Yep, it's certainly not that they did the whole "pink" thing that aimed at a different demographic and left their old customers in the dust. I was talking a few months ago elsewhere with some other ladies about how the Victoria's Secret catalog used to have really good clothes, professional clothes and casual clothes for decent prices and good quality. You also used to be able to get really good basics out of that catalog (and in some of the stores), just plain cotton bras and panties in lots of different colors, that fit and didn't fall apart, in addition to all the "showy" stuff. When we were dating, Mr. Mantooth bought me some velvet bras and boy-short panties there, and I kept and wore those for a dozen years and they were still in great shape (I'd still have them, too, if they hadn't been lost in a move). One of them was a really pretty burgundy and I used to wear it under lace shirts and open-mesh sweaters all the time. I don't even go into their stores anymore, because all I ever see in there is pink crap and Pink crap, which, I'm a grown woman, I don't want or need the word "PINK" scrawled across my butt.