Totally agreed. It's even harder when they surround themselves with like minded fatsacks. I think of my mom and her fatass boyfriend who despite many health problems, says he has a food addiction and doesn't care to lose weight. My mom is one of those illogical fats, where just talking to them about weight will get them to tell you that discussing it just makes them want to eat more out of spite. Yeah, that'll teach me!  I could say that she seems to care very much about her granddaughter, but that she's only gotten fatter lately makes me wonder how much she really does care about being around for her.