What are basically the questions, the scientific questions you want to answer in your life?
Yeah.
The most interesting questions for you?
Well, I've definitely solved the problem about the fluids in exercise.
So that's kind of, I've laid that to rest.
Yeah, so it was 31 years and the book's written.
And in fact the book is only half what I actually wrote.
It was another half that had to be left out.
I was astonished how you can write such big books.
That's right.
So amazing.
I know, me too.
So the next one then is going to be the central governor.
I will eventually write a book about the central governor
and bring it right up to date and make it practical.
And so that for future generations they'll know what was the traditional ideas
and what are the new ideas.
But now I've definitely got involved in nutrition.
And I think from the last two years I've learnt that 80 to 90% of all illnesses are nutritionally based.
And if you told me that two years ago I said that you're mad.
You're lunatic to suggest that.
And I know that that's not the case.
And so what I've learnt is that on nutrition is so bad
that it helps not to compare this person who doesn't have a disease to that person who has a disease.
Because the nutrition is so bad anyway.
You have to look at the populations who were traditional populations eating their traditional diets.
And they didn't have all these diseases that we had.
They just weren't described.
And you have diseases in South Africa which gives you different possibilities to look at these traditional ways
like pushmen or other tribes who have still got their...
Well, you're quite right. We don't have too many of those populations around us.
But the converse is we have seen the change from the traditional diet to the urban diet
in the last 60 or 70 years and the effects have been catastrophic.
So you can see the consequences of that dietary change.
They're around us all the time.
And how are you working that part of this thing in nutrition?
Because it's a very... I mean, where's the frame of reference?
It's very simple.
The first question is why do not all creatures on the earth eat the same food?
That's the question. Or you could converse, you say, why do all mammals on earth not eat the same foods?
And for example, a lion or a giraffe.
A giraffe has the same bodily structure as myself.
I mean, that's all right. It has the same basic organs.
But it eats a totally different food. It just eats acacia plants.
How can it survive on acacia plants, the leaves, when we have to eat all this other food?
And the answer is you co-evolve with the food.
And that's the key. And say, if you want to know what you should feed your dog,
or your cat, or the lion, or the co-other bear, or the leopard,
you just see what does it co-evolve with?
And then you know.
And so then you have to look back to yourself.
So my family are from the north of England.
15,000 years ago, England was like Greenland.
They weren't growing vegetables and rice and cereals.
We were eating mammoths.
And that's what we were eating. High fat, high protein.
So I have to think that my genes make me much more likely to succeed
on a diet that's very high in fat and very high in protein
and relatively spared in carbohydrates.
And it turns out that the majority of humans, I like that.
I'm sure in Asia you can probably get away with a bit more.
A bit more carbohydrate, more cereals and grains.
But that's a recent adaptation for the rest of us.
You don't want to have too much carbohydrate.
Timelines.
Because I think we always look too short.
Timelines.
What is your time span?
You're looking at me talking about centuries, decades,
hundred thousand years, because humans create cold walls.
This is a complicated opinion.
But it's slow.
Yeah.
Well, as the one group said that, he said,
I don't care if tomorrow the paper comes out in the New England Journal of Medicine
saying that eating fent is bad for you.
He said, because that is an experiment that went for six months,
the human is 2.5 million years we've had this experiment going on.
And that's the one side.
So that is the perfect experiment.
And if you understand that experiment, then you know what the results are.
So the basic problem in nutrition is that there's not a cohesive philosophy
or accepted hypothesis.
In every other discipline, in medicine, we accept the organism.
And that thing gives us the basis for everything we do, including genetics.
And in geology, it's the intercontinental shift drift,
which is accepted by everyone.
They don't debate that.
And the base of geology is that.
And in nutrition, it has to be that all creatures co-volve in the environment
with the food that they're currently eating.
But this is so engraved into our view that nature got externalized.
There's the human creature, there is nature.
And we forgot about being apart.
And this is a special Western traditional tradition.
I think it makes it very difficult to open the minds.
Because I think nutrition is, as you were talking about,
the same applies to appetite.
But if we are completely messed up creatures,
dysregulated, I mean, if we look at the appetite regulation, how complex this is,
so this is a very, very interesting topic.
And what are your first, how is your experimental setup to tackle this?
So you absolutely correct.
So if I go to the game parks in South Africa and look at the animals there,
I don't see any fat animals.
I also do not see any dietitians, nor do I see any exiles physiologists.
So how do they get it right?
And the answer is, when a lion kills an enormous buffalo, it eats it.
It doesn't need to be told, okay, you must eat for another three weeks or three days, whatever.
Three days later, it awakes from its slumber,
and it discovers the stomach's a little bit empty,
and it says, gee, it's time to go and hunt again.
And then it'll look, whatever it catches, it catches.
And if it's a small ant, a small ant's leg, it'll eat the next day.
And so its appetite is perfectly regulated.
And what's happening to humans is that our appetite has been hijacked by addictive foods.
That's the key.
How do you call it?
Addictive foods.
So the food industry produces addictive foods that you can't avoid and you have to eat them.
And so what I see appetite today is an addiction.
It's got nothing to do with biology.
And only by removing all these processed foods, highly addictive processed foods,
do you finally learn what hunger really is.
And hunger is something that sort of is a very gentle sensation,
which comes along every 12 to 24 hours.
Yeah, just like that.
Disappears.
Exactly.
It's not this, I must get food like I must get alcohol or I must get cigarettes.
It's a type of, so that's an addiction.
And the whole industry, since 1970, has been driving us to eat addictive foods.
And that's the cause of obesity, so it's very simple.
It's very simple.
But to correct it, you have to change the whole industry.
You know what, it needs a war.
Precisely.
How do you start out?
Well, it's really interesting because, you know, I'm not drawing attention to myself,
but I do have a profile in South Africa.
And ever since I started talking like this, it's become a national talking point.
What should be your diet?
And the concept, I've given people the freedom to eat more fat.
And that's the key breakthrough.
Because people took out the fat and replaced it with carbohydrates
on the basis that the fat's dangerous.
And now people are questioning that, and they're suddenly starting to eat fat again.
And then they're finding they're actually more healthy.
They lose the cravings, and they lose weight, and they feel better.
And it's really interesting because every single person you convert
converts another 10 or 20 people.
It's a completely viral.
And that's what's happening in South Africa at the moment.
