"By the way, did you notice the moralistic use of "Karma" in the comment above? Abusive people are sinners by virtue of existence. We have done wrong, and we're going to get our comeuppance one of these days, isn't that right? I suppose that implies that abuse victims and those who don't go around hurting others are sainted by virtue of existence. Good to know!" They will do anything, absolutely anything, clear down to shittting on the poor and the hungry, to keep themselves from having to accept that fat doesn't just happen, it's a result of years and years of stupid actions, of consuming more than you need/use.