Yes.  Mike Moore does tend to stretch out his podcasts.  I listen to 'em at 1.5-2x as background while I'm doing other things, but some can't multitask like that. Skip to 1:20:00 for the meat of the podcast--an interview with Kent Heckenlively who co-authored Plague and Plague of Corruption with Dr. Judy Mikovits. In Thomas Paine podcasts, the interview is usually the good stuff.  Very true in this case, as the clickbait headline about Trump is just a few lines in Moore's pre-interview blather, whereas Heckenlively is quite informative.