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If Satan wants to offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, if he would just bow the knee,
is it even possible for Christians to influence what happens at high levels of government?
Welcome to Skywatch TV, I'm Derek Gilbert.
That'll be the general theme of our conversation today with a gentleman who knows what government
looks like from the inside out and like anything on the inside, it's not really pretty.
Joining me in studio for the conversation, the host of one of our weekly web exclusive
programs at skywatchtv.com, host of Into the Multiverse, Josh Peck.
Hey, Derek, thanks for having me on.
And our guest, author of Future War, Super Soldiers, Terminators, Cyberspace and the
National Security Strategy for 21st Century Combat, a man with decades of experience inside
the Beltway.
We welcome back to the program Lieutenant Colonel Bob McGinnis.
Bob, thank you for joining us today.
Well, thanks for having me, Derek.
This has been a really interesting year politically.
Nobody expected President Donald Trump, well, those words to be in the same sentence ever,
President Donald Trump.
And yet it happened and 80% of evangelical Christians voted for Mr. Trump.
And there were some revelations during the campaign, some things that came out that showed
a glimpse once again of some of the ugliness that can take place at the highest levels
of government.
It shouldn't be a surprise to us, but when things like the Podesta emails and the revelation
that a woman who appears to be openly practicing witchcraft is a close associate of a high-level
democratic operative.
I'm talking about Marina Abramovich, who was apparently very friendly with Tony Podesta,
the brother of John Podesta, co-chair of Hillary Clinton's election campaign, doing something
called spirit cooking and look into her background shows that she's very clearly engaging in
what is occult behavior, but even broader than that, Bob, we've got revelations of going
back decades of pedophilia by members of the government just over the weekend from England,
an accusation that their former Prime Minister Edmund Heath was a pedophile.
From your perspective inside the Beltway, in this allegedly Christian nation, how prevalent
is this sort of decadent behavior?
Well, I found some examples that I've seen firsthand in Washington evidence, the influence
of occultism and certainly witchcraft, as I mentioned on The Baker Show months ago.
Any time you have people that are incredibly influential and have a lot of power, they're
going to attract those that have agendas that certainly aren't far from Christian.
That's why you have rank evil that sometimes appears in the middle of governments, whether
it's caving to a particular issue, like I think of Iran and the Obama administration
and we know how evil Iran is with its terrorism and its hatred of Israel and the like.
People that get wrapped up in that, get wrapped up in their own heady power are often influenced.
When you look at Washington, you have a DuPont Circle famous for being the center of homosexuality
in Washington, and you have all sorts of activities down there that are pretty souring.
You have a lot of witchcraft.
You have a lot of hedonism.
You have all the issues that, when I think of Sodom and Gomorrah, I often think of Washington
DC in the same thought, and it's unfortunate because sometimes we have some very good people
that come to Washington with well intended to do the right sorts of things, and yet these
people end up coerced because of the nature of politics and surrender their well intended
ideas to something that is far worse.
So yes, I'm not surprised, and I think it will continue, and unfortunately even people
like President Trump, he needs your prayers, he needs to be uplifted because the temptations
are great.
Yeah, absolutely.
I couldn't agree with you more.
How has, with the entrenchment of occultism and witchcraft and these things in high government,
how have people like that reacted to, I know it's still early, but so far in the Trump presidency?
Well, it is early.
The real danger, because I've seen this over the years, is that some of this evil will
indirectly attack certain individuals and try to coerce them, and whether it is through
blackmail or through relationships, which is often the case, now certainly during the
Clinton years, we saw a great deal of that because of his own indiscretions, which, if
you have indiscretions at the top, you're going to have indiscretions elsewhere because
there's a degree of toleration of that sort of thing.
Having dealt with Capitol Hill and dealt with the media, we have some pretty unsavory people
throughout, and yet Washington is an unsavory place because it's about lobbyists, it's about
influence, it's about great avarice.
That's just the nature, unfortunately, of this fallen world and the nature of the world's
most powerful city, Washington, D.C.
How do some of these attacks manifest themselves when Christians get into Washington?
What sorts of ploys, temptations, just outright assaults would the enemy and Capitol E enemy
use to try to neutralize the influence of Christians in government?
Well, we've seen even some of the most notable Christian figures fall because of sexual impropriety.
Having been an investigator of very senior officials myself, I've seen people fall a
long way.
I'm not surprised in Washington.
Just think about the average Capitol Hill office.
Who do they hire?
They hire young people, at least half are female, and they will hire someone that's attractive
because that's good for their office and their image.
You have a lot of young, attractive females on Capitol Hill.
Inevitably, there will be compromised by some of these older men attracted to these younger
women.
That's just the nature of what has happened over decades and decades, certainly, that
I've seen because of the lust of man.
You have that.
I saw it among general officers that I used to investigate.
I see it in the various senior officials in administration.
These are lonely positions.
These are tough positions.
Think about Eisenhower and his driver during World War II in England, alleged relationships
and so forth.
We unfortunately allow those sorts of things to happen.
You have that compromise.
I think when you're talking about politicians that are just terribly focused on their reelection,
as many of them are, there aren't that many statesmen out there that have their own bank.
They can bankroll their own elections.
They have to figure out how they can get money to fuel their election campaign.
They often give in to lobbyists.
They give in to those that are in their own area that have agendas that they don't necessarily
agree to in principle.
The money's there.
Maybe a teacher's union that they really came to Washington to provide education diversity,
and yet they ended up taking money from the unions.
You have so many temptations there.
That's why I think a lot of people like to see term limits, so that these people understand
that you're there to serve your constituents and not to serve your reelection hopes.
Considering the term draining the swamp, I see the swamp as a couple of different things.
Usually it's portrayed as the corruption and greed and all that stuff in politics.
It certainly is that, but there's also this level of just evil witchcraft, occultism,
and things that aren't as mainstream as some of the more obvious things.
How successful do you think Trump will be in shaking that up over the next four, possibly
even eight years?
Well, Josh, they have to first be attuned to that threat.
Unless you have people that are attuned to the reality of the unseen realm, I don't really
think that they're going to be terribly successful.
Mr. Trump was elected to guard the borders, to stop the illegal immigration, to create
jobs, to certainly provide something other than the failed Obamacare.
These are issues of grave importance to the American people, but I think it's Christians.
We're concerned about the spiritual welfare of our country and where we're going.
Unless you have people that are sensitized to the unseen realm, the spiritual enticements,
the spiritual warfare that's all about us, then they're not going to be able to do anything.
If you put people that are sensitive to that, then they're going to make policies that serve
the people in terms of not favoring the dark spiritual world that we are around.
I think of abortion.
That's a tough issue, but you have to define.
You have to say, I'm pro-life.
I'm going to only put in judges that are pro-life.
I'm not going to have policies that promote anything but a pro-life policy.
That's a spiritual issue as far as I'm concerned and other issues as well.
You have to draw the line.
Obviously, a politician in many cases is going to walk the line because it's politically
dangerous to do that.
We have a dark environment.
I would say there's a very black cloud around Washington, but it's been building for many,
many decades because of the nature of the business there and the nature of the power
that emanates from Washington.
The question then is how do we drive those dark clouds away and how do these dark clouds
manifest in the policies coming out of Washington, D.C.?
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Our guest is Lieutenant Colonel Bob McGinnis, the author of Future War.
He's a Washington insider, if we can use that term, who's observed the workings of power
inside the halls of power in D.C. for many, many decades, many, many years.
Bob, you used the phrase dark cloud over Washington that's been building and building.
I guess the question for us as Christians out here in flyover land, how do we dispel
those clouds?
Well, first of all, how do those clouds manifest in policies from the federal government?
And then secondly, how do we as Christians help?
What can we do to help dispel those clouds?
Well, as I said, I think moments ago, you know, policy is people.
The people that you send to Washington are going to vote on policies.
They're going to follow through on policies.
They're going to enforce policies and the like.
So if you send good people, good God-fearing people to Washington to be judges, congressmen,
senators, and presidents, then you're going to benefit spiritually, I think, from that
byproduct.
Now, unfortunately, think about the politicians and the judges that each of us and the states
where we live across this country have sent to Washington.
Are they the most outstanding, you know, God-fearing person that we know?
I would guess that the answer is probably no most of the time.
They've struggled their way politically.
They've compromised along the pathway.
So when they get to Washington, they're not going to be any different.
They're just going to be more sophisticated about hiding perhaps what they've done or
what they intend to do because compromises what Washington is about.
And it's compromised in a way that is not serving the God's overall purpose.
So you know, if you want to do something, certainly you want to vote.
You want to vote for Godly people.
You want to pray for the people that we do send.
And then, of course, you want to give encouragement to them by communicating with them the issues
that you support and why you support them.
I think also we need to have media exposing where there are issues that need to be supported
or not supported, and then we need non-government and organizations and think tanks that support
a Godly principled policy in Washington.
These are all things that need to happen.
I think if they were, we'd have a very different government today.
Well, that brings up an interesting question, too, and I absolutely agree with you, by the
way.
But how difficult is it for a genuine Christian to work in high levels of government in the
current political landscape?
And do you see that landscape changing at all under a Trump presidency?
Well, I'm assuming that we're all human.
We all have vulnerabilities.
We're all subject to temptation.
So how do you, as a Christian, focus on the Lord's will in the context of a senior position?
I would say, I know some people in there, I think of Betsy DeVos, Betsy's maiden name
was Prince, her folks I knew when I was at the Family Research Council as the vice president.
They were major financial backers of the Family Research Council, and Betsy and her brother
Eric were volunteers of the staff.
So they have good backgrounds.
Anybody that comes even from a godly Christian family goes into Washington.
I've seen, and this doesn't apply to Betsy's case, but I've seen that they've compromised
their principles.
They've gone into the swamp and they've gotten very muddy because it's very tough to keep
your eyes focused on the Lord in that context.
And so we need people, there's no question in high government positions, that are principle
godly people.
But often the case has been that they go into that environment and they really get sucked
into the vortex of evil and compromise away what would normally be a very clear voice
that would speak out against that evil and declare God's truth.
But we don't see that nearly as much, and it is the nature of the environment.
That's why I go back and say people are policy.
If you want good people in Washington, you have to sustain them, encourage them, pray
for them, and then perhaps in fellowshiping and working with others and staying true to
the Lord, they'll get the things that ought to be done, accomplished.
One of the things that I've found interesting over more than a decade of doing interviews
in this of topics like this is hearing from a former occultist who became a Bible-believing
Christian saved, born again through the blood of Jesus Christ, that occultists will have
a better understanding of the nature of the spirit realm than American Christians do.
They understand that it's a spiritual war and that there are literal evil intelligences
that we can't see with our natural eyes that are at work behind the scenes.
The way he put it was really fascinating to me.
He said that Christians are practicing a very weak form of magic.
Now that's how occultists see it.
That's not how he saw it any longer.
That's how occultists viewed it because they consider our prayers to be a form of a magical
working or a conjuring or some such thing, a spell.
But we don't even recognize what it is we're doing.
Now I thought that was an interesting characterization because it gives some insight into what the
enemy and its human agents believe.
We as Christians in America don't even seem to recognize that we're engaging in this kind
of a spiritual fight.
Now from where you sit basically behind enemy lines, even more so than the rest of us, how
true is that assessment that Christians are wandering about like soldiers, blindfolded
soldiers on the battlefield?
Certainly I can recall this was 40 something years ago when I was first approached by some
witches here in Washington because my mother used to be the personal assistant to Jean
Dixon and her associates were witches and the like.
I was a Christian.
I didn't know about this sort of thing.
They interestingly said, we're surprised you'll leave and talk to us.
I didn't understand what they really meant.
But of course subsequently, as I saw much more, I came to realize that like I say the
unseen realm, there are things that we just don't understand and don't see.
And yet those in the occultic world do, they're focused.
That's their primary focus.
It's a shame that Christians aren't focused on the spirit of God that's within them, that
calls them to be very clear voices for truth and for Christ in the world today.
And yet in Washington, we have a lot of darkness.
A lot of darkness because as I said earlier, people are policy.
And so you have people that are focused on things that are wrong, evil things, I suppose
much like Sodom and Gomorrah.
And that's what ends up giving us the likes of lifting the homosexual ban in the military
or the promotion of transgenders, certainly the forcing young women in direct, direct
ground combat, which I wrote a book about, or forcing abortion or the likes of so many
other issues.
We have Christians that are totally naked when it comes to understanding the spiritual
war that's about them.
So when you go into Washington, and I think certainly for a Christian that's attuned to
the spiritual reality of what this world is about, they go in there with great trepidation.
Who wants to be on the front line of a battle where evil is pervasive and understand that
every single thing that you say or every act that you do is going to be scrutinized and
manipulated to embarrass your savior, embarrass you, and then hurt your family?
These people have no mercy, absolutely none.
And that's the nature of the spiritual war that we fight.
So when we want good Christian people in Washington, but I think most of them have counted the
cost and they said, I don't want to go into that environment.
But the few that do have to be totally on their guard.
Now thinking about this in terms of a spiritual war that it is, a cultist, which is people
like that, they see it that way.
How much influence do they actually have over government policies?
And if Christians could actually get to the point in politics where they look at it as
a spiritual war as well, how much more influence could Christians have?
Well, Josh, I can think of some people that were put into positions where they were influential
over policies.
They went into those positions already having been captive by the dark forces.
And so their focus was on accomplishing what mission they were given, not only by the administration
to put them in those positions, but by the forces that influence them.
And so inevitably, they'll be persistent.
One comes to mind, it was someone that was appointed by the Obama administration in the
Pentagon, that the only thing that this person who was very high, very senior, was focused
on was the promotion of a transgender agenda by the Pentagon.
I mean, every staff meeting, and I get this from a very, very close source, every staff
meeting, this was the only thing that this person was focused on.
It had nothing to do with that particular military service.
It had everything to do with the bankrupt, evil agenda of that person and the administration.
And so if you see that in other parts of the US government where you have appointees with
power that were granted to them by the president to push a particular agenda, they'll do that
and they'll do it in terrible ways that will hurt the country.
And that's the nature of what often happens because people are policy.
And people are being influenced as the apostle Paul wrote to the church at Ephesus by the
principalities, powers, and rumors of spiritual darkness behind the scenes.
Our mission is not against human agents.
That's right.
That's why he says we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
Humans are more prisoners of war, if anything else.
A war that a lot of them don't even realize they're in.
Exactly right.
And in fact, I address the transgender issue in my most recent book dealing with the ancient
God in Nana, the Sumerian goddess that we know as Aphrodite or Venus, who was promoting
a transgender agenda in 2500 B.C.
So it's not progressive.
It's regressive.
The old gods are real and they're still influencing policy even in Washington, D.C. today.
Colonel McGinnis, it's a fascinating insight and we appreciate your willingness to serve
behind enemy lines in that regard because as you say, the enemy is ruthless.
You have family members and certainly the enemy is not beyond influencing or trying
to threaten those we love and the things we love in order to accomplish their goals.
So we appreciate your courage and your candor.
Lieutenant Colonel Bob McGinnis, the author of Future War, Super Soldiers, Terminators,
Cyberspace, and the National Security Strategy for 21st Century Combat.
We thank you for joining us today.
Well, thanks for having me.
And for Josh Peck, I'm Derek Gilbert.
We thank you for watching as we keep watch.
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