Exactly.  They really think it's about running and not calorie deficits--halo-effect fatlogic.  Whence cometh thin handicapped people?  I don't run   I know a lady in a powerchair with severe ALS.  She's still thin.     because I have an 81 year old granny to take care of   MUH CUNDISHUNS How exactly does caretaking force someone to eat excess calories?  I know lots of Americans think like that--that they're supposed to get fat in high-stress situations.  That taking care of kids made them fat.  How fucking come all the guys I know who have 80-hour workweeks are thin, then?  Shouldn't they have turned into hamplanets from all the hard work they have to do?  and I live out in the woods so the only way I'm running is if I'm being chased by a bobcat or something.   Who wants to bet that if Fudge Bar lived in the city, they'd cite that as the reason for why "I don't run?"   Anyway, I use to weight 225lbs when I was 15 which I admit was too much. But at school i had 3 stories of steps and about 200 steps to climb every day so I ate to keep up the energy.  As I got in my adults I started to slack off on junk food, little by little I dropped down to 168 lbs.  Holy fuck, and Fudge Bar still thinks exercise and not calorie deficits are what determine weight loss.   I gained about 30 more due to taking care of my mom out of town (fast food inbetween doc trips)  But clearly it's "having an 81 year old granny to take care of" and not excess calories that did it!  But about 3 years ago, I started on a high fiber,limited soda and junk food diet.   Again, it was CICO that did it--one man went from ham to human eating a calorie deficit on a diet that consisted of Twinkies, and another lost 57 pounds eating a calorie deficit consisting of nothing but the McDonald's menu.  If you dump sugar on your oatmeal and call it healthy because oats have fiber--or, in the case of hams like Murray, dump sugar on Special K--the end result is a Secret Eaters episode.  obese (not fat) but obese  You can tell the fatlogic believer by their complete disregard for BMI statistics.  "Obese" isn't used in the sense of the dictionary definition of "30+ BMI," it's Americanese for "off the charts and going to die soon."  With that being said, I get soo sick and tired of these...obese women who claim their weight is due to medicine or some health problems.   You're onto a very good point, Fudgy!  Maybe, just maybe, the same applies to "I don't run" and "I have an 81 year old granny to take care of" and "I have to eat to keep up my energy to climb 200 steps."      Yes medicine and health problems can make you gain weight, but it's your responsibility to not consume 3 packs of oreos a day or 4 #8's at macdonalds in one sitting.  I honestly can't stand obese people. I see in the store beep beep beeping as they back up in the chip or cookie aisle. Or hear them breathing like an asthma patient while they lift 12 packs of soda into their carts. I honestly cannot stand them.    America is so bad that even other fat people whose reason for not exercising is "I live in the woods" are disturbed by it.   This is a natural aversion (protip: if you're a misanthrope like me and you don't respond well to "you should _____," do what a lot of us do and channel that disgust into being the opposite of them).  And it's also why the Japanese aren't fond of American tourists like Fudge Bar.       To me, obese people have given up on life  An accurate self-assessment ("I use to weight 225lbs when I was 15").  There's this neighbor who cannot walk due to pushing 400+lbs and her 2 daughters, ones 357 need a stick to walk, and the other is 319lb and constantly having food related health problems. They're nice people but I cannot stand to see them eat, they order 3 bowls of chili, the mom eats half a loaf of Italian bread in one meal and the 4 of them (a 260lb 16 year old son) goes through 3 double layered cakes per day. It's disgusting.  Not unlike a 15-year-old weighing 225 pounds because "I need to keep up my energy."     plus size healthy fat whatever its called)  HAES  I'm wondering if I'm the only fat person (fat,fluffy, plus size healthy fat whatever its called) who cannot stand obese people.  "Fat is less than obese!  Those BMI charts don't count!"    This is like defining yourself as not an alcoholic because there are other alcoholics who drink a lot more than you.  You can claim to be "not an alcoholic" all you want and it won't stop you from getting cirrhosis.  Same with "I'm fluffy, I'm a fat person disgusted with obese people" and high-BMI health complications.  They make us fat people whose trying to eat right and take care of our weight out to be lazy food grubbing people like them.   HOLY SHIT.  /u/IfIDidIt was right on the fucking money.  It's like those FPS posts: "be me, OP, 300 pounds but WORKING ON IT.  Don't be GiantDisgustingHamplanet, 325 pounds of fail."  out to be lazy food grubbing people like them.   "I don't run because I have an 81 year old granny to take care of and I live out in the woods" "I use to weight 225lbs when I was 15 which I admit was too much. But at school i had 3 stories of steps and about 200 steps to climb every day so I ate to keep up the energy." "I gained about 30 more due to taking care of my mom out of town (fast food inbetween doc trips)"