People don't like it when you state obvious facts around here....  Well they do, but only if the facts back up our own opinions...  Ya got to find other places to frequent if you also want to discuss stuff with other members of our movement that aren't afraid of actual truth as opposed to the "truth" as long as it never says anything bad about our side at all.... Or especially anything that even slightly makes it seem like you're agreeing with the left on absolutely anything at all, ever.