So, the work here tonight is from a series called Carry Me Ohio and started in 2006 when
I was a sophomore at Ohio University.
This is the first time that I was ever really wandering into a community that was not my
own and asking people to trust me and let me into their lives.
So as a student, which I know some of you are, it's kind of daunting going out and meeting
new people and trying to explain yourself and justify your presence and that for me
was what this project was all about in the beginning.
I just would try and go meet people and I had a deadline and I had an excuse to be there
because I was a student but other than that I didn't really know why I was there or why
I was interested in these people.
So Southeastern Ohio is a really beautiful but broken landscape and it's a place that
was home to extractive industries for a number of decades but by the time that I got to school
in the early 2000s all of these industries had basically stripped the region and left
decades before.
So the kids that were growing up there then had never seen any of the prosperity that
came with coal but they knew of the aftermath basically.
And so these are some families that I spent time with throughout the Southeastern Ohio
region.
I started just trying to get into people's lives.
I was interested in how they went about surviving which is a real task for a lot of folks there.
And over time one person would introduce me to another person who would introduce me to
another person and trust was slow to form that it happened over time.
And I just kept going back and spending days, weeks with people and sometimes as the works
progressed I would leave for months or years at a time and then come back and try and catch
up with people and see how life had changed for them.
So most of this work is from 2006 through 2008 and then I did a little bit more in 2009
and 10 and then in 2012 and since then I haven't been back to continue the project.
I'll take you to some of the other projects that I've been working on but this is definitely
the foundation for me.
So the guy in the middle right there lighting the bowl early in the morning, that's Jesse
Sellers.
He's the father of the two girls in the window there when you guys come in and they were
the first family that ever truly accepted me and I never really understood why but I
just kept going back.
I met Jesse at a car wash.
He was trying to hose down his kids' dirt bikes and I struck up a conversation with them
and he said, well why don't you hop in the back of the truck, I'll take you home.
I said, all right, I guess so and he introduced me to his wife and his kids and I said, you
guys are really cool.
Do you think I can come back and he's like, yeah, why not?
So I'm sure they wish they hadn't said that after a while because I kept showing up again
and again but they're a family that's really close to me.
His daughters were the flower girls in my wedding a couple years later and I've tried
to keep in touch with them over the years but a lot's changed for them and this is after
they moved out of Chancy, Ohio where I met them, they moved up to Columbus so they could
enroll their twins in a deaf school because both of the girls were born deaf.
This was a kid that they introduced me to, he lived out in the woods in Carbondale and
somebody that I wouldn't have met if I didn't say yes when Jesse asked me for something
kind of silly like Jesse had a few DUIs and he couldn't drive himself anywhere but he
wanted to go get a new tattoo and I was like, I don't know if I've got time for that really.
Like to take you to go get a tattoo he's like, no, don't worry about it man, it's cool.
So he took me to this cabin out in the woods for a prison style tattoo and I met this whole
different family out there and started spending time with them and it just snowballed from
there.
This is Elvis the Zebra, it's at a place called the Wilds in Cumberland, Ohio, it's a research
and conservation facility that's located on a 10,000 acre reclaimed strip mine.
So this is a landscape that was stripped clean of its resources but now they're trying to
find new uses for it but it's basically just rolling hills with very little actual use
for the land these days.
So this is that kid Tyler that was by the wood stove, this one's called Tyler Holding
His Dad's Ashes.
As I got to know him a little bit I heard some more of his story, he was 16 and his
dad had died the year before in a four-wheeling accident and so they had his body cremated
and put in this box with his favorite cockfighting rooster stuffed and mounted on top.
And I was coming through a photojournalism program so we were encouraged to do documentary
work and kind of being pushed towards the newspaper world which I felt wasn't really
where I was going to go and I was trying to experiment with ways that I could collaborate
with people early on to make portraits that were a little more complex than what I could
communicate on the surface and so I talked with him about his story and about how we
could convey it and asked him to hold the box and sit there and most of the photographs
he's fairly aware of me but this one frame was when it sort of clicked with him that
he was holding his dad in a box.
This one's coming back from a church service out in a little town called Mineral and each
year as things start to warm up there the snows melt and all of the lowline cities flood.
So I really wasn't interested in making a photograph I was more interested in seeing
if I could get through that which I did.
These are some of the Goans family members and that's one of the other family units
that I really spent a lot of time with and they had a lot more conflict in their little
family unit than the Sellers family did and they've kind of scattered a little more than
they did as well so I've been trying to keep up with them that they're a little more hard
to track down.
This is back in Carbondale in the cabin in the woods this is the guy that was doing the
tattoos his name is Clayton and he was an ex-con that learned how to shoot ink in prison
and for those of you that don't know prison style tattoos it's like you take the spring
out of a pen you straighten it out and they wire it into the foot pedal from a sewing
machine and then they'll like pour a little bit of ink into a beer cap and whereas a commercial
tattoo gun's got multiple needles this is just one needle and so it takes three times
as long for them to do work and it's incredibly painful and not very sterile but it was fun
watching him work and he did most of his own tattoos and this is an old farmer out in
the hills he was getting to an age where he couldn't really manage the farm anymore
but that's all that he knew and all that he wanted to do that he didn't have anybody
to leave it to and this is his barn full of white cats.
So I went from one town to the next trying to find families that would let me in and
places that I was interested in and a lot of it was just wandering up and down the streets
until I found somebody that would talk to me.
This was in between some buildings in Gloucester and these kids were kind of horsing around
and wrestling and fighting or play fighting right up until this kid grabbed a wrench but
the culture there was fascinating to me coming from Virginia came from a pretty rural place
but just seeing how these guys displayed their masculinity it was often through forms of violence
and aggression that they kind of asserted themselves but it was different for me to
soak that in and to see how they raised their kids and how that kind of perpetuates some
of the cycles that they're going through.
So this is up in Columbus back at the Sellers family home this was a night that I stayed
with them.
I'd come back in from Virginia for a short visit and I was sleeping in their kids room
actually while they were sleeping on the couch.
Gaining trust in these rural communities is really difficult especially as an outsider
they assume that if you're not from there you're probably a cop.
So you know I would kind of wander down these streets if nothing was going on I would go
into the bar and I would sit there and just drink until somebody started talking to me
and one day I stepped out of the bar and this truck pulled up outside and these kids go
hey man hop in where are we going so they told me to get in the car and we started rolling
around I'd seen them before but I didn't know who they were and they made a stop picked
up a joint started burning it and passing it around the car handed it back to me like
puff puff pass and then they looped around the town dropped me off in front of the bar
and I said alright we'll see you later and that was it like they just wanted to like
make sure that I wasn't a cop and two weeks later I'm wandering around and I meet some
new woman and I'm saying like hi Matt this is what I'm doing she's like oh don't worry
about it honey I know who you are my cousin or somebody picked you up last week so like
they passed the word around town like if the person passes the test I guess.
This is in the the Goans family home this kid's name is Timmy he's got cerebral palsy
and some mental handicaps but he was living on the couch when I met them because they
didn't have a bedroom for him and so he would sleep there during most of the days and then
sometimes the kids would come in and like start causing a ruckus and he would go into
a seizure it was really you know difficult to see how he was living but the family still
cared for him very much and they wanted to be close to him but they didn't really have
the resources they needed to to provide for him this is one of the twins they were sleeping
on the floor in front of the TV which they can't hear but they just like the the comfort
of the light this is back out in Carbondale that's Tyler on the right and Clayton the
guy that does the tattoos on the left so Clayton was kind of a stepdad figure to this kid Tyler
at the at that time and it was interesting to see Tyler trying to figure out who he was
because he didn't have a dad anymore he was living in the middle of nowhere with this
crazy ex-con who was doing tattoos and trying to figure out how to be a man without that
sort of father figure in his life and he's somebody that I've really wanted to follow
through the years but he disappeared not long after that this is one of the few remaining
strip mines in Athens County this is in Vinton these massive trucks like I barely come halfway
up on the tires this is in a trailer kind of after work and that guy on the right is
Johnny he's the guy that had to cut here a tattoo kind of early on so he'd just gotten
out of prison recently and was working mostly doing like limb removal and cutting trees
and things there's very few opportunities for people there this is after a prom and
I was photographing it for a class and really bored with the pictures that I made inside
and kind of walking out dejected and saw this girl standing under a light from like 300
yards away and I started running like an idiot snapping as I went this one's called plywood
Jesus he's out in front of a church in shade Ohio and this is one of the the twins on a
skid mark that her dad left kind of outside of their house so this work was the start
for me the Ohio stuff was and after graduating there in 2008 moved back to Virginia where
I came from in 2009 and I didn't really know what I was going to do I was kind of lost
and I didn't have a place to really latch on to so always kind of compulsively photographing
so I was gathering photographs without realizing it but it took me a couple years of being back
in Virginia before I was like oh I'm trying to understand this place because this is home
for me and I'm raising my own kids here but it's a complicated area that I don't understand
so this work goes back to 2005 and then the last two years I've been putting a lot of
grunt work into it and opened it as an exhibition late last year and some of this works in there
and some of this is new since the show's been up but this is going to be ongoing until I
leave so Hampton Roads aka the seven cities is along the coast of Virginia it's nine
cities in two counties that kind of run up to North Carolina but it's Norfolk Virginia
Beach all of those places so it's an area that's divided by water connected to the
water in a really inextricable kind of way and then the military is a huge influence
there and makes up a vast majority of our economy so I've been trying to understand
the ways that that all interacts the geography the economy the way that that influences the
politics and the religion there it's a very conservative place this is a fire hose baptism
in Newport News so they literally pack a street full of people dressed in white and then they
turn on a fire hose and just it's like a photographer's dream come true this is a oyster roast
on Chukatuk and so I just tried to keep my ears to the ground about anything going on
in the community and the public gatherings places that people would meet or hang out
or drink you know and then a lot of the times would be just wandering around with my family
so like we're out trick-or-treating my kids are behind me somewhere and I've got a camera
around my neck and I'm trying to make pictures that relate to the project when I can.
This was a portrait for the Washington Post that also kind of tied back into the project
this girl has Down syndrome but she'd recently won a court case to get her independence from
her parents so that she could live on her own and work this is the ice cream man at
Dumars and this was something that I pitched kind of related to the project there was a
winded warrior sports camp at the Navy base nearby so USPN sent me there for a couple
days this guy was injured in a motorcycle accident but learning adaptive sports this
was from the inactivation ceremony for the world's first nuclear aircraft carrier which
was built in Newport News did 25 tours of duty over the course of 50 years and then
came back to be decommissioned and disassembled where it was made yeah this is out on the
river where my family spent a lot of time so the military community is kind of a world
under itself around us we see them all the time we see the uniforms we see the planes
we see the boats that we rarely kind of get into that community and one of my friends
who's also a photographer was dating a Navy guy and so we worked out this exchange basically
she said I want to treat you the way that I would want to be treated as a photographer
so we're getting ready for this event I'm gonna leave the door unlocked we're gonna
be taking a nap let yourself in photograph whatever you want we'll wake up we're gonna
get dressed photograph that whole process make a portrait before we leave and then we're
gonna go and so I just let myself in did exactly that and then this was as they were
leaving and this picture was from September 2012 and he went on his second tour of duty
right after that and came back completely changed so this photograph ended up being
kind of indicative of how the relationship was gonna go and the flip side of our little
trade-off Amanda there on the right she got to come over and photograph my family one
morning we did the same thing like plan today left the door unlocked for her she let herself
in we're all still in bed in the morning and just let her photograph and that way we could
both get a sense of what it's like to be in the subject shoes so it feels awkward honestly
really you know if somebody's like kind of creeping over your bed while you're waking
up in the morning but I trust her and I knew that she was gonna do a good job so just being
able to step outside of myself a little bit and think about how a subject feels when they're
being photographed was really valuable to me this was a Christmas parade that's my wife
and oldest daughter right there in the middle and I've got the baby strapped to my chest
this is a frame from a kind of sub-series that I did this was a projection in the larger
exhibition and they're all called drive-by photographs so in this age of you know Google
maps and everything we're pretty attuned to life outside being public domain but I started
kind of compulsively photographing everything that I drove past I would drive around with
the camera in my lap just waiting for interesting characters and sometimes the curator for the
museum would take me driving around so I could safely do this instead of shooting and driving
and so this was one of the times she was driving and we were in this rough neighborhood called
ocean view it's full of cool characters and this guy started walking down the street and
I was like whip it around whip it around like it took off running after him down the street
thinking I hope he's not strapped I don't know he's like carrying a snake I had to talk
to him and he was the nicest guy said his friends call him spider-man and this is just
like a fair the women's who called the Chesapeake Jubilee so it was just like I said looking
for places that people came together and I tried to go and photograph kind of like a
street photographer I would just blend in as best I could and move quickly from place to
place kind of working quietly these were kids playing basketball outside of a rap competition
that I photographed so I went there for something else and just tried to keep my ears open and
saw these kids outside and this photograph was better than what I went there to get anyhow
this is a suicide prevention walk at Mount Trashmore no longer that I do this and the
more I tell people about it my friends would start feeding me ideas so this was something
that I wasn't even aware of but one of my friends who's a staffer at the pilot was
like I gotta go shoot this for an assignment you want to come and tag along and so we just
linked up and went out there and he made his work and I made my work and it was fun so
this may be a little mixed up this is new work but it's actually the old work so as
long as you guys can accept that I'm gonna start showing you Baptist home so in April
of 2010 I was sent to Greenwood Mississippi which is up in the Mississippi Delta and that
was for a piece about rural health care and I try and be pretty attuned to the people
that I meet in the communities that I go into and how they gauge what I'm doing but this
place was unusually open I wasn't there for half an hour and people were coming out of
their homes and saying hey I want to tell you my story like come to my house like come
into my living room come into my kitchen and that kind of like intimacy and openness is
really rare to just walk into and so I went back home with all the stuff that I needed
for the assignment and I called the editor and I said listen man there's something more
to this place and I think we need to spend more time there and so he sent me back for
five days which is for me unheard of like I rarely get that kind of time or access and
so I spent that time bringing prints back and giving them to the people that I'd photographed
and they started showing the prints to their friends and suddenly I was the neighborhood
photo guy like hey photo guy take my picture hey photo guy take my picture so every couple
months I would go back and for a while it was out of pocket and they were really short
trips because it was all I could afford and then you know six months later I was able
to roll that into some grants and then kept going back but this has been four years or
so where I've made about 14 trips now and they average a week to two weeks and so we
just came back from a week in Mississippi and I'm going to show you this older work
and then I'll give you guys a little teaser of the new stuff as well.
So this is out on the corner in the hood a lot of the kids in the neighborhood of what
they call corner boys so they just stand out there and sling dope from whenever they get
up usually midday until whenever they go to bed usually three or four a.m.
This is where people go to buy drugs in the neighborhood or like in the community and
the only time that I see white people over there is when they're doing something that
they say is giving back to the community or when they're there to buy drugs but otherwise
like the cops rarely go there and they're kind of just left to their own devices the
mentality in the town is typically like y'all stay over there and keep your troubles and
we'll stay over here and deal with our stuff but Baptist town is a fascinating microcosm
for me because it's cut off on a number of levels North Greenwood is the more affluent
side of town and it's separated from South Greenwood by a river and several bridges
and then when you get to Baptist town you've got to cross the train tracks to get in and
it's literally surrounded on all sides by train tracks so we talk about cliches and
symbolism this town is like a living and cliche of segregation and it's really blatant it
kind of slapped me across the face the first time I went there because the north side of
town is postcard perfect it looks beautiful like we would all want to live there and then
once you roll over here it looks like you step back into the 1960s so for the first
couple years I was just photographing in Baptist town and then I realized that I was missing
the big picture which is how does this small piece of the community interact with the larger
community and so I started balancing around town and it gets to be really difficult going
from a living room where everybody's sitting there smoking blunts to a meeting with the
mayor and a bunch of Harvard students that are there to try and research the hood and
stuff it's a very strange place but the more time I spent within the more I could like
I knew where I could go and I knew who would trust me and this is one of my favorite porches
to sit on if I ever feel hot or beat down or like I keep getting turned away I'll just
go and I'll sit on Ellen's porch and after a little while everything's better.
This is on the north side of town in a place they call Cocktail Cove it's mostly retirees
that like to get together for early afternoon drinks.
So this is the Greenwood airport and lined up there are about two dozen Katrina cottages
these were homes that were donated to the town that were supposed to be brought into
Baptist town but it's an old school shotgun style shack that's like straight through the
front door to the back and that was two and a half years ago that I photographed them
on the runway and they've been sitting there ever since because there's been all kinds
of political plays and red tape that have prevented them from actually bringing them
into the neighborhood and so that's one of the things that I've been interested in is
the promises that are made to this community and how few of them are actually kept and
that's what's kept me going back is trying to see is anything ever going to happen to
this community because everybody promises a lot and very little actually comes through.
This is a rotary club meeting this is a little one room bar in Baptist called a desis club
it's hard in the hood finding things that are uplifting or fun sometimes there's a lot
of depression and darkness but whenever these little joyful moments come out they feel like
a ray of sunshine so I'm always trying to be attuned to that but they seem few and
far between.
This is at the country club with some of the more affluent white kids.
This is Winky and I'll talk a bit about him he's the guy that makes it so that I can basically
work in that neighborhood the first time I went there he was hanging out on the corner
with some of the boys and they were selling drugs and I was photographing them and I had
no idea until like 10 minutes in actually what was going on and they just didn't give
a shit like they really run the neighborhood most of them are strapped and they don't
worry about cops because they've got radios so they know where the cops are before the
cops get there so it was really fascinating for me to kind of step into this world that
I was totally blind to and then once he was on my side and he felt like I was okay I could
go wherever I wanted but it's not a safe place to be after dark unless you know where you're
going so at one time I was there wandering around by myself and there was these kids
that came up to me and they wanted to be photographed which isn't unusual so I started making pictures
and then felt something kind of like hitting me turning around trying to figure out what
was going on and then I realized there were kids that were throwing rocks at me because
some mother had seen me photographing the kids and she didn't know who I was she was
like what the fuck is this white boy doing in the hood like he needs to get him out
so throw rocks at him and after a couple of minutes I was like alright I think I'll go
now and I went back around to Ellen's porch where I felt safe and then five minutes later
Winky rolls up in his car and he's like yo Matt I heard what happened it's cool I talked
to her she'll be cool the next time she sees you alright ma'am I appreciate it good looking
at her it's a little bit of backstory about Winky he is I think he's about 30 now and
he was 27 28 when I started photographing him that he got locked up at the age of 14
for possession of crack cocaine and two handguns and he was locked up for seven and a half years
so if you think about going into prison when you're 14 and coming out when you're 21 22
that's a pretty formative time and he was schooled in one thing one thing only and that's
how to like make it on the street and so any job opportunities that would exist for a normal
person that's been through high school like doesn't exist for him and he's got five kids
with two women three of them within the last year so he's like he's staying busy which
one is he this one right here on the right pointing the gun at me but there's something
really charismatic and special about him that drew me to him to begin with and over time
I started realizing like he may not have ever had a father figure but he's trying his damned
hardest to be a good dad so this is his oldest daughter Cameriana who's right about the same
age as my little girl so I felt like we shared that connection at first and I've really loved
watching how tender he is with him like he's ripping and running all the time like I'm
sure he'd shoot you in the head without thinking twice if you like crossed him the wrong way
but like around his kids he's just a totally different person and that's been really interesting
to watch and this is him tinting windows of cars that's one of the few things that he
can do that's kind of easy money for him people just roll up into the empty lot in Baptist
town and he'll have his supplies and he washes their windows and tints them and gets them
ready so they can go out and burn jays in the car late at night and not get caught and that's
him out on the corner late one night so this is supposed to be new work that I'm gonna
let you guys into stuff that I haven't showed anybody else yet so we just spent a week in
Mississippi and part of it was funded by a Getty Images Grant for editorial photography
which allowed me to make it down there when I really didn't have any funding to go and
because of that I was able to tag team with NBC.com they're gonna license some of the existing
work and they wanted me to make new work to kind of support this project that they're
doing about poverty in America and so we discussed what existed and what didn't in the project
and we talked about some of the holes that I had that I was looking to fill in and so
this trip I basically tried to just look at things that I'd never seen before and I had
a blast it was a lot of fun this was our waitress at lunch one day I couldn't stop
staring at her tattoos I was like please come outside I have to photograph you we got
up early one morning to go drive and make some pictures before dawn and there were thousands
of blackbirds in the air so it's just about kind of being out and aware of things but
this trip was full of mystery and lots of serendipity.
This is Winky's youngest his name's Messiah I asked Winky why he named him that he said
it's because he's going to be a king this is an old guy on the edge of the hood named
Archie I was actually trying to leave to like go meet up with somebody or have dinner and
he started honking his horn at me until I came over there to talk to him and that's
how people are there they see somebody that they don't recognize that they want to engage
with you and I love that about this place it's really hard to get anywhere because you always
get caught up in conversations but you always meet somebody new or you always learn something
about the community.
This was a baptism on Super Bowl Sunday so one of the things I did this trip was spend
time with the Reverend Calvin Collins there he's somebody that everybody in the community
looks up to no matter what side of the tracks you come from.
One day we left lunch and smelled some smoke and so we just decided to chase it which is
not something I usually do and I'd been looking for some less affluent white people to kind
of counteract this image of the white people as always being rich and kind of holding the
black man down and when we followed the smoke we stumbled into this little trailer and met
the super awesome family you know and they saw the camera they were like hey man what
you working on talk to them for a couple minutes and they're like come on over to the house
let's sit down and talk and so five minutes later we're sitting in their living room.
This is over in North Greenwood one of the city council women had us over for dinner
and these are her kids and that's her pug Ruby and then this is Reverend Collins house
on Super Bowl Sunday so he is something new to the project for me because he's successful
black man and he's somebody who has a job and is respected in the community and you
know his home looks like a normal middle-class home and you don't see that in Baptist Town
so it was something that I had to actively seek out to try and find but I really enjoyed
the time that I spent with him.
This is at a soccer game at the mostly white private school.
We heard this trip it's $14,000 a year per student just send your kid there so you can
think about how few black kids get to go to that school and those that do are usually
there on athletic scholarships leaving church on Super Bowl Sunday.
The rest stop there are Luskos below the Coca-Cola sign apparently they did not serve black people
until the 90s and this is with the Reverend as he's visiting some of the older parishioners
like he would go to see these little old ladies they called them the church mothers that were
too kind of old or sick to make it to church.
It was like my daily dose of cuteness and this is the Super Bowl party north of the
River.
They were all rooting for the Broncos so they weren't paying much attention and this
is in the hood.
This is Ellen she's one of my all-time favorite people so I brought my assistant Sam with
me this time and Sam got to meet Ellen so she knows that she's like a little rough on
the surface and she throws a lot of shit at you but she's a real sweetheart underneath
it you just got to kind of like get below the surface so Sam's holding a lamp up so
I can make a like fashion portrait for Elle because she wants to be photographed whenever
I come down there but only on her terms which she'll say Matt ain't got my hair done right
you got to come back on Friday I'll get my hair done and so we came back on Friday when
she had her hair done.
This is Winky's son Roger Jr. right after he got a fade and this is Deborah Bryant the
first lady of Mississippi she came to read a book to some school children.
Ramen dinner with Winky and Messiah and so whenever Winky's not there with the kids he's
usually just running around town and sometimes he'll roll up to my hotel or wherever I'm
at and he'll just say get in the car I've got to go somewhere and I rarely know where
we're going sometimes it's somewhere good sometimes it's not but this time he was going
to go and show me somebody's car because they'd gotten drunk and locked themselves out of
their car and so he got like three bucks for it he was like give me five they're like no
we only got three it's like four like give you three now one tomorrow you know so just
like listening to them hustle and like go back and forth and negotiate all this stuff
it's just amazing to me that's him leaving his brother's house.
This is Jabari breaking down a blown and this is the bridge that separates north and south
Greenwood in the Yazzie River. So those are some pictures I've got a little video clip
that I'll show you guys and then I just want to chat with you all about whatever's on your
mind and what you gravitate towards so this is one of those church visits with Reverend
Collins. I shoot a little bit of video but it's usually an afterthought and I'd been
making stills but I was kind of stuck there wasn't much room to move in this in this bedroom
so I set the camera down on a little table next to me turned on the video and you know
it's just like filming their conversation basically not sure what was going on full.
When you get where you get loose and talk to you in the dead body and you know I mean
this was all his week last night and it came to me I never lost my job. I never lost my
job. I never lost my baby and I'm gonna keep on holding on like I'm still sleeping in bed
and I never lost my job but I kept talking to the Lord but I couldn't talk to him. I
was so sick I couldn't get into it but when she did that I was prayed all night and got
up this morning praying at all. I got about five o'clock and got back to my bed and I
put my baby loose and he put down his arm and got back in the bed and feel good so when
you come and say you've got no way out I've got to get another bed so I put some clothes
on. So here he is. I never lost my job thank God. I never lost my baby and I'm gonna keep
on holding on to it. I never lost my baby and I'm gonna keep on holding on to it.
