^ I hate how widespread "they're delusional and need HELP" is, as if there exists a form of talking that makes dysphoria go away or changes how the brain is wired. I'd LOVE to debate Ben Shapiro or Milo Yiannopoulos on this.  It's not just a small corner of the internet, it's widespread.  A nonzero percentage of these people are parents.  This comment, for example:  Our 17 year old grandson murdered our son and daughter in law (his parents) stabbing them over twenty times because he said he was afraid they wouldn't accept his choice of a transgender lifestyle ! Now tell me homosexuals aren't mentally disturbed !﻿    Wow I was just reading about that. I'm sorry for your loss. I was just commenting elsewhere how senseless it was. That's the worst part. If it was some gangster or drug dealer getting murdered you can understand it but Antonio seemed like a great man, served his country, retired to be with his family, and then murdered in his own home by his child. It's insane.  I hope your other grandson is holding it together, the article only briefly mentioned him. And I hope for his own sake the kid knocks that trans stuff off when he gets to big boy prison. He'll either be completely isolated in PC and go even more nuts or he'll be abused in gen-pop. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs regardless.﻿  For the record, the article on the slaying disproves the "he killed them because trannies" claim.  But holy fuck the Balcer's children are hamplanets.  How the fuck did they even get that obese when the parents look like humans? I'm surprised I'm not the only person with this view on Voat.  I'm so fucking used to Voat shifting from libertarianism to social conservatism and being told that trans people are delusional and shouldn't be allowed hormones but should "get help." Tumbrinas are a dream come true for anti-trans ideology.  It's the best possible ammunition.  Especially in light of how their problems are made-up bullshit whereas actual trans people get horrific treatment from their parents (just ask Leelah Alcorn). Exhibit A: Travis Alabanza suing a British department store for redirecting him to the men's restroom.  This is someone who voluntarily uses a male name and isn't on hormones.  And is also less womanly than the average drag queen or even the average femboy. This is why the only "I identify as neither a man nor a woman" people I don't immediately laugh at are non-Westerners who put lots of effort into their appearance like the Oaxacan muxes, Brazilian travestis and Indian hijras.  Those people at least have actual dysphoria.  All the "I'm nonbinary" Americans turn out to be crazy Tumbrinas with not an ounce of dysphoria.