I heard Pence interviewed on a local radio station. It was about 7 months ago and was about 20 mins long. He was totally normal, relaxed, engaging. Total support for POTUS and shared the diff things being done at the time covid was just starting. No presence of the stiff, artificial, controlled vibe he often gives off on TV. It was very encouraging to hear him actually. Will be sad if he's confirmed to be corrupt.