A debate I had with a young British lady who was defending Islam and questioning patriotism: The discussion began with religion, American Christians, patriotism, and freedom: Me - Some of these "religions" aren't religions at all, but dangerous, oppressive, barbaric, and primitive cults. AKA - Islam. What happens when religious consciousness is used to suppress and control? The worst is Islam.It is a negative "religious" consciousness that threatens the freedoms of people both in this country and elsewhere that many white Americans and American Christians have worked so hard to maintain. It is a religious consciousness that does not allow its followers to progress in any form of consciousness or sexuality- the women are literally sex slaves. I don't understand how you can make white American Christians look evil when a vast majority of them built and maintained the many amenities you have today in this country which you probably wouldn't have elsewhere. To imply that true patriots are "war-hungry" or "fake Christians" is simply wrong and not very insightful. It is the duty of this country to maintain sovereignty in its citizen's rights. Freedom isn't free. It comes with costs and sacrifices. You wouldn't have the capability to even say what you wanted today if we didn't defend ourselves. If you can't understand this - Move to a suppressed country and try living under Sharia Law or communist China.   Woman - I live in London where we're blessed with a high population of Muslims and I can tell you that Muslims are the most giving group of people I've ever known. I was struggling to take my daughter to school recently as I had a stomach bug and a Muslim mum whose daughter is friends with my daughter offered to take her to school for me so I could go home and rest. 30 minutes later she knocks on my door with lemons (to make lemon water), coconut water (to keep me hydrated) and strawberries for when I get my appetite back. When walking down the road I often see Muslims giving food to homeless people. I was so touched once when myself and another of my Muslim friends went to get lunch from a supermarket. She bought 2 lunches: one for herself and another for a homeless person she'd seen down the road. They celebrate Eid by giving money to charity and others. I remember after the Grenfell tragedy in London, it was Muslims who were the first to set up aid, food and water for those who had lost their homes and in some cases their loved ones in such a horrific way.  Me -  Here comes the muslim sympathizer and propoganda police... If Islam is so great, why do they only move to Christian countries? They come to convert you and convince you submission is fun while being fake all in effort to gain some form of power or control.  Knife crime, Acid, Terror attacks - you'd have to be blind & stupid to see London has fallen (under a muslim Mayor) You think women should have less rights than a man? You think pedophilia is ok? You think non-muslims should be killed? You think lying and deceit is permissible? You think gays should be killed? This is what you represent when you defend a muslim﻿.   Woman - I can only talk from my own experience but all the Muslims I know were born here, they didn't move here to convert anyone  I've never had a Muslim try to convert me or felt disempowered as a woman through being friends with Muslims.  You remind me of the propaganda I read about in newspapers over here, trying to polarise people against Muslims. When there has been terrorist attacks, all of the Muslims I know have been devastated and will tell you that a real Muslim would never do that.  As for knife crime, that's a gang issue not a Muslim issue. Now you're reminding me of Trump talking about things he doesn't know about!  Lastly, why do you feel the need to resort to labeling me a "muslim sympathiser" and "propaganda police"?  These labels are meaningless to me. Why not be impartial and offer me facts or is your argument not strong enough to stand on it's own?   Me -  Living in denial sweetie. You aren't aware of the muslim grooming gangs? Oh, and btw, the vast majority of all terror attacks are Islam-related. "I can only talk from my own experience but all the Muslims I know were born here, they didn't move here to convert anyone" LOL - Who do you think they were born from?  (how stupid could you be). Their muslim parents who have alterior motives and deceptive agendas gained citizenship to slowly deteriorate your country.  Woman - I don't know all of my friend's parents but either way your point doesn't stand because we're not all the same as our parents. I also find it ironic that you talk about equal rights between the sexes in one post and in the next post patronisingly call me "sweetie". Would you call a man that?   Me -  Yes, I would out of sympathy and humor if I feel even their ideologies are based on ignorance, denial and not facts. It's a euphemism to me. "I don't know all of my friend's parents but either way your point doesn't stand because we're not all the same as our parents." - Error here. You're trying to defend your muslim friends, who you say were born in your country by their muslim parents. But then you say they're not all the same as their parents. But clearly they choose to remain devout to this religion that their PARENTS indoctrinated them with - Unless there's some undisclosed form of liberal muslimism (which then they wouldn't be in integrity to scripture and would completely be hypocrites), your logic doesn't make sense. It's a complete fallacy. You're trying to defend lies. Wearing a hijab in public is like wearing a cross. The people wearing them want people to know their religion. It's promotion. Same thing, no different. And if you use the argument that the hijab represents humility and submission - well then you've completely shot yourself in the foot in defending Islam as a modern woman. You seem like a "sweet" lady. Can't hate a Patriarchy and love Islam. It's an embarrassing contradiction.  Me -  If Islam is so great, why don't muslims stay in Saudi, UAE, or Turkey? They're not war-torn. So why? Why remain devout to the "religion" and not your country of birth - that is predominantly muslim? Is it because Christian areas and countries are open, tolerant, and accepting? Because Christian countries have mostly evolved past religion that now makes them easier to exploit? If they're seeking liberation, why carry the chains and shackles of this religion with them? It's not done out of fear and amateurism, it's deliberate. Islam is an ideology, not a race, and a total contradiction.   Woman - no response.