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good evening dear hearts and welcome to the show I'm Norman Johnson I would
like for you to meet my co-host both here and at home Lil Mays Johnson hi
there good evening how are you I'm fine Harry we did survive the holidays we did
survive the holidays we are a little tired one of the best I have ever had me
to enjoy very much I would like to thank everyone who came out when we take the
Christmas special at the mall and I would sincerely like to thank everyone
who has commented about it around that made us feel good it makes it does feel
like it's worth doing and we've had a good 1993 and I am looking forward to
1994 we've got some good stuff that I think you like before we talk about
that show it's been quite a couple of weeks since we've done the show two
three we've done it dead a couple of times so it's time to have for the
first time in 1994 the great naked just give away yes all right these are some
beautiful earrings they're silver and turquoise hand made by Jennifer Martin
and anyone would be any woman would be proud to have these so what you need to
do in order to be eligible to win these is to call 5 6 4 8 3 8 6 about 10
seconds after the first break starts I will answer the phone put your name in
the drawing and you guys can call to you can give these to your wife or your
girlfriend or your daughter don't be afraid to call because you're a man
and people are always telling me you know I'll say they'll say they watch
show what do you ever call us no I don't think I know you've got plenty of time to
get ready for the phone don't answer any questions no questions just a name and
we would like to thank CG Chris SFA present presence and the winner can
pick these up Saturday from 10 until 2 at SFA present presence on the corner of
North and Carolyn next to Benita cleaners and I would I would like to say
publicly that you and and Chris pulled a fast I'm proud of possessor of the
world's largest coffee mug tree it goes from the floor to the ceiling you know
exactly and we surprised you that was the best part that we surprised I've got a
new mug that's right to give away so again to add to your clothes if you
should win tonight you will need to pick up your prize between 10 and 2 Saturday
at starving fabulous artists present presence next to Benita cleaners are
those gorgeous they're really pretty you ladies call in we'll see the ladies can
call him then they get sure yes and somebody is going to win it tonight you
let your basket at home I did probably the the greatest girls basketball anywhere
in the universe we have been we have borrowed a lady jacks cap to use for the
drawing tonight so give us call we'd like to fill it up if you're a lady jack
supporter just think your name will actually be placed in this we're going
to have to take a break here in just a minute because we've got to do a lot of
readjusting I have the entire staff of the cattle and mounds Indian mound that's
right that's going to be on the show tonight it is spectacular we'll be right
back people working closely together in a loft has become a team and finding
qualified replacements can really be time-consuming with one of our staff had
a long-term illness for don't you temporary took care of everything saving us valuable
time for don't you temporary sent someone who fit right in they handle payroll
costs like workers compensation and unemployment insurance also I really
recommend for don't you temporary to anyone who's thinking of hiring office
help I'm Steven with Adam and Steve's carpets on South Street we've been in
business here in Nacodotus for over 20 years helping local folks with all their
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old home a whole new look come shop with us at Adam and Steve's if you're in the
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folks who'll give you the kind of service you used to expect from all
merchants it's SFA the University not this time SFA stands for starving
fabulous artist starving no fabulous yes artist most definitely presents
presents that are unique and the lowest priced in town so everyone in town
come and see all the unique crafts from SFA PP starving fabulous artist presents
presents located on North Street next to Griffith Hall it's like a whole new
world I'm Norman Johnson of KSFA radio and host of the Breakfast Club a popular
medical talk show sponsored by Nacodotus Memorial Hospital every Friday from 8
until 9 a.m. the hospital serves up the latest medical information along with a
complimentary hospital physicians and health care professionals from
throughout the area join me here at Nacodotus Memorial Hospital every Friday
for this exciting talk show event I'll be telling you about this week's guests
and I sincerely hope you'll join me this coming Friday morning at 8 a.m. for the
Breakfast Club at Nacodotus Memorial Hospital my guest is going to be Dr.
Pokola who is a local cardiologist and we'll be talking about some of the
modern advances in the treatment of the heart which is a subject I am extremely
interested in I can hardly wait you get a free coffee mug you get a free
continental breakfast and we just have a lot of fun you might learn something
to save your life so come down and you can talk directly with Dr. Pokola
Friday morning at Memorial Hospital I would like for you to meet David Turner
David has been on the radio show he is Park Superintendent at what's the
correct name Katoan Mounds State Park I'm disappointed we took a break and I
ran Lil out our our entire crew so we could bring you promised to bring the
staff we're here this is it I would like for you to meet the staff and this is a
state park how does it differ from other state parks
Park
the Katoan Indians named Texans or Tejas that's right the Spanish we our
school books say Spanish the Spanish the Spanish tell us that the word
Tejas so these guys named Texas they just didn't get credit for it wouldn't
you know to know how that was done you know were they all setting around the
fire one night and said gosh what can we call this place and somebody said well
come on Albert come here you don't ever get to see our crew here we're gonna
change max out on David here and while we do that I'll sing a little bit of
zippity-doo-dah or something I guess that's probably working I don't know our
our crew in the back is now going into formal conference and they're telling us
if if they'll work okay hello are we out here we don't know if we are not the
crew is in the back right they all right this is a go I saw that happen on
CNN not too long ago made me feel so good I felt like I was in the big time
David is something of a celebrity this is the September 1993 issue of Texas
Monthly magazine one of my favorite magazines what page are you on I think
it's 68 or is it 86 68 now come on David you know exactly what page it is
it's gonna be funny if it's yeah I'm this is six and I'm in the middle of a
book here I'm not sure how that happened they wish you check the table
content huh check the table content how did this article come about it was an
interview from a Texas Monthly reporter they had heard about the situation
developed in July of 1992 where a number of our state historical parks are
going to be closed and we entered into a contract with the Texas Rural
Communities Foundation in an experiment to keep the park going and what I've
basically been done has been freed to operate as a business and that has
tripled the revenue reduced operating expenses by a third and made the park
survive we were still alive out there we're still operating shorthanded how
real is the threat of not surviving very real very real for this and other
parks well I haven't found it I very hard for me to read and talk at you
government sling time so well he's finding that you know it's amazing how
many people I've talked to since you and I did the radio show who say they've
never been out to the park that's right I've never been out to the park let's
in your own backyard scene no no David my carports in my backyard
what's gonna be a shock to live about that we've got an Indian cemetery back
there you know where the carport used to be well here in Nackadoches you just
might yeah that's very possible I've always been interested in Indian lore
since part of my ancestry I came from the Cherokee is I'm one-fourth Cherokee so
I've always had an interest in that I'm going to just come out sometime and
spend a day there you yes in the second segment we're going to give you sort of
a visual tour of the park being the only person there that's got to be a tough
work it calls for some extra time here in there yeah give the tours that's
right no the yard and clean the bathrooms and do it all you do the whole
thing I'm it do you ever wish that you were in a big park another park or have
you kind of grown attached to it well I sort of grown attached to it you can't
be in my situation and not get a little personally involved you know the place
has got to have an advocate it's not going to protect itself it's not going
to run itself and there's apparently not a lot of people out there willing to
pitch in so wouldn't be something if it was lost it would be terrible what an
amazing part of history not only for our area but for the whole state well it's
it's part of a problem we're seeing nationwide if we lose our history then
we lose who we are yeah and this has been a big issue in the news and in
schools and everything else do you ever personally lobby legislators and things
like that you ever call Jerry Johnson and Bill Haley on phone and say look guys
give it the program at considerable risk to my career yes but I'm also a voting
citizen so I figure I have some opportunity to do that and we have to
take ownership of our own situation and being freed in one way to act as a
businessman also frees me in another way to lobby for the site this has made
some people in the department a little upset but for the most part people want
to see these things work they don't want to see them close then the department
generally supports your efforts to see the parks that's right that's right what
is it cost to to go in okay for adults it's $2 for children between six and
twelve it's a dollar we have special rates for senior citizens and group
tours educational rates and so forth that's right we should charge more
yeah you need to charge no $5 for adults come out there one day and we'll track those prices up son you're gonna be showing the profit what are these
okay these are reproductions of some of the artifact that you would see at the
park if you came out these pot this bottle and bowl here are called Holly
fine engraved they are modern reproductions these are not real
archaeological artifacts the thing about them is that the archaeologists that
made these tried to use traditional methods and he couldn't reproduce these
pots using traditional methods he had to cheat and use modern techniques throwing
them on a wheel and so forth so they were doing something over a thousand
years ago we haven't figured out yet and it was strictly their own creativity
that's right their talent I think so we don't give native people credit for
counting their fingers and toes much less being craftsmen or businessmen or
traders and they had to be all these things to survive here so that's a good
example of what I consider to be one of the things that's kind of gonna muck in
the world today in that we don't depend on our own abilities and our own talents
as much as we used to we have calculators and computers to do all of our
thinking for us and all of our workforce you know they tell me it's
almost to the point now where they can do everything that you normally need to
do you know even set home go shopping whatever you need to do I think the same
things true with art you know they may come up with a machine sometime that can
do that but until they do these are things that the the genuine articles
can't be reviewed that's right do you have a genuine things out there yes we
do now this here is an effigy pipe the one we have at the park is a
reproduction I don't have the security force to protect it if we had the real
thing now this is a what an effigy pipe a effigy means a figure of a man or an
animal in this case of course it's we don't know who he is but he represents
a person in a pose of worshiping if you look at the head piece it looks like
Mayan or Aztec Ark but we've never proven a connection with South American
tribes most of our connections are with the Northeast Great Lakes region
Illinois East Coast and this figure appears not only all over the Cato
area in Texas Arkansas Louisiana and Oklahoma but all over the Mississippi
River Valley he represents some religion of some kind real the real object is
quite valuable that's right and there's a tremendous problem with illegal well
illegal trade and artifacts you'll find there's a connection often between the
drug trade and the artifact trade the people that are transporting one
commodity are transporting the other and that's a big problem and there's money
in looted artifacts I differentiate looting from hobby collecting and
things like that are going to a show perhaps and picking up some things but
then again if you don't know where they came from you might not know what
you're what you're supporting you are other people ever find things out there
you know artifacts arrowheads or whatever periodically there's not been
any archaeological excavation on the site for a number of years and this is
because of the problem with looting and vandalism we have to protect it when I
have time to go out on a project I say that time for sites are in immediate
danger this site's being protected for now but periodically on a gopher run or
something like that will come up with an arrowhead or a piece of pottery or
something like that and for the most part visitors have turned things in they
found along the trail I'm sure sometimes they haven't but for the most part they
have fascinating but that'd be a thrill oh it is and we try to put it on the
maps and see where it came from and so forth when we come back from the break
we're going to take you on a little visual tour of cattle and mountain and I
think we'll find that most interesting we'll do that right after this
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University not this time SFA stands for starving fabulous artist starving no
fabulous yes artist most definitely presents presents that are unique and
the lowest priced in town so everyone in town come and see all the unique
crafts from SFA PP starving fabulous artist presents presents located on
North Street next to Griffith Hall it's like a whole new world just to show you
what great folks we are we're going to give you about an extra five minutes
tonight to get your name in the drawing for the great neck and I just give away
the beautiful turquoise earrings from starving fabulous artist present
presents and if you win you can pick them up Saturday between 10 and 2 but you
need to you know quit thinking about it now go to the phone you could win five
six four eight three eight six you got about five more minutes to do that we've
finally found the article and I just wanted you to see it because it may be
if you're a regular reader of Texas Monthly you may have seen the article
and I think it's a good picture of David on there supposedly that says here the
park is only open on weekends but if you're lucky they'll catch you right
Friday through Monday 10 to 6 and in Thursday by appointment and generally if
people are real nice to me I'll try to make appointments for him at other times
too and and especially groups right right I'll bend over backwards for our
teachers they need all the help they can get and if you are a teacher David
really means that he loves to have school groups come up and making an
excellent field trip and I think you'll enjoy it a lot okay this will be my first
look and David we're gonna run some tape okay now some scenes from out at the
mountains and if you will just sort of describe what we're seeing actually what
we're seeing right now is you and I that's right and okay that's that's the
effigy pipe now as I said that is that particular one is a reproduction you can
see it was quite an impressive piece these are all grave goods buried with
the chiefs of the tribe when the chief passed on he took everything that he
needed with him for the after life take it with you that's right of course I
told my boss if he goes I'm not going with him because they also took their
servants and family members to the large white blade we just passed away from
was in the burial to those are scepters symbols of office and power that blade
was found in the burial on the chief's right arm now those are some earrings
okay those are called ear spools look how big they are they'll be worn through a
hole you cut in your ear lobes a symbol of membership in the tribe how do you
think someone would like to call in for those ah quartz crystals closest place
you can find those is the wash aton mountains now here's the original pipes
that we original pots and bowls that we have our reproductions of some very
beautiful pieces there you can just see some of the cases in the museum I
didn't want to show too much detail because I want people to come out and
see it these tools are used in 83 and reconstruction of the cattle house we
have a reconstructed hut out there and they use traditional methods stone axis
digging sticks things like that there's the John Deere lawnmower right there you
can see the deer jaw sickle that's looking from the back of the building
towards the burial mound we think there's still about 80 odd people still in
there as we jerk around they're still buried there that's right and they're
living descendants of the cattle tribe so we won't be digging the burial mound
again that's the low temple mound the temple on top of that man would be your
county courthouse that is our reconstructed and unfortunately vandalized
cattle house it is safe to go inside and I'm trying to get the infinitely
quickly moving wheels of state bureaucracy to go so we can get that
repaired we're looking towards bowls cream they would say what you really
mean I'd love to but not in uniform we're looking that's the Texas Forest
Service nursery across the road and that's the high temple mound that's the
center of your religious activity and 21 cuts through the middle of the site it
runs through the middle of downtown today the cattle still call this town
site keynote over a thousand years later they have a name for the place
keynote and we're looking along 21 which we think of as the Camino Real the
King's Highway the Spanish came through in 1691 if they were true to form they
were following an old cattle track that's the back door of the museum coming
around the trail there and this is still about 55 65% of the site is intact
under that ground there is a great archaeological resource it's a library
that we really need to try to save for future generations this is coming up the
burial mound and this is where digs take place basically where these steps were
placed and they took out about 14 individuals and based on the size of
space they occupied they figured there was about 95 people in their total how
many mounds are out there there's three mounds two temple mounds one burial
mound we're sort of a frontier village there's much larger sites in the area on
private land and so forth this piece that we're looking at right here this is
the old wealth site a Zebulon pike slept here on his way back from the famous
pike speak expedition this is a day's walk from Nacogdoches a day's walk from
Crockett the men of the Alamo specifically the New Orleans Greys and on
the way to their respective fates at the Alamo and Goliad pause there after
staying here in Nacogdoches we have a big connection with Texas history here
and that section of road right there is the original roadbed there's over 300
years of written history and a thousand years of human that's the original
kings highway the original Camino Real that's right and of course as I said
the Spanish of theratruediform were following an old cattle trade track this
is looking up the burial mound it's about 25 feet tall today and Mount Prairie
that you're seeing out here this open land this is a naturally cleared prairie
the catos didn't clear the trees and so forth like the Anglo-European pioneers
did they look for naturally occurring prairies that occurred along rivers and
creeks and the treeline that you saw earlier was the bowls Creek we're closer
to our hut now this is once upon a time a three-story building our vandals took
out the first floor it's basically a giant basket sewed together with leather
thongs you're looking up at what would have been the third floor a picture if
you will they'd be two sets of decks this would be an extended family grandma
grandpa uncles and aunts and nieces and nephews all the kids you know wouldn't
you love that year round which got a close knit family that's right and it
wasn't extended family and everybody took care of their own that was your
welfare system you know the elderly people weren't pitched out they were
taken care of of course their wisdom had a lot to do with the tribe survival you
would have had platforms there the elder people I think move closer to the
ground with seniority moved down and about that level there is where the
second set of platforms would be and then of course you see I had to do some
temporary pair with metal posts and so forth when our vandals took out the
first floor decks basically just using pocket knives you know to cut the thongs
it weakened the entire structure it is safe to go inside we regularly inspect
it we do ask people not to smoke or climb around while they're there and we
hope to get a new one built here as I said that's been one of my big
challenges since I've been there but it's an interesting experiment then they
as I said they built it using digging sticks and stone axes and so forth
shortleaf pine poles and oak post former structural elements the cane was
imported from the coastal bend the cane the cat is would have used doesn't we
don't have much of it anymore we're looking now as I said towards the high
temple mound we're standing in what used to be downtown and as I said a village
may be a 150 to 300 people perhaps as many as 500 for special ceremonial
events the settlement pattern would be similar to what we have today we have
the little town of alto just six miles away it's surrounded by family farms the
cat us would have had the same pattern our pattern of land use isn't really
that different looking back towards the hut again as you can see it's got
something of a lean into it but even in its current condition it's very
impressive inside I like to do my storytelling with the school kids
leaving the tower of Kato and that proves the burial mound there okay I
mean that sound gruesome but I've got a I've got to figure out logistically how
they did this you've got this this this burial mound put did they do go to the
top and you know just what they did I mean I don't know if they got full they
covered it up how did they when the chief passed on I don't know if this will
work here they didn't so much dig a grave is built it they let it build a
small chamber a load chamber and they put the chief in there with goodies
food tools equipment everything you needed for the afterlife and that
included people to go along we think we hope they volunteered and then they'd
bring in baskets of dirt and cover that chamber up until they had a low platform
that is fascinating and then the chief presided in the temples he was the
county judge and he was the minister and they burn burn down the temples raise
those mounds and so forth and they just keep building up okay we'll be right
back for the great naked I just give away this is HB's grill at 2119 North
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need cash welcome back by the way they do have a gift shop out there right and
I am now to go in my world's largest mug tree that I got from starving
fabulous artist present presents I have a cat on mound mug and a button and a
bumper sticker and I would like to say congratulations to Ron and Chris it's a
it's which anniversary 20 second years 22 years goodness gracious
congratulations just wait on the show Friday I'll be chow we are going to give
away that beautiful set of earrings and David is going to be the official
drawing see what we have you just reach in there and pull out a name and read it
for me okay Sharon Casper Sharon Sharon finally she wins constantly on the
radio show finally won something yes on the TV show congratulations and I
think that's probably going to wrap it up we have a studio audience all of a
sudden my son Jason and his friend about Kevin what is that I see Kevin
every day and I forgot his name that's not good welcome to the show in fact are
we ready to close it out I guess we're ready to close it out I've lost all
track of time now thanks to the entire staff of Kettle and Mounds Park David
Turner for being with us thanks to you for watching and as we close out the
show we'll get Jason and Kevin come out and join us on the set and we'll see you
tomorrow morning on the radio until then bless your house near hearts
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