It's the ham mentality that's more crippling than anything. I have more respect for the hams that fully and readily admits it's a vice and it's slowly killing them surely as an alcholics liver is going to cirrhosis town or a smokers is getting lung cancer/emphysema than the hams that claim they're healthy and it's genetic.  The first type I kind of lump in with any kind of addict...heroin, meth, alcohol, gambling, food. The righteousness and excuses and denial of latter I find super infuriating. If you're a fat fuck with no self control, at least own it and get help and go into treatment. I guess it's like alcholics who claim they can "stop any time" and "I'm functional". But society doesn't embrace the alcholic and no one protects the alcholics fee fees and claims they're healthy at any BAC.  When it comes down to it, I guess that's what makes me here at fph and not alcholics hate. Society shuns conventional addicts but some how is embracing food addicts.