I've had this same argument in person. Even small fats have no idea wtf a human is supposed to look like. One was trying to convince me that a woman that was clearly fit and athletic was underweight.   Exactly.  ShitArchon's Mom: "It's so hard to find pants for you!" ShitArchon: "It's not my fault Texans are fat!" My mother thinks having a 28-inch pant waist  is underweight, unhealthy and a sign I need more body fat, because pants have to be ordered online and my brother wears a 30-inch waist.  She's not nearly as bothered by her waist and obese BMI--I don't know the exact measurements, but when someone looks like a dump truck they're obviously unhealthy.  Even with beauty standards like WHR--the wider the waist, the greater the heart attack risk, so dumpier fat distributions really are more dangerous.