THEY RUIN EVERYTHING. Do not let them ruin things you like. I used to go to anime conventions and the fats ruined that, they love Magic the Gathering (never going to a tournament again it smelled like grease and shame), they blubber around the renaissance fairs but I still go to make them look bad, they make goth look horrible, but I still wear black some times, they RUINED nose rings so mine is a tiny spacer because I don't want to associate with fat pigs. THIS is goth circa 90s