[Meta] OK FPH. here's something I struggle with. how do you hate and still be a nice person? Also FPH tactics. So I had  been a lurker on FPH for awhile and only recently got verified - and I considered that the pinnacle of my participation here, and I'm proud to be recognized as fit and NOT fat. Like many of you here, I have visited FPH because it's kept me motivated. Like the ancient scapegoating rituals of yore, hating the Other can provide a powerful tool for more sharply defining who you want to be both as a person and as a group of people. I hate fatness. I hate the idea, practice, and business of being overweight or obese. I think it makes basic sense that a majority of people find obesity unattractive (aside from fetishists) and I resent the idea that I'm supposed to find fat attractive or I'm some sort of woman-hater (bullshit). I despise the "Fat Acceptance Movement" and I think "Health At Every Size" is completely delusional horsehocky and those who push it are pushing dangerous nonsense, as the US and the rest of the industrialized world rots their insides away due to obesity-related illness the idea that it's somehow "healthy" to be huge seems to be almost criminal propaganda to be circulating to our society and our children. That being said, I consider myself a nice, empathetic person. A large amount of the things I read here that are said about fat people I would never contemplate saying to their faces. I mean, if I found myself in a conversation with a person (fat or otherwise) who tried to propound to me the virtues of HAES or fat acceptance, I would probably firmly put them in their place if the opportunity presented itself, to at least be one additional voice in the wilderness. But I would probably completely shy away from the practice of calling them names or verbally abusing them. Just because, well, it doesn't feel nice. All the stuff about calling fat people "fat fucks," "hamplanets,"  "buttergolems," etc., and the practice of "thing-i-fying" them (referring to them as things rather than people), well, I get that it gives us a common language and set of practices that keep us together as a "tribe" of sorts. But…. again…. it just ultimately doesn't feel nice to say these things, and I don't think I can sustain my participation here in part because of that, unless I can somehow justify it differently in my head….. which seems unlikely at this point, simply because of my disposition and personality.  I actually respect the philosophy of this place and many of the participants quite a lot, and I think FPH absolutely has a right to exist, and moreover, I think shame and shaming has a really critical place in society, so I still do believe that in a way, FPH serves an important function to society, but personally, I don't think I can stick around for very long. And, the doxxing, brigading stuff (I know it's officially frowned upon, but I know some of the participants here still do it), that probably is just bad and counterproductive no matter how you look at it. So, that is just something I can't get behind.  Basically, I just don't like making others feel bad, even if they are delusional, gigantic, obese, and pushing garbage like HAES and fat acceptance. I guess that's my problem with being on this sub long-term. If I wouldn't be able to stand behind what I say about people here if I was required to do so in meatspace, then maybe I shouldn't be here?  Maybe FatLogic is the place for me.  Anyways, cheers. I'll likely continue to lurk, because this place has provided me with lots of amusement and fascination over the last few months….. and again, you're doing important work by just existing.