What she says is black and white. There's no 'unhearing' her message after you hear it. What she is saying is not possible, not logical. So therefore we respond back,  you are wrong, and not only just wrong in a point for point intellectual discussion, rather you are postulating   your stand on this issue, your viewpoint of what could and should be happening and how we should view it. That we should view it only from the abusers' side of things. The mentally ill's side of things. So, where are we wrong in what we're saying here? How are we having no proof? It's in the audio right there. Black and white, crystal, clear as day and night.