I have to disagree, sir. Joined in '85, when options were few for MANY, judges were actively giving a choice between jail and service, and I met seriously fucked up wasteproducts that compare to about nowhere else. One dude routinely ate out of the garbage. v/zscuro hit it on the head, when I was active duty and scrubbing floors, and polishing shit, and cleaning and emptying trash and standing looking forward and trying to stay awake.