When they actually LEGITIMATELY try, I give them the benefit of the doubt that they were raised in a shitty household by shitty parents and they literally just didn't know better. At least until they are out of the house age. Since they mention "after school" in this post, I'm assuming they are high school age, and to me I give him that BOTD and am happy for him for changing what was probably brought onto them by their parents. People always talk about how they feel bad for small children being fat because of the parents, but that dependency still goes well into teenage years, more so if you were never taught otherwise.