[00:00] Moderator: have an eye calibration process where you look at the printed aim in front of you.

[00:06] Sub-004 (P4): And my colleague called your name one by one, so you need to look at the printed aims on the center of it.

[00:12] Moderator: Okay, we're ready.
[00:12] Moderator: Diego, can you please look at that?

[00:17] Sub-052 (P1): Okay.
[00:42] Sub-052 (P1): Oliver.
[00:43] Sub-052 (P1): Yes.
[00:44] Sub-052 (P1): The small dot there, right?
[00:46] Sub-052 (P1): Yeah.

[00:46] Sub-004 (P4): Thank you.

[00:57] Sub-053 (P2): Yeah, thank you.

[01:10] Sub-004 (P4): Are you sure about the names?

[01:15] Moderator: Yeah, sometimes it takes some time.

[01:25] Sub-053 (P2): Yeah, sometimes it takes some time.

[01:56] Moderator: Thank you very much for being here today.

[02:00] Sub-004 (P4): and we'll have some several tasks and game-like tasks i hope you enjoy it but before starting about talking about the task i'm going to give you some information about the data that we are recording from you so as you kind of feel it now

[02:16] Sub-052 (P1): kind of feel it now a lot of devices that are recording we have a lot of cameras around the cameras are mainly for body gesture and hand gesture and face gesture recognition so i think the raw day raw data won't be published it's also too much to publish

[02:20] Moderator: We have a lot of cameras around.
[02:23] Moderator: The cameras are mainly for body gesture and hand gesture and face gesture recognition.
[02:29] Moderator: So I think the raw data won't be published.
[02:33] Moderator: It's also too much to publish.
[02:36] Moderator: And then we do have this glasses that they have a camera in front.
[02:42] Moderator: So it records the scene that you are looking at, but also the gaze point where you exactly look at together with the pupil size.
[02:50] Moderator: So dilation and contraction of your pupil, which has been told is connected to a cognitive state and some other like just physiological related aspect.
[03:05] Moderator: And then we have this wristband that are measuring your heart rate through PPG, which is the optical kind of measurement, like the smart glass, the green light, if you notice.
[03:19] Moderator: And then we have the galvanic skin response, which measures the threat level.
[03:27] Moderator: And it is connected to excitement or stress or being calm aboard.
[03:39] Moderator: and we are recording your audio with a lot of microphones individual ones and some from top and also we collect some some annotation from you during the experiment which I will elaborate a bit more on
[03:58] Moderator: But one last consideration is that so this is a game like and kind of some tasks, several tasks that you will have, and we will give you some roles and priorities and preferences.
[04:12] Moderator: And I want all of you to just make a division between your real yourself and then the one that get the role.
[04:20] Moderator: Because you will be asked to judge the person in front of you.
[04:24] Moderator: And it's not that you are judging the real person, it's just the person in the role inside this task.
[04:31] Moderator: So there's a differentiation between the role that you are getting.
[04:40] Moderator: So we have four tasks in the experiment and we would like you to just communicate naturally and just
[04:40] Moderator: So...
[04:54] Moderator: And also keep that in mind that especially for your individual experience, there is no right or wrong answer.
[05:01] Moderator: Just please answer whatever is very close to your real experience.
[05:08] Moderator: And then it would be really nice if you take your tasks and like just the roles a bit serious because that kind of give us this opportunity to get close to whatever this is study designed for.
[05:27] Moderator: Additionally, we are monitoring your emotional experience during the experiment.
[05:33] Moderator: And for doing that, we do have VAD prompts, which is one way of showing emotions instead of like this.
[05:43] Moderator: normal discrete labels like happy, sad, and angry, and so on, we do have a three-dimension kind of representation.
[05:55] Moderator: The first one is balance, which represents the positivity or negativity of an emotion.
[06:02] Moderator: So if you feel happy, excited, you are on the high end, very close to nine.
[06:07] Moderator: And if you feel sad, angry, you are possibly close to one.
[06:13] Moderator: then second one is arousal which is kind of chest feeling so if you feel excited or stressed you are very close to the high end if you feel bored or calm you are in the low end and the last one is dominance it might be a bit trickier than other two and it's essentially about how much influence you you feel you have on that moment or i guess if you're feeling you're in control
[06:42] Moderator: you are in high end of it.
[06:45] Moderator: If you feel that you don't have control or you don't have influence, then you're probably on the low end.
[06:54] Moderator: And this prompt shows up every 2-3 minutes during the experiment.
[06:59] Moderator: And we really appreciate that if you fill in as much as possible, just answer them.
[07:05] Moderator: But please keep in mind that when you are talking actively, please continue your speech.
[07:12] Moderator: Don't stop your conversation because this annotation can wait for you.
[07:12] Moderator: Don't stop your conversation because this annotation can wait for you.
[07:17] Moderator: So just answer them whenever you have actually, you are not actively speaking.
[07:26] Moderator: And then we have post-task questioner.
[07:29] Moderator: After each task, we have some specific questions related to that task.
[07:34] Moderator: And it's essentially to capture your personal experience as far as from one task to another one.
[07:42] Moderator: Perfect.

[07:46] Sub-054 (P3): Before we start, because I think the left one is not the same as the right one.
[07:51] Sub-054 (P3): I can feel like, I mean, this is blurry and this is fine.
[07:55] Sub-054 (P3): And I have exactly the same side in both eyes.
[07:57] Sub-054 (P3): And I have tried these glasses before, so I'm a bit like, okay, something is weird.
[08:03] Sub-054 (P3): and then if you're with the populometry that I'm just like blinking all the time because yeah yeah yeah you can try yourself if you want but I'm like wow it's like a headache it's right now okay thanks all right now we're talking do you feel the same yeah maybe it's the same I'm like

[08:28] Sub-052 (P1): I'm like, ah.

[08:33] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah, be careful because now it's like, okay, now it's like, now I'm relaxed.
[08:40] Sub-054 (P3): I think you saved it.

[08:43] Sub-052 (P1): Are these empty?
[08:44] Sub-052 (P1): They are empty.
[08:45] Sub-052 (P1): Okay, good, okay.
[08:47] Sub-052 (P1): They are not empty here.

[08:51] Moderator: You will notice now.

[09:09] Sub-054 (P3): All right.
[09:10] Sub-054 (P3): Maybe that's why we were not aiming well today.
[09:13] Sub-054 (P3): Definitely feels better now.
[09:19] Sub-054 (P3): it was funny because for me this eye was way off and and i was like okay but the brain just tries to get used to it so we're starting to like use a lot of this one right away so i could see that okay the quality overall is the one that i have on the right but with a headache okay
[09:55] Sub-054 (P3): Yes?

[09:57] Sub-053 (P2): No, it's really good.

[10:03] Sub-052 (P1): Oliver, can you please look at the aim?

[10:08] Sub-053 (P2): Perfect.

[10:12] Sub-054 (P3): Perfect.
[10:14] Sub-054 (P3): Thank you.

[10:33] Sub-053 (P2): That was one of the steps we normally do, but I finally forgot to finish it.

[10:40] Sub-004 (P4): Okay.

[10:41] Moderator: Now we can have the free talk again.

[10:45] Sub-004 (P4): So please talk to each other and introduce yourself.

[10:50] Moderator: And during this and all the tasks, please ignore me as much as possible.
[10:56] Moderator: Okay.

[11:01] Sub-052 (P1): I start.
[11:03] Sub-052 (P1): I work for Jabra.
[11:04] Sub-052 (P1): So I started in June.
[11:07] Sub-052 (P1): And I'm working in the market insights and strategy team.
[11:10] Sub-052 (P1): So we're looking on how we are performing, how competitors are performing, what we should do to improve, all these kind of exciting things.
[11:19] Sub-052 (P1): And before that, I worked in the music industry for five years at Universal Music and did basically the same job, but of course in another context.
[11:28] Sub-052 (P1): So I'm happy to be here.
[11:31] Sub-052 (P1): Actually, now a lot of new changes, but we'll see how that evolves.

[11:37] Sub-004 (P4): Cool, okay.
[11:38] Sub-004 (P4): I'm Stine.
[11:39] Sub-004 (P4): I work in indirect procurement as a student assistant.
[11:42] Sub-004 (P4): Started back in September and I study my masters at CPS on the side.
[11:48] Sub-004 (P4): Yeah, supply chain management at CPS.

[11:53] Sub-054 (P3): I'm Diego.
[11:54] Sub-054 (P3): I am a researcher in, I mean, it used to be GN, but mostly audio, so Jabra, you could say.
[12:02] Sub-054 (P3): I'm a colleague of MISAM, and my title is Senior Research Scientist, and I do AI for speech enhancement, and yeah, all the products that we have in the portfolio could benefit from these things.

[12:16] Sub-053 (P2): Cool.

[12:16] Sub-004 (P4): Cool.

[12:18] Sub-053 (P2): I'm Caroline.
[12:19] Sub-053 (P2): I'm also a student assistant for group sustainability and I work with doing the LCAs for the hearing aids.

[12:30] Sub-052 (P1): What's an LCA?
[12:36] Sub-052 (P1): Ah, okay, okay, here.

[12:37] Sub-053 (P2): So I calculate the carbon emissions from the mining of the materials to when the end user throws out the hearing aids.
[12:46] Sub-053 (P2): So, yeah.

[12:46] Moderator: How does it look?

[12:46] Sub-054 (P3): And how does it look?
[12:48] Sub-054 (P3): It's different, all of it, yeah.

[12:50] Sub-053 (P2): It's becoming a little more challenging now with the AI features for the hearing aids, how we calculate the energy usage, because it's way different than the previous models.

[13:01] Sub-054 (P3): Okay, in which sense?
[13:13] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah, of course, yeah.

[13:15] Moderator: So we have to find a generic middle way to calculate the emissions.

[13:22] Sub-054 (P3): Because it's this LCA, do you need to report it to, it's internal or then it's like EU kind of, yeah, okay.
[13:30] Sub-054 (P3): And someone thought a number should be fine.
[13:33] Sub-054 (P3): So we need to figure out, yeah, it's the best.

[13:37] Sub-053 (P2): Yeah.

[13:37] Sub-054 (P3): Okay, yeah, makes sense.
[13:40] Sub-054 (P3): And how does it feel to be in GNS?
[13:43] Sub-054 (P3): Because they're both student assistants or, yeah, you're a full employee, yeah.

[13:46] Sub-052 (P1): Yeah, me...

[13:48] Sub-054 (P3): So how does it feel?
[13:50] Sub-054 (P3): Is it good?
[13:51] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah.

[13:51] Sub-053 (P2): I've been here for a year now.

[14:04] Sub-052 (P1): It's such a big company.
[14:08] Sub-052 (P1): Enjoy.
[14:08] Sub-052 (P1): Enjoy.
[14:10] Sub-052 (P1): We'll see if that's a good or bad thing.

[14:19] Sub-054 (P3): But I'm still one of the new ones in my team, I think.
[14:22] Sub-054 (P3): I mean, not as new as Maisam with the Postal, but still one of the new ones, let's say.
[14:29] Sub-054 (P3): It's fun.
[14:29] Sub-054 (P3): I mean, cool stuff.
[14:31] Sub-054 (P3): Now we released this URSA one, the headset, the Evolve 3.

[14:34] Sub-004 (P4): That one seems cool.

[14:35] Sub-054 (P3): That one seems cool.
[14:37] Sub-054 (P3): In our team we did this clear voice thing that...

[14:40] Sub-052 (P1): It's a really, really good product.

[14:43] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah, hopefully we said a lot.
[14:46] Sub-054 (P3): That's the ultimate goal.

[14:46] Sub-052 (P1): Yeah, I really hope.
[14:49] Sub-052 (P1): Markets are quite challenged at the moment, so we're a bit concerned.

[14:52] Sub-054 (P3): How do you see that, yeah?

[14:53] Sub-052 (P1): Everything is down.

[14:54] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah, great.

[14:55] Sub-052 (P1): As you probably know, as a researcher, the big problem right now is that you have such a big cost on IT components.
[15:05] Sub-052 (P1): So RAM prices and these kind of things, they exploded completely.
[15:09] Sub-052 (P1): And that means that notebooks and these kind of products will be more expensive.

[15:12] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah.

[15:13] Sub-052 (P1): And when we sell into corporations and stuff like that, they have like a fixed IT budget where headphones go under each year.
[15:22] Sub-052 (P1): And of course, if you spend more on, like you can say, you really need to have items like notebooks, then there's less left for maybe a bit more.
[15:32] Sub-052 (P1): In their view, probably nice to have, right?
[15:35] Sub-052 (P1): So that's challenging at the moment, but it will turn at some point, right?
[15:40] Sub-052 (P1): But it is down a bit, unfortunately.
[15:44] Sub-052 (P1): A lot of red numbers these months.
[15:51] Sub-052 (P1): Yeah, different corners.

[15:54] Sub-054 (P3): But these insights that would be very nice for us, and I don't know why it's so difficult to get some information all the way to research, because then we could think of, ah, okay, so actually the problem is that we should have things that are way cheaper to run or something like that.

[16:09] Sub-052 (P1): Yeah, low-end Bluetooth, for instance, is really big, huge.

[16:17] Sub-054 (P3): No, no, but I don't know why it's so difficult to link the department.

[16:19] Sub-052 (P1): Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[16:21] Sub-054 (P3): Sorry, my son.

[16:21] Sub-052 (P1): But you're right.

[16:23] Sub-054 (P3): It's your time.

[16:24] Sub-053 (P2): Okay.

[16:30] Sub-052 (P1): But I just noticed that all of you ignored the... Oh, yeah, yeah.

[16:36] Sub-054 (P3): Please.
[16:37] Sub-054 (P3): Yeah.

[16:38] Moderator: You can also answer the...
