The thing is... one is married, and the other two are engaged, one to be married this summer.. There's lifetime consequences here. I don't talk shit about their wives/fiances to them but to our other mutual friends who agree (we have a group of like 8 of us that have been close for YEARS). EDIT: Also, recently one invited me to go camping and float the river... then he casually added guys only at the end. That is something I would love to take my girlfriend but I'm 95% sure his wife didn't go 'cause that hamplanet isn't fitting in any bathing suit so he wanted to make her feel comfortable but just only having guys around. See, my girlfriend isn't lame as shit, will hang and be fun and will bar tend for us. Our other mutual friends and I agreed having girls would be more fun anyways. So now a potential awesome vacation with my girlfriend and close friends is being indirectly ruined by this fat motherfucking wife of his  ;(.