Very interesting is that the first part of the tour includes former Yugoslavia republic.
You started in Croatia, in Bosnia.
This is the way it worked out, no special reason, it's just because now is a good time to do this.
But it's exciting to go to Bosnia because we've never been there before.
I'm sorry Ava obviously has a nice city, but recent histories, not so good, but now it seems.
How was the gig yesterday?
Yeah, very good, very good, very receptive, good atmosphere, yeah, it was very good.
Did you have some local supporting bands?
Yeah, there were two bands, I can't remember the name of them, one of them was kind of like,
I would know how to describe them actually, they were quite strange in some ways, but
strange name or strange name, they were quite good.
Great, tell me about your latest record entitled time waits for noise, no sleep,
it's again a packet of mind-blowing sonic grind chord without any slow parts.
I've just got a few slow parts.
Really?
Yeah.
But really, really...
Yeah, I'm not really, really slow, but it's napalm death, what do you want?
Yes, I heard that bone track on a special occasion lately.
You mean that slow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's obviously a slow one.
But it's still rhythmic.
Yeah, it is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tell me, I noticed that your vocal is getting more brutal and heavy on every record.
Yeah, you know what, man, it's nothing really that intentional.
Maybe it's the method of how I sing, because instead of using them fancy studio mics,
you know, they're really expensive, I'll just use a regular mic that I would use for live
and you get a better result, you know, so I'm not, I always, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's more rough, perhaps that adds to it.
But you know, I just always, ever since I started, I've always tried to sing as aggressively as
possible, you know, in the parts that are ultra aggressive, you know, and I guess it's just the
way it turns out, you know, maybe the vocals have a slightly different sound in the last two,
three albums, because I've also brought back a lot of the influences like,
like mid-80s hardcore and stuff, you know, I try to do some of that, which I really like.
And that actually gives it an extra edge, you know, a better edge than just standard growling,
you know, it's better, better gives it better, more, more feel to it, you know, so that's,
that's quite good.
What are you, your lyrics about on this record, some new themes?
Yeah, well, there's quite a very simple general thing, really.
An explained title?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's about, I think there's a, there's a, there's a human conditioning that's taken part,
probably since the 19th century, you could say, where people have this thing where,
and I include myself in this, that you're very conditioned to keep working, you know,
to always work, work, work, work, work for a number of reasons.
I mean, some people do it just for money and status and stuff like that.
But personally, I don't, but some people do, you know, I do just because I've been,
I've got this thing in me that I should always be doing something always,
always, all the time, all the time and never take time for myself really.
And I think, I think actually it's really important that you do take time for yourself
to sit and expand your mind and, you know, enjoy things around you that
ordinarily you might take for granted, you know, like very, like, for example, sitting in a park,
you know, and just watching the world go by, like the natural world, not even the humans.
Enjoy the environment.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Just sit there and, and, and take it all in, you know, I think it's very important because
if you, if you don't have an understanding of that side of things, then how can you ever hope
to understand the more complex things in life, you know, I think, and many people, I think,
end up working so, working themselves into the ground for such a huge percentage of their lives
that they come to where potentially they've only got a few years left and they think,
what did I do in my life?
What did I do for myself?
And the answer is probably not very much, you know, so.
Yeah, that's true.
So I think it's important, you know, I mean, I, I live a very simple life.
I try and appreciate the simple things, but I've still got quite a way to go myself, you know,
so, so, but I'm getting there slowly.
You released last, previous records, smart, smart campaign more than two years ago.
You took a longer period between this new record and smart campaign dance period
between code and smear.
Nothing intentional.
It just between code and smear, we just felt motivated at that point to do another album.
We felt as if it was the right time.
We felt that we had the, the songs and the motivation and therefore we did it.
This time we took a little bit longer just, just because, you know, it's the way it turned out.
So this new 60 new tracks is not the result of just a long break.
No, no, no, actually, because
you did a really long record.
Yeah, it is pretty long actually.
Yeah, yeah, but it's 50 minutes, I think.
And more with that bonus track.
Oh yeah, but the, I always kind of discount the bonus tracks because you could have,
you could have 10 bonus tracks, you know.
Why, why bonus tracks?
Well, because especially in this day and age,
you know, if we can put like extra stuff on the album,
it's going to make people buy the record rather than just download it like otherwise, you know.
So we need, we need to sell records, you know, if we don't sell records,
it's basically those initial sales are to make money for the record label.
So they can do stuff for us, you know.
If we don't get that, then we, then in turn, we don't get the support back.
And when we need that, otherwise we can't.
We probably sell most of the records on the concerts.
We have sold quite a few actually, so far, and it's only been out a few days.
Unfortunately, we don't, we've run out, you know, it's just everyone's sporting.
You are working with your producer, Russell, now since Enemy Music Business,
or actually from...
Yeah, Russ was, well actually Russ was an assistant on those early, he wasn't the sole producer.
Simon Effamy was also involved, correct, yeah.
Yeah, we just thought, you know what, actually, when you have two producers,
it costs twice as much as one producer.
And you know, with all due respect to Simon, we thought Russ could do a really good job.
Obviously, we hadn't tried him as a producer entirely,
but we thought he could do a really good job, so we decided to get Russ to do it, you know,
and the results speak for himself.
You are probably satisfied, because this is your fourth record?
Yeah, Russ is great at interpreting, and knowing how Napalm should sound.
You know, for me personally, I couldn't produce a record to save my life, you know,
but I do know a good producer when I hear one, or a suitable producer,
because I think a lot of producers wouldn't be able to do Napalm purely because
they don't understand about working with so much distortion, you know,
and they wouldn't be able to make a good sound out of it, you know, but Russ knows how to do that.
You use maximum distortion?
Yeah, of course, well, you've got it.
Like Jell of Biafra said on that song?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, before that.
Maximum distortion.
This is not the first time that you have won a producer for a longer period.
I can remember calling Richardson.
Yeah, we had calling.
He raised Aaron.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that was a difficult time, you know, it was just more difficult than the other way things were,
but now we're on a roll, and you know,
you kind of, there's a saying in English called, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, you know.
So, you know, although that's not a statement that says, well, we'll just play it safe,
you know, that's actually a statement that we know that Russ can deliver albums that move forward,
you know, still have the really crazy production, but also have something fresh to him, you know,
at the same time.
It's a bit digital production, isn't it?
You think so?
Yeah.
The new Napalm album?
Yes, last three, maybe.
You know what?
This Order of the Leech.
You know what?
If you speak to 10 different people, they'll give you 10 different answers.
I don't think it's an overly digital production, me personally.
If you, I mean, the sort of levels of distortion and noise that Napalm is,
if that's an overly digital production, I don't know what people want, you know, but
yeah, it's, I don't think it is, but you know, everyone's got their own perspective.
That's right.
You're playing this lineup since Utopia banished, okay?
No, it's an army stuff.
You reduced in harmony corruption?
Yeah, I started on harmony.
Different drummer?
Yeah, yeah, different slaps, like, yeah.
Okay, you were, you had two guitarists when Jesse, you don't have a,
why didn't you hire second guitarist?
Just because, just because we felt that it could, we could do it as a four piece.
And we, we had experience of that because Jesse actually sort of disappeared for a while
on tour, I think it was all before a tour when we were supposed, when he was supposed to be with us.
So we kind of had to get used very quickly to having to being a four piece and it just worked.
So we decided to carry on with it, you know.
And then actually the last record with Jesse was anime music business.
You know, I can't even remember.
Yeah, he didn't plan order a leech.
No, he didn't plan order a leech, no.
He disappeared.
He disappeared.
Yeah, just made sure, yeah.
Yeah, he literally disappeared into Apophis, no, pretty much.
What can you tell me about track list for this tour?
Are you going to be concentrate only on this new era or will you surprise us with some classic songs?
Maybe that's diatribes.
We do make sure of everything, man, actually.
It's, it's, of course.
You didn't play much of that song from last concert.
Songs are on diatribes, I can't even remember.
Um, play great.
Maybe you played Breed to Breath.
Breed to Breath, yeah.
It's on fucking diatribes.
Is it?
Yes.
I don't even can't even remember what song diatribes meant to be on this tour.
Diatribes.
What's on that album that you used to play?
Great killing.
Great killing, no, great killing.
Yeah, we haven't, we haven't done.
The one you came to, man.
Yeah, we haven't done Great Killing for a while, so yeah.
I mean, there is some stuff running around that era, but you know, the more albums you make, obviously.
Yeah, it's difficult.
It's more difficult, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we do, we do a good mix of everything, man.
Of new records.
Well, we do five at the moment because the albums really new and like people still
obviously don't really know it that much.
So I think fives are not released last week.
Two days ago, pretty much.
So give it a give it a few more weeks, a couple of months a month or so,
and we will play more songs, I'm sure.
You know, but for now, I think fives are enough.
We played the whole album last week.
Yeah, we played the whole album last week.
Really, some special.
Yeah, we did it in a in a hometown, you know.
Tell me, Shane and Danny recorded second record with Venomous Concept.
What about you and Mitch, are you involved in any other?
Mitch, I don't know what he's doing.
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I've been working on something for about three or four years.
I have lots of songs left over, but it's just a case.
I have no time.
My project right now is teaching and production.
So you're preparing a song for Meat Hook 6?
No, no, it's limiting.
No, something new, something new, a different name, different people.
We'll see.
It'll probably be two years before anyone hears anything, you know.
Right now is a difficult time for a label to show interest in a project.
You know, there's record sales, the industry is shit right now.
So you just, if you can do it yourself, then it's doable.
Then you find a label to put it out.
Right now, I'm so busy with children and family and stuff.
And the band, it's like, it's not that important.
It'll still be good in two years.
Name from that is the main occupation.
I was so busy between that and family and other stuff.
It's like, yeah, I prioritized my time.
Family right now.
You're probably familiar with the current music scene.
What's your favorite band?
You mean the...
Well, probably two bands.
Trap, then.
Trap, then.
Yeah, I think I fucking...
They play in Slovenia a few months.
You know, yeah, I mean, them and just some...
Some great...
The stuff that people are calling Power Violence,
which is quite a silly name, really, because...
They kind of made...
They kind of made Post Rocks, I understand.
They kind of made another name when they didn't need to.
It's just fast hardcore, you know.
There's a few bands out there that are really good,
that are really aggressive, that I think are really good.
But I... On the metal side, things not so much, you know.
I really got...
I really got just oversaturated with albums that all sound too metronomic and too...
Too, you know.
Yeah, that's the coolest moment.
Yeah, I mean, it's...
No organic...
Yeah, no organic filter.
You know, not to be...
With all due respect, people could do whatever they want to do.
That's entirely up to them, you know.
But it doesn't excite me.
I mean, for Death Metal itself,
the best stuff was really in the 80s, you know.
80s to the 90s was the best.
Because it was raw, organic, had raw filter.
So, for the end of interview, what can we expect tonight?
Some powerful gig...
Yeah, just hit the go button.
Energy.
Hit the go button, you know.
Probably a bit tired from this.
I've been tired, I'm...
Trust me.
Well, I wouldn't say that I ever get used to these trips,
but after you've done a few, you're like,
OK, I know I'm going to be fucking tired tomorrow,
so I better get used to it.
OK, thank you very much, bud.
Yeah, all right, man, no worries.
