Audio File Name:		170131_0050
Date:				3rd August 2017
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Duration:			8.33
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I: = Interviewer (Interviewer in bold)
R: = Respondent.

R:	Things that we can agree to. Everybody or every country of the union and I think that is one point that unites us in the end and you have to think what unites us. Not what divides us.

I:	Yes. Do you class yourself as European? 

R:	Well, you see, I am German and when I was a schoolchild in the 50s and 60s, there was the point of the whole of the community of Europe. You see, that is why we never put up a flag, a German flag, in our gardens before there was the world cup of the football then, we came to the idea that everybody does so why not us? That is when we started more nationality thinking. Before that, no, it was a bad thing to be proud of Germany. It was not possible. Now, it has started a bit.

I:	Do you see yourself as European?

R:	 I am not sure. What is a European person? I can’t really —

I:	I was going to ask you that as the next question.

R:	I am part of Europe.

I:	What is European? What does it mean to you?

R:	I can agree to all this and I am proud to be a part of the European community. I think most Germans wouldn’t think of leaving the UK, never ever. So, to some part, we are Europeans. That’s right. Perhaps, other countries may look at it in a different way and perhaps think the Germans are too strong. The economy is too strong and the financial things are too strong. They are not European. You see, so yes, we are European and I am a European person, of course I am.

I:	Which part did you find most interesting in the museum?

R:	I told you already. The maps were the first thing and the other thing I saw, reminded me of my own history. I am 66 so I experienced most of that myself. See, on TV or in my personal life. I remember so, it is always, ‘Ah yes, I know that!’

I:	Did anything surprise you? You told me about —

R:	I told you about that one, the maps. Now I have thought about it and we have to see on the different problems. The Romanians look at it differently to the Spanish people.

I:	But the map, how people see it. Like Chinese and —

R:	Yes, the world is always different, from a different point of view.

I:	Right, we are coming to the end. I have this section about identity and options so, place a number against each word with one being most important.  If any of these are equally important to you, then give them the same number.  If you feel any do not apply then mark them with an “x”.

R:	Okay. So, numbers. I have to…?

I:	So, from one, the most important…it starts from number one —

R:	And the least important —

I:	It depends where you —

R:	Ah, I guess I can —

I:	So, like, national identity, where you are from. 

R:	Yes, so this is this one, yes?

I:	. Yes, that one. Yes.

R:	Okay, “what do you think about identity?” Okay.

I:	So, like, European, where you live?

R:	National identity? [Sighs]. 

[Loud background music 0:04:15 - 0:04:28].

R:	That’s a difficult question, the first one. 

I:	It could be your political beliefs or where you live – being European.

R:	Ah. When you think of your identity, which is the most important to you, and national identity. Identity…

I:	Like, being German is more important or less?

R:	Oh, very difficult.

I:	Yes. You can put equal numbers if you think they are equal.

R:	I have got from one to six, we say. Okay?

I:	Yes.

R:	So, perhaps, I would say, for me, it is somewhere in the middle.

I:	Okay.

R:	“Where you from? Please state…”

I:	Maybe your town or a region.

R:	Okay, so Bremen, Germany. Okay?

I:	Yes.

[Loud background music 0:05:36 - 0:05:43].

R:	Um, European identity. Yes, I think that is very important. ”Where do you live? Please state…”

I:	I mean, it’s like where do you live is more important? How important for you, is it second, third or nothing? You have put national identity first.

R:	It is the same, like this, yes?

I:	Okay, you can put the same number if it’s the same.

R:	Occupation… thinking about identity?

I:	If it’s not important, you can put a cross. Now you are retired and… [laughter]. 

R:	So, it’s not that important anymore. 

I:	Anymore, but it was important once?

R:	It was important once, yes, but not now.

I:	Okay.

R:	Political beliefs? I am not the only one in the world. “Thinking about your identity…”

I:	I mean, there is also religion, gender or ethnicity if you want to put —

R:	Other.

[Loud background music 0:06:45 - 0:06:51].

R:	(Over-speaking 0:06:51). Ah, I think that’s right.

I:	Okay.

R:	I don’t know if you did it right but…

I:	No, no, it’s perfect. And just the last few things and we are done. 

[Pause and rustling of papers 0:07:06 - 0:07:21].

I:	Yes, the European Union. What do you think of the future of Europe and the European Union.

R:	The future?

I:	Yes.

R:	I am hopeful. I think this Brexit, what we realise now is the point where, hopefully, the States will think again and that perhaps, they will have more strength to go together and are more willing to do it and find comprimises. I hope so but you never know. It guarantees peace and freedom for Europe when we stay together so we hope it will happen.

I:	Has your visit changed the way you feel?

R:	No.

I:	About Europe or —?

R:	No.

I:	Okay.

R:	That’s quite okay.

I:	Is there anything you want to add?

R:	No, I think I have said everything. [Laughter].

I:	Thanks so much.

[End of Recording]

Note: The beginning of this recording is missing. This was interview 3. She was German, in her 60s, and a retired middle school teacher. She loved the museum very much. Someone recommended it to her as that person thought she would like it. She was pro-European but complained about the size of Europe (“it’s grown too much”)