anorexics and fats share the same problem of denying there is actually a problem until something snaps them out of it  Spot on. This is exactly why I made this post here instead of in FPHdiscussion. Anorexics can find hive minds, though I assume it was easier back when LiveJournal, Angelfire, Expage etc were still a thing. MySpace also provided a great place for it for several years. There are fewer "safe spaces" but there are still plenty of forums out there. It's hard to understand that you have a serious problem when it isn't immediately and obviously health-threatening. I knew other people thought I had a problem, but they weren't in my body and experiencing it, so I discounted what they said. My health had to implode before I got real about it all. One of the many reasons FPH is awesome is because it includes an effort to help fats snap out of their disordered thinking before things get really, really bad. That is a very loving thing to do, IMO - not hateful.   1000  I don't mean to try to take away from the aim of this group, I'm just trying to say that I see good intentions within it. There's a significant amount of pro-ana material. Pretty much all models are pro-ana material, just like all plus size celebrities are FA material. Of course anorexics don't end up looking like the idealized versions of bodies depicted... We get thinner and grosser. But we think that that's what we're going for and simply can't see that our bodies' appearances are screaming out that they are sick. It wasn't until I saw myself in the reflection of my shower faucet that I realized how malnourished and scary my body looked. When I looked at myself in a mirror, I already had pro-ana lenses on, and simply did not see what was actually there. Glimpsing that unrequested, unfiltered view of my body was very jarring (in a good way). Fatties surely need to experience the same thing. They think they look like these idealized versions of bodies, able to do whatever activities the model is pretending to do. They simply cannot see what their bodies really look like. Shaming helps get them out of that mindset. The confirmation and self-affirmations are keeping fats sick and dying. It is so not okay. People like Ragen and Tess are genuine monsters.