Pants waists are the most frustrating of them all. I've got some older jeans that have a 32" waist and fit me perfectly, I only need a belt for appearances. I bought some new ones with a 32" and they start to sag if I try to walk away from my closet without a belt. It's a fucking circle measured in inches. How the fuck can you vanity size that, just go by the number of inches it is.