[00:11] Sub-040 (P3) [bc]: Okay,

[00:11] Moderator: Okay, we're all done with the questions.

[00:11] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Okay,

[00:15] Moderator: We can continue to the second task.
[00:19] Moderator: So this will be a negotiation task and it's based around deciding on an internal GEM workshop, so for all GEM employees.
[00:31] Moderator: And you must decide the topic of the workshop and the format of the workshop.
[00:37] Moderator: Each of you will receive a private rollcard and you will receive what is your priority, either the topic and the format, and you should try to negotiate for that.
[00:48] Moderator: And you will also receive some preferences and you should also advocate for those preferences.
[00:55] Moderator: You may not show your rollcard to the other person, but of course you can freely discuss
[01:03] Moderator: At the end, you must agree on only one topic and one format for the workshop.
[01:10] Moderator: I have one quick question.

[01:12] Sub-041 (P2): Do we act as what was provided on the roll card or we also act as our individual, like personally?
[01:22] Sub-041 (P2): Okay.
[01:22] Sub-041 (P2): But first you can apply to what you do.
[01:24] Sub-041 (P2): Okay, yeah.
[01:25] Sub-041 (P2): I just want to understand.
[01:26] Sub-041 (P2): Yeah.

[01:29] Moderator: and you will now receive on the screen the different formats and the different topics and also the roll cards and you can take some time to read them but also you can start talking whenever you don't need to be prompted by me and you will also have seven minutes for this task.

[02:17] Sub-043 (P4): R&D, we usually decide these things, but it's a real call.

[02:31] Sub-040 (P3): Oh, there's more stuff here.

[02:47] Sub-043 (P4): yeah so i i would think like such workshops should topic wise not be too detailed or too like specific um so i think in general like uh work better across teams and manage stress i mean for me this goes together because if you have a clear like i don't know like uh
[03:09] Sub-043 (P4): structure or pattern of communication in mind like how do you bring forward topics or like requests or like problems like then it's also much much easier to work so your cognitive or mental workload also decreases and we say that the best way to do that is with having proper processes that would make our make our productivity up

[03:31] Sub-042 (P1): I just think we need to keep in mind that this is to be for everybody across GN, right?
[03:35] Sub-042 (P1): So I think working across teams is not going to hit everybody, right?
[03:39] Sub-042 (P1): You have a lot of people who doesn't have the need to work across teams.
[03:43] Sub-042 (P1): So I will think it's more about workload and stress and the whole environment because there you can engage everybody across GN.

[04:05] Sub-040 (P3): The most efficient way of handling these kind of things is to not take away too much from people's time to do their work tasks.
[04:15] Sub-040 (P3): If they can just do it at their own pace whenever they want to do it.

[04:28] Sub-043 (P4): yes yeah i mean yes i mean especially across teams and like if you have a lot of people with different opinions and ways of thinking mindsets like i think online training because it's anonymous so there's no like way that you have to like expose yourself too much in terms of like uh

[04:45] Moderator: But it's a workshop, right?

[04:46] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: right?
[04:47] Sub-042 (P1): It's not a question of quizzes and being anonymous.
[04:51] Sub-042 (P1): It's about working together and I think being engaged.
[04:55] Sub-042 (P1): If we're doing it online, like you said, then people actually don't have to engage.
[04:59] Sub-042 (P1): I think it's important we engage.

[05:03] Sub-040 (P3): yeah but then also the uh i think there's a better chance of having a good turn uh turnover or turnout of the uh a turnout of uh attendance if it's uh if people can attend when they have time otherwise they might prioritize some other tasks instead of just another workshop yeah so just uh ignore the invite

[05:20] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah.

[05:22] Sub-041 (P2): I agree.
[05:23] Sub-041 (P2): I think it should be like a workshop that the majority of participants can benefit from rather than just a random thing that they can just skip it or multitasking in the background.
[05:34] Sub-041 (P2): So maybe something more relevant to, let's say, enhance their workflow or make the productivity of their day-to-day work easier.
[05:44] Sub-041 (P2): So trying to offer these kind of tools to enhance or

[05:49] Moderator: improve their working experience would be beneficial or necessary for them to attend.

[05:54] Sub-042 (P1): What are you advocating for?

[05:58] Sub-041 (P2): I think it would be relevant to have some things such as like the AI productivity in the tasks that people find it relevant would benefit from it instead of how to manage stress or workload at work.
[06:10] Sub-041 (P2): Like it's not necessary to hold such a cross globe or cross function workshop.

[06:10] Moderator: Like it's not necessary to hold such a cross flow or cross function workshop.

[06:21] Sub-042 (P1): What was your opinion on the format?

[06:35] Sub-040 (P3): Definitely.

[06:37] Sub-043 (P4): i would maybe yeah yeah exactly that's not really a workshop but i mean i would like i don't know maybe i mean four or topic was four or two to get a little bit more generic or general feeling like okay how can and maybe then you can combine it with one right i mean how do you how do you increase your productivity and maybe also but this like decrease your your cognitive workload also at work

[07:04] Sub-040 (P3): Yeah, I think productivity and cross-team efficiency is something that you can address better in a workshop than maybe stress.
[07:16] Sub-040 (P3): Everyone has their own ways of dealing with stress.
[07:18] Sub-040 (P3): It's hard to generalize for everyone.
[07:20] Sub-040 (P3): I would personally even feel like I'm being talked down to if I got a workshop about how to manage my own stress.

[07:46] Sub-043 (P4): right yeah i mean it depends on how many groups right and how many people you need to uh to to uh coordinate i mean that i think that's why i cannot really say anything about the format what would be best i i would keep it topic wise like very generic like okay ai maybe but workload in general like how do you optimize like streamline your work workflow for yourself and you of course everyone has like it's it's only individual like yeah

[08:13] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: yeah
[08:13] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: sure

[08:14] Sub-043 (P4): But maybe a lecture and a cue.
[08:17] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah, I don't know.
[08:21] Sub-043 (P4): I mean, I don't think you can do it like personally, right?
[08:24] Sub-043 (P4): I mean, it depends on how many people you need to engage, but...

[08:27] Sub-042 (P1): You don't have to do them all at once, right?

[08:29] Sub-043 (P4): You can do it in turn and parts, yes.

[08:32] Sub-042 (P1): It's all depending on the impact we want to have, right?

[08:35] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: right?

[08:35] Sub-042 (P1): Because there's no doubt that having an interactive or just like in-person actually doing and carving out time is the most impactful way of these ones, right?

[08:45] Sub-041 (P2): Mm-hmm.

[08:46] Sub-042 (P1): We all know that online training, it's like it's fine, but you don't really retain a lot of it afterwards if you don't work with the material and the content.
[09:01] Sub-042 (P1): I know, but we were not told that we have limited resources, right?
[09:04] Sub-042 (P1): I just said, what is the most impact?

[09:05] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: yeah

[09:08] Sub-043 (P4): i mean the threshold also like the i mean for for people to engage in these interactive like formal oh yeah okay inform even informal but if i think it's higher than you having like something you start with something more passive like a lecture and then you have the possibility to engage like q a for example that's a personal opinion of course but all of it can work right but like i said

[09:35] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: right?
[09:35] Sub-042 (P1): But like I said, research shows that the one where you're engaging and where you're actually having either two or three, that's the one that has the most impact long-term.
[09:49] Sub-042 (P1): you're retaining that as soon as you engage and you work with the content, you're just retaining it much better afterwards.

[09:56] Moderator: If you engage with it at all, that is.

[09:58] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: yeah
[09:58] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: exactly

[10:01] Moderator: So now the time for the discussion is over and I'm going to send again forms to all the tablets but you need to choose one person to finalize your decision.

[10:02] Sub-040 (P3): the time for the discussion is over and i'm gonna send again forms to all the tablets but you need to choose one person to finalize your decision you can still of course talk to finalize your decision have you agreed on anything nope we have agreed on nothing

[10:10] Moderator: You can still of course talk to finalize your decision.

[10:19] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Nope.
[10:26] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah, I mean, for my preference, like at least, I mean, one or four.
[10:31] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah, topic-wise, yes.
[10:33] Sub-043 (P4): I mean, you can maybe also, one can easily combine them if you want to twist it like that.
[10:38] Sub-043 (P4): And formats, yeah.
[10:41] Sub-043 (P4): I mean, two, lecture and Q&A, I think for me, that's also personal.

[10:46] Sub-041 (P2): Yeah, I see.
[10:47] Sub-041 (P2): But it also depends on the purpose.

[10:48] Moderator: Like, for instance, it wouldn't make sense to have like interactive informative workshop for, I don't know, how to manage stress and what do you expect from the outcome, right?

[10:57] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: right?
[10:58] Sub-041 (P2): Like, do we do a stress test afterwards and then people rating high or low got the prize or the other way around?

[11:04] Sub-042 (P1): No, but it's more about getting tools to manage it, right?
[11:07] Sub-042 (P1): I mean, if we were to choose between two and four, we'd definitely go for the four, because again, it's not everybody who needs to work across teams, but everybody can benefit from learning how to deal with stress and workload, right?

[11:11] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: yes
[11:15] Sub-043 (P4): Yes, small and the most generic.
[11:18] Sub-043 (P4): Yes.

[11:19] Sub-042 (P1): We all have that.
[11:20] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: Yeah,

[11:23] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah, four is the most generic, I would think.

[11:30] Sub-042 (P1): But if you have to do something that applies to everybody and also brings value, right?
[11:35] Sub-042 (P1): I think that's the one that you can use tomorrow, right?

[11:39] Sub-041 (P2): I think all the topics could bring value to the organization in general and also individuals.

[11:46] Sub-040 (P3): yes i mean even if you don't daily work work between across teams it's uh always a benefit for uh for synergies but what can you apply tomorrow

[11:54] Sub-042 (P1): But all knowledge has benefit, but what can you apply tomorrow, right?

[11:59] Moderator: depends on if you want efficiency if you want to apply certain knowledge or tools tomorrow then i guess one might be more relevant because like the moment i learned the tools to manage stress can i apply tomorrow there's also work work workload and it's just that i think the whole thing about how to manage your day-to-day tasks right

[12:21] Sub-043 (P4): I agree.

[12:21] Sub-040 (P3): I guess we are extending the conversation time now or the discussion time a lot.

[12:28] Moderator: We should probably try to align on something.

[12:31] Sub-043 (P4): Was this intended to Paul?

[12:31] Sub-040 (P3): Was this intended to fall?

[12:36] Sub-043 (P4): Everything is intended.
[12:40] Sub-043 (P4): I don't know, but... That's a cable, right?

[12:50] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: right?
[12:50] Sub-042 (P1): Because we're not going to agree on any of them.
[12:54] Sub-042 (P1): So if you guys want to work across teams and then we can say we do it as interactive workshops.

[13:01] Moderator: I think it has to make sense, right?

[13:06] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: right?

[13:07] Sub-042 (P1): Oh, but all of them make sense.
[13:09] Sub-042 (P1): There's none of them you can't do.

[13:20] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: Yeah,

[13:21] Moderator: Okay.

[13:22] Sub-043 (P4): But then I want it to be the stress of the work.
[13:26] Sub-043 (P4): Okay, that's fine.
[13:26] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah, but that's fine with me.
[13:28] Sub-043 (P4): I mean, one or two informants I'm totally fine with and four, I think it's fine topic-wise.

[13:34] Sub-042 (P1): Okay, good.
[13:36] Sub-042 (P1): You can plug it in.

[13:38] Sub-043 (P4): Am I allowed to do that?
[13:42] Sub-043 (P4): So four how to manage stress and yes and two
