but never actually attempts it  It still gets me sometimes that people need to work so hard at it. Like really sit down, think things through, go through options etc. When it's just so mind numbingly simple to do. I mean even if they don't want to reduce the mountain of food in every meal they could just skip one. That's it. Two horrifically giant meals a day instead of one. And they'd lose a huge amount of weight. Or just eat half as much for any of the meals. There's a million ways for them to make a giant dent in it with what amounts to no real planning or effort.  I mean doing it properly is a different thing. In the end what they should be doing is working on calorie counts, nutrition, satiety, exercise whatever. But for people in the obese to overweight range they've got enough calories stored up that they don't really have to give a shit. They can be horrifically lazy about it and just do it by only being gluttonous rather than shockingly gluttonous and they'd still lose weight. And even THAT is too much work for them.