I never watched the video before posting. Saw it after and was sorry I posted.  I don't know if Dave Shurter is real or not, given how he was tryinf to draw so much attention to himself in the circles I was seeing him in.  I'll be looking through DeCamp's book for any mention of him. I don't trust him though, like I don't trust Gunderson. He was pals with Aquino.