I have the same experience which is why I give bad advice. I've sold my fair share of "It works!" wraps because hams are stupid and I deserve their money. They look at my abs and are actually dumb enough to believe that a wrap made that happen. Not only that, they were dense enough to enter the obeast classification in the first place. This works much better than me giving them real advice and having them argue with me that I'm wrong. A swolelord is never wrong! But he will change his tactics after a while...