also their last resort when you call out the foul deeds of their leaders is to say, well Trump does it too! When they have to face the facts that their leaders are pedos who peddle absolute lies and corruption if you back them into a corner logically where they can do nothing but accept this, they try to just act like Trump does the same thing. Also yes always ask for facts to backup their claims. Very rarely are they capable of thinking critically further than the spoon fed  info they regurgitate from their media