I know we all joke around about that, calling them "mayo gender" or other things.  Once they get so fat, they are just fat and nothing else.  But honestly, there's a lot of truth behind that.  You see it on M600PL , they get to a point where they have no discernible features, no joints, no shape to their body, you can look at them naked and not tell if it's a male or female.  It wrecks the body, and literally makes them all look the same, like a bag of fat.  But yeah, HAES and shit.