[00:00] Moderator: got the same yeah i was supposed to say so they don't really matter these ones we just click them off just so that you can do it as fast as possible but of course don't let it like it's not if you cannot respond just

[00:00] Sub-040 (P3): got the same

[00:00] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: yeah

[00:21] Sub-040 (P3) [bc]: Okay,

[00:21] Moderator: Okay, then we can start with the first task.

[00:21] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: Okay,

[00:21] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Okay,

[00:25] Moderator: So it will be around 10 minutes.
[00:27] Moderator: First of all, I will explain what it is.
[00:30] Moderator: And this time you can ask me any questions.
[00:34] Moderator: But during the task, try to not direct your attention to me and not direct questions to me.
[00:41] Moderator: So in this first task you have to imagine that you are part of a hiring committee and you're evaluating three different candidates for an internal role at GEN.
[00:51] Moderator: So the position is related to supporting AI adoption initiatives across different departments and AI transformation.
[00:58] Moderator: So the role would focus on helping teams understand the potential of AI in different
[01:12] Moderator: Each of you will receive some information about these candidates.
[01:15] Moderator: It's A, B and C. A is the same for all of you and the same for the others.
[01:23] Moderator: You may not show your tablet screen to other participants, but you can of course share all the information that's in the tablets.
[01:32] Moderator: but try to read aloud exactly the words that you will get, try to retrace them and make it natural in the conversation.
[01:42] Moderator: And at the end of the task you should be able to come up with a decision about which candidate is better for the position.
[01:53] Moderator: Do you have any questions?

[01:55] Sub-043 (P4): So we get the same information for all the three candidates?
[01:59] Sub-043 (P4): You get some, each of you will get some information.
[02:02] Sub-043 (P4): Okay, part of them.

[02:05] Moderator: Okay, so now we'll give you some times to read them.
[02:08] Moderator: You don't have to memorize anything, as you will always be able to go back to them.
[02:12] Moderator: But just to familiarize yourself with the information.
[02:16] Moderator: Okay, you can start.

[02:16] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Okay,

[03:35] Moderator: Okay, so you can now start your discussion.

[03:35] Sub-040 (P3) [bc]: Okay,

[03:35] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Okay,

[03:38] Moderator: You have seven minutes and then you will have one additional minute to finalize your decision of one, only one candidate.

[03:46] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Okay,

[03:46] Moderator: Okay, you can start discussing now.

[03:46] Sub-040 (P3) [bc]: Okay,

[03:54] Sub-043 (P4): So for me, candidate B has domain knowledge, right?

[03:58] Sub-040 (P3): Yes.

[04:00] Sub-043 (P4): The question is like, it's a transformation.
[04:02] Sub-043 (P4): So it's like a teaching task the candidate is supposed to do, right?
[04:08] Sub-043 (P4): So in this way, maybe like domain knowledge is not the key.

[04:12] Sub-040 (P3): That is the same feeling that I got.

[04:24] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah.
[04:25] Sub-043 (P4): And in terms of like, I don't say like, I don't think like, no domain knowledge is, I mean, it's totally unimportant.
[04:32] Sub-043 (P4): But I think maybe for me, candidate C, like would be the best compromise between those three candidates.

[04:39] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: yeah

[04:40] Sub-043 (P4): IT and sales.
[04:42] Sub-043 (P4): So there's some domain knowledge likely because you need to like, in a diplomatic way, explain things and formulate some requests and needs.

[04:53] Moderator: yeah agree and also based on the information that i have for can they see is that they also have some like a cross-functional experience and qualities to you know people working with people and try to translate one language to another which i think it would be a good fit also from the information here yeah also seems the candidacy also has

[04:53] Sub-041 (P2) [bc]: yeah

[05:15] Sub-040 (P3): also from the information here yeah also seems the candidacy also has a previous experience with adopting new tools or like

[05:33] Sub-043 (P4): And especially like there seems to be some domain knowledge, but also very high ability to explain things to like broad audiences.

[05:40] Sub-040 (P3): Yes.

[05:42] Sub-043 (P4): I think that shows that you understand things and can basically like explain it.
[05:47] Sub-043 (P4): At least that's the case for me.

[05:50] Sub-042 (P1): The only thing I'm wondering is if C is too experienced.
[05:53] Sub-042 (P1): It's difficult to figure out what level that role is.
[05:56] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: Yeah,

[05:58] Sub-043 (P4): Good question.

[05:59] Sub-040 (P3): That's a good question.

[06:04] Sub-043 (P4): So it's probably not a decision position, right?
[06:09] Sub-043 (P4): So you have to explain and get everyone on the same boat or however you would, but not actively deciding, okay, we do like this and this and we use these tools.
[06:21] Sub-043 (P4): Exactly, exactly.

[06:25] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: no

[06:31] Moderator: Yes.

[06:31] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Yes.

[06:36] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: exactly
[06:46] Sub-042 (P1): Because you can say A has experience with tools, rollouts, so that also shows some kind of experience with communication, right?

[06:56] Sub-040 (P3) [bc]: true

[06:58] Sub-042 (P1): And they have limited formal training on AI, but the other two doesn't really have any AI training.

[07:06] Moderator: At least not from my knowledge.

[07:10] Sub-040 (P3): All the skills in Python and machine learning would help if we were candidate B, but I think we already overlooked that.
[07:19] Sub-040 (P3): Well, depends how nitty-gritty you get into it.

[07:24] Sub-043 (P4): I mean analytical skills I think B and C both have but probably C is better in using it to get like to give an overview like picture of the song things at least I think it's very important

[07:43] Sub-041 (P2): And also another thing regarding the candidate based on the information I have here, it seems like this person is more familiar with maintaining existing process, which is quite the opposite of the tasks here is that adopting the new trend plus transform and make sure different stakeholders align on the new trends, which I personally think the candidate A is lacking the experience or capability there.

[08:13] Sub-042 (P1): What were you talking for?

[08:15] Sub-041 (P2): So the candidate A says that it tends to maintain existing processes rather than introduce new ones, which is kind of against the task line here that adopting AI and also make sure the transformation across different departments functions.
[08:31] Sub-041 (P2): So that's why I think they might be not qualified for this role specifically.

[08:37] Sub-040 (P3): That's a good point.

[08:50] Sub-043 (P4): Do we vote or do we need to come to a conclusion?

[08:54] Sub-042 (P1): I think so.

[08:59] Sub-040 (P3): I would still vote for C in this case.

[09:01] Moderator: Me too.

[09:01] Sub-040 (P3): It seems like the most qualified and with both some technical background and also change facilitation.

[09:13] Moderator: What does the technical background C has?

[09:15] Sub-042 (P1): Because I don't have any information on that.

[09:17] Sub-040 (P3): From my information, SEA seems to be familiar with common AI tools in business contexts, so that seems very relevant.

[09:27] Sub-043 (P4): yeah complex systems it and sales and conveying information between the different departments

[09:36] Sub-041 (P2): What I have here is that there, for KNZC, it has taken some basic data analysis and machine learning courses, so has like the base knowledge and facilitated alignment between IT and sales in pilot projects, so also cross-functional
[09:52] Sub-041 (P2): capability and also has helped adopt of new tools and practices in previous roles so that's also something in line with the transformation thing and good structure in plane and cross function so i think the qualities here are quite in line with what we are expecting

[10:19] Sub-042 (P1) [bc]: Okay,

[10:20] Moderator: Okay, so I will now send out forms to all of you to make the final decision, but you have to choose one person out of the four of you who sends the point.

[10:20] Sub-043 (P4) [bc]: Okay,

[10:32] Moderator: This one that you just got, only one person.
[10:34] Moderator: It's your final decision.
[10:36] Moderator: It's your final decision.

[10:39] Sub-040 (P3): with your final decision.
[10:41] Sub-040 (P3): Okay.

[10:42] Sub-043 (P4): Yes.
[10:43] Sub-043 (P4): No, okay, I wasn't...

[10:44] Sub-040 (P3): Yes.
[10:45] Sub-040 (P3): So, decision made.

[10:46] Sub-043 (P4): Yeah, yeah.
