Toscas Interview: MYE Investigation, Who is Stu Evans and What Does He Have To Do With FISA? P88. "Mr.  Jordan.   Okay.    But then you also  said last hour when  I  asked you questions, you said you weren't involved with the FISA at all.    So the FISA is pretty important in this Russia investigation.  You are the point people for DOJ working with FBI.    And, yet, you didn't have any involvement whatsoever with the FISA.    Mr.  Toscas.   I don't, because it is  not in my lane.     Mr.  Jordan.   Did Mr.  Hickey or Mr.  Evans have any involvement with the FISA?     Mr.  Toscas.   Yes.    Mr.  Jordan.   Which one, or both, or how?     Mr.  Toscas.   So, again, as I said, the FISA matters may be discussed and materials may even have  been shared with us, but we  --    Mr.  Jordan.   I got  that.    Who wrote  the FISA?    I mean,  who put it together?     Mr.  Toscas.   So the people who  are in  charge of FISA within NSD and DOJ are in  the  Office of Intelligence, and Stu Evans  is the deputy assistant attorney general for the Office of Intelligence.    So I'm not really sure who  in  --    Mr.  Jordan.   So if I had to  --  is it  fair to say Mr.  Evans was the point person for DOJ on the FISA application?     Mr.  Toscas.   As the manager within NSD, yes.     Mr.  Jordan.   Okay.    And in the hierarchy of things  --  refresh my memory  --  is Mr.  Evans the same level as you?     Mr.  Toscas.   Exactly.    Mr.  Jordan.   There's no difference.  And you all report to Mr.  Carlin?     Mr.  Toscas.   We all report to Mr.  Carlin.    He probably wishes he was just a little bit higher than me.    Mr.  Jordan.   Yeah, I know that feeling.  So Mr.  Evans put together the FISA?     Mr.  Toscas.   I'm not really sure who worked on it, but he  is the person in our front office who manages that  --    Mr.  Jordan.   Is it  fair to say that Mr.  Evans would have  read the FISA?     Mr.  Toscas.   Yes.  Mr.  Jordan.   Okay.    And he would have  read the renewals  as well?      Mr.  Toscas.   Yes.    Mr.  Jordan.   So all four of them.    Mr.  Toscas.   Again, I'm assuming this, but that's  --  he is the person who manages that whole program.    Mr.  Jordan.   Do you know if any exculpatory information that may have come to you all relative to the FISA, was it substantively shared with the FISA Court?    Anything that committees in Congress may have picked up on, any information you got?  Do you know if that was subsequently shared with the FISA Court?     Mr.  Toscas.   Sir, I don't know anything about that type of details  --  those types of details.    I'm just not the  person who deals with that.     Mr.  Jordan.    Well, how much did they share?  This is what I'm trying to figure out.    If Mr.  Carlin comes to you all and says:    You three are the guys.    You're going to go  work with Mr.  Strzok and whoever FBI has working on  this.    It seemed to me it was Ms. Page,  Mr.  Strzok, Mr.  McCabe, Mr.  Baker, Mr. Rybicki, those names that we've all talked about.  You're the three that he sent over to work with them.    And a key part of this, a central part of this, a critically important part of this is the FISA.    You're the three  key  people, but, yet, you didn't do  anything on the FISA.    Only Mr.  Evans and Mr.  Hickey did.  They didn't share that with you or  --    Mr.  Toscas.   Not Mr.  Hickey.    Mr.  Jordan.   Just Mr.  Evans.    Mr.  Toscas.   Right.    So to the extent there was anything relating to the FISA, even if Adam Hickey and I  and others in NSD  heard about it or saw parts  of  --  or materials relating to it, we  have nothing to do with the creation of it, the management of it, the movement of it.     That's all handled, the way the division  is designed, it's all designed  --  or the division is designed to have the Office of Intelligence handles all of that FISA material.    It doesn't mean we're not aware of things, because we are, we have to be in certain instances.    Mr.  Jordan.   Okay.  I  get  it.    We need to talk to Mr.  Evans.  I get that. " Anyone else have any info on Stu Evans?  Has Q mentioned?  I don't remember this name.