"I think being fat should be treated [with the same stigma as] smoking and being an alcoholic." --the shitlordiest guy I ever knew, currently an EOD tech who works out three times a day and trains at the level of spec-ops teams We don't preach drunk acceptance or smoking acceptance even though millions of Americans smoke and drink--there are certainly as many or more of them as there are 500-pound deathfats, but somehow it's taboo to point out that you ruin your back by lifting the latter (note the NAAFA rep's reaction to the EMT on a game show who admitted to believing very un-PC and true things about fat people).  We don't bullshit about "shaming" when "shaming" has nothing to do with it and preserving your health has everything to do with it.  We don't insist that smoking doesn't affect others.  My bus has been late several times whenever a ham on a scootypuff wants to get on the bus and we've already had to take the time to get an actually handicapped person's wheelchair on.  As someone who has had to be cramped in, shoulders-hunched, with hams on both sides of me and their grocery bags on the floor, it was at least as uncomfortable as sitting next to a smoker if not moreso.    Guys don't like dating chicks who smell bad.  Guys don't like dating chicks with meth mouth.  Guys don't like dating chicks with track marks.  Nobody looks at that and concludes that the antis are bigots and we just need more propaganda and that will somehow change what a dick gets hard to.    It's crazy how fat in the Anglosphere is treated as magically different.  Japanese culture doesn't do that, "marshmallow girl" one-off groups notwithstanding.  And Japan has sedentary jobs and vending machines, so it's not like the existence of those things forces people to be obese.  If Pacific Islanders, Maori, Pima, etc. counted calories there wouldn't be the whole "I have diabeetus!  Must be my terrible genetics, woe is me for being forced on a Western diet!"