But yeah I really can't stand vanity sizing because when you're an actual size 8, you're already the smallest size so God help us when sizing gets downshifted again! Like Im a powerlifter and gymnast, not exactly skinny skinny, so you'd probably have to become very friendly with a sewing machine if you're any smaller.... though I have been buying off asian sellers online and ebay for much of my day to day wear. It's not just sizing here but also fit. Everything is a potato sack with not much in the way shape or tailoring. Like why????