:) see that isnt a problem! If someone such as yourself tells me your a hard stick im more inclined to believe it. And id be more sympathetic and use a butterfly to draw the tests. Though, there are a lot of good spots to draw from. If I cant find anything in the median cubital, ill go for the cephalic vein. nothing there im going for the wrist, or the hand. Both of which are tender areas. Sticking feet is a big no-no unless we get a doctors orders too many nerves and it plain sucks to get stuck in the foot. The problem with fats... Phlebs use the excuse "your a hard stick." This goes for normal people and fat asses, people hear that once then latch onto that. Ive had people tell me they are a "hard stick" normal sized people and ill nail em from the get go. come to find out its the lard ass nurses or phleb who missed and used this excuse I also refuse to dig, thats just wrong.