I had a fat friend back in the day. She really wanted to lose weight and I tried to help, I really did. And she lost a bunch - went from 180 to 135 during the time I knew her. But, she was 5'1" so was still a tubby butterball at 135. Neither of us realized at the time how few calories a person of that height really needed to ingest to lose weight. But hey, last time I saw a pic of her on some social media site she actually looked slim so I guess she figured it out in the end. The point is it was awful having to listen to the low self confidence, calorie worrying rants that were our daily conversation. Like, I know you're fat, I know you're working on it but for fucks sake do you have anything else to talk about????