So, you know, I'm 16 and a couple of years old.
That breaks my heart.
That'd be the fourth generation.
The three generations I knew were all that.
That would be the fourth generation.
But every generation in Guatemala
has been a high enough rising, because nothing ever changes.
They had a reformist government in 1954.
It was overthrown by the CIA and by the military.
And that's when the 35-year war started.
I'm a physician, and I belong to physicians
for social responsibility now for decades.
And I do believe most physicians in the United States
are basically decent people.
But in the interest of speaking the truth,
and also to elaborate on the systematization of torture,
in my literature, which I get from physicians,
American physicians cooperating and helping
supervise torture, which, of course,
sickens me, haven't taken the hypocritical.
But I think it's important that we add that little kernel
into what we're discussing to show how systematic it actually
has become.
That has been why it's also intriguing of torture
techniques, where reports, for example,
out of Uruguay when Don Mitriom was teaching
electrical shock treatment, would come in and explain
how much human body could take and how to monitor
and stuff like that.
What's happening in this country?
It's happening.
Excited Don Mitriom, who was the one teaching that down there,
and he was with the United States Office of Public Safety,
which then became CIA Grinch.
So exactly.
Several torture survivors went through that down
there and had more Americans in their cells.
Also, there was research that I find very disturbing on how
to make the equivalent of a shotgun, but one shotgun,
but one that would not just stun the victim,
but it would just, apparently, this horrendous level of pain
all would not permanently injure them.
And I'd like to know when that would be really necessary.
But there is medical research to be done on that now.
Sharon, freedom of thought, this is now
hands-to-world ones immediate withdrawal.
The question I wanted to ask was, when
did torture become a standard policy to codify it by America
as to people that they're dealing with?
When did torture, what?
Become codified and becoming a staff of Chicago's
or accepted by the practice?
It's never caught.
It was just a few bad apples, a few rogue operators.
They've been talking to my case in the statement.
It was those CIA guys, so we fired them,
and it was a few bad apples and rogue operators,
and it had nothing to do with their government.
And we're putting it all under investigation,
and it'll never happen again.
Then DMRT did everything, and it was like,
well, we'll get back to that later, we're investigating.
What have we learned about Abu Ghraib?
It was a few kids, a few rogue operators, bad apples.
They're in jail now, we're investigating.
These things take time.
You just make the puzzles out, and we call the practice
continued because the people at the top order again
have no consequences.
How far back does it go?
I can say for sure these techniques have been carried out
since the CIA was established, or have been slowly developed
since the CIA was established.
So we're talking 50 years at least.
Before that, I don't know.
But I can say certainly that hanging people
at these excruciatingly painful positions,
the use of the docks, the water, the sexual humiliation,
that's all stuff that was worked out.
How many of you have seen the Venturee in Canada?
How many of you have heard of the enculture program?
We started trying out for size in the Philippines.
Yeah.
What's your concern about the violence in our society
and where that is taking us, and where it's taking young people?
We have a suit that has to do with this.
And it's the way people are treated in prison.
I mean, our whole standards of what's acceptable behavior
is disintegrating.
And that is a societal problem that we're going to have to deal with.
We're going to have to deal with it.
But right now, we actually have widespread torture,
which is supposedly unthinkable for our government
to be sharing out.
But that's going to stop there.
I mean, it's not.
It's going to continue here.
But fear that, how do we know that this torturing is
going to stop just in other countries,
but it's not just it's coming here.
It's eroding.
We don't know that, but we do know
that the fear that has been created by our government,
I mean, I think there's, you know,
I mentioned to a couple of friends of mine
that I feel that there's a prison that we all
live in the United States because of the fear tactics that
have been pushed upon us.
And the government wants us to be afraid of one another.
So what are we going to do?
Are we going to not look at one another
as part of one community, family,
or are we going to lash back at one another,
whether immigrants or born Americans?
And this is a concern that I feel.
We see it happening with a police force
and in other situations that we haven't heard about.
But I think that this is a very,
we're not immune to this.
This is touching our country too.
No, in fact, it's happened here already.
Maybe it was in the 70s, you know,
ask anyone, any Native American that was living on
the language after the move did the application.
Maybe as we ought to, Leonard Peltzer,
who I represented for years still in prison.
You know, we have a number of other cases,
certainly if you talk to people who are in the Black Panther
movement, you know, they can tell you quite a few things.
Dr. Martin Luther King ended up dead during the Plaintel
program.
Philadelphia, where a move had an overhouse,
and what was the sixth group law for firebombed in?
If you talk to Ramona Africa, she has enormous scars
and burn from birds all over her arms.
And I think the child was killed in that farbombing attack.
We didn't do it.
It's happened here, we're living on another case.
But since it doesn't get mainstream by America,
it hasn't picked up the attention that it should.
But what I would like to do is this trial.
We're going to have one wall of art and photographs.
I can ride with the dogs, sell the door with the dogs
in the sketches, same sketches of dogs, et cetera,
from Brazil.
The last one, the marches to Selma,
the freedom marches and stuff, with dogs
and big names on the demonstrators.
Remember this week?
Washington, DC.
You know what I mean?
That's a start of the year.
Yeah, at our trial, I'm sorry.
Yes, it has always happened here.
We plan to have people that were involved in the civil rights
movement to always be part of our panels and stuff
and also strike that point home.
Thank you.
Do you think you can address the entire attention
of the United States in the least?
And can you disconnect them to the point
that you would say, well, you know,
if they would just stop torturing,
we won't say anything more about your wars?
No.
No.
No.
