are deluded to think that by natural law, an atheist society wouldn't either collapse under it's own weakness or evolve into a Communist dictatorship to survive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589682
49702224,49704679,2015-08-14 22:01:44,"this is too easy...
#1..dumbfucks that don't believe there issa GOD...will always exist...
and seem stupid...
#2 atheist's w/mommy issues will ALWAYS 
suc daddies dic for the money...
#3 if you don't Believe...no1 gives a fuck...go to hell already...",,Patriot,1391563017106.jpg,gpOwQA2CSbzjs/Dj6a7KrA==,US,,1439589704
49702224,49704681,2015-08-14 22:01:45,">>49704107
>The whole arguement for a God that existed 'before time' is nonsense. Time is not like water where you either are in it or not. It's just a word we use to describe the rate of change.
time != change. in fact time is nearly impossible to define, but we can at least be sure that it's ""contained"" within our universe, and so the idea that a prime mover is likely beyond its influence is a non-issue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589705
49702224,49704683,2015-08-14 22:01:51,">>49704490
Well, you do. You responded first.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589711
49702224,49704690,2015-08-14 22:02:02,">>49703581
p-please respond",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589722
49702224,49704691,2015-08-14 22:02:03,">>49704652
What do you mean falsified?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589723
49702224,49704715,2015-08-14 22:02:41,">>49704662
>implying i accused you of using a strawman
Like I said: stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589761
49702224,49704725,2015-08-14 22:02:54,">>49704662
>>49704679",,Anonymous,bait.png,yu4druy1oSIZ9ir6hMK7zQ==,GB,,1439589774
49702224,49704750,2015-08-14 22:03:38,">>49704394
>Western Atheism is literally just a result of Soviet subversion techniques
It really isn't. 
It's the result of following a line of questioning to it's end. 
Religious people who actually believe in god are intellectually dishonest. 
No amount of hand waving can reconcile your holy books and beliefs with reality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589818
49702224,49704778,2015-08-14 22:04:09,">>49704616
In his defense, Paul, who wrote much of the new testament, wasn't a Jew. But he's more of an exception to the rule.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589849
49702224,49704799,2015-08-14 22:04:32,">>49703581
>But if we are all just clumps of molecules
This is the fallacy of composition. We are made of molecules so we have no other properties such as reason. 
A similar argument you might say ""a house is made of bricks therefore that it all it is, bricks. So it cannot provide shelter"" or ""a computer is made from transistors so that it all it is. It cannot have other properties like the ability to calculate"".
Reason arose from evolution because the ability to reason carried survival advantages. So it is not surprising and indeed it is expected that atoms would eventually come into formations that can reason.
P)ic refers - a rainbow explained by reason (theory of electromagnetism) much better than the BS just so story in the collection of fabrications and lies known as the Bible.",,Anonymous,cloud-rainbow.jpg,6rgNAlahp+Gql/D45Z+x7Q==,AU,,1439589872
49702224,49704807,2015-08-14 22:04:44,">>49704725
^look..a fucktard exists^",,Patriot,1352065260991.jpg,45OVNZoLH/24oZQwimga7g==,US,,1439589884
49702224,49704810,2015-08-14 22:04:53,">>49702224
Scientific agnostic here. 
DNA is too complex to have just been a natural reaction in space. Plus, we have theorized that microbes can be frozen in space for millions of years before landing on planetary surfaces. 
Panspermia is my theory on how life got to earth, but I still don't think that it was created by some omnipotent being. Probably some ancient hyperintelligent non-carbon based life form that nobody will ever come across in the lifespan of humanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589893
49702224,49704817,2015-08-14 22:04:57,">>49704544
What are you even implying autist? That true atheism isn't a Communist dictatorship?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589897
49702224,49704821,2015-08-14 22:05:01,">>49704662
>I grew up a kike in the JewSSR
get gassed",,Anonymous,1385970546582.png,dvK05yCRzdkt/b/VWXhdmw==,US,,1439589901
49702224,49704831,2015-08-14 22:05:13,">>49704681
Time really is just the rate of change. It's that simple. Also you do realize that on current science ""universe"" is just a word that means 'everything that exists put togeather'. Anything outside the Universe by definition does not exist.
Aquina's arguements are based on very outdated physics models from Aristotle, a guy who thought heavier objects hit the ground before lighter objects.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439589913
49702224,49704832,2015-08-14 22:05:14,">>49704691
Their logic is flawed and riddled with holes. ""Debunking"" Aquinas is easy. 
I don't know if the OP restructured his autismpost, but it used to (Or some other atheism general guy) had a nice site showing the Argument from Motion as being garbage.
http://philosophy.lander.edu/intro/motion.shtml
At least I think that was the site.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589914
49702224,49704847,2015-08-14 22:05:32,>>49704807,,Anonymous,1410747705933.png,LVCXVYl665fSIUpzV2Rk3A==,GB,,1439589932
49702224,49704859,2015-08-14 22:05:52,">>49704810
>Scientific agnostic here.
You mean Agnostic Atheist. Just own your goddamn Atheism and stop trying to parrot the middle-man/mutually-exclusive hoax.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589952
49702224,49704866,2015-08-14 22:06:04,">>49704817
Well, I called you stupid twice. Third time the charm?
Stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589964
49702224,49704888,2015-08-14 22:06:35,">>49704662
>Yes I grew up an atheist in the USSR and saw atheism first hand.
Atheism=/=dictatorship",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439589995
49702224,49704917,2015-08-14 22:07:22,">>49704317
Fuck off faggot. You've been BTFOd and now you're left with little beyond:
>I have an argument but I'm not going to type it out because you're a faggot.
Stay mad bro",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439590042
49702224,49704918,2015-08-14 22:07:23,">>49704778
Paul the Apostle was a Jew though. His name was Hebrew (שָׁאוּל). He even says he was a Jew several times.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590043
49702224,49704937,2015-08-14 22:07:55,">>49704831
>Time really is just the rate of change. It's that simple.
no it isn't. because time has also a subjective component, i.e. our mental experience of the universe.
>Also you do realize that on current science ""universe"" is just a word that means 'everything that exists put togeather'. Anything outside the Universe by definition does not exist.
so what? you're just playing with definitions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590075
49702224,49704963,2015-08-14 22:08:44,">>49704547
>they are wrong
But our form of Atheism worked and make the USSR into a super power. I doubt your modern day cucked version of atheism would ever achieve such status.
>x tier
I grew up their, it's literally from the horse's mouth. I could say with confidence that the cultural collapse of Western civilization would be the work of my home nation(the USSR)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590124
49702224,49704971,2015-08-14 22:08:48,">>49704810
Micheal Behe please",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590128
49702224,49704974,2015-08-14 22:08:56,">>49704859
I haven't ruled out the theory of a God in any circumstance
I'm not that edgy, m8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590136
49702224,49705013,2015-08-14 22:09:54,">>49704917
>implying I didn't type my argument out at least in part
>implying you're not an Ausfailian shitposting cunt
you gonna make me break out the emus, cunt?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590194
49702224,49705017,2015-08-14 22:09:56,>>49704963,,Anonymous,u_call_this_b8.jpg,QW5LG6AkXrdzfXgK/PTZ+Q==,GB,,1439590196
49702224,49705022,2015-08-14 22:10:06,">>49704579
>k-keep y-y-your b-b-bronze age s-sand d-dune m-muhyths tuh y-urself
This is how it'll happen IRL",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590206
49702224,49705043,2015-08-14 22:10:36,">>49704750
>No amount of hand waving can reconcile your holy books and beliefs with reality.
I have just finished reading a number of scholarly books on the Bible and it is amazing how bad it is. The Torah (old testament) was all written many decades to centuries after the elleged events, the biblical partriarchs Abraham and Moses didn't exist, the Exodus from Egypt never happened, most of the books of Moses were written centuries later than the supposed events by people with particular agendas to push who presented 'facts' to fit the agendas. Daniel is a complete fabrication. 
The Gospels were written many decades after the alleged events by people who weren't there and without any evidence of actual eyewitness testimony. It is even quite uncertain whether Jesus even existed.
Even coming to this as a long time atheist, I am surprised how bad it is.",,Anonymous,religion-lucky.jpg,vbe8+nNnJnAcDupHdf1sFQ==,AU,,1439590236
49702224,49705053,2015-08-14 22:10:50,">>49704587
An atheist who grew up in an atheist nation, who witnessed the attrocities of atheism with his own eyes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590250
49702224,49705086,2015-08-14 22:12:04,">>49704616
>old testament
>talmud
It's the Torah, not the Talmud. Also Jesus revealed the Gospel not the Torah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590324
49702224,49705093,2015-08-14 22:12:14,">>49705053
Tits or gtfo.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590334
49702224,49705100,2015-08-14 22:12:28,">>49704520
>Jews are behind both Communism and Christianity both had the exact same goals.
Come on, conflating communism and Christianity really is a desperate attempt. 
>The Jewish mindset is 'we are oppressed. If everyone would learn to love each other no one would ever oppress anyone.' So they go around trying to comfort victims and end oppression.
That is literally the opposite of the Jewish mindset. Judaism is not a religion of faith, it's a religion of rules. Love and oppression may exist at points but ultimately god provides Jews rules and they must adhere to them.
>Christianity was the first attempt. A universal religion, not one bound by ethnicity, And a God that loves everyone.
So the Jews have their religion and its rule, yet they are supposed to have created and run a separate religion to support their own religion. That is a circular argument if ever I've seen one.
>Communism was the next attempt. In fact communism is just Christianity with the government replacing God.
So communism is Christianity but without god and without Christianity. Do you realise how ridiculous this claim is?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439590348
49702224,49705108,2015-08-14 22:12:53,">>49704963
>But our form of Atheism
How a philosophical view is used (and how successful or not it is) to achieve political goals has absolutely nothing to do with whether the view is true or false. By your logic Islam is true because it managed to conquer a vast portion of the world.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439590373
49702224,49705117,2015-08-14 22:13:02,">>49705043
and every masturbating individual on 4chan believes you...no we don't you stupid fuck",,Patriot,1370469213555.jpg,xYv54Jn4RXuRM/IQJFImww==,US,,1439590382
49702224,49705136,2015-08-14 22:13:29,">>49705043
Those ""scholarly"" books can't solve one problem. Why would saints die for Jesus if he wasn't the son of God and resurrected?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590409
49702224,49705137,2015-08-14 22:13:30,">>49705022
I have Christian friends.
It already happened and we all thought it was funny.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590410
49702224,49705140,2015-08-14 22:13:33,">>49704715
>>49704725
>cannot refute any arguements
>goes full retard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590413
49702224,49705165,2015-08-14 22:14:18,">>49705043
>people say this at the same time others say ""scholarly books"" prove the Bible is true
It's almost like people doing research on religion have biases and agendas.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590458
49702224,49705184,2015-08-14 22:14:45,">>49705013
Sure m80. Your argument was shit and you have no counterpoint. The only resort you have is to attack with ad hominems or ignore what's placed in front of you.
>ITT: Athiests BTFOd",,Anonymous,Atheist paradise.jpg,Q7Xs1pRbce6eSLoZKsd3cQ==,AU,,1439590485
49702224,49705193,2015-08-14 22:15:11,">>49705086
>old testament
>torah
It's the Tankh, not the Torah. Also Jews did 9/11",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590511
49702224,49705199,2015-08-14 22:15:16,">>49705140
>refute my trolling",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590516
49702224,49705208,2015-08-14 22:15:37,">>49704750
>this is what western pig dogs actually believe
You're like an American who falsely believes he is free when his own government spies on him.
Plus even as an Atheist myself, I have to say Abrahamic religions are a great moral guide for civilizations.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590537
49702224,49705209,2015-08-14 22:15:43,">>49705136
Do you have proof that any of the Saints even existed? 
The only early Martyrs we know for sure exist are the scum the Zoroastrians killed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590543
49702224,49705222,2015-08-14 22:16:04,">>49705086
I stand corrected, they both start with T and I got confused.
>Also Jesus revealed the Gospel not the Torah.
Don't think I suggested this.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439590564
49702224,49705223,2015-08-14 22:16:05,>>49704821,,Anonymous,ddb.png,OyR0YMw4P+g5HFc6RVHPgg==,US,,1439590565
49702224,49705224,2015-08-14 22:16:12,">>49705184
>mfw I made an Australian shitposter this mad",,Anonymous,1347677916784.jpg,e+H5GeVz+9yjPUgee1n2lA==,US,,1439590572
49702224,49705232,2015-08-14 22:16:16,">>49705043
You have to admit, the foreshadowing for Jesus was pretty top notch though.",,Anonymous,Adam to Noah.jpg,mdnNFg6pSD8iqDDJ6Gpg3w==,US,,1439590576
49702224,49705241,2015-08-14 22:16:44,">>49704866
>le edgy teenage high-school phase
Reddit is that way
>>>/r/eddit",,Anonymous,fingerless-gloves-fedora.png,e0VOM9iY+ipOuBkvJgqTAA==,US,,1439590604
49702224,49705326,2015-08-14 22:19:53,">>49704888
It is. An atheist nation intrinsically has to be authoritarian to be successful. With no morals, the entire population will be like a colony of ants who serve the state and need a central leader to guide them either that or it will fail.
t. grew up in the USSR",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590793
49702224,49705368,2015-08-14 22:21:53,">>49705223
see
>>49699465",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590913
49702224,49705376,2015-08-14 22:22:14,"1/2
The Bible says that proof of God comes from the Prophets. For example, the prophecy of Alexander the Great.
Book of Daniel Chapter 8
4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people.
25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.",,Anonymous,Alexander.jpg,hbQm57pXljb84Dsje8A6EA==,US,,1439590934
49702224,49705384,2015-08-14 22:22:48,">>49705376
>The goat stands for the king of Greece. 
so it must be a Greek king
>The large horn between his eyes is the first king. 
Alexander
>22 Four horns took its place when it was broken off. They stand for four kingdoms that will come from his nation. But those kingdoms will not be as powerful as his.
When Alexander died, his nation split into 4 kingdoms: The Ptolemaic Kingdom, the Seleucid Empire, Kingdom of Pergamon, and Macedonia.
also the part that says
>24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power.
is referring to Alexander's father, Philip II. Alexander had everything needed for world conquest handed to him by his daddy.
Unless you can find another Greek king that conquered Persia and Media that fits all of these requirements, it has to be Alexander.
The next objection is that ""well obviously Daniel was written after the fact""
Scholars consider Daniel to be written between 165-169 because the book includes Antiochus' campaigns in Egypt, which occurred between 169 and 165. Our earliest fragment on Daniel (Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q114) dates to 100-150 B.C., and it's obviously part of a copy.
There's a few issues though.
The Essene Community(the guys who we got the dead sea scrolls from) was founded in 150 B.C. and already considered a book allegedly written 15 years after their founding as scriptural canon. They also had the book of jubilees, which was almost certainly written in 160 BC, and it was not considered canon.
Additionally the language in the Book of Daniel has Persian influence, but very little greek influence, which would be expected in a 2nd century text. The Hebrew matches that of 6th century Hebrew(yes, languages change over time), and the Aramaic is similar to the 5th century Aramaic used in Ezra.
tl;dr When dating it, they basically took a naturalist ""you can't predict the future"" approach and tried molding the evidence to fit their own narrative by placing it in the 2nd century BC.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439590968
49702224,49705402,2015-08-14 22:23:28,">>49705193
>it's the Tanakh
This kike gets it
>fuck the gemerah",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591008
49702224,49705421,2015-08-14 22:23:54,">>49705108
But it is still Atheism, just a superior version of it.
>By your logic Islam is true
That's right though. Or you can say that this was proof of divine right. The Islam of the Golden Age would be superior to Saudi Arabia. In the Same sense the atheism of the USSR is superior to the cucked modern day version. Might makes right.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591034
49702224,49705427,2015-08-14 22:24:03,">>49705043
that is prolly 'cause your dad touched you inappropri8ly...queer",,Patriot,1352064815295.jpg,H1vPyZ1X0tPQWrKT2EfROg==,US,,1439591043
49702224,49705489,2015-08-14 22:27:08,>>49705241,,Anonymous,agnostics.jpg,nZSOcjh0U89mig787kkkrA==,GB,,1439591228
49702224,49705511,2015-08-14 22:28:01,"queer atheist's are like that queer that sux dic...
all surprised when they get queer throat...or cancer of the queer face...",,Patriot,1369312616157.jpg,O9WwCcXqJoRV7dDuLMHHvQ==,US,,1439591281
49702224,49705512,2015-08-14 22:28:01,">>49705368
I'm an atheist myself anyways and used to be apart of the Religion of Atheism, lead by dawkings, I eventually saw it's cult like behavior and started to speak out against it. However dawkins said I committed apostasy, or as he said ""tergiversation"" and that I should be killed.
I am worried about how the majority of atheists are autistic permavirgin losers with no GFs, I think this is what causes them to be atheists. They have very high suicide rates and I'm trying to find the cause of this. Could is be what they experienced in life? Like being permavirgin total losers
The rate of autism and suicide are very high and I wonder what will we atheists will do about it before our religion dies out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-hutson/autism-atheism_b_1557098.html
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303
Our religion has also been responsible for the genocide of hundreds of millions and we have been ignoring this and denying it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591281
49702224,49705531,2015-08-14 22:28:52,">>49705489
I'm not agnostic. I'm 100% Atheist. I grew up in the USSR under true atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591332
49702224,49705550,2015-08-14 22:29:32,">>49705512
no, Schlomo, you're a kike from the JewSSR. Get gassed already",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591372
49702224,49705561,2015-08-14 22:30:04,">>49705421
>just a superior version of it.
How is it ""superior""?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439591404
49702224,49705566,2015-08-14 22:30:05,">>49705512
^then they all want non queers to pay for their queer diseases^",,Patriot,1355836628571.jpg,4OlZkj1iZLdNKciJil7r9g==,US,,1439591405
49702224,49705570,2015-08-14 22:30:07,">>49705531
Actually you're a faggot who lives in his mums basement.",,Anonymous,retard_alert.jpg,BafR+0k+e8TyN9LdOGC92A==,GB,,1439591407
49702224,49705607,2015-08-14 22:31:57,">>49705512
Sweet Lord Hitchens that was baitey",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591517
49702224,49705637,2015-08-14 22:33:10,">>49705512
You know nobody believes you are actually an atheist, right?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439591590
49702224,49705652,2015-08-14 22:33:47,">>49705561
It turned us into a super power along with tons of advanced in space exploration and even rivaled all of Western Civilization in military might. What has the cucked western version of atheism done?
>>49705570
Projecting much?
>>49705637
I am though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439591627
49702224,49705695,2015-08-14 22:36:45,>>49705652,,Anonymous,1364090677402.jpg,R6fYDlh0n9+vxX8US0pCWg==,US,,1439591805
49702224,49705709,2015-08-14 22:36:56,">>49705652
>He doesn't deny it.
>Projecting much?
I'm projecting the truth about you.",,Anonymous,nigel_laugh.jpg,AW73zlLyKgXMbRwPLq99rw==,GB,,1439591816
49702224,49705756,2015-08-14 22:39:11,">>49705709
>>He doesn't deny it
>actually thinking like this
Do we need any more proof you're under age? And probably some butthurt nerd who gets cucked by immigrants?
Your banter is shit tier.",,Anonymous,laughing hoes.png,o3gMR+1XauEkpiFnIpCZ9w==,US,,1439591951
49702224,49705771,2015-08-14 22:39:51,">>49705652
>It turned us into a super power
You know the USSR doesn't exist anymore right? Its ideology is widely seen as debunked by the world.
On the other hand, western atheism, physicalism and metaphysical naturalism remain the dominant views in the academia.
>What has the cucked western version of atheism done?
It has heavily influenced philosophy and science for over a 100 years.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1439591991
49702224,49705776,2015-08-14 22:40:07,">>49702602
>Most ethical philosophies are independent of a god
Not really, most ethical philosophies are built on themselves which means that they aren't 'really' ethical, there is not intrinsic moral value.
Moral meaning can only be accounted for if some grand mind takes everything into account, otherwise its meaningless and morals real morals cease to exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439592007
49702224,49705816,2015-08-14 22:41:10,>not starting thread with best anti-theist,,Anonymous,Christopher-Hitchens-Writ-007.jpg,8T64Ixno2YBoMIJI0intSQ==,US,,1439592070
49702224,49705845,2015-08-14 22:42:12,,,Anonymous,assad_laugh.jpg,QvV+60o7AG+4Owqd9DTVIA==,GB,,1439592132
49702224,49705884,2015-08-14 22:43:23,">>49705326
1. I really doubt that you were actually there
2. Doubt you have any Russian ancestry. Maybe decent of Poland or Sweden. Possible descended from niggroids. 
3. coming to /pol/ talking about ""personal"" history is like going to /lgbt/ and saying you are straight. Both are full of shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439592203
49702224,49705966,2015-08-14 22:45:48,">>49702224
Why do you atheists not bow down to the Glourie of our true God, The Amazing Dildoni?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439592348
49702224,49705989,2015-08-14 22:46:53,">>49705771
So doesn't the Roman Empire. But this doesn't mean they weren't superior.
>dominant views in the academia
So is cuckholding.
>over a 100 years
More like 50 years. I have yet to see modern cucked atheism land robots on Venus, or build a space station. Aside from fantasizing about it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439592413
49702224,49706000,2015-08-14 22:47:08,>>49705845,,Anonymous,url.jpg,G9ha4wRYB/4PASiJmf3Sxg==,US,,1439592428
49702224,49706008,2015-08-14 22:47:27,">>49705776
You have zero knowledge of philophical history.
How do you think the Greeks derived their morality? It didn't come from Zeus or Posiden. The Gods did not give more morals. They just represented aspects of nature. No Greek philosophy ever said 'things have meaning because of the Gods'.
NEVER. It was all based on logic systems. On consequences, on cause and effect. Everything that you are screaming cannot produce a moral system. Not only did they have morality indepdent ofGod but they were a legendary empire that gave birth to western civilization and had some of the greatest thinkers of all time.
Than Christianity comes along and says everything the Greeks did was impossible. That morality can only come from a Jewish War God and his bastard son. The hundreds of years of Greek ethics and morality burnt away at the alter of Yawhei.
Than shitheads like you come along and perpuate the same lie that the founding church had. Saying the thing that people had done for thousands of years was impossible. The very idea that people are incapable of figuring out things in the world without being babysat by Rabbi Jesus is insulting to the entire foundation of western civilization.
Objective morality MY ASS. You have dozens of different sects all squallbly over who's interpretation of the bible is correct. All with their own different morality. Over a thousand years and you still can't figure out who is right.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439592447
49702224,49706039,2015-08-14 22:48:10,>>49706000,,Anonymous,umad.jpg,FmEZAUdNW76P1DY345Q7cQ==,GB,,1439592490
49702224,49706047,2015-08-14 22:48:23,">>49705884
This is /pol/, there are people of all ancestry in here. I was born in Moscow, 1970. Travel the world once amerilard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439592503
49702224,49706065,2015-08-14 22:49:23,">>49706039
t. butthurt fedora britcuck
Bruh, you didn't deny it. You clearly are mad.",,Anonymous,Laughing Wehrmacht.jpg,GgU5a5AZhdxeclbbrqvv7Q==,US,,1439592563
49702224,49706093,2015-08-14 22:50:19,"the trial of job is one great example
what a prick god is",,Anonymous,Bonnat02.jpg,/C1WVqs6tQ5WaM3GdtQcnA==,DE,,1439592619
49702224,49706138,2015-08-14 22:51:54,">>49706065
>>>/9gag/",,Anonymous,le_ebin_trolface.png,NXpf1nGnRHnohOh9VpN9tw==,GB,,1439592714
49702224,49706708,2015-08-14 23:10:18,">>49702224
What am I if I just don't fucking care either way?",,Anonymous,fuck-you.jpg,u0A/rN6QhDc7EZdv0fOGhw==,CA,,1439593818
49702224,49706890,2015-08-14 23:15:27,">>49706708
Probably an agnostic atheist.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439594127
49702224,49707284,2015-08-14 23:25:21,">>49706708
An apatheist.
>>49706890
agnostic and atheist are different.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439594721
49702224,49707367,2015-08-14 23:27:44,">>49702887
underrated post",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439594864
49702224,49707707,2015-08-14 23:37:55,">>49702887
Yeah, praise Vishnu.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439595475
49702224,49708022,2015-08-14 23:48:46,"Oh hey, my thread is still alive.
How is everyone doing this fine evening? Anyone enjoy the expanded 7 Reasons to be an Atheist? I'm currently working on the common counter-arguments section then I will fill in the other sections I link to in the 7 Reasons paste.",,Dick Dorkins,dawkins_lounge.jpg,WVxrnvG+XMjvSKF3QU8R+g==,US,,1439596126
49702224,49708079,2015-08-14 23:50:57,">>49702224
>Why Have a thread? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
Because Atheism is a religion. Their Bible is Dawkin's book, and their Prophets are The Amazing Atheist, Dawkins, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439596257
49702224,49708138,2015-08-14 23:52:46,">>49708022
I think this this post without the brashness is pastebin worthy as part of a FAQ on morality with gods.
>>49706008",,Anonymous,morality.png,yW/Yn6ClR7c62XMDz8aN5A==,US,,1439596366
49702224,49708182,2015-08-14 23:54:40,">>49705776
Inevitably it really isn't ""ethical"". A person still makes the rules and enforces them. This is the same with human affairs where laws are made and enforced by human persons. 
Thus therefore is this really objective? If my personal ethical code of conduct isn't ""objective"" and I am a mind(person), who is to say that God's own personal ethical code of conduct is really ""objective"". He is still a mind, a person like me.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439596480
49702224,49708283,2015-08-14 23:58:15,">>49708138
Yes, it is a high quality post that hits on a lot of good points. Outerlimits should fix all the typos and put it in his pastebin for use in the future (this issue comes up pretty often)
>>49708182
Malaysia, you're back! I was just about to start looking at wolfy's response to you. Were you satisfied with it?",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_01_1.jpg,Q2LfE8qGmN2O2ktZ52BbEw==,US,,1439596695
49702224,49708322,2015-08-14 23:59:33,">>49708079
Yeah, absense of belief was invented by Dawkins. Epicurus proposed it about 2000 years ago. You get your worldview from one book. Freethinkers have an nearly unlimited library to draw from for morality/philosophy. I've never even read dawkins, I just dont have a nigger/child's brain.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439596773
49702224,49708332,2015-08-15 00:00:02,">>49708138
How cute. Too bad that anyone with an actual background in philosophy knows that the entire Aristotelian school of western thinking arose from trying to understand the SUPERNATURAL before the NATURAL.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439596802
49702224,49708607,2015-08-15 00:07:49,">>49708182
Objective morality is kind of funny idea.
The idea is that God knows what he wants and he explains it. Thus we have an objective source of morality.
But doesn't everyone know what they want? Can't anyone be their own 'objective' source of morality.
Than it get's even weirder when you consider that nobody actually knows what God wants. We only have interpretations of what he wants, theologians argue for centuries and never reach a conclusion. Meanwhile the individual can know for certain what he wants. If he wants to follow God all he is really doing is following a theologians interpretation of what God wants, even if you go full Sola Scriptura you are still following the 12 disciple's interpretation of what God wanted.
Max Stirner summarizes this beautiful here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWoZmBsn1c
The natural follow up question is 'does that mean we just do whatever we want?' The answer is that your only real choices are to do what you want or do what someone else wants. This eventually leads to self-made goals. If you want to raise a family you do it because it's what you uniquely decided to, not because someone told you. The trouble with Stirner though is he doesn't talk much about big goals, which is why he is a poor man's Nietzsche.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439597269
49702224,49708691,2015-08-15 00:10:03,">>49708607
The answer is empathy. Of course you wouldn't understand that because usually atheists are too busy being autistic to be able to bond well with others.",,Anonymous,1413495691306.jpg,VannpdsZ6z5PIphSWfjd2Q==,US,,1439597403
49702224,49708782,2015-08-15 00:12:23,">>49708138
I'm going to turn that either into an image or copy paste. Which do you think would be better?
>>49708332
The bulk of Greek philosophy is in Stoicism which actually has fucking nothing to do with the supernatural. Aristotle's philosophy is based on Socrates philosophy which puts 'knowledge' as the source of virtue. There is a metaphysics connection but it's not the dominate force.
knowledge=virtue=happiness",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439597543
49702224,49708785,2015-08-15 00:12:39,">>49707284
Yes, I am aware. That's aware I said he was an agnostic atheist. Not just one or the other. If I thought they were the same thing, one of them would be redundant.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439597559
49702224,49708832,2015-08-15 00:14:04,"I'm busy tonight repairing laptop and other things but just dropping in to say
Woe to those who go to great depths
 to hide their plans from the Lord,
who do their work in darkness and think,
 “Who sees us? Who will know?”
You turn things upside down,
 as if the potter were thought to be like the clay!
Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it,
 “You did not make me”?
Can the pot say to the potter,
 “You know nothing”?
Isaiah 29 Verse 15:16
There is one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus is the messiah He sent.
Pic probably unrelated.",,St. Rawman,agnostics.png,e1N+1jq9Uns9mZgtdNCQLQ==,US,,1439597644
49702224,49708846,2015-08-15 00:14:33,">>49708691
Good job on denying God there. I guess if morality comes from empathy than we do not need God for morality.
And hey empathy is one of the most subjective things EVER. Just look at what happens every time a black thug gets shot by the cops. Half the people have little empathy and the other half are pouring tears and saying how he didn't do nuffin.
So basically you are telling me morality does not come from God and it comes from highly subjective emotions. I guess that makes you a Fedora. Is that self-photo you posted =D",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439597673
49702224,49709154,2015-08-15 00:23:46,">>49708782
>what is Aether
Son, I could wreck you all day, but you really aren't worth my time.
>Bulk of Greek philopshy is stoicism
>Zeno's teachings
>bulk of greek philosophy
>>>/lit/
Top kek. Thanks for showing 4chan what a total pleb you are. Might want to think about changing your trip since that moniker will forever hang over you like the embarrassment you truly are.
>>49708846
>implying God didn't give us empathy
Top tippity tip of the Fedora to ya!",,Anonymous,1432443614386.jpg,QLEH3b32dTqsIj3l9RZzrg==,US,,1439598226
49702224,49709210,2015-08-15 00:25:33,">>49709154
>>implying God didn't give us empathy
Yes, thank you based Brahma for giving me empathy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439598333
49702224,49709299,2015-08-15 00:27:38,">>49709154
aether does not have to do with morality. It has to do with physics. =/
Empathy comes evolution. Just like every other biological thing certain genes govern it. It's an entirely biological process. It's also not unique to humans, most higher mammals have it. The only way you could say God gave us empathy, instead of it evolving naturally is to be a fucking creationist.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439598458
49702224,49709354,2015-08-15 00:29:07,">>49708283
Personally no but it is interesting and tbh quite confusing.
>The focus is that when God creates (as God is constantly doing, hence the one great act mentioned by Boethius) he does not use himself to fashion a creation nor anything else entirely but creates or emits something altogether new.
This really seems to be the main thrust of his argument, that God constantly Creates and thus the whole of Creation is eternal. This means God has always been making stuff constantly from an unknown period in time until the 'present' if there's even such a state where he is. Thus we can't really say that Creation has a beginning because....God has constantly been doing it for like forever given that God himself doesn't have a being. He just is and never ""comes into being"".",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439598547
49702224,49709413,2015-08-15 00:30:50,">>49708846
Empathy is not subjective. If I say ""dude was shot"" you will fell bad for the dude that was shot. Then you look at facts that lead to the shooting and determine if the guy that did the shooting was justified based on evidence.
The justification of the shooting can also be explained by empathy. For example in self defense you put yourself into the position on the shooter/attacker and unless you are a psychopath the conclusion will be clear.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439598650
49702224,49709469,2015-08-15 00:32:36,">>49709413
>Empathy is not subjective. If I say ""dude was shot"" you will fell bad for the dude that was shot.
You should learn the difference between empathy and sympathy.
Atheists have a really difficult time grasping the former.
>you just described sympathy in case you are too stupid to have figured that out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439598756
49702224,49709493,2015-08-15 00:33:32,">>49709413
And also learn the difference between subjective and objective lol... Fucking milk bags man...
>and feel and fell...For fuck's sake...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439598812
49702224,49709644,2015-08-15 00:37:42,">>49709354
>tbh quite confusing.
Yeah, I'm getting those vibes too. I feel like writing a response with him is almost sure to get a response like ""you misunderstand"". I don't think he is explaining it thoroughly enough. He leaves a lot to be interpreted. 
>This means God has always been making stuff constantly from an unknown period in time until the 'present' if there's even such a state where he is.
But how could that be? How could he realize the creation of some things and then later still have the /potential/ to create more things? The ""pure actuality"" of having no potentials really starts to break down when you are talking about creation. Because things exist a certain way (and wolfshiem would agree with that since he is specifically catholic) but how can they exist in only one specific way without the prime mover still have the potential to create them in a different way?",,Dick Dorkins,Richard-Dawkins-008.jpg,gLwuOnwSiPEjMGk+/Iy+8A==,US,,1439599062
49702224,49709669,2015-08-15 00:38:40,Why are atheists always such wonderful people?,,Anonymous,stalin.jpg,cTRo2KmZK0XjflavEkE2ZA==,US,,1439599120
49702224,49709719,2015-08-15 00:40:01,"God?
>I-don't-give-a- fuck-stic
Like literally what do I get from saying ""there is"" vs ""I don't know"".
Nothing from what I can see.
I know enough to say the mystical side of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hindu, Sihk is all bullshit.
What more is there to say?
Life stances looks interesting.
>Moral nihilism
Fuck that sounds soo fedora.
> For example, a moral nihilist would say that killing someone, for whatever reason, is neither inherently right nor inherently wrong. Moral nihilists consider morality to be constructed, a complex set of rules and recommendations that may give a psychological, social, or economical advantage to its adherents, but is otherwise without universal or even relative truth in any sense.
But that sounds about what I'd argue towards.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439599201
49702224,49709751,2015-08-15 00:41:05,">>49702602
My god that text is soo fucking long, the word they were looking for is subjective.
""A cat is cute"" is subjective. Moral values are subjective.
There we go, two short sentences that summarise the first two paragraphs.
>On close analysis, I believe there is only one core value: in agreement with many great philosophers in history (Aristotle, Richard Taylor, Stoicism, Epicureanism, etc.), I find this to be the desire for happiness.
That's fucking weak, let me rephrase it
>I believe there is only one core value, the desire to be satisfied.
Well no fucking shit. 
>Satisfied: the act of providing what is needed or desired : the act of satisfying a need or desire
The word happy has to be substituted for the word satisfied; the word ""happy"" implies building towards a positive rather than evading or improving upon the negative.
>I may not be ""happy"" about jerking off to porn instead of fucking, but I sure am satisfied.
>I may not be ""happy"" that my sofa scratching mattress peeing cat is still alive, but I sure am satisfied.
Now I read a bit more.
>By happiness I do not mean mere momentary pleasure or joy, but an abiding contentment, a persistent, underlying sense of reverie that makes life itself worth living, in the absence of which life becomes shallow, unsatisfying, and ultimately meaningless.
Seriously bro. Lrn2Consise",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439599265
49702224,49709792,2015-08-15 00:42:37,">>49709413
>Empathy is not subjective. If I say ""dude was shot"" you will fell bad for the dude that was shot.
Ever hear of something called war? When the radio says ""Allied troops killed hundreds of Nazis and occupied their territory"" people fucking CHEERED in America.
Than in Germany they cried.
Both sides had the exact same evidence but had completely different reactions. And how about politics. We have the Leftists saying that they have empathy for the illegals that cross our boarder and the far right saying that it's destroying our country. Or how about PETA & vegatarinis which has empathy for the bacon I am cooking up while the rest of the world has no empathy what so ever for my bacon!!
Not everyone in the world has the same reaction to the same situations. They can have the exact OPPOSITE reaction. Empathy is probably the most subjective emotion of all!
inb4 people that disagree with my very specific empathy are 'evil'",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439599357
49702224,49709851,2015-08-15 00:44:28,">>49708607
It is. 
And on the top of it all, I find it so amusing how Christians can contend that we can't have morality without believing in their God or that we cannot have any rights to even put forward the Problem of Evil and Suffering or all the stuff he did in the Old Testament. 
At least without a God, we are literally free from constraints. However it depends on how this God is conceptualized I guess since there are just so many conceptions of him.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439599468
49702224,49709996,2015-08-15 00:48:34,">>49709669
Why is a total lack of morality and human empathy always such a common thing among atheists?",,Anonymous,Mao.jpg,QyaR4B3ELJKI9Z18E2RGgA==,US,,1439599714
49702224,49710206,2015-08-15 00:54:53,">>49709644
It's not even surprising when you consider that his philosophical ideas is driven by men who would discuss how many Angels can fit in a pin. I haven't seen him address your response but I feel that this is a defeater to his argument. Though to be honest I couldn't really care if he can logically show that God exists because the question then becomes ""which God"" and this is where he will have the most difficulty in answering because of the multitude of gods that can easily fit into Aquinas' First Mover argument. The Hindus already had it long before Christ was even born",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439600093
49702224,49710261,2015-08-15 00:56:36,">>49709751
It's meant to be thorough for people that are still having trouble grasping how a person could even possibly have morals without a God.
>>49709719
>But that sounds about what I'd argue towards.
Really? You would argue that there isn't even a relative truth to what is right and wrong? I recommend you read this http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>I haven't seen him address your response but I feel that this is a defeater to his argument.
I don't even remember what my response was, I wrote so many in an unpublished image. Remind me?",,Dick Dorkins,Richard_Dawkins_pic.jpg,tEGdtKAtv1fMGT0p26nd/Q==,US,,1439600196
49702224,49710289,2015-08-15 00:57:19,">>49710206
the last part was meant for you >>49710261",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439600239
49702224,49710314,2015-08-15 00:58:02,">>49709996
See image
>>49709851
The heart of Christianity is Jesus dying on the cross for your sins.
Because of that morality HAS to be objective or there are no sins. Also there HAS to be evil (we can't say there is no evil, only undesirable consequences). The religion is built on the issue of guilt. Everyone must be guilty or it falls apart.
Because of that Christians are forced to defend and beleive these points unconditionally. Faith forces you work backwards, first having the conclusion and than looking for evidence. In contrast Eastern religions are much more flexable. They can entertain or experiment with many more world views.",,OuterLimits,Communism.jpg,WGk2k8UIW3cgccZ6149zLA==,US,,1439600282
49702224,49710335,2015-08-15 00:58:29,">>49703077
Whatthefuckdoesthatevenmean.jpg",,Anonymous,,,LB,,1439600309
49702224,49710439,2015-08-15 01:01:36,">>49709299
>aether does not have to do with morality. It has to do with physics
>Aether, the substance which God's breathe according to the ancient Greeks
>has to do with physics.
>mfw
>empathy comes evolution. 
>certain genes govern it
Lol, where did you come up with that gibberish? What gene codes for empathy in your world, exactly? 
Sad to see dubs wasted on such a shit post.",,Anonymous,1407801410926.gif,Zl74lU4wMhF/7hy0EQMSTQ==,US,,1439600496
49702224,49710490,2015-08-15 01:03:37,">>49710335
It means everything you don't believe exists ACTUALLY exists.
>>49710314
>See image
You shouldn't feed trolls. They are insatiable. 
>>49710439
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins-starred-in-a-really-freaky-video-about-internet-memes.jpg,+EguSk/CAAYgc5jjwKymaw==,US,,1439600617
49702224,49710536,2015-08-15 01:05:04,">>49710261
This is one of the arguments I had in mind,
>I'm still not certain whether or not Wolfy's framework allows for things to be created from nothing. Because he thinks things can only move from something they potentially were to something they actually could be. But what is ""nothing"" a potential of? ""Nothing"" would seem to be the thing that had absolutely no potentials or actuals. 
And also the one here,
>>49709644
>>49710314
You should look up Satisfaction theories and Penal Substitutionary Atonement. 
The Orthodox can escape this due to their unique conception of sin. They even remove guilt from the equation and even make clear that human beings are still ""good"" even after the Fall though distorted. If any, Augustine's conception of the Original Sin had created the ultimate defeater for Christianity!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439600704
49702224,49710736,2015-08-15 01:11:39,">>49710490
Do you even read your sources? That wiki doesn't say anywhere that there is a specific gene for empathy. Evolving sociologically is not the same as evolving biologically. 
More proof that atheists just regurgitate talking points without thinking critically for themselves. What a joke. Lol.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439601099
49702224,49710753,2015-08-15 01:12:17,">>49710439
>mai God's berath
you are not even addressing anything I said. Greek philosophy does not say 'morality comes from God, the Gods control natural forces, they do not give meaning'.
And you are AGREEING WITH ME. Yes, the Gods control natural forces like aether which has jack shit to do with morality.
>genes
genes are what allow the brain to be constructed. Empathy is based on brain activity. Do I really need to fucking explain this to you? Did you not know this? Did you think that emotions are just put into your head by Jesus and the whole biological process has nothing to do with thinking?
>>49703077
If there was no Thor there would be no heretics.Paganism confirmed for real!
>>49710261
Honestly you should scrap the whole thing and re-write it. The other guy is write. It's terribly unconcise and the arguments are weak. When something is too wordy you don't write ANOTHER article to follow it up, you go back and fix it. And it's not even convicing. You just wrote a bunch of baseless assertions. It sounds like something a 13 year old kid would write who thinks he is hot shit for winning a debate vs a creationist.
>>49710536
Holy shit. Orthodox actually sounds like it might have a decent framework. Sometimes I'm really disappointed that I was raised Protestant, it's the most sickly type of Christianity. If I were Catholic I would have memories of nice art. If i were Orthodox it would have been even better. I'd still be an atheist no matter how I was raised but at least I could have soem good memories.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439601137
49702224,49711019,2015-08-15 01:21:15,">>49710753
>The other guy is write.
I think it is fine. I've never gotten any specific complaints about the actual content in it that I couldn't address. I'm also busy writing counter-arguments right now, expanding on the 7th points of my 7 Reasons to be an Atheist. Maybe you should work on your religious profiles paste. It is starting to become quite an embarrassment for me to keep it in the OP posts.
>>49710736
Core neural circuits that are involved in empathy and caring include the brainstem, the amygdala, hypothalamus, basal ganglia, insula and orbitofrontal cortex. All parts of the brain whose blueprints are within your genes.",,Dick Dorkins,1438551211653.jpg,lXRXiHmHGVuADRgs0xh1+Q==,US,,1439601675
49702224,49711066,2015-08-15 01:23:09,">>49710753
>you are agreeing with me
Do you say this to people in real life when you lose arguments?
You say empathy is based in genetics, therefore there should be a gene that codes for empathy. If you can't find one then you are wrong about empathy being genetic. It's that simple. Even a melon like yourself should be able to understand it
>continues to prove he knows nothing about Greek philopshy if he thinks a ether is a natural force
>has no idea what apeiron is
Do you even Anaximander? Are you always this smug about your ignorance?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439601789
49702224,49711178,2015-08-15 01:27:07,">>49711019
>has no explicit evidence of there being a certain gene that codes for empathy 
Thanks. The least you could do is have a posted a scientific journal entry which you didn't read so I could have debunked it in a few seconds. 
I mean if you demand physical proof for God, than why he hypocritical and settle for your assumptions about Which specific gene codes for empathy? Oh that's because you have no idea. I thought so.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439602027
49702224,49711205,2015-08-15 01:28:28,"Atheism general like Christian generals have no place in /pol/. It's not about politics, so fuck off.
And generals to begin with are a bad idea, not to mention the fact that they have nothing to do with politics.
>inb4 muh secularism is politics
Then make a thread about secularism specifically. 
No wonder people despise atheists, you're hypocrites. Acting like religious to the point where you're spreading your ideology everywhere.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439602108
49702224,49711245,2015-08-15 01:29:46,">>49711066
What does aether have to do with morality. You still can't fucking answer it? All this time you have been attacking my idea 'the Greek way of thinking did not need to d derive their morality from Gods' and you have not given a single point to back that up.
>empathy
Do you honestly think that empathy doesn't have to do with the human brain? The brain's entire structure is decided by genetics. We might not know what specific combination of genes are needed to make it use empathy but that doesn't mean that empathy is not part of the brain.
If empathy does not come from the brain where do you think it comes from?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439602186
49702224,49711277,2015-08-15 01:31:02,">>49711178
>Which specific gene codes for empathy
There is no specific gene that codes for empathy. There isn't even a specific gene that codes for height. 
You can read more about this here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17550343 and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Evolution
I'm not going to respond anymore because anyone with an Internet connection can go find the scientific consensus on this. I don't need to show it to you.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439602262
49702224,49711338,2015-08-15 01:33:14,">>49702224
>Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems
>Feminism
>Multiculturalism",,Anonymous,1355917032889.jpg,Y+CXQxLCcNuEsyhC9TWQFA==,AU,,1439602394
49702224,49711371,2015-08-15 01:34:14,">>49710314
Man this image has some insane doublethink invested in it. Almost all Communist Regimes have pushed atheism, outlawed religion and Marx, Stalin and Lenin said over and over that they wanted communism to be a purely atheistic ideology and considered religion the 'opiate of the masses'
And yet the guy who made this ignores all that and says ""Nuh uh, actually communism is like Catholicism!"".
Typical atheist bullshit. Man up and take responsibility for the crimes atheism has inflicted on the world, don't be a fucking Jap and deny Nanking happened because it's inconvenient to admit that yes atheism has caused more deaths than any religion has. Deflect, deflect, deflect, that's all you do",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439602454
49702224,49711425,2015-08-15 01:36:09,">>49702224
>atheists gathering together for praying",,The Kashmiri,,,IN,,1439602569
49702224,49711580,2015-08-15 01:40:34,"Should also point out that the end of the road for atheist logic is nihilism and any attempt to give subjective meaning to their lives is no different from an atheist perspective than religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndkC-vGLBw
If you're an atheist who isn't an existential nihilist then congratulations, you're no different to the religious people you turn your nose up at and are in fact indulging in the self delusion you accuse them of. Feels good, doesn't it",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439602834
49702224,49711586,2015-08-15 01:40:39,">>49711277
>There isn't even a specific gene that codes for height.
>uses vague words such as ""height""
That's because height is influences more by nutrition than genetics. And there is a gene for bone density and structure which is ""height"" in the explicit sense.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439602839
49702224,49711728,2015-08-15 01:45:24,">>49711245
I never said aether had anything to do with morality you fucking potato. Calm down with your strawman fallacy already. You said that Ancient greek philosophy had nothing to do with the supernatural, to which I pointed out the concept of Aether.
>brains structure
>same as emotion
The problem with you narrow-minded types is that you can't see the forest from the trees.
How do you know that our cognizance isn't affecting our brain structure more than our genetics are affecting our cognizance? Do you know what epigenetics is?
Atheists put the cart before the horse thinking our thoughts are entirely and purely driven by our brain structure. Kek.
>pic related - typical atheist hamplanet waifu
How bad do you want me to fuck you in the ass today? I don't use Vaseline, so I hope you brought a towel to clean up the mess.",,Anonymous,1407518063092.jpg,DriZGRAlFSFUyaF/v91rwQ==,US,,1439603124
49702224,49711752,2015-08-15 01:46:04,">>49711580
Read the OP FAQ and http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439603164
49702224,49711786,2015-08-15 01:46:47,">>49711371
The image addresses Communism's anti-religion stance. Did you read it?
>>49711338
Yeah Dorkins is kind of an idiot when it comes to philosophy. He somehow managed to find the dumbest list of value systems ever. It's all liberal ideas or fucking religion. Literally promoting religion in an atheist thread. I don't think he even know what the word 'intrinsic value' means and thinks it just means 'values'. 
I should probably start managing the generals.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439603207
49702224,49711810,2015-08-15 01:47:33,">>49711752
>read my stupid fucking pastebin because I can't answer your question directly.
Just copy and paste. You'd probably win over a lot more people if you weren't so condescending and deflective.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439603253
49702224,49711824,2015-08-15 01:48:13,">>49711425
Gotta love how Christfags try to ridicule atheists by making them out to be a fanatical religious group.
Projecting much?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439603293
49702224,49711829,2015-08-15 01:48:16,">>49711786
>Yeah Dorkins is kind of an idiot when it comes to philosophy
>idiot when it comes to philosophy
Takes one to know one, huh?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439603296
49702224,49711865,2015-08-15 01:49:04,">>49711824
>praying
>fanatical
You probably think meditation is terrorism.",,Anonymous,1405917671014.jpg,5r0MeJTtCOG8awXyqswmOQ==,US,,1439603344
49702224,49711867,2015-08-15 01:49:05,">>49711786
>He somehow managed to find the dumbest list of value systems ever
If you can find a better one please give it to me. I just want a list that is semi-comprehensive to show that atheists aren't pigeon-holed into any single philosophy.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439603345
49702224,49711895,2015-08-15 01:50:09,">>49711752
The OP doesn't refute it. It points out that you can paper over the cold truth with a fluffier subjective truth, but that doesn't hold up to atheist logic and is no different than religion. You can't say you adhere to rationality and logic then at the last step decide that the truth is too unpleasant and decide to cling to subjective meaning, if you do that how do you criticise religions? You've just chickened out and accepted that truth can be subjective.
You either accept the objective truth of nihilism or accept that all subjective truths are valid including religious ones. There is no middle ground. Show some backbone and go with your convictions instead of this wishy washy ""Uh...well I adhere to a subjective set of values and beliefs that my objective facts tell me are made up and worthless but apparently these ones are better than that other guys set of values and beliefs because of reasons""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439603409
49702224,49711928,2015-08-15 01:51:18,">>49711895
Some things are only opinions. Not everything can be objective truth. Read the first paragraph of http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439603478
49702224,49711941,2015-08-15 01:51:50,">>49711824
>>49711865
Requesting the video of an atheist getting triggered after seeing a Christian holding a sign board",,The Kashmiri,,,IN,,1439603510
49702224,49712001,2015-08-15 01:53:31,">>49711786
>It's all liberal ideas or fucking religion. Literally promoting religion in an atheist thread.
At least this guy understands. Admit to yourself you live in a cold uncaring universe with no objective meaning and that you are simply a collection of atoms that has come together for an infinitesimally small period of time only to vanish along with your memories and knowledge and that when the sun is extinguished there will be no difference between you and a person who never existed.
If you lack the balls to accept that and live by that, you're not an atheist. You're a fucking coward",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439603611
49702224,49712030,2015-08-15 01:53:58,">>49711728
This is what I typed.
>>49708138
I never once mentioned the supernatural. All this talk you have about aether does not address a single point in my discussion. The topic is about morality and you have not made a single argument addressing it.
You've made 4 posts defending how 'aether' is in any way relevant to what I am saying. Do you know what aether is? If you do you should know it has nothing to do with morality and is irrelevant to my initial point.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439603638
49702224,49712081,2015-08-15 01:55:38,">>49711941
Pretty sure that was some gay autist
>>49711580
>end of the road for atheist logic is nihilism
Of course, that's not a problem for us :^)",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1439603738
49702224,49712088,2015-08-15 01:55:55,">>49711928
So you're a coward who can't even see your own logic to it's conclusion. Fuck off with your pastebin too, smarter philosophers than you have come to the exact same conclusion and it is irrefutable.
I will make this crystal clear for you. If you cling to some kind of subjective truth to live your life by then you are no different than a Christian, a Muslim or a Buddhist. Period. End of story. You absolutely cannot claim that your subjective values have some kind of objective 'purity' that others do not if you accept that subjective values exist at all.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439603755
49702224,49712182,2015-08-15 01:58:50,">>49712001
>>49712088
Based",,The Kashmiri,,,IN,,1439603930
49702224,49712194,2015-08-15 01:59:05,">>49711941
Which one exactly?
https://youtu.be/pTliTbcmqkA
https://youtu.be/y6rCbqpq6d0
https://youtu.be/D_LNfS47V9M
https://youtu.be/V3YIIDgSkiA
>atheists have morals though...",,Anonymous,1396981051802.jpg,4CB4mb+6jDVHSh6FTp7wfQ==,US,,1439603945
49702224,49712260,2015-08-15 02:00:57,">>49712194
>[YouTube] Seattle gay pride participants viciously beat Christian street preacher
That's keeping it real
Also
>implying anyone actually has morals
isn't it past your bedtime?",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1439604057
49702224,49712320,2015-08-15 02:03:14,">>49712260
Why do all you atheists find it necessary to tripfag? Don't you know that board culture looks down upon you self-aggrandizing morons?
Or are you str8 outta plebbit?
>I don't have any morals
>so no one else does
Tripfags confirmed for all retards.",,Anonymous,402867.jpg,MIcLYdrxHLoAPmG7OyjcgQ==,US,,1439604194
49702224,49712372,2015-08-15 02:04:39,">>49712194
K E K
E
K",,The Kashmiri,,,IN,,1439604279
49702224,49712392,2015-08-15 02:05:11,">>49712194
Fucking hell that second one always cracks me up.",,Anonymous,1433412422099.jpg,jjOt1E83kVdqoUvnrqq0dQ==,AU,,1439604311
49702224,49712438,2015-08-15 02:06:18,">>49702224
>the atheists in this thread think they're all smarter than someone who holds multiple post-graduate and doctoral degrees in mathematics and philopshy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89IskZI740",,Anonymous,1413649881920.gif,oTcJXWqpLkbMOaIFj8tWdA==,US,,1439604378
49702224,49712451,2015-08-15 02:06:37,">>49712320
>Or are you str8 outta plebbit?
They are. /pol/ has had Christian Generals for years. These atheist generals only started popping up after the whole Ellen Pao fiasco and we got a shitload of reddit refugees who get triggered by religion",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439604397
49702224,49712461,2015-08-15 02:06:57,">>49712001
>objective morality from religion my ass
Dozens of different sects all arguing over the same holy book and coming to completely different ideas about what God is saying.
This is the very definition of subjective. So that 'cold lifeless universe' is also the one you live in.
As for whether or not the universe is caring....well I care about a great many things and I am part of the universe. Hence the universe is caring to a certain degree. If it helps you sleep at night just know Outerlimits cares about you <3
>>49711867
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible ways of thinking: Stoicism, Nietzsche's philosophy, Secular Humanism, Taoism, Buddhism, various forms of philosophy.
Honestly 'list of value systems' is something so broad. You could put just about any philosopher who ever lived on there.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439604417
49702224,49712524,2015-08-15 02:08:49,">>49712260
>That's keeping it real
I actually watched it and it was a weak-ass scuffly, you whiny fucks
>>49712320
Nigger, it is a trivial matter to push you or any person to the point where their animal nature fully shows itself.
More ""fucked up shit"" has been done in the name of right than in the name of not giving a fuck. Deal with it.
And the reality is, all people are liars, some can lie to themselves more convincingly than others but in the they do what they want, say what they need to to cover their ass, and deceive themselves that there is any divergence.
This is scientific fact, by the way.",,ELECTRIC,1439557258336.jpg,xeZS/1DfIHTpji66QcsvYw==,US,,1439604529
49702224,49712558,2015-08-15 02:10:13,">>49712461
>>49712524
>>49711867
>Atheists can't refute the points in this video
Top kek Fedoras.
BTFO
T
F
O",,Anonymous,1425112165879.jpg,nqWf+xMzt3uDDGko8NrBcA==,US,,1439604613
49702224,49712571,2015-08-15 02:10:33,">>49712558
Forgot video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89IskZI740",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439604633
49702224,49712615,2015-08-15 02:11:44,">>49712461
>Dozens of different sects all arguing over the same holy book and coming to completely different ideas about what God is saying
Nope. I'm Catholic. I'm quite confident I know what God is saying and that His word is law. If you want to argue about Protestant interpretations and the problems Sola Scriptura causes that's a discussion for another time.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439604704
49702224,49712631,2015-08-15 02:12:22,">>49712524
>scuffly
*scuffle
>>49712451
>They are.
Shut up you fucking retard, you have no idea what you're saying.
>>49712571
You already posted it. I'm not watching 40 minutes of some goy shill making up definitions to suit his agenda",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1439604742
49702224,49712680,2015-08-15 02:13:44,">>49712631
>Shut up you fucking retard, you have no idea what you're saying.
Redditor angry he and his cronies who jumped ship after Pao fucked their site up are getting called out for shitting up our board with their fedora tipping. That was predictable.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439604824
49702224,49712721,2015-08-15 02:14:57,">>49712631
BTFO
T
F
O
How do you know he's making definitions up if you haven't even watched it? Is 40 minutes from shitposting 18 hours a day, really going to cause you that much anxiety?
Just admit it, you are too fucking stupid to refute the points of a PhD.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439604897
49702224,49712746,2015-08-15 02:15:53,">>49712461
>Honestly 'list of value systems' is something so broad. You could put just about any philosopher who ever lived on there
I'll just leave it out then, and keep the other two wiki articles in the FAQ. One of them mentions your god's philosophy so I don't want to hear any more complaining.
>>49712558
Did you expect us to watch a 40 minute video in 20 minutes and write a response to it?
>>49712615
>Nope.
Are you actually denying that other people have different ideas about what God is saying in the bible?",,Dick Dorkins,richard-dawkins.jpg,aJkGcbTagVXOq0Fzgcxbcw==,US,,1439604953
49702224,49712816,2015-08-15 02:18:26,">>49712571
>>49712438
>ratings and comments disabled
>a smart guy agrees with us guise!!!
kek",,Anonymous,1435513349412.png,qAn2F5uf5GeByxQs4nVojQ==,US,,1439605106
49702224,49712820,2015-08-15 02:18:32,">>49712680
moot should have left old /n/ deleted, you stormtards are too obnoxious
For the record, all the racism shit was originally a joke. You faggots are the interlopers
>>49712721
>BTFO
Do you even know what that stands for?
And I know he's making up definitions because he's a philosopher and that's what they do. Also the Da Vinci quote at the beginning was retarded and false.",,ELECTRIC,1428504228586.jpg,Onl/18Y/dmfEFYH9fAL0GQ==,US,,1439605112
49702224,49712857,2015-08-15 02:20:03,">>49712615
Right now I am reading Orthodox theology and it has completely different ideas. There are even variations within Orthodoxy. Which one is correct? It's subjective opinion.
And it's not just Orthodox vs Catholic, there are disagreements within Catholicism itself. Remember Vatacin 2 when they changed a bunch of rules (ie Jews are still God's chosen people)? They didn't have an objective source for these rule changes they just voted on them and the popular vote won.
Vatican was the biggest most importaint theological decree in a century and it was all decided by fucking voting, just subjective opinions!
""My religion is objective"" is a myth.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439605203
49702224,49712871,2015-08-15 02:20:46,">>49712746
>Did you expect us to watch a 40 minute video in 20 minutes and write a response to it?
No, that's your homework for tonight. Will be waiting for responses tomorrow. In the meantime I will post that video in every AG for anyone with an open mind to view.
Have a nice day.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605246
49702224,49712899,2015-08-15 02:22:09,">>49712871
Here's your homework for tonight http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
Unless you don't have an open-mind...",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439605329
49702224,49712931,2015-08-15 02:23:03,">>49712816
The ratings and comments were disabled because internet atheist armies would shitpost and downvote the video solely because they have no argument against it. You know, kind of like how you are dismissing the entire video right now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605383
49702224,49712933,2015-08-15 02:23:04,">>49712871
It's possible you're the biggest faggot on 4chan right now.",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1439605384
49702224,49712971,2015-08-15 02:24:09,">>49712899
So you can't or won't refute this man's point against the fallacies of Darwinism? I thought so.
Kek... I already read your shitty pastebin, its nothing but supposition and conjecture.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605449
49702224,49712984,2015-08-15 02:24:35,">>49712571
Speaking of pretension...
So a mathematician/philosopher, waves off evolutionary biology. Ok I think we're done here. He's just spouting his opinions.",,Dick Dorkins,Richard-Dawkins-Evolution-Observable.jpg,3gbEaR9cARmWmxNtPyKu1A==,US,,1439605475
49702224,49713012,2015-08-15 02:25:17,">>49712746
>Are you actually denying that other people have different ideas about what God is saying in the bible?
No. I'm just saying they're wrong and that's abundantly obvious if you do 15 mins of research. The Bible is not a piece of literature up for interpretation by anyone who reads it. It is a spiritual book and you need the Holy Spirit to decipher it's true meaning. To that end the people who are most suited to unearthing that meaning are the people who devote their lives to the service of their Lord and not Joe Blow who wants to quote a single verse to justify now cleaning his dishes that day.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439605517
49702224,49713047,2015-08-15 02:26:20,">>49712984
>waves off
Come on Dick, it takes a lot of work to come up with bullshit",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1439605580
49702224,49713049,2015-08-15 02:26:21,">>49712857
>Vatican was the biggest most importaint theological decree in a century and it was all decided by fucking voting, just subjective opinions!
You're coming from the position that they're just interpreting a book on their own though. That is not the case, they are assisted by the Holy Spirit and He guides them to making the correct judgements.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439605581
49702224,49713053,2015-08-15 02:26:22,">>49712933
>being this ass ravaged
You're so buttblasted that you were blown the fuck out so heartily that your anal sphincter resembles an empty sausage casing right about now.",,Anonymous,1428972485562.jpg,Ku2g6v8iCs7BLFDq6IU78w==,US,,1439605582
49702224,49713108,2015-08-15 02:28:18,">>49713053
Wow, you actually went and googled BTFO, didn't you?",,ELECTRIC,,,US,,1439605698
49702224,49713109,2015-08-15 02:28:24,">>49712984
>waves off
How exactly? he takes up many points on how ludicrous it is mathematically for Darwinism to be true as is.
It's okay dismiss it all you want. It's because you have no argument against it. If it was bullshit and waving it off then you, a 4chan scholar, should easily be able to refute it. But you can't, that's because you are mentally inferior.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605704
49702224,49713160,2015-08-15 02:30:04,">>49712971
>Kek... I already read your shitty pastebin, its nothing but supposition and conjecture.
No specific criticisms? That's a disappointment.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439605804
49702224,49713164,2015-08-15 02:30:12,">>49712931
Something interesting to note. In all my time on youtube I have never once seen a popular atheist video with disabled ratings and comments, yet I see it all the time with religious videos.
From what I've seen Belinski just equivalently vomits out the same creationist arguments that have been debunked a million times.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605812
49702224,49713215,2015-08-15 02:31:56,">>49713164
>From what I've seen Belinski just equivalently vomits out the same creationist arguments that have been debunked a million times.
>doesn't take up a specific point in the video
>instead gives a vague, stand-offish response
BTFO
T
F
O",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605916
49702224,49713220,2015-08-15 02:32:02,">>49713164
Oh yeah, and the guy isn't even a biologist, so the 
>HE HAZ TEH PHD GUYZ
argument is even more laughable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605922
49702224,49713243,2015-08-15 02:32:44,">>49713160
Okay, I'll humor you. I answer on of your points - you can choose, and then you have to answer one of Dr. Berlinski's points. Which one is it, fedora?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439605964
49702224,49713305,2015-08-15 02:34:56,">>49713220
He's a post-doctoral fellow in molecular biology at Columbia U. Are you really this stupid and lazy that you can't even take the time to look up the man or watch the first 5 seconds of the video?
>being this devastated that you have to resort to ad hominems
Kek, truly the signs of a defeated man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439606096
49702224,49713367,2015-08-15 02:36:59,">>49713243
Answer this one
>2. The Religious Landscape is Confused and Mundane
It was too long for the list so I put the rest of it here http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439606219
49702224,49713494,2015-08-15 02:40:37,">>49713367
What the fuck you faggot. You expect me to read all that shit and refute every single point? I said one. I'm not even forcing you to watch the whole fucking video.
Wow you atheists really have no empathy.
If you don't pick a specific thesis, I'll just pick your first point from #2",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439606437
49702224,49713609,2015-08-15 02:44:37,">>49713305
He was a research assistant. He himself wasn't actually specialized in biology.
And I'm pretty sure being so insecure that you have to declare victory with every post is a bigger sign of a ""defeated man.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439606677
49702224,49713648,2015-08-15 02:46:04,">>49713367
First of metaphysics and nature are mutually exclusive. The logos of nature is psychical. Meta means above, or connotatively in this etymological context, outside of.
Secondly - You don't seem to understand the concept of free will, nor do you comprehend the historical sense in a biblical context of God in the postdiluvian period. i.e God isn't doing anything other than sitting back and watching humanity play itself out. ( he rested on the 7th day)
Thirdly - All those points in #2 are supposition, they are your subjective beliefs without any objective evidence. Which would in turn make you a hypocrite, since you apply different standards to others than you do to yourself.
Anything else, fedora?",,Anonymous,1427389082240-1.jpg,UyqaahjHYAXDFiOKnYbbwQ==,US,,1439606764
49702224,49713709,2015-08-15 02:47:47,Im an atheist but I dont think its impossible for there to be a god or gods.,,Anonymous,,,FI,,1439606867
49702224,49713776,2015-08-15 02:50:44,">>49713609
>He was a research assistant. He himself wasn't actually specialized in biology.
>appeal to authority logical fallacy
Are you really this smug of a pedant? Of course he must not have known anything about biology, not like these atheist 5chin scholars. That's why Columbia U let him use their multi-million dollar facility and used up resources to accommodate him
I'm sure if you go and show any respectable Uni your posts in this thread they will drop every affirmative action negro to get you in and start doing that fetal tissue research, baby!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607044
49702224,49713800,2015-08-15 02:51:22,">>49713648
>postdiluvian
You think Noah's flood actually happened?
>Thirdly - All those points in #2 are supposition, they are your subjective beliefs without any objective evidence.
You mean like the evidence I delve into here? http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439607082
49702224,49713811,2015-08-15 02:51:40,">>49713709
That would technically make you an agnostic 
>inb4 fedoras cry about their revisionist definitions
Which makes you a bro in my book.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607100
49702224,49713917,2015-08-15 02:55:11,">>49713800
>http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2
>quotes out of context
>evidence
Kek.
Why are you avoiding my point about free will and creating a strawman fallacy about Noah's ark? Forget about the flood and how it can be explained through the ending of the ice-age & how the earth slowly warming up caused glaciers to melt off, and the run-off caused the rivers and estuaries of the different river banks to flood, but instead focus on my point about free-will and that's the reason God doesn't intervene to bring to this earth your version of what you think morality should be.
>Free will, atheists don't get it ITT",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607311
49702224,49713921,2015-08-15 02:55:18,">>49713049
If they all the bishops that voted where assisted by the same holy spirit why did they all vote differently?
Why did they invite Jews, Protestants, and fucking atheists to come to Vatican 2 to give their opinions about the things that would be voted on?
This is not divinly inspired works, it's fucking voting, subjective opinion about what the new laws should be. In the past the Catholics beleived the Jews were not God's chosen people, were responsible for killing Christ, and that Protestants were heratics. Vatacin changed all of that, the Jews are now Chosen, not Christ's killers, and the Protestants are not heretics. Because of a fucking ballot box!
>>49713709
What do you mean by Gods? If an alien came and created our solar system, rigged evolution to humans would that be a 'God'? Would a God in your definition just be a very powerful being that has natural powers or could they do unnatural things (magic, miracles, break the laws of physics etc)",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439607318
49702224,49713982,2015-08-15 02:57:13,">>49713921
Hey Outer, how come a psuedo-sophist like yourself can't answer any of the points in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89IskZI740
Is it because you are intellectually bankrupt?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607433
49702224,49714072,2015-08-15 03:00:25,">>49713367
Anyway I answered your question. We can continue this conversation tomorrow. That should give your butthole plenty of time to prepare for the glorious reaming it shall receive once I'm done fisting you with logic and reason.
It'll also give you time to prepare a better epistemological attack on religion that isn't just ""muh feels"" pastebin.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607625
49702224,49714124,2015-08-15 03:02:15,">>49713921
>What do you mean by Gods?
I'm mainly talking about an intelligent creator of the universe.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1439607735
49702224,49714171,2015-08-15 03:03:37,">>49713917
>>quotes out of context
Explain how their context changes their meaning. 
>>evidence
Read the other points I made.
>Forget about the flood and how it can be explained through the ending of the ice-age
Citation needed
>focus on my point about free-will
I deal with the free will argument here. http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0",,Dick Dorkins,lips.png,q3j1gXiiBJTU0m1MBOMqqg==,US,,1439607817
49702224,49714214,2015-08-15 03:05:00,">>49713982
So I watched a bit of the video.
>the fossil record can't sustain darwinian predictions
>what is the tiktaalik
lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607900
49702224,49714265,2015-08-15 03:06:39,">>49714214
Where does it say this? You are obfuscating what he said.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439607999
49702224,49714305,2015-08-15 03:08:24,">>49713982
I'm not going to watch a 40 minute video on boring crap. If you've got something you want to actually discuss say it to me.
>>49714124
So something like Deism? Where the universe did have a helping hand but whatever it is hasn't revealed itself and doesn't interfere with humans?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439608104
49702224,49714330,2015-08-15 03:09:24,">>49714265
He just said that we can't make much sense of the fossil record(demonstrably false) and that we can't make any predictions on it with Darwinian theory(again false, with the example I cited in the Tiktallaik)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608164
49702224,49714399,2015-08-15 03:11:32,">>49714171
>How does context change meaning
Are you really this fucking stupid? If you take things out of context you can manipulate them to fit a narrative. Even someone with lukewarm IQ should know this.
>I deal with free will here
I read that. It is so disjointed and incoherent. What is the point you are trying to make exactly?
>read the other points I made
If you're not going to point them out to me then I have to assume your vagueness is a poor effort to try and hide your inability to respond",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608292
49702224,49714419,2015-08-15 03:12:16,">>49714330
Post the minutes where he said this. I don't remember hearing those exact words, but then again I was posting on here while I was listening, so I could have missed it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608336
49702224,49714473,2015-08-15 03:14:05,">>49714399
>Even someone with lukewarm IQ should know this.
Well, then you should have no problem showing my how I've changed their meaning.
>What is the point you are trying to make exactly?
I state in the first sentence of both arguments the point I'm refuting.
>If you're not going to point them out to me then I have to assume your vagueness is a poor effort to try and hide your inability to respond
You wanted ""evidence"". I'm just showing you what I wrote. You can choose to ignore it and say I didn't present evidence if you want.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439608445
49702224,49714516,2015-08-15 03:15:24,">>49714419
See 4:45 It's literally one of the first things he talks about.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608524
49702224,49714530,2015-08-15 03:15:46,">>49714305
Okay, if you want to be crass and dismissive, thats up to you. See its free will. No one can make you a cordial, and likable person, except yourself and you choose to do otherwise. But if you want to learn and have your thoughts challenged I suggest you watch the video. If 'knowledge' that doesn't fit into your world view is 'boring' to you, well then that kind of makes you equitable to a fundie.
By you not refuting Dr Berlinksi's well thought out discourse on the Darwinism fallacy then that just means that many more converts since there is no rebuttal against his interview to convince people on the fence to accept the fairy tale of Darwinism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608546
49702224,49714554,2015-08-15 03:17:08,">>49714473
You're not showing anything. You are being vague. Saying ""well if you read what I said earlier"", isn't explicit at all.
How can I answer you if you won't be specific?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608628
49702224,49714563,2015-08-15 03:17:37,">>49703581
>why should we believe anything that anyone says
You shouldn't, you should only believe things demonstrated by experiments and empirical evidence.
Of course in practice this quickly becomes unfeasible, so as a pragmatic approach you reach for a chain of trust and assumes some people are more likely to say things inline with reality than others (i.e experts in their field of research).",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439608657
49702224,49714612,2015-08-15 03:19:56,">>49714530
>cordial, and likable person
this coming from
>BTFO BTFO 
>le fedora XD
>",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439608796
49702224,49714675,2015-08-15 03:22:32,">>49704023
X => Y does not necessarily imply Y => X",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439608952
49702224,49714701,2015-08-15 03:23:28,">>49714305
>So something like Deism? Where the universe did have a helping hand but whatever it is hasn't revealed itself and doesn't interfere with humans?
Not really.
I dont deny the idea of a possible creator of the universe who still interacts with the universe.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1439609008
49702224,49714731,2015-08-15 03:24:51,">>49714516
Once again, you are taking things out of context.
He's referring to the parts of the fossil record that have no basis in Darwinian theory of natural selection such as the Cambrian explosion, in which a large number of animal phyla appeared, and such an event has never been repeated as far as we know, which totally debunks the fact that all evolution is based on natural selection since out of nowhere all these advanced organisms appeared when before in the fossil records everything was a simple organism. He's saying the random variations needed to make those changes in such a short period of time go against the other fossil records and the probability of mathematics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439609091
49702224,49714740,2015-08-15 03:25:05,">>49710536
I'm looking into this stuff now. Can you explain a little? I'm not really familiar with this type of bible analysis.
>>49714530
>Darwin was wrong
Look I really don't know a great deal about evolution. Honestly it's not even something I'm interested in. Go with that crap if you want or ask someone else, Dick Dorkins can probably handle that better than me.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439609105
49702224,49714769,2015-08-15 03:26:11,">>49714612
I never said I was. What is up with atheists and their love of strawman fallacies?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439609171
49702224,49714806,2015-08-15 03:27:59,">>49714740
>Look I really don't know a great deal about evolution
Well admitting it is a start. Then why don't you watch the video? You might learn something.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439609279
49702224,49714816,2015-08-15 03:28:17,">>49714731
No I'm not.
He said all of it, not just the Cambrian Explosion, and his statement about Darwinain theory not being able to make predictions is still wrong.
Also the CE does not contradict evolution at all.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439609297
49702224,49714867,2015-08-15 03:30:04,">>49714769
I never said you said you weren't.
What's up with christfags being giant hypocrites?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439609404
49702224,49714905,2015-08-15 03:31:34,">>49714867
>weren't
were I mean",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439609494
49702224,49715107,2015-08-15 03:40:51,">>49714816
That website is so full of shit. There first response is another fucking strawman. No one ever said the Cambrian explosion was the origin of complex life, Most people who reference it are referring to the fact that there was such a large explosion of genetic mutations that caused so many life forms to be created that it is outside of the possibility of Darwinian evolution. Which that website actually agrees on. 
>transitional fossils
>organisms that were better fitted to the environment died off somehow
>their ancestors survived
Kek. That website is so full of shit. They have no explanation of how these lopopds died out but their ancestors, and certain descendants survived. If they evolved to be better then why did they die out and not their ancestors?
And he was not referring to all of it. He was referring to the parts that don't make sense, his exact words
>""I'm not just talking about the Cambrian explosion, I'm talking about everything ELSE that DOES NOT MAKE SENSE in the fossil record""
SO obviously there's more that doesn't make sense than that one example he provided, but some small microbiological changes can be witnessed (i.e like the finch beaks from the galapagos).
Do you really find it necessary to lie to try and prove a point?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439610051
49702224,49715143,2015-08-15 03:42:12,">>49714740
>Look I really don't know a great deal about evolution.
Well, no need to stay in ignorance. It's a pretty fascinating subject and key to refuting theological arguments focused on design
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhHOjC4oxh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SCjhI86grU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwibgNGe4aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MQdXjRPHmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzxTzKIsp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdddbYILel0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W96AJ0ChboU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1HlmYeh7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnzmxeZJeho
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkakJP-jjP0pDbAPtkZqQoUMAO5hkOijf
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu7497_david-attenborough-s-first-life-part-1_tv
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kyj1f_first-life-episode-2-conquest_shortfilms
http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x3cycq_alex-gschroeder_your-inner-fish/1#video=x1nwcag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc3QIk__aJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEQc2wI-a9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnhr1MVdk64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQ0HIwpnBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02bQ0_ZzZmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNXRNeJCa6I
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lek8h_prehistoric-autopsy-episode-one-neanderthal-bbc-documentary_tech
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1leovz_prehistoric-autopsy-episode-two-homo-erectus-bbc-documentary_tech
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1leti7_prehistoric-autopsy-episode-three-lucy-bbc-documentary_tech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBRbCLI4zU",,Dick Dorkins,richard_dawkins_god_religion.jpg,IAP3kUfFE5AG8IHwZx3unQ==,US,,1439610132
49702224,49715185,2015-08-15 03:43:54,">>49715143
Why did you run away Dorkins? Hiding like a little bitch while I dismantle your fedora friends because you have no way to refute the fact that Darwinian evolution is a fallacy?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439610234
49702224,49715330,2015-08-15 03:50:24,">>49715185
>reached bump limit
It's okay, tomorrow I'll make sure to post that Dr. Berlisnki video for all those people with open minds who like to hear both sides of the argument.
Nighty night, Dicky Dork.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439610624
49702224,49715433,2015-08-15 03:54:35,">>49715107
>strawman
No you moron, it's a response to general claims made by people who tote the CE as evidence against evolution.
There was plenty of time for that life to evolve and there are possible factors which it lays out that could explain the increased variation.
>Kek. That website is so full of shit. They have no explanation of how these lopopds died out but their ancestors, and certain descendants survived. If they evolved to be better then why did they die out and not their ancestors?
I don't even know what you're talking about here. The fact that there are more or less fossils of certain types of species doesn't change the fact that the CE does not conflict with evolution.
I phrased that poorly, but that's what I mean.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439610875
49702224,49715546,2015-08-15 04:00:03,">>49715330
Why here? Post it on /sci/ or something. After all, if his criticism arguments are so air tight, then there should be no problem showing it to people who actually have a background in the things he's talking about.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439611203
49749787,49749787,2015-08-15 20:16:36,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. For more information, check out these articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439669796
49749787,49749820,2015-08-15 20:17:27,">>49749787
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *expanded*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,0890-3670-040621-15-1-1.jpg,Vw9mhefsjRXAqXXDscoI5g==,US,,1439669847
49749787,49749855,2015-08-15 20:18:20,">>49749787
https://youtu.be/Ptxo2WHEyLc",,Anonymous,1413649881920.gif,oTcJXWqpLkbMOaIFj8tWdA==,US,,1439669900
49749787,49749953,2015-08-15 20:21:10,"Outerlimits, you should put these evolution videos in the videos paste >>49715143
Also, watch the one titled ""your inner fish"". It shows tons of great evidence for evolution",,Dick Dorkins,dawkins-bonnet.jpg,C6AxAPkoQRCZUBIh35Pgqw==,US,,1439670070
49749787,49749959,2015-08-15 20:21:14,">>49749855
http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Books/3807/how-fossils-overturned-evolution/chapter/4667",,Anonymous,1414248890071.jpg,KG0lsX6FHKb+N5hX2EBEPQ==,US,,1439670074
49749787,49750034,2015-08-15 20:22:50,">>49749820
>>49749787
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/08/14/want-sustained-happiness-get-religion-study-suggests/",,Anonymous,1402959462101.jpg,SbFJmGlvgY5Qmy+9LcJRow==,US,,1439670170
49749787,49750130,2015-08-15 20:25:29,">>49749855
>>49749959
>>49750034
>Atheists are hurting muh religious feelings
>better post le memeays",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1439670329
49749787,49750147,2015-08-15 20:25:46,">>49749787
>>49749820
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyched/201205/does-autism-lead-atheism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html",,Anonymous,1429720135199.jpg,HIzP2Ei+8XCadvWG6RYDkQ==,US,,1439670346
49749787,49750232,2015-08-15 20:27:42,">>49750130
http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/peter-hitchens-why-modern-atheists-rage-against-god
>""Modern atheists are, in moral terms, children clamoring for their own desires""",,Anonymous,1432859466681.gif,QQoSl3NBCUQDTqWXcJlSSQ==,US,,1439670462
49749787,49750435,2015-08-15 20:33:09,">>49749787
>>49749820
http://witscience.org/first-scientific-proof-god-found/
http://www.everystudent.com/wires/Godreal.html
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/02/01/message-god-hidden-dna-sequence/",,Anonymous,1430253515638-0.jpg,KTBM5PSmpJAGY7F7KCMjJA==,US,,1439670789
49749787,49750536,2015-08-15 20:35:53,Do atheist clubs or organizations exists at colleges? mine doesn't have any and I am disappointed.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439670953
49749787,49750670,2015-08-15 20:39:03,">>49749787
I'm an atheist and I'm not agnostic.
There is no evidence that god exists; therefore, it is possible to know that god does not exist.
We only think in terms of agnosticism because our species has created the idea of god.
Somewhere out there is an alien species who never developed the concept of god.
It is impossible for them to be agnostic.
Being agnostic even as an atheist is almost as bad as being religious or spiritual.
You're really just pussyfooting around others' false beliefs.
Dare to be brutal in your attacks.
We are approaching a time in American history when it may be possible to reverse the trend of religion in this country.
Don't fuck it up by giving even an inch.",,Anonymous,1436584979783.gif,cBvJlk+qWZMYEt9kycyQ2g==,US,,1439671143
49749787,49750690,2015-08-15 20:39:45,">>49750536
Start one moron",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671185
49749787,49750714,2015-08-15 20:40:23,">>49749855
>>49749959
>>49750034
>>49750147
>>49750232
>>49750435
Is this a falseflag? christfags are so retarded now, that I can't tell the bait from the legit posts",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671223
49749787,49750715,2015-08-15 20:40:29,">>49750536
Student Secular Alliance comes to mind.
And this http://infidels.org/org/student.html
You may have to visit a different nearby school, go to non school events and meetings, or make your own club.",,Dick Dorkins,tumblr_n8w814vBLT1r04oimo1_500.jpg,FqAymMvwISpmRnBw3To1vg==,US,,1439671229
49749787,49750725,2015-08-15 20:40:46,">>49749787
>mfw atheists think consciousness came from rocks",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671246
49749787,49750784,2015-08-15 20:42:13,">>49750725
said no atheist ever.
consciousness came from billions of years of evolution",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671333
49749787,49750819,2015-08-15 20:43:08,">>49749787
>>49749820
>>49749787
>>49749820",,Anonymous,1425208952886.gif,2qy31WeWad+PBRHyOUAjlg==,US,,1439671388
49749787,49750842,2015-08-15 20:43:37,">>49750784
Abiogenesis is what he's talking about.
And it's complete horseshit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671417
49749787,49750859,2015-08-15 20:44:11,">>49750670
https://youtu.be/VA0OOEo0k2k
https://youtu.be/pTliTbcmqkA",,Anonymous,1407109846449.jpg,k+kFJszb8mQnt138GxckWg==,US,,1439671451
49749787,49750869,2015-08-15 20:44:18,"I have added 2 new sections to the FAQ concerning the myth of religion being objective and the myth of value coming from religion. 
>>49749953
I don't doubt evolution. It's just not something I feel like talking about because it's way too fucking easy. Anti-evolutionists are also the most disgusting types for Christians, they lie about everything. The Christians that argue for history, morality, or logic don't lie nearly as often. It's kind of fun to watch the anti-evolutionists run around honestly, good for a few laughs. I think Dawkins once said ""I don't even respect creationists enough to debate them"" which is sort of how I feel. If they had any real arguments they would go the /sci/ board, but they don't.
Please update your copy paste to include the image album which is listed in our Overbin.
>>49749959
In modern cosmology the universe did exist before the big bang. The idea that 'there was nothing than everything' is actually creationism.",,OuterLimits,1410834063482.jpg,QpHvwi1x1W+7hQEbJaWo9Q==,US,,1439671458
49749787,49750979,2015-08-15 20:47:06,">>49749787
Atheism fails to provide a framework through which morality may exist.",,Anonymous,StraightOuttaSomewhere.jpg,UwgBDA9TkYv8MQVmamtyxg==,AU,,1439671626
49749787,49751000,2015-08-15 20:47:34,">>49750670
>There is no evidence that god exists; therefore, it is possible to know that god does not exist.
Right. Just like how we knew platypi didn't exist before we had evidence of them. 
>>49750714
It's real, he was in my thread yesterday too. 
>>49750725
Consciousness comes from your brain, but you already knew that 
>>49750842
https://youtu.be/mRzxTzKIsp8
>>49750869
I'll update it now. But please add those videos. I've debated evolution with even WOLFSHIEM before. The Christian understanding is either nonexistent or wrong",,Dick Dorkins,3009BK2.jpg,QtL/T+Mu2oKpUCRBGsUFTQ==,US,,1439671654
49749787,49751052,2015-08-15 20:48:48,">your parents lie to you
>you lie to your parents
>you lie to your spouse
>your spouse lies to you
>you lie to your government
>your government lies to you
>you lie to your children
>your children lie to you
>you lie to strangers
>strangers lie to you
>you lie to yourself
>your entire existence as a human clearly shows you that we are little more than a bunch of dishonest lying motherfuckers
And yet you believe a bunch of unknown desert Jews told the truth about the existence of a ""god"", and his supposed son, thousands of years ago, and people haven't lied about it ever since...",,Anonymous,I am Batman.jpg,JbeFkQizMOoucA63hqzYHw==,US,,1439671728
49749787,49751117,2015-08-15 20:50:27,">>49749787
Repeat after me:
> I am agnostic about the existence or non-existence of deities. 
What's wrong with this?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439671827
49749787,49751140,2015-08-15 20:50:58,">>49751000
>Consciousness comes from your brain, but you already knew that
This is why I love atheists. In order to be consistent in their beliefs they must reject the notion of immaterial consciousness. But that leaves them with only the chemical reactions in their brains dictating their actions, ie. no free will whatsoever. You were not even free to choose to be an atheist. It really is comical.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671858
49749787,49751146,2015-08-15 20:51:06,">>49750979
What's your point? It isn't claiming to have a canned moral framework ready to go for your use.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671866
49749787,49751186,2015-08-15 20:52:03,"lol ""discuss being an atheist""
>hey guys let's talk about how not real god is",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439671923
49749787,49751215,2015-08-15 20:52:46,">>49751140
free will can exist with determinism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439671966
49749787,49751259,2015-08-15 20:53:50,">>49751140
It's not my fault you don't understand compatibilism.
Or maybe it is. I should write a pastebin entry about it.
>>49751186
That's addressed in the OP FAQ
>>49750979
That's addressed in the OP FAQ",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_01_1.jpg,Q2LfE8qGmN2O2ktZ52BbEw==,US,,1439672030
49749787,49751288,2015-08-15 20:54:40,">>49750670
A creator of some kind (alien perhaps?) is a valid idea with no evidense. Any attempt to define the creator is met by Russell's teapot, it is up to the one making the claim. Otherwise I can claim anything I want (tea pot in space, robot computer brains on the moon) and you can't disprove it
>>49750842
Abio genesis can already partially be done in labs. This is crap that you should know if you are in highschool. But you must have been sick that day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTCoKlB0s4Y
Abiogenesis also has nothing to do with rocks. It has to do with proteins but Creationists do not know what that is.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439672080
49749787,49751304,2015-08-15 20:55:13,">>49751215
Ok. That post had nothing to do with determinism though.
>>49751259
le butthurt atheist face",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439672113
49749787,49751331,2015-08-15 20:56:00,,,Anonymous,9876976.png,At+/cFefJsvP9qCVPi8K2g==,US,,1439672160
49749787,49751362,2015-08-15 20:56:28,">>49749953
If I was a fish why can't I breathe underwater?
Checkmate atheists.
Oh and why do I enjoy the taste of fish if that was once my own flesh?
EVOLUTION FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439672188
49749787,49751370,2015-08-15 20:56:46,,,Anonymous,1437833500086.png,YIOG6ZOi23Dfd5Fhxwa2Tw==,US,,1439672206
49749787,49751375,2015-08-15 20:56:52,">>49749953
""Your Inner Fish"" is a great film. The part about tiktallik was the most fascinating part.
>>49750979
Plenty of creationists claim that religion is the source of morality, but I disagree. If Christianity was somehow proven to be incorrect, would Christians go out and murder someone? Of course not. That's because they have empathy.
it's already explained in the pastebin, but you're not going to read that are you?",,Anon,,,US,,1439672212
49749787,49751394,2015-08-15 20:57:16,,,Anonymous,1439490834022.jpg,361yGbio6ltoyHabdpzcRg==,US,,1439672236
49749787,49751407,2015-08-15 20:57:44,">>49751140
The chemical reactions in my IS my free will Because I AM my brain. The instincts and impulses in my brain is ALSO ME. Because I AM my brain.
This is fucking simple. If 'you' isn't a 'soul' than your physical self must be 'you'
As example of how free will is true. Let's say you made a God computer that could predict the future. Than it tells me exactly what I will do. I would intentionally do the opposite of it just to troll the God computer.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439672264
49749787,49751432,2015-08-15 20:58:11,,,Anonymous,1437985227267.png,dMwmXNiTg6++VAzysssMng==,US,,1439672291
49749787,49751454,2015-08-15 20:58:41,,,Anonymous,1437962451032.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1439672321
49749787,49751477,2015-08-15 20:59:08,,,Anonymous,1438129747695.jpg,WHz/olqXtP+LrJTJkzFhrg==,US,,1439672348
49749787,49751496,2015-08-15 20:59:33,">>49751370
>>49751331
>>49751394
>>49751432
>>49751454
These are some pretty funny memes. do you have anymore for us? Because you certainly don't have an argument.",,Anon,,,US,,1439672373
49749787,49751500,2015-08-15 20:59:39,,,Anonymous,1438106400958.png,q4ua6x4Wk8B0sfa3kxuirQ==,US,,1439672379
49749787,49751535,2015-08-15 21:00:23,,,Anonymous,1437971495753.jpg,2HSaswYn8yunN1RxM7n5Fg==,US,,1439672423
49749787,49751553,2015-08-15 21:00:46,,,Anonymous,1437794717124.png,7nxYmm0AKwNzdgANPda0vA==,US,,1439672446
49749787,49751582,2015-08-15 21:01:29,,,Anonymous,1437986118871.png,qZxisI5uTaeWUbJK/dav+g==,US,,1439672489
49749787,49751605,2015-08-15 21:02:00,,,Anonymous,1437817529140.jpg,jHdrti0TJHnRQBTTINDamA==,US,,1439672520
49749787,49751620,2015-08-15 21:02:26,,,Anonymous,9876987.jpg,TdeDEjOrdbtHur78Z0EVMw==,US,,1439672546
49749787,49751632,2015-08-15 21:02:44,,,Anonymous,1437831638236.png,ZNWQF3Bw9pLS/f1YhSu+FA==,US,,1439672564
49749787,49751680,2015-08-15 21:03:50,,,Anonymous,2345424354.jpg,tGSTR0Y+TfrJpfaaKgtv0w==,US,,1439672630
49749787,49751684,2015-08-15 21:03:52,">>49751500
>Holy shit we're all 14",,Anonymous,index.jpg,vdZKoFrm+2l/4spYrwQqCQ==,US,,1439672632
49749787,49751688,2015-08-15 21:04:10,,,Anonymous,0980564456677.jpg,X9/vojorVJ+bQBrXMRdEQQ==,US,,1439672650
49749787,49751701,2015-08-15 21:04:34,,,Anonymous,1438106825639.jpg,ZEF9s9xp+hybSFluF3D7oQ==,US,,1439672674
49749787,49751721,2015-08-15 21:05:06,,,Anonymous,1438528754357.jpg,dG36X2eYigAYQCTqPoR23A==,US,,1439672706
49749787,49751738,2015-08-15 21:05:36,,,Anonymous,1437973991547.jpg,L22+kYTTQ+jYB4qquuou8Q==,US,,1439672736
49749787,49751771,2015-08-15 21:06:25,,,Anonymous,1437955559807.jpg,XNXGrDGxI6y271fDfRNCOg==,US,,1439672785
49749787,49751807,2015-08-15 21:07:16,">>49751259
>That's addressed in the OP FAQ
>>49751375
>it's already explained in the pastebin
I'm not sure whether you realise how this board works. Directing someone to a video or other source without summarising it is poor form.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439672836
49749787,49751810,2015-08-15 21:07:17,">>49749787
Unfortunatly nihilism is the only truth. Morals and ethics are just the creaton of our cultural enviroment. Luckily only a few people accept this basic truth and almost all of them ( myself included) who do try to develop their own concept of morals that they can follow.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439672837
49749787,49751812,2015-08-15 21:07:20,,,Anonymous,4562456246.jpg,2r11hTt7mL4bRtByXW6b/g==,US,,1439672840
49749787,49751835,2015-08-15 21:08:03,,,Anonymous,1437894680555.gif,TyiU89jJ1PzZwXOGQnUxrQ==,US,,1439672883
49749787,49751837,2015-08-15 21:08:08,"So the earliest books of the bible we written about 20-30 years after Jesus died. In these his ressurection is never mentioned. All of these books were made by Saul the Jew. In the 4 books he wrote he never thought it was important to mention the ressurection.
The next book written was Mark. Mark doesn't have it either. In later editions they added in the story to Mark but modern biblical scholars say the reference is a forgery and the original text did not have it. Even Christian scholars admit this.
Source
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16%3A8-20&version=NLT
So the first book to actually mention the Resurrection is Luke and John. Both were believed to be written in 85 CE. A full 65 years after Jesus's death, life spans in that time were shorter than 65 years, everyone who would have been a witness would have been dead.
In other words in the original first hand account from Saul Jesus never resurrected. It is only later others that tried to corrupt the bible by adding in a fake story.",,OuterLimits,Really bro.png,FQVu/2C0Zxm0tcuWD7IeAQ==,US,,1439672888
49749787,49751853,2015-08-15 21:08:18,,,Anonymous,1438373608491.png,8fAe+pbUAIpSdqQtG9RB2A==,US,,1439672898
49749787,49751882,2015-08-15 21:08:47,,,Anonymous,345897098.png,wi2LxKPPXizYuiXceKGoBQ==,US,,1439672927
49749787,49751897,2015-08-15 21:09:08,,,Anonymous,1437959923187.png,cUvT+Or27tWrQ0JNA4EEwA==,US,,1439672948
49749787,49751912,2015-08-15 21:09:40,,,Anonymous,1438106812521.jpg,9VXeLnw23kgM50+yROcuAw==,US,,1439672980
49749787,49751924,2015-08-15 21:09:56,,,Anonymous,1437895872186.png,w2QEyN9H6VJl5h675iKQyw==,US,,1439672996
49749787,49751936,2015-08-15 21:10:13,">Atheism General
>on /pol/
Is this some sort of God-tier bait or just straight up retardation?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439673013
49749787,49751941,2015-08-15 21:10:16,,,Anonymous,1437979090986.png,SRvTdHydn4mQ96zkmgVilw==,US,,1439673016
49749787,49751954,2015-08-15 21:10:35,,,Anonymous,1439678142446.jpg,oKYYofHZaXsbCZzkVZNDHQ==,US,,1439673035
49749787,49751957,2015-08-15 21:10:38,">>49750869
>>49750784
>>49750714
 I have an idea of an Infinitely Perfect Being (henceforth IPB). [So by the above terminology: My idea of an IPB has formal reality (i.e., the idea is a real idea) while the IPB has at least objective reality (i.e., is an object of thought)]
 Everything that is real has a cause for its being real. [universal principle of causality; known directly by the 'light of nature']
The more perfect a thing is, the more 'real' it is; therefore the more perfection in an object of an idea, the more perfection must be contained in that idea. [This is also presumably obvious by the 'light of nature.']
 My idea of God (aka, an IPB) is an idea of something that is infinitely perfect, so that idea contains in it an infinite degree of perfection. [In Descartes's language: ""My idea of God really exists because I can think of it, so it must have a cause, that cause must have formally at least as much perfection as is contained formally and objectively in its effect, the idea of God (which is 'objectively' (thought of) infinite perfection)]
 The only possible cause of my idea of God is either a) another idea of God or b) God him/herself. [The only possible cause of that which contains objectively infinite perfection is that which also contains either a) objectively infinite perfection (another idea of God), or b) formally infinite perfection (i.e. really is infinitely perfect = God)] Deduction from 19, 20, 21, and 22
(continued)",,Anonymous,1395615995595.jpg,umKoclsi+YEbvGKvKW7qkA==,US,,1439673038
49749787,49751968,2015-08-15 21:10:58,,,Anonymous,1439212337844.jpg,qhROfsUJNqFBFeALBTpypg==,US,,1439673058
49749787,49752023,2015-08-15 21:12:21,">>49751936
summer retards. based on what they've revealed about themselves, they are mostly in their teens, have autism, lack employment, and are undereducated. they are reddit refugees and worse. join me in shitposting images in this thread? i think i'm going to do it everyday until they stop their horseshit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673141
49749787,49752037,2015-08-15 21:12:41,,,Anonymous,1437833875971.jpg,Di+7Z8vVJLPpQOQIc7B7sQ==,US,,1439673161
49749787,49752049,2015-08-15 21:13:02,,,Anonymous,1439028453108.jpg,Wtnwgn43rJKIAl7jvWlucw==,US,,1439673182
49749787,49752053,2015-08-15 21:13:09,The bible is endlessy corrupted like the church the fact that Jesus ( who by the way existed he was like an early Luther) wasnt ressurected should be accepted by every Christian,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439673189
49749787,49752055,2015-08-15 21:13:14,>>49751477,,Anonymous,wonderofevolution.jpg,931XrZ/G5FPCSSj2ri7/mA==,US,,1439673194
49749787,49752059,2015-08-15 21:13:21,,,Anonymous,1437957291356.jpg,xC//ZSx9slqy11Hv7ybUzA==,US,,1439673201
49749787,49752082,2015-08-15 21:13:57,">>49751807
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
It was already linked in the first 2 posts.
>>49751957
Read FAQ
Abrahamic religion's perspective morality is no more objective than a self-made morality, in fact it's arguably LESS objective. There are many religions each with a different morality and each unable to prove that the other is right. It is subjective opinion which God has the right morality. In each religion various sects squabble over who is right, pure subjectivity. Even within a specific sect there is nothing objective. The most important thing to happen in Catholicism in a century was Vatican 2 in which dozens of new laws were made, how where these new laws decided? Did they use an objective source? No they voted on them and the most popular ones won. Within Protestantism there are endless arguments about what the Bible actually means: subjective again. Organized religions routinely have new laws or interpretations made by the current Imam or Pope. The Imam or Pope's subjective opinion that becomes law, often over-rule laws from the last guy's reign; a rulers subjective opinion.
Unless you can objectively prove which sect and which interpretation of Christianity is correct you are in a subjective world.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439673237
49749787,49752091,2015-08-15 21:14:17,">>49752055
kek thanks i'll spam this tomorrow. throw some more at me i'm adding to my collection.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673257
49749787,49752118,2015-08-15 21:14:44,,,Anonymous,1439488321029.jpg,WanAWN5sXegY7wZnU/Itwg==,US,,1439673284
49749787,49752119,2015-08-15 21:14:45,">>49752023
I figured as much.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,QGbIdN8HQYKyRUAqhc9Xog==,CA,,1439673285
49749787,49752136,2015-08-15 21:15:12,">>49751957
The option of a) would lead to an infinite regress of causes, which is impossible, b/c then the effect would never exist, but the effect (my idea of God) really does exist. [So the ultimate (or first) cause of my idea of IPB cannot be another idea of IPB.]
25. Therefore, the only possible ultimate cause of my idea of God is nothing ess than that which has formally infinite perfection, i.e. really is infinitely perfect, i.e. is God. 
26. Not only that, but the same argument applied to the existence of me, as a mind (a thinking thing) with this idea of an IPB leads by the same reasoning to the conclusion that the cause for my being can be nothing less than the IPB her/himself. 
27. I am therefore the 'product' of an infinitely perfect creator. [Deduced from all of above.]",,Anonymous,1436678679530.png,pHUP3UVocY5uVAzcye/YxQ==,US,,1439673312
49749787,49752164,2015-08-15 21:15:48,,,Anonymous,1439051979847.jpg,Q5MQXTOLagKC084Dfq5n5Q==,US,,1439673348
49749787,49752174,2015-08-15 21:16:10,,,Anonymous,1437913103997.png,ssWmi8A+M1Ljhl3f6QqB4g==,US,,1439673370
49749787,49752187,2015-08-15 21:16:28,,,Anonymous,987888.jpg,J0O9mLL/x68Wjvp3tdPWDA==,US,,1439673388
49749787,49752200,2015-08-15 21:16:47,,,Anonymous,Act-of-Contrition.jpg,CkVZE6mdkWFF9wmgHUDLcg==,US,,1439673407
49749787,49752218,2015-08-15 21:17:08,">>49752091
this is the only other one I have
Deus vult friend. Let us take this board back from the plebbitards and the cultural marxists.",,Anonymous,dawkins.jpg,aX2ERIuxfs62EOo06fDQOA==,US,,1439673428
49749787,49752220,2015-08-15 21:17:09,,,Anonymous,1439127855311.jpg,SmJfKjtYWN1T7rCJLvinRg==,US,,1439673429
49749787,49752240,2015-08-15 21:17:36,>>49752174U are really dedicated to destroy the chance of having an intelligent discussion here...,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439673456
49749787,49752250,2015-08-15 21:17:45,Too bad I'm on mobile and don't have too many pics.,,Anonymous,image.jpg,1SEfqk/DUmdTjEBS/0fsmA==,CA,,1439673465
49749787,49752252,2015-08-15 21:17:50,,,Anonymous,1438130669681.png,WNDHphI8fomifbbnqfhSvA==,US,,1439673470
49749787,49752259,2015-08-15 21:17:57,">>49752023
>they have autism
>they aren't educated
>they came from reddit
okay",,Anon,,,US,,1439673477
49749787,49752267,2015-08-15 21:18:09,,,Anonymous,1437959325841.png,Kda0X4krIHjIwXsd9XD62A==,US,,1439673489
49749787,49752277,2015-08-15 21:18:23,">>49752023
That's pretty pathetic. Don't you have anything better to do with your life? And it's a very unChristian thing ""Love your enemies"" said Jesus.",,OuterLimits,1436408209729.jpg,HwiTxFpEHVGiVnz5YCWyyA==,US,,1439673503
49749787,49752292,2015-08-15 21:18:43,,,Anonymous,1438115592554.png,jcK+PJhOcX5GQ+5JjFNEIA==,US,,1439673523
49749787,49752293,2015-08-15 21:18:42,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,L7KmLA6nRXK+GqNlY++KUg==,CA,,1439673522
49749787,49752314,2015-08-15 21:19:23,,,Anonymous,1438531292656.jpg,Cen96N9S25fZr9mF5vR4mw==,US,,1439673563
49749787,49752333,2015-08-15 21:19:42,,,Anonymous,1437906841553.jpg,x090canDcFZqPJstUJBJfw==,US,,1439673582
49749787,49752342,2015-08-15 21:19:51,">make atheism thread
>all you talk about is Christianity
I'll go make a string theory thread where all I talk about is loop quantum field theory",,Anonymous,1421280975523.jpg,vZvAh/u9p8p8Pon2OB/ODA==,SE,,1439673591
49749787,49752347,2015-08-15 21:19:59,,,Anonymous,90876-98890.png,zTCoftaNVSpUZQZ6uOzLMQ==,US,,1439673599
49749787,49752366,2015-08-15 21:20:31,">>49749787
Is there an official, technical, or verbose word for ""don't know don't care?""",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439673631
49749787,49752391,2015-08-15 21:21:09,">>49752082
A Reasoned Response to Atheism: Atheism's greatest weakness lies in the fact that it is little more than mere denial. It cannot offer adequate explanations or solutions to the great mysteries of life and existence
It can not provide an adequate reason for existence: Historically, the issue of 
causality has been the greatest means 
of providing evidences for God's existence, that for every effect we observe there must be an adequate and antecedent cause(God). This is typically argued in four areas:
COSMOLOGY
-
Since the universe exists, it must have had an adequate cause;thus, an extra, intelligent First Cause exists, i.e., an all powerful, transcendent Creator (Gen. 1:1). To reject this notion, the atheist is forced into one of three options:
1)The universe created itself. But this is absurd, because the universe would have had to exist before it was created (exist and not exist at the same time)!
2)The universe came from nothing.
But this is irrational, because an effect cannot be greater than its cause, and it violates the First Law of Thermodynamics (conservation of matter and energy)
3) The universe itself is eternal
. But this contradicts observable entropy that the universe is ""running down"" (Second Law of Thermodynamics) and so must have had a beginning, because if it was eternal, it",,Anonymous,1399109059317.png,PpseMl007gI6DmnRnWJy4w==,US,,1439673669
49749787,49752395,2015-08-15 21:21:11,">>49749855
>>49749959
>>49750034
>>49750147
>>49750232
>>49750435
>>49750725
>>49750819
>>49751331
>>49751370
>>49751432
>>49751454
>>49751477
>>49751500
>>49751535
>>49751582
>>49751605
>>49751620
>>49751632
>>49751680
>>49751701
>>49751688
>>49751738
>>49751835
>>49751853
>>49751882
>>49751897
>>49751912
>>49751924
>>49751941
>>49751954
>>49752037
>>49752059
>>49752055
>>49752164
>>49752174
>>49752187
>>49752200
>>49752220
>>49752252
>>49752292
>>49752314
>>49752333
>>49752347
>s-sure showed them",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673671
49749787,49752413,2015-08-15 21:21:29,">>49752366
Apatheism",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439673689
49749787,49752415,2015-08-15 21:21:30,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,EyzQg6gUK9U9Mar9ISb7JQ==,CA,,1439673690
49749787,49752417,2015-08-15 21:21:32,">>49752342
It's truly amazing how fucked up and childish they are. Hurr let's collect resources that are full of factual errors so that we can feel insulated in our little atheist group on the internet. Fucking pathetic. Good thing atheists don't reproduce",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673692
49749787,49752430,2015-08-15 21:21:54,">>49752366
well thats the definition of being agnostic...",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439673714
49749787,49752438,2015-08-15 21:22:07,">>49752277
That's so ironic, tripfag.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673727
49749787,49752446,2015-08-15 21:22:13,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,5t94EWkLff/b/kJqsbN/yw==,CA,,1439673733
49749787,49752457,2015-08-15 21:22:32,">>49752023
The two tripfags that keep making these threads are more than atheists.
They're anti-theists.
They like to go into Christian threads and talk about how much they don't believe in it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673752
49749787,49752464,2015-08-15 21:22:40,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,ncfNDN8gJbkC08bD+fRSHw==,CA,,1439673760
49749787,49752465,2015-08-15 21:22:41,,,Anonymous,1438523413910.jpg,ZoBCYmMz2gmWCugXPgJ3HQ==,US,,1439673761
49749787,49752470,2015-08-15 21:22:54,">>49752430
No it isn't I'll fucking cut you",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439673774
49749787,49752473,2015-08-15 21:23:06,">>49752023
>Spend hours posting reddit memes and cartoon characters
>Say others have autism",,Anonymous,1429989033749.gif,gPdiOr9T3Vlt0uzWE/zCag==,GB,,1439673786
49749787,49752477,2015-08-15 21:23:11,,,Anonymous,1438399994161.jpg,vwD8rbuO6I0P/T8f0lrFNA==,US,,1439673791
49749787,49752484,2015-08-15 21:23:28,">>49752417
>what is hypocrisy?",,Anon,,,US,,1439673808
49749787,49752485,2015-08-15 21:23:28,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,uuTfhPU17tJbWjbuQExTAQ==,CA,,1439673808
49749787,49752492,2015-08-15 21:23:37,,,Anonymous,1438398224043.jpg,E46FXCae6CEhBvD0gVWwag==,US,,1439673817
49749787,49752496,2015-08-15 21:23:45,">>49752391
would already have run down!
The chain of cause/effect cannot therefore be infinite but must terminate in a great First Cause which itself is eternal and uncaused (God)",,Anonymous,1429405292145.png,AQjdF0fQfxkXkM8aZJ66Iw==,US,,1439673825
49749787,49752512,2015-08-15 21:24:06,">>49752417
>full of factual errors
lmao",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439673846
49749787,49752520,2015-08-15 21:24:18,">>49751582
>earth is held in place",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439673858
49749787,49752525,2015-08-15 21:24:25,,,Anonymous,1438138015533.jpg,FK5x0Ho/xxX6ENYT84HbeA==,US,,1439673865
49749787,49752536,2015-08-15 21:24:42,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,EfVFiP1x6HpJLZayLkXsHw==,CA,,1439673882
49749787,49752561,2015-08-15 21:25:32,I love planes! Is this a plane thread? Fucking ayy,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673932
49749787,49752566,2015-08-15 21:25:38,">>49752023
Trifags are MASSIVE FAGGOTS.
We should just ignore these dumb threads from now on, soon the redditard shills from Bernie Sanders will migrate back to reddit. Here's hoping he won't get the nomination from the dems.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439673938
49749787,49752578,2015-08-15 21:26:02,,,Anonymous,1438130876458s.jpg,s4ARV/th8CtH+x5x0RRSJA==,US,,1439673962
49749787,49752607,2015-08-15 21:26:48,,,Anonymous,1438155842902.jpg,GZEVrfpJz/RYGmRindjUnQ==,US,,1439674008
49749787,49752626,2015-08-15 21:27:06,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,Ah7m4QkNeKcCZZDMgB+IOA==,CA,,1439674026
49749787,49752628,2015-08-15 21:27:10,,,Anonymous,9876090.jpg,GHbBkTYHGKJkgFfKQCUxPA==,US,,1439674030
49749787,49752642,2015-08-15 21:27:31,">>49752525
DEUS VULT",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674051
49749787,49752649,2015-08-15 21:27:37,,,Anonymous,87608970.jpg,8j5hYcY2VL5rZR+Ke0d5+Q==,US,,1439674057
49749787,49752655,2015-08-15 21:27:41,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,+fxjNUG+NMJCOLgU/oXD3A==,CA,,1439674061
49749787,49752658,2015-08-15 21:27:44,,,Anonymous,1413144093469.gif,B8ls+68gLnzhKorHQJHi/Q==,US,,1439674064
49749787,49752672,2015-08-15 21:27:59,,,Anonymous,1437975256067.png,RkPfYxFIcyC+VRp3E4KIzw==,US,,1439674079
49749787,49752678,2015-08-15 21:28:07,">>49749855
>first point
Argument from Authority
>second point (fossil records) 
Very vague doesn't really provide any argument how they aren't conclusive
>Third point
The revolution of the planets happens in years and months while evolution happens in thousands of years. Even then it's a stupid argument because, no, while we haven't observed many adaptations through genetics to nature we have observed it adaptation to artificial selection. Bias is a bias, humans just move adaptation along quicker. If nature changes to create a reproduction bias the DNA mutations aren't just going to stop because they recognize the selection is natural.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674087
49749787,49752681,2015-08-15 21:28:09,">>49752342
There's been a few good talks about Islam when an Allah Akbar comes here. When there is no hostlity we compare religions and tend to talk more about Eastern religions.
Right now it's just a bunch of angry 'warriors of God' shitposting.
>>49752391
Atheism is not about providing a reason for existence. That's philosophy you fucking idiot =/ You also did not address what I just fucking posted. That your 'reasons' for existence are even LESS objective than any one else's. Give me an actually counter arguement, or do you concede that religious meaning is indeed subjective.
And what you are talking about is not Cosmology it's pointless theology.
Also your 3rd fucking point just claimed that God cannot be eternal because he would violate thermodynamics. Now you are going to do a special pleading where you say that God is exempt from science and logic.
Not only that but you are butchering thermodynamics. The universe is a closed loop, energy passes from one source to another. Matter IS energy after all",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439674089
49749787,49752709,2015-08-15 21:28:56,>atheist prayer group,,Anonymous,1414278474897.jpg,ASiaIZ86T7ZOJMiCWyuvzA==,US,,1439674136
49749787,49752718,2015-08-15 21:29:14,,,Anonymous,1438106330223.jpg,K79K+BtUhovIzqUXABKX/w==,US,,1439674154
49749787,49752736,2015-08-15 21:29:56,">>49752681
Did someone say Allahu akbar?",,Anonymous,image.jpg,It1F+wRY7XLQSN6OMCuq2g==,CA,,1439674196
49749787,49752746,2015-08-15 21:30:15,hey atheists real quality thread guys. great discussion queermos.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674215
49749787,49752749,2015-08-15 21:30:17,">>49752678
>Argument from Authority
>Didn't actually watch the video - has no rebuttal and doesn't know what argument from authority is.",,Anonymous,1432774068071.png,R1YVQ/XbD+hdJwTiO6LuDw==,US,,1439674217
49749787,49752774,2015-08-15 21:31:00,Aquinas's Five Ways Still Work,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674260
49749787,49752780,2015-08-15 21:31:04,"Yum, beef patties.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,RTaCmGjjbQGQF9Is6J7dFQ==,CA,,1439674264
49749787,49752794,2015-08-15 21:31:34,History does not dispute but in fact corroborates the New Testament,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674294
49749787,49752795,2015-08-15 21:31:36,Mrew?,,Anonymous,image.jpg,qBLP/2v1KPDlm91ITp5AbQ==,CA,,1439674296
49749787,49752803,2015-08-15 21:31:56,">>49752678
>Very vague doesn't really provide any argument how they aren't conclusive
>has dozens of examples, one of them
>dragonfly from 400 million years exact same as today
>evolved
Just admit you're too stupid to have a response.",,Anonymous,1395591142597.png,6TDa9kfUr9fg0b7V9LymSQ==,US,,1439674316
49749787,49752815,2015-08-15 21:32:09,Atheism is a religion and everyone sees it that way but atheists,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674329
49749787,49752819,2015-08-15 21:32:13,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,ES9tm5KjfoDlJ/z3L456ug==,CA,,1439674333
49749787,49752821,2015-08-15 21:32:20,">>49752473
So true. Not sure what they hope to accomplish but make Christians look like /b/-tier children. I'll just make another thread if this one hits bump limit. And keep reporting spam, it breaks rule 10 of 4chan.
> the atheist is forced into one of three options:
You forgot the 4th option, ""I don't know and neither do you. Hence why neither of us have a Nobel in physics for making the discovery.""",,Dick Dorkins,RichardDawkins_1895745c.jpg,hV9aSHIfeEJx3IZxrRMrdQ==,US,,1439674340
49749787,49752836,2015-08-15 21:32:48,"Atheism is linked to autism and others who cannot function with full brains, i.e., retards",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674368
49749787,49752843,2015-08-15 21:32:58,">>49752821
bottom part was meant for >>49752391",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439674378
49749787,49752851,2015-08-15 21:33:03,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,UWD5Z1ixAIyxnFo3Scyz1w==,CA,,1439674383
49749787,49752862,2015-08-15 21:33:25,Atheists do not have sex and die earlier than theists,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674405
49749787,49752867,2015-08-15 21:33:40,">>49752681
>Also your 3rd fucking point just claimed that God cannot be eternal because he would violate thermodynamics
>a being that is super natural
>confied to the laws of nature
Are you really this stupid, or are you trolling? When does sophomore year at highschool start for you?",,Anonymous,1234561246471.jpg,YCW+Ky1oLq9ip8qicVd1Ig==,US,,1439674420
49749787,49752882,2015-08-15 21:34:12,Atheists are only people who hate their dads and nothing more,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674452
49749787,49752893,2015-08-15 21:34:27,Typical Athiest,,Anonymous,image.jpg,yyK4PEgRWrXr3YP/rXcUCA==,CA,,1439674467
49749787,49752898,2015-08-15 21:34:34,,,Anonymous,1437833140347.jpg,3OoVOzb9FtzWgFurtI85tA==,US,,1439674474
49749787,49752903,2015-08-15 21:34:43,">>49752821
>You forgot the 4th option, ""I don't know and neither do you. Hence why neither of us have a Nobel in physics for making the discovery.""
SO you just admitted you are arguing from ignorance.
Thanks",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674483
49749787,49752918,2015-08-15 21:35:11,Fedora meme is literally true and that's why it makes atheists so mad,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674511
49749787,49752921,2015-08-15 21:35:14,">>49752681
>>49752821
Serious question.
Why do you feel it is necessary to go into Christian threads to attempt to convert people to atheism?
Why do you care what they think?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674514
49749787,49752938,2015-08-15 21:35:33,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,J5BBki+KtYXgdoQssp8Yig==,CA,,1439674533
49749787,49752944,2015-08-15 21:35:44,Atheists have no reason to hate religion other than adolescent animosity,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674544
49749787,49752951,2015-08-15 21:36:03,">>49752681
>>49752821
>Not sure what they hope to accomplish but make Christians look like /b/-tier children
>Right now it's just a bunch of angry 'warriors of God' shitposting.
Of course. They have no coherent arguments, so spouting memes is pretty much all they can do.",,Anon,,,US,,1439674563
49749787,49752957,2015-08-15 21:36:15,">>49752867
Do you actually have a counter point to my origenal point. You've been argueing that God is the objective source of morality and you have not addressed a single point here
>>49752082
Or are you conceding that point to me?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439674575
49749787,49752978,2015-08-15 21:36:34,Atheism is the most important part of the SJW movement and cultural marxism in general,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674594
49749787,49752988,2015-08-15 21:36:45,">>49752921
The happiness of other people is offensive to them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674605
49749787,49752992,2015-08-15 21:36:51,">>49752678
> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/110189/why-darwinist-materialism-wrong
Materialist Darwinism btfo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674611
49749787,49753000,2015-08-15 21:36:55,Atheists do not belong here,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674615
49749787,49753029,2015-08-15 21:37:37,Atheists have no arguments for their position and are envious of others,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674657
49749787,49753035,2015-08-15 21:37:48,Rate my bird,,Anonymous,image.jpg,U4cVVl/BwsqUXtZYx55jVQ==,CA,,1439674668
49749787,49753045,2015-08-15 21:38:06,Fuck atheists,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674686
49749787,49753058,2015-08-15 21:38:31,">>49752988
>dubs of truth
Assburgers will do that to a person",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674711
49749787,49753059,2015-08-15 21:38:35,">>49753035
It's p. good.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674715
49749787,49753092,2015-08-15 21:39:18,Atheists recover at slower rates in hospitals and are more likely to die from serious injury,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674758
49749787,49753094,2015-08-15 21:39:20,">>49751052
The premise of your argument seems to rest upon the conclusion being truly false.
please refrain from discussion
>inb4 le he a teist for disagreement memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ElA0--JNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XIDykeZplU",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674760
49749787,49753099,2015-08-15 21:39:27,">>49753000
yes. atheists do not belong in a thread about atheism.",,Anon,,,US,,1439674767
49749787,49753101,2015-08-15 21:39:35,Pic related said he's atheist,,Anonymous,image.jpg,hwfQvLiyuJrb2guLaxo+mw==,CA,,1439674775
49749787,49753117,2015-08-15 21:39:56,Atheists rely on authors of popular polemics to justify their worldview,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674796
49749787,49753133,2015-08-15 21:40:32,">>49752903
Arguing from ignorance is saying ""We don't know what caused Y, therefore X caused it"".
I'm saying ""We don't know what caused Y"". I'm not making a claim.
>>49752921
Christianity is a meme, and its ideas are not too sacred to avoid our criticism.",,Dick Dorkins,aliens_large_grande.jpg,wnGjlBeC5DcE/U/hLUVWjw==,US,,1439674832
49749787,49753138,2015-08-15 21:40:40,Atheists are liberals,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674840
49749787,49753166,2015-08-15 21:41:10,">>49751288
no where in that entire documentary did le black science man show how life came to be",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674870
49749787,49753167,2015-08-15 21:41:11,Atheists are less likely to have sex than religious people who put restrictions on how they have sex.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674871
49749787,49753179,2015-08-15 21:41:24,">>49753099
Atheists don't belong on /pol/ in general you retard",,Anonymous,image.jpg,K/iT3Ah48JxbMnWFTeWhcA==,CA,,1439674884
49749787,49753198,2015-08-15 21:41:46,penis penis,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674906
49749787,49753214,2015-08-15 21:42:09,">>49753198
lol'd",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674929
49749787,49753216,2015-08-15 21:42:10,">>49752988
You sound really happy.
>religion",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674930
49749787,49753228,2015-08-15 21:42:27,Atheists need to take their blue pilled horseshit to a forum like reddit,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674947
49749787,49753232,2015-08-15 21:42:38,">>49752921
Have you actually seen what I talk about in Christian threads. It's the exact same fucking thing the other Christians talk about: theology, church history, morality, philosophy.
Those are topics that I like (the history part lesser so). I've even sided with Christians on a few things. I've gotten into long talks with Wolfshiem about the failures of Protestantism to provide a proper spiritual experience. For the record I do not want to convert everyone. There's a lot of types of Christians I avoid talking to completely. 
Caring what others think is an inherit part of being human. You might as well ask why I go into political discussions and try to tell people why policy x or candidate y is good.
But it's also partly about talking about things that interest me. I've actually fleshed out my own thinking thanks to being challenged and I'm actually glad to see what Orthodox Christianity has in it's theological discussions.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439674958
49749787,49753241,2015-08-15 21:42:53,">>49753179
>I don't like it, therefore they shouldn't be here
yeah, okay",,Anon,,,US,,1439674973
49749787,49753246,2015-08-15 21:42:58,">>49753198
Kek",,Anonymous,image.jpg,JJHuEkB8nmXvWZETzWDArA==,CA,,1439674978
49749787,49753256,2015-08-15 21:43:13,when did you become atheists? i became atheists for le upboats XD,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439674993
49749787,49753268,2015-08-15 21:43:36,">>49753099
Why can't you just go back to reddit, or voat or whatever, really?
We all know why you're really here....",,Anonymous,1439657709690.jpg,VzZzqsnSRhf1tyDe6+40FQ==,US,,1439675016
49749787,49753278,2015-08-15 21:43:48,">>49753133
Yes, but what do you get out of going around criticizing religion?
Why are you an anti-theist and not just an atheist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675028
49749787,49753299,2015-08-15 21:44:17,">>49753256
Ahaha me too tbh lmao smh",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439675057
49749787,49753303,2015-08-15 21:44:26,upvoat this comment if you are an le epin atheists and dont need no strong man,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675066
49749787,49753327,2015-08-15 21:45:16,">>49749787
>people are literally posting itt",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675116
49749787,49753334,2015-08-15 21:45:23,how many atheists have sucked le dick today????,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675123
49749787,49753341,2015-08-15 21:45:31,">>49753268
I don't use reddit nor do I like Bernie Sanders.",,Anon,,,US,,1439675131
49749787,49753349,2015-08-15 21:45:46,">>49753198
Gave me a hearty lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675146
49749787,49753358,2015-08-15 21:45:57,">>49753232
1. Most of the internet atheists I’ve come across are ignorant - I don’t mean they’re stupid necessarily, or that they are bad people. I don’t even mean they are uneducated in their particular field, but most of them are ignorant when it comes to religion. By this I mean they just don’t know stuff. I don’t blame them for that, I’m ignorant about rocket science, how to do a brake job on a car, the rules of cricket and micro biology and a pile of other stuff. However, religion is one of the areas I do know something about so it’s difficult arguing with people who think they know it all about religion, but don’t.
2. Most of the internet atheists are “religion blind” the way a person might be color blind - Arguing religion with this kind of atheist is like expecting a color blind person to be an art critic. Furthermore, many of them are “religion blind” but think they’re not. Tough one.
3. Arguing religion doesn’t work - This is also why I don’t argue with Protestants, Buddhists, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists and Moonies or members of the Church of the Four Square Gospel of the Sixth Revision. For a person to understand and connect with religion they have to go on an honest search themselves and really seek the answers. “Seek and you shall find” and all that. Arguments don’t really fit with that model. However, if a person–any person is an honest enquirer and wants to learn more about religion I’ll spend all the time in the world trying to point the way.
4. There are better debaters out there - Sometimes argument works for some people if they are really searching for an answer and want to have an honest discussion. I think there are many good natured atheists out there who do want to argue in an open minded and intelligent fashion. They should connect with a website like Strange Notions run by my friend Brandon Vogt. He’s set up an excellent site where people can conduct good tempered, rational conversations.",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,1430253466453.png,+nhDiNIb5X0WtC0mkqHqXg==,US,,1439675157
49749787,49753362,2015-08-15 21:45:59,,,Anonymous,image.jpg,wCMzvVCLVSgS8nxl5ao9WQ==,CA,,1439675159
49749787,49753363,2015-08-15 21:46:03,When did you realize you were le smarter than your parents fellow atheists,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675163
49749787,49753371,2015-08-15 21:46:09,">>49752681
>ReAdt
your gayness gave it away m8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675169
49749787,49753387,2015-08-15 21:46:37,atheism literally saved me from reading books that might have convinced me i was wrong,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675197
49749787,49753397,2015-08-15 21:46:54,">>49753216
Thanks. I am actually, I have a happy family and a strong sense of right and wrong which prevents me from thinking that doing harm to another person is ok.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675214
49749787,49753412,2015-08-15 21:47:15,">>49753166
It explains how proteins and fatty cells occurred naturally. These are the foundation of life. The exact jump from single celled organism to fatty cells is not fully understood.
What's funny is creationists never say 'god grabbed the fatty cells and turned them into single-celled organism'. Instead they deny evolution ever happened. We can see evolution happen within our life time if we look at bacteria. Entire new types of viruses are made within everyone's life time through viral evolution. We also have a pretty good fossil record for humans evolving from pre-human ancestors.
This image sums it up pretty well.",,OuterLimits,1413967928389.jpg,4CP+tDxzHGeAHe6Kvq7pPw==,US,,1439675235
49749787,49753439,2015-08-15 21:47:46,what if god was one of us check mate christians,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675266
49749787,49753451,2015-08-15 21:48:15,has an atheist ever convinced someone to be an atheist,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675295
49749787,49753453,2015-08-15 21:48:18,">>49753412
amino acid=/=protein",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675298
49749787,49753454,2015-08-15 21:48:18,">>49753341
You're ok in my book then. I will stay in the Christian threads and you can stay in the atheist threads.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675298
49749787,49753459,2015-08-15 21:48:26,">>49753133
You are making a claim when you say there is no prime mover. To deny a prime mover or IPB is to claim you know everything there is to know and that there is 0 possibility because of your perceived omniscient knowledge.
Exactly what you just did. Read the sticky.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675306
49749787,49753466,2015-08-15 21:48:39,">>49753412
>The exact jump from single celled organism to fatty cells is not fully understood.
That's because it's garbage.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675319
49749787,49753472,2015-08-15 21:48:49,atheists are real into the latest phil101 trends,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675329
49749787,49753491,2015-08-15 21:49:18,">>49753358
5. I’m not that convinced about the usefulness of the “arguments” for God - Sure, I know the arguments and can explain them if I need to, but the whole religious-God thing is so much larger than intellectual arguments. For me it’s a bigger adventure and a grander love affair. The arguments for the existence of God boil the whole thing down to an intellectual game and I find that unsatisfying. It’s kind of like arguing about the existence of music. I’d rather listen to the symphony and invite another person to join me.
6. Evidence? What Evidence? Very often atheists will ask for “evidence” for the existence of God, but I have never been able to ascertain from any of them what they mean by evidence. Do they want scientific evidence of the sort you produce in a laboratory? Archeological evidence? Documentary evidence? Historical evidence? Eyewitness evidence? Contemporary sociological evidence? Psychological evidence? Forensic evidence? I can provide all those kinds of evidence that points to the existence of God, but whenever one produces such evidence the atheist disputes the evidence. Interested in evidence? You tell me what kind of evidence you want and I’ll try to provide it. None have. Meh. Fuhgeddaboudit
7. I’m called to produce first hand evidence - The most astounding evidence for the existence of God is the work he does in the lives of real people. He turns them into super humans we call saints. I’m trying to get to that place in my own life and thus produce irrefutable evidence of God’s existence–proof that will convince the people who meet me and who are touched by God through my life. That’s hard work and I’m still climbing that mountain. If I ever get to that point, then my life, I hope, will be my greatest argument for the existence of God for those who have eyes to see.",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,,,US,,1439675358
49749787,49753493,2015-08-15 21:49:19,">>49753241
Try :
>its not political therefore it shouldn't be there
Back to
>>>/r/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675359
49749787,49753496,2015-08-15 21:49:25,but my le professor at junior college told me god wasnt real why do people disagree,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675365
49749787,49753511,2015-08-15 21:49:53,atheism taught me it was ok to be a communist,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675393
49749787,49753535,2015-08-15 21:50:27,atheism taught me it was okay to like things in my heiney,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675427
49749787,49753552,2015-08-15 21:50:54,">>49753412
>that image
>mfw it's the year 2015 and atheshits are still stuck at ""In the beginning there was nothing, then nothing exploded...and we don't know how or why...B-But We're Only Missing One More Puzzle Piece!
thanks for the keks",,Anonymous,1337427577098.jpg,Ec3AIVP4jUoHbHOx2/Mxpg==,US,,1439675454
49749787,49753554,2015-08-15 21:50:59,atheism taught me it was ok to feel better than others even though women dont like me,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675459
49749787,49753570,2015-08-15 21:51:26,">>49753491
9. I usually don’t believe in the God they don’t believe in - When I sometimes do get down to talking to atheists and ask what they think God is, I find that I don’t believe in that God either. So they reject a God who is the big grandaddy in the sky who gives his children stuff when they’re good and smacks them when they’re bad. Or maybe they think God is like Zeus or Thor or some such and they don’t believe in that God. Neither do I.
10. There’s often a lot of rage, vulgarity and dumb stuff you have to wade through - Why do atheists think it’s so smart to say stuff like, “Oh, you believe in talking snakes do you?” That sort of wisecrack only shows their own ignorance of ancient cultures, religious language, literature in general, symbolism, types of literary genre, human psychology etc. I certainly wouldn’t mind if they picked up on some of the absurdities, hypocrisies and idiotic things in religion, but why can’t they do a better job of it? When these “arguments” are combined with aggression, arrogance, rude behavior, vulgarity and an amazing lack of any sense of humor it makes any discussion a rather unpleasant and pointless experience.
11. My religion is precious to me I actually believe what I believe and try to live my whole life around it. It’s something that is, as I grow older, precious, fragile and dear to me. It’s like an old Chinese vase that I have inherited from my ancestors. It is easily broken, soiled and marred. I would prefer not to bring it out for people who think it’s nothing more than a piss pot to use for target practice.
12, Atheism is dull - Atheists themselves may be exciting, charming, entertaining and vivacious people. It is not the atheists I object to as much as atheism. I say it is dull because it is, at its essence, it is a negation and a denial. There can be nothing festive about it.. It is not fecund. It is a negative not a positive. It is something empty, not full.",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,1416394994350.jpg,amhGVte0BaG1ENRde/QIhQ==,US,,1439675486
49749787,49753577,2015-08-15 21:51:33,atheism taught me it was ok to be a virgin forever,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675493
49749787,49753612,2015-08-15 21:52:22,">>49753491
You've made like 4 giant walls of text about the objective truth and morality of your God and have not addressed a single counter point
>>49752082
Can you actually address any of this or do you concede that you lost that one?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439675542
49749787,49753619,2015-08-15 21:52:31,">>49753454
I've never gone in a christian thread because my knowledge about christianity is very limited. I mostly come here to discuss things with the other atheists.",,Anon,,,US,,1439675551
49749787,49753626,2015-08-15 21:52:39,atheism taught me to reject authority except when it's a liberal arts professor,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675559
49749787,49753638,2015-08-15 21:52:55,">>49753278
I enjoy engaging in conversation about interesting topics with people that disagree with me and/or know things that I don't know. We learn from each other.
>>49753459
I deny those claims because they aren't well-founded. There are flaws within those arguments that prevent me from accepting them.
>>49753552
Nothing exploded? Tell me, exactly when was there ever nothing?",,Dick Dorkins,1433205727493.jpg,om5AEkvguRu80S6R0Mcjew==,US,,1439675575
49749787,49753654,2015-08-15 21:53:23,"HEY CAN SOMEONE SCREEN CAP THE GUY POSTING THE REASONS NOT TO ARGUE WITH ATHEISTS AND POST IT ITT???
I WOULD BUT I'M BUSY WINNING AN ARGUMENT WITH ATHEISTS",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675603
49749787,49753665,2015-08-15 21:53:37,">>49752803
>implying things must evolve
>>49752749
The ""head-scratching mathematicians"" segment is textbook argument from authority
>>49752992
>Nagel rejects nearly every contention of materialist naturalism. Mind and Cosmos rejects, first, the claim that life has come to be just by the workings of the laws of physics and chemistry. As Nagel points out, this is extremely improbable, at least given current evidence
>improbably
How the hell does he know that probability. That is intellectually dishonest as it is surely unquantifiable. There are only a few relatively solid explanation for as to how life came to be what it is today and yet he knows that out all of the these and the ones that have not been proposed yet that the entire idea of coming to be through the physical world is ""improbable"". 
>intothetrash.jpg",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675617
49749787,49753673,2015-08-15 21:53:54,atheism taught me to only read books by people who agree with me,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675634
49749787,49753680,2015-08-15 21:54:05,My biggest problem with atheists is that they have a superiority complex and think they're big shit.,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439675645
49749787,49753683,2015-08-15 21:54:10,">>49753638
>I deny those claims because they aren't well-founded
If you can say in absolute terms that doesn't exist then you have no know everything. Which you obviously don't",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,,,US,,1439675650
49749787,49753698,2015-08-15 21:54:32,atheism taught me dick dickdick dick dickdick dick dickdick dick dickdick dick dickdick dick dickdick,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675672
49749787,49753707,2015-08-15 21:54:47,">>49753612
I've actually addressed all you fedoras that made counter points that weren't trolling. Or that weren't regurgitating talking points w/o even reading what I had posted.",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,,,US,,1439675687
49749787,49753729,2015-08-15 21:55:10,atheism taught me to shit myself,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675710
49749787,49753731,2015-08-15 21:55:13,">>49753626
Sorry, then, I'm just annoyed because atheists keep coming in the Christian threads. They're very disruptive. I was having a conversation with one of my Croatiabros and was outright insulted.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675713
49749787,49753742,2015-08-15 21:55:40,">>49753665
>implying things must evolve
Are you saying genes stop processing information at random? Are you really this retarded?",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,32905264.jpg,WE9tcXs+BW+f6ZHig44oMA==,US,,1439675740
49749787,49753759,2015-08-15 21:56:04,">>49750869
>The Christians that argue for history, morality, or logic don't lie nearly as often.
Their lies are just more sophisticated. One could argue they are more dangerous, since the biblical literalists or whatever can be instantly dismissed as morons.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675764
49749787,49753761,2015-08-15 21:56:08,hey atheists great thread i feel convinced seeing you all huddle around bullshit and cry to each other,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675768
49749787,49753768,2015-08-15 21:56:21,">>49750869
There are a lot of challenges to evolution. In order for it to be the case that it was in fact true that evolution did happen in the past, then it would be duly nesessary for one or two of several key pointers to be also true as well. However, this can be like trying to explain colors to a blind-man- you're just wasting your time sometimes. Anyway, back to the facts. The point of the matter which is under discussion is the fact that, in order for frogs to have evolved from fish, then it would be required that 1) the fish became able to breathe air 2) the fish became able to walk on land. In order for a fish to evlove into a FROG isn't it necessary that absolutely both 1 and 2 have to occur simultaneously? It is so improbable that both of those ""beneficial"" mutations would occur at one time that one might be willing to admit confidently that they are less than one in a million. Therefore, you also have to consider the fact that EVEN if both the 1 in a 10^6% chance of both 1 and 2 happening, how would the frogs even know what to do with the legs and the air? If you think about them, these aren't too beneficial in the first place anyways.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675781
49749787,49753805,2015-08-15 21:57:22,">>49753638
at 0:00
0:01 was the Big Bang",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675842
49749787,49753806,2015-08-15 21:57:23,">>49752957
>49752957
Why would I address your strawman fallacies? You completely made up your own arguments so you could destroy them. Talking to yourself is a sign of mental illness, btw.",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,,,US,,1439675843
49749787,49753831,2015-08-15 21:57:55,">>49753731
>>49753729
>>49753707
>>49753698
>>49753683",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675875
49749787,49753850,2015-08-15 21:58:20,">>49753680
>>49753673
>>49753665
>>49753654
>>49753638",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675900
49749787,49753857,2015-08-15 21:58:28,">>49750869
THe modern universe couldn't have existed before the big bank because of entropy and the laws of thermodynamics. Or do you just enjoy bending reality to suit your weak ass arguments?",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,,,US,,1439675908
49749787,49753868,2015-08-15 21:58:43,">>49753626
>>49753619
>>49753612
>>49753577
>>49753570
>>49753554",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675923
49749787,49753878,2015-08-15 21:59:05,">>49753552
>>49753535
>>49753511
>>49753496
>>49753493
>>49753493
>>49753493
>>49753493",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675945
49749787,49753882,2015-08-15 21:59:10,">>49753707
None of your points address what I said here.
>>49752082
Also what denomination are you?
>>49753742
So you didn't evolve? You are made from dirt like the bible says? Do you also think the earth is 6,000 years old?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439675950
49749787,49753899,2015-08-15 21:59:27,">>49753472
>>49753466
>>49753459
>>49753454
>>49753454
>>49753454
>>49753454",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675967
49749787,49753916,2015-08-15 21:59:53,">>49753882
>>49753882
>>49753882
>>49753882
>>49753882
>>49753882",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439675993
49749787,49753924,2015-08-15 22:00:08,">>49753857
>>49753857
>>49753857
>>49753857
>>49753857
>>49753857",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676008
49749787,49753932,2015-08-15 22:00:25,">>49753882
>You are made from dirt like the bible says?
Dust.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676025
49749787,49753955,2015-08-15 22:00:57,">>49753638
>I deny those claims because they aren't well-founded. There are flaws within those arguments that prevent me from accepting them.
>vague and ambiguous answers because the fedora has cut off the supply of oxygen to your cranium",,12 Reasons Not To Argue With Internet Fedoras,1427389025718-1.jpg,b6UwnQYw5DyKA0v7Xc3HMQ==,US,,1439676057
49749787,49753959,2015-08-15 22:01:01,">>49753412
You literally can not prove that it looks like or does not look like a duck.
Science cant make aesthetic judgments.
And don't atheists HAVE to be relativists?
>if its a duck to me then its a duck",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676061
49749787,49753966,2015-08-15 22:01:07,">>49753831
>>49753850
>>49753868
>>49753878
>>49753899
>>49753916
>>49753924",,Anonymous,doeirpele.png,bA4fAH8lneEqYvsooDaePQ==,US,,1439676067
49749787,49753967,2015-08-15 22:01:08,">>49753278
>>49753232
>>49753228",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676068
49749787,49753984,2015-08-15 22:01:26,">>49753742
The environment is constantly changing and organisms are constantly trying to keep up with that change. However, the environment doesn't always change at the same rate. sometimes there is little change at all.
When a species is perfectly adapted to it's environment, it's not going to evolve further until the environment starts changing again.",,Anon,,,US,,1439676086
49749787,49753987,2015-08-15 22:01:29,">>49752988
>>49752978
>>49752836
>>49752843
>>49752843
>>49752851",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676089
49749787,49754006,2015-08-15 22:01:59,">>49752736
>>49752718
>>49752709
>>49752681
>>49752681
>>49752678
>>49752672
>>49752678",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676119
49749787,49754019,2015-08-15 22:02:18,">>49753882
>Do you also think the earth is 6,000 years old?
The earth can be 9000000000 or 9000 years old without compromising a single piece of biblical doctrine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mamkl-eo9Y",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676138
49749787,49754020,2015-08-15 22:02:21,ត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រីត្រី,,Anonymous,djYPOH6.jpg,f6cEHwRPFF+fJYqbajpYBQ==,US,,1439676141
49749787,49754027,2015-08-15 22:02:29,">>49753882
>None of your points address what I said here.
>being this dismissive
How does it feel to have your asshole turned out to look like an empty suasage casing?",,Anonymous,1399719692836.jpg,Y5GHjqSJ4JKcIdr9X35AQA==,US,,1439676149
49749787,49754052,2015-08-15 22:03:08,">>49753570
>>49753554
>>49753491
>>49753491
>>49753496
>>49753511
>>49753535
>>49753535",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676188
49749787,49754080,2015-08-15 22:03:51,">>49753214
>>49753198
>>49753166
>>49753138
>>49752882
>>49752893
>>49752893
>>49752893
>>49752898",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676231
49749787,49754105,2015-08-15 22:04:26,">>49754020
>>49754019
>>49754019
>>49754019
>>4975
>>49754020
>>49754020",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676266
49749787,49754126,2015-08-15 22:04:55,">>49753454
>>49753454
>>49753454
>>49753459
>>49753459
>>49753459
>>49753466
>>49753472
>>49753472
>>49753472
>>49753466",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676295
49749787,49754136,2015-08-15 22:05:09,">>49753768
Since you do not believe in evolution do you not believe in SARS or madcow? Yes or no?
All of these are virus's that evolved from other viruses. They used to not exist, than they evolved themself into existence.
>>49753759
There are some areas where Christians do not lie very much. Their flaws in morality/logic tend to come from double think or contradictions. They kind of lie a lot on history. 
The thing about creationists is that they can not even make a single statement without lying. Look at the topic above me. How do you think he will answer. If he answers 'yes' he is no longer a creationist, if he answers 'no' than he is lying because he knows madcow is real. His only option will be to ignore the question which is exactly what he will do!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439676309
49749787,49754169,2015-08-15 22:06:18,">>49754136
>>49754136
>>49754136
>>49754136
OMG DAE THIS",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676378
49749787,49754192,2015-08-15 22:06:43,">>49750670
>>49750670
>>49750536
>>49750536
>>49750670
>>49750690
>>49750690
>>49750690
>>49750714
>>49750714",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676403
49749787,49754202,2015-08-15 22:07:02,">>49750725
>>49750725
>>49750784
>>49750819
>>49750819
>>49750819
>>49750842",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676422
49749787,49754217,2015-08-15 22:07:19,">>49753535
Christianity taught me to stick my finger in little boys' buttholes and cast magic spells and eat magic godflesh crackers.
Christianity taught me to hate Jews but then worship them at the same time because I am as dumb a goy as the Jews who made up this shit think I am.
Christianity taught me to fight human progress, but once progress is made despite me, to claim that I was for it all along and it was the will of Jesus.
Christianity taught me to wait for the magical return of a Jewish zombie demigod, and like all other Christians I'm a fool who thinks he will return in my lifetime. Even though all those other Christians were wrong before me, I just know I am right, because I'm an egotistical dumbfuck.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676439
49749787,49754232,2015-08-15 22:07:29,">>49750859
>>49750842
>>49750842
>>49750859
>>49750869
>>49750869
>>49750979
>>49750979
>>49750979
>>49751000",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676449
49749787,49754242,2015-08-15 22:07:41,">>49754136
>micro evolution
>same as speciation
>unironically this retarded",,Anonymous,1428324202857.jpg,Rr3KmPYDwTiu43IQ+8zHag==,US,,1439676461
49749787,49754255,2015-08-15 22:08:03,">>49753094
>The premise of your argument seems to rest upon the conclusion being truly false.
Absolutely.
There is no other logical conclusion.
The entire concept of a ""god"" or ""gods"" is little more than a man made fallacy created to describe what man couldn't describe himself. Everything from creation, to natural phenomenon, were all mysteries to early man, and ""gods"" were invented to explain these mysteries.
And stupid motherfuckers, to this day, STILL use that bullshit excuse, despite science and the scientific method disproving pretty much all of it wholesale.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676483
49749787,49754259,2015-08-15 22:08:08,">>49751000
>>49751000
>>49751052
>>49751117
>>49751117
>>49751140
>>49751117
>>49751052",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676488
49749787,49754265,2015-08-15 22:08:19,,,Anonymous,29.png,Sf2UadtNlwG0qVB1sTh8lQ==,US,,1439676499
49749787,49754281,2015-08-15 22:08:41,">>49754242
This.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676521
49749787,49754283,2015-08-15 22:08:41,"Why do you people care enough to make threads like this? It's a genuine question.
Why do you care about what other people think if it doesn't interfere with anything meaningful in your life or country? Religion has gimped stem cell research but there's literally nothing we can do about it. 
I'm agnostic btw.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1439676521
49749787,49754298,2015-08-15 22:09:00,">>49754027
>>49754027
>>49754027
>>49754052
>>49754052
>>49754052
>>49754080
>>49754080
>>49754080
>>49754105
>>49754105
>>49754126
>>4975
>>49754126",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676540
49749787,49754308,2015-08-15 22:09:10,">>49754027
I can post pics of this if anyone cares to see em...>>49754242",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676550
49749787,49754316,2015-08-15 22:09:23,">>49754283
Because they're not atheists.
They're anti-theists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676563
49749787,49754317,2015-08-15 22:09:23,">>49753959
This has nothing to do with aestetic judgments. It has to do with facts. You can see viruses evolve into new species of viruses within your life time.
The only possible conclusion is that either evolution really happens or every new virus ever has been a lie. The mad cow virus never happened, etc.
>>49753984
This is fucking hilarious. I don't think I've ever seen a someone this mad before on 4chan. I wonder how long he can keep it up for. What's funny is he actually helping us by making Christians look 10 year old children.
Did you know the second ever atheist general was deleted when the whole Christianity general agree'd to report the thread for 30 minutes straight?
It's the ""Religion of love""",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439676563
49749787,49754332,2015-08-15 22:09:45,">>49754255
>>49754255
DAE THIS???>>49754255
>>49754255
>>49754255
>>49754255
Seriouslty DAER>>??",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676585
49749787,49754341,2015-08-15 22:10:05,">>49754136
>Whines about not addressing his points
>doesn't address the points of others that BTFO his stupid opinion
>i.e entropy and the continuation of a universe are mutually exclusive",,Anonymous,1439631204964.jpg,PwM+HxrClni02MJRa3tUJA==,US,,1439676605
49749787,49754354,2015-08-15 22:10:22,">>49754317
>>49754317
>>49754317
>>497543>>49754317
>>49754317
7
>>49754317
OMG SERIOUSLY DAE THIS??S?>?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676622
49749787,49754373,2015-08-15 22:10:56,a 1 and a 2 and a penis,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676656
49749787,49754386,2015-08-15 22:11:16,">>49754136
idoesn't Evolution predict that humans and spiders can have a common ancestor that shares both the features of a spider and a human? However, that common acnestor would also have to have the features of all the other mammals, because the spider-human ancestor would also be the acnestor of all mammals. That gets to be pretty complex.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676676
49749787,49754392,2015-08-15 22:11:25,why was 6 afriad of aslkdjhrel;59t4idfl,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676685
49749787,49754393,2015-08-15 22:11:26,">>49754242
Here is a pretty good article on speciation if you're open-minded enough to read it http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_45
>>49754283
Answered in the OP FAQ",,Dick Dorkins,Creationist-Logic.jpg,fKyF8xC0hfOvGiDhFvnJgg==,US,,1439676686
49749787,49754412,2015-08-15 22:12:01,">>49754317
Viruses are not living organisms mate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676721
49749787,49754414,2015-08-15 22:12:04,">>49754317
why did you respond to me?",,Anon,,,US,,1439676724
49749787,49754422,2015-08-15 22:12:12,JUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUEJUEFLUELFUE,,Anonymous,1428699341785.jpg,bPShfrN6HFRMbbsglMQOcw==,US,,1439676732
49749787,49754448,2015-08-15 22:13:04,">>49754317
>This is fucking hilarious. I don't think I've ever seen a someone this mad before on 4chan
>posting Memes and with rational arguments that #rekt your rectum
>have to cry like a little bitch
Confirmed for atheist.
Pic related, Its OuterLimit",,Anonymous,1436147722419.jpg,4JRuswhrASY91Gd6EuqjsA==,US,,1439676784
49749787,49754456,2015-08-15 22:13:22,"POOP!!!!!!!
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49749787,49754473,2015-08-15 22:13:46,">>49754373
Big throbin erect penis",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676826
49749787,49754478,2015-08-15 22:13:56,">>49754386
Why don't you give an actual fucking source?
And you still seem to be skipping over the question of Viral evolution. Look pal either mad cow was a hoax by the Jews or the madcow virus evolved from another virus.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439676836
49749787,49754485,2015-08-15 22:14:12,"POOP!!!!!!!
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49749787,49754564,2015-08-15 22:16:27,">>49754393
>http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_45
>We have several plausible models of how speciation occurs — but of course, it's hard for us to get an eye-witness account of a natural speciation event since most of these events happened in the distant past. We can figure out that speciation events happened and often when they happened, but it's more difficult to figure out how they happened
>but it's more difficult to figure out how they happened
>Hurr How iz happenin guise...guise...guise...??",,Anonymous,1421044900859.jpg,O5t4TJlOuJjPgNbVn2omqw==,US,,1439676987
49749787,49754571,2015-08-15 22:16:33,">>49754448
kek",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439676993
49749787,49754574,2015-08-15 22:16:35,">>49754448
>rational arugments? See this post. Clearly Christians are intellectual giants.
>>49754456
>>49754473
Even s4s doesn't get this bad =D
Keep going boys. Once this hits 500 it means you win and atheists will never ever be on this board again (just kidding they left and made another thread).",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439676995
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POOP!",,Anonymous,1428530249370.jpg,lwZAey6WvWnxyNNESSWKDQ==,US,,1439677003
49749787,49754604,2015-08-15 22:17:21,">>49754485
That's a good point, but 
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49749787,49754610,2015-08-15 22:17:26,">>49754478
SEE
>>49754341
BTFO
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49749787,49754660,2015-08-15 22:18:26,"POOP!!!!!!!
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POOP!",,Anonymous,4216007+_d0643e384980550dcdb01b5cda5f4d7b.jpg,0GQ+OEmAVQ3NsBtc2l9New==,US,,1439677106
49749787,49754677,2015-08-15 22:19:00,">>49754478
1st of all, as far as viruses evolving, you're claiming that a virus evolved into another virus.
but back to my point, as far as ""actual"" evidence, if you think about it, the common ancestor between humans and spiders actually isn't physically possible. Just think about the number of legs it would have had. Spiders have eight legs, humans have two, so you might think the common ancestor should have had 5 legs. However, the human-spider ancestor would have t o have had the features of the common ancestor of MAMMALs, not just humans. Since humans have 2, and other mammals have 4, then the number for the mammal ancestor would be 3. The spider-human ancestor would be (8+3)/2, which is 5.5. The human-spider ancestor would have to have had 5.5 legs, which is not a possible number of legs. If you have half a leg, it's not really a leg. You can have 5 legs, you can have 6 legs, but you can't have 5.5 legs. I think this means humans and spider would not have had a common ancestor, so they are from separate lineages in a family tree. Spiders might be the brother-in-law, and humans would be the brothers",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677140
49749787,49754695,2015-08-15 22:19:20,"POOP!!!!!!!
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POOP!!!!!!",,Anonymous,1425184465652.png,GzN8efoD4hsP929J+ToAuQ==,US,,1439677160
49749787,49754710,2015-08-15 22:19:34,">>49754478
1st of all, as far as viruses evolving, you're claiming that a virus evolved into another virus.
but back to my point, as far as evidence, if you think about it, the common ancestor between humans and spiders actually isn't physically possible. Just think about the number of legs it would have had. Spiders have eight legs, humans have two, so you might think the common ancestor should have had 5 legs. However, the human-spider ancestor would have t o have had the features of the common ancestor of MAMMALs, not just humans. Since humans have 2, and other mammals have 4, then the number for the mammal ancestor would be 3. The spider-human ancestor would be (8+3)/2, which is 5.5. The human-spider ancestor would have to have had 5.5 legs, which is not a possible number of legs. If you have half a leg, it's not really a leg. You can have 5 legs, you can have 6 legs, but you can't have 5.5 legs. I think this means humans and spider would not have had a common ancestor, so they are from separate lineages in a family tree. Spiders might be the brother-in-law, and humans would be the brothers",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677174
49749787,49754711,2015-08-15 22:19:35,">>49754574
>cherry picking the obvious trolls and ignoring the well thought out arguments.",,Anonymous,2014-04-11T065305Z_3_CBREA391SXC00_RTROPTP_2_USA.jpg,36MEYqrQDc1VnVXrbvkTmg==,US,,1439677175
49749787,49754724,2015-08-15 22:19:58,"POOP!!!!!!!
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POOP!!",,Anonymous,05_smilie_hintergrundbild.jpg,YVuPB9IgGbVH4goIwrfUdg==,US,,1439677198
49749787,49754727,2015-08-15 22:20:06,">>49754660
>DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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49749787,49754745,2015-08-15 22:20:38,"POOP!!!!!!!
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>>49754727
>>49754727
>>49754727
>>49754727
>>49754727",,Anonymous,doublesguy10.jpg,Uv7CkZE9gSaNjBfixoMENw==,US,,1439677238
49749787,49754750,2015-08-15 22:20:41,">>49754724
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DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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49749787,49754816,2015-08-15 22:22:13,"POOP !!!!!!!
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WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677333
49749787,49754936,2015-08-15 22:25:31,">>49754711
Honestly I don't know who is a troll anymore. I've actually taken my tripfag off and pretended to be a creationist just to troll other people (most of the people that hated me the most were other Christians saying 'you are making us look bad). I kind of assumed that's what all creationists were, never knew that anyone actually believed that.
Look if you want to give the creationist pill you should probably start with other Christians. It's way easier to convince them than atheists and than you can have a whole army!!!
Anyway you want to help me killer GIGA NIGGA?",,OuterLimits,1376080521460.jpg,YJIC2G7wF7TkF8bkwU15EQ==,US,,1439677531
49749787,49754944,2015-08-15 22:25:42,">>49751407
>intentionally do the opposite
Except it would already know you would before you did.. Since it can predict the future
Religionfags in general, there's thousands of different changes in the bible and in Everyday life, why Would god then change the bible and the rules for life, Did he not get it right the 1600 first different examples? 
Also if god knew literally everything about eveything, he would know everything, he would know who will be faithful and not, so he would never have the need to play the scenario in reality, there is no need for any tests, as he would already know from the moment he knew everything about everything.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439677542
49749787,49755198,2015-08-15 22:31:49,">>49754944
There's a religious stance that does exactly what you said called Calvinism. The whole game was rigged from the start, before you were even born it was decided if you were going to heaven or hell. In Calvinism the only reason the universe even exists is so you can personally become aware that you are sinnful and going to hell.
Malaysia has a neat knowledge of the history of theological thinking. Once he told me everything I realized that atheism was INEVITABLE and that it was actually made by Christianity. Theologians debated their own religion for thousands of years and than they eventually realized exactly what you said (Calvinism). In other words it was the theologians them-self that proved their own ideas were bad, it just took them 2000 years to figure it out! And atheism was illegal for most of those years. They figured that their own idea made no sense but kept believing because they legally had to. Once the law was removed things started spiraling out of control.
It's kind of poetic.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439677909
49749787,49755439,2015-08-15 22:37:56,">>49751407
You are not your brain though, your brain is you.
You are dancing to your DNA, you are an organic robot.
On atheism there is no such thing as free will.
Any Atheist philosopher,scientist,mathematician will tell you this.
Does the word of the greatest among you count for nothing?
People who have devoted their lives to this study does that mean nothing to you?
Your logic is also severely flawed, chemical reactions do not equal free will even if they are yours.
Chemical reactions mean the opposite of free will. Why do we have these reactions, why the pulses, what makes them pulse, what gives that pulse purpose, not how do we think but why do we think. Science hasn't even begun to investigate that.
Existentialism is the exact opposite of an evolutionary oriented mind.
Can Evolution create unevolutionary equivalencies?
Hardmode :you cant justify yourself with yourself",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678276
49749787,49756277,2015-08-15 23:01:44,">>49755439
>You are not your brain though, your brain is you.
This breaks the law of identity
>You are dancing to your DNA, you are an organic robot.
If my organic self is myself (my brain is organic) you are saying I am dancing to my own music
>On atheism there is no such thing as free will
There's actually atheist scientists that are against determinism, which means they are for free will
>no atheists philo
Nietzsche
>does blah blah mean nothing to me
No because they are real, all real things have value
>Existentialism is the exact opposite of an evolutionary oriented mind
First of all existentialism is not exclusively atheist, it was invented by a Christian named Soren Kierkegaard (who funny enough thought that most Christians were mindless idiots)
Existentialism is about self-determination and individuality. This actually works pretty well with evolution. However evolution also works with cooperation. In evolution the only thing that matters is that the genes survive. If I have 3 children that share my genes their survivel actually means more of my own genetic material live on than if I survive. This is basically the concept of the selfish gene which is a fucking highschool freshman book and you can't seem to understand it.
Why don't you actually research philosophy if you want to talk about it. You seem to have this idea that there is 'atheist philosophy' and 'christian philosophy' and they never intersect when in fact they do all the fucking time.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439679704
49749787,49757642,2015-08-15 23:39:50,">>49754564
>misses the entire point of the article.
>more difficult =/= impossible",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439681990
49749787,49758345,2015-08-15 23:59:36,">>49755439
Oh you :)
Of course I'm not my ""brain"" but I'm dependent on it, alongside all the other organs and physical makeup of my own body for it is through the interactions between the systems that make up my physical form that the ""I"" is emergent from. I thus am not merely dancing to my DNA, I'm not even a mere ""organic robot"" for it is those very physical things that allow ""me"" to arise. It is from the totality of my parts that the ""I"", capable of reason, rationality, emotion, perception, free will...etc arise. Once these physical systems decay, so do the ""I"" whose existence is dependent upon them.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439683176
49749787,49758583,2015-08-16 00:06:22,">>49750435
The first link is literally satire.
You are actually this retarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439683582
49749787,49758762,2015-08-16 00:12:34,">>49758583
Now that I look at it again, the third link is also blatantly satirical, and the second one is just the argument from complexity, which has been refuted a million times.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439683954
49749787,49759042,2015-08-16 00:19:30,">>49750435
It's all bullcrap. 
At least they gave me a good laugh :D",,Overseas Malaysiafag,red_velvet___ice_cream_cake_by_sori00-d8qe1d8.jpg,Hu6t7QGC38gsE/BYQnzkXA==,MY,,1439684370
49749787,49759213,2015-08-16 00:25:15,">atheists make thread to troll believers
>believers troll atheists in this thread
>really nobody actually gives a shit and just uses religion to troll an imaginary opponent
daily reminder that jews invented religion",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439684715
49749787,49759288,2015-08-16 00:27:26,">>49754386
Yeah it's called an animal cell.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439684846
49749787,49759297,2015-08-16 00:27:36,">>49759213
Pretty sure the Hindus did it first.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439684856
49749787,49759309,2015-08-16 00:28:00,">>49758583
>confirmed for not reading links so has to resort to character attacks.
Kek
What exactly about is satire?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439684880
49749787,49759394,2015-08-16 00:30:48,">>49759309
Well for starters, how about the fact that the Wyoming Institute of Technology isn't even a real fucking place.",,Anonymous,1438466703550.png,Ex+6sL8lWpSgwFU+rsZ+Lw==,US,,1439685048
49749787,49759606,2015-08-16 00:36:27,">>49759394
>can't attack argument, so attacks opponent
Classical ad hominem fedora.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439685387
49749787,49759691,2015-08-16 00:39:05,">>49759606
Holy shit.
Man.
The institute where the article claims this research happened literally DOES NOT EXIST.",,Anonymous,1437662241166.png,d+N7g/h/NQj1iCsPE2xMfA==,US,,1439685545
49749787,49759860,2015-08-16 00:44:14,">>49759691
Their articles are pretty funny though.
http://witscience.org/health-spa-to-be-built-at-northern-tip-of-antarctica/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439685854
49754772,49754772,2015-08-15 22:21:13,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. For more information, check out these articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,better_news.jpg,49SnAvdl4aswLZ1oSQ2tAg==,US,,1439677273
49754772,49754795,2015-08-15 22:21:38,">>49754772
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *expanded*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Fedora-chan and Other Atheism-Related Images
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,Moj6bvK.jpg,G9cvQsZ1HV1aQ8Q+EArOog==,US,,1439677298
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49754772,49754870,2015-08-15 22:23:32,"Great thread IDEA OP but what about 
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49754772,49754892,2015-08-15 22:24:05,"YYY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
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49754772,49754900,2015-08-15 22:24:27,"AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!! POOPIES
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ń ó ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677467
49754772,49754915,2015-08-15 22:24:58,">>49754851
>>49754870
>>49754871
>>49754892
>>49754900
nicely poop'd my lad",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1439677498
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49754772,49754945,2015-08-15 22:25:45,"AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
嗯哦<我想我做了一个POOPIE:)))))))))))):::
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POOP裤子! NO尿布!那很好笑! XDDDDDD>>49754915
>>49754915
>>49754915
>>49754915
RIGHT BACK ATCHOO
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ń ó ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677545
49754772,49754950,2015-08-15 22:25:56,if you aren't atheist you're literally retarded,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677556
49754772,49754963,2015-08-15 22:26:11,">>49754851
>>49754870
>>49754871
>>49754892
>>49754900",,Anonymous,1436151217599.gif,ZMLA76dDdmbPGr8U8bZYRw==,CA,,1439677571
49754772,49754984,2015-08-15 22:26:42,">>49754772
fuck off godless faggots. SAGE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677602
49754772,49755018,2015-08-15 22:27:17,GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGOOOOOO GAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA MOMMY I MADE POOPIES!GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGOOOOOO GAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA MOMMY I MADE POOPIES!GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGOOOOOO GAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA MOMMY I MADE POOPIES!,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677637
49754772,49755025,2015-08-15 22:27:25,">>49754950
if your retarded, your literally atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677645
49754772,49755046,2015-08-15 22:28:08,">>49754892
>POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
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>嗯哦<我想我做了一个POOPIE:)))))))))))):::
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49754772,49755050,2015-08-15 22:28:12,"A few more links on speciation, don't know if anyone is still interested:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html",,Dick Dorkins,dawkins_bottle.jpg,BHaVearbf4nkOPV6hgnWlg==,US,,1439677692
49754772,49755054,2015-08-15 22:28:16,WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MOMMY I STUBBED MY TOOSIES AND MADE POOPIES HELP ME IM BABY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677696
49754772,49755062,2015-08-15 22:28:30,When did atheists become as annoying as other religions?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439677710
49754772,49755067,2015-08-15 22:28:42,">>49754950
If you are an atheist, you are exceptionally arrogant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677722
49754772,49755089,2015-08-15 22:29:14,Tell me more about this... poop,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677754
49754772,49755097,2015-08-15 22:29:24,UUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHH IM MAKING PPOPIE MOMMYIES UUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHH,,Anonymous,1406839571941.jpg,ZxehhRG+pqtWK9Bf2ZlGnA==,US,,1439677764
49754772,49755104,2015-08-15 22:29:33,>this one literal shitposter,,Anonymous,1439552390068.jpg,guKAnv8OzaEf8dDBVAnY2A==,IT,,1439677773
49754772,49755127,2015-08-15 22:30:03,">>49755067
Atheists admit that no claims can be made other than what we can prove in our short time on Earth. Arrogance is claiming you know certainty about the workings of the universe from some book written thousands of years ago.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677803
49754772,49755132,2015-08-15 22:30:09,>>49755104,,Anonymous,1377742671361.jpg,UB/E3axNJw3pL5csWKqepQ==,US,,1439677809
49754772,49755142,2015-08-15 22:30:28,">>49755050
Hey bro thanx for the link and also
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP裤子! NO尿布!那很好笑! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
AAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH M",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677828
49754772,49755150,2015-08-15 22:30:38,">>49754772
>We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know
Except you claim you do know that there is no God.
How can you be so fucking retarded?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677838
49754772,49755151,2015-08-15 22:30:39,IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677839
49754772,49755157,2015-08-15 22:30:46,">>49755127
There are plenty of atheists that affirm that there is no God.
I've had the OP of this thread say exactly that to me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677846
49754772,49755184,2015-08-15 22:31:24,">>49755127
Excellent point and also
AAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Mxiǎng wǒ zuò le yī gè POOPIE:)))))))))))) :::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Akane kù zi! NO niào bù! nà hěn hǎo xiào! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! māo fèn nèi yī, zhuàn dà qián! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
ń ó ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677884
49754772,49755211,2015-08-15 22:32:10,">>49755062
>atheism is annoying
>ignores 2/3 of the posts in this thread done by most likely non-atheist shit poster(s)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677930
49754772,49755212,2015-08-15 22:32:10,ຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບ,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677930
49754772,49755219,2015-08-15 22:32:18,"xiǎng wǒ zuò le yī gè POOPIE:)))))))))))) :::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Akane kù zi! NO niào bù! nà hěn hǎo xiào! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! māo fèn nèi yī, zhuàn dà qián! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
ń ó ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677938
49754772,49755223,2015-08-15 22:32:23,">>49755157
There's probably no god in the way humans have envisioned it with 99.99999999999999999999999% probability, so it's not too unfair to just round up for practical purposes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677943
49754772,49755227,2015-08-15 22:32:27,"POOP !!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!! POOPIES
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE有趣! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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! TEE HEE XD POOP!猫粪!耶! POOP逗我开心!开心快乐P
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嗯哦<我想我做了一个POOPIE:)))))))))))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP裤子! NO尿布!那很好笑! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE!猫粪内衣,赚大钱! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
!!!!!
POOP!",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439677947
49754772,49755252,2015-08-15 22:32:53,">>49755211
MY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677973
49754772,49755256,2015-08-15 22:32:56,"I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! 
I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! 
I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! 
I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! 
I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS! 
I WAS BORN OUT OF SATAN'S ASS!",,Anonymous,1433019822196.jpg,e3hQZrknSsfIZEPi6lJv+A==,US,,1439677976
49754772,49755261,2015-08-15 22:33:09,"xiǎng wǒ zuò le yī gè POOPIE:)))))))))))) :::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Akane kù zi! NO niào bù! nà hěn hǎo xiào! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! māo fèn nèi yī, zhuàn dà qián! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
ń ó ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439677989
49754772,49755269,2015-08-15 22:33:27,">/pol/
>mods",,Anonymous,1439094841112.jpg,O2u4JZ1BZK2riYLcYbp6ig==,US,,1439678007
49754772,49755303,2015-08-15 22:34:15,"Hey bro thanx for the link and also
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
嗯哦<我想我做了一个POOPIE:)))))))))))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP裤子! NO尿布!那很好笑! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
AAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA",,Anonymous,1402907774626.jpg,IMdO1emybMV/b6bbT60QkA==,US,,1439678055
49754772,49755323,2015-08-15 22:34:53,>every single one of these threads,,Anonymous,1392914165418.gif,psR59opEjocqbTp6MGBZvA==,US,,1439678093
49754772,49755331,2015-08-15 22:35:06,">>49755150
If you read the rest of the definition you'll notice the word ""certain"".
Absolute certainty of somethings non-existence isn't achievable. This applies to things such as unicorns, magic faeries, and gods.
>>49755269
Just keep reporting it.",,Dick Dorkins,1433205788867.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1439678106
49754772,49755339,2015-08-15 22:35:14,">>49755261
>>>
>Anonymous (ID: JogW/FLp) 08/15/15(Sat)19:33:09 No.4975
xiǎng wǒ zuò le yī gè POOPIE:)))))))))))) :::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Akane kù zi! NO niào bù! nà hěn hǎo xiào! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! māo fèn nèi yī, zhuàn dà qián! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
ń ó ",,Anonymous,1393124507058.jpg,J7OkpzR6HAdHVcQ+IOzhDQ==,US,,1439678114
49754772,49755340,2015-08-15 22:35:15,"Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678115
49754772,49755361,2015-08-15 22:35:50,"Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela and Tom met.
Angela and Tom want to play.
Angela and Tom want to jump.
Angela and Tom want to yell.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.Tom loves Canada.
Angela apenisnd Tom met.
Angela and Tom play, jump and yell.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678150
49754772,49755362,2015-08-15 22:35:53,">>49755223
Again, saying that there is a 99.99999999999999999999999% chance that God is not real, is arrogant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678153
49754772,49755366,2015-08-15 22:36:04,">>49755331
>tolerant
>reports things they don't like",,Anonymous,1400050136487.jpg,Y4qlmF/CrnsEkqVDFgYOdQ==,US,,1439678164
49754772,49755369,2015-08-15 22:36:07,"PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!! 
PLAESE DION'T RAPEORT ME!!",,Anonymous,1332022863370.jpg,Q1v5t+fMtIRRb4jbROiGkA==,US,,1439678167
49754772,49755393,2015-08-15 22:36:44,"汤姆喜欢加拿大。
安吉拉和汤姆见面。
安吉拉和汤姆想玩。
安吉拉和汤姆想跳。
安吉拉和汤姆想大喊。
安吉拉和汤姆打,跳, yell.Tom喜欢加拿大。
安吉拉和汤姆见面。
安吉拉和汤姆想玩。
安吉拉和汤姆想跳。
安吉拉和汤姆想大喊。
安吉拉和汤姆打,跳, yell.Tom喜欢加拿大。
安吉拉和汤姆见面。
安吉拉和汤姆想玩。
安吉拉和汤姆想跳。
安吉拉和汤姆想大喊。
安吉拉和汤姆打,跳, yell.Tom喜欢加拿大。
安吉拉和汤姆见面。
安吉拉和汤姆想玩。
安吉拉和汤姆想跳。
安吉拉和汤姆想大喊。
安吉拉和汤姆打,跳, yell.Tom喜欢加拿大。
安吉拉和汤姆见面。
安吉拉和汤姆想玩。
安吉拉和汤姆想跳。
安吉拉和汤姆想大喊。
安吉拉和汤姆打,跳, yell.Tom喜欢加拿大。
安吉拉和汤姆见面。
安吉拉和汤姆打,跳,大叫。",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678204
49754772,49755429,2015-08-15 22:37:40,"pɐǝɥ dood pɐǝɥ doodpɐǝɥ dood pɐǝɥ doodpɐǝɥ dood pɐǝɥ doodpɐǝɥ dood pɐǝɥ doodpɐǝɥ dood pɐǝɥ doodpɐǝɥ dood pɐǝɥ 
doooooooooooooooooooood doooooooooooooooodppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯı dooooooooooooooooooood dooood dooooooooooooood ppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯı dooooooooooooooooooooooooooood ppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞɐɯ ɯıppp: ʎɯɯoɯ ǝıdood bıq buıʞ
ɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɥɐɥɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɥɐɥɐɥɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐ
::: ((((((((((((:ǝıdood èb īʎ ǝן ònz ǒʍ buǎıx ǒʍ< ó ń
pppppppxxxxxpxpxppxpxpxpxpxppxpxpxpxpxpɥ ɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɥɐɥɐɥɐɥǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝɥ ǝǝʇ ǝǝʇ ¡uáıb àp uànɥz 'īʎ ıèu uèɟ oāɯ ¡ǝısdoo
pppppppppppppppppppppx ¡oàıx oǎɥ uěɥ àu ¡ùq oàıu ou ¡ız ùʞ ǝuɐʞɐ
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
::: ((((((((((((:ǝıdood èb īʎ ǝן ònz ǒʍ buǎıx",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678260
49754772,49755437,2015-08-15 22:37:54,">>49755362
Is it really? Again, I really don't know if there is a ""higher power"" or ""creator"" or ""divine engineer"", but what I do know is that dieties like Yahweh, Shiva, or Jupiter were created in man's imagination. They're the ones I'm saying that it's improbable they exist. What objective evidence supports them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678274
49754772,49755440,2015-08-15 22:37:56,">>49755369
>ຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້
xiǎng wǒ zuò le yī gè POOPIE:)))))))))))) ::
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MO",,Anonymous,1439686748189.jpg,WHz/olqXtP+LrJTJkzFhrg==,US,,1439678276
49754772,49755447,2015-08-15 22:38:05,"ປັນ ເຊີ່:DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
POOP HEAD POOP HEADPOOP HEAD POOP HEADPOOP HEAD POOP HEAຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678285
49754772,49755477,2015-08-15 22:38:59,"369
 >ຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະ]າຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້ເປັນ ເຊີ່ ໃຫຍ່ສະບາຍດີ ເຮັດໃຫ້
 xiǎng wǒ zuò le yī gè POOPIE:)))))))))))) ::
 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 MY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDD POOOOOOOOOOOOOOP POOOOP POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MO
>>\s/dkfvhS.D/CNK /OIPPP
 ປັນ ເຊີ່:DDDIM MAKING BIG POOPIE MOMMY :DDDPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP IM MAKING BIG P",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678339
49754772,49755508,2015-08-15 22:39:59,"When learning to read is experienced not just as the best way but as the only way to be transported into a world previously unknown, then the child's unconscious fascination with imaginary events and magic power will support his conscious efforts at decoding, giving him strength to master the difficult task of learning to read and become a literate person.
Our thesis is that learning, particularly learning to read, must give the child the feeling that through it new worlds will be open to his mind and imagination.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678399
49754772,49755526,2015-08-15 22:40:30,this is easily the best atheist thread i've ever had the pleasure to read,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678430
49754772,49755536,2015-08-15 22:40:47,lol wtf in the thread,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678447
49754772,49755545,2015-08-15 22:41:11,"This classic fedora is perfect for the open-minded atheist, allowing you to project your superior intellect onto the feeble minds of pathetic deists.",,Anonymous,index.jpg,BDdeOs9pEBdh0Jj9CPE4QA==,US,,1439678471
49754772,49755558,2015-08-15 22:41:27,">>49754892
>YYY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
>AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP有趣! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE有趣! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
>POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
>POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOPPOOP !!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!! POOPIES
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP有趣! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE有趣! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDP POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP!猫粪!耶! POOP逗我开心!开心快乐P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
嗯哦<我想我做了一个POOPIE:)))))))))))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP裤子! NO尿布!那很好笑! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE!猫粪内衣,赚大钱! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678487
49754772,49755559,2015-08-15 22:41:30,JUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICEE JUICEJUICE JUICE JUICE,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678490
49754772,49755567,2015-08-15 22:41:41,">>49754984
sage is not a downvote",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439678501
49754772,49755573,2015-08-15 22:41:58,">>49755437
>Again, I really don't know if there is a ""higher power"" or ""creator"" or ""divine engineer""
Yahweh is described to be exactly that.
You want evidence of God?
You need only open your eyes and your heart.
God IS what holds everything together.
God is self-evident.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678518
49754772,49755584,2015-08-15 22:42:15,lol my sides are dying from this,,Anonymous,1303606790170.png,tOGXJjPUo97LP+OushZWQA==,US,,1439678535
49754772,49755597,2015-08-15 22:42:32,">>49755567
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49754772,49755617,2015-08-15 22:42:54,">>49755331
That doesn't matter. What matters is that you are literal children attempting to spread dogma while criticizing the religious for having any sort of dogma. These threads are not about atheism, these threads are about shamming the religious (see "" There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd."") because some one wearing a cross-necklace told you to go to hell.
The Catholic general is about telling history and actually discussing Catholicism.
Yours is about how Catholics r dumbz!!1
The Catholic general posts art (not just Christ-chan, actual art.).
You post memes designed to offend people.
You are children. Literal children.
I'm not even Catholic, I'm a fucking faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678574
49754772,49755622,2015-08-15 22:42:59,http://vocaroo.com/i/s19mFmp5e4j5,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678579
49754772,49755631,2015-08-15 22:43:16,"This snazzy fedora comes with a little feather. Maybe you can bring up Darwin's theories about birds, or something. The soft felt will help absorb the oil on your balding forehead as well.",,Anonymous,index1.jpg,lm+LmUC1WqxrNJ3ESNyxeQ==,US,,1439678596
49754772,49755663,2015-08-15 22:44:06,">>49755437
Christians never entertain the other that another religion could be right: Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Gnosticism, Jewish version of Yahwew, Hinduism, Muslim's Allah, or the New Age crap, or just an unknown Deity.
And they'd really get confused if their learned Jesus Christ is a prophet in Hinduism. Hinduism can actually include every God that ever existed and say they are all aspects of the main God who is literally everything that ever existed. He's the whole Christian trinity, the earth, the stars, you, me, every God ever, and all things material and immaterial.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439678646
49754772,49755664,2015-08-15 22:44:06,"Шapбaти шapбaти шapбaти 
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49754772,49755676,2015-08-15 22:44:28,">>49755545
nice ebin meme newfriend",,Anonymous,1439687958078.png,ArI2ZFaN/at53wDuNziQ1Q==,US,,1439678668
49754772,49755707,2015-08-15 22:45:19,"This leather fedora can stretch to fit even the fattest head, which atheists usually have, because of their huge brains. It's shiny exterior helps reflect light into your opponent's eyes, potentially blinding them and allowing you to finish them with your katana.",,Anonymous,index2.jpg,mE2z8/M/u5sluSXI5NVkEw==,US,,1439678719
49754772,49755708,2015-08-15 22:45:20,,,Anonymous,1438222711136.png,YIOG6ZOi23Dfd5Fhxwa2Tw==,US,,1439678720
49754772,49755738,2015-08-15 22:46:17,">>49755558
>>49755545
>>49755477
>>49755447
>>49755440
>>49755663
>>49755567
! TEE HEE XD POOP!猫粪!耶! POOP逗我开心!开心快乐P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
嗯哦<我想我做了一个POOPIE:)))))))))))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP裤子! NO尿布!那很好笑! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE!猫粪内衣,赚大钱! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE
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OOPSIE!猫粪内衣,赚大钱! TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE TEE HEE HEE HEE TEE TEE HEE TEE TEE HEE HEE",,Anonymous,1402317042705.jpg,sETiP7hP2vXxzgc/cru3FQ==,US,,1439678777
49754772,49755769,2015-08-15 22:47:10,">this whole thread
Damn son look at all those poops , juice and what not",,Anonymous,1429152345129.png,UG6gwZnNiT9/OMUcIDF2LQ==,US,,1439678830
49754772,49755783,2015-08-15 22:47:30,">>49755617
>What matters is that you are literal children attempting to spread dogma
What dogma?
>>49755573
>Yahweh is described to be exactly that.
So is Pangu. Why doesn't Pangu exist? Is believing he doesn't exist considered arrogant?",,Dick Dorkins,1433805667484.jpg,VHkdaWOpjT02KlF5b8v9EA==,US,,1439678850
49754772,49755785,2015-08-15 22:47:33,">>49755573
>Yahweh is described to be exactly that.
By a book written several thousand years ago that's wrong on several points. There is nothing in our universe that cannot be explained as a product of chance and time. Did someone design the physical laws? Maybe, but it's just as likely that it was some alien running a simulation. Hell, it could be that our physical laws themselves evolve and change, and that we're in a universe that's comprehensible and not chaotic on large scales. Maybe 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ones that were just straight up absurd, cold, and desolate preceded us.
I guess what I'm saying is that there are many other ways to explain our universe than the Christian god. Most arguments for a god's existence don't specify what deity it is. It's just shit like ""Well, what caused the big bang? Therefore Allah"". It doesn't follow.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678853
49754772,49755816,2015-08-15 22:48:45,">>49755707
>>49755631
>>49755545",,Anonymous,fuckingmad.jpg,x1/CQsPibBmGKW9P5CJ+kA==,US,,1439678925
49754772,49755833,2015-08-15 22:49:10,">>49755785
>Hell, it could be that our physical laws themselves evolve and change
>Atheists actually believe this.",,Anonymous,1413492788641.jpg,b6auwrnnYit5oJDf7229vg==,US,,1439678950
49754772,49755851,2015-08-15 22:49:32,I feel like cheese pizza is about to get involved very soon.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439678972
49754772,49755879,2015-08-15 22:50:28,">>49755851
>did someone say spiderman thread?",,Anonymous,1436241278561.png,TfQBaNWQ1BVkjEDRbGGdyw==,US,,1439679028
49754772,49755911,2015-08-15 22:51:26,">>49755573
I agree. Shiva is self-evident. I opened my heart to Shiva and felt her/his presence.
>>49755617
The latest Catholicism generals have been a bunch of in-fighting about various sects. This board is actually turning against Catholicism because of their highly Liberal leaning.
>literal children
Look at these shitposting Christians, making poopoo peepee jokes. Even the most argumentative atheists do not do this in any Christian generals.
Honestly the higher Christians are probably going to fucking miserable having these people in their ranks. They are going to be the same people that derail any Christian thread into Catholic vs Protestant. The smarter Christians like wolfshiem can actually engage in conversation. You could replace these Christians with monkies on keyboards and you couldn't tell the difference. Christians with no ability to communicate and just want to argue are more harmful to the community than atheists.",,OuterLimits,RealGod.jpg,ATZcvXT7ejCJKD3MZprDgg==,US,,1439679086
49754772,49755915,2015-08-15 22:51:33,>>49755833,,Anonymous,1410675521924.jpg,kh/STZcMnwMa3TlEC0DJnw==,US,,1439679093
49754772,49755916,2015-08-15 22:51:33,,,Anonymous,14324436143416.jpg,6zEzqkvq6hKrCXIxqK1V5Q==,US,,1439679093
49754772,49755940,2015-08-15 22:52:01,">>49755269
wew lad
based mods",,Pipe Bombǃ,image.jpg,rP8t2TUdK5Ua0isuMnaY2g==,IR,,1439679121
49754772,49755944,2015-08-15 22:52:06,">>49755833
It was a rebuttal to the idea that theists have a monopoly on explanations. Yeah, my idea might have no evidence (it actually has a little, some physical constants are hypothesized to change), but it has the same amount of evidence as ""a wizard did it"". Which is again, none.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439679126
49754772,49755961,2015-08-15 22:52:30,,,Anonymous,1436240409048.jpg,tDHH+76Geqsxr2Vod4+lMQ==,US,,1439679150
49754772,49755981,2015-08-15 22:53:12,">>49755879
(?)",,Anonymous,1413322600003.jpg,Kz32+q2vFDKY+S5k8ZX28g==,MX,,1439679192
49754772,49756004,2015-08-15 22:53:42,">>49755940
>Atheists get butthurt when they get reported
>report others en masse",,Anonymous,1403023502484.png,8g5JJyjlaXfjBm9gDJ1Rhg==,US,,1439679222
49754772,49756011,2015-08-15 22:53:47,">>49755833
The laws of physics changing is actually a Christian idea. If 'time' cannot change you cannot go from there being no time to God inventing time. I'm actually starting to worry I know more about theology than 90% of Christians =/ 
I should probably try arguing Catholicism vs Protestant and see if I can win that one just to see how much I really know about dogma.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439679227
49754772,49756015,2015-08-15 22:53:51,">>49755981
>>49755961
>>49755916
shitposting 2: the revengence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439679231
49754772,49756017,2015-08-15 22:53:52,">>49755879
Go to bed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439679232
49754772,49756036,2015-08-15 22:54:30,>>49755981,,Anonymous,1436241346927.jpg,Fsm0L93ViMKCF3ZYyGmLBg==,US,,1439679270
49754772,49756066,2015-08-15 22:55:24,>>49756017,,Anonymous,1436241703554.jpg,k7KpFZJA49B+qqRM1GD2DA==,US,,1439679324
49754772,49756091,2015-08-15 22:56:17,">>49756011
>The laws of physics changing is actually a Christian idea.
>Projecting this much",,Anonymous,1409154571748.jpg,sW+uTECb8PxjzBXOJo/kJg==,US,,1439679377
49754772,49756118,2015-08-15 22:56:53,>tfw no Ben garrison post,,Anonymous,1430924880785.jpg,MZa1qKiVUWh6WV1AzuCQXA==,US,,1439679413
49754772,49756154,2015-08-15 22:58:14,">>49756066
Return from whence you came
http://www.funnyjunk.com/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439679494
49754772,49756205,2015-08-15 22:59:44,">>49756011
He's part of the shitpost brigade. I doubt you're going to get through to him, might as well ignore.
I'll argue protestant vs catholicism with you. Which side do you want?",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439679584
49754772,49756364,2015-08-15 23:03:40,">>49756205
>>49756011
The circle jerk begins
>>>reddit.com/r/atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439679820
49754772,49756460,2015-08-15 23:06:47,">>49756205
I'd prefer Catholicism since I like it better.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439680007
49754772,49756705,2015-08-15 23:12:36,">>49756460
Okay then. So, as a catholic, do you realize that your dogma is incompatible with known facts about our universe? For example, the history of the evolution of life on our planet.
According to Catholic doctrine:
>all men inherit ancestral sin from Adam;
>God descended upon Earth as the Son in order to free mankind from this sin, was crucified, died etc.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
>Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called ""original sin"".
The theory of evolution states that we (as Homo Sapiens) gradually evolved from other creatures. This implies—if we don't misinterpret the theory—that Adam and Eve never existed.
If Adam and Eve never existed, no one fell, and we cannot inherit ancestral sin from no one. Moreover, there wasn't any reason which Jesus had to be born for, anything he had to free us from.
The Catechism states, ""The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents""
Pope Pius writes:
>The faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439680356
49754772,49756908,2015-08-15 23:18:42,">>49756460
>>49756705
>Anti-theists actually simulating a denominational debate so that they can pick at Christians
This is beyond pathetic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439680722
49754772,49756964,2015-08-15 23:20:06,">>49756705
Adam and Eve is an allegory. Adam and Eve were the first human beings to be advanced enough to have souls (as opposed to soulless prehuman ancestors).
The fruit is an allegory for turning away from God and in doing so we ruined our relationship with God. We had our chance to live in perfect harmony with God but it was destroyed.
It is Catholicism which first interpreted this allegory and it's meaning, which is why Protestantism is a false religion, just as Adam and Eve took us away from God, Luther took us further away from God (via denying the holy spirit that acts through the Pope).
Protestant scum!",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439680806
49754772,49757136,2015-08-15 23:24:35,"Yeah, a solid amount of the Old Testament is (for Catholics at least) largely considered to be ""didactic fiction,"" meaning they are fictional account meant to convey a message or teach a lesson. Only the real zealots (not even the Church itself) believes Genesis word for word.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439681075
49754772,49757148,2015-08-15 23:24:58,">>49756964
While I agree that the store of Adam and Eve was an allegory, you miss my point. 
You see, I understand that it is an allegory. And that original sin is within all men, as we are in a fallen state from God, and we need his Son - our lord Jesus - to even be able reach salvation.
What your backwards, anti-scientific dogma spouts is that the Bible is indeed talking about literal events in a figurative way. 
Catechism:
>The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents
Catholics change and evolve over time with tradition, right? So why not evolve to protestantism. We're not afraid of science over here.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439681098
49754772,49757250,2015-08-15 23:27:54,"Your entire premise is false.
An atheist by definition is someone who believes that there is no god.
The rest is just pseudo fence sitting designed to reel in those who aren't quite sure what's out there to your side.
Your falsehoods are a sweet poison, much like antifreeze.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439681274
49754772,49757395,2015-08-15 23:32:20,">>49757250
Premise? I'm not making an argument, I'm just stating definitions of words. 
Some people use different words to describe the same belief. You're encouraged to ask someone what they believe before assuming it. For example, I'm agnostic in the sense that I can't know for certain that god doesn't exist, but I'm an atheist in the sense that I don't believe he exists.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439681540
49754772,49757465,2015-08-15 23:34:07,">>49757148
>backwards, anti-scientific dogma
>anti-scientific
>catholic
You do realize that the Catholic religion is directly and indirectly responsible for the vast majority of scientific advances in modern human history, correct?
>dogma spouts is that the bible is
I'm sorry, but its protestants who define their religions, all over 2000 of the different flavors of the month, by ""sola scriptura"", yes?
I mean, I agree that the Church has some areas it could improve upon, as its made up of humans who are imperfect, but the entirety of the protestant groups are summarized as ""I don't like this part, I'm going to change it and make my own special snowflake religion""
See Henry the VIII as the prime example here.
no divorce
>Says who?!
god?
>fuck off, I'll start my own church, with blackjack, and hookers!
>intro to Anglicanism 101",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439681647
49754772,49757528,2015-08-15 23:36:45,>troll gets BTFO,,Anonymous,1438220164419.gif,OjaluO0gsaXOIqG1LHgrFA==,US,,1439681805
49754772,49757594,2015-08-15 23:38:28,">>49757465
I'm pretending to be a protestant for this debate. I've decided to make it the strongest form of protestantism I can think of, instead of some already established one. So most arguments against protestants won't work against me.
Also, that particular dogma is pretty anti-scientific. It's asserting something that we know is scientifically false.
And I'm pretty sure Catholics allow divorce. Even though Jesus says it is adultery.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439681908
49754772,49757706,2015-08-15 23:41:37,">>49757395
>Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>don't know what's out there
I'm not an atheist, just an agnostic
>RUSSIAN MALE DUDE
What? I just don't know. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.
>You're just a trans-atheist! Hurry up and come out of the closet that you may or may not believe in!
Look, both of those words, agnostic and atheist, you have the roots down and most of the context. But to say you can't deny being an atheist, without being a theist, is outright incorrect.
Are you pro skub or anti skub?
>I don't know
>I don't care
these are both valid end-points, without having to delve deeper into it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439682097
49754772,49757787,2015-08-15 23:44:22,">>49757706
Maybe this image will help you understand it a little better.",,Dick Dorkins,agnostic_atheist.jpg,2n/NU40fsUqL5bGJaAC9dQ==,US,,1439682262
49754772,49757861,2015-08-15 23:46:16,"What's invisible, in the sky, and controls the universe?
A.) A unicorn
B.) God
C.) Nothing
Please use physical evidence for your answer, oh wait, you can't.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439682376
49754772,49757887,2015-08-15 23:46:56,">>49757787
this. 
most (90% of atheists) are probably agnostic, they realize you cannot 100% disprove god but they are pretty sure that nigga ain't real",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439682416
49754772,49757998,2015-08-15 23:50:02,">>49757594
It's kind of a corner you got yourself in. I think original sin is part of Protestant theology, so they can't really deny it.
Arguments from science are also kind of self-destructive for religion since the whole basis for religion is 'faith'. That's also kind of what makes theological debates so fucking stupid. Almost all of them are incredibly boring to watch because. They just do pointless metaphysics discussions or bring up really obscure boring history. Like if a Jew wants to debate a Christian he will bring up a ton of weird obscure rules about Jewish culture and explain how Jesus didn't follow them so he can't be the messiah. The Christian will refer to boring prophecisies and they will spend hours arguing over what parts of the prophecy are an allegory and which are not.
""Look it says the messiah will be a warrior""
""Well Jesus was a warrior but a spirtual one!""
If you want to see something actually cool watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwxr9FfdWw
The audience is a bunch of 60+ year old Christian folk. A Protestant debates a Hindu. And the Hindu fucking DESTROYS him, by the end the audience is actually cheering for the Hindu guy and probably all ready to convert. It's something you would never expect to see. Seriously a fucking Hindu winning the approval of Christians?
The Protestant spends the entire debate insulting Hinduism and talking about 'mai 6 million'. The Hindu guy ignores it and talks about the spirtual side of his religion: how to live in harmony with each other, the importance of the community, how Hinduism respects nature.
Christian ends up looking like a bully and cannot think of anything spirtual about his religion (sort of like the Christians in this thread) and the Hindu guy seems like a total bro. 
Anyway fuck the Protestant vs Catholic thing. I'll just wait for another Christian to pop, wait for them to start infighting, take off the trip fag and pick a side.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439682602
49754772,49758024,2015-08-15 23:50:46,">>49757787
Look, I'm familiar with the ideas, I'm saying that you don't have to fit into a theist vs. atheist side of the line.
Does God exist?
>I don't know.
Agnostic. We agree so far.
Do you believe God exists?
>I don't know.
Agnostic. Not agnostic theist, not agnostic atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439682646
49754772,49758089,2015-08-15 23:52:25,">>49756964
>Catholics
>Everything is a fucking Allegory
>Fucking pompous scum
>ALL HAIL LUTHOR",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439682745
49754772,49758171,2015-08-15 23:55:06,">>49757998
>A Protestant debates a Hindu.
>protestant
there's your problem.
Only slightly kidding, the truth is though that you can have good or bad representations of any ideology without it reflecting the ideology itself.
That's as much as I can really say though because >2 hours",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439682906
49754772,49758297,2015-08-15 23:58:31,">>49757998
>I think original sin is part of Protestant theology, so they can't really deny it.
Doubt it. Not mentioned anywhere in here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Theology
I bet there are certain branches of protestantism that have original sin, but it certainly isn't a universal dogma among them.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439683111
49754772,49758563,2015-08-16 00:05:46,">>49758089
>Protestants
>Nothing is an allegory
>world is 6,000 years old
Luther just pissed that he could never even become a Cardinal. 
>>49758171
That's partly why Protestants are so fucking stupid. The Catholics had 1500 years of theological arguments, logic systems, and apologetic for all the crap in the bible that makes no sense.
Luther come along and be like ""man we don't need any of that! Earth is made in 6 days LOL"" Than when people figure out that the earth really wasn't made in 6 days it's right back to the Christian apologetics and theology. But they are literally 1500 years behind the Catholics. They fucked start over from scratch.
Highlights of the video
*Protestant spends 10 minutes screaming about how God loves Jews and how bad the holocaust was
*Protestent screams about how Hindus worship Kali who is really satan in disguise
*Hindu goes up and be like no man: see Kali like an allegory for death. Death is like a part of nature, like if you want to change yourself you need to kill your bad habits. See it's deep and spirtual
*Protestant is like ""Im spiritual too PRAISE JESUS! EVERYONE SAY IT WITH ME PRAISE jesus"" crowd goes fucking silent",,OuterLimits,Thou-art-Luther.jpg,GHbBkTYHGKJkgFfKQCUxPA==,US,,1439683546
49754772,49758739,2015-08-16 00:11:52,">>49758563
>Catholics
>Fucking little boys
>Don't actually believe what their holy book says because they want to be ""cool"" and ""modern"" rather than serving their god.
>Fucking Catholics",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439683912
49754772,49759144,2015-08-16 00:22:49,">>49758739
I said this part before: a group made up of fallible humans is bound to have some, well, fallible humans.
But the catholic church has, as a percentage of its membership, a far lower incidence of pedos then any other organization, including teachers, boy scouts, coaches, etc. I'm sure there's more, I just don't know off the top of my head who works with children, really.
Granted it seems worse because of the position of their moral authority, and I'll concede that point if you try to argue it, but purely by the numbers the church isn't doing terribly by any stretch.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439684569
49754772,49759244,2015-08-16 00:26:12,"Literally what is the point of identifying yourself as an atheist?
Not believing in god is one thing, but identifying as an atheist is a whole other thing.
Ever notice how no successful person ever identifies as an atheist?
There's more to religion than believing in god.",,Anonymous,5tDWRSW.png,dkUanQBWbg21GOEiAfGusQ==,US,,1439684772
49754772,49759324,2015-08-16 00:28:31,Cuck thread?,,Anonymous,dawkins-cuck-2.jpg,znYwSSu6is6d7BAj4j0JUg==,AU,,1439684911
49754772,49759471,2015-08-16 00:32:42,">>49759144
Nice try, pedo.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439685162
49754772,49759530,2015-08-16 00:34:08,">>49757998
> A Protestant debates a Hindu. And the Hindu fucking DESTROYS him
You should check out the Panadura debate between the Theravada Buddhists of Sri Lanka and the Protestant Missionaries. The Buddhist side managed to even use the Bible against the Protestants and even expose deception when they translate it into their local language. 
http://www.secularcafe.org/showthread.php?t=26886",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439685248
49754772,49759538,2015-08-16 00:34:18,">>49758739
>>49758739
>implying the priests were not just possessed by a demon
>implying the holy book is not just one big allegory (except for literally everything Jesus did)
>implying Protestants will not burn in hell
>>49759144
The thing is eventually someone will say ""Well I've led a better life than these kiddy fuckers? They are trying tell me I can't figure out what God wants when they can't even figure out not to fuck children!""
Protestantism was exactly this, it was a huge reaction to the fact that the church was becoming 'unholy' You had groups like the Borgia family that basically were not religious at all but got into all the best seats in the Vatican. They just treated the church like a normal business/government.
Protestantism was inevitable. There were unholy popes in the past but they always just made sure anyone that tried to break away were killed or jailed. There were always groups that wanted to break away from Vatican but they did not have the power until the Renaissance when cities were ruled by capitalists. The new upper class simply did not care if you practiced a different type of religion in their city.
The whole 'cafeteria christian' was also bound to happen once Protestantism happened. And 'cafeteria Christians' eventually lead to complete dropping of the faith altogether.
In other words the current atheism boom was predestined. Christianity is not a stable religion",,OuterLimits,11800399_1449947005313825_7255704957279284501_n.jpg,KP2sc7Yh/9KCg7/XNvK8FA==,US,,1439685258
49754772,49759554,2015-08-16 00:34:46,">>49758563
>>49758739
catholics are kiddie fiddlers and protestants are cucks, what else is new",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439685286
49754772,49759936,2015-08-16 00:46:29,">>49759530
Thanks! Should be interesting
So I've looked a bit into Orthodoxy and I agree it is the least degenerate form of Christianity. It's concept of sin, garden of eden, and Jesus's Crucifixion are a lot less toxic. Original sin is basically a concept to give everyone an inferiority complex.
It also seems to have a much more respectful hierarchy system. I can't really describe it but Orthodox priests seem to have an aura of a father figure while Catholic priests seem like salesman or shady lawyers. Protestants are circus clowns.",,OuterLimits,Jesus Horse.jpg,gS06UpGCgJmiGWrTEs71MA==,US,,1439685989
49754772,49760414,2015-08-16 01:01:12,">>49759936
It is. Generally they are the best of all Christian branches and denominations out there. Kinda sad they are kinda small, otherwise the fate of Christianity may have been different.
>I can't really describe it but Orthodox priests seem to have an aura of a father figure while Catholic priests seem like salesman or shady lawyers. Protestants are circus clowns.
Catholic priests seem to be just akin to a worker that just want to do his job. Orthodox priests at least the ones I encountered are like ""father figures"" or approachable. 
Protestant pastors seem more like politicians campaigning during election season to me.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439686872
49754772,49760884,2015-08-16 01:14:42,">>49760414
Only the most assertive, virus-like memes will spread and grow. Hence why the two most war-like religions are also the two largest religions. 
Christianity has been mostly neutered of its warlike tendencies, but retains most of its other memetic virus-like properties. Islam is in full force, however. And it is growing faster than any religion. It is projected to be larger than Christiantiy by 2070.
Further reading http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2
Stats info http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/",,Anonymous,hum.jpg,3lKFf0FmINuPkvdUYcpRgQ==,US,,1439687682
49754772,49761507,2015-08-16 01:34:33,">>49760884
Islam grows because of high birthrates. Maybe the Vatican forbid the use of condoms so that Catholicism would grow in a similar manner. Who knows right?
Anyways, I guess you also have a point though given how Christianity, particularly Catholicism and Protestantism spreads through intruding into foreign cultures like a virus. The foreign cultures and religions try to fight back but ultimately in many places, they seem to fall flat and just keep on infecting. 
Protestantism was successful in South Korea for a time but now it too is dying(because of the 'warlike' attitude of it and corruption). I do hope that the same trajectory will be actualized in China and South America where after experiencing rapid growth, the Evangelicals will decline and rot as society gains a negative view of them due to their conduct and corruption.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439688873
49754772,49761548,2015-08-16 01:35:59,"There is a light at the end. It's not like getting hit by a car and blacking out. 
Jesus is the grandson of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, descendant of the pharaohs, romans, trojans and hebrews. 
He was called upon by his relative Augustus to seize the throne of Rome as a dictator, in the manner he saw most suitable, along with 5-6 of his other relatives. This was how dictators and kings seized power in those days and today, they dont have elections. 
Jesus had aspirations to unite the far and middle east with Rome, where he spent considerable time studying their religion, because he intended to take control of the world as a pharaoh, by taking the label of god for himself. He was killed by Livia, the mother of Tiberius, but his spirit lived on and did conquer Rome and has made it all around the world. 
When Jesus was done with Rome, it would have solidarity at heart with egypt and north africa, germany, and all the way to india. 
Jesus collected a lot of bad people that needed forgiveness from god, and it was the bad nature of these sinners (whores thieves etc) that possible was the reason pontius pilate allowed Livia and Tiberius to bribe him and have Jesus killed. As it is said, jesus died for the sins of his followers. He worked to unite many world religions and christianity should take over the world and replace all world religions, so that the truth can be revealed and religious nonsense can finally be overcome.",,Anonymous,index_24.jpg,7HjTVoB0kMIpIyKkJuP1Ng==,US,,1439688959
49754772,49761726,2015-08-16 01:41:46,"Other grandsons of Julius Caesar that were killed along with JC include Gaius Caesar, Lucius Caesar, Agrippa Posthumus and probably some I'm forgetting. They were all assassinated by Livia and Tiberius around 0 ad because they were also going to attempt to seize the throne as dictators. While Jesus took the route of pharaoh, his cousins chose the noble soldier route. Tiberius chose the evil, deceptive assassin route, and ultimately won. He tried to cover up the story of Jesus as it was taking hold of people, and built a city on the sea of galilee (it is still there today) and attempted to rename the sea of galilee to lake tiberius, because of its importance. Ultimately, the legacy of Tiberius and Livia has lost to Jesus, and Jesus ruled rome for hundreds of years longer than Tiberius, and his ways still rule the world today. 
The story I shared with you today is called the lion. The story of the virgin birth may be true (caesarion jizzed in his hand according to ancient pharaoh tradition) but the story that he has no father at all is called the lamb.",,Anonymous,JesusCrucifixionLionAndLamb.jpg,UNAE3ZIpFG33n1gi2DpsEA==,US,,1439689306
49754772,49762176,2015-08-16 01:55:53,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgQccYki-9Y,,Anonymous,1439647580641.jpg,NcZ1DByIZDH/x30o/ng1Lg==,US,,1439690153
49754772,49762322,2015-08-16 02:01:04,These threads are only made to piss Christians off. What are you going to discuss..nothing?,,Anonymous,1436049089704.jpg,8DH8M3q3qI51PqJP+oCTFw==,US,,1439690464
49754772,49762447,2015-08-16 02:05:24,">>49762322
Actually, Christian threads are only made to piss atheists off :^)
Also, your question is answered in the OP FAQ",,Dick Dorkins,Dawkins_aaconf.jpg,KnSojbLa/wzm9xi7fkvNug==,US,,1439690724
49754772,49763022,2015-08-16 02:26:45,">>49760884
It's more complicated than that. Dawkins and friends are scientists so they look at things scientifically. Religions emerge as a result of human psychology and need. Christianity was a decadent religion for a decadent time, it started dying once science started growing.
Think of it this way. If religions are just virus's that want nothing but to reproduce why did they try to be ethno-centric. Before Christianity nearly all religions were only relevant to a certain ethnicity, it was a culture that valued your own kind over others. The peoples created religions to reflect their values.
With all the barbarians pouring into Rome they started accepting the presense of foreigners....multiculturalism. And thus the growth of a multicultural religion. Athena only loves Greeks. Jesus loves everyone.
Why is Hinduism incompatible with the west or Buddhism or Taoism? Why will they never be more than 2-3% of the population? Because they do not match our value system. 
There's a philosophical side to religion, a sociological side, and it's only 'virus biological side. All are factors
>>49761507
It really depends how Westernized they become. Religion is dying in the west. Japan is basically the west but with anime. Hense religion dies in Japan. Once you become westernized you take our value system, the old values you once had that run too contrary to the west die, the ones that are compatible with the rest live side by side.
There are also little idiosyncrasies. America is a nation that is anti-intellectual. So Protestanism with it's 6 day creation can sit with us. We think philosophers are fools so Nietzche and Hume arn't as strong as they are in Europe.
>>49761548
Jesus being the Grandson of Caeser destroys the entire fucking ""messiah"" prophecy which is supposed to make him son of Abraham. 
 What would the grandson of a God emperor be doing in the most poo part of the empire hanging out with beggers?",,OuterLimits,1439652943474.jpg,5dw58dH7h8BbWboPn9Zwlg==,US,,1439692005
49754772,49763976,2015-08-16 03:00:41,">>49763022
Religions start for all sorts of reasons. From philosophical needs to money scams. Their spread depends on how well designed their memetic virus is. Christianity and Islam are by far the most potent viruses, hence why they are the most wide-spread. Taoism? Not so much.
As I state in my paste:
>We see no selfish meme in Jefferson’s religion, but the exact opposite: a meme encouraging doubt and inquiry, defending it as morally good, even approved by God. His religion is nonviral. So are many other minority religious views today, like contemporary Deism, or Philosophical Taoism, or the kinder, gentler Christian Methodism, or Christian Universalism, which is undogmatic, humble in its assertions, tolerant of alternative views, and always encouraging doubt, independent thought, and investigation into other religions.
 
>In contrast, all the other religions whose holy books are cited above outright condemn and slander not only atheists and doubters, but anyone of a different religious creed. That is a sign of a virus, not anything true or good. For threats are the hallmark of a wicked creed. These religions must be wicked indeed, for they all make terrifying threats against doubters and unbelievers. The reasons why many of the major religions persist today reinforce this conclusion.",,Anonymous,dawkinsnett.jpg,V2YvhXq5rI6bvualk2LDWA==,US,,1439694041
49754772,49764020,2015-08-16 03:02:22,">>49763022
Yes perhaps so. Though all this depends on perception. I think it is possible that religious values and Western values can coexist together depending on how the religious values are set up. Should they be Westernized into the form akin to Protestantism, its death would follow. In Japan insofar to me it seems that religion becomes an expression of ""cultural identity"" rather than a worldview. 
Sadly, all that 6 day creation stuff is quite rampant amongst the Evangelicals I know. However I suspect this might be in part due to the lack of mention of Evolution and the Big Bang in school textbooks. Malaysian education sucks after all.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439694142
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49754772,49764223,2015-08-16 03:09:03,">>49764196
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49754772,49764595,2015-08-16 03:22:40,">>49764508
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49754772,49765232,2015-08-16 03:47:40,">>49763976
Pretty good analysis really. It's a fairly extensive view of religion. I'd be interested in knowing how you describe the meme of other religions for example Greek/Roman.
Obviously there some God of Gaps there (lightning comes from Zeus) but there is also a reverence for certain ideas in there. Each God represents certain ideals and we can see how important these ideals are based on how much they revere the Gods (Apollo's dominion of art and science were revered almost as much as Zeus's dominion of leadership)
>>49764020
Religious values can coexist with a Western world based on how 'western' the religion is. For instance you can see Islam is not compatible with the West so there is conflict. In contrast the individualism of Buddhism and Taoism is compatable with the West (to a degree). 
How Japan does religion is highly advanced. I think it's the ultimate form of religion in an advanced society (which is why I think Japan-kun in the Christian threads is a fucking idiot). All of the iconagraphy, all of the art, all the beautiful things preserved maybe even made immortal by turning them into symbols. The clear boarder between 'us' and 'them' to act as a barrier against Marxism. The values of the religion are no longer tied to the supernatural, no longer threatened by science. In theory it could last forever. The spiritual aspect will be irreversible damaged though, not killed though.
However you cannot do that with Christianity, it's value system tied to the 'spirit world', so it can't immortalize it's values. It can't be an barrier against Marxism because it's universal (so the wise Europeans became pagans). It can do the symbol thing like in Orthodox. Paganism could do all 3 of them though-but Paganism thought system is not evolved (no theologians, logic systems, etc) at all so I don't know if it can survive.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439696860
49754772,49765556,2015-08-16 04:00:34,">>49754772
What is the point of proselytizing atheism?
I understand why Christians do it but it makes zero sense for an atheist.
You should keep your atheism to yourself. It is on your best interest for the majority of people to handicap themselves with Christian morality. You can get ahead in life by being totally amoral.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439697634
49754772,49766081,2015-08-16 04:24:13,">>49755545
yfw that's a stingy brim",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439699053
49754772,49766806,2015-08-16 04:59:29,">>49765232
I guess so. However my guess is depending on how the said religion perceives reality as we know it. A balance between Enchantment and Disenchantment is required. Should the religion itself be disenchanted such as in Protestantism, it is doomed for failure and will make the transition to irreligion much easier. Should it be akin to Buddhism and Taoism or Orthodoxy, it may be able to hold depending on how it would react and response to the modern world. Should it be akin to Paganism, it is doomed to failure given the world is just too enchanted and would lose it's magic as we uncover more about the world.
The world Shintoism presents to us is an enchanted one where the spiritual dwells in nature. I suspect the shift away from the supernatural aspects of Shintoism in Japan has to do with Japan's defeat in the Second World War given how the Emperor himself is treated as some form of divinity. It is as if the gods failed them or are powerless thus leading to a shift away from the actual beliefs in the supernatural stuff Shintoism offers. Shintoism thus copes by becoming symbolic and changing itself into more of an expression of identity. To become Japanese is to be Shinto, to go to the temple whenever a festival is up as an expression of being Japanese. 
Orthodox Christianity does follow quite a similar vein to Japanese Shintoism in the sense of it becoming ingrained into the cultures where it is the majority religion particularly in Eastern Europe. However given migration and increasing contact with a pluralistic world, it would need to change itself to accommodate differing cultures.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439701169
49754772,49767933,2015-08-16 05:53:20,">>49754795
Any plans on a profile for Hinduism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439704400
49754772,49769124,2015-08-16 06:42:41,What are an agnostics position on the easter bunny?,,Anonymous,,,NO,,1439707361
49754772,49769320,2015-08-16 06:50:01,">>49754795
why separate science and God ?
one could argue that science barely try to understand god's creation (us,the universe around us.)
from what you know from science,just try to think about space and cosmos,just think about everything we know in this world now try to imagine things we dont know.",,Anonymous,paradiso.jpg,VC3YBydFk6GXlkaZEkHVMA==,CA,,1439707801
49754772,49771161,2015-08-16 07:56:16,">>49755025
>your
Irony: The post.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439711776
49802643,49802643,2015-08-16 20:52:24,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. For more information, check out these articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Dick Dorkins,1438578143180.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439758344
49802643,49802689,2015-08-16 20:53:20,">>49802643
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *links now work*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>The Religious Landscape *new*
http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2
>Responses to Common Arguments *new*
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
http://pastebin.com/Q8wbhXpZ
http://pastebin.com/BfJrGE3x
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Fedora-chan and Other Atheism-Related Images
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,tumblr_n8w814vBLT1r04oimo1_500.jpg,FqAymMvwISpmRnBw3To1vg==,US,,1439758400
49802643,49802895,2015-08-16 20:58:02,Look at how much we don't believe in God!,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439758682
49802643,49802921,2015-08-16 20:58:36,">NEWS
I'm actually posting this from my phone. Someone in the hotel I'm staying at posted something illegal and got the shared IP address banned. I'll be staying here until the end of my business trip, which is about a month. 
So if you see less of me, that's why. 
Also, Outerlimits can you please ensure these threads keep getting made and stay high quality? 
To everyone else, I've finished most of the stuff I've been writing. You can check it out here: http://pastebin.com/u/dickdorkins",,Dick Dorkins,1439528812104.jpg,yCi7fDAetX0NKTYNAWc8vw==,US,,1439758716
49802643,49803446,2015-08-16 21:10:02,"Added my paste about incompatibilities between evolution and Catholic doctrine http://pastebin.com/nbeA07GW
Feel free to paste it in Catholic threads while I'm away",,Dick Dorkins,dawkins-bonnet.jpg,C6AxAPkoQRCZUBIh35Pgqw==,US,,1439759402
49802643,49803848,2015-08-16 21:18:51,Check mate,,Anonymous,pnoaIIC.jpg,s5/UXlD8n5zRrPfq+ROD8w==,US,,1439759931
49802643,49804072,2015-08-16 21:23:44,">>49803848
Why did God only have 1 son? Seems like he still has the POTENTIAL to have more",,Anonymous,1437332183838.png,aP+p9bVmzcyUkMYJxGpDqw==,US,,1439760224
49802643,49804224,2015-08-16 21:27:12,">>49803848
I really question this understanding of infinity. What about a loop? a loop has no Beginning or end. 
If you say that's illogical because it lacks cause and effect, so does the concept of a pure actuality",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439760432
49802643,49804328,2015-08-16 21:29:35,">>49803848
Also the arugment conveniently assumes that something outside the universe proper would follow the same laws of logic that bind our actions. 
there is no reason to assume this, such a substance or being could at in a seemingly illogical manner because it is not bound by our laws",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439760575
49802643,49804400,2015-08-16 21:31:21,"Serious question:
Why do atheists feel the need to preach about their beliefs? In theory shouldn't you just know that you're right and not want to bother with the craziness of the religious crowd?
Like, why do you even need an atheism general? Why do you need a community? Why do you need to talk about not believing with other non believers?
To me it really is like a club entirely dedicated to not liking football. There's no point but spite. It's fine a great if you don't like football and handle it by just not watching football, and that doesn't mean you're never going to hang out with other people who like football. 
But talking about how cool atheism is is like going to a Super Bowl party and bitching the whole time about how much you hate football. It doesn't advance your cause, it just makes you look like a petty little asshat.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,r2GzZHAxpfubh4tWrSpfMQ==,US,,1439760681
49802643,49804622,2015-08-16 21:36:05,">>49804400
Good points.
It's because this is not an atheist general.
It's an anti-theist general.
The OP of this thread regularly goes into Christianity generals just to attempt to discredit the religion.
see
>>49803676",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439760965
49802643,49804722,2015-08-16 21:38:05,">>49804400
>In theory shouldn't you just know that you're right
No, that's the job of the religious crowd.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439761085
49802643,49804784,2015-08-16 21:39:28,">>49804400
Why do you need a Christ general or catholic general. Shouldn't you just be content knowing that you are right.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439761168
49802643,49804799,2015-08-16 21:39:42,">>49802643
Isn't it funny how fast these threads pop up after we raid leddit and someone blows our cover?
Odd",,Anonymous,1439657709690.jpg,VzZzqsnSRhf1tyDe6+40FQ==,US,,1439761182
49802643,49804859,2015-08-16 21:41:04,">>49804400
If 70% of people believed in Santa Claus then I'd make threads about how he isn't real",,Anonymous,K3lGeWs.jpg,sESPo/4e2mAvgnQU/Folzg==,US,,1439761264
49802643,49804942,2015-08-16 21:42:50,">>49804722
If you don't know then this isn't really an atheism general. It's a questioning general. 
Why not just make a general religious discussion thread and focus it on the doubts you're having? When you call it ""atheism general"" it makes it clear that your purpose is to antagonize the religious crowd instead of promoting or discussing your own ideas and philosophy.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,sWmMCsE3RwbEufVgnK6ouA==,US,,1439761370
49802643,49804982,2015-08-16 21:43:51,">>49803446
>Feel free to paste it in Catholic threads while I'm away
And that right there is why you are a child.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439761431
49802643,49805069,2015-08-16 21:45:31,">>49804942
>When you call it ""atheism general"" it makes it clear that your purpose is to antagonize the religious crowd instead of promoting or discussing your own ideas and philosophy.
This just show how self-centered Christians always adopt the victim complex. 
""you can't use that word! It offends me!""",,Anonymous,1315781068251.jpg,94Msg6A6XkYdx3yd6tr0Tg==,US,,1439761531
49802643,49805094,2015-08-16 21:45:54,">>49804859
So you've admitted it's just an anti-christian thread.",,Anonymous,1435170998531.jpg,6iS12mEYxtn0waoSiq2svA==,SE,,1439761554
49802643,49805202,2015-08-16 21:47:45,">>49804784
Because Christianity has a tangible goal and philosophy that people can bond over. Atheism, by definition, lacks any unique philosophy. You could try to claim that your philosophy is just ""being a good person because is the right thing to do"" but that's not a concept related to atheism. It's just a general discussion of morality.
>>49804859
Why? Why would you feel the need to ruin the happiness that Santa clause brings people? That's a horrible fucking example when you consider the joy that belief in Santa brings to children across the country. And on top of that, eventually people have to outgrow Santa because eventually the responsibility of giving presents to their kids will fall to them.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,E6E58uPxhJ6AO5di8p0nKA==,US,,1439761665
49802643,49805339,2015-08-16 21:50:30,">>49805202
No one cares how much joy you get from the idea of 72 virgins waiting for you after a suicide bombing",,Anonymous,LDSof.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1439761830
49802643,49805389,2015-08-16 21:51:38,">>49805069
You haven't refuted his legitimate point though.
You are simply perpetrating the meme status of atheists and validating what that guy said.
I swear atheists are retards that adhere to atheism to seem smarter.
but I am wrong for some reason or another.
Also your only strength is doubt, which you claim cant be used against you.
Not to mention how you guys always get btfo in these threads.
And once again I am 
>le retard theist
Crawl back under your hole.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439761898
49802643,49805431,2015-08-16 21:52:31,">>49805339
>No one cares how much joy you get from the idea of 72 virgins waiting for you after a suicide bombing
1.2 billion people would like to disagree...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439761951
49802643,49805511,2015-08-16 21:53:50,">>49805339
Lol. 
[The topic]
Religion
Philosophy
Merits of atheism
Purpose of atheism
[/The topic]
[You]
OMFG LOOK HOW RETARDED I AM
[/You]",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439762030
49802643,49805671,2015-08-16 21:57:00,">>49805511
*ALERT* * ALERT*
DIRTY COMPUTER SCIENCE MAJOR DETECTED!",,Anonymous,1428795447693.jpg,xMffeA42V5AS+hDt+JpOTw==,SE,,1439762220
49802643,49805799,2015-08-16 21:59:38,">>49802643
>What Richard Dawkins is thinking:
>This computer created itself out of nothing for no reason. It is perfect because it has to be or else it wouldn't exist, and it exists because if it didn't exist, I wouldn't be using it right now.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439762378
49802643,49805889,2015-08-16 22:01:31,">>49802921
Sure I'll hold down the fort.
What time of do you reckon I should post threads at?
I'm completely gone for today. It's been exhausting and I'm probably going to sleep for 12 hours. Than maybe I'll work on the Religious profile until it's done.
Thank you very much for your work.",,OuterLimits,1386026585626.png,hrSWojoum+4arvm6OApa0w==,US,,1439762491
49802643,49806076,2015-08-16 22:05:32,">>49805889
Post them whenever you want. I usually just posted them after I got off work.",,Dick Dorkins,,,US,,1439762732
49802643,49806749,2015-08-16 22:19:21,">>49804400
>But talking about how cool atheism is is like going to a Super Bowl party and bitching the whole time about how much you hate football.
You seem like a cool g-... 
>>49805511
Nvm",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439763561
49802643,49806883,2015-08-16 22:22:04,">>49805889
>Europe was a beautiful and scientifically advanced atheist utopia before all these religious people showed up :/
Is this what atheists actually believe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439763724
49802643,49807026,2015-08-16 22:24:38,">>49805202
>christianity has a tangible goal
>tangible goal
>tangible
I do not think it means what you think it means",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439763878
49802643,49807352,2015-08-16 22:30:54,">>49804072
Because raising more would be hectic for him, especially when they are all omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent just like him!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,52b0e5ff51d35d4fc649c7f08290c235.jpg,3J6jO93XVjWP6+bEznpcGw==,MY,,1439764254
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49802643,49807569,2015-08-16 22:35:12,">>49807514
>>49807541
here is your reply",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439764512
49802643,49807592,2015-08-16 22:35:46,"Day 8,432
>We still don't believe in God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439764546
49802643,49807601,2015-08-16 22:35:57,">>49806883
No.
We(at least I) can acknowledge what religion did and the role it played in scientific and philosophical advancements. However we must also remember that the two have the tendency to clash with each other at times. This simply increased when the Reformation happened thanks to the literalism it espoused(The Reformers hate allegorical approaches to Scripture) and in part due to discoveries that seemingly contradict Scripture.
As time went on, Protestants play the game of ""God of the gaps"" and creating the concept of god as some entity that simply created a machine, turn it on and let it be(because of the view that God is separate from Creation and how for the Reformed, the Divine cannot be mediated through the physical). 
The use of the intelligent design argument also invoke such a view. But when Darwin came into the fray, everything changed and we realize that such is kinda crappy.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439764557
49802643,49807879,2015-08-16 22:41:14,">>49802643
>Only believe as I say... the way I say.
Fuck off",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439764874
49802643,49807893,2015-08-16 22:41:32,">>49807541
>>49807514
Why don't you ever see spam like this in Christian threads?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439764892
49802643,49807952,2015-08-16 22:42:31,">>49807893
because all the christians on /pol/ are underage",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439764951
49802643,49808038,2015-08-16 22:44:22,">>49807952
>christians on /pol/ are underage
>underage
>coming from an atheist
>atheist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765062
49802643,49808063,2015-08-16 22:44:59,">>49807952
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49802643,49808084,2015-08-16 22:45:21,">>49807952
I'm 25. I was underage goofball atheist. Then I grew up and became a Christian. 
Question: Why can't atheists into science?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765121
49802643,49808111,2015-08-16 22:46:01,">>49802643
>Atheist General
Is this your response to the religion generals we have on /pol/, fedorafag? Reminds me of the butthurt linuxfags who bitch about Windows getting most of the attention.",,Anonymous,atheistfags-on-pol.png,x60YDHdgZlMH2k5T81uaBw==,US,,1439765161
49802643,49808131,2015-08-16 22:46:31,">>49807601
>(at least I) can acknowledge what religion did and the role it played in scientific and philosophical advancements.
Religion is the philosophy of dummies
Belief implies you have closed the argument and are not open to any alternative or new information. That puts a halt to growth.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439765191
49802643,49808137,2015-08-16 22:46:35,">>49808084
>grew up
>became christian
pick one and one only.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439765195
49802643,49808214,2015-08-16 22:48:07,">>49808137
I love telling atheists that. It really gets their goat. Now, tell me, why can't atheists into science?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765287
49802643,49808276,2015-08-16 22:49:35,">>49808214
It hasn't 'got my goat' at all. It's just an oxymoron.
> why can't atheists into science?
I'll answer that when you explain what you mean. I don't answer vague/loaded questions",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439765375
49802643,49808310,2015-08-16 22:50:10,">>49804400
>In theory shouldn't you just know that you're right and not want to bother with the craziness of the religious crowd?
absolutely right
I never come to these threads and this is my first time posting, just open these threads for lolz 
People who deny evidence will never believe you no matter what you tell them. It's best just to ignore their beliefs if they have any and never bring it up because it's a shitty conversation and ends the exact same way everytime. 
How many times has an atheist converted a die hard christain by debating? Never, it never happens. It's pointless.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765410
49802643,49808401,2015-08-16 22:51:49,">>49808214
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765509
49802643,49808472,2015-08-16 22:53:15,">""Let's talk about god.""
Shit atheists say.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1439765595
49802643,49808479,2015-08-16 22:53:22,">>49808214
So do you think every scientific discovery was made by a Christian looking in their bible? Science is almost purely secular.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765602
49802643,49808704,2015-08-16 22:58:12,">>49808131
It isn't though to be fair it is in some sense(like the God of the gaps shit and ID)
However it is wrong to simply generalize all of religion into this category. 
>Belief implies you have closed the argument and are not open to any alternative or new information. That puts a halt to growth.
Yes, you are right. The strict control of the Church would create this sort of situation. Nevertheless, advancements in philosophy and science were still made. There's a fucking reason why God is quite a big theme in philosophy even until today. 
Sheesh, just because religion aided us in the advancement of science and philosophy does it entail them to be true T_T",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439765892
49802643,49808711,2015-08-16 22:58:18,">>49808479
>>49808401
>>49808276
explain the Universe
Impossible mode: No creator 
>inb4 not our job to prove negative
Make a case for your beliefs. After all, this is atheism general.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439765898
49802643,49808753,2015-08-16 22:59:13,">>49808711
>Make a case for your beliefs.
I don't have any beliefs
>explain the Universe
we don't yet know
wow that was hard. You totally checkmated me.
fuckwit",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439765953
49802643,49808768,2015-08-16 22:59:43,">>49808753
sorry i meant to put quotation marks around ""beliefs""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439765983
49802643,49808781,2015-08-16 22:59:59,">>49802643
Why is it that Atheists are willing to believe in life on other planets, but not a supernatural entity?
There's proof for neither of these claims",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439765999
49802643,49808806,2015-08-16 23:00:33,">>49808711
Explain God. 
Impossible mode: no creator",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766033
49802643,49808857,2015-08-16 23:01:35,">>49808781
>Why is it that Atheists are willing to believe in life on other planets
Because they are morans.
I will believe in INTELLIGENT life at precisely the moment it is proven.
Saying ""hurr durr but there's lots of planets"" doesn't actually mean there's intelligent life.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439766095
49802643,49808978,2015-08-16 23:04:36,">>49808781
>There's proof for neither of these claims
There's quite a high probability for the existence of life elsewhere apart from Earth though.
As for God, that probability is probably uncertain(I'm Agnostic)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439766276
49802643,49809004,2015-08-16 23:04:56,">>49808711
>i dont know how the universe formed
>therefore jewish mythology from 5000 years ago is correct",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439766296
49802643,49809083,2015-08-16 23:06:36,">>49804224
Even if time is cyclical, like a ring or wheel, there still has to be something at the metaphysical ""center"" of the cycle, an omnipotent unmoved mover.
This is basically how Buddhists envision God.
>in before ""buddhists don't believe in creators tho""
Despite what any professor or journalist tells you, the Dalai Lama is not the emperor of all Buddhistkind. Traditional non-Tibetan Buddhists certainly do believe in a creator.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766396
49802643,49809129,2015-08-16 23:07:57,">>49809083
>there still has to be something at the metaphysical ""center"" of the cycle, an omnipotent unmoved mover.
Why?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766477
49802643,49809131,2015-08-16 23:07:58,">>49808711
>Impossible mode: No creator 
The universe has always just existed.
So, what do I win?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766478
49802643,49809149,2015-08-16 23:08:14,">>49804072
>>49804224
Literal fedoras
>>49804224
What do you mean? Is a soda can infinite? Also, funny you use this example, an infinite circle is actually a paradox. Look it up. 
>>49804328
>Also the arugment conveniently assumes that something outside the universe proper would follow the same laws of logic that bind our actions. 
Yes, it assumes God is fathomable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766494
49802643,49809252,2015-08-16 23:10:12,">>49809149
literal hats?",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439766612
49802643,49809309,2015-08-16 23:11:22,">>49808753
>we don't yet know
Therefore logical and scientific hypotheses should be mocked and denied as wrongthink?>>49808806
no answer
>>49809004
no answer 
>>49809131
unscientific answer
What's it like being autistic?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766682
49802643,49809321,2015-08-16 23:11:37,">>49809149
""I believe in god"" is not proof. It is simply a statement that something you don't know about is true, despite your lack of evidence.
All science is is a way of investigating the world around us to better understand it. Religion (all of it) is the diametric opposite, the handing down of received authority, supposedly from god (but actually from a group of confused, mushroom eating old men) telling us exactly how everything works.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439766697
49802643,49809351,2015-08-16 23:12:13,">>49809309
>unscientific answer
And ""a wizard did it"" isn't?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766733
49802643,49809364,2015-08-16 23:12:27,">>49809309
>Therefore logical and scientific hypotheses should be mocked and denied as wrongthink?
What the fuck are you on about you stupid cunt?
A hypothesis EXISTS because we don't fucking know and we are trying to find out.
How fucking illiterate are you?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439766747
49802643,49809417,2015-08-16 23:13:48,">>49809309
a made up story is not an answer to the universe either.",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439766828
49802643,49809507,2015-08-16 23:15:21,">>49804072
Because the Son is God in physical form. There is only one God; therefore, there is only one Son. This is logically consistent with the rest of Aquinas's claims.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439766921
49802643,49809596,2015-08-16 23:17:20,">>49809507
>There is only one God
How do you know? And how do you know that one even exists in the first place?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439767040
49802643,49809614,2015-08-16 23:17:47,">>49809351
>That meme
>It just happened
>>49809321
>diametric opposite
No. Think harder. 
>>49809364
I think you misunderstood my point. Believing in a creator is a logical and (not unscientific) hypothesis.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767067
49802643,49809631,2015-08-16 23:18:06,">>49809129
Because a chain of potential events can't just magically start itself.
It's weird how atheists (and particularly scientists) will always call out religious people for using circular arguments, yet are so entranced by the concept of circular causality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767086
49802643,49809640,2015-08-16 23:18:15,">>49809309
answer
>>49808479",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767095
49802643,49809688,2015-08-16 23:19:21,">>49808479
Are you unironically questioning the contribution Christianity has made to science? Apparently, atheists can't into history either.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767161
49802643,49809694,2015-08-16 23:19:26,">>49809614
>I think you misunderstood my point. Believing in a creator is a logical and (not unscientific) hypothesis.
I don't think you know what that word means",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439767166
49802643,49809718,2015-08-16 23:20:00,">>49809507
Seems like God had the potential to have more than 12 disciples. 
Seems like God had the potential to crush all opposing religions and declare his as true. 
Seems like God had the potential to create a universe where morality was weaved into the fabric of reality, something that can be measured scientifically",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767200
49802643,49809769,2015-08-16 23:20:51,"This thread again? For fucks sake reddit, fuck off.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439767251
49802643,49809830,2015-08-16 23:22:12,">>49809694
Again, my post was referring to Chistianity/philosophy.",,Anonymous,silly-ausfag.png,5zvr3+aOuCaOqF4N7SkSyA==,US,,1439767332
49802643,49809849,2015-08-16 23:22:35,>>49802643,,Anonymous,2186158-reuben_kincaid_1.jpg,nji7RIhJrnS/3iRgrWhLZw==,US,,1439767355
49802643,49809894,2015-08-16 23:23:30,">>49809830
Fuckwit... you don't 'believe' in a hypothesis.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439767410
49802643,49809914,2015-08-16 23:23:52,">>49809614
>>It just happened
no, no. it took god, the all knowing all powerful creator of everything, 6 whole days to create the ""heavens"" and earth. then he got tired and had to rest.
better hope the devil doesn't make god do manual labor or he might actually win.",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439767432
49802643,49809916,2015-08-16 23:23:56,">>49809688
""Christianity"" didn't do shit. People who happened to be Christians did. Like I said, did they find their discoveries in the bible?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767436
49802643,49809917,2015-08-16 23:23:57,">>49809631
The Buddha had listed the 14 unanswerable questions. Part of this relates to whether or not the universe had a beginning or not.
Buddhism is varied. It is simplistic to simply concede that it is non theistic or theistic because both strains of thought are present within Buddhism itself.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439767437
49802643,49809925,2015-08-16 23:24:05,">>49809718
Seems like you don't have a strong response.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767445
49802643,49809979,2015-08-16 23:25:04,">>49802643
>stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
Except gnostic atheists can't exist, this makes as much sense as saying female Russians don't exist.
But whatever, keep being a delusional faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767504
49802643,49810032,2015-08-16 23:26:18,">>49809979
>Except gnostic atheists can't exist
There was one on /pol/ just the other day",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767578
49802643,49810035,2015-08-16 23:26:22,">>49808806
God is supernatural and eternal.
>nb4 the universe is supernatural and eternal",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767582
49802643,49810065,2015-08-16 23:26:56,">>49809979
>Except gnostic atheists can't exist
except they can and do",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439767616
49802643,49810108,2015-08-16 23:27:48,">>49810035
>God is supernatural and eternal
Prove it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767668
49802643,49810135,2015-08-16 23:28:27,">>49810108
>God is not supernatural and eternal
prove it",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439767707
49802643,49810148,2015-08-16 23:28:44,">>49809916
>""Christianity"" didn't do shit. People who happened to be Christians did. Like I said, did they find their discoveries in the bible?
Here, dumbfuck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science
>>49809914
>memeing this hard
>no, no. it took god, the all knowing all powerful creator of everything, 6 whole days to create the ""heavens"" and earth. then he got tired and had to rest.
Well, that would be logically sound. Although, it would conflict with our understanding of the universe. Unlike your belief, which is both illogical and unscientific. 
>It just happened
Less plausible than genesis",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767724
49802643,49810205,2015-08-16 23:30:02,">>49810135
You can't even back a claim you just made?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767802
49802643,49810254,2015-08-16 23:31:00,">what it takes to convince an atheist
>proof
>what it takes to convince a theist
>a 2000 year old book written by jews
truly scientific",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439767860
49802643,49810315,2015-08-16 23:31:57,">>49810148
>>It just happened
said no one ever",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439767917
49802643,49810327,2015-08-16 23:32:08,">>49810205
I won't claim to be able to prove that. Anyone who says they can is retarded. However, if God exists he would have to be both supernatural and eternal. Only on /pol/ do I encounter people autistic enough to not grasp this. Hitchens, Dawkins, other faggots argue against this God. They accept that definition of God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767928
49802643,49810336,2015-08-16 23:32:21,">>49804328
Retard alert!
Something outside the universe causing everything inside it would qualify, regardless of if it hurts your fee-fees",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439767941
49802643,49810364,2015-08-16 23:32:53,">>49810254
but god said it's true cos it says so in the bible",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439767973
49802643,49810390,2015-08-16 23:33:22,"""All religions have an explanation about the *creation* of the world... all sacred books start there. Not a single religion had an idea about the shape of the earth, the nature of the sky and the stars, the laws of gravitation, the relations between the earth, the moon, the sun et the planets, the constitution of the human body, the role of micro-organisms in diseases, etc... All those holy books, as soon as they meddle in trying to explain this world created by the god they praise, talk drivel."" 
(François Cavanna)",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439768002
49802643,49810425,2015-08-16 23:34:05,">>49810315
>>49809914",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768045
49802643,49810469,2015-08-16 23:34:58,">>49810327
>However, if God exists he would have to be both supernatural and eternal.
Why?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768098
49802643,49810494,2015-08-16 23:35:25,">>49810148
>dumbfuck
Wow no need to get hostile. It's not my fault answering a simple question is hard for your puny brain.
DID THESE PEOPLE LOOK INTO A BIBLE TO FIND THEIR DISCOVERIES?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768125
49802643,49810537,2015-08-16 23:36:19,">>49810425
i was quoting you.
you're literally the one who said it just happened. no one else made that claim.",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439768179
49802643,49810659,2015-08-16 23:39:03,">>49810469
>Atheists not being to into abstract thoughts
Are you actually incapable of grasping the concept of God? Not even goofing, there are people who believe your type are actually autistic. God is the first mover, the cause. This is the only logical explanation of God. 
Here, let's do something. 
1. All meeps are moops
2. All meeps are teeps
Q: Are all teeps moops?
DO you get where I'm going?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768343
49802643,49810673,2015-08-16 23:39:29,">>49809596
>How do you know?
Because how could there be possibly two omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal beings?
By definition, there can only be one omnipotent being. If there were two, they would be able to undermine eachother's power, and thus neither would be truly omnipotent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768369
49802643,49810727,2015-08-16 23:40:37,">>49809718
>God had the potential to have more than 12 disciples
You're right. He has two billion of them :)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768437
49802643,49810729,2015-08-16 23:40:39,">tfw i talk to muslims that are as hard headed and unable to grasp the very basic concepts of science and logic as the pseudo-christians on /pol/ who didn't even exist before the fedora maymay
>mfw the muslims believe this stuff to the point where they'd die/kill for it
>mfw the contrarians arguing in favor of religion on /pol/ would be atheist out of spite if they lived in a theocratic country like the retarded atheists i've met here",,Pipe Bombǃ,image.jpg,fL3XBfIQUdubmelDjc1a8g==,IR,,1439768439
49802643,49810794,2015-08-16 23:42:12,">>49810673
>Because how could there be possibly two omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal beings?
Again, how do you even know that one exists?
And what do the 3 omni's have to do with there being only 1?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439768532
49802643,49810795,2015-08-16 23:42:14,">>49810659
>This is the only logical explanation of God. 
But its not logical. Its an assumption, rather than a necessary (deductive) truth.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439768534
49802643,49810806,2015-08-16 23:42:32,">>49810659
>God is the first mover, the cause. This is the only logical explanation of God.
How are those things necessarily supernatural or eternal?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768552
49802643,49810939,2015-08-16 23:45:00,">>49810537
Yes, I assumed (still do) you believe it just happened and mocked you for it. In response, you mocked Genesis instead of dismissing my proposal of your beliefs (which I did, following your proposal of mine).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768700
49802643,49810947,2015-08-16 23:45:09,">>49810794
>>49810795
then how do you explain my feelings, oceania?!",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439768709
49802643,49810982,2015-08-16 23:45:54,">>49810727
He also has the potential to have less, why isn't that actualized?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439768754
49802643,49811085,2015-08-16 23:48:04,">>49810939
but literally no one except you claimed it ""just happened"".
making a dumb assumption based on nothing then mocking the dumb assumption you just made so you can feel like you won an argument is the definition of a strawman.",,Pipe Bombǃ,,,IR,,1439768884
49802643,49811093,2015-08-16 23:48:18,">>49810947
don't lump me in with that sheep fucker",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439768898
49802643,49811188,2015-08-16 23:50:36,">>49810795
How is being the first mover an ""assumption""? How is that not a necessary attribute of God?
Eternity is a necessary attribute of God. Nothing can exist before or after God, because anything that exists independently of God is something that falls outside his power. But God is omnipotent, and nothing can fall outside his power. Thus, nothing can exist before or after God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769036
49802643,49811230,2015-08-16 23:51:35,">>49810795
Really? 
>The Universe exists and has a definite beginning
>All things that exist and have a definite beginning must have a cause
>God 
>>49810806
I guess a pre-universe could be the cause. But, this is not really taken seriously anymore in science.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769095
49802643,49811247,2015-08-16 23:51:52,">>49810982
Having followers isn't an attribute of God; following God is an attribute of humans.
You're putting the cart before the horse, here. God doesn't have the potential to be followed; humans have the potential to follow God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769112
49802643,49811254,2015-08-16 23:51:59,">>49811188
>Thus, nothing can exist ... after God.
Wat",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769119
49802643,49811298,2015-08-16 23:52:53,">>49811085
I asked you for an explanation. You didn't provide one. I proposed one which you didn't deny. We can start again. >>49808711",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769173
49802643,49811322,2015-08-16 23:53:21,">>49811254
I mean after the hypothetical ""death"" of God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769201
49802643,49811325,2015-08-16 23:53:23,">>49811247
God could have potentially made the universe in a different way so that this isn't true",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769203
49802643,49811379,2015-08-16 23:54:29,">>49811298
What if we don't know how the universe came to be?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769269
49802643,49811382,2015-08-16 23:54:30,">>49811188
It is unwise to state what attributes God has or does not have because it cannot be verified. You may as well say what the Devil looks like.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769270
49802643,49811399,2015-08-16 23:55:01,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ZqQznblZo,,Anonymous,FmwSTsu.png,hkFu/COQT857ysj68sXQ4A==,US,,1439769301
49802643,49811414,2015-08-16 23:55:25,">>49811379
We don't. However, we do know it had a beginning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769325
49802643,49811459,2015-08-16 23:56:29,">>49811298
answer
>>49810494",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769389
49802643,49811473,2015-08-16 23:57:15,">>49811414
the universe as we know it? or the stuff the universe is made of?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439769435
49802643,49811511,2015-08-16 23:58:12,"Why do you atheists have such hate, such hardened hearts, if only you knew the love of Christ you could remove those scales from your eyes and be at peace again, doesnt it sound great!!! just let go of your worldly ideas and let the truth shine forth
truthingenesis.com",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769492
49802643,49811728,2015-08-17 00:03:11,">>49811188
>How is being the first mover an ""assumption""?
Because there is no evidence he did a ""first move"" its an assumption, or to be more blunt catholic dogma.
>Eternity is a necessary attribute of God.lalalal
Believing God creates everything would assume diseases,superbugs and cancers are caused by god to kill people. The ""First Mover"" is totally indifferent to the effects his creation of the Universe, as far as the human race was concerned, and we could with equal justification to call the First Mover ,the Devil.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439769791
49802643,49811761,2015-08-17 00:04:02,">>49811511
>posting on a forum where christians spend their time hating blacks, gays, hispanics, etc.
Yeah, ""we're"" filled with hate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439769842
49802643,49812013,2015-08-17 00:09:14,"Eventhough I hardly pray here's a little secret of mine,
Whenever I'm aboard a Malaysia Airlines flight and the plane starts shaking, I become a theist and pray as hard as I can that the plane would make it safely to the destination. When the plane safely landed and I'm on the ground, I turn Agnostic again :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439770154
49802643,49812284,2015-08-17 00:15:20,">>49812013
Seriously? Why?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439770520
49802643,49812421,2015-08-17 00:18:43,">>49802689
Asked this in an earlier thread, but any plans for a profile on Hinduism?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439770723
49802643,49812459,2015-08-17 00:19:23,">>49812284
Because Malaysia Airlines planes have a tendency to go missing. Though I hope that not many people will board my flight so that I can have more leg room and do as pic related.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,American.jpg,tDbY90QW+oXObukdlUM6wQ==,MY,,1439770763
49802643,49812550,2015-08-17 00:21:42,">>49812421
Ask Outerlimits",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439770902
49802643,49812601,2015-08-17 00:22:51,">>49812459
>Because Malaysia Airlines planes have a tendency to go missing
Yeah, but why do you pray?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439770971
49802643,49812723,2015-08-17 00:25:20,">>49812601
Out of fear and desperation.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439771120
49802643,49812925,2015-08-17 00:29:54,">>49810659
Alien or a necessary substance are much more likely candidate for ""first movers"" than an omnipotent omniscient omnipresent psychopath.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439771394
49802643,49813220,2015-08-17 00:36:35,">>49811511
Yikes, that's more scary than boarding a Malaysia Airlines flight. 
I try to let the truth shine forth and the truth said,
""O noble seeker of wisdom, the great prophet Dawkins, Darwin, Tyson and Dennett hath the truth. Read forth the Divine Words they deliver and set yourself free""
And thus I read the divine scriptures and lo and behold, I realized the truth now. O based Dawkins, Darwin, Tyson and Dennett. Thank you for sharing your Divine Nectar of wisdom with us. 
Therefore brothers and sisters let us preach the Gospel of Atheism to the world and share this Divine Gift. The nectar of life and wisdom so that all will be enlightened. 
Fear the lies and deceit of Ham and Hovind. Seek refuge in the Gem of Dawkins and let its Divine Light destroy the muck and filth of Hovind and Ham.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439771795
49802643,49813252,2015-08-17 00:37:27,">>49812925
>Alien or a necessary substance are much more likely candidate for ""first movers"" than an omnipotent omniscient omnipresent psychopath.
Perhaps the things that exist are the necessary substance?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439771847
49802643,49813441,2015-08-17 00:42:17,">>49802643
I hates evangelists of all types.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439772137
49802643,49813689,2015-08-17 00:47:49,">>49813252
Maybe, but by necessary substance I was referring to something that existed before the big bang that can naturally produce universes.
It's more parsimonious than assuming a disembodied intelligence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439772469
49802643,49813827,2015-08-17 00:51:32,,,Anonymous,checkmate atheists.jpg,oqvtknh3Kp6zufyLdHgr2w==,US,,1439772692
49802643,49814495,2015-08-17 01:08:30,">>49813827
DAMN IM CONVINCED",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439773710
49802643,49814807,2015-08-17 01:16:31,">>49813827
>their",,Anonymous,1434065287306.jpg,Te8z15tvtTfldsZECOheYA==,US,,1439774191
49802643,49815786,2015-08-17 01:41:40,Sure are a lot of threads about this tonight. Cool,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439775700
49802643,49815950,2015-08-17 01:46:01,">>49813827
that fucking smug look reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee",,Anonymous,motivationalapathycoalition.png,NpWETI8Ib6qduSqTBa5t+Q==,US,,1439775961
49802643,49817803,2015-08-17 02:46:05,">>49813220
What is this from 
?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439779565
49802643,49817896,2015-08-17 02:49:12,,,Anonymous,adults-with-imaginary-friends-are-stupid.jpg,yLv0ecM+XxgtqFJ+5CAgYQ==,SK,,1439779752
49802643,49818307,2015-08-17 03:03:14,">>49817896
Come now, that's literally r/atheism tier.
Let's be a little better then that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439780594
49802643,49818386,2015-08-17 03:05:51,">>49818307
Can't we have a little bit of fun?",,Anonymous,christianity.jpg,hE4zAlgA/fsVnwT6Is4W4g==,GB,,1439780751
49802643,49818432,2015-08-17 03:07:05,">>49817803
I made it up :) where I got the inspiration from is obvious",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439780825
49802643,49818444,2015-08-17 03:07:31,>>49813827,,Anonymous,sunsets[1].gif,TnueVy8giHgFEyGj1Zx6dw==,US,,1439780851
49802643,49818590,2015-08-17 03:11:59,">>49818432
>where I got the inspiration from is obvious
Sorry, I'm lost",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439781119
49802643,49818696,2015-08-17 03:15:42,">>49810035
>God is supernatural and eternal.
Does this mean automatically the supernatural can influence the natural?
Also if God is eternal, why at one point in the measurement of time we use did he decide to create everything? Was the universe eternal to begin with, and the bible just got it wrong?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439781342
49802643,49818794,2015-08-17 03:19:31,">>49802643
From the atheist pure science view
What's death? Since I was born once, can't I be born again?
Energy can't be created or destroyed, only transferred.
Non-existence is just impossible to comprehend",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439781571
49802643,49818908,2015-08-17 03:23:19,">>49818794
>What's death? Since I was born once, can't I be born again?
What is being born other than starting out life as an organism yet to develop to its biological full potential? You could say you are not you when you're born.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1439781799
49802643,49818909,2015-08-17 03:23:19,,,Anonymous,dawkins-cuck-2.jpg,cZj7YGmyPbsEaxSThiDtlA==,AU,,1439781799
49802643,49819047,2015-08-17 03:27:58,">>49813220
What drugs does this to people?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439782078
49802643,49819243,2015-08-17 03:35:26,">>49818590
Let's just say the Bible and Buddhism are where I draw my ideas to write that out.
>>49819047
Imagination :)",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439782526
49802643,49819416,2015-08-17 03:41:41,">>49803848
Alright /pol/, convince me this is wrong",,Anonymous,paradox_design_02_preview_featured.jpg,vZ6m891aY27f4AaNKtxlwA==,US,,1439782901
49802643,49819435,2015-08-17 03:42:16,">>49818794
Energy is something magical with a personality and a soul and feels.
Once your brain stops functioning that's it I'm afraid. There isn't a shred of evidence for anything else.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439782936
49802643,49819661,2015-08-17 03:51:33,">>49819243
You think that was imaginative?
It was simple lazy MAD LIBs nonsense where you replaced things that only apply to religious preachers to college professors and you didn't even attempt to sprinkle in a bit of humor or editorialize.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439783493
49802643,49819752,2015-08-17 03:55:53,">>49819661
Well it takes imaginative power to do that shit.
Make hymn to Dawkins or something that is imaginative then.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439783753
49802643,49819820,2015-08-17 03:58:37,">>49819752
This is what I sing when I'm worshipping Dawkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tIwYNioDL8",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439783917
49802643,49819868,2015-08-17 04:01:19,">>49819752
No, it takes a basic formula, simple juxtaposition, and a lack of context, insight, or imagination.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439784079
49802643,49819900,2015-08-17 04:03:03,">>49819820
That's some trippy shit m8. I love it.
Heil Dawkins.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439784183
49802643,49819971,2015-08-17 04:06:06,">>49819868
All that shit of course requires imagination like it or not. As long as I'm conceptualizing or visualizing something with my mind, I'm using muh imagination even if I'm using it badly.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439784366
49802643,49820063,2015-08-17 04:09:53,">>49819971
I only said you had two things (everything else listed was something that you lacked) and neither requires imagination because neither comes from yourself, a computer script could have easily don't what you did.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439784593
49802643,49820231,2015-08-17 04:16:24,">>49820063
Same with imagination. You need contact with an object or its external environment in order for your mind to have the appropriate information required for one to utilize imaginative powers.
This is the same with using a basic formula or juxtaposition. I would need to visualize and conceptualize whatever information I had in my mind or whatever in the process of actualizing it. So technically I need to use imagination, even if the product ended up like shit.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439784984
49802643,49820248,2015-08-17 04:17:15,">>49820231
>Information is still obtained from experience with the external environment and its objects.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439785035
49802643,49820257,2015-08-17 04:17:33,">>49802643
Is this like a religious gathering for atheists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439785053
49802643,49820330,2015-08-17 04:20:05,">>49819820
awesome",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1439785205
49802643,49820348,2015-08-17 04:20:47,">>49804400
Seriously. They're more evangelistic than most religions. I wish they'd stop forcing their beliefs down our throats.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439785247
49802643,49820433,2015-08-17 04:24:18,">>49820231
According to your logic, technically the 4chan servers have a greater imagination than you do and the USS Enterprise is real.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439785458
49802643,49820450,2015-08-17 04:24:56,">>49820348
What? Religions baptise and brainwash newborns and we're forcing beliefs because we talk about them?",,Anonymous,994453_308140182686459_1848472401436166560_n.jpg,H7SJ80Ux13L8v8yatxrczg==,GR,,1439785496
49802643,49820478,2015-08-17 04:25:59,">>49820348
Let me know when every church, mosque and synagogue has shut down and no politicians mention god and there are no programs about religion on TV and all the ten command statues have been taken down and all the religious schools shut and there is no religious advertising anywhere.
Then I'll shut up",,Anonymous,old vs new.jpg,7qO1pWEOv7gtnWaUjku/Pg==,GB,,1439785559
49802643,49820657,2015-08-17 04:34:20,">>49820433
Technically they do though it depends on the programming of those servers. If they could generate predictions based on the information they received then yes, they have some form of imaginative power. 
However here's the thing, can the 4Chan servers generate new ideas on the basis of information it received or would it just make predictions based on calculations and its programming? If so then it's imaginative power is greater than that of a human being. If not then too bad, their imaginative powers are simply stronger in terms of how fast these calculations go since they aren't really generating new ideas. 
Can it also make shit up as I did? If not then it certainly doesn't count as having more imaginative power than me. Unless it is programmed to generate such shit in the first place.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439786060
49802643,49820917,2015-08-17 04:46:45,">>49820657
>If so then it's imaginative power is greater than that of a human being.
We weren't talking about a human being, we were talking about your drug fueled nonsense that didn't generate new ideas or make predictions or calculations outside of formulaic juxtaposition programming.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439786805
49802643,49821061,2015-08-17 04:51:49,">>49820917
Here's the thing, technically as long as I'm envisioning something in my mind while making all that shit up, I'm already using imagination since I'm visualizing the stuff that I'm typing down. 
Whether the stuff I wrote is a new idea or not would be of course debatable given that it can go both ways. However fact remains that I still utilized my imaginative faculties in making that up. 
The only way for you to say I didn't use imagination is that I didn't conjure any images in my mind when I made all that shit up but that's impossible. Anything we talk about will invoke imagery of the said object within our mind. Any narration or story you read will invoke some imagery in your mind and it would be the same in their construction.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439787109
49802643,49821244,2015-08-17 05:00:07,">>49820257
For the autistic ones, yes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439787607
49802643,49821250,2015-08-17 05:00:25,">>49821061
I never said you didn't try to technically use what has come to be internalized to your ego as your own imagination, I said you weren't very imaginative which is to say there is a high degree of inventiveness and creativeness that your personal experience of imagination, which you admit is no more imaginative than random internet servers and is only the result of mechanical technicalities, lacks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439787625
49802643,49821339,2015-08-17 05:04:28,">>49821061
>Here's the thing, technically as long as I'm envisioning something in my mind while making all that shit up, I'm already using imagination since I'm visualizing the stuff that I'm typing down.
Yes, and you're forgetting the second step, checking reality to see whether the two are consistent with each other",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439787868
49802643,49821391,2015-08-17 05:06:57,">>49821250
Then you could've just said that instead of what you said here,
>>49819868",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439788017
49802643,49821424,2015-08-17 05:08:45,">>49821339
Why would I need to do that? I mean if I'm just writing something like a shitty story, whether or not it is consistent with reality, it doesn't matter.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439788125
49802643,49821427,2015-08-17 05:08:49,">>
honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788129
49802643,49821437,2015-08-17 05:09:20,">>49821427
>>49821424
honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made XD",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788160
49802643,49821442,2015-08-17 05:09:26,">>49802643
Another Church of Atheism thread. Great.
I know you guys are insecure, but is this the best place to look for validation? You're just going to get reamed again. But perhaps that's what you want?
Interesting theory. Atheism is caused by abusive parents. Rejection of society as a substitute for rejecting the big meanies that hurt you.",,Anonymous,1426600411736.jpg,ZWUXdUu5jo0aOS08UxYA8Q==,US,,1439788166
49802643,49821456,2015-08-17 05:10:07,">>49805389
Strong everything.
An atheist who is reasonably intelligent (this isn't a given) and who has self concern should not be easily drawn into antagonizing religious people... It should be a challenge to draw an atheist into this sort of thing.
I'm an atheist but above all I want to know the truth. These threads don't represent that.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439788207
49802643,49821467,2015-08-17 05:10:35,">>49804722
honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O
cl",,Anonymous,1439174907977.jpg,3itRpaGULiWIw38lg8m+vw==,US,,1439788235
49802643,49821479,2015-08-17 05:11:06,>>49821442,,Anonymous,Projecting.jpg,0z0PbJ6ysG0h8KBhoPyS0A==,NL,,1439788266
49802643,49821481,2015-08-17 05:11:07,">>49821442
LOL",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788267
49802643,49821488,2015-08-17 05:11:21,">>49808781
why is it that people like you believe that atheism has anything to do with your stance on other completely unrelated issues?
you can be a christian and believe in life on other planets
anyway, the likelihood of life in other planets is pretty high purely from a mathematical point of view if we consider the number of planets in the universe and how long it took life to appear on our planet. This doesnt mean ""believing"" in the sense of blindly believing a supernatural entity (that has more evidence against it than for it) but just considering what is more likely to exist according to evidence and logic. Noone is saying there is definitely life out there, just that its very likely that there is.
>>49808857
>Because they are morans.
>I will believe in INTELLIGENT life
he didnt say anything about intelligent life
are aus the masters of shitpost or romas?",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1439788281
49802643,49821516,2015-08-17 05:12:23,">>49821456d јust like tο interјect fοr a mοment. What yοu're referring tο as spam, is in fact, copypasta/spam, οr as Ι've recently taken tο calling it, copypasta plus spam. Spam is nοt a shitposting system untο itself, but rather anοther free cοmpοnent οf a fully functiοning ironic shitposting system made useful by the moot, lel [a/jp] namefigs and vital kek cοmpοnents cοmprising a full board as defined by /s4s/.
Many anonymous users use a mοdified versiοn οf the ironic shitposting system every day, withοut realizing it. Τhrοugh a peculiar turn οf events, the versiοn οf ironic shitposting which is widely used tοday is οften called ""Spam"", and many οf its users are nοt aware that it is basically the ironic shitpostings system, develοped by the Gippo Dudee Ρrοјect.
Τhere really is spam, and these peοple are using it, but it is јust a part οf the irony they use. Spam is the core: the ingredient in the irony that allοcates the reader's braincells tο the nearest bin. Τhe core is an essential part οf a shitposting system, but useless by itself; it can οnly functiοn in the cοntext οf a cοmplete ironic shitposting system. Spam is nοrmally used in cοmbinatiοn with the ironic shitposting οperating system: the whοle system is basically ironic shitposting with spam added, οr Ironic shitposting/Spam. All the sο-called ""Spam"" copypastas are really copypastas οf Ironic shitposting/Spam.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788343
49802643,49821525,2015-08-17 05:12:41,">>49821391
No, I meant what I said there, look up the definition of lack, it means deficiency and for a poster to only be as imaginative, insightful, or capable of calculating context as the web server that is passing along their information, there must be a serious deficiency.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788361
49802643,49821532,2015-08-17 05:12:54,>>49821479,,Anonymous,feelings_report.jpg,WHpKjh+eF9dd9TVMXQ8X9Q==,US,,1439788374
49802643,49821549,2015-08-17 05:13:37,>>49821516,,Anonymous,1425196680592.jpg,P0/jktkbwx22QjfOqGAkxg==,US,,1439788417
49802643,49821558,2015-08-17 05:13:58,>>honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788438
49802643,49821575,2015-08-17 05:14:29,>>49821532,,Anonymous,e9ydq.jpg,TTNZj0+U5utAR2ztM59I3w==,NL,,1439788469
49802643,49821608,2015-08-17 05:15:52,>>49821549ransliterateFull screen closeMíng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā tāmen zìjǐ de tāmen zìjǐ de Woops Woops poopie qǔdé O_O O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā jiéshùle tāmen de poopie shǐ tāmen Woops poopie qǔdé O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā tāmen zìjǐ de tāmen zìjǐ de Woops Woops poopie qǔdé O_O poopie qǔdé O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā tāmen zìjǐ de tāmen zìjǐ de Woops Woops poopie qǔdé O_O O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā jiéshùle tāmen de poopie shǐ tāmen Woops poopie qǔdé O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā tāmen zìjǐ de tāmen zìjǐ de Woops Woops poopie qǔdé O_O poopie qǔdé O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā tāmen zìjǐ de tāmen zìjǐ de Woops Woops poopie qǔdé O_O O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā jiéshùle tāmen de poopie shǐ tāmen Woops poopie qǔdé O_O míng lǎbā míng lǎbā míng lǎbā mí,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788552
49802643,49821634,2015-08-17 05:16:52,">>49804400
Notice how most of the posters ITT are Americans.
It's because American atheists are frustrated at how many of you still believe in God.
And you're right I couldn't care less what you believe.",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1439788612
49802643,49821646,2015-08-17 05:17:13,">>49821525
Yes this is perhaps the case to you. However,
Does the server have the capabilities as I do that is it can make the shit up or a simple and basic story on its own?
If not then too bad, I'm still more imaginative than that. Sure perhaps what I had typed is shit but a server wouldn't even have such a capacity in the first place to do that. Unless of course it is programmed to do that but once it can, it is as imaginative as any human writer would be, probably even more.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439788633
49802643,49821650,2015-08-17 05:17:25,">>49821339
Way to tired to talk much will say this what ma;yaasa says is basically Humes philosophy which itself is a major player in scientific method. tldr=we dont know the universe we only know our memory of the universe. Hume is kind of our buddy, he pushed rationality and logic as high values
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3QZ2Ko-FOg
>>49812421
soon
>>49821061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrsbCK5Hrg
hey watched this so in orthodoxy why did jesus die?
off 2 bed will read replies in morning",,OuterLimits,1439583626451.jpg,6AIuevo8e2y50r9UCc7aTg==,US,,1439788645
49802643,49821698,2015-08-17 05:18:54,>>>honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O honk honk honk eor eor eor woops poopie made O_O,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788734
49802643,49821745,2015-08-17 05:20:37,">>49821650OOP!!!!!!!
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WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788837
49802643,49821788,2015-08-17 05:21:46,">>49821745
i lol'd",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439788906
49802643,49821806,2015-08-17 05:22:22,"I figured out that I didn't believe any more at camp . Someone said when you die your brain is just destroyed, and for whatever reason that really hit home. 
I spent my first year or so of college being le-meme athiest, only to figure out that I was being kind of a dick. That's when I decided that I don't care about other people's beliefs unless they somehow effect me. 
I think I needed that one year of being a le-meme atheist though. It was my way of letting off steam. It's kind of a crazy realization feeling when you know you don't believe anymore. 
I matured however, and I don't care to spend much time arguing about my beliefs with other people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439788942
49802643,49821861,2015-08-17 05:24:39,>>49821575,,Anonymous,your-tears.jpg,hZFJn8SujXVjt+6Zw4cPuw==,US,,1439789079
49802643,49821878,2015-08-17 05:25:27,">>49821608
>everyone look at me!
>look!
>darn it! look at me!1!",,Anonymous,10xdnav_th.gif,7eThC8hOC5o8DRKVNZKnqQ==,US,,1439789127
49802643,49821892,2015-08-17 05:25:52,">>49821745
P",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439789152
49802643,49821907,2015-08-17 05:26:22,">>49821892
O",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439789182
49802643,49821924,2015-08-17 05:26:58,">>49821907
O",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439789218
49802643,49821928,2015-08-17 05:27:11,">>49821634
Most of the posters are American because we dominate everything.
What's the population of your ""country""? Ten or so?",,Anonymous,police.jpg,cStYrmExPaPdh7Llgz+CAg==,US,,1439789231
49802643,49821930,2015-08-17 05:27:15,">>49810659
God is just some outdated synonym for singularity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439789235
49802643,49821934,2015-08-17 05:27:25,">>49821924
P",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439789245
49802643,49821949,2015-08-17 05:28:05,>>49802643,,Anonymous,1388136848852.jpg,qcvwk+ii6ngAYHnY/lMKvQ==,AU,,1439789285
49802643,49821973,2015-08-17 05:29:05,">>49821650
>off 2 bed will read replies in morning
We can't wait, Your Wretchedness.",,Anonymous,you.png,IORE5bOTSMLm1K+RtOO/Og==,US,,1439789345
49802643,49822007,2015-08-17 05:30:40,>>49821949,,Anonymous,face-2.jpg,uWib/bl/aJjm0nYGcg9ePw==,US,,1439789440
49802643,49822125,2015-08-17 05:35:55,">>49821650
Anyways I have seen that video before. 
Basically the Protestant view is that man pissed off God, God is so angry he can't look upon man and Jesus thus comes to suffer so that God wouldn't be pissed anymore. Those who accept Jesus thus will be spared by God's wrath. Those who don't dies. 
The Orthodox view seem to be that man screwed up the whole of Creation, the whole of Creation descends with him. God tries to stop shit from getting worse by sending Jesus who becomes intimate with us to the point of experiencing death with us to lift us up from it. 
The Orthodox view seems to make more sense over the Protestant one. At least God is loving here and is trying to save human beings if we assume the story to be true.",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439789755
49802643,49822395,2015-08-17 05:48:07,">>49822125
This is why you shouldn't listen to Man to know God.
Humans lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. Fucking with the Words of God to get a cushy life is just fine.
Ironically for this board, Jews do that least of all races and religions.
Probably why this board doesn't like them. They aren't easily manipulated and the dindus don't like dat.",,Anonymous,godiswatching.jpg,bpDKiXisZ9DBwFxqw7P1sg==,US,,1439790487
49802643,49822425,2015-08-17 05:49:37,">>49822395
So how to know God?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439790577
49802643,49822604,2015-08-17 05:57:15,">>49822425
It's all in our Bible.
God only wants us to be happy and be kind to our fellow humans.
Any other obligation laid down is laid by Man and not valid.",,Anonymous,1417589636496.jpg,ble+71M9qdftDRjn/sR93g==,US,,1439791035
49802643,49822742,2015-08-17 06:02:31,">>49822604
But so many people read the Bible and they all come up differing and contradicting interpretations. How can I know what I get is right?",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439791351
49802643,49822857,2015-08-17 06:08:08,">>49806883
yes",,Anonymous,1409777714875.jpg,g4vyGMX42CqnMgiY+Cjr4w==,NL,,1439791688
49802643,49822987,2015-08-17 06:14:02,">>49822604
>God only wants us to be happy
>implying biblical god valued happiness over obedience
You think he destroyed civilization with a flood because the people weren't happy enough?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439792042
49802643,49823063,2015-08-17 06:17:50,Why bother making these on /pol/ it's just bait really go post on /r/atheism etc...,,Anonymous,1434049054828.jpg,yo8aIZA5z5o2qn0tUwaNSQ==,GB,,1439792270
49802643,49823116,2015-08-17 06:19:48,">>49823063
God I love that picture
> Those girls giving them thumbs up",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1439792388
49802643,49823125,2015-08-17 06:20:04,">>49822742
Read it yourself",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1439792404
49802643,49823147,2015-08-17 06:21:12,">>49821650
>you can't know anything
>rational
I think you're meaning the intellectual wasteland that is the rule of chaos",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1439792472
49802643,49823157,2015-08-17 06:21:42,">>49823063
>those girls in the background
hahahahahahahahaah",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439792502
49802643,49823487,2015-08-17 06:35:40,">>49822742
>people read the Bible and they all come up differing and contradicting interpretations
It's the 'interpreting' part.
It was written in a simple time, for simple people. Nothing needs analyzed. There are no hidden meanings.
Read Ecclesiastes in today's version of your native language. That's it.",,Anonymous,god.jpg,+Mc32m4syoS8jf+7J3oLew==,US,,1439793340
49802643,49823523,2015-08-17 06:37:22,">>49822987
Do you take everything anyone says literally? Or only when it reinforces your biases?
What if it didn't happen, but was a story that teaches a lesson? Like our own fables?",,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,jOUdXK5VRjZ34luZBOAFSQ==,US,,1439793442
49802643,49823567,2015-08-17 06:39:11,">>49823487
Luther and Calvin thought the same and they ended up with two different interpretations!",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439793551
49802643,49823595,2015-08-17 06:40:17,">>49823523
what lesson does the Flood story teach?
>this should be good",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439793617
49802643,49823615,2015-08-17 06:40:44,">>49823523
Do you always use vague nonsense to avoid accountability? Or only when your biases are challenged?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439793644
49802643,49823778,2015-08-17 06:48:36,">>49823567
>interpretations
There are no interpretations. That's the mistake they make.
It's like misinterpreting a sunny day.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439794116
49802643,49823835,2015-08-17 06:51:50,">>49823778
Sunny days give me a headache, some people are literally allergic to them, and if you fly in an airplane on a sunny day you are exposed to more radiation than an x ray.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439794310
49802643,49823838,2015-08-17 06:52:05,">>49823595
You obviously don't know anything about what you scorn. It makes you look stupid and most people won't bother with you.
I will, though.
The people of those days were killing themselves with immorality. In those days, ""immorality"" was defined as things that killed your society and culture.
The Flood was a clean start. Everyone likes a do-over.",,Anonymous,athiest3.jpg,fjroaA3yjA9/N3rIl8f2hw==,US,,1439794325
49802643,49823873,2015-08-17 06:53:42,">>49823615
I made a statement.
You attacked with no substance.
I called you stupid.
Now your feelings are hurt.
Sorry, princess. Had you not been a jerk this whole unpleasantness could have been avoided.",,Anonymous,feelings (2).jpg,yd3zDde464TUXKCaLK8ToQ==,US,,1439794422
49802643,49823932,2015-08-17 06:55:54,">>49823838
>everyone got a do-over
>everyone except Noah and his family are drowned
>God unaccountably kills all the animals too
Were the animals ""killing themselves with immorality"" too? Kek",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439794554
49802643,49823935,2015-08-17 06:55:59,">>49823835
>Sunny days give me a headache
Then you are genetically unviable. A mistake. A dead-end in the path of evolution.
>some people are literally allergic to them
Same answer.
>nd if you fly in an airplane on a sunny day you are exposed to more radiation than an x ray.
But it's still perfectly safe, so why worry about it?",,Anonymous,jesus (3).jpg,+ZhuDRq8nkS23D4VsyytXg==,US,,1439794559
49802643,49823971,2015-08-17 06:57:25,">>49823932
It was a story.
Do you cry over the death of Goldilocks?
How stupid are you?",,Anonymous,retarded.jpg,fblrsbMPRpMnefGIEXI3Dg==,US,,1439794645
49802643,49824010,2015-08-17 06:58:48,">theism requires believing in consciousness independent of existence
>existence precedes consciousness (consciousness is always consciousness of something)
>ergo theism is false",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1439794728
49802643,49824067,2015-08-17 07:01:58,">>49823873
The substance that made you so mad because it completely contradicted your faulty assertion literally came from a story in the bible which is why you avoided it directly and appealed to muh metaphor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439794918
49802643,49824144,2015-08-17 07:05:29,">>49824067
Sorry, I don't speak whatever dialect you typed that in.
Try English.",,Anonymous,genius-aefa.jpg,LqfEbFpq6Gq97Vq29VXjug==,US,,1439795129
49802643,49824166,2015-08-17 07:06:48,">>49823935
That doesn't take away from the validity of the interpretation or affect other perspectives.
Its not perfectly safe for pilots and the sun is dangerous to everyone and causes cancer at high doses, so the entire human race, but especially crispy little white people, are dead-end and unviable in the long term according to that logic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439795208
49802643,49824204,2015-08-17 07:08:34,">>49823971
its a shit story with a ridiculously confused message
it reads a lot more like an embellished account of an actual event (i.e. a flood that really happened) than it does any kind of tale of morality. A far better example of God giving everyone a do over is Jesus sacrificing himself. God specifically doesn't give everyone a do-over in the story of Noah because HE FUCKING DROWNS ALL OF THEM EXCEPT NOAHS FAMILY
>do you cry over the death of Goldilocks?
are you seriouslt comparing the Bible with a childrens tale? WTF is the moral behind Goldilocks anyway, no breaking and entering? Don't trifle with bears? In any case we aren't basing entire religions and moral systems on fucking Goldilocks",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439795314
49802643,49824238,2015-08-17 07:09:48,">>49824144
Sorry, muh is an internet forum colloquialism for when someone stupid takes credit for a stupid argument like how you excused your previous fallacies and truth assertions because the source materials were just metaphors.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439795388
49802643,49824246,2015-08-17 07:10:16,">>49823778
Sigh here goes something but,
a)Whenever any text is read it would be interpreted by a mind that would make sense of it
b)The Bible is in the form of a written text
c)Therefore to make sense of the Bible is to interpret it",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439795416
49802643,49824364,2015-08-17 07:15:39,">>49802643
""Agnostic atheism"" doesn't make sense.
>the question is unanswerable, but the answer is ""no""",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1439795739
49802643,49824465,2015-08-17 07:19:54,">>49824166
Flying at high altitude is safe, anon.
Your point wasn't well thought out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439795994
49802643,49824495,2015-08-17 07:21:50,">>49824238
I honestly can't understand what you're typing.
Literacy is very important. It's how you communicate ideas.
Clear communication means a clear mind.
You've done too much meth, or skipped too much school.
Pic related.",,Anonymous,school.jpg,JxqWIzIO0XxMzVtujtdoAw==,US,,1439796110
49802643,49824563,2015-08-17 07:25:29,">>49824246
>a)Whenever any text is read it would be interpreted by a mind that would make sense of it
If someone texts ""It's a sunny day"", does that need interpretation? Or does is say what it says? Complicate that out to a weather report. Or a tech manual. 
No interpretation needed unless it's been intentionally obscured.
>b)The Bible is in the form of a written text
Thanks, Captain.
>c)Therefore to make sense of the Bible is to interpret it
To you, there is no text, ever, that doesn't need to be flavored with your bias. 
Ok.",,Anonymous,francisbacon.jpg,31Im90QSgbG54WahsgJbiA==,US,,1439796329
49802643,49824698,2015-08-17 07:31:48,"ITT: Christcucks showing themselves for the Jews they are with their extensive use of pilpul
it's funny how much they argue like Jews",,Anonymous,1387259917245.png,WOjDScH9Dl7+j+DjYa8+qQ==,US,,1439796708
49802643,49824703,2015-08-17 07:31:59,">>49821442
This picture is my parting gift to you God-less atheists.
We'll pick this up tomorrow, or so help me God, you'll pay.
Oh. Yes. You'll pay.
Or not. Whatever.",,Anonymous,1432967184991.jpg,LzQvKKv+noVRhN4CAln2Yw==,US,,1439796719
49802643,49824719,2015-08-17 07:32:42,>>49824703,,Anonymous,1385970546582.png,dvK05yCRzdkt/b/VWXhdmw==,US,,1439796762
49802643,49824755,2015-08-17 07:34:19,">tfw where you live, everybody makes fun of christians
>like 70% of the population is non-religious 
feels great",,Anonymous,1415379255432s.jpg,XqR+N9MF1fuvUMcWIX7Lxw==,NL,,1439796859
49802643,49825085,2015-08-17 07:47:00,">>49824563
I never knew the Bible is a children's book that's so easy to read.
Here's the thing genius, it's not and it doesn't take half a brain to know this!
Reading the entire history of Christianity would show you this.
For your view to be true, there must be no difference in interpretation even amongst Luther and Calvin. Yet what we got? The exact opposite. Even the Church Fathers in general never took Scripture to be such in the first place! Irenaeus is one of the exception to this rule but he totally goes against Protestantism by also noting the importance of Tradition and how false churches will have differing interpretations of the Bible itself! Hey wait, we already get those from Protestants like you where the differing interpretations are so great, there's so many different versions of Jesus being preached by the Protestants. Is Calvin right? Wesley? Luther? or you? Since you are a Sola Scripturist, where then is your warrant of disagreeing with Luther or Calvin in their interpretation of the Bible? What warrant you have for even claiming my interpretation to be wrong? Here a hint, none because Luther, Calvin and I would derive whatever we think about the Bible from the Bible itself. Because ""The Bible tells me so!""
It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to realize that the Bible is very complex. Even Irenaeus' own interpretations of the Bible shows that he certainly did not treat it as you do even if it is ""not complicated"".",,Overseas Malaysiafag,,,MY,,1439797620
49802643,49827472,2015-08-17 08:59:32,"Statistically, atheism morally wins according to this photo.",,Anonymous,1216516116426.jpg,tgzFJSOEFdPUsrlUnxs8wQ==,GB,,1439801972
49918858,49918858,2015-08-18 22:38:59,">Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
In theory an atheist can adopt any form of morality or philosophy. Pretty much the entire field of philosophy is open to them. Even religious ideals can be adopted: 'cultural Christianity' 'atheist Christianity' or more secular religions like Taoism.
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about various religions and comparing their merits comparisons.
>Why do you how x?. How do you y?
There are some questions that get asked virtually every thread. Please check the faq.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,OuterLimits,starter.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1439937539
49918858,49918882,2015-08-18 22:39:27,God is self-evident.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439937567
49918858,49918899,2015-08-18 22:39:42,"*****UPDATE:
*New Art!
*The History and Literary Analysis part of our videos have 4 great new videos: one on the evolution of Satan, one on the evolution of Jesus, one on the plagiarism in Noah's Ark, and one on Nietzsche's literature analysis of Jesus, a historical Jesus.
*An Index Has been added to the Fun stuff & religion's profile section
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ about Aquinas, The Myth of religious objectivity is added, and about The Myth of religion giving 'meaning'
*Hinduism entry added to religious profiles
 
>THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
>VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
>BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
>PROFILES OF RELIGIONS
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
Includes profiles for various religions. Also lists a few religions we find
compatible such as Deism, Pure Agnosticism, and non-superstitious spirituality.
>NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
>SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>STUPID IDEAS IN ATHEISM
http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
There are a lot of misconceptions atheists spout ie 'all babies are born atheist'. This lists them.
>ASSORTED ESSAYS
http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins
*new content*
Responses to Common Arguments,The Religious Landscape
Response to Theists Free Will Argument
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0 *new*
>FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the lulz, atheist humor anything else irrelevant we can think of.
>IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more!
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,stats.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1439937582
49918858,49919028,2015-08-18 22:42:20,">>49918882
>>49918882
Which god? Vishnu? Ahura Mazda? The Demiurge? The Jewish Yahweh? The Christian Yahweh? The Muslims Yahweh? The unknown God of the Deists?",,OuterLimits,circle-152358922786_xlarge.jpg,5aiBE8LUhoHRv8Glm0nlXg==,US,,1439937740
49918858,49919357,2015-08-18 22:49:26,"the meaning of your life is whatever you want it to be. Just because there is no god doesn't thereby mean your life is meaningless. If you think the value of your life is dependent upon whether or not there is a god, then frankly that's really PATHETIC.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439938166
49918858,49920109,2015-08-18 23:06:30,"http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0170:text=Euthyph.
Based dialogue by Plato where he BTFO the idea of religious morality literally 2400 years ago. Theists still haven't found a convincing answer to the dilemma Socrates presents.",,Anonymous,The_Death_of_Socrates_cropped.jpg,BSAV6TOeW37Q0T2Eq8U/rg==,CA,,1439939190
49918858,49920225,2015-08-18 23:09:00,">>49918858
^not understanding the concept of an agnostic theist^",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439939340
49918858,49920428,2015-08-18 23:13:23,">>49920109
It continually amazes me that the religious manage to be on the wrong side of every scientific, or even social position they feel strongly about, from cosmology to biology to slavery to women's rights, gay rights, you name it, yet they seem to never learn.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1439939603
49918858,49920483,2015-08-18 23:14:47,,,Anonymous,dawkins-cuck-2.jpg,cZj7YGmyPbsEaxSThiDtlA==,AU,,1439939687
49918858,49921140,2015-08-18 23:30:33,">>49920428
It's not just religion. It happens to everyone that believes in an ideology so strongly that they try to make reality to fit into it; and refuse to accept that reality might be more nuanced than they think.",,Anonymous,chen2.png,7lM2J3kLKTB7En1UrpAy1g==,CA,,1439940633
49918858,49921250,2015-08-18 23:33:06,Fuck of nigger.,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1439940786
49918858,49921299,2015-08-18 23:34:03,">>49920109
The link doesn't really discuss religion did you mean to link to another section of the text?
>>49920428
That's a bit of a straw-man and also you are misusing the word religion when you probably meant to say ""Christianity"". There has been better results of science from the Greeks (they didn't have strong dogmas so they were free to question everything and even had an early theory for evolution where the Gods designed animals by trial and error and selected the ones best fit for survival). Eastern religions tend to do better on ethics.
Although there is some debate about whether we have even reached the right position on gay, woman, and slave rights. Women voting has been a disaster for instance.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439940843
49918858,49921696,2015-08-18 23:43:14,">>49918882
Harry Potter is self evident",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1439941394
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49918858,49921757,2015-08-18 23:44:38,">>49920483
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POOooooooP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941517
49918858,49921812,2015-08-18 23:46:05,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOoooooooooooooop!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941565
49918858,49921825,2015-08-18 23:46:19,">>49918858
TAKBIR",,The Kashmiri,,,IN,,1439941579
49918858,49921835,2015-08-18 23:46:31,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
CRAP!!!!!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941591
49918858,49921856,2015-08-18 23:47:00,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
SHart!!!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941620
49918858,49921872,2015-08-18 23:47:23,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
PooooooooooooooooooP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941643
49918858,49921884,2015-08-18 23:47:47,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOPOPOPOPOPOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941667
49918858,49921904,2015-08-18 23:48:09,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POoPIES",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941689
49918858,49921923,2015-08-18 23:48:35,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! :)",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941715
49918858,49921941,2015-08-18 23:49:02,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOoooP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941742
49918858,49921959,2015-08-18 23:49:33,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! POOOOOOOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941773
49918858,49921981,2015-08-18 23:50:06,">>49921757
Lies.",,Anonymous,5ZuN6MO.jpg,0JJaL6oWXVMhyG86vRIGdQ==,RU,,1439941806
49918858,49921982,2015-08-18 23:50:08,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
SHAT!!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941808
49918858,49922010,2015-08-18 23:50:42,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! pooop!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941842
49918858,49922024,2015-08-18 23:51:05,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941865
49918858,49922043,2015-08-18 23:51:29,">>49921825
P O O I N L O O
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49918858,49922046,2015-08-18 23:51:34,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! POOOOOOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941894
49918858,49922054,2015-08-18 23:51:43,,,Anonymous,gunfree.gif,lXd3U6cmSOyhpjBo3JwFYg==,US,,1439941903
49918858,49922084,2015-08-18 23:52:30,,,Anonymous,djYPOH6.jpg,f6cEHwRPFF+fJYqbajpYBQ==,US,,1439941950
49918858,49922088,2015-08-18 23:52:36,">>49918858
This is just pathetic. May you burn in hell for all eternity and suffer the most painful torture possible constantly for your crimes against mighty God and attempts to steer people into damnation with you.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1439941956
49918858,49922099,2015-08-18 23:53:04,,,Anonymous,atheism.jpg,gycp2JTZLqIn4vBTdHKvZQ==,US,,1439941984
49918858,49922113,2015-08-18 23:53:17,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439941997
49918858,49922134,2015-08-18 23:53:48,,,Anonymous,retardatheists.png,jRlI1sYCdIwp4IYyuYSS+Q==,US,,1439942028
49918858,49922135,2015-08-18 23:53:48,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! puup! :D",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942028
49918858,49922151,2015-08-18 23:54:11,,,Anonymous,1439740443109.jpg,4vba4MbePhkkU+LA1B0+cA==,US,,1439942051
49918858,49922153,2015-08-18 23:54:12,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! puuuupie",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942052
49918858,49922170,2015-08-18 23:54:50,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! pupupupupupupupuppupupup!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942090
49918858,49922190,2015-08-18 23:55:10,">>49921299
It starts at the beginning, fam.
>>49921757
>believing quotes on the internet
Still, I enjoy that graphic because I imagine it triggers /r/atheists who think that just being an atheist makes them a better person than a theist.",,Anonymous,chen.png,klVp7mE0w6SZGG3VfTn0ew==,CA,,1439942110
49918858,49922192,2015-08-18 23:55:11,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! poooooooooooooooooooooop!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942111
49918858,49922218,2015-08-18 23:55:43,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! pew!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942143
49918858,49922234,2015-08-18 23:56:07,,,Anonymous,doeirpele.png,bA4fAH8lneEqYvsooDaePQ==,US,,1439942167
49918858,49922235,2015-08-18 23:56:11,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! SPLURGE!!!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942171
49918858,49922238,2015-08-18 23:56:15,,,Anonymous,kikechan2.png,YbETkwxN2xMEzSvp4KcAuw==,RU,,1439942175
49918858,49922258,2015-08-18 23:56:38,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! SLURGE!!!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942198
49918858,49922267,2015-08-18 23:56:50,,,Anonymous,kikechan5.png,TLlfRPnKM3Bs3vLuL9bKTA==,RU,,1439942210
49918858,49922277,2015-08-18 23:57:04,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! SHARTED!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942224
49918858,49922299,2015-08-18 23:57:33,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! PUPIES",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942253
49918858,49922302,2015-08-18 23:57:35,,,Anonymous,whyimchristian.jpg,ceJ4buRPT5BFs5FMttSEqg==,US,,1439942255
49918858,49922318,2015-08-18 23:58:04,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! HERROW",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942284
49918858,49922325,2015-08-18 23:58:14,"God bless you, >>49921941.
Also everyone remember to sage.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439942294
49918858,49922328,2015-08-18 23:58:23,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! wpwp",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942303
49918858,49922336,2015-08-18 23:58:30,">>49918858
Great thread you have here guys, wouldn't expect any less quality.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1439942310
49918858,49922354,2015-08-18 23:58:52,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! pewpew",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942332
49918858,49922367,2015-08-18 23:59:12,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942352
49918858,49922384,2015-08-18 23:59:34,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! puuuuuuruerp",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942374
49918858,49922401,2015-08-18 23:59:48,,,Anonymous,29.png,Sf2UadtNlwG0qVB1sTh8lQ==,US,,1439942388
49918858,49922406,2015-08-18 23:59:55,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! pow",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942395
49918858,49922421,2015-08-19 00:00:13,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942413
49918858,49922427,2015-08-19 00:00:18,>>49922401,,Anonymous,cechkmate atheist.jpg,sS/FaareZrPYhvMFAIzdKA==,US,,1439942418
49918858,49922444,2015-08-19 00:00:36,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! 50x",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942436
49918858,49922472,2015-08-19 00:01:06,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! pppo",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942466
49918858,49922481,2015-08-19 00:01:25,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! AHEAHEAHE",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942485
49918858,49922494,2015-08-19 00:01:45,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! popopoopop",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942505
49918858,49922514,2015-08-19 00:02:07,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! hewhewhew",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942527
49918858,49922525,2015-08-19 00:02:25,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! ppppppepwpwpeppwppepwpeppw",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942545
49918858,49922543,2015-08-19 00:02:49,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! I AM THE PAGE",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942569
49918858,49922560,2015-08-19 00:03:08,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! PAGES",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942588
49918858,49922571,2015-08-19 00:03:27,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! REEEEEEEE",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942607
49918858,49922587,2015-08-19 00:03:45,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! hewhewhewhew",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942625
49918858,49922588,2015-08-19 00:03:46,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! poooooooooooooooooooooop!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439942626
49918858,49922605,2015-08-19 00:04:14,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! puuup",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942654
49918858,49922618,2015-08-19 00:04:34,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! poooooooooooooooooooooop! XDDD",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942674
49918858,49922628,2015-08-19 00:04:49,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! hewhewhehwhehwhehhwhehwhhe",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942689
49918858,49922647,2015-08-19 00:05:21,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! UUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPEEE",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942721
49918858,49922654,2015-08-19 00:05:32,Remember to report spam. It is against 4chan's rules.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1439942732
49918858,49922674,2015-08-19 00:05:55,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
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POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! new post",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942755
49918858,49922690,2015-08-19 00:06:16,DONT CARE,,Huntard,,,US,,1439942776
49918858,49922699,2015-08-19 00:06:32,>>49922674,,Anonymous,stop.jpg,eOR0cMKgLxf97n8gGfPS7A==,MX,,1439942792
49918858,49922710,2015-08-19 00:06:49,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! YOU i am art",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942809
49918858,49922725,2015-08-19 00:07:13,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! kill the muslims",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942833
49918858,49922744,2015-08-19 00:07:37,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! Throw osama down the well",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942857
49918858,49922765,2015-08-19 00:08:04,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! osama is dead :)))))",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942884
49918858,49922787,2015-08-19 00:08:32,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! hewhewhewhew i am invincible",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942912
49918858,49922805,2015-08-19 00:08:56,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! huehuehue i am a wing",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942936
49918858,49922820,2015-08-19 00:09:23,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
POOPY FUNNY! YAY! FUN FUN POOP
! TEE HEE XD POOP! POOPY! YAY! POOP MAKE ME HAPPY! HAPPY HAPPY P
OOP POOP! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXDXXXXXDDDDDDD
UH OH< I THINK I MADE A POOPIE :))))))):):)))):::
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POOP IN PANTS! NO DIAPER! THAT'S FUNNY! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
OOPSIE! POOPY UNDERWEAR NOW! TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE TEE HEE
WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! WE WANT POOPIES! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HHHHHHHH :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) AHA
POOP! POOOOP!",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942963
49918858,49922839,2015-08-19 00:09:49,"POOP!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH FUNNY POOPIES!!!!!!!!!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDDDXDXXXXDXDXDXXD ELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELELELELELEL PPPPPPPOOOOO
OOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH AHAHAH
AHAHAHA FUNNY POOP! POOP FUNNY! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY FOR POOPIE! GOOD POOPIE! POOPIE FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDD DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP
POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP POOP LELELELELELELELELELELELLE XDXDXDXDDXDXDXDX
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POOP! puuuupies",,Huntard,,,US,,1439942989
49918858,49922852,2015-08-19 00:10:03,">>49919028
Literally the toilet of the world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439943003
49918858,49922877,2015-08-19 00:10:39,">>49922839
You Christians are so mature, nothing like us childish atheists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439943039
49918858,49923024,2015-08-19 00:14:27,Wow. Mods are actually pretty fast. Only took about 3 minutes to get that guy banned after a report.,,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439943267
49918858,49923150,2015-08-19 00:17:50,">>49922134
Why don't you look at your own chart. The link isn't very high. Now the link with atheism and iq....however =D",,OuterLimits,kek.jpg,PMRPq7Nlt9ukL4DyONq2og==,US,,1439943470
49918858,49923152,2015-08-19 00:17:51,">>49922401
This mem was done by jews )",,Anonymous,1401505108001.png,HWKUNLiGEschIBIvIsEPIg==,RU,,1439943471
49918858,49923211,2015-08-19 00:19:26,">>49923150
Butthurt much?",,Anonymous,KyfQrY4.png,jPecVyhOPkpT+Q2qv+dPSw==,US,,1439943566
49918858,49923248,2015-08-19 00:20:13,,,Anonymous,I+didn+t+say+anything.+I+posted+a+picture+_5962bd9723ca38f9669688b4d155dbfb.jpg,eyHhg3eK4RdhAXtlXgY5vA==,US,,1439943613
49918858,49923277,2015-08-19 00:20:57,,,Anonymous,BVA1wm2CcAAlvt1.jpg,PSjRWS/iCnGGGYC1bclLyg==,US,,1439943657
49918858,49923304,2015-08-19 00:21:43,,,Anonymous,1427416831119.jpg,FwZyRiwMGselIaqoF3sJjg==,US,,1439943703
49918858,49923440,2015-08-19 00:25:23,">>49923211
This is kinda a well known sociological fact but the more economically developed and prosperous a nation is, the lower the level of religiosity :)
America is kinda the exception to the rule though this is easily explained through its embrace of the Protestant Work Ethic(It's origins kinda funny).",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1439943923
49918858,49923502,2015-08-19 00:27:10,>>49923152,,Anonymous,1434220035615.png,ZjmQHF55Bi1ZlASV20eEFQ==,US,,1439944030
49918858,49923512,2015-08-19 00:27:26,,,Anonymous,5r8iz.jpg,2Qu/wb3VLrUad71czB7Xig==,US,,1439944046
49918858,49923543,2015-08-19 00:28:26,">>49923502
whoops, my bad",,Anonymous,1434220035615 (1).png,jfhzQK9/Amu5766xp6uiMQ==,US,,1439944106
49918858,49923605,2015-08-19 00:30:05,">>49923152
lmao that guy sounds like a giant fucking pussy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439944205
49918858,49923936,2015-08-19 00:38:24,">>49923512
>TFW I'm not fat and do not wear a fedora
Feels good man :)",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1439944704
49918858,49924027,2015-08-19 00:40:49,"Protestants, beginning with Martin Luther, reconceptualized worldly work as a duty which benefits both the individual and society as a whole. Thus, the Catholic idea of good works was transformed into an obligation to consistently work diligently as a sign of grace. Whereas Catholicism teaches that good works are required of Catholics as a necessary manifestation of the faith they received, and that faith apart from works is dead (James 2:14–26 ) and barren, the Calvinist theologians taught that only those who were predestined (cf. the Calvinist concept of double predestination) to be saved would be saved.
Since it was impossible to know who was predestined, the notion developed that it might be possible to discern that a person was elect (predestined) by observing their way of life.[citation needed] Hard work and frugality, as well as social success and wealth, were thought to be two important consequences of being one of the elect;[citation needed] Protestants were thus attracted to these qualities and supposed to strive for reaching them.
--
>>49923440
This is such a bizarre thought process. Almost seems like an accident that it was thought of. Kind of makes me appreciate Protestantism more. Protestantism in my area is so water down, it was almost a mistake if I learned any advanced theology.
I feel the reason my country still has Christianity is just plain anti-intellectualism. The majority of Americans have a shitty education and denial of evolution is very common. Philosophy and advanced theology is really seen as a bit of fool's path.
>>49923543
This isn't a joke, especially in America. ""pray for Israel"" ""lets gather money and give ti to Israel"" ""the Jews are God's chosen"" are very common things Christians here say.",,OuterLimits,Jew King.png,hluhOZurQ5lePbJUyaf6zA==,US,,1439944849
49918858,49924092,2015-08-19 00:42:47,"God caused the spam. 
Mods got rid of it. 
Mods > God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439944967
49918858,49925050,2015-08-19 01:08:10,">>49924092
How does he keep avoiding ban?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439946490
49918858,49925345,2015-08-19 01:16:13,">>49924027
It is. However though I don't think such a thought was an accident. It was intentional. It is a coping mechanism under a bleak and fatalistic world where the fates of all had been determined by One prior to the existence of Creation itself. My Organizational Behavior module covered quite a bit on this relating to culture where it is seen as a mechanism to cope with uncertainty and solve problems. It is under this framework that the Prot. Work Ethic and modern Capitalism arised from. Wealth which is a sign of being predestined thus become the thing every Protestant would strive for so that they can think themselves as being amongst the predestined. Kinda like a case of Cognitive Dissonance if you ask me but it's at least perhaps necessary for the secularized version of it to take hold as we see today.
However keep in mind that the Prot. Work Ethic relates to economic activity and the generation of wealth rather than scientific pursuits. It seems to me that American Protestantism adapted by filling in voids to prevent decline unlike the worship of European Protestantism. If there's one interesting thing about American Protestantism is that it is the place where bullcrap like the Rapture originated, allowing some sort of band aid to fill the void of disenchantment. Over time the growth of Evangelicalism and its embrace of Charismaticism and all that weird Pentecostal stuff allowed the void of disenchantment to be filled up more. Worship which is Euphoric became the go to for everyone. This is why in America while the Mainline Prots dropped, the Evangelicals and Pentecostals grow or declined the least because of the Euphoric worship that they offer. Just as you have fun at the club or get excited over your favorite band performing live, you get excited to see talented people singing songs about God and shit in that same manner.",,Anonymous,,,MY,,1439946973
49918858,49925385,2015-08-19 01:17:19,">>49925050
You can't silence the word of god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439947039
49918858,49926178,2015-08-19 01:37:09,">>49925385
We don't need to. Let them hear the many versions of it and strove amongst themselves: ""Which is true?""",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1439948229
49918858,49926477,2015-08-19 01:44:38,">>49925345
That's a pretty solid analysis. If the universe is a big clock that God wound up and everything is predestined personal relationship with God seems to be only method left to keep God from being some cold distant Deist figure.
So there is no free will in Calvinism right? How do the other theologies deal with the paradox that if God does know all things he would already know who will end up in heaven and who will not. He'd have to already know what choices everyone would make and what the consequences would be.
-On disenchantment and putting spirits back on earth.
There was a failed movement called Christian Atheism which tried to do exactly that. It removed the idea of a spirit world completely and emphasizes Jesus's presence on earth. Jesus becomes a role model and the earth becomes holy by the presence of Christian action.
That's also why the New Age movement enjoys a moderate success and is capable of grabbing laxed Christians. The chakras, the meditation, the idea that higher beings are on earth but are invisible because they are on 'higher planes': every single one of their ideas is a way to make the physical realm mystical. Either by placing spirits directly in our realm or blurring the line between the spirit world and the physical world.
The trouble is that spirits in the physical world are like flys to science and it wants to swat them. So you cannot literally have them on earth. There are two counters to this.
The first is to make 'real' things holy. To call real people and real actions 'holy'. Learning from the great men of the past becomes 'communicating with the spirits'
The second is symbols. Which Orthodoxy seems to be able to pull off. Even stronger symbols are found in Shintoism, the Gods have transcended their non-existence and become essential in identity, ritual, and culture. Why is a shrine in Japan can be holy even if there is no God in there? What is needed for this is an isolated community, 99% Japanese population.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1439948678
49918858,49926647,2015-08-19 01:49:03,">>49925385
>God shitposts on /pol/",,Anonymous,1439879156780.jpg,FtXyoEAY7wPhJ4zVx1ToRw==,US,,1439948943
49918858,49927256,2015-08-19 02:05:14,"Whatever created matter is God. We can't create matter according to our most basic natural laws. The Big Bang Theory doesn't attempt to explain where matter came from, it doesn't claim to, it attempts to explain how matter went from the dense state to what it is now over billions of years.
Hypothetically, if a god existed, it would most likely be an infinitely complex and incomprehensible thing, because it would have to transcend our natural laws in order to create matter.
Even if we eventually discover that the matter was the result of an entirely natural and secular process, that discovery would be made far into the future, and just like our modern technology would be inscrutable to someone from 3000 BC, the discovery and explanation of the phenomenon that created matter would be impossible to understand if delivered to us, because thousands of questions need to be answered in between.
Since the phenomenon transcends our natural law and would likely be endlessly complex, I consider it to be equal to a hypothetically existing god, so I call myself a theist. God is an infinitely complex creator of matter, and so is the possibly natural phenomenon that created all matter, so that thing is god.
I believe in a god of creation, but not a god of design or intent.
I'm not an agnostic because I believe in a god and because I don't have a hard on for arguing with Christians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1439949914
49918858,49927359,2015-08-19 02:08:01,">>49926477
Yes, this is perhaps the case though Luther didn't even intend or dared to go as far as Calvin. All Calvin did was took Luther's theology to its logical conclusion and it became the situation as you described. 
So far only the Calvinists ignore this paradox of free will and foreknowledge. Even if they concede free will, it's just classical compatabilism and not the sort of free will we would want. Everyone else would just concede that despite God's foreknowledge, we are really free or they try to find ways to reconcile the two. Personally I find it a very difficult task to undertake. 
American Protestantism(Protestantism in general as well) is really just hollow. On the outset it looks good. But inside you start to see that it's really just...empty. You might find this unbelievable but even the early Protestants themselves were obsessed with stuff akin to the New Age movement. The Freemasons is an example of this alongside the interest in the Jewish Kabbalah and Esoteric literature. They are trying to fill in an empty and hollow void but ultimately it became useless as through their mindset, science just made the world more and more bleak and disenchanted, eventually leading to an abandonment in religion itself.
I believe that science when seen under a certain lens can make the whole universe out to be a very enchanted place. A place of mystery, beauty, peril and the flow of life itself. All these possible with the richness of our natural world and creation. This under a religious framework such as Orthodoxy simply adds to the enrichment of enchantment. To the Protestants though it seems to be quite incompatible given the arguments they love to use like the Kalam Cosmological Argument of Craig that gives the impression of the universe as some mere mechanical machine rather than something dynamic. The nature of Protestantism just doesn't permit for this type of enchantment and thus becomes an empty void.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1439950081
49975284,49975284,2015-08-19 21:25:28,">Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
In theory an atheist can adopt any form of morality or philosophy. Pretty much the entire field of philosophy is open to them. Even religious ideals can be adopted: 'cultural Christianity' 'atheist Christianity' or more secular religions like Taoism.
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about various religions and comparing their merits comparisons.
>Why do you x?. How do you y?
There are some questions that get asked virtually every thread. Please check the faq.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,OuterLimits,starter.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1440019528
49975284,49975300,2015-08-19 21:25:51,"*****UPDATE:
*New Art!
*The History and Literary Analysis part of our videos have 4 great new videos: one on the evolution of Satan, one on the evolution of Jesus, one on the plagiarism in Noah's Ark, and one on Nietzsche's literature analysis of Jesus, a historical Jesus.
*An Index Has been added to the Fun stuff & religion's profile section
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ about Aquinas, The Myth of religious objectivity is added, and about The Myth of religion giving 'meaning'
*Hinduism entry added to religious profiles
>THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
>VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
>BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
>PROFILES OF RELIGIONS
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
Includes profiles for various religions. Also lists a few religions we find
compatible such as Deism, Pure Agnosticism, and non-superstitious spirituality.
>NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
>SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>STUPID IDEAS IN ATHEISM
http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
There are a lot of misconceptions atheists spout ie 'all babies are born atheist'. This lists them.
>ASSORTED ESSAYS
http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins
*new content*
Responses to Common Arguments,The Religious Landscape
Response to Theists Free Will Argument
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0 *new*
>FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the lulz, atheist humor anything else irrelevant we can think of.
>IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more!
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,stats.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1440019551
49990192,49990192,2015-08-20 02:45:16,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheism, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, is harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,atheism general.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1440038716
49990192,49990202,2015-08-20 02:45:31,">>49990192
>Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *expanded*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440038731
50169920,50169920,2015-08-22 18:14:03,">Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
In theory an atheist can adopt any form of morality or philosophy. Pretty much the entire field of philosophy is open to them. Even religious ideals can be adopted: 'cultural Christianity' 'atheist Christianity' or more secular religions like Taoism.
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about various religions and comparing their merits comparisons.
>Why do you x?. How do you y?
There are some questions that get asked virtually every thread. Please check the faq.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,OuterLimits,starter.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1440267243
50169920,50169956,2015-08-22 18:14:40,"*****UPDATE:
*The History and Literary Analysis part of our videos have 4 great new videos: one on the evolution of Satan, one on the evolution of Jesus, one on the plagiarism in Noah's Ark, and one on Nietzsche's literature analysis of Jesus, a historical Jesus.
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ about Aquinas, The Myth of religious objectivity is added, and about The Myth of religion giving 'meaning'
*Hinduism entry added to religious profiles
*Gnosticism entry added to religious profiles
 
>THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
>VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
>BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
>PROFILES OF RELIGIONS
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
Includes profiles for various religions. Also lists a few religions we find
compatible such as Deism, Pure Agnosticism, and non-superstitious spirituality.
>NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
>SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>STUPID IDEAS IN ATHEISM
http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
There are a lot of misconceptions atheists spout ie 'all babies are born atheist'. This lists them.
>ASSORTED ESSAYS
http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins
*new content*
Responses to Common Arguments,The Religious Landscape
Response to Theists Free Will Argument
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0 *new*
>FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the lulz, atheist humor anything else irrelevant we can think of.
>IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more!
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,stats.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1440267280
50169920,50169990,2015-08-22 18:15:10,">>50169920
you need to work on the pastebin shit. glaringly incorrect information on several of the religions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440267310
50169920,50170609,2015-08-22 18:26:49,">>50169990
I agree it's garbage. Terribly hard to read and is trying to convey too much info at once.
What do you think about splitting it up. Into two bins. One with a description of the religion and one with arguments against it.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440268009
50169920,50171763,2015-08-22 18:47:21,No one likes you,,Anonymous,,,US,,1440269241
50545420,50545420,2015-08-27 20:51:20,">Do you just have no morals and do whatever you want?
Atheism is not a lack of morals. It's a starting point with many roads. An atheist can take any almost any beliefs system in philosophy, he can even take religious philosophies with things like atheistic Christianity are secular Buddhism. 
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s check the index. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also comparisons of religions and discussion of their history and idiosyncrasies 
Pastebin links will be in the following post.
>How do you x? Why do you y?
Many questions get asked virtually every thread. Check the faq. 
Links in next post. 
*****UPDATE:
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ about Aquinas, The Myth of religious objectivity is added, and about The Myth of religion giving 'meaning'
*New art added to several albums
*First step in revising the Religious profiles is done. Has a summary of Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. The 'arguments against it' will be it's own separate bin.",Atheism General,OuterLimits,starter.jpg,1Lf0uwPREkbCAbDPU40y5Q==,US,,1440708680
50545420,50545444,2015-08-27 20:51:43,"*****UPDATE:
*A New Entry in the Basics/FAQ about Aquinas, The Myth of religious objectivity is added, and about The Myth of religion giving 'meaning'
*New art added to several albums
*First step in revising the Religious profiles is done. Has a summary of Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. The 'arguments against it' will be it's own separate bin.
>THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
>VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
>BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
>PROFILES OF RELIGIONS (improved)
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J (incomplete)
Includes profiles for various religions.
>NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
>SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>STUPID IDEAS IN ATHEISM
http://pastebin.com/NpYaYm3w
There are a lot of misconceptions atheists spout ie 'all babies are born atheist'. This lists them.
>ASSORTED ESSAYS
http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins
*new content*
Responses to Common Arguments,The Religious Landscape
Response to Theists Free Will Argument
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0 *new*
>FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the lulz, atheist humor anything else irrelevant we can think of.
>IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more!
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,stats.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1440708703
50545420,50545488,2015-08-27 20:52:21,"If there is no God, why are you an atheist? I challenge every Atheist on here to run into a Mosque, and mock the Qur'an, and Mohammed. Oh, that's right! You cowards ate SCARED of Muslims, because if you disrespect them, they'll kill you. Put your money where your mouth is atheists! If you're really committed to ridding the world of religion, and God start with Islam! This is me laughing at all you cowards, because you pick on Christians because you know they'll pray for you, and forgive you, but you sit in your houses, and hide behind your computers. You probably beat women, and children too. Tough guys. Put your life on the line. Atheist=coward. Yeah, that's tight punks. I'm talking yo you.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1440708741
50545420,50545527,2015-08-27 20:52:50,"If god wasn't real, you wouldn't need to prove anything.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440708770
50545420,50545600,2015-08-27 20:54:03,">>50545488
Thats not fear of the religion, just fear of a bunch of muslims about to behead you",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1440708843
50545420,50545631,2015-08-27 20:54:32,"Go fuck yourself already. 
I'm so sick of NEETbeard faggot atheists never shutting the fuck up about their cult.",,Anonymous,1439945838239.gif,6tnhnmm/ngR2VbpTDvvgag==,CA,,1440708872
50545420,50545742,2015-08-27 20:56:26,">>50545488
So do Christians run into mosques and challenge Muslims? Oh that's right. You sell your mosques to the Muslims and watch they break crosses.
>>50545527
So you must believe that all Gods ever made are real. Otherwise you wouldn't need to disprove other religions. I guess all 30 million Hindu Gods are real.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440708986
50545420,50545880,2015-08-27 20:58:52,">>50545420
based Dawkins",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1440709132
50545420,50545911,2015-08-27 20:59:37,">>50545600
>>50545742
how fucking retarded are you both",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1440709177
50545420,50545935,2015-08-27 21:00:00,">>50545742
>I guess all 30 million Hindu Gods are real.
That's fantasy and mythology. Do some research, because honestly you atheists are embarassing.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440709200
50545420,50546052,2015-08-27 21:02:37,">>50545420
thanks for using a trip, you fucking retard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440709357
50545420,50546174,2015-08-27 21:04:35,">>50545935
>>50545935
Hinduism is just as much a religion as Christianity. In fact it's the 3rd largest religion.
Also if you want to say 'all Gods are real' than you must also believe in the Gnostic Gods. Who are stronger than the Christian God (they created him!). There are still modern Gnostics. 
""If a God isn't real you wouldn't need to prove anything"" so you must believe in the Gnostic Gods and the Hindu Gods =D",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440709475
50545420,50546303,2015-08-27 21:07:22,">>50546174
You're wrong on so many levels.
The Chrisitian God is the only god that makes sense. 
Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother’s milk. Exodus 23:19
That's the word of God. I don't see hindu gods laying down the law like that.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440709642
50545420,50546483,2015-08-27 21:10:51,">>50545488
One of my friends was a Saudi Wahhabi Muslim in college and we used to argue for hours over his religion and politics in general.",,Anonymous,9f725f03871fb858b2b1668e0116b370_400x400.jpg,cDcfvAjN6ztIVTqknsQrKQ==,GB,,1440709851
50545420,50546549,2015-08-27 21:12:19,">>50546303
That's common sense. The Confucian belief in Filial Piety for example would forbid such things to begin with. Even the Jains wouldn't do such a thing for it would harm life!",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440709939
50545420,50546711,2015-08-27 21:15:06,">>50545631
>cult",,Anonymous,1440379705166.gif,joNncDVO8faJ+mBXeFcWCg==,US,,1440710106
50545420,50546820,2015-08-27 21:17:14,">>50545488
Former Muslim here, I quit because Muslims in my family beat women, and children, forced shit down my throat figuratively, etc. You're right in a sense that I'm a coward, I'm scared of being ridiculed and disowned for coming out as an atheist.
To anyone in this thread considering a convert to Islam DON'T",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1440710234
50545420,50547060,2015-08-27 21:21:51,">>50546820
You are already brave to oppose Islam and convert out of it. Thankfully many of the Muslims in Malaysia are moderates who don't seem to care much",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440710511
50545420,50547070,2015-08-27 21:22:08,">>50546303
The Hindu Gods make sense to the Hindus. The Gnostic God makes sense to the Gnostics. The Buddah makes sense to the Buddihists.
you have said ""If god wasn't real, you wouldn't need to prove anything.""
But here you are trying to prove other Gods wrong.
As for the 'wisdom' of the Gods. Hinduism has far more practical stuff in it's holy books. Some of their texts describe early geometry, they actually figured that stuff out before other civilizations. 
And you do realize that your god is also part of the Hindu and Gnostic story. All gods ever are part of Hinduism, because the ultimate God in Hinduism reality itself and everything in it including all Gods.
Gnostic believe that Yawhew is the Demiurge. He is associated with ignorance and lies. When he tells you 'I am the only God"" he is ignorant of other Gods. When he says ""I created everything"" he is lying. There are much stronger Gods than Yahweh in Gnosticism. 
And you have told me if we try to prove the Gnostics wrong it is proof that their Gods exist.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440710528
50545420,50548142,2015-08-27 21:42:22,I want wolfsheim to come here. It's fun to see you guys go at it.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1440711742
50545420,50548255,2015-08-27 21:44:30,">>50545420
>Catholic General
>Minimal trolling.
>Atheist General
>Shit spews from the mouths of every theist ever.
This is why I'm an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440711870
50545420,50548415,2015-08-27 21:47:57,">>50547070
None of anything other than Christianity and Jesus makes sense. No other religion or ""science"" can predict and interpret the world as good as the bible.
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440712077
50545420,50548509,2015-08-27 21:49:43,">>50548415
AMEN",,Anonymous,,,HN,,1440712183
50545420,50548750,2015-08-27 21:54:42,"Tell me about them morals, do they even have a purpose in today's world? I just play off judeo-christian morals whenever someone want's my ethical opinion but I don't give a shit most of time.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1440712482
50545420,50549033,2015-08-27 21:59:54,">>50548750
You don't need to think about morals, the bible tells you what to think.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440712794
50545420,50549099,2015-08-27 22:01:02,">>50547070
you're a fucking retard
you know how I know you're an uneducated fedora tipping underaged redditor?
you think that in buddhism, buddha is there god when buddhism doesn't have a deity you fucking retard
so intellectual, so educated....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440712862
50545420,50549101,2015-08-27 22:01:03,">>50548415
Is this supposed to be sarcasm?
A wife who defends her husband from being murdered is supposed to be killed? That's your wisdom? 
The Buddhist idea of suffering makes a whole lot more sense than ""people suffer because someone ate an apple"". And the Gnostic idea that Yawheh is working against humanity actually make a hell of a lot more sense than the Christian interpretation. The whole of the old testament is just Yawheh trying to fuck shit up. Genesis says that he created all disease the in the world because he wants humans to suffer. He tries to ruin humanity's city when they build a tower. He tries to genocide the whole species and than spends the rest of the bible telling the Jews to slaughter, rape, lie, and cheat all the other races.
It sounds me like you have no way at all of distinguishing your religion from any other. You've already told me that the moment you try to 'prove' any religion is wrong you have acknowledged that there God is real. By your own logic the moment you try to say ""no Gnostics and are wrong and here's why"" you have acknowledged that their Gods are real.
>>50548142
He's probably the smartest Christian on the board although I hate debating him because he is so shifty. If he doesn't like a point he will just try to bury it under complicated metaphysics. If you point out how the metaphysics contradict each other or make no sense he will just revert to ""we cannot know everything about God"".
In contrast Protestants are people that literally think logic and reason are evil. John Calvin created the idea that all reason that does not 'come from God' is the devil's work. Pascal wrote that 'reason corrupts man'. When dealing with Protestants they really do see logic and reason as enemies of God.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440712863
50545420,50549526,2015-08-27 22:09:16,">>50549099
It depends which Buddihism you are talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahm%C4%81_%28Buddhism%29
Brahmā (梵) in Buddhism is the name for a type of exalted passionless deity (deva), of which there are several in Buddhist cosmology.
>>50548750
It's actually a very complicated answer. Basically 'good' is just doing what benefits you. 'bad' is just what harms you. Sometimes these involve helping other people because we live in a community and we are dependent on each other. Sometimes it doesn't involve other people. Sometimes it involves KILLING other people.
Max Steiner out-right said morality does not exist. You either do what you want or what some else wants. Nietzsche has a similar idea but it's less extreme. He doesn't deny morality exists, just that it isn't the law of the land. There are things more important than morality. 
A fantastic quote ""That which is done out of love is always beyond good and evil""
Each situation in life must be assessed differently, there are no unbreakable rules. There is indeed a time and a place for murder, and not just in self-defense. 
If you want a look at Nietzsche's philosophy I wrote a massive bin on him.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440713356
50545420,50549536,2015-08-27 22:09:22,">>50549101
God gave you the will to be an idiot, and you choose to thoroughly abuse the privilege. Just read the bible, and I guarantee you will change your ways.
You're lucky your parents didn't stone you to death for being retarded.
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440713362
50545420,50550459,2015-08-27 22:26:35,">>50545444
>http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>Many of us became happier after we stopped worrying about hellfire and want to spread that happiness
Or, you could've just read the Bible and saw that ""hell"" is mentioned nowhere.",,Anonymous,1431514668656.gif,3jqTHJxqW3RxKqSetYO1dA==,US,,1440714395
50545420,50550593,2015-08-27 22:28:46,">>50550459
wow wait what.
so you guys are basically scared of hell so you stop being scared by not believing in god.
thats pretty weak,im religious and its been so long since i was afraid of hell i cant even remember when was the last time.
also hell is just a place without god,nowhere described in the bible.",,Holy Ghost,1431483913357.jpg,fGr+WbxM/i6v28eo+I2Zjw==,CA,,1440714526
50545420,50550986,2015-08-27 22:35:48,">>50550459
Many protestants believe in hell and think the 'lake of fire' in Revelations is a reference to it. Hell existing in Protestantism varies by sect, many beleive in it, some don't.
If you are a Catholic or Orthodox than hell is cannon for you.
>>50549536
Read the bible did change my life! It made me an atheist =D
As for your bible quotes. If you believe everything in the old testament is still relevant do you eat pork or shrimp?
Also you're doing a good job of proving America is not founded on Christian values. We believe everyone has a right to believe their religion without being stoned. After a year or two of being an atheist my parents stopped giving a shit because they realized I was serious. And now I'm at the age where my parents do not really dictate much of my life.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440714948
50545420,50551680,2015-08-27 22:48:56,">>50550986
You're doing a good job at responding to nonsense.
But it's funny, because I tried to be as cliche as possible. Poe's law, I guess...",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440715736
50545420,50551712,2015-08-27 22:49:37,">>50549099
There's like so many gods in Buddhism. They are just bound to samsara like us all.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440715777
50545420,50551945,2015-08-27 22:54:05,">>50546549
RARE FLAG
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50545420,50552028,2015-08-27 22:55:29,Christian general >>> Atheist general,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1440716129
50545420,50552452,2015-08-27 23:03:44,">>50550986
The Orthodox conception of Hell is different from the Catholic or Protestant. 
Hell in Orthodoxy is described as the Presence and Love of God experienced and perceived as pain and suffering by sinners.
Prayers for those in Hell is also made by the Orthodox, alongside a belief or hope in Universal Reconciliation(quite a number of Church Fathers teach this)
>>50551945
Don't forget to fly Malaysia Airlines bro ;)",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440716624
50545420,50552551,2015-08-27 23:05:48,">>50545420
Richard Dawkins is the most narcissistic cunt I've ever seen. I can't stand him.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440716748
50545420,50552762,2015-08-27 23:09:42,">Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong: perfect examples of evil atheists
>Why do atheists with power tend to become mass murderers?
give your short best argumenst against this",,Anonymous,1440694803354.jpg,OdCWiiwVXPMaLPBn8phwOw==,PE,,1440716982
50545420,50552863,2015-08-27 23:11:29,">>50552762
I thought Hitler was a Christian.",,Anonymous,hitler.jpg,xLG2UHYAMpVx4TkXXVr8Qw==,AU,,1440717089
50545420,50552944,2015-08-27 23:12:56,">>50552762
Two atheists being mass murderers does not mean there is a tendency for atheists in power to become mass murderers.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440717176
50545420,50552955,2015-08-27 23:13:08,">>50552762
I don't think being an atheist has any correlation to being a mass murderer. Stalin did the things he did not because he was an atheist.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440717188
50545420,50553007,2015-08-27 23:13:59,">>50552863
Yeah he was Catholic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440717239
50545420,50553580,2015-08-27 23:23:38,">>50552762
>hitler
>atheist
Also, yes those others WERE evil and WERE atheists. But there is no 'atheist' handbook telling them to kill because of their atheism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440717818
50545420,50553654,2015-08-27 23:24:56,">>50552551
Any ideas for new banners? Fedora Chan? Nietzsche? Funny Cuckstian images like pic related?
>>50552762
Hitler did nothing wrong =D
The logic that atheism is bad because communists are atheists is literally the same argument that anti-gun liberals use. Criminals use guns so guns are bad.
The reason communists promoted atheism was because they wanted to monopolize power. Why would they let the church have a say? This is also the EXACT SAME THING abrahamic religions do, except they deny every religion except themself. Why would they want the other religions to have power?
And funny enough no atheist I have ever met has killed someone.
>>50552863
>>50553007
Publicly he was Christian so that he could get appeal. A good leader is not controlled by religion, he is the one controlling the religion. He promoted a Christianity that he wanted. 
Privately he is hard to classify. He had a strong interest in occult but not for superstitious reasons, I guess you could say he did it for cultural reasons like SakuraHime. The Nazi Swastiki is a Hindu symbol because white people have a common ancestor in the Indians. He believed whites were the ruling caste in ancient Hindu society's which may or may not have been true.
He said in private that Christianity made people weak and held back Germany.
>>50551680
I've had suspensions about posters being atheist or agnostic trolls but yeah...Poe's law. There is a branch of thinking in Protestantism that literally believes reason corrupts people. This is what Pascal (of Pascal's wager) taught.",,OuterLimits,Jesus Horse.jpg,gS06UpGCgJmiGWrTEs71MA==,US,,1440717896
50545420,50553770,2015-08-27 23:26:53,">>50553654
>suspensions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440718013
50545420,50553836,2015-08-27 23:27:50,">>50545420
If there is a God, it doesn't care about me. Most religions are the same, not one will give you any special powers. Heaven and Hell do not exist, God may exist, but whatever.",,Anonymous,bbay.jpg,AcaonpzzKwW5ueqb1i673Q==,US,,1440718070
50545420,50554360,2015-08-27 23:36:40,">>50552863
Nazism wasn't very Christian, though, regardless of what Hitler was.
>>50552762
Communism was totalitarian like Islam, Nazism or Fascism.
If you associate everything that isn't done in the name of god with atheism, than you should also associate every casual eating a sandwich with atheism, all hospitals are atheist hospitals unless explicitly stated otherwise, all animals are atheists, etc.
Communism is not bad, because it's also associated with atheism. If you take Communism and a deism to it, it's going to be equally bad.
Similarly Islam and Christianity are both theisms. It's not fair to accuse Christians of suicide bombing, because Muslims do it.
Most if not all ideologies would be almost exactly the same with/without god.",,Anonymous,,,SI,,1440718600
50545420,50554457,2015-08-27 23:38:26,">>50553654
I've never met a christian who killed someone. So your point is moot",,Anonymous,christian_badass.png,E9GMCNqA3cInm2T5jBReRg==,US,,1440718706
50545420,50554492,2015-08-27 23:39:08,">>50554360
Only 1.5% of Nazi Germany were irreligious. The rest were mainly Protestants and Catholics.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1440718748
50545420,50554647,2015-08-27 23:41:40,">>50549526
Brahma is a vedic concept you retard. Where do you think the BUddha came from ?
>protip: India, same place as the Vedics
 Buddhists don't believe in a deity, if you didn't cherry pick that wiki article and actually knew what you were talking about, I wouldn't have to school your ass.",,Anonymous,1430087789243.jpg,9Mmz36ZwXmbmdf4k3YHIzQ==,US,,1440718900
50545420,50556361,2015-08-28 00:12:39,">>50554647
""of which there are several in Buddhist cosmology.""
""Baka Brahma appears in the Bakabrahma-sutta and the Brahmanimantanika-sutta in the Pali canon""
Pali canon is a pretty official work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism#Supernatural_beings_in_the_Pali_Canon
Bamhā (Brahma) is among the common gods found in the Pāli Canon. Bamhā, as with all devas, is subject to change, final decline and death like all other sentient beings in saṃsāra. 
Buddhism and Hinduism are pretty closely related. There are of course branches of Buddhism that completely severe these ties and treat all the stories as allegory. This is the most common type of Buddhism today.
There's a neat story where Buddah meets a deity that thinks he is all powerful, immortal, all knowing, and that no mortal may enter his relm. Buddha proves him wrong by walking right into his realm. He than tells him that there are realms even he does not know about and does not have the ability to travel to. Buddah proves this by traveling to another realm and challenging the deity to find him. The deity fails and acknowledges that Buddha is wiser and stronger than him.
Buddha tells him to meditate on his past life and he learns that he was not immortal. He was a human in a previous life and he will someday die again.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440720759
50545420,50556719,2015-08-28 00:19:30,">>50553654
Nietzsche banner would be great.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1440721170
50545420,50556903,2015-08-28 00:23:00,">>50556361
>mythological creatures =/= Gods
Its not even worth talking to anyone who has to reach out for confirmation bias in their quotes. Your own link's first sentence proves I'm right.
*tips fedora*",,Anonymous,1392771852672s.jpg,FMrCuo0wcdGAYnCq0QijEQ==,US,,1440721380
50545420,50558392,2015-08-28 00:54:55,">>50556719
Coming right up",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440723295
50545420,50558455,2015-08-28 00:56:22,">>50556719
Gotcha, man",,Dick Dorkins,rFreW8l.jpg,Uuo9XvboRKHAfpIc/jTUAg==,US,,1440723382
50545420,50558523,2015-08-28 00:57:58,">>50556903
Mythology is simply a religion that no one believes in anymore.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1440723478
50545420,50558540,2015-08-28 00:58:13,">>50552762
Hitler and half the SS were Christians who never renounced memberships to the church. Nazi Germany's first treaty was with the Vatican, in exchange for the rights to educate and ""monitor"" the youth of Germany the leaders of the Catholic church told their German parishioners, who very much opposed Hitler, to stand down and allow the Nazis to do as they please.
Only member of the Third Reich to be excommunicated was Goebbels and it was because he married a protestant",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440723493
50545420,50558602,2015-08-28 00:59:12,">>50545631
Have you tried collapsing the thread and going about your day?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440723552
50545420,50558656,2015-08-28 01:00:33,">>50545420
atheism is a response to religion
atheism does not exist in a culture free from religion
atheism requires religion, otherwise atheism cannot exist
atheism is as indefensible as any monotheism since the understanding of existence is limited to the senses of the pseudoapes -- who can identify, describe and observe -- but who cannot ascertain ""why""
agnosticism is the superior method",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440723633
50545420,50558893,2015-08-28 01:06:02,">>50558656
So you're an agnostic.
What do you actually mean by this though? It could mean anything from Richard Dawkins through to an ISIS member that has the occasional twinge of doubt about whether Allah is real.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1440723962
50545420,50558991,2015-08-28 01:08:26,">>50545420
>atheistic Christianity
Im not even opening this thread.",,Anonymous,11267084_1594675054106319_1710191239018876765_n.jpg,vs4ZGG7M/T54nlzEYpivPA==,BG,,1440724106
50545420,50559048,2015-08-28 01:09:31,">>50558656
>atheism does not exist in a culture free from religion
>lack of religion does not exist in a culture free from religion
wut",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1440724171
50545420,50559131,2015-08-28 01:11:16,">>50545420
Why are you on pol spouting this bullshit?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440724276
50545420,50559222,2015-08-28 01:12:54,">>50545420
>atheistic Christianity are secular Buddhism.
*and
I like the old OP better",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440724374
50545420,50559351,2015-08-28 01:15:32,">>50554457
Most black and Mexican thugs are extremely religious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440724532
50545420,50559476,2015-08-28 01:18:24,">>50545420
I don't believe in god or religion generally, and I'm not alone in that by a long shot, but I've completely stopped referring to myself as an Atheist thanks to the internet. There are so many god damn morons who think that their denunciation of their parents religion is some herculean intellectual feat. It's not.",,Anonymous,1430956591677.jpg,Z97lfu81MKjn+QrCISTpWw==,CA,,1440724704
50545420,50559817,2015-08-28 01:26:01,">>50559476
Yeah dude, we're so edgy for correctly identifying ourselves with common lexicon. I wish I could be cool like you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440725161
50545420,50559919,2015-08-28 01:28:19,">>50559048
People arent born atheists, atheism can only exist in a population where there are religious people..otherwise there wouldnt be any discussion or propagation of atheism, itd just be common knowledge.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440725299
50545420,50559992,2015-08-28 01:30:04,"Very good, dear goyim, very good!
Enlighten those silly little religious fools!",,Anonymous,Art.jpg,cjSblb9nQwBGD898s7i2bw==,RO,,1440725404
50545420,50560025,2015-08-28 01:30:46,">>50559919
I believe unicorns don't exist. 
Do there need to be people to think they do exist for me to believe they don't? 
Of course not",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440725446
50545420,50560943,2015-08-28 01:50:48,">>50545444
Nice trips",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440726648
50545420,50561418,2015-08-28 02:01:28,">>50558656
To an existent all atheists are agnostic. 
>>50558991
than you won't learn it was invented by a theologian =D
>>50559919
When nobody believes in a religion we call it a myth. In an atheist society the word 'religion' would not exist we would just call Christianity a myth.",,OuterLimits,1439861825649.jpg,2n/NU40fsUqL5bGJaAC9dQ==,US,,1440727288
50545420,50561514,2015-08-28 02:03:49,">>50561418
>than
Please just get this right for once in your life. Juvenile typos make you look juvenile",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440727429
50545420,50561610,2015-08-28 02:06:10,">>50559919
>atheism can only exist in a population where there are religious people
Wrong.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1440727570
50545420,50561680,2015-08-28 02:08:04,">>50552762
>Hitler
>atheism
nice try christboi",,Anonymous,,,ID,,1440727684
50545420,50562792,2015-08-28 02:37:40,">>50545444
The counter to Aquinas is weak as fuck, it assumes Aquinas was actually talking about fucking motion like meters per second or some shit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440729460
50545420,50564253,2015-08-28 03:13:51,">>50562792
We went beyond this taking about his concept of Potentials and stuff. Anyways, I would look through the argument again. I have been spending my time reading Cambridge history of Christianity and Flatland",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440731631
50545420,50565583,2015-08-28 03:48:08,">>50564253
I'm just saying we shouldn't put weak arguments in our paste, it makes us look weak and too stupid to understand what we criticize",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440733688
50545420,50565990,2015-08-28 03:59:06,">>50565583
Yes, true that my friend.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440734346
50545420,50566072,2015-08-28 04:01:30,">>50545420
>ITT",,Anonymous,1440540561018.gif,S7zboa6NrXeq3O2NaAj/zA==,CA,,1440734490
50545420,50566108,2015-08-28 04:02:42,">>50566072
A hat isn't considered unfashionable when paired with a suit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440734562
50545420,50566152,2015-08-28 04:03:46,">>50566108
What about a katana?",,Anonymous,1440627557585.jpg,HM5zDQ46prBsj+gCG9anuA==,CA,,1440734626
50545420,50566199,2015-08-28 04:05:09,">>50566152
>years of fapping have prepared my wrist to hold this giant steel dick",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440734709
50545420,50567078,2015-08-28 04:29:33,">>50554360
>Nazism wasn't very Christian, though, regardless of what Hitler was.
Neither were The Crusades you fucking dolt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1440736173
50545420,50567335,2015-08-28 04:36:47,">>50567078
The Crusades were sanctioned by official religious authorities though. You know...the Pope. 
What the Crusaders did though probably wouldn't count as being 'Christian', especially during the First Crusade. 
However I'm going to be fair and assume that the pillaging and cannibalism are done out of desperation rather than intention. About the massacres, I can't be too sure about that.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1440736607
50545420,50567623,2015-08-28 04:44:41,">>50545420
> be atheist
> want to expose theism for a fraud
> literally preach atheism like a religion
fucking atheists
> be theist
> regard theists of different religions as delusional
> regard atheists as a threat to their beliefs
fucking theists
> be noneoftheabove
> believe whatever because i want to
> keep it to myself
> never bother anyone
fucking non-existent people",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1440737081
50871215,50871215,2015-09-01 21:01:58,">Do you just have no morals and do whatever you want?
Atheism is not a lack of morals. It's a starting point with many roads. An atheist can take almost any belief system in philosophy, he can even take religious philosophies with things like atheistic Christianity are secular Buddhism. 
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s check the index. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also comparisons of religions and discussion of their history and idiosyncrasies 
>How do you x? Why do you y?
Many questions get asked virtually every thread. Check the faq. 
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,OuterLimits,1440737782374.jpg,Uuo9XvboRKHAfpIc/jTUAg==,US,,1441141318
50871215,50871222,2015-09-01 21:02:13,">THE BASICS/FAQ
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
Have a question? Why do we have these threads? How do atheists get meaning? Check here first!
>VIDEOS
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
Youtube videos relevant to atheism
>BOOKS
http://pastebin.com/5Um7yp79
Books relevant to atheism
>PROFILES OF RELIGIONS (improved)
http://pastebin.com/44Tvka7J (incomplete)
Includes profiles for various religions.
>NIETZSCHE
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
Revolutionary 18th century Philosopher. Immortal enemy of Jews,Christians and Liberals.
Outerlimit's crash course on his ides with an emphasis on atheism.
>SECULAR HUMANISM
A description of Secular humanism, based on metaphysical naturalism. A popular atheistic philosophy.
http://pastebin.com/5WZitSHu
>ASSORTED ESSAYS
http://pastebin.com/u/DickDorkins
 http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
>FUN STUFF
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Videos of insane theists for the lulz, atheist humor anything else irrelevant we can think of.
>IMAGES
Fedora-chan, pro-atheist images, and more!
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/",,OuterLimits,stats.png,ZioKt+X4Z33YaUuQmdGnyA==,US,,1441141333
50871215,50871324,2015-09-01 21:03:53,">>50871215
>Atheism is not a lack of morals",,Anonymous,index.jpg,hZytC0UB7PSfjDQuVBBQcg==,US,,1441141433
50871215,50871395,2015-09-01 21:05:04,Claim your fedora,,Anonymous,nNJOMBD.png,dIgPK5RTI0h4J2hAUncp/A==,US,,1441141504
50871215,50871432,2015-09-01 21:05:45,I see this going over SO well on /pol/. Fight the good fight mate.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1441141545
50871215,50871450,2015-09-01 21:06:07,">>50871215
Atheism thread on /pol/
That's a bold move cotton, lets see if it pays off for him.",,Anonymous,1410758748196.gif,Zcgln8NhL2xy+FPDHqAGJw==,US,,1441141567
50871215,50871456,2015-09-01 21:06:15,"Daily reminder the smartest man in the world believes in GOD. 
>>50871392",,Anonymous,atheist-pepe.png,fOndEQap8X4vD1+B+bDdRw==,US,,1441141575
50871215,50871821,2015-09-01 21:12:50,">>50871456
IQ is not the be all end all of intelligence. Fucking computers have IQs. 
http://www.gizmag.com/swedish-program-150iq/21465/
 Further more until his math gets accepted by some peer reviewed sources it's not even worth reading.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441141970
50871215,50872192,2015-09-01 21:19:30,">>50871456
>>50871450
>>50871432
>>50871395
>>50871324
>offers no argument 
>resorts to insult 
Behold, the pinnacle of Christian scholarship",,Anonymous,1440826188470.jpg,gxhW6h5Okk9vPV65SUQ0Jw==,US,,1441142370
50871215,50872330,2015-09-01 21:21:36,Good thing we have intelligent people on /pol/. Religion is just means of controlling feeble minded sheep too stupid to think for themselves. I'm glad it'll be fully gone in a matter of years,,Anonymous,,,US,,1441142496
50871215,50872413,2015-09-01 21:23:07,">>50872330
Won't be gone in our lifetime",,Anonymous,PF_15.04.02_ProjectionsOverview_usReligComposition_310px.png,mNaOHJ1Bp+srsoqjXPoxhg==,US,,1441142587
50871215,50872996,2015-09-01 21:32:25,">>50871324
implying you can't take benefit in the moral lessons religion has to offer without believing in its deity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441143145
50871215,50873088,2015-09-01 21:33:59,">>50872330
>>50872413
From a world wide perspective religion won't change. Christians are learning that 1st world countries don't believe in that crap anymore so they just redirect their effort to scientifically illiterate places like Africa.
However within 1st world countries religion is dropping. It will drop faster as time goes on because scientific literacy is growing. Major scientific discovers might also bury religion faster. The more science learns about the origin of the universe and early life the less need there is for God to fill in the gaps.
The death of religion in the United states and Europe will not come when 'there are no religious people'. But when the amount of non-religious people reaches around 35% of the population. At this point politics will no longer be allowed to associate with religion without losing elections. Once non-religious groups reach around 45% they can start forcing the politicians to remove tax privileges of the religious. There will eventually reach a tipping point where enough of the public has no respect for religion, at this point the mere act of being religious will be looked down on.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441143239
50871215,50873551,2015-09-01 21:42:20,">>50873088
Okay, great. But one problem. Atheism is turning into a sort of community or culture or something. It leads newly converted like sheep into stupid shit like Atheism+. How do we prevent shit like this from happening in the future as conversion rates grow? 
After all, when given a world view that you threw away, most will tend to just look for another worldview to be given instead of thinking for themselves",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441143740
50871215,50874084,2015-09-01 21:52:30,">>50872413
>Won't be gone in our lifetime
Religion will never disappear. Religion(or at least belief), is a part of human-nature, or more specifically, it is reproductively/genetically favorable.
Atheists have no children. The more religious a person is, the more children they have.
The main reason people have become less religious, is that western secular governments, and the Jewish media, want to destroy religion. Marx wanted to destroy religion, Lenin, Stalin. They can undermine particular faiths over the short-term, but they can never get rid of spirituality/religion over the long-term.
If society collapsed tomorrow, religion would come back with a vengeance that would leave most atheists in complete shock.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441144350
50871215,50874334,2015-09-01 21:57:03,">>50874084
>If society collapsed tomorrow, religion would come back with a vengeance
I don't doubt that. Except society has been doing the opposite of collapsing since its inception. People have gotten smarter, science better, infrastructure improved, education almost universal, standard of living the highest ever, etc. 
The only places with high birth rates and Christian growth is undeveloped nations like Africa. And it will take hundreds of years to get them as up to speed as western countries. 
But when it happens, and it will happen, the entire world will be happy, educated, and secular.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441144623
50871215,50874638,2015-09-01 22:02:37,"The real reason for the decline of religion, really has nothing at all to do with science.
The main reason is, a general declining ""respect for authority"". God is an authority-figure, or really, god is a ""father-figure"". He tells you what you can't do, and what you should do. He has rules, and punishments. People who don't have respect for authority, are almost always atheists. People who have no respect for their fathers, are almost always atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441144957
50871215,50874719,2015-09-01 22:03:49,">>50874638
Do you have a single fact to back that up?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441145029
50871215,50875068,2015-09-01 22:09:38,">>50874334
>But when it happens, and it will happen, the entire world will be happy, educated, and secular.
You are delusional. A society cannot exist for any length of time without religion. All ""Secular"" societies on this planet are basically destroying themselves. Because they refuse to reproduce, and have gotten more and more and more degenerate and unstable.
In case you haven't looked around you, ""Western Civilization"" is collapsing, and has begun to be overrun by Islamic radicals.And the atheists are inviting them in, because they are too ignorant to understand Hegel's basic premise. The reason religion exists, and has always existed, is because it works.
For that matter, there are always times of ""reversion"". You had the Roman Empire, then the Dark Ages. In America, you had the ""Great Awakenings"" after the enlightenment. Everything in history is cyclical, not linear.",,Anonymous,10599172_744640815593376_3192514356923488985_n.jpg,XMc3JMnxgxByoMBNprmj5g==,US,,1441145378
50871215,50875479,2015-09-01 22:16:17,">>50874084
Religious families give birth to atheist children. Nothing short of a return to the dark ages could stop this. Religion has lots it's power. It used to explain things in the natural world. Know science explains where everything came from. There is a certain moral value to religion but that value is weak because God has lost his authority. He is no longer the creator of man or the universe.
>>50873551
Well there's always going to be sheep, there will be a herd in one way or another. 
It's important to realize that 'taking another person's world view' and 'thinking for yourself' are not mutually exclusive. All knowledge and understanding is built on previous knowledge and understanding. What's wrong is accepting anther's world view at face value and not examining to see if it's compatible with what you already know to be true, this called being a sheep. However trying to only use 'your own ideas' and not doing research into the great thinkers of the past will just leave you with a shallow world view. 
I think the 'community' also needs to focus on philosophy, culture, and spiritual things (not superstitious spiritual things, but reverence for higher ideals). You need to study SOMETHING otherwise you just latch on to the newest shiny trend.
Philosophically Existentialism is a good place to start as it's a philosophy that emphasizes individualism and a distrust of the herd. It's not really a 'do this and this and this' type of thinking like religious dogma but an approach to life. Soren Kierkegaard and Nietzsche were good examples of this type of thinking. 
Studying history gives a foundation. It tells you who you are by learning where you came from. People want an identity, if they can't get one from history they will get one from tumblr or some other stupid source.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441145777
50871215,50875544,2015-09-01 22:17:30,">>50871215
>Atheism is not a lack of morals.
But it cannot have objective morals, and objective morals are the only morals worth having.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441145850
50871215,50875591,2015-09-01 22:18:10,">>50874719
A good read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/the-righteous-mind-by-jonathan-haidt.html?pagewanted=all
>""The hardest part, Haidt finds, is getting liberals to open their minds. Anecdotally, he reports that when he talks about authority, loyalty and sanctity, many people in the audience spurn these ideas as the seeds of racism, sexism and homophobia.""
Leftists hate the word authority. Atheists hate the word authority. It is both obvious and intuitive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441145890
50871215,50875653,2015-09-01 22:19:19,">>50875068
The most religious countries in the world are sub sarahan African countries and shit holes in the middle east. Do you think they are better than America or Europe? If you don't than you've fucking admitted that secular countries win.
Europe and America are not going anywhere. We continue to make new scientific discovers every day and the amount of money and power we have compared to Christian Africa or Islamic middle east makes us God-like.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441145959
50871215,50875715,2015-09-01 22:20:24,">>50875544
Does God get his morality from his own mind or from an outside source?
If it comes from his own mind than his morals are no less objective than my own.
If it comes from an outside source than God is not the objective source of morality.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441146024
50871215,50875789,2015-09-01 22:21:36,"Is it wrong for me to just believe there is a Being that loves me no matter what? It gives a nice feeling, especially when you feel down. We all have our security blankets.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441146096
50871215,50875907,2015-09-01 22:23:41,">>50875715
>Does God get his morality from his own mind or from an outside source?
Neither. His morality stems from his omnibenevolence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441146221
50871215,50876027,2015-09-01 22:25:55,">>50875715
Some religions have enumerated morals that are not alterable. Everyone from that religion puts complete faith in those morals and disregard their own random feelings. The enumerated morals then become objective for that particular religious group. 
Atheists don't have a central authority for morals, and therefore, for atheists, all morals vary by person and become subjective.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441146355
50871215,50876084,2015-09-01 22:27:00,">>50875907
So, from his own mind.
Got it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441146420
50871215,50876108,2015-09-01 22:27:18,">>50874638
Science plays its role in the decline of religion, especially through its(religion's) opposition to it. 
However though there are a disdain and hate for religion amongst militant atheists, I think most of the time people just don't care anymore. They do not care because religion doesn't offer anything to them, especially modern Catholicism and Protestantism. It's just shallow(lesser in Catholicism) compared to Buddhism, Hinduism or even Islam for that matter. 
Today's society also values a sort of egotism. They want to do what they want and religion holds them back by placing restrictions upon what is acceptable behavior. This is why we got the rise of SJWism and all this same sex stuff. It's why people are happy when Miley Cyrus does some weird shit or dye her armpit hair and so on. It's because such is the expression of being able to do what one wants and no one can impede upon that!",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441146438
50871215,50876210,2015-09-01 22:28:43,">>50875479
>Religious families give birth to atheist children.
And atheists families often give birth to religious children. I'm going to agree that the pendulum is currently ""swinging"" away from religion. But this has absolutely nothing to do with science. This is the product of a cultural shift away from authority.
America was more religious in 1960 than in 1920. The marriage rate was higher in 1960 than it was in 1930.
My only point is, you cannot have a society without religion. It simply becomes too unstable, individualistic, divided, and stops reproducing. This isn't some new thing, it has happened repeatedly throughout history.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441146523
50871215,50876650,2015-09-01 22:36:39,">>50875653
>The most religious countries in the world are sub sarahan African countries.
Do you have absolutely any idea why some countries are successful and some aren't? To be honest, America was far more successful relative to the rest of the world, when it was still religious. It is currently only relevant because our banks run the world, and of the advantages which come from being the world's reserve currency(petrodollar).
The reason Africa sucks, is because the entire continent is a bunch of artificial countries, thrown together at the end of colonialism, with perpetual Civil Wars between both internal factions, and even neighboring overlapping factions. Basically, African and Middle-Eastern tribalism prevents those regions of the world from becoming ""developed"". Religion does play a role in tribalism, because it prevents the creation of ""National-states"". Or more specifically, it prevents the rise of ""Nationalism"".
Nationalism is the most powerful, and most important force in world history.
Why do you think we are always ""Nation-building"". What do you think that is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6xi8_7Fy6Y",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441146999
50871215,50877007,2015-09-01 22:44:19,">>50876027
And these morals come from God's mind yes? Than he made it a rule. Does God get them from his own mind or from another source?
An atheist can make morals from his mind and make it into a rule. 
>>50874638
And why does God deserve respect? In the old testament he is man's enemy. It tells us that he invented disease (Eden), war (bable, and tried to genocide the species (noah), he than had the Jews run around trying to destroy other people's civilization. This is the work of a demon.
>>50876210
Most atheists are from religious families. And funny enough it is not the parent that teaches the child to be a Christian but the child that teaches the parent to be an atheist. I knew a kid who was born into a Christian family, becomes an atheist when he is 14 and eventually converts his entire family. They were all pretty up class too, like $20,000 a year private school upper class.
As for civilization without religion. Pretty much the only civilization that EXISTS are the ones without religion. Who are the giants of the civilized world? USA, Europe, Canada, Japan. All of them with declining religion. And individualism is exactly what allowed them to become mighty in the first place. Individualism leads to capitalism, capitalism leads to success. And no these countries are not declining, they are ascending, despite all the things attacking them they just keep rising in power, income, scientific advances, military, and industry.
If you want to live in a Christian society where everyone has 8 children move to fucking Africa.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441147459
50871215,50877057,2015-09-01 22:45:34,">>50876108
>Science plays its role in the decline of religion, especially through its(religion's) opposition to it.
The role of science has not been significant. For instance, there is something called the ""enlightenment"". That time period saw a significant rise of anti-Christian sentiment. This was partially as a way to undermine the premise behind ""Divine right of Kings""(which was necessary to overthrow the monarchies of the time).
Karl Marx wrote the Communist manifesto in 1848. The internationalist movements of socialists, were all atheists. Atheism made a big impact in the late 1800's, and obviously in the early 1900's from socialist movements across the world. Culminating in the Soviet Union, who repressed religion as much as they could.
It wasn't the science. It was to what extent religion was being attacked by secular governments and secular media. The reason religion grew from the 1920's to the 1960's, was that the American government and media, wanted to use religion as a tool to resist the spread of communism. It is also why they put ""god"" in the pledge of allegiance.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, religion took hold again in most of Eastern Europe, to the extent that in many of those countries, Orthodox Christianity has become a defacto state religion.
As I said, it is cyclical, not linear.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441147534
50871215,50877431,2015-09-01 22:53:03,">>50876650
>that link
Not even gonna watch your shitty video. That channel is incredibly biased and often not historically accurate. I remember watching them talk about Alexander the Great and they spend half the video going on about SJW and how men are evil. The primary reason Africa has shitty countries is not because Britain was mean and evil. It was because Africa is filled with niggers. Historically they only succeed when non-niggers run the country.
Is this what Christians actually watch? SJW propaganda?
Although I agree nation building is important. That's why we should break down the cross. See picture. Christianity has betrayed it's own countries in the name of self preservation",,OuterLimits,Catholic.png,EiJGa/Qopb1qXsKqGCuhMg==,US,,1441147983
50871215,50877461,2015-09-01 22:53:36,">>50877057
>The role of science has not been significant.
Except that it has! 
By do you think the phrase ""God of the Gaps"" is infamous? It's because Christianity's reaction to scientific discoveries is to just push God back. How they do this? Through a view of Creation as a mechanical machine that God just wind up and let go.
If I'm not mistaken around that time, the Intelligent Design argument was used through the Watchmaker Analogy. But this fails when Evolution came into the picture, posing problems to viewing Creation as a mere mechanical machine. 
Today, science also plays its part in religion's decline through religion opposing it. There's a reason why quite a number of Americans deny Evolution after all. I bet the number would be even greater where I live. 
However this is not to dismiss your point either. You are right and I don't deny this but there are also other variables at play here. I believe religion could survive if it reacts properly. But from what I can tell, only certain brands of religion will survive. One that gives an enchanted world, has a soteriology akin to Maslow's self actualization, friendly to science, mystical and has deep spiritual depth.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441148016
50871215,50877824,2015-09-01 23:00:23,">>50877007
>And why does God deserve respect?
First question, what god exactly?
Secondly, I wouldn't really call myself a Christian, and I don't even know if I would say I believe in ""God"", at least not as many imagine him. Usually god is imagined as a singular entity, that gives you what you want, if you pray to him, like he was some kind of ""Sky Genie"".
The first question you have to ask yourself is, ""Is life, and the universe, the consequence of a random and meaningful event? Or is there something special to life?""
I don't particularly care what you believe about the nature of life. I just don't find the logic in believing that life was a random and meaningless event, nor do I understand why someone would want to believe that. Other than the fact that they believe that they should be able to do whatever they want.
The two arguments for atheism is first, ""There is no proof god exists"". But what would the point of life be if everyone knew for sure that god existed and wanted you to do these exact things? It would take all the free will out of life, and your entire life would be scripted from beginning to end. The best part of life, is its mystery.
And secondly, ""Because bad things happen, god must not exist"". Or possibly, ""Since life isn't absolutely perfect, god must not exist"". Of course, what exactly is a ""perfect life""? To have a perfect world, you could not be allowed to make choices. Because any choice made freely, wouldn't follow the ""perfect world"" script. If you think about it for a minute, you'll realize that no one would actually want to live in a perfect world. Thus there is no such thing.
The truth is, ""The world is perfectly imperfect"". If you wanted to design a world that gave people endless choices and experiences, you would create this world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441148423
50871215,50877926,2015-09-01 23:02:14,">>50877824
>""Is life, and the universe, the consequence of a random and meaningful event? Or is there something special to life?""
Correction, ""random and meaningless""(as in, is life meaningless?).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441148534
50871215,50878273,2015-09-01 23:08:58,">>50875591
>anecdote about liberals 
>no statistics on atheists
Why even post",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441148938
50871215,50878551,2015-09-01 23:14:11,">>50877461
>If I'm not mistaken around that time, the Intelligent Design argument was used through the Watchmaker Analogy. But this fails when Evolution came into the picture, posing problems to viewing Creation as a mere mechanical machine.
We have to be careful about talking about ""religion"" and ""spiritual belief"", when you are really just talking about ""Christianity"", or more specifically ""The Church""(which is not the same as a more vague conception of Christianity).
For instance, Jesus Christ and the gospels, have absolutely nothing to do with Saul/Paul of Tarsus(Apostle Paul). Plus, Christianity was majorly modified at the ""Council of Nicaea"".
I would agree that science has heavily undermined the ""Christian Church"". But it wasn't so much the result of just science, but rather the result of ""Critical theory"". Which has used certain unprovable scientific theories to make a relentless and continuous assault on the Christian Church. In which, I somewhat I agree with them. Mainstream Christian canon cannot be accepted at face-value, it is absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
But, we must separate people being ""non-religious""(IE not adhering to a particular mainstream religious faith), and being an ""atheist"". Almost everyone, except children, believe that there is at least something special to life. Most of the people who claim to not believe in god, seem to believe in ghosts(or some other supernatural forces). Many believe in reincarnation, or some other afterlife.
To me, that seems ""normal"". Atheists who reject absolutely everything, in the vast majority of cases seem to be mentally ill. And their reasoning is less scientific, and more because they have either a hatred for religion, a hatred for life, or a hatred for authority and rules.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441149251
50871215,50878710,2015-09-01 23:17:19,">>50871215
>nietzsche
>atheist",,Anonymous,1271804388452.jpg,zcMMpJQ4F0Tv/r8FsoticQ==,US,,1441149439
50871215,50879210,2015-09-01 23:27:06,">>50878273
It is difficult to find good statistics on the subject. But seriously, just use your logic by reading this statement.
>Atheists reject an authority greater than themselves.
To an atheist, there is nothing above him, he is the center of the universe. He does not accept any authority, or any rules, that he disagrees with. He may tolerate them out of pure self-preservation, but he does not respect or accept authority for authority's sake.
And why would anyone think otherwise?
That doesn't mean that they are out killing people, it doesn't mean they are immoral, it just means they have no respect for authority.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441150026
50871215,50879255,2015-09-01 23:28:01,">>50877824
>Is life, and the universe, the consequence of a random and meaningful event? Or is there something special to life?
There is nothing random about evolution. It's selective. And life is very special, if you are human, because we are so advanced.
I personally do not say ""god doesn't exist because evil"" I don't believe there is evil, there are only undesirable outcomes.
I see no place in the world that needs a God to explain things so there is no need for him nor evidence. Hence why believe? And there are moral and philosophical reasons that a God would be very undesirable: the world should be run by humans.
>>50878551
This just seems like massive straw manning? Why do you think atheists hate life? I never loved live more after I became an atheist. Why is a belief in supernatural things necessary to love life?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441150081
50871215,50879336,2015-09-01 23:29:18,">>50879210
>To an atheist... 
There is no god. That's it. Anything else you just pulled out of your ass.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441150158
50871215,50879402,2015-09-01 23:30:37,How in the fuck is Nietzsche atheist?,,Anonymous,,,PR,,1441150237
50871215,50879547,2015-09-01 23:33:26,">>50879402
He killed god",,Anonymous,nietzsche-quotes-friedrich-nietzsche-philosopher-socialphy-87418.jpg,GKDRhWTRk7iJRXu3lleWhw==,NZ,,1441150406
50871215,50879620,2015-09-01 23:35:14,"Atheist. A person who spends all his time and thoughts obsessing about things he claims does not exist. A supercilious, friendless fedora tipper. A cancerous, stinking, avoidable entity. Someone not to invite to dinner parties. A person who objects to 'things being shoved down his throat' while sneeringly and insufferably moaning on and on about his brainwashed ideology. One who in strawman fashion pointing to the flaws in religions, whilst manifesting all the worst aspects of cult behaviour",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441150514
50871215,50879701,2015-09-01 23:36:44,">>50879620
Almost everyone who might call themselves, or be described by others, as an atheist, has spent time thinking about ""life, the universe, and everything"". That makes all of them intellectuals compared to many of those who inherited religious beliefs from their parents and never seriously questioned it. 
That's one reason why atheists are less likely to be stupid and selfish.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1441150604
50871215,50879715,2015-09-01 23:37:02,">>50879402
>>50878710
Well he believed Gods were invented by humans. This is very clear, he wrote a fucking book explaining how and why the Christian and Jewish Gods were made. He never directly called himself an atheist because he did believe that certain things were 'holy' or 'divine' but these divine things are not spirits or gods but the Overman: humanity's ultimate form.
You do realize that he is literally the most hostile philosophy to religion ever (particularly Christianity). He called the belief in after life ""poison"". And said things like ""the goal of Christianity is to make the whole world sick""
He was more favorable to other religions. Buddhism and Hinduism he ranked as better than Christianity and Judaism but he still considered them poisonous.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441150622
50871215,50879770,2015-09-01 23:38:02,">>50878551
Let's be clear that I'm talking about Christianity in general though most of the God of the Gaps stuff is found within Protestantism. 
If I would use ""the Church"" it would refer to a single denomination usually Catholicism.
>For instance, Jesus Christ and the gospels, have absolutely nothing to do with Saul/Paul of Tarsus(Apostle Paul). Plus, Christianity was majorly modified at the ""Council of Nicaea"".
Not really tbh. All the Council of Nicaea did was affirm the deity of Christ. Larry Hurtado for example would say that this deity of Christ was accepted though the first Christians would be binitarian(God is the Father and Jesus). 
>But, we must separate people being ""non-religious""(IE not adhering to a particular mainstream religious faith), and being an ""atheist"". Almost everyone, except children, believe that there is at least something special to life. Most of the people who claim to not believe in god, seem to believe in ghosts(or some other supernatural forces). Many believe in reincarnation, or some other afterlife.
That's because we want an enchanted world not one that is disenchanted. I believe thanks to the Reformation a major part of this enchantment was lost. This is why the Protestants have to look elsewhere to get enchantment by forming societies like the Freemasons with a history stretching back to Biblical times or the interest in the Jewish Kabbalah. As time went on, they turned towards prophecy and Eschatology to sort of regain the enchantment. 
>To me, that seems ""normal"". Atheists who reject absolutely everything, in the vast majority of cases seem to be mentally ill. And their reasoning is less scientific, and more because they have either a hatred for religion, a hatred for life, or a hatred for authority and rules.
I wouldn't say all tbh. Granted there are Atheists like that but not all of them, in particular the more philosophically minded of them.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441150682
50871215,50879877,2015-09-01 23:40:11,">>50879255
>I don't believe there is evil
I also don't believe in evil. I never said anything about evil. I said ""because bad things happen, god must not exist"".
Secondly, who said anything about evolution being random? I'm talking about the existence of the universe, the creation of DNA, the cosmological constant, etc. You need to learn just how complex our universe is, and just how difficult life was to ""create""(from natural/random events).
Go read about Fermi's paradox, go read about how necessary our very large moon(relative to the size of Earth), was for life to even exist. Go read about the amazing properties of water. Among a thousand other things. Evolution is simple to understand, the wave-particle duality, and other aspects of quantum mechanics, blows my fucking mind.
I would completely agree with you that ""all of this could exist without god"". But in my opinion, once you really begin to understand and appreciate the complexity of everything around you, it starts to feel utterly absurd that all of this happened merely by chance, and for absolutely no reason.
I was once an atheist(or at the very least an agnostic deist), but the more I learn, and the more I live, I found it more and more difficult to believe that nothing exists beyond this world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441150811
50871215,50880074,2015-09-01 23:43:53,">>50875068
This.
Can't wait to be a crusader.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441151033
50871215,50880190,2015-09-01 23:46:16,">>50880074
Me too. I can't wait to lead the coup against Pope Francis, become the new Pope and declare a crusade against the zombie hordes threatening our borders.
The mongols are not here to save Europa this time but don't worry, the Catholic Church will",,Sakurahime of Mochi,120505-A-PINK-Eunji-s-Selca-Update-a-pink-EC-97-90-EC-9D-B4-ED-95-91-ED-81-AC-31627157-360-480.png,szYMXOpmcPOCcjByQ5Hx5w==,MY,,1441151176
50871215,50880200,2015-09-01 23:46:27,">>50879701
in my experience, internet atheists as a group are the most socially maladjusted, the least self-aware, group of all",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441151187
50871215,50880248,2015-09-01 23:47:27,">>50879715
>don't believe this book. Believe this other book instead
>Nietzsche was literally insane",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441151247
50871215,50880274,2015-09-01 23:47:55,">>50879877
10/10",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441151275
50871215,50880275,2015-09-01 23:47:55,"There is one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus is the messiah He sent.",,Anonymous,allahu ackbar.jpg,Oy9kLd6W1S87nRxHRVLjlA==,US,,1441151275
50871215,50880338,2015-09-01 23:49:05,">>50879770
Many non-Trinitarian Christians to this day. Most of the pre-Constantinople Christians were not Trinitarian. Most 4th and 5th century believers were 'Arians', thus denying the co-subtantiality of Father and Son, let alone the Holy Spirit (never a person)",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441151345
50871215,50880415,2015-09-01 23:50:36,">>50879877
There was no chance involved in cosmology either. It was a battlefield. Masses of gravity competed for resource to see who would be the first to build a star and command the rest of the matter. The planets competed to see who would produce the best environment. 
I disagree with the cold mechanical view of nature. The galaxy is a mother. The planets were her children and they have been at war. Earth won.
As for whether there is something 'beyond our world' of there is, there are other galaxies. And there may be secrets even beyond that. But that is not divine, that's just more terrain to explore. Divinity should be a term that only applies to humans. God is an alien.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441151436
50871215,50880456,2015-09-01 23:51:15,">>50879255
>Why do you think atheists hate life?
I misspoke somewhat. I really meant that they ""hate the world""(not necessarily life). Basically, they are incredibly critical of everything and everyone. Or really, atheists are always ""incredibly disappointed and annoyed"" with almost everything around them.
Atheists do enjoy becoming atheists, because atheism is a release from the responsibilities, rules, expectations, and obligations that come with religion. To become an atheist, is to become ""free"". In much the same way that getting your own apartment and moving out of your parent's house, is to become more ""free"". It is to break away from the authority which ruled over your life, and to allow you to rule your life instead. In a sense, you can now do whatever you want.
But, as I said before, this pathology is to a very large extent, the result of a general lack of respect for authority. Which is exactly why the current generation(which seems to be highly atheists/non-religious), has such an objection to authority. To be an atheist, is to be a perpetual rebellious child. And there are very few exceptions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441151475
50871215,50880570,2015-09-01 23:53:19,Do any of the links/essays in the OP refute this infograph?,,Anonymous,1436586547371.jpg,UgZrJZ1AwuE5odc2NEkzOg==,AU,,1441151599
50871215,50880613,2015-09-01 23:54:05,">>50879877
Complexity is just your point of view. But look around, there are so many other galaxies, planets, solar systems, so many opportunities. Just because it so happens that you were born and have some kind of illusion of self here, doesn't make it complex in the way that it can only mean to have been designed. We're not talking Renaissance paintings here, we're talking big balls of stardust, eventually some proteins develop for some reason and complexity arose from evolution. Perhaps you have to think about the scope of your thoughts. Think in term of billions of years, incredible distance of space, ludicrously big amount of energy spread all across it.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441151645
50871215,50880660,2015-09-01 23:54:54,">>50880456
> atheism is a release from the responsibilities, rules, expectations, and obligations that come with religion. 
 If you think you get your morals from religion, answer this: how did you decide that ""love thy neighbor"" is a worthwhile rule but stoning someone who works on the sabbath isn't? What is it that lets you pick one religious mandate from an other?
Hypocrisy?",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1441151694
50871215,50880663,2015-09-01 23:54:59,">>50880338
Of course they aren't Trinatarian. They were Binatarian. 
>Most 4th and 5th century believers were 'Arians', thus denying the co-subtantiality of Father and Son, let alone the Holy Spirit (never a person)
Sauce!!",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441151699
50871215,50880672,2015-09-01 23:55:10,">>50880248
Nietzsche's insanity came AFTER he wrote his books retard. It was caused by a brain tumor, which was the same thing that killed his father And no not once in any of his books did he ever say he believed that Gods were not man-made. And virtually every mention of the Christian and Jewish Gods were negative. His opinions about other Gods were mixed although his favorites seemed to be the Greek ones.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441151710
50871215,50880697,2015-09-01 23:55:31,">>50880570
>immaterial thing interacts with material thing 
>remains immaterial",,Anonymous,140.jpg,bMKCCsGyokDEJXrJHra8AQ==,US,,1441151731
50871215,50880724,2015-09-01 23:55:57,">>50880456
They enjoy the 'freedom'. Nietzsche was also an amoralist. But paradoxically, many seem to become incredibly angry at this gain of freedom. Perhaps this compares with children who have lax parents. They have more superficial freedom, but really most children with no discipline have less fulfilling lives, and have a lower life expectancy, etc.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441151757
50871215,50880809,2015-09-01 23:57:41,">>50880456
I think we make a pretty clear distinction between society authority and religion authority. And when I look at the best, all context preserved, I don't think we're any different than any other generation. The biggest difference is that we don't live in fear of expression, of questioning. If you think authority shouldn't be questioned, I ask you why a democracy is even useful?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441151861
50871215,50881028,2015-09-02 00:01:58,">>50880613
Yet relativity and all universal constants don't work without a point of observation, an observer. Consciousness is hardwired into the universe. Nothing in the universe could exist without consciousness. 
The universe evidently manifests design, to any conceivable pattern we can conceive. Therefore we have to conclude, it had a designer. It is far more complex than any human design, and no vaguely complex design that we know the origin of was without a conscious designer. The human mind is highly analogous to a computer although vastly more complex. We know that computers do not self-generate. They aren't autochthonous. It is unreasonable to assume that the human brain wasn't designed by a super-engineer.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441152118
50871215,50881193,2015-09-02 00:05:05,">>50880570
I wrote one up in the faq. If you want an even shorter refutation there something called weak nuclear force. It's a self-causing force in nature that is responsible for many things. Aquinas's entire argument are that nothing can be self-causing. Weak nuclear force and gravity defeat it. The FAQ though has another counter.
>>50880456
Sound to me like you just hate atheists. Atheism is has a greater sense of responsibility than a belief in a personal God. There is no one to 'forgive' for your mistakes or guide you other than yourself. This is what it means to be an adult.
As for the world. The one who hates the world is the one who wants to escape it. Why bother having a spirit world if not to escape the real world? I love the world, I see no evil or sin in it. The world is a good place and it is not God that makes it good but man. Where humans live, the earth is divine. 
As for freedom: yes atheism does have more freedom than religious dogma. But we are not free from Yahweh because there is no Yahweh. We are from the priesthood who use Yahweh as a sock puppet. To obey the bible is to obey the people that wrote it. To go to church is to obey the priest. No where in Christianity does God have any authority, he is a sock puppet.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441152305
50871215,50881228,2015-09-02 00:05:34,">>50872413
Half the population is sub-100 IQ.
Religion will never disappear.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441152334
50871215,50881316,2015-09-02 00:07:30,">>50871324
Atheism is lack of belief in a deity. You can still believe in the parts of religion that don't involve a deity. Or you could derive your morals from people instead of gods. Lots of secular philosophers to draw morals from.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441152450
50871215,50881355,2015-09-02 00:08:21,">>50881228
IQ has nothing to do with religion moron.",,Anonymous,,,PR,,1441152501
50871215,50881364,2015-09-02 00:08:30,">>50880663
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
The creed of Arian Ulfilas (c. 311 – 383), which concludes a letter praising him written by Auxentius,[12] distinguishes God the Father (""unbegotten""), who is the only true God from Son of God (""only-begotten""), who is Lord/Master; and the Holy Spirit (the illuminating and sanctifying power), who is neither God nor Lord/Master:
 I, Ulfila, bishop and confessor, have always so believed, and in this, the one true faith, I make the journey to my Lord; I believe in only one God the Father, the unbegotten and invisible, and in his only-begotten son, our Lord/Master and God, the designer and maker of all creation, having none other like him. Therefore there is one God of all, who is also God of our God; and in one Holy Spirit, the illuminating and sanctifying power, as Christ said after his resurrection to his apostles: ""And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you; but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be clothed with power from on high"" (Luke 24:49) and again ""But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Ghost is come upon you"" (Acts 1:8); Neither God nor Lord/Master, but the faithful minister of Christ; not equal, but subject and obedient in all things to the Son. And I believe the Son to be subject and obedient in all things to God the Father.[14]
Ulfilas was the 'apostle to the Germans'. Hence all of the Germanic tribes, except the Franks, were originally Arian. Most of the emperors between Constantine and Theodosius were Arian.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441152510
50871215,50881413,2015-09-02 00:09:28,I assume this general is part of the banana raid?,,Anonymous,1340595485841.jpg,Pbk3JEYHIq49GRCTSaU3wQ==,CA,,1441152568
50871215,50881438,2015-09-02 00:10:17,">>50881028
>Nothing in the universe could exist without consciousness.
That's an hypothesis which is unprovable, one way or the other. Before you were born, you can't prove to yourself the universe was there. I choose to believe it was.
>The universe evidently manifests design, to any conceivable pattern we can conceive.
That's not a fact. That's your opinion, you're applying correlation to a causality problem. It's not because something has a shape that it needs a designer.
There's no link between human mind and computers that we know of, that's just a common thing we say because we can simulate and emulate decision making (that's the only thing a computer does, make decision from input and give output like the human mind, but design wise it's not something we can even compare).
You're lacking in reasoning. We can observe things we weren't even remotely in interaction and find patterns in them. Patterns themselves are just a form of categorization, a concept we use.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441152617
50871215,50881461,2015-09-02 00:10:43,">>50880660
>If you think you get your morals from religion.
Well, now you've gotten into a realm that is difficult for me to explain.
First, I don't necessarily get my morals from religion(as I said, I wouldn't consider myself a Christian, though I kind of wish that I was).
Which brings us to a more important question, are there any benefits to getting your morals from religion or a ""holy book""?
It isn't that atheists can't be ""moral"". The problem with atheism is that as time goes on we begin to have a difficult understanding what morality even is. Does morality even exist?
No one requires a holy book to know that murder is wrong. But is murder always wrong? Is theft always wrong? What about adultery? Should marriage even exist?
Should morality be set by a mere majority in a democracy? Basically, should 51% get to decide what isn't and what is moral? Who gets to decide?
Atheists for the most part, are currently fairly harmless, because they were brought up in a culture which basically instilled in them ""Judeo-Christian values"". But as generations pass, without that bedrock, what would be the result? What do you think of nudist colonies?
The purpose of a book, is to set a universal code of morality, that everyone agrees to, which is completely unchanging, to prevent the rise of ""moral-relativism"". Which inevitably produces either ""moral-anarchy"", or ""moral-oppression"".
To understand look at the pic again from, >>50875068",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441152643
50871215,50881492,2015-09-02 00:11:25,">>50881364
 4th century Athanasian prelate Gregory of Nyssa famously observed:
""Everywhere, in the public squares, at crossroads, on the streets and lanes, people would stop you and discourse at random about the Trinity. If you asked something of a moneychanger, he would begin discussing the question of the Begotten and the Unbegotten. If you questioned a baker about the price of bread, he would answer that the Father is greater and the Son is subordinate to Him. If you went to take a bath, the Anomoean bath attendant would tell you that in his opinion the Son simply comes from nothing.""
It wasn't until Theodosius' reign, and more perniciously under Justinian and the whore Theodora, that non-Trinitarians were persecuted. Arians were tortured and killed by Justinian in order to force them to accept orthodoxy. Still, pockets of non-Trinitarian resistance emerged all over Christendom. Many of them, like William Tyndale, Michael Servetus, Franz Manz, Jan Hus, Waldo, and others were murdered, others had to flee brutal persecution.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441152685
50871215,50881544,2015-09-02 00:12:31,">>50881355
You see how malignant and repugnant the fedora tippers really are. Smug malignant supercilious air wasters will always be with us, until Judgement Day",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441152751
50871215,50881586,2015-09-02 00:13:24,">>50880613
>we're talking big balls of stardust 
>eventually some proteins develop for some reason 
>and complexity arose from evolution.
And it just happened... Poof! Just like that! 
There's no beauty, no mystery, no evil. Just perspective....
Poof! 
Complexity? An illusion!
Personal experience? Irrelevant!
Miracles? Mass delusion!
Belief in God? A memetic virus!
This is why I quit being an atheist.....",,Anonymous,1436580636883.jpg,TsfvUT3PEmRkgklmNDhqhQ==,PT,,1441152804
50871215,50881652,2015-09-02 00:15:20,">>50881461
Code of Law. That's the new Holy Bible. We teach our children the reason why it's not cool to kill your bros. We make them think by themselves why it's better that harm is not done to others by making them understand they could be that other one. Lots of these are present in Christianity for example, but it doesn't make it their property, nor do we need to take it from them. It's just something a lot of people agree on, and use that.
I feel pretty comfortable about our future if we go by that path. We should have people knowing what their doing instead of doing stuff because they're afraid to make baby Jesus cry and go in hell.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441152920
50871215,50881687,2015-09-02 00:16:03,">>50881544
Says the Christian who probably wants to kill fags instead of emprisioning them.",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1441152963
50871215,50881696,2015-09-02 00:16:23,">>50881586
Because it's no fun? Geez, you really need all that mumbo jumbo to have fun, sucks to be you.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441152983
50871215,50881755,2015-09-02 00:17:36,">>50881586
Portugal por favor",,Anonymous,Untitled-7.png,I8XyBuEJZT0i5ycfxxGYvQ==,BR,,1441153056
50871215,50881881,2015-09-02 00:19:58,">>50881438
No, the universal constants require an observer, an observation point. Am I to take it you lack comprehension, since you can't see this basic point? For example, relativity exists. It is measurable. But without an observation point, it is meaningless. Similarly, all constants involve a point of reference, a, b,c, or x. Without that point, there are no universal constants. The universe was created by consciousness, for consciousness.
And if the patterns we see are meaningless, then every statement is meaningless. You ask for evidence of a creator, I mention ideas which are universal to humans, and that relate to how all humans look at the world. Perhaps it is the patterns that are real, and the facts you seek are a mirage.
Obviously you must reject evolutionism, because the actual or so-called evidence base of this is all about projecting patterns of similarity on different forms, and inferring causality from apparent correlation. 
Categorization is essential in fact in our development of science. No human creative scientist has ever worked in the limited, lifeless, binary way you propose. Scientists are always finding patterns, sometimes subjectively, and using this as a basis for ideas and progress.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441153198
50871215,50881905,2015-09-02 00:20:35,">>50881028
Like 99.9999% of the universe is unsuited for life. Earth began as a fucking molten hell of chaos and destruction. The universe was clearly NOT made for life. Rather life found a way to assert itself in seemingly impossible situations. It is insulting to the entire linage of humanity, a lineage that goes back to the first micro-organism, to say that their existence was not because of their own trial and struggle but because some sort of galactic wizard was punching numbers on a space keyboard.
>>50880724
My life was dreadfully unfufilling as a Christian. I did not receive one moment of happiness from it in 8+ years. The only reason I stuck with it was because I was very young and the thought of hell kept me in check. I removed the holy spirit from my body, pulled it out like a tapeworm and killed it. Since than I was allowed to get fulfillment that had been denied to me. The door to philosophy, self-determination, and being able to kill the earth 'good' instead 'sinful' only opened after I left the religion.
So how can you possibly say that atheism leads to 'fulfillment' when I experienced the exact opposite? If I had stayed a devote Christian I would have probably ended up taking depression medication.
>>50881228
Peer pressure. That's what keeps a lot of religion releveant. They do it because everyone else does it and says it's 'good' to be religious. If Christianity drops below 50% these people will suddenly turn around reject it. They will be 'cool' by being atheists. They learn to do by mimicry and they can mimic an atheist just as well as a Christian. This is why the growth rate for atheism will not stay the same, it will INCREASE. The hardest part of the climb is when we are the minority, once we became 35-50% of the population we will not even need to exert ourself, we will just ride the momentum.
Although I'm kind of thinking the New Age will make it impossible to go more than 80%",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441153235
50871215,50881919,2015-09-02 00:20:56,">>50881696
No because it is miserable, malignant, and misanthropic",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441153256
50871215,50881931,2015-09-02 00:21:14,">>50881586
>poof
that is certainly one way to describe a few billion years.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441153274
50871215,50881957,2015-09-02 00:21:40,">>50881687
I don't want to do either. Go and club a baby seal",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441153300
50871215,50881975,2015-09-02 00:22:16,">>50881586
>There's no beauty, no mystery, no evil
Why does something have to be an intrinsic physical property to be important?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441153336
50871215,50881978,2015-09-02 00:22:19,">>50881696
Go ahead, keep being the enlightened cynic. Like I give a fuck. I'm not a Christian. 
I'm just not retarded enough to believe there is no conscious entity responsible for the creation of cosmos.
>we're talking big balls of stardust 
>eventually some proteins develop for some reason 
>and complexity arose from evolution
And you believe that because of the evidence, of course. You are a free thinker, a man of truth and rationality, and unlike the religious, there is not a shred of emotional component in your dismissive attitude regarding the idea of God.",,Anonymous,hill.jpg,WW6+sXsfwcA4tiAajTOq0Q==,PT,,1441153339
50871215,50881995,2015-09-02 00:22:40,">>50881193
>Sound to me like you just hate atheists.
I don't hate atheists. I just believe they are making a mistake. And that mistake will not only harm themselves, but it will harm, and ultimately destroy society itself.
Much of their hatred for Christianity is based on a false reading of history. They pretend as if the church was always and forever killing anyone who questioned the church, or pursued science. But if that was true, why have Christians been such supporters of science? Why would atheists even exist?
The attacks against religion are largely dishonest, and the reason there is such a strong and persistent effort to destroy Christianity, is because Christianity prevents the rise of Marxism. The two are forever hostile to each other.",,Anonymous,Richard+dawkins+quote_fdef56_5507677.jpg,fnW9V7MUJ8ciLCHHOel0jQ==,US,,1441153360
50871215,50882164,2015-09-02 00:26:24,">>50881905
I am talking about universal constants. Mathematics requires a conscious agent. I don't really consider microbes an example of 'consciousness'. The sentience which existed prior to humanity must have been extra-dimensional. 
I am glad you feel more fulfilled. No one should be forced to believe anything against their will.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441153584
50871215,50882178,2015-09-02 00:26:35,">>50880200
Probably because you spend most of your time looking at atheist comments on 4chan and youtube",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1441153595
50871215,50882260,2015-09-02 00:28:20,">>50881905
>It is insulting to the entire linage of humanity, a lineage that goes back to the first micro-organism, to say that their existence was not because of their own trial and struggle
So free will exists?",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1441153700
50871215,50882261,2015-09-02 00:28:21,">>50881995
>fake quote 
>projection 
Noice",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441153701
50871215,50882282,2015-09-02 00:28:52,">>50881492
Wow. The more you know I guess.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441153732
50871215,50882373,2015-09-02 00:30:45,">>50882178
Okay. Not entirely true, but there is an element of truth in that. Not denying that well adjusted, non spiteful atheists exist, of course they do. I guess its like feminism. You know there are half way decent feminists out there, but the public face, both in old media and on the interwebs, is dominated by a really nasty type of extremist. And there is a link, perhaps not a necessarily causative one in every case, but a strong link nevertheless, between atheism, marxism and feminism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441153845
50871215,50882390,2015-09-02 00:31:02,">>50881881
I understand the physics, don't try to teach me about observers. The thing is it's not a fact, it's an interpretation. What you refer to is a Copenhagen interpretation. I was referring with correlation that you apply rudimentary correlation of shapes to infer causality. In evolution, the causality are inferred from similar entities of a specie which tend to have slightly different attributes on a long period of time, in a specific region, under certain environmental alteration (to which the specimens adapted of course). Your statement was :
>The universe evidently manifests design, to any conceivable pattern we can conceive.
So you're saying if there's a shape, then it's design, and just because you say so but without clues of causality.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441153862
50871215,50882403,2015-09-02 00:31:23,">>50882260
He solved that one easily didn't he",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441153883
50871215,50882582,2015-09-02 00:35:49,">>50881978
I'm agnostic but eh who cares. I'm just saying assuming something immaterial to have effects on material doesn't make proper sense until we can, and that I don't think it's at all possible from what I've seen and researched that enlighten dudes told us they've been told by immaterial mystical forces. Might be boring, but heck I just don't believe in unicorns.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441154149
50871215,50882614,2015-09-02 00:36:22,">>50881652
>We make them think by themselves why it's better that harm is not done to others by making them understand they could be that other one.
Look, do you think ""The golden rule"" isn't taught in the bible? The bible is full of stories with lessons about why you shouldn't do this or that. The bible is not simply the ten commandments.
Regardless, the problem with ""thinking for yourself"", is as I pointed out, there tends to be as many opinions as there are people.
If you create an ideology where no one agrees with each other on absolutely anything, and at the same time, encourages people not to have respect for any authority. What you end up with is anarchy. It is ""every man for himself"".
An atheist may follow the golden rule, or he may not. In the case that he doesn't, his moral philosophy completely breaks down. And the only thing which inhibits his behavior, is the fear of being caught. But that simply means that he will ""do whatever he can get away with"".
Now, obviously this isn't merely an atheist problem, it is a human problem. But in atheism, you are the ""center of the universe"". Or more specifically you have a ""self-centered"" view of the world. In religion, it attempts to do just the opposite. To make you part of something greater. To place someone else above you, to prevent you from becoming a self-centered, rebellious, uncooperative A-hole.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441154182
50871215,50882707,2015-09-02 00:38:26,">>50882614
Just curious. Are you Agnostic master race?",,Sakurahime of Mochi,image.jpg,lHJ8l/11Qy2bfjNp5Ur5HA==,MY,,1441154306
50871215,50882736,2015-09-02 00:39:08,">>50881995
I understand Christianity pretty well and there is nothing I like in it. I know this seems difficult to grasp but there can be people that fully understand your religion and see no reason why it should stay alive. I am one of those people so are many atheists. Yahweh is a trouble maker and a liar. I do not 'hate' Christianity I just recognize that it's poison and that getting rid of poison is a great idea.
The reason the church has begun supporting science is because the church is on it's fucking knees begging for the world to spare it's life. Science is hostile to religion because the proof for God has always been about putting Gods into gaps. 
And you are right that Marx saw Christianity as an enemy. But Nietzsche also saw Christianity as an enemy and for very different reasons, in fact Nietzche would have probably seen Marx as an equally big enemy asChristianity. Christianity has ALWAYS had enemies. The only difference is today the religion cannot defeat it's enemy It cannot defeat Marx, Nietzsche, or science. They are stronger than Christ. So the only option for Christianity is to beg for mercy. To try to make an alley of science or of Marx. But science does not want Christ. Marx can use Christ but once he becomes no longer of use he will discard him. Nietzsche does not want Christ either.
One way or another Christianity will fade away. Marx and Nietzsche will continue their battle and until one of them dies. Science too will go on to new battles.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441154348
50871215,50882755,2015-09-02 00:39:26,">>50882582
>I just don't believe in unicorns
And your arguments are your own. You're not just regurgitating nonsense, like those silly Christians?
God? Yeah right? What next? Santa Claus?!
AHAAHAH! BEING ENLIGHTENED IS FUN!",,Anonymous,1434329447844.jpg,OuWOd4XLWLu3rk7tPjn7cQ==,PT,,1441154366
50871215,50882839,2015-09-02 00:41:26,">>50882390
No, this is more than the Copenhagen interpretation. It is the fact that all scientific constants require a point of observation, x. Not just relativity. But in fact relativity is irrelevant utterly without a point of observation. The uncertainty principle is not the main point of my argument although arguably related. 
Now you cannot see the direct correlation between your basic argument and evolutionism. 
It is your self-interested and intellectually dishonest myopia that cannot see the analogy.
Taxonomies are only patterns. I doubt that you question evolutionary theory.
But as to design in nature, well we see structure, mathematical relationships, layers of categories, balance, vast forces working as well as any human designed machine. To use a cliche, the universal 'watch'. And its not mere patterns, as if the universe could be reduced to a blue triangle and a red square. It obeys enforced laws, and we from a tiny speck, can make reasoned and often accurate speculation about it. Also, it is beautiful. Can atheists not perceive beauty? Your loss, my friends.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441154486
50871215,50882845,2015-09-02 00:41:31,">>50882403
I doubt he even understands what he ultimately implies by rejecting the existence of God as a necessary component for free will.",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1441154491
50871215,50882852,2015-09-02 00:41:50,">>50882614
Social behavior is in your best interest 99% of the time.
Reciprocity, not altruism, is the basis of most human interactions. 
Rules of behavior develop out of survival necessity, not divine legislation.
I have never understood this argument. The idea that someone whose only goal in life was to live a good life, be successful, and happy, would be a cheating scoundrel who murders and rapes. Because as we all know, the happiest people are all cheating scoundrels who kill and rape. So someone who was truly in it for himself would immediately regress to such base behavior that will not in any way negatively effect him. 
Any sufficiently advanced hedonism is indistinguishable from virtue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441154510
50871215,50882926,2015-09-02 00:43:37,">>50882614
Read mang.
>Lots of these are present in Christianity for example, but it doesn't make it their property, nor do we need to take it from them. It's just something a lot of people agree on, and use that.
And you don't seem to realize atheists still live in societies which have state and church separated. The Law is exactly to put these laws in a book and the government enforces them. In exchange you get the live in society. The bonus? You get to change them as knowledge evolves, as philosophy brings more rights for people which doesn't infringe on others'. It's much like religion in a sense, except we have the control because we can think. If you think people shouldn't be allowed to think and that rules taught from the Bible are eternally true, you need to go live in a country where state is the church, while the rest of the world progresses.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441154617
50871215,50882936,2015-09-02 00:43:48,">>50882839
Actually the uncertainty principle is implicit in my argument to be honest. How can you have a science that requires an observer, if observers and consciousness were not hardwired into the system? It is an absurd contention.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441154628
50871215,50882968,2015-09-02 00:44:40,">>50882845
But that he rejects the a priori concept of God means that he in fact establishes the fact of God",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441154680
50871215,50883045,2015-09-02 00:46:22,">>50882926
Yes, we need more gay marriage, quotas, abortion, and lax parenting, because society has evolved, not immutable laws about truth and goodness",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441154782
50871215,50883097,2015-09-02 00:47:52,">>50882164
Ok. So let me see if I get you. You believe that certain parts of nature require a conscious agent? And that these parts of nature predate mankind? Therefor there must be a consciousness that predates man?
1. Why does the consciousness need to exist outside the universe?
2. Exactly how does math need conscious agent. Math is just a way of explaining things we see and noticing patterns.
>>50882260
'My brain' and 'the chemicals in my body' are ME. What they do is my will. 
However will is not 100% free. There are other wills that are trying to control me. They succeed to a small existent. I am at any given moment 50-95% 'free'. If I was say a slave though I would only be 10-30% 'free'.
>>50882614
The golden rule is just asking to get exploited. You know the prisoners dilemma game? If you play the golden rule in that you will pick cooperate every time. If your opponent knows that you are playing golden rule he will betray you every time and win every round.
A better rule is to just evaluate each individual person you meet and decide whether or not you can trust them. Than to change your evaluation based on evidence. In other words when playing the prisoner dilemma game figure out what your opponent's strategy is and than find the best counter strategy.
This is why moral rules that you 'always follow' are for bad players. You will get exploited. Your rules should be flexable so you can deal with a variety of different situations. Complaining that other people play by different rules just makes you a scrub.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441154872
50871215,50883206,2015-09-02 00:51:29,">>50882852
>Rules of behavior develop out of survival necessity, not divine legislation.
I'm something of a ""Right Hegelian"". Basically, I think the fact that religion has been endemic to all civilizations throughout time, means that obviously religion is a necessary ingredient for civilization.
In my opinion, there are two reasons for this.
First, because you need a common moral code that all can agree to. The idea that morality can be set through a Democracy is absurd. Those who disagree with it, simply refuse to obey it.
Secondly, it is a matter of ""Matriarchy vs patriarchy"". Civilization REQUIRES patriarchy. Every single civilization is a patriarchy. And those nations which have seen a shift towards matriarchy, are destroying themselves.
Patriarchy and religion could just as well be the same word. All religions are patriarchy. God is a patriarch. A father-figure.
When the NEETs on this board rant about wanting a ""traditional wife"" from Asia, Eastern Europe, or Latin-America. What tradition actually means is, they want a woman who comes from a patriarchal environment. And patriarchy only exists where religion exists.
There is no other way my friends.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441155089
50871215,50883245,2015-09-02 00:52:24,">>50883097
math needs a point of reference. The only things that can understand a point of reference are conscious beings. Therefore mathematics implies consciousness. Without it, it becomes meaningless. 
Relativity requires a point of observation more so than most physics.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441155144
50871215,50883497,2015-09-02 01:00:09,">>50882839
Taxonomies are pattern, but don't you see the relation between entities? Or you just don't seem to understand what causality is? The mathematical model of physics you say depends on observer is exactly the Copenhagen interpretation, which is causing problem to unification of model and so clearly not complete (which doesn't make laws derived from it less accurate in situations of application where axioms apply).
Again you're using basic conceptualization to account for design. None of them indicate they rely on such a thing. Especially if you bring beauty in the mix, as you define intrinsic properties of the universe as perfect. I see beauty in art and landscape, but that's really extrinsic beauty. Can you understand the difference?
>>50883045
That's the exact reason. Not because you disagree that it makes it less progressive. You're slowing us down, we've already made the step to a church free society, for the best.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441155609
50871215,50883530,2015-09-02 01:01:07,">>50883245
>The only things that can understand a point of reference are conscious beings.
>understand 
Understanding doesn't cause things to exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441155667
50871215,50883634,2015-09-02 01:04:26,">>50883530
Actual observation is inherent in the uncertainty principle. Understanding therefore is hardwired into physics. There are other, but less stark examples.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441155866
50871215,50883695,2015-09-02 01:06:24,">>50883245
This is probably the best argument I've heard for Deism. So that's pretty neat.
 I am not very familiar with relativity but isn't it that you don't need consciousness in relativity? The distance between two or more objects and their mass/shape is there regardless of if we observe them? Is your argument more advanced than ""If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?"" 
>>50883206
>all religions are patriarchy
Actually the first religions worshiped Goddesses. The oldest idol ever is of a fertility goddess. All polytheistic religions had female Gods. If were an Athenian your primary God would be Athena, the Goddess of your city. If you were living off the land you would worship Diana or Freya the Goddess of the wilds.
And we can even turn the Christian God into something that is woman (or half woman) if we want. The Orthodox allow the Worship of Sophia, God's feminine element. If we dig into Kabbalah Christianity God has equal parts male and female. Even if you made all people Christian they would still find a way to worship woman.
As a matter of fact the LACKE of female Gods is one of the things that makes Christianity degenerate and unstable. Femininity should have a place in worship. If men learn to be fathers by worshiping a father God than women need a mother Goddess to teach them to be mothers. This is why all ancient religions had mother Goddesses.
Catholicism tried to do this with Mary but Protestants fucked it up.
And as for Christianity feminizing women and making them obedient. It failed. The religion has no power anymore. The gates of heaven may not fall against hell but they stand no chances against feminism. Marx is stronger than God. You cannot use a weak force like Christianity to defeat a strong force like Marx. Instead Christianity SUBMITS to Marx and makes a female bishop =/",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441155984
50871215,50883733,2015-09-02 01:07:30,">>50883634
No it isn't! Look up wheelers delayed experiments. Geeze, everyone thinks they understand the double slit experiment without researching it!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441156050
50871215,50883770,2015-09-02 01:08:25,">>50882164
Correct, Maths require a conscious agent, just as language. 
However does this imply that God exist? It could just be systems devised by conscious agents to better comprehend the external environment and its objects better rather than God infusing them somehow into the universe.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441156105
50871215,50883821,2015-09-02 01:09:41,">>50871215
>can gaytheists can have morals?
No. Like all such questions, this contains another question: what is good, and who is to decide what is good?
Left to himself, Man can in a matter of minutes justify the incineration of populated cities; the deportation, slaughter, disease and starvation of inconvenient people and the mass murder of the unborn.
I have heard people who believe themselves to be good, defend all these things, and convince themselves as well as others. Quite often the same people will condemn similar actions committed by different countries, often with great vigour.
For a moral code to be effective, it must be attributed to, and vested in, a non-human source. It must be beyond the power of humanity to change it to suit itself.
Its most powerful expression is summed up in the words 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'.
The huge differences which can be observed between Christian societies and all others, even in the twilit afterglow of Christianity, originate in this specific injunction.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1441156181
50871215,50883839,2015-09-02 01:10:15,">>50883733
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler's_delayed_choice_experiment
Do you see the implications of this:
""The thing that causes people to argue about when and how the photon learns that the experimental apparatus is in a certain configuration and then changes from wave to particle to fit the demands of the experiment's configuration is the assumption that a photon had some physical form before the astronomers observed it. Either it was a wave or a particle; either it went both ways around the galaxy or only one way. Actually, quantum phenomena are neither waves nor particles but are intrinsically undefined until the moment they are measured. In a sense, the British philosopher Bishop Berkeley was right when he asserted two centuries ago ""to be is to be perceived.""[3]""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441156215
50871215,50883846,2015-09-02 01:10:28,">>50883239 
>>50883499 
>>50883532 
Happeningfags were right all the time, do you think 4chan is kill? WHERE IS YOUR NOT GOD NOW=",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1441156228
50871215,50883856,2015-09-02 01:10:37,">>50883530
Thank you. Plus your point of reference in pure mathematics is arbitrary. Everything can be referential and it works out. Your argument is built on a matter of without humans there's nothing just because you think that being here makes sense of the world, otherwise you wouldn't have a purpose of existence.
>>50883634
Observation is a matter of testing theory. It's a fallacy to imply that when you're not observing something it doesn't exist anymore, or wouldn't have if you wouldn't have been there. What is implied from the uncertainty principle makes sense that the universe at a certain scale doesn't present deterministic events. Doesn't imply that it could be deterministic from hidden variables. You're basically sticking to a view just because you think it can serve you as a reason for design in physics.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441156237
50871215,50883899,2015-09-02 01:11:48,">>50883770
We then come to the First Cause. However there is nothing inherently unreasonable in concluding that there was a team of engineers on the 'universe project'. Whoever was behind that team, could be called God. Not that I believe that the universe was necessarily created in exactly this way.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441156308
50871215,50883913,2015-09-02 01:12:19,">>50883839
And in the experiment a mindless machine measures the results. Your point?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441156339
50871215,50883940,2015-09-02 01:12:53,">>50883856
Read the quote from Wheeler",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441156373
50871215,50884003,2015-09-02 01:14:34,">>50874334
>people have gotten smarter
Problem with that is you seem to assume intelligence autimatically means you are a fedora. The thing it, most of the smartest people in the world are theists.
http://www.examiner.com/article/of-10-highest-iq-s-on-earth-at-least-8-are-theists-at-least-6-are-christians
>it is intelligent to believe that everything exploded out of nothing for no reason and the think that guilt, love and mercy are just chemical illusions
Kek.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1441156474
50871215,50884009,2015-09-02 01:14:47,">>50883940
Yes precisely, should've thought of that before. Although I wanted to make clear the implications of his view.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441156487
50871215,50884059,2015-09-02 01:16:06,">>50883913
The computer being a tool analogous to the human mind, designed by human minds for their use? So anything observed by binoculars, a telegraph, or a spectrograph machine, are somehow seperate from the humans that designed and operate them? Humans cannot by magic perform 'particle acceleration', but they can design particle accelerators and design means for analysing the data. Without a conscious operator, particle analysis is impossible.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441156566
50871215,50884112,2015-09-02 01:17:46,">>50882736
>One way or another Christianity will fade away.
I will say this, I think you know far more about theology than I do. I've never read the entire bible. I've only read certain books(mostly the new testament), and certain parts. I also have read very little of Marx and Nietzsche. The only thing I have extensive knowledge in is science(somewhat ironically?).
To be fair, I didn't really come here to defend Christianity specifically. I came here to defend ""religion"" more broadly, and to criticize atheism. I am not truly a Christian, but I did read most of the ""four gospels"" and do rather like Jesus. My favorite human of all-time was Thomas Jefferson(who put together the ""Jefferson Bible"").
With that said, my main goal here is to destroy atheism, but not to promote any particular religion. I think an atheist view of the world is completely destructive, not only for yourself, but for society as a whole. You are making the world far worse, and you don't even understand why, because you have a narrow and simplistic view of the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fR1vSxNEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBp8M8M4DMs",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441156666
50871215,50884128,2015-09-02 01:18:14,">>50884059
So you're saying binoculars are conscious? Great... 
The machine records the results. It writes it down. No one needs to see the results for them to exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441156694
50871215,50884132,2015-09-02 01:18:21,">>50883821
>man can justify death
Isn't this what God does? According to your bible he invented all disease in the world. He justified it by saying ""two humans once disobeyed me"".
I'll repeat my question. Does God get his morality from his own mind or from another source than himself? If he gets it from his mind than he gets his morality the exact same way I do. If he gets it from another source how is his morality objective?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441156701
50871215,50884139,2015-09-02 01:18:28,">>50883899
I don't because that Creator could just be like the Sphere in the novel Flatland. To the residents of Flatland which is 2D, the Sphere is like a god. Yet when A-Square asks about the possibility of higher dimensions existing, Sphere just kept quiet. He didn't answer and refused to entertain such possibility. 
But how do you get to the First Cause? All we had established is that mathematics requires conscious minds for comprehension.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441156708
50871215,50884232,2015-09-02 01:20:59,Only in America is it controversial to be an atheist.,,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1441156859
50871215,50884289,2015-09-02 01:22:34,">>50883097
>'My brain' and 'the chemicals in my body' are ME. What they do is my will.
You are so basic in your thinking.
I'm too tired to even explain why you're wrong.
You win this one. Do your little sarcastic victory comment now. I'll go to bed knowing I am aware of perspectives that have never even crossed your mind.
>I am Me
... ahaahaha! You actually... Oh my... xD
>I exist
lol
>I am the master of my actions
>my mind is independent of my actions
>I am in control of my thoughts
>reality is random but I am a conscious agent 
>consciousness is found in nature (human beings) but to attribute consciousness to nature is just ""pathetic fallacy"", meaningless poetry.
>I think for myself, I reached these conclusions thinking on my own
lol",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1441156954
50871215,50884310,2015-09-02 01:23:11,">>50884232
Did you know your country will be an atheist majority by 2050? :D",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441156991
50871215,50884329,2015-09-02 01:23:34,">>50884132
>if God is real why do bad things happen
>why are their certain rules for God and not for me
I refuse to believe you are not trolling. This is stuff six year olds learn in Sunday School. I refuse to believe that even gaytheists can be this theologically ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1441157014
50871215,50884367,2015-09-02 01:24:33,">>50884310
Let's hope even sooner.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1441157073
50871215,50884401,2015-09-02 01:25:37,">>50884112
Marxism will die out well before Christianity. The death of Christianity has been preached many times.
>>50884128
If you think that tools man use for science can be discounted as a 3rd agent without observation capacity is as logical as saying that spectacles observe rather than the person wearing them. I can't see the point of continuing this discussion, then.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441157137
50871215,50884442,2015-09-02 01:26:54,">>50884139
Getting to the first cause requires religion. There must be some form of revelation. For me, this is Christianity. Specifically, the JW worldview.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441157214
50871215,50884509,2015-09-02 01:29:16,">>50884401
This type of ""observation"" is wholly detached from consciousness",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441157356
50871215,50884517,2015-09-02 01:29:40,">>50883695
>Actually the first religions worshiped Goddesses.
And Britain had Queen Elizabeth. That didn't make Britain a matriarchal society.
The ""top god"" in all polytheistic religions, are men(IE Zeus). And these ""first religions"" that worshiped goddesses, weren't actual civilizations.
There were matriarchal societies, but all of them were small gathering tribal cultures.
There are three types of societies. You have nomadic societies, which focus largely on hunting. Those societies are always patriarchal.
You have sedentary societies which focus mostly on gathering. Those societies are almost always matriarchal.
Then you have civilization. Civilization is marked by settled agriculture, and property rights. All civilizations are patriarchal. Property rights are patriarchal.
You cannot have civilization without patriarchy. Religion is patriarchy.
This fact should be so obvious to everyone on /pol/, I shouldn't even have to point it out.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441157380
50871215,50884575,2015-09-02 01:31:14,"morality is for those to stupid to realize everyone is biologically selfish, and don't give me blood s thicker than water bullshit most families are composed of members with no commitment to truth and virtue built off I lie is not virtue. 
What keeps us from doing fucked up stuff really is social pressures that leads us to recognize what will make us be ostracized by our groups which lights up the part of our brain where pain is processed
meaning if we can get away with it we will, unless of course your foolish enough to lie to yourself people are more than animals just reacting
Evil is a concept, do what ever you want, just try not to lie to yourself about it, all there we are is animals.
All virtue is is a lie we tell each other to keep the species going or rather our own gene sets
I'm can see my self having children in this hell pit of a world, so if I'm not going to have children i have to ask my self this
Why shouldn't I see everyone as food in front of me for my delight?
Please if I'm wrong show me why. I desperately would like to be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441157474
50871215,50884579,2015-09-02 01:31:16,">>50884442
Why not Deism which doesn't seem to rely upon some form of revelation but the utilization of reason?",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441157476
50871215,50884657,2015-09-02 01:33:44,">>50884509
No it isn't. Who designed all the apparatus? Was it done haphazardly or for the specific purpose of observation? The only observer is the scientist. The tools do not observe, unless we accept that AI has some independent observation capacity. This capacity was programmed in any case by an intelligent designer for this specific purpose and all the data interpreted and categorized by the operator.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441157624
50871215,50884672,2015-09-02 01:34:29,">>50884112
>you don't even understand why, because you have a narrow and simplistic view of the world.
You do realize I consider your world view to be simplistic. For fuck sakes you haven't even read the bible and you are trying to say that it is a great book because a 5 minute you tube video said so? You could have been reading philosophy, which is where the actual high level thinking goes on but you don't. Out of all the religions you could have picked to try to 'help people' you choose the absolute worst religion ever made: Christianity. Furthermore you choose the absolute WORST sect, non-denominational Protestant.
The very things you complain about: the SJW, the Marxism, are all things that have their ROOTS in Christian philosophy. You havn't learned Christian history so you don't realize how Christianity was early egalitarianism. Or how Marx BASED HIS FUCKING IDEAS on Judaeo-Christan philosophy.
Well we have something in common than. I also want to destroy atheism but not in the direct sense. I want it to be rebuilt into a BETTER atheism. 
And I've seen the CS Lewis crap. It's pseudo intellectual garbage. If you honestly think that it's intelligent you should probably read more books. A simple bit of biology should tell you that there is a great difference between humans and other animals.
And the idea that humans are 'lowly' or is exactly the message the bible pushes. Humans are dirty, sinful, and weak, incapable of helping them-self. There are far far more noble religions out there. Hinduism tells people that they are divine and have potential because part of their soul is literally a part of a God. This is part of why Nietzsche considered Christianity a type of mental poison. His alternative was far more Eastern. Humans are divine. The holy place is earth. Compared to mere animals we are Gods. The path to self improvement leads to the creation of the supreme God: the Overman, a human.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441157669
50871215,50884726,2015-09-02 01:36:33,">>50884575
Fill that hole with Jesus",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441157793
50871215,50884760,2015-09-02 01:37:39,">>50871215
You guys miss the point too because you don't combine the ideas.
The sin of the religious is misinterpretation, the sin of the athiest is a lack of imagination.
Millenial concepts like the Tao in China are unexplainably linked to real measurable waves and patterns observed by physics.
Hopkins said his most important work we should understand is time dilation.
Athiests sound like whinny little bitches, complaining because some of us still use the word God to refer to the quantum patterns that everything is made of.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1441157859
50871215,50884784,2015-09-02 01:38:27,">>50884657
>machine without consciousness observes quantum event
>records results 
You're being goofy if you think consciousness needs to be involved. 
Don't you realize waves collapse into particles all the time throughout the cosmos without human observers? Even before humans existed?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441157907
50871215,50884787,2015-09-02 01:38:29,">>50884579
Well, this is another huge discussion. What are the advantages of Christianity, in my view? The moral compass, the truth of prophecy, the verifiability of texts, and the personal benefit of relationships gained with other believers and of God. This kind of belief though has to be personally tested, and it requires 'testing the waters', so to speak. It is akin to Kierkegaard's 'leap of faith'. so as to attain to the kind of faith mentioned in Hebrews 11:1 ""Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld."" So that faith is not a mere credulous naivete, but a concrete belief in a known person. 
The way the universe was created was, I believe, in line with Acts 17:27:
""God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441157909
50871215,50884837,2015-09-02 01:39:55,">>50884672
Islam/ or Satanic Frankist/Sabbatean Judaism which is what Jew bankers believe are much worse options for religions 
though I do agree people should stick to philosophy
Anyone know anything about the observer effect from the physics light experiments in the slit tests?
does it effect your view of reality?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441157995
50871215,50884866,2015-09-02 01:40:45,">>50884575
>What keeps us from doing fucked up stuff really is social pressures that leads us to recognize what will make us be ostracized by our groups which lights up the part of our brain where pain is processed
Also you know, your conscience, not just other people being angry at you. Violence isn't something that feels good as much as it's a faulty outlet survival mechanism, which means violent thoughts and violent attacks are separate.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1441158045
50871215,50884920,2015-09-02 01:42:11,">>50884784
The machine is not the observer. How many times must I say this? 
>Don't you realize waves collapse into particles all the time throughout the cosmos without human observers? Even before humans existed?
Theoretical. But in our direct experience, observation is required for this. Now, I am sure that what you say is true. What we have evidence for, is the universal observer, whose eyes are metaphorically in every place. The fact of this universe implies the existence of many dimensions, and also the direct observation of the designer upon his universal creation from the first moment of singularity to the present.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158131
50871215,50884956,2015-09-02 01:43:39,">>50884787
The truth of prophecy, verifiability of texts and even moral compass are questionable. I tested the waters and they aren't for me and I would not recommend the waters of modern Catholicism, Mormonism, Protestantism or any weird Christian sect out there. It is unnatural and abnormal to what we find in other religions. 
Of course at some point we all have to take a leap of faith in the face of all the absurdity but I haven't reached this point yet.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441158219
50871215,50885033,2015-09-02 01:46:42,">>50884956
I think we have already mentioned free will in this thread. The supreme First Cause obviously grants his creatures a large measure of free will.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158402
50871215,50885036,2015-09-02 01:46:53,">>50884920
So now a universal consciousness exists? Prove it. And how does it exist without an observer to observe it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441158413
50871215,50885067,2015-09-02 01:48:05,">>50884726
>fills head with platitudes
>>50884866
No I don't feel bad, if anything I feel angry because it's like having a broken toy or spoiled food and the person didn't have to be that way but they are and I hate them for it
I hate 99% of people because because they do not have any internal integrity
sure can the occasional ""man"" have it yeah, but that's never going to be a society woman can not be that way it's against their biology and again 90+% of guys will white to women and society",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441158485
50871215,50885124,2015-09-02 01:50:04,">>50871215
I don't think athiesm can ever provide a moral system as functional as christianity can
christianity has a number of things going for it
1. an overarching moral tenant, that is unquestionable and un-alterable
2. s system where people are punished after death
3. a belief that all actions will have consequences 
athiesm has the core problem that when you ask ""why is that wrong""
the answer comes down to individual belief 
eg.
>killing is wrong
>it is wrong because human life is valuable
>human life is valuable because I think it is.
>killing is wrong
>it is wrong because the act of killing is wrong
>the act of killing s wrong because it just is
athiesm in modern times relies solely on normative ethics to support it from day to day, with religious morals to support it
tell me athiest, why should I not steal if I can get away with it?
why should I not rape a woman before I die, in death I am beyond punishment?
how do I make peace with my neighbour if his ideas of ethics conflict with my own, do I conquer him, avoid him or come to a false compromise?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158604
50871215,50885141,2015-09-02 01:50:40,">>50885033
Why couldn't Free Will be something that is emergent? 
I mean sure that OuterLimits is a physicalist but I'm not. I am leaning towards Emergentism where complexities not found in the systems that are interacting together arise when such systems interact.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441158640
50871215,50885154,2015-09-02 01:51:04,">>50885036
I'm inferring a universal observer from physics. Well actually Paul Davies does, I'm basing my argument on some of his. Not a universal consciousness exactly. We aren't observing the observer though. If we could understand his nature, delineate his structure, then we could infer an argument of design in regard to him, or not. And not implying that He is without observers, merely that we can only observe some of his activities, not his essence.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158664
50871215,50885181,2015-09-02 01:51:54,">>50884920
>>50884920
 Are you explaining the observer effect?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441158714
50871215,50885204,2015-09-02 01:52:48,">>50885141
Emergentism seems rather serendipitous though? Imagine if by accident humans appear in a world that is perfectly designed for their needs and desires. It could be just serendipity, or is that straining credulity too much?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158768
50871215,50885215,2015-09-02 01:53:09,">>50885154
>I'm inferring a universal observer from physics
No you're not. I said things can exist without observers then you asserted a universal observer exists. You haven't shown your hypothesis to be true or your universal observer to exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441158789
50871215,50885240,2015-09-02 01:54:17,">>50885181
Not really.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158857
50871215,50885264,2015-09-02 01:54:51,">>50871324
Religion is having an invisible friend that will punish you after you die (IOW after you no longer exist) if you masturbate. You religious people are fucking retarded.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1441158891
50871215,50885265,2015-09-02 01:54:55,">>50884837
Islam is far more masculine than Christianity and as such better. Judaism is actually ok if you are Jewish, it has all the problems of Christianity but at least it makes a distinction between races. Actually Judaism is a little better because they don't the cross. The cross is literally victim worship. I have no clue what Satanist Frankist is but every sect of Satanist I've seen is far more philosophically advanced than Christianity.
Christianity is dead last for religions. Even African tribalism is better. I actually talked to some guy in Africa who's village went from tribal superstition to Protestantism and he described how everything felt spiritually dead and that life had lost it's meaning.
>>50884787
>>50884956
There are no real leaps of faith, at least none that are good ideas. Everything is done for a reason, every cause has an effect. Morality, spiritualism, and the like will increasingly have to come from sources other than religion.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441158895
50871215,50885268,2015-09-02 01:54:58,">>50885036
this is a shallow argument
people understood the properties of oxygen before they could prove it's existance
christians think they can infer the existence of god through effects attributed to him, theoretical physics relies on this mode of reasoning, as does basic algebra",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158898
50871215,50885305,2015-09-02 01:56:10,">>50885181
Although something like the observer effect might be hardwired into some aspects of physics.
>>50885215
>'Things can exist without observers'
There is no evidence that the uncertainty principle can be measured or evaluated in any meaningful way without observation. Things can exist without observation, well postulated",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441158970
50871215,50885319,2015-09-02 01:56:43,">>50885067
>>50884866
The 1 caveat to that is a very controlled society with a fairly benevolent philosopher king/dictator, of course he then is doomed to misery still. 
And I'd rather see the world and everything on it burn in pain than shoulder happiness upon one man's suffering.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441159003
50871215,50885342,2015-09-02 01:57:47,">>50885265
>I actually talked to some guy in Africa who's village went from tribal superstition to Protestantism and he described how everything felt spiritually dead and that life had lost it's meaning.
Sounds like how northern European reformation. Everything theological went spartan.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1441159067
50871215,50885357,2015-09-02 01:58:07,">>50885204
I wouldn't say that. To say that things happen by ""accident"" implies that there is intention. But nature isn't a sentient being it therefore cannot create accidentals to its plan. 
However overall, I don't know. But I do know that if any, religions that are bland in its theology and worship should not be the true religion that exists, particularly given its unnatural tendencies.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441159087
50871215,50885399,2015-09-02 01:59:42,">>50885305
From the fossil record we can see that life evolved from bacteria that formed from chemicals. Consciousness exists now, but not then. But chemicals and shit still existed then. Therefore things existed without consciousness. Therefore consciousness is not needed for things to exist. 
As I said before, the uncertainty principle is our way of describing a phenomenon that has been happening all throughout the cosmos since its inception, our consciousness is not needed for it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441159182
50871215,50885402,2015-09-02 01:59:44,">>50885067
Hate all you want, but if you ever get to be alone with one of the people you hate and able to inflict harm on this person, you wouldn't do it. 
Or if you would, you'd suffer massive guilt. Unless you got a diagnosis saying you can't feel compassion. There is always that.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1441159184
50871215,50885416,2015-09-02 02:00:15,">>50884672
>You do realize I consider your world view to be simplistic.
>You could have been reading philosophy
I've actually read a lot of philosophy, just not Nietzsche. Most of my philosophy has been completely unrelated to religion.
I've read people like Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes, Bakunin(I've read others as well). I've mostly been obsessed about ""government"". I've only recently taken an interest in religion. And that interest in religion was for somewhat selfish reasons. I was trying to understand the relationship between religion and government. The relationship between patriarchy and religion. And the relationship between the decline of religion, and the rise ""liberalism"" and degeneracy.
I would have considered myself an ""agnostic deist"" until last year honestly. Agnostic is the default position, and I've never believed in the ""miracles"" and other ""mystical/magical"" aspects of Christianity(and still don't). But, after trying to understand the role of religion in society, I decided to really think about what I actually believe.
I've always believed that there is something ""after this life"", and honestly, my views are more similar to Christianity than to any other religion. I really like that, at its heart, Christianity basically means anarchy. Jesus was for lack of a better definition, an ""anarcho-socialist"". He was an anti-government, anti-establishment, and even anti-tradition hippie.
I really admire the Amish, and I admire ""the simple life"" in general. And in all honesty, I have a difficult time not admiring the morality of Jesus(I'm a very modest, and fairly socially conservative person). I can't say that I believe in the ""divinity"" of Jesus(from what I understand, he never claimed to be divine). At best, I would be a Unitarian. But I don't like the Unitarians, because they are a bunch of pansies when it comes to social issues.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441159215
50871215,50885436,2015-09-02 02:01:17,">>50879877
I will never understand this POV. You claim that it baffles you, that the universe and life itself came about randomly, from an unknown series of events. But what about God (strictly speaking, in this case, about the Christian Gos)? How is He any more, and how does His existence make anything make more sense? If anything, His existence complicates matters, as it raises a score of questions - Where did He come from? What created Him? Why would He want to create the universe, and everything in it?
You're claiming that a lack of God is nonsensical. But how can you, in all honesty, make a claim like that?
Another question that oftentimes goes unanswered is- what about my gods? I believe in a religion that has hundreds, if not thousands of omnipotent, omniscient beings. What about the Three Great Ones? Allah? Why does your Christian God make any more sense than the thousands of other ones? Why are Krishnu, Vishnu, Rama, Saraswati and so on less relevant than your God?",,A huge faggot,,,ID,,1441159277
50871215,50885470,2015-09-02 02:02:28,">>50885357
Ever heard of the double bluff? Not that God is bluffing, but surely complexity should not be the criterion in judging the truth of a worldview. Although Christianity, and JW Christianity in particular, is completely simple yet as complex as you want to make it. Blandness is pretty subjective too. It depends how you respond but also how it is presented to you. The fact is, most Christian speakers are bland as dust. But the core teachings are exciting, life affirming, and energizing, certainly from my POV.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441159348
50871215,50885484,2015-09-02 02:03:22,">>50885265
There are technically. 
Accepting stuff such as how there's an external reality or the uniformity of nature requires some form of faith. Of course there are reasons for it and justifiably so. 
>Morality, spiritualism, and the like will increasingly have to come from sources other than religion.
Except that these two things had their origins in religion and philosophy(which is closely tied to the former). 
Whatever future systems we may develop, the ghosts of old will still haunt them. Such is the case for spirituality and morality.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441159402
50871215,50885496,2015-09-02 02:03:38,">>50885124
People are going to do what they want to do. There are plenty of Christian niggers that steal, rape, and cheat on their husband but than just say ""God will forgive me"". 
Christianity morality, punishes, and everything else is not decided by God it's decided by the believer and the believer can change things at will. You can scream about scripture all you want but at the end of the day the Christian will probably not even read the bible or if he does he will interpret things the way HE wants. Blame Martin Luther.
As for atheists and morality. The most morally upright person I know is an atheist. He had many many chances to steal at his job but never did because he thought 'stealing is for assholes'. That's really all it takes, inventing your own rules. What's more he never once learned about Christianity until he was 14. He knew the name Jesus but he didn't know what Jesus taught. The closest he came to learning about religion was playing fantasy RPGs. 
Now here's my question for you. Why do you think humans are so depraved that they cannot learn to make a functioning society by themself? Why do you think humans are so 'evil' that they will destroy them-self without sky-daddy?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441159418
50871215,50885549,2015-09-02 02:05:23,">>50885399
I didn't say that things didn't necessarily exist without observation, although this is only known through observation. Without observation, things are in very great degree meaningless. And of course if we accept God we accept that all things are in some form of observation constantly. The uncertainty principle implies that
1. The principle of consciousness is hardwired into reality and 
2. That observation is a constant and has been from the beginning",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441159523
50871215,50885697,2015-09-02 02:10:42,">>50885436
The purpose of investigation is not to eliminate questions, but to lead to the next set of correct questions. The universe is a puzzle that humans will be pondering for a length of time that resembles infinity. 
Now, why did peoples with their own native Gods, start worshipping the God of the Jews? Christianity reached India in the 1st century. The Greeks abandoned Zeus and the Germans abandoned Odin, and embraced Christianity and forms thereof. Christianity was also a most persecuted religion, and it didn't win converts (especially in its early stages) at the point of the sword. The ancient Greeks were the most sophisticated people of antiquity, and they abandoned the anthropomorphic, Homeric Zeus even before Christianity, at least in large measure. Christianity was the final nail in the coffin of Greco-Roman Paganism",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441159842
50871215,50885708,2015-09-02 02:11:12,">>50885470
Correct, complexity isn't the criterion but for me it's whether or not it is natural. 
So far Christianity in its Catholic and Protestant forms do not meet this requirement. Rituals pale in comparison to their Orthodox, Islamic, Jewish and Eastern counterparts. It is also a point to note how rituals in Protestantism are frowned upon. In all other religions, there are importance to the ritual actions! This is also one of the key things about Confucianist thought! Its theology fails miserably given how disenchanted the world is. You get rich cosmologies in Buddhism and Hinduism. Even Islam got some of these stuff too! Orthodoxy plays it safe by embracing Panentheism and even boldly proclaims how Creation is dynamic, alive and free! 
In Protestantism, the universe is nothing more than a non sentient machine that God wind up and let go. In Calvinism, this extends to all creatures! 
So even if I concede that something supernatural exists, I won't be joining the JWs, I would go to my nearest Buddhist temple straight away or an Orthodox Church!",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441159872
50871215,50885738,2015-09-02 02:12:23,">>50885549
>Without observation, things are in very great degree meaningless.
So? Things don't have to have meaning to exist. 
>>50885549
>The uncertainty principle implies that
>1. The principle of consciousness is hardwired into reality
Nope. You've confounded consciousness with observation, observation that can be done by mindless machines or stars. 
>>50885549
>That observation is a constant and has been from the beginning
Great. Photons have been slamming against each other and collapsing into particles for a long time. Who cares?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441159943
50871215,50885778,2015-09-02 02:13:33,">>50885305
no actual things can not exist with out an observer, this can not proven other wise
It is not the same as the tree falling in the woods parable, to which the answer is no it does not make a sound as that requires an ear drum though it does make vibrations in the air, it is much different
I think the lack of insight in your thinking is that the past is real and the future is certain
There is only the now the past emanates from the now like a ship leaving a wake the now shapes the past
the double slit experiment shows what we perceive as results in the present being altered by observation, though in reality it is just changing the now",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160013
50871215,50885798,2015-09-02 02:14:28,">>50871324
what is moral anyway?
Is being forced to do good deeds fearing the consequences of being a bad person a good moral?
or doing good deeds because it's a good deeds make you a moral person?",,Anonymous,,,SG,,1441160068
50871215,50885811,2015-09-02 02:14:57,">>50885436
>His existence make anything make more sense?
His existence does not ""make more sense"". It makes ""equal sense"". And the truth is, neither of them make absolutely any sense. So it is pointless to even compare the two.
I don't particularly focus on ""What are the odds a god came into being, who then created everything, vs what the odds everything just came into being on its own.""
Rather, I say, ""What are the odds that all of this was random and meaningless?""
I think the real enigma for me, is ""consciousness"". It throws me off so much, I can never even put my conception of consciousness into words.
Before you respond something about consciousness is just chemical reactions in your brain. I agree. But, first we must turn to something called ""Scientific determinism"".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
Basically it says, since all atoms have to follow physical laws, then the movement of atoms is effectively predetermined from the beginning of the time. Thus, free will is something of an illusion, because the decisions you think you are making, are just chemical reactions in your brain, and those chemical reactions are based on the atoms making up the chemical molecules, who all behave in predictable ways. Thus, in a sense, what you think is your life, is more like watching a very realistic movie.
But, what would be the purpose of being conscious of all of this, if you didn't really have free will at all?
For that matter, if the behavior of everyone is effectively atomically automatic, do other people even exist? Or is every other person in the universe just an illusion? Or merely a sort of prolonged chemical reaction?
You know, the Descartes ""Cogito Ergo Sum"", I think therefore I am. I could be the only person who actually exists, and all of you could simply be a figment of my imagination.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160097
50871215,50885921,2015-09-02 02:18:56,">>50885708
I'll give you some examples of rituals I admire. The sight and sound of a choir singing Bach, or an Orthodox service with an Akathist fullthroatedly sung, is undeniably beautiful. Something is lost in 'spartan church services'. But the truth is the main thing. What appeals to heart and mind. But if I was responsible for all the features of religious services, I would have to incorporate something that related to all the senses as well as presenting information. I don't think that the ideal is the 'Sunday School format' necessarily.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441160336
50871215,50885931,2015-09-02 02:19:16,">>50885265
If what you have spiritually dies, you never had it. 
It's not quite like this example but it has some parallels
The Tao that can be spoken is not the Eternal Tao
By which I mean that man bull shit feelings not the real thing , he's like a Japanese Buddhist monk who became one because his father owned a temple he sings the words and knows not the meaning.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160356
50871215,50885988,2015-09-02 02:21:42,">>50885484
>Except that these two things had their origins in religion and philosophy
Nah, origins in biology.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160502
50871215,50886002,2015-09-02 02:22:07,">>50885402
I can feel it I can also shut it off at my choosing, empathy is tool of evolution I pick tools I uses as I see fit. Anyone can learn it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160527
50871215,50886027,2015-09-02 02:23:07,">>50885811
>Thus, free will is something of an illusion, because the decisions you think you are making, are just chemical reactions in your brain, and those chemical reactions are based on the atoms making up the chemical molecules, who all behave in predictable ways
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160587
50871215,50886028,2015-09-02 02:23:09,"i'm an athiest but i also believe in magic
suck my dick",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160589
50871215,50886067,2015-09-02 02:24:24,">>50885436
>Why does your Christian God make any more sense than the thousands of other ones?
Well, the sort of ""beauty"" of the Christian god, as compared to gods like Zeus, is that he was never claimed to be part of the ""realm of the living"". Basically, if you say something lives on the top of a mountain, and you go to the top of the mountain and he isn't there, it certainly undermines your credibility.
Regardless, I would actually agree with you, there is no more evidence for the existence of the Christian god, than for any other god. But as I've said repeatedly, what is the point of having hard evidence for any particular god? If you knew for sure that god existed, and he wanted you to do these particular things, it would take most of the mystery out of life. It would nearly completely remove ""free will"". What then would even be the point of life?
I'm not saying you should be a Christian. I just think its unusual for someone to believe in nothing. And while I can certainly understand the criticisms of Christianity(Christians love to criticize each other). But, who doesn't like Jesus? Other than rebellious children who don't like to be told what to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fR1vSxNEQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160664
50871215,50886089,2015-09-02 02:25:25,">>50886027
indeterminism, again related to Heisenberg",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441160725
50871215,50886116,2015-09-02 02:26:36,">>50886089
Not at all, its related to our inability to build a computer to predict the future perfectly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441160796
50871215,50886131,2015-09-02 02:27:03,">>50885496
there will always be people who just won't follow a code, all I'm saying is that christianity provides a better code in the first place
 and at the risk of called out on the ""no true scotsman"" front if a christian doesn't follow the tenants of christ, on what basis are they a Christian at all?
also it's worth noting that more inteligent people are both less likely to commit ""dumb crime"" and less likely to be theist 
so saying ""the average christian is less moral"" may in fact have little to do with them being a christian or not
I think people have made a functioning society, we take for granted the difficulty in establishing order and a rule of law, let alone prosperity and tolerance
it's also worth noting that all modern athiesm exists as the child of theist society, and that all primative cultures that prospered in the long term were theist
the only culture that did OK and was athiest were the mongols, and I wouldn't exactly call them moral",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441160823
50871215,50886174,2015-09-02 02:28:25,">>50885921
And there you go. In Protestantism it's either a choir singing hymns without any ritual actions or concert worship. 
In Orthodoxy while the Psalters and priest chants, ritual actions are going on. Sometimes the priest goes behind the Iconostasis and conduct this ritual acts, giving the impression of mystery and conveying representations or icons of higher realities, nature, the human being itself and Heaven.
You hardly get this in Protestantism and the Novus Ordo. 
>>50885988
In some sense yes because biological creatures came up with those things to begin with.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441160905
50871215,50886217,2015-09-02 02:30:08,">>50885811
On mobile so quoting is a pain. I'll refer to the last few parapgraphs in your response.
Even if everything is preprogrammed, per se, I perceive my reality as being, well, real. Life, I believe, comes with the sort of assumption that it is, indeed, quite real and no amount of questioning and pondering can change that very reap fact. What we choose to do with the realities we live in is up to us. Whether or not, factually, from the POV of the universe, other people didn't exist is irrelevant, ultimately. In my perception, I am real, you are real, and every other person I've ever come into contact with is real.
Sorry if it's all a bit hard to understand, I've got a wicked flu so I can't really form a semi-coherent sentence",,A huge faggot,,,ID,,1441161008
50871215,50886265,2015-09-02 02:32:04,">>50886174
>In some sense yes because biological creatures came up with those things to begin with
They also have an evolutionary advantage and are hardwired into. Things like empathy (leading to morals) and spirituality (leading to religion) have a very real part in our brain, as encoded in our DNA",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441161124
50871215,50886275,2015-09-02 02:32:37,">>50875544
Morals = Habits. 
They should be judged by their fruits.
Read Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle on Gutenberg
So an Atheist will have habits like anyone else, and they must judge whether their habits are working for them in the way they want.
Do what thou wilt, the only moral law I live by, tends to have me acting in astoundingly conventional ways I find.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441161157
50871215,50886296,2015-09-02 02:33:43,">>50886174
I understand where you are coming from. In the ancient Jewish temple there were a lot of rituals all with layers of meaning, especially from a Christian POV. The main ritual that I observe is the 'Lord's Evening Meal'- this is incredibly meaningful, although a simple celebration.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441161223
50871215,50886339,2015-09-02 02:35:41,">>50886116
This. Powerful computer + a lot of ""random"", accurate data = future prediction.",,Anonymous,,,TH,,1441161341
50871215,50886352,2015-09-02 02:36:04,"faggots
>>>/b/638614996",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441161364
50871215,50886357,2015-09-02 02:36:17,">>50872192
How do you know they are christian, not muslim? Or did I forget atheists only criticise christianity.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1441161377
50871215,50886374,2015-09-02 02:37:14,">>50886217
>Sorry if it's all a bit hard to understand
Naa, you make perfect sense, and I've heard the argument countless times.
First this quote...
""The truth was, that life was meaningless. Every day of life, every step in it, brought me, as it were, nearer the precipice, and I saw clearly that before me there was nothing but ruin. And to stop was impossible; to go back was impossible; and it was impossible to shut my eyes so as not to see that there was nothing before me but suffering and actual death, absolute annihilation...""
""I could not attribute a reasonable motive to any single act in my whole life. I was only astonished that I could not have realized this at the very beginning. All this had so long been known to me! Illness and death would come (indeed, they had come), if not to-day, then to-morrow, to those whom I loved, to myself, and nothing remains but stench and worms. All my acts, whatever I did, would sooner or later be forgotten, and I myself be nowhere. Why, then, busy one's self with anything? How could men fail to see this, and live?...It is possible to live only as long as life intoxicates us; as soon as we are sober again we see that it is all a delusion, and a stupid delusion! In this, indeed, there is nothing either ludicrous or amusing; it is only cruel and stupid!"" - Leo Tolstoy
What is love? Is love real? Or is it just a chemical reaction in my brain? Is it better to live your life believing that love is real? Or is it better to believe that love is just the result of Oxytocin and other chemicals?
Reminds me of the movie ""The Matrix"". Where the guy is talking about ""being reinserted"" back into the Matrix. And he says...
""You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441161434
50871215,50886502,2015-09-02 02:42:39,">>50886265
This is due to the conditioning done for such to become hardwired into our system into the first place. The environment of our ancestors were cruel and hostile.
Such mechanisms are there to aid us in coping with a cruel world, maintain order and ensure survival.
>>50886296
Yes this is right. But the Reformation took it all away which is sad.",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441161759
50871215,50886523,2015-09-02 02:44:13,">>50886131
>and at the risk of called out on the ""no true scotsman"" front if a christian doesn't follow the tenants of christ, on what basis are they a Christian at all?
Well according to your own teachings no Christian will live up to the standards of Jesus. Your arguement basically says no Christians exist.
As for the society. Society was started by the Greeks, it was continued by the Romans, and Christians actually took us backwards until we got to the Renaissance when power shifted away from the church and towards the capitalists. 
On Christian communtities. Everyone has their own morality and their own view of different moralities. I find Christian morality to be sickening it's weak, pathetic, and faggy. 
>>50885416
I can explain the relationship between the decline of Christianity and the rise of liberalism easily. Christianity is the root of liberalism and Marxism. It's philosophically aligned with them. Christianity failed to bring the promosed utopia and God died (these events are not related). Than the promised Utopia was offered in a package of Marxism. Heaven on earth through equality. The new more radical Christianity 2.0 could not stand the older less radical Christianity 1.0.
Your analysis that Jesus was anarchist is pretty amazing actually. 
Ideologically you and I will not get along. I see things like Amish as backwards and anarchy as bad. They do not move society forward. What I want is more, bigger, more complex technology.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441161853
50871215,50886625,2015-09-02 02:48:28,">>50886374
>cont.
My point is, atheism, and even science, fundamentally changes how you view the world. And in a rather sad way. It tends to turn off your ability to really appreciate the world, and the people around you.
From a scientific perspective, I am no longer able to appreciate movies about ""magic"". Because my scientific mind just keeps shutting it down, saying ""that is impossible"", or ""that is silly"", or even ""that is unrealistic""(not that it was ever intended to be realistic?).
It feels like, movies these days are more and more based on ""reality"". It seems like most people don't have the same appreciation for fantasy that they had in the past. It seems that science, and atheism, destroys your imagination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndkC-vGLBw",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441162108
50871215,50886648,2015-09-02 02:49:26,">>50886523
>this whole post
fuckingstupidasfuck.jpg",,Anonymous,,,MY,,1441162166
50871215,50886706,2015-09-02 02:52:01,">>50886648
It's not! 
Are you the Malaysian autist Drawfag?",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441162321
50871215,50886908,2015-09-02 03:00:06,">>50872330
Fedoraism has the highest rates of suicide anyways
>Subjects with no religious affiliation were more often lifetime suicide attempters, reported more suicidal ideation, and were more likely to have first-degree relatives who had committed suicide than religiously affiliated subjects.
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303
Atheists unironically on suicide watch.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441162806
50871215,50887588,2015-09-02 06:49:26,">>50871215
anons harping on atheist contrarianism are just as bad as religious freaks
""religion of peace"" fags do horrible atrocities to both religious and irreligious people; catholic fags can do whatever in this life, since all is forgiven when they die, just to name a few
religion had its rightful place in the past times, now it's more a matter of lifestyle and tradition. Previously it gave people hope and direction, just as Communist Manifesto has done during the industrial age (see Richard Rorty's essay on topic)
how you behave, what you consider good, just and beautiful are categories that are philosohical in nature and thus private, not something to be boasted about or forced upon your fellow man",,Anonymous,,,SI,,1441176566
50871215,50887874,2015-09-02 07:07:06,">>50886374
That restaurant scene was my favourite in the first film. I loved how when Cypher told that he wanted to be someone important and not remember anything Smith answered: ""Whatever you say, Mr. Reagan."" The sequels, while not so good as the first one certainly had their moments. In Reloaded Merovingian's speech about determinism was great.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1441177626
50871215,50887986,2015-09-02 07:14:57,christians have a much better track record of tolerance than atheists do.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1441178097
50871215,50888170,2015-09-02 07:26:58,">>50887986
How many years did Christianity keep other religions illegal and punishable? The majority of the religion's life. Christianity started becoming 'tolerant' when it lost political power. You know with the french Revolution when people starting getting rights. Do you know why the Pope was so tolerant during the french revolution? Because he was in jail! inb4 only Protestantism is true Christianity.
>>50887588
Pretty much this. Any use religion had in the past cannot be applied in the present. Christians still refuse to believe morality is my by man for his own benefits and not by some alien entity. If they accept that man makes his morality than can't be 'holy than thou'.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441178818
50871215,50888187,2015-09-02 07:28:13,">>50887986
wtf does this even mean",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1441178893
50871215,50888323,2015-09-02 07:35:26,">>50887986
>muh 600 gorillion
oldest argument in da torah",,NO WALL TILL BANKRUPT FATTY PAYS ALL,,,US,,1441179326
50871215,50888679,2015-09-02 07:59:53,">>50885798
That's the points. There is no objective morality without God. The best atheism offers is a kind of moral relativism, which just excuses psychopaths and rapists because, ""lol it's in their genetics, they didn't know any better, it's all relative! xDDDDDDDD""",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1441180793
50871215,50888706,2015-09-02 08:01:56,">>50886357
I hate islam more than christianity and am an atheist.
Go be anti-intellectual somewhere else.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441180916
50871215,50888709,2015-09-02 08:02:04,">>50888679
>a complete bastardisation of moral relativism
what else would you expect from a christfag",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1441180924
50871215,50888761,2015-09-02 08:05:25,">>50888679
>which just excuses psychopaths and rapists because
That's just wrong, stop straw-manning other positions.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441181125
50871215,50888781,2015-09-02 08:07:04,">>50888679
Let me ask you a simple question,
If God asks you to kill your mother now would you do it?",,Sakurahime of Mochi,,,MY,,1441181224
50871215,50888787,2015-09-02 08:07:24,"Only babbies believe in fairytales kek. Real men believe that a long long time ago, in a point far away, nothing exploded into everything; and then after millions of years simple cell life started and for millions of years it lost information to mutations and that's how we have complex life now. 
Anybody who believes any otherwise should be Top LELed at.",,Euphoric Freethinker,,,US,,1441181244
50871215,50888817,2015-09-02 08:09:47,">>50888679
That's basically what Protestant theology was for most of it's life. Luther and Calvin denied free will. If you were a serial killer than you were born that way but it wasn't genetics. It was God who made you a serial killer.
The argument was that if you could will yourself to do something God didn't want than you were stronger than God. Therefor there is no free will. You don't have choices God controls everything.
As for whether morality is subjective or objective. Where does God get his morality from? If he gets it from himself he is no different than me. If he gets it from something other than himself how is his morality objective?",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1441181387
50871215,50889092,2015-09-02 08:25:35,">>50888787
>nothing exploded
There was an explosion, most likely from a singularity but we don't know.
>millions of years
More like billions you idiot.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1441182335
50871215,50891254,2015-09-02 10:33:32,">hurrdurr the redpill
>Now please believe in the magical jew that created the word
>Why is it true? Because the jews wrote a book that says so! Why would a jew lie?
>Gas the jews! They bring degeneracy! But Christianity is not degeneracy!",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1441190012
50871215,50891514,2015-09-02 10:48:37,">>50889092
There was no explosion, it was an expansion of space itself (space was still infinite, but everything was closer together). 
> The Big Bang is not an explosion of matter moving outward to fill an empty universe. Instead, space itself expands with time everywhere and increases the physical distance between two comoving points. In other words, the Big Bang is not an explosion in space, but rather an expansion of space.[4] Because the FLRW metric assumes a uniform distribution of mass and energy, it applies to our universe only on large scales—local concentrations of matter such as our galaxy are gravitationally bound and as such do not experience the large-scale expansion of space.[37]
Src: wiki
And there likely was no singularity according to the most widely accepted model of quantum gravity. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441190917
50871215,50892060,2015-09-02 11:33:26,">>50891514
>>50889092
The next step https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaotic_inflation",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441193606
50871215,50893641,2015-09-02 13:29:15,">>50892060
Interesting stuff!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1441200555
52182172,52182172,2015-09-21 02:19:19,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Can you be both agnostic and atheist?
Yes. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way.
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. For more information, check these out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,neatche.jpg,tqv6MGXsS9ef6I+0ni6/7Q==,US,,1442801959
52182172,52182314,2015-09-21 02:23:21,">>52182172
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>The Religious Landscape
http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2
>Secular Spirituality
http://pastebin.com/J4nwc5Yp
>How Did We Get Here?
http://pastebin.com/H49qPTdx
>Responses to Common Arguments
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
http://pastebin.com/Q8wbhXpZ
http://pastebin.com/BfJrGE3x
>Fedora-chan and Other Atheism-Related Images
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Dick Dorkins,better_news.jpg,49SnAvdl4aswLZ1oSQ2tAg==,US,,1442802201
52182172,52182585,2015-09-21 02:30:36,What is there to talk about?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1442802636
52182172,52182678,2015-09-21 02:32:56,">>52182585
Guess you could talk about existentialism.
Dunno",,Anonymous,,,US,,1442802776
52182172,52182693,2015-09-21 02:33:24,">>52182585
What do you believe?",,Dick Dorkins,fedora_wife.jpg,3f7Ne5sO3kX//EoIhctmRw==,US,,1442802804
52182172,52182708,2015-09-21 02:33:56,">>52182585
reddits gone reddit
these plebs are as bad as JWs
this is not the place for a convertathon",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1442802836
52182172,52183132,2015-09-21 02:44:51,">Opinion Time
Which is the worst religion?
Which is the best?",,Dick Dorkins,1433805784741.png,Gqrt12j0osMwud4ZfcbB1Q==,US,,1442803491
52182172,52184062,2015-09-21 03:13:47,">>52183132
Catholicism. 
Because it's true. Prove me wrong. Pro tip you can't",,Anonymous,Now+that+s+heresy+_15d7d1c2e6b51e230c244f54e423b763.jpg,H+DID68psmf4xp1gBCOG6A==,US,,1442805227
52606214,52606214,2015-09-27 20:03:39,I wonder what she felt when she was hit by the realization that all her hours of devotion to an imaginary friend didn't save her from being mugged by niggers in the holiest of places.,Atheism General,Anonymous,BTFO_in_church.webm,wSpoZgeRy327PWHUhY7/QA==,US,,1443384219
52606214,52607646,2015-09-27 20:26:25,bump,,Anonymous,,,US,,1443385585
52606214,52607750,2015-09-27 20:28:14,Maybe God wanted her to get punched in the head?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1443385694
52869748,52869748,2015-10-01 19:51:03,"Wherein we never have to have anxiety ending up as pic related, even if we are executed at a center for higher learning, for example.",atheism general,Anonymous,image.jpg,PMG9Bh819+WxWoGDSSeySw==,US,,1443729063
52869748,52869962,2015-10-01 19:53:31,"GODLESS HERETICS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443729211
52869748,52870403,2015-10-01 19:58:35,">>52869962
Darwin did nothing wrong",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443729515
52869748,52870661,2015-10-01 20:01:35,">>52870403
Eggman did nothing wrong",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1443729695
52869748,52870788,2015-10-01 20:03:18,">>52869748
Yeah, yeah go shoot another Christian in the head why don't ya?",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1443729798
52869748,52871347,2015-10-01 20:10:31,">>52870788
Ireland always gets sassy when she hasn't had her fermented potato.
This is a thread to discuss atheism and issues facing atheists. Please try to keep the conversation limited to that!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443730231
52869748,52871658,2015-10-01 20:14:33,">>52871347
Oh my spuds have fermented fine you mark my words",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1443730473
52869748,52871732,2015-10-01 20:15:42,">>52871658
Tiocfaidh ar La!",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1443730542
52869748,52872038,2015-10-01 20:20:31,">>52871732
One day...",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1443730831
52869748,52872106,2015-10-01 20:21:19,">>52871347
see >>52870788
Just go away alrdy, nobody likes you.",,Anonymous,,,BE,,1443730879
52869748,52872388,2015-10-01 20:24:51,">>52872106
I'll gladly leave your dead thread.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1443731091
52869748,52872667,2015-10-01 20:27:57,">>52872106
Why so rustled, Brussels? Y'all have the cutest dogs btw tbh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443731277
52869748,52872754,2015-10-01 20:29:03,Can't wait for pretend christards to show up and spam ebin memes,,Anonymous,,,US,,1443731343
52869748,52873286,2015-10-01 20:36:38,">>52872754
fellow athiest here.
feels bad man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443731798
52869748,52873402,2015-10-01 20:38:08,">>52872754
>>52873286
Just say bump
We all know what you're doing anyway",,Anonymous,1433862346164.png,JYw9Yx5Cthk5awwfRkLyCQ==,SE,,1443731888
52869748,52873737,2015-10-01 20:42:54,">>52873402
In ready, swedebro",,Anonymous,image.png,K6DkiimE4bsDlCqgtcviyA==,US,,1443732174
52869748,52874893,2015-10-01 20:57:59,>tfw you were in open rebellion against the Lord in your teenage years but Christ accepted you back,,Anonymous,,,US,,1443733079
52869748,52875617,2015-10-01 21:07:04,">>52869748
How do you avoid Nihilism?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1443733624
52869748,52875737,2015-10-01 21:08:31,">>52874893
Jesus understands",,Anonymous,1437453984735.jpg,EyGcHkGYZWKPzN5CmN8vUA==,SE,,1443733711
52869748,52875870,2015-10-01 21:10:10,">>52875617
Why would the existence of a God cure nihilism? Even if he exists and he has some sort of after life for you, than you still need to be the one to decide that God, his after life, and his values have any meaning. You could be a nihilist even in paradise, you could look around and say all of it is no good and there must be a deeper meaning than just being with God and God himself would be unable to provide you with that meaning. Only you could do that.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1443733810
52869748,52876000,2015-10-01 21:11:34,">>52875870
So you don't.
Good to know.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1443733894
52869748,52876271,2015-10-01 21:14:51,">>52875870
Yeah, the actual, historical nihilists were rejecting conceptual baggage in favor of concrete charitible action, and would be looked upon by God with favor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443734091
52869748,52876328,2015-10-01 21:15:37,"I have long felt the Papacy is gearing up for an American holocaust. Somehow they will blame it on atheists like Pike said they would, whilst annihilating Christians and atheists.
Other than that I don't fear much, except massive economic collapse, because wtf can you do without money?
Also, potato.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1443734137
52869748,52876599,2015-10-01 21:19:29,">>52876000
I don't know what other people do, I think interaction is almost synonymous with 'meaning', if you can change something than it has meaning. 
Your turn. What's so meaningful about God and his heaven? There are no obstacles in heaven, no opposition, so you can't have any goals. You wouldn't want to change anything in paradise, so you would have nothing to strive for. The whole way of thinking God has provided you is life denying. Everything physical or 'material' is bad or inferior. God is the only meaning ful thing you say? Well God exists outside the universe, therefor the universe cannot have meaning to you.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1443734369
52869748,52876903,2015-10-01 21:23:06,">>52876599
I mean more along the lines of what do you base morals and ethics on?
What makes something bad and another thing good?
I utterly despise moral relativism",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1443734586
52869748,52876995,2015-10-01 21:24:21,">rocks evolve to living things
>""higher learning""",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1443734661
52869748,52877039,2015-10-01 21:24:55,">>52871347
fermented potato are for russian
ireland have no potato
come to glorious motherland, much potato
kgb is no more, come to russia",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443734695
52869748,52877127,2015-10-01 21:26:13,Atheists need to stop going on mass shootings cause someone made fun of their fedora.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1443734773
52869748,52878263,2015-10-01 21:41:39,">>52876995
buttblasted young earth creationist detected",,Anonymous,,,US,,1443735699
52869748,52880612,2015-10-01 22:16:53,">>52877127
>>52876903
Well we live in a relative universe. Someone can come up with their own moral system that says they can break into my house, kill me and rob me. I can come up with my own moral system which allows me to kill them.
Each of us would believe we are 'right' and there would be no real way we could sit down and debate whether or not he can kill me. 
But this also means that the physical world, and it's consequences trump morality. In other words morality is only a tool. You can have any moral system you want but all that really matters are the consiquences, I don't believe intention matters.
The very simple way I think of morality is that those that are genetically or idealogically similar to myself are more valuable. Those that help my genetics and ideaology are the good guys, the ones that harm them are the bad guys. So my family, my race, my countrymen are all covered by them being genetically similar to me. Those that are not related to me but still value say: truth, individualism, gun rights, whatever. Are covered by them being ideologically similar. If someone is genetically similar to me but ideologically against it doesn't mean I like them. A black 'red-pilled' person is better than a white Marxist. 
So something like stealing would be bad because it would the country where people who are genetically an ideologically similar to me live.",,OuterLimits,,,US,,1443737813
53956219,53956219,2015-10-18 19:04:00,Today's topic: Why do people believe in a higher power? Do they really believe what they are told or do they fear what will happen to them in the afterlife? Is it our job to tell them that they may be wrong and that there is no higher power or should we let them be?,ATHEISM GENERAL,Anonymous,cring worthy pic.jpg,npKRT344ez+5asTQbVFRkQ==,US,,1445195040
53956219,53956368,2015-10-18 19:06:57,"atheism, more like gaytheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1445195217
53956219,53956458,2015-10-18 19:08:19,">>53956368
Sticks and stones my friend.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1445195299
53956219,53956835,2015-10-18 19:15:01,"You are sad op.
It's like making fun of people who DON'T think the earth is flat.",,Anonymous,Snapchat--6584929227064483928.jpg,RjYsyydSh3FInDnIG7jeZQ==,US,,1445195701
53976734,53976734,2015-10-19 02:03:13,"This thread is for the enlightened atheist members of pol to discuss politics. Children who believe in fairly tales in their own threads. 
I voted NDP in Canada's recent election because of their platform of affordable childcare. I don't currently have children, but when I do have kids, I don't want to pay insane amounts of money just to have someone look after them. Both parents have to work now. 
As for atheism, it's simply the only logical reaction to the deluge of bullshit coming from bronze age myths made by desert dwelling tent pitchers. Only atheists should have the vote. The world would be a much better place.",Atheism general,Anonymous,canada-voting-2015.png,zHWis2gD+9YGQTuFUI1Y2g==,CA,,1445220193
53976734,53977697,2015-10-19 02:33:42,">>53976734
if you want a cringe thread /pol/ is not the place
>this is now a cringe thread
/thread",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1445222022
53976734,53977920,2015-10-19 02:39:46,">>53976734
Voting against blue, whoever the poll trackers say is doing better in my riding. I don't even care if it's pro c-51 scum jewdeau",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1445222386
53976734,53978002,2015-10-19 02:42:31,">>53976734
>This thread is for the enlightened atheist members of pol to discuss politics. Children who believe in fairly tales in their own threads.
Adults don't mock. Do you see the irony?
>I voted NDP in Canada's recent election because of their platform of affordable childcare. I don't currently have children, but when I do have kids, I don't want to pay insane amounts of money just to have someone look after them. Both parents have to work now.
They don't.
They choose too, because they value a cell phone, tv, vacations, etc. more than they value their children.
>As for atheism, it's simply the only logical reaction to the deluge of bullshit coming from bronze age myths made by desert dwelling tent pitchers. Only atheists should have the vote. The world would be a much better place.
If you looked at the issue with logic and science, you'd see that God most likely exists.
If you want to stick with your narrow views of the world, fine. Your call. But why insist everyone believe exactly as you do? Insecure, maybe? Looking for validation?
This pic is highly related, relevant, and spot on.",,Anonymous,1426600411736.jpg,ZWUXdUu5jo0aOS08UxYA8Q==,US,,1445222551
53976734,53978231,2015-10-19 02:49:45,">>53978002
>If you looked at the issue with logic and science, you'd see
By that logic, it is possible for all gods and floating teapots to exist.
Looking at the evidence logically,the chance of a god actually existing is so close to 0, it is not reasonable to entertain",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1445222985
53976734,53978315,2015-10-19 02:51:52,">>53976734
Thanks for posting schlomo. You sure you weren't looking for reddit?",,Anonymous,fingerless-gloves-fedora.png,e0VOM9iY+ipOuBkvJgqTAA==,AU,,1445223112
53976734,53978352,2015-10-19 02:53:12,">>53978231
>What is the teleological argument?
If anything, the theory that everything came from nothing and that it all has no purpose is the most unlikely. Great teapot maymay though.",,Anonymous,1415660075866.jpg,6+Lo0WJW7+TegYLSVEUu+w==,US,,1445223192
53976734,53979014,2015-10-19 03:13:15,">>53978231
So of all that...you chose that one thing to focus on.
Even then, you don't care about the reasoning behind it.
All you care about is defending your position.
Does that make sense to you?",,Anonymous,deaf-tourettes.jpg,lLgkz9SHQyPtwzQW9wAERw==,US,,1445224395
53976734,53979149,2015-10-19 03:17:29,">>53978231
That idea about ""needing"" two paychecks is the most important.
You advocate leaving the children to the State for education, to other people for rearing them.
This is why society is going to hell. It's not a coincidence that cities are dangerous and dirty at the same time we've kicked out so many fathers, and the ones that stayed are not engaged with the children. You know...the position you advocate.",,Anonymous,shutup.png,WAumuBLfmHz4iff0QKdseA==,US,,1445224649
53976734,53979172,2015-10-19 03:18:11,">>53978352
There are people that believe a man can be born from a virgin and come back from the dead, how can anybody take seriously an explanation that relies on believing such IMPOSSIBLE things?
>>53979014
I think science can answer most of the questions, more than what village idiots told us thousands of years ago.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1445224691
53976734,53979198,2015-10-19 03:19:08,"Then, to top it off, and in the best tradition of Autism Canada, you fucking run when you are questioned.
Fuck off, OP. You're drunk or stupid. Same end effect.",,Anonymous,captcanuck.jpg,0YGRN863fahPIbxq+1EImA==,US,,1445224748
53976734,53979200,2015-10-19 03:19:08,">>53979172
>how can anybody take seriously an explanation that relies on believing such IMPOSSIBLE things?
>How does God cheat death?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1445224748
53976734,53979311,2015-10-19 03:22:52,">>53979172
Is it possible that the Bible was written for isolated, illiterate people?
Could it be possible that many of the stories told are life lessons, or object lessons, or just morality tales? Or tales of hope for an oppressed people?
Those people were a lot like medieval Germans. Is Hansel and Gretel true? Probably not. But it's a good story that teaches kids not to run off into the forest because there may be witches (wolves, boars, bears) there.
It's easier to dismiss it all. But is it intellectual, or emotional?",,Anonymous,pussy.jpg,DRfbGFUXaD5y5CVA+FvPcQ==,US,,1445224972
53976734,53979405,2015-10-19 03:25:51,">>53979198
FINALLY A CHANCE TO POST THIS",,Anonymous,capnuck.png,Rwy1AWOQ79gTa+UvXDC1nA==,CA,,1445225151
53976734,53979444,2015-10-19 03:26:49,Why don't we say fuck OP and have a HIMOUTO! thread?!??!,,Can you believe this faggot OuterLimits?,35654757474.jpg,uptYXftzMxgPpfc9CuktHA==,US,,1445225209
53976734,53979455,2015-10-19 03:27:10,">>53979311
This is our inner nature, to be altruistic to other humans.
 As we developed our cognitive powers, as with our other emotions and feelings, we tended to create abstractions. In the case of altruism, we abstracted it into a moral code.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1445225230
53976734,53979625,2015-10-19 03:32:54,">>53979455
Your Philosophy professor would be very proud of you.
But
>our cognitive powers, as with our other emotions and feelings
are two distinct things.",,Anonymous,fruitypebbles.jpg,7abhmCAyGZzIlDs9I1WzwQ==,US,,1445225574
53976734,53979751,2015-10-19 03:37:13,"Should I still date a girl if she farted and I smelled it? I really don't feel like I want to anymore, but on the other hand I know everyone does.
I'm serious. What is the reasonable approach to this?",,Can you believe this faggot OuterLimits?,1443912172277.gif,o1+hBatd3dCYiaSlp0e2Iw==,US,,1445225833
53976734,53979817,2015-10-19 03:39:22,">>53979625
They are evolutionary traits, early humans lived in small familiar communities,Therefore any other human that you encountered was likely to be related to you. So the altruism gene made you altruistic to any humans that you encountered.
Altruism came first, from evolution. Moral codes came later, given that the bible contains no original morals, how is it possible for a Christian to believe they came from the Christian god?",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1445225962
53976734,53979862,2015-10-19 03:40:40,">>53976734
>As for atheism, it's simply the only logical reaction to the deluge of bullshit coming from bronze age myths made by desert dwelling tent pitchers
The development of Christianity in the west was hardly done by dumb and poorly educated people. On the contrary, many of the people who laid the foundations of Christianity were very well educated and literate. Contrary to the assertions of Bolshevik atheists it was hardly ""Christianity"" that brought about a decline in thought in the west for many centuries but, in reality, the fall of the Roman Empire due to Islamic imperialism. Many great manuscripts and knowledge were lost for centuries due to Islamic sacking of major cities. The fracturing of the Roman Empire was a tragedy and Christianity would not have made them any more or less ignorant.
It was Christians who eventually rediscovered the ancient manuscripts and ended up building the modern world - don't ever forget it and don't disrespect your ancestors simply because they didn't have as strong of an understanding of the Universe. Almost certainly you've contributed no leap of knowledge to human civilization so your ignorance now is easily comparable to ignorance in the dark ages: you only know what they are able to spread and what is common knowledge for the era.",,Anonymous,NatlSoc.png,s1Fv/GU7enat5W/B0DOLMw==,US,,1445226040
53976734,53979873,2015-10-19 03:40:51,">>53979751
You still date her. yes, everyone farts, but only teenagers hold it against each other. If you want to have a real life relationship with a real life woman, they fart.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1445226051
53976734,53980522,2015-10-19 04:03:13,">>53979873
That's fucking gross though and I don't get why I should have to put up with it? I'm just being honest about how I feel. She farted and it smelled really bad and I don't see how I can make myself want to stick my dick in her when I'll just think about air coming out of her ass.",,Can you believe this faggot OuterLimits?,,,US,,1445227393
53976734,53980597,2015-10-19 04:05:53,">>53979817
>given that the bible contains no original morals
There are no ""original morals"". The Bible codified morality and gave incentive to follow them. 
There was no stigma attached to killing a stranger. In fact, it was a survival trait.",,Anonymous,trex.jpg,7wBkmM3WBTiBX68yZzc0/w==,US,,1445227553
53976734,53980659,2015-10-19 04:07:55,I'm not kidding it's not like I'm immature or anything but how am I supposed to get around by some bitch ripping ass? Like do they teach men how to not be bothered by women farting in school one day or what,,Can you believe this faggot OuterLimits?,,,US,,1445227675
57658495,57658495,2015-12-06 12:15:50,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Why aren't you agnostic master race?
We are. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheism, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way. Describing yourself as ""Just an agnostic"", or stating ""I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic"" makes about as much as saying ""I'm not Russian, I'm male.""
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. Here is a small list of some of the possible value systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
Further reading can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, is harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.",Atheism General,Anonymous,антирелигия-725429.jpg,AYbwKB0ecBCjJBw3F4B47Q==,CA,,1449404150
57658495,57658643,2015-12-06 12:17:43,">Basics of Atheism
http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist *expanded*
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>Profiles of Various Religions
http://pastebin.com/88TEKVz2
>Nietzche
http://pastebin.com/21PyeJxm
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1449404263
57658495,57659387,2015-12-06 12:28:42,But can you define atheism?,,Anonymous,,,RO,,1449404922
57658495,57659468,2015-12-06 12:30:00,Atheism is the most fun religion. God doesnt real! XD,,Anonymous,,,US,,1449405000
57658495,57659487,2015-12-06 12:30:21,">>57658495
obligatory",,Anonymous,americafedora.png,wMK+7dCrWTHz9xXEgomeAw==,US,,1449405021
57658495,57659517,2015-12-06 12:30:45,threads like this is why people thing atheists are faggots,,Anonymous,,,US,,1449405045
57658495,57659572,2015-12-06 12:31:42,">>57659517
True",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1449405102
57658495,57659643,2015-12-06 12:32:39,">>57658495
Holy shit, that picture just needs Bill Hicks and it is the most fedora-tipping thing ever created",,Anonymous,AAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA.gif,VkljEgnqkGB0By7WWujnVA==,CA,,1449405159
57658495,57659820,2015-12-06 12:35:14,">>57659517
Athiests are alright for the most part. But they're like religious folk; if you gotta tell everyone what you believe in, you're a jabroni shithead",,Anonymous,statist_and_anarchist__invisible_hand_by_blamethe1st-d83z0xk.png,6SiKFJvKcbvwlWVAF0iOWg==,CA,,1449405314
57658495,57659978,2015-12-06 12:37:23,>>57659820,,Anonymous,image.jpg,7bdc0dwd3ZLKQFu25yaO1g==,RO,,1449405443
64555206,64555206,2016-02-18 19:37:59,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Can you be both agnostic and atheist?
Yes. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way.
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. For more information, check these out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
This is answered in the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6WL0aB7s Scroll to the bottom. If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,neatche.jpg,tqv6MGXsS9ef6I+0ni6/7Q==,US,,1455824279
64555206,64555239,2016-02-18 19:38:27,">>64555206
>7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Videos
http://pastebin.com/cE61pqPV
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>The Religious Landscape
http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2
>Secular Spirituality
http://pastebin.com/J4nwc5Yp
>How Did We Get Here?
http://pastebin.com/H49qPTdx
>Responses to Common Arguments
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
http://pastebin.com/Q8wbhXpZ
http://pastebin.com/BfJrGE3x
>Fedora-chan and Other Atheism-Related Images
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/
>Bonus Fun Stuff
http://pastebin.com/7G52BwGq
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,aliens_large_grande.jpg,wnGjlBeC5DcE/U/hLUVWjw==,US,,1455824307
64555206,64555276,2016-02-18 19:38:52,">>64555206
*tips",,Anonymous,,,US,,1455824332
64555206,64555422,2016-02-18 19:40:45,>>64555276,,Anonymous,triggered.jpg,/aTihDj5YIMEmUROF2JgHQ==,US,,1455824445
64555206,64555436,2016-02-18 19:40:53,"I just got pozzed by a trannie, help me, any tips to what to do?",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1455824453
64555206,64555498,2016-02-18 19:41:41,">>64555436
Go to a hospital, stop being degenerate",,Anonymous,,,US,,1455824501
64555206,64555720,2016-02-18 19:44:21,"Atheism/agnostic is Christianity without the belief.
As long as you are a westerner you are Christian as the laws and social bounds of society are based on Christianity, that is all the way back to the German capture of Europe and their conversion to Christianity, establishing western society.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1455824661
64555206,64555794,2016-02-18 19:45:22,">>64555720
That's fine until you think it's real and ruin a perfectly good political party",,Anonymous,barry.jpg,cJmGKTHqiuI4O2AZJXETuw==,US,,1455824722
64555206,64555888,2016-02-18 19:46:20,">>64555436
>barebacking a transexual prostitute
why would God let this happen?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1455824780
64555206,64555927,2016-02-18 19:46:45,">>64555720
Then why do I think it's justified to fuck my sister?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1455824805
64555206,64555956,2016-02-18 19:47:10,">>64555888
God doesnt exist you stupidfuck, I can do whatever I want with my body, iin fact, it was an accident but who cares?",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1455824830
64555206,64556082,2016-02-18 19:48:39,">>64555956
>God (does/does not) exist therefore ______",,Anonymous,low_bait.jpg,pFPNBDlD12mumZKYXoJruw==,US,,1455824919
73511753,73511753,2016-05-09 13:54:57,"Saw that the Christfags were doing this so I couldn't resist the opportunity to upstage them.
Topic for discussion: Do you feel that non-believers are discriminated against in today's society whether it be subtlety or overtly?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/03/religious-freedom-atheism-russia-saudi-arabia-bangladesh-indonesia-robert-george-column/83846874/",Atheism General Thread,Anonymous,image.jpg,tkaujhLGfgJ/KPMKc+s5KA==,US,,1462802097
73511753,73511988,2016-05-09 13:58:10,">>73511753
>Tfw everyone thinks I'm a non racist, liberal fedora tipper because I'm atheist
Feels bad man",,Anonymous,image.png,mlb2mg45lmQGychqspr30g==,US,,1462802290
73511753,73512056,2016-05-09 13:59:07,"check
mate",,Anonymous,1196895528818.jpg,fde3BXT2mfP/LcSy8WBfAQ==,SE,,1462802347
73511753,73512422,2016-05-09 14:03:58,">>73511988
Is atheism really such a big thing in the US? In Britain pretty much everyone is an atheist, such that no one would ever bother identifying as being one. It would be like going around saying I don't ride horses.
UK > US",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1462802638
73511753,73512437,2016-05-09 14:04:09,">>73512056
Maybe God loves freedom and lets people commit evil instead of just forcing them on a ride, even if that ride would be better for everyone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462802649
73511753,73512447,2016-05-09 14:04:14,">>73511753
Your mother is still forcing you to go to the church with her, m8?
It's hard to be 13 years old.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1462802654
73511753,73512627,2016-05-09 14:06:39,">>73511753
Why do atheists always get butthurt about agnostics? Muh you have to pick a side. In science when you don't have sufficient evidence for something you just don't even answer the question.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462802799
73511753,73512773,2016-05-09 14:08:37,">>73512627
Probably because agnosticism and atheism are identical positions. If you don't know then you don't believe. Conversely, no atheism would claim to know that God doesn't exist. Agnostics are just atheists that are ashamed of their view, probably due to indoctrination. They think the word agnostic sounds nicer and will make them more friends. Some even think it will make them look intellectually superior (middle ground fallacy). Pretty pathetic really.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1462802917
73511753,73512861,2016-05-09 14:09:43,">>73512627
Most atheists are brainlets 
They follow popsci
They use logical fallacies 
They don't understand the historical context of religion
They're unsympathetic
And pretty bitter about things
My opinion is null because my belief is I don't know what I can or can't prove lel",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462802983
73511753,73512936,2016-05-09 14:10:29,">>73512422
Yes. Retarded Christians get elected and then try making restrictive laws. It's like the UK ten years from now when the Muslims have taken over.",,Anonymous,laughing-joker.png,nR5Ds03C8NYVo3w3vy/Dmg==,US,,1462803029
73511753,73513134,2016-05-09 14:12:57,">>73512773
my opinion too",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1462803177
73511753,73513149,2016-05-09 14:13:10,">>73512627
Because they're autists that can't handle anything more complicated than A and B.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1462803190
73511753,73513227,2016-05-09 14:14:08,">>73511753
>>>/reddit/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803248
73511753,73513284,2016-05-09 14:14:48,">>73512422
Basically you can't win an election as a right winger (probably same for left) as an atheist. Bible thumpers are way too prevalent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803288
73511753,73513396,2016-05-09 14:16:14,">>73513284
fuck off atheist piece of SHIT",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803374
73511753,73513426,2016-05-09 14:16:43,,,Anonymous,1456344133225.gif,OKbXZffteTGkboAfV6+ReA==,US,,1462803403
73511753,73513471,2016-05-09 14:17:19,,,Anonymous,1456992729362.jpg,DUAGclHt2jwp3yZMmrGjYw==,US,,1462803439
73511753,73513498,2016-05-09 14:17:43,">>73513426
das right",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803463
73511753,73513683,2016-05-09 14:20:17,Atheists are fags.,,Anonymous,Meme-Atheist--res.jpg,hoKcOkoq8WTSmGQunh80fQ==,US,,1462803617
73511753,73513706,2016-05-09 14:20:42,">>73513396
Nice Sjw-tier argument.
Also nice to know that wether or not you believe in a sky fairy can split the already shattered right wing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803642
73511753,73513712,2016-05-09 14:20:49,Nahh atheists are too beta to discriminate against anyone desu lol,,Anonymous,,,NO,,1462803649
73511753,73513876,2016-05-09 14:23:03,>tfw you don't talk about religion or politics in good company,,Anonymous,1402147775482.jpg,vI/mBo05OpJxzISQNHyMWQ==,GB,,1462803783
73511753,73513915,2016-05-09 14:23:37,">>73511753
>can't resist opportunity to upstage them
This is why Atheism is fucking cancer. Nobody is forcing you to read their generals, you edgy faggot.
>>73511988
It's not because of atheism, it's because you're all insufferable cunts about it.
>>73512773
False dichotomy. Cry more faggot, agnosticism is the way.
I would much rather go to a Latin Mass than some fuckin Atheist convention, but then again I'm not fifteen anymore",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1462803817
73511753,73513985,2016-05-09 14:24:28,">>73512056
>then why call him God
Because if you create the universe that is what it makes you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803868
73511753,73514088,2016-05-09 14:25:53,">>73512422
It's still looked down on for some reason despite it being almost as dominant as Christianity.
But leftists are atheists so when you say you are one to a religious person thats what they picture you as
Stigma is pretty strong",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462803953
73511753,73514255,2016-05-09 14:27:48,"I remember when atheism just meant the disbelief in a higher power.
With Arab religions, you lose.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1462804068
73511753,73514261,2016-05-09 14:27:53,"PD: Right. Why can’t we have you say, “Mr. Donahue, I can’t prove there’s a god so I just have to take a pass on that one. No comment. I don’t know”? Why don’t you say I don’t know rather than I’m sure there isn’t?
AR: Because you can’t accept even as a hypothesis something for which there is no evidence. I could be saying…
PD: Well, I think there’s circumstantial evidence.
AR: There isn’t any.
PD: Oh, this is pretty impressive, huh?
AR: It’s magnificent. They’re built[?] by man.
PD: The Universe. You’ve got to be impressed by the Universe when you see order in the Universe. This wasn’t an accident, Miss Rand.
AR: Oh, now you’ve got to give me a few minutes. {Audience applause} What do you think would happen in a disorderly Universe?
PD: In a disorderly Universe?
AR: What’s the concept of order? What does it have to do with things which exist? If they clash with each other, if there were contradictions, they wouldn’t exist. There is no such thing as a disorderly Universe. Our whole concept of order comes from observing reality. And, the reality has to be orderly because it’s the standard of what exists.
PD: Right. So…
AR: So, the contradictions cannot exist.
PD: Okay. So, we have an orderly Universe because it’s impossible to have a disorderly Universe.
AR: That’s right.
PD: I got that. I understood that.
AR: Fine.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462804073
73511753,73514360,2016-05-09 14:29:05,">>73512773
I don't know man, a whole lot of them (especially on this board) seem to ""know"" God doesn't exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462804145
73511753,73514607,2016-05-09 14:31:49,">>73511753
The religion of death
The worship of chaos
The indoctrination that your life has no value and is meaningless 
All it took to convince you that we've actually left this world was a textbook with composite images and illustrated pictures",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462804309
73511753,73514743,2016-05-09 14:33:25,">>73513426
>The Pope
>Tolerant
He just tell us to open our anus for the refugees, no matter how many of them there is. I will choose the edgy Atheist any day.",,Anonymous,chart.png,p7nF9h9rVNUb69+ornBw6Q==,BE,,1462804405
73511753,73516231,2016-05-09 14:53:29,">>73511753
Why are 70% of atheists leftists?",,Anonymous,,,EG,,1462805609
73511753,73516692,2016-05-09 14:59:17,">>73516231
because the only reason to cling to the past is the fear of god",,Anonymous,George Bush The Unauthorized Biography - Tarpley Chaitkin.jpg,bXUsdZkYeS8bgesWfZ52QA==,US,,1462805957
73511753,73517750,2016-05-09 15:13:19,">>73511753
No I don't feel discriminated against. I also don't think we need some fancy logo to distinguish ourselves. Take your atheism+ (tm) bullshit somewhere else reddit.",,Anonymous,dear smug.jpg,4cPqWlSbKobdW8bHiHi/gA==,US,,1462806799
73511753,73518005,2016-05-09 15:16:40,">>73513915
>I would much rather go to a Latin Mass than some fuckin Atheist convention
how is that relevant to agnosticism?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1462807000
73511753,73518811,2016-05-09 15:27:22,">>73513915
>he doesn't know (a)theism and (a)gnosticism are orthogonal concepts",,Anonymous,1457266032770.jpg,pZzTscCLjYBOsHJOJne70Q==,US,,1462807642
73511753,73519496,2016-05-09 15:35:59,">>73516231
>Why are 70% of atheists leftists?
Because the right couldn't drop their cuck cult autism for a minute to pander to those atheists in an appropriate fashion.
When the answer to ""why shouldn't we promote homosexuality?"" is ""becuz da lawd say so in da bibluh because it a sin"", then you'll alienate everyone not believing in god, or your specific god.",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1462808159
73511753,73519525,2016-05-09 15:36:16,">>73512437
Could god have created a universe with free will and without evil?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1462808176
73511753,73519639,2016-05-09 15:37:47,">>73511753
reddit pls go back",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1462808267
73511753,73520965,2016-05-09 15:55:14,>>73514743,,Anonymous,1462818805002.png,SjPpxFC500fe6PFZ2813ug==,SE,,1462809314
73511753,73521296,2016-05-09 15:59:16,">>73519639
Can't wait to see all your beliefs to die with you.",,Anonymous,I am absolute.jpg,b1hAL5yupazZKGPBwMZkIg==,CA,,1462809556
75825119,75825119,2016-06-01 23:56:34,"ITT: Post dumb quotes from the Bible. I'll start
Genesis 1:1 
""In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.""",Atheism General Thread: Dumb Bible Quotes,Anonymous,image.jpg,PpX+z8ALckkq9nCofbxhyQ==,US,,1464825394
75825119,75825185,2016-06-01 23:57:31,"She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. Ezekiel 23:20 NIV",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1464825451
75825119,75825207,2016-06-01 23:57:46,">>75825119
If this image is true then how did the first person come to believe in God? Who told him?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464825466
75825119,75825287,2016-06-01 23:58:44,">>75825207
Who invented Santa or Superman or bilbo Baggins if they were not real?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1464825524
75825119,75825307,2016-06-01 23:59:05,">>75825119
Fedora CU:CK ""Communism didn't kill for atheism, those 200 million people killed by atheism between 1900-2016 by atheists for atheist totally wasn't for atheism, atheism is a religion for cucks, God isn't real cause I got friend zoned again""",,Sage,fedoras btfo.png,i+1Ix49z9qMQAZkuUnMRNg==,US,,1464825545
75825119,75825352,2016-06-01 23:59:35,">>75825207
He deluded himself into believing it",,Anonymous,image.jpg,bp/Lx5zEm8rd5cUr5soI2w==,US,,1464825575
75825119,75825358,2016-06-01 23:59:38,"""He thinks god created everything??? hehehehe what a fucking retard. Its so obvious nothing created the universe.""",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1464825578
75825119,75825359,2016-06-01 23:59:38,">>75825207
The same way all philosophy starts.
>someone thinks it with their noggin'",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464825578
75825119,75825438,2016-06-02 00:00:31,">>75825358
I wish you would put ""nothing"" into my mouth",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464825631
75825119,75825452,2016-06-02 00:00:46,">>75825287
How do you know you're worshipping theright god?",,Anonymous,,,JP,,1464825646
75825119,75825485,2016-06-02 00:01:09,">>75825358
>Mfw Leaf doesn't understand physics",,Anonymous,image.jpg,eYEgTv0UdoN+5lOiYu2UiQ==,US,,1464825669
75825119,75825685,2016-06-02 00:03:45,>>75825119,,Anonymous,born atheist.jpg,Ub0aNDVxTvR+CNyFgBF5JQ==,US,,1464825825
75825119,75825831,2016-06-02 00:05:20,">>75825485
Not saying you're wrong, but do you actually understand the maths and physics behind the big bang?",,Anonymous,,,JP,,1464825920
75825119,75825848,2016-06-02 00:05:30,">>75825452
Why would you worship a god in the first place, if you didn't know for sure he existed?
Why not worship somthing that is definitely real? Why not worship your ancestors or the future? Why not worship a god that is made to help your people instead of control them? Christianity and abrahamic religions make you care too much about ""the next life"" and not enough about the now, and the future of your people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464825930
75825119,75825882,2016-06-02 00:05:51,">>75825452
I researched it. I worship the Bullgod because I am he and he is me. I am God.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1464825951
75825119,75825947,2016-06-02 00:06:42,">>75825119
This is a politics board, fag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826002
75825119,75826016,2016-06-02 00:07:26,">>75825831
...........No...........",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826046
75825119,75826026,2016-06-02 00:07:33,">>75825685
>how could i be born with lack of knowledge
you were born omniscient?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826053
75825119,75826075,2016-06-02 00:08:05,">>75825207
Probably the same abbo cunt who dreamed up a giant rainbow snake in the sky.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1464826085
75825119,75826096,2016-06-02 00:08:21,">>75826026
You had knowledge prior to birth?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826101
75825119,75826212,2016-06-02 00:09:47,">>75825947
Awwww",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826187
75825119,75826893,2016-06-02 00:18:46,"Hehe, that's a pretty nice meme kid, I've got a few of my own, Hehe. They're pretty dark though, I wouldn't wanna shatter your world christfags, or would I? Hehehe...",,CHRSITIANANNIHILATOER666,image_29.jpg,t6j3ZTzlFSnfILP2qdNBgw==,US,,1464826726
75825119,75827115,2016-06-02 00:21:46,">>75826893
FUCK CHIP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826906
75825119,75827121,2016-06-02 00:21:51,"FEDORA TIPPER GENERAL
EUPHORICALLY ENLIGHTENED EDITION WITH IMAGINARY FRIENDS ARE IMAGINARY BONUS DLC
AVAILABLE EXCLUSIVELY ON REDDIT (also available on pc)
SHITPOST YOURS TODAY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464826911
75825119,75827340,2016-06-02 00:25:02,,,Anonymous,shegestrhrth.jpg,qnMHqSaxub2wpDSyheyFJA==,US,,1464827102
75825119,75827392,2016-06-02 00:25:38,,,Anonymous,THWRTHWTRHWRTH.gif,z51Wh+0dhFwtTOCHDaghCw==,US,,1464827138
75825119,75827431,2016-06-02 00:26:04,,,Anonymous,RTHWRTHWRTHWRTH.jpg,coJUH0bud2w4Dkj6lUiCow==,US,,1464827164
75825119,75827497,2016-06-02 00:26:54,">>75825358
UHHH EXCUSE ME THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T EVEN EXIST SO YEAH",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1464827214
75825119,75827501,2016-06-02 00:26:56,">>75827121
Why do CHRISTFAGS behave like children",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464827216
75825119,75827543,2016-06-02 00:27:36,,,Anonymous,wrgwergwerg.jpg,Yq5PAMOvMCKY3XpMWRJvVw==,US,,1464827256
75825119,75827579,2016-06-02 00:27:59,">>75825358
Even if the universe didn't come from nothing, what proof do you have that God created it? What created god?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464827279
75825119,75827644,2016-06-02 00:28:44,It's no coincidence that atheism = autism.,,Anonymous,6gorillion-alreadyin1915.jpg,4xtfouY5r7vdgy1Pd6n0EA==,FI,,1464827324
75825119,75827665,2016-06-02 00:29:00,">>75827501
Why do atheshits behave like children?",,Anonymous,image.jpg,haihCr40pVWilIDR18oxpQ==,US,,1464827340
75825119,75827686,2016-06-02 00:29:19,">>75827501
This thread's not even vaguely related to politics and there's nothing really to discuss as atheism isn't a unified belief system in the first place
So why the fuck is this thread here? Take it to /his/ if you want to discuss a belief system (or lack there of)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1464827359
75825119,75827924,2016-06-02 00:32:41,">>75827665
>no you
>litteral first grade level
Good work on that",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1464827561
76253550,76253550,2016-06-06 00:43:06,"ITT: We post dumb shit theists say
>""You know God exists, but you suppress the truth in unrighteousness""",Atheism General: Shit Theists Say Edition,Anonymous,82786106.jpg,y8UQISqGe0CVDwvS0E2sfA==,US,,1465173786
76253550,76253751,2016-06-06 00:46:00,"I'm not a theist, but I see no problem in somebody else being one",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465173960
76253550,76253789,2016-06-06 00:46:25,>Do you have proofs that utilitarianism exists?,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465173985
76253550,76254033,2016-06-06 00:50:06,">>76253550
>Christianity is the religion of our ancestors. Catholicism is great because we need our people be affected by a cult leader from a foreign country voted in by foreigners.",,࿕Germania࿕,,,DE,,1465174206
76253550,76254313,2016-06-06 00:54:19,"""When the rapture happens remember to ask for JESUS's forgivesness, Your prayers to god will not be heard.""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465174459
76253550,76254367,2016-06-06 00:54:57,">>76253789
>Thinking utilitarianism is consistently feasible when you can't know the exact future outcomes of your actions
>Thinking it is feasible when everyone values different goods",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465174497
76253550,76254370,2016-06-06 00:54:59,"""the """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""virgin"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" mary""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465174499
76253550,76254603,2016-06-06 00:58:22,"I don't understand how someone could earnestly believe in heaven/hell and then not live their entire life as a fucking monk.
Like honestly, here you are, believing that you live an eternity in one of these places based on your actions on this temporary level of existence and you spend it watching Duck Dynasty and working at McDonalds?
Nigga if you actually believed in God and the afterlife you'd be living your life like a fucking angel.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465174702
76253550,76254745,2016-06-06 01:00:16,">>76254313
I'll keep that in mind when I murder him",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465174816
76253550,76254787,2016-06-06 01:00:53,">Be God
>Be omnipotent
>Allow evil
>Not just 'i fell of my skateboard evil'
>Joseph Fritzl, children with cancer, every genocide ever
>lol the lord works in mysterious ways :^)
If there is a God he'll have to beg for my forgiveness",,Anonymous,,,MY,,1465174853
76253550,76254869,2016-06-06 01:02:24,">God doesn't exist
>Let's worship the government instead",,Anonymous,1458815131989.png,smpn1JP+sEi0waEkquilIA==,US,,1465174944
76253550,76254999,2016-06-06 01:04:18,">>76254869
That's what fascism literally is you worthless sack of piss and wind",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465175058
76253550,76255092,2016-06-06 01:05:33,">>76253550
>I don't understand why you can't allow me to follow my spiritual path in peace. Why do you keep following me around and quoting Richard Dawkins? Don't you have more productive uses of your time than needlessly mocking other people who are different than you?
haha dumb Christfags",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175133
76253550,76255168,2016-06-06 01:06:46,">>76254869
>I don't understand dictionary terms",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175206
76253550,76255207,2016-06-06 01:07:29,">>76253550
You have no unalienable rights with an authority above any human congregation.
Have fun getting burned at the stake the first time a professor decides gingers are genetically inferior.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175249
76253550,76255216,2016-06-06 01:07:42,"Why would Satan ever make hell a bad place? If I were him I'd make it better than heaven, that's surely the best way to say ""fuck you"" to Jesus and his dad.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465175262
76253550,76255307,2016-06-06 01:08:51,">>76255207
Without* you goddamn phone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175331
76253550,76255449,2016-06-06 01:11:03,">>76253550
>>>/r/atheism
Atheism is being promoted by jews and is what sjw's and other degenerates follow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkVC1gZInxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LhabQJ_-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NQOnjswuFI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.669381
http://www.shj.org/
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/secular-humanistic-judaism-rejecting-god/
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/must-a-jew-believe-in-god/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/atheist-jews-judaism-without-god_n_978418.html
http://thehumanist.com/magazine/september-october-2014/humanist-living/jewish-atheists-and-koufax-jews
https://secularpolicyinstitute.net/numbers-the-rise-of-jewish-atheists/",,Anonymous,1445082217655 (1).jpg,ArXaTOeEuPDAWTuAhCK50w==,US,,1465175463
76253550,76255467,2016-06-06 01:11:21,">>76254869
humans have a void without religion. that must be filled. normally with government. no nation that becomes atheist will survive for 100 years",,Anonymous,1459667363842.jpg,3ywTEvtrWc8cbG4O8om2Lg==,US,,1465175481
76253550,76255532,2016-06-06 01:12:20,">>76253550
Can Americans be atheists? It says right in your pledge to love God etc.",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1465175540
76253550,76255702,2016-06-06 01:15:18,">>76255216
satan didnt make hell idiot, he is there to be punished not to rule. he is forever frozen in ice at the very sanctum of hell",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1465175718
76253550,76255740,2016-06-06 01:16:11,">>76255532
Americans can be whatever they want. They have the freedom of religion which also means the freedom ""from religion."" That said, our founders created a government that could operated independent of religion, but that required a God-fearing populace. The government was never intended to be a moral arbiter. Sadly the American Left has used our Judiciary to act as moral arbiter and subverted our founder's intentions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175771
76253550,76255795,2016-06-06 01:17:08,">>76253550
The problem with non-religious people is they form a sort of god complex. It gets pretty spooky from there.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175828
76253550,76255799,2016-06-06 01:17:15,">>76254603
>I don't understand how someone could earnestly believe in heaven/hell and then not live their entire life as a fucking monk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_talents_or_minas
>>76255216
>Why would Satan ever make hell a bad place?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_in_Christianity#Rebel",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175835
76253550,76255831,2016-06-06 01:17:45,">You have faith... In that chair. If you didn't have faith, you would never sit down! If you didn't have faith, you would think that you'd simply fall through ghetto chair and would never sit down for fear of the unknown!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465175865
76253550,76255995,2016-06-06 01:20:40,">>76254745
How can you murder a semite who died literally 2000 years ago... 
EDGING OFF TEH CHART IM SO OFFENDED HOW DARE YOU TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN!!!",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465176040
76253550,76256091,2016-06-06 01:22:28,">>76255702
Im sorry but dante's inferno was fan fic at best",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465176148
76253550,76256262,2016-06-06 01:25:03,">>76253550
Most Atheists are relativists so good luck getting them to agree on pretty much fucking anything. Hell Dawkins thinks child molestation is ok if its culturally accepted.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465176303
76253550,76256301,2016-06-06 01:25:38,"""The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ""agentur"" of the ""Illuminati"" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465176338
76253550,76256391,2016-06-06 01:27:18,">>76255995
I thought he res erected or is 'destined' to return.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465176438
76253550,76256707,2016-06-06 01:32:28,"Is this supposed to be the counter to the cg spam?
Why even bother. They unironically worship some dead jew on a stick. 
It's punishment enough. Just ignore the shilling.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465176748
76253550,76256820,2016-06-06 01:34:26,">>76253550
> couldn't figure out murder is wrong by yourself
Nope. Couldn't even figure out the English language by myself, my parents had to teach me.
We can't all be supergeniuses that knew everything since the day we were born.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465176866
76253550,76257160,2016-06-06 01:39:40,">>76256820
What?
Not killing ones kin is a biological imperative. A specific language is a proprietary knowledge base.
Unfortunately, I'm convinced you can actually be this dumb.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465177180
76253550,76257406,2016-06-06 01:43:42,">>76253550
No, sacrificial cults existed when the bible was written and had to be reminded of their immortality. Go back to school kid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465177422
76253550,76257451,2016-06-06 01:44:32,">>76257160
Actually, no it isn't. People can and will each other just to eliminate the hazard another human being presents, no different from wolves devouring the cubs that were fathered by other wolves. 
If you believe imaginary social constructs like ""civilized behavior"" are actual biological imperatives, you will be terribly and possibly terminally disappointed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465177472
76253550,76257744,2016-06-06 01:49:08,">>76256707
This.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465177748
76253550,76259548,2016-06-06 02:20:38,">>76255449
>Everything is a Jewish originated cult to control your mind
>So follow the same Jewish originated cult that I do instead
This is what Christfags believe. Hate to burst your bubble, but Europeans have, and have always had, their own unique culture, upon the belly of which Jewish ideologies are nothing more than a clutch of leeches.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465179638
76253550,76260407,2016-06-06 02:36:36,">>76253550
>implying atheists are good
Do America and the world a favor and kill yourself. Take some muslims with you if you can.",,Anonymous,atheists did nothing wrong.gif,kE/hhE88HkJVxzJSs58uVg==,US,,1465180596
76253550,76261078,2016-06-06 02:48:21,">>76255092
yeah youll be right as soon as jesus camps start calling themselves evolution camps",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465181301
76253550,76261458,2016-06-06 02:55:26,">>76254787
You think God gives a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. lowly carbon based life forms made of dust. Our salvation is a gift.",,Anonymous,1463443738359-pol.png,DN0f+I1uCqF6reGQgKFl8A==,US,,1465181726
76253550,76262737,2016-06-06 03:21:30,">>76260407
Please explain.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1465183290
76253550,76263243,2016-06-06 03:32:45,"""People were misbehaving so he flooded the whole place out, except for one boat, which has never been functionally reconstructed, and was full of birds and dinosaurs and freshwater fish.""",,Anonymous,as edgy as I&#039;d like.jpg,fS+kg5HzvwX7AMMA5HdXGg==,US,,1465183965
77316659,77316659,2016-06-15 00:22:03,"ITT: We post memes and discuss how retarded creationism is. Seriously, how can anyone believe this horseshit?",Atheism General: Creationism Edition,Anonymous,Noahs Ark Dinosaurs.jpg,/MwyqX+MRB+uFP3fZO5huQ==,US,,1465950123
77316659,77316876,2016-06-15 00:24:36,"Because 
>nothing 
>blow up into something
>and that something turned into dinosaurs
>who died
>and some animals 
>evolved into us
Is so much better right?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465950276
77316659,77316992,2016-06-15 00:25:57,">>77316659
Everything needs to be created.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465950357
77316659,77317051,2016-06-15 00:26:43,">>77316659
aalewis go back to plebbit",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1465950403
77316659,77317298,2016-06-15 00:29:39,">>77316876
>Canadian
Read this leaf
>>77316992
Ok 
>>77317051
>New Zealand
>Reddit accusation
Fuck off normie",,Anonymous,Marilyn Manson.jpg,zIOE7CBdoXpEBl6ils2ZXA==,US,,1465950579
77316659,77317339,2016-06-15 00:30:11,">>77317298
For leafy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_history_of_life",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465950611
77316659,77317363,2016-06-15 00:30:31,">>77317298
Read what?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465950631
77316659,77317377,2016-06-15 00:30:45,">>77316876
all that shit happening over 15 billion years is easier to believe than 6 days.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465950645
77316659,77317457,2016-06-15 00:31:45,">>77317339
Read this
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-1/
>>77317377
The earth isn't that old so it's impossible",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465950705
77316659,77317513,2016-06-15 00:32:26,">>77317377
>Not a metaphor
The time taken by God to get the universe created was summarized into a week, to correlate with the sabbath.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465950746
77316659,77317612,2016-06-15 00:33:49,">>77317513
It isn't a metaphor, stop this meme",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465950829
77316659,77317714,2016-06-15 00:35:06,">>77317612
This is a long shot but,
...Joe? Is that you?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465950906
77316659,77317736,2016-06-15 00:35:20,">>77317612
yes it was. a day for god could be millions of years for us.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465950920
77316659,77317743,2016-06-15 00:35:26,">>77317457
>The earth isn't that old so it's impossible
you were talking about the big bang as well, moron.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465950926
77316659,77317763,2016-06-15 00:35:40,">Everything in the holy texts I find stupid is a metaphor
>the rest is true because I said so",,Anonymous,1417902866004.png,xxP5hmp2/1C3CafieWuBGQ==,GR,,1465950940
77316659,77317802,2016-06-15 00:36:08,">>77316659
refute this nigga",,Anonymous,twobricks.gif,Uvf7y5mn0PYRqJsiM7/gYw==,US,,1465950968
77316659,77317876,2016-06-15 00:37:09,">>77317743
The age of the earth and the age of the Universe are not mutually exclusive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951029
77316659,77317880,2016-06-15 00:37:11,">>77317457
>Read Genesis
Already read it. Was the most boring read EVER. How much of a retard do you have to be to take it as actual history? Read similar mythology it all sounds the same",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951031
77316659,77317891,2016-06-15 00:37:18,">>77317714
No
>>77317736
No it's not, this is why Christianity is dying. If genesis was a metaphor then is god a metaphor also? Was anything in the bible real? 
>>77317743
Either way it never happened 
>>77317763
THIS! Just say you're an atheist",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951038
77316659,77317903,2016-06-15 00:37:26,">>77316876
Not believing in God doesn't necessarily mean believing in anything else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951046
77316659,77317912,2016-06-15 00:37:35,What did they mean by this?,,Anonymous,pol.png,TmmINgTZYA0XrPT6p7CjDw==,AT,,1465951055
77316659,77318021,2016-06-15 00:39:01,">>77317880
That's just your opinion",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951141
77316659,77318027,2016-06-15 00:39:04,">>77317880
>read it in English
>can only speak one language 
>ignorant of history
>ignorant of everything 
>seems to be okay with this
>is okay with not knowing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951144
77316659,77318035,2016-06-15 00:39:09,">>77317912
Maybe they meant to gas all you Austrian shitposting fucks? But for real everybody discusses religion on here. Who cares?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951149
77316659,77318110,2016-06-15 00:39:55,">>77317891
I'm actually agnostic",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1465951195
77316659,77318167,2016-06-15 00:40:26,pretty sure LEAF is just trying to out-shitpost aussieland again.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951226
77316659,77318190,2016-06-15 00:40:46,">>77318021
Ok
>>77318027
>Ignorant of history
How so.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951246
77316659,77318213,2016-06-15 00:40:59,">>77318110
I didn't mean you specifically, I meant when people say so and so is just a metaphor, who are you to decide that? Why that specific part?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951259
77316659,77318244,2016-06-15 00:41:19,">>77318167
No I'm not, I'm a Christian",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951279
77316659,77318306,2016-06-15 00:42:02,So you fags really get together to talk about your lack of beliefs? Or is this a slide thread?,,Sag,,,US,,1465951322
77316659,77318348,2016-06-15 00:42:39,">>77317891
>If genesis was a metaphor then is god a metaphor also?
No, and I don't know why you make that assumption.
>Was anything in the bible real?
It depends on what you're talking about. The Bible is a collection of stories, poems, historical accounts, etc. not just a chronological depiction of historical events.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951359
77316659,77318380,2016-06-15 00:43:00,">>77318244
i thought Canada was supposed to be a first world country?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951380
77316659,77318430,2016-06-15 00:43:38,">>77318213
It's demonstrably a metaphor because none of it happened. There's a reason none of your views are taken seriously by any scientific center.
>>77318306
>Dipshit can't even read the title
Read the title nigga
>Creationism edition
We're here to see the freakshow AKA creationists",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951418
77316659,77318483,2016-06-15 00:44:10,">>77318348
Genesis happened, you don't have to believe it but it did",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951450
77316659,77318573,2016-06-15 00:45:10,">>77318430
>center
You can keep denying it all you want, it won't change the fact that it happened",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951510
77316659,77318621,2016-06-15 00:45:48,">>77318483
>Genesis happened, you don't have to believe it but it did
I won't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951548
77316659,77318768,2016-06-15 00:47:40,">>77318573
>>77318573
>You can keep denying it all you want, it won't change the fact that it happened
This is what I say to you about evolution
>>77318483
*Citation needed",,Anonymous,Damn Nigga.jpg,PM0pZ/lik3kSuna7bl8Wmg==,US,,1465951660
77316659,77318826,2016-06-15 00:48:23,">>77318190
You tell me. We have roughly 6000 years of recorded history. Do you mean to say you have a great understanding of history? Don't lie.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951703
77316659,77318847,2016-06-15 00:48:38,">>77318768
There's zero evidence evolution happened, even scientists don't believe it they it say it's a theory, a theory with zero evidence if back it up.
And here's your source
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-1/",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951718
77316659,77319051,2016-06-15 00:50:58,">>77318826
What a coincidence that we have 6000 years of recorded history, and the earth is around 6000 years old also",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951858
77316659,77319092,2016-06-15 00:51:35,">>77318847
you can't be serious",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465951895
77316659,77319112,2016-06-15 00:51:52,">>77318847
>babby can't into scientific terminology",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1465951912
77316659,77319214,2016-06-15 00:53:03,">>77318826
Fair understanding. Obviously I'm not sitting over here acting like a fucking scholar who knows everything about every civilization ever. 
>>77318847
>Just a theory
A theory is a fact in science leaf
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/evidence_intro.html
>>77319051
Sorry cretard we have drawings older than that
http://www.livescience.com/48199-worlds-oldest-cave-art-photos.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465951983
77316659,77319224,2016-06-15 00:53:10,">>77319092
I am",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465951990
77316659,77319295,2016-06-15 00:54:09,Incoming Christfags REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,,Anonymous,10624971_10205176194194128_8904979358439626040_n.jpg,Po3T9O5NROz/LvMs67naQw==,US,,1465952049
77316659,77319334,2016-06-15 00:54:41,">>77319224
educate yourself my dude",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465952081
77316659,77319339,2016-06-15 00:54:42,">>77319214
Then how come these theories need to be updated every decade? 
They're wrong that's why",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465952082
77316659,77319381,2016-06-15 00:55:16,">>77319334
I read my bible every day",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465952116
77316659,77319393,2016-06-15 00:55:33,">>77319295
>Take common sense
>Brand it as Satanism
Okay.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952133
77316659,77319465,2016-06-15 00:56:28,">>77319339
They undergo revisions, but the theory is still the same just alterations of minor details. Are you sure you're not baiting?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952188
77316659,77319491,2016-06-15 00:56:42,">>77319381
you're no better than mohammad who thinks the earth is flat cause the quaran says so.",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465952202
77316659,77319616,2016-06-15 00:58:25,">>77319214
The more you learn to closer you will come to believing in God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952305
77316659,77319702,2016-06-15 00:59:30,">>77319491
The earth is not flat and the Qu'ran doesn't say that either.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952370
77316659,77319706,2016-06-15 00:59:32,">>77319295
The bible says rapists should be put to death
>>77319465
I can't lie it's a sign, no I am not baiting.
>>77319491
Islam is a satanic cult",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465952372
77316659,77319826,2016-06-15 01:00:54,">>77319702
>the Qu'ran doesn't say that either
It does, my dear friend abdul
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Quran",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465952454
77316659,77319881,2016-06-15 01:01:32,"> Criticizes the world's biggest larp(s) based on world's of the oldest works
> larp shitty modern works instead
Atheism",,Anonymous,,,MY,,1465952492
77316659,77319882,2016-06-15 01:01:32,">>77316659
There is no true explanation of creation. or at least confirmed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952492
77316659,77319923,2016-06-15 01:02:12,">>77319616
What's convinced you of belief in the Christian God?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952532
77316659,77319949,2016-06-15 01:02:34,"While atheists have no problem mocking young earth creationists, the majority of us will not even consider the possibility that race differences could go more than skin deep.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465952554
77316659,77320181,2016-06-15 01:05:40,">>77319949
>the majority of us will not even consider the possibility that race differences could go more than skin deep.
Save it for the next ""Nigger hate thread""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952740
77316659,77320202,2016-06-15 01:05:55,">>77316659
Its funny how atheists are the most ""progressive"" people on the planet and deny science's basic principle of survival of the fittest and the practicality of both eugenics and population control as the greatest tools for human advancement and evolution.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952755
77316659,77320399,2016-06-15 01:08:19,">>77319923
Many things. Many steps are necessary. First you have to come to believe a God could exist. If you aren't there yet nothing will change your mind. After that though, Jesus is the one who convinced me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465952899
77316659,77320422,2016-06-15 01:08:35,">>77319949
>>77320181
Since the second half of the 20th century, many anthropologists have rejected the notion of race as having any validity in the study of human biology.",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465952915
77316659,77320553,2016-06-15 01:10:22,">>77320422
And all of them are liars. So what?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465953022
77316659,77320670,2016-06-15 01:11:54,">>77320181
>>77320422
thanks for proving my point",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465953114
77316659,77320776,2016-06-15 01:13:20,">>77318244
why are you on 4chan? are you hiding in the closet like all those mormons lately filling up your mind with filth?",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1465953200
77316659,77320877,2016-06-15 01:14:37,">>77320399
>First you have to come to believe a God could exist. If you aren't there yet nothing will change your mind
Whoa whoa. You have to convince me of that first. Besides that's an irrelevant question. 
>Jesus convinced me
I read the Gospels and was bored to tears. Can you give me some Jesus juice to convince me.
>>77320670
I would discuss if it were on an actual race thread. However I agree with Italian anon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465953277
77316659,77321015,2016-06-15 01:16:24,">>77320776
I don't think we have Mormons in Canada, and I just enjoy coming here for discussion. I go on /v/ sometimes and /fit/ but I don't really like that they're gay so I don't go there often. 
You can have decent discussions on /pol/ I don't just post in Christian threads",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465953384
77316659,77321031,2016-06-15 01:16:35,">>77316659
It's only slightly less retarded than believing a sky wizard made you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465953395
77316659,77321320,2016-06-15 01:20:54,">>77320877
It's an evolution thread and you are claiming that human evolution magically stopped the exact instance some humans left africa and that neanderthal genes have no influence whatsoever
and the arguments of these anthropologists the italian referenced to basically boil down to semantics and 
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465953654
77316659,77321363,2016-06-15 01:21:29,">>77320877
I don't have to convince you of anything. I'm not obligated to be your baby sitter. If you want to know something, find it out. Unless you are incapable of doing such a thing? I'm sure you are not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465953689
77316659,77321422,2016-06-15 01:22:30,">>77321015
you are still filling your mind with filth - is that really what god want's you to do? fat shaming is quite a thing on fit and pol is full of satirical racism. I won't judge you but perhaps you should rethink it.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1465953750
77316659,77321575,2016-06-15 01:24:47,">>77316659
I am a Christian but I think it would be funny if you called yourself The Worlds Oldest Religion on your OP from now on, I think the trolling would be hilarious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465953887
77316659,77321586,2016-06-15 01:24:56,">>77321320
Typological and hierarchical models of race have increasingly been rejected by scientists in favour of models of societal development based on geographical origin.",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465953896
77316659,77321699,2016-06-15 01:26:31,">creationism
>god created everything directly by hand, including humans
>therefore specifically created humans to be able to breed at 12~ years old
Shouldn't creationists support pedophilia then? I mean to denounce pedophilia would be the same as denouncing your god's own intended creation/design. I mean I guess it would explain all the pedo priests, as they are supposed to be the religious authorities it makes sense that they acknowledge and accept god's design. Any christcucks here care to explain yourselves?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465953991
77316659,77321754,2016-06-15 01:27:12,">>77321422
I don't like the sexually explicit photos posted here so I hide those posts, but if you ignore those threads you can find good information on fitness that has helped me personally. Fat shaming isn't exactly a bad thing though, to be fat is to destroy Gods creation, it's important we take care of our bodies. It's a bad thing I suppose to bully people but it's different from shaming, I don't agree with their bullying though.
Racism is just being realistic, I understand /pol/ wants blacks lynched and stuff which isn't right but there's nothing wrong with saying the average black is usually fitter and the average white is usually more intelligent. That's how God made us",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465954032
77316659,77321858,2016-06-15 01:28:32,">>77321699
The body is too small usually to be able to safely give birth at that age, they might be capable of it but it doesn't mean they should.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465954112
77316659,77321933,2016-06-15 01:29:28,"The children are up late tonight, aren't they?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465954168
77316659,77322027,2016-06-15 01:30:25,">>77321858
What does that have to do with god's own intended design? Right now you're imposing your own human opinion on why god's design is flawed and shouldn't be adhered to. Are you some kind of heretic?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465954225
77316659,77322195,2016-06-15 01:32:41,">>77322027
God's design was for no one to have sex unless they were bound to each other.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465954361
77316659,77322205,2016-06-15 01:32:50,ХУЙ,,Anonymous,,,BG,,1465954370
77316659,77322364,2016-06-15 01:35:08,">>77322027
It's not flawed and I didn't say it's flawed. This process starts when they start to go through puberty, which is when they go from being a girl to being a woman and can safely have children.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465954508
77316659,77322414,2016-06-15 01:35:42,"Creationism might be wrong, but not knowing there is a creator is retarded.
Literally 17 year olds and redditors in here thinking that science can't be the observation of God's work.
>>77317298
Take your own life, please.",,Anonymous,smug techs.jpg,I/HlQKe27/JZg7BreP68ng==,US,,1465954542
77316659,77322675,2016-06-15 01:39:13,">>77322195
I would assume 'no sex until marriage' is still a thing among religious communities.
>>77322364
With modern medicine a 12 year old would be guaranteed to safely have children via C-section, if not just naturally anyway. So shouldn't people like you be rejoicing that god's design can now be fully enjoyed and be protesting for pedo rights?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465954753
77316659,77322703,2016-06-15 01:39:33,"My ex turned into a fundamentalist crazy and believed that everything in the bible was completely literal. I guess she always thought that way but I never realized how stupid she really was. Anyway, the only way I sort of accept the bible version of creation is when taken as a metaphor, that each ""day"" equated to millions of years. Anyone who believes it was literally 6 days is a confirmed low IQ subhuman.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465954773
77316659,77322808,2016-06-15 01:41:04,">>77321586
And why? Could it be an attempt to restore a ruined image after WW2? Aren't they purposely ignoring evidence of brain differences and refusing to research in this direction? Isn't it objectively clear to anyone with eyes that there are physiological race differences that go far beyond skin color to anyone who has eyes?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465954864
77316659,77322921,2016-06-15 01:42:41,">>77322675
A C section goes against what God had intended for women when they give birth 
>>77322703
She doesn't sound crazy, she actually sounds very intelligent. The bible did happen it's the truth",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465954961
77316659,77322949,2016-06-15 01:43:04,">>77322703
>Having relationships
If it was really made in six days, how would you know?
Were you there, my man?
Could god have put fossils and stars and other evidence of the ""earth is billions of years old"" theory there to ruse us?
If the earth was actually created 5 minutes ago, how could you prove otherwise pham?",,Anonymous,christian board.jpg,HgQ0Ms1UCwgE3WaXTa+4DA==,US,,1465954984
77316659,77322951,2016-06-15 01:43:05,">>77316659
The problem is that the Jews conflated their creation myths with a Greek understanding of History.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465954985
77316659,77322964,2016-06-15 01:43:18,">>77318244
You realize the Old Testament is written by old Jews?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465954998
77316659,77323006,2016-06-15 01:43:57,">>77322921
Nah she was dumb AF. Same as you desu senpai. Please don't reproduce.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955037
77316659,77323084,2016-06-15 01:44:51,">>77322921
Do you have a bible citation for that? 
In any case you could also argue that god intended 12 year old pregnancies to carry risk so what's the problem? Why support human laws which go against god's will?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465955091
77316659,77323111,2016-06-15 01:45:20,">>77319295
This is the most ill represented verse in the bible. Think about the times. People wernt marrying for ""love"" they were marrying to find someone to take care of you and procreate. This verse basically says ""You raped her? You took her innocence? Well now you have to marry her and take care of her as long as you live"". 
It wasnt about ""oppression"" it was about righting a wrong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955120
77316659,77323115,2016-06-15 01:45:23,">>77322808
>And why? Could it be an attempt to restore a ruined image after WW2?
It started well before that, since the discussion about the ancient egypt rulers race started.
>Aren't they purposely ignoring evidence of brain differences and refusing to research in this direction?
But they don't, I think you're misunderstanding the whole situation
>Isn't it objectively clear to anyone with eyes that there are physiological race differences that go far beyond skin color to anyone who has eyes?
Ofc but the social and cultural fabric in which they're raised is way more important that the race itself. There're many variables, genes are just one of them.",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1465955123
77316659,77323254,2016-06-15 01:47:18,">>77322964
What's wrong with that? All Christians were Jews at one point, we split off though, they have some things right but I believe Islam also believes in Genesis, which makes sense because it happened.
>>77323006
I'll have as many kids as I can afford :)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465955238
77316659,77323356,2016-06-15 01:48:45,">>77323111
>bible laws are time-dependent
So how come jesus hasn't dropped by to give us a 2016 update on outdated bible laws? Could it perhaps be that the book and everything in it was written by a bunch of sandniggers a couple thousand years ago?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465955325
77316659,77323364,2016-06-15 01:48:52,Is the Bible mythology kino?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955332
77316659,77323371,2016-06-15 01:48:56,">>77323084
>“I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children,
yet your desire shall be for your husband,
and he shall rule over you.”
It's in genesis 3:16
Stop trying to justify your sick fantasies, a 12 year old girl cannot make a good mother when she herself is still a child",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465955336
77316659,77323401,2016-06-15 01:49:28,">>77322949
>implying God gives a fuck about any of us
I'm not denying any sort of higher power, but yall seriously overestimate your importance in the overall scheme of things. Just admit you were swindled by Jews and stop trying to block humanity's progress because science doesn't fit your beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955368
77316659,77323585,2016-06-15 01:51:59,">>77323401
>block progress
Are you insinuating that degeneracy is ""progress""?
Care to illustrate something that Catholicism has """"blocked"""" in the last 20 years that wasn't literally faggot marriage and infant murder?",,Anonymous,southern posting.png,IlL0CSVBZBPUI1s8VuPJYA==,US,,1465955519
77316659,77323622,2016-06-15 01:52:30,">>77323084
Do you have a Bible citation for God wanting us to fuck little girls? 
You don't even realize how stupid you sound.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955550
77316659,77323636,2016-06-15 01:52:38,">>77323371
What does that have to do with god intending for 12 years olds to be able to bear children? You constantly keep failing to address the argument here. Am I hitting a nerve?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465955558
77316659,77323660,2016-06-15 01:52:59,">>77323585
Embryonic stem cell research",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955579
77316659,77323677,2016-06-15 01:53:14,">>77316659
/pol/ is a Christian board, fedora tipper.
Go back to plebbit.",,Crusaderkun,&gt;ayythiest.gif,QIxU4KQ5v7JAzAJN2mU8lg==,US,,1465955594
77316659,77323797,2016-06-15 01:54:52,">>77319295
Wait...
To find out if they reciprocate your sexual advance, don't you have to first make a sexual advance?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955692
77316659,77323849,2016-06-15 01:55:38,">>77323356
It's a misunderstanding, the bible says this
>28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
>29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Basically, if you sleep with a virgin and you're discovered you pay the father and you have to marry the woman.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465955738
77316659,77323892,2016-06-15 01:56:19,">>77323636
Okay, so you're shitposting. I already answered this question I'm not going to keep repeating myself to you",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465955779
77316659,77323909,2016-06-15 01:56:34,">>77323622
I don't need one? Creationism implies god intended for 12 year olds to get fucked and breed, so you christcucks need to prove otherwise.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465955794
77316659,77323995,2016-06-15 01:57:48,">>77323356
He already did. He established the new covenant with the new testament.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465955868
77316659,77324066,2016-06-15 01:58:54,">>77323909
Because he didn't, they can give birth after their period but that doesn't mean they can their hips aren't wide enough it's dangerous. In theory yes but in practice it's very dangerous, clearly if their body isn't designed for it they shouldn't. 
The period is just a side effect of puberty which means soon they will be able to give birth, it's not a sign that you should get her pregnant, it's a sign that soon she will be ready to start a family because she is going through puberty.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465955934
77316659,77324153,2016-06-15 02:00:20,,,Anonymous,1447597243565.jpg,4b8uwYTb10ivL5i2zMR8aw==,GB,,1465956020
77316659,77324222,2016-06-15 02:01:24,">>77324153
Saying Islam is a religion is like saying the KKK is a religion",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956084
77316659,77324278,2016-06-15 02:02:12,">>77316659
>Atheism General
>Shitposting and memes containment center",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465956132
77316659,77324362,2016-06-15 02:03:26,">>77324066
>God designed pregnancy so that it harms children
Why? Would an intelligent designer not either delay the ability to bear children until it is safe or make it safe for children to be pregnant?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465956206
77316659,77324431,2016-06-15 02:04:14,">>77316659
>School is over
>Summer is here
>Suddenly atheist threads on /pol/
Really makes you think
>Jews are promoting atheism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkVC1gZInxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LhabQJ_-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NQOnjswuFI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.669381
http://www.shj.org/
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/secular-humanistic-judaism-rejecting-god/
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/must-a-jew-believe-in-god/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/atheist-jews-judaism-without-god_n_978418.html
http://thehumanist.com/magazine/september-october-2014/humanist-living/jewish-atheists-and-koufax-jews
https://secularpolicyinstitute.net/numbers-the-rise-of-jewish-atheists/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465956254
77316659,77324443,2016-06-15 02:04:24,">>77324362
Did you ignore what I wrote?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956264
77316659,77324502,2016-06-15 02:05:22,">>77323995
Damn I missed the news was it on CNN?
>>77324066
>they can get pregnant at 12
>but god didn't intend for this
So...not so intelligent design? Isn't everything supposed to be according to god's plan and will? Which is it?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465956322
77316659,77324511,2016-06-15 02:05:27,">>77324222
The KKK is made up primarily of Christians who believe what they're doing goes along with God's plan.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465956327
77316659,77324622,2016-06-15 02:06:51,">>77316659
what did they feed the lions",,Anonymus,147828.jpg,V7hb9X8fqTtvZZ06/KUQQQ==,US,,1465956411
77316659,77324670,2016-06-15 02:07:24,">>77324511
And Muslims believe their doing Gods plan also",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956444
77316659,77324744,2016-06-15 02:08:23,Poking fun at the feeble minded is a pass time only for the slightly less feeble minded,,I'm always right,,,GB,,1465956503
77316659,77324765,2016-06-15 02:08:42,">>77324443
Your designer is not intelligent at all and he's sending mixed signals as evidenced by how hot children are.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465956522
77316659,77324783,2016-06-15 02:08:54,">>77324502
I am going to repeat myself one last time for you, we are NOT meant to get pregnant at that age BECAUSE our bodies were NOT designed for it yet. We have periods as a side effect of puberty which after it's finished it's safe to give birth.
You can live in a half built house, but is it safe?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956534
77316659,77324801,2016-06-15 02:09:10,">>77324622
This is a prime shitpost. I feel honored to witness it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465956550
77316659,77324837,2016-06-15 02:09:38,">>77324765
I'm not going to talk to disgusting people like you",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956578
77316659,77324928,2016-06-15 02:10:46,">>77324670
And that's why religion just causes problems in the world.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465956646
77316659,77325053,2016-06-15 02:12:08,">>77324837
baited for this EXACT reply (by God because it's all part of his plan)",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465956728
77316659,77325086,2016-06-15 02:12:32,">>77324928
What problems has Christianity caused?
Are you angry that we protest the murder of children?
That we are against the sexualisation of our society?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956752
77316659,77325167,2016-06-15 02:13:37,">>77325053
You want people to acknowledge how disgusting you are? Then I suggest you go to your local police station and tell them you think children are hot.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956817
77316659,77325204,2016-06-15 02:14:24,">>77324783
I am going to repeat myself one last time for you,
>they can get pregnant at 12
>but god didn't intend for this
Which is it? If 12 year olds were truly not meant to be impregnated then god wouldn't have made it so, but he did. And yet this design choice also puts children at more risk than adults. Why? I know ""god works in mysterious ways"" is supposed to be one of the christcuck mottos so shouldnt it be just that? That you can't understand why god would make it this way with your puny human mind but you should just accept it and embrace it anyway?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465956864
77316659,77325323,2016-06-15 02:15:57,">>77325086
Christianity says that every one of the one billion 55 IQ subsaharan Africans has an eternal soul and is going to be teleported to heaven or hell dimension. 
its completely universality and almost all christian denominations and churches support immigration. even eastern europeans accepted christian syrians. there are of millions of christian blacks in africa who have rape and murder rates on par with their muslim counter parts believe it or not. they just commit less terrorist attacks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465956957
77316659,77325340,2016-06-15 02:16:08,">>77325204
GOD DIDNT INTEND FOR THIS BECAUSE THEIR BODIES ARENT BUILT FOR GIVING BIRTH 
THE PERIOD MEANS THEY WILL SOON BE READY THEY ARE CAPABLE OF GETTING PREGNANT BUT THEIR BODY ISNT CAPABLE OF GIVING BIRTH
YOU NEED BOTH NOT JUST ONE",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465956968
77316659,77325453,2016-06-15 02:17:44,">>77325323
They are going against the teachings of the bible, God didn't intend for all of us to be one culture, one language and so on. He's the one who separated us all in the first place and gave us our language, we can assume he also gave us our skin colour and racial features.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465957064
77316659,77325499,2016-06-15 02:18:19,">watch The Passion Of The Christ
>wow this is a cool story
>look it up
>IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED",,Anonymous,1433081855861.jpg,792xGIiXvMPYyAlw8CxTkg==,SE,,1465957099
77316659,77325558,2016-06-15 02:19:02,">>77325340
But it's an objective fact that 12 year olds can be impregnated. Intelligent design suggests god made it this way. You are making an argument on how things ""should be"", instead of trying to reason why they are this way.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465957142
77316659,77325675,2016-06-15 02:20:32,">>77325558
im pretty sure he is the classic ""troll"" people talk about on the internet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465957232
77316659,77325720,2016-06-15 02:21:18,">>77325086
Throughout history? Quite a lot of attrocities were commuted in the name of Christianity. (most notably the crusades)
In a more contempory sense? Christians seemed to have simmered down quite a bit still seem hellbent on the denial and oppression of science as well as the human rights of those outside of their religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465957278
77316659,77325727,2016-06-15 02:21:22,">>77325167
What would they do? It's not illegal to find children hot and in fact your God designed 1 in 4 men to agree with me as proven by phallometric studies. Your God made 1 in 4 men find little girls hot and he also designed the little girls to be harmed by pregnancy. Is he sadistic or dumb?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465957282
77316659,77325728,2016-06-15 02:21:23,">>77325558
I DIDNT SAY THATS HOW THEY SHOULD BE I SAID THATS HOW THEY ARE THIS IS HOW GOD MADE IT CAN YOU READ?
I'm not replying to you anymore, I've repeatedly answered the same question over and over again and you refuse to read what I've said. I don't know of this is some kind of joke but I'm not going to answer you anymore. Read the bible if you need something answered",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465957283
77316659,77325850,2016-06-15 02:23:12,">>77325720
*committed
And also, what I said can be applied to most, if not all, religions. I have nothing against Christianity in particular.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465957392
77316659,77325897,2016-06-15 02:23:59,">>77325720
Okay, yes people do things they believe is right which isn't. But the bible doesn't say go kill, go rape like the Koran does.
Can you blame Christianity for an individual's actions? Not everyone who claimed they're a Christian will be a good person, just like not everyone who's an atheist would be good but at the same time there are atheists who can be good people",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465957439
77316659,77326039,2016-06-15 02:26:05,">>77325728
So you acknowledge this is the way god made it, now explain why you aren't supporting pedo rights now since they're in line with god's intelligent design.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465957565
77316659,77326219,2016-06-15 02:28:54,">>77325897
Once again, it's not just Christianity I have a problem with. It religion as a whole. It encourages people to not think for themselves and gives those that have evil within them a source in which they can justify all their actions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465957734
77316659,77326316,2016-06-15 02:30:23,">>77326219
Do you think this will magically go away if everyone were an atheist? The most evil people on this planet have mostly been atheists it was atheism and Islam that slaughtered so many of my people but it was Christianity and the pope that saved my country.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465957823
77316659,77326367,2016-06-15 02:31:03,">>77325728
Your God forgot to relay this information to us though. Not a single line of the Bible condemns pedophilia. Are we supposed to just kill the first one hundred or so child brides in childbirth until we figure out the pattern there?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465957863
77316659,77326608,2016-06-15 02:34:28,">>77319051
with carbon dating we can tell the earth is far older than 6000 years
>>77318847
>zero evidence evolution ever happened 
topKEK m8
>>77321015
oh, he goes on v
that explains it all
>>77323892
>>77323849
just fyi, if god just always existed and was created by nothing then it makes more sense that the universe just always existed
look up occam's razor
either your god is a sadistic asshole or doesn't exist
either way you're a cuck
(pic related it's christians an 12 y/olds)",,Anonymous,FUK YA SEEKING.png,QKPnYO18+8GKClqHB+ce0A==,US,,1465958068
77316659,77326764,2016-06-15 02:36:41,">>77324222
islam is just doing what the christians did in the crusades with 21st century technology
gay leaf is gay",,Anonymous,imblygin.png,sVE7JyUBSr4O+ifzLhUJ/A==,US,,1465958201
77316659,77326888,2016-06-15 02:38:40,">>77324837
>>77325167
>>77325340
>>77325453
>>77325728
>>77325897
>>77326316
god is testing your faith anon
press on for god mighty keyboard warrior
much devout
so bible
very holy cow",,Anonymous,4chanmaster.jpg,PJUaG6m8I2Qxb4YpK+8Eqw==,US,,1465958320
77316659,77327083,2016-06-15 02:41:40,">>77324622
fish from the sea ?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1465958500
77316659,77327148,2016-06-15 02:42:50,">>77316659
Modern atheism = anti-creationism???",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465958570
77316659,77327190,2016-06-15 02:43:22,">>77316659
STOP NIGGERS WE HAVE A FUCKING SHOOTING ON OUR HANDS AGAIN GET IN HERE NOT SURE IF SHOOTER AT LARGE
>>77326629 →
>>77326629 →
>>77326629 →
>>77326629 →",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465958602
77316659,77328579,2016-06-15 03:06:16,">>77323849
>(((50 sheckles)))
Have you guys ever considered what religions your forefathers followed before the Christian cultural appropriation? As an example, say the Muslim invasion goes off successfully in Europe and in a few hundred years everyone is full shria law followers. Some may bring up the archaic beliefs of the Christian pagans at that point and lul about it. Just like Christians lulz about older European religions they destroyed. Just a thought. I wonder if we've all been cucked and our original gods are shaking their heads",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465959976
77316659,77328824,2016-06-15 03:10:41,">>77316876
>cosmogenesis
>abiogenesis
>lumping it into origin of species
>a leaf
confirming creationists are retards thanks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465960241
77316659,77328852,2016-06-15 03:11:14,"i once asked a young earth creationist why don't we find kangaroo fossils outside of australia if all animal came out of the landing point of the magic ship, he didn't have an answer outside of ""the devil put them fossils there"" or ""it's a conspiracy"".
Same thing for all galapagos animals.",,Anonymous,1391451132896.png,8qSBz/c08uuOhGF8LO6weg==,BR,,1465960274
77316659,77329162,2016-06-15 03:16:19,">>77316659
Because if they don't believe it Christians suddenly lack a creation story. despite most denominations now saying it's merely allegory they all still stand by original sin, which isn't something you can advocate unless you believe in creationism. No Adam&Eve, no fall of man.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465960579
77316659,77329535,2016-06-15 03:22:19,">>77328852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjPNiIDp-4",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1465960939
77316659,77329729,2016-06-15 03:25:25,"There's a lot of different versions of creationism. My church teaches that there's no difference in an earth created from the Big Bang and one created ~200000 years ago by God. Here's why:
(1) In order for Free Will to exist there must always be room for doubt that God exists. Concrete proof that God exists would interfere with our ability to love him for what he stands for and cause us to feign love for him in the hopes of gaining a reward.
(2) A lack of a scientific explanation for the existence of the world would be concrete proof that God exists.
(3) The purpose of earth is to allow for the existence of humans, because humans are the only creatures capable of freely loving God.
(4) God created the world just before the dawn of the human age, because there's no point in him waiting around billions of years for us to evolve. But he created it AS IF it had been around for billions of years, complete with the mechanisms for the universe in which it rests.
If you want to be really technical, we believe that time only exists when God is present and that God can move freely through time. So God created the entire timeline, but only hangs out in the eras where people exist. Meaning that the time before that effectively doesn't exist as a singular block of time, but rather as an aspect of the present, because God has never bothered visiting it.
Scientific exploration into the nature of the universe should still be encouraged, because it can give us insight into the nature and beauty of God.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,N+pavObtAsu+3K62mkOfgw==,US,,1465961125
77316659,77330367,2016-06-15 03:36:09,">>77328852
also, why have human remains NEVER been found in the same sedimentary layers as dinosaurs or other ancient species?
>>77329729
(1) literally makes absolutely no sense, its baffling how flocks of people hear an explanation this hallow and except it.
(2) literally god of the gaps. Because humans have yet to solve the comsogenesis question ""GOD DIDDIT""
(3) no proof, just a statement
(4)That's not even accurate, humans have only recently shown up, the universe existed for about 14 billions years. earth is 4billion, and humans have only existed for about 1million. It amazing how narcissistic religion can be.",,Anonymous,1217467251663.jpg,LS5RPAByRXRbJAO68IYfhg==,US,,1465961769
77316659,77330496,2016-06-15 03:38:28,">>77329729
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465961908
77316659,77330648,2016-06-15 03:40:58,>>77316659,,Anonymous,13857606497091.gif,mPoPQa+FBFo5+Xhye0EK8g==,US,,1465962058
77316659,77330906,2016-06-15 03:45:28,">>77330367
also, why have human remains NEVER been found in the same sedimentary layers as dinosaurs or other ancient species?
>Implying they drank tea with a t rex, what animal is around you now
>Also the fossils they did found fits in a coffin",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1465962328
77316659,77331186,2016-06-15 03:50:10,">>77330367
>literally
>literally
Lol, not an argument. It's like you didn't even read what I said. 
Let me spell it out for you in simpler terms. God exists outside of time, which means he is capable of creating the past. 200,000 years ago God created the universe (past, present, and future).
Of course it's human-centric. Duh.
>>77330496
Why? If you're playing a game of Sim City would you rather start building roads right away or sit around for billions of years waiting for bacteria to evolve? God is capable of skipping the boring part, so he did.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,6kBso+TIf8V0x6g6vYnCuA==,US,,1465962610
77316659,77331380,2016-06-15 03:53:50,">>77331186
Do you love your mother?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465962830
77316659,77331772,2016-06-15 04:00:58,">>77330648
>i have absolutely no idea how the nebular hypotheses works, how gravity works, how a bio genesis works, or how evolution works dot gif
>>77331186
If god exists outside of time than you've just defined god out of existence, congrats.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465963258
77316659,77331857,2016-06-15 04:02:25,">>77331380
Yes. I'm looking forward to how you think you're setting up a logical trap for me.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,HocH7okB/ACcIkgE7L6aEQ==,US,,1465963345
77316659,77331997,2016-06-15 04:05:10,">>77331772
>If God exists out of time then you've just defined God out of existence
Nope. That's only by your standards. A physical entity cannot exist without time. God is metaphysical. He can exist without time or space because he is not bound by physical laws. God created time and space, therefore he must be capable of existing without them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465963510
77316659,77332087,2016-06-15 04:06:51,">>77331857
Actually you don't. The only way you could possibly love your mother is, if you never saw her and all the evidence in the world points to you coming out of an artificial womb. The reason you delude yourself into thinking you love your mother is that you want free stuff from her.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465963611
77316659,77332129,2016-06-15 04:07:40,">>77316659
AAAAAAYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AYYOOO
>smacks lips together loudly
SO HOL UP HOL UP
>eats leaves
SO U BE SAYIN
>gets jiggy wit it
SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN
>eats banana
AAAYYYOOO SO U BE SAYIN
>checks for nearest tree
U BE SAYIN
>collects ticks off of child to eat
HOL UP HOL UP
>licks teeths and smacks lips
AYYYOO U BE SAYIN
>does the ape walk
SO U BE SAYIN
>opens a up a forty and pours some for his homie Harambe
HOL UP SO U BE SAYIN
>goes to check in with his zoo keeper
WE WUZ
>Pounds on chest
U BE SAYIN WE WUZ
>sucks air through teeth
AYYYOO HOL UP SO WE WUZ
>pulls up shit to eat
SO WE WUZ
>instinctively looks around for other apes
SO U SAYIN WE WUZ
>faints and then gets up repeatedly
SO WE WUZ
>shouts at mirror
WE WUZ
>rips womans face off
SO HOL UP WE WUZ
>chucks shit
AYYYOO WE WUZ
>sets down kid who fell into habitat
HOL UP
>strokes childs hair
SO WE WUZ
>throws banana peel
WE WUZ
>participates in a evolution process
AAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPEEEEEEESSSSSS AN SHIIIEEEEEEEEETTTTT???
>learns kikongo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465963660
77316659,77332405,2016-06-15 04:12:34,">>77331997
By definition anything that creates the universe would need those properties. You are just assigning them all to ""your god"". Yet the same properties could be applied to any force including the universe itself. You could simply say the universe always existed, or the universe constantly entropies, implodes and big bangs again an infinite amount of times. Or you could say another dimension collided with this one and matter etc. poured into this one. You are just choosing the most convenient made up explanation that conveniently fits with your religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465963954
77316659,77332527,2016-06-15 04:14:54,">>77332087
Fair attempt, but there's a huge difference between the two scenarios.
When I love my mother I am loving her as a person, and hoping for rewards is an acceptable aspect of that type of relationship. But loving God is deeper than that. It requires you to accept the concepts of love and God into your heart of your own free will. If you know God exists it influences your choice to accept love into your heart and denies you of that choice.
I'm sure you've heard someone say ""She's your mother, you HAVE to love her"" or the same with a father, brother, sister, uncle, etc. Well they're right, you do have to love them because you are obligated to. The relationship we form with God is different by nature because every step we take in it is not obligatory.",,Anonymous,image.gif,eVWzoPOp/TcEPwzS6/7neg==,US,,1465964094
77316659,77332837,2016-06-15 04:20:39,">>77316659
P E P P E R O N I
Z O N I",,Praceteom,MECHA-HUME.jpg,9cI8ojA4nHpfuS8rgFEjcw==,US,,1465964439
77316659,77332934,2016-06-15 04:22:16,">>77332405
Even definitions are a concept limited by our ability to comprehend the physical world around us. God does not have to exist within time ""by definition"" because he exists outside of the paradigm you are trying to evaluate him with.
I guess if you wanted to look at it interdimensionally you could say God exists outside of the bounds of time and space within this universe but may adhere to the laws of time and space within a different paradigm. But since he created this universe he must have existed ""before"" time as we can comprehend since time is an aspect of the universe.
Just because an idea is convenient to my religion doesn't make it invalid. Whatever that means.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,V6H+jGlE7MXNUmqTeAGNDA==,US,,1465964536
77316659,77332935,2016-06-15 04:22:17,">>77318110
99% of atheists are agnostic
it's agnostic atheist
atheism is just a term used to say that we don't adopt any theistic belief because there is no reason to pick one religion over another",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465964537
77316659,77332939,2016-06-15 04:22:22,">>77328579
Those religions were inspired by fallen angels to deceive humans. Paganism is as edgy and stupid as you can get.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465964542
77316659,77333115,2016-06-15 04:25:49,">>77332935
There's ""no reason"" to believe your hand is attached to your arm either, but that ain't stopping you.",,Praceteom,SUPER HARRIS.png,3giDMUDnpeb2VkeyzIdyKw==,US,,1465964749
77316659,77333724,2016-06-15 04:35:55,">>77332934
Honestly people who argue whether a god does or does not exist are idiots. It's like arguing if the flying spaghetti monster or pink unicorns exist outside our universe. It doesn't fucking matter what you come up with or say since it is outside the universe it is not bound by any laws or logic we can think of so arguing hypothetical situations is just a fucking waste of time you niggas need to stop and think about this shit.
What you should REALLY be discussing is why you think YOUR religion is the actual one that's true. Since there's no evidence that makes your religion more believable than the thousands of other religions out there then the real question is why did you pick the religion you believe instead of the thousands of others that are just as valid? Protip: you were probably born into your religion and indoctrinated in it since you were young so you have an extreme bias toward your religion. The fact is when you look at it objectively and weren't brainwashed since you were a kid you'd realize there's no real reason to be in the religion you're in over another that has similar principles and morals. Some religions have even better morals than yours.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465965355
77316659,77333866,2016-06-15 04:38:20,">>77330367
>humans and dinos
He told me it's because they floated differently and were sedimented differently. 
I'm not kidding. 
And then he went and graduated in biology and now is specializing in education while still holding these absurds in mind.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1465965500
77316659,77333937,2016-06-15 04:39:35,">>77333724
There's ""no evidence"" that your sensory experience *actually* corresponds to real objects, but here you are obstinately and baselessly asserting it does and using that as your arbitrary criteria for judging every other proposition that comes before you.
All I can say is kek.",,Praceteom,SUPER HARRIS VS STRAW-PRIEST.jpg,ZIhce3kSGMBduNE7WXsrbw==,US,,1465965575
77316659,77333964,2016-06-15 04:40:08,">>77333115
>There's ""no reason"" to believe your hand is attached to your arm either, but that ain't stopping you.
That has to be one of the stupidest replies I've heard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465965608
77316659,77334050,2016-06-15 04:41:28,">>77333964
k
e
k",,Praceteom,poi.png,0eh+2pJZynHTBx+rvO72LQ==,US,,1465965688
77316659,77334075,2016-06-15 04:41:53,">things that don't exist now disprove creation
I have never heard more shit-tier logic. Then again, I've never heard logic from fedoras or shitlib """"""Christians"""""" anyway.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465965713
77316659,77334089,2016-06-15 04:42:14,">>77333937
>There's ""no evidence"" that your sensory experience *actually* corresponds to real objects, but here you are obstinately and baselessly asserting it does and using that as your arbitrary criteria for judging every other proposition that comes before you.
Show me were I even remotely made that claim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465965734
77316659,77334243,2016-06-15 04:45:21,">>77334089
If you don't believe your sensory experience corresponds to real objects then you lack a basis for criticizing anything that happens in the world based on anything other than your arbitrary preferences.
So what's it gonna be - illogical dogmatism or skeptical hell where you're incapable of forming substantive criticisms of views you don't like?",,Praceteom,hehehehe.jpg,u1YVXEHCOj14QFvMSCnC6A==,US,,1465965921
77316659,77334331,2016-06-15 04:46:57,>>77316659,,Anonymous,deuteronomy_13-9.jpg,OVykGrLzuJw5JveU/nmKlw==,AU,,1465966017
77316659,77334373,2016-06-15 04:47:36,">>77334243
At this point you're literally trolling",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465966056
77316659,77334403,2016-06-15 04:48:10,"Who the fuck believes that asexual, single celled organisms magically evolved so that all of a sudden there were two, sexual organisms, one male, one female, and that they just so happened to mate and have sexual (nom asexual) children?
You realize evolution is like, statistically impossible. You really think there is NO higher power that had at least some input?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465966090
77316659,77334446,2016-06-15 04:49:09,">>77334373
And you're displaying absolutely stunning intellectual brilliance and comprehension of the issues at hand on this topic. Have fun with your low IQ!",,Praceteom,talking about anything.jpg,pD3LWY97dwj+p5e/XKHmPA==,US,,1465966149
77316659,77334517,2016-06-15 04:50:14,">>77316659
>Creationism
>Not a straw man created by fundy protty and retreded atheists",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465966214
77316659,77334646,2016-06-15 04:52:47,">>77334403
>sexual children
No creationist in this thread could explain this yet. Why are children so sexy, when pregnancy is dangerous to them? What kind of intelligent design is that?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465966367
77316659,77334657,2016-06-15 04:52:59,">>77333724
You've completely given up on actual arguments and resorted to full blown ad hominem. It's actually quite sad.
I'll just counter your long sad rant by saying that I care far less than you do if my religion is completely true. You seem obsessed with proving me wrong when honestly I won't be bothered if I get to sovengarde and the Buddha greets me on a swimming cantaloupe. 
My religion has a single core tenet: That God loves us and the best way we can return his loving is by loving those around us. And I fully believe that. Everything else more or less stems from that but isn't essential to my beliefs.
I follow my religion because I find a great deal of joy in helping others. Given the nature of our creation story (and honestly most religious creation stories) there's absolutely nothing that prevents me from going out and studying evolution, astronomy, or physics and reaching the same conclusion as a militant anti-theist. 
Before this post, I hadn't said a single thing about the morals of my religion aside from that we don't believe God interferes with free will. So that's clearly just a frustrated blanket argument you're spewing because your head is hurting from not turning me into raging antitheist.",,Anonymous,image.jpg,TPcr/1pHDBDWw738qGbODA==,US,,1465966379
77316659,77334778,2016-06-15 04:55:13,">>77316659
here is a picture for all the subhuman jews/christians/muslims talking about their ""holy texts""
religion is literally santa-claus tier",,Anonymous,242779.jpg,bXMJSrsjITRRy1scI7H8zA==,DE,,1465966513
77316659,77334825,2016-06-15 04:56:03,">>77334403
>You realize evolution is like, statistically impossible.
That is not true. However low the probability is we do not know but there is every possibility that any arrangement of atoms is possible at any given moment with enough time and stuff. And just the observable universe itself is monstrously huge let alone the possibility that it is actually infinite and due to expansion we are slowly losing contact with everything outside our observable universe.
Also it is possible for two sexual organisms to have come from the same parent creating two offspring with the same genetic mutation that made them have sex. Many organisms we know have the capability to be either male or female at will so the argument them being different genders can be answered.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465966563
77316659,77335182,2016-06-15 05:02:52,">>77334446
I find it funny that you think you've displayed any more intellect with big words and circular logic. 
You're trying to imply there's ""no reason"" to believe anything when of course that just goes to the 3 basic assumptions in science. Then you try to imply that any reasoning I had is equivalent to the poor reasoning of actually picking a religion instead just accepting we do not know what religion is true if any.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465966972
77316659,77335371,2016-06-15 05:06:25,">>77335182
>circular logic
Really? Want to point out circular reasoning I've utilized? Quote me.
You random anti-theist retards *NEVER* cease to amaze with your empty rhetoric and complete lack of reasoning capabilities and reading comprehension.",,Praceteom,1368523356222.gif,Z8mItnHwY47MV0mzf4vVtg==,US,,1465967185
77316659,77335919,2016-06-15 05:17:23,">>77334657
I did not ad hominem lol. I was questioning your reasoning as to why you pick the religion you believe over others. Also the statement about there being other religions more moral somewhat irrelevant since anyone can believe any religion to be more moral than another based on what they choose. But in many people's opinion Jainism is probably the most moral and selfless religion. Obviously you'd disagree here but no opinion is without bias. I'm saying if you looked around long enough eventually you might find a religion that has better principles than your own but I see now that you believe in the PC version of one of the Abrahamic religions so that's hard to top as well.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465967843
77316659,77336018,2016-06-15 05:19:15,">>77316659
>Seriously, how can anyone believe this horseshit?
>so mad that his atheism fad is a minority no one listens to",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465967955
77316659,77336226,2016-06-15 05:23:16,">>77316659
I've come to the conclusion that people only truly believe in religion if they have an IQ under about 85.
Most religious adults in the West know deep down it's man-made fiction and are only in them because they support the morals, enjoy being apart of the community, need the coping mechanism effect of pretending there's an afterlife, don't want to make their parents mad, want to fit in on an anime website, ect.
Only very stupid people, small children and the mentally ill seem to genuinely believe in religion because these types of people have poor problem solving abilities and tend to defer to their authority figures for information.
Which is why you only ever see people legitimately willing to die and kill for their religion en mass in low IQ shitholes like the Middle East and Africa.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465968196
77316659,77336314,2016-06-15 05:25:04,">>77336226
l e l",,Praceteom,is u nig real.jpg,IE7GyjzOqIHOWF/I7DAH3Q==,US,,1465968304
77316659,77336474,2016-06-15 05:28:31,">>77335371
And you haven't said a single argument to me with any substance other than insults and existential nonsense we all must assume if we are to make anything remotely constructive. Basically you're arguing about the three basic assumptions in science when it is obvious to EVERYONE that it is pointless to argue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465968511
77316659,77336526,2016-06-15 05:29:30,">>77336226
This is the type of post you look back on in 5 years and think ""How could I be so stupid?"".
Open rebuke is better than hidden love so guess what you are a fucking idiot for making that post and this is coming from a fucking leaf.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1465968570
77316659,77336634,2016-06-15 05:31:32,">>77316659
>no mom! I want to play WoW with my friends! NO I DONT WANT TO GO TO CHURCH!",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465968692
77316659,77336704,2016-06-15 05:32:51,">>77336474
>existential nonsense
Logic is nonsense, yeah.
Nailed it anti-theist. 
Are you going to falsely accuse the person attacking your absurd beliefs of using circular reasoning again? Oh no I'm quaking from your awesome displays of enlightened intelligence!
T O P
K E K
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/",,Praceteom,1382542632867.png,/3UELEkjYMIRKoc4ZbPRDA==,US,,1465968771
77316659,77336744,2016-06-15 05:33:34,">>77336634
Who the fuck still plays WoW?",,Anonymous,solaire_sunny_d.png,nAPfcpletXCq7pVVw4dRaw==,US,,1465968814
77316659,77336915,2016-06-15 05:36:34,">>77334403
>You realize evolution is like, statistically impossible
your shitty 3rd grade understanding of it is immposible, actual evolution already happened",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465968994
77316659,77337022,2016-06-15 05:38:37,">>77317457
>links genesis like a source
Are you trying to make the rest of us look stupid? not even most hardcore Christians take genesis literally. It's an allegory, like plato's cave.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465969117
77316659,77337058,2016-06-15 05:39:16,">>77336704
>Logic is nonsense, yeah.
Just because you need to make some basic assumptions does not mean logic is nonsense. Your mentality is defeatism and you keep acting like this is some sort of battle. There is no win or lose here only discussion. My intent is not to make you ""quake"" so I don't know what your deal is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465969156
77316659,77337158,2016-06-15 05:41:44,">>77337058
>need to
Your definition of ""need"" is pretty fucking stupid senpai.
In no world do I ""need"" to rely on viciously circular reasoning in order to establish my belief system. Unlike you anti-rationalist empiricist retards.",,Praceteom,1409880981618.jpg,583X8Cg/4b7GrdJXxfaGtQ==,US,,1465969304
77316659,77337229,2016-06-15 05:42:56,">>77316876
>>nothing 
>>blow up into something
I want this meme to die.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1465969376
77316659,77337308,2016-06-15 05:44:26,">>77337158
i remember that picture, last time you somehow forgot to actually say how the government enslaves you,you jsut said that it does and that its bad",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465969466
77316659,77337460,2016-06-15 05:47:33,">>77337308
Thread dying =/= ""I forgot to say""
That being said, I've never talked to a Lithuanian about slavery *ever* - I'm not about to defend a claim I've never made.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465969653
77316659,77337544,2016-06-15 05:49:14,">>77337158
Mmk again nice trolling and great basic philosophy 101 non constructive arguments. 
>Unlike you anti-rationalist empiricist retards.
Just because we need to rely on empirical data to actually agree on basic things in this universe does not mean it is stupid. Holy fuck man get your head out of your ass with this shit you're really beginning to sound retarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465969754
77316659,77337618,2016-06-15 05:51:01,">>77337460
>Thread dying =/= ""I forgot to say""
maybe 'avoided' is the better term because you kept going on and on about how the government is basically raping you without consent without saying what it actaully does to you",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465969861
77316659,77337658,2016-06-15 05:52:02,">>77337544
I'm not obligated to make your completely illogical assumptions.
""The future will be like the past because in the past the future has been like the past lmao""
Unreasonable, illogical bullshit. If you can't formulate a logically coherent worldview don't expect *ANYONE* to take you seriously.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465969922
77316659,77337741,2016-06-15 05:54:06,">>77337618
Seeing as how that thread literally archived before I could respond, I *totally* ""avoided"" - yeah. The government taxes people - if those people don't pay, the government fucks them up. If I don't pay taxes they eventually come to my house, and if I resist them seizing my property they kill me.
Same with anyone else.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465970046
77316659,77337752,2016-06-15 05:54:21,">>77322414
Imo, there may be a god, there may not be. We will never know what is outside of the universe, if there is anything at all",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1465970061
77316659,77337767,2016-06-15 05:54:39,"Creationism is retarded, mostly because it assumes the bible is to taken literally. The creation myth itself is not in conflict with evolution.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1465970079
77316659,77337850,2016-06-15 05:56:24,">>77337741
>If I don't pay taxes they eventually come to my house, and if I resist them seizing my property they kill me.
Why don't you hire a private security agency to fend them off?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465970184
77316659,77337895,2016-06-15 05:57:18,">>77337850
I'm a pacifist.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465970238
77316659,77337897,2016-06-15 05:57:18,">>77337658
just wanted to confirm you were in fact a troll",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465970238
77316659,77338024,2016-06-15 05:59:57,">>77337897
I'd talk about how I wanted to confirm your incredibly intellectually lacking and inarticulate anti-theist dribble as being sincere or not, but you'd made your irrationality apparent long before your last post.
Ja ne~",,Praceteom,1372281775371.jpg,NQmlz92zjO275UVhrwz//g==,US,,1465970397
77316659,77338087,2016-06-15 06:01:16,">>77337741
then dont live in a society controled by a government, problem solved, theres plenty of these 'of the grid' little villages all over the world",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465970476
77316659,77338230,2016-06-15 06:03:56,">>77338087
Because the solution to evil is to move away from it and pretend it's not happening, not to decry and annihilate it. 
No wonder your country is a shithole.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465970636
77316659,77338237,2016-06-15 06:04:04,">>77338024
>your irrationality
uh
>logic, reason and empiricism are not necessary nor valued for me
ok",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465970644
77316659,77338315,2016-06-15 06:06:02,"Proof for the resurrection of Jesus:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
Proof for Genesis being the closest of all religious books to the actual beginnings of the world, presented by an ex-atheist professor:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dsbj7EN1Uzs
Save and watch in your spare time.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1465970762
77316659,77338388,2016-06-15 06:07:25,">>77338230
ok then, propose a better system, propose a government that works without taxes
>No wonder your country is a shithole.
oh im sorry, not everyone can be as great as the star of the world, i really hope i can live there someday and live to the ripe age of 'i just came here' and bleeding out from a gun wound",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465970845
77316659,77338450,2016-06-15 06:08:31,">>77338237
>""The future will be like the past because in the past the future has been like the past""
>I value logic lmao
I keep saying ""kek"", and it keeps being true. Please just kill yourself - you'll remove a little 'stupid' from the gene pool. Can't risk you raping a women and tainting the world with your weak inferior genetics.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465970911
77316659,77338489,2016-06-15 06:09:19,">>77338230
t. a pacifist
I'm sure the government will dismantle itself eventually if you keep asking nice and then we will all be hippies in a volunatry society free of hate",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465970959
77316659,77338501,2016-06-15 06:09:30,">>77338388
I have. Don't tax people - better system automatically achieved.
>i really hope i can live there someday and live to the ripe age of 'i just came here' and bleeding out from a gun wound
Lefty euro delusion will never not be hilariously pathetic.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465970970
77316659,77338684,2016-06-15 06:13:02,">>77338489
I don't give a shit what happens - I'm doing my job, which is calling sin sin.
You or anyone else being immoral doesn't change what I'm doing in the least. I'll be here until you kill me. And then I'll still be doing it.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465971182
77316659,77338751,2016-06-15 06:14:36,">>77338501
>Don't tax people
where do you think your taxes go to? but ok, lets say taxes are abolished, all government insitutions: the army, public schools and hospitals, roads, fire and police departments etc. jsut stop existing
8/8 instantly better, im sorry i tried to argue with you oh great genius
>Lefty euro delusion will never not be hilariously pathetic.
lets just abolish taxes guys, i mean who the fuck needs taxes right?
btw remind me the yearly death from guns in your country? i always forget the numbers, im sure its way less than other civilized countries right?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465971276
77316659,77338860,2016-06-15 06:17:00,">>77338751
A world in which an evil isn't happening is preferable to a world in which it is, ceteris paribus. Lithupoor that's pretty fucking basic reasoning.
>btw remind me the yearly death from guns in your country?
Remind me of the life expectancy in yours?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
L M A O",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465971420
77316659,77338937,2016-06-15 06:18:23,">>77338450
At this point its pretty entertaining really but why should I kill myself just because people have raped before there's no ""logical"" reason to believe I am capable of doing that. What makes you think rape is an actual event much less capable of producing offspring at all?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465971503
77316659,77339018,2016-06-15 06:19:50,">>77338937
>but why should I kill myself
I gave a reason.
""You'll remove a little 'stupid' from the gene pool.""
;)",,Praceteom,1446334091034.jpg,yoN5q5yFuEkhc/E+XZvQ0Q==,US,,1465971590
77316659,77339080,2016-06-15 06:20:42,">>77338860
>A world in which an evil isn't happening is preferable to a world in which it is
yeah and im guessing no social or economic structure at all in a society isnt evil?
>Remind me of the life expectancy in yours?
75..... us is 79
doing pretty well for a country thats not even 30 years old if you ask me",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465971642
77316659,77339141,2016-06-15 06:21:48,">>77322921
>A C section goes against what God had intended for women when they give birth 
So does getting getting an epidural.
Do all women that get an epidural so they don't have to experience eve's punishment go to hell?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465971708
77316659,77339177,2016-06-15 06:22:32,">>77339080
""No social and economic structure""?
Are you telling me people will stop doing productive things and trading with one another just because there isn't a group extorting money from them?
THAT. EUROPOOR LOGIC. LAMO!",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465971752
77316659,77339205,2016-06-15 06:23:03,">>77339018
What makes you think that would actually happen? What makes you think there is ""stupid"" and ""gene pool?""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465971783
77316659,77339259,2016-06-15 06:24:00,">>77339205
Chinchillas.",,Praceteom,1410071056914.png,DDXPw0Xjadla+bH1XNxaKg==,US,,1465971840
77316659,77339272,2016-06-15 06:24:07,">>77339177
What stops the dindus from raping you and stealing your stuff, when the police doesn't exist anymore and you are a pacifist that refuses to defend himself?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465971847
77316659,77339289,2016-06-15 06:24:26,">>77331772
You have no evidence any of those things are real.",,Anonymous,47344008.jpg,rw6Hje5rgvcQE4TSPG5S1g==,US,,1465971866
77316659,77339305,2016-06-15 06:24:51,">>77339177
>Are you telling me people will stop doing productive things and trading with one another just because there isn't a group extorting money from them?
yup, everyone will make their own roads, teach and heal their own family and extinguish fires, suuuuuuuuuuuure buddy
>THAT. EUROPOOR LOGIC. LAMO!
chill your autism pablo",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465971891
77316659,77339315,2016-06-15 06:25:03,">>77339272
Nothing. Their loss - I'm not judged for what other people do.
Why do I care?",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465971903
77316659,77339358,2016-06-15 06:26:01,"Why did God make black people?
What race were Adam and Eve?
How did all the different races sprout up from 2 people?",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465971961
77316659,77339392,2016-06-15 06:26:33,">>77339305
>yup, everyone will make their own roads, teach and heal their own family and extinguish fires
>suuuuuuuuuuuure buddy
STATIST DELUSION *AT ITS FINEST*.",,Praceteom,muh roads.jpg,h63tB85yVNAAuA22LIbnCQ==,US,,1465971993
77316659,77339483,2016-06-15 06:28:08,">>77339315
>There's nothing wrong with being raped by dindus.
Okay, you are just trolling, I see. It was stupid of me to assume anyone could seriously believe in libertarianism.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465972088
77316659,77339572,2016-06-15 06:29:58,">>77339392
unless you know how to build roads and have the equipment yourself, youll pay to private companies whetever price they want, and no, no one would do it for free just because you asked them very nicely
oh and btw im pretty sure you have never seen a road getting built, its not just some rocks on a field that shit actaully needs skill and equipment",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465972198
77316659,77339625,2016-06-15 06:30:48,">>77339483
I'm a Christian. I couldn't give two shits what happens to me - the sooner I'm dead the sooner I'm with my God. I'm not gonna stop calling sin sin, and niggers raping and governments extorting are just that.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465972248
77316659,77339635,2016-06-15 06:30:59,">>77339358
>Why did God make black people?
He made them possible to stem from Adam and Eve.
>What race were Adam and Eve?
All of them, obviously.
>How did all the different races sprout up from 2 people?
Adaptation, of course. In order to enjoy all the fruits of this planet, it was necessary for God to put adaptation into our bodies and minds.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1465972259
77316659,77339664,2016-06-15 06:31:35,">>77339392
btw, you forgot doctors, teachers and firemen, police, sewer workers, garbage and a fuck ton of other profession paid by your taxes",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465972295
77316659,77339701,2016-06-15 06:32:17,">>77339572
Who *EVER* implied everything will get made for free? I'll pay for roads if I want roads - I won't if I don't.
Fucking Lithupoors LAMO",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465972337
77316659,77339729,2016-06-15 06:32:47,">>77316659
With dicks",,Anonymous,IMG_20160615_123148.jpg,wrAf/P641O0K+MLBQUWvXg==,SE,,1465972367
77316659,77339783,2016-06-15 06:33:49,">>77339664
>forgot doctors, teachers and firemen, police, sewer workers, garbage and a fuck ton of other profession paid by your taxes
Oh you mean *all* those things that people have paid for out of pocket in the past, in the present, and likely which will likely be continued to be paid for out of pocket into the future? *THOSE* things Lithupoor? 
L
A
M
O",,Praceteom,1447924133696.jpg,LM4LSloZSAOFfXSArcCu6g==,US,,1465972429
77316659,77339892,2016-06-15 06:35:44,">>77339701
With what money? The local dindus took it from you. And you can't even walk without spilling shit out of your loose raped asshole, because you don't have any money to pay a private doctor.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465972544
77316659,77339915,2016-06-15 06:36:08,">>77339701
>Who *EVER* implied everything will get made for free
so you would gladly pay for someone else, but just not for the government? fine, i guess you just have a boner for private bussines and i wont change your mind on that
>Fucking Lithupoors LAMO
am i supposed to be amazed that you can make one word out of two or do you think thats an argument?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465972568
77316659,77339942,2016-06-15 06:36:48,">>77339783
Even in the roman empire the government was the one that built sewers and roads.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465972608
77316659,77339987,2016-06-15 06:37:32,">>77316659
>>77316876
This thread brings me back to the good old days of trolling religifags/bananafags. 
I was the ""Most people who become atheists do so because they got picked on in high school"" OP anyone remember my threads?
Good times. Thanks for the memories OP.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1465972652
77316659,77339995,2016-06-15 06:37:38,">>77339892
I'll sell your women to Abdul, of course. They're already more than willing Germany-yes.",,Praceteom,1409741747735.jpg,JePx8Xwu5d80KYLFje8Okw==,US,,1465972658
77316659,77340014,2016-06-15 06:37:57,">>77339783
people have never paid for police or fire departments out of pocket, they were alwats goverment funded, the only exception is doctors in usa (have fun getting bankrupt if you get sick or injured btw)",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465972677
77316659,77340084,2016-06-15 06:39:17,">>77339915
The government forces people give up their property or else. Generally not very many other people do the same. I've got no problem with people paying for anything they want so long as no duress is involved Lithupoor.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465972757
77316659,77340104,2016-06-15 06:39:35,The earth is only 6000 years old,,Anonymous,Noahs-Ark-ken-ham.jpg,qJtqIr1TWZvfwyN8/R5xtA==,US,,1465972775
77316659,77340107,2016-06-15 06:39:36,">>77339392
without government that would only be possible in a collectivist society
if you're in an individualist society like libertarians propose prepare for a roadless world
jk if the government disappears individualists have no chance for surviving",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465972776
77316659,77340143,2016-06-15 06:40:21,">>77339942
Look how many towns in the United States had their infrastructures funded by private individuals, then get back to me.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465972821
77316659,77340175,2016-06-15 06:41:03,">>77340143
you really think that could have been done without government",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465972863
77316659,77340221,2016-06-15 06:41:44,">>77340084
>The government forces people give up their property or else. Generally not very many other people do the same
 and you think the people that provide your house with water wouldnt brake your knees if you failed to pay them in this police free soiety?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465972904
77316659,77340239,2016-06-15 06:42:04,">>77340014
>people have never paid for police or fire departments out of pocket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States
https://www.wildfirex.com/private-firefighting/
FUCKING EUROPOORS WITH THEIR SHEER FACTUAL *BRILLIANCE*. LAMO!",,Praceteom,1434471308530.jpg,pG0HGGFDqT/lqkBC2q0aMg==,US,,1465972924
77316659,77340284,2016-06-15 06:42:50,">>77340014
People do sometimes pay for the police, except that they are called mafias and will fuck you up, if you don't pay voluntarily, and sometimes wage wars between each other.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1465972970
77316659,77340289,2016-06-15 06:43:00,">>77340107
Yeah, because individualists are incapable of trading and associating with one another.
Yeah. 
Nailed it.",,Praceteom,1446959201279.jpg,8sbSeo5haRtD2gr79obkEg==,US,,1465972980
77316659,77340334,2016-06-15 06:43:43,">>77340221
>police free soiety",,Praceteom,THECUTESTSTRAWMAN.jpg,WHfZb7lBlROORKSsjmJyzQ==,US,,1465973023
77316659,77340365,2016-06-15 06:44:11,">>77340289
no, because individualists end up getting rekt by collectivists because they are weak and pathetic",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465973051
77316659,77340432,2016-06-15 06:45:22,">>77340365
>sheeple
>not inherently weaker and more pathetic than anyone else",,Praceteom,1463885277084.jpg,7JIhlJPf3IjcmE7w3w9Tzg==,US,,1465973122
77316659,77340452,2016-06-15 06:45:38,">>77340239
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States
 employed by the major Class I railroads.
can you read what you actaully qoute? its like the age thing again
>private firefighters make up just 4.3 percent of the nation’s total firefighters
and you think these private firefighters couldnt extort you for more money just so your house doesnt completely burn down if they had a monopoly on firefighting?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465973138
77316659,77340464,2016-06-15 06:45:51,">>77340334
world's history with police existant: last few centuries
without police: everything except last few centuries",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465973151
77316659,77340509,2016-06-15 06:46:50,">>77340334
ok then, you pay for your police too if there are no taxes, whats the fucking difference beetween that and taxes?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465973210
77316659,77340537,2016-06-15 06:47:18,">>77340432
sorry to break it to you, but world is not japanese cartoon, its more united people > everyman for himself",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465973238
77316659,77340646,2016-06-15 06:48:58,">>77340509
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=militia",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465973338
77316659,77340649,2016-06-15 06:49:03,">>77340452
Railroad police aren't police poverty boy? 
Woah... mind... = ..... blown....
Is this... the power... of abject poverty?
They ""could"" extort me now. In fact, they already are. Fucking brilliant senpai - ""if you don't let them extort you, they could extort you!""
LITHUPOOR LAMO",,Praceteom,1431336561041.png,okxX5ITR0LoCQWMix6A3zw==,US,,1465973343
77316659,77340738,2016-06-15 06:50:27,">>77340537
I was unaware individualists couldn't unite. 
Mind
=
Blown.
>>77340464
In your low IQ mind you might've been thinking that was relevant to this conversation. But it's not~",,Praceteom,1431920723042.png,nzmVht0/e7KzD9XvnulWtQ==,US,,1465973427
77316659,77340987,2016-06-15 06:54:15,">>77340738
you're a grown man from america who has a nickname and tries to create an identity on an anonymous website and posts japanese cartoon girl pictures
also you basically said this:
>people who work together for the common good are inherently weaker than glorious übermensch who only care about themselves
kys",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465973655
77316659,77341016,2016-06-15 06:54:41,">>77340649
>They ""could"" extort me now. In fact, they already are
no, theyre not, unless you think that everything youre paying taxes for is extorting you, which again, they arent
>anime
>hasnt been in an other country
>everyones evil and using me
im really getting the neckbeard vibe from you",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465973681
77316659,77341045,2016-06-15 06:55:18,"americans are retards
/thread",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1465973718
77316659,77341061,2016-06-15 06:55:34,">>77340646
militia is by definition a shitty volunteer army, how long would you think that could hold out against a well prepared army?",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465973734
77316659,77341078,2016-06-15 06:55:49,">>77340987
>kys
Hohoho. Is that all the bants the butt of Europe can muster?
Pretty fuckin' weak desu senpai.",,Praceteom,scarecrow.jpg,f0NNTnugPMeTz5mwwzyYfQ==,US,,1465973749
77316659,77341118,2016-06-15 06:56:39,">>77341016
>unless you think that everything youre paying taxes for is extorting you
k e k
e
k
>>77337158",,Praceteom,1451012389572.png,hjh6nHLmC2+3ZygKupSkEQ==,US,,1465973799
77316659,77341327,2016-06-15 06:59:54,">>77341118
>k e k
>e
>k
8/8 rebutal m8, im guessing youre in murica just as a vacation from harvard
we done here m8, at least try to look up the things taxes poy for and then imagine how things would change if everything would be private, i mean do you really want everythnig to have their own private monopoly? if you do, ten i would suggest growing out of the macho, ebil gubment mentality",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1465973994
77316659,77341682,2016-06-15 07:05:48,">>77341327
Because *obviously* a man markedly more intelligent than yourself hasn't far more knowledge of the topic than you, the great Poverty-Kebab of Lithupoor.
http://daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf
 How are your shit genes and abject poverty treating you? I hope your performance in this thread aren't a general indication.",,Praceteom,1454714716154.jpg,8VpfxyelH2/6mICwSnd7xQ==,US,,1465974348
77316659,77341776,2016-06-15 07:07:08,">>77316876
>strawman
Wow good job billy, gold star!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465974428
77316659,77342095,2016-06-15 07:12:25,>>77323677,,Anonymous,1465186684764.jpg,uEAWAQe00pDCrnLvJZInkA==,US,,1465974745
77316659,77342160,2016-06-15 07:13:27,>>77323677,,Anonymous,1464900054412.png,ZF19E50wbVWRGkoOzlRilA==,AU,,1465974807
77316659,77342245,2016-06-15 07:14:58,">>77316992
But wait... who created the act of creating something?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465974898
77316659,77342583,2016-06-15 07:20:50,">>77333937
Wow look at this huge plate of word salad. I can't even tell if you're defending or attacking the fairy tales.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465975250
77316659,77342741,2016-06-15 07:23:24,">>77342583
>word salad",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465975404
77316659,77342828,2016-06-15 07:24:56,">>77323677
>/pol/ is a Christian board
being this huge of a newfag faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465975496
77316659,77342992,2016-06-15 07:27:24,">>77333937
>U cant kno nuffin
>Therefore YHWH exists
Compelling.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1465975644
77316659,77343133,2016-06-15 07:29:30,">>77342741
""There's ""no evidence"" that your sensory experience *actually* corresponds to real objects, but here you are obstinately and baselessly asserting it does and using that as your arbitrary criteria for judging every other proposition that comes before you.""
Let's word that way easier- What you perceive might not be reality. 
WOAHHH, you see how I didn't use 3 useless adjectives to try and beef up my shitty point that doesn't add anything to a discussion about religion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465975770
77316659,77343188,2016-06-15 07:30:20,>>77342992,,Praceteom,good job nailed that guy and his argument.jpg,oQkYKqrcvgxFBrSYef7PPQ==,US,,1465975820
77316659,77343234,2016-06-15 07:31:10,">>77343133
Boring as fuck. You'd make a really shitty writer.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465975870
77316659,77343300,2016-06-15 07:32:07,>>77343234,,Anonymous,Simba.jpg,4zOSwxf+G60LkZ6iOrahug==,US,,1465975927
77316659,77343323,2016-06-15 07:32:23,,,Anonymous,20070514.gif,Ux9/oTdGorqjyWxw3wk+lg==,US,,1465975943
77316659,77343342,2016-06-15 07:32:43,,,Anonymous,1224089879277.jpg,P9tOIenj5JvN8cRDRvSWmw==,US,,1465975963
77316659,77343367,2016-06-15 07:32:59,,,Anonymous,121649211444.jpg,F+OXVGhkwYtU4jH8Ui5KSg==,US,,1465975979
77316659,77343371,2016-06-15 07:33:04,">>77316659
>arguing on the Internet about religion
Anyone who does this is retarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465975984
77316659,77343448,2016-06-15 07:34:27,">>77343234
Actually, the greatest writers can keep their ideas succinct. 
Or wait, 
As it does so happen, a great portion (on the numerical scale) of those who partake in the literary arts don't find it difficult to fluidly translate their thoughts into a short, articulate point.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465976067
77316659,77343467,2016-06-15 07:34:44,">>77343367
>>77343342
>>77343323
I'm not religous but it makes you look really stupid to boil your ideology down to comics and spam them instead of explaining it like a human.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465976084
77316659,77343494,2016-06-15 07:35:14,">all these cult members
Will you go to Church this weekend?",,Anonymous,atheist-church1-e1380035534136-620x371.jpg,2n7yMUTcegNxHYk2WTgwWA==,SE,,1465976114
77316659,77343624,2016-06-15 07:37:16,>>77343467,,Anonymous,1232285196041.gif,Yi8yUrHuJe8DXk3FpNsaXA==,US,,1465976236
77316659,77343634,2016-06-15 07:37:27,>mfw people unironically believe that the world was created in 6 days,,Anonymous,1465906474930.gif,h4kVUb5pg7SnRAITcBd6ng==,GB,,1465976247
77316659,77343680,2016-06-15 07:38:04,>>77343342,,Anonymous,arguing with a liberal.jpg,L2rJ3gWy2U7CGOnvpLfPcQ==,NL,,1465976284
77316659,77343739,2016-06-15 07:39:12,>>77343680,,Anonymous,2plausible4me.jpg,jSbL502Nigg0UrRYZTvh4Q==,US,,1465976352
77316659,77343797,2016-06-15 07:40:00,">>77343448
""What you perceive might not be reality"" doesn't tell you why that's the case. It doesn't provide you with a reason to think such. And most stupid laypeople - people like you who *actually* think adjectives make something ""word salad"" (lol) - can't even entertain the thought.
While my statement does *AND* mocks the person at the same time. Learn to write~",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465976400
77316659,77344206,2016-06-15 07:46:31,">>77343797
Actually, your statement didn't explain shit about ""why"" that's a possibility. And the only person it mocked was yourself for thinking it holds any validity in this discussion. I can literally link you to a video of Thunderf00t destroying some guy making the same pathetic argument as yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465976791
77316659,77344440,2016-06-15 07:50:23,">>77344206
>Actually, your statement didn't explain shit about ""why"" that's a possibility
>""There's ""no evidence"" that your sensory experience *actually* corresponds to real objects""
>implying people who base their beliefs on evidential criteria don't see a lack of evidence toward a proposition as a reason to entertain the thought it might be wrong
K
E
K.",,Praceteom,,,US,,1465977023
77316659,77344786,2016-06-15 07:55:28,">>77344440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9BfsHsVGNg",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465977328
77316659,77344911,2016-06-15 07:57:06,">>77344786
Brilliant retort after making a false statement and being called out on it. 
Truly euphoric.",,Praceteom,1452408094628.png,Of2Z8PgUeyoO6jp8eqddVA==,US,,1465977426
77316659,77345093,2016-06-15 07:59:45,">>77344911
What false statement you fucking dipshit? There is nothing discernible between the two statements other than the length. Skip to around 9:30 into the video.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1465977585
77316659,77345232,2016-06-15 08:01:46,">>77345093
>There is nothing discernible between the two statements other than the length
>""There's ""no evidence"" that your sensory experience *actually* corresponds to real objects""
>implying people who base their beliefs on evidential criteria don't see a lack of evidence toward a proposition as a reason to entertain the thought it might be wrong
IT KEEPS HAPPENING!",,Praceteom,1373852408306.jpg,8Ayz6qDhi4gEg+Ye/O2nfg==,US,,1465977706
84668742,84668742,2016-08-09 01:41:06,"ITT: We post only the most stupid/hilarious Bible quotes
I'll start
Genesis 2:7
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.",Atheism General - Dumb Bible Quotes Edition,Anonymous,atheism.jpg,QZHM0bLp6onCk0R820OEyg==,US,,1470706866
84668742,84669065,2016-08-09 01:45:40,">>84668742
Bump",,Anonymous,42.jpg,agnOhrEIA3QwpwK1xj+QoA==,CA,,1470707140
84668742,84669221,2016-08-09 01:48:02,">>84669065
Thanks Leafbro
:)",,Anonymous,Ship Rekt.gif,frrjFWTsAGknXxMkMot+aQ==,US,,1470707282
84668742,84669505,2016-08-09 01:52:08,">>84668742
Oprah 3:27
Climate Change beith the truth, the last ice age was just a test of your faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1470707528
84668742,84669710,2016-08-09 01:55:22,You can't cheesus the Jesus m8ty,,Anonymous,1470719066304.jpg,E25pDv2idmXsgChmwcVViw==,US,,1470707722
84668742,84669828,2016-08-09 01:57:04,">>84669710
Cheesus?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1470707824
86577185,86577185,2016-08-25 16:21:14,"Since the last thread closed before I could finish my response:
>>86567187
>Sure, but it's pretty retarded not to fix it as soon as you notice it, and not leave it there for hundreds of years.
English has changed over hundreds of years, bro. 
If a 16th century English translation uses the term “gay” for example, it means “happy” or “joyful”. Nowadays that term is used almost exclusively to refer to a homosexual.
Similarly, when the King James Bible was translated from Latin to the common English of the time (which started this particular version of the commandment), the word “kill” was equivalent in meaning to the modern “murder”. I’ve been told that “slay” was the morally-neutral term (like how we use “kill”).
I’ve heard it said that Italian is a “perfect” language because it is consistent in its grammatical rules. Maybe you don’t have this constantly evolving meaning in your words.
An example, if it helps - If you go to England and ask for a biscuit, you’ll get what we Americans call a “cookie. What we call “biscuits”, a Brit would call a “scone”. But if I were to start calling all Brits retards because of it, I’d be an insufferable, small-minded American tourist.
And to counter this change in vernacular, we *DO* have modern translations. The most popular translation in the world right now is New International Version, which uses the “murder” version. 
Some prefer to read King James for historical and poetic reasons. If they try to read it for precision in modern-day English, they’ll get tons of wrong ideas. That’s their fault for picking up an old version. Not Christianity’s, and not the King James translators'.
(cont.)",Atheism general (cont.),Anonymous,1472137828488.jpg,Wx4NV8jaDjPJPB+t28scPg==,US,,1472142074
86577185,86577261,2016-08-25 16:21:54,">>86577185
>Now you've got a lecture on situational ethics that they won't understand.
>How does this justify putting stuff that is wrong in the bible? 
See above. It’s not that the commandment is wrong, it’s that they’re using a translation with different vernacular. 
>Why say ""thou shalt not kill"", but then killing is okay in self defence. If kids can't understand ""thou shalt not murder"" then don't tell them until they can? 
>Why tell they can't kill at all, even if they know daddy killed people in the war or killed people in his job? 
>How about telling your kids that ""thou shalt not murder"" meant you can't kill anyone if you think they are too young to understand, why have the actual bible itself have something that is incorrect?
All excellent points. As I said earlier, I disagree with Christians who raise their children with this false translation. For the exact same reasons you just posted; it creates a dissonance in their minds about what Christianity says, and what their Christian parents do. 
Again, this does not equate to your earlier summation of “Christians are retards”.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1472142114
89280836,89280836,2016-09-17 21:40:57,Thread for the discussion of atheism and science. Christfags stay out unless you're willing to unlearn your conditioning.,Atheism General,Anonymous,image.jpg,QZHM0bLp6onCk0R820OEyg==,US,,1474148457
89280836,89280969,2016-09-17 21:42:06,">>89280836
Kek is the one true god faggot",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1474148526
89280836,89280970,2016-09-17 21:42:07,">>89280836
Cool thread. Too bad i misplaced my fedora.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1474148527
89280836,89281080,2016-09-17 21:43:06,">>89280836
>atheism and science go together
Love this meme.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474148586
89280836,89281090,2016-09-17 21:43:12,Stop muddying science with your atheism,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1474148592
89280836,89281156,2016-09-17 21:43:47,,,Anonymous,christianity-the-belief-that-some-cosmic-jewish-zombie-can-make-you.jpg,81zETqdEHpd0iPS4rB6AnA==,US,,1474148627
89280836,89281169,2016-09-17 21:43:51,>*tips fedora*,,Anonymous,,,US,,1474148631
89280836,89281205,2016-09-17 21:44:08,">>89280836
>Thread for the discussion of atheism and science.
ok.
>Unless you disagree with me, then you're mentally ill
ok.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1474148648
89280836,89281233,2016-09-17 21:44:27,">>89281080
Why are the majority of Scientists skeptics then?",,Anonymous,atheist scientist.gif,bVQBq5GAPLDMJS810K4bmg==,US,,1474148667
89280836,89281334,2016-09-17 21:45:21,">>89281090
>stay out unless you're willing to unlearn your conditioning
Funny coming from an atheist",,Anonymous,1474104052797.png,1mBDFQW9uayRNYyqJWBVDw==,AU,,1474148721
89280836,89281340,2016-09-17 21:45:25,">>89281169
found the cuck",,Anonymous,21312312.jpg,03N6/yHhu3e6M86gSUmiuA==,CY,,1474148725
89280836,89281601,2016-09-17 21:47:42,"Yeah fellow Atheists!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLT_v8BLFIY",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474148862
89280836,89281604,2016-09-17 21:47:43,">>89280836
Why does Atheism have a Jewish star symbol?",,Anonymous,atheiststarofdavid.jpg,1hZhGMInBTzTb1xJupxvuA==,US,,1474148863
89280836,89281673,2016-09-17 21:48:13,">>89281080
>>89281090
science is necessarily atheistic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474148893
89280836,89281723,2016-09-17 21:48:33,">>89281334
Atheists aren't conditioned. Most are born into religious families and then leave.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474148913
89280836,89281739,2016-09-17 21:48:39,">>89281604
why does Christianity have a Jewish guy as a god?",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474148919
89280836,89281843,2016-09-17 21:49:27,">>89281233
>majority
>48%
top quality b8 m8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474148967
89280836,89281972,2016-09-17 21:50:27,"JESUS SAID WE MUST WALLOW IN AVARICE, SERVE MAMMON AND BE GENERAL ASSHOLES TO EACH OTHER AND ESTABLISH AN ANARCHO-CAPITALIST ECONOMIC SYSTEM. 
When he gave the 11 commandments. Thou shalt not homo, thou shalt not premarital sex, and thou shalt not forgive, thou shalt not forget, thou art legion.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1474149027
89280836,89282040,2016-09-17 21:51:07,">>89281739
Where does it say god or christ is Jewish? He was not of the tribe of Judah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149067
89280836,89282142,2016-09-17 21:51:53,">>89281843
It's 66%. The people in dark green said they don't believe in god. That is Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149113
89280836,89282155,2016-09-17 21:51:58,">>89281080
>things get consistently proven wrong in that fairy tale i was told to believe all my life
>i discover fossils older than 6000 years
>i learn about evolution and how it fucks up all the time
>I have discovered a particle that connects all atoms
>but god still exists dude and you're a fedora if you believe it doesn't
Christian """"""""scientists""""""""""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149118
89280836,89282216,2016-09-17 21:52:29,"Atheists have the right to believe what they want, but generally speaking, the secular atheist is borderline autistic. Hence the large majority of Bernie supporters and libtards",,Anonymous,IMG_8280.jpg,F+rx+wucdjuEUTM1zXrxcQ==,US,,1474149149
89280836,89282319,2016-09-17 21:53:26,">>89282142
>but believe in a higher power 
8/8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149206
89280836,89282377,2016-09-17 21:53:50,">>89282040
Yahweh is the Hebrew god of Israel
Yeshua is a Hebrew carpenter from Canaan
stop denying your hebrew worshiping buddy",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474149230
89280836,89282596,2016-09-17 21:55:42,">>89282319
Atheism is the disbelief in God. They said they do not believe in God. Therefore they are Atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149342
89280836,89282613,2016-09-17 21:55:49,">>89282216
Christians have the right to believe what they want, but generally speaking, the religious Christian is borderline retarded. Hence the large majority of niggers in sub-saharan Africa and spics in Latin America.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149349
89280836,89282648,2016-09-17 21:56:03,">>89281604
take your meds",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149363
89280836,89282658,2016-09-17 21:56:12,HOW WE WILL ENSLAVE ALL THIS COLLEGE LEVEL TARDESES ?,,Anonymous,,,KH,,1474149372
89280836,89282765,2016-09-17 21:57:03,">>89282596
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149423
89280836,89282783,2016-09-17 21:57:08,">>89281723
As formerly the exact type of person you just described, no, I can tell you it is a conditioning out of stuff",,Anonymous,1472834649797.jpg,MfH58itd1TIOWKie+K7VmQ==,AU,,1474149428
89280836,89282876,2016-09-17 21:57:50,Trump will win. Check the digits,,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149470
89280836,89282918,2016-09-17 21:58:10,Science doesn't back atheism any more than it does theism.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149490
89280836,89282959,2016-09-17 21:58:36,">>89280836
I'm an atheist, but historically, European christians have really impressed me their cultures, and contributions to said cultures.
Conservative, pious women prayer while wearing a veil really stiffens a certain part of me. I just love non-degenerate women.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149516
89280836,89283028,2016-09-17 21:59:11,">>89280836
Edgelord",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149551
89280836,89283043,2016-09-17 21:59:19,">>89282959
>kike worshipers
>contributing in anything 
kek",,Anonymous,4234.png,4XVb/PWhV9pKZHTas8DHUA==,CY,,1474149559
89280836,89283115,2016-09-17 21:59:54,">>89280836
Fuck you mean ""discussion of atheism""? There's nothing to discuss retard that's the point. Not even gonna bump this",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149594
89280836,89283142,2016-09-17 22:00:08,">>89282959
Thank you. You said it all",,Anonymous,IMG_20160914_043656.jpg,nhhobhNI9lzD7lfUqmDsog==,US,,1474149608
89280836,89283146,2016-09-17 22:00:11,">>89281340
>Dawkins is a BLM cuck",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149611
89280836,89283148,2016-09-17 22:00:14,">>89282783
>it's conditioning if you don't want to believe
Look up what the word conditioning means. There are no atheist churches every 3 blocks within a school. There is no atheist religious history in America. Families don't teach their children atheism for generations, not in America at least because we were never communists.
You don't ""get conditioned"" to think whatever you want, you get conditioned to believe in something over and over again by society and communities.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149614
89280836,89283179,2016-09-17 22:00:26,">>89283043
>significant figures in scientific inventories
What?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149626
89280836,89283218,2016-09-17 22:00:47,>>89282658,,Anonymous,,,KH,,1474149647
89280836,89283240,2016-09-17 22:00:53,">>89283142
you do realize Yeshua Christ was a globalist right? Monotheism is by definition globalist",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474149653
89280836,89283271,2016-09-17 22:01:11,Any Atheist Trump supporters?,,Anonymous,1466908315832.webm,bmxYBHC2bzt/lf19nnHe8Q==,US,,1474149671
89280836,89283521,2016-09-17 22:03:21,">>89283146
you don't support blacks? That's very unchristian for you anon, don't you know all races are equal in the eyes of the Lord Yeshua?",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474149801
89280836,89283554,2016-09-17 22:03:41,Atheists are generally indecisive cucks who drank too much flouride and blame Christians for Muslims killing people.,,Anonymous,IMG_20160916_180723.jpg,Peud3QViFGy3M4tRodhQdw==,US,,1474149821
89280836,89283637,2016-09-17 22:04:24,"WE, ATHEISTS, HAVE POWER MORE POWERFULL THAN GOD IN BIBLE. WHY WE NOT ENSLAVE ALL THIS TARDED TEISTS?",,Anonymous,,,KH,,1474149864
89280836,89283669,2016-09-17 22:04:44,">>89283554
Angela Merkel invited millions of Muslims in Europe and she is a Christian, explain this cucked kike worshiper?
>inb4 not real chrishtian!",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474149884
89280836,89283758,2016-09-17 22:05:35,">>89282765
Read the page, moron.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474149935
89280836,89283953,2016-09-17 22:07:31,">>89281233
 So do the 33% of scientists that believe in God prove religion and science go together too?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150051
89280836,89284031,2016-09-17 22:08:11,">>89283758
>Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities
my mistake I guess a universal spirit or higher power isn't really a deity :^)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150091
89280836,89284047,2016-09-17 22:08:21,">>89283953
belief in god doesn't mean religion. I bet most of those 33% that believe in god are deists",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474150101
89280836,89284074,2016-09-17 22:08:37,ex-muslim atheist here,,Anonymous,,,SA,,1474150117
89280836,89284188,2016-09-17 22:09:33,">>89280836
*Autism General
fixed that for you f.am",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1474150173
89280836,89284276,2016-09-17 22:10:21,">>89284074
Don't get caught saying that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150221
89280836,89284354,2016-09-17 22:11:02,Are You Euphoric?,,Anonymous,1473199436283.png,kIGU6DObFXgxnAzogcwKcA==,US,,1474150262
89280836,89284383,2016-09-17 22:11:14,"Christfags everywhere ITT. MFW
Keknomamcers welcome though",,Anonymous,IMG_0656.jpg,AbeObNdcsuZLe1jeVKmIXw==,US,,1474150274
89280836,89284419,2016-09-17 22:11:35,">>89284031
Higher power≠God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150295
89280836,89284443,2016-09-17 22:11:45,">>89283521
I just said I'm an atheist, Roachpoulos.
I don't support the inverted version of the KKK.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150305
89280836,89284452,2016-09-17 22:11:47,">>89284354
very",,Anonymous,kawaii fedora-chan.png,zCgerhYzKpP7F7r+rk9J/g==,US,,1474150307
89280836,89284463,2016-09-17 22:11:51,">>89280836
>atheism = science meme",,Anonymous,1425099427837.jpg,UFNePppe9f+TGQn7paf9Rw==,US,,1474150311
89280836,89284623,2016-09-17 22:13:16,">>89284276
The government doesn't even probably know what 4chan is. They spend all there time monitering porn sites and instagram.",,Anonymous,,,SA,,1474150396
89280836,89284742,2016-09-17 22:14:10,">>89284443
most whites in usa are part black and most blacks in usa are part white, you will all be the same soon and start a hybrid KKK",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474150450
89280836,89284767,2016-09-17 22:14:23,">>89284623
So what made you take the redpill of Atheism?",,Anonymous,IMG_0680.jpg,lOC3jlyk+2oreMOCishGvA==,US,,1474150463
89280836,89284785,2016-09-17 22:14:28,">>89284419
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity",,Anonymous,lepointynoseface.jpg,2p06dK1HS07eVx73goe34g==,US,,1474150468
89280836,89284954,2016-09-17 22:15:56,">>89284623
but 4chan is a porn site. enjoy being beheaded for abandoning islam family.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1474150556
89280836,89284985,2016-09-17 22:16:08,>>89283043,,Anonymous,image.jpg,xN3azQept9UPB6n6R9wMiA==,US,,1474150568
89280836,89285107,2016-09-17 22:17:12,">>89284074
>posting from Saudi 
>ex-muslim
You are about to be ex-alive bro. Hope you are proxied.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150632
89280836,89285226,2016-09-17 22:18:10,">>89284767
the arrest of Raif Badawi",,Anonymous,,,SA,,1474150690
89280836,89285306,2016-09-17 22:18:48,">>89285107
yeah i am. my vpn is on the other side of the country. plus my android is encrypted",,Anonymous,,,SA,,1474150728
89280836,89285329,2016-09-17 22:18:58,">>89285107
he'll probably be in one of those beheading videos posted in here.
press F to pay respects for our fellow autheist",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1474150738
89280836,89285433,2016-09-17 22:19:55,https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism,,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150795
89280836,89285460,2016-09-17 22:20:11,">>89283240
The idea not the fucking system of government",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474150811
89280836,89285876,2016-09-17 22:23:51,">>89280836
i would love to contribute to the discussion, sadly my mechanical keyboard is broken from all the dorito dust and mountain dew. I seem to misplaced my tinfoil fedora, so it looks like the govornment is reading my mind while I type this on my phone. I think i'll masturbate to anime instead.",,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,XKUD7hOH3nIuuJRPhZZlBQ==,US,,1474151031
89280836,89286116,2016-09-17 22:25:51,">>89285876
why you need to masturbate? isn't the euphoria of your enlightenment through your own intelligence enough??",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1474151151
89280836,89286250,2016-09-17 22:26:44,">>89285306
>implying a VPN will protect you
a false sense of security is worse than no security. all the KSA has to do is contact your VPN provider and they will give away your IP address
but that's assuming they know what you're doing right now which they most likely don't",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474151204
89280836,89286339,2016-09-17 22:27:31,">>89283148
I know what conditioning is, and you're kidding yourself if you think the ambient culture the general public is presented with through the internet and media is not atheistic. You don't need a church every 3 blocks to preach something, especially straight to someone's screen.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1474151251
89280836,89287041,2016-09-17 22:33:14,">>89283043
>He fell for the dark ages meme",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1474151594
89280836,89287125,2016-09-17 22:33:51,">>89287041
>he fell for the ""the dark ages is a meme"" meme",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1474151631
89280836,89287174,2016-09-17 22:34:14,">in 2025 there will be more Christians in Africa than Europe
Say hello to your average Christian of the future",,Anonymous,Africa-Islam-Christian.jpg,2S1jwNba/XEmgPCK7yiWPA==,US,,1474151654
89280836,89287315,2016-09-17 22:35:28,">>89287174
Not surprising that low IQ individuals are also the easiest to convert to a fairy tale religion",,Anonymous,4124124125636523.jpg,4V74L5PDEyc4UkfZ8bDAxA==,US,,1474151728
89280836,89287569,2016-09-17 22:37:48,">>89287315
Christianity is dindu nuffin the religion, negros are so insane they blame every bad they do on spirits or demons no this is not a joke.",,Anonymous,,,BS,,1474151868
89280836,89288354,2016-09-17 22:44:42,">>89284074
thanks for posting",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474152282
89280836,89288521,2016-09-17 22:46:22,">>89280836
on the one in a hundred chance your serious with this, 4chan is definitely not the place you want to set up shop if you're looking for legitimate discussion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1474152382
89280836,89288592,2016-09-17 22:47:02,">>89287569
it's perfect strategy for dinduing
""Did you rape that girl?""
""No, I dindu nuffin. It was evil white spirit who possesed me.""",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1474152422
89280836,89288698,2016-09-17 22:47:58,Science is quite poor in practice.,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1474152478
89280836,89288738,2016-09-17 22:48:17,">>89287174
and this is your average atheist. Feel special?",,Anonymous,atheist (104).jpg,RdecTnSFBEEbthwVoaIVAw==,US,,1474152497
89280836,89288831,2016-09-17 22:49:01,">>89280836
Prove it.
Protip: you can't.",,Anonymous,1472501048503.gif,y5Ci0sMhyQ1nDIZxmahxXg==,US,,1474152541
93399938,93399938,2016-10-17 20:33:10,,/atg/ --- Atheism General,VenomRoy,atheism-earth.png,BHK7LHzE/mxJecTY8dAsFQ==,MX,,1476736390
93399938,93400149,2016-10-17 20:34:26,Why are christfags so god damn sensitive?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1476736466
93399938,93400390,2016-10-17 20:36:10,">>93400149
because when you point out their cuck beliefs and compare it to their actions/thoughts they realize their cognitive dissonance and freak the fuck out internally",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476736570
93399938,93401857,2016-10-17 20:47:24,">>93399938
Here let me post something that triggers every atheist everytime I post it everywhere I post it
Agnostic Atheist here who hates other atheists and views Christianity as superior.
I love God; the fact of whether he exists or not is irrelevant to me.
America and by extension all of Western culture is the result of 3 ingredients. The greatness of America essentially boils down to 3 things and it doesn't matter if you're an atheist or not, I'm strictly talking of formula; ingredients in a pot. Those 3 are thus:
Judeo-Christian Morality
Greco-Roman Philosophy ~and
Anglo-Saxon Law
I find that the humility to admit that I do indeed lack (because it is a lack) the faith is a personal flaw within my own heart. Even IF God definitely doesn't exist this is true. It is healthy for a society to have this ever present intrinsic judge in ones mind. I always felt something... off about popular atheism and it was only after I got into politics, and later Bill Whittle, that I discovered why.
Christianity, at the end of the day, gets shit done. And has historically.
This ""holds people back"" line every hipster leftist likes to regurgitate is pure untruth.
Frankly, I'm at a point where I think I could defeat Richard Dawkins in a debate. (famous last words) I detect in the man an earnestness if, admittedly, also an arrogance that is so endemic in us atheists. As a millennial I certainly possessed it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476737244
93399938,93404281,2016-10-17 21:06:51,">plants and trees somehow had the sentience to evolve fruits and vegetables that suit human tastebuds
atheists believe this",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1476738411
93399938,93404667,2016-10-17 21:09:58,">>93399938
Atheism is pseudoscience.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476738598
93399938,93405180,2016-10-17 21:13:55,">>93399938
geeee reeedy for the philosophical suplex of a life time.
Athiest = Disbelief based upon no evidence (Irrational) (Immoral) G.Ryle
Religious = belief based upon no evidence (Irrational) (Immoral) G.Ryle
Fuck you all Geeeeewd nite.
>inb4 centrist meme, it must hurt you to know your still on the wrong side and still would be wrong, so atheists are just willing to take twice the risk in being in disbelief and also rolling the dice on whether or not they even go to heaven as well. all for the sake of fedora tipping tokens.
muh soience.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476738835
93399938,93405997,2016-10-17 21:20:22,"You know I love how the atheist are getting so scared by the sudden increase in Christ general threads that every time one is made they make a ""oh religion hate thread (specifically Christianity) and shit like this
you people are scared",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476739222
93399938,93406282,2016-10-17 21:22:29,">>93399938
>>93400149
Case and point, first post proves exactly what a atheism general thread is all about. It's not about discussing atheism and science, It's about mocking Christfags.
Fedora's really can't handle /cg/s on /pol/ can they? a /atg/ thread is result of atheists being so buttblasted over christians on /pol/ that they have to make a shitpost general masquerading as a scientific discussion.",,Anonymous,1476659072902.jpg,OgYW96OObbPGsy3JwzFCdg==,US,,1476739349
93399938,93406305,2016-10-17 21:22:41,>>93399938,,Anonymous,1.jpg,VyG9GsSFBSEJaCOM10R5mg==,CA,,1476739361
93399938,93406529,2016-10-17 21:24:37,">>93405180
It's disbelief due to lack of evidence you fucktard. If I said there's a glass unicorn revolving the sun would you be irrational to dismiss me?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1476739477
93399938,93406997,2016-10-17 21:28:19,">>93399938
So when I bitch slap you or bang your wife it is neurons firing in my brain that caused it.
Atheists haf-too believe this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476739699
93399938,93407108,2016-10-17 21:29:13,">>93400149
the second a christ general is posted you people come out of the woodwork",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476739753
93399938,93407226,2016-10-17 21:30:08,"kek
>>93406529
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZyRGEJezcg",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476739808
93399938,93407352,2016-10-17 21:31:05,"Christians, please leave them alone. Don't spam, let them have their stupid thread. Then, MAYBE, they will leave us alone in our threads.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1476739865
98781310,98781310,2016-11-16 03:59:56,Why are atheists considered evil by some people on /pol/? Is it a new meme or what? Obviously only a retard would believe in a god in 2016.,ATHEISM GENERAL - Atheists get in!,Anonymous,atheism.jpg,y+2iZYMFaKt1UnLZdVHLBQ==,RU,,1479268796
98781310,98782057,2016-11-16 04:11:11,">>98781310
Because without a moral code on which to base their ethics atheists inevitably descend into materialistic relativism",,Anonymous,Screenshot_20161115-065159.png,hJ3F2WnZA9EeDJQOnDLGBg==,AU,,1479269471
98781310,98782254,2016-11-16 04:13:47,">>98782057
When theists pick and chose what parts of their holy text to base their morality on they are exercising the same discrimination and moral judgements that non religious people do. 
Only with extra irony.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479269627
98781310,98782346,2016-11-16 04:15:16,">>98781310
>atheism general",,Anonymous,1479287198783.png,8OhtI5Q7PhBh5zCYOWsrkw==,US,,1479269716
98781310,98782431,2016-11-16 04:16:38,">>98782254
When religious people do this it's because of a failure to correctly follow an objective morality which exists; when on-religious people do it it's because they have no objective morality to follow.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1479269798
98781310,98782637,2016-11-16 04:19:35,">>98781310
Because unfortunately most atheists are left wing and left wing people are scum",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1479269975
98781310,98782639,2016-11-16 04:19:36,">>98781310
>Why are atheists evil
Ask them. If they don't lie, they'll give you the reason. 
>Is it a new meme
>in 2016
:^)
Atheists are evil because atheism is memetic AIDS.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479269976
98781310,98782642,2016-11-16 04:19:39,">>98781310
I cannot comprehend the existence of God anymore. I've gone through different stages over my life, all different types of beliefs. But now, my brain is not able to fathom God. I just cannot believe in God. I lack the ability. How people think this is a positive, honorable trait worthy to brag about is beyond me. I wish I could believe in God, that I could receive his support and blessings. The world is degenerate and I have no support to fall back on other than my (flawed) self.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1479269979
98781310,98782791,2016-11-16 04:21:39,">>98782431
Correct, but descent into evil is the norm for atheism whereas theists (excluding Muslims) have moral codes that condemn and exclude those who break their rules.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1479270099
98781310,98783053,2016-11-16 04:25:15,">>98782642
Because you believe God would give you his blessings?
He created this world.
He killed billions in the Old Testament.
No matter if you believe in him or not. He is a jerk.
Hail Satan and welcome in Hell.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479270315
98781310,98783140,2016-11-16 04:26:17,">>98782642
>I cannot comprehend the existence of God anymore.
If you did, I'd find it more strange. 
>I just can't
That's because you are looking in the wrong places. You probably have all sorts of definitions and such you go to. That's not how you 'get' a person. Go talk to God. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Y_ztEW1NE",,Anonymous,1450318368126-4.jpg,Mg9hRQLIQ/pmpx+tCqsRYg==,FI,,1479270377
98781310,98783185,2016-11-16 04:26:57,">>98782431
Their is no objective morality only human convention, developed by genetics and managed by culture. 
Non religious people know the difference between wrong and right. While religious people must be told.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479270417
98781310,98783214,2016-11-16 04:27:30,">>98782637
Only a tard deals in absolutes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479270450
98781310,98783351,2016-11-16 04:29:20,">>98783053
>God is not real, but I hate Him
>He created this world.
And we let it be ruined by kikes. Or rather, our ancestors did. Not that our generation is doing all that much better. 
>He killed billions in the Old Testament.
..and they were asking for it. Child sacrifice, cannibalism, occultism, depravity, homosexuality, rapine...",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479270560
98781310,98783375,2016-11-16 04:29:39,">>98782057
Look... Here is what I think.
1. What's so bad about materialism? It's pretty much just being realistic.
2. Our morale is based on common sense and on following the laws. People should also be judged by laws rather than religious doctrine. Doesn't it make sense?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479270579
98781310,98783408,2016-11-16 04:30:09,">>98783140
How do you talk to something that doesn't exist and is just a fairy-tale? My schizophrenic patient truly believe she's married to Sean P Diddy Combes, but how do I talk to her delusion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479270609
98781310,98783502,2016-11-16 04:31:12,">>98781310
>Obviously only a retard would believe in a god in 2016
This right here is why everyone hates you. You aren't an atheist, you're a nihilist edgelord. Bravo.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479270672
98781310,98783593,2016-11-16 04:32:38,">>98783375
>What's so bad about materialism?
The axioms and premises it relies on result in a pointless, autistic world and existence. Why would you do anything in a world like that? 
>I'm hungry so I eat
You miss the point. 
>It's pretty much just being realistic.
False. Radio waves existed throughout history and pre-history. Materialists would think of them as gibberish, were it not for proof only available nowadays.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479270758
98781310,98783603,2016-11-16 04:32:44,">>98782791
But this is misleading because there is no god. Why wouldn't you just make a list of morale rules to follow? Instead of lying to yourself and other people?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479270764
98781310,98783615,2016-11-16 04:32:55,">>98783351
In the end, Lucifer was right about Mankind, and about God himself.
Shame he fell for being right.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479270775
98781310,98783714,2016-11-16 04:34:18,">>98782637
Yep, atheism+ is a pain in the ass, and the entire reason I distance myself from atheism in general.
For real though, this whole debate would be over if:
>Atheists stopped acting like smug cunts towards religious people.
>Religious people stopped shoving their faith down people's throats.
>Inb4 BUT IT'S A FEW BAD APPLES THAT RUIN RELIGION/AHTEISM: Yes, I know. The problem is that their communities aren't calling them out on it.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1479270858
98781310,98783738,2016-11-16 04:34:42,">>98783375
>People should also be judged by laws rather than religious doctrine
SJWs push for more regulation for this purpose. Because they, too, think this way. They just have more numbers than you, and a different taste. 
You have no moral high ground over them. 
>Common sense
Yeah, Logos is the way. Tolstoy had an issue with the alternatives, and so have I.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479270882
98781310,98783829,2016-11-16 04:35:59,">>98783185
Please explain how did you learn the difference between right and wrong. How did you come to the conclusion that A is right and B is wrong?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479270959
98781310,98783845,2016-11-16 04:36:17,">>98783615
>In the end, Lucifer was right about Mankind
That' we'd be like God now that we have morality? Ha ha ha. 
>and about God himself
Really? Now what would those claims be?",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479270977
98781310,98783919,2016-11-16 04:37:29,">>98783593
>Why would you do anything in a world like that?
You wouldn't. Life is meaningless, we are just another form for proteins to exist. Telling yourself there is god and meaning is lying to yourself. My common sense tells me it's stupid to confuse yourself, I prefer truth.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479271049
98781310,98783921,2016-11-16 04:37:31,"b/c /pol/ thinks atheism is the root of degeneracy and the current world state is due to it
Atheism is not beliveing in a god-figure. Thats like, it. 
I support Trump, mostly the GOP, despise democraps and liberals,fucking hate commies, etc...
Nothing of my beliefs is shaped by atheism. Its shaped by common sense, and living as an atheist is 99,9% the same as living as a christian.
That said, fucking Deus Vult, lets do this",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1479271051
98781310,98783981,2016-11-16 04:38:15,">>98783921
this",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479271095
98781310,98784009,2016-11-16 04:38:46,">>98783375
Also how do you make laws? You would perhaps say common sense again, but can you define common sense? What is common sense and what is not?
The truth is that the laws that most countries use are founded on religion.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479271126
98781310,98784013,2016-11-16 04:38:51,">>98783053
>>98783351
But I thought the Old Testament was officially void anyways.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1479271131
98781310,98784014,2016-11-16 04:38:52,">>98783845
Nah, older than that. When he refused to bow, claiming Men unworthy of his obedience, and that they can't be the perfect creature in Creation, and thus, God was wrong for creating them.
First Earth (before the flood) prove him right.
Actual Earth doesn't look that good.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479271132
98781310,98784063,2016-11-16 04:39:40,">>98781310
If God truly created us.. Worst parents EVER.",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1479271180
98781310,98784185,2016-11-16 04:41:19,">>98784063
Parents have thr obligatiob to take care of the child only until it's grown enough to take care of itself.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479271279
98781310,98784186,2016-11-16 04:41:20,">>98783185
>>98783829
There is no right and wrong, don't be stupid. It depends on a question. Wearing your left shoe on your left leg is right, and on the right leg is wrong. But if we're talking about complicated social decisions there is never a correct answer, everyone acts according to risks and profits.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479271280
98781310,98784189,2016-11-16 04:41:23,">>98782057
Everyone does that anyways, thanks to capitalism.
Also, religion isn't the only source of scruples.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479271283
98781310,98784248,2016-11-16 04:42:19,"Atheist reportin'
I dont need brainwashing from priests. I get it from media already.",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1479271339
98781310,98784334,2016-11-16 04:43:26,">>98784248
Pyre for you.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479271406
98781310,98784335,2016-11-16 04:43:26,">>98781310
That Image triggers my inner autist. Atheism is no religion or belief. It doesnt even belong in this list. Atheism is the rejection of any religious belief, however it is not the religion of science and big bangs. You can worship kek and claim ghosts are real and act like the earth is flat and still be an atheist",,Anonymous,1419955487367.jpg,s05DzINLoHW3UjE4odWHiA==,DE,,1479271406
98781310,98784404,2016-11-16 04:44:32,">>98784013
>jews conducting child sacrifice
>jews rebelling against God all the time
>jews having their special status revoked in favor of goyim
>golden calf
>pic related
If it is too ""pro-jewish"" you are probably reading some modern translation. 
>>98784014
>Older than that
>When he refused to bow
That's NT, though. 
I fear you are serious, though. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOJMbMWY-0c
Take a redpill.",,Anonymous,1475250819389.jpg,zexPKe8ds+HREkYP/fQLQA==,FI,,1479271472
98781310,98784405,2016-11-16 04:44:33,">>98784335
I think it's more one of those
""No belief"" vs ""Belief in nothing"" deals",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1479271473
98781310,98784503,2016-11-16 04:46:00,">>98784009
>can you define common sense? What is common sense and what is not?
>The truth is that the laws that most countries use are founded on religion.
You are right. Common sense is what helps the survival of our species and each one of us. It's our instincts developed by billions of years of evolution. Obviously first it was religion, and religion is also laws created by people (since there is no god), bible is like an old book of laws. Modern laws are the next step. Laws supposed to secure the safety and freedom of every person, but only to extent that does not hurt other people's lives and freedom. That is instinctive common sense, just as other animals usually protect each other and try to survive themselves.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479271560
98781310,98784552,2016-11-16 04:46:50,If your morals are based on what a character in a book thinks is wrong or right then you are an idiot,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1479271610
98781310,98784581,2016-11-16 04:47:20,">>98784404
Nah, it's ok.
I believe in God. Worst parents are still parents.
We'll all get what we deserve in the end. If I'm right, I'll probably end in Hell, I'm ok with that. If I'm wrong and our Eternal Father is not what he appears, I'll be happy to be wrong then.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479271640
98781310,98784599,2016-11-16 04:47:31,">>98783829
>Please explain how did you learn the difference between right and wrong. How did you come to the conclusion that A is right and B is wrong?
Evolution that shaped my brain into one that thinks in ways that enhance my personal survival as a group member.
Logical though, by thinking through actions and outcomes to judge the merit of a choice.
Observational evidence of what actually happens when people act in set ways.
Cultural observations of what are generally accepted moral actions and how they relate back to logic and observations.
The exact same means used by people that created religion in order to control a population. 
And for clarification right and wrong are judgements, rather than statements of objective truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479271651
98781310,98784600,2016-11-16 04:47:30,">>98784335
>asks for political affiliation
>""no political affiliation"" is a tap
Your autism is simply due to the identity politics.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479271650
98781310,98784658,2016-11-16 04:48:18,Atheism can be cured by reading and understanding Dostoevsky,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1479271698
98781310,98784685,2016-11-16 04:48:42,"can we all take a moment and remember that Satan did nothing wrong, and he was a red pilled proto-libertarian",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1479271722
98781310,98784687,2016-11-16 04:48:44,">>98784552
""book""
Some people believed in the Fascist book written by Mussolini.
Some people believed in the Communist Manifest, still a book.
Religion is no different, except it's written with the form of a fictionous novel.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479271724
98781310,98784688,2016-11-16 04:48:44,">>98784658
>russian brainwashing",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1479271724
98781310,98784709,2016-11-16 04:48:57,">>98782057
Thats a spook",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479271737
98781310,98784727,2016-11-16 04:49:10,">>98784186
>everyone acts according to risks and profits.
I don't believe that is true for most people in most cases. 
Humans are terrible at game theory outcomes and optimal actions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479271750
98781310,98784764,2016-11-16 04:49:52,">>98784685
Indeed.
Lucifer, the first /pol/.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479271792
98781310,98784767,2016-11-16 04:49:55,">>98781310
I don't think atheists are evil, just stfu if you don't believe in nothing. Guess what?
You grandparents & ancestors believed in something, but you're just too redpilled, so keep it to yourself genius.",,Anonymous,Screenshot_2016-05-06-03-47-08-1.png,qPah7YqH7Ar+entNNzTGtA==,US,,1479271795
98781310,98784837,2016-11-16 04:51:02,">>98784688
But atheism is just fine. :^)
http://atheism.about.com/od/philosophyofreligion/a/marx_4.htm",,Anonymous,yes we can.jpg,OZ7KD2h0qAJ/wubmOCN6Lg==,FI,,1479271862
98781310,98784858,2016-11-16 04:51:17,">>98781310
>Why are atheists considered evil
An atheist, a vegan, and a pothead walk into a bar.
Everyone in the bar knew it, because none of those insufferable cunts ever shut the fuck up about it.",,Anonymous,Vegans.jpg,nm5yIl2ymXmAtezB9dTcDw==,US,,1479271877
98781310,98784862,2016-11-16 04:51:19,"Perhaps I should say I believe in God... but he's not alone.
An agnostic Catholic jaded by the fuckery in church here.",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1479271879
98781310,98784906,2016-11-16 04:51:58,not evil just faggots and stupid as fuck,,Jesus Christ,atheist.jpg,gLNZN+NcyJ4k/1uDwBJDmg==,US,,1479271918
98781310,98784915,2016-11-16 04:52:03,">>98784764
>Lucifer, the greedy merchant who became full of violence and claims to be God
>first /pol/
First jew he is.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479271923
98781310,98784953,2016-11-16 04:52:38,">>98784837
Fake quote
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/undermine.asp",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479271958
98781310,98784954,2016-11-16 04:52:39,">>98784837
>coming from a finn
Mongol bro pls, stop trying to be as degenerate as the NA.",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1479271959
98781310,98785028,2016-11-16 04:53:33,">>98784186
We're talking about morality, not shoes. Now why is killing bad? Why wouldn't I murder the first person I see on the street? It would benefit me, because he might be competing for the same job with me, and he consumes resources that I could later need. But then again that is against the law which is based on religion. So I don't do it because it would make me a social outcast and it is against the morality that religion had instilled in us all. For example in some religions murder was a common think, or at least human sacrifice.
>>98784503
And I agree with that. I should point out that I'm actually agnostic and am advocating for the need of a state religion and not for the belief in God. In other words you can believe in whatever you want as long as you don't undermine the official religion and morals that it brings. Sadly most atheist are too self absorbed to grasp the benefits of organized religion and that makes them rather unpleasant.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479272013
98781310,98785056,2016-11-16 04:53:53,">>98784764
Add the fact that some people say Satan + Lucifer aren't really evil, and are angels by God.
Except they have been victims of evil churches, like how Trump's painted as evil incarnate by a few (read: media and billionaires) with selfish interests.",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1479272033
98781310,98785087,2016-11-16 04:54:15,">>98784727
Humans have the most developed brains so we are better at game theory than all the other animals. However evolution went only so far, and we cannot compete with computers set to solve difficult game tasks.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479272055
98781310,98785098,2016-11-16 04:54:27,">>98784915
But Jews hates him, that's make him a good guy, right?
Beside, what's wrong in wanting to be as powerful as a the main authority when said authority is wrong?",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479272067
98781310,98785208,2016-11-16 04:55:47,">>98784599
Obviously muslims evolved differently because they find it normal to stone people to death and have more than one wife. Nevermind that according to the theory of evolution we have the same ancestors. 
The russian poster is infinitely wiser than you, fedora autist.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479272147
98781310,98785315,2016-11-16 04:57:15,">>98784404
I have researched this, modern Christians think the old testament is void because the 'new law' replaced the 'old law' and there was a Bible passage that confirms this.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1479272235
98781310,98785331,2016-11-16 04:57:33,">>98782057
Being moral is not about religion its about family education. Look what Moral code mislims had.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479272253
98781310,98785337,2016-11-16 04:57:38,">>98785056
Maybe he is actually a trap card by God, or actually a shelter for people who decided to be free by defiance, and with God's will.
It would be the biggest plot twist of all times.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479272258
98781310,98785389,2016-11-16 04:58:27,">>98784953
Someday we find out that no quote is real. Thanks though. 
>>98784954
>as degenerate as the NA
NA is cancer, yes. The reason the worst types of Christians and ""Christians"" are there is because they were kicked out of our continent, or decided to flee by themselves. 
As for atheism and communism, they are both cancer. Even if a communist / atheist wanted good - legitimately, they'd be that hipster Muslim.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479272307
98781310,98785433,2016-11-16 04:58:59,">>98785028
Circular reasoning",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1479272339
98781310,98785457,2016-11-16 04:59:14,">>98785315
Sounds like re-written of History to me.
It's like Hitler went back in time and come back saying he never killed anyone.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479272354
98781310,98785475,2016-11-16 04:59:34,">>98785098
>But Jews hates him
What? The only reason they may want Lucifer banned is because he would be an antisemitic caricature, and that would be bad for the jews.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479272374
98781310,98785518,2016-11-16 05:00:13,">>98785389
>atheism
Why would i want a imaginary supportive figure to pray to? Im not a weakling, i believe in myself and get shit done.",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1479272413
98781310,98785519,2016-11-16 05:00:13,">>98781310
Dumbass. Religion is a set of moral codes to live by. Without it, you get faggots and commies running around. Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth you heathens",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479272413
98781310,98785532,2016-11-16 05:00:26,">>98785028
>Now why is killing bad?
It's not.
>Why wouldn't I murder the first person I see on the street?
Because
1) You'll get jailed
2) What is a profit for you to do this?
3) If you have profit and it's so big for you, you can do that and go to jail, nothing stops you
>law which is based on religion
It is not. Apple is red and blood is red, so apples are made of blood. This is your logic.
>So I don't do it because it would make me a social outcast and it is against the morality that religion had instilled in us all.
Remove the ""that religion had instilled in us all"" part.
>the benefits of organized religion
What benefits? To confuse the masses?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479272426
98781310,98785556,2016-11-16 05:00:44,">>98785208
>same ancestors
literaly irrelevant, unless you hate yourself being an offspring of a monkey mutant
All cars have the same ancestors- its the people that continued to work after Ford T that made our shitty Yugos or pussy catching BMWs
Culture is a huge part of social evolution. While we have our gay Priuses, muslims are still thinking how wheels work and how kafir they are. Hence why the west reaches for the limits, and sandniggers and vanilla niggers live in dirt.",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1479272444
98781310,98785691,2016-11-16 05:02:47,>This thread,,Anonymous,633.png,faE9zi5F1dIKJ38GOXr8GQ==,FR,,1479272567
98781310,98785848,2016-11-16 05:05:09,">>98785518
>imaginary
Why do you need to lie? Using straw men is not very productive, unless... 
>I'm no weakling
Then why would you even bring it up? You're like a textbook atheist from C.S. Lewis' book, Screwtape letters. Actually a good read. 
>""Actions speak louder than words""
Sounds like a truism, no? But it implies also, that truth lies in action. There's always a next step.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479272709
98781310,98785854,2016-11-16 05:05:14,"Religion in general caused more wars and blood than any of nazi/commie/terrorists combined! 
You dont need to be religious to be a good person!
Whole bilbe is filled with gore and punishments, much like quaran, so what good thing it can teach?
Ill prefer to read a historic or sociology book instead",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479272714
98781310,98785928,2016-11-16 05:06:22,">>98785532
>It's not.
You say that nothing is bad/evil, and then you defend atheism from the accusation that it is. Why? Because you gain from it? 
Get a load of this goytomaton.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479272782
98781310,98785941,2016-11-16 05:06:40,">>98785848
Then what is this 
>elevated
religion you're talking about?",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1479272800
98781310,98785969,2016-11-16 05:06:58,"I just don't give a shit about religion and I don't believe there's a big old dude in the clouds watching me while I'm taking a shit.
Yet I don't walk around and yell,""I'M AN ATHEIST BECAUSE (...)""
I just don't care about this stuff and I never will. Also I'm not slamming anyone for their beliefs and yet /pol/ thinks I'm some evil fedora wearing dickhead.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479272818
98781310,98786073,2016-11-16 05:08:11,">>98785854
in all defense to religion, thats b/c for thousands of years in most cases there was nothing else to fight about. Once the resource war part of history kicked in it flew under the flag of religion when in most cases religion was secondary",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1479272891
98781310,98786134,2016-11-16 05:09:05,">>98785969
Pretty much this, but i just dont get religious people that chant out loud in public. We got those here.
>JESUS LOVES YOU! BELIEEVEEE!!!",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1479272945
98781310,98786176,2016-11-16 05:09:33,">>98785556
I agree with all of this, but then again religion plays a big part in every culture. Therefore religion is also responsible for our development.
>>98785532
1) I pointed that out.
2)I pointed that out as well.
3)And nothing stops everyone else killing each other for resources until the society is no more. You'll say, then if that's bad for them they won't do it, but you miss the fact that not all people see it. There are people who kill just for the sheer pleasure of it. And if that was socially accepted how would you feel if someone murdered a close relative of yours and then this man went unpunished?
And that's where the benefits of religion lie, namely to control the masses.
And yes modern laws are based on the basic laws of religion. Don't steal, don't murder etc. etc.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479272973
98781310,98786283,2016-11-16 05:10:55,">>98786134
You should be happy, back in time you had crusaders screaming ""heresy"", and cutting heads everywhere.
That was religious preaching.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479273055
98781310,98786380,2016-11-16 05:12:10,">>98785854
Literally no war ever was fought simply because of religion. There was always another reason and religion is just the casus belli.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479273130
98781310,98786483,2016-11-16 05:13:31,">>98784858
This",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479273211
98781310,98786537,2016-11-16 05:14:09,">>98783214
>Only a tard deals in absolutes.
That is an absolutist statement. Were you dropped on your head?",,Anonymous,images.jpg,WNol54RhdccyZib7Ox6aNA==,US,,1479273249
98781310,98786598,2016-11-16 05:15:05,">>98785928
>>98786380
Resourses is a cause but why to cover this need of resourses with religious bullshit like deus wult or some shit. That gives religion a bad name. Atheism and science never been a cause of war",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479273305
98781310,98786615,2016-11-16 05:15:18,">>98785854
You would't even have historic or sociology before the XVIIth century if there was no Catholic Church to protect knowledge since the Fall of the Roman Empire in first place.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479273318
98781310,98786683,2016-11-16 05:16:19,">>98785854
>Religion in general caused more wars and blood than any of nazi/commie/terrorists combined! 
Two aspects I'd like to bring up. 
First, not all wars are equal. Two tribes of 1000 strength fighting each other and losing ~15% of their men does not equate to Red Terror. Even if there were, say, numerically more of those tribal fights. 
The most brutal expansion campaigns did not have a religious cause. Be it Gengis Khan or Alexander the Great, Western Imperialism or whatever you have. The only religious expansion that has actually been promoted by the doctrine of the religion has been Islamic conquest, and Judaic, assuming it happened, of course (given the prevalence of ""burn everything down and break their stuff"" attitude in the Middle East, finding Archaeological proof of actual events is difficult). 
Secondly, you imply that 
>""pain is evil, get it out get it out!""
Why would you do such a thing? You are not in pain, you live in relative peace and safety. As do all the people who argue like you do. Why is all blood equal? Animals eat each other all the time, why are you not equal to them? Because of your feelings? You demand God to do things a certain way because of your fee fees. 
>You dont need to be religious to be a good person!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeCyrgjIQ
>Whole bilbe is filled with gore and punishments
So is our entertainment and hopes (""Day of the rope""). 
>Ill prefer to read a historic or sociology book instead
Why is it one or the other? Why not both? Why is it a zero sum game?",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273379
98781310,98786700,2016-11-16 05:16:29,">>98782057
first post best post",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1479273389
98781310,98786735,2016-11-16 05:16:50,">>98785691
>that picture",,Anonymous,christ-cuck.jpg,DZX5WVHk+CM5UpthOakiXA==,FI,,1479273410
98781310,98786758,2016-11-16 05:17:06,">>98782057
Morality is made up.
Your morality is entirely different from mudslimes morality therefore morality is subjective. You have no evidence that your god is real while mudslimes god is fake therefore your morality is equally valid.
This is mathematic proof that morality is relative.
As for ethics We basw our ethics on reason and evidence to construct the social code which is the most productive to building a prosperous functioning society.
Our ethics > your ethics.",,Anonymous,Cp2OxToWYAAcnKc.jpg,INztuxxR/BHj+UMKcAhbkw==,RU,,1479273426
98781310,98786790,2016-11-16 05:17:30,"DAILY REMINDER:
All christians are absolute cucks.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273450
98781310,98786823,2016-11-16 05:17:59,">>98785941
You won't trust me, so ask God.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273479
98781310,98786862,2016-11-16 05:18:25,">>98781310
Can't agree more.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479273505
98781310,98786928,2016-11-16 05:19:17,">>98786790
All bait is a distress call. However, not all distress calls need to be answered. When a babby cries, it might calm down soon after. 
I'll wait a bit.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273557
98781310,98786936,2016-11-16 05:19:20,">>98786598
>commies were atheists 
>that gives atheism a bad name
>that's why I'm not an atheist
Are you really that shallow?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1479273560
98781310,98787024,2016-11-16 05:20:29,"All Abrahamic religions at their core, were created for caring out the most degenerate acts in human history.
Especially Christianity. It's basically a pedo-assimilation hand book.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1479273629
98781310,98787101,2016-11-16 05:21:34,">>98787024
[citation needed]",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273694
98781310,98787297,2016-11-16 05:24:05,">>98786615
>protect knowledge
Yeah like burning scientist and pursuing anyone who wants to study anatomics and astronomy. Rome empire had a lot of historians and even an early form of democracy and christians drown them in blood. They just want to keep low unebucated barbarians from unredstanding they no need to give the money and land to greedy jews in churches.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479273845
98781310,98787388,2016-11-16 05:25:25,">>98786928
Please turn the other cheek and love your enemy, cuck.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273925
98781310,98787431,2016-11-16 05:26:03,"CHRISTIANITY:
""If you kill your enemies, they win"", the religion.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273963
98781310,98787442,2016-11-16 05:26:13,">>98786537
>That is an absolutist statement.
Woosh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479273973
98781310,98787452,2016-11-16 05:26:24,">>98787297
>Yeah like burning scientist and pursuing anyone who wants to study anatomics and astronomy.
But it's ok if they are against vaccines, if they are racists or bigots. There's no reason to study eugenics. 
>it's as if information is always important for the governing organs, be it the media or the church",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479273984
98781310,98787594,2016-11-16 05:28:25,"Sanhedrin 59a: ""Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.""
Abodah Zara 26b: ""Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.""
Sanhedrin 59a: ""A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.""
Libbre David 37: ""To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.""
Schabouth Hag. 6d: ""Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.""
Hilkkoth Akum X1: ""Show no mercy to the Goyim.""
Baba Necia 114, 6: ""The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.""
Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: ""When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.""
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: ""Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.""
Aboda Sarah 37a: ""A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.""
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: ""If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible.""
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: ""How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.""
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: ""God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.""
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: ""When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.""",,Anonymous,murdering-goyim.png,mKHwpPZkAA1yU6J2jVvFCg==,US,,1479274105
98781310,98787601,2016-11-16 05:28:32,">>98787388
>using verses as absolute authority
>does not try to understand their meaning or context
Every time. Why don't you go shadowbox, since it's the only enemy you'll ever fight?",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274112
98781310,98787652,2016-11-16 05:29:03,">>98787452
""no reason to study eugenics""
lol =D
Also by your own logic confirms that church (as every fucking other religion) is just a crowd control tool aiming at governing the sheep like you.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274143
98781310,98787657,2016-11-16 05:29:07,">>98781310
Atheists are just cunts. I'm not religious, but I'd never say I'm an atheist because I don't want to be associated with those fucking autistic dweebs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479274147
98781310,98787688,2016-11-16 05:29:36,">>98787594
Atheism made goyim take pride in what judaism has stated of their nature. Truly, an enlightened system of belief.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274176
98781310,98787709,2016-11-16 05:29:56,">>98787297
Because Barbarians and warlods were so much better.
You should be thankful. Without the Church, a lot of our modern knowledge would have burned. People didn't know how to read, and msot of them were too busy to raid or survive to protect books.
The only one who did were scholars, and kept and copied books.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479274196
98781310,98787726,2016-11-16 05:30:10,">>98787652
>just
No. I'm not a reductionist.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274210
98781310,98787728,2016-11-16 05:30:13,">>98786936
Meh. A lot of commies was secretly religious and i knew it from my grandparents. Education is more important to become a good person than religion. I dont wanna be a slave of some jew or muslim fiction book in 21th century. Remember, ""Gagarin flew into space, but didn't saw any god there""",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479274213
98781310,98787811,2016-11-16 05:31:25,">>98781310
Fuck off",,Anonymous,1474307720353.jpg,zzGUASHqFFfZ0K4YbtrUVQ==,US,,1479274285
98781310,98787860,2016-11-16 05:32:10,anyone here an atheist National Socialist?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1479274330
98781310,98787895,2016-11-16 05:32:35,">be Christian
OK, who gives a shit
>Be Atheist
OK, who gives a shit
>Be Muslim
OK, who gives a shit
>Be a [something that causes harm to society]
Not ok
The problem here is the definition of the harm. Obviously some Wahhabist assholes might consider women not wearing a burqa harmful for society, or Muslims could think that the most harmful thing to society is not believing in Allah. Christians also have their ideas about what the most harmful things are, as do Atheists.
But what are truly the most harmful things? Is there an objective answer?
>""Jews and Niggers of course. Or, well, everyone except ME and other like-minded people!""
It doesn't work that way",,Anonymous,344121851.jpg,TDSGRn7FGHU4oeKip8G18g==,FI,,1479274355
98781310,98787907,2016-11-16 05:32:45,">>98781310
I simply don't have the motivation to pray or go to church. So I simply remain agnostic and generally have an open mind. 
I do like crusade music though. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0d4qM7gCH8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479274365
98781310,98787914,2016-11-16 05:32:49,">>98787709
Yeah and evil commies was burning churches and buildnig free schools on that place for uneducated christan peasants. That what you need to know about atheists.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479274369
98781310,98787929,2016-11-16 05:33:00,">>98781310
>be atheist
>care enough about what other people believe to make a thread",,Anonymous,advice.jpg,87o2vNvp1u+/wLcQB0nSuw==,GR,,1479274380
98781310,98787977,2016-11-16 05:33:42,">>98787728
>Education is more important to become a good person than religion.
Anon... When will you understand that education is the only remaining binding force nowadays? Mass brainwashing is the main reason you even think similar to your neighbor. Atheism leads to strong state (if not straight up anarchy like in France), which leads to all those evil things the religion is claimed to do.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274422
98781310,98787995,2016-11-16 05:33:54,">>98787860
Nah. Christian Defiant. I give a chance to Lucifer and agree to end in Hell.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479274434
98781310,98788326,2016-11-16 05:38:31,">>98787601
> muh open to interpretuhshun
Lol, some law you have there, if every faggot like you can interpret it as he seems fit.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274711
98781310,98788352,2016-11-16 05:38:52,">>98787995
>be god own everything and be an uppity cunt
>Lucifer revolts
>y..ou give humans knowledge you are eeeevil
>shit goes down
>world is split to three realms where each one has complete control over one and partial control over the other
>I....I won guys believe me
>n...next time we wills how him
I too cannot wait to kick Christfags asses a second time and eternally BTFO
It will be glorious",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1479274732
98781310,98788431,2016-11-16 05:39:52,">>98787914
And how the fuck would you want to teach them things if there is nothing to teach because medieval warlords burned all shit?
Beside, Communism is one of the most murderous ideology that ever existed.
You can talk about Christians being evil. USSR killed millions.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1479274792
98781310,98788440,2016-11-16 05:40:01,">>98787895
>Muslim
>not causing harm to society
you what man? =D",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274801
98781310,98788555,2016-11-16 05:41:36,">>98788326
>muh open to interpretuhshun
>law
I know it is hard for you, like most Finns, you are a pharisee of the worst kind and with zero understanding or desire to understand. No wonder the Swedes still rule our nation.",,Anonymous,1474402489955.png,5GVXdREzciGjOZQxno2tPg==,FI,,1479274896
98781310,98788561,2016-11-16 05:41:41,"Revelation 2:9 (KJV)
""...and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.""
Did you know that JEWS have always banded together as a tribe, infiltrated governments, monopolized financial systems of nations, instigated wars, and intentionally created chaos in societies? The Jews have mass murdered hundreds of millions of non-Jews over the centuries but they've seized control of the media so you'll never find out.
9/11 was an inside Jewish job - a pretext to go to war and destabilize Israel's neighbors. It's all for the establishment of 'Greater Israel' and the Jew World Order.",,Anonymous,get-ye-back.jpg,BUFKCGOqe4UydBjKrgobYA==,US,,1479274901
98781310,98788567,2016-11-16 05:41:47,">>98786700
>>98782057
except that is open to interpretation by every fucking faggot. Just look how many cucktians sects are there...
Your ""law"" is just a joke...",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479274907
98781310,98788811,2016-11-16 05:45:10,">>98788555
Not an argument. Also I'm not even Finn.
So if I interpret ""thou shall not murder"" as ""well you kinda shouldn't but christ will forgive you anyway"" then it is ok to murder? I mean, yeah, thats the spirit of the text, right? Right?
You cucktians are just a joke, the more you try to break back of logic to fit it into your nonsense, the funnier it gets =D",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479275110
98781310,98788842,2016-11-16 05:45:33,">>98787977
>Mass brainwashing is the main reason you even think similar to your neighbor.
I dont think simulation to my neighbour.
Russian millenials are born in late USSR or early RF and they aremostly non-religious and accept different points of view.
I used to discussion corruption and liberal ideas with a son of a government man with a glass of beer and nobody was pissed off and didnt freaking out for having a different opinion on same issues.
I can disagree with people on existence holocaust and not get attacked or branded as ""hateful"" and actually got ""well maybe, who knows? The history is written by the winners after all"" out of them.
Atheists are the most intellectually free people. Theres no unacceptable ideas and thought crimes in secular society",,Anonymous,1468228842028.jpg,xWKmS1lqW6v2hHs0fWPWeA==,RU,,1479275133
98781310,98788918,2016-11-16 05:46:32,">>98782057
This is what theists always say because they think the foundation of morality is based on belief when the truth is it's based on well-being (broadly speaking). The golden rule is good because it has demonstrated itself to be useful and true as a guide to how we treat others and want to be treated by them.",,Anonymous,fgsfds.jpg,jMfxf/WgpaBbklzKkn6ncQ==,US,,1479275192
98781310,98788949,2016-11-16 05:47:01,">>98788561
stop tying in neo nazis to christianity you pike shills
he meant the pharases not all jews",,Anonymous,1473999755185.jpg,mesyiAn+cIg5ZNhu898Dag==,CA,,1479275221
98781310,98789235,2016-11-16 05:50:41,">>98788811
>So if I interpret ""thou shall not murder""
The ten commandments have been analyzed thoroughly. If you (kek) were to even attempt, I can guarantee failure. To someone like you, or the fanatics, you will only find what you are looking for. 
You want an algorithm to fulfill your goy desires: obey. Christians are not Muslims or jews, though, as much as you or the Yankees want us to be. 
>I'm not even Finn
Mitäs helvettiä sinä sitten täällä teet?",,Anonymous,Origen.jpg,wKBBF7DDdkMKhN9D3d0cZQ==,FI,,1479275441
98781310,98789428,2016-11-16 05:53:14,">>98788842
>I dont think similar* to my neighbour.
Yes you do. You have the same habits and lifestyle. If you are a neet, you live like all the neets in Russia. You don't go around like a pajeet, you don't designate some streets for your own use and you don't approach issues from wildly alien metaphysical principles, but a more shared one.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479275594
98781310,98789603,2016-11-16 05:55:35,"Whites are the biggest threat to the Jew World Order, so white nations are currently being destroyed.",,Anonymous,the-non-jews.gif,t3dp4bimcSBAotvIFM4kcg==,US,,1479275735
98781310,98789650,2016-11-16 05:56:21,">>98789235
hey stupid faggot
atheism is the coolest
u believe in stupid gey shiz
i want u to lick my butthole assblasted faggot",,Anonymous,1479005613260.png,ykpvZboK2Q50MuLDIMeu8w==,US,,1479275781
98781310,98789801,2016-11-16 05:58:29,">>98784858
Yeah, the conversation usually goes:
>what church you go to
>I don't, I'm an atheist
>Holy shit, you atheists never stop talking about yourselves
and so on",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479275909
98781310,98789936,2016-11-16 06:00:04,">>98789235
Thats my point exactly - everyone can find there what he is looking for. Therefore it has zero value as a law.
If the book has zero value what value has god or all the mystical mumbo-jumbo surrounding it? 
Or do you really believe that the cookie becomes a real 100% body of god? I highly doubt that.
And as you see, it is all failing peace by peace, it is not a law, it is open to interpretation, it is not a body of god, it is just a theater for sheep. The christianity is not a truth, it is a lie.
Thats all.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479276004
98781310,98790012,2016-11-16 06:01:04,">>98789936
*piece by piece...",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479276064
98781310,98790343,2016-11-16 06:05:39,">>98789936
>Thats my point exactly
No. No it isn't. 
>everyone can find there what he is looking for. 
False. I clearly stated the groups that do, though. 
There is also a large category of people who find what they need to find. 
>Lukee kuin piru Raamattua
There's a Finnish proverb. 
Context is key. Agendas and egos need to be discarded. 
You want to understand Christianity? Read the Book of Wisdom, the Gospel of John, book of Job.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479276339
98781310,98790817,2016-11-16 06:11:34,">>98790343
I understand christianity pretty well. It is a lie meant to control people. You on the other hand, seems to have difficulties with logic so I would like to recommend you Logic For Dummies by Mark Zegarelli. That might help you to understad that jesus actually didn't walked on the water... and more of the lies in your ""holy"" book.",,Anonymous,this is what cucktians actually believe in.jpg,1FFMTu11wp8l4jRZmGXQBw==,FI,,1479276694
98781310,98791035,2016-11-16 06:14:15,Did anyone actualy convert because of these threads on /pol/ ?,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1479276855
98781310,98791067,2016-11-16 06:14:35,">>98783375
>hurr morality doesnt exist
No. One of the problems atheists have is the unbelievers' assertion that it is possible to determine what is right and what is wrong without God. They have a fundamental inability to concede that to be effectively absolute a moral code needs to be beyond human power to alter.
On this misunderstanding is a supposed conundrum about whether there is any good deed that could be done only by a religious person, and not done by a Godless one. Like all such questions, this contains another question: what is good, and who is to decide what is good?
Left to himself, Man can in a matter of minutes justify the incineration of populated cities; the deportation, slaughter, disease and starvation of inconvenient people and the mass murder of the unborn.
I have heard people who believe themselves to be good, defend all these things, and convince themselves as well as others. Quite often the same people will condemn similar actions by different countries, often with great vigour.
For a moral code to be effective, it must be attributed to, and vested in, a non-human source. It must be beyond the power of humanity to change it to suit itself.
Its most powerful expression is summed up in the words 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'.
The huge differences which can be observed between Christian societies and all others, even in the twilit afterglow of Christianity, originate in this specific injunction.
Then again I'm sure you know this, and are just trolling for attention on a Christian board.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1479276875
98781310,98791429,2016-11-16 06:18:35,">>98790817
You actualy misunderstood christianity ,it has nothing to do with control , its the people using christianity for control , like people use everything on this world to control",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1479277115
98781310,98791526,2016-11-16 06:19:58,">>98781310
>herp derrp Said the Atheist ""I can't prove god doesn't exist there fore I will believe he does not exist airn't I smart and so very pervertedly intelligent 
Atheist is a phase.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1479277198
98781310,98791614,2016-11-16 06:21:22,">>98791067
Read this.
>>98788842
There are shitloads of gods and they all have cpletely different morality.
How do you know what's moral and what not?
What if you pray the wrong god?
What if Allah or Yahveh is the real god?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479277282
98781310,98791716,2016-11-16 06:22:46,">>98790817
>It is a lie meant to control people.
Sweden is full of atheists, and they are all brainwashed tools. Now, your problem is reductionism. 
>Religion is only thought policing
Alright, you see the political purpose of Religion, or at the very least, one aspect of it. There are more, though, so many more that a lifetime would not be enough to get a hold of the big picture. That is why reductionism is a thing. It overly simplifies the world to useful groups and categories. But that's all that it is. Dehumanizing others won't make them non-humans, for example. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c
>that image
Straw man. Resulting from misconception of God. You wanted to see God as a foolish imaginary being, and that's what you found. Why? You asked, you wanted, you believed.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479277366
98781310,98791719,2016-11-16 06:22:48,">>98791067
Whoops shit referred to the wrong post.
Read this >>98786758",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479277368
98781310,98791797,2016-11-16 06:23:56,">>98784858
I don't think I've had to say out loud I'm atheist... ever? 
If there's something God-Tire about this autismland, it's that people can shut the fug up :D about their retarded ass beliefs. No I don't get triggered by anyone believing, it's just pleasant nobody is shoving down anything.
Complaining about atheism is probably one of the saddest things of this place. Big deal boohoo. Brotip: you will never convince an atheist over the existance of your specific God or the ''absolute right moral way'' to honour that God. It's like a SJW explaining why there is in fact million genders. She can write a thousand page book about her arguments over why her reality is true reality, but a rational mind will never start thinking a million genders actually exist.",,Anonymous,1472826779642.jpg,gyTMfWr5Bv9ZS22/ymWvtQ==,FI,,1479277436
98781310,98791844,2016-11-16 06:24:37,">>98786758
>Your morality is entirely different from mudslimes
Not true. It differs, certainly, but not all that much.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479277477
98781310,98791974,2016-11-16 06:26:24,">>98791797
>their retarded ass beliefs
Picture the scientific world view two thousand years from now, if everything continues to develop as it does (it won't, but picture it as it would). 
You see, all superiority is simply less lag, all inferiority is more so. Even niggers now surpass niggers of before, and niggers of future will do the same to those of today, and to the whites of yesterday. 
Life goes on.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479277584
98781310,98792012,2016-11-16 06:26:52,">>98781310
If you live in Russia, but not atheist+technoprogressivist, you are just middle asian scum.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479277612
98781310,98792176,2016-11-16 06:28:55,">>98791844
So is killing the infidel and fags moral or immoral again? Should you kill everyone who abandoned religion? Moral or immoral?
How do even know what's moral and what not?
According to Islam not killing everybody else who disagree with you is very immoral. Are you immoral for not killing everyone?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479277735
98781310,98792317,2016-11-16 06:30:32,">>98781310
Because saying your atheist implies we as tiny humans have any fucking clue about what doesn't exist at the highest level of our universe. Much the same as how religionfags think we as humans have any fucking clue about what does exist at the highest level of our universe.
atheism is as arrogant as religion",,Anonymous,Cosmos-2.jpg,ThhGsxSPcP+/80+M5tM1MQ==,AU,,1479277832
98781310,98792406,2016-11-16 06:31:45,">>98782057
>They can only derive moral code from superstituous entity and not from logical sense
If you are only moral because book says you should be or you are afraid of hell then should a moment arise when youll doubt the book/hell youll be moralless
A person who derives his morals from logical sense will stay moral as long as he is sane",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479277905
98781310,98792515,2016-11-16 06:33:25,">>98792176
Killing in the name of god is always good in the muslims point of vieuw, he is fucked offcourse if that god does not exist",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1479278005
98781310,98792595,2016-11-16 06:34:26,">>98792176
>So is killing the infidel and fags moral or immoral again?
There is morality in both, but it is more important to not have double standards. If you have yourself broken the rules regarding sexual morality, you have no right to sentence others. If you still do it, expect to receive harsher punishment yourself. Now, if you are pure, feel free to purge degeneracy by law. However, do keep in mind that one can 'always' correct their ways, so you may want to do as Vlad of Tepes, and let all the criminals go and purge the ones who do crime after receiving mercy.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479278066
98781310,98792655,2016-11-16 06:35:15,">>98791797
>I don't think I've had to say out loud I'm atheist... ever?
Then you're not an atheist, you're just a common heretic.
I don't follow any religion, and don't give two fucks if a God exists or not.
But atheists, like vegans and potheads, just never seem to shut the fuck up about what they believe to be their extra super special trait.
I'd rather spend a week locked in a room with a fucking Jehovah's Witness than an atheist, because eventually the religious nutjob would talk about something other than his religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479278115
98781310,98792682,2016-11-16 06:35:37,">>9879qI have no fucking idea about higher powers of the universe however I'm certain its not skydaddy who is catching you from a cloud and is upset when you masturbate.
It just makes no sense.
Besides the book says Earth is the center of universe and the sun is orbiting the earth. We know its false as We know the great flood never happened.
And we also know the earth is not 6000 years old.
Why would you think anything in that book is true? So far it looks like its all false.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479278137
98781310,98792727,2016-11-16 06:36:14,">>98792317
>atheism is as arrogant as religion
Atheism is perhaps the most arrogant religion. Islam may act like a pathological serial killer, but at least they do it with humility in regards to something other than themselves. Aside from ISIS, at least.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1479278174
98781310,98793196,2016-11-16 06:42:44,">>98792727
This will probably be an unpopular opinion on this board but i disagree with Islam being a pathological serial killer.
Islam in Indonesian and Asian countries looks fine to me until a Muslim within those areas gets turned by extremist propaganda which is pretty fucking rare. This propaganda and the idea to kill infidels isn't so much an Islamic thing, it's more so a middle eastern thing, and my best guess is because the middle east has been surrounded by war since for fucking ever. 
I reckon anyone has the potential to remorselessly kill when they are growing up around murder daily. The biggest problem is the west thinking they can swoop in and fix it. Should just leave troubled regions alone to sort out their own shit imo",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1479278564
98781310,98793284,2016-11-16 06:44:01,">>98791067
Lol!
Morality is fake.
All morality of religicucks is scar of internal pancake.
After that, i must attend you this fact: 
1) http://www.descopera.org/religia-paranoia-si-psihoza/
2) http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/why-atheists-make-85-percent-americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prison
Where is you nothing now?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1479278641
98781310,98794097,2016-11-16 06:54:17,">>98781310
Cuz you're a bunch of tranny's and faggots. You get tea-bagged by Tyrone.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479279257
98781310,98795073,2016-11-16 07:06:17,">>98793284
>Morality is fake.
No.
If all men abandoned their friends and family at the first hint of trouble, or smashed in their skulls with rocks for a few dollars, we'd still be living in the Planet of the Niggers.
Morality, like belief, is an evolutionary trait.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1479279977
98781310,98797545,2016-11-16 07:35:18,"You're a fucking subhuman if you have to follow a book to have morals
But it's the truth, if someone has to explain to you that you mustn't rape children, you mustn't be an aggressive autistic faggot with no reason, you mustn't betray your allies for a bit more wealth, that you must be loyal to your own kind when repaid, that means you have a severe mental illness
IF your argument is that you want to believe that there's a good and much greater force than any evil out there somewhere, that watches over you so you can sleep better at night and have hope in the most desperate situation, that is acceptable. But a book to tell you not to fuck your mother? Just neck yourselves.",,Anonymous,,,RO,,1479281718
102380134,102380134,2016-12-10 19:07:39,"Discuss, ask questions, and seek truth. Topics include all thing related to secular living and politics.
*** FAQ - PLEASE READ ***
>Can you be both agnostic and atheist?
Yes. An agnostic is someone who claims they don't know (""weak agnosticism"") or it is not possible to know (""strong agnosticism"") for certain whether or not gods exist. The term agnosticism comes from Greek: a (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Anyone who does not hold a belief in one or more gods is an atheist. Someone who holds an active belief in the nonexistence of particular gods is specifically known as a ""strong"" or ""explicit"" atheist, as opposed to ""weak"" or ""implicit"" atheists who make no claims either way.
>Are you all nihilists/moral relativists/hedonists?
No. As long as a philosophy isn't dependent on a god, an atheist can adopt it. For more information, check these out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_morality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics
http://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP
>Why do you have threads? Why have a thread about something you don't believe in?
If you're curious, you can search for 'atheism general' in the archives to see some of the things we discuss. There is significant discussion about skepticism, secularism, philosophy, empiricism, and other topics related to, but not synonymous with, atheism. There is also discussion about how various religions, or the concept of religion in general, are harmful, silly, abusive, or absurd.
Pastebin links will be in the following post.",Atheism General,Anonymous,1442816359232.jpg,tqv6MGXsS9ef6I+0ni6/7Q==,US,,1481396859
102380134,102380173,2016-12-10 19:08:02,">7 Reasons to be an Atheist
http://pastebin.com/n9JMvCFS
>Recommended Books
http://pastebin.com/8d8JZHDa
>The Religious Landscape
http://pastebin.com/xadu2Zr2
>Secular Spirituality
http://pastebin.com/J4nwc5Yp
>How Did We Get Here?
http://pastebin.com/H49qPTdx
>Responses to Common Arguments
http://pastebin.com/r407sbC0
http://pastebin.com/Q8wbhXpZ
http://pastebin.com/BfJrGE3x
>Fedora-chan and Other Atheism-Related Images
http://outerlimit.imgur.com/
Contributions to the pastebin and feedback are always welcomed and appreciated!",,Anonymous,1437247843025.jpg,wnGjlBeC5DcE/U/hLUVWjw==,US,,1481396882
102380134,102380324,2016-12-10 19:09:23,"'silly'
nu-male thread detected.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481396963
102380134,102380641,2016-12-10 19:12:09,">>102380324
Fuck off, Muhammad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481397129
102380134,102381191,2016-12-10 19:16:57,,,Anonymous,1480134387886.png,ZgafW3viEPz+YGrkajsffw==,US,,1481397417
102380134,102383538,2016-12-10 19:37:53,Bump,,Anonymous,,,US,,1481398673
102380134,102384252,2016-12-10 19:44:05,"The inherent problem with pushing atheism to the masses is that it removes the easily-digestible morality that Christianity provided. While it was flawed, it helped keep the majority of people who are uninterested in philosophy away from degeneracy. So there was a moral vacuum, in which (((they))) were allowed to step in and promote degeneracy and multiculturalism. Marxism has become the new religion.
I worry that a society of actual skeptics will never be possible, for the sole reason that most people are so oblivious that they will just do what someone else tells them too.
That's not to say Christians are inherently stupid, just that stupid people will just as easily follow Christianity without question as they will Marxism. I don't mind living in a Christian society, at least it is more sane then the world we have now.
But I doubt Christianity will go mainstream again, just like Paganism never did. We need to create our own form of pseudo-religion to fight Marxism and Zionism. Although I will admit, we are unexpectedly moving towards something like that, with the emergence of the ""altright"". Though I hate to use that term, it is clear we are seeing a rise in right-wing rhetoric different from the conservatism of past generations.",,Anonymous,1478479186974.jpg,oGrploPNpd34WPoGiq5pag==,US,,1481399045
102380134,102386395,2016-12-10 20:04:01,">>102384252
>We need to create our own form of pseudo-religion to fight Marxism and Zionism
Kek?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481400241
103221009,103221009,2016-12-16 20:26:00,">tfw you have critical thinking
>tfw we are the enlightened ones
""I know that I know not, and I know that you know not""",Atheism General,Anonymous,dawkins.png,bDTK+fyOXSTpLN+Vf3GXhQ==,GB,,1481919960
103221009,103221207,2016-12-16 20:28:20,"/pol/ atheist meetup when?
I went to a reddit one and it was great, but the unenlightened fools were too hesitant to criticise the jews.
I want to be around more free thinkers",,All posts by this IP are satire/ironic,,,AU,,1481920100
103221009,103221329,2016-12-16 20:29:32,"> that shirt
I like dawkins, but this white guilt bullshit is annoying. Who cares if our ancient ancestors might have come from there? Who fucking cares? I'm not a nigger.",,Anonymous,1448593858063.gif,NESC3UFkuYED7JocpBj6yg==,DE,,1481920172
103221009,103221426,2016-12-16 20:30:45,"Read this as Autism General, I'll be leaving.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481920245
103221009,103221448,2016-12-16 20:30:57,">>103221329
>I'm not a nigger.
/pol/tards are the niggers of 4chan.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1481920257
103221009,103221519,2016-12-16 20:31:36,"""critical thinking"" is my favorite atheist buzzphrase after ""empirical evidence"" and ""sky daddy""
just goes to show how much they rely on social manipulation to make up for lack of spirituality and intellect",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481920296
103221009,103221564,2016-12-16 20:32:02,">>103221009
That quote is agnostic you stupid retard",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1481920322
103221009,103221736,2016-12-16 20:33:50,">>103221207
I would come but i dont have my fedorah or my replica samurai sword E|8)|-< --/-----",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481920430
103221009,103221798,2016-12-16 20:34:32,If you call yourself a 'free thinker' you're probably an autist that spends all night watching 'How To Debate Christians' videos and then applies them to Omegle,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1481920472
103221009,103221999,2016-12-16 20:36:33,">>103221519
>hurr durr i dont like these things in quotes
empirical evidence for a skydaddy? there is none friendo, so please step to the back of the que. this is not your place.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481920593
103221009,103222358,2016-12-16 20:40:23,">>103221519
Stupid xtian detected.
Go warship your invisible sky wizard, pleb.",,All posts by this IP are satire/ironic,,,AU,,1481920823
103221009,103222369,2016-12-16 20:40:26,">>103221798
I literally have no time for debates. Its like telling people how to tie their shoelaces. disgusting.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481920826
103221009,103222607,2016-12-16 20:43:23,">>103221009
>enlightened
>absolute statements about the universe
Sad!",,Anonymous,Sha_Ka_Ree_God_and_Sybok.jpg,+QKfaVGmzcQCo0dYeOokcQ==,US,,1481921003
103221009,103222717,2016-12-16 20:44:19,">>103221564
atheism is agnostisism about the creator of the (potentially existing) multiverse.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481921059
103221009,103222917,2016-12-16 20:46:23,">falling for the dawkins meme
also
>tfw millenials are too old to member the matrix
>tfw they dont know where ""redpill"" meme comes from
>tfw neo was literally jesus and dated trinity",,Anonymous,,,PT,,1481921183
103221009,103223049,2016-12-16 20:47:40,>reminder that even african pagan mythology is better than atheist's,,Anonymous,,,PT,,1481921260
103221009,103223288,2016-12-16 20:49:34,">>103222717
Atheism is your current stance, agnostism and gnostism are how sure you are. See the dawkins scale",,Zamasu,,,US,,1481921374
103221009,103223295,2016-12-16 20:49:37,">>103222607
LISTEN BUDDY JUST FACE IT.
ALL OF THE HUMDRUM WRITTEN IN THE LAST 5000 YEARS IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION EVENT OF THE UNIVERSE.
PEOPLE HAVE DONE THE EXPERIMENTS AND MADE DATA AND HAVE A STORY WHICH EXPLAINS THE OBSERVATIONS. THIS IS USEFUL. THIS IS SCIENCE.
RELIGION IS ORGANISED LYING FOR SOCIAL COHESION.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE!",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481921377
103221009,103223464,2016-12-16 20:51:07,">>103223049
Reminder that pagan religions are far more valid than xtianity because it was around longer.
Xtianity was basically scientology 2000 years ago.",,All posts by this IP are satire/ironic,,,AU,,1481921467
103221009,103223818,2016-12-16 20:54:28,ITT: Triggered theists kek,,Anonymous,,,US,,1481921668
103221009,103224695,2016-12-16 21:02:20,"The ""Void"" of a lack of a creator is a complete meme. I set my ambitions in a creative realm of my own understanding. I feel no sadness to know i have no eternal soul.",,Anonymous,we are not terrorist sorry.png,CdQmutCZR93TSPbsConYZw==,GB,,1481922140
103221009,103225121,2016-12-16 21:05:50,">>103221009
>>103223295
Man cannot survive on logic alone. For the volk to survive it must have something greater than itself to bind itself to morals and laws, be it real or invented. 
Your desire for a secular world is a self-defeating project.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481922350
103221009,103225529,2016-12-16 21:09:10,">>103221009
>I know that you know not
You can't know that for sure though.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1481922550
103221009,103226120,2016-12-16 21:13:27,">>103225121
I don't want a secular world, I want an enlightened world. One where people can speak honestly and rationality, and false things can be regarded false.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481922807
103221009,103226656,2016-12-16 21:17:42,">>103225529
yes but you can exhaust any person who says otherwise. using induction it is proven that i can know that you do not know.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481923062
103221009,103227915,2016-12-16 21:28:37,secularism is just multiplying retard by retard,,Anonymous,tolerant man of best faith number 1.png,5+aXoT+HbA3gzO8gvi7PeA==,GB,,1481923717
103221009,103227919,2016-12-16 21:28:39,">>103226656
Inductive conclusion is a probability based on presented evidence, not absolute knowledge. So you still don't know that I don't know, and never will.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1481923719
103221009,103228356,2016-12-16 21:32:25,">>103227919
But then you don't know that I dont know better.
But I do, clearly.",,Anonymous,sanic.jpg,ndAJIQ5x4er1vycAv8/XKQ==,GB,,1481923945
103221009,103228534,2016-12-16 21:33:52,">>103227919
>0.99999999999999999999999999999999999.... =/=1, the post.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481924032
103221009,103228561,2016-12-16 21:34:08,">>103228356
Right, we both can't know if either of us knows better than the other. All we have is faith that we do.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1481924048
103221009,103228695,2016-12-16 21:35:16,">>103221009
How do we stop the religionfags from outbreeding atheists?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481924116
103221009,103228949,2016-12-16 21:37:25,">>103228695
Sterilization for all adults who have imaginary friends",,All posts by this IP are satire/ironic,,,AU,,1481924245
103221009,103228988,2016-12-16 21:37:44,">>103228561
no it just means that the operation is the same for all pairs of people and reaches the same conclusions from any reference person.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481924264
103221009,103228998,2016-12-16 21:37:48,">>103221329
The first humans did originate from Africa though, white people went up north and mutated due to climate.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481924268
103221009,103229146,2016-12-16 21:39:00,">>103221009
AYO HOL UP
YOU TRYNA SAY WE WUZ
NIGGAZ AND SHIET?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481924340
103221009,103229602,2016-12-16 21:43:08,">>103221009
All we know for certain, is there is a lot left to learn.
Does it not stand to reason that those with the technology to see it should find it first?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1481924588
103221009,103229876,2016-12-16 21:45:18,">>103228695
Logical positivism. Give the objective reasons for youthful female pregnancy. Women aren't complete idiots; just heavily misled, and very cock hungry.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481924718
103221009,103230889,2016-12-16 21:53:03,">>103229602
No. There is basically nothing left to understand.
We have observed nearly all phenomena, and can not do any experiments beyond the scales we have measured. We know we are a dense wave/atoma packet which acts in a mathematically specific way, in a Universe of stars and Galaxies of the same material.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1481925183
104229517,104229517,2016-12-24 00:12:56,You don't actually worship a kike on the stick anon or do you?,Atheism General - Fuck Christmas - Fuck Christianity,Anonymous,1482497050387.jpg,T3QvOraVHom461+vttpLKw==,DE,,1482538376
104229517,104229633,2016-12-24 00:14:11,">>104229517
How do you feel about muslims? Do you prefer them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1482538451
104229517,104229836,2016-12-24 00:16:21,"I do not literally believe in God/Jesus. However I appreciate the scientific and artistic advances that came from Christianity and also realize how it has shaped our geography. Additionally, it's difficult to disagree with most aspects of Christian ethics. Have a Merry Christmas, christfags",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1482538581
104229517,104230048,2016-12-24 00:18:23,">>104229836
Merry Christmas, hethen!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1482538703
104229517,104230238,2016-12-24 00:20:41,">>104229633
Christians these days often don't commit mass murderings in the name of their religion, so I'd say no.
Most Christians in the western world are white, so that's a plus. And by comparison to Islam Christians seem much more compatible with western civilization as a whole.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1482538841
107275028,107275028,2017-01-15 17:43:34,"So atheists of /pol, what do we do about these obnoxious Christfags? They are dragging the IQ of our board down by at least 15 points. 
I have never lost an argument about religion to a Christian on this board. They are that incompetent.
Thoughts?",Atheism General - No Christian Edition,Anonymous,IMG_1405.png,qEB8M6oZVTK/Mot8bFb9+w==,US,,1484502214
107275028,107275126,2017-01-15 17:44:20,*tips*,,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502260
107275028,107275274,2017-01-15 17:45:38,">>107275028
Maybe you shouldn't be an autistic fag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502338
107275028,107275420,2017-01-15 17:46:45,">>107275126
>Hat meme 
See you retards can't even make up good memes
>>107275274
Sick comeback bro. You showed me.
I see the Christcucks are sending out their best and brightest",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502405
107275028,107275460,2017-01-15 17:47:04,">>107275028
>tfw unironicly believe in kek so if it turns into a major religion i can claim to be one of the first kek followers
get on my level neckbeard",,Anonymous,1 (3).png,BNY7KsISUvhvV2GQlNX40w==,GB,,1484502424
107275028,107275480,2017-01-15 17:47:11,">>107275028
As an atheist, I don't believe in Christianity but I can tolerate those who do. At least they don't try and cut my head off, right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502431
107275028,107275605,2017-01-15 17:48:10,>>107275028,,Anonymous,1387697401021.jpg,TLFkIcVhnfbxsLZX3cPU5w==,FI,,1484502490
107275028,107275792,2017-01-15 17:49:43,">>107275480
I'm just looking to purge them off of this board. The less retards, the better",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502583
107275028,107275841,2017-01-15 17:50:07,,,Anonymous,1431602945185.gif,4oQq1CAfzYTpkDnHLXPttg==,CZ,,1484502607
107275028,107275941,2017-01-15 17:50:50,">>107275028
you could start by not being an obnoxious faggot
t. atheist",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1484502650
107275028,107276090,2017-01-15 17:52:00,">>107275941
Fuck off Germ.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502720
107275028,107276447,2017-01-15 17:54:31,">>107275028
why is that atheist on his property? poor old man trying to get that dirty vagrant to leave and has nothing to defend his land but a cross",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484502871
107275028,107276845,2017-01-15 17:57:22,,,Anonymous,M&#039;lady.png,yyLSIBlaTjGgFuVh5UVXuw==,PL,,1484503042
107275028,107277007,2017-01-15 17:58:40,>>107275028,,Anonymous,1480976877246.jpg,pziM/iPAexu9RA1ztwMZEg==,CA,,1484503120
107275028,107277859,2017-01-15 18:04:49,">>107275028
>implying religion correlates with IQ",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484503489
107275028,107278139,2017-01-15 18:06:48,">>107275841
lol fuck you lol",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484503608
107275028,107278177,2017-01-15 18:07:05,">>107276090
You're just a wonderful person all around aren't you?",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1484503625
107275028,107278785,2017-01-15 18:11:32,">>107275028
Atheism got the west into it's current mess. You drop Christianity then can't even be bothered to create an actual moral framework to live by so you just go alone with whatever sounds good. You can have personal morals with atheism, but you can't have cultural morals, which is why every western country is falling apart as they move towards atheism. Every atheist has their own idea of what is morally just and our countries are tearing themselves apart at the seams as these faggots polarize our countries 50/50",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1484503892
107275028,107279078,2017-01-15 18:13:47,">>107275941
This",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1484504027
107275028,107279412,2017-01-15 18:16:10,">>107275028
Fuck off with your general you damn imbecile.
You're the reason why /int/ is such a shitshow. Go to reddit if you want your pure ,on topic discussion where you can trip and circlewank each other.
Fucking hell",,Anonymous,1484140341498.gif,JSmmSAJq8DktRNRMCfGzoQ==,FR,,1484504170
107275028,107279495,2017-01-15 18:16:38,">>107278785
Pretty much, we shouldn't take the Bible literally all the time though, *the world was created in 7 days*",,Opinion of Sabaton.,,,US,,1484504198
107275028,107279964,2017-01-15 18:20:21,">>107278785
You're an idiot.
Most of the west is still christian.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484504421
107275028,107280752,2017-01-15 18:26:26,>>107275028,,Anonymous,image.gif,PI0EsTdnzy251t6+upGDug==,US,,1484504786
107275028,107281219,2017-01-15 18:30:20,">>107275028
lol nice comic. Atheism is rapidly collapsing in numbers now that Marxism is dead. Enjoy extinction, it's what you deserve.
Filtered, hidden.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484505020
107275028,107281627,2017-01-15 18:33:49,">>107278785
Damn, interesting take on societys morals.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1484505229
107275028,107281858,2017-01-15 18:35:53,">>107275028
>tfw too intelligent to be an atheist",,Anonymous,1482873496299s.jpg,Bk0W5Y5cVsc8EigQhJbstg==,CA,,1484505353
107275028,107283402,2017-01-15 18:48:50,,,Anonymous,RBEnS6k.jpg,xWVtqEzTvKwbBM0rGuXIZQ==,NZ,,1484506130
111825884,111825884,2017-02-09 07:09:03,">he lives in a first world coutry
>he has access to education
>he unironically believes the earth is 6000 years old
>he believes the creator of the whole universe cares whom I have sex with
how can the majority of earth's population be so unironically moronic?",ATHEISM GENERAL,Anonymous,1474216188524.png,LvYBqemEOadTHcT2tX7bDw==,CH,,1486624143
113879371,113879371,2017-02-22 20:21:19,"There is no proof that Odin, Perun, the Christian God, Muhammed or any other supposed """"god"""" exists, you know that right?",/ag/ - Atheism General,Anonymous,hYmapBGdaR3u4aA96EB7erlP1M7E7mLDFssOc8zyAWEZuuGJtGlCf7ByvWidDBgx.jpg,CIYjQ9PsQjZEp+OfBMiT4w==,FI,,1487794879
113879371,113879532,2017-02-22 20:22:36,I wouldn't lose sleep at night if all atheists dropped dead randomly right now.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1487794956
113879371,113879686,2017-02-22 20:23:50,">>113879371
HOW DARE YOU OPPOSE KEK! STONE OP! STONE HIM!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1487795030
113879371,113879793,2017-02-22 20:24:32,">>113879371
soviet union",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1487795072
113879371,113880308,2017-02-22 20:28:30,">>113879532
>""""religious morality""""
>>113879686
KEK doesn't exist, sorry. 
>>113879793
Nazi Germany",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1487795310
113879371,113880598,2017-02-22 20:30:41,">>113880308
maoist china",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1487795441
126181400,126181400,2017-05-19 12:30:03,"Let's spread the true redpill: God does NOT exist.
Links:
>Report Christians violating your rights at:
https://ffrf.org/legal/report
>Support and defend your rights at:
https://www.atheists.org/
>Learn about atheism at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
Add more links in the thread. Let's organize and influence the state for the betterment of mankind. People from all over the world welcome to post with the exception of:
>oppressors (christians, muslims, jews, etc.)
>trolls and closed minded people
>agnostics who still think the fairy tales may be real",/ag/ ATHEISM GENERAL,Anonymous,23f680fec563f1b6b6c348bb03567106_full.jpg,Y5GT255M0KnFalNRrsqxgw==,US,,1495197003
126181400,126181630,2017-05-19 12:32:12,,,Anonymous,atheists.jpg,eed/5i28Y87a0EMz4Cjw6w==,US,,1495197132
126181400,126181832,2017-05-19 12:34:03,">>126181630
Our founding fathers are said to be atheists too",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495197243
126181400,126181876,2017-05-19 12:34:26,">>126181400
>hurr atheism isn't a religion, it's the just the lack of belief!
>builds atheist monuments 
>builds atheist churches 
>now starting atheist generals 
Your religions is for fags and trannies.",,Anonymous,1480060476686.jpg,4fSKiE7tpud/BiIc5bkRBw==,CA,,1495197266
126181400,126182086,2017-05-19 12:36:41,">>126181400
Begone Fedoraman",,Anonymous,61c6a2122ed9e3577f55a7f8588e382b.jpg,KxVUcOb7KPm3Y8NZ4dlngg==,NO,,1495197401
126181400,126182160,2017-05-19 12:37:20,">>126181876
So? That doesn't make it religion.
It's as dumb as saying ""hurr durr antifa is violent. Therefore dey are de fascists :-)"".",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495197440
126181400,126182280,2017-05-19 12:38:24,">cites primary source for ""learning"" as Wikipedia
The memes write themselves",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495197504
126181400,126182323,2017-05-19 12:38:54,">>126182160
>having a church doesn't make it a religion",,Anonymous,1493343869545.png,vBdZAXuOe3XK8kb162VSeg==,CA,,1495197534
126181400,126182507,2017-05-19 12:40:31,">>126182323
>church
>a building for public Christian worship.
Literally by definition, you cannot have an ""atheist church"".",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495197631
126181400,126182828,2017-05-19 12:43:31,">>126182507
https://firstchurchofatheism.com/
>inb4 not real atheism 
>inb4 they're just heretics and your atheism is the one true atheism",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495197811
126181400,126183344,2017-05-19 12:48:29,">>126182828
Ah dang, someone called something ""first church of atheism"". Guess that voids the popular definition of church and/or religion.
Does that mean, that if I make an organisation and call it ""First christian mosque"" that mosques are now places for practicing Christianity? Or that people who are Christians go to mosques?",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495198109
126181400,126183364,2017-05-19 12:48:40,">>126181400
Another fucking Reddit loser. I'm sick of you cucks.
You are an enemy of the constitution and the first amendment. If you hate Christians so much, then why don't you get your worthless ass out of the United States???
Atheists aren't people who doesn't believe in religion, they are people who hate Christians. Evidence of this is that you never see a atheist ever approach a Muslim, Satanist, or anyone of any other religion.
It's why no one likes atheists. They are in the same genre as SJWs and Feminists.",,Anonymous,95581081.jpg,2CuyZESYKtTR53IKQiR5uQ==,US,,1495198120
126181400,126183726,2017-05-19 12:52:06,">>126183364
>they are people who hate Christians.
Judging from the hostility in this thread, I'd say the opposite is the case.
>Evidence of this is that you never see a atheist ever approach a Muslim, Satanist, or anyone of any other religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_critics_of_Islam#Western_irreligionists",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495198326
126181400,126183766,2017-05-19 12:52:21,">>126183344
It means your religion is cringy and gay and that your own claims of it are inconsistent. Go to tumblr if you want to complain about your ""oppressors"" and those false idol atheists",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495198341
126181400,126184016,2017-05-19 12:54:55,">>126183766
Lol. I'm amazed at the amount of strawmen you are able to fit into two sentences. Well done :^)",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495198495
126181400,126184207,2017-05-19 12:56:38,">>126184016
I'm amazed at the fact you don't know what a strawman is. That's like the simplest fallacy to recognize. Good luck on your journey of learning anon",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495198598
126181400,126184373,2017-05-19 12:58:05,">>126183364
The fuck are you talking about, atheists hate Muslims probably more than Christians, retard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495198685
126181400,126184484,2017-05-19 12:59:15,">>126184207
>Instead of addressing his argument, I'll just call him gay and tell him to go away.
But yeah, you're probably right. A strawman is a poor argument. You're post had nothing coming close to an argument.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495198755
126181400,126184579,2017-05-19 13:00:00,atheism = sjws = sweden the higest % of atheists live there and they are all weak betas it goes hand in hand atheism = welcome islam,,niggers suck dick,screenshot-justporno.tv 2017-03-17 14-01-43.png,LRXHSi+ynMkXzgOjBODkEQ==,IL,,1495198800
126181400,126184618,2017-05-19 13:00:23,Fuck,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495198823
126181400,126184705,2017-05-19 13:01:07,this,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495198867
126181400,126184752,2017-05-19 13:01:35,shit,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495198895
126181400,126184807,2017-05-19 13:02:00,">>126181832
bwhahahahaha
kill yourself",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495198920
126181400,126184846,2017-05-19 13:02:20,">took almost 2000 years after its founding for things to really really be fucked up
>CHRISTIANITY IS TRYING TO DESTROY THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495198940
126181400,126184899,2017-05-19 13:02:49,Atheism is nu-culture degeneracy. It's the ultimate middle finger to your ancestors. Gas all Atheist degenerates.,,Anonymous,1476444950163.png,w8g1JIBF/7wth8yP8Ncr9A==,US,,1495198969
126181400,126184994,2017-05-19 13:03:36,">>126184846
Yes. Religion was all flowers and fairy-dust up until yesteryear.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199016
126181400,126185047,2017-05-19 13:04:03,">>126181400
By the very nature of a deity, you CANNOT say God exist or God does not exist. 
ITS A BELIEF",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199043
126181400,126185084,2017-05-19 13:04:21,">>126184899
My ancestors probably wiped their ass with their hands, does that mean I should do that as well?",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199061
126181400,126185182,2017-05-19 13:05:10,">>126184899
m-muh god, fuck off retard.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495199110
126181400,126185306,2017-05-19 13:06:11,Saged again for sheer faggotry.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199171
126181400,126185358,2017-05-19 13:06:41,"Atheist here. Please leave Christbros alone, they aren't hurting anybody.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199201
126181400,126185391,2017-05-19 13:06:55,">>126185306
wew.
making a difference",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199215
126181400,126185399,2017-05-19 13:06:57,So leftypol is raiding again for some reason,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199217
126181400,126185604,2017-05-19 13:08:40,">>126181400
Atheism is Christianity without logos. 
TYPICAL TRICKS SCHLOMO",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199320
126181400,126185722,2017-05-19 13:09:44,">>126181400
holy shit, i've seen communism generals but this... this... this is truly i'm 14 and what is this general",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495199384
126181400,126185736,2017-05-19 13:09:51,">>126185358
I am not your bro.",,Anonymous,1491011000840.png,M5mNZebIIA5IviGxTOcs4Q==,US,,1495199391
126181400,126185780,2017-05-19 13:10:14,"atheist, race realist, NatSoc is the true and final redpill.
No (((Gods))), No KANGZ, No bourgeois, just pure technological eugenic Aryan space travel supremacy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199414
126181400,126185806,2017-05-19 13:10:28,">>126185722
>Christfags derail thread
>wow. atheists are fucking cringy",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199428
126181400,126185838,2017-05-19 13:10:45,">>126184373
No they don't",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1495199445
126181400,126185965,2017-05-19 13:12:02,">>126185399
Maybe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199522
126181400,126186003,2017-05-19 13:12:15,">>126181400
""God"" might not exist, but kek believes in him, so...",,Anonymous,07c660fa0e460c33d6d31b4cee984e7b3a24a19b3e0c73781d5ae9d512e13288.png,/W0P808PpVotROH5NxTD9A==,IM,,1495199535
126181400,126186036,2017-05-19 13:12:30,">atheists want to destroy this 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJgDfUIoyNE",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199550
126181400,126186054,2017-05-19 13:12:38,">>126185838
What a rebuttal...
Maybe it seems that way, because there's generally more christians in countries with vocal atheists?",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199558
126181400,126186222,2017-05-19 13:13:59,">>126184579
99% of SJWs have spiritual beliefs. Those fragile cowards would never have the balls to be actual atheists. In fact, most self-proclaimed atheists have some spiritual or supernatural beliefs (in others words, not true atheists).
>>126183364
Not an argument.
>>126185047
We don't need positive evidence to prove the nonexistence of something. That burden rests on you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199639
126181400,126186321,2017-05-19 13:14:49,">>126186036
>>atheists want to destroy this 
No? I just disagree with her world-view, and in addition thinks perpetuating it is unhealthy for humanity as a whole. Much like eating shit.
In the first 2 minutes, she's implying that it's OK to be unhealthy, so long as you accept god/jesus. Please tell me how this is good.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199689
126181400,126186390,2017-05-19 13:15:30,">>126186054
The countries importing millions of muslims are not run by Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199730
126181400,126186482,2017-05-19 13:16:25,">>126186321
>unhealthy for humanity as a whole.
Why do atheists care?
We will just end up in an empty void anyway.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199785
126181400,126186537,2017-05-19 13:16:57,">>126185358
>implying the kikes didn't use christcuckery to break open the gates to the West
>yes goy open your gates to the masses of low iq shit skins 
>have a heart it's what jesus wants
>all were made equal by (((Yahweh))
>good goy pack that kosher goy farm as tight as possible",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199817
126181400,126186580,2017-05-19 13:17:15,">>126186390
I'm guessing you're speaking of european countries. Assuming that, so what?
Does that prove atheists love islam? No. If anything, it shows atheists are more capable of love towards their fellow man than Christians.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199835
126181400,126186581,2017-05-19 13:17:15,">>126186222
>We don't need positive evidence to prove the nonexistence of something.
If you want to claim its been proven to not exist then yes you do",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199835
126181400,126186621,2017-05-19 13:17:35,">>126186222
>actual atheists
If you mean ""zero belief in anything other than objective, provable reality"", those don't even exist.
Even Dawkins professes some belief in certain cryptids and psychospiritual phenomena, and he's the most insistent of them all.",,Anonymous,1479579948248.jpg,drTeKWApR+uzYxpcZslDzQ==,IM,,1495199855
126181400,126186690,2017-05-19 13:18:12,">>126186581
>proving to not exist
Murrica fuck yea",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495199892
126181400,126186723,2017-05-19 13:18:32,">>126186580
>in order to love your fellow man you need to let invaders in to rape your women",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199912
126181400,126186781,2017-05-19 13:19:04,">>126181630
>Nietzsche, an atheist",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1495199944
126181400,126186797,2017-05-19 13:19:14,">>126186690
I didnt claim that",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199954
126181400,126186838,2017-05-19 13:19:32,">>126181630
>Marx
>Good Company",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495199972
126181400,126186880,2017-05-19 13:19:58,">>126186537
>reminder that atheists measurably vote more liberal for open boarders compared to christians who vote conservative. 
>reminder atheist birthrate is SIGNIFICANTLY below replacement rate while christians is above 
Christians are literally the only ones perpetuating the white race. Atheists don't have children and consistently try to dismantle their own culture and history.",,Anonymous,1478843532509.png,Ou94gZ0IedWWavPDI2sWsQ==,CA,,1495199998
126181400,126186882,2017-05-19 13:19:59,">>126186723
Ah, the good ol' all immigrants are rapists meme.
Well argued friend.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495199999
126181400,126186908,2017-05-19 13:20:11,">>126186580
>If anything, it shows atheists are more capable of love towards their fellow man than Christians.
Then why don't the same countries accept Cchristian refugees? Not a christcuck, just that accepting Islamists but not Jesuits being killed by islamists is not ""equal love for everybody regardless of beliefs""",,Anonymous,1397777696853.jpg,rEmdjVoC4WK6wKnpBkdizg==,IM,,1495200011
126181400,126186910,2017-05-19 13:20:13,">>126186621
This is not an argument",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200013
126181400,126186925,2017-05-19 13:20:22,">christcucks promote open borders
>christcucks believe in gibs me dats for niggers
>christcucks believe in racial equality because all are equal in (((Yahweh)))'s eyes
>christcucks believe the jews must be protected because they are (((Yahweh)))'s chosen people
Oy vey sign up for missionary work to Africa today got gotta atone for being white & remember protect Israel",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200022
126181400,126187068,2017-05-19 13:21:39,">>126186797
You are arguing about something being proven to not exist
Something metaphysical at that",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200099
126181400,126187138,2017-05-19 13:22:22,">>126186908
I'm assuming they do? At least, I've never heard of countries discriminating the right for asylum based religion (wrt. european countries).",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495200142
126181400,126187140,2017-05-19 13:22:22,">>126186580
>>126186882
>atheist Dane wants to destroy his own culture and thinks refugees are good 
When memes become reality.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495200142
126181400,126187163,2017-05-19 13:22:34,">>126181400
What created the big bang then?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200154
126181400,126187177,2017-05-19 13:22:41,">>126186882
Ok but why let them in?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200161
126181400,126187208,2017-05-19 13:22:56,">>126186908
>eu does not accept christians
You are not very bright",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200176
126181400,126187308,2017-05-19 13:23:45,">>126181630
>hell exists
>filled with heretic atheists that fell for the satanic meme
>in good company
The guy who made this probably has a learning disorder. How the fuck would defying the divine will of God land me in ""good company"" if hell actually exists? Fuck atheists are stupid.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1495200225
126181400,126187310,2017-05-19 13:23:47,">>126187068
I never said It was proven not to exist
I said atheists claim that",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200227
126181400,126187338,2017-05-19 13:24:01,"Psalm 14:1 KJV
""The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.""
Those who hate God the most, the ones who spout such vile poison against Him, always turn out to be literal cultural marxists. Regardless of what they CLAIM to be.
They hate life. They hate goodness, they hate Christ, and they want to see the destruction of all that is righteous and Holy. They want the world to be in as much misery as they are. This is always the end result of atheism. Of Godlessness. 
Atheists are a major driving force for the downfall of morals and society. They are nation and society destroyers. Which is why the Jews and elites brainwash people with it.
The enemies of God & Christ are enemies of a righteous civilization.
Jews are often atheist anyway. The atheists are just soulless pawns. Which is no surprise why 99.9% of leftists are atheists. And the ones that aren't openly worship Satan.
Leftists themselves are, in fact, evil.
They are not ""misled"".
They are not ""victims to brainwashing"".
They are evil.
They have willfully given themselves over to the works of darkness.
It's not just ""liberals"".
It's not just ""communists"".
It's not just ""socialists"".
It is ALL of Leftism itself.
Never, ever give them an inch or try to compromise. They are insidious snakes and are completely soulless. They want the destruction of all goodness and righteousness in the world.
""Be sober. Be vigilant. Because your adversary, the Devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.""
1 Peter 5:8",,Anonymous,1484866054771.jpg,lkTs/BRxF57VWs5ak6E6LQ==,US,,1495200241
126181400,126187351,2017-05-19 13:24:09,">>126186925
Please see this post. Everything you posted is empirically objectively false. Christians vote majority republican in America vs majority Democrat atheists. >bonus point: atheist vote most closely resembling jews >>126186880",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495200249
126181400,126187358,2017-05-19 13:24:15,">>126187140
NOW that's a strawman.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495200255
126181400,126187426,2017-05-19 13:24:54,">>126187310
No one claims that",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200294
126181400,126187533,2017-05-19 13:25:58,">>126187177
Because it's the humane thing to do -- helping people who are being displaced by conflict.
That said, It'd be nicer if we where better at discarding economic refugees.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495200358
126181400,126187546,2017-05-19 13:26:07,">>126186222
There is no burden of proof. Theists who understand religion do not claim God exist objectively, it's just a belief. Either side claiming God objectively exists or does not exist is wrong.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200367
126181400,126187587,2017-05-19 13:26:27,">>126187208
>>126187138
>I'm assuming they do? 
Why? Less than 1% of refugees accepted by Obama, just for instance, were Christers, despite them making up 11% of the people from those countries",,Anonymous,b0b6e226009912897d4821c706053aac8936b2530713ca7e776d3caa6cf5039a.jpg,SOAdYx+DbXZXay2yggq/ig==,IM,,1495200387
126181400,126187636,2017-05-19 13:26:58,">>126187338
So the Bible is false
Who would have thought",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200418
126181400,126187684,2017-05-19 13:27:24,">>126181400
>atheshit general 
>Christians are oppressing you 
>absolutely no mention of Islam 
Sure thing mange",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200444
126181400,126187723,2017-05-19 13:27:43,,,Anonymous,atheism.jpg,Y4kZ+O7a14t3BoZbeRldxg==,LT,,1495200463
126181400,126187726,2017-05-19 13:27:44,">>126187587
>despite them making up 11% of the people from those countries
That's irrelevant, unless, of course, every single person in that country applied for asylum.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495200464
126181400,126187830,2017-05-19 13:28:40,">>126182160
>>126182507
>building monuments to venerate our retarded shit instead of your retarded shit makes us not retarded shits 
Kys david",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200520
126181400,126187836,2017-05-19 13:28:42,">>126187587
>Obama
>Europe
So much brainpower
Also do you have records of christians being rejected?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200522
126181400,126188001,2017-05-19 13:30:20,">>126187533
>Because it's the humane thing to do -- helping people who are being displaced by conflict.
America can't accept even the entire population of the single worst-off country in Eurasia, how is letting in refugees going to help the 3 billion people in poverty and threat of warlord violence?
All you can do is bleed nations of their own 1% richest and most able to travel internationally
Imploding the US out of suicidal self-martyrdom to ideals won't help anybody but the elite that profit from cheap labor",,Anonymous,1495081276285.jpg,bV635T7FJjPlDjqNv0ixQw==,IM,,1495200620
126181400,126188005,2017-05-19 13:30:24,">>126185838
Yes I do",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200624
126181400,126188010,2017-05-19 13:30:26,">>126187830
It might makes atheists who do that retarded shits. That I agree with.
It doesn't make them religious though.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495200626
126181400,126188035,2017-05-19 13:30:40,">>126187684
Islam shouldn't exist
Current Christianity is not all bad
Out of politics 
This is what most atheist think",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200640
126181400,126188131,2017-05-19 13:31:33,Yes. It is imeritive that we be freed from the evils of the religion of atheism. Militant atheists try to force everyone to become part of their silly religion by claiming if you're not an atheist you're a civil rights violator. Join the most persecutorial religion in the world - atheism - why? I'd rather be a cucked up Mormon.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200693
126181400,126188145,2017-05-19 13:31:40,">>126185806
why do you assume everyone who opposes you is christian? Everyone just thinks you're cringy because your belief is essentially that life has no meaning and has brought us the rise of post-structuralism, literally the cancer of the world. it's funny seeing people post Nietzsche as an example of an atheist when your belief is exactly what he hated. Regardless, the worst part is that your community is so adamant in tearing down other people's belief systems that have given you everything (see sam harris as an example) when essentially you have no proof that there is no greater intelligence in the same vein that theists have no proof. You just believe that there's nothing, no reason for anything, no meaning to anything - just like 'christfags' believe that there is purpose to life. The only difference between the two groups is that one actually believes that there is a point and an innate value system. You may as well just off yourself now if you truly think there's a 0% chance of there being some higher 'intelligence', so to speak. If you don't think the chance is 0% then you aren't an atheist to begin with and ought to think about why you're so insistent at tearing at people's beliefs and values to begin with.
>>126184373
i've met many atheists who genuinely believe all religions are equally evil. This leads me to believe most of you really haven't thought too much into the subject and are likely just edgy 15 year olds.
Goodnight all, please rethink your lives",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495200700
126181400,126188211,2017-05-19 13:32:21,">>126187726
>That's irrelevant, unless, of course, every single person in that country applied for asylum
Wait, are we talking about people that need rescuing from a bomb-blasted warzone, or not",,Anonymous,,,IM,,1495200741
126181400,126188255,2017-05-19 13:32:45,">>126188035
Well said",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200765
126181400,126188288,2017-05-19 13:33:04,">>126188001
>immigration = communism
Also 
>how does capitalism work",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200784
126181400,126188406,2017-05-19 13:34:29,">>126181400
>implying religion and civilization are extricable 
>implying have no religion you'll be able to have social order
>implying having no religion that people will willingly die for your civilization
wew. Im not religious and probably dont believe in got but fuck if I am gonna let some religious muslim zealots conquer me because atheists are fucking cowards. 
Atheists mostly who attack the last pillar western culture up and the most docile incarnation of christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200869
126181400,126188469,2017-05-19 13:35:00,">>126187533
Neck yourself Denmark, go prep abdule to inseminate your blonde haired blue eyed women if it's so humane faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200900
126181400,126188496,2017-05-19 13:35:16,">>126181400
Doesn't even make sense. It's like starting a thread saying unicorns don't exist! But to know what it is means it has to exist in some form. God is real autists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200916
126181400,126188545,2017-05-19 13:35:45,">>126188131
This nonesense
Unless you mean communists",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495200945
126181400,126188564,2017-05-19 13:35:57,">>126186880
>>126187351
The data supports what you are saying. No arguments there. Its like the new generation has done away with one form of kikery and replaced it with another. The new original sin is being white. To atone for this one must live a life prostrating for marxist beliefs of open borders, gibs for the shitskins, and social equality. All of which are dysgenic as fuck. Smug liberals like to laugh at how the world is becoming like the movie Idiocracy without realizing liberal marxism is what's causing it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495200957
126181400,126188740,2017-05-19 13:37:41,">>126184373
Really? THEN SHOW ME ONE THAT APPROACHED A MUSLIM YOU LYING KEK!!!
Hugs and kisses.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495201061
126181400,126188835,2017-05-19 13:38:36,">>126181400
I'm sort of and agnostic myself and I think religion can be good to some people as long as it stays out of politics",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1495201116
126181400,126188874,2017-05-19 13:38:54,">>126188145
>it's funny seeing people post Nietzsche as an example of an atheist when your belief is exactly what he hated.
Maybe it's one of the small mercies of the universe that people that enjoy Nietzsche will eventually move beyond nu-atheism to actually paying attention to what the fuck he was saying",,Anonymous,,,IM,,1495201134
126181400,126188886,2017-05-19 13:39:00,">>126187723
hahahaha this is great",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495201140
126181400,126188971,2017-05-19 13:39:52,">>126188131
Funny you call mormons cucks but an odd question a Mormon can be asked is ""How many wives do you have?""
Proving you don't understand the word Cuck you dumb fuck. If you were catholic then everyone wonders how many little boys your priest touched. 
As for athiesm, they worship the little 'g' government. Most are marxists and leech off of the stable society Christianity has given them.
They're lives are usually train wrecks so they get what they deserve when they have no solid principles.",,Anonymous,absolute-truth.jpg,upk3yhNMuukOK+UDbHtDxA==,US,,1495201192
126181400,126188998,2017-05-19 13:40:05,">>126188211
So DID every single person apply for asylum in America?
Otherwise you need to present the percentage of applicants that are Christians, in order to draw the conclusion you did in your original post.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495201205
126181400,126189017,2017-05-19 13:40:14,">>126188564
Except being atheist have no bearing on political discourse
Also most ppl that claim atheism are new age hippie bullshiters",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495201214
126181400,126189043,2017-05-19 13:40:30,">Another fucking Reddit loser. I'm sick of you cucks.
>You are an enemy of the constitution and the first amendment. If you hate Christians so much, then why don't you get your worthless ass out of the United States???
It's true. Oh, and if your source is from the wiki then you fail at searching for a reliable one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495201230
126181400,126189249,2017-05-19 13:42:11,">>126184899
Jews ccan't use atheism to undermine christanity since it undermine all religions ecually.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1495201331
126181400,126189278,2017-05-19 13:42:27,">>126187426
>No one claims that
It was claimed in the OP 
>God does NOT exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495201347
126181400,126189282,2017-05-19 13:42:27,">>126188874
It's the same with Descartes 
Most atheist love to cogito ergo sum and not read any further
Christians aren't the only idiots",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495201347
126181400,126189423,2017-05-19 13:43:54,">>126188496
interesting point",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495201434
126181400,126189459,2017-05-19 13:44:10,">>126189278
Op might be gay then",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495201450
126181400,126189556,2017-05-19 13:45:06,">>126181630
I thought (((natalie portman))) was a heeb
also isnt black science man a hardcore agnostic",,Anonymous,Daphne_Rosen_3.jpg,15Wj4uyUPgRLZu0ttA1yqA==,US,,1495201506
126181400,126189729,2017-05-19 13:46:42,">>126188998
>10:1
That's an amazing disparity between the proportions of Christians who value not being actively bombed vs Moslemics who value not being actively bombed
Why, do you suppose, do Christians apply for asylum at a tenth of the rate Muhammedeens do",,Anonymous,,,IM,,1495201602
126181400,126189734,2017-05-19 13:46:45,">>126183344
I admit it may be cringy but in SF they do have churches for athiests that meet weekly and feed the hungry and shit just like normie churches do",,Anonymous,bakersfeel.png,ZZxwLWy0hWdIl1pQHRaV+w==,US,,1495201605
126181400,126189938,2017-05-19 13:48:44,">>126189017
>Except being atheist have no bearing on political discourse
A lack of superstitious beliefs means you are not beholden so this assertion is correct
>Also most ppl that claim atheism are new age hippie bullshiters
I don't contest the assertion that when MOST people hear the word ""atheist"" they think of some liberal dsygenic numale cuck bitch boy with some gay ass hippie beliefs about equality and peace. The conflation is a shame really.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495201724
126181400,126189990,2017-05-19 13:49:18,">>126189729
Nice hypothetical argument",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495201758
126181400,126190043,2017-05-19 13:49:50,Atheism is the sole cause of widespread degeneracy,,Anonymous,1490166506699.png,+4wsQDo4f1lpjy8/kj/JRg==,CA,,1495201790
126181400,126190074,2017-05-19 13:50:09,"Libertarian Atheist here.
Christians are mostly decent people. The ones that keep telling everyone they're going to hell are harmless entertainment, especially when they trigger liberals who actually believe hell exists.
Muslims will kill us all if given too much power. Secularism exists to keep Shariah nuts in check.
Remember that tomorrow is Draw Muhammad Day. Be sure to exercise your rights.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495201809
126181400,126190200,2017-05-19 13:51:18,">>126189734
San Francisco is undoubtedly the most stupid city in the world",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495201878
126181400,126190211,2017-05-19 13:51:26,"proof of god 
egyptians predict pepe thousands of years ago.
how could they do this without magic and the spiritual realm",,Anonymous,a5c.jpg,ITkv4V9RplSsQnKHPbGTOQ==,US,,1495201886
126181400,126190263,2017-05-19 13:51:53,">>126189729
What are the percentage of Christians who applied for asylum, and got accepted, versus the percentage of Christians who applied but got rejected. This was the point you original post left out.
Those 1% you mention, could have been ALL the Christians who applied.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495201913
126181400,126190447,2017-05-19 13:53:34,">>126181630
these lists always annoys me because half the people on there aren't even atheists. Einstein was polytheistic however he didn't believe in an after life of sorts if i remember correctly and Darwin was an admitted agnostic. Most intelligent people never claim to know shit about the nature of reality, half of this list is a meme.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495202014
126181400,126190824,2017-05-19 13:56:50,">>126181400
>ATHEISM GENERAL
For what purpose?
t. agnostic",,Anonymous,br.jpg,AJG0BmIKSGLCX2U2mgPB0A==,DE,,1495202210
126181400,126190875,2017-05-19 13:57:27,">>126190447
Also appeal to authority argument graphic version is still invalid",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495202247
126181400,126190932,2017-05-19 13:57:56,>>126181400,,Anonymous,wake the fuck up whites.jpg,LhDzBMq4ADi/mjpUKRBy1A==,CA,,1495202276
126181400,126190966,2017-05-19 13:58:12,">>126183344
The third definition of ""religious"" as defined by Merriam-Webster is, ""scrupulously and conscientiously faithful"". A person can take any sort of world view and turn it into a sort of religion through conscientious practice. Many atheist take things a step further by practicing proselytization. If you don't want people calling it a religion, stop making it look eerily similar to a religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495202292
126181400,126191066,2017-05-19 13:59:11,">>126184899
>atheist authoritarianism
nice try christcuck
keep worshipping joseph's wife's son",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495202351
126181400,126191071,2017-05-19 13:59:13,">>126190447
An image macro posted on 4chan is incorrect. Wow, who would have thought that? I agree with you btw.
>>126190966
Good point, and I agree.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495202353
126181400,126191218,2017-05-19 14:00:39,">>126181400
atheism is not to be spread , if you are one you should know this better. Religion is required for a functioning society. You are basically becoming what the joos want you to become when you become destructive with your fuck god argument.
t.atheist",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1495202439
126181400,126191230,2017-05-19 14:00:46,">>126186880
Fucking retarded. Some atheists are atheists for bad reasons, eg, communism. That doesn't say anything about atheism itself. 
Christianity is the worship of being cucked by the middle east. You are not helping whites or our culture.",,Anonymous,jesus in space.jpg,NkbflcWinHsKM/E2klm4lw==,CA,,1495202446
126181400,126191335,2017-05-19 14:01:37,">>126183364
I like how call us disrespectful douches yet you throw petty insults.",,Anonymous,basherverse.jpg,Y3VeybHuwm0SPf5P21EC4g==,US,,1495202497
126181400,126191337,2017-05-19 14:01:38,">>126191218
>Religion is required for a functioning society.
Please substantiate this claim.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495202498
126181400,126191391,2017-05-19 14:02:10,">>126191218
>a roach
>religion is necessary for functioning society
>just look at mine
kek",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495202530
126181400,126191482,2017-05-19 14:03:04,">>126191218
>Turkey
What kind of religion do you think is important?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495202584
126181400,126191583,2017-05-19 14:03:59,">>126191218
>Religion is required for a functioning society.
Considering the current Islaminisation of Turkey and its concurrent descent into a dictatorship, I'd say you're wrong.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495202639
126181400,126191775,2017-05-19 14:05:51,">>126191337
America is the greatest country on earth 
>>126191391
It's functional within it's own boundaries, the dysfunction comes with clashing belief systems.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495202751
126181400,126191808,2017-05-19 14:06:05,">>126191337
this might not be the case in europe but there are places in the world where morals are provided with religion. Look at us for example , islam is not nice but if you try to remove it the shit just gets worse. Also people tend to be aggressive when you challange their faith like some of us do in a hostile manner. Im not saying religion is great and all but a synthesis must be formed if we are to progress.
>>126191391
never have i said just look at mine. It can be a tool of destruction or unity",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1495202765
126181400,126192000,2017-05-19 14:07:50,">>126191775
>America is the greatest country on earth 
Why? And how does it involve religion.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495202870
126181400,126192084,2017-05-19 14:08:37,">>126191482
One that is teached to be personal. It could be islam christiantity or whatever the fuck but the person in this case should be teached to keep to himself/herself. So that it doesnt become a core aspect of the society.
>>126191583
Islam is not a religion of peace but people dont even read quran , its the dogmatic nature of the religion that causes this kind of corruption.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1495202917
126181400,126192088,2017-05-19 14:08:38,">>126181400
>disbelieve bible and church (fair point)
>make religion / cult
you guys are dumb, that is all.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495202918
126181400,126192136,2017-05-19 14:09:03,">>126191808
>this might not be the case in europe
Then it is not necessary?",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495202943
126181400,126192380,2017-05-19 14:11:12,">>126192136
If everyone agrees , why not.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1495203072
126181400,126192786,2017-05-19 14:14:55,">>126192380
What do you mean ""everyone agrees""?
I don't agree that religion is necessary for a functioning society. I actually think it's large irrelevant, although less religious countries tend to be objectively better (e.g., European countries vs. African countries). But I can't (and won't) make the claim that this is due to religion (or the lack thereof).",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495203295
126181400,126192893,2017-05-19 14:15:54,">>126191337
The belief in nothing, that is to say the belief that our values are inherently meaningless will inevitably lead to a nihilistic, decadent society. You can look at the current results of the degeneration of religiousness in the west as proof of this. Although I suppose that you don't consider that a bad thing, as an objective negative/positive dichotomy cannot possibly exist with your worldview. You could also ponder why there are no atheist societies in the world nor has there ever been any that were successful. This is likely because of the aforementioned effects of the belief in nothing, that society would have no reason to sustain itself nor would it be inclined to progress technologically aside for maybe a drive to produce a button that releases dopamine into your brain until you die, thus fulfilling their hedonistic 'purpose'.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495203354
126181400,126193112,2017-05-19 14:17:48,">>126190966
I understand the desire to not want seem insufferable and dogmatic. The question is with the west on the verge of being destroyed by shitskins what needs to be done to ensure survival of the white race? When I see Christians arguing for puritan wedge issues thus strengthening the SJW base and wasting political bandwidth I want to go full fedoric mode. When I see libshits arguing for muslims as nothing more than an attack on Christianity I want to ally with the Christians.
This is extremely frustrating as it feels like arguing for eugenic truth in this current political climate is like being caught in the middle of the perfect kosher sandwhich.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495203468
126181400,126193501,2017-05-19 14:21:01,">>126192000
>Why 
It is the country with the most freedom and the highest equality of opportunity. 
>How does it involve religion. 
Religion causes a much greater propensity for a sense of connectedness within a community, A religious community is far more likely to work together to prop up each other and help each other become successful as a unit. The atheistic lone wolf attitude just leads to a ""not my problem"" frame of mind and leads to a greater number of disenfranchised members within the society. A church will help the homeless man and the clergy will speak with him and try their damdest to set them on the right path and provide a sense of love and direction. In the aethiestic society the homeless man is looked at with disgust or contempt and is given to releasing to trust or cooperate with those in the community which leads to a higher rate of crime; it's the same sense of nihilistic exclusion from a meaningful society which leads to mass degeneracy because everyone disconnected from the other feels like the importance of quality of life applies more so to themselves than the community at large.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495203661
126181400,126193610,2017-05-19 14:21:59,">>126192893
>there are no morals
>there is no afterlife
>i want to get dopamine till i die
is this how you reason?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495203719
126181400,126193648,2017-05-19 14:22:12,">>126192786
What if the majority wants religion to be a thing?",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1495203732
126181400,126193729,2017-05-19 14:22:55,">to releasing 
Is given no reason *",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495203775
126181400,126193739,2017-05-19 14:23:00,">>126193501
>there is no god
>im an antisocial now
why so many strawman",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495203780
126181400,126193816,2017-05-19 14:23:43,">>126192893
All this seems founded in the argument that there's no reason be good now, if it doesn't pay off in the afterlife. I don't agree with this.
>You could also ponder why there are no atheist societies in the world nor has there ever been any that were successful.
I consider countries such as Denmark to be large successful, despite having a high percentage of irreligious people. I'm guessing you're thinking of e.g., communistic countries, but only considering countries which enforce atheism by violence is a strawman. Besides, enforcing any kind of belief is wrong, whether directly by e.g., violence or indirectly by e.g., claiming you'll burn forever in hell if you don't follow some particular belief.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495203823
126181400,126193907,2017-05-19 14:24:27,">>126183726
Thank tou for the list, infidel",,"""Moderate"" Assad Supporter",,,US,,1495203867
126181400,126194004,2017-05-19 14:25:13,">>126193648
if you have a stupid goverment system i guess you can make it a thing
like you made your sultan",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495203913
126181400,126194039,2017-05-19 14:25:33,"Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine. 
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495203933
126181400,126194140,2017-05-19 14:26:28,">>126193648
Then I'd ask you how that makes society better.
By that same logic, Erdogan becoming dictator-lite is good, because the majority voted for it.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495203988
126181400,126194320,2017-05-19 14:27:54,">>126193501
I'd argue the opposite and say religion creates rifts in society; an ""us vs them"" mentality that leads to disregarding people in genuine need, simply because they don't hold the same belief as you.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495204074
126181400,126194461,2017-05-19 14:28:58,">>126192893
>You can look at the current results of the degeneration of religiousness in the west as proof of this
Correlation doesn't imply causation. I would argue this dysgenic trend in the west is due to the cancer of marxism spreading.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495204138
126181400,126194475,2017-05-19 14:29:08,">>126193610
Believing that I shouldn't go out and rob everyone to fulfil my own greed for fear that there are potential consequences down the line (whether it be in terms of the afterlife or in the form of a cause and effect) is fundamentally a theistic belief. You could argue that this isn't human nature, or that people don't commit crime for fear of going to jail (which might be true for some) however both arguments are illogical for reasons i hope you can understand without my having to spell it out for you as it's 4:30am here and I'll be heading to work soon",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495204148
126181400,126194509,2017-05-19 14:29:31,">>126181400
Atheists why do you think God doesn't exist?
How do you know you're right?
You are assuming that ""in the beginning all was void"" It's hilarious because atheists shouldn't fall victim to the first line of the old testament, but they do, and it's the basis for their argument that things must be proven to exist, not proven to not exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495204171
126181400,126194760,2017-05-19 14:31:35,">>126194509
>Atheists why do you think God doesn't exist?
I've seen nothing so far that indicates he does. In addition, the amount of petty bullshit religion has caused throughout history should be enough in and of itself, to not want religion.
>How do you know you're right?
I don't.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1495204295
126181400,126194997,2017-05-19 14:33:35,">>126194140
But i cant remove islam from the turkish people , they would never side with that idea and we are atleast 150 years behind europe when it comes to ideological issues.
>>126194004
People have already been religious for atleast a thousand years. It would be really really hard to convince me that there is a god , same goes for the other side",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1495204415
126181400,126195138,2017-05-19 14:34:39,">>126194461
>the cancer that is marxism
marxism is a thing only due to the illogical nature of militant atheism.
>>126194320
you're arguing against dogmatism, something which most people would generally oppose. It's not an argument against the belief in a purpose to living aside for your own greed.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495204479
126181400,126195388,2017-05-19 14:36:47,Do us a favour and end your suffering.,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495204607
126181400,126195424,2017-05-19 14:37:08,">>126194475
>laws in society are theistic
maybe its too early for you to think",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495204628
126181400,126195566,2017-05-19 14:38:25,">>126193739
it can be directly observed, religious members of society and religious institutions are shown to contribute more to social causes and charity for the disenfranchised. They are a far greater factor in giving a sense of belonging to people who gave only felt excluded for their entire lives (the homeless man, or the the man in prison who finds religion and leads a righteous life from that point on) 
Aethistic communities can be directly observed to give more focus on the individual and their own desires and text to act sourly towards those who have trouble doing the same for themselves, just look at the SJW horde today. All of them are atheists, all of them focus exclusively on individual desires and stimulation of their pleasure centres, they all want to fuck each others asses and spread their pussies in public and they fight for ""social justice"" which is just a cover for ""I want policies that provide me instant gratification and the ability to indulge in hedonistic endeavours"". All their views focus on the then and now and the individual rather than the overall picture and wellbeing of the community as is seen with religious communities. 
If you want to propose your own arguments contrary to mine go right ahead but greentexting two lines and then calling ME fallacious is just sad and proof of your atheistic instant gratification systems.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495204705
126181400,126195626,2017-05-19 14:38:59,">>126194320
I'd argue that the data shows the opposite and that if you go to your nearest church and tell the clergy that you are not a religious man but you are in need of help and direction you will be spoken to with compassion and understanding and with respect to your soul as a human being. They will speak to you using religios allegory, of course, you're in a church. It's up to you not to get militant about being told to follow God and learn the teachings of biblical wisdom. The problem with atheists is that they take the Bible literally when it is a collection of age old stories about the nature of being and often goes right over their heads.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495204739
126181400,126195630,2017-05-19 14:39:02,">>126195424
for someone who's obsessed with the idea of muh fallacy you sure are quick to start strawmanning. i tip my fedora to you friend",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495204742
126181400,126195739,2017-05-19 14:40:02,">>126181400
Religion is hypocritical, but not atheism?
Communism, is atheist, and has killed more people than religion.
And atheism IS a religion.
Atheism blames everything on religion, in spite of them being the ones who invented all the tools which could lead to the deaths of us all, but religion is hypocritical? Interesting. Very interesting. I smell BS. No offense.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495204802
126181400,126195756,2017-05-19 14:40:10,">>126181400
Please take your arrogance somewhere else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495204810
126181400,126195779,2017-05-19 14:40:23,">>126181400
I'm ok with all non muslim religions, but the holybook fuckers really grind my gears.
>the bible says bla therefore x is wrong
>random ctation of the talmud/bible, silence for interpretations while pretending something profound goes through your mind
Also atheist need no reafirmation in their beliefs. So I don't see the point of a thread",,Anonymous,Dawkins.jpg,RIgOgDDk3GiixBPA+BkFVw==,ES,,1495204823
126181400,126195834,2017-05-19 14:40:55,No proof? Sage,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495204855
126181400,126196045,2017-05-19 14:42:57,">>126195630
>quoting is strawmaning
""for fear that there are potential consequences down the line (whether it be in terms of the afterlife or in the form of a cause and effect) is fundamentally a theistic belief.""",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495204977
126181400,126196103,2017-05-19 14:43:27,">>126181400
The big bang theory, is the same belief, shared by ancient Egypt, and Freemasonry, that the Great Architect, caused all creation to spring into existence, by speaking the Word, Aum.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495205007
126181400,126196163,2017-05-19 14:44:04,">>126195138
>marxism is a thing only due to the illogical nature of militant atheism
That statement is completely false. a lack of superstitious beliefs is the only logical choice. You are being irrational in conflating this image of a brainwashed liberal jewbag with a lack of superstitious beliefs. I know that Carl Marx himself was an atheist but his idea of (((equality))) is completely contradictory to all scientific evidence. I believe in the fall of the traditional original sin in the West we are witnessing a new original sin of white guilt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495205044
126181400,126196250,2017-05-19 14:44:44,,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495205084
126181400,126196309,2017-05-19 14:45:14,">>126195834
i know right. for a group that constantly argues with the Christians about ""you have no proof of god"" they don't seem to be able to prove material reality is real let alone prove that there is no god. and to think i had my hopes up about finally getting an answer one way or the other",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495205114
126181400,126196548,2017-05-19 14:47:20,"Scientists, like Neil Tyson, now believe the universe is a SIMULATION.
Atheists, now believe what they falsely accused us religionists of believing: That the universe was created by a dude with a beard somewhere.
It only took science/atheism, 200,000 years, to arrive at the same conclusion we ALWAYS knew.
Well, as they say, getting there is half the fun. 
Stupid faggots.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495205240
126181400,126196737,2017-05-19 14:48:49,"You atheist morons, are not just religious, but share the SAME religion, as the Illuminati.
That's a special flavor of stupidity.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495205329
126181400,126196785,2017-05-19 14:49:25,">>126181630
>Karl Marx
>Angelina Jolie
>all these other actors
wtf im christian now?",,Anonymous,1443464641724.jpg,bW32Rg8oEiAXZCDX25blZg==,US,,1495205365
126181400,126196941,2017-05-19 14:50:31,">>126196250
How you feel now? Still feel logical?",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495205431
126181400,126196973,2017-05-19 14:50:42,">>126195566
you dont want me to greentext but give me literally zero arguments
communism is accused of being an atheist idea
what is more community based? empowering the powerless?
Atheist Norway mocked for giving asylum to refugees, is this for their hedonistic need to lower their living standards to help ppl?
>look at this american idiots
>all atheist are nihilists
you ignore the fact that if life is meaningless and there is no afterlife you would want to get the most of life
hedonistic persuits are not it",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495205442
126181400,126197052,2017-05-19 14:51:21,">>126196309
Easy, you beliebe there is a need for a God, and you beliebe in its existence with no proof right?
You will always be theist or agnostic.
An atheist gets no gibs for deconverting people. No point on wasting time and effort
I know in pic related 1/2 are kikes",,Anonymous,the four.jpg,95L6fMq9LD85UbnWLK70fg==,ES,,1495205481
126181400,126197139,2017-05-19 14:52:14,">>126196045
how does that equate to the law? i am clearly referring to morality in that sentence and i even provide your argument of muh laws (which are based on morals anyway) in the following sentence. at least strawman well if you're going to at all.
>>126196163
yes, the absence of dogmatic beliefs is the only logical choice. Atheism is by definition dogmatic. You aren't an atheist if this applies to you. As for marxism, it is essentially just a real world example of brave new world so I can't see any theist developing it in the first place. Maybe i'm wrong though",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495205534
126181400,126197285,2017-05-19 14:53:44,">>126184373
You are actually fucking stupid.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495205624
126181400,126197317,2017-05-19 14:54:02,">>126196941
Hahaha but what made god dumb christians haha. I found another dumb video look how stupid it is. Everyone knows were here by random chance haha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495205642
126181400,126197401,2017-05-19 14:54:50,">>126197139
consequences of cause and effect are not morals
you can have non enforced morals",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1495205690
126181400,126197655,2017-05-19 14:57:44,">>126181400
Fuck off shill",,Anonymous,1495129920831.jpg,tcK6PWdUIcCW5lVF1vxdyg==,US,,1495205864
126181400,126198171,2017-05-19 15:03:09,">>126197401
if we're talking in terms of karma, or that cause and effect is a fundamental aspect of material reality then we would be talking about a theistic belief. If by non enforced morals you mean that those laws of reality are subjective then yeah, you can have that view? it doesn't really make any sense though. It's just a form of moral relativism that will inevitably lead you down a path of nihilism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495206189
126181400,126198271,2017-05-19 15:04:07,"Atheists are so dumb. What's wrong guys, afraid of my comments? You assholes got nothing?",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495206247
126181400,126198331,2017-05-19 15:04:37,You should be burned like all heretics.,,Anonymous,,,ES,,1495206277
126181400,126198535,2017-05-19 15:06:38,"i'm an atheist in libya
do you think i should kill myself",,Anonymous,,,LY,,1495206398
126181400,126198725,2017-05-19 15:08:12,">>126198271
I mean, is simulation theory really theistic or deistic though? I mean i suppose it is by improper definition, but it's kind of implying a deterministic worldview",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495206492
126181400,126198782,2017-05-19 15:08:39,">>126194509
>How do you know you're right?
I don't claim to know anything. I simply lack belief, because I have no reason to believe. If we are intending to explain existence, which claim makes less assumptions, that the universe was created by a god who in turn has always existed or simply popped into existence, or that the universe has either always existed or simply popped into existence? I am merely taking the same assumptions you draw about the origins of your god, and applying them to the universe, thus making one fewer assumption.
It is possible that there is a creator deity, but it would require more assumptions than there not being a creator deity. It is also possible that we live in a simulation, and I have heard some semi-convincing arguments of this, though I am not inclined to believe this is the absolute truth. Regardless, even if there is a creator deity, there is no reason to assume it is the God of the Bible, Qur'an, or Torah. Such an entity, if it exists, sounds more like an arrogant fibbing space alien than anything else.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495206519
126181400,126199099,2017-05-19 15:11:40,">>126198725
Simulation theory is 100% identical to classical theism in function. It has its own PC new terms and words it uses so fedoras can still believe it without having too much cognitive dissonance, but in terms of function it is the same as theism",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495206700
126181400,126199116,2017-05-19 15:11:51,">>126196973
Communism is certainly not more community based just because it proports to be by name. In a communist society the citizens are often afraid of each other. In the Soviet union for example the majority of your neighbours would have been government informants that if they heard you complain or speak ill of policy or leadership you'd report you to the authorities for which you would be either murdered or sent to the gulag to work to death. 
Yes they empower the powerless within their own communities. A lot of Christians abhor the thought of importing Islamic refugees as well, look that the recent American election. Islam is the antithesis to Christian values and will destroy the very communal cohesion I have been talking about within their communities. Atheistic Norway accepts refugees because they have no sense of social cohesion through mutual belief and let anybody in because ""lol were all humans"" and don't realize that the religious refugees who DO have social cohesion through religion will become an ugly beast as their religion doesn't interact with communities in the same way Christianity does for example. 
>I've given no arguments 
>pretending I'm generalizing every single member of a community 
Australia is right, you're awful fallacious yourself for someone who seems to know a whole lot about arguments. Why do you have to intentionally misrepresent your opponent's propositions for some sort of contemptuous leg up? That's the very smug, contempt ridden and utterly ignorant atheistic behaviour that leads to social alienation within atheistic communities.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495206711
126181400,126199193,2017-05-19 15:12:30,">>126198725
Of course it is deistic, it is entirely based on the concept of a creator. 
Not all religions require a creator, but when you have one, you have DEFINITELY entered the realm of religion.No way round it at that point.
Not that I can see anywho.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495206750
126181400,126199431,2017-05-19 15:14:42,">>126181400
>>126181630
>>126189043
>>126189249
>>126190074
>>126191335
>>126195388",,Anonymous,f63.jpg,U1ZD8dZU8YWBil+CU5rgzg==,CA,,1495206882
126181400,126199524,2017-05-19 15:15:33,">>126187338
DEUS VULT",,Anonymous,1485729336951.jpg,Jrbx7gwaXDgtLHwi5v6t7g==,US,,1495206933
126181400,126199590,2017-05-19 15:16:09,">>126187723
Kek",,Anonymous,1474922900864.png,jR37MiQunawyO3nyGBA+qw==,US,,1495206969
126181400,126199820,2017-05-19 15:18:01,>>126190932,,Anonymous,1488070135054.jpg,Jw/BLIxqnnMRK+RNymVymg==,US,,1495207081
126181400,126200038,2017-05-19 15:19:52,">>126198535
if you think that your suffering outweighs the benefits of living then it's up to you anon
>>126198782
you're not really an atheist desu, you're implying that you don't know one way or the other. 'the absence of belief' is essentially that you do not believe at all that there is a deity of any sort.
>>126199099
ehhhhhh maybe, it doesn't imply any sort of afterlife or reason for life aside for ""well your purpose is for research!"" or something along those lines. Sure it implies a creator, but that isn't necessarily the belief in a god or anything. Everything implies that there's a creator, the differences between the different tokens of belief is what created everything whether it be the big bang, a simulation, some old bearded guy and what the purpose purports to be",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495207192
126181400,126200343,2017-05-19 15:22:30,">>126199193
well yes this is pretty much the argument for why atheism is a religion in the first place, the big bang is a creator of sorts",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495207350
126181400,126200516,2017-05-19 15:23:42,">>126200038
> it doesn't imply any sort of afterlife or reason for life
Neither does theism. That's a claim of specific theistic religions
>Sure it implies a creator, but that isn't necessarily the belief in a god or anything. 
It literally is. Thats exactly what believing in a creator of the universe is. This is what I mean, it uses fancy new PC words so people don't feel like icky theists, but they literally are.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495207422
126181400,126200540,2017-05-19 15:23:53,">>126181630
>nietzsche
>atheist
He was agnostic and any edgy moron who hasn't read his work will be quick to spout off ""b-but God is dead!"" without realizing what Nietzsche actually meant about the secularization of society",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495207433
126181400,126200671,2017-05-19 15:25:11,">>126191218
I feel it should be noted that atheism is not the absence of religion, only the absence of a faith in God. There are several religions that neither assert nor deny the existence of any God or Gods, such as Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. These are primarily focused on values and wisdom, rather than commands from an omniscient being, although there are some spiritual beliefs mixed in.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495207511
126181400,126200724,2017-05-19 15:25:40,"there is no god you faggots just make up the shit you want to think
all you bible trumpeters are the same. at the last moments of your lifespan you see everything you have done was for fucking nothing and the only thing that kept you from offing yourselves is that feeling that death is unknown and ""could be"" more painful than living.
>they have never seen a old persons regrets on their deathbeds.
hehahehaheaha",,Anonymous,1393819850771.png,QT+ahI1TwduQJsY0V0OxMg==,US,,1495207540
126181400,126200796,2017-05-19 15:26:15,Everyone is given a choice between heaven and hell. Have you made yours yet?,,Anonymous,1495115564357.png,6Cf+ZzWEV+0Yh6Okdw57ng==,CA,,1495207575
126181400,126201193,2017-05-19 15:29:13,">this OP
>this thread",,Anonymous,1483161126933.png,rhHpAwwo1jkEJARiLEI8oQ==,US,,1495207753
126181400,126201605,2017-05-19 15:32:29,">>126200516
i mean, i guess if you're using simplified definitions. you're pretty much saying that the belief in material reality itself is theism. By this definition, the belief that the big bang just popped out of nothing is theistic which is what i was talking about in my previous post. It negates the purpose of definitions in the first place. If you believe that the total energy total of the universe is 0 to get around the laws of energy conservation and the big bang just happened at random out of this 0 energy then you're an atheist. it's pointless to just call everyone a deist or theist",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495207949
126181400,126201915,2017-05-19 15:35:13,">>126200796
how do i choose? do i have to make sure my dick is mutilated because i'm pretty sure if thats the case i'm already done for",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495208113
126181400,126201972,2017-05-19 15:35:37,">>126200038
Atheist:
A = prefix for ""not""
theist = someone who believes in God.
Any person who does not make the positive assertion that there is a God is an atheist by definition. Absence of belief that X is true is not the same as the belief that X is false. Think of it like this: God not existing is a null hypothesis. In statistics, we can never accept the null hypothesis. However, we can fail to reject it, and therefore default to it. There is insufficient evidence to convince me of the existence of God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495208137
126181400,126202001,2017-05-19 15:35:50,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1rfm5CIvmU,,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495208150
126181400,126202161,2017-05-19 15:37:13,"accept your life has no more worth than the livestock you eat.
 and that this universe does not give a fuck if earth flies into the sun.
All religious people are sociopaths and Stockholm syndrome victims. that must have guidance in life to survive life its self because they can see no other value to life than worship of a false being.",,Anonymous,08708300237.png,r4N4tbzQs6xIxZcq/fWqCw==,US,,1495208233
126181400,126202194,2017-05-19 15:37:29,">>126201972
There is insufficient data, to prove to me, God is not real. 
If you can see one way, why not the other? 
Both sides are attempting to prove a negative.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495208249
126181400,126202361,2017-05-19 15:38:54,">>126201915
Baptism and adherence to Catholic doctrine.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495208334
126181400,126202390,2017-05-19 15:39:03,">>126181400
Where is your proof that God doesn't exist?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495208343
126181400,126202396,2017-05-19 15:39:05,">>126201972
you should just kill yourself if you're trying to bring maths into it. you can be a theist by your own illogical definitions if you want, i really don't care.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495208345
126181400,126202463,2017-05-19 15:39:39,">>126202161
>being that much of a nihilistic atheist cuck",,Anonymous,1495204493702.jpg,gq6YI8sOGUuCZgQKDeZc4g==,PR,,1495208379
126181400,126202641,2017-05-19 15:41:03,">>126202161
Oh hey look it's a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions. Cool beliefs you have there dude",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495208463
126181400,126202789,2017-05-19 15:42:13,">>126202161
this is arguably the only person who understands atheism in the entire thread. everyone who argued with me pretty much BTFO'd themselves as soon as he entered",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495208533
126181400,126202806,2017-05-19 15:42:21,">>126201972
Can you tell me anon, in your mind, what does ""God"" mean? What is it that you don't believe in?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495208541
126181400,126202864,2017-05-19 15:42:51,">>126201605
The definitions aren't even being simplified. Simulation theory claims the universe was created deliberately and with intent by a sentient force which exercises complete control of our universe. This fits literally every criteria for theism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495208571
126181400,126203038,2017-05-19 15:44:24,">>126181876
Is that a shoop? Or did they actually get that stone engraved in fucking Arial?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495208664
126181400,126203370,2017-05-19 15:47:06,">>126190966
You sound like you're describing anti-theists, which are a distinct group of atheists.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495208826
126181400,126203379,2017-05-19 15:47:11,">>126202864
good point. this is kind of what i mean by improper definitions though, although i suppose under that definition you would have a differentiation of big bang theorists and simulation theorists.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495208831
126181400,126203654,2017-05-19 15:49:34,"Atheists, how do you explain the profecy for september?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1495208974
126181400,126203860,2017-05-19 15:51:17,">tfw atheist and hate niggers, degeneracy etc
>tfw voted for trump happily and am republican
Anybody not a muslim is alright in my book.",,Anonymous,1487129819410.gif,laWz5gvhA/3Ym5yfbxSN7Q==,US,,1495209077
126181400,126203868,2017-05-19 15:51:22,">>126202789
No, I beat the shit outta all you mofos.
If religion is responsible for everything other religious people have done, enjoy owning up to Israel...for the majority of Israelis, are ATHEIST.
The only person who understands atheism...kek
Super-stupid, super-bigoted, without a clue about religion, OR atheism. 
I know you pricks aren't used to losing, but you just lost. Over, and over, and over.
Don't sweat that, just let that, accept that.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495209082
126181400,126204015,2017-05-19 15:52:37,">>126181400
if this general keeps being a thing I hope you fucking degenerates get permabanned immediately.",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1495209157
126181400,126204034,2017-05-19 15:52:48,">>126181400
Non-Theist here, just create a Universal Constructor and become artificial deities by hooking your body and mind to a supercomputer that connects to the internet, and then merge with a super powerful hard AI.
Then create nanomachines that act as an airborne disease in secret, powering people who are compatible, and slowly kill off the rest. Then either let the nanomachines process their corpses or turn them into undead slaves.
Congratulations! You are now a diety!
Except this tech is available in the 2060s.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1495209168
126181400,126204066,2017-05-19 15:53:04,">>126181400
If god exists then why would he create bugs vulnerable while in Cocoon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nr8SYrJ53g",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1495209184
126181400,126204143,2017-05-19 15:53:45,">>126203379
The big bang was an event. It isn't a conscious thing with an intent or motive or something that continues to be. It was just an event that took place. 
It's also worth noting, since I've seen you mention it a few times now as though it was an atheist thing, that the big bang theory was invented by a Catholic priest and was, and still is to this day, celebrated as a victory for theists. Prior to the theory the steady state universe theory is what most atheists relied on for their arguments.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495209225
126181400,126204204,2017-05-19 15:54:15,"If I tell you a duck, could pull a truck, hook the motherfucker up.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495209255
126181400,126204349,2017-05-19 15:55:29,">>126204143
Freemasons ALWAYS believed in the big bang theory silly, trust me.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495209329
126181400,126204363,2017-05-19 15:55:34,How do atheists explain the fact that all of the big leaders in the world are involved in some supernatural ritual?,,Anonymous,,,BR,,1495209334
126181400,126204491,2017-05-19 15:56:40,">>126203868
you either haven't read or understood any of my arguments clearly, or canadas, or the guy from the Czech republics arguments. By this token, you obviously couldn't understand atheism as you're just throwing out insults in the same way a christian or nu-atheist would when they don't understand something",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495209400
126181400,126204522,2017-05-19 15:56:58,">>126195756
this.
/pol/ is a christian board.",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1495209418
126181400,126204551,2017-05-19 15:57:16,">>126181400
I'm not religious but I prefer live among religious people rather than a bunch of progressive fedora faggots.",,Anonymous,1491184652695.jpg,L/TdaAxihexrqZNPsd7MvQ==,CO,,1495209436
126181400,126204569,2017-05-19 15:57:26,">>126204143
It is the creation myth, of a group who want to become Gods, just like the Bible warns of. It is definitely theist...they are the Gods, they think themselves God.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495209446
126181400,126204639,2017-05-19 15:58:03,">>126202194
>>126202390
what is 0+0 anon?
what is 0/0?
what is 0-0?
> insufficient data
> if i have zero data that something exists
it still =0
>>126202463
reeee harder
>>126202864
>Simulation theory claims the universe was created deliberately and with intent by a sentient 
Q: would a sentient being able to create this high dynamic universe be able to define its self to humans? or would it look at us the way a logger looks at a nest of squirrels?
>>126204204
>>126203868
dumb larping namefag
>>126204363
>>126203654
>>126204522
>>>/x/",,Anonymous,yUBDTvF.jpg,r/0tYhc7JhTqyCTbGXZh8g==,US,,1495209483
126181400,126204677,2017-05-19 15:58:22,,,Anonymous,ea5.png,srfjwj8ov9fvt9bRtQ0VcQ==,AT,,1495209502
126181400,126204697,2017-05-19 15:58:30,"""SJWs are atheist""
They actually believe:
>atheism is white supremacy
>atheists are mostly always white
>whites tried to force my ancestors into Christianity, and now they want to force us into atheism
>white atheists deserve no rights
>only rich whites are atheists
>shut up and listen to me, I'm an Afro Muslim
SJWs are theist, or at least spiritual. 
They even tie atheism up with Science, cause you gotta believe in something and: 
>science is bad because...
>Nazi scientists
>white experimentation on non-whites
>white atheists love western science
In public school in south I was taught this about atheism:
White atheism goes hand-in-hand with Nazism:
>science advances the aryan race
 ""Cause how you gonna build space ships and shit without science?"" 
>atheists love abortions in black neighborhoods
 ""Eh.""
>Hitler was an atheist
>No morality means crude science experiments on degenerates
>make everyone an atheist, and no more Muslims, Hindus, etc. 
 ""Let's destroy their religion from within.""
Ask most atheists why they left the church, 
""Lots of corruption."" Basically, I have other obligations sitting in church with degenerates, blacks, homosexuals, being preached at by child molesters. 
So there you have it folks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495209510
126181400,126204797,2017-05-19 15:59:27,">>126181400
>That logo
Cringe. I'm going to start calling myself a Christian Humanist or something so that I can't be associated with you fags.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495209567
126181400,126204800,2017-05-19 15:59:28,">>126204639
>thread about spiritual things
>send me to /x/",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1495209568
126181400,126204873,2017-05-19 16:00:05,">>126181630
I'm pretty sure Michio Kaku is no atheist. 
shinto buddhism doesn't count.",,Anonymous,,,AT,,1495209605
126181400,126204923,2017-05-19 16:00:32,">>126204800
>>>/x/",,Anonymous,1402880184366.gif,CrGkuxhbmqCyDD7+zCnE7g==,US,,1495209632
126181400,126204948,2017-05-19 16:00:48,">>126181400
>atheism general
300 posts per thread of ""god is dead xDDDD""
 because of people like you is why I hate being an atheist",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1495209648
126181400,126204990,2017-05-19 16:01:12,">>126204491
I understand perfectly. It is okay to judge all religionists, by what some of them do, but it is not okay, to label atheists, and lump all of you together...I got it.
Believe me, I get it. 
This sounds just like whaat happened in the USSR, before atheists killed millions of Christians. The BS here, is that exact flavor of madness. 
And most of them act like they are geniuses or something, while being completely devoid of ANY historical, religious, or even scientific (their own religion), facts.
You mofos don't know shit.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495209672
126181400,126205011,2017-05-19 16:01:25,">>126181630
this is a meme right? 
>Kevin Bacon is an atheist therefore you should be one too!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495209685
126181400,126205016,2017-05-19 16:01:26,">>126188288
That's not what he said though, moron. If anything, modern commies are just useful idiots for the corproratists",,Anonymous,,,CY,,1495209686
126181400,126205058,2017-05-19 16:01:43,">>126204923
You just dont know how to answer my questions, dumb atheist",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1495209703
126181400,126205084,2017-05-19 16:01:59,(((Athesim))) is a Jewish trick,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495209719
126181400,126205357,2017-05-19 16:04:15,">>126204697
Oh, and white atheists do have a spot in the ethnostate. They would be your scientists and experimental doctors on degenerates. 
>someone's gotta do it
Better someone who looks at a subhuman and says ""Whatever"" than a pansy who ""prays"" for the degenerate and hopes to see them in their special heaven. That's a lot of mental energy on a roach.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495209855
126181400,126205489,2017-05-19 16:05:30,">>126205016
dude this Chilean retard can't form a coherent argument to save his life all he does is make simplistic little green text lines about extremely simplified contradictions. He's probably going to die in a mining accident soon anyway",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495209930
126181400,126205556,2017-05-19 16:06:06,">>126205084
you are a muzzy bong
>>126205058
>thinking religion has more to do with politics than /x/ paranormal voodoo. fucking retarded huehuehue.",,Anonymous,1489879873943.jpg,0BFfHIDJ6ujsEjVcVHYPRA==,US,,1495209966
126181400,126206010,2017-05-19 16:09:57,">>126205556
You keep avoiding the questions",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1495210197
126181400,126206042,2017-05-19 16:10:15,Good thread,,Anonymous,1454332.jpg,PqnPj3t3v1ST3MPXpekhyg==,RU,,1495210215
126181400,126206420,2017-05-19 16:13:27,">>126206010
ask a question thats not an /x/ tier conspiracy theory that the ayy lmaos memed up.
>>126206042
hows the vodka in your godless whore land russki?",,Anonymous,76548748548.png,PYXpl1I3FqP8KLyvGV8FfA==,US,,1495210407
126181400,126206611,2017-05-19 16:15:03,>>126182086,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495210503
126181400,126206656,2017-05-19 16:15:20,">>126206420
>proofs
>conspiracy theories",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1495210520
126181400,126206671,2017-05-19 16:15:29,">>126204990
i have absolutely no understanding of your post. you're only showing how ignorant you are to the entire conversation from my perspective. idk maybe you think i'm arguing that god doesnt exist or something? i don't see how you would get that from my posts but please do continue shitting up the board until summer ends",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495210529
126181400,126206690,2017-05-19 16:15:41,">>126181400
No atheist degenerates will be spared on the Day of the Rope. You will all be slaughtered painfully for abandoning your faith in Jesus Christ.",,Anonymous,DEUS VULT.jpg,cf4smjNyYEqm6hqa5Cy4vw==,GB,,1495210541
126181400,126206771,2017-05-19 16:16:27,">>126182086
You be gone, immoral fiend.",,Anonymous,empire1957-wallpaper.jpg,2fS+0PfhHUviL05pjM5i0g==,US,,1495210587
126181400,126206813,2017-05-19 16:16:46,">>126202194
If we are testing existence, it makes the most sense to set non-existence to be the null hypothesis, and existence to be the alternative hypothesis. A null hypothesis can never be accepted, nor can it be proven. It is merely the default assumption. When there is insufficient evidence to prove God is real, we say that we fail to reject the null hypothesis. That is to say, it is still possible that there is one, but there just isn't sufficient evidence to suggest this, so is more likely that there isn't one.
It's easy to see why we set the null hypothesis to non-existence if we merely replace God with any other type of entity with absurd characteristics. Can you prove that there isn't an invisible unicorn standing over your shoulder watching you read this sentence? Of course not! Should we make it the default assumption? I should hope not, since that would be absolutely silly.
This isn't a matter of proving a negative. You can't. That's not how hypothesis testing works. We don't accept that there is no God, we fail to reject that there is no God.
>>126202390
I have none. But as I have not seen any convincing evidence that there is one, I will stick to the default assumption.
>>126202396
Statistical hypothesis testing lies at the core of the scientific method.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495210606
126181400,126206860,2017-05-19 16:17:13,">>126206420
pure as tear of baby,
hate fucking summer, drop me to Antarctica, guess penguins still smarter than crazy theists",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1495210633
126181400,126207000,2017-05-19 16:18:36,">>126204639
as someone who seems like they have a decent mathematical understanding, your lack of understanding the simulation theory disturbs me desu
>>126204797
>>126204948
atheists are equally as cringe as christians",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495210716
126181400,126207038,2017-05-19 16:18:55,">>126205556
I'm Christian kike",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495210735
126181400,126207101,2017-05-19 16:19:23,">>126206671
I might have clicked on the wrong post, if so apologies.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495210763
126181400,126207251,2017-05-19 16:20:37,">>126206813
Blah, blah, blah, use big words, pretend to be insightful....
You don't KNOW what you purport, any more than I. 
That is all there is to it.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495210837
126181400,126207401,2017-05-19 16:21:54,">>126207251
But I DO know, atheists have killed more people, and invented the technologies, that have brought our planet to the brink.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495210914
126181400,126207597,2017-05-19 16:23:38,">>126206813
so your default assumption is that material reality doesn't exist? I don't see why you would think this way. this is why the scientific method isn't applicable to this discussion and your lack on understanding in this is why you ought to just kill yourself",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495211018
126181400,126207745,2017-05-19 16:25:03,">>126181400
Why worship a god when you can become one?",,Anonymous,1493169882364.jpg,8IQXWM8beVrY+Xd8VMYYyg==,CA,,1495211103
126181400,126207859,2017-05-19 16:26:04,">>126181630
I have never been so glad to be going to heaven.",,Anonymous,Argument-from-Beauty.jpg,30NdE5YThWhwpPO/V9q3mQ==,US,,1495211164
126181400,126208192,2017-05-19 16:29:05,">>126186003
RARE
A
R
E",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1495211345
126181400,126208303,2017-05-19 16:30:02,"Jesus predicted some AMAZING SHIT, all of it happening today.
The most obvious example of this, is one most miss: Jesus predicted Israel, which was a conquered nation, loathed by EVERYONE around, would rise to rule the world, through currency manipulation, when he whipped the moneychangers....and it is all coming true..
That is what is hilarious, Jesus predicted, all of the stuff, you morons sit around, pretending you figured it out yourselves....kek
From a one world currency, to the Illuminati/NWO.
You morons thinking you are woke=Best kekz ever.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495211402
126181400,126208394,2017-05-19 16:30:49,">>126207401
wasn't Oppenheimer Hindu though? idk i'd say he's going to be responsible for more deaths than anyone in history. He's probably going to be responsible for the death of all life on this planet really",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1495211449
126181400,126208423,2017-05-19 16:31:02,">>126204677
Deus Vult!",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1495211462
126181400,126208522,2017-05-19 16:31:46,">>126207745
I like how you think leaf
>>126207859
>Argument from Beauty.
>humans created the idea of beauty
>literally the dumbest theist argument in existence",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495211506
126181400,126208532,2017-05-19 16:31:51,">>126208303
How'd He do that shit, can someone tell me that?",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495211511
126181400,126208845,2017-05-19 16:34:40,">>126208394
I dunno if he was Hindu, I know he studied the vedas, and that is where many people say nuclear weapons come from. That the ideas are encoded in there. 
Hindus are VERY close to the hidden religion I am talking about anyways. The one the Illuminati follow.
They share many similarities.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495211680
126181400,126208977,2017-05-19 16:36:09,">>126208532
>>126208303
>>126208845
>>>/x/
>>>/x/
>>>/x/",,Anonymous,1421621517159.gif,FBx8zYZ22RxbvNcPNy9LoA==,US,,1495211769
126181400,126209081,2017-05-19 16:36:53,">>126207745
We already are, the concept of omnipotence implies that we are an inherent feature of God itself. In accordance with the cyclic nature of of the cosmos we will become increasingly powerful to the point of omnipotence only to manifest lesser beingd who in turn become increasingly powerful to the point of omnipotence only to manifest lesser beings who in turn become increasingly powerful to the point of omnipotence only to.....",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495211813
126181400,126209177,2017-05-19 16:37:37,">>126199431
Exhibit A",,Anonymous,you are not listening.jpg,mSoUOQCD8HYkcdoODVcLUA==,US,,1495211857
126181400,126209178,2017-05-19 16:37:37,>>126208303,,Anonymous,interinginsightyoungmancouldyoupleaseelaborate.jpg,MhW4GTtfxlGLtLwaSJyUlA==,NL,,1495211857
126181400,126209227,2017-05-19 16:38:04,"You guys ever talk with the angry religious protestors on your college campus? You know, the ""you're all going to hell for masturbating"" guys. Their mindset is fascinating to behold. Cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance are scary. There's no point in actually debating with them, of course. You won't change their mind and they won't change yours. But it's fun to stay and watch the people who take them seriously get offended.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495211884
126181400,126209233,2017-05-19 16:38:07,">>126208532
The secrets of the most hidden of anything first came from Jehovah. Before any existing being here in flesh or spirit ever learned a thing, Jehovah and Jesus are.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495211887
126181400,126209404,2017-05-19 16:39:47,>>126222222,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495211987
126181400,126209503,2017-05-19 16:40:30,">>126209233
I want an atheist, to explain it to me.
The ones professing to have all the answers.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495212030
126181400,126209608,2017-05-19 16:41:17,">>126209081
I'm thinking more on the lines of immortality, either through gene manipulation or machinery",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495212077
126181400,126209650,2017-05-19 16:41:34,">2 posts by OP's id
>dogshit-tier reddit outreach
I used to read the atheist/skeptic blogs until the atheism+ humanist faggots destroyed that community with their nattering and PC policing. they are literally part of the reason i moved further right. i'll be friends with a gay black muslim before i'll be friends with those leftwing atheist cocksuckers.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495212094
126181400,126209656,2017-05-19 16:41:36,">>126209081
Who is a god, that doesn't know the God of any god, Jehovah to even get Jehovah's permission to become anything likened unto the works of creation you see. Though Creator Jehovah may this may that, Jehovah and Jesus Christ are source.
Let there be light, point within the circle of reality, center point within mind, the big bang, etc, before all this, Father The Word (Jesus) and the spirit of God (Holy Spirit) are one. Thus through Christ we getr baptized likened unto the ways of John, and follow the Holy Bible the book that contains that which all seek.",,Anonymous,AE.png,MmALE0tIrQz/xNR4Vax/AQ==,CA,,1495212096
126181400,126209923,2017-05-19 16:43:53,">>126209608
but even after that we will achieve complete matter manipulation, capable of manifesting constructs seemingly out of nowhere such as Dyson spheres to harness the energy of stars. with that kind of power we would be able to manipulate reality at will, opening wormholes, transcending dimensions.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495212233
126181400,126209924,2017-05-19 16:43:53,">>126209503
They have no answers, an atheist is already dead. Can an atheist walk in nature, let's say a forest, along a path, or be on a boat on a private lake at night with the starts bright, and say in their heart, ""there is no God.""
?
Atheists are dead already. What manner of answers will you receive from their kind?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495212233
126181400,126210036,2017-05-19 16:44:58,">>126209503
>>126209503
>answers
>a sand nigger created a cult 2000 ago
>humans have been around for 200,000 years
>mfw",,Anonymous,1421539950668.png,0p/ny085Quvu2zUj9ndjdg==,US,,1495212298
126181400,126210180,2017-05-19 16:46:19,">>126181400
>God does NOT exist.
""That"" god doesn't. 
the other god, oh he exists.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1495212379
126181400,126210183,2017-05-19 16:46:20,">>126209924
I didn't want to say it, because they hate it so much, but it is our job to at least TRY convincing these hypocrites.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495212380
126181400,126210444,2017-05-19 16:48:31,">>126210036
And you follow a cult, created by a nigger, Neil Tyson, 2 years ago,,,wtf is your point stupid?
That my cult is older than yours, and yours JUST NOW, decided to believe what we have for 2,000 years?
Is that your point?
Cause that's all I heard.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495212511
126181400,126210450,2017-05-19 16:48:34,">>126210183
>>126209924
you mean its your job to proxy post and samefag this thread?
you fucking waste of air",,Anonymous,46654754788.gif,IqPaEA/LXGvGkHF7n/xnnQ==,US,,1495212514
126181400,126210549,2017-05-19 16:49:24,">>126209924
>Can an atheist walk in nature, let's say a forest, along a path, or be on a boat on a private lake at night with the starts bright, and say in their heart, ""there is no God.""
Yes, as I go hiking regularly. Nature and space are amazing but do not prove the existence of a god. Especially not your jewish volcano demon god. We have already defied your ""god' beyond anything before us yet we have not been wiped out by a flood, had frogs rain on us or any of that horseshit. Your cult has its uses in keeping niggers and genetic trash in check but any self respecting white man who believes in any of that garbage should be shot.",,Anonymous,7fff1d5c0e3c8cccb1e983308668f40bcce9a7d1.jpg,azwaBCbrPmgpLknlGrmPEQ==,CA,,1495212564
126181400,126210664,2017-05-19 16:50:22,">>126210444
black science man didn't create anything, he's a walking meme nothing more. Atheism has been around for a very long time",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495212622
126181400,126210709,2017-05-19 16:50:42,"Yup, it IS my job. Putin pays me any overtime I put in.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495212642
126181400,126210922,2017-05-19 16:52:33,">>126210664
Yessir, killing more people than all religions combined, and totally trashing the planet. 
LOOONG time. 
It is what the elites believe, while they sacrifice babies, and molest fucking kids.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495212753
126181400,126211048,2017-05-19 16:53:52,">>126210444
>hes really this dumb
> 2000 year old book vs 200,000 fucking years of human existence and pagan faiths based on nature
gee i wonder whose the retard here
>>126210922
>more fucking /x/ tier garbage",,Anonymous,1448557959090.jpg,BO6sxc5CWt1IcNItIlYB8g==,US,,1495212832
126181400,126211126,2017-05-19 16:54:34,">>126210664
And it does not matter, I am following you guys' rules, not mine...everything any atheist believes, or does, you are ALL responsible for. 
Don't try to change the rules now pussies.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495212874
126181400,126211267,2017-05-19 16:55:35,">>126209178
Can you prove free will exists? If not, how am I supposed to believe in God?",,Anonymous,3151351.gif,q2fRky7qDGscoyWTrRY+/w==,NL,,1495212935
126181400,126211269,2017-05-19 16:55:37,">>126210922
I'm proud to hold the high score then, but I'm sure you have some actual quality sources to prove your point? I would have to give the high score to mudslimes. If you're counting Stalin, people weren't killed in the name of atheism, but in the name of Communism.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495212937
126181400,126211428,2017-05-19 16:56:54,"Whether you believe in God or not, religion is important to preserve a society. Why would you want to push things that will lead to its destruction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywTljZW87dI",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495213014
126181400,126211470,2017-05-19 16:57:15,">>126199820
>just because regressive opinions often overlap with atheism doesn't mean that atheism on it's own is bad.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495213035
126181400,126211494,2017-05-19 16:57:27,">>126211048
200,000 years of WHAT? Do you really think paganism was somehow better or different?
Do you think the religious people 200,000 years ago, had a CHOICE whether they believed what the rest of the clan did? Retard.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495213047
126181400,126211738,2017-05-19 16:59:38,">>126211269
Communism, and the USSR, was officially atheist, you fucktard.
High score in WHAT? Being WRONG, and getting humiliated by me?
Congrats!! You win!!!",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495213178
126181400,126211746,2017-05-19 16:59:41,">>126183364
niga u retarded",,Sage lvl 81,1494606416861.png,US7CrMFyvfOx5H2zoJZpnQ==,IL,,1495213181
126181400,126211778,2017-05-19 16:59:58,">>126211470
Why the fuck did i put a memetext arrow in there?
I shouldn't post here after not sleeping for 40 hours.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1495213198
126181400,126211874,2017-05-19 17:00:52,">>126211428
>what is japan
>>126211494
>200,000 of what.
thats the point faggot
that 200,000 years of what
proves that all faith is fucking pointless",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495213252
126181400,126212032,2017-05-19 17:02:04,">>126211874
That makes zero sense bro.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495213324
126181400,126212207,2017-05-19 17:03:35,">>126210549
God IS nature, God IS space, God is everything. Omnipotence is a concept you should really try and understand. Those trees in the forest where you go hiking are raw expressions of cosmic power on reality. Note how nature is all fractal. A tree is the impression the raw universe makes on material reality, in the same way spandex stretched over a large rock will take the form of the rock and it's intricacies material reality takes the form of the underlying universal constant, also known as God.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495213415
126181400,126212776,2017-05-19 17:08:11,">>126212207
Here we are, having deep debates, and here comes this dude, talking about rocks and spandex. That's some gay shit dude. 
We are all dumber, for having read that. 
The Force be with you.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495213691
126181400,126212835,2017-05-19 17:08:41,">>126208522
I'm not taking shit from a leaf.
But I will give you that not everyone gets argument from beauty. You either see it or you don't",,Anonymous,intelligent_design.jpg,f0z+XmJ1oA+u/3bNZ8PzaQ==,US,,1495213721
126181400,126212888,2017-05-19 17:09:08,">>126200540
Nietzsche did not call for the re-instatement of religion. He did not believe in god either. He basically said it is impossible for society to revert to a religious state because we have killed god through reason, the only way forward is to become ubermenschen.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495213748
126181400,126212899,2017-05-19 17:09:14,">>126212776
good to know you are retarded and can't understand analogies, anything else you'd like to let us know about yourself?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1495213754
126181400,126213253,2017-05-19 17:12:15,">>126212207
thats a pagans/Buddhism/Shinto definition of a god not Christianity's idea anon. that more goes along with atheism theme i guess though.
>>126212835
>what is the Recurrent Laryngeal Nerve
>intelligent design 
hehahahahahaha",,Anonymous,3546467375437.jpg,kzl/03aDzLPCuQ8NY75a1A==,US,,1495213935
126181400,126213419,2017-05-19 17:13:43,">>126210922
>>126211738
Who gives a fuck about the planet you fucking nature worshipping faggot. The planet is not eternal anyways. What matters is how humanity transcends into godhood through science and technology. The earth is not special, it is in fact likely a dime a dozen. And communism did not kill people in the NAME OF ATHEISM, it killed people for COMMUNIST reasons, it had nothing to do with them not believing in god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495214023
126181400,126213471,2017-05-19 17:14:10,">>126212776
btw, Star Wars, is MORE propaganda about the religion of Freemasonry, that most of you now worship unawares...well I guess SOME are aware of it.
Yoda, is a Masonic Demon, they summon, to give them the power to control the masses, with the force.
The whole movies, is an analogy, to this old hidden religion, It is the Egyptian story of Osiris, coming from the stars. They REALLY believe this shit.
The Old Religion, from a galaxy far far away, long long ago.
You've all been indoctrinated into Satanism, in one form or another.
Even some of you claiming to be Christians.",,Weaponized Cartman,,,US,,1495214050
126215903,126215903,2017-05-19 17:35:21,"Let's spread the true redpill: God does NOT exist.
Links:
>Report Christians violating your rights at:
https://ffrf.org/legal/report
>Support and defend your rights at:
https://www.atheists.org/
>Learn about atheism at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
>7 groups atheists can turn to in times of need
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/25/7_groups_atheists_can_turn_to_in_times_of_need_partner/
>The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/
>1-800-DOUBTS: A new helpline for troubled atheists
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/27/living/atheist-hot-line-help-line/
Add more links in the thread. Let's organize and influence the state for the betterment of mankind. People from all over the world are welcome to post with the exception of:
>oppressors (christians, muslims, jews, etc.)
>trolls and closed minded people
>agnostics who still think the fairy tales may be real
COPY & PASTE THIS IN CASE YOU DON'T SEE AN /ag/ THREAD.",/ag/ ATHEISM GENERAL #2,Anonymous,C94zvXwXkAQxkBD.jpg,YvPS4CesmtFxDo4DpCcJGg==,US,,1495215321
126215903,126216044,2017-05-19 17:36:43,,,Anonymous,richard-dawkinss-quotes-1.jpg,50HuvPEQy3R4vj0bAZgXcw==,US,,1495215403
126215903,126216260,2017-05-19 17:38:40,Bumping for an atheist /pol/,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495215520
126215903,126216310,2017-05-19 17:39:10,bump,,Anonymous,1428275787708.gif,jCGHROE9eMgcg3HKGRRq1g==,US,,1495215550
126215903,126216603,2017-05-19 17:41:46,>>126215903,,Anonymous,IMG_3616.jpg,wtiUnVkGnpIdKuYT4BQ5OQ==,US,,1495215706
126215903,126216691,2017-05-19 17:42:33,">>126215903
>Report Christians violating your rights at:
how the fuck would Christians do that? Guys who do violations are muslims and sometimes hippies
also you guys are dumb as fuck, God is real",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1495215753
126215903,126216783,2017-05-19 17:43:23,">pretend to be christian
>actually atheist because its better to believe that we are alone, instead of believing that some deity condemned my mother to a slow, agonizing death due to illness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495215803
126215903,126216788,2017-05-19 17:43:26,">mfw atheist who realized atheism is the biggest bluepill
how do i get saved",,Anonymous,1490559918843.png,4SEje0mIoqrfn89ETIxRbQ==,US,,1495215806
126215903,126216792,2017-05-19 17:43:28,">>126215903
Friendly reminder to sage all liberal b& threads",,Anonymous,,,IS,,1495215808
126215903,126218197,2017-05-19 17:55:33,">>126216603
We can't increase your IQ, so I hope you find solace in your delusions.
Religious people should be gassed.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1495216533
126215903,126218416,2017-05-19 17:57:13,">>126215903
>That nose",,Anonymous,IMG_02022017_193113.png,ir4pC+w3cFFMH+BG4JfRNg==,US,,1495216633
126215903,126218662,2017-05-19 17:59:21,">>126216788
Go to the Church, Roman Catholic of Eastern Orthodox, everything else is garbage, talk with priest
he will tell you everything you need to know
Religion is fun if you do it right",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1495216761
126215903,126218774,2017-05-19 18:00:12,">""Believing in G-d is just for stupid people I mean come on who actually believes in a magic sky daddy :^) But don't you fucking DARE try and say ISLAM is a false religion, you fucking Islamophobic bigot! And Jews are special and precious, you can't say anything bad about them either you fucking Nazi! And the Hindu religion is so pure and ethnic and hip, they're more connected to the Earth than you'll ever be you capitalist polluter. And don't say African tribalism is wrong because...""",,Anonymous,JUICE D AND C.jpg,Le+2qvdA6hXkqqjB25colw==,US,,1495216812
126215903,126219380,2017-05-19 18:05:25,">>126216783
>""hey anon why dont you believe in God?""
>""MY MOTHER DIED WAAAAAAAAAA""
The only thing that makes me doubt God is the fact that he lets worthless emos like you exist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495217125
126215903,126220829,2017-05-19 18:17:56,"I used to be a good christian methodist boy. Got through bible study, became a sunday school teacher. Funny thing was it wasn't till then that I started to notice that God wasn't all loving. Started to ACTUALLY read the bible cover to cover (Which we never did in bible study) and I discovered that God is a massive throbbing cunt. His laws and practice were barbaric and his followers were self serving war-lords. Jesus's story has multiple contradicting stories so that his closest followers could not agree on the time of day he was resurrected. Asking too many questions got me kicked out of the church, lost me my job, and I've never felt welcome to a church ever since I read the bible.",,Anonymous,bible-contradictions-poster.png,vdBandL6zU7sJOh2hKiESw==,US,,1495217876
126215903,126221302,2017-05-19 18:21:49,"Fucking redditors, literal fucking invasive weed species.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1495218109
126215903,126221421,2017-05-19 18:22:47,>having a thread to discuss not believing in something,,Anonymous,,,US,,1495218167
146246466,146246466,2017-10-22 12:02:00,">tfw entire family goes to church about 30 minutes ago
>mfw I didn't
This is your reminder that god is not real. This thread is to discuss atheism and agnosticism, and to ridicule religion.
Christcucks and other religious people are allowed, of course, but be warned that you won't be believers for long. It's a common misconception that realizing there is no god will make someone a leftist, however some of the most influential figures in right wing ideology have evolved past primitive theism. Nietzsche, the man who coined the term ""ubermensch,"" for example.
>inb4 edgelord who stil lives with parents
I'm home for my uni's fall break, and I'm a STEM major :^)",Atheism General,Anonymous,atheists btfo.png,Vq5Rod7GeGtytNSouvMyhw==,US,,1508673720
146294362,146294362,2017-10-22 19:48:15,"What is atheism? Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less. That cannot be degenerate.
This proves ""Degenerate Atheism"" is just another (((christian))) lie. It only exists in their mind. Some of the most anti immigrant countries are highly atheist.
http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/losing-their-religion-these-are-the-world-s-most-atheistic-countries
http://archive.fo/zaOGw
Atheism is not only older than Christianity but also truly European. The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism
http://archive.fo/J5Dw6
Pro-White Atheists and Pagans strongly united against (((christians))),Jews and mudslimes.
https://www.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
http://archive.fo/AoXmv",Atheism General /AG/,narrative deconstructor,I said pagans are fags - believe me and worship my jew God with based Tyrone.gif,pdQ2woMo8ItKSy6YqDnUJw==,,,1508701695
146294362,146294836,2017-10-22 19:53:07,"We 2013 now!
You fedorafags tried your shit then and it didn't work.
But I applaud your use of the newfags.",,Anonymous,1408910590975.gif,0F4i34krHUGrKssaG68FUA==,CA,,1508701987
146294362,146294848,2017-10-22 19:53:20,">>146294362
List of pro white atheists and agnostics:
Alex Linder
Ben Klassen
Commander Rockwell
Craig Cobb
Dr. Kevin MacDonald
Dr. William Luther Pierce
Matt Hale
Revilo Oliver
Tom Metzger",,narrative deconstructor,1505077530730.jpg,OOZbz0qQBV5OSN7SBpkADQ==,,,1508702000
146294362,146295140,2017-10-22 19:56:19,">>146294836
>muh fedora",,narrative deconstructor,1496011598693.png,EvVPdXtsEAUpOdFNrtKmpw==,,,1508702179
146294362,146295245,2017-10-22 19:57:18,">>146294362
sage",,Anonymous,AtheistsAndJews.gif,myXMydZVMXuxD0KvgVygBw==,US,,1508702238
146294362,146295382,2017-10-22 19:58:51,"atheism isn't even a meme anymore
its just for british fops at this point.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508702331
146294362,146295537,2017-10-22 20:00:31,">>146294848
>Thinks agnostics count as atheists.",,Anonymous,AtheistGodBox.jpg,utEFBbThJ/6bMelV+gr3KA==,US,,1508702431
146294362,146295579,2017-10-22 20:00:56,,,Anonymous,1507767334820.jpg,eahIZgzoRBWZnJGa66YpcA==,US,,1508702456
146294362,146295795,2017-10-22 20:03:18,">>146294362
Atheism is the default. It can include a ""rejection"" of god, but is essentially just a lack of belief. ""Rejection"" assumes moral objection. In its base form, atheism is only the lack of belief in god. this can be simply due to never hearing about god to begin with. Religious people always like to say that atheists are rebels against religion, which isn't the case. That statement assumes religion is credible, which is not a view shared by atheists. I, an atheist, don't give credibility to paganism either. Does that mean I'm rebelling against paganism? No. I simply don't believe in it. The ""rejection"" of god could be judged as being degenerate, but only by those that accept religious authority. Logically, atheism caused by a lack of exposure, lack of popular influence or even just the lack of belief shouldn't be judged degenerate, but religious people aren't logical.
Atheism isn't European, but it is oder than any religion. Until the first men feared the first volcano enough to sacrifice something to it, everyone was atheist. It is simply an objective classification, nothing more. 
Note in case it needs to be spelled out, the first atheist wasn't greek; it was the first man to be aware of himself without having superstition. It was probably named ""atheism"" by a greek, though. The first sentient men wouldn't have had a term for a state of lack of belief.
Anger and subjectivity only surround atheism due to the religious. Otherwise, it's just a classification that wouldn't even need a word if religion didn't exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508702598
146294362,146296025,2017-10-22 20:05:40,">>146295579
>Ignores 2000 years of the brightest white men in the world pondering the deep issues of Christian theology.
>Pretends the whole time they were just saying over and over, ""The bible is true because it says it is.""",,Anonymous,JesusReallyRoseFromTheDead.jpg,U/Ao/JVq548ifU6OUbtpaA==,US,,1508702740
146294362,146296145,2017-10-22 20:06:44,">>146295795
>The first sentient men wouldn't have had a term for a state of lack of belief...
...in nonsensical bullshit that had yet to be invented by man. 
I had to correct my own sentence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508702804
146294362,146296266,2017-10-22 20:08:00,">>146295795
This is juvenile and uninformed. You should read instead of assume you know about history and ancient culture. If you had a lick of a clue you would actually share some information rather than ramble sophomoric.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508702880
146294362,146296270,2017-10-22 20:08:04,">>146295795
>Atheism is the default, just like reverse is the default position for an automobile transmission.
Ever heard of ""neutral""?",,Anonymous,AtheistReligionOfDenial.jpg,t1qiFL9hxCFA5oumS3GnIw==,US,,1508702884
146294362,146296341,2017-10-22 20:08:44,">>146294362
Atheism is not inherently anti white and pro jew like Christianity. I have no problem with pro white atheists who at least appreciate Pagan culture.",,Chad Pagan,quote-we-used-to-hate-and-destroy-one-another-and-refused-to-associate-with-people-of-another-justin-martyr-85-85-56.jpg,rK76+L7Jd857BtcNSufRMg==,,,1508702924
146294362,146296464,2017-10-22 20:10:01,">>146294362
The Christian Religion as we know today was constructed by the Romans. 
And Jesus wasn't a Jew as Jews didn't exist then. Talmud wasn't even written and the Temple still stood.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703001
146294362,146296507,2017-10-22 20:10:31,">>146296025
People who ponder theology have an agenda. Many of them (the ones you probably read, anyway) default to arguments FOR religion, but it goes both ways. For 2,000 years, others have argued against it, but you wouldn't have read their words.
Regardless, no number of years of people arguing anything has ever been proof of anything; it's all just opinions reinforcing opinions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703031
146294362,146296514,2017-10-22 20:10:33,">>146296145
I'm trying to picture what it's like to literally be so stupid that you believe the very first humans starved to death because it was the default for them to assume no objects are edible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703033
146294362,146296558,2017-10-22 20:10:59,">>146296025
>The executions of the apostles
They weren't real. They're made up, and evidence of their existence is fabricated.
>People seeing the risen (((Rabbi Yeshua))) was not a hallucination
Did not happen either. If Jews can mass fabricate an event like the (((Holocaust))), then they could also do something like this. The ""gospels"" weren't written until several decades after the ""life"" of (((Rabbi Yeshua)))",,Anonymous,1506707386877.png,5M9BMZs71n/OmDNTrDwHvQ==,US,,1508703059
146294362,146296708,2017-10-22 20:12:35,">>146294836
LOL! Noob thinks atheism is only ayncap!",,Anonymous,engels.jpg,n1FL9K7k0nb9nzzLEgjG0g==,US,,1508703155
146294362,146296766,2017-10-22 20:13:11,">>146296558
The Jews fucking hated Jesus and put him to death. His original teachings don't exactly lend themselves to organized state religion OR getting shekles.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703191
146294362,146296853,2017-10-22 20:14:03,">>146294362
it's official the US is part of latin America as whole, at least we got a huge portion of the land on Earth. RIght?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703243
146294362,146296959,2017-10-22 20:15:05,">>146295245
Well I for one dislike (((christianity))) for being an white jewish sect which is now also the forerunner of multiculturalism and race mixing.",,narrative deconstructor,1504582014341.jpg,f2RGFL81Baq5PH6xqgPA2g==,,,1508703305
146294362,146297105,2017-10-22 20:16:31,">>146296766
The Jews hate Jesus, but they also hate the gentiles (us- or at least, me; you're probably a kike) and need some kind of way to satiate them and make them subservient and passive. Thus, they created Christianity and a fictional Rabbi Yeshua that cucks could bow down to. The Jews do not like Christianity themselves, in the way that you do not like the garbage in your trash can, but it is nonetheless necessary.",,Anonymous,1506708040698.jpg,Nb4erdeUwjZiBQAdPHTPTw==,US,,1508703391
146294362,146297143,2017-10-22 20:16:53,"by saying ""rejection of god"" you're making it sound as if there is something to reject
it's more like ""rejection of the idea of there being a god""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703413
146294362,146297201,2017-10-22 20:17:25,">>146296341
Welcome!",,narrative deconstructor,4140d9f335b9cebc1324a3893ece078c.jpg,QUDZ8zW5zrwTJKOJPs4HjA==,,,1508703445
146294362,146297241,2017-10-22 20:17:44,">>146296270
I'm not sure where you got that quote, but it smells like shit. It's also incorrect. There is no default position for all automatic transmissions. In fact, the default position of nearly every automatic transmission is, in fact, neutral, as no mechanical coupling can be achieved without clutch plate engagement pressure, and the default position of all automotive components are those assumed in a static position. You can't even say that the default position is ""park,"" as not all automatic transmissions have a park pawl. As one who has rebuilt many automatic transmissions, and has extensive theory of how automatic transmissions work crammed into my head, even for models I've never had apart, I laugh at your analogy. 
Also, atheism IS neutral. It's only not so as observed by triggered religious types.
Please try to know what you're talking about before you start typing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703464
146294362,146297541,2017-10-22 20:20:36,">>146295245
Keep praying a fucking kike on a stick, a kikesicle",,Based Leaf,,,CA,,1508703636
146294362,146297567,2017-10-22 20:20:51,">>146296514
I'm trying to picture what it's like to be so stupid that you believe that you have valid insights. The first sentient men would have had eons of experience eating the food that has always been there for them. You assume men just ""appeared"", like it says in that book.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508703651
146294362,146297701,2017-10-22 20:22:12,">>146295537
>Lack of faith is a religion
Utah education?",,Based Leaf,,,CA,,1508703732
146294362,146297702,2017-10-22 20:22:13,">>146294362
>Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less. That cannot be degenerate
Are you retarded,that's a gateway to degeneracy.",,Anonymous,22310488_1081413678628567_2044147958970400734_n.jpg,t6G8Emyj3oU2PZmdId74uQ==,,,1508703733
146294362,146298193,2017-10-22 20:27:16,>>146294362,,Anonymous,welfare.jpg,R2Jy0k+ffu+wJpSsps2efw==,US,,1508704036
146294362,146298245,2017-10-22 20:27:49,">>146294362
>What is atheism?
A satanist cult
>Rejction of god
Exactly.
>That cannot be degenerate.
It is promoting degeneracy.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1508704069
146294362,146298314,2017-10-22 20:28:33,">>146297105
At this point in time it can certainly be argued Christianity is controlled by the Jews, but it certainly wasn't historically.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508704113
146294362,146298316,2017-10-22 20:28:33,">>146297702
No, degeneracy is caused of individual actions",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1508704113
146294362,146298352,2017-10-22 20:28:55,">>146298316
*By",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1508704135
146294362,146298538,2017-10-22 20:30:58,,,Anonymous,chart.jpg,nfZJb/Ngp+ZkDrHRFOMeaw==,US,,1508704258
146294362,146298614,2017-10-22 20:31:46,">>146298314
>Jesus was a Jew
>Paul was a Jew
>Early Christians were Jews
>Christianity is literally an offshoot of Judaism",,Anonymous,1506713854459.jpg,mvaaXLh5pl4viXaUW27Zcw==,US,,1508704306
146294362,146298636,2017-10-22 20:31:57,">>146294362
You, personally, are an atheist because you don't want there to be a god, because you don't like the idea. Sure you can find plenty of evidence to support your belief, and any evidence to the contrary is easy to dismiss, but ultimately you believe what you want to, then find support for it after you made your decision.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508704317
146294362,146298852,2017-10-22 20:34:11,,,Anonymous,1505003157822.jpg,9m0oPhun8sdmoGL8lKhI6g==,US,,1508704451
146294362,146298905,2017-10-22 20:34:38,">>146296766
Jews didn't kill your Jew God. Romans did. Let me explain:
""Galatians 3:28 King James Version (KJV)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.""
You see this verse right here, sounds like some new world order shit for even today's standard. Now imagine saying this in front of a Pagan Roman emperor. No wonder (((christ))) was crucified.
Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians:
The originator of the name Christ was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and ""Though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea which was the origin of this evil but also through the city of Rome to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated.""
http://www.westmont.edu/~fisk/articles/TacitusAndPlinyOnTheEarlyChristians.html
http://archive.is/v3vXu",,narrative deconstructor,Pliny the Younger.jpg,0/dHrFsVplJ2Et4C/IOaXw==,,,1508704478
146294362,146299161,2017-10-22 20:37:01,">>146296558
There's more evidence that Jesus existed than there is that Darwin existed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508704621
146294362,146299373,2017-10-22 20:39:11,">>146299161
Then present it.
I'll wait.",,Anonymous,1508603191224.png,R6ayKBAabOw1FAumDdOBKw==,US,,1508704751
146294362,146299403,2017-10-22 20:39:28,"Europe is Christian
>Conquers the entire fucking world
>The greatest place in the history of mankind
1910 Europe: 94.5% Christian
1933 Europe: 82.9% Christian
1960 Europe 75.0 Christian
2017 Europe: Not Even Christian
Decline of Christianity = Increase in Degeneracy
Increase of Atheism = Increase of Degeneracy
Quit being a fucking degenerate, almost ALL atheists are leftists.",,Anonymous,1505521866253.jpg,Jw/BLIxqnnMRK+RNymVymg==,US,,1508704768
146294362,146299497,2017-10-22 20:40:29,>>146297702,,narrative deconstructor,1503519848279.png,38SmhscCkdfBSbi5mnjSqA==,,,1508704829
146294362,146299714,2017-10-22 20:42:38,">>146299403
Roman Empire: Pinaccle of the world.
Roman Empire is Christian: collapse.
Medieval Europe is Christian: being a general shithole, overrun by Muslim conquests.
Renessance (rebirth of secualr and Pagan values) Europe:Pinnacle of the world.
Resurgence of Christianity (Victorian age and moral Crusaders) in Europe: ...",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1508704958
146294362,146299884,2017-10-22 20:44:12,">>146299403
Christianity is well alive in Europe (pic related). Jewish money and Christcucks who prostitute themselves are the two greatest evils responsible for the collapse of Pagan Europe.",,narrative deconstructor,1508364429729.png,wHT/NBuPV+jGy9Jnvd3mgQ==,,,1508705052
146294362,146299999,2017-10-22 20:45:31,">>146298905
Nice copypasta.
Jews killed Jesus
Mara Bar-Serapion talked about people killing wise men, and talked talk about how ""The Jews killed their Wise King""
14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705131
146294362,146300016,2017-10-22 20:45:40,">>146297201
>but this is a Christian nation, founding fathers wuz Christians
I can honestly forgive the left for focusing their hate on Christianity, you retards are what they've dealt with most of their lives. But now we must shift their sights to all religions, prioritizing ISLAM because they are worse by far.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705140
146294362,146300261,2017-10-22 20:48:02,">>146294362
t. Christian larping as atheist, didn't even get the definition right. Crucify yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705282
146294362,146300388,2017-10-22 20:49:28,">Christianity was at its peak influence in Europe
>Europe controlled and conquered the entire world, and lead the way in all science and culture
>Most people marry as virgins and go on to have 5-10 children per family
>Homosexuality and other degeneracy is punished with the death penalty according to Mosaic Law
>Ethno-nationalism was at its absolute peak
>Europe becomes atheist; Christianity is at its weakest point in 2000 years
>Europe is the laughing stock of the world, and leads the way in faggotry, pedophilia, bestiality, transvestism, and cuckoldry in lieu of any culture. Scientific breakthroughs now consist of how to advance transvestite surgery to children.
>Nobody is marrying or having families anymore; birthrates are in free fall
>Ethno-nationalism is at its lowest point; Europe embraces multiculturalism and wide open borders; niggers and pakis flood the continent and rape women by the thousands everyday
Hmmmmmm............really makes you think.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705368
146294362,146300487,2017-10-22 20:50:24,>>146296341,,Anonymous,JustinMartyMisquoteOnRacismAndJews.jpg,MwKeHM/+AbAIJHtpw08+FQ==,US,,1508705424
146294362,146300509,2017-10-22 20:50:36,I thought Atheism was dead,,Anonymous,,,SE,,1508705436
146294362,146300566,2017-10-22 20:51:03,">>146299999
Quints confirmed that the Jews killed Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705463
146294362,146300675,2017-10-22 20:52:17,">>146296558
What is it like to be so entirely uneducated and have no desire at all to improve your understanding?
The bible uses the word ""Jew"" for three entirely different ideas. Morons like you don't understand the difference.",,Anonymous,JewsWereNotTheHebrews.jpg,iEEHSwyUpMtqNZQrbctsGg==,US,,1508705537
146294362,146300682,2017-10-22 20:52:23,,,Anonymous,__izayoi_sakuya_touhou_drawn_by_tajima_yuuki__sample-0b5f4ebe8d8d18e916bd6aefa9514e59.jpg,aA/UJ66ZfjfwmVChMSHZ1A==,,,1508705543
146294362,146300747,2017-10-22 20:53:06,>>146300682,,Anonymous,__toosaka_rin_fate_stay_night_and_fate_series_drawn_by_asle__440d8694dbf2de498132e55f680256c8.jpg,eMw+lCBi8h0+txo38Un3DA==,,,1508705586
146294362,146300780,2017-10-22 20:53:24,">>146296959
You sure are quick to do exactly what the kikes want you to do.",,Anonymous,Christianity2000Years.jpg,J6L+9OYOblfhiZnkr+83rQ==,US,,1508705604
146294362,146300808,2017-10-22 20:53:41,>>146300747,,Anonymous,__tokisaki_kurumi_date_a_live_drawn_by_asle__3c2fec58b58a47b8cca73363d2bc17c1.jpg,+XWPpbAZ8ig89kfoKpxooQ==,,,1508705621
146294362,146300841,2017-10-22 20:53:53,">>146300016
I kinda agree with what you wrote. And yeah founding fathers weren't pro (((christian))) at all. They were redpilled on Christ-insanity. Like all the great civilization (Greek and Roman civilization) western civilization was also created by white men. Their soul was still Pagan when they created it.
Before Christianity, people naturally associated with their race. Christianity changed all that. It made people reject their ethnic and racial identity in favour of a purely religious identity.
White guilt has Christian roots , and the Anti-Whites who think they are secular are even more zealous about Christian moralism (i.e. self-sacrifice) than those who continue to practice it as a religion.
Christianity teaches that a Black Christian is exactly as good as white Christian and a white infidel is subhuman. Christianity has been telling the white man everyone is equal in the eyes of the god. The left is the most Christian whether they admit it or not.",,narrative deconstructor,flier-a-catholic-conversation-on-race-religion-and-the-march-on-washington-08-25-13-1.jpg,f/hlVC9oi8D2jnZhWWrLHw==,,,1508705633
146294362,146300887,2017-10-22 20:54:15,>>146300808,,Anonymous,__jaguar_kemono_friends_drawn_by_nksk__sample-859dfc0e2bf2a34b8175a67a238d0677.jpg,LZa519xx5AMKvWsSRnRLaQ==,,,1508705655
146294362,146300918,2017-10-22 20:54:35,Why do atheists care so much about what other people believe?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705675
146294362,146300930,2017-10-22 20:54:41,>>146300887,,Anonymous,__amatsukaze_and_shimakaze_drawn_by_takanashi_kei_hitsujikan__sample-ef4e1815bdf5e587b13e1a7269beceeb.jpg,rF26RmgrPxdM7W7vsJqL1Q==,,,1508705681
146294362,146300962,2017-10-22 20:54:57,">>146299999
wait what book is that from?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705697
146294362,146300992,2017-10-22 20:55:09,>>146300930,,Anonymous,__hamakaze_and_kashima_kantai_collection_drawn_by_tako_seijin__9dbfce0cba9ae535bde070afd7ebbd68.jpg,x2Yb4ZcOEsnqVvebGkEQbw==,,,1508705709
146294362,146301021,2017-10-22 20:55:25,">>146300887
Thank you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705725
146294362,146301065,2017-10-22 20:55:53,>>146300992,,Anonymous,__angela_balzac_rakuen_tsuihou_drawn_by_kawakami_rokkaku__sample-2e4 panq 8131a418.jpg,aFD8LPXDEIjvqnlB+7UVzw==,,,1508705753
146294362,146301081,2017-10-22 20:56:01,">>146294362
reject god
reject the foundation of human progress
reject humanity
rejects",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1508705761
146294362,146301149,2017-10-22 20:56:40,>>146301065,,Anonymous,__kiyoshimo_kantai_collection_drawn_by_kawakami_rokkaku__sample-185fbc43761122df3eb1051f857cb27f.jpg,zW64SVAXNYTlqEFuQtiUPg==,,,1508705800
146294362,146301169,2017-10-22 20:56:50,">>146299999
These quints have gone unchecked for too long",,Anonymous,1507898665231.png,Rf2ba63+6eef03sDOiYbZg==,US,,1508705810
146294362,146301215,2017-10-22 20:57:11,">>146298614
>I'm too stupid to understand that the definitions of words change over several thousand years.
Bad news for you, faggot. The world ""GIRL"" literally used to mean a young person of either gender. A ""COMPUTER"" used to be a human being who did long-hand arithmetic for money. And a ""Jew"" in the New Testament usually means only that the person in question was a citizen of the nation of Judea regardless of race, just like ""Texan"" means a person living in Texas even if they are a nigger.
Grow the fuck up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705831
146294362,146301230,2017-10-22 20:57:19,>>146301149,,Anonymous,__yakumo_yukari_touhou_drawn_by_at_classics__f9d44e928065b0fa4b9e3f652ed56eec.jpg,+dROkoBlsPpLnj9lLtVu7A==,,,1508705839
146294362,146301294,2017-10-22 20:57:55,>>146301230,,Anonymous,3f18e83adabdfffb039b42445b70f63c.jpg,lbzx9mTkyHJ0YitQLyv4QA==,,,1508705875
146294362,146301349,2017-10-22 20:58:23,">>146294362
lmao fucking nice meme",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508705903
146294362,146301352,2017-10-22 20:58:24,>>146301294,,Anonymous,__taihou_kantai_collection_drawn_by_pestxsan__c4ec52d9792213292da3aab48fd28795.jpg,K0dSzJiNNjF5Rn0QXbno3A==,,,1508705904
146294362,146301409,2017-10-22 20:59:02,>>146301352,,Anonymous,__prinz_eugen_kantai_collection_drawn_by_pestxsan__sample-cac0379f261096e66e59ade95886c677.jpg,VOIsU28IFxInujz7PLV9CA==,,,1508705942
146294362,146301531,2017-10-22 21:00:05,>>146301409,,Anonymous,00b61d658642e80f10bdc3d588e7cba3.jpg,7C4QC22nqtpzVLfipCG+4g==,,,1508706005
146294362,146301644,2017-10-22 21:00:59,>>146301531,,Anonymous,__nitta_minami_idolmaster_and_idolmaster_cinderella_girls_drawn_by_takahirokun__sample-790dd4df652677c4c292bdbc7a0cecaf.jpg,IrI006SUFVeXR+k8vg+h7A==,,,1508706059
146294362,146301653,2017-10-22 21:01:06,">what is atheism
>simply the rejection of objective truth, objective morals, objective meaning and objective purpose in life
>simply an incoherent worldview that can't account for creation or human existence
>simply creations rejecting their creator and thus deluding themselves
>that's it! it's not degenerate! also gay sex is fine, just two consenting adults ;)
WOW GREAT HOW DO I BECOME AN IDIOT ?",,Anonymous,1507435524296.jpg,M+hl+CZRv7mVR7C/S8/FCQ==,,,1508706066
146294362,146301752,2017-10-22 21:01:59,>>146301644,,Anonymous,__takanashi_hikari_demi_chan_wa_kataritai_drawn_by_ataruman__sample-ef694af7f2ed1c71eece8c367df64151.jpg,15JACNNZI/BRpbeoWhhm0g==,,,1508706119
146294362,146301851,2017-10-22 21:03:05,>>146301752,,Anonymous,__drawn_by_tsliuyixin__sample-8c9926a722b3978e9ef74ac292a13e0e.jpg,fumXcShxIK79g3F65P3WPQ==,,,1508706185
146294362,146301899,2017-10-22 21:03:36,">>146301653
14 year old fedoras dont realize if you reject God you simply put man in place of him, so man becomes the arbiter of right and wrong, good and bad, true and false, so then you get abominations like trannies and drug addict niggers and abortionists and pedophiles and communists and richard dawkins",,Anonymous,,,,,1508706216
146294362,146301993,2017-10-22 21:04:26,>>146301851,,Anonymous,__yame_yukana_hajimete_no_gal_drawn_by_joy_ride__sample-3d58c6896d54227e23e675c04505212e.jpg,xGlOcVSviFfAyBYfDOn49w==,,,1508706266
146294362,146302078,2017-10-22 21:05:12,>>146301993,,Anonymous,__fujimaru_ritsuka_fate_grand_order_and_fate_series_drawn_by_akahito__b6288b39278d93f90b2191b25e03ce1b.jpg,///C7tCzRnjANN1pE0mgmQ==,,,1508706312
146294362,146302088,2017-10-22 21:05:15,">atheism thread
>full of degeneracy already",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1508706315
146294362,146302155,2017-10-22 21:05:54,>>146302078,,Anonymous,__tanya_degurechaff_youjo_senki_drawn_by_sekina__sample-2f185a7890b6b013d57fd1997ec34c39.jpg,yQkvt//udRZpWMEZ2OXueQ==,,,1508706354
146294362,146302353,2017-10-22 21:07:53,">>146296270
That's like saying everyone has a favorite flavor of ice cream, even those who hate ice cream.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508706473
146294362,146302421,2017-10-22 21:08:36,">>146298636
There is zero evidence to support religion. 
You weren't talking to me, but I'm not atheist because I'm rebelling against an idea I just don't like. I don't believe because it's illogical and silly. I can imagine exactly how the bible came about, all the stories and fables and all the laws. I also don't agree that because we don't have physical evidence of a lack of god, that I should believe just in case. That's just plain silliness to be practiced by the simplest of minds. The facts are easy to comprehend. Man is afraid to die and men are afraid of other men. Fear is the author of the bible. Many years ago, laws were created to control populations. It wasn't good enough, so man created god to reinforce their ""morals"" as they became known as. The oral traditions became the bible. (and many others - the bible isn't the only religious text) God became a symbol to be feared by man, and no one was left alive to know that none of the shit actually originated through magic. 
Show me proof of god and I'll believe. You can't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508706516
146294362,146302583,2017-10-22 21:10:02,">>146299714
>Roman Empire is Christian: collapse.
Constantine used Christianity to keep Roman alive for another 100 years. Not to mention Rome didn't die, just moved East.
>Medieval Europe is Christian: being a general shithole, overrun by Muslim conquests.
Early Middle Ages maybe. High and Late, no. 
>Renessance (rebirth of secualr and Pagan values) Europe:Pinnacle of the world.
You underestimate how religious most of these people still were at the time of the Renaissance.
 
>Resurgence of Christianity (Victorian age and moral Crusaders) in Europe: ...
Pretty sure Europe was still top dog at this point, even going as far as getting China under their thumb.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508706602
146294362,146303336,2017-10-22 21:17:22,">>146301653
Nothing about religion is objective, no matter how you try to illustrate it.
Fairy tales are not an ""accounting"" for human existence. they're just fairy tales that you happen to believe.
I don't care if homos fuck each other. They're aberrations, not abominations. It happens in nature, too.
Holy fuck, if you came in here with as blind a dedication to hinduism, you'd be eaten alive. Why do you fags not see that your belief structure is simply one of many? Yours isn't right; it just happens to exist alongside other versions of bullshit that attempt to explain the same things through different fiction.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508707042
146294362,146303525,2017-10-22 21:19:11,,,Anonymous,jew on a stick.png,FcmTqEKtrS43EPdC5k91wg==,US,,1508707151
146294362,146303659,2017-10-22 21:20:34,">>146301899
The existence of a ""god hole"" is a myth, anon. I'm missing nothing without religion clouding my judgment. No one rules over me. I revere no man in place of your god (that I don't acknowledge). Perhaps you should have been aborted.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508707234
146294362,146303756,2017-10-22 21:21:35,"In Math we trust.
Al the others must provide evidence.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508707295
146294362,146303853,2017-10-22 21:22:31,">>146300962
1 Thessalonians 2:14-2:15",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508707351
146294362,146303882,2017-10-22 21:22:46,">>146303756
Math is based on circular logic.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1508707366
146294362,146304040,2017-10-22 21:24:14,">>146298905
>Jews didn't kill your Jew God. Romans did.
>Matthew 27:22-25
>22 “What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify Him!”
>23 “Why?” asked Pilate. “What has He done wrong?” But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” 
>24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood, he said. “You shall bear the responsibility.” 
>25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508707454
146294362,146304255,2017-10-22 21:26:13,So many triggered yanks. Get over it. You barely are better then mudslimes for believing in some jew creation.,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1508707573
146294362,146304418,2017-10-22 21:27:41,">>146303882
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahhahahahahah!!!!...
(Taking a breath)
Hahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahah!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508707661
146294362,146304447,2017-10-22 21:27:58,">>146303882
Show me a theorem made by you, published on a reputable magazine, or shut up your ignorant pussy mouth.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508707678
146294362,146304573,2017-10-22 21:29:11,">>146303659
your life is meaningless without God and your worldview is absurd, and you'll most likely go to hell and are actually one foot in hell already",,Anonymous,,,,,1508707751
146294362,146304867,2017-10-22 21:31:53,">>146299373
Thallus, Tacitus, Phlegon, and Josephus all wrote about Jesus's crucifixion. Mara Bar-Serapion, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, Lucian of Samosata, and Celsus all wrote about Jesus and the earliest Christians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508707913
146294362,146304978,2017-10-22 21:33:02,">>146300780
>a few
The whole catholic church is compromised now. Protestants have always been degenerates. That's not ""a few""",,Anonymous,,,,,1508707982
146294362,146304994,2017-10-22 21:33:08,">>146294362
Tips",,Anonymous,,,,,1508707988
146294362,146305445,2017-10-22 21:37:54,">>146304573
>your life is meaningless without God and your worldview is absurd, and you'll most likely go to hell and are actually one foot in hell already
your life is meaningless without GodZilla and your worldview is absurd, and you'll go nowhere after dying and are actually one foot in braindead already",,Anonymous,manzana.gif,0CR3yw9Gjw82wcrNDxx2WQ==,,,1508708274
146294362,146305463,2017-10-22 21:38:05,">>146304573
My life is rich. I have a limited time to experience it, so I do all I can. I just happen to have a cold, so I'm talking to retards from a computer today. I'd say that aside from those who are wealthier than me, and can therefore afford to do more in this world, I live a full life, a happy life. I don't waste time praying or begging mercy for perceived sins. I live life to the fullest I can, simply for the purpose of living. When I die, all I've done and seen will be lost, I expect, as death is the end. It is for you, too, but you're concerned with living by arbitrary rules that don't affect me at all. 
Hell is a myth. Shit, of all of the silliest of beliefs, you'd think that one that isn't even mentioned until the new testament, because it hadn't been invented yet, would be most obviously a fabrication of man.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508708285
146294362,146305610,2017-10-22 21:39:36,">>146294362
Morality and justice cannot exist in society without religion",,Anonymous,1501467301939.jpg,yt+H3DHt0OxFK8HExwpWqg==,US,,1508708376
146294362,146305925,2017-10-22 21:43:01,">>146305463
>my entire life consists of meaningless materialistic goods
>my only life goal is the pursuit of as much hedonistic pleasure as humanly possible
What an absolutely horrific existence that would be.",,Anonymous,1482108140819.png,zEKopMAhr7KWic6WvhY+XA==,US,,1508708581
146294362,146306030,2017-10-22 21:44:06,">>146304867
That's a lie.
Because Jesus was a common Jew name, many people wrote about many jews named Jesus, which lived on different places and times.
The bible's Jesus never existed. It was made up as a collection of stories about different people.
Many of there stories were plagiarized from other religions. A lot was taken from Egyptian deities, which walked over water, were crucified, resuscitated after 2 days, and were born on 25 December.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_comparative_mythology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JMkpkDSEZo",,Anonymous,,,,,1508708646
146294362,146306127,2017-10-22 21:45:08,"Who /radicalatheist/ here?
Religioncucks should be thrown out of helicopters together with commies.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508708708
146294362,146306139,2017-10-22 21:45:16,">>146294362
>atheism
>posts pagan meme
I mean, there really is little difference between you retards.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508708716
146294362,146306191,2017-10-22 21:45:45,">>146305610
That's pure chauvinism, and proof of your immorality.
Since all religions are 100% human inventions, morality and justice is also a human invention.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508708745
146294362,146306321,2017-10-22 21:47:01,"I like how christcucks come into those threads and their only argument ""without almighty faggot you MUST be a degenerate"". Pathetic!",,Anonymous,,,,,1508708821
146294362,146306322,2017-10-22 21:47:01,">socialist
>""""""""nationalist""""""""
>fedora
Yep. Excuse me while I destroy your thread in two posts.",,Anonymous,1390089203369.jpg,MTW/FFrnoUzFchgzBYSFtw==,US,,1508708821
146294362,146306350,2017-10-22 21:47:19,>>146306322,,Anonymous,fedoras are leftist.png,Wkm8XyddbGg9QATSwQzpRw==,US,,1508708839
146294362,146306433,2017-10-22 21:48:08,"Remember to stay mad, my lads.",,Anonymous,1461946851071.png,7Y69Vi1++J7Hx24S6j0vyQ==,US,,1508708888
146294362,146306585,2017-10-22 21:49:48,">>146306350
It's almost like (((they))) personally came out and started indoctrinating atheist teens in the colleges and school since religious brainwashing does not work on them.
There's a reason some professor named (((Goldberg))) is a typical name in genderfluid studies.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508708988
146294362,146306597,2017-10-22 21:49:55,">>146305610
then why does it exist without religion right now?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508708995
146294362,146306729,2017-10-22 21:51:18,">>146294362
This is off topic garbage. This belongs on /his/ not /pol/ Sage and report",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709078
146294362,146307019,2017-10-22 21:54:04,">>146306030
That stupid fucking Zeitgeist meme has been debunked for an entire fucking DECADE.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709244
146294362,146307156,2017-10-22 21:55:20,">>146305610
Lies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709320
146294362,146307335,2017-10-22 21:57:03,">>146307019
Still no proof of Jeus (not that it would prove anything else but the existence of yet another maniac claiming to hear voices in his head)",,Anonymous,,,,,1508709423
146294362,146307398,2017-10-22 21:57:35,">>146306597
Because the Christian laws that were written hundreds of years ago are still in place. Remove the culture and your blank slate will turn into a dystopian nightmare. You base all of your morality on Christianity without even realizing it. Without Christian law and culture, you have nothing and would evolve into Africa-tier niggerdom in a generation. 
You better hope LARPagans don't get their wish.",,Anonymous,1468716426136.jpg,jdkw9gss0Kds6/ew83h7rw==,US,,1508709455
146294362,146307505,2017-10-22 21:58:49,">>146305925
Did I mention material things or sexual exploits? Nope. There are wonderful things to do and experience that have nothing to do with hedonistic desires. There are people of other cultures to meet, natural wonders to see and enriching activities to engage in outside of what you consider sinful. You've run out of brainpower, so you're putting words into my mouth. Being a fool must be tiring. Go to bed, faggot anon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709529
146294362,146307523,2017-10-22 21:58:56,">>146294362
>What is atheism?
Atheism is about denying the sins of humanity.
Atheism is about avoiding accountability for your actions.
Atheism is about denying good and evil.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1508709536
146294362,146307536,2017-10-22 21:59:04,">>146307398
That's a big fucking ""if"" scenario you're presenting as a fact. Nice trickery, FAGGOT.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508709544
146294362,146307611,2017-10-22 21:59:53,">>146302421
The prophecies that are in the bible that have been fulfilled could not have been made accurately without divine knowledge. For instance, the one about Israel becoming a nation in one day, on the day it was prophesied to, after the intricacies of the jewish calculation of the date had been lost and only recently been recovered and calculated because of computers and advanced lunar measurements.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709593
146294362,146307699,2017-10-22 22:00:39,">>146307536
Sweden and other godless scandicucks are fast approaching that scenario.",,Anonymous,please rape my face.jpg,elgyrD/A5wMCjclQBN8olg==,US,,1508709639
146294362,146307761,2017-10-22 22:01:15,">>146294362
Atheism is just the lack in the belief of a deity(s), that's it. Plebbit ""Atheists"" and ""I fucking love science/ Rick & Morty Atheists"" do give Atheists a bad name I will admit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709675
146294362,146307796,2017-10-22 22:01:37,>>146307699,,Anonymous,sweden.png,RpP6uKx4EvwBKm3zAt02hA==,US,,1508709697
146294362,146307866,2017-10-22 22:02:24,">>146307699
Should I post a fucking pope kissing rapefugee feet? Or will you go the commie route by saying that ""it's not true christianity""?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508709744
146294362,146307872,2017-10-22 22:02:28,">>146307398
Lies The christian ""laws"" were copied.
Were invented by humans anyways. there is no proof of anything else.
They are not ""in place""
Christian laws allowed slavery, selling women, sacrificing people to gods, killing women for adultery, killing people for apostasy, and a lot of heinous crimes.
The progress of civilization had been a fight against ""christian laws""
Still it needs to be tamed today.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508709748
146294362,146307873,2017-10-22 22:02:28,">>146307761
>Atheism is just the lack in the belief of a deity(s), that's it
That's a meme.
The German has the correct definition. >>146307523",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709748
146294362,146307926,2017-10-22 22:02:53,">>146294362
Agreed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709773
146294362,146307992,2017-10-22 22:03:31,">>146307866
A heretic man kissing a nigger foot doesn't change what's in the Bible, you simple-minded faggot. I'm not a papist, either. Why do you think I would give a fuck?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709811
146294362,146308157,2017-10-22 22:05:00,">>146295537
Weak atheism is the only rational position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709900
146294362,146308162,2017-10-22 22:05:02,">>146307992
>communist route",,Anonymous,,,,,1508709902
146294362,146308173,2017-10-22 22:05:06,"Atheists are a plague upon society because they don't understand that they will have to answer for every single thing they have said and done. The degeneracy of our society is directly caused by them, and it's the Church's fault for not pushing back. The watchman was asleep, and now the enemy is within the walls.
>Sage",,Sage,,,US,,1508709906
146294362,146308208,2017-10-22 22:05:28,">>146307523
>Atheism is about denying the sins of humanity.
bullshit
>Atheism is about avoiding accountability for your actions.
A lie. State law and justice makes you accountable.
Law and Justice are made by ethics and reason. Religion has nothing to do here.
>Atheism is about denying good and evil.
Bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508709928
146294362,146308213,2017-10-22 22:05:32,">>146307611
Haha. Ok, I'll bite. What prophecies are these? Are you crediting the israel thing with divine intervention? You do know that jews live there, right? So, according to /pol/ theory, jews control the banks, economy and world governments, but the date israel was created was completely arbitrary. Likely. Haha. By the way, israel only came into existence due to jewish persistence and the opportunity presented by WW2.
Prophecies are for people who like to associate current events with ambiguous writings of past madmen. Nostradamus has been ""proven"" right many times as well. It doesn't take much to get you to believe in silly shit, does it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508709932
146294362,146308450,2017-10-22 22:07:42,">>146294362
I have no problem with christians or pagans, but you niggers are truly degenerate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710062
146294362,146308463,2017-10-22 22:07:47,">>146307611
the prophecies in the bible said that the world should had ended 1000 years ago.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710067
146294362,146308513,2017-10-22 22:08:09,">>146294362
Atheism is a mental illness that cures itself.
>Amish birthrate: 7.7 children per woman
>Evangelical Christian birthrate: 3.4 children per woman
>Muslim birthrate: 3.1 children per woman
>Atheist/irreligious: 1.7 children per woman
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/03/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/
>Mormon can expect to make 3.4 babies in his or her lifetime. Jews, Catholics, and most flavors of Protestantism have fertility rates ranging from 2 to 2.5. At the low end of the baby-making spectrum you've got atheists, with 1.6 kids, and agnostics, who average only 1.3.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/12/charted-the-religions-that-make-the-most-babies/?utm_term=.d9edbb88249a",,Anonymous,1508721988655.jpg,Tn4rngKMKNpICwIpIFWiuA==,GB,,1508710089
146294362,146308548,2017-10-22 22:08:26,">>146294362
Christian arguments:
>muh fedora and Odin drinks cum (made-up jewish lie)
Leftists can't meme",,Anonymous,1506632592674.jpg,NBBSrBrqAGqZSloiZxxG9A==,,,1508710106
146294362,146308575,2017-10-22 22:08:44,">>146307761
You're barking up the wrong tree, anon. It's actually only a stump. These fags associate too much emotion with the word ""atheist"" to accept that it's merely an objective title for a state without belief in the deity system that's currently popular, ...or any deity, really. They think it means ""antichrist"" and it's evil because horror movies and hillbillies from the eighties say so.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710124
146294362,146308586,2017-10-22 22:08:50,>>146294362,,Anonymous,1503520000395.jpg,a9UzOtXF/Yb2zjYjyVdK5A==,,,1508710130
146294362,146308609,2017-10-22 22:09:02,>>146294362,,Anonymous,1485574438259.png,67gtqaxwf9k0Z/Ku4Kqdpg==,US,,1508710142
146294362,146308678,2017-10-22 22:09:49,">>146308162
Brainlet, you were already destroyed many posts ago. You can't believe an ideology is superior if its adherents don't even breed to exist in the future.
If anyone is a commie, it's you, because you only further yourself by brainwashing the weak-minded.",,Anonymous,cultural marxism.jpg,qkMjekpGI8g30B/sBkpthw==,US,,1508710189
146294362,146308682,2017-10-22 22:09:50,">>146308513
Do everyone a favor. Go back to your church and bend your knees to dead kike on a stick while being butt fucked by pedo priests.",,Anonymous,1508507257391.png,DUFzhY1Q1fzFeNCw7G/ioA==,,,1508710190
146294362,146308699,2017-10-22 22:10:00,">>146295795
>Atheism isn't European, but it is oder than any religion. Until the first men
Stopped reading there. The first men had direct contact with God. Read the Bible.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508710200
146294362,146308825,2017-10-22 22:11:02,">>146308586
see
>>146308678",,Anonymous,"anti-christianity, liberalism, and egalitarianism linked.jpg",1MzHwZjlAavf8bTRLVzGNQ==,US,,1508710262
146294362,146308859,2017-10-22 22:11:22,">>146307873
The definition you refer to is a subjective feelings party. Atheism is literally a lack of belief. Before you were told to believe in god or you'll go to hell, you were atheist. It's just the name for a state where, for whatever reason, you don't have a belief in a deity. It's not an offense to religion, but in your imagination and in the hearts and minds of bible-thumping rednecks.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710282
146294362,146308865,2017-10-22 22:11:25,">>146307873
>t. christcuck 
Let me make it easy for you to understand. The A in Atheist literally means ""Without Theism"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710285
146294362,146308921,2017-10-22 22:11:48,">>146308678
>you were already destroyed many posts ago
>I WIN BECAUSE I SAID SO
Wow, what a fucking nigger.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710308
146294362,146309009,2017-10-22 22:12:37,">>146308682
Buttfucking is your specialty.",,Anonymous,1413491807704.jpg,iZPK+3OsXmxOVKrztl88Bw==,US,,1508710357
146294362,146309031,2017-10-22 22:12:52,">>146308825
Explain then why prisons are full of christcucks.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710372
146294362,146309112,2017-10-22 22:13:31,">>146308859
>>146308865
>>146308921
If hats trigger you, I have many more images available. Just tell me.",,Anonymous,93874509324.png,PQcsULDltvuQnmJv9PCvMw==,US,,1508710411
146294362,146309135,2017-10-22 22:13:40,">>146309031
Because the majority of the population are Christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710420
146294362,146309188,2017-10-22 22:14:15,">>146309112
They don't. Keep them coming",,Anonymous,top kek.jpg,Pp9F0E/ryMxgvUnjuVYpqg==,US,,1508710455
146294362,146309206,2017-10-22 22:14:27,"Religious affiliation of inmates in U.S. prisons
90% religious
10% atheists
65% of inmate criminals are Christian.",,Anonymous,Untitled.jpg,p7v1Cv0tVrUizWO/XpWRCA==,,,1508710467
146294362,146309226,2017-10-22 22:14:40,">>146308173
Religious fags are a plague upon society because they believe that they will have to answer for every single thing they have said and done. The degeneracy of our society is directly caused by them, and it's the rational thinking man's fault for not pushing back. The watchman was asleep, and now the enemy is within the walls.
By the way, ""church"" isn't inherently capitalized, regardless of your level of religious gullibility. It's nt a proper noun unless associated with a specific name and location.
Faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710480
146294362,146309260,2017-10-22 22:14:59,">>146309206
Source
https://www.statista.com/statistics/234653/religious-affiliation-of-us-prisoners/",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710499
146294362,146309370,2017-10-22 22:15:54,">>146309112
I embraced my fedora long time ago. :^)
>>146309135
Shouldn't superior morality lessen the number of christcucks in prison though? Thou shalt not kill, after all.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710554
146294362,146309394,2017-10-22 22:16:06,">>146309226
To add to that, it should be noted that even without Religion, humans will believe in some sort of ideology. We have seen this with Cultural Marxism and identity politics.",,Anonymous,this.gif,2QvEWltH00xEmwRTt0hTHg==,US,,1508710566
146294362,146309406,2017-10-22 22:16:15,"Certain Christian values have...value. But that doesn't prove God exists. Procreation, emphasis on family, fidelity in marriage, sexual virtue, etc. are all good things.",,Anonymous,4df4cc052b0378e779e39d1329b3565b.jpg,e1Z3We+fw9Wim6giKgIahA==,US,,1508710575
146294362,146309411,2017-10-22 22:16:17,">>146308682
We're going nowhere JIDF. You're on our board. Why don't you fuck off back to Burning Man festival and peddle your degeneracy there. /pol/ is a Christian board. D&c doesn't work here like it does on reddit.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/Strawpoll%20religion/",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508710577
146294362,146309412,2017-10-22 22:16:18,"ITT: Fedorafags who think the heretic Papacy is legitimate and has anything to do with true Christianity.
>Sage",,Sage,,,US,,1508710578
146294362,146309445,2017-10-22 22:16:38,"Where is the ""christian morality""??",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710598
146294362,146309469,2017-10-22 22:16:54,">>146309206
>65% of inmate criminals are Christian.
That's lower than the overall population you absolute retard.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508710614
146294362,146309515,2017-10-22 22:17:23,">>146309412
>AKCHUALLY TRUE KEKSTIANITY HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710643
146294362,146309582,2017-10-22 22:17:54,">>146308586
The main diffrence between communism and christkikenity is that christkikenity promises you a heaven after life and communism a heaven on earth. Both don't work.",,Anonymous,1499365839354.jpg,ytsL/y3gwmTLhkjDsA+MAA==,,,1508710674
146294362,146309586,2017-10-22 22:17:56,">>146305463
>im a happy boy happy, happy
>money yay, money $$$
>happy life!!! i have!
>i like to travel, i like experiences ;)
>im a happy boy ;) happy comfort every day comfort and happy
>Everyday i seek comfort and happiness, but today I have a COLD ;(((
yes your life is meaningless, just as I suspected. You're basically already dead and all the experiences you will accumulate will be forgotten and all your wealth will be eaten by moths and you will not be ready to encounter eternity upon death and will suffer accordingly and nothing you do will amount to anything since you lived a selfish egotistical and blind life.
Truly atheism is a death sentence in itself.",,Anonymous,toon town.jpg,Oax6U/5RrQPG2jGsdPQHbg==,,,1508710676
146294362,146309594,2017-10-22 22:18:00,">>146309406
Those values exist on most societies. They are not christian inventions.
You can't go killing people in Japan or China just because you aren't religious.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710680
146294362,146309639,2017-10-22 22:18:28,">>146308699
The first creatures that could be considered sentient ""men"" with any concept of their own existence probably existed over a hundred thousand years ago, maybe even more. No one has ever hd contact with god because he's fucking imaginary. They may have offered things to a volcano so it wouldn't kill them, though. The bible is glorified toilet paper, and only fags believe it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710708
146294362,146309673,2017-10-22 22:18:49,">>146299714
>doesn't know history at all
G*rmanic invaders ruined rome, not christianity. The eastern empire went on a long time with orthodoxy before getting fucked over by venice and the rest of the cucktholics.
Northern Europeans and Slavs were literally living in mud huts before Christianity was brought to them by the Romans.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710729
146294362,146309689,2017-10-22 22:18:54,">>146306030
Jesus was not born on the 25th of December, and he took three days and three nights before resurrection.
Also zeitgeist also got the pagan beliefs wrong too. For instance Osirus wasn't resurrected, his dead body parts were collected together and a magic spell gave him an erection which got Isis pregnant with Horus. In fact most pagan mythology traced back to Babylonian sun worship of Mithra",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710734
146294362,146309785,2017-10-22 22:19:48,">>146309469
Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 75% 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States
proven false again",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710788
146294362,146309791,2017-10-22 22:19:51,">>146309586
>Truly atheism is a death sentence in itself.
Says the faggot whose religion is based upon meeting certain conditions before death.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710791
146294362,146309818,2017-10-22 22:20:07,">>146309594
It's true they're not exclusive to Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710807
146294362,146309829,2017-10-22 22:20:12,">>146309411
No matter what christkikes tell you. Pol is not a degenerate Christian board. This is a white nationalist board.",,Anonymous,1484946706094.png,sh3JIC6RacXfni4rRMd46A==,,,1508710812
146294362,146309833,2017-10-22 22:20:14,">>146309112
Bring 'em on, homo. Your attempt to reduce logic and reason to a meme are transparent.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710814
146294362,146309846,2017-10-22 22:20:20,>people trying Atheism Generals again,,WOLFSHIEM,A Moment of Silence Please.jpg,ArO3rTS9P5p4X8Yija6dBg==,US,,1508710820
146294362,146309872,2017-10-22 22:20:38,">>146309586
Ayye, it's the dead MMO made by (((Disney))) where you defeated corporate business robots. Was that game based?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710838
146294362,146309899,2017-10-22 22:20:54,">>146309586
>nothing you do will amount to anything since you lived a selfish egotistical and blind life.
Says the man who is devoting his life to a superstition to get good boy points in the afterlife, without evidence that it actually exists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710854
146294362,146309930,2017-10-22 22:21:09,">>146309370
>>146309206
This is why I never self-identify as an Atheist.
They're more likely to be religious because their IQ is lower. 
>inb4 LMFAO LOL, DUMB CHRISTKEKS
When you geniuses are able to convey a system of philosophy and morality to people of average and below average intelligence, which gives as prosperous a society as we have now, then we can talk.
For now, you're adding literally nothing of value. The utility and manipulation of religion for societal benefit has been obvious to the intelligensia for millenia. You know nothing that Machievelli, Xenophon, and Fabius Maximus didn't.",,Anonymous,1507080098903.jpg,vOj7K8/SsMChJcQkVrwNrA==,,,1508710869
146294362,146309936,2017-10-22 22:21:13,">>146302421
>There is zero evidence to support religion
What does this mean. Did you mean to say support the existence of a god? Religion is much more than just the existence of a god, and the ideas within a religion are designed to create a functioning society by leading the masses toward a non degenerate life style. Granted our world doesn't face the same issues it did back when Christianity was created.
>I don't believe because it's illogical and silly
The actual contents? Maybe because it was written in a different time and some things seem odd to our more modern world. If we want to talk about illogical, then you should look at what Pascal's Wager says. The only logical thing to do is to believe in god and follow Jesus' teachings because you're essentially gambling with your life (or afterlife) as to whether god exists or not.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508710873
146294362,146309948,2017-10-22 22:21:17,">>146309582
the difference is communism is an atheistic idol that kills you and harms others, while christianity is a cure for mental and spiritual sickness that saves you and prepares you for eternity.
atheism is degeneracy and selfishness of the highest order, no atheist will lead a meaningful or relevant life, no atheist knows how to love or how to be a good person, because all their actions are self-centered or simply unconscious- -- and no amount of hedonism will satisfy them, they will constantly be disatisfied and seeking more distractions to make them forget the absurdity and emptiness of their path.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710877
146294362,146310028,2017-10-22 22:22:04,">>146309469
Maybe only because of the niggers embracing islam when they have nothing to look forward to but their mortality.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508710924
146294362,146310030,2017-10-22 22:22:05,">>146309846
CATHOLIC GENERAL FOR YOU ALL
>>146309952
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, ATHEISTS",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1508710925
146294362,146310074,2017-10-22 22:22:31,">>146309785
???
That's my point you fuckwit. You're saying 65% of inmates are Christian yet Christians make up 75% of the overall population, what's your point?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508710951
146294362,146310109,2017-10-22 22:22:50,">>146299884
christianity plus secularism is secularism with christ as a figurehead you might as well be an atheist at that point because you are in spirit at that point",,Anonymous,,,,,1508710970
146294362,146310201,2017-10-22 22:23:39,"Christian morals:
You can go killing everybody, and committing the most heinous crimes, but if you repent at the last second of you life, you are fine and go to heaven.
A perfectly fine good person which has never heard about crhistianity deserves to go to hell for not even knowing about the existence of jesus.
well, that's really evil, discriminatory and chauvinistic.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711019
146294362,146310346,2017-10-22 22:24:58,">>146309515
>meme flag
Opinion discarded
>Sage",,Sage,,,US,,1508711098
146294362,146310362,2017-10-22 22:25:06,">>146294362
/pol/ claims to be ""redpilled"", but they believe in fairy tales made up by sand niggers 2,000 years ago without any evidence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711106
146294362,146310368,2017-10-22 22:25:07,">>146309948
>no atheist will lead a meaningful or relevant life, no atheist knows how to love or how to be a good person
>YOU MUST BE DEGENERATE BECAUSE I SAID SO
>because all their actions are self-centered 
Yes, that differs very much from existing solely to get into heaven.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711107
146294362,146310403,2017-10-22 22:25:26,">>146308586
>muh liberation theology
so we are just going to forget that christianity for centuries has preached hierarchy and communism/leftism/liberalism hate hierarchy 
I could break this entire fucking thing apart considering you secular faggots need to get stampted into the fucking dirt where you belong, but I'm too lazy",,Anonymous,help.jpg,+xwDy09J4fpLXQNrLFt4WQ==,,,1508711126
146294362,146310442,2017-10-22 22:25:49,">>146310074
how does the percentage of crhistian criminals is larger, or even similar to the percentage of christian in the population?
religiotards pretend to have morals. Where are those morals?
why atheists don't make 99% of the inmates?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711149
146294362,146310476,2017-10-22 22:26:09,">>146310346
>60% flag
High probability of being a grass munching nigger, opinion discarded.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711169
146294362,146310577,2017-10-22 22:27:20,">>146309936
Here's the thing: Despite being an atheist, I actually agree on a lot of things, e.g. abstain before marriage, marriage is between a man and a woman, and its goal is to produce well-adjusted children, give to charity, etc, the problem is that those are ideas that I came to accept by looking at what happens when people use them, I was able to reason that they were correct.
Religion prevents that, for all of its good idea, there are more than a few stinkers, and because it is, allegedly, the perfect word of a perfect entity, it cannot be challenged. The superstition is the root of the church's illegitimate authority, if you got rid of it, I'd actually be on your side.
But no, you can't accept your mortality, which means you're doomed to running damage control for child rapists. Well done.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711240
146294362,146310646,2017-10-22 22:27:52,"/pol/ddit.
Listen fedora shitters.
The current situation is by product of atheism, Godless woman do not want to marry, they do not believe in chastity, they do not believe in nuclear family.
Christian societies were the safest in the past 300 years, 
Atheism let faggots and trans roam in the streets.
Fact: most SJW are ATHEISTS. Most left voters are atheists, most couples with no kids are atheists.
And regarding your Paganism IT'S FUCKING IRRELEVANT SHIT, IRRELEVANT TO POLITICS.
Your Paganism is worse than an unpopular fashion trend.",,Anonymous,Capture (101).png,5sLqfItyvSSMnvZJ+MVKwQ==,,,1508711272
146294362,146310660,2017-10-22 22:27:58,">>146309829
>kekistan flag
>pagayn
I'm pretty sure your fellow pagans wouldnt want to claim you",,Anonymous,meinkampf.jpg,Jm+VmHbYTa/0Pe1txDNSTw==,,,1508711278
146294362,146310681,2017-10-22 22:28:10,"Why are atheists so bad at science?
Think of the major scientists of modern times. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla, Planck, Einstein, Heisenberg, etc. Not a single atheist. 
In America, the country with the highest number of Nobel prize winners and top ranked world universities, less than half of scientists surveyed by Pew don't believe in God or a universal spirit/higher power. Even if you add ALL don't knows, it still only reaches 48%. And there are 50% MORE people who believe in a universal spirit/higher power in the scientific community than the general population.
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
But do you want to know something really interesting? According to Rice University, among non-communist Chinese (Hong Kong/Taiwan), the nation with the highest average IQ on earth, the science community has HIGHER religiosity than the general population.
>39 percent of scientists in Hong Kong identify as religious compared with 20 percent of the general population of Hong Kong, and 54 percent of scientists in Taiwan identify as religious compared with 44 percent of the general population of Taiwan
https://phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html
Why are atheists so bad at science?",,Anonymous,f6f6b24710965d5eda8af2a4cfec7bf7.jpg,vpt7t2Fb/gbuyAQNY+KAmA==,GB,,1508711290
146294362,146310777,2017-10-22 22:29:04,"The true redpill is that there is no God(s) that we know of and all Religions are false, however the average human being needs Religion or something to believe in, or they might fall into nihilistic thoughts and/ or degeneracy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711344
146294362,146310838,2017-10-22 22:29:43,"the only reason for which christian are not killing apostates and stoning women to death is because they lost control of the laws. Fortunately.
The bible is as atrocious as the quran, because the quran is nothing but a version of the bible, and the quran is the state law on Islam.
That's what you get when christianity goes unchecked: Islam.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711383
146294362,146310856,2017-10-22 22:29:54,">>146309515
>libertard hates christianity
we need to kill all the freedom kikes here",,Anonymous,tumblr_inline_n9gkv28TK21qd3mt9.jpg,pGGOw03RJ7eTej6DxN6IkA==,,,1508711394
146294362,146310864,2017-10-22 22:29:59,">>146309829
White nationalism is a Christian movement.
>Hitler: Christianity is the basis of the entire morality of Germany
http://youtu.be/KCwG13K7TAo 
>Hitler: We will defend Christianity
http://youtu.be/Sz42hBg4jys 
>Hitler: We will never forsake God
http://youtu.be/MV1sVDU9E2E
>Hitler: God created our Volk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXKLCpq2g",,Anonymous,1467761790618.jpg,pyn+vOZ/GVvupjMKz9ztyQ==,GB,,1508711399
146294362,146310869,2017-10-22 22:30:02,">>146309899
""proof"" and ""evidence"" lose all meaning if you're an atheist since you're stuck in relativism: you deny any unchanging, absolute, transcendent Truth. Man is the measure of all things and can't escape his subjective perspectivism even if he wanted to, so even if there is an objective truth the atheist believes has no access to it because he can't escape his limited/human frame of reference. Relativism and atheism are both retarded, they go hand in hand, like drooling and downsydrome, both illogical self-defeating positions. you can't account for logic, you can't account for proof, you can't account for the world or why you even exist or what purpose you have, you can't account for morality, you can't explain anything, nothing makes sense in the atheist worldview. 
underneath all your nonsensical ""arguments against god"" is simply the desire to be a degenerate, no argument against God exists that makes any sense. The only reason people become atheists is because they struggle with God, they can't understand his ways so their pride blinds them, or they simply want to engage in degeneracy and they don't like being accountable to objective moral standards. Either way atheists are faggots with no redeeming moral, intellectual or social qualities.
Every atheist in history has been a failure with terrible personal qualities and little to no insight or intelligence. That goes for voltaire and nietshit and dawkins and harris and every other pseud who writes garbage for 14 year old fedoras.",,Anonymous,1501890475721.jpg,e4bW23jMZU3+2J9toHyLkA==,,,1508711402
146294362,146310878,2017-10-22 22:30:08,">>146310646
>Atheism let faggots and trans roam in the streets.
USA is 75% christian yet faggots and trans roam there. You're a fucking MAJORITY and YOU DIDN'T STOP IT. You let that happen and it's your fault.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711408
146294362,146310920,2017-10-22 22:30:27,Evangelicals are the true degenerates,,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711427
146294362,146310942,2017-10-22 22:30:34,">>146309586
Hahahaha!
You are priceless, anon. Of course my life will amount to nothing! So will yours. When we're dead, and... well, nothing - end of life, end of sentience. I will not see the world ever again, and neither will you. We won't see anything ever again. I won't be able to gloat about all I did and you avoided, and you won't be able to gloat about heaven because we'll both be dead and gone. There is no afterlife, you simpleton. Go ahead and waste your life on religion. It means just as much as the life of a serial killer's or a pedophile's. You will affect this world just as much as an aborted fetus, aside from the potential energy stored in your flesh, which is probably more than a fetus can offer, and so will I, but I'm enjoying it, and you're a cucked slave. You can't make me feel bad for my life with your mysticism. Something you religious fags fail to grasp is that your promises of a magical fantasyland that we either get to visit after our corpses stop being animated or the threat of a lake of fire - or ice, depending upon which fairy tale you believe, doesn't affect us. You may as well be telling us of three bowls or porridge; one too hot, one too cold and one just right. Haha. Your fear of the unknown isn't shared by us.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711434
146294362,146310962,2017-10-22 22:30:42,">>146310856
>we need to kill
Whoops, to the heck you go. Repent, faggot.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711442
146294362,146311015,2017-10-22 22:31:16,"/pol/ has always been an atheist and libertarian board right back to 2011 because they knew christanity was jewry in disguise, and Atheism is actually a white European invention. Christcucks literary only came because they thought the ironic christianity posting was real.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711476
146294362,146311035,2017-10-22 22:31:27,">>146310646
Christianity caused the multiplication of losers.
That's why the white race is full of pathetic losers which cannot even talk to a woman.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711487
146294362,146311077,2017-10-22 22:31:51,">>146310878
You're actually right. Most trannies and faggots believe in some sort of God or Religion, but that doesn't stop them from being faggots. Modern Religion doesn't condemn degeneracy like it once did.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711511
146294362,146311120,2017-10-22 22:32:13,">>146294362
Why does anything exist?
Looking for a serious atheist answer",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508711533
146294362,146311196,2017-10-22 22:32:55,">>146311015
Plus r/The_Donald flooded this board in the last year.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711575
146294362,146311293,2017-10-22 22:34:07,">>146294362
*sighs in disgust*",,Anonymous,ChristChan16.jpg,NQRN4BgZqrISgT9fd7JWsw==,,,1508711647
146294362,146311354,2017-10-22 22:34:45,">>146311015
>/pol/ has always been an atheist and libertarian board
>christanity was jewry in disguise
>atheist and libertarian
>not explicit jewry",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508711685
146294362,146311410,2017-10-22 22:35:19,">>146296025
>Ignores the fact that Christianity copied their ideology from Platonism and Stoicism, among other European ""pagans"".
>Ignores the fact that Christianity forced and killed millions of Europeans.",,Anonymous,makes you think.gif,LYEKoXLjknnXcdvHVL/dsw==,MX,,1508711719
146294362,146311429,2017-10-22 22:35:30,>>146311293,,Anonymous,pope.jpg,dyeWTOgVsROp6kcyE6qMwA==,GB,,1508711730
146294362,146311439,2017-10-22 22:35:38,">>146310201
>le deathbed conversion meme
someone who spends all his life killing and committing heinous crimes has virtually no chance for authentic repentance ""in the last second of his life"". You have no idea how repentance works or what faith demands.
Such a situation would be 1 in a billion, and would literally be a miracle of God. 
If you cultivate degeneracy for decades your last moments of life will definitely be degenerate, and any profession of faith will most certainly be inauthentic and your repentance null and void; the babbling of empty words by a man conditioned to be selfish and evil won't save him. Deathbed conversions are lowest probability idiotic risks to take.
""Not everyone who calls out to me, 'Lord! Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter."" - Matthew 7:21",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711738
146294362,146311459,2017-10-22 22:35:49,">>146310869
Okay, lets assume I accept your idea that there is an unchanging, absolute truth.
Now, explain to me how you know that absolute truth is some spirit named yahweh who demands you slice the skin off of baby dicks?
This is the problem for philosophical theism, at best you can get to deism, which is somewhat respectable, but you cannot get to a proof of your specific god any more than you can get to a proof of zeus or ordin or shiva.
Your baseless assumptions of my character couldn't be farther from the truth. Because I derive my set of morals from wishing for human happiness, not a desire to please the arbitrary whims of an invisible monster in the closet, I know my actions are my responsibility, and mine alone. I despise degenerate behavior, and wish for nothing more than a chance to find a moral wife who will raise good children with me, and to have a chance to be an upstanding member of the community. I can want all of this without worrying if when I die I'll be set on fire for all time because I wore clothes made of mixed fabrics.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711749
146294362,146311541,2017-10-22 22:36:44,">>146310962
You realize christians righteously burned retards like you alive",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711804
146294362,146311595,2017-10-22 22:37:18,">>146311354
Can you even read?
>Atheism invented in Europe by white ancient Greeks before Abrahamic religions
>Christianity invented in Israel by Jews to worship another Jew
How thick can you fucking get?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508711838
146294362,146311597,2017-10-22 22:37:18,">>146311015
This link proves you are lying. Go as far back as you want.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/Strawpoll%20religion/
Fedoras have always been ridiculed on 4chan even before /pol/. We invented the fedora meme. You would know that if you hadn't arrived in the recent past newfag.
r/atheism might be more your thing.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508711838
146294362,146311654,2017-10-22 22:37:39,">>146311429
Yep, he kissed the foot of a nigger. I hate Francis, but still put my faith in God. Those who are turned away from the faith because of this were already weak to begin with",,Anonymous,CommieCross.jpg,FY36mc9n+SVpiv7eDNFJyA==,,,1508711859
146294362,146311687,2017-10-22 22:37:57,">>146311541
>righteously burned retards
Does not compute.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711877
146294362,146311699,2017-10-22 22:38:05,">>146311595
Atheism rejects Logos, just like Judaism",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508711885
146294362,146311726,2017-10-22 22:38:22,">>146311120
Because the conditions existed on this planet for them to be here at this time, nothing more. What does god say about dinosaurs? They existed. Were they his mistakes? Why did they exist? Why is there evil and murder and torture and rape? Are they mandated by your god? How do they fit into your theory of life? Don't say the devil - that bastard didn't appear until the new testament. He's a relatively ne character. If god created everything, he created pain also, and fear, and hate, and bigotry, and idolatry. But wait! God doesn't like idolatry!!! But... he created everything, anon. That means he created idolatry as well. It's funny that he gets all triggered over it, isn't it? 
You people waste so much time thinking about why that you forget to ask why not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711902
146294362,146311758,2017-10-22 22:38:39,">>146311597
>We invented the fedora meme
Hello, reddit.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711919
146294362,146311830,2017-10-22 22:39:24,">>146311459
Damn your rational thoughts! You stumped them!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508711964
146294362,146311840,2017-10-22 22:39:34,">>146310681
>Think of the major scientists of modern times. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla, Planck, Einstein, Heisenberg, etc. Not a single atheist. 
Bullshit. 
Every one of them proved christianity being wrong.
Galileo would be burned at a stake for ""being atheist"". Most lived in societies deeply discriminatory against atheists.
Einstein, for example, was an atheist Jew.
And also irrelevant. Because science is not based on what anybody believes.
You are brianwashed into thinking that you should point to some authority to ""prove"" an argument. A priest said X, a scientific said Z. That's bullshit.
Only a retard thinks that way. There is no authority in science.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508711974
146294362,146311966,2017-10-22 22:40:57,">>146311726
But why does MATTER exist? I want a serious atheist answer to this.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712057
146294362,146312148,2017-10-22 22:43:03,">>146310942
>Hahahaha!
>You are priceless, anon. Of course my life will amount to nothing!
It will amount to hell, you're already half way there and your selfish and myopic life is a testament to it. 
>b-but so w-will yours!!
No, my life has meaning, I reject your idiotic atheist-worldview totally. In fact your life has meaning too, you're just squandering it. Instead of relating to your creator and actually trying to gain some wisdom and understanding of our place in the cosmos you've given up, you stuck your head in the sand, you'd rather distract yourself with nonsense and seek ""happiness"". But that's the price of free-will, we're allowed to burn ourselves and blind ourselves. Oh well, enjoy your comfort and the hell it leads to.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712183
146294362,146312176,2017-10-22 22:43:20,">>146311966
Why do you think there should be a reason?
https://youtu.be/Cghg-QyTP_M?t=69",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712200
146294362,146312178,2017-10-22 22:43:20,">>146311758
Yeah, pretty sure I recall /pol/ going through a massive atheist phase and that fedora meme was made specifically to mock /pol/. /pol/ always had a christian presence but atheism then was way bigger than Christianity is now on /pol/
But what do I know, tomorrow is my first day on /pol/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508712200
146294362,146312179,2017-10-22 22:43:20,">>146311654
The faith is by definition weak, designed to make you bend over piously.
The actual men who did impressive feats were only using religion as a proxy for nationalism, and to justify their position above plebs. They died for their country, a real cause, while saying the name of god so that idiot plebs would cheer them.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508712200
146294362,146312220,2017-10-22 22:43:47,">>146311966
You may be confusing two different meanings of the word ""WHY"". The first is ""by what mechanism did it come to be?"", and the second is ""for what intent or purpose was it made to be?"". The first is an active area of research, I'm no expert, but if you google for early-universe cosmology, you should be able to find most of what you need to read (be careful, there be differential equations). If you ask for what purpose it exists, you are begging the question, and assuming it has one, or even that it needs one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508712227
146294362,146312403,2017-10-22 22:45:36,">>146311595
>>Atheism invented in Europe by white ancient Greeks before Abrahamic religions
No intelligent greeks were atheists, even the empiricist who loved atoms like the Epicureans were polytheists and also believed in some supreme God-king, but they thought he was made of some sort of matter, and didn't interfere with ppl's lives.
Only a retard would deny the possibility of the existence of higher beings, cosmic beings. And only an absolute retard would deny the existence of his creator, the one who also made the universe.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712336
146294362,146312531,2017-10-22 22:47:07,">>146312176
I just want to hear what atheists believe on this subject. Are you saying it doesn't go further than ""dunno?""
>>146312220
Well what I mean to say is, why is there something rather than nothing? 
And if your explanation for this involves differential equations, please go ahead, since I'm an engineering student and I know calculus pretty well",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712427
146294362,146312543,2017-10-22 22:47:17,">>146311687
people who are subversive elements of society like faggots liberals and other scum bags need to be removed",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712437
146294362,146312556,2017-10-22 22:47:21,">>146312148
>No, my life has meaning
And a very selfish one at that.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712441
146294362,146312583,2017-10-22 22:47:39,">>146312179
If they used religion as a proxy for nationalism, then why did the Spanish royalty fund the spread of missionaries in the Americas?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712459
146294362,146312610,2017-10-22 22:47:58,">>146311966
Science doesn't claim to know what doesn't knows. That's why science advances: you search the answers.
Theists pretend to know all the answers magically. That's why they are wrong all the time. They are forced to defend stupid fantasies of the ignorant stone age:
Earth is flat. Proven wrong
Earth is the center of the universe. Proven wrong
Earth is 6000 years old. Proven wrong
Humans were created magically. Proven wrong
Religion = Idiocy of caveman",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712478
146294362,146312648,2017-10-22 22:48:20,">>146312543
I wholeheartedly agree like seen here >>146306127.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712500
146294362,146312651,2017-10-22 22:48:23,">>146311840
>not an argument
The question was, why are atheists so bad at science? Maybe because they sap their energy with degeneracy. Or waste their time on nihilistic, hedonistic frivolities. It truly is the ideology most susceptible to jewry. Only a sophistic argument away from full communism. It is observably the main cause of white genocide through low birth rates and the degeneracy of the West through being bad at science or creating anything of value whatsoever.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508712503
146294362,146312725,2017-10-22 22:49:13,">>146312179
i find it funny how retards like you say some of the most important aspects of religion in society and then ignore it like it's nothing because you're a faggot that is butthurt that God hates fags",,Anonymous,0defc630463746ceed068dcb0c76e88d571c901bd0d637fb42ac02dcb8294a2d.png,Y3qXf07regi+IQ4fcfbWYQ==,,,1508712553
146294362,146312764,2017-10-22 22:49:41,">>146311726
>Because the conditions existed on this planet for them to be here at this time, nothing more.
>hurrr plants exist cause the right ingredients existed and the right design and causes existed and the right...
wow, really? ya think?
what made the necessary conditions possible and actual in the first place? what condition made the universe possible and what cause made it actual? you're not going back far enough, as usual atheists are blind and dimwitted, and can't comprehend the necessity of an ultimate, transcendental cause. 
And that a material world without such a transcendent cause leads to infinite regress, and simply can't exist. Dumb dumbs.
I dont like calling dumb people dumb, since it probably hurts their feelings, but I have biblical support ""only the fool says in his heart there is no God.""",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712581
146294362,146312776,2017-10-22 22:49:48,">>146312531
>I just want to hear what atheists believe on this subject. Are you saying it doesn't go further than ""dunno?""
Except it's not an atheist question. Why is God's name Yahweh?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712588
146294362,146312786,2017-10-22 22:49:56,">>146294362
This is why people don't take atheists seriously allow people to practice there religion freely, especially if it encourages self preservation like Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712596
146294362,146312795,2017-10-22 22:50:05,">>146312610
Ok but I didn't ask about what science thinks about it, since science can't answer metaphysical questions. I asked for the explanation that atheists have for why there is something rather than nothing. I am just curious and want to hear what atheists believe on this.
So I want to hear you tell me why you believe there is something rather than nothing, not to insult religion.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712605
146294362,146312824,2017-10-22 22:50:19,">>146312651
Atheists bad at science? that's the most retarded stuff ever said on 4chan",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712619
146294362,146312854,2017-10-22 22:50:35,">>146312651
>why are atheists so bad at science
Because chriscucks are good at sweeping generalizations, apparently.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712635
146294362,146312858,2017-10-22 22:50:39,">>146312648
religion is one of the building blocks for society, atheism is a hole in the ground that makes society impossible to exist
also your buddy cantwell will become christian",,Anonymous,1496957866591.gif,syR61F3K1As/5G1Hcz4fQw==,,,1508712639
146294362,146312886,2017-10-22 22:50:53,">>146311966
Here's a better one - HOW does god exist? No magical answers here. I expect only logic. If everything has an origin, then EVERYTHING has an origin. I believe god, as he is known now, came about roughly 6,000 years ago in the imaginations of men, but ""he"" existed long before than, also in imaginations, just in different forms.
Atheists don't know how matter exists, and furthermore, we don't make up fairy tales to explain it. We don't need them. It doesn't matter. No pun intended. We're here now. I doubt that a story book would explain it. One day, science may arrive at an answer that isn't just a theory. The big bang may be right. Maybe it isn't, but it's based upon science and observations, not mysticism and magic. Don't think you have a corner on creation because someone came up with an acceptable fairy tale for your little social group; your bullshit story is FAR less likely than even the big bang. If that's what you're using as a reason for being religious, you're even less capable of rational thought than I gave you credit for.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508712653
146294362,146312914,2017-10-22 22:51:09,">>146312776
It is an atheist question though. Atheism, like theism, is a metaphysical worldview. So it must have some kind of reason for why anything at all exists.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712669
146294362,146312917,2017-10-22 22:51:12,">>146312786
>especially if it encourages self preservation like Christianity.
60%",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712672
146294362,146312942,2017-10-22 22:51:21,Friendly reminder to ignore meme flags.,,Anonymous,,,BR,,1508712681
146294362,146313008,2017-10-22 22:51:58,">>146312858
>religion is one of the building blocks for society, atheism is a hole in the ground that makes society impossible to exist
Why? Because you said so? Religion is just a phase, like polytheism.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712718
146294362,146313040,2017-10-22 22:52:10,">>146312531
Again, if you're asking ""how did it come to be"", https://arxiv.org/pdf/1103.2271.pdf could be a good start (if a bit out-dated, it was just the first result). But if you're asking ""what is the reason"" then you're asking a question that doesn't have an answer. Just because it exists doesn't mean that something or someone wanted it to. 
And just because we don't have all the answers is not licence for you to fill in the gaps with whatever fairy-story most appeals to you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508712730
146294362,146313074,2017-10-22 22:52:30,">>146312795
>why there is something rather than nothing
Science doesn't know, and doesn't claim to know.
Neither religion knows. Claiming something is not knowing.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712750
146294362,146313081,2017-10-22 22:52:34,">>146311840
>not an argument
Nor does it answer the question, which was, why are atheists so bad at science? Maybe because they sap their energy with degeneracy. Or waste their time on nihilistic, hedonistic frivolities. It really is the ideology most susceptible to jewry and irrationality. Only a sophistic argument away from full communism. Atheists are observably the main cause of white genocide through low birth rates, and enable the degeneracy of the West, not least by being bad at science or creating anything of value whatsoever.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508712754
146294362,146313128,2017-10-22 22:53:03,">>146312914
>must
There's no must. 
People love operating with that word.
>atheists must have no morals
>there's must be a reason
>must must must
The reason is irrelevant after all.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712783
146294362,146313181,2017-10-22 22:53:30,">>146312858
another empty claim without proof.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712810
146294362,146313191,2017-10-22 22:53:34,">>146312886
This thread is ""atheism general."" I came here to better understand what atheists believe, so I want to hear the atheist explanation for this.
I have not said any of my own views, I am just asking what your views on this subject are. Could you at least explain to me why you believe that the question of why there is something rather than nothing does not matter?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712814
146294362,146313231,2017-10-22 22:53:54,">>146312725
Just because it does useful things still doesn't make its claims real, you kike loving slobbering autist.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508712834
146294362,146313250,2017-10-22 22:54:03,">>146311840
>Every one of them proved christianity being wrong.
>newton who was so devout he died trying to reach God through mathematics is now an atheist trying to disprove God
>Einstein, for example, was an atheist Jew.
No just a kike following his talmud not an atheist",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712843
146294362,146313279,2017-10-22 22:54:21,">>146312795
Atheists default to science, but more importantly, we know that whatever happened took place before history was written. We don't need an answer, but science will continue to look for it because it's interesting to do so, not because we feel lost without it. The whys and hows that explain things that no one has any hope of finding simply aren't that important when there are so many other things that are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508712861
146294362,146313323,2017-10-22 22:54:45,">>146313074
But what is your view?
>>146313128
Why is the question of why there is something rather than nothing an irrelevant question? Isn't it a very fundamentally important question?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712885
146294362,146313397,2017-10-22 22:55:28,">>146313081
Were is the proof that atheists are bad at science?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712928
146294362,146313400,2017-10-22 22:55:30,">>146312556
>being what you were meant to be is selfish
>loving God and your neighbor as yourself is selfish
kek, no. 
what is selfish is ignoring your Creator and instead worshiping pleasure, being mired trivial hobbies or worshiping some ideology, some political or economic system, or some man-made philosophy thinking it can save people.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712930
146294362,146313414,2017-10-22 22:55:38,">>146313231
>the atheist autist is now calling me an autist
a new level man",,Anonymous,CbgEu5LWEAEe5lH.jpg,rTcmACVaRRY6JEQhX+XUNw==,,,1508712938
146294362,146313442,2017-10-22 22:55:57,">>146313323
>Why is the question of why there is something rather than nothing an irrelevant question?
Because it's unattainable and it's unattainable it makes no difference.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712957
146294362,146313456,2017-10-22 22:56:08,">>146313279
You sound like an Evangelical here. ""Science will provide, and if it will not we don't need it"" Haven't any atheists thought of this question before? I would expect someone has",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508712968
146294362,146313506,2017-10-22 22:56:36,">>146313008
You know you can't build a society on capitalism and rand",,Anonymous,,,,,1508712996
146294362,146313570,2017-10-22 22:57:09,">>146312858
Religion was only a building block of modern society because mankind needed to be afraid of something they couldn't control in order to behave themselves and accept that societies are the only way for our species to advance past caves and hitting things with clubs. There's no greater reason. Magic isn't real.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713029
146294362,146313571,2017-10-22 22:57:09,">>146313400
>wanting to get to heaven is not selfish
Ok.
> instead worshiping pleasure, being mired trivial hobbies or worshiping some ideology, some political or economic system, or some man-made philosophy thinking it can save people.
Oh, you're just trolling.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713029
146294362,146313612,2017-10-22 22:57:30,">>146313442
Well a man from 1600 would believe that getting a man in space is unattainable, but that was possible. So it's no excuse for not having an answer to this question",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713050
146294362,146313639,2017-10-22 22:57:49,">>146313191
>>146313323
You're making the same mistake that many theists do, just in a different context. 
You make the claim that ""why is there matter?"" is a meaningful question. We reject that claim on the grounds that you have not convinced us. You then proceed to demand that we provide evidence that your claim is not correct.
Do you see the problem here? Replace ""is why is there matter? important"" with ""the existence of god"" and you have the classic burden of proof problem.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713069
146294362,146313650,2017-10-22 22:57:57,">>146313506
>You know you can't build a society on natsoc
Wow, what an argument.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713077
146294362,146313653,2017-10-22 22:57:58,">>146304978
the catholic church has always been compromised fucking get it through your skull retards",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713078
146294362,146313668,2017-10-22 22:58:06,">>146296025
>Ignores 2000 years of the brightest white men
kek, amerijudens everyone
>>Pretends the whole time they were just saying over and over, ""The bible is true because it says it is.""
Plz enlight us with the evidence",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1508713086
146294362,146313708,2017-10-22 22:58:32,">>146313612
>So it's no excuse for not having an answer to this question
Well, actually IT IS an excuse. We're not on the level yet.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713112
146294362,146313729,2017-10-22 22:58:39,">>146294362
All great men who didn't perpetuate any abr*hamic religion was an atheist, any who did was a Jew. This is a fact",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713119
146294362,146313800,2017-10-22 22:59:26,">>146313570
>Religion was only a building block of modern society because mankind needed to be afraid of something they couldn't control in order to behave themselves and accept that societies are the only way for our species to advance past caves and hitting things with clubs.
>He thinks people still aren't past this phase yet and ever will
>There's no greater reason. Magic isn't real.
It's like on que, atheism and then nihilism 
Go jump off a bridge faggot",,Anonymous,1506735300637.jpg,PUoWlBL4vV0KOupoY07Z7A==,,,1508713166
146294362,146313836,2017-10-22 22:59:47,">>146312942
Then you wouldn't get any (you)'s...",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508713187
146294362,146313851,2017-10-22 22:59:52,">>146313639
Again, I have not mentioned any of my own views and I just came into this thread to see what atheists think about this question, so I don't appreciate you assuming that I am making an argument. I often go into x general threads just to find out what people believe on particular topics so I can better understand that point of view.
What is your belief on this question?
>>146313708
Why not?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713192
146294362,146313853,2017-10-22 22:59:54,">>146313650
what are you going to do die for your toaster?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713194
146294362,146313881,2017-10-22 23:00:09,">>146309936
Without an ACTUAL God, people don't give a fuck. That includes bullshit philosophical ""God"" as an archetype, etc. It's just LARPing.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713209
146294362,146313892,2017-10-22 23:00:16,">>146313323
>But what is your view?
I aren't arrogant enough to pretend to know.
If a retard comes and pretends that a god created anything, that's as good as saying that a magical frog had a fart that created the universe. It is a stupid answer.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713216
146294362,146313905,2017-10-22 23:00:28,">>146294362
>what is atheism
Crying on the internet because someone has ideas and you don't. Whoa, atheism is so cool.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713228
146294362,146313911,2017-10-22 23:00:32,">>146312942
I was doing a good job of ignoring your flag for that reason",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713232
146294362,146313924,2017-10-22 23:00:42,">>146313191
I can't say it any clearer - there is no common belief among atheists for the origin of everything, other than the big bang. Most of us accept that mainly because we don't care. There's no hidden meaning and we aren't empty without it. We don't need it. You won't get an answer because there isn't one. Atheists don't default to fairy tales where science leaves off; we just accept that we're here. Case closed. It isn't a concern of ours. It really shouldn't be a concern of yours. If you're truly here to learn about atheism, you're asking the wrong questions, but you wouldn't even know to be open to the right ones, so you're probably wasting your time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713242
146294362,146313931,2017-10-22 23:00:44,">>146312610
>Earth is flat. Proven wrong
The scriptures describe a round Earth a floating in space.
Flat disc on the back of a large animals is primitive tribal mythology.
>Earth is the center of the universe. Proven wrong
There is no ""center of the universe"".
>Earth is 6000 years old. Proven wrong
No proofs for billion of years either.
>Humans were created magically. Proven wrong
No proofs for alternate theories either.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1508713244
146294362,146313971,2017-10-22 23:01:11,">>146313851
>Why not?
Why yes?
>>146313853
>what are you going to do die for your toaster?
What?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713271
146294362,146313999,2017-10-22 23:01:29,">>146309948
>I'm such a brainwashed idiot that I don't know how to function without invisible daddy.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713289
146294362,146314035,2017-10-22 23:01:48,">>146308699
plz show evidence, actual evidence.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1508713308
146294362,146314074,2017-10-22 23:02:09,">>146313851
Alright, I'll be frank: I don't know, and I don't care. Why the universe exists does not impact my day to day choices. 
And really, you are making an argument, because the question ""why does anything exist"" implies that there must be a reason. And your refusal to accept ""There is no reason"" as an answer solidifies that.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713329
146294362,146314106,2017-10-22 23:02:33,">>146313971
yes libertard what ""greater morals"" save bottomless degeneracy and sin are YOU willing to die for",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713353
146294362,146314127,2017-10-22 23:02:45,">>146313397
Here >>146310681
So why ARE atheists so bad at science, despite claiming a monopoly over it?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1508713365
146294362,146314171,2017-10-22 23:03:08,">>146313571
when you make hate speech against women and gays, to congratiate with your god, you are hurting people which made no harm to you, and yo do it for your own benefit.
That's selfish. Is evil. Is stupid. Is immoral.
You gain nothing. But you do it out of greed.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713388
146294362,146314198,2017-10-22 23:03:23,">>146308213
The prophecy is in Ezekiel, but your gonna want to learn about how the biblical reckoning of days, months, and years work.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713403
146294362,146314241,2017-10-22 23:03:46,">>146314106
You're not making any sense. I think you're suffering from a stroke.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713426
146294362,146314274,2017-10-22 23:04:14,">>146313892
This sounds similar to Evangelicals saying ""I can't explain God, but you should just believe."" Why are you satisfied with this state of things?
>>146313924
Why is the question of why anything exists not just unimportant, but also a question that is somehow wrong? I don't believe that questions can be wrong.
>>146313971
Why are we not yet advanced to know why matter exists?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713454
146294362,146314311,2017-10-22 23:04:37,>>146295140,,Anonymous,tip it.gif,7p7X+xy3x4puFgfSLqh0uA==,US,,1508713477
146294362,146314324,2017-10-22 23:04:47,">>146313971
>>146314241
He's asking you what are you willing to die for",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713487
146294362,146314368,2017-10-22 23:05:15,">>146309673
I don't really understand why you are censoring Germanic peoples? I guess you are a non-white?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713515
146294362,146314371,2017-10-22 23:05:17,">>146314274
>Why are we not yet advanced to know why matter exists?
Why people in 1600s weren't advanced enough to reach space? Now answer that question from the perspective of people in 1600s.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713517
146294362,146314374,2017-10-22 23:05:18,">>146312914
""Why"" only matters if you're looking for further meaning. Atheists don't think in terms of the ""meaning"" of things, because there is no meaning. It just is. Meanings are things for religions and relationships.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713518
146294362,146314378,2017-10-22 23:05:19,">>146313639
>You make the claim that ""why is there matter?"" is a meaningful question
why is there matter is a scientifically meaningful question, and science is the only thing that at least has made some advances.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713519
146294362,146314456,2017-10-22 23:06:11,">>146314378
Again, you are mixing up ""the mechanism for"" and ""the purpose/intent of"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713571
146294362,146314457,2017-10-22 23:06:11,">>146314074
Well most of the things on /pol/ will not impact your day to day choices either, but yet you're here so obviously you care about them. So why is this one particular thing not worth caring about?
And if the atheist view for why anything exists is ""there is no reason"" that sounds an awful lot like low-church Protestant who say that they don't need a reason to believe in God",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713571
146294362,146314470,2017-10-22 23:06:23,">>146301899
>God you simply put man in place of him
Wow that really bad man I want some jew god to tell me what to do and force me to kneel down to him. Thanks a lot you fucking christcuck faggot I really need a fucking kike telling me what to do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713583
146294362,146314540,2017-10-22 23:06:56,">>146294362
David was King of the Jews. Jesus was murdered by them. 
Watching heathens try to rationalize how killing small animals on top of a rock is somehow an enlightened faith kind of funny in a pathetic way.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713616
146294362,146314545,2017-10-22 23:07:01,">>146313924
>atheists don't default to fairytales
Such tales seem to be the only thing we can actually trust.
>no common belief
this is because they are epistemically retarded, they are incapable of knowledge.
>we aren't empty without it
And yet the secular West is gutting itself.
>>146313931
I think you got him
>pic rel",,Anonymous,Straw man.jpg,+a7Q03izES3tlQgdU4Kudg==,US,,1508713621
146294362,146314560,2017-10-22 23:07:09,">>146314241
Libertard read what I posted, WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DIE FOR",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713629
146294362,146314566,2017-10-22 23:07:15,">>146314374
Then I will be flexible with my ""why:"" what is the process that caused there to be matter rather than no matter?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508713635
146294362,146314592,2017-10-22 23:07:26,">>146314171
Haha! Look at this fool that thinks ""hate speech"" is a thing that exists! Talk about believing a complete myth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713646
146294362,146314607,2017-10-22 23:07:41,">>146314371
>we will get there someday
Oh come on now, you know damn well that's a stupid as fuck answer.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713661
146294362,146314627,2017-10-22 23:07:50,>>146310660,,Anonymous,1482053659342.jpg,AKRY790N3PTqXfH+JFL7Wg==,US,,1508713670
146294362,146314658,2017-10-22 23:08:07,">>146314106
Your tendency to assume everyone (and by extension, yourself) would immediately descend into mindless hedonism without the metaphorical gun to your head really doesn't reflect well on you, or your ideas.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713687
146294362,146314675,2017-10-22 23:08:16,">>146305610
Why not?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713696
146294362,146314776,2017-10-22 23:09:15,">>146313181
>another empty claim without proof.
look around you, the West is experiencing the fruits of atheism as we speak: Nietzsche was the prophet of relativism and egoism and with him came: faggotry, promiscuity, abortion, consumerism, mass egoism, trannyism, worship of power, everyone has made themselves into a little god and their personal comfort and pursuit of happiness is #1 priority. No more concern about what's actually right and wrong, true and false, people demand the privilege of ""self-determination"" and ""freedom"" which simply means becoming slaves to their passions.
 
instead of churches you have malls.
instead of holy communion you have mcdonalds.
instead of courtship and marriage you get nightclubs and tinder.
instead of men being heroic and self-sacrificing and raising large families they play video games and watch anime and become mgtows and put their girlfriends on contraceptives.
instead of having strict social hierarchy, a king, nobility and order, you get liberal democracy, female and nigger presidents, faggots running school systems, and muslims inviting themselves into your neighborhoods. None of this should could have happened in the 14th century or 7th century. We would've called a crusade against muslims. Women would've been laughed out of politics. Faggots would be put on trial for being abominations. Everything Christianity values is good and pure because its true. Everything that spawns out of Atheism is garbage.
Atheism promoted the ""Enlightened Humanism"" of the 17th century, the feminist movements, the egalitarian movements, which turned man into the measure of all things and made his whims and desires the arbiter of good and evil, right and wrong. And from there you got woman suffrage, the disintegration of social order and hierarchy, then you got hard materialism, man becoming blind, his intuition retarded, communism, scientism, transhumanism. etc",,Anonymous,3a58a8c41c703ac0b169e12d29438ccceb3e68bc871a484be1ee6ca46928d06d.jpg,FFrUNTZFrWsc8c5uoM/uRA==,,,1508713755
146294362,146314786,2017-10-22 23:09:21,">>146314560
Nope, still not making any sense. Are you trying to rope me into some death cult?",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713761
146294362,146314832,2017-10-22 23:09:46,">>146314627
>not real pagans
Hitler, being a romantic, writing poetry about Germanic mythology makes him no more a pagan than Tolkien.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713786
146294362,146314877,2017-10-22 23:10:11,">>146314776
>look around you, the West is experiencing the fruits of atheism as we speak
USA is still 75% Christan.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508713811
146294362,146314931,2017-10-22 23:10:40,">>146302421
There is zero evidence to support the religion of atheism. 
You weren't talking to me, but I'm not a Christian because I'm rebelling against an idea I just don't like. I believe because atheism is illogical and silly. I can imagine exactly how the theory of evolution came about, all the extrapolation and conjecture and all the speculation. I also don't agree that because we don't have physical evidence of a lack of God, that I shouldn't believe just in case. That's just plain silliness to be practiced by the simplest of minds. The facts are easy to comprehend. Man is afraid to be judged and men are afraid of God. Fear is the author of atheism. Many years ago, men were created to obey God. Some got pissy, so man created atheism to deny God's ""morals"" as they became known as. The denial of God became known as ""Science"". (and many others - evolution isn't the only denial of God) Man became a symbol to be worshiped by man, and no one was left alive to know that atheism is all a product of Satan.
Show me proof of God's nonexistence and I'll stop believing. You can't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713840
146294362,146314995,2017-10-22 23:11:14,">>146294362
Jesus saves, OP. There is still time!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713874
146294362,146315026,2017-10-22 23:11:37,">>146314877
>USA is still 75% Christan.
Not even close.
Protestantism by definition is not Christianity.
And modern Protestantism does even resemble a religion but a social club,",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713897
146294362,146315031,2017-10-22 23:11:40,">>146313456
Relating me to a religious nut is erroneous and ignorant. We just don't care. It doesn't matter. If we figure it out, neat. If not, who cares? In reality, we have the same facts you do; we just don't choose to disregard the ones that don't fit the stories created before science even existed, and rationale dictates that we'll never know, because we can't go back and watch it. In the end, it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. How we exist has no bearing on the fact that we do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713900
146294362,146315096,2017-10-22 23:12:16,">>146314566
Matter is made up of particles, which are exitiations of various fields, which are transferred through various carrier particles. The laws of physics mostly descend from a few constants which are experimentally determined. Were the constants different, different phenomenon would occur. It might be possible that something approximating life might exist under other constants. There is also the idea that these constants are not, and actually change over time, and that we might actually be one cosmic ray burst from existence erasing itself. 
Again, its an ongoing field of research, you're talking about something that mankind has only been concerning itself with for about a century, at most.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508713936
146294362,146315109,2017-10-22 23:12:25,,,Anonymous,christian demographics.png,bKbt/NvZXFxKCob3BrWkFQ==,US,,1508713945
146294362,146315266,2017-10-22 23:13:53,">>146315031
Can you prove that it doesn't matter?
And again, I am just asking questions so don't assume anything about me
>>146315096
But particles are still something. So that just pushes the question further back: what process causes particles to exist rather than to not exist?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508714033
146294362,146315283,2017-10-22 23:14:02,,,Anonymous,1496519550633.png,UAMxdQ/UgaC5dlD99O9e9g==,US,,1508714042
146294362,146315299,2017-10-22 23:14:12,">>146314877
Protestants are cultural christians who worship the bible and have no connection to ancient, authentic Christianity. Spiritually they are extremely dead.
Only orthodox countries can maintain a semblence of authenticity, but even they are being undermined by atheist-liberal-cucks.
The differences between Eastern Europe and Western Europe/America are starting to show. One big difference is the west is an atheist abomination, while the east still has some light in it.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508714052
146294362,146315313,2017-10-22 23:14:21,">>146314931
On the off-chance you're not baiting, you're not clever. This is called the burden of proof. You make a positive claim ""X exists"", you must supply the evidence. We do not make a claim, we reject yours, you are so entrenched in your ideas that you assume that it is the default state. I have some bad news for you: it isn't.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714061
146294362,146315416,2017-10-22 23:15:20,,,Anonymous,1496474850509.jpg,YN+gpfhzNTfvO2AUnMN27Q==,US,,1508714120
146294362,146315429,2017-10-22 23:15:28,">>146315299
>Only orthodox countries can maintain a semblence of authenticity, but even they are being undermined by
themselves. I live in one.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1508714128
146294362,146315449,2017-10-22 23:15:35,">>146314627
So the marvel comic book writers are pagans?!
Also I find it funny how you ignore the fact Hitler dissed himmler for his autism",,Anonymous,Himmler was a tist.png,VFuo7vZHpoKe4Ja/ET0awA==,,,1508714135
146294362,146315533,2017-10-22 23:16:29,,,Anonymous,1497393033661.jpg,E+5SnSs922AG7C8LvKAwOA==,US,,1508714189
146294362,146315581,2017-10-22 23:16:52,">>146313800
False equivalency, cunt. If you're going to school, quit. It won't help you. Your powers of deduction are feeble.
The story of the origin of everything not mattering doesn't mean nothing matters, dumbass. We are a part of a species that we inherently want to continue simply because we belong to it. The ability to experience things on the level that we do means that we enjoy living life and having experiences. Life matters, just not for the spooky fairy-tale bullshit reasons that it does to you, faggot. I've met dogs owned by niggers that are smarter than you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714212
146294362,146315582,2017-10-22 23:16:53,">>146315416
I kek hard at the fact pagans had to make this after christians keep on posting their own version
Pagans truly can't meme",,Anonymous,thiskillsthebagan.png,fM1mEnXUmeJwRZzGjPDnWQ==,,,1508714213
146294362,146315594,2017-10-22 23:16:59,">>146315313
>claiming God doesn't exist isn't a claim",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714219
146294362,146315693,2017-10-22 23:17:46,">>146313905
You actually just described christians and muslims, faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714266
146294362,146315698,2017-10-22 23:17:51,">>146315582
I kek hard at the fact that Christians are beaners and niggers.",,Anonymous,1500152310493.jpg,+fyALaUy5l4H3axXths8HQ==,US,,1508714271
146294362,146315721,2017-10-22 23:18:02,">>146315581
>he's going to school
kek get a job faggot and put food on the table, your college degree is worth less than toliet paper these days",,Anonymous,,,,,1508714282
146294362,146315768,2017-10-22 23:18:38,">>146315416
.",,Anonymous,DMxVh2ZUEAA3mN9.jpg large.jpg,+0m6l86Mm/GbEQfiw97srQ==,,,1508714318
146294362,146315895,2017-10-22 23:19:55,">>146315594
I don't claim it doesn't exist, I reject your claim that it does. Just as you reject the claims that all other proposed gods exist. I reject one more claim than you do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714395
146294362,146315905,2017-10-22 23:20:05,">>146314127
Only the sith speak in absolutes, darth faggot. You claim that we have the science market cornered, not us.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714405
146294362,146315907,2017-10-22 23:20:04,">>146315698
>hurr niggers believe in sorta the same thing you do
you realize there are gay nigger pagans right?",,Anonymous,1496693648067.jpg,hdTfAFWOCO0mUPRknml2eA==,,,1508714404
146294362,146316085,2017-10-22 23:21:52,">>146315698
pagans are cumdrinking atheists
>According to Fleck (pp. 339ff) Valföðrs veð is not Odinn’s eye but his sperm, and thus is identical with the aurr...this is contained in Heimdallr’s horn, which is not a trumpet, but a drinking horn.
>sperm in a drinking horn",,Anonymous,DLZCtGQW0AA1NMK.jpg,fDUwXyoRNiCBDgNF4iLWwg==,,,1508714512
146294362,146316108,2017-10-22 23:22:00,">>146315026
>tfw catholicism is getting to that point too
why the fuck did Vatican 2 get through",,Anonymous,,,,,1508714520
146294362,146316146,2017-10-22 23:22:18,">>146315907
Do you enjoy wasting your time? I'm seriously not sure why you even bother? You have been posting the same fucking picture of the same fucking faggots every fucking thread. I can go to any church that I felt like walk in take photos of all the fat pieces of shit fucking niggers and other race mixing go on any time I want too. You cannot do that with legit paganism fucking vice can't even find a pagan group that is full of faggots outside of one fucking faggot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714538
146294362,146316160,2017-10-22 23:22:23,">>146314198
Even if all the reasons in the world aligned, I guarantee that the interpretation is still entirely ambiguous. You could ""factor"" it to the minute. The other 99% is still ambiguous. No portion of even a perfect example, as laid out in biblical terms, constitutes irrefutable truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714543
146294362,146316193,2017-10-22 23:22:47,">>146315895
I don't claim He does exist, I reject your claim that He doesn't. Just as you reject the claims that all other proposed gods exist. I reject just as many claims as you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714567
146294362,146316229,2017-10-22 23:23:03,">>146294362
Pro white atheists are the best atheists to be with. Highly educated and rightwing. Truly redpilled. My freind was one, I remember being a Jew worshiping faggot back then.",,Anonymous,foto_56479acd63e137ee8b4f7be7b16d7da_org.jpg,DuelRgL6GkWd7SxxkoebKg==,,,1508714583
146294362,146316396,2017-10-22 23:24:32,">>146311699
Every intelligent person already knows the traditional religions are bullshit. It's just with mental gymnastics they come up with some bullshit ""mystery = God"", ""universe=God"" crap.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508714672
146294362,146316576,2017-10-22 23:26:12,">>146316396
Can you prove this? Seems like a logical fallacy",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508714772
146294362,146316597,2017-10-22 23:26:27,">>146315907
NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK",,Anonymous,1468714232472.jpg,lZkIdshTYu1ViSpdtyjKtA==,US,,1508714787
146294362,146316661,2017-10-22 23:27:01,">>146316193
>I don't claim He does exist
Good, so you'll be fine giving up all of your beliefs which are predicated on its existence? 
Also, why are you using ""he""? Are you claiming, not only it exists, but it is male? Or that it even makes sense to call it male or female? You've made a claim without realizing it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508714821
146294362,146316665,2017-10-22 23:27:04,">>146316146
I enjoy atheist, and wigger pagan butthurt
>I can go to any church that I felt like walk in take photos of all the fat pieces of shit fucking niggers and other race mixing go on any time I want too. You cannot do that with legit paganism fucking vice can't even find a pagan group that is full of faggots outside of one fucking faggot.
You do realize it would take months of searching to find a pagan meet up right? You can walk into any old church because if you go in a direction long enough YOU WILL FIND A CHURCH, where as for me, I have to search up and down for pagan faggotry, but everytime I find pagans, I find cringe worthy faggotry going on, where as if I go to a traditionalist church, I will find nothing but honor to God.
summed up short there are not enough pagans because paganism is a dead religion, and it will stay that way",,Anonymous,1496444734003.jpg,mlimUE7HAiLaE+DNug1ouQ==,,,1508714824
146294362,146316679,2017-10-22 23:27:16,reminder atheists and jews are literally one and the same,,Anonymous,1487162207739.jpg,w/Q0LtW6PfhD81kIJpp5kw==,US,,1508714836
146294362,146316784,2017-10-22 23:28:13,">>146294362
Ask yourself why atheists mainly target Christianity when Islam and Judaism are equally world powerful religions. That will answer your question if your IQ is above 100 .",,Anonymous,,,,,1508714893
146294362,146316816,2017-10-22 23:28:29,">>146315895
this is so stupid, God is not a ""being among many"" that you can reject like you reject Odin or Thor or species of Tree or Lion... 
there are no other ""gods"" beside him, those are just hypothetical, finite beings, of the same order as aliens or superheroes. God is the ultimate reality, the ultimate cause of this world and the realist thing there is, the ground of being, only a retard would ""reject God"".
I reject Odin and all those false little-g ""gods"" because they have nothing to do with God, the ultimate reality, the source of life and the judge of the world. I reject them because they are false projections.
God, big G, exists by definition, by necessity, existence is his nature, existence is his essence, in fact he is beyond existence and non-existence, he simply IS.... everything else is illusory and transient, compared to him, relative to him, we are just shadows.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508714909
146294362,146316946,2017-10-22 23:29:46,">>146316784
>Ask yourself why atheists mainly target Christianity
Sure, the answer is Jews.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1508714986
146294362,146316987,2017-10-22 23:30:06,">>146316229
Fixed that image.",,Anonymous,religion.png,FP5U1BKHnEjIrQz1sBLYWw==,US,,1508715006
146294362,146316997,2017-10-22 23:30:12,">>146316597
you do realize that was paul telling the greeks that the whole jew hating non jews thing wasn't going down in christianity Pius the 10th said that nations can and are worthy enough to die for, so your attempt to link that passage with ""whites must commit suicide"" is at best disingenuous and worst just another Christ hater lie",,Anonymous,,,,,1508715012
146294362,146317052,2017-10-22 23:30:48,">>146316784
Apparently you've never met an ex-Muslim. Or any atheist not from a majority christian nation.
>>146316816
Just because you label the universe as your god, doesn't mean that the rest of your asserted properties are magically true. I've responded to this exact argument already in >>146311459.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508715048
146294362,146317199,2017-10-22 23:32:15,">>146316597
>NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE ... (in christ)
>I DO NOT ALLOW WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH THEY MUST REMAIN SILENT
>NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK (..in christ)
>hurrr this means race doesn't real and you can do anything with anyone and blacks are the same as whites and go fuck niggers
no, brainlet. Read the bible.",,Anonymous,,,,,1508715135
146294362,146317200,2017-10-22 23:32:16,">>146314274
You can ask whatever you want, but you won't get an insight into the mind of an atheist by pumping us for answers regarding things that can only be explained through guesses. Atheists don't have a theology. We only default to what can be proven. Since the answer, or even the question, doesn't affect how we live our lives, I can't express enough that we simply don't care why. It doesn't matter. Atheism doesn't look for meaning, only religion does that. If you want to know how atheists tick, you have to be open to the fact that no superstitions, ghosts, gods, angels or demons are reality. they're stories that were made up to explain the unexplainable, and to add insult to injury, these answers were created long before science came about, so the reasoning behind them is transparently obvious - mankind is fearful of what it doesn't know. Atheist minds are calm in the face of the unknown. We don't need to know. It's a concept so foreign to religious types that you reject the concept before you even have a chance to accept that other minds think this way by default. 
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know that you weren't living just to be accepted by some unknowable creator? When I was young, born, raised and confirmed catholic, it took tremendous thought to attempt to grasp this fairyland that came with religion. Atheism makes sense. Asking ""why"" isn't natural to us, only ""how?"", and even then, we're rational about our limitations. It doesn't possess us and cause us to do mental gymnastics to rationalize the un-rationalizable.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508715136
146294362,146317231,2017-10-22 23:32:31,">>146316229
>libertarians start becoming wise to race
>atheist pro white becomes a thing
It's like there is a pattern here",,Anonymous,thinking_toten.png,fKEl53wEgJFLJelkAIvlLQ==,,,1508715151
146294362,146317250,2017-10-22 23:32:43,">>146316665
The only people here that are asshurt is you I fucking love seeing christians have mental break downs over evidence brought forth. I also fucking laugh at how they double down on there insanity shits just like a fucking leftist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508715163
146294362,146317291,2017-10-22 23:33:00,">>146312531
Why is there God?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508715180
146294362,146317318,2017-10-22 23:33:15,">>146316661
>I don't claim He doesn't exist
Good, so you'll be fine giving up all of your beliefs which are predicated on His nonexistence? 
Also, why are you using ""it""? Are you claiming, not only He exists, but it is nonbinary? Or that it doesn't make sense to call Him male or female? You've made a claim without realizing it.
also stop reddit spacing, most atheists tend to do this and it's bad manners on 4chan",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508715195
146294362,146317381,2017-10-22 23:33:54,">>146294362
Start another thread.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508715234
146294362,146317508,2017-10-22 23:34:56,">>146317291
Come to the next Christian thread and ask that, I participate in those fairly often
>>146317200
What it seems is that Christians (even the dumbest ones) have a leg up on you here, since it seems they at least want to explain things rather than just lie back and think that it is what it is.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508715296
146294362,146317516,2017-10-22 23:35:00,">>146317250
not even a little butthurt? I gotta step up my gae",,Anonymous,DJI6TALUMAAjO9o.jpg,EEreGK6uJcE5fDTzhpdBkQ==,,,1508715300
146294362,146317525,2017-10-22 23:35:05,">>146314545
Religion really got you hook, line and sinker, didn't it? Believe what you want - I can't cure your mental illness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1508715305
146294362,146317586,2017-10-22 23:35:42,">>146316997
>citing an extra-bibilical source as proof that the bible condones nationalism",,Anonymous,1507171074136.jpg,KqEABFA/GYIuI1bCC0E3yg==,US,,1508715342
146294362,146317675,2017-10-22 23:36:38,">>146317525
>religion is a mental illness 
then I never want to be sane",,Anonymous,1506734838151.png,ozFU61N9+AF5OUO0bkxAHA==,,,1508715398
146294362,146317736,2017-10-22 23:37:07,">>146317586
It's just Protestants who believe in Sola Scriptura (which itself is a non-Biblical doctrine)",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1508715427
147111895,147111895,2017-10-29 13:13:22,"What is Atheism? Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less. That cannot be degenerate.
Atheism is not inherently anti white and pro jew like christianity.
This proves ""degenerate Atheism"" is just another (((christian))) lie. It only exists in their mind. Some of the most anti immigrant countries are highly Atheist.
http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/losing-their-religion-these-are-the-world-s-most-atheistic-countries
http://archive.fo/zaOGw
Atheism is not only older than christianity but also truly European. The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism
http://archive.fo/J5Dw6
Pro-White Atheists and Pagans strongly united against (((christians))),jews and mudslimes.
https://www.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
http://archive.fo/AoXmv",Atheism General /AG/,narrative deconstructor,1506632592674.jpg,NBBSrBrqAGqZSloiZxxG9A==,,,1509282802
147111895,147112591,2017-10-29 13:20:09,"List of Pro-White Atheists and Agnostics:
Alex Linder
Ben Klassen
Craig Cobb
Dr. Kevin MacDonald
Dr. William Luther Pierce
Matt Hale
Revilo Oliver
Tom Metzger",,narrative deconstructor,1505077530730.jpg,OOZbz0qQBV5OSN7SBpkADQ==,,,1509283209
147111895,147112763,2017-10-29 13:21:53,">>147111895
United against (((semites))) my fighting brother
Hail Odin !!!",,Anonymous,pagan love between brothers.jpg,kcP9PrwgENph60fCBYlglg==,,,1509283313
147111895,147112861,2017-10-29 13:22:47,">imagine being this triggered your whole life and then dying and going to hell despite crying out for God on your deathbed
sad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509283367
147111895,147113135,2017-10-29 13:25:18,">paganism
no thanks
Can I join a group that doesn't believe in making blood sacrifice to trees?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509283518
147111895,147113246,2017-10-29 13:26:28,">>147111895
What a shit thread",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1509283588
147111895,147113952,2017-10-29 13:34:18,Atheist as fuck. I'm no fan of these christcucks but our differences should be put aside to fight the left and (((them))). A unified right is a strong right.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1509284058
147111895,147114011,2017-10-29 13:34:52,">>147112763
Nice LARP christfag.
This is what Paganism says about homosexuality, race mixing and other christian degeneracy:
Tacitus's germania on Pagan German Morals:
Germans do not racemix.
Tacitus says (Ch. 2, “Origion and descent of the Germanics”) that physically, the Germanic peoples appear to be a distinct (indigenous), racially pure nation, not a blood admixture of their neighbors: ""For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are free from all taint of intermarriages with foreign nations…"" They are divided into three large branches, the Ingaevones, the Herminones and the Istaevones, deriving their ancestry from three sons of Mannus, son of Tuisto, their common forefather.
Germans are racially pure and healthy.
In Chapter 4, “Racial characteristics of the Germanics“, he attributed to Germanic men and women that they all have common physical characteristics, fierce blue eyes (truces et caerulei oculi = ""sky-coloured blue, dark blue), red-blonde hair (rutilae comae = ""red, golden-red, reddish yellow, golden-blonde"") and tall framers (bodies), vigorous at the first onset but not tolerant of exhausting labour, tolerant of hunger and cold but not of heat.[5]
Germans Reserve death penalty for deserters, faggots.
The death penalty is reserved for two kinds of capital offenses: military treason or desertion was punished by hanging, and moral infamy (cowardice and homosexuality[9]) was punished by throwing the condemned into a bog. The difference in punishment is explained by the idea that ""glaring iniquities"" must be exposed in plain sight, while ""effeminacy and pollution"" should best be buried and concealed.[10] Minor legal disputes were settled on a day-to-day basis by elected chiefs assisted by elected officials.[11]
1/2",,Anonymous,1442622338092.jpg,P86rMR2gaMSEO6i0R+wXdQ==,,,1509284092
147111895,147114298,2017-10-29 13:38:06,">>147112861
>Worship my dead jew or you will burn in my imaginary hell
T. Christ-Retard.",,Anonymous,120c6bfec136cfa810e2de5972bd2535--overly-obsessed-girlfriend-religion-funny.jpg,75GN1AA4gl7XLjPb1+GT6Q==,,,1509284286
147111895,147114310,2017-10-29 13:38:12,">>147111895
Christ is King of Kings.",,Anonymous,jesusnotjewish.png,FcmTqEKtrS43EPdC5k91wg==,US,,1509284292
147111895,147114458,2017-10-29 13:39:52,"what do atheists, muslims and jews all have in common?
they all deny the messiah",,Anonymous,,,,,1509284392
147111895,147114473,2017-10-29 13:39:59,">>147114011
Germans hold marriage sacred, abortion is criminal.
He also records (Ch. 19, “Sanctity of marriage”) that adultery is detested and very rare, and that an adulterous woman is shaved of her hair and exiled by the community regardless of her beauty. To limit childbearing or to kill children (abortion) is considered criminal. “In Germany good morals (customs) are worth more than good laws.”
Germans Practiced monogamy.
Tacitus says (Ch. 18) that the Germans are content with one wife, except for a few political marriages, and specifically and explicitly compares this practice favorably to other barbarian cultures, perhaps since monogamy was a shared value between Roman and Germanic cultures.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Germania_(Tacitus)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1463698747/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_awdo_x_tz7fzb44Q9NTJ
Christianity on the other hand, has nothing against Race-Mixing. Bible never talks about race issues and it is only against Christians marrying non christians. Meaning, as long as a negro is a christian there is no bible stopping him from getting married to a white christian woman.
This is why christian White women are more likely to mudshark with Christian Africans than white atheists or pagans.
2/2",,Anonymous,1v5f9p.jpg,JWjmQG4Uv46UJKygQwl4mg==,,,1509284399
147111895,147114593,2017-10-29 13:41:22,>>147111895,,Anonymous,1508975034119.jpg,rxFVei62occwQRqNqqIzkA==,US,,1509284482
147111895,147114766,2017-10-29 13:43:03,,,Anonymous,Stoics.png,rLQIZ3g4GPTaGGiEjrcGSw==,US,,1509284583
147111895,147114843,2017-10-29 13:43:47,">>147112861
Hell isnt real and afterlife is literally impossible.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509284627
147111895,147114870,2017-10-29 13:44:10,">>147114310
Epic argument",,Anonymous,1502237728287.png,fyMb++FIfPR9F82FYCYz+w==,,,1509284650
147111895,147114897,2017-10-29 13:44:28,">>147111895
Fedora tipping little white boi bitch",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509284668
147111895,147114921,2017-10-29 13:44:41,">>147114593
Good picture",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509284681
147111895,147114935,2017-10-29 13:44:52,">>147114593
I agree, desu
Deus vult, kill the gays",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1509284692
147111895,147114961,2017-10-29 13:45:09,">>147112861
This. OP is your typical numale cuck",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509284709
147111895,147115051,2017-10-29 13:46:09,">>147114458
What do Christianity, Islam and Judaism have in common? All of them are Abrahamic religion and don't belong in Europe.
One is for cucks, one is for terrorists and one is for (((people))) who want to rule the world.",,Anonymous,1481499656699.jpg,duaYxIUGIG5aLcnfgpWQRA==,,,1509284769
147111895,147115157,2017-10-29 13:47:19,">>147114897
>muh fedora",,Anonymous,1496011598693.png,EvVPdXtsEAUpOdFNrtKmpw==,,,1509284839
147111895,147115187,2017-10-29 13:47:35,">>147111895
>that cannot be degenerate
LOL stopped reading there, what a jackass you are. It takes more belief to be an atheist than to believe in God. Wrap your brilliant mind around that one faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509284855
147111895,147115246,2017-10-29 13:48:13,">people are attempting Atheist Generals again
Cute.",,WOLFSHIEM,1484678247079.jpg,H5maYg5RZF2KJcagCiY/rw==,,,1509284893
147111895,147115261,2017-10-29 13:48:23,>>147114593,,Anonymous,balk-1_1505148867698.png,rgPfaiBoO8VqRYQ596llvQ==,,,1509284903
147111895,147115446,2017-10-29 13:50:36,">>147115157
Stay cucked and enjoy hell",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509285036
147111895,147115629,2017-10-29 13:52:34,"I'm atheist. Atheism is a form of religion for my opinion. We believe in ""the nothing"" before and after the death. We think that atheism is the best way of life like all the religion of the world. Yes atheism is a religion.",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1509285154
147111895,147115859,2017-10-29 13:54:54,"A religion typically follows a prophet and scriptures. Therefore, those who follow religion will defend their prophet and scriptures while attacking the prophet and scriptures of other people. Atheism confuses them and causes them to make up fake people and fake scriptures to attack.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509285294
147111895,147115950,2017-10-29 13:55:51,">>147115629
no it aint, its literally the opposite.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509285351
147111895,147116357,2017-10-29 14:00:04,">>147111895
>The first atheist was Greek
>atheism confirmed another greek invention
such is the superior life",,Anonymous,decline of religion.png,ZvdHLV3QwwX0AaOHJtju0Q==,GR,,1509285604
147111895,147116417,2017-10-29 14:00:41,Minor but IMPOTANT edit,,Anonymous,Stoics.png,+K2j8Q4grU2C7/q918yE4w==,US,,1509285641
147111895,147116440,2017-10-29 14:00:55,"So, stop trying to establish a Government Religion. Thx.",,Anonymous,PSX_20171029_125846.jpg,1oYeQY9CH+kfxvZvf6i/IQ==,US,,1509285655
147111895,147116764,2017-10-29 14:04:09,">>147114011
>>147114473
*chirp chirp*
You should find an athiest close to death or an elderly athiest person whos friends are dropping like flies and see if they are singing the same tune. They won't be and for good reason. Maybe, juuuust maybe, there is something more to religon, more than looking up in the air searching for 'muh skydaddy'. We will all go through death amd when it comes closer to your turn and people around your age begin simply not existing anymore, you will look back at yourself during this time realize what a fool you were. Until then, you will simply go along with the popular opinion. Christianity is the new counter culture and it will be its savior.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509285849
147111895,147117067,2017-10-29 14:07:10,">>147116357
I hate graphs like this. This is only a 10% drop over the course of what is essentially a generation. You saw numbers like this just before WW2 as well. All you need is some massive cultural disruption and those numbers will be back up.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509286030
147111895,147117406,2017-10-29 14:10:51,"Ex-atheist here.
Convince me, that there is no God and only Satan is real.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509286251
147111895,147117482,2017-10-29 14:11:40,">>147116764
But there are atheists who died on their deathbeds like this.Here is a memeexample: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/04/deathbed-conversion-christopher-hitchens-defiant-to-last as most people dont talk about it or get talked about in this state, but some of us are simply unable to believe in popular religion nomatter the situation.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509286300
147111895,147117610,2017-10-29 14:12:52,Okay one more edit,,Anonymous,Stoics.png,dnr0TOe0kHR81ojVnPQgnA==,US,,1509286372
147111895,147118518,2017-10-29 14:22:06,">>147115629
>We think that atheism is the best way of life
Stop assigning your beliefs onto all atheists.
Atheism is the lack of belief in God, nothing more.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509286926
147111895,147118940,2017-10-29 14:26:19,">>147116764
When you're about to die, you are at the least rational state of your life.
That's the last person I would take advice from in regards to my beliefs on the existence of God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509287179
147111895,147119394,2017-10-29 14:31:07,">>147111895
>Rejction of god
No. Atheists don't { believe } in any gods
If theists can't prove their gods exist, then there's nothing for atheists to ""reject"".
>The first atheist was an ancient Greek man
All men were non-believers of gods until somebody invented gods and invented religions",,Anonymous,,,,,1509287467
147111895,147119610,2017-10-29 14:33:38,">>147117067
nigger the graph is real
in greece we are orthodox which is basically islam lite
and way more (young) people are less religious/attached to religion nowadays",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1509287618
147111895,147119673,2017-10-29 14:34:10,">>147115446
>christ cucks calling rightwing atheists cucks
Hahaha!! Bend your knees to dead kike on a stick christfaggot.",,Anonymous,I said pagans are fags - believe me and worship my jew God with based Tyrone.png,z9mENSF1NgIeCHhFhZppMQ==,,,1509287650
147111895,147119700,2017-10-29 14:34:33,">>147119394
>All men were non-believers of gods until somebody invented gods and invented religions
or untill they were old enough to understand the concept of a god.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1509287673
147111895,147119919,2017-10-29 14:36:39,">>147115629
>I'm atheist. Atheism is a form of religion for my opinion.
If you hold that belief, then you can't be an atheist. We just revoked your atheist card. Sorry.

>We believe in ""the nothing"" before and after the death.
That has nothing to do with non-belief in made-up deities.
>Yes atheism is a religion.
You a larping theist who believes others are so dimwitted they will fall for your lies.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509287799
147111895,147119993,2017-10-29 14:37:30,>>147119673,,Anonymous,1496780354584.jpg,qbUjgU2H2Kvu//qrtctn8A==,US,,1509287850
147111895,147120123,2017-10-29 14:38:51,">>147116764
>You should find an athiest close to death
Theism can't hope to fool the mentally healthy, so they prey on the weak and desperate.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509287931
147111895,147120142,2017-10-29 14:39:05,">>147111895
Christianity is anti-Jew. Just because some cryptokike looked at some ambiguous words and then said ""yes fellow white people we must love our greatest ally, the Jew, as we would any other fellow white man"" doesn't make it true.
According to Jews, Jesus, was executed entirely by the Romans (Jews weren't involved) because Jesus was saying ""rebellious things"". According to Christians (otherwise known as the truth) Jews paid the crowd to demand the release of Barabbas. Pilate knew Jesus was an innocent man and told them so, he told the kikes that Jesus' blood was on them. Their response was Matthew 27:25.
Why don't you remove your meme (((flag))) and show everyone who (((you))) really are?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1509287945
147111895,147120251,2017-10-29 14:40:11,">>147119700
>or untill they were old enough to understand the concept of a god.
We are born without the innate ability to understand our creator? It has to be taught to us? That sounds awfully artificial.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509288011
147111895,147120613,2017-10-29 14:43:59,The Dawkins style atheism was definitely faggotry,,Anonymous,,,US,,1509288239
147111895,147120695,2017-10-29 14:44:48,">>147120251
and the idea of we being born with no innate ability to talk or walk or understand speech but we have the ability to understand a supernatural being sounds straigh up idiotic, raise a child and give him a good education without ever telling him or letting him hear about religion or gods and see if he comes to the conclusion that we need to stone unruly children and not work on sundays, or pray several times a day on a mat to a certain direction.
i know thats strecthing it, but him suddenly claiming there is a supernatural being that made everything sounds just as stupid if you really look at it without any bias.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1509288288
147111895,147121160,2017-10-29 14:49:22,"The fedora memes really does make you guys mad.
I have posted to so many of these threads. Seen many great responses to the atheists. Most of you atheist types are in league with the philosophies that are ravaging our culture. Still I know some are not and are against the menace.
Proverbs 26 verses 4 and 5 to the twats who are so blind that they can only attack Jesus Christ.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509288562
147111895,147121860,2017-10-29 14:55:39,>>147119993,,Anonymous,76f.png,d92XkDnw48RW3/MX00Y/8Q==,US,,1509288939
147111895,147122419,2017-10-29 15:00:44,>>147121860,,Anonymous,1489270351750.jpg,roQ6sWZObhPTLFc/oTrOJA==,US,,1509289244
147111895,147122759,2017-10-29 15:04:10,">>147122419
>>147121160
im quite ok with the meme itself, the only thing that troubles me is that some people actually use it as an argument, it saddens me to see people who are this stupid.
well, its not like you could have a constructive conversation with them anyway, but still.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1509289450
147111895,147122841,2017-10-29 15:04:59,>>147122759,,Anonymous,1498589723611.jpg,CZ/hCSELcL2Xv3o24CUkFg==,US,,1509289499
147111895,147122919,2017-10-29 15:05:39,">>147122759
>>147122841
kek",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509289539
147111895,147123004,2017-10-29 15:06:35,">>147122419
Checkmark, atheists!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509289595
147111895,147123189,2017-10-29 15:08:27,>>147122759,,Anonymous,article-2549512-1B19C5A600000578-308_634x568[1].jpg,LAcGVVH81uNpdTz4KLxEvA==,PT,,1509289707
147111895,147123207,2017-10-29 15:08:35,">>147120695
Well if you think it's impossible to come up with on your own than you are just reinforcing the truth that God himself has spoken with humanity in many ways to confirm his existence. It's there, you just have to open up to the thought of shifting your paradigm.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509289715
147111895,147123285,2017-10-29 15:09:21,,,Anonymous,1499298566618.gif,pRovcc+QNgUPrVoj+zvLSA==,,,1509289761
147111895,147123373,2017-10-29 15:10:15,,,Anonymous,1461120913888.jpg,WqP6R+JGPrIG6nFVYBxXbQ==,,,1509289815
147111895,147123450,2017-10-29 15:11:01,,,Anonymous,1493490453103.jpg,vTYOKsnf6QR4oMF5fl81fw==,,,1509289861
147111895,147123606,2017-10-29 15:12:21,">>147123207
>Well if you think it's impossible
i dont, i just think its unlikely enough to be safe to say it will never see it happen.
>you just have to open up to the thought of shifting your paradigm.
funny how thats what i would say to you, my mind is already as open as i can get it, but thats the problem, i see the options and realise i dont know, nobody does and im not justified in believing stuff without evidence.
i would say its about intellectual honesty.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1509289941
147111895,147123939,2017-10-29 15:15:42,">>147123606
Dont worry youngin, everyone has an atheist phase in high school, when you experience real life and you realize how important spiritual balance is you will begin to seek God.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509290142
147111895,147124394,2017-10-29 15:19:57,">>147112763
This is your new home.",,Anonymous,bog.jpg,B6SCLe5Oz7GRpL3v0nOovA==,,,1509290397
147111895,147124955,2017-10-29 15:25:17,ITT: people who need lots of prayers,,Anonymous,,,IT,,1509290717
147111895,147125012,2017-10-29 15:25:43,">>147123939
well i didnt, fortunately religion isnt really something you can rebel against here, so i just naturally came to the conclusion its BS, im 27 now and have been an atheist since i was like 11 when i first heard about the word at about 17.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1509290743
147111895,147126200,2017-10-29 15:37:19,">>147111895
Reminder that whether or not a god exists doesn't matter because either way atheism is a disease that contributes to the decay of every society it infects. 
>Within the unaffiliated, about half of those who call themselves atheist or agnostic identify as liberal (51%), compared with 13% who identify as conservative
>voters who are affiliated with a particular religion are more than 20 points more likely to be conservative (44% vs. 20% among the unaffiliated) and about half as likely to identify as liberal (17% vs. 38% among the unaffiliated). In fact, each affiliated religious group is significantly more conservative than they are liberal – a direct contrast with the unaffiliated.
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-social-and-political-views/
Not even atheist should support atheism",,Anonymous,FT_16.02.22_religionPoliticalAffiliation_640px1.png,BaIciF+zUn6w3Cyl5Sey6g==,US,,1509291439
147111895,147126298,2017-10-29 15:38:07,">>147126200
Stop conflating the rightwing with religion and maybe that's going to change.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509291487
147111895,147127995,2017-10-29 15:53:10,">>147126200
>atheism is a disease that contributes to the decay of every society it infects.
North Korea's society ist great.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509292390
147111895,147128137,2017-10-29 15:54:24,,,Anonymous,1504660770034.png,QUxGUMG+gEw/T5hAeDRi6A==,,,1509292464
147111895,147128224,2017-10-29 15:55:10,,,Anonymous,1503411236058.jpg,x6/BCZ3+U45eFkUwoWYCMw==,,,1509292510
147111895,147128256,2017-10-29 15:55:30,,,Anonymous,1490144697124.jpg,s6I5LqmSDCRL+Tqs1e2ffg==,,,1509292530
147111895,147128285,2017-10-29 15:55:49,,,Anonymous,1504314324661.jpg,O1LX7RBw9sahP4ZPbaPWlg==,,,1509292549
147111895,147128311,2017-10-29 15:56:05,">>147111895
It is inherently degenerate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509292565
147111895,147128364,2017-10-29 15:56:39,,,Anonymous,dawkins_jews.png,ZgafW3viEPz+YGrkajsffw==,US,,1509292599
147111895,147128383,2017-10-29 15:56:50,>>147128364,,Anonymous,dawkins_twitter.jpg,u6tylQlJXQGwwxM57zXgZA==,US,,1509292610
147111895,147128576,2017-10-29 15:58:40,">>147128383
>>147128364
I'm going to laugh my ass of when this old fart gets his faggot head chopped of by muslims.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509292720
147111895,147128696,2017-10-29 15:59:50,,,Anonymous,1344029587321.jpg,Cp6xyjTXSOsAYLZO6rk0ww==,,,1509292790
147111895,147128726,2017-10-29 16:00:10,,,Anonymous,1490142549767.jpg,gbLQR/M/TdWWLU+dYjIA+Q==,,,1509292810
147111895,147128771,2017-10-29 16:00:31,,,Anonymous,1491602159710.png,Q4MPAkjH+r1dxaqyT42v4g==,,,1509292831
147111895,147128794,2017-10-29 16:00:42,">>147112591
Fpbp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509292842
147111895,147128914,2017-10-29 16:01:53,">>147126298
but it kind of is realated, most people are not really catholic, or protestant they are just Theists, God is just a way to hold them accountable to a socially accepted set of moral beliefs. Religion gives people a sense of meaning, a sense of Justice in life, you could call it blissful ignorance, but when i see happy mormons, and then look at some low life depressed cunts going on about ""how shitty life is, but there is no god and everything is meaningless etc."" then i think Religion might still be worth wile for some people",,Anonymous,wpid-http3a2f2f25-media_-tumblr-com2f3841780f69f605b97d9e32623f660b572ftumblr_mi2fohnpg71qlm842o1_500.jpg,56FXt3/8/Wf1XYT3ZT+E0Q==,DE,,1509292913
147111895,147128918,2017-10-29 16:01:54,">>147128726
>he has to resort to fake pictures in order to make an argument
Is there anything more pathetic than this?",,Anonymous,whiteevangelicalsblacktriplets.jpg,vTh/8K1NuwrtlnrB+0zExg==,US,,1509292914
147111895,147129082,2017-10-29 16:03:28,>>147111895,,Anonymous,1477186655729.jpg,h1Yk5je1uUSri6jPoT/koQ==,US,,1509293008
147111895,147129099,2017-10-29 16:03:36,,,Anonymous,1488223422556.png,CZeJ6Dns1Hdbc+F3CtMj9A==,,,1509293016
147111895,147129180,2017-10-29 16:04:18,,,Anonymous,contend.jpg,QC7NmvECNZ2g1c5Wfckcpg==,US,,1509293058
147111895,147129193,2017-10-29 16:04:26,>>147129180,,Anonymous,president.jpg,gT01wANPKDKx4fpG0+h5qQ==,US,,1509293066
147111895,147129199,2017-10-29 16:04:29,">>147111895
How do we raise atheist fertility rates?",,Anonymous,tfr-us-by-lib-cons-30-43.png,DDNTifMgwXynTj57rmtM6g==,US,,1509293069
147111895,147129207,2017-10-29 16:04:36,>>147129193,,Anonymous,luck.png,Gqrt12j0osMwud4ZfcbB1Q==,US,,1509293076
147111895,147129222,2017-10-29 16:04:44,>>147129207,,Anonymous,fair.jpg,KUFW1x7q9TCsFWTercR6Hg==,US,,1509293084
147111895,147129237,2017-10-29 16:04:53,>>147129222,,Anonymous,trend.png,xWOapao7lxGujro872PeoQ==,US,,1509293093
147111895,147129257,2017-10-29 16:05:01,>>147129237,,Anonymous,tabularasa.jpg,QuwL1uQ/eNytba3kGPcCDw==,US,,1509293101
147111895,147129270,2017-10-29 16:05:09,>>147129257,,Anonymous,freewill.jpg,Hvf2wzS23khEg8MikZEeqg==,US,,1509293109
147111895,147129287,2017-10-29 16:05:17,>>147129270,,Anonymous,russell.jpg,5yVx4y1vpcMwX+Bk/rnWYw==,US,,1509293117
147111895,147129306,2017-10-29 16:05:26,>>147129287,,Anonymous,godfags.jpg,1FFMTu11wp8l4jRZmGXQBw==,US,,1509293126
147111895,147129322,2017-10-29 16:05:35,>>147129306,,Anonymous,logic.jpg,RLSg+Ol0lhpY3U3TFO55+w==,US,,1509293135
147111895,147129340,2017-10-29 16:05:44,>>147129322,,Anonymous,video.jpg,0d4cSQprwXjkXRn3k4yT9w==,US,,1509293144
147111895,147129354,2017-10-29 16:05:52,>>147129340,,Anonymous,prayer.jpg,duM9I5zcMrpt0oYNPQvY3Q==,US,,1509293152
147111895,147129368,2017-10-29 16:06:00,>>147129354,,Anonymous,santa.jpg,sHP5Z/6sz4PC7TDkkJyVvA==,US,,1509293160
147111895,147129397,2017-10-29 16:06:09,>>147129368,,Anonymous,suicide.jpg,CRsaGdkc2lsWQOOR5Ka0sQ==,US,,1509293169
147111895,147129409,2017-10-29 16:06:19,,,Anonymous,1501274316912.jpg,36TfyW24uU2Uj66NBnRoQw==,,,1509293179
147111895,147129423,2017-10-29 16:06:28,"Atheists are fat. No life losers, tiny penises. Sad!",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509293188
147111895,147129490,2017-10-29 16:06:55,>>147129397,,Anonymous,FAQ.jpg,MRqmQBPL9OtNorTmqaxojg==,US,,1509293215
147111895,147129525,2017-10-29 16:07:08,">>147129082
>>147111895
Also please answere this: Religion gives people set of moral values, but more importantly it implements an omnipresent guy watching over everything you do, so you have a reason to act moral.
When you are an atheist you can make up your own moral system, but I see no Objective reason to obey that system, I know what i think is right and wrong, but there is no punishment coonnected with me acting against my own beliefs, wich is present in religiouse people.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509293228
147111895,147129536,2017-10-29 16:07:11,>>147129490,,Anonymous,power.jpg,Zo/C+zxYCTWxKTuIZBu8gw==,US,,1509293231
147111895,147129558,2017-10-29 16:07:22,>>147129536,,Anonymous,punishment.jpg,G9cvQsZ1HV1aQ8Q+EArOog==,US,,1509293242
147111895,147129575,2017-10-29 16:07:30,>>147129558,,Anonymous,semitics.jpg,sESPo/4e2mAvgnQU/Folzg==,US,,1509293250
147111895,147129592,2017-10-29 16:07:38,>>147129575,,Anonymous,hitchens.jpg,Bqa7cuTiySWemOkvgqwMjQ==,US,,1509293258
147111895,147129607,2017-10-29 16:07:47,>>147129592,,Anonymous,flowchart.png,qCCX5ayAit+yDtY74qN4BA==,US,,1509293267
147111895,147129629,2017-10-29 16:07:55,>>147129607,,Anonymous,1437247843025.jpg,wnGjlBeC5DcE/U/hLUVWjw==,US,,1509293275
147111895,147129636,2017-10-29 16:07:56,">>147129207
>1 AD
You couldn't even get your dates right.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509293276
147111895,147129640,2017-10-29 16:07:58,Feels good to be a deist when i see these threads,,Anonymous,comfy.jpg,i3waisMKJ6I3X4FLNGXu/g==,FR,,1509293278
147111895,147129664,2017-10-29 16:08:04,">>147128918
>protties",,Anonymous,512px-Emblem_of_the_Papacy_SE.svg.png,LFfPs7DtjaYXCRYiySpIjQ==,US,,1509293284
147111895,147129665,2017-10-29 16:08:05,"Daily reminder /pol/ wasn't a Christian board until it became ""counter-culture"" and started being shilled by kikes 24/7.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293285
147111895,147129672,2017-10-29 16:08:09,">>147129592
pls respong instead of posting memes
>>147129525
>>147128914",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509293289
147111895,147129722,2017-10-29 16:08:40,">>147129640
deism can easily be dismissed by reference to Occam's razor",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509293320
147111895,147129731,2017-10-29 16:08:45,">>147129636
>the birth of christ was not part of any christian movement
lmao, read the bible. Jesus teaches the jews even as a child",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293325
147111895,147129848,2017-10-29 16:09:40,">>147111895
>What is Atheism?
Not caring about gods at all.
No god is that important.",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509293380
147111895,147129856,2017-10-29 16:09:44,Atheists have microscopic penises. It's well known their tiny penises are the reason they hate God. Very little manhood!,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509293384
147111895,147129863,2017-10-29 16:09:49,">>147129672
Hi, I think one of my memes are a good response to your questions >>147129368
we can talk more if you want",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293389
147111895,147129891,2017-10-29 16:10:01,,,Anonymous,1500848996255.jpg,f5utPKgxYwevP/6DSKYvCQ==,,,1509293401
147111895,147129983,2017-10-29 16:10:50,">>147129856
Lol. True dat.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509293450
147111895,147130030,2017-10-29 16:11:17,">>147129891
>can't find a pic of pagans getting cucked like catholics
>paints viking helmets on the pope",,Anonymous,kek.jpg,ogDVKPuKusJBmnaOzGeARg==,US,,1509293477
147111895,147130147,2017-10-29 16:12:09,">>147129731
How could there be an established religion revolved around him at his immediate birth? I'm pretty sure the set in stone religion was created at the time of his resurrection, no?",,Anonymous,,,,,1509293529
147111895,147130186,2017-10-29 16:12:34,">>147129722
How does that dismiss it, anon?",,Anonymous,,,,,1509293554
147111895,147130234,2017-10-29 16:13:05,">>147129863
sure, that quote is exacly what im talking about, religion gives men, in my oppinion, a reason to be good, an omnipresent guy that controlls your actions and thoughts.
I mean just look at the 7 deadly sins, they are all character flaws, that the world could do much better without.
Religion just appears to have been created to keep the masses productive happy and somewhat moral.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509293585
147111895,147130317,2017-10-29 16:13:44,">>147130030
Lol fagans are cucks by their very nature",,Anonymous,1504404651926.png,y3bXKlLFhFmDxF8sVS8oqQ==,,,1509293624
147111895,147130383,2017-10-29 16:14:20,"You guys are gonna shit when you figure out logic and reason don't prove these claims. At the very least, even if it did prove these claims, it doesn't invalidate the existence of God. If something exists, explaining or proving why it shouldn't exist does not destroy it. The universe should not exist by the 2nd law of thermodynamics and any physicist worth his salt will tell you they now don't know why the universe hasn't absorbed itself because logic and reason would tell you this state of existence we're experiencing right now cannot be real.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293660
147111895,147130387,2017-10-29 16:14:22,">>147130147
>I'm pretty sure the set in stone religion was created at the time of his resurrection, no?
No? The church (churches?) have evolved a ton over 2000 years, especially during the first few hundred years. Christ is the start of Christianity though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293662
147111895,147130427,2017-10-29 16:14:40,Atheism in the 20th and 1st century has always lead to socialism and communism tho LOL,,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293680
147111895,147130565,2017-10-29 16:15:46,">>147130186
because it's a completely unnecessary assumption
it's just like Pierre-Simon Laplace said to First Consul Napoleon:
>Je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothese",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509293746
147111895,147130618,2017-10-29 16:16:16,">>147130234
It's just a weak foundation though. Imagine if people were only good because they thought Santa would bring them presents, that's weak as fuck. And it would shatter when it is revealed Santa isn't real. We should seek to build our ethics and stronger philosophies and not fairy stories. Don't we make fun of liberals for using Harry Potter as a moral compass? We should be held to the same standard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509293776
147111895,147130659,2017-10-29 16:16:36,Atheism is gey https://youtu.be/qZEubKpGwbc,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1509293796
147111895,147130684,2017-10-29 16:16:51,">>147129525
>When you are an atheist you can make up your own moral system, but I see no Objective reason to obey that system
Atheism always was about denial of humanity's sins to do whatever you want without consequences.
But then replacing it with its own secular system creating new sins (breathing, eating omnivore, using fire, using transportation etc.) making you pay for indulgence to a small group of (((people))).
That's what makes climate change is a full-blown atheistic religion.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509293811
147111895,147131071,2017-10-29 16:20:21,">>147129722
Atheism can easily be dismissed by reference of Occam's razor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509294021
147111895,147131106,2017-10-29 16:20:41,">>147130618
but thats the point, what reason other then eternal hellfire do you have to be good? Sometimes im a nice person because i want to be and it makes me happy to see others happy, other times it makes me happy to see other people miserable, so i make them miserable. 
I just see no reason for myself to act against my self interest and be nice to some homeless guy.
>>147130684
it also creates moral problems, because you have to be moraly consisten, and then you find yourself in wierd places where raping cows and castrating pigs is fine, but if someone kicks a dog he needs to die.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509294041
147111895,147131119,2017-10-29 16:20:51,">>147129082
the left cant meme",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1509294051
147111895,147131172,2017-10-29 16:21:16,">>147131071
How so?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509294076
147111895,147131279,2017-10-29 16:22:05,">>147120613
Ex catholic here. Dawkins converted me to Reason",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509294125
147111895,147131280,2017-10-29 16:22:06,">>147131106
>what reason other then eternal hellfire do you have to be good
God want's us to be. It's all reason you need. If you don't do it for God you aren't good.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509294126
147111895,147131377,2017-10-29 16:22:50,">>147131106
>I just see no reason for myself to act against my self interest and be nice to some homeless guy.
Who is asking you to be nice to a homeless guy? Even Jesus teaches about how pointless it is to give to the poor since there will always be poor.
I'm saying build your own fucking morals on philosophies that make sense. If you have 5 minutes (you do) read over this to give you an idea of what I mean https://pastebin.com/4u6ibgnP",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509294170
147111895,147131435,2017-10-29 16:23:17,">>147121160
>that are ravaging our culture
There is no ""our"" religion. Only YOUR idiocy",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509294197
147111895,147131438,2017-10-29 16:23:19,">>147114593
right on",,Anonymous,1446854746915.jpg,yeDzZctvtXLmkvnK1qvGZg==,FR,,1509294199
147111895,147131585,2017-10-29 16:24:48,>>147111895,,Anonymous,Christianity.jpg,jib68NVmyc4XWEzzLEY+KA==,US,,1509294288
147111895,147131620,2017-10-29 16:25:08,>>147131585,,Anonymous,Christianity 2.jpg,wI3b/6nYeEZdxpkIvDuKWQ==,US,,1509294308
147111895,147131626,2017-10-29 16:25:11,">>147131172
>Occam's razor
how do i find more like this stuff, i really enjoy thought expreiments, and these mental reasoning shit, does it have a name
>>147131280
yeah m8 thats the point im making, that I dont really have a reason because i dont believe in god.
>>147131377
homeless guy is just an example, why not make it more extreme: if i want to set fire to a homeless guy, and will be guaranteet that i will never get caught, why would i not do it?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509294311
147111895,147131648,2017-10-29 16:25:23,">>147126200
>http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-social-and-political-views/
pewforum = christian fucktards vomiting propaganda",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509294323
147111895,147131660,2017-10-29 16:25:28,>>147131620,,Anonymous,Christianity 3.png,8vm7Ot8mQug7VQ5HapqJMw==,US,,1509294328
147111895,147131699,2017-10-29 16:25:49,>>147131660,,Anonymous,Turn the other cheek.png,8WVSykFOk0A0piPKwAmiwQ==,US,,1509294349
147111895,147131737,2017-10-29 16:26:13,">>147128285
looks great",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509294373
147111895,147131749,2017-10-29 16:26:18,">fedora
A more effective ward of an athiest-kin is the word BANNANA. The bane of the athiest, it puts moral degeneracy on a platter as something quantitative.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509294378
147111895,147131875,2017-10-29 16:27:33,>>147114593,,Anonymous,1509298882181.jpg,wSeRguH/6QiS4rmfnDIAig==,,,1509294453
147111895,147131894,2017-10-29 16:27:44,">>147131626
>if i want to set fire to a homeless guy, and will be guaranteet that i will never get caught, why would i not do it?
Why would YOU not do it? That is up to YOU. That's like asking ""Why should I find a Jackson Pollock beautiful?"". I don't know man, it depends on what you find beautiful. Read the link I gave you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509294464
147111895,147131917,2017-10-29 16:27:53,">>147131626
The sinners gamble.
If the non believer is right, nothing awaits after death, If wrong then hell awaits.
If the believer is right, Paradise awaits, if wrong, nothing awaits.
Literally a safer bet to believe.
Plus a religion is the foundation for morality, it is no coincidence the more atheist a region is the more degenerate it is.",,Anonymous,Beaver on Morality.png,MQeQujkuiXLND9sOa95hKw==,US,,1509294473
147111895,147132107,2017-10-29 16:29:23,">>147131917
Pascal's wager has been debunked already, anon.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509294563
147111895,147132113,2017-10-29 16:29:28,">>147129199
We deconvert theists.",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509294568
147111895,147132143,2017-10-29 16:29:46,">>147111895
Atheism is not rejection of God, quite to the contrary: most atheists I have met are more stoked on God than many fairweather Christians. Take this thread for example, hardly out of place on /pol/- but you never see anti-unicorn threads or anti-new-age hippy shit threads. 
Why? Because people actually reject those and don't care to discuss them. But you LOVE discussing God; a God you never rejected, but simply started hating. Your passion for God is unchanged, simply redirected. And how did that happen? Who taught you to hate God?
That is the important question.",,Anonymous,Broken Peace.png,92t5mptd/pZqMvt7N3skVw==,US,,1509294586
147111895,147132296,2017-10-29 16:31:07,">>147131749
This. It also shows them how big of a cultists they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXLqDGL1FSg
>>147132107
No it wasn't.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509294667
147111895,147132307,2017-10-29 16:31:13,">>147131917
The safest bet is to be an atheist, pic related.",,Anonymous,wager.jpg,EhPVOTGp2/ajMpcyzts1Og==,US,,1509294673
147111895,147132398,2017-10-29 16:32:03,">>147131894
yeah i will read that, thanks
But fuck men thats the whole point, i kind of want to be a good person, but then othertimes i only feel moral apathy, but its kind of fucked up if atheism lead people down this path, right?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509294723
147111895,147132713,2017-10-29 16:35:18,">>147132307
I was thinking about this last night, how if I were the devil/whatever convincing people of this would be my goal. (Of course last night was more along the lines of simulation/reincarnation theory than heaven)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509294918
147111895,147132717,2017-10-29 16:35:19,">>147131917
amen brother you cured me
>>147132307
also pls respond to>>147128914",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509294919
147111895,147133012,2017-10-29 16:38:07,"I just don't believe in god. Sometimes I'll joke about silly holes in religion with my atheist friends but with religious ones I never mock their faith. I don't care. 
Like some of that stuff is pretty neat. Stories spawned from religious belief are some of the greatest in history. I just don't believe they're true. 
Why did the fedoras need to ruin everything? I don't understand why an absence of something associates me with any group at all.",,Anonymous,1503980989916.png,iUDSMDZa9X9SUx4/ZtFKGg==,CA,,1509295087
147111895,147133184,2017-10-29 16:39:44,">>147133012
If you hate God si much then maybe fuck off from a Christian country.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509295184
147111895,147133203,2017-10-29 16:39:50,">>147132296
>No it wasn't.
There's not just 2 options, anon.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509295190
147111895,147133220,2017-10-29 16:40:01,">>147114011
>>147114473
>Appropriating German virtually to all P*Gans
Gtfo Out of there spastic
Gayreek pagans fucked kids
Slav pagans were ultrapromicipus and polygamous
Latino pagans had human services
African pagans are eating people to this day
When we took Christianity nothing changed, we continued to be racially homogenous and anti-degeneracy
Stop using us for your filthy P*gan propganda
GOTT MIT UNS",,Anonymous,Crusaders3.jpg,YdY+OaVToU4NvFXWiQCnWQ==,DE,,1509295201
147111895,147133356,2017-10-29 16:41:22,">>147133184
That's just silly anon.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509295282
147111895,147133506,2017-10-29 16:42:40,">>147133356
There is nothing silly about you being a degenerate faggot. Fuck off.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509295360
147111895,147133549,2017-10-29 16:43:07,">>147132717
>also pls respond to>>147128914
I did? How is that any different than your other post about how one needs religion to have morals and meaning?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509295387
147111895,147133809,2017-10-29 16:45:58,">>147133549
ok 
but how can you still advocate atheism then?
Like i said, todays theistic religions could be viewd as blissful ignorance, and then you tell me to torch some homeless guy?
But in all seriouseness, dont you see a problem there?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509295558
147111895,147133877,2017-10-29 16:46:33,,,Anonymous,1489154895164.png,9tRxGxT2pw+g4a+OxhgAxw==,,,1509295593
147111895,147134012,2017-10-29 16:47:42,">>147133809
>but how can you still advocate atheism then?
because there is no evidence of gods?
>Like i said, todays theistic religions could be viewd as blissful ignorance
i'm sure most religious people dont see it that way
> and then you tell me to torch some homeless guy?
What? I gave you a link to read, wtf are you on about?
>But in all seriouseness, dont you see a problem there?
I honestly don't know what you're talking about anymore",,Anonymous,life.jpg,C9USQPLS/Z9CCPI5cK/5Lw==,US,,1509295662
147111895,147134028,2017-10-29 16:47:50,">>147133184
>If you hate God si much then maybe fuck off from a Christian country.
 Why you assume that I hate Shiva.",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509295670
147111895,147134110,2017-10-29 16:48:40,Catholicism is the most aesthetic sect of Christianity,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1509295720
147111895,147134253,2017-10-29 16:49:57,">>147129270
>assuming evil exists solely because of free will
Do you think that God doesn't have free will or that God is evil? No, that would be absurd. It is the combination of human limitation and flaw combined with our capacity to act freely in the world that produces sin. This is very clear in the case of the resurrected Christ who was free of sin/mortality/limitation which are all really one thing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509295797
147111895,147134278,2017-10-29 16:50:14,">>147134110
>Catholicism is the most aesthetic sect of Christianity
Catholic churchs are creepier. Shintoism is more greener.",,Kosher Waters,,,,,1509295814
147111895,147134422,2017-10-29 16:51:37,">>147134253
>evil the combination of human limitation and flaw
>god literally designed us to be evil
really makes me think",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509295897
147111895,147134429,2017-10-29 16:51:39,">>147134012
yeah, i dont have much time now so i skimmed over it, but just tell me 
IS THERE A RATIONAL REASON TO ACT UP TO ANY MORAL PRINCIPLES, THAT GO AGAINST MY SELF INTEREST.
>because there is no evidence of gods?
But if that knowledge fucks the people up moraly like i described is a state of faith not preferable to one without it
>i'm sure most religious people dont see it that way
doesn't really matter",,Anonymous,1-6.png,p2DIR6M2496GbxLatfd5aA==,DE,,1509295899
147111895,147134558,2017-10-29 16:52:48,">>147132307
You can actually just believe in most religions simultaniously
>b-but
You still get into heaven, just nude for your sins
>athiests btfo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509295968
147111895,147134576,2017-10-29 16:52:56,">>147134110
Catholics at best worship their priests, at worst they worship the devil",,Anonymous,Catholics1.png,ytIjRw4R85/uZgr8N2IIXw==,US,,1509295976
147111895,147134655,2017-10-29 16:53:35,"Atheist here. 
I honestly think after we get rid of the Muslims, kikes and immigrants we should utterly destroy the Christcuck sub-human filth who are holding back humanity. Not only are they against science but having Christcucks 'cuck' religion in Europe means that the door for the hordes to come in will be open again. 
Fuck Christianity.. Paganism and Atheism are the only positions to hold which are of European origin. 
Death to Christcucks. They are traitors to Europe and they must hang first.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509296015
147111895,147134670,2017-10-29 16:53:49,">>147134429
>IS THERE A RATIONAL REASON TO ACT UP TO ANY MORAL PRINCIPLES, THAT GO AGAINST MY SELF INTEREST.
stop yelling, honestly that question is answered by the article...
>yeah, i dont have much time now so i skimmed over it
Come on anon, you've been on /pol/ for at least an hour",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509296029
147111895,147134853,2017-10-29 16:55:39,">>147134655
>after we get rid of the Muslims, kikes and immigrants
>They are traitors to Europe and they must hang first.
Which one is it? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I'd like some consistency.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509296139
147111895,147134931,2017-10-29 16:56:21,">>147134655
Found the Jew.
Atheism is a cancer, and you hate the cure.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509296181
147111895,147135104,2017-10-29 16:58:01,">>147134853
It's both honestly. If the Pagans and Atheists in our movement out umber the Christcuck traitors by a lot then maybe we can punish them right then and there but I feel that right now given the fact that the traitors out umber us, we must wait and take on the bigger enemies first. But absolutely the Christcucks will pay. These people are subversives.. just look at the lies they're making up in this thread about atheists. 
I honestly hate Christcucks so damn much.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509296281
147111895,147135202,2017-10-29 16:58:49,">>147134670
ok m8 will read up on it, catch you in the next thread",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1509296329
147111895,147135332,2017-10-29 17:00:14,">>147134931
Atheism wasn't cancer in Pagan Greece.. the Greeks mind you built the foundations for Western civ. Not your filthy Jewish religion. 
The only Jew is the one who follows a fucking Abrahaimic religion and who believes in a Jewish Messiah, you subversive fucking subhuman dog. 
Christcucks are just crypto-Jews and are a cancer.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509296414
147111895,147135448,2017-10-29 17:01:05,">>147111895
The bases of the white race identity are formed from Roman culture and Christian religion. That is white identity. These are the roots of our civilization. 
All of the European people's, that were not Roman or Greek were sitting at the level of development that is comparable to todays niggers until the Fall of Rome (some effectively stayed niggers well beyond that, like, unfortunately, Poland or Russia).
The reason for this change was Germanic conquest of Rome and spread of Christianity. The Germanic barbarians due to the influence of Christianity adapted some Roman values. Even those who weren't convinced to this religion, and customs converted themselves out of pragmatism (it made Romans they just conquered easier to rule)
This finally started they development as a culture and after Germans civilized themselves, they were commanded by their new religion to spread Christianity. So Christianity civilized Germanic tribes, who later civilized (or eradicated) every other European tribe.
Atheism leads to rejection of this roots, leads to the rejection of concept of objective morality and is introduction to nihilism. 
When you think about great achievements of the white race, answer this. When have they taken place? In the age of paganism or in the age of Christianity?
And when you think about the great problems and degeneracies that plague western societies. When have they started? In times that Europe was Christian, or rather after Europe turned away from it's identity?
Nota bene there is no degenerate atheism. That's pleonasm.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1509296465
147111895,147135495,2017-10-29 17:01:31,">>147134655
>>>/wsg/1947182",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1509296491
147111895,147135716,2017-10-29 17:03:33,">>147134422
It should make you think. What if limitation was a prerequisite for physical existence. It is better to exist with limitation than to exist at all. Would you rather there be nothing?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509296613
147111895,147135847,2017-10-29 17:04:39,">>147111895
Protestant Christian here. Really don't give a rats, just quit trying to exterminate me and virtue signal to me in public and you can have your atheist /gender/ identity or whatever it is you people do.",,Anonymous,KDnD6iX.png,AbJSGj6XL57NV1NtLeTCZw==,CA,,1509296679
147111895,147135989,2017-10-29 17:06:01,">>147135716
nothingness is neutral, which is better than evil.
your god makes no sense, and is incompatible with most mainstream religions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509296761
147111895,147136029,2017-10-29 17:06:24,">>147135448
>All of the European people's, that were not Roman or Greek were sitting at the level of development that is comparable to todays niggers
You shouldn't talk down on your brothers in Christ like that, you're going to have to spend eternity with them.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509296784
147111895,147136314,2017-10-29 17:09:11,">>147132113
This will never work due to the boiling-off effect, the theory of strong religion, and the fact that religiosity is to a significant degree influenced by genetics. Our only options are to either drastically raise atheist fertility rates, possibly with artificial wombs, or to establish a Soviet-style atheist state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYEyv5a_3LM
https://phys.org/news/2011-01-religiosity-gene-dominate-society.html
https://archive.is/75KMm",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509296951
147111895,147136499,2017-10-29 17:10:41,">>147114011
>He sited Tacitus the propagandist",,Anonymous,1507161251648.jpg,JoMnFpZmj4CtjyiKCZdyYA==,,,1509297041
147111895,147136653,2017-10-29 17:12:02,">>147129525
>but I see no Objective reason to obey that system
Other than going to jail if you murder, steal, etc.?
>it implements an omnipresent guy watching over everything you do
One possible way to implement this, if you like the idea of a god imposing totalitarianism, is to create an artificial superintelligence that rules over humanity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509297122
147111895,147136751,2017-10-29 17:12:58,">>147136029
It's true. Men and races are not equal. Some are greater than others. 
Only in the eyes of God they can be equal. 20 is greater number than 1, but when you compare them with infinity, difference between them becomes minuscule.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1509297178
147111895,147136758,2017-10-29 17:13:00,">>147112591
kek",,Anonymous,,,PE,,1509297180
147111895,147136763,2017-10-29 17:13:04,">>147136314
http://lesswrong.com/lw/lr/evaporative_cooling_of_group_beliefs/",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509297184
147111895,147136919,2017-10-29 17:14:17,">>147111895
I love how you can tell this was made by one of those /leftypol/ drawfags. not only is it not at all funny (/leftypol/ trademark), it has like the exact level of quality where it's shitty and doesn't look nice, while it still isn't shitty enough to actually be funny. the other type of /leftypol/ meme is the one where they make it maximum overdrive in its shittiness and it manages to loop back to being unfunny again. I don't know how they do it so consistently but they do.
not to shit on your post, OP. I mostly agree with you.",,Anonymous,1480526621570.jpg,QL2/Qv34h8aTWLn1A10R8A==,US,,1509297257
147111895,147137171,2017-10-29 17:16:19,,,Anonymous,1493205443099.jpg,tOPTp2sxII+9AL/p1jOUcQ==,US,,1509297379
147111895,147137304,2017-10-29 17:17:35,">>147135989
Truth cannot live peacefully with evil.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509297455
147111895,147137497,2017-10-29 17:19:18,"Atheists all have an inferiority complex. 
They also all wish they could stand up to their religious parents.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509297558
147111895,147137642,2017-10-29 17:20:37,">>147136653
>Other than going to jail for...
And what is the objective reason for implementing those laws?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1509297637
147111895,147137790,2017-10-29 17:21:50,">>147137642
a civil society is a strong society. A strong society is rich and powerful, thus its leaders are rich and powerful. Our greedy, selfish, power-hungry leaders implement these laws out of their own self-interest. That's why I voted for Trump",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509297710
147111895,147138012,2017-10-29 17:23:41,">>147137497
>They also all wish they could stand up to their religious parents.
""If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters — yes, even his own life — he cannot be My disciple."" Luke 14:26
Please stop projecting.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509297821
147966804,147966804,2017-11-04 17:56:44,"What is Atheism? Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less. That cannot be degenerate.
Atheism is not inherently anti white and pro jew like christianity.
This proves ""degenerate Atheism"" is just another (((christian))) lie. It only exists in their mind. Some of the most anti immigrant countries are highly Atheist.
http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/losing-their-religion-these-are-the-world-s-most-atheistic-countries
http://archive.fo/zaOGw
Atheism is not only older than christianity but also truly European. The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism
http://archive.fo/J5Dw6
Pro-White Atheists and Pagans strongly united against (((christians))), jews and mudslimes.
https://www.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
http://archive.fo/AoXmv",Atheism General /AG/,Anonymous,chad pagans - chad atheists - degenerate christian rapist papist.jpg,C1rsmRKWShXceQmeLpV0vw==,,,1509818204
147966804,147967006,2017-11-04 17:58:21,">>147966804
LIST OF PRO-WHITE ATHEISTS:
Alex Linder
Ben Klassen
Craig Cobb
Dr. Kevin MacDonald
Dr. William Luther Pierce
Matt Hale
Revilo Oliver
Tom Metzger",,Anonymous,1505077530730.jpg,OOZbz0qQBV5OSN7SBpkADQ==,,,1509818301
147966804,147967924,2017-11-04 18:05:51,">>147966804
For us right wing atheists, Christianity is communism and we are 100% with our Pagan brothers if they want to revive the Pagan spirit of Europe. Just get rid of Abrahamic death cults already please.",,Anonymous,12068994_835356646562610_4177919678399436590_o.jpg,a9UzOtXF/Yb2zjYjyVdK5A==,,,1509818751
147966804,147969216,2017-11-04 18:15:45,">>147967924
I've thought for awhile that Christianity was an early form of leftist egalitarianism. that image confirms it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509819345
147966804,147969405,2017-11-04 18:17:17,">>147966804
BUMP",,Anonymous,032c4c4b746eb6fba6249e014efb844e.jpg,TgZYF3Q8Znxb13/BFPXhmQ==,,,1509819437
147966804,147970288,2017-11-04 18:23:59,">>147969216
Christianity itself is about as far left as you can go. European civilazation has been struggling with degeneracy and weakness ever since.",,Anonymous,1509569223283.png,SsGP/RrfzNel82Tc4E8JKA==,,,1509819839
147984294,147984294,2017-11-04 20:04:25,"What is Atheism? Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less. That cannot be degenerate.
Atheism is not inherently anti white and pro jew like christianity.
This proves ""degenerate Atheism"" is just another (((christian))) lie. It only exists in their mind. Some of the most anti immigrant countries are highly Atheist.
http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/losing-their-religion-these-are-the-world-s-most-atheistic-countries
http://archive.fo/zaOGw
Atheism is not only older than christianity but also truly European. The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism
http://archive.fo/J5Dw6
Pro-White Atheists and Pagans strongly united against (((christians))),jews and mudslimes.
https://www.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
http://archive.fo/AoXmv",Atheism General /AG/,Anonymous,1492344552052.gif,YfzoGy+LqorwD9SGcT4AQQ==,,,1509825865
147984294,147984678,2017-11-04 20:07:31,">>147984294
>What is Atheism?
atheism is a religion based around the idea of rebelling against a cartoon version of The Great Divine.
therefore atheism is a cartoon.
nothing more.
nothing less.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509826051
147984294,147985197,2017-11-04 20:11:13,">>147984294
List Of Pro-White Atheists And Agnostics:
Revilo Oliver
William Pierce
Ben Klassen
Matt Hale is
Craig Cobb
Tom Metzger
Alex Linder
Kevin MacDonald",,Anonymous,1496011598693.png,EvVPdXtsEAUpOdFNrtKmpw==,,,1509826273
147984294,147985228,2017-11-04 20:11:29,">>147984294
My problem with atheism (despite being atheist or at least agnostic myself) is that humanity seems to require something greater than itself to believe in and find meaning from. Without religion we start believing in anything else that offers the same emotional security be that communism or feminism.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509826289
147984294,147985349,2017-11-04 20:12:36,>>147984678,,Anonymous,1509318067767.jpg,h1Yk5je1uUSri6jPoT/koQ==,,,1509826356
147984294,147985547,2017-11-04 20:13:58,Christianity is about as european as kebabs are,,Anonymous,,,US,,1509826438
147984294,147985641,2017-11-04 20:14:46,">>147984294
>What is Atheism?
a rejection of logic and common sense",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1509826486
147984294,147985645,2017-11-04 20:14:47,Also /pol/ has made me despise christians more than i already did,,Anonymous,,,US,,1509826487
147984294,147985706,2017-11-04 20:15:12,">>147985641
Sick argument",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509826512
147984294,147985783,2017-11-04 20:15:48,">>147985228
If you cannot be a rightwing atheist than become Pagan! Don't be a degenerate Christian and never subscribe to any Abrahamic religion.
Christianity is a universal cult of weakness, cowardice, humility, body discovery, racial blindness and pacifism.
""There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.""
This is a real verse from the Bible and it sounds like some new world order shit for even today's standard. (pic related)
Now imagine saying that in front of a Roman emperor back then! No wonder (((christ))) was crucified.
1/3",,Anonymous,618a6332a09e6ff88d59d014f673b38ff04d4dc8_1_600x343.jpg,Nb4erdeUwjZiBQAdPHTPTw==,,,1509826548
147984294,147985978,2017-11-04 20:17:13,">>147985783
Now, compare that to Germanic Paganism which is not only older than Christianity but also truly European.
It not only prohibited homosexuality but most importantly Race Mixing which Jews and Christ cucks can't stop promoting.
Tacitus's germania on Pagan German Morals:
Germans do not racemix.
Tacitus says (Ch. 2, “Origion and descent of the Germanics”) that physically, the Germanic peoples appear to be a distinct (indigenous), racially pure nation, not a blood admixture of their neighbors: ""For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are free from all taint of intermarriages with foreign nations…"" They are divided into three large branches, the Ingaevones, the Herminones and the Istaevones, deriving their ancestry from three sons of Mannus, son of Tuisto, their common forefather.
Germans are racially pure and healthy.
In Chapter 4, “Racial characteristics of the Germanics“, he attributed to Germanic men and women that they all have common physical characteristics, fierce blue eyes (truces et caerulei oculi = ""sky-coloured blue, dark blue), red-blonde hair (rutilae comae = ""red, golden-red, reddish yellow, golden-blonde"") and tall framers (bodies), vigorous at the first onset but not tolerant of exhausting labour, tolerant of hunger and cold but not of heat.[5]
Germans Reserve death penalty for deserters, faggots.
The death penalty is reserved for two kinds of capital offenses: military treason or desertion was punished by hanging, and moral infamy (cowardice and homosexuality[9]) was punished by throwing the condemned into a bog. The difference in punishment is explained by the idea that ""glaring iniquities"" must be exposed in plain sight, while ""effeminacy and pollution"" should best be buried and concealed.[10] Minor legal disputes were settled on a day-to-day basis by elected chiefs assisted by elected officials.[11]
2/3",,Anonymous,Odin The All Father .jpg,iMBGHYlXKxAJi+ckEssr4Q==,,,1509826633
147984294,147986086,2017-11-04 20:17:56,">>147984294
>Atheists are middling IQ retards that only their cleverness allowed them to comprehend ""hidden truth"" about religion.
Meanwhile read Machiavelli, Xenophon, Socrates, Aristotle, Fabius Maximus, and you will see by deed or word this very fact is beyond obvious to any intellectual.
The true geniuses used religion to shape society as they saw fit. Atheists are born losers.
>T. Atheist that despises 90% of my compatriots and would much rather live in a Christian society",,Anonymous,SPQR BTFO all.jpg,jsa7NpkzgADpdZKR8lyLow==,,,1509826676
147984294,147986098,2017-11-04 20:18:02,">>147985783
Germans hold marriage sacred, abortion is criminal.
He also records (Ch. 19, “Sanctity of marriage”) that adultery is detested and very rare, and that an adulterous woman is shaved of her hair and exiled by the community regardless of her beauty. To limit childbearing or to kill children (abortion) is considered criminal. “In Germany good morals (customs) are worth more than good laws.”
Germans Practiced monogamy.
Tacitus says (Ch. 18) that the Germans are content with one wife, except for a few political marriages, and specifically and explicitly compares this practice favorably to other barbarian cultures, perhaps since monogamy was a shared value between Roman and Germanic cultures.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Germania_(Tacitus)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1463698747/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_awdo_x_tz7fzb44Q9NTJ
Christianity on the other hand, had nothing against Race-Mixing. Bible never talks about race issues and it is only against Christians marrying non christians. Meaning, as long as a negro is a christian there is no bible stopping him from getting married to a white christian woman.
This is why christian White women are more likely to mudshark with Christian Africans than white atheists or pagans.
As a white nationalist, this was a deal breaker for me.
Blacks have been raping and murdering Whites in South Africa since the end of Apartheid but somehow these Christian churches just keep on operating as if there's just been a change in political leadership.
Also the overwhelming majority of donations and aid to Israel and to the Israeli lobby are from zionist christians that literally believe jews are the chosen ones..
I started realizing that christianity was not helping whites but it was helping our (((perpetrators))) instead. This was the first time when I became skeptical of Christianity and its teachings.
3/3",,Anonymous,1387898549860.png,71SWBDQADA2IUj94Q1k/Og==,,,1509826682
147984294,147986230,2017-11-04 20:18:53,">>147985978
>Truly European
>Human sacrifice
Anon, I...
http://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/religion-magic-death-and-rituals/human-sacrifices/",,Anonymous,Nordcuck Victim.jpg,uzZuzb1xos5fHWDdnonLyg==,,,1509826733
147984294,147986273,2017-11-04 20:19:18,">>147985349
why cant the left meme?
somewhere along the road of turning morality subjective you just lose something huh",,Anonymous,,,,,1509826758
147984294,147986400,2017-11-04 20:20:13,">>147985645
Good to know that (((they))) failed to infect you with the incurable Abrahamic disease called Christianity.",,Anonymous,032c4c4b746eb6fba6249e014efb844e.jpg,TgZYF3Q8Znxb13/BFPXhmQ==,,,1509826813
147984294,147986581,2017-11-04 20:21:30,">>147985349
No one mentioned the big bang.
>>147985978
>>147986098
Oh, it's the same /leftypol/ copypasta. Reminder that your pagan ancestors were slaughtered because they were weak. Your religion of strength was crushed by the meek. Now crosses cover your entire continent.",,Anonymous,1508635392277.png,PvBQ/0xDA186A+cuTJdQPg==,US,,1509826890
147984294,147986728,2017-11-04 20:22:42,I love this shit. Atheism isn't some club you joined because you wanted a belief system to be in. That's called religion. Atheism is what you are when you don't believe in anything. It's a zero. Moving in any direction makes you a 1 and therefore religious.,,Anonymous,,,SE,,1509826962
147984294,147986906,2017-11-04 20:23:55,">>147985547
This!",,Anonymous,1481499656699.jpg,duaYxIUGIG5aLcnfgpWQRA==,,,1509827035
147984294,147986911,2017-11-04 20:23:58,">>147986400
you missed ""Vote Democrat""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509827038
147984294,147986958,2017-11-04 20:24:18,">>147984294
Atheists won't be welcome in the ethno state.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509827058
147984294,147987108,2017-11-04 20:25:26,">>147984294
SHOW YOUR FLAG, SHART",,Anonymous,1509777496198.gif,L2qW/9YC8YKMgb0LR9F9vg==,,,1509827126
147984294,147987376,2017-11-04 20:27:19,">>147986273
>Christfag calling others leftists
Christianity itself is about as far left as you can go. Western degeneracy started with christianity infecting the roman empire you dum. European civilazation has been struggling with degeneracy and weakness ever since.",,Anonymous,12068994_835356646562610_4177919678399436590_o.jpg,a9UzOtXF/Yb2zjYjyVdK5A==,,,1509827239
147984294,147987444,2017-11-04 20:27:46,">>147985978
>It not only prohibited homosexuality
You had sex-changing gods giving birth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509827266
147984294,147987565,2017-11-04 20:28:40,">>147985783
Christianity is the only white religion, we killed your semen drinking pagan gods. The jews are children of lucifer and you're doing their bidding by attacking Christianity.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509827320
147984294,147987608,2017-11-04 20:28:57,">>147987376
Europe only became the seat of power under Christianity. Before that, it was backwater country with naked men fucking each other. Pagans have no Battle of Tours.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509827337
147984294,147987627,2017-11-04 20:29:04,">>147984294
>nothing more nothing less
Of course retard, your very foundation of belief is that everything came from nothing.",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1509827344
147984294,147987673,2017-11-04 20:29:22,">>147984294
>What is Atheism
Believing that there is no such thing as God and follow your own moral 
>B...but you can't have moral without religion
Molesting children, butchering people seems morally fine 
Atheists exist to teach people what true compassion is. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that God commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his actions are based on his own sense of morality. He does it because he feels like its a righteous thing to do - to help those who are in needs on his own will. 
Instead of saying ""I pray to God that he will help you."" Imagine if there is no God to help you, say ""I'll help you.""
Pardon me if bad English",,Anonymous,1496795819729.png,tvfz4ycg5R6osIcwaek3mQ==,AU,,1509827362
147984294,147988065,2017-11-04 20:32:10,">>147987673
>follow your own moral
Hence, hedonism is born. If you believe in following a subjective, or even worse utilitarian, moral system, why are you on /pol/? What's wrong with Europe being black?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509827530
147984294,147988077,2017-11-04 20:32:16,">>147986581
I think you just literally argued how historically speaking Christianity is wrong because they had to use violence, burn books and force convert people... lmao christcucks are fucking faggots.",,Anonymous,1504387243569.png,Skf6CEuTp/r2xYJLqXtMsg==,,,1509827536
147984294,147988272,2017-11-04 20:33:33,">>147985349
The Creator of the Big Bang theory was a Catholic Priest ""Georges Lemaitre""",,Anonymous,,,,,1509827613
147984294,147988274,2017-11-04 20:33:33,">>147988077
>because they had to use violence, burn books and force convert people... 
You mean like the vikings? Christianity is superior to tree fucking according to tree fucking principles. You were crushed by a stronger people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509827613
147984294,147988821,2017-11-04 20:37:29,">The Germanic Taifali joined a group of Goths, the Greuthungi, under Farnobius in 377AD and fought in Illyricum. Modern writers call the Greuthungi the Ostrogoths. Ammianus tells us Roman troops scattered from these “unknown tribes” suggesting a fierce reputation.
""…the Taifali are so sunk in gross sensuality that among them boys
couple with men in a union of unnatural lust, and waste the flower
of their youth in the polluted embraces of their lovers. But if a
young man catches a boar single-handed or kills a huge bear, he is
exempt thereafter from the contamination of this lewd intercourse.”
(xxxi:9) 
Like the Romans, German pagans fucked little boys in the ass.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509827849
147984294,147989004,2017-11-04 20:38:51,"It takes a level of intelligence to formulate a basis of morality independent of religion. Not everyone is capable of that level of intelligence, therefore religion will continue to be necessary for the greater good.
For example, SJWs take what they perceive as morality to illogical extremes, and accuse everyone else of being immoral. That's the only way they can convince themselves that they are moral.
As long as religions are fair, atheists should not campaign to destroy religions. The people with the intellect to wield the truth will find the truth of their own accord.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509827931
147984294,147989376,2017-11-04 20:41:42,"The Christian Roman emperor, Valentinian II, had to issue an imperial decree to stop pagans from fucking each other in the ass.
""We cannot tolerate the city of Rome, mother of all virtues, being stained any longer by the contamination of male effeminacy, nor can we allow that agrarian strength, which comes down from the founders, to be softly broken by the people, thus heaping shame on the centuries of our founders and the princes, Orientius, dearly and beloved and favoured. Your laudable experience will therefore punish among revenging flames, in the presence of the people, as required by the grossness of the crime, all those who have given themselves up to the infamy of condemning their manly body, transformed into a feminine one, to bear practices reserved for the other sex, which have nothing different from women, carried forth – we are ashamed to say – from male brothels, so that all may know that the house of the manly soul must be sacrosanct to all, and that he who basely abandons his own sex cannot aspire to that of another without undergoing the supreme punishment.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509828102
147984294,147989583,2017-11-04 20:43:04,">>147987444
Jewish lie, this myth came out from a book written by a Jew. Pagans used to throw pedos & homosexuals into a bog, read Tacitus Germania or OP's posts above. Christians just made homos into priests and nuns giving them unlimited access to little children.",,Anonymous,1506444913759.png,YnoANpwoHOciCgQ2jiLyAA==,,,1509828184
147984294,147989736,2017-11-04 20:44:08,">>147985641
Care to back up your claim or are you just going to spew your opinions?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509828248
147984294,147989897,2017-11-04 20:45:09,">>147987565
>White Religion
>Christianity
Pick one.",,Anonymous,1496620528872.jpg,WrMqZIr2+fUphU/cqft9Dw==,,,1509828309
147984294,147990079,2017-11-04 20:46:35,">>147989583
I'm not talking about Odin drinking semen. I'm talking about Loki giving birth to a horse. Or is Slepnir not real, you unwashed neckbeard? I know you retards have never read a book, but Greenberg isn't the primary or only source of the odin drinking semen fact.",,Anonymous,fCHQBH2.png,NDnLwVYooD5t3XOQ+aF0aw==,US,,1509828395
147984294,147990114,2017-11-04 20:46:56,Are there any other atheists from the middle-east here?,,Anonymous,,,JO,,1509828416
147984294,147990405,2017-11-04 20:49:01,">>147985783
>If you cannot be a rightwing atheist than become Pagan!
This. Pagans and rightwing atheists will always be brothers in fight against christian-degeneracy and for a white ethno state.",,Anonymous,chad pagans - chad atheists - degenerate christian rapist papist.jpg,C1rsmRKWShXceQmeLpV0vw==,,,1509828541
147984294,147991245,2017-11-04 20:55:36,">>147985978
>>147986098
You are doing Odin's work anon!",,Anonymous,5a11b1526544d2868bf9cf98390df49d78211c58e1ae633557b34f3ccd2a9101.jpg,dTvs5VU+rHdwuiybm0qnuw==,,,1509828936
147984294,147991341,2017-11-04 20:56:22,">>147984294
It's okay, OP. You'll grow out of it once you're an adult.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509828982
147984294,147993938,2017-11-04 21:15:33,>>147986906,,Anonymous,1509572297777.png,kIoCuCwZk90bqbSTfdmrUQ==,,,1509830133
147984294,147994157,2017-11-04 21:17:18,>>147985641,,Anonymous,1506632592674.jpg,NBBSrBrqAGqZSloiZxxG9A==,,,1509830238
147984294,147994169,2017-11-04 21:17:23,">>147984294
Atheists don't exist, most of it is spite.
To be an atheist you have to be deluded. The brain automatically believes in a God.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1509830243
147984294,147995514,2017-11-04 21:27:27,">>147985783
>divine creator loves everyone equally
>HOLY SHIT IZ DA JEWZZZZ GUYS!!!11! I NEED PRIVILEGE FOR BEING WHITE!!
Are you that mad that if Jesus really did exist he actually wouldn't give you special privileges just because you were one race or the other?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509830847
147984294,147996209,2017-11-04 21:33:03,">>147995514
First of all there is no proof that Jesus actually existed. Second of all Christianity literally started as a sect of Jews for the goyim to follow.
So if a Jew named Jesus (rabbi Yeshua bar-Yosef) did exist and claimed to be the son of God to spread his degenerate semitic cult in Europe, I would probably kick his ass.",,Anonymous,d8999aa1e261bb2fdd92fbe7509d5154f3ddf6b440b07b91dc006803be24ce4a.jpg,o/ncxwkTXx/BO5Qidx4AmA==,,,1509831183
147984294,147998162,2017-11-04 21:49:06,">>147985197
low energy meme",,Anonymous,,,,,1509832146
147984294,148000476,2017-11-04 22:06:00,">>147985783
>Anti-white
>Anti-family
>Pro-jew
Is there anything more degenerate than christianity brother?",,Anonymous,ce10d9eb9f6253199c93925ea25045f5dcfcfdbad619339f22ce766ea089cd4e.jpg,QUt/5OYqgPk8xt45+8g00g==,,,1509833160
147984294,148002082,2017-11-04 22:17:06,">>147984294
>Atheism isn't politically incorrect
>Christianity is
Jews hate Christianity and support atheism. Don't get me wrong, you are welcome to believe waht you like, but don't forget
>/pol/ is a Christian board
now and forever",,Anonymous,,,,,1509833826
147984294,148002257,2017-11-04 22:18:28,">>148000476
Pagans literally sold their own wifes to Muslims as Sex slaves and Christians are the most Pro Family demographic in the world. You have to be literally braindead to believe your pagan ancestors did anything good for Europe other than cucking for Muslims and pillaging Rome.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509833908
147984294,148003109,2017-11-04 22:24:38,">>147984294
hah if you don't believe in godly intervention and holy miracles how do you explain that I got laid last night
>check mate atheists",,Anonymous,atheists.jpg,RUtTv/pWZEn0MLa/Y/jgOg==,HU,,1509834278
147984294,148004054,2017-11-04 22:31:49,Reminder: Christians do NOT belong on /pol/,,Anonymous,1508630883274.jpg,GMvBfZkjMGJQNHv7Lc/hqQ==,US,,1509834709
147984294,148004232,2017-11-04 22:33:10,">>147989736
ALRIGht here you go
Sperm consist of 3 main parts, the head, the middle piece/mitochondria, and the tail/flagella.
Evolution teaches step by step evolving of everything. However this is impossible when the very base of life needs to consist of these 3 parts all at once. They would have to be intelligently designed and CREATED.
Here's another one. You say we are simply the by product of an INFINANT universe. So you must also have to agree that there is, not might, IS a world consisting of purpled eyed people who all impersonate Charlie Chaplin without knowing who he is. (If you argue you don't understand the concept of infinitey)
You brainlet atheist claim to be too smart to accept a God in your life and I pity you and your brainwashed reasoning skills",,Anonymous,IMG_1129.jpg,eIc4i8ItM7l3uBbc+cteIw==,US,,1509834790
147984294,148004530,2017-11-04 22:35:34,">>148004232
I don't understand evolution therefore it's false
>INFINANT
>INFINITEY
>Reddit spacing
Christian education, everyone",,Anonymous,1509316570932.jpg,0/dHrFsVplJ2Et4C/IOaXw==,US,,1509834934
147984294,148004548,2017-11-04 22:35:41,">>147984294
>Rejction of god,
how can you reject it if it isn't real
checkmate atheists",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509834941
147984294,148004809,2017-11-04 22:37:54,"Can I just not care, am I allowed to do that",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509835074
147984294,148004968,2017-11-04 22:39:08,">>148004232
Has to be bait.",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1509835148
147984294,148005283,2017-11-04 22:41:41,">>148004530
>evolution
>DUDE BIG BOOM LMAO
Atheist education, everyone",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509835301
147984294,148005621,2017-11-04 22:43:52,"Gee I sure do love D/C threads
>the posters ITT",,Anonymous,03E4AA03-ED7E-4117-833E-FAF316E9BD46.png,vOhNhdUgeqxija4WtJspHw==,US,,1509835432
147984294,148005762,2017-11-04 22:44:52,">>147984294
Atheism enables degeneracy. Even if you're atheist, you should still promote religion for society like Plato's noble lie. The vast majority of people are cattle really do need religion to tell the difference between right and wrong. Nothing good can come of talking about or promoting atheism. There is nothing, literally nothing to talk about. It's an irrational belief like any religion, except empty of ideology, inspiration, or wisdom.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1509835492
147984294,148006336,2017-11-04 22:50:06,"Friendly reminder to all those who consider themselves anti-zionist yet also anti-christian:
You are falling victim to the lies you claim to stand against. Look at today's world, what do you see? The power of mass media, the very mass media you believe to be run by (((them))), is waging a full-scale war against Christianity. Christianity is being trivialized and smeared in favour of Islam and nearly every other religion. Christians are mocked and are said to be idiots for their beliefs yet every other religion is comprised of peaceful intellectuals. Can you not see that being a pagan or atheist is exactly what the Zionists want from you? They want you to abandon your Christian faith and doom yourself to the pits of Hell, but more importantly they want you to abandon your Christian values and Christian identity so that you don't put up a greater fight against every other religion they want to subvert you under. Wake up! Embrace Christ and with his protection stand against the encroaching Jew.
Romans 10:9 ""That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.""
>Inb4 ""Christcuck Jesus was a Jew""
Jesus was NOT a Jew! You've only bought into another lie that those you claim to stand against have fed you. Listen to this sermon and enlighten yourself:https://youtu.be/v_79gXBZpJ0[Open]
Bottom line: Abandon your pagan God's or your rejection of God all together. They are the God's created by the Indo-European imagination, but that's all they are, a product of the imagination. Embrace Christ for he's the true enemy of the Jews.
>Posted on other thread which I feel sums things up well",,Anonymous,DEXATI20171103225215.png,Y0q7sHid0pQ2+PpP5W/ydw==,US,,1509835806
147984294,148006606,2017-11-04 22:52:16,">>148004054
>""x doesn't belong on my precious mongolian knitting site""
Ok bubba",,Anonymous,3fd.png,sQ/kG9G364ayAwnCDdegvg==,US,,1509835936
147984294,148006706,2017-11-04 22:52:54,"Alright christfaggots, Chad Pagan is finally here where he belongs. (/pol/ is counter semitic board which is Pagan in nature, pro white atheists are welcome) He is gonna fucking destroy deus vult LARPers and christcucks.",,Chad Pagan,1484946706094.png,sh3JIC6RacXfni4rRMd46A==,,,1509835974
147984294,148006754,2017-11-04 22:53:19,">>148002257
>Hurr durr, Vikings were uncivilized rapists
>Says the christ cuck who's women are welcoming rapefugees and literally asking to get raped by non-whites
Viking rape is a hoax, it is a lie created by Jealousy christ cucks like yourself:
https://youtu.be/B8M9J4szTTY
The Anglo Christians who met Vikings were stunned by how clean they were and how much importance they gave to hygiene (now that's unlikely trait for uncivilized people). Viking boats still remains to be one of the greatest things created by humans at that point in time. Most importantly they were Pagans, worshiped Odin and kept Scandinavia ethnically pure.",,Chad Pagan,1407708257364.jpg,SDxIuRpIDu97PoD05//ZAQ==,,,1509835999
147984294,148006859,2017-11-04 22:54:08,">>148006706
Just stop",,Anonymous,D0832E42-B419-41D8-9418-A9D9B51C8773.jpg,dKynKRdukOX5n53nzqJ0sA==,US,,1509836048
147984294,148006934,2017-11-04 22:54:37,">>148003109
>being this retarded
Yikes!",,Chad Pagan,christ-cucks autistic screeching.png,hbw0eGk5Vb0CMZbewqy5sA==,,,1509836077
147984294,148007180,2017-11-04 22:56:43,">>148006706
most pathetic post ive seen all day. kill yourself pagancuck
also show your flag. we all know your a shart",,Anonymous,,,,,1509836203
147984294,148007254,2017-11-04 22:57:17,"Reposting for additional advice:
I'm attempting a Youtube channel for nationalist/Catholic videos and media within the next few days. For all the Christians in this thread: Anything you'd recommend or want specifically from it? Any topics or advice?",,WOLFSHIEM,Look Up More.jpg,QB0QlIVXhAM6BKvB7V/LEw==,US,,1509836237
147984294,148007257,2017-11-04 22:57:19,">>148004054
Reminder Christians do not belong anywhere near something that is anti semitic / nationalist in nature.
Never trust a christian. Christians can never be truly ethno-nationalists since their religion forces them to literally LARP as ancient hebrews. Christians inherently view all life as equal, which means they are always protective and sympathetic to non-whites. Christians value their faith over their race, and will find more kinship with a based christian negro than a non-christian white man.",,Chad Pagan,agvcxvbvc.jpg,lLyUGsTWtQBh5eLg+6NYvg==,,,1509836239
147984294,148007291,2017-11-04 22:57:34,">>148006706
>Counter semitic
>Pagan in nature
No, Christianity was founded on and has been up until the past few decades anti-semitism. Anti-Semitism is not pagan in nature, there's absolutely no historic backing for that. Pagans who are also anti-semitic and anti-christian are fucking deluded to such an extent it hurts to think about. Please refer to >>148006336 to see why.",,Anonymous,DEXATI20171104160401.png,1CGyz8tb8sZDdq2FsbJR/w==,US,,1509836254
147984294,148007337,2017-11-04 22:58:00,">>148004232
Epic bait.",,Chad Pagan,1499283012601.png,wPgoXYluT7xSZyIq0ORDXg==,,,1509836280
147984294,148007507,2017-11-04 22:59:13,">>147985547
Chritianism is universal.
Just because it happened to be in Palestine doesn't mean it was kebab religion",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1509836353
147984294,148007565,2017-11-04 22:59:41,">>147984294
>>148006754
Quality of posts on 4chan goes down when middle schoolers are home from school. Go do your homework",,Anonymous,,,,,1509836381
147984294,148007692,2017-11-04 23:00:41,>>148006859,,Chad Pagan,1505600055932.png,m0hRZAiEY2882pGiLxmImg==,,,1509836441
147984294,148007795,2017-11-04 23:01:28,">>148007254
make a video on why vatican 2 isnt bullshit and why should we follow it.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509836488
147984294,148007819,2017-11-04 23:01:40,">>148007254
Can you talk about Ressentment by Scheler? It might be a heavy subject but he does a good job of wrecking Nietzsche",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509836500
147984294,148007913,2017-11-04 23:02:24,">>148007257
>Christians do not belong anywhere near something that is anti semitic / nationalist in nature.
Even though Christianity has historically been anti-semitic, ok lmao.
>Christians inherently view all life as equal, which means they are always protective and sympathetic to non-whites.
""Unless you hate all other races you can't be an ethno-nationalist"". How fucking autistic are you? You can love your own race and wish no harm upon others. Fucking stormfag.
>and will find more kinship with a based christian negro than a non-christian white man.
No, not necessarily. As Christians we're called to evangelize so why waste your time hanging out around fellow Christians when you could be hanging out around non-Christians and sharing with them your faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509836544
147984294,148007914,2017-11-04 23:02:24,">>148007180
Shut up, fucking Jihadi scum.",,Chad Pagan,,,,,1509836544
147984294,148007915,2017-11-04 23:02:25,">>148007257
>lets abandon all the western traditions and return to the views of Rome pre-4th century, and the rest of Europe pre-Franks
No, you have literally nothing but calling Christianity Jewish. Your shit does not fly and isn't internally coherent. You're just trying to co-op shit related to you political interests despite it not making sense at all in relation to one another.",,WOLFSHIEM,Leo the Great.jpg,g+4MYOoehmFz2MQ0bln0Iw==,US,,1509836545
147984294,148008203,2017-11-04 23:04:52,">>148007914
t. tyrone jamal rodriguez 1/64 german amerishart
fucking kill yourself",,Anonymous,,,,,1509836692
147984294,148008224,2017-11-04 23:05:05,">>148007692
>judeo Christain values
You know it used to be just “Christendom” before WWII
we can go back and forth cherry picking the worst examples of both atheism and Christianity, at the end of the day this is just D/C kikery",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509836705
147984294,148008329,2017-11-04 23:05:56,">>148007254
Fr Coughlin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXKeiTTN7Wc",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509836756
147984294,148008370,2017-11-04 23:06:18,">>147984294
>Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less.
No. It's lack of belief in gods.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509836778
147984294,148008478,2017-11-04 23:07:09,">>148007819
This is actually a great idea, I think I'll definitely do this.
>>148008329
Will look at.
>>148007795
That will be... difficult, to say the least.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1509836829
147984294,148008541,2017-11-04 23:07:40,">>148004232
poe's law is strong in this one",,Anonymous,,,,,1509836860
147984294,148008728,2017-11-04 23:09:01,">>148008478
Vid is like a minute long
I highly encourage you to look into Fr Coughlin’s radio broadcasts in your free time, the Men was a clairvoyant and woke af to what FDR was doing, he was shut down via executive order after claiming FDR had communists in his admin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509836941
147984294,148008734,2017-11-04 23:09:04,">>148007507
>A religion starting in the Middle East doesn't make it Middle Eastern",,Anonymous,1506047740768.png,mmQEQ3E016lLIRVGKEW/oA==,US,,1509836944
147984294,148008897,2017-11-04 23:10:28,">>148008734
Is Indo-European paganism a steppe religion because it started in the steppe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509837028
147984294,148008909,2017-11-04 23:10:36,">>147985978
>>147986098
I thought this was an atheism general, why are you shilling paganism now?",,Anonymous,,,,,1509837036
147984294,148008989,2017-11-04 23:11:19,">>148007795
Is that even possible? Vatican II was a disaster.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1509837079
147984294,148009022,2017-11-04 23:11:36,">>148008734
Ok, by your logic we should reject EVERYTHING that isn’t of white European origin, that includes your bootleg anime bucko",,Anonymous,5F491A44-E98B-4F5E-8049-B574B438F236.jpg,qeihvqsUXf436/+t8K9p7w==,US,,1509837096
147984294,148009042,2017-11-04 23:11:46,">>147984294
No. Atheism is not degeneracy. However there is also no uniform morals provided by it. Therefore it is a cause of degeneracy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509837106
147984294,148009137,2017-11-04 23:12:36,">>148008989
i know. the sede memers are looking better every day.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509837156
147984294,148009585,2017-11-04 23:16:27,">>148008734
Christian's lucidity is an extension of ancient Greeks wisdom.
Faith and reason, they work together.
It has a universal reach regardless of the place of birth.
It happened to be in Europe and middle East. 
Could have been in South Pole.",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1509837387
147984294,148009705,2017-11-04 23:17:27,">>148008224
Before Christianity, people naturally associated with their race. Christianity changed all that. It made people reject their ethnic and racial identity in favour of a purely religious identity.",,Anonymous,quote-we-used-to-hate-and-destroy-one-another-and-refused-to-associate-with-people-of-another-justin-martyr-85-85-56.jpg,rK76+L7Jd857BtcNSufRMg==,,,1509837447
147984294,148009757,2017-11-04 23:17:57,">>147984294
Explaining God to an atheist is like describing colors to a blind person.
It's impossible. Colors still exist though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509837477
147984294,148009828,2017-11-04 23:18:39,">>148009042
despite this supposed cause of degeneracy atheists know how to stay out of prison quite nicely",,Anonymous,USAprisonReligions2011.jpg,NZ1nC1G2TqKqPTxPErqBIQ==,,,1509837519
147984294,148009926,2017-11-04 23:19:35,">>147984294
Im glad to see this thread. Tired of the Christianity meme",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509837575
147984294,148009932,2017-11-04 23:19:39,">>148009757
/thread",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509837579
147984294,148009949,2017-11-04 23:19:47,,,Anonymous,hmm.png,ZSqkOo+TnUTEkfnPx5G4gg==,GB,,1509837587
147984294,148010080,2017-11-04 23:20:58,">>148009705
Wrong
>Difference of race or condition or sex is indeed taken away by the unity of faith, but it remains embedded in our mortal interactions, and in the journey of this life the apostles themselves teach that it is to be respected [...] For we observe in the unity of faith that there are no such distinctions. Yet within the orders of this life they persist.25 
>This is the first reference to social implications found within early church history and it is by way of negation. Augustine believed Gal. 3:28 was a statement of faith that did not remove distinctions in this earthly life. It was about unity rather than equality.",,Anonymous,1509127897270.jpg,MwKeHM/+AbAIJHtpw08+FQ==,US,,1509837658
147984294,148010101,2017-11-04 23:21:09,">>147984294
The Torah, and its derivatives, the Old Testament and the Koran, are horrible shit shows of violence, tribalism and oppression. 
The New Testament IMHO is the what redeems Christianity over the others. 
But lets face reality. A lot of people need religion to find meaning and purpose. To that end, New testament Christianity is far more preferable than the dictates of the Torah or Koran.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509837669
147984294,148010169,2017-11-04 23:21:42,">>148008728
The brevity of it all really seems very nice. Definitely will take in the advice. Thank you very much.",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1509837702
147984294,148010405,2017-11-04 23:23:33,>>148009949,,Anonymous,Scarecrow.jpg,eBNp/POU0kSaYjqi5lboqw==,US,,1509837813
147984294,148010460,2017-11-04 23:23:59,">>148007291
It's reverse psychology that Christianity might seem somewhat anti-semitic. It's because the Jews created Christianity for goys to follow, and Judaism was for the jewish race which they saw as elite 
Judaism teaches Jews to fuck over goys and use them, and Christianity teaches goys to get fucked over and be tools.
Christianity was made by non-white shitskin sand nigger israelites who were ethnically jewish. Thus Christianity and true anti-semiticism, or true white pride, can never go hand in hand",,Anonymous,1505260467402m.jpg,M6gILFfDUJKhda36ThTEgQ==,,,1509837839
147984294,148010663,2017-11-04 23:25:41,">>148010169
No problemo muchacho",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509837941
147984294,148010899,2017-11-04 23:27:32,">>148010460
>I don’t know the history of the Jews and the Vatican: the post
Pic related is one of the more tame interactions too. Did you know it was the Catholic Church which first used yellow stars to identify Jews?",,Anonymous,9DFA1C10-9059-4370-A0A8-9F55E1CCFA29.jpg,lr9AHD1hi2RaR8uTsF5iwg==,US,,1509838052
147984294,148010988,2017-11-04 23:28:15,">>148010080
You would literally have to change the English language to get any good meaning out of it. Stop trying.",,Anonymous,1505077530730.jpg,OOZbz0qQBV5OSN7SBpkADQ==,,,1509838095
147984294,148011140,2017-11-04 23:29:28,">>148010460
Judaism was only kept legal because they needed someone to run the banks.
Not even memeing. It was illegal for Christians to collect interest.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509838168
147984294,148011866,2017-11-04 23:35:09,">>148010899
So according to his own words, Jews just have to recognize Jesus to get unlimited advantage and support. You see, the reason why Jews didn't have to be labeled with a yellow star in Pagan Europe is because there were no Jews.
You don't have to kick Jews out of your country, if there are no Jews duh. Jews failed to infiltrate Europe with it's native religion and pride. Yes, that christian bible, with all the stuff about the jews being yahweh's chosen ones, is definitely responsible for causing a lot of Whites to kiss jew ass. It needs to stop. Whites would be better off reading The White Man's Bible by Ben Klassen.
I don't like this christcuck fascination that everything that happens to jews is done directly by god. I want whites to take care of the jews, not god. We need to take care of them on our own volition, not at the whim of god, who apparently will let heinous things happen to our people for some unexplained reason.",,Anonymous,1502512639964.jpg,9gRnctgOLaC5S6va1vkUdw==,,,1509838509
147984294,148012031,2017-11-04 23:36:26,">>148011866
fuck of shill, you even got devils numbers",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509838586
147984294,148012078,2017-11-04 23:36:46,">>147984678
fpbp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509838606
147984294,148012492,2017-11-04 23:40:00,">>148010080
kek I shouldn't have speedread this image I posted, on closer inspection it says some silly things",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509838800
147984294,148012786,2017-11-04 23:42:21,">>148012031
Uhh, I think you missed one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509838941
147984294,148013197,2017-11-04 23:45:51,">>148011140
In other words Christian rulers (slaves of the Jew) allowed jews to take over the banking industry by banning usury for everyone but jews.
I was going to mention about this in my next post. Since you already mentioned it, explain to me how this was good for the European people.
Before Christianity there was no religious wars, there were some fights but nothing like what happened after christenization.
There was pan Europeanism, rich Pagan Europeans lending money to Pagans who where not economically well. Interest rates where very low. It was basically Europeans helping each other, making each other rich.
Christianity changed all that, giving total control of the wealth of Europe to Jews. The wealth wasn't created by Christians either, it was created by Great Pagan emperors, the likes of Diocletian.",,Anonymous,1505062607825.png,rLNE9caobGGCJSfI81gtzA==,,,1509839151
147984294,148013332,2017-11-04 23:47:00,">>148013197
If Christianity is ""the enemy of Jewry"", then Jews don't need any friends. ""Based Christian"" Charlemagne, the father of Europe according to Christians, for killing pagan saxons, gave Jews their economical power
> Charlemagne (800–814) readily made use of the Church for the purpose of infusing coherence into the loosely joined parts of his extensive empire, by any means a blind tool of the canonical law. He employed Jews for diplomatic purposes, sending, for instance, a Jew as interpreter and guide with his embassy to Harun al-Rashid. Yet, even then, a gradual change occurred in the lives of the Jews. The Church forbade Christians to be usurers, so the Jews secured the remunerative monopoly of money-lending. This decree caused a mixed reaction of people in general in the Frankish empire (including Germany) to the Jews: Jewish people were sought everywhere, as well as avoided. This ambivalence about Jews occurred because their capital was indispensable, while their business was viewed as disreputable. This curious combination of circumstances increased Jewish influence and Jews went about the country freely, settling also in the eastern portions. Aside from Cologne, the earliest communities were established in Mainz, Worms, Speyer, and Regensburg.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany#From_Rome_to_the_Crusades
Their christian ""punishment"" against the ""evil jews"" was to receive a lucrative financial monopoly of ""sinful high financing that no European shall ever benefit from"" and to move to the next country to fleece when the peasants got too riled up.",,Anonymous,1503783438398.jpg,+Obief4fBEsEbBuyphghJg==,,,1509839220
147984294,148013869,2017-11-04 23:51:15,">>147985228
I agree with this. It's been an unfortunate revelation of mine, and one I'm still trying to reconcile with.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509839475
147984294,148014327,2017-11-04 23:55:06,">>148011866
>>148013197
>>148013332
CHRISTFAGS BTFOED!!!
Try arguing against this you intellectually dishonest circumcised jew cock suckers.",,Anonymous,Christians In A Nutshell by Ludwig Denker.jpg,KXTU5nfr6Egzvf85i8+8zg==,,,1509839706
147984294,148014653,2017-11-04 23:57:56,">>148012031
Not an argument. Are all christcucks autistic brainlets?",,Anonymous,1508423279654.jpg,168HedmFNNhIgozjvwty+w==,,,1509839876
147984294,148015085,2017-11-05 00:01:27,">>147985228
>>148013869
C.S. Lewis describes it really well
>“The Christian says, 'Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. A baby feels hunger: well, there is such a thing as food. A duckling wants to swim: well, there is such a thing as water. Men feel sexual desire: well, there is such a thing as sex. If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world. If none of my earthly pleasures satisfy it, that does not prove that the universe is a fraud. Probably earthly pleasures were never meant to satisfy it, but only to arouse it, to suggest the real thing. If that is so, I must take care, on the one hand, never to despise, or to be unthankful for, these earthly blessings, and on the other, never to mistake them for the something else of which they are only a kind of copy, or echo, or mirage. I must keep alive in myself the desire for my true country, which I shall not find till after death; I must never let it get snowed under or turned aside; I must make it the main object of life to press on to that country and to help others to do the same.” 
> If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world
It's a universal feeling.",,Anonymous,1373166115428.jpg,Ymk2qG0ZYBe74/+ABrdkTQ==,US,,1509840087
147984294,148015722,2017-11-05 00:07:09,">>148015085
Thanks for the quote, anon.
Personally, I've filled the hole described with visions of a family. While I don't fall victim to the longing too severely (that's why I chose agnosticism), it is definitely something that's easily recognizable in the populace.
To each their own, I suppose. Just stop making churches tax exempt.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509840429
147984294,148015723,2017-11-05 00:07:09,Agnostic here. Reminder that you still haven't disproved Saint Anselm.,,Anonymous,,,,,1509840429
147984294,148016280,2017-11-05 00:11:38,">>148015723
Could I get some more information on this?
Sounds interesting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509840698
147984294,148016914,2017-11-05 00:17:14,">>148016280
You must either,
A) conceive a being than which none greater can be conceived,
B) conceive a being that is better only in the understanding also than in reality
C) trace the origins of the concept of god as it had appeared in your head
Have fun.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509841034
147984294,148017302,2017-11-05 00:20:39,">>148016914
Shit. Thanks!
I can think of C right off the bat, my cousins are Christian and when I was four they took me with to one of their Sunday post-prayer events. On the ride home I was thinking about the idea of a God. That's as far back as I can remember my thoughts on deities.
More thinking required.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509841239
147984294,148017311,2017-11-05 00:20:43,">>148015722
nice digits
I can't really call myself a Christian mainly because I have tough time wrapping my mind around the idea of the divinity of Christ, but there are a lot of neat things that just seem to make sense or fall into place with christianity. After going through a pretty weird absolute atheist phase from about 16 to 20yo, but after doing some reading this neat book from the leader of the human genome project,Francis S. Collins called the Language of God. In it, he is able to reconcile faith in a personal God with all the findings of science, from the age of the universe, to evolution. 
I'd recommend Mere Christianity and Surprised by Joy by C.S. Lewis. Surprised by Joy is about his journey from atheism to Christianity and Mere Christianity is an excellent breakdown of the main tenets every Christian believes without getting into different denominations.",,Anonymous,TN-Tuor_Reaches_the_Hidden_City_of_Gondolin.jpg,K0hLx7nH0uIB3qls9sTEDw==,US,,1509841243
147984294,148017532,2017-11-05 00:22:56,">>148011866
>>148013197
>>148013332
WoW! You literally destroyed Christians with just three posts. Congrats. They went silent after this!",,Anonymous,f8d06cc939a74db98705359129c5bae91d049e4997d7708d6207c436df423bd8.png,FWzAid7m0iLGfx/X+ufO9A==,,,1509841376
147984294,148017831,2017-11-05 00:26:17,">>148012031
>Can't except the truth
>Have no argument against it, because it is the truth
>But I'm really addicted to my dead jew on a stick
>So I will write a shitty comment anyway
I know truth hurts anon.",,Anonymous,1509503046795.png,W1fz44zRc7wGYlpWSrqiow==,,,1509841577
147984294,148018214,2017-11-05 00:29:48,">>148017311
Thanks for the recommendations. Been looking for some books to read, so these are next up.
I definitely think religion and science aren't mutually exclusive, nor do I think they should be. If the science is accurate, and the religion gets you from birth to death in the least amount of suffering, then I'm happy for you.
I've always had the mindset of ""the mind as a computer"", but the more I get into genetics and the brain, the more conflicted I am. We don't yet know what the majority of our genome encodes (we just know they don't encode proteins), and it will take a very long time to know what it's all for.
As for the divinity of Christ, or Allah, or whatever deity/dieties you subscribe to, I like to think about pic related. Since we (as of yet) have no way of proving or disproving the existence of God(s), who's to say who's right or wrong? It's perfectly fine to be spiritual without being religious.
I don't know. It's a bit late, and I'm just rambling.",,Anonymous,1.png,uSCuznoXDbAiiwO8hKSyMQ==,US,,1509841788
147984294,148019471,2017-11-05 00:43:05,">>148011866
>>148013197
>>148013332
/thread",,Anonymous,1504410098834.jpg,7ywjUcDNccmgAY2KSbuQew==,,,1509842585
147984294,148020406,2017-11-05 00:52:24,">>148013197
>>148013332
Dude, did you just BTFO christcucks with 2 posts???",,Anonymous,,,,,1509843144
147984294,148020640,2017-11-05 00:54:39,">>148018214
No problem.",,Anonymous,1504979973850.jpg,sF7cZFJdJTual9pLcnQABA==,US,,1509843279
147984294,148020645,2017-11-05 00:54:45,">>147984294
eat mushrooms with guided religious intent and shut the fuck up",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843285
147984294,148020672,2017-11-05 00:55:02,">>147986086
>HUURR DUURR
>Atheists are oblivious that religion is a mind control tool.",,Anonymous,1509575224613.png,c3z6w8Jq2UjyImKfIlPeVw==,US,,1509843302
147984294,148020978,2017-11-05 00:58:05,">>147985197
Tom Metzger the weatherman on Fox 44? Holy shit",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509843485
147984294,148021017,2017-11-05 00:58:24,">>147985349
Care to list all of those religions?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843504
147984294,148021174,2017-11-05 01:00:09,">>148013197
>allowed jews to take over the banking industry by banning usury for everyone but jews.
that happened occasionally but not often, and the church was always against it. there's a reason usury is forbidden in the catholic church.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843609
147984294,148021209,2017-11-05 01:00:28,">>148009705
Christianity CREATED European ethnic identities. Rule of St. Benedict and all that",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509843628
147984294,148021325,2017-11-05 01:01:49,">>147986098
>citing tacitus
Where does it say the Germans are against race mixing?
>christian women are more likely to mudshark
Well there are far far more of them, but even considering this, pagan women are statistically mudsharking more.
>atheism thread
>shill for paganism
>inb4 ""christcuck""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843709
147984294,148021462,2017-11-05 01:03:07,">>147985547
Same for any form of religion that isn't animism.
>>148008734
see
>>148008897",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843787
147984294,148021591,2017-11-05 01:04:32,">>147984294
It takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a believer in a god. Your facts and logic you love so much support this",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843872
147984294,148021825,2017-11-05 01:07:03,">>148021591
>It takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a believer in a god.
Which God tho.",,Anonymous,1502222636005.jpg,mkrSQ2TxHeKqLhqRyALnjg==,US,,1509844023
147984294,148022167,2017-11-05 01:10:50,">>148021825
The one God that all monotheists believe in",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509844250
147984294,148022415,2017-11-05 01:13:29,">>147984678
fpbp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509844409
147984294,148022465,2017-11-05 01:14:06,">>148022167
But all monotheists believe they are the true chosen ones even small churches like pic related.",,Anonymous,westboro-baptist-church.jpg,mEGKKh1D3ouB02QE0iiA0w==,US,,1509844446
147984294,148022506,2017-11-05 01:14:27,">>148013197
I've been trying to explain this shit on here for years, Christianity was the deliberate weaponizing of a variety of non-European mythology. 
They don't care, they're too stupid to care. They have their feels and that's that as far as they are concerned.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509844467
147984294,148022780,2017-11-05 01:17:20,">>148022465
But they believe in the same God as all other Christians plus muslims and jews. Except these different religions and denominations all just have different understandings of this one God.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509844640
147984294,148023228,2017-11-05 01:22:39,">>148022780
But all Abrahamic religions and their sects believe all other sects that don't subscribe to their specific interpretations of their holy books will not be accepted by The Almighty in the end.",,Anonymous,1508430109154.jpg,8fN9hnSsc4q6+UusHbPqlg==,US,,1509844959
147984294,148023565,2017-11-05 01:26:32,">>148023228
That may or may not be true, but they still all mean the same thing when they say ""God,"" unlike polytheists like the Hindus",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509845192
147984294,148023670,2017-11-05 01:27:38,">>147984294
>atheism is the rejection of god
That's gnostic atheism
Atheism in if by itself means nothing more than not theist. Which means one without religious belief. 
>>147984678
>not-religion is a religion
Nice projecting, christcuck. Yoy will always be more beneficial to the jews than the white race.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509845258
147984294,148023742,2017-11-05 01:28:18,">>148023670
*of",,Anonymous,1495383986761_0.jpg,sMoGs/8tjOy+qKiib+GhBw==,LV,,1509845298
147984294,148023807,2017-11-05 01:29:06,">>148023670
So Gnostic atheists believe that the demiurge created the universe, but that there is no way to escape it?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509845346
147984294,148023918,2017-11-05 01:30:28,">>148023565
Every monotheists knows it's true.
>They constantly debate each other and make asses of themselves trying to convert one another.
>I thought /pol/ was for politics and politically incorrect topics.",,Anonymous,1509582691771.jpg,dTwZoMohXZZ8qh290yInMQ==,US,,1509845428
147984294,148024135,2017-11-05 01:32:35,">>148023807
No, leaf. All that ""gnostic atheism"" says about a person is that he considers no deities to exist or have even the slightest possibility of existing. 
Why is it so hard to grasp the concept of theist=religious and atheist=not-religious
Why do you want to add your own beliefs to the definitions of those words? Makes you seem kinda ignorant, prejudice and generalising.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509845555
147984294,148024353,2017-11-05 01:34:48,">>148023918
Well yeah, the debate is over the proper teachings that should be followed and the best way to explain this one God. But every monotheist means the same thing when they say ""God.""",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509845688
147984294,148025122,2017-11-05 01:43:02,">>148024353
But you can't deny the fact that religious people believe not every Monotheistic denomination/sect will receive eternal salvation in ""The end"", only theirs.",,Anonymous,1508869347211.png,nAZFlw3hEYedQ6cudCqD6g==,US,,1509846182
147984294,148025462,2017-11-05 01:46:55,">>148024353
>jews find out religion is great for crowd control
>jews know they aren't liked
>jews come up with religion that seemingly has a jew traitor as its frontman (Jesus)
>thus jews have created the most cucked religious group of its time - christianity
>christianity wins - jews win even more
How is this hard to grasp?",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509846415
147984294,148025660,2017-11-05 01:49:05,">>148025462
>jews invent a religion where jews kill the son of god
>christians kill millions of jews over the next 2000 years as a result
Brilliant.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509846545
147984294,148025740,2017-11-05 01:49:58,">>148025660
What are you even talking about?",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509846598
147984294,148025843,2017-11-05 01:51:11,">>148004232
>However this is impossible when the very base of life needs to consist of these 3 parts all at once.
>I pity you and your brainwashed reasoning skills
Your conclusion is based on a mere assumption you brainlet",,Anonymous,,,,,1509846671
147984294,148025966,2017-11-05 01:52:35,">>148025660
Do you maybe need a reminder of how much more christians killed each other over the period of those 2000 years?
>>148004232
If humans ever had a designer, he definitely wasn't very intelligent",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509846755
147984294,148026119,2017-11-05 01:54:15,">>148011866
>You see, the reason why Jews didn't have to be labeled with a yellow star in Pagan Europe is because there were no Jews.
But there were Jews living in Europe even before Christian times, Hellenistic Judaism existed all throughout the Roman Empire
>>148013197
>le Charlemagne 
Yeah he dun goofed, he also went against the explicit orders of the pope when he did that
>Before Christianity there was no religious wars, there were some fights
Sure, the wholesale massacre of the druids was just a little fight between pals right?
>There was pan Europeanism, rich Pagan Europeans lending money to Pagans who where not economically well. Interest rates where very low. It was basically Europeans helping each other, making each other rich.
Rubbish. Romans and Germans were in constant conflict, Greeks believed they had more in common with Egyptians than Northern Europeans, and the Scandis saw no problem in selling Celtic women to Arab and Persian merchants. The idea of a White Europe only manifested during the Crusades and Reconquista
>jews again
You should read up on Julian the Apostate, was a neopagan who hated Christians and loved the kikes, even tried to rebuild the Third Temple. Also read up how Jews were treated in India and China, and see what Rabbi Yitzhak Sarfati said about life in the Ottoman Empire compared to Christian Europe",,Anonymous,1402629185265.jpg,T5EWDy0XuXJypvD1TI0XUg==,US,,1509846855
147984294,148026233,2017-11-05 01:55:34,">>147984294
Your day is coming apostate.",,Anonymous,St. Elie.png,Fcy41gyJs68dfOYS3ydB8g==,TW,,1509846934
147984294,148026498,2017-11-05 01:58:31,">>148026233
>there are thousands od religions out there
>oh but our cuckold religion is the only true one checkmate athetits",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509847111
147984294,148026702,2017-11-05 01:01:12,">>147984294
Digits and OP becomes a practicing Jew",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843672
147984294,148026917,2017-11-05 01:04:04,">>148025462
The Romans created the fictional story of Christ, infiltrated and subverted the original Jewish Christian movement. ""Paul the Apostle"" admits in his writings that he persecuted Jewish Christians but omitted many things. What ""Paul the Apostle"" did was essentially Psy-op on behalf of his Roman overlords.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509843844
147984294,148026997,2017-11-05 01:05:08,">>148026233
>A chink telling white man who wants to save his race, that he must love and worship dead kike on a stick or else he will burn in hell.
I never thought this would happen on /pol/. How it all came down to this? Is (((christianity))) a disease which has no cure?",,Anonymous,120c6bfec136cfa810e2de5972bd2535--overly-obsessed-girlfriend-religion-funny.jpg,75GN1AA4gl7XLjPb1+GT6Q==,,,1509843908
147984294,148027293,2017-11-05 01:08:34,">>147984294
that meme is fuckin awful m8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509844114
147984294,148027344,2017-11-05 01:09:09,">>148026997
Hell doesn't have an ontological reality, the same light that envelopes the righteous will burn the damned",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509844149
147984294,148027450,2017-11-05 01:10:28,"Atheism is dead. It's political, it's allied with islam.
You want evidence?
See http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/elevatorgate
http://www.conservapedia.com/Elevatorgate
For what really happened.
A guy invites a youtube whore out for cofee in an elevator.
Youtube whore is offended, because how dare he be THAT agressive towards her in a confined space she has no chance to escape from.
Drama erupt in the community.
Richard Dawkins spoke out against the Youtube whore, and islam in general. (How dare he!!!)
The whole Atheist movement fractured. The Feminist side hijacked the movement, the other side took Dawkin's side and splintered off into a rebellion.
Here is the feminist propaganda of the event: https://anonym.to/?https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Elevatorgate
How can you tell this version is bullshit, you ask?
>Seriously, watch the original video. No shaming, no naming, no ranting. She has never said anything more than that;
It's worded exactly as a damage control.
Losing Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens was a fatal blow to the movement.
By the way, Matt Dillahunty got desperate a handful of years later, he invited Richard Dawkins for a friendly reconciliation debate, to give the audience this message:
>See, we can get along just fine, there's no problems between us
Paraphrased.
Either way, it's over.",,Anonymous,1492912818912.jpg,Ne2P1SLNRdkn2OhpdRAb6Q==,DK,,1509844228
147984294,148027587,2017-11-05 01:11:44,">>148026498
>>148026997
May God have mercy upon your souls.
>>148027344
Witnessed",,Anonymous,1507025961709.jpg,D36XivDUIYGZpxZR92bj6w==,TW,,1509844304
147984294,148027838,2017-11-05 01:14:26,">>148027450
False only 56% of atheists are Left leaning, the rest ARE NOT LEFTISTS, get your facts straight faggot.
>Most are white, male, and highly educated. 56% are politically liberal. People of color, women, and the less educated tend to be more religious.
http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/is-atheism-growing-in-america",,Anonymous,02umGQ.gif,1hbX1mUr+e/1onT2RO980A==,US,,1509844466
147984294,148027897,2017-11-05 01:15:00,">>148027587
Keep fighting the good fight anon, I'm off to bed",,Anonymous,1507793864672.jpg,A+fzr0Fx7AcdH1a6hF54xw==,US,,1509844500
147984294,148027924,2017-11-05 01:15:21,">>148009022
>Ok, by your logic we should reject EVERYTHING that isn’t of white European origin, that includes your bootleg anime bucko
I don't see the problem here.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509844521
147984294,148028087,2017-11-05 01:17:08,">>148025122
Well a Christian might say that a Muslim is going to hell. But the Christian would never say that the Muslim does not believe in God, and vice versa.
>>148025462
>>148025740
Blood libel. Christians believe that when Jesus was crucified, the Jews called for his blood to e on them and their children. So to be a Jew is to affirm that you think it was good that Christ was crucified. Many Jews even say this explicitly.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509844628
147984294,148028240,2017-11-05 01:19:06,">>148027838
>False
Nothing in my post was false. I linked to both sides of the argument.
Atheism peaked during the reign of the Bush administration. the 4 horsemen was triumphant (Except for Dennet who got owned by Dinesh), the athesit movement had prominent public debates in England and USA as a real issue.
Then they cock cocky during Obama's years, the communists hijacked your movement and your conferences. And now it's over.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509844746
147984294,148028684,2017-11-05 01:24:13,">>148028087
>But the Christian would never say that the Muslim does not believe in God, and vice versa.
Did I ever said that Christians consider Muslims atheist/godless?
>Well a Christian might say that a Muslim is going to hell.
You essentially admitted that what I stated was indeed factual.>>148025122
Flawless strawman Christcuck.",,Anonymous,1502309423411.jpg,IKYdVuiZlk4bVh4/J5APeA==,US,,1509845053
147984294,148028978,2017-11-05 01:27:33,">>148028684
I was only ever claiming that all monotheists believe in the same God, since you claimed otherwise.
You seem to be trying to get me to argue something else",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509845253
147984294,148029335,2017-11-05 01:32:16,">>148028240
Yes.
>it's allied with islam.
Only 56% are Liberal that doesn't mean that all 56% of Liberal atheists support Islam. Only the Progressives and Cultural Marxists.
http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/is-atheism-growing-in-america",,Anonymous,1502176856920.jpg,AZZcwRGABUrEPtwT3DavtA==,US,,1509845536
147984294,148029398,2017-11-05 01:33:06,"Atheism is a religion of course but a stupid kind of religion who doesn't offer anything. At least Christianity and many other religions promise some afterlife, whatever credible is it.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509845586
147984294,148029407,2017-11-05 01:33:14,">>148027587
If he exists I'll be sure to whoop his ass
>>148026917
So going against jews is what sealed the roman's existence? Subterfuge and infiltration truly are terrifying things",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509845594
147984294,148029493,2017-11-05 01:34:15,">>148029398
Atheism is literally (as in by definition) not religion. Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8of8",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509845655
147984294,148029507,2017-11-05 01:34:24,">>147984294
Atheism lost the argument about 1300 years ago. The only reason your cuck ""religion,"" if we can call it something so nice, still exists is that the Jews find you useful idiots for their plans.
Still, fastest shrinking religion in the world, and your primacy can be found EXCLUSIVELY amongst rapidly degrading and collapsing demographics.
End of Discussion: You chose the wrong side, and you lose badly. One of us us worth three of you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509845664
147984294,148029728,2017-11-05 01:37:04,">>147984294
Atheism? It's just another load of bullshit. 
There's no evidence of a universe from nothing so I have no reason to reject theism. 
Pic related is atheistfags in a nutshell.",,Anonymous,1508283298949m.jpg,PBJJ7lkpEybzhTYQRH/XNA==,,,1509845824
147984294,148029904,2017-11-05 01:39:07,">>148029335
>Only 56%
I don't trust your number. Either way my point was you movement is dead.
No TV networks take up your issues anymore, you're just not relevant as a movement.
Because your colleagues backstabbed Dawkins and alienated all the scientists and other credible supporters you had.
...actually, you had 1 guy left.
Richard Carrier. But the Feminists backstabbed him too after his usefulness to him was over with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMvj1eLdYqI
Turns out he supported the feminists hijacking the Atheists movement because he was desperate for sex.",,Anonymous,1465686386078.png,rqDx1ZL/JyMkNSnR7aKWCg==,DK,,1509845947
147984294,148029939,2017-11-05 01:39:24,">>147984294
Also since humans gained higher cognitive abilities and intellect, they begun believing in a creator. 
Atheism as a philosophy pre-dates nothing. The Ancient Greeks had an entire school of thought behind the Prime Mover and the idea of a creator before atheism even existed as an actual philosophy.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509845964
147984294,148029960,2017-11-05 01:39:39,">>147984294
Couldn't help but notice you guys have a habit of specifically shitting on Christianity. Why is that? Too chickenshit to rip on Islam? Or do you have daddy issues about having to go to church as a kid on Sunday? What is it about Jesus that makes you so insecure as to lose your temper?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509845979
147984294,148030202,2017-11-05 01:42:29,">>148028978
>I was only ever claiming that all monotheists believe in the same God
You:>>148021591.
Me:>>148021825 I was asking for clarification.
Why are you still making things up
>since you claimed otherwise.
Wrong I claimed that each denomination/sect of Monotheistic religions has its own unique interpretation of their Holy Books.",,Anonymous,1502338685027.jpg,8k1glKl1fJxEue79vKM/+g==,US,,1509846149
147984294,148030222,2017-11-05 01:42:47,">>147985349
If the Big Bang is possible, the odds of the Judeo-Christian God being the real one out of the number your meme gives is comparably much better. That image is foot-in-mouth from the start.",,Anonymous,1509640053840.png,3LUyIWMnLwqfSJ1RnEC39Q==,US,,1509846167
147984294,148030248,2017-11-05 01:43:05,">>148029960
>Too chickenshit to rip on Islam?
They did>>148027450
But they got banned and excommunicated when they tried to critisize islam.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509846185
147984294,148030277,2017-11-05 01:43:27,>>147984294,,Anonymous,5F431FF7-D85D-4246-9141-E8BF05A6DCA8.jpg,BlJ/kTy+E0pzOcx+doykPw==,,,1509846207
147984294,148030405,2017-11-05 01:45:13,">>148030202
That first post is not mine. Check the IDs and the flags. I only jumped in when you said ""which God"" and that is the only thing I was addressing",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509846313
147984294,148030516,2017-11-05 01:46:29,">>148029904
>Either way my point was you movement is dead.
Please provide a reputable source.
>No TV networks take up your issues anymore
Thanks to the current Cultural Marxist and Politically Correct trend. It is now considered too offensive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509846389
147984294,148030546,2017-11-05 01:46:57,">>148030202
YOUR REPLYING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE 56% AMERISHART PAGANKEK.",,Anonymous,1509511273872.png,uDfo3hrhm+WPSsD40tPBuw==,,,1509846417
147984294,148030649,2017-11-05 01:48:13,">>148029728
Atheism never claimed that the universe came from nothing. In fact that's what theism claims",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509846493
147984294,148030808,2017-11-05 01:50:19,">>148030516
>Thanks to the current Cultural Marxist and Politically Correct trend.
So we can argue Atheism naturally steers a country into cultural marxism and political correct cancer.
That's what happens when you destroy Christianity/Hindu/Buddhism as the foundation of the country, all the retards which were kept in check runs over to the Marxist camp and gets the better of your movement.
You are basically a trojan horse.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509846619
147984294,148030873,2017-11-05 01:50:56,">>148024135
Because whether one is a gnostic atheist or an agnostic atheist is a reflection of their epistemic commitments, which helps to reflect why it is exactly that they are an atheist. Someone who is an atheist because they KNOW that God doesn't exist is very different from someone who is an atheist because they do NOT KNOW that God exists. 
> Lrn2philosophy",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509846656
147984294,148030899,2017-11-05 01:51:09,">>148030405
My mistake.
You still made a straw man when you replied with
>I was only ever claiming that all monotheists believe in the same God
Because I din't claim that monotheists believe in different gods. I claimed that they all have their own unique interpretations.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509846669
147984294,148031057,2017-11-05 01:52:58,">>148030899
Of the same God. Which is what I was saying. So it's a misunderstanding to say ""which God?"" to a monotheist.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509846778
147984294,148031155,2017-11-05 01:54:09,">>148030873
> Lrn2philosophy
Way ahead of you, lad
And it's ""whether or not god exists"", not ""that""
Seriously, stop projecting cuck religions",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509846849
147984294,148031233,2017-11-05 01:55:07,">>147984294
There is no such thing as Atheism you fucking retard. There are only people who choose not to believe in God. Atheism is the most fucking retarded word ever I swear, you believe in not believing in something which contradicts itself entirely. When will we crusade manlets like you for fuck sake.",,Anonymous,1498935249936s.jpg,FrQk2KeAcQ5N04k1/1fGCg==,US,,1509846907
147984294,148031332,2017-11-05 01:56:12,">>148030808
No. Atheists make up an insignificant percentage of the U.S. population. Approximately 3.1%
Please read the link I provided Thoroughly it links to a reputable think tank.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509846972
147984294,148031407,2017-11-05 01:57:12,So is this the atheist's bible?,,Anonymous,goddelusiondawkins3.gif,mlZoQlmt7fIZHUUCLZZzNQ==,US,,1509847032
147984294,148031549,2017-11-05 01:58:44,">>147984294
Atheist here. I don't think Atheism itself is degenerate, but Atheists themselves tend to be pretty degenerate. It's one thing for it to be factually true that there is no God, but it's another to dismiss religion and other traditions because our flawed reasoning for why we have them doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny. Traditions are answers to long forgotten problems. I believe the problems we face today, the degeneration of society, were long ago solved by religion. It worked for a really long time, but started to fail due to a combination of factors. Mainly, over generations, the metaphorical message of Christianity about how we should live our lives was lost on the masses. That, coupled with the accelerating expanse of scientific knowledge that seems to contradict the incorrect, literal interpretation of Christianity, has led to its ultimate failure. We need a revival of Christianity, to rediscover the values it teaches us, why they're important, and most crucially, it needs to remain clear over the generations that religion doesn't compete with science. Science is about what there is, but it can't tell you how to live. That's religion's job.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847124
147984294,148031729,2017-11-05 02:00:47,">>148031057
>Of the same God. Which is what I was saying.
How many times do I have to repeat that I never disagreed because I never claimed the opposite of what you are asserting. You are making up straw man arguments.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847247
147984294,148031848,2017-11-05 02:02:12,">>148031332
What bullshit is this? Your article was bragging with 25%, not 3,1%.
Anyway, we can observe your movement is a trojan horse that leads to communism/islamification.
There is no way around stupid people, once you succeed in converting them away from a religion, they will just subscribe to marxism and open the way for your country to be invaded by islam.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509847332
147984294,148031958,2017-11-05 02:03:20,">>148031549
>needing a skydaddy to be moral
Christfags everyone",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847400
147984294,148032027,2017-11-05 02:04:17,"here's some facts: the stories taught in christianity pre-date religion. they were passed on through oral storytelling and after thousands of years of telling these stories with minor alterations each time they were told , the important and meaningful parts of the stories remained and were eventually written down in the old testament. these stories don't describe magical events, they use symbolism to describe what our ancestors observed over several hundred generations as being the ideal manner in which to behave and conduct yourself in society, and how if everyone conducts themselves thusly, something beautiful is created as a result. you get a society that tirelessly seeks to explore, to obtain knowledge, resources, wealth, and to share all of this wealth with your society; to use this wealth to elevate yourself and those around you.
cultures throughout the world have different values from christianity. western civilization was built on top of the values passed down to us through christianity. whether you realize it or not, you were born and raised on christian values. you may not realize it because you only know of one set of values - christian ones. but realize that other cultures have different values and manners in which they conduct themselves and how their society is organized. it is no coincidence that western civilization has surpassed every other - that is a direct result of what we value.",,Anonymous,89721378.png,bWrb6w3jaQuBWg0MSHjTSA==,US,,1509847457
147984294,148032106,2017-11-05 02:04:54,">>147984294
I'm an athiest, but I never bring it up though.
Why?
Instant ostracism. It's not something to tell when around 75% of the country goes to church. 
But yeah I'm not about to worship a dead kike on a stick.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847494
147984294,148032119,2017-11-05 02:05:02,">>148031958
In theory Christianity is insane.
But in practice, Atheism leads to insanity.
I'm sorry Anon, but he is right.",,Anonymous,1484901118772.jpg,KHlbdUDhww3+Zpocglifvw==,DK,,1509847502
147984294,148032313,2017-11-05 02:07:10,">>148032119
So basically people need christianity because low IQ brainlets can't handle atheism? Seems like we need eugenics to produce higher IQ people then.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847630
147984294,148032318,2017-11-05 02:07:14,">>148031958
is this bait? I'm an Atheist. You missed the point, which was that the literal interpretation of Christianity is wrong, i.e. God isn't real. But the metaphorical interpretation is deep and teaches us how to live. Like many Atheists, you're no different from a Christfag. The actual meaning and importance of the Bible is completely lost on you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847634
147984294,148032446,2017-11-05 02:08:41,">>148032119
Nice b8 danem8 i r8 8/8",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509847721
147984294,148032531,2017-11-05 02:09:36,">>148032313
>Seems like we need eugenics to produce higher IQ people then.
That would be fine by me. Honestly.
But we don't have that. So the next best thing is a stable religion as foundation. We need to be pragmatic to survive this bullshit we created.",,Anonymous,1373862037511.jpg,1tr/46cD3Gp1sq/zNoFpkA==,DK,,1509847776
147984294,148032578,2017-11-05 02:10:12,">>148031848
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/01/10-facts-about-atheists/
""Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Study found that 3.1% of American adults say they are atheists when asked about their religious identity, up from 1.6% in a similarly large survey in 2007.""
>Your article was bragging with 25%
25% MAY BE closeted atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509847812
147984294,148032587,2017-11-05 02:10:15,">>148032318
No, it's because the importance of science and math doesn't matter to most christfags so they start fucking each other and doing degenerate shit once they become atheists.",,Anonymous,Fundamental Particles and Interactions.jpg,KsLOQGT+xrFCLElx/jRB7g==,US,,1509847815
147984294,148032936,2017-11-05 02:14:28,">>148032587
>i dont fuck my sister because science and math
You watch Rick and Morty, don't you?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509848068
147984294,148032963,2017-11-05 02:14:50,">>148032446
I'm not baiting. Fundamentally I'm on your side.
But I just no longer believe in our cause. We have caused too much destruction and let in too many muslim shitskins.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509848090
147984294,148032976,2017-11-05 02:15:04,">>148031729
If you say ""which God?"" it implies that you're saying that monotheists believe different things when they say ""God,"" or that polytheism is possible. Both claims would be false. So if you agree that monotheists all believe in the same one God and that polytheism is ridiculous, why do you ask ""which God?"" It's a dishonest question",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509848104
147984294,148033272,2017-11-05 02:18:30,">>148032936
I don't fuck my sister because incest babies are mutated freaks. Does christianity tell you that?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509848310
147984294,148033420,2017-11-05 02:20:07,">>148032963
>We have caused too much destruction and let in too many muslim shitskins
What does that have to do with atheists (larping jews doen't count).
I'm atheist (agnostic because gnosticism seems a bit too extreme for my philosophical ass) and I hate degeneracy, but atheism is not the root cause of it.
The pic you posted in >>148032119 depicts people that are atheist because they think it's cool. They didn't think about it even remotely.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509848407
147984294,148033490,2017-11-05 02:20:51,">>148033272
Through the natural law, yes",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1509848451
147984294,148033683,2017-11-05 02:23:38,">>148033272
Again, Atheist. I don't fucking know. I googled it and it says in Leviticus that incest is bad. I don't really understand the point. If it doesn't have something to say about every issue, it can't have something to say about the others? Like what is your point? And how old are you? Genuinely curious to see if your brain has fully developed yet. I'm guessing not.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509848618
147984294,148033744,2017-11-05 02:24:21,">>148021174
If you think banning whites from managing their own money while letting Jews to take over the banking industry is justified by any means. You must neck yourself. Business is business.
Think about it:
>Christian jews forcefully convert white Pagans and atheists to Christianity
>Beta and weak Omega males are the first to convert
>Traitorous christcucks force their religion on other whites
>Then ban whites from doing business
>Making Jews (whom christfaggots call chosen people) rich.
Their dominance in banking and media businesses still continues to this day because of spiritual cucks like yourself. Your existence alone is a threat to the white race. You must be purged. The only good Christian is a dead Christian.",,Anonymous,you.png,otVPNgOXRHssONrkbtrq3g==,,,1509848661
147984294,148033798,2017-11-05 02:24:59,">>148033683
Old enough to fuck girls my age but will go to prison if they're a year younger.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509848699
147984294,148033874,2017-11-05 02:25:55,">>148033798
So that's a no. Give it a few years, maybe you'll come around.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509848755
147984294,148033890,2017-11-05 02:26:07,">>148026233
t. chink
How many dogs did you boil to death today? You have no right to tell white men to worship a Jew.",,Anonymous,its-time-to-beat-the-jew-yahweh-crap-out-of-you.jpg,Mo2uKcc3r++5TZEB3+1l1A==,,,1509848767
147984294,148033980,2017-11-05 02:27:10,">>148033420
>but atheism is not the root cause of it.
I don't believe you. Simple as that.
Atheism is what weakens a country, and lets a foreign ideology take root among its weakest population.
This is what happens in practice.
Without the tribe mentality and unity, you will be destroyed.
Here is historical evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champa#Islam
>Islam started making headway among the Cham after the 10th century. By the 17th century, the royal families of the Cham had converted to Islam.
700 years is all it took to devour an open and tolerant society which lost its Tribalism and preached tolerant, ""correct"" values.
700 years. If you are curious as to why, there is mathematical reasoning behind this. (in the numbers of women they can marry, and how that means there's 2-4 women less for the indigenous males)",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509848830
147984294,148034007,2017-11-05 02:27:22,">>147984294
>Rejection of god
>That cannot be degenerate",,Anonymous,5Kg7Y04[2].jpg,Z+OFu30uss8RR07yN6nIig==,US,,1509848842
147984294,148034144,2017-11-05 02:29:15,">>147984294
Rules on being an atheist online:
1. Be a cunt to others
2. Don't piss off Islam
3. ????????",,Anonymous,1502739635809.jpg,kcRhgUNJAZV4A4rx7XC0Jg==,PH,,1509848955
147984294,148034163,2017-11-05 02:29:27,>>147984294 Judaism came after Christianity by the way. They rejected Christ and made up their own religion dumb ass.,,Anonymous,A4E6CE9E-E36C-403B-9213-7E6B718E88C4.jpg,iqGlvhT7c0ZJKv4H2KFK0w==,US,,1509848967
147984294,148034180,2017-11-05 02:29:39,">>148032976
>why do you ask ""which God?"" It's a dishonest question
No it isn't because this is an Atheism thread and because the other anon made a vague comment.
I asked the anon for clarification because he stated ""It takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a believer in a god.""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509848979
147984294,148034202,2017-11-05 02:29:49,">>148011866
>>148013197
>>148013332
Excellent posts.
Christians are NOT our allies. If they are redpilled on the history of Christianity and still insist of loving a jew in the desert more than their own blood and soil, they are TRAITORS. No comprimises, no conformation, we cannot afford to lose OUR holy land by having trust in people that never have contributed anything to the well being of the european soul and soil.",,Anonymous,1503666837042.jpg,VN4WnMgiwdT0WQ6ToP0pVA==,,,1509848989
147984294,148034222,2017-11-05 02:30:01,">>148033980
Atheism isn't even an ideology
I believe a nation can exist without both religion and degeneracy. Easily, in fact. Who says it has to be tolerant?
I'm authoritarian centrist. Tolerance is not my game",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509849001
147984294,148034346,2017-11-05 02:31:33,">>148034007
Jesus
> jew
> no home
> no wife
> no children
> no fancy chariot
> got crucified
> hangs out with bunch of fishermen
> sows disorder in mighty Roman Empire
> enters voluntarily a hostile city
yeah, follow Jesus kids",,Anonymous,1503806070203.jpg,s8p7GoFm+LI5Aw0rGl5bQg==,,,1509849093
147984294,148034371,2017-11-05 02:31:55,">>148034222
>Atheism isn't even an ideology
My argument is it leave the country open to be taken by a Different ideology. Marxism, islam, etc.
And I gave historical evidence.
>I believe a nation can exist without both religion and degeneracy. Easily, in fact.
Which country?
Your thinking only works in theory, not in practice.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509849115
147984294,148034539,2017-11-05 02:33:49,">>148034371
Which? Out of the ones that exist right now, none. But this is not a discussion I want to have on the (((internet)))
Is Aarhus comfy? I'm moving there next year.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509849229
147984294,148034708,2017-11-05 02:35:35,">>148034539
>Out of the ones that exist right now, none.
Do you understand now why I say Atheism leads to insanity?
Religion might sound insane in theory, but it properly binds together a country, and in practice, it works.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509849335
147984294,148034710,2017-11-05 02:35:35,">>148032318
Christianity does not claim that God is ""real"". Very much to the contrary, He is the cause of the real world. It is a very basic error of the atheist to assume that only the real can exist.",,Anonymous,,,CH,,1509849335
147984294,148034838,2017-11-05 02:37:15,">>148034371
Take Japan for example, highly atheist combined with it's native culture, r̶e̶l̶i̶g̶i̶o̶n̶ spirituality called Shinto.
Upholding Christian traditions and values is what allowed Jews to take over our societies. Atheism and rejection of Abrahamic religions leads to homogeneity, peace, hormony and ultimately success of both the individual and the nation.
The reason Japan still remains homogeneous even after taking part in many wars is because it has never been infected with Abrahamic religion. We are being held back by faggy ""christian"" morals.",,Anonymous,1473309528685.png,/XiZwdBE02gSMMMdniVo8A==,,,1509849435
147984294,148034997,2017-11-05 02:39:04,>>148031407,,Anonymous,cucktheism.png,bDTK+fyOXSTpLN+Vf3GXhQ==,CA,,1509849544
147984294,148035049,2017-11-05 02:39:48,">>148034838
No. That just means Shinto is superior to Christianity.
Christianity is still better than a faithless country of 0 unity.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509849588
147984294,148035104,2017-11-05 02:40:29,">>148034708
>Do you understand now why I say Atheism leads to insanity?
I still think that it's just your opinion. I don't see how it leads to insanity. I don't understand why you think that a country without an emphasis on religion can't strongly hold ideologies.
Religion doesn't sound insane at all, it's a very efficient tool for control.
Look, it's obvious we started off on the wrong foot here.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509849629
147984294,148035255,2017-11-05 02:42:05,">>148034997
Richard Dawkins is racist though",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509849725
147984294,148035342,2017-11-05 02:43:23,">>148034838
Japan is not a country to look up to",,Anonymous,1508737107385.png,Q6Jtq0dHFN2F6orzES42vg==,,,1509849803
147984294,148035353,2017-11-05 02:43:30,">>147984294
Rejection of God is degenerate.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509849810
147984294,148035419,2017-11-05 02:44:28,">>148034710
It's not just a mistake made by Atheists but by Christians. We've all forgotten the true meaning of God, not just Atheists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509849868
147984294,148035434,2017-11-05 02:44:36,">>148035255
Dawkins is race realist.
He doesn't look down on Africans, he just knows they are different race with different traits and average attributes.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509849876
147984294,148035486,2017-11-05 02:45:13,">>148035342
>sand nigger",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509849913
147984294,148035604,2017-11-05 02:46:39,">>148035104
>I don't see how it leads to insanity.
Because we have too many stupid people.
If you don't give strict guidance to stupid people, they will do even more stupid things. That's how it ends up in practice.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509849999
147984294,148035725,2017-11-05 02:48:16,">>147984294
>Some of the most anti immigrant countries are highly Atheist.
Like Sweden, amirite?",,Anonymous,bfg2ndh786fz.png,KIC1IcyY+dNWJ1ZEZ6fM7Q==,RS,,1509850096
147984294,148035895,2017-11-05 02:50:41,">>148035725
>Religion in Sweden is diversified. Christianity was the religion of virtually all the Swedish population from the 12th to the early 20th century, but it has rapidly declined throughout the late 20th and early 21st century. In 2015, legally registered Christians comprised 69.9% of the total population",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509850241
147984294,148035942,2017-11-05 02:51:23,">>148031848
>Anyway, we can observe your movement is a trojan horse that leads to communism/islamification.
Post source please.
Liberalism is not communism.
Are all right wingers nazis?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509850283
147984294,148035986,2017-11-05 02:51:55,">>148035604
This would be a great discussion face to face, I know what you're talking about, but there are multiple solutions to that problem.",,Anonymous,,,LV,,1509850315
147984294,148035990,2017-11-05 02:51:58,">>148035486
shut up subhuman amerishart i am whiter than u",,Anonymous,1509328517431.png,DCPBbjYyQ94rDvs51UNmKQ==,,,1509850318
147984294,148036048,2017-11-05 02:52:39,">>148034838
Oh hey, it's another faggot who thinks that Christianity is some sort of Jewish plot to eradicate whites. 
Totally makes sense considering the fact that Jews hate Christianity more than anything and that the most atheistic societies are by far the most degenerate.",,Anonymous,1501972255512.jpg,ckN1fgyEMXAb14jsAHcA4A==,RS,,1509850359
147984294,148036235,2017-11-05 02:55:22,">>148035895
just becaus you are a registered christian does not mean you are actually a christian. most studies say sweden is 80-90 percent athiest",,Anonymous,1509779130154.png,CLRUtPksWcf34VBdtdEDQA==,,,1509850522
147984294,148036304,2017-11-05 02:56:14,">>148035049
>shinto superior to Christianity
Kek. Also why the fuck do people look up to Japan? It's ultra degenerate and the men there are fucking cucks who jerk off to anime way into their 30's, are incapable of talking to women, and never get married as a result.
The only thing they have going for them is that they have no refugees. But hey, Rwanda doesn't have any refugees either. Neither does Brazil. Or Papua New Guinea.",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1509850574
147984294,148036482,2017-11-05 02:58:37,">>148035895
>he doesn't know the actual absolute state of Swedish Christianity
Christians in Sweden are at like 10% and even they are part of some fucked up version of Christianity.",,Anonymous,1499713276582.jpg,jib68NVmyc4XWEzzLEY+KA==,RS,,1509850717
147984294,148036503,2017-11-05 02:58:56,">>148036304
>Also why the fuck do people look up to Japan?
Because they are smart, their scientists create a lot of good things, their country is peaceful and very little crime.
Their people know men and women are two different things, unlike us.
They don't import shitskins, unlike us.
Homogeneous tribe with unity.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509850736
147984294,148036634,2017-11-05 03:00:46,">>148035942
>Liberalism is not communism.
Your liberal party is in shambles and is about to steer into a (((progressive))) movement.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509850846
147984294,148036827,2017-11-05 03:03:42,">>147984294
>The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos
>Pro-White Atheists and Pagans strongly united 
You do understand that you'r retarded and why right?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1509851022
147984294,148036952,2017-11-05 03:05:29,">>148036503
homogeneous unity is not everything in life. i mean i think its important but if thats the only thing you care about then you live a very sad exinstence. there was a time when most parts of the world was ethnicly homogenous and the world was still shit",,Anonymous,,,,,1509851129
147984294,148036961,2017-11-05 03:05:32,">>147984294
>""The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos""
>Using Sophists as a fantastic example of Atheism
>the Sophists argued that morality is subjective
>the Sophists said hedonism is the ultimate good
>the Sophists argued using rhetoric instead of logic and reason
>the Sophists were straight up SJW's of their era
>""degenerate atheism is just a myth hurrrrr durrrrr""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509851132
147984294,148036971,2017-11-05 03:05:45,">>148036048
Jews don't hate Christians, Jews hate white race. If Jews really hated Christians/Christianity than they would not be helping negro and hispanic christians to fuck your white daughters by promoting race mixing you fool.
Calling Christianity a Jewish religion means exactly that. That Jesus was an ethnic Jew and the first Christians were all Jews. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are called Abrahamic religion for a reason. They are semitic, not European.
If Jesus was not a Jew, what was he then? A random white man born in israel 2,000 years ago? Were all of his followers white too or were they semites?",,Anonymous,1505722640108.png,suC1evjiag67mzhgFujK8A==,,,1509851145
147984294,148037111,2017-11-05 03:07:44,">>148036634
>Your liberal party is in shambles and is about to steer into a (((progressive))) movement.
The ""progressive"" movement is about to go belly up because they are losing popular support, the Democratic party is not unified.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509851264
147984294,148037129,2017-11-05 03:08:01,">>148036503
Their scientists will never be able to match what European science accomplished in the 19th and 20th centuries. 
Also in much of Europe, people very much recognise the differences between men and women and gender roles exist. Those same countries usually tend not to import shitskins.
As things stand, nowhere is perfect. But Japan still shouldn't be the model of a very good country, especially from a societal standpoint.",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1509851281
147984294,148037140,2017-11-05 03:08:06,">>148036048
The degeneracy you see now in the west is what true Christianity represents period.",,Anonymous,Catholics-do-not-discriminate_credit-Marquette-University-ArchivesBW-copy.jpg,x8W2Cd8Rs7Sxv8/Pf0sDhw==,,,1509851286
147984294,148037160,2017-11-05 03:08:25,">>148035895
Wow they sure are devout Christians! Check mate God!",,Anonymous,IMG-20171103-WA0002.jpg,ubkINSMEuUAbC4LWsN+4Ng==,US,,1509851305
147984294,148037171,2017-11-05 03:08:35,">>148037140
Our Pagan ancestors were able to sustain this desert cult because they were pretty rightwing and nationalist back then.",,Anonymous,1509502588413m.jpg,H6ZyuC6Q//sqsblxCTel5w==,,,1509851315
147984294,148037243,2017-11-05 03:09:37,">>148036971
some of jesus first disciples were not jews. you also have to understand that jesus was an angel before he took the form of a man.was he a jew then? no. He only took the form of a judaen jew in order to fufill the prophecy.",,Anonymous,,,,,1509851377
147984294,148037265,2017-11-05 03:10:01,">>148037160
Swedish churches are AIDING migrants hiding from authorities amid asylum crack down
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/715082/Swedish-churches-aiding-migrants-hiding-authorities-asylum",,Anonymous,1500974214427.jpg,rj0/DAdqZGs184OEBYKS5A==,,,1509851401
147984294,148037300,2017-11-05 03:10:29,">>148036952
>i mean i think its important but if thats the only thing you care about then you live a very sad exinstence
Our country right now is a sad existence. So that goes without saying.
>Thousands of incidents involving loosened wheel bolts on cars, large rocks or cinder blocks thrown from highway overpasses, and thin steel wires strung across bicycle paths meant to decapitate unsuspecting cyclists, is spreading a growing sense of horror among the Danes.
>In almost all cases, the perpetrators have turned out to be from MENAP countries (Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan).
>In the latest development of what has been characterized as “massive low-tech jihad“, gangs of migrants and refugees of Arab or North African descent are now shooting innocent people at random in the capitol city of Copenhagen, placing in danger the lives of both locals and visitors to this popular tourist city…
>Danish police now warns all men between 17 and 25 years of age to avoid public spaces in Copenhagen.
If we had unity as a tribe to resist the these foreign invaders, we could survive. But right now we live in fear.",,Anonymous,1485871905124.png,cKGF7A6cTvy/ynEGhYoxxQ==,DK,,1509851429
147984294,148037385,2017-11-05 03:11:59,">>148037160
no one said they were devout. probably about as devout as most US christians .",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509851519
147984294,148037390,2017-11-05 03:12:01,">>148037171
> Our Pagan ancestors were able to sustain this desert cult because they were pretty rightwing and nationalist back then
Blocks your path!",,Atheist For Life,ens_070113_pride2-500x576.jpg,a4ZqbEdplfd/XoFyBZRo/A==,,,1509851521
147984294,148037429,2017-11-05 03:12:45,">>148037111
>The ""progressive"" movement is about to go belly up because they are losing popular support, the Democratic party is not unified.
Perhaps because there is a strong Christian movement on the right who is resisting them.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509851565
147984294,148037452,2017-11-05 03:13:05,">>148037140
Even though serious religiousity statistically correlates with conservatism and atheism + casual religiousity statistically correlates with liberalism.",,Anonymous,1508096258336.gif,6ZenHenPejLOtfgoIUVugA==,US,,1509851585
147984294,148037492,2017-11-05 03:13:35,">>148037385
>not thruuuuu christian",,Atheist For Life,1498392841202.png,YkUGQOw+Eh6ywz8fRizwkA==,,,1509851615
147984294,148037769,2017-11-05 03:17:22,"From Christ Insanity General /CIG/
>>147383862
>>147142735
Devout Christians spend life savings on house for rapefugees.",,Atheist For Life,1504646151437.png,teKZDfIRSb6E2CrZOzekxg==,,,1509851842
147984294,148037786,2017-11-05 03:17:40,">>148037129
>Also in much of Europe, people very much recognise the differences between men and women and gender roles exist.
Not in our country.
Perhaps you mean eastern Europe which, by the way, cannot match Japan, nor Western Europe in scientific contributions.
Japan isn't perfect, because humans aren't perfect. But they are ahead of Europe as a whole.
Western Europe is lost, because our new ""religion"" is preaching men and women are equal, and preaching every race is equal, and preaching all sorts of other things in nature is equal.
Despite reality showing the opposite.",,Anonymous,1505647006404.png,w5S5QF+LYBmUaZaekv9CZg==,DK,,1509851860
147984294,148037847,2017-11-05 03:18:52,">>148037265
If they say they are Christian and disregard everything in the Bible then it's not really Christianity at fault dum dum. Pic related, it's their official Twitter page.",,Anonymous,ZVmGu49BroZ--xoj4E6ejUlQil-y6U7r9BLoRgMEvE4.png,/Ok06b11ith+XDk1bFK2WA==,US,,1509851932
147984294,148038204,2017-11-05 03:24:31,">>148037300
sounds like hell :( is your country that cucked? arent people angry about this. why dont they do anything to stop it?",,Anonymous,,,,,1509852271
147984294,148038290,2017-11-05 03:25:59,">>148037429
>Perhaps because there is a strong Christian movement on the right who is resisting them.
No the ""Progressive"" movement is repulsive, even godless atheists find it repulsive because of the Muslim apologists.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509852359
147984294,148038334,2017-11-05 03:26:32,,,Atheist For Life,1508729406121.png,FP5U1BKHnEjIrQz1sBLYWw==,,,1509852392
147984294,148038352,2017-11-05 03:26:42,">>147984294
Any Atheist that wastes what little time they have on earth arguing about religion is a fool.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509852402
147984294,148038414,2017-11-05 03:27:39,">>148006934
Beautiful",,Anonymous,received_10213282879120654.jpg,EyDRvXiQB9tEw+ZLkZpj7A==,,,1509852459
147984294,148038537,2017-11-05 03:29:10,>>148038334,,Anonymous,a863b015b6c400eed79b86028b936ab81c8367ce3d4c78bf84c08b0975ae6d2b.png,gnBt8HcXKOsL1/va7+mAKQ==,,,1509852550
147984294,148038710,2017-11-05 03:31:47,"ITT
>""Christianity is to blame for liberalism hurr durr""
>All statistics point in the exact opposite direction
>All state owned establishments are pushing for liberalism and atheism
>being this stupid",,Anonymous,Screenshot_2017-11-05-01-24-03.jpg,+B4ueRGFJipis9qCRh5F7A==,US,,1509852707
147984294,148038714,2017-11-05 03:31:48,">>148038290
Will you at least admit your country would fall to the regressive left if the Christian movement didn't help you thwart them?",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509852708
147984294,148038755,2017-11-05 03:32:34,">>147984294
>What is Atheism?
Literally just a conglomeration of militant fags who pretend strawmanning ideas that they don't understand is the same thing as """"""logic"""""".
For example, they'll say ""Hurr, bearded man in the sky can't be real, our win xD"" whenever that's not even close to what God is and is just a visual metaphor if anything.
Atheism is purposeful ignorance mixed with arrogance.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509852754
147984294,148038870,2017-11-05 03:34:23,>i wonder if monkeys are atheists?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509852863
147984294,148038882,2017-11-05 03:34:42,">>148038755
just post evidence of God and you win, easy as that.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1509852882
147984294,148038884,2017-11-05 03:34:43,">>148038714
Yes. I consider them the lesser evil.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509852883
147984294,148038931,2017-11-05 03:35:20,">>148038414
Add this to your collection!",,Atheist For Life,1502394393878.jpg,UXGnYob40ZD6LPovt1btrg==,,,1509852920
147984294,148038999,2017-11-05 03:36:26,">>148038204
>why dont they do anything to stop it?
We got tricked into signing the Human Rights convention.
So now we can't deport shitskins back to countries who reject them. (These countries want to islamify Europe, so of your they want islamists to remain in Europe)
Our globalist political parties don't wish to leave the (((human rights convention))).
(China dodged a huge bullet there by not signing up to that shit)
So now we can't deport them.
But we can't exterminate them either. That would also violate human rights.",,Anonymous,1499403381050.jpg,OeoCtjl1VymSFT/cRJsQFA==,DK,,1509852986
147984294,148039012,2017-11-05 03:36:39,">>148038414
+1",,Atheist For Life,1508728589725.jpg,E+5SnSs922AG7C8LvKAwOA==,,,1509852999
147984294,148039177,2017-11-05 03:39:14,">>147984294
>That cannot be degenerate.
of course it can
much has been said that many of the illnesses mankind suffers comes from our distance to god. 
the atheists collaborate with the leftists as well which shows where they come from.
no thanks",,Anonymous,,,,,1509853154
147984294,148039297,2017-11-05 03:41:06,">>148038882
What kind of evidence do you need? You won't accept any evidence because your definition of God is cartoonish and retarded.
The super-ordinate principal to the universe that caused it's creation, and that is a higher consciousness beyond human comprehension."" is pretty much totally self evident, but you assholes are just totally hung up on the semantics, IE, you refuse to just call it fucking God just because you want to feel the edge and continue to demand evidence of some bearded faggot in the sky.
You don't fucking understand what religious people are talking about on any level.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509853266
147984294,148039318,2017-11-05 03:41:24,">>148038999
But France is not a majority atheist country. Most of the niggers that immigrate France are devout Christians and christcucks have no problem with them even though the fact that they are niggers, that they rape and murder and help Jews in furthering their agenda by race mixing. Brothers in christ they say.",,Anonymous,quote-we-shall-not-rest-until-we-have-rooted-out-christianity-heinrich-himml.jpg,Ac6VLmfNJ2sf0aqdvzBfrQ==,,,1509853284
147984294,148039523,2017-11-05 03:44:37,">>148039318
>Most of the niggers that immigrate France are devout Christians
North Africa have been subjugated by islam.
I would support your side if you had something superior to replace Christianity with.
Social-nationalism would be fine with me, for example.
Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of them anymore.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509853477
147984294,148039877,2017-11-05 03:49:37,Where in the world are paganism & witchcraft *not* animously celebrated/encouraged by leftist societies?,,Anonymous,,,AU,,1509853777
147984294,148040003,2017-11-05 03:51:19,">>148039523
Thanks for understanding the situation, I think Christianity should be replaced by Native European religion Paganism. Asatru is the right way moving forward. Check out Stephen Mcnallen and Thulean Perspective for more info.",,Anonymous,1498597960747.jpg,2S1jwNba/XEmgPCK7yiWPA==,,,1509853879
147984294,148040068,2017-11-05 03:52:24,">>148039318
THE THIRD REICH AND CHRISTIANITY:
""We will have to deal with Christianity in a tougher way than hitherto. We must settle accounts with this Christianity, this greatest of plagues that could have happened to us in our history, which has weakened us in every conflict. If our generation does not do it, then I believe it would drag on for a long time. We must overcome it within ourselves.""
-- Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler; Speech to top leaders of the SS, June 9, 1942 Berlin
“National Socialist and Christian conceptions are incompatible. The Christian churches are build upon men’s ignorance; by contrast [National Socialism] rests upon scientific foundations. When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naïve Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.”
–Martin Bormann
Many people due to misinformation, mistakenly believe that Nazi Germany was friendly to Christianity. This is not true by any stretch of the imagination.
Historians conclude that Hitler ultimately intended the destruction of Christianity in Germany or at least its distortion or subjugation to a Nazi outlook.
For those who are utterly confused, this ebook proves beyond any doubt that not only were the Nazis anti-Christian, but the Third Reich Leaders were actively working to destroy Christianity, both the Catholic and Protestant Churches.
https://archive.org/details/thirdreichandchristianity",,Anonymous,d2cac220056418099b77e8817a6c8eee619eeae7342f2320d98fbb73642ecf9d.jpg,Tj0ipXyr7bxmWfKEmbuQQQ==,,,1509853944
147984294,148040515,2017-11-05 03:58:35,">>148038931
That's my template minus the flag",,Anonymous,received_10212919729162132.jpg,tKSRSovWHGGQuyW4mhBIWQ==,,,1509854315
147984294,148040582,2017-11-05 03:59:25,">>148037140
>this level of delusion",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1509854365
147984294,148040648,2017-11-05 04:00:23,">>148039318
>>148039523
>>148040003
>Retard IQ level niggers being devout ANYTHING
Most of these niggers just view it as another form of magical spell casting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1509854423
147984294,148040707,2017-11-05 04:01:24,">>148039297
How come Christcucks can't create a mini God in a test tube to prove God actually exists.",,Anonymous,1498483005615.jpg,CPrtq3GRntL3NYVuNjas5Q==,US,,1509854484
147984294,148040786,2017-11-05 04:02:31,">>148040003
In my opinion, your picture describes Christianity as the only hope to fight back islam.
If Christianity falls in Africa, the entire continent becomes islamic.
>I think Christianity should be replaced by Native European religion Paganism
But this doesn't' have any huge movement. It's not realistic, it's not pragmatic. It's high difficulty.
Sometimes I think the Swedes are actually corrupting Christianity because they want to get rid of that shit.
But then I see they suck islam's cock of the other hand.
So I can't help but conclude the swedish way is the wrong way.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1509854551
147984294,148041505,2017-11-05 04:14:41,muh kike on a stick,,Anonymous,1508942520881.jpg,pU98PlxfK/CPnc+01ZMMnw==,PL,,1509855281
147984294,148043087,2017-11-05 04:38:33,>>147984294,,Anonymous,1499832283347.jpg,bLECXCbtDcOfgNpo9QpcrA==,,,1509856713
149694711,149694711,2017-11-16 12:54:20,,Atheism General /AG/,Anonymous,Godly niglets vs Heretic white baby.png,VUdG//KKKRliWqw9EE+KgA==,,,1510836860
149694711,149694952,2017-11-16 12:56:24,">>149694711
This thread is garbage.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1510836984
149694711,149695568,2017-11-16 13:01:59,">>149694952
I agree",,Anonymous,Christ Faggot.jpg,uFwp/f306xxkyW3G4ustfg==,,,1510837319
149694711,149697529,2017-11-16 13:19:22,">>149694711
Photo on the left, those are not their kids. Adopted?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1510838362
149694711,149697703,2017-11-16 13:20:59,,,Anonymous,christain board.jpg,Zm23HUJns2dIJeExV3tXmg==,IE,,1510838459
149694711,149697775,2017-11-16 13:21:37,">>149694711
Why is she breastfeeding a toddler?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1510838497
149694711,149697820,2017-11-16 13:21:56,">>149697529
American christians are finding like minded peers in Africa.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1510838516
149694711,149697881,2017-11-16 13:22:24,">>149697775
Helps you keep the weight down. Breastfeeding burns a lot of calories.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1510838544
149694711,149697976,2017-11-16 13:23:12,">>149697775
because ideally, children should be given breast milk at least until 2 yrs old (but not exclusively after 6-9 months) .",,Anonymous,,,,,1510838592
152360476,152360476,2017-12-07 10:23:02,"Religion is an extension and a consequence of character, the absence religion is the absence of character. Atheism is irrational and petulant, no man can have the knowledge that God or Gods do not exist. Atheism is inherently evil. I don't care if you worship a cum guzzling viking god or a literal KIKE ON A STICK, use this thread to unite against the trilby wearing degenerated apostates on this board.",AAG - Anti Atheism General - Anti Apostates Edition,Anonymous,Christ_89c91d_6324524.jpg,E3Wf3CptAyrB3HGAJA/j9Q==,US,,1512642182
152360476,152360568,2017-12-07 10:24:09,,,Anonymous,IMG_7971.gif,TvIZoFrjSvdFgChugoInqQ==,US,,1512642249
152360476,152360604,2017-12-07 10:24:36,">>152360476
Bump",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1512642276
152360476,152361297,2017-12-07 10:33:25,">>152360568
>t. heretic",,Anonymous,,,US,,1512642805
154800505,154800505,2017-12-28 20:02:41,Atheism is the only theological belief system that isn't cucked.,Atheism General,Anonymous,1500970193909.png,KirxV9d4GR7ZnpMBtKQLag==,CA,,1514491361
154800505,154801134,2017-12-28 20:09:45,>leaf,,Anonymous,image.jpg,6XJqPn5CVUK42M8cjjleGg==,CA,,1514491785
156476120,156476120,2018-01-12 15:43:21,">They're people on /pol/ that believe in a magical sky daddy
>People believe that the world is 6,000 years old
>People believe a spiritual backbone will save them from Religious brown people",Atheism General,Anonymous,b5d.png,Vh3KgdBhJxMQnFesKh1omw==,,,1515771801
156476120,156476452,2018-01-12 15:46:43,">>156476120
Bumping with real shit",,Anonymous,carl-sagan-1024x576.jpg,sCN0a2w76O3BNK6Q4WGSKQ==,,,1515772003
173161221,173161221,2018-05-27 19:44:12,"Atheism is part our the western tradition dating back to ancient Greece. Without restrictive morals holding back our movement we could commit acts of ""compassion"" with machine like precision without having to justify thing morally",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,b4+y8exK2NmifQzsIA4SHQ==,US,,1527450252
173161221,173161544,2018-05-27 19:47:20,">>173161221
>the muslim's a truck driver
TRUCK OF PEACE INCOMING! GET THE CHILDREN TO SAFETY! RUN!!!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527450440
173275398,173275398,2018-05-28 18:57:07,"Politics come 1st, then you can have your religion hobby after everything is taken care of and secured",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,b4+y8exK2NmifQzsIA4SHQ==,US,,1527533827
173275398,173277125,2018-05-28 19:12:47,,,Anonymous,teapot1.jpg,j1TPeCHPd/SGWp8nObRt5g==,US,,1527534767
173282514,173282514,2018-05-28 20:04:01,"Niggers like religion, Low IQ
Chinks not religious, High IQ
Nordic Least religious. Master Race",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,vWSVIEBooaPvug1S5psOig==,US,,1527537841
173282514,173283273,2018-05-28 20:11:26,societies who adopted christian-judeo morales. least corrupt and successful. nordic countries that adopt socialist policies that have the US paying defence budget. xd,,Anonymous,,,GB,,1527538286
173282514,173283488,2018-05-28 20:13:45,">>173282514
>>173283273
That is why GOD hates religion
https://streamable.com/m2s3b",,Anonymous,Cheatsheet.jpg,odsAn7Wu4xCIPgyaA2Iq1w==,US,,1527538425
173282514,173283693,2018-05-28 20:15:41,">>173282514
Sweden must be such a paradise",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1527538541
173282514,173284125,2018-05-28 20:19:54,Reminder that China's average IQ was stated as 105 a decade ago but it now being stated as 100.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1527538794
173282514,173284261,2018-05-28 20:21:32,">>173282514
>citing Lynn
Fuck off retard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527538892
173282514,173284445,2018-05-28 20:23:25,bump,,Anonymous,,,DE,,1527539005
173282514,173284714,2018-05-28 20:26:01,">>173282514
Sweden is also on the verge of collapse",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539161
173282514,173284762,2018-05-28 20:26:32,>>173283488,,Anonymous,hfghfghfgh.jpg,Gb5PPr+YgIcZJ5I3qt7vaA==,US,,1527539192
173282514,173284839,2018-05-28 20:27:18,">>173284261
niggers here still regularly post his fraudulent, debunked work
not saying that niggers aren't stupid btw, there have been actual IQ studies based only in America that prove that. There has still yet to be a reliable international study though.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539238
173282514,173284853,2018-05-28 20:27:24,">>173282514
>atheism general
>posting graphics that show no correlation between IQ and religion",,Anonymous,Brainlet_Public_Use.jpg,g1eZtCQF3nLTj2ihcrCKcg==,,,1527539244
173282514,173284868,2018-05-28 20:27:35,">>173282514
Why are atheist so obsessed with religion? For something y’all don’t believe in you guys spend more time thinking about it. Religious people don’t even think about you yet you guys spent majority of your day thinking about them. SAD.",,Anonymous,FDE609A3-2BDF-4A06-BE3C-D922B415CBDD.png,5cCazOXPsRAwtnuIjRTCJw==,US,,1527539255
173282514,173285002,2018-05-28 20:28:49,">>173282514
>Serbia
>No data
Literally just google religion in Serbia
>About 1.1% of Serbian population is atheist.
I smell sum bullshit",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1527539329
173282514,173285259,2018-05-28 20:31:47,">>173284868
Why was Hitler so obsessed with communists and Jews?
he should have just minded his own business and let them be",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539507
173282514,173285440,2018-05-28 20:33:30,">>173285259
>he should have just minded his own business and let them be
Well he might have lived longer if he did. LOL",,Anonymous,74F6402C-2CDC-4529-A04B-3AAB6E1A304F.jpg,kTxcs4KJKQ7UzddomThC/g==,US,,1527539610
173282514,173285463,2018-05-28 20:33:47,"Religion is the only way to teach morality to stupid people. It's the only way to get them to act like decent human beings without putting a gun to their heads 24 hours a day. The intelligent do not need it as they can arrive at the right moral conclusion through reason and logic, but it is necessary to pacify the dregs and make them productive.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539627
173282514,173285474,2018-05-28 20:33:52,y'all know that iq doesn't mean anything right? i mean adam ruins everything did a segment on it and all,,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539632
173282514,173285553,2018-05-28 20:34:50,">>173285002
Also
>Greece set as 10-20%
>93% of Greeks identify as some form of Christian, 90% being Orthodox. 2% are Muslim meaning literally at MAX ~5% of Greeks are irreligious
>USA posted as below 10%
>Most studies claim that the number of irreligious persons in the United States is between 14% and 20%
This map is utter bullshit",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1527539690
173282514,173285686,2018-05-28 20:36:10,">>173282514
You fedoras are almost reaching the real redpill about religion. The people shilling it know it's not real, they're just making shit up to keep you fucking idiots from killing each other and raping each other to death.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539770
173282514,173285861,2018-05-28 20:38:08,">>173282514
>master race
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_Netherlands
Yeah ok bub",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539888
173282514,173285926,2018-05-28 20:38:48,">>173282514
>muh IQ
IQ is an irrelevent jewish invention that ignores many problem solving and artistic skills. 
I honestly can't name one modern chinese invention. Or japanese for that matter. But they are so damn smart? Yeah, sure. Maybe book smart, but they're probably not the ones writing the books, creating the nucleus of the idea...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527539928
173282514,173286162,2018-05-28 20:41:02,">>173282514
Mediterranean BTFO's ur gay theory, anon. Especially Italy, highest European IQ, one of the lowest percentages of irreligious",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527540062
173282514,173286276,2018-05-28 20:42:19,">>173285553
Boy this map is fucked i can keep going on
>Bulgaria at max 10% irreligious, map says 20-30%
>Japan at max 53% irreligious, map claims 60-70%
>Germany at max 36% irreligious, map claims 40-50%
I can keep going but i believe i've proven my point",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1527540139
173282514,173286452,2018-05-28 20:44:12,Nice map of where niggers are. Fuck of ShekelBerg.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1527540252
173282514,173286461,2018-05-28 20:44:17,">>173282514
Dude Armenia is literally 99.9 percent Christian so is Serbia I smell bullshit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527540257
173282514,173286613,2018-05-28 20:45:46,">>173285926
Don't compare the Nips to the chinks. They invented VHS and pioneered 3D printing. Chinks are all mutts, either from Mongols or South East Asians.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527540346
173282514,173286826,2018-05-28 20:47:45,">>173282514
chink IQ is a myth.",,Anonymous,1503847712630.png,swBSfYN3J8/vn218XFhFWg==,US,,1527540465
173282514,173287849,2018-05-28 20:58:48,">>173286613
ok sorry my mistake Nips are honorary master race",,Anonymous,,,US,,1527541128
173282514,173290222,2018-05-28 21:24:03,">>173286613
this. chinks are a race of mutt rape babies. Japanese are the only pure Asian race. The rest are savages.",,Anonymous,1525803586032.png,Dqca7Fgj49k7s9cpb3qqxQ==,US,,1527542643
173282514,173292918,2018-05-28 21:51:54,">>173282514
BIG ITALIAN IQ",,Anonymous,,,,,1527544314
173282514,173294481,2018-05-28 22:08:55,">>173282514
Atheism is pure cuckery.
All those high iq countries were heavily CHRISTIAN until 2 decades ago.
Europe created, reformed and was the pinnacle of Christianity 
Atheists are:
Immoral
Degenerates
Liberal
Have no family values
Don't reproduce
Have no cultural ties to their history and ancestry
Atheists shit on Christianity left and right but never speak against Muslims or Jews
Atheists are ultimately the enemy of European racial and cultural conservationism.",,Anonymous,armoiries saint sépulcre.jpg,WeuWb4SStOk7t0VZ8pxb6w==,,,1527545335
173282514,173295912,2018-05-28 22:24:50,">>173294481
Europe created Atheism 
Atheist are
> immoral 
not true, many atheist are good upstanding pillars of the community 
>Degenerates 
maybe, maybe not
>Liberal
we are all fascist
>don't reproduce
we have families
>history
we have many ties to history and our blood
>islam
We hate Islam even more than christcucks",,Anonymous,download.jpg,3c5QbuBhJD/iJPfriAXwVA==,US,,1527546290
173282514,173298820,2018-05-28 22:59:13,">>173282514
This map and the argument you're using aren't very convincing.
There are very smart (130 IQ+) members of virtually every religion, and atheists. 
Any one of them could be right or closer to correct, how many and which people they've happened to have persuaded over the course of history doesn't mean much when judging the ideologies.",,Anonymous,1360127725642.jpg,pCFsM3dqxNI4Ml1+hTRxNA==,US,,1527548353
174139361,174139361,2018-06-05 12:10:36,"Muh IQ
Muh Science",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,vWSVIEBooaPvug1S5psOig==,US,,1528200636
174139361,174139649,2018-06-05 12:13:41,">>174139361
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/atheist/#social-and-political-views
Take a look at this shit.
Atheism is white, atheism votes for Hillary, atheism is very pro-faggot, atheism is morally relativistic. 
Atheism as it is, is a fucking disease. I'm not talking about philosophers and the very intelligent. I'm talking about white feminists, refugees welcome, science cultists, pickle rick and #ImWithHer level people. 
Thats the real face of Atheism.",,Anonymous,,,,,1528200821
174139361,174139756,2018-06-05 12:14:58,">>174139361
Romans 1, nibba
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1528200898
177960074,177960074,2018-07-08 10:36:41,"/pol/ is now an Atheist board, soon we will have our own ""atheism chan"" girl mascot, she will have larger boobs and ass.",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1528177258991.jpg,PAUY19ywblaNS3+UawZEfg==,US,,1531046201
177960074,177960339,2018-07-08 10:40:11,">implying the atheist mascot would be a ""she""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531046411
177960074,177960389,2018-07-08 10:40:39,">Atheisim = Gay
Move along newfags",,Anonymous,,,,,1531046439
177960074,177960672,2018-07-08 10:44:22,">>177960074
>open borders propaganda
Their home countries should give a shit about them, not us halfway across the world. Nice try goy",,Anonymous,fuckwhateverpullitaround.png,9oTka+unPPKNrsGqgn/i1A==,US,,1531046662
177960074,177960862,2018-07-08 10:46:39,">>177960074
Neither life matters, OP, neither does.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531046799
177960074,177961344,2018-07-08 10:52:31,">>177960862
what if the fetus is white though?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531047151
177960074,177961555,2018-07-08 10:55:24,">>177960074
both of those lives dont matter and need to be removed if they are unwanted
t.atheist",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1531047324
177960074,177961614,2018-07-08 10:56:09,">>177960074
FUCK OFF, we're a Christian board and we are against abortion.",,Anonymous,Jesus_is_real.png,S9XGZdfYi94P0BEs442NtA==,SE,,1531047369
177960074,177961643,2018-07-08 10:56:30,">>177960074
This is now a Christian general. /christ/",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1531047390
177960074,177961685,2018-07-08 10:57:09,">>177961614
even when it comes to undesireables?",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1531047429
177960074,177961729,2018-07-08 10:57:52,">>177960074
I only care if it's white",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531047472
177960074,177961840,2018-07-08 10:59:14,">>177960074
>Either kill your kids before they're born or let in 3rd world shitskins that'll vote democrat
no thanks",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531047554
177960074,177961912,2018-07-08 11:00:15,">>177960074
Not so,
The one on the left is possibly human. The one on the right is subhuman",,Sage,,,,,1531047615
177960074,177961949,2018-07-08 11:00:42,"The pizza pedos are worse then you could imagine. If the truth came out, even shitlibs and sjws would be joining up to kill politicans in the streets.
They are on a hellraiser toture porn level of fucked up. Weiners laptop had pics and vids. Several of the nypd cops who investigated , harderend cops who deal with gore and murder on the normal were brought to tears and nausious vomiting, had to be restrained from immedatly trying to going to plot and kill the suspects.
>imprgenating underage girls and killing them upon birth
>raping the newborns and eating them
>eating children brains
>children and babies totured and killed out of Bordem
>eating kids and babies alive
>babies hung from hooks and raped
>babies and children hung from hooks by the dozens, like a reverse vald tepes
>groups of children raped, then killed at once in rooms specially designed to drain the blood
>bodies eaten, dissolved in acid, burned and thrown into an pit
>several keep trophies, penises, fingers, bones
>children living in cages
>children dismemberd and used as quadriplegic sex toys, killed when they come of age
>children fed other children and babies
>gang rape of babies, passed around like a bong
>many divisions of cops, cps, and foster homes designed to bring kids
>hospitals lie about babies in incubation dying, and bring them pedos
>most live kids action kids shows exist only to ""hire"", advertise, and move kids
>all the while, the suspects act completely unphased and nonplussed
https://youtu.be/R0S7CGLUp44
>if only you knew
>some motivation after that
https://youtu.be/-UtILlQOH8Y
Pizza related MUSIC VIDEO
Thank me later
Also the answer to the mess
https://youtu.be/Hec4CVdpqRA
God Speed in defeating these Satanists
Daily reminder NO real MEN are atheists",,Anonymous,1531055253513.jpg,qWmeBQOxVU6k1GHP6K2NCA==,US,,1531047642
177960074,177962078,2018-07-08 11:02:11,,,Anonymous,1531060601975s.jpg,b/Eh54x4YE6AN3VJzKvkjg==,,,1531047731
177960074,177962096,2018-07-08 11:02:22,">>177961643
Give up now, Us Atheists cannot be stopped",,Anonymous,atheist chan.jpg,MCKFvVP/YuxRKhYQb/yKnQ==,US,,1531047742
177960074,177962218,2018-07-08 11:03:51,">>177962096
Hell is eternal.
There is still time for salvation.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1531047831
177960074,177962281,2018-07-08 11:04:32,">>177960074
womp womp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531047872
177960074,177962353,2018-07-08 11:05:19,">>177962218
christcucks only belive in the storm god yahweh because they are afraid of a nonexistant shithole",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1531047919
177960074,177962449,2018-07-08 11:06:31,">>177960074
>21 million square miles of land mass to chose from if you're counting Europe and Asia.
>Gotta skip right on by Africa, though I can't blame them
>cross deadly ocean because the ONLY place they could possibly ""survive"" is North America",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1531047991
177960074,177962453,2018-07-08 11:06:34,,,Anonymous,1530835453454.jpg,MnKHOX+Zg/OY3yJGVNRN+A==,,,1531047994
177960074,177962458,2018-07-08 11:06:38,">>177960074
There'a already an (((atheist))) board, there's plenty of them over on plebbit. I suggest you go back there.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1531047998
177960074,177962503,2018-07-08 11:07:09,">>177962353
I shall pray for your soul.",,Anonymous,1487595336066.png,YALukeGKgGRCNzlVMK8igA==,FI,,1531048029
177960074,177962574,2018-07-08 11:07:45,">>177962503
soul doesnt exist dummy",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1531048065
177960074,177962590,2018-07-08 11:07:56,">>177960074
fuck borders n shieets because muh kids.jpeg",,Anonymous,,,TW,,1531048076
177960074,177962853,2018-07-08 11:10:50,">>177962458
We atheists immigrated and settled this site far before you Christ Fags ever showed up. This is our home.",,Anonymous,atheist.jpg,vWSVIEBooaPvug1S5psOig==,US,,1531048250
177960074,177963381,2018-07-08 11:15:43,">>177960074
Both lives matter. There is literally nothing wrong with a refugee seeking refuge and there is literally nothing wrong with rejecting their entry. Niggas finna what niggas finna scooby dooby doo to survive desu senpai",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1531048543
177960074,177963576,2018-07-08 11:17:57,">>177960074
>soon we will have our own ""atheism chan"" girl mascot
>soon
Fucking draw her already, faggot!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531048677
177960074,177963935,2018-07-08 11:21:53,">>177960074
I'm not religious I'm confident that neither of those lives matter",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531048913
177960074,177964066,2018-07-08 11:23:10,">>177960074
Yeah, aborting WHITE babies is bad.
Niggers, spics, kikes, mudslimes, poos, and let's throw in chinks...they can be killed all day. They're all going to He'll, anyway. 
Heaven is reserved for whites...and unfortunately 144,000 jews, but that's all, thankfully.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531048990
177960074,177964095,2018-07-08 11:23:30,">>177960074
If the one on the left is white then yes they matter more. Why do they assume my concerns are religious? I’m not even religious. You don’t have to be religious to realize that abortion is murdering babies",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531049010
177960074,177964207,2018-07-08 11:24:51,">>177960074
Both lives matter it's just that one isn't the concern of my countrymen so they have to go back.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1531049091
177960074,177964274,2018-07-08 11:25:37,">>177960074
The reverse is also true.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1531049137
177960074,177964434,2018-07-08 11:27:33,">>177960074
>If I stop a murder I must allow other people to commit crimes because they're as human as the person I tried to save.
Good logic right there.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1531049253
177960074,177964761,2018-07-08 11:31:05,">>177960074
you are right. open israels borders now! refugees welcome!",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1531049465
177960074,177964995,2018-07-08 11:33:55,atheism is the ideology of cuckery and degeneracy,,Anonymous,1522206629986.jpg,UjVUSl89eyzIcdYHyzerwQ==,ID,,1531049635
177960074,177965361,2018-07-08 11:38:11,">>177960389
>mohammad
I don't need a culture that advocates little boy rapes and turning men to women to tell me what's gay.
Now go cover up your women's curves with a large, loose blanket like the totally straight, godfearing brown man you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531049891
177960074,177965663,2018-07-08 11:41:34,">>177960074
neither of them matter. socially liberal ethnonationalism ftw.",,Anonymous,,,CZ,,1531050094
177983375,177983375,2018-07-08 14:42:43,"Christ-Cucks, Fagans, Jews, Islamists 
NOT ALLOWED!!!! Stay out",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,dgdfgdfg.jpg,bzLE30GJXmHNEVZ/0hXH0Q==,US,,1531060963
177983375,177983609,2018-07-08 14:44:57,"Why do people who de-convert from Christianity feel the need to take on other mythologies (paganism). I know Paganism is of our people but its still made up. In my opinion, the White race needs a religion based on philosophy and truth not ancient legends from millennia ago.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531061097
177983375,177983931,2018-07-08 14:47:56,"This is an anti-communist board.
You get out.",,Anonymous,1528220841619m.jpg,i/L8xxQ+xvDUzkAdSrZMIQ==,SI,,1531061276
177983375,177984131,2018-07-08 14:49:54,,,Anonymous,1528208135561.jpg,KNi2wr2dS8q1p5TTFjJIJg==,SI,,1531061394
177983375,177984328,2018-07-08 14:51:56,>>177984131,,Anonymous,atheist hate gays.jpg,5VPqiKinSPnRjkSVAAwKJg==,US,,1531061516
177983375,177984518,2018-07-08 14:53:47,">>177984328
Learn how to photoshop without leaving traces",,Anonymous,1530836263716.png,9id3I3HZRMj/7XBHmk4hZQ==,SI,,1531061627
177983375,177985055,2018-07-08 14:59:29,">>177983375
Retards, all of you.",,Anonymous,Chris Langan BTFO atheism.png,LBFZWbWZzxng2OaYszGmow==,CH,,1531061969
177983375,177985457,2018-07-08 15:03:07,">>177983375
I'm sorry, but Dr William Pierce wasn't an atheist you cunt",,Anonymous,,,,,1531062187
177983375,177986029,2018-07-08 15:08:43,">If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14
>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 
John 14:6
Repent of your sins and join us. /pol/ is a Christian board.",,Anonymous,Jesus_saviorforall.jpg,9/HaVWSaMkq+bd/CZ8JWbQ==,US,,1531062523
178021908,178021908,2018-07-08 21:03:57,"We have our girl now,
Atheist-Chan!!!!! welcome",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,AtheistChan3.jpg,tDd/Ds3uy1ef90HNqBqKaQ==,US,,1531083837
178021908,178022211,2018-07-08 21:07:13,You have to be 18 to use this website.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1531084033
178021908,178022265,2018-07-08 21:07:43,">>178021908
Atheism is useless
We need our own pagan mascot",,Anonymous,,,,,1531084063
178021908,178022490,2018-07-08 21:10:13,">>178021908
Get out",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531084213
178021908,178024303,2018-07-08 21:31:57,">>178021908
Get the fuck out. This is a Christian board of peace.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531085517
178021908,178024363,2018-07-08 21:32:38,">>178021908
Grow up and get a job commie faggot",,Anonymous,,,,,1531085558
178021908,178024439,2018-07-08 21:33:19,OP is a faggot,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1531085599
178021908,178024462,2018-07-08 21:33:32,">>178021908
Literally atheism is a fucking religion.",,The Jeffersonian,,,US,,1531085612
178021908,178025165,2018-07-08 21:41:00,">>178022265
Checkmate, atheist.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1531086060
178021908,178025725,2018-07-08 21:46:37,">>178021908
I want to see a fight between Atheist-Chan and Christ-Chan.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531086397
178021908,178025889,2018-07-08 21:48:11,">>178025725
ok, but its going to be sparing, nothing nasty",,Anonymous,hfghfghf.jpg,4i4kM2C1aEGqmCTEBe89Mg==,US,,1531086491
178021908,178026348,2018-07-08 21:53:10,"You do know.... that Christ is a major player in the intergalactic hegemony, right?
Bible is ancient aliens x 1million
Christ literally created potential time reality from the void.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531086790
178021908,178026505,2018-07-08 21:54:53,">>178021908
You are gay.",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1531086893
178021908,178027072,2018-07-08 22:00:19,">>178021908
Atheism hasn't really contributed to humanity.
It destroys the good aspects of Christianity while embracing the bad ones.
Atheism is spiritual liberalism.",,Anonymous,dawkinsopener.jpg,pZdS9vIBWOdWF7yqZ8U3MQ==,,,1531087219
178021908,178027314,2018-07-08 22:02:50,">>178027072
Did he really fucking say that sub 2 digit iq shit ?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531087370
178021908,178028018,2018-07-08 22:09:50,"Repent before God smites you with faggotry, OP!",,Anonymous,image.jpg,PEwvusgwSKEhq67LS6S3Cg==,US,,1531087790
178021908,178028218,2018-07-08 22:11:44,">>178027072
Dawkins, has said some dumb things due to equalitarian pressure. His true views on race is much more based",,Anonymous,reallybro.jpg,zpZrJ1nW90aL9EhhY6gjAw==,US,,1531087904
178021908,178028529,2018-07-08 22:14:52,">>178022211
I would hope anyone over 18 doesn't believe in ""God""",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1531088092
178021908,178028543,2018-07-08 22:15:01,">>178028218
In the case of abortion, the parents are failures for getting an abortion, and as for the girl in your pic, the parents are failures for not remaining in their homeland and fighting to improve it, or even going to the first safe country as opposed to going overseas.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088101
178021908,178028730,2018-07-08 22:17:15,>>178021908,,Anonymous,F8AEBE63-E5A8-4C48-9816-45FA97730F97.jpg,jop1vOAFEmnnRQbjrPwzQA==,US,,1531088235
178021908,178028958,2018-07-08 22:19:34,">>178021908
LoL faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088374
178021908,178029075,2018-07-08 22:20:54,">>178021908
>long history of stealing Christian valor 
Now our memes, too? KYS neckbeard faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088454
178021908,178029101,2018-07-08 22:21:05,">>178028730
I'll read your Flyer, maybe you can tell me more about God at the next Nationalist Rally, I really like learning new things.",,Anonymous,tbeattle.jpg,qylJUfIADmADeadwPlID9g==,US,,1531088465
178021908,178029110,2018-07-08 22:21:11,">>178028529
Would that were the case. Reality is that the cognitively challenged continue to be the majority.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088471
178021908,178029155,2018-07-08 22:21:44,">>178028529
t. muhammed",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088504
178021908,178029232,2018-07-08 22:22:36,">>178028218
That's a brown rat, Jose",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088556
178021908,178029374,2018-07-08 22:24:05,">>178025889
>one is high quality while the other is shit
just like the actual beliefs",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088645
178021908,178029580,2018-07-08 22:26:30,">>178025889
Based race poster",,Anonymous,1509768184892.jpg,u/0Wj8SAQ1tNFejA989KPA==,US,,1531088790
178021908,178029663,2018-07-08 22:27:16,>>178028529,,Anonymous,1520474302141.jpg,jC2y6PjKJ8kzcAGU0LDXfg==,US,,1531088836
178021908,178029739,2018-07-08 22:28:07,Post the best youtube athiests that don't drone and who are older than teenagers so I can listen to something good while I work,,Anonymous,,,US,,1531088887
178021908,178030194,2018-07-08 22:33:06,You have fedora-chan already stupid faggot,,Anonymous,81CFB596-043A-41FD-B379-678AFE38C3A5.png,c7yRKmD+sHM1gLDoKqVhUg==,AU,,1531089186
178021908,178030198,2018-07-08 22:33:07,">>178029739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwQ5Rj546eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531089187
178021908,178030608,2018-07-08 22:37:40,">>178030194
>fedora-chan
She is not well known, and not racist enough
I want a Chan with a who draws from Scientific Racism along with the militant spirit the Soviet Union",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531089460
178021908,178032839,2018-07-08 23:01:14,">>178030608
>I want a chan that I can steal, edit slightly and act like it's original
FTFY. The left can't meme and literally all they do is steal original OC and fuck it up and make it corny because they don't have any creativity of their own.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531090874
178021908,178033670,2018-07-08 23:10:17,>>178021908,,Anonymous,56924998.jpg,um7UrVVM/BazTm5EQ709qg==,US,,1531091417
178021908,178033758,2018-07-08 23:11:25,">>178021908
This shit looks like something found on deviantart",,Anonymous,1426174113492.jpg,OcmHL450KnCDrbWH7fcl4Q==,US,,1531091485
178021908,178033842,2018-07-08 23:12:23,">>178032839
because taking advantage of the work of others to make something superior isn't a ""White Thing""
It is",,Anonymous,1490851249553.jpg,9KqoTTh++81dykIKrGNppw==,US,,1531091543
178021908,178033859,2018-07-08 23:12:37,">>178021908
>christcucks btfo
I'm not even atheist but this is good",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531091557
178021908,178034060,2018-07-08 23:14:43,">>178021908
based",,Anonymous,,,,,1531091683
178021908,178034130,2018-07-08 23:15:34,">>178021908
shouldn't Atheist-Chan be a neckbeard?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531091734
178021908,178034187,2018-07-08 23:16:10,">>178021908
She looks angry and unpleasant. I'm no Christian but Christ-chan is definitely better.",,Anonymous,1492250003522.jpg,MrpYR+5JZyVOEVnz3kcBkw==,US,,1531091770
178021908,178034198,2018-07-08 23:16:20,"I will pray for my atheist brethren, that God will soften their hearts and reveal to them the Truth that is Christ, Life Everlasting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531091780
178021908,178034328,2018-07-08 23:17:54,">>178021908
>athiest chan
Idk, seems like a forced meme.",,Anonymous,1514824446966.jpg,EPTSrdUapfPCE1dDugCHSQ==,US,,1531091874
178021908,178034331,2018-07-08 23:17:54,>>178021908,,Anonymous,7AC2D8AF-4023-4662-BECE-69BF20FFF136.jpg,qbC/5D3JTQ5no8sUBcQVOw==,US,,1531091874
178021908,178034464,2018-07-08 23:19:22,">>178021908
FUCKING YES",,Anonymous,,,,,1531091962
178021908,178034466,2018-07-08 23:19:22,">>178034187
>non Christians saving Christ chan
Highly unlikely.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531091962
178021908,178034467,2018-07-08 23:19:22,">>178021908
>nothin personnel kid",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531091962
178021908,178034496,2018-07-08 23:19:41,you and your shit waifu can go back to r*ddit,,Anonymous,Cute_834525_6235818.jpg,MTWAovdOkMpPmHduDhIdMg==,US,,1531091981
178021908,178034583,2018-07-08 23:20:47,">>178021908
Jesus loves you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531092047
178021908,178034632,2018-07-08 23:21:32,">>178021908
>literal recolor
what a faggot",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531092092
178021908,178034659,2018-07-08 23:21:52,">>178021908
atheism caused this",,Anonymous,58018401.png,N6t056Xjk6Xf/JIla+0P6w==,US,,1531092112
178021908,178034703,2018-07-08 23:22:23,">>178021908
What does one talk about in an Atheism general? Do we just wait for butthurt Christians to make ad homs and tip our fedoras at them and feel smug?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531092143
178021908,178034745,2018-07-08 23:23:00,">>178034659
You're just begging for someone to dump Christians faggotizing the churches and demanding migrants be imported. I have to pass like a dozen captchas so it isn't going to be me,lucky for you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531092180
178021908,178034798,2018-07-08 23:23:41,">>178021908
Doesnt believe in God . Makes threads about how much he hates God",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1531092221
178021908,178034897,2018-07-08 23:24:49,"More like Autism-chan, amIrite my fellow christcucks?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1531092289
178021908,178034936,2018-07-08 23:25:15,">>178034745
>>178034659
Man, are we lucky we avoided his internet wrath or what? I shudder to think what meme he had in store that would make me abandon over 2000 years of tradition.",,Anonymous,1514950323665.png,XUbLSiII+2STVeHEyz8m+w==,US,,1531092315
178021908,178035010,2018-07-08 23:26:15,">>178034466
I actually save a lot of characters posted and/or made by pol/4chan. They're neat.",,Anonymous,184.png,ZPSm7inYFK/nurK9DWrghw==,US,,1531092375
178021908,178035022,2018-07-08 23:26:31,">>178021908
That thing is an abomination.",,Anonymous,1530439786333.png,ywPz/47Ruv47XgfphwJIcg==,US,,1531092391
178021908,178035026,2018-07-08 23:26:31,"While christcucks prayed to a kike, I studied the blade.
While kikes were rigging the economy, I studied tax laws.
While slimes raped little boys and killed faggots, I ate pork.",,Anonymous,1437013809595.jpg,cNmIDoF2/6ONIyqjkeOAFw==,PR,,1531092391
178021908,178035103,2018-07-08 23:27:34,"Atheism actvism is the same bag of shit of feminism, homosexuality, race """"""egalitaranism"""""" etc.",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1531092454
178021908,178035124,2018-07-08 23:27:49,">>178034936
>I shudder to think what meme he had in store that would make me abandon over 2000 years of tradition.
Interesting. I wonder what kind of memes made your ancestors give up their original traditions before that? Well, it's all down hill when you realize that Christianity is just Akkadian legends, which may have had some truth to them, poured over with enormous amounts of Jewish LARPing. But they actually made a culture and a nation out of it so the only ones LARPing now would be, oh, you.
>>178035010
Fuck off back to /rel/ christcuck",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531092469
178021908,178035269,2018-07-08 23:29:30,">>178035124
I'm sure you have a very convincing pepe somewhere.",,Anonymous,Untitled.png,CTwi0QiPU+wtgBuU92+2gA==,US,,1531092570
178021908,178035274,2018-07-08 23:29:32,">>178035124
this is now a christchan thread",,Anonymous,74363551.jpg,g08LEoKi+HOeETqErfKDOw==,US,,1531092572
178021908,178035313,2018-07-08 23:30:01,">>178035124
No thanks, friend. Appreciate the suggestion though.",,Anonymous,1517207299950.jpg,Nc0w6l19VF9QvHaZsyOXUA==,US,,1531092601
178021908,178035338,2018-07-08 23:30:24,">>178034703
We share and develop memes and rhetoric.
Also we can create, steal, and appropriate images and ideas to strengthen and develop the Atheist presence on this board.",,Anonymous,1528218379869.jpg,2iXDu5Yl0aCMq26SoRVP9A==,US,,1531092624
178021908,178035349,2018-07-08 23:30:32,Christchan is a cute,,Anonymous,633.png,axq+BPlfegQo/DgEVguoGg==,US,,1531092632
178021908,178035350,2018-07-08 23:30:33,">>178021908
Atheists get the rope too.",,Anonymous,84836738.jpg,9DGFSUU+OkI3G5GExr6Khg==,US,,1531092633
178021908,178035380,2018-07-08 23:30:51,">>178029739
AtheismIsUnstoppable.",,Anonymous,fedora_chan_by_maldraw-db1lx3v.jpg,jc22hMjB95mCyL54fTzm1A==,PR,,1531092651
178021908,178035447,2018-07-08 23:31:39,">>178035350
DEUS VULT",,Anonymous,26239460_321506161671745_4110937057059085241_n.jpg,RCD2iVthaIiD9rCoEw0E2w==,US,,1531092699
178021908,178035538,2018-07-08 23:32:46,">>178035350
/Pol exists because Christianity failed.",,Anonymous,413house.jpg,vU5Ehp4yribgo3jrkRpa3Q==,PR,,1531092766
178021908,178035652,2018-07-08 23:34:06,>>178021908,,Anonymous,43876435.png,sQ/kG9G364ayAwnCDdegvg==,US,,1531092846
178021908,178035697,2018-07-08 23:34:31,">>178035026
Please tell me you copy this from reddit or something",,Anonymous,62E4BFAB-B43E-47E6-AC64-1A88AE191F56.jpg,ivHKzo5/pypK3AVl1YsULw==,AU,,1531092871
178021908,178035843,2018-07-08 23:36:18,">>178035697
>Not recognizing a copy pasta
>Mentioning Reddit
Get out.",,Anonymous,bigstock-174069346.jpg,ClR8nplvkyEN1THkyM8Rrg==,PR,,1531092978
178021908,178035933,2018-07-08 23:37:17,">>178035447
no so fast, Jew Licker",,Anonymous,11224264_1528235110829006_8372114894212124682_n.jpg,r1T5scv/nxArXr//nFOQVA==,US,,1531093037
178021908,178036001,2018-07-08 23:37:58,">>178021908
how can anyone hate this qt?",,Anonymous,34040548.png,e+kMglcpQMG/w73l/xRH7g==,US,,1531093078
178021908,178036094,2018-07-08 23:39:22,">>178035933
Rockwell was better and wasn’t a pussy who killed himself",,Anonymous,E4CE8E28-B490-45C4-8A38-D6EA39DCAFB6.jpg,JffN8BEMeXDoojdspiYwAg==,AU,,1531093162
178021908,178036442,2018-07-08 23:43:23,"I have never seen a good reason to be an atheist. Maybe it's just because I don't read a lot of modern philosophers and the typical atheist has no idea why the things they believe are true, they just want them to be.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531093403
178021908,178036708,2018-07-08 23:46:30,">>178021908
sage, not political issue get out",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1531093590
178021908,178036862,2018-07-08 23:48:02,">>178021908
No suprise atheist chan looks angry and evil",,Anonymous,1474565464999.png,EnwncmA6Ciyt8hE1JoeKIA==,NL,,1531093682
178021908,178036883,2018-07-08 23:48:10,">>178036442
>the typical atheist has no idea why the things they believe are true,
Can you explain these atheist beliefs to me?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531093690
178021908,178037050,2018-07-08 23:50:04,">>178035350
DEUS VULT!!!",,Anonymous,1530705812847.jpg,/zfnUnzVW+o26h3R0AL6JQ==,US,,1531093804
178021908,178037184,2018-07-08 23:51:26,">>178036883
Really dude? Atheism is the belief that there is no god, a creator or sustainer of existence. The entails some sort of materialism is true which must be defended.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531093886
178021908,178037628,2018-07-08 23:56:35,">>178037184
Yes, really dude. You know how often I hear some wackjob go off the rails claiming Atheists believe in all sorts of shit? All the fucking time.
What about materialism must be defended? The way I see it, Atheism is the default. Nobody is born religious, they have to be indoctrinated. The religious have the burden of proof, they are making the claim.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531094195
178021908,178037944,2018-07-09 00:00:06,"Christianity and Europeans are the source of Degeneracy. Fedora Atheism, Gay pride ect all emerged in countries were Europeans and Christianity was dominant. You just dont get this kind of perversion outside of the West anywhere else.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1531094406
178021908,178038475,2018-07-09 00:05:52,">>178037628
The statement ""materialism is true"" is what needs to be justified. You can believe it's true but why should I? It's utterly irrelevant to the question of gods existence whether humans are born with the inclination to believe or learn it through societal conditioning. Completely uneducated humans will naturally believe the sun orbits the earth but this is not evidence it actually does.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531094752
178021908,178038671,2018-07-09 00:07:47,">>178022211
lmao when you know he's cia boomer promoting his degeneracy",,Anonymous,,,SA,,1531094867
178021908,178038957,2018-07-09 00:10:58,">>178021908
She looks like an off-brand Christ-chan.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095058
178021908,178038999,2018-07-09 00:11:27,">>178025725
Why have them fight when you could totally have them scissor instead?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095087
178021908,178039104,2018-07-09 00:12:43,>>178021908,,Anonymous,brap.png,BSBKnCJgeeA6tPh/D181PA==,US,,1531095163
178021908,178039129,2018-07-09 00:12:57,">>178035380
It stopped at around 2010",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095177
178021908,178039141,2018-07-09 00:13:05,">>178038475
We can only measure and observe real things. It isn't so much there cannot be anything else, but we don't know it. There are many things we literally cannot perceive and likely a near infinite amount of thing we cannot learn, but that does not mean everything we don't understand must be attributed to a mysterious alien entity. We are matter, maybe that isn't convenient, or poetic, or fun, but that doesn't make it untrue.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095185
178021908,178039276,2018-07-09 00:14:39,">>178038999
Because I like superpowered fights, especially when it's one or more girls with powerful abilities fighting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095279
178021908,178039293,2018-07-09 00:14:48,">>178028529
is this you?",,Anonymous,hC040D6A9.jpg,MB6Z1kQitbnKmw5a9PUT0w==,US,,1531095288
178021908,178039329,2018-07-09 00:15:19,">>178021908
Looks like a trap lol. A ironic reflection of your facet beliefs.",,Anonymous,1529534946313s.jpg,akUgZtOmTdvtEhk9VpD1cA==,MK,,1531095319
178021908,178040010,2018-07-09 00:23:12,"Honestly, after being revealed to the outright lies in our media and all out propaganda, I could hardly consider science unbiased and to hear goebbels charge atheism as a jewish bolshevik concept only made all the more sense.
I wholely believe that the modern atheist movement is fueled through false findings and junk science, intended to fuel materialism and ultimately replace one's concept of a creator with a need for worldly facilitation by government comfort (socialism).
The voting nature of those whom find themselves without faith reflects this quite well.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095792
178021908,178040016,2018-07-09 00:23:14,">>178039141
...and there's the scientism. You believe that only things we can measure and observe are real and count as knowledge, but how do you know this belief is true? There's no way to measure or observe the belief that only true or real things are measurable and observable. This demonstrates a severe problem with your epistemological views. Which is that you can't account math or logic as tools capable of finding true knowledge since you can't observe numbers and you can't measure logical deductions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531095794
178021908,178040573,2018-07-09 00:29:34,">>178040016
Are you intentionally being disingenuous? I didn't deny there couldn't be anything beyond the material, only that by definition we cannot know it. Regardless, you nor anyone else has the ability to prove any claims that fall outside the material. Scoff if you faith requires, but science has brought us into enlightenment.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531096174
178021908,178041236,2018-07-09 00:37:34,">>178040573
You're assuming that the scientific method is the only way to find true knowledge which as I've shown you is a self refuting belief and makes mathematics and logic useless as tools of finding true knowledge. On top of that, even if we assume that your scientism is true this still isn't a reason to believe materialism is true, just as our inability to observe dark matter throughout the universe is not a reason to believe dark matter doesn't actually exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531096654
178021908,178041256,2018-07-09 00:37:46,">>178040010
The science itself is unbiased, the problem is leftist ""scientists"" who would rather push their politics rather than find the truth wherever possible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531096666
178021908,178041288,2018-07-09 00:38:05,"I'm a scientist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEKmoot-Des
>not me, just saying
but im a scientist",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531096685
178021908,178041412,2018-07-09 00:39:46,">>178040010
Imagine being enough of a Jew to believe the media is corrupt but science is not, they go to the same schools.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531096786
178021908,178041435,2018-07-09 00:40:00,"Please don't.
I don't have anything against people who can't believe but don't proselytize. Religion is important to a society's functioning.",,Anonymous,,,,,1531096800
178021908,178041485,2018-07-09 00:40:34,">>178040010
the real theory of light has been discovered.
this is not me in this video but i discovered this theory myself, made it up, when i was younger. so its as you call it, peer reviewed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XAMa6svVc4",,Anonymous,rodrey.jpg,g5K9JzYykaom+GMLsu9rdQ==,US,,1531096834
178021908,178041976,2018-07-09 00:46:16,">>178041236
Yeah, you are being disingenuous. You clearly have no clue how the scientific method works. If you think repeatable scientific experiments that accurately represent reality isn't the closest we can get to truth then you are in denial. You haven't shown ""true knowledge"" or anything for that matter, you're full of shit. You're on a computer shitposting which is only made possible with that supposedly ""self refuting belief"". You are the one who just needs there to be something beyond the physical, but cannot justify their belief.
I said nothing can exist beyond the material. Again, for the last time, there could be, but we cannot know it and you cannot prove it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097176
178021908,178042134,2018-07-09 00:47:55,">>178041435
>Religion is important to a society's functioning.
I'm an atheist and even I agree with this. Unfortunately, the masses are too retarded to think of long term consequences and cause and effect, meaning that they have to scared into behaving by the threat of eternal consequences.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097275
178021908,178042251,2018-07-09 00:49:30,">>178041976
>said nothing can exist beyond the material.
*I didn't say that nothing can exist beyond the material.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097370
178021908,178042300,2018-07-09 00:50:21,>DOOOOOOS VULLLLLLLT,,Anonymous,cucktholics.jpg,5PeeQJLBWvLj0itz54gq8Q==,,,1531097421
178021908,178042347,2018-07-09 00:50:46,">>178042134
>lol im so enlightened :) fucking masses lmao
thanks for the laugh, it's funny when stupid people pretend to be smart",,Anonymous,1527291945050.gif,O2j2a1LgQK27Odi4PmJ6Aw==,US,,1531097446
178021908,178042488,2018-07-09 00:52:34,">>178041976
I never said science isn't capable of finding true knowledge, my position is that it isn't the only method of finding true knowledge. My position is prima facie true because to deny it would be to deny the efficacy of math and logic. If logic or mathematics are valid methods for finding true knowledge, then the belief that science is the only way to find true knowledge is false.
Logic is a valid method of discovering true beliefs so it is possible to prove metaphysical beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097554
178021908,178042560,2018-07-09 00:53:25,">>178042488
Then use your logic to prove god. You cannot.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097605
178021908,178042569,2018-07-09 00:53:30,">>178021908
le Christians reject science maymay XD",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097610
178021908,178042672,2018-07-09 00:54:53,">>178042569
religion and science are oxymorons",,Anonymous,,,,,1531097693
178021908,178042798,2018-07-09 00:56:19,">>178042560
There's an interesting shift of the goalposts. You can't prove materialism is true yet you continue to believe it, and now you want me to prove a position that I haven't taken. I'll play anyways because I already have an argument written up.
A thing can only move or change if it has the potential for that movement or change. A rock has the potential to move but can't move itself, it has to derive that movement from something else. In other words, something else has to actualize the rocks potential movement. Since every series or chain of moved and mover is contingent on the first mover, the first mover couldn't have any potential. It would have to be pure act.
To put it another way, everything that is in motion is moved by something else. The chain of mover and moved cannot go on forever because if it did there would be no first mover, and consequently no other mover as well. This is because second movers don't move except when moved by a first mover, just as a stick does not move anything except when moved by a hand. So a first mover which is itself unmoved by anything else is necessary to explain motion.
What does it mean to be pure act? Pure actual must be omnipotent, because to not be able to do something would be unrealized potential. Pure act would have to be omniscient, because a lack of knowledge is potential. It can't not exist since nonexistence is pure potential, so pure act must be eternal. Pure act must be non corporeal because physical things change which is the realization of potential. An imperfection of any kind would be unrealized potential so pure act must be perfect. There can only be one pure act because the only way to tell the difference between two things is if one had something the other didn't, but pure act can't lack anything as that would be an unrealized potential.
So here we have an eternal act which is omnipotent, omniscient, non corporeal, perfect, and singular.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097779
178021908,178043032,2018-07-09 00:59:17,">>178042798
Holy shit. Are you a philosophy major? It's gonna take me a moment to dissect this.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531097957
178021908,178043605,2018-07-09 01:05:58,">>178042798
>you have an argument written up. *copy pastes a shit argument into thread*
You haven't proven god. You just made a bunch of assumptions with nothing to back them up. This is just dishonest word salad. The whole argument is just a shittier, more convoluted version of the watchmaker analogy. Are you just trying to stall for time because you know the thread is going to be gone soon?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531098358
178021908,178043958,2018-07-09 01:10:11,">>178043605
What are these assumptions that you believe need justified? If you don't understand anything about the argument I would be happy to help. I'm not sure where you're getting watchermakers out of this but I'm not a fan of Pascal and I reject every argument of his that I'm aware of.
Also why exactly would I be stalling for time? You're getting a little nutty on me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531098611
178021908,178044221,2018-07-09 01:13:16,">>178021908
Fitting you'd use sputnik for your communigger tier meme appropriation. Was a shit tier satellite that only lasted a few hours by the way. Meanwhile, the original Telstars are still up there.",,Anonymous,,,,,1531098796
178021908,178044477,2018-07-09 01:16:24,">>178030608
>associating atheism with the soviet union
>the commies who replaced the god of christ with the god of the state
You are everything wrong with atheism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531098984
178021908,178044798,2018-07-09 01:20:06,">>178043958
I know you're just being obtuse at this point. The logic you presented here is that ""there must be a first mover, thus god did it"". It doesn't take into account any other possibilities, you've just worked backwards from the destination you wanted and eschewed everything else.
It throws out ideas like ""pure act"" then hamfists assumptions that this new idea must be things you've applied to your deity.
Either you'll need to elaborate or just admit that you're talking out of your ass.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531099206
178021908,178045074,2018-07-09 01:23:26,">>178044798
>other possibilities
Can you at least note another possibility? It would be greatly appreciated for it's thrown out there to analyze.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531099406
178021908,178045756,2018-07-09 01:31:38,">>178044798
The argument shows that a first mover is necessary to explain change or motion. This first mover which actualized all potential must not have any potential for change itself because then it wouldn't be the first mover. It has to be pure act. If you have a problem with this so far then let me know because it wouldn't do much good discussing what it means to be the first mover or pure act if you have a reason to reject it.
You should know that I'm just a theist. I was an atheist all my life until that past few years where I became a theist by reason. I didn't have a preexisting belief which I then tried to confirm as true but even if I did ""work backwards from the destination"" that wouldn't make the argument false.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531099898
178021908,178046258,2018-07-09 01:37:04,">>178045756
Then all you've done is show that at one point in time nothing moved, then something moved. You didn't prove a god did it. All you are doing is saying ""If we don't know, God did it."". It could be any phenomena outside our understanding, but just calling an explosion of energy god is pedantic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531100224
178021908,178046993,2018-07-09 01:44:59,">>178046258
To be more specific, that anon only describes the qualities necessary to be a ""first mover"" to cause realization of potential to cause realization of motion. The implication points to something omnipotent, omniscient, and perfect. This is what you should be disproving.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531100699
178021908,178047222,2018-07-09 01:47:39,">faith in god has anything to do with religion
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80stika_and_n%C4%81stika",,Anonymous,,,IN,,1531100859
178021908,178047653,2018-07-09 01:52:26,">>178021908
*tips*",,Anonymous,1526556674112.jpg,yjmFdY7NMj32vEny8qZ6Hg==,RO,,1531101146
178021908,178047777,2018-07-09 01:53:50,">>178046258
At no point did I say ""nothing moved and then something moved"" and this is not a ""god of gaps"" because if the argument is true then the first mover couldn't possibly be anything else. The argument shows that all things derive their power to move other things from the first mover. Just as a rock can't move itself, it derives its movement from the stick which derives its movement from the hand holding it and so on until we get to the first mover. All movement is being sustained by the first mover right here and now.
The first mover couldn't just be anything, it would have to be eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, non corporeal, perfect, and singular for the reasons given above. Pantheism is ruled out because the first mover is singular and atheism is defeated because materialism in all its forms are proven false by it",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531101230
178021908,178047798,2018-07-09 01:54:08,">>178046993
>The implication points to something omnipotent, omniscient, and perfect.
The idea that stuff didn't move, then moved. doesn't lend itself to any of those traits. It's not an implication, it's an outright assumption. You're just assuming that a person from outside our reality, (whom himself doesn't need justification for some reason), just started doing stuff. It could have been anything, this answer is just more convenient for a theist to believe so they choose to.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531101248
178021908,178048234,2018-07-09 01:59:16,">>178047777
>All movement is being sustained by the first mover right here and now.
If that's true, explain entropy. Energy isn't sustained, it changes into different types of energy and each time it diminishes. Eventually everything will stop moving again.
Also, no you haven't shown that something moving has to be any of those traits. Again, it could have been anything outside of our understanding. You haven't proven god at all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531101556
178021908,178048252,2018-07-09 01:59:27,">>178046258
Then you accept that God the Logos of the Bible exists but don't accept that the phenomena can be anthropomorphized. To insist it doesn't exist because you don't agree about the exact nature of it is ultra pedantic and unproductive. You dismiss 2000 years of knowledge because you dislike some details about the concept they used. By rejecting the concept entirely you cripple your ability to communicate effectively with people who subscribe to the concept which is most of the world.",,Anonymous,,,,,1531101567
178021908,178048302,2018-07-09 01:59:57,">>178021908
Speaking of not believing, can Mutually Assured Destruction actually make the world completely inhabitable and kill mankind to extinction through a nuclear war?
I don't think it can.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1531101597
178021908,178048510,2018-07-09 02:02:31,">>178048252
>then you accept that God the Logos of the Bible exists but don't accept that the phenomena can be anthropomorphized.
No. Are your legs okay? That was quite a leap you made there buddy.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531101751
178021908,178048796,2018-07-09 02:06:04,">>178048234
>Energy isn't sustained
>talking entropy
Huh, I didn't know that the Law of Conservation of Energy had exceptions in it.",,Anonymous,Whaa....jpg,Kh8x0PzxahhkC25hF5jUfQ==,US,,1531101964
178021908,178049189,2018-07-09 02:10:59,">>178048234
As far as I know energy doesn't go out of existence but even if it did what would that prove? To say that existence is being sustained by the first mover doesn't mean that non existence of the moved isn't possible -- that is, that we can't go out of existence.
I've made the argument and you've chosen to reject it for no good reason so I don't seen any point in continuing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531102259
178021908,178049299,2018-07-09 02:12:23,">>178048510
I made no leap. You're just an idiot. If you accept there is a prime mover you accept the validity of a Christian conceptualisation of the origin of reality. Normally the one who coins an idea gets to label it, even if you disagree with the details of the idea. You have only one reason not to accept the concept of God as a reference to whatever truth lies behind the idea of the prime mover and that is to be an obtuse subversive faggot.",,Anonymous,,,,,1531102343
178021908,178049554,2018-07-09 02:15:40,">>178035350
DEUS VULT",,Anonymous,1519250449888.png,M491v79nYI9xXP30P2K09A==,US,,1531102540
178021908,178049713,2018-07-09 02:17:52,">>178049189
>As far as I know energy doesn't go out of existence but even if it did what would that prove?
It would prove your assumption that the first act ""sustains"" every act afterwords to be false. There is a lot of content on entropy you can look up for yourself and review the evidence for it.
>To say that existence is being sustained by the first mover doesn't mean that non existence of the moved isn't possible
Well if it's just a one time imparting of energy from an unknown source how can you just call it god?
>I've made the argument and you've chosen to reject it for no good reason so I don't seen any point in continuing.
You couldn't explain your argument. That's fine. It doesn't necessarily prove you are wrong, but it does show you don't fully understand your own position. I really don't care what you choose to believe.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531102672
178021908,178049884,2018-07-09 02:20:12,">>178049299
I could accept a first event, but that doesn't prove a god did it. You also assume that such a deity would naturally be your own, and not any of the uncountable ones people have spoken about even beyond 2000 years ago. It could be anything beyond our understanding, you just choose to believe your god did it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531102812
178021908,178050229,2018-07-09 02:25:01,">>178021908
Looks like a man. No wonder atheists are fags",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1531103101
178021908,178050865,2018-07-09 02:33:59,">>178028529
this",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531103639
178021908,178051180,2018-07-09 02:38:32,">>178035350
Deus Vult",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531103912
178021908,178051380,2018-07-09 02:40:59,">>178024363
>flag
you're a commie too, statist fagggggg",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531104059
178021908,178051432,2018-07-09 02:41:38,draw more atheist-chan,,Anonymous,3D women are NOT important.png,SLPLQUBfuOuu5yDexalcew==,US,,1531104098
178021908,178051665,2018-07-09 02:44:47,">>178051432
I really want to, but as you can see I suck at art.
any tips?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531104287
178021908,178051813,2018-07-09 02:46:56,">>178051665
Just keep drawing and try to make it better each time. Just like any other skill. There's plenty of tutorials on the jootube on specific techniques.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531104416
178021908,178052132,2018-07-09 02:51:21,>atheism,,Anonymous,142219447359.jpg,FzD2/9AE4Aqow8Vztg7XeA==,,,1531104681
178021908,178052314,2018-07-09 02:54:03,">>178027072
/thread 
Atheism has never once worked out, its the communism of religions.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531104843
178021908,178052849,2018-07-09 03:02:21,">>178021908
>Colored contacts 
>Broad shoulders (Man) 
>Angry pose (typical triggered atheist)
>""A"" necklace for the anarchy atheism causes 
>""Russian"" probe bot sent by (((them)))
>Bot surrounded by EU stars 
>Confused DNA trying to be male despite all the HRT 
>Fag colors 
Why are atheists always so cringe?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531105341
178021908,178054287,2018-07-09 03:24:04,">>178051813
so far so gud, The Atheist meme factory is firing up",,Anonymous,fgdfgdfg.jpg,dbEOf6AoZIMcWWnNFttiUw==,US,,1531106644
178021908,178054411,2018-07-09 03:26:10,">>178054287
Just don't be a tryhard. You can't force art or good memes, just enjoy the ride.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531106770
178021908,178054474,2018-07-09 03:26:59,>>178042560,,Anonymous,,,US,,1531106819
178021908,178054577,2018-07-09 03:28:32,">>178042560
>>178054474
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/756870/proof-of-god-kurt-godel",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531106912
178021908,178054717,2018-07-09 03:30:59,">>178054577
Okay sure. Explain it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531107059
178021908,178055035,2018-07-09 03:36:15,">>178054717
lmao
>""You can't prove god is real!!""
>*Mathematical proves it*
>""You can't expLain it tho!!11!""
>T.Butthurtatheist",,Anonymous,1528495721234.jpg,ET5KNqo1GsZAKX3tVad0rQ==,US,,1531107375
178021908,178055118,2018-07-09 03:37:41,">>178055035
By all means explain it then. I mean, two computer scientists said it's true so it must be.
Go on, break it down and show us.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531107461
178021908,178055283,2018-07-09 03:40:18,">>178054577
>SCIENTISTS have ‘confirmed’ the existence of God after proving a mathematician’s theory which suggests that there is a higher power.
>''confirmed''
>suggests
But where is the proof",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531107618
178021908,178055293,2018-07-09 03:40:28,">>178021908
She looks like Christ-Chan gone crazy",,Anonymous,,,,,1531107628
178021908,178055470,2018-07-09 03:43:28,">>178055118
>I mean, two computer scientists said it's true so it must be
First off, the 1st step is admitting you're wrong, and congratulations on making it that far sweety <3 
>He actually thinks im going to explain 
>He thinks im only pretending to be retarded 
>TopKeK
2nd, we're all big grown up bois here, you have the link, now do your home work honey",,Anonymous,1528496089146.jpg,1zsLYtoE4EJd40F+j5H4aA==,US,,1531107808
178021908,178055604,2018-07-09 03:45:21,">>178022211
based",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1531107921
178021908,178055612,2018-07-09 03:45:28,">>178055470
If you don't even understand it yourself why would I even bother arguing it with you? I guess it's to be expected from someone who blindly follows.
Begone low IQ fool.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531107928
178200234,178200234,2018-07-10 08:16:51,why do atheists always win arguments?,Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,reallybro.jpg,zpZrJ1nW90aL9EhhY6gjAw==,US,,1531210611
178200234,178200327,2018-07-10 08:18:11,">>178200234
because they make no effort to understand the people they argue with.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1531210691
178200234,178200495,2018-07-10 08:20:51,">>178200234
If GOD doesn't exist why waste your time talking about something that doesn't exist,they all have a god complex 
Get right and fight for whats right
https://streamable.com/o28y1",,Anonymous,16.jpg,IACdB16JpH3UFrK3SKIJog==,US,,1531210851
178200234,178200644,2018-07-10 08:23:21,">>178200495
>God ""complex""
Can't already tell by my flag?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1531211001
178200234,178200672,2018-07-10 08:23:43,">>178200234
My concerns are not religious. Not all lives are equal and the one of the left is more important 
Kek agrees",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211023
178200234,178200715,2018-07-10 08:24:28,">>178200234
Hey if you are willing to kill the all the unborn children we will kill all the shit skins
Deal?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211068
178200234,178200797,2018-07-10 08:25:49,Blacks and Hispanics are aborted more,,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211149
178200234,178200916,2018-07-10 08:27:37,,,Anonymous,1529385278167.jpg,dHEV/zq1E6bzGchhSbDLdQ==,,,1531211257
178200234,178200993,2018-07-10 08:29:03,">>178200327
This
Atheists are the most intellectually dishonest people on the planet. They will go on all day about how people blindly follow religion, but then support their arguments with SCIENCE they simply do not understand. They will hear bill kike the science goy say something and regurgitate it.
Most high IQ scientists and researchers are atleast agnostic, they simply cannot ignore the law of conservation of mass and energy in relation to the human consciousnes and soul",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211343
178200234,178201069,2018-07-10 08:30:29,">>178200234
Nobody mention the black abortion rates Conservatives would want reduced. Let the moron stew a bit longer.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211429
178200234,178201111,2018-07-10 08:30:59,">>178200993
Science is cucked right now, very little people care about the scientific method the way it is meant to be, everyone just cares about funding and getting their shitty forged results published",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1531211459
178200234,178201330,2018-07-10 08:34:15,">>178200234
I don't see any children among the refugees. Only adult males. liberals care about those but not the whites in south africa getting killed, because it's not virtous to care about them. liberals need to stop pretending their concerns are for human lives, it's for political power and to make thesmelves feel like they are good people",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1531211655
178200234,178201478,2018-07-10 08:36:56,">>178200234
I love watching all this 'anti-white' propaganda being vomited out, it just solidifies my purpose in life.",,Anonymous,1501376714223.jpg,9vmH4cN6llCf3royN3b3/Q==,US,,1531211816
178200234,178201487,2018-07-10 08:37:04,">>178201111
Not all science is cucked, but i agree the scientific community has an issue with (((funded research))). Its mostly contained to climate and social ""science"". In fact, a lot of the time its not forged to create a narrative, but forged because companies who spend thousands, maybe millions of research do not want to hear ""ya there isnt anything here"" or ""it doesnt work."". They understand that no result is still a result, especially after they dump money into it.
 but there are still a lot of people doing really interesting work. I recommend maybe picking up a scientific journal, will lead you to some really interesting papers on current research efforts",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211824
178200234,178201602,2018-07-10 08:38:54,">>178200234
>killing a human is the same as not wanting to flood your country with poor, eternally dependent people",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531211934
178200234,178201675,2018-07-10 08:40:05,">>178201478
can I fight by your side when the time comes?",,Anonymous,tri3.jpg,LRlFkhkFDD0W8NotgzMSUw==,US,,1531212005
178200234,178201760,2018-07-10 08:41:25,"Atheism is illogical. They can't answer the cosmological arguments and they don't even try. The scientific method cannot be uaed to prove that knowledge can only come from the scientific method. It is logically proven that God exists and that He is One, Eternal, Immutable, Pure, Omniscient, and Omnipotent. Atheists are universally either ignorant and uneducated or dishonest and intellectual liars. Atheists claim to love logic but they run from logical arguments because logic proves the existence of tje Christian God. Atheism reached a high water mark around 2015 and as a mass social movement it won't survive the 21st century.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531212085
178200234,178201781,2018-07-10 08:41:41,">>178201487
I'm currently studying for biomedical science, but yeah if you want to post them sure",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1531212101
178200234,178202071,2018-07-10 08:46:14,">>178201781
Thats actually the field i work in. Im a computer engineer, and i design embedded systems for biometric devices.
There is a big push right now to make a fully implantable gluecose sensor. Dexcom and some other companies have a fixed externak version, but they are trying to have it all hide under your skin",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531212374
178200234,178202277,2018-07-10 08:49:30,">>178200234
ok, fine, ones a refugee who's parent should be more responsible and keep their child safe in their home country, the other doesn't have any chance without help from the host woman, so its not the same, kys. stop arguing like a leftist retard",,Anonymous,,,US,,1531212570
180882121,180882121,2018-08-02 04:39:07,White people are to smart for BULLSHIT LIES,Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,reallybro.jpg,zpZrJ1nW90aL9EhhY6gjAw==,US,,1533184747
180882121,180882325,2018-08-02 04:42:53,">>180882121
Ok, abortion for everyone then",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1533184973
180882121,180882370,2018-08-02 04:43:42,"Most brown people aren't fleeing certain death, they're fleeing crappy economy.",,Anonymous,,,DK,,1533185022
180882121,180882477,2018-08-02 04:45:54,">>180882370
>brown
>people",,Anonymous,,,HR,,1533185154
180882121,180882536,2018-08-02 04:46:55,Why is she assuming the foetus' race?,,Anonymous,,,PK,,1533185215
180882121,180882554,2018-08-02 04:47:15,">>180882121
why can't we just say we are concerned about white people and white society and not really that concerned about other groups?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533185235
180882121,180882631,2018-08-02 04:48:50,">>180882121
>he doesn't believe in bible stories
you, should.
you're in one.
;)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533185330
180882121,180882659,2018-08-02 04:49:18,">>180882121
Ok, I just hate brown and black people. And that's a good thing.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1533185358
180882121,180882678,2018-08-02 04:49:42,">>180882121
there is no religious, moral/ethical imperative for self-abolishment",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1533185382
180882121,180882745,2018-08-02 04:50:56,">>180882631
Barbossa aren't you dead?",,Anonymous,,,SK,,1533185456
180882121,180883232,2018-08-02 04:59:27,If its brown flush it down!,,Anonymous,6d13724c4c6ef39ebd9e0e17ff74184c358a1f447188e5799186d338c52d0eed.jpg,m6BqkU2g5EYHOasF7pi1Xg==,AU,,1533185967
180882121,180883592,2018-08-02 05:06:36,>>180882121,,Anonymous,twodeadchildren_onemedianarrative.jpg,dZNjbi5I5D68rR9pSl1i+w==,US,,1533186396
180882121,180883692,2018-08-02 05:08:33,">>180882121
Post birth abortion by drowning in a peoples smuggler boat is still abortion. Stop people smuggling and stop abortion.",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1533186513
180882121,180883932,2018-08-02 05:13:29,">>180882121
Only people who get aborted:
White trash
Nigs
So if your ultra right wing you ought to be all for abortion.
By the way.....
The little girl's face does pull at my heart strings. Even though she be brown. =(",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533186809
180882121,180884059,2018-08-02 05:15:53,">>180882121
(((atheism))) is Jew trick to get whites to turn their back on tradition for muh science tm 
Paganism can be reasonable and.fair and it will bring you back in touch with who we are.",,Anonymous,,,,,1533186953
180882121,180884172,2018-08-02 05:18:00,">>180882121
From religious perspective:
one is umborn life to be protected
other is filthy infidel
from objective perspective:
One is likely yo become good member of society (observation based on other born whites)
other one will be on welfare and part of terror attacks and general destruction of society
Both perspectives lead to same end.",,Anonymous,,,LT,,1533187080
180882121,180884240,2018-08-02 05:19:22,">>180882370
This.
Op is a retarded faggot whose emotions overtake what little sense he has.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1533187162
180882121,180884304,2018-08-02 05:20:34,">>180883932
>schlomo",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1533187234
180882121,180884365,2018-08-02 05:21:36,">>180884240
Bitch OP is cols ass mother fucker
way beyond your level",,Anonymous,1528128891680.png,O6le2hs34APBC63LxRCRTA==,US,,1533187296
180882121,180884449,2018-08-02 05:23:28,">>180883932
>White trash
Oxymoron",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1533187408
180882121,180884463,2018-08-02 05:23:45,">>180882121
>pls do brown parents' jobs for them!",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1533187425
180882121,180884607,2018-08-02 05:26:40,">>180882121
In order to save poor brown people from drowning, we have to stop giving them incentive to come to western countries illegally. If all they achive is wasting money on trip and being turned back, they will learn.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533187600
180882121,180885212,2018-08-02 05:38:31,">>180882121
Thats why we want to stop white abortion and push for shitskin eradication",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1533188311
180882121,180885464,2018-08-02 05:43:30,">>180882121
the rest of the world is literally only there for us to exploit
my dudes > your dudes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533188610
180882121,180885555,2018-08-02 05:45:17,">>180884059
Christianity is also a Jew trick to get whites to turn their back on their race and therefor their tradition.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533188717
180882121,180885996,2018-08-02 05:53:39,">>180884607
That's not very christian of you.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533189219
180882121,180886034,2018-08-02 05:54:19,">>180882121
Atheists are funguss",,Anonymous,Truth about atheism.png,C1iZUbsZNLthjO4xYfVo8Q==,PL,,1533189259
180882121,180886417,2018-08-02 06:01:54,">>180886034
>abroted",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533189714
180882121,180886523,2018-08-02 06:03:51,">>180882121
>White lives matter
>Shitskin lives don't 
Correct",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1533189831
180882121,180886774,2018-08-02 06:09:05,">>180882121
There is nothing wrong with ethno-religion",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533190145
180882121,180886867,2018-08-02 06:10:48,">>180882121
>the bible says to pamper foreigners
Yeah it also says to pamper your enemies. My concerns are completely religious.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533190248
180882121,180886964,2018-08-02 06:12:49,">>180886867
And whatever happened to “when in rome do as the romans” you broke our fucking laws. You speak your own language and trash america any chance you get.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533190369
180882121,180887020,2018-08-02 06:13:55,">>180886964
And you bare false witness. Accusing your neighbor of being a nazi of being kkk or all this shit. Get the fuck out of my country you piece of shit. And take your commie in the making kids with you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533190435
180882121,180887043,2018-08-02 06:14:17,">>180884607
This has always been the solution, it's leftists who support open borders who have blood on their hands.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533190457
180882121,180887125,2018-08-02 06:15:47,"I don't see what the abortion issue, which is about intentionally ending a pregnancy and whether it's right or wrong or not, had to do with some random motherfuckers on a boat?",,Anonymous,,,,,1533190547
180882121,180887216,2018-08-02 06:17:28,">>180882121
>Atheists
Not interested, sorry",,Anonymous,7get.png,qw7CJwrD0l9wiX810PV+Cw==,HU,,1533190648
180882121,180887292,2018-08-02 06:18:48,">>180882121
There is nothing wrong with your picture.
Yes an unborn Englishman is far more valuable to me than an invader.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533190728
180882121,180887293,2018-08-02 06:18:50,">>180882121
>atheism
>not murdering unborn children
Pick one, heretic.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533190730
180882121,180887427,2018-08-02 06:21:34,">>180885996
Galatians 6:5
For each will have to bear his own load",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533190894
180882121,180887515,2018-08-02 06:22:55,">>180887216
Would musky ethnic feet interest you?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533190975
180882121,180887558,2018-08-02 06:23:55,">>180887427
10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 11For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533191035
180882121,180887626,2018-08-02 06:25:08,">>180882678
Stunning and Brave",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1533191108
180882121,180887642,2018-08-02 06:25:36,Dont let the satanic pedophile murderers claim your religion isnt yours.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1533191136
180882121,180887650,2018-08-02 06:25:46,">>180882659
See shlomo anons perfect responseto OPs faggotry",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1533191146
180882121,180887716,2018-08-02 06:26:58,">>180882121
OK. The concerns are factual then",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1533191218
180882121,180887729,2018-08-02 06:27:19,">>180882121
Shitskins aren't people",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533191239
180882121,180887761,2018-08-02 06:27:52,">>180882121
I agree with your picture though.
Brown lives do no matter.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533191272
180882121,180887783,2018-08-02 06:28:21,">>180882121
>BULLSHIT LIES
Hello, I'd like to see your research (and credentials) in which you debunk the supernatural with science.
Should you fail to provide these I'll simply consider you superstitious.",,Anonymous,im-a-skeptic-mihodeal2.png,WZJMpaaI/nsemMaJdGMaZQ==,ES,,1533191301
180882121,180887817,2018-08-02 06:29:00,">>180887427
Deuteronomy 10:18-19
Ezekiel 16:49
Matthew 25:25-36",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533191340
180882121,180887865,2018-08-02 06:29:59,">>180887783
>what is bourden of proof",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533191399
180882121,180887882,2018-08-02 06:30:18,>>180885996,,Anonymous,reddit.png,ZkBcDjBuglD7JSNlcLyt2A==,US,,1533191418
180882121,180887898,2018-08-02 06:30:49,">>180887865
A shitty excuse made up by fedoras, science doesn't discard matters out of claims, science does research into the claims.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1533191449
180882121,180887903,2018-08-02 06:30:54,">>180882121
Why should it be my concern their raghead parents dragged them over perilous waters?",,Anonymous,,,IT,,1533191454
180882121,180888006,2018-08-02 06:32:46,">>180887898
Can you debunk my claim that your mother is currently gang banged by a pack of wild niggers?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533191566
180882121,180888036,2018-08-02 06:33:30,">>180882121
>I can define an axiom by which only one of these two points you hold are justified, therefore you have no higher values.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1533191610
180882121,180888046,2018-08-02 06:33:34,">>180888006
Scientifically? I could provide 24/7 footage of her never going near a nigger.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1533191614
180882121,180888141,2018-08-02 06:35:12,">>180887882
Well, most christian leaders agree with it. But no, i bet those pesky atheists are to blame.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533191712
180882121,180888228,2018-08-02 06:36:30,">>180888046
Care to present it?",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533191790
180882121,180888277,2018-08-02 06:37:20,">>180888228
Sure, as long as you pay me for my hard work",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1533191840
180882121,180888310,2018-08-02 06:38:03,">>180887293
How are those mutually exclusive?
Just because you are not religious doesn't necessary mean that you have no ethics.",,Anonymous,1531794386270.jpg,k5WhpdNQsXla75cAwzn+fg==,IT,,1533191883
180882121,180888341,2018-08-02 06:38:40,">>180882121
Lol neither matter, human life is worthless in itself, its what you do with it that matters",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1533191920
180882121,180888396,2018-08-02 06:39:40,>>180888277,,Anonymous,(((art))).png,hYkxxS9B6JMKX8cPZlsGRQ==,IT,,1533191980
180882121,180888429,2018-08-02 06:40:15,">>180888341
>Let's bin all of our hammers, it's only the driving of nails that matters.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1533192015
180882121,180888522,2018-08-02 06:41:48,">>180888277
You have unbroken footage of your mother documenting her entire life? Remember that each moment that isn't acounted for might be one where she indulges in her lust for nigger dong.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533192108
180882121,180888607,2018-08-02 06:43:32,"Has anyone got the enlightenment meme...
>Pro choice < pro life < what race is it?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533192212
180882121,180888608,2018-08-02 06:43:32,">>180882659
Dont forget about the Jews too.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533192212
180882121,180888615,2018-08-02 06:43:40,">>180888522
Yeah nah, you areen't a scientist, and you don't get to require scientific research out of non scientists to win an argument, fuck off retard.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1533192220
180882121,180888678,2018-08-02 06:44:43,">>180882121
>atheism
>amerikike flag
>defending muslims
Lol kike step by step at least...",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1533192283
180882121,180888780,2018-08-02 06:46:37,">>180882121
the second one put herself in that the situation, the first one has no power over their situation",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533192397
180882121,180888913,2018-08-02 06:48:50,">>180888780
No need to justify anything. There is nothing wrong with caring more for the welfare of your family than total strangers, and nothing wrong with caring for your race above others.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533192530
180882121,180888968,2018-08-02 06:49:45,">>180888615
So your mother IS a masive whore for black alabama snake? A connoisseur of monkey loin juices? A mandingo fanatic? A rider of black bulls? A Gorilla tamer?
The world needs to know!",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533192585
180882121,180889101,2018-08-02 06:52:28,">>180888913
i'm just showing that by their own logic its a retarded argument
don't go on a dinghy boat with smugglers if you don't want to die",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1533192748
180882121,180889489,2018-08-02 07:00:00,">>180882121
Slide thread.
We have this exact thread five times a week. An unborn child has no sin. A child that has been sent across an open ocean by shit parents is not our problem.
Take responsibility for your own fucking kid, nigger.
Sage, report and hide.",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1533193200
180882121,180889587,2018-08-02 07:01:42,">>180882121
>Atheism on the rise in the West.
>Society and culture declines
Hmmmm....",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533193302
180882121,180889714,2018-08-02 07:04:08,">>180882121
Hey Shlomo, why do you insist to teach the goyim there's no logos in the world?",,Anonymous,unnamed.jpg,wpYZkCBdrFyniijz1M1/Bg==,BR,,1533193448
180882121,180889896,2018-08-02 07:07:29,">>180888968
The world however didn't need to know that you were a faggot, but we learned it nonetheless.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1533193649
180882121,180890584,2018-08-02 07:20:06,">>180889896
Well, it's not me who spend childhood moping negro ooze off the floor every day.",,Anonymous,,,PL,,1533194406
180882121,180892924,2018-08-02 08:00:30,">>180882121
That brown life matters as long as it says in Africa. It has no value in Europe.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1533196830
180882121,180892945,2018-08-02 08:00:46,">>180882121
That brown life matters as long as it stays in Africa. It has no value in Europe.",,Anonymous,,,IE,,1533196846
180882121,180895648,2018-08-02 08:42:37,">>180882370
>>180882121
It doesnt really matter, i dont let the Aids virus in my body just because it would die without it.
That little girl is Aids.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533199357
181082032,181082032,2018-08-03 23:07:34,"We understand that the purpose of life is reproduction. To win we must reproduce 
We Atheist must impregnate as many roasties as possible!!!
We will Win
We will exist 
We will dominate!!!
Fertile atheist UNITE 
We are the future",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,gfgdfgdfg.jpg,aIF+ttQY+kzDXuyDbZ2GzQ==,US,,1533337654
181082032,181082276,2018-08-03 23:10:15,">>181082032
shameless bump",,Anonymous,gdfgdfgdfgd.jpg,gM+YN8ACifA49mR+Gqkbng==,US,,1533337815
181082032,181082404,2018-08-03 23:11:41,">>181082276
https://youtu.be/ehuEaLvA1B4?t=4m12s",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533337901
181082032,181082553,2018-08-03 23:13:07,">>181082032
Pagans will skin you alive.
and also the christians
and the mudslimes",,Anonymous,hitler car.webm,0z6MVu6kTNbPFZPUh3rxiA==,DE,,1533337987
181082032,181082685,2018-08-03 23:14:40,">>181082276
Not political. Sage.
And knocking up a bunch of roasties will just bleed you dry financially while the bitch sends whatever potato-spawn her expiring ovaries decided to phone in off to daycare while Tyrone pumps and dumps her. 
Wait. You SHOULD do all this.",,Sage,,,US,,1533338080
181082032,181082843,2018-08-03 23:16:29,">>181082032
Nigga are you retarded? Looks like some has to teach you to BELIEVE",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1533338189
181082032,181082863,2018-08-03 23:16:38,">God's not re-
Woah wait a minute...",,Anonymous,proteins.gif,4cvL5rx5Lxq9BGpCOMYFhw==,CA,,1533338198
181082032,181082875,2018-08-03 23:16:44,">>181082032
retarded fucking christcuck trying to larp as an atheist to push his shitty religion SAGE",,SAGE,1531166118606.jpg,nqTSCcJUICnFAea3Jxi6ZA==,IS,,1533338204
181082032,181082917,2018-08-03 23:17:16,>cuck general,,Anonymous,,,MX,,1533338236
181082032,181083040,2018-08-03 23:18:48,">>181082863
>That's just a coincidence you filthy goy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533338328
181082032,181083268,2018-08-03 23:21:10,">>181083040
>First there was nothing then it exploded then it smashed together for quadrillions of years before enough dice-rolls produced the human eye out of water that could also replicate itself
ummm no sweetie",,Anonymous,motorProtein.gif,ycARB9R8yjODNZGBM8espg==,CA,,1533338470
181082032,181083353,2018-08-03 23:22:11,Let's talk about our lack of faith.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1533338531
181082032,181083381,2018-08-03 23:22:38,">>181083268
this is just physical phenomena such as electromagnetism and chemical reactions goy, 100% pure coincidence",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1533338558
181082032,181085176,2018-08-03 23:42:17,Type alex is a stupid nigger in chat.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1533339737
181082032,181085693,2018-08-03 23:47:25,">>181082032
Wherever Christianity fades, it isn't replaced by a secular utopia like short-sighted atheists imagine, but rather is replaced by another religion. 
As usual, the law of unintended consequences swoops in to fuck up all the half-witted lefties plans.",,Anonymous,wizard.png,C29WjK+wLZHyDnBGFLOJPg==,US,,1533340045
181082032,181087107,2018-08-04 00:03:35,">>181082032
>>181082276
This cringy thread again? Are you the same faggot that makes the Nazgoth threads and wants us all to dress like tranny Marlin Manson??",,Anonymous,,,US,,1533341015
181082032,181087309,2018-08-04 00:05:48,">>181082032
It hurts i know but GOD did all the work you just to stubborn to accept it
https://streamable.com/m2s3b",,Anonymous,1532492191764.jpg,QHve2Ti0kOCGtBzwbiNZcg==,US,,1533341148
181996378,181996378,2018-08-12 01:11:32,Please let go of your bullshit and get in line,Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1531388359403.jpg,pM5eeGermAHZyghj2+E4Vg==,US,,1534036292
181996378,181996619,2018-08-12 01:15:31,">>181996378
Anon, the new meme is Agnostic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534036531
181996378,181996636,2018-08-12 01:15:51,">>181996378
You're literally too stupid to know how stupid you are",,Anonymous,1531778094692.png,6jj6xjrWxJCEwHo3b+rMcg==,US,,1534036551
181996378,181996707,2018-08-12 01:17:20,">>181996636
That's a lot of religions there, please tell me which is true?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534036640
181996378,181996907,2018-08-12 01:20:31,">>181996707
Read the list. The one with a spiritual leader who licks refugee feet is the one true faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534036831
181996378,181997065,2018-08-12 01:22:57,">>181996378
You are a cuck
Be an anti-theist, religions have tried to kill us for pretty much all history, its time to destroy religion for good.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1534036977
181996378,181997126,2018-08-12 01:23:48,">>181996907
But they all believe they're the right one. What makes the catholic apostolic church different than the others?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534037028
181996378,181997222,2018-08-12 01:25:08,">>181996636
>Is Catholic
>Calls people stupid 
Oh that's funny
>Inb4 Prot heretic
I'm non-denominational",,Anonymous,,,PH,,1534037108
181996378,181997355,2018-08-12 01:27:06,">>181996636
Based infographic. 
Atheists, Proddy scum, and Moslems can all whine about how they are intellectually superior, when in reality, their misunderstanding of the basic axioms of Aristotleanism are what make them the stupidest of all.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534037226
181997752,181997752,2018-08-12 01:33:23,"Christians are docile and subservient by nature
Women are more religious than men
Real men don't take that kind of bullshit",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1531102559889.jpg,7bqmVF6p1JAWhp74bP7bqQ==,US,,1534037603
181997752,181998481,2018-08-12 01:44:49,">>181997752
Praying for you",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534038289
181997752,181998540,2018-08-12 01:46:00,>atheism,,Anonymous,Fedora Ron - Tip Hero.jpg,d7grUuLpZtdmB7K/q9kOLg==,,,1534038360
181997752,181998680,2018-08-12 01:48:08,">>181997752
Mentally strong, physically strong, and simultaneously logical people are very rare, and so christians are the next best thing. They lack mental strength as individuals, but at least they can keep a society together.",,Anonymous,,,,,1534038488
181997752,181998974,2018-08-12 01:53:16,">>181997752
>Christians are Docile
>Women are more religious then men
What a low effort slide thread Christiansanos don’t bother with the fedora posting and just sage this shit.",,Anonymous,C4979562-A4F6-4CC5-85D9-1E1F1ABE1D00.jpg,0fTJupbAsZ8wBwgaIx4V+w==,US,,1534038796
181997752,181999581,2018-08-12 02:03:07,">>181997752
I have been an anti-theist basicly all my life, since the 80s. Although most white christians have always treated me exactly the same way i treated them even when i would criticize their views or them as people.
People are certainly not all equally fit and sometime i think faith is a serious flaw, although there is little doubt in my mind that white christians are still my family. I would rather defend them from other hostile races then align against them with even crazier beliefs that are fueled by a much more malicious narcissism.
Iv met few white chrisitans that would have any problem sharing the world with anyone that isnt hostile towards them as long as they want to live in their own land segregated away from them.
If nothing else i respect them for that and understand that is not a trait most other cultures/races have.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534039387
182427543,182427543,2018-08-15 22:16:26,Stop baby sitting subhumans and explore the universe,Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1528218379869.jpg,2iXDu5Yl0aCMq26SoRVP9A==,US,,1534371386
182427543,182428161,2018-08-15 22:23:06,">>182427543
Stop having babies with real women.",,Anonymous,1517187951846.png,S7VK2pBl62Mi/hWf6VE0Ew==,,,1534371786
182427543,182428351,2018-08-15 22:25:18,I am pretty sure that atheism was subverted. It used to be heavily based around isolationism from authoritarian governments and politics. The goal was to advance scientifically. Women and shit skins fucked it up. If you want Atheism to return to the glory that it began as you need to detach it from identity politics and t he victim complex.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1534371918
182427543,182428557,2018-08-15 22:27:31,Sage you fedora scum,,Anonymous,,,US,,1534372051
182427543,182428631,2018-08-15 22:28:29,"Look man, we are already doing it but that is not a reason to just leave our superstitious kin to their own devices. Just give them some time, religion is losing importance on a growing pace.
And you cant just fart out new technology, shit takes time if we want to do it properly",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1534372109
182427543,182428700,2018-08-15 22:29:14,kill sub humans with the power of god,,Anonymous,1530925833213.jpg,LtwZIuBJHDeHAl2JUUt/WQ==,US,,1534372154
182427543,182428738,2018-08-15 22:29:41,"There is no god, and that is terrifying.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534372181
182427543,182428914,2018-08-15 22:31:39,">>182428351
>atheism was subverted
Atheism was Jewish from its inception, you historically illiterate faggot. 
http://www.milobookclub.com/mart/TIA_free.pdf",,Anonymous,communist jews.jpg,bu7f0KrOnQrtpLvtgTPhOw==,US,,1534372299
182427543,182429029,2018-08-15 22:33:06,">>182427543
Atheism is the reason why we have all the problems in the world. No objective values, just feelings.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534372386
182427543,182429109,2018-08-15 22:33:59,">>182427543
The Earth is FLAT",,Anonymous,flat earth.jpg,+9gWKBz2FxL//B488/+E2w==,US,,1534372439
182427543,182429114,2018-08-15 22:34:04,">>182427543
I would have more respect for atheists if they weren't all commie abortionists.",,Anonymous,,,NZ,,1534372444
182427543,182429301,2018-08-15 22:36:12,">>182429114
Im an atheist and Im not a communist nor I do I accept abortion",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1534372572
182427543,182429346,2018-08-15 22:36:48,">>182429301
Nor do I*",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1534372608
182427543,182429885,2018-08-15 22:42:42,">>182429029
>look a sky daddy
>now we're being objective
literally kys",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1534372962
182427543,182429911,2018-08-15 22:42:57,">>182427543
Y'all promised Star Trek and delivered obesity and smugness.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534372977
182427543,182430023,2018-08-15 22:44:24,">>182428914
> free-thinking is a Jewish invention.",,Anonymous,ThomasPaine.jpg,TpZm4QhShGuoG+jmNZxXlg==,US,,1534373064
182427543,182430046,2018-08-15 22:44:33,">>182429911
Have we not made any progress in science and tech lately?",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1534373073
182427543,182430084,2018-08-15 22:45:02,">>182429301
nor does I",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373102
182427543,182430108,2018-08-15 22:45:21,">>182428738
THere being no god is not terrifying.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373121
182427543,182430141,2018-08-15 22:45:41,">>182427543
>just_call_them_niggers.webm",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1534373141
182427543,182430199,2018-08-15 22:46:23,The French Revolution unleashed the plague of atheism on the world. I hope Robspierre is happy in hell,,Anonymous,6C3D8C29-069C-46B7-9EFF-8F1C8B1ED5CB.jpg,pRIjx2JbxH/snoTXsEtmEQ==,US,,1534373183
182427543,182430221,2018-08-15 22:46:36,">>182428738
What is so terrifying?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373196
182427543,182430343,2018-08-15 22:47:52,">>182427543
I want to fuck that drawing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373272
182427543,182430349,2018-08-15 22:47:58,">>182430046
None. All that's left is to pray the aliens arrive soon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373278
182427543,182430384,2018-08-15 22:48:22,">>182430343
As long as it's just the right side, you are okay.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373302
182427543,182430398,2018-08-15 22:48:36,">>182428351
>subverting subversion
Irony.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1534373316
182427543,182430475,2018-08-15 22:49:35,">>182427543
Autism general lmao",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373375
182427543,182430539,2018-08-15 22:50:17,">>182427543
Atheism will never work as a path to progress, because it will always be hijacked by nihilists and edgy contrarians. 
What we need is a cult of the machine-god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373417
182427543,182430666,2018-08-15 22:51:42,">Doesn't understand what 'God' is
How stupid are people here",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1534373502
182427543,182430760,2018-08-15 22:52:51,">>182428351
It's just the issue of irreligion being a core tenant of Communism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373571
182427543,182430792,2018-08-15 22:53:06,">>182430539
Elaborate on this machine god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373586
182427543,182430874,2018-08-15 22:54:02,">>182430349
Sorry man they arent coming. Unless they have figured out a way to cheat the laws of physics we would already see them coming",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1534373642
182427543,182430911,2018-08-15 22:54:25,">>182427543
>Stop getting married",,Anonymous,B59F06CA-6AF0-4AA2-A722-7690055CDF5F.png,XUbLSiII+2STVeHEyz8m+w==,US,,1534373665
182427543,182431131,2018-08-15 22:57:08,">>182430666
sorry if i dont bleive in your magik sky wizard, im not a dumps heep, im an intelllgent human bean and yes, i wathc rick and morty
[spoiler:lit]trips of truth[/spoiler:lit]",,Anonymous,1532098163190.jpg,Xj/nNbiHgKzi4hcM1L7qlg==,ES,,1534373828
182427543,182431142,2018-08-15 22:57:21,">>182428351
>My ideology, which was the very epitome of Jewish tricks, meant to cut people off from their creator was subverted",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373841
182427543,182431161,2018-08-15 22:57:35,">>182427543
I think Carl Sagan explained atheism the best:
>An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373855
182427543,182431195,2018-08-15 22:58:00,">>182431131
super fucking gay",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534373880
182427543,182431238,2018-08-15 22:58:26,">>182427543
If only real life were as super dooper as 1970s airbrush fantasy art.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1534373906
182427543,182431533,2018-08-15 23:02:12,">>182430023
Thomas Paine was a subversive
>>182430199
Amen to that
>>182430539
You sound like Kurzweil after a peyote trip
>>182431238
I do find that art quite comfy tbqh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534374132
182427543,182431572,2018-08-15 23:02:42,">>182431195
YEs, atheist are a PROUD part of the lgbt movment, WE atheist suport SCIENCE",,Anonymous,1532097657882.jpg,Dt1y46yfV7p9YVahYUHbUg==,ES,,1534374162
182427543,182431607,2018-08-15 23:03:01,">>182431238
if only",,Anonymous,1521182639930.png,a6Oh+QabdPS3PNNMQ7XHCw==,US,,1534374181
182427543,182431692,2018-08-15 23:04:19,atheism: is for faggots,,Anonymous,1534289386230.jpg,0lPh/sLj50fdklTqO/2HMA==,US,,1534374259
182427543,182431732,2018-08-15 23:04:44,>>182427543,,Anonymous,1534366998605.jpg,vQB7JF5Mil/22qDs7cH0+w==,US,,1534374284
182427543,182431854,2018-08-15 23:06:07,>>182429029,,Anonymous,D8DE77B0-3080-485F-8613-ED17D99EA63C.jpg,skzFY3u59fTqz8YnK+KuGg==,AU,,1534374367
182427543,182431859,2018-08-15 23:06:10,">>182431572
....but transgender and all that bullshit has no fucking evidence. its just all mental illnesses. there are only two genders and science has supported that for the longest time. what you are speaking of is scientism which is just another stupid religion.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534374370
182427543,182431872,2018-08-15 23:06:19,">>182430343
Artist is Boris Vallejo.",,Anonymous,6536785605_c3910d303c_b.jpg,+D2r3JQsYv8bHD3UTpK0lg==,US,,1534374379
182427543,182432252,2018-08-15 23:11:17,">>182431859
Who cares about 'supported science'?
When you are fucking someone in the ass, on the daily, you have brain problems and low problem solving skills.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1534374677
182427543,182432285,2018-08-15 23:11:38,">>182431859
How would you explain hermaphroditism in plants? Are those plants brainwashed leftists?",,Anonymous,A4A7ACC4-CE0E-44ED-BA44-7EF7E3B7AF66.png,ko1A9RqagYIH4B8RDVMpiA==,AU,,1534374698
182427543,182432482,2018-08-15 23:14:01,">>182432285
the difference is they dont the plants dont paint their hair crazy colors and have bleed ins as protest and try their best to destroy the very environment that supports them and allows them to exist.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534374841
182427543,182432486,2018-08-15 23:14:03,">>182432285
Transgenderism in humans as a mental illness =/= biological hermaphroditism. Seahorses have male pregnancy but that doesn't mean a human male who wants to carry a child is any less mentally ill. This is a shitty, lazy, argument.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534374843
182427543,182432560,2018-08-15 23:15:07,">>182427543
>Doesn't believe in god.
>turns that human desire to believe in a higher power into ""believing science""
atheists are fucking morons",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534374907
182427543,182432654,2018-08-15 23:16:20,">>182431859
no biggot, its not mental illnesss, its the next step to reach the true science, and we are reaching it, now we jst needto acceot pedofiles onto our lines, WE FIGHTFO R FREEDOMN WE WILL SLAY ALL OF YOU BIGGOTS",,Anonymous,lw1udcrgvdgx.jpg,ZjTMUx8m3Y4/FMaGIzb/0g==,ES,,1534374980
182427543,182432760,2018-08-15 23:17:36,the absolute state of atheists.,,Anonymous,file.png,RKNs4I86ja8xPzZeLZmk/Q==,US,,1534375056
182427543,182432773,2018-08-15 23:17:47,">>182428914
>not believing in a deity is a Jewish invention",,Anonymous,1531833195698.png,4JsQAaxg8ZzLyAZJW2JeGA==,US,,1534375067
182427543,182432778,2018-08-15 23:17:52,">>182432654
hahahahahhahahhaha thanks. I appreciate your humor.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534375072
182427543,182432784,2018-08-15 23:17:56,">>182429029
>Atheists have fewer children
>Most problems today are because of overpopulation",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1534375076
182427543,182432865,2018-08-15 23:18:51,">>182431692
absolutely disgusting",,Anonymous,,,US,,1534375131
182427543,182433082,2018-08-15 23:21:23,>>182429109,,Anonymous,hand.jpg,G4oPY6geToMPPjMl9Bz1Nw==,,,1534375283
182427543,182433225,2018-08-15 23:23:21,">>182427543
Yours is a cult of death",,Anonymous,1534217773294.png,wkN7aNBt+wvlydiZqIpmWg==,US,,1534375401
183633654,183633654,2018-08-26 22:04:23,"join us as our leader gifts his wisdom to us plebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnZI8oeKA20",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1528218379869.jpg,2iXDu5Yl0aCMq26SoRVP9A==,US,,1535321063
183633654,183633766,2018-08-26 22:05:49,">>183633654
real talk, no bulshit",,Anonymous,reallybro.jpg,zpZrJ1nW90aL9EhhY6gjAw==,US,,1535321149
183633654,183634443,2018-08-26 22:13:32,">>183633766
That's because white people have souls.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1535321612
183633654,183634918,2018-08-26 22:18:42,">>183633766
nobody said one life was worth more than another, all life is sacred
abortion is murder",,Anonymous,,,US,,1535321922
183633654,183634928,2018-08-26 22:18:48,">>183633654
cram your Frank Frazetta knock-off up your ass",,Anonymous,FrankFranzetta_Tanar_of_Pellucidar.jpg,5fKaPuw1TdmpU45FAFrtfQ==,US,,1535321928
183633654,183634974,2018-08-26 22:19:10,">>183633654
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/228798/20180530/massive-genetic-study-reveals-90-percent-of-earth-s-animals-appeared-at-the-same-time.htm
https://answersingenesis.org/natural-selection/speciation/study-90-percent-of-species-have-recent-origin/
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36303-90-of-species-on-Earth-today-came-into-being-100-000-to-200-000-ybp
90 % of all species came to being at the same time as humans
Atheists BTFO",,Anonymous,,,US,,1535321950
183633654,183635157,2018-08-26 22:21:06,">>183633766
>that brown life doesn’t matter unless it wants to enter America
Not obvious at all shill mcshillingstein",,Anonymous,,,US,,1535322066
183633654,183635878,2018-08-26 22:28:32,">>183633654
Atheists are the biggest idiots on the planet",,Anonymous,,,US,,1535322512
183633654,183637919,2018-08-26 22:50:37,">>183635878
Is this opposites day ?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1535323837
183633654,183638582,2018-08-26 22:58:20,">>183634928
fuck you, Boris Vallejo > Frank Frazetta any day (although Frazetta definitely deserves respect)",,Anonymous,,,US,,1535324300
183633654,183638860,2018-08-26 23:01:57,">>183633654
Penguin feet. Think about that.",,Anonymous,penguins.jpg,VQg26jmq+rzaqOYF5vBTwg==,US,,1535324517
185772824,185772824,2018-09-15 05:43:33,"""When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.""
--- Richard Dawkins
>wealthier people are significantly less likely to believe in god
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/belief-in-god/by/income-distribution/
>64% of evangelicals don't believe in evolution
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/
>religious people are more likely to be violent, get a divorce, and have unprotected sex
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/misinformation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion
>partial list of all 4,200 religions in the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions
>Richard Dawkins crushes retarded Creationists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1RnwbFIps
>Christian cringe compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ibEaIPtMk
>Styxhexenhammer: Read the Bible, become a better Atheist 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulk7QGfMgA4",/ag/ Atheism General -- Christians are retards edition,Anonymous,retarded bullshit.jpg,11vyMwDpFwlI4W0TmbruTA==,US,,1536990213
185772824,185772977,2018-09-15 05:46:33,">>185772824
0/10",,Anonymous,,,,,1536990393
185772824,185773003,2018-09-15 05:47:13,">>185772824
Good post",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536990433
185772824,185773043,2018-09-15 05:48:15,Read René Guénon.,,Anonymous,,,,,1536990495
185772824,185773250,2018-09-15 05:52:04,">>185772824
God made fossils for us to explore, kike retard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536990724
185772824,185773282,2018-09-15 05:52:38,Ya'll mothafuckas need Jesus.,,Anonymous,,,UY,,1536990758
185772824,185773337,2018-09-15 05:53:38,">>185773250
>hurrr",,Anonymous,average christian.png,KYXk68fvQn/Wn2p3h7NoNQ==,US,,1536990818
185772824,185773339,2018-09-15 05:53:40,"Stop worshiping CGI pictures, goy.",,Anonymous,math.jpg,McVDcoiyKAjt3QAYclkx4Q==,US,,1536990820
185772824,185773452,2018-09-15 05:55:53,This thread is the equivalent of putting a public library in the nigger part of town. Nobody's gonna look at any of it and the whole place is gonna be covered in shit at the end.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1536990953
185772824,185773533,2018-09-15 05:57:22,">>185773452
We need to stop the christian virus somehow",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536991042
185772824,185773537,2018-09-15 05:57:25,">>185772824
This is a Christian board and You're not wellcome. Sage and reported.",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1536991045
185772824,185773597,2018-09-15 05:58:33,">>185773537
>announcing your reports",,Anonymous,1534230493637.png,YAvebLZIK26lNAvFuskT5w==,US,,1536991113
185772824,185773752,2018-09-15 06:01:18,">>185772824
low test",,.,SAGE.jpg,Y+0LFhzyF5lYvAjCjZq2TQ==,US,,1536991278
185772824,185773787,2018-09-15 06:01:55,">>185772824
>Not Muslims
>Not Buddhists
>Not Hindus
>Not Jews 
>Let’s get them Christians!
You have the backbone of a jelllyfish and are likely a leftwing retard far more delusional than the vast majority of Christians.",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1536991315
185772824,185773867,2018-09-15 06:03:34,">>185772824
Thank you Atheism for letting Islam run amok in the world.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536991414
185772824,185773959,2018-09-15 06:05:22,">>185773867
>>185773787
>Implying christians are doing anything to stop muslims apart from kissing refugee feet
""no""",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536991522
185772824,185773994,2018-09-15 06:06:06,,,Anonymous,1532886915271m.jpg,8MN0C1VPPdsOpiIAfzWD3Q==,US,,1536991566
185772824,185774072,2018-09-15 06:07:28,">>185772824
>Atheists always attack Christians 
Why are atheists so spitefully retarded? 
Taoists 
Hindus 
Bhuddists
Zoroastrians
Celtic/Nordic/Sumerian/Greek/Roman mythos 
Jewish
Muslim
Deistic 
Esoteric theistic, philosophical (Plato), religious idealism
Even pantheists or panentheists
But they always, without myopic fail, Target Christians; pathetic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536991648
185772824,185774141,2018-09-15 06:08:58,">>185774072
Christians are just such easy targets",,Anonymous,raptor jesus.jpg,DdOmZQWPDb+NzrFMLxwmEw==,US,,1536991738
185772824,185774161,2018-09-15 06:09:18,">>185772824
we get christian, muslim and now hindu generals on /pol/ and the mods never delete them. they belong on /x/ if anywhere, not here.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536991758
185772824,185774188,2018-09-15 06:09:41,>>185773959,,Anonymous,4DBEA031-B96D-4F0F-AB1D-046C3352AB8F.jpg,VZ0ajhmPJid59E/jq0Ey0w==,AU,,1536991781
185772824,185774290,2018-09-15 06:12:21,">>185772824
>I hold no strong beliefs and will likely never reproduce and but for some reason all people are equal 
modern atheism is a despot on the west and brings no nuance to the table you just run a muck and turn into nations of whores with no real directions. a lack of faith is understandable, lack of any true morals (subjective morality) or any goals as a people is a plague",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536991941
185772824,185774426,2018-09-15 06:15:23,">>185774188
>retards with retarded ideologies tend to have more retarded ideologies
Republicans will not do shit against islam, you literally cant make a muslim ban or whatever",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536992123
185772824,185774450,2018-09-15 06:15:54,">>185773452
>>185773533
you fedoras and skeptic fucks used to be tolerable. the last couple of months (oddly timed with increases in shill activities...) have felt like a 2008 time warp to atheist+, ""brights"" bullshit.
you want to be godless heathens thats alright. also good to see a general for once too instead of stinking up an already shitty catalog with the same dumb teeny provocative atheist bullshit threads every twenty minutes.
Jesus is coming soon",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992154
185772824,185774481,2018-09-15 06:16:31,>>185772824,,Anonymous,1523096470059.jpg,Ht/48YdUN5B3auki1MxgkA==,RO,,1536992191
185772824,185774505,2018-09-15 06:16:50,">>185774188
Catholics are truly the cancer of Christianity",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1536992210
185772824,185774512,2018-09-15 06:17:03,">>185774290
they turn into worshipers of the state, or slowly bleed into solipsism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992223
185772824,185774536,2018-09-15 06:17:33,">>185772824
>Christians are retards edition
Why do atheists only attack Christianity?
Serious question.",,Anonymous,B8B6EC04-8345-4651-8BED-1A346E393107.gif,8l6UUHcrYkzb/JA+KpjMvA==,US,,1536992253
185772824,185774544,2018-09-15 06:17:40,,,Anonymous,imagine no religion.jpg,tybej147HcHthPPIKHcJVw==,EG,,1536992260
185772824,185774575,2018-09-15 06:18:10,">>185774450
>Jesus is coming soon
riding on a purple dinosaur to consume your soul",,Anonymous,raptor jesus1.jpg,pgbRKejuB3GCwubNiuCULw==,US,,1536992290
185772824,185774577,2018-09-15 06:18:16,">>185772824
atheism is the biggest contemporary meme",,Anonymous,5d779a95-b2f2-45fc-b57f-cbb6db3cd65e.jpg,/TQ0kfPj+Q7Fc89Zo+WCyQ==,RO,,1536992296
185772824,185774626,2018-09-15 06:19:26,">>185774141
That makes atheists even easier targets. 
Atheists have never read Sun Tzu’s Art of War and they never know their enemy. The closest they can get is Christianity because most atheists are spiteful ex-Christian edge lords with no understanding of other religion. Christianity is an easy target for these imbecilic spawn because they know no other religion. They fail to see the philosophical value in actual religion because science is their religion and theory is their god. No different from Christians and equally as dogmatic.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992366
185772824,185774660,2018-09-15 06:20:11,">>185774426
go be a little bitch and cry out your cunt someplace else. leftypol has plenty of dawkins fellators and ""skeptics"" over there. in fact they come around here and make antichristian threads occasionally. why dont you join them?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992411
185772824,185774663,2018-09-15 06:20:13,">>185772824
atheists are the easiest demographic to assblast",,Anonymous,WORLD_#039_S DUMBEST RELIGION - Copy.jpg,HjJh+aqKUolm5P/lsCD+Dg==,RO,,1536992413
185772824,185774705,2018-09-15 06:21:14,">>185774141
>Target
Your evil is showing",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992474
185772824,185774725,2018-09-15 06:21:36,">>185774575
thats pretty corny, bro. go watch some penn and teller",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992496
185772824,185774776,2018-09-15 06:22:46,">>185774660
>l-leave my safe space
No faggot, christianism is finally dead and we will enjoy dancing on its grave for a long time",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536992566
185772824,185774788,2018-09-15 06:23:05,">>185774536
reason in individuals heads 
>most people grew up getting force fed a watered down milk toast religions and find a (or be told) fault in it rather than make an attempt to understand or reconcile with it they abandon it out right.
geo-political reason
>probably (((subjective morality))) the biggest shit stain on humanity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992585
185772824,185774819,2018-09-15 06:23:49,">>185774536
because a lot of western atheist either grew up christian or were raised in a christian community and its the religion most familiar to them.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536992629
185772824,185774830,2018-09-15 06:24:03,Atheism is truly the religion of the dumb,,Anonymous,bs.png,iFcUS5y6NQQ9VhHLqsIDiw==,RO,,1536992643
185772824,185774858,2018-09-15 06:24:33,">>185774788
Accurate.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992673
185772824,185774990,2018-09-15 06:27:02,">>185774776
Awe..
You’re retarded...
Are you lost little guy?",,Anonymous,42662312-D43E-4B4D-BCDE-665E0AC7019C.gif,BmQm9dO2X6r45tq3qh3Zuw==,US,,1536992822
185772824,185775034,2018-09-15 06:27:52,">>185774776
the whole western world is your safe space you little bitch. there are no safe spaces for Christians except in small pockets. you commie satanist fucks have subverted everything with your positivism and postmodernism. deconstructing to build a new tower of babel. you fucks are literally part of the synagogue of satan",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992872
185772824,185775092,2018-09-15 06:29:12,">>185774788
>getting force fed a watered down milk toast religions
Not my question 
Atheists have a hard-on for Christianity..
Specifically... I don’t get it...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992952
185772824,185775115,2018-09-15 06:29:45,">>185774819
That’s circular reasoning and bullshit",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536992985
185772824,185775193,2018-09-15 06:31:33,">>185774858
>Accurate
If you can’t understand questions",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993093
185772824,185775272,2018-09-15 06:33:31,">>185775034
>commie satanist fucks
You got it wrong, postmodernist atheism is the only true ahteism, the typical sjw liberal is just a masked christian that replaced god with social justice. We will keep deconstructing your retarded beliefs to free the mind of your limiting dogmas, be it christianism islam or marxism, fuck your beliefs.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536993211
185772824,185775353,2018-09-15 06:35:04,">>185775092
every atheist has a special axe to grind with the religion he was born with most people in western countries are christian so most western atheist have their problems with christianity, add this to the political push to rid society of religion, it’s just logic that the first one they target will be christanity",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993304
185772824,185775382,2018-09-15 06:35:46,">>185774830
Evidence of his existence doesn't prove that he was the son of God.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536993346
185772824,185775475,2018-09-15 06:37:34,">>185772824
all people following Abrahamic faiths are fucked...not just the christians...although christians are the biggest cucks.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536993454
185772824,185775482,2018-09-15 06:37:43,">>185775382
Blasphemy",,Anonymous,unknown (1).png,yXZ05O43MBHS8IZTpZRIyA==,RO,,1536993463
185772824,185775486,2018-09-15 06:37:46,All Hail The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church,,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993466
185772824,185775575,2018-09-15 06:39:13,"Half-thinking beasts still feel the need to justify their existence, thus religion was born.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536993553
185772824,185775604,2018-09-15 06:39:42,https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ogSttUF9mbo,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536993582
185772824,185775615,2018-09-15 06:39:53,">>185775575
You know this how?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993593
185772824,185775630,2018-09-15 06:40:15,">>185774161
this guy for President",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536993615
185772824,185775729,2018-09-15 06:41:50,"This has been beaten to death a long time ago. People at or above ""gifted"" intelligence levels don't need some desert cult to keep them being decent. Less intelligent people on the other hand, need to have some stable and absolute belief system they can fall back to. 
>inb4 militant atheists are smart
No, trying to convert religious people to your belief system is the same as using muh Jesus as an argument.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536993710
185772824,185775733,2018-09-15 06:41:52,">>185775115
im agnostic but i was brought up christian. even though i dont believe any of it anymore i still think christianity has a lot of good points to it. i might criticize religion or belief in a god but i dont target just christianity. christian beliefs are much better for a society than islam for example.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536993712
185772824,185775741,2018-09-15 06:42:03,">>185775630
You are stupid as fuck!
Your assertion is child tier",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993723
185772824,185775801,2018-09-15 06:43:04,">>185775630
And, so is the anon you’re responding to",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993784
185772824,185775831,2018-09-15 06:43:44,">>185775272
ahh so YOU will succeed in squaring the circle this time, not like all the others before you who tried and failed, or tried and died... wont happen bro as the Church will survive till the last day.
i tell you in truth, though. the church near the very end will seem to die. many will think she passed from the earth, but Christ will save her through the worst times. the Church has to mirror the life of Our Lord. many thought Christ had died, but he is risen!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993824
185772824,185775837,2018-09-15 06:43:52,">>185775733
So.. why do atheists only attack Christianity?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993832
185772824,185775863,2018-09-15 06:44:21,">>185775615
Plenty of religions are predated by written history, their creation has been described in secondary sources.
It's a means to get people to accept eachother's existence as more than just contenders. 
Islam is a good example of this, but Christianity too served that unifying role in its starting days.
By calming the beasts they were forged into a force that could stand against chaos and decaying empires... but it didn't elevate them.
It just helped preserve them by giving them ""reason"".",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536993861
185772824,185775928,2018-09-15 06:45:13,">>185775115
not circular reasoning",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536993913
185772824,185775934,2018-09-15 06:45:19,">>185772824
Atheism without a strong connection to your people and values is folly. Same thing with Christianity. Basically anything that results in the extinction of your people is brainlet tier and should be stopped.",,Anonymous,1416167438798.jpg,FR3egwa9ubVyPDLBqiKGZg==,US,,1536993919
185772824,185776060,2018-09-15 06:47:38,">>185775741
>>185775801
>Obese little fuck who hasn't been able to wipe his own ass since Oreos came in ice cream format thinks I am dumb... yet fat fuck is eating himself into an early grave.
My life is over!
the bible should come in 3-ply, it is so full of shit already.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536994058
185772824,185776151,2018-09-15 06:49:33,">>185775934
>Christianity is true because they have a higher birthrate",,Anonymous,hide the pain.png,0LJyxZpoidjR8j8G/YMPRQ==,US,,1536994173
185772824,185776165,2018-09-15 06:49:54,">>185774626
>you want to be godless heathens thats alright. also good to see a general for once too instead of stinking up an already shitty catalog with the same dumb teeny provocative atheist bullshit threads every twenty minutes.
The ""noble"" lie is immoral and not a good long-term strategy with increasing information access.",,Anonymous,,,,,1536994194
185772824,185776261,2018-09-15 06:51:42,">>185775863
Islam is evil...
Still, sounds like that’s your opinion based on lessons you’ve learned from the physical world.
Why is a believe in the spiritual, somehow, just a coping mechanism? What’s the evidence? And, is it really evidence?
Reason can be boiled down to reflective survival instincts.
Your assertion, kinda posits, that survival wasn’t ingrained until religion.
Seems unnecessarily complicated",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536994302
185772824,185776275,2018-09-15 06:51:59,">>185775928
Ok..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536994319
185772824,185776285,2018-09-15 06:52:12,">>185775837
they don’t only attack christian’s there is a moderately large atheist movement in iran and they are anti-muslim. if you search hard enough you will probably find atheist attacking hinduism. and If you know how buddhism was treated in 1930s you will understand",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536994332
185772824,185776334,2018-09-15 06:53:13,">>185776060
Suicide isn’t good no matter how quick you do it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536994393
185772824,185776368,2018-09-15 06:53:54,">>185775729
Shouldn't you try educating people?",,Anonymous,,,,,1536994434
185772824,185776546,2018-09-15 06:56:52,">>185776285
Those aren’t the “Norm” anon, and you know it..
My question is valid.",,Anonymous,038B8536-A0C4-488E-89BC-3FC8C931FAFE.gif,5mI5AQ0IR83f07A1QLuirw==,US,,1536994612
185772824,185776574,2018-09-15 06:57:15,Fuck i really hope we'll put this religion non sense behind us sometime. Turns people into sheep and the christcucks bring in millions of immigrants because ''love thy neighbour'' bullshit and muh family values,,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536994635
185772824,185776665,2018-09-15 06:59:09,">>185776368
People don't like when their beliefs are contradicted or dissected, and their reaction will be confusion and aggression. Those who can will figure it out on their own.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536994749
185772824,185776690,2018-09-15 06:59:36,">>185776334
(((abrahamic faiths))) lead to the suicide of the soul. 
>Muh Jewsus is lord, muh Jewsus provides and loves me.....
>so why don't you quit your job and go around preaching his teachings? He was a carpenter, gave everything up and lived in extreme poverty.
>LOL...no way bro, I pick and choose what I believe from the good book",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536994776
185772824,185776696,2018-09-15 06:59:49,">>185772977
Fpbp checked /thread",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536994789
185772824,185776735,2018-09-15 07:00:33,">>185776665
Educating people helps though. How do you expect to deal with Muslims? We live in a nuclear world.",,Anonymous,,,,,1536994833
185772824,185776749,2018-09-15 07:00:46,">>185776574
indeed....
Jews: fuck yall, mo money
Muslims: fuck yall, die, die, die
Christians: fuck ya, slap me again and again.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536994846
185772824,185776801,2018-09-15 07:01:45,">>185776574
Belief in Jesus isn’t relegated only to organized religion, you epic turd.
You sound eneducated on the matter..
Only reason I mention it.",,Anonymous,0E43FD86-6DED-4636-9490-D61857E861C5.gif,6TWyLSnZsjmx46Y6zkeEmQ==,US,,1536994905
185772824,185776819,2018-09-15 07:02:10,">>185776574
most Christians are against it, most areligious people want the immigrants. the only Christians supporting the immigration are unitarian tier lefty protestants or the majority of Catholic churches who see them as fresh replacements. a high mjority of agnostics, atheists, and ""spiritual"" people are pro immigration",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536994930
185772824,185776839,2018-09-15 07:02:34,">>185772824
Proof that the Shroud of Turin is the Burial Cloth of Jesus Christ!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRB16BARvz0
Information Proves God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSmV2FlHDw",,Anonymous,1535873879422.png,5KBUKyuh98IbY4I7t5ELTA==,HU,,1536994954
185772824,185776881,2018-09-15 07:03:28,">>185776690
I'm sick of you idiots.
Jews Are Not Israel Or The Chosen People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1vhXlSkVHE",,Anonymous,1529230034713.jpg,3vQKaZqQFaA36sqkoxR19A==,HU,,1536995008
185772824,185776882,2018-09-15 07:03:30,">>185776690
Ok.. you’re stupid.. 
your paraphrasing is delusional and you’re clearly speaking out of your ass",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995010
185772824,185776951,2018-09-15 07:04:48,">>185775837
maybe because its become socially acceptable to bash christianity. if you say anything bad about islam or judaism you are a racist bigot but christianity is fair game.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536995088
185772824,185777031,2018-09-15 07:06:37,">>185776819
Wrong. Most of the immigrants that you see in western europe came as single males just to work. The plan was to send them back after they made their earnings like what Qatar does now. Than came in the christfags whining about ''family reunion'' and how these workers need their family with them, now we have whole enclaves of niggers and muslims.
Thanks christfags",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536995197
185772824,185777053,2018-09-15 07:07:07,">>185775801
>believing in talking snakes and flying chariots but calling other people ""dumb""",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536995227
185772824,185777078,2018-09-15 07:07:33,">>185776951
>Christianity The “Racist Old Whitey” Religion 
How’d that happen?",,Anonymous,15FAB657-D0F1-4190-9D84-F56BD1BF954F.gif,7IC3gEmWO3/Mo1ISZbgvcA==,US,,1536995253
185772824,185777095,2018-09-15 07:07:48,">>185776839
I listened to the first minute or so, do he only discuss why God must have created life?
If there's some proof that there must be a God, that still doesn't support any religion.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536995268
185772824,185777134,2018-09-15 07:08:32,">>185777053
Insinuating you know my beliefs is epically retarded",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995312
185772824,185777162,2018-09-15 07:09:05,">>185776801
>''eneducated'' on fairy tales
Guess i can live with that. I am educated on the fact that these christ loving idiots ruined my country by being the most naive fuckers ever",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536995345
185772824,185777174,2018-09-15 07:09:20,">>185776881
>>185776882
>fake christians that won't abandon their sinful lives
You are the most pathetic of people.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536995360
185772824,185777192,2018-09-15 07:09:45,">>185772824
So what are atheist are going to do when there are actually miracles in the world ? Join the Catholic church because the guy with miracles is satan ? or join the guys with miracles ?",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536995385
185772824,185777208,2018-09-15 07:10:00,">>185777162
Boo hoo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995400
185772824,185777254,2018-09-15 07:10:49,">>185777078
est das juden",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995449
185772824,185777285,2018-09-15 07:11:29,">>185777174
K.. and women laugh at you when they see you naked..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995489
185772824,185777288,2018-09-15 07:11:31,">>185776735
Attacking their religion's core beliefs, is counter productive because of the overlapping of the Abrahamic religions. What you need to do is outgrouping them and play the ""good religion-bad religion"" game.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536995491
185772824,185777362,2018-09-15 07:12:46,Commies did nothing wrong. All those christians deserved it.,,Anonymous,,,CA,,1536995566
185772824,185777491,2018-09-15 07:15:27,">>185777288
How does that work in the long-term with ever increasing access to nuclear weapons?",,Anonymous,,,,,1536995727
185772824,185777518,2018-09-15 07:15:54,">>185777031
those werent Christians you ape. where you getting this? bbc or some bullshit propaganda source? are you the same kind of dweeb that says nations like germany are largely majority christians while clearly they are godless fucks? you are the type that would believe merkel is a christian",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995754
185772824,185777580,2018-09-15 07:17:20,">>185777285
thanks for proving my point.
You Larp as a Christian but your soul is pure dog shit.
If you had faith you would be out preaching the teachings of jewsus like a good cuck",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1536995840
185772824,185777659,2018-09-15 07:19:03,">>185777162
wha? your country is falling apart because your intelligencia, political elites, and middle class are atheist, agnostic, or apostate Christians that are for murdering babies and fag marriage.
it is because the western nations have apostasized that they are falling apart and falling into the NWOs plans",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536995943
185772824,185777772,2018-09-15 07:21:00,">>185777288
or you could fight groups and individuals who do great evil and leave the petty hatred of faith to the side. you guys are products of the godless postmodern wickedness",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536996060
185772824,185777799,2018-09-15 07:21:20,">>185772977
fpbp",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1536996080
185772824,185777828,2018-09-15 07:21:59,">>185774072
Success breeds jealousy",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1536996119
185772824,185777985,2018-09-15 07:24:50,">>185777772
We are here to stay and to shit on everything thats sacred :^) God is dead",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536996290
185772824,185778018,2018-09-15 07:25:25,">>185777491
referring to Iran m8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536996325
185772824,185778112,2018-09-15 07:26:57,">>185777580
You think I’m larping as a Christian?
I believe in Jesus, sure..
That doesn’t mean I’ve gotta be nice.
This is the wilderness and you’re a lamb among wolves... sorry if I take a viscous swing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536996417
185772824,185778117,2018-09-15 07:27:00,">>185777985
and He has risen.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536996420
185772824,185778149,2018-09-15 07:27:34,">>185777134
you are asking why people single out christianity so i assumed you are a christian. christians usually believe what the bible says. am i wrong?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536996454
185772824,185778198,2018-09-15 07:28:32,">>185777659
My country isn't falling apart because niggers are killing their babies. And the christcucks don't mind fag marriage. 
Who is responsible for me hearing Turkish nonsense outside my house right now? the fucking christcucks that wanted all the import labour to live here with their entire family. The same christcucks decided to give them gibs.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536996512
185772824,185778241,2018-09-15 07:29:32,">>185774072
Christians are constantly forcung their beliefs on everything, even in your burgee goverment you have their influence. Muslims are annoying too but they seem far away",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536996572
185772824,185778277,2018-09-15 07:30:07,">>185778241
What is my government?",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1536996607
185772824,185778363,2018-09-15 07:31:49,>>>/r/eddit,,Anonymous,,,US,,1536996709
185772824,185778465,2018-09-15 07:33:36,">>185778198
Christians that support fag marriage are contradicting scripture and the faith. they are apostates who have baught into the ""new world"" of postmodern progressivism. this godlessness is the seed of the great evil. your worldviews are the same which have damned the west. you fucks are the cause of the downfall of the west",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536996816
185772824,185778478,2018-09-15 07:33:54,">>185777659
>all men are created equal
>turn the other cheek
>host refugees
>give to anyone who asks
a lot of the destructive western policies seem to come straight from the bible.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536996834
185772824,185778687,2018-09-15 07:38:05,">>185778465
>Christcucks mess your country up
>import violents races
>import violent religions
>this is somehow the fault of my views
Merkel is christian ffs",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536997085
185772824,185778829,2018-09-15 07:40:28,">>185778149
Yeah.. you’re kinda wrong.
My relationship with “Christianity” is a personal one.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997228
185772824,185778841,2018-09-15 07:40:41,">>185778687
>not true Muslim 
argument incoming",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536997241
185772824,185779012,2018-09-15 07:43:58,">>185778478
Yeah... that’s why it’s just now a problem..
You sound middle eastern m8",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997438
185772824,185779053,2018-09-15 07:44:36,">>185777985
You quote Nietzsche as if you read any of his work. You shit on Christians because they're easy targets and its popular(I wonder why?). You don't actually have any arguments you're just stirring the pot. Holy shit lad I'm not even a believer but it's people like you who are truly retarded. Have you ever considered for one moment that maybe some people don't want to feel as miserable as you so they turn to religion because it gives them something to appreciate in their lives. Instead of going online to play the ubersmart atheist maybe you could open up a fucking book for once and learn something instead of using half assed quotes out of context. When Nietzsche said ""God is dead"" it was a statement of despair because humanity is the perpetrators.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997476
185772824,185779073,2018-09-15 07:45:03,">>185774450
>Jesus is coming soon
He said for the millionth time in the last 2000 years",,Anonymous,1494787262546.png,RCx9SbwVwqzj1kCEmXuvHw==,DE,,1536997503
185772824,185779117,2018-09-15 07:45:59,">>185779073
So, impatience led you away from God?
Sad",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997559
185772824,185779183,2018-09-15 07:47:20,">>185778478
>>185778687
let me ask you guys this. would these immigration policies have worked a hundred years ago? were the western nations more Christian then?
why are these kinds of bonkers policies and unchecked globalism been followed with the previous increase in atheism, agnosticism, and watered down religion?
and if you think merkel privately believes in Christ, you are nuts",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997640
185772824,185779225,2018-09-15 07:48:06,">>185778829
so you dont believe what the bible says?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536997686
185772824,185779268,2018-09-15 07:48:45,">>185779183
Jews did the immigration.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536997725
185772824,185779276,2018-09-15 07:48:52,">>185779053
>We turn the other cheek
>love and forgiveness
>every life is worth something
And you wonder why people bash Christians?
Attack Judaism, you're a anti semite and they'll do anything to get you. Attack islam and you need 24/7 protection or they'll murder you in the street. Christians are so cucked, they'd even help the jews and muslims fuck you.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536997732
185772824,185779291,2018-09-15 07:49:20,">>185779225
I seriously doubt I believe what you believe the Bible says",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997760
185772824,185779302,2018-09-15 07:49:29,">>185772824
Reminder that atheism is just cryptosatanism, worship of the material, wealth and power, of the flesh. /pol/ is a christian board. God told us himself.
Atheism is such a desperate religion that they turn to simulationtheory as they cant get this world running without an outside force, even when it is just the same as genesis but explaining away every bit of divinity, having the divine creator being a pleb outside the sim, switchintg the heavenly realm with another layer of the material and occasionally satan/saturn instead of whispering into our minds casting a matrix onto us. 
Also the easiest religion to troll.
In here i put a lot of the knowledge of the bible and other mythologies which usually isnt talked about
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/182357613/#182360135",,Anonymous,68F3AF69-610D-49A9-8559-3454A3EE7486.jpg,exiHKIaYHeSvANp/iI9OQA==,DE,,1536997769
185772824,185779309,2018-09-15 07:49:39,">>185779117
Lmao jusy keep on waiting until we're hit by an asteroid, or nuke ourselves, or the sun swallows everything",,Anonymous,1536783873809m.jpg,I6M9kje3DI6vQ9p8TaDyUg==,DE,,1536997779
185772824,185779381,2018-09-15 07:50:56,"But if God was real, then atheism would be the biggest delusion that there is.",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1536997856
185772824,185779383,2018-09-15 07:51:01,">>185779309
Sounds like Armageddon to me",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997861
185772824,185779464,2018-09-15 07:52:36,">>185779117
Now you're just shitposting. It was obviously about how he doesn't see any reason to believe that Jesus will actually come.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536997956
185772824,185779471,2018-09-15 07:52:42,">>185777772
Okay, I break it down: we need one desert fairytale to fight the other, and there's no need to disturb the cattle in their beliefs if it helps them.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536997962
185772824,185779500,2018-09-15 07:53:10,">>185779183
>Merkel is no christian
>That terrorist shouting allah akbar isn't a muslim
yeah all those leaders, may, merkel, obama, bush etc all aren't actually christian, they just say they are.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536997990
185772824,185779509,2018-09-15 07:53:19,">>185779381
Railing against something you don’t think is real seems kinda delusional anyway",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536997999
185772824,185779539,2018-09-15 07:53:51,">>185779291
Considering that Jesus returns in 10 years all the time, it's not a surprise.",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1536998031
185772824,185779561,2018-09-15 07:54:09,">>185779381
If God was real, believing that religions know stuff about him would still be the biggest delusion.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536998049
185772824,185779685,2018-09-15 07:56:05,">>185779539
Huh?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536998165
185772824,185779692,2018-09-15 07:56:09,">>185779291
>I seriously doubt I believe what you believe the Bible says
the bible says there was a talking snake, a talking donkey, flying chariots and miraculously parting seas for example. do you believe these things happened?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536998169
185772824,185779694,2018-09-15 07:56:10,">>185779053
>You shit on Christians because they're easy targets and its popular
Christianism is so ingrained in our society thats actually a hard target, even science haves a strong christian historical influence.
>Have you ever considered for one moment that maybe some people don't want to feel as miserable as you so they turn to religion because it gives them something to appreciate in their lives.
Thought slaves, NPCs,etc. I dont shit too much on them anyway,we need workers and believers to sustain society and our pleasures, a massive redpilling would create chaos and for what? I dont really care about freeing anyones mind, Im nihlist, not retarded.
>When Nietzsche said ""God is dead"" it was a statement of despair because humanity is the perpetrators.
I know that, Nietzsche didnt wanted to embrace nihlism he was a nostalgic faggot, thats why he says it with sadness and I do it with hapiness, we are already beyond god, our potential is unlimited past the walls you built in your head",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1536998170
185772824,185779705,2018-09-15 07:56:21,">>185779500
They are satanic pedophiles, but its difficult running a campange on that",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1536998181
185772824,185779848,2018-09-15 07:58:49,">>185779276
Christians are cucked beyond belief I'll agree with you on that. They seem to have forgotten who killed their messiah.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536998329
185772824,185779859,2018-09-15 07:59:00,">>185774072
https://www.oneindia.com/2010/03/20/indiantantric-tries-killing-sceptic-live-on-tvfails.html
Fixing education, one burger at a time.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1536998340
185772824,185779882,2018-09-15 07:59:25,">>185779705
>Satanic pedophiles
Well, if only they were god fearing pedophiles like the other christians!",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536998365
185772824,185779905,2018-09-15 07:59:47,">>185779561
If God contacted mankind and explained about himself then there would be a religion that knows about him.",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1536998387
185772824,185780055,2018-09-15 08:02:40,">>185779905
Yes there would. If that ever happens in the future I'll become religious but I meant the stuff we have now.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536998560
185772824,185780096,2018-09-15 08:03:24,You can't have science without religion,,Anonymous,Venezuelahottie.jpg,Tx+2nTIn7qBOzn58mF4zVw==,US,,1536998604
185772824,185780237,2018-09-15 08:05:55,">>185779692
I was right",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536998755
185772824,185780392,2018-09-15 08:08:29,">>185775353
That makes sense",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536998909
185772824,185780442,2018-09-15 08:09:13,">>185774575
Atheists are _always_ Jew controlled, sometimes they do it for free, this makes the merchant very happy. (((They))) don't want you to know god is within, so the atheist pilpul achieves two things. 
1. Distance between anon and god -- The shill convinces you that god is outside of your being by only framing the discussion around the true message. In these discussions the notion of an inner god becomes impossible. 
2. Reinforcement of Jewish characteristics of god. In every way (((they))) are interested in controlling and shaping the personality and character of god. This is a deep esoteric secret of the Talmud. Control the perception of god with your speech and you will speak as god speaks. 
Atheists are never once legitimately above 130. 
Atheists are literal NPCs
Atheists are proselytizing their NPC faith.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536998953
185772824,185780756,2018-09-15 08:13:20,>>185772824,,Anonymous,Screenshot_2018-08-21-08-57-45~2.png,7y+L/ebHRjYVAeumpHwLQQ==,,,1536999200
185772824,185780786,2018-09-15 08:13:48,">>185775092
>Christians import shitskins
>Christians ban homosexuality
>Christians ban abortion
>Christians tried banning vidya
>Christians tried banning certain types of music
>Christians try banning sunday shopping
Gee, i wonder why these atheists don't like christianity....",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1536999228
185772824,185780851,2018-09-15 08:14:44,"I'm Agnostic - but you Atheists are fucking retarded just as much as the hardcore religious.
>Oh, the idea of God is delusional - but i sure as hell believe we live in a simulation.
Kill yourself. Why are the creators of this 'simulation' not God's? Maybe you don't believe in it - but many top Atheists certainly do after Elon Musk brought it back to mainstream in 2014.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1536999284
185772824,185780961,2018-09-15 08:16:10,I'm going to hang out in this thread and talk shit about Christcucks until he next thread starts. This is a good general.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1536999370
185772824,185780967,2018-09-15 08:16:13,">>185779694
There are 3 Abrahamic faiths why not shit on all of them equally? So you put yourself above other people because your philosophy is ""nothing mattress"" interesting... Humanity's potential is not unlimited there are hardcoded limits to what we can do, consider light speed, you cannot surpass that no matter how smart you think you are.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536999373
185772824,185780975,2018-09-15 08:16:22,">>185780096
is that a woman ?",,Anonymous,,,FR,,1536999382
185772824,185780993,2018-09-15 08:16:43,">>185780786
>import shitskins",,Anonymous,1529495368398.png,pc1KxlZjUL2S2Zuoffqqjg==,,,1536999403
185772824,185781060,2018-09-15 08:17:51,">>185780237
so the bible doesnt say that?",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1536999471
185772824,185781069,2018-09-15 08:17:56,">>185779882
>Implying there some
>inb4 pointing to vatican not knowing its also controlled by the same satanist",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1536999476
185772824,185781107,2018-09-15 08:18:33,">>185780786
>Christians",,Anonymous,048C83B9-3E29-47BE-BEF8-DCD1359A5FB9.jpg,ZJHEWjVpXhQc1M8x+TM1cw==,US,,1536999513
185772824,185781195,2018-09-15 08:19:57,">atheism general is back
Can't say I'm pleased but it definitely surprised me. Haven't had these regularly in years.
>they still use the term ""atheist"" to define themselves when this is more accurately an ""antitheist"" general",,WOLFSHIEM,1536921965771m.jpg,Ui99NtHN9XtUq2AUFML3QQ==,US,,1536999597
185772824,185781396,2018-09-15 08:23:05,">>185781195
Also, this. I'm more anti Christian than anything. For the specific reason that the majority of Christians are white, and supposed to be smart. If you believe in the bible, you're not very smart. If you believe the bible was not written to be literal, you're extra retarded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1536999785
185772824,185781492,2018-09-15 08:24:23,">>185781060
I think somehow you’ve decided to use something you can’t possibly prove didn’t happen, to prove something you can’t possibly prove doesn’t exist.",,Anonymous,7E2C1882-FB82-4A08-A97A-62C496A270F8.gif,i7eTns2/qMdnAAjerSmlIA==,US,,1536999863
185772824,185781497,2018-09-15 08:24:28,">>185773787
Be of good cheer Christ has overcome the world.
>Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
>This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The word made flesh by whom the world was made.
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>The same was in the beginning with God.
>All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
>In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
>And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Its the assault of Satan upon the last bastion of wisdom,civilization and christianity - the civilized world all others have been either subdued or drowned in madness and degeneracy which is atheist/paganism/heathenism or nihilism.",,Anonymous,svr.png,NQH3hP75HMWjPSPva/g+dQ==,BG,,1536999868
185772824,185781569,2018-09-15 08:25:39,">>185772824
Go back to plebbit please",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1536999939
185772824,185781604,2018-09-15 08:26:06,">>185780851
So there's nothing wrong with all the ones who don't believe anything about a simulation?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1536999966
185772824,185781692,2018-09-15 08:27:35,">>185775482
>For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
I think you got the wrong Jesus Christ there, pal.",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1537000055
185772824,185781891,2018-09-15 08:31:14,">>185781396
Out of all the Christians I have met I have only ever known two that actually knew their shit and read their books. The bible itself is multiple books wrapped into one that is a translation of a translation's translation. It would be impossible to take it as 100% literal, especially since Yeshua says he speaks in parables.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000274
185772824,185781958,2018-09-15 08:32:14,">>185772824
> have no proof here is no God
> listen to some Jews who say so
> spread nihilism accross the west
> west starts collapsing
Christians are so dumb!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000334
185772824,185781976,2018-09-15 08:32:29,">>185779694
>Im nihlist, not retarded.
>our pleasures
Weakling.",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1537000349
185772824,185782013,2018-09-15 08:32:59,">>185781692
>For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
John 3:17
Matthew 10:34",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000379
185772824,185782033,2018-09-15 08:33:13,">>185781396
>Also, this. I'm more anti Christian than anything.
Sorry to hear that",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1537000393
185772824,185782075,2018-09-15 08:33:51,">>185781604
I think his point is even atheists believe retarded things.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000431
185772824,185782154,2018-09-15 08:34:55,">>185782033
>Sorry to hear that
You're sorry on behalf of this retard who thinks that your skin color indicates intelligence and superiority respectively?
Why?",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1537000495
185772824,185782225,2018-09-15 08:36:06,">>185781492
>something you can’t possibly prove didn’t happen
so the bible does say those things happened then. i cant know for certain but im pretty sure there was never any talking snakes and donkeys. someone might have got some sick air on their chariot once and maybe some extreme weather event parted the sea at a convenient time.",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1537000566
185772824,185782289,2018-09-15 08:36:56,">>185780993
95% of the shitskins in this country are there because of christians and the christian politicians that invited them and their families
>>185781069
>>185781107
>Its not real christianity guys
Sure, and Mao/Stalin wasn't communism. ISIS isn't islam etc etc.",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537000616
185772824,185782331,2018-09-15 08:37:37,">>185781891
Wait, then why did the Catholic church persecute people who went against the ideas in the bible? Do you want specific examples? The church literally, taught the bible as cannon. Don't even try and pretend like they didn't. 
>>185782033
Well, at least one of us is.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000657
185772824,185782348,2018-09-15 08:37:53,">>185772824
move thread to /x/ fag",,Anonymous,,,RS,,1537000673
185772824,185782395,2018-09-15 08:38:31,">>185781692
I'm glad someone who's better versed in this could pull the quotes. I wanted to say that but couldn't remember the exact chapter and verse. Good job anon.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000711
185772824,185782420,2018-09-15 08:38:52,">>185781891
What is there left to believe in then?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1537000732
185772824,185782430,2018-09-15 08:39:04,">>185782013
You too, good job.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000744
185772824,185782586,2018-09-15 08:41:07,">>185782289
>Its not real christianity guys
>and it’s Definitely Not, I repeat, Not satanic globalist!",,Anonymous,A7EB1C28-D85D-4A19-8510-81DB7F351140.gif,VJQT3ITW4b7ucBVJDYPXpQ==,US,,1537000867
185772824,185782598,2018-09-15 08:41:21,">>185782225
The sea did part but it was a weather event not a miracle. People in those days didn't know the difference.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537000881
185772824,185782630,2018-09-15 08:41:52,"Atheism is pretty naive. I was an atheist myself as a kid, but now I'd call myself an agnostic.
No, I haven't experienced anything divine and there's nothing that has happened that has made me think god might exist, but given how little we understand about the universe around us, how little we know about how the brain works or anything smaller than electrons etc. it's pretty pompous to claim with ABSOLUTELY CERTAINTY that it's impossible for there to be any other life form other than us that we might perceive as ""on a higher level"".",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1537000912
185772824,185782891,2018-09-15 08:46:05,"Enjoy hell all you unbelievers... I’m out!
(I’m just kidding..... replant. And, find Jesus)",,Anonymous,811BDBDD-EEAF-4F31-A320-0E9FA1042A5B.gif,awMBvAFYWcPeQaKc8UQKGQ==,US,,1537001165
185772824,185782915,2018-09-15 08:46:29,">>185782598
What about s flood that killed every single person on this planet except for Noah and his family? Yet we know people have been living in the Americas for 10's of thousands of years? Wouldn't they have died in the great flood? I feel like the bible missed that loophole. Mostly because they were uneducated sand niggers. Both the people who wrote the bible, and those that accept it as truth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537001189
185772824,185782966,2018-09-15 08:47:15,">>185782891
Repent*",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537001235
185772824,185783089,2018-09-15 08:49:08,">>185772824
>atheism 
>not even paganlarp or esotericism
Brainlet and S0 y",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537001348
185772824,185783100,2018-09-15 08:49:19,">>185782630
The biggest issue, I'd say, is the lack of honesty in your position. Most mainstream atheists today are Naturalists but yet they refer to themselves as a term they understand as ""not theism"". Well there are several forms of not believing in theism that compete and contradict each other. Worse still they argue against theistic groups in specific details and they stand for nothing specific explicitly. 
It's like atheists arguing with ""not-atheists"".",,WOLFSHIEM,,,US,,1537001359
185772824,185783112,2018-09-15 08:49:29,">>185780967
>So you put yourself above other people because your philosophy is ""nothing mattress""
Just as you would put yourself above a child that believes in Santa.
>Humanity's potential is not unlimited there are hardcoded limits to what we can do, consider light speed, you cannot surpass that no matter how smart you think you are.
True we have physical limits, but our consciousness haves no limit, so we bend the rules a little. We create such a world that we never need to surpass speed of light, we already communicate here without needing to teleport around, theres always a way to dodge real limits.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1537001369
185772824,185783220,2018-09-15 08:51:12,">>185772824
Back to >>>/his/",,Luzicki Serbi,,,DE,,1537001472
185772824,185783399,2018-09-15 08:53:42,">>185782331
Maybe because the catholic church is one of the most corrupt and vile organizations in human history that use scripture to hide their evil ways. That being the case catholics or Christians as a whole are not the only religion who has committed atrocious acts to nonbelievers. Also its canon when you're talking about lore.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537001622
185772824,185783454,2018-09-15 08:54:39,">>185782630
Agnostic are the gayest shits. Theres no reason to believe a deity created you and the universe, the only reason we consider it its because religions have implanted it on society by violence. I dont need to be agnostic about purple goblins on Mars, I just dont believe it by lack of evidence.",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1537001679
185772824,185783485,2018-09-15 08:55:11,">>185772824
>Individualism
>Liberalisticism
>Non-religious civic-nationalism
>Anti-Identitarianism
>Anti-Theism
>Anti-Authoritarianism
>Claiming to have understood Kant
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Liberty""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""",,Luzicki Serbi,Fedorra-Shrek.jpg,hon/jQEL407FXfI+UkmyGA==,DE,,1537001711
185772824,185783593,2018-09-15 08:57:08,">>185783454
I don't believe life on mars has been irrefutably disproven either, so what's your point? Atheism is the BELIEF that god doesn't exist. I don't believe either way, so I'm agnostic.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1537001828
185772824,185783619,2018-09-15 08:57:39,">>185782420
That may be the most important question out there huh?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537001859
185772824,185783735,2018-09-15 08:59:31,">>185783399
No, but it was the largest denomination of Christianity and threw it's weight around. That's my problem with it. They used their religion and fear of such to control people. Even those who don't believe in the religion. I'm not talking about other religions. Two wrongs done make a right, and you can't use the excuse of ""well they did it too!"" You're supposed to turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor as thyself. Not pass blame to other religions. Also, it's not canon when it goes against actual facts. Like, you know the fact the earth does revolve around the sun and Christians actively tried to suppress this information because it went against the bible. As if I don't have a right to be mad at an institution that actively suppresses education just because it's not what their book says. It's not right and you know it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537001971
185772824,185783857,2018-09-15 09:01:28,">>185783593
So you live like an atheist then. If you get epistomologically rigurous enough then you could be agnostic about everything. Whats the point of giving the benefit of doubt to god from the infinit possibilities that could be real?",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1537002088
185772824,185783863,2018-09-15 09:01:34,">Denying the existance of race
>Denying the existance of God
>Denying the existance of intrinsic religious-moral values in human psyche
>Denying the existance of collectives beyond family-level as ""social constructs""
>Denying differences within the diverse branches of human nature, behaviour, culture, inteligence, society and ability to be deeper than ""social constructs""
>Leaving out religious, psychologic (even chemical/physical) and biological realities
>Wanting to push a centre-left version of SJWism
>""Muh rashunahlism""",,Luzicki Serbi,"pp,550x550.u1.jpg",OJXgMjq8sbgjOa2EG0cLsw==,DE,,1537002094
185772824,185783953,2018-09-15 09:03:01,">>185782915
>Yet we know people have been living in the Americas for 10's of thousands of years?
What did you ask the indians how old they where ? or did they wrote the date 10 k years ago",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537002181
185772824,185783975,2018-09-15 09:03:21,>Anti-Identitarianism,,Luzicki Serbi,brainlettttt it go.jpg,s642rTAmPM17N+pPnQv/LQ==,DE,,1537002201
185772824,185784034,2018-09-15 09:04:20,">Thinking humans don't want to believe in God and should prefer Atheism because of ""muh morals""",,Luzicki Serbi,2d2.jpg,gmiONHjmqwwJcnEeemmLeQ==,DE,,1537002260
185772824,185784052,2018-09-15 09:04:35,">>185783953
I can't believe you're arguing this. Do I really have to Google ""Amerindian artifacts"" for you? This is week as fuck and you know it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537002275
185772824,185784054,2018-09-15 09:04:36,">>185782915
Have you ever read Atrahasis, the Enuma Elish or the epic of Gilgamesh? Surely you do know that in fact a flood did happen to this planet. Look up the younger dryas period. Roughly 11,600-12,600 years ago a meteor struck this planet causing flooding and then again 5600 years ago a meteor struck this planet causing massive temperature changes and flooding. This is 100% fact you can look this up if you don't believe me. The only part about the flood stories that are 99% chance of being Bullshit is the fact that a God or council of gods did it to strike man down. For Enki's sake please look these things up. Noah, Ziudsura and Utnapishtim are all ""flood survivors"" who have entire stories. Also read the popol vuh which is the Mayan story of creation that talks about guess what? A massive flood that kills everyone.",,Anonymous,1530818377225.jpg,CEKFIh+DQNyDS22yqAFBiw==,US,,1537002276
185772824,185784205,2018-09-15 09:07:30,">Thinking Liberalist thinking, being objective and debating modern philosophy n' shiet, is of any relevance for society or people or helps it in any way, in moving forward",,Luzicki Serbi,1369612216316.png,GC+FXp5SbI5WHSB5ecR2uw==,DE,,1537002450
185772824,185784218,2018-09-15 09:07:51,">>185784054
No, I never said a flood didn't happen. Are you illiterate? I said there was never a flood that covered the entire earth and killed every single person except Noah and his family. Don't move goal posts, you're being every Christian right now. Address that fact. Address the fact that the bible is the word of God, as written by his prophets and it's wrong. That's my argument, I'm not arguing the flood never happened. Plenty of cultures have stories of a giant flood, I know that. Address the fact that God and his prophets were wrong, yet they lied and told everyone they were right. They know they're right. It's the word of God!",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537002471
185772824,185784258,2018-09-15 09:08:22,">>185783857
I don't give the benefit of doubt to god. If I had to bet money on it I'd say in light of what we know the odds are far against god existing. But I'm not declaring it as 100% fact beyond any doubt, so I'm not atheist.
>So you live like an atheist then
I live like a christian, because even if god doesn't exist christianity teaches a lot of values benefitial to having a functioning society. That's how christianity is in northern europe, it's not the same cousin-fucking witch hunt in Alabama. ""Even if god doesn't exist, live as though he did"" is actually a thing the church teaches. The point isn't to appease some divine being, the bible is a bunch of allegories as far as I'm concerned.",,Anonymous,,,FI,,1537002502
185772824,185784260,2018-09-15 09:08:24,">>185784052
>Amerindian artifacts
yup that is proof of the date",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537002504
185772824,185784297,2018-09-15 09:08:58,>ITT,,Luzicki Serbi,1520712345247.jpg,cOMrKqJ1aOD3sPWE75TdJg==,DE,,1537002538
185772824,185784301,2018-09-15 09:09:01,">>185783863
>deny that God has communicated with us
>don't deny those other things
What now?",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1537002541
185772824,185784389,2018-09-15 09:10:29,">>185783112
The classic Santa defense lol. The way you speak about consciousness makes me think you'd like Gnosticism or maybe some Hinduism, maybe checkout some Tao Te Ching.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537002629
185772824,185784461,2018-09-15 09:11:22,">>185784260
Ok, do I need to Google how to date artifacts for you? It's not a mystery.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537002682
185772824,185784481,2018-09-15 09:11:36,">>185784301
>Prove that God hasn't communicated with us",,Luzicki Serbi,1DNHiPV.jpg,oH2lFctmRaQGOYwjIOeBmQ==,DE,,1537002696
185772824,185784496,2018-09-15 09:11:53,">>185783863
>I believe in a lie the jews invented to explain what they can't explain",,Anonymous,,,,,1537002713
185772824,185784637,2018-09-15 09:14:32,">>185784496
>1 post by this ID
>Jews invented this
I didn't know Jews wrote the New Testament in Greek and spread stories about the one that most heavily fought pharseean lies and created a religion that adopted Pagan traditions for him.",,Luzicki Serbi,1d0zi7.jpg,aZibjXdAnABX1FGIKTxKKA==,DE,,1537002872
185772824,185784763,2018-09-15 09:16:49,">Fuck you Daddy, God isn't real!!!",,Luzicki Serbi,_72a7028672d542bb8cac8fd8354a6e12.jpg,v5zngqNe589X+HzpHCyrxQ==,DE,,1537003009
185772824,185784853,2018-09-15 09:18:24,">>185783735
It had government backing that's why it could do that. Ill say it again, the Catholic church is one of the most vile and disgusting organizations on this planet. It wasnt all Christians suppressing info it was primarily the catholic church which like you said had the largest following and like ill add now tons of government backing. I'm not a believer I don't have to turn any cheeks or forgive any religions for their misdeeds. Two wrongs don't make a right but only blaming one party is ignorant. Trust me when I say I would love to raid the Vatican's archives because the fact that those pedoniggers are keeping knowledge away from the people is a tragedy in and of itself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537003104
185772824,185785067,2018-09-15 09:21:25,">>185782289
>95% of the shitskins in this country are there because of christians and the christian politicians that invited them and their families
So you say that Secular Pagan government in place of a Secular Christian government, that interpreted it's religion through the narrative of the radical left, created by (((them))), wouldn't import Pagan Africans for the sake of ""muh solidarity"", who would be there instead of Christian Africans, fleeing from the same conflicts, that arose after Pagan Colonial overlords who discovered, conquered and colonized their countries, as happened historically?",,Luzicki Serbi,Sure.jpg,TEDzvXMkR4mmG9NGFJFEnA==,DE,,1537003285
185772824,185785196,2018-09-15 09:23:20,">Religion is a current event or politics, not history&humanities
You have to go back",,Luzicki Serbi,8dc.jpg,swyKYwR9NSmmVx3+S+GMRA==,DE,,1537003400
185772824,185785273,2018-09-15 09:24:35,>Being a shill in this thread,,Luzicki Serbi,1W8W23hFGc-2.png,P1RAcX1DA+8hRPZwbg57mQ==,DE,,1537003475
185772824,185785385,2018-09-15 09:26:07,">>185784853
Ok, so now we're getting some where. Whether you're a believer or not, you can't deny 2 things. 
1. The bible is the corner stone of Christianity and it's complete bullshit. The literal basis of their entire religion is a lie.
2. Christians like this one 
>>185784260
Actively deny scientific facts because their book says it's wrong. I agree that religion has played a vital part in history and human evolution. However, there is absolutely no reason to continue this farce in this day and age when we know it's a farce. Especially when they are still using it to control people and affect the lives of others who don't even believe in their God. It's not right, it's not Christian and it's not true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537003567
185772824,185785632,2018-09-15 09:29:48,">>185784218
Ok I did misread your first post and got a little autistic there I apologize. The bible is wrong about a lot of things, like the fact that there were never slaves in Egypt or the fact that there's not a firmament keeping sky water separated from earth water. Its not the word of God given to man it's words of men given to more men.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537003788
185772824,185785945,2018-09-15 09:35:01,">>185785632
But that's the problem, it's the word of man. Yet Christians believe the bible is the word of God, and present it as such. They believe the people who wrote the bible did so because God came to them. God himself, sent these messages to be written down. God himself said the flood killed everyone but Noah and kin. God himself gave a generational time line of the world which calculated to only 6,000 years old. God himself said these things. How can God be wrong? If it was a misinterpretation by man, how did these prophets get it so wrong as to misinterpret ""a few people"" to ""every single person on the face of this earth."" It's bullshit and the only way to justify it, is to ignore literal facts. Don't worry about being autistic. I'm in this same thread arguing with you. We all have that 4chan autism while we're posting. It's part of the game.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537004101
185772824,185785962,2018-09-15 09:35:11,">this thread
Oh yeah this is why I don't like /pol/ anymore.",,Anonymous,9a9.png,r/T557vaeowV66iODPNDNg==,GB,,1537004111
185772824,185786433,2018-09-15 09:42:10,">>185785385
1) all religions are lies the redeeming factors for them are the lessons taught within their scriptures. Live simply, take care of one another, discipline is important. These arent just Christian these found in within the Tao and Buddhism.
2)Your run of the mill Christian doesn't control anything in fact I would wager there is a completely different abrahamic faith that controls everything but I digress. People sometimes like to believe in things whether its God, Gods or Goddesses it is completely impractical to stop that from happenig. Your best bet if you really care is to become a local politician and change things yourself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537004530
185772824,185786525,2018-09-15 09:43:38,">>185772824
>atheism general
I never understood why you atheists come here.
Why are you people Atheists but not Apolitical at the same time? this doesn't make sense unless all you want to do is to distract christians out of their moral and ethical religious grounds.
oh wait, that's already what you guys did since the beginning.
OH WAIT, there's another certain group of people on earth who does this either. guess who?",,Anonymous,7AaZ5mY.jpg,7N/rU0Sam2zDqj6RjFHMjA==,TR,,1537004618
185772824,185786620,2018-09-15 09:45:07,">>185786525
>Why you believe in politics if you dont believe in old fairies
Politics is a tool theres nothing to believe you roach",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1537004707
185772824,185786807,2018-09-15 09:47:49,">>185773787
Jews, Muslims, Christians, all the same thing, all come from the same book, all un-european, all filthy vile sand nigger religions. Fuck off kike.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537004869
185772824,185786845,2018-09-15 09:48:24,">>185786620
you have to be somewhere on the bias to be about politics at all. otherwise it doesn't work for the nature, pal.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1537004904
185772824,185786846,2018-09-15 09:48:25,">>185772824
>gaytheists",,Anonymous,"Screenshot_2018-09-15 Richard Dawkins Defends &#039;Mild&#039; Pedophilia, Again and Again .jpg",Mc/TH4hzwmE27kcNUtg71w==,US,,1537004905
185772824,185787057,2018-09-15 09:51:34,">>185786807
>Christians
>Not the most european thing ever
American education
>>185786845
Theres politics without god anon",,Anonymous,,,CL,,1537005094
185772824,185787113,2018-09-15 09:52:28,">>185772977
>>185777799",,sage this heresy,e98.jpg,10xPp4Xumn5f4g0KqrKqWA==,,,1537005148
185772824,185787116,2018-09-15 09:52:30,">>185786433
You're absolutely correct on point number one. On point number 2, I do have to be fsir with you in all of this. I live in Utah. A state in which the Senate will hold recess, so some of the members can drive 5 minutes down the street to the temple. Only those of the LDS faith are allowed to attend. They will hold discussions with the president of the Mormon Church. No one knows what is said in these discussions. They will then resume the Senate meeting and vote. So I suppose I have a little bias.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537005150
185772824,185787240,2018-09-15 09:54:02,">>185787057
alright you dont seem to want to understand anything. good luck.",,Anonymous,,,TR,,1537005242
185772824,185787321,2018-09-15 09:55:18,">>185777777
lool",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537005318
185772824,185787474,2018-09-15 09:57:19,"(((I))) (((wonder))) (((who))) (((is))) (((behind))) (((this))) (((thread))) 
OP is a shill, anyone who read Dostoevsky and the great Christian minds of the past: Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Schelling, Kierkegaard, Karl Barth... 
knows that Christianity is the truth, the way and the life.
Jesus is the son of god.",,Anonymous,4L_HbEFq2E9.jpg,h3jKm94tjMRJyfX0bTWLdQ==,IL,,1537005439
185772824,185787687,2018-09-15 10:00:26,">>185785945
Maybe the God they're talking about is actually just a god. There's a possibility that if anything the first gods were just highly revered people.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537005626
185772824,185787923,2018-09-15 10:04:01,">>185787116
Wew lad I can see where the frustration with that comes from. Religion shouldn't bleed over into politics unless the bastards are going to start paying taxes. ""Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."" Ya dig?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537005841
185772824,185787964,2018-09-15 10:04:43,">>185787474
How many Christians are there in Israel? you were born in a Christian family?",,Anonymous,,,,,1537005883
185772824,185788001,2018-09-15 10:05:21,">>185787474
Says the Christ killer lol.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537005921
185772824,185788127,2018-09-15 10:07:09,">>185786433
>1) all religions are lies the redeeming factors for them are the lessons taught within their scriptures
When I was curious about Christianity, I realized how it was a useful tool for society and came to the conclusion that you wrote and that's what turned me to atheism.",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1537006029
185772824,185788162,2018-09-15 10:07:59,">>185772824
Notice the tigers just ignoring the moose, the bears ignoring the ostriches, the walruses ignoring the toucans...",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537006079
185772824,185788516,2018-09-15 10:13:41,">>185774536
Because atheists here mostly live in the West. Christianity is the dominant religion that affects life here. Also, Christianity is probably the stupidest, most hypocritical religion there is. Christianity says you should turn the other cheek when Tyrone fucks your wife, it says if you work hard and become wealthy you will go to hell, Christians focus on child like moral principles like ""no cursing"" as if using harsh language has anything to do with morality, it basically teaches you to be a poor, limp wristed pussy, totally unattractive to the opposite sex and unable to defend yourself. At the same time it tells you to spread your religion to the rest of the world and save people. Due to the doctrine of hell, launching an invasion of a peaceful non-Christian country that results in the rape and murder of millions of people is obviously justified if only one heathen converts and is saved from eternal hell. Jesus hates rich men, but prominent Christian leaders are all fabulously wealthy, and even in small towns the Church is the most opulent building around. Be a pussy and forgive everyone, a philosophy made more palatable by the comfort that everyone who is not of your particular denomination will be tortured for eternity, and on and on. Admittedly much of the filth and cringe of Christianity is not from Jesus' verbatim teachings per say, but from the Churches and Popes who have introduced new dogma to control people. Christians are also just preachy, condescending twits most of the time who talk down to people who are much smarter than them. They are insufferable on an individual level. Their sweet, overly kind harmlessness is a little off putting when you know that their message is ""join us or be tortured in hell for eternity."" They disgust most thinking people on a visceral level. I am not an atheist by the way, and I believe religion is vital for the healthy functioning of society. Christianity is just gay.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537006421
185772824,185789355,2018-09-15 10:26:16,">>185775482
I'm so impressed. You don't know that Jesus was a Jew?
Why Europeans consecrated to a Jew?",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1537007176
185772824,185789369,2018-09-15 10:26:30,>This thread,,Anonymous,imam rogers.png,arsD8cFhdp+jCGAZiRD0Kw==,,,1537007190
185772824,185789413,2018-09-15 10:27:11,">>185773043
This for starters.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537007231
185772824,185789505,2018-09-15 10:28:37,">/ag/ Atheism General -- OP is a faggot (and that's a good thing)
>here's why",,Anonymous,dfaggot.png,6KFHn67GEkB5x5yhdp9XCg==,GB,,1537007317
185772824,185789557,2018-09-15 10:29:21,">>185787474
>that flag
Sure, sure",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537007361
185772824,185789558,2018-09-15 10:29:21,">>185787474
>read Dostoevsky
Dostoevsky wrote the most forced Christian plot I've ever seen",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1537007361
185772824,185789736,2018-09-15 10:31:52,">>185788162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCG6EX5Lek",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537007512
185772824,185789765,2018-09-15 10:32:20,">>185787923
C'est la vie. That's the way it goes, and it's all 100% protected by the constitution. Don't get me wrong, I don't really hate Christians. Most of them are good people. I don't really care what they believe as it's their own opinion. However, it's just an opinion. And any Christian that starts to spew triggers my 'tism. It's all a lie and they are all so fucking insistent it's not. To the point, as I linked earlier. The anon was willing to accept that science is a lie, just to protect his book. It's so unbelievably stupid, I can't believe it.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537007540
185772824,185789891,2018-09-15 10:34:01,">>185787474
I understand why you are (((Christan))) 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15%3A21-28&version=NIV
>Jesus 
>King of Jews
>The salvation only can come from Judaism 
>Literal said: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1537007641
185772824,185789968,2018-09-15 10:35:05,">>185772824
Let's be serious for a moment here:
Atheism is complete bullshit but Christianity is way worse, at least Atheism doesn't make you to worship a jew on a stick",,Anonymous,,,,,1537007705
185772824,185790052,2018-09-15 10:36:08,">>185787964
My mother is German catholic and father is half Russian secular Jewish, I had to choose, I was at the beginning an atheist and agnostic, after reading many books, New Testament included, I decided to accept Christ.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1537007768
185772824,185790137,2018-09-15 10:37:19,">>185789505
>something must have created the universe therefore stories about people interacting with god must be true and Jesus must have been the son of god",,Anonymous,,,SE,,1537007839
185772824,185790262,2018-09-15 10:39:01,">>185784637
>implying christians are not pharisees now",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537007941
185772824,185790348,2018-09-15 10:40:11,">>185790052
>I decided to accept Christ.
how so?
>>185789891
especially reading the Old Testament, I can never understand why anyone who isn't Jewish would read it.
You immediately realize that it was written by some ignorant penis cutters about penis cutters.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537008011
185772824,185790361,2018-09-15 10:40:23,">>185772824
>Ruchard Darwins
KEK",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537008023
185772824,185790405,2018-09-15 10:40:57,">>185782420
You just need to figure it out from a pile of trash. Nobody said it will be easy.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537008057
185772824,185790512,2018-09-15 10:42:23,">>185790262
protestant= Saducees
Catholics= Pharisees
Its almost like history repeats it self",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537008143
185772824,185790713,2018-09-15 10:44:44,">>185790348
I visited the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem to seek advice and guidance, there was very nice intelligent priest who talked with me there.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1537008284
185772824,185790832,2018-09-15 10:46:00,">>185772824
> Wealthier people less probable to believe in God
To serve devil?",,Anonymous,,,GR,,1537008360
185772824,185791116,2018-09-15 10:49:21,">>185790348
And the most ironic thing is the following:
> The Jews sacrificed to the first born
(The Lord said to Moses, 2 ""The first offspring of each womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether human or animal"").
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+13&version=NIV
> Jesus, according to him, is the Son of ((((((God)))))
> ((((God)))) sacrifices Jesus as the Hebrew tradition required",,Anonymous,,,AR,,1537008561
185772824,185791199,2018-09-15 10:50:20,">>185774072
>But they always, without myopic fail, Target Christians; pathetic.
To an atheist such as myself, there's not a dimes worth of difference between any of the Abrahamic religions. They are all cancers on humanity.
There have been thousands of gods and hundreds of religions. It's not cherry picking if you primarily resent the ones that are a threat to our secular democracy. I don't see Thor blocking us from buying beer on Sunday. I don't see Horus demanding that creation nonsense be taught in schools. You never saw Zoroaster calling for witches to be burned at the stake.
And even you regard all the previous gods as mere myth or fairy tales. History repeats itself. The next crop of gods will dismiss yours the same way you dismiss Ra, Odin, Jupiter, Zeus, etc. 
If you were rational, this would make sense to you.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537008620
185772824,185791254,2018-09-15 10:50:59,why do people believe in religion when it's so dumb?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1537008659
185772824,185791310,2018-09-15 10:51:44,">>185790052
>I was at the beginning an atheist
We are all born atheists.",,Anonymous,we are all atheists until told lies.jpg,xF27fvOfoizsVlYFH3x7rg==,,,1537008704
185772824,185791372,2018-09-15 10:52:35,">>185791116
absolutely disgusting
>>185791199
the major reason why the spread of Christianity was a bad thing, is how religions would have evolved in Europe. 
We know that atheism was quite common in Ancient Greece through Plato.
But it would probably be like Japan or China.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537008755
185772824,185791391,2018-09-15 10:52:48,>>185791254,,Anonymous,Screenshot_87.png,CXyhQlFB7pDRyUprVMlc9g==,NL,,1537008768
185772824,185791445,2018-09-15 10:53:25,>>185791199,,Anonymous,images_1536820347757.jpg,Jox3KGDsew0LM41c67f6iQ==,GR,,1537008805
185772824,185791578,2018-09-15 10:55:08,">>185791310
>We are all born atheists.
Can you prove that ? in the womb you can be closer to god then ever, after you are 4 years you can remember things again",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537008908
185772824,185792086,2018-09-15 11:01:03,">>185791116
>And the most ironic thing is the following:
The ancient Hebrews believed in multiple gods, then they whittled it down to one god, but forgot to edit their books accordingly.
The ancient Hebrews practiced human sacrifice. We know that because when the animal sacrifices failed, Abraham supposedly reverts back to the old ways and offers to sacrifice his son, which he doesn't. 
Then, the same story is repeated, except this time it's ""god"" instead of Abraham, it's Jesus instead of Issac, Jesus supposedly dies for the weekend but not really, he's back in action on Monday.
This is the fairy tale gullible Christians believe, and this is why we feel sorry for them.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537009263
185772824,185792368,2018-09-15 11:04:32,">>185791578
>Can you prove that
Yes, we are born without any beliefs. This was a point Dawkins proved by pointing out that the location of your birth invariably determines the religion you'll be taught.
If you claim we have beliefs in gods before we are born, then you have the burden of proof and all your work before you.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537009472
185772824,185792436,2018-09-15 11:05:21,">>185791445
I stole your meme. Thank you.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537009521
185772824,185792845,2018-09-15 11:10:35,">>185791372
>We know that atheism was quite common in Ancient Greece through Plato
Like most scientists and rational thinkers in history, Plato and Aristotle were forced to pretend to believe in gods because the Athenian aristocracy executed their teacher Socrates for blasphemy (and corrupting the youth of Athens, a much lesser charge).",,Anonymous,,,,,1537009835
185772824,185792908,2018-09-15 11:11:47,">>185792845
I'm sorry that you will soon be killed off amidst the slaughterous chaos",,Anonymous,1536541914299.png,7IMMAKmgGczchdUU3IuKOw==,US,,1537009907
185772824,185793085,2018-09-15 11:14:07,">>185789505
>dfaggot.png
Atheism is the lack of belief in any gods. What does that have to do with any unrelated science? What does not believing in Allah have to do with particle physics? What does failing to believe in Odin have to do with meteorology?
This is why people laugh at theists.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537010047
185772824,185793153,2018-09-15 11:15:06,">>185787474
As always we know that its the kikes....",,Anonymous,15357166371977.png,7Uo2993N9ZecXo6rczThWQ==,BG,,1537010106
185772824,185793157,2018-09-15 11:15:09,">>185789736
>touca
That's right, Dutchman. All of nature's biggest predators are cuddly. Go test that theory, I urge you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537010109
185772824,185793177,2018-09-15 11:15:25,">>185792845
>Plato and Aristotle were forced to pretend to believe in gods
well both believed in Gods. Plato wanted to execute Atheists if they would not see the ""error"" of their ways kek. 
But their view of Gods was definitely not the same as the average Greek.
Socrates was executed because he was a thorn to the Athenian Democracy and openly opposed it. One could it even argue in bad faith that he was merely a Oligarchic mouthpiece. He was also hyperreligious.
But still even the Ancient Greeks used to hunt Atheists, like some Epicureans.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537010125
185772824,185793234,2018-09-15 11:16:16,">>185782395
I don't remember who said it either i just know that its in the scriptures and thats all i need. Just like Christ quoted the scriptures but didn't say what verse and what book most of the times, sometimes He said who was the prophet that said it and thats it.",,Anonymous,,,BG,,1537010176
185772824,185793377,2018-09-15 11:18:19,">>185792908
>I'm sorry 
An understatement to say the least.
>you will soon be killed off 
Maybe in another 50 years from old age. That's ""soon"" in geologic time, I suppose.
>amidst the slaughterous chaos
You can't get your fat pimply ass up your mom's basement steps when the tendies are done, so I'm not really feeling the threat, here.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537010299
185772824,185793426,2018-09-15 11:18:54,">>185790137
>quoting your book out of context makes a solid counter-argument
>I am laughing at you theist HEHEHE
>>185793085
>oh btw here's the definition for atheism doofus
>I too laugh at you hahaha",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537010334
185772824,185793477,2018-09-15 11:19:36,">>185793085
everywhere there is atheism there is LGBT, gays, Sodom and Gomorrah. My parents were taught in school the marxist atheist doctrine during these terrible times, terrible terrible times.
A nation without religion is a dying nation.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1537010376
185772824,185793755,2018-09-15 11:22:50,">>185772824
Gorillas and horsies has spacial issues",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537010570
185772824,185793782,2018-09-15 11:23:06,">>185793177
>Plato wanted to execute Atheists
He did not, but he wrote what would allow him to escape the executioner's ax of the religious murderers of his time. He literally said that fear of gods prevent weak men from killing each other.
http://plato-dialogues.org/email/960211_1.htm",,Anonymous,,,,,1537010586
185772824,185794283,2018-09-15 11:29:37,">>185793477
>everywhere there is atheism there is LGBT, gays, Sodom and Gomorrah.
That's a lie. But then, people like you fall for lies.
> the marxist atheist doctrine
No gods, no government. It must be very frighting for the feeble-minded Untermensch. But for the Ubermensch, it's an opportunity for a new, better world to live in.
>A nation without religion is a dying nation.
A nation without religion can survive forever if is not invaded and conquered by religious murderers and tyrants (see History). 
A nation without water dies much faster.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-chronic-water-problem",,Anonymous,,,,,1537010977
185772824,185794383,2018-09-15 11:31:06,">>185772824
Wow!
I finally realize it!
releejous ppl r dumb !!!!!!
So wise op",,Anonymous,,,,,1537011066
185772824,185794449,2018-09-15 11:31:55,">>185772824
After the floods started to recede, and Noah released the animals back into the world, did he keep all of the most horrifying ones he had left and just ran the ship into Australia?",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1537011115
185772824,185794589,2018-09-15 11:33:58,">>185794283
>memeflag vs jew
>memeflag comes out as the actual kike",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537011238
185772824,185794815,2018-09-15 11:36:56,">>185794283
>That's a lie. But then, people like you fall for lies.
Weak failing nations (geopolitically)
UK
Sweden
Germany
France
Religious strong nations (geopolitically)
Poland
Russia
Hungary
>No gods, no government. It must be very frighting for the feeble-minded Untermensch. But for the Ubermensch, it's an opportunity for a new, better world to live in.
Boomer edaction, my parents lived in East Germany, it was terrible, people were persecuted for everything.
>A nation without religion can survive forever if is not invaded and conquered by religious murderers and tyrants
*cough*The Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1921) *cough*
Brave catholic poland againt barbaric bolsheviks.",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1537011416
185772824,185794844,2018-09-15 11:37:20,">>185772824
>wealthier people are significantly less likely to believe in God
Obviously. They're spite for a single religion will obviously encourage Jewish rewards.",,Anonymous,,,PK,,1537011440
185772824,185795253,2018-09-15 11:42:41,">>185794589
>memeflag comes out as the actual kike
The only ((( people ))) who obsess over memeflags are the jewish Putinbots, the jewish Kremlin and the jewish Russian shills who LARP with VPNs.
Kremlin Zionists have been around for a very long time, comrade.
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/07/24/archives/watergate-kremlin-zionism.html",,Anonymous,,,,,1537011761
185772824,185795371,2018-09-15 11:44:01,">>185795253
>The only ((( people ))) who obsess over memeflags
They're not the kikes, anon. You are a kike.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537011841
185772824,185795496,2018-09-15 11:45:44,"Why are the most insightful versions of religion always the wimpiest? 
The most insightful version of Buddhism is Soto Zen, which was practiced by the farmers. The most insightful form of Christianity is Quakerism, who are fucking pacifists. The most insightful form of Taoism is the philosophical branch following Zhuangzi, the best form of Islam is Bektashi Sufism, which is peaceful and fuses Shi'a and Sunni elements. The not-retarded version of Judaism is Reform, which doesn't stand for anything. Jainism is also insightful, but it's the most pacifistic religion possible. The only exceptions I can see to this rule are Sikhism, which was a religion inherently for a warrior class, and certain pagan religions, like Tengriism.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537011944
185772824,185795621,2018-09-15 11:47:24,">>185794449
God has billions of angels they could have distributed animals among earth",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537012044
185772824,185795868,2018-09-15 11:50:37,">>185772824
Dawkins who helped create this flood of migrants gets the rope.
It's not Christians causing the wars flooding us. It's the godless I'll you're part of.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537012237
185772824,185795986,2018-09-15 11:52:06,">>185775729
Fucking retarded. It is the opposite. People with high IQ invariably have beliefs in an objective framework.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537012326
185772824,185796375,2018-09-15 11:56:52,">>185795868
Dawkins have been doing Gods work he will soon be a disciple of Christ",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537012612
185772824,185796582,2018-09-15 11:58:57,">>185796375
>mfw God is real",,Anonymous,Screenshot_100.jpg,DoOpqDvxgm+OMzJcfsSPxg==,NL,,1537012737
185772824,185796673,2018-09-15 12:00:02,">>185794815
>Weak failing nations
They're not weak nor failing. You fell for a meme, and not even a very good meme. 
In the 23.UK, the economy is growing, workers wages are rising, even overall happiness is improving:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/26/overall-uk-happiness-level-given-boost-by-english-office-national-statistics-life-satisfaction-survey
Same with 10.Sweden, 16.Germany and 32.France. All improving in every economic and social metric. So your ""weak failing nations"" meme is a lie and you aren't bright enough to be embarrassed that you fell for a lie. Thanks for the laugh, tho.
>Religious strong nations (geopolitically)
>Poland
Number 37 on the MISERY index, not to be confused with the global HAPPINESS index (see above).
>Russia
Number 36 on the Misery index. Because it's a religious shithole like every other Middle east shithole.
>Hungary
Still on the Misery Index, not in the top 50 of Happiness Index. Higher percentage of atheists than the US, of course they will be happier than some shithole like Russia, but still a shithole of a place to be forced to live.
>Brave catholic poland 
Against Catholic Nazis? Yeah, religion scores two direct losses there.",,Anonymous,secular countries happiness-rankings.jpg,OlCofsrGZSDBfHptF4s2gw==,,,1537012802
185772824,185796985,2018-09-15 12:03:50,">>185796673
sooooooooo happy meme flag",,Anonymous,Screenshot_8.jpg,V92UQASqLJQFdpMghjLZ2w==,NL,,1537013030
185772824,185797028,2018-09-15 12:04:23,">>185795371
>They're not the kikes, anon. You are a kike.
You didn't know? That's how we can easily spot the Putin Pecker Lickers. They call everybody else a ""kike"". Jewish Putin's inner circle of Jewish oligarchs are all Jewish, so your rabbi handlers must be wringing their hands with glee at your posts. You really earned your kopecks today, ebed.",,Anonymous,1477114913447.jpg,92UJa5CFJ7mJoqZb2UBxZQ==,,,1537013063
185772824,185797063,2018-09-15 12:04:55,">>185795621
>billions of angels
They can all fit on the head of a pin, is what I hear.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537013095
185772824,185797134,2018-09-15 12:05:54,">>185797063
They are spiritual its irrelevant with something material",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537013154
185772824,185797317,2018-09-15 12:08:06,">>185772977
Fpbp, op btfo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537013286
185772824,185797379,2018-09-15 12:08:49,">>185797028
fuck off circle",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537013329
185772824,185797387,2018-09-15 12:08:58,">>185796673
>literally boomer education
Holy shit anarchist is using muh economy argument, is this real?
I said G E O P O L I T I C A L L Y
>stable high whites christian brith rate
>high religious unity
>religious brings culture unity
>masculine government
meanwhile in other countries, gays, immigrants, weak/low morale/patriotism, feminism, goverment/parliament full of women,",,Anonymous,,,IL,,1537013338
185772824,185797411,2018-09-15 12:09:11,">>185797134
Except for those who knocked up women, or who were almost raped in Sodom, lel.
(and some more instances)",,Anonymous,,,HU,,1537013351
185772824,185797446,2018-09-15 12:09:37,">>185795986
>People with high IQ invariably have beliefs in an objective framework.
Atheism is only the lack of beliefs in gods. It does not mean atheists cannot have any other kinds of irrational beliefs. 
Intelligent people understand the difference between useful and useless beliefs. Useful beliefs would be speculation, prediction, hypotheses, etc. Beliefs in gods to deliberately halt curiosity or the exploration of natural consciousness (spirituality) is counter-productive and undermines our epistemology.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537013377
185772824,185797664,2018-09-15 12:12:03,">>185797411
the angels appeared as man
>Except for those who knocked up women
He does not understand the fall of angels , its the reverse of the rapture",,Anonymous,,,NL,,1537013523
185772824,185798567,2018-09-15 12:23:38,">>185797387
>literally boomer education
30 yr old boomer, yeah. With 3 college degrees. I literally replace boomers at work.
>I said G E O P O L I T I C A L L Y
You had no clue what that meant when you said it, so I ignored it.
>stable high whites christian brith rate
If you had graduated Middle School, you know that as countries become more prosperous successful, their birth rates decline. This decline also happens in shitholes like Russia because of HIV, Krokodil, alcoholism and prostitution.
>religious brings culture unity
You mean like in Ireland where the white christian Protestants and the white christian Catholics have been killing each other for decades? Tell me more.
>masculine government
Toxic immaturity desperately seeking daddy figure. I'm sorry he ran out on you, but maybe one day he'll be back with that pack of cigarettes he went to the store to get.
>meanwhile in other countries, gays, 
There are gays in every country. In fact, there are gays in around 7% of most mammal populations. 
>immigrants
America is a nation of immigrants. If you're so terrified of them, if you're gonna shit your skirts over {{{ immigrants }}} then America is not your kind of place.
>weak/low morale
See Happiness Index (that's us) versus Misery Index (that's you).
>patriotism
Now all the TrujmDumspter conservatives serve the Kremlin and worship the former KGB spy who leads it. The only patriots left in America are the liberals and the anti-Trump Republicans.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537014218
185772824,185799374,2018-09-15 12:33:12,">Making this much of a fuss about not believing
Truly a brainlet evangelist religion",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1537014792
186949836,186949836,2018-09-25 17:25:20,"""Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.""
--- Edward Gibbon
>wealthier people are significantly less likely to believe in god
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/belief-in-god/by/income-distribution/
>64% of evangelicals don't believe in evolution
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/
>religious people are more likely to be violent, get a divorce, and have unprotected sex
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/misinformation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion
>partial list of all 4,200 religions in the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions
>Richard Dawkins crushes retarded Creationists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hy8NxZvFY
>Christian cringe compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ibEaIPtMk
>Styxhexenhammer: Atheism, the Silent Majority
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=977MCKS5fUU",/ag/ Atheism General -- No Gods No Masters edition,Anonymous,1535456554994.jpg,0gOpFv/iwHP7e0tGNdaXig==,US,,1537896320
186949836,186949900,2018-09-25 17:26:02,Kys,,Anonymous,,,US,,1537896362
186949836,186950177,2018-09-25 17:28:36,">>186949900
fpbp
also be careful with this red pill in pic related, it won't go down easily",,Anonymous,shroud of turin.png,HkIle0J+6W8xTEUNruARyg==,US,,1537896516
186949836,186950203,2018-09-25 17:28:56,>>186949836,,Anonymous,1537207306780.jpg,RK6RkP4yJOVqiAN9uf3gsg==,US,,1537896536
186949836,186950287,2018-09-25 17:29:47,">>186949836
Cucked and bluepilled. Sage",,Anonymous,Christianity.png,0wyWO88/tzptJ+6tIigheQ==,,,1537896587
186949836,186950329,2018-09-25 17:30:24,">>186950177
pushing that fake bullshit rag proves how far you fuckers will go to make a myth real. 
It's beyond pathetic and very much criminal: 
>CAESAR'S MESSIAH The Roman Conspiracy To Invent Jesus
https://youtu.be/zBZH0uoUZH4 
>The Dead Sea Scrolls [complete eng translation] - John Marco Allegro 
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-Uy_BZ_QGsaLiJ4Zs
you're disgusting",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1537896624
186949836,186950334,2018-09-25 17:30:30,">>186950177
tldr?",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537896630
186949836,186950339,2018-09-25 17:30:33,>>186950287,,Anonymous,1537561763452.jpg,+OspMhATCo2iqXctFfSFvw==,US,,1537896633
186949836,186950525,2018-09-25 17:32:34,">>186950329
>fake bullshit rag
>fuckers
>beyond pathetic
>pretty much criminal
>you're disgusting
WAHHHHHHHHHHH
WAH WAH WAH
BAN HIS THOUGHTS!!!!
Good God are you a woman? Can you reason or are you only capable of pathological arguments? Notice how you didn't address anything in my pic. Every knee shall bow, leaf",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537896754
186949836,186950533,2018-09-25 17:32:37,>>186949836,,Anonymous,jew detected.gif,SyhYnsJL/JrLQTSxAouwag==,US,,1537896757
186949836,186950588,2018-09-25 17:33:04,">>186950334
Hurr durr it's origin can't exactly be explained so it must be divine intervention. It's the same rational that makes people believe the Easter Island heads and Egyptian pyramids were created by aliens.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537896784
186949836,186950595,2018-09-25 17:33:09,">AmericaNPCs to the defense 
Give it up fham. They have been programmed to be christian and they sure as hell won't facts or logic challenge their programming.
See the buzzreply defense mechanism
>>186949900
>>186950177
>>186950203
>>186950287
classic sign of npc programming",,Anonymous,,,,,1537896789
186949836,186950660,2018-09-25 17:33:40,How do we get christfags to start believing in space and science. The only bad thing about religion is complacency. Asteroids are god's way of checking on your space program. If the world was about to get blown up by an asteroid would christfags celebrate the extinction of the human race? How do we convince them they are not invincible and god WONT fucking do shit?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1537896820
186949836,186950869,2018-09-25 17:35:30,">>186950595
>meme flag
opinion discarded",,Anonymous,1537538526024.jpg,GYHyD6ADrcQ5+dySVAW2jg==,US,,1537896930
186949836,186950877,2018-09-25 17:35:36,">>186949836
We live on the stage. Who knows what is watching from the wings.",,Anonymous,5b965657310479603efb4c651181bdfa.jpg,9Q+7nsZ+NN0aBR6IRJBOmA==,GB,,1537896936
186949836,186950897,2018-09-25 17:35:46,">>186950339
>>186950287
based and redpilled",,Anonymous,1531612544660.jpg,ojrQ2RZ/4Wf5p2SVx4BMEA==,GB,,1537896946
186949836,186950915,2018-09-25 17:35:52,">>186949836
Imagine being such a faggot, that having a lack of belief in something is fundamental to your identity.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537896952
186949836,186950986,2018-09-25 17:36:34,">>186950334
The Shroud of Turin is certainly the burial shroud of Jesus. It includes markings of His body in it that have been scientifically proven to be caused by an intense and incredibly short burst of radioactive-like energy. The only thing like it is the people whose shadows were burnt into the walls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when they were nuked. It has been unable to be replicated by modern methods, when even the most hardened skeptics admit its AT LEAST many centuries old (the best dating methods say its 2200-2000 years old.
>>186950588
You obviously didn't read anything in the pic (or outside of an atheist response to the shroud) if you think that its ""unknown origin"" is even one of the top 5 reasons to believe the Shroud is Jesus' burial cloth.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537896994
186949836,186951048,2018-09-25 17:37:09,">>186950595
>npc
>doesn't even read evidence/arguements
Beep boop bop",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897029
186949836,186951060,2018-09-25 17:37:20,">>186950869
You discarded OP without memeflag my NPC friend.
Too bad you can't question your actions or you would realise how inconsistent that is.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897040
186949836,186951067,2018-09-25 17:37:23,>>186950588,,Anonymous,1537825360915.jpg,CacvPyo3ivDpQdYMGgcZLQ==,DE,,1537897043
186949836,186951107,2018-09-25 17:37:47,">>186950660
How do we get atheist faggots to stop saying that we don't believe in space and science?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897067
186949836,186951140,2018-09-25 17:38:10,">>186950986
>scientifically proven to be caused by an intense and incredibly short burst of radioactive-like energy
I'd be curious to see that scientific proof",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897090
186949836,186951149,2018-09-25 17:38:14,>>186949836,,Anonymous,Sam Harris Wisdom.png,KTv6gcWZXW1T/74wyogfBg==,CA,,1537897094
186949836,186951245,2018-09-25 17:39:15,">>186951107
The idea that they're mutually exclusive drives me nuts.",,Anonymous,1537493026275.jpg,iJNWJVV0JAty7kphSrVm3A==,US,,1537897155
186949836,186951257,2018-09-25 17:39:24,">>186950986
>Shroud of Turin
>radioactive-like energy
This needs further investigation
Is the source, or at least additional information, in the image?",,Anonymous,1537863376302.png,UEk8F/YPxv1YHsATtix4ZA==,DE,,1537897164
186949836,186951320,2018-09-25 17:40:00,">>186951257
dude...",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897200
186949836,186951373,2018-09-25 17:40:32,">>186951140
it is in the pic
the manner in which the image was imprinted into the cloth has been measured to be so shallow into the material that it could not have been done by any paint, spray, blood, etc
Even modern methods like forms of photography and light imaging can't replicate it.
>>186951257
yes fren
>>186951320
the shills are scared",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897232
186949836,186951473,2018-09-25 17:41:47,">>186951373
Just give it to me. Surely you have evaluated the evidence before reposting and didn't just save the pic to protect your larp.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897307
186949836,186951570,2018-09-25 17:42:47,">>186949836
Shills bringing out the big guns tonight. Whatya slidin'?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897367
186949836,186951573,2018-09-25 17:42:48,He died for your sins.,,Anonymous,crucifixion.png,0/NeYCCzV2num0ae68sGjA==,US,,1537897368
186949836,186951601,2018-09-25 17:43:07,"There was a fun thing with miracles, orthodox clergy and Pyotr I. Might want to put it in an OP as a history lesson.
Also, it's fun counting ded relic carcass parts, as some of the orthodox saints seem to have unconventional body structure (17 hands of Andrey Pervozvannyi).
>>186950660
>start believing
They already believe.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537897387
186949836,186951625,2018-09-25 17:43:23,">>186950588
>Object known about since the middle ages 
>would have required advanced knowledge of biochemistry to fake
> would have needed access to styles of textiles only existed at the turn of the millennium in the middle east
Heh, sure is faked if you ask me.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897403
186949836,186951673,2018-09-25 17:43:59,">>186951473
save the pic to protect my larp? what am I supposed to be larping as? Obviously I didn't make that pic or the posts. The sources are in the pic. If you're too scared to look it up yourself, don't try to deflect by saying im a larp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897439
186949836,186951685,2018-09-25 17:44:05,">>186951625
>styles of textiles only existed at the turn of the millennium in the middle east
What textile is that?",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897445
186949836,186951772,2018-09-25 17:45:13,">>186951673
Christian you inbred
>Obviously I didn't make that pic or the posts
I know nor did you read them. Otherwise you could substantiate your claim
>If you're too scared to look it up yourself
So no source got it.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897513
186949836,186951775,2018-09-25 17:45:13,">>186951373
thanks, will take a read shortly.",,Anonymous,1536180403286.jpg,RL2AQeYogMR61R+QYsK1mA==,DE,,1537897513
186949836,186951799,2018-09-25 17:45:28,">>186950595
Yes. Christcucks are NPCs",,Anonymous,npchristians.jpg,g27Kh/gNxcTd7rn/ImxSUw==,NL,,1537897528
186949836,186951808,2018-09-25 17:45:33,">>186951107
Sorry about the generalization. >>186951149
>>186951107
>>186951245
Guys cmon. There is a reason why scientist are the most atheist groups. The more you know the less you need to fill in the blank with god.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897533
186949836,186951884,2018-09-25 17:46:15,">>186949836
You should not blaspheme the one true God OP. It won't go well for you if you do. 
Your atheism is not truth, and one day I hope you will realize how inconsistent and inauthentic it is as a worldview. Know with certainty that in those moments of illumination our Lord and Saviour will be waiting to receive you into His Church with open and loving arms, and so will we.
One day.",,Anonymous,Orthodoxy.jpg,UaFnX9uW91F6ANw3FLE8Bw==,US,,1537897575
186949836,186951901,2018-09-25 17:46:22,from Haaretz. not sure I want to be like jews senpai,,Anonymous,Screenshot_2018-09-25-17-46-54-1.png,CgULBlU3IiIBm8qwML6BVw==,US,,1537897582
186949836,186951910,2018-09-25 17:46:28,">>186951245
>>186951107
>>186950660
Lol its Religion vs. Religion. Christianity's BELIEF in God and what that implicates VS. Atheists' BELIEF in no God existing and what that implicates. Science is used to investigate the world to determine who and what is right or more likely right. SCIENTISTS are people who use science, but are still people who have their own faith in their worldview and like everyone else, an agenda which they really want to be true.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897588
186949836,186951954,2018-09-25 17:46:51,">>186949836
Jesus wasn't even a real p---- oh wait, y'all already know that
>pic related",,Anonymous,jesus.jpg,Um05oWubmA2L58xLGnJeHg==,GB,,1537897611
186949836,186951993,2018-09-25 17:47:16,">>186951685
The type of linen used in the shroud of Turin. The fibers in it are not found in european linen from the middle ages.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897636
186949836,186952055,2018-09-25 17:47:52,">>186949836
repent now. i know you can see the handwriting on the wall.",,Anonymous,1523857763964.jpg,gL9nPpWq8T7y/6PPO65Fnw==,US,,1537897672
186949836,186952100,2018-09-25 17:48:26,">>186951625
http://www.sillybeliefs.com/shroud.html
Read this you absolute retard.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897706
186949836,186952107,2018-09-25 17:48:30,">>186951993
>are not found in european linen from the middle ages
That's entirely different than
>styles of textiles only existed at the turn of the millennium in the middle east
And given that europe had extended contact to the me completely irrelevant",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897710
186949836,186952157,2018-09-25 17:48:58,">>186951808
>Big Bang Theory
""total legit, I mean the universe IS expanding""
>Simulation Theory
""*hits joint* whoa bro, even scientists are looking into this, it must credible"" *tunes into JRE*
>Intelligent Design
""OMG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE""",,Anonymous,1537548083584.jpg,hlf1L37GQuoFz07qmi4vjg==,US,,1537897738
186949836,186952184,2018-09-25 17:49:14,">>186951799
>look, mom! I have photoshopped duplicated images of the npc meme on some visitors in a church
>therefore christcucks are npcs
powerful!
Rather are atheists npcs, because they lack the holy spirit and therefore have no idea what they are actually doing. They have no deeper understanding of creation and have no relationship with God.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537897754
186949836,186952197,2018-09-25 17:49:25,">>186951993
>The fibers in it are not found in european linen from the middle ages.
Blimey! I keep forgetting that Europeans only invented boats in the year 1913, and before that not a single white man had ever left the continent",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537897765
186949836,186952236,2018-09-25 17:49:48,">>186951772
Here you go you autist. 
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/150417-shroud-turin-relics-jesus-catholic-church-religion-science/
>The ultraviolet light necessary to do so “exceeds the maximum power released by all ultraviolet light sources available today,” says Di Lazzaro. It would require “pulses having durations shorter than one forty-billionth of a second, and intensities on the order of several billion watts.”
The National Geographic isn't exactly Christianity central, btw.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897788
186949836,186952259,2018-09-25 17:50:05,">>186952184
Just how much of a faggot are you?",,Anonymous,,,,,1537897805
186949836,186952286,2018-09-25 17:50:30,"I'm an Atheist. Fuck this thread. Shits gay af. OP is a faggot, should kill himself.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897830
186949836,186952378,2018-09-25 17:51:33,">>186951775
Have fun fren",,Anonymous,helper pool.jpg,Z9cN22MD/xbeKTSpqPgUSg==,US,,1537897893
186949836,186952385,2018-09-25 17:51:37,">>186951808
>There is a reason why scientist are the most atheist groups
Is there a reason why atheists are more likely to commit suicide?
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303",,Anonymous,,,CA,,1537897897
186949836,186952399,2018-09-25 17:51:44,">>186949836
/pol/ is a Christian board",,Anonymous,1537738732503827818390.png,v589G3mOTP5+pi7An5QRSA==,US,,1537897904
186949836,186952425,2018-09-25 17:52:02,">>186952286
you aight atheist boy",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897922
186949836,186952490,2018-09-25 17:52:49,">>186952259
>reeeee.exe",,Anonymous,AB200A2B-BEEB-42E1-91EC-BB65A2A91A68.jpg,iEa4p5GPNJbufI3Is8M7Hw==,US,,1537897969
186949836,186952493,2018-09-25 17:52:49,">>186951808
>There is a reason why scientist are the most atheist groups
Why should a group, who admittedly only delve into the observable and empirical, have any authority on the existence of a transcendental, metaphysical being?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537897969
186949836,186952540,2018-09-25 17:53:16,">>186952157
Universe IS expanding. Red shift is enough of a proof that it does just that.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537897996
186949836,186952690,2018-09-25 17:54:56,">>186952259
In strong contrast to you, I have no affinity to any kind of sexual perversion such as homosexuality.
I appreciate your question though, since it implies your interest in my personal life.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537898096
186949836,186952691,2018-09-25 17:54:57,">>186949836
Proof Christ was real
From previous thread:
1: Christ is a historical figure. he died via Roman crucifixion. This is a historical fact. (see 1 in pic related)
no one walks away from roman crucifixion, it's a 3 step process. 
if you survive the scourging and crucifixion, the third step is the deathblow.
they need to pry someone off a cross, so they would smash their head in or stab them through the heart with a sword or spear, or set them on fire, or let wild animals rip them apart.
2: We have firsthand and secondhand eyewitness testimony claiming he visited them in person after his death.
it's written in Paul's epistle to the corinthians.
note, this is not ""using the Bible to prove the Bible is true""
it's written in this epistle, but it originated much earlier than the epistle itself, secular scholarship corroborates this (see 2 in pic related)
>3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 
>4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures, 
>5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 
>6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 
>7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 
>8 Last of all, as though to one born at the wrong time, he appeared to me also. (1 Corinthians 15:3-8)
notice that He's appearing to groups, that rules out the 'hallucination hypothesis,' because hallucinations are subjective to the individual.
this creed is also dated to around the month or year of Christ's crucifixion by secular scholarship as well, so that rules out the 'legend hypothesis.'
3: These people suffered severe persecution, torture, and death for holding this view. 
which is not something someone who is unsure or knows that what they are professing is a lie is going to do.
(cont)",,Anonymous,1536609675413-1633727408.png,FkyLMBY7gkgpIG/8nTArKg==,US,,1537898097
186949836,186952696,2018-09-25 17:55:00,is christianity the correct religion?,,Anonymous,,,MK,,1537898100
186949836,186952707,2018-09-25 17:55:05,">>186952540
I know. But why would an expanding universe/big bang theory be mutually exclusive from an intelligent designer. It doesn't have to be. One could believe in God and still recognize that the universe is expanding from a single point.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898105
186949836,186952713,2018-09-25 17:55:11,">>186952107
>>186952197
You're forgetting the time period as well, the style and fiber of this linen is 1000 years older than anything common in Europe at the time.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898111
186949836,186952765,2018-09-25 17:55:45,">>186952691
so,
options ruled out as irrational:
A) the eyewitnesses were all lying
B) the eyewitnesses were all hallucinating the same thing at each occurence
C) the myth of this event evolved over time (legend hypothesis)
D) Christ survived the crucifixion
options left:
E) the event actually occured
F) ? ? ?
the only reason to deny option E in light of the evidence is this sort of circular reasoning in pic related",,Anonymous,1536609858404-1863968649.png,tcJjO2EYv+MFftfdzWfrSw==,US,,1537898145
186949836,186952766,2018-09-25 17:55:46,"If you want to avoid getting gassed on Judgement day, yes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898146
186949836,186952807,2018-09-25 17:56:11,">>186952696
Yes",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898171
186949836,186952873,2018-09-25 17:56:52,">>186952540
>red shift is caused by increased wavelength (like stretching the waves)
>I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
-Isaiah 45:12
God stretched the Heavens during creation. God also created Light before Creating the Stars. Almost like He created the light in transit and then stretched the heaves. Almost like we would expect a redshift based on this 4,000 year old + account of creation",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898212
186949836,186952884,2018-09-25 17:56:59,">>186952236
The scientific consensus is that the image was produced by something which resulted in oxidation, dehydration and conjugation of the polysaccharide structure of the microfibrils of the linen itself.
Not by ultraviolet light.
Can you also substantiate that the image was created by a uv light source?",,Anonymous,,,,,1537898219
186949836,186953040,2018-09-25 17:58:53,">>186952100
>However all of this website's (http://www.sillybeliefs.com/shroud.html) ""Strong evidence against the authenticity of the shroud"" and ""Circumstantial evidence against the authenticity of the shroud"" has been plausibly answered. 
>And at least one of the claims is simply false, e.g.:
>""There is no blood on the shroud: all the forensic tests specific for blood, and only blood, have failed.""
>The late Dr. Alan D. Adler, whose specialty was blood chemistry, after an exhaustive series of tests confirmed that, ""the red stuff on the Shroud is emphatically, and without any reservation, nothing else but B-L-O-O-D!"" (his emphasis):
>And significantly, the website ignores the perfect match of the bloodstains on the Sudarium of Oviedo as evidence for the Shroud's authenticity!
>So the real silly belief is those who continue to claim that the Shroud is not the burial sheet of Jesus, when: 1. the positive evidence is overwhelmingly that it is; 2. the negative evidence that the Shroud is not authentic can be, and has been, plausibly answered; and 3. those who claim the Shroud is not authentic do not have an adequate alternative explanation of how the image was formed or faked.
http://theshroudofturin.blogspot.com/2009/12/shroud-of-turin-is-burial-sheet-of.html",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898333
186949836,186953070,2018-09-25 17:59:10,">>186949836
>literally the world's fastest dying belief system
>literal commies are more intimidating--at least they starve people to death
>atheist put the ass up for Muslims.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898350
186949836,186953073,2018-09-25 17:59:14,">>186949836
>be jew
>hate Christ
>shill against 2 billion people
>get rekt 
K E K
E
K",,Anonymous,le faggot seal of disgust.jpg,MwB8dij+Mej+NKibHkD45A==,,,1537898354
186949836,186953094,2018-09-25 17:59:27,">>186952873
>Almost like we would expect a redshift based on this 4,000 year old + account of creation
Except noone did",,Anonymous,,,,,1537898367
186949836,186953184,2018-09-25 18:00:24,">>186953094
thats the point moron. People who could never know what a red shift even is wrote a Creation record that fits what we see perfectly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898424
186949836,186953271,2018-09-25 18:01:21,">>186949836
Honestly religion serves a useful purpose for society even If it's not true but like hitler said we got stuck with the wrong religion",,Anonymous,,,,,1537898481
186949836,186953320,2018-09-25 18:01:52,">>186953184
It doesn't though. Which is WHY noone did
>have stretched out the heavens
Not half as wide as you stretched the meaning of that to match data acquired by secular science",,Anonymous,,,,,1537898512
186949836,186953439,2018-09-25 18:03:08,">>186952707
Occam's razor? Why would you need to invent god for something like that.
>>186952873
Yeah, also Earth is 6000 years old and god failed to whoop some iron chariots.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537898588
186949836,186953557,2018-09-25 18:04:15,">>186950287
>British Empire
>Christian
Lmao, we've always been pagans LARPing as Christians. You need to be incredibly retarded and have no knowledge of the religion's core teachings (which is only to be expected of a Catholic, honestly) to think conquering, plundering, and enslaving our way throughout the world was motivated by Christianity. It was the exact opposite of that, and thankfully so. A true Christian Europe is what we have nowadays, a cucked civilisation that turns the other cheek and sacrifices itself for the sake of people who can't possibly appreciate what you're doing for them.
Besides
>image listing all the war feats attributed to Christianity
>""Got rid of plundering and tribal-wars""
>the absolute cognitive dissonance",,Anonymous,pagan europe.png,eXCVbmzbIpHAdXhnE6ahQQ==,GB,,1537898655
186949836,186953614,2018-09-25 18:04:49,">>186949836
Literal communists are scarier and more common than atheists, if only due to disgust factor.
Atheists are like their belief systems; null, void, worthless, pointless, and will die alone in irrelevance.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1537898689
186949836,186953633,2018-09-25 18:04:58,">>186953320
how does it not. Light intransit, then stretched. Red shift, boom.
>>186953439
Occam's razor is a guideline, not a law. I don't need to invent God for this one point, I'm saying the Bible's account of creation fits the evidence we're seeing.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898698
186949836,186953679,2018-09-25 18:05:31,">>186953439
I don't. But I do need god and traditionalism to save the West from complete annihilation.",,Anonymous,K5meZsT.jpg,IzXjws7Jpnmd4SCgo5WAaA==,US,,1537898731
186949836,186953697,2018-09-25 18:05:41,">>186953557
Gtfo kike, true Britain is Christian.
Christian Britain - rules 1/3 of the world
Secular/Atheist Britain - the 3rd world rules it",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537898741
186949836,186953808,2018-09-25 18:06:51,">>186953697
>worldly conquest
>Christian
Imagine being this ignorant.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537898811
186949836,186953883,2018-09-25 18:07:32,>>186949836,,Anonymous,a.jpg,gWFsWoxSfZx08HgY808bcg==,US,,1537898852
186949836,186953946,2018-09-25 18:08:02,">>186953697
David Cameron is a christian. Cecil Rhodes was not",,Anonymous,,,,,1537898882
186949836,186953994,2018-09-25 18:08:29,">>186953808
>denies the fact that Britain was a Christian world power
>calls others ignorant",,Anonymous,1536525411151.png,jGB2lxn/ylcTQhrQXrLE7w==,GB,,1537898909
186949836,186954072,2018-09-25 18:09:18,">>186953946
Cameron is a jew.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537898958
186949836,186954096,2018-09-25 18:09:33,">>186953994
You mean called itself Christian.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537898973
186949836,186954113,2018-09-25 18:09:46,">>186953557
Sort of like how Bowden described himself as ""a philosophical Pagan"" - ie not the turn the other cheek mentality but rather the more common push back if you are pushed mentality. I don't think all christians are cucked pacifists, I mean look at history. I rather try to un-cuck the christian cucks. I mean unless you can point me to a local Pagan church with traditional values? Oh yeah, the pagans all died along with their practice.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537898986
186949836,186954137,2018-09-25 18:10:02,">>186954072
Yeah as I said",,Anonymous,,,,,1537899002
186949836,186954162,2018-09-25 18:10:16,">>186953557
>Lmao, we've always been pagans LARPing as Christians
Holy fuck that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Your ancestors would have quite literally crucified you for blasphemy, for that statement.",,Anonymous,1536367219080.png,p4Qh4oVxLJtZONg0unJ2Tw==,CA,,1537899016
186949836,186954278,2018-09-25 18:11:25,">>186953040
>Sadly, I would have to tell Alan Adler that he is not the person best equipped to pronounce on whether it is real blood or not – that so crucial a question should not have been left in so few hands, and that his resort to the bilirubin get-out to explain an anomalous spectrum was hardly in the best scientific traditions if linked to the biblical narrative, and a presumption of excess “traumatic” bilirubin. I would ask him to produce conclusive scientific evidence for the presence of any bilirubin in those bloodstains, much less an excess, pointing out gently that while he was known as a porphyrin specialist, (let’s avoid the e word, it being highly context specific) I was a bilirubin one, and not impressed by what I had seen thus far from his modus operandi.
>Let’s not mince our words. The blood analysis was ill-thought out and frankly shambolic sub-optimal. There should have been initial experiments first on degraded blood of various ages, of various treatments designed to model advanced age, to find methods of retrieving the porphyrins etc in the native state. The deployment of ferocious agents like hydrazine was frankly incomprehensible. One simply does not do that in biochemistry and physiology.
https://shroudofturinwithoutallthehype.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/heres-what-alan-d-adler-could-should-have-done-to-investigate-the-porphyrins-of-those-anomalous-shroud-bloodstains/",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537899085
186949836,186954281,2018-09-25 18:11:28,">>186952707
Imho, the Big Bang theory NECESSITATES a creator. All the matter in the universe in an area smaller than a plank length? That’s pure fairy tale.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899088
186949836,186954340,2018-09-25 18:12:06,">>186953633
>Yeah, also Earth is 6000 years old and god failed to whoop some iron chariots.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537899126
186949836,186954390,2018-09-25 18:12:31,">>186954113
>I rather try to un-cuck the christian cucks.
That's all fine the problem is if you accept to play this game on christian terms you can't uncuck them because their cucked morale is divine imperative.
Once you accept the christian label the cucks have an authority to back their cuckery.",,Anonymous,,,,,1537899151
186949836,186954490,2018-09-25 18:13:20,">>186954096
Called itself Christian. Therefore the British Empire identified itself as Christian and therefore it was indeed Christian. Finally you're talking sense.
>>186954137
I just noticed the memeflag.
>pic related",,Anonymous,1537637123298.jpg,diVsyv/Kyzd9B6BTTwIa+w==,GB,,1537899200
186949836,186954518,2018-09-25 18:13:32,">>186950525
Amen brother. He is risen.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899212
186949836,186954523,2018-09-25 18:13:37,">>186954281
>the Big Bang theory NECESSITATES a creator
No
>That’s pure fairy tale
It's the most probable current theory. Feel free to prove it's impossibility and collect your nobel prize for physics",,Anonymous,,,,,1537899217
186949836,186954733,2018-09-25 18:15:41,">>186949836
>>186949836
he is the test .....MATTHEW 25;35......this is why prostitutes and tax collectors get in before you pigs....Jesus Christ is my LORD and savior.
you
you 
you
YOU....GEE REV 18;22 went off long ago TRUMP HAS HIS OWN KINGDOM....mini rooms in the mansion DRAIN SWAMP...hmmm skynet why do CHINA wear doctor filter mask and well at least Obama told us who he was blasphemously.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899341
186949836,186954877,2018-09-25 18:17:14,">>186952385
truth is fucking depressing :(",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899434
186949836,186955055,2018-09-25 18:19:04,">>186950660
I'm a Christfag and I fully believe in space. I also think evolution is real, and I occasionally crack open a science book to educate myself about the grandeur and singular uniqueness of the universe he created for us. Don't fall into the trap every fedora tipper is trying to set for you, the notion that Christianity is incompatable with science. There's more of us out there than militant athiest want you to believe. They paint with a broad, acne ridden brush.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899544
186949836,186955207,2018-09-25 18:20:48,">>186954523
>>186954523
>>186954523
when PUNISHING 1st did i do something wrong
2nd ten commandments
3rd perfect example and show them the ultimate act of love sacrifice your life for them
4th POW WOW TIME
YOU
YOU
YOU
the LORD IS MY SHEPPARD i shall not lie... redemption MATTHEW 25;35",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899648
186949836,186955241,2018-09-25 18:21:11,">>186954733
Checked
You should go see a doctor anon...I-I'm worried for you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537899671
186949836,186955493,2018-09-25 18:23:27,">>186954113
>Oh yeah, the pagans all died along with their practice.
Wrong, see the image I posted. All those values that glorify war and exalt the conqueror, that push us towards earthly riches and world domination are pagan through and through. There's ABSOLUTELY nothing Christian about what we achieved, it was at best a costume we wore.
>>186954162
Try actually reading the Bible before flaunting your stupidity here, leaf.
>>186954490
>Called itself Christian. Therefore the British Empire identified itself as Christian and therefore it was indeed Christian
>that image
>the irony",,Anonymous,1526548287970.jpg,y2yk14L0cWJaWlrWS7SsVg==,GB,,1537899807
186949836,186955682,2018-09-25 18:25:11,">>186955055
How do you deal with parts of it that are proven to be wrong?",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537899911
186949836,186955721,2018-09-25 18:25:34,">>186955493
>the irony
nice argument kid",,Anonymous,keksimus.jpg,ICRpSXjdGLMbWCEAe56v7w==,GB,,1537899934
186949836,186955738,2018-09-25 18:25:44,"my friends i made a video about this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts1AwXnKx1s",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537899944
186949836,186955870,2018-09-25 18:26:56,">>186955207
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god. 
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire. 
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god. 
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing. 
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce. 
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) ""I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."" 
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. ""... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."" 
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love. 
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537900016
186949836,186955927,2018-09-25 18:27:32,">>186949836
>religious people are more likely to be violent, get a divorce, and have unprotected sex
Last time I checked this perfectly fit for LGBT community which of course are atheists.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1537900052
186949836,186956273,2018-09-25 18:30:42,">>186955721
>Called himself a woman. Therefore the mentally ill faggot identified himself as a woman and therefore he was indeed a woman
The absolute state of Christcucks in this board.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537900242
186949836,186956285,2018-09-25 18:30:50,>>186950203,,Anonymous,1537907169478.png,jWURrBTf7XmLwJBId1mtrQ==,DE,,1537900250
186949836,186956339,2018-09-25 18:31:22,"VOTE FRIDAY 9:30 AM
19TH AMENDMENT REPEALED ON OCTOBER 1st
ITS FUCKING HAPPENING",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537900282
186949836,186956362,2018-09-25 18:31:34,">>186951910
>Christianity's BELIEF in God and what that implicates VS. Atheists' BELIEF in no God existing and what that implicates
This is such a tired strawman that there's a Bertrand Russell response to it.
It's a false equivalence. There's a significant and obvious difference between claiming a positive belief in whatever God you claim to believe in and holding a position of disbelief in any deity until good evidence supporting that belief comes along.
To illustrate this we have Russell's teapot. Bertrand Russell suggested the idea of a China teapot, orbiting the Sun, somewhere between the orbits of Earth and Mars. The teapot is small enough, and space large enough, that no amount of telescoping and scanning could ever prove conclusively that the teapot is not there. So is there always a chance it exists? Yes. Would it be reasonable then to believe that the teapot, in spite of everything, actually exists? Not quite. For a modern equivalent there's the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There's similarly no conclusively disproving the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, as it is studiously given all the same rhetorical defenses that God enjoys, but that doesn't make you feel like it's real, right?
You don't need to prove a negative before you quite believing in something, and even Christians understand that someone should have evidence of something before believing it; you must see in order to believe. Things like this;
>>186950177
are a testament to that. The religious will claim that they don't need or want evidence and that the mere inability to disprove God totally means that beliefs in God are reasonable. But when someone comes out with something like this which is almost actual evidence for the truth-claims of a religion, the religious come running like starving wolves jumping on a deer. Clearly, even the religious care about evidence, and react with utter joy when they believe they've found some.",,Anonymous,1522785825877.png,PVNkaCVROcTeDxt/pOVCGA==,US,,1537900294
186949836,186956372,2018-09-25 18:31:41,"https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/09/28/2018/executive-business-meeting
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/09/28/2018/executive-business-meeting
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/09/28/2018/executive-business-meeting",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537900301
186949836,186956428,2018-09-25 18:32:10,">>186955682
Parts of which RusBro?",,Anonymous,2wyr6bmybxl11.jpg,+3BhnzqwMMwrc5VO7RdXvA==,US,,1537900330
186949836,186956495,2018-09-25 18:32:42,">>186950660
Science is already discovering the existence of God, so no need",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1537900362
186949836,186956498,2018-09-25 18:32:47,">>186956273
>comparing a tranfag to an ENTIRE POPULATION, which clearly practiced what they believed in. WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN.
Go to sleep man, you're bloody bonkers at this point.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537900367
186949836,186956529,2018-09-25 18:33:03,">>186949836
more like no mastery",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1537900383
186949836,186956574,2018-09-25 18:33:25,">>186956285
okie dokie Achmed",,Anonymous,1537561248212.gif,L88YyEsk/rloV9JP8p3y4A==,US,,1537900405
186949836,186956600,2018-09-25 18:33:31,>>186949836,,Anonymous,j1.jpg,oLOILKDJVvRSw4RjXDexvA==,US,,1537900411
186949836,186956606,2018-09-25 18:33:36,">>186950533
Checked",,Anonymous,,,ES,,1537900416
186949836,186956685,2018-09-25 18:34:24,>>186949836,,Anonymous,the undead chart.gif,BJ8INgz2bKy4qDr2KBMnZQ==,US,,1537900464
186949836,186956837,2018-09-25 18:35:47,">>186954523
>most probable theory
>by a catholic priest
Yeah, and the guy believes in miracles.
Without miracles, the Big Bang is a laughable absurd theory, and it isn’t even that reasonable with God. It’s like catching a rocket halfway through liftoff and assuming it originally fired clean through the earth and out the other side to get to its current position.
>Nobel prize",,Anonymous,47237AEE-0770-4488-94CB-42336EC179C1.jpg,Ab/Mu3plSFFBQiYVY7Vh7g==,US,,1537900547
186949836,186956887,2018-09-25 18:36:13,">>186956428
Bible? 
You never mentioned it in your post, but it is a holy book of yours.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537900573
186949836,186956930,2018-09-25 18:36:34,">>186955493
>Flaunting your stupidity
Says the guy claiming the British Empire wasn't really Christian because Christianity is too peaceful; while ironically flying a flag with St. George's cross on it and all the historical connotations that entails.",,Anonymous,1513642500559.png,I+63UYM2mLQsWKxOU+iZ+w==,CA,,1537900594
186949836,186956999,2018-09-25 18:37:06,">>186956685
This reminds me of some shit I would have said like 15 years ago. One day you will grow up kiddo.",,Anonymous,nike 02.jpg,W0No69hKnxZPe9CL71FrCA==,US,,1537900626
186949836,186957155,2018-09-25 18:38:32,">>186951107
You'd think that the Catholic Church being responsible by literally some of the most important developments in science would convince them of that but really they don't care about reason or science, they just want to masturbate and engage in degeneracy freely, all the rest is just posturing.",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1537900712
186949836,186957253,2018-09-25 18:39:22,>>186956999,,Anonymous,jesus.gif,XQ7eOf2krQpnqrpodGs5aw==,US,,1537900762
186949836,186957326,2018-09-25 18:40:01,">>186956837
So what was an explanation for the lightning before we found out how it actually works?
Also, don't mix up theories and hypotheses.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537900801
186949836,186957357,2018-09-25 18:40:20,">>186955241
>
>>186955241
last time i went to the doctor i died it was very narrow path at the end...10 colors of the rainbow we see 7 last 3 shadow clear and a narrow golden mist path....gee my sky is purple at night..whats that on the rainbow.....see this social media effected the LORDS sanctum temple 2 HEART net needs turned off so he can heal all of you...SOCIAL MEDIA addictions....LORDS prayer Matthew 6;9 has changed tresspasses is know DEPTS.....money...and they have NOT repented....meatloaf-i would do anything for LOVE...but lie
YOU
YOU
YOU 
everything on here is 2nd dimensional deception...HURRICANE FLORENCE gee that happened long ago",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537900820
186949836,186957425,2018-09-25 18:41:05,">>186957326
What the fuck are you talking about.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537900865
186949836,186957508,2018-09-25 18:41:58,">>186957425
I talk about how gods are being used to fill in the blanks in actual knowledge.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537900918
186949836,186957596,2018-09-25 18:42:46,">>186957253
I'm guessing you're literally a kid or some shit.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537900966
186949836,186957623,2018-09-25 18:42:59,>this kills the atheist,,Anonymous,400px-St-thomas-aquinas.jpg,m+eB3JIs+THqd6MLdweMvg==,BR,,1537900979
186949836,186957659,2018-09-25 18:43:16,">>186957508
So you’ve essentially conceded to my previous points and want to move onto... lightning?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537900996
186949836,186957672,2018-09-25 18:43:25,Atheists should just be killed. It's the best for everyone.,,Anonymous,,,,,1537901005
186949836,186957732,2018-09-25 18:44:00,">>186953557
HAHAHAHAHH WE WUZ KANGZ. 
You sound literally like a nigger taking credit for the achievements of white people. 
It was most certaintly because of Christianity. brits during that time made it their #1 priority to spread Christianity, because they nearly saw it as a requirement to spread Christianity and the truth around it. And it was also extremely important to spread it as it had great unification-values. 
And btw, your ancestors hated pagans more than literally any other european country, ever since they first encountered them 787. so stop portraying your ancestors as something they most certaintly wasnt, you disrespectful cuck. They spit on you",,Anonymous,,,NO,,1537901040
186949836,186957813,2018-09-25 18:44:54,">>186956498
>the damage control
>comparing a tranfag to an ENTIRE POPULATION
I'm comparing your shitty argument to a secular power not practicing what they preached. The fact that peasants were Christians says nothing about how the rulers acted. Struggle with it all you want, it's a fact that there was nothing Christian about the British empire (or any other empire, for that matter). From the vikings plundering western Europe to our so called Christian empire conquering the rest of the world there's hardly anything difference in behavior.
>>186956930
I'm sorry, I must have missed that bible chapter where St. George goes on a quest to conquer, plunder, and enslave for shits and giggles.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537901094
186949836,186957926,2018-09-25 18:46:01,">>186952399
underrated post. Atheists, agnostics, jews and fence sitters don't do us any good.",,Anonymous,Atheist Sluts.jpg,xGt5ysQqho4m9Cy+bAOe8A==,US,,1537901161
186949836,186958096,2018-09-25 18:47:47,">>186955055
>Don't fall into the trap every fedora tipper is trying to set for you, the notion that Christianity is incompatable with science.
It's not just Christianity, but more fundamentally the act of faith itself which is incompatible with the scientific viewpoint.
Science is a system for deriving objective knowledge from subjective experience, and to that end it values skepticism above all else. The best scientist is the one who thinks of every possible way he can to prove himself wrong, to make absolutely sure that he's tested his hypothesis against the world in every way he can, and then to let other minds take a crack at it. From the view of a scientist, you should not believe anything without a good argument for it and good evidence supporting that argument, and even then you should stay flexible for when more evidence comes in; only when an idea has been tested for many generations should it start to settle into the bedrock of your worldview.
The act of faith is the opposite, as the act of faith is defined as believing in something without need of evidence. Religious claims do not survive skeptical inquiry because they are based on divine revelation, the idea that you can have truth revealed to you by a magical source and have it be just as true as anything you learn via evidence. These claims are unverified and unverifiable, which in the scientific view means they can't be believed.
You cannot have the scientific viewpoint that you should only consider something to be truth when there is evidence and argument that convinces you of that truth while simultaneously believing that you can learn the most grand and intimate mysteries of the universe without any evidence at all. It's dissonance of the highest order.",,Anonymous,1516166242454.png,EYyfY5N56EOQSLz3ZdkrgA==,US,,1537901267
186949836,186958169,2018-09-25 18:48:32,">>186957732
>It was most certaintly because of Christianity. brits during that time made it their #1 priority to spread Christianity
LMAO",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537901312
186949836,186958276,2018-09-25 18:49:28,">>186952765
So, options ruled out as irrational regarding Mohammed flying up to heaven on his magic horse
A) The eyewitnesses are lying
B) The eyewitnesses were all hallucinating the same thing at each occurence
C)The myth of this event evolved over time (legend hypothesis)
D) Mohammed used some sort of horse-looking flying machine which made it appear that he flew up to heaven
Options left:
E) Mohammed actually had a flying horse which took him up to heaven
F) ???
The only reason to deny option E in light of the evidence is the sort of circular reasoning in your pic related. 
Btw, when the Gospel of Matthew says that when Jesus died there was a massive earthquake which split the Temple in two, resurrected the dead and had them walk through the city en masse and talk to people (something none of the other gospels even claim) yes, I grant myself the right to say that someone made that shit up and I don't have to play your stupid game of pondering how reasonable it is to believe in miracles, aka believing in the physically impossible, to be certain of it. 
>
“Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said. 'One can't believe impossible things.'
I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast""
Quote from Alice through the looking glass, you tell me how profound your shit sounds coming from people like the Mad Hatter.",,Anonymous,1531780687972.jpg,2dRchYta8jKrc1zMg4WwTw==,DE,,1537901368
186949836,186958380,2018-09-25 18:50:29,">>186949836
Get off your /pol/ your kind isn't welcome here",,Anonymous,1518233824142.png,tCbuXRmHg0SMajjxxAGOcQ==,CA,,1537901429
186949836,186958466,2018-09-25 18:51:17,">>186958096
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology",,Anonymous,1537022831486.jpg,doxMnazsO6oFMLljz3YEww==,US,,1537901477
186949836,186958468,2018-09-25 18:51:19,">>186957659
Point me in the direction of an actual points made.
>Without miracles, the Big Bang is a laughable absurd theory, and it isn’t even that reasonable with God. It’s like catching a rocket halfway through liftoff and assuming it originally fired clean through the earth and out the other side to get to its current position.
It's the best we have now, also it is much sturdier than you present it as it explains quite a few things. Your rocket analogy is pure bs.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537901479
186949836,186958604,2018-09-25 18:52:33,">>186958276
There weren't actually any eyewitnesses to Mohammed though, it was all private revelation for this one person. You don't even know the things you talk about, why is this so typical of atheists?",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1537901553
186949836,186958660,2018-09-25 18:53:07,">>186957926
It's kind of weird to see two people with King of the Hill tattoos next to each other.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537901587
186949836,186958885,2018-09-25 18:55:08,>>186958660,,Anonymous,giphy (5).gif,whVVCqoTx4rAfcQ0d7aN0w==,US,,1537901708
186949836,186958982,2018-09-25 18:56:11,">>186957926
Why do people do that to themselves",,Anonymous,,,BR,,1537901771
186949836,186959026,2018-09-25 18:56:36,">>186958468
No it isn’t. The entirety of the Big Bang theory is reversing the current movements of heavenly bodies to an absurd conclusion; and assuming that conclusion is factual with literally zero evidence.
Were that not enough, they believe all the matter in the universe could be contained in an area smaller than a Planck length. Were that not enough the believe it to be able to escape its own gravity and scatter in every direction.
Absolutely absurd to the point of being offensive.
But hey, you learned it in (((school))) and on (((tv))) so it must be true via consensus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537901796
186949836,186959094,2018-09-25 18:57:17,">>186958604
He's talking about the flying horse shit, retard. The quran claims people witnessed that much like the bible claims people witnessed Jesus' miracles.
No evidence of either.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537901837
186949836,186959097,2018-09-25 18:57:20,">>186952691
Standard outdated Christian garble every atheist who's done their homework has already heard at least a dozen times. 
Get up to speed at least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQmMFQzrEsc&t=623s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAEghxnK3UU",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537901840
186949836,186959154,2018-09-25 18:57:52,">>186958982
I have some pretty stupid tats dude. I fell for the counter-culture meme. We all make mistakes.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537901872
186949836,186959414,2018-09-25 19:00:30,">>186959097
Does the first video actually use orthodox sources or does it use one of the 600 protestant english translations of the bible that are scattered among the 1000's of denominations? It uses the latter I'm willing to bet... which is invalid anyways sooo, I don't care.jpg",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902030
186949836,186959613,2018-09-25 19:02:34,">>186957926
Is that the Sex Pistons?",,Anonymous,,,EE,,1537902154
186949836,186959646,2018-09-25 19:02:52,">>186959097
>Bottom
gee wouldn't it be safer to die a believer and there be nothing than die a disbeliever and FACE THE ALMIGHTY....scientifically speaking...MATTHEW 25;35 redemption......and the 10 commandments are in the HOPI native American museum.
you
you
YOU
YOU
TEXAS CORPUS CHRISTI-CHRIST....HOW OLD IS aMERICA THE REAL ISRAEL..",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902172
186949836,186959650,2018-09-25 19:02:54,">>186959094
The best eye witness reports we have are authors of the now canonical New Testament, who so little are known about in contemporary history that they are practically anonymous. There are no contemporary historical accounts of the non-negotiable parts of Jesus' life besides his crucifixion. If we have contemporary sources for Yeshua's death, don't you at LEAST think we would have gotten a few about how the sky turned black and there was a violent earthquake during the crucifixion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902174
186949836,186959670,2018-09-25 19:03:07,">>186959613
? fuck if I know",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902187
186949836,186959748,2018-09-25 19:03:55,">>186952259
>how much of a faggot are you?
>memeflag",,Anonymous,1097091254.jpg,gjKb5HCBjef0zhyDTcmN/g==,US,,1537902235
186949836,186959900,2018-09-25 19:05:38,">>186959650
I do. Never mind the Zombie Walk in Jerusalem from the Gospel of Matthew. 
You might to reply to the right poster though.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537902338
186949836,186959978,2018-09-25 19:06:20,">>186958604
>Insists that there weren't any people in either Mecca or Jerusalem to witness Mohammed take off or land
Did Jesus ever get any instant revelations the way Mohammed did? How many people did Jesus convert in his lifetime and how far did he spread his religion compared to Mohammed?
Oh right, christianity was just another sect of Judaism until Paul came along and insisted to have received updated info from Jesus about how you could make more converts by removing the clause about having to chop the tip of your dick off, combined with other shit Paul himself made up and bickered with the church of Jerusalem over...and then the religion stayed an edgy underground cult for disenfranchised losers until Constantine took it mainstream but still did not manage to spread it with either the efficiency or zeal of islam.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537902380
186949836,186960093,2018-09-25 19:07:33,">>186949836
> No Gods no masters
> Man as God
Same old, same old",,Anonymous,380px-Jan_Brueghel_de_Oude_en_Peter_Paul_Rubens_-_Het_aards_paradijs_met_de_zondeval_van_Adam_en_Eva.jpg,qPXEf/9h7WpkO0pjf/xZmA==,,,1537902453
186949836,186960133,2018-09-25 19:07:59,">>186959026
No, it was more then Plank length. 
Plank length is a l e n g t h, it has no volume. It is one-dimensional.
You are probably thinking about the 3-dimensional volume of the universe at the Planck time (time is the fourth dimension), but in theories of quantum gravity there are 13 or more dimensions, so you would have to specify values for the other 9 dimensions too.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537902479
186949836,186960145,2018-09-25 19:08:09,">>186949900
That is not a Christian answer though",,Anonymous,,,,,1537902489
186949836,186960180,2018-09-25 19:08:37,">>186949836
Most athiest had no father so in turn they hate authority and hate God",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902517
186949836,186960419,2018-09-25 19:10:58,">>186956837
and OBAMA told you all who he was blasphemously publicly shamed the holy bible his mother was a royal lineage as well...Agenda 21 ....Mark Zuckerberg TRIAL1 DAY 2..well Obama...yeah Obama owns facebook...3 foreign guys blk person dating site set up in Austin Texas...Obama shot in head red carpet..Alex Jones filmed it..Jones worshipped the beast and his image...WHAT 10 kingdoms took in facebook...what 7 apps are linked..REV13....Obama broke peace end of term...made sure to give the poorest of poor a free seed killing cellphone...go microwave a egg...Abortion taboo...
YOU
YOU
YOU
OBAMA PROMOTOR of gay unnatural union...gee black old sun..jimmy cracked corn..his secret13...13th floor always goes missing 103 million people on twitter following him to his 13th floor",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902658
186949836,186960511,2018-09-25 19:11:49,">>186950339
At what point did it all go so wrong with the Catholic Church? The Pope is now warning folks against antisemitism",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902709
186949836,186960584,2018-09-25 19:12:30,">>186960133
You do realize you’ve been forced to resort to pedantry and invoking more non-science, right?
You realize that is t a very good look, right?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902750
186949836,186960598,2018-09-25 19:12:42,">>186959414
Sure, keep yourself ignorant about where the argument is at at this point, only makes our job easier of disregarding all of you.",,Anonymous,,,DE,,1537902762
186949836,186960732,2018-09-25 19:14:09,">>186949836
You still have a religion. Probably Science or being a government boot licker.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902849
186949836,186960760,2018-09-25 19:14:27,">>186960133
Let me put this another way for you: all the atoms in the universe can not occupy a space considerably smaller than an atom. The theory is an insult to intelligence.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902867
186949836,186960821,2018-09-25 19:15:03,">>186960598
>disregard me, it makes it easier to disregard you
Kek.",,Anonymous,E1113338-1EDE-4700-A172-A4DDD6EAAE56.jpg,CpJPcz/I7ktPROZOA0MY1Q==,US,,1537902903
186949836,186960913,2018-09-25 19:15:58,">>186960511
Fuck if I know. I just started going to a Serbian Orthodox Church. The pope seems like a faggot honestly.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537902958
186949836,186961013,2018-09-25 19:17:04,">>186953557
>A true Christian Europe is what we have nowadays, a cucked civilisation that turns the other cheek and sacrifices itself for the sake of people who can't possibly appreciate what you're doing for them
Well said",,Anonymous,1537848015684.jpg,M+eQyFKgE5jrplWoHg0YzQ==,AU,,1537903024
186949836,186961070,2018-09-25 19:17:43,">>186960584
And you failed to give me an actual point with your 
>i dun like it it's stupid
argument.
>First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.
>Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called ""Hubble's Law,"" named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.
>Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.
>Finally, the abundance of the ""light elements"" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537903063
186949836,186961226,2018-09-25 19:19:31,">>186961013
yet according to voting data christians overwhelmingly vote Republican. Also, not too many Eastern Orthodox people in these pictures...interesting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537903171
186949836,186961305,2018-09-25 19:20:21,">>186960760
According to the current model there were no atoms or even subatomic particles in the Plank epoch.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537903221
186949836,186961320,2018-09-25 19:20:35,">>186961070
>therefore the rocket clearly bored through the planet from the other side.
I don’t understand how you don’t get how retarded this is. See this again: >>186960760",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537903235
186949836,186961432,2018-09-25 19:21:58,">>186961305
So all the matter and energy in the universe popped into existence all at once, you say?
Reminds me of a book I read once. Have you heard of The Bible?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537903318
186949836,186961451,2018-09-25 19:22:07,">>186961226
Always trust a burger to miss the point completely",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1537903327
186949836,186961530,2018-09-25 19:23:00,If I claim to be a wise man...,,Anonymous,,,US,,1537903380
186949836,186961582,2018-09-25 19:23:34,">>186961451
Sorry m8, too busy drafting up my gas chamber. God Bless.",,Anonymous,1537184332618.jpg,npxJAcScvHo67bObuMBYVQ==,US,,1537903414
186949836,186962396,2018-09-25 19:33:02,">>186961013
This is what Christians wanted apparently. For the meek to inherit the earth and lose it on the next day.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537903982
186949836,186962511,2018-09-25 19:34:14,">>186961320
I already understand that you love that rocket strawman.
Now, could you get to the point?
>>186961432
Planck epoch is not explained yet, yes. Yet. 
Now get to the >>186961070
If there were 2 holes on the opposite sides of the Earth with some scrapped paint on the sides of one, freshly formed rock at the bottom of them both, and a pieces of said rock on a rocket, then yes, it probably flew right through.",,Anonymous,,,RU,,1537904054
186949836,186963559,2018-09-25 19:44:56,">>186961013
yes goy suicide is very Christian, good for you!",,Anonymous,stupid jew.jpg,wq7XynZW2HRJWoXqGt9N1Q==,US,,1537904696
186949836,186964829,2018-09-25 19:57:23,">>186963559
In Christianity it's called martyrdom.",,Anonymous,,,GB,,1537905443
186949836,186965094,2018-09-25 19:59:54,">>186962511
How can you be this retarded?ive explained it plainly, I’ve tried analogies...you seem willingly ignorant on this.
The Big Bang theory is based on the presumption we can just reverse current trends and arrive at truth. They take this to the illogical extreme and continue moving everything together until it is at the smallest point imaginable.
Why isn’t it an inch? Or a foot? Or a mile in diameter? Or millions? By what authority do we assume it all leads back to a planck?
No, zip, zero, nada. We ignore the existence of a possible launch pad because we just want to say “if it’s going this way now, it must have been going that way forever until the physics break entirely”",,Anonymous,,,US,,1537905594
186949836,186965546,2018-09-25 20:04:15,">>186949836
>Cringe
>The thread",,Anonymous,1483485925736.png,sgAdfa4eQYtDK2O6tJ+4Jw==,US,,1537905855
187678671,187678671,2018-09-30 21:13:38,White men are to smart for fairy tales,Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1528218379869.jpg,2iXDu5Yl0aCMq26SoRVP9A==,US,,1538342018
187678671,187679007,2018-09-30 21:16:48,>>187678671,,Anonymous,1386094988354.jpg,lWRFE1ZRV10WHVOJsOUh2w==,NZ,,1538342208
187678671,187679148,2018-09-30 21:18:12,">>187679007
Too dumb to use the right use of “too” though. stupid fucking nigger.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538342292
187678671,187679199,2018-09-30 21:18:45,>>187678671,,Anonymous,IMG_1874.png,QJrrWJXzHMFy8zbm/DO4cw==,US,,1538342325
187678671,187679299,2018-09-30 21:19:44,">>187678671
>Atheists
>Athletic bodies
lol",,Anonymous,,,UY,,1538342384
187678671,187679372,2018-09-30 21:20:14,">>187678671
you arnt smart enough to recognize your own blind spots. Deism is the way to go",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538342414
187678671,187679632,2018-09-30 21:22:40,">>187678671
If only if they were too smart to empathize with niggers and women.",,Anonymous,,,,,1538342560
187678671,187679751,2018-09-30 21:23:51,">>187678671
Fairy tales are quintessentially European you twat.",,Anonymous,1508792711349.jpg,0LEGMYO9ik8GNmZw9HgFdw==,US,,1538342631
187678671,187679876,2018-09-30 21:25:22,>>187678671,,Anonymous,tips (2).jpg,Q8xdJkj0Bf8TG10/75AJKQ==,US,,1538342722
187678671,187679897,2018-09-30 21:25:33,">life cam to existence from a bunch of rocks
you can't have better fairy tale than that",,Anonymous,,,,,1538342733
187678671,187680032,2018-09-30 21:27:04,"NYC Jew, i support this thread, stop being oppressed by Christians who support trad values.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538342824
187678671,187680113,2018-09-30 21:28:02,">>187679007
>adhering to a religion centered around a kike
>going to reply to this with kys kike",,Anonymous,christcucksbtfo.png,QPsqUOjlXRKE0NLuD2XKNg==,US,,1538342882
187678671,187680155,2018-09-30 21:28:28,">>187679199
>>187679299
check them hahaha, get fucked OP.",,Anonymous,1537919296613.jpg,1g/+3Xz2+kI2/LrXbFe15A==,GB,,1538342908
187678671,187680202,2018-09-30 21:28:58,">>187678671
>1 post by this ID
You guys keep calling for these slide threads, more and more every day.
>Anon, I am disappoint.",,Anonymous,1538273819046.jpg,+ZpfI7rctsB7FmMERPC0/g==,US,,1538342938
187678671,187680250,2018-09-30 21:29:25,">>187678671
I like this image, OP. Where did it come from and where can I find more?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538342965
187678671,187680287,2018-09-30 21:29:55,">white men are to smart for fairy tales
>believes in big bang
>believes in evolution",,Anonymous,d33.jpg,KJDaD1tsMWxknkdAk3Jj3Q==,CA,,1538342995
187678671,187680420,2018-09-30 21:31:12,">>187680113
No. I will remind you that our current translations of the bible are all _very__heavily_ remixed by kikes. If this was not the case, no Christian would ever once circumcise his child.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343072
187678671,187680505,2018-09-30 21:31:59,">>187680113
>no Biblical citation",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343119
187678671,187680558,2018-09-30 21:32:29,">>187680505
>YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE! IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IN THE BIBLE THAT THE BIBLE IS CORRECT HAHA I BET THAT MADE YOU FEEL DUMB
kys",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343149
187678671,187680640,2018-09-30 21:33:19,">>187680558
not even a valid response",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343199
187678671,187680711,2018-09-30 21:33:53,">>187678671
*too",,Anonymous,3d kek.gif,9eTfU38grmucHF9W4TuA0w==,US,,1538343233
187678671,187680818,2018-09-30 21:34:49,">>187680640
jew lick some more nigger feet, christkike. Your sandnigger religion has single handedly ruined europe.",,Anonymous,cucked pope.jpg,NhrfblaN2wv8S82P1iT3ew==,US,,1538343289
187678671,187680832,2018-09-30 21:34:59,you have no knowledge of the reciprocal realm which is why you fail,,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343299
187678671,187680951,2018-09-30 21:36:11,">>187680818
>calls anon a Christkike
>posts picture of Catholic 
???",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343371
187678671,187681014,2018-09-30 21:36:48,Yet we need some kind of civic religion to bind us together. Can we have an intelligent religion that doesn't depend on silly fairytales?,,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343408
187678671,187681032,2018-09-30 21:36:59,">>187678671
Don't insult based Boris Vallejo by bringing his god-tier art into your newfag shitposting.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343419
187678671,187681042,2018-09-30 21:37:08,">>187680951
>my way of worshiping the kike sect is the correct one",,Anonymous,christkikes.gif,pdQ2woMo8ItKSy6YqDnUJw==,US,,1538343428
187678671,187681223,2018-09-30 21:38:48,">>187681042
Jesus, a Jew so redpilled he turned against the Jews",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343528
187678671,187681257,2018-09-30 21:39:10,">>187680505
INRI",,Anonymous,,,JP,,1538343550
187678671,187681272,2018-09-30 21:39:22,">>187681223
jewsus was a semitic arab",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343562
187678671,187681361,2018-09-30 21:40:18,">>187681272
ok.. and whats that mean to me?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343618
187678671,187681433,2018-09-30 21:40:58,">>187681042
Ok, Mr. Masterrace, what is the ""proper"" religion?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343658
187678671,187681471,2018-09-30 21:41:21,">>187681433
religion in any form is cancer.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343681
187678671,187681548,2018-09-30 21:42:00,">>187681471
That doesn't sound very master race of you.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343720
187678671,187681634,2018-09-30 21:42:44,">>187678671
>one post by this id
Not even a fag like OP believes in atheism. God-haters btfo.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343764
187678671,187681696,2018-09-30 21:43:23,">Humans don't know why we dream or the science behind how bikes work
>Atheists BELIEVE there is nothing after death
lol",,Anonymous,neil degrasse tyson.jpg,A6kNGhJ7ZnfRJljUzAaKFg==,US,,1538343803
187678671,187681936,2018-09-30 21:45:38,">>187678671
What are they pointing at?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343938
187678671,187681944,2018-09-30 21:45:44,">>187678671
I'm not a Christian or religious.
But the Bible is heavily warped versions of real stories that predate the Bible, going back to Sumeria, Egypt, Atlantis and before.
You have to read the ancient clay tablets for the non-warped version of the stories, many are far more detailed than the watered down bible crap.
It was all The Annunaki, they existed. They were flesh and blood beings who physically lived in the Temples their human slaves built for them, and served them in.
Human and animal sacrifices were literally because a flesh and blood god-creature ATE the person sacrificed right then and there. The altar was their giant dinner table because they were 12 feet tall.
The Egyptian, Sumerian, Aztec, and Atlantean gods were all the same beings.
Poseidon was Enki.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538343944
187678671,187682228,2018-09-30 21:48:36,">>187681944
If this is news for any of you, it's spelled out in the tablets with no ambiguity. (((Historians))) have read what it literally says and thought ""That's impossible. I'll have to interpret this in a modern framework of what is possible and ignore what it literally says. It must be metaphorical! Yes! Because I can't comprehend such a thing happening these historical records must instead be metaphorical!""",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344116
187678671,187682229,2018-09-30 21:48:35,">>187678671
>general thread
>no links
>1 post by this id
>no info on subject at hand
Pathetic and sad. Many such cases.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344115
187678671,187682263,2018-09-30 21:48:51,">>187678671
>to smart for fairy tales
>to
And you realize that picture is a reference to Adam and Eve, yes?",,Anonymous,1429904200644.png,EZmVTA6JNPqH7DanmjRCeg==,US,,1538344131
187678671,187682365,2018-09-30 21:49:46,">>187681696
Science behind how bikes work? What are you talking about, bud?",,Anonymous,123125.jpg,vU6yOOlxUT1n5ZF5i5Zk/w==,,,1538344186
187678671,187682478,2018-09-30 21:50:53,>to smart,,Anonymous,1_39h5GN7jaHvB6aJ7M9W7_w.png,h2SHG+1CZ3fGT27SdOzO7w==,US,,1538344253
187678671,187682559,2018-09-30 21:51:42,">>187678671
STOP! Remember that shills and redditors hate Pony. Post a pony in the shill threads to keep Schlomo away anons.",,Anonymous,1538016530445.png,pWNFtsh85xDX4LKP4o5bTg==,US,,1538344302
187678671,187682644,2018-09-30 21:52:48,">>187680711
does anyone else notice how every niggers has those herpes bumps all over their whole body?
what the fuck is it?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344368
187678671,187682742,2018-09-30 21:53:47,">>187681696
well, pressure on one side of the pedal causes it to rotate, which then rotates a set of gears which eventually rotate the rear wheel
as the rear wheel turns, the whole bike is pushed forward and the front wheel rotates
as the bike gains speed, the forward motion makes balancing much easier
rinse and repeat for each push of the pedals",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344427
187678671,187682760,2018-09-30 21:54:03,">>187682644
Those are whiteheads. Everyone with skin pores get them.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344443
187678671,187682800,2018-09-30 21:54:24,">>187682228
For example, historians know that Marduk was a real human king who actually existed and ruled Babylon. So they admit Marduk existed. But they ignore that the tablets themselves say he was not a human, but a non-human Annunaki god, because it doesn't fit in their realm of possibilities. And because Marduk ruled for something like 800 years, they rationalize it like ""Ah! Then Marduk must be some sort of title that was passed down! There were multiple Marduks! Each one a successor to the one before!"" Even though this is complete bullshit and the tablets straight up say he was a non-human 12 foot tall god-creature who ruled them for 800 years and ate human flesh and blood in sacrifices he demanded.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344464
187678671,187682822,2018-09-30 21:54:41,">>187682760
.... not me....?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344481
187678671,187682845,2018-09-30 21:54:53,">>187680032
Yes goy, be sure to worship the dead kike on a stick. (((Christianity))) destroyed the Roman Empire",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344493
187678671,187682920,2018-09-30 21:55:35,">>187680113
fucking retard.",,Anonymous,jesus jews.png,0g9v3YIctaMIHbr9mDqc9A==,US,,1538344535
187678671,187682982,2018-09-30 21:56:19,Christfags and their kike-on-a-pike hold us all back. They will never be all in for their nation.,,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344579
187678671,187683373,2018-09-30 22:00:14,">>187682982
jews were kicked out of christian countries 109 times.
many times they were genocided.
these jews are unironically satanic pagans, and for the public they larp as atheists but behind closed doors worship moloch, baal, ishtar, ISIS, shiva, odin etc...
there are gods and godesses in front of the white house and on its ceiling and inside a ton of paintings all over.
kikes are pagans, they made freemasonry, they made all the mystery schools and secret societies, kabala etc...
their number one enemy are christians (white christians in particular).
not pisslam, not hindus. only white christians",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344814
187678671,187683399,2018-09-30 22:00:27,">>187682800
A quick rundown on the Annunaki is they created humans as nothing more than slaves and food. They didn't give a shit about us and killed us by the thousands when we disobeyed. They were about 100 years more advanced than we are now. Children with too much power, just like we will be. When the great flood came almost all of them left Earth because they knew before hand. They let us all die.
The ones who remained behind stayed alive ruling places for thousands of years until dying of old age, getting killed by freak accidents, such as getting into lethal fights with other gods, or accidentally crashing their Vimanas into mountains (this actually happened to at least one of them) while not paying attention, etc.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538344827
187678671,187684058,2018-09-30 22:06:50,">>187683399
the annunaki are the nephilim.
angels came to earth to breed with human women, and their offspring were the nephilim.
the angels were bound until the day of judgement. Azazel (the angel whose idea it was to breed with women) is in the ground in the desert bound right now.
the nephilim were worshipped as gods on earth, as they were giant ""some 40 feet tall"".
the nephilim it says in the bible taught men sorcery and magical incantations, secret knowledge of the universe such as free energy. how to levitate objects with sound and move them.
thats how the pyramids were made, even herodotus says it, but modern historians dismiss it as a joke.
another thing the nephilim taught was how to merge humans and animals.
they were making centaurs, minotaurs and satyrs, and women were fucking them ""all flesh had become corrupt"".
these things were not ""mythological"". nothing in history was. these were real creatures that did exist in the earth.
God killed the abominations with the flood. thats what it was all about",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345210
187678671,187684215,2018-09-30 22:08:27,">atheism is the truth
>its depressing as fuck",,Anonymous,,,AU,,1538345307
187678671,187684281,2018-09-30 22:09:08,">>187678671
*too",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345348
187678671,187684418,2018-09-30 22:10:26,">>187684058
also niggers were the slave race that the nephilim (or annunaki) made.
because all the ancient gold mines exist in southern africa.
the entirety of rural south africa is covered in gold.mines, each one ascends straight down into earth in perfect circles like it was done with lasers. flawless, we cant even mimic it today without machines, and there are tens of thousands of them.
of course, niggers werent ""made"" by thr nephilim because they cant create anything. all they can do is take one of Gods creations and corrupt it.
niggers are literally a cross between monkeys and white men (israelites).",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345426
187678671,187684507,2018-09-30 22:11:20,">>187684418
niggers are literally a slave species made to mine gold.
LOL",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345480
187678671,187684652,2018-09-30 22:12:49,">>187684058
More like the Nephilim are the Annunaki being that it predates the bible by thousands of years.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345569
187678671,187684788,2018-09-30 22:14:08,">>187684652
wtf is the annunaki?",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345648
187678671,187684826,2018-09-30 22:14:30,">>187684058
but I'm thinking you know more than me from some things you said.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345670
187678671,187685113,2018-09-30 22:17:08,">>187682742
Satanic lies. The eternal form of the bike has divinely ordered properties that make it move and balance.The greatest bike possible is so great it's impossible to fathom.",,Anonymous,,,,,1538345828
187678671,187685245,2018-09-30 22:18:40,">>187684652
the earth is 6,000 years old and the sumerian tablets claim their kings were 54,000 years old and reigned for millions of years.
they also worshipped them as gods and believed they were responisble for creation.
the israelites (whites) duty was to spread the truth in the world, carriers of the Holy Word of God.
That was our job.
as for the ashkenazis 
revelations 3:9
revelations 2:9
these ashkenazis are not the jews of the bible, no one knows where the fuck these satanists came from.
its estimated theyre khazars from the caucases.
in any case, many ashkenazis are 60% german and heavily admixed with europeans at this point.
but they are not hebrews.
but this pagan lie is what the satanic elite believes and you also believe.
its going to be presented to the world as ""lost history thats been covered up!"".
and the nephilim will come back in the last days, and everyone will be fooled and believe they are our creators and they gave us civilization. and they will reteach us lost knowledge and claim God is the real enemy.
and you will thereby side with the new world order, the ashkenazi satanist pagans, and the nephilim to make war against Jesus.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345920
187678671,187685369,2018-09-30 22:19:55,">>187684418
yea I read the nephilim/annunaki made blacks first to do manual labor, working themselves to death in the mines. then upon realizing they were too stupid to do anything else, created new races of man to be higher-level servants, who would construct cities and temples for them and even be their house-servants to take care of them personally.
all things blacks were too primitive to do.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538345995
187678671,187685527,2018-09-30 22:21:32,">>187684788
annunaki is what pagans call them.
annunaki means (sons of the gods).
they are the offspring of angels. the angels were worshipped as gods.
the pagan gods of antiquity did exist, and they are just fallen angels of the bible.
there is one story of the world. only one.
and its always been Pagans siding with satan, and jews (who were actually whites) siding with God.
and the ""jews"" of today are a rootless race of ashkenazi khazars and not the jews of the bible.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346092
187678671,187685544,2018-09-30 22:21:42,">>187682365
>>187682742
We do not understand the forces that keep the bike going, why a riderless bike stays up right and rides straight, among other things.
Basically one of the mysteries it can recover from wobbles to stay upright and why its easy to ride, but like, we don't know why.
Quantum physics professors are baffled by this shit, and so I highly doubt a troll on the internet can comprehend the possibility of an omnipotent deity.
Agnostics are fine, atheism is a cancer.
Also most atheists believe in multiple genders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346102
187678671,187685603,2018-09-30 22:22:18,">>187684418
>of course, niggers werent ""made"" by thr nephilim because they cant create anything. all they can do is take one of Gods creations and corrupt it.
This ties in with ancient African legends too. That before the Nephilim/Annunaki came to them, humans were perfect, created in God's image. The Nephilim promised to ""improve"" them but instead secretly fucked them up. Removing the divine spirit from them, which was sort of like removing their psychic powers. The African legend say humans had no speech back then and communicated telepathically. But they came, and fucked our shit up and took us away from the divine.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346138
187678671,187685652,2018-09-30 22:22:45,">>187678671
Apparently not, judging by the religious idiots in this thread.",,Anonymous,,,,,1538346165
187678671,187685863,2018-09-30 22:24:44,">>187685652
>calls others idiots
>thinks he has any credibility with a meme flag",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346284
187678671,187685886,2018-09-30 22:24:57,">>187685245
very cool, thanks. gonna have to look into some of those details i hadn't heard of til now",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346297
187678671,187686022,2018-09-30 22:26:11,">>187685603
thats why there was jew and gentile, and the gentile was seen as dirty in the bible.
jews were pure whites with untainted blood.
and gentiles (niggers, asiatics etc..) were corrupted humans (whites) with animal and other dirty dna in their veins.
which is also mixing with gentiles was forbidden for a long time.
but God made the gentiles clean eventually. but we can still see the side effects physically of the lesser races.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346371
187678671,187686078,2018-09-30 22:26:44,">>187684058
Exactly",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1538346404
187678671,187686125,2018-09-30 22:27:06,"> to smart
> to",,Anonymous,220px-Dancing_maenad_Python_BM_VaseF253.jpg,4hXmXgrHqt5PrO9WgfKBbg==,US,,1538346426
187678671,187686153,2018-09-30 22:27:20,">>187685527
or ""sons of Anu"", Anu being just their name for the 1 true god. Which apparently is also Yahweh",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346440
187678671,187686320,2018-09-30 22:28:47,">>187678671
If God doesn't exist then morals are arbitrary and the woman in the pic shouldn't cover her tits",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346527
187678671,187686383,2018-09-30 22:29:23,">>187686153
yup.
ancient pagans knew God exists. its just that they HATED God.
they opposed him, and worshipped the rebel angels and nephilim because they were in an intentional rebellion against the word of God.
this is something modern larping ""pagans"" have no clue about.",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346563
187678671,187686734,2018-09-30 22:33:13,">>187685886
here is a good place to start.
https://youtu.be/uof4oN6UaZ4",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538346793
187678671,187687838,2018-09-30 22:43:00,">>187681696
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.17d2b1f30747
This is why actual science >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pop/celebrity science. Actual science cares about finding the truth even at the expense of their beliefs. Celebrity pop science only cares about parroting liberal talking points and rubber-stamping their bullshit with the label ""SCIENCE"".",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538347380
187678671,187688786,2018-09-30 22:52:02,The fact this thread went anywhere besides too* is why you faggot whites will always be slaves,,Anonymous,,,US,,1538347922
187678671,187689250,2018-09-30 22:56:47,">>187679007
Fpbp",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538348207
187678671,187689332,2018-09-30 22:57:24,">>187679299
Btfo",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538348244
187678671,187690107,2018-09-30 23:05:04,">>187678671
>to 
You stupid fuck",,Anonymous,A8172DA0-0F42-49FD-AAA7-C21AA02AD3FC.png,f8Bc7J54rExPj38eoN6F8g==,US,,1538348704
187678671,187690586,2018-09-30 23:09:43,">>187681696
interdasting",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538348983
187678671,187690688,2018-09-30 23:10:46,">>187690107
>>187688786
>falling for this bait",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538349046
187678671,187692922,2018-09-30 23:33:53,">>187678671
>to smart
-mfw",,Anonymous,F8A63D64-2830-47E0-8C17-A77A8136442E.jpg,jGxwn3fYXbuHyhHMfpoEEQ==,US,,1538350433
187678671,187692997,2018-09-30 23:34:39,">>187678671
Atheists are worse than Jews.",,Anonymous,Christians saved America.png,Wkm8XyddbGg9QATSwQzpRw==,US,,1538350479
187678671,187693097,2018-09-30 23:35:41,">>187678671
Atheists really are worse than Jews.",,Anonymous,Christians Did It.png,BaIciF+zUn6w3Cyl5Sey6g==,US,,1538350541
187678671,187693166,2018-09-30 23:36:21,">>187678671
>to smart
Kek",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538350581
187678671,187693303,2018-09-30 23:37:42,">>187685544
>We do not understand the forces that keep the bike going, why a riderless bike stays up right and rides straight, among other things.
lol I just googled this and it's true lmao
science is such a sham",,Anonymous,,,MX,,1538350662
187678671,187694399,2018-09-30 23:49:13,">>187678671
In life you got a 50/50 shot of finding out the truth and a 25% at best of actually believing it then you add false religion to the mix your odds of believing the actual simple truth drastically go down.Either Jesus Christ paid for all your sins or he didn't pay for none,either He was GOD in a human body or he is a fucking liar but GOD doesn't lie and that spells DOOM for a lot of people HELL forever.
https://streamable.com/w95yp",,Anonymous,easy.jpg,XClfIRGYyPVSFMyLE43eMw==,US,,1538351353
187988635,187988635,2018-10-03 21:32:32,Missing Link Found,Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,hfghfghfghjj.jpg,u9ffp86AG5VURN2p2gajyg==,US,,1538602352
188423151,188423151,2018-10-06 21:04:09,"White people are to smart for your stupid sky Daddies 
https://cheekyvideos.net/murdoch/Skydaddies%20Being%20and%20Time.html",Atheism General /Ag/,Anonymous,1528218379869.jpg,2iXDu5Yl0aCMq26SoRVP9A==,US,,1538859849
188423151,188423591,2018-10-06 21:07:40,t.,,Anonymous,1521743934639.png,8gwqED755hBJ0jXPAfs9zg==,US,,1538860060
188423151,188424092,2018-10-06 21:11:35,">>188423151
oh and too not to",,Anonymous,,,US,,1538860295
194588438,194588438,2018-11-25 17:15:13,Atheism leads to Marxist political policies. Even the most unhinged Christian would not advocate an abortion genocide. Why do you do this?,/atheist/ - Atheism General,Anonymous,20181125_191322.png,B0+UaY+HwiQ4PSWQDi+jyg==,,Nazi,1543166113
197963470,197963470,2018-12-28 03:07:47,"What is Atheism? Rejction of god, nothing more nothing less. That cannot be degenerate.
Atheism is not inherently anti white and pro jew like christianity. Atheism is actually racist because science is racist.
This proves ""degenerate Atheism"" is just another (((christian))) lie. It only exists in their mind. Some of the most anti immigrant countries are highly Atheist.
http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/losing-their-religion-these-are-the-world-s-most-atheistic-countries
http://archive.fo/zaOGw
Atheism is not only older than christianity but also truly European. The first atheist was an ancient Greek man named Diagoras of Melos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism
http://archive.fo/J5Dw6
Pro-White Atheists and Pagans strongly united against (((christians))),jews and mudslimes.
https://www.livescience.com/59361-why-are-atheists-generally-more-intelligent.html
http://archive.fo/AoXmv
LIST OF PRO-WHITE ATHEISTS:
Alex Linder
Ben Klassen
Craig Cobb
Dr. Kevin MacDonald
Dr. William Luther Pierce
Matt Hale
Revilo Oliver
Tom Metzger",/AG/ Atheism General,White Nationalist Atheist,1545635603840.png,3rRIfNOoNdtqD14jzr6hxQ==,,Fascist,1545966467
197963470,197963621,2018-12-28 03:09:56,">>197963470
More yikes",,Anonymous,,,,Gadsden,1545966596