Uhh the Rubene  2000  sque ideals are an actual thing. Yes, it was from a time when food was scarce(r) and commoners in the low countries were being fucked over with constant wars so a lot of harvests were going to shit. Fat was a symbol of wealth as no commoner was able to be fat. Wealth was seen as attractive, and still is. Saying fat was never seen as attractive is simply not correct. There was a horrible article on this sub a few days back about people force-feeding their wives in Mauretania because of the same ideals. I hate fat people with a passion buy I also love history with a passion. Let's actually keep our facts straight here and don't fall into the pit of lies and incorrectness that fats love so dearly