Maybe another fpher still has the link, but years ago there was a user who actually dug into this deeper, and had strong proof that sugar and corn lobbies that gave money to some of the first HAES-pushers. I'll see if I can find it again, too. It's a winning cycle for the companies growing corn, manufacturing processed foods, and selling drugs. Tell people they're fine and should eat whatever they want, and they'll buy all kinds of garbage. Then they'll have to go to the doctor, get on meds, buy a CPAP, buy lancets and blood sugar testers, etc. Doctor tells them to stop being fat, so they buy stupid diet drinks and microwavable "diet" food, stay fat and unhealthy, get upset they're still fat, go back to eating their normal garbage and convince themselves they're beautiful until the next round of health issues strike.