I might have turned someone into a shitlord! So, long story short, I've been messaging with this guy on reddit for a few days, mostly talking about gym stuff/martial arts. For some reason though we got to losing weight etc and I went on a bit of a rant, let me just copy a few things here: Me: [...] There are just so many benefits to being fit. I don't necessarily want to rant, but I am not a fan of the 'fat acceptance' movement at all. Him: [...] And yeah, I've never really been a fitness nut or anything, usually done sports and stuff casually, but barring some exceptions like thyroid issues, "fat acceptence" is not healthy at all. I've also personally been there as a teen too so I'm biased. Me: Look! (Insert rant about my having Hypothyroidism and still lost weight because duh, CICO) SO what I want to say, fat acceptance is not only bs, but also unhealthy and dangerous. People are literally eating themselves into an early grave and everyone's cheering for them. Urgh. Him: I agree with you there, but the thing is, not everybody has that amount of willpower, unfortunately. The fact that society is cheering on them when they're overstuffing themselves into an early grave is total horseshit though and the movement has no redeeming qualities. Still, I like that saying "Live and let live". It's a bit selfish but people are gonna do what they're gonna do. Being fat is unhealthy, but unlike, for example, smoking, nobody else is really getting hurt. Not gonna support those people, but it's kind of "whatever", you know? Me: Look, this is what I hate about that! We should not be celebrating the lack of willpower and self-control. You don't even have to exercise to lose weight at all. You can sit on your butt all day and still lose weight, as long as you stick to staying under your TDEE calorie-wise. But people perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify overeating and it makes me sick. Additionally, it does affect other people. People in the medical field, especially nurses and emergency helpers, also firefighters - they have to care for and carry these people, which puts them at risk for injury etc. Also being obese and requiring lots of medical attention is wasting so much (tax) money, it's insane. Haaa. It's just all around... incredibly selfish. Plus, obese parents tend to overfeed their children and make them obese and miserable in turn, so yeah again, it does affect other people and that makes me pretty mad. Sorry for the rant, this is just an issue that really annoys me. Him: I agree that nobody should be celebrating that, but it's a thing that happens. Not sure if it's happening more often now or if people are feeling it's easier to express themselves because of internet anonymity, but it seems to be decently widespread. But you are right, weight is lost in the kitchen, muscles are built in the gym, right? And good point about EMTs, firefighters and such, didn't think of that. The problem is much deeper than I thought, damn. Now that I think about it, my family is a family of overeaters and it did affect both me and my sister. We've only just begun breaking free of that a few years ago. So yeah, hopefully that'll turn him into a proper shitlord! TL;DR: Am talking to this guy about martial arts and fitness, might have converted him to fat hate. Feels good.