[Discussion] What do you think of the points Thidran brought up? A few days ago I had a conversation with Thidran and we discussed a number of interesting topics surrounding GamerGate. For those of you who don't know, Thidran is the owner of the Burgers & Fries IRC channel and imageboard. Thidran has been a key player in GamerGate since the beginning and in our conversation he tells the (from his perspective) 'true story' of how GamerGate began. Here is the full conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib28t5jkxtI Here are some of the key things discussed: GamerGate isn't only about ethics in gaming journalism. GamerGate is about improving the industry as a whole. GamerGate needs to focus more on digging, individual projects and industry issues. Thidran condemns the threats the threats the LWs have received and he opposes doxxing. Burgers & Fries was always concerned with ethics, people on both sides need to stop claiming that they weren't. Gamers should form a Wikileaks-esque site where game developers can anonymously report on alleged abuses by publishers and studios. Leigh Alexander was right in her list about all of the problems in the gaming industry. Gamers should reach out to (moderates in) the SJW crowd and work towards common goals. GamerGate isn't a movement, it's an ongoing event (similar to a war). GamerGate is actually a proxy war between channers and Something Awful goons. Discussion of the Zoe Post didn't start on 4chan, it actually started on Something Awful and Penny Arcade. Burgers & Fries was separate from GamerGate, but some bad things did happen during the Burgers & Fries era. The reason some people focused on Zoe Quinn during the Burgers & Fries era is because of her attacks on the chans and her long history with Something Awful. Another reason is because early on The Fine Young Capitalists went public about Quinn's harassment and DDoS campaign against them and because CameraLady's digging revealed her ties with Silverstring Media and the IGF. Thidran alleges that he has evidence showing that Zoe Quinn's friends are responsible for much of her alleged harassment. Also alleges that Zoe Quinn personally reached out to journalists in order to push her "gamers are harassing me" narrative. Thidran alleges that Alex Lifschitz (billionaire playboy who opposes GamerGate) is manipulating the SJW crowd for his own personal ends. Thidran called out some of the alleged "bad actors" on his side. He alleges that The Ralph and Neirdan have behaved unethically. Referred to Robin Gething as "an idiot." Thidran believes the 4chan censorship of GamerGate was because the 4chan moderators lost their cool and received too many false reports, causing them to nuke everything. What do you guys think of the topics discussed? Do you think Thidran's timeline of events is accurate? Should GamerGate focus more on industry issues? Should gamers form a Wikileaks-esque website to help game developers go public with industry abuses? Is Thidran right about GamerGate actually being a proxy war between channers and SA goons? If GamerGate is indeed actually a conflict between channers and goons, what does that mean for both sides? Did Zoe Quinn and her friends craft the harassment narrative themselves? Is GamerGate an event, rather than a movement? Are you glad to see that Thidran condemned threats/doxxing and even called out some of the alleged "bad actors" on the "pro-gamer" side?