Gym delusions It drives me nuts when I see regular nonenhanced people claim their obese BMI is due to muscle. I dont know anyone even in the overweight range who still has abs without being on juice. If your a man and you dont have abs your not in shape period end of discussion. Even if your on juice, if your in the obese catagory your fat unless you are legitimately a professional level body builder.    I get into arguements with guys all the time in the winter when they start getting to over a 30 bmi. I've only once gotten up that high since I got on juice and I felt so fat, at 5'11 215 I could still do 15x5 pull up sets but god I felt bloated. I try to never go over 205 which would be a BMI of 27. Thats the highest I can go and still have good ab definition. Fatties in the gym who claim their obese BMI is all muscle GTFO. If your not in the 1000 pound club and have abs I dont care how much you work out, BMI applies to you. Honestly if your a man and your natural, the chances of BMI not applying to you are almost ZERO. Get out of here with the excuses and get on a cut.