the thing there is typically the people who are actually effective programmers aren't the greasy fatties; if you are working with a horde of margegolians maybe think about getting your CV in line and seeing what offers you can get at other places department in my current job has a boxer, a judoka, an ex footballer who is an utter shitlord, the only chunkmonsters are in admin roles and to be fair you can forward an email with one hoof while the other is busy compacting the contents o  25d9  f the cookie jar into diamonds