I hadn't seen Gino actually on the physically in-person on FAA, haven't seen it till yesterday.
What do you think of Black Label?
It comes to mind that it's always Black Label at home. I feel like that's where I've been most showed up when you were there.
You were on Black Label before me, right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
I don't think so. I feel like you were. I feel like you were on Black Label before me. I don't think I was on Black Label yet. I think that...
So who were you on before?
Black Label.
Like Kassai or something?
That was my very first sponsor was Lester Kassai. But anyway, I was like 13 years old and I saw a VHS tape that Gino had sent.
Gino and Keenan and Huff and them used to make these tapes that I'm skating.
And then watching that, and then really quickly after that, Gino came to Harmington Beach.
And when he would stay with John, I would let go and stay at John's house the whole time.
That Gene be in town and yeah, he'd come out with his friend John Buscemi and we'd all skate together and go up to L.A. and film and all this and that.
In 93 we got on 101. Because we got on 101. Remember when we got on? That's when they all quit. That's when everybody quit.
But the funny thing is you think about the guys that were doing a pro thing before us and we were like amateurs.
We were just younger kids skating, watching videos, looking up to dudes that were not that...
At least for me, looking up to dudes that weren't that much older than me. They were just in the videos before me.
And they were in a... Their skateboarding has come a long way now where the pro skate is lasting longer.
It's staying out there longer. And these guys now are like, they retired. They stopped skating when they were in their mid-20s.
I know, like dressing.
Hensley or something.
Yeah, like Hensley was like, was like stopped.
He was probably like fucking 25.
Yeah, he was probably like, guys, now we're in that prime. When I even reached that prime at 25, you know, so it's like...
No, I feel like 27. He's like, that's when you're like really, like, you've done it and you're really still doing it.
We're the first outside of Lance Mountain and you're Tony Hawk, so whatever.
Which is not many of those dudes from what we started skating who were pro.
And now there's people like Guy and Mark Johnson and the Gino myself.
You know, we're still doing it and no one else I suppose has done it this long.
Well, Mark is all, Mark's like 46, but Mark's his own entity.
We're lucky. I think me and Jane are lucky. I think that we've gotten to see all of this and we've got to be part of all of this
and see what it's turned into through the ups and downs.
It hasn't always been like, you know, for the both of us, it hasn't been easy.
It's like there's been times when it's been really rough, either due to our own fault in our own lives
or due to losing people and being in stagnant periods where the skateboarding sucks.
I can't keep up.
It's crazy dude. It's sad.
It is. It's so sad.
I think it's by like, imagine like, you know, look at, we've skated for our whole lives.
And then look at the movie industry. Like say you're told like, Mark's where I say it's like the death of Phil.
I don't say it's sad not to like, you know, you know, whatever I can't take on progression of life and how things just turn out and evolve.
But I just feel bad because I know how great we had it growing up.
And when a video came out, everybody knew about it, anticipated it, watched it, absorbed it.
Like wanted to learn what was going on in that video, wanted to progress from that video, put their own spin on what was going on.
But now like, it's like, anyone will tell you if you see footage, you see it and it goes in one, it goes in your head and out your head.
It's like in one second and you don't really, I don't even know if it's appreciated.
You're just not even capable of appreciating it because there's so much.
When we watched the Tim Henry video in 1992, it was like, they were like, it was like,
it was like Henry Sanders was in the future already.
And we had to like, catch up.
I liked that, but I had to make video parts in his shadow, which sucked.
I mean, it's funny that you faked that way because I was, the way I always looked at his Jason skating was that he was ahead of me or he was like a barb or, you know.
That's insane.
That's totally insane.
Well, I would just see what you would do when I'm just like, oh my God, I have to keep up.
And I don't want to look lame and I want to be cool and I want to be accepted.
I don't want to be, yeah.
I think it's good right now.
I like what it is right now.
Yeah, I wish, you know, I wish kids like, hung pictures on their walls or their favorite pros and shit like that.
I suppose there probably is kids that do that.
You know, that's cool.
Yeah, just this new age of internet.
