Exactly.  Transtrenders set the clock back far more than Caitlyn Jenner famous-for-being-famous celebrity-attention-whoring ever could.  It's like having NAMBLA at a gay pride parade in the 1970s when most states still outlawed sex between consenting adult males (in 1984, Whitham cites that some states and countries even have consenting-adult laws as a crucial victory for gay rights). They're what anti-transition ideologues and gatekeepers cite for not having informed-consent clinics--which means MtFs have to wait for hormones, which means we get hons in Anglo countries instead of the pretty trans women Southeast Asian countries have--in the Philippines, even AGPs like Stefoknee Wolscht are on hormones at 14.  They're the impetus for Kiwi Farms going full TERF/theocon on the Trans Question and citing Paul McHugh. Actual trans men like Buck Angel--bluepilled as he is--don't want fat hanging off their chest.  That would be a very strong cause of dysphoria.  Body fat retains estrogen.  Even the pic in this comic shows a male with low body fat percentage.  Goes to show how delusional strongfats are about the effects of "I'll go to the gym and the reward myself with junk food." You know how you can tell transtrenders are lying about being transgender?  Because they don't have dysphoria.  Even hons like Stefoknee Wolscht have dysphoria.  Toothpaste Hair even said "I don't hate my body."  Contrast "Milo" Stewart--who claims to be a trans male but acts exactly like a Girl who's had too much Tumblr--with the behavior of actual transgender peoplw like Leelah Alcorn.  Stewart made the "Trans Boys In Dresses" video.  Alcorn only wore male clothing because evil, abusive parents forced her to. Fat chicks with horrific taste  What really gets my goat is that while transgender normies have parents who make your life hell if they find out about crossdressing--or even the slightest hint of GNC behavior and mannerisms--while transtrender tucutes have tolerant parents.  The tucutes on BuzzFeed's "Transgender Students" video have the luxury of complaining that their parents don't pander to their neopronouns, a luxury Leelah Alcorn and everyone sent to "troubled teen" fundie prison camps never had.  I hate the fucking postmodernist bitch in that video going on about how it's "a knife through the heart" that the parents she lives off of don't use "they" pronouns. You know why I hate her?  These dipshits don't know real family rejection.  At least in Latin American countries like Brazil you can run away to a city and the state isn't interventionist enough to bring you back, unlike Anglo countries.  I suspect it's not a coincidence that the same Latin American and Southeast Asian countries that have less gatekeeping and easier informal access to hormones than Anglo countries are the very same countries that didn't have the cops shut down gay clubs and bathhouses when Anglo countries did at the time Whitham was writing Homosexuality in Four Societies. And no, slight gender nonconformity crossdressing and being a snowflake attention-seeker doesn't make you transgender if you aren't on hormones or otherwise have body modifications like breast implan  218  ts.  In the Brazilian travesti documentary Boys from Brazil, the crossdresser Gaspar grouped himself in a different category from the travestis he hung out with.  Drag queen Marsha P. Johnson, who wore women's clothing in day-to-day life, denied being transgender.  And Johnson was around decades before the 1993 article referring to drag queens as "transgendered"--not to mention later articles claiming female impersonator Peter Oiler was transgender (Brazilians would classify Oiler, RuPaul and the Tri-Es  4179  s Society as transformistas, NOT travestis). Likewise, Ovid's PUA guide Ars Amatoria comments on the limits of heterosexual male grooming with the line "leave the rest to the cinaedi and the priestesses of Cybele."  Even in the ancient Roman mindset, gays and bisexuals who depilate their bodies to look more feminine are not the same species as the Gallae who cut their balls off and used distilled mare's urine as an estrogen source.  Ovid would have classified Roketsune as a cinaedus, not as transgender.  Neither modern definitions from the DSM, nor the clinical experience of professionals like Moser, Vitale and Dhejne, nor old definitions classify Tumbrinas as "transgender."  Only foo-foo postmodernists and confused journalists (the 1993 article wasn't exactly progressive) do.