On a related note, notice how Grindr et. al.--in Anglosphere and Hajnal Line countries--have an overwheming majority of obese unshaven slobs that you'd never, ever see in photos of ordinary gay men (not models, just ordinary gay men) before and during the AIDS crisis?    You can search the pics in vain for a bathhouse guest or Castro resident who looks like the modern Grindrfat.  This kind of thig is fucking why I hate obesity: the sick joke that now that after thousands of years gay sex is finally allowed, at that very moment, the men are now unfuckable.  Like how as soon as mankind finally develops the technology for large-scale dating sites, young women are unfuckable.  The tastes gay men from Emperor Hadrian to Tom of Finland had for thousands of years without criticism for it are now "problematic"   /u/RawScent remembers when "bear" meant muscles and a certain style, not "I'll just let myself go and then say I'm a bear" like in the Bearcelona videos.  The latter are not only fat, they lack grandiose beards or any attempt to look a certain way.    It's not that sexual promiscuity = fat slobs, ask /u/sparklefuck or the BDSM and swinger people in /r/KinkyShitlords.  /u/SUPA_FUPA and I are both furries with autism.  It didn't result in us being fats or fat sympathizers.